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Title: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 02, 2012, 01:54:49 AM
We've gotta look to be taking all 3 points in this one against one of the poorest teams so far this season. Assuming none of today's players who missed out through injury are back I'd say this will be the team.

               Howard

Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines

Donovan Rodwell Heitinga Osman
                  Cahill
                  Anichebe

Donovan should start given that hes only available for a short time and given how early Saha was taken off and Vics goal factor from today I can see him starting, and if he does then good luck to the lad. Thought Denis was great today when he came on, either him or Vic should be given a start ahead of Saha on current form
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Verm on January 02, 2012, 02:22:44 AM
Vic's just back, I wouldn't even start him if he'd had an injury free year, never mind now.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2012, 02:25:39 AM
Vic's just back, I wouldn't even start him if he'd had an injury free year, never mind now.
he's a cert to start. moyes seems to love him. with his goal hes secured a start for the next ten games.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 02, 2012, 02:27:09 AM
Vic's just back, I wouldn't even start him if he'd had an injury free year, never mind now.

My thinking is that Moyes has got increasingly fed up with Saha, hence him being subbed off every game and he does seem to like Vic hence him given game time the first time he is back in the squad. Perhaps he will go with Donovan up top and someone else in midfield, but really think he should change the striking combo
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Verm on January 02, 2012, 02:29:29 AM
If he was to start Anichebe I'd rather see Stracq than Cahill.

Wouldn't feel comfortable knowing Vic was the only natural 'striker' on the pitch.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on January 02, 2012, 02:32:26 AM
howard
hibbert jags distin baines
osman rodwell heitinga drenthe
cahill
donovan

need some pace up there!

thse are shite 3-0 everton
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 02, 2012, 02:33:24 AM
If he was to start Anichebe I'd rather see Stracq than Cahill.

Wouldn't feel comfortable knowing Vic was the only natural 'striker' on the pitch.

I'm fairly certain that Vic and Straq would be a great partnership!Two loveable rogues!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2012, 02:36:37 AM
Im going to this one

Yeah playa
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: christiffa25 on January 02, 2012, 02:47:39 AM
I think Saha's early withdrawal was to make him available to start against Bolton. Vic has been out a while can't see him starting tbh.

For the first time I saw promise in straq. Still wouldn't be starting him over Saha. On Saha I think with Donovan in the team and if say pienaar or a creative midfielder comes in I think it will bring Saha to life.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Rhys on January 02, 2012, 02:57:21 AM
No chance Vic will start, moyes said he was tired after 25 mins on the pitch so no way will he or should he start. Let's leave him to come on for 25 mins again with their defence tiring and use him in the same way. Even when he is fully fit he doesn't have the fitness to last 90 mins.

Depends who is fit. I could see it being saha up front with osman behind him and drenthe and donovan on the wings if drenthe makes it. Then heitinga and one of cahill, rodwell in the middle or felli if he is back. And the same back four.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Thom on January 02, 2012, 03:28:10 AM
Really don't know who would start for us as the frontman, or on the wings. Anyone could be carrying a knock or pick up an injury in training at this time of year. The only certainty I would say is Howard and the back four. The other six places could be up for grabs depending on who is fit.

If the likes of Drenthe and Donovan start then I can see us winning. Not comfortably, but maybe a 1-0 or 2-0 scoreline. Bolton look hopeless so anything less than a win isn't worth thinking about.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 02, 2012, 03:33:03 AM
Agree with Rhys, no way Vic will start. You could see how exhausted he was when Morrison out ran him in the 92nd minute, normally he would have easily beat him.

I think we'll see this team:
              Howard
Hibbert Jags Distin Baines
          Rodwell Heitinga
Drenthe                  Osman
            Cahill Saha

Should be a win 2-0.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 02, 2012, 03:43:56 AM
1-0 same team as today but Neville out Donovan in. Think it will be comfortable the victory but we wont score more than 1
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: adamefc88 on January 02, 2012, 04:37:58 AM
personally i would go for

Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines
Drenthe Rodwell Heitinga Gueye
Osman
Donovan

If fit play Felliani and drop Distin to move Heitinga back to CB
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: efcraz on January 02, 2012, 05:18:36 AM
personally i would go for

Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines
Drenthe Rodwell Heitinga Gueye
Osman
Donovan

If fit play Felliani and drop Distin to move Heitinga back to CB

wouldnt drop Distin, he was a beast today!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: ForzaItalia on January 02, 2012, 05:35:44 AM
Howard

Hibbert  Jags  Distin  Baines

Donovan  Fellaini  Rodwell  Drenthe

       Osman

                Saha

I'm assuming Fellaini and Drenthe will be fit, Rodders won't be turning out for Chelsea and Donovan is fit enough to start.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 02, 2012, 08:04:19 AM
-------------------Howard------------------
Hibbert---Jags-------Distin-----Baines
------------Heitinga--Rodwell------------
Drenthe-----------Osman-----------Donovan
-----------------------Saha-------------------------


thats how i would line up
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: JoeHart on January 02, 2012, 01:56:50 PM
Howard

Hibbert Jags Heitinga Baines

Donovan  Rodwell Barkley  Drenthe

Saha  Mcfadden


we are playing a team with probably the worst defence in the league, which might be weakened again if Cahill goes before Wednesday. Plusd their keeper is now well past it and the Bolton home fans turned on him again on Saturday.

Break the habit of a life time moyes and attack
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: marky v on January 02, 2012, 07:23:37 PM
Bolton will break if we attack them they're rock bottom in confidence if we start to defensive then were going to lift them we need to go at tham with some width and options, so for me wide players drenthe if fit on the right osman on the left and saha and donovan upfront
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: marky v on January 02, 2012, 07:24:31 PM
Anichebe looked fucked give him 20 off the bench and an hour against tamworth
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 02, 2012, 07:28:08 PM
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines
Hetinga Rodwell
Donovan Osman Drenthe
Anichebe/Stracqualarsi

I would be happy with that
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 02, 2012, 08:30:04 PM
If he was to start Anichebe I'd rather see Stracq than Cahill.

Those two would rough some defenders up.

I'd like to see this line-up (assuming Felli is still out)

            Howard
Hibbo Jags Distin Baines
      Rodwell Heitinga
Donovan Osman Drenthe/Gueye/Bilya
               Saha

Or drop Osman and put Straq or Vic up top with Saha.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 02, 2012, 08:31:08 PM
I guess to be honest as long as it is a different starting line-up than against WBA I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: EFCdanger on January 02, 2012, 08:33:30 PM
             Howard
Hibbert Jags Distin Baines
Donovan Rodwell Heitinga Drenthe
               Osman
                Saha


Depending on the score bring Vic/Straq/Gueye on at around 60 mins.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: kunal32 on January 02, 2012, 09:24:09 PM
A game we should win but we all know that when we're expected to win the unexpected does often occur. 1-1
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Blake on January 02, 2012, 09:48:26 PM
Those two would rough some defenders up.

I'd like to see this line-up (assuming Felli is still out)

            Howard
Hibbo Jags Distin Baines
      Rodwell Heitinga
Donovan Osman Drenthe/Gueye/Bilya
               Saha

Or drop Osman and put Straq or Vic up top with Saha.


That's how I'd go. Donovan should be ready to start after being with the squad since last week. Drenthe was only out due to sickness apparently so should be back. He'll not drop Osman, only attacking player showing any sign of form over the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gumpinio on January 02, 2012, 10:24:21 PM
I am not up to date with our injuries, so assuming everyone is back.
I'd like us to play

                  Howard

Hibbert  Jagielka  Distin  Baines

Drenthe  Fellaini  Osman  Gueye

              
                Saha
                          Starq


But I think we will see

                  Howard

Hibbert  Jagielka  Distin  Baines

Osman  Neville  Fellaini  Drenthe

                    Cahill

                    Saha


I hope Donovan makes an appearance before the 89th minute.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: e.f.c on January 02, 2012, 10:30:17 PM
If Donovan and Drenthe start on the wings I may actually wet myself.*





*I am not incontinent so this would be genuine excitement and not a medical condition
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: taffytoffee on January 03, 2012, 03:31:24 AM
Howard

Hibbert  Jags  Distin  Baines

Donovan  Fellaini  Rodwell  Drenthe

       Osman

                Saha

I agree with this, theres goals in that team. predictiction 3-0 if we go with this 
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2012, 04:03:42 AM
Iv got a feeling Donovan will start on the bench followed by a starting role in the cup to get him up to speed.


Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: STUBBSY157 on January 03, 2012, 04:08:10 AM
Howard
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: STUBBSY157 on January 03, 2012, 04:13:08 AM
              Howard

Hibbert    Jags   Distin  Baines

             Rodwell    Felli

Drenthe      Barkley    Gueye

                  Strac

Bench.. Mucha. Heitinga. Cahill. Osman. Billy. Vic. Mcfadden.

Team if everybody is fit.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 03, 2012, 04:41:19 AM
             Howard

Hibbert    Jags   Distin  Baines

             Rodwell    Felli

Drenthe      Barkley    Gueye

                  Strac

Bench.. Mucha. Heitinga. Cahill. Osman. Billy. Vic. Mcfadden.

Team if everybody is fit.

No Donovan? Osman our best mid at present axed?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2012, 09:46:49 AM
If all fit would like to see for this one...

               Howard
Hibbert jags heitinga Baines
           Fellani Rodwell
Drenthe   Osman   Donovan
                Saha

Subs:mucha, Neville, Distin, Barkley, guaye, Cahill, straq

If Fellani or Rodwell don't make it would like to see Cahill get a game at CM. Barkley probably won't even make the bench if all fit. Moyes was saying were not gonna see him again till end of season!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 03, 2012, 10:11:38 PM
If all fit would like to see for this one...

               Howard
Hibbert jags heitinga Baines
           Fellani Rodwell
Drenthe   Osman   Donovan
                Saha

Subs:mucha, Neville, Distin, Barkley, guaye, Cahill, straq

If Fellani or Rodwell don't make it would like to see Cahill get a game at CM. Barkley probably won't even make the bench if all fit. Moyes was saying were not gonna see him again till end of season!


When did Moyes say Barkley wouldn't been seen until the end of the season? I was hoping over the busy schedule he'd be given some minutes. Shame if true.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: BootleBlueBoy on January 03, 2012, 10:16:28 PM
If all fit would like to see for this one...

               Howard
Hibbert jags heitinga Baines
           Fellani Rodwell
Drenthe   Osman   Donovan
                Saha

Subs:mucha, Neville, Distin, Barkley, guaye, Cahill, straq

thats what id like to see :)
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: efcraz on January 03, 2012, 11:52:38 PM
I'm actually quite looking forward to it tomorrow night! seems ages since Swansea!! not been to any of the away games over x mas!!

need a win and i think we will get a reasonably comfortable one! 3-1, dont care who scores but i think the Straq will!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Geordie Blue on January 04, 2012, 12:15:12 AM
I am not up to date with our injuries, so assuming everyone is back.
I'd like us to play

                  Howard

Hibbert  Jagielka  Distin  Baines

Drenthe  Fellaini  Osman  Gueye

              
                Saha
                          Starq


But I think we will see

                  Howard

Hibbert  Jagielka  Distin  Baines

Osman  Neville  Fellaini  Drenthe

                    Cahill

                    Saha


I hope Donovan makes an appearance before the 89th minute.


Lik this and think you could well be right. Like you would like to see Straq teamed with Saha for 45 minutes from the strat and if that still brings nothing out of Saha stick Vic on!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on January 04, 2012, 12:15:40 AM
My uncle got me a ticket for Christmas, I'm broke as a joke though So I'm going to have to lend even more money.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Geordie Blue on January 04, 2012, 12:17:03 AM
Sorry for the shocking spelling and over use of the word like in the previous post - couldn't see what I was typing :blush:
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alanvideo on January 04, 2012, 12:22:58 AM
Sorry for the shocking spelling and over use of the word like in the previous post - couldn't see what I was typing :blush:
......I liked it  :bonk: For tomorrow I'd like to see Neville ,Caha and Sahill on the bench  nod
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: plumber on January 04, 2012, 12:32:10 AM
I have a feeling McFadden will score an equalizer tomorow.
You read it here first .
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: 1244liam on January 04, 2012, 12:39:14 AM
 Would like to see this for future games, fellaini holding the ball up and feeding donovan and drenthe out on the
wings with rodwell making runs from midfield, heitinger giving cover.

                   Howard

Hibbert  Jagielka  Distin  Baines

Drenthe  Rodwell  Heitinga  Donovan
       
                    Fellaini

                      Saha
 
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Shogun on January 04, 2012, 01:11:14 AM
I have a feeling McFadden will score an equalizer tomorow.
You read it here first .

your sig  lolol :snigger: :clap:
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 04, 2012, 02:26:49 AM
Would like to see this for future games, fellaini holding the ball up and feeding donovan and drenthe out on the
wings with rodwell making runs from midfield, heitinger giving cover.

                   Howard

Hibbert  Jagielka  Distin  Baines

Drenthe  Rodwell  Heitinga  Donovan
       
                    Fellaini

                      Saha
 

Fellaini should never be played up front. He was only put there in his first season because he was useless for the position he was bought for.

