Spurs came to Goodison and battered us first half but couldn't score . It could be more of the same against the shite ,I fancy us if we score first ,otherwise 0-0. Wonder which kopite ref we'll get ?
What is RM's record like against Liverpool, and Shark face in particular.
Yesterday one of the commentators said that RM's teams had never won a game at Palace. It's strange how these bogeys exist and continue.
I think we need to have a bit of perspective here though and not build them up as if they are some sort of leviathan. If Sturridge or Suarez are poor they don't have a lot else going for them. Our defence and midfield are better than there's and Lukaku could be the difference this time round.
If fans and players go into this with the same old defeatist attitude we will get what we deserve. A new manager, a new approach a win is well within us.
Think everyone is being a tad pessimistic here. Suarez as good as he is, is prone to a stupid red card. Both teams will make mistakes its up to us to take advantage. Theyre great going forward but very suspect on the back foot. If we control the game we'll win. If we are erratic we will lose.
Think everyone is being a tad pessimistic here. Suarez as good as he is, is prone to a stupid red card. Both teams will make mistakes its up to us to take advantage. Theyre great going forward but very suspect on the back foot. If we control the game we'll win. If we are erratic we will lose.
Think everyone is being a tad pessimistic here. Suarez as good as he is, is prone to a stupid red card. Both teams will make mistakes its up to us to take advantage. Theyre great going forward but very suspect on the back foot. If we control the game we'll win. If we are erratic we will lose.
Chill. Its Liverpool's destiny to beat us twice & win the league this season so its as good a chance as any for RM to relax, blood the youngsters & give the lads on international duty a well-earned rest.......so was I mate . As I keep reminding my kopite mates ,Liverpool are relative newcomers to top flight football.
Don't tell that to Edbootle though as he was around when there was no derby match as these cunts were in the second division.
Hola!
Hopefully Howard continues his good form, we will probably need him.
At least we've kept 6 clean sheets in 11 premier league games, including our last 3.
They are shite, front two apart. Unfortunately Rat and Sturridge know where the net is unlike our shot shy front 6. Can see it being either 1-3 or 1-4 with us down to 9 or 10 men, Mccarthy is a cert to be red carded.
All this bullshit that McCarthy is inevitably destined for a red card is getting out of hand, he's never been sent off in his professional career.
What a load of shite. Where's all this McCarthy red card stuff coming from?
Two weeks to go and we've lost this game before a ball's even been kicked.
See my answer to Samwise. If we play remotely like we have done against Palace and Spurs, with a complete lack of tempo, and half the side not turning up, against the shite, we will get torn a new one. While Moyes might have gone, most of the squad that he's spent the last 10 years making them shit themselves every time we play them, are still there, and Martinez will need to perform a real miracle of psychology to get them out of this mindset.
See my answer to Samwise. If we play remotely like we have done against Palace and Spurs, with a complete lack of tempo, and half the side not turning up, against the shite, we will get torn a new one. While Moyes might have gone, most of the squad that he's spent the last 10 years making them shit themselves every time we play them, are still there, and Martinez will need to perform a real miracle of psychology to get them out of this mindset.
That's the spirit, positive as ever.U know me ;)
If our fans mindset is anything to go by,he'll need more than a miracle.
a bit like Joe Royle did?
his first derby was in November too....
U know me ;)
Indeed Si, we can but hope,
there are similarities that I will go into in more detail once I have something confirmed, but Martinez and Royle could have a similar first season in charge at Everton...
Fans mindset doesn't make too much of a difference, there'l be a great atmosphere at the game. We have a terrible record against these though, they are above us in the league, playing better football and scoring more goals so you would have to say they are favourites
Not impossible for us to get a result, though if I am being honest I expect us to be beaten
Fans mindset doesn't make too much of a difference, there'l be a great atmosphere at the game. We have a terrible record against these though, they are above us in the league, playing better football and scoring more goals so you would have to say they are favourites
Not impossible for us to get a result, though if I am being honest I expect us to be beaten
......so was I mate . As I keep reminding my kopite mates ,Liverpool are relative newcomers to top flight football.
And what do they say?........they usually say - it's your round :cheers:
I don't do optimism
Cant blame Moyes for the negative attitude he had in this game when are fans are even worse.
Strange comments in here! I guess yesterdays draw adds to the 'inevitable' bottling against the shite though. The past 2 games have seen me rethink whether i actually believe we have an outstanding team, it seems the drive has gone a bit, especially first half against spurs when no one could even be arsed to tackle!
I think the most important thing will be if Barkley starts, if he does i think we can win this, he will actually shoot which is something no one else has been doing, and he will chase and tackle etc. We need him to drive us forward. People may say he could be a loose cannon with the emotion of the derby but i think we need that emotion put back into the team.
Im dreading The two cunts up front and hoping some psycho runs onto the pitch with a machete and takes off Sturridge's arms if he scores.
Outstanding is a stretch I think so far mate but we have a good side that hasn't quite clicked yet. Newcastle is more of an indication of what we are capable of than Palace for sure. I think people need to remember that Jags and Distin have hardly been destroyed by either Sturridge or Suarez particularly in any derby. They usually need a huge slice of luck.
I get excited easilly because i've only really seen shite or mediocre! That first half against Newcastle i felt like i was watching Barca!! So im even more gutted when we play so poor like the spurs and game yesterday.
Different set up though this time, i would be worrying about that stupid passing we do with Howard, and the defense. Suarez will love that for sure!
Yeah, they are going to have to be smart with Suarez and Sturridge pressing them. On the other hand, would think Barry will drop for the ball though leaving both of them flat and giving us space to attack through the midfield.
Hate our fans.
3 games ago people would be backing us to take them. Two mediocre results (and the Spurs one was a good point) and we are suddenly destined to get battered.
Apart from Lizz :evil:
........they usually say - it's your round :cheers:
Bitter?..........anything but Carlsberg lolol
Wonder how many posts this thread will end up with?
too many if they're the same as what has already been posted
Wonder how many posts this thread will end up with?
Heard suarez could be out for this because he has a Uruguay match in Uruguay on the Wednesday so could be suffering from jetlag. anyone know anything ? could be blues making up something to make us feel better
The mass suicide when the team is announced should keep it to fairly sensible levels..........Hibbert for Coleman ?
I bet if we go on RAWK the match thread will be all about how they should win and it's an easy 3 points etc etc, while we acting scared.
Man up boys
They've probably not even got a thread up yet?
I bet if we go on RAWK the match thread will be all about how they should win and it's an easy 3 points etc etc, while we acting scared.
Man up boys
Like we did for the palace game!we are meeting at 8am. The day after will not be a good day
You never know in derbies...the one thing I do know is ill feel like vomiting come kickoff. Because of the butterflies and not the copious amount of pre match alcohol by the way!
we are meeting at 8am. The day after will not be a good day
I can live with hangovers when everton have won.true that
Not gonna entertain thinking about this till at least next thursday
Looks like I might have some tickets. What's the top balcony like? I'm near the front so should be a decent view, but I imagine it must be cold up there.Great view up there, wrap up warm tho
Looks like I might have some tickets. What's the top balcony like? I'm near the front so should be a decent view, but I imagine it must be cold up there.
Looks like I might have some tickets. What's the top balcony like? I'm near the front so should be a decent view, but I imagine it must be cold up there.
Dont want to piss on your parade, but its shite up there. I'am scared of heights though.
Then again I doubt you care and you're just happy to have a ticket. Enjoy :)
I was a little worried about the atmosphere up there, but I think with it being a derby it should be good.
I remember reading about how cold it is up there in a thread a few years ago but if I can't handle that kind of cold I wouldn't be a very good Canadian :)
I was a little worried about the atmosphere up there, but I think with it being a derby it should be good.
I remember reading about how cold it is up there in a thread a few years ago but if I can't handle that kind of cold I wouldn't be a very good Canadian :)
Excited now, got myself a little chub going on.
Where else are you going to visit?
I'm going to check out the Museum of Liverpool and maybe head to a restaurant at Albert Dock and walk around there as well. Might check out Liverpool One on the Sunday before I fly off to Barcelona.
Any other suggestions?
Can I recommend this place for your tea...it's not far from Albert Dock http://www.meetsteakhouse.co.uk (http://www.meetsteakhouse.co.uk).
It's by far the best steak I've ever had, plate is massive and sides are good quality. You won't regret it! See if you can smash a 24oz!
I'm going to check out the Museum of Liverpool and maybe head to a restaurant at Albert Dock and walk around there as well. Might check out Liverpool One on the Sunday before I fly off to Barcelona.
Any other suggestions?
I'm going to check out the Museum of Liverpool and maybe head to a restaurant at Albert Dock and walk around there as well. Might check out Liverpool One on the Sunday before I fly off to Barcelona.
Any other suggestions?
You'd be far better going on the Beatles tour than wondering round a shopping centre on a Sunday.
The Maritime Museum's well worth a look when you're down the Albert Dock......I think the yellow ducks have been banned/withdrawn nationwide ,not just in Liverpool.
Are the Yellow Duck Marines still grounded, might be best to see the city on a bus?
Who else are you going to visit?
Reading all these defeatist comments makes me fuckin mad,if you are supposed to be Everton supporters god fuckin help us.I have always thought you go into every game with the intensions of WINNING the game even what the result may be.GET A FUCKIN GRIP OF YOURSELVES. :headbang:
I was a little worried about the atmosphere up there, but I think with it being a derby it should be good.
I remember reading about how cold it is up there in a thread a few years ago but if I can't handle that kind of cold I wouldn't be a very good Canadian :)
Went to see a Europa League game with my dad and sat up there once. Around christmas. We were already through and played a team of youngsters. I have never been so cold in my life, i couldnt even remember the game i was so delirious hahaah
if they play 3-5-2 then I think that will minimize our attacking threat with just the one up top.
Reading all these defeatist comments makes me fuckin mad,if you are supposed to be Everton supporters god fuckin help us.I have always thought you go into every game with the intensions of WINNING the game even what the result may be.GET A FUCKIN GRIP OF YOURSELVES. :headbang:
Barca kid to start?
Looks like I might have some tickets. What's the top balcony like? I'm near the front so should be a decent view, but I imagine it must be cold up there.
Best view in the ground I reckon.
Just avoid the Lower Gwladys. Shite view and full of absolute helmets.
Barca kid to start?
Being mooted through the Echo articles that Martinez wouldn't be afraid to use him.
Could be preparing the ground.
Being mooted through the Echo articles that Martinez wouldn't be afraid to use him.
Could be preparing the ground.
Being mooted through the Echo articles that Martinez wouldn't be afraid to use him..........haven't the club got enough ground staff ?
