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Title: Deadwood Left
Post by: blargins on October 06, 2020, 05:51:11 AM
Tosun
Bolasie
Besic

Who else?


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: irishtoffee on October 06, 2020, 05:55:33 AM
Pennington to go and Beni needs a loan at least
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Robioto on October 06, 2020, 05:55:47 AM
Tosun
Bolasie
Besic

Who else?


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That might be it... Bloody hell, this list was 10-12 players long 2 years ago. Amazing progress.

I know some will say Delph, Sigurdsson, Davies and the like, but in reality they have apart to play this season and are not deadwood in my opinion. But we are now in a position where we can improve 3-4 players a year and slowly develop the squad, while replacing the aforementioned when we can, into what Moshiri's, Brands' and Ancelotti's vision without being weighed down by shite on big wages.

We're on the up and it feels great.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: toffee_scot on October 06, 2020, 06:18:34 AM
Calum Connolly is still around too.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 06, 2020, 06:24:37 AM
Tosun
Bolasie
Besic

Who else?


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Delph!!!! He plays like hes dead or his brain is made of wood. Only 3 months till jan window, so if they sell him and or Bernard Im confident they would replace them both with something younger on lower wages in a few months.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: blargins on October 06, 2020, 06:35:48 AM
I thought about Delph but I think he can play a part this season.

Those next to be replaced would certainly be the likes of Sig, Davies, Delph and Bernard though. But I think the big ones left are the ones I mentioned above. Likes of Pennington etc are on petty cash.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 06, 2020, 06:44:59 AM
there we go
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: beyondblue on October 06, 2020, 06:57:01 AM
Tosun
Bolasie
Besic

Who else?


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Still two weeks or so to trade with EFL clubs. Sure some championship clubs will happily take them on loan at least
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: bluenuck on October 06, 2020, 07:27:59 AM
Delph davies and sig at least contribute. Davies playing at right back on the weekend for example.

guys who collect a paycheque and don't even train with the squad, and are told they're not wanted here, are deadwood.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Jamokachi on October 06, 2020, 08:50:55 AM
Yea, as others have said, I think that's it for first team players really. Not too concerned about the U23s as they'll likely be on a small wages.

Davies, Delph and Sigurdsson all have roles to play this year.

I imagine Bolasie and Besic will move to the championship, whereas Tosun will stick around until January.

Fantastic progress.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Cozzie on October 06, 2020, 02:24:59 PM
Did Sandro go?

Had an early night last night, what where the outs with Walcott?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 06, 2020, 02:29:28 PM
Did Sandro go?

Had an early night last night, what where the outs with Walcott?

He did yeah
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 02:31:47 PM
Did Sandro go?

Had an early night last night, what where the outs with Walcott?

That’s £85 k off the wage bill as he went on a free providing they pick up 100% of his wages, good deal.
Besic could still go to the championship for the next 14 days, difficult to shift Tosun whilst outcome of his surgery still not known.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Waltzer on October 06, 2020, 02:53:37 PM
That’s £85 k off the wage bill as he went on a free providing they pick up 100% of his wages, good deal.
Besic could still go to the championship for the next 14 days, difficult to shift Tosun whilst outcome of his surgery still not known.

I cant see Tosun going until the next window, which is only 87 days away, so not too long
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Bwana on October 06, 2020, 03:10:30 PM
Delph!!!! He plays like hes dead or his brain is made of wood.

We can build a bridge to Bramley-Moore out of his brain. Or do we use yesterday's pudding/small rocks?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Gary1878 on October 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
That’s £85 k off the wage bill as he went on a free providing they pick up 100% of his wages, good deal.
Besic could still go to the championship for the next 14 days, difficult to shift Tosun whilst outcome of his surgery still not known.

Yep he went on a free, and we probably paid him off for half of the rest of his contract or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 06, 2020, 06:46:57 PM
PlayerWage   Annual Saving
Schneiderlin£100k   £5.2m
Walcott   £50k^   £2.6m^
Sandro   £65k*   £3.38m
Baines£65k   £3.38m
Niasse£55k   £2.86m
Martina£35k   £1.82m
Dowell£15k   £0.78m
Kean£53k   £2.756m
Garbutt£28k   £1.456m
Stekelenburg£30k   £1.56m
Totals£496k   £25.792m

*Higher figures quoted elsewhere include performance and appearance payments. This is guaranteed minimum
^ 50% figure due to loan agreement

PlayerWage   Annual Spend
James£90k   £4.68m
Allan   £70k   £3.64m
Doucoure   £75k   £3.9m
Nkounkou£20k   £1.04m
OlsenTBC   TBC
GodfreyTBC   TBC
Totals£255k   £13.26m

Fair to say that Godfrey and Olsen wont be on more than £80k combined?  If so, we have taken £161k a week off our wage bill (£8.37m pa).
With, potentially, up to £105k (£5.46m a year) from Besic & Bolasie still to come. (or, as it'll be loans, 50% of that).

