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Title: Aaron Lennon
Post by: TheRam on May 03, 2017, 04:24:06 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4467162/Aaron-Lennon-detained-mental-health-act.html

Detained under the mental health act.

Hope all is well. Doesn't sound too good from that report though.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 03, 2017, 04:30:05 AM
Shit, best wishes to him of course. Not good this.
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Post by: blargins on May 03, 2017, 04:34:30 AM
Wow, totally out the blue this. Hope he gets well soon.
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Post by: sam of the south on May 03, 2017, 04:40:41 AM
Ah, bless him  :-\

Really top lad, rooting for him
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Post by: Jimmywhack on May 03, 2017, 04:41:31 AM
Wish him well, sad news
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Post by: Brownie20 on May 03, 2017, 04:45:51 AM
In my thoughts. Hope he gets the help he needs.
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Post by: blob on May 03, 2017, 04:47:00 AM
feels like i'm going through a deja vu with this one ???

anyway, hope he's ok.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Zoolander on May 03, 2017, 04:48:23 AM
Mental issues don't care if you are a millionaire footballer or a poor guy or girl making ends meet. Hope he's ok and has good people around him.
They say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger - often true and I hope it's the case for him.
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Post by: Sir Stealth on May 03, 2017, 04:57:19 AM
Shit hope he is ok
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Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 03, 2017, 05:06:57 AM
Hope he gets the help needed.
Been through the really bad times, currently working my way through it, wouldn't wish it on anyone.
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Post by: Goaljira on May 03, 2017, 05:11:48 AM
Shit news this.  Really hope he gets through it.
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Post by: bluestevie on May 03, 2017, 05:13:44 AM
Come right out the blue this has, hope he gets better soon
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Post by: Major Clanger on May 03, 2017, 05:20:32 AM
Bloody hell, hope he's going to be okay.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Confucius on May 03, 2017, 05:35:33 AM
That's really sobering news.


Get well Aaron.
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Post by: pjk on May 03, 2017, 05:38:12 AM
All the best to the lad. It's never nice seeing people in trouble like this. Fingers crossed he makes a full recovery. :(
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Post by: Gash on May 03, 2017, 05:46:28 AM
Holy shit, poor guy. Hopefully he gets better, horrible thing mental illness.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blueski on May 03, 2017, 06:41:16 AM
hate to say it but the article makes you wonder if it was substance abuse cited as a mental illness out of kindness. either way its bad news, hope he's better soon
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Alfie Noakes on May 03, 2017, 06:49:43 AM
This looks like really bad news, I just hope it's not true.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blue1948 on May 03, 2017, 10:03:28 AM
I wish him and his family well at this trying time
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Post by: Silas on May 03, 2017, 12:59:16 PM
Dreadful to hear. 
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 03, 2017, 01:14:31 PM
Speedy recovery Aaron. He has the right people at the club to help him get through this.
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Post by: Escla on May 03, 2017, 01:33:54 PM
hate to say it but the article makes you wonder if it was substance abuse cited as a mental illness out of kindness. either way its bad news, hope he's better soon

That article doesn't make me wonder about any such nonsense, how anyone could reach such a conclusion beggars belief, get well soon Aaron.
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Post by: brap2 on May 03, 2017, 01:36:05 PM
Really sad that, fingers crossed for him.
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Post by: Macca77 on May 03, 2017, 01:50:04 PM
Admitting you've got a problem is the hardest thing to do, onwards and upwards Aaron!
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 03, 2017, 01:52:44 PM
hate to say it but the article makes you wonder if it was substance abuse cited as a mental illness out of kindness. either way its bad news, hope he's better soon

How on earth did you manage to get that from the article??

It sounded like he was about to try and commit suicide by jumping on the motorway and the police had to talk him down.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blue slug on May 03, 2017, 01:54:18 PM
hoping he gets all the help he needs and pulls through
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Post by: Lincs Toffee on May 03, 2017, 02:37:48 PM
Had to do a double take when I saw it on the news banner this morning. really shocking news this and wish him and all his family well and hope he gets all the support needed from the club, his family and the supporters.
Good luck fella !
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 03, 2017, 03:12:14 PM
Daily Mail mentioning his salary. *sigh*
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Post by: velimski on May 03, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
Get well soon fella.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Major Clanger on May 03, 2017, 03:47:46 PM
What I'm thinking is: is this something we should know about?

Sure, we want to know about it, but does it help him that his problems have just been published?
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Post by: Cozzie on May 03, 2017, 03:55:08 PM
Couldn't believe when I read this.