Could be preparing the ground.
.........haven't the club got enough ground staff ?
I can't help but feel we are going to.get embarased here, despite our clean sheets we are giving away too many chances. Suarez is on fire atm and if he gets in behind he will punish us. I hope I'm wrong obviously but that is just the horrible feeling I'm getting just now. Hopefully, as the cliche goes, the formbook will go out the window.
Barca kid to start?
Barkley can handle himself, I reckon Delofew will flap himself.
Best view in the ground I reckon.
Just avoid the Lower Gwladys. Shite view and full of absolute helmets.
I sit (stand) there!!!!me too lizz :-[
me too lizz :-[
From my experience of sitting in that part of the ground there seems to be a higher concentration of people who talk utter shite compared to other parts of the ground.think if you are at the back you can't see fuck all. Where I sit is genuinely a good view tho
That must surely coincide with the fact you cant see anything that happens past the half way line.
This is obviously a bit tongue in cheek and I doubt you's two fall into the helmet category but I hate sitting in that part of the ground.
Family enclosure is a great view and you get to harass the playersThis, used to terror the subs warming up until they swapped sides
This, used to terror the subs warming up until they swapped sides
I think poor Joel Robles hates me.Had a few times subs would shout back at me, pennant and babel did a few times
"About now is the time they start being twitchy and nervous about the derby. If you encounter one of them ( and I do say that like they are a poisonous species ) then you'll be able to see it. You'll probably hear the words ' redshite bastards ' more often than usual and they will all be acting very tense and neurotic. The thought of losing a derby, to them, is worse than anything in life." RAWK
:whistle:
Thats you grounded after that lid.........I knew you'd grass me up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24917007 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24917007)
And of course he'll be nice and refreshed to face us.
not too fussed about who is missing for them. We've gone into these type games before with players missing ie FA Cup Semi without Reina, thinking it would be an easy ride and it wasn't.
Likewise the same has happened when we have gone into games with players missing and done the business ie Hibbert and Heitinga playing centre back against Man City in the infamous Straq standing ovation night!
All about how we perform on the day. Expect them to be at full strength personnel wise. We have to turn up for this one either way though, which we have failed to do on occasion in the past
i think thats why most of us are thinking the usual " we might get beat" as we dont turn up. so if we get something from the game like i say its a bonus
"most of us" I think you mean "some of us"
possibly but i think theres "more thinking it than some"
We've lost once this season, our home record in 2013 is fantastic, we played some great football and got some wonderful talent in the squad. There's no reason to fear them, unless of course your an eternal pessimist?
We've lost once this season, our home record in 2013 is fantastic, we played some great football and got some wonderful talent in the squad. There's no reason to fear them, unless of course your an eternal pessimist?The only worry I have is that Luis Suarez manages to make a bellend out of Distin every time we play them, if they didn't have Suarez i'd think we were going to twat them.
tell that to everyone else or others whos thinking the same sam
The only worry I have is that Luis Suarez manages to make a bellend out of Distin every time we play them, if they didn't have Suarez i'd think we were going to twat them.
Everyone else and others who feel the same as matty1878 you are now given permission to read my former comments.
your confident then sam? i hope your right. just look at our record at goodison as away its even worse. 1 win in 3 years? 2010 last time we beat them, forgive me for not being confident
........I knew you'd grass me up.
To me its less about the fact uts "them" more about the chance to get a valuable 3pts and maybe move into the top four. Although we are doing welli think the partnership they have has the potential to destroy our defence, and although we are keeping clean sheets our defence has looked rocky at times.
On a side note if those redshite bufoons don't think that winning/losing a local Derby is important then they clearly arnt proper fans are they.
I give up long ago trying to get people to stop being so suicidal about the derby
Wasn't it a redshite fan who committed suicide at half time of the CL final against Milan?
And they were only kidding it was his round.
Christ, this Century are our only wins against these the 3-0 AJ mauling, The 1-0 Carsley game, The FA Cup Gosling game and the 2-0 Cahill/Arteta 2010 game?
4 wins in the last 29?
Lots of draws I suppose
Lets sort that record out hey?!
Kind of understand why the misery guts like Sir Stealth and Matty1878 aren't expecting a win!
Everton have got a great home record, and is something to be envious of if you ask me. Fortress-like!
It's going to be anyone's game to be honest. With both managers attack minded, this should be a lot better than the derby at Anfield last season, how fucking dull was that!
I'd say it is a tough one to call, it can go any way, but I'm going for a slight lean towards Liverpool on this one. Feel free to berate me afterwards. ;-)
As for Liverpool being carried by our strikeforce that's just laughable. One of them never played for a good percentage of those games, it was the Gerrard show last weekend, and Mignolet certainly proved his worth in some of the opening games (memorably the penalty vs Stoke, and a great save against Villa). I personally think credit needs to be given throughout the team. If Martinez just concentrates on those two players, he'll regret it I'm sure.
May the best team win.
You were saying Gerrard was slipping up until last game mate. You have some good players but it is Sturridge and Suarez that are a threat. Everyone else is relatively easy to deal with by comparison..............we won't mention Gerrard's hat trick 2 seasons ago then.
Doesn't mean he not a good player, I just think it's a poor partnership in the centre of midfield. Henderson manages to cover it up with his running but it really can be exploited. Don't rate Cissokho either.
Doesn't mean he not a good player, I just think it's a poor partnership in the centre of midfield. Henderson manages to cover it up with his running but it really can be exploited. Don't rate Cissokho either.
The lad can still ping passes 60 yards and out for a throw-in for fun.
wish we could avoid this game i hate playing them as we never turn up
You were saying Gerrard was slipping up until last game mate. You have some good players but it is Sturridge and Suarez that are a threat. Everyone else is relatively easy to deal with by comparison.
Mirallas has assists for us too. It means he is still dangerous but not in great form.
Player of the Goodison derby last season for you guys till he got took off. Caused us all sorts of problems.
Player of the Goodison derby last season for you guys till he got took off. Caused us all sorts of problems.
''Til he got took off''.....you're having a laugh there mate. Until Suarez stamped on him, the horrible little twat. Not to mention the Distin one.
Huis Suarez really is a cunt.
Is that Luis brother?
I was saying Gerrard looked leggy and could do with a rest. He's now been declared he's been carrying a slight knock. Kinda proving my point.
Whatever I say doesn't matter, the fact is that Gerrard played a cracking game with 3 assists, so to say it's just our front 2 is niave.
Coutinho is another one to watch. ;-)
Rodgers is actually doing a great job there, it's just that he's an idiot when he opens his mouth.agree - he's doing very well for them at present . Can't stand him but I can't argue with their form or current league placing.
Rodgers is actually doing a great job there, it's just that he's an idiot when he opens his mouth.
Not sure about "great" Shogs, certainly doing a well. But then you'd expect it given the amount of money he's spent. Even then though he's wasted about £30m on poor players, and some of this summers transfers look far good business.
Lets not forget he took over a team who'd just made 2 finals and won one cup, it's not like they where relegation candidates or complete no hopers. We may laugh at Dalglish for his surly attitude, terrible PR skills and poor transfer decisions but he won a trophy and beat the top teams.
Huis Suarez and The News.
Liverpool can afford the odd bad purchase though because they have a lot more money than the likes of us, we'll have to wait and see what happens with them getting in the CL or not this year to judge him or not though.
''Til he got took off''.....you're having a laugh there mate. Until Suarez stamped on him, the horrible little twat. Not to mention the Distin one.
I don't think their first 11 is up to much, never mind squad. Yes they've had a good start, results wise but they've only beat teams they should have (apart from a poor utd). They certainly haven't dominated many of their games and have looked very ordinary against better sides.
Sturridge being on form early on along with Suarez now has bought them points pretty much single handedly.
Also the games I've seen this season Brendan's passing philosophy, which apparently he invented, hasn't been present. They've scraped a lot of wins without playing well, Sunderland, man utd, Stoke. Whilst it wouldn't bother me how we won Rogers wants to come across as some football revolutionary and genius...it's very clear he isn't.
They'll fall away after christmas when the fixtures are not as kind as they have been for them.
Reading that you wouldn't have thought Liverpool were 2nd, and 2pts behind the leaders.
You could say the same thing about us, only played Spurs and Chelsea.
You could say the same thing about us, only played Spurs and Chelsea.
I was just making a point and you use it to have a go at Suarez. Don't you think I know what he did? I could score points off you guys regarding that match but you know what, I can't be arsed.
when it comes to pointing fingers mate, be very careful. some of the things done by stevie,"don't dive" would make suarez baulk. and i won't mention dirk "high karate" kuyt ;)
And here we go again. Another person who decides to use a point I was making to score some cheap points and get some digs in. You just couldn't help yourself. Pathetic.
why do people like wooden spoon write on this site, go to your own site
Sturridge hobbled out of England training injured apparently.
He will then miraculously recover for the derby
Sturridge hobbled out of England training injured apparently.
Does it really matter though?Which? having lots of players on international duty?
Im not so sure its actually that important.
All the refs are shite anyway so it doesn't matter who it is. There is worse than him though at least.that late goal being disallowed last year was genius. Had it stood I would have lost my record and been suicidal
In all derbys they should not book anyone in the first half hour. Can see it being a proper stop start game
Would love to win it with a proper snide late goal that shouldnt stand but does!
Yep happy with Dowd, good ref...well at least till Saturday
I remember thinking clattenberg was having a decent game at half time in his derby...his mate Stevie must've had a word at half time ;).
I don't mind dowd too much. He seems less likely to be bullied which I can't say about too many refs these days.
Yeah he is prone to an error, but he takes no shit from players which is good. The best a referee can perform in a derby is that he doesn't get noticed.
I just hope we don't play like we have in the last 2 matches.
We need to be up for this.
No tippy tappy shite in our own half with the buck toothed diver playing or he will punish us.
We need to hit them hard and not let them settle.
i also think martinez knows it will show if we can compete " with the so called top 4 chasing pack"
its a derby, form goes out the window its evertons chance to make amends for our previous encounters
against this lot. to me a " plan" doesnt work in a game like this as you have to mix it up and still it can take just once chance, one moment of brilliance. come on everton lets do this shit and be counted lets get goodison rocking like it can.
a game plan in a derby? i woudnt say they work. this isnt " spurs or chelsea" tho is it sam? its liverpool its a team we seem to fear more than any other. well we did previously, lets hope we settle this come saturday but in derbys you cant, predict nor tell what will happen.
a game plan in a derby? i woudnt say they work. this isnt " spurs or chelsea" tho is it sam? its liverpool its a team we seem to fear more than any other. well we did previously, lets hope we settle this come saturday but in derbys you cant, predict nor tell what will happen.
a game plan in a derby? i woudnt say they work. this isnt " spurs or chelsea" tho is it sam? its liverpool its a team we seem to fear more than any other. well we did previously, lets hope we settle this come saturday but in derbys you cant, predict nor tell what will happen.