(edited due to @YankeeBlue214 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7173) and @Robioto (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=292) posts and to make everything more precise)

Considering how much stronger our first 11 looks, i feel that is a banging window
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 06, 2020, 06:55:17 PM
Pennington to go and Beni needs a loan at least

They need to go on a permanent transfer to save their careers.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 07:06:59 PM
PlayerWage   Annual Saving
Schneiderlin£100k   £5.2m
Walcott   £50k^   £2.6m^
Sandro   £65k*   £3.4m
Baines£65k   £3.4m
Niasse£55k   £2.9m
Martina£35k   £1.8m
Dowell£15k   £0.8m
Kean£26.5k^   £1.4m^
Garbutt£28k   £1.4m
Stekelenburg£30k   £1.5m
Totals£469.5k   £24.4m

*Higher figures quoted elsewhere include performance and appearance payments. This is guaranteed minimum
^ 50% figure due to loan agreement

PlayerWage   Annual Saving
James£90k   £4.3m
Allan   £70k   £3.3m
Doucoure   £75k   £3.6m
Nkounkou£20k   £1m
OlsenTBC   TBC
GodfreyTBC   TBC
Totals£255k   £12.2m

Fair to say that Godfrey and Olsen wont be on more than £80k combined?  If so, we have taken £134.5k a week off our wage bill (around £8m pa).
With, potentially, up to £105k (£5.46m a year) from Besic & Bolasie still to come. (or, as it'll be loans, 50% of that).



Considering how much stronger our first 11 looks, i feel that is a banging window

PSG is reportedly paying for 100% of Kean's wages, and why wouldn't they be. That's found-in-the-couch money to them.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 07:16:58 PM
Yep he went on a free, and we probably paid him off for half of the rest of his contract or something along those lines.

Read in a report that we allowed him to go on a free in return for them picking up all of his wages, I guess that in Spain he would have a market value of about £5 million so not a bad deal for them.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Mouse on October 06, 2020, 07:45:23 PM
I know for the purposes of calculation it is correct, but I get angry every time I look and see Baines amongst that list of no-marks.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: velimski on October 06, 2020, 08:03:28 PM
I know for the purposes of calculation it is correct, but I get angry every time I look and see Baines amongst that list of no-marks.

Yes, but a necessary money saving excercise all the same.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: blargins on October 06, 2020, 08:14:17 PM
Yes, but how much is he on to be professional development coach or whatever it's called?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 08:36:02 PM
PlayerWage   Annual Saving
Schneiderlin£100k   £5.2m
Walcott   £50k^   £2.6m^
Sandro   £65k*   £3.38m
Baines£65k   £3.38m
Niasse£55k   £2.86m
Martina£35k   £1.82m
Dowell£15k   £0.78m
Kean£53k   £2.756m
Garbutt£28k   £1.456m
Stekelenburg£30k   £1.56m
Totals£496k   £25.792m

*Higher figures quoted elsewhere include performance and appearance payments. This is guaranteed minimum
^ 50% figure due to loan agreement

PlayerWage   Annual Saving
James£90k   £4.68m
Allan   £70k   £3.64m
Doucoure   £75k   £3.9m
Nkounkou£20k   £1.04m
OlsenTBC   TBC
GodfreyTBC   TBC
Totals£255k   £13.26m

Fair to say that Godfrey and Olsen wont be on more than £80k combined?  If so, we have taken £161k a week off our wage bill (£8.37m pa).
With, potentially, up to £105k (£5.46m a year) from Besic & Bolasie still to come. (or, as it'll be loans, 50% of that).

(edited due to @YankeeBlue214 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7173) post about Kean and to make everything more precise)

Considering how much stronger our first 11 looks, i feel that is a banging window

Mick, first of all, big time kudos on the formatting! Most people can't embed Twitter properly, and you're over here making columns. lolol

Secondly, I'm a young'un in terms of supporting the Club...so my question for you long-timers is, has there been a better window in Everton's Prem era? Or more impactful in retrospect (since we don't actually know the outcome of this one despite the incredibly promising signs)?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Robioto on October 06, 2020, 08:41:10 PM
PlayerWage   Annual Saving
Schneiderlin£100k   £5.2m
Walcott   £50k^   £2.6m^
Sandro   £65k*   £3.38m
Baines£65k   £3.38m
Niasse£55k   £2.86m
Martina£35k   £1.82m
Dowell£15k   £0.78m
Kean£53k   £2.756m
Garbutt£28k   £1.456m
Stekelenburg£30k   £1.56m
Totals£496k   £25.792m

*Higher figures quoted elsewhere include performance and appearance payments. This is guaranteed minimum
^ 50% figure due to loan agreement

PlayerWage   Annual Saving
James£90k   £4.68m
Allan   £70k   £3.64m
Doucoure   £75k   £3.9m
Nkounkou£20k   £1.04m
OlsenTBC   TBC
GodfreyTBC   TBC
Totals£255k   £13.26m

Fair to say that Godfrey and Olsen wont be on more than £80k combined?  If so, we have taken £161k a week off our wage bill (£8.37m pa).
With, potentially, up to £105k (£5.46m a year) from Besic & Bolasie still to come. (or, as it'll be loans, 50% of that).

