June 27, 2017, 12:28:22 AM

Poll

Are we going to make it into Europe? New poll x 2.

Yes we'll make it to the Champions league.
4 (5.8%)
Yes we'll make it to the Uefa places. Top 6
14 (20.3%)
No we won 't make Europe
2 (2.9%)
We'll finish in seventh and go through in the league cup place.
48 (69.6%)
Would rather give Europe a miss this season.
1 (1.4%)

Total Members Voted: 69

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February 20, 2017, 06:59:40 PM
Reply #60
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Mayor Farnum


Going to win the EL is a real long-shot with an squad inexperienced in Europe. So a run to say the last-16 is more likely but then only coming about 11th in the Prem is also...

For me its better no EL and go for a Top 4 next season.

How do we get experience in Europe? A good run in the EL is much more likely than getting into the top four any time soon.


February 20, 2017, 07:36:40 PM
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Lxxx


Going to win the EL is a real long-shot with an squad inexperienced in Europe. So a run to say the last-16 is more likely but then only coming about 11th in the Prem is also...

For me its better no EL and go for a Top 4 next season.

So we finish 8th then and don't get in the Europa league, we're all set for a stab at the top 4 next year. We have a good go but ultimately finish 6th as there are teams above us with bigger budgets and squads, hence qualifying for the Europa League, which we don't want as we want to have a stab at the top 4 next year......

Your reasoning makes no sense. Ask a Sevilla fan what they think.

We should play to the best of our ability in every competition we're in, as many as possible, until we win some silverware and start to progress from a plucky 'best of the rest' to where Tottenham are aspiring to now, to be genuinely thought of as part of the elite clubs first in this country and then Europe.

February 20, 2017, 08:13:27 PM
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van der Meyde


Taking aside the fact that you're an absolute divvy if you don't think getting into Europe every season should be our aim and that being in Europe is a very, very good thing...

Last season, Tottenham earned 20m in TV money just by getting to the last 32 of the Europa while Liverpool earned almost 40m for reaching the final. That's besides the increased gate receipts and the added commercial value that comes from sponsorship deals.

Personally tend to think that Everton earning more money year on year is probably a good thing, to be honest.
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February 20, 2017, 08:16:40 PM
Reply #63
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Escla

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Taking aside the fact that you're an absolute divvy if you don't think getting into Europe every season should be our aim and that being in Europe is a very, very good thing...

Last season, Tottenham earned 20m in TV money just by getting to the last 32 of the Europa while Liverpool earned almost 40m for reaching the final. That's besides the increased gate receipts and the added commercial value that comes from sponsorship deals.

Personally tend to think that Everton earning more money year on year is probably a good thing, to be honest.

Not sure we made a penny two years ago ?

February 20, 2017, 08:18:46 PM
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Everton Mint


So we finish 8th then and don't get in the Europa league, we're all set for a stab at the top 4 next year. We have a good go but ultimately finish 6th as there are teams above us with bigger budgets and squads, hence qualifying for the Europa League, which we don't want as we want to have a stab at the top 4 next year......

Your reasoning makes no sense. Ask a Sevilla fan what they think.

We should play to the best of our ability in every competition we're in, as many as possible, until we win some silverware and start to progress from a plucky 'best of the rest' to where Tottenham are aspiring to now, to be genuinely thought of as part of the elite clubs first in this country and then Europe.

No, what you're forgetting is our 'team in transition' situation.  As soon as we make a little progress you want us to jump straight into European competition, even thought we have barely established ourselves in the PL top echelons.

We have been here before under Moyes and Martinez and saw what happened. I dont want that again. I want a really solid base first and squad that is ready to compete on all fronts.

And Sevilla is the kind of tough team we would be up against and I really dont think we are ready. Yet.

February 20, 2017, 08:35:57 PM
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pjk


No, what you're forgetting is our 'team in transition' situation.  As soon as we make a little progress you want us to jump straight into European competition, even thought we have barely established ourselves in the PL top echelons.

We have been here before under Moyes and Martinez and saw what happened. I dont want that again. I want a really solid base first and squad that is ready to compete on all fronts.

And Sevilla is the kind of tough team we would be up against and I really dont think we are ready. Yet.


Without European football it will usually have a knock on effect where players will sign for teams in european competition elsewhere, as opposed to us. That's always been a distinct negative where it comes to signing for efc. If there was any truth in Gabbiadini and Perez signing for us, it may well have been an important factor that they preferred Southampton and Arsenal. It's something that needs to be factored into the transfer market.