Of course we need to stick to a game plan Matty it's not a Sunday league game.
Obviously a manager sets up a team with a plan Jesus.
Is a plan Jesus in case Plan A and B don't work?
Plan Jesus, is a defensive drill for defenders. It's designed to deal with specific situations when the ball is projected into the penalty area from either wing, the object is to stop the attacking player scoring
I just hope we don't play like we have in the last 2 matches.
We need to be up for this.
No tippy tappy shite in our own half with the buck toothed diver playing or he will punish us.
We need to hit them hard and not let them settle.
Yes let's not pass it, let's play long ball to a lone striker with no support...the tactics moyes used for most of his derbies with practically no success.I am not suggesting not passing the ball just not in our own half so much we are a mistake waiting to happen with goofy about.
I'm looking forward to a different approach, it might turn the derby form tables around. Gone are the days where you can rely on passion to win these games...the passion should still be there but it should have a decent game plan to go with it.
If there's one thing Martinez sides have proven is that they don't go into a game with fear. Unfortunately we've gone into every derby with fear the past decade or so. With that I mind we might just show these twats for what they are.
Liverpool will no doubt be playing a reverse inverted defensive wingattack so we will have to have the tactics to counter that.
I am not suggesting not passing the ball just not in our own half so much we are a mistake waiting to happen with goofy about.
We need to take the game to them play in their half,let the fullbacks bomb foreward and play with a quicker tempo.
We need passion and spirit I just hope Martinez understands what a derby is about
Whats that actually mean?What it says
What it says
So your insinuating that Martinez doesn't understand that the makeup of a derby game includes passion and spirit, and he's never understood it. Even though he's been a professional footballer and manager for 25 years.I am saying he has never been involved in a Merseyside derby before and I hope he realises the passion needed.
Don't be so stupid.
I think plan Jesus is implemented only on crosses.
I am saying he has never been involved in a Merseyside derby before and I hope he realises the passion needed.
why is that stupid?
I do worry how laid back he is and if he is getting through to the players regarding desire and spirit because a lot of the players don't seem to be performing like they were last season.
Oh so what your now saying is a Merseyside derby requires more passion and spirit than other derbies. That some how you need more passion and spirit for this derby than you would if it was a Manchester derby or a Birmingham derby, or Glasgow or Madrid or where ever.Listen we have different opinions so what that's what a forum is for.
Well that's just more bullshit.
You talk about him being laid back. But you do realise that that's his public persona, unless you have first hand experience you dont know any different to everyone's else what his attitude is like behind the scene, away from the cameras.
You also make it sound like its a bad thing exuding a calm influence, like theres no positives from being relaxed when all around you people's emotions are effecting their judgment and performances in a negative way. Footballs changed a hell of a lot since the days of managers pinning players up against the changing room wall because they aren't trying hard enough.
Listen we have different opinions so what that's what a forum is for.
You don't need to disrespect to get a point across I am not disrespecting you.
We will see Saturday how things pan out.
And Bill Kenwright offered Oviedo a row boat.
And Bill Kenwright offered Oviedo a row boat.
they haven't even sold out their allocation
It's not a big game for them, if it was they'd send a private jet for there top striker so that he was back fresh for the game, oh wait.........................
they haven't even sold out their allocation..........in fairness the early kick-off means a 6 a.m. start from Oslo.
they haven't even sold out their allocation
how do you know this si? thats crazy you would think they would sell there allocation.
still advertising on their OS mate
not many, but still tickets left
AND their tickets have been reduced as part of the FA's "enhancing away fans experience" rubbish
still advertising on their OS mate.............couldn't resist a peek into the dark side. I have to compliment them on still using our old badge.
not many, but still tickets left
match referees Phil Dowd and Steven Gerrard getting their story straight
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Is that a recent picture?all new sponsors and that. Been doing the rounds on fb over the weekend
all new sponsors and that. Been doing the rounds on fb over the weekend
Im sure that's from a while back. I really wouldn't read anything into it.
No doubt a lot of our fans will though
you just know it's happening, always happens to us but nobody says a word.
It makes me laugh when they say they can't get tickets, as if they've tried. The majority of them have no intention of going the match.
they haven't even sold out their allocation
<Goes on Everton website. Introduced with half-price season tickets. Laughs.>
Tell me again how many turned up for Tony Hibberts testimonial. Less than half full you say???
Any one else sick of this tit for tat shit? It's like being in a playground.
<Goes on Everton website. Introduced with half-price season tickets. Laughs.>
Tell me again how many turned up for Tony Hibberts testimonial. Less than half full you say???
Any one else sick of this tit for tat shit? It's like being in a playground.
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Maybe it's because of the shot your lot come out with about waiting lists to get in the game.
I still don't get why we get stick for the half season tickets.
It's obvious, it's because it's small time and they have a big long waiting list.it's cos they all went to carras and then they all went to his bar after too
Fuck knows what Hibbert's testimonial has do with anything though.
Any one else sick of this tit for tat shit? It's like being in a playground.
What do you expect though? The only tit for tat comes from you getting all precious at any criticism of Liverpool. I've said before, but as a Liverpool fan posting on an Everton forum, what do expect to hear, especially in the run up to a local derby, our undying love for you? The fact is, your club hasn't sold out their allocation four days from kick off, and that fact has been posted on an Everton forum, this isn't really anything unusual, so it's you that's causing the tit for tat arguments all the time by trying to counter things that Evertonians have posted about Liverpool, if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to come on here.
I just don't understand what you expect from this forum or any other Everton forum?
<Goes on Everton website. Introduced with half-price season tickets. Laughs.>
Tell me again how many turned up for Tony Hibberts testimonial. Less than half full you say???
Any one else sick of this tit for tat shit? It's like being in a playground.
Tell you what, I'll start an Everton thread up that I'll post up everything bad about efc, you'll soon see how pathetic it looks.
The reason I brought up Hibberts testimonial is because we're getting stick for not selling our allocation of tickets for a derby...yet. But when you don't even get half a staduim full for one of your loyal servants it smacks of hypocrisy.
Tell you what, I'll start an Everton thread up that I'll post up everything bad about efc, you'll soon see how pathetic it looks.
The reason I brought up Hibberts testimonial is because we're getting stick for not selling our allocation of tickets for a derby...yet. But when you don't even get half a staduim full for one of your loyal servants it smacks of hypocrisy.
They're all breaking down over Sturridge playing last night.Ha how is it Fergusons fault?
They've even managed, YET AGAIN, to somehow drag Ferguson into it.
Tell you what, I'll start an Everton thread up that I'll post up everything bad about efc,
You don't need to start a thread on here, just go onto pretty much any Liverpool forum, they'll have one there. Like I said, if you don't like what you see here don't bother coming on, it really is as simple as that.
And the Hibbert comparison is stupid, it was basically a mid week pre season friendly, not a derby match against your city rivals.
What do you expect though? The only tit for tat comes from you getting all precious at any criticism of Liverpool. I've said before, but as a Liverpool fan posting on an Everton forum, what do expect to hear, especially in the run up to a local derby, our undying love for you? The fact is, your club hasn't sold out their allocation four days from kick off, and that fact has been posted on an Everton forum, this isn't really anything unusual, so it's you that's causing the tit for tat arguments all the time by trying to counter things that Evertonians have posted about Liverpool, if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to come on here.
I just don't understand what you expect from this forum or any other Everton forum?
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/29/article-2224671-15BBAC66000005DC-468_634x431.jpg)
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lolol
It's not a mid week pre season friendly though was it? It was a chance for the fans to show their appreciation for a long serving player of the club. Just because you didn't even half-fill the stadium don't try and turn it into something that it isn't.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't Liverpool's allocation of derby tickets now been sold out???
Premature reaction if ever I did see one.
"Oh, look look, Liverpool can't even sell.......oh they have! Erm. Yeah well, kopites are gobshites aren't they though!"
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't Liverpool's allocation of derby tickets now been sold out???
It's the hypocrisy that I'm getting at.
I'm sure half the the stadium was closed for Hibberts game. They never had all the ground open.
They're all breaking down over Sturridge playing last night.
They've even managed, YET AGAIN, to somehow drag Ferguson into it.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't Liverpool's allocation of derby tickets now been sold out???
Premature reaction if ever I did see one.
"Oh, look look, Liverpool can't even sell.......oh they have! Erm. Yeah well, kopites are gobshites aren't they though!"
<Goes on Everton website. Introduced with half-price season tickets. Laughs.>
Tell me again how many turned up for Tony Hibberts testimonial. Less than half full you say???
Any one else sick of this tit for tat shit? It's like being in a playground.
That last picture is a look of a man who has just been robbed.
...oh, that's because he was!!!
I am saying he has never been involved in a Merseyside derby before and I hope he realises the passion needed.
Roberto Martinez, the Everton manager, believes there is no bigger fixture than the Merseyside derby and that Saturday’s clash has particular significance.
The Spaniard will take charge of his first showdown with Liverpool as Everton manager at Goodison Park in the lunchtime kick-off.
Martinez said: “It is a massive game. First and foremost, it’s a glamorous fixture.
“It’s one of those games that is followed worldwide and the significance, the passion and the history is reflected in the game.
“This one is more important because both teams are in the top six and both have had strong starts to the season.
“The points in the derby will be important in themselves.
“All in all, it’s as big a game in football you can get.”
Not looking forward to this, hoping we dont play so gung ho
quite open-minded going into this to be honest
always, always hated derby day over the last 10 years but actually quite looking forward to it
big breakfast then over to the ground and soak up the atmosphere
probably still work my way through about 30 ciggies before kick off though!
I remember seeing you outside Wembley when we played these, man you looked so stressed.
That last picture is a look of a man who has just been robbed.You are fucking losing your grip.... robbed because a player scored a goal you found perfect ??? seem to remember the guy scoring the goal should have had 3 yellow cards by then .. and the freekick leading up to your "goal" never should have been given ... but that's another story. If you don't like the smell on here I think you should just f... o.. :headbang:
...oh, that's because he was!!!
That last picture is a look of a man who has just been robbed.
...oh, that's because he was!!!
I remember seeing you outside Wembley when we played these, man you looked so stressed.
Look for the picture of the foul by Coates before the ball was put in the net too
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Foul??? In whose opinion??? "Yours" you say???your getting quite boring now bws.
