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Title: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 02, 2016, 05:55:54 PM
Looking like he's the front runner.

Be interesting to see the results of a poll.

Vote, discuss all things Ronald
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Makis on June 02, 2016, 05:56:58 PM
I linked a tweet from a Dutch journalist on the other thread which seems to suggest his agent is flying to meet the club reps.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 02, 2016, 05:57:40 PM
At first I was for it but I've been tempted by Emery now.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 02, 2016, 05:58:16 PM
I linked a tweet from a Dutch journalist on the other thread which seems to suggest his agent is flying to meet the club reps.
Reckon this is just an attempt to flush out Emery whom we've made an offer too.....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 02, 2016, 05:59:47 PM
gone right off the idea
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2016, 06:01:19 PM
Mole did say earlier that we were meeting with Koeman today, in fairness.

Esk still says Emery is the preferred choice, but that we're negotiating with Koeman so we're not restricted to one option and possibly to put pressure on Emery to sign.

I'll be happy with Koeman, once I've taken my Emery posters down around the house.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 02, 2016, 06:02:21 PM
There's definitely some ginger in that hair. It's a no from me.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MIG on June 02, 2016, 06:03:00 PM
I think we would all prefer Emery at this point.  But I think we would all prefer Mourinho too but that was never going to happen.  I just think, for now, the level we are at might not be tempting enough for Emery.  Maybe in the near future after our new era has kicked off for a bit.  We might have to settle for a safe bet for now.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 02, 2016, 06:05:08 PM
He was my first choice, but I'd sooner Pellegrini over him. I don't think Emery is going to happen either.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 02, 2016, 06:07:05 PM
I think it's unlikely we will get the Sevilla guys and ,if thats' the case ,I'd take Koeman ahead of Pellegrini .
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 02, 2016, 06:09:39 PM
Was my 1st choice, especially with the managers we were being linked with first.

But then pellegrini was linked and I thought we were going for an established, top end manager.

We were told it was daft to consider the best so Emery and pellegrini seemed like the 2nd best options. Proven winners but but of "the big one".

So koeman looks distinctly average in comparison.

Probably just as well then, can't have us getting ideas above our station lads.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 02, 2016, 06:10:15 PM
At first I was for it but I've been tempted by Emery now.

Yeah all the Emery excitement, and the Emery plus DoF duo, has built hopes up to a high way way beyond Koeman. Being brought down to earth this morning with the KOEMAN hype is like getting slapped in the face with a wet fish.

It is very similar to the Porto guy/Ralf Rangnick hype and ending up with Martinez because he was "a safe pair of hands" that "knew the Premiership".

I thought Koeman signed an extension a couple of weeks ago. Was that bullshit?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 02, 2016, 06:12:03 PM
Give me Emery.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 02, 2016, 06:13:21 PM
I linked a tweet from a Dutch journalist on the other thread which seems to suggest his agent is flying to meet the club reps.

Hopefully 18-30's.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 02, 2016, 06:17:34 PM
With Koeman I can't see TalkSport or anyone else talking about FOUR top managers in the North West.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Django on June 02, 2016, 06:17:40 PM
I'd much rather have Pellegrini - he'd be my first choice.

Not sold on Emery, he could easily flop.

Koeman has the experience of the league, but I don't think he's all that. I don't like him either.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: church on June 02, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
Can you imagine Sammy Fucking Lee in the dugout for the Derby FFS. It is a big FUCK OFF NO from me.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 02, 2016, 06:20:40 PM
Can you imagine Sammy Fucking Lee in the dugout for the Derby FFS. It is a big FUCK OFF NO from me.
And Shane Long as Lukaku's replacement.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2016, 06:24:53 PM
Wonder if this is anything to do with Moshiri believing Koeman might be Arsenal's target as Wengers replacement.

Bit of ego getting in the way and he's making Koeman his top choice with an offer he can't turn down? Because if its really just between them two now I just can't see why we'd be so set on him over Emery given their records.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: duncandisorderly on June 02, 2016, 06:27:11 PM
Rather have emery, fdb & pellegrini in that order over koeman. Want us to go all out for emery tbh
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 02, 2016, 06:28:52 PM
Wonder if this is anything to do with Moshiri believing Koeman might be Arsenal's target as Wengers replacement.

Bit of ego getting in the way and he's making Koeman his top choice with an offer he can't turn down? Because if its really just between them two now I just can't see why we'd be so set on him over Emery given their records.

I've genuinely been trying to formalise the feeling of hat into a legible sentence for a little while now.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 02, 2016, 06:42:07 PM
If its him sound, If its not and its Emery, sound
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 02, 2016, 06:57:30 PM
Thought a lot of people on here were miffed when they thought he was snubbing us and staying at little old Southampton. Now a lot of people seem to be miffed that he might not stay at Southampton. Funny world. He was my original choice, then I fell for the outright sexiness of the Emery and Monchi road show. Still would like the latter, but it would not mean the end of the world if we got Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bwana on June 02, 2016, 07:02:11 PM
In the end, under the circumstances he has been in with Southhampton, I think he's done well. Stable. And that is something we need right now. For Pellegrini, if the two year deal rumour is true, it would be all the same what'd happen. He'd be retiring anyway. Emery... He has now won 3 major trophies (yes, EL is a big one) in a row and will be guiding Sevilla to the UCL, again, next season. At the moment I don't see him coming to Everton.

Koeman has an entertaining way of speaking English and he looks a bit like the Marshmallow man. Welcome aboard Ronald.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2016, 07:04:19 PM
If it was to be Koeman, pure enjoyment of the Soton fans' fume would also take the edge off the disappointment of not getting the Sevilla buddy movie roadshow.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MIG on June 02, 2016, 07:05:25 PM
What we should all remember is whether its Koeman, Pellegrini or Emery, lets face it, it's not Martinez.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Verm on June 02, 2016, 07:07:14 PM
Quite happy with any of the three apparent front runners.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 02, 2016, 07:10:38 PM
Pretty happy with all the names we are linked with including Koeman. He's not top of my list  but I would certainly not be against him coming.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Kiril84 on June 02, 2016, 07:12:40 PM
Not my first choice but one of my favourites. Its not Martinez,Moyes or MoN... :woohoo:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bigl1cks on June 02, 2016, 07:15:48 PM
Pellegrini, emery, koeman. Not interested in fdb personally.

Quite funny people are saying no to pellegrini, the guy has won the premier league and has a brilliant cv.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2016, 07:17:55 PM
I've genuinely been trying to formalise the feeling of hat into a legible sentence for a little while now.

Do ya think Moshi is tryin to get one over on Kronk?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 02, 2016, 07:28:22 PM
Looks like Koeman is our man.......

Cue umpteen years of moaning.....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2016, 07:28:33 PM
Mole says Emery has turned down our offer, and Koeman has told Southampton he wants to leave. Expects it to be sorted very quickly.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 02, 2016, 07:29:00 PM
Pellegrini, emery, koeman. Not interested in fdb personally.

Quite funny people are saying no to pellegrini, the guy has won the premier league and has a brilliant cv.

In his time at Man City they won more games and points scored more goals and had more shots than any other side

Also they managed to restrict opposition sides to less shots than any other side and had the 3rd or 4th best defensive record

He's obviously got skills
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on June 02, 2016, 07:38:32 PM
Hopefully were covering all bases , sounding out all 3 , Emery, Pellegrini, Koeman....................... .

cant see any one outside the top 4 doing what Emery did with Sevilla (Meaning no way could I see a team finishing 7th in our league winning the Europa league 3 season's running)   

for me whoever, we get out of them 3 they will only be here 2/3 seasons at best.........

if they flop(sacked)
Pellegrini will retire soon
Success
Emery will go back to spain for a top job
Koeman will be off to bigger rival

for me either of the first 2, rather than Koeman especially with the compo that will need to be paid to saints
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2016, 07:39:05 PM
I'll be over the moon if this happens, however it seems a lot of blues are already resigned to him being a massive failure, fucking idiots.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: robertdrumm1954 on June 02, 2016, 07:49:37 PM
There's definitely some ginger in that hair. It's a no from me.
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Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 02, 2016, 07:52:39 PM
I'll be over the moon if this happens, however it seems a lot of blues are already resigned to him being a massive failure, fucking idiots.

Literally no one has said that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2016, 07:53:53 PM
Literally no one has said that.

Well quite a few on here have already written him off
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 02, 2016, 07:55:28 PM
Bit weird that a fortnight ago Koeman was first choice for many (including myself), yet off the back of Emery winning one game on the telly he now comes across as an anti-climax for many (err, including myself...)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 02, 2016, 07:57:55 PM
Suspect that most folk were more excited about Monchi coming with Emery that just Emery himself.

Monchi coming is still a possibility....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2016, 08:12:06 PM
Wonder if he'll bring all his coaching staff with him?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 02, 2016, 08:13:02 PM
Wonder if he'll bring all his coaching staff with him?
Isnt Sammy Lee on his team?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 02, 2016, 08:13:19 PM
Reports here stating he and his agent on their way to Liverpool for talks!! From a couple of reliable sources here (apparently)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 02, 2016, 08:13:33 PM
Sell Lukaku, bring in Long
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 02, 2016, 08:13:53 PM
Isnt Sammy Lee on his team?

Reports here stating he will be coming with him!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blue slug on June 02, 2016, 08:17:18 PM
I would be happy with emery, pellegrini or koeman to be honest, think all will/would do a better job the Martinez
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2016, 08:17:47 PM
Isnt Sammy Lee on his team?

Big Dunc out Sammy Lee in....


Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 02, 2016, 08:38:43 PM
I don't want to write Koeman off before he even enters the place but I just can't seem to get excited for this. Koeman seems to have done alright but doesn't seem like the manager to take us to the next level that we all imagined when Moshiri invested.

I wonder if anybody on here knows how well his signings are since he should be given a fair chunk of change and it still scars me that we signed Niasse for 13.5m. I would however love him to bring Wanyama with him.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2016, 08:44:31 PM
I don't think he'd be a bad manager for us; I think he's a sensible option who almost guarantees that he'll keep us steady.

It's just not an appointment that would excite me. I don't think he's a manager that would take us past, say, sixth and I don't think he's a manager who'll win us a trophy. If there's a chance we could attract Emery or Pellegrini I'd be much happier with that than apparently more than doubling Koeman's contract just to entice him here.

And on a more ridiculous note, my gut instinct is not to trust the guy.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 02, 2016, 08:49:00 PM
Yay, a manager to keep us nice and steady.

And there's me thinking things would change.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 02, 2016, 08:49:44 PM
I don't think he'd be a bad manager for us; I think he's a sensible option who almost guarantees that he'll keep us steady.

It's just not an appointment that would excite me. I don't think he's a manager that would take us past, say, sixth and I don't think he's a manager who'll win us a trophy. If there's a chance we could attract Emery or Pellegrini I'd be much happier with that than apparently more than doubling Koeman's contract just to entice him here.

And on a more ridiculous note, my gut instinct is not to trust the guy.

why do you want to keep us steady??
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ih8redshite on June 02, 2016, 08:53:33 PM
Hilarious that people are judging candidates for the managers position and were they suspect they will finish in the league. The squad will be totally different by the start of next season and with a new managers philosophy and tactics whose to say we're we will finish!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 02, 2016, 08:53:58 PM
Maybe we need an appointment to steady things. But I'd rather go for Pellegrini for that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 02, 2016, 08:54:14 PM
He will also be off to arsenal the second Wenger goes.
So we're going to be here next year with a decent chance of a shallower market of available managers.

@ross, I am worried about the more insidious option. That he's doing arsenal a favour of giving koeman a year trial at a club with more money to spend than Southampton, hence bigger egos and bigger expectations.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 02, 2016, 08:59:16 PM
Knows the league now and has had 2 good seasons with Southampton where they have performed better than expected

In his playing days he was a legend so I think he commands respect

We are going to back him massively financially and I have faith in him that he can make the next step up for us

Emery is my first choice, but if we've asked him and he has said no then there's not much more we can do

Pellegrini and Koeman would seem to be the next candidates after Emery and fair play if we are siding with the younger manager who can build a good team here, I would be happy with either of them as a step up from what we have had with Martinez

Every club are different, Koeman progressed Southampton further than Pocchetino did. I'm just hoping Ron can push us on to winning trophies and the top 4 on the reg
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 02, 2016, 09:01:58 PM
He will also be off to arsenal the second Wenger goes.
So we're going to be here next year with a decent chance of a shallower market of available managers.

@ross, I am worried about the more insidious option. That he's doing arsenal a favour of giving koeman a year trial at a club with more money to spend than Southampton, hence bigger egos and bigger expectations.

Wow, that last bit is a bit conspiracy theory, Mick..

Do you really think that could be a genuine thing?

Surely Moshiri wouldn't use the money he has invested in us to mainly benefit Arsenal.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Polledreng on June 02, 2016, 09:02:39 PM
Reports here stating he will be coming with him!!!!!!!!
Gave you a like for informing - not for him taking Sammy Lee with him
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2016, 09:02:54 PM
why do you want to keep us steady??
I meant he'd steady the ship and have us around 6th-9th a la Moyes, sorry!

He's far from being my first choice.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2016, 09:03:57 PM
He will also be off to arsenal the second Wenger goes.
So we're going to be here next year with a decent chance of a shallower market of available managers.
That's a potential risk with any new manager, in fairness.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Kiril84 on June 02, 2016, 09:11:12 PM
Let's be optimistic guys.We will have a good manager and most importantly with money to spend.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2016, 09:15:07 PM
He will also be off to arsenal the second Wenger goes.
So we're going to be here next year with a decent chance of a shallower market of available managers.

@ross, I am worried about the more insidious option. That he's doing arsenal a favour of giving koeman a year trial at a club with more money to spend than Southampton, hence bigger egos and bigger expectations.

Do you think he'll take Sammy Lee with him when he goes?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 02, 2016, 09:15:56 PM
Some folk really have unrealistic expectations of who we could get.

Koeman would be a great improvement on Martinez.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheTone on June 02, 2016, 09:18:46 PM
Bit weird that a fortnight ago Koeman was first choice for many (including myself), yet off the back of Emery winning one game on the telly he now comes across as an anti-climax for many (err, including myself...)

I too was seduced by Emery, more so cause he got one over on the german with 100 teeth

I'll be happy with Koeman, I think he is a good manager, commands respect from his players, speaks the lingo and has experienced this league

Tweets like a good un too don't he, I think most fans will take to him and he'll win over those that are a bit sceptical
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 02, 2016, 09:19:57 PM
Some of you lot are ridiculous.

Koeman is boss and proven in the Premier League.

Either him or Emery are great appointments.

COYB!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 02, 2016, 09:28:52 PM
Pellegrini is better, and he will only fuck off for retirement, not the Arseholes.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 02, 2016, 09:38:23 PM
Bit weird that a fortnight ago Koeman was first choice for many (including myself), yet off the back of Emery winning one game on the telly he now comes across as an anti-climax for many (err, including myself...)

For some maybe.

Others are more aware of the fact he has won 3 uefa cupa on the bounce with a team that would struggle to be considered in the 3rd rung of European teams for the majority of its history
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 02, 2016, 09:55:07 PM
Gave you a like for informing - not for him taking Sammy Lee with him

I thought as much! It hurt me to type it never mind actually thinking about it happening !!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 02, 2016, 09:57:09 PM
Yay, a manager to keep us nice and steady.

And there's me thinking things would change.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 02, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
To be honest, as soon as Martinez was sacked, I remember saying to myself straight away that Koeman was the one I would like to replace him.

Obviously since then with the likes of Emery being linked I have sort of gone off the idea slightly of Koeman coming in like many have.

He is by no means anywhere near as bad as what some are making out on here though.

Koeman took over  at the saints when they had just lost Pottechino and a hand full of their star players to the shite, yet he still managed to improve them that year.

The following season he again lost key players but made them even better once again, finishing this season with Southampton just 3 points off a CL place, playing some great football in the process.

That is why, in my opinion at least, if the deal is to happen, that he is the front runner for the job.

There is a strong chance we will lose Lukaku and Stones this summer, leaving a huge gap not only in quality in our squad but serious numbers too.

Moshiri has probably looked at how Koeman has managed to keep Southampton not only competitive but also improved them despite major player losses. Koeman seems to fit the bill only this time he will have an awful lot more money to be able to get it right.

They have probably looked at who would be the best candidate to be able to deal with a major squad overhaul, which is what I believe will happen this summer.

He has 2 years of prem experience under his belt so you know he can do it in this league.

In my opinion it is a good logical appointment, not the greatest and most exciting, I agree, but one that I think will definitely take us forward, even if it is gradually.

People need to get more of a grip as to where we are as a club at the moment and who we can get.

We have finished 11th in consecutive seasons now and are, at best at the moment, a mid table club, but not far off where we want to be as a minimum which is finishing in the European places, starting a fresh with a calm head like Koeman would make sense in my opinion. Then if he is to leave us as long as he has left us in good nick we will be in a well better position for a better manager.

That is my take on it anyway, I wouldn't be against Koeman at all, be content.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 02, 2016, 10:05:38 PM
To be honest, as soon as Martinez was sacked, I remember saying to myself straight away that Koeman was the one I would like to replace him.

Obviously since then with the likes of Emery being linked I have sort of gone off the idea slightly of Koeman coming in like many have.

He is by no means anywhere near as bad as what some are making out on here though.

Koeman took over  at the saints when they had just lost Pottechino and a hand full of their star players to the shite, yet he still managed to improve them that year.

The following season he again lost key players but made them even better once again, finishing this season with Southampton just 3 points off a CL place, playing some great football in the process.

That is why, in my opinion at least, if the deal is to happen, that he is the front runner for the job.

There is a strong chance we will lose Lukaku and Stones this summer, leaving a huge gap not only in quality in our squad but serious numbers too.

Moshiri has probably looked at how Koeman has managed to keep Southampton not only competitive but also improved them despite major player losses. Koeman seems to fit the bill only this time he will have an awful lot more money to be able to get it right.

They have probably looked at who would be the best candidate to be able to deal with a major squad overhaul, which is what I believe will happen this summer.

He has 2 years of prem experience under his belt so you know he can do it in this league.

In my opinion it is a good logical appointment, not the greatest and most exciting, I agree, but one that I think will definitely take us forward, even if it is gradually.

People need to get more of a grip as to where we are as a club at the moment and who we can get.

We have finished 11th in consecutive seasons now and are, at best at the moment, a mid table club, but not far off where we want to be as a minimum which is finishing in the European places, starting a fresh with a calm head like Koeman would make sense in my opinion. Then if he is to leave us as long as he has left is in good nick we will be in a well better position for a better manager.

That is my take on it anyway, I wouldn't be against Koeman at all, be content.

Amen.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2016, 10:11:22 PM
With Koeman I can't see TalkSport or anyone else talking about FOUR top managers in the North West.

Koeman's very well regarded in the media, and if he backs it up with results with us then his star would definitely be on the rise.

I want Emery I must admit, but I'd definitely take Koeman.

You can stick your Sammy Lee up your arse though.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 02, 2016, 10:13:47 PM
Okay with Koeman if he's the one, though if it is him, hope we are still trying for this Monchi guy as well. With more money and better backing he will definitely be an improvement on Martinez.
Also wouldn't mind him bringing a couple of Saints players with him, Mane, Forster and Van Dijk would do for starters.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trublue on June 02, 2016, 10:17:03 PM
At least we'll have our defence sorted for next season.  If he brings his keeper with him, big start.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
I haven't seen anyone say that Koeman would be dreadful for us.

He's just not a manager that inspires much belief that we might finish above 6th.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 02, 2016, 10:25:04 PM
To be honest, as soon as Martinez was sacked, I remember saying to myself straight away that Koeman was the one I would like to replace him.

Obviously since then with the likes of Emery being linked I have sort of gone off the idea slightly of Koeman coming in like many have.

He is by no means anywhere near as bad as what some are making out on here though.

Koeman took over  at the saints when they had just lost Pottechino and a hand full of their star players to the shite, yet he still managed to improve them that year.

The following season he again lost key players but made them even better once again, finishing this season with Southampton just 3 points off a CL place, playing some great football in the process.

That is why, in my opinion at least, if the deal is to happen, that he is the front runner for the job.

There is a strong chance we will lose Lukaku and Stones this summer, leaving a huge gap not only in quality in our squad but serious numbers too.

Moshiri has probably looked at how Koeman has managed to keep Southampton not only competitive but also improved them despite major player losses. Koeman seems to fit the bill only this time he will have an awful lot more money to be able to get it right.

They have probably looked at who would be the best candidate to be able to deal with a major squad overhaul, which is what I believe will happen this summer.

He has 2 years of prem experience under his belt so you know he can do it in this league.

In my opinion it is a good logical appointment, not the greatest and most exciting, I agree, but one that I think will definitely take us forward, even if it is gradually.

People need to get more of a grip as to where we are as a club at the moment and who we can get.

We have finished 11th in consecutive seasons now and are, at best at the moment, a mid table club, but not far off where we want to be as a minimum which is finishing in the European places, starting a fresh with a calm head like Koeman would make sense in my opinion. Then if he is to leave us as long as he has left us in good nick we will be in a well better position for a better manager.

That is my take on it anyway, I wouldn't be against Koeman at all, be content.

Yes, if there is no chance to keep Big Rom (Stones leaving is a foregone conclusion) then that is a very logical case for Koeman.  Good post.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 02, 2016, 10:25:35 PM
Koeman fits the bill for a variety of reasons, not least that he knows how to work with a sporting/technical director.

Both Emery and Koeman have win % of around the 50% mark, which will keep you very competitive in the premier league, somewhere in the European places. In the dutch leagues, this was boosted to nearly 60%, which is title winning form (yes the dutch league is poor bla bla bla).

Both very good managers, and will definitely be our gain and Southampton's loss.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 02, 2016, 10:26:06 PM
I haven't seen anyone say that Koeman would be dreadful for us.

He's just not a manager that inspires much belief that we might finish above 6th.

Also agreed.  I think "high floor, low ceiling" even if that may not be fair.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2016, 10:34:45 PM
O'Keeffe going big on a Koeman/Monchi combo:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-manager-latest-koeman-monchi-11420014

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 02, 2016, 10:34:52 PM
If we can finish around 5/6th that will do me just fine.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 02, 2016, 10:35:35 PM
Yay, a manager to keep us nice and steady.

And there's me thinking things would change.

Playing to the gallery a bit here.

It is a process.

Some people need to reconcile themselves with our current position in the game. We have regressed over the last two years and - rightly or wrongly - are now considered to be below Southampton, West Ham and others in the food chain. Moshiri having a larger wallet does not change that at this stage.

At this stage in our trajectory we need a manager who can undo the damage of the last two seasons and re-establish us in our previous position of 'best of the rest' before moving on as us and them aim higher.

If people don't think Koeman is the man to do that then fair do (I happen to think he can do it) but the idea we would bag a top-shelf manager who would make us boss overnight was a non-starter.

Having realistic expectations is not the same as accepting mediocrity as some like to portray it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 02, 2016, 10:35:42 PM
I'd much rather have Pellegrini - he'd be my first choice.

Not sold on Emery, he could easily flop.

That is a worry. Look what happened with Juande Ramos, who did brilliantly at Sevilla. And then came to Spurs and had them at the bottom of the table when he got sacked.

Very different propositions -- managing in La Liga and The Prem. What works in one can flop in the other. Just ask Moyes.

Emery would be a roll of the dice. Koeman is the safe bet.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2016, 10:38:03 PM
That is a worry. Look what happened with Juande Ramos, who did brilliantly at Sevilla. And then came to Spurs and had them at the bottom of the table when he got sacked.

Very different propositions -- managing in La Liga and The Prem. What works in one can flop in the other. Just ask Moyes.

Emery would be a roll of the dice. Koeman is the safe bet.

But then plenty of foreign managers have hit the ground running, and done really well, and plenty of domestic appointments have gone tits up. It's too simplistic to point to Juande Ramos, because there's numerous examples to the contrary, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 02, 2016, 10:41:30 PM
No manager we get is going to be perfect. I have reservations about the main three we're linked with, but see the positives in each. Any one of Emery, Koeman, or Pellegrini is fine by me.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 02, 2016, 10:41:59 PM
O'Keeffe going big on a Koeman/Monchi combo:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-manager-latest-koeman-monchi-11420014



Balls in with that article.

TBH I'm more interested in the Monchi appointment than I am whether we get Emery or Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2016, 10:44:43 PM
Balls in with that article.

TBH I'm more interested in the Monchi appointment than I am whether we get Emery or Koeman.

Yeah Monchi would be pretty bigtime. Seems to be considered amongst the best in Europe in his role, and it's hard to disagree looking at Sevilla's transfer ins and outs, relative to their achievements.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 02, 2016, 10:46:26 PM
That is a worry. Look what happened with Juande Ramos, who did brilliantly at Sevilla. And then came to Spurs and had them at the bottom of the table when he got sacked.

Very different propositions -- managing in La Liga and The Prem. What works in one can flop in the other. Just ask Moyes.

Emery would be a roll of the dice. Koeman is the safe bet.


Koeman would also be under more pressure at Everton than he is at Southampton. I don't buy that Southampton are on the same level as Everton. We have a pressure of never being relegated from the Premier League, a larger fanbase, a better history of winning trophies (albeit not won anything for a long time) and more funds. We expect results and top half finishes, which is a bonus for Southampton and is seen a good season.

It is a step up for him in terms of salary, pressure and the size of the club, but whether he can handle it is another question.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 02, 2016, 10:47:38 PM
Monchi would soften the blow quite a bit.

Still think we should be looking elsewhere than Koeman though.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 02, 2016, 10:51:23 PM
But then plenty of foreign managers have hit the ground running, and done really well, and plenty of domestic appointments have gone tits up. It's too simplistic to point to Juande Ramos, because there's numerous examples to the contrary, and vice versa.
Well, Ramos is the obvious comparison because he also managed in La Liga and for Sevilla.

As for the numerous examples to the contrary (Spanish, not just foreign)...is Benitez the best of the lot maybe?

And I wouldn't say Koeman exactly went "tits up" in the Prem. He's done quite well with less resources than he'd have at Everton. As for the argument that the extra pressure might get to him...well, fucking hell, whatever.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Makis on June 02, 2016, 10:54:24 PM
Best of the lot? Heard of this Guardiola fella? Or Luis Enrique?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2016, 10:55:27 PM
Well, Ramos is the obvious comparison because he also managed in La Liga and for Sevilla.

As for the numerous examples to the contrary (Spanish, not just foreign)...is Benitez the best of the lot maybe?

And I wouldn't say Koeman exactly went "tits up" in the Prem.


Of foreign managers who've come and achieved success, having never managed here ? Pochettino, Mourinho, Benitez, Mancini, Wenger etc etc etc.

When I say plenty of domestic appointments have gone tits up, I mean that appointing someone with Prem experience in no guarantee whatsoever - our last manager, Allardyce to Newcastle, Moyes to Utd etc etc etc

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2016, 10:56:54 PM
Playing to the gallery a bit here.

It is a process.

Some people need to reconcile themselves with our current position in the game. We have regressed over the last two years and - rightly or wrongly - are now considered to be below Southampton, West Ham and others in the food chain. Moshiri having a larger wallet does not change that at this stage.

At this stage in our trajectory we need a manager who can undo the damage of the last two seasons and re-establish us in our previous position of 'best of the rest' before moving on as us and them aim higher.

If people don't think Koeman is the man to do that then fair do (I happen to think he can do it) but the idea we would bag a top-shelf manager who would make us boss overnight was a non-starter.

Having realistic expectations is not the same as accepting mediocrity as some like to portray it.
That's absolutely the way the fans and Board should be approaching it and that should be our initial aim. Expecting a new manager to come in and get us 4th is unrealistic.

I also agree completely that Koeman would be a good choice to do that.

That's all I think he's capable of though and I think there's considerably more upside to Emery and Pellegrini. It's not a slight on Koeman at all, I think he'll do a good job here; he's just an underwhelming choice in comparison to some of the others on offer.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 02, 2016, 10:57:39 PM
O'Keeffe going big on a Koeman/Monchi combo:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-manager-latest-koeman-monchi-11420014



Everton want to team Ronald Koeman with renowned Sevilla sporting director Monchi in an ambitious twist to their search for a new manager. The Blues have renewed hope of luring Southampton boss Koeman to Goodison and are pushing hard to prise Monchi from Seville. They are prepared to offer the Dutchman in the region of £6m-a-year to take the job, and won’t blink at the prospect of paying the £3.8m it would require to buy Monchi out of his contract at the Ramon Sanchez Pizjuan stadium. Koeman arrived home from holiday last night, and reports emerged from Holland this morning claiming that him and agent Rob Jansen were due on Merseyside to talk terms later today.

I like the bit in bold.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 02, 2016, 10:57:50 PM
People talk about keoman and our need of a squad overhaul but didn't he have a DOF at Southampton buying the players? Pretty sure he's a coach not manager.

In which case how can he be classed as good rebuilding a squad?

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 02, 2016, 10:58:54 PM
I'm not really arsed who we get now.

There are plenty of examples of managers being pretty shit abroad and then coming good here. Pochettino (sp?) Being one.

There are plenty of examples of managers being pretty good abroad and then coming here and being shite. Juande Ramos (sp?) falls squarely into this catagory.

Literally a near impossible job to select a new manager when the stakes are this high.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 02, 2016, 11:00:52 PM
The main aim is to get a manager that can make us competitive again, and regain the confidence in the players and fans that Martinez lost.

I am sure any manager that comes in will be capable of doing that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 02, 2016, 11:01:03 PM
Best of the lot? Heard of this Guardiola fella? Or Luis Enrique?

HOw many games has Guardiola managed in the Prem?

Now, I think he'll do quite well in England. Especially since he's managed in Germany as well as Spain. And because, as he did in Germany and Spain, he'll have the most talented squad by far.

As for Luis Enrique, wtf? Has he managed in England?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 02, 2016, 11:04:27 PM
People talk about keoman and our need of a squad overhaul but didn't he have a DOF at Southampton buying the players? Pretty sure he's a coach not manager.

In which case how can he be classed as good rebuilding a squad?
Plenty of managers have had players bought in for them and failed

Koeman in his defence has built two separate sides really and made it look reasonably seamless
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 02, 2016, 11:04:51 PM
Deffo 'avin a bit of Koe

My not be sexy but he's deffo a giant of the game. Plus weren't S'ton only shit for a few games mid-season?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 02, 2016, 11:05:35 PM
Of foreign managers who've come and achieved success, having never managed here ? Pochettino, Mourinho, Benitez, Mancini, Wenger etc etc etc.

When I say plenty of domestic appointments have gone tits up, I mean that appointing someone with Prem experience in no guarantee whatsoever - our last manager, Allardyce to Newcastle, Moyes to Utd etc etc etc

Who is this Mourinho fellow? Never heard of him.

Seriously, if you have to pretend my comment was made in a completely different  context so you can attack it, you're just being dishonest or daft.

If you want to respond to my post, fine, all for it. If you want to make up things and pretend I posted them and then respond to those, just PM yourself.

 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 02, 2016, 11:12:13 PM
Monchi is more important than the manager, in my opinion. I seriously hope the rumours about our interest in him are true.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2016, 11:14:01 PM
Who is this Mourinho fellow? Never heard of him.

Seriously, if you have to pretend my comment was made in a completely different  context so you can attack it, you're just being dishonest or daft.

If you want to respond to my post, fine, all for it. If you want to make up things and pretend I posted them and then respond to those, just PM yourself.

 

It wasn't an attack mate, chill. I thought we were having a debate about Prem experience vs foreign promise. Honestly, I come in peace.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2016, 11:16:15 PM
Monchi is more important than the manager, in my opinion. I seriously hope the rumours about our interest in him are true.
To an extent, but if the last two seasons have shown anything, it's that it doesn't matter how good the players you've got are if the manager can't get them to perform.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Fynci on June 02, 2016, 11:25:47 PM
I'd be underwhelmed. He might steady the ship but nothing more.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 02, 2016, 11:34:30 PM
To an extent, but if the last two seasons have shown anything, it's that it doesn't matter how good the players you've got are if the manager can't get them to perform.

Last season at Chelsea showed that as well.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 02, 2016, 11:35:45 PM
Koeman's very well regarded in the media, and if he backs it up with results with us then his star would definitely be on the rise.

I want Emery I must admit, but I'd definitely take Koeman.

You can stick your Sammy Lee up your arse though.

Funnily enough, you probably could without too much discomfort.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 02, 2016, 11:36:04 PM
To an extent, but if the last two seasons have shown anything, it's that it doesn't matter how good the players you've got are if the manager can't get them to perform.

I'm looking at it this way -- we aren't being linked seriously with anyone incompetent (except maybe Mancini). Given a good batch of players, any of Koeman, Emery, Pellegrini, de Boer, or even (gasp) M---- will improve our league position. This gives Monchi time to overhaul the scouting network and the entire recruitment side of the club, which will give us a long-term advantage over most of our rivals.

I think Moshiri is playing the long game here. One managerial appointment plus one summer shopping spree is unlikely to set Everton up for long-term success. He's trying to get the best manager available but I think he knows that it's more important to the future of the club to make sure that everything runs well behind the scenes. An opportunity to make a play for one of the world's finest sporting directors has just fallen into his lap and he'd be a fool not to do everything in his power to bring him here.

Maybe this is just me hoping but none of the noises from Moshiri's corner have suggested any sort of short-termism in his thinking. He must know that bringing in a top sporting director like Monchi will give us a competitive edge for as long as we can keep him at the club (which is probably much longer than the average managerial appointment).
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 02, 2016, 11:40:11 PM
I'd be happy with most of the front runners (if they are in fact the front runners), my choices would be:

1st: Emery

2nd: Koeman

Joint 3rd: Pellegrini/De Boer

9998th: Moyes

9999th: Me

10000th: Martinez/Mike Walker

10001th: Jon Bon Jovi
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 02, 2016, 11:43:38 PM
So on the manager merry go round its:

KOEMAN to Everton

His ex agent gets De Boer the Southampton job

Pelligrini returns to Spain to Sevilla because

Emery & Monchi go to Milan.


Martinez and Moyes join forces and form a support group for out of work managers.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2016, 11:43:47 PM
I'm looking at it this way -- we aren't being linked seriously with anyone incompetent (except maybe Mancini). Given a good batch of players, any of Koeman, Emery, Pellegrini, de Boer, or even (gasp) M---- will improve our league position. This gives Monchi time to overhaul the scouting network and the entire recruitment side of the club, which will give us a long-term advantage over most of our rivals.

I think Moshiri is playing the long game here. One managerial appointment plus one summer shopping spree is unlikely to set Everton up for long-term success. He's trying to get the best manager available but I think he knows that it's more important to the future of the club to make sure that everything runs well behind the scenes. An opportunity to make a play for one of the world's finest sporting directors has just fallen into his lap and he'd be a fool not to do everything in his power to bring him here.

Maybe this is just me hoping but none of the noises from Moshiri's corner have suggested any sort of short-termism in his thinking. He must know that bringing in a top sporting director like Monchi will give us a competitive edge for as long as we can keep him at the club.
I was playing devil's advocate rather than disagreeing really! Most of the managers we've been linked with would right the ship, so to speak.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 02, 2016, 11:44:24 PM
I'd be happy with most of the front runners (if they are in fact the front runners), my choices would be:

1st: Emery

2nd: Koeman

Joint 3rd: Pellegrini/De Boer

9998th: Moyes

9999th: Me

10000th: Martinez/Mike Walker

10001th: Jon Bon Jovi

Genuinely believe Bon Jovi would be a more competent manager than Martinez is
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 02, 2016, 11:46:38 PM
I was playing devil's advocate rather than disagreeing really! Most of the managers we've been linked with would right the ship, so to speak.

You made a good point though. Bringing in Monchi and hiring an awful manager would hardly fix our problems.

Fortunately, we don't seem to be talking to any awful managers.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 02, 2016, 11:49:54 PM
Emery is my preferred choice, but Koeman and a shed load of transfer money would slash our odds of getting top 4, according to SkyBet.

Looks like we're win win at the moment. Let's hope we land one of them.

Can't comment on the Monchi biz because, I won't lie, I'd never heard of him until yesterday.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 02, 2016, 11:59:46 PM
Emery is my preferred choice, but Koeman and a shed load of transfer money would slash our odds of getting top 4, according to SkyBet.

Looks like we're win win at the moment. Let's hope we land one of them.

Can't comment on the Monchi biz because, I won't lie, I'd never heard of him until yesterday.

Read this if you're interested in learning something about Monchi:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/17/sevilla-monchi-liverpool-europa-league-final (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/17/sevilla-monchi-liverpool-europa-league-final)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 03, 2016, 12:03:27 AM
I'd be happy with most of the front runners (if they are in fact the front runners), my choices would be:

1st: Emery

2nd: Koeman

Joint 3rd: Pellegrini/De Boer

9998th: Moyes

9999th: Me

10000th: Martinez/Mike Walker

10001th: Jon Bon Jovi


Don't underestimate JBJ. He did wonders managing his eight-year-old daughters team in the Mid Jersey Under 9s League.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 03, 2016, 12:14:33 AM
Kramer spreading the Gospel according to Monchi is the best work on NSNO all Spring.  TESTIFY, BROTHER!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 03, 2016, 12:17:46 AM
People saying Koeman has rebuilt Southampton twice. Emery does it every year at Sevilla and still wins the Europa cup.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 03, 2016, 12:22:23 AM
People saying Koeman has rebuilt Southampton twice. Emery does it every year at Sevilla and still wins the Europa cup.

yes, but he turned us down (reportedly).  I still want Pellegrini but can accept this.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thom on June 03, 2016, 12:27:24 AM
More reports coming out of the Netherlands that it's pretty much sewn up.

https://twitter.com/Elko_B/status/738404354789642240?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 03, 2016, 12:30:21 AM
Hiring koeman tells our players and potential targets we are aiming for 7th and hoping the cups go to better teams so we squeeze into the Europa cup.

De Boer shows we are rolling the dice and we would be relying on his name as a player.

Signing emery or pellegrini shows our players and targets we have serious intentions on champions league football.

We won't get the tier above that - the mourinhos and someone's of the world. Nobody is daft enough to consider we have a chance of fighting for the league in the next 5 years.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Zoolander on June 03, 2016, 12:31:20 AM

Genuinely believe Bon Jovi would be a more competent manager than Martinez is
We'd be living on a prayer with Jon Bon Jovi in charge in my opinion
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 03, 2016, 12:33:24 AM
We'd be living on a prayer with Jon Bon Jovi in charge in my opinion



@Zoolander (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3162) is on a bit of a roll. ;D
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 03, 2016, 12:34:11 AM
Does Koeman have enough power and pull to keep Lukaku and Stones happy?

Maybe Stones would be, he could learn from one of the best CB of his generation
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 03, 2016, 12:37:58 AM
All just comes across as being safe pair of hands as opposed to an exciting appointment which is a bit disappointing given the changes at the top of the club.

Emery sounds like an exciting appointment and I'll be disappointed if we didn't throw everything at him trying to get him before turning back to Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 12:38:06 AM
Does Koeman have enough power and pull to keep Lukaku and Stones happy?

Maybe Stones would be, he could learn from one of the best CB of his generation
Lukaku is gone
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Zoolander on June 03, 2016, 12:39:42 AM
Genuine question on Koeman. As I've taken no notice of Southampton.
What's his record of bringing youth through? He's rebuilt Southampton well considering their player sales, and we'll have to see what he's like with spending on bigger targets but I'd like to see some of our youth come through.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Zoolander on June 03, 2016, 12:42:20 AM



@Zoolander (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3162) is on a bit of a roll. ;D
It's just all the talk of Emery being the best option boring me...
You could say I'm Emery board



Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 03, 2016, 12:45:03 AM
All just comes across as being safe pair of hands as opposed to an exciting appointment which is a bit disappointing given the changes at the top of the club.

Emery sounds like and exciting appointment and I'll be disappointed if we didn't throw everything at trying to get him before turning back to Koeman.

I definitely think we should be going for Emery first. If he says no though I'm totally on board with Big Ron

I've got a good feeling about our future now that I'm more confident it doesn't involve certain managers!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 03, 2016, 12:46:47 AM
Genuine question on Koeman. As I've taken no notice of Southampton.
What's his record of bringing youth through? He's rebuilt Southampton well considering their player sales, and we'll have to see what he's like with spending on bigger targets but I'd like to see some of our youth come through.

I'm sure he threatened to leave because he refused to play the youngsters because they weren't good enough.

But I think his time in Holland was fruitful in terms of bringing youth through. He did bring Zlatan and that crop of youngsters through.

Actually pienaar too which could be interesting.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 03, 2016, 12:48:45 AM
Don't underestimate JBJ. He did wonders managing his eight-year-old daughters team in the Mid Jersey Under 9s League.

You're right, the man can achieve anything. I'm livin on a prayer we get him if not the top 3

Be hard to get him though, he's wanted dead or alive  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 03, 2016, 12:50:43 AM
It's just all the talk of Emery being the best option boring me...
You could say I'm Emery board








Oh dear. And it was all going so well :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ihatecollina on June 03, 2016, 01:07:13 AM
as in the words of John Challis (Boycie) in Benidorm..
Koeman & Monchi tonight, Koeman AND Monchi
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 03, 2016, 01:09:39 AM
Lukaku is gone

Think Stones is more certain, but the cold truth is they almost surely both are.  Lukaku might stay only because we don't get a proper buyer.  We certainly will have one for Stones.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 03, 2016, 01:15:27 AM
There going a bit mental on the Southampton forum. Quoting toffee forums left right and center. They can't believe he would leave for us.

Now, don't get me wrong I know they have been the better performing team on the pitch this last couple of years whilst we've had a moron in charge BUT how
the hell they think 2 fucking seasons turns them into some big club is behond me.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 03, 2016, 01:16:29 AM
Looks like Koeman was our first choice all along. The Emery link was just rumour fuelled by whom he beat in the EL final.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ell Capitan on June 03, 2016, 01:17:48 AM
Given there was a mass exodus of Southampton players shortly after Koeman arrived, it doesnt say much for his chances of keeping hold of Lukaku, Stones and any others that want out.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 01:18:56 AM
There going a bit mental on the Southampton forum. Quoting toffee forums left right and center. They can't believe he would leave for us.