Hope everything works out for him.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Lxxx on May 03, 2017, 03:57:38 PM
What I'm thinking is: is this something we should know about?

Sure, we want to know about it, but does it help him that his problems have just been published?

Having a possible breakdown on the side of a busy M602 is pretty public enough. Gossip would have spread regardless, an official statement gets what needs to be said out in a proper manner.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: dazfrancis on May 03, 2017, 03:59:46 PM
Get well soon Aaron.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Major Clanger on May 03, 2017, 04:12:18 PM
Having a possible breakdown on the side of a busy M602 is pretty public enough. Gossip would have spread regardless, an official statement gets what needs to be said out in a proper manner.

Yeah, you're probably right. I genuinely don't know the answer, it wasn't a rhetorical question.

But you know what I mean, this sort of thing is one of the most sensitive types of personal information, and it's protected for a reason.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: everton1952 on May 03, 2017, 04:12:35 PM
Inevitable that it should go public for a well known footballer playing for a well known club. He just seemed to disappear from Everton news and not mentioned by Koeman when asked for news of players sidelined. Very sad indeed, I have first hand experience of breakdowns friend and family. It is horrible. He will get the best of attention and hopefully will recover.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: TheRam on May 03, 2017, 04:18:47 PM
Yeah, you're probably right. I genuinely don't know the answer, it wasn't a rhetorical question.

But you know what I mean, this sort of thing is one of the most sensitive types of personal information, and it's protected for a reason.

I suspect it's an ongoing issue we've kept private for a while now.

Hasn't been in the squad for a while with an undiagnosed injury and when Koeman was asked he simply said he wasn't in a physical shape to play.

Once he has a police incident reported then I don't think we have a choice but to make it public through the media.

Now it's been made public and he's getting messages of support from everywhere it might help him move forward?

Hopefully anyway.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blargins on May 03, 2017, 04:41:26 PM
He probably isn't even aware it's made the news. It's likely the last thing on his mind.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 03, 2017, 05:00:42 PM
Also it's something we should talk about. Keeping mental health issues secret is what makes people feel worse when it happens to them. You never know, this being made public may help a struggling Everton fan go and get help.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bally on May 03, 2017, 05:13:13 PM
hate to say it but the article makes you wonder if it was substance abuse cited as a mental illness out of kindness. either way its bad news, hope he's better soon
How in the screaming blue fuck did you jump to that conclusion.

Fuck me
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bally on May 03, 2017, 05:13:38 PM
Just so you all know this is section 136 https://www.rethink.org/living-with-mental-illness/police-courts-prison/section-136-police-taking-you-to-a-place-of-safety-from-a-public-place
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bally on May 03, 2017, 05:16:52 PM


Also it's something we should talk about. Keeping mental health issues secret is what makes people feel worse when it happens to them. You never know, this being made public may help a struggling Everton fan go and get help.

It should be talked about all the time, it should be approached all the time, if you even think that someone is suffering go and ask, I do, I know first hand how bad it can get.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: bluestevie on May 03, 2017, 05:32:30 PM
Daily Mail mentioning his salary. *sigh*

Not just that but his partying in his Spurs days with reality TV bints and his past incidents with police. Whoever felt the need to bring that up needs sacking, has absolutely no relation to what Aaron is going through right now. Quite rightly they are getting pelters for it left right and centre from not just the general public but fans of other clubs as well as the likes of Phil Neville and Robbie Fowler too
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Faceatthefence on May 03, 2017, 05:36:54 PM
Get well soon Aaron
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Jamokachi on May 03, 2017, 06:25:11 PM
Disgraceful reporting of the incident, thankfully widely condemned.

http://www.football365.com/news/mediawatch-aaron-lennon-daily-mail-and-daily-mirror
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: formerKHL on May 03, 2017, 06:43:21 PM
some people just think footballers because they earn good money have the life of riley....and to be fair most of them do..

However, this is becoming a growing problem within the game, particularly as players reach their "latter" years of their careers..

good luck and best wishes fastman.....
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bluedylan on May 03, 2017, 07:17:57 PM
Great that this has come to light before something really bad happened.

He should get the support needed now, unlike a lot of people who suffer in silence.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: formerKHL on May 03, 2017, 08:07:24 PM
unfortunately a lot of people don't "know" the symptoms so don't recognise and accept their mental state....then even after they hit a low a lot of people stay in denial..."embarrassed" to seek help...
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Redartin on May 03, 2017, 08:08:07 PM
It is sad news, and when you think about it, he was out and about doing whatever he was at, the very same time his team mates were playing Chelsea.