Funny that.
Foul??? In whose opinion??? "Yours" you say???
Funny that.
You haven't got a gif of him lifting the European Cup have you?
Foul??? In whose opinion??? "Yours" you say???
Funny that.
That last picture is a look of a man who has just been robbed.
...oh, that's because he was!!!
He's now resorted to default kopite mode.
This is the first level towards meltdown.
Foul??? In whose opinion??? "Yours" you say???
Funny that.
If so, it's all the more ironic that you got all precious and fell off your high horse.
More irony.
Look, I've said twice already, if you don't like what is said about Liverpool on here, don't come on, no one is forcing you to. There's rarely going to be any mutual respect or complimentary comments of Liverpool and that clearly winds you up. You then start claiming it's all tit for tat, when it's you that brings an argument to the place, it's not as if it's Evertonians defending Liverpool and you're just joining in with them. If you're going to come on here, don't moan if everything is seen from an Evertonian's point of view, and if you do moan, don't then be surprised when everyone starts having a go at you.
The fact that people were having a go at Liverpool for not selling their allocation, when in fact they have, has kept me well and truly on my high horse.
Point it out a third time if you want, I couldn't give a shit. I'll still be pointing out the hypocrisy and inaccuracies if people keep posting them.
You haven't got a gif of him lifting the European Cup have you?
The fact that people were having a go at Liverpool for not selling their allocation, when in fact they have, has kept me well and truly on my high horse.
Point it out a third time if you want, I couldn't give a shit. I'll still be pointing out the hypocrisy and inaccuracies if people keep posting them.
The refs you fuckin bellend
You dont give a shit?
Your behaviour in here would prove otherwise.
It was in reference to him telling me a third time (if he wants).
Really?!?!?!
What makes you say that???
irrelevant really given that it was clearly offside (and given as such) and the player who was caught offside shouldn't even have been on the pitch after his assault on Distin
Him blowing that thing rhymes with thistle
You mean the one he blew for offside? Incorrectly by the way.
Why are you so assed about what we think?
I'm not. Hence why I added "I couldn't give a shit".
The fact that people were having a go at Liverpool for not selling their allocation, when in fact they have, has kept me well and truly on my high horse.
Point it out a third time if you want, I couldn't give a shit. I'll still be pointing out the hypocrisy and inaccuracies if people keep posting them.
Log off dickead.
Loving this thread haha
No. Dickhead.
Have you been sent on a mission by a redshite forum to be a bad prick? Cos it's mission accomplished so you may as well go.
You need to brush up on your football Si. It wasn't offside, and the goal should have stood.
As to the second half of your wind-up, that's your opinion. I wouldn't of expected anything else.
Do one you rat.
Do one you rat.
Do one you rat.
Do one you rat.
Yes, three days before the game, not exactly rushing to get them. It's the perpetuated myth that Liverpool are so wonderfully supported that it's impossible to get a ticket to see them that gives people cause to skit them.
Is this you BWS?
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a stamp on an achilles is an opinion now?
deary me
and it was given offside, because it was offside. I was gutted Gerrard did that slide though, as it meant he was perfectly placed to tackle Baines on the break. If only he'd waited to see if it had been given we could have bagged a third and really wound you up!
Liverpool average attendance 2013/14 - 44,704. More than 98% of full capacity.
Everton average attendance 2013/14 - 36,629. Less than 92% of full capacity.
That should put to bed arguments about Liverpool's support at home this season.
Good god, i have never been so offended in my life. Whatever will this boy do next, throw a paving slab at my head or something.
Mikel Arteta v Liverpool 2010-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J5ink8JrmM#ws)
I don't like getting involved....but it wasn't home support that was being questioned mate, it was away support.
It was ok to have this gobs#ite come on here and give his opinion on the game. Now that it's a childish windup pissing match, ban him so we can get back to regular discussion.
Not going to happen. Ban me and they'd have to ban all the other wind up posters too.
Not going to happen. Ban me and they'd have to ban all the other wind up posters too.
Are you going to point out all the other wind-ups too?
Nah, didn't think so.
You edited your post? "Not going to happen" in reference to banning you. Fucking hell you arrogant little toad.
He just weren't quick enough though, was he. Thinking he's got some sort of immunity.
You edited your post? "Not going to happen" in reference to banning you. Fucking hell you arrogant little toad.
Hey-up, it's the post police.
Go fuck yourself Lizz. With a courgette.
That's a fair question. Answer is no: this is our forum for Evertonians to comment on everything Everton. The wind-ups exist because you have overstayed your welcome. Thanks for your initial few posts which were somewhat sensible but:
Please go away. Mods ban pls.
I know, that's pissed me off the most, thinking "it wont happen" he should be banned just for saying it wont. Reminds me of Adrian Durham. Both arrogant, clueless muppets.
Another one who can't stand the fact I'm holding up the mirror to them.
Sorry to spoil your "aren't Liverpool shite" wankfest.
Don't worry mate, you're not spoiling anything. Liverpool are still shite.
You've won 3 games out of the last 20 premier league games against us, you've not won a trophy in 18 years. We're shite? What are you?
Another one who can't stand the fact I'm holding up the mirror to them.
Sorry to spoil your "aren't Liverpool shite" wankfest.
Hey-up, it's the post police.
Go fuck yourself Lizz. With a courgette.
You've won 3 games out of the last 20 premier league games against us, you've not won a trophy in 18 years. We're shite? What are you?
Trying to tell a kopite they've got no class is like telling Justin Bieber he's shit. It just won't sink in.
You not a member on RAWK BWS? Why don't you go and contribute to their poetry section, write a shit poem about the spirit of shankly or something, maybe draw a nice picture of Paisley or show them your scarf collection. Creative soul like you would be welcomed over there.
Sadly, I'm pretty sure you're now actively trying to get banned. Even for some of the stuff you say on here, these last few posts have been totally out of character for you. Despite what you may think, even if an Everton fan had said that to Liz, something would have been said about if from a moderator, that kind of thing is below the belt, and it takes quite a lot on here for that to happen.
I know you'll say that you're "not arsed", which again begs the question, what are you doing here? I used to think you were a decent sort, I've stuck up for you at times when the likes of BNP were having a battle with you, but I'm beginning to think you're just coming on now as a WUM and to see how far you can push it, which is a shame really and also rather sad.
So they start abusing me personally, but when I retalliate I'm the one who should get banned.
Funny that.
it's also a mixed group im with.
err, i dont want to interrupt, but ah,
anyone got any good ideas for a pub for the derby? usually go to envi but i think the atmosphere might get a little bit much for me.
it's also a mixed group im with.
Anyway, going off a few facts I've posted it's nice to see where I would have stood if I did start an Everton thread posting shit about you guys.
It wouldn't have gone down well. It wouldn't have gone down well at all. Expected really.
I just think it's funny when the boot's on the other foot. "Ban him", "he's a WUM", etc, etc...
As for banning me - do it. It'll be a moral victory for me and the website would stink of hypocrisy. Or will you wait till after we dick you 4-1 in the derby. ;-)
Anyway, going off a few facts I've posted it's nice to see where I would have stood if I did start an Everton thread posting shit about you guys.I imagine there are one of them style threads on any given lfc site.... Am sure they would to read your contribution on there ;)
It wouldn't have gone down well. It wouldn't have gone down well at all. Expected really.
I just think it's funny when the boot's on the other foot. "Ban him", "he's a WUM", etc, etc...
As for banning me - do it. It'll be a moral victory for me and the website would stink of hypocrisy. Or will you wait till after we dick you 4-1 in the derby. ;-)
Anyway, going off a few facts I've posted it's nice to see where I would have stood if I did start an Everton thread posting shit about you guys.
It wouldn't have gone down well. It wouldn't have gone down well at all. Expected really.
I just think it's funny when the boot's on the other foot. "Ban him", "he's a WUM", etc, etc...
As for banning me - do it. It'll be a moral victory for me and the website would stink of hypocrisy. Or will you wait till after we dick you 4-1 in the derby. ;-)
Anyway, going off a few facts I've posted it's nice to see where I would have stood if I did start an Everton thread posting shit about you guys.
It wouldn't have gone down well. It wouldn't have gone down well at all. Expected really.
I just think it's funny when the boot's on the other foot. "Ban him", "he's a WUM", etc, etc...
As for banning me - do it. It'll be a moral victory for me and the website would stink of hypocrisy. Or will you wait till after we dick you 4-1 in the derby. ;-)
Anyway, going off a few facts I've posted it's nice to see where I would have stood if I did start an Everton thread posting shit about you guys.
It wouldn't have gone down well. It wouldn't have gone down well at all. Expected really.
I just think it's funny when the boot's on the other foot. "Ban him", "he's a WUM", etc, etc...
As for banning me - do it. It'll be a moral victory for me and the website would stink of hypocrisy. Or will you wait till after we dick you 4-1 in the derby. ;-)
Interesting stat - if Liverpool win on Saturday they'll have recorded the same number of derby wins as Everton at Goodison.So lets stop playing the poor innocent victim here.
I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.same
Wow. Just wow.
I know, Courgette!
:'( so small.
Try the cucumber then.
I was referring to the fact that you said he shouldn't have been on the pitch. Obviously the ref had a different opinion.The ref had a different opinion. Anyone with a good pair of eyes could see that. lolol He could have given a freekick on jags aswell for that goal ... anyone with a good pair of eyes could see that .. like the freekick that wasn't a freekick .. or the Suarez cards not given ... you cleary haven't a good pair of eyes .. if so your jeep them closed.
It was given offside, but wrongly so. Anyone with a good pair of eyes could see that.
That banner outside goodison. How brace are they? Taking a photo like that at 3am? They did something similar outside old Trafford a few years ago
Man U fans unfurled a 20 times banner inside anfield in the home end during a game
Everton fans have a video on YouTube of them singing anti kopite songs by the shankly gates after a derby
Liverpool fans wait til the dead of night
Cowards
That banner outside goodison. How brace are they? Taking a photo like that at 3am? They did something similar outside old Trafford a few years ago
Man U fans unfurled a 20 times banner inside anfield in the home end during a game
Everton fans have a video on YouTube of them singing anti kopite songs by the shankly gates after a derby
Liverpool fans wait til the dead of night
Cowards
Anyway, going off a few facts I've posted it's nice to see where I would have stood if I did start an Everton thread posting shit about you guys.
It wouldn't have gone down well. It wouldn't have gone down well at all. Expected really.
I just think it's funny when the boot's on the other foot. "Ban him", "he's a WUM", etc, etc...