Now, don't get me wrong I know they have been the better performing team on the pitch this last couple of years whilst we've had a moron in charge BUT how
the hell they think 2 fucking seasons turns them into some big club is behond me.
They are only "back" cos they went into administration really
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 03, 2016, 01:22:27 AM
Given there was a mass exodus of Southampton players shortly after Koeman arrived, it doesnt say much for his chances of keeping hold of Lukaku, Stones and any others that want out.



Lukaku is all but gone mate, just need a club to cough up the dough

Stones could be swayed into staying, but he will need to prove his worth if he does
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ell Capitan on June 03, 2016, 01:24:57 AM
If those two leave we fucking better get a decent manager in with some serious wedge to spend, because our squad will be looking average as fuck without them.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2016, 01:26:14 AM
Lukaku can be replaced, im not worried when he goes
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 03, 2016, 01:28:36 AM
I'm fucking well excited though the shites did beat them lot 6-1.

Granted he turned that around in March!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sirblue57 on June 03, 2016, 01:29:00 AM
Lukaku can be replaced, im not worried when he goes

oh dear god, make it stop........ Stones? yeah we could replace him, maybe not like for like, but with an able replacement...but Lukaku? with who? and for how much?


some of our supporters make me fucking weep.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 03, 2016, 01:29:38 AM
We'd be living on a prayer with Jon Bon Jovi in charge in my opinion

We could go down in a blaze of glory playing our young guns.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 03, 2016, 01:30:09 AM
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/everton/story/2885135/ronald-koeman-close-to-agreeing-deal-to-take-everton-job-sources
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 03, 2016, 01:30:12 AM
I'm just glad I launched the cash on when my ITK told me too, 4 weeks ago  ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 03, 2016, 01:35:08 AM
Genuinely believe Bon Jovi would be a more competent manager than Martinez is

Martinez gives football a bad name.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 03, 2016, 01:36:08 AM
oh dear god, make it stop........ Stones? yeah we could replace him, maybe not like for like, but with an able replacement...but Lukaku? with who? and for how much?


some of our supporters make me fucking weep.

Lacazette, way way way better striker, could be got for around 40 million i reckon, they turned down 32 from West Ham
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 03, 2016, 01:38:14 AM
Martinez gives football a bad name.

Thank god we didn't keep the faith with him.....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 03, 2016, 01:39:10 AM
I know sometimes we must look like twats but this is hilarious.

lolol

(http://s33.postimg.org/vw3yqu8tr/Screen_Shot_2016_06_02_at_19_37_04.png)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 03, 2016, 01:42:57 AM
Lacazette, way way way better striker, could be got for around 40 million i reckon, they turned down 32 from West Ham

Do you think we could get him though, don't think so personally.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 01:47:16 AM
I know sometimes we must look like twats but this is hilarious.

lolol

(http://s33.postimg.org/vw3yqu8tr/Screen_Shot_2016_06_02_at_19_37_04.png)
.......hilarious as you say. This is a club who only a few seasons ago were playing in a 15,000 capacity ground.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 03, 2016, 01:47:55 AM
Do you think we could get him though, don't think so personally.

We're going to have to make some statements as our stock has took a real battering after the last 2 years under Martinez
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 03, 2016, 02:10:37 AM
I know sometimes we must look like twats but this is hilarious.

lolol

(http://s33.postimg.org/vw3yqu8tr/Screen_Shot_2016_06_02_at_19_37_04.png)

Classless? One thing you cannot accuse our club of is being classless. And when this slur comes from a supporter of a club that employed Harry Redknapp you have to laugh at the irony.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 02:11:36 AM
I don't really care if it's 'exciting' or not. The question is whether it is a good appointment or not and the proof will be in the pudding.

The relevant comparison is the next manager with the previous one, not other possible candidates and what-might-have-beens as they are based on speculation (that is, on nothing).

In which case, the only important fact is: we are going from Roberto Martinez to Ronald Koeman. That is a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 03, 2016, 02:19:53 AM
Do you think we could get him though, don't think so personally.

50/50 but we should try, we didn't think we'd get Lukaku, none of the big boys seem to be looking at him and money talks
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 03, 2016, 02:19:56 AM
Also can't ignore his ambitions either. To be the level of player he was and got to where he did in the game he must have had huge ambitions and belief to be one of the best in his position in the era. He won't have lost that when being a manager and I presume one of the reasons he'd leave soton would be because he might see them having a ceiling of 6th-8th every season and see the potential in us as being far greater and believe in himself to get us there. I don't think he'd just see it as another club he can finish 7th in and earn more money for doing that, initially maybe but with the potential to take that further.

Both seasons at soton he has talked up going for for top 4 not hid away from it saying top 7 is good when nobody would have been critical for him hiding away from possibilities so maybe a sign of what he wants to achieve.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 03, 2016, 02:24:08 AM
I know sometimes we must look like twats but this is hilarious.

lolol

(http://s33.postimg.org/vw3yqu8tr/Screen_Shot_2016_06_02_at_19_37_04.png)

Jesus, they need to calm down, i don't live in Liverpool but been quite a lot as you'd expect and i think it's decent. Windy but decent!

Bet most of them have never even been there.....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 02:25:25 AM
Imagine if koeman stays at soton
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 03, 2016, 02:27:16 AM
I know sometimes we must look like twats but this is hilarious.

lolol

(http://s33.postimg.org/vw3yqu8tr/Screen_Shot_2016_06_02_at_19_37_04.png)

What exactly has gone to their heads?  FA Cup in 76?  Staying in the top flight for the past four or five years?  Or the 92 Zenith Cup?  I hope they end up with Moyes.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sirblue57 on June 03, 2016, 02:28:22 AM
What exactly has gone to their heads?  FA Cup in 76?  Staying in the top flight for the past four or five years?  Or the 92 Zenith Cup?  I hope they end up with Moyes.

nah, martinez..... :smug:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 03, 2016, 02:28:26 AM
Imagine if koeman stays at soton
That's the inbuilt Evertonian thinking coming through.  Going from Emery & Monchi last night, to Koeman & Monchi this afternoon, to Koeman without Monchi and now not even Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 03, 2016, 02:30:43 AM
nah, martinez..... :smug:

Nah, couldn't wish Southampton on Roberto.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hamshank33 on June 03, 2016, 02:42:51 AM
Hope they offer him six MIL  and he stays there just isn't sitting right with me having to pay them compensation when he doesn't really inspire me not with the other perceived options out there
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Fynci on June 03, 2016, 03:03:48 AM
That's the inbuilt Evertonian thinking coming through.  Going from Emery & Monchi last night, to Koeman & Monchi this afternoon, to Koeman without Monchi and now not even Koeman.

Nah, the inbuilt Evertonian thinking would be that Koeman will come to us.... and Southampton will get Emery and Monchi.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 03, 2016, 03:10:27 AM
Hope they offer him six MIL  and he stays there just isn't sitting right with me having to pay them compensation when he doesn't really inspire me not with the other perceived options out there

This season alone - Walloped Man City 4-2, Arsenal 4-0 and won at Spurs 2-1. And aside from the Carling Cup disaster, he also managed to beat the shite from 2-0 down in March.

Koeman is an astute appointment. Moshiri knows his shit.

I for one, have a good feeling about this.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 03, 2016, 03:11:04 AM
Nah, the inbuilt Evertonian thinking would be that Koeman will come to us.... and Southampton will get Emery and Monchi.

De Boer will end up at Southampton. 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 03:14:00 AM
De Boer will end up at Southampton. 

That was my prediction in the big thread: Koeman to us, FDB to Southampton.

If we do go for Big Ron, hopefully it happens as it would be good to get a side-by-side comparison of two candidate, to see if we missed out or dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hamshank33 on June 03, 2016, 03:20:13 AM
This season alone - Walloped Man City 4-2, Arsenal 4-0 and won at Spurs 2-1. And aside from the Carling Cup disaster, he also managed to beat the shite from 2-0 down in March.

Koeman is an astute appointment. Moshiri knows his shit.

I for one, have a good feeling about this.
I have all this in mind but still not sitting right but if you put him on a list of M,MoN or even Unsworth then Fuck it sign him up. Pay him up, just make sure he pays it all back when he fucks off to Le Arse or wherever
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2016, 03:31:27 AM
The poll is evening itself out nicely now
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thom on June 03, 2016, 03:34:50 AM
Lacazette, way way way better striker, could be got for around 40 million i reckon, they turned down 32 from West Ham

Lyon's president says any offers have to be made before June 30, as they won't sell him after that date.

Considering we've got three and a half weeks to sort that transfer out, in the event we'd even be considering it, it'd have to be quick.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 03, 2016, 03:36:30 AM
Mole and some geezer from TEF both saying Koeman's sorted. Probably both chatting shite or maybe the same person, but that seems to be the way the tide is going.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 03:39:24 AM
The Mole has surely been outed as a WUM or a bookie now, chipping in minutes after things are said elsewhere like clockwork.

Never even heard of TEF but they seem to be taking this ITK bloke seriously.

Welcome Ronald. I hope the reports we're paying you 6 million bones a year aren't right.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 03:45:47 AM
Mole and some geezer from TEF both saying Koeman's sorted. Probably both chatting shite or maybe the same person, but that seems to be the way the tide is going.
Is it toffee crisp if so they are defo one and alike
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 03:46:32 AM
The Mole has surely been outed as a WUM or a bookie now, chipping in minutes after things are said elsewhere like clockwork.

Never even heard of TEF but they seem to be taking this ITK bloke seriously.

Welcome Ronald. I hope the reports we're paying you 6 million bones a year aren't right.
Tef has two lads who defo know stuff, not toffee crisp tho
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 03, 2016, 03:47:53 AM
Is it toffee crisp if so they are defo one and alike

Nah some other fella, who they seem to know and trust. Says he hardly gets any info, but he's had it confirmed from someone. Said it's a huge deal.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 03:48:16 AM
Tef has two lads who defo know stuff, not toffee crisp tho

some bloke called Connor apparently.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 03:52:41 AM
Nah some other fella, who they seem to know and trust. Says he hardly gets any info, but he's had it confirmed from someone. Said it's a huge deal.
Just been on tef, it's from someone who said bk was ill
some bloke called Connor apparently.
Dunno who that Connor is, he isn't someone who is deemed as itk on there tho
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Topper on June 03, 2016, 03:53:36 AM
 Heading to Lyon with Northern Ireland for the Euros so if anyone is in the know give Moshiri a shout and tell him i can tap up Lacazette for £12.50 and a packet of crisps.  I can guarantee it before the 30th June deadline  8)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 03, 2016, 04:07:33 AM
Sounds like we just paid through the nose until he couldn't say no.  Still wish we took Pellegrini instead, but I trust Moshiri.  Maybe this was part of his Arsenal due diligence?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 04:07:41 AM
The esk

Quote
Had two separate confirmations that Koeman deal is "done" - he was clearly Moshiri's #1 target at the beginning of the process even though it looked like he'd lost that position when Emery became a possibility and received an offer.

Assuming the DoF is sorted quickly we are in a fantastic position to enjoy the summer, re-vamp the squad, hopefully keep our major players and obviously buy some genuine talent with the funds Moshiri is making available to the club.

It's another step in the process of turning us into a truly competitive club once more. So much to look forward to!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 03, 2016, 04:11:14 AM
Really don't want Koeman.

The problem is though, I'm not overly keen on any of the managers we're being realistically linked with.

FDB - Dutch Martinez (apparently)

Emery - untested in the PL

Pelligrini - not sure if he's got the desire (although he's probably best of bad bunch)

Mancini - miserable, boring bastard.

Koeman - boring football, Moyesesque, not really achieved anything in England.

The only manager would be Simeone, and there is no chance of that happening, although I would rather have Simeone with a £100m transfer fund than Koeman with a £150m fund (considering it would cost is around £50m for a 3 or 4 year contract for Simeone)

I'm a proper negative bastard.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Heisenberg on June 03, 2016, 04:13:35 AM
Really don't want Koeman.

The problem is though, I'm not overly keen on any of the managers we're being realistically linked with.

FDB - Dutch Martinez (apparently)

Emery - untested in the PL

Pelligrini - not sure if he's got the desire (although he's probably best of bad bunch)

Mancini - miserable, boring bastard.

Koeman - boring football, Moyesesque, not really achieved anything in England.

The only manager would be Simeone, and there is no chance of that happening, although I would rather have Simeone with a £100m transfer fund than Koeman with a £150m fund (considering it would cost is around £50m for a 3 or 4 year contract for Simeone)

I'm a proper negative bastard.


Pretty fussy for a man who thinks Phil Neville was good at football !
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 03, 2016, 04:14:18 AM
Pretty fussy for a man who thinks Phil Neville was good at football !

He was decent yes.
But let's not ruin another thread.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: robertdrumm1954 on June 03, 2016, 04:21:02 AM
Gave you a like for informing - not for him taking Sammy Lee with him
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/53a3c26ba685af31dcad3a51aa0ff72e.jpg)
This cunt is a no-no.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 03, 2016, 04:21:23 AM
Still waiting for someone with credibility to mention the Koeman story. Wouldn't surprise me if this 'news' slows down tomorrow and Emery gets a mention as a 'sure thing'. Proper soap opera now.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 03, 2016, 04:21:52 AM
Can we call him Rappin' Ronnie Koeman?

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 03, 2016, 04:23:22 AM
Whatever's going to happen needs to happen quick now. The transfer window opens now, and we have no plans etc to spend this so called 100 million.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alex6691 on June 03, 2016, 04:23:29 AM
Honestly don't understand why people question Pellegrinis desire just due to his age. Sir Alex was like one hundred and seventy two when he retired but he still had desire?
Pellegrini has regrets over how he's left city and will probably feel he's got something left to prove.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 03, 2016, 04:24:29 AM
Honestly don't understand why people question Pellegrinis desire just due to his age. Sir Alex was like one hundred and seventy two when he retired but he still had desire?
Pellegrini has regrets over how he's left city and will probably feel he's got something left to prove.

Didn't he come out recently and say he's considered retirement?

That would suggest he's lacking a bit of desire.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alex6691 on June 03, 2016, 04:27:27 AM
Didn't he come out recently and say he's considered retirement?

That would suggest he's lacking a bit of desire.

Not necessarily mate. He just wants a good offer, a good project and an exciting opportunity. If he didn't have the desire he would just jack it in now. Not like he needs the money is it?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 03, 2016, 04:32:58 AM
Not necessarily mate. He just wants a good offer, a good project and an exciting opportunity. If he didn't have the desire he would just jack it in now. Not like he needs the money is it?

He's younger than Ranieri so I don't think it had anything to do with age, he would actually be my first choice out of the realistic candidates, but I think him talking about retirement unless an 'interesting' offer comes his way, just seems like he's winding down in his career.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alex6691 on June 03, 2016, 04:36:33 AM
He's younger than Ranieri so I don't think it had anything to do with age, he would actually be my first choice out of the realistic candidates, but I think him talking about retirement unless an 'interesting' offer comes his way, just seems like he's winding down in his career.

Fair play mate, makes sense there. Could be the case but I still think he would give it his all should we get him. Like I said probably still wants to make up for his mistake of announcing Guardiola too early but either way, I'd much much prefer Pellegrini over Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: church on June 03, 2016, 04:39:12 AM
Apparently..... the esk confirmed to the other Mods on the forum in their private Mod group at 7.34 pm ...... that  it was Koeman with the job.Just taken this from the S'oton forum.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 04:47:21 AM
Back pages
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 04:51:20 AM
fucking hell 7 million bones a year is mad.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 04:51:46 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southamptons-ronald-koeman-poised-become-8104214
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alex6691 on June 03, 2016, 04:52:23 AM
£165 million. Yes.
£7 million a year on Koeman? Fuck off.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 03, 2016, 04:53:03 AM
135k a week?!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 03, 2016, 04:56:11 AM
£7m per year?  Best not have to sack him at that much!

Sort of shows were not going to fuck around with low wages for anyone anymore though.  If we think your worth it you'll get it - no need to have yo go to City or Chelsea.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2016, 04:57:43 AM
Hes got red hair and we dont care

Ronald Ronald Koeman

Doesnt work, does it
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 03, 2016, 04:58:38 AM
I cannot believe we are paying him that.

Fuck me.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 05:00:03 AM
7 million samolians a year puts him as the joint 7th highest paid manager in the world according to this list.

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/highest-paid-football-managers/
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 03, 2016, 05:04:00 AM
How many Jack Butland's can we buy with £165m?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 03, 2016, 05:04:57 AM
Bit mad all this.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 03, 2016, 05:07:03 AM
It's a lot of money, but managers should be paid more given their importance, so that side of things doesn't bother me at all.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 05:07:46 AM
7 million samolians a year puts him as the joint 7th highest paid manager in the world according to this list.

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/highest-paid-football-managers/
....................In Moshiri we trust . :wag:

a bit more detail in this article
..........http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/making-everton-top-4-force-8103970
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 03, 2016, 05:17:13 AM
How many Jack Butland's can we buy with £165m?

Won't matter when joe hart comes in for 40m....

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Heisenberg on June 03, 2016, 05:17:46 AM
Lads, we don't have to worry about his wages anymore.

This, by a mile is the most ambitious thing we've done in my lifetime. We're gonna do everything we can to get our own way on this

I can't wait for transfer rumours to begin !
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 03, 2016, 05:18:06 AM
Signing this chap is a bit of a coup, man!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 03, 2016, 05:18:28 AM
I don't really care if it's 'exciting' or not. The question is whether it is a good appointment or not and the proof will be in the pudding.

The relevant comparison is the next manager with the previous one, not other possible candidates and what-might-have-beens as they are based on speculation (that is, on nothing).

In which case, the only important fact is: we are going from Roberto Martinez to Ronald Koeman. That is a step in the right direction.

Koeman hasn't managed a game for us yet, and you've already damned him to hell with faint praise.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 03, 2016, 05:20:14 AM
Already being moved on to his next club before he's been announced:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/making-everton-top-4-force-8103970

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 03, 2016, 05:21:05 AM
Emery must have a great offer somewhere to be able to turn that kind of money down.  :whistle:

Champions League, we're having a laugh, Champions League we're having a laugh...................

Fuck it though, if it's true, lets all get behind him and see what he can do. We had two years of moaning about a manager, there's not much of base to build on like Martinez had so lets see how he gets on before we all turn against him.

KOEMAN IN!!!

Nope, my whelm is slightly under cooked.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 03, 2016, 05:21:33 AM
My mate is a Southampton fan. A couple of weeks ago he posted on FB something about them being in the EL. I posted "what are you going to do when we poach your manager." He replied " I will wake you up from your dream." He's been on their tonight a little less cocky shall we say.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 03, 2016, 05:22:02 AM
Saints forum

"It'll be hilarious if they end up like Villa or QPR. It takes more than big signings to achieve success. It will take them years to get to the same sort of organisation we have behind the scenes"

Hehehehe
And they have the nerve to call us deluded.

Goes to show how far RM dragged us down these last 2 years!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 03, 2016, 05:22:53 AM
Won't matter when joe hart comes in for 40m....



The best he'll come in with is two bacon cheeseburgers with onions from the Skem brekkie van.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 03, 2016, 05:23:05 AM
This time last year our biggest story was Luke Garbutt signing a new contract, now it's giving a manager 7mil and year with a 165mil transfer kitty.

Decent.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 03, 2016, 05:23:31 AM
Already being moved on to his next club before he's been announced:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/making-everton-top-4-force-8103970



I remember a similar thing being said about RM.

(Not comparing the 2, just the media seem to love seeing us as a stepping stone)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 03, 2016, 05:24:07 AM
Already being moved on to his next club before he's been announced:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/making-everton-top-4-force-8103970



We will only be a stepping stone if he's successful. And that means kicking on from his 'keeping afloat' performance at Soton.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 03, 2016, 05:24:40 AM
My mate is a Southampton fan. A couple of weeks ago he posted on FB something about them being in the EL. I posted "what are you going to do when we poach your manager." He replied " I will wake you up from your dream." He's been on their tonight a little less cocky shall we say.

Damn, Koeman leaves and his cock shrinks. Sounds like it was more than just Ronald's managerial ability he admired.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 03, 2016, 05:25:21 AM
I'd be happy with Koeman, I think people need to realise that whatever we, as fans, think of our squad and its ability we have finished bottom half two years running. So to play Devils advocate i would argue that if Koeman got us consistently top 6 again he would of taken us up a level.

I kind of feel Koeman is the first part of a 5 year plan, get him to build a good team and make it finish consistently in the top 6, then appoint a manager who will build on top of that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 03, 2016, 05:28:15 AM
This time last year our biggest story was Luke Garbutt signing a new contract, now it's giving a manager 7mil and year with a 165mil transfer kitty.

Decent.

Remember in the past on here when we were all dreaming of things like this. Now it's actually fucking happening.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 03, 2016, 05:30:12 AM
I think Moshiri's honing in on Koeman is partially down to his Arsenal connection. Paper talk (admittedly unreliable) suggests that Koeman would be one of the favorites to replace Wenger if he left. I think Moshiri knows why Koeman is so highly rated there and is beating his former club to punch.

And that Southampton supporter is sort of right about what happens behind the scenes. This appointment and the money we're about to spend are only worth so much if we don't have a coherent plan.

We should be offering Monchi at least as much as we're offering Koeman. Make it happen, Farhad.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 03, 2016, 05:33:04 AM
If we are willing to give Koeman that much money then I don't think we should be worried as it's clearly there, it's also incredible if we have £100m plus this transfer window. I never thought I'd see us do something like that and was always one of those "Imagine we had that money..." conversations with my friends and family.

Incredible.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 03, 2016, 05:36:07 AM
I'm really getting into the idea of Koeman now.

I think the days of getting emotionally attached to managers who stay for 5-10 years are over. We can accept that Koeman might not be here forever and that might bring with a level of detatchment, but if he's able to elevate us significantly in the next 2/3 years and win something, that would be great.

After that, if the time comes for him to leave, we might then be in position to aim for an elite manager to take us to the next level up.

Be nice to get Monchi in for the longterm structure of the club, and then I can't wait for the transfer activity to start properly.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 03, 2016, 05:36:44 AM
Maybe Lukau's head will turn back?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 03, 2016, 05:37:57 AM
Maybe Lukau's head will turn back?

Unlikely but you never know.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 03, 2016, 05:38:28 AM
Maybe Lukau's head will turn back?

Doubt it, his mind (and his dads) is pretty much made up.

As daft as it sounds, I am actually more leaning towards selling him would be better for the club, but of course, would absolutely love to see him stay.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ally2 on June 03, 2016, 05:40:14 AM
The papers always exaggerate. I doubt it's £7m/year. It might be with certain achievements etc. Or it could be rising to that value after x years etc. We could also have some clause there if we he were to be released either because we wanted someone else or if he wanted to leave. I suppose it's not worth contemplating until anything is done.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TSGun on June 03, 2016, 05:40:42 AM
Happy with Koeman if true.

Think it's a wise decision on the whole. He's the perfect stepping stone for us as we are to him.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shogun on June 03, 2016, 05:41:38 AM
Maybe Lukau's head will turn back?

What, out of his arse?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 03, 2016, 05:42:11 AM
Definitely gives the impression that we had to madly overpay to keep from getting turned down again (rather than Koeman being really excited to be here).  But that's business for you, I am glad we did, rather than end up in a tailspin/negative media cycle.  I'm impressed with how Moshiri has done business here.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 03, 2016, 05:45:20 AM
I actually think it's  good idea that the manager should be paid more than the players.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 03, 2016, 05:47:50 AM
Rom's a goner, that's a definite. Be amazed if Koeman doesn't already know that as part of the negotiations, and isn't already thinking about strikers around Europe to go for.

£165m is a game changing amount and even in today's market, that's enough to build a team for Koeman.

Also, we are gonna be fucking boss on FM 2017.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 03, 2016, 05:48:23 AM
I like how this news has evened out the poll to 50% Yes / 50% No. It was more 34% Yes / 66% No when I voted earlier.

But this is what happens, right? We all have to get behind the new man regardless of our initial opinions.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 03, 2016, 05:49:18 AM
Here is the man himself wearing our shirt. If anyone is remotely arsed.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/Cozzie/koemaneverton_zpsiqbfe9us.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: church on June 03, 2016, 05:49:33 AM
My mate is a Southampton fan. A couple of weeks ago he posted on FB something about them being in the EL. I posted "what are you going to do when we poach your manager." He replied " I will wake you up from your dream." He's been on their tonight a little less cocky shall we say.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH ...... they ain't very happy over there.Their forum has gone from.... making puns about biscuits this afternoon.......... to complete and utter dismay at the moment  :laugh:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 03, 2016, 05:51:23 AM
Definitely gives the impression that we had to madly overpay to keep from getting turned down again (rather than Koeman being really excited to be here).  But that's business for you, I am glad we did, rather than end up in a tailspin/negative media cycle.  I'm impressed with how Moshiri has done business here.

Pretty sure Martinez and Moyes were on fairly high wages also.

Here is the man himself wearing our shirt. If anyone is remotely arsed.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/Cozzie/koemaneverton_zpsiqbfe9us.jg)

Context on that?.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trublue on June 03, 2016, 05:51:44 AM
Rom's a goner, that's a definite. Be amazed if Koeman doesn't already know that as part of the negotiations, and isn't already thinking about strikers around Europe to go for.

£165m is a game changing amount and even in today's market, that's enough to build a team for Koeman.

Darn I only buy Footy Manager every two years so will have to break that.  On a serious note, Rom's sale will bring some serious money in. We need at least two strikers, so it will come in handy

Also, we are gonna be fucking boss on FM 2017.


Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 03, 2016, 05:52:32 AM
I like how this news has evened out the poll to 50% Yes / 50% No. It was more 34% Yes / 66% No when I voted earlier.

But this is what happens, right? We all have to get behind the new man regardless of our initial opinions.

This is the thing, we are powerless to decide or control who comes in to manage the club.

I was never a fan of Martinez when he got appointed but will always get behind whoever it is, as there is no point in slagging someone off before they have even done anything.

Lets just put faith in Moshiris decision and lets see what Koeman can bring us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 03, 2016, 05:56:22 AM
Whatever's going to happen needs to happen quick now. The transfer window opens now, and we have no plans etc to spend this so called 100 million.

I was thinking this exact same thing as I woke up and noticed no news about a new manager today.

I just didn't want to say anything because people on here probably would have toll me to relax.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: church on June 03, 2016, 05:56:39 AM
Moyes as DoF  and Martinez as manager.......... would surely be ........ the perfect tonic for Southampton now.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 03, 2016, 05:58:03 AM
Couldn't give two fucks what the media, or Southampton fans for that matter, say about the proposed hiring of Koeman. He wasn't my first choice, I also think 7m a year is a lot of money, but fuck it, it isn't my money, it isn't my decision to hire him, but I will, along with many others, get behind him under our new regime and I'm actually getting quite excited at the thought of what's to come.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 03, 2016, 05:59:07 AM
Can we keep the snide remarks about Southampton and their supporters to a minimum?

I'm sure some of you have legitimate reasons for disliking them but for me, they're one of the few Premier League clubs I have time for. Their rivals vulture their players and/or staff every summer and they keep right on performing. They are a very well run club and I have a lot of respect for that.

It's nice that Everton now have some financial muscle to flex but we don't need to spit on the clubs we buy from. I remember how livid it made me when City supporters started banging on about how they were going to buy whoever they wanted. Let's not be that club.

Let's let our results do the talking.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2016, 05:59:46 AM
"Barbarbababab dum dum dum dum....and this weeks highest mover, coming straight in from number 20..moving up 14 places to joint 6th is Ronald 'kicks like a mule' Koeman...with his new cover version of Abba's hit song Money Money Money...darbarbabarb bum bum......."



http://www.totalsportek.com/money/highest-paid-football-managers/

Simone and Enrique both clearly need a new agents.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluestevie on June 03, 2016, 06:02:23 AM
Pretty sure Martinez and Moyes were on fairly high wages also.

Context on that?.

We'd just lost 1-0 to Feyenoord in the Cup Winners Cup in 1995 and obviously Koeman had swapped shirts with one of our players at full time
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 03, 2016, 06:08:26 AM
Pretty sure Martinez and Moyes were on fairly high wages also.

Context on that?.

Played Fayenoord in the cup I believe.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 03, 2016, 06:08:37 AM
Sorry Bluestevie never saw your post mate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: church on June 03, 2016, 06:10:31 AM
Can we keep the snide remarks about Southampton and their supporters to a minimum?

I'm sure some of you have legitimate reasons for disliking them but for me, they're one of the few Premier League clubs I have time for. Their rivals vulture their players and/or staff every summer and they keep right on performing. They are a very well run club and I have a lot of respect for that.

It's nice that Everton now have some financial muscle to flex but we don't need to spit on the clubs we buy from. I remember how livid it made me when City supporters started banging on about how they were going to buy whoever they wanted. Let's not be that club.

Let's let our results do the talking.
Well they don't seem to have the same affinity to us mate. For example........ we have been called bin dippers... the city is a shit hole ........ not the biggest club in our city............... OH AND THE REALLY CLASSY ONE................ We have to borrow a minutes silence from our rivals.So they can Fuck right off in my eyes.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 03, 2016, 06:11:21 AM
Can we keep the snide remarks about Southampton and their supporters to a minimum?

I'm sure some of you have legitimate reasons for disliking them but for me, they're one of the few Premier League clubs I have time for. Their rivals vulture their players and/or staff every summer and they keep right on performing. They are a very well run club and I have a lot of respect for that.

It's nice that Everton now have some financial muscle to flex but we don't need to spit on the clubs we buy from. I remember how livid it made me when City supporters started banging on about how they were going to buy whoever they wanted. Let's not be that club.

Let's let our results do the talking.

Hey if they want to play at being 'Billy Big Bollocks' because of a 24 month superiority over one of the most successful clubs in the history of British football then they got to expect some chiding.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alfie Noakes on June 03, 2016, 06:12:07 AM
I don't understand why Koeman is being offered so much money but maybe I will in 12 months.

Probably alone on this but personally I'd rather have investment pumped into the "stadium problem" instead.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 03, 2016, 06:12:37 AM
Can we keep the snide remarks about Southampton and their supporters to a minimum?

I'm sure some of you have legitimate reasons for disliking them but for me, they're one of the few Premier League clubs I have time for. Their rivals vulture their players and/or staff every summer and they keep right on performing. They are a very well run club and I have a lot of respect for that.

It's nice that Everton now have some financial muscle to flex but we don't need to spit on the clubs we buy from. I remember how livid it made me when City supporters started banging on about how they were going to buy whoever they wanted. Let's not be that club.

Let's let our results do the talking.

Well said, that man.

It would be silly to start animosity with Soton fans over this. They're a well run club, and they're not our enemies (unless we're playing them).
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 03, 2016, 06:15:26 AM
Little discussion, including former blue Brian McBride on whether he can lift us.

http://www.espnfc.us/video/espn-fc-tv/86/video/2885318/espn-fc-extra-time-can-koeman-lift-everton
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alfie Noakes on June 03, 2016, 06:16:42 AM
Well they don't seem to have the same affinity to us mate. For example........ we have been called bin dippers... the city is a shit hole ........ not the biggest club in our city............... OH AND THE REALLY CLASSY ONE................ We have to borrow a minutes silence from our rivals.So they can Fuck right off in my eyes.

That doesn't justify stooping to the level of one or two of them. We have class.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 03, 2016, 06:17:15 AM
I'm really getting into the idea of Koeman now.

I think the days of getting emotionally attached to managers who stay for 5-10 years are over. We can accept that Koeman might not be here forever and that might bring with a level of detatchment, but if he's able to elevate us significantly in the next 2/3 years and win something, that would be great.

After that, if the time comes for him to leave, we might then be in position to aim for an elite manager to take us to the next level up.

Be nice to get Monchi in for the longterm structure of the club, and then I can't wait for the transfer activity to start properly.

I think the only manager we could hire who we could be reasonably certain would stick around for 5-10 years would be David Moyes.  ;D
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 03, 2016, 06:18:47 AM
Little discussion, including former blue Brian McBride on whether he can lift us.

http://www.espnfc.us/video/espn-fc-tv/86/video/2885318/espn-fc-extra-time-can-koeman-lift-everton

Sound cut off a quarter way through. :(
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 03, 2016, 06:19:58 AM
I think the only manager we could hire who we could be reasonably certain would stick around for 5-10 years would be David Moyes.

And none of us want that!

I'm hoping Koeman is the blend of Moyes and Martinez that we've often mentioned. I certainly feel he will make us solid again and tough to beat. That's the next step.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: md49vd on June 03, 2016, 06:20:32 AM
165 mil sounds like an awful lot of money to spend in a transfer window

if lukaku leaves then we will obviously need a new striker, we also need a new keeper,

The defence is fine imo, there are no weak links there, baines and coleman are the best full backs in the league on their day and jags is our captain and stones our future captain. Mori is an exceptional replacement who is now an Argentine International player.

If we have injuries in defence we can always rely on youth like we did at the end of last season, they played exceptionally well especially in the game against norwich.

The midfield does need to be improved imo, we cannot rely on Barkley to be our playmaker constantly which is why I think maybe bringing tadic / mane from southampton would be a good idea

lennon is a good player but i would not have him over deulefeu or mirallas. with potentially osman, pienaar, gibson and mcgeady leaving in the summer or being loaned out we haven't got a strong backup if injuries hit our midfield. Barry is also getting on these days.

if lukaku leaves we are a bit weak up front with only kone, niasse and tarashaj. I am excited about the prospect of tarashaj though and hope he has a good euro's (if he gets any game time).

so basically i think need a goalkeeper, a creative midfielder, a winger, 2 strikers

that's 5 players with £165.00 mil budget meaning on average each player would cost 33 million . that just seems crazy given that lukaku is our highest transfer signing at 28 mil.

take into account koeman may sign a few squad players to replace the outgoing lukaku, osman, hibbert, pienaar, howard etc.. then you would still be looking at at least 25 mil per player and that's not including the money we recoup from player sales.

--------------New Keeper--------------

Coleman---Stones---Jagielka/Mori-----Baines

Deulofeu----Barkley---McCarthy/Barry----Mirallas

----------New Striker------New Striker---------------
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: church on June 03, 2016, 06:21:36 AM
That doesn't justify stooping to the level of one or two of them. We have class.
I am not stooping to any level.......... I  am just stating ....what has been said about us today.I certainly don't have to listen to another members opinion and not voice my own. No offence to you or the original poster........ it was the last comment .... that they had put up that got to me.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 03, 2016, 06:25:00 AM
Sound cut off a quarter way through. :(

Yeah same here, shame.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 03, 2016, 06:26:00 AM
This is a proper statement of intent from Moshiri.

Some of us might've wanted Emery, Pellegrini or others, but this was the guy Moshiri wanted from the off, and he seems to have got him. That act alone is out of step with what we've had to put up with for as long as I can remember.

It would've been quite easy to say 'let's take De Boer, he's decent and cheaper'. But Moshiri hasn't done that here.

I do think we're in for a really exciting, positive time as a club.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ell Capitan on June 03, 2016, 06:27:38 AM
What's his transfer record for players bought at Soton like?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alfie Noakes on June 03, 2016, 06:28:04 AM
I am not stooping to any level.......... I  am just stating ....what has been said about us today.I certainly don't have to listen to another members opinion and not voice my own. No offence to you or the original poster........ it was the last comment .... that they had put up that got to me.

I wasn't saying you were stooping to any level, just hoping that you and others don't take it any further!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 03, 2016, 06:28:16 AM
This is a proper statement of intent from Moshiri.

Some of us might've wanted Emery, Pellegrini or others, but this was the guy Moshiri wanted from the off, and he seems to have got him. That act alone is out of step with what we've had to put up with for as long as I can remember.

It would've been quite easy to say 'let's take De Boer, he's decent and cheaper'. But Moshiri hasn't done that here.

I do think we're in for a really exciting, positive time as a club.


It's awesome isn't it but I have to admit it's a strange feeling as well.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 03, 2016, 06:28:38 AM
There's been civic sniping between the two cities for the last few years.
Coupled with the fact the rest of the country still thinks of Liverpool as the place ~Harry Enfield's scousers are from and the fact Southampton as a club feel they have proven themselves as a top 10 side and want some recognition points to them not reacting well to this news.

I went the year before last (the 2-0 abject loss) and spoke to a few of them down there (massive lack of boozers). There's been no rivalry between the clubs as they have been none-entities for a long time. That has led to a liking of each other.
Same with City originally.
But as soon as a team becomes a rival or is considered immediately above you in the tiers you start to find reasons not to like them.
They were starting to feel that towards us 2 or 3 years ago apparently. We hadn't noticded the existed at that point.

Seems we still havent as popping down and just taking their manager seems perfectly obvious to us. Why wouldnt he leave them?
That's the attitude they will be railing against at the minute


that's not including the money we recoup from player sales.
It sort of is.
The current attitude is we have £100m to spend.
The £165m figure is after the sale of Lukaku.
I genuinely dont see anybody else leaving for a significant sum of money.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ally2 on June 03, 2016, 06:29:23 AM
It does feel like the reason we have waited so long is because Koeman wanted to go on holiday. That's ok. But a little surprising when I thought there were more difficult complications than that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: church on June 03, 2016, 06:32:09 AM
I wasn't saying you were stooping to any level, just hoping that you and others don't take it any further!
No probs mate........... I am a new kid on the block in here........ I just think we have all been pulling our hairs out for the last 3 weeks..... it must be sending us all a bit Doo lally.......... :laugh:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2016, 06:36:25 AM
What's his transfer record for players bought at Soton like?

You'd have to ask Les Reed I believe who deals with Southampton's player recruitment since Koeman was hired.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Reed_(football_coach)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 03, 2016, 06:37:39 AM
What's his transfer record for players bought at Soton like?

I'm pretty sure Les Reed is the main person driving transfers at Southampton.

Getting a sporting director to work with Koeman will be crucial.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 03, 2016, 06:42:52 AM
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/02907/GettyImages-521561_2907260a.jpg)

Ronnie clearly has better dress sense in the coat department compared to Bobby.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 03, 2016, 06:51:06 AM
Can we keep the snide remarks about Southampton and their supporters to a minimum?

I'm sure some of you have legitimate reasons for disliking them but for me, they're one of the few Premier League clubs I have time for. Their rivals vulture their players and/or staff every summer and they keep right on performing. They are a very well run club and I have a lot of respect for that.

It's nice that Everton now have some financial muscle to flex but we don't need to spit on the clubs we buy from. I remember how livid it made me when City supporters started banging on about how they were going to buy whoever they wanted. Let's not be that club.

Let's let our results do the talking.

It's kind of difficult after reading 22 pages of their fan forum.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56548-Ron-Koeman/page20

They really do think so highly of themselves, it's incredible.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56548-Ron-Koeman/page21
This page in particular with their replies to a pretty normal Evertonians post.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: church on June 03, 2016, 07:01:00 AM
just found this..........https://twitter.com/FeedTheFans

taken from The Southampton forum............. FFS......... Merry go Round
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bacon sarnie on June 03, 2016, 07:10:54 AM
No probs mate........... I am a new kid on the block in here........ I just think we have all been pulling our hairs out for the last 3 weeks..... it must be sending us all a bit Doo lally.......... :laugh:

Ha ha ha - 'Doo lally'. Old school. Love it mate. Should be the motto on the new crest.

Koeman: Bit of a damp squib. Not amused/excited at all. Nurse - more whatever the fuck please!....................

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 03, 2016, 07:52:26 AM
It's kind of difficult after reading 22 pages of their fan forum.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56548-Ron-Koeman/page20

They really do think so highly of themselves, it's incredible.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56548-Ron-Koeman/page21
This page in particular with their replies to a pretty normal Evertonians post.

Who cares what they think? It's their opinion.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thomas on June 03, 2016, 08:29:41 AM
What an absolutely underwhelming choice as manager. Just shows the lack of intent and ambition as the club. I wanted someone who had won a league championship or at least a European trophy. That would make a statement.

This is a complete white flag. A total let down.

Why could we not get Emery?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: brap2 on June 03, 2016, 09:09:54 AM
Has there been some major news?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 03, 2016, 09:16:46 AM
Has there been some major news?



There is this, but it's not been confirmed as such. :)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southamptons-ronald-koeman-poised-become-8104214
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: md49vd on June 03, 2016, 10:05:11 AM
What an absolutely underwhelming choice as manager. Just shows the lack of intent and ambition as the club. I wanted someone who had won a league championship or at least a European trophy. That would make a statement.

This is a complete white flag. A total let down.

Why could we not get Emery?

benitez
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 03, 2016, 12:09:05 PM
Guess there's a bit more to run on this.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14533715.Southampton_hopeful_over_Koeman_despite_Everton_link/

Saints remain hopeful that Ronald Koeman will sign a new contract at the club, despite a fresh bout of speculation linking him with the vacant post at Everton.

Despite Koeman having played down the initial reports just before the final game of last season, and insisting publically that he intends at the very least to honour the remaining year of his Saints contract, widespread rumours have flared up again.

However, the Daily Echo understands that Saints at this stage remain relaxed about the reports, which come at a time when they are negotiating a potential contract extension with Koeman.

Saints would have to give Koeman permission to speak with Everton and no formal approach has yet been made.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 03, 2016, 12:13:33 PM
Bloody hell. The usual suspects bleating on like he's Neil Lennon. You've heard of Koeman, right? He's kind of a big deal in football.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 03, 2016, 12:14:36 PM
A white flag lolol
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 03, 2016, 12:48:53 PM
Thank goodness for that. Emery it is then.














Loving this!!!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2016, 02:14:03 PM
1/8 with sky bet now
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hamshank33 on June 03, 2016, 02:28:10 PM
Bastard shame...........that being said if we end up with O'Neil or the like I will kick myself.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2016, 02:29:47 PM
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0lshrl04j1qhsx1go3_250.gif)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 03, 2016, 02:55:04 PM
When Koeman is installed as manager and signs Wayne Rooney, (note this post btw),
The newspaper heading will be:

BLUE KOO SIGNS ROO.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 03, 2016, 02:58:23 PM
What an absolutely underwhelming choice as manager. Just shows the lack of intent and ambition as the club. I wanted someone who had won a league championship or at least a European trophy. That would make a statement.

