Post by: Bluedylan on March 27, 2016, 06:03:09 AM
I'll start us off with Michael Carrick:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-keen-michael-carrick-summer-7634194
Would you 'av some of that'? Do you think he could still dominate games with his passing (which is still superb), or do we need to stop signing midfielders in their mid 30s in a league that is becoming increasingly physical again, and stop signing Utd cast offs?
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 27, 2016, 06:07:27 AM
Post by: Brownie on March 27, 2016, 06:10:34 AM
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 27, 2016, 06:39:08 AM
Post by: Brownie on March 27, 2016, 06:49:07 AM
So that's Lukaku gone then?
Yeah, but he'll flop and beg to come back to us. We will sign him for less than we paid the first time which will mean we will have actually made money on him, while still having him.
Post by: Ridge on March 27, 2016, 07:26:06 AM
ideally I'd like to see us getting someone with decent experience and reading of the game, but less miles on the clock as well.
But would have no qualms about signing him, solid and clever player.
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 27, 2016, 08:20:25 AM
Yeah, but he'll flop and beg to come back to us. We will sign him for less than we paid the first time which will mean we will have actually made money on him, while still having him.
Thanks matey. I can sleep well now knowing we're destined to win the Champions League.
Post by: Brownie on March 27, 2016, 11:12:26 AM
Thanks matey. I can sleep well now knowing we're destined to win the Champions League.
Always look on the bright side me
Post by: christiffa25 on March 27, 2016, 02:45:38 PM
Hopefully we'll be using money wisely and buying players on their way up rather than players on their way down.
Post by: Cassius on March 27, 2016, 03:18:56 PM
Carrick is finished imo. If we were still in the begging and borrowing era with no money, then beggars can't be choosers and you'd take a risk he can maybe still offer something.
Hopefully we'll be using money wisely and buying players on their way up rather than players on their way down.
99% of people said the same about Barry the years ago.
Although I agree, I don't think he's right for us. We needed more mobility in the middle.
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 27, 2016, 04:09:36 PM
Post by: 74Blue on March 27, 2016, 04:21:29 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on March 27, 2016, 04:23:35 PM
My concern is that the trend in the Prem is moving away from Carrick and that sort of player, so it might be the wrong time to get him.
But I don't see any harm in signing a superb passer of the ball as a squad player for certain games and situations.
He would be ideal to put at the base of midfield if you were 2-0 up with 20 minutes to go. He'll retain possession all day long for you.
Post by: Silas on March 27, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
Post by: Gash on March 27, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
Post by: Makis on March 27, 2016, 04:40:39 PM
Post by: Lxxx on March 27, 2016, 04:50:58 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on March 27, 2016, 04:55:03 PM
But as a squad player, a great passer and a winner, on a free, I think it would be a smart signing.
Just cos we've now got plenty of money doesn't mean we should sack off clever little signings.
Post by: Makis on March 27, 2016, 05:03:31 PM
We still have Barry, Barkley, McCarthy, Besic and Cleverley even when Gibson and Osman leave. And it would be nice if one of the youngsters got some playing time as well. Do we really want to add TWO central midfielders more? Because that's what you are saying, unless you think our current lot + Carrick would be sufficient.
Post by: Bluedylan on March 27, 2016, 05:06:58 PM
United are apparently willing to sell Schneiderlin, rather go for him.
We still have Barry, Barkley, McCarthy, Besic and Cleverley even when Gibson and Osman leave. And it would be nice if one of the youngsters got some playing time as well. Do we really want to add TWO central midfielders more? Because that's what you are saying, unless you think our current lot + Carrick would be sufficient.
Depends how much money we've got like. I'd just get Carrick as a squad option. I'd sell McCarthy and buy a better version of him, that can do more on the ball.
He's been here for three seasons now, and the development hasn't happened and isn't going to happen (imo). If it was ever gonna happen, it would be under Martinez who values technical training over physical training.
Post by: Makis on March 27, 2016, 05:12:58 PM
Post by: Gash on March 27, 2016, 05:18:23 PM
Just cos we've now got plenty of money doesn't mean we should sack off clever little signings.
Of course not but it also means we don't need to be chasing 35 year old out of contract squad fillers.
Post by: Bluedylan on March 27, 2016, 05:20:28 PM
Of course not but it also means we don't need to be chasing 35 year old out of contract squad fillers.
Yeah point taken. Like I say, he'd be very much a squad option for me, playing occasionally. I wouldn't chase him either. Just offer him a contract, and if he's not arsed, sound.
Post by: Lxxx on March 27, 2016, 05:36:18 PM
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 27, 2016, 06:05:07 PM
In fact you don't need to do that much imagining, just picture Michael Carrick in a blue shirt!
Not that it would be Carricks fault, but he's not the answer to our problems
Post by: Silas on March 27, 2016, 06:07:44 PM
Post by: Ross on March 27, 2016, 06:11:46 PM
Post by: plowman2 on March 27, 2016, 06:13:07 PM
I demand out of respect they make up stories about more expensive, younger and higher quality players!!
Post by: Silas on March 27, 2016, 06:15:19 PM
Post by: Goaljira on March 27, 2016, 06:39:46 PM
If we're going to try something new to get the best out the players who don't leave in the summer then its an emphatic no from me.
Post by: di_guyo on March 27, 2016, 06:40:55 PM
Post by: gwells on March 27, 2016, 06:42:14 PM
Wellzee
Post by: Hawkandro on March 27, 2016, 06:46:55 PM
Not feeling the GK's we have been linked to so far; Cillesen and Heaton. Would hope we would be looking at better to be honest. Hope they are the usual misdirected targets whilst we wrap up a surprise GK.
Post by: Lxxx on March 27, 2016, 07:07:30 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 27, 2016, 07:08:12 PM
We had scouts at the Anderlecht-Shaktar game a few weeks back apparently; looking at Tielemans, Praet and Bernard.
Not having a dig at you but how can anyone other than a very, very select few at Finch Farm know what game our scouts are it and which specific players are being scouted?
Post by: Hawkandro on March 27, 2016, 07:21:44 PM
The Sunday Times have an article today saying City will be putting Kompany, Toure, Nasri, Bony, Mangala and Kolarov on the transfer list in the summer. Think we would be a distinct possibility for Bony if we sold Lukaku. Would love to bring Nasri and Kompany in too, but you have to think they would both be off to a CL team, unless Kompany's injury is worse than feared.
Suppose it all depends how much we have to spend.
Post by: Shogun on March 27, 2016, 07:21:59 PM
I reckon Carrick would be a perfect signing for Spurs to be honest. They have lots of youth, tonnes of energy and not a lot of experience to go with it.
Reminds me of Redknapp signing Saha and Ryan Nelson when they capitulated.
Post by: Hawkandro on March 27, 2016, 07:24:40 PM
Post by: hill135 on March 27, 2016, 07:25:23 PM
Then again I fucking love Football Manager.
Post by: Lxxx on March 27, 2016, 07:31:18 PM
Reminds me of Redknapp signing Saha and Ryan Nelson when they capitulated.
They were two fuckin awful signings because they were two shite players. Carrick isn't in the same league as those two, he could easily do a job as an experienced head in a dressing room and good for a decent amount of games a season as and when needed.
Post by: arteta4spain on March 27, 2016, 07:55:52 PM
There's no assurance that Baines will be fit. Fingers crossed he is but he's one of a few who in a few seasons will need replacing. The turnover in players especially if we have a lot of money to spend could hamper our ambition is we don't gel soon. It's all a waiting game depending how much we spend and who gets to spend it.
Let's look at the first XI:
.......... GK
Most obvious and crucial in getting right, Howard gone and Joel despite getting better isn't a first choice option. We need someone youngish, experienced and the defence have faith in. The hardest and most pressing position to fill.
Coleman ....... Jags Baines
That's the best it CAN be if we can get a decent CB who can partner Jags IF Stones goes. But I can see us having to replace Jags and Baines in a few seasons. As for the here and now it's hard to judge as will Baines be fit? Will Stones go? Do we need to get a new back four as Coleman has not been great this season. Which asks the question. A change of manager might save us money
Del Barkley Barry Besic ......
Pienaar will be gone along with Mirallas if things are to be believed. Gibson won't get a look in. Maybe Ledson or other periphery players will get a chance but we need to have someone again experienced. There's Tarashaj to come back too. For me McCarthy has to go which is why he wasn't included. Replacing him and eventually Barry.
.............
Well this is the big one isn't it. Will Rom be here or not? The rumour mill is that, rumours so nothing concrete and I'd love the press to ask Robertos stance on this. Unfortunately I don't think Roberto has a leg to stand on with Rom. IF he was underperforming and not banging the goals in then we and Roberto would have a case of well, you want champ league you need to prove it but he has backed it up this season and Robertos left with egg on his face.
This XI could be what were left with if Robertos still in charge next season. Stones wanted to go and didn't. But if he's still feeling ostrisied with not playing much hell want to go. Same with Mirallas he'll be off with the limited game time.
Some major rebuilding over the next few seasons. The fans need to see that if we're bankrolled we need to be realistic with how far we can go. I'd aim the same, top four. Title talk would be ludicrous!
Post by: brap2 on March 27, 2016, 08:07:31 PM
Howard, Stones, Pienaar, McGeady, Gibson, Mirallas, Barry maybe, Rom...all potentially out, with jags and baines another year older.
Not to mention barkley and deulofeu who could just as easily be targets like.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 27, 2016, 09:01:25 PM
NSNO and all that.
Post by: Lxxx on March 27, 2016, 09:05:52 PM
Carrick? No, not for me. We should be batting with Utd to get the next Carrick instead of having their cast off.
NSNO and all that.
In your dreams mate. They might having a pretty average run at the minute but they're still in the top 3 clubs in the world and can drop £60m for a young, unproven striker with potential.
Post by: kramer0 on March 27, 2016, 10:37:48 PM
Cristoph Kramer (http://www.hilltop-analytics.com/football/find-me-a-player-like-andres-iniesta/ (http://www.hilltop-analytics.com/football/find-me-a-player-like-andres-iniesta/) > Everton > Gareth Barry)
Etienne Capoue (see: Kramer, harder to sign given his recent move to Watford)
Milan Badelj (a long time favorite of mine)
Marko Vejinovic (http://www.benefoot.net/in-the-mould-of-matic-magic-marko-vejinovic-can-go-a-long-way/ (http://www.benefoot.net/in-the-mould-of-matic-magic-marko-vejinovic-can-go-a-long-way/))
Morgan Schneiderlin (see: Kramer / Capoue, way less likely that those two)
Youri Tielemans is very young and should be in demand (I can see a club like Juventus making a move for him) but he has the profile of a world class midfielder and we'd be foolish not to ask about him.
Post by: Hawkandro on March 27, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
Not really seen Milik play; anyone?
Post by: kramer0 on March 27, 2016, 11:09:26 PM
http://readeverton.com/2016/03/27/got-milik-everton-interested-ajax-hitman/
Not really seen Milik play; anyone?
I've only seen him a little bit but he looks like a big talent. Maybe not Embolo / Batshuayi talented but definitely one to keep an eye on (and the sort of player I like Everton being linked with).
Post by: Danny on March 27, 2016, 11:18:28 PM
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Post by: brap2 on March 28, 2016, 12:08:12 AM
Post by: Hawkandro on March 28, 2016, 12:50:18 AM
Don't follow them myself, was RTd in my timeline. Probably bollocks.
Post by: Bluedylan on March 28, 2016, 01:13:51 AM
Post by: Jay on March 28, 2016, 01:33:50 AM
Post by: Brownie on March 28, 2016, 01:38:59 AM
Post by: 74Blue on March 28, 2016, 01:47:12 AM
I know I'll be slated but would Benteke be worth a punt? I know he plays for the dark side and has done fuck all but e does know where the back of the net is and maybe is just not suited to them.I've actually thought that Benteke is more of an Everton type number 9 than Lukaku. He's decent in the air, but the problem he will always have seems to be his attitude. When he's in the mood, he's decent. When he can't be arsed, you might as well be playing with 10 men. For the right sort of money though, I'd probably take a punt.
Post by: hill135 on March 28, 2016, 01:50:12 AM
I'd love Pellegrini. He's exactly the sort of pro-active, think on your feet kind of manager that would take us forward. He does an incredible amount of work on preparing for the opposition every week, and that's reflected in the numerous different formations and tactics that he comes up with. He leaves no stone unturned. Also, he's very young and dynamic, so he would bring the sort of energy we need to drive us forward as a club.
HIs approach seems to have worked well for him throughout his esteemed career.
Post by: brap2 on March 28, 2016, 01:51:47 AM
I'd love Pellegrini. He's exactly the sort of pro-active, think on your feet kind of manager that would take us forward. He does an incredible amount of work on preparing for the opposition every week, and that's reflected in the numerous different formations and tactics that he comes up with. He leaves no stone unturned. Also, he's very young and dynamic, so he would bring the sort of energy we need to drive us forward as a club.
Is this city's pellegrini? Young and dynamic? Proactive? Changes his formation for the opposition?
Maybe I'm being dense here but I feel like I've never heard anyone speaking about him like that. In fact that sounds like he complete opposite impression I have gotten about him.
Post by: Brownie on March 28, 2016, 01:55:12 AM
Post by: hill135 on March 28, 2016, 01:56:29 AM
Is this city's pellegrini? Young and dynamic? Proactive? Changes his formation for the opposition?
Maybe I'm being dense here but I feel like I've never heard anyone speaking about him like that. In fact that sounds like he complete opposite impression I have gotten about him.
He was being sarcastic.
BD's got it in for Pellegrini.
Post by: Lxxx on March 28, 2016, 02:01:27 AM
I would prefer our search for a new midfielder target someone younger but still in/around his prime. Some names I've thrown out before:Ditch Football Manager for a while mate.
Cristoph Kramer (http://www.hilltop-analytics.com/football/find-me-a-player-like-andres-iniesta/ (http://www.hilltop-analytics.com/football/find-me-a-player-like-andres-iniesta/) > Everton > Gareth Barry)
Etienne Capoue (see: Kramer, harder to sign given his recent move to Watford)
Milan Badelj (a long time favorite of mine)
Marko Vejinovic (http://www.benefoot.net/in-the-mould-of-matic-magic-marko-vejinovic-can-go-a-long-way/ (http://www.benefoot.net/in-the-mould-of-matic-magic-marko-vejinovic-can-go-a-long-way/))
Morgan Schneiderlin (see: Kramer / Capoue, way less likely that those two)
Youri Tielemans is very young and should be in demand (I can see a club like Juventus making a move for him) but he has the profile of a world class midfielder and we'd be foolish not to ask about him.
Post by: Bluedylan on March 28, 2016, 02:03:56 AM
Is this city's pellegrini? Young and dynamic? Proactive? Changes his formation for the opposition?
Maybe I'm being dense here but I feel like I've never heard anyone speaking about him like that. In fact that sounds like he complete opposite impression I have gotten about him.
I just got bored of saying it normally. Lowest form of wit though apparently, so not big nor clever. Probably should've just not said anything, and let others have their opinions.
Post by: Brownie on March 28, 2016, 02:05:48 AM
I just got bored of saying it normally. Lowest form of wit though apparently, so not big nor clever. Probably should've just not said anything, and let others have their opinions.
I thought it was good fella.
Post by: Bluedylan on March 28, 2016, 02:06:16 AM
Ditch Football Manager for a while mate.
It is the transfer speculation thread like. And as hill said, it's bound to get a bit FM in here. Which is fine. Summat else to talk about other than full backs not blocking crosses, or it being Martinez's fault that the coffee served at GP is only lukewarm.
Post by: brap2 on March 28, 2016, 02:12:46 AM
I just got bored of saying it normally. Lowest form of wit though apparently, so not big nor clever. Probably should've just not said anything, and let others have their opinions.
Me being a donkey, no worries.
Post by: Lxxx on March 28, 2016, 02:22:55 AM
It is the transfer speculation thread like. And as hill said, it's bound to get a bit FM in here. Which is fine. Summat else to talk about other than full backs not blocking crosses, or it being Martinez's fault that the coffee served at GP is only lukewarm.
I think you've dropped your handbag.
Post by: Bluedylan on March 28, 2016, 02:24:28 AM
I think you've dropped your handbag.
Impossible. I sew it into whatever dress I'm wearing now to avoid thieves and pickpockets.
Post by: Shogun on March 28, 2016, 03:12:00 AM
If there's any position when you need a proven premier league player then it's goalkeeper.
Post by: plowman2 on March 28, 2016, 03:36:45 AM
I know I'll be slated but would Benteke be worth a punt? I know he plays for the dark side and has done fuck all but e does know where the back of the net is and maybe is just not suited to them.yes please! He'd have something to prove to the RS as added motivation.
Post by: benny on March 28, 2016, 03:57:02 AM
I know I'll be slated but would Benteke be worth a punt? I know he plays for the dark side and has done fuck all but e does know where the back of the net is and maybe is just not suited to them.
:o :Horse:
Post by: Brownie on March 28, 2016, 04:24:42 AM
:o :Horse:
I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the term 'flogging a dead horse". I have only mentioned this once.
Post by: Lxxx on March 28, 2016, 04:30:40 AM
I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the term 'flogging a dead horse". I have only mentioned this once.
Banjo brother.
Post by: Macca77 on March 28, 2016, 04:31:17 AM
Post by: Klown-Shoes on March 28, 2016, 04:32:59 AM
Im laughing my head off at the Carrick story, behave your fucking selves, he wouldnt get on our bench!
Had more gametime than darren 'make mine a triple' gibson.
Post by: Brownie on March 28, 2016, 04:45:37 AM
Banjo brother.
I have no idea what that means
Post by: Alanvideo on March 28, 2016, 04:57:55 AM
yes please! He'd have something to prove to the RS as added motivation............If you believe The Star he's their top earner on £140k .
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 28, 2016, 05:44:23 AM
Post by: kramer0 on March 28, 2016, 06:19:02 AM
Ditch Football Manager for a while mate.
I take it this is a bad time for me to suggest that we sign Eder Alvarez Balanta and Carlos Fierro...
Post by: Cozzie on March 28, 2016, 06:20:20 AM
Post by: BlueNoseMike on March 28, 2016, 07:26:02 AM
I don't like the Carrick shouts, or the Heaton ones either. People are assuming this Heaton fella is a young up and comer but he's 30 next month, a year older than Joe Hart!!! Is there anyone who has some decent knowledge on any good youngish keepers who could slot in? I hear good things about German keepers, Rulli at Sociedad is also meant to be a decent prospect. I don't watch much SerieA, but isn't Scuffet also meant to have built up a reputation although he is maybe on the too young side for immediate transition (look at De Gea needing time to adjust)
Also need a player who is as close to a 26 year old Garry Barry as you can get. Again anyone know?
Them 2 positions and keeping Lukaku or finding a top quality replacement are the 3 priorities. CB next in line and again it needs be a player coming into his prime.
After that I'd like to see us make a statement and buy some world class potential, your Embolo's etc
Is it worth mentioning Yarmolenko again? Would be class and again in that age bracket where we don't have many players (26-30). Think that our squad is too imbalanced with players at opposite ends of their careers and we probably need some players that are just about in their prime to provide the experience of the older chaps but also hopefully the energy and legs of the younger ones
Post by: Confucius on March 28, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
Post by: Lxxx on March 28, 2016, 03:23:40 PM
I would get Rooney back and play him midfield. He could be our Gerrard.
A latter day Paul Scholes, the end of career one. Could still do a job in that position though.
Post by: Tinga on March 28, 2016, 03:51:15 PM
I really didn't think this needed it's own thread so I'm putting it here. Would you be happy with Pellegrini in charge?.
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 28, 2016, 04:03:10 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/4c6ioz/everton_to_hold_talks_with_manuel_pellegrini_in/
I really didn't think this needed it's own thread so I'm putting it here. Would you be happy with Pellegrini in charge?.
no.
Post by: plowman2 on March 28, 2016, 04:11:59 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/4c6ioz/everton_to_hold_talks_with_manuel_pellegrini_in/Yes
I really didn't think this needed it's own thread so I'm putting it here. Would you be happy with Pellegrini in charge?.
Post by: Goaljira on March 28, 2016, 04:20:07 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/4c6ioz/everton_to_hold_talks_with_manuel_pellegrini_in/No
I really didn't think this needed it's own thread so I'm putting it here. Would you be happy with Pellegrini in charge?.
Post by: Makis on March 28, 2016, 06:29:37 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/4c6ioz/everton_to_hold_talks_with_manuel_pellegrini_in/Oh yes. Anyone who isn't hasn't got a clue. He turned two poor Spanish sides into CL teams. At Villareal he got them to finish second in La Liga (best ever finish for the club) and they got to semi-finals in CL. He just needs control over transfers as well so he can build the team.
I really didn't think this needed it's own thread so I'm putting it here. Would you be happy with Pellegrini in charge?.
I very, very much doubt we could get a better manager because there aren't many and those guys get picked up by the mega rich. Remember, Pellegrini did so good at Villareal Real Madrid signed him up. Then they basically gave him a very lopsided squad and he had no control over team building. Yet they finished with a new club record points tally. After that stint he took over at Malaga and in his first full season they got a new club record points tally (sound familiar?). In CL they were knocked out in the CL quarter-finals by two stoppage time goals from Dortmund.
And while people look at this season as a failure, City played some breath-taking football under him before that. 102 goals scored, just 37 conceded in 2013-2014. And suddenly he has turned shite, just like Mourinho (must be, since he was sacked, right?).
Post by: TheRam on March 28, 2016, 06:32:18 PM
He's exactly what we need.
Post by: TheRam on March 28, 2016, 06:49:35 PM
Some aren't big names, but players I think would be a welcome addition to our squad.
Matt Ritchie- Always the stand out player when I've seen Bournemouth, technically very good, good vision and has a shoot on sight policy we miss when Mirallas doesn't play.
Adam Smith- Another one from Bournemouth. First noticed him when he changed the game coming on against us and has impressed me ever since. Wouldn't cost much and would provide good competition for Coleman.
Keiran trippier- Been saying this lad is the business for two years and he's been very good for Spurs since making his move. He'd be an upgrade on Coleman and has the best delivery of any full back in the league.
Troy Deeney- Brilliant footballer. Would be perfect foil for Lukaku (should he be here) and a massive upgrade on Kone. Might cost a bit too much, but he's technically very good and a very intelligent footballer.
Embolo- Only watched him a few times but he's got massive potential and should be first choice should Lukaku go.
Laporte- This lad is the best young centre half in the world. Ball playing, string in the air, reads the game very well. May be a bit too ambitious but we've got the money.
Couple of shouts for me there.
Post by: plowman2 on March 28, 2016, 07:34:55 PM
Did nolito get his move to barca?No, and if he did he'd end up playing cup matches as he'd never replace the three forwards they've got now!
He's exactly what we need.
Post by: Bluedylan on March 28, 2016, 08:40:28 PM
Laporte- This lad is the best young centre half in the world. Ball playing, string in the air, reads the game very well. May be a bit too ambitious but we've got the money.
Agree with you about how good he is but he broke his leg a couple of days ago. Pep wants him as well. £35.5m release clause.
Post by: Silas on March 28, 2016, 09:48:26 PM
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Post by: Ross on March 28, 2016, 10:16:37 PM
Mancini rumoured to want a return to the PL. Him or Pellegrini would be good for me.
Never saw Pellegrino play but Mancini certainly could.
I just think they're a bit to old now and are probably better suited to the MLS.
Post by: Goaljira on March 28, 2016, 11:21:09 PM
Never saw Pellegrino play but Mancini certainly could.The main issue I have is City don't seem to adapt well to different games/situations.
I just think they're a bit to old now and are probably better suited to the MLS.
That, and the fact that even with City's pots of gold he's been unable to realise at any point in the last 4 years that he needs to buy a half-decent left back.
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 28, 2016, 11:30:06 PM
He's a bit of a nasty twat though Ive heard!
Post by: Ross on March 28, 2016, 11:30:40 PM
The main issue I have is City don't seem to adapt well to different games/situations.
That, and the fact that even with City's pots of gold he's been unable to realise at any point in the last 4 years that he needs to buy a half-decent left back.
Yeah I agree City's most glaringly obvious weaknesses under Pellegrinos tenure are the mirror imagine of Our obvious weakness under Martinez. If he's been unable to overcome these problems with a limitless budget I can't see how he'll take us on and improve us.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 28, 2016, 11:36:10 PM
Troy Deeney- Brilliant footballer
Nah.
Ross Barkley is a brilliant footballer. Troy Deeney stinks of liverpool flop. Except that Klopp wouldn't sign him because he can spot a baller.
Post by: Bluedylan on March 28, 2016, 11:43:54 PM
Yeah I agree City's most glaringly obvious weaknesses under Pellegrinos tenure are the mirror imagine of Our obvious weakness under Martinez. If he's been unable to overcome these problems with a limitless budget I can't see how he'll take us on and improve us.
His name's Pellegrini.
Post by: Brownie on March 29, 2016, 01:38:34 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on March 29, 2016, 05:37:38 AM
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It is likely to take a bid well in excess of £50m to even get the Toffees to come to the negotiating table – and only then after they have had talks with the 22-year-old over a much improved contract.
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Post by: Omar on March 29, 2016, 09:30:39 AM
then some smart spending.
Post by: Bluedylan on March 29, 2016, 12:10:00 PM
Stones and Lukaku, package deal 150.
then some smart spending.
Or we could keep them both, buy other players to compliment them and get better as a team.
Generally, when you sell your best players, you go backwards.
We won't be in a position to get a striker as good as Rom, no matter how much money we have.
Post by: Juanito on March 29, 2016, 05:11:36 PM
Post by: Danny on March 29, 2016, 05:25:27 PM
Post by: Makis on March 29, 2016, 06:45:29 PM
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Post by: Redartin on March 29, 2016, 07:14:15 PM
Just been linked with Caner Erkin, Turkish International...Left back?! FFS, it's going to be a long fucking summer!
I hate International breaks, you get a different type of shit springing up in the forums.
Post by: Klown-Shoes on March 29, 2016, 07:42:39 PM
I hate International breaks, you get a different type of shit springing up in the forums.
better the devil you know eh?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 29, 2016, 07:46:58 PM
Or we could keep them both, buy other players to compliment them and get better as a team.
Generally, when you sell your best players, you go backwards.
We won't be in a position to get a striker as good as Rom, no matter how much money we have.
I do agree in most cases that teams who sell truly world class players usually end up going backwards, unless they are one of the bigger clubs and can replace them or they have sufficient quality everywhere else that they won't feel the loss as much (i.e Utd selling Ronaldo)
But Everton do seem to benefit when we sell our better players, and we usually get top ££ for them (Rooney, Lescott, Fellaini......)
I think selling Stones would not have a huge impact on us, albeit it would be a shame to lose him. Losing Lukaku would massively hinder us just due to the amount of goals he is involved in. We would have to try and buy a like for like replacement for less money....which would be very difficult, especially when every club will know we have a huge amount to spend and we are not playing European football.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 29, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
Post by: fubarruk on March 30, 2016, 02:04:13 AM
The ' £50M for Rooney ' was always pie in the sky as we couldn't afford to turn down the offer we eventually received, now we can, if Lukaku goes (which I'm 100% convinced he will ) it will be for genuinely massive money, it must be.
I honestly think we'd be looking in the region of £60m, and as hard as would be to replace him, he does have his faults, spent well, that sort of money will still get you a lot of footballer...
It doesn't have to be the end of the world that he goes, I've already resigned myself to it, but still excited at the prospect of a top class replacement.
Post by: kramer0 on March 30, 2016, 02:15:56 AM
Just been linked with Caner Erkin, Turkish International...Left back?! FFS, it's going to be a long fucking summer!
Caner Erkin had an incredible growth curve in FIFA 07.
Links to Anderson, Nilmar, and Rafael Sobis can't be far behind...
Post by: Hawkandro on March 30, 2016, 02:22:45 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on March 30, 2016, 02:23:56 AM
Post by: kramer0 on March 30, 2016, 02:27:47 AM
Erkin in 3.5 star in FM 16, IIRC. The stats that truly matter; FIFA and FM.
I'm now imagining our scouts furiously scouring the world for To Madeira.
He doesn't exist, guys!
Post by: kramer0 on March 30, 2016, 02:38:45 AM
He can play as left attacking mid, defends/presses well, and is a f***ing sorcerer from dead ball situations.
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 30, 2016, 03:12:30 AM
Post by: Brownie on March 30, 2016, 03:21:25 AM
I think we rely on Rom too much, as good as he is. Lineker was prolific but the team suffered as a result as we scored from all areas as well as having Sharpie up front.. I'd consider Benteke. I think we would suit his game better. Just got to job Bobby bullshit first before we spend some serious money..
I've been thinking this. As much as I love the big guy maybe him leaving might help us break away from being too replant on an individual scorer. I'm pretty sure in Martinez' first season we had a wide angle of scorers (might be wrong there though). I don't want him to go but I do want us to have a variety of players who can influence games
Post by: Hawkandro on March 30, 2016, 03:39:42 AM
How much do we reckon Hakan Calhanoglu would cost in today's market?
He can play as left attacking mid, defends/presses well, and is a f***ing sorcerer from dead ball situations.
I do like Calhanoglu. Great player.
Post by: hill135 on March 30, 2016, 05:29:30 AM
Post by: Makis on March 30, 2016, 11:45:33 AM
Post by: Nicco on March 30, 2016, 01:16:41 PM
I'm now imagining our scouts furiously scouring the world for To Madeira.Skalidis for Lukaku!
He doesn't exist, guys!
Post by: GLewis on March 30, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
Mino Raiola allegedly meets with Juventus to discuss his clients they are interested in - including Romelu Lukaku.
He can facilitate a swap with Pogba.
Post by: Lxxx on March 30, 2016, 04:07:40 PM
He can facilitate a swap with Pogba.
Plus £20m.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 30, 2016, 04:33:35 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on March 30, 2016, 04:37:01 PM
I hate this fetish for foreign signings . FIFAs ( the game ) fault .
In fairness, there's generally a lot better value for money to be found abroad because of the cash in the Prem and the English player premium. It's not just 'oh, he's got a sexy name, let's get him'.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 30, 2016, 04:52:26 PM
In fairness, there's generally a lot better value for money to be found abroad because of the cash in the Prem and the English player premium. It's not just 'oh, he's got a sexy name, let's get him'.
Oh . OK then .
Post by: Hawkandro on April 03, 2016, 05:48:24 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-vs-everton-transfer-battle-7675543
Post by: hill135 on April 03, 2016, 05:50:27 AM
The Mirror (.....) reporting we are battling Liverpool for Lacazette.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-vs-everton-transfer-battle-7675543
Finally some juicy rumours.
PLease let it be true!
Post by: Bluedylan on April 03, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on April 03, 2016, 05:59:31 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/657745/Manchester-United-shock-45m-Premier-League-midfielder-Everton-Ross-Barkley-MUFC-News
Post by: ally2 on April 03, 2016, 06:34:38 AM
Post by: kramer0 on April 03, 2016, 07:02:54 AM
I feel very confident saying that he'll be here next September.
Post by: Shogun on April 03, 2016, 07:46:37 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 03, 2016, 03:12:07 PM
Obvious you never know but I doubt Barkley has ever considering playing for anyone but Everton.
Turned down city I believe.
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 03, 2016, 05:43:58 PM
Obvious you never know but I doubt Barkley has ever considering playing for anyone but Everton.
Same
Post by: Redartin on April 03, 2016, 07:46:01 PM
Obviously you never know but I doubt Barkley has ever considered playing for anyone but Everton.I doubt there is such a thing as loyalty in football anymore, there are these two other things nowadays, money and ambition.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 03, 2016, 07:52:01 PM
I'd be very happy to see him at us.
Post by: blargins on April 03, 2016, 08:29:24 PM
I doubt there is such a thing as loyalty in football anymore, there are these two other things nowadays, money and ambition.
I imagine if we're still treading water in a couple of years time, he'd be off.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 03, 2016, 09:06:51 PM
Turned down city I believe.To turn down city he would have had to have had permission to speak to them.......
Post by: kramer0 on April 03, 2016, 09:09:52 PM
Outrageous if that story is true and far from Moyes' finest moment. Rodwell is a nothing player who can't stay fit. We fleeced City on that deal.
And, more importantly, kept Barkley who is an actual good player.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 04, 2016, 01:55:06 AM
Wait -- is this the story about how we tried to offer City Barkley instead of Rodwell?
Outrageous if that story is true and far from Moyes' finest moment. Rodwell is a nothing player who can't stay fit. We fleeced City on that deal.
And, more importantly, kept Barkley who is an actual good player.
I fear that 'good' might just be his best.
Post by: Bluedylan on April 04, 2016, 09:09:21 PM
Obviously, a cup win and an EL place will improve those chances.
But if we don't win the cup, we're basically going to have to resort to either throwing money at players, which means risking signing the wrong kind of personality who wants to join for the wrong reasons, or taken chances on less bankable players and hoping one or two come off.
You see blues talking about trying to sign Ter Stegen, or if City get him, trying to get Joe Hart. Absolute fantasy land.
Post by: hill135 on April 04, 2016, 09:22:56 PM
Imbulla to fuckin' Stoke.
Post by: kramer0 on April 04, 2016, 09:44:50 PM
You know what move I really wished we'd muscled in on if we had the backing at the time?
Imbulla to fuckin' Stoke.
We could have repurposed the Niasse money.
I think Imbula looks talented and a real asset for Stoke. Fortunately, there are a lot of good CM/DMs out there. With the right man in charge, we'll be able to attract at least one of them.
Related Thought: I used to be a firm supporter of his but I'm having a really hard time seeing McCarthy's value at the moment. He passes into pressing traps more than any of our other midfielders. Defensive strategy -- wait for McCarthy to pick up the ball, stand off of him, shade towards his closest options, then pounce and win the ball when he plays his inevitable short pass. Besic can be sloppy but he understands how to create space much better than McCarthy does.
Post by: Hawkandro on April 04, 2016, 09:47:17 PM
Which players that would significantly improve us are going to want to join us this summer, given the absolute shambles of a season we've put together, in addition to last season's dross?
Obviously, a cup win and an EL place will improve those chances.
But if we don't win the cup, we're basically going to have to resort to either throwing money at players, which means risking signing the wrong kind of personality who wants to join for the wrong reasons, or taken chances on less bankable players and hoping one or two come off.
You see blues talking about trying to sign Ter Stegen, or if City get him, trying to get Joe Hart. Absolute fantasy land.
Depends really. If we get a manager with a good reputation and we have more than enough money to spend, you would hope some of the players would be tempted by a 'project'. Certainly not outside the realm of expectation. We know we have money to spend, but I fear RM will be the one holding us back if we keep him.
Post by: Goaljira on April 05, 2016, 07:47:28 PM
We could have repurposed the Niasse money.
I think Imbula looks talented and a real asset for Stoke. Fortunately, there are a lot of good CM/DMs out there. With the right man in charge, we'll be able to attract at least one of them.
Related Thought: I used to be a firm supporter of his but I'm having a really hard time seeing McCarthy's value at the moment. He passes into pressing traps more than any of our other midfielders. Defensive strategy -- wait for McCarthy to pick up the ball, stand off of him, shade towards his closest options, then pounce and win the ball when he plays his inevitable short pass. Besic can be sloppy but he understands how to create space much better than McCarthy does.
I thought the first 30 mins on Sunday was the best he'd played in ages, then he seemed to give up like the rest of them.
Post by: Polledreng on April 05, 2016, 07:55:40 PM
Which players that would significantly improve us are going to want to join us this summer, given the absolute shambles of a season we've put together, in addition to last season's dross?City were hardly setting the World at light, when they started throwing Money around following the arab takeover
Obviously, a cup win and an EL place will improve those chances.
But if we don't win the cup, we're basically going to have to resort to either throwing money at players, which means risking signing the wrong kind of personality who wants to join for the wrong reasons, or taken chances on less bankable players and hoping one or two come off.
You see blues talking about trying to sign Ter Stegen, or if City get him, trying to get Joe Hart. Absolute fantasy land.
Post by: kramer0 on April 05, 2016, 08:08:33 PM
I thought the first 30 mins on Sunday was the best he'd played in ages, then he seemed to give up like the rest of them.
I wonder if he's stagnated under Martinez. This is their seventh year working together and he doesn't seem to be picking up any new ideas. A change in management might help him improve his game.
Post by: Goaljira on April 05, 2016, 09:04:17 PM
I wonder if he's stagnated under Martinez. This is their seventh year working together and he doesn't seem to be picking up any new ideas. A change in management might help him improve his game.
Definitely. He doesn't even seem to have the same engine as he had when he came, which is odd as you'd have thought his fitness training at Wigan would have been the same as here.
Post by: Hawkandro on April 05, 2016, 09:24:27 PM
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 05, 2016, 09:37:38 PM
The majority of the players have regressed under RM though; only really Barkley, Besic, Lukaku and maybe Geri who have improved over the past 2 seasons.
My sense is Barkley is progressing in spite of, and not due to, the manager.
Moyes was a pundit a few weeks back and commented on how he had always thought Barkley would turn into Bryan Robson box to box type midfielder.
Evidently that hasn’t happened and the longer Barkley is being instructed not to bother defending, isn’t at peak fitness, and is playing without the sense of drive/determination that a Gerrard type midfielder would show, the less likely over time it is that Ross will truly fulfil his potential.
This isn’t to say he isn’t already a good player already, he is and I love him. But I do think under a different manager and regime we’d be getting even more out of him.
Post by: Confucius on April 05, 2016, 09:43:06 PM
Barkley/ Stones/Lukaku/Deulofeu/Besic/Oviedo/Galloway/Lennon/Barry/Robles/Mori. The youngsters really have done well with him around and it's all about knocking the manager right now but at least let's stick to the facts.
Post by: Goaljira on April 05, 2016, 09:43:12 PM
My sense is Barkley is progressing in spite of, and not due to, the manager.
Moyes was a pundit a few weeks back and commented on how he had always thought Barkley would turn into Bryan Robson box to box type midfielder.
Evidently that hasn’t happened and the longer Barkley is being instructed not to bother defending, isn’t at peak fitness, and is playing without the sense of drive/determination that a Gerrard type midfielder would show, the less likely over time it is that Ross will truly fulfil his potential.
This isn’t to say he isn’t already a good player already, he is and I love him. But I do think under a different manager and regime we’d be getting even more out of him.
A Pochetino version of Barkley would be immense, which is why I joked last week about sending him on loan to Spurs for pre-season!
Post by: Lxxx on April 05, 2016, 09:50:55 PM
Players who have improved under Martinez:
Barkley/ Stones/Lukaku/Deulofeu/Besic/Oviedo/Galloway/Lennon/Barry/Robles/Mori. The youngsters really have done well with him around and it's all about knocking the manager right now but at least let's stick to the facts.
Take it this post is satire?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 05, 2016, 10:04:17 PM
The majority of the players have regressed under RM though; only really Barkley, Besic, Lukaku and maybe Geri who have improved over the past 2 seasons.
These are the younger players and your'd expect to see more of an improvement.
Post by: kramer0 on April 05, 2016, 10:06:16 PM
Take it this post is satire?
It's his actual opinion about how Martinez is doing with the squad, which he is more than entitled to.
I think he's correct that those players have improved under Martinez but I would argue that, for Stones and Barkley in particular, we're now seeing a case of diminishing returns. Martinez's trust and support helped them grow a lot initially but the areas where they now need to improve -- fitness, positioning, decision making -- are areas where I'm not sure Martinez (or Jones, or Lawrence, or the rest of the first team coaches) can help them.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 05, 2016, 10:07:28 PM
Players who have improved under Martinez:
Barkley/ Stones/Lukaku/Deulofeu/Besic/Oviedo/Galloway/Lennon/Barry/Robles/Mori. The youngsters really have done well with him around and it's all about knocking the manager right now but at least let's stick to the facts.
As someone has said, I think these players have improved because they are good players, not because of anything Martinez has done really, he hasn't done anything specific to really enhance their development.
I would argue that Barkley, Stones and Deulofeu should actually be doing better than they are, people keep making out they are kids...and they are not.
Lukaku we paid £28m for him, everyone knew he would turn in to a good player, I'll grant you that he has improved more than what I thought he would do at the start of the season.
Also Mori was a well established player, he didn't need much help from Martinez other than a hand just settling in.
Post by: Goaljira on April 05, 2016, 10:08:47 PM
Players who have improved under Martinez:
Barkley/ Stones/Lukaku/Deulofeu/Besic/Oviedo/Galloway/Lennon/Barry/Robles/Mori. The youngsters really have done well with him around and it's all about knocking the manager right now but at least let's stick to the facts.
Who there has improved over what was expected of them 3 years ago? Lukaku, possibly. The rest were all highly thought of previously or already established players. I'd go as far as saying that Barkley and Deulofeu haven't met the expectations they carried when they first joined. Geri isn't being helped by having his natural game taken away from him, and Barkley seems to be caught between being developed as a No 8 or No 10 and risks ending up being a jack of all trades rather than the absolute boss he should become.
I also genuinely don't see how you can say Mori has improved this season. He's done well, but he's not got better as the season has gone on. Same for Besic, Oviedo and Robles. Saying Barry has improved is taking the piss.
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 05, 2016, 10:19:13 PM
Lukaku - his game has come on leaps and bounds compared to last year. His first touch, how he uses his strength, his close control – they’ve all improved to a degree that some last season were saying wasn’t possible. Whether it’s Roberto’s direct influence, or the coaching structure he’s put around Romelu, whatever he is doing has clearly worked.
Geri – given the limitations he’s shown in his game before coming to us, the fact that in the first half of the season he was so impactful, to me says Roberto is doing something to get the best out of him where others have failed. The challenge of course is to get him performing at that level consistently as his standards have dropped off a lot since the first third of the season.
Post by: 74Blue on April 05, 2016, 11:51:13 PM
City were hardly setting the World at light, when they started throwing Money around following the arab takeoverSlightly different though. Whilst we might now have a Billionaire businessman on board, there's no guarantee that his pockets will be completely bottomless. The arabs who took over at City went in and immediately spunked £30m on Robinho just as a little statement of intent. I don't see Farhad Moshiri being that kind of guy. I believe him when he says he's prepared to back us, but I think that there will be a ceiling to that financial backing. I also would doubt very much whether he would hand a massive pile of cash to a clown who has taken his new investment backwards in the past two years and blindly trust him to spend it wisely. Just hope that Moshiri has got a surprise up his sleeve in the summer, just as he's telling RM to clear his desk and fuck off!
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2016, 12:02:52 AM
if players play well it's because they good players and should improve, if they don't it's because of the manager.