As for banning me - do it. It'll be a moral victory for me and the website would stink of hypocrisy. Or will you wait till after we dick you 4-1 in the derby. ;-)
Barry and McCarthy will be vital Saturday. Distin and Jagielka face a tough test.
He's become like a muslim demanding sharia law in the UK.
Just so you know, blarg. Muslims in the UK don't really demand sharia law. At least none that I'm friends with, went to school with, have worked with, have ever met. It's a Daily Mail myth.
Oh surely there are a few knobheads out there that demand it? That's what I'm comparing him to.
Is that the same Shankly they banned from his own gates?
In none threadworthy news Enrique confirmed as out.
So presumably Cissokho plays. Haven't seen a lot of him really. Does this weaken them or are both their left backs pretty rubbish?
So presumably Cissokho plays. Haven't seen a lot of him really. Does this weaken them or are both their left backs pretty rubbish?
So presumably Cissokho plays. Haven't seen a lot of him really. Does this weaken them or are both their left backs pretty rubbish?Hope he plays Shako there. It seems that Rodgers has found out that even though you pay 15 mill. for a defender it's still a possibily that he can't play football. How the hell that none playing defende could get in the team ahead of Agger only genious like Rodgers and Daglish can explain. Sakho is up there with some of Liverpools best buy - Morientes - Carroll - Downing to name a few. Cissokho isn't mutch better but to say Liverpool are weakend without Enrique is some statement.
Dont know much about either but Cissokho was truly terrible against Arsenal!
Shankly died in 1981.
Gates were built in 1982.
Liverpool fans thought Shankly could walk on water. You think he could come back from the dead.
That banner outside goodison. How brace are they? Taking a photo like that at 3am? They did something similar outside old Trafford a few years ago
Man U fans unfurled a 20 times banner inside anfield in the home end during a game
Everton fans have a video on YouTube of them singing anti kopite songs by the shankly gates after a derby
Liverpool fans wait til the dead of night
Cowards
That banner outside goodison. How brace are they? Taking a photo like that at 3am? They did something similar outside old Trafford a few years ago
Man U fans unfurled a 20 times banner inside anfield in the home end during a game
Everton fans have a video on YouTube of them singing anti kopite songs by the shankly gates after a derby
Liverpool fans wait til the dead of night
Cowards
Might they play Johnson at LB and bring in someone at RB?Flanaghan is their other right back and Martin Kelly but I don't think he gets a look in.
Oh yeah, forgot he played in that match and he was terrible. Good shout, Lizz.
Might be a chance for Kev or Deulofeu to make themselves a hero then.
Weird one with Kelly, good from what i have seen.
OH MY GOD I hate your avatar.
What it's Silas, I'm Silas it works ;)
I hated that storyline, he creeped the fuck out of me haha
Oh so you banned him before the gates were erected? Thats a lot better then, YNWA.
No. What I'm trying to say is, how can Shankly be banned from his own gates when the gates weren't even built???
Ha he's back for Christmas so I am just pre-empting.
No. What I'm trying to say is, how can Shankly be banned from his own gates when the gates weren't even built???
Weird one with Kelly, good from what i have seen.
No. What I'm trying to say is, how can Shankly be banned from his own gates when the gates weren't even built???
Hmm.
Seemed like a lot of blood and thunder to me.
Lots of heavy touches but with a resultant heavy tackle which always gets the crowd on side.
Hmm.
Seemed like a lot of blood and thunder to me.
Lots of heavy touches but with a resultant heavy tackle which always gets the crowd on side.
Reminded me of Coleman when he first broke into the side. Potential in him I thought.
Hey-up, it's the post police.
Go fuck yourself Lizz. With a courgette.
I wish I was going the game. That roar from the crowd when the players leave the tunnel, onto the pitch is something else, Z Cars blasting in the background. Bliss that moment.............dead right mate . My knees start knocking as I walk up County Road . Come on blues these are shite :hail:
BWS, what's wrong with you?
That's just unnecessary.
*sorry if this was ages ago, everyone; I'm just catching up
Love this.
Lizz has been nipping at me for a long time now, I've bitten back and all of a sudden she's the victim.
Girl or boy, I couldn't give a monkeys. If someone keeps giving me abuse, one day you'll get a reaction.
Basically, despite all the abuse I've received, I've given people a real reason to have a pop at me and tgey've taken full advantage of it. Was anything said about the initial abuse - no.
Just drop it mate. Lets draw a line under all this and get back to the topic.
Love this.
Lizz has been nipping at me for a long time now, I've bitten back and all of a sudden she's the victim.
Girl or boy, I couldn't give a monkeys. If someone keeps giving me abuse, one day you'll get a reaction.
Basically, despite all the abuse I've received, I've given people a real reason to have a pop at me and tgey've taken full advantage of it. Was anything said about the initial abuse - no.
Wind it in BWS. I've always supported you in the past mate but your behaviour has been a bit embarrasing in this thread
When you joined this site you should have been fully aware that we support Everton and dont take well to opposition fans coming on here trying to wind us up.
In the past it was refreshing to hear from you as you seemed to have a bit of a soft spot for us, apart from when we play against you obviously. And also I appreciated your views, despite the blip when you defended the undefendable actions of Luis Suarez.
I'd like you to return to form of old to be honest mate, wipe the slate clean and join us for more friendly banter tomorrow!
I'm not saying everyone has been totally welcoming to you or anything but you have to understand if there is animosity in your replies that people will take offence to it
Hope you manage to turn things around mate
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2511738/Watch-video-mystery-Anfield-rap-backs-Liverpool-win-Merseyside-derby-hes-better-John-Barnes.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2511738/Watch-video-mystery-Anfield-rap-backs-Liverpool-win-Merseyside-derby-hes-better-John-Barnes.html)
:bonk:
It would definitely be a bonus to us if one if them fails to start. Saying that i think the international games have been over played in importance and expect both teams at full strength.
Fuck Big wooden Spoon.
Good piece on the BBC website from Kevin Kilbane.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25020677 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25020677)
It may be my biased nature but I think he's doing really well as a pundit/media commentator.
Fuck Big wooden Spoon.
Almost 2/1 to win tomorrow.
Paddy Power have a special offer for new customers 7/1 Everton to winfucking hell
Paddy Power have a special offer for new customers 7/1 Everton to win
Nerves setting in now.
Had nervous twinges all week.didn't wanna talk about or think about it but it's took over know. My lfc mates are all very confident sturridge and Suarez far too good apparently
Had stomach churning pretty much all day.
Listening to TalkSport before and they had a Liverpool fan on (Thick welsh accent! thought they all supported us?) and he reckoned 4-0 Suarez Hattrick. Most of them went for Liverpool win or draw.be great when we beat em then
Seems everybody is writing us off because they've been brilliant and we are unconvincing as shown by that monstrous 3 point gap.
Listening to TalkSport before and they had a Liverpool fan on (Thick welsh accent! thought they all supported us?) and he reckoned 4-0 Suarez Hattrick. Most of them went for Liverpool win or draw.
Seems everybody is writing us off because they've been brilliant and we are unconvincing as shown by that monstrous 3 point gap.
What they have to do is to do what Spurs did to us.but create chances
but create chances
there is! lolmaybe, Suarez creates chances outta nothing
Less emocons or watever they're called. :(
Gotta fucking love tapatalk
Use the mobi site Jim, tapatalk has been balls for agesstruggle with that on this phone mate
Yeah, you should shoot over to JKF airport.
I'm not really sure why people are nervous, I know it's a derby but barring them absolutely twatting us we can't really lose in the long run.
To get there on time, you'll certainly need to fLee.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24969016 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24969016)
Brendan Rogers face in that picture is amazing.
Listening to TalkSport before and they had a Liverpool fan on (Thick welsh accent! thought they all supported us?) and he reckoned 4-0 Suarez Hattrick. Most of them went for Liverpool win or draw.
Seems everybody is writing us off because they've been brilliant and we are unconvincing as shown by that monstrous 3 point gap.
I heard that, I was more pissed off with H & J basically saying we've been shite bar a couple of matches and they're not impressed with us. Wouldn't we go third if we best these? Shite indeed.
2nd with a 4-0 win.
We are well overdue a thrashing of them. I've never seen us win 4-0 against them.
1964 I think was the last time.
The AJ game is the only 3 goal margin in that time too.
Um, no.
Any loss short term, long term, enternity term and we've still lost.
What I basically meant was that we had a shit record against them under Moyes anyway so as long as Martinez doesn't lose 4-0 then were likely to have a better record against them in the future.
I dare say we've been thinking like that since about 1970!
We done alright in the 90's, especially later on in the decade. They didn't beat us much.
That's just so wrong.
Done the double over them in 84-85 blarg,two 1-0 wins
http://www.evertonresults.com/derbyscores.htm (http://www.evertonresults.com/derbyscores.htm)
I meant wrong as in we've hardly thrashed them, not as in factual terms. Poor choice of word, should have used sad.
2-1 win with Lukaku first goalscorer is 33-1 :O
Didn't beat us once when Joe Royle was manager. Still never managed the double over them though.
The closest I've seen us do the double over them was when we played them in the first division winning one and losing one, and then beating them at Anfield in the Littlewoods Cup and then losing at home in the FA Cup.
According to twitter the club have put 'things' on the seats for tomorrow...probably a mosaic. I hope it's nothing cringeworthy.
According to twitter the club have put 'things' on the seats for tomorrow...probably a mosaic. I hope it's nothing cringeworthy.
BWS i think the word abuse is thrown around a little too freely here...You had a bit of a meltdown and ive thought you had lost it for a while now, what with the Suarez shit. Like others have said, this is an Everton forum so of course 'we' wont take kindly to threads started about us giving us shit, and of course we will give Lpool shit!! Just like you lot do on your forums.
Anyway, its over now, lets focus on the game, i doubt we will ever be best buddies but clean slate?
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Please don't be plastic flags.
potatoes with razor blades stuck in the skin to throw?
According to twitter the club have put 'things' on the seats for tomorrow...probably a mosaic. I hope it's nothing cringeworthy.
It's a mosiac of BWS holding up a big fuck off courgette.
*Sorry Lizz. Courgettegate reigns on.
I'm finding all this courgette forgiveness hard to swallow, it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth*
*. I know this because I'm on the receiving end of a 20 man bukakke every Thursday night...I love it.
Fixed!
I am genuinely impressed by people going to this game, or watching it on TV, who are of the firm belief that we will get a result. I cannot comvince myself. Maybe it's years of being sickened but I cannot bring myself to even watch this game on TV. Really hope I'm wrongnot gonna watch at all?