This is a complete white flag. A total let down.


(https://media.giphy.com/media/238TBqADQsqBy/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TSGun on June 03, 2016, 03:23:08 PM
Is today going to be the day?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Danny on June 03, 2016, 03:36:27 PM
What an absolutely underwhelming choice as manager. Just shows the lack of intent and ambition as the club. I wanted someone who had won a league championship or at least a European trophy. That would make a statement.

This is a complete white flag. A total let down.

Why could we not get Emery?

Everton aren't the club you think they are, if we had the stadium already then i'd see us as a bigger deal than we currently are but at the moment all we are is a mid table underachieving club, you talk about us like were massive and I suspect you weren't even old enough to see us when we were any good.

On Koeman he's won league titles, taken teams to the quarters of the champions league, done very well with on ok at best Southampton side. He hasn't done anything to deserve being lumped in with some of the actually poor managers linked with the job.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 03:38:45 PM
What an absolutely underwhelming choice as manager. Just shows the lack of intent and ambition as the club. I wanted someone who had won a league championship or at least a European trophy. That would make a statement.

This is a complete white flag. A total let down.

Why could we not get Emery?

Well we did ask Ronny Delia but, seeing as he's inundated with rival offers, he wasn't interested :snigger:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 03, 2016, 03:51:59 PM
If someone can explain why Koeman is such a bad choice of manager, then i am more than willing to listen. But based on his career statistics, and what he has done with Southampton over the last couple of seasons, I am willing to give him all my support if he is named.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Waltzer on June 03, 2016, 03:55:26 PM
If someone can explain why Koeman is such a bad choice of manager, then i am more than willing to listen. But based on his career statistics, and what he has done with Southampton over the last couple of seasons, I am willing to give him all my support if he is named.

100% agree, if we get him ill be pleased, didnt want a manager like Pelligrini whose contemplating retirement, Koeman has big ambitions and big drive and hopefully we'll match that. Emery is a still unknown in the Prem so I think its almost as good as we could expect and this is light years above my confidence compared to when Martinez was appointed.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Zoolander on June 03, 2016, 04:01:25 PM
Sky news reporting that we're in talks with him
Looks like it's going to happen
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 03, 2016, 04:03:18 PM
Is today going to be the day?

By all accounts it should be, however, it is Everton.

Southampton fans keep going on about he is a good guy, loyal, has European football with them etc
They seem confident his agent is using us to screw more money out of them bla bla bla, and that he will stay. They are venting their anger on Les Reed for not getting him signed up sooner.

Alegedly Emery turned us down, although I don't know where that came from, so if KOEMAN does likewise we could get to the end of the Euros out of this and a few more threads may have to be closed.
A Pellegrini thread will have to be opened next.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 03, 2016, 04:06:59 PM
Koeman, De Boer, Emery, Pellegrini.... In terms of experience and trophies won throughout their playing and management career any of them would be a monumental improvement from where we have just come from.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 03, 2016, 04:10:35 PM
 :clap:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 04:11:12 PM
Koeman, De Boer, Emery, Pellegrini.... In terms of experience and trophies won throughout their playing and management career any of them would be a monumental improvement from where we have just come from.
............I wonder which manager would be coming in if we didn't have Moshiri at the club. Oh wait - it would still be Martinez.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 04:12:05 PM
De Telegraaf saying within 24 hours.

'Imminent' even?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sirblue57 on June 03, 2016, 04:14:20 PM
watch this space.......
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2016, 04:14:39 PM
Welcome to Everton Mr Koeman
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 03, 2016, 04:16:59 PM
It will be nice to have a decent defence, especially if we get Van Dijk.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 03, 2016, 04:28:11 PM

De Telegraaf saying within 24 hours.

'Imminent' even?

Obviously more impatient in Holland.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 03, 2016, 04:37:27 PM
If someone can explain why Koeman is such a bad choice of manager, then i am more than willing to listen. But based on his career statistics, and what he has done with Southampton over the last couple of seasons, I am willing to give him all my support if he is named.

He may, or may not be, a good choice, time will tell. Like everything else football managers are a lottery.

If Everton were  going for Koeman from the start, and signed him there and then, I think he would be getting a much better reception. But then your Pellegrinis and Emerys etc came into the mix and looked more attractive prospects which now leaves a Koeman appointment looking a bit underwhelming.

The last time was similar. Martinez was mentioned from the outset, then we went through the Porto guy, Ralf Rangnick phases and ended up underwhelmed with Martinez.

Psychologically some people could be having a de-ja-vu moment.

On the issue of his record, we will be his 9th club since 2000, so he doesn't exactly stick around that long. He has had sucess, but it is peppered with failure too. Like I said earlier it is a lottery no matter who is appointed.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 03, 2016, 04:45:07 PM
His inability to stick around anywhere for much more than two years doesn't really bode well for long term planning but if he wants to take us back into the top 6 and leave us on a decent footing before taking Wenger's job in a couple of years then that's fine by me.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 03, 2016, 04:48:39 PM
The one statistically large failure he had was with Valencia, which for whatever reason, they didn't perform in the league and he got sacked. However, they still won the Copa Del Rey in his 5 months in charge. The job afterwards, AZ Alkmaar is a strange one, and he still left the job with a 45% win ratio, which isn't bad at all.

At least the calibre of manager we are after has increased since Bobby took over 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TSGun on June 03, 2016, 04:49:05 PM
By all accounts it should be, however, it is Everton.

Southampton fans keep going on about he is a good guy, loyal, has European football with them etc
They seem confident his agent is using us to screw more money out of them bla bla bla, and that he will stay. They are venting their anger on Les Reed for not getting him signed up sooner.

Alegedly Emery turned us down, although I don't know where that came from, so if KOEMAN does likewise we could get to the end of the Euros out of this and a few more threads may have to be closed.
A Pellegrini thread will have to be opened next.

Not really surprised if that's true about Emery. Maybe he feels he's done his apprenticeship, and that's meant with no disrespect to us of course.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 03, 2016, 04:51:20 PM
His inability to stick around anywhere for much more than two years doesn't really bode well for long term planning but if he wants to take us back into the top 6 and leave us on a decent footing before taking Wenger's job in a couple of years then that's fine by me.

I think most clubs chop and change managers every two or three years. I think Wenger at Arsenal, Ferguson at United and Moyes with us were more exceptions than the norm.
All this chopping and changing is a bit of a culture shock to some Evertonians.
The good side of it is that if you don't like the appointment you only have to moan about it for a year or so.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 03, 2016, 04:56:10 PM
What an absolutely underwhelming choice as manager. Just shows the lack of intent and ambition as the club. I wanted someone who had won a league championship or at least a European trophy. That would make a statement.

This is a complete white flag. A total let down.

Why could we not get Emery?

Maybe he didnt want to come? At a good club in Spain where he is in the champions league. And a good chance at least one of Atletico or Real Madrid wont have a manager in 12 months time and will be in the running for either job.

Anyway, you say you want someone who was won a league title...Koeman has won 2 as a manager and 8 as a player!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 05:18:53 PM
De Telegraaf saying within 24 hours.

'Imminent' even?

..........I think they said ' Immingham ' you can get a ferry to Rotterdam from there. :snigger:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Fynci on June 03, 2016, 05:19:49 PM
Ladbrokes have suspended betting.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 05:25:01 PM
https://twitter.com/m/status/738672814144823296 (https://twitter.com/m/status/738672814144823296)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bogie on June 03, 2016, 05:25:24 PM
hope he brings the keeper with him then
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 03, 2016, 05:29:12 PM

Anyway, you say you want someone who was won a league title...Koeman has won 2 as a manager and 8 as a player!

I think stats as a player mean sweet F A.  Gary Neville being a prime example.

I am beginning to think stats in general mean fuck all, they can be twisted and interpreted any way you want.
For example:

I think Koeman actually won 3 league titles, but they were all in Holland. Steve McClaren done well in Holland.

See what I mean?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Fynci on June 03, 2016, 05:30:45 PM
Looks pretty conclusive.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 03, 2016, 05:31:09 PM
Bring Virgil with you
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 03, 2016, 05:42:54 PM
Saints fans are now resigned to the fact he is going.
They have compiled a list of managers that are available to replace him.
They got the list from Everton sites of managers we were looking at.
Lazy journos live in Southampton.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 03, 2016, 05:43:00 PM
Haven't van Dijk and co all just signed 6 year contracts??
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
His agent saying there's an offer from Soton too. What's our options if Koeman decides to stay put ?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2016, 05:44:48 PM
The poll is level

Lets take it to deadlock!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 03, 2016, 05:44:52 PM
Haven't van Dijk and co all just signed 6 year contracts??

The keeper has. Not sure about VVD
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: toffee_scot on June 03, 2016, 05:45:35 PM
I would be happy enough if Koeman is appointed manager. Some might argue it is too safe an option but I think at this moment in time we need a manager who we are confident can establish us as at least a top 8 team again after the Martinez disappointment. We could see major changes in our playing squad this summer especially with a few of the veterans out of contract plus the likes of Lukaku and Stones possibly moving. Koeman has proved at Southampton he can handle those situations and even make the team better.

I expect Koeman is a tougher character so won't put up with as much nonsense as our last manager. There might be concerns about how long he stays at clubs but you never know, he might be here for the good while or even if he isn't, we should have a Director of Football whose role should mitigate the impact of such a departure.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 03, 2016, 05:45:45 PM
The keeper has. Not sure about VVD

He signed before Forster did.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 03, 2016, 05:45:50 PM
His agent saying there's an offer from Soton too. What's our options if Koeman decides to stay put ?

The two year Pelligrini contract we offered.

How many fucking contracts do we have lying around people's offices?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MIG on June 03, 2016, 05:46:18 PM
van Dijk and Forster both tied down long term.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2016, 05:47:50 PM
His agent saying there's an offer from Soton too. What's our options if Koeman decides to stay put ?

(https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1356787/moyes-hitcher.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 03, 2016, 05:49:12 PM
He signed before Forster did.

Yeah he signed last season but hasn't signed a new contract has ge?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 03, 2016, 05:49:43 PM
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2016, 05:50:59 PM
Let's hope Koeman and the new DoF set their sights higher than Southampton players.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 03, 2016, 05:51:03 PM
Haven't van Dijk and co all just signed 6 year contracts??




Good player that lad Van Djik. I think we are well OK for centre halves unless you're thinking of sacking off Jags though. Mind you, Jags did rattle on about the Queens birthday on twitter a while back, so maybe it's for the best. Nah! "Only kidding Phil". :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MIG on June 03, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Yeah he signed last season but hasn't signed a new contract has ge?
van Dijk signed a 6 year contract last month
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thom on June 03, 2016, 06:06:36 PM
And yet Lewis Coombes, BBC South reporter and sports presenter, said this two hours ago:

https://twitter.com/LEWIS_C/status/738661534394679297

https://twitter.com/LEWIS_C/status/738661958463938560

Could run into the weekend, this.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: brap2 on June 03, 2016, 06:10:55 PM
Bit embarrassing that we're having to pay out the wazzoo to pinch their manager.

Get the impression he doesn't really want to be here.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 03, 2016, 06:12:59 PM
He's hardly running here with open arms is he. Money talks clearly.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 06:20:27 PM
Bit embarrassing that we're having to pay out the wazzoo to pinch their manager.

Get the impression he doesn't really want to be here.
............isn't it standard for a club to demand compo ?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2016, 06:20:37 PM
Yeah the impression seems to be if Southampton want to keep him he'd stay for a few dollars more.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MIG on June 03, 2016, 06:23:25 PM
Come on lads everyone knows football is run by money now days, this is nothing new.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 03, 2016, 06:26:55 PM
Yeah the impression seems to be if Southampton want to keep him he'd stay for a few dollars more.

I suspect that Soton fans are perpetuating that myth as they're all a bit butt-hurt at the moment.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 06:29:11 PM
Don't think there's anything in it.

We probably approached Koeman before the end of the season and he said "I'm interested but I'm going on holiday. We'll talk when I'm back". He's then gone on holiday, come back and wants the job but we can't make an official move until we deal with the club first.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 03, 2016, 06:30:34 PM
No different to Martinez we paid compensation there and commission as well Kone. And I'm sure we all understand  that Roberto got a hefty pay rise to come to us. Koeman is a big step up from Martinez, but will need the support of the fans like Roberto did, to prove it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 03, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
If you put yourself in the shoes of Koeman, the reasons for moving are clear; more money, and greater ambition. In any job, if you are offered both of these things, chances are you will want to move on.

Unfortunately, Southampton fans are a little deluded if they think that Everton aren't a step up. They had their best finish since 1985 last season, when Everton won the league, a feat they have never accomplished. They are a well run club with little debt, but the catchment area around the city also sees Bournemouth and Portsmouth challenging for nearby fans. As recently as 5 years ago, they were in League One playing Tranmere, Yeovil and Exeter, something which you could never envisage happening at Everton.

Southampton have done well in the past 2 seasons, but they will never have the pull and the ability to really challenge for top honours as us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Seahawk on June 03, 2016, 06:32:03 PM
Don't think there's anything in it.

We probably approached Koeman before the end of the season and he said "I'm interested but I'm going on holiday. We'll talk when I'm back". He's then gone on holiday, come back and wants the job but we can't make an official move until we deal with the club first.

This makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 06:53:29 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/03/southampton-manager-ronald-koeman-to-hold-talks-with-everton-abo/

Says we've yet to hold actual talks with him, Southampton aren't that arsed, and we still want to talk to other candidates.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 03, 2016, 07:09:44 PM
We're not going to ask for permission to speak to him only for them to either say no, or him to say no.

We'll agree everything with him unofficially and then approach them who will be forced by him saying that he wants to leave to grant us permission to speak to him.

There'd then be a couple of days sorting things out for appearances.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 03, 2016, 07:27:01 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/03/southampton-manager-ronald-koeman-to-hold-talks-with-everton-abo/

Says we've yet to hold actual talks with him, Southampton aren't that arsed, and we still want to talk to other candidates.

Browsing a Saints forum (quiet day at work) and one or two them are saying the author of this article is well-informed when it comes to Southampton stuff.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 07:43:15 PM
I think the clincher will be when they show Koeman the club bed-sit on County Road.  ::)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 03, 2016, 07:46:03 PM
Esk says it's done and some of the media are a bit behind.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 03, 2016, 07:48:17 PM
van Dijk signed a 6 year contract last month
Fair enough
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 03, 2016, 07:57:15 PM
I think stats as a player mean sweet F A.  Gary Neville being a prime example.

I am beginning to think stats in general mean fuck all, they can be twisted and interpreted any way you want.
For example:

I think Koeman actually won 3 league titles, but they were all in Holland. Steve McClaren done well in Holland.

See what I mean?

I agree, winning titles anywhere doesnt guarantee anything. However my point was tom was saying its an underwhelming appointment because he wanted someone who has won league titles....which Eredivise or not he has still won them.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 08:04:09 PM
https://twitter.com/solentsport/status/738714243474853889
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2016, 08:06:55 PM
Looks like there's plenty of mileage left in this.

Which Everton being Everton means there's still loads of time for this to go tits up.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: djws1788 on June 03, 2016, 08:09:43 PM
on r/Everton there's a clip of him with Carragher on MNF explaining his tactics that's sold me on him I think.

although that could be easy after 2 years of "this is my philosophy, things will come good eventually"
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 03, 2016, 08:10:48 PM
Looks like there's plenty of mileage left in this.

Which Everton being Everton means there's still loads of time for this to go tits up.

Somehow, with Moshiri in town (or at least in London...) things wont be done the old 'Everton' way anymore.

(http://vgtips.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/bill-kenwright-thumbs-up.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Hawkandro on June 03, 2016, 08:25:12 PM
Hope this doesn't drag on for weeks now. We need someone in to sign some funkin' players.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 03, 2016, 08:35:56 PM
https://twitter.com/solentsport/status/738714243474853889

That's why we talk to his agent instead  :smug:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 08:45:11 PM
That's why we talk to his agent instead  :smug:
..........yes ,so now it's up to Koeman to push on - if he wants to.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheTone on June 03, 2016, 09:03:36 PM
If you put yourself in the shoes of Koeman, the reasons for moving are clear; more money, and greater ambition. In any job, if you are offered both of these things, chances are you will want to move on.

Maybe he can afford to buy a new pair now and buy some socks

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2014/8/17/1408278439288/Ronald-Koeman-010.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=068c9d79f630b9a76510415f564e3814)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 03, 2016, 09:03:55 PM
All this fucking drama, when Pellegrini is just sitting there FFS.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: brap2 on June 03, 2016, 09:06:17 PM
Somehow, with Moshiri in town (or at least in London...) things wont be done the old 'Everton' way anymore.

(http://vgtips.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/bill-kenwright-thumbs-up.jpg)

Yeah people keep saying this, but...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 09:07:09 PM
https://twitter.com/ItsHogg/status/738724376992944128
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 09:07:45 PM
All this fucking drama, when Pellegrini is just sitting there FFS.
...........he wouldn't come now anyway ,not after people on here called him Audrey Roberts  ;D
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 03, 2016, 09:08:01 PM
These wum's are upping their game
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 03, 2016, 09:09:30 PM
https://twitter.com/ItsHogg/status/738724376992944128

Clever photoshop job methinks.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 03, 2016, 09:12:48 PM
Lambert's hopes are dwindling.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 03, 2016, 09:20:41 PM
Bored now. Can we just get him in and get on with our transfers please?.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 03, 2016, 09:22:36 PM
Who thinks we're being fucked with?

/raises hand
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 03, 2016, 09:23:17 PM
Remember Ipswich doubled Bobby Robson's salary and that was the end of his interest in us. Southampton can stop it if they want to.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gumpinio on June 03, 2016, 09:24:46 PM
Who thinks we're being fucked with?

/raises hand

The longer this draws out the more I find myself hoping we have a plan B
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 03, 2016, 09:41:46 PM
If Southampton prove difficult, whats the implications if he just resigns ?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 03, 2016, 09:50:24 PM
All this fucking drama, when Pellegrini is just sitting there FFS.

Who thinks we're being fucked with?

/raises hand

Don't worry mate. It'll be announced at some point in the next couple of days. There's no drama and we're not being fucked with.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 03, 2016, 09:55:19 PM
Brilliant seeing people stress themselves out with situations they've just made up in their own heads.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 03, 2016, 09:56:01 PM
Remember Ipswich doubled Bobby Robson's salary and that was the end of his interest in us. Southampton can stop it if they want to.

If Southampton offered to double his wages, that would still be 60k a week less than we are reportedly offering him!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2016, 10:01:50 PM
If Southampton offered to double his wages, that would still be 60k a week less than we are reportedly offering him!

Put like that we look very very desperate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 03, 2016, 10:29:59 PM
Remember Ipswich doubled Bobby Robson's salary and that was the end of his interest in us. Southampton can stop it if they want to.
Nah, they can just employ De Boer to replace him on half the salary we're paying Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: brap2 on June 03, 2016, 10:30:14 PM
If Southampton offered to double his wages, that would still be 60k a week less than we are reportedly offering him!

There's just something about this I'm not comfortable with.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 03, 2016, 10:34:41 PM
There's just something about this I'm not comfortable with.

Why?, it's not your money.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 03, 2016, 10:52:20 PM
Put like that we look very very desperate.

If it was Chelsea doing this, would it make them look desperate?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: fubarruk on June 03, 2016, 11:10:30 PM
Bit underwhelming tbh, kind of had my heart set on Emery.

However, if we believe he was number one choice and we're doing all we can to get him at all costs, that in itself is a massive positive and hopefully a sign of things to come.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: brap2 on June 03, 2016, 11:12:10 PM
Why?, it's not your money.

It's not that... Although I'm not sure if I know what it is.

In the past if we got overlooked or fucked off or turned down for another club, we'd say - well money talks, greedy bastard whatever...but now when it happens we're going to have to just say - we're not the club we thought we were.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 03, 2016, 11:20:58 PM
It's not that... Although I'm not sure if I know what it is.

In the past if we got overlooked or fucked off or turned down for another club, we'd say - well money talks, greedy bastard whatever...but now when it happens we're going to have to just say - we're not the club we thought we were.

We've been paupers for so long, it's easy to get bitter at money. But we have it now, we are able to compete on more equal footing. That's a good thing.

We're getting back to being the club we've always been. The Mersey Millionaires.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 03, 2016, 11:35:47 PM
If it was Chelsea doing this, would it make them look desperate?

Yes.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2016, 12:01:12 AM
Yes.

Of course it wouldn't. You want the best, you pay for it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 04, 2016, 12:01:42 AM
If it was Chelsea doing this, would it make them look desperate?

Yeah it would.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: griff969 on June 04, 2016, 12:05:53 AM
If we think he is worth £140k a week and Southampton do not then he has a decision to make doesn't he? Can't see what we are doing that any other company in any business would not do. If we want him then we have to offer him a package to tempt him. If Southampton want him to stay then they can always match it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 04, 2016, 12:40:00 AM
 Let's hope you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 04, 2016, 12:42:58 AM
Yes.

No determined, there is a difference. Sadly one of the causes of desperation is poverty.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2016, 12:46:14 AM
Of course it wouldn't. You want the best, you pay for it.

But he's not the best, is he? Look at his record and he's actually very average.

I think that's the problem for most people
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 04, 2016, 12:56:17 AM
Offering Koeman so much money without him having achieved much in a reputable league seems a bit Moyes-on-70k-a-week to me if I'm honest
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 04, 2016, 01:02:26 AM
I think what a lot of people need to understand is that we're not really paying him this much to manage our team. We're paying him this much to leave a team he's currently under contract with to come to our team so the price tag goes up. If he was out of work he wouldn't cost this much.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Waltzer on June 04, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
A bit bemused by all the negativity, dont get me wrong I know were all Evertonians and have spent most of our lives depressed but really? My points on it are this:

Pelligrini seems to be in limbo between retiring or taking another project on, is his heart and hunger really in it or when the going gets tough will he just up sticks and retire, plus given the resources available to him he should have won the league at a canter every year. Great at Villareal but has under performed at City.

De Boer, was in favour of him all along until I started to delve into his tactics and hes very much unknown in this league, plus he finished 2nd in a 2 horse race., Great player but hardly inspiring

Emery, like De Boer how would he adapt to this league, unknown quantity whos success, it appears, is owed a lot to the capabilities of Monchi. Yes he did beat the RS in the final but if hes so great why did West Ham apparently turn him down last summer in favour of Bilic?

Koeman, track record of success in the Premiership with a squad almost put together in 1 close season, finished 16 points above us with an inferior team, has drive and determination and will be the difference for us.

Personally I think its a really positive move for us and im really looking forward to what he brings, yes it could go wrong, but any appointment has that potential
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 01:17:35 AM
This has probably been shared widely before but here's Ron Koeman talking about his approach on MNF. Starts about 13 minutes in.

I think a lot of what he has to say will be music to our fans' ears after the complaints regarding the Martinez era.

He talks about preferring to impose his own game on the opposition but also respecting their strengths; about how he changes systems from game to game; how he likes to play from the back but also likes a target man as a reference point if the defenders want to twat it; and how he values practising set pieces to exploit opposition weaknesses.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 04, 2016, 01:21:31 AM
This is who Moshiri wants, and Moshiri has done his homework and is a smart businessman.  I trust him, although I preferred Pellegrini.

I admire that he pushed his chips to the middle rather than risk us getting rejected and having to go to his "B list" for financial reasons when he has ample funds to spend.  It all starts at the top, and if the manager is wrong, IT ALL GOES WRONG.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 04, 2016, 01:32:20 AM
Twitter going with confirmation from some Dutch radio station, with the announcement held up until confirmation of backroom staff.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 04, 2016, 01:32:25 AM
anyone remember the last manager we spent loads on to poach after he'd done "alright" at a smaller club?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 04, 2016, 01:32:46 AM
Twitter going with confirmation from some Dutch radio station, with the announcement held up until confirmation of backroom staff.

and Watched Toffee claiming it as his own info
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 04, 2016, 01:33:22 AM
and Watched Toffee claiming it as his own info

That's because he's a cunt
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 04, 2016, 01:33:25 AM
'oo was dat den?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2016, 01:33:32 AM
and Watched Toffee claiming it as his own info

Hahahahahah a what a weapon
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cassius on June 04, 2016, 01:38:46 AM
anyone remember the last manager we spent loads on to poach after he'd done "alright" at a smaller club?

I can't remember the last time we got a manager from a bigger club.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Zoolander on June 04, 2016, 01:43:06 AM
Koemans no Mike Walker anyhow
That much I'm confident in
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 04, 2016, 02:02:15 AM
I for one think he's going to be a success and hope he's given every chance by our fans to succeed.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 04, 2016, 02:05:26 AM
I for one think he's going to be a success and hope he's given every chance by our fans to succeed.

I think the majority of Evertonians are miserable bastards, we all are deep down. Koeman will do well here I think and it's a genuinely exciting time to be a blue.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 04, 2016, 02:15:48 AM
I think the majority of Evertonians are miserable bastards, we all are deep down. Koeman will do well here I think and it's a genuinely exciting time to be a blue.

Absolutely agree even when things are looking up, our fans still find things to moan about. There is so much right about the club atm, have not felt this optimistic in years.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 04, 2016, 02:17:58 AM
https://vimeo.com/169285463 (https://vimeo.com/169285463)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shogun on June 04, 2016, 02:24:22 AM
https://vimeo.com/169285463 (https://vimeo.com/169285463)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-U-HHlitY7bI/VbZvGbOpEoI/AAAAAAAApIE/ogf9M-EJk6o/w800-h800/IMG_3102.PNG)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 04, 2016, 02:26:42 AM
What the fuck
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 02:30:01 AM
Dutch media saying:

We have an agreement with Ron

We have to settle the compo now

We want him unveiled this weekend

He wants to bring his brother with him
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Polledreng on June 04, 2016, 02:40:09 AM
He wants to bring his brother with him
He would be welcome unlike fat Sammy and Frank's brothers
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 04, 2016, 02:49:55 AM
https://twitter.com/LEWIS_C/status/738816854270070784
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 04, 2016, 02:51:36 AM
Koeman can bring his brother, wife, kids, dog...just fuckin sort it this weekend, please, if only to end the tripe.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 04, 2016, 02:56:05 AM
Twitter going with confirmation from some Dutch radio station, with the announcement held up until confirmation of backroom staff.

Coming through now...... Sammi van Der Lee..
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: velimski on June 04, 2016, 03:00:32 AM
Slightly off topic, but does anyone remember his retaken free against England? "He's gonna flick one, he's gonna flick one"

Fast forward to 1:50

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 04, 2016, 03:06:12 AM
Slightly off topic, but does anyone remember his retaken free against England? "He's gonna flick one, he's gonna flick one"

Fast forward to 1:50



My memory always says "flip one"

And he should've been sent off before.

Prick.

I will love him now though 😍
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 04, 2016, 03:09:28 AM
Slightly off topic, but does anyone remember his retaken free against England? "He's gonna flick one, he's gonna flick one"

Fast forward to 1:50




How good were dutch teams in the day>
It's a crime no major honours were won.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 04, 2016, 03:13:41 AM
Anyone reckon we will do a double unveiling of manager and DOF together whoever they may be?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 04, 2016, 03:20:57 AM
Slightly off topic, but does anyone remember his retaken free against England? "He's gonna flick one, he's gonna flick one"

Fast forward to 1:50


Aahhh.

The good old days of one replay.      From one angle.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2016, 03:21:09 AM
Slightly off topic, but does anyone remember his retaken free against England? "He's gonna flick one, he's gonna flick one"

Fast forward to 1:50



After seeing the best England team of my life, Graham Taylor managed to produce the worst England team of my life following that 1990 World Cup. What utter dross we had back then. Only marginally better now.

Koeman was one of the best defenders of that era and was masterful on free kicks.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 04, 2016, 03:22:42 AM
At the risk of becoming an ITK and being relentlessly pestered for future gems...

... I'm going to predict the headlines right now - "Ronald Blue-man"

Called it.

 :smug:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 04, 2016, 03:23:47 AM
I remember watching that and also remember his be for Barca n the 1994 (I think) European or UEFA Cuo Final at Wembley
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 04, 2016, 03:24:27 AM

Koeman was one of the best defenders of that era and was masterful on free kicks.



Yup. He was shamelessly masterful at staying on the pitch when he should have been masterfully applying the fucking shower gel too.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 04, 2016, 03:31:04 AM
I remember watching that and also remember his be for Barca n the 1994 (I think) European or UEFA Cuo Final at Wembley
V sampdoria

My dad always bought me Barcelona kits back from his holidays, even that peach one
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: velimski on June 04, 2016, 03:31:41 AM
I remember watching that and also remember his be for Barca n the 1994 (I think) European or UEFA Cuo Final at Wembley

'92

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cassius on June 04, 2016, 03:39:43 AM
Yup. He was shamelessly masterful at staying on the pitch when he should have been masterfully applying the fucking shower gel too.

That's the kind of snide we've been missing in the team.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 04, 2016, 03:42:43 AM
That's the kind of snide we've been missing in the team.

Haha! True'nuff.

Don't get me wrong - when he's announced I'll be 100% behind him, without hesitation or reservation, but till then...   fair game.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: robertdrumm1954 on June 04, 2016, 03:50:55 AM
I think the majority of Evertonians are miserable bastards, we all are deep down. Koeman will do well here I think and it's a genuinely exciting time to be a blue.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160603/2b09385e84c00718b8baef87c7b9c1f1.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 04, 2016, 04:04:46 AM
'92


Bloody hell, even longer back than I thought.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 04, 2016, 04:25:37 AM
At the risk of becoming an ITK and being relentlessly pestered for future gems...

... I'm going to predict the headlines right now - "Ronald Blue-man"

Called it.

 :smug:

you have just created our headline for when he takes over
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 04, 2016, 04:26:37 AM
https://twitter.com/LEWIS_C/status/738816854270070784
Same story now fleshed out into an article.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36450172
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 04, 2016, 04:34:01 AM
And not sure how legit this is, but...
https://twitter.com/Alex_Blanchard1/status/738842524274544641
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 04, 2016, 04:34:41 AM
And not sure how legit this is, but...
https://twitter.com/Alex_Blanchard1/status/738842524274544641

hahahahahahaha!

oh shit...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 04, 2016, 04:34:44 AM
Slightly off topic, but does anyone remember his retaken free against England? "He's gonna flick one, he's gonna flick one"

Fast forward to 1:50

Do I not like that...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cassius on June 04, 2016, 04:44:34 AM
And not sure how legit this is, but...
https://twitter.com/Alex_Blanchard1/status/738842524274544641

Wait, Ronald is going to be unveiled as Duncan's number 2?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: md49vd on June 04, 2016, 04:46:10 AM
Hope his first signing is Coman he at juve or bayern now?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 04, 2016, 04:46:59 AM
Hope his first signing is Coman he at juve or bayern now?
Err not likely.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 04, 2016, 04:52:16 AM
All this talk of number 2s is giving me flashbacks of that toilet picture from the other day.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 04, 2016, 04:56:58 AM
Hope his first signing is Coman he at juve or bayern now?

Hahahaha!! Well played mate, that's given me a good laugh.

Seriously though, absolutely no chance, he's wanted by all the massive teams......
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 04, 2016, 05:01:42 AM
Has anyone figured out what Dunc actually does yet?
Other than put the cones out and collect all the balls back in.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 04, 2016, 05:03:06 AM
Has anyone figured out what Dunc actually does yet?
Other than put the cones out and collect all the balls back in.

that's it

oh, and collect the interest on the 20 grand that was "just resting in his account" before eventually giving it to charity
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 04, 2016, 05:08:13 AM
that's it

oh, and collect the interest on the 20 grand that was "just resting in his account" before eventually giving it to charity

As nice of a gesture that it was, it seems a bit bizzare that he had £20k sitting in an account, yet he was made bankrupt a few months back.

I did love the guy as a player, when I was growing up (I think my username was made when I was a teenager, I remember talking on here about the Kirkby ballot when I first registered, so however long ago that was) but as a coach I'm not sure he actually offers anything and I would be amazed if he was offered an AM job.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 04, 2016, 05:08:18 AM
at least if we get Koeman we can stop being Wigaton and start being, erm, Southamp-ton
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 04, 2016, 05:15:25 AM
I've been checking constantly for updates on this

In fact if there was a 24/7 stream of this Id be all over it

The Koeman show
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 04, 2016, 05:17:17 AM
I've been checking constantly for updates on this

In fact if there was a 24/7 stream of this Id be all over it

The Koeman show

yoink!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 04, 2016, 05:20:02 AM
Do I not like that...

The ref in that game made Mark Clatternberg look like the greatest ever. And remember I'm a Welshman saying that
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 04, 2016, 05:20:19 AM
The Mirror suggesting Koeman will bring his brother and Kluitenburg but no mention of S.Lee. Also suggests RM might replace Koeman.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southamptons-everton-target-ronald-koeman-8110971
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: velimski on June 04, 2016, 05:24:15 AM
The Mirror suggesting Koeman will bring his brother and Kluitenburg but no mention of S.Lee. Also suggests RM might replace Koeman.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southamptons-everton-target-ronald-koeman-8110971

Mark Kluitenburg?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 04, 2016, 05:27:59 AM
Mark Kluitenburg?
Is he from New Joizey?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2016, 05:34:58 AM
that's it

oh, and collect the interest on the 20 grand that was "just resting in his account" before eventually giving it to charity
He'd have to leave it in there a long time given that interest rates are still shit.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 04, 2016, 05:41:41 AM
He'd have to leave it in there a long time given that interest rates are still shit.

In fact he'd probably lose money having been charged for phone insurance, car breakdown cover and other shite he didn't actually need.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 04, 2016, 05:56:28 AM
In fact he'd probably lose money having been charged for phone insurance, car breakdown cover and other shite he didn't actually need.

Being careless with money matters really doesn't sound like Duncan..
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hamshank33 on June 04, 2016, 06:03:34 AM
The Mirror suggesting Koeman will bring his brother and Kluitenburg but no mention of S.Lee. Also suggests RM might replace Koeman.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southamptons-everton-target-ronald-koeman-8110971
as long as its not Fucking Emery,or any of the others that were on the list minus the pant pulled down by Southampton. The boss man must know something to aggressively pursue him like this so when it's confirmed I'll be behind big Ron manager.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2016, 06:06:10 AM
as long as its not Fucking Emery,or any of the others that were on the list minus the pant pulled down by Southampton. The boss man must know something to aggressively pursue him like this so when it's confirmed I'll be behind big Ron manager.
I reckon they'll go for De Boer.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 04, 2016, 06:13:56 AM
that's it

oh, and collect the interest on the 20 grand that was "just resting in his account" before eventually giving it to charity



That's disappointing if that's the case. I'm sure he calls on here. Is he that bad Si? I can't/ don't understand?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: carolinablue on June 04, 2016, 06:20:29 AM
Dunc has and still gives a lot of his time to charity's. Bit harsh giving him stick.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: 3v3rt0n on June 04, 2016, 06:25:03 AM
Wonder who his assistant will be? hopefully it's Erwin and not that kopite bell Sammy Lee.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 04, 2016, 06:31:20 AM
you have just created our headline for when he takes over

Will be made up if this happens!

 :woohoo:

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ever100 on June 04, 2016, 09:08:00 AM
that's it

oh, and collect the interest on the 20 grand that was "just resting in his account" before eventually giving it to charity

If he's bankrupt, not sure he could have 20k in his acct 'just resting' as you say, without the administrator controlling it?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 04, 2016, 10:05:36 AM
The Mirror suggesting Koeman will bring his brother and Kluitenburg but no mention of S.Lee. Also suggests RM might replace Koeman.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southamptons-everton-target-ronald-koeman-8110971

As long as he doesn't bring De Boer's brother, I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 04, 2016, 01:36:00 PM
I imagine the saints fans won't like us lot too much after taking there manager.

BUT...Christ they would hate us more than Pompey after a year of being stuck with Martinez!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 02:23:59 PM
Don't think he'll bring Sammy Lee with him. He was appointed separately by Les Reed and I think his brother was the only staff member he took with him from Feyenoord. Not assed if he does come tbh. He might be a kopite and look like a vole but he's good at his job.

And can we lose the picture of the mega shit? Or at least put it in some spoilers or something.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: robertdrumm1954 on June 04, 2016, 02:58:06 PM
Don't think he'll bring Sammy Lee with him. He was appointed separately by Les Reed and I think his brother was the only staff member he took with him from Feyenoord. Not assed if he does come tbh. He might be a kopite and look like a vole but he's good at his job.

And can we lose the picture of the mega shit? Or at least put it in some spoilers or something.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160604/f9a1c30ce18eaa296a8068216850ef89.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bally on June 04, 2016, 03:12:30 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160604/3c48a5b5609dcaae607bef9965f8500c.jpg)
Anything to get rid of that shit pic, not that it makes me sick or anything, but there's enough shit being posted on here at the minute I don't want to see it every time I open the site
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 04, 2016, 03:17:13 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160604/3c48a5b5609dcaae607bef9965f8500c.jpg)
Anything to get rid of that shit pic, not that it makes me sick or anything, but there's enough shit being posted on here at the minute I don't want to see it every time I open the site

Brightened up my morning that. Cheers.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 04, 2016, 03:40:14 PM
If Southampton get Howe, then we can take him of them in 3 or 4 years when Koeman decides to leave for Barcelona.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 04, 2016, 04:21:58 PM
Double blow

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-next-manager-rumours-koeman-11426856
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 04, 2016, 04:29:09 PM
Double blow

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-next-manager-rumours-koeman-11426856

I'm still confident of at least landing Koeman.

I'd never even heard of Monchi before last week, so I'm not that bothered wether he comes or not. Although @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)  did make a pretty compelling case for him.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 04, 2016, 04:32:08 PM
Guardian uses exactly the same quotes to say that Monchi is quite likely to come. O'Keeffe was saying it's quite likely as well, on the Echo podcast.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Fynci on June 04, 2016, 04:38:48 PM
Koeman / Overmars then?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 04:43:56 PM
Can't be assed with this saga dragging on for much longer.

Hopefully it's just Southampton posturing to save face and once permission is granted it will be done quick as we've already hammered out the details without their knowledge.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 04:44:26 PM
Still think we will land him (Koeman).

Southampton are bound to want to make things difficult.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: stirlingblue on June 04, 2016, 04:56:26 PM
Can they ban him from speaking though?

I'd imagine there's some penalties for him the same way as when players hand in a transfer request but surely you can't stop somebody looking for a new job?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2016, 05:09:42 PM
Surel Southampton are breaching some kind of human rights violation there?

If they're really considering legal action then they've just fucked themselves.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: 74Blue on June 04, 2016, 05:34:53 PM
Still think we will land him (Koeman).

Southampton are bound to want to make things difficult.
Surely if he's only got 1 year left on his current deal, he can just resign and "buy-out the remaining year" on his contract. That would also be cheaper than the rumoured £3m compensation package that Southampton are alledgedly demanding. He would obviously have to dig into his own pocket to buy out his contract initially. However, once he is out of contract, there is no reason why Everton could not re-imburse his financial loss, by way of a "signing-on fee". If there is an offer of employment there, and he wants to take up that offer, there's always a way to make it happen. There's absolutely fuck all that Southampton can do if he decides to "buy out" his contract.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 04, 2016, 05:36:23 PM
Southampton are just posturing to make themselves relevant in all this. If we want him and he wants to come there's not a lot they can do.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cassius on June 04, 2016, 05:36:31 PM
I think Southampton are just trying to drive up the compensation.

And how can Monchi have a rest but not consider paying his own contract off to leave?  I think that's just an attempt to calm things down a bit.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 04, 2016, 05:38:27 PM
Not overly taken with Koeman so far. I need to know more about what we would be getting.

There are plenty of posters on here who watch loads of football and are very tactically astute - can you help me please?

I understand he's come into a club that sells its best players and he's had to be clever in the transfer market on a budget. All that is all over the media, I get it. But what about the footballing side?

From assessments of Southampton, how is likely to play?
Will he be able to give Mirallas the rebirth he so desperately needs?

My own take is that Southampton liked to play attractive, passing football (not unlike Martinez) but were quite good at moving the ball forward quickly too (VERY unlike Martinez).

Forget the potentially obscene transfer kitty - if he just had our current squad to work with - what do people think he would do?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 05:42:37 PM
Surely if he's only got 1 year left on his current deal, he can just resign and "buy-out the remaining year" on his contract. That would also be cheaper than the rumoured £3m compensation package that Southampton are alledgedly demanding. He would obviously have to dig into his own pocket to buy out his contract initially. However, once he is out of contract, there is no reason why Everton could not re-imburse his financial loss, by way of a "signing-on fee". If there is an offer of employment there, and he wants to take up that offer, there's always a way to make it happen. There's absolutely fuck all that Southampton can do if he decides to "buy out" his contract.

Precisely, Saints are just tryna drag this out as long as they possibly can.

It may take a while but we will get him in the end.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 04, 2016, 05:42:40 PM
Another holiday?! 8)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3625078/Everton-set-Ronald-Koeman-new-manager-agreement-Southampton.html

Ronald Koeman has agreed terms with Everton and is expected to be announced as the new manager over the weekend, having been swayed by the amount of transfer budget that will be made available by new owner Farhad Moshiri.

Everton will have to pay up the final year of Koeman’s contract at Southampton, understood to be around £3.5m, but Koeman is keen for the deal to be agreed before he goes on holiday next week.

He intends to start work at Everton the following week.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 05:44:44 PM
Not overly taken with Koeman so far. I need to know more about what we would be getting.

There are plenty of posters on here who watch loads of football and are very tactically astute - can you help me please?

I understand he's come into a club that sells its best players and he's had to be clever in the transfer market on a budget. All that is all over the media, I get it. But what about the footballing side?

From assessments of Southampton, how is likely to play?
Will he be able to give Mirallas the rebirth he so desperately needs?