I know the club cannot be with him 24/7 but maybe bringing him to a game and letting him meet up with friends for the day would have got him through that day. Maybe they did offer and he just wanted to be alone. I know it is all hind sight and talk after an event is easy, but I hope the club are doing their bit and him and his family get through all this successfully.

Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: formerKHL on May 03, 2017, 08:13:08 PM
to be fair squad players whether available or not are expected to attend games regardless and usually have to have "permission" not to attend.....
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 03, 2017, 08:28:01 PM
Everton football club is the best club/company to help you when you have mental health issues. Ive had quite a few meetings with EITC about mental health and how art and sport can help, and they are incredible. Im sure he will be well looked after, thank fully.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Lincs Toffee on May 03, 2017, 08:46:45 PM

It should be talked about all the time, it should be approached all the time, if you even think that someone is suffering go and ask, I do, I know first hand how bad it can get.

This.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: formerKHL on May 03, 2017, 08:57:48 PM
Everton football club is the best club/company to help you when you have mental health issues. Ive had quite a few meetings with EITC about mental health and how art and sport can help, and they are incredible. Im sure he will be well looked after, thank fully.

thankfully they will have caught it early enough to get him through it with as little distress to him as possible...
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Post by: Major Clanger on May 03, 2017, 09:17:47 PM
unfortunately a lot of people don't "know" the symptoms so don't recognise and accept their mental state....then even after they hit a low a lot of people stay in denial..."embarrassed" to seek help...

It's a lot harder for footballers too, being expected to appear strong and macho at all times.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: formerKHL on May 03, 2017, 09:34:50 PM
It's a lot harder for footballers too, being expected to appear strong and macho at all times.

and in the public arena...
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 03, 2017, 10:35:37 PM
It's a lot harder for footballers too, being expected to appear strong and macho at all times.

The NFL has gotten much more open about this in the past 5 or so years, thankfully.  But it took a rash of suicides to do it.  The head trauma involved in professional sport can be a serious trigger for brain chemical changes (in addition to the "it can happen to anybody" factor), plus the whole "macho culture" keeping things under wraps for so long.

Good article about one of my childhood heroes, who's been remarkably brave in telling his story:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-nfl-quarterback-describes-life-after-his-failed-suicide-attempt-in-2015/
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Trowel on May 03, 2017, 11:25:51 PM
Everton winger Aaron Lennon is not suffering from a long-standing mental health issue and is expected to make a full recovery in the short term, BBC Sport understands.

The 30-year-old was detained under the Mental Health Act by police over concerns for his welfare.

He was taken to hospital "for assessment" after police were called to Salford on Sunday.

It is understood his condition is a recent occurrence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39797244
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Confucius on May 03, 2017, 11:26:08 PM
Some good news.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39797244
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: BlueForYou on May 04, 2017, 12:54:23 AM
Be kind to yourself, Aaron - and come through in your own time

Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: brap2 on May 04, 2017, 01:50:56 AM
Great that this has come to light before something really bad happened.

He should get the support needed now, unlike a lot of people who suffer in silence.

Had a friend just get up and do it one day.

Nobody had any idea he was struggling. Always mega mega confident. Good with girls, great shape, wouldn't take shit off people. One day just walked out in the morning and now he's gone, and no one even knew he was struggling with anything.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 04, 2017, 01:57:12 AM
Lost nearly 6 years of my life to stress related illness, terrible thing,he will get the best help
with Everton  no doubt...All the best lad..
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bluedylan on May 04, 2017, 02:20:51 AM
Had a friend just get up and do it one day.

Nobody had any idea he was struggling. Always mega mega confident. Good with girls, great shape, wouldn't take shit off people. One day just walked out in the morning and now he's gone, and no one even knew he was struggling with anything.

Bloody hell. Poor lad. Hope he's alright wherever he is.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: trueevertonianpaul on May 04, 2017, 02:30:39 AM
Get well soon Aaron
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: brap2 on May 04, 2017, 03:23:42 AM
Bloody hell. Poor lad. Hope he's alright wherever he is.

Didn't mean to be ambiguous but reading it back it is. He took his own life unfortunately.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Everton Mint on May 04, 2017, 03:31:46 AM
So sad about this. I had a lot of time for him and loved the 100% effort he always gave on the pitch. Hope he's over the illness soon and back in the fold.

All the best Aaron.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/07/article-P-881c884e-0f74-4a88-aabb-f58ffe011be7-4ANzg9MPMB94b712ff36e5b4ae68-270_634x356.jpg)
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: East midlands bluenose on May 04, 2017, 03:36:29 AM
once Everton has touched you    get well aaron 
the blue family is behind you   
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blueski on May 04, 2017, 04:54:17 AM
How in the screaming blue fuck did you jump to that conclusion.

