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May 18, 2017, 04:54:28 PM
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BlueNoseMike


Yes, I agree they're not at the top table, but they're quite a way ahead of us.

I believe that they are a bit of an anomaly for wages/finances, if we offered 150k a week for someone they'd take home around 75k after tax?, Monaco can offer 90k a week and they'd take home pretty much all of it? So the players would earn more, whilst the club pays out significantly less

And yes the delusional comment was a bit harsh!  :cheers:

I forgot about the wages and tax thing. Maybe this time next year if they go backwards, which is very possible, and we go forwards (closer to top 6, good showing in europe) we can be on a more level footing


May 18, 2017, 04:59:04 PM
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Macca77


Surely we're a more attractive outfit than the Milan clubs, they've been on the decline for a while now

May 18, 2017, 05:03:04 PM
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Lxxx


I suppose when you put it like that you make a point. They're a bit like Atletico and Dortmund (and others like Liverpool and Spurs) in the sense that they inbetween our level and the top level in terms of attaining the names.

My thinking was that they have yet to establish themselves as on a level with Atletico and Dortmund, in terms of competing at the top end over a longer period of time, and are likely to have their team dismantled this summer. I can't find figures for this year but last year we had a higher wage bill than them, which would suggest we can compete financially with them as well.

I think it's harsh to call it delusional but can see the point you're making

Being a slightly above average team in a big league isn't really that much more of a draw than being a bigger fish in a smaller league.
Footballers want to win things, play in European competitions and preferably live in a nice area in the sun with a decent pay packet. Doesn't everyone? We can't offer any of that and until next season haven't needed to ask them to dust off their passports either. It's why it'll be much easier buying from other Premier League clubs than abroad, albeit a lot more expensive.


May 18, 2017, 05:04:58 PM
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formerKHL


weird thread this....

on the bad side...we're talking about "competing" on a financial basis and not in a footballing on the field sense....

the good side...we're actually talking again about being financially able to compete with these sides....where we haven't been able to in the past...

for me the decision would/should always lie with the footballing side...can we compete on the field with these teams...

and therein lies the catch 22

May 18, 2017, 05:06:04 PM
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MartinezsLeftTeste


Surely we're a more attractive outfit than the Milan clubs, they've been on the decline for a while now


Massive takeovers at both. It's wait and see but they might be PSG/Man City rich now. Both are currently shite though

May 18, 2017, 05:06:40 PM
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weird thread this....

on the bad side...we're talking about "competing" on a financial basis and not in a footballing on the field sense....

the good side...we're actually talking again about being financially able to compete with these sides....where we haven't been able to in the past...

for me the decision would/should always lie with the footballing side...can we compete on the field with these teams...

and therein lies the catch 22

At least we're now down to 22
"I would never die for my beliefs...because I might be wrong"


May 18, 2017, 05:08:29 PM
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Lxxx


Also hasn't the tax thing with Monaco changed. Wasn't there complaints from other French clubs that it wasn't a level playing field

I don't see how it can. It's a tax haven and it's the only reason it exists, apart from the Grimaldi family who are up to their eyes in it all anyway.
France has always been a socialist nightmare, it's no wonder anyone with any cash decides to bugger off.

May 18, 2017, 05:09:02 PM
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May 18, 2017, 05:09:10 PM
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MartinezsLeftTeste


I don't think footballers give a shit about playing in the champions league. It's more competing in it. I don't think it's that we are better than Porto or benfica and their like but more we have more worldwide coverage so might be a stepping stone to the teams above us while earning twice as much

May 18, 2017, 05:15:46 PM
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I don't see how it can. It's a tax haven and it's the only reason it exists, apart from the Grimaldi family who are up to their eyes in it all anyway.
France has always been a socialist nightmare, it's no wonder anyone with any cash decides to bugger off.

Found some old articles saying they paid the French league 50 million after complaints from other teams about it. Something else saying the courts overturned it. Everything is over 2 years old so I'm not sure what the situation is now. There was talk of them being kicked out of the league because of it though

May 18, 2017, 05:20:38 PM
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Lxxx


Found some old articles saying they paid the French league 50 million after complaints from other teams about it. Something else saying the courts overturned it. Everything is over 2 years old so I'm not sure what the situation is now. There was talk of them being kicked out of the league because of it though

I do seem to remember them paying a bung so they could remain in the league as well. They can't reform their tax laws otherwise everyone would disappear and they'd get swallowed up into France and become coastal city over-run with migrants in no time.

Anyway, if I got offered the chance to live and work there for a few years or move to us I think I'd be tempted to go there too.

May 18, 2017, 05:24:30 PM
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I don't think footballers give a shit about playing in the champions league. It's more competing in it. I don't think it's that we are better than Porto or benfica and their like but more we have more worldwide coverage so might be a stepping stone to the teams above us while earning twice as much

A player saying they want to play in the Champions League is just a polite way of saying "I want to earn as much money as possible". I doubt there's many of the big names in China missing a cold snowing night in Zenit. :)

May 18, 2017, 05:30:50 PM
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formerKHL


I do seem to remember them paying a bung so they could remain in the league as well. They can't reform their tax laws otherwise everyone would disappear and they'd get swallowed up into France and become coastal city over-run with migrants in no time.

Anyway, if I got offered the chance to live and work there for a few years or move to us I think I'd be tempted to go there too.

if you've ever been there you may change your mind..looks great on telly..get away from harbour it's just another town....

May 18, 2017, 05:39:31 PM
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Lxxx


if you've ever been there you may change your mind..looks great on telly..get away from harbour it's just another town....

You do know you're not confined to Monaco 24 hours a day if you live there? I've been to the Grand Prix a few times and spent time along the French coast. Lovely part of the world. Apart from Marseille, didn't feel too welcoming there although that is quite a way along.

May 18, 2017, 05:42:45 PM
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Robioto


Without looking at what everyone else has said, in my opinion:

ENGLAND:
Chelsea
Manchester United
Mancheser City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Tottenham Hotspur

FRANCE:
Paris St. Germain
Monaco

GERMANY:
Borussia Dortmund
Bayern Munich

ITALY:
Juventus
AS Roma
Napoli
AC Milan
Inter Milan

PORTUGAL:
FC Porto
Benfica

SPAIN:
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Atletico Madrid
Sevilla

These are the teams which in my opinion are definately ahead of us and players would pick over us in most cases. Then there are other teams like Ajax, Lyon, Nice, Lazio, Valencia, Villarreal, Sporting, Marseille, Schalke, Shakhtar Donetsk and many many more who we are compteing with who are likely to still be a more attractive in a lot of cases. In fact we aren't even on level with these yet as we have done pretty much nothing in Europe in the past 5 years, all these teams and many more have. Stature wise we have a lot of catching up to do before we can even think about competing with the mega clubs listed above.

I think we are kidding ourselves if we think we will be challenging the top teams in England anytime soon unless we have an amazing season and fast track into the Champions League. Even then players will fear us being a one season wonder like Leicester.

The overarching point is that it takes time. I believe that with the current setup we have we will get there eventually but we have an extremely long way to go. The chances of us seriously competing with the clubs listed above with both signings and how we perform in the next 3-5 years on a regular basis is very very unlikely. It's all about small steps, clever management of the scouting network, signings and youth development, the days of doing what Man City and Chelsea did are over. We have to play the long (or mid) game.
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