think they will be too strong for us
3-1 spurs
i would like to see the same formation though and probably an unchanged team
'take a lot of shots' on evertons style made me laugh
I do enjoy the stats Shogun posts in these threads.
Is Pienaar back for this game?
Spurs have lost their last 3 matches on a sunday which followed a thursday Europa game.
Looking promising for Sunday.... No Lennon, no Bale, no Gallas...No Defoe.
:whistle:
Yea without being too evil, a few injuries to Bale and Dembele would be helpful.Witch!
Looking promising for Sunday.... No Lennon, no Bale, no Gallas...
:whistle:
We're still without Fellaini and Pienaar though so it's a level playing field.
watch us get tonked 5-0 now
I can't help thinking back to the cup semi against the shite when they had to play their third choice keeper. Shame we have Pienaar and Fellaini missing, I'm still worried about our ability to create chances.
Witch!
I think we will play 3 at the back now.
Also no Holtby either by the way. He demanded it be written in his contract that he never plays against us cos hes a massive Evertonian
I fear it would be Naismith replacing Mirallas. Wouldn't mind it being Oviedo though, naturally left sided and doesn't mind doing his defensive duties
Howard
Heitinga Jagielka Distin
Coleman Baines
Gibson Osman
Anichebe Oviedo
Jelavic
is this a real formation?that 11 anyway, possibly in different positions
Is that 6 defenders ?? I miss our 4 - 6 - 0 formation ;)
I worry we might be shoehorning players in at the expense of playing them in their best position !
Super Kev is "touch and go" for Sunday according to moyesy :bonk:campbells back?
Well to be fair to Baines and Coleman they are better at attacking then about 90% of the midfielders in the league
Bale, Lennon and Gallas out for 2-3 weeks.
So excited to watch the game tomorrow, have a feeling Coleman and Baines are going to be flying up and down the wings all game!
Jesus. That's a big surprise.
Any ideas what the bench is? Is Jelavic ok?
Everton XI to face Spurs: Howard, Coleman, Baines, Heitinga, Distin, Jagielka, Gibson, Mirallas, Osman, Barkley, Anichebe
Howard
Heitinga Distin Jags
Coleman Baines
Gibson
Barkley Osman
Mirallas
Anichebe
I imagine this sort of formation?
No idea though
Surprised that jelavic isn't starting, he puts the fear of Christ into spurs, seems to relish playing against them.......Jelavic coming on for a late winner mate
Massive day for Ross Barkley. Right now would be a great time to shows us how good you are Ross!this
Surprised that jelavic isn't starting, he puts the fear of Christ into spurs, seems to relish playing against them
I'm not surprised Jelavic isn't starting. He's been wank.
He still has the tools in his bag to win the game
Biggest game if the season and Barkley given a start. No pressure mate. Top 4 reliant on you.
Spurs playing Vertonghen at left back as he has been marauding forward and scoring for fun.
Fair enough, as long as we win I don't care where the goals come from, I'd settle for 1.0 og
Distin again
Not sure it was anyone's fault. Ball came in at an awkward height. One of those things this time.
My God. We scored off a cornerha ha ha
Took me a while to work out if it was in or not.Taken out of context............
Is that a woman linesman? Sorry lineswoman? wtf?
Taken out of context............
Anichebe doing well
Surprised Walker didn't get a yellow for the deliberate handball there.
Sexist much? She is Sian Massey. Very good at her job too
Sexist much? She is Sian Massey. Very good at her job too
Sian Massey? Would You?
Did you think I was talking about the game then? ;)Of course not ;)
How did Walker get away without being booked??
Of course not ;)
Sian Massey? Have you?
Because you allowed to handball when it's 2 metres or so out of play.
Spurs alot stronger in the tackle than us today. They seem able to walk around us at times.
Strangely flat game. It's a cliché, but it's as though Spurs scored too soon. Osman has let us down on two or three occasions where a better ball would really have opened things up.
Ross is struggling a bit but he will only learn and get better by playing matches like this
Our decision making at times is shocking.
We have been in some great situations there and picked the wrong pass.
Ross and Kevin look way off the pace.
I think he is doing alright on defense, but as someone mentioned he keeps getting caught in possession and holding it longer than he should.