(edited due to @YankeeBlue214 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7173) post about Kean and to make everything more precise)

Considering how much stronger our first 11 looks, i feel that is a banging window

Love this, looks good doesn't it?

I'm going to be pedantic here, but in the second table the Annual Saving column should be Annual Spend
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: TheRam on October 06, 2020, 08:45:41 PM
Mick, first of all, big time kudos on the formatting! Most people can't embed Twitter properly, and you're over here making columns. lolol

Secondly, I'm a young'un in terms of supporting the Club...so my question for you long-timers is, has there been a better window in Everton's Prem era? Or more impactful in retrospect (since we don't actually know the outcome of this one despite the incredibly promising signs)?

We had two summer windows on the bounce where we signed Pienaar, Jags, Baines, Lescott, Johnson, Yakubu, howard, and that pretty much set us up for the next six seasons or so as a regular top seven team.

During that period our business in the transfer market was always talked up as one of the best in the league as we managed to challenge near the top of the table on a shoestring budget compared to everyone around us.

Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 08:49:17 PM
We had two summer windows on the bounce where we signed Pienaar, Jags, Baines, Lescott, Johnson, Yakubu, howard, and that pretty much set us up for the next six seasons or so as a regular top seven team.

During that period our business in the transfer market was always talked up as one of the best in the league as we managed to challenge near the top of the table on a shoestring budget compared to everyone around us.

Thanks mate.

Ok, I've picked up a LOT over the past year+ of reading you clowns, but I have to ask...I think I got it from context, but for confirmation, what does "on the bounce," and "on the trot" mean?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: TheRam on October 06, 2020, 08:50:14 PM
Thanks mate.

Ok, I've picked up a LOT over the past year+ of reading you clowns, but I have to ask...I think I got it from context, but for confirmation, what does "on the bounce," and "on the trot" mean?

Another way of saying "in a row", or "back to back"
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 08:53:34 PM
We had two summer windows on the bounce where we signed Pienaar, Jags, Baines, Lescott, Johnson, Yakubu, howard, and that pretty much set us up for the next six seasons or so as a regular top seven team.

During that period our business in the transfer market was always talked up as one of the best in the league as we managed to challenge near the top of the table on a shoestring budget compared to everyone around us.



Also if you look up Moyes Xgf/a trends his sides were *objectively very good* and should have just been backed that little bit more to push it over the edge.

We've not consistently returned to the levels he set since.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 08:54:00 PM
Another way of saying "in a row", or "back to back"

Ok cool. So I was about 75% right. I had it in me mind that 'on the bounce' meant after a loss or something.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 08:56:48 PM
Ok cool. So I was about 75% right. I had it in me mind that 'on the bounce' meant after a loss or something.

See also : on the spin.

On an unrelated note 'on the bounce' in local argot can also mean spoiling for a confrontation.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 08:58:14 PM
See also : on the spin.

On an unrelated note 'on the bounce' in local argot can also mean spoiling for a confrontation.

Oooh, another one for my adopted lexicon.

My British ex-pat mate from London says he can barely understand scouser haha.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 09:01:22 PM
Oooh, another one for my adopted lexicon.

My British ex-pat mate from London says he can barely understand scouser haha.

Can be adapted to verb form eg. I bounced down there, we bounced straight out, saw the ram the other night bouncing round town looking for some fella who'd robbed his denim hoody etc.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 06, 2020, 09:02:26 PM
Can be adapted to verb form eg. I bounced down there, we bounced straight out, saw the ram the other night bouncing round town looking for some fella who'd robbed his denim hoody etc.


lolol
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Goaljira on October 06, 2020, 09:05:14 PM
Ok cool. So I was about 75% right. I had it in me mind that 'on the bounce' meant after a loss or something.

'Bouncing back' after a loss is a recovery, as is 'showing bouncebackability'.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: TheRam on October 06, 2020, 09:07:59 PM
FFS
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 06, 2020, 09:08:49 PM
I’ve heard from some very reliable sources that James is our first player to break the £200k wages bracket. Would make sense, given he was free.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 09:14:22 PM
I’ve heard from some very reliable sources that James is our first player to break the £200k wages bracket. Would make sense, given he was free.


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Was widely reported in other places that he was prepared to take a cut, here’s one example.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 06, 2020, 09:14:31 PM
Love this, looks good doesn't it?

I'm going to be pedantic here, but in the second table the Annual Saving column should be Annual Spend

Fuck
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: cantoffee on October 06, 2020, 09:16:50 PM
Hard to tell but assuming we can get someone to pay some of Bolasie and Besic's wages we could have a drop in wage spending of about £10 million or so.

If revenue stayed the same that would get our wage to revenue ratio down from 85% to just below 80%.

Although I would assume revenue will drop due to lack of gate receipts.

Ideally we can get it below 70% by increasing revenue and continuing to cut the wage bill the next two summers as Bolasie, Besic, Sig, Delph, Bernard all drop off by spring 2022 I believe. Of course they will have to be replaced but looks like Brands' strategy will be to bring in younger players who can progress and fill these roles for a much lower cost.

