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Title: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Everton News on September 29, 2017, 11:03:31 PM
Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy

Everton's Dutch international Davy Klaassen says he needs to improve his game and admits he has struggled to adapt to the Premier League so far.

Source: Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/09/klaassen-adapting-english-game-not-easy/)
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Realist on September 30, 2017, 01:22:26 AM
We know Davy, in your defence the jump from the Dutch league to the prem is similar to going from Sunday league to the prem
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on September 30, 2017, 01:33:37 AM
I am encouraged by his statement. Although players from other countries might say they know about the premier league and what it is like, most if not all do not know until they play in it. A very few will start like a house on fire, but they are the great players. The Shite had one until he bit one player too many. Others adapt and eventually catch up, others fall by the wayside. I really hope Klassen will catch on, if not this season, then next. Koeman knows what the Dutch league consists of. It has happened this way because of other crucial failings in recruitment, and Klassen is consequently in at the deep end up to his neck and struggling; maybe 6 months too early for him.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Martip on September 30, 2017, 01:43:37 AM
Less talk more goals please davey
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on October 17, 2017, 04:41:14 PM
Decent article

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11084471/davy-klaassen-at-everton-where-has-it-all-gone-wrong
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ally2 on October 17, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
I don't know why but I have zero doubt that Klaasen and Sandro are both going to be top drawer for us. It's impossible to come to any conclusions at this stage so some patience is required.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 17, 2017, 05:14:37 PM
Another one who is being played out of position. He's not a Number !0 - he's a box to box midfielder.

Not been impressed at all by him so far, but it took Bergkamp a long time to settle, and plenty of others... so not actually that worried about him. Could def still come good.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
We know Davy, in your defence the jump from the Dutch league to the prem is similar to going from Sunday league to the prem

Bit of an over exaggeration there mate don't you think.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lazarou on October 17, 2017, 06:13:41 PM
No point buying a player who has done well in a specific position/role then not playing him in that position/role. It's just shit management all round not just for him but many of the players.

DCL was wide left on Sunday ffs, it's just bad management.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on October 17, 2017, 06:39:56 PM
Less talk more goals please davey

Are you motivational speaker?
Another one who is being played out of position. He's not a Number !0 - he's a box to box midfielder.

Not been impressed at all by him so far, but it took Bergkamp a long time to settle, and plenty of others... so not actually that worried about him. Could def still come good.

Bingo! Play him alongside MS or IGG, not both together.

Another tactical failing from our Master Technician.

Also, isn't it worth giving Sandro a shot on the left of a 3 man attack, with Lookman/Vlasic or Mirallas on the right?

Argh, getting wound up here. Bloody Koeman.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 17, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
I don't know why but I have zero doubt that Klaasen and Sandro are both going to be top drawer for us. It's impossible to come to any conclusions at this stage so some patience is required.
I agree, i dont understand why they're not in the U23 team. give them some game time/confidence and experience in england,
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 17, 2017, 06:47:50 PM
I agree, i dont understand why they're not in the U23 team. give them some game time/confidence and experience in england,

Are you for real?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 17, 2017, 06:49:45 PM
Are you for real?

as opposed to what? sticking him the first team while he has no confidence, he hasnt got to terms with the pace.. he needs to adapt.. what better way than in a situation where the pressure if off him?

are you for real?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on October 17, 2017, 06:57:46 PM
Another one who is being played out of position. He's not a Number !0 - he's a box to box midfielder.

Not been impressed at all by him so far, but it took Bergkamp a long time to settle, and plenty of others... so not actually that worried about him. Could def still come good.

Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?

I agree he hasnt looked great so far but it was too much too soon I think, Im not confident that he will get the chance to come good if im honest, the Premiership waits for no man and its about taking your chances and hes slipping further down the pecking order.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on October 17, 2017, 07:09:13 PM
Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?

I agree he hasnt looked great so far but it was too much too soon I think, Im not confident that he will get the chance to come good if im honest, the Premiership waits for no man and its about taking your chances and hes slipping further down the pecking order.

No, he was a midfielder for Ajax.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on October 17, 2017, 07:12:02 PM
Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?

I agree he hasnt looked great so far but it was too much too soon I think, Im not confident that he will get the chance to come good if im honest, the Premiership waits for no man and its about taking your chances and hes slipping further down the pecking order.

I believe he played as like a...quiet 8.

He had Dolberg CF and I think maybe Ziyech as a 10 or at least drifted in.

Typically didn't touch the ball a great deal, similar story for holland, but he does pop in and apply a finishing touch or get an assist.

Basically think of gueyes goal, he was like that from what I've heard. Very busy off the ball, harassing and tackling. Doesn't run the game but puts up very good numbers in and around the box.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: van der Meyde on October 17, 2017, 07:19:39 PM
Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?
He was a bit of a jack of all trades at Ajax. Not many people who watched him over the last couple of years would have described him as a creative player/playmaker though.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 17, 2017, 07:21:00 PM
Also, isn't it worth giving Sandro a shot on the left of a 3 man attack, with Lookman/Vlasic or Mirallas on the right?