Fuck me
didn't jump to any conclusion at all, sounds awful whatever the issue is.

guess it just seems so hard to take that a professional footballer at the top level of physical fitness and conditioning with money and access to whatever help and care he needs could suffer from something like this. maybe that's naive by me I don't know. at the time I posted very little was known about what happened. still think thats the case
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bluedylan on May 04, 2017, 05:13:50 AM
didn't jump to any conclusion at all, sounds awful whatever the issue is.

guess it just seems so hard to take that a professional footballer at the top level of physical fitness and conditioning with money and access to whatever help and care he needs could suffer from something like this. maybe that's naive by me I don't know. at the time I posted very little was known about what happened. still think thats the case

Yeah, that is a touch nave mate. Not having a pop at you at all, but mental health issues affect all stratas of society, regardless of how happy and successful your life might seem to others on the outside.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blueski on May 04, 2017, 05:21:36 AM
Yeah, that is a touch nave mate. Not having a pop at you at all, but mental health issues affect all stratas of society, regardless of how happy and successful your life might seem to others on the outside.
understood - I've known people who've had problems and as much as I agree with everything you say its shocking every time
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Tony Clifton on May 04, 2017, 05:25:11 AM
Get well soon Aaron Lennon.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Gash on May 04, 2017, 05:26:46 AM
Mental health can happen to anyone regardless of what they earn, to use income as a benchmark to how someone should be is total ignorance to mental health and one if the many things wrong with the whole stigma. There's the old phrase 'money doesn't buy happiness'.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: benny on May 04, 2017, 05:27:02 AM
I`m so sorry to read about  Aaron Lennons illness i realy hope he gets all the help that he needs and hope he is back in the near future.GET WELL SOON Aaron lad.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bally on May 04, 2017, 06:39:54 AM
didn't jump to any conclusion at all, sounds awful whatever the issue is.

guess it just seems so hard to take that a professional footballer at the top level of physical fitness and conditioning with money and access to whatever help and care he needs could suffer from something like this. maybe that's naive by me I don't know. at the time I posted very little was known about what happened. still think thats the case
Yeah naivety is exactly what it is mate, depression /stress /anxiety doesn't give a fuck what your status is
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blueski on May 04, 2017, 06:54:29 AM
Yeah naivety is exactly what it is mate, depression /stress /anxiety doesn't give a fuck what your status is
Agree completely as i said above - it always is shocking and confusing though regardless of money or status
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bluedylan on May 04, 2017, 07:32:02 AM
Didn't mean to be ambiguous but reading it back it is. He took his own life unfortunately.

Shit, man. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: pjk on May 04, 2017, 09:24:09 PM
I thought it would be a good idea to congratulate AJ on his pledge of 10p per retweet of this message. 12,500 to the mind charity, up till now. Once a blue, always a blue.  :clap:




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Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Rodenplav64 on May 04, 2017, 09:30:30 PM
The human mind is a fragile thing . Being alone but surrounded by people is a strange way to feel and then your bubble bursts . Money , wife , kids and friends somehow fail to make a dent in your mood . Hope he gets well soon .
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blue1948 on May 04, 2017, 11:21:49 PM
I watched the Koeman interview on the club channel today ,other than once again being absolutely pissed off with the first guy ,who tries "ad infinitum" to trip the manager up ,I was shocked that despite Koeman saying they have people in place to face this ,it has happened .I have not heard many details but it seems that everyone around him has a question to answer. No more until I know more but I am not impressed
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: TheRam on May 04, 2017, 11:35:51 PM
I watched the Koeman interview on the club channel today ,other than once again being absolutely pissed off with the first guy ,who tries "ad infinitum" to trip the manager up ,I was shocked that despite Koeman saying they have people in place to face this ,it has happened .I have not heard many details but it seems that everyone around him has a question to answer. No more until I know more but I am not impressed

What aren't you impressed about?

