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Title: Bolasie
Post by: Toffee1 on June 13, 2018, 08:01:03 PM
https://turkish-football.com/everton-hold-talks-with-turkish-giants-fenerbahce-after-receiving-offer-for-yannick-bolasie/
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: kramer0 on June 13, 2018, 08:17:01 PM
Turkey: The New Sunderland
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 13, 2018, 08:30:19 PM
Loan deal? No thanks
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: TheTone on June 13, 2018, 09:12:41 PM
The vulture funds of football pounce again
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: SteB on June 13, 2018, 09:38:56 PM
Turkey: The New Sunderland

Tickled me that...
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: sam of the south on June 13, 2018, 10:09:27 PM
Turkish clubs and ‘loan moves with a view to buy’ should not even be entertained
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: dunkster on June 13, 2018, 10:20:54 PM
I keep reading on those that Everton want loan deals instead. Klaasen and Bolasie
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2018, 10:33:13 PM
I keep reading on those that Everton want loan deals instead. Klaasen and Bolasie

Dude, you need to stop reading stuff, because you don't appear to have the ability to decode it, or read between the lines.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: dunkster on June 13, 2018, 10:41:11 PM
Dude, you need to stop reading stuff, because you don't appear to have the ability to decode it, or read between the lines.

True. I'll stop reading anything and let you tell me whats going on.
What makes you think I believe All I read??
All I said is that their reports on klaasen and Bolasie is that we APPARENTLY are seeking loans.
Believe it or don't believe it.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: blue slug on June 13, 2018, 10:55:01 PM
fuck loan deals with Turkish clubs
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: van der Meyde on June 14, 2018, 01:08:18 AM
Is there a "creative accounting" benefit from sending players like that out on loan? As in selling them when their book values has reduced due to amortisation, so the trading loss isn't as great?

I can't be arsed working out the numbers.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 14, 2018, 01:15:40 AM
Cash ONLY for BOLASIE. Klassen I'd consider a loan but at the end of the day is it to give him game time in the hope he improves, which is a gamble as Turkish football isn't the prem? If we intend to move him on then SELL him. I still think he's decent but was never going to fit in with negative game plans because he's not built for it.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2018, 01:39:55 AM
True. I'll stop reading anything and let you tell me whats going on.
What makes you think I believe All I read??
All I said is that their reports on klaasen and Bolasie is that we APPARENTLY are seeking loans.
Believe it or don't believe it.

Just stop being such a stresshead.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 01:41:32 AM
The good thing is if we sell Bolasie we can almost entirely reduce our team down to walking pace.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Silas on June 14, 2018, 01:48:35 AM
The good thing is if we sell Bolasie we can almost entirely reduce our team down to walking pace.

Walking football champions 2018
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Topper on June 14, 2018, 02:27:21 AM
Signing Tosun was the deal of the century to raise our profile in Turkey and make them aware we have a lot of deadwood to get rid of. Clear masterstroke by messrs  Walsh and Allardyce, always thinking ahead for the benefit of our club  :whistle:
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Goaljira on June 14, 2018, 03:33:26 AM
Is there a "creative accounting" benefit from sending players like that out on loan? As in selling them when their book values has reduced due to amortisation, so the trading loss isn't as great?

I can't be arsed working out the numbers.

I was trying to work that out the other day when the Klaassen links came about.

Klaassens book value this summer would be £18m.  It'd be a pretty heavy hit to the FFP allowance if we only got say £12m for him, but loaning him for 2 years his value would only be £6m and we'd either break even selling him cheap, or even make a profit if he does okay?  This is all on paper for FFP reasons though because in reality we'd be losing more money that if we sold him now, and thats what i don't understand about FFP that in order to protect clubs from doing a Leeds the new rules make it more complicated to not lose money than to lose it?

Bolasie's book value on the other hand should only be about £10m this year, and i'd be amazed if we couldnt sell him for that?
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: GLewis on June 14, 2018, 03:38:15 AM
Is there a "creative accounting" benefit from sending players like that out on loan? As in selling them when their book values has reduced due to amortisation, so the trading loss isn't as great?

I can't be arsed working out the numbers.