He is trying too hard to beat a man rather than playing the simple pass. Hopefully he will be given 15 mins in the second half and if it still isn't working take him off for jelly
Christ, Barkley is fucking horrifficWhether he isn't ready or this is too much pressure for a first start, I think most of us will forgive Moyes for not plaing in more of our earlier matches.
L'pool 0 - WHU 0 FT
That just won me $300.Congrats mate. Good bet
Anyone got a decent stream?
just in from work.
http://www.stadium-live.com/Channel3.html (http://www.stadium-live.com/Channel3.html)
I've been impressed by the lineswoman today. Really isn't afraid to make a close call against the home team.
She's on a promise from Distin to favor us ;)
So unlucky Victor there, great save.
Straight at him
How much injury time?4'
Straight at him
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.What?
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.
What?
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.
What?
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.
You only saw the last 7 minutes
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.
That's total balls mate. We were goosed and poor individual performances cost us.
Oh FUCK OFF you cock ! That was a good game and we played well in parts. Spurs are no push over so just fucking do one you idiotic prick !
Glad we have Fellaini and Pienaar back for the remaining 7 fixtures. Hope we can keep getting points and try catch the top 4
Haha only seen 15 mins of the game yet still offers an opinion on the managers tactics
only verm
We give away too many cheap goals to be sitting on leads.
We should have been all over them with their 3 best players missing.
Staveros tweet sums it up:
The way we went deep you'd think we were playing Barcelona, not Spurs minus some of their best players
We give away too many cheap goals to be sitting on leads.
We should have been all over them with their 3 best players missing.
Baines had a fucking nightmare today
We had two of our best players missing.
We played well, contained them for the majority of the match. The way you are going on mate you'd think we just lost to Stoke or something. I'd of took a point before the game and i think it is still a good result.
aaaaarrggggggghhh
How can people not see how moyes' tactics cost us - he's useless tactical wise in the last 10mins - we've lost far too many points from winning positions in the last 10 mins normally directly after a negative sub - its gotta be at least 3 games weve lost winning positions after hes brought a defender on for a striker in last 5 and todays not the first time the naismith for mirallas substitution has cost us - yes naismith wasnt directly involved in equaliser but its the negativity the tactics/subs send to the other player - i text my mate with 15 to go and said nasmith for mirallas any min and we'll draw or lose - it pains me to say it but it was fuckin obvious it was going to happen
Moyes out
We had two of our best players missing.
It's the 15 minutes that cost us the win so it's a pretty damn important 15 minutes.
The way we defend leads was quite easy to see, even from just that amount of time.
Firmly believe we have more in our team though regardless.
They've been a 1 man team all season.
It's not the worst point but it's definitely 2 lost.
Can't believe spurs had most of the play at home losing by one goal with 20 minutes to go. How dare they? boooooooooooooooo Moyes boooooooooooooothey did indeed which is why we shouldnt sit deep and invite the inevitable - mirallas shouldve stayed on to give us a threat on the break or even have been replaced with oviedo so we had pace - as soon as naismith came on it was sit back and soak it up time - something weve continously failed to do all season
It's the 15 minutes that cost us the win so it's a pretty damn important 15 minutes.
The way we defend leads was quite easy to see, even from just that amount of time.
Its still on - Spurs have two very difficult games coming up - Felli and pienar back next game. Would have taken a point before the game and after the first minute. 21 points still avaliable - Arsenal a week weds is the big one
Glad you're up to speed with how the points system works. Nice one!
You sure do say a lot with out actually saying anything
Yea ok pal, not sure what that means but nice one.
And quoting him about sums up your knowledge of the game.
Spurs at home, down by 1 are always going to have more of the ball no matter who they play. In fact, Walker's run was because we had committed men forward, he had space to run into, Baines made a very poor defensive play and they got their chance.
The only mistake I can see from Moyes was not finding a way to help Baines deal with Walker who ripped him apart all game.
Yeah, didn't think you would, not the quickest...
So why was Naismith to blame for the goal?read my post - i didnt say naismith was to blame no i never
Very simplistic view but I guess the majority of the clueless knee jerkers on here need someone to blame.
Lot of hate for BNP on here recently....
read my post - i didnt say naismith was to blame no i never
how the fuck am i a clueless kneejerker? Did we or did we not make a negative/defensive substitution and did we or did we not sit too deep and concede an equaliser? 1 game fair enough but this has happened on numerous occasions this season - we cant drop deep and defend a lead in last 10
Like Oviedo on for Osman.