Post by: sirblue57 on April 06, 2016, 12:09:22 AM
People need to take their blinkers off regarding the manager. he is far from perfect but equally, he is not as terrible as people make out. if we win it's because of good players or luck. if we lose it's because the manager.
if players play well it's because they good players and should improve, if they don't it's because of the manager.
I would say it's you that needs to take the blinkers off, nothing ,and I mean NOTHING, in RMs record indicates he knows,or even wants , how to changes his philosophy. every season bar one, his defence's leak goals. and it's always "fine margins, individual error's" or some other bullshit.
but keep on trolling, it's fun to watch you throw more inane comments in defense of him.
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2016, 12:20:32 AM
I would say it's you that needs to take the blinkers off, nothing ,and I mean NOTHING, in RMs record indicates he knows,or even wants , how to changes his philosophy. every season bar one, his defence's leak goals. and it's always "fine margins, individual error's" or some other bullshit.
but keep on trolling, it's fun to watch you throw more inane comments in defense of him.
So Coleman on Saturday was due to Martinez?
Post by: sirblue57 on April 06, 2016, 12:22:47 AM
So Coleman on Saturday was due to Martinez?
no, are you actually saying that our defence has improved under Martinez?
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2016, 12:29:00 AM
no, are you actually saying that our defence has improved under Martinez?
Of course not but our senior players have really let the side down. This isn't all on Martinez, sure he is to blame but the players have been a huge part of the problem.
My main gripe was his loyalty to the likes of Howard/Coleman etc. Some of the old pros, the moyes brigade have really struggled under Martinez. The younger guys who didn't get a look in have flourished. Our senior players have not been good enough, have not shown leadership in my opinion.
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 06, 2016, 12:33:23 AM
Take it this post is satire?I think on an individual player basis Martinez has helped the youngsters develop.. as a team, he's no idea of how to develop them. He gets lucky now and then.. no more or less. Time for a change.
Post by: sirblue57 on April 06, 2016, 12:33:58 AM
Of course not but our senior players have really let the side down. This isn't all on Martinez, sure he is to blame but the players have been a huge part of the problem.
My main gripe was his loyalty to the likes of Howard/Coleman etc. Some of the old pros, the moyes brigade have really struggled under Martinez. The younger guys who didn't get a look in have flourished. Our senior players have not been good enough, have not shown leadership in my opinion.
so its the players fault? the same players who were much better prior to his arrival? and like his previous clubs whose defensive record got worse, not down to RM? interesting, can you explain your reasoning?
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 06, 2016, 12:36:38 AM
Of course not but our senior players have really let the side down. This isn't all on Martinez, sure he is to blame but the players have been a huge part of the problem.
My main gripe was his loyalty to the likes of Howard/Coleman etc. Some of the old pros, the moyes brigade have really struggled under Martinez. The younger guys who didn't get a look in have flourished. Our senior players have not been good enough, have not shown leadership in my opinion.
Funny you mention Coleman because Martinez 1st season was the best of Colemans career.
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2016, 12:43:18 AM
so its the players fault? the same players who were much better prior to his arrival? and like his previous clubs whose defensive record got worse, not down to RM? interesting, can you explain your reasoning?
Pleased read the first line of the post you quoted and then try again.
Post by: sirblue57 on April 06, 2016, 12:49:27 AM
Pleased read the first line of the post you quoted and then try again.I
I READ it, but these players were very good before RM arrived, and since then have become less effective.
as I have stated, RM has previous, now explain YOUR reasoning. tick tock......
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 06, 2016, 12:49:48 AM
Funny you mention Coleman because Martinez 1st season was the best of Colemans career.
True. But that was before he really started fucking about with tactics and neglecting defence.
Post by: hill135 on April 06, 2016, 12:50:21 AM
Plenty of others to bash / praise the manager in.
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2016, 12:54:26 AM
so its the players fault? the same players who were much better prior to his arrival? and like his previous clubs whose defensive record got worse, not down to RM? interesting, can you explain your reasoning?
As mentioned, our senior players have been horrible. Howard was atrocious and made so many basic errors costing us wins, not even draws. he hardlt y made a save. You can blame Martinez for not dropping him sooner. Jagielka and Baines have been injured quite a bit taking a huge chunk of our experience away from the first team and when they have played they haven't been brilliant. Baines esp has been poor. jags has been ok and has given his all.
Coleman has been so badly off form as well.
Mori is new and bound to make mistakes and the same for Stones. If we had all the players fit all the time our defence would be much better.
We never had a settled unit.
Does that help you @sirblue57 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1448)
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 06, 2016, 12:58:50 AM
True. But that was before he really started fucking about with tactics and neglecting defence.
Agreed. Making it the managers fault and not the player as Con suggested in his post!
Post by: sirblue57 on April 06, 2016, 01:03:11 AM
As mentioned, our senior players have been horrible. Howard was atrocious and made so many basic errors costing us wins, not even draws. he hardlt y made a save. You can blame Martinez for not dropping him sooner. Jagielka and Baines have been injured quite a bit taking a huge chunk of our experience away from the first team and when they have played they haven't been brilliant. Baines esp has been poor. jags has been ok and has given his all.
Coleman has been so badly off form as well.
Mori is new and bound to make mistakes and the same for Stones. If we had all the players fit all the time our defence would be much better.
We never had a settled unit.
Does that help you @sirblue57 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1448)
no, all managers have to deal with injuries etc, but not all oversee a decline in defensive ability like RM has . as I stated, his record shows the one constant with him. so maybe the players get injured,lose form, this happens with all teams.
how managers deal with this shows their ability, or lack of. I still say he has had enough time to sort these issues out, and has failed.
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2016, 01:07:44 AM
no, all managers have to deal with injuries etc, but not all oversee a decline in defensive ability like RM has . as I stated, his record shows the one constant with him. so maybe the players get injured,lose form, this happens with all teams.
how managers deal with this shows their ability, or lack of. I still say he has had enough time to sort these issues out, and has failed.
For the most part I agree with you. he hasn't failed yet though. We might still win a trophy.
Post by: Gash on April 06, 2016, 01:10:26 AM
I think the weekend showed how much we need to find a replacement for Barry as he can't go on for ever. We really missed him at the weekend, you only need to look how many times the ball came out from Robles, across the defence then back to Robles. No one was showing for the ball or giving them an outlet, Besic does when he plays but I think he's a bit different from Barry.
I've only really noticed it since @TheRam (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) commented on it that McCarthy makes sure and positions himself next to an opposition player so the pass to him isn't on either, he offers absolutely nothing as an outlet from defence and nothing as an outlet when we're further up the park and looking for a bit of help. Barry is going to be very difficult to replace.
Post by: sirblue57 on April 06, 2016, 01:12:18 AM
For the most part I agree with you. he hasn't failed yet though. We might still win a trophy.
might? really? two seasons of dross and failure, and your pinning your hopes on might? lets just check eh?
1st season, record points NEARLY made the champions league, start of defensive rot.
2nd season disappointing in lots of ways, bottom half finish.
3rd season......"not failed yet"......really? hmm...
Post by: KingdingalingNL on April 06, 2016, 01:54:35 AM
Post by: Polledreng on April 06, 2016, 04:03:16 AM
Slightly different though. Whilst we might now have a Billionaire businessman on board, there's no guarantee that his pockets will be completely bottomless. The arabs who took over at City went in and immediately spunked £30m on Robinho just as a little statement of intent. I don't see Farhad Moshiri being that kind of guy. I believe him when he says he's prepared to back us, but I think that there will be a ceiling to that financial backing. I also would doubt very much whether he would hand a massive pile of cash to a clown who has taken his new investment backwards in the past two years and blindly trust him to spend it wisely. Just hope that Moshiri has got a surprise up his sleeve in the summer, just as he's telling RM to clear his desk and fuck off!Spot on. I'm NOT expecting us to break the bank- just tried to say People are willing. follow the Money..... And hope their new team will be succesfull. If not They will move on.
Post by: Shogun on April 06, 2016, 04:10:21 AM
Post by: Klown-Shoes on April 06, 2016, 12:57:09 PM
Post by: Brownie on April 06, 2016, 04:07:49 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/05/romelu-lukaku-moving-to-chelsea-would-enrage-everton/
Post by: Lxxx on April 06, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
People need to take their blinkers off regarding the manager. he is far from perfect but equally, he is not as terrible as people make out. if we win it's because of good players or luck. if we lose it's because the manager.
if players play well it's because they good players and should improve, if they don't it's because of the manager.
You're taking it too far now mate, almost to the point that people think you're now taking the piss.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on April 06, 2016, 04:32:57 PM
You're taking it too far now mate, almost to the point that people think you're now taking the piss.
It is a fair enough comment though . Problem is he has past the tipping point and there is no going back in the eyes of the majority of fans ( or players if you believe the whispers ) . You have given him some credit yourself so it can't be all bad . As for transfer speculation then its going to be a long summer .
Post by: Silas on April 06, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 06, 2016, 04:41:49 PM
Given then new investment are we now in a position to attract these kind of players.
Not sure if I would be too keen on Mikel, but it would be amazing to see the likes of Oscar at Everton and even Willian.
Post by: Brownie on April 06, 2016, 06:12:03 PM
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Post by: Goaljira on April 06, 2016, 08:09:06 PM
Is Oscar better than Barkley?
Different players. Lukaku would be better off with someone like Oscar than Ross playing off him though.
Post by: Goaljira on April 06, 2016, 08:09:40 PM
Please tell me people don't seriously think that Willian and Oscar would even fucking consider coming to Everton?
No chance on either of them. Willian has been Chelsea's best player this season by a mile.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on April 06, 2016, 08:22:59 PM
No chance on either of them. Willian has been Chelsea's best player this season by a mile.
Can't understand why Conte would consider off loading him . Head and shoulders their best player this season , more so when so many of them were playing with getting Mourinho out in mind .
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2016, 11:24:20 PM
Would love s to sign a big, destructive DM. Someone who can play but is not afraid to put their body on the line and go on rampaging runs. But all we get linked with are wingers
I am sure we can get Fellaini back
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 06, 2016, 11:27:51 PM
I suppose with Martinez saying 'we can compete with any club in Europe financially', and people on here thinking that winning an FA cup will enable us to attract better players and keep our good players (even though our league form is abysmal)... I just wanted to see what peoples view was.
I think the point is.... Doesn't matter how much money we might have, if we don't compete in the premier league then we are never going to attract these kind of players.
Post by: Bluedylan on April 06, 2016, 11:27:56 PM
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2016, 11:30:59 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on April 06, 2016, 11:32:03 PM
According to all of you he won't be manager much longer.
Extremely wishful thinking rather than any actual evidence that it might happen.
Post by: kramer0 on April 06, 2016, 11:35:09 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on April 06, 2016, 11:37:37 PM
Fellaini did brilliantly while he was here but I wouldn't want him back. He's too petulant and his form has always been extremely erratic.
Also, he was yet another Belgian who loved getting linked with moves away on every international break. We've had enough of that.
Post by: kramer0 on April 06, 2016, 11:49:34 PM
Also, he was yet another Belgian who loved getting linked with moves away on every international break. We've had enough of that.
That too, although I think he's probably been humbled a bit by his experience at Manchester United.
If I had to sum it up, I'd say this -- every time I see him throwing elbows on TV, I think, "I'm glad we don't have to deal with this anymore."
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 06, 2016, 11:55:51 PM
Unfortunately Utd play him too far back, he can never hurt you with his passing, he just isn't that technically gifted, but he was an absolute handful when played further up the pitch.
I wouldn't have him back though, not really what we're crying out for.
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 07, 2016, 12:50:10 AM
According to all of you he won't be manager much longer.
Yawn
Post by: snods on April 07, 2016, 01:14:13 AM
According to all of you he won't be manager much longer.Here's hoping.
Post by: Goaljira on April 07, 2016, 08:03:51 PM
Quote from: Load of Made Up Shite
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/506408/Everton-Transfer-News-Aden-Flint-Chelsea-John-Stones
According to The Sun, Toffees boss Roberto Martinez has identified the 26-year-old as an ideal replacement for Chelsea target John Stones.
Chelsea were desperate to land England international Stones last summer and new boss Antonio Conte will continue to chase a £50m deal.
Flint, who has racked up 100 consecutive appearances for the Championship strugglers, is attracting plenty of interest.
Aston Villa are chasing the £2.5m-rated centre-back as they prepare for life in the second-tier.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 09, 2016, 12:55:17 PM
I'm still not sure where Moshiris investment actually puts us though, are we genuinely competitors for the signatures for players like this, or does it not really make a difference??
I'm still quite pessimistic about it all and I think that we would struggle to sign high calibre Players that other big teams want.
Post by: Cassius on April 09, 2016, 01:00:21 PM
The mail today are reporting that Conte may want to axe Courtois, I'd love to see him here.
I'm still not sure where Moshiris investment actually puts us though, are we genuinely competitors for the signatures for players like this, or does it not really make a difference??
I'm still quite pessimistic about it all and I think that we would struggle to sign high calibre Players that other big teams want.
I think teams with CL will be the real competitors for players like this.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 09, 2016, 02:40:06 PM
Post by: plowman2 on April 09, 2016, 03:25:16 PM
Its The Star quoting The S**, so the absolute pinnacle of journalistic integrity,
:)
Post by: Tinga on April 09, 2016, 03:35:31 PM
I don't doubt we could attract some top quality players here whoever the manager is due to all the money, but my fear is losing out on the upper tier players and having to overpay through the whazoo because we're a bottom half club.
I'd hate for us to do a Leeds. What we need is big money on a big manager who can get us CL and then we get the big players.
Post by: Bluedylan on April 09, 2016, 04:35:34 PM
Post by: TheRam on April 09, 2016, 04:40:52 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on April 09, 2016, 04:43:14 PM
The mail today are reporting that Conte may want to axe Courtois, I'd love to see him here.
I'm still not sure where Moshiris investment actually puts us though, are we genuinely competitors for the signatures for players like this, or does it not really make a difference??
I'm still quite pessimistic about it all and I think that we would struggle to sign high calibre Players that other big teams want.
We're guessing a bit at the moment mate, but I reckon an educated guess is that we're now able to sign a Payet (pre-West Ham) or someone of that ilk without needing to scrimp and save, rather than going to the richest clubs in the world and getting their best players off them, while we lie in 12th.
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 09, 2016, 05:04:26 PM
Post by: Ross on April 09, 2016, 05:13:57 PM
Post by: Confucius on April 09, 2016, 09:08:41 PM
Id take a punt on aguero.
Too short and he won't get on the end of Baines crosses
Post by: kramer0 on April 10, 2016, 10:46:01 AM
They'd be foolish to get rid of him as Cazorla is 31 and Ramsey is better than Coquelin (who is admittedly a different sort of player for a different role), Elneny, and Wilshere, and I think they're too clever to sell a talented midfielder entering his prime years. But he's been out of favor lately and it's not totally inconceivable that they might look to sell him if they brought in someone big like Xhaka or Krychowiak (or both).
Where would he go? Obviously, they wouldn't want to sell him to a close rival (United, Spurs, Chelsea, etc.) and I have no clue what his reputation is abroad. If we change management, are we the sort of club who could compete for his signature in this unlikely scenario?
I could see Juventus and maybe Bayern (if they lose a player or two) being in for him. But how many other clubs abroad have the resources, prestige, and need for a player hypothetically not wanted at Arsenal?
Post by: Goaljira on April 10, 2016, 01:10:06 PM
This is a totally mad shout so feel free to chime in with the obligatory "our fans are so thick, he wouldn't come here, why bring up hypotheticals you worthless piece of garbage" comments but I was wondering -- what happens to Aaron Ramsey if Arsenal make a big midfield signing?I think they'll keep him with Arteta leaving this summer, and potentially sell the ox instead?
They'd be foolish to get rid of him as Cazorla is 31 and Ramsey is better than Coquelin (who is admittedly a different sort of player for a different role), Elneny, and Wilshere, and I think they're too clever to sell a talented midfielder entering his prime years. But he's been out of favor lately and it's not totally inconceivable that they might look to sell him if they brought in someone big like Xhaka or Krychowiak (or both).
Where would he go? Obviously, they wouldn't want to sell him to a close rival (United, Spurs, Chelsea, etc.) and I have no clue what his reputation is abroad. If we change management, are we the sort of club who could compete for his signature in this unlikely scenario?
I could see Juventus and maybe Bayern (if they lose a player or two) being in for him. But how many other clubs abroad have the resources, prestige, and need for a player hypothetically not wanted at Arsenal?
Post by: Confucius on April 10, 2016, 01:28:59 PM
Post by: kramer0 on April 10, 2016, 08:26:55 PM
I think they'll keep him with Arteta leaving this summer, and potentially sell the ox instead?
What is Oxlade-Chamberlain's position? I'm asking genuinely.
I always thought he was going to be a winger but he seems to have moved centrally. I'm also not sure he's particularly good in either role at the moment.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 10, 2016, 08:32:14 PM
What is Oxlade-Chamberlain's position? I'm asking genuinely.
On the treatment table.
Or bench.
Post by: Rhys on April 10, 2016, 11:33:03 PM
What is Oxlade-Chamberlain's position? I'm asking genuinely.
I always thought he was going to be a winger but he seems to have moved centrally. I'm also not sure he's particularly good in either role at the moment.
From what I remember he started out as a central player for Southampton and that's what arsenal bought him for with the long term in mind, but lacked some sense around the position so played him out wide to learn the game a bit more. But he hasn't progressed to be a centre midfielder yet and isn't naturally a winger so has kind of got a bit lost in where he is going.
Talented player though if someone gets the right position in the right team at some point.
Post by: dchans on April 11, 2016, 02:43:44 AM
And Vorm, he's better than what we have.
Put Nasri in that bracket too
Post by: ally2 on April 11, 2016, 02:59:23 AM
Post by: kramer0 on April 11, 2016, 04:02:01 AM
No, run a mile from Nasri. He's a twat
This. Have a look at his hair if you need convincing.
Post by: Goaljira on April 11, 2016, 04:13:05 AM
What is Oxlade-Chamberlain's position? I'm asking genuinely.The Tom Cleverley/Leon Osman role.
I always thought he was going to be a winger but he seems to have moved centrally. I'm also not sure he's particularly good in either role at the moment.
Post by: Klown-Shoes on April 11, 2016, 04:15:40 AM
The Tom Cleverley/Leon Osman role.
Boo soaker upper. Sorted.
Post by: Danny on April 11, 2016, 07:08:50 PM
Dembele from Spurs if they buy big and he is available
And Vorm, he's better than what we have.
Put Nasri in that bracket too
According to Spurs fans he's been one of their best players since Pochettino has come in, i'd say there is no chance we'd get him.
Post by: Danny on April 11, 2016, 07:09:45 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 11, 2016, 07:11:50 PM
also Obi Mikel is one of those players who people think is shit because he plays for a big club, guarantee he'd be fantastic for us, very experienced and not even that old.
I reckon he'll go to China for a pay day.
Post by: Bluedylan on April 12, 2016, 02:57:30 AM
What about a bit of Wijnaldum? He'd be within our financial reach now, you'd imagine he'd want out, and I'm fairly sure I've seen him play on the left. He'd be a significant improvement on what we've got there at the moment.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 12, 2016, 03:01:38 AM
This. Have a look at his hair if you need convincing.
Saw that yesterday, just before the 90s called and asked for its hair back.
Post by: Shogun on April 12, 2016, 03:02:09 AM
Perez
Kone
Kirchhoff
Khazri
Ayew
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 12, 2016, 03:02:56 AM
Just thinking about the teams going down with Villa, assuming it will be Newcastle and probably Sunderland, and whether there's anyone we would take there who would improve us.
What about a bit of Wijnaldum? He'd be within our financial reach now, you'd imagine he'd want out, and I'm fairly sure I've seen him play on the left. He'd be a significant improvement on what we've got there at the moment.
A good shout. Lost his mojo playing for that shower of shite alongside a giant thumb.
Think he'd do well as a pienaar replacement.
Post by: Bluedylan on April 12, 2016, 03:07:13 AM
A good shout. Lost his mojo playing for that shower of shite alongside a giant thumb.
Think he'd do well as a pienaar replacement.
Yeah, that's the way I see him as well. Proven international quality, goals and assists in his game and actually gettable, unlike some of the mad fantasy shouts that you get in here sometimes.
Post by: Hawkandro on April 12, 2016, 03:07:36 AM
Post by: Goaljira on April 12, 2016, 03:08:30 AM
Post by: Goaljira on April 12, 2016, 03:10:46 AM
Tim Krul and Wijnaldum from Newcastle would both be good signings. Mitrovic maybe too.Sometimes you look at Mitrovic and think with focus he could make a step up. You can't focus on the horrible misses he has because all strikers bar thea absolute elite won't score every time.
Then you see his stupid goal celebration and you think 'Nah, fuck him off'.
Post by: Hawkandro on April 12, 2016, 03:11:31 AM
Post by: Shogun on April 12, 2016, 03:11:42 AM
Post by: dchans on April 12, 2016, 03:20:08 AM
Not for me
Post by: TheRam on April 12, 2016, 03:24:36 AM
Elliot (second keeper)
Perez
Kone
Kirchhoff
Khazri
Ayew
Very impressed with Kirchoff from what I've seen. I'd love him or a player of his type in the middle for us
Post by: kramer0 on April 12, 2016, 03:26:39 AM
Jordan Ayew scores goals but he's greedy and shoots a lot. Not a good fit in my opinion.
Kirchoff is a bit injury prone but I've been a fan for awhile. He gives the added versatility of playing centre back.
Post by: brap2 on April 12, 2016, 03:32:43 AM
Just thinking about the teams going down with Villa, assuming it will be Newcastle and probably Sunderland, and whether there's anyone we would take there who would improve us.
What about a bit of Wijnaldum? He'd be within our financial reach now, you'd imagine he'd want out, and I'm fairly sure I've seen him play on the left. He'd be a significant improvement on what we've got there at the moment.
Wijnaldum, Mbemba, Ayoze
Ayew
Khazri
Edit: also yeah, kirkhoff looks a good player.
Post by: kramer0 on April 12, 2016, 03:33:39 AM
Post by: TheRam on April 12, 2016, 03:33:56 AM
Proper Sunderland player him.
Post by: brap2 on April 12, 2016, 03:36:02 AM
I reckon khazri is massively shite.
Proper Sunderland player him.
He is a bit, but he's very direct and positive, and seems to want the ball whenever possible.
Post by: Bluedylan on April 12, 2016, 03:43:36 AM
Post by: TheRam on April 12, 2016, 03:53:31 AM
Jordan Pickford
Jermaine Defoe
Mitrovic
Mbemba
Post by: Klown-Shoes on April 12, 2016, 03:59:13 AM
Post by: Goaljira on April 12, 2016, 03:59:30 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on April 12, 2016, 04:00:03 AM
No shouts for crabman Rodwell, perfect fit with 'sideways as slow as you like' current manager.
Come on mate, enough with endless acerbic cynicism. We're looking for solutions here, not problems.
Post by: Gumpinio on April 12, 2016, 04:01:11 AM
Post by: Klown-Shoes on April 12, 2016, 04:03:05 AM
Come on mate, enough with endless acerbic cynicism. We're looking for solutions here, not problems.
have your posts and signature vandalised. and there is a solution, the big p45. Always thought Rodwell was a CB (from a manager that brought him through and said the same) calm and able to pass at least sideways competently, knows the club, stones wants out.... Perfect sense.
after the p45 though.
as for the Bielsa shouts, i jokingly mentioned months ago bielsa just for the bielsa'bub fun, fun times.
Edit: big thought
Post by: Bluedylan on April 12, 2016, 04:04:30 AM
have your posts and signature vandalised. and there is a solution, the bit p45. Always though Rodwell was a CB (from a manager that brought him through and said the same) calm and able to pass at least sideways competently, knows the club, stones wants out.... Perfect sense.
after the p45 though.
as for the Bielsa shouts, i jokingly mentioned months ago bielsa just for the bielsa'bub fun, fun times.
As usual, I'm not sure what most of that means.
Post by: Klown-Shoes on April 12, 2016, 04:05:39 AM
As usual, I'm not sure what most of that means.
;D
http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=50219.msg1036323#msg1036323
Post by: kramer0 on April 12, 2016, 04:07:43 AM
If that's what we're going for.
Post by: brap2 on April 12, 2016, 04:08:04 AM
As usual, I'm not sure what most of that means.
He's just a tit who thinks he's really smart and funny.
Fucking boring coming into every single fucking thread and there's some tit bringing the conversation back round to the same one from every single other thread. Especially when it's one who thinks he's being oh so clever about it.
Post by: Klown-Shoes on April 12, 2016, 04:10:36 AM
He's just a tit who thinks he's really smart and funny.
Fucking boring coming into every single fucking thread and there's some tit bringing the conversation back round to the same one from every single other thread. Especially when it's one who thinks he's being oh so clever about it.
love you from the heart of my bottom too chief, #kisses
Post by: Shogun on April 12, 2016, 04:13:36 AM
Shelvey would help us make the switch from football team to full-on comedy act.
If that's what we're going for.
I think he's shite as well. It speaks volumes that Swansea let him go to a relegation rival half way through the season (and now look at both teams).
Post by: brap2 on April 12, 2016, 04:17:40 AM
I think he's shite as well. It speaks volumes that Swansea let him go to a relegation rival half way through the season (and now look at both teams).
Colback looked half decent for a few weeks. Got to say though maybe it was pards doing a bit of media juju and it suckered me in because I'm a idiot.
Post by: Klown-Shoes on April 12, 2016, 04:21:06 AM
I think he's shite as well. It speaks volumes that Swansea let him go to a relegation rival half way through the season (and now look at both teams).
I heard hes a very bad influence and cant control his temper and that he is not on garry monks christmas card list.
Without inviting further wrath, a former manager of ours really rated Steven Taylor.
Andros Townsend is allegedly available for £8mill, and seeing as we are linked with every other right winger going lets cut out the middle man. (LOLs for selling on instantly and laughing at mike ashley)
Could a disciplinarian turn Grealish around? is the big lump up front for villa that they got from blackburn a capable plan b option?
And I hope someone, anyone canconvince a side to sign Bacuna and Mata.... just because they're a wonderful phrase.....
Post by: ally2 on April 12, 2016, 04:39:07 AM
Post by: TheRam on April 12, 2016, 04:43:50 AM
He's probably a bit shite if you watch him for 90 though.
Post by: ally2 on April 12, 2016, 04:48:09 AM
Post by: Klown-Shoes on April 12, 2016, 04:48:40 AM
Not assed what you's say, Shelvey is a good fucking player.
He's probably a bit shite if you watch him for 90 though.
he'll fit right in, we play for 80 max anyway.
ha ha ha this was a joke all you serious people, sometimes you have to laugh at the stupidity of a situation because instead you'd cry...etc...
Post by: Ross on April 12, 2016, 04:50:18 AM
People are actually serious in here lol
I thought this was a parody pre summer transfer thread?
Post by: ally2 on April 12, 2016, 04:52:31 AM
I thought this was a parody pre summer transfer thread?
You know what - I've just re-read the thread and I can't work out if it is serious or not although I'm not really on form brain-wise at this moment.
Post by: Bluedylan on April 12, 2016, 04:53:19 AM
Whilst it wanting to get into a Wes Morgan type debate, we need to be looking at players who will get us to the top four. That must be our aim and we should always look to improve the first team directly rather than bulking out the squad.
Agreed. That's why I think Wijnaldum would be the main one I would look to take from the relegation teams. For me, he could go into most teams in the league and be really good.
Post by: Ross on April 12, 2016, 04:59:05 AM
You know what - I've just re-read the thread and I can't work out if it is serious or not although I'm not really on form brain-wise at this moment.
I've only got one thing to say to you Ally...
Neymar.
And Moshiri has promised to spend all money on us.
Post by: hill135 on April 12, 2016, 05:04:06 AM
There's a reason why they are where they are and it's because the managers and the playing staff are not good enough. They have reputations and that's it.
Janmaat in particular I reckon is my most hated player in the league.
Post by: Shogun on April 12, 2016, 05:04:58 AM
Agreed. That's why I think Wijnaldum would be the main one I would look to take from the relegation teams. For me, he could go into most teams in the league and be really good.
Can't say I've watched him too much but aside from that Norwich match and the Liverpool match, he's been pretty underwhelming and I don't think he's registered a goal or assist away from home yet.
Of course, we know more than most that good players can get lost in poor systems.
Post by: TheRam on April 12, 2016, 05:06:01 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on April 12, 2016, 05:08:10 AM
Can't say I've watched him too much but aside from that Norwich match and the Liverpool match, he's been pretty underwhelming and I don't think he's registered a goal or assist away from home yet.
Of course, we know more than most that good players can get lost in poor systems.
Yeah, there probably is an element of me watching him on highlight packages, and not being aware of his record away from home. He's clearly a good player though in a functioning system and he can play effectively in a few different positions (as the Dutch usually can).
I think someone will have him, and I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be us. Can't imagine it'd be loads of money.
Post by: Confucius on April 12, 2016, 06:28:01 AM
Post by: Makis on April 12, 2016, 02:48:07 PM
Post by: Danny on April 12, 2016, 03:34:17 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 12, 2016, 04:06:40 PM
He really hasn't been that good for Newcastle but I'd still take him.
On 80k a week by all accounts
Post by: di_guyo on April 12, 2016, 05:25:04 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 12, 2016, 05:55:53 PM
might consider having 1 or 2 as squad fillers e.g Wijnaldum & Sissoko but the problem is they are already on massive wages and wouldn't be worth it for the squad roles......
oh and Krul is terrible
Post by: Brownie on April 13, 2016, 06:42:05 PM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aaron-ramsey-allowed-leave-arsenal-11177869
Post by: kramer0 on April 13, 2016, 06:50:00 PM
Not a direct link to him but based on what was said above I reckon he's worth a punt
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aaron-ramsey-allowed-leave-arsenal-11177869
I have a feeling he won't actually be available.
If his injury issues aren't too severe, he's worth the money. A great all-around midfielder who needs a change of scenery to rediscover his form.
Post by: Bluenose 91 on April 13, 2016, 06:50:14 PM
Can imagine there'll be a fair few in for him if he's available though.
Post by: hill135 on April 13, 2016, 06:56:26 PM
Post by: DANNOJ on April 13, 2016, 07:18:33 PM
As for pickings from the relegated teams, there is some quality there...
Klose from Norwich
Mitrovic, Ayoze, Wiji, Mbemba from newcastle
Pickford, Defoe, Khazri, Mvilla or Rodwell from Sunderland
Ayew from Villa
But we are looking up, and these players as good as they may be, only one or two could stake a claim in this team, and this team is pretty poor
Post by: Bluedylan on April 13, 2016, 07:33:19 PM
Post by: kramer0 on April 13, 2016, 07:54:35 PM
I think the outside perception of Ramsay is more favourable than that of Arsenal fans, certainly this season. I really rate him but I've heard a load of their fans on Arsenal Fan TV saying he's been really poor this season and not wanting him in the team.
This.
I was lurking on some other clubs' forums recently to see what they thought of Martinez and the situation at Everton. On the Arsenal forum, I noticed quite a few posters slagging off Ramsey which is where I got the idea in the first place.
Most of us rate him highly (and deservedly so -- there's a lot to his game and not just the goals he scored two seasons ago) but people at Arsenal have a slightly different view. If they let him go and the price isn't outrageous, he would be a massive improvement on anything we have at the club.
He's started more than 20 games in each of the last four Premier League seasons so his fitness issues aren't too severe. I'm sure someone can piece together how many matches he's missed through injury and how many he's missed because Arsenal have a deep squad.
Arsenal are pretty smart about players so I'm guessing they'll keep him and wait for him to find some form again. But if they get impatient, I hope we ask about him.
Post by: GLewis on April 13, 2016, 07:55:34 PM
Then in the context of either Sanchez or Ozil he's nowhere near their level technically. (Or Cazorla when he's fit)
So I can see where Arsenal based disappointment would come from.
But I think he'd look very good in the next level down if he's given the necessary protection for his runs forward.
Post by: fubarruk on April 13, 2016, 08:40:50 PM
Post by: ally2 on April 13, 2016, 08:46:52 PM
Local rags reporting that Lukaku could go back to Chelsea for a 'reduced' fee...
Yeah that makes all kinds of sense
Post by: Hawkandro on April 13, 2016, 08:54:10 PM
Local rags reporting that Lukaku could go back to Chelsea for a 'reduced' fee...
It started in the Mail; they tweeted the story last night. Load of bollocks.
Post by: Makis on April 13, 2016, 09:32:14 PM
Post by: GLewis on April 13, 2016, 09:56:26 PM
Feasible but I can't see this clause being very large, say how a CL win clause might be £5m.
How much would a cup one be? £1m?
Not going to make too much of a dent in £50-60m.
Post by: Bluedylan on April 13, 2016, 10:00:37 PM
For a start, they're not going to be in the CL which is the main criteria given by Lukaku for wanting to leave.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 13, 2016, 10:31:18 PM
Rodwell is out and out shit.
Post by: jongre123 on April 13, 2016, 10:32:09 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on April 13, 2016, 10:39:34 PM
Latching onto Ramsay and Arsenal, what would people think of Chamberlain if he was available? They're also reportedly willing to sell him and I think if he was to join a club like ours where he would be almost certain of a starting spot he could turn into a very good player.
I like him, but we've got loads of wide players and we don't even play two of them normally
Post by: Shogun on April 13, 2016, 10:43:25 PM
Latching onto Ramsay and Arsenal, what would people think of Chamberlain if he was available? They're also reportedly willing to sell him and I think if he was to join a club like ours where he would be almost certain of a starting spot he could turn into a very good player.
I like him but he's injury prone and still the same player he was four years ago, seriously stagnated.
Post by: Lxxx on April 13, 2016, 11:03:53 PM
Post by: Brownie on April 13, 2016, 11:08:41 PM
Aaron Ramsay has had a good half season in his career so far. Flew out the blocks at the beginning of the season a few years back and everyone sat up and took notice, since then he's been no more than steady. Surely we're now aiming higher than that.
He's been better than steady. He would be a good signing
Post by: Brownie on April 13, 2016, 11:09:55 PM
That article must be rubbish, Arsenal are a much better team with AR in the side. No way theyd let him leave.
As for pickings from the relegated teams, there is some quality there...
Klose from Norwich
Mitrovic, Ayoze, Wiji, Mbemba from newcastle
Pickford, Defoe, Khazri, Mvilla or Rodwell from Sunderland
Ayew from Villa
But we are looking up, and these players as good as they may be, only one or two could stake a claim in this team, and this team is pretty poor
Walesonline are usually very good with their inside knowledge when it comes to sport
Post by: jongre123 on April 13, 2016, 11:11:01 PM
I like him, but we've got loads of wide players and we don't even play two of them normally
For the left side we only have Mirallas who can really play there and he seems to be on his way out. For me Chamberlain has played better on the left for Arsenal and I think if he signed he'd be a sure thing for the left side even if we don't play two wingers because as he's shown at Arsenal, he's versatile enough to play anywhere along the front of an attacking midfield and at the moment it seems like that's the way we want our attackers to play.
I like him but he's injury prone and still the same player he was four years ago, seriously stagnated.
Think he's stagnated due to not starting as much as he'd like whether due to injury or not. Obviously it'd be a risk to take but if he managed to get a good run of games under him which I think away from Arsenal he would, he could turn into a key player.
Post by: Lxxx on April 13, 2016, 11:16:37 PM
He's been better than steady. He would be a good signing
Not quite sure what he is. Over 10 seasons he's reached double figures in goals only twice. Not a big tackler, not known as a creator of goals, this season he's on 6 goals and 4 assists. He'd command a fee of over £20m you would think and I'm not too sure what you're getting for your money.
Post by: brap2 on April 13, 2016, 11:59:33 PM
He doesn't really fit as a CM, in that he's too positionally indisciplined and he can't really play out wide.
Then in the context of either Sanchez or Ozil he's nowhere near their level technically. (Or Cazorla when he's fit)
So I can see where Arsenal based disappointment would come from.
But I think he'd look very good in the next level down if he's given the necessary protection for his runs forward.
Couldn't see him and Ross in the same team, so it would be nice to have competition in that kind of...luxury not quite 10 role.
Post by: ally2 on April 14, 2016, 01:01:43 AM
Post by: TheRam on April 14, 2016, 01:21:43 AM
Post by: Simon Paul on April 14, 2016, 01:22:39 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on April 14, 2016, 01:25:53 AM
Post by: Silas on April 14, 2016, 01:38:02 AM
Another random shout. We'd have to pay a fair few bob, but I think we should go after Frazer Forster. I think he would leave Southampton for us, and we're being told we've got the money to spend. I think he'd be a great no 1 for us and he's the perfect age at 28.
Not the worst keeper shout I have seen by any stretch
Post by: Alanvideo on April 14, 2016, 01:51:09 AM
Post by: Blue Lagoon on April 14, 2016, 01:57:11 AM
Another random shout. We'd have to pay a fair few bob, but I think we should go after Frazer Forster. I think he would leave Southampton for us, and we're being told we've got the money to spend. I think he'd be a great no 1 for us and he's the perfect age at 28.I'm 100% good with that
Post by: Makis on April 14, 2016, 02:42:54 AM
Post by: hill135 on April 14, 2016, 06:46:34 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 14, 2016, 01:21:25 PM
Post by: blue slug on April 14, 2016, 05:44:03 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on April 14, 2016, 05:50:28 PM
There are loads of keepers of Forster's level outside the Premier League who would be available cheaper than him.
This is true, but he's fully acclimatised to this league, so it reduces the risk significantly that he wouldn't work out. We've seen foreign keepers sometimes struggle to adapt to the Prem.
It would be a lot of money like.
Post by: pjk on April 14, 2016, 05:53:15 PM
Another random shout. We'd have to pay a fair few bob, but I think we should go after Frazer Forster. I think he would leave Southampton for us, and we're being told we've got the money to spend. I think he'd be a great no 1 for us and he's the perfect age at 28.
I'm 100% with this too. 28 and he's improving. And by all accounts we can afford to go after him, I think personally it's a real opportunity if recognised by whoever is in charge.
Post by: Cozzie on April 14, 2016, 06:11:01 PM
Simples.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 15, 2016, 06:34:45 AM
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 15, 2016, 12:52:56 PM
I wish this Carrick story would fuck off and die.
Carrick as back-up for Barry. Come on. How can it die?
Post by: Macca77 on April 15, 2016, 02:59:24 PM
Of course we don't, its a nothing story.
Post by: GLewis on April 15, 2016, 03:49:49 PM
Do we really need Carrick?
Of course we don't, its a nothing story.
We don't tend to sign players out of the blue.
This is being repeated quite heavily so I'm assuming it's true.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 15, 2016, 04:40:51 PM
Not the worst keeper shout I have seen by any stretchWith the new TV money, Soton wouldn't even sell for £20m
Post by: Hawkandro on April 15, 2016, 06:10:28 PM
Post by: Ross on April 15, 2016, 06:18:17 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on April 15, 2016, 06:20:04 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 15, 2016, 06:46:01 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 15, 2016, 06:51:03 PM
The even smarter move would be to buy established, quality midfielders in the 24-28 age range, and stop behaving like a small time club taking people's cast offs.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
He's not wanted at what is (currently) an extremely poor Man United and people want to see us sign him despite the rumoured sizable funds being available to us in the summer.
And the same fans moan about the "plucky little old Everton" themed articles and coverage in the media...
Post by: blue slug on April 15, 2016, 06:57:12 PM
Post by: Ross on April 15, 2016, 06:57:19 PM
The smart move would obviously be Carrick in Barry out.
Scrap that they're the same age.
But there's absolutely nothing wrong with bringing in a free transfer with a huge amount of experience, all teams need experienced players to guide the team.
Post by: GLewis on April 15, 2016, 08:03:00 PM
The even smarter move would be to buy established, quality midfielders in the 24-28 age range, and stop behaving like a small time club taking people's cast offs.
*Juve announce signing of Milan reject Andrea Pirlo*
Prove me wrong...
Post by: Macca77 on April 15, 2016, 08:05:09 PM
*Juve announce signing of Milan reject Andrea Pirlo*
Prove me wrong...
The obvious difference there is Pirlo was world class
Carrick is shite
Post by: Bluedylan on April 15, 2016, 08:10:13 PM
*Juve announce signing of Milan reject Andrea Pirlo*
Prove me wrong...
Exceptions and rules and all that.
I do actually like Carrick, but we surely need more legs in midfield, not even less.
Post by: GLewis on April 15, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
The obvious difference there is Pirlo was world class
Carrick is shite
What's that got to do with it!
Post by: GLewis on April 15, 2016, 08:20:29 PM
Exceptions and rules and all that.
I do actually like Carrick, but we surely need more legs in midfield, not even less.
We would if we were going for a more energetic approach.
If not, and I think it's safe to assume that we wouldn't be given that we've not changed that much in 3 seasons, we'd need someone who pings passes left, right, short and long.
Obviously this would still be an underwhelming signing and unless Barry was leaving seemingly unnecessary, even if he is a better all round passer than him.
Post by: Macca77 on April 15, 2016, 08:24:04 PM
What's that got to do with it!
We don't need anymore shite thank you very much
Post by: Ross on April 15, 2016, 08:26:20 PM
*Juve announce signing of Milan reject Andrea Pirlo*
Prove me wrong...
*Liverpool announce the signing of Gary McAllister*
*Leeds announce the signing of Gordon Strachan*
*Everton announce the signing of Andy Gray*
*Derby announce the signing of Dave Mackay*
......all brought in to help guide young teams to a successful period. I'm sure there's many many more.
Post by: GLewis on April 15, 2016, 08:38:20 PM
*Liverpool announce the signing of Gary McAllister*
*Leeds announce the signing of Gordon Strachan*
*Everton announce the signing of Andy Gray*
*Derby announce the signing of Dave Mackay*
......all brought in to help guide young teams to a successful period. I'm sure there's many many more.
Yes it's not ridiculous.
Although Andy Gray wasn't actually that old looking back!
I suppose the argument here is that we've already got an experienced player in Carrick's very position.
Post by: Makis on April 15, 2016, 08:39:48 PM
Post by: Cassius on April 15, 2016, 08:41:51 PM
*Liverpool announce the signing of Gary McAllister*
*Leeds announce the signing of Gordon Strachan*
*Everton announce the signing of Andy Gray*
*Derby announce the signing of Dave Mackay*
......all brought in to help guide young teams to a successful period. I'm sure there's many many more.
*Everton announce the signing of David Ginola*
*Everton announce the signing of Paul Gascoigne*
:D
Post by: Ross on April 15, 2016, 08:44:03 PM
*Everton announce the signing of David Ginola*
*Everton announce the signing of Paul Gascoigne*
:D
How'd you miss "Samuel 'fuckin' Et'o" off that list Cass?