I am genuinely impressed by people going to this game,
Really hope I'm wrong
I am genuinely impressed by people going to this game, or watching it on TV, who are of the firm belief that we will get a result. I cannot comvince myself. Maybe it's years of being sickened but I cannot bring myself to even watch this game on TV. Really hope I'm wrong
I am genuinely impressed by people going to this game, or watching it on TV, who are of the firm belief that we will get a result. I cannot comvince myself. Maybe it's years of being sickened but I cannot bring myself to even watch this game on TV. Really hope I'm wrong
The thread is already longer than last season's fixture and currently the third longest this season! (Stevenage 45 and Spurs 51)
I am genuinely impressed by people who are of the firm belief that we will get a result. I cannot bring myself to admit I love Liverpool F.C. and I am in fact Bigwoodenspoon. Maybe it's years of being sick, but I cannot bring myself to even buy a TV. Really hope I die soon.
The thread is already longer than last season's fixture and currently the third longest this season! (Stevenage 45 and Spurs 51)
I wont be on here during or after the match thankfully
I wont be on here during or after the match thankfully
Can you take Steve81 with you?
I'm so confident I've set Sky Plus to record it so I can watch it all over again when I get home
You going out Jimmy? You kept that quiet. ;)I like you to know gash
Can you take Steve81 with you?no, not ever
The word abuse was used because that is what it was, abuse. Let's call a spade a spade hey and not dress it up as something it isn't. And as for the Suarez thing, I was giving an opposing view and I stick by the points I made.
But yeah, lets talk football and let's wipe the slate clean.
I am genuinely impressed by people going to this game, or watching it on TV, who are of the firm belief that we will get a result. I cannot comvince myself. Maybe it's years of being sickened but I cannot bring myself to even watch this game on TV. Really hope I'm wrong
Get a grip lad
As long as we start the game like we did last season, what a blast that was. :eh:
That was, well, gash. My lads first derby and I thought we were gonna get arse raped after the first 20/25 minutes. Only for Ossie and Naisy to step up before half time. Then of course they were "robbed", which made it all the more enjoyable.
Sharpattack I feel the same but if you don't watch it you'll regret it if we do something amazingA small price to pay
Just a thought on that mosaic, it could be a Dave Hickson tribute being he played for both clubs?
A small price to paythe heartache and indignation is part of being an everton supporter
Not sure about the midfield!
Strange one. I'd say most Everton fans think our midfield is better but most Liverpool fans would say theres is better
One thing is for certain: Jordan Henderson isn't in the top 300
I think we will win this one. I think our entire team ahead of the defence(except pienaar and Osman who might not start) and have never lost a match to Liverpool while representing Everton, plus we have a new manager. So the mindset of the team will be very different from previous games and we will go to win. This will be a huge plus for us just need the supporters to do the same and we'll tear them a new one.
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It's well seen Sky don't have the game. They're giving the Yorkshire derby more coverage the Merseyside derby.
When BT have all the champions league matches I expect the capital one cup will take a huge step up in significance
This Tim Lovejoy show on Bt Sport before the derby is unvelievably bad
Considering just finding a stream from the US with Warren Barton commentating instead for the match
The Merseyside Derby is special. Liverpool and Everton are like brothers. They can fight as much as they want amongst themselves, but when it comes to someone knocking the city, they are united.
The people of Liverpool have shown solidarity through so many difficulties. Hillsborough, the politicians who have tried to destroyed the city, the war, the social problems – any time someone attacks the city, they’ve stood together and that’s why to me, it’s the greatest football city in the world and this is the best derby of them all.
They’ve stood shoulder to shoulder on everything. Blue and red standing together. They stick together like nothing I’ve ever seen. They go to the game together, they take it in the right spirit and they don’t always go home together and they sometimes have a fight, but it’s not hatred. There’s genuine camaraderie. The opposing fans in Manchester, Glasgow, Sunderland and Newcastle don’t seem to get along well, but in Liverpool they do. Come derby time the banter kicks off and it’s a nightmare if you’ve to go into work on a Monday when your team’s lost the derby, it’s horrendous.
It’s Local Property
It’s become a derby for the fans rather than the players. At most we’ll see three or four Scousers play. You need local lads in the dressing room reminding everyone how important it is. Now there’s not even that many British lads, let alone Scousers who know what it means to both clubs. When you’re not brought up in it, it’s hard to get as passionate about it. They want to win it like they do any other game, but they’re not as aware of what it’s like in the city. For them it ends at around 3pm on Saturday, but for the fans it’ll run for the entire week and beyond. That’s the intensity the players need to understand. As a fan, every time you get a bit of stick, it’s like a little dagger being stuck into your body. That’s how much it hurts and it takes a long time to heal.
I used to be embarrassed walking around Liverpool after losing a derby. You could feel everyone’s eyes burning into you thinking ‘you should have done better, you should have won that.’ I knew how much it meant to the fans and it was hard to live with the disappointment of letting them down in the aftermath.
One of my first derbies was when we got beaten 5-0 at home in 1982. That was one of the worst derbies in was involved in. It got me sent out on loan to Port Vale and ended Glenn Keeley’s career at Everton after half an hour. I played in an awful lot of them and the charm is you never know what’s coming. I also learned pretty quickly that there’s no point shouting at your defence because nobody can hear you it was that loud. It was proper British football and the manager used to tell you to get the first tackle in. It didn’t really matter if you got the ball because it was a derby and you weren’t going to get booked, at least not first up. That doesn’t really happen anymore and the intensity of the crowd has dropped over the years.
There were some good ones. Whenever we won was great, but the 4-4 draw in the 1991 FA Cup fifth round was fantastic. You always want to win, but if you can’t, you hope that football wins and on that night it won. Eight goals and none of them a bad one. The only sour note afterwards was Kenny Dalglish resigned and the city lost someone they shouldn’t have lost at the time. He took so much on his shoulders that the whole city, not just Liverpool Football Club, owe him a huge debt of gratitude.
I fully understand why he did it though because the hardest Merseyside Derby of them all was the one after Hillsborough, the FA Cup Final. That was really, really difficult. We were in a no win situation. It shouldn’t have been played. I’d have rather given up the cup or postponed it into next season because morally it didn’t feel right. When the game started, we wanted to win, but it was difficult for all of us to play in. Even our fans saw the bigger picture. They wanted to win, but they all knew the more important question was ‘how does the city get over it?’. That’s the solidarity of the city.
I remember being on the team bus coming home after beating Norwich at Villa Park the same day. We got to The Rocket, a big pub on the M62 where the fans met before going to away games and we saw the Liverpool fans and knew something wasn’t right. To this day I don’t exactly know how we got that far without being told what had happened, but it was before mobile phones and instant news so I suppose it was easier done than we can imagine now. We were chuffed to bits to be in the final, but once we knew what was going on we were devastated. Football suddenly became nothing. It was such an eerie feeling.
More than a passing interest
This season, there’s similarities between the teams and it should make for an open game at Goodison Park. Both teams are playing some lovely football, passing the ball around. We’ve got Lukaku as our target up front and Liverpool have Suarez and Sturridge. I’m expecting one of the best derbies I’ve seen in a long, long time. It may not provide the excitement of others, but both teams play the right way, like to attack and the styles of both managers should make it a cracking game to watch.
Luis Suarez is key. He’s just one of those players who can create a moment of magic. It’s brilliant to watch. A lot will depend on how he feels after coming back from international duty in Uruguay. In this fixture last year, he was brilliant. He was aggressive, he was fouling people, he worked hard and he was getting in people’s faces. I can remember thinking ‘he’s bossing our central defenders. He’s pushing them around, kicking them. It’s not meant to be that way. You should be kicking him!’ He dominated our centre halves and that’s not right.
With characters like Suarez, you can handle it one of two ways. You can either clear him out the first time he misbehaves and draw the line there or you live with him. If I was in the same team, I’d be prepared to live with him. You can’t ignore he’s done some bad things, but he makes up for it with his performances. He plays on the edge and at times he just gets carried away with it. When he bit Ivanovic, you could tell it was a spur of the moment thing because he picked on the biggest player on the pitch. There’s no thought behind that. If you’re going bite anyone – and I don’t recommend that anyone those – pick somebody small! Some players just need to have that little bit of devilment to their game and the bottom line is you’d rather play with him than against him.
But he got it all wrong by looking for a transfer. The club showed so much support and he basically kicked them in the bollocks. To his credit, he hasn’t said much since, he has knuckled down and he’s been great since he came back. He’s realised he’s in a great city, playing for one of the best clubs in the world and life is pretty good right now.
Everton need to make it a Red letter day
It’s more important for Everton to win than it is Liverpool. Our record hasn’t been good in recent years and it’s because David Moyes went out with a defensive mindset to avoid defeat. We could have won a lot more of those derbies if he had been more willing to go for it. Roberto Martinez has a completely different attitude to Moyes and it gives Everton a great chance of winning. Moyes wasn’t confident and that fed through to the fans.
If Everton are to win, they need to make it a bit old school. We know Liverpool can pass, but can they pass with players in their faces and under physical pressure? The fans want to see that aggression and barring an Everton scoring a goal, the loudest cheer of the game will be the first time one of our players crunches into a Liverpool player. I’d say there’ll be a red card.
Romelu Lukaku will be very important. Liverpool are still vulnerable in the air and he can exploit that. He’s already got a couple of goals against them for West Brom and they’re just one of the teams that suit his strengths.
Nev’s bets
Lukaku to score first and Everton to win 2-1 – 33/1
Baines to score at anytime – 5/1
Ha haa. That's the first time I've turned over to BT sport since I got it last week. To be greeted by that twat has got me off to a bad start.
Barkley in for Osman is only change
Flanagan left back. Fucking hell, he goes to envi.
It will probably be Johnson left back, Flanagan right back
It will probably be Johnson left back, Flanagan right back
Our wings should rip him to shit no matter which side he's on.
It's just a case of keeping Suarez quiet, he wins games for them on his own sometimes.
Interesting one from Brenda that. I presume it's some variation of the 4-5-1/4-2-3-1.
Maybe....
Mignolet
Flanagan Skrtel Agger Johnson
Lucas Allen/Gerrard
Henderson Gerrard/Allen Coutinho
Suarez
Looks like a false 11 to me that. Somethings not right. Its too quiet.......
The things on the seats is just a blue bit of paper
It's an odd one. It looks like Brenda is shitting it about losing the battle for possession in the middle so he's thrown Allen in from nowhere, but he seems to have made their wings a lot weaker. I do actually think Johnson has played better at left back, than right back when I've seen him play there.
Henderson playing up alongside Coutniho and Suarez according to NBC.