Funnily enough I was thinking exactly that when I ate my lunch just now.

Going a bit off topic here, but I don't like Rooney, DCL or Sigurddson being played out wide.  I also don't think Rooney has got the pace to be a number 9 anymore.

So for me - we should be playing DCL or Niasse as the centre forward.

If we are playing 3 upfront we do what you have suggested - ie play wide players in the wide positions.
Or we play one upfront with one of our natural number 10s behind - ie Rooney or Sigurddson .

Then in midfield if we are playing 3, then one of them should be Davies or Klassen as the box to box midfielder. (Or maybe both of them if we really need to go for it ? )
If we are playing 2 in centre midfield, then one of them can do the same job.... or IMO Gana and Morgan could actually work well together as a 2 if the rest of the side is more balanced, like last season.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on October 17, 2017, 08:02:32 PM
Funnily enough I was thinking exactly that when I ate my lunch just now.

Going a bit off topic here, but I don't like Rooney, DCL or Sigurddson being played out wide.  I also don't think Rooney has got the pace to be a number 9 anymore.

So for me - we should be playing DCL or Niasse as the centre forward.

If we are playing 3 upfront we do what you have suggested - ie play wide players in the wide positions.
Or we play one upfront with one of our natural number 10s behind - ie Rooney or Sigurddson .

Then in midfield if we are playing 3, then one of them should be Davies or Klassen as the box to box midfielder. (Or maybe both of them if we really need to go for it ? )
If we are playing 2 in centre midfield, then one of them can do the same job.... or IMO Gana and Morgan could actually work well together as a 2 if the rest of the side is more balanced, like last season.

I agree 100%. It's even more annoying as this is the formation (or a variation of the formation) Koeman used as Southampton. It's all the more galling when you know we do have the players to play that way, yet he won't change it from his slow, narrow formation we stick too now.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 17, 2017, 08:31:26 PM
I agree 100%. It's even more annoying as this is the formation (or a variation of the formation) Koeman used as Southampton. It's all the more galling when you know we do have the players to play that way, yet he won't change it from his slow, narrow formation we stick too now.

I think we do try and play that way but we don't have the players who feel comfortable in those positions. It's either poor recruitment to buy players who don't fit the system or poor management to not play a system to suit the players we have. To try and flog an unworkable system with players who don't look comfortable is just very, very poor management.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 17, 2017, 08:37:40 PM
Clubs like us can't afford top world players so we have to dip into the pool of lesser foreign players and take a chance. That is where the "skills/knowhow" of Walsh is supposed to come into play. The fact that Klassen is currently useless in our present situation, indicates it is a risky business. Klassen given time may turn out to be an adequate squad player and eventually justify most of the big fee paid for him. Ajax like Swansea later, held all the cards and we paid the asking price. Looking around the lower regions of the PL, probably there are many players of Klassen's level who struggle to survive if pitched straight in over their heads. The euphoria on this site when Klassen was signed was probably because coming from a big name like Ajax, he must be good, but sadly he isn't. If the other fella Sandro ever turns into a decent player that would be a major coup for Walsh considering he cost so little.  The jury is still out on both.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 17, 2017, 09:19:43 PM
as opposed to what? sticking him the first team while he has no confidence, he hasnt got to terms with the pace.. he needs to adapt.. what better way than in a situation where the pressure if off him?

are you for real?

Get a player ready for the Premier League by playing him against opponents that are a mixture of kids and players not good enough for their first team.

Laughable shout.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 17, 2017, 09:24:25 PM
The issue he'll have (and it's one that won't be going away anytime soon) is we have too many players in his position. He might well have proven to be a good buy, if we actually needed him. He's battling Davies, Sig, Rooney and now it looks like Vlasic for a place and that's not even taking into account Schneiderlin and Gueye, if he's thought of as being able to play further back.
Needless signing really. £25m that could easily have been put towards a striker.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 17, 2017, 09:45:57 PM
Just got back from Amsterdam, went to Ajax game and they bloody love Klaasen, selling scarves with his face on in the store and everything.

He must be at least half decent.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on October 17, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Clubs like us can't afford top world players so we have to dip into the pool of lesser foreign players and take a chance. That is where the "skills/knowhow" of Walsh is supposed to come into play. The fact that Klassen is currently useless in our present situation, indicates it is a risky business. Klassen given time may turn out to be an adequate squad player and eventually justify most of the big fee paid for him. Ajax like Swansea later, held all the cards and we paid the asking price. Looking around the lower regions of the PL, probably there are many players of Klassen's level who struggle to survive if pitched straight in over their heads. The euphoria on this site when Klassen was signed was probably because coming from a big name like Ajax, he must be good, but sadly he isn't. If the other fella Sandro ever turns into a decent player that would be a major coup for Walsh considering he cost so little.  The jury is still out on both.
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I think the jury, based on comments on here...have debated, returned and sentenced him....

