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November 06, 2017, 01:36:40 AM
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Robioto


For fuck sake...

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November 06, 2017, 01:40:12 AM
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Ah, so we might get fucked in the arse then.

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November 06, 2017, 01:41:30 AM
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kramer0


Details?


November 06, 2017, 01:48:46 AM
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Trowel


Not sure what people are reacting to - there's nothing that breaks any rules. Questionable, yes; illegal, no.
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November 06, 2017, 01:50:11 AM
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What is he being accused of spending a gift buying the club? It doesn't seem even dodgy unless they are intending of saying it's not actually a gift and he doesn't actually own us

November 06, 2017, 01:52:02 AM
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I don't understand why it's even made it to Panorama. It's really not that big a deal to anyone outside of football and even most people in it. Clearly Usmanov and his business colleagues have upset someone within the establishment who want to make a show of him. That's usually how the BBC work.


November 06, 2017, 01:53:58 AM
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Ah, so we might get fucked in the arse then.

Spiffing.

Got to wonder where it leaves both clubs. Id say Arsenal are pretty isolated given hes got no power there but we look vunrable Id say to punishment or sanctions of some kind.

Even worse though Id say long term its probably put the kibosh on Usmanov coming here formally.
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November 06, 2017, 01:55:10 AM
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Here's the Guardian take on the same papers, independent of Panorama.

Same conclusion: murky in places, but no rules broken.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/arsenal-everton-stakeholders-close-ties-leaked-files-alisher-usmanov-farhad-moshiri?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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November 06, 2017, 01:55:37 AM
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Got to wonder where it leaves both clubs. Id say Arsenal are pretty isolated given hes got no power there but we look vunrable Id say to punishment or sanctions of some kind.

Even worse though Id say long term its probably put the kibosh on Usmanov coming here formally.
Have you even read the articles?
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November 06, 2017, 01:56:15 AM
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Have you even read the articles?

Just watched the programme.
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November 06, 2017, 01:59:46 AM
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Trowel


Just watched the programme.
Read the Guardian article - it seems like a more factual take on the paper trail, with less of the sensationalising "what if"s and "may have"s of Panorama.
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November 06, 2017, 02:05:36 AM
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Read the Guardian article - it seems like a more factual take on the paper trail, with less of the sensationalising "what if"s and "may have"s of Panorama.

So it says theres no link between the two?

Im on my phone so difficult to read to be honest. But the evidence is pretty damming as the former FA chairman said and if like I said they want to punish somebody its not likely to be Arsenal where hes got no power at all.

Hopefully they can brush it away somehow. Well have to wait and see.
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November 06, 2017, 02:12:47 AM
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So it says theres no link between the two?

Im on my phone so difficult to read to be honest. But the evidence is pretty damming as the former FA chairman said and if like I said they want to punish somebody its not likely to be Arsenal where hes got no power at all.

Hopefully they can brush it away somehow. Well have to wait and see.

Why would they punish anyone? No-one has done anything illegal. Lots of circumstantial evidence which a very expensive legal team will tear to shreds in any courtroom. Which it will never get to.

November 06, 2017, 02:17:28 AM
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So it says theres no link between the two?

Im on my phone so difficult to read to be honest. But the evidence is pretty damming as the former FA chairman said and if like I said they want to punish somebody its not likely to be Arsenal where hes got no power at all.

Hopefully they can brush it away somehow. Well have to wait and see.

Reading it my understanding is that no rules have been broken but that rules in future could be changed so that business partners cannot have stakes in two different premiership entries
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November 06, 2017, 02:18:05 AM
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A spokesman for Moshiri confirmed to the Guardian that Usmanovs Epion, a British Virgin Islands company, paid for the whole Arsenal stake. However, the spokesman said this did not show the whole picture of the relations between them, and Moshiri had paid Usmanov for his half-share of the initial Arsenal stake using money Moshiri had in his own separate investment company.

This cash payment [for the Arsenal shares] was funded by a 2007 dividend that Mr Moshiri received from an investment company which was 100% beneficially owned by Mr Moshiri. All of this is meticulously laid out in contractual agreements between the two parties, the spokesman said.

It is clear that Mr Moshiris participation in Red and White originated from his own funds and that Mr Moshiri is a person of very significant independent wealth, and this was already true in 2007.

The Guardian has been shown a document in which Epion did acknowledge receiving payment from a company owned by Moshiri for his half of the Arsenal stake, in full.
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