Post by: hill135 on April 15, 2016, 08:45:45 PM
My preference would be to look to the medium term and give Barry the prospective Carrick role and bring in a player in the 24-28 range like BD said to play most of the time.
Post by: Macca77 on April 15, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
*Liverpool announce the signing of Gary McAllister*
*Leeds announce the signing of Gordon Strachan*
*Everton announce the signing of Andy Gray*
*Derby announce the signing of Dave Mackay*
......all brought in to help guide young teams to a successful period. I'm sure there's many many more.
Everton announce the signing of Richard Gough
He was 109 years old
Post by: Bluedylan on April 15, 2016, 08:52:35 PM
And then the rest of our first team is Robles (25), Coleman (27), Jags (33), Bainesy (31), Barry (35), McCarthy (25), Lennon (28), Cleverley (26), Mirallas (28), Kone (32).
Martinez (and others) make it sound like he's bravely trying to nurture a bunch of teenagers through the Premier League season.
Post by: GLewis on April 15, 2016, 09:07:10 PM
How'd you miss "Samuel 'fuckin' Et'o" off that list Cass?
Gift from the footballing gods, no less :)
Post by: GLewis on April 15, 2016, 09:09:46 PM
And our team isn't actually that young. That's another myth that's being perpetuated. We've got a few young players. Rom's nearly 23 but he's played over 100 Prem games, and has been playing first team football for 6/7 years. Stones has played over 70 Prem games. Ross has played 80 odd games in the Prem.
And then the rest of our first team is Robles (25), Coleman (27), Jags (33), Bainesy (31), Barry (35), McCarthy (25), Lennon (28), Cleverley (26), Mirallas (28), Kone (32).
Martinez (and others) make it sound like he's bravely trying to nurture a bunch of teenagers through the Premier League season.
The Echo when discussing Jags' absence said we'd have to cope with youngsters Stones and Mori. He's 25!
Post by: kramer0 on April 15, 2016, 09:16:52 PM
https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719239153582542848 (https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719239153582542848)
https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719240536654262272 (https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719240536654262272)
https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719240728635928577 (https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719240728635928577)
Mind you, this is when we restrict to English midfielders. There's no excuse for not looking outside England for someone who can both pass and run*.
* Run quickly over short distances. Gareth Barry covers a ton of ground but if you get him 1 v. 1 against a quick attacker he's getting beat.
Post by: Goaljira on April 16, 2016, 12:13:07 AM
A little insight into why we would look at Carrick:1 v 1 against a brick and it'd be 50/50!
https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719239153582542848 (https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719239153582542848)
https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719240536654262272 (https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719240536654262272)
https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719240728635928577 (https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/719240728635928577)
Mind you, this is when we restrict to English midfielders. There's no excuse for not looking outside England for someone who can both pass and run*.
* Run quickly over short distances. Gareth Barry covers a ton of ground but if you get him 1 v. 1 against a quick attacker he's getting beat.
Post by: Klown-Shoes on April 16, 2016, 12:52:21 AM
* Run quickly over short distances. Gareth Barry covers a ton of ground but if you get him 1 v. 1 against a quick attacker he's gettingbeata yellow card.
sorted.
Post by: Bluedylan on April 17, 2016, 06:06:35 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-plot-transfer-swoop-loris-7770795
Post by: Alfie Noakes on April 17, 2016, 06:15:01 AM
One to make @Alfie Noakes (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3748) happy:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-plot-transfer-swoop-loris-7770795
I hope he stays but he can obviously earn more elsewhere. Look at the german table or any others and then decide?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 17, 2016, 06:16:15 AM
I hope he stays but he can obviously earn more elsewhere. Look at the german table and then decide?
Come on Alfie. It's about time you stopped hoarding all the boss keepers, and gave one to your blue brethren.
Post by: Alfie Noakes on April 17, 2016, 06:21:00 AM
Come on Alfie. It's about time you stopped hoarding all the boss keepers, and gave one to your blue brethren.
As a season ticket holder I don't quite have that power but I will shout EVERTON! at him every 10 minutes tomorrow afternoon. Promise.
Post by: TheRam on April 17, 2016, 06:14:05 PM
Post by: irishtoffee on April 19, 2016, 02:02:32 AM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 19, 2016, 02:19:01 AM
Emile Heskey and Emlyn Hugues shit on that bonfire.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 19, 2016, 02:21:41 AM
Post by: plowman2 on April 19, 2016, 02:32:06 AM
Germany has a ridiculous amount of boss young keepers.e
Do they not just look boss cos the league is pretty poor overall?
I used to watch a lot of St Pauli games when in the bundesliga and didn't get the same impression as you. Good but nothing more
Post by: Goaljira on April 19, 2016, 02:50:13 AM
Anyone with the name Emil is a big no no.What about Emilio Estevez?
Emile Heskey and Emlyn Hugues shit on that bonfire.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on April 19, 2016, 02:53:33 AM
Anyone with the name Emil is a big no no.
Emile Heskey and Emlyn Hugues shit on that bonfire.
Emily Bishop?
Post by: Goaljira on April 19, 2016, 03:03:43 AM
(http://www.apnatimepass.com/emily-blunt-hot-photos-4.jpg)
Post by: kramer0 on April 19, 2016, 03:04:26 AM
What could possibly go wrong? #MartinezIn
Post by: TSGun on April 19, 2016, 01:44:02 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 19, 2016, 02:22:59 PM
Probably doesn't belong in this thread but it's interesting there's a rumour Arteta may join Tottenham next season as a coach. Should we be looking at this?
No
Post by: Cassius on April 19, 2016, 02:34:52 PM
Probably doesn't belong in this thread but it's interesting there's a rumour Arteta may join Tottenham next season as a coach. Should we be looking at this?
I'm sure I heard that Arsenal were looking at him as a coach too.
I think it's a defensive coach we're more in need of anyway! And no doubt him and Roberto would clash anyway - isn't Arteta a Basque and Roberto Catalan?
Post by: brap2 on April 19, 2016, 05:32:19 PM
shame he isn't arsed about us, because I absolutely loved him as a player!
Post by: kramer0 on April 19, 2016, 11:15:55 PM
I'm less bullish on this squad (as it currently is) than most of you but I will readily admit that it's near impossible to disentangle player quality from team performances (and performances have been crap lately).
Let me start by saying that I love the potential in our young players -- Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barkley, and Stones all have the ability to be world class with the right guidance. Others, like Besic and Galloway, have the potential to be very good. I also think that our academy is going to produce a gem or two in the next few years -- I have a lot of hope for Dowell and Walsh in particular.
Still, the squad has an old, decaying underbelly. Martinez has already replaced the following older players:
Distin > Funes Mori
Osman > Cleverley
We will need replacements for the following:
Howard
Hibbert
Jagielka
Baines
Barry
Pienaar
Kone
That's a lot of work for the next man in charge. Some of those players might be replaced with different types of players but the point stands.
The following players may have replacements in house. I'm excluding players who haven't made multiple first-team appearances from consideration as replacements.
Hibbert > Browning
Baines > Garbutt/Galloway
Kone > Niasse (early signs not promising but maybe)
Some might say Barry > Besic/McCarthy but I'm not convinced that either of those two are good enough all-around midfielders to give what Barry gives. Besic lacks the tactical discipline and decision-making and McCarthy lacks the passing range (or, at the very least, the confidence in his passing ability).
This is a big but exciting project. The squad is far from complete but all indications are that we now have the resources to make this a very good team. The next appointment -- whether it's a director of football or a manager with a history of building strong teams (or both) -- is very important.
Post by: di_guyo on April 19, 2016, 11:35:26 PM
Some of the discussion in the Liverpool v. Everton thread got me thinking about our squad. This post is too long for that thread so I decided to dump it here.
I'm less bullish on this squad (as it currently is) than most of you but I will readily admit that it's near impossible to disentangle player quality from team performances (and performances have been crap lately).
Let me start by saying that I love the potential in our young players -- Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barkley, and Stones all have the ability to be world class with the right guidance. Others, like Besic and Galloway, have the potential to be very good. I also think that our academy is going to produce a gem or two in the next few years -- I have a lot of hope for Dowell and Walsh in particular.
Still, the squad has an old, decaying underbelly. Martinez has already replaced the following older players:
Distin > Funes Mori
Osman > Cleverley
We will need replacements for the following:
Howard
Hibbert
Jagielka
Baines
Barry
Pienaar
Kone
That's a lot of work for the next man in charge. Some of those players might be replaced with different types of players but the point stands.
The following players may have replacements in house. I'm excluding players who haven't made multiple first-team appearances from consideration as replacements.
Hibbert > Browning
Baines > Garbutt/Galloway
Kone > Niasse (early signs not promising but maybe)
Some might say Barry > Besic/McCarthy but I'm not convinced that either of those two are good enough all-around midfielders to give what Barry gives. Besic lacks the tactical discipline and decision-making and McCarthy lacks the passing range (or, at the very least, the confidence in his passing ability).
This is a big but exciting project. The squad is far from complete but all indications are that we now have the resources to make this a very good team. The next appointment -- whether it's a director of football or a manager with a history of building strong teams (or both) -- is very important.
If Niasse replaces Kone then we still need a replacement for Niasmith...someone to play in behind a striker in the absence of Ross.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 20, 2016, 12:19:52 AM
Post by: brap2 on April 20, 2016, 12:25:01 AM
Tielemans reminds me of Barkley, I'd rather not.
Fuck that! More barkleys please.
Post by: Goaljira on April 20, 2016, 01:30:31 AM
Some of the discussion in the Liverpool v. Everton thread got me thinking about our squad. This post is too long for that thread so I decided to dump it here.
I'm less bullish on this squad (as it currently is) than most of you but I will readily admit that it's near impossible to disentangle player quality from team performances (and performances have been crap lately).
Let me start by saying that I love the potential in our young players -- Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barkley, and Stones all have the ability to be world class with the right guidance. Others, like Besic and Galloway, have the potential to be very good. I also think that our academy is going to produce a gem or two in the next few years -- I have a lot of hope for Dowell and Walsh in particular.
Still, the squad has an old, decaying underbelly. Martinez has already replaced the following older players:
Distin > Funes Mori
Osman > Cleverley
We will need replacements for the following:
Howard
Hibbert
Jagielka
Baines
Barry
Pienaar
Kone
That's a lot of work for the next man in charge. Some of those players might be replaced with different types of players but the point stands.
The following players may have replacements in house. I'm excluding players who haven't made multiple first-team appearances from consideration as replacements.
Hibbert > Browning
Baines > Garbutt/Galloway
Kone > Niasse (early signs not promising but maybe)
Some might say Barry > Besic/McCarthy but I'm not convinced that either of those two are good enough all-around midfielders to give what Barry gives. Besic lacks the tactical discipline and decision-making and McCarthy lacks the passing range (or, at the very least, the confidence in his passing ability).
This is a big but exciting project. The squad is far from complete but all indications are that we now have the resources to make this a very good team. The next appointment -- whether it's a director of football or a manager with a history of building strong teams (or both) -- is very important.
The only thing I can say is that I'm glad we're going into this without possibly needing* to sell players from other areas to cover these incomings.
Priority this summer has to be GK, followed by another CB(To effectively replace Alcatraz). Both are areas that should have been addressed last summer, but weren't. Hopefully Browning can offer competition for Coleman next year, otherwise we need a RB. LB we've got too many players, especially with Garbutt coming back. I'd try and offload Oviedo, personally.
CM we need to replace Gibson with some one who can deputise for Barry. I'd also like an upgrade on McCarthy, but thats not happening with the current manager.
LM we need someone to compete with Cleverley. I don't want to see Kone out there ever again, and I can't see Mirallas sticking around for next year.
RM we're okay asking as we get McGeady off the books. If we're linked with any right wingers this summer I think I'll cry.
We desperately need competition for Barkley. Be it as either another striker to play 2 up top, or a tricky No.10 to play the games at home where teams will sit deep.
Lukaku desperately needs some relief. To play alongside him in some games, or to replace him late on. Could Niasse be that man? For £13m you'd hope so, but nothing we've seen or coming out the club suggests he's nothing more than a massive bust.
By my count that's 6 players of first team calibre we need. And that's before you worry about potentially having to replace Lukaku or Stones.
Post by: kramer0 on April 20, 2016, 02:48:46 AM
The only thing I can say is that I'm glad we're going into this without possibly needing* to sell players from other areas to cover these incomings.
Priority this summer has to be GK, followed by another CB(To effectively replace Alcatraz). Both are areas that should have been addressed last summer, but weren't. Hopefully Browning can offer competition for Coleman next year, otherwise we need a RB. LB we've got too many players, especially with Garbutt coming back. I'd try and offload Oviedo, personally.
CM we need to replace Gibson with some one who can deputise for Barry. I'd also like an upgrade on McCarthy, but thats not happening with the current manager.
LM we need someone to compete with Cleverley. I don't want to see Kone out there ever again, and I can't see Mirallas sticking around for next year.
RM we're okay asking as we get McGeady off the books. If we're linked with any right wingers this summer I think I'll cry.
We desperately need competition for Barkley. Be it as either another striker to play 2 up top, or a tricky No.10 to play the games at home where teams will sit deep.
Lukaku desperately needs some relief. To play alongside him in some games, or to replace him late on. Could Niasse be that man? For £13m you'd hope so, but nothing we've seen or coming out the club suggests he's nothing more than a massive bust.
By my count that's 6 players of first team calibre we need. And that's before you worry about potentially having to replace Lukaku or Stones.
I agree with that assessment and we need to nail four of those signings: GK, CB, DM, and a LAM/CAM(/RAM) hybrid.
I'm confident that it can be done. Defensive midfield and center back are deep positions and goalkeepers tend to be relatively cheap (although this seems to be changing in recent years).
I'm not confident that Martinez can do it, though. We need players that can adapt to the league quickly and his last big signings -- Funes Mori and Niasse -- do not fill the bill, however they turn out in the future.
Post by: Tinga on April 20, 2016, 03:50:04 AM
Post by: Cassius on April 20, 2016, 04:10:30 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/4fir3q/sky_germany_say_that_romelu_lukaku_has_been/
"Lurkaku"
"Peeping Rom"
Fucking love Reddit.
Post by: Gash on April 20, 2016, 04:26:48 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/4fir3q/sky_germany_say_that_romelu_lukaku_has_been/
Seems legit.
Post by: Hesmenos on April 21, 2016, 12:46:36 AM
He supposedly has a buy out clause of 5,5 million Euros if it is all paid in 1 sum and before the 15th of July.
Post by: Cassius on April 21, 2016, 04:04:35 AM
According to reports in Greece, Everton and West Ham are interested in Olympiakos goalkeeper Roberto. I had mentioned him in a previous thread as a good replacement for Howard. He's been brilliant for them in the Greek league and also in the Champions League where he has put in some top class performances. He was an absolute monster in their 1-0 win over Juventus (there are a few youtube videos if anyone is interested) Has also dropped a few clangers, but which goalkeeper hasn't?
He supposedly has a buy out clause of 5,5 million Euros if it is all paid in 1 sum and before the 15th of July.
Love your Greek league insight, thanks Hesmenos.
Let's be fair though, who would want to join us at the moment?!
Post by: Cozzie on April 21, 2016, 04:10:07 AM
Post by: Klown-Shoes on April 21, 2016, 04:32:38 AM
Post by: stirlingblue on April 21, 2016, 04:36:10 AM
I'd like to transfer myself to the coma unit. Saying that, there I'd have more in common with the zombies sleep walking into oblivion.
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Post by: TheRam on April 21, 2016, 04:57:17 AM
Swerve posting shite that makes no sense everywhere.
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 21, 2016, 04:58:44 AM
I'd like to transfer myself to the coma unit. Saying that, there I'd have more in common with the zombies sleep walking into oblivion.
lolol
Post by: Brownie on April 21, 2016, 08:12:49 PM
Post by: kramer0 on April 21, 2016, 08:18:50 PM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-fc-planning-move-swansea-11220446
"Everton FC planning a financially irresponsible move for 31 year old Ashley Williams -- reports"
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 21, 2016, 08:21:20 PM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-fc-planning-move-swansea-11220446
No thanks. 31 and no better than 'decent'.
Club captain and still 2 years left on his deal so wouldn't even be cheap.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 21, 2016, 08:22:57 PM
Not as good at defending but better on the ball than jags.
Better at defending than stones (currently) is but not as good on the ball.
Better than Mori in all aspects.
I'd have him in a flash for the right price.
Post by: Thomas on April 24, 2016, 06:48:10 AM
Good defender Williams.
Not as good at defending but better on the ball than jags.
Better at defending than stones (currently) is but not as good on the ball.
Better than Mori in all aspects.
I'd have him in a flash for the right price.
Same.
Post by: 74Blue on April 25, 2016, 03:14:52 AM
Post by: Sir Stealth on April 25, 2016, 03:24:04 AM
Got bitch slapped by Leicester today
Any side with real ambitions wouldn't go anywhere near him, let's hope we don't bother
Post by: Thomas on April 25, 2016, 03:35:48 AM
if were looking to continue our decline then I think Ashley Williams would be a great signing
Got bitch slapped by Leicester today
Any side with real ambitions wouldn't go anywhere near him, let's hope we don't bother
How about Scott Dann?
I know some good Liverpool fans who'd have him just as much as Blues
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 25, 2016, 03:46:02 AM
How about Scott Dann?
I know some good Liverpool fans who'd have him just as much as Blues
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Post by: TSGun on April 25, 2016, 04:08:01 AM
No disrespect meant at all but it's brought it's share of frustrations in recent years.
Post by: Heisenberg on April 25, 2016, 04:10:08 AM
Post by: 74Blue on April 25, 2016, 04:55:09 AM
The 'statement of intent' shout really annoys me. Nobody is arsed about what other clubs do, nor does it scare them. What people do notice though is moving up the league table. That goes for a new manager as wellWhen I said statement of intent, I was referring to sending a message to both the existing squad and other potential targets that we are a club that is looking to add quality rather than just bulking up the numbers and that we are a club with ambition. I don't want us to just go out and spend on any old shite just because they are available. It's going to be difficult enough without the attraction of European football to attract the type of players that we need to be targeting in order to mount a serious challenge. If you are signing shite for the sake of bringing another body in, you are sending out the message that you are prepared to simply tread water and accept mid table mediocrity.
A statement of intent is targeting the right players and going all-out to get them in.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 26, 2016, 04:09:56 AM
Him and Niasse up front next year would be sublime :snigger:
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on April 26, 2016, 08:32:54 AM
Then, in order, would be happy with any of the following...
1. Raphael Varane - REAL M. Would cost us 60 million Euro. The thought of him and Stones, each in their early 20s, as defenders with a manager who cares about defense, makes me giddy.
2. Jack Butland -STOKE. Doubt anyone could get him, but would gladly pay 40 million (a new PL record for a keeper) to nab him for the next 10-14 years.
3. Ruben Neves - PORTO. 18 years old, already a stud. Could be had for 35 million.
Post by: kramer0 on April 26, 2016, 08:44:42 AM
First rule... buy no one over age 24 and sell no one under age 24.
Then, in order, would be happy with any of the following...
1. Raphael Varane - REAL M. Would cost us 60 million Euro. The thought of him and Stones, each in their early 20s, as defenders with a manager who cares about defense, makes me giddy.
2. Jack Butland -STOKE. Doubt anyone could get him, but would gladly pay 40 million (a new PL record for a keeper) to nab him for the next 10-14 years.
3. Ruben Neves - PORTO. 18 years old, already a stud. Could be had for 35 million.
Like you say, those suggested signings are ambitious (maybe overly so) but all are potential top players*.
I couldn't agree more with your first line, though.
* I'm still a slight Butland skeptic but I definitely see what people like about him. Right now, he's way too expensive/hyped for someone with only one full top-flight season under his belt. I'd opt for one of the young Germans instead.
Post by: dekko on April 26, 2016, 02:02:53 PM
First rule... buy no one over age 24 and sell no one under age 24.
Then, in order, would be happy with any of the following...
1. Raphael Varane - REAL M. Would cost us 60 million Euro. The thought of him and Stones, each in their early 20s, as defenders with a manager who cares about defense, makes me giddy.
2. Jack Butland -STOKE. Doubt anyone could get him, but would gladly pay 40 million (a new PL record for a keeper) to nab him for the next 10-14 years.
3. Ruben Neves - PORTO. 18 years old, already a stud. Could be had for 35 million.
To pay 40mil for Butland??
We could buy 4-5 really good keepers for that much money. Get some of the Bundesliga young keepers in.
Post by: Macca77 on April 26, 2016, 02:47:14 PM
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Post by: Cereal Killer on April 27, 2016, 07:03:17 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 27, 2016, 07:10:59 PM
I doubt we will ever pay spend 40 million on a player, and rightly so.
rightly so? most top players will be over that now with the inflation.
Post by: Bluedylan on April 27, 2016, 07:19:05 PM
First rule... buy no one over age 24 and sell no one under age 24.
Then, in order, would be happy with any of the following...
1. Raphael Varane - REAL M. Would cost us 60 million Euro. The thought of him and Stones, each in their early 20s, as defenders with a manager who cares about defense, makes me giddy.
2. Jack Butland -STOKE. Doubt anyone could get him, but would gladly pay 40 million (a new PL record for a keeper) to nab him for the next 10-14 years.
3. Ruben Neves - PORTO. 18 years old, already a stud. Could be had for 35 million.
Is this a serious post?
Varane? From Real Madrid?
I think you might need to adjust your transfer radar a bit.
Post by: Lxxx on April 27, 2016, 07:23:07 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 27, 2016, 07:31:39 PM
Post by: BlueNoseMike on April 27, 2016, 10:47:58 PM
First rule... buy no one over age 24 and sell no one under age 24.
Then, in order, would be happy with any of the following...
1. Raphael Varane - REAL M. Would cost us 60 million Euro. The thought of him and Stones, each in their early 20s, as defenders with a manager who cares about defense, makes me giddy.
2. Jack Butland -STOKE. Doubt anyone could get him, but would gladly pay 40 million (a new PL record for a keeper) to nab him for the next 10-14 years.
3. Ruben Neves - PORTO. 18 years old, already a stud. Could be had for 35 million.
Mate when you're playing FM you're better taking over Stoke and getting Butland on a free and make them buy Hibbert for 20 mil. Don't go wasting money like that, looking after the finances will improve the board confidence :)
Post by: smellybum on April 27, 2016, 10:53:56 PM
First rule... buy no one over age 24 and sell no one under age 24.
Then, in order, would be happy with any of the following...
1. Raphael Varane - REAL M. Would cost us 60 million Euro. The thought of him and Stones, each in their early 20s, as defenders with a manager who cares about defense, makes me giddy.
2. Jack Butland -STOKE. Doubt anyone could get him, but would gladly pay 40 million (a new PL record for a keeper) to nab him for the next 10-14 years.
3. Ruben Neves - PORTO. 18 years old, already a stud. Could be had for 35 million.
Nah.
I doubt we will buy anybody defensively this summer. Maybe a new keeper or back up to Robles but I reckon we will concentrate on the middle of the park and frontline this summer. We have a good backline, and youth coming through they just need proper coaching and setting up. I really don't believe we will spend much t the back unless Stones goes.
Post by: Juanito on April 27, 2016, 11:09:04 PM
First rule... buy no one over age 24 and sell no one under age 24.
Then, in order, would be happy with any of the following...
1. Raphael Varane - REAL M. Would cost us 60 million Euro. The thought of him and Stones, each in their early 20s, as defenders with a manager who cares about defense, makes me giddy.
2. Jack Butland -STOKE. Doubt anyone could get him, but would gladly pay 40 million (a new PL record for a keeper) to nab him for the next 10-14 years.
3. Ruben Neves - PORTO. 18 years old, already a stud. Could be had for 35 million.
Are you in your fifth season on Champ, having guided Everton to the Champions League while also turning down the England job?
Post by: christiffa25 on April 27, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
This squad/team really doesn't need THAT much.
A quality proven manager, who can then add a couple of quality players and perhaps a couple of others and were set for next season imo.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 27, 2016, 11:49:59 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 27, 2016, 11:52:59 PM
Defo should sign Messi for £150m....Everton aren't we.....la
No one over 24!! Plus how much are we gonna have left after we we spent 100m on a defender and keeper
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 28, 2016, 12:00:02 AM
No one over 24!! Plus how much are we gonna have left after we we spent 100m on a defender and keeper
Defo put this lot as directors of football.
Andy Van Der Meyde as assistant / coke runner.
Post by: Brownie on April 28, 2016, 06:20:46 AM
Post by: Shogun on April 28, 2016, 07:03:40 AM
Stones seen at Man City's game on Tuesday according to the press. I didn't watch it so don't know if that is true
There's a picture of him sitting next to Barkley.
I'm not going to read too much into it but I think it's safe to assume we are going to be selling both of them to Man City and Moyes will buy Rodwell to replace Ross and bring Davey Weir out of retirement to shore up the defence.
Post by: Brownie on April 28, 2016, 07:44:35 AM
There's a picture of him sitting next to Barkley.
I'm not going to read too much into it but I think it's safe to assume we are going to be selling both of them to Man City and Moyes will buy Rodwell to replace Ross and bring Davey Weir out of retirement to shore up the defence.
Shit just got real
Post by: TSGun on April 28, 2016, 07:57:20 AM
There's a picture of him sitting next to Barkley.
I'm not going to read too much into it but I think it's safe to assume we are going to be selling both of them to Man City and Moyes will buy Rodwell to replace Ross and bring Davey Weir out of retirement to shore up the defence.
Nah, they where there watching Real Madrid.
Post by: Jamokachi on April 28, 2016, 10:59:13 AM
I doubt we will ever pay spend 40 million on a player, and rightly so.
You'd have said the same about 28m 5 years ago...
Post by: Trublue on April 29, 2016, 04:57:32 PM
If it doesn't happen this summer it should never happen. I wouldn't be shocked if this happens though.
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 29, 2016, 05:20:18 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/511714/Everton-Wayne-Rooney-Manchester-United
If it doesn't happen this summer it should never happen. I wouldn't be shocked if this happens though.
I've got my fingers tightly crossed that it doesn't happen full stop.
Post by: 74Blue on April 29, 2016, 11:52:38 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 30, 2016, 12:01:00 AM
Post by: The Analog Kid on April 30, 2016, 12:04:49 AM
Rooney next manager?
Fucking hell James.
Post by: Tinga on April 30, 2016, 12:06:19 AM
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2016, 12:07:45 AM
I'd love to have Rooney at Everton, it's something I've always wanted to see again.
Once a seasons enough now.
Post by: hill135 on April 30, 2016, 12:15:23 AM
Up there with the endless Moyes debate
Post by: Ridge on April 30, 2016, 12:45:28 AM
He's down the pecking order at United and you'd think both him and United would be happy to part.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 30, 2016, 01:34:29 AM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/511714/Everton-Wayne-Rooney-Manchester-United
If it doesn't happen this summer it should never happen. I wouldn't be shocked if this happens though.
From 8s to 4s. Id imagine less than a thousand pound would do that to their book
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 30, 2016, 01:37:03 AM
I think Rooney is starting to look like nearly a no brainer this summer. We've not got many players who love the club like no other, we lack experience, we don't work hard enough up top, we struggle to hold the ball up front, we lack leaders on the pitch.
He's down the pecking order at United and you'd think both him and United would be happy to part.
Our players show plenty of love for the club. That's not the problem in the slightest. Blowing up the wage structure on one, sharply declining player for sentimental reasons would be foolishness of the highest order.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 30, 2016, 01:37:44 AM
I think Rooney is starting to look like nearly a no brainer this summer. We've not got many players who love the club like no other, we lack experience, we don't work hard enough up top, we struggle to hold the ball up front, we lack leaders on the pitch.
He's down the pecking order at United and you'd think both him and United would be happy to part.
He earns 250k a week and has a very average goals output these days. It's far from a no brainer. Well unless he'll take 50k and Utd will take sub 10m
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 30, 2016, 01:44:12 AM
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Post by: sam of the south on April 30, 2016, 01:47:36 AM
Post by: minty on April 30, 2016, 02:04:06 AM
Ashley Williams would have been a good signing 3 or 4 years ago, but he's 31 now and not really a statement of intent signing.
I don't think it'd be a terrible signing. If Jagielka is on the decline and Stones leaving it could be good to have an experienced premier league center back alongside a bigger name player coming from another league.
Post by: Alanvideo on April 30, 2016, 02:09:43 AM
Post by: 74Blue on April 30, 2016, 02:15:10 AM
Rooney is ready to drop into midfield at Man U ,like the Scholes role ,so he could fill that position for us too. The salary is the problem.He's not a player that you can really see playing well into his thirties though. He's not really looked after himself over the years. He's definitely not the athletic, energetic midfielder that we should be looking at.
Post by: Alanvideo on April 30, 2016, 02:17:52 AM
He's not a player that you can really see playing well into his thirties though. He's not really looked after himself over the years. He's definitely not the athletic, energetic midfielder that we should be looking at............agreed - he's more Greggs than Giggs.
Post by: Confucius on April 30, 2016, 02:23:23 AM
I think Rooney is starting to look like nearly a no brainer this summer. We've not got many players who love the club like no other, we lack experience, we don't work hard enough up top, we struggle to hold the ball up front, we lack leaders on the pitch.
He's down the pecking order at United and you'd think both him and United would be happy to part.
As usual, I agree with pretty much every point.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on April 30, 2016, 03:40:47 AM
But it'll never happen anyway, he costs too much.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 30, 2016, 03:53:57 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 30, 2016, 03:55:42 AM
As usual, I agree with pretty much every point.
I guess that's the beauty of the Internet. Whatever type of crazy you are you can always find a kindred spirit
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 30, 2016, 03:58:19 AM
He's not a player that you can really see playing well into his thirties though. He's not really looked after himself over the years. He's definitely not the athletic, energetic midfielder that we should be looking at.I'd argue the fact he is still playing now means he has looked after himself
Most players have ten years at the top level, Rooney was a beast at 16
Ronaldo never filled out till he was 22
Now ten years at top level, that Makes Rooney a veteran and what is he? 30?
The fact he has had 14 years of high level football says he has looked after himself
Post by: Confucius on April 30, 2016, 06:20:31 AM
I guess that's the beauty of the Internet. Whatever type of crazy you are you can always find a kindred spirit
Have you found yours yet/
Post by: TheRam on April 30, 2016, 07:46:14 AM
I'd have him here in a shit.
Post by: TheRam on April 30, 2016, 07:46:48 AM
Would edit but it's a funny typo
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 30, 2016, 02:23:05 PM
Rooney is better than anything we have.
I'd have him here in a shit.
On 15m a year?
Post by: Makis on April 30, 2016, 03:00:38 PM
Post by: Brownie on April 30, 2016, 03:10:54 PM
Meant shot lol.
Would edit but it's a funny typo
Typoo even
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 30, 2016, 03:12:51 PM
Obviously he would not be paid what he gets at ManU. Probably about a third of what he now gets is about right.
Are you telling him he's giving up 10m a year. It's a bit of an nonsense saying is definitely have him and then adding on nothing like he currently earns. I'd definitely have a Ferrari (that's seen better days) for 1 third of what someone else will pay for it
Post by: Makis on April 30, 2016, 04:35:17 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 30, 2016, 04:51:57 PM
I'm telling unless he agrees to that there's no chance of him coming to Everton.
Well there's no chance then.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on April 30, 2016, 05:05:46 PM
Post by: Ridge on April 30, 2016, 11:50:17 PM
A declining Rooney and the Everton crowd is a recipe for disaster.
Toffee pudding everywhere
Post by: Gash on May 01, 2016, 06:39:00 AM
Post by: Confucius on May 01, 2016, 11:10:34 PM
Wouldn't mind a go at Morgan Schneiderlin, he's not getting that many games at Man Utd and would be a great replacement to Barry when he retires. Thought he was superb at Southampton but it's gone a bit pear shaped for him at Utd.
Good shout that.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 02, 2016, 05:22:37 AM
Good shout that.Comes down to wages again though. On £80k a week apparently and players usually expect a pay rise when they move...
Post by: kramer0 on May 04, 2016, 11:31:16 PM
I don't know anything about the player but if we're judging him by his name, he looks boss.
Post by: hill135 on May 04, 2016, 11:33:32 PM
Always seems to be invovled in their best work from the clips I've seen.
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 04, 2016, 11:34:36 PM
Rooney is better than anything we have.
I'd have him here in a shit.
Sooner have Lukaku up front with Barkley playing behind him over Rooney playing in either of those roles ahead of those 2 myself.
Post by: Danny on May 05, 2016, 12:09:08 AM
I'll be made up if we get him.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 05, 2016, 12:15:15 AM
Post by: Silas on May 05, 2016, 01:44:59 AM
Post by: Cozzie on May 05, 2016, 01:49:16 AM
All depends on who is in charge at both the mancs and us next next season.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 05, 2016, 02:02:54 AM
Not sure why people get so caught up in wages, it's not our money it's Farhad's.
I'll be made up if we get him.
Because it's not infinite and we spend it on A means we don't spend it on B. Unless you're PSG/City rich it matters and even in their case buying players worth 15m for 40m means you don't do as well as you should
Post by: Silas on May 05, 2016, 02:07:16 AM
Because it's not infinite and we spend it on A means we don't spend it on B. Unless you're PSG/City rich it matters and even in their case buying players worth 15m for 40m means you don't do as well as you should
We'll lose several players and wages it will balance out like it always does. Howard will be on good money among others.
Post by: Danny on May 05, 2016, 03:02:19 AM
Because it's not infinite and we spend it on A means we don't spend it on B. Unless you're PSG/City rich it matters and even in their case buying players worth 15m for 40m means you don't do as well as you should
Yeah but until Moshiri we see what Moshiri plans to spend then we don't know what we have available, if we signed Rooney at the start of the window i'd be excited about what's to come, obviously he doesn't have an incredible amount of money in premier league terms but he may have a large initial investment planned.
Post by: Shogun on May 05, 2016, 05:21:43 AM
Post by: sootyjrw on May 05, 2016, 01:39:07 PM
I'd hate it if he only decided when he's finished as a player at Man Utd at the end of his current deal.
It'd be massive no for me.
Post by: christiffa25 on May 05, 2016, 02:40:43 PM
For such a big outlay in both fees and wages not sure it would be the best move myself.
I wouldn't want him starting ahead of Barkley as a 10.
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 05, 2016, 02:49:00 PM
Don't know about Rooney these days. He's looking a shadow of the player he once was.Personally think for Barkley to improve he needs to not be the number ten
For such a big outlay in both fees and wages not sure it would be the best move myself.
I wouldn't want him starting ahead of Barkley as a 10.
Im not advocating a move for Rooney, more that we could do with a ten so Barkley can play deeper
Post by: christiffa25 on May 05, 2016, 03:06:31 PM
Personally think for Barkley to improve he needs to not be the number ten
Im not advocating a move for Rooney, more that we could do with a ten so Barkley can play deeper
Always believed Barkley was destined to play deeper eventually but he needs to do a lot work. Shed some of that muscle, work harder and develop a bit of a tackle.
Although I do think a new manager will bring that out in him.
Post by: MIG on May 05, 2016, 03:24:29 PM
Plus I wouldn't say he should be replacing Barkley, I think we need a change of formation. Something like this in a 4-3-3
Lukaku
Mirallas Deulofeu
Barkley Rooney
Barry
Post by: Waltzer on May 05, 2016, 04:06:52 PM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on May 05, 2016, 04:21:46 PM
Post by: Ross on May 05, 2016, 04:28:28 PM
Signing Rooney would be a massive statement and could make some of our other 'stars' stop and think about moving, plus his professionalism and drive would do wonders to the squad. Would love a front 3 of Lukaku, Barkley and Rooney next season. Forget his wages we'd make that back in shirt sales, world wide exposure etc if he wants to come its a no brainer imo.
If we're being very very generous here and say we make a £20 profit on each shirt sold from Umbro we'd need to sell 15,000 shirts a week to pay his wages. 780,000 for a years salary. For an average 4 year contract that he'd want we'd need to sell 3,120,000 shirts to cover it.
There's no way on gods earth we'd cover Rooneys wages from shirt sales. I doubt we've sold that many since the premier league started.
We've got more chance of seeing Dixie pull on a shirt than Rooney.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 05, 2016, 05:48:54 PM
Yeah but until Moshiri we see what Moshiri plans to spend then we don't know what we have available, if we signed Rooney at the start of the window i'd be excited about what's to come, obviously he doesn't have an incredible amount of money in premier league terms but he may have a large initial investment planned.
Doesn't mean we want to be committing daft money to an over the hill Rooney. We don't have that available. He's a signing for China
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 05, 2016, 05:55:48 PM
If we're being very very generous here and say we make a £20 profit on each shirt sold from Umbro we'd need to sell 15,000 shirts a week to pay his wages. 780,000 for a years salary. For an average 4 year contract that he'd want we'd need to sell 3,120,000 shirts to cover it.
There's no way on gods earth we'd cover Rooneys wages from shirt sales. I doubt we've sold that many since the premier league started.
Absolutely spot on.
Such an appalling argument the shirt sales one. We do not shift vast amounts of shirts, singing Rooney will not change that one iota. We may shift a few more units than usual to existing fans and possibly shift a couple of thousand more to your average neutral football fan but that is the absolute limit.
Also RE: World wide exposure... We are in the Premier League ffs, we aren't Prescot Cables in the Evo Stick Premier! Singing Rooney may make the back pages for a day, maybe even some follow up stories for a few weeks, that is it.
Post by: Danny on May 05, 2016, 06:08:08 PM
If we're being very very generous here and say we make a £20 profit on each shirt sold from Umbro we'd need to sell 15,000 shirts a week to pay his wages. 780,000 for a years salary. For an average 4 year contract that he'd want we'd need to sell 3,120,000 shirts to cover it.
There's no way on gods earth we'd cover Rooneys wages from shirt sales. I doubt we've sold that many since the premier league started.
We've got more chance of seeing Dixie pull on a shirt than Rooney.
You're spot on but it's not just the shirt sales normally, it's Rooney who is still a very marketable player back at his hometown club.
It would have some effect on our brand but definitely not enough to cover wages.
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 05, 2016, 06:23:25 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 05, 2016, 08:10:32 PM
Let's be honest in the unlikely even someone can make a club 200k a week in shirt sales and is good at football he's gonna want well in excess of 200k a week. Players know their worth and it's sure as hell not less than their shirt sales
Also only Everton fans want Everton shirts and they'll have 1 with Lukaku on if we don't sign Rooney. We'd make the square route of fuck all on shirts
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 05, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
I don't think he would demand those wages if he came back to Everton, I think he would happily take a significant cut. He would probably be given a post career ambassador role at the club in his contract and maybe some complimentary shares in the club. I think he will be back this summer.
You think he'd happily sign away 20 or 30m to play for Everton? You're putting him up there with le tissier and shearer in the loyalty stakes there. Possibly ahead of them. The same Rooney who couldn't leave quickly enough?
Post by: formerKHL on May 05, 2016, 08:21:36 PM
harsh !!
Post by: di_guyo on May 05, 2016, 08:23:35 PM
There's no player ever paid his way in shirt sales. It's nonsense.
Let's be honest in the unlikely even someone can make a club 200k a week in shirt sales and is good at football he's gonna want well in excess of 200k a week. Players know their worth and it's sure as hell not less than their shirt sales
Also only Everton fans want Everton shirts and they'll have 1 with Lukaku on if we don't sign Rooney. We'd make the square route of fuck all on shirts
Not wages, but transfer fees I think. Real Madrid once claimed it from Zidane and Beckham (again, if I remember correctly)...with their worldwide appeal that's feasible. You're right though, long-term monthly wages is another thing, and for a club of our stature it's a pure pipe dream.
Post by: TheTone on May 05, 2016, 08:28:01 PM
The same Rooney who couldn't leave quickly enough?
Yer what a terrible career move the lad made
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 05, 2016, 08:50:13 PM
Post by: Waltzer on May 06, 2016, 02:39:58 PM
If we're being very very generous here and say we make a £20 profit on each shirt sold from Umbro we'd need to sell 15,000 shirts a week to pay his wages. 780,000 for a years salary. For an average 4 year contract that he'd want we'd need to sell 3,120,000 shirts to cover it.
There's no way on gods earth we'd cover Rooneys wages from shirt sales. I doubt we've sold that many since the premier league started.
We've got more chance of seeing Dixie pull on a shirt than Rooney.
Im not saying it would pay for his entire wages but you need to factor everything in, shirt sells would increase, our global appeal would also. I was trying to make a point that you could offset some of it given the wider revenues the signing would capture. Would we be invited to more prestigious pre-season events etc, possible?
Is it worth paying him 50k a week more than anyone else in our squad, possibly, and there is a chance we would recoup that, I wasn't implying funding his entire contract on shirt sells as if that's the case we wouldn't ever sign anyone!!
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 06, 2016, 04:00:46 PM
I think the reason Rooneys salary is so high is because UTD have control of branding and any commercial deals for Roomey, so he can't go off and just negotiate endorsements for himself, so he could take a lower salary with Everton and be free to do that again himself which would offset some of his losses.
The big question is whether Rooney will continue to get game time at Utd, and I think he will, so why would he walk away from a £300k a week contract when he is still playing and still has another 3 years left on it?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 06, 2016, 04:23:44 PM
Im not saying it would pay for his entire wages but you need to factor everything in, shirt sells would increase, our global appeal would also. I was trying to make a point that you could offset some of it given the wider revenues the signing would capture. Would we be invited to more prestigious pre-season events etc, possible?Apparently he's on £300k + imagining rights, at Utd. So we're talking £220k more than our current top earner. Crazy numbers.
Is it worth paying him 50k a week more than anyone else in our squad, possibly, and there is a chance we would recoup that, I wasn't implying funding his entire contract on shirt sells as if that's the case we wouldn't ever sign anyone!!
Post by: charlatan on May 06, 2016, 05:23:21 PM
If we're being very very generous here and say we make a £20 profit on each shirt sold from Umbro we'd need to sell 15,000 shirts a week to pay his wages. 780,000 for a years salary. For an average 4 year contract that he'd want we'd need to sell 3,120,000 shirts to cover it.
There's no way on gods earth we'd cover Rooneys wages from shirt sales. I doubt we've sold that many since the premier league started.
We've got more chance of seeing Dixie pull on a shirt than Rooney.