No one knows what happened so it's unfair to cast any kind of judgement.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bluedylan on May 04, 2017, 11:38:34 PM
I watched the Koeman interview on the club channel today ,other than once again being absolutely pissed off with the first guy ,who tries "ad infinitum" to trip the manager up ,I was shocked that despite Koeman saying they have people in place to face this ,it has happened .I have not heard many details but it seems that everyone around him has a question to answer. No more until I know more but I am not impressed

I think you might have misinterpreted the inferences from the press conference there. Mental health problems can and will happen regardless of the things a club or any organisation has in place. Koeman said that both Everton and Southampton have a lot of things in place to help players in such situations. That doesn't mean you can prevent it from happening, because no one can do that, it's about the level of support, treatment and guidance that you can offer, once it has come to light.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Escla on May 04, 2017, 11:48:52 PM
I watched the Koeman interview on the club channel today ,other than once again being absolutely pissed off with the first guy ,who tries "ad infinitum" to trip the manager up ,I was shocked that despite Koeman saying they have people in place to face this ,it has happened .I have not heard many details but it seems that everyone around him has a question to answer. No more until I know more but I am not impressed

What would that question be ?
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Lxxx on May 04, 2017, 11:57:21 PM
didn't jump to any conclusion at all, sounds awful whatever the issue is.

guess it just seems so hard to take that a professional footballer at the top level of physical fitness and conditioning with money and access to whatever help and care he needs could suffer from something like this. maybe that's naive by me I don't know. at the time I posted very little was known about what happened. still think thats the case

I would imagine it's equally as lonely sat in a large mansion on your own feeling depressed as it is in a one bedroom flat.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Confucius on May 05, 2017, 12:03:38 AM
I think you might have misinterpreted the inferences from the press conference there. Mental health problems can and will happen regardless of the things a club or any organisation has in place. Koeman said that both Everton and Southampton have a lot of things in place to help players in such situations. That doesn't mean you can prevent it from happening, because no one can do that, it's about the level of support, treatment and guidance that you can offer, once it has come to light.

Added to that, unless someone wants help, there isn't much you can do until they become a danger to themselves or others.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: BlueForYou on May 05, 2017, 02:16:16 AM
You can feel lonely surrounded by loved ones; once a dark cloud invades your space, it can start to suffocate you until you reach hell - then just try and keep walking...................... ...

And never judge anybody else until you've tried walking in their shoes

Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 05, 2017, 02:21:36 AM
Fat Brazil mentioned something on his breakfast show yesterday about Everton being the ones that raised the alarm to the Police prior to them detaining him.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Shropshire Blue on May 05, 2017, 03:01:12 AM
Whenever any of us experience something for the first time we have to learn how to deal with it, from the most trivial to the most serious.
Sometimes we can learn quickly and sometimes it can take years. With mental illness you have to allow for the person's personality, life experience, social values and pressures from other significant adults to name but a few.
If it develops slowly then it's hard to see one day as better or worse than the day before. This month compared to last month - maybe, this year compared to last year- probably. Others may see it before you do, hide it well and they may notice little things but overall won't identify it.
Sometimes you have to hit the crisis before it can be dealt with. It is such a personal thing that you can't generalise and with Aaron, whist others will have experienced similar events, no one will have experienced it exactly like him.
Don't try to attach blame or responsibility to him, the club or anyone else. All we know are a few facts about the crisis point and that is probably one per cent of the overall picture. The rest is private and personal and should be kept that way.
If Aaron chooses to talk publicly in the future that's fine and I think we would all respect that because that takes real bottle.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blue1948 on May 05, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
What aren't you impressed about?

No one knows what happened so it's unfair to cast any kind of judgement.

The gist of my comment was based on a quote from the prematch interview a few weeks ago ,where Koeman said that Aaron was not ready to play for the team ,not he was not fit ,not he was injured but he was not ready .So my thoughts on that are that the club was aware something was wrong and yet still we have gotten to this point and if indeed the club notified the police then why was Aaron near a main road needing help
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 05, 2017, 04:08:08 PM
The gist of my comment was based on a quote from the prematch interview a few weeks ago ,where Koeman said that Aaron was not ready to play for the team ,not he was not fit ,not he was injured but he was not ready .So my thoughts on that are that the club was aware something was wrong and yet still we have gotten to this point and if indeed the club notified the police then why was Aaron near a main road needing help

You ever had mental health issues? For one, you tend to keep how you really feel, totally secret. You dont go shouting about that you may feel suicidal or want to harm yourself. Sure, the people closest to you may know you are depressed, but i doubt they know the intensity of it.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Gash on May 05, 2017, 05:09:59 PM
The gist of my comment was based on a quote from the prematch interview a few weeks ago ,where Koeman said that Aaron was not ready to play for the team ,not he was not fit ,not he was injured but he was not ready .So my thoughts on that are that the club was aware something was wrong and yet still we have gotten to this point and if indeed the club notified the police then why was Aaron near a main road needing help

Something preople with mental health issues are very good at (mainly due to the stigma) is hiding the issue or playing it down.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Major Clanger on May 05, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
The gist of my comment was based on a quote from the prematch interview a few weeks ago ,where Koeman said that Aaron was not ready to play for the team ,not he was not fit ,not he was injured but he was not ready .So my thoughts on that are that the club was aware something was wrong and yet still we have gotten to this point and if indeed the club notified the police then why was Aaron near a main road needing help

That bit is easy to answer: would you like to live in a country where the police can lock you up because someone claims you're suicidal?