But he has grown into his proper role much better now, so should remain there.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 04, 2012, 04:22:36 AM
Fellaini should never be played up front. He was only put there in his first season because he was useless for the position he was bought for.

But he has grown into his proper role much better now, so should remain there.

This
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: nomorechang on January 04, 2012, 01:42:43 PM
Fellaini should never be played up front. He was only put there in his first season because he was useless for the position he was bought for.

But he has grown into his proper role much better now, so should remain there.

I quite agree , Denis has shown that although he's not the most technically gifted player , his strength and willingness to compete means he is capable of unsettling defenders , I also think he's deceptively quick for a big man . I'd certainly be happy to see him start against Bolton
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Rhys on January 04, 2012, 07:23:37 PM
Fellaini should never be played up front. He was only put there in his first season because he was useless for the position he was bought for.

But he has grown into his proper role much better now, so should remain there.

Disagree.

None of the current forwards can hold the ball up, which makes it hard for the midfield to get the ball in good areas or into goalscoring positions. Fellaini when he goes up there, the ball sticks and he is excellent at bringing others into play further up the field.

Dont get me wrong it isnt ideal and we miss him in the middle, but we lack more up front than in midfield at the moment and I would use him there at certain times. Id try Osman and Saha again as it did ok in the last game together but if that isnt working I would rather see Fellaini up front with Saha than Cahill, Vellios or Denis for instance if it was starting a game.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 04, 2012, 10:37:45 PM
Maybe as a last resort if we're chasing a game (like we used to do with big Dave Watson), but it should never be considered a starting option imo.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 12:05:44 AM
media are reporting that donovan is starting
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Shogun on January 05, 2012, 12:18:31 AM
media are reporting that donovan is starting
excite excite excite excite excite!!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Snipellis11 on January 05, 2012, 12:23:22 AM
media are reporting that donovan is starting

I really hope he does start, i bet all of us will be looking for his name first on the team sheet.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 12:24:34 AM
Oh my gooooodddddddddd!!!!!  Excited!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Shogun on January 05, 2012, 12:31:47 AM
No Fellaini or Drenthe tonight. Not arrived in the players car park and the last of the players just arrived.
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Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 12:35:03 AM
Shorty got his info wrong then.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 12:49:40 AM
too bad if true
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Shogun on January 05, 2012, 12:50:35 AM
                           Howard
 Hibbert  Jagielka                 Distin  Baines
               Heitinga         Rodwell
  Donovan                                   Osman
                            Cahill
                             Saha

that's my prediction.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 05, 2012, 12:50:55 AM
Shorty got his info wrong then.

Hopefully that means he got his info wrong about Drenthe not signing too then!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 12:55:19 AM
Hopefully that means he got his info wrong about Drenthe not signing too then!
lets hope
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Thom on January 05, 2012, 01:06:23 AM
Donovan and Stracqualursi in for Rodwell and Cahill.

Howard, Hibbert, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Donovan, Neville, Heitinga, Osman, Stracqualursi, Saha.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 01:07:05 AM
Donovan and Stracqualursi in for Rodwell and Cahill.

Howard, Hibbert, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Donovan, Neville, Heitinga, Osman, Stracqualursi, Saha.

Is that confirmed?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: CarlosAlberto on January 05, 2012, 01:07:18 AM
Bogdan in goal for them. Now is a good time to score a few.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Cozzie on January 05, 2012, 01:09:25 AM
Anyone know the bench?

Gutted Fellaini isnt in there and also Drenthe.

Didnt Expect Donovan to start but made up about that, also great that Saha has a partner!

Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: jongre123 on January 05, 2012, 01:09:58 AM
Edit: already posted and missed Osman out anyway.

Two defensive central midfielders,  brilliant  :eh:
Title: Re: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bally on January 05, 2012, 01:10:54 AM
Need text updates please for the first half well up until 20.35 at least many thanks in advance fucking work
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: everton-4-ever on January 05, 2012, 01:11:17 AM
Donovan and straq start confirmed by snods
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 01:11:36 AM
Everton XI v Bolton: Howard, Hibbert, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Donovan, Neville, Heitinga, Saha, Stracqualursi

Already had someone sent off! The FA hates Merseyside!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: jongre123 on January 05, 2012, 01:11:45 AM
Subs: Mucha, Bilyaletdinov, McFadden, Cahill, Gueye, Rodwell, Anichebe
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: jongre123 on January 05, 2012, 01:12:38 AM
Already had someone sent off! The FA hates Merseyside!

Yep, updated my post just before you replied anyway. Twitter feed got it wrong.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: STUBBSY157 on January 05, 2012, 01:12:46 AM
For me this is the make or break game for Saha. Im fed up with him

He has a partner tonight up top so lets see a performance.

I keep hearing he needs a strike partner so here we go..

Fairly hapy with the team given the injuries we have. Just a shame Neville is in midfield with Jonny.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 01:14:24 AM
That's a brilliant bench, all of Rodwell, Cahill, Anichebe, and Bily can bring a different set of qualities and all can be a goal threat.

Hoping for a Donovan master-class tonight, put him in my fantasy lineup predicting him to start today and against Spurs. Hopefully he hits the ground running like last time out against Arsenal!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 01:14:51 AM
Happy with the team although obviously would have preferred Vic or Gueye in and Osman out.  Still, considering injuries that a strong lineup!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 01:15:14 AM
well on for stracq, lets hope he can build on the performance against WB
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Derek on January 05, 2012, 01:15:56 AM
We gonna win then ladies?

I'm feeling good about it! Donovan feel good factor maybe give us all a lift!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 01:17:57 AM
We gonna win then ladies?

I'm feeling good about it! Donovan feel good factor maybe give us all a lift!

I think so.  A good physical side to cope with Bolton with some piece from Donovan and Baines plus options from the bench.  2-0.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 01:19:12 AM
Shorty got his info wrong then.

I'm honestly starting to believe he isn't ITK. He just comes on here an makes general posts that rarely come true. Hell, I could have a 50% rumor success rate if I just say things like "Arteta may be sold to the Gunners today" after many media outlets report that it is happening.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 05, 2012, 01:19:16 AM
Despite the two defenders in the central midfield, that still should be a good enough team to beat Bolton.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 01:21:45 AM
Two defensive central midfielders,  brilliant  :eh:

Baby steps....
We are finally in a 4-4-2 so we don't want to ruin it by going all out attacking and losing 1/2-0. Just imagine when Neville and Tinga are replaced by Rodders and Felli.

Also....I love the bench for this match. Could really add a spark although I'm hoping we will not need it.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 01:22:11 AM
i am really annoyed about having no defenders on the bench, i wonder where they all are!

but in more seriousness think we have goals in that lineup and a strong bench
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 01:23:25 AM
Bolton
01 Bogdan
02 Steinsson
05 Cahill
12 Knight
18 Ricketts
06 Muamba
07 Eagles
10 Petrov
16 M Davies
19 Reo-Coker
24 Ngog

nothing superbly frightening in terms of matchup from a defensive standpoint. COYB!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 01:23:39 AM
Woohoo Straq gets a starts, get in Moyes!!!!! coyb
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: sam of the south on January 05, 2012, 01:35:55 AM
I'm feeling optimistic; 2 proper Strikers, wooooh! Shame Drenthe isn't there, I wonder if we will ever see him and Donovan/another proper Winger in the same side?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 01:36:53 AM
Made up with the formation! 3 strikers on the pich (bloody hell)
Could see this being a good night. Hope straq proves me wrong as I don't rate him.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Joe on January 05, 2012, 01:37:16 AM
Big Dennis nod Yesssss! COYB
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 01:39:23 AM
Made up with the formation! 3 strikers on the pich (bloody hell)
Could see this being a good night. Hope straq proves me wrong as I don't rate him.

I'm assuming you mean 2 strikers....(Lando isn't a striker he is a midfielder/winger), but I'm sure in Moyes's eyes he is.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: bigac on January 05, 2012, 01:40:07 AM
Wow, 2 strikers, Moyes has turned a corner. Oh no wait, we have 2 defenders at cm to create the magic. Thats entertaiment!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 01:41:24 AM
Re Landon:

Everton won all five games he played in at Goodison Park last time around.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 01:43:48 AM
For me this is the make or break game for Saha. Im fed up with him

He has a partner tonight up top so lets see a performance.

I keep hearing he needs a strike partner so here we go..

Fairly hapy with the team given the injuries we have. Just a shame Neville is in midfield with Jonny.

It doesn't help matters that some so called Everton "supporter" just spouted racist abuse at him on twitter, and he responded. Hope it doesn't  affect him. @gardner_efc - Callum Gardner
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: plumber on January 05, 2012, 01:45:49 AM
Everyone seems so excited.
I'm not really.

Two defenders in central midfield and two non scoring strikers doesn't look very impressive.
Let's hope Donovan will save us.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 05, 2012, 01:46:23 AM
I think Saha will play in the cahill role today

I expect him to score a 20 yarder tonight
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 01:46:46 AM
I'm assuming you mean 2 strikers....(Lando isn't a striker he is a midfielder/winger), but I'm sure in Moyes's eyes he is.

Yer for us, but he's also played as a striker.
Anyway I'm just happy we have a more attacking team out, ok the CM partnership is not ideal but I believe if we had a fit felli and a fully fit Rodders they would have started.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 05, 2012, 01:46:55 AM
Everyone seems so excited.
I'm not really.

Two defenders in central midfield and two non scoring strikers doesn't look very impressive.
Let's hope Donovan will save us.

Thats the spirit lad
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 01:48:39 AM
I don't see Saha improving tonight, he might score, but he really is the laziest striker I've ever seen in my life, and his overall performances have been shambolic.

I'd happily be proved wrong though! :)
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 01:51:24 AM
Maybe if stracq can create some space for him it will help, we will see
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 05, 2012, 01:51:39 AM
I don't see Saha improving tonight, he might score, but he really is the laziest striker I've ever seen in my life, and his overall performances have been shambolic.

I'd happily be proved wrong though! :)

I reckon free role tonight.... Might get a bit outta him. Also if he can get on the ball rather than spend his time jumping for headers and getting wellied it could bring sommet outta him

Yes I know I am clutching here
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: ally2 on January 05, 2012, 01:51:50 AM
That line up screams long ball
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: sam of the south on January 05, 2012, 01:52:28 AM
It doesn't help matters that some so called Everton "supporter" just spouted racist abuse at him on twitter, and he responded. Hope it doesn't  affect him. @gardner_efc - Callum Gardner

He is saying his Kopite mate did it from his phone. In the same time period he tweeted Robbie Savage calling him a Welsh Munich, very Kopite thing to do. A few days ago he was condemning Suarez, so I believe him.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Snipellis11 on January 05, 2012, 01:54:09 AM
COYB!!!! 3 points today please
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 01:55:11 AM
He is saying his Kopite mate did it from his phone. In the same time period he tweeted Robbie Savage calling him a Welsh Munich, very Kopite thing to do. A few days ago he was condemning Suarez, so I believe him.

Check the picture he posted in November. He's just some racist dick. Had a bit of a twitter rant because of it.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: bryan on January 05, 2012, 01:56:45 AM
Yes, three points please.  I don't think it bodes well to make so many changes, as there is very little continuity to the attackers (and I use attackers very lightly).  I can see the pre-match excitement from the supporters turning into a 0-1 loss and blamefest.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 01:57:26 AM
We have noone else to play in cm hence Heitinga/Neville the only choice Moyes had to make was with the forwards and he got it half right so woohoo!!!!! coyb!!!

Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 05, 2012, 01:59:15 AM
We have noone else to play in cm hence Heitinga/Neville the only choice Moyes had to make was with the forwards and he got it half right so woohoo!!!!! coyb!!!



Isn't Osman a midfielder?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 02:02:59 AM
YE but not really a central midfielder in a 2 bit lightweight no?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 02:03:25 AM
See the look Jags gave Strac there? lolol
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 05, 2012, 02:06:10 AM
YE but not really a central midfielder in a 2 bit lightweight no?

He's best in the cm role. Could have had Geuye on the left and drop Neville out altogether.

But this should be enough to beat the worst team in the league.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alex6691 on January 05, 2012, 02:11:19 AM
I really can see Straq doing well.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Danny on January 05, 2012, 02:12:36 AM
Stream?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alex6691 on January 05, 2012, 02:14:17 AM
http://atdhenet.tv/42389/watch-everton-vs-bolton (http://atdhenet.tv/42389/watch-everton-vs-bolton)

There. Oh and the commentator saying Donovan doesn't have blistering pace? Pfft.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 02:15:46 AM
Saha, I'm not even gonna comment.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Trowel on January 05, 2012, 02:15:48 AM
Sahahahahaha..........
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 02:16:17 AM
That was easier than he made it look. Come on Saha.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: minty on January 05, 2012, 02:17:30 AM
Saha is going to have to improve to deserve a match rating of 2  :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 05, 2012, 02:22:57 AM
Saha is going to have to improve to deserve a match rating of 2  :headbang:

He's probably forgotten what it's like to have a chance. We look far better without Cahill in.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 02:24:37 AM
He's probably forgotten what it's like to have a chance. We look far better without Cahill in.

We look the same as we have almost all season.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 02:24:53 AM
Like the look of Straq so far. There's not much finesse about him but he's putting himself about, making plenty movement and generally keeping the defence on their toes. Far more  effective than Cahill has been.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Nicco on January 05, 2012, 02:25:16 AM
Straq seems to find the end of Baines crosses..!