We could sell 1,000,000 shirts a week, and it wouldn't cover his wages, thanks to the fuck up of a deal Elstone arranged with Kitbag
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 06, 2016, 06:57:09 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10756986/Manchester-United-made-a-smart-agreement-with-Wayne-Rooneys-new-deal.html
Quote
Rooney’s new contract does not place him on a higher basic salary such as the £300,000-a-week that has been claimed. Indeed there is understood to actually be a small drop in the £240,000-a-week he was being paid – but there is limitless scope for future earnings if he and his adviser Paul Stretford tap into United’s commercial department.
That revolutionary part of the deal has still to be formalized and exists, at present, as an understanding between the two parties rather than something that has been contractually agreed. That in itself demonstrates the goodwill that now exists which is some turnaround from last year.
In essence it means that United, by agreeing the contract, have bought the sole mandate to conduct commercial deals for Rooney. The 28-year-old cannot now go off and negotiate his own deals. If, for example, a Japanese car company want to do a separate negotiation with Rooney then they will have to deal with United.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 06, 2016, 09:04:23 PM
I can't get excited about Moshiri spending big this summer when the fact is Marc Albrighton is a much more effective player than a 'superstar' like Memphis Depay!
Being serious; I've always said that when we eventually did get investment and actually started spending money, we'd suddenly become useless in the transfer market, a la Liverpool. We're so used getting value for money from our signings, we have become accustomed to getting a £20m player for £5m. Have a horrible feeling we're going to start paying £20m for £5m players!
Post by: Ridge on May 06, 2016, 09:20:28 PM
an interesting read on Rooneys contract with Utd.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10756986/Manchester-United-made-a-smart-agreement-with-Wayne-Rooneys-new-deal.html
So essentially Rooney has negotiated out his commercial obligations and can pick and choose what he does.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 06, 2016, 09:25:26 PM
So essentially Rooney has negotiated out his commercial obligations and can pick and choose what he does.Sounds like it. Weird how the journo has spun it so it sounds like Man Utd are the winners from this deal when I'd have thought this deal structure would've been engineered by the Rooney camp, for his obvious benefit.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 06, 2016, 10:49:29 PM
So essentially Rooney has negotiated out his commercial obligations and can pick and choose what he does.
Isn't it that UTD actually have the final say in any endorsements he does?
Quote
In essence it means that United, by agreeing the contract, have bought the sole mandate to conduct commercial deals for Rooney. The 28-year-old cannot now go off and negotiate his own deals. If, for example, a Japanese car company want to do a separate negotiation with Rooney then they will have to deal with United.
Post by: Ridge on May 06, 2016, 10:56:35 PM
I'd assume from the positivity of article, that the cut of endorsements has proven to be financially beneficial.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 06, 2016, 10:59:58 PM
I think the point is that Rooney can decide if asked and United now also get a cut of any of his endorsements.
I'd assume from the positivity of article, that the cut of endorsements has proven to be financially beneficial.
Even if we could find the money to fund his wages - he'd want a decent length deal. Not sure I could handle paying a 35 year old Rooney, £300k a week!
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on May 06, 2016, 11:28:38 PM
C'mon, people... are we really looking to the future by looking in the rear view mirror? I want to look ahead, not buy back a player in the twilight of his career to salve a wound that should have healed a decade ago.
Post by: Ridge on May 06, 2016, 11:40:25 PM
But we might be able to pay something near what he's on and tell he can keep every last penny of his Ginsters endorsements and all the hairplant money.
Post by: Ross on May 07, 2016, 12:24:12 AM
He certainly won't sign for us if it's money and endorsements he's after. United is a massive global brand and he's probably sick of advertising Mongolian ear radish.
But we might be able to pay something near what he's on and tell he can keep every last penny of his Ginsters endorsements and all the hairplant money.
I can hear the adds now..
"At the end of the night I take Delta cabs home."
Or
"Need a last minute hotel? Come to The Lord Nelson Hotham Street. Competitive hourly rates and great transport links."
Post by: brap2 on May 07, 2016, 03:24:02 AM
Post by: Danny on May 07, 2016, 03:34:38 AM
Who the fuck is Ben chilwell?
Supposedly a young Leicester LB wonderkid, god knows why he'd consider leaving them this summer.
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 07, 2016, 03:55:11 AM
Who the fuck is Ben chilwell?
the shite want him
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 07, 2016, 04:26:45 AM
He certainly won't sign for us if it's money and endorsements he's after. United is a massive global brand and he's probably sick of advertising Mongolian ear radish.
But we might be able to pay something near what he's on and tell he can keep every last penny of his Ginsters endorsements and all the hairplant money.
Call me an old romantic... But I think he'd happily play for us for an above average prem wage. (much to his agents disgust).
He doesn't seem happy and hasn't done for a long time to be honest. He's won all he's going to win aside from major honours with England which (let's face it), ain't gonna happen any time soon.
I think he'd love a return to his boyhood club in the twilight of his career to give it full beans in an attempt to win something.
After all i think he'd swap all his Utd medals for one he won with Everton.
It would be the one that meant the most to him and his family.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 07, 2016, 04:50:12 AM
Yer what a terrible career move the lad made
Not saying it was. I'm saying that he's not going to give away 20m to come back and play for us even more so when we're shite
Post by: Brownie on May 07, 2016, 06:29:10 AM
Post by: Brownie on May 09, 2016, 04:35:34 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 09, 2016, 04:49:56 PM
£100m spree being mooted in the Aecho and Zmichael Keane from Burnley being touted. He was always highly regarded and is an interesting one.
awesome name ;D
Post by: Brownie on May 09, 2016, 05:03:29 PM
awesome name ;D
I love a typo
Post by: minty on May 09, 2016, 05:20:05 PM
Signing Rooney would be a massive statement and could make some of our other 'stars' stop and think about moving, plus his professionalism and drive would do wonders to the squad. Would love a front 3 of Lukaku, Barkley and Rooney next season. Forget his wages we'd make that back in shirt sales, world wide exposure etc if he wants to come its a no brainer imo.
He's a huge name because he's at Man U. As soon as he signed for us and was out of the England squad he'd be written off as a has-been and no one would be interested. What did signing Gazza, Ginola and Eto do for us?
Post by: Waltzer on May 09, 2016, 06:11:21 PM
He's a huge name because he's at Man U. As soon as he signed for us and was out of the England squad he'd be written off as a has-been and no one would be interested. What did signing Gazza, Ginola and Eto do for us?
Ginola was 35, Gascoigne and Etoo 33. Whilst I appreciate Rooney isnt a spring chicken at 30 I think its a little harsh putting him the bracket with those, who were clearly past it. He will continue to play for England for a few more years yet imo.
Post by: Trowel on May 10, 2016, 12:06:57 AM
Post by: kramer0 on May 10, 2016, 12:17:44 AM
Still, I'd prefer to see us get younger and more dynamic. We have aging players at a lot of crucial positions and I think it would be unwise to commit significant resources to an older player like Rooney.
Post by: robertdrumm1954 on May 11, 2016, 10:32:28 PM
Post by: Trowel on May 12, 2016, 01:37:12 AM
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/2869365/everton-to-bid-again-for-dynamo-kievs-andriy-yarmolenko-espn-sources
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 12, 2016, 01:38:28 AM
Post by: GLewis on May 12, 2016, 01:42:08 AM
Who is lima
Plays for Santos.
;)
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 12, 2016, 01:42:55 AM
Plays for Santos.Walked into that one
;)
Post by: Silas on May 12, 2016, 01:47:02 AM
Who is lima
A has bean
Post by: beyondblue on May 12, 2016, 03:02:11 AM
Post by: ForzaItalia on May 12, 2016, 04:22:33 AM
A has bean
That post deserved more recognition
Post by: Brownie on May 12, 2016, 11:35:46 PM
Post by: hill135 on May 12, 2016, 11:39:29 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 12, 2016, 11:45:54 PM
Post by: TheRam on May 13, 2016, 12:05:04 AM
Should be in for them regardless
Post by: KingdingalingNL on May 13, 2016, 12:08:21 AM
Post by: TSGun on May 16, 2016, 01:20:55 PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/7152391/Everton-plan-to-raid-West-Brom-for-Saido-Berahino-to-replace-Romelu-Lukaku.html
Hmmmm
Post by: Makis on May 16, 2016, 02:02:38 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on May 16, 2016, 02:11:37 PM
Also reported by the Beeb. Pulis is absolutely the worst manager for him to work under. WBA need a big, bulking forward. Berahino has issues with his attitude, but there's a lot of potential.
I'd have attitude issues if I was a small forward playing under Pulis
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 16, 2016, 02:14:40 PM
Post by: hill135 on May 16, 2016, 02:16:02 PM
And it's also not true as we don't have a manager.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 16, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
no thanks. would be a definite downgrade.
And it's also not true as we don't have a manager.
I'd assume he'd be one of at least a pair of strikers if Lukaku jets off.
Post by: christiffa25 on May 16, 2016, 02:32:42 PM
Is he a central striker or does he play from a side in a 3 usually?
Post by: GLewis on May 16, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
no thanks. would be a definite downgrade.
And it's also not true as we don't have a manager.
Depends if we're already well down the line in appointing the DoF.
Post by: Makis on May 16, 2016, 03:34:34 PM
Post by: Goaljira on May 16, 2016, 04:00:11 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on May 16, 2016, 04:36:55 PM
Post by: hill135 on May 16, 2016, 06:38:02 PM
Seems a very low price for someone who was linked with moves for twice that price last year. As said above, its not his fault Pulis doesn't play to his strengths.
Neither will we if we appoint Koeman. Man loves a target man.
Post by: stirlingblue on May 16, 2016, 11:17:32 PM
Assuming we get 60 mill for Lukaku. Berahino for 12 million and someone else for 20-25 million would still leave over 20 million for a top-class player for some other position. Doesn't sound half bad.
Assuming that you're rating Lukaku as a top class player, why do you think we can sell one for £60m and buy one for £20m?
Post by: brap2 on May 16, 2016, 11:42:32 PM
Think if you could get him working his arse off he's be an absolute baller.
Top twat though.
If lukaku goes it's embolo or bust for me I'm afraid.
Post by: dchans on May 17, 2016, 01:16:47 AM
It's a no from me
Post by: ally2 on May 17, 2016, 01:18:35 AM
Post by: kramer0 on May 17, 2016, 01:19:36 AM
If lukaku goes it's embolo or bust for me I'm afraid.
Agreed. Embolo or Batshuayi are top choices. After them, it gets dodgy.
Post by: hill135 on May 17, 2016, 01:43:58 AM
Agreed. Embolo or Batshuayi are top choices. After them, it gets dodgy.
(http://www.ahistoryofgreece.com/alexander-film.jpg)
(http://frenchdistrict.com/californie-sud/files/2013/01/ski-neige-sortie-californie-sud-los-angeles-featured.jpg)
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/men/2016/02/26/cassettealamy-large_trans++MYWXqPlKWtx9ElOI9pPj84TbQKgKpEuQJDt5A4g93-k.jpg)
Post by: Confucius on May 17, 2016, 02:07:38 AM
(http://www.ahistoryofgreece.com/alexander-film.jpg)
(http://frenchdistrict.com/californie-sud/files/2013/01/ski-neige-sortie-californie-sud-los-angeles-featured.jpg)
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/men/2016/02/26/cassettealamy-large_trans++MYWXqPlKWtx9ElOI9pPj84TbQKgKpEuQJDt5A4g93-k.jpg)
I suck so much at these. please explain..
Post by: kramer0 on May 17, 2016, 02:07:59 AM
(http://www.ahistoryofgreece.com/alexander-film.jpg)
(http://frenchdistrict.com/californie-sud/files/2013/01/ski-neige-sortie-californie-sud-los-angeles-featured.jpg)
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/men/2016/02/26/cassettealamy-large_trans++MYWXqPlKWtx9ElOI9pPj84TbQKgKpEuQJDt5A4g93-k.jpg)
I think Lacazette is a bit overrated but I wouldn't complain if we went that route.
Post by: kramer0 on May 17, 2016, 02:08:29 AM
I suck so much at these. please explain..
Alexandre Lacazette.
Post by: Confucius on May 17, 2016, 02:09:19 AM
Alexandre Lacazette.
The pic with the mountain tho?
Post by: Goaljira on May 17, 2016, 02:11:58 AM
The pic with the mountain tho?LA / Los Angeles
Post by: kramer0 on May 17, 2016, 02:12:28 AM
The pic with the mountain tho?
LA. If you look at your quote of his post, you can see that it says Los Angeles in the file name.
Cassette is what gave it away for me.
Post by: TheRam on May 17, 2016, 02:14:41 AM
Post by: Confucius on May 17, 2016, 02:19:34 AM
never mind, that is LA. Snow capped mountains in LA. Thought it was BS
Post by: ally2 on May 17, 2016, 02:20:41 AM
Post by: Confucius on May 17, 2016, 02:21:06 AM
Thought it was Salt Lake City myself.
Me too
Post by: TheRam on May 17, 2016, 02:24:07 AM
Then again, I was thinking what strikers name starts with Farell.
Post by: kramer0 on May 17, 2016, 02:28:24 AM
It's a bit long but I like it.
Post by: Confucius on May 17, 2016, 02:28:54 AM
Could've made L.A a bit easier.
Then again, I was thinking what strikers name starts with Farell.
I started there too, then thought Roman something or other
Post by: ally2 on May 17, 2016, 02:30:13 AM
Post by: GLewis on May 17, 2016, 02:47:15 AM
Roman Saltape
Greek (Macedonian)...
Post by: Cassius on May 17, 2016, 03:20:58 AM
Roman Saltape
I had Roman Van Tape, thinking it was Vancouver.
He was ace on my old Championship Manager game!
Post by: Trowel on May 17, 2016, 03:44:20 AM
Post by: brap2 on May 17, 2016, 03:49:06 AM
Post by: ally2 on May 17, 2016, 03:50:33 AM
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 03:58:10 AM
Post by: ally2 on May 17, 2016, 03:59:52 AM
Post by: Cozzie on May 17, 2016, 04:18:08 AM
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 04:40:00 AM
Cant stand Andros Townsend, he's got a proper boob head.
Nah. I hate his face.hes not my type either. i was refering more to his footy skills.
Post by: Brownie on May 17, 2016, 04:43:46 AM
how did Andros Townsend slip by us? i`m sure we could prise him away from those geordie beauts seeing as how theyre relegated now. i was always impressed by him at Tottingham
There was a Spurs fan on the 606 phone in saying selling him cost Spurs the title. I've never seen enough of him to make a judgement.
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 04:59:50 AM
There was a Spurs fan on the 606 phone in saying selling him cost Spurs the title. I've never seen enough of him to make a judgement.theyre probably right too. hes not just a squad player either so i dont know why the fuck they sold him. it just seemed like all of a sudden he was at newcastle before any speculation or anything about a receding hairline threatening his Tottenham future was mentioned, thats the only reason i can think of why Spurs would get rid and its only them as can weigh up whether the league title was worth it, who knows!
Post by: Brownie on May 17, 2016, 05:02:34 AM
theyre probably right too. hes not just a squad player either so i dont know why the fuck they sold him. it just seemed like all of a sudden he was at newcastle before any speculation or anything about a receding hairline threatening his Tottenham future was mentioned, thats the only reason i can think of why Spurs would get rid and its only them as can weigh up whether the league title was worth it, who knows!
Like I said, I've never really watched him so can't make a judgement on whether he is someone we should look at. As long as you don't mentio Jonjo Shelvey as a potential signing then that's ok
Post by: hill135 on May 17, 2016, 05:05:52 AM
(http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2014/324x324/1907898.jpg)
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/2/26/Mr._Potato_Head.png/revision/latest?cb=20160214155918)
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 05:07:25 AM
Like I said, I've never really watched him so can't make a judgement on whether he is someone we should look at. As long as you don't mentio Jonjo Shelvey as a potential signing then that's ok:laugh: i know i`m a daft twat n`all but i dont think even i would go as far as to mention that Shelfie fella.
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 17, 2016, 05:07:41 AM
Post by: Gash on May 17, 2016, 05:08:27 AM
theyre probably right too. hes not just a squad player either so i dont know why the fuck they sold him. it just seemed like all of a sudden he was at newcastle before any speculation or anything about a receding hairline threatening his Tottenham future was mentioned, thats the only reason i can think of why Spurs would get rid and its only them as can weigh up whether the league title was worth it, who knows!
He was just a squad player, he made three substitute appearances for Spurs in the league playing a total of 64 minutes and some cup games so it's not like he was having a big impact on the title run at the time, two of the three games were draws. It's probably more the fact he's not that good, certainly not for a team with top four aspirations, plus £12m was great money for Spurs to get for him.
Post by: TheRam on May 17, 2016, 05:08:48 AM
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 05:11:50 AM
New photo game: lookalikesmight be air-brushed that, his forehead looks loads bigger on the telly
(http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2014/324x324/1907898.jpg)
Post by: brap2 on May 17, 2016, 05:16:21 AM
Post by: Brownie on May 17, 2016, 05:17:04 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/612293/Revealed-hilarious-lookalikes-football
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 05:19:29 AM
He was just a squad player, he made three substitute appearances for Spurs in the league playing a total of 64 minutes and some cup games so it's not like he was having a big impact on the title run at the time, two of the three games were draws. It's probably more the fact he's not that good, certainly not for a team with top four aspirations, plus £12m was great money for Spurs to get for him.oops! i mustve seen every second of his Tottenham career, he looked good too (cept for the big fod). thanks mate. newcastle mustve seen something in him to pay 12m for him tho
Post by: hill135 on May 17, 2016, 05:19:43 AM
Post by: brap2 on May 17, 2016, 05:23:36 AM
oops! i mustve seen every second of his Tottenham career, he looked good too (cept for the big fod). thanks mate. newcastle mustve seen something in him to pay 12m for him tho
Hmm.
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 05:26:19 AM
Hmm.hmm? elaborate please squire. i genuinely think he is a good player.
Post by: hill135 on May 17, 2016, 05:28:39 AM
hmm? elaborate please squire. i genuinely think he is a good player.
Welcome to the forum Roy.
But don't you need to devote your time to whittling down your squad?
Post by: Gash on May 17, 2016, 05:34:27 AM
newcastle mustve seen something in him to pay 12m for him tho
Yeah, they were desperate.
Post by: bluefrank on May 17, 2016, 05:35:03 AM
Imagine being andros Townsend and stumbling on this thread of people discussing whether or not your boob head has been airbrushed.It could be worse, what about Nathaniel Clyne from the red shite.
Now that is what you call a barnet.
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 05:40:59 AM
Yeah, they were desperate.sure were, and getting him did fuck all for them too but i still liked the guy. when you nay-sayers catch up you will see, youre all just a bit slow on the up-take. Townsend is the future.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 17, 2016, 05:42:44 AM
sure were, and getting him did fuck all for them too but i still liked the guy. when you nay-sayers catch up you will see, youre all just a bit slow on the up-take. Townsend is the future.
The future of cutting in from the right hand side, and smashing a shot 20 yards over the bar? Agreed.
Post by: toffee_scot on May 17, 2016, 05:48:34 AM
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 05:51:51 AM
The future of cutting in from the right hand side, and smashing a shot 20 yards over the bar? Agreed.har-har. not funny. we`ve done loads worse than this, we even bought Pienaar back for more than we sold him for and he hasnt played since. maybe Tottenham take the piss and get over the odds but it takes more than just the obvious in football, its a team game and i`d` sooner have Townsend than Mirallas for starters
Post by: Brownie on May 17, 2016, 05:52:08 AM
I see Victor Anichebe has been released from West Brom :whistle:
Will do a job for a championship side
Post by: Brownie on May 17, 2016, 05:54:16 AM
har-har. not funny. we`ve done loads worse than this, we even bought Pienaar back for more than we sold him for and he hasnt played since. maybe Tottenham take the piss and get over the odds but it takes more than just the obvious in football, its a team game and i`d` sooner have Townsend than Mirallas for starters
Interestingly, Steven Pienaar has only played five games less for us in his second spell than he did in his first (permanent) spell. 76 to 71.
Post by: Ross on May 17, 2016, 05:56:35 AM
They shit their pants if there's rain on the way and the highway goes into meltdown. If they saw snow coming it would be Armageddon.
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 05:59:48 AM
Interestingly, Steven Pienaar has only played five games less for us in his second spell than he did in his first (permanent) spell. 76 to 71.jeez! never knew that, wheres the time gone?. seems like hes hardly played since he got back, its either that or i lay off the drugs a bit ............................j ust a bit.......................... .....maybe.
Post by: TSGun on May 17, 2016, 06:03:36 AM
I see Victor Anichebe has been released from West Brom :whistle:
It's a shame for Vic. Remembering the excitement when he and Vaughan were coming through as teenagers.
Thought both would make it at the time.
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 06:03:59 AM
Like fuck thats LA!most absurd, off the wall not relevant to anything in the thread post i`ve ever seen. excellent. :laugh:
They shit their pants if there's rain on the way and the highway goes into meltdown. If they saw snow coming it would be Armageddon.
Post by: Ross on May 17, 2016, 06:10:27 AM
most absurd, off the wall not relevant to anything in the thread post i`ve ever seen. excellent. :laugh:
Like my dress sense DT I'm well behind the times.
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 17, 2016, 06:38:09 AM
Post by: kramer0 on May 17, 2016, 06:42:38 AM
With Dybala seemingly the chosen starter for Juventus would anyone be adverse to a gentlemens bid for Morata?
I think his agent would laugh and hang up the phone.
Edit: Great player, though. Just way, way, way out of our league.
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 17, 2016, 06:47:25 AM
I think his agent would laugh and hang up the phone.Money talks mate apparently we are flush too.
Edit: Great player, though. Just way, way, way out of our league.
Seriously though I was reading Madrid are going to buy him back for 22 mil because of a clause and sell him on for more. He is available, if we had the right manager plus a bit of dosh nothing is impossible.
Post by: kramer0 on May 17, 2016, 06:55:41 AM
Money talks mate apparently we are flush too.
Seriously though I was reading Madrid are going to buy him back for 22 mil because of a clause and sell him on for more. He is available, if we had the right manager plus a bit of dosh nothing is impossible.
Money talks up to a point. Morata has a massive reputation already and he'll be looking for a club with a reputation to match.
@hill135 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3741) would have more insight into the situation than I would as he follows Juve closely. But I think Morata is a pipe dream given some of his excellent performances in big CL ties.
Embolo and Batshuayi haven't proven themselves to the same extent Morata has. My guess is that those two are the best we can possibly hope for.
Post by: Gash on May 17, 2016, 07:02:30 AM
sure were, and getting him did fuck all for them too but i still liked the guy. when you nay-sayers catch up you will see, youre all just a bit slow on the up-take. Townsend is the future.
It's a bleak future if that's the case.
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on May 17, 2016, 07:14:55 AM
FFP, bitches.
#timetogetreal
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 17, 2016, 07:25:24 AM
I hope someone can explain to me how we are promising Koeman £100MM for the transfer window when we are a break-even club and the most we can lose is £39MM in a year? Even if our new overlords have a trillion dollars, you can't just spend it anymore. New TV revenue will help, but not even close to that much. This isn't 2009.FFP hasn't and doesn't work.
FFP, bitches.
#timetogetreal
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on May 17, 2016, 07:34:16 AM
FFP hasn't and doesn't work.
It sure does.
Last year 15 of 20 teams were actually profitable. That has never happened before. In addition, it is flatting out team performance, which is why one can win the PL this year with 83 points, the lowest in ages.
In addition, 19 of 20 PL teams complied with rules and 1/2 of the Sky Bet, an all time record. Those who did not were fined AND given transfer window bans.
Stupid people in the press think it is not working but I bet not one of them could read a balance sheet or P&L statement if they had a tutor. It IS working. In spades.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 17, 2016, 10:40:26 AM
It sure does.I'd say the flood of TV money is the reason for your above arguments. Certainly the reason why we were in the position to reject £38m for Stones.
Last year 15 of 20 teams were actually profitable. That has never happened before. In addition, it is flatting out team performance, which is why one can win the PL this year with 83 points, the lowest in ages.
In addition, 19 of 20 PL teams complied with rules and 1/2 of the Sky Bet, an all time record. Those who did not were fined AND given transfer window bans.
Stupid people in the press think it is not working but I bet not one of them could read a balance sheet or P&L statement if they had a tutor. It IS working. In spades.
Post by: Makis on May 17, 2016, 11:45:25 AM
I hope someone can explain to me how we are promising Koeman £100MM for the transfer window when we are a break-even club and the most we can lose is £39MM in a year? Even if our new overlords have a trillion dollars, you can't just spend it anymore. New TV revenue will help, but not even close to that much. This isn't 2009.Players are not paid fully upfront.
FFP, bitches.
#timetogetreal
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 17, 2016, 12:46:16 PM
If fans of other teams read this forum they'd be pissing themselves.
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 17, 2016, 03:25:46 PM
Welcome to the forum Roy.i swear on our babies life i didnt know he`d been picked for england, just googled him now. just one of those coincidences.
But don't you need to devote your time to whittling down your squad?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 17, 2016, 03:49:27 PM
Morata... Get real ffs.
If fans of other teams read this forum they'd be pissing themselves.
Can you offer some suggestions then smart arse?
All you do is (diss)miss other peoples.
Post by: Confucius on May 17, 2016, 03:59:46 PM
Is he Lionel Ritchie's son?
Hello, is it me you looking for?
Post by: Makis on May 17, 2016, 04:12:50 PM
Can you offer some suggestions then smart arse?Well, Morata does seem out of our league. He's just today been linked with a 40 million pound move to ManU. But there are plenty of others, like Lacazette, Batshuayi, Zaza, Embolo, etc.
All you do is (diss)miss other peoples.
Post by: Shogun on May 17, 2016, 04:30:29 PM
Post by: hill135 on May 17, 2016, 05:41:46 PM
I think we can say with certainty he's not going to be playing with Everton next season.
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 17, 2016, 05:56:43 PM
Can you offer some suggestions then smart arse?
All you do is (diss)miss other peoples.
It's widely accepted that Lukaku will be off to a CL team because that is the level he wants to play at.
Someone suggests buying an equally big name (if not bigger based on the clubs he has played for) player to replace him who ALREADY plays for a CL club that also happen to win domestic honours just about every year.
As if he'd swap that for fucking Everton based on where we are at the minute. Engage the brain.
Post by: Hawkandro on May 17, 2016, 06:14:41 PM
Post by: GLewis on May 17, 2016, 06:39:26 PM
Ashley Ward anyone?
Too busy on that Cheshire housewives
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2016, 06:41:21 PM
Post by: hamshank33 on May 18, 2016, 12:56:05 AM
i swear on our babies life i didnt know he`d been picked for england, just googled him now. just one of those coincidences.hang on you've got babies with hill135 you dog..........that's why you called dirty ticket.filth😱
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 18, 2016, 01:02:36 AM
Sadio Mane?Really don't think there is any value to be had buying from other Prem teams - unless the player in questions contract is running down and the club need to sell.
For context - apparently Bournemouth rejected a £25m offer for Wilson and Richie.
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 18, 2016, 01:10:23 AM
Post by: Silas on May 18, 2016, 01:19:16 AM
i swear on our babies life i didnt know he`d been picked for england, just googled him now. just one of those coincidences.
You and Hill have a baby together? Twist!
Post by: Dirty Ticket on May 18, 2016, 03:26:14 AM
You and Hill have a baby together? Twist!
hang on you've got babies with hill135 you dog..........that's why you called dirty ticket.filth😱you pair of herberts!
Post by: Goaljira on May 18, 2016, 09:15:06 PM
Quote
Reportedly followed by Everton, 20-year-old centre-back Mauricio Lemos has attracted quite a few suitors over the span of a season split between Russia and Gran Canaria.
Bought by Rubin Kazan after a brief six-month loan spell from Defensor in Uruguay, the defender was then immediately loaned out to Liga BBVA side Las Palmas for the second half of the season.
Making nine appearances for the Spanish side during his time there, the youngster was apparently the subject of a €10m bid (£7.75m) from Everton on Monday and of a previous offer from Barcelona, which still haven’t been refused.
However, according to Cadena Cope, relayed by La Provincia, two more teams have joined the race: Monaco and Arsenal.
The Spanish radio station say Las Palmas, who will buy Lemos from Kazan for £1.5m on the 1st of July, are waiting for a better offer than Everton’s, and are expecting it to come from Arsenal.
No fee is mentioned, but whether Arsenal are prepared to pay over £8m for a youngster who has only made 27 professional appearances remains to be seen.
What? Despite not having a manager we've supposedly offered someone £8m for someone they don't yet own and will only be paying £1.5m for? Sounds like another job for Oumar Niasse's agent there.
Post by: kramer0 on May 18, 2016, 09:19:57 PM
What? Despite not having a manager we've supposedly offered someone £8m for someone they don't yet own and will only be paying £1.5m for? Sounds like another job for Oumar Niasse's agent there.
Keep: All scouting data for the new manager to use.
Burn: Martinez's shortlist of targets.
Post by: everton1952 on May 18, 2016, 09:24:58 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 19, 2016, 03:56:10 PM
Post by: hill135 on May 19, 2016, 05:27:27 PM
Was just reading a BBC article on what Liverpool need in the transfer market and what they'll go for. Really dawned on me how much competition there will be for quality players this summer. On top of the usual suspects (who all seem to be in need of massive overhauls, like ourselves) there are Spurs and Leicester offering CL football. Absolute minefield. Coupled with the fact that Niasse has ruined my faith in what has always been a great scouting network. Hope the new manager has the right connections to bring some quality in.
Yeah.
The TV deal and the manner in which transfer fees have gone mad mean we've got no idea what level of player we can actuallly hope to sign.
Before it was more predictable who was a Crystal Palace player, an Everton player or a top four player.
Post by: Goaljira on May 19, 2016, 05:29:20 PM
Was just reading a BBC article on what Liverpool need in the transfer market and what they'll go for. Really dawned on me how much competition there will be for quality players this summer. On top of the usual suspects (who all seem to be in need of massive overhauls, like ourselves) there are Spurs and Leicester offering CL football. Absolute minefield. Coupled with the fact that Niasse has ruined my faith in what has always been a great scouting network. Hope the new manager has the right connections to bring some quality in.
You forgot China flashing its cash about like a virgin in a strip club.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 19, 2016, 05:30:37 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on May 19, 2016, 06:17:36 PM
Post by: TheTone on May 19, 2016, 10:20:18 PM
gonna be a 500 pager this summer I reckon
Post by: Outworlder47 on May 19, 2016, 11:06:37 PM
What? Despite not having a manager we've supposedly offered someone £8m for someone they don't yet own and will only be paying £1.5m for? Sounds like another job for Oumar Niasse's agent there.
Have a hard time seeing how he'd qualify for a work permit. Yes, he won gold with Uruguay U23s at the PanAm Games last year, but he's got all of 20-odd first team appearances. "Exceptional talent", maybe, but that's supposedly harder to claim than it once was.
Post by: hill135 on May 20, 2016, 02:25:07 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3598657/Everton-set-sights-former-Manchester-United-goalkeeper-Pierluigi-Gollini.html
Post by: plowman2 on May 20, 2016, 02:53:55 AM
Rumours we're in for young Verona GK Gollini.with the amount of ex utd keepers that have turned out to be not that bad, it might not be a bad idea!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3598657/Everton-set-sights-former-Manchester-United-goalkeeper-Pierluigi-Gollini.html
Post by: bogie on May 20, 2016, 03:37:41 AM
Post by: Tinga on May 20, 2016, 04:19:54 AM
is it time for a summer transfer speculation sticky thread yet?
gonna be a 500 pager this summer I reckon
That avatar though.
Post by: hill135 on May 20, 2016, 04:53:38 AM
http://talksport.com/football/transfer-news-everton-defender-ramiro-funes-mori-being-eyed-lazio-and-manchester-united
Post by: TheRam on May 20, 2016, 04:59:07 AM
Lazio and Man Utd (!) after Funes Mori according to Talk Shite
http://talksport.com/football/transfer-news-everton-defender-ramiro-funes-mori-being-eyed-lazio-and-manchester-united
I can see the lazio link but United? When he still has a lot of flaws in his game. I'm not having that.
Don't want to sell him anyway.
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 20, 2016, 05:00:20 AM
I can see the lazio link but United? When he still has a lot of flaws in his game. I'm not having that.I imagine under a more defensivly sound manager/coach there is a very solid Premier League defender Ineed there somewhere.
Don't want to sell him anyway.
Post by: hill135 on May 20, 2016, 05:00:55 AM
I can see the lazio link but United? When he still has a lot of flaws in his game. I'm not having that.
Don't want to sell him anyway.
Not sure Lazio could afford him without us selling him for a loss - which we won't.
Post by: kramer0 on May 20, 2016, 05:12:50 AM
He's not worth the effort for me.
Post by: blargins on May 20, 2016, 05:26:10 AM
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2016, 05:29:33 AM
With all the player outs this summer, the answer is no.
Everyone bar are few a shite even though this is the best squad we've had in 30 years and it's all Martinez fault....
Now go figure that out.
Post by: blargins on May 20, 2016, 05:44:51 AM
Everyone bar a few a shite even though this is the best squad we've had in 30 years and it's all Martinez fault....Best squad maybe, poor team cohesion. And that was martinez fault.
Now go figure that out.
Post by: TSGun on May 20, 2016, 08:06:11 AM
Post by: Brownie on May 20, 2016, 08:19:01 AM
Nothing against Mori but if the right money came in for him I'd be really tempted to sell.
It could be very counter productive though. If Stones were to go too it would mean having to replace two first team ready centre halves with players who have to bound very quickly.
Post by: TSGun on May 20, 2016, 10:59:54 AM
It could be very counter productive though. If Stones were to go too it would mean having to replace two first team ready centre halves with players who have to bound very quickly.
Yeah I agree other things are to be considered. There'd be a strong temptation nonetheless.
One more change isn't going to make a great deal of difference.
Post by: Jay on May 20, 2016, 01:00:23 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 20, 2016, 02:02:02 PM
If someone offers us the chance to profit on Funes Mori, we should take it.
Really can't see that happening
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 20, 2016, 05:04:05 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 20, 2016, 05:34:43 PM
Before the locker room went to complete shit (and took the entire squad's form with it), Funes Mori showed some signs of being a really good player. Especially when you take adjusting to a new league AND continent into account.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 20, 2016, 05:45:26 PM
Yes. I think Funes Mori is easily worth 12m plus on the current market, and I'd rather not replace him with the Stones situation so uncertain. I do have a lot of faith in Galloway, but not to step in and start right away. Plus, Jags likely only has another 2 years left in him and we need depth.Yeah, it'd be stupid to give up on him. Give the chance to play and improve under a decent manger/coach.
Before the locker room went to complete shit (and took the entire squad's form with it), Funes Mori showed some signs of being a really good player. Especially when you take adjusting to a new league AND continent into account.
I think Huth/Morgan prove that the system/formation/philosophy is more important than raw talent, anyway!
Post by: Alanvideo on May 20, 2016, 05:56:58 PM
Yes. I think Funes Mori is easily worth 12m plus on the current market, and I'd rather not replace him with the Stones situation so uncertain. I do have a lot of faith in Galloway, but not to step in and start right away. Plus, Jags likely only has another 2 years left in him and we need depth.............F-M is a decent player and certainly his value will have risen by now. He is erratic though and probably would benefit from a better defensive coach. I wouldn't be too bothered if we sold him but now is not the time .
Before the locker room went to complete shit (and took the entire squad's form with it), Funes Mori showed some signs of being a really good player. Especially when you take adjusting to a new league AND continent into account.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 20, 2016, 05:59:53 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on May 20, 2016, 06:34:14 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-slap-23million-price-tag-8012541
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 20, 2016, 06:45:48 PM
I'd defo sell him for £23m
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-slap-23million-price-tag-8012541
Still don't see the point - we're no longer little Everton who wet our knickers if someone offers decent money for a player. Give him another season under a decent coach and hopefully he'll flourish.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 20, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Still don't see the point - we're no longer little Everton who wet our knickers if someone offers decent money for a player. Give him another season under a decent coach and hopefully he'll flourish.
Yeah it's not cos of that.
Just don't rate him that much, and think anywhere in the region of £20m + would be more than reasonable.
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 20, 2016, 06:52:55 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 20, 2016, 06:59:33 PM
Yeah it's not cos of that.
Just don't rate him that much, and think anywhere in the region of £20m + would be more than reasonable.
Fair enough. I'd rather than keep him and give him the benefit of the doubt.
This is a market where Mangala etc. are worth £35m so even with our new found riches - it's not like spending big money would guarantee quality. And buying a player who knows the league is made difficult as Prem teams are flush with cash so you'd have to pay way over the odds to prise them away.
Post by: blueski on May 20, 2016, 07:11:17 PM
Fair enough. I'd rather than keep him and give him the benefit of the doubt.yeah about that, I really don't think the £100m we have to spend is really the "war chest" being quoted about - maybe it would have been great 5 years ago and its still good money that could be used well but its hardly like when sheikh mansour came to city
This is a market where Mangala etc. are worth £35m so even with our new found riches - it's not like spending big money would guarantee quality. And buying a player who knows the league is made difficult as Prem teams are flush with cash so you'd have to pay way over the odds to prise them away.
with the uptick that's going to occur in our wage bill and the fact that beyond lukaku our forwards are useless (meaning on net we need to add one), we'll see how far it goes
Villa are spending £50m in their championship promotion bid
Post by: Bluedylan on May 20, 2016, 07:13:14 PM
yeah about that, I really don't think the £100m we have to spend is really the "war chest" being quoted about - maybe it would have been great 5 years ago and its still good money that could be used well but its hardly like when sheikh mansour came to city
with the uptick that's going to occur in our wage bill and the fact that beyond lukaku our forwards are useless (meaning on net we need to add one), we'll see how far it goes
Villa are spending £50m in their championship promotion bid
Pop £60-65m on top of that, assuming someone meets our Lukaku valuation, and that's more than enough to revamp the squad. Just don't buy from English clubs, and the money can go very far.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 20, 2016, 07:13:24 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 20, 2016, 07:13:32 PM
I'd defo sell him for £23mJesus, thats easy money
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-slap-23million-price-tag-8012541
Id defo sell for that
Post by: hill135 on May 20, 2016, 07:15:31 PM
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2016, 07:15:58 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 20, 2016, 07:23:41 PM
Pop £60-65m on top of that, assuming someone meets our Lukaku valuation, and that's more than enough to revamp the squad. Just don't buy from English clubs, and the money can go very far.Exactly - we should still be able to bully French//German/Spanish clubs etc. Although most Pem clubs will also be looking abroad for the same reason stated above.
Post by: Shogun on May 20, 2016, 08:04:48 PM
Even the shite wouldn't give us £23m for Mori.
It'd be difficult for them to accept him after the way he murderered Origi.
RIP Divock x
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2016, 08:25:39 PM
It'd be difficult for them to accept him after the way he murderered Origi.
RIP Divock x
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3rgXBygeiq2UwGgH4Y/giphy.gif)
Post by: Ell Capitan on May 20, 2016, 08:35:13 PM
Post by: Kiril84 on May 20, 2016, 08:52:15 PM
Post by: TheTone on May 20, 2016, 09:06:49 PM
That avatar though.
nice chocolate eh mate
Post by: kramer0 on May 20, 2016, 09:26:20 PM
Lazio? What about a swap deal for Stefan de Vrij...and thank you very much
My thoughts exactly. I think de Vrij is a much better defender than Funes Mori. My only concern would be that he missed most of last season with a major injury.
I doubt Lazio are foolish enough to accept such a deal but I'd sign off on it.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 20, 2016, 10:11:59 PM
My thoughts exactly. I think de Vrij is a much better defender than Funes Mori. My only concern would be that he missed most of last season with a major injury.You could argue Funes Mori would look great in Italy and vice versa.
I doubt Lazio are foolish enough to accept such a deal but I'd sign off on it.
Post by: Confucius on May 20, 2016, 10:36:20 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3rgXBygeiq2UwGgH4Y/giphy.gif)
HAHA
Post by: Alanvideo on May 21, 2016, 02:26:36 AM
Post by: caliburn53 on May 21, 2016, 08:01:48 AM
Post by: blargins on May 21, 2016, 08:15:36 AM
It's quite clear that either Fumes-Mori or Besic have to go in the close season. there just isn't enough hair gel on Merseyside to keep them both on board.
Good job we got rid of Arteta when we did.
Post by: fubarruk on May 21, 2016, 04:09:15 PM
what do you reckon trying for Sadio ManeMassively overrated, bags of pace, fuck all else.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 21, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
Post by: Cozzie on May 21, 2016, 05:12:22 PM
what do you reckon trying for Sadio Mane
Love him here, great player but will deffo move to one of the top clubs.
Post by: Ross on May 21, 2016, 06:45:22 PM
Massively overrated, bags of pace, fuck all else.
And goals. Oh yeah and assists.
But besides the goals and assists and that yeah fuck all else as you say..
Post by: Goaljira on May 21, 2016, 07:35:48 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 21, 2016, 10:05:40 PM
what do you reckon trying for Sadio ManeThey'd want a lot more than Lallana cost, put it that way. And he's on £80k a week and you'd assume he's want a decent pay rise to join us. Starts getting very expensive.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 21, 2016, 10:06:46 PM
I want us to sign Arkadiusz Milik just because of his name.Yeah, cracking name. Think Dutch teams can be bullied financially too, so it would be worth a gamble.
Post by: Alfie Noakes on May 21, 2016, 10:28:21 PM
Don't understand Everton not doing anything...
Post by: Alanvideo on May 21, 2016, 10:46:04 PM
Loris Karius going to the shite is winding me up no end............something to do with not having a manager ?
Don't understand Everton not doing anything...
Post by: Danny on May 21, 2016, 11:11:14 PM
...........something to do with not having a manager ?
Or the pulling power of a world renowned German manager to work under, let's face it unless we offered him twice the wages he isn't coming to us over Liverpool.
On Milik I wouldn't mind us signing him, used to know a lad in college (massive Everton fan) who pronounced milk as if it had an extra "i" in it so i'd be interested to hear him have a go at this.
Post by: Alfie Noakes on May 21, 2016, 11:44:48 PM
...........something to do with not having a manager ?
Surely having an excellent young keeper would fit into any incoming managers football philosophy.
But yeah, I know it's not going to happen. That's probably what annoys me so much.
Post by: Alanvideo on May 21, 2016, 11:56:17 PM
Surely having an excellent young keeper would fit into any incoming managers football philosophy.............yes you would think so but surely we won't sign anyone till a new manager is appointed and will have his own shopping list.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 23, 2016, 12:31:40 AM
Post by: hill135 on May 23, 2016, 12:34:09 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 23, 2016, 12:41:28 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wayne-rooney-its-time-everton-11369723
YES please!
