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Title: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 05, 2011, 03:00:47 PM
Predictions?

                   Howard
Hibbert  Jagielka  Heitinga  Baines
               Fellaini  Rodwell
  Coleman        Cahill        Drenthe
                         Vellios


If Drenthe and Rodwell start we've got a chance.
I assume Saha will be injured.

1-1  coleman,  vermaelen
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 05, 2011, 03:24:15 PM
4-1 to them
van persie 2
arteta
arsharvin

rodwell
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 05, 2011, 04:17:48 PM
They've been as tough as anyone for us to beat in recent years. But they're a pretty tame lot this season. Then again, so are we.

0-0.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 05, 2011, 06:10:47 PM
They've been as tough as anyone for us to beat in recent years. But they're a pretty tame lot this season. Then again, so are we.

0-0.

19 points from 21 isn't tame. I think they're on a run of something like 11 wins from their last 12 in all competitions? After City, Spurs and Arsenal are probably the form teams in the league.

Tough, tough game for us this one. Anything more than zero points will be a result.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on December 05, 2011, 06:17:40 PM
arsenal a few everton 0

a narrow defeat would be a pleasant surprise
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 05, 2011, 06:18:31 PM
0922 FOOTBALL: BBC Sport's David Ornstein on Twitter: "Arsenal taking a Carling Cup squad to Olympiacos so RvP, Walcott, Arteta, Mert etc rested for Everton on Sat."

 :eh:
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 05, 2011, 06:34:42 PM
19 points from 21 isn't tame. I think they're on a run of something like 11 wins from their last 12 in all competitions? After City, Spurs and Arsenal are probably the form teams in the league.

Tough, tough game for us this one. Anything more than zero points will be a result.

Compared to who they were even a few years ago, they are though. Which was the point. They've slipped a bit, and it's not nearly as dread a fixture as it used to be.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: keiko on December 05, 2011, 06:39:34 PM
 today is a new day, so let's be positive. 0-1 win hahaha  lolol
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on December 05, 2011, 06:59:41 PM
Based on yesterday.....5-0 arsenal
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: RICH on December 05, 2011, 08:22:04 PM
5-0
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: efcraz on December 05, 2011, 08:37:44 PM
Cricket score! I have absolutely no hope for this one, sorry!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on December 05, 2011, 09:38:23 PM
Predictions?

                   Howard
Hibbert  Jagielka  Heitinga  Baines
               Fellaini  Rodwell
  Coleman        Cahill        Drenthe
                         Vellios


If Drenthe and Rodwell start we've got a chance.
I assume Saha will be injured.

1-1  coleman,  vermaelen
No Osman? Bollox, we've no chance.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 05, 2011, 09:45:57 PM
3 1 to them
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Running Blue on December 05, 2011, 10:10:13 PM
This will be my first time sitting in the Everton end.  I reckon that should be enough to tip the match in our favour.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Gary Iceman on December 05, 2011, 10:59:49 PM
2-2  :)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: plumber on December 05, 2011, 11:07:57 PM
No Osman? Bollox, we've no chance.
You are being abused at school by some bigger kids, right? Maybe even sexually?
Unburden your heart, don't keep that black secrets inside yourself.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 05, 2011, 11:24:26 PM
We wont score
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Stumpy on December 05, 2011, 11:48:27 PM
It's just our luck to catch them when they are hitting a good bit of form.They still look a bit dodgey at the back,and even with our power puff attack i can see us scoring,unfortunatly i can also see them scoring plenty.4-1.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Snipellis11 on December 06, 2011, 12:07:17 AM
I'm hoping we might put one of our great performances in and get a win or a draw, but then on the other hand i fear a very annoying 3-0 defeat.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: pjk on December 06, 2011, 12:21:00 AM
Based on yesterday.....5-0 arsenal


This. I just hope Mikky dos'nt celebrate if he scores
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on December 06, 2011, 02:12:17 AM
Let's face it most probably a loss so why not try and suprise them with something different ..

                  Howard
Coleman jags heitinga Baines
                   Fellani
              Barkley  Rodwell
Drenthe.                         Saha
                    Vellios 

Basically a 4-3-3.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 06, 2011, 02:30:49 AM
3-0 Arsenal, Walcott, Van Persie and I hate to say it Arteta I think will get on the act.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on December 06, 2011, 03:32:05 AM
what's happened to barkley?

is he injured, or just being hidden in a bank vault?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 06, 2011, 03:35:40 AM
what's happened to barkley?

is he injured, or just being hidden in a bank vault?

He's not as good as everyone thinks.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: the doc on December 06, 2011, 04:09:05 AM

This. I just hope Mikky dos'nt celebrate if he scores
He won't celebrate, they will be 3-0 up by then! Just dreading this game, they have more points agaisnt us than any oher team in the prem,we havn't won there in donkey years, we can't score and they score for fun! 4-0!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 06, 2011, 04:27:36 AM
If we get anything from this game we should be pretty pleased, we could really do with Drenthe back as we missed his creativity against Stoke.

                       Howard

Coleman Jagielka Heitinga Baines

Drenthe  Fellaini Rodwell Osman
                       Cahill
                       Vellios

This is how I would like to see us line up, though I think Hibbert will keep his place at right back.  2-1 defeat, Baines free kick for us.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 06, 2011, 04:30:26 AM
If we get anything from this game we should be pretty pleased, we could really do with Drenthe back as we missed his creativity against Stoke.

                       Howard

Coleman Jagielka Heitinga Baines

Drenthe  Fellaini Rodwell Osman
                       Cahill
                       Vellios

This is how I would like to see us line up, though I think Hibbert will keep his place at right back.  2-1 defeat, Baines free kick for us.

I would rather Cahll up front with Vellios on the bench and either Bilya or Drenthe on the left and Osman behind the striker or Osman on the left and Bilya behind the striker.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Verm on December 06, 2011, 04:31:33 AM
3-1 Arsenal.

Although the 1 is being kind considering how dire we are up front.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 06, 2011, 04:40:15 AM
3-1 Arsenal.

Although the 1 is being kind considering how dire we are up front.
I agree, we don't have an up front. Better to go 4-6-0 and hope to nick a goal fom a set piece and then defend for our lives. Time to hope for the old 1-0's
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: JoeHart on December 06, 2011, 04:43:15 AM
we can beat arsenal.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 06, 2011, 05:00:55 AM
we can beat arsenal.



Of course we can but will we?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 06, 2011, 08:21:39 AM
The Fitness of Drenthe and Saha really changes everything

with both of them in
--------------------------Howard----------------------
Hibbert------Distin--------------Jagielka-----Baines
--------------------------Felliani---------------------------
-------------------Rodwell-----Osman-------------------
Coleman-----------------------------------------Drenthe
---------------------------Saha------------------------------

thats how i would go, play narrow and try to catch Arsenals very high line on the break with the pace of coleman and drenthe (and sometimes saha if he wants to)

however if Saha and Drenthe are injured

----------------------------Howard-----------------------------
Hibbert----------Distin-----------Jagielka---------Baines
------------------Neville-------------Felliani--------------
Coleman-----------------Rodwell---------------Osman
------------------------------Cahill-----------------------------

sit deep and pray we can get them on a set piece or a lucky long ball

the key is to sit really Narrow and force Arsenal wide where they have to cross, but try and force arsenal to cross from deep, not get in behind


im sensing a classic Jagielka defesive perforamnce where he completely shuts down RVP like he did to torres a couple of times when he was at his best 
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueski on December 06, 2011, 10:15:57 AM
maybe playing against his best mate will motivate cahill to pull his finger out and get on the scoreboard
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bally on December 06, 2011, 05:15:49 PM
we can beat arsenal.