That must please Moyes!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 05, 2012, 02:25:51 AM
We look the same as we have almost all season.

We look like we're going to score.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 02:26:33 AM
Nice control Shitha.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Amata on January 05, 2012, 02:28:32 AM
Saha's first touch and passing has been woeful.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 02:29:18 AM
We look like we're going to score.

We do?

For me we only look more likely to score because they are terrible, 1 clean sheet in 35 away games says it all about their defense really.

I haven't seen any difference in our approach play or chance creation other than Strac causing some minor problems and Knight with a horrible defensive header.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 02:29:28 AM
Nice control Shitha.

Sahas confidence is clearly low, he needs a goal
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 05, 2012, 02:29:45 AM
Donovan looked any good?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: minty on January 05, 2012, 02:30:19 AM
We look like we're going to score.

We playing the team with the worst defense in the league and we look awful. Ok not all saha's fault. A lot down to the lack of creativity in centre of midfield but don't see how cahill could possibly have done worse than strac and saha so far.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 02:30:44 AM
Off to work now, hopefully we score in the first half and can put this game away instead of a late second half goal as usual. Although I'll take that too!

COYB!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: bigac on January 05, 2012, 02:34:31 AM
Once again this is so bad. Midfield really struggling. Cant play more than 1 pass and that is only going sideways. The gap between midfield and forwards is wider than the grand canyon.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 02:37:40 AM
Given the conditions it was never going to be a classic.

It's not been nearly as bad as some people are making out.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 05, 2012, 02:38:28 AM
Jags is wearing a g string.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 02:38:47 AM
I think the weather will win this one tonight.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 05, 2012, 02:39:12 AM
Given the conditions it was never going to be a classic.

It's not been nearly as bad as some people are making out.
It can't be that bad, because I'm optimistic we're going to score soon.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 02:40:00 AM
Not looking good for Jags.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 02:40:11 AM
Am sorry but stracq is never a prem striker. Hope he proves me wrong buts he really not.
If jags is injured, drop heitinga in and Rodders on
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 02:40:15 AM
Jags going off. 
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 02:40:56 AM
Jags injured...
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alex6691 on January 05, 2012, 02:41:24 AM
Am sorry but stracq is never a prem striker. Hope he proves me wrong buts he really not.
If jags is injured, drop heitinga in and Rodders on

Hes not had a clear chance yet for fuck sake.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 02:41:45 AM
The way he went down looks like something may have been torn. My guess is a potential MCL or LCL tear (not looking like an ACL or PCL injury). At least this drops Heitinga and Distin at the back which many of us have wanted to see for awhile. Rodders to CM so could help us going forward.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 02:41:55 AM
Oh my godddddd we are sooooo slow breaking. 
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 02:43:56 AM
how is that not a penalty
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 02:44:03 AM
How is that not a pen?!?? 

Great touch from Straq!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 02:44:46 AM
Hes not had a clear chance yet for fuck sake.

4yards out with his header, pretty clear cut! It's his all round play he just doesn't look good on the ball. If he proves me wrong ill hold my hands up, should of bin a pen!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: minty on January 05, 2012, 02:45:23 AM
Given the conditions it was never going to be a classic.

It's not been nearly as bad as some people are making out.

osman and baines have been good going forward. Donovan not too bad. Would expect more against the bottom team.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Amata on January 05, 2012, 02:45:25 AM
Excellent there by Straq
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 02:45:26 AM
Great lay off for Straq to Donovan. Shame he went down in the box as he would have had a great chance on goal.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 05, 2012, 02:45:32 AM
agree with Gash, not been as bad as some are making out.
playing into the wind, that could be why we are so slow getting the ball forward, hopefully with the wind behind us we can be faster.

penalty ffs  shakeyheadman
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 02:45:32 AM
How was that not a pen?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 02:46:32 AM
That would have been a soft pen, it's was more a pen than Sunderland but still would have been soft.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 02:46:37 AM
Donovan looked any good?
hes put in a few decent runs and looked as if he had earned us a penalty off a nice run into the box off a quality flick by the stracq, we are trying to use him and playing up the right more than usual but so far with not that much real effect.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 05, 2012, 02:47:24 AM
That was a pen in the same way Osman's against Sunderland wasn't.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alex6691 on January 05, 2012, 02:47:32 AM
4yards out with his header, pretty clear cut! It's his all round play he just doesn't look good on the ball. If he proves me wrong ill hold my hands up, should of bin a pen!!!!!!

4-6 yards out with horrible conditions, looked to head it down to a tap in from another player rather than go for goal. I just think its stupid to make a decision on a player who's earned his first start.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 02:48:01 AM
not sure there was a huge amount of contact to be honest

the replays have been very poor though!
was quite a decent flick on by the stracq
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 02:49:35 AM
Why would he go over then ? hes clean through
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 02:49:57 AM
4-6 yards out with horrible conditions, looked to head it down to a tap in from another player rather than go for goal. I just think its stupid to make a decision on a player who's earned his first start.

Yer ok I see where you are coming from. 4-6 yards out you should be looking to score not assist!
Where all entitled to an opinion and I just don't see it in him, great work rate but that's it at the moment. O yer nice lay off to.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Polledreng on January 05, 2012, 02:50:09 AM
That would have been a soft pen, it's was more a pen than Sunderland but still would have been soft.
this
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 02:50:16 AM
Seen them given as many times as I've seen them not. Without the blue blinkers on for a minute I think Donovan went down very easily.

We're playing with the wind second half!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Polledreng on January 05, 2012, 02:50:51 AM
Why would he go over then ? hes clean through
just like Osman - do you think Donovan went down on purpose ??
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 02:51:04 AM
Easily the better team although Bolton could have scored.  Impressed by Osman, Baines, Strac and Donovan.  It's like Donovan has never been away! Would be tempted to bring Vic on for Saha second half.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Thom on January 05, 2012, 02:51:31 AM
He's clean through on goal and his left leg gets clipped by Ricketts' left leg. Stonewall penalty.

Gutted to see Jagielka go off injured, and the conditions certainly aren't making things easy. Hopefully with the wind behind us in the second half we'll see some mistakes in their backline that we can exploit.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Polledreng on January 05, 2012, 02:51:45 AM
We playing the team with the worst defense in the league and we look awful. Ok not all saha's fault. A lot down to the lack of creativity in centre of midfield but don't see how cahill could possibly have done worse than strac and saha so far.
  this bring on Cahill and Vic - Can't be worse
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: ilikebrunettes on January 05, 2012, 02:52:00 AM
Seen them given as many times as I've seen them not. Without the blue blinkers on for a minute I think Donovan went down very easily.

We're playing with the wind second half!

terrible dive. If that was suarez we would be going ape shit.

cheating from Donovan pure and simple
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 02:52:59 AM
mixed bag from stracq in the 1st half, couple balls in the air he should have done better with, but decent flick on and one ok shot gone wide. to be fair to him the wind has probably made it difficult
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2012, 02:53:03 AM
Sick of watching that lazy sack of shit Saha going thru the motions.

Never thought I'd say this, but get Anichebe on
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 02:53:03 AM
The wind is clearly making it very hard to track the flight of the ball, so I'll give Straq the benefit of the doubt for the header from Baines' cross.

Tough half, I hope we can find a way through in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 02:53:15 AM
He's clean through on goal and his left leg gets clipped by Ricketts' left leg. Stonewall penalty.

Stonewall? If that was given against us we rightly be going mental.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 02:54:18 AM
Stonewall? If that was given against us we rightly be going mental.
hard to say this either way, as mentioned the replays have been generally poor, can't really see if his leg is impeded or not
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Polledreng on January 05, 2012, 02:55:05 AM
to get a penalty?
not the Everton or Donovan way - but agree with you - no pen just unlucky Donovan slipped
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: christiffa25 on January 05, 2012, 02:55:28 AM
50/50 that penalty for me.

I think Saha is linking up well, wouldn't make any changes yet. Straq looks like a tryer and a worker but lay off aside he's lacking quality bless him!

Our game for the taking.... Ossie MOM so far!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 02:55:46 AM
to get a penalty?

Hes not that type of player
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: sam of the south on January 05, 2012, 02:56:00 AM
Sick of watching that lazy sack of shit Saha going thru the motions.

Never thought I'd say this, but get Anichebe on

Me too. Lost any faith in him. I hope he proves me wrong of course. His ball to Straq when we had a break on was awful, played it behind him.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 02:56:15 AM
never a penalty but havent played that bad, gueye and anichebe 2nd half straq and neville off, more likely to be cahill and anichebe for straq and saha tho
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Danny on January 05, 2012, 02:57:36 AM
I think he dived, to people saying "Why would he go down when through" because he wasn't, he'd just touched the ball with his left foot by accident and then threw himself to the floor. Seen them  given though and it was worth a try, our players don't go down enough imo.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: toffeeglas on January 05, 2012, 02:57:41 AM
Me too. Lost any faith in him. I hope he proves me wrong of course. His ball to Straq when we had a break on was awful, played it behind him.
anichebe put himself about when he came on against west brom. He at least looked hungry, unlike Saha

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Title: Re: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bally on January 05, 2012, 02:57:56 AM
Guessing this games been shit then
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 02:58:07 AM
is velios on the bench?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 02:58:45 AM
Guessing this games been shit then
couple short glimpses of decent football but for the most part yes
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 02:58:47 AM
Wind with us in the second half and Baines whipping in some good corners will bring the 3 points. Distin first, then Cahill :hail:

Seen it 3-4 times and looks like a push in the back knocks Donavon off balance, I would accept that against us as a pen and stupidity by the defender.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Barry1878 on January 05, 2012, 02:58:59 AM
Glad I don't go anymore!
Less than 30k attendance .....you getting the message you lying prick
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: christiffa25 on January 05, 2012, 02:59:06 AM
He didn't play the ball behind him... The wind held it up!

Saha will score today
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Polledreng on January 05, 2012, 03:00:06 AM
is velios on the bench?
nope
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:00:20 AM
Glad I don't go anymore!
Less than 30k attendance .....you getting the message you lying prick

Just seen the attendance 29,561 very poor from us
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alex6691 on January 05, 2012, 03:01:11 AM
Yer ok I see where you are coming from. 4-6 yards out you should be looking to score not assist!
Where all entitled to an opinion and I just don't see it in him, great work rate but that's it at the moment. O yer nice lay off to.

Probably should be looking to score. But its because of the uncertainty of what he was doing is why I'm saying its unfair to rate him already. You could maybe knock his thinking but until hes had a few chances I just cant agree. Plus, he needs a little bit to adapt.. The Argentinian league is not of a standard close to Premier League. Indeed we are mate! Thats why we all come on here, friendly banter. :)
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:02:31 AM
  this bring on Cahill and Vic - Can't be worse

Cahill's been worse for pretty much the whole season. I like Cahill, but give Straq a break - clearly the conditions are miserable.

I'm sure Vic will get another 20 mins or so. I'd rather take one of the DMs off (Neville) so we'll actually create more chances. If it wasn't for Baines we'd have created pretty much zero opportunities that half.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:03:24 AM
Probably should be looking to score. But its because of the uncertainty of what he was doing is why I'm saying its unfair to rate him already. You could maybe knock his thinking but until hes had a few chances I just cant agree. Plus, he needs a little bit to adapt.. The Argentinian league is not of a standard close to Premier League. Indeed we are mate! Thats why we all come on here, friendly banter. :)


It's all about the banter :) fingers crossed for a goal or two now ay
Stracq with them both ;)
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 03:03:31 AM
Interesting figures at half time. Donovan, Strac, Neville and then Osman - Everton players who covered the most ground that half.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alex6691 on January 05, 2012, 03:04:31 AM
It's all about the banter :) fingers crossed for a goal or two now ay
Stracq with them both ;)

Hopefully!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Amata on January 05, 2012, 03:05:04 AM
Straq has got more composed as the game has gone on.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:05:12 AM
Probably should be looking to score. But its because of the uncertainty of what he was doing is why I'm saying its unfair to rate him already. You could maybe knock his thinking but until hes had a few chances I just cant agree. Plus, he needs a little bit to adapt.. The Argentinian league is not of a standard close to Premier League. Indeed we are mate! Thats why we all come on here, friendly banter. :)

It's all about the banter mate. Fingers crosse for a couple of goals this half. Stracq with them both ;)
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 03:06:43 AM
Straq has got more composed as the game has gone on.
agreed put in a nice pass a moment ago
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: NYToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:07:26 AM
Isn't he?

I've not watched that much of him except in an Everton shirt 2 years ago

Definitely not. Have watched him for years, and I'd be just as surprised to see Donovan dive as I would Baines, or Seamus. Not a cynical player.