Post by: stirlingblue on May 23, 2016, 03:02:04 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wayne-rooney-its-time-everton-11369723
I read this as Wayne Rooney - "It's time, Everton" like it was some sort of come get me plea!
Post by: hill135 on May 23, 2016, 04:09:01 PM
Could the two Manchester clubs get involved in a tug of war over him I wonder.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 23, 2016, 04:13:35 PM
Lukaku I'm happy to sell for £56m+.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 23, 2016, 04:18:13 PM
Also, I'd like the new manager to make these calls, rather than selling them before he comes in and giving him the money. Maybe it won't make a difference with Rom and a move's already in the offing, but say we got Emery, I'd like the club to let him decide the future of Stones. He might really want to keep him, and be able to convince him to stay and build around him.
Conversely, he might say 'ok, take £40m' or whatever, but he should have a big say in that ideally.
Post by: Danny on May 23, 2016, 04:22:50 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 23, 2016, 04:28:15 PM
I can see him being with us for another few seasons atleast. Unless Maureen pushes the boat out for him at Utd.
Post by: sirblue57 on May 23, 2016, 04:36:06 PM
but think both will be gone before next season sadly.
Post by: Lxxx on May 23, 2016, 04:48:16 PM
It may not be the worst decision in the world to take c£100m for Stones and Lukaku and move on. It's an obscene amount of money whichever way you look at it, on top of our already sizeable budget, and would provide a new manager a decent platform on which to build something.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 23, 2016, 05:52:32 PM
if I could keep either Lukaku or Stones, it would have to be Lukaku for me, we need a 20 goal a season striker much more than a defender.
but think both will be gone before next season sadly.
agreed. Especially if City are sniffing around Stones, that's where the money is.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 23, 2016, 05:55:01 PM
The Guardian saying Mourinho is targeting John Stones at Man Utd.
Could the two Manchester clubs get involved in a tug of war over him I wonder.
Ego-fueled bidding war would be nice. Add that to what we already have to spend, you could create a real monster of a team around Big Rom if the new manager can convince him.
Post by: The Analog Kid on May 23, 2016, 05:55:55 PM
I think Stones has passed the point of no return in a lot of pundits eyes. Every error will be highlighted and criticised and related back to him not playing for a big club. His agent and him may feel the same.
It may not be the worst decision in the world to take c£100m for Stones and Lukaku and move on. It's an obscene amount of money whichever way you look at it, on top of our already sizeable budget, and would provide a new manager a decent platform on which to build something.
Stones has the potential and ability to silence the boo boys and the media by regaining what he came to us with. Hopefullly he'll stay and do that. Lukaku's mind is already made up, I don't think there's any persuading him.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 23, 2016, 06:06:46 PM
Think people are in for a shock regarding just how much average players will go for this season - it will only confirm Stones is a £50m+ player in the current market.
Post by: Cassius on May 23, 2016, 06:43:41 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 23, 2016, 06:56:30 PM
Crazy how Stones, a 21 year old playing in a position that takes a long time to mature in, gets roundly slaughtered, yet there's largely silence around Gary Cahill, who is garbage.
He plays for Chelski so he's excused.
Post by: stirlingblue on May 23, 2016, 07:39:11 PM
I've changed my mind a little bit on John Stones recently, I don't think we should sell him.
Lukaku I'm happy to sell for £56m+.
Interestingly specific, you wouldn't take £55m then?
Post by: Toddacelli on May 23, 2016, 07:41:12 PM
Interestingly specific, you wouldn't take £55m then?
£55M with add-ons
Post by: The Analog Kid on May 23, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
Crazy how Stones, a 21 year old playing in a position that takes a long time to mature in, gets roundly slaughtered, yet there's largely silence around Gary Cahill, who is garbage.
Add Chris Smalling to that. He's shit an'all.
Post by: Goaljira on May 23, 2016, 10:04:55 PM
Post by: blueToffee on May 23, 2016, 10:13:08 PM
Add Chris Smalling to that. He's shit an'all.
Not sure about shit but I think his stock has been hugely boosted by the presence of De Gea behind him and LVG's safety first, conservative leaning philosophy. He needs another season or two of consistent performances for me to really change my mind on him. Likely under Mourinho he'll have that chance though as he's another manager who will focus a lot on his defence.
Never been overly convinced by Gary Cahill. Very average at best.
Post by: Hawkandro on May 23, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 23, 2016, 10:20:51 PM
Mourinho was clearly pissed off that Chelsea couldn't get him and it would be a huge statement if Utd could land him.
Like lukaku, the ball is in our court with this.
Post by: hill135 on May 23, 2016, 11:57:02 PM
Linked by a French website to a £10m offer for Lille right-back Djibril Sidibe. Again, to be filed under the 'made-up shite' tab as they still seem to fail to grasp the concept that we still don't currently have a manager....
That's the most generic African footballer name I've ever heard. He sounds made up!
Post by: ally2 on May 24, 2016, 12:31:11 AM
Post by: Trowel on May 24, 2016, 04:44:32 AM
1. £40m.
2. Joe Hart.
3. The S*n.
4. About 100 days left of the transfer window and this bullshit.
Post by: Jay on May 24, 2016, 05:17:35 AM
Joe Hart, £40 mil
Know which I would prefer.
Post by: Rhys on May 24, 2016, 06:07:21 AM
Yet smalling on Saturday in the final was awful, made a load of mistakes got 2 stupid bookings and should have cost United the trophy. He is meant to be the best England centre back at the moment and nothing is mentioned. If we'd been in the final and stones had given a pass away in our half the whole pundit panel would have been going if that was in the euros England could be out because of him he needs to learn. Yet smalling gets ignored and move on.
Not saying they should go over the top and slaughter smalling because he has had a good season and it's ultimately one game. It's just the ignorance of that and because it is flavour of the month to criticise what stones might do wrong. Yes he has things to learn and i think he will over the coming years, but he is 21 with 100 top level games behind him at centre back what happened to the countries (and some sections of our fans) attitude of let's let him develop guide him in the right way and not try and force the proactive footballer he is out of him and ruin what could make him one of the very best of his generation in his position?
There is a way of coaching and guiding him, on the training ground with the manager and coaches and on the pitch with his team mates. Certainly not every man and his dog having a pop at every slight thing he does wrong. Lee Dixon even tried to blame him on Sunday for danny rose not holding his position properly saying stones should have seen rose making a mistake coming. Can't spend all game assuming someone is going to mess up, mind you maybe you should when next to danny rose.
Post by: Brownie on May 24, 2016, 06:09:52 AM
Post by: christiffa25 on May 24, 2016, 06:11:34 AM
That's got to be the craziest rumour I've ever heard!
Maybe we are getting Pelligrini !!
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 24, 2016, 06:12:01 AM
Would anyone fancy a cheeky bid for Jack Grealish?
He was meant to be great for the U21s tonight.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 24, 2016, 06:13:07 AM
With stones what I find bizarre is that every thing that could be classed as half error gets pounced upon. Or anytime takes a slight risk its get labelled what happened if he had lost it??
Yet smalling on Saturday in the final was awful, made a load of mistakes got 2 stupid bookings and should have cost United the trophy. He is meant to be the best England centre back at the moment and nothing is mentioned. If we'd been in the final and stones had given a pass away in our half the whole pundit panel would have been going if that was in the euros England could be out because of him he needs to learn. Yet smalling gets ignored and move on.
Not saying they should go over the top and slaughter smalling because he has had a good season and it's ultimately one game. It's just the ignorance of that and because it is flavour of the month to criticise what stones might do wrong. Yes he has things to learn and i think he will over the coming years, but he is 21 with 100 top level games behind him at centre back what happened to the countries (and some sections of our fans) attitude of let's let him develop guide him in the right way and not try and force the proactive footballer he is out of him and ruin what could make him one of the very best of his generation in his position?
There is a way of coaching and guiding him, on the training ground with the manager and coaches and on the pitch with his team mates. Certainly not every man and his dog having a pop at every slight thing he does wrong. Lee Dixon even tried to blame him on Sunday for danny rose not holding his position properly saying stones should have seen rose making a mistake coming. Can't spend all game assuming someone is going to mess up, mind you maybe you should when next to danny rose.
Totally agree. It's a confirmation bias thing with the media and Stones now. They're pinning everything on the lad. The only thing that will change that paradigm in their eyes, unless he's has a notably fantastic Euros, will be a move to a 'top' club at which point any half decent performance by the lad will be met by narratives of a new manager saving his game and/or more than likely something to the tune of 'he needed to leave Everton to become a proper player'.
Post by: Rhys on May 24, 2016, 06:13:32 AM
Would anyone fancy a cheeky bid for Jack Grealish?
I like what he could be, really intelligent footballer and would fit a pienaar type replacement player for the left well?
However he has done more in his career so far off the pitch than he has on it. Falling asleep in the road on holiday last summer, making headlines was one thing. Young, in the summer let his hair down he makes a mistake, ok. Then going on a 2 day bender after losing 4-0 to us turning up to training Monday morning having not been to bed since drunk and stumbling all over the place when the team are heading towards relegation.
Doesn't sound like the type of character who is going to make the most of his talent. He might sort himself out and someone get a player, I wouldn't want us to take that gamble. His best chance in my opinion is staying with villa and being a star in the championship, coming back up and having a fresh start and confidence to have another go in the premier league.
Post by: christiffa25 on May 24, 2016, 06:17:47 AM
With stones what I find bizarre is that every thing that could be classed as half error gets pounced upon. Or anytime takes a slight risk its get labelled what happened if he had lost it??
Yet smalling on Saturday in the final was awful, made a load of mistakes got 2 stupid bookings and should have cost United the trophy. He is meant to be the best England centre back at the moment and nothing is mentioned. If we'd been in the final and stones had given a pass away in our half the whole pundit panel would have been going if that was in the euros England could be out because of him he needs to learn. Yet smalling gets ignored and move on.
Not saying they should go over the top and slaughter smalling because he has had a good season and it's ultimately one game. It's just the ignorance of that and because it is flavour of the month to criticise what stones might do wrong. Yes he has things to learn and i think he will over the coming years, but he is 21 with 100 top level games behind him at centre back what happened to the countries (and some sections of our fans) attitude of let's let him develop guide him in the right way and not try and force the proactive footballer he is out of him and ruin what could make him one of the very best of his generation in his position?
There is a way of coaching and guiding him, on the training ground with the manager and coaches and on the pitch with his team mates. Certainly not every man and his dog having a pop at every slight thing he does wrong. Lee Dixon even tried to blame him on Sunday for danny rose not holding his position properly saying stones should have seen rose making a mistake coming. Can't spend all game assuming someone is going to mess up, mind you maybe you should when next to danny rose.
It's what happens when young players don't play for One of the darling clubs mate.
Everytime Barkley loses the ball (which in comparison is not much) there all over him. Yet Rooney Wiltshire and a string of others can do it and nothing is said.
They will turn on deli alli before long!
How sterling has got away with no critism is behond me.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 24, 2016, 07:16:57 AM
It's what happens when young players don't play for One of the darling clubs mate.
Everytime Barkley loses the ball (which in comparison is not much) there all over him. Yet Rooney Wiltshire and a string of others can do it and nothing is said.
They will turn on deli alli before long!
How sterling has got away with no critism is behond me.
I imagine a Wilt Shire is a region of Middle-Earth where Hobbits go to die.
Post by: howard1334 on May 24, 2016, 07:47:51 AM
With stones what I find bizarre is that every thing that could be classed as half error gets pounced upon. Or anytime takes a slight risk its get labelled what happened if he had lost it??
Yet smalling on Saturday in the final was awful, made a load of mistakes got 2 stupid bookings and should have cost United the trophy. He is meant to be the best England centre back at the moment and nothing is mentioned. If we'd been in the final and stones had given a pass away in our half the whole pundit panel would have been going if that was in the euros England could be out because of him he needs to learn. Yet smalling gets ignored and move on.
Not saying they should go over the top and slaughter smalling because he has had a good season and it's ultimately one game. It's just the ignorance of that and because it is flavour of the month to criticise what stones might do wrong. Yes he has things to learn and i think he will over the coming years, but he is 21 with 100 top level games behind him at centre back what happened to the countries (and some sections of our fans) attitude of let's let him develop guide him in the right way and not try and force the proactive footballer he is out of him and ruin what could make him one of the very best of his generation in his position?
There is a way of coaching and guiding him, on the training ground with the manager and coaches and on the pitch with his team mates. Certainly not every man and his dog having a pop at every slight thing he does wrong. Lee Dixon even tried to blame him on Sunday for danny rose not holding his position properly saying stones should have seen rose making a mistake coming. Can't spend all game assuming someone is going to mess up, mind you maybe you should when next to danny rose.
He is shite though.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 24, 2016, 01:09:19 PM
With stones what I find bizarre is that every thing that could be classed as half error gets pounced upon. Or anytime takes a slight risk its get labelled what happened if he had lost it??
Yet smalling on Saturday in the final was awful, made a load of mistakes got 2 stupid bookings and should have cost United the trophy. He is meant to be the best England centre back at the moment and nothing is mentioned. If we'd been in the final and stones had given a pass away in our half the whole pundit panel would have been going if that was in the euros England could be out because of him he needs to learn. Yet smalling gets ignored and move on.
Not saying they should go over the top and slaughter smalling because he has had a good season and it's ultimately one game. It's just the ignorance of that and because it is flavour of the month to criticise what stones might do wrong. Yes he has things to learn and i think he will over the coming years, but he is 21 with 100 top level games behind him at centre back what happened to the countries (and some sections of our fans) attitude of let's let him develop guide him in the right way and not try and force the proactive footballer he is out of him and ruin what could make him one of the very best of his generation in his position?
There is a way of coaching and guiding him, on the training ground with the manager and coaches and on the pitch with his team mates. Certainly not every man and his dog having a pop at every slight thing he does wrong. Lee Dixon even tried to blame him on Sunday for danny rose not holding his position properly saying stones should have seen rose making a mistake coming. Can't spend all game assuming someone is going to mess up, mind you maybe you should when next to danny rose.
When stones eventually moves on to another prem club he will be allowed to make those mistakes for England as part of his development......
Post by: christiffa25 on May 24, 2016, 01:33:37 PM
I imagine a Wilt Shire is a region of Middle-Earth where Hobbits go to die.
Dam predictive wording on my phone!!
Post by: Cassius on May 24, 2016, 03:00:38 PM
I like what he could be, really intelligent footballer and would fit a pienaar type replacement player for the left well?
However he has done more in his career so far off the pitch than he has on it. Falling asleep in the road on holiday last summer, making headlines was one thing. Young, in the summer let his hair down he makes a mistake, ok. Then going on a 2 day bender after losing 4-0 to us turning up to training Monday morning having not been to bed since drunk and stumbling all over the place when the team are heading towards relegation.
Doesn't sound like the type of character who is going to make the most of his talent. He might sort himself out and someone get a player, I wouldn't want us to take that gamble. His best chance in my opinion is staying with villa and being a star in the championship, coming back up and having a fresh start and confidence to have another go in the premier league.
I think he's lacked a strong manager at an important stage of his development.
The issues at Villa this season have been so widespread and part of that has been a lack of strong leadership from top down. Grealish, Lescott, Agbonlahor are three examples of players openly defying club policies on more than one occasion.
His Dad hasn't helped either, riding off the back of his son's celebrity and expanding his ego on a daily basis. Grealish needs to decide whether he wants to become an elite footballer and commit to it, or a sideshow.
Moving to a new club, away from the Midlands, at this point in his career is probably the best thing for him. Otherwise he'll become Lee Hendrie II.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 24, 2016, 04:12:14 PM
Post by: TheTone on May 24, 2016, 04:29:09 PM
You know Mourinho will bin him off again
Always prefer Mata in the number 10 role, not on the wings
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 24, 2016, 05:23:38 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 24, 2016, 05:29:50 PM
would anyone be averse to a bit of Juan Mata?
You know Mourinho will bin him off again
Always prefer Mata in the number 10 role, not on the wings
And Barkley plays where?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 24, 2016, 05:46:18 PM
HE's got a touch of the Jermaine Pennant's about him.
aye, but that's gotta be better than a touch of the Adam Johnson's tho.
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2016, 06:24:25 PM
aye, but that's gotta be better than a touch of the Adam Johnson's tho.
Sounds like the title of an "unofficial" biography.
Post by: TheTone on May 24, 2016, 07:10:27 PM
And Barkley plays where?
he doesn't, he sits on the bench and learns from Mata
Post by: Danny on May 24, 2016, 07:16:21 PM
he doesn't, he sits on the bench and learns from Mata
Is that you Jose?
Post by: TheTone on May 24, 2016, 07:21:25 PM
Is that you Jose?
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llczzrs7Y01qixy8k.gif)
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 24, 2016, 07:39:55 PM
he doesn't, he sits on the bench and learns from Mata
Learn what from him exactly?
How not to impose himself on a game unless we're already 2-0 up against poor opposition that has given up? Or how to effectively hide in big games maybe?
Post by: TheTone on May 24, 2016, 07:52:37 PM
Learn what from him exactly?
How not to impose himself on a game unless we're already 2-0 up against poor opposition that has given up? Or how to effectively hide in big games maybe?
Barkley has learned that already and is really good at it
Post by: kramer0 on May 24, 2016, 07:56:57 PM
Post by: Fynci on May 24, 2016, 10:58:07 PM
Mata is good but he's 28. Unless United are giving him away, it would be a bad value signing.
Is resale value still a requirement? I don't want Moshiri to throw his money away but I also feel that we should be adding players that can put us in the running for European places.
Post by: kramer0 on May 24, 2016, 11:06:36 PM
Is resale value still a requirement? I don't want Moshiri to throw his money away but I also feel that we should be adding players that can put us in the running for European places.
Resale value isn't a major concern, like you say. What is a concern is that we'd be signing a player with few prime years left and bringing him into a squad that's already pretty old (Lukaku, Barkley, Stones, and Deulofeu do not make us young. They help but they don't compensate for an older core.). This Everton squad needs to get younger and more dynamic overall.
Mata would be a good signing for a club that needs one or two more players to put them over the top, not one that needs the amount of work ours does. If he's available for a nominal fee, he'd be worth it, but otherwise, we're better investing in younger players with more room to grow and more prime years to eventually give.
Post by: The Analog Kid on May 24, 2016, 11:06:43 PM
With stones what I find bizarre is that every thing that could be classed as half error gets pounced upon. Or anytime takes a slight risk its get labelled what happened if he had lost it??
Yet smalling on Saturday in the final was awful, made a load of mistakes got 2 stupid bookings and should have cost United the trophy. He is meant to be the best England centre back at the moment and nothing is mentioned. If we'd been in the final and stones had given a pass away in our half the whole pundit panel would have been going if that was in the euros England could be out because of him he needs to learn. Yet smalling gets ignored and move on.
Not saying they should go over the top and slaughter smalling because he has had a good season and it's ultimately one game. It's just the ignorance of that and because it is flavour of the month to criticise what stones might do wrong. Yes he has things to learn and i think he will over the coming years, but he is 21 with 100 top level games behind him at centre back what happened to the countries (and some sections of our fans) attitude of let's let him develop guide him in the right way and not try and force the proactive footballer he is out of him and ruin what could make him one of the very best of his generation in his position?
There is a way of coaching and guiding him, on the training ground with the manager and coaches and on the pitch with his team mates. Certainly not every man and his dog having a pop at every slight thing he does wrong. Lee Dixon even tried to blame him on Sunday for danny rose not holding his position properly saying stones should have seen rose making a mistake coming. Can't spend all game assuming someone is going to mess up, mind you maybe you should when next to danny rose.
Like I said in another thread, Smalling is shit. He gets away with murder in terms of media floggings and commentator criticism.
Decent post.
Post by: blargins on May 24, 2016, 11:11:03 PM
Resale value isn't a major concern, like you say. What is a concern is that we'd be signing a player with few prime years left and bringing him into a squad that's already pretty old (Lukaku, Barkley, Stones, and Deulofeu do not make us young. They help but they don't compensate for an older core.). This Everton squad needs to get younger and more dynamic overall.
Mata would be a good signing for a club that needs one or two more players to put them over the top, not one that needs the amount of work ours does. If he's available for a nominal fee, he'd be worth it, but otherwise, we're better investing in younger players with more room to grow and more prime years to eventually give.
We also need players who are in their prime now, not having to wait a couple of years for it. Whether Mata is that player we need or not, is another mata, I mean matter altogether.
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2016, 11:14:42 PM
At times it sounds like Fergie would have struggled to keep us up.
Post by: brap2 on May 25, 2016, 12:41:56 AM
Post by: benny on May 25, 2016, 01:01:20 AM
We also need players who are in their prime now, not having to wait a couple of years for it. Whether Mata is that player we need or not, is another mata, I mean matter altogether.
funny that :snigger:
Post by: plowman2 on May 25, 2016, 02:20:32 AM
Mata is good but he's 28. Unless United are giving him away, it would be a bad value signing.Speaks the same language as Pellegrini though. :)
Post by: kramer0 on May 25, 2016, 02:24:26 AM
Speaks the same language as Pellegrini though. :)
He would actually be a perfect fit for Pellegrini's preferred system.
Post by: plowman2 on May 25, 2016, 02:30:36 AM
He would actually be a perfect fit for Pellegrini's preferred system.True, but, although I would be pleased with Pelligrini, I'm with you on Bielsa as first choice.
Post by: kramer0 on May 25, 2016, 02:39:34 AM
True, but, although I would be pleased with Pelligrini, I'm with you on Bielsa as first choice.
I think Bielsa would produce the most exciting football and that we'd take to his passion and intensity very quickly. Sadly, it doesn't seem like he's anywhere in the running, though.
In case you haven't read much about him... Emery seems to have a little bit of Bielsa about him. Apparently, he's obsessive about watching and analyzing match footage and his match preparation is meticulous. He's not as committed to pressing (who is?) but he seems a bit more adaptable w/r/t tactics which might even make him a better fit.
Sorry for the transfer talk interruption, everyone! Back to transfers...
Post by: Confucius on May 25, 2016, 03:00:54 AM
I think Bielsa would produce the most exciting football and that we'd take to his passion and intensity very quickly. Sadly, it doesn't seem like he's anywhere in the running, though.
In case you haven't read much about him... Emery seems to have a little bit of Bielsa about him. Apparently, he's obsessive about watching and analyzing match footage and his match preparation is meticulous. He's not as committed to pressing (who is?) but he seems a bit more adaptable w/r/t tactics which might even make him a better fit.
Sorry for the transfer talk interruption, everyone! Back to transfers...
So you want a watered down Klopp? Or a poor man's klopp?
Post by: kramer0 on May 25, 2016, 03:05:43 AM
So you want a watered down Klopp? Or a poor man's klopp?
Watered down / poor man's in what sense?
Post by: Confucius on May 25, 2016, 03:16:14 AM
Watered down / poor man's in what sense?Sounds like Klopp but not quite klopp
Very intense, likes the pressing game and absolute fitness. So pretty much similar to our fiend across the park?
Post by: Makis on May 25, 2016, 03:24:02 AM
Post by: kramer0 on May 25, 2016, 03:24:20 AM
Sounds like Klopp but not quite klopp
Very intense, likes the pressing game and absolute fitness. So pretty much similar to our fiend across the park?
Sure, but I don't see why that makes him watered down. He is maybe the most influential manager in the world; Guardiola and Pochettino are among his famous disciples.
Here's a summary of pressing and how it's used in European football. I don't expect you to read it all but a big takeaway is this -- most of the world's best managers use it in some form, including Mourinho and Simeone.
http://theinsidechannel.com/guide-pressing-soccer-tactics/ (http://theinsidechannel.com/guide-pressing-soccer-tactics/)
Most of these top managers also care deeply about fitness, for what it's worth.
Post by: ihatecollina on May 25, 2016, 03:42:56 AM
Sounds like Klopp but not quite klopp
Very intense, likes the pressing game and absolute fitness. So pretty much similar to our fiend across the park?
I see what you did there
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 25, 2016, 04:01:47 AM
Thinking this will be good for Super Kev as well.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 25, 2016, 04:31:06 AM
I think Bielsa would produce the most exciting football and that we'd take to his passion and intensity very quickly. Sadly, it doesn't seem like he's anywhere in the running, though.Apparently is a bit of a sociopath and soon alienates his players and chairmen as he treats them like cattle. Gets his teams playing great stuff but then it all implodes because he's a shocking man manager and has trouble building relationships with human beings.
In case you haven't read much about him... Emery seems to have a little bit of Bielsa about him. Apparently, he's obsessive about watching and analyzing match footage and his match preparation is meticulous. He's not as committed to pressing (who is?) but he seems a bit more adaptable w/r/t tactics which might even make him a better fit.
Sorry for the transfer talk interruption, everyone! Back to transfers...
Post by: Ross on May 25, 2016, 04:46:45 AM
@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)
Post by: kramer0 on May 25, 2016, 05:29:49 AM
So hang on here Bielsa is okay even though he's won nothing but managed in Spain and France with very mixed results, but de Boer isn't good enough even though he's won titles and played top level football himself?
@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)
Yes, I like Bielsa. I enjoy the way his teams play and I admire his intensity and depth of knowledge of the game. His approach took Athletic Bilbao to a Europa League final and had Marseille in the title race until injuries and small-squad fatigue set in. His track record doesn't necessarily speak for itself but he's a genius who's revered by some of the world's best managers.
I've never said de Boer isn't good enough. I have said that I don't want him because it's an unnecessary risk to hire someone who's never made a successful transition between jobs, especially when that person is coming from a smaller league (like the Eredivisie or Primeira Liga). The alleged predictability of his tactics and his demonstrated lack of success in Europe don't make him any more attractive.
Bielsa has successfully taken his approach to national teams (Argentina, Chile) and European clubs (Athletic, Marseille) and taken all of those teams (except maybe Argentina) close to the sun before broken promises from presidents and chairmen forced him out. The continuation of his approach actually won Chile their first Copa America last year (under Jorge Sampaoli, who is also worth considering for the job).
We all rate different managers differently and I don't expect anyone to agree with my assessment of the situation. But that's why I like Bielsa and don't like de Boer.
And what does de Boer playing top level football have to do with anything? Plenty of crap footballers are good managers and plenty of good footballers are crap managers.
Post by: brap2 on May 25, 2016, 06:00:00 AM
Post by: toffee_scot on May 25, 2016, 06:00:35 AM
Post by: kramer0 on May 25, 2016, 06:11:32 AM
I just worry that de boer's football was supposed to be quite anti-Ajax and a bit of a fucking bore fest.
From what I've read, his approach is highly effective defensively (check Ajax's goals against this season for proof) but very one-dimensional in attack. I'm definitely not prepared for another tactically predictable manager.
If de Boer had a history of getting results at different clubs or had demonstrated some ability to win against different styles in Europe, I'd feel a lot better about him.
Post by: kramer0 on May 25, 2016, 09:00:08 PM
Karius to the RS for £4.7m and Viktor Fischer to Boro for £3.8m. Both low risk (money-wise) with the potential to pay massive dividends.
It's essential to get the manager right first but it's hard watching other clubs get great value in the market while our hands are tied.
It also pisses me off that we spent £23m on Funes Mori and Niasse. Awful business. The next man in charge should know better. Given enough time, Martinez would have saddled the club with Aston Villa levels of crap players from smaller leagues on fees too high to justify the risk.
Post by: Bigjmill on May 25, 2016, 09:18:41 PM
At a dinner talk Joe Royal was less jokey about Niasse and reckons "there is a real player in there 'no a messi' but defo a player!"
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 25, 2016, 09:21:15 PM
We're missing out on opportunities for very good deals by not having a manager.
Karius to the RS for £4.7m and Viktor Fischer to Boro for £3.8m. Both low risk (money-wise) with the potential to pay massive dividends.
It's essential to get the manager right first but it's hard watching other clubs get great value in the market while our hands are tied.
It also pisses me off that we spent £23m on Funes Mori and Niasse. Awful business. The next man in charge should know better. Given enough time, Martinez would have saddled the club with Aston Villa levels of crap players from smaller leagues on fees too high to justify the risk.
Think that's half right. But there are good clubs sniffing around Funes Mori already. We'd make an instant profit off him.
Post by: Bigjmill on May 25, 2016, 10:57:11 PM
Think that's half right. But there are good clubs sniffing around Funes Mori already. We'd make an instant profit off him.
We dont need to make a profit... we are minted!
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 25, 2016, 11:37:07 PM
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on May 27, 2016, 12:51:55 PM
Not every player we get needs to be super expensive.
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on May 27, 2016, 12:55:28 PM
We're missing out on opportunities for very good deals by not having a manager.
Karius to the RS for £4.7m and Viktor Fischer to Boro for £3.8m. Both low risk (money-wise) with the potential to pay massive dividends.
I can't believe we did not get Karius. Or even try!! This guy has excellent stats, has been the best German keeper at every age group he has ever existed in... we could have added 3-6 table points every year for 10 years with him on our team for peanuts. I am not happy we just fell asleep at the wheel on this.
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 27, 2016, 01:51:08 PM
There is a pretty good winger from Norwich available for £15M... age 22, lots of upside... Nathan Redmond. Probably their best player.
Not every player we get needs to be super expensive.
??? Not every player needs to be super expensive? Right after you've suggested £15m for Nathan Redmond?!
Is that you Delia?
Post by: Alanvideo on May 27, 2016, 01:59:59 PM
There is a pretty good winger from Norwich available for £15M... age 22, lots of upside... Nathan Redmond. Probably their best player............we were linked with him 3 years ago for £2m.
Not every player we get needs to be super expensive.
Post by: ally2 on May 27, 2016, 02:02:04 PM
Post by: Makis on May 27, 2016, 02:51:35 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on May 27, 2016, 05:21:15 PM
Let's get Emery in and buy Konoplyanka instead.
I was thinking that, but then he had a go at the player following their loss at the weekend, so it may be another Geri situation there. Vitolo looks decent too.
Post by: Rhys on May 27, 2016, 05:29:40 PM
Just a note on the Niasse thing:
At a dinner talk Joe Royal was less jokey about Niasse and reckons "there is a real player in there 'no a messi' but defo a player!"
How many bottles of red had been sunk by that point??
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on June 03, 2016, 07:29:59 AM
Post by: Brownie on June 03, 2016, 05:45:50 PM
Post by: Redartin on June 03, 2016, 06:01:23 PM
We get income like tv money which we can use, as can all teams, but what are the rules about pumping non income into teams?
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 06:06:14 PM
Chelsea going after Benteke instead of Lukaku is today's storyThat would be a kick in the cock for Lukaku
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 03, 2016, 06:21:52 PM
That would be a kick in the cock for Lukaku
Try saying that after a fist full of shandies.
Post by: sam of the south on June 03, 2016, 07:06:57 PM
Anyone have any knowledge of these guys?
Am I right in thinking that @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) and @Fynci (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=412) are our NSNO Dutch contingent?
Post by: Fynci on June 03, 2016, 07:08:57 PM
The Mirror has us in for Vincent Janssen, Milik, Riedewald, Tibbling, Jetro Willems, and Jasper Cillessen in the wake of Koeman's probable inauguration.
Anyone have any knowledge of these guys?
Am I right in thinking that @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) and @Fynci (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=412) are our NSNO Dutch contingent?
I live here, but I don't follow the Eredivisie. I think KingdingalingNL is the one to ask!
Post by: Shogun on June 03, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
Post by: sam of the south on June 03, 2016, 07:12:10 PM
I live here, but I don't follow the Eredivisie. I think KingdingalingNL is the one to ask!
Cheers, Fynci 👍🏼
An ex-client of mine lives in Amsterdam, but he's as uninterested in football as it is possible to be!
We await @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) 's response with communal eagerness 🤗
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 07:16:09 PM
That Janssen looks the business but I will concede the cliche about Afonso Alves, Kezman, Mido etc.
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 07:17:17 PM
Cheers, Fynci 👍🏼
An ex-client of mine lives in Amsterdam, but he's as uninterested in football as it is possible to be!
We await @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) 's response with communal eagerness 🤗
The main question I would like to ask @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) is:
Are you called Kingdingaling because you have a massive member?
Post by: sam of the south on June 03, 2016, 07:19:23 PM
Don't think he posts anymore but @fast lane (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=96) too.
Oh of course, haven't seen @fast lane (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=96) for a while though.
I'm sure @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) posted recently 🤔
Post by: Gary1878 on June 03, 2016, 07:19:56 PM
Can we spend 100m and not be embroiled in the financial fair play thing?
We get income like tv money which we can use, as can all teams, but what are the rules about pumping non income into teams?
From UEFA.com;
To be exact, clubs can spend up to €5million more than they earn per assessment period (three years). However it can exceed this level to a certain limit, if it is entirely covered by a direct contribution/payment from the club owner(s) or a related party. This prevents the build-up of unsustainable debt.
The limits are:
• €45m for assessment periods 2013/14 and 2014/15
• €30m for assessment periods 2015/16, 2016/17 and 2017/18
In Everton's case, that is a lot when you consider the revenue was £125m in 2015 and due to rise this year.
Post by: sam of the south on June 03, 2016, 07:21:06 PM
The main question I would like to ask @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) is:
Are you called Kingdingaling because you have a massive member?
Well, I'm called sam of the south because I'm gifted in the southerly region... 🤗
Post by: Makis on June 03, 2016, 07:48:45 PM
The Mirror has us in for Vincent Janssen, Milik, Riedewald, Tibbling, Jetro Willems, and Jasper Cillessen in the wake of Koeman's probable inauguration.Janssen and Milik are the two top forward prospects in that legue. I'd say the former looks a better prospect, he's got more to his game than just goals (of which he scored more than Milik). Cillesen is of course the Dutch national team keeper. I haven't been that impressed when I have seen him. Riedewald sounds like a Stones replacement. A ball-playing CB. 19 years old. Willems is a 22-year old left back who has played in the Dutch side already. Tibbling is a 21-year old Swedish midfielder.
Anyone have any knowledge of these guys?
Am I right in thinking that @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) and @Fynci (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=412) are our NSNO Dutch contingent?
I think this is just guesswork from the paper. Koeman is not going to sign players, the new DoF will. Out of those, Janssen I would definitely take.
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 03, 2016, 08:08:57 PM
The Mirror has us in for Vincent Janssen, Milik, Riedewald, Tibbling, Jetro Willems, and Jasper Cillessen in the wake of Koeman's probable inauguration.
Anyone have any knowledge of these guys?
Am I right in thinking that @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) and @Fynci (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=412) are our NSNO Dutch contingent?
I would take Milik, Janssen, Riedewald and Cillessen. Willems is an absolute cock!!!! Very bad attitude thinks he's a world class player, he once said to his trainer at PSV who tried to give him advice on how to improve shut up how many games did you play for Holland!!!
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 03, 2016, 08:12:11 PM
The main question I would like to ask @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) is:
Are you called Kingdingaling because you have a massive member?
Seen it in a comedy once and also use it for the Xbox so no I do not have a huge member :-(
Post by: Makis on June 03, 2016, 08:12:50 PM
Post by: sam of the south on June 03, 2016, 08:42:50 PM
Riddewald didn't even make it to the Euros and some of the names in the squad are hardly household.
Vardy, Kante, and Mahrez weren't well known a year ago though, Makis
Post by: Brownie on June 03, 2016, 09:28:35 PM
Post by: sam of the south on June 03, 2016, 10:13:26 PM
Newspapers linking possible new Dutch manager with Dutch players shocker. That is the epitome of lazy journalism. We need at least one player of 'big statement of intent' stature I think.
They did mention Yarmolenko too
Post by: Brownie on June 03, 2016, 10:35:47 PM
They did mention Yarmolenko too
Phew, I was getting worried then
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 03, 2016, 10:49:29 PM
Riddewald didn't even make it to the Euros and some of the names in the squad are hardly household.
Holland aren't at the Euros full stop :S
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 03, 2016, 11:35:00 PM
Riddewald didn't even make it to the Euros and some of the names in the squad are hardly household.
Don't really know how to react to this? But even if they were to go van Dijk didn't even get a look in when he was the best Dutch defender playing for Celtic for qualifying, so doesn't mean much when a player does not get called up to the Dutch squad.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 04, 2016, 12:17:42 AM
Post by: sam of the south on June 04, 2016, 01:20:14 AM
Phew, I was getting worried then
:snigger:
Post by: Makis on June 04, 2016, 02:19:53 AM
Holland aren't at the Euros full stop :SD'oh, I meant the Swede, Tibbling, and got my wires crossed.
Post by: Brownie on June 04, 2016, 04:03:25 AM
D'oh, I meant the Swede, Tibbling, and got my wires crossed.
Good recovery
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 04, 2016, 04:15:26 AM
Not many other clubs that would match the £65m price tag i reckon.
City, United or PSG are the only other possibilities.
Looks like the new manager may need to make do with only £100m to spend.
Post by: Brownie on June 04, 2016, 04:16:52 AM
Times saying that Chelsea have turned their attention from Lukaku to Benteke.
Not many other clubs that would match the £65m price tag i reckon.
City, United or PSG are the only other possibilities.
Looks like the new manager may need to make do with only £100m to spend.
I think Benteke would be a good fit for us under Koeman.
Post by: Brownie on June 04, 2016, 04:18:08 AM
Post by: Ross on June 04, 2016, 04:20:22 AM
I think Benteke would be a good fit for us under Koeman.
Yeah lump it long to the big galute.
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2016, 06:28:51 AM
Newspapers linking possible new Dutch manager with Dutch players shocker. That is the epitome of lazy journalism. We need at least one player of 'big statement of intent' stature I think.Better than being linked with wigan players
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on June 04, 2016, 06:47:38 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on June 04, 2016, 05:40:27 PM
Anyone up for a bid for Moutinho again? Still only 30.
What about Mata - he's unlikely to stay at Utd with Mourinho?
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 05:43:45 PM
Post by: 74Blue on June 04, 2016, 05:50:09 PM
If we do get Koeman, and depending on whether or not Mourinho fancies him, I'd love us to try for Schneiderlin at United, be a great long term replacement for Barry.I said something similar to a couple of redshite acquaintances when they were signing Lovren. I said that they were signing a reasonable centre half, but leaving Southampton's best player behind (Schneiderlin).
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 05:55:37 PM
I said something similar to a couple of redshite acquaintances when they were signing Lovren. I said that they were signing a reasonable centre half, but leaving Southampton's best player behind (Schneiderlin).
I've always been a huge fan of Schneiderlin, we have the money now to offer big bucks to buy him and obviously offer him a big contract to boot.
A lot depends on whether or not Mourinho will be a fan of him and who he signs.
But he will have lots of suitors no doubt.
Was thinking maybe due to him working with Koeman in the past he might be tempted to come here, think he would be ideal.
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2016, 06:02:03 PM
I want us to be looking abroad for the majority of our signings.
Only premier league player I want us spending massive on is Butland
Post by: Distant Blue on June 04, 2016, 07:01:57 PM
Times saying that Chelsea have turned their attention from Lukaku to Benteke.Add Juve to that once Pogba's sold.
Not many other clubs that would match the £65m price tag i reckon.
City, United or PSG are the only other possibilities.
Looks like the new manager may need to make do with only £100m to spend.
Post by: Makis on June 04, 2016, 07:19:18 PM
What about Mata - he's unlikely to stay at Utd with Mourinho?Schneiderlin would be the perfect catch from that lot.
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 05, 2016, 01:59:01 AM
Add Juve to that once Pogba's sold.
They have rarely spent above £30m on players.
Post by: Distant Blue on June 05, 2016, 04:03:23 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 05, 2016, 04:33:11 AM
what about Daley Blind? Can play well in a number of positions and Mourinho apparently doesn't fancy him.
Post by: Cozzie on June 05, 2016, 04:35:15 AM
Also on the Dutch theme:
what about Daley Blind? Can play well in a number of positions and Mourinho apparently doesn't fancy him.
Not a bad shout actually, for what it's worth I don't rate him that much but his ability to play a number of positions could come in quite handy.
Post by: md49vd on June 05, 2016, 06:09:20 AM
Post by: knocker on June 05, 2016, 06:35:09 AM
Post by: Brownie on June 05, 2016, 06:43:51 AM
can we have some realistic transfer speculation please. Everton will not be buying Manchester united players. look at villa, Norwich or Newcastle players. that's not a lack of ambition its just the players we can attract. Rome wasn`t built in a day..............
Or look to the continent rather than looking at relegated clubs.
Post by: knocker on June 05, 2016, 07:00:21 AM
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 05, 2016, 07:04:14 AM
Yeah continent or championship players. I'm sorry but blind or mata are out of evertons reach.
I'm not totally sure about that. I mean we're not going to nab players from United who Mourinho wants to keep but ones who are surplus to requirements, we stand a chance
I expect us to be showing ambition with our signings. Unlikely we will be signing too many players from the championship that we would expect to go into our starting line up. We do have a bit of money these days
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 05, 2016, 07:33:14 AM
Yeah continent or championship players. I'm sorry but blind or mata are out of evertons reach.
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Post by: md49vd on June 05, 2016, 09:06:39 AM
Yeah continent or championship players. I'm sorry but blind or mata are out of evertons reach.
we signed chelsea's best striker
Post by: ally2 on June 05, 2016, 12:40:22 PM
Post by: Trublue on June 05, 2016, 01:13:44 PM
can we have some realistic transfer speculation please. Everton will not be buying Manchester united players. look at villa, Norwich or Newcastle players. that's not a lack of ambition its just the players we can attract. Rome wasn`t built in a day..............
Whilst I agree, we won't be getting world class players this summer. I think we can look a little higher than Villa players. It took city a couple of seasons to start attracting the better players. The priority is getting top four, then build from there. There is always a good player who's head is turned by a lot of cash.
Post by: christiffa25 on June 05, 2016, 01:54:01 PM
I'm imagining stoke would be asking mega bucks!
Post by: Goaljira on June 05, 2016, 02:07:31 PM
What do u recon Butland would realistically cost if we went for him??Too much. £40m+
I'm imagining stoke would be asking mega bucks!
Post by: Vespa on June 05, 2016, 02:33:54 PM
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 05, 2016, 02:51:45 PM
But also about what he can bring out of players already at the club. Could be priceless the education the likes of Stones, Galloway, Browning, Kenny, Davies, Barkley etc get from him
Also players who just haven't been used correctly, or enough, like Mirallas, Deulofeu and Besic
Excited for the Koeman era
Post by: Brownie on June 05, 2016, 03:11:33 PM
Yeah continent or championship players. I'm sorry but blind or mata are out of evertons reach.
I hope this attitude is not replicated in the boardroom (unless you're a WUM). You have to think big and go for it otherwise we will be 'plucky little Everton' forever. I'm not saying we are going to be taking United's or City's best players but there are better players out there than Championship players.