Don't see how anyone can argue Heitinga in midfield is not negative. Not saying that that is what cost us as he defended a lot better in the second half i think. However seems pretty reasonable to assume we'd have had more possession and not have had to go so long all the time if Hitz had been in there or Osman deeper and someone else alongside or behind Anichebe.
ah it's only Verminator trying to act the big balls. He's all about the attention.
read my post - i didnt say naismith was to blame no i never
how the fuck am i a clueless kneejerker? Did we or did we not make a negative/defensive substitution and did we or did we not sit too deep and concede an equaliser? 1 game fair enough but this has happened on numerous occasions this season - we cant drop deep and defend a lead in last 10
Nearly every team in the league drops deep and defends a lead in the last 10 minutes away from home. We look to catch them on the break.and with 10 to go we took off our most effective counter attacking player i.e mirallas
And we nearly did with Anichebe and Jelavic both getting chances.
Nearly every team in the league drops deep and defends a lead in the last 10 minutes away from home. We look to catch them on the break.This. I don't know what people expected - push everyone up to chase a 3rd against the best counter-attacking side in the land?
And we nearly did with Anichebe and Jelavic both getting chances.
and with 10 to go we took off our most effective counter attacking player i.e mirallas
and with 10 to go we took off our most effective counter attacking player i.e mirallas
This. I don't know what people expected - push everyone up to chase a 3rd against the best counter-attacking side in the land?
Yeah Lennon, Bale and Defoe have been doing this to teams all season. Oh wait...
This. I don't know what people expected - push everyone up to chase a 3rd against the best counter-attacking side in the land?
The standards of some are far too low.
We shouldn't be happy with a point against a team like Spurs anymore, they sure as hell aren't.
This acceptance of mediocrity really needs to stop, every game we draw with teams around us with whom we are competing for top 4/5 places should be looked at as points dropped and nothing more.
Yes, as soon as we stop accepting "mediocrity" we will definitely make the Champions League. That's what's holding us back, not a lack of transfer funds and small squad.
When the have Defoe, Bale, and Lennon out, they can call on Sigurdsson, Dempsey and Adebayor. Which is about 30 millions pounds worth of transfer fees and very high wages. With Fellaini and Pienaar out we call upon Ross Barkley and John Heitinga.
Oh and people aren't happy with a point, but a draw away to Spurs at just about any other time of the year would be considered a good result.
Yes, as soon as we stop accepting "mediocrity" we will definitely make the Champions League. That's what's holding us back, not a lack of transfer funds and small squad.
When the have Defoe, Bale, and Lennon out, they can call on Sigurdsson, Dempsey and Adebayor. Which is about 30 millions pounds worth of transfer fees and very high wages. With Fellaini and Pienaar out we call upon Ross Barkley and John Heitinga.
Oh and people aren't happy with a point, but a draw away to Spurs at just about any other time of the year would be considered a good result.
The standards of some are far too low.Thank you - its really gets me down with the small time mentality of our fans sometimes
We shouldn't be happy with a point against a team like Spurs anymore, they sure as hell aren't.
This acceptance of mediocrity really needs to stop, every game we draw with teams around us with whom we are competing for top 4/5 places should be looked at as points dropped and nothing more.
The standards of some are far too low.
We shouldn't be happy with a point against a team like Spurs anymore, they sure as hell aren't.
This acceptance of mediocrity really needs to stop, every game we draw with teams around us with whom we are competing for top 4/5 places should be looked at as points dropped and nothing more.
Thank you - its really gets me down with the small time mentality of our fans sometimes
We have a squad good enough to be mixing it up with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal regardless.
I wish people would stop using the ridiculous excuse of lack of transfer funds. Moyes' biggest strength has been buying players at far under their value, we have more quality than a lot of sides who spend much more.
He had just got himself booked and hasn't completed 90 minutes since coming back from injury. I don't think Moyes wants to risk him pulling a muscle, especially as he was a doubt for this game.
I would say that our counter-attacking was still quite good given the chances we created in the last 10 minutes.
Thank you - its really gets me down with the small time mentality of our fans sometimes
Stop looking at how much each team has spent, it's fucking irrelevant
Should QPR be above us?
Thank you - its really gets me down with the small time mentality of our fans sometimes
Yes the ridiculous excuse of a lack of transfer funds which over pretty much the entire history of football has a direct correlation to where a team finishes.:thumbsup:
Our first 11 can compete with just about any team, but our squad depth is absolutely appalling.
