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November 10, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
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boothill


Is it wrong that I'm a little concerned that he includes Liverpool City Council when he says they're looking at designs????
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November 10, 2017, 01:44:19 PM
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Is it wrong that I'm a little concerned that he includes Liverpool City Council when he says they're looking at designs????

It worries me too that we may get purple wheelie bins lolol

November 10, 2017, 01:55:39 PM
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There are actual plans out there that show a phased redevelopment would only take 8 years if we did it slowly due to finances.

Each stand could be done in 12 months, in fact.

The plans were drawn up by the person who designed the redevelopment of St James' Park if anyone wants to go toe to toe with him on architectural merit?


November 10, 2017, 02:05:28 PM
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I've been for a new stadium almost since I started posting. I see the argument for turning it into a living museum, but as soon as you start to upgrade, you'd have to make changes not in keeping with design. It might not be the same Goodison if you changed everything in one go, over years it would cost more and be harder to move pitch. I wanted to stay, until I struggled to come up with or see anything that made any sense. Costs would have been comparable to a new stadium, still limitations and an awkward design.

From a refurb you're looking about 5% increase, new stadium closer to 13%, better sponsorship deals and more corporate facilities. Just like every player becomes too old, you sometimes have to know when to embrace the unknown future, rather than cling to the warmth of familiarity and memories of the past. As harsh as it sounds, its no longer fit for purpose. If we genuinely harbour ambition, we have to find a modern stadium to be able to compete.

A lot of things the club does so well and is taken for granted is BK. Keep him away from deals with NTL, but he genuinely loves the club. The memorials, the gestures, the charitable work, the heart in the right place stuff. I have no worries about him listening to fans and trying to give fans an experience, theatrical productions, he's very good.

With Moshiri, things have been more enhanced than rewritten, that new cladding is exquisite, struggling to find something to grumble about in terms of identity. He was with Arsenal when they went into new stadium, USM is a steel company, so experience, contacts and network should be better than expected. He's spending a lot of cash for others to make mistakes

In terms of botching the job or commercialising the club, it would ruin their asset at the end of the day. We're pretty much setting fire to money, but pretty good on tickets prices and community stuff, more money comes from broadcasting rights. We are beaten by 4x 5x on matchday revenue. I've always read good things about what we do in hospitality.

It's going to be much better than potential Kings Dock stadium and on different planet to shed in Kirkby.

I agree with much said here although my initial standpoint was different.

When we were talking about the Tesco Stadium my vote was for firmly staying put. I was not inspired by anything to do with that project other than a possible financial upgrade if the Everton fan Tesco owner became more involved with the club.

Once the vote was in, it changed the way I looked at things. It was already decided that we were to get a new stadium so I looked at the situation once it became a reality (or so we thought) and I could see many positives in a new stadium and moving the club forward. However, I was still uninspired.

This move inspires me. I am excited about it. I am pleased we have had Goodison as long as we have but now really does seem like the time. I've not been inspired by any potential stadium move since Kings Dock. Maybe I just have a thing for dockers?

I don't know what I'm talking about anymore so... bye!
    

I'm only here for the cladding/Bramley Moore Dock updates

November 10, 2017, 02:07:07 PM
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There are actual plans out there that show a phased redevelopment would only take 8 years if we did it slowly due to finances.

Each stand could be done in 12 months, in fact.

The plans were drawn up by the person who designed the redevelopment of St James' Park if anyone wants to go toe to toe with him on architectural merit?
I heard something about this a while back, any links mate? was it Trevor Skempton? or something like that lol ,rubbish with names me.
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November 10, 2017, 02:07:15 PM
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Glory


Of course it could be done. However 8 years is a very very long time.

Would it make commercial sense? No.


November 10, 2017, 03:14:59 PM
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dangermouse


A lot of people in Denmark don't even know Everton are from Liverpool....

A lot of people don't know where Everton are from



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November 10, 2017, 04:51:44 PM
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Waltzer


Would people genuinely really rather develop Goodison than get a new stadium in an iconic position? If we break in down Goodison is what it is, a restricted building that really shows it ages, the infrastructure, surrounding are all dated, for me the new stadium in this location is 100000% a no brainer, im dumbfounded that others might think differently. People go on about atmosphere etc but if im being honest the last 10 or some times ive been its been pretty dead so that bit wont be hard to replicate. Yes there are games when it comes to life, but that will be the same wherever

November 10, 2017, 05:10:43 PM
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Would people genuinely really rather develop Goodison than get a new stadium in an iconic position? If we break in down Goodison is what it is, a restricted building that really shows it ages, the infrastructure, surrounding are all dated, for me the new stadium in this location is 100000% a no brainer, im dumbfounded that others might think differently. People go on about atmosphere etc but if im being honest the last 10 or some times ive been its been pretty dead so that bit wont be hard to replicate. Yes there are games when it comes to life, but that will be the same wherever

Sad to leave Goodison but i think it is the right thing to do
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November 10, 2017, 05:13:08 PM
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BlueForYou


Depends on what you want:-

To seriously compete and mean business, go with the times and move forward = new stadium

The alternative = stay put





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November 10, 2017, 05:20:29 PM
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Ross


The redevelopment arguments always make me think of this.

There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch.

November 10, 2017, 05:24:12 PM
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Macca77


We have to leave, sad but true

November 10, 2017, 06:19:33 PM
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boothill


I walk to goodison and ive staggered home from the bramley moore (never alone though, the dirty little bastard i was) so i already seem to have an affinity with the place. Stay or move, its a win win for me

November 10, 2017, 06:46:26 PM
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Bingham Boy


Would people genuinely really rather develop Goodison than get a new stadium in an iconic position? If we break in down Goodison is what it is, a restricted building that really shows it ages, the infrastructure, surrounding are all dated, for me the new stadium in this location is 100000% a no brainer, im dumbfounded that others might think differently. People go on about atmosphere etc but if im being honest the last 10 or some times ive been its been pretty dead so that bit wont be hard to replicate. Yes there are games when it comes to life, but that will be the same wherever

Bramley Moore has restricted space too.

The stadium is getting squeezed in by all accounts on a tight footprint.

The Dock itself is big, the area given for our stadium isn't.

November 10, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
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bigmanbob


Not sure why redevelopment is getting discussed? The club have confirmed we're moving and the council have also confirmed it