Post by: Danny on June 05, 2016, 05:06:03 PM
Post by: Trublue on June 05, 2016, 05:29:51 PM
Post by: smellybum on June 05, 2016, 05:32:14 PM
Post by: Makis on June 05, 2016, 05:33:06 PM
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2016, 03:44:19 AM
Post by: md49vd on June 06, 2016, 07:02:22 AM
sprouting out transfer links without a manager is just pure speculation to try and drum up some article views for their site.
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2016, 09:39:19 PM
https://twitter.com/WelsbyElton/status/739591015137415169
Post by: blue slug on June 06, 2016, 09:59:47 PM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 06, 2016, 10:21:56 PM
Post by: Confucius on June 06, 2016, 10:59:49 PM
He struggles in England anyway :whistle: @Risky (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=10)
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 07, 2016, 01:20:41 AM
On another subject though, i've been thinking about this supposed £100m we've been given by Moshiri.
With the new tv deal, wouldnt it have been reasonable to expect £40-£50million as a transfer budget this year anyway?
Or do you reckon we're using most of that to absorb the increased wages you'd expect?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 07, 2016, 01:51:08 AM
Wijnaldum would be a quality replacement for Pienaar, wouldn't want to pay any more than Newcastle did for him though.
Not sure about that. Pienaars best quality was his link play with Baines and ability to cover him defensively.
Wijjy wouldn't do that. He's too much up his own arse.
Post by: Goaljira on June 07, 2016, 02:01:34 AM
I wouldnt want Ibra anywhere near our team.I'd have expected £30-£40m based on TV money, so £60m extra on top of paying off Martinez and hiring Koeman is not to be sniffed at.
On another subject though, i've been thinking about this supposed £100m we've been given by Moshiri.
With the new tv deal, wouldnt it have been reasonable to expect £40-£50million as a transfer budget this year anyway?
Or do you reckon we're using most of that to absorb the increased wages you'd expect?
Post by: Toddacelli on June 07, 2016, 04:23:03 AM
can we have some realistic transfer speculation please. Everton will not be buying Manchester united players. look at villa, Norwich or Newcastle players. that's not a lack of ambition its just the players we can attract. Rome wasn`t built in a day..............
I don't often Tool people and I throw Like's around like confetti but...
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Post by: Toddacelli on June 07, 2016, 04:32:12 AM
Surely this is all about making money on lettered shirt sales?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-rumour-mill-11429968
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Post by: Ari on June 07, 2016, 04:52:51 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 07, 2016, 04:55:50 AM
can we have some realistic transfer speculation please. Everton will not be buying Manchester united players. look at villa, Norwich or Newcastle players. that's not a lack of ambition its just the players we can attract. Rome wasn`t built in a day..............
Ye because we've never signed players from Utd in the past......
Post by: md49vd on June 07, 2016, 05:03:43 AM
Ye because we've never signed players from Utd in the past......
saha, howard, neville, blomqvist, kanchelskis :)
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 07, 2016, 05:27:29 AM
saha, howard, neville, blomqvist, kanchelskis :)
That was kind of the point I was making lol
Post by: md49vd on June 07, 2016, 05:34:38 AM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 07, 2016, 02:47:15 PM
Hovhannes Hambardzumyan?
Ian to his mates.
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 07, 2016, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: TheRam on June 07, 2016, 06:01:06 PM
sky saying we have inquired about the Juve keeper.
I'd have Buffon like
Post by: Brownie on June 07, 2016, 06:02:27 PM
sky saying we have inquired about the Juve keeper.
Which one? Not Buffon?
Post by: hill135 on June 07, 2016, 06:04:45 PM
He's hardly played this season so I can't say much about him. @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) what are you saying?
Post by: Ross on June 07, 2016, 06:08:00 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 07, 2016, 06:34:33 PM
Thought the days we were shopping at Neto were over..
"Back of the Neto"
Post by: Danny on June 07, 2016, 07:21:41 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on June 07, 2016, 07:35:29 PM
Post by: Trowel on June 07, 2016, 07:43:08 PM
Gomes?Morticia? Cara Mia!
Post by: Shogun on June 08, 2016, 01:45:29 AM
Neto will be available as the introduction of new home grown rules in Italy means Juventus are pursuing Mirante to be their back up goal keeper.
He's hardly played this season so I can't say much about him. @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) what are you saying?
Well, you'll remember he got dropped in his final season at Fiorentina because he was running down his contract but he did well when injuries meant he got back in the team.
I don't think he's really good enough for the level we want to be at, not particularly commanding and flaps quite a lot, he reminds me of Mignolet actually.
Post by: Trowel on June 08, 2016, 04:37:35 AM
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/740295062786039808
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 08, 2016, 04:41:33 AM
"I I I I I'm not your sticking Stones.."That's a shit jump
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/740295062786039808
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2016, 05:08:09 AM
Post by: sam of the south on June 08, 2016, 05:18:35 AM
That's a shit jump
And without the long socks and shin pads, those pins are almost McManamanamanamanaman-esque 😁
Post by: hill135 on June 08, 2016, 05:23:08 AM
Well, you'll remember he got dropped in his final season at Fiorentina because he was running down his contract but he did well when injuries meant he got back in the team.
I don't think he's really good enough for the level we want to be at, not particularly commanding and flaps quite a lot, he reminds me of Mignolet actually.
Bit of a flapper then.
Think we can cross him off the list anyway. Sky was only quoting Tuttosport which is a notorious purveyor of shite.
Post by: Brownie on June 08, 2016, 05:23:20 AM
And without the long socks and shin pads, those pins are almost McManamanamanamanaman-esque 😁
He reminds me of a Second Row I used to play with who was 6'8 and ran like bambi on ice, with celery stick legs. Was a great player though
Post by: hill135 on June 08, 2016, 05:24:26 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-poised-seal-vincent-janssen-8135364
Has there been a transfer in the history of football which they haven't muscled in on?
Post by: sam of the south on June 08, 2016, 05:25:29 AM
He reminds me of a Second Row I used to play with who was 6'8 and ran like bambi on ice, with celery stick legs. Was a great player though
I bet he was asked many times how his legs held him up 😊
Post by: Brownie on June 08, 2016, 05:26:30 AM
I bet he was asked many times how his legs held him up 😊
Yeah
Post by: sam of the south on June 08, 2016, 05:26:47 AM
Spurs set to sign Vincent Janssen :(
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-poised-seal-vincent-janssen-8135364
Has there been a transfer in the history of football which they haven't muscled in on?
If he's as good as everyone says he is would he want to go there to play second fiddle to Kane?
Post by: hill135 on June 08, 2016, 05:36:36 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/677748/Ross-Barkley-Everton-Contract-Manchester-City-Offer-Transfer-News-Ronald-Koeman-News
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/07/everton-hope-to-ease-ronald-koemans-arrival-with-new-contracts-f/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-refuse-john-stones-transfer-8135278
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 08, 2016, 02:30:21 PM
Three papers reporting we will offer Ross the Boss a new deal and Koeman will personally try to convince Stones to stay. Presumably it's been briefed then.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/677748/Ross-Barkley-Everton-Contract-Manchester-City-Offer-Transfer-News-Ronald-Koeman-News
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/07/everton-hope-to-ease-ronald-koemans-arrival-with-new-contracts-f/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-refuse-john-stones-transfer-8135278
Talksport losing their minds over this.
On the morning show they have already said the top 4 is impossible for anyone other than Utd, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool. Pretty sure that's 5 teams so I guess they're kinda right.
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 08, 2016, 02:34:22 PM
Talksport losing their minds over this.
On the morning show they have already said the top 4 is impossible for anyone other than Utd, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool. Pretty sure that's 5 teams so I guess they're kinda right.
Pretty good maths that for Brazil
Post by: Makis on June 08, 2016, 02:42:18 PM
Talksport losing their minds over this.Ranieri says hi.
On the morning show they have already said the top 4 is impossible for anyone other than Utd, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool. Pretty sure that's 5 teams so I guess they're kinda right.
Post by: Goaljira on June 08, 2016, 02:42:54 PM
Talksport losing their minds over this.When they're forgetting about Chelsea already it shows how shite he is.
On the morning show they have already said the top 4 is impossible for anyone other than Utd, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool. Pretty sure that's 5 teams so I guess they're kinda right.
Post by: 74Blue on June 08, 2016, 03:25:13 PM
Post by: Danny on June 08, 2016, 03:37:53 PM
Paul Merson seems to think that Jamie Vardy would be a bit foolish to leave Leicester for Arsenal because Arsenal don't move the ball quick enough and Koeman is a fantastic appointment by Everton. Who the fuck has been tampering with Merse's brain and made him speak a little common sense for a change?
Merson loves Everton based on SSN
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 08, 2016, 04:02:47 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/07/aubamayeng-vilhena-20-biggest-transfer-targets-summer
Interesting to see Vilhena on the list as being a key player in Koeman's Feyenoord team and a target of Southampton's last summer. He is available on a free, wouldn't be surprised if gets snapped up but I don't know much about him
Is that Embolo within our reach or is he a target for the elite? Or Bazoer who I've seen a few rave on here about. What's happened to this Tielemans fella too? Highly rated but not going to the Euros (Although to be fair Belguim have a great squad)
Post by: TrevorSteven on June 08, 2016, 04:21:43 PM
stole this from @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) on the general transfer thread but is there anyone we could be aiming for on here?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/07/aubamayeng-vilhena-20-biggest-transfer-targets-summer
Interesting to see Vilhena on the list as being a key player in Koeman's Feyenoord team and a target of Southampton's last summer. He is available on a free, wouldn't be surprised if gets snapped up but I don't know much about him
Is that Embolo within our reach or is he a target for the elite? Or Bazoer who I've seen a few rave on here about. What's happened to this Tielemans fella too? Highly rated but not going to the Euros (Although to be fair Belguim have a great squad)
Embolo is surely within our reach. He is also followed closely by Tottenham but not the biggest guns right now - still the Martial buy came out of nothing and Embolo is as known as Martial was. We almost signed Embolo one year ago - I really hope we manage to get him. He may get better than Lukaku and is my dream signing of this summer.
Post by: Danny on June 08, 2016, 04:34:42 PM
Post by: Cozzie on June 08, 2016, 04:41:13 PM
Post by: hill135 on June 08, 2016, 04:47:13 PM
He plays in Switzerland ffs. Who's seen him play more than once?
Post by: hill135 on June 08, 2016, 04:48:57 PM
Bollocks. Would have liked Jansen. Looks like spurs have got him.
Annoyed about this.
Hopefully he turns out to be the next Ricky Van Wolfswinkle for them.
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2016, 04:57:24 PM
Post by: Cozzie on June 08, 2016, 04:58:35 PM
Annoyed about this.
Hopefully he turns out to be the next Ricky Van Wolfswinkle for them.
In my head he was gonna be one of our first signings when Koeman got here.
Post by: Trowel on June 08, 2016, 05:09:42 PM
Post by: Juanito on June 08, 2016, 05:12:46 PM
A powerful and adept striker who has had to fight his way to the top. Slimani moved to Europe from the Algerian club Chabab Belouizdad in 2013, turning down offers from Ligue 1 to join Sporting’s second string. He progressed quickly and has become a key man in the side who pushed Benfica all the way for the Portuguese title, finishing second to Benfica’s Jonas in the scoring charts with 27 goals. Leicester and Tottenham have been credited with an interest in a player who has a release clause set at €30m but they will face competition from around Europe for the 27-year-old, who offers much better value than, say, Marseille’s Michy Batshuayi or Lyon’s Alexandre Lacazette.
Estimated value £23.5m
Post by: Makis on June 08, 2016, 05:21:23 PM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 08, 2016, 05:41:20 PM
Can we please not start the usual "why weren't we in for him" stuff please, its tedious.
Why weren't we in for Aubamayang ?
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2016, 06:19:48 PM
Why weren't we in for Aubamayang ?
Because we're in for Messi
Post by: Hawkandro on June 08, 2016, 06:43:57 PM
Batshuayi at 50 million might still be too expensive. That's what Marseille's chairman has quoted as a price.
No problem when you have £65m burning a hole in your back pocket though.
Think we should throw £50m of that at Higuain though. Let the fume commence.
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2016, 06:44:47 PM
No problem when you have £65m burning a hole in your back pocket though.
Is he worth though?
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 08, 2016, 06:45:59 PM
Batshuayi at 50 million might still be too expensive. That's what Marseille's chairman has quoted as a price.
Too much, he's not good enough to justify that kind of transfer fee, just because we have cash now doesn't mean we should pay ridiculous prices.
What about that keeper of there's Mandanda, isn't he free? Supposed to be good
Post by: Toddacelli on June 08, 2016, 06:49:58 PM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/06/07/everton-should-activate-aston-villa-midfielder-idrissa-gueyes-71/
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 08, 2016, 06:54:27 PM
Decent shout here I thought - stats compare well with Kante, Barry ain't getting any younger - and he's cheap (ish).
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/06/07/everton-should-activate-aston-villa-midfielder-idrissa-gueyes-71/
Had enough Gueyes to last a lifetime already.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 08, 2016, 06:55:27 PM
Post by: Nicco on June 08, 2016, 06:57:05 PM
Because we're in for MessiStop Messing, no fun!
Coat etc etc
Post by: Toddacelli on June 08, 2016, 07:00:08 PM
Really want to see us aiming higher than the likes of Idrissa Gueye, Michael Keane and Lewis Dunk now.
I know what you're saying and I know there will be people who draw similarities with Martinez signing Wigan players after they were relegated but...
I think this Gueye could be one that slipped through the net. I'd certainly pick him over Grealish if I had to pick a Villain.
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 08, 2016, 09:13:40 PM
I know what you're saying and I know there will be people who draw similarities with Martinez signing Wigan players after they were relegated but...
I think this Gueye could be one that slipped through the net. I'd certainly pick him over Grealish if I had to pick a Villain.
We don't have to pick a Villain though, or a Canary, or a Mag.... so sod the lot of them off
lets go bigger, Danilo Pereira?!
Post by: hill135 on June 08, 2016, 10:40:33 PM
Batshuayi looks good but does he fit the profile that Koeman is looking for? He loves a target man.
Post by: Toddacelli on June 08, 2016, 11:26:14 PM
But yeah, we've got Moshi's Millions now - let's pay £40M for Kanté instead.
Team Tackles PG Interceptions PG Ball RecoveriesPG Passing Accuracy Appearances
N'Golo Kanté Leicester 3.38 4.22 8.81 82% 37
Idrissa Gueye Aston Villa 3.09 4.03 9.83 86% 35
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2016, 11:38:39 PM
Stop Messing, no fun!
Coat etc etc
Leave you coat and just fuck off
;)
Post by: Ridge on June 09, 2016, 12:10:21 AM
Post by: Makis on June 09, 2016, 12:18:01 AM
Post by: Brownie on June 09, 2016, 03:17:09 AM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-set-land-mega-transfer-8139312#qcdQU29Hk3dP3yJc.97
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2016, 03:19:27 AM
Not sold on Wanyama and the only other one I would want from them is Mane but he isn't exactly what we need at the moment.
Would further piss saints fans off if those two where his first bit of business.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 09, 2016, 03:20:35 AM
I said earlier the two I would want from them is Forster and VVD.
Not sold on Wanyama
Same
But it all depends on the Benjamin's. Not into paying Liverpool type prices no matter how minted we are.
Post by: Brownie on June 09, 2016, 03:24:32 AM
I said earlier the two I would want from them is Forster and VVD.
Not sold on Wanyama and the only other one I would want from them is Mane but he isn't exactly what we need at the moment.
Would further piss saints fans off if those two where his first bit of business.
They are the two I want
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2016, 03:25:12 AM
Same
But it all depends on the Benjamin's. Not into paying Liverpool type prices no matter how minted we are.
Absolutely. It is exciting no doubt seeing how much we will spend and who we could buy etc, but I want it to be structured spending rather than just splashing it about.
Still, regardless, if we paid over the odds for those two they are still/would be, two top signings.
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2016, 03:27:02 AM
They are the two I want
I wanted us to get Forster before he went to saints, from his Celtic days, really rate him, I actually think he is better than Joe Hart personally and should be Englands No1. Would be a fine upgrade on BOTH Howard and Joel.
Post by: hamshank33 on June 09, 2016, 03:36:59 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on June 09, 2016, 03:42:43 AM
Wanyama is good but I'd be more interested in Mane.
Say what you want about strikers etc, it never hurts to have another option on the bench.
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2016, 03:44:00 AM
Why the Fuck do we need anyone from that team anyway. some good players just like in other teams. getting a little wigan raid this now.and wanayama is a cunt we are trying to get the cunts OUT of the team
The fact that you are potentially comparing Forster to Joel and VVD to Alcaraz in terms of managers getting players from former teams is laughable.
There are always good players to be had.
If Koeman was not our manager, say we had gotten Emery, and he went and got Forster and VVD from saints would they still be shit buys? No.
Who cares if a manager raids his old club, as long as the player is of high quality.
Post by: GLewis on June 09, 2016, 03:51:48 AM
The fact that you are potentially comparing Forster to Joel and VVD to Alcaraz in terms of managers getting players from former teams is laughable.
There are always good players to be had.
If Koeman was not our manager, say we had gotten Emery, and he went and got Forster and VVD from saints would they still be shit buys? No.
Who cares if a manager raids his old club, as long as the player is of high quality.
I think the danger is that you're trying to replicate too much of what happened before.
The obvious problem is that this is more than very difficult without the exact same bunch of players.
It can also come across that the manager can only work with what he knows and that also he has little imagination.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 09, 2016, 03:57:03 AM
Post by: TheRam on June 09, 2016, 04:17:54 AM
Post by: Macca77 on June 09, 2016, 04:21:47 AM
Wanyama is an awful footballer
Correct
Post by: arteta4spain on June 09, 2016, 04:38:02 AM
Cabaye please.Na not for me. Just can't take to him at all.
Post by: hill135 on June 09, 2016, 05:17:02 AM
Wanyama is the player McCarthy's critics accuse him of being; and he seems to think he has a divine right to play for a CL team.
VVD is proven in the Prem, 23 years old and contracted for six (six!) years. That is a recipe for a mega fee.
Forster is happy at Southampton, an England international and contracted for five years. He will be ludicrously expensive when, in the scheme of it, there are many goalkeepers on his level.
Tadic fell out with Koeman more than once.
Mane will be too expensive for the player he is and doesn't really address a need in our squad.
JWP is shite.
We won't sign any Southampton players this summer. I'd bet my house on it.
Post by: Redartin on June 09, 2016, 05:26:05 AM
I'd wager we sign no Southampton players this summer.
If, and it is a big if, we land Monshi. Should we not be looking at Sevilla players?
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 09, 2016, 05:30:16 AM
Not just ex soton or ex sevilla
I mean, there's quite a few about
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 09, 2016, 05:39:55 AM
Think Higuain is a bad fit for PL, think he'd do a Soldado.Didn't his wife miscarry just as his move to England went through. Think his head was elsewhere tbh.
Post by: GLewis on June 09, 2016, 12:17:52 PM
If, and it is a big if, we land Monshi. Should we not be looking at Sevilla players?
Surely the whole point of someone like Monchi is that he's got a massive amount of knowledge and info on a huge amount of players!
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 09, 2016, 12:43:41 PM
Fuck me :eh:
Post by: christiffa25 on June 09, 2016, 12:58:50 PM
I think the danger is that you're trying to replicate too much of what happened before.
The obvious problem is that this is more than very difficult without the exact same bunch of players.
It can also come across that the manager can only work with what he knows and that also he has little imagination.
Yeah agree with this. We don't need any Southampton players who will cost WAY over what they should just because it's us and keoman.
Prefer Butland to forester anyway. Either way, there are plenty of equals if not better comparable players to anything Southampton have.
Leave it be
Post by: hamshank33 on June 09, 2016, 01:20:26 PM
The fact that you are potentially comparing Forster to Joel and VVD to Alcaraz in terms of managers getting players from former teams is laughable.that's right.wasn't comparing the class of player just only fishing form the one pool of so so talent,
There are always good players to be had.
If Koeman was not our manager, say we had gotten Emery, and he went and got Forster and VVD from saints would they still be shit buys? No.
Who cares if a manager raids his old club, as long as the player is of high quality.
Post by: Trowel on June 09, 2016, 01:24:18 PM
https://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/europa/southampton-per-pelle-si-muovono-everton-stoke-e-alcuni-club-cinesi-839401
Post by: Brownie on June 09, 2016, 01:28:02 PM
Pelle's agent directing him our way. I'll bet he bloody is now he's heard the commission available.
https://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/europa/southampton-per-pelle-si-muovono-everton-stoke-e-alcuni-club-cinesi-839401
What's he like? I remember him scoring a Los of goals early on at Southampton but I can't remember after that
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 09, 2016, 01:32:50 PM
Post by: jay_2k on June 09, 2016, 03:40:31 PM
Did I just see the word "Stoke", in that sentence?
Soon i seen the word "Stoke" the page was closed.
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 09, 2016, 03:43:38 PM
*The game was Celtic v Ajax so I suppose not hard to stick out but still!!!!
Forster didn't have much to do on the night but my mate has always raved about him during his time at Celtic. 2 that got away for me
Post by: Macca77 on June 09, 2016, 03:51:22 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 09, 2016, 04:04:07 PM
Transfer window officially opened today, let the madness begin.
Isn't it the 1st july?
Post by: Macca77 on June 09, 2016, 04:15:35 PM
Isn't it the 1st july?
Not according to Sky Sports News
Embrace the madness
Post by: blue slug on June 09, 2016, 04:21:32 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 09, 2016, 04:58:13 PM
Post by: di_guyo on June 09, 2016, 05:59:28 PM
Pelle's agent has said we're an option. Slow, 30 and has baron spells - not for me.
Not a big fan by any means, but a hard worked with good holdup/link up play. With the right wingers/AMs...
Post by: Lxxx on June 09, 2016, 06:03:03 PM
Post by: smellybum on June 09, 2016, 07:15:58 PM
Pelle's agent has said we're an option. Slow, 30 and has baron spells - not for me.
Would rather giroud if we are buying a target man from this league.
Post by: hamshank33 on June 09, 2016, 07:35:54 PM
Post by: sam of the south on June 09, 2016, 10:55:46 PM
If you had £100m to play with you wouldn't be shopping for Pelle, Wijnaldum, Nkoudou (no, me neither), or Scott Dann surely 😊
Add Gibson's 2 year contract extension, and these are Moyes-like levels of inspiration 😄
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 09, 2016, 11:14:15 PM
None of these rumours are exactly befitting of a supposed reawakening giant are they!
If you had £100m to play with you wouldn't be shopping for Pelle, Wijnaldum, Nkoudou (no, me neither), or Scott Dann surely 😊
Add Gibson's 2 year contract extension, and these are Moyes-like levels of inspiration 😄
The 4 players you mentioned would cost close to £100m. Certainly not less than £80m
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2016, 11:25:57 PM
Not saying I particularly want any of them (defo not Pelle and Dann) but even if you go with the upper side of all of those rough prices that's £60m.
Post by: sam of the south on June 09, 2016, 11:29:09 PM
The 4 players you mentioned would cost close to £100m. Certainly not less than £80m
Haha, you reckon?
Pelle only has a year left, so maximum £10m surely, Transfermarkt rates Dann under £4m so even with Pardew being the cunt that he is you wouldn't imagine more than £10m-£15m, Wijnaldum say £15m-£20m, and Nkoudou is rated at under £5m on that website.
So worst case scenario £50m;but still, spunking half your budget on those four, blimey 😁
Post by: kramer0 on June 09, 2016, 11:36:35 PM
If our master plan for Moshiri's money is to sign decent 30 year olds, I think I'm going to go smash my head into a wall.
Post by: christiffa25 on June 09, 2016, 11:42:19 PM
That is NOT the work of a club reborn.
If you remember how city had to go about it (of course we ain't got that money) but they were taking big names who were maybe not so happy or playing enough games from big clubs. Or star players of teams with less money.
I would love VVD mind!! But just him!!
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2016, 11:42:32 PM
These links all sound like nonsense to me. Pelle clearly wants out of Soton, Dann is a lazy link from last season, Wijnaldum you could maybe see as a possibility, and Nkoudou the same. But I reckon it's all completely made up.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2016, 11:47:18 PM
If you remember how city had to go about it (of course we ain't got that money) but they were taking big names who were maybe not so happy or playing enough games from big clubs. Or star players of teams with less money.
I think this is right. As well as trying our hardest to get the rising stars of world football in the 18-23 age bracket, if we're looking to sign 'big name players', we need to be looking at people who are unhappy at bigger clubs or people who might be out of favour under new managers at those big clubs. That's a solid strategy.
Post by: Tinga on June 09, 2016, 11:49:24 PM
Post by: sam of the south on June 10, 2016, 12:40:19 AM
At the end of the day, it's silly season AND we have money. We will be linked with a load of mad players and sign none of them at this stage of the season.
I wish we were being linked with mad players, Tinga.
It seems the media are still determined to link us with uninspiring ones (I know Wijnaldum is talented, and Nkoudou is supposedly, but still)
Post by: brap2 on June 10, 2016, 01:43:06 AM
Setting ourselves up for some serious egg-face action aren't we.
Post by: kramer0 on June 10, 2016, 02:28:43 AM
all this talk of hundreds of millions and smashing the wage structure and all the rest of it...
Setting ourselves up for some serious egg-face action aren't we.
Maybe.
But I think Moshiri is making the right noises -- none. He works with quiet confidence and I trust him to get this summer right*.
Edit*: As much as I like to argue against players and backroom staff we're linked with.
Post by: Ross on June 10, 2016, 02:37:32 AM
all this talk of hundreds of millions and smashing the wage structure and all the rest of it...
Setting ourselves up for some serious egg-face action aren't we.
Yeah judge the 'new Everton' on achievements not promises.
So far we've not seen anything different than we had in the past. Indecision and dithering over the previous managers sacking and the same over his successors appointment.
That's not to say it won't change and we've not got he right man involved but if this had of happened under Kenwrights stewardship there'd be howls of derision.
We can only judge the new man on his actions and a lot of people are jumping the gun on this.
Post by: hill135 on June 10, 2016, 02:44:22 AM
He would fit the system and grab more goals than Kone or Niasse.
For a second choice striker at 7 mill, I'd have him; but I don't think the rumours are true.
Post by: sam of the south on June 10, 2016, 03:05:44 AM
As we know I over-rate all things Italian so I'm going to say Pelle is actually alright.
He would fit the system and grab more goals than Kone or Niasse.
For a second choice striker at 7 mill, I'd have him; but I don't think the rumours are true.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's more than decent.
It's just not the sort of signing rumour you'd expect linked with a side who is going to get north of £50m for their only decent striker, and apparently will spend that entire amount, plus another £100m on new players.
Post by: Waltzer on June 10, 2016, 03:08:27 AM
Post by: blue slug on June 10, 2016, 03:23:07 AM
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 10, 2016, 03:32:56 AM
Gerard Romero is claiming stones to city is basically done, no idea who he is, but it's claimed he's a very reliable source?
Spanish media dude. No idea on his reliability though.
Post by: Gash on June 10, 2016, 04:37:11 AM
As we know I over-rate all things Italian so I'm going to say Pelle is actually alright.
He would fit the system and grab more goals than Kone or Niasse.
For a second choice striker at 7 mill, I'd have him; but I don't think the rumours are true.
To quote yourself on many occasions "he's shit". ;) Which is usually a big exaggeration but I'd hope we're aiming a bit higher than Southampton's fairly good striker.
He's got a decent barnet and even better bird but it would just be another Kone type signing where a manager goes back to his former club and buys a solid if unspectacular player.
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 10, 2016, 04:54:23 AM
all this talk of hundreds of millions and smashing the wage structure and all the rest of it...
Setting ourselves up for some serious egg-face action aren't we.
Reminds me of when Blackburn were taken over. A mate of mine who is a Rovers fan was chuffed and said to me that the first Galactico to arrive was gonna be David Villa
Post by: brap2 on June 10, 2016, 05:09:52 AM
Reminds me of when Blackburn were taken over. A mate of mine who is a Rovers fan was chuffed and said to me that the first Galactico to arrive was gonna be David Villa
Jesus that's chilling.
Way too much of this "Moshiri's got it sorted, he's an amazing businessman and he's going to do this that and the other" and people doing that boss thing where they give you illuminating insight into the mind and intentions of someone they've heard speak less than 8 words.
Makes me so nervous.
Post by: Tinga on June 10, 2016, 05:17:51 AM
Jesus that's chilling.
Way too much of this "Moshiri's got it sorted, he's an amazing businessman and he's going to do this that and the other" and people doing that boss thing where they give you illuminating insight into the mind and intentions of someone they've heard speak less than 8 words.
Makes me so nervous.
It's a shame that you're right mate, surely this can't go tits up though..
Post by: kramer0 on June 10, 2016, 05:23:05 AM
Venky's didn't understand the concept of relegation.
Please don't compare Moshiri to Venky's.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 10, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
I'm not too sure a 31 year old mediocre striker is what we need at the start of next season.
Post by: hill135 on June 10, 2016, 04:20:12 PM
Signing a player from the team which finished 6th, who fits the profile of what the manager wants up front, to play a squad role is not the same as signing the spine of a team not good enough for the league.
It wouldn't be the best business ever but for a reasonable price (last year of his contract) and a squad role it would be fine. We could sign someone like Milik for a lot more money and it could pay off handsomely or go tits up.
We're not going to sign 22 exciting players over night.
And i don't agree with the Man City comparison. I'd rather sign Pelle for 6 million than Robinho for 32 to usher in our new era.
Post by: Fynci on June 10, 2016, 04:20:28 PM
These Pelle rumours seem to be building some momentum.
I'm not too sure a 31 year old mediocre striker is what we need at the start of next season.
I just hope he doesn't get played on the wing.
Post by: Macca77 on June 10, 2016, 04:22:33 PM
These Pelle rumours seem to be building some momentum.
I'm not too sure a 31 year old mediocre striker is what we need at the start of next season.
He's sexy though, am I right girls....girls?
Post by: Goaljira on June 10, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
I'm quite relaxed about Pelle.This would suggest to me that we're confident that either Lukaku will be convinced to stay, or that we won't get the £65m we'd demand so we're not looking for a premium striker?
Signing a player from the team which finished 6th, who fits the profile of what the manager wants up front, to play a squad role is not the same as signing the spine of a team not good enough for the league.
It wouldn't be the best business ever but for a reasonable price (last year of his contract) and a squad role it would be fine. We could sign someone like Milik for a lot more money and it could pay off handsomely or go tits up.
We're not going to sign 22 exciting players over night.
And i don't agree with the Man City comparison. I'd rather sign Pelle for 6 million than Robinho for 32 to usher in our new era.
Would he be an improvement on Kone? Yes. So for a minimal outlay for a player familiar with the manager, his methods, the league, who also gives us something we don't have in the squad at the minute and may not throw his dummy.out if he doesn't play every week its not too horrific.
It also means we'd have more money available to strengthen other key areas, as if we don't sell anyone we've got to make that alleged £100m stretch(As ridiculous as making £100m stretch sounds!).
Post by: sirblue57 on June 10, 2016, 04:41:14 PM
To quote yourself on many occasions "he's shit". ;) Which is usually a big exaggeration but I'd hope we're aiming a bit higher than Southampton's fairly good striker.
He's got a decent barnet and even better bird but it would just be another Kone type signing where a manager goes back to his former club and buys a solid if unspectacular player.
PICS??????
Post by: Bluedylan on June 10, 2016, 04:46:43 PM
If we're selling Lukaku, I'd want two strikers better than Pelle to be signed. And if we don't end up selling Rom, I'd want a better backup than Pelle to be signed.
Post by: Waltzer on June 10, 2016, 04:46:56 PM
This would suggest to me that we're confident that either Lukaku will be convinced to stay, or that we won't get the £65m we'd demand so we're not looking for a premium striker?
Would he be an improvement on Kone? Yes. So for a minimal outlay for a player familiar with the manager, his methods, the league, who also gives us something we don't have in the squad at the minute and may not throw his dummy.out if he doesn't play every week its not too horrific.
It also means we'd have more money available to strengthen other key areas, as if we don't sell anyone we've got to make that alleged £100m stretch(As ridiculous as making £100m stretch sounds!).
Be interesting to see how much of this alleged 100 million is actually purely for signings as apposed to the package, you could take it both ways as a signing of 20 million with wages of 100k a week, plus signing on fees agent fees etc etc soon adds up to about 30 million transfer, in which case 100 million doesnt go that far
Post by: School of Science on June 10, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
Post by: claimabstract on June 10, 2016, 05:31:58 PM
I'd rather signPellepretty much anyone for 6 million thanRobinhoNiasse for 1332 to usher in our new era.
Fixed.
Post by: Trowel on June 10, 2016, 05:56:20 PM
Koeman is understood to rate the Holland international, who has 30 caps for his country and would cost the Blues around £12m.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-keep-jasper-cillessen-still-11453414
Post by: Bluedylan on June 10, 2016, 05:56:21 PM
Post by: hill135 on June 10, 2016, 05:58:59 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 10, 2016, 06:12:39 PM
PICS??????
Bit skinny like, but he's a lucky man!
Spoiler: show
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Post by: Ross on June 10, 2016, 06:27:37 PM
Post by: Trowel on June 10, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 10, 2016, 06:35:49 PM
Could be a bit on the small side for the premier league at 6' 1".
Yeah they use 5 a side height nets in the Dutch league so he'd probably struggle to adjust
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 10, 2016, 06:40:26 PM
Could be a bit on the small side for the premier league at 6' 1".(http://i.bittwiddlers.org/K7G.gif)
Post by: hill135 on June 10, 2016, 06:44:18 PM
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 11, 2016, 12:31:46 AM
is any good @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) @ajax_andy (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=104) @Fynci (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=412) @van der Meyde (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=12) ?
He's a very good goalkeeper very good at shot stopping but just hope to god he doesn't have to save a penalty cause it's just not going to happen! Would I want him at Everton yes I would, but I was hoping for us to sign some German bloke who turns out to be the best goalkeeper in the world. To be honest he would not be a bad signing, he is the Dutch first choice goalie and has experience and is still only 27.
Post by: ajax_andy on June 11, 2016, 12:35:39 AM
is any good @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) @ajax_andy (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=104) @Fynci (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=412) @van der Meyde (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=12) ?
Don't know a lot about him tbh but he's ahead of Krul who is highly rated (albeit overrated IMO). I do know lazy journalism when I see it though and to be linked with our new manager's former striker and the goalie for his nation is right on the nose as far as that's concerned
Post by: brap2 on June 11, 2016, 03:49:43 AM
Post by: TheRam on June 11, 2016, 03:56:37 AM
Going to stick my neck out here and say - Niasse to come good.
Very similar player to Mane who Koeman likes a lot.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 11, 2016, 04:01:31 AM
Post by: Cassius on June 11, 2016, 04:25:30 AM
Very similar player to Mane who Koeman likes a lot.
In what way are they similar?
Not being funny.
Post by: kramer0 on June 11, 2016, 04:28:57 AM
In what way are they similar?
Not being funny.
Both are raw, pacy forwards with the ability to play in a wider role. I've seen a lot more of Mane than Niasse but Mane seems to be much better technically (and he's still rough around the edges).
(Also, both are Senegalese and came to England from smaller leagues.)
Koeman seems better suited to managing him than Martinez. I genuinely have no idea why Martinez wanted him. I'll be curious to see if Koeman even likes him.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 11, 2016, 04:33:53 AM
Very similar player to Mane who Koeman likes a lot.I've always thought this.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 11, 2016, 04:55:33 AM
Post by: Cozzie on June 11, 2016, 05:00:17 AM
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 11, 2016, 05:26:52 AM
Going to stick my neck out here and say - Niasse to come good.
Would be great that. And Tarashaj. Hoping to see him do the business for Switzerland in these Euros.
Post by: brap2 on June 11, 2016, 05:39:27 AM
Would be great that. And Tarashaj. Hoping to see him do the business for Switzerland in these Euros.
Me too since I got them in the sweep in work.
#comeonyouswiss #theseareshite
Post by: Bluedylan on June 11, 2016, 05:45:31 AM
Be a shame for me, but if Koeman/Moshiri can't get him on board, and the lad insists he wants to go again, probably time to accept it.
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 11, 2016, 05:50:58 AM
O'Keeffe and Kirkbride both saying they expect Stones to leave this summer. Not based on concrete information, from what they said, but their feeling is that's what will happen.
Be a shame for me, but if Koeman/Moshiri can't get him on board, and the lad insists he wants to go again, probably time to accept it.
A dark place in my mind worries that we've gone for Koeman primarily because we know he can deal well with his side losing some of their best players!
Post by: Bluedylan on June 11, 2016, 06:03:00 AM
A dark place in my mind worries that we've gone for Koeman primarily because we know he can deal well with his side losing some of their best players!
Possibly like, but spending money well is a good skill to have that we should want, either way
And I genuinely think Rom would be off even if we'd got Emery. We didn't do nearly well enough to meet his demands/expectations. And probably similar is true with Stones.
And if the reported figures are true, that'd give Koeman somewhere near £200m to reinvest, which is a massive positive, especially if he builds the squad as well as he did at Soton.
Post by: brap2 on June 11, 2016, 06:15:12 AM
Post by: GoodisonPk on June 11, 2016, 06:20:45 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 11, 2016, 06:26:19 AM
It would be more difficult to accept Stones leaving, I would offer him a very good new contact with a minimum fee release clause for £60m or something like that. That way he still gets a good wage but if someone really want him them they have to pay top ££.
Post by: hill135 on June 11, 2016, 06:44:03 AM
BUt if we did we could perhaps justify a large outlay on VVD or De Vrij as a much cheaper option - both players of a similar profile who have been successful under Koeman before.
Post by: Brownie on June 11, 2016, 07:27:54 AM
Post by: kramer0 on June 11, 2016, 11:32:39 AM
WOuld be gutted to lose Stones, really, really gutted.
BUt if we did we could perhaps justify a large outlay on VVD or De Vrij as a much cheaper option - both players of a similar profile who have been successful under Koeman before.
I hope de Vrij is at the top of our CB wish list.
A very good defender at a prime signing age from a club we can financially outmuscle. Yes please.
(I like VVD too but I'm assuming that the premium we'd have to pay would be excessive.)
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 11, 2016, 01:09:58 PM
I'd be gutted to see him go but he was awful for large parts of last year. Martinez, transfer saga and youth can be blamed but he needs to take ultimate responsibility for his performances. With losing Rom there'd be a tangible detriment to the team, his goals. Losing Stones would be losing what he could potentially become. As it stands, we just need someone who can defend.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 11, 2016, 01:11:54 PM
I hope de Vrij is at the top of our CB wish list.I hope he's got a buy-out clause in that new 6 year deal he's signed, otherwise those Scummers will try and take us for the majority of what we get for Stones!
A very good defender at a prime signing age from a club we can financially outmuscle. Yes please.
(I like VVD too but I'm assuming that the premium we'd have to pay would be excessive.)
Post by: christiffa25 on June 11, 2016, 01:23:11 PM
Stones is pure potential at the moment. He cost us a lot of goals last season. Granted the poor lad was not helped by Martinez not knowing how to train defenders but still....his marking is poor, tactical awearness shocking!
The lad needs coaching properly whilst playing week in week out. He moves to any of the big 4 he won't be playing. They want to win the league, not let stones learn his trade making costly mistakes.
And the lure of pep at city, well I think shit will hit the fan there! Pep and his footballing philosophy will get a wake up call in the PL.
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 11, 2016, 01:35:24 PM
It's going to be a fairly big bid required if we've rejected bids of 30/35 million not 12 months ago.
Post by: brap2 on June 11, 2016, 02:01:30 PM
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 11, 2016, 02:14:56 PM
I'd take £45m, or £30 and denayer...
45 million down to 30 nicker is a huge drop Brap.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 11, 2016, 02:25:43 PM
Post by: kramer0 on June 11, 2016, 09:09:17 PM
I hope he's got a buy-out clause in that new 6 year deal he's signed, otherwise those Scummers will try and take us for the majority of what we get for Stones!
Yep. That's why, as much as I like him, I think we need to let van Dijk be.
Stefan de Vrij (Lazio) is a very good alternative and will give us much better value for our money.
Edit: Also, Aleksandar Dragovic. We probably have a chance if a top club doesn't come in for him.
Edit 2: The other Austrian CB is highly rated too -- Martin Hinteregger. They'll be a team to keep an eye on in this tournament.
Post by: hill135 on June 11, 2016, 09:55:37 PM
Yep. That's why, as much as I like him, I think we need to let van Dijk be.
Stefan de Vrij (Lazio) is a very good alternative and will give us much better value for our money.
Edit: Also, Aleksandar Dragovic. We probably have a chance if a top club doesn't come in for him.
Edit 2: The other Austrian CB is highly rated too -- Martin Hinteregger. They'll be a team to keep an eye on in this tournament.
Dragovic gone to Leverkusen.
De Vrij all the way. He shares an agent with KOeman which can't hurt!
Post by: kramer0 on June 11, 2016, 10:08:16 PM
Dragovic gone to Leverkusen.
De Vrij all the way. He shares an agent with KOeman which can't hurt!
Is the Dragovic deal done? Good, ruthless business from Leverkusen if so.
We agree on de Vrij. Superb defender. The close connections to Koeman (Feyenoord, share an agent) make it sort of an obvious move.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 11, 2016, 11:48:15 PM
Is the Dragovic deal done? Good, ruthless business from Leverkusen if so.
We agree on de Vrij. Superb defender. The close connections to Koeman (Feyenoord, share an agent) make it sort of an obvious move.
As much as I believe in Funes Mori, the quality and value in de Vrij is too good to pass up, and that would give us, in my view, THREE quality starters at CB. Plus we wouldn't miss a beat if Jags picks up a knock or, heaven forbid, Koeman wisely decides to give him a rest.
Also would allow us to ease in Galloway as CB in Cup ties, maybe. Think he will come good sooner than expected, and that he will REALLY thrive under Koeman's leadership.
Post by: collie78104 on June 12, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
Post by: kramer0 on June 12, 2016, 12:16:03 AM
Only ever posted once before but reading some of the replies are interesting ... My views might be a bit controversial but hey ... If Lukaku goes I'd go for a Bony or Benteke ... I know people think I'm mad but I think his style of football would suit our team more .. Re the centre back opinion what about Bruno Martins Indi ... He was the big name last season ... Also like a Yarlomenko to come in... I know our history with Russian based players isn't the best but still think he would be a talent ... We need a younger version of Gareth Barry ... Who that might be God knows but I'd take a punt on Scherderlin and finally I know both Nasri and Nani name has been mentioned ... I'd take both of them ...