Speaking from experience the difference in styles of play, tempo and even game management between English and not just dutch football is massive..i did it in reverse to klassen and TBH I thought it'd be a doddle going from our fast pace, aggressive style of English football to the more technical slow paced dutch game of the 80's...how wrong I was and for about 6 months I struggled like a C**t even me mates were taking the piss.....couldn't get near the ball for ages and when I got it had so much time and space didn't know what to do with it....then you're closed down quickly and options become limited.....

I think he is good enough to adapt and will come good....and like already mentioned on here the ,managers style and selections are not helping not only him..but other players too...
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 17, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Everyone especially Walsh will hope you are right. His time may come but perhaps not yet.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on October 18, 2017, 01:57:16 AM
Would you class vlasic as a No 10 as well?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 18, 2017, 01:59:57 AM
Would you class vlasic as a No 10 as well?
No
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on October 18, 2017, 02:03:01 AM
Funnily enough I was thinking exactly that when I ate my lunch just now.

Going a bit off topic here, but I don't like Rooney, DCL or Sigurddson being played out wide.  I also don't think Rooney has got the pace to be a number 9 anymore.

So for me - we should be playing DCL or Niasse as the centre forward.

If we are playing 3 upfront we do what you have suggested - ie play wide players in the wide positions.
Or we play one upfront with one of our natural number 10s behind - ie Rooney or Sigurddson .

Then in midfield if we are playing 3, then one of them should be Davies or Klassen as the box to box midfielder. (Or maybe both of them if we really need to go for it ? )
If we are playing 2 in centre midfield, then one of them can do the same job.... or IMO Gana and Morgan could actually work well together as a 2 if the rest of the side is more balanced, like last season.

Yup like it, feel a similar way.

Last time I watched Sandro he was alright as wel and I really warmed to him, then haven't seen him since.

Mad the way bringing Davies into the side last year provided balance and yet this year he's catching splinters.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Realist on October 19, 2017, 11:34:52 PM
Bit of an over exaggeration there mate don't you think.

Nope
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Realist on October 19, 2017, 11:35:18 PM
Are you for real?

Yep
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 12:16:19 AM
Hope he starts tonight
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blue slug on October 20, 2017, 02:04:55 AM
How good was the Dutch league when players like gullitt van basten rykaard bergkamp and kluivert etc played
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueMaquis on October 20, 2017, 02:05:26 AM
Since tonight is not an English game does that mean Klaassen will be good tonight?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on October 20, 2017, 05:21:05 AM
Hard not to think he'll be back at Holland in a year.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:25:16 AM
Thought he was really bad tonight. A couple of 50/50 challenges he shit out of and everyone around me erupted. He was also very sloppy with the ball.

Struggling to see what he offers in this league at the minute. Happy to be proved wrong but looks a bit weak mentally as well as physically.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 20, 2017, 05:25:28 AM
For about 9m if we're lucky
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 05:25:48 AM
Hard not to think he'll be back at Holland in a year.
He won't be the last either
They never seem to fully recover tho that's the sad part
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on October 20, 2017, 05:28:05 AM
He's rather insipid, isn't he.

Ghosts around, not much to him, apart from the odd clever flick from what I've seen.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 05:33:06 AM
Moshiri is loaded so just quietly move Klassen back to Holland at a loss. He will be forgotten in one year.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:34:15 AM
Moshiri is loaded so just quietly move Klassen back to Holland at a loss. He will be forgotten in one year.

What a silly statement.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 05:34:30 AM
Moshiri is loaded so just quietly move Klassen back to Holland at a loss. He will be forgotten in one year.
He isnt tho
He's loaded compared to me
He's fucking skint compared to many owners
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 05:36:02 AM
You must be worse than silly if you think Klassen is worth persevering with. After Koeman goes next week the next manager will bin Klassen toute suite as the Russians say.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: toffee_scot on October 20, 2017, 05:41:43 AM
The fact he was subbed off again in a Europa League tie quite early suggests it will be very difficult for him to find playing time again for Everton especially during this horrendous spell we are going through.

I wouldn't write him off though, there is a good player there but he will need to go out on loan to build his confidence in a league that is sort of half way between Premier League and Eredivisie standard.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 05:44:44 AM
Tranmere?  or if that is too hard maybe Southport. Probably too physical though for his dainty style.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:54:27 AM
Very weak, as a lot of foreign players are in the first six months. Poor signing though. Totally unnecessary.
Title: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: arteta4spain on October 20, 2017, 06:37:09 AM
Wasn't great at all tonight tho I don't think a lot of them were. I don't buy this "he's got good game intelligence and he's ahead of everyone and they're behind his decision making". Absolute bollocks. It does baffle me how a player can be great for one team but be horrific for another. He reminds me of Naismith when he first arrived. Rabbit in headlights etc. But he was often caught out too many times. It was like Lyon were tight to our players from the get go and we couldn't find the space.
He was finding some decent touches towards the end of the first half but he just doesn't seem good enough.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on October 20, 2017, 02:31:03 PM
I still think he will come good; perfect storm of a total loss of confidence alongside a boss who is clueless as to how to set the team up tactically.