My own take is that Southampton liked to play attractive, passing football (not unlike Martinez) but were quite good at moving the ball forward quickly too (VERY unlike Martinez).

Forget the potentially obscene transfer kitty - if he just had our current squad to work with - what do people think he would do?

This is a good read if you have the time; also the Monday Night Football video I posted a few pages ago

https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/ronald-koemans-saints/
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 04, 2016, 05:46:24 PM
Another holiday?! 8)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3625078/Everton-set-Ronald-Koeman-new-manager-agreement-Southampton.html

Everton will have to pay up the final year of Koeman’s contract at Southampton, understood to be around £3.5m, but Koeman is keen for the deal to be agreed before he goes on holiday next week.

He intends to start work at Everton the following week.
....................he is one lazy bastard. Koeman out  lolol
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 04, 2016, 06:05:17 PM
....................he is one lazy bastard. Koeman out  lolol

The Dutch are renowned for being laid back like.
Title: Koeman
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 04, 2016, 06:11:04 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160604/64821ce57d9f1e5c19557a44be41466b.jpg)

Edit: I know it's not actually Duncan Ferguson.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 06:28:05 PM
So has it actually happened then?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Vespa on June 04, 2016, 06:32:32 PM
This guy is gonna be busy this summer

(http://i.imgur.com/Bm9a3tI.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Polledreng on June 04, 2016, 06:33:34 PM
The Dutch are renowned for being laid back like.
Van Der Meyde and Drenthe for starters
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2016, 06:38:39 PM
This guy is gonna be busy this summer

(http://i.imgur.com/Bm9a3tI.jpg)

He looks kinda creepy.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 04, 2016, 06:43:43 PM
Just heard the deal is sorted for Koeman and the delay is in negotiating the release of Sammy Lee who wasn't originally part of Koemans coaching staff but has become a valued member since he teamed up.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 04, 2016, 06:51:06 PM
The Koeman "done deal" story doing the rounds all over the place now. Announced by 5/6 p.m. I reckon.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ih8redshite on June 04, 2016, 06:52:47 PM

This is a good read if you have the time; also the Monday Night Football video I posted a few pages ago

https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/ronald-koemans-saints/

Excellent article this
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 04, 2016, 07:01:12 PM
Just heard the deal is sorted for Koeman and the delay is in negotiating the release of Sammy Lee who wasn't originally part of Koemans coaching staff but has become a valued member since he teamed up.

Not funny. The thought of that little fat goblin in the Everton dugout makes me sick.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on June 04, 2016, 07:03:24 PM
Koeman would be a good appointment for Everton in terms of where the club currently stands.
We have regressed in the league over the last two seasons and need to get back to stabalising as a top 6/7 club with the aim of playing in europe.

The next few years will be a transitional period for the club, with hopefully major devlepment surrounding a new stadium and improving new and exisiting commercial activities. I'm sure Moshiri will look to make the 'Everton brand' greater worldwide.

Perhaps when it comes to recruiting the next manager in 3 or 4 years time we may attract the equivalents of the likes of Mourinhos, Guardiolas etc, but for now we are work in progress with a project to complete.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 04, 2016, 07:08:07 PM
1/10 with sky bet, im lashing a quid on it
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 04, 2016, 07:34:04 PM
Obscure ITKing

https://twitter.com/tommcgrath1878/status/739071852065259520
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 04, 2016, 07:42:49 PM
It wouldn't bother me if Sammy Lee was bought along with Koeman, if he things he's valuable then that's fine.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: 74Blue on June 04, 2016, 07:46:40 PM
It wouldn't bother me if Sammy Lee was bought along with Koeman, if he things he's valuable then that's fine.
No. Fuck that! I absolutely draw the line at that little fat fucking kopite hobbitt!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 07:50:06 PM
Haha a bit of a meltdown going on the Saints forum.

Sorry Saints fans. You challenged us to a dick-swinging contest but, I'm sorry to say, our man Fahrad is hung like Rico Strong and he's just poked Les Reed's nose out of joint.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2016, 07:54:35 PM
No. Fuck that! I absolutely draw the line at that little fat fucking kopite hobbitt!
Let's keep Graham Jones.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 04, 2016, 07:56:22 PM
Haha a bit of a meltdown going on the Saints forum.

Sorry Saints fans. You challenged us to a dick-swinging contest but, I'm sorry to say, our man Fahrad is hung like Rico Strong and he's just poked Les Reed's nose out of joint.

saintsweb.co.uk?. Currently on page 45, looking forward to this.  lolol
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: 74Blue on June 04, 2016, 07:56:55 PM
Let's keep Graham Jones.
Let's not!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 04, 2016, 08:01:06 PM

Haha a bit of a meltdown going on the Saints forum.

Sorry Saints fans. You challenged us to a dick-swinging contest but, I'm sorry to say, our man Fahrad is hung like Rico Strong and he's just poked Les Reed's nose out of joint.

It's indicative of what we haven't been doing for years though.

Obviously the last two years have been poor regardless but whether or not we thought that 5-7th was good for our current finances we should have always been pushing our historical place in the game.

We've focussed on being run by a local fan, instead of pushing the angle that we we the last big club to be owned by one.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sirblue57 on June 04, 2016, 08:06:27 PM
saintsweb.co.uk?. Currently on page 45, looking forward to this.  lolol
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Link?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 08:07:27 PM
Link?

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?5-The-Saints
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bacon sarnie on June 04, 2016, 08:13:39 PM
http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?5-The-Saints

Interesting....

"I would be sad if Koeman left, but mainly for the reason that he seemed to be a man of his word, a person of integrity. If he did leave for a club like Everton who are below us, then it could only be that he has ditched any principles he seemed to have had for naked personal greed. I would have thought that his personal ambitions would have been served better with us in Europe, after which he could go to one of the top European clubs. If he is using the Everton job as leverage to get a higher wages deal with us, then fair enough, up to a point.

I'm not that concerned about us being unable to find a replacement who is as good or better than Koeman. I have the utmost confidence in Reed and the board and their ability to choose the right candidate. I am grateful that Koeman has brought us success these past two seasons and I think that he could raise us still higher next season, but equally the calibre of manager we could now attract should be capable of that too. We are a very good proposition for an incoming ambitious manager and have furthered the careers of Koeman's predecessors. If his successor wishes to use us as a stepping stone to greater things, that can only happen if they raise the bar above what he achieved."

Had some great players over the years The Saints but never won a fuckin light. No wonder the fans are pissed....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Everton Mint on June 04, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Cant blame RK for leaving Soton for us... they are the ultimate selling club and he wouldnt take them any further.

They did quite well in the league but wont do anything in Europe (or if they did it would fuck up their PL campaign.) They went out early in the Europa last season and what is the point in qualifying only to bale out for the sake of the league ?

Welcome to EFC, Ronald, great decision to move on to the better Club.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 08:21:34 PM
Some absolute weapons on their forum.

From NICEANDFRIENDLY, yeah he seems it.

"One thing's for sure, it'll be ****ing hilarious watching Everton struggle again next season as we're off on our European tour.

Good riddance Ronald, you snake."

I can't believe Southampton fans are basing themselves as a big club based on the last TWO seasons.

Granted I will give it to them they are better than us at the moment, but the reason we finished 11th 2 years in a row was largely down to the man we had in charge.

The reason they finished above us was largely down to the man they had in charge, who we have just poached.

Why can't they see that?

Strange sense of entitlement from them at the minute, but I can expect it as they must be pissed losing their players and manager all the time.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 04, 2016, 08:21:44 PM
Love the fact that one Saints fan posted about our new youngster signing as a swipe saying 'welcome to the big time Ron.' What a dickhead
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 04, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
Bizarrely, I think it would be worthwhile to pay Monchi's release clause, sign him to a contract that starts in 2017-18, and give him the year off he wants.

Swerve Overmars.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Everton Mint on June 04, 2016, 08:23:54 PM
'Fraser Forster could follow Ronald Koeman out of St Mary’s and sign for Everton this summer...'

Getting a bit ahead of ourselves, but what a great start that would be - talk about building from a solid foundation. :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shogun on June 04, 2016, 08:25:44 PM
Wouldnt be against going big bucks for Forster.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cassius on June 04, 2016, 08:26:16 PM
I really do hate talk of 'who's the bigger club' and all that bollocks. Southampton have been the better and more consistent team over the last two seasons, but we're both at square one until the new season starts.

While I can understand Southampton fans being pissed that he's leaving, they can hardly claim he's leaving for a smaller club.

You could argue that he's leaving for a larger pay packet, however he's also leaving a club that's got bigger ambitions and that probably excites him just as much.

While we used to operate a sell to buy policy, it's clearly not like that anymore and Koeman can now implement a three year plan rather than operating season-to-season, not knowing who the club will keep or sell that summer.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 08:27:52 PM
He's good like but he's just signed a new six year extension.

Goalkeepers abroad will be a lot cheaper.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 08:28:43 PM
'Fraser Forster could follow Ronald Koeman out of St Mary’s and sign for Everton this summer...'

Getting a bit ahead of ourselves, but what a great start that would be - talk about building from a solid foundation. :)

I'd love it if, when he came here, his first bit of transfer business was Forster and VVD.

Just to further stick the knife into those deluded Southampton lot, really gone off their fans lately, used to not mind them either.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 04, 2016, 08:31:43 PM
1/16 now, so glad i got on at 1/10 ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 04, 2016, 08:38:17 PM
Haha a bit of a meltdown going on the Saints forum.

Sorry Saints fans. You challenged us to a dick-swinging contest but, I'm sorry to say, our man Fahrad is hung like Rico Strong and he's just poked Les Reed's nose out of joint.

Where's all the fuckin' likes for this you cunts?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 04, 2016, 08:44:35 PM
Some really interesting and really reassuring stuff been posted in here.

One of the things that's most comforting is that Koeman managed to turn around a period of poor form at Southampton - and rather than just revert to type once the pressure was off, he kept with the tactics that had turned it around. It does sound like 2015 was a generally poor year for them though, does anyone have any idea what went on there?

The only other concern that's popped up is that it sounds like he might have fell out favour with a few players (Tadic, Ward-Prowse) or struggled to motivate some players (Wanyama) to consistently perform. If anyone could allay the fears that he's going to fall out with everyone, that'd be great.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cassius on June 04, 2016, 08:47:44 PM
Just reading about Koeman's tactical approach and it all makes sense to me now.

One of the things I think some clubs don't manage well is hiring a new manager with a completely different playing style - it often takes time to implement and squads need an overhaul with new players coming in who are better suited to the new game plan. I think Stoke is a good example of this as it took them more than a season to get used to Mark Hughes, although that's paying off.

One of the reasons Roberto split opinion so much is that he almost had it right - there were lots of good things to enjoy about his team. However he wasn't flexible enough and failed because his philosophy was flawed.

So what it feels like Moshiri has done is to go and get someone who can plug the gaps in Roberto's style.

In Koeman, he's found someone who likes to build from the back, likes to maintain possession and pass the ball, while crucially also having a solid game plan without the ball. His teams like to press, to defend and take pride in keeping clean sheets. No longer will we constantly see wide players having the time and space to get crosses in. He's also not afraid of including youth players, and all of this makes me feel really positive.

I do wonder what this means for our current midfield - are the squad players mobile and dynamic enough to fit his system? A proper pre-season with a fit squad, able to last 90 minutes, will help. However I think there will need to be a number of recruits to suit his more intensive approach.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 04, 2016, 08:49:24 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/15aab6.jpg)

 :snigger:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 08:50:41 PM
Where's all the fuckin' likes for this you cunts?

I was gonna like that to be honest, as it was superbly worded, however, in my opinion, or at least in my head, Farhad Moshiri has a small penis. 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 04, 2016, 08:52:37 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/15aab6.jpg)

 :snigger:

Imagine if they get Emery.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 04, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
I'd like us to get that claisie lad

Not arsed about the keeper as he will be mad expensive and vvd the Same
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2016, 08:54:30 PM
I reckon we swerve signing any players from Southampton.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 04, 2016, 08:58:33 PM
Bizarrely, I think it would be worthwhile to pay Monchi's release clause, sign him to a contract that starts in 2017-18, and give him the year off he wants.

Swerve Overmars.

I totally agree.  I have the fervor of the converted.

Also, when I broached the Koeman subject with my Saints pal Friday night, he just posted the gif of the Shawshank warden blowing his brains out.  I enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 04, 2016, 08:58:44 PM
I reckon we swerve signing any players from Southampton.



Yeah they'd pull our pants down bend us over the table and rodger us senseless if we tried.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 04, 2016, 09:00:24 PM
Bizarrely, I think it would be worthwhile to pay Monchi's release clause, sign him to a contract that starts in 2017-18, and give him the year off he wants.

Swerve Overmars.
Definitely agree with the swerve Overmars shout.

It sounds like Koeman's greatest success has come when there's been a good support structure around him. Given that, how much control should we be willing to give him in the transfer market? At Southampton it sounds like it's a process of: Koeman identifying a weakness, the transfer committee suggesting some options, and Koeman saying who he wants out of these. I'm not sure how wise it would be to let him make hay until we have some structure in place. We don't even have a chief scout right now!

Also posting this comment from elsewhere I saw because it sounded interesting.

Quote
I particularly didn't like his distrust of the youth players, which seemed less a comment on their ability than on Koeman's inflexibility, and his insistence on subverting the scouting system by signing so many of "his" players. Sometimes, it seemed that there were two different recruitment systems in place: Pelle and Tadic (Koeman), Forster, Long, Gardos, Mane, Bertrand, Alderweireld (Reed/the club), Elia and Djuricic (Koeman); Clasie and Martina (Koeman), Van Dijk, Soares, Juanmi, Romeu (the club).

Absolutely no idea who Elia, Juricic or Martina are. They any good?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 04, 2016, 09:01:06 PM
Yeah they'd pull our pants down bend us over the table and rodger us senseless if we tried.

But we're fuckin' loaded.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 04, 2016, 09:07:39 PM
But we're fuckin' loaded.

We wouldn't be for long if we keep giving Southampton huge wodges of wonga.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 09:08:18 PM
I was gonna like that to be honest, as it was superbly worded, however, in my opinion, or at least in my head, Farhad Moshiri has a small penis. 

Come on man. I live for the likes.

One day I aspire to a positive Karma score on a par with @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 04, 2016, 09:09:00 PM
Come on man. I live for the likes.

One day I aspire to a positive Karma score on a par with @BlueDan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=703)

Hill: The 'Notification Whore' of NSNO
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 04, 2016, 09:09:41 PM
Oh, I think you mean @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) by the way Hill
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 09:10:48 PM
Oh, I think you mean @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) by the way Hill

Damn was hoping to get a quick edit in before anyone noticed. I don't know who blue dan is. Sorry blue dan.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 09:11:47 PM
Come on man. I live for the likes.

One day I aspire to a positive Karma score on a par with @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747)

You can have a like there for the honesty ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 04, 2016, 09:12:41 PM
Damn was hoping to get a quick edit in before anyone noticed. I don't know who blue dan is. Sorry blue dan.

Fuckin' rubbish.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Everton Mint on June 04, 2016, 09:14:17 PM
I guess a lot depends on their new manager. If they get a top man then their players will want to stay.. if not they might want to follow Koeman.

And the question also follows... will our top players be convinced to stay with Koeman ???
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 09:14:45 PM
I was gonna like that to be honest, as it was superbly worded, however, in my opinion, or at least in my head, Farhad Moshiri has a small penis

Big wallet though.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 09:15:47 PM
Big wallet though.

Indeed he does, I always wondered what that big bulge in his trousers was.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 04, 2016, 09:17:24 PM
I really am at that high optimistic/happy point at the moment where I am actually content discussing whether or not our owner has a massive cock.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Everton Mint on June 04, 2016, 09:47:07 PM
OK, what have the 46% of you got against Koeman then ?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 04, 2016, 09:52:27 PM
OK, what have the 46% of you got against Koeman then ?

Haha I know three years ago we took a gamble on a manager who had just got his team relegated, okay they won a cup. This time we are after a manager who was 3 points off a champions l league place, despite having his team decimated for the second season running.
And yet there seem to be a lot more of our posters moaning about him and his wages, as if his wages are anything to do with us. It's not his fault either if our club is daft enough to pay it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alex6691 on June 04, 2016, 09:52:40 PM
OK, what have the 46% of you got against Koeman then ?

Well for a start I'm not quite sure who has the bigger head. He, or Steve Bruce.
And for the sake of my sanity with the ever questioning of myself, I am out.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 04, 2016, 09:52:55 PM
OK, what have the 46% of you got against Koeman then ?

Nothing  really. I just wanted Emery more.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2016, 10:01:36 PM
OK, what have the 46% of you got against Koeman then ?

Nothing.

Just don't think he has the CV to make me think he can get us to where we want to be.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 04, 2016, 10:09:46 PM
OK, what have the 46% of you got against Koeman then ?
Nothing.

There were other candidates in the frame whom I thought were better.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 04, 2016, 10:11:31 PM
Nothing against him. I'm excited now. Just wanted Emery.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: BigJoe on June 04, 2016, 10:16:57 PM
Nothing against him either. Danny Murphy said he was too good for us so I'm happy !
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ell Capitan on June 04, 2016, 10:28:30 PM
Sorry to be a miserable bastard, but very little about Koeman excites me.

As a starting point, I'm generally sceptical about top level players who get parachuted in to top managerial positions by virtue of their name. Usually they turn out to not be up to scratch, with a small number of notable exceptions.

And you look at his managerial CV pre-Southampton and it's pretty patchy really. Nothing much to write home about.

He arrives at Southampton and across his tenure, several top players leave. It wasn't that long ago that Everton had a culture where players, by and large, rarely wanted to go. It leaves me concerned that our top youngsters will want to move on.

I'm also somewhat concerned about his record in signing top players. Our squad is in need of a bit of an overhaul and it's a bit of a risk having Koeman in charge of that.

And yes he's done well at Southampton. But he's hardly set the world on fire. 6th this season is decent, but it's hardly amazing when you consider the quality of the rest of the league and how teams like the RS, Chelsea and us were badly shite.

I also question his motives for the move. I get the sense he feels he has done about as much as he can do at Southampton, figures the only way from here is down, and doesnt want to taint what is a good record. A "sixth is our ceiling" mentality which I don't think anyone wants around Everton again. Whereas if he now moves to Everton, he's actually got a fairly easy job of improving us in the short term. If he gets us to, say, 7th next season, most people in football would point to that and say he's come in and done well.

But we all know that we should be pushing for much higher than that. Is he really someone that's going to transform us into a top 4 outfit? I'm sad to say I just don't see any evidence of that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 04, 2016, 10:31:42 PM
I don't think anyone's moaning too much about Koeman, he's just not the most exciting appointment. I'm sure all the fans will get behind him, it's not like there's some sort of agenda against him before he's even signed.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blue1948 on June 04, 2016, 10:37:40 PM
Just for the doubters ,what had Howard Kendall done before he came to us as manager ?
For once lads just think about it
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 04, 2016, 10:50:10 PM
Sorry to be a miserable bastard, but very little about Koeman excites me.

As a starting point, I'm generally sceptical about top level players who get parachuted in to top managerial positions by virtue of their name. Usually they turn out to not be up to scratch, with a small number of notable exceptions.

And you look at his managerial CV pre-Southampton and it's pretty patchy really. Nothing much to write home about.

He arrives at Southampton and across his tenure, several top players leave. It wasn't that long ago that Everton had a culture where players, by and large, rarely wanted to go. It leaves me concerned that our top youngsters will want to move on.

I'm also somewhat concerned about his record in signing top players. Our squad is in need of a bit of an overhaul and it's a bit of a risk having Koeman in charge of that.

And yes he's done well at Southampton. But he's hardly set the world on fire. 6th this season is decent, but it's hardly amazing when you consider the quality of the rest of the league and how teams like the RS, Chelsea and us were badly shite.

I also question his motives for the move. I get the sense he feels he has done about as much as he can do at Southampton, figures the only way from here is down, and doesnt want to taint what is a good record. A "sixth is our ceiling" mentality which I don't think anyone wants around Everton again. Whereas if he now moves to Everton, he's actually got a fairly easy job of improving us in the short term. If he gets us to, say, 7th next season, most people in football would point to that and say he's come in and done well.

But we all know that we should be pushing for much higher than that. Is he really someone that's going to transform us into a top 4 outfit? I'm sad to say I just don't see any evidence of that.

Well said Sir!
Plus he is ginger.

Just for the doubters ,what had Howard Kendall done before he came to us as manager ?
For once lads just think about it

Blasphemous comparing someone, who doesn't even know yet if he wants to come to us, to HK.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Stumpy on June 04, 2016, 10:52:40 PM
Koeman has been my number one choice since the writing was on the wall for Martinez.He took over a side that had been plundered and was one of the favourites for the drop.However he bought in some tidy players and they play decent football.They've been better than us over the last 2 seasons(though that's nothing to write home about) so if he is appointed then I'm looking forward to see what he can get out of this squad plus a few additions.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2016, 10:53:32 PM
Just for the doubters ,what had Howard Kendall done before he came to us as manager ?
For once lads just think about it

So on that logic we might as well give anyone the job?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: American Evertonian on June 04, 2016, 10:57:31 PM
I don't think anyone's moaning too much about Koeman, he's just not the most exciting appointment. I'm sure all the fans will get behind him, it's not like there's some sort of agenda against him before he's even signed.

Of the candidates left who do you think would spark the most excitement? Honestly I think the only one that would get people more excited would be Emery (of all remaining candidates)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
https://twitter.com/evertonarentwe/status/739123057441275905

Loving all the Twitter accounts trying to be ITK here. Really is brilliant stuff.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 04, 2016, 11:01:34 PM
https://twitter.com/evertonarentwe/status/739123057441275905

Loving all the Twitter accounts trying to be ITK here. Really is brilliant stuff.

Oh...I fell for that one then, bollocks.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 04, 2016, 11:03:58 PM
https://twitter.com/evertonarentwe/status/739123057441275905

Loving all the Twitter accounts trying to be ITK here. Really is brilliant stuff.

Bunch of proper gimps.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 04, 2016, 11:15:09 PM
I'm well on board with Koeman. Really looking forward to what his vision of the team is, and the players he wants to bring in.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 04, 2016, 11:19:37 PM
http://www.foxsports.nl/nieuws/artikel/1251454/ronald-koeman-uit-met-everton
Title: Koeman
Post by: Zoolander on June 04, 2016, 11:27:44 PM
http://www.foxsports.nl/nieuws/artikel/1251454/ronald-koeman-uit-met-everton
Translation:
agreement with Everton, but still waiting for a deal between the Toffees and his current employer Southampton.
Because the 53-year-old coach of the Saints has a contract until 2017, Everton will have to pay a ransom.

Allegedly brings Koeman Southampton 5 million euros. Everton are tremendous opportunities to invest in the squad. Since the Iranian-British businessman Farhad Moshiri calls the shots - February of this year - to reach the trees around Goodison Park look up into the sky.

disappointing
According to the Telegraph brother Erwin will be moved to Liverpool. The two also worked together at Southampton.

Everton experienced a disappointing season. The club was eleventh in the Premier League and lost the semi-final of the FA Cup. Shortly afterwards manager Roberto Martinez was fired.

Probably hit the Toffees striker Romelu Lukaku and defender John Stones lost, but Koeman not scared off to go into the promising scenario outlined at Everton.

The Dutchman was at an earlier stage in talks with Southampton about a contract extension, but that came to nothing. Frank de Boer, Ajax left, was also in the picture at Everton. (FOX Sports)



Reach for the fucking trees my friends
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 04, 2016, 11:29:16 PM
He's a relatively safe appointment but there is potential for him to do something great with us so I am optimistic.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 04, 2016, 11:31:35 PM
Nothing in his record suggests he's a manager destined for success I'd rather we'd taken a gamble on a young upcoming manager than a journeyman coach.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 04, 2016, 11:32:46 PM
http://www.foxsports.nl/nieuws/artikel/1251454/ronald-koeman-uit-met-everton

Are Southampton looking 4m compensation for his remaining one year contract? I thought they'd have matched our wage offer to test his love for Southampton. Seems every man, and club, has their price.

BLUE KOO it is then.

Cue all the "he wasn't my no 1 choice but we'll all have to get behind him now" posts.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 04, 2016, 11:32:55 PM
Nothing in his record suggests he's a manager destined for success I'd rather we'd taken a gamble on a young upcoming manager than a journeyman coach.

You defended Martinez sword in hand yet write Koeman off before he's even touched the pen to sign. You're an odd potato mate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 04, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
http://www.foxsports.nl/nieuws/artikel/1251454/ronald-koeman-uit-met-everton



Ronald Koeman has been personally agree with Everton, but still waiting for a deal between the Toffees and his current employer Southampton.
Because the 53-year-old coach of the Saints has a contract until 2017, Everton will have to pay a ransom.

Allegedly brings Koeman Southampton 5 million euros. Everton are tremendous opportunities to invest in the squad. Since the Iranian-British businessman Farhad Moshiri calls the shots - February of this year - to reach the trees around Goodison Park look up into the sky.





That's some translation that is.  :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Fynci on June 04, 2016, 11:38:28 PM
Cue all the "he wasn't my no 1 choice but we'll all have to get behind him now" posts.

Isn't that to be expected? I would have preferred Pellegrini or Emery but as with every Evertonian I'll be behind him!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 04, 2016, 11:41:01 PM
It's the first step towards establishing us back at the top.

Man City went through Mark Hughes, Roberto Mancini and Manuel Pellegrini before getting their hands on Guardiola - and their benefactors are many times richer than ours. I think we're starting from a better base with Koeman.

Welcome Big Ron Manager.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 04, 2016, 11:41:36 PM
It's the first step towards establishing us back at the top.

Man City went through Mark Hughes, Roberto Mancini and Manuel Pellegrini before getting their hands on Guardiola - and their benefactors are many times richer than ours.

Welcome Big Ron Manager.

good point that!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 04, 2016, 11:51:45 PM
You defended Martinez sword in hand yet write Koeman off before he's even touched the pen to sign. You're an odd potato mate.

Sorry for having an opinion.

What's got you excited about Koeman? I remember you were one of he posters who missed the 6th place trophy so much and dismissed Cup runs out of hand, but is that it?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 04, 2016, 11:54:49 PM
Sorry for having an opinion.

What's got you excited about Koeman? I remember you were one of he posters who missed the 6th place trophy so much and dismissed Cup runs out of hand, but is that it?

I just feel optimistic after it feeling pretty depressing under Martinez, it might be based on nothing much but there's something about Koeman having a Plan B when things go wrong. Southampton were also taken for a ride and had their good players taken from them but Koeman still improved them.

It may fall flat on its face with Everton but I just genuinely feel optimistic about Moshiri and Koeman. I've never seen Everton have genuine money and ambition so it's a great feeling.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 04, 2016, 11:56:07 PM
Sorry for having an opinion.

What's got you excited about Koeman? I remember you were one of he posters who missed the 6th place trophy so much and dismissed Cup runs out of hand, but is that it?

Let's face it though RoKo is gonna be better than RoMa isn't he!

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2016, 11:56:09 PM
Wish people would stop saying Koeman is getting written off. People are just voicing their reservations about him due to his jobs.

Perfectly fair assessment.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 05, 2016, 12:01:47 AM
Wish people would stop saying Koeman is getting written off. People are just voicing their reservations about him due to his jobs.

Perfectly fair assessment.

Aka you reckon he's gonna be shite! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 05, 2016, 12:04:10 AM
It's the first step towards establishing us back at the top.

Man City went through Mark Hughes, Roberto Mancini and Manuel Pellegrini before getting their hands on Guardiola - and their benefactors are many times richer than ours. I think we're starting from a better base with Koeman.

Welcome Big Ron Manager.

There is really nothing to suggest that Guardiola will be a success though. Been with 2 teams chock full of world class players and hasn't set the world alight at Bayern. Sure they've won the league with him but so he should do with those players, i reckon top 3 will be the best for them next season. I'm cautiously optimistic about Koeman, done very well at Southampton a much smaller budget than he's about to get. Looking forward to next season, it could be very interesting.....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 05, 2016, 12:07:51 AM
I just feel optimistic after it feeling pretty depressing under Martinez, it might be based on nothing much but there's something about Koeman having a Plan B when things go wrong. Southampton were also taken for a ride and had their good players taken from them but Koeman still improved them.

It may fall flat on its face with Everton but I just genuinely feel optimistic about Moshiri and Koeman. I've never seen Everton have genuine money and ambition so it's a great feeling.

i think this idea that he's in a constant state of rebuilding is being over played quiet a lot. Hes being given every penny back to spend on the team and they've all gone for top money. Last summer he only sold two players you'd consider first team regulars, which I'm sure a lot of teams do during any main window.

Time will tell how good he is but he's had plenty of money in the past and his record has at best been patchy. The one thing everyone has in common is they don't want him to fail.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Seahawk on June 05, 2016, 12:08:01 AM
You defended Martinez sword in hand yet write Koeman off before he's even touched the pen to sign. You're an odd potato mate.

Odd Potato Mate....Classic  :-)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 05, 2016, 12:09:59 AM
Let's face it though RoKo is gonna be better than RoMa isn't he!



Leave my Ma out of this you!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 05, 2016, 12:14:54 AM
i think this idea that he's in a constant state of rebuilding is being over played quiet a lot. Hes being given every penny back to spend on the team and they've all gone for top money. Last summer he only sold two players you'd consider first team regulars, which I'm sure a lot of teams do during any main window. 

Net spend of -£24 million over his two seasons compared to a net spend of +£26m under Poch and +£31m under Adkins. And yet the team has had their best two seasons in the Premier League era.

No one has done a better job than him over the last two years - except Ranieri and perhaps Pochettino.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2016, 12:16:28 AM
I think Koeman brings the best blend. He's not perfect, but neither was Pellegrini or De Boer or Emery. Each had their good points and their bad points.

With Koeman, we are getting stability. That's the first step that needs to be taken before progressing. He'll get us back to the upper echelons of the prem which is where we need to firstly be. The next year or two will be transition, but upwards (hopefully). Only the top, top managers have a consistent success rate, others seem to have their heydays, I think we are getting Koeman at the beginning of his. He is definitely upwardly mobile in his managerial career, and we now have a manager close to the finished article, as opposed to Martinez and Moyes who we got at the starting points of their careers.

Onwards and upwards. Start of something good I hope.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 05, 2016, 12:21:37 AM
Net spend of -£24 million over his two seasons compared to a net spend of +£26m under Poch and +£31m under Adkins. And yet the team has had their best two seasons in the Premier League era.

No one has done a better job than him over the last two years - except Ranieri and perhaps Pochettino.


Yeah I thought I'd read that wrong about his net spend but he's spent over £100m in two years on a team he inherited from mid table. The least you'd expect is an improvement on positions after that.

I really wouldn't class him as the 2-3 best manager over the last two years though, he's won nothing or even threatened to come close to winning something.

He's also seemingly put the blocks on introducing young players from their academy into the squad, which doesn't bode well for here.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 05, 2016, 12:27:16 AM
Lad in my local just said Mata will be Koemans first signing, hes bladdered like and stinks of spew and piss but i believe him, he winked with his good eye
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 05, 2016, 12:27:33 AM

Yeah I thought I'd read that wrong about his net spend but he's spent over £100m in two years on a team he inherited from mid table. The least you'd expect is an improvement on positions after that.

I really wouldn't class him as the 2-3 best manager over the last two years though, he's won nothing or even threatened to come close to winning something.

He's also seemingly put the blocks on introducing young players from their academy into the squad, which doesn't bode well for here.

He put the blocks on players who weren't up to it.

Unless you consciously want to have a quota for young players then that's how it's going to be (as it was under Moyes and Martinez).
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 12:29:55 AM
Lad in my local just said Mata will be Koemans first signing, hes bladdered like and stinks of spew and piss but i believe him, he winked with his good eye

Gotta love TheRam.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 05, 2016, 12:31:07 AM
I think hill nailed it there

Let's face facts, we need a substantial rebuild

Noone could walk into that side and be title contenders

Let koeman have a chance, he has success rebuilding and then see where we are
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 05, 2016, 12:31:19 AM
There will be some fume on here if De Boer replaces him at Southampton and they go on to finish above us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 05, 2016, 12:33:59 AM
He put the blocks on players who weren't up to it.

Unless you consciously want to have a quota for young players then that's how it's going to be (as it was under Moyes and Martinez).

Isn't that the model they work on at Southampton? Academy players into the team young o develop them and then sell for a big profit. He's failed on the score.

Maybe that's why they're seeming not bothered about him going? Not like they've put up much of a fight to keep him.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 05, 2016, 12:34:44 AM
Ram and a few others were raising understandable concerns in a reasonable way, and then Ross got involved and started chatting pyar shite as usual.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 12:37:05 AM
Ram and a few others were raising understandable concerns in a reasonable way, and then Ross got involved and started chatting pyar shite as usual.

Standard.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 05, 2016, 12:37:19 AM
Ram and a few others were raising understandable concerns in a reasonable way, and then Ross got involved and started chatting pyar shite as usual.

Always so nasty and personal with you.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 05, 2016, 12:40:08 AM
I think where it comes to taking managers and players off other teams who are still under contract, basically we can't moan if it happens to us in the future. We will like, but I'm sure we'll all get a handy little memory block when it comes to remembering Koeman gate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bacon sarnie on June 05, 2016, 12:41:53 AM
Always so nasty and personal with you.

Reads the Guardian mate.

Talking of which....."Should Koeman decide to succeed Martínez at Goodison Park, there is every chance he will be expected to work alongside a director of football. That appears likely to be Sevilla’s Monchi, who confirmed on Friday that he intends to leave the Europa League winners this summer.

“For about a month I noticed that something wasn’t right in my head,” he told SFC Radio. “I figured it was time to stop and make a change. My doubts then returned but late on Sunday I made ​​the decision [to leave]. Still, what I can say is that I won’t pay my release clause. I won’t leave Sevilla through the backdoor.”

Fucksakes.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 05, 2016, 12:44:55 AM
If you spend £100m, you should be winning the league.

Koeman out.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Haile GAZrselassie on June 05, 2016, 12:54:18 AM
2 bits of good news after the end of a 12 hour shift.

We've got a good manager in in plenty of time for him to start his work with a good pre season and there's a new hot bit of skirt started in the local.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 05, 2016, 12:55:01 AM
The Esk (who has been saying it will be Koeman since before Martinez was bunned) reckons there's a good chance it will be announced today.

Looking forward to banking my winnings.  :D
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 05, 2016, 12:56:10 AM
2 bits of good news after the end of a 12 hour shift.

We've got a good manager in in plenty of time for him to start his work with a good pre season and there's a new hot bit of skirt started in the local.

he's off on holiday (again) next week though
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Waltzer on June 05, 2016, 01:01:39 AM
There will be some fume on here if De Boer replaces him at Southampton and they go on to finish above us.
Not really, let De Boer cut his teeth at Southampton, if he's as good as his brother says we'll appoint him in a couple of years!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: American Evertonian on June 05, 2016, 01:03:17 AM
Not really, let De Boer cut his teeth at Southampton, if he's as good as his brother says we'll appoint him in a couple of years!

Southampton is a feeder club for top teams like us ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: van der Meyde on June 05, 2016, 01:07:34 AM
Isn't that the model they work on at Southampton? Academy players into the team young o develop them and then sell for a big profit. He's failed on the score.

Maybe that's why they're seeming not bothered about him going? Not like they've put up much of a fight to keep him.
It was, but in the past the youth players were getting their first team experience with Southampton in League 1, the Championship and in their first seasons in the Premier League.

There's no shame in not being good enough to get in a team that's finishing 6th, but at some point you're going to have to give the players their first team experience at another club.

If Koeman didn't think they were better than what he had, why should he play them?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 05, 2016, 01:09:42 AM
1/20 now, i reckon it might happen
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 01:12:01 AM
2 bits of good news after the end of a 12 hour shift.

We've got a good manager in in plenty of time for him to start his work with a good pre season and there's a new hot bit of skirt started in the local.

You've got more chance of shagging Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 05, 2016, 01:13:55 AM
Where's i8redshite? Some serious gloating needs to come from him
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Haile GAZrselassie on June 05, 2016, 01:14:34 AM
he's off on holiday (again) next week though

The players aren't due back till mid July though surely and no transfer activity likely to take place until after the euros.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 01:17:14 AM
Where's i8redshite? Some serious gloating needs to come from him

What, a fuckin fortnight late? He can get fucked if he thinks he's having that one.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sirblue57 on June 05, 2016, 01:17:19 AM
2 bits of good news after the end of a 12 hour shift.

We've got a good manager in in plenty of time for him to start his work with a good pre season and there's a new hot bit of skirt started in the local.

pics ffs....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Haile GAZrselassie on June 05, 2016, 01:17:49 AM
You've got more chance of shagging Koeman.

If he's on 120k a week instead of probably 120 quid I'll take my chance.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Haile GAZrselassie on June 05, 2016, 01:26:56 AM
pics ffs....


(https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2014/8/16/1408198681657/Ronald-Koeman-has-been-im-014.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bally on June 05, 2016, 01:27:12 AM
Well all this is very meh
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Haile GAZrselassie on June 05, 2016, 01:29:40 AM
@Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14)

Sort that out for me please babes!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 05, 2016, 01:39:19 AM
I loved him in my favourite film, the Wild Geese.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160604/877d9941711793e340df986153408367.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 05, 2016, 01:42:01 AM
This reads like another face-saving exercise from Southampton.

It also says they're targeting Emery as a replacement. Hope not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/04/ronald-koeman-agrees-to-become-everton-manager-as-southampton-tu/
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 05, 2016, 01:45:38 AM
@Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14)

Sort that out for me please babes!!

You're quoting skills are still impressive. Could have done with a bigger picture though. ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 05, 2016, 01:46:38 AM
What, a fuckin fortnight late? He can get fucked if he thinks he's having that one.

I was being ironic
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 05, 2016, 01:47:54 AM
This reads like another face-saving exercise from Southampton.

It also says they're targeting Emery as a replacement. Hope not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/04/ronald-koeman-agrees-to-become-everton-manager-as-southampton-tu/

be gutted
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2016, 01:48:11 AM
This reads like another face-saving exercise from Southampton.

It also says they're targeting Emery as a replacement. Hope not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/04/ronald-koeman-agrees-to-become-everton-manager-as-southampton-tu/

Why would Emery go there?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 05, 2016, 01:48:43 AM
he's off on holiday (again) next week though

Where do redheads go on holiday in the summer?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 05, 2016, 01:49:33 AM
Where do redheads go on holiday in the summer?

Scotland.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 05, 2016, 01:50:25 AM
Where do redheads go on holiday in the summer?

David Moyes used to get Everton to pay his brother to take everyone to Austria....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 05, 2016, 01:54:25 AM
Emery won't leave Sevilla for Soton, selling their best players every season. He already gets that at Sevilla, and finds it frustrating.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 05, 2016, 01:55:24 AM
David Moyes used to get Everton to pay his brother to take everyone to Austria....

A preseason in Austria is better than no preseason at all. Plus I used to love the pics of Ossie giving it the thumbs up when he's balls deep in snowmelt.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 05, 2016, 01:56:39 AM
A preseason in Austria is better than no preseason at all. Plus I used to love the pics of Ossie giving it the thumbs up when he's balls deep in snowmelt.

paying a couple of hundred grand to whallop some 19th tier Austrian side when you could go to Warrington for free...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 02:00:48 AM
paying a couple of hundred grand to whallop some 19th tier Austrian side when you could go to Warrington for free...

You don't go to Warrington for free lar, you get danger expenses for a start.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 05, 2016, 02:06:49 AM
I do want and expect Koeman to sit down and talk - face to face - with Big Rom before he goes on vacation.  Lay out his plan for the team, let each man feel the other out and have a think for a few weeks.  That's all.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Haile GAZrselassie on June 05, 2016, 02:09:04 AM
You're quoting skills are still impressive. Could have done with a bigger picture though. ;)

It was the picture I wanted sorted out you mongified Scottish twat!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Haile GAZrselassie on June 05, 2016, 02:11:31 AM
@The Analog Kid (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3157) you can shut the fuck up as well you mongified half bred scouse/Welsh cunt
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 05, 2016, 02:33:22 AM
It was the picture I wanted sorted out you mongified Scottish twat!!

Alright Nogzy.

So you fucked up twice in one post, impressive stuff. ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: minty on June 05, 2016, 02:35:33 AM
This reads like another face-saving exercise from Southampton.

It also says they're targeting Emery as a replacement. Hope not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/04/ronald-koeman-agrees-to-become-everton-manager-as-southampton-tu/

Doesn't make for good reading that he's only coming because he's being offered such a high salary.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 05, 2016, 02:56:02 AM
Fuck Emery.

We have Ron Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Haile GAZrselassie on June 05, 2016, 02:57:26 AM
David Moyes used to get Everton to pay his brother to take everyone to Austria....

God I hope I never have a hatred towards any of our ex managers as you do. Can I recommend petrol bombs??

You're from Norn Iron so I've no doubt you have the expertise!!😃
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Haile GAZrselassie on June 05, 2016, 03:02:16 AM
Alright Nogzy.

So you fucked up twice in one post, impressive stuff. ;)

You and @The Analog Kid (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3157) are both getting rhino stoppers soon!!

@CraigS1878 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2310) make no mistake!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 05, 2016, 03:05:25 AM
Of course he is coming for the money! Do you think he is an Evertonian? Get real. They are all in it for the money, unless guaranteed trophies are on offer which clearly is not the case with us. The way of the world.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 05, 2016, 03:08:13 AM
God I hope I never have a hatred towards any of our ex managers as you do. Can I recommend petrol bombs??

You're from Norn Iron so I've no doubt you have the expertise!!😃

I'm from NI and the upmarket term is Molotov Cocktails. Sounds much better.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cassius on June 05, 2016, 03:16:54 AM
Guessing Kuntman comes out as the nickname of choice by the usuals when we don't win our first match.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 05, 2016, 03:17:55 AM
Those are the kind of stats that inspire respect as a manager. The guy played mostly as a fucking defender! Genuine legend.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheTone on June 05, 2016, 03:19:11 AM
I loved him in my favourite film, the Wild Geese.