- Bony could be a good fit especially if City are letting him go for a big loss. Koeman loves a target man and Bony thrived in that role at Swansea.
- I haven't been keeping tabs on Martins Indi at Porto but he's always looked a bit rough around the edges whereas de Vrij is much more refined. de Vrij is the superior option, in my opinion, but I'm also not particularly qualified to say. Perhaps someone who follows the Portuguese league better would have more insight.
- I think Mourinho is going to love Schneiderlin so I doubt he'll be available. Would be a no-brainer if he is, though.
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 12, 2016, 01:44:16 AM
De Vrij does give his all though and could be a good signing, but I rate the cb's we have above him at the moment.
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 12, 2016, 01:47:00 AM
Post by: minty on June 12, 2016, 02:40:57 AM
What about van der Wiel for back up/competition for Coleman on a free?
I think he'd rather play for Roma in the champions league but who knows.
Post by: kramer0 on June 12, 2016, 02:59:48 AM
In Holland Martins Indi is classed als the better of the 2! I am not sure on de Vrij as he had bad patches as well and Koeman dropped him at Feyenoord and publicly criticized him ( which gave him a kick up the backside )
De Vrij does give his all though and could be a good signing, but I rate the cb's we have above him at the moment.
Even Funes Mori?!
Also, if you know, is Veltman a better CB or RB?
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 12, 2016, 03:06:39 AM
Even Funes Mori?!
Also, if you know, is Veltman a better CB or RB?
He is a CB who gets played out of position. I would say Jags and Stones are our first choice pairing and would not swap either for de Vrij (yet!)
Post by: Hawkandro on June 12, 2016, 05:40:53 AM
Post by: brap2 on June 12, 2016, 06:33:39 AM
It'd be nice to get one in that we could use as a benchmark, especially if it was someone a bit exciting.
Post by: Toddacelli on June 12, 2016, 01:43:52 PM
He's now been snapped up by mid-to-low-table Lanús in the Argentinian top flight.
This delay in sorting Koeman might really have cost us.
Oh well...
Post by: Brownie on June 12, 2016, 03:17:44 PM
We've just missed out on a striker I've been keeping my eye on banging them in for Emelec in the Ecuadorian League - 15 in 29!!!!
He's now been snapped up by mid-to-low-table Lanús in the Argentinian top flight.
This delay in sorting Koeman might really have cost us.
Oh well...
FFS Koeman out!
Post by: Juanito on June 12, 2016, 03:45:23 PM
We've just missed out on a striker I've been keeping my eye on banging them in for Emelec in the Ecuadorian League - 15 in 29!!!!
He's now been snapped up by mid-to-low-table Lanús in the Argentinian top flight.
This delay in sorting Koeman might really have cost us.
Oh well...
Lanus have been one of the best sides in Argentina for a while.
Post by: TheRam on June 12, 2016, 03:49:30 PM
Good imposing centre half who's good on the ball.
I'd like us to go for him myself.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 13, 2016, 01:01:37 AM
@KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) @ajax_andy (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=104) @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) ??
Post by: Danny on June 13, 2016, 01:20:20 AM
Anyone who's following the Dutch league know much about Sven Van Beek?
@KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) @ajax_andy (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=104)
Loves the Beek
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 13, 2016, 01:26:34 AM
Post by: Makis on June 13, 2016, 01:43:05 AM
Anyone who's following the Dutch league know much about Sven Van Beek?Here's a report on him: http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/04/29/scout-report-sven-van-beek-feyenoord-centre-back/
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Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2016, 01:49:20 AM
77 rated, 21 years of age and loves a good raking pass.
I'm in.
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 13, 2016, 01:53:31 AM
Just bought him on Fifa funnily enough.
77 rated, 21 years of age and loves a good raking pass.
I'm in.
Admit it, it was the name that sucked you in.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2016, 01:56:35 AM
Post by: Brownie on June 13, 2016, 02:11:01 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on June 13, 2016, 02:23:46 AM
Apparently van Beek is pretty good..................not as tasty as van Berger .
Post by: Brownie on June 13, 2016, 02:28:45 AM
..................not as tasty as van Berger .
Mmmmmmmmm.........burger
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 13, 2016, 02:34:42 AM
Here's a report on him: http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/04/29/scout-report-sven-van-beek-feyenoord-centre-back/
Sounds decent.
Be a great, cheaper alternative to VVD and De Vrij.
Also Van Beek saying he want's to 'eat his opponents' is the type of ruthless nut job we need at the back.
The songs we could have for him would be great.
Post by: brap2 on June 13, 2016, 02:45:44 AM
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 13, 2016, 02:56:15 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 13, 2016, 02:59:17 AM
Van Beek? Didn't VDM and Drenthe play with him alot outside of the game?
Was waiting for that.
Post by: Waltzer on June 13, 2016, 03:04:07 AM
Post by: sam of the south on June 13, 2016, 05:18:19 AM
Mustafi and Dier look pretty handy, shame we couldn't sign them!
Yeah, Moyes was great at developing the youngsters 🤔
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 13, 2016, 01:58:14 PM
Arkadiusz Milik is a pretty wicked name.
Arkadiusz was on Fire last night
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 13, 2016, 02:51:33 PM
Arkadiusz was on Fire last night
Boo!
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 13, 2016, 03:16:43 PM
Yeah, Moyes was great at developing the youngsters 🤔
Cheeky!
Post by: ajax_andy on June 14, 2016, 02:14:32 AM
Anyone who's following the Dutch league know much about Sven Van Beek?
@KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) @ajax_andy (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=104) @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) ??
I don't know much tbh as although I married a Dutch girl we live in Newcastle and she hates football :D
Post by: hamshank33 on June 14, 2016, 03:54:56 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 14, 2016, 03:56:20 AM
Presumably Man City will intensify their John Stones pursuit as a result.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2016, 04:38:23 AM
Post by: Gash on June 14, 2016, 04:42:46 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ronald-koeman-eyeing-west-brom-8184421
He can't even decide whether to sign for us never mind persuade anyone else to.
Post by: hill135 on June 14, 2016, 04:46:33 AM
Give me Milik or give me no one.
Post by: kramer0 on June 14, 2016, 05:21:21 AM
There's a lot not to like (his big mouth, for instance) but it could be a clever bit of business. We know he doesn't want to play for Pulis anymore and he's entering the final year of his contract so they probably won't be able to turn down many more big offers. Plus, from the few times I've seen him play he looks like he'd be a very good fit as a wide forward in a 4-3-3 (Koeman's favored system and the favored system of most Dutch managers).
And it's not like we only need one forward (assuming Lukaku goes). There's plenty in the war chest for Milik, Embolo, or whoever else you like.
Post by: Rhys on June 14, 2016, 05:34:34 AM
No we shouldn't go after Pelle so don't start with that shit😪
To be fair he had a really good game tonight, his bad miss aside anyway.
Not saying him as such but shows what we've missed for ages from forwards. Someone with the ability to constantly hold the ball when it goes in to them but not just that knew who was running off him and where so he knew if yo hold or lay it off, and knew where the defenders were coming from to get his body in a really good position to keep them from getting at the ball.
Whereas rom every time it went in to him he wasn't set well enough as he often doesn't and the defenders were getting a touch on the ball before it reached him.
Would be interesting to see rom with a partner at times, if we get the chance, someone like pelle who does that part of the game well so rom could focus on what he does well.
Post by: 74Blue on June 14, 2016, 01:58:21 PM
Post by: MIG on June 14, 2016, 02:39:13 PM
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 14, 2016, 02:41:33 PM
Reckon Koeman could get the best out of him
Just hope he is announced today and that it sparks some real transfer activity from us
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 14, 2016, 02:44:29 PM
The Sun (sorry) says we're interested in Marko Arnautovic who Stoke value at £13m. All I can say is, yes please.
Really?
Managed double figures for the 1st time in his 3 seasons at Stoke last year, even then he only got 11.
Average goal ratio of about 1 in 6 during his time in England.
No thanks.
Post by: MIG on June 14, 2016, 02:55:10 PM
Post by: Makis on June 14, 2016, 02:55:13 PM
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 14, 2016, 03:03:58 PM
12 goals and 6 assists last season. Better than any of our attacking midfielders isn't it?
No, Barkley had more assists!
Post by: MIG on June 14, 2016, 03:07:19 PM
Still, I really like the look of Arnautovic!
Post by: Dirty Ticket on June 14, 2016, 03:16:31 PM
Yeah actually Barkley had 12 goals and 8 assists apparently.me too. and i`d sooner have Pelle and Berahino than take another punt on an untried in the epl `Niasse` type
Still, I really like the look of Arnautovic!
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2016, 03:23:04 PM
Really?
Managed double figures for the 1st time in his 3 seasons at Stoke last year, even then he only got 11.
Average goal ratio of about 1 in 6 during his time in England.
No thanks.
11 is a good return for a midfielder.
At 13 mil I think it represents good value.
Post by: Goaljira on June 14, 2016, 04:32:47 PM
Post by: Rhys on June 14, 2016, 05:03:17 PM
Or more likely the sceptical side of me thinks he really put it in in a year when Austria were making it to the euros so he could either earn a big new contract at Stoke or put himself in the shop window to earn a bigger deal somewhere better than Stoke and will go back to his normal levels of 3-5 goals a season and less application off the ball.
Post by: TSGun on June 14, 2016, 05:07:52 PM
Arnautovic is really talented but I'd question his attitude. Put a lot more effort in last year than previously and got his rewards. Possible that he has realised wasting the talent he had so is working harder.
Or more likely the skeptical side of me thinks he really put it in in a year when Austria were making it to the euros so he could either earn a big new contract at Stoke or put himself in the shop window to earn a bigger deal somewhere better than Stoke and will go back to his normal levels of 3-5 goals a season and less application off the ball.
Have to agree. Talent is trivial without the other applications and he seems lacking in certain parts.
Decent player, what we need?...maybe not.
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2016, 05:13:18 PM
Arnautovic is really talented but I'd question his attitude. Put a lot more effort in last year than previously and got his rewards. Possible that he has realised wasting the talent he had so is working harder.
Or more likely the sceptical side of me thinks he really put it in in a year when Austria were making it to the euros so he could either earn a big new contract at Stoke or put himself in the shop window to earn a bigger deal somewhere better than Stoke and will go back to his normal levels of 3-5 goals a season and less application off the ball.
Mirallautovic.
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2016, 05:15:12 PM
Post by: Danny on June 14, 2016, 05:15:39 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 14, 2016, 05:15:48 PM
He's got a man bun though. For that I'm out.
He's no Ibrahimovic.
Post by: Cozzie on June 14, 2016, 05:17:09 PM
Post by: Trowel on June 14, 2016, 07:03:15 PM
Arnautovic wants to be Ibrahimovic, you can tell.If we had to chose between Arnautovic and an ex-Everton player available on a free, would it be Either-Him-Or-Vic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 14, 2016, 07:15:58 PM
11 is a good return for a midfielder.
At 13 mil I think it represents good value.
He's not a midfielder though
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2016, 07:19:22 PM
1 - He's not that good
2 - Could get far better and for a lot less money than he would cost us
Post by: hill135 on June 14, 2016, 07:23:54 PM
No thanks.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2016, 07:30:16 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on June 14, 2016, 07:34:05 PM
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2016, 07:43:26 PM
He's not a midfielder though
He is though.
Post by: Danny on June 14, 2016, 07:45:20 PM
Ziyech was rumoured to be Koeman's No.1 target for Southampton this summer. I could live with that.Twente relegated as well.
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 14, 2016, 08:03:07 PM
Twente relegated as well.
And about to go into administration !
Post by: Cozzie on June 14, 2016, 08:06:05 PM
Post by: Outworlder47 on June 15, 2016, 04:26:16 AM
Post by: kramer0 on June 15, 2016, 04:35:21 AM
He's definitely worth it even if there are potential translation issues moving from the Eredivisie to the Premier League. I'll be disappointed if we let him move elsewhere.
Post by: Cozzie on June 15, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
I love signings like this as well, it may or may not work out but that's part of the excitement.
Post by: Rhys on June 15, 2016, 04:42:18 AM
Andy hunter saying considering bidding 30m for witsel and looking at Tim Krul as only has 12 months left on his contract.
Post by: Confucius on June 15, 2016, 04:43:59 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 15, 2016, 04:44:57 AM
Only ever seen Witsel for Belgium. Judging Belgium players in a Wilmots system is like judging Everton players in a Martinez system so I'll reserve judgement and go along with the consensus that he's a very good player. Seems a bit expensive though as I'm sure he only has a year left on his deal himself.
No to Tim Krul. He's decidedly second rate.
Oh and yes to Ziyech. Looks exactly what we need and risk-free if he's available as cheaply as reported.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 15, 2016, 04:47:11 AM
Post by: Confucius on June 15, 2016, 04:52:05 AM
Now to get Fellaini back
Post by: Cozzie on June 15, 2016, 05:01:30 AM
I actually don't mind Krul to be honest, might be in the minority there but I think he is decent.
Post by: Cozzie on June 15, 2016, 05:08:19 AM
McGeady, Niasse.....we really need to take a break from buying players from the Russian leagues, haha.
Post by: Goaljira on June 15, 2016, 05:10:26 AM
Only thing that puts me off Witsel is the current league he plies his trade in.You'd think laws of probability and all that we'll end up with a decent one at some point.
McGeady, Niasse.....we really need to take a break from buying players from the Russian leagues, haha.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 15, 2016, 05:11:51 AM
Post by: sam of the south on June 15, 2016, 05:15:18 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 15, 2016, 05:15:52 AM
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 15, 2016, 05:23:14 AM
Signing Witsel would be a statement too.
Post by: kramer0 on June 15, 2016, 05:29:25 AM
Obviously, Ziyech isn't a striker but the general logic stands. For the price quoted, he would be a minor risk with the raw talent to be a very good PL attacker.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 15, 2016, 05:33:34 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 15, 2016, 05:36:31 AM
Please not Tim Krul!
Edit: and The Times as well!
Post by: TheRam on June 15, 2016, 05:38:31 AM
Krul is absolute fucking shite though.
Post by: bacon sarnie on June 15, 2016, 05:47:09 AM
Post by: Cozzie on June 15, 2016, 05:52:22 AM
Quite good with his info this guy, been following him ever since he broke the Lukaku deal last time.
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 15, 2016, 05:59:20 AM
Post by: sam of the south on June 15, 2016, 06:02:59 AM
A mixed bag.
Oh, and Arnautovic.
Like I said, a mixed bag.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 15, 2016, 06:10:15 AM
Post by: Ross on June 15, 2016, 06:43:08 AM
We need someone to stop him getting Krul just to be kind...
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 15, 2016, 12:03:41 PM
Only thing that puts me off Witsel is the current league he plies his trade in.I'm sure Witsel is on about £150k a week at Zenit. This has been a stumbling block when other teams have tried to sign him, during his time there.
McGeady, Niasse.....we really need to take a break from buying players from the Russian leagues, haha.
Post by: Makis on June 15, 2016, 12:40:56 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 15, 2016, 01:13:08 PM
I have to say I'm not too keen on Belgians at the moment for a variety of reasons. Mostly because I've seen two of their international matches lately and none of their players have looked any good. I know their manager is an idiot but I would still have expected more from that lot.
By that logic you wouldn't sign hazard or de Bruyne.
And that's madness.
Post by: Makis on June 15, 2016, 01:29:54 PM
By that logic you wouldn't sign hazard or de Bruyne.Not at the prices they would move, no. Witsel is quoted at 30 million. Sounds a lot for a player who has played in Portugal and Russia.
And that's madness.
Plus Belgians seem a bit too eager to advance their career and/or cause trouble.
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 15, 2016, 02:06:29 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 15, 2016, 02:07:15 PM
The press are talking up a 50m battle between United and City for John Stones.I guess its all about who has the more handsome cock
Post by: Vespa on June 15, 2016, 02:24:39 PM
Post by: Macca77 on June 15, 2016, 02:45:43 PM
Post by: School of Science on June 15, 2016, 02:59:57 PM
Would anyone take 40 million + Daley Blind for Stones?
Not really we need a centre back that is commanding in the air, a Van Diijk perhaps ?
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 15, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
Would anyone take 40 million + Daley Blind for Stones?
Can't see it.
Post by: Juanito on June 15, 2016, 03:34:35 PM
Would anyone take 40 million + Daley Blind for Stones?
I think Blind is a clever player and could be more of a defensive midfielder for us. A replacement for Barry. Blind and Witsel middle of the park?
Post by: Juanito on June 15, 2016, 03:39:31 PM
What we need, is a Payet.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 15, 2016, 06:01:47 PM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 15, 2016, 06:10:13 PM
A clever player on the left please, in the Piennar mould, especially as we have out and out right wingers, in Lennon, Deulofeu, Mirallas.
What we need, is a Payet.
Looks a similar style to Payet .
Post by: Hawkandro on June 15, 2016, 06:24:27 PM
https://twitter.com/HLNinEngeland/status/742842963059998720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Quite good with his info this guy, been following him ever since he broke the Lukaku deal last time.
You would hope Moshiri, through knowing Usmanov, will have the contacts to actually enable us to deal with a Russian team.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 15, 2016, 06:26:02 PM
Post by: Danny on June 15, 2016, 06:26:58 PM
Have we signed Arkadiusz Milik yet?
I want him for his first name alone.
Post by: dekko on June 15, 2016, 06:45:33 PM
You would hope Moshiri, through knowing Usmanov, will have the contacts to actually enable us to deal with a Russian team.
We already have Russia's player of the year. 😜
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 15, 2016, 07:21:59 PM
worth a punt for that price surely?
Post by: Danny on June 15, 2016, 08:02:32 PM
Stoke are being linked with Berahino for £5mill
worth a punt for that price surely?
That'll be a made up price, WBA would get more for him letting him leave on a free in compensation.
Post by: kramer0 on June 15, 2016, 08:07:42 PM
Stoke are being linked with Berahino for £5mill
worth a punt for that price surely?
That seems low. They'd almost certainly get more for him if it went to a tribunal after next season. Ings went for £6.5m + £1.5m in add-ons. It should take at least that much to get a Berahino deal done.
I'd definitely be enquiring for anywhere in the ballpark of that price. He's a potential England international with the ability to play as anywhere across the forward line (especially as a wide forward), i.e. he's versatile and fits the system Koeman is likely to play.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 15, 2016, 08:11:11 PM
Post by: Cassius on June 15, 2016, 08:46:13 PM
Berahino is a really good player who, through immaturity and ego, has lost his way. Not too dissimilar to Grealish, except I think Berahino has proved himself.
With stronger management and moving away from local influences, I think he can flourish as a player. Is Koeman the manager who can provide him with better guidance? I don't know, but he feels like the kind of player who would suit his system.
I think for the money being quoted, it's a no brainer for me.
Post by: kramer0 on June 15, 2016, 08:57:43 PM
Was Witsel the one who made that horror tackle a few years ago?
Yes, and it's still the first thing I think of when I hear him mentioned. It was a real nasty one back when he played for Liege. The video is easy to find for those interested.
I don't think that tackle is at all indicative of his general approach though.
Post by: Danny on June 15, 2016, 09:34:09 PM
Yes, and it's still the first thing I think of when I hear him mentioned. It was a real nasty one back when he played for Liege. The video is easy to find for those interested.
I don't think that tackle is at all indicative of his general approach though.
It was on Wasiliewski of Leicester now as well.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 15, 2016, 09:37:41 PM
Post by: Brownie on June 15, 2016, 10:06:43 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 15, 2016, 10:18:16 PM
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 15, 2016, 10:18:47 PM
Can't say I've ever seen him play but his injury record alone is a concern.
Post by: hill135 on June 15, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 15, 2016, 10:29:56 PM
On the other hand, the market for Lukaku is not developing, and my impression is the bids would be less than what we consider his true value.
Further, I LOVE the options people have mentioned for replacements at CB (which also seem like good value buys), plus I like what we have in Funes Mori and Galloway going forward. We are dealing from a position of strength in selling Stones.
The replacement names at striker are awful, overpriced, and we have absolutely fuckall in the pipeline internally.
Our options to build a team for next season are much more varied and attractive if you have Lukaku and 150m than if you have Stones and 160m (even if you can get that bid, which I am no longer certain you can).
And everybody is mad because Lukaku is in the press, but Stones has consistently been in favor of leaving ever since Mourinho turned his head, and his play on the pitch suffered. There has never been one iota of suggesting anything else. I don't see why people think there's more of a chance to bring Stones back into the fold than Lukaku, when to me, Lukaku has always shown more openness to the concept.
Post by: Tinga on June 15, 2016, 10:30:48 PM
Strootman was a brilliant, complete midfielder before his injury. He's still on the way back and it remains to be seen if he's the player he was.
Agreed. However, it's made me giddy to have us linked with players such as him.
Post by: hill135 on June 15, 2016, 10:34:05 PM
The replacement names at striker are awful, overpriced, and we have absolutely fuckall in the pipeline internally.
How dare you talk that way about Arkadiusz Milik! ;)
Post by: Brownie on June 15, 2016, 10:43:48 PM
Agreed. However, it's made me giddy to have us linked with players such as him.
Always my go to signing on FM after I'd sold big. Is he over his injuries?
Post by: Cozzie on June 15, 2016, 11:06:49 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-manager-ronald-koeman-five-11474241
Post by: Thom on June 15, 2016, 11:51:57 PM
Always my go to signing on FM after I'd sold big. Is he over his injuries?
Had his third operation on the cruciate knee ligament he tore during his debut season with Roma. Played in their last six matches of last season, scored once and said he was relieved to be back.
Guess we'll find out.
Post by: hill135 on June 16, 2016, 12:00:24 AM
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 16, 2016, 12:01:59 AM
What type of midfielder is Witsel? I want us to sign a proper, hard bastard DM. On another note whatever happened to Steven Defour, the other Liege superstar out of Felli, Witsel and him?
I'd say Witsel is an all-rounder/defensive midfielder can be a nasty piece of work, but is a good footballer. I would be happy if we signed him.
Post by: hill135 on June 16, 2016, 12:04:38 AM
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 16, 2016, 12:07:35 AM
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 16, 2016, 12:11:36 AM
Linked tenuously with EYong Enoh of Standard Liege in the Mirror.
Read this and hope it's not true, he had 1 good season at Ajax got loaned to Fulham where he didn't play much and is now at Standaard Luik/Liege, 30 years of age is not really worth taking a gamble on seeing as he is not the caliber of player we should be looking at and especially if we have to buy him! On a free maybe yes to make up the numbers but that's it.
Post by: Cozzie on June 16, 2016, 01:16:40 AM
Strootman as many have said, good player but will no doubt spend more time keeping Gibson company in the treatment room rather than on the pitch.
Post by: hill135 on June 16, 2016, 01:20:03 AM
Roma have sold Pjanic, and are fielding big offers for Nainggolan. I would doubt they want to sell their whole midfield in one window with Strootman leaving too.
Post by: Macca77 on June 16, 2016, 02:36:20 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 16, 2016, 03:04:10 AM
Another thought about Strootman:
Roma have sold Pjanic, and are fielding big offers for Nainggolan. I would doubt they want to sell their whole midfield in one window with Strootman leaving too.
Another thought:
If I remember rightly, Roma actually extended his contract in the middle of his rehabilitation as a vote of confidence in him. Just assuming, but I would think he'd want to stay loyal to a team that has stuck with him through his injuries.
I reckon this rumour is made up.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 16, 2016, 03:26:13 AM
Linked tenuously with EYong Enoh of Standard Liege in the Mirror.
Mate reckons he's a bit of a donkey.....
(http://img.lum.dolimg.com/v1/images/open-uri20150422-20810-11ej849_779819a7.jpeg)
Post by: School of Science on June 16, 2016, 03:38:47 AM
Witsel says he wants to leave Zenit this summer, wants to go to Italy or England and doesn't really mind where as long as it's a "big club".
Southampton then !, Would love us to go for that Perisic the one who plays for Wolfsburg and for Croatia the other night. Impressed me every time I have seen him play.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 16, 2016, 04:26:19 AM
Post by: Hawkandro on June 16, 2016, 04:29:56 AM
Apologies if posted, a run down from the Echo on some of the players Koeman might be interested in.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-manager-ronald-koeman-five-11474241
Would take any of those to be honest. Much better than the list the Express put together the other night.
Echo testing the waters?
Post by: Bluedylan on June 16, 2016, 04:40:21 AM
Would take any of those to be honest. Much better than the list the Express put together the other night.
Echo testing the waters?
I honesty reckon they check forums, and see which names are mentioned. Coincidental that Wijnaldum, Milik and Ziyech have all been talked about a lot?
Post by: jongre123 on June 16, 2016, 04:54:48 AM
Southampton then !, Would love us to go for that Perisic the one who plays for Wolfsburg and for Croatia the other night. Impressed me every time I have seen him play.Speaking of Serie A wingers, Candreva would be a good target. Lazio are without Europe next season and with the money we have now if were to make a tempting offer he is someone that would undeniably be a star signing.
Post by: Cozzie on June 16, 2016, 05:47:37 AM
Would take any of those to be honest. Much better than the list the Express put together the other night.
Echo testing the waters?
Probably so, Ziyech is the main one I would want from that list.
Other than the last two, like BD said a lot of that wont really be concrete just putting two and two together with some of the names thrown about lately.
Post by: TheRam on June 16, 2016, 01:27:34 PM
Another thought:
If I remember rightly, Roma actually extended his contract in the middle of his rehabilitation as a vote of confidence in him. Just assuming, but I would think he'd want to stay loyal to a team that has stuck with him through his injuries.
I reckon this rumour is made up.
Him wanting to be loyal and us being interested wouldn't have a direct correlation.
Plus if the echo are running an article on it then I doubt very much it will be made up.
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 16, 2016, 04:55:43 PM
Post by: Tinga on June 16, 2016, 07:44:03 PM
I reckon we'll make 4 or 5 sensible signings this summer and one absolutely bonkers one for like 45 million. Like when City signed Robinho.
Let's hope it doesn't turn out how Robinho did.
I keep forgetting we have genuine money and when I remember I get all excited. lolol Love it.
Post by: Hesmenos on June 17, 2016, 01:59:36 AM
Not sure if we are really in for him, or they're using us to get a better deal.
He's actually had a really good season. Joint 4th top scorer in the league playing for a team that struggled, and recently called up to the national team.
Post by: brap2 on June 17, 2016, 03:03:46 AM
There was an interview with Apostolos Vellios's dad a few days ago, where they asked him if his son had decided on which team he would join next season. He's had offers from Olympiakos, AEK, Atalanta and Nottingham Forest. His dad said that he hadn't decided yet as they were still waiting for an offer from Everton, which was being delayed as Everton still didn't have a manager (this was before Koeman was announced.
Not sure if we are really in for him, or they're using us to get a better deal.
He's actually had a really good season. Joint 4th top scorer in the league playing for a team that struggled, and recently called up to the national team.
Can't see that.
I did quite like Vellios but he's surely not prem standard.
Post by: Brownie on June 17, 2016, 03:19:25 AM
Can't see that.
I did quite like Vellios but he's surely not prem standard.
Scored the winning goal for me on FM in the 2nd leg of the CL semi final against Bar Elna. Sign him up
Post by: Hawkandro on June 17, 2016, 05:16:17 AM
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 17, 2016, 06:56:00 AM
Scored the winning goal for me on FM in the 2nd leg of the CL semi final against Bar Elna. Sign him upBar Elna? Sounds like a lovely place, drinks reasonably priced?
Post by: Brownie on June 17, 2016, 07:15:19 AM
Bar Elna? Sounds like a lovely place, drinks reasonably priced?
Yeah, topless barmaids too, and the fruit machine always pays out
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 17, 2016, 01:55:35 PM
I'm not overly fussed about this kid. Could push on and be a beast but nowhere near the finished article. I still hold hope that Koeman can get the best out of Niasse and he can be our Wanchope/Bolasie/Niang wildcard forward.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 17, 2016, 02:43:16 PM
Bar Elna? Sounds like a lovely place, drinks reasonably priced?
It's no club Tropicana (drinks are free)
Post by: Thom on June 17, 2016, 04:14:03 PM
Played for PSG and Toulouse throughout his career too, can play at centre-half if needed and 28-years-old, so not too old/young.
Never heard of him before, but the only other clubs linked to him this morning are Sunderland and Middlesbrough, so who knows if he's any good or not.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 17, 2016, 04:31:20 PM
Linked with Bordeaux midfielder Clement Chantome on a free transfer this morning.
Played for PSG and Toulouse throughout his career too, can play at centre-half if needed and 28-years-old, so not too old/young.
Never heard of him before, but the only other clubs linked to him this morning are Sunderland and Middlesbrough, so who knows if he's any good or not.
Sounds like a a decent squad addition. And boy do we need em.
Post by: sam of the south on June 17, 2016, 06:58:19 PM
Post by: GLewis on June 17, 2016, 07:05:12 PM
Our old mate Niang back on the radar because he did a daring jump into a pool and got told off by Milan
Given how he smashed up his Ferrari once I'm assuming it was some sort of Mexican cliff dive!
Post by: pjk on June 17, 2016, 07:09:03 PM
Post by: hill135 on June 17, 2016, 07:28:21 PM
There was a quote from the President of Montpellier when he was on loan there along the lines of: "it wasn't that we had to teach him which runs to make, but we had to teach to actually run in the first place".
He's an OK footballer, if a bit raw. But I don't think he has the mental abilities to push on that much.
Post by: kramer0 on June 17, 2016, 08:08:20 PM
I don't think he was getting into the Swansea team regularly under Guidolin so he should be affordable. Maybe he's not the right sort of player we need on the left but he's a very interesting player nonetheless.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 17, 2016, 08:39:05 PM
No to Niang.
There was a quote from the President of Montpellier when he was on loan there along the lines of: "it wasn't that we had to teach him which runs to make, but we had to teach to actually run in the first place".
He's an OK footballer, if a bit raw. But I don't think he has the mental abilities to push on that much.
So, a step up from Niasse then.
Post by: blargins on June 17, 2016, 08:43:05 PM
Given how he smashed up his Ferrari once I'm assuming it was some sort of Mexican cliff dive!
I heard it was because he was running in the pool area.
Post by: TheTone on June 17, 2016, 08:54:08 PM
No to Niang.
There was a quote from the President of Montpellier when he was on loan there along the lines of: "it wasn't that we had to teach him which runs to make, but we had to teach to actually run in the first place".
He's an OK footballer, if a bit raw. But I don't think he has the mental abilities to push on that much.
racist that mate like
Post by: Bluedylan on June 17, 2016, 08:56:09 PM
Post by: hill135 on June 17, 2016, 08:57:26 PM
Post by: GLewis on June 17, 2016, 09:38:48 PM
Has nothing but the knock down the line.
Post by: kramer0 on June 17, 2016, 09:51:25 PM
Post by: blueski on June 17, 2016, 09:52:27 PM
Post by: Shogun on June 17, 2016, 10:08:22 PM
Post by: GLewis on June 17, 2016, 10:21:33 PM
I'd have Giaccherini
For Fiorentina?
Post by: Shogun on June 17, 2016, 10:27:37 PM
For Fiorentina?
Oh you
Post by: Confucius on June 17, 2016, 11:23:31 PM
Post by: blueski on June 17, 2016, 11:33:53 PM
Some stupid stuff that. A club has paid huge money for him and if he gets hurt doing that, he should have his contract terminated.probably, still looks fun though
probs nobody would care if it was a cliff jump into the ocean but make it a building roof and a pool and people go mental
btw like how whoever posted this blag video makes the web ad plunge in as well
Post by: ForzaItalia on June 18, 2016, 02:40:31 AM
I'd have GiaccheriniNo ta
Post by: djws1788 on June 18, 2016, 04:45:08 PM
probably, still looks fun though
probs nobody would care if it was a cliff jump into the ocean but make it a building roof and a pool and people go mental
btw like how whoever posted this blag video makes the web ad plunge in as well
he's rehabbing damaged ankle ligaments suffered in a car accident that made him miss the last 2 months of the season, I'd be pissed if I were Milan too.
Post by: ally2 on June 18, 2016, 05:32:31 PM
Have we signed Arkadiusz Milik yet?
Noah we haven't.
Post by: hill135 on June 18, 2016, 06:43:36 PM
No thanks.
Post by: Shogun on June 18, 2016, 07:21:10 PM
Sky Italia says we've entered the running for Simone Zaza.
No thanks.
Did well at Sassuolo but never convinced me. Think it's his bald head.
Post by: pjk on June 18, 2016, 10:19:44 PM
Post by: Macca77 on June 19, 2016, 12:19:16 AM
The end.
Post by: fubarruk on June 19, 2016, 01:09:23 AM
Oh jesus, i hate this silly season, the amount of players we've been linked with is ridiculous, so from now on I refuse to believe any rumours until I see pictures of the players at Goodison holding a scarf aloft.Added to the fact that Koeman has said he will assess squad before he does anything in transfer market, he can't do that until they report back, we won't see any transfer movement for several weeks at least.
The end.
Any rumour over the next month is complete bollocks and pure speculation, either that or our new manager is already talking out his arse.
Anyone that gives any rumour the slightest consideration until the players are well into pre-season are fooling themselves.
Patience is the key, unfortunately for those that have none, this is going to be a long summer.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 19, 2016, 01:25:51 AM
we won't see any transfer movement for several weeks at least.
Disagree. I think there'll be summat in the next week or so.
Post by: Ross on June 19, 2016, 01:27:47 AM
Post by: Brownie on June 19, 2016, 01:49:04 AM
Added to the fact that Koeman has said he will assess squad before he does anything in transfer market, he can't do that until they report back, we won't see any transfer movement for several weeks at least.
Any rumour over the next month is complete bollocks and pure speculation, either that or our new manager is already talking out his arse.
Anyone that gives any rumour the slightest consideration until the players are well into pre-season are fooling themselves.
Patience is the key, unfortunately for those that have none, this is going to be a long summer.
He can assess the squad without them being there. The amount of data they will gave on players ranging from matches on DVD, stats, fitness tests etc and talking to coaches who are there currently, makes it easy.
Post by: Blue Lagoon on June 19, 2016, 01:52:30 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 19, 2016, 01:55:35 AM
Need a DoF in place before the transfers start rolling as Ronnie said.
I hear what you're saying, but Koeman will have transfer targets and I think we might move on one or two of them quickly, especially if we're looking at getting somewhere between 5-8 players over the whole window, at a rough estimate.
Post by: Trowel on June 19, 2016, 02:37:39 AM
I hear what you're saying, but Koeman will have transfer targets and I think we might move on one or two of them quickly, especially if we're looking at getting somewhere between 5-8 players over the whole window, at a rough estimate.Also he would have been planning targets with his DoF at Southampton for months, and given we're in a similar (better?) position for recruitment, there must be half a dozen names at least that he can already get the club starting to investigate moves for.
Post by: Ross on June 19, 2016, 03:50:13 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 19, 2016, 06:25:37 AM
25 million bones for Wijnaldum. Get to fuck!
Post by: ally2 on June 19, 2016, 06:37:08 AM
Post by: TheRam on June 19, 2016, 06:45:36 AM
Can't help but feel he'll be one of those players that just goes through the motions though.
Post by: Rhys on June 19, 2016, 06:47:37 AM
Witsel impressed me today.
Can't help but feel he'll be one of those players that just goes through the motions though.
You mean a Belgian player?
Post by: Bluedylan on June 19, 2016, 07:07:43 AM
Lots of decisions and potentially treacherous waters to navigate for our recruitment people. Other clubs have shown that it's easy to blow £100m and end up wondering where it went, and whether it was used properly.
(nice to have this problem for a change)
Post by: Redartin on June 19, 2016, 03:53:53 PM
Witsel impressed me today.
Can't help but feel he'll be one of those players that just goes through the motions though.
Is his father still alive?
Seems to be a big factor when dealing with a Belgian.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 19, 2016, 11:32:24 PM
Good. Wouldn't mind him but about £10m cheaper, and if they're not having that, shop elsewhere.
Post by: hill135 on June 19, 2016, 11:36:27 PM
The Esk is saying Juan Mata. Not sure what to make of him anymore.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 19, 2016, 11:53:38 PM
Post by: Confucius on June 19, 2016, 11:55:05 PM
Post by: hill135 on June 20, 2016, 12:01:10 AM
I think he could play very well off the left for us. I also think he's a fair bit better than hill, but made a shit choice of club to go to. Most people are cheapened by association to Newcastle.
I'm judging him purely on his Newcastle stint as I'd only seem him a couple of times before so it might not be a fair assessment, and I agree no one comes out of Newcastle looking well.
But I don't really see what his role is, apart from grabbing goals from late runs. I wouldn't like him on the left as he doesn't seem much of a link player - possessing only average vision - and nor does he seem like a winger, inverted or otherwise.
I reckon he'd be quite good as a number 8 in 1-2 midfield three, but where does that leave Barkley?
Post by: Blue Lagoon on June 20, 2016, 12:04:49 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 20, 2016, 12:14:11 AM
I'm judging him purely on his Newcastle stint as I'd only seem him a couple of times before so it might not be a fair assessment, and I agree no one comes out of Newcastle looking well.
But I don't really see what his role is, apart from grabbing goals from late runs. I wouldn't like him on the left as he doesn't seem much of a link player - possessing only average vision - and nor does he seem like a winger, inverted or otherwise.
I reckon he'd be quite good as a number 8 in 1-2 midfield three, but where does that leave Barkley?
I see him as someone who could play any of the three positions behind the striker in a 4-2-3-1 (which we're told is Koeman's preferred formation). 11 goals from midfield in a relegated team is pretty good (albeit 4 were in one game).
Post by: Shogun on June 20, 2016, 12:18:01 AM
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Post by: AllyBlue14 on June 20, 2016, 02:55:42 AM
I want Adil Rami to be the centre half we sign.
Not really seen him play much, but they've been saying he's the one in the French defence most likely to have a mistake in him.
Post by: hill135 on June 20, 2016, 02:57:24 AM
Post by: Trowel on June 20, 2016, 02:57:40 AM
I want Adil Rami to be the centre half we sign.Strikes me as a classic "tournament signing", off the back of being part of a good team rather than having any particularly outstanding qualities in himself.
That goes for his rise to attention with Sevilla's run, and he was diabolical in France's first game. He was lucky to keep his place especially as he was only called up because of Varane's injury.
Also seems a bit of a dick:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/sevilla-star-adil-rami-ridiculous-7052465
Post by: AllyBlue14 on June 20, 2016, 02:58:50 AM
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Post by: Bluedylan on June 20, 2016, 04:09:34 AM
Post by: Confucius on June 20, 2016, 04:13:08 AM
Yep, would defo have a bit of Nolito.
which bit?
Post by: Bluedylan on June 20, 2016, 04:16:21 AM
which bit?
Any bit that scores goals
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 20, 2016, 04:20:44 AM
Post by: Danny on June 20, 2016, 04:31:40 AM
Nolito available for £14m. Yes please.
Had never heard of him until he ripped us apart in that friendly, quality player.
Post by: TheRam on June 20, 2016, 05:06:36 AM
Yeslito
You're in a Dimitri Payet veign of form at the moment.
Post by: Goaljira on June 20, 2016, 05:13:19 AM
You're in a Dimitri Payet veign of form at the moment.We've got Sir Stealth...
Post by: TheRam on June 20, 2016, 05:19:25 AM
We've got Sir Stealth...
He' NSNO's man......
Post by: ajax_andy on June 20, 2016, 02:07:40 PM
Newcastle fans probably would have taken Martinez that's how shit McClaren was for them, doesn't surprise me that some of their players wouldn't stand out in their system but he still scored 11 goals.
They absolutely would have... I live I Newcastle and was moaning to my Newcastle supporter neighbour about Martinez about half way through the season... he said they'd have Martinez in a heart beat. He also said 'but you're 11th which is about right'... bloody Geordies!
Post by: Brownie on June 20, 2016, 04:57:48 PM
Is that not a hint actually a hint?
Post by: Goaljira on June 20, 2016, 05:16:02 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kenwright-reveals-moshiri-vision-everton-11495601
Is that not a hint actually a hint?
Depends on if you think Bill is a genius or stupid.
If he's smart, then he'll have used the example of a name previously linked with us so as not to reveal actual potential targets.
If he's not, then he's just blurted the name of someone that was in his head then tried to backtrack.
Post by: Alanvideo on June 20, 2016, 05:16:23 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kenwright-reveals-moshiri-vision-everton-11495601..............nudge nudge ,wink wink ,say no more nod
Is that not a hint actually a hint?
Post by: di_guyo on June 20, 2016, 05:49:51 PM
Swerve Wijnaldum.
Post by: Macca77 on June 20, 2016, 06:24:30 PM
which bit?
His throbbing cock
Post by: Bluedylan on June 20, 2016, 09:27:40 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3650586/Everton-chasing-16m-Porto-striker-Vincent-Aboubakar-partner-Romelu-Lukaku-not-replace-despite-Juventus-interest.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Post by: hill135 on June 20, 2016, 09:29:31 PM
Post by: Heisenberg on June 21, 2016, 12:25:43 AM
lukaku
Nolito Mata Del/Mirralas
Barkley Schneiderlin
I could live with that
Post by: ally2 on June 21, 2016, 12:27:47 AM
Mata went from 14/1 to 2/1 to join everton today. Also linked with Schneiderlin according to my mate (may be an utter lie)
lukaku
Nolito Mata Del/Mirralas
Barkley Schneiderlin
I could live with that
Schneiderlin would be busy
Post by: Alex6691 on June 21, 2016, 12:33:49 AM
Post by: TheRam on June 21, 2016, 12:35:15 AM
Post by: ally2 on June 21, 2016, 12:45:24 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 21, 2016, 12:51:01 AM
Post by: BlackWatch on June 21, 2016, 12:52:38 AM
Yeah I'm not into Mata either
Why what's the Mata?
Post by: Ross on June 21, 2016, 12:54:02 AM
Post by: ally2 on June 21, 2016, 01:08:22 AM
Post by: Heisenberg on June 21, 2016, 01:11:27 AM
Post by: Cozzie on June 21, 2016, 01:14:41 AM
Schneiderlin would be an excellent buy as well, but surely Mourinho wont sell him, he is looking at getting Matic so it would make sense he would pair him up in the middle with Schneiderlin.
Could be wrong though, if he doesn't fancy Morgan then it would make sense for us to go for him, as he has worked with Koeman before.
Be the perfect long term replacement to Barry.
Post by: kramer0 on June 21, 2016, 03:58:46 AM
I'd be ecstatic with any of those joining our midfield (if we have the pull to attract them here).