I've actually been fairly impressed by Stracq thus far. Him + someone who gave a shit (and possessed Saha's technical ability) would be a formidable strike partnership.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:07:45 AM
Cracking save by Howard
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 03:07:54 AM
howard bailed us out brilliant save
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:08:13 AM
Great save tim
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: ilikebrunettes on January 05, 2012, 03:09:52 AM
newcastle are 2-0 up on the mancs. Cant see us catching them
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 03:10:12 AM
Is Neville even playing???
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alex6691 on January 05, 2012, 03:10:27 AM
I wonder when Eagles will come out of the closet.....
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:10:35 AM
newcastle are 2-0 up on the mancs. Cant see us catching them

Games far from over
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 03:11:04 AM
Osman off? Must have a knock?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:11:09 AM
He's our most creative mid!!!!!! He must have an injury
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:11:36 AM
Osman injured?? Can't think he'd be off otherwise.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:12:04 AM
We are all over the place at the moment.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 03:12:14 AM
Don't say Osman has a knock too :S
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:12:37 AM
Is Neville even playing???
He doesn't give an option when we are in possession, when we have a throw he just watches!!!! Frustrating
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 03:12:58 AM
Neville done nothing at all tonight. 
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 03:13:17 AM
Is Neville even playing???

According to half time stats, he was 3rd in the list of players who covered the most ground.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Nicco on January 05, 2012, 03:14:31 AM
Neville done nothing at all tonight. 
But he has done that very effectively!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 03:15:19 AM
such a poor team its so depressing to be an evertonian
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 05, 2012, 03:15:29 AM
any links? mines just gone down :(
Title: Re: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 03:17:18 AM
Howard has been superb tonight

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:17:49 AM
Howard keeping us in it at the moment, keep it up tim
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:18:04 AM
http://atdhenet.tv/42389/watch-everton-vs-bolton (http://atdhenet.tv/42389/watch-everton-vs-bolton)
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: everton.chris on January 05, 2012, 03:18:37 AM
Who are the bottom team
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bluenosebolt on January 05, 2012, 03:18:43 AM
Cant believe we cant play (A) feckin ball on the ground, We really do miss Arteta an Pienaar this season, Why persist with this shite when we have players on the bench / Squad....being out passed and played by fuckin Bolton is very sad.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 03:18:54 AM
Howard has been superb tonight

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed
against bolton at home says everything about everton
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:19:00 AM
Not our night!!!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:19:04 AM
Rod well is made of glass.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 03:19:10 AM
Fuck sake. Rodwell off now as well.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 03:19:19 AM
oh nooooooo... at least straq will get 90 mins
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 03:19:29 AM
fuckin our luck
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 03:19:34 AM
Fuck....Rodwell off. Hoping all 3 of these injuries are not serious.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 03:19:53 AM
3 injuries ffs
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 03:19:59 AM
oh nooooooo... at least straq will get 90 mins
so will saha
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:20:00 AM
Rodwell off. FFS
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 03:20:40 AM
HOWARD with the goal!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 03:20:43 AM
unbelievable
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Nicco on January 05, 2012, 03:20:52 AM
HOWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:21:01 AM
Howard keeping us in it at the moment, keep it up tim

Ya Beatty . Timmy
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bluenosebolt on January 05, 2012, 03:21:18 AM
LOLOLOlll


fuckin howard really is keeping us in this !!!!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 03:21:31 AM
man of match
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 03:21:40 AM
I wonder how many points that gets you in fantasy football? Surely 100 at minimum.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alex6691 on January 05, 2012, 03:21:48 AM
Our strikers wont do it so Howard will!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:21:55 AM
Hahaha Howard mom!!!!! I had him 1st goal   :tongue:
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 03:22:02 AM
LOL!!!!!!!! Super Timmy Howard!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: ilikebrunettes on January 05, 2012, 03:22:07 AM
ha ha spawny bastards
Title: Re: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 03:22:09 AM
Howard walking motm

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2012, 03:22:27 AM
PMSL.  Get in there Timmy lad!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Thom on January 05, 2012, 03:22:33 AM
lolol Howard! I knew the wind would work in our favour this half!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 03:22:38 AM
Howard has been superb tonight

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed

Meh. he's been ok.

 lolol
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:22:39 AM
Howard is a one man team tonight.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 03:22:46 AM
 lolol so fucking awesome ...... hes taking them on alone!!!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 03:22:47 AM
The commentators just made fun of Hibbert since he hasn't scored yet and Howard has.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: JoeHart on January 05, 2012, 03:23:00 AM
We suffering from Moyes and his negative crap once again



Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: toffeeglas on January 05, 2012, 03:23:03 AM
Who needs strikers!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alex6691 on January 05, 2012, 03:23:27 AM
Its great how Howards Wikipedia has been updated already hahahahaha.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:24:33 AM
Howard scores before Hibbert - amazing!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Nicco on January 05, 2012, 03:24:51 AM
The commentators just made fun of Hibbert since he hasn't scored yet and Howard has.
Even the Swedish commentator mentioned it...
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: slothzen on January 05, 2012, 03:24:54 AM
MoTM before the goal.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 03:24:56 AM
Fuck off!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: ilikebrunettes on January 05, 2012, 03:25:48 AM
fucking ngog
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 03:26:00 AM
Great assist by Saha .... for them Legend
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 03:26:29 AM
Oh just fuck off.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2012, 03:26:29 AM
We are absolute shite.  Utterly sick of watching this toothless dross.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:26:44 AM
Fuckin Howard!!! COYB
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 03:27:15 AM
Fuckin Howard!!! COYB

Give you're stream a minute.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 03:27:33 AM
how on earth did ngog score against us
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: everton.chris on January 05, 2012, 03:27:45 AM
Our strikers wont do it so Howard will!
What strikers?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:29:04 AM
Give you're stream a minute.

Sarcasm doesn't work well on live forums. Sorry
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Alex6691 on January 05, 2012, 03:29:21 AM
What strikers?

Errrr... the ones on the pitch?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 03:29:57 AM
lets pray to god this is the end of 4-4-2, weve been awful today
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Nicco on January 05, 2012, 03:30:25 AM
Can't believe we havent tried Bogdan harder. He is just as bad as Howard is great tonight!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Amata on January 05, 2012, 03:30:31 AM
Bring the f*cking ball down and pass it FFS!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blargins on January 05, 2012, 03:30:31 AM
What happened fucking computer overheated and I lost my work and the stream.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:30:51 AM
We need a shake up!!!! I can't believe how poor we have been over the past to games!!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Nicco on January 05, 2012, 03:33:18 AM
Even though Baines was offside that is well and truly shit by Saha!!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 03:33:58 AM
we are poor right now
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:34:11 AM
Saha offside or not! He is so low on confidence it's unbelievable. He can't kick a ball!!!!
Omg if we win this I'll buy everyone on here a pint
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: STUBBSY157 on January 05, 2012, 03:34:39 AM
this is as bad as it gets..

Saha is a joke..!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 03:34:54 AM
This game has reach a new level of shittyness.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 03:35:41 AM
Now I see why we don't play a 4-4-2
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:35:58 AM
 :titanic:
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 03:36:09 AM
lol could see that coming a mile away as soon as Howard punched that clear.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: minty on January 05, 2012, 03:36:37 AM
Catch the ball howard! Good shot stopper but awful at dealing with crosses and long balls/through balls.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:36:53 AM
Ugh. We are so bad.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 03:36:59 AM
neville shite fuckin let cahill go
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 03:37:07 AM
I pray that if the result stands they are booed off the pitch. Moyes needs to get this shit show in order.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 03:37:15 AM
Why has Howard punched that and what is Baines doing getting turned as easily as that. Awful defending.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: everton.chris on January 05, 2012, 03:37:15 AM
Absolute shite, got what we deserve
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Jonny on January 05, 2012, 03:37:19 AM
doesnt get any lower than that

moyes out ffs
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Nicco on January 05, 2012, 03:37:40 AM
Saha offside or not! He is so low on confidence it's unbelievable. He can't kick a ball!!!!
Omg if we win this I'll buy everyone on here a pint
Don't you worry about that pint
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Steel City Blue on January 05, 2012, 03:37:44 AM
Thank you and good night. I'm done with this lot.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2012, 03:37:52 AM
Typical.  They haven't won away from home all season.  Fuck off Everton
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2012, 03:38:26 AM
Catch the ball howard! Good shot stopper but awful at dealing with crosses and long balls/through balls.

He had to punch as he had a Bolton player pushing him.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:39:01 AM
doesnt get any lower than that

moyes out ffs


Get a grip
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:39:19 AM
Thank you and good night. I'm done with this lot.

Close the door on your way out
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 03:39:45 AM
shit moyes has to go this is pathetic
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bluenosebolt on January 05, 2012, 03:40:14 AM

Get a grip


nice one, cant polish shite can he
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: efcforlife on January 05, 2012, 03:40:14 AM
who was that in the stand??
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Amata on January 05, 2012, 03:40:21 AM
Clueless, one dimensional, long ball drivel.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: evertonarntwe on January 05, 2012, 03:40:32 AM
they won at ewood park?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fern on January 05, 2012, 03:40:44 AM
I pray that if the result stands they are booed off the pitch. Moyes needs to get this shit show in order.

Yes Moyes can start with getting a new chairman. I dont think the players are arsed because they believe they're in a dead end club, which is true.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Azz on January 05, 2012, 03:40:54 AM
Nev has just done something!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 03:41:19 AM
who was that in the stand??


Pretty sure it was the Qatari Royal Family.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bwana on January 05, 2012, 03:41:27 AM
Yup. It was Moyes who didn't notice Cahill behind his back.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dublin Toffee on January 05, 2012, 03:41:28 AM
Crikey we are poor
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2012, 03:41:30 AM
Totally fucking clueless since Osman went off
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:41:34 AM
For a team with so many defensive players we aren't half easy to score against.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: efcforlife on January 05, 2012, 03:42:12 AM
Pretty sure it was the Qatari Royal Family.

hilarious?

so you dont know??
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:42:46 AM
they won at ewood park?

Correct, but it's not as damming. Neither is mentioning that Moyes had to make 3 inforced subs through injury, and one was taking a sub off.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 03:42:55 AM
so shit at  least we all agree where we stand with saha and straq
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: ally2 on January 05, 2012, 03:43:11 AM
I swear I just saw Cahill in our half with 3 easy short passes on, under no pressure, just launches it at Straq's head who's got no blue shirts anywhere near him.  WTF is going on?  Are they being told to do this?  In the wind?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: MexicanToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:44:34 AM
This is a truly inept performance. We are being outplayed by Bolton for heavens sake. If I had a dog, I would take it for a walk right now, because watching it muse over which tree to piss on would be an improvement on this.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: sam of the south on January 05, 2012, 03:44:55 AM
For a team with so many defensive players we aren't half easy to score against.

Well put.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueski on January 05, 2012, 03:45:26 AM
disgusting only thing I can grasp at is the result might be a kick in the arse to the board
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 03:45:38 AM
Enforced yes still bad decisions as to who to bring on
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: efcforlife on January 05, 2012, 03:46:25 AM
Enforced yes still bad decisions as to who to bring on

what would you of done
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 03:46:43 AM
hibberts been poor neville has been poor saha has been poor straq has been poor, who else everton has been poor
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Danny on January 05, 2012, 03:47:09 AM
We were never going to win after the 3rd sub was made, it's been like playing with 9 men since then. Osman was the most creative player we had on the pitch and after he went off it's just gone from bad to worse.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 05, 2012, 03:47:36 AM
hilarious?

so you dont know??

it WAS harry rednapp
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:48:30 AM
Can we play Barkley yet?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: efcforlife on January 05, 2012, 03:48:54 AM
it WAS harry rednapp

Its Harry Redknapp..

and he was chinese
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Dayne88 on January 05, 2012, 03:49:39 AM
C'mon bainesyyyy
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Running Blue on January 05, 2012, 03:50:37 AM
Let's try for a change of tune here, and look at taking away some positives from this:

1. None of us had to witness this live;

2. At least we're not Man U. (they're losing by 2); and

3. At least we know where our goals are coming from now.

Going crazy beats getting mad  :bonk:
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Steel City Blue on January 05, 2012, 03:50:41 AM
Slams door!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: evertonarntwe on January 05, 2012, 03:51:08 AM
Correct, but it's not as damming. Neither is mentioning that Moyes had to make 3 inforced subs through injury, and one was taking a sub off.

So? we still have a team out there that should win against bolton at home, not get outplayed by a poor bottom of the league team, even worse then the perforance at the reebok last season and that was just embarrissing taken to a new level.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:51:16 AM
You know it not your night now
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: everton.chris on January 05, 2012, 03:51:32 AM
We have rode our luck all season, getting beat at home to the bottom club proves how poor we really are
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 03:52:07 AM
We are a one man team.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Fynci on January 05, 2012, 03:52:21 AM
The one positive I take is that Tim Howard is a very classy chap. Much respect for not celebrating when he scored his first ever goal!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: krakkokain on January 05, 2012, 03:53:27 AM
what would you of done

Rodwell clearly injured shouldn't have come on like he shouldn't of started 2 days ago
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Nicco on January 05, 2012, 03:54:09 AM
Let's try for a change of tune here, and look at taking away some positives from this:

1. None of us had to witness this live;

2. At least we're not Man U. (they're losing by 2); and

3. At least we know where our goals are coming from now.

Going crazy beats getting mad  :bonk:
4. Saha now has an assist;
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Cozzie on January 05, 2012, 03:54:19 AM
Unlucky by baines, but christ, that was horrible.

Where is Drenthe

Where is Fellaini?