I also thought he was great as a kid in The Butcher Boy

(http://www.gmanreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/The-Butcher-Boy.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sixymack on June 05, 2016, 03:21:33 AM
If Koeman is confirmed.  What current Southampton players would you like to see come to everton?  i would like prowse and Forster.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 05, 2016, 03:24:51 AM
Guessing Kuntman comes out as the nickname of choice by the usuals when we don't win our first match.

You'll have to put a number behind it to distinguish, because there are so many of them around on matchday threads.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 03:25:55 AM
@The Analog Kid (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3157) you can shut the fuck up as well you mongified half bred scouse/Welsh cunt

In the blue corner.....The man who put the Don in Doncaster
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 05, 2016, 03:29:10 AM
Guessing Kuntman comes out as the nickname of choice by the usuals when we don't win our first match.
Fanta pubed kuntman
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Craig_1878 on June 05, 2016, 03:46:48 AM
In the blue corner.....The man who put the Don in Doncaster

And in the red corner, the man who puts the Anal in Analog
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 03:47:50 AM
And in the red corner, the man who puts the Anal in Analog

Superb effort that girlfriend.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 03:49:34 AM
...Mods, any chance I can change my username..?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shogun on June 05, 2016, 03:52:04 AM
...Mods, any chance I can change my username..?

I don't think The Anal Kid would be better
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 03:52:58 AM
I don't think The Anal Kid would be better

I was asking for a proper Mod. Thanks
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 05, 2016, 04:02:51 AM
I was asking for a proper Mod. Thanks
Saucer of milk for analog kid please :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shogun on June 05, 2016, 04:04:41 AM
I was asking for a proper Mod. Thanks

Nice karma mate
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 05, 2016, 04:09:46 AM
You and @The Analog Kid (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3157) are both getting rhino stoppers soon!!

@CraigS1878 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2310) make no mistake!

Haha!! You've even tagged the wrong Craig you clown.  lolol
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 04:25:25 AM
Nice karma mate

Two better than my best you cunt.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 04:25:51 AM
Haha!! You've even tagged the wrong Craig you clown.  lolol

Fuckin' ace.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alex6691 on June 05, 2016, 04:30:04 AM
Trying to work out if this bitching is all a joke or not..
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 04:40:22 AM
Trying to work out if this bitching is all a joke or not..

All in good taste. What d'yer think this is, GOT?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 05, 2016, 04:50:26 AM
Didn't realise Koeman had managed Kone-man before.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/04/ronald-koeman-reportedly-everton-terms-agreed-southampton
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alex6691 on June 05, 2016, 04:51:56 AM
All in good taste. What d'yer think this is, GOT?

They're are a few GOTesque posters to be fair. Not so much since Martinez was sacked though!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: dchans on June 05, 2016, 04:52:31 AM
Saw him score a free kick at the Nou Camp once from a ridiculous angle - somewhere between the corner of the penalty box and the corner flag!

Legend this guy, will do very well for us
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 05, 2016, 05:06:06 AM
http://toffeeweb.com/season/15-16/comment/editorial/32806.html

Little write up on him.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 05, 2016, 05:58:12 AM
http://toffeeweb.com/season/15-16/comment/editorial/32806.html

Little write up on him.

I enjoyed that, Cozzie 👍🏼
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: md49vd on June 05, 2016, 06:07:34 AM
scouts sent to the netherlands match, looks like jansen is a cert to replace lukaku and maybe wijnaldum to join as well
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 05, 2016, 06:18:50 AM
scouts sent to the netherlands match, looks like jansen is a cert to replace lukaku and maybe wijnaldum to join as well

Top sleuthing.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 05, 2016, 06:23:54 AM
scouts sent to the netherlands match, looks like jansen is a cert to replace lukaku and maybe wijnaldum to join as well

The keeper aswell maybe?
Title: Re: Koeman - to the winner go the soils
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 05, 2016, 06:45:06 AM
This was part of an article on players who achieved infamy at past Euros. But I couldn't help but like Koeman more for the reminder of  it, mostly because, in retrospect, he honestly admitted he didn't  regret doing it.

Gazza made the list, too, of course.

4. Ronald Koeman
The rivalry between Netherlands and Germany is perhaps the fiercest in the world. So when the two nations faced each other in the semifinal of Euro 88, tensions were high. After the Dutch came from behind to win 2-1 on their way to the final, where they would defeat Russia, they celebrated with some gusto. Particularly Ronald Koeman, who took German midfielder Olaf Thon's shirt and, well, pretended to wipe his backside with it. "I shouldn't have done it. But to say I regret it, no, not really," Koeman said.

from
http://www.espnfc.us/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2836591/gazza-at-euro-96-panenka-penalty-in-top-euro-players




Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 05, 2016, 03:13:10 PM
I shall really miss Roberto. Something truly phenomenal has left us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 05, 2016, 03:34:05 PM
This was part of an article on players who achieved infamy at past Euros. But I couldn't help but like Koeman more for the reminder of  it, mostly because, in retrospect, he honestly admitted he didn't  regret doing it.

Gazza made the list, too, of course.

4. Ronald Koeman
The rivalry between Netherlands and Germany is perhaps the fiercest in the world. So when the two nations faced each other in the semifinal of Euro 88, tensions were high. After the Dutch came from behind to win 2-1 on their way to the final, where they would defeat Russia, they celebrated with some gusto. Particularly Ronald Koeman, who took German midfielder Olaf Thon's shirt and, well, pretended to wipe his backside with it. "I shouldn't have done it. But to say I regret it, no, not really," Koeman said.

from
http://www.espnfc.us/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2836591/gazza-at-euro-96-panenka-penalty-in-top-euro-players





He's got it all; nice guy in front of the cameras, genuine legend that will command respect from the players. And, as the your post suggest; a bit of a snidey/cunty side. Love him already.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 05, 2016, 03:38:21 PM
I shall really miss Roberto. Something truly phenomenal has left us.
............I'll miss Roberto about as much as I miss ' Davey '.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 05, 2016, 04:21:56 PM
There is really nothing to suggest that Guardiola will be a success though. Been with 2 teams chock full of world class players and hasn't set the world alight at Bayern. Sure they've won the league with him but so he should do with those players, i reckon top 3 will be the best for them next season. I'm cautiously optimistic about Koeman, done very well at Southampton a much smaller budget than he's about to get. Looking forward to next season, it could be very interesting.....

I can't wait for the day when in 3 seasons winning 3 league titles, 2 cups, a European super cup, club World Cup and averaging 86 points (with 4 games less than we have...) is seen as not setting the world alight regardless of how good the team is.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 05, 2016, 04:58:39 PM
............I'll miss Roberto about as much as I miss ' Davey '.

Bit harsh. Davey left us in a very healthy state compared to where we were when he took over. He deserves respect at least for what he did with us. Roberto not so much.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: april on June 05, 2016, 05:01:53 PM

...Mods, any chance I can change my username..?
Yeah, it's about time you became Digital Man. Signals get crossed...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: eame on June 05, 2016, 05:14:41 PM
Bit harsh. Davey left us in a very healthy state compared to where we were when he took over. He deserves respect at least for what he did with us. Roberto not so much.

Agree until he starting trying to poach our players for way below their value and basically calling us a small club. He gets no respect off me! He was well paid for his time with us and won us jack shit!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trublue on June 05, 2016, 05:24:45 PM
Does anyone think Ronald realise's, how much of a big job he has?  Players already leaving and out of contract: Osman, Hibbert, Howard, Pienaar and Gibson. Then McGeady, Kone and Niaase not good enough. (The later maybe better after a preseason? I hope). Then we have Lukaku and most likely Stones want to leave.  Some of the Under 21's may step up to replace some of them, but that's ten players. OK some weren't playing often and only two of them are really first team regulars.

Surely we can't bring in ten new players and have a great start to the season?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Makis on June 05, 2016, 05:31:42 PM
Some of the youngsters should be promoted to the first team as you say, so I'd say more like 6-7 new players are required. After all, most of the players leaving were bit-part players anyways.

The problem is I can see the core of the team changing: GK- CB - CM - CF (one player for each position). Throw in an LM and another CF (or SS/CAM  type) and that's six players. I wouldn't say the situation is that bad after those additions and that's six new players.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 05, 2016, 05:35:15 PM
Bit harsh. Davey left us in a very healthy state compared to where we were when he took over. He deserves respect at least for what he did with us. Roberto not so much.

Martinez has left the club in a better state than Moyes did imo.

Look past the 11th place finish and you'll see a lot of good things that Martinez helped build.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 05, 2016, 05:44:26 PM
Bit harsh. Davey left us in a very healthy state compared to where we were when he took over. He deserves respect at least for what he did with us. Roberto not so much.
............... The manner of his leaving was disrespectful to the club ,having said that I still applauded him at the end of his final game.
Anyway all I said was I don't miss him !
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 05, 2016, 05:47:15 PM
Does anyone think Ronald realise's, how much of a big job he has?  Players already leaving and out of contract: Osman, Hibbert, Howard, Pienaar and Gibson. Then McGeady, Kone and Niaase not good enough. (The later maybe better after a preseason? I hope). Then we have Lukaku and most likely Stones want to leave.  Some of the Under 21's may step up to replace some of them, but that's ten players. OK some weren't playing often and only two of them are really first team regulars.

Surely we can't bring in ten new players and have a great start to the season?
.............we've got Galloway and Garbutt to come back but you're right it's a rebuilding job.
Just as well Koeman has that type of experience .
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 05:51:34 PM
.............we've got Galloway and Garbutt to come back but you're right it's a rebuilding job.
Just as well Koeman has that type of experience .

Galloway, Garbutt, Browning, Davies.... There's quite a few gems ready to go plus a few on the fringe.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ally2 on June 05, 2016, 05:56:13 PM

Martinez has left the club in a better state than Moyes did imo.

Look past the 11th place finish and you'll see a lot of good things that Martinez helped build.

Yeah the Christmas video was excellent for example
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ally2 on June 05, 2016, 05:59:31 PM

Some of the youngsters should be promoted to the first team as you say, so I'd say more like 6-7 new players are required. After all, most of the players leaving were bit-part players anyways.

The problem is I can see the core of the team changing: GK- CB - CM - CF (one player for each position). Throw in an LM and another CF (or SS/CAM  type) and that's six players. I wouldn't say the situation is that bad after those additions and that's six new players.

It is a big job for anyone. But I think Moshiri has gone in high for Koeman which is a smart move. Why mess about negotiating over the smaller details?  Just go in, demonstrate you mean business, explain the size of the job whilst being very clear what the vision is, then blow everyone out of the water with an offer they can't refuse.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ell Capitan on June 05, 2016, 06:05:07 PM
Yeah the Christmas video was excellent for example

And all the pictures he had put up around Goodison of our former successes. Love how they inspired the current squad.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 05, 2016, 06:12:53 PM
.............we've got Galloway and Garbutt to come back but you're right it's a rebuilding job.
Just as well Koeman has that type of experience .

Couldn't have got a better man, has his own web site, logo, everything.

http://koemanconstruction.weebly.com
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 05, 2016, 06:28:39 PM
I can't wait for the day when in 3 seasons winning 3 league titles, 2 cups, a European super cup, club World Cup and averaging 86 points (with 4 games less than we have...) is seen as not setting the world alight regardless of how good the team is.

He didn't win the Champions league, simple as that. That's what he was brought there for and he failed. He SHOULD have won it with that team, he had 3 attempts. That good enough for you?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 05, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Galloway, Garbutt, Browning, Davies.... There's quite a few gems ready to go plus a few on the fringe.
...........yes Browning too . Saw him in the Park End car park at the Norwich game posing for photos with fans.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 05, 2016, 07:20:56 PM
Does anyone think Ronald realise's, how much of a big job he has?  Players already leaving and out of contract: Osman, Hibbert, Howard, Pienaar and Gibson. Then McGeady, Kone and Niaase not good enough. (The later maybe better after a preseason? I hope). Then we have Lukaku and most likely Stones want to leave.  Some of the Under 21's may step up to replace some of them, but that's ten players. OK some weren't playing often and only two of them are really first team regulars.

Surely we can't bring in ten new players and have a great start to the season?

I think contrary to received wisdom, a manager coming to build his own team and squad might actually prefer that a few of our older fringe players are moving on, especially if there's significant funds there to do it. It makes it a lot easier for him to imprint his own ideas on the team if we're adding a few young players and a few of his own transfers into the squad, and it gives him fewer difficult conversations to have (ie we're letting you go).

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 05, 2016, 07:23:18 PM
It's not all boxed off, neat and tidy just yet people.




http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ronald-koeman-latest-agent-denies-deal-between-southampton-and-everton-has-been-agreed-a7066221.html

 :-\
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 07:36:35 PM
Fuckin' agents.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 05, 2016, 07:41:40 PM
Fuckin' agents.

(http://i.imgur.com/CLbL0iC.gif)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 05, 2016, 07:58:38 PM
He didn't win the Champions league, simple as that. That's what he was brought there for and he failed. He SHOULD have won it with that team, he had 3 attempts. That good enough for you?

Would he have expected to win it in those 3 years? Yes no doubt about it.

But it's not as though it's easy to win it so gets classed as a failure because they didn't. Bayern have won it once in 15 years and twice in the last 40, and they are an absolute powerhouse and one of the all time great clubs so not like they have dominated and it stopped when he came in.

They absolutely dominated that league 3 years in a row, hardly lost any games but it was the manner in which they won and how much better they were than anyone else which is the legacy he has left. The people at Bayern expected a champions league, but they still see his time as a success because of the methods he employed and they believe he lifted the players tactical awareness and mindset to another level and left them in an unbelievable place.

I agree city is his hardest job yet because of the competitiveness of the league and the team isn't in the same place as Bayern when he took over.

But he is a brilliant coach, we will see that this season and for sure be his biggest test yet.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 05, 2016, 08:21:25 PM
Would he have expected to win it in those 3 years? Yes no doubt about it.

But it's not as though it's easy to win it so gets classed as a failure because they didn't. Bayern have won it once in 15 years and twice in the last 40, and they are an absolute powerhouse and one of the all time great clubs so not like they have dominated and it stopped when he came in.

They absolutely dominated that league 3 years in a row, hardly lost any games but it was the manner in which they won and how much better they were than anyone else which is the legacy he has left. The people at Bayern expected a champions league, but they still see his time as a success because of the methods he employed and they believe he lifted the players tactical awareness and mindset to another level and left them in an unbelievable place.

I agree city is his hardest job yet because of the competitiveness of the league and the team isn't in the same place as Bayern when he took over.

But he is a brilliant coach, we will see that this season and for sure be his biggest test yet.

I agree that he has done well, i just said he hadn't set the world alight. I would have expected most good managers to win the German league with the squad he took over. My opinion is that they're squad is second only to Barca so really they should have at least gotten to a Champions League final in the 3 years he's been there but i think they've been knocked out 3 times a row in the semi's.

What i'm not sure about is if he is a world class manager and we will find that out this season.

I get the feeling they'll be top 3 at absolute best and that would still (for now) leave him in the good manager bracket but of course this is all speculation, opinion and guess work.

Anyway i'm much more bothered about how we perform this coming season!! Hopefully well, couldn't be much worse though to be fair
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 05, 2016, 08:50:29 PM
Betting suspended on sky bet
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2016, 08:55:48 PM
Betting suspended on sky bet

How many matches does he miss?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 08:59:17 PM
How many matches does he miss?

Fuckin' Yanks
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sirblue57 on June 05, 2016, 09:07:46 PM
Martinez has left the club in a better state than Moyes did imo.

Look past the 11th place finish and you'll see a lot of good things that Martinez helped build.

WHAT THE FUCK ?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2016, 09:08:55 PM
WHAT THE FUCK ?


We have better players than when Moyes left.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sirblue57 on June 05, 2016, 09:15:06 PM
We have better players than when Moyes left.

again, WHAT.THE.FUCK.

yeah, we Lukaku, del, etc, but the team is a fucking shambles, confidence shit, morale, well ...and don't get me started on the defence.

yeah, much fucking better........this anti Moyes agenda is fucking pathetic, yes, he did a shit thing leaving the way he did etc, but be big enough to give him credit for the good things he did, which were immensely greater than Martinez.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2016, 09:17:19 PM
again, WHAT.THE.FUCK.

yeah, we Lukaku, del, etc, but the team is a fucking shambles, confidence shit, morale, well ...and don't get me started on the defence.

yeah, much fucking better........this anti Moyes agenda is fucking pathetic, yes, he did a shit thing leaving the way he did etc, but be big enough to give him credit for the good things he did, which were immensely greater than Martinez.



Martinez couldn't manage, that was his main problem and why we struggled. This will be rectified with Koeman coming in. We have better players now than when Moyes left, and we have the capacity to move on to better things.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2016, 09:17:39 PM
Fuckin' Yanks

Have a like lol
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 05, 2016, 09:18:26 PM
again, WHAT.THE.FUCK.

yeah, we Lukaku, del, etc, but the team is a fucking shambles, confidence shit, morale, well ...and don't get me started on the defence.

yeah, much fucking better........this anti Moyes agenda is fucking pathetic, yes, he did a shit thing leaving the way he did etc, but be big enough to give him credit for the good things he did, which were immensely greater than Martinez.



I feel like you might be over-punctuating.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 05, 2016, 09:21:22 PM
I feel like you might be over-punctuating.

Shatner syndrome.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 05, 2016, 09:29:49 PM
Shatner syndrome.


Shatner's Bassoon?



Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 05, 2016, 09:44:17 PM
again, WHAT.THE.FUCK.

yeah, we Lukaku, del, etc, but the team is a fucking shambles, confidence shit, morale, well ...and don't get me started on the defence.

yeah, much fucking better........this anti Moyes agenda is fucking pathetic, yes, he did a shit thing leaving the way he did etc, but be big enough to give him credit for the good things he did, which were immensely greater than Martinez.



Fucking calm down mate.

Engage the brain before you smash the keyboard to bits.

I'll explain.

Moyes left an ageing squad with not a lot of sell on value. From the squad he left only the likes of Coleman, Baines and Felliani could've commanded a good transfer fee.

Look at what Martinez left. Lukaku, stones, and Barkley can all command massive transfer fees.

Moyes left a strike force of Jelavic and Anichebe. Martinez leaves Lukaku.

Moyes left a midfield of Gibson, Osman and Felliani. Martinez leaves McCarthy, Barry, Cleverley and Besic.

Moyes left us with one winger. Martinez leaves us with Mirallas, del and Lennon.

We are better all across the park than when Moyes left us.

Then you take into account the glut of talented youngsters we have on the verge of breaking through. Again, this has a lot to do with Martinez and the importance he placed on youth and his determination to create a path towards the first team for the young lads.

I'm not talking about the overall jobs they done here. Im talking about what they left behind.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 05, 2016, 09:44:18 PM
We have better players than when Moyes left.

Well to be honest that's the least he could do after spending multi millions and making us shit from what was a good set of players he took over in the first place.

3 cheers for bobby!

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sirblue57 on June 05, 2016, 10:27:36 PM
Fucking calm down mate.

Engage the brain before you smash the keyboard to bits.

I'll explain.

Moyes left an ageing squad with not a lot of sell on value. From the squad he left only the likes of Coleman, Baines and Felliani could've commanded a good transfer fee.

Look at what Martinez left. Lukaku, stones, and Barkley can all command massive transfer fees.

Moyes left a strike force of Jelavic and Anichebe. Martinez leaves Lukaku.

Moyes left a midfield of Gibson, Osman and Felliani. Martinez leaves McCarthy, Barry, Cleverley and Besic.

Moyes left us with one winger. Martinez leaves us with Mirallas, del and Lennon.

We are better all across the park than when Moyes left us.

Then you take into account the glut of talented youngsters we have on the verge of breaking through. Again, this has a lot to do with Martinez and the importance he placed on youth and his determination to create a path towards the first team for the young lads.

I'm not talking about the overall jobs they done here. Im talking about what they left behind.

Try it yourself.  Stones,miraless and barkley were already here. Delafeou and Lennon I agree. Still think he did less with better resources.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ell Capitan on June 05, 2016, 10:40:49 PM
I'd say our squad has more depth now, but less quality than when Moyes left.

Keeper: We've haven't got a proper one now.
Defence: We've lost Distin, Baines may be on the decline (debatable), Coleman's regressed, Jags is old, and Stones has been mismanaged to a degree Moyes couldn't have managed if he tried, let's hope the next manager can get him back on track if he doesn't decide to fuck off. We've brought in Mori who is a useless pile of wank. I can't emphasize this enough: Martinez took one of the best defences in club football and made it an absolute laughing stock.
Midfield: we've lost Fellaini, Pienaar and Osman haven't been adequately replaced. Besic and Cleverly are mid-table standard, Barry was a good signing but probably needs replacing in a year. Del and Lennon have both been decent though neither as good as a properly handled Mirallas could've been. The only bright spot is a couple of youngsters coming through but I'm reluctant to place too much hope on 90 minutes against a relegated Norwich, and it took Martinez being sacked anyway for them to get a start.
Attack: we've got Lukaku, but probably only for a couple more weeks. After that it's Niasse and Kone. Both considerably more shite than Naismith but for some reason we sold him.

As I say, more depth but less quality. You look at the squad Martinez inherited and we had every chance of pushing for top 4, which we did.

You look at our squad now and top 4 seems fucking miles off.


Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 05, 2016, 10:43:51 PM
Twitter talk about Koeman being done and Sky being outside Goodison for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 05, 2016, 10:53:51 PM
Twitter talk about Koeman being done and Sky being outside Goodison for what it's worth.

Not seeing anything about it but I hope you're right.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2016, 10:57:27 PM
Well to be honest that's the least he could do after spending multi millions and making us shit from what was a good set of players he took over in the first place.

3 cheers for bobby!



The point was that he left us in a better position player wise.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: cantoffee on June 05, 2016, 11:04:40 PM
Have to say I disagree that we are in a better place.

If people are saying they hope Koeman comes in and establishes us as a top 6 side for the next manager then we are not in a better place.

We were comfortably a top 7 side when Martinez took over so we have clearly regressed.

I agree in some areas we are in a better place and can push on, but overall we are essentially looking to return to where we were when Martinez took over.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2016, 11:08:50 PM
Have to say I disagree that we are in a better place.

If people are saying they hope Koeman comes in and establishes us as a top 6 side for the next manager then we are not in a better place.

We were comfortably a top 7 side when Martinez took over so we have clearly regressed.

I agree in some areas we are in a better place and can push on, but overall we are essentially looking to return to where we were when Martinez took over.

Martinez caused us to regress with his footballing philosophy which clearly the players didn't buy into and eventually gave up on.

But we have a good foundation to move on and grow now. Martinez wasn't 100% bad, he did a lot of good things too.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 05, 2016, 11:15:32 PM
Twitter talk about Koeman being done and Sky being outside Goodison for what it's worth.

get down and check lid
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 05, 2016, 11:21:27 PM
Martinez caused us to regress with his footballing philosophy which clearly the players didn't buy into and eventually gave up on.

But we have a good foundation to move on and grow now. Martinez wasn't 100% bad, he did a lot of good things too.

No he didn't really.

He pulled a stunner who had her beer goggles on. He bought her a couple of cracking drinks and a few shit ones. And then didn't know how to fuck her!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2016, 11:23:24 PM
No he didn't really.

He pulled a stunner who had her beer goggles on. He bought her a couple of cracking drinks and a few shit ones. And then didn't know how to fuck her!

Well, whatever our opinions are, it doesn't really matter. What matters now is pushing on and hopefully Mr Koeman will do a fantastic job.

I feel that he has the best traits of Moyes and Martinez and has the firm foundation of defence with the positive attributes of attack.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 05, 2016, 11:24:37 PM
Not seeing anything about it but I hope you're right.

too many tweets posting people's names and addresses out to see anything about Koeman like
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ally2 on June 05, 2016, 11:26:48 PM
Let's have a Moyes vs Martinez debate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 05, 2016, 11:27:14 PM
Well, whatever our opinions are, it doesn't really matter. What matters now is pushing on and hopefully Mr Koeman will do a fantastic job.

I feel that he has the best traits of Moyes and Martinez and has the firm foundation of defence with the positive attributes of attack.

I hope your right mate. If that's the case and he is a mix of the 2 then we would have a dam fine manager on our hands.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 05, 2016, 11:27:15 PM
too many tweets posting people's names and addresses out to see anything about Koeman like

Yeah, loads of Brazilians.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 05, 2016, 11:28:10 PM
get down and check lid

Be arsed mate sat in coronation park with a shandy.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: md49vd on June 05, 2016, 11:31:33 PM
nothing will be revealed on a sunday, business trading has to close by 4pm by uk law
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 05, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
This write up on him makes me feel all the more better about getting him.

https://rjamesconway.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/koeman-would-usher-in-a-new-era-of-success-for-everton/
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2016, 11:38:17 PM
This write up on him makes me feel all the more better about getting him.

https://rjamesconway.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/koeman-would-usher-in-a-new-era-of-success-for-everton/

That suggests he does have the defence of Moyes and attacking of Martinez that I mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 05, 2016, 11:39:19 PM
nothing will be revealed on a sunday, business trading has to close by 4pm by uk law

That's were you are wrong. I've got my cock out
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 05, 2016, 11:39:52 PM
Ain't that just some blogger?

Wouldn't really take any notice of that tbh.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 05, 2016, 11:39:59 PM
That suggests he does have the defence of Moyes and attacking of Martinez that I mentioned earlier.

Hopefully we have finally found the right blend.

We may have a season similar to Martinez first for us where he kept the foundations of the Moyes defence before he ultimately fucked it up.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 05, 2016, 11:40:48 PM
Ain't that just some blogger?

Wouldn't really take any notice of that tbh.

Yeah, but he makes some pretty good points, and gives the same reason as to why I think we went for him.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ally2 on June 05, 2016, 11:41:16 PM
An obvious question might be to think about how our first 14 or so compare to Southampton's. That would give us an idea of what we could expect reasonably. Then factor in any losses and additions to our squad.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: cantoffee on June 05, 2016, 11:51:09 PM
Martinez caused us to regress with his footballing philosophy which clearly the players didn't buy into and eventually gave up on.

But we have a good foundation to move on and grow now. Martinez wasn't 100% bad, he did a lot of good things too.

I agree he did a lot of good.

Us essentially swapping Fellaini in for Lukaku was incredible business and we have some good young players.

However, I feel Barkley and Stones would have progressed similarly under a lot of managers. We have some great talent but we have huge holes in the team to be addressed.

Additionally you have poor morale, low confidence, and players who've now played in a terrible system with poor tactical discipline for years. Who knows, maybe the players will acclimatize to a new manager and his more organised tactics quickly but they may also take time to adjust or continue with the poor habits they've developed over the last three years.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 05, 2016, 11:52:55 PM
Cameras setting up is most likely the Premier League Show that is broadcast everywhere except the UK. They do an outside broadcast from a "north west" ground most shows so it's probably just Everton's turn this weekend
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 05, 2016, 11:55:39 PM
I think a lot of teams are going to be taking points off each other next season, so there's definitely a chance to jump into the Top 6 with not all that high a points total.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 05, 2016, 11:56:18 PM
Fucking calm down mate.

Engage the brain before you smash the keyboard to bits.


Hahaha, behave John.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2016, 12:04:15 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-consider-scott-dann-transfer-11430156

Ffs
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2016, 12:08:31 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-consider-scott-dann-transfer-11430156

Ffs
That's so last season
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 06, 2016, 12:08:32 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-consider-scott-dann-transfer-11430156

Ffs

Speculation, I doubt Koeman has any solid transfer targets as yet. He's busy securing his future.

As for Stones, he would be mad to leave given that a former world class defender is on his way in to coach the team. If there's anyone who can undo Martinez's influence on Stones, it's Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 12:08:45 AM
Let's have a Moyes vs Martinez debate.

Nah, they're both dead to us, aren't they?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 06, 2016, 12:09:17 AM

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-consider-scott-dann-transfer-11430156

Ffs

Unless he's gotten younger since last summer, it's a no from me.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2016, 12:12:07 AM
Speculation, I doubt Koeman has any solid transfer targets as yet. He's busy securing his future.

As for Stones, he would be mad to leave given that a former world class defender is on his way in to coach the team. If there's anyone who can undo Martinez's influence on Stones, it's Koeman.

Can't think of anyone better for Stones to learn from than Koeman
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: arteta4spain on June 06, 2016, 12:12:11 AM
nothing will be revealed on a sunday, business trading has to close by 4pm by uk law

I was thinking this today funnily enough!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 06, 2016, 12:20:05 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ9NmAjCqxY
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 06, 2016, 12:55:30 AM
Speculation, I doubt Koeman has any solid transfer targets as yet. He's busy securing his future.

As for Stones, he would be mad to leave given that a former world class defender is on his way in to coach the team. If there's anyone who can undo Martinez's influence on Stones, it's Koeman.

I agree it could help in his decision and would be good for him.

But if he has the chance to go and play for mourinho who sets up the teams in an unbelievable shape and helped players like John Terry reach world class levels or play for guardiola where the defenders spend more time in the opposition half playing football than they do defending than as good a role model koeman would be it wouldn't necessarily have the same sway it could.

Aside from the money and opportunities in the now if he joins either of those 2, they are arguably the 2 best managers in the world which would be a massive pull for him.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 06, 2016, 01:02:23 AM
I agree it could help in his decision and would be good for him.

But if he has the chance to go and play for mourinho who sets up the teams in an unbelievable shape and helped players like John Terry reach world class levels or play for guardiola where the defenders spend more time in the opposition half playing football than they do defending than as good a role model koeman would be it wouldn't necessarily have the same sway it could.

Aside from the money and opportunities in the now if he joins either of those 2, they are arguably the 2 best managers in the world which would be a massive pull for him.

Be interesting to see if Guardiola can pull that off in the Prem.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thomas on June 06, 2016, 01:25:29 AM
What a completely boring appointment this is going to be. Mediocre even. It Reminds me of when we appointed Walter Smith because he had won a mediocre league like the Dutch league. Koeman at Southampton is basically Moyes when he was with us  isn't he - he's made Southampton into the plucky old Everton we used to be.

I would of bought a season ticket if we had got Emery, might not bother now. I wanted a manager who could take us into Europe having won a European trophy.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 01:27:48 AM
What a completely boring appointment this is going to be. Mediocre even. It Reminds me of when we appointed Walter Smith because he had won a mediocre league like the Dutch league. Koeman at Southampton is basically Moyes when he was with us  isn't he - he's made Southampton into the plucky old Everton we used to be.

I would of bought a season ticket if we had got Emery, might not bother now. I wanted a manager who could take us into Europe having won a European trophy.

This coming from a man that wanted Leigh Griffiths as a striker.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thomas on June 06, 2016, 01:30:09 AM
This coming from a man that wanted Leigh Griffiths as a striker.

Seen in Celtic terms with a celtic fans eye, yes. I was sentimental.  Seen in general terms, no. Not good enough.

But keeping to the issue of who would be a good manager, Koeman is basically a rehash of Walter Smith and David Moyes isn't he? Failed at Valencia and the winner of a mediocre league and has made a team into a plucky little outfit without winning anything, sound familiar?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2016, 01:32:11 AM
What a completely boring appointment this is going to be. Mediocre even. It Reminds me of when we appointed Walter Smith because he had won a mediocre league like the Dutch league. Koeman at Southampton is basically Moyes when he was with us  isn't he - he's made Southampton into the plucky old Everton we used to be.

I would of bought a season ticket if we had got Emery, might not bother now. I wanted a manager who could take us into Europe having won a European trophy.
Not at all like moyes

For a start he has beaten top sides,home and away

This post is exactly the same as the one you did about four days ago

Comparing koeman to Smith is fucking ridiculous

Whoever comes in will need to rebuild, give a man who has Rebuilt twice a chance
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2016, 01:32:54 AM
What a completely boring appointment this is going to be. Mediocre even. It Reminds me of when we appointed Walter Smith because he had won a mediocre league like the Dutch league. Koeman at Southampton is basically Moyes when he was with us  isn't he - he's made Southampton into the plucky old Everton we used to be.

I would of bought a season ticket if we had got Emery, might not bother now. I wanted a manager who could take us into Europe having won a European trophy.

He beat a number of the top teams, including battering Arsenal, so he's nothing like Moyes.

6th with Soton is a greater achievement than 6th with Everton in the Moyes years. Then it was the top 4 cut off from everyone, behind that us/Villa/Spurs/RS, and the rest of the league was appalling. So finishing 5th to 8th was normal. Getting Southampton to 7th and 6th in a much more competitive, fluctuating league is better achievement than Moyes' (apart from when he got us CL).
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thomas on June 06, 2016, 01:34:17 AM
Not at all like moyes

For a start he has beaten top sides,home and away

This post is exactly the same as the one you did about four days ago

Comparing koeman to Smith is fucking ridiculous

Whoever comes in will need to rebuild, give a man who has Rebuilt twice a chance

Why is it ridiculous? Smith had respect for winning mediocre leagues. Koeman has respect for the same reason.

He failed at a big job at Valencia and ditched and fell out with big players. He then found his level like Moyes did, again developing them,like Moyes did here, with Southampton by making them a plucky little team. How well did they do in domestic cups?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 06, 2016, 01:35:06 AM
What a completely boring appointment this is going to be. Mediocre even. It Reminds me of when we appointed Walter Smith because he had won a mediocre league like the Dutch league. Koeman at Southampton is basically Moyes when he was with us  isn't he - he's made Southampton into the plucky old Everton we used to be.

I would of bought a season ticket if we had got Emery, might not bother now. I wanted a manager who could take us into Europe having won a European trophy.

Koeman is a winner. Emery is very much an unknown. He can't even speak English.

With Koeman, we are getting a blend between the good bits of Moyes and the good bits of Martinez. Look at Southampton's goals for and against column for last season for example. Scored as many as us (joint 6th highest scorers), and had the joint 3rd best defence in the league.

He will bring discipline back to the club, as well as being a big name in football.

He is not Moyes, clearly his goals for columns say that. He's not Martinez either as he knows how to set up a defence.

The more I think about it, and analyse who he is, the more I am convinced this is the perfect appointment for where we are right now, and for the future.

I'm very excited for next season if this comes off.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thomas on June 06, 2016, 01:35:30 AM
He beat a number of the top teams, including battering Arsenal, so he's nothing like Moyes.

6th with Soton is a greater achievement than 6th with Everton in the Moyes years. Then it was the top 4 cut off from everyone, behind that us/Villa/Spurs/RS, and the rest of the league was appalling. So finishing 5th to 8th was normal. Getting Southampton to 7th and 6th in a much more competitive, fluctuating league is better achievement than Moyes' (apart from when he got us CL).

Fair enough, i just expected with a new chairman and new budge we could of made a huge statement and got the winner of 3 straight EL's. Instead we have a safe choice. Boring.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 06, 2016, 01:35:30 AM
But keeping to the issue of who would be a good manager, Koeman is basically a rehash of Walter Smith and David Moyes isn't he? Failed at Valencia and the winner of a mediocre league and has made a team into a plucky little outfit without winning anything, sound familiar?
Sound familiar? Yes - it sounds like the same boring drum you've been banging for the last month, writing him off before he's even signed FFS.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2016, 01:35:44 AM
Why is it ridiculous? Smith had respect for winning mediocre leagues. Koeman has respect for the same reason.

He failed at a big job at Valencia and ditched and fell out with big players. He then found his level like Moyes did, again developing them,like Moyes did here, with Southampton by making them a plucky little team. How well did they do in domestic cups?

Everyone fails at Valencia mate. They expect to be winning or challenging for the league, when they don't have the players, the infrastructure or the finances to be anywhere near winning the league.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shogun on June 06, 2016, 01:36:04 AM
The Koeman and Moyes comparison is somewhat short sighted. Just because Koeman has finished in the top 7 for two consecutive years with an unfashionable club doesn't mean he's anything like Moyes who showed over the course of about a decade that he couldn't take Everton any further than that.

Besides, Koeman already has wins away to Chelsea, Man United and Arsenal under his belt. :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 06, 2016, 01:37:44 AM
they are both ginger to be fair.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thomas on June 06, 2016, 01:37:47 AM
Sound familiar? Yes - it sounds like the same boring drum you've been banging for the last month, writing him off before he's even signed FFS.

I think its boring your going the status quo, and even worse you being incorrect because I've hardly been on here the last month.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 06, 2016, 01:39:21 AM
Fair enough, i just expected with a new chairman and new budge we could of made a huge statement and got the winner of 3 straight EL's. Instead we have a safe choice. Boring.

Would Emery be a huge statement though?

Whose name in world football is better known?

Who used to be a world class player and a winner throughout his entire career?

Who has experience in more than one league and country?

Who can actually speak English?

I'd have Pellegrini ahead of Emery even. He's a totally unknown quantity outside of Seville.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: robertdrumm1954 on June 06, 2016, 01:39:23 AM
At the end of day lads Koeman is not the Everton manager so it's all ballix.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thomas on June 06, 2016, 01:39:55 AM
The Koeman and Moyes comparison is somewhat short sighted. Just because Koeman has finished in the top 7 for two consecutive years with an unfashionable club doesn't mean he's anything like Moyes who showed over the course of about a decade that he couldn't take Everton any further than that.

Besides, Koeman already has wins away to Chelsea, Man United and Arsenal under his belt. :)

How is it when what i am saying is complete clear fact, that many of you cannot see it?

Moyes - Turns teams into plucky mid table also rans.
Koeman - fails in a big job (although i grant Ajax comes with pressure),wins mediocre leagues and developed 'plucky' Southampton.
= Clear paralells

Walter Smith - Got the job based on winning a mediocre league with Rangers.
Koeman - Won mediocre leagues, failed at Valencia when the standard was higher.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: toffee_scot on June 06, 2016, 01:41:20 AM
I sincerely doubt that Koeman would employ the 'glass-ceiling knives-to-gunfights' mentality that Moyes did.

Not only is he a step up from Martinez, but he should be a step up from Moyes too.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thomas on June 06, 2016, 01:44:45 AM
To be fair in comparison to having to put up with the 'unveiling' of Brendan Rogers or Ronnie Deila at Celtic, I'd accept Koeman a lot more easily.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 06, 2016, 01:46:34 AM
Yeah, but Brenda will easily win you the title in Scotland. In my step sons pet hamster could do that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 01:49:52 AM
Seen in Celtic terms with a celtic fans eye, yes. I was sentimental.  Seen in general terms, no. Not good enough.

But keeping to the issue of who would be a good manager, Koeman is basically a rehash of Walter Smith and David Moyes isn't he? Failed at Valencia and the winner of a mediocre league and has made a team into a plucky little outfit without winning anything, sound familiar?

No good being sentimental, otherwise the likes of Bily would have stayed. To tar Koeman with the same brush as Smith is unreal, one league he managed in, the same league Griffiths did well in.. A fuckin' Sunday one.

Koeman ain't as bad as some are making out.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plowman2 on June 06, 2016, 01:50:12 AM
Really hope we dont end up kicking ourselves if Pellegrini goes to Soton and they get to the CL.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thomas on June 06, 2016, 01:53:36 AM
Yeah, but Brenda will easily win you the title in Scotland. In my step sons pet hamster could do that.

Celtic fans demand the treble + progress in the CL
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 01:55:45 AM
Can't do comparisons with that league. It's fuckin' rubbish.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thomas on June 06, 2016, 01:59:50 AM
Can't do comparisons with that league. It's fuckin' rubbish.

I am not, I am saying compared to Celtics choices in managers, Everton's have been heaven. Thats the simplicity of my point.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ally2 on June 06, 2016, 02:04:50 AM
I'm not getting into this until we announce someone. There remain several good reasons why he still might decide to stay at Southampton. There hasn't been any substance to any of the stories of him coming here yet in my opinion.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 06, 2016, 02:11:35 AM
Would Emery be a huge statement though?

Whose name in world football is better known?

Who used to be a world class player and a winner throughout his entire career?

Who has experience in more than one league and country?

Who can actually speak English?

I'd have Pellegrini ahead of Emery even. He's a totally unknown quantity outside of Seville.

Emery really would be statement over Koeman.

Koemans a journey man coach bumbling from job to job every few years never doing anything of note. Emery is far from that and has achieved more already in his career than Koeman has or likely ever will.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 06, 2016, 02:14:29 AM
Would Emery be a huge statement though?
Bigger than Koeman

Quote
Whose name in world football is better known?
Koeman as player, Emery as a manager

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Who used to be a world class player and a winner throughout his entire career?
Who gives a fuck?

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Who has experience in more than one league and country?
Koeman

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Who can actually speak English?
Both
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 06, 2016, 02:15:45 AM
Emery really would be statement over Koeman.

Koemans a journey man coach bumbling from job to job every few years never doing anything of note. Emery is far from that and has achieved more already in his career than Koeman has or likely ever will.

The three UEFA cup wins is extraordinary, for sure. However, it seems that as Martinez had lost the dressing room, one of the chief priorities of Morishi was to instill discipline again. A manager who doesn't speak a word of English is going to find that extremely difficult to do, which is one reason I think he has gone for Koeman.

Koeman's journey has been greatly different to Emery's, but it has certainly been more expansive. He has far more experience, and most importantly, already knows the prem. For the first time in ages, we are going for the near finished article as opposed to an up and coming, which frankly, Emery would be in this league.

I don't think you can say one is better than the other, you certainly cannot speak for the future, but right now, we need a Koeman more than an Emery.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Waltzer on June 06, 2016, 02:15:59 AM
How is it when what i am saying is complete clear fact, that many of you cannot see it?