Ultimately though, success on the pitch and getting increased revenue will make things easier and those contracts won't be the giant anchor weighing us down.

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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 09:20:45 PM
Was widely reported in other places that he was prepared to take a cut, here’s one example.

https://www.sportekz.com/football/james-rodriguez-contract-deal-everton/amp/
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 09:34:29 PM
Hard to tell but assuming we can get someone to pay some of Bolasie and Besic's wages we could have a drop in wage spending of about £10 million or so.

If revenue stayed the same that would get our wage to revenue ratio down from 85% to just below 80%.

Although I would assume revenue will drop due to lack of gate receipts.

Ideally we can get it below 70% by increasing revenue and continuing to cut the wage bill the next two summers as Bolasie, Besic, Sig, Delph, Bernard all drop off by spring 2022 I believe. Of course they will have to be replaced but looks like Brands' strategy will be to bring in younger players who can progress and fill these roles for a much lower cost.

Ultimately though, success on the pitch and getting increased revenue will make things easier and those contracts won't be the giant anchor weighing us down.

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Wait until we start to see revenue from new shirt sales, esp. James ones. Madrid said they sold 365k James shirts (granted, this was likely over at least a 4-year period). Plus that right-sleeve empty sponsor space beckons...

Oh, and whatever money we'll get from making the Champions League. :D
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 10:03:12 PM
Wait until we start to see revenue from new shirt sales, esp. James ones. Madrid said they sold 365k James shirts (granted, this was likely over at least a 4-year period). Plus that right-sleeve empty sponsor space beckons...

Oh, and whatever money we'll get from making the Champions League. :D

Do Carzoo pay us a fixed sum for shirt sponsorship or is it in any way related to volume of shirt sales ? They could surely have never dreamt of so many sales prior to our signing James ? Did they pay for the add on Times Square and the Miami float ?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: cantoffee on October 06, 2020, 10:05:21 PM
Wait until we start to see revenue from new shirt sales, esp. James ones. Madrid said they sold 365k James shirts (granted, this was likely over at least a 4-year period). Plus that right-sleeve empty sponsor space beckons...

Oh, and whatever money we'll get from making the Champions League. :D
Yes Champions league is essentially guaranteed  25-30 million without including wins, draws, gate receipts, etc. Which essentially takes the problem away at least for that year even with no changes to wages.

Europa League (if we are being more realistic) would still bring about 10 million assuming we get out of the group stage.

Certainly it would help with bringing things under control but until that point we need to continue to reduce the squad size and offload some players.

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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 10:07:17 PM
This is good! Ignore the individual positions as we know as fans James can play ten etc. it's just purely to illustrate strength and contract years etc.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 06, 2020, 10:11:53 PM
https://www.sportekz.com/football/james-rodriguez-contract-deal-everton/amp/
It was also widely reported that we’d paid £20m for him. Amongst others, it’s from the same person who showed me a screen print of Dowell’s “payslip” and he works at the clubs, so I’d tend to believe him. Again, makes sense.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 06, 2020, 10:13:51 PM
This is good! Ignore the individual positions as we know as fans James can play ten etc. it's just purely to illustrate strength and contract years etc.
We’re is so much better shape than 2 years ago. One year, even.

I’d be thinking about new contracts for DCL and Digne, to keep them happy.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 10:16:50 PM
Do Carzoo pay us a fixed sum for shirt sponsorship or is it in any way related to volume of shirt sales ? They could surely have never dreamt of so many sales prior to our signing James ? Did they pay for the add on Times Square and the Miami float ?

Honestly, no clue how that all works. It's got to be a flat fee, maybe with built-in step-ups based on x, y, or z? That would make sense but I'm still guessing. I highly doubt Cazoo had anything to do with any of the advertising/marketing. That's the marketing dept. who has their own budget (if we're at all run like a normal business).
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 10:18:17 PM
Yes Champions league is essentially guaranteed  25-30 million without including wins, draws, gate receipts, etc. Which essentially takes the problem away at least for that year even with no changes to wages.

Europa League (if we are being more realistic) would still bring about 10 million assuming we get out of the group stage.

Certainly it would help with bringing things under control but until that point we need to continue to reduce the squad size and offload some players.

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Of course. There's also the nice bump in Prem TV revenue share based on each table position we rise. 6th is worth something like £21m more than 12th, for example, on top of everything else.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Bwana on October 06, 2020, 10:19:38 PM
We had two summer windows on the bounce where we signed Pienaar, Jags, Baines, Lescott, Johnson, Yakubu, howard, and that pretty much set us up for the next six seasons or so as a regular top seven team.

Nevermind Cahill, Arteta, Neville (yeah yeah) a year before those. Of course there were beatties, van der meydes and kröldrups present there also but all and all credit to Moyes and his team back in those days.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 06, 2020, 10:49:37 PM
The year Lukaku, Deulofeu & Barry came in on loan felt impressive as well.

Howard, Lescott & Johnson getting wrapped up early in one window also felt like we'd played a blinder.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 11:29:39 PM
Of course. There's also the nice bump in Prem TV revenue share based on each table position we rise. 6th is worth something like £21m more than 12th, for example, on top of everything else.