Same for Sandro.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Morta75 on October 20, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
Sorry to say it, but Klaassen is not good enough, simple as that. Not premier Leauge quality.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 02:34:00 PM
We don't play him in the right position but he surely has to offer more as a midfielder. He is just a ghost at the moment. Does absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 02:53:32 PM
Was getting shoved off the ball all night. People were saying in Europe he'll show his quality because it's not as physical or fast but he didn't, Lyon were a good team and he offered nothing.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2017, 02:55:54 PM
We don't play him in the right position but he surely has to offer more as a midfielder. He is just a ghost at the moment. Does absolutely nothing.

Ive seen him play centre mid and as a number 10, where is his best position then, on the wing or as a holding midfielder!!? All this were not playing him in his best position holds little water with me, if I played him centre back I would still expect him to be able to pass and not get blown off the ball like a rag doll in the wind, he needs to adapt to the situation hes in and he isnt at the moment.
Better players than Klasseen have failed and transfers are always a gamble, some work, some dont, all the indications are the latter with this one but there is still time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 02:58:15 PM
Can't really defend him after that last night, looks way out of his depth
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 03:08:09 PM
As does Sandro; Keane is not playing like an international (the other two CB's at Burnley look better); Martina is a stop-gap; Sigurdsson is carrying the £45m weight on his shoulders; Pickford and Vlasic justified and first names on the team sheet; Rooney - remember the name
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 03:11:37 PM
Ive seen him play centre mid and as a number 10, where is his best position then, on the wing or as a holding midfielder!!? All this were not playing him in his best position holds little water with me, if I played him centre back I would still expect him to be able to pass and not get blown off the ball like a rag doll in the wind, he needs to adapt to the situation hes in and he isnt at the moment.
Better players than Klasseen have failed and transfers are always a gamble, some work, some dont, all the indications are the latter with this one but there is still time.

I was just pointing out that if you buy a player who has had a good season playing in a particular way which I would have hoped we would have researched then the logical decision would be to play him in that position. To buy him and not really have a role for him is just pointless.

The early season messing around seems to have ruined him already. I was not excusing his ineffective performances far from it, I think even things are not coming off for you, you can still make a impact in other ways especially in midfield.

He looks way out of his depth, physically and mentally.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 20, 2017, 03:12:15 PM
Going to be another Bilyaletdinov I reckon.

Some write him off, others claim he'll come good if played in X position.

The first lot are correct and he gets fucked off in a couple of years time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 20, 2017, 03:29:14 PM
I’m gonna give him a whole season before I write him off completely.

Is there anyone at Ajax we could swap* him for who might actually perform?

*yes swaps are few and far between but......
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 03:33:05 PM
Ajax would be delighted to have him come home and make a fat profit with it. That would not be so bad an outcome. He saves his career and we can stop pretending he is what he clearly isn't. I suspect Koeman wanted him which is a bad sign of his judgement considering he knows Dutch football backwards..
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Koeman has not been afraid to leave Klaassen out or bring him off at half-time

Don't think Koeman's convinced - or that he ever was
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 03:54:02 PM
Koeman was always stressing about how big the jump was from the Dutch league to the Premier League and how you have to be really careful in picking which players will work and which won't.
With Pelle he obviously thought the fact he's a big unit with a good touch would help that transition but with Klaassan nothing he did for Ajax stood out as what we may need. He always looked a player on the fringes of games who would pop up with a goal or an assist after 90 minutes, which is clearly a nice attribute to have but is very reliant on others around you and not your own individual qualities.

He's suffering, as they all are, for playing in a side devoid of structure, confidence and quality throughout.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ross on October 20, 2017, 04:00:33 PM
No point making any judgement calls on him or any of our new signings until we get a proper manager in charge with a concise plan that revolves around modern football methodology.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Rhys on October 20, 2017, 04:05:30 PM
Hard not to think he'll be back at Holland in a year.

Problem is he was Ajax captain and one of their star men, he earned 20k a week. Comes here and gets put on 80k a week it's hard to see any player willing to drop 2-3m a year wages. Kind of situation and could be same with Sandro if he doesnt come good, that City and chelsea got into loads where gave people huge wages compared to their level and have to loan them out for years because people wont pay it and they dont want to take a big drop. Or we pay some of their wages for xxx number of years.

I still believe you'd see more of what he can do and get more from him if you had a good forward that retains possession well and helps with good football around the box because that looks his game sharp passes in tight areas and judging by his record getting in the box to be a goalscoring midfielder. So many times in the Arsenal game last night you had people like Walcott and Wilshere getting involved on the edge of the area with Giroud that we just dont have. But at the same time my problem with him is my problem with Besic, he vanishes for huge spells of games which in centre midfield you cant have.

