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November 14, 2017, 07:20:29 PM
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He's got a little more of a track record than Martinez ever had.

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November 14, 2017, 07:25:47 PM
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I'm not happy with us signing Silva until I see a YouTube mad skillz and trix 2017 video.
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November 14, 2017, 07:31:18 PM
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Martinez comparisons are incredibly lazy.

Don't knock extreme laziness. It's an art form that takes a phenomenal amount of time and effort to perfect.


November 14, 2017, 07:45:34 PM
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I would be quite thrilled if we ended up landing my original voted-for candidate.

MUCH better than the 2016 elections, mind...
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November 14, 2017, 08:47:57 PM
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Funny, I did look on Wiki. Nothing exciting to see there at all. Just didn't go beyond that.

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November 14, 2017, 10:00:40 PM
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I'm going to back up @Blargins here, Martinez was hot property when he left Wigan, despite having taken them down. He turned down the RS the summer before.

Silva seems to have had some success in other leagues previously, but it's as good as irrelevant when you come to the PL. There are plenty of good managers who have come here and failed because they can't adapt to the league - as there are players.

Martinez had won the FA Cup and despite seeing Wigan relegated, it was seen as a miracle he kept them up for so long. When he joined us, his first season was phen....great, but he took over a very good squad and made some very good late acquisitions. After that, he turned it to shit.

Silva took a struggling Hull down but was commended because it was almost nailed on (despite being only 2 points from safety when he took over, I think I read before) and they had fought more than people expected. He's made a good start with Watford but they have been a bit flimsy at times this season already.

I don't think you have to analyse many stats to see that Silva would be closer to Martinez in approach than the more pragmatic Allardyce and Dyche. But I think the similarity is more in the 'flavour of the month' kind of appointment, when there isn't much to back it up, rather than saying they're both young, Iberian managers who don't park 10 men behind the ball.


November 14, 2017, 10:02:37 PM
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Of course it may all be bollocks and we are wasting our key depressions.

November 14, 2017, 10:39:05 PM
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Here's a good article for those of you interested:

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/02/16/tactical-philosophy-marco-silva/

I see a lot of positives:

- It seems like his primary focus is to improve his players' understanding of the game in training, giving them a lot of freedom to make decisions on their own during matches. That's music to my ears.

- The work he's done with a poor Hull squad and a pretty average Watford squad suggests that he's adaptable (which makes sense based on the previous). So he can probably work with the poorly constructed mess we have.

- He cares about defensive organization. I like the 4-1-4-1 defensive configuration for the players we have. And I like the stuff about positioning players meticulously in training. We have quite a few players on our books who would improve massively if they learned proper defensive positioning.

- He knows how to coach a counter-attack. In the past three plus seasons, our best football has come on the break, so that seems sensible (although counter-attacking monster Romelu Lukaku probably had a fair bit to do with that). Vlasic, Lookman, Sandro, Niasse, and Calvert-Lewin have their flaws but there's enough pace and skill in that group to fashion a decent counter. And if Barkley comes back and can be convinced to sign a new deal... he's always had the potential to destroy teams on the break.

Question Marks:

- Is there any strategy for playing against fixed defenses? Olympiacos are the best team in Greece and his approach was to counter. So we might find ourselves in trouble against super-organized low blocks.

- His defensive record at Watford and Hull isn't that impressive (whether you look at goals conceded or, if you're into football analytics, expected goals conceded) so who knows how much the alleged focus on defensive organization really counts. Player quality makes either measure a bit noisy, though.

- I don't know how he is with academy players. Not that this is 100% essential but we have a lot of promising players coming through (Davies, Baningime, Kenny, Dowell, Walsh, etc.) and it would be nice to have someone in charge who can work with them.

- I don't know how he is in terms of fitness. Koeman was generally underwhelming but he got a lot of mileage out of keeping us fit and winning points late in games. The same was true for Moyes (the fitness part). One of the things I hated most about Martinez was that we ran out of steam after 60 minutes way too often, which wasted a lot of good work we did in the first halves of matches. I'm not sure I could handle that again, in the event that that's what Silva is like. With all of that said, his fitness training is probably fine.

There's a lot to like but there's no way he's worth that much (the rumoured compensation or likely salary, i.e. what Koeman was on). Kind of like the Gylfi Sigurdsson of managers. Although, in Silva's case, he actually fills an area of genuine need, so I think it's a little more justified if he's who we really want.

So... mixed feelings about this. I don't hate it but I'm not totally sold either. Although, to be fair, in our current position, I don't think we're capable of finding someone who ticks all the boxes.
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November 15, 2017, 02:23:14 AM
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I havenít a clue whether heíd be a good appointment or not and neither does anyone else really. Any appointment is an improvement at this stage, we need someone to start putting down some roots now.

November 15, 2017, 02:29:53 AM
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November 15, 2017, 02:35:17 AM
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The fact he moves around so much is disconcerting. We really need stability right now. Sean Dyche would provide that.

But I donít think he is right for the club either.
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November 15, 2017, 02:37:00 AM
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Let's go for a Dyche/Silva double act.
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November 15, 2017, 02:40:08 AM
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November 15, 2017, 02:50:44 AM
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Genuinely don't get why people are remotely arsed about the cost. Even without Moshiri, all Prem teams are rolling in money. It's the most important position at the club. Whether people want Silva or not is a matter of personal opinion, but if that's who we want...pay it. If it's the right appointment he'll cover those costs a dozen times over, and more.
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November 15, 2017, 03:04:47 AM
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Wrd and another poster on tef pretty much saying it's a matter of time or more importantly once we offer the correct amount he will be here


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