Drrrrreaming of European qualification
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 06, 2020, 11:30:26 PM

Drrrrreaming of European qualification

We're all going on a European Tour.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Shogun on October 06, 2020, 11:32:45 PM
We're all going on a European Tour.

Well, the team might be.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 06, 2020, 11:33:18 PM
Well, the team might be.

:P
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: arteta4spain on October 06, 2020, 11:40:53 PM
Suppose we’re having to be careful without the money coming from the gate. Be like the old sky days where you pay to watch a game.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 07, 2020, 01:28:09 AM
This is good! Ignore the individual positions as we know as fans James can play ten etc. it's just purely to illustrate strength and contract years etc.
yeah its looking good that init, also several positions where in a bad injury scenario we play someone out of position, ie Digne CB, Holgate RB, CB, Godfrey CM, Mina CF (joke but also would be awesome seeing him up there). To only really have the RW without cover is pretty awesome considering before we had a squad full of square pegs for round holes.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 07, 2020, 02:12:45 AM
yeah its looking good that init, also several positions where in a bad injury scenario we play someone out of position, ie Digne CB, Holgate RB, CB, Godfrey CM, Mina CF (joke but also would be awesome seeing him up there). To only really have the RW without cover is pretty awesome considering before we had a squad full of square pegs for round holes.

Godfrey can play right back.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Brownie on October 07, 2020, 02:20:49 AM
Deadwood Left sounds like a band
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 07, 2020, 02:45:29 AM
Deadwood Left sounds like a band
Godfrey can play bass
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Toddacelli on October 07, 2020, 02:45:55 AM
Honestly, no clue how that all works. It's got to be a flat fee, maybe with built-in step-ups based on x, y, or z? That would make sense but I'm still guessing. I highly doubt Cazoo had anything to do with any of the advertising/marketing. That's the marketing dept. who has their own budget (if we're at all run like a normal business).

Again, pretty speculative, but I'm very confident this is the case.

A kit sponsor will offer an amount because they know that we will provide a certain amount of exposure.

Throughout the year the marketing dept will be compiling a portfolio of exposure with metrics of TV views, social media shares and interactions etc.

We've done very well this year already. Cazoo will be delighted. Pretty sure we've already exceeded their expectations for this point in the year.

One thing they will know by now is that they will have to pay more to renew at the end of our agreement because that portfolio is going to look VERY attractive when we show it to other potential sponsors.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Toddacelli on October 07, 2020, 02:49:42 AM
See also : on the spin.

On an unrelated note 'on the bounce' in local argot can also mean spoiling for a confrontation.

@YankeeBlue214 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7173)

Also I don't know if it's used in Liverpool (I haven't lived there since I was a kid) but I also use the term "Let's bounce" for Let's go and the term "Gotta bounce" for when I've got to go.

I feel like they are American phrases that have made their way into British culture recently.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 07, 2020, 03:16:46 AM
@YankeeBlue214 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7173)

Also I don't know if it's used in Liverpool (I haven't lived there since I was a kid) but I also use the term "Let's bounce" for Let's go and the term "Gotta bounce" for when I've got to go.

I feel like they are American phrases that have made their way into British culture recently.

We use 'bounce' to mean "I gotta be going" or "I'm outta here" pretty regularly.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Brownie on October 07, 2020, 03:33:41 AM
Down here ‘bouncing’ means good atmosphere, hyperactive, excited and is used to describe dropping someone as in ‘I had him bouncing all the way to the floor’.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 07, 2020, 03:34:44 AM
Down here ‘bouncing’ means good atmosphere, hyperactive, excited and is used to describe dropping someone as in ‘I had him bouncing all the way to the floor’.

same round here.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Brownie on October 07, 2020, 03:36:27 AM
same round here.

I love the fact that on such a relative small bit of land we have such a diverse use of the same words
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 07, 2020, 03:52:57 AM
We should defo give Yankee a quiz on slang and terms
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: velimski on October 07, 2020, 04:00:46 AM
Yankee is a keen learner. I reckon he's been compiling his own list of British slang in a notebook over the last few months.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Brownie on October 07, 2020, 04:03:17 AM
Yankee is a keen learner. I reckon he's been compiling his own list of British slang in a notebook over the last few months.

Can we get a go fund me page going to finance a trip around the British Isles to see what he’s learnt and how he would adapt? Could film it as a documentary. Starts off in Scotland and makes his way around until he gets to Goodison for the finale.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Escla on October 07, 2020, 04:06:11 AM
Can we get a go fund me page going to finance a trip around the British Isles to see what he’s learnt and how he would adapt? Could film it as a documentary. Starts off in Scotland and makes his way around until he gets to Goodison for the finale.

That would make a great documentary, in a post Covid world perhaps but for the time being he’s confined to New Jersey.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Brownie on October 07, 2020, 04:08:00 AM
That would make a great documentary, in a post Covid world perhaps but for the time being he’s confined to New Jersey.