Good to see a couple of voters think we can make the Champions League in the Poll. ;D
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February 20, 2017, 08:42:49 PM
Reply #66
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Lxxx


No, what you're forgetting is our 'team in transition' situation.  As soon as we make a little progress you want us to jump straight into European competition, even thought we have barely established ourselves in the PL top echelons.

We have been here before under Moyes and Martinez and saw what happened. I dont want that again. I want a really solid base first and squad that is ready to compete on all fronts.

And Sevilla is the kind of tough team we would be up against and I really dont think we are ready. Yet.

You can't decide to live in some arbitrary stage in the future when circumstances look rosier. Koeman stated the target this season was 7th and hopefully a place in Europe and we look on track to achieve that. Next season it might be a trophy and we'd be in four competitions to have a good crack at that.

Most teams could lay a claim to being 'in transition' of some description. Chelsea, Man U and Man City could this season but you won't hear those fans complaining of over-achieving.
Arsenal will probably fit that description next season. Our leading goalscorer might decide he's off if a big money bid comes in in the summer leaving us having to rebuild. Our manager might depart to sunnier climes if Barca decide to ask him to interview....

You've just got to try and over-achieve in the present, make contingency plans for different eventualities and the future takes care of itself.

February 20, 2017, 10:49:44 PM
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van der Meyde


Not sure we made a penny two years ago ?
We made 7.5m two years ago, but there was a change in European broadcasting distribution that came into play last season to put more money into the Europa. 👍
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February 20, 2017, 10:58:02 PM
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Everton Mint


You can't decide to live in some arbitrary stage in the future when circumstances look rosier. Koeman stated the target this season was 7th and hopefully a place in Europe and we look on track to achieve that. Next season it might be a trophy and we'd be in four competitions to have a good crack at that.

Most teams could lay a claim to being 'in transition' of some description. Chelsea, Man U and Man City could this season but you won't hear those fans complaining of over-achieving.
Arsenal will probably fit that description next season. Our leading goalscorer might decide he's off if a big money bid comes in in the summer leaving us having to rebuild. Our manager might depart to sunnier climes if Barca decide to ask him to interview....

You've just got to try and over-achieve in the present, make contingency plans for different eventualities and the future takes care of itself.

We'll see what happens but I'm just basing my opinion on the established stats (EL = PL drop) and EFC past-experience...

Maybe if we do qualify it will attract better players and get Moshiri to spend more.  It will be a big ask though to compete on 4 fronts with a new team still being fully-established.

February 20, 2017, 11:02:23 PM
Reply #69
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Major Clanger


We'll see what happens but I'm just basing my opinion on the established stats (EL = PL drop) and EFC past-experience...

The "established" EL=PL drop stat sounds very convincing until you realise it's complete bollocks.
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February 20, 2017, 11:34:10 PM
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Escla

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We made 7.5m two years ago, but there was a change in European broadcasting distribution that came into play last season to put more money into the Europa. 👍

Was that profit or turnover, I seem to remember Bill saying something like unless you get into the last 8 or so the costs eat up the gate receipts etc.

February 20, 2017, 11:41:23 PM
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Ridge


I think we could certainly get back in the mix for Champions League from a mathematical perspective.

We've got to play the 4 teams directly above us, away from home. Win most of those and the gaps are lot more reasonable.

February 20, 2017, 11:48:39 PM
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Confucius

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I think we could certainly get back in the mix for Champions League from a mathematical perspective.

We've got to play the 4 teams directly above us, away from home. Win most of those and the gaps are lot more reasonable.

thats how I like to think.

Also love European games. Just awesome seeing different things and football on a Thursday. Shogun giving up halfway through the season with matchday threads etc etc. getting into Europe will mean a bust Summer, lots of transfers etc. Can't wait.
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February 21, 2017, 12:36:55 AM
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blueski


well for once we have an owner who has the funds to grow our squad size as needed and a decent raft of young players as well so I think we'd do better in multiple competitions than in the past

also our central midfield depth is better than its been in ages and thats really the part of the squad that struggled to deal with Thurdsay/Saturday weeks
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February 21, 2017, 01:32:34 AM
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van der Meyde


Was that profit or turnover, I seem to remember Bill saying something like unless you get into the last 8 or so the costs eat up the gate receipts etc.
From memory, I think generally what they did was priced tickets so that the match costs were covered by ticket prices, so they won't have made money on the gate receipts but will have based on clauses with Chang/Kitbag and broadcasting money.

It's become a lot more worthwhile financially over the last few years.
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