Gueye isnt great on the ball, Schneiderlin isnt doing the defensive part well and sharpness on the ball lost, and Davies is giving the ball away and getting caught in possession a lot more than he was. But they are always involved, always looking to get on the ball and people criticise if they do things wrong. Too often 10-15 minutes can pass and Klaassen doesnt do anything which just cant do in centre midfield.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ajax_andy on October 20, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
I thought he tried hard last night, once he gave it away a few times his head kind of dropped for a bit but then he was chasing players, getting back, trying to do the dirty side of the game... only thing is that he is at absolute rock bottom with his confidence and Koeman doesn't seem like the kind of manager who helps players out of a slump, he just doesn't have the man management skills... case in point being hauling Klaassen off at half time which will just cripple his confidence further.

While he was trying hard to get back in the game, I can't remember who is was but we had the ball on the right side of the box (just inside it)... probably Vlasic but might have been Holgate... anyway on the replay you see Klaassen take up an unmarked position 18 yards out, centre of the goal, hands outstretched screaming for it... Vlasic or Holgate completely unaware of him and has a shot that's blocked by the defender and goes out for a corner (pretty sure it was Holgate).  So even when he gets in a 'Klaassen' position the other players don't see him.  Holgate pulling it back there and him smashing it in could completely change his confidence levels.

I feel for him, I really do... All my dutch Ajax supporting relatives said he wasn't ready for the PL when we signed him but I really think the manager and our players aren't doing him any favours what so ever.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Martip on October 22, 2017, 02:00:40 AM
Proper low roller this guy....such a waste of air.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 30, 2017, 12:26:06 AM
Not even made the squad for the 2 games Unsworth has had in charge.

Is there an injury or is he still just miles off from being a Premier League player?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Polledreng on October 30, 2017, 12:30:16 AM
Not even made the squad for the 2 games Unsworth has had in charge.

Is there an injury or is he still just miles off from being a Premier League player?
to be fair I Think Unsworth is trying to prove a point with dropping all ourbig money buys exept Pickford and playing the youngsters instead. Without succes if you ask me. Why isn’t our Croatien not in the squad when he clearly was our Best player in Koeman last 3 games. ?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 30, 2017, 12:31:59 AM
to be fair I Think Unsworth is trying to prove a point with dropping all ourbig money buys exept Pickford and playing the youngsters instead. Without succes if you ask me. Why isn’t our Croatien not in the squad when he clearly was our Best player in Koeman last 3 games. ?

Oh yeah, forgot about him actually
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: DanDan on October 30, 2017, 12:33:08 AM
Oh yeah, forgot about him actually

There was talk he got injured in the Arsenal game
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 10, 2017, 02:06:56 PM
There was talk he got injured in the Arsenal game

Wasn't even in the squad for the Dutch game against Scotland, so this might be right.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 10, 2017, 03:56:50 PM
Wasn't even in the squad for the Dutch game against Scotland, so this might be right.

Think they was on about Vlasic mate
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 10, 2017, 04:05:27 PM
Think they was on about Vlasic mate

Why ? This is a Klaassen thread.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ally2 on November 10, 2017, 04:55:48 PM
Yeah he wasn't in the Dutch squad either.

I hate that some have given up on him. I still think he sees and does things others don't. And I hate that his career has suffered here. It reflects badly on us. And all because he doesn't run around a lot.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 10, 2017, 05:35:38 PM
Yeah he wasn't in the Dutch squad either.

I hate that some have given up on him. I still think he sees and does things others don't. And I hate that his career has suffered here. It reflects badly on us. And all because he doesn't run around a lot.

What rubbish, he's struggled because the game here is vastly different to what he is used to. It's nothing to do with the fact he doesn't run around a lot, however the change in what is expected here may be one of the reasons. He's 10 stone wet through and has no attributes that would make the transition easy. He's a luxury player in a free flowing team and that's not us. At the minute. 
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 10, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
Yeah he wasn't in the Dutch squad either.

I hate that some have given up on him. I still think he sees and does things others don't. And I hate that his career has suffered here. It reflects badly on us. And all because he doesn't run around a lot.

What a load of shite.

What have you seen to suggest the reason people don't like him as a player is because he doesn't run around that much?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 06:04:15 PM
What a load of shite.

What have you seen to suggest the reason people don't like him as a player is because he doesn't run around that much?

That article in the Echo I'm guessing because it can't be based of anything he's done since joining us.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 06:04:44 PM
What a load of shite.

What have you seen to suggest the reason people don't like him as a player is because he doesn't run around that much?

Whoops, wrong reply
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 10, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
I'm hoping that he still makes it. He's been a class act in the way he's handled himself and managed a very difficult situation.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 10, 2017, 06:52:54 PM
Why ? This is a Klaassen thread.

Think things move away from the topic at hand from time to time, as it does on most forums. Have a look at the 100+ page Sandro thread. If every post in there was about Sandro then I'm Robert De Niro
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: hill135 on November 10, 2017, 06:57:42 PM
Running around a lot is about the only thing he does do.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 10, 2017, 07:18:16 PM
Running around a lot is about the only thing he does do.