Yankee goes where he likes, when he likes. #fuck Covid
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Omar on October 07, 2020, 12:07:51 PM
To me, bounce means to leave. Like telling someone to “bounce, fool”. Or “I gotta bounce”
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Goaljira on October 07, 2020, 12:21:24 PM
Can we get a go fund me page going to finance a trip around the British Isles to see what he’s learnt and how he would adapt? Could film it as a documentary. Starts off in Scotland and makes his way around until he gets to Goodison for the finale.

He could be the US Karl Pilkington.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 07, 2020, 01:06:58 PM
To me, bounce means to leave. Like telling someone to “bounce, fool”. Or “I gotta bounce”
you can also use bounce when talking about balls, e.g. the basketball man is doing a really good bounce, or shit im halfway through a long run and ive just realised I put the wrong undies on and now my balls are bouncing around, this is gonna cause swelling and not in a good way.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: bluenuck on October 07, 2020, 01:17:17 PM
Down here ‘bouncing’ means good atmosphere, hyperactive, excited and is used to describe dropping someone as in ‘I had him bouncing all the way to the floor’.

Same here in Canada... which is right next to Yankee Doodle doo.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Toddacelli on October 07, 2020, 01:30:59 PM
He could be the US Karl Pilkington.

Two questions - is his head suitably spherical? And if so - would it bounce?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Discostu on October 16, 2020, 12:13:54 AM
Hurts to see this thread left to collect dust....

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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 16, 2020, 12:18:38 AM
Hurts to see this thread left to collect dust....

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A bit like Mo Besic....
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Toffee1 on October 16, 2020, 03:50:00 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11680/12105140/yannick-bolasie-middlesborough-in-talks-to-sign-winger-on-loan-from-everton


https://twitter.com/SkySports_Keith/status/1316830160558096384
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 16, 2020, 03:55:12 AM
A bit like Mo Besic....
those first 5 touches though...  lolol
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Robioto on October 16, 2020, 04:34:54 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11680/12105140/yannick-bolasie-middlesborough-in-talks-to-sign-winger-on-loan-from-everton


https://twitter.com/SkySports_Keith/status/1316830160558096384

Fingers crossed... He's on £75,000 a week isn't he? Can't imagine Middlesbrough paying any more than £20,000 of that... Better than nothing I suppose.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Robioto on October 16, 2020, 01:10:47 PM
Joyce on it now:

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1316983603008573440

Fingers crossed Besic's name comes up today.
Title: Deadwood Left
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on October 16, 2020, 01:44:16 PM
Joyce on it now:

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1316983603008573440

Fingers crossed Besic's name comes up today.

I hope Bolasie gets a move today, while not the player we need anymore, he does come across as a decent guy and probably just wants to play football.

If this comes great for everyone and I'd want him to have a good season for them.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Cozzie on October 16, 2020, 01:57:02 PM
Hopefully a few more can follow him out. Even on loan
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 16, 2020, 05:16:25 PM
Still another 5 or 6 who should be off today, but unlikely to be that many. Apparently Bowler is injured so he won’t be going anywhere until Jan.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Morta75 on October 16, 2020, 05:30:18 PM
I would add Delph to the list "Deadwood Left"
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 16, 2020, 07:51:55 PM
He's by no means deadwood but I'm extremely surprised Branthwaite hasn't gone out on loan. Perhaps because he's been injured and any destination team wants to wait until the last possible minute to get an accurate sense of his fitness?

Because if not, what's he going to do, sit around as a 5th CB and only basically train with the 1st team during this crucial year of his development?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: blargins on October 16, 2020, 07:59:54 PM
He's by no means deadwood but I'm extremely surprised Branthwaite hasn't gone out on loan. Perhaps because he's been injured and any destination team wants to wait until the last possible minute to get an accurate sense of his fitness?

Because if not, what's he going to do, sit around as a 5th CB and only basically train with the 1st team during this crucial year of his development?

Maybe go into the U23s?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Escla on October 16, 2020, 08:00:30 PM
I would add Delph to the list "Deadwood Left"
He’s going nowhere, nor is Carlo in a hurry to get rid of him, he will get game time for sure and play an important part as a squad player, people have to get that stupid tweet out of their mind.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 16, 2020, 08:06:09 PM
Maybe go into the U23s?

I mean, yeah, but that's just as much a waste of his time IMO.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: blargins on October 16, 2020, 08:07:19 PM
I mean, yeah, but that's just as much a waste of his time IMO.

Don't forget he's just 16. There's plenty of time ahead. And if it's just for a few months even, it's not likely to hurt. Had we not had big injuries the end of last season we'd still never have heard of him.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 16, 2020, 08:10:15 PM
Don't forget he's just 16. There's plenty of time ahead. And if it's just for a few months even, it's not likely to hurt. Had we not had big injuries the end of last season we'd still never have heard of him.

19 (not sure if you just made a typo there). He should be playing regular competitive football at least at the League One level (preferably Championship but like you said he is young).
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: TheRam on October 16, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
19 (not sure if you just made a typo there). He should be playing regular competitive football at least at the League One level (preferably Championship but like you said he is young).

He's injured until December isnt he?

Makes no sense to loan him to a team when he can't play for a while.