Moyes - Turns teams into plucky mid table also rans.
Koeman - fails in a big job (although i grant Ajax comes with pressure),wins mediocre leagues and developed 'plucky' Southampton.
= Clear paralells

Walter Smith - Got the job based on winning a mediocre league with Rangers.
Koeman - Won mediocre leagues, failed at Valencia when the standard was higher.
Struggle with your comparison really especially Walter smith. Yes he didn't do well, but I think Pep would struggle to go through what he did at the time and come out with any credit. So to have a pop based on that stint is harsh.
I think what Koeman did last year is miraculous.
Out of interest who would you have liked? Pellegrini, who spent a fortune and finished 4th despite having the best squad in the league by a distance or Emery who didn't win an away league game all season? I think it's how you quantify success and failure, I'd say Pellegrini has been more of a failure of late compared to Koeman
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 06, 2016, 02:17:21 AM
Emery is above our station at the moment. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 06, 2016, 02:17:48 AM
Celtic fans demand the treble + progress in the CL

Progress in the CL will always be difficult no matter who's in that job. I'd say the treble demands are only there due to the loss of Rangers as a Scottish force.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 06, 2016, 02:17:48 AM
Really hope we dont end up kicking ourselves if Pellegrini goes to Soton and they get to the CL.

Yep, still kicking myself over Bobby Robson here.  ::)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2016, 02:23:56 AM
In the immediate future, there's absolutely nothing wrong with getting us back to 6th. It would mean we're back in Europe, with hopefully a stronger, more expensive and more valuable squad, with a possible ground move on the horizon. That would be an extremely strong position.

I'd love us to jump into the Top 4 next season, but even with Emery that would be very difficult. So I have no issue with Koeman hopefully getting us back to 5th/6th next season, and maybe a cup win. It's unlikely to be a longterm appointment either way, so if Koeman's able to achieve what he did at Southampton with us in 2/3 years, we'd then be in a much stronger position to go for an elite manager, and have a long term, sustained chance at Top 4.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Waltzer on June 06, 2016, 02:24:22 AM
Emery really would be statement over Koeman.

Koemans a journey man coach bumbling from job to job every few years never doing anything of note. Emery is far from that and has achieved more already in his career than Koeman has or likely ever will.
Emery is apparently interested in every job in England but doesn't get any, got turned down by west ham last summer too. Plus his 1 stint outside of Spain ended disastrously, and I appreciate his European record is great but 5th, 5th and now 7th and getting humped in the champions league isn't really improving is it?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Danny on June 06, 2016, 02:29:09 AM
In the immediate future, there's absolutely nothing wrong with getting us back to 6th. It would mean we're back in Europe, with hopefully a stronger, more expensive and more valuable squad, with a possible ground move on the horizon. That would be an extremely strong position.

I'd love us to jump into the Top 4 next season, but even with Emery that would be very difficult. So I have no issue with Koeman hopefully getting us back to 5th/6th next season, and maybe a cup win. It's unlikely to be a longterm appointment either way, so if Koeman's able to achieve what he did at Southampton with us in 2/3 years, we'd then be in a much stronger position to go for an elite manager, and have a long term, sustained chance at Top 4.

I think you're spot on there, in the immediate future we really need the new stadium to solidify us as a permanent top 8 team, until that happens imo it'd be just as easy for us to fall off and become a Villa.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 06, 2016, 02:32:01 AM
I think you're spot on there, in the immediate future we really need the new stadium to solidify us as a permanent top 8 team, until that happens imo it'd be just as easy for us to fall off and become a Villa.

Exactly, people think we should be winning everything already. It's a process. It will take time. Even City had to build up before they won anything after getting their billions. We need to do this gradually, and transition otherwise we'll lose what the club is too. Like City have.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 06, 2016, 02:49:19 AM
The three UEFA cup wins is extraordinary, for sure. However, it seems that as Martinez had lost the dressing room, one of the chief priorities of Morishi was to instill discipline again. A manager who doesn't speak a word of English is going to find that extremely difficult to do, which is one reason I think he has gone for Koeman.

Koeman's journey has been greatly different to Emery's, but it has certainly been more expansive. He has far more experience, and most importantly, already knows the prem. For the first time in ages, we are going for the near finished article as opposed to an up and coming, which frankly, Emery would be in this league.

I don't think you can say one is better than the other, you certainly cannot speak for the future, but right now, we need a Koeman more than an Emery.

Emery speaks English apparently, maybe not enough to be confident alone during press conferences but seemingly enough to communicate with his players.

He was also the man Valencia turned to when Koeman almost got them relegated and had players threatening legal action to get away from the club because of the manager.

As for the idea of knowing the league I'm sure he'd cope okay without the distraction of European football this season. He's clearly a talented coach and as they say the cream always rises to the top. We've got a chance to get him or at least try and get him but for some reason the new fella has decided he'll throw everything at Koeman who's got a questionable record without many pluses.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 06, 2016, 03:09:16 AM
A few here really need to do their research on Koeman's time at Valencia.  Actually, a little of research on the club itself before, during, and after Koeman's spell.  Emery was next in, and out, too.  Batshit crazy football club.  Pun intended, and appropriate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 06, 2016, 03:15:25 AM
At Valencia he appeared to lose the dressing room.

Fair enough. It can happen to anyone and does not necessarily reflect badly on the manager.

But there has been a lot of chat about him falling out with a few players at Southampton too.

Is this a cause for concern?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 06, 2016, 03:17:32 AM
I think at Southsmpton it's been players who have got a bit too egotistical and not been team players judging from the Southampton forums - apparently Wanyama has been a right twat
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 06, 2016, 03:22:45 AM
Exactly, people think we should be winning everything already. It's a process. It will take time. Even City had to build up before they won anything after getting their billions. We need to do this gradually, and transition otherwise we'll lose what the club is too. Like City have.

Why should this be a gradual process? This is the squad that people were saying should have been challenging for the CL at least last season and would have if it wasn't for the manager. Nothing's changed on that score Blargs, and he's supposed to have a £100m to add to it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2016, 03:37:39 AM
At Valencia he appeared to lose the dressing room.

Fair enough. It can happen to anyone and does not necessarily reflect badly on the manager.

But there has been a lot of chat about him falling out with a few players at Southampton too.

Is this a cause for concern?

He's openly criticised players a few time, I've noted. Not that that's a bad thing necessarily, just an observation about his style. Van Dijk has also said that Koeman's 'tough love' has improved him markedly as a player.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 06, 2016, 03:38:11 AM
Rumors of his imminent appointment have done wonders for Koeman's standing in the poll.

He seemed to be bouncing between about 55 percent against him to almost even, and now he's over 55 percent for him.

Whoever broke this rumor might have a bright future in electoral politics.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 06, 2016, 03:44:33 AM
He's openly criticised players a few time, I've noted. Not that that's a bad thing necessarily, just an observation about his style. Van Dijk has also said that Koeman's 'tough love' has improved him markedly as a player.

It's not necessarily a bad thing; but I'm reading reports of him giving players (youngsters) a dressing down in the changing rooms, damaging their confidence and turning other players against him!

But on the other hand I get the sense a lot of their players have ego problems. Wanyama for instance seems to think he's worthy of a top team when he really isn't. In which case they maybe need busting down a peg or two.

I get the sense he might be a bit of a cunt in an interpersonal sense. But you don't have to be nice if you win matches. We'll see I guess.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 06, 2016, 04:50:28 AM
Gosh, never was a man's faults so minutely analysed as this before he has even arrived. Most or all of it is probably total bollocks, but it is better than the interminable who will replace Roberto. As always with Everton fans he will be praised, condemned in equal measures from the beginning. Probably be a poll in April whether or not he should be sacked. Good job no one else reads or takes seriously what is on here! All good fun.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2016, 04:56:48 AM
At Valencia he appeared to lose the dressing room.

Fair enough. It can happen to anyone and does not necessarily reflect badly on the manager.

But there has been a lot of chat about him falling out with a few players at Southampton too.

Is this a cause for concern?

I've seen picture of him hugging the players towards the end of the season.

Don't know how much you can read into that like.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 06, 2016, 05:23:33 AM
Why should this be a gradual process? This is the squad that people were saying should have been challenging for the CL at least last season and would have if it wasn't for the manager. Nothing's changed on that score Blargs, and he's supposed to have a £100m to add to it.

We should have been challenging, especially given how the season unfolded, but doesn't mean we should have definitely achieved it. The manager should have had us in that area of the table and if we were we'd have backed him, instead we were closer to the bottom 5 than top 5....

But things generally don't just happen overnight. City were a mid table side when mansour took over, they spent a couple of hundred million and finished 8th. They spent another couple of hundred million and finished 5th. They spent again and came 3rd and won the cup. The following season they won the league. And it's only last year 4 seasons after that title win that they made it to the knockout stages of the champions league.

Their finances were massive both in transfers and wages, plenty badly spent granted but they developed each season and ultimately got to the top. But even with their money it wasn't a case of spend 200m and get into the champions league let alone win the league straight away.

There is no problem with aiming for the top 4 next season, but if we finished 6th and got into Europe it's a step in the right direction and building each season to get back with the elite teams. If koeman can only get us to the first step and had us top 6 each season, then if moshiri is as ambitious as we are led to believe and going to finance getting us back to the elite then we replace him with someone that can take us on as Spurs have done several times until they've found the one that was capable of it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 06, 2016, 05:33:04 AM
We should have been challenging, especially given how the season unfolded, but doesn't mean we should have definitely achieved it. The manager should have had us in that area of the table and if we were we'd have backed him, instead we were closer to the bottom 5 than top 5....

But things generally don't just happen overnight. City were a mid table side when mansour took over, they spent a couple of hundred million and finished 8th. They spent another couple of hundred million and finished 5th. They spent again and came 3rd and won the cup. The following season they won the league. And it's only last year 4 seasons after that title win that they made it to the knockout stages of the champions league.

Their finances were massive both in transfers and wages, plenty badly spent granted but they developed each season and ultimately got to the top. But even with their money it wasn't a case of spend 200m and get into the champions league let alone win the league straight away.

There is no problem with aiming for the top 4 next season, but if we finished 6th and got into Europe it's a step in the right direction and building each season to get back with the elite teams. If koeman can only get us to the first step and had us top 6 each season, then if moshiri is as ambitious as we are led to believe and going to finance getting us back to the elite then we replace him with someone that can take us on as Spurs have done several times until they've found the one that was capable of it.

If the core of the squad that should have challenged for the championship and is (as should be) held together plus, plus influx of the rumoured £100m worth of players (with addition to any substantial sales), what's the minimum you'd find acceptable next season Rhys?

And I'm not just talking about an advance on playing style or tactics obviously because Leicester have just won the league on kick and rush football with two bouncers at the back.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 06, 2016, 05:38:17 AM
Why should this be a gradual process? This is the squad that people were saying should have been challenging for the CL at least last season and would have if it wasn't for the manager. Nothing's changed on that score Blargs, and he's supposed to have a £100m to add to it.

It will take a bit of time because we will have a huge turnover of players and staff this summer. Probably our biggest turnover ever. It may click from day one and be all great, but chances are it will take time to bed down, especially as the Euros are an unwelcome nuisance this summer which will make pre season harder than normal. Hopefully any new players we do get have their countries knocked out early so we can get them in and playing together.

But anyway, we can certainly chase the CL places, maybe get a good cup run down too, but I think it will be the season after we'll be over the bulk of the transitioning.

But we'll see. I'm certainly happy with Koeman if he's the man, and the caliber of manager we've been linked with this time is clearly better.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 06, 2016, 05:45:08 AM
Bigger than Koeman
Koeman as player, Emery as a manager
Who gives a fuck?
Koeman
Both


Not convinced he is a bigger statement, In some ways maybe, in others not.

See above.

Koeman was a winner as a player, a big winner. He's won in his managerial career too, and is still hungry for more. Success has been consistent throughout his career, so it is important. Emery has done very well in the past three years. Perhaps he would do well here, who knows?

Koeman's experience in other leagues is also a plus. Emery really only knows Spanish football well.

Is Emery fluent in English? All the reports I've seen, he barely knows many words. I wonder why West Ham didn't go for him last summer?

They are probably on a par, both have pros and cons. I'm just not enthused with Emery as he seems flavor of the moment and I don't know a great deal more about him.

We shall see what happens...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ever100 on June 06, 2016, 06:44:09 AM
It will take a bit of time because we will have a huge turnover of players and staff this summer. Probably our biggest turnover ever. It may click from day one and be all great, but chances are it will take time to bed down, especially as the Euros are an unwelcome nuisance this summer which will make pre season harder than normal. Hopefully any new players we do get have their countries knocked out early so we can get them in and playing together.

But anyway, we can certainly chase the CL places, maybe get a good cup run down too, but I think it will be the season after we'll be over the bulk of the transitioning.

But we'll see. I'm certainly happy with Koeman if he's the man, and the caliber of manager we've been linked with this time is clearly better.

Not sure why this is the biggest turnover ever? Granted we have some (squad) players out of contract or getting older but, harsh as it seems, they either move on or move into coaching. Pienaar, Hibbert and Osman are examples of the coaching route, whilst the likes of Gibson and McGeady are ones to move on. They all haven't played that much for us lately, so not actually affecting the first team. That could mean that building the squad equates to demoting a few current first teamers to the rank of squad players (kick up the arse for those that haven't been at the required standard). That said, if we are comparing saints team with ours then imo, IF, everyone was fit and had the same 'coach' overseeing them, only 2 saints players would actually get into our team (bearing in mind that they are so much better than us).

Robles (replace with Forster)

Coleman
Stones (Van Dijk is not as good as John)
Jagielka
Baines

McCarthy
Barry (replace with Wanyama, only to be quicker to the threat and allow James to be freed up)

Delefeou
Barkley
Mirallas

Lukaku

People will talk about Tadic, Mane and Pelle or Long (wasn't he linked when DM was manager?), but don't think they improve the team.

We already have the players who gave us our highest prem points total, we just need the coach to improve on that.
Koeman will sort defence, Stones (I hope) would become even better with proper direction etct bla bla.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 06, 2016, 07:24:13 AM
Gosh, never was a man's faults so minutely analysed as this before he has even arrived. Most or all of it is probably total bollocks, but it is better than the interminable who will replace Roberto. As always with Everton fans he will be praised, condemned in equal measures from the beginning. Probably be a poll in April whether or not he should be sacked. Good job no one else reads or takes seriously what is on here! All good fun.



Ha, we more or less all know that. We're all hungry for success despite the money aspect. Anything that you say, even if we're skint or not, will be ignored because you're almost as stupid as me. Onward and upwards. That's spitting feathers. My apologies. :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Heisenberg on June 06, 2016, 07:28:06 AM
I'm surprised niasse doesn't get much of a mention in the deadwood near clearing bracket. Him/Martinez was the equivelent of farting in a taxi on the way out.

I'm confident with the funds he will do good. Very confident actually. I see a europa finish next season. Can't wait for it to start
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 06, 2016, 07:42:41 AM
No one knows. He's a genuine mystery man Niasse. If Ron comes in? You never know, he might just meet our disappointment as Joe Royles scouting might, too.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 06, 2016, 01:26:59 PM
A few points.

1) I don't think we getting Koeman. Why hasn't it been announced. This saga is dragging on and on and seems no closer than it was a week ago. I expect someone else to be confirmed soon that nobody had on the radar. It's the Moshiri way.

2) people expecting us to be challenging for top 4 need to have a long hard look in the mirror. Investment by Moshiri is great but it doesn't catapult in into the elite. 6-7 clubs ahead of us have more money than us. This investment has only allowed us to  play a a little catch up but we way behind in terms of development and growth. It will take 4-5 seasons before we genuine top 4 club.  And by then a billionaire might be not rich enough anymore.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2016, 02:34:41 PM

A few points.

1) I don't think we getting Koeman. Why hasn't it been announced. This saga is dragging on and on and seems no closer than it was a week ago. I expect someone else to be confirmed soon that nobody had on the radar. It's the Moshiri way.

Sorry mate, I think you're talking utter rubbish here. The guys been on holiday and is only just back in the uk a few days. Then there's talks with him, his representatives and Southampton. This isn't a quick and easy process, and there's never this much 'smoke without fire'!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2016, 02:43:21 PM
Its basically all done isn't it, the local Southampton paper, their equivalent to the echo has launched a rather scathing attack on Koeman today, its quite funny to read.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 06, 2016, 02:52:56 PM
If the core of the squad that should have challenged for the championship and is (as should be) held together plus, plus influx of the rumoured £100m worth of players (with addition to any substantial sales), what's the minimum you'd find acceptable next season Rhys?

And I'm not just talking about an advance on playing style or tactics obviously because Leicester have just won the league on kick and rush football with two bouncers at the back.

Saying should have challenged for the championship is wide of the mark, could have ended up in a title challenge is different from should have been competing. We aren't of that level in a normal season.

Acceptable season is difficult to say at this point as a lot depends on how the money is spent and what the squad looks like in August. But right now if we spent the money ok enough, lost rom maybe stones, regardless id say acceptable as getting back around the top 6 and competing for Europe in the league. We should be aiming to win a cup...but impossible to say less than a semi final is unacceptable because you don't know what draws you get but I hope he goes for them and understands what it means to our fans to try and win something finally and not do a Martinez at Swansea and basically hang out a white flag in one.

I think the aims should be to finish in the top 4 in win a cup. But given you have pep in to revitalise city, conte in to get Chelsea back on track, Klopp 9 months in and chance to have a full pre season, wenger seemingly spending it isn't going to be anything like as open as last year in my opinion. So aim for that, but being around the EL places in the league would be a step in the right direction.

PS I know you said advance on tactics ignore that but at the same time you can't ignore it because if that's awful and we finish 6th but doesn't seem a long term answer the concerns don't necessarily go away. Likewise if tactically we look great and finish 9th but you can see us kicking on doesn't mean should get sacked.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 06, 2016, 02:57:37 PM
The deal for Koeman has been agreed in principle for days. Southampton have been delaying the closure to save face and make it look like they attempted to keep him/played hardball with us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 03:03:53 PM
Southampton must hate Merseyside as much as Manchester these days.

First we (council) win the battle to use our port, rather than theirs, for cruises to use as a calling point/set off point, then the shite nick all their players, then quickly ruin them, though they did seem to cope ok. Now we're in the process of stealing their manager. Ah well!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TrevorSteven on June 06, 2016, 03:25:20 PM
A few points.

1) I don't think we getting Koeman. Why hasn't it been announced. This saga is dragging on and on and seems no closer than it was a week ago. I expect someone else to be confirmed soon that nobody had on the radar. It's the Moshiri way.

2) people expecting us to be challenging for top 4 need to have a long hard look in the mirror. Investment by Moshiri is great but it doesn't catapult in into the elite. 6-7 clubs ahead of us have more money than us. This investment has only allowed us to  play a a little catch up but we way behind in terms of development and growth. It will take 4-5 seasons before we genuine top 4 club.  And by then a billionaire might be not rich enough anymore.

1. I am hundred percent sure that Koeman gonna be our next manager. Media always get to know what happens and here we were linked with Moyes, Emery, Pellegrini, De Boer etc - all of the other links has gone quiet. The reason why you feel it is dragging on is that media got the information so fast that even though it is settled it still is a lot of formalities to undo.

2. I really find a hard time understanding this view. I see a lot of people write that we must give time. Hey - isnt that why you guys wanted Martinez´head on a plate? We ended up 11th when fans expected us to be in the top 4. Everybody saying that Martinez had the best squad in all time and now they are saying that Koeman needs to build up the squad. WTF!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 06, 2016, 03:25:59 PM
Just broke on the yellow bar saying compensation is almost agreed.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 06, 2016, 03:26:16 PM
£5M
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 06, 2016, 03:26:40 PM
He still fits the bracket of won fuck all as a Manager . Yes he has done OK with Southampton but its hardly a stand out appointment . I don't think we are in crisis as the players downed tools and made Everton look far worse than it actually was . Results did not represent the state of the squad he will have to work with . No cup runs and out of the Europa in their 2nd game . Plenty to be cautious about .
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 06, 2016, 03:34:26 PM
He still fits the bracket of won fuck all as a Manager . Yes he has done OK with Southampton but its hardly a stand out appointment . I don't think we are in crisis as the players downed tools and made Everton look far worse than it actually was . Results did not represent the state of the squad he will have to work with . No cup runs and out of the Europa in their 2nd game . Plenty to be cautious about .

He's won 8 trophies as manager. 3 league titles and 5 cups
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2016, 03:35:57 PM
He's won 8 trophies as manager. 3 league titles and 5 cups
Of all the managers managing in the prem he is the fifth most successful
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 06, 2016, 03:36:15 PM
Its basically all done isn't it, the local Southampton paper, their equivalent to the echo has launched a rather scathing attack on Koeman today, its quite funny to read.

That's the most optimistic piece I've seen regarding us getting Koeman, and that he'll do well at Everton. Bless their bitter little hearts.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 06, 2016, 03:41:56 PM
It will take a bit of time because we will have a huge turnover of players and staff this summer. Probably our biggest turnover ever. It may click from day one and be all great, but chances are it will take time to bed down, especially as the Euros are an unwelcome nuisance this summer which will make pre season harder than normal. Hopefully any new players we do get have their countries knocked out early so we can get them in and playing together.

But anyway, we can certainly chase the CL places, maybe get a good cup run down too, but I think it will be the season after we'll be over the bulk of the transitioning.

But we'll see. I'm certainly happy with Koeman if he's the man, and the caliber of manager we've been linked with this time is clearly better.

But if he's never coached, used or relied upon any of these squad players we're shedding how can it be a problem if he's being given £100m to replace them?

Also the idea of the staff needing time to settle, how's this work when clubs change managers mid season and then get a sudden improvement? Look at the shite for instance they replaced Rodgers with Klopp mid season and then the team got to two finals playing a different style althogther than what it was used to. Klopp and Koemans salary is the same so surely we should be able to expect a huge up surge next season given the advantage Koeman will have with a preseason and transfer window and the fact this squad should have been challenging supposedly?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 06, 2016, 03:42:17 PM
He's won 8 trophies as manager. 3 league titles and 5 cups

I was thinking Prem . Many discounted winning the Dutch title in the De Boer argument . Ajax , AZ and Valencia weren't great but like I say there is enough reason for caution . I don't mind him but he has had enough poor runs as a Manager so lets hope he gets off to flyer .
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 06, 2016, 03:43:09 PM
I think people need to start to realise our squad wasn't "the best in 30 years" and that the players aren't going enough to be challenging for champs league/the league.

It may just be that we bought into the utter drivel spouted by the manager.
Now, after he has failed miserably (and he did Ross), in the cold light of day you can look at the squad and think maybe he was bragging everybody (and maybe helped his downfall).
No keeper. An injured/way past his best left back with no cover. No left flank at all in fact. A kid failing to live up to his potential. A handful of right wingers that wouldn't make the starting 11 for the top 6.

We have a right back that can only play in 1 system. A decent heart of a defence. 2 old man in the middle (1 we see 1 we don't) and 2 lads who have gaping holes in their game.

1 world class striker.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2016, 03:44:50 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10305348/ronald-koeman-closing-on-everton-switch-from-southampton-sky-sources

5 million compo
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2016, 03:45:05 PM
I was thinking Prem . Many discounted winning the Dutch title in the De Boer argument . Ajax , AZ and Valencia weren't great but like I say there is enough reason for caution . I don't mind him but he has had enough poor runs as a Manager so lets hope he gets off to flyer .
With any manager there's reason for caution. That's the risk you take

For me, moshiri appears to have made him first choice and appears to have got him

That's a good start, let's hope it works
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: stirlingblue on June 06, 2016, 03:45:11 PM
Southampton conceded 41 goals to our 55 last season.

If nothing else, I'll be glad to see us improve defensively after the last two years.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 03:52:29 PM
With any manager there's reason for caution. That's the risk you take

For me, moshiri appears to have made him first choice and appears to have got him

That's a good start, let's hope it works

Yep. Look at Mourinho's second stint at Chelsea, ended fairly suddenly and bitterly. I still think him and Guardiola have a lot to do at their clubs over the coming years.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
1)He needs to either get Lukaku to shut up and stay, or get a great fee for him and replace him with two very good forwards.

2)Also of huge importance is getting the players super-fit, well-drilled in the art of pressing, defending as a team, and attacking and defending at set-piece situations.

3)He needs to be ambitious in the transfer market, identify his targets early, and allow our (probable) DOF to do his stuff.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2016, 04:01:48 PM
With any manager there's reason for caution. That's the risk you take

For me, moshiri appears to have made him first choice and appears to have got him

That's a good start, let's hope it works

This is spot on, reports suggest he was Moshiri's number 1 target from the off and he basically wouldn't take no for an answer.

This bodes well for us, he knows what he wants and goes out and gets it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 04:03:26 PM
I can imagine Moshiri casually transferring 5 million from his bank on his mobile, whilst sat in Costa just off Regent Street
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Fynci on June 06, 2016, 04:13:11 PM
I can imagine Moshiri casually transferring 5 million from his bank on his mobile, whilst sat in Costa just off Regent Street

Most liked comment of the week. I'm calling it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 04:14:54 PM
Most liked comment of the week. I'm calling it.

Not if @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) has his way!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TrevorSteven on June 06, 2016, 04:14:59 PM
That's the most optimistic piece I've seen regarding us getting Koeman, and that he'll do well at Everton. Bless their bitter little hearts.

Link?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 06, 2016, 04:26:59 PM
Most liked comment of the week. I'm calling it.

It will be criminal if I don't get most liked post for my 'The Koeman Show' comment

but I did like this!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ally2 on June 06, 2016, 04:29:50 PM
I think it will be a difficult start though. Players coming back late and then everyone having to get fit and adapt to his ideas will be hard work for everyone. Hope he gets us doing double training sessions!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2016, 04:30:58 PM
Link?
Theres this out there

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14537358.Why_Ronald_Koeman_will_be__betraying__Saints_more_than_any_other_manager_in_the_club_s_history/?ref=rss
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2016, 04:33:52 PM
Theres this out there

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14537358.Why_Ronald_Koeman_will_be__betraying__Saints_more_than_any_other_manager_in_the_club_s_history/?ref=rss

I stopped reading at 'They're nowhere near as an attractive proposition as Saints....' Total bullshit as well as poor grammar.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 04:34:46 PM
So that's worse than Redknapp to-ing and fro-ing between Southampton and Portsmouth?

Gang of clowns.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ridge on June 06, 2016, 04:37:26 PM
All rather underwhelming, could be worse I suppose.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 06, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
A vocal section of these Saints fans seem a bit deluded.

They need to understand their place in the football food chain. They are a shop window club.

It's the harsh truth. It's up to their owners to change it. It's not Everton's nor Ronald Koeman's fault.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2016, 04:39:37 PM
Theres this out there

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14537358.Why_Ronald_Koeman_will_be__betraying__Saints_more_than_any_other_manager_in_the_club_s_history/?ref=rss

Wow.

He sounds about 13.

They would've won the league apparently.

That's not up for debate.

And Southampton are a more attractive proposition than Everton.

That's not up for debate either apparently.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 06, 2016, 04:39:45 PM
A vocal section of these Saints fans seem a bit deluded.

They need to understand their place in the football food chain. They are a shop window club.

It's the harsh truth. It's up to their owners to change it. It's not Everton's nor Ronald Koeman's fault.

Just a bit more of a shop window club than us or are we Shitteh all of a sudden .
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 04:40:02 PM
Can't wait for Le Tissier's thoughts on the first Soccer Saturday, he hates us as it is, this will tip him over more than if Thompson was to turn round and shag his mouth on live tv.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2016, 04:41:51 PM
Can't wait for Le Tissier's thoughts on the first Soccer Saturday, he hates us as it is, this will tip him over more than if Thompson was to turn round and shag his mouth on live tv.

"Shag his mouth" 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2016, 04:42:02 PM
This is a club with no real history to speak of who were playing in League 1 five years ago. Some people need a reality check.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 06, 2016, 04:43:18 PM
Just a bit more of a shop window club than us or are we Shitteh all of a sudden .

No we have an owner whose ambitions are to be greater than a shop window.

We are not there yet but we will see what happens.

Their owners - despite being richer than Mr Moshiri - are content to remain as a shop window. Saints should direct their ire at them.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 06, 2016, 04:43:51 PM
Theres this out there

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14537358.Why_Ronald_Koeman_will_be__betraying__Saints_more_than_any_other_manager_in_the_club_s_history/?ref=rss

Read MiltonRoad75's comment to that article. Brilliant
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 04:46:54 PM
Read MiltonRoad75's comment to that article. Brilliant

I can only find comments by MiltonRoad76 mate, he must've moved over the road by the time I opened the link.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 06, 2016, 04:53:36 PM
I can only find comments by MiltonRoad76 mate, he must've moved over the road by the time I opened the link.

Bloody hell, another one deserting Southampton.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: stirlingblue on June 06, 2016, 04:55:04 PM
Theres this out there

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14537358.Why_Ronald_Koeman_will_be__betraying__Saints_more_than_any_other_manager_in_the_club_s_history/?ref=rss

Bloody hell, check this comment out:

.Only i would dance on your grave you two faced double dealing piece of garbage.............
. Hope Everton do a SE Asia tour so watch your back Koeman as id stick a knife in there...............
...... I curse you and all the players that play for you ..hope you all have nasty accident............
.................. if some fans thinkin im being extreme well as shankly said 'footballs more than life and death' slightly tongue in cheek i beleive.............
.................but ive given blood sweat tears and cash following Saints for over 40 years and this judas has just ruined our best chance of being a top 4 contender...........
.................... Football today sucks and im totally fed up with it............
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 06, 2016, 04:56:22 PM
Bloody hell, check this comment out:

.Only i would dance on your grave you two faced double dealing piece of garbage.............
. Hope Everton do a SE Asia tour so watch your back Koeman as id stick a knife in there...............
...... I curse you and all the players that play for you ..hope you all have nasty accident............
.................. if some fans thinkin im being extreme well as shankly said 'footballs more than life and death' slightly tongue in cheek i beleive.............
.................but ive given blood sweat tears and cash following Saints for over 40 years and this judas has just ruined our best chance of being a top 4 contender...........
.................... Football today sucks and im totally fed up with it............

That's our Milton
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2016, 05:00:55 PM
Can understand why Soton fans are pretty fed up with getting rinsed, in all honesty. They do a lot of good things as a club, have just had their best season in the Prem and their manager has just been taken by a club well below them in the league.

As hill says, it's their owners who need to flex their muscles really, if they want to progress and grow long term, but it must be frustrating as fuck for their fans.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2016, 05:03:28 PM
I'm finding it all very amusing, Southampton fans are a funny bunch arn't they, they struggled in the prem for years before going down, nearly folded, went down to league one, played home games in front of crowds less than 10,000, did well to come back up, back back promotions under Nigel Adkins, then fucked him off, did the dirty on him,  got a bit big for their boots, Pochitino comes in and does well, gets an offer from a bigger club and leaves, Koeman comes in, has two decent top half finishes, gets an offer he cant really refuse from a massive club and leaves, shit happens

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 06, 2016, 05:04:11 PM
A vocal section of these Saints fans seem a bit deluded.

They need to understand their place in the football food chain

Bit rich considering a load on here thought we had a serious chance of landing Mourinho
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2016, 05:06:02 PM
Can understand why Soton fans are pretty fed up with getting rinsed, in all honesty. They do a lot of good things as a club, have just had their best season in the Prem and their manager has just been taken by a club well below them in the league.

As hill says, it's their owners who need to flex their muscles really, if they want to progress and grow long term, but it must be frustrating as fuck for their fans.

Their owner has more readies than Moshiri. If she wanted to she could have matched the salary on offer and given him some money to spend. The fact she hasn't, or we assume she hasn't, indicates that where the two clubs want to be are in different directions. Hence the move I would imagine.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
Their owner has more readies than Moshiri. If she wanted to she could have matched the salary on offer and given him some money to spend. The fact she hasn't, or we assume she hasn't, indicates that where the two clubs want to be are in different directions. Hence the move I would imagine.

Absolutely. I suppose their owners would argue that their model is working quite well.

But yeah, their fans are lashing out a bit. The sensible, less emotional ones realise it's their own board, rather than us, who needs to be challenged and questioned.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 06, 2016, 05:14:10 PM
This is a good read if you have the time; also the Monday Night Football video I posted a few pages ago

https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/ronald-koemans-saints/

That was really good - exactly what I needed - thanks!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on June 06, 2016, 05:16:02 PM
Feel sorry for the Southampton fans to be honest... I've not read any of their comments but I understand why they might be pissed off. They've got a great position and now it might all be destroyed.

I've got a mate whos a Southampton fan, I spoke to him on Saturday about it... he was gutted but understood that if Moshiri has given Koeman a more positive message about investment and plans for the future compared to the message he has got from the Southampton board then he is bound to consider leaving.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 05:16:48 PM
Bloody hell, check this comment out:

.Only i would dance on your grave you two faced double dealing piece of garbage.............
. Hope Everton do a SE Asia tour so watch your back Koeman as id stick a knife in there...............
...... I curse you and all the players that play for you ..hope you all have nasty accident............
.................. if some fans thinkin im being extreme well as shankly said 'footballs more than life and death' slightly tongue in cheek i beleive.............
.................but ive given blood sweat tears and cash following Saints for over 40 years and this judas has just ruined our best chance of being a top 4 contender...........
.................... Football today sucks and im totally fed up with it............

Ex wife.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 05:18:07 PM


I've got a mate whos a Southampton fan

Sorry to hear about this, I shall send a wreath.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2016, 05:20:05 PM
This is a good read if you have the time; also the Monday Night Football video I posted a few pages ago

https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/ronald-koemans-saints/

Reading that Barkley is in for one hell of a shock with what is expected of him when he don't have the ball. Hopefully it'll be the making of him and we'll see a lot fitter player.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2016, 05:20:14 PM
At the end of the day, the majority of us would be pissed off it happened here
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ridge on June 06, 2016, 05:21:18 PM
Well at least people will be happy that he's played at top level.

Top 10 finishes here we come
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2016, 05:25:42 PM
At the end of the day, the majority of us would be pissed off it happened here

Exactly, and although we're a significantly bigger club that them, we can relate to the feeling of being cannibalised by other clubs and viewed as a bit of an irrelevance. It is dispiriting.

A lot of their fans seem to think Moshiri is some fly-by-night, foreign charlatan who's going to use and abuse us. I don't think they really get that this is a long term investment to improve and grow all aspects of the club.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 06, 2016, 05:28:38 PM
To be fair a lot of our own were the same when we found out the truth behind Moyes and the Man United dealings. Fuck it anyway.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 06, 2016, 05:34:33 PM
Well, if the utter meltdown of the Southampton forums is anything to go by then we've landed ourselves a good un.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2016, 05:35:13 PM
Listen, if we have a stormer next year and Arsenal/Barcelona come knocking at the end of the season and offer him £8m a season he'll be off. It's just the way of the world. He'll move on, we'll move on and everyone will forget about it soon after.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2016, 05:40:04 PM
Vinny outside the parkend

Nearly done, Announcement probably tomoz
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ally2 on June 06, 2016, 05:42:27 PM

Reading that Barkley is in for one hell of a shock with what is expected of him when he don't have the ball. Hopefully it'll be the making of him and we'll see a lot fitter player.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I fear for Ross if he can't keep up with these ideas. But if he does then we will have a great player.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2016, 05:47:37 PM
I'm getting cold feet about getting this former world-class player, who gets his teams fit, organised, playing with energy, and into the European qualification places.

What we really need is a manager who was an average player, who views fitness, tempo, pressing, and set pieces as unimportant distractions to the philosophy of keeping the ball, and flirts with relegation but might win us a cup.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: di_guyo on June 06, 2016, 05:48:05 PM
This is a good read if you have the time; also the Monday Night Football video I posted a few pages ago

https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/ronald-koemans-saints/

Sounds good for the most part, but the lack of goals on the counter does concern me a little.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 06, 2016, 05:48:39 PM
Vinny outside the parkend

Nearly done, Announcement probably tomoz

Not going to get much publicity if Ibrahimovic is unveiled as a Utd player tomorrow as expected.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 06, 2016, 05:51:35 PM
Listen, if we have a stormer next year and Arsenal/Barcelona come knocking at the end of the season and offer him £8m a season he'll be off. It's just the way of the world. He'll move on, we'll move on and everyone will forget about it soon after.

The difference is that a stormer for us is Champions League football, which is good for Everton and for him. Whereas a stormer for Southampton is Europa league football, which is an achievement for a club of their size, but financially not that rewarding and still doesn't attract the top calibre of player that is required to challenge for the title and higher honours.

I think the difference between the teams finishing 10th and 4th has narrowed considerably over the past few years, and it will only take a couple of changes tactically with the right coaching to completely alter our position. Combine that with the right choice of quality additions to the squad and you should have a winning formula.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 06, 2016, 05:51:50 PM
I'm getting cold feet about getting this former world-class player, who gets his teams, fit, organised, playing with energy, and into the European qualification places.

What we really need is a manager who was an average player, who views fitness, tempo, pressing, and set pieces as unimportant distractions to the philosophy of keeping the ball, and flirts with relegation but might win us a cup.

Haha his approach to fitness really was a joke wasn't it. "no such thing as muscle injuries"

Remember we were all tugging ourselves silly over the fact he had a post-graduate diploma in physiotherapy and all the training was done 'with the ball'.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bigl1cks on June 06, 2016, 05:52:03 PM

Sounds good for the most part, but the lack of goals on the counter does concern me a little.

They scored the same number of goals as us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2016, 05:56:28 PM
Sounds good for the most part, but the lack of goals on the counter does concern me a little.

I think that's in part due to their centre forward and focal point of the team not being blessed with much pace. If you swapped him for Vincent Janssen for instance then I think you'd see a much more balanced attack. Which is why I'm not displeased to hear the rumours Koeman would like him as Lukaku's replacement, although quite how anyone could know that when he's not even our manager yet...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: di_guyo on June 06, 2016, 06:00:33 PM
I think that's in part due to their centre forward and focal point of the team not being blessed with much pace. If you swapped him for Vincent Janssen for instance then I think you'd see a much more balanced attack. Which is why I'm not displeased to hear the rumours Koeman would like him as Lukaku's replacement, although quite how anyone could know that when he's not even our manager yet...

Hopefully. Some of the best football we've played has been on the counter, would hate to lose that. We have some really good players for that type of football
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2016, 06:04:07 PM
Haha his approach to fitness really was a joke wasn't it. "no such thing as muscle injuries"

Remember we were all tugging ourselves silly over the fact he had a post-graduate diploma in physiotherapy and all the training was done 'with the ball'.



We were; it was a mass working-class circle-jerk of hysterical proportians.

Couldn't blame us though; he spoke so well, and most of us were sick to the back teeth of defending deep and valiantly, with a manager whose chief instruction when our full-back recieved the ball in defence was "HIT CAHILL!"
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 06, 2016, 06:09:12 PM
We were; it was a mass working-class circle-jerk of hysterical proportians.

Couldn't blame us though; he spoke so well, and most of us were sick to the back teeth of defending deep and valiantly, with a manager whose chief instruction when our full-back recieved the ball in defence was "HIT CAHILL!"

We fell for it.

Hopefully this time we have the best of both worlds - pragmatism and panache.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2016, 06:09:29 PM
Haha his approach to fitness really was a joke wasn't it. "no such thing as muscle injuries"

Remember we were all tugging ourselves silly over the fact he had a post-graduate diploma in physiotherapy and all the training was done 'with the ball'.



And then he told us Baines was going to be the new Lahm bossing games from midfield and we all did a collective wank.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 06, 2016, 07:07:59 PM
And then he told us Baines was going to be the new Lahm bossing games from midfield and we all did a collective wank.

I fell head over heels for this one. Baines was to become the midfield enforcer that could play the ball out from the back and we all lapped it up like cats to a milk bowl.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 06, 2016, 07:33:56 PM
Their owner has more readies than Moshiri. If she wanted to she could have matched the salary on offer and given him some money to spend. The fact she hasn't, or we assume she hasn't, indicates that where the two clubs want to be are in different directions. Hence the move I would imagine.
Although Katharina Liebherr may have a higher net worth than Moshiri it's almost entirely tied up in the businesses she inherited from her father. She's currently got loans to Southampton of about £33m, but it's safe to assume her liquid assets aren't close to Moshiri's, especially given he's a self-made serial investor.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2016, 08:12:40 PM
Although Katharina Liebherr may have a higher net worth than Moshiri it's almost entirely tied up in the businesses she inherited from her father. She's currently got loans to Southampton of about £33m, but it's safe to assume her liquid assets aren't close to Moshiri's, especially given he's a self-made serial investor.

We're splitting hairs here though really. She has a net worth of about £3bn and whilst the term 'billion' is thrown about willy nilly these days that is still ridiculous wealth. Now whether that is tied up in various businesses or not she has the potential, should she wish, to reapportion or liquidate some of the wealth in the portfolio and focus on developing Southampton Football Club. She hasn't so far and doesn't look like she will. Hence Koeman's head probably being turned by a guy who is looking to do just that with Everton.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: alexb on June 06, 2016, 08:26:33 PM
Hmmm the Echo is saying he is off on his Jollies again for another week. So no announcement till next week

Odd decision, surely we would want to get this sorted before the Euro's. :/
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2016, 08:30:08 PM
Hmmm the Echo is saying he is off on his Jollies again for another week. So no announcement till next week

Odd decision, surely we would want to get this sorted before the Euro's. :/

Sky Sports were saying the announcement will likely be between 24 hours and by the end of the week, Alex 👍🏼
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2016, 08:30:12 PM
Hmmm the Echo is saying he is off on his Jollies again for another week. So no announcement till next week

Odd decision, surely we would want to get this sorted before the Euro's. :/
We can announce it just no presser till he gets home

Likes a holiday koeman. Doesn't look like a man who would like sitting in the sun tho does he
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Vespa on June 06, 2016, 08:35:00 PM
To be honest if my wage suddenly doubled I'd be off on holiday too
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: alexb on June 06, 2016, 08:41:55 PM
Sky Sports were saying the announcement will likely be between 24 hours and by the end of the week, Alex 👍🏼

Got a little freaked out then, when you called me by my name, forgot it was in my username lol. I was thinking i had stalker then :D
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2016, 08:42:59 PM
Got a little freaked out then, when you called me by my name, forgot it was in my username lol. I was thinking i had stalker then :D

Nah, I'm not a stalker.

Alex.