To be fair he doesn't do enough of that to be a help to the team at the minute. Jogging in between players while the ball flies past him doesn't assist us really and when he does get the ball he does a very good James McCarthy impression of not wanting it and gets rid in case he's caught in possession. I get he's low on confidence and he's come into a difficult situation but we shouldn't really be a respecter of reputations at present, if a couple of teenagers offer more in the centre of the park then they should play ahead of him. Sink or swim time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueForYou on November 10, 2017, 07:25:02 PM
180 mins in the Europa League for Davy
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: cantoffee on November 10, 2017, 07:42:29 PM
Players need time to adapt. I'm not sure his attributes are well suited to the league but we should be giving him time to adjust. In a team full of confidence he might be a completely different player.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 08:41:54 PM
I'm not having this "He's 2 steps ahead of the rest of the team".

Think it's absolute bollocks personally.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on November 10, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
I'm not having this "He's 2 steps ahead of the rest of the team".

Think it's absolute bollocks personally.

Who's said this.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 09:32:46 PM
Who's said this.

The Echo and someone a few posts back
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
180 mins in the Europa League for Davy
If Rhino has anything about him he will play Klassen Sandro Vlasic and anyone else who's been pushed out to shoehorn his faves and kids into the squad .
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 10, 2017, 10:40:37 PM
If Rhino has anything about him he will play Klassen Sandro Vlasic and anyone else who's been pushed out to shoehorn his faves and kids into the squad .

Why?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 10:45:59 PM
Why?
They need minutes to and it's a free match ...simple really.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 10, 2017, 10:46:27 PM
If Rhino has anything about him he will play Klassen Sandro Vlasic and anyone else who's been pushed out to shoehorn his faves and kids into the squad .
Rest everyone who played in the pl game before and will play on pl game after and play the rest of them
Squads plenty big enough well, bar a left back
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 10:47:20 PM
Rest everyone who played in the pl game before and will play on pl game after and play the rest of them
Squads plenty big enough well, bar a left back
Exactly Jimmy exactly.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2017, 03:08:52 AM
I'm not having this "He's 2 steps ahead of the rest of the team".

Think it's absolute bollocks personally.

Think it is aswell. When he plays for Holland that’s Ajax he’s the same. I think he’s a good player but he’s supposed to be a really good, bit part player on the pitch who scores goals.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ally2 on November 11, 2017, 04:36:25 AM
He's played what 5 games for us?  OK he's been off the pace but he's clearly a gifted technical player.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 11, 2017, 03:10:46 PM
He's played what 5 games for us?  OK he's been off the pace but he's clearly a gifted technical player.

Haven't seen anything to say he's technically gifted.

If anything he's limited technically and his game seems to be all about arriving in the box and scoring goals
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blue1948 on November 11, 2017, 07:25:19 PM
Haven't seen anything to say he's technically gifted.

If anything he's limited technically and his game seems to be all about arriving in the box and scoring goals
Compared with let's say Oumar ?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 11, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
He's played what 5 games for us?  OK he's been off the pace but he's clearly a gifted technical player.

Not sure what observations these are based on like.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 11, 2017, 08:50:44 PM
Not sure about technically gifted but I think he's a clever footballer. Passes and moves. Links play sees things apparently scores goals. Like a shit frank lampard

What worries me is that while everyone has been shit some have been completely dropped from the 18 while others continue to keep their places. Id like to see him and sandro get more chances now.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 11, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
The hope is we regain some sort of form and can start integrating Klassen and Sandro back into the team. They’re both hard workers but they’ve looked so off the pace no one can complain that they’ve been dropped. The frustrating thing is if we were to sell them, you can guarantee they’d pick up where they left off before they joined us and we’d all be wondering what might have been.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 11, 2017, 10:08:32 PM
Not sure about technically gifted but I think he's a clever footballer. Passes and moves. Links play sees things apparently scores goals. Like a shit frank lampard

What worries me is that while everyone has been shit some have been completely dropped from the 18 while others continue to keep their places. Id like to see him and sandro get more chances now.
I would play both in the remaining meaningless European games along with any other reserves we can put out to lessen the strain on the main squad. Otherwise I would not let either near the present squad, we have enough problems without adding to them. Of course if those two wipe the floor with Atalanta and the Cypriots etc then maybe give them a chance next month.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 11, 2017, 10:38:46 PM
The hope is we regain some sort of form and can start integrating Klassen and Sandro back into the team. They’re both hard workers but they’ve looked so off the pace no one can complain that they’ve been dropped. The frustrating thing is if we were to sell them, you can guarantee they’d pick up where they left off before they joined us and we’d all be wondering what might have been.

I think it's a bit odd that that don't seem to be able to make any of the 18s now. We aren't blessed with great options or many in form players. Why totally exclude them
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 11, 2017, 10:44:43 PM
Why totally exclude them

Because they look even worse than the other options at this moment in time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 11, 2017, 11:05:26 PM
Because they look even worse than the other options at this moment in time.

But surely we'd hope they've room for vast improvement. I can't believe sandro isn't at least as good an option as DCL and niasse if he finds a little form. Just not sure how he can find it when he can't even make a bench now

Same with klassen has he really been that much worse than Sigurdsson. Surely we could give him 20 minutes for Sigurdsson and see if he can play himself into some form.