He'll get fit then go out on loan in January
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: blargins on October 16, 2020, 08:14:58 PM
19 (not sure if you just made a typo there). He should be playing regular competitive football at least at the League One level (preferably Championship but like you said he is young).

No typo, I thought he was younger than he is. But he turns 19 next June.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on October 16, 2020, 08:20:18 PM
No typo, I thought he was younger than he is. But he turns 19 next June.

Not sure why but made me think of this gem

https://twitter.com/brfootball/status/695077070838169601?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 16, 2020, 08:24:18 PM
He's injured until December isnt he?

Makes no sense to loan him to a team when he can't play for a while.


He'll get fit then go out on loan in January

Branthwaite was supposed to be out 3-5 weeks at least a month ago. His timeframe was half that of Holgate's, who's supposed to be back in early-mid November.

May still be January anyway but it's not because he's out until December. Unless there's been some unreported setback.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: blargins on October 16, 2020, 08:30:35 PM
Either way, a couple of months isn't going to make any difference.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 16, 2020, 08:30:37 PM
I would add Delph to the list "Deadwood Left"
False.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: kerryblue boy on October 16, 2020, 08:57:27 PM
I would add Delph to the list "Deadwood Left"
Delph is a good squad player offers much more on and off the ball than Davies
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: kerryblue boy on October 16, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
Warnock was asked about bolaise and said he is frustrating one minute he produces a magic bit of skill the next you are asking is he even a footballer that sums him up alright
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 16, 2020, 09:28:17 PM
Warnock was asked about bolaise and said he is frustrating one minute he produces a magic bit of skill the next you are asking is he even a footballer that sums him up alright
Wingers are generally enigmatic by nature. The one’s that aren’t are Giggs, Robben etc.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 16, 2020, 09:32:18 PM
Ultimately, unless we’re freeing up ages  to make a last minute signing, I’m not going to lose any sleep about the “dead wood” still being here after 5pm. They’ll be off in the summer, anyway.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 16, 2020, 09:58:15 PM
Yes, Deadwood did leave.  They did make a wrap-up movie, but it was "puppy abortion" calibre bad.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: jongre123 on October 16, 2020, 10:24:46 PM
Warnock was asked about bolaise and said he is frustrating one minute he produces a magic bit of skill the next you are asking is he even a footballer that sums him up alright

I like with spaghetti.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: American Evertonian on October 16, 2020, 11:50:00 PM
A lot of deadwood still at the club. Wonder if we will see some contracts get bought out.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 16, 2020, 11:58:25 PM
Callum Connolly joined Fleetwood on loan, if anyone’s arsed.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Macca77 on October 16, 2020, 11:59:24 PM
Bolasie and Besic still here then, grim that
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Waltzer on October 17, 2020, 01:16:21 AM
Bolasie and Besic still here then, grim that
I expect an agreement will be reached in the next week or so to terminate their contracts with a bit of a pay off

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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Shogun on October 17, 2020, 01:25:15 AM
https://twitter.com/GraemeBailey/status/1317168878917722118
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Macca77 on October 17, 2020, 02:21:33 AM
He's cry arsing on twitter again and some blues have fallen for it, again
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 17, 2020, 02:29:53 AM
He's cry arsing on twitter again and some blues have fallen for it, again
Have no problem with it at all. He didn’t put a gun to our head to give him a 5 year deal.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Major Clanger on October 17, 2020, 02:37:53 AM
He's cry arsing on twitter again and some blues have fallen for it, again

I can't see anything wrong with it, he was clearly all set to go and it failed for reasons beyond his control. Of course he's pissed off.

Whether it was a good idea to vent in public is another matter but I doubt it makes any difference.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 17, 2020, 03:11:32 AM
He's cry arsing on twitter again and some blues have fallen for it, again

Doesn’t seem to be complaining about it. Just said he was ready to go and now it’s fallen through he’ll continue to be professional so to be ready if needed. He seems to be more than reasonable about it. Not sure what he’s said that’s offended you
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 17, 2020, 03:38:04 AM
What were the reasons that the deal didn't go through?

Bit mad the way that so many teams leave these deals till the very last possible second.

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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Major Clanger on October 17, 2020, 03:43:01 AM
What were the reasons that the deal didn't go through?

Bit mad the way that so many teams leave these deals till the very last possible second.

They learnt all their negotiating skills from Boris Johnson.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 17, 2020, 03:49:10 AM
Almost every PL team has half a dozen players they want shot of. There just isn’t the market (money) knocking around, outside the PL.


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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: brap2 on October 17, 2020, 04:20:56 AM
I like him.

I wish he'd gone somewhere to play football because he is quite a unique player who when he is at it is very entertaining. Not every player can be an xg merchant who only does things that the numbers dictate are most effective to win a game, that's not football.

He was a terrible, terrible purchase and I've no idea why we did it, but it's not his fault.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Robioto on October 17, 2020, 04:22:06 AM
Just Besic and Bolasie left is not the end of the world. We've come a long way. We sold Sandro remember! Something I saw as impossible.