😳
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: robertdrumm1954 on June 06, 2016, 09:11:59 PM
Can't wait for Le Tissier's thoughts on the first Soccer Saturday, he hates us as it is, this will tip him over more than if Thompson was to turn round and shag his mouth on live tv.
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Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: stirlingblue on June 06, 2016, 09:12:23 PM

Nah, I'm not a stalker.

Alex.



You could have at least guessed a Surname starting with B, would have really freaked him if you hit the mark.

Wouldn't it, Alex Brown?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: alexb on June 06, 2016, 09:21:11 PM
You could have at least guessed a Surname starting with B, would have really freaked him if you hit the mark.

Wouldn't it, Alex Brown?

Think its best i lock the fucking door. :P

Brown is wrong. It could be Bellew, and that would teach you a lesson 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 06, 2016, 09:30:56 PM
We can announce it just no presser till he gets home

Likes a holiday koeman. Doesn't look like a man who would like sitting in the sun tho does he

Nah. Can see him dipping his toes occasionally whilst smashing the Oranjeboom.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Everton Mint on June 06, 2016, 10:01:41 PM
IMO him going on holiday shows its a done deal and they are just going through the legal stuff.

He wouldnt go away with his future unresolved.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2016, 10:07:25 PM
You could have at least guessed a Surname starting with B, would have really freaked him if you hit the mark.

Wouldn't it, Alex Brown?

Ah fuck, missed a trick there didn't I 😄

Still, I was furiously masturbating into a pile of raw liver at the time 😳
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2016, 10:17:34 PM
He going anywhere nice?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 06, 2016, 10:21:17 PM
This is entering farce territory now, I hope we're not being lead by the nose here we look desperate enough as it is.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2016, 10:22:30 PM
This is entering farce territory now, I hope we're not being lead by the nose here we look desperate enough as it is.

What's so farcical about it?

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 06, 2016, 10:25:12 PM
What's so farcical about it?



The wages? the way it's being dragged out? his initial reluctance? our desperation?

Take your pick.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2016, 10:28:26 PM
The wages? the way it's being dragged out? his initial reluctance? our desperation?

Take your pick.

Any of the other managers we wanted would've commanded similar wages

The way it's being dragged out? How easy do you think it is to go and get another premier league manager who is under contract?

His reluctance? He was showing respect to Southampton by not immediately jumping at the first sign of news. A lot of that so called reluctance has come from the southern press

Our desperation? How are we desperate? He's our main target and we've made sure we got him. Great show of power more like imo
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 06, 2016, 10:28:50 PM
The wages? the way it's being dragged out? his initial reluctance? our desperation?

Take your pick.

Are you ever not looking for an internet squabble?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 06, 2016, 10:29:20 PM
The wages? the way it's being dragged out? his initial reluctance? our desperation?

Take your pick.
I can see the back page headlines:

Everton in 'man goes on holiday and nothing happens until he gets back' FARCE
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2016, 10:33:12 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/everton/next-permanent-manager?selectionName=ronald-koeman

1/20

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/arsenal/next-permanent-manager?selectionName=ronald-koeman

8/1

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/barcelona/next-permanent-manager?selectionName=ronald-koeman

3/1

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 06, 2016, 10:52:14 PM
Any of the other managers we wanted would've commanded similar wages

The way it's being dragged out? How easy do you think it is to go and get another premier league manager who is under contract?

Good well thought out reply fella.

His reluctance? He was showing respect to Southampton by not immediately jumping at the first sign of news. A lot of that so called reluctance has come from the southern press

Our desperation? How are we desperate? He's our main target and we've made sure we got him. Great show of power more like imo
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 06, 2016, 10:53:16 PM


Wish that one was 😃
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluestevie on June 06, 2016, 11:00:31 PM
Anyone see the cryarsing open letter from a so called Journo from the Southampton Echo? Piss funny, Daren Wheeler is his name
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bigjmill on June 06, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
Waiting for the announcement ! hurry up!!!

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKhWDNrWEAAUaa9.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 06, 2016, 11:19:36 PM
Waiting for the announcement ! hurry up!!!

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKhWDNrWEAAUaa9.jpg)

That's what will have happened to your entire starting line up of the 2011/2012 season by the time this is resolved!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bigjmill on June 06, 2016, 11:49:13 PM
That's what will have happened to your entire starting line up of the 2011/2012 season by the time this is resolved!

Better?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2016, 11:52:13 PM
Better?

I miss it.

It was nostalgic 😕
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ajax_andy on June 06, 2016, 11:53:07 PM
He going anywhere nice?

If he's anything like my Dutch in laws he'll be taking his caravan to Germany for a week with a car packed full of chocolate sprinkles which he'll have on toast for breakfast every day
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 06, 2016, 11:59:50 PM
This Koeman saga is just a smokescreen, I'm telling you lads. Emery will be announced tomorrow.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 07, 2016, 12:07:06 AM
Listen, if we have a stormer next year and Arsenal/Barcelona come knocking at the end of the season and offer him £8m a season he'll be off. It's just the way of the world. He'll move on, we'll move on and everyone will forget about it soon after.
This is why I'm not arsed about what were paying him, as the potential payoff from other suitors will not go up massively.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 07, 2016, 12:07:10 AM
This Koeman saga is just a smokescreen, I'm telling you lads. Emery will be announced tomorrow.

I don't know why but I feel exactly the same
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 07, 2016, 12:11:16 AM
I don't know why but I feel exactly the same

I was taking the piss to be fair, but wouldn't that be nice?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 07, 2016, 12:11:25 AM
To be honest if my wage suddenly doubled I'd be off on holiday too
If I was picking up £6m a year I'd be popping along the coast to Poole docks and enquiring about the price of this little beauty that was there earlier.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160606/60df4842cbda8627b1c9860aaff35698.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 07, 2016, 12:29:49 AM
So it's not pelligrini? But sos1878 said it would be pelligrini!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 07, 2016, 12:31:27 AM
The way things are going, Southampton will announce their replacement before we do.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 07, 2016, 12:36:52 AM
I've lumped a tenner on De Boer to Southampton.

I called it way back in the big manager thread.

If it comes in I think I should rake in the ITK points.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Hesmenos on June 07, 2016, 12:37:50 AM
Maybe we are waiting for Dave Whelan to announce it first
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Silas on June 07, 2016, 12:41:22 AM
Who has two thumbs and doesn't give a crap? Ronald Koeman

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Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 07, 2016, 12:45:25 AM
So it's not pelligrini? But sos1878 said it would be pelligrini!


Is that Stavros and his bunch of merry men?

Didn't he want Mark Hughes?!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 07, 2016, 12:47:18 AM
All those turncoat bastards now voting in favour of Koeman. 84% !!! Bandwagonners that's what they are. There is no honesty or integrity left in football. The only reason I wanted Pellegrini was we would get his even older 2nd man, who looks 70+ and has never been known to speak in public. He braved our worst English weather with scarves and gloves, sometimes visibly shivering, and sat on the left of Pellegrini saying nothing in every game. My mates say I they have no idea who I am talking about. I will miss him. Anyway, welcome to Koeman, you are at a big club now. Thank you Mr.Moshira, without you and your loot this would not have happened. 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 07, 2016, 12:56:04 AM
I can see the back page headlines:

Everton in 'man goes on holiday and nothing happens until he gets back' FARCE

Where's the holiday spending money Bill?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 07, 2016, 01:11:44 AM
If I was picking up £6m a year I'd be popping along the coast to Poole docks and enquiring about the price of this little beauty that was there earlier.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160606/60df4842cbda8627b1c9860aaff35698.jpg)

That's about a mile away from where I'm staying at the mo.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 07, 2016, 01:14:10 AM
Garston?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 07, 2016, 01:15:32 AM
Garston?

Rarmirez
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 07, 2016, 01:24:49 AM
That's about a mile away from where I'm staying at the mo.

We watched them put the base of another on into the water next to it too.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 07, 2016, 01:43:05 AM
5Live going to discuss Koeman in a few minutes
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 07, 2016, 01:45:01 AM
5Libe going to discuss Koeman in a few minutes

"He's getting closer to becoming Everton manager but he's on holiday and isn't actually Everton's manager yet but we've got half an hour to fill, so here's Danny Murphy talking shite"
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 07, 2016, 01:45:26 AM
"He's getting closer to becoming Everton manager but he's on holiday and isn't actually Everton's manager yet but we've got half an hour to fill, so here's Danny Murphy talking shite"

Gerry Taggert tonight
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 07, 2016, 01:45:48 AM
Gerry Taggert tonight

excellent

someone I've never heard of instead of someone I wish I hadn't heard of
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 07, 2016, 01:51:18 AM
excellent

someone I've never heard of instead of someone I wish I hadn't heard of

Former Leicester and NI defender
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 07, 2016, 01:57:29 AM
Gerry Taggert tonight
(https://i.imgflip.com/15e54g.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 07, 2016, 02:00:00 AM
Former Leicester and NI defender

may as well have been on SoccerAid mate ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Danny on June 07, 2016, 02:06:20 AM
Have I missed them talking about it? I put it on and they haven't discussed it at all and then said what was coming up and none of the topics related to us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 07, 2016, 02:10:20 AM
Talking about it now, Matt Le Tissier whining.
Title: Koeman
Post by: bigl1cks on June 07, 2016, 02:12:15 AM
Pure speculation on my part but perhaps we are waiting to tie up monchi as well for a double reveal to the media ?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 07, 2016, 02:17:16 AM
Pure speculation on my part but perhaps we are waiting to tie up monchi as well for a double reveal to the media ?

I said this the other day. Double bubble
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 07, 2016, 02:17:46 AM
Talking about it now, Matt Le Tissier whining.
What's he saying?

Backward move etc etc
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 07, 2016, 02:18:34 AM
What's he saying?

Backward move etc etc

Focussed on the money, can't understand why he's going
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 07, 2016, 02:19:35 AM
We don't even know if he is coming yet.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 07, 2016, 02:20:06 AM
What's he saying?

Backward move etc etc

Pretty much yeah, just seemed pissed off about it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 07, 2016, 02:26:49 AM
"I can think of about six million reasons he'd want to leave Southampton!"

To be honest I didn't think the population of bitter ex-Saints players turned pundits was quite so large.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 07, 2016, 02:28:52 AM
We don't even know if he is coming yet.

You seem to be obsessed with this recently good doctor?

I prescribe a chill pill!

He's coming! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 07, 2016, 02:33:38 AM
I'm gonna go mad here and stick my neck on the line and say it will be announced tomoz

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Amata on June 07, 2016, 02:35:04 AM
"I can think of about six million reasons he'd want to leave Southampton!"

To be honest I didn't think the population of bitter ex-Saints players turned pundits was quite so large.

He's right though - most Southampton fans know we are a bigger, more historical club but in terms of players/academy/facilities and stadiums there isnt much difference. He's not left Southampton to sign for us because 'it's Everton' he has signed as we have given him a significant payrise and the promise of a large investment both on and off the field. There is no way he'd be here if Moshiri wasnt our new owner.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 07, 2016, 02:35:15 AM
Talking about it now, Matt Le Tissier whining.

Nasally, as per usual.  He's just a big congested nose on legs isn't he?  One club bag of shite.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 07, 2016, 02:39:02 AM
You seem to be obsessed with this recently good doctor?

I prescribe a chill pill!

He's coming! :thumbsup:

I am hoping he isn't and we suddenly announce Blanc or someone like that
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 07, 2016, 02:53:19 AM
Nasally, as per usual.  He's just a big congested nose on legs isn't he?  One club bag of shite.

He is a pure unadulterated heap of garbage isn't he?

Thinking with his Southampton specs there, shite pundit as well, just says the basics. 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 07, 2016, 02:55:29 AM
As a pundit he's a poor man's Chris Kamara (just as inept, but without being amusing).
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 07, 2016, 02:57:44 AM
How the fuck he pulled Emily Symonds I don't know
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 07, 2016, 03:07:34 AM
How the fuck he pulled Emily Symonds I don't know

Same six million reasons Koeman left Southampton?

Before he starts calling other people's character into question with regards what they would do for money, maybe he should look closer to home?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Everton Mint on June 07, 2016, 03:09:53 AM
Here's Koeman's backroom team at Soton that he could well bring with him:

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/team/staff-profiles/

Sammy Lee though... no fuckin chance.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 07, 2016, 03:13:30 AM
Same six million reasons Koeman left Southampton?

Before he starts calling other people's character into question with regards what they would do for money, maybe he should look closer to home?

There's no way he was on that much is there, back in the 90s?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on June 07, 2016, 03:15:43 AM
I suppose he didn't say similar stuff about Pochettino when he left to takeover Spurs or the raft of players that joined liverpool? Bitter fool, get over it, Southampton are and will always be a tiny club.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 07, 2016, 03:19:47 AM
Southampton are a shitbag club, always have been.

In 1977/78 they had already won promotion heading into the last game of the season, a home game against 3rd placed Tottenham.

Tottenham needed a draw to go up with them, which would mean Brighton could not be promoted.

Southampton had an excellent record at The Dell, and had only failed to score at home once all season.

Them and Spurs played out a farcical 0-0 draw, at a walking pace, with no shots on goal.

When Lawrie McMenemy, the Southampton manager, was interviewed after the game he just gave a wry smile and said how happy they were to be promoted alongside a great club like Tottenham.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: velimski on June 07, 2016, 03:22:04 AM
Saw Matt Le Tissier at a petrol station in Southampton last week. I was about to say "hi Matt" as I walked past him, but thankfully didn't because he'd have absolutely no idea who I am.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: benny on June 07, 2016, 03:45:01 AM
He's right though - most Southampton fans know we are a bigger, more historical club but in terms of players/academy/facilities and stadiums there isnt much difference. He's not left Southampton to sign for us because 'it's Everton' he has signed as we have given him a significant payrise and the promise of a large investment both on and off the field. There is no way he'd be here if Moshiri wasnt our new owner.

                 this +++
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 07, 2016, 03:58:25 AM
There's no way he was on that much is there, back in the 90s?

Probably not. Although the numerical answer is different with different data sir, I still expect an A* for the working out because the theory still holds true ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 07, 2016, 04:01:31 AM
I have never had any problem with Southampton, and I'm not a big fan of the 'bigger club' debates. The way I see it, your club is your club. Everton is mine. Real Madrid are a bigger club than Everton, but I couldn't give a fuck about them cos they aren't us

Southampton fans should rightly be pleased with how well they have done on their return to the top flight. They seem to be a well run club, they now have a good squad and they do seem to develop youngsters well

Ronald Koeman has got them 7th and then 6th and at the same time he has had many of his best players sold and had to buy cheaper replacements. He has done well

So Everton want him as manager. And he wants to come. I could see why Southampton fans would be pissed off with it. On current form, Southampton are a better team. So why does Koeman want to come to Everton?

Historically we have achieved more. 9 leagues against their 0. 5 FA Cups to their 1. A European Cup Winners cup to their no European honours. More seasons in the top flight than any other team

Also we have a billionaire owner who is promising to spend hundreds of millions of pounds.

He's only got 1 year left on his contract so Koeman is ultimately in a good position to decide what he wants for his future

The academy is one reason I have seen Southampton fans mention as to why they might be a more attractive option. Evertons u21 side and u18 side both finished above Southamptons in this seasons leagues

I just don't get why there seems to be such animosity coming from their fans. We don't think that we are Abramovich's early Chelsea or anything. I'm fairly sure I would respect Ronald Koeman just fine if he decided to stay with them

A bigger history and an owner pledging lots of money seems a fine reason to me for someone to change their job
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 07, 2016, 04:13:54 AM
Here's Koeman's backroom team at Soton that he could well bring with him:

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/team/staff-profiles/

Sammy Lee though... no fuckin chance.

The question of staff is an interesting one.

Looks like his brother will come with him and he's apparently very able and well liked.

The fitness coach too and he can only be an improvement on whoever Martinez's men were.

But we also lost a first team coach, a goalkeeping coach and a chief scout. I doubt we'll fill those positions from Southampton because the guys who hold those positions weren't Koeman's men but appointed Les Reed (Sammy Lee included, thankfully).

But their goalkeeping coach is very well thought of and apparently has a big say in the set piece preparation - which they are good at and we aren't. He's also the England goalkeeping coach. Would be great if we could steal him as part of the deal.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 07, 2016, 04:16:47 AM
I have never had any problem with Southampton, and I'm not a big fan of the 'bigger club' debates. The way I see it, your club is your club. Everton is mine. Real Madrid are a bigger club than Everton, but I couldn't give a fuck about them cos they aren't us

Southampton fans should rightly be pleased with how well they have done on their return to the top flight. They seem to be a well run club, they now have a good squad and they do seem to develop youngsters well

Ronald Koeman has got them 7th and then 6th and at the same time he has had many of his best players sold and had to buy cheaper replacements. He has done well

So Everton want him as manager. And he wants to come. I could see why Southampton fans would be pissed off with it. On current form, Southampton are a better team. So why does Koeman want to come to Everton?

Historically we have achieved more. 9 leagues against their 0. 5 FA Cups to their 1. A European Cup Winners cup to their no European honours. More seasons in the top flight than any other team

Also we have a billionaire owner who is promising to spend hundreds of millions of pounds.

He's only got 1 year left on his contract so Koeman is ultimately in a good position to decide what he wants for his future

The academy is one reason I have seen Southampton fans mention as to why they might be a more attractive option. Evertons u21 side and u18 side both finished above Southamptons in this seasons leagues

I just don't get why there seems to be such animosity coming from their fans. We don't think that we are Abramovich's early Chelsea or anything. I'm fairly sure I would respect Ronald Koeman just fine if he decided to stay with them

A bigger history and an owner pledging lots of money seems a fine reason to me for someone to change their job

Yeah, but apart from that, Southampton are a much bigger club tho.  <sniggers>
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Amata on June 07, 2016, 04:28:53 AM
I have never had any problem with Southampton, and I'm not a big fan of the 'bigger club' debates. The way I see it, your club is your club. Everton is mine. Real Madrid are a bigger club than Everton, but I couldn't give a fuck about them cos they aren't us

Southampton fans should rightly be pleased with how well they have done on their return to the top flight. They seem to be a well run club, they now have a good squad and they do seem to develop youngsters well

Ronald Koeman has got them 7th and then 6th and at the same time he has had many of his best players sold and had to buy cheaper replacements. He has done well

So Everton want him as manager. And he wants to come. I could see why Southampton fans would be pissed off with it. On current form, Southampton are a better team. So why does Koeman want to come to Everton?

Historically we have achieved more. 9 leagues against their 0. 5 FA Cups to their 1. A European Cup Winners cup to their no European honours. More seasons in the top flight than any other team

Also we have a billionaire owner who is promising to spend hundreds of millions of pounds.

He's only got 1 year left on his contract so Koeman is ultimately in a good position to decide what he wants for his future

The academy is one reason I have seen Southampton fans mention as to why they might be a more attractive option. Evertons u21 side and u18 side both finished above Southamptons in this seasons leagues

I just don't get why there seems to be such animosity coming from their fans. We don't think that we are Abramovich's early Chelsea or anything. I'm fairly sure I would respect Ronald Koeman just fine if he decided to stay with them

A bigger history and an owner pledging lots of money seems a fine reason to me for someone to change their job

Agree, apart from the history bit. I honestly dont think anyone in the football world cares about history anymore, there's no place for sentiment now as its become driven by greed.

Now its all about the present, the £££ and the potential future.  Im sure if Watford/Palace etc offered him £7mill a year and £100 mill to spend with the promise of further investment and a new ground he would happily sign for them.

Also I dont think most of the Saints fans realise that we now have Moshiri running things and he has big plans, why would they as I wouldnt have a clue if this happened to another club, especially as its all been low key and not on Shiek Mansour/Abramovic levels. They probably think he's coming here, losing 2-3 best players and having to rebuild when he could have just stayed there and done that.

Another point of note is that he said he was seeing out his final year and he was rumoured to be after the Arsenal/Barca job, so for him to renege on his promise to go and join a club that isnt the highest level is pissing them off too and i think we are just on the end of the frustration. Maybe when they see how Moshiri appears to be doing things they will understand.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2016, 04:29:49 AM
Le Tiss and his saints pals need to grow a pair and get over it, shit happens, sulking about it just makes you look like a needy bellend
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Amata on June 07, 2016, 04:34:02 AM
Le Tiss and his saints pals need to grow a pair and get over it, shit happens, sulking about it just makes you look like a needy bellend

Agree but we dont do that do we (looks through Byram thread).

All fans, our own included need to stop doing it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 07, 2016, 04:37:29 AM
The Mirror reckon it'll be confirmed tomorrow, with a "no poaching" clause (didn't Brendan sign one of those too?)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-poised-confirm-new-manager-8127187
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2016, 04:47:04 AM
I fully understand why Soton and Le Tiss are annoyed. At the moment they are lashing out at us, but in reality their anger is towards their own board and owners for not having the ambition to build on what they've done.

We would be fuming if we'd just had our best ever Prem finish with a highly praised manager, and then he was poached by a bigger club that was languishing well below us in the table, two seasons in a row, and our fans would be giving it exactly the same 'he's going for the money' comments.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 07, 2016, 04:47:54 AM
Think a no poaching clause is reasonable, mainly because I don't want us to sign any of their players except maybe Forster (which wouldn't happen).

That JWP mentioned as a possible target is shit and Southampton fans say as much. Has this reputation as this deadball specialist when really he just has a particular way of standing over and approaching the ball. His deliveries are alright, that's it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 07, 2016, 04:49:02 AM
I hate the 'bigger club' debates, kopites seem to have the most warped definition of 'big club'.....I don't think it's got much to do with history, I don't think great players want to sign for clubs because they won trophies years before they were even born.

I think a 'big club' is a club that is achieving things consistently over the past 10 years, league titles, European cups, etc.

I don't think we are that much of a bigger club than Southampton, probably edge it because they've only come back up the premiership in the past few years.

I think the main reasons Koeman is signing for us is because he's doubling his wage, and won't be forced to sell his best players.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2016, 04:59:34 AM
I don't think we are that much of a bigger club than Southampton, probably edge it because they've only come back up the premiership in the past few years.

I take your point about bigger club debate being boring, but if you'll just indulge me for one moment -

They were in League One in 2010. We're a significantly bigger club that them by almost all criteria (other than league positions in the last two seasons).
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 07, 2016, 05:02:54 AM
After spreading his cheeks wide for us in the hope of landing the job, Frank de Boer's agent says he's not interested in the Southampton job :snigger:

I would laugh but that's me bet down the swanny.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 07, 2016, 05:05:27 AM
I Can't understand anyone saying we are not a bigger club than soton

Appreciate they have come above this season. Does that make Leicester the biggest club in England?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2016, 05:06:44 AM
Agree but we dont do that do we (looks through Byram thread).

All fans, our own included need to stop doing it.

Of course we do it, every teams fans do it, it solves nothing though
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 07, 2016, 05:11:56 AM
The picture of a grinning Koeman posed on the deck of his(?) yacht made me think how his relationship with his new club will be so different to ours. He doesn't give two fucks about Southampton, or ultimately Everton after he leaves us. Everton will just be a passing phase in his career. Here today, gone tomorrow. Even our friend Roberto said recently maybe managers should have 18 month contracts. All that matters to Koeman is the yacht is well painted and well staffed, and reachable by private or 1st class air travel in exotic places you and I rarely get to see.  His sole incentive is money. and maybe adding to his CV by the dim possibility of winning something, He is welcome of course and hopefully will improve things, maybe even win something, before he departs for a "bigger" club than us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 07, 2016, 05:14:06 AM
Southampton are fuck all compared to Everton.

We're Everton for fucks sake. Everton.

Southampton are fuck all. Nice little club but they're just vanilla. No tradition, no glory, no fanbase behind them.

We've had a shit 20 years, but don't let that make you start thinking clubs like Southampton are even a patch on Everton.

The cunts down south don't realise it because they think West Ham are some kind of sleeping giant, but anyone that knows football knows what a great club we are.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2016, 05:21:23 AM
The picture of a grinning Koeman posed on the deck of his(?) yacht made me think how his relationship with his new club will be so different to ours. He doesn't give two fucks about Southampton, or ultimately Everton after he leaves us. Everton will just be a passing phase in his career. Here today, gone tomorrow. Even our friend Roberto said recently maybe managers should have 18 month contracts. All that matters to Koeman is the yacht is well painted and well staffed, and reachable by private or 1st class air travel in exotic places you and I rarely get to see.  His sole incentive is money. and maybe adding to his CV by the dim possibility of winning something, He is welcome of course and hopefully will improve things, maybe even win something, before he departs for a "bigger" club than us.

And that's fine. He's using us and we're using him, and for him to be able make that bigger move he'll have to impress and deliver some degree of 'success'. And if he doesn't do it, Moshiri's actions so far lead me to think he'll move him on, and aim to find someone else who can.

It's a professional relationship. We don't need to be madly in love with each other to make it work.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 07, 2016, 05:26:00 AM
I take your point about bigger club debate being boring, but if you'll just indulge me for one moment -

They were in League One in 2010. We're a significantly bigger club that them by almost all criteria (other than league positions in the last two seasons).

I said we are a bigger club.

But in the grand scheme of things we aren't that much of a bigger club.
I'm not sure what being a bigger club achieves? It's not like it has any impact on players that want to sign for you, because we've had players chose Stoke and West Ham over us in the past!
In your eyes and my eyes we are a bigger club than Southampton, but I think if a player had a choice of going to Southampton or Evertom then he would chose whoever paid him the most, it's not like a choice between us and Barcelona. the main reasons Koeman wants to come to us is money related, wether that's paying him double his wages, or not being a 'selling' club.
Last year we were apparently interested in signing Van Dijk but he chose Southmpton.

I suppose when you're not one the elite teams in the world, it doesn't matter how 'big' (however you want to define that) your club is, you're just 'one of the other' teams, it's all about money, fortunately now we have some.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: toffee_scot on June 07, 2016, 06:03:10 AM
The fact is Koeman is prepared to come to us from a club that has firmly established itself as a top 10 club and has comfortably finished above us in the last 2 seasons.

We seem to be quite an attractive proposition.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 07, 2016, 06:38:06 AM
The fact is Koeman is prepared to come to us from a club that has firmly established itself as a top 10 club and has comfortably finished above us in the last 2 seasons.

We seem to be quite an attractive proposition.

That's what money can do.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 07, 2016, 06:43:56 AM
If Southampton were a bigger club, then they should easily be able to keep him then, wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TSGun on June 07, 2016, 07:03:09 AM
Gawd, I hope something happens soon...it's all getting a bit painful
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 07, 2016, 07:17:10 AM
Convinced it will be completed tomorrow.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 07, 2016, 07:19:50 AM
If Southampton were a bigger club, then they should easily be able to keep him then, wouldn't they?

Southampton finished 6 places above us. Someone once quoted that a league position was worth approx 2m. That means Southampton got approx 12m more than us for their league position alone.
We are also constantly told how rich clubs in the Premier League are with tv money etc.
We are alegedly doubling his wages to 6m a year, so for an extra 3m they could keep him. In the scale of things 3m doesn't seem that much. I think the question is why didn't they?

Tradition is another thing that means fuck all. It is about money, full stop. If you gauge the size of a club on what they done in the past, clubs like Villa, Huddersfield, Preston, Sheffield Wed, Blackburn, Leeds, Wolves and Burnley would all be classified as being "bigger" than Southampton. But could you see any manager selecting any one of those clubs ahead of Southampton on today's rating. No, and had Roberto got us relegated, we would have been in that mix and it may have taken more than 6m to persuade anyone to come to our "big club".
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Omar on June 07, 2016, 09:46:36 AM
Did someone say something about Foster coming along as well?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 07, 2016, 11:05:37 AM
And that's fine. He's using us and we're using him, and for him to be able make that bigger move he'll have to impress and deliver some degree of 'success'. And if he doesn't do it, Moshiri's actions so far lead me to think he'll move him on, and aim to find someone else who can.

It's a professional relationship. We don't need to be madly in love with each other to make it work.

If he uses Everton the way Mourinho used Porto, Chelsea and Inter, then he can have the chuckles and salary and steal the silver candlesticks on his way out the window. 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GoodisonPk on June 07, 2016, 12:19:37 PM
Did someone say something about Foster coming along as well?

Me but i based it on nothing other than a hunch
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 07, 2016, 01:28:30 PM
.......from The Guardian.........
GOING DUTCH
The Fiver has heard a lot about the future of managers and coaches over the past few days, what with Roy Keane claiming clubs with USA! USA!! USA!!! owners would rather a coach “who’s got the whistle around his neck, a clipboard and a tan, and really white teeth” instead of, presumably, a man more likely to grapple players in his office and get the team to take shots at him in an attempt to embarrass a goalkeeper already lacking morale.

Still, this tendency to appoint a coach completely different to the last failure brings to mind Everton, who after sacking a man unable to teach his players how to defend – despite having the Future of Defending, John Stones, in his team – are hoping to replace him with one of the best centre-halves of all time. Ever since Bobby M went through the door marked Do One last month, driving an imaginary car to a backing track of Jason Derulo, Ronald Koeman has been marked as Farhad Moshiri’s No1 target. And with confirmation imminent it all looks to be a good fit – except, perhaps, for one member of the Dutchman’s backroom staff. Poor Sammy Lee. Almost 200 appearances and several seasons spent as a coach at Anfield will not endear you to those at Goodison, but even by the Fiver’s scanty standards that infamous “Sammy Lee drinks his own [Snip! – Fiver lawyers]” banner from the 2009 FA Cup final was below the belt.

It is hard not to feel a tad sorry for Southampton during all this, too. After losing Mauricio Pochettino to Tottenham two years ago, they are being fleeced again. Victims of their own undoubted success, they will not keep appointing successful replacements and there will also be immediate conjecture about which players will follow Koeman to Merseyside. All the usual names are in the mix to replace him – from André Villas-Boas to, er, Egil Ostenstad. Bournemouth’s Eddie Howe is the bookmakers’ favourite but to gauge how much that means it is worth recalling one particular gambling chain excitedly announcing their market for the next Celtic manager was closed because so much money was put on Keane. And who got that job? A man with glistening skin and a sparkling smile. A lesson, if nothing else, that sometimes veiled barbs can be a tad too obvious.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 07, 2016, 04:47:28 PM
Sky saying Koeman will be announced today.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2016, 05:10:12 PM
Lots of people getting their knickers in a twist with the whole 'bigger club' debate. It's irrelevant. Premier League football is now a global brand and you're now only as 'big' as how rich your owners are and your previous few seasons performances unfortunately.

Chelsea were a nothing club until 2003 when seemingly their 'new' history started and now they're included in discussions about European Super Leagues. At that time another 'big' club, Leeds United, were in the Premier League but were just about to implode and now they're a million miles away from the Champions League semi final nights they had under O'Leary.

Everton and Southampton both have billionaire owners and neither have troubled the silverware engravers for a long time. We're both in the same bracket now and it's only really die hard fans of either team who think their is any difference in the clubs.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bigjmill on June 07, 2016, 05:20:48 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10305348/ronald-koeman-set-to-complete-everton-switch-from-southampton

ball is rolling
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2016, 05:33:03 PM
It's easy to forget how big a deal Koeman is in world football. The guy was a legend internationally for both club and country and the knowledge he must have picked up along the way puts him in a different league to anything we've had previously. If Stones wants to learn anything in which to improve and build his career their wouldn't be many better mentors to choose.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 07, 2016, 05:39:43 PM
This Koeman threads gone all father ted.

"Big club near far away club small..."
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 07, 2016, 05:47:25 PM
It's easy to forget how big a deal Koeman is in world football. The guy was a legend internationally for both club and country and the knowledge he must have picked up along the way puts him in a different league to anything we've had previously. If Stones wants to learn anything in which to improve and build his career their wouldn't be many better mentors to choose.

There aren't many top flight managers around today that were as good as Koeman was as a player, and certainly none defensively. Stones has an ideal opportunity to learn from the very best in his position.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MIG on June 07, 2016, 05:50:46 PM
Do you think that is part of the reason we want Koeman?  To help convince Stones to stay?  I know that won't be the sole reason, but perhaps the reason Moshiri wants him over Emery?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 07, 2016, 06:00:08 PM
Do you think that is part of the reason we want Koeman?  To help convince Stones to stay?  I know that won't be the sole reason, but perhaps the reason Moshiri wants him over Emery?

I don't think Stones is the sole reason, but rather a small example of what the man himself is able to provide. Koeman is an instantly recognisable football name which has gravitas and weight. His experience and ability as a player is a huge and combining that with his record at Southampton, you can see why he was Moshiri's first choice.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2016, 06:04:35 PM
Do you think that is part of the reason we want Koeman?  To help convince Stones to stay?  I know that won't be the sole reason, but perhaps the reason Moshiri wants him over Emery?

I think they probably had previous as it was an open secret he was in the thinking for Wenger's job when he goes, so Moshiri would probably have been party to those discussions as a shareholder and mate of Usmanov's.  I don't think the Stones angle is a consideration at all.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 07, 2016, 06:35:00 PM
It feels such an anti climax now. Glad we're getting Koeman, but it's dragging on so much that the moment is kind of lost. Still, we should have plenty of awesome moments over the summer with players coming in.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 07, 2016, 06:39:43 PM
I think they probably had previous as it was an open secret he was in the thinking for Wenger's job when he goes, so Moshiri would probably have been party to those discussions as a shareholder and mate of Usmanov's.  I don't think the Stones angle is a consideration at all.

All that Koeman to Arsenal talks are a bit silly.
It was an 'open secret' not so long ago that Martinez was in the thinking for Barcelona manager's work.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2016, 06:45:08 PM
I don't feel like it's dragging on or it's a saga or whatever. Koeman's not long got back from his holiday.

It takes time to sort out getting someone out of a contract, the same with some of the backroom staff.

I really feel like most of this 'drama' is in people's heads. Chill out, enjoy the weather, enjoy other stuff in your life and let things take their course.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ell Capitan on June 07, 2016, 06:47:59 PM
Do you think that is part of the reason we want Koeman?  To help convince Stones to stay?  I know that won't be the sole reason, but perhaps the reason Moshiri wants him over Emery?

If that's the case Moshiri would've done well to consider what Lovren and Shaw thought about staying at Southampton after Koeman was announced.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MIG on June 07, 2016, 06:52:58 PM
I don't feel like it's dragging on or it's a saga or whatever. Koeman's not long got back from his holiday.

It takes time to sort out getting someone out of a contract, the same with some of the backroom staff.

I really feel like most of this 'drama' is in people's heads. Chill out, enjoy the weather, enjoy other stuff in your life and let things take their course.
Compare it to Mourinho to United and this is practically flying through.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ell Capitan on June 07, 2016, 06:55:34 PM
Though, to be fair, when Koeman got that phone call from Liverpool about Lovren he must’ve thought he’d hit the jackpot managing in the PL:

“So Lovren, Lallana, and Lambert… How much do you want?”
“err, fifty pence?”
“sorry the line’s not great Ron, was that fifty million? call it forty-nine and it’s a deal”.

*Liverpool transfer committee all pat each other on the back about their amazing negotiating skills*

At least there can be no doubt our manager knows what a bunch of fucktards they are across the park.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MIG on June 07, 2016, 07:10:21 PM
"If Ronald Koeman makes his expected move north to Everton, eight of the ten clubs that finished between fourth and 13th in the Premier League last season will begin this summer transfer window with a different manager than 12 months ago. Of the five under-achieving clubs who ended the season unhappy with their league position, Koeman is taking over the team with the most enviable resources and the least pressure. Everton are the Premier League’s ultimate blank canvas in a league of new managerial starts; it’s little wonder that the Dutchman was tempted by a move five places down the table.

Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho will be given more money but significantly higher expectations, Jurgen Klopp will need to deliver more than failure in cup finals and Antonio Conte – without the distraction of European football – will see the top four as a minimum requirement for Chelsea. And then there is Koeman at Everton, who will reportedly be given £100m to buy half a new team and then deliver what should actually be par for the club: A top-eight finish and a modicum of entertainment.

Koeman has quietly worked small miracles at Southampton. As I have written elsewhere, ‘it seems absurd that Southampton could in two seasons sell – deep breath – Rickie Lambert, Dejan Lovren, Adam Lallana, Luke Shaw, Callum Chambers, Nathaniel Clyne and Schneiderlin – and not just survive, but thrive’. Each time it seems like Southampton have looked up at a glass ceiling and got dizzy, they have taken a small hammer and made a crack just wide enough to squeeze through.

There will always be those who question the logic of Koeman joining a club further down the table (presumably the same people who scoff at Jamie Vardy potentially leaving the champions for Arsenal), but the combination of a bigger transfer budget, a larger fanbase, the promise of a new stadium and a squad already containing three young footballers valued at more than £40m would tempt all but a handful of Premier League managers. In this job, Koeman will need no hammer because the ceiling is far, far above where Everton are sitting uncomfortably close to Swansea and Watford.

Everton could sell one or perhaps even two of their crown jewels – it looks increasingly like Ross Barkley will be the man left behind – and Koeman would still have the money to create a team to compete with Stoke, West Ham and Southampton rather than trail in their wake like a sulking child. He could build a side with a view to a weak top-four challenge in three seasons’ time and become a hero at a club desperate for a manager to deliver more than ‘phenomenal’ words.

For all the plaudits piled on Barkley, John Stones and Romelu Lukaku, Everton’s fans are so disillusioned that the last two players anointed Player of the Year were Phil Jagielka and Gareth Barry, now 33 and 35. The message is clear: All that glitters is not gold. They have heard enough bulls**t and watched enough predictable football that steady, quiet progress will be welcomed and appreciated. Evertonians will not expect to win a trophy in the next two seasons but they do expect not to be laughed at or ignored.

Everton could conceivably start the season with not just a new manager but six or seven new first-team players, which will be a relief to all those who watched Arouna Kone start 16 Premier League games last season. Even their 18-goal striker and the next Rio Ferdinand leaving the club will not prick the balloons of those celebrating the exit of a naked Spanish emperor and the injection of real money unlikely to be spent on a £13.5m striker from Russia who barely looks like a footballer.

Nil satis nisi optimum? Right now, most Everton fans will settle for better rather than best. Those reduced expectations, coupled with significant resources, make this a very attractive proposition for an ambitious manager ready to put down his hammer, pick up a paintbrush and start making marks on that vast blank canvas."

Sarah Winterburn
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ari on June 07, 2016, 07:11:25 PM
I'm tired of waiting.  Is it happening.  Is Koeman koming?  :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 07, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
I'm tired of waiting.  Is it happening.  Is Koeman koming?  :)

Yes, of course he is coming, unless your name is @Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196). Who refuses to believe it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 07, 2016, 07:24:27 PM
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Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 07, 2016, 07:58:43 PM
I don't feel like it's dragging on or it's a saga or whatever. Koeman's not long got back from his holiday.

It takes time to sort out getting someone out of a contract, the same with some of the backroom staff.

I really feel like most of this 'drama' is in people's heads. Chill out, enjoy the weather, enjoy other stuff in your life and let things take their course.

I don't feel it's a saga, everything is being done properly. Just ready to move on with the next phase is all.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 07, 2016, 08:02:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Zho6A0o.gif)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 07, 2016, 08:15:34 PM
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/480/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2016/6/7/tweet-740098389111676928-2.jpg)

After his Wayne Hennessy (sp?) shout the other day, I'm trying not to take notice of anything Nev says for the time being.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2016, 09:03:13 PM
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/everton-have-accepted-mediocrity-too-long-looks-a-new-age-ambition#:IEdLyY4ab5N9UA

Interesting article on Koeman in 4-4-2, with a few select passages:

Quote
...the Dutchman is a manager in high demand. It's aggressive and, for the first time in a generation, it shows Everton behaving in a predatory way.

Ambitious clubs take what they want, they don't just gather low-hanging fruit; this is a big club's move and one which makes a muscular statement.

It's also very astute from a technical standpoint. Before recommending Koeman's appointment in 2014, Les Reed diligently analysed his performance at Feyenoord. What he saw was a manager who overachieved in spite of the financial dysfunction at De Kuip and who, over three years, developed a reputation for building rigidly organised teams in spite of high player turnover.

He was ideal. At the time, Southampton were the victims of a dispiriting talent drain and, as the last two seasons have proved, Koeman's training ground acumen and drill sergeant discipline were the perfect mastic for the club's fractured parts.

Those qualities will be just as valued by his new employer. Who better to cure the club's continual defensive weakness than a manager who, in his only two years in English football, created two of the Premier League's stingiest backlines? While Martinez had the talent available to theoretically deliver on the Champions League promise he made to Bill Kenwright, he was never able to build the encasing structure which would have allowed him to cash that cheque.

Koeman, you suspect, has a far greater chance. His organisational qualities are superior and it's not a coincidence that Nathaniel Clyne, Ryan Bertrand and Jose Fonte all became international defenders under his direction. Not that he employs an overly negative approach either: Sadio Mane has developed into a far more consistent player over the last two years, Graziano Pelle performed well enough to earn his first caps for Italy, and Shane Long is currently playing the best football of his career.

In addition to enhancing existing resources, he's also the right head coach to guide Everton along their likely future course. With new ownership have come bold promises of investment and, with personnel issues to solve in almost every area of the pitch, this could be one of the most ambitious summers in memory.

If that is the case – if a wholesale upgrade is initiated – Koeman's ability to forge a cohesive team in a short space of time will become relevant again. Rival supporters will continue to argue over the merits of leaving Southampton or over what he might have been able to achieve had he stayed, but from Everton's perspective there's no clear downside.

Unlike with Moyes and his cautious football or Martinez and his known fragilities, this appointment isn't a trade-off between good and bad, and the club aren't just employing a coach who has a lack of better options. This Everton – the one making bold moves to suit their purposes – can be reconciled with that glowing history and begin to reconcentrate their diluted culture.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 07, 2016, 09:06:52 PM
The "blank canvas" theory is one that I can get behind.  If Rom and Stones both leave, as I expect they will (I think a better chance that Rom stays one last year, only because we are set up for a Stones bidding war and I am not sure anyone will meet our price on Rom), then Koeman will have upwards of 200m to create his own vision here, and ample time to see it come together.