Mentioned this on the main podcast last week, we have more chance of beating these than we did Stoke, but if we play like we did V Stoke we will get fucked
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 06, 2011, 06:31:24 PM
4-0 to Arsenal. Its been a while since they properly boned us.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: plumber on December 06, 2011, 08:34:25 PM
we can beat arsenal.



I agree with JoeHart.

Is something wrong with me?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on December 06, 2011, 09:42:35 PM
These are the games we usually go out and surprise the fans.  1-1.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Optimistic Blue on December 06, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
cant see anything but a win to us to be honest, take vp out the game and stop them playing

2-0 to us
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dunkster on December 07, 2011, 09:10:06 AM
Lets fill every inch of our goal with 10 players and leave one outfield player to run around and make it hard for them to score. Fingers crossed we might get 0-0
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: School of Science on December 07, 2011, 02:48:39 PM
They've rested their players midweek to play us...Oh dear hope Mikel does not celebrate if he scores,our only hope is to attack because I still think their defence are shite. Saying that still think its the wrong time to play them,defeat for me im afraid but if we lose lets attack the fuckers anyway and not just sit back asking for it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Thom on December 07, 2011, 05:08:06 PM
Andre Santos is out of the match on Saturday, meaning that Vermaelen or Koscielny will have to play at left back. Coleman needs to have a blinder down that right flank now to give us a fighting chance.
Title: Team News
Post by: stuie1878 on December 07, 2011, 09:25:56 PM
Andre Santos ruled out of Everton game Saturday

God that will spoil Arsenals Rythem
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 07, 2011, 10:43:20 PM
Andre Santos is out of the match on Saturday, meaning that Vermaelen or Koscielny will have to play at left back. Coleman needs to have a blinder down that right flank now to give us a fighting chance.

If Drenthe is fit I would like to see him on the right and Coleman RB, and just fucking go for it, but this game will be like City away all over again.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on December 08, 2011, 02:50:37 PM
Agree with the ram...

Arsenal have no full backs for either side for this weekend. We must look to exploit that.

Baines and Coleman as full backs offering plenty of overlapping.

Drenthe and 1 other out of ossie, barkley or guaye on the wings. I know ossie is no winger but if just to lay them on for bainsey could be a good tactical ploy for this one.
For this one I think I'd go...

                  Howard
Coleman jags heitinga Baines
             Rodwell Fellani
Drenthe.      Barkley.   Osman
                   Saha
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Rhys on December 08, 2011, 06:07:26 PM
                       Howard

Hibbert      Jags          Heitinga     Baines

Coleman   Rodwell     Fellaini       Bily

                Osman     Cahill


If Saha and Drenthe arent fit. And if not working can switch either Rodwell or Fellaini with Osman!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 08, 2011, 07:35:49 PM
I know that there is no chance of it happening but I'd love to see Conor Mc get involved at some stage , Ive heard a few good reports about him .... and throw Ross in for good measure  :)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 08, 2011, 07:44:48 PM
I know that there is no chance of it happening but I'd love to see Conor Mc get involved at some stage , Ive heard a few good reports about him .... and throw Ross in for good measure  :)

I dunno, the forecast says strong winds for tomorrow, McAleny is only 4 stone soaking wet!he would fly right out of the emirates!
Title: Re: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bally on December 08, 2011, 08:06:07 PM
And if you listen to todays podcast you will hear a little more about the arsenal defence
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 09, 2011, 05:19:27 AM
Howard ,    Hibbo  , Jags , Johnny H , Bainesy ,       Seamus , Felli , Rodwell , Drenthe or Bily        Cahill  ,  Louis .

Probably ?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueski on December 09, 2011, 09:30:48 AM
Fearful of this match. In my dreams we battle them to a draw on the half and someone puts in a Neville vs United tackle that turns the match and our season around. Would be a nice statement to despatch these.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 09, 2011, 05:08:04 PM
Without Rodwell and Osman available it would be a great opportunity to play Gueye but I think we are more likely to see either Heitinga or Neville come in at centre mid and possibly Distin back in at centre back.

                    Howard

Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines

Coleman Fellaini Heitinga Bily
                   Cahill
                   Saha

This is how I think we will line up now
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 09, 2011, 05:12:02 PM
so if drenthe and saha also miss

-----------------Howard---------------
Hibbert--Distin------Jagilkea--Baines
------Heitinga---Neville--Felliani--------
Coleman------------------------------Billy
---------------------Cahill----------------------

Mucha Barkley Vellios Denis Magaye Mustafi McAnley

we are so fucked, and thats only with 5 injuries...
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 09, 2011, 05:25:01 PM
Andy Lewis @ Everton on twitter thinks Drenthe is going ... I hope so ... although maybe Ross Barkley can get a chance ?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 09, 2011, 05:29:43 PM
Andy Lewis @ Everton on twitter thinks Drenthe is going ... I hope so ... although maybe Ross Barkley can get a chance ?

Going as in going to the game tomorrow with the squad?or going as in leaving?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 09, 2011, 05:55:21 PM
Going as in going to the game tomorrow with the squad?or going as in leaving?

going to the Emirates   :whistle:
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 09, 2011, 06:49:01 PM
howard

neville jagielka distin baines

coleman barkley fellaini gueye

drenthe
 
saha
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 09, 2011, 10:14:58 PM
Sadly I foresee a dismal performance and a 2-0 loss as our goal problems continue. RVP with one and Theo with the other if he plays.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Forum Troll on December 10, 2011, 12:13:27 AM
cant believe anyone can actually think we have a chance at the emirates. We are absolutely dire. If Arsenal dont beat us by 3 or more id be truly amazed
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: plumber on December 10, 2011, 12:45:48 AM
cant believe anyone can actually think we have a chance at the emirates. We are absolutely dire. If Arsenal dont beat us by 3 or more id be truly amazed

You probably won't believe me, but 2 weeks ago Arsenal didn't beat Fulham at Emirates!  :shock:

It's really shocking when you think about it: One premier league team couldn't beat another premier league team by 3 or more goals!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Boredstiff on December 10, 2011, 02:28:50 AM
We haven't had a decent game this season usually we get one - perhaps the "arse" not being a physical side might bring a bit of football out of us.

Otherwise we'll get beat 24 - nil.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 10, 2011, 03:26:10 AM
if saha does not play ill go for 1-1 drenthe to score if he plays .
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on December 10, 2011, 05:46:45 AM
i think we will get beat, but only by a 1 goal margin, however if we play to our strengths (something that has been rarely seen this season) then a draw or a win is not impossible.

one thing i dont like seeing is people like dj paul d(umbass) and bored stiff making stupid predictions of massacres. if you think we will get beat fine thats your opinion but dont be stupid about it
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 10, 2011, 07:30:17 AM
I haven't predicted a score for this , I see it as one of those games that we could either lose by a couple ..or surprise everyone and nick it 1-0 . I don't care who the team is we are against we are always capable of getting a goal from a set piece or a bit of Louis magic or even Tim C may suddenly get the kangaroo legs back ... and of course our defence is solid except for the odd stupid error ... If we can cut that out ..... who knows ? ... A lot to ask I know but then stranger things have happened
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on December 10, 2011, 02:09:10 PM
Well with injuries to ossie and rodders best adjust my team selection..

             Howard
Neville jags Distin Baines
        Heitinga Fellani
Coleman  Barkley drenthe
                Saha

Changes need to be made from stoke. Really want Barkley to get a go. Drenthe to come back in and Neville to bring some pointing back!
Come on moyes ring the changes after last week!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: marky v on December 10, 2011, 02:52:31 PM
I don't think we'll be disgraced by a large margin but i do think we'll set out for a narrow defeat just to make it look credible and how we were "competitive" in the interviews afterward,

Moyes signed Louis with the hope of getting 15 games out of him and now says Vellios isn't ready to start games add a underperforming and none scoring Cahill i'd say for the forseeable were f_cked,

agree with the above if no Rodwell and Osman thats a got to be a green light for Barkley and more likely Neville added to the midfield, shame really i wanted Neville back in as Right Back as we have zero leaders in the team at the moment

Fantasy Footbal tip: choose defenders and goalkeepers of whoever is our opposition
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Boredstiff on December 10, 2011, 03:32:33 PM
i think we will get beat, but only by a 1 goal margin, however if we play to our strengths (something that has been rarely seen this season) then a draw or a win is not impossible.

one thing i dont like seeing is people like dj paul d(umbass) and bored stiff making stupid predictions of massacres. if you think we will get beat fine thats your opinion but dont be stupid about it

You're very sensitive aren't you?

I see what you mean though - bearing in mind the Moyes history I'll just say they might knock in 6 again.

Although we might play like Barca and give them a whipping. (singing dean martins lil ole wine drinker me)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 05:08:31 PM
Moyes will set the team out and go for a 1-0 loss.

I think we might as well make some changes and put some creativity in the team.

Howard

Hibbert Jags Heitinga Baines

Gueuye Fellaini Barkley Drenthe

Saha Vellios

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on December 10, 2011, 05:19:35 PM
moyes will play 4-6-0 and we will be beaten easily. were playing an inform arsenal,we cant score,we can only pass sideways, and against an arsenal side who keep the ball for fun. we will defend defend defend defend..... until they score
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on December 10, 2011, 05:21:18 PM
Moyes will set the team out and go for a 1-0 loss.

I think we might as well make some changes and put some creativity in the team.

Howard

Hibbert Jags Heitinga Baines

Gueuye Fellaini Barkley Drenthe

Saha Vellios


 Wouldn't that team be lovely?
I would try Coleman at Right-Back instead, but that team would excite me. But yes, Moysey will set us up to be solid. Which is fair enough. I think 1-1 or lose 2-1.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: the roy vernon plan on December 10, 2011, 05:23:59 PM
As long as Neville, Billy and Hibbert don't play.

Unlike some on here, I think Osman has done well in the last two games
and he might do well for 60 mins until his little legs give out.

My hope  is that Barkley, Gueye get a game. And that a miracle happens
and we get a point.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: EFCdanger on December 10, 2011, 05:24:30 PM
               Howard
  Neville jags Distin Baines
Coleman Barkley Fellaini Drenthe
                Cahill
                Saha

Even though Cahill isn't scoring, he's still a handful for defenders and seeing as Arsenal are missing full backs today we could use he skill in the air.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 10, 2011, 06:20:19 PM
              Howard
  Neville jags Distin Baines
Coleman Barkley Fellaini Drenthe
                Cahill
                Saha

Even though Cahill isn't scoring, he's still a handful for defenders and seeing as Arsenal are missing full backs today we could use he skill in the air.

If you're gonna pick Cahill for his aerial threat you might as well start velios alongside saha with saha allowed to drop deep.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: plumber on December 10, 2011, 06:22:23 PM
As long as Neville, Billy and Hibbert don't play.

Unlike some on here, I think Osman has done well in the last two games
and he might do well for 60 mins until his little legs give out.

My hope  is that Barkley, Gueye get a game. And that a miracle happens
and we get a point.

Hello, Osman is injured.
And you forgot to mention  "Billy Liar" in your post.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jags1878 on December 10, 2011, 08:05:46 PM
Everton: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Jagielka, Heitinga, Neville (c), Fellaini, Coleman, Bilyaletdinov, Cahill, Saha. Bench: Mucha, Stracqualursi, Vellios, Barkley, Distin, McAleny, Gueye.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on December 10, 2011, 08:06:22 PM
Everton: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Jagielka, Heitinga, Neville (c), Fellaini, Coleman, Bilyaletdinov, Cahill, Saha. Bench: Mucha, Stracqualursi, Vellios, Barkley, Distin, McAleny, Gueye.

Obvious lineup but not awful. 
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jags1878 on December 10, 2011, 08:07:47 PM
Shame Drenthe still has the foot injury but yeh not a bad lineup tbf!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Gray90 on December 10, 2011, 08:08:25 PM
Happy with that bar Neville in midfield. He'll be miles off the pace as usual.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 08:09:00 PM
thats a terrible line up just fucking give them the points  :headbang:
Title: Re: Re: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on December 10, 2011, 08:09:04 PM
Shame Drenthe still has the foot injury but yeh not a bad lineup tbf!

Heavily reliant on fellaini having a stormer.

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Azz on December 10, 2011, 08:11:53 PM
I honestly can not believe Nev is starting in midfield!! 
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jags1878 on December 10, 2011, 08:15:21 PM
I suppose Moyes is never going to start Barkley at the Emirates though to be fair instead of Phil. I hope Phil is on top form he will need to be!!! COYB!!!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: BootleBlueBoy on December 10, 2011, 08:15:51 PM
would rather have seen cahill drop into midfield and barkely place off saha, neville in midfield just reduces our creativity even more. might as well lob felli up front and play long ball :(
Title: Re: Re: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on December 10, 2011, 08:18:31 PM
I honestly can not believe Nev is starting in midfield!! 

I can't believe you can't believe it

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: the_vchip on December 10, 2011, 08:18:45 PM
Seems to me that we are going to try and stop them scoring, which isn't a bad plan. Neville, if playing well enough, could give Fellaini licence to get forward a bit and link up with the striker(s). I really do think Billy is only playing to put him in the shop window, although Gueye lacks experience I feel it was worth a gamble today.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 08:20:59 PM
I'd love to be proven wrong, but how we expect to create anything with a midfield largely suited to defending is beyond me. I'm guessing we're playing for set piece chances like Stoke did against us.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Alex on December 10, 2011, 08:21:08 PM
Whos McAleny?

Would love Barkley, Gueye and Vellios to come on and make an impact later on. Barkley has to play at some point, even if its just as a reward for agreeing to sign
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 08:21:22 PM
Given how small our squad is, it's not a surprising 11. I'm not especially optimistic or pessimistic today, I think we're capable of doing something though.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: BootleBlueBoy on December 10, 2011, 08:22:26 PM
Whos McAleny?

 a striker who has been scoring a fair few goals for the reserves. 16 years old i think?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: marky v on December 10, 2011, 08:25:32 PM
Whos McAleny?

Would love Barkley, Gueye and Vellios to come on and make an impact later on. Barkley has to play at some point, even if its just as a reward for agreeing to sign


He's a young striker who looks about 12
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 10, 2011, 08:26:54 PM
Heavily reliant on fellaini having a stormer.

I still can't believe he signed an extension. Maybe he did it so his transfer fee will be higher or he knows cash infusion is imminent. Not sure what made me think of that, but in a more related note as someone noted earlier this could be rough for Nev. He hasn't played in awhile and coming back for your first game against Arsenal could be a tough adjustment.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Thom on December 10, 2011, 08:31:12 PM
I don't understand how anyone can be surprised at Neville starting. With Rodwell and Osman both out, it was either him or Heitinga, with Distin playing alonside Jagielka. He'll be asked to perform a man marking job on Arteta anyway, seeing as he'll know Arteta so well from his time here.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dunkster on December 10, 2011, 08:35:17 PM
gonna get mauled !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: BootleBlueBoy on December 10, 2011, 08:36:49 PM
I don't understand how anyone can be surprised at Neville starting. With Rodwell and Osman both out, it was either him or Heitinga, with Distin playing alonside Jagielka. He'll be asked to perform a man marking job on Arteta anyway, seeing as he'll know Arteta so well from his time here.

true it aint a surprise, but he could have moved bily or cahill central to make room for a more creative player, if bily plays as shit over 90mins as he usually does, that midfield has 0 creativity and with our def and their attack its likely we'll concede, having a valid goal threat would have been a better option imo
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Stumpy on December 10, 2011, 08:37:32 PM
You know he's going to be there,but every fucking time i see Neville in midfield my heart sinks.Defo can't see us getting anything other than well beat with that line up.Hope i got to swallow my words,and i would be delighted to.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 10, 2011, 08:40:21 PM
Not surprised with the line up, I think we are set up to try and hold on for a 0-0, even if we go a goal or 2 down.  Would have loved to have seen someone better on the ball in central midfield instead of Neville.  I'll be delighted with a point today if we can get it
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 08:40:30 PM
their defence is woeful today, we still won't score mind you.

djourou  mertesacker  vermalen  koscielny

4 centre backs not sure who'll play where
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 10, 2011, 08:44:46 PM
their defence is woeful today, we still won't score mind you.

djourou  mertesacker  vermalen  koscielny

4 centre backs not sure who'll play where

got to attack them, Vermaelen is the only good defender out of them.  Get Magaye gueye on to run at them!prediction on our first sub today :Distin on for Bily!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Stumpy on December 10, 2011, 08:46:24 PM
With the exception of Vermaelen,that back 4 is a strikers dream,pitty our line up will not even have a go at them.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Snipellis11 on December 10, 2011, 08:46:59 PM
there two full backs are not going to be very good, get down both flanks.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 10, 2011, 08:48:23 PM
I promise to apologise for being a misery guts if we get anything today!just had a look back and most of us have a downer on this one before a ball is kicked!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Thom on December 10, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
true it aint a surprise, but he could have moved bily or cahill central to make room for a more creative player, if bily plays as shit over 90mins as he usually does, that midfield has 0 creativity and with our def and their attack its likely we'll concede, having a valid goal threat would have been a better option imo

We'd all like to see someone like Gueye or Barkley ahead of Neville, but this is Moyes we're talking about. Added to the fact that we haven't won away against Arsenal since 1996, and since Moyes obviously wants to keep it as tight as possible and look to get a goal from a counter attack or set piece, then it's no surprise that he's opted for Neville.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 09:00:53 PM
The person we really need a big game from is Saha, he can win us this game if he's up for it.

That bench is terribly weak. We've only got about 4 players out!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 09:06:50 PM
were playing 424 really bily and coleman plain very high
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 09:08:38 PM
We're really pressing high against them, not sure if I'd do that but hopefully it works.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:12:27 PM
We'd all like to see someone like Gueye or Barkley ahead of Neville, but this is Moyes we're talking about. Added to the fact that we haven't won away against Arsenal since 1996, and since Moyes obviously wants to keep it as tight as possible and look to get a goal from a counter attack or set piece, then it's no surprise that he's opted for Neville.

Maybe we haven't won there for a while because we always opt for a more defensive line up..?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:17:38 PM
Hibbert did well there.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 09:18:54 PM
Lovely pass by Arteta there.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 09:19:04 PM
hibbo saved us then
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 09:19:11 PM
That was close.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 10, 2011, 09:20:59 PM
Arteta man, keep it cool.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: irishtoffee on December 10, 2011, 09:23:32 PM
any good stream
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:23:45 PM
We're walking a tightrope with this high line at times.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 09:24:09 PM
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=134407&part=sports (http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=134407&part=sports)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
They're starting to get on top now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 09:25:30 PM
Why are we defending so high when Arsenal have all that pace.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:25:59 PM
Tidy feet from Billy at times today. Hopefully his crossing can improve.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 10, 2011, 09:27:03 PM
Dumb foul from Coleman.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 09:27:06 PM
Stupid yellow card from Coleman, he wasn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 10, 2011, 09:28:05 PM
Winds me up that we always bring all 10 players back to defend leaving no out ball.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 09:28:13 PM
Poor crossing from us so far
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 10, 2011, 09:29:06 PM
who is Mcaleny?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 09:30:24 PM
If we could get in a couple of decent crosses we might get a chance.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 09:30:24 PM
who is Mcaleny?

Reserve striker, little and pacey.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 09:31:36 PM
Jesus christ, these could have had 4 already. Only a matter of time at this rate.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 10, 2011, 09:31:57 PM
Lucky there.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
Eek. That was close.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 09:32:36 PM
That was some horrid defending, let Song get to the ball when we had two players who were closer to it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 10, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
Reserve striker, little and pacey.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 09:33:23 PM
Arteta must be thinking he's definitely made the right choice.

[ilb]Their football has been sublime.[/ilb]
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 09:33:31 PM
Bily doing well so far, good to see
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:36:32 PM
Bily doing well so far, good to see

Yeah, everything bar crossing. Not entirely surprising though as he has hardly been getting much playing time of late. We need it to improve though if we are to have much chance of getting anything.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Forum Troll on December 10, 2011, 09:38:04 PM
Fellaini is an absolutely woeful player, disgusting how he got that contract, hate more than any other player and that includes brett the hitman angell
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:38:06 PM
Things aren't sticking up top. We need it to as there it is coming straight back at our defence.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:38:46 PM
What was Coleman doing?!?! That could have easily been a second yellow. Idiotic, he had no chance of winning that and he was barely in our half.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 09:38:52 PM
Not great, are we?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 09:39:21 PM
Poor Saha is trying to hold off 2-3 defenders at a time. He needs help
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:42:30 PM
Poor Saha is trying to hold off 2-3 defenders at a time. He needs help

Just isn't his game, which is confusing why he is being played that way. Probably as Vellios isn't ready and who knows on Strac. Couldn't see who would do better on their own.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 09:43:46 PM
Heitinga doing well against Walcott there.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 10, 2011, 09:43:52 PM
Should be a rugby score already
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:46:07 PM
Not good to see Arteta on the ref for the handball. How that wasn't a foul for climbing beforehand?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on December 10, 2011, 09:47:31 PM
Arsenal are smart enough not to let Arteta take corners.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: minty on December 10, 2011, 09:48:40 PM
Just isn't his game, which is confusing why he is being played that way. Probably as Vellios isn't ready and who knows on Strac. Couldn't see who would do better on their own.

Passing to a teammate isn't his game?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 10, 2011, 09:49:22 PM
Not great, are we?
passing is awfull
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 09:50:02 PM
Passing to a teammate isn't his game?

Well possibly. But just holding the ball up is a problem.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 10, 2011, 09:50:32 PM
The way Arteta runs the show is so disheartening. Cracking player
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: RICH on December 10, 2011, 09:51:16 PM
Poor Saha is trying to hold off 2-3 defenders at a time. He needs help

same as every fuckin week mate
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 09:52:00 PM
The way Arteta runs the show is so disheartening. Cracking player
strange. i haven't noticed him.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on December 10, 2011, 09:52:23 PM
Cahill has to be replaced
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 09:53:40 PM
If we can get a couple of decent crosses in we could pull a nice smash-and-grab here. They can't seem to finish.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Thom on December 10, 2011, 09:54:13 PM
Rode our luck at a couple of times, especially with that Walcott square ball that Hibbert dealt with, but other than that they're being typical Arsenal: Nice, intricate football but not much end product.

Hibbert, Fellaini and Heitinga impressed me in that half. Coleman and Bilyaletdinov have done fairly well too. Cahill and Saha anonymous as ever, but not surprising considering how little possession we've had.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 09:54:14 PM
We've been relatively lucky and a few players are putting in decent performances. Hardly inspiring, but not *bad*.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 09:55:07 PM
I'd take Cahill off, move Bily inside and put Barkley on the left. Or just swap Cahill for Barkley as he wont have much defensive responsibility playing just behind Saha.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: marky v on December 10, 2011, 09:56:47 PM
Colemans the one to be careful with, he's been booked therefore if it stays as a drawer they'll look to get him sent off to help get them a result, can't spoil Arsenals big day afterall
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bally on December 10, 2011, 09:57:27 PM
[sc]http://soundcloud.com/evertondaily/arsenal-halftime-podcast[/sc]
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 10, 2011, 09:57:34 PM
Heitinga's doing well, but the number of times our high line has looked vulnerable worries me.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on December 10, 2011, 09:57:58 PM
Cahill has to be replaced
Agree with this.Velios, obviously. I think Mikky has been a little shit, too. The pro foul on Seamus, and the protests about the 'handball'.
I would get Barkley on at some stage and Gueye, preferably before the 80th minute.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 09:58:29 PM
I'd take Cahill off, move Bily inside and put Barkley on the left. Or just swap Cahill for Barkley as he wont have much defensive responsibility playing just behind Saha.

I'd say that Cahill does have defensively responsibility, and I'd expect Barkley to have some as well if he was coming on to play there.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 10, 2011, 09:59:28 PM
Are you lot watching the same game as me ? It's 0-0 at ht against one of the form teams in the league on their ground and Howard has only had one real save to make .. so what if they've had a bit more possession , what did you expect ? Where is the 10-0 that some were predicting ?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:03:22 PM
Colemans the one to be careful with, he's been booked therefore if it stays as a drawer they'll look to get him sent off to help get them a result, can't spoil Arsenals big day afterall

Coleman and Arteta are both vulnerable as they both seem a bit petulant today.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on December 10, 2011, 10:04:59 PM
The players arenot playing bad. Just being outclassed by a supreme arsenal team.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 10:05:48 PM
Are you lot watching the same game as me ? It's 0-0 at ht against one of the form teams in the league on their ground and Howard has only had one real save to make .. so what if they've had a bit more possession , what did you expect ? Where is the 10-0 that some were predicting ?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NSNO curse! What have you done NMC?! WHAT HAVE YOU DOOONNNNNNEEEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dunkster on December 10, 2011, 10:05:55 PM
just keep running at mikel he has never been good at tackling.its the only way i see us getting a result as they wont cock up that many chances in the second half.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 10, 2011, 10:06:26 PM
Are you lot watching the same game as me ? It's 0-0 at ht against one of the form teams in the league on their ground and Howard has only had one real save to make .. so what if they've had a bit more possession , what did you expect ? Where is the 10-0 that some were predicting ?

Take off the specs mate, they not working
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 10:08:52 PM
I'd say that Cahill does have defensively responsibility, and I'd expect Barkley to have some as well if he was coming on to play there.

Yes but not as much as playing RM/LM as he would have to be more disciplined.  Also there is less danger to us if he gives the ball away high in Arsenals half.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:11:38 PM
Why does that stop play?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 10:12:22 PM
NEVER seen that before.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on December 10, 2011, 10:12:41 PM
wtf? stopped play because he lost a boot?

what a crock!!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 10:12:43 PM
What? What the fuck was that?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 10:13:43 PM
Fuck you Webb you fat cunt. Get a decent chance to attack and you stop because boot is off?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 10, 2011, 10:14:39 PM
Everyone stop what you're doing now!!!

Gervinho lost a hair elastic.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 10:14:56 PM
I'm puzzled. I've never seen anything like it. If it is a rule - how come it's never enforced?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:15:57 PM
I'm puzzled. I've never seen anything like it. If it is a rule - how come it's never enforced?

They were waiting for us to be attacking first.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 10:16:48 PM
Coleman better be careful.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dunkster on December 10, 2011, 10:17:03 PM
get coleman off
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 10, 2011, 10:17:27 PM
we could snatch this  if the right subs come on
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: marky v on December 10, 2011, 10:17:53 PM
Sub him now Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 10, 2011, 10:18:58 PM
We have no possession than when we do someone is offside.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 10:21:24 PM
Fantastic ball, that was some impressive defending from Vermaelen.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 10, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
saha looks knackered
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
Saha may as well not be on the pitch.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:23:40 PM
Distin coming on for Distin?!?!?!?!?!? Fellaini up top?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 10:24:05 PM
Hibbert, that was fantastic defending.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 10:24:13 PM
I'm puzzled. I've never seen anything like it. If it is a rule - how come it's never enforced?

Joey Yobo likes this.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 10:24:14 PM
fuck off moyes distin for saha.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 10:24:41 PM
Distin up front!?

:)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 10:24:51 PM
dp
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on December 10, 2011, 10:24:52 PM
not only being outplayed, but very sloppy when we do have possession

arsenal def look as if they want it more
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 10:24:58 PM
Distin for Saha? Playing for the 1-0 loss then.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 10, 2011, 10:25:32 PM
Just when we were looking promising he decides to pull off our only striker.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 10:25:40 PM
I assume that means Fellaini will be pushed forward.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 10:26:04 PM
Bill get booed or was that opportunistic stuff from the T.V because something else was going on?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:26:29 PM
Wow. Phil Neville the best shot for us all game :S
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 10, 2011, 10:27:16 PM
5-4-1 I guess now?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 10, 2011, 10:27:28 PM
we could win this game  wots moyes playing at
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:29:45 PM
In fairness things have stuck more with Fellaini further forward than they ever did with Saha.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:30:23 PM
Crap.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 10, 2011, 10:30:24 PM
we are playing better now since the sub
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 10:30:50 PM
fucked now
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on December 10, 2011, 10:30:50 PM
oh dear 1-0
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 10, 2011, 10:31:12 PM
Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 10, 2011, 10:31:33 PM
what a goal by RVP

fair play
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 10, 2011, 10:31:41 PM
Gutted, but that is a fantastic goal
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:31:47 PM
This game is the same as the Man City one.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dunkster on December 10, 2011, 10:31:56 PM
dont worry lads we will get back into it with our team of defenders.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 10:32:04 PM
Splendid goal. Hope we keep going. Not over till the fat lady...
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on December 10, 2011, 10:32:15 PM
theres always plan b lads......... oh wait.....
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:33:08 PM
If we had RVP we'd probably be doing as well as Arsenal. Obviously they are a better team, but what a difference someone who knows how to score makes.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:33:44 PM
Get Barkley on for 20 mins.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 10:33:59 PM
1-0 down, no recognised striker!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 10, 2011, 10:33:59 PM
That goal was pure class. Moyes needs to put on Mageye or Vellios on to try to pull one back. Got to press for a goal
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: marky v on December 10, 2011, 10:34:14 PM
still can't find Plan A
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on December 10, 2011, 10:35:11 PM
coz were shite and have been all season
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dunkster on December 10, 2011, 10:36:18 PM
make some changes for fucks sake.....sick of it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 10:36:55 PM
McAleny and Gueye?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 10, 2011, 10:36:58 PM
Blimey, Connor on - Moyes going for it?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on December 10, 2011, 10:37:03 PM
Still no Barkley??
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 10:37:13 PM
mcaleny theres a surprise
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:37:37 PM
Double sub, no Barkley or Vellios....surprising.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 10, 2011, 10:38:05 PM
Would have preferred to see Vellios instead, but I guess we will see if Conor can cope with the best.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 10:38:15 PM
Fucking hell, we're bringing a 12 year old on lol.

Good to see at least he's trying to go for it now. Bit late, but.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 10, 2011, 10:38:35 PM
mcaleny is actually a gun move by moyes, why use vellios when we have cahill and felliani
 pace pace


moyes got all the subs correct today
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 10:39:41 PM
mcaleny is actually a gun move by moyes, why use vellios when we have cahill and felliani
 pace pace


moyes got all the subs correct today


Except the first one.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on December 10, 2011, 10:41:37 PM
Well Barkley will end up same as Rooney... Pissed off he doesn't play and will fuck off first chance he gets
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:41:49 PM
Have we had a shot on target yet?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 10, 2011, 10:41:58 PM
Except the first one.
he made the sub and then we started playing better, we had more possession in a 5 min period then Arsenal and actually had some sustained pressure
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 10, 2011, 10:43:49 PM
Vellios isn't on the bench
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 10:44:35 PM
he made the sub and then we started playing better, we had more possession in a 5 min period then Arsenal and actually had some sustained pressure

And then we conceded a goal.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 10, 2011, 10:45:17 PM
Vellios isn't on the bench

He is,but we have made all our subs
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 10:45:22 PM
Well Barkley will end up same as Rooney... Pissed off he doesn't play and will fuck off first chance he gets

In fairness, Barkley hasn't been that impressive when he's played anyway.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Boredstiff on December 10, 2011, 10:45:42 PM
Just got in, are we playing like Barca yet?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on December 10, 2011, 10:47:13 PM
kenwright i hope u are watching its all your fault were shit
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:48:04 PM
Can anyone on our team get a chance on target? Better from the subs though.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:48:54 PM
In fairness, Barkley hasn't been that impressive when he's played anyway.

Really? Maybe not Rooney level, but he brought some inventiveness and drive to our midfield I thought.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:50:05 PM
Fizzling out. Or did it never get started?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 10:50:19 PM
And then we conceded a goal.

I really don't understand how that is Moyes' fault because of his substitution. You're drawing an exact correlation between his substitution and their goal, and that's simply not the case.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 10:51:20 PM
Could extrapolate it back ad absurdium and say Moyes being born was the original cause. Agree it makes no sense.

We've just lacked inventiveness all round. 
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 10, 2011, 10:51:28 PM
I really don't understand how that is Moyes' fault because of his substitution. You're drawing an exact correlation between his substitution and their goal, and that's simply not the case.
You could argue Song had a lot of time to pick RVP out because Fellaini had been moved out of the centre.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 10, 2011, 10:51:38 PM
We needed Drenthe. We don't have Drenthe.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 10:52:45 PM
I really don't understand how that is Moyes' fault because of his substitution. You're drawing an exact correlation between his substitution and their goal, and that's simply not the case.

I'm drawing the fact that by bringing on a defender for an attacker, we instantly lose any form of creative or attacking chance we had, even if tiny. At that point, we had seven defenders on the pitch. You're not going to win much with 7 defenders. It's Wally Smith all over again.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 10, 2011, 10:52:47 PM
Well at least we'll get a close look at our target Frimpong now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dunkster on December 10, 2011, 10:52:49 PM
jesus we are SHIT
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 10:52:51 PM
I don;t understand why only a few of our players randomly press, shouldn't the whole team be pressing?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 10:52:54 PM
mcaleny touched the ball?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on December 10, 2011, 10:53:12 PM
we need a whole new fucking side
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:53:26 PM
Oh...that was close.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 10:53:45 PM
Yeah, cracking attempt too.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 10, 2011, 10:53:59 PM
Really good attempt from Mcalney.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2011, 10:54:17 PM
Really? Maybe not Rooney level, but he brought some inventiveness and drive to our midfield I thought.

He's had his moments, but I don't think he's that ready to start yet.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 10, 2011, 10:54:49 PM
Great shot.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bigl1cks on December 10, 2011, 10:55:17 PM
7 defenders. Shite
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 10, 2011, 10:55:37 PM
Cut the time short as soon as we get the ball..,
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on December 10, 2011, 10:56:05 PM
we keep getting beat, we keep playing shit, we cant score, we cant buy players, we have cunts for owners weres the positives from our club?.....................
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 10:56:50 PM
shit team shit performance shit attack shit game
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Derek on December 10, 2011, 10:57:09 PM
It's becoming the same old story every week. We are stale. We simply don't have the players available (or the money to buy them) who can win us games more regularly.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 10:57:10 PM
:( came for a draw. Got nothing. Not all that surprising.

To be fair we were pretty comfortable in the 2nd, albeit without creating much of anything. But that is the difference when you have striker who knows where the net is.

As I said earlier, we'd be up around 4th too if we had RVP.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 10, 2011, 10:57:11 PM
Fantastic well deserved loss
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Verm on December 10, 2011, 10:57:30 PM
There haven't been any positives for a long time.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluenose 91 on December 10, 2011, 10:57:52 PM
Predictably boring and shit once again.

We badly need players in January.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dunkster on December 10, 2011, 10:58:30 PM
more ammo for the anti-moyes brigade of which i am rapidly becoming one. dont care if saha was tired and needed replacing, but with DISTIN?????????? thats 2 central defenders as the central midfield, a defensive midfielder as a striker. moyes hasnt got a fucking clue.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 10, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
Keep telling my mates that if their teams score 1 on us they are almost always guaranteed a draw or a win.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 10, 2011, 10:59:11 PM
we keep getting beat, we keep playing shit, we cant score, we cant buy players, we have cunts for owners weres the positives from our club?.....................

Ummm...

Name another who's supporters have a Bird of the Day thread?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: evertonjoe on December 10, 2011, 10:59:37 PM
Can anybody feasibly defend the decision to remove Saha and bring on Distin, if you play for a draw you almost inevitably lose.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 10, 2011, 10:59:44 PM
Great effort from McAleny at the end there.  Wasn't quite the 24-0 that someone predicted before the game, but even though it took a wonderstrike to beat us, we were still a bit too defensive, wins in our next 3 against Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland (think thats the next 3 anyway) and I wont be too disheartened by today's efforts
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Boredstiff on December 10, 2011, 11:00:07 PM
Real progress from Moyes they used to knock 6 past us.

Imagine Moyes supporters everywhere saying "he's the man" what a fucking no mark he is.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 11:00:11 PM
He's had his moments, but I don't think he's that ready to start yet.



But he should be getting some time from the bench at least. That said I'm pleased to see McAleny and Gueye see more time too.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 11:01:14 PM
Great effort from McAleny at the end there.  Wasn't quite the 24-0 that someone predicted before the game, but even though it took a wonderstrike to beat us, we were still a bit too defensive, wins in our next 3 against Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland (think thats the next 3 anyway) and I wont be too disheartened by today's efforts
we wont beat norwich or sunderland.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 10, 2011, 11:02:04 PM
wins in our next 3 against Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland (think thats the next 3 anyway) and I wont be too disheartened by today's efforts

Swansea and Norwich have been playing well. TBH all three will be tough games and I would honestly expect us to pick up 4-5 points from those.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross Kemp on December 10, 2011, 11:02:35 PM
Bollocks.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 10, 2011, 11:03:32 PM
Don't think Arsenal we're that great today, never got out of 1st gear, with better finishing there could and should have had about 4-5.We've managed two shots in about 180 mins of football. Fucking woeful. Gueye and McAleny did more then the useless pair of Saha and Cahill. No doubt Moyes will say we did well to restrict them to just a goal and the usual rubbish about playing well and nothing in the final third.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on December 10, 2011, 11:03:51 PM
Real progress from Moyes they used to knock 6 past us.

Imagine Moyes supporters everywhere saying "he's the man" what a fucking no mark he is.

no argument from me.

only their poor finishing prevented the 6. very little to do with us.

absolute rubbish perfomance
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on December 10, 2011, 11:04:05 PM
Didn't think we played badly, a far better and quicker side beat us.  The players we had out who would have started (Rodwell, Drenthe) would have made a big difference today, that's were we are.  A couple of our first eleven out kills us.  Saha coming off for Distin didn't lose us this game.  We actually looked at our most likely to score from the minute Saha came off the pitch.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ilikebrunettes on December 10, 2011, 11:04:11 PM
:( came for a draw. Got nothing. Not all that surprising.

To be fair we were pretty comfortable in the 2nd, albeit without creating much of anything. But that is the difference when you have striker who knows where the net is.

As I said earlier, we'd be up around 4th too if we had RVP.

dont kid yourself!

We have nobody to create anything for our strikers
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
we've not had a shot on target in two matches. shocking
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on December 10, 2011, 11:05:14 PM
if norwich beat us next week ( and lets not forget thay play football) were fucked. kenwright you twat, were shit lads really shit and have been from the beginning, dont fool ourselves its a relegation scrap in my eyes. goals win you games we cant shoot never mind fuckin score
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 10, 2011, 11:05:23 PM
Don't think Arsenal we're that great today, never got out of 1st gear, with better finishing there could and should have had about 4-5.We've managed two shots in about 180 mins of football. Fucking woeful. Gueye and McAleny did more then the useless pair of Saha and Cahill. No doubt Moyes will say we did well to restrict them to just a goal and the usual rubbish about playing well and nothing in the final third.

It is just a shame when you restrict them to a goal and can't do anything yourself. Hell I'd rather us be more prone to all 1-2 goals a game if it meant we scored 1-2 goals a game. Now we have become the team that plays for a draw or sits heavily back if they ever get a goal lead. Our tactics and mentality about attacking is absolutely pathetic.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on December 10, 2011, 11:06:11 PM
Beaten by a better quality team.  End of really !
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Optimistic Blue on December 10, 2011, 11:06:33 PM
dont kid yourself!

We have nobody to create anything for our strikers

Youve got Song, Arteta, Gervinho....
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 10, 2011, 11:07:00 PM
It is just a shame when you restrict them to a goal and can't do anything yourself. Hell I'd rather us be more prone to all 1-2 goals a game if it meant we scored 1-2 goals a game. Now we have become the team that plays for a draw or sits heavily back if they ever get a goal lead. Our tactics and mentality about attacking is absolutely pathetic.

what do u expect? we have the worst strike force in the league
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 11:07:29 PM
Can anybody feasibly defend the decision to remove Saha and bring on Distin, if you play for a draw you almost inevitably lose.

The sub in itself tried to address the problem (albeit a problem created by Moyes) - that is wasn't sticking up front with Saha up top. We did get things sticking more for that brief time when Fellaini pushed up...but then we missed Fellaini in the middle.

I don't think Saha should be starting games like this if our game plan relies on the striker holding the long ball (yes that is what we are playing often) and distributing it...not in Saha's locker. If Vellios isn't ready, try Strac or try the McAleny kid as at least he'd put pressure on defenders - something else Saha is unwilling to do.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 10, 2011, 11:08:30 PM
Honestly we need a 4-4-2 against Norwich. We have shown time and time again this 4-4-1-1 is not going to work for us. Moyes needs to shake things up and currently these next 3 games we desperately need to get points from.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 10, 2011, 11:08:36 PM
moyes has to piss off now sick of this shite
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross Kemp on December 10, 2011, 11:10:29 PM
Just remember guys...we put the effort in after Xmas...."We roll our sleeves up and, normally, after Christmas, climb the table." - Jageilka Vice captain.

Wonderful words.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 10, 2011, 11:11:24 PM
we've not had a shot on target in two matches. shocking

Really? That does sound right, but still shocking nonetheless. Or maybe appalling is the word. Time to give the kids a chance? Gueye, McAleny, Vellios, Barkley...FTW??? Or I'd take a shot on target to start with.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: }-m-a-c-c-a-{ on December 10, 2011, 11:11:47 PM
6 points from our next 2 games is a must anything less, then we're in trouble, that's what I believe!

I agree with the comments that we're usually conceding 4's, 5's and 6's against these so at least we at turned up.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Thom on December 10, 2011, 11:12:50 PM
Defensively we were much better. One or two mistakes but they were further up the pitch as opposed to being on the edge of the box, so that was fairly pleasing.

Heitinga and Fellaini should have closed Song down quicker, but you can't take anything away from Van Persie's finish. The ball to him and the finish were world class.

Was strange to see McAleny come on ahead of Barkley and Vellios, and despite Saha being woeful I wouldn't have brought Distin on; solely for the fact that Heitinga had been our best player playing as a centre back. We shouldn't be disrupting the backline during a match unless absolutely necessary.

Norwich and Swansea matches are massive now. Anything less than six points isn't worth thinking about.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on December 10, 2011, 11:18:19 PM
Another toothless performance, with no pace, threat or attacking enterprise. No creativity or composure on the ball, square pegs in round holes all over the pitch; it really does resemble the Smith era!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Wepull on December 10, 2011, 11:23:15 PM
I thought having no creative outlet in center hurt us a lot today. Bily and Coleman had decentish game but everytime the ball came in the middle there was no creativity and of course Neville should never play for us in CM.

Our defence was found wanting a lot many times in the 1st half and they could have easily scored 3.

Although the starting line up was ok except that we should have had someone who could pass the ball in center instead of Neville.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 10, 2011, 11:24:05 PM
Can't see us beating both Norwich and Swansea. 2 points possibly 4 from them and O'Neill will stabalise Sunderland. They will beat us.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 10, 2011, 11:26:29 PM
We have the smallest squad in the league and had 3 players out through injury , Rodwell , Ossie and Drenthe , ... Saha is clearly not fit enough but had to play , in the whole game Howard had 2 saves to make and couldnt get near a wonder goal from Van Persie who never got a sniff of anything else .. Unless we get money , quite soon to buy players then we are going to struggle ...We played a team today that are in fantastic form and full of confidence and we done as well as could be expected given the circumstances ... FFS give some credit where it's due !
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on December 10, 2011, 11:27:01 PM
moyes on ssn. "i thought the boys did a great job."

did anybody else?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 11:27:41 PM
                           howard
hibbert    jagielka              heitinga    baines
                  fellaini         rodwell
  coleman                                      drenthe
                           barkley
                             saha 

this should be our starting 11.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 10, 2011, 11:28:57 PM
                           howard
hibbert    jagielka              heitinga    baines
                  fellaini         rodwell
  coleman                                      drenthe
                           barkley
                             saha 

this should be our starting 11.

and if rodwell and drenthe had of been fit, thats how we probs would have lined up except cahill for barkley (his not fucking rooney guys come on)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on December 10, 2011, 11:29:42 PM
I don't get the clamour for Barkley, he needs more minutes definitely but he isn't the answer yet.  We have done this all season.  First he was the answer, then Vellios, then Gueye.  None of them are.  The answer is for us to sign a striker. 
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 10, 2011, 11:30:09 PM
moyes on ssn. "i thought the boys did a great job."

did anybody else?

They tried and tried. But just because you try doesn't mean you're good enough.

Every year we wait for this Christmas salvation. The idea that it's all better after Christmas, and we'll pick up and start collecting wins. Well, what if that doesn't happen? Then what do we do? I feel that there is way too much complacency with pre-Christmas losses and a feeling that our start matters less. The start matters just as much as the end, but just feels less intense. If you can rack up as many points as possible before Christmas, those points are just as valuable as ones after Christmas.

I'm honestly scared that Santa will stop delivering our annual Christmas revival, leaving us panicking.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Verm on December 10, 2011, 11:30:59 PM
Barkley may be a long way from the finished article but he still offers us a lot more than Tim Cahill does....
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on December 10, 2011, 11:34:14 PM
moyes on ssn. "i thought the boys did a great job."

did anybody else?

In terms of effort and concentration, I think they did well.

In terms of quality, clearly not, but that's hardly their fault.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 10, 2011, 11:34:55 PM
and if rodwell and drenthe had of been fit, thats how we probs would have lined up except cahill for barkley (his not fucking rooney guys come on)
would you rather Barkley or Cahill?  also today i'd have had gueye ahead of bily and heitinga in midfield ahead of neville with distin in defence.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on December 10, 2011, 11:35:29 PM
In terms of effort and concentration, I think they did well.

In terms of quality, clearly not, but that's hardly their fault.


Yep, that's the size of it.  They weren't good enough but they were not lacking in effort (perhaps Saha aside)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on December 10, 2011, 11:39:28 PM
would you rather Barkley or Cahill?  also today i'd have had gueye ahead of bily and heitinga in midfield ahead of neville with distin in defence.
Agree with this. Or another 'actual' striker with Saha. I love Tim, but he is best coming from midfield onto crosses, not at leading the line.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 11, 2011, 12:03:10 AM
Another game with the same high balls pumped into the box and picked off by defenders so easily It was good to see the 2 young subs having a go on the ground i the think they  were are best efforts of the game.why dont we take a leaf from sof and keep on playing the youngsters who imo have more go in them and are not afraid to have as shot at goal from outside the box.Lets face Saha is past it know ,and he is just being being carried.Hettinga and Jags playing great at the back also Hibbert .
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 11, 2011, 12:22:41 AM
Shogun, as much as Heitinga would improvement from Neville in midfield he has been massive for us at CB. I would not take him from there. If anything I would have had Bily in the middle and Gueye on the left. That would have given us some creativity and a different look than what Le Arse was expecting to get.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Azz on December 11, 2011, 12:29:20 AM
Checked out BBC Sport on my phone before I left work quickly and seen that Distin come on for Saha... I was thinking what the fuck, surely someone has got that wrong... but no... jesus christ!

McAleny coming on seemed a bit random given how Vellios has performed off the bench.   Noticed him and Gueye, both came on at the same time... judging by the times, too late once again? 

Again, I wonder what Barkley is thinking.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on December 11, 2011, 12:42:21 AM
so my prediction of a one goal defeat came true but i really wish it hadn't and that we actually had a go at them today. we are so stale and flat this season its almost untrue, without meaning to flog a dead horse we badly need some fresh faces in january, just something to liven the squad up

my dad, whose a red, had an interesting theory as to explain some of moyes' tactics and subs recently. maybe he is trying to prove a point to kenwright and co that replacements and funds are very much needed otherwise things like distin replacing saha will keep happening, causing detriment to on field results 

i think moyes needs to see that one up top has been used to death now and experiment with the formation, something like 4-4-2, 5-3-2 or 4-3-3 could be a saving grace for us. right now as it is its becoming a chore to get behind the team
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 11, 2011, 02:54:26 AM
if norwich beat us next week ( and lets not forget thay play football) were fucked. kenwright you twat, were shit lads really shit and have been from the beginning, dont fool ourselves its a relegation scrap in my eyes. goals win you games we cant shoot never mind fuckin score

lol Norwich play football? Are you kidding me? For some reason everyone seems to think that teams below us play football and lose, but they really don't.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 11, 2011, 03:01:30 AM
so my prediction of a one goal defeat came true but i really wish it hadn't and that we actually had a go at them today. we are so stale and flat this season its almost untrue, without meaning to flog a dead horse we badly need some fresh faces in january, just something to liven the squad up

my dad, whose a red, had an interesting theory as to explain some of moyes' tactics and subs recently. maybe he is trying to prove a point to kenwright and co that replacements and funds are very much needed otherwise things like distin replacing saha will keep happening, causing detriment to on field results 

i think moyes needs to see that one up top has been used to death now and experiment with the formation, something like 4-4-2, 5-3-2 or 4-3-3 could be a saving grace for us. right now as it is its becoming a chore to get behind the team

Moyes is not trying to lose us games, that's absolute insane.

If you look at the bench today though, the best player on there was Distin, and when he plays up top Fellaini is far more effective than anyone else, it's just that we then lose him in midfield.

The problem isn't Moyes, it's that right now, our best striker is a DM because we have a threadbare squad. We desperately need money or the kids are going to have to become extremely good over the next few months.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 11, 2011, 03:16:15 AM
lol Norwich play football? Are you kidding me? For some reason everyone seems to think that teams below us play football and lose, but they really don't.
they actually have a go at teams and attack rather than defend the entire match
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on December 11, 2011, 03:20:51 AM
they actually have a go at teams and attack rather than defend the entire match

exactly
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 11, 2011, 03:25:59 AM
Obviously you didn't watch their match against the shite, arsenal, man city, or united. Sat back the whole match in each of them.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 11, 2011, 03:30:00 AM
Really? That does sound right, but still shocking nonetheless. Or maybe appalling is the word. Time to give the kids a chance? Gueye, McAleny, Vellios, Barkley...FTW??? Or I'd take a shot on target to start with.
nail on the head blue.we have nothing to lose so lets put them out.ffs fergies playing them in the champions league hes rebuilding the team so are we (hopefully)ps did anyone see that pass of sahas in midfield ? he passed it to fellani ,fellani went foward and saha just stood there  freaking pathetic from a striker.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Azz on December 11, 2011, 05:05:31 AM
Some great crossing by Bily being shown on MOTD.  :/
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: EFCdanger on December 11, 2011, 05:21:30 AM
At least we're not Fulham. 10mil on a striker (we can only dream of at the moment) and they look more defensive and negative than us!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 11, 2011, 05:37:17 AM
Obviously you didn't watch their match against the shite, arsenal, man city, or united. Sat back the whole match in each of them.

Apparently you did not either b/c that is exactly what they did not do against L'Pool or United
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 11, 2011, 06:29:10 AM
Apparently you did not either b/c that is exactly what they did not do against L'Pool or United

lolol

Yea sure, they were dire against Liverpool and got out of that game based on last ditch defending and some John Ruddy magic.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: JoeHart on December 11, 2011, 07:43:27 AM
back from London.

we where poor again, reminded me of the city game where it was clear moyes was playing for a draw.

moyes is boring, negative, predictable - im sick of this faker.

we are the best club he will ever manage and he knows it, whcih means he will hang on and on and on until we have a chairman with balls to fire him and move us forward.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 11, 2011, 09:59:10 AM
Moyes is not trying to lose us games, that's absolute insane.

If you look at the bench today though, the best player on there was Distin, and when he plays up top Fellaini is far more effective than anyone else, it's just that we then lose him in midfield.

The problem isn't Moyes, it's that right now, our best striker is a DM because we have a threadbare squad. We desperately need money or the kids are going to have to become extremely good over the next few months.

Spot on  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: marky v on December 11, 2011, 03:11:58 PM
Someones already mentioned it but with only 3 injuries that was our bench ... disgusting even promoted sides have more options than us