Yeah there would be from a FFP point if view, providing you got the same fee in 1 or 2 years time.

In the real world the cash figure is still the most important bit.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: van der Meyde on June 14, 2018, 04:07:04 AM
Yeah there would be from a FFP point if view, providing you got the same fee in 1 or 2 years time.

In the real world the cash figure is still the most important bit.
Because that's the actual revenue/cash flow, which is presumably the be all and end all?

Does any profit on the book value get classed as revenue in addition to that? I'm assuming not?
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: GLewis on June 14, 2018, 04:16:01 AM
Because that's the actual revenue/cash flow, which is presumably the be all and end all?

Does any profit on the book value get classed as revenue in addition to that? I'm assuming not?

Yeah revenue figure is the gross cash income amount.

Profit is that less the carrying value of the individual player.

So Klaassen now would be worth £20m carrying value (rough figures of £25m/5 year deal) so anything less than that (say 15m) would result in a loss on the trade.

Keeping him for 2 years and selling for 15m would see a further 10m depreciation (so carrying value of £10m) so we’d see a profIt of £5m.

Obviously there’d be wage cost impacts too. 
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 04:47:50 AM
Just stop being such a stresshead.

How am I stress head?
I merely said parts I've read, it doesn't mean I believe them, I don't pretend it's just my opinion or that Its factual knowledge. You come out with shit like ' I gotta stop reading stuff cos I don't have the ability to decode stuff and read between the lines etc. Like I'm some sort of ten year old school kid.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2018, 04:57:38 AM
To quote Randolph and Mortimer Duke "sell sell sell!"
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2018, 04:58:50 AM
How am I stress head?
I merely said parts I've read, it doesn't mean I believe them, I don't pretend it's just my opinion or that Its factual knowledge. You come out with shit like ' I gotta stop reading stuff cos I don't have the ability to decode stuff and read between the lines etc. Like I'm some sort of ten year old school kid.


That's quite a stressy response to be fair.

All I'm saying is that you're one of the only people on the site going on about 'we've got to sell to buy' stuff and that's clearly not the case. Chill out. Brands and Co have got it, and if they fuck up or there's some evidence that we're operating like that, we'll all criticise them together.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 11, 2018, 05:55:58 PM
Fener are currently in talks with the Blues but are determined to wrap up a deal for the player.

The former Crystal Palace star returned from a nasty knee injury last season but failed to find consistency in his 17 appearances under former boss Sam Allardyce.

The Turkish side are keen to wrap up several deals before the start of their Champions League play-off campaign, and new manager Phillip Cocu - who worked with Everton director of football Marcel Brands at PSV - looks keen on Bolasie.

A Spor believe former Besiktas forward Cenk Tosun has offered the 29-year-old advice on moving to his home country and has encouraged the move.

Fenerbahce are reportedly keen on a season-long loan deal.

Turkish outlet Takvim - via Sport Witness - believe Fenerbahce have upped their offer for Yannick Bolasie.

The Yellow Canaries were initially claimed to have offered the Blues £1.5m to take the winger on loan for the season, but the source now believes they’ve doubled their opening gambit.

Manager Phillip Cocu is said to be keen to work with Bolasie and former Liverpool sporting director Damien Comolli - who now operates in the same role for Fenerbahce - is leading negotiations with the Toffees.

The Turkish outfit are said to be keen on having a clause inserted into the deal which would allow them to retain Bolasie’s services on a permanent basis should he impress.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2018, 06:11:44 PM
3 million for a season long loan, wonder if he needs any help packing
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2018, 06:18:16 PM
What a terrible fucking purchase in the light of day that was
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: blargins on July 11, 2018, 06:19:17 PM
3 mill for the season and all wages paid would be sufficient I think. We're going to lose money on him, so if he picks up some form (which he should in an inferior league), we might be able to get 10 mill at the end of the day.

Shame it didn't work out, but he was never what we needed in the first place.

Great smile and attitude though.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Bluenose 91 on July 11, 2018, 06:19:26 PM
Feel sorry for him with the timing of the injury and that but yeah probably best he moves on.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: TheRam on July 11, 2018, 06:23:59 PM
What a terrible fucking purchase in the light of day that was

I was fuming with this deal from day one.