We certainly have enough "bones" in place to be mid-table no matter the growing pains, so we can afford to be ambitious and creative.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Waltzer on June 07, 2016, 09:18:10 PM
The "blank canvas" theory is one that I can get behind.  If Rom and Stones both leave, as I expect they will (I think a better chance that Rom stays one last year, only because we are set up for a Stones bidding war and I am not sure anyone will meet our price on Rom), then Koeman will have upwards of 200m to create his own vision here, and ample time to see it come together.

We certainly have enough "bones" in place to be mid-table no matter the growing pains, so we can afford to be ambitious and creative.

I agree although within this im a little fearful, yes Koeman has transferred Southampton twice having sold a majority of his squad but I worry if we lost Lukaku and Stones even with 200 million it would be a massive step to satisfy some, and the negativity of finishing 8th or 9th after spending so much would be seen as failure, despite the huge rebuilding work that was done. I think Koeman is just what we need but I think the real proof will be in his second season and there will be ups and downs this coming season.

For me I think we need a new keeper, 2 CBs (if Stone leaves), right back cover, centre mid to replace Barry, left winger and 2 strikers if Rom goes,1 if he stays. Thats a big transition for anyone.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2016, 09:23:54 PM
It's only when you strip it down that you realise it's a pretty sizeable rebuilding process the new manager will have on. A load of experienced heads are out of contract, two of our most talented youngsters have expressed a desire to leave in the past 9 months and if they go what you are left with are experienced players heading towards the end of their career, a load of youngsters and a big pot of cash. Arguably there's only Coleman, McCarthy, Funes Mori and Mirallas who you would say were in or around their prime years. It might take the new man a few transfer windows to get the squad he wants.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2016, 09:31:59 PM
Still think we should and will keep Stones.

Big Ronald'll have him defending like a boss in no time.
Title: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 07, 2016, 09:35:41 PM
Would be so Everton if he doesn't come.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 07, 2016, 09:37:12 PM
If i was John Stones, i would be very excited about Koeman coming in. Google "best defenders ever", and Koeman pops up on the top bar without scrolling across.

If i was advising him, then his career plan would be to stay at Everton for 2-3 more years, become a first team Everton and England regular, and then look for the big move to a top 5 European side at around 25 years old should he progress to the heights that we think he can achieve.

In the meantime, Everton will pay him very well, and he will gain experience from an excellent coach/manager, and continue to play in what we all hope will be a very competitive Premier League team.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 07, 2016, 09:46:07 PM
If i was John Stones, i would be very excited about Koeman coming in. Google "best defenders ever", and Koeman pops up on the top bar without scrolling across.

If i was advising him, then his career plan would be to stay at Everton for 2-3 more years, become a first team Everton and England regular, and then look for the big move to a top 5 European side at around 25 years old should he progress to the heights that we think he can achieve.

In the meantime, Everton will pay him very well, and he will gain experience from an excellent coach/manager, and continue to play in what we all hope will be a very competitive Premier League team.


I hope John Stones isn't just googling his life choices.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Heisenberg on June 07, 2016, 10:00:36 PM
Deal agreed say BBC
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Chrisknms on June 07, 2016, 10:01:48 PM
finally..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36455355

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Heisenberg on June 07, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
Even better news! sammy lee set to stay at southampton.

Get the champagne
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2016, 10:08:57 PM
@Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) probably still won't accept it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 07, 2016, 10:09:40 PM
Welcome Ronald
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bigmanbob on June 07, 2016, 10:10:06 PM
So what players can we rob from Southampton then?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 07, 2016, 10:10:57 PM
Unless the rumors are true that he signed a "no poaching" agreement, I'd like to see us go for Forster and VVD

Don't think we will get anyone from saints though.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thom on June 07, 2016, 10:12:56 PM
Cracking. Just need the OS to officially confirm it and we can all look forward to a summer filled with transfer rumours.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 07, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
Hold up.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-deny-koeman-deal-become-11440045

Everton are denying reports that they have reached a breakthrough in their talks with Southampton over Ronald Koeman's compensation.

The BBC are reporting that the Blues have agreed to pay the South Coast club around £5m, thus paving the way for him to be announced as Roberto Martinez's successor.

But an Everton spokesman denied the report saying it was untrue.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 07, 2016, 10:18:31 PM
Not arsed, seriously can't be arsed reading any more of these "Has he/Hasn't he" headlines, the fact is he will be coming here.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 07, 2016, 10:19:12 PM
this is proper fucking boring now.

makes me miss a Martinez vs Moyes debate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MIG on June 07, 2016, 10:21:04 PM
I can't ever remember BBC ever getting a breaking news story like this wrong, they always wait until its dead set.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2016, 10:21:09 PM
Is it too early for a 'Koeman out' thread?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2016, 10:21:29 PM
Hold up.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-deny-koeman-deal-become-11440045

Everton are denying reports that they have reached a breakthrough in their talks with Southampton over Ronald Koeman's compensation.

The BBC are reporting that the Blues have agreed to pay the South Coast club around £5m, thus paving the way for him to be announced as Roberto Martinez's successor.

But an Everton spokesman denied the report saying it was untrue.

Probably pissed off that the BBC have announced it before us, there were loads of rumours saying it would be announced at 4.30 today
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 07, 2016, 10:22:32 PM
the fitness coach will be in for a surprise!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2016, 10:24:50 PM
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 07, 2016, 10:24:57 PM
Wonder if these stubborn tactics are going to be replicated in transfer negotiations as well this summer?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 07, 2016, 10:25:39 PM
C'mon, when have The Echo ever liked us having any good news before their beloved reds?

Never!

Why anyone takes any notice of that rag I never know.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Everton Mint on June 07, 2016, 10:28:44 PM
Funny the way so many here hate Moyes after 'the way he left'...

But no-one is bothered that Koeman has done it in a much worse way to Soton coming here...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 07, 2016, 10:29:27 PM
The fitness coach might find a changing room a little stuffy....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 07, 2016, 10:29:59 PM
Funny the way so many here hate Moyes after 'the way he left'...

But no-one is bothered that Koeman has done it in a much worse way to Soton coming here...

Cos he's incoming, not outgoing. Leave that shit to Southampton.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheBlueBrony on June 07, 2016, 10:34:13 PM
Funny the way so many here hate Moyes after 'the way he left'...

But no-one is bothered that Koeman has done it in a much worse way to Soton coming here...

Except that was done while the season was still going. And he thought he could get our best players for 10p and a Caramac.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 07, 2016, 10:34:32 PM
Finally. Let silly season begin!.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2016, 10:38:17 PM
Funny the way so many here hate Moyes after 'the way he left'...

But no-one is bothered that Koeman has done it in a much worse way to Soton coming here...

Slightly different. Moyes was part of the furniture here for 11 years, was very handsomely paid for that time and had been speaking to Man U and Fergie at least 6 months before he left us, on the sly. He also disrespected us immediately, with the 'holding players' careers back' comment.

Koeman's joining his 9th club, has only been there 2 years, and the widespread expectation of Soton fans was that he'd leave probably next season anyway.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2016, 10:40:12 PM
C'mon, when have The Echo ever liked us having any good news before their beloved reds?

Never!

Why anyone takes any notice of that rag I never know.

Remember when Klopp arrived at he dark side, they basically filled the first dozen pages with his bullshit, I reckon we will get a couple of polite paragraphs.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: telstar on June 07, 2016, 10:41:20 PM
The Red Echo is in denial about good news for us. They are gutted that we are about to turn their world upside-down...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 07, 2016, 10:41:25 PM
Remember when Klopp arrived at he dark side, they basically filled the first dozen pages with his bullshit, I reckon we will get a couple of polite paragraphs.

Probably.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 07, 2016, 10:51:21 PM
Fuck off Le Tissier.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 07, 2016, 10:54:25 PM
Fuck off Le Tissier.

I read his thing on the BBC Sport site, and after moaning about Koeman he finished off with the sentence "The players will show more loyalty and stay.."

Just like they did three years back.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2016, 11:04:11 PM
Fuck off Le Tissier.

This is him right now


(https://media.giphy.com/media/szU7m4hKn2jsc/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Polledreng on June 07, 2016, 11:15:14 PM
Funny the way so many here hate Moyes after 'the way he left'...

But no-one is bothered that Koeman has done it in a much worse way to Soton coming here...
you Seem to remember something that didn't happen. Moyes Got a marvelous sending off After the last game.... Only when People realised he had agreed to join United without telling Everton about it.  Ooohh and Koeman hasn't tried to buy two players for the Price of one....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Polledreng on June 07, 2016, 11:17:20 PM
Except that was done while the season was still going. And he thought he could get our best players for 10p and a Caramac.
spot on... how you came to like Everton Mints post I'll never now...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 07, 2016, 11:25:18 PM
Echo now saying that his agent has confirmed the deal is done.

The OS obviously wanting to keep up tradition of being last to break the news.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 07, 2016, 11:32:39 PM
Is it too early for a 'Koeman out' thread?

Could call it "Koe-man go."
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 07, 2016, 11:36:47 PM
Could call it "Koe-man go."
And the protest could be throwing mangos onto the pitch not tennis balls.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 07, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Isn't that part of the long-form follow-up to NSNO?  Those who do not understand do not matter.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 07, 2016, 11:41:58 PM
Vinny o'Conner saying that there is no clause preventing Koeman going back in for players.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MexicanToffee on June 07, 2016, 11:42:58 PM
And the protest could be throwing mangos onto the pitch not tennis balls.

I'm guessing that would be rather expensive in the UK.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: phillyt on June 07, 2016, 11:45:14 PM
Thought I'd recycle a song from the last manager issnit, like what the cool kids do.

Roberto had a dream,
To build our football team.
Turned out he was shit,
So we got koeman instead.
Now we're good at the back
And boss in attack,
The school of science is
Possibly back.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 07, 2016, 11:47:49 PM
Thought I'd recycle a song from the last manager issnit, like what the cool kids do.

Roberto had a dream,
To build our football team.
Turned out he was shit,
So we got koeman instead.
Now we're good at the back
And boss in attack,
The school of science is
Possibly back.



No.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shropshire Blue on June 07, 2016, 11:57:42 PM
He's coming to Everton for more money in a year than most/ all of us will ever see in our lifetime. He'll hold up the shirt, kiss the badge and tell us what a special club we are. Let's just live the dream for 2 years before we get tired of him and tell him to eff off or he goes off to a bigger club and holds up the shirt, kisses the badge and tells them what a special club they are.
He has a year left on his contract at Southampton and he's leaving. To them that's disloyal, to us it's career progression. It's  different for eg, Lukaku, who believes himself good enough to play in a top achieving team and wants it. That's disloyalty!!
If hypocrisy and irony were ever effectively removed from forums like this they would instantly die!!!☺
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blueToffee on June 07, 2016, 11:57:55 PM
"Koeman, who has been headhunted by new Everton owner Farhad Moshiri, will sign a deal reported to be worth about £6m a year.

The former Netherlands international, who is on holiday, will take brother Erwin and fitness coach Jan Kluitenberg with him to Goodison Park."

---------

I'm almost as excited by the prospect of a new fitness coach.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2016, 12:00:35 AM

"Koeman, who has been headhunted by new Everton owner Farhad Moshiri, will sign a deal reported to be worth about £6m a year.

The former Netherlands international, who is on holiday, will take brother Erwin and fitness coach Jan Kluitenberg with him to Goodison Park."

---------

I'm almost as excited by the prospect of a new fitness coach.

He's in for a shock!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 08, 2016, 12:03:20 AM
John motson saying Everton are not bigger club than Southampton. Are some of these morons for real!!

Granted we'v had a terrible 2 years but Jesus fucking Christ...

Have Southampton done anything ever other than have a good couple of seasons just now and hogged "le tiss" at the sake of his own career.

A nothing club that will never do nothing more than they have already done. Can't say I have ever seen a shirt or supporter anywhere other than in Southampton.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 08, 2016, 12:09:39 AM
@Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) probably still won't accept it.

It's official now.
Come on Ronald. my favourite ever CB. Was my hero growing up.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 08, 2016, 12:11:14 AM
Official where?

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Fynci on June 08, 2016, 12:13:37 AM
Official where?

BBC are reporting it at least
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 08, 2016, 12:30:32 AM
you Seem to remember something that didn't happen. Moyes Got a marvelous sending off After the last game.... Only when People realised he had agreed to join United without telling Everton about it.  Ooohh and Koeman hasn't tried to buy two players for the Price of one....

I‘m really sorry for encouraging another Moyes debate but I find it amusing how people are pissed off at Moyes because he offered too little money for Everton players.

1.   It‘s not the manager‘s job to price the players so it‘s not Moyes fault.
2.   What‘s the problem with that? If you think the sum is not appropriate, you don‘t sell. That‘s why we have kept Baines.
3.   United have overpayed for Fellaini.




P.S. All that „bigger club“ shit is even more boring than Moyes debate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 08, 2016, 12:32:15 AM
More like Ronald Blueman.

Am I rite lads?

Lads?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 08, 2016, 12:34:09 AM
With the compo agreed it will surely be tomorrow. There can't be too much to discuss when we're offering £6m a year (especially when it seems we've been tapping him up for a month).
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 08, 2016, 12:49:59 AM
Footballs Koeman home, It's Koeman home, It's Koeman home, It's Koeman.......
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2016, 12:51:37 AM
 
Footballs Koeman home, It's Koeman home, It's Koeman home, It's Koeman.......

 :woohoo:  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2016, 12:54:43 AM
It's taken so long, but I'm happy to come out of my koema.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 08, 2016, 12:56:39 AM
Doesn't look like James Ward-Prowse will be following

https://mobile.twitter.com/WxrdProwse/status/740212335256690692?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet



Unless that's a jarg account
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 08, 2016, 12:56:40 AM
FFS just announce it Everton so I can bank my winnings!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2016, 12:57:45 AM
I‘m really sorry for encouraging another Moyes debate but I find it amusing how people are pissed off at Moyes because he offered too little money for Everton players.

1.   It‘s not the manager‘s job to price the players so it‘s not Moyes fault.
2.   What‘s the problem with that? If you think the sum is not appropriate, you don‘t sell. That‘s why we have kept Baines.
3.   United have overpayed for Fellaini.




P.S. All that „bigger club“ shit is even more boring than Moyes debate.

Agree with you.. but I was just trying to tell that Evertonians didn't "hate" Moyes when he left....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 08, 2016, 12:59:35 AM
We've just bagged ourselves a potentially great manager, albeit at a price, one that Moshiri was obviously willing to pay and has been for a few weeks now. Forget the likes of Moyes and Martinez once and for all. We always seem to rant on about how shit some of our managers have been, let's embrace the new boss.

Welcome to Everton Ronald Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 08, 2016, 01:06:12 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_five_live

Talking about Koeman now
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Optimistic Blue on June 08, 2016, 01:06:26 AM
I understand that i am probably completely alone on this opinion but i am really not a fan of poaching our "rivals" managers. Southampton are a better team than us at the minute and the only reason Koeman is joining us is because of the money, i just don't like the idea of getting better by simply weakening our rivals. Its spurs like behaviour and not really in the competitive spirit.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 08, 2016, 01:07:05 AM
I understand that i am probably completely alone on this opinion but i am really not a fan of poaching our "rivals" managers. Southampton are a better team than us at the minute and the only reason Koeman is joining us is because of the money, i just don't like the idea of getting better by simply weakening our rivals. Its spurs like behaviour and not really in the competitive spirit.

And the alternative is?...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 08, 2016, 01:07:40 AM
I understand that i am probably completely alone on this opinion but i am really not a fan of poaching our "rivals" managers. Southampton are a better team than us at the minute and the only reason Koeman is joining us is because of the money, i just don't like the idea of getting better by simply weakening our rivals. Its spurs like behaviour and not really in the competitive spirit.


It is a dog eat dog world mate, and will always happen.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 08, 2016, 01:09:47 AM
I understand that i am probably completely alone on this opinion but i am really not a fan of poaching our "rivals" managers. Southampton are a better team than us at the minute and the only reason Koeman is joining us is because of the money, i just don't like the idea of getting better by simply weakening our rivals. Its spurs like behaviour and not really in the competitive spirit.


Unless a manager is out of work that's the way it will usually be
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2016, 01:11:25 AM
All I've seen on Twitter for about 5 days straight now is random Everton fans saying that were 'making Southamptons heads fall off'
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2016, 01:16:47 AM

Unless a manager is out of work that's the way it will usually be

Yes; unless you're taking punts on teams outside of the division etc.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: april on June 08, 2016, 01:17:17 AM
Koeman feel the noize....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 08, 2016, 01:25:50 AM
Footy is a business.  Shit or be shat upon.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 08, 2016, 01:26:13 AM
I understand that i am probably completely alone on this opinion but i am really not a fan of poaching our "rivals" managers. Southampton are a better team than us at the minute and the only reason Koeman is joining us is because of the money, i just don't like the idea of getting better by simply weakening our rivals. Its spurs like behaviour and not really in the competitive spirit.


Probably alone ? Mate I'm surprised that post doesn't echo. Think you need to change your avatar as well, it's Moshiri now.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 08, 2016, 01:33:17 AM
Doesn't look like James Ward-Prowse will be following

https://mobile.twitter.com/WxrdProwse/status/740212335256690692?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet



Unless that's a jarg account

Yup, it's a jarg account.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 08, 2016, 01:35:18 AM
I understand that i am probably completely alone on this opinion but i am really not a fan of poaching our "rivals" managers. Southampton are a better team than us at the minute and the only reason Koeman is joining us is because of the money, i just don't like the idea of getting better by simply weakening our rivals. Its spurs like behaviour and not really in the competitive spirit.

You're not alone.

BUT. Whether you like it or not, it's a business. Everton need to start treating it like one. You think Bayern give a shit about taking every decent player from the rest of the bundesliga?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 08, 2016, 01:48:20 AM
Wonder how long it will be before we start abusing him on Twitter
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 08, 2016, 01:49:40 AM
Wonder how long it will be before we start abusing him on Twitter

We have to give him the first 10 games.

or is it we have to give him till Christmas?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plowman2 on June 08, 2016, 02:46:07 AM
Do I not like this!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: brap2 on June 08, 2016, 02:47:16 AM
Wonder how long it will be before we start abusing him on Twitter

Before the first ball is kicked, guarantee it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2016, 02:53:36 AM
Big bad Everton buying a manager from another club, we should all be incredibly ashamed blah blah blah.

The year's of us getting gazumped over players has gone, the year's of us with no money to spend and relying on player sales has gone, the years of "plucky Everton punching above their weight" has gone. We've suffered more that most during the premier league years, we deserve this, we deserve a manager that will get us success, so we went out and got one, if we've upset people along the way then so be it, so let them winge and have a go, we dont care what anyone says, the future is orange, the future is blue, the future is EVERTON FC.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bacon sarnie on June 08, 2016, 02:55:48 AM
Koeman feel the noize....

Sammy Lee must feel a bit slade.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Everton Mint on June 08, 2016, 03:21:00 AM
OK, but if Koeman does a great job here in the next two years and then another club come in for him and he leaves us, NO-ONE be the least bit surprised or hurt.  You already know the kind of man he is, that's all I'm saying.

As for Moyes, the job he did for 11 years (not two) entitled him to go when and how he did. And its wasn't to some average club, it was Manchester United.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 08, 2016, 03:30:21 AM
OK, but if Koeman does a great job here in the next two years and then another club come in for him and he leaves us, NO-ONE be the least bit surprised or hurt.  You already know the kind of man he is, that's all I'm saying.

As for Moyes, the job he did for 11 years (not two) entitled him to go when and how he did. And its wasn't to psome average club, it was Manchester United.

Fair point but Ronnie hasn't been touched yet.. if he gets us like Bally refered to, he might stay a bit longer. Either way I'm semi'd just knowing Martinez has gone and i won't have to suffer anymore. Managing our expectations will be his biggest challenge. Onward Evertonians!!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cassius on June 08, 2016, 03:32:49 AM
OK, but if Koeman does a great job here in the next two years and then another club come in for him and he leaves us, NO-ONE be the least bit surprised or hurt.  You already know the kind of man he is, that's all I'm saying.

As for Moyes, the job he did for 11 years (not two) entitled him to go when and how he did. And its wasn't to some average club, it was Manchester United.

If Ronald leaves us for more money and to a club that spends more money, it's because he's done a great job at Everton and probably got us in to Europe and challenging. Otherwise he leaves because we've told him to.

And if he leaves then fuck him, we'll go out and get someone better. It won't surprise me or hurt me, I'll move on.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Zoolander on June 08, 2016, 03:38:42 AM

OK, but if Koeman does a great job here in the next two years and then another club come in for him and he leaves us, NO-ONE be the least bit surprised or hurt.  You already know the kind of man he is, that's all I'm saying.

As for Moyes, the job he did for 11 years (not two) entitled him to go when and how he did. And its wasn't to some average club, it was Manchester United.
True.
Although if he does a great job here then his move elsewhere would be to one of the world's top clubs and I wouldn't begrudge him of that.
Or he does a great job and stays because he'd be at a top club, one that he helped rebuild to make it so.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2016, 03:40:11 AM
Koeman feel the noize....
that was brilliant.... Thought I was the only one old enough to remember Slade
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 08, 2016, 03:40:18 AM
I'm cautiously optimistic.

I think people are going slightly over the top in regards to what kind of statement this makes.

This is something the likes of Liverpool and Spurs have been doing for years.

It just puts up back amongst the chasing pack but doesn't really set us apart from anyone.

A bit of organisation and discipline could be what this team needs to flourish though.

Overall I'm optimistic about what this appointment may hold, but my cock is staying firmly in my trousers.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 08, 2016, 03:42:22 AM

   Too long in the tooth to get over optimistic but  glad theres some money behind us at last, never been as relieved
to be shut of an everton manager since gordon lee so the only way must be up, it certainly couldnt be worse than the second
half of this season.....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 08, 2016, 03:43:04 AM
I'll believe this when I see it, but perhaps Koeman already has...
https://twitter.com/Barry1878/status/740240004623044608
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 08, 2016, 03:47:06 AM
I'll believe this when I see it, but perhaps Koeman already has...
https://twitter.com/Barry1878/status/740240004623044608

Was just reading that then.

Apparently he called the Moshiri investment way before it actually happened.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Simon Paul on June 08, 2016, 03:49:29 AM
Was just reading that then.

Apparently he called the Moshiri investment way before it actually happened.

that line has been the line for months

"We can go out and buy whoever we want this summer" was said to me before the Anfield derby, for instance
Title: Koeman
Post by: Zoolander on June 08, 2016, 03:51:12 AM
I'll believe this when I see it, but perhaps Koeman already has...
https://twitter.com/Barry1878/status/740240004623044608
A bit of wee just came out....


I'll agree though that I think we'll be spending more than suggested.
Although talk of messi is daft.
City, Man U and Chelsea aside - I don't think we'll be below anyone in the financial stakes. (Anyhow, messi? Nah neymar's younger ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 08, 2016, 03:53:41 AM

This is something the likes of Liverpool and Spurs have been doing for years.



Hes bigger news than Harry Redknapp and Brendan Rodgers. That's for sure.

The fact that he was 'earmarked' as Wengers replacement is great indication of the regard our new manager is held in.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 08, 2016, 03:55:39 AM
I'll believe this when I see it, but perhaps Koeman already has...
https://twitter.com/Barry1878/status/740240004623044608

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/t.hanks_.gif)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Makis on June 08, 2016, 03:56:32 AM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/j9vd48.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 08, 2016, 04:01:06 AM
that was brilliant.... Thought I was the only one old enough to remember Slade

Favourite group as a teenager, bought every single, ah them was the days.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: brap2 on June 08, 2016, 04:01:35 AM
OK, but if Koeman does a great job here in the next two years and then another club come in for him and he leaves us, NO-ONE be the least bit surprised or hurt.  You already know the kind of man he is, that's all I'm saying.

As for Moyes, the job he did for 11 years (not two) entitled him to go when and how he did. And its wasn't to some average club, it was Manchester United.

The last time I was hurt or surprised by the actions of someone involved in this fucking horrible, corrupt but dangerously addictive "game", was Wayne Rooney, and it took me about a week to think - oh you know what actually yeah, that's what it's all about really isn't it?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 08, 2016, 04:01:42 AM
I'll believe this when I see it, but perhaps Koeman already has...
https://twitter.com/Barry1878/status/740240004623044608
'Kinell.  I just can't process that.  That we could be set to spend quadruple what we've spent in any window before, and potential equal to what we've ever spent before total? #mindblown
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 08, 2016, 04:07:30 AM
He gets 99% of his posts right.

I bet this post is the 1%
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bigjmill on June 08, 2016, 04:07:51 AM
I love all this but look.. it still takes us weeks to nail a manager! its been 24hours for the last week.. some things don't change :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 08, 2016, 04:08:56 AM
He gets 99% of his posts right.

I bet this post is the 1%

You are crazily pessimistic these days, Doc.

What's occuring?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 08, 2016, 04:09:46 AM
that line has been the line for months

"We can go out and buy whoever we want this summer" was said to me before the Anfield derby, for instance

Well, think about it. 100 million pounds could buy basically anyone in the world right now.... Problem is is that we would blow our wad on 1 guy and still have Tony fuckin Hibbert as our second choice right back.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 08, 2016, 04:10:03 AM
I love all this but look.. it still takes us weeks to nail a manager! its been 24hours for the last week.. some things don't change :)

Good point. we better start now if we going to sign 4-5 before the window closes
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 08, 2016, 04:11:10 AM
You are crazily pessimistic these days, Doc.

What's occuring?

Sometimes you read a post and a light goes on(or off in some cases) I think you right mate. I have been negative. Call it life I guess and move on.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 08, 2016, 04:15:59 AM
Even if it is true, I hope we're sensible and take incremental steps to improvement.

At this stage I don't think it's wise to upset the balance of the team by going out blowing 200 large a week on some top name player for instance.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 08, 2016, 04:20:48 AM
You are crazily pessimistic these days, Doc.

What's occuring?

It's Ramadan. He always gets like this when he hasn't eaten.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 08, 2016, 04:22:04 AM
Even if it is true, I hope we're sensible and take incremental steps to improvement.

At this stage I don't think it's wise to upset the balance of the team by going out blowing 200 large a week on some top name player for instance.

I want us to go proper mental to be honest.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: beyondblue on June 08, 2016, 04:24:43 AM
Imagine we went out and stole Payet from West Ham. The fewm would be oh so sweet
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2016, 04:24:44 AM
Quick, lets gazump city and get Abameyang
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 08, 2016, 04:28:00 AM
I'm not expecting a world star in any way, but if the inklings are true, we'll be able to get maybe 4 or 5 £20-30m players at least, and if they are good purchases in the positions we need, as well as getting more out of our best existing players, that could really make a huge difference to our team.

As hill says, it needs to be sustainable and well thought through.

But yeah, it's hard not to get quite excited.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Trowel on June 08, 2016, 04:40:32 AM
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/t.hanks_.gif)
Think we can sign better than André WILSAAAAAANNNN!?!?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ari on June 08, 2016, 04:44:35 AM
Will Sammy Lee follow Koeman to Everton?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kewns23 on June 08, 2016, 04:44:40 AM
I thought this a while ago

Is our chairman really the owner or is he just the man in place for the bigger fish

Rich men like to have both their toys, and he doesn't won't to sell to krokke

As long where run sensible and not like city I'd be made up
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 08, 2016, 04:48:40 AM
To be honest I think that a manager who can: devise a plan which has the players motivated and enjoying their football; bring back professionalism and discipline on and off the pitch; instil the importance of football fundamentals such as tactical balance, fitness & work rate, defensive organisation and the right mentality; and maintain a route to the first team for players emerging from our impressive academy will be sufficient to establish a good foundation for us to move up the table going forward.

I think Koeman can do all these things.

Any successful recruitment will be a bonus. 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 08, 2016, 04:52:41 AM
Will Sammy Lee follow Koeman to Everton?

No all's Koeman is bringing with him is his brother and his fitness coach, apparently we have plenty of garden gnomes already at finch farm.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 08, 2016, 05:41:21 AM
Let's not go over the top about who we might buy and how much we might spend this summer it's really early days.

Let's just start off with joe hart for 40m on 200k a week and see where we go from there.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 08, 2016, 05:51:10 AM
Will Sammy Lee follow Koeman to Everton?

Possibly we will need a replacement for Garth Barry soon..
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 08, 2016, 06:33:59 AM
Interesting comment from Balague in response to the Everton/Southampton 'bigger club' thing:

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/06/07/guillem-balague-comments-on-perception-of-everton-abroad/

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: AllyBlue14 on June 08, 2016, 06:51:56 AM
Good lad Guillem. We might not be in our best 'moment' right now, but that's what having a history does for you
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Optimistic Blue on June 08, 2016, 07:00:52 AM
Can we please stop with this bigger club crap as if it was genuinely a factor in Koeman joining us. He is here for the cash, pure and simple.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hannu on June 08, 2016, 07:03:58 AM
Can we please stop with this bigger club crap as if it was genuinely a factor in Koeman joining us. He is here for the cash, pure and simple.

i think he has heard about the scones the tea lady does and thats what swung it
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Optimistic Blue on June 08, 2016, 07:04:58 AM
i think he has heard about the scones the tea lady does and thats what swung it

Wouldn't be surprising, hes hardly the slightest of folk is he x
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 08, 2016, 07:08:26 AM
Interesting comment from Balague in response to the Everton/Southampton 'bigger club' thing:

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/06/07/guillem-balague-comments-on-perception-of-everton-abroad/


i'm not a fan of this "big club" debate. I really see no point. It's just all bitterness and anger.

If Soton fans want to get angry at someone they should take a look at their own club selling everyone and anyone possible.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 08, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
Can we please stop with this bigger club crap as if it was genuinely a factor in Koeman joining us. He is here for the cash, pure and simple.

i'm not a fan of this "big club" debate. I really see no point. It's just all bitterness and anger.

If Soton fans want to get angry at someone they should take a look at their own club selling everyone and anyone possible.

I'm not really interested in the Everton/Soton element of it. It was more that I thought it was interesting in terms of the disparity between the way some of our own fans perceive us (having had their expectations lowered for many years), and the way we're sometimes perceived externally.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 08, 2016, 10:06:55 AM
Can we please stop with this bigger club crap as if it was genuinely a factor in Koeman joining us. He is here for the cash, pure and simple.

One of Optimistic's more sincere posts, you can tell this as he hasn't put a "kiss" at the end of it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 08, 2016, 10:59:23 AM
Koeman came for the toffees.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 08, 2016, 12:40:09 PM
Would anyone really be questioning this "bigger club" thing if it wasn't for Southampton having a couple of very good season making Europe whilst we'v just had the worst couple of seasons in what 12 years. Would they fuck!

As far as keoman is concerned. He's a massively ambitious person. And whilst yes the wages being offered will have helped. To leave Southampton now with Europe on the cards and a team he's largely built himself to come here in our current "on the pitch state" he's been promised MASSIVE things!!

I honestly think IF utd had not been in the equation. Then Jose would of been our manager now. Moshiri is not just offering some cash to hopefully try and break into the top 4. He wants to challenge the elite and win titles!!

I don't think his money alone is enough to do this. So I'm positive there is someone else waiting in the wings to join him!

Exciting times. And keoman is very possibly a stepping stone for us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: april on June 08, 2016, 04:29:30 PM
that was brilliant.... Thought I was the only one old enough to remember Slade
I saw it once on TOTP2 ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 08, 2016, 04:57:23 PM
Live to Goodison park next on SSN.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: dax78 on June 08, 2016, 05:01:17 PM
I really would like an official statement from the club at this stage
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: dax78 on June 08, 2016, 05:13:59 PM
What was said???
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 08, 2016, 05:18:35 PM
What was said???

More than likely regurgitated news from last night.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 08, 2016, 06:23:34 PM
http://www.football365.com/news/welcome-to-everton-the-perfect-blank-canvas
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2016, 06:26:07 PM
When they talk about blank canvas, are they talking about the big patch of wall that used to have a big fuck off mural of Roberto on it?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2016, 06:29:19 PM
https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/740269882311380992
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: everton1952 on June 08, 2016, 06:29:21 PM
No, they mean the wall where the graffiti goes after 2 to 3 years, "Manager's name followed by get out of our club". I won't write Koeman at this stage, it would not be fair.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 08, 2016, 07:03:38 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/08/ronald-koeman-appointment-will-be-seen-as-day-everton-banished-u/?

Great article and very truthful.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Makis on June 08, 2016, 07:26:41 PM
Everyone else subscribed to Telegraph because you can't read it without?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 08, 2016, 07:28:32 PM
Everyone else subscribed to Telegraph because you can't read it without?

Nah, I think you can read it. It's the Times behind a paywall.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 08, 2016, 07:28:43 PM
Everyone else subscribed to Telegraph because you can't read it without?

Don't need to be subscribed - thats the Times. Do you have adblocker on as the Telegraph doesn't like that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 08, 2016, 07:31:16 PM
Confirmed from his holiday address. Fuck me this is exciting. :woohoo:




http://www.vi.nl/nieuws/koeman-bevestigt-nog-vandaag-akkoord-met-everton.htm
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 08, 2016, 07:33:08 PM
Ronald Koeman hopes Wednesday to finalize the final details with Everton . This confirms the success coach from his holiday address. Koeman signed a Liverpool topcontract and gets millions to invest in the club that performed disappointingly last season.
Earlier, Everton reached an agreement with Southampton. The Toffees are prepared to pay a hefty ransom for Koeman , as was stipulated in his contract. It is reportedly an amount of six million euros.

For Koeman Everton is a logical step forward in his career. He performed great with Southampton , the club had to sell his best players every year. Nevertheless Koeman The Saints led twice in a row to European football.

Everton ended last season in eleventh but under Koeman will again become a structural top performers in the Premier League .
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Makis on June 08, 2016, 07:52:08 PM
Nope, turned off Adblock and still got that "subscribe for less than £2 per week" message.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 08, 2016, 07:53:49 PM
Nope, turned off Adblock and still got that "subscribe for less than £2 per week" message.
Ronald Koeman appointment will be seen as day Everton banished undignified notion of being plucky outsider
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 Ronald Koeman
Ronald Koeman is moving closer to becoming Everton's next manager CREDIT: PA
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In luring Ronald Koeman from Southampton – confirmation is anticipated over the next 24 hours - Everton could not have made a more forceful statement reaffirming their standing as one of the Premier League’s aristocracy. Those querying this are in a state of denial.

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Everton made Koeman their No 1 target when Martinez was sacked CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
The Merseysiders may have a fair way to go to return to the elite of Europe, but they have proven themselves more attractive than Southampton. And like it or not – to men of Koeman’s ilk - size matters.

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Southampton fans, naturally, don’t like this reality check too much. It is difficult to comprehend why a manager who guided them to sixth and into Europe is heading north for a rebuilding job in a decaying stadium.

The question ‘why would Koeman leave Southampton for Everton?’ is not confined to the boundaries of St Mary’s Stadium, either, as if the multi-title, European Cup and European Championship winner was living the dream answering to Les Reed.

Roberto Martinez
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The answer lies in football’s Darwinism. When wealthier, more powerful, more historically rich institutions decide they want something they usually get it.

There is a pyramid with Real Madrid and Barcelona at the top, and although Evertonians have not been comfortable in their recent place – and are not yet 100 per cent certain where they currently fit - they know where they once where and where they should aspire to be.

We knew from the outset the outcome of the Goodison managerial chase would inform us if the new era of billionaire Farhad Moshiri could restore Everton’s appeal. We have our answer. Moshiri’s partnership with Bill Kenwright is in its infancy, but indications are the Everton chairman’s intuition when inviting the ex-Arsenal shareholder on board will be vindicated.

Everton only wanted Koeman. They only genuinely pursued Koeman. How reassuring and thrilling it is for the Gwladys Street they are about to unveil him. The questioning of his motives, financial or otherwise, should delight Everton rather than irritate.

In selling the Goodison blueprint to Koeman and trampling over a Premier League rival, Moshiri has shown Everton are ready to assume the roll of transfer bullies rather than browbeaten as has so often been the case in recent years. The preys are hunters again.


You can forgive Evertonians for indulging in smug satisfaction as the Dutchman prepares to put pen to paper. Some of the presumptuous, misguided volleys when it emerged Koeman topped the wish-list within hours of Roberto Martinez’s sacking demonstrated how little is understood about Moshiri’s intentions. One can only presume the continued insults regarding Everton’s stature are led by those who were initially dismissive.

Is a history lesson really necessary to explain why the Everton job is so attractive now resources are plentiful?

The football map of England has not changed so much since the Premier League was formed in 1992 but a generation has suffered collective amnesia. Everton are lords of the English game and although their capacity to challenge for the title has been dormant for too long, they’ve remained poised and waiting to resuscitate themselves.

Those spitting out that well-worn phrase ‘it’s about money’ win this year’s prize for stating the bloody obvious.

What an odd, and frankly immaterial, expression that is when applied to football. No sentence is delivered with a more blistered tongue. You don’t get it in any other profession.

When someone decides to leave one job, any job, to do the same thing elsewhere there is usually a casual shrug of the shoulders and presumption they’ve gone to do similar work for more cash. As you do.

“But he said he’d never leave us and then turned his head as soon as he was offered a £4 million a year pay rise…”

Well, quite… and your point is what exactly? I'm not speaking from experience here, but I'd take a stab in the dark £4 million quid extra tends to get your attention. Every declaration of allegiance in football – from both sides – is conditional and subject to immediate change in the event of extraordinary developments. It’s no reflection of Koeman’s character that Everton’s determination to get him shifted his view.

Of course it’s about money. It’s always about money. It will be about money if Southampton decide they want to lure Eddie Howe from Bournemouth, too. The Premier League is divided between the haves and the have-even-mores. Since Moshiri’s arrival, Everton have moved to another level and even Koeman may not have realised that when he first learned of the club’s interest.

Eddie Howe
Southampton are expected to target Eddie Howe
The reason Everton’s status has been undermined in the last 20 years is because others devalued them. When Manchester City and Manchester United decided it was Everton’s players or manager they wanted, more often than not there would be a period of resistance before the inevitable followed. Everton’s name has never been diminished, only their capacity to resist hostile bids.

Those falling victim to such economic reality cry about greed. Those benefiting talk of ambition. The side of the fence you sit on is always dictated by your club’s bank balance. Everton have crossed sides. The Koeman appointment will come to be seen as the day the club banished that undignified notion of being the plucky outsider.

Koeman’s sizeable pay hike was obviously integral to the move. That’s what big clubs do. They make offers that can’t be refused. They don’t baulk at the cost of acquiring the best. They tell the most coveted professionals to name their price and ensure negotiations progress from there.

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The alternatives to the (ex) Saints boss were swiftly filed the under the heading ‘contingency plan’. Manuel Pellegrini was apparently as unimpressive in a job interview as when answering questions in press conferences; David Moyes was spoken to out of respect to inform him he was not coming back; and although Frank De Boer seemed so keen he probably turned up to meet the Everton board in full-kit, he needs to convince he is a more multi-faceted coach before he moves to England.

Unai Emery would have been made an offer if Koeman had stayed put. Everton are more interested in Sevilla’s director of football, Monchi.

Moshiri is evidently a man who does not readily take no for an answer.

In seeing he is no bluffer in his pursuit of a manager, Koeman knows the Everton benefactor can be trusted when promising a transfer kitty to build a top-four side. With such a promise, of course he would leave Southampton to work in a city where football is part of the cultural identity.

With Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho, Jurgen Klopp and now Koeman within a 30-mile radius, football aficionados might as well pitch their tents in the north west next season.

Beyond a few anodyne quotes on the club’s website, Moshiri has not uttered a word in public since investing in Everton. In securing his prime managerial target, he has spoken volumes about how and where he intends to lead the club.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 08, 2016, 07:56:42 PM
Nope, turned off Adblock and still got that "subscribe for less than £2 per week" message.

Clear you cookies and history.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Makis on June 08, 2016, 08:04:58 PM
Thanks, Jimmy. I'd give you two likes if I could.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 08, 2016, 08:05:35 PM
Thanks, Jimmy. I'd give you two likes if I could.
Your welcome mate, its a good read isnt it
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Makis on June 08, 2016, 08:08:18 PM
Yep, this whole thing will require a change in attitude for us fans. Bascombe, probably because he's not, is able to look at this from afar and understands how things are changing.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 08, 2016, 08:16:40 PM
Great read that. I might print it and stick it on my wall to show all the glory supporting kids I teach just who Everton are
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 08, 2016, 08:24:46 PM
Clear you cookies and history.

I won't. History is what makes us a bigger club than Southampton.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 08, 2016, 08:26:18 PM
I have never read an article like it on Everton. It doesn't say potentially/might/trying/chance. It says things like "Everton have moved to another level", "Everton have crossed sides" and "The preys are hunters again". All extremely promising and if you can't get excited by an article like that, then you never will!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ari on June 08, 2016, 08:30:20 PM
Thanks, Jimmy. I'd give you two likes if I could.

Mee 2.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 08, 2016, 08:51:28 PM
Good read.

The opening statement:

"It’s not about saying you’re a big club. It’s not about taking offence when rivals dismiss the idea of you being a big club. It’s about proving you’re a big club; behaving like a big club; letting others superfluously debate your status while you go about being a big club.

In luring Ronald Koeman from Southampton – confirmation is anticipated over the next 24 hours - Everton could not have made a more forceful statement reaffirming their standing as one of the Premier League’s aristocracy. Those querying this are in a state of denial."

That pretty much nails on the head how I feel at the moment, for the first time in a good while, certainly for as long as I have been watching us (25+ years) we are actually starting to act like a big club with a bit of swagger.

I know it's early days etc and it could quite easily turn to shit but it is so refreshing seeing us with this approach.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2016, 08:54:30 PM
Just hope the lids don't expect miracles straight away, wont happen overnight
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blue slug on June 08, 2016, 08:56:06 PM
Really good read that, I cant help but start to get a bit moist. Like you say macca it wont happen overnight but a good steady rise up the table is definitely in the offing
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 08, 2016, 08:56:26 PM
Just hope the lids don't expect miracles straight away, wont happen overnight
A