Under section 136 they can only act if they are convinced you are a danger to yourself or others. Which is what they've done. (And well done to them too, I can't imagine it's one of the easier assignments for coppers.)
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Shropshire Blue on May 05, 2017, 05:26:27 PM
Reading posts on here it's obvious people care. It's also obvious that whilst the understanding and profile of mental llness is improving overall people are not aware of how help is or can be offered. Talking to people and trying to understand their situation should be taken for granted but it might help people understand better if you consider how help is offered when it becomes more critical. Aaron was detained under the MH Act to enable a full assessment to be done but what about those more seriously ill but not sectionable? 
How would you deal with that?
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Shropshire Blue on May 05, 2017, 05:32:57 PM
That bit is easy to answer: would you like to live in a country where the police can lock you up because someone claims you're suicidal?

Under section 136 they can only act if they are convinced you are a danger to yourself or others. Which is what they've done. (And well done to them too, I can't imagine it's one of the easier assignments for coppers.)
Ironically that might be easier than you think as there is a clear and immediate danger and a clear immediate solution that removes the person to a place of safety, almost always a hospital where treatment is available..
The difficulty is when the situation is not as clear as that and there appears no satisfactory or effective solution quickly available. That's the difficult one!
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blue1948 on May 05, 2017, 06:10:30 PM
You ever had mental health issues? For one, you tend to keep how you really feel, totally secret. You dont go shouting about that you may feel suicidal or want to harm yourself. Sure, the people closest to you may know you are depressed, but i doubt they know the intensity of it.
Liz ,I have nothing bad to say about Aaron ,I just said that the club was aware weeks ago and yet it got to the point he was in -needing help at the side of a main road .
Surely some alarm bells were ringing weeks ago .I accept the situation if you have problems but once again surely if people close to you and the club know then he shouldn't be "endangering himself" .At least not to the point where the club phone  the police
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blue1948 on May 05, 2017, 06:15:56 PM
I originally stated my thoughts dependent on further info and now I have been forced to defend my statement .I have nothing but sadness for the way Aaron is and my only criticism is for those around him given that it was known there WAS a problem .I wish him all the best in his recovery and I certainly not judging him or any other person with mental health issues .
Brownie will love this "there but for the grace of god go I "
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Toddacelli on May 05, 2017, 06:20:32 PM
I was married to someone for years who suffered from depression most days and did everything I could to help, support and understand her and yet I still have no idea to this day what depression is like for the person going through it. It is just completely alien to me, even now.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Toddacelli on May 05, 2017, 06:21:07 PM
P.S. best wishes to Aaron to get the help he needs. I'm sure he will.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Major Clanger on May 05, 2017, 06:34:04 PM
Ironically that might be easier than you think as there is a clear and immediate danger and a clear immediate solution that removes the person to a place of safety, almost always a hospital where treatment is available..
The difficulty is when the situation is not as clear as that and there appears no satisfactory or effective solution quickly available. That's the difficult one!

I meant the bit of actually being there and seeing the guy wondering around, and how do you approach him, what if he does something unexpected, and so on.

Again, I don't really know how these things work, I'm just imagining it's a tricky and stressful situation. It might not be.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: TheRam on May 05, 2017, 06:35:50 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tottenham-fans-urged-show-support-12990466

A minutes applause? Really?
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Shropshire Blue on May 05, 2017, 07:09:26 PM
Liz ,I have nothing bad to say about Aaron ,I just said that the club was aware weeks ago and yet it got to the point he was in -needing help at the side of a main road .
Surely some alarm bells were ringing weeks ago .I accept the situation if you have problems but once again surely if people close to you and the club know then he shouldn't be "endangering himself" .At least not to the point where the club phone  the police
This is the dilemma when someone's condition worsens. At what point can you intervene against the person's wishes?
After 30+ years of the MH Act that forms the basis of today's legal way of dealing with mental health there are a lot of precedents to guide professionals actions but it still rests on the professionals' judgement.
The S136 he was detained under is merely an emergency section that gives 72hrs (it may have changed since I retired but that doesn't matter) to get an assessment done and decide whether an application to detain him in hospital is pursued or not - he may stay on a voluntary basis.
If it interests anyone I'll describe the process both legally and how one comes to a judgement that someone needs to be detained. It would be a long post so I won't waste the time unless it is of interest.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 05, 2017, 07:28:17 PM
Liz ,I have nothing bad to say about Aaron ,I just said that the club was aware weeks ago and yet it got to the point he was in -needing help at the side of a main road .
Surely some alarm bells were ringing weeks ago .I accept the situation if you have problems but once again surely if people close to you and the club know then he shouldn't be "endangering himself" .At least not to the point where the club phone  the police

Oh i know you dont have anything bad to say about him, im just saying that people often dont know the extent of it. Sorry to be so blunt but all my family and friends were massively shocked when i took an overdose. No one knew the extent of my mental illness, and so no one could have prevented it. I kept my feelings a secret. And they felt very bad but there was nothing they could have done.