We are poor. I'd sooner risk these players in worse form who might have higher ceilings
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Shogun on November 11, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
Some good fixtures coming up for him and Sandro in the next month.

Atalanta at home
West Ham at home
Huddersfield at home
Apollo away

There's been plenty of premier league players who took some time to get going.

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 11, 2017, 11:39:28 PM
A new manager might just try them and we may or may not suffer the consequences. It doesn't look good for them but who knows? Different manager different tactics may be the salvation of one of these two if not both.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 11, 2017, 11:58:27 PM
Some good fixtures coming up for him and Sandro in the next month.

Atalanta at home
West Ham at home
Huddersfield at home
Apollo away

There's been plenty of premier league players who took some time to get going.

i'd actually think they would do better getting to grips with the pace of english football by spending sometime in the premier league b setup, once they get confidence/flowing.. bring them back, but you cant expect them to get any sort of confidence or cohesion with players they wont be playing with week in week out,if they both spend around 6 weeks in the reserves their quality should shine through and bring their confidence up a few levels,
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2017, 12:00:27 AM
i'd actually think they would do better getting to grips with the pace of english football by spending sometime in the premier league b setup, once they get confidence/flowing.. bring them back, but you cant expect them to get any sort of confidence or cohesion with players they wont be playing with week in week out,if they both spend around 6 weeks in the reserves their quality should shine through and bring their confidence up a few levels,

It's good for them to get minutes under their belt but I'm not sure U23 footy will do anything more to help them get up to pace of the PL.

Probably a better idea for Sandro than Klaassen. He's got plenty of attributes, he just seems rusty and massively lacking in confidence with the first team.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 12, 2017, 12:02:31 AM
It's good for them to get minutes under their belt but I'm not sure U23 footy will do anything more to help them get up to pace of the PL.

Probably a better idea for Sandro than Klaassen. He's got plenty of attributes, he just seems rusty and massively lacking in confidence with the first team.

He/they should get that confidence playing against weaker opposition, i'm just afraid if we play them in the games you mentioned,, it would knock them back even further ;/

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2017, 10:35:52 PM
Duplicate.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2017, 10:37:37 PM
He/they should get that confidence playing against weaker opposition, i'm just afraid if we play them in the games you mentioned,, it would knock them back even further ;/



Having a kick about with a load of kids in front of 50 people isn't really getting them up to speed with the pace of Premier League football.

If we give them a chance in the first team and they bomb again then so be it. We don't owe them a living, they either get up to speed and prove themselves or they go somewhere else.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 13, 2017, 12:11:08 AM
Having a kick about with a load of kids in front of 50 people isn't really getting them up to speed with the pace of Premier League football.

An improvement on his previous suggestion of getting them up to PL levels by playing them in the U23s indefinitely tbf.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 12:37:08 AM
How was he?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 25, 2017, 12:40:28 AM
How was he?

Shite
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 25, 2017, 12:40:39 AM
How was he?
Not sure he played tbh
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 25, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Never going to make it here in a million years.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 01:08:31 AM
Fuckin hell the poor lad has truly bombed hasn’t he.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Brownie20 on November 25, 2017, 01:16:12 AM
Few nice early passes and put a few tackles in. But the game passed him by after about 30 mins.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 25, 2017, 01:17:31 AM
He was no worse than anyone else tbh and was playing out of position
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: toffee_scot on November 25, 2017, 01:20:00 AM
I had really hoped that he would be a star at Everton but I don't think he's the right player for the club and we need to trim the squad in certain areas, if another club came in with a £20m offer or so I think we would be mad not to accept it.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: bluenuck on November 25, 2017, 01:35:47 AM
I think he's just a good player that has made the wrong move at the wrong time.

He played in a system at Ajax that made every player look even better than they actually were. They were dynamic, moved, short quick passes, made runs, and were well drilled and knew every move every player was going to make.

Then he came here....
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 25, 2017, 01:43:24 AM
I think in a good team he'd shine but he's never gonna get a poor team out the shit. He's got a great touch but needs better players around him...physically he's light but he's a good footballer I reckon
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on November 25, 2017, 01:45:27 AM
Didn't seem to know where he was meant to be playing, either that or he was just trying to impress and ended up here, there and everywhere without actually getting anywhere.

To be fair he did carry Martina around for large parts of the game.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on November 25, 2017, 01:52:51 AM
Can’t believe anyone thought 4-4-2 with a left side of Martina and Klaassen was ever going to be good...
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on November 25, 2017, 01:59:43 AM
I think he's just a good player that has made the wrong move at the wrong time.

He played in a system at Ajax that made every player look even better than they actually were. They were dynamic, moved, short quick passes, made runs, and were well drilled and knew every move every player was going to make.

Then he came here....
One thing we are not is dynamic. Diabolical yes.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on November 25, 2017, 02:00:14 AM
The lad has no chance of shining right now. That's not on him
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 02:02:31 AM
Can’t believe anyone thought 4-4-2 with a left side of Martina and Klaassen was ever going to be good...