Bolasie in particular might have a part to play yet if we get injuries, not that I think he is good enough. Unlikely, but you never know, at least he comes across willing to fight.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Gary1878 on October 17, 2020, 04:23:17 AM
Boro probably tried their luck to get the wages down at the last minute and failed, leaving Bolasie stranded for another season. Feel for the lad.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Heisenberg on October 17, 2020, 03:41:54 PM
Sounds like we cut our nose off to spite our face there. Should of let him go and paid his full wages now. He’s leaving a bad stink now
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Jamokachi on October 17, 2020, 04:16:56 PM
Hell of a jump to conclusion there. You know nothing of the deal that was on offer. It obviously didn't suit.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Gary Todd on October 17, 2020, 04:38:24 PM
Personally think Bolasie could still do a job for us he was a great player but injuries have taken there toll still think he could be used as a squad player there are plenty in the prem worse than him

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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 17, 2020, 04:54:49 PM
Sounds like we cut our nose off to spite our face there. Should of let him go and paid his full wages now. He’s leaving a bad stink now

What bad stink is he leaving? He’s been very respectful and very supportive since he came back from loan. Plus if we start shipping players out for nowt even when they have some value everyone will be there with their hands out not wanting to pay
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Heisenberg on October 17, 2020, 04:57:08 PM
What bad stink is he leaving? He’s been very respectful and very supportive since he came back from loan. Plus if we start shipping players out for nowt even when they have some value everyone will be there with their hands out not wanting to pay

Okay bad stink harsh. But he hasn’t been registered for the squad, no point at all in letting it linger on
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 17, 2020, 04:57:34 PM
Personally think Bolasie could still do a job for us he was a great player but injuries have taken there toll still think he could be used as a squad player there are plenty in the prem worse than him

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I wouldn’t be devastated to see him coming off the bench for the last 15 minutes of games that aren’t going for us or we already have won. Least he’s capable of something out of nothing. Can’t be any worse than walcotts last ever performance for us. That was very niasse vs Newcastle
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Heisenberg on October 17, 2020, 04:58:38 PM
He’s not registered in the squad. He won’t be coming on from the bench
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 17, 2020, 05:02:44 PM
Okay bad stink harsh. But he hasn’t been registered for the squad, no point at all in letting it linger on

Don’t really disagree but there has to be something in it for everyone. Both pay their players wages so why shouldn’t they pay bolasie whatever the going rate for him is now. We want him off our books. Boro want him in their team. He wants to play football and have a chance to be in the shop window to earn a contract somewhere.
Surely a deal is made when we pay most. Boro pay whatever it is a boro player earns and maybe even bolasie takes a little less in total too.
We shouldn’t just bend over for anyone. Maybe we’d have saved a little letting him go to boro but if we agree deals that aren’t remotely fair to us everyone is gonna want to same from us
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 17, 2020, 05:04:45 PM
He’s not registered in the squad. He won’t be coming on from the bench

Is that for the entire season. Think it’s a shame all round. Would prefer him elsewhere if that’s the case so he can play and we can save some money but ultimately the deal has to be fair to everyone.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Gary Todd on October 17, 2020, 05:11:32 PM
I agree he's still gonna have something left in the locker to be a squad player such ashame if he hasn't got a squad number and couldn't get a move either
I wouldn't be devastated to see him coming off the bench for the last 15 minutes of games that aren't going for us or we already have won. Least he's capable of something out of nothing. Can't be any worse than walcotts last ever performance for us. That was very niasse vs Newcastle

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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Heisenberg on October 17, 2020, 05:20:34 PM
Is that for the entire season. Think it’s a shame all round. Would prefer him elsewhere if that’s the case so he can play and we can save some money but ultimately the deal has to be fair to everyone.

If I remember back to football manager days, you re register in the next transfer window
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: markB on October 19, 2020, 12:22:54 AM
Liverpool could come in for Matthew Pennington I here they are looking for CB cover now
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 19, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
Personally think Bolasie could still do a job for us he was a great player but injuries have taken there toll still think he could be used as a squad player there are plenty in the prem worse than him

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He was never a great player! What exactly has he done during his Everton career?
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Toddacelli on October 19, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
Personally think Bolasie could still do a job for us he was a great player but injuries have taken there toll still think he could be used as a squad player there are plenty in the prem worse than him

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Possibly the craziest ever use of the words 'great player'.

Best I can get on board with for Bolasie would be 'exciting player'.
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Gary Todd on October 19, 2020, 01:43:52 PM
Good point that's what I meant lol
Possibly the craziest ever use of the words 'great player'.

Best I can get on board with for Bolasie would be 'exciting player'.

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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Gary Todd on October 19, 2020, 01:48:27 PM
I shouldnt have called Bolasie a great player I was way off the mark with that so I apologise all silly talk dunno what I was thinking tbh

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Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 19, 2020, 07:05:00 PM
Warnock has said Bolasie’s agent caused an issue which stopped the move going ahead  ::)
Title: Re: Deadwood Left
Post by: ally2 on October 19, 2020, 08:12:18 PM
If we came to an agreement then couldn't we pay off a contract so that would make someone a free agent?  I think they can move outside of the window?