On the other hand,two of my friends have taken their own life, and even though ive been in that situation myself, i never saw it coming...so someone with no personal experience doesnt have a chance.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Escla on May 05, 2017, 08:37:48 PM
I watched the Koeman interview on the club channel today ,other than once again being absolutely pissed off with the first guy ,who tries "ad infinitum" to trip the manager up ,I was shocked that despite Koeman saying they have people in place to face this ,it has happened .I have not heard many details but it seems that everyone around him has a question to answer. No more until I know more but I am not impressed

So what would that question be then ?
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: formerKHL on May 05, 2017, 09:11:33 PM
Unfortunately..MH is the classic catch 22...how do you know you're mentally ill.....if you're mentally ill.

The people who suffer this don't mindfully try to "hide" their symptoms....many just don't know and accept they're "ill"....and believe they're acting "normally"...

close family/friends..dont recognise the symptoms.....because they also do not know....until it gets so severe they start to recognise changes in attitude, behaviours etc that go against the norm...
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: formerKHL on May 05, 2017, 09:15:09 PM
This is the dilemma when someone's condition worsens. At what point can you intervene against the person's wishes?
After 30+ years of the MH Act that forms the basis of today's legal way of dealing with mental health there are a lot of precedents to guide professionals actions but it still rests on the professionals' judgement.
The S136 he was detained under is merely an emergency section that gives 72hrs (it may have changed since I retired but that doesn't matter) to get an assessment done and decide whether an application to detain him in hospital is pursued or not - he may stay on a voluntary basis.
If it interests anyone I'll describe the process both legally and how one comes to a judgement that someone needs to be detained. It would be a long post so I won't waste the time unless it is of interest.

No you are correct SB....it's a maximum of 72 hours in a place of safety....they can be moved to another place of safety within the 72 hours.....but the timescale is also determined by the opinion of the medical staff, which can be less than the 72 hours...
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Escla on May 05, 2017, 09:17:24 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tottenham-fans-urged-show-support-12990466

A minutes applause? Really?

They may mean well but I don't think it's appropriate, that's normally for someone who has died not someone who is temporarily unwell. Don't understand either why Pochetino is contacting his agent to see what Spurs can do, leave that to the medical staff, his family and Everton FC.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: formerKHL on May 05, 2017, 09:22:34 PM
They may mean well but I don't think it's appropriate, that's normally for someone who has died not someone who is temporarily unwell. Don't understand either why Pochetino is contacting his agent to see what Spurs can do, leave that to the medical staff, his family and Everton FC.

he's obviously still liked and respected at the club....
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Major Clanger on May 05, 2017, 10:05:57 PM
They may mean well but I don't think it's appropriate, that's normally for someone who has died not someone who is temporarily unwell. Don't understand either why Pochetino is contacting his agent to see what Spurs can do, leave that to the medical staff, his family and Everton FC.

There's nothing wrong with contacting his agent, that's what they're there for. He's just trying to help.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: blargins on May 05, 2017, 10:11:18 PM
I was married to someone for years who suffered from depression most days and did everything I could to help, support and understand her and yet I still have no idea to this day what depression is like for the person going through it. It is just completely alien to me, even now.

My ex wife was like that. She was on efflexor or something like that. Came off them too quick and was suicidal. Took her to a mental health hospital where she stayed for 2 weeks. Those two weeks were very hard, but what followed the for the next 5 years was even harder. I know it's damned hard for the person in that state, but it's just as hard for those of us who are trying to help. I felt I was walking on egg shells the rest of our marriage. Horrible times. Looking back, I've blanked a lot of that bad stuff out of my head.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Toddacelli on May 05, 2017, 10:16:24 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tottenham-fans-urged-show-support-12990466

A minutes applause? Really?