Post by: bacon sarnie on June 21, 2016, 04:24:05 AM
Post by: brap2 on June 21, 2016, 04:41:52 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 21, 2016, 06:36:08 AM
Seems to me he wants his players to be impressive athletes at a minimum. I wonder if we can rule out players like Mata, Blind etc on that basis?
Post by: kramer0 on June 21, 2016, 06:59:37 AM
I would like to ask Southampton fans about the profile of a typical 'Koeman player' so we can assess the likelihood of these rumours.
Seems to me he wants his players to be impressive athletes at a minimum. I wonder if we can rule out players like Mata, Blind etc on that basis?
Do you consider Clasie athletic? I don't think the criteria quite holds for CM/DMs.
It certainly seems true of other positions though. Koeman got a lot out of Elia two seasons ago purely because of his pace.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 21, 2016, 03:40:48 PM
Post by: GLewis on June 21, 2016, 03:46:08 PM
I'd expect a balanced side as you can't play decent possession football with a team of runners (as we saw).
Post by: DanDan on June 21, 2016, 04:50:47 PM
Post by: sam of the south on June 21, 2016, 05:07:07 PM
Arsenal have entered the race to sign Lukaku for 31m in a report in the Express that's just popped up on twitter
How much are they gonna bid for his left leg?
Post by: sam of the south on June 21, 2016, 05:17:52 PM
How much are they gonna bid for his left leg?
And how about his third leg..
:badum:
Post by: Alanvideo on June 21, 2016, 05:31:35 PM
Arsenal have entered the race to sign Lukaku for 31m in a report in the Express that's just popped up on twitter.........Leicester have reportedly bid £30m for Deeney. On that basis Rom must be worth somewhere north of £60m
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 21, 2016, 06:41:41 PM
And how about his third leg..
:badum:
Diddle diddle diddle dum
Post by: hill135 on June 21, 2016, 07:15:48 PM
Do you consider Clasie athletic? I don't think the criteria quite holds for CM/DMs.
It certainly seems true of other positions though. Koeman got a lot out of Elia two seasons ago purely because of his pace.
I supposed I would.
He's a midget and has no strength but he can get about the pitch and has good stamina.
Post by: Goaljira on June 21, 2016, 07:40:13 PM
Heart says: He's 32, but would be cheap and bring a lot of experience even if only for a year or two. Also gives us a different option to what we've got.
Head says: He's 32. We shouldn't be going near him.
Post by: Trowel on June 21, 2016, 07:47:57 PM
Head says: seriously, WTF??
Post by: hill135 on June 21, 2016, 08:46:41 PM
No thanks.
Post by: Danny on June 21, 2016, 08:54:17 PM
Heart says: wtf?
Head says: seriously, WTF??
Heart says quality player, head says it's not my money so may as well.
Post by: Tinga on June 21, 2016, 08:56:35 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 21, 2016, 08:57:59 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 21, 2016, 09:17:17 PM
Before 1st July me thinks.....
Post by: Hawkandro on June 21, 2016, 09:50:01 PM
*Taps nose*
Post by: hill135 on June 21, 2016, 09:50:36 PM
How long before were linked with Hunterlaa?
Before 1st July me thinks.....
Hunterlid?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 21, 2016, 09:54:11 PM
Hunterlid?
Hunterlad.
Post by: brap2 on June 21, 2016, 11:33:17 PM
Post by: 74Blue on June 22, 2016, 12:40:48 AM
How long before were linked with Hunterlaa?He's pyar Klaas him lad
Before 1st July me thinks.....
Post by: hill135 on June 22, 2016, 01:47:43 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-set-make-transfer-splash-11505259
Post by: Cozzie on June 22, 2016, 01:58:03 AM
Exciting stuff in here
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-set-make-transfer-splash-11505259
Stop it, I am gonna jizz myself silly otherwise.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 22, 2016, 02:00:37 AM
Exciting stuff in here
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-set-make-transfer-splash-11505259
Definitely.
Nevermind making the rest of the league sit up and take notice, I think some of our fans need to realise the extent of the ambition. The 'it's going to be Moyes innit?' and 'Everton that' mindset is thankfully going to be a thing of the past.
Post by: GLewis on June 22, 2016, 02:02:36 AM
Exciting stuff in here
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-set-make-transfer-splash-11505259
Tails off a bit given that it lists £200m worth of players, some of whom aren't exciting, that City signed, then says that prices have rocketed and that we'll "only" have half of that amount if we don't sell anyone!
Unless of course we don't think we need that many bodies and can focus that £100m on 3 players.
Post by: Gash on June 22, 2016, 02:14:33 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 22, 2016, 02:16:05 AM
My money's on Juan Mata.
Post by: Cozzie on June 22, 2016, 02:18:23 AM
I am hoping that we buy a few 10-15-20M players then buy one big Marquee signing as it where, I could live with that, the Marquee signing being the one that makes the statement that we mean business.
I just hope the rest of our spending is structured and not squandered.
The last thing I want is a team full of mercenaries.
Post by: Cozzie on June 22, 2016, 02:19:16 AM
Who do we think the marquee man is gonna be though?
My money's on Juan Mata.
YARMOLENKO.
Don't actually reckon it will be though, tough one, if Rom goes, I would like us to spend heavy on a world class forward.
If Rom stays then as you said, likely Mata or someone.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 22, 2016, 02:21:12 AM
Who do we think the marquee man is gonna be though?
My money's on Juan Mata.
I know Mata's been mentioned by the Esk, and his info seems to be relatively reliable, but I just don't see it with Mata. Great player no doubt, but he doesn't offer anything defensively and is a bit of a luxury player in some ways. Doesn't feel like a Koeman player.
Post by: TheTone on June 22, 2016, 02:29:47 AM
Who do we think the marquee man is gonna be though?
My money's on Juan Mata.
Mané , outbidding the shite in the process
Post by: hill135 on June 22, 2016, 02:34:46 AM
I know Mata's been mentioned by the Esk, and his info seems to be relatively reliable, but I just don't see it with Mata. Great player no doubt, but he doesn't offer anything defensively and is a bit of a luxury player in some ways. Doesn't feel like a Koeman player.
I've had similar thoughts about Mata myself. Not really sure what to think of him as a player anymore. I'm taking old Esky's word for it though as I'm 60 notes richer thanks to him.
If it were up to me and I was able to buy one 30 million player to improve one area of the team it would be central midfield.
Post by: Silas on June 22, 2016, 02:42:36 AM
Post by: Cozzie on June 22, 2016, 02:49:57 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 22, 2016, 02:51:43 AM
Based on that assist I have just seen for Croatia, would love Peresic here, quality with either foot.
Only just gone to Inter mate.
Post by: School of Science on June 22, 2016, 02:52:14 AM
Based on that assist I have just seen for Croatia, would love Peresic here, quality with either foot.
Would love him here, just made another goal against Spain....Considers sending a begging letter to Moshiri, please can we have Peresic !
Post by: Goaljira on June 22, 2016, 02:52:45 AM
You could argue that Rom, Barkley and Stones would all be 'marquee' signings like a Robinho would have been, so to keep them whilst not being 'like a new signing' as previous regimes would say, it does mean that with £100m to spend its supplementing a squad already sprinkled with quality.
To use that on a top top keeper and two centre midfielders then our first team would be the envy of all but the established CL teams and should be able to compete with anyone.
Post by: Brownie on June 22, 2016, 02:53:58 AM
Only just gone to Inter mate.
They've signed Banega too. What a double swoop
Post by: hill135 on June 22, 2016, 02:58:28 AM
We're starting off from a better position squad wise than City did.
You could argue that Rom, Barkley and Stones would all be 'marquee' signings like a Robinho would have been, so to keep them whilst not being 'like a new signing' as previous regimes would say, it does mean that with £100m to spend its supplementing a squad already sprinkled with quality.
Good point this.
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 22, 2016, 03:20:22 AM
We're starting off from a better position squad wise than City did.
You could argue that Rom, Barkley and Stones would all be 'marquee' signings like a Robinho would have been, so to keep them whilst not being 'like a new signing' as previous regimes would say, it does mean that with £100m to spend its supplementing a squad already sprinkled with quality.
To use that on a top top keeper and two centre midfielders then our first team would be the envy of all but the established CL teams and should be able to compete with anyone.
Whilst that is undoubtedly true - what £100m bought them vastly outstrips what £100m is going to buy us.
They'd also had a few years of Shinawatra bulking up their squad so it wasn't exactly a mediocre team.
Post by: Goaljira on June 22, 2016, 03:30:20 AM
Hart
Richards
Kompany
Lescott
Kolarov
Milner
Toure
De Jong
Silva
Ballotelli
Dzeko
In comparison:
Keeper
Coleman
Stones
Jagielka
Baines
Midfielder
Midfielder
Barkley
Deulofeu
Mirallas
Lukaku
I don't think there's 'much' in that. Only real issue is that they had Aguero on the bench....
Post by: Cozzie on June 22, 2016, 03:32:31 AM
Only just gone to Inter mate.
Hasn't he been there one season?
Still don't think it would be too out the question given the right offer.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 22, 2016, 03:42:27 AM
Post by: Cozzie on June 22, 2016, 03:45:00 AM
GET PERISIC SIGNED UP NOW.
Post by: TheRam on June 22, 2016, 04:21:49 AM
He's a fucking great player
Post by: Shogun on June 22, 2016, 04:28:11 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 22, 2016, 04:29:54 AM
I know how it goes: a player comes up, some people like them some people don't, and I come in and say he's shit.
I know it's so boringly predictable. I know I'm the Greg o Keefe of this forum. I know I'm becoming a parody of myself. I know I'm an opinion hipster.
But...
Perisic is quite an ordinary player. Wasn't good enough for Dortmund before they were good. In and out of the line up of a quite mediocre Wolfsburg team (which we smashed). And now putting in OK performances for an underwhelming Inter team. He doesn't play like that every week.
(Praying @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) agrees with me. He thinks everyone's shit too).
Post by: brap2 on June 22, 2016, 04:30:18 AM
Hasn't really convinced me for Inter, mind you that's a tough thing to do for anyone.
So, you're saying there's a chance?
Post by: Shogun on June 22, 2016, 04:31:59 AM
I'm sorry lads.
I know how it goes: a player comes up, some people like them some people don't, and I come in and say he's shit.
I know it's so boringly predictable. I know I'm the Greg o Keefe of this forum. I know I'm becoming a parody of myself. I know I'm an opinion hipster.
But...
Perisic is quite an ordinary player. Wasn't good enough for Dortmund before they were good. In and out of the line up of a quite mediocre Wolfsburg team (which we smashed). And now putting in OK performances for an underwhelming Inter team. He doesn't play like that every week.
(Praying @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) agrees with me. He thinks everyone's shit too).
Scroll up :)
Post by: hill135 on June 22, 2016, 04:34:38 AM
Scroll up :)
Took too long typing to notice your comments.
One tool so far. I'm not wumming! I genuinely believe it.
Post by: Shogun on June 22, 2016, 04:37:09 AM
Took too long typing to notice your comments.
One tool so far. I'm not wumming! I genuinely believe it.
I agree with you, Icardi and Jovetic (when he plays) performed better than him last season in Inter's forward line.
He's certainly no better than Mirallas.
Post by: TheRam on June 22, 2016, 05:04:44 AM
Post by: Shogun on June 22, 2016, 05:09:06 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 22, 2016, 05:14:39 AM
Shut up, lads.
Well I'm revoking your invite to Calcio Club with that tongue!
Post by: Goaljira on June 22, 2016, 05:20:36 AM
All the wingers that we obsess about turn out shite anyway. N'Zogbia, Shaqiri, Yarmolenko...McGeady
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 22, 2016, 09:40:10 AM
Post by: Confucius on June 22, 2016, 10:47:32 AM
Post by: kramer0 on June 22, 2016, 11:18:34 AM
When Martinez took over, we had 4 new signings by now.
(1) I'm fairly confident that we didn't make any signings until July that summer.
(2) Petty details aside, three of those signings were Alcaraz, Kone, and Robles. I am very comfortable with the patient approach.
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 22, 2016, 12:45:33 PM
(1) I'm fairly confident that we didn't make any signings until July that summer.
(2) Petty details aside, three of those signings were Alcaraz, Kone, and Robles. I am very comfortable with the patient approach.
Kone was the 1st and he came in on the 8th July yeah. Robles and Alcaraz on the 9th. (Then McCarthy on the 2nd Sept with the 2 loan deals)
The following year though (a tournament year), we didnt sign anybody until Besic on the 28th July.
Post by: Macca77 on June 22, 2016, 02:38:36 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-set-make-transfer-splash-11505259
Post by: Heisenberg on June 22, 2016, 02:48:54 PM
Post by: Juanito on June 22, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
City's starting lineup in the 2011 Charity Shield after 3 years of Sheikh Mansour was:
Hart
Richards
Kompany
Lescott
Kolarov
Milner
Toure
De Jong
Silva
Ballotelli
Dzeko
In comparison:
Keeper
Coleman
Stones
Jagielka
Baines
Midfielder
Midfielder
Barkley
Deulofeu
Mirallas
Lukaku
I don't think there's 'much' in that. Only real issue is that they had Aguero on the bench....
You expect us to buy two defensive midfielders? I would not mind Witsel and Strootman there, with Horn in goal.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 22, 2016, 03:09:29 PM
That robinho transfer would have been about 60mil this season. This 100mil really isn't going to get us muchAgree, however, the £100m is just a ball-park figure being quoted by the media. I'd like to think Moshiri will spend a bit more than just the £100m TV money.
Post by: Macca77 on June 22, 2016, 03:11:33 PM
Post by: Juanito on June 22, 2016, 03:13:59 PM
I know Mata's been mentioned by the Esk, and his info seems to be relatively reliable, but I just don't see it with Mata. Great player no doubt, but he doesn't offer anything defensively and is a bit of a luxury player in some ways. Doesn't feel like a Koeman player.
I thought that. A midfield three of Barkey, Deulofeu and Mata, certainly wouldn't help the defence out but I wondered if Mata could play the position out on the left for us, working with Baines?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 22, 2016, 04:35:03 PM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 22, 2016, 04:37:54 PM
I'm sorry lads.
I know how it goes: a player comes up, some people like them some people don't, and I come in and say he's shit.
I know it's so boringly predictable. I know I'm the Greg o Keefe of this forum. I know I'm becoming a parody of myself. I know I'm an opinion hipster.
But...
Perisic is quite an ordinary player. Wasn't good enough for Dortmund before they were good. In and out of the line up of a quite mediocre Wolfsburg team (which we smashed). And now putting in OK performances for an underwhelming Inter team. He doesn't play like that every week.
(Praying @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) agrees with me. He thinks everyone's shit too).
You were right about everything in that one . I like Hakim Ziyech and if he hadn't opted to play for Morocco he may have been the next big Oranje star . Take a chance on him now rather than in 3 years when he has been at a bigger club . Do you think he is shit though ?
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 22, 2016, 05:04:54 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 22, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
We need a creator with a brain . We don't have one .
Axel Witzel. And Barkley would play off him nicely. Now that Rom's head has been turned back in the right direction, we need him talking to Witzel about how awesome it is to be a footballer on Merseyside...
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 22, 2016, 06:04:08 PM
If we end up selling Stones, could we perhaps get Mata AND Witzel? Have a frontline of Witzel, Mata, Deulofeu? With Barkley playing a deeper role? Pretty sexy to think about.
Post by: Goaljira on June 22, 2016, 06:15:09 PM
I was talking to a Chelski fan yesterday at the car repair shop (I know, but it's the American South, slim pickings) and he loved Witzel's all-around game too. Seemed to think his valuation would be more in the 20-25m range, so even if he's underestimating perhaps he won't break the bank.
If we end up selling Stones, could we perhaps get Mata AND Witzel? Have a frontline of Witzel, Mata, Deulofeu? With Barkley playing a deeper role? Pretty sexy to think about.
Witsel plays deeper.
Post by: blue slug on June 22, 2016, 06:17:16 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 22, 2016, 06:43:34 PM
Witsel plays deeper.
Thanks. Hard for me to tell in that last Belgium game, fucker was all over the pitch! Anyway, let's for sure have him, and maybe Mata too.
Post by: hill135 on June 22, 2016, 06:55:26 PM
You were right about everything in that one . I like Hakim Ziyech and if he hadn't opted to play for Morocco he may have been the next big Oranje star . Take a chance on him now rather than in 3 years when he has been at a bigger club . Do you think he is shit though ?
No. I watched a 10 minute long Youtube video and concluded he was very good.
A water-tight scouting method!
Post by: Shogun on June 22, 2016, 07:15:22 PM
Post by: GLewis on June 22, 2016, 07:17:05 PM
Even taking Mirallas as an option (which he should be) I don't think Mata would suit playing there.
Unless deulofeu can be taught to play the other side we'd still be short there.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 22, 2016, 07:24:37 PM
Mata wouldn't solve the problem on the left though.
Even taking Mirallas as an option (which he should be) I don't think Mata would suit playing there.
Unless deulofeu can be taught to play the other side we'd still be short there.
Who says Lennon is gonna be left wing? ;)
Post by: Hawkandro on June 22, 2016, 08:30:16 PM
Be assed with the puns on here if we signed Mata.
Oh, go Juan. Don't be so miserable.
Post by: Alanvideo on June 22, 2016, 08:51:07 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 22, 2016, 08:58:02 PM
A year ago we'd have been excited about signing Mata ,now it's just meh ,ok ,whatever. Who do people think we can realistically attract ? Just asking like .
It's not 'meh'. People recognise his talent. It's more 'how would he fit in with us, what do we need and what would it mean for other players?'
Koeman and his fitness coach have already said we're going to be playing a pressing style this season, so does Mata fit into that? Probably not, from what I've seen of him.
I'd sooner us sign specifically targeted players that will work in a coherent system than worrying about marquee players.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 22, 2016, 09:02:08 PM
Post by: hill135 on June 22, 2016, 10:06:21 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/682229/Everton-Wesley-Sneijder-Manchester-United-Galatasaray-Transfer-News-Ronald-Koeman-Gossip
Post by: Cozzie on June 22, 2016, 10:28:30 PM
Sneijder links rumbling on. He's past it in my view
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/682229/Everton-Wesley-Sneijder-Manchester-United-Galatasaray-Transfer-News-Ronald-Koeman-Gossip
Sneider link.
Schneiderlin.
*X-Files* music.
Rather have Shcneiderlin though.
Post by: Tinga on June 22, 2016, 11:25:37 PM
Post by: Nicco on June 23, 2016, 12:30:09 AM
Axel Witzel. And Barkley would play off him nicely. Now that Rom's head has been turned back in the right direction, we need him talking to Witzel about how awesome it is to be a footballer on Merseyside...He needs to be more specific than Merseyside though.
Rumors are that Robinho thought he had signed for Manchester and didn't know there where two Manchester teams. New era and all!
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 23, 2016, 02:48:17 AM
Sneijder links rumbling on. He's past it in my viewIf you look at it as he is Osmans replacement. He is a fantastic signing.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/682229/Everton-Wesley-Sneijder-Manchester-United-Galatasaray-Transfer-News-Ronald-Koeman-Gossip
Post by: Confucius on June 23, 2016, 02:55:12 AM
(1) I'm fairly confident that we didn't make any signings until July that summer.
(2) Petty details aside, three of those signings were Alcaraz, Kone, and Robles. I am very comfortable with the patient approach.
This place is pretty humourless at the moment
Post by: stirlingblue on June 23, 2016, 03:36:43 PM
I keep expecting somebody to tell me it's all a huge prank
Post by: blargins on June 23, 2016, 05:41:01 PM
Really want us to sign someone soon so that I can believe that this whole Moshiri revolution is real.
I keep expecting somebody to tell me it's all a huge prank
I know what you mean. It's like nothing's happening. But of course it is, getting the backroom staff in place first, then we'll start getting decent players in.
I really want us to sign a dominant midfielder. Think (apart from goalkeeper), that's the next most important position to fill.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 23, 2016, 05:43:23 PM
I know what you mean. It's like nothing's happening. But of course it is, getting the backroom staff in place first, then we'll start getting decent players in.
I really want us to sign a dominant midfielder. Think (apart from goalkeeper), that's the next most important position to fill.
A Roy Keane. Without the arsey bits.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 23, 2016, 05:53:26 PM
If we are paying big wages and fees for someone of his age surely they should be in unbelievable form. He's not worth the outlay for me. We still want value for money.
Post by: blargins on June 23, 2016, 05:54:42 PM
A Roy Keane. Without the arsey bits.
Yep. We need a tough bastard in there. Need to replace Peter Reid.
Post by: TheTone on June 23, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
I'd have him myself like, lots of pace, high work rate and his finishing has improved a lot
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 23, 2016, 07:48:48 PM
Post by: brap2 on June 23, 2016, 07:54:43 PM
Never done an ITK before but heard on the grapevine that Koeman is seriously into signing Shane Long this summer
I'd have him myself like, lots of pace, high work rate and his finishing has improved a lot
Bang average workhorse not interested.
Total moyes signing
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 23, 2016, 07:59:24 PM
No. I watched a 10 minute long Youtube video and concluded he was very good.
A water-tight scouting method!
Thats not far off why Leicester took a chance on Kante and Mahrez and how WHU decided to take a chance on the career long inconsistent Payet . You can also watch the Eredevise on Sky and the bundesliga highlights every week like I do . Ziyech is more than a 10 minute video .
Post by: GLewis on June 23, 2016, 08:01:30 PM
Bang average workhorse not interested.
Total moyes signing
And even he didn't sign him :)
Post by: GLewis on June 23, 2016, 08:02:20 PM
Never done an ITK before but heard on the grapevine that Koeman is seriously into signing Shane Long this summer
I'd have him myself like, lots of pace, high work rate and his finishing has improved a lot
After this, please don't complain about Lukaku again.
;)
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 23, 2016, 08:55:59 PM
Never done an ITK before but heard on the grapevine that Koeman is seriously into signing Shane Long this summer
I'd have him myself like, lots of pace, high work rate and his finishing has improved a lot
Absolute dog shit.
Post by: Heisenberg on June 23, 2016, 08:56:46 PM
Sneider and Nani for Osman and Pienaar would be amazing business
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 23, 2016, 09:51:48 PM
Some of my RS mates were laughing saying there was no way he would sign for us....some even saying he wouldn't sign for them.
So it would be great to rub their noses in it.
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 23, 2016, 10:43:50 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 24, 2016, 12:41:09 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 24, 2016, 12:49:02 AM
Do we really need to be making statements. Robinho was a great statement but he was also overpriced and a stopgap. We are no where near as rich as city are. I don't care about statements or rubbing noses in it. I just want to win. Isn't matter on about 10m a season and hasn't pulled any trees up for a couple of seasons now. For me he's a statement about making statements not about value for money and good management. Not for me. Not at the figures he'd cost.
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Post by: Bluedylan on June 24, 2016, 01:02:04 AM
Do we really need to be making statements. Robinho was a great statement but he was also overpriced and a stopgap. We are no where near as rich as city are. I don't care about statements or rubbing noses in it. I just want to win. Isn't matter on about 10m a season and hasn't pulled any trees up for a couple of seasons now. For me he's a statement about making statements not about value for money and good management. Not for me. Not at the figures he'd cost.
I tend to agree, and I see Koeman as someone more pragmatic than looking for marquee signings to make a statement. I imagine he'll just be looking at the best players we can get for each position that we've identified, and trying to juggle the budget to fit everything in.
Playing devil's advocate, from Moshiri's perspective, a lot of our commercial and sponsorship deals are up for grabs over the next couple of years, so there might be an element of getting some marketable, worldwide names in to enhance those kinds of negotiations.
There might also be an element of starting off our spending with one or two big names, so that it's easier to attract other players who might fancy playing with a Schneider or a Mata, and it might be easier to get one or two other deals over the line.
Post by: blargins on June 24, 2016, 01:09:03 AM
I would rather see us buy 5 20 million pound players and a couple of older greats to make us a team rather than a a few superstars.
Post by: kramer0 on June 24, 2016, 01:55:50 AM
Sneijder, on the other hand... I don't know anything about what's he like off the field. Quick... someone scout him on FM to see what his personality is like. :thumbsup:
* Unless his blog and general publicity are carefully constructed lies to hide the fact that he's a twat, which is possible but unlikely.
Post by: D_murph0278 on June 24, 2016, 02:06:26 AM
Nani is 29 now and nothing special really.
For a top 'statement' signing, I'd love to see Oscar from Chelsea.
Post by: Heisenberg on June 24, 2016, 02:26:49 AM
Nani has been mentioned a few times in the 'daily's'. But I can't see the point in us even being interested. If one or two of our current wingers left, then maybe..... But I'd rather see Koeman try and get the best out of deulofeu and Mirallas, plus Lennon has given everything for us since he signed.
Nani is 29 now and nothing special really.
For a top 'statement' signing, I'd love to see Oscar from Chelsea.
Because our current left wingers consist of: Niasse
Not sure if you've been watching the euros. But Nani has a lot left to offer, more so at 7.5 mil
Post by: brap2 on June 24, 2016, 03:25:03 AM
Post by: D_murph0278 on June 24, 2016, 03:37:59 AM
Because our current left wingers consist of: Niasse
Not sure if you've been watching the euros. But Nani has a lot left to offer, more so at 7.5 mil
So why would you go for nani when he's a right winger? Deulofeu can play left wing and Mirallas played there for olympiakos.
Also what's the £7.5 million got to do with it?
Post by: Goaljira on June 24, 2016, 12:20:44 PM
Post by: Trowel on June 24, 2016, 12:23:02 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 24, 2016, 01:18:04 PM
Post by: GLewis on June 24, 2016, 01:19:39 PM
Post by: brap2 on June 24, 2016, 02:11:40 PM
Yeah but the national team will really benefit...
It's what the game needs. More Jordan hendersons.
Post by: Rhys on June 24, 2016, 02:41:02 PM
Not to mention the rulebook on eligible nationalities in Premier League squads in say three years time is now a complete unknown.
Yes unknown but just because will be out of the EU doesn't mean foreign players coming in will be completely limited. Agreements like EEA or tailored agreements like Switzerland have could mean it's impacted less than people think, or it could go back to the old model where 2/3 foreigners per team. I doubt it will be that model given they won't be able to remove the ones who are already here.
But a lot will depend on whatever the breakout terms are so for now, let's spend loads of money on foreign players and stock up just in case!!
Post by: GLewis on June 24, 2016, 04:00:45 PM
Post by: Cozzie on June 24, 2016, 06:09:15 PM
Would have to happen the moment we get a fucking billionairre in wouldn't it. Fuck off.
Can't catch a break can we.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 24, 2016, 06:35:55 PM
Personally, I think IDS will make a great right winger.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 24, 2016, 06:49:28 PM
Post by: hill135 on June 24, 2016, 06:53:34 PM
A lot of teams are in entering the centre forward market and if he's off it would be good to know soon so we can steal a march on our competitors.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 24, 2016, 06:59:01 PM
I hope this Rom stuff gets sorted quickly.
A lot of teams are in entering the centre forward market and if he's off it would be good to know soon so we can steal a march on our competitors.
Oh, I think it is sorted. He stays. The rest is just contract extension haggling, but one can expect that to take a bit, especially with Belgium still playing (and looking pretty good, thanks in large part to our man).
Post by: Goaljira on June 24, 2016, 07:59:13 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 24, 2016, 08:25:19 PM
Post by: Goaljira on June 24, 2016, 08:37:22 PM
28 year old polish winger who plays for stade rennes in france
Which side?
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 24, 2016, 09:01:03 PM
Post by: Escla on June 24, 2016, 09:16:18 PM
Post by: Goaljira on June 24, 2016, 09:20:29 PM
Post by: GLewis on June 24, 2016, 09:20:54 PM
Which side?
Stade Rennes.
nod
Post by: Goaljira on June 24, 2016, 09:23:26 PM
Stade Rennes.
nod
:badum:
:hmph:
Post by: GLewis on June 24, 2016, 09:23:41 PM
In the immediate future any European player who has a Euro price tag on his head will cost a lot more, one we are out of the EU we will need to get work permits for any European players which won't be easy unless they are established internationals.
We were able to buy Niasse through the work permit system!
I'd hope we weren't looking at anyone likely to fail the criteria (if/when applied to EU players).
Likely to be more of an impact on the punts on youth players etc.
Post by: Rhys on June 24, 2016, 09:33:58 PM
In the immediate future any European player who has a Euro price tag on his head will cost a lot more, one we are out of the EU we will need to get work permits for any European players which won't be easy unless they are established internationals.
Maybe. It's too early to say nobody has any idea what restrictions will come into place as it all depends on what is agreed in the exit terms.
It could easily be from a football point of view that its a bit like signing people who need work permits now, which is pretty rare when someone doesnt get approved to come in. Or it could be easier movement of people than some are expecting providing you can prove they have skills required.
As @GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) says I think it will be bringing in kids from abroad at an early age which will see the biggest difference (which might be good for helping young home grown kids at some clubs although the prices likely to go even crazier), rather than not being able to sign someone like Payet.
But as I said all unknown and a lot we wont know for a couple of years, so for the time being pointless worrying about who may or may not be able to sign in 2018 or 2019 however long it all takes.
Post by: blue slug on June 24, 2016, 09:45:38 PM
Which side?
Right
Post by: blue slug on June 24, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 25, 2016, 03:04:36 AM
Post by: dchans on June 25, 2016, 03:30:20 AM
Especially those on a guaranteed massive wage and fixed contract
Post by: Brownie on June 25, 2016, 03:38:39 AM
Short term the pound collapsing has increased everyone's price. The long term I think with the permits English football is a bit fucked. All them South American bargains which you see in Spain and for the likes of Porto will never be from the entire world. English football won't be able to compete for the signings of prospects at all now. Just established players for big money.
Greater emphasis on developing your youth. However, if we are able to make our own laws on immigration then I wouldn't be surprised if there is a special law for the PL because of the money it generates worldwide. An exceptional talent type thing
Post by: Bluedylan on June 25, 2016, 04:42:51 AM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 25, 2016, 05:33:34 AM
Greater emphasis on developing your youth. However, if we are able to make our own laws on immigration then I wouldn't be surprised if there is a special law for the PL because of the money it generates worldwide. An exceptional talent type thing
Does that mean we can finally bin Banegas work permit?
Post by: Brownie on June 25, 2016, 05:35:11 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36621343
Post by: Gash on June 25, 2016, 05:42:28 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-podcast-should-blues-really-11521424
I haven't listened but I don't think we need to go out for a marquee signing. I've said before that if it takes two or three windows to build the squad up and get it right then I'd be more than happy with that. The last thing we need is to go all nouveau riche and have some money grabber(s) coming in thinking he's the big I am and disrupting what is still (even after the last couple of season) a very together squad.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 25, 2016, 05:46:51 AM
I haven't listened but I don't think we need to go out for a marquee signing. I've said before that if it takes two or three windows to build the squad up and get it right then I'd be more than happy with that. The last thing we need is to go all nouveau riche and have some money grabber(s) coming in thinking he's the big I am and disrupting what is still (even after the last couple of season) a very together squad.
Yeah, I think much the same. They're on about Rooney as the marquee player as well, which I couldn't see happening anyway.
But from what they say (dunno if they've been tipped off), Moshiri defo wants someone who will turn a few heads, while also being someone that will be really good for us and would fit in with Koeman's plans.
Post by: Ross on June 25, 2016, 05:55:48 AM
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2016, 06:50:15 AM
Will the rumoured £100m get us a "marquee" signing plus be enough to buy the other 4/5 players we need to replace?
No, I don't think it will.
it would be best to invest well and make a couple of prudent investments. Turn heads with progress, even if it's a year or two down the line...
Post by: preki007 on June 25, 2016, 12:29:56 PM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 25, 2016, 04:32:09 PM
Out-of-favour Everton striker Oumar Niasse, 26, is understood to be a target of Turkish side Galatasaray. The Senegalese joined the Toffees for £13.5m in February but failed to score in his seven appearances for the club. (Talksport via Fotomac)
Early contender for 'most liked messages of the week'.
Post by: Trublue on June 25, 2016, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: Danny on June 25, 2016, 07:00:06 PM
Early contender for 'most liked messages of the week'.
Unless he just absolutely isn't going to get any minutes or Galatasaray offer something like what we paid then I would be a bit gutted to see him go, wouldn't mind seeing him get a fair chance.
Post by: Danny on June 25, 2016, 07:01:33 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 25, 2016, 07:12:27 PM
Post by: Alanvideo on June 25, 2016, 07:33:16 PM
We don't know how much money we've got. Very much doubt we've got £100m exactly. That's just a newspaper figure to help all the Brexit facebook fuckwits understand what a large amount of money sounds like...................... I came on here to get away from politics and talk football lolol
Post by: Shogun on June 25, 2016, 07:33:27 PM
Post by: Ross on June 25, 2016, 07:39:35 PM
The problem I have with Yarmolenko is that he has been absolutely shite most of the times I've watched him.
Same.
That and the fact we've got 3 players who already play in his preferred postion.
Post by: Shogun on June 25, 2016, 07:45:11 PM
Same.
That and the fact we've got 3 players who already play in his preferred postion.
Yeah that too. I'm hoping Koeman recognises that a winger isn't exclusive to play on the same side every time they get on the pitch.
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2016, 08:32:49 PM
Post by: bogie on June 26, 2016, 03:13:42 AM
No doubt he's a good player but I would sooner player deulofeu to be honest.
just lol at that
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2016, 03:25:31 AM
just lol at that
Yeah I dunno. Doesn't seem too arsed about coming, a position where we have 3 players already, totally unproven outside of his league.
I do think he's a baller, but I like and believe in deulofeu to come good and would prefer that over spending 30 on him.
Post by: kramer0 on June 26, 2016, 04:04:31 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/free-transfers-everton-should-consider-11513734 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/free-transfers-everton-should-consider-11513734)
Post by: Goaljira on June 26, 2016, 04:16:19 AM
A surprisingly intriguing list of potential free transfers.Yes, No, Yes, Maybe, Yes.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/free-transfers-everton-should-consider-11513734 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/free-transfers-everton-should-consider-11513734)
Post by: hill135 on June 26, 2016, 04:29:09 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 26, 2016, 04:36:47 AM
Post by: hill135 on June 26, 2016, 04:39:24 AM
But he strikes me as a player Mourinho would like and would want to keep.
Post by: kramer0 on June 26, 2016, 05:01:41 AM
If Mourinho wants Matic so desperately that he's willing to sell him we should be first in line to make an offer.
Post by: Brownie on June 26, 2016, 07:12:14 AM
Yes, No, Yes, Maybe, Yes.
1 and 5 definitely
Post by: bogie on June 26, 2016, 07:22:48 AM
Yeah I dunno. Doesn't seem too arsed about coming, a position where we have 3 players already, totally unproven outside of his league.
I do think he's a baller, but I like and believe in deulofeu to come good and would prefer that over spending 30 on him.
the dif for me is ones a good player the other thinks he is a good player
you mark them out of 10 in attack defence and team play and do it honestly (remember we are all watching you ) then tell me witch one you would like to play week in week out
Post by: TheRam on June 26, 2016, 07:32:00 AM
Yeah, I really rate Schneiderlin. Actually... is there anyone who doesn't rate Schneiderlin? He's one of those players that seems to have a 100% approval rating.
If Mourinho wants Matic so desperately that he's willing to sell him we should be first in line to make an offer.
I don't rate him as highly as others.
But I know fuck all so it's hardly worth considering.
Post by: kramer0 on June 26, 2016, 11:53:02 AM
I don't rate him as highly as others.
But I know fuck all so it's hardly worth considering.
To be fair, we all know fuck all.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 26, 2016, 04:15:36 PM
Yeah, I really rate Schneiderlin. Actually... is there anyone who doesn't rate Schneiderlin? He's one of those players that seems to have a 100% approval rating.
If Mourinho wants Matic so desperately that he's willing to sell him we should be first in line to make an offer.
I don't really rate him tbh.
I think he's a pretty average player technically.
I know he's a hard worker though.
Post by: Juanito on June 26, 2016, 05:33:10 PM
I can see us dismantling that and going for a 4-3-3, with three athletes, including Barkley in the midfield three, with one of those being a 'Marquee' signing.
Leaving Besic, McCarthy, Barry and Cleverley fighting out for the other spot.
Although hoping to see more of Davies in there.
Post by: ally2 on June 26, 2016, 05:50:07 PM
Post by: hill135 on June 26, 2016, 05:55:07 PM
Post by: Gash on June 26, 2016, 05:59:06 PM
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2016, 06:18:02 PM
the dif for me is ones a good player the other thinks he is a good player
you mark them out of 10 in attack defence and team play and do it honestly (remember we are all watching you ) then tell me witch one you would like to play week in week out
Must admit I don't watch a great deal of the Ukranian league like. And he was good against us.
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2016, 06:27:36 PM
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 26, 2016, 06:37:39 PM
Bloody shalke have signed embolo.
Reckon it will take him a few years to develop still, we will just poach him when he costs about 50million now instead
Post by: goodtouchforabigman on June 26, 2016, 06:39:50 PM
Post by: TheRam on June 26, 2016, 07:06:50 PM
Bloody shalke have signed embolo.
Gutted.
Had my hopes pinned on that one.
On to Lacazette then
Post by: hill135 on June 26, 2016, 07:08:01 PM
Lacazette though nod
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2016, 07:27:10 PM
Post by: Nicco on June 26, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
I don't rate him as highly as others.But doesn't he always score against us?
But I know fuck all so it's hardly worth considering.
Would be worth the money to just let in two goals less every season.
Post by: pjk on June 27, 2016, 08:05:41 PM
Post by: Macca77 on June 27, 2016, 08:16:40 PM
We keep getting linked with axel Witsel (AKA Alex) I don't rate him personally. Not from what I've seen at the Euro's anyways.
Sky sports transfer gossip links him to Stoke, however "the player isn't keen on a move to the club"
Post by: fubarruk on June 27, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
Sky sports transfer gossip links him to Stoke, however "the player isn't keen on a move to the club"Player isn't keen on a move to England at all according to his agent, this one's a non starter.
Post by: Brownie on June 27, 2016, 08:49:25 PM
Player isn't keen on a move to England at all according to his agent, this one's a non starter.
That's just to put Stoke off. Like when a bird you like tells you she's not into men to get you to go away, but then goes off with a fitter bloke after
Post by: pjk on June 27, 2016, 09:02:26 PM
Sky sports transfer gossip links him to Stoke, however "the player isn't keen on a move to the club"
I'm happy about Stoke coming in for him. If it had been last season and we had gone for him I would have welcomed it, but I thought we were going for top quality. I don't see it in him personally. I'm sure others have different ideas but I'm not Keen.
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 27, 2016, 09:16:29 PM
At the end of the day he'd be an instant upgrade on anything else we have in that position.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 27, 2016, 09:19:44 PM
Post by: hill135 on June 27, 2016, 09:21:45 PM
Of the midfielders we've seen linked, I would prefer Schniederlin or Strootman over Witsel.
Post by: Macca77 on June 27, 2016, 09:27:55 PM
That's just to put Stoke off. Like when a bird you like tells you she's not into men to get you to go away, but then goes off with a fitter bloke after
Exactly, It staggers me why any player would wanna move to the bog of eternal stench that is Stoke City.
Post by: kramer0 on June 27, 2016, 10:37:51 PM
Exactly, It staggers me why any player would wanna move to the bog of eternal stench that is Stoke City.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/15/article-2658331-1EBCB2E300000578-570_634x378.jpg)
Post by: christiffa25 on June 27, 2016, 11:32:23 PM
Good replacement for G Barry.
Thought he was one of the few that was actually good last season.
However, 35 now....do people think Koeman will keep him and if so use him much?
I have a feeling he may tell him he's not in his plans. Starting a re-build seems a bit pointless with a guy who's 35.
I think they may come to a mutual decision for him to head off to America.
Post by: Macca77 on June 28, 2016, 01:02:22 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/15/article-2658331-1EBCB2E300000578-570_634x378.jpg)
He went to Stoke because nobody else wanted him
Post by: kramer0 on June 28, 2016, 01:09:33 AM
He went to Stoke because nobody else wanted him
I wasn't attacking your position on Stoke*, just taking advantage of a golden opportunity to post a picture of Shaqiri making a stupid face.
* Those mutants still boo Aaron Ramsey. Who can defend them?
Post by: TheRam on June 28, 2016, 01:12:48 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 28, 2016, 01:17:08 AM
I'd have Pelle.
yep definitely, me too.
Post by: sam of the south on June 28, 2016, 01:23:01 AM
yep definitely, me too.
I bet you would 😉
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 28, 2016, 01:23:26 AM
I bet you would 😉
haha not my type...
Post by: sam of the south on June 28, 2016, 01:26:10 AM
haha not my type...
Really?
Well, I think he's a spunk*
*Neighbours parlance for hot/fit
Post by: hill135 on June 28, 2016, 01:27:38 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 28, 2016, 01:27:56 AM
Really?
Well, I think he's a spunk*
*Neighbours parlance for hot/fit
bit too pretty boy for me! He is handsome for sure but too pretty!
Post by: brap2 on June 28, 2016, 01:31:35 AM
Post by: School of Science on June 28, 2016, 01:37:47 AM
bit too pretty boy for me! He is handsome for sure but too pretty!
.....Then ...there's a chance Lizz 😃
Fat fiftiesh and damned ugly.
Post by: sam of the south on June 28, 2016, 01:39:44 AM
bit too pretty boy for me! He is handsome for sure but too pretty!
That is word for word how I usually receive a rebuttal 😔😉
Post by: Brownie on June 28, 2016, 02:40:34 AM
.....Then ...there's a chance Lizz 😃
Fat fiftiesh and damned ugly.
Liz likes us rugby boys
Post by: School of Science on June 28, 2016, 04:09:07 AM
Liz likes us rugby boys
Must be the odd shaped balls. :whistle:
Post by: Goaljira on June 28, 2016, 04:34:45 AM
Post by: kramer0 on June 28, 2016, 04:46:38 AM
Now England are out will the media revert to selling our players for us again now?
Of course.
But I'll be too happy to have Ross and John back at Everton completely unscathed to be bothered by it.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 28, 2016, 04:50:28 AM
Now England are out will the media revert to selling our players for us again now?
At Least they can't be blamed at all for the england shite.
Post by: kramer0 on June 28, 2016, 05:11:49 AM
At Least they can't be blamed at all for the england shite.
[Awaits news article blaming John Stones and Ross Barkley for not being good enough to get on the pitch and bail England out]
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 28, 2016, 05:18:48 AM
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 28, 2016, 05:28:13 AM