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August 18, 2016, 04:03:24 AM
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Again, good point - that lack of coeffiency has deterred the big players from signing. As i said though, if your a Championship player with teams looking at you even from the EPL - IF Celtic are in the CL Group Stage I know for a fact young hungry players and their agents are attracted by Celtic.

Sometimes @Gash premier league clubs ruin players - look at Aiden McGeady (!) and Liam Miller (Man Utd) and the best example is Tony Watt.

McGeady was never that good a player, looking good in the SPL massively clouds the judgement on him, he's pretty much looked completely out his depth since he came here. Liam Miller was never a Man Utd player and another who looked good in the SPL but struggled with the gulf in class. It was always a strange move that, saw the bright lights and left on a free only to become a journeyman which would suggest he wasn't good enough in the first place. Wasn't aware that Watt had played in the Premier League? He's dined out well on "that" goal but the fact he's back at Hearts would probably suggest he's Championship/League 1 standard at best.

It's all relevant though, it's a bit like a food chain, the Old Firm take young Scottish players then some of the Premier League clubs take the top Old Firm players but that's becoming few and far between these days. Scott Brown sums up the state of Scottish football, one of the top players there even though he's not very good and in his 30's now and never once been seriously linked with a big move.

On another point of interest Alan Stubbs did an amazing job at Hibs and is now at Rotheram, if he continues like that especially in a EPL job, future candidate for Everton hot seat?

No!

I don't think he did that well at Hibs, made a right mess of things a couple of times trying to get out the Championship, fair enough he won their first cup but the Premiership is where they need to be and he blew it twice.

August 18, 2016, 04:22:25 AM
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Liam Miller now plays in Australian, doesn't he?


August 18, 2016, 04:42:43 AM
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August 18, 2016, 04:45:19 AM
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« Last Edit: August 18, 2016, 04:45:33 AM by TheRam »

August 18, 2016, 05:14:54 AM
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Danny


I think Stubbs left because he knew he'd failed to get them promoted and would be sacked very quickly if they'd had a bad start in the Championship, much easier to jump ship after a fantastic moment than be pushed a few months later.

August 18, 2016, 09:18:13 AM
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I think Stubbs left because he knew he'd failed to get them promoted and would be sacked very quickly if they'd had a bad start in the Championship, much easier to jump ship after a fantastic moment than be pushed a few months later.

So why did Neil Lennon take the job then?


August 18, 2016, 09:26:40 AM
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McGeady was never that good a player, looking good in the SPL massively clouds the judgement on him, he's pretty much looked completely out his depth since he came here. Liam Miller was never a Man Utd player and another who looked good in the SPL but struggled with the gulf in class. It was always a strange move that, saw the bright lights and left on a free only to become a journeyman which would suggest he wasn't good enough in the first place. Wasn't aware that Watt had played in the Premier League? He's dined out well on "that" goal but the fact he's back at Hearts would probably suggest he's Championship/League 1 standard at best.

It's all relevant though, it's a bit like a food chain, the Old Firm take young Scottish players then some of the Premier League clubs take the top Old Firm players but that's becoming few and far between these days. Scott Brown sums up the state of Scottish football, one of the top players there even though he's not very good and in his 30's now and never once been seriously linked with a big move.

No!

I don't think he did that well at Hibs, made a right mess of things a couple of times trying to get out the Championship, fair enough he won their first cup but the Premiership is where they need to be and he blew it twice.


Do you think Rogers was a good choice for Celtic? @Gash - some Celtic fans where considering Stubbs as an ex player who at managerial level punched above his weight and seemed eager and ambitious. Do you think anybody (other than Hearts who did it) could beat Rangers to Division 1 last year? I have friends who support Hibs and as the 'other' irish/socialist club I have a lot of time for them and their tradition/supporters but Stubbs did a difficult job well and is now at Rotheram ironically signing a few scourers and creating a plan for progress

As for Rogers - do you agree like Shankly wasn't fitted to Huddersfield or Van Gaal to Man Utd they where still good managers and Rogers will kick away his Liverpool Hoodoo and resemble Martin O'Neil in taking Celtic back to regular CL Group/2nd Stage campaigns and domestic trebles?

As for Rangers - where do they need improving? Can you see them having a fast rise?

Is it fair that a Old Firm ticket at Celtic Park is DOUBLE the price of a regular ticket this season?

August 18, 2016, 03:15:57 PM
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So why did Neil Lennon take the job then?

I don't know what you're getting at?

Lennon will have taken the job because he will feel he could get them promoted first time because they're the biggest club in that division.

Stubbs had failed to get them promoted from it twice, even though he had to deal with Rangers and Hearts he almost definitely should have got them there last year.


August 18, 2016, 06:43:12 PM
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There's no way Stubbs will ever make the grade, I can't quite believe he left the Hibernian job smelling of roses just because he'd won the cup (some similarities with Martinez there).

Not getting promoted in the first season with Rangers and Hearts involved is absolutely fine but to lose to Falkirk in the play offs the following season is a disgrace really.

The way he's started at Rotherham suggests he won't be there much longer anyway.
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August 18, 2016, 08:56:45 PM
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Thomas


McGeady was never that good a player, looking good in the SPL massively clouds the judgement on him, he's pretty much looked completely out his depth since he came here. Liam Miller was never a Man Utd player and another who looked good in the SPL but struggled with the gulf in class. It was always a strange move that, saw the bright lights and left on a free only to become a journeyman which would suggest he wasn't good enough in the first place. Wasn't aware that Watt had played in the Premier League? He's dined out well on "that" goal but the fact he's back at Hearts would probably suggest he's Championship/League 1 standard at best.

It's all relevant though, it's a bit like a food chain, the Old Firm take young Scottish players then some of the Premier League clubs take the top Old Firm players but that's becoming few and far between these days. Scott Brown sums up the state of Scottish football, one of the top players there even though he's not very good and in his 30's now and never once been seriously linked with a big move.

No!

I don't think he did that well at Hibs, made a right mess of things a couple of times trying to get out the Championship, fair enough he won their first cup but the Premiership is where they need to be and he blew it twice.


Who was the Everton Academy player who went on to play for Forrest - Fox? Liam? He got ruined at Celtic too. Strachan signed him.

August 18, 2016, 09:24:03 PM
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Who was the Everton Academy player who went on to play for Forrest - Fox? Liam? He got ruined at Celtic too. Strachan signed him.

Danny Fox wasn't it?

August 19, 2016, 01:55:10 AM
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Mayor Farnum


So why did Neil Lennon take the job then?

Because that's his level.

August 19, 2016, 02:42:33 AM
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Thomas


Because that's his level.

Managed in the Champions League, beat top teams, yet Scottish Championship is his level?

(Yes he was shit at Bolton but they where in administration)

August 19, 2016, 02:47:39 AM
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Mayor Farnum


Managed in the Champions League, beat top teams, yet Scottish Championship is his level?

(Yes he was shit at Bolton but they where in administration)

Managed in the Champions League by default. Free pass into Europe every year for Celtic. You simply can't judge a manager's credentials by what they do at Celtic or Rangers. After all Graeme Souness is the closest thing any old Firm manager has come to success in England.

August 19, 2016, 03:11:19 AM
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@Thomas

Can I ask why you have such an interest in Scottish football??

As @Gash has already pointed out (as if it needed to be) it's a fucking awful standard of football.
Stealth ya flaming galargh!!!