They wouldn't do it if he broke a leg or pulled a hamstring. Whilst high profile mental health issues are good in spreading awareness, I think we need to get to the point where mental and physical illnesses are viewed as the same and treated the same.
We're still some way off that but treating mental illness differently still feels slightly wrong.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Toddacelli on May 05, 2017, 10:17:18 PM
My ex wife was like that. She was on efflexor or something like that. Came off them too quick and was suicidal. Took her to a mental health hospital where she stayed for 2 weeks. Those two weeks were very hard, but what followed the for the next 5 years was even harder. I know it's damned hard for the person in that state, but it's just as hard for those of us who are trying to help. I felt I was walking on egg shells the rest of our marriage. Horrible times. Looking back, I've blanked a lot of that bad stuff out of my head.

Walking on eggshells is the EXACT perfect phrase for it in my experience.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: bacon sarnie on May 05, 2017, 11:05:17 PM
Must be awful for him and his family. Heal fast Mr Lennon. Evertonians are with you.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: ajax_andy on May 05, 2017, 11:25:34 PM
They wouldn't do it if he broke a leg or pulled a hamstring. Whilst high profile mental health issues are good in spreading awareness, I think we need to get to the point where mental and physical illnesses are viewed as the same and treated the same.
We're still some way off that but treating mental illness differently still feels slightly wrong.

I see what you're saying but someone who is so down they are possibly thinking of / trying to end it may feel all alone in the world.  Tens of thousands of people clapping in your honour could be a huge boost to someone feeling that way
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bluedylan on May 05, 2017, 11:30:31 PM
Klopp spoke very well about it in his press conference.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Major Clanger on May 05, 2017, 11:37:36 PM
Klopp spoke very well about it in his press conference.

What did he say?
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Escla on May 05, 2017, 11:57:56 PM
What did he say?

Very sensible things.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: toffee_scot on May 06, 2017, 01:44:08 AM
Very sad to hear, hopefully he will recover and grow stronger as a person. At this moment in time though, football should be the last thing on his mind.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Bluedylan on May 06, 2017, 02:32:14 AM
What did he say?

Just that Everton will be supporting him, we should give him privacy and while we should talk about the subject in general, journalists should refrain from asking questions about him and leave him to deal with things without any additional pressure or time in the limelight.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Gash on May 06, 2017, 05:45:38 AM
Decent piece by Giggs about the pressure on modern players.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/i-had-to-prepare-psychologically-for-life-after-manchester-united/ar-BBAMWGq?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartandhp
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Toddacelli on May 06, 2017, 01:28:54 PM
I see what you're saying but someone who is so down they are possibly thinking of / trying to end it may feel all alone in the world.  Tens of thousands of people clapping in your honour could be a huge boost to someone feeling that way

I don't know if it works like that because the outside world is secondary to what is happening in your head (speaking of depression) - but I guess you're right in that positive shows of support probably won't hurt.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 08, 2017, 05:29:38 PM
its Mental Health Awareness Week. Hope if anyone is struggling then you can talk to people in your life. If not, talk here....i have and it helps. If anyone wants to talk in private, DM me and i can try to offer advice or point you in the direction of good organisations.

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Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Shropshire Blue on May 08, 2017, 09:49:42 PM
its Mental Health Awareness Week. Hope if anyone is struggling then you can talk to people in your life. If not, talk here....i have and it helps. If anyone wants to talk in private, DM me and i can try to offer advice or point you in the direction of good organisations.

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I think being pointed 'in the right direction' is what so many people need and not just the person suffering from the illness. I was always conscious that if someone had a mental health issue then often the family suffered from it. For most challenges we meet in life we have already acquired enough knowledge from all sorts of sources about where to go for help but you see very little about early intervention in mental health and you can feel very lost and alone at the very point you need a bit of TLC and pointing in the right direction.
I've been pleasantly surprised at how understanding people are on here. I've also thought that it must be quite illuminating for those who have not suffered from it to hear of real experiences.
There's definitely room on here for a 'Talk to Aunty Audrey' forum! ☺
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: MrWhite on May 09, 2017, 10:29:36 PM
Best wishes Aaron. Mental health issues are like demons, and it's high time society quit with burning them for being possessed.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: MrWhite on May 09, 2017, 10:47:08 PM
I don't know if it works like that because the outside world is secondary to what is happening in your head (speaking of depression) - but I guess you're right in that positive shows of support probably won't hurt.

What happens in your head is often due to your perceptions of the outside world, so it is often the unexpected shows of support that help the most.
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: SteB on May 15, 2017, 07:22:14 AM
Nice touch from Spurs fans...

https://www.balls.ie/football/aaron-lennon-365014
Title: Re: Aaron Lennon
Post by: Toddacelli on May 15, 2017, 03:43:12 PM
Really nice that.

Any updates on his situation?