Like I said, they lose 3 top players and can bring in 3 more top players. We lose 2 top players and we bring in a kid with potential and decent player in Heitinga.
That clearly has an effect, and any inability to see that is blindness.
If it's irrelevant then what is your issue with Kenwright?
Yes, as soon as we stop accepting "mediocrity" we will definitely make the Champions League. That's what's holding us back, not a lack of transfer funds and small squad.thats an arguement for another day - based on what was out there today we showed we had enough to beat them - u cant blame the transfer budget for the last 5/10mins today
When the have Defoe, Bale, and Lennon out, they can call on Sigurdsson, Dempsey and Adebayor. Which is about 30 millions pounds worth of transfer fees and very high wages. With Fellaini and Pienaar out we call upon Ross Barkley and John Heitinga.
Oh and people aren't happy with a point, but a draw away to Spurs at just about any other time of the year would be considered a good result.
and with 10 to go we took off our most effective counter attacking player i.e mirallasooh the guy having problems with his fitness .... or was that another player
Yes the ridiculous excuse of a lack of transfer funds which over pretty much the entire history of football has a direct correlation to where a team finishes.
Our first 11 can compete with just about any team, but our squad depth is absolutely appalling.
Like I said, they lose 3 top players and can bring in 3 more top players. We lose 2 top players and we bring in a kid with potential and decent player in Heitinga.
That clearly has an effect, and any inability to see that is blindness.
Also waiting for the obligatory, "doesn't NSNO mean anything anymore?" post.Well i didnt want to say it but as youve brought it up im guessing it doesnt going off your posts
thats an arguement for another day - based on what was out there today we showed we had enough to beat them - u cant blame the transfer budget for the last 5/10mins today
Exactly, the knee jerks don't see both sides, it's always about negativity. We had two of our best players out too and we don't have the depth spurs do so player for player I would say we were out matched so to come back from home with a point isn't amazing but I think it's acceptable and certainly isn't Moyes' fault.
It's irrelevant because good deals have made it that way.(http://gesvol.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/homer_getting_crazy_wallpaper_-_1920x1440.jpg)
More money would push us even further, sure, but that doesn't mean we still aren't capable of top 4/5 without it.
Stop looking at how much each team has spent, it's fucking irrelevant
Should QPR be above us?
Is Leighton Baines still a £5m player?
Is Jagielka worth £4m?
Is Mirallas worth £6m?
I could go on...
Exactly, the knee jerks don't see both sides, it's always about negativity. We had two of our best players out too and we don't have the depth spurs do so player for player I would say we were out matched so to come back from home with a point isn't amazing but I think it's acceptable and certainly isn't Moyes' fault.All excuses you play the game on the day
thats an arguement for another day - based on what was out there today we showed we had enough to beat them - u cant blame the transfer budget for the last 5/10mins today
Well i didnt want to say it but as youve brought it up im guessing it doesnt going off your posts
Fucking hell are you mad? Irrelevant? It clearly correlates directly to a team's performance over an extended period of time. Of course QPR aren't going to be above us, they have been spending big for 1 or 2 years and started with a far inferior squad.
Spurs have been spending money for years and years, and eventually it brought them into the Champions League and they have built a big squad with it.
Just because we've done well in the transfer market doesn't make it irrelevant. If anything it points to how well we've done given our resources. But their are limits to this. We can't afford to buy proven, top-level players that would give us that extra push we probably need.
Yes you can. If we had a better striker on the bench, or a better CM or a better winger it could have change the game.spurs' bench was weaker than ours today - at the end of the day people are just accepting the draw cos it was spurs. Had this been against a qpr or a sunderland then im sure a lot more people would agree with mine and verms comments - Moyes seems to be exempt from criticism cos we played spurs - its an absolute joke
Of course the team we put out was good enough to win the game. But the team Spurs put out was also good enough to win the game. Just because the team we put out is good enough to win the game doesn't mean they will.
Christ these are some very simplistic arguments.
a qpr or a sunderland then im sure a lot more people would agree with mine and verms comments
Exactly, the knee jerks don't see both sides, it's always about negativity. We had two of our best players out too and we don't have the depth spurs do so player for player I would say we were out matched so to come back from home with a point isn't amazing but I think it's acceptable and certainly isn't Moyes' fault.
It's irrelevant to the outcome of a single game though.