Full of full kit wankers here in the ale house
Does that mean Gerrard's playing quarterback?
Let's bear in mind that American TV often makes up it's own formations. They often had Felli playing up front for us, when he was in defensive midfield and it took them an entire half to realise they were wrong.
This All seems a little too easy...
Everton double, Martinez wife gave birth yesterday and a derby win today.
Let's bear in mind that American TV often makes up it's own formations. They often had Felli playing up front for us, when he was in defensive midfield and it took them an entire half to realise they were wrong.
I would take our third 0-0 in a row, RIGHT NOW.Fuck that.
Fuck that.
Hope the kid doesn't mind being called Lukaku.
Fuck that.
I'm always completely miserable for these, apologies. Why does our bogey team have to be our city rival?
Hopefully the kid doesn't look like Lukaku, and is vaguely Mediterranean looking. Don't want RM distracted on his big day.
howard's upside down head should help confuse the bastards!
"Been up since 6am waiting for this game. Great to see Ross Barkley starting. Will be good to see him dominate Joe Allen in midfield." Tim Cahill
Come on Cutty...channel some fucking positive vibes lad. There'll be plenty of time for misery if it goes against us.
I hate playing these.
I hate playing these.Indeed...
I hate playing these.
Suarez fucked.
About time we did that to their players.We have a few not to old challenges to repay....
Lukaku has been poor so far.
Our defense has been good so far. Neither of the goals were defensive mistakes.
Our defense has been good so far. Neither of the goals were defensive mistakes.
I just once want to beat Liverpool without some controversy, if we win now it'll all be about Mirallas ffs
We've been much better than them....so I'm still encouraged that we'll come back.
PS I'm going to hunt Jim Beglin down and torture him over a prolonged period. Just as an aside.
.....except the first one.
And the wall wasn't right for the free kick, so the second one too.
I know what you mean, but I think there will be more controversy to overshadow it in this game
Barkley faded last 15 minutes.
After ten minutes of the second half is be tempted to bring on Deulofeu for Lukaku and put Mirallas through the middle.
Attacking the Gwladys second half aswell, COYB.
It's irrelevant mate you know what they're like, if Gerrard and Suarez break two of our players legs it'll all be "Yeah but if Mirallas was off at that point"
Exactly Cozzie, exactly. Let's hope this is the game where Mirallas should've been sent off, and then we storm back in the second half and grab the game. COYB.
I'm surprised how little we've gone down the right given that should really be their weakness, Coleman and Mirallas has been pretty quiet down that side. FLanagan's actually looked ok when he has to do anything, but we really should be exploiting him more.
If we keep 11 players on we'll win this
Interesting RM. Interesting.
What the fuck are they chatting about with Mirallas?
Deulofeu?Well if you want to win games ;)
What?
Deulofeu putting us in danger there.
he's looking like a waste of a sub at the mo :(
It always hurts to be losing the derby, but this one more than most. We've been so much the better team.12 attempts 3
What a header from Distin there.
RM knew we were going to score. That's why he prepped john stones!
great game, but why oh fucking why couldn't we hold on :(
It's the lawCorrect
We were so much better than them. Don't know who to blame for the goals. Any ideas?
As usual... The fucking redshite get a lot more out of the deby than the deserve!
Lads we played brilliantly, enjoy the outstanding game you just witnessed. Times are changing under Martinez.
I see what people are saying, because it was topsy turvy, but I don't think a draw was remotely a fair result.
So many gilt edged chances for us in the 2nd half. Could've easily won that 4-2.
Proud of the boys, but still hurting a bit because we were better than them. We just lost our heads a bit near the end. The FK Distin gave away for their equaliser was terrible.
Drained.Great summary
I know people may have a go at deulofeu, and yeah he should look up more, but he was having a real go at them and we aren't blessed with many players on the bench who can go past opponents. He has a lot to learn, but he played ok.
Just wished he and Lukaku had put away one more of the 6 odd big chances they had.
Didn't notice gerrard moved ball forward 5 metres before taking free kick.
Wondered why Howard was going mental at the linesman.
Fantastic game! What can you say?
We had the games outstanding player in Barkley, their keeper did well enough, ours cold have done better with the wall(although it was a great free kick). Martinez was very positive when Baines went off, Barca boy needs more composure, as does Lukaku
Beglin thought that was funny.
It's a real kick in the cunt to draw after coming from behind twice to be leading the game. But there were loads of positives from the performance today:
Barkley repaid the faith showed in him by RM in his first derby. Great performance from him.
Deulofeu looked good and made their defence panic. Looks to be a useful option.
Lukaku back to scoring ways after looking out of sorts the last few games. Looked like an Everton player when he scored the 3rd.
And we created a hatfull of chances, with Mignolet making 5 or 6 great saves. Thought we defended well in open play too (let's not mention the set pieces though).
Onwards and upwards.
Barkley failed to pick up Sturridge
Was wondering if it should have been him tracking Coutinho for the first too.
What a fucking derby that was, absolutely nerve shredding from start to finish. Thought we had the better of the game but Gerrard's set plays were deadly and Mignolet's saves from Lukaku and Deulofeu in reality kept them in it. I just hope the game will be the focus of the post match reaction and not the sending off that wasn't. Still unbeaten at home in 2013 (league) with only 4 home games left of this year to play, all winnable.
Rodgers playing the "if Suarez made that tackle" card. Well he'd have got away with it like always.
Even though Delefeou frustrated me, its nice to see Baines go off and see an attacking player come on, Martinez goes for games, Moyes never and that in itself is exciting.
I only managed to catch the last 25 minutes of the game on the TV when we were still 2-1 down. Certainly an excellent game from a neutral's perspective and while I do feel slightly disappointed we couldn't win the game, it seemed the game was wide open especially at the end so a draw is a fair result. Of course we had some golden opportunities to score even more but I guess there is a reason why Liverpool paid £10m or so for their goalkeeper.
At least Mirallas finally managed to score and Lukaku was a lot more effective than in our last couple of games. I think Martinez got the tactics right but I'm not sure about the personnel for the last 2 subsitutions - I think Naismith rather than Osman should have come on for Pienaar and it was a bit of a gamble putting Stones on instead of the more experienced Heitinga. We would have probably defended better with those two players on.
Haha go ead Austin Healy!
Although unfortunately the result was exactly the same.
Deulofeu is not up for games like this mentally yet. He'll be better for this experience though and maybe next time he'll show a bit of composure.
Even though Delefeou frustrated me, its nice to see Baines go off and see an attacking player come on, Martinez goes for games, Moyes never and that in itself is exciting.
Although unfortunately the result was exactly the same.
Deulofeu is not up for games like this mentally yet. He'll be better for this experience though and maybe next time he'll show a bit of composure.
Rodgers playing the "if Suarez made that tackle" card. Well he'd have got away with it like always.
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I can't put up a poll for some reason.
He also brought on a defender for an attacking player when time was nearly up and we where in front
I can't put up a poll for some reason.
My God, what a farcical anus that git is.
I know we will always be hyper sensitive to whatever their managers say, but they really do employ some absolute whoppers.
It's probably their arrogant ethos that infects most that walk in there.
How he can say that after Suarez got away with those disgraceful challenges on Mirallas and Distin last season is beyond me.
He changed from two cbs to three to provide a spare man against their dangerous partnership. An eminently sensible tactical change and qualitatively different from Moyes' "let's throw on another defensive body and hang on for dear life" routine I would say
He also brought on a defender for an attacking player when time was nearly up and we where in front
let's not talk about that now though
It seemed that way today.
While he is no doubt an exciting prospect, he gave the ball away far to many times when he came on for a game of this magnitude.
But what does fill me with confidence is Martinez' willingness to change the game in an attacking sense, and as you could see it very nearly worked.
I have no doubt in my mind if Moyes was still in charge we would have bottled it.
When we scored the third I though RM would cancel or change the Stones sub. Deffo Naismith instead of Osman for me as well.
"We again showed our resilience and ability to fight back. This is a difficult place to come and they haven't lost at Goodison Park this year.
"We should have gone 3-1 and that would have killed the game. After that we couldn't keep ball. I'm disappointed with defending from the corner (from which Romelu Lukaku scored) and we have to be stronger. All-in-all a wonderful game and when you come to your rivals it is important not to lose." FA
I actually think that was the right decision at that point: they'd just switched to two strikers up top, so a 3 man back line was a sensible choice.[/b]
But yeah, it somewhat dents the "Roberto always goes for it" myth. I don't care though, because I think always going for it is a stupid thing anyway.
I think it was always Martinez's intention to put on a 3rd central defender as he was reacting to Liverpool's substitution which saw Sturridge coming on for them and with Suarez - Sturridge - Moses - Coutinho all on the field at the same time then I think Martinez was right to bring on a defender and Liverpool often looked very vulnerable on the counter attack so it wasn't like we were sacrificing our attacking intent.
To be honest I was expecting them to score every set piece.
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He was lucky to not see red for that.
It's not nice to see that.
Even though it's on he who often dishes it out, it doesn't make it right.
I love it, he's the one player in the world who deserves a major injury.
Their fans have incredibly short memories.
A dish best served cold though
Oh, I totally agree, but it just means we lose the moral high ground.
Mind you, when has that ever done us any good!
yep, and in January they'll hate him when he jibs them
I hope he goes to United.
Are you actually trying to say there's a difference? lolol
Feel robbed
best derby since the 4-4 for me.
Of course there is a difference. 3 at the back is an established system employed to counter two strikers: it is based on the principle that you have two man markers, and a spare man. It also allows you to maintain 5 in midfield (against four usually), and thus control of the game. Martinez switched to this system because it is one he has used extensively and the circumstances called for it: they brought on another dangerous striker and we could adapt to that without losing 5 in the middle.
On the other hand Moyes would bring on another CB often for our lone striker, with the team losing any shape and tactical coherence as a result. He would also do it late on whenever the game was against us, regardless of the quality or quantity of the strikers at the disposal of the opposition, Fulham and Norwich spring to mind.
Context is everything. One is tactical modification to a system with a long tradition which is designed to offer an advantage against two striker systems and the other is based on the fallacious logic that "more defenders equals less goals against", which is just as wrong-headed as "more strikers equals more goals scored". There is a clear difference.
That's too funny!that was a clear red but saurez deserves all shit that comes his way.....disgusting effort of a human and hope the dirty animal snaps both his legs and never plays again....harsh, who gives a fuck
So Baines has to go off injured thanks to a challenge but Sewerez carried on all game, so which is the worse challenge ...
