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Title: Bolasie
Post by: Toffee1 on June 13, 2018, 08:01:03 PM
https://turkish-football.com/everton-hold-talks-with-turkish-giants-fenerbahce-after-receiving-offer-for-yannick-bolasie/
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: kramer0 on June 13, 2018, 08:17:01 PM
Turkey: The New Sunderland
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 13, 2018, 08:30:19 PM
Loan deal? No thanks
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: TheTone on June 13, 2018, 09:12:41 PM
The vulture funds of football pounce again
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: SteB on June 13, 2018, 09:38:56 PM
Turkey: The New Sunderland

Tickled me that...
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: sam of the south on June 13, 2018, 10:09:27 PM
Turkish clubs and ‘loan moves with a view to buy’ should not even be entertained
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: dunkster on June 13, 2018, 10:20:54 PM
I keep reading on those that Everton want loan deals instead. Klaasen and Bolasie
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2018, 10:33:13 PM
I keep reading on those that Everton want loan deals instead. Klaasen and Bolasie

Dude, you need to stop reading stuff, because you don't appear to have the ability to decode it, or read between the lines.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: dunkster on June 13, 2018, 10:41:11 PM
Dude, you need to stop reading stuff, because you don't appear to have the ability to decode it, or read between the lines.

True. I'll stop reading anything and let you tell me whats going on.
What makes you think I believe All I read??
All I said is that their reports on klaasen and Bolasie is that we APPARENTLY are seeking loans.
Believe it or don't believe it.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: blue slug on June 13, 2018, 10:55:01 PM
fuck loan deals with Turkish clubs
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: van der Meyde on June 14, 2018, 01:08:18 AM
Is there a "creative accounting" benefit from sending players like that out on loan? As in selling them when their book values has reduced due to amortisation, so the trading loss isn't as great?

I can't be arsed working out the numbers.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 14, 2018, 01:15:40 AM
Cash ONLY for BOLASIE. Klassen I'd consider a loan but at the end of the day is it to give him game time in the hope he improves, which is a gamble as Turkish football isn't the prem? If we intend to move him on then SELL him. I still think he's decent but was never going to fit in with negative game plans because he's not built for it.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2018, 01:39:55 AM
True. I'll stop reading anything and let you tell me whats going on.
What makes you think I believe All I read??
All I said is that their reports on klaasen and Bolasie is that we APPARENTLY are seeking loans.
Believe it or don't believe it.

Just stop being such a stresshead.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 01:41:32 AM
The good thing is if we sell Bolasie we can almost entirely reduce our team down to walking pace.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Silas on June 14, 2018, 01:48:35 AM
The good thing is if we sell Bolasie we can almost entirely reduce our team down to walking pace.

Walking football champions 2018
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Topper on June 14, 2018, 02:27:21 AM
Signing Tosun was the deal of the century to raise our profile in Turkey and make them aware we have a lot of deadwood to get rid of. Clear masterstroke by messrs  Walsh and Allardyce, always thinking ahead for the benefit of our club  :whistle:
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Goaljira on June 14, 2018, 03:33:26 AM
Is there a "creative accounting" benefit from sending players like that out on loan? As in selling them when their book values has reduced due to amortisation, so the trading loss isn't as great?

I can't be arsed working out the numbers.

I was trying to work that out the other day when the Klaassen links came about.

Klaassens book value this summer would be £18m.  It'd be a pretty heavy hit to the FFP allowance if we only got say £12m for him, but loaning him for 2 years his value would only be £6m and we'd either break even selling him cheap, or even make a profit if he does okay?  This is all on paper for FFP reasons though because in reality we'd be losing more money that if we sold him now, and thats what i don't understand about FFP that in order to protect clubs from doing a Leeds the new rules make it more complicated to not lose money than to lose it?

Bolasie's book value on the other hand should only be about £10m this year, and i'd be amazed if we couldnt sell him for that?
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: GLewis on June 14, 2018, 03:38:15 AM
Is there a "creative accounting" benefit from sending players like that out on loan? As in selling them when their book values has reduced due to amortisation, so the trading loss isn't as great?

I can't be arsed working out the numbers.

Yeah there would be from a FFP point if view, providing you got the same fee in 1 or 2 years time.

In the real world the cash figure is still the most important bit.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: van der Meyde on June 14, 2018, 04:07:04 AM
Yeah there would be from a FFP point if view, providing you got the same fee in 1 or 2 years time.

In the real world the cash figure is still the most important bit.
Because that's the actual revenue/cash flow, which is presumably the be all and end all?

Does any profit on the book value get classed as revenue in addition to that? I'm assuming not?
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: GLewis on June 14, 2018, 04:16:01 AM
Because that's the actual revenue/cash flow, which is presumably the be all and end all?

Does any profit on the book value get classed as revenue in addition to that? I'm assuming not?

Yeah revenue figure is the gross cash income amount.

Profit is that less the carrying value of the individual player.

So Klaassen now would be worth £20m carrying value (rough figures of £25m/5 year deal) so anything less than that (say 15m) would result in a loss on the trade.

Keeping him for 2 years and selling for 15m would see a further 10m depreciation (so carrying value of £10m) so we’d see a profIt of £5m.

Obviously there’d be wage cost impacts too. 
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 04:47:50 AM
Just stop being such a stresshead.

How am I stress head?
I merely said parts I've read, it doesn't mean I believe them, I don't pretend it's just my opinion or that Its factual knowledge. You come out with shit like ' I gotta stop reading stuff cos I don't have the ability to decode stuff and read between the lines etc. Like I'm some sort of ten year old school kid.
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2018, 04:57:38 AM
To quote Randolph and Mortimer Duke "sell sell sell!"
Title: Re: Bolasie
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2018, 04:58:50 AM
How am I stress head?
I merely said parts I've read, it doesn't mean I believe them, I don't pretend it's just my opinion or that Its factual knowledge. You come out with shit like ' I gotta stop reading stuff cos I don't have the ability to decode stuff and read between the lines etc. Like I'm some sort of ten year old school kid.


That's quite a stressy response to be fair.

All I'm saying is that you're one of the only people on the site going on about 'we've got to sell to buy' stuff and that's clearly not the case. Chill out. Brands and Co have got it, and if they fuck up or there's some evidence that we're operating like that, we'll all criticise them together.