We need these players back, we have absolutely no guile, if we ever needed a prime example of why we need investment its tonight's game, Bolton at home, for absolute fuck sake.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2012, 03:54:29 AM
Fuck the free kick.  Too little too late, again.  No clue, no guile, no urgency.  Absolute shite.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 03:54:53 AM
That pathetic performance is all down to the players, simply an awful performance

the worst thing is moyes had no chance to change tactics yet all the idiots will start abusing him
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: t2487 on January 05, 2012, 03:55:05 AM
guys how did howard score !?


i'm in vancouver, in work.

terrible result.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Toffeeblue22 on January 05, 2012, 03:55:22 AM
Shocking...too slow to react,saha was shit,neville shit....gutted
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bigjmill on January 05, 2012, 03:55:41 AM
disgrace that performance !
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Derek on January 05, 2012, 03:55:46 AM
Well, that's pish.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Cozzie on January 05, 2012, 03:55:59 AM
I am just sick of Neville and Hibbert, just right down to my stomach, im sick of seeing them.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 03:56:29 AM
ok so rodwell shud never have come on, wasn ready shud have brought cahill on, 442 maybe but should have started gueye and played ossie centre, straq is effort and nothing more, no ability and fuck all speed, saha has ;lost it, hibbert had a bad game, injuries and guess what we're everton jus to make it all worse newcastle jus beat united
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Thom on January 05, 2012, 03:56:30 AM
Fell to pieces after they scored the equaliser. Really missed Jagielka's leadership at the back and Osman's guile down the left with Baines. Donovan was anonymous, Stracqualursi looked knackered and Neville and Saha were absolute shite.

We looked so comfortable, and yet we concede an equaliser and we fold like a deck of cards.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: gdog1981 on January 05, 2012, 03:57:17 AM
As much as Moyes deserved a bit of praise for WBA game, that was embarrassing!  Team selection all wrong. Granted missed Felliani but why oh why is he persisting with Neville in CM he is done!!  Back to the drawing board now.  New signings need big time.  Donovan one of only positives.  Saha finished also.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Amata on January 05, 2012, 03:57:24 AM
I can take a defeat, what I cant take is the manner in which we were beaten. Absolutely disgraceful.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 03:57:35 AM
The injuries tell the story of this game, Osman was in line for MOTM before being injured, Jagielka was having his best game in a while and Rodwell coming on and off killed our options.  We were on course to win imo before the Osman injury.  More worrying than this performance is how fucked we are for options if these injuries are sustained.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 03:57:47 AM
That pathetic performance is all down to the players, simply an awful performance

the worst thing is moyes had no chance to change tactics yet all the idiots will start abusing him
moyes team mate he takes the blame shit all season when are people going to realise moyes needs to piss off tactics and performances are terrible
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: pjk on January 05, 2012, 03:57:54 AM
We have rode our luck all season, getting beat at home to the bottom club proves how poor we really are


Not many people on here have mentioned us riding our luck. Your spot on mate.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bluenosebolt on January 05, 2012, 03:57:59 AM
oh well,



Spurs next
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Youngy09 on January 05, 2012, 03:58:02 AM
That pathetic performance is all down to the players, simply an awful performance

the worst thing is moyes had no chance to change tactics yet all the idiots will start abusing him

It's his fault Neville ever plays! He's useless! It's his fault bringing on a player who only managed 60 mins 4 days ago on a freezing night coming back from injury, I know you can't foresee injury, but second sub so early on was proved a poor decision.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: BigGun on January 05, 2012, 03:58:12 AM
Thought rodwell was the wrong choice, DM shoudl have gone for it when we were on top, but that's not his his mantra.  Gobsmacked, what total shite.  
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 03:58:32 AM
So? we still have a team out there that should win against bolton at home, not get outplayed by a poor bottom of the league team, even worse then the perforance at the reebok last season and that was just embarrissing taken to a new level.


So are you saying that he would have chosen to replace those players with those subs at those times if it wasnt forced on him? He's not the greatest tactician in the country or even the best manager but he was dealt a shit hand tonight. And it was no way near as bad as the game last year, no fucking way.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: irishtoffee on January 05, 2012, 03:59:16 AM
guys how did howard score !?


i'm in vancouver, in work.

terrible result.
launched a clearance from inside his box, it bounced outside the bolton box and it sailed over bogdan who was about on the penalty spot. Viscous wind so it kicked up more than it should have
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 03:59:20 AM
Fell to pieces after they scored the equaliser. Really missed Jagielka's leadership at the back and Osman's guile down the left with Baines. Donovan was anonymous, Stracqualursi looked knackered and Neville and Saha were absolute shite.

We looked so comfortable, and yet we concede an equaliser and we fold like a deck of cards.

how did we look comfortable? Howard had made 3 class saves before we went 1-0 up
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:00:19 AM
It's his fault Neville ever plays! He's useless! It's his fault bringing on a player who only managed 60 mins 4 days ago on a freezing night coming back from injury, I know you can't foresee injury, but second sub so early on was proved a poor decision.

Osman was INJURED he had to go off
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 04:00:46 AM
this goes down as one of our poorest home defeats ever imo
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: bigac on January 05, 2012, 04:01:05 AM
It wasnt 442 that didnt work it was the piss poor centre midfield. There was no drive forward and hardly any passes put together. Neither forward got a chance to do anything as a result. If anyone still thinks we dont need midfield reinforcements you need a trip to specsavers.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Loverboy Blue on January 05, 2012, 04:01:31 AM
I can honestly say that was the worst second half performance by an Everton team at home that I have ever witnessed. A complete disgrace! Notwithstanding the injuries, we were completely overrun and outclassed by a team struglling at the foot of the league and bereft of confidence. I'm not a Moyes basher but I genuinely struggled to understand his decison making and substitutions that left us with no shape or coherence as a football team.

Utterly shocking and symptamatic of where we are at. Finally, in case there was any doubt - Straqularsi ain't good enough for this league.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Youngy09 on January 05, 2012, 04:02:45 AM
Osman was INJURED he had to go off

I know, I watched it, but he DIDN'T HAVE TO BRING RODWELL ON!!!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: evertonarntwe on January 05, 2012, 04:02:50 AM
So are you saying that he would have chosen to replace those players with those subs at those times if it wasnt forced on him? He's not the greatest tactician in the country or even the best manager but he was dealt a shit hand tonight. And it was no way near as bad as the game last year, no fucking way.

Why did he bring rodwell on he is made of glass, why bring cahill on he has been awfull for a year atleast give vic a chance he can do a job on the wing he would of been full of confidence from the last game, and you think last season was worse than that we have just witnessed???? no way. that was literally humiliating, dreading work tomorrow.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 04:03:10 AM
this goes down as one of our poorest home defeats ever imo

Ever? Not even close! Is 81 your IQ?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:03:11 AM
It wasnt 442 that didnt work it was the piss poor centre midfield. There was no drive forward and hardly any passes put together. Neither forward got a chance to do anything as a result. If anyone still thinks we dont need midfield reinforcements you need a trip to specsavers.

umm yes the problem in the middle of the park was due to 4-4-2, its common knowledge that 4-4-2 leaves u weak in the middle of the park
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 04:03:50 AM
cue moyes saying how unlucky everton are and the usual shite
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:04:08 AM
I know, I watched it, but he DIDN'T HAVE TO BRING RODWELL ON!!!

then who else really? Rodwell played 60 minutes the other day, it was a decision that was the right one at the time, hindsight is a wonderful thing
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 05, 2012, 04:04:20 AM
I know, I watched it, but he DIDN'T HAVE TO BRING RODWELL ON!!!

chill winston.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: mickhazon on January 05, 2012, 04:04:26 AM
the changing point was when cahill had to drop in midfield, I think denis myself had a good game and worked the bolton defenders didnt let them rest.If we had won people wpuld say denis well played but because we lost he is shit and not good enough.Tim cahill was dired well he came on did nothing and nev was just as bad all game
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 04:04:44 AM
It did illustrate again though that formations mean fuck all, it's who you play in them and how they play.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 04:05:02 AM
Ever? Not even close! Is 81 your IQ?
team bottom of the table its a shocking defeat
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 04:05:15 AM
granted injuries played their part but why when were crying out for a creative midfielder is barkley not in squad and id rather go 4 5 1 if it meant osman or someone gettin the free role
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:05:47 AM
chill winston.

at least after tonight people wont be banging on about 4-4-2 every week
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 05, 2012, 04:06:34 AM
at least after tonight people wont be banging on about 4-4-2 every week

this.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: AidyEFC9 on January 05, 2012, 04:06:43 AM
That pathetic performance is all down to the players, simply an awful performance

the worst thing is moyes had no chance to change tactics yet all the idiots will start abusing him


Fuck me, Moyes is as much to blame aswell ya know!. The players are at most fault but Moyes is at fault too for sending us out not to press the ball and give Bolton time on the ball, for us to look to play long ALL game in shocking high winds, whats all that about?.

Bolton did the right thing and passed and moved and with us giving them all the time in the world they opened us up and beat us, it was too fucking easy for them in that 2nd half. That performance was a disgrace!.

People knock the likes of Bolton and Stoke and some on here mocked Swansea the other week after we played them for there football but i tell ya what, all those teams play and press and work harder than us!. To me, were the new Wimbledon, not ya Stoke's or Bolton's, us!. Hoof, hoof, fucking hoof every game!.

League 2 teams don't even play that shite!. I don't know what Moyesy does with them on a training pitch but it certainly isn't passing and moving sessions, keep ball and all that, we must just work on sitting off, dropping deep and watching the opposition play with the ball, and this isn't just tonight when we've done it, its happened for over 2 seasons!.

Why are we playing like this, that's got to be down to Moyes and how he sets the team up, how he wants them to defend as a team and things cos were the only team in the league that doesn't pressurise the ball, we ALWAYS stand off and sit deep, and then if we do win the ball, we haven't got a clue what to do with it, we cant pass are way out or break quick, so we hit it long, to nobody!.

That for me was easily one of the worst games ive seen since the Smith days, that was shocking!.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: christiffa25 on January 05, 2012, 04:06:55 AM
Alot of people got there wish of 4-4-2 with straq up front. That went well didn't it!?!?

We were over run in midfield.

Not all down to that though. Moyes was dealt the worse of hands with in game injurys.
There were alot of factors that contributed to that defeat.

Please people don't overeact.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:07:15 AM
granted injuries played their part but why when were crying out for a creative midfielder is barkley not in squad and id rather go 4 5 1 if it meant osman or someone gettin the free role

i think moyes may have switched to 5 in midfield after we scored to see out the game, it was just unfortunate that we had 3 injuries which meant we couldnt change shape
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: christiffa25 on January 05, 2012, 04:07:29 AM
Alot of people got there wish of 4-4-2 with straq up front. That went well didn't it!?!?

We were over run in midfield.

Not all down to that though. Moyes was dealt the worse of hands with in game injurys.
There were alot of factors that contributed to that defeat.

Please people don't overeact.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: blueToffee on January 05, 2012, 04:08:06 AM
So awful. We were beaten at home by the lowest team in the division (at least they were).

Moyes terrible. Players mostly terrible. We went to pieces when Osman went off.

I never want to see Saha, Neville in the starting XI again.

A really good job there are worse teams in this division as we have been so bad this season.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: pro_evo on January 05, 2012, 04:08:20 AM
hibbert and neville are the weakest links they can't pass can't shoot and bring panic to the other players. and as for saha well the guy is just a waste of wages full stop.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: sam of the south on January 05, 2012, 04:08:42 AM
It wasnt 442 that didnt work it was the piss poor centre midfield. There was no drive forward and hardly any passes put together. Neither forward got a chance to do anything as a result. If anyone still thinks we dont need midfield reinforcements you need a trip to specsavers.
I agree. We are obviously struggling without Fellaini and there is no central creation since Mikel left.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Loverboy Blue on January 05, 2012, 04:08:52 AM
Ever? Not even close! Is 81 your IQ?

maybe not one of the worst defeats but certainly one of the worst  second half  performances
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Paul. on January 05, 2012, 04:09:07 AM
terrible performance. ffs lads, we were playing the a team at the bottom of the table at home, and Moyes bottles it once again by playing Heitinga and Neville in centre mid.

this " let's not lose attitude " is fucking shocking.

all it would've have took was start with Donovan Neville Osman Gueye and being a bit more positive. hate to say it, but even at football passing and moving we were taught a lesson tonight.

Moyes needs to get a grip.... and fast.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Ross on January 05, 2012, 04:09:11 AM
team bottom of the table its a shocking defeat

No shocking would be 3,4 or even 5 nil. 2-1 is not shocking. An overall poor display, and some bad fortune with injuries where our downfall, nothing more.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 04:09:18 AM
hibbert and neville are the weakest links they can't pass can't shoot and bring panic to the other players. and as for saha well the guy is just a waste of wages full stop.