Do think he could’ve been useful before the injury but even then he was never that good.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2018, 06:34:13 PM
I was fuming with this deal from day one.

Do think he could’ve been useful before the injury but even then he was never that good.

Yeah I’ve actually always liked him as an exciting player who can get you off your feet, and (as long as his knee isn’t goosed) he could still do the job of an outlet on the break.

But when you take everything into account, it was money we should have spent elsewhere on someone younger with a higher ceiling and a better sell on value, clearly previous regimes were not interested in that at all.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2018, 06:36:15 PM
We'll be lucky to get any kind of fee for him in another 12 months. I'll be surprised if they take up any clause as I can't see him actually doing much with his career from here on in. He wasn't great at his best and he's completely ineffective most of the time. Bonkers signing.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: blargins on July 11, 2018, 06:42:39 PM
We'll be lucky to get any kind of fee for him in another 12 months. I'll be surprised if they take up any clause as I can't see him actually doing much with his career from here on in. He wasn't great at his best and he's completely ineffective most of the time. Bonkers signing.

You can't see him doing well in Turkey? Think he'll have a better chance of form there than here.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 11, 2018, 06:43:10 PM
Don’t particularly rate him but there are others I’d rather see leave first.

£3m would barely cover our contribution to Koeman’s wages. Lack of depth out wide starts putting a lot of pressure on Vlasic and Lookman to contribute...and Brands to deliver a winger good enough to start.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2018, 06:49:34 PM
You can't see him doing well in Turkey? Think he'll have a better chance of form there than here.

I don't disagree he'll probably do better in an inferior league but as a player I just don't see what he offers anymore. His pace seemed to have gone last season, his ability/confidence to take a player on had disappeared and he slowed the game down to walking pace when he got it, before cutting back onto his right foot to whip balls in once everyone had got set.

Think we'll have to take a very big hit on him.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 11, 2018, 06:51:12 PM
Awful signing at the time
Be decent player if he didn't try to piss ball around and do that trick that everyone sees coming
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Ramjam on July 11, 2018, 06:54:44 PM
Awful signing at the time
Be decent player if he didn't try to piss ball around and do that trick that everyone sees coming
Stevie Wonder would see that trick coming
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
We're gonna have to take hits of a number of players, financially, if we're going to move them on.

People have complained that we haven't moved people on, and people have complained that we're losing out financially in moving some people on. Brands has to make hard-nosed decisions, and minimise the damage of the previous regime (not sure anything Steve Walsh was involved with could be legitimately described as a 'regime').

Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 11, 2018, 07:04:55 PM
Whether he’s actually lost his pace or was just psychologically scarred from his injury and didn’t have the confidence in his knee, who knows. I still don’t see the point in shipping him out unless there is a tangible, financial benefit in doing so.

Still think he might offer something in Marco’s preferred 433 where he doesn’t spend the majority of his time in the fullback position and can concentrate his game in the opposition third.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: blargins on July 11, 2018, 07:08:23 PM
I don't disagree he'll probably do better in an inferior league but as a player I just don't see what he offers anymore. His pace seemed to have gone last season, his ability/confidence to take a player on had disappeared and he slowed the game down to walking pace when he got it, before cutting back onto his right foot to whip balls in once everyone had got set.

Think we'll have to take a very big hit on him.

I agree, we'll take a big hit on him. I think that was certain the moment he had his injury.

However, 3 mill and him off the wage bill is something, and as I say, he'll have a better chance to impress in a lesser league which may help us get 10 mill for him or so, next summer.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: kramer0 on July 11, 2018, 07:24:41 PM
I feel for him. He worked hard to scrap his way up to the top from the Maltese league and English lower leagues and picked up a bad injury in what was probably the best moment of his career, using his pace and power to bother fullbacks and creating about one good chance per match Lukaku.

It was a poor deal for us, though. His best was never enough to justify the price tag and we bought him at an age where wide players tend to decline physically and lose some of their effectiveness (injuries aside).

It’s no fault of Bolasie’s that he was the wrong player for us. I wish him the best wherever he goes.