Ones "a long tradition designed to offer advantage against two strikers" and the others "more defends equal less goals"
Don't take this to personal but are you pissed, you've talked yourself into a u turn.
RAWK making out that they were robbed.
No I haven't mate. Firstly it advantages you against two strikers because a) you have 3 on 2 but also b) you have 5 in midfield against 4. It's not simply a case of it's suitable because you have more defenders than the opposition has strikers, that's only part of it. Secondly, as I said, context is everything. They have two strikers, two very good strikers and they had sacrificed a midfielder (their most defensively diligent midfielder) to ensure this. In those circumstances it makes sense to try and account for the front players without sacrificing midfield control and attacking threat. 3-5-2 allows you to do this. Moyes would switch to 5-5-0, often against second-rate strikers upfront on their own simply because he did not know how to instil in the players the ability to kill the game with possession.
Can you not see the difference between Martinez seeing Sturridge come on and Lucas go off while we're in a winning position and switching to 3-5-2, and Moyes seeing Kei Camara come on for Norwich while we're in a winning position and switching to 5-5-0? Ultimately 3-5-2 is a real system which numerous teams have had success with, the same cannot be said for 5-5-0, which as far as I know is not employed with any great success by any team at a high level. To focus solely on the fact that an additional CB has come while ignoring the contextual information is silly.
'Fuck off Dowd and fuck off Mirallis you bitter fucking shithouse.'Ha ha they have spent all that money and are still not the best team on merseyside.
Blaming Allen for the loss as well. I say loss as that's how most are taking it over there the poor fuckers. Right, off for a bevvy and a giggle at the full kit brigade. NSNO lads & lasses.......
Nice to see us being dirty bastards.
Nice to see us being dirty bastards.
The way we played against them today without fear, without our heads going down and without resorting to belting the ball forward in desperation gave me so much hope for the future under Martinez. We played like a team who thought they were better than the opposition. It actually feels like we won today for me.Totally agree, I loved the really positive attitude today, we went at them as if they were just any other team, the 1st Derby in a good while when at no time did we look scared of them.
I've always thought you liked a dirty man really
Absolutely superb derby. Back to the old ways. You can argue that we could of won it, you can have argued you guys should have won it.
Superb!
Has the gremlin left your body, BWS?
It has been exorcised! ;-)
It was a marrow game that's for sure.
Decent first match to attend :) felt a bit robbed and our defending fron set pieces was abysmal but not sure I could ask for much more for my first match at Goodison Park.
. It's as simple as that
Decent first match to attend :) felt a bit robbed and our defending fron set pieces was abysmal but not sure I could ask for much more for my first match at Goodison Park.
Aside from the last minute equaliser it would have pretty much been an un-matched experience.
Not often we come from behind against them - no idea when we last won 3-2 either!
Liverpool are fucking shit. That's my pissed up derby day comment...I'll see you all tomorrow.
Oh, I totally agree, but it just means we lose the moral high ground.
Mind you, when has that ever done us any good!
Suarez free kick taken 10 foot further forward than the foul? .. matters not I guess.
All the reds I know cant stop banging on about hoq fantastic the game was...
Lets be honest they were shittin themselves. .. and now they are over the moon...
There is no 'moral high ground', neither set of fans ever accepts they perhaps got a bit of luck.
Decent first match to attend :) felt a bit robbed and our defending fron set pieces was abysmal but not sure I could ask for much more for my first match at Goodison Park.Fuck me mate, "a decent first match to attend..."? It was a fucking amazing game. Id hate to think what you would think about at 2-1 home win against Stoke. Not having a go, at all, just saying that was nearly the best game I've seen at Goodison for a long time; if we'd have scored right at the end...
BS boys. Reds are saying it was a great match because it was. They had as many chances to win it as we did.
BS boys. Reds are saying it was a great match because it was. They had as many chances to win it as we did.
Well said.
Look at it as a neutral and it was a superb derby. I can see why Liverpool fans would be chuffed and Everton fans a little gutted though, last minute equalisers will have that effect.
Both teams had their chances. Although you can argue Everton possibly shaded it.
Well said.
Look at it as a neutral and it was a superb derby. I can see why Liverpool fans would be chuffed and Everton fans a little gutted though, last minute equalisers will have that effect.
Both teams had their chances. Although you can argue Everton possibly shaded it.
Erm
Shots
Everton 17 - 8 Liverpool
Shots on target
Everton12 - 5 Liverpool
Erm just shaded it. .. no thats wrong. Your keeper kept you in it
I was talking about real goal scoring chances, not just how many shots on target they had.
Oh thanks for clarifying that for me. I now know that when bringing on a central defender it is irrelevant which player is sacrificed and that the impact upon team shape and their ability to execute the game plan is non-existent. 3-5-2, 5-5-0, 3-0-7, what's the difference? They all have three centre-backs! It is just that simple!
I think we should agree to disagree because you haven't acknowledged my point that discussion about how many centre backs there are makes no sense without reference to the positions of the seven other outfield players. We're talking past each other.
I was talking about real goal scoring chances, not just how many shots on target they had.
Fuck me mate, "a decent first match to attend..."? It was a fucking amazing game. Id hate to think what you would think about at 2-1 home win against Stoke. Not having a go, at all, just saying that was nearly the best game I've seen at Goodison for a long time; if we'd have scored right at the end...
I was talking about real goal scoring chances, not just how many shots on target they had.So are Bally - that why the danish pundits had Mignolet as a clear MOM. That must have hurt as they before the game was talking about how brilliant Liverpool has been this year - and no one exept former Ipswich man Thomas Gaardsoe was able to praise Everton. That changed after the match - but next time Liverpool or Everton are on the telly it will be back to normal... Everton punching about there weight and Liverpool just one man short of become the best team in the world. Weird as we have been the best team on Merseyside for long
The smiley was to indicate that I know the match was better than decent. Chill.God I envy you. My first at GP was a derby match aswell..... Bakayoko's debut and it ended 0-0 with 90 minutes of dull dull football. Not a goalscoring chance for 90 minutes. This year I've been to GP for the homegame against WBA and away at Crystal Palace..... Guess the score...... Going to the Emirates in december - could you please please join ?
God I envy you. My first at GP was a derby match aswell..... Bakayoko's debut and it ended 0-0 with 90 minutes of dull dull football. Not a goalscoring change for 90 minutes. This year I've been to GP for the homegame against WBA and away at Crystal Palace..... Guess the score...... Going to the Emirates in december - could you please please join ?
Buy my plane ticket and I'll be there ;)I'll see what I can do ;).. I like your bird already :thumbsup:
Even my bird had a great time and she is not much of a sports fan! She said she'd buy a season ticket if we lived in Liverpool.
Also had a great view from the top balcony. When I am done travelling I'll see if I can get some pictures up.
I'll see what I can do ;).. I like your bird already :thumbsup:
Be honest though fella who was your liverpool mom ? Mine like Ballys was your goalie by a country mile.
What like the 3 ir 4 mingolet saved and kept you in the game or the joe allen abomination of a miss and the suarez header
Rodgers said: "Mirallas should have been sent off."
The 40-year-old added: "It would have been interesting had Luis made that challenge. He's just caught him right on the back of his knee and that can end your career. It took Luis 10 or 15 minutes to recover and it was disappointing."
Can't believe he's only forty.
I don't know why he had to compare it to Suarez? He's never been sent off for any of his bad challenges. And Suarez was limping before the tackle anyway. He's right that Mirallas should have been off, other than that he's being a bit dramatic.
God I envy you. My first at GP was a derby match aswell..... Bakayoko's debut and it ended 0-0 with 90 minutes of dull dull football. Not a goalscoring chance for 90 minutes. This year I've been to GP for the homegame against WBA and away at Crystal Palace..... Guess the score...... Going to the Emirates in december - could you please please join ?
Yeah, I would have to say Mignolet.
People talk about us being a two man team, but as I said before he's certainly another reason why we're sitting in 2nd spot.
Brenda's got his knickers in a twist saying that if the rat-faced racist cannibal cunt had done that challenge, he'd have been sent off.Brenda's chatting out of his arse as per usual. Despite his huge catalogue of antics, I don't believe that Freddie Mercury's love child has ever been sent off in the premier league has he? So by what logic dis Brenda come to that conclusion? As usual, he's just being a bad, bad bellend.
Maybe someone should show him a video of his two crippling challenges that put Mirallas out for 3 months last time around...and stayed on the pitch after them.
Rodgers said: "Mirallas should have been sent off."
The 40-year-old added: "It would have been interesting had Luis made that challenge. He's just caught him right on the back of his knee and that can end your career. It took Luis 10 or 15 minutes to recover and it was disappointing."
Why is the back of the knee so bad as his leg could bend, the front I'd say fair enough comment, must have been a blessing for them to have that as a talking point because if we talk about the game we were far the better sideYeah he should have gone, I think the Liverpool physio mouthing off actually saved him.
The ending his career bit though is ridiculous, your far more likely to be seriously injured by having studs raked down your achilles than you are getting kicked in the leg while your in mid air.
I think he's deflecting away attention from another average Liverpool performance.
Can't believe he's only forty.
The smiley was to indicate that I know the match was better than decent. Chill.I wasn't having a go there me old mucka, just thought you were very hard to please as I missed the the significance of the smiley face.
I wasn't having a go there me old mucka, just thought you were very hard to please as I missed the the significance of the smiley face.
You jammy bastard, my first ever league game was the 5 - 0 hammering by Liverpool in the early 80's.
If I worked for everton I'd ban you!
Dunno if anyone has mentioned this in the past 70-odd pages but, what was McCarthy doing so far in our net for Coutinho's goal?
half time i said to my mates " id take a point". the second half i thought we upped the tempo and liverpool coudnt handle us. joe allen could of made it harder for us at 1-3 but when he missed it which i dont know how we were still in the game. if liverpool are meant to be a top 4 team then what the hell are we? anyway martinez is winning over me more and more with our football long may it continue.
half time i said to my mates " id take a point". the second half i thought we upped the tempo and liverpool coudnt handle us. joe allen could of made it harder for us at 1-3 but when he missed it which i dont know how we were still in the game. if liverpool are meant to be a top 4 team then what the hell are we? anyway martinez is winning over me more and more with our football long may it continue.At 2-2 I'd have gladly taken the draw. At 3-3 I was gutted we only got the draw .
I just like a post of Mattys. This thread is officially fucked up!
At 2-2 I'd have gladly taken the draw. At 3-3 I was gutted we only got the draw .
Good game - unlucky not to win but at the same time they could have punished us a couple of times.
On reflection Mirallas was lucky to not see red - that said Rat face went from crying to growing a new leg real quick.