Oh my god is that how we lined up?

Is unsworth trying to intentionally not only not get the Everton job but not get any job in the future?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blueToffee on November 25, 2017, 02:03:03 AM
We'll have to wait and see whether a different approach by another manager will help him, given up trying to assess him right now. The problem is for me the only other time I've seen him play was the EL final versus Man Utd and he was anonymous then too. I'd feel a bit more confident had I seen more of him.

I do think he'd be better getting in and around the box though. I do think he can finish.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on November 25, 2017, 02:33:16 AM
Oh my god is that how we lined up?

Is unsworth trying to intentionally not only not get the Everton job but not get any job in the future?

Unsworth disappointing me saying things like lads making his job easier with performances last night. Some of those players have had far less time to impress than players Unsworth and people to that Koeman persist with no matter how shite they play.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 25, 2017, 02:38:04 AM
Yeah, worth pointing out he started on the left.

I reckon in a team that plays how he likes to play he can be a very good player.

Unfortunately he's playing in a team that create two chances a game and one that can't pass the ball so he has no chance.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on November 25, 2017, 02:40:56 AM
Yeah I don’t think his game is based on constant involvement; so if the team is rubbish it’s very hard to build up possession and positions that will enable him to get up around and in the box.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 25, 2017, 02:42:00 AM
He just ain’t very good. If you need to be playing with players who are at the top of their game, against poor opposition and to always be playing with confidence to play your game then you’re no baller.

You’ve got to have some individual attributes to make it at the top level and not have to rely on everyone else around you to shine. Granted no-one has looked decent this season but that’s because the squad is filled with average players and we might just have to accept that to a man this squad is very, very average. Klaassan included.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 25, 2017, 02:42:01 AM
He was made to look a Tit by our selection and the players around him.
He would go press by himself and nobody would go with him so they passed around him. The  he was out of position.

Us being shite and having not arsed players is making him look a lot worse.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Major Clanger on November 25, 2017, 02:44:53 AM
He was made to look a Tit by our selection and the players around him.

Also by the fact that he's shit.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 03:05:01 AM
Unsworth disappointing me saying things like lads making his job easier with performances last night. Some of those players have had far less time to impress than players Unsworth and people to that Koeman persist with no matter how shite they play.

Don’t worry about the fat PE teacher mate, won’t be here much longer.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 25, 2017, 03:24:19 AM
Don’t worry about the fat PE teacher mate, won’t be here much longer.

Meow!
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 25, 2017, 04:25:43 AM
He'll come good, guarantee it.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on November 25, 2017, 04:41:12 AM
Can’t believe anyone thought 4-4-2 with a left side of Martina and Klaassen was ever going to be good...

 Christ 😳

As @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) suggested, I don't think anyone dreamed we would have a left side like that.

Surely Unsworth/Royle are a bit insane 🤔
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on November 25, 2017, 04:44:04 AM
He was made to look a Tit by our selection and the players around him.
He would go press by himself and nobody would go with him so they passed around him. The  he was out of position.

Us being shite and having not arsed players is making him look a lot worse.

I don't think the players aren't arsed.

I just think they've been coached cluelessly, particularly when it comes to pressing.

It takes real synchronisation and planning to get it right, and I think Koeman just told them to "preshh" without actually knowing how to coach it. 
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 25, 2017, 03:53:10 PM
Oh my god is that how we lined up?

Is unsworth trying to intentionally not only not get the Everton job but not get any job in the future?

Ha.  Thought the same. A line-up so outlandish I thought @GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) was just making shit up.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: arteta4spain on November 25, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Just said to a mate he reminds me of a cross between Andy Johnson and Steven Naismith!
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 26, 2017, 03:08:44 PM
Just said to a mate he reminds me of a cross between Andy Johnson and Steven Naismith!

Bants.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 26, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
What has happened to Stevie Naismith? He never seems to be in the Norwich first team.  Perhaps they transferred him.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 30, 2017, 01:59:51 AM
This bag of shite not even on the bench again
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: kramer0 on November 30, 2017, 02:12:45 AM
I can see him as a useful source of goals, scoring off of knockdowns from whatever big lump of a forward we sign in January.

It's a role that requires good anticipation and the ability to finish (both of which he has) but doesn't require him to get on the ball regularly (which is clearly not his style).
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: piggypop on November 30, 2017, 06:09:24 PM
I reckon he's our new Bilyaletdinov. You can see he has talent but I just don't think he is suited to the Premier League. Until he leaves the club we'll probably want him to play in the position he doesn't seem to get much of a chance in.
It's a shame as we'd all love to see a midfielder arriving late and scoring hatfuls of goals like lampard.
And I certainly can't see him suiting an allardyce team, which is all about stats and productivity.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 30, 2017, 08:35:52 PM
Well if he does not or cannot take this great chance to impress and start with a clean slate with a new manager and coach, then he should be binned  in January along with Sandro and one or two others. Klassen may join the list of the most expensive flops in our history. I hope somehow he can turn his fortunes around.