All that matters then is the quality in each side, not how much it cost.
spurs' bench was weaker than ours today - at the end of the day people are just accepting the draw cos it was spurs. Had this been against a qpr or a sunderland then im sure a lot more people would agree with mine and verms comments - Moyes seems to be exempt from criticism cos we played spurs - its an absolute joke
Yes and the quality of a team is directly related to the money that team spends.
Yes we could have won that game, but saying it is irrelevant in an individual is nonsensical. You could say that in each individual game all season, but in the end quality is determined largely by the ability to spend in the transfer market.
I am not saying that a draw in this game is fine, or that we should accept it. But quite frankly the overreaction on here about getting a point away to Spurs is over the top.
We had the quality to win that game, but overall we played a good game and being realistic a point is not a bad result. Yes winning that game would have been huge for a push for 4th but drawing doesn't leave us much worse off than we were before the weekend.
spurs' bench was weaker than ours today - at the end of the day people are just accepting the draw cos it was spurs. Had this been against a qpr or a sunderland then im sure a lot more people would agree with mine and verms comments - Moyes seems to be exempt from criticism cos we played spurs - its an absolute joke
There's a difference between being disappointed with dropping points in a game like today and looking at its context overall.that's how i feel
Everyone will be disappointed that we didn't win given how the game panned out.
But it's hardly a disgrace of a result.
Not at all, look at the difference between us and QPR, Sunderland, Newcastle etc..
There's a difference between being disappointed with dropping points in a game like today and looking at its context overall.
Everyone will be disappointed that we didn't win given how the game panned out.
But it's hardly a disgrace of a result.
Not at all, look at the difference between us and QPR, Sunderland, Newcastle etc..
If we had £5m more we coul have had another player like Mirallas.
Other teams wasting money is irrelevant; teams like Spurs spending money well isn't (in this case).
The player that's carried them all year cost £5m.
They paid 8 million for a 17 year old. We cannot afford to take that risk on potential.
But it's not is it!!!! That's the fucking point!
The player that's carried them all year cost £5m.
Who?
(not disagreeing, just don't know)
There's a difference between being disappointed with dropping points in a game like today and looking at its context overall.
Everyone will be disappointed that we didn't win given how the game panned out.
But it's hardly a disgrace of a result.
Who?
(not disagreeing, just don't know)
Bale, they paid an intial 5 million rising to 10 million. Although I think Southampton accepted an early fee.
We simply don't have the luxury of spending 5 million on a player that won't contribute for another 3 years. He was awful in his first two seasons and only started playing well in his third. If we pay that much we need someone who can contribute immediately.
I agree its not a disgrace of a result. My gripe is with the continued negative tactics employed by moyes in the last 10mins of games that we are leading. This "discussion" has escalated as people seem to think Moyes is exempt from criticism for his tactical shortfalls for today just because its spurs we played.
Its not just about today its has happened numerous times this season where we've lost points in the last 5mins after negative changes
I should also point out that you are using one player as an example which doesn't necessarily represent the rule.
For every Gareth Bale that is bought for decent money at 17 or 18, there are 4 or 5 others that never repay their fee.
Even a team like Spurs, that has generally bought very well, have a huge number of duds.
Look at Kyle Naughton, only this year is he getting any time on the pitch and it's not much. They paid 6 million for him.
Other shit transfers:
David Bentley 17 million
Bassong 8 million
Alan Hutton 9 million
Dos Santos 4 million
And a litany of players we've never heard of for between 2 and 4 million because they never made it.
There's a difference between being disappointed with dropping points in a game like today and looking at its context overall.
Everyone will be disappointed that we didn't win given how the game panned out.
But it's hardly a disgrace of a result.
4 players from 4-6 seasons ago. I guess we've also had loads of shit transfers/a huge number of duds/players who haven't or won't repay their fees.
Yakubu
Bily
Van Der Meyde
Kroldrup
Heitinga (are we going to get anywhere near 6mil for him?)
Not having Heitinga in that list.
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Not having Heitinga in that list.Or Yakubu!
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Yea the knee jerks seem to forget he was player of the season last year....
Thought he was quite grim, not as shit as gibson tho
I read somewhere Gibson is carrying an injury and will do surgery this summer.
Yea saw that too. Wonder how much it is affecting his play?
Did we touch the ball before they scored today?
Believe it or not we actually kicked off haha