Can we not lump Hibbert in with Neville?  Neville has been dire all season whereas Hibbert has been very good.  
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 04:09:27 AM
dennis was shit fact, yes he run and put himself about, but he was shit on the ball, no passin no goal threat fuck all, where is vellios?? should always be given the chance over stracq in my opinion, we miss fell, big time, donovan waiting on wing most of afternoon cos he didn even see any of the ball,
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: taffytoffee on January 05, 2012, 04:09:37 AM
its so embaressing having neville in midfield who cant even pass fucking wind, playing 2 defenders in the centre of midfield at home to the bottom side in the league is a fucking joke, moyes get a grip :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Danny on January 05, 2012, 04:10:10 AM
this goes down as one of our poorest home defeats ever imo

I was at Goodison when we lost 4-0 to Bolton people have short memories.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:10:10 AM

Fuck me, Moyes is as much to blame aswell ya know!. The players are at most fault but Moyes is at fault too for sending us out not to press the ball and not give Bolton time on the ball, for us to look to play long, ALL game in shocking high winds, whats all that about?.

Bolton did the right thing and passed and moved and with us giving them all the time in the world they opened us up and beat us, it was too fucking easy for them in that 2nd half. That performance was a disgrace!.

People knock the likes of Bolton and Stoke and some on here mocked Swansea and there football but i tell ya what, all those teams play and press and work harder than us!. To me, were the new Wimbledon, not ya Stoke's or Bolton's, us!.

League 2 teams don't even play that shite!. I don't know what Moyesy does with them on a training pitch but it certainly isn't passing and moving sessions, keep ball and all that, we must just work on sitting off, dropping deep and watching the opposition play with the ball, and this isn't just tonight when we've done it, its happened for over 2 seasons!.

Why are we playing like this, that's got to be down to Moyes and how he sets the team up, how he wants them to defend as a team and things cos were the only team in the league that doesn't pressurise the ball, we ALWAYS stand off and sit deep, and then if we do win the ball, we haven't got a clue what to do with it, we cant pass are way out or break quick, so we hit it long, to nobody!.

That for me was easily one of the worst games ive seen since the Smith days, that was shocking!.

yep and the main reason why bolton were able to pass the ball around was that they had 5 in midfield, which was Moyes fault to start with (however it was unfortunate we couldn't change tactics)

in the 2nd half there was no balance in midfield not a creative player in the side so we had to go long

and boy did we miss jags when he went off
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: minty on January 05, 2012, 04:10:31 AM
the changing point was when cahill had to drop in midfield, I think denis myself had a good game and worked the bolton defenders didnt let them rest.If we had won people wpuld say denis well played but because we lost he is shit and not good enough.Tim cahill was dired well he came on did nothing and nev was just as bad all game

What do you expect cahill to have done in midfield? The defenders hoofed the ball over his head every time. Did heitinga/neville/Rodwell create things before cahill moved in there?

A lot of the balls to Strac were very poor. However of the ones that got to him a lot of the time he failed to control the ball and find a team mate. He was perhaps marginally better than Saha and cahill have been this season but saying he had a good game is mad.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 04:11:26 AM
I was at Goodison when we lost 4-0 to Bolton people have short memories.
yeah they had a decent team then and everton created more in that match than tonight
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Loverboy Blue on January 05, 2012, 04:11:38 AM
dennis was shit fact, yes he run and put himself about, but he was shit on the ball, no passin no goal threat fuck all, where is vellios?? should always be given the chance over stracq in my opinion, we miss fell, big time, donovan waiting on wing most of afternoon cos he didn even see any of the ball,

This......


Well most of it - not sure about the Vellios bit but dennis ain't good enough
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:11:42 AM
usually when we lose at home to someone shit, they have one chance and score, the problem i have with tonight is that bolton created chance after chance
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: pjk on January 05, 2012, 04:12:03 AM
at least after tonight people wont be banging on about 4-4-2 every week


This :-X
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Youngy09 on January 05, 2012, 04:12:30 AM
terrible performance. ffs lads, we were playing the a team at the bottom of the table at home, and Moyes bottles it once again by playing Heitinga and Neville in centre mid.

this " let's not lose attitude " is fucking shocking.

all it would've have took was start with Donovan Neville Osman Gueye and being a bit more positive. hate to say it, but even at football passing and moving we were taught a lesson tonight.

Moyes needs to get a grip.... and fast.

Neville has not played well for 10mins. Why on earth would you pick him. He can't pass, can't tackle and stood off players again for both of their goals tonight!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 04:13:23 AM
so thats stoke, qpr, bolton, man united, redshite at home already
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Paul. on January 05, 2012, 04:14:03 AM
Neville has not played well for 10mins. Why on earth would you pick him. He can't pass, can't tackle and stood off players again for both of their goals tonight!

because of the players who were fully fit and available, he is better in there than Heitinga. i would not have Neville in my team at all when they are all fit.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Trowel on January 05, 2012, 04:14:04 AM
On a positive note, Tim Howard is only one goal behind Torres.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: marky v on January 05, 2012, 04:15:12 AM
The days of Players working hard for the team should have been over after we started qualifying for europe on a regular basis, don't anyone confuse work rate for abillity, too many grafters in the squad we need some quality theres nothing wrong with us that 20m - 30m wouldn't fix which is where all these problems stem from,

Hibbert, Neville, Straq, Saha and Cahill should not be near our first team and at no stage should defenders get games in midfield because they're not good enough on the ball
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: t2487 on January 05, 2012, 04:15:32 AM
I don't obviously get to see any games since moving here, so I only go by what people say.|


What's the general feeling?  I'm starting to get worrried...
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 04:15:42 AM
usually when we lose at home to someone shit, they have one chance and score, the problem i have with tonight is that bolton created chance after chance
we were wide open, straq was wrecked and cudn chase back, saha run a lot, but neville was garbage and losin jags was big, hes had his doubters but even hibbert looked average tonightwhen hes been impressive lately
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Youngy09 on January 05, 2012, 04:15:51 AM
because of the players who were fully fit and available, he is better in there than Heitinga. i would not have Neville in my team at all when they are all fit.

I don't think Heitinga is great in there, but he does more than Neville for me. At least he puts a challenge in and can actually pass a ball.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Loverboy Blue on January 05, 2012, 04:16:11 AM
I was at Goodison when we lost 4-0 to Bolton people have short memories.
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I was there too - Gary Speed was awesome on that day - they had the rub of the green but we were nowhere near as bad as we were tonight.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2012, 04:16:16 AM
yep and the main reason why bolton were able to pass the ball around was that they had 5 in midfield, which was Moyes fault to start with (however it was unfortunate we couldn't change tactics)

Why are we never able to pass the ball around when we have 5 in midfield then???

It's cos the tactics are shite.  Long hoofball to nobody, with a 40 yard gap between the striker (sic) and the negatively set up midfield.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Lebanese_toffee on January 05, 2012, 04:17:05 AM
Playing 2 Defensive (in fact defenders) in CM when playing 4-4-2 is out of question, it might work in 4-5-1, but no way on earth in 4-4-2

When going forward, we had no option apart from the wings, there was no one in the central and attacking midfield position, what Moyes is doing playing Johnny and Neville in CM is not logical, it's stupid and not something that a Championship manager should do.

We have to have an attacking central midfield (no matter who, Barkley or Billy, even Osman is now playing out wide FFS)

Neville is finished, same as Cahill and Saha, Moyes has to accept that and start rebuilding, even if it means pushing the likes of Velios and Barkley toward the first team before they are ready
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 04:17:18 AM
The days of Players working hard for the team should have been over after we started qualifying for europe on a regular basis, don't anyone confuse work rate for abillity, too many grafters in the squad we need some quality theres nothing wrong with us that 20m - 30m wouldn't fix which is where all these problems stem from,

Hibbert, Neville, Straq, Saha and Cahill should not be near our first team and at no stage should defenders get games in midfield because they're not good enough on the ball

saha was ok tonight i thought apart from his misses but i think cahill jus needs a goal, hibbert had a bad game but is usually solid, and neville should only play rb, straq i agree, id send him back now hes a pest but im near sure i cud do the same job as him
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:17:23 AM
I don't obviously get to see any games since moving here, so I only go by what people say.|


What's the general feeling?  I'm starting to get worrried...
my feeling is we started the game 4-4-2 but then had 3 injuries to Osman Rodwell Jagilkea which meant we werent able to change the shape of the team when Bolton started to dominate even though Moyes may have wanted too,

this IMO is fairly different to all our other losses
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: kunal32 on January 05, 2012, 04:17:34 AM
A mediocre team with the exception of one or two, most are below average players we have. Don't expect a second half surge up the table, it won't happen this time around.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: steve81 on January 05, 2012, 04:18:04 AM
thats it for me to moyes pisses off had enough
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:19:00 AM
Why are we never able to pass the ball around when we have 5 in midfield then???

It's cos the tactics are shite.  Long hoofball to nobody, with a 40 yard gap between the striker (sic) and the negatively set up midfield.

what? do you ever actually watch us play?

when we have 5 in midfield we always dominate games, its just that we struggle to create chances, but at least we usually restrict the chances of the opposition
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: sam of the south on January 05, 2012, 04:20:53 AM
Why are we never able to pass the ball around when we have 5 in midfield then???

It's cos the tactics are shite.  Long hoofball to nobody, with a 40 yard gap between the striker (sic) and the negatively set up midfield.

Exactly. The formation would be fine if we had better personnel in the middle of the park and we were better drilled at passing and moving. Passing and moving went out the window when Pienaar left. As somebody said, do we work on the finer points of the game in training? It doesn't bloody look like we do.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Paul. on January 05, 2012, 04:21:26 AM
Why are we never able to pass the ball around when we have 5 in midfield then???

It's cos the tactics are shite.  Long hoofball to nobody, with a 40 yard gap between the striker (sic) and the negatively set up midfield.

the reason they could pass it around was the gaping gaps between midfield and defence. Bolton attacked as a team and had the players with the nuance to play the roles they were handed out. Heitinga and Neville either dived in or sat too far back. they just dropped a player in the space and they then had 10/20 yards to work with.

shocking tactics and shocking performance
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2012, 04:22:17 AM
what? do you ever actually watch us play?

when we have 5 in midfield we always dominate games, its just that we struggle to create chances, but at least we usually restrict the chances of the opposition

If you call dominating play passing sideways on the halfway line for 90 minutes, you maybe right.  How many times do we have games when we don't even manage 2 shots on target???
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 05, 2012, 04:22:44 AM
Wow that was bad.the conditions were awful but we persisted with terrible long balls.should have tried to get it on the deck and run at them. Some woeful performances tonight, the insistence on going backwards all the time was so frustrating.Bolton fully deserved their win for trying to keep it on the ground. All 11 starters plus the subs couldn't argue if not selected in the next game, with the possible exception of Distin and Baines. Truly awful
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bluenosebolt on January 05, 2012, 04:23:05 AM
At least Man u lost today too, takes this win away from the spotlights a bit.
Talking about hoofball, We wernt playing half as much hoof when Pienaar and Arteta were in the team and even when we did it was generally at a body. Now its aimed as far up the pitch as possible generally followed by an attack with us backs to goal shitting it. If saha ever gets a ball on head he flicks it foreward in an offside position...its woefull at present, Lets hope we get some ball players in January that gives Moyes some tactical freedom as I can only assume the players we have are unable to pass the fuckin thing on the ground....in his opinion
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: taffytoffee on January 05, 2012, 04:24:41 AM
i think i'm gonna go and support stoke at least they score from fucking hoofball
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Thom on January 05, 2012, 04:25:14 AM
how did we look comfortable? Howard had made 3 class saves before we went 1-0 up

In terms of possession and the way all our players seemed in control (well, apart from Saha and Neville anyway).

Like I said, we missed Jagielka at the back. It's no coincidence how shaky we were at the back once he went off. Likewise when Osman went off. Baines didn't look as threatening without someone opening the space up for him down the left, and the one touch passing that was executed in spells was lacking too.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 05, 2012, 04:25:42 AM
Saha, Cahill & Neville = about 140,000 a week. Breaks the heart.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: sam of the south on January 05, 2012, 04:25:54 AM
If you call dominating play passing sideways on the halfway line for 90 minutes, you maybe right.  How many times do we have games when we don't even manage 2 shots on target???

Agreed again. We don't have the guile to do anything with our possession. No cutting edge=no clear cut chances, unless they come from a Baines cross.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Paul. on January 05, 2012, 04:26:10 AM
my feeling is we started the game 4-4-2 but then had 3 injuries to Osman Rodwell Jagilkea which meant we werent able to change the shape of the team when Bolton started to dominate even though Moyes may have wanted too,

this IMO is fairly different to all our other losses

the game tactics were wrong from the beginning. 4-4-2 with 2 defenders in the middle of the park was just asking for trouble from the word go. no creativity, no counter balance to the team and i cant think of one outfield player tonight who got pass marks.

bolton could have won that game by 2 or 3 if not for Howard.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: kunal32 on January 05, 2012, 04:26:38 AM
I really do wonder if this time around Moyes has lost the dressing room.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 04:26:52 AM
i think i'm gonna go and support stoke at least they score from fucking hoofball

We weren't playing hoofball.  Our passing was shit but it was largely on the floor.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: pro_evo on January 05, 2012, 04:27:17 AM
Can we not lump Hibbert in with Neville?  Neville has been dire all season whereas Hibbert has been very good.  
very good???? the guy is dire and always will be, he offers nothing to the team apart from he is a local lad.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: sam of the south on January 05, 2012, 04:28:12 AM
I really do wonder if this time around Moyes has lost the dressing room.

If you are right, we are at the top of a very steep slide.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Paul. on January 05, 2012, 04:28:41 AM
We weren't playing hoofball.  Our passing was shit but it was largely on the floor.

not in the second half it wasn't. countless long balls swept up by Zat Knight then the freedom of Goodison to run into because we were that far back.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 05, 2012, 04:30:31 AM
Similar feeling of the Bolton defeat last season of total depression. Donovan,Gueye,Cahill were totally invisible,Saha lacked quality and Denis was knackered after half an hour.i now see why he doesn't start!Victor it's over to you
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 04:31:19 AM
very good???? the guy is dire and always will be, he offers nothing to the team apart from he is a local lad.

You are either letting your pre-conceptions of him sully your opinion or you haven't watched him this season.  He was pants tonight like, no argument from me on that score.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: bigl1cks on January 05, 2012, 04:31:40 AM
What is unacceptable is if you have 6 defenders on the park and you still look shacky at the back.

We got played off the part today by the leagues bottom club. Poor.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Bluenosebolt on January 05, 2012, 04:32:02 AM
i think i'm gonna go and support stoke at least they score from fucking hoofball

yeah but they're hoof is aimed at target men, Ours aint aimed, its panic hoof !!
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Verm on January 05, 2012, 04:33:25 AM
Little under 30,000 attendance tonight...
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: bigac on January 05, 2012, 04:33:51 AM
what? do you ever actually watch us play?

when we have 5 in midfield we always dominate games, its just that we struggle to create chances, but at least we usually restrict the chances of the opposition
Well you obviously haven't. How can you think we dominate games if we dont create chances and score goals? Moving sideways and sitting back does not dominate games. All 451 does without Arteta is let the team sit deep and thats worked really well hasn't it. How many clean sheets this year?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:34:02 AM
In terms of possession and the way all our players seemed in control (well, apart from Saha and Neville anyway).

Like I said, we missed Jagielka at the back. It's no coincidence how shaky we were at the back once he went off. Likewise when Osman went off. Baines didn't look as threatening without someone opening the space up for him down the left, and the one touch passing that was executed in spells was lacking too.

Jagielka and Osman going off did change the game, it was just a very poor 2nd half by us and its cost us
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:34:48 AM
If you call dominating play passing sideways on the halfway line for 90 minutes, you maybe right.  How many times do we have games when we don't even manage 2 shots on target???

thats because we struggle in the final 3rd, not because we dont dominate the game
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Paul. on January 05, 2012, 04:36:40 AM
thats because we struggle in the final 3rd, not because we dont dominate the game

so what you're really saying is that you think we dominate the middle fo the park.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:37:46 AM
Well you obviously haven't. How can you think we dominate games if we dont create chances and score goals? Moving sideways and sitting back does not dominate games. All 451 does without Arteta is let the team sit deep and thats worked really well hasn't it. How many clean sheets this year?
we struggle to score goals, because we are shit in the final 3rd, not because we dont dominate the middle of the park

before tonight we did have the 4th best defensive record in the league, but lets just ignore that
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: sam of the south on January 05, 2012, 04:39:59 AM
thats because we struggle in the final 3rd, not because we dont dominate the game
We quite often shade the majority of possession these days, but very rarely 'dominate' it. To say we struggle in the final third is an understatement. The aimless hoofball is shocking; even if we had Drenthe today we still would've struggled because he wouldn't have seen enough of the ball.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: BrotherEstapol on January 05, 2012, 04:41:35 AM
I think this was a match that needed the speed and guile of Coleman and/or Drenthe.
Obviously restricted by injuries though, but I think the 2 big mistakes were starting Neville and selecting Rodwell and Cahill as the subs. Cahill was on odd choice given it was the last sub and we already had Saha and Straq on the pitch.
I probably would have put Vic on instead, pushing Geuye into the middle.(assuming Vic is better on the wing than the in the middle.)

Neville shouldn't be in the team at this point. The Cahill goal was his fault in my opinion, and he's just not on form in general.

Also, does anyone else think that Donovan should have won a penalty? For those criticizing Straq, I thought his ball to Donovan was a highlight in a gritty game...
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: matty1878 on January 05, 2012, 04:42:26 AM
bolton were the better team by a mile, but doesnt hide the fact were shite and have been, and will be all season
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: AidyEFC9 on January 05, 2012, 04:44:22 AM
yep and the main reason why bolton were able to pass the ball around was that they had 5 in midfield, which was Moyes fault to start with (however it was unfortunate we couldn't change tactics)

in the 2nd half there was no balance in midfield not a creative player in the side so we had to go long

and boy did we miss jags when he went off


Wether they'd of had 4 or 5 in midfield, Bolton know how to pass and move, they showed that tonight, they'd of done it with 4 in there or 5, doesn't matter!. If were prepared to just sit back and watch, not press the ball and let them pop it off, 1 and 2 touch, give and goes then we deserve to get opened up and beat!.

We could of played 5 in midfield tonight and we'd of still sat off and not pressed the ball, cos that's what we do in every game, we sit off. It's a fucking joke IMO and i hate to see us not get in teams faces.

And we don't know what difference Jags would of made, he was shaky with a few things tonight aswell don't forget!.

For too long we have played the same way and got lucky with results. How we've done so well in the past and got a few wins this season is beyond me cos are football is shit, the worst ive seen in this league. We pass it slow, half of the time it's passed behind players, it always goes sideways or backwards, no one plays a forward, penetrative ball into the strikers or advancing midfielders, then again we don't seem to have them, Donovan tried tonight but didn't get a look in!. We always end up going backwards and then long and surrendering possesion, it's just horrible to watch!.

My main gripe is the closing down, well the lack of it!. Why do we not press the ball and get in players faces?. That's what i want to see, instead of us sitting deep and holding position, why don't we chase down and press the man on the ball and force em into mistakes or to go back, like teams do to us?!.

To me we really don't work hard enough off the ball. I watched the City game last night and the way they pressed and high up the pitch was the way it should be done, they forced them cunts back and into mistakes by doing that, and you'd think with the kind of money there players are on wouldn't give much of a fuck and think there talent would shine through and be enough to win games but there hardest working team off the ball in the prem for me, there no fancy Dan's, there grafters aswell as a quality side, they do both sides of football very well, working hard and closing down, and play the right way!.

I know we haven't got the quality in our ranks to play the way City do, but when it comes to hard work and running and chasing people down and going after the ball, we should be equals but where not!.

If we carry on the way we are, with the personal that was started with tonight, were going to be in big trouble next season, with no money to replace the dead wood, to me were going to be in the shit anyway. He's got to start looking to the future and bringing the likes of Barkley and Vellios back in amongst the side instead of the likes of Neville, Saha and Cahill, even Hibbert needs dropping as soon as Coleman is back, and i don't give a shit if people want to think defensively he's all that, he needs to be played cos atleast he'll have a go and get forward and not back off the wingers when being attacked at!.

Things have got to start changing at Everton and fast!.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:45:51 AM
I think this was a match that needed the speed and guile of Coleman and/or Drenthe.
Obviously restricted by injuries though, but I think the 2 big mistakes were starting Neville and selecting Rodwell and Cahill as the subs. Cahill was on odd choice given it was the last sub and we already had Saha and Straq on the pitch.
I probably would have put Vic on instead, pushing Geuye into the middle.(assuming Vic is better on the wing than the in the middle.)

Neville shouldn't be in the team at this point. The Cahill goal was his fault in my opinion, and he's just not on form in general.

Also, does anyone else think that Donovan should have won a penalty? For those criticizing Straq, I thought his ball to Donovan was a highlight in a gritty game...
the issue is cahill came on with 30 minutes to go

and if had had of brought Vic On it would have meant

Saha Denis Vic Donovan Magaye all on the pitch, there would have been even less balance then there was
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sprooly on January 05, 2012, 04:48:50 AM

Wether they'd of had 4 or 5 in midfield, Bolton know how to pass and move, they showed that tonight, they'd of done it with 4 in there or 5, doesn't matter!. If were prepared to just sit back and watch, not press the ball and let them pop it off, 1 and 2 touch, give and goes then we deserve to get opened up and beat!.

We could of played 5 in midfield tonight and we'd of still sat off and not pressed the ball, cos that's what we do in every game, we sit off. It's a fucking joke IMO and i hate to see us not get in teams faces.

And we don't know what difference Jags would of made, he was shaky with a few things tonight aswell don't forget!.

For too long we have played the same way and got lucky with results. How we've done so well in the past and got a few wins this season is beyond me cos are football is shit, the worst ive seen in this league. We pass it slow, half of the time it's passed behind players, it always goes sideways or backwards, no one plays a forward, penetrative ball into the strikers or advancing midfielders, then again we don't seem to have them, Donovan tried tonight but didn't get a look in!. We always end up going backwards and then long and surrendering possesion, it's just horrible to watch!.

My main gripe is the closing down, well the lack of it!. Why do we not press the ball and get in players faces?. That's what i want to see, instead of us sitting deep and holding position, why don't we chase down and press the man on the ball and force em into mistakes or to go back, like teams do to us?!.

To me we really don't work hard enough off the ball. I watched the City game last night and the way they pressed and high up the pitch was the way it should be done, they forced them cunts back and into mistakes by doing that, and you'd think with the kind of money there players are on wouldn't give much of a fuck and think there talent would shine through and be enough to win games but there hardest working team off the ball in the prem for me, there no fancy Dan's, there grafters aswell as a quality side, they do both sides of football very well, working hard and closing down, and play the right way!.

I know we haven't got the quality in our ranks to play the way City do, but when it comes to hard work and running and chasing people down and going after the ball, we should be equals but where not!.

If we carry on the way we are, with the personal that was started with tonight, were going to be in big trouble next season, with no money to replace the dead wood, to me were going to be in the shit anyway. He's got to start looking to the future and bringing the likes of Barkley and Vellios back in amongst the side instead of the likes of Neville, Saha and Cahill, even Hibbert needs dropping as soon as Coleman is back, and i don't give a shit if people want to think defensively he's all that, he needs to be played cos atleast he'll have a go and get forward and not back off the wingers when being attacked at!.

Things have got to start changing at Everton and fast!.

im not convinced they would have done that with 5 in the middle, but that point is not worth debating because we will never know who is right

however i think having 5 in midfield would have meant the closing down would have been quicker and stronger all over the pitch as there is less ground to cover, but that is just my personal opinion,

our future is fairly fucked unless we get a takeover or do a 04-05 type season (but winning the UCL playoff)
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 04:49:07 AM
the issue is cahill came on with 30 minutes to go

and if had had of brought Vic On it would have meant

Saha Denis Vic Donovan Magaye all on the pitch, there would have been even less balance then there was

i agree cahill was the only option which brings the question where was barkley, and i would have brought gueye on for jags and moved ossie centre which would have maybe changed things but we'll never know
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: marky v on January 05, 2012, 04:49:16 AM
saha was ok tonight i thought apart from his misses but i think cahill jus needs a goal, hibbert had a bad game but is usually solid, and neville should only play rb, straq i agree, id send him back now hes a pest but im near sure i cud do the same job as him

Saha's form is dreadful and has been for a while he only has the chance to play himseflf out of it because theres nobody else,

Give Cahill a goal or two and it won't make up for him being completly burnt out and having no influence to the team, he's been a shadow of himself for a long time (shame),

Hibbert is just a plodder a lad from the youth system who loves where he is and will never make waves unfortunatly his ability is poor to be a team looking to improve you have to let players like him go when they can't offer you anything else,

Neville living off a past reputation as a squad man at Man Utd he's on a decline with no way of turning it its all age and limitations,

Straq - i feel for him he's in over his head and signed out of desperation, coming off the bench to put yourself about is fine playing week in and out in the prem is a different story,

it's not all negative except for the striking situation Moyes needs to rebuild and it's time for some to get left behind, we need to freshen it up when fully fit Coleman (as a right back), Anichebe, Rodwell, Barkley and Vellios need to be more involved in a new younger first team learning their trade on the pitch, Performances maybe up and down due to inexperiance but we'll have more patience with young player making mistakes than 30 year old full backs and 33/34 year old full backs playing in midfield.

were all fuming after a defeat but its time for some realism added were declining in quality through sales and square pegs in (steve) round holes, time for a change and moyes half attempted it tonight with 2 upfront but a poor centre midfield, we can't afford passengers anymore
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Stumpy on January 05, 2012, 04:50:57 AM
It's got to the stage now where i want to fucking strangle Moyes.Why oh why does he have to play Neville and Heitinger together,come to think of it why does he have to play neville full stop.6 defenders on the field and we still can't stop Bolton scoring.Under 30,000 for a league game says it all.People are sick to death watching this dross week in week out.Ffs Moyes grow a pair and drop the players that are out of form,passed thier sell by date or are no longer hungry for it and replace them with players that are none of the mentioned,because i'm sick to death of this utter shite.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2012, 04:52:44 AM
thats because we struggle in the final 3rd, not because we dont dominate the game

We struggle in the final third because there are no bodies in it.  They are all sat on the halfway line "dominating" the midfield, right to left, and then back again to the right, then back to Jags or Distin to twat towards the opposition goal as hard as possible, cos there's nothing else on.

Dominating is not passing sideways for 90 minutes, with no end product.  If you want to see a midfield dominating a game, have a look at Barcelona, pressing the ball immediately, passing and moving, playing killer pass after killer pass.  That is dominating.  I can't remember the last time I saw us press as a team., let alone trying to play a killer pass.  The movement of our players is a fucking joke.  We don't even do the basics properly.,
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: chang on January 05, 2012, 04:53:33 AM
Fuck.


That is all.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 04:53:47 AM
Saha's form is dreadful and has been for a while he only has the chance to play himseflf out of it because theres nobody else,

Give Cahill a goal or two and it won't make up for him being completly burnt out and having no influence to the team, he's been a shadow of himself for a long time (shame),

Hibbert is just a plodder a lad from the youth system who loves where he is and will never make waves unfortunatly his ability is poor to be a team looking to improve you have to let players like him go when they can't offer you anything else,

Neville living off a past reputation as a squad man at Man Utd he's on a decline with no way of turning it its all age and limitations,

Straq - i feel for him he's in over his head and signed out of desperation, coming off the bench to put yourself about is fine playing week in and out in the prem is a different story,

it's not all negative except for the striking situation Moyes needs to rebuild and it's time for some to get left behind, we need to freshen it up when fully fit Coleman (as a right back), Anichebe, Rodwell, Barkley and Vellios need to be more involved in a new younger first team learning their trade on the pitch, Performances maybe up and down due to inexperiance but we'll have more patience with young player making mistakes than 30 year old full backs and 33/34 year old full backs playing in midfield.

were all fuming after a defeat but its time for some realism added were declining in quality through sales and square pegs in (steve) round holes, time for a change and moyes half attempted it tonight with 2 upfront but a poor centre midfield, we can't afford passengers anymore

yeh i agree saha has no competition and is maybe takin his place for granted, but cahill is only low on confidence and him and saha isnt a great combination

im not saying hibbert is brilliant, im sayin we're working within our means, we need to strengthen other places before places we have players able to do the job, hibbert has been solid, has set up a few and been solid defensively
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: AidyEFC9 on January 05, 2012, 05:00:29 AM
what? do you ever actually watch us play?

when we have 5 in midfield we always dominate games, its just that we struggle to create chances, but at least we usually restrict the chances of the opposition


Ha, what games do you see, 'we always dominate games', doubt it?!. Playing crab football at a slow pace isn't dominating games IMO. It's like against West Brom, we had a lot of the ball granted, but we played sideways and backwards infront of them, they sat there and watched us do it cos they didn't really need to defend cos we didn't have one player that would play a forward and penetrative pass!.

Maybe in a way when you do have a lot of the ball like we did against West Brom, and one or two other teams it is dominant in some respects but that isn't the way i'd like to see us be dominant.

Are football and they way we work it wide and the majority of the time, get shit deliveries in, isn't exciting at all, it gets worked out wide and it still doesn't get me out of my seat in anticipation that we might score cos 9 times out of 10 the ball into the box is shit!.

We've become a proper dull side, and yes, it is down to lack of creativity but it's also down to the way were coached aswell, we clearly don't put in enough hours in training on working with the ball, passing and moving, intricate stuff, keep ball, things to make the players feel comfortable on the ball. You can tell were not comfortable on the ball cos once under pressure, we go back and back until eventually it's either with the CB's or Howard and then it's just one long punt up field.

I never thought i'd think or say it but im really starting to lose interest in watching us, cos were predictable and i just know how were going to play or defend or stand off and not put teams under pressure, every game!. Every game i watch it's the same old story, and then what makes it worse is you watch certain teams that were up against or other teams play better, quicker attacking football, get stuck in and close down and look like there working hard for the team, fans and manager.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: bigac on January 05, 2012, 05:02:46 AM


I know we haven't got the quality in our ranks to play the way City do, but when it comes to hard work and running and chasing people down and going after the ball, we should be equals but where not!.

You dont even need the quality of City. Swansea and Norwich are showing how a simple passing game with players in their correct positions can be effective because their teams are balanced and their aim is to do something positive with the ball first. Newcastle did it brilliantly tonight (I wonder what formation they played - 2 ball playing centre mids seemed to do just fine against the champions). That comes from the manager and Moyes is becoming a massive fail in this respect. I too am questioning what is being done on the training field now? You have to assume thay play as they train?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: tafftoff on January 05, 2012, 05:07:53 AM
10 yrs of complacency believing "hoofball" and "best of the rest" equals progression.

Beaten by bottom of the division at Goodison - not like it's a surprise, is it?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: AidyEFC9 on January 05, 2012, 05:12:01 AM
You don't even need the quality of City. Swansea and Norwich are showing how a simple passing game with players in their correct positions can be effective because their teams are balanced and their aim is to do something positive with the ball first. Newcastle did it brilliantly tonight (I wonder what formation they played - 2 ball playing centre mids seemed to do just fine against the champions). That comes from the manager and Moyes is becoming a massive fail in this respect. I too am questioning what is being done on the training field now? You have to assume thay play as they train?


Actually you have a point with what you say about the likes of Swansea and Norwich. They play a system and play players in there right positions and they play some good stuff and work hard aswell and like i said to my old man, we have a few good players in our team, there not all shit, but im sure other managers, ya likes of Coyle, Martinez, Lambert, Pardew, O'Neill, would have us playing better and working harder off the ball!.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: AidyEFC9 on January 05, 2012, 05:17:56 AM
Well just seen Moyes on MOTD and usually after a performance like tonight you can sense in his demeanour and face that he's well and truly pissed off but i didn't see that from him tonight, he might of said it wasn't good enough but he didn't seem all that arsed about it to me?!!.

A few have been saying on here that Moyesy looks to of lost his passion and drive for the job of late and after seeing that post match interview, and after the manor of our defeat, im starting to believe it!. I wonder if how he's being and been all season, is rubbing off on the players and that's why there not performing better?. It's just a thought but something isn't right?!.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: bluemanx3 on January 05, 2012, 05:27:04 AM
everton with neville in team loose: fact
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2012, 05:33:33 AM
Well just seen Moyes on MOTD and usually after a performance like tonight you can sense in his demeanour and face that he's well and truly pissed off but i didn't see that from him tonight, he might of said it wasn't good enough but he didn't seem all that arsed about it to me?!!.

A few have been saying on here that Moyesy looks to of lost his passion and drive for the job of late and after seeing that post match interview, and after the manor of our defeat, im starting to believe it!. I wonder if how he's being and been all season, is rubbing off on the players and that's why there not performing better?. It's just a thought but something isn't right?!.

Been saying this all season mate.  How's he supposed to inspire when he's been walking round since July with a grid like an 8 year old who's puppy has just died.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 05, 2012, 05:39:25 AM
Been saying this all season mate.  How's he supposed to inspire when he's been walking round since July with a grid like an 8 year old who's puppy has just died.

i remember he was promised 2 things in order for him to sign with everton, never to have to sell his best players and one big signing a season, hes had to sell and hes not bought his signing since felliani, maybe bily, hes stuck with us but he maybe needs motivated by the board and we all know how that would end up, so i dont really blame him, im certain, actually im confident if we had that signing a season, arteta and pienaar would still be here and wed have a far better team and would be top 5
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: bluestevie on January 05, 2012, 05:42:45 AM
the last 25 mins after howards goal was utterly shambolic. saha can fuck right off now, straq showed more fucking passion than that waste of space. we should never have fucking lost that tonight after leading. i really fear for saturday now, and i never do that when we play lower/non league sides in cups
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: t2487 on January 05, 2012, 05:45:59 AM
What went through that giant hair of Fellaini's in signing an 'extension' ?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Geordie Blue on January 05, 2012, 05:48:06 AM
I was listening to him on the radio on the way back from the match - he got cut off by the reporter but sure he was about to say he'd never felt so bad/depressed about a result. He offered no excuses and said everyone except Howard and maybe Donovan in bits were rubbish (not his exact words obviously). In the end the reporter was trying to cheer him up!

I think he's now feeling What's the point! Every quote you see is so negative it must be getting the players down - he was talking Bolton up before the match.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Gash on January 05, 2012, 05:51:48 AM
What went through that giant hair of Fellaini's in signing an 'extension' ?

About enough to pay for 7000 haircuts a week.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Stumpy on January 05, 2012, 05:59:53 AM
His whole attitude is stinking the place out at the moment,Every time you see him he's got a face like a 50 quid fine.I was only telling my mates on new years eve how bad it's got with him,and i honestly believe it's rubbing off on the players.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: TheRam on January 05, 2012, 06:34:10 AM
The most depressing night I have ever had at Goodison.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: JoeHart on January 05, 2012, 06:39:50 AM
and pat nevin only last week said we need davey moyes more than he needs us!
haha

while kenwirght is the poison, moyes is a big part of the problem
9 years plus of the same negative, predictable, boring, defensive football.

shame carlsberg are not our sponsors.
they could do an advert
david moyes- probably the most over-rated manager in the world.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Optimistic Blue on January 05, 2012, 06:51:02 AM
I thought we were unlucky tonight actually
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: TheRam on January 05, 2012, 06:57:03 AM
I thought we were unlucky tonight actually

haha How?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: evertonjoe on January 05, 2012, 06:57:33 AM
I thought we were unlucky tonight actually

How?

We could have possibly had a penalty,but we got a huge slice of luck with the goal and were outplayed in the second half.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Verm on January 05, 2012, 06:58:09 AM
I thought we were unlucky tonight actually

Unlucky would have been if they'd scored a deflected goal and got a dodgy penalty but we dominated.

We were not unlucky, we were shite.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: bluestevie on January 05, 2012, 07:24:39 AM
I thought we were unlucky tonight actually

baine's free kick aside, we were not unlucky in the slightest. it was a poor performance
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: CarlosAlberto on January 05, 2012, 09:07:34 AM
Do we play the worst standard of football in the Premier League?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Verm on January 05, 2012, 09:10:01 AM
Do we play the worst standard of football in the Premier League?

Nope, still Stoke.

When everyone's fit our standard of Football isn't that bad, it's the standard of finishing that's abysmal.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 09:54:37 AM
Why do people still take Optimistic Blue's bait every time?
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2012, 09:55:09 AM
and pat nevin only last week said we need davey moyes more than he needs us!
haha

while kenwirght is the poison, moyes is a big part of the problem
9 years plus of the same negative, predictable, boring, defensive football.

shame carlsberg are not our sponsors.
they could do an advert
david moyes- probably the most over-rated manager in the world.

9 months of the same negative, predictable, boring posting.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: t2487 on January 05, 2012, 11:20:00 AM
Nope, still Stoke.

When everyone's fit our standard of Football isn't that bad, it's the standard of finishing that's abysmal.

My best mate is a Stoke season ticket holder.

I'd rather be in Stoke's current situation than ours. Not only do we play shite, we are shite and don't look like improving.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Macca77 on January 05, 2012, 02:50:30 PM
We're the worst team in the league, last nights performance just proved that, no passion whatsoever, every player couldnt wait to get rid of the ball, I for one wasnt surprised with the result all, Bolton were the better team and deserved to win, as soon as I saw the starting 11 I knew it was going to bad, Coyle mustve pissed his pants when he saw our line up.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 04:14:25 PM
We are not the worst team in the league or the worst footballing team.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 05, 2012, 04:28:09 PM
It was just one of those days,problem is we seem to be having quite a few of them!I can laugh a bit about it now as it was a totally freakish game but last night standing at bank hall at 10 to 11 still waiting for the train home, freezing cold knowing that I had to be up at half 5 wasn't fun!we'l go again and find our form, as soon as Saha scores I reckon he will go on a run of goals, Im gonna take a leaf out of optimistic blue's book and say that we're gonna be ok, 58 point this season, mark my words. Then next season wel finish 4th (don't mark those words)
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 04:46:38 PM
It was just one of those days,problem is we seem to be having quite a few of them!I can laugh a bit about it now as it was a totally freakish game but last night standing at bank hall at 10 to 11 still waiting for the train home, freezing cold knowing that I had to be up at half 5 wasn't fun!we'l go again and find our form, as soon as Saha scores I reckon he will go on a run of goals, Im gonna take a leaf out of optimistic blue's book and say that we're gonna be ok, 58 point this season, mark my words. Then next season wel finish 4th (don't mark those words)

Of course we are going to be okay. It's the fact that okay is as good as it gets that is depressing. 
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Macca77 on January 05, 2012, 04:59:41 PM
We are not the worst team in the league or the worst footballing team.

Im struggling to think who is worse than us, Blackburn maybe? Thats about it
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2012, 05:10:04 PM
Blackburn, Stoke, Villa, Wolves and Sunderland all play crap football.  We play decent football with no cutting edge when we have our first choice eleven out.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: Verm on January 05, 2012, 05:12:58 PM
My best mate is a Stoke season ticket holder.

I'd rather be in Stoke's current situation than ours. Not only do we play shite, we are shite and don't look like improving.

I'd rather be in Stoke's situation too.

But the Football they play is still hideous.
Title: Re: Everton V Bolton Wanderers
Post by: fast lane on January 05, 2012, 05:16:47 PM
Blackburn, Stoke, Villa, Wolves and Sunderland all play crap football.  We play decent football with no cutting edge when we have our first choice eleven out.

I wouldn't rate Villa amongst the dross, especially if Ireland's playing.
Stoke have to be the worst though, although Blackburn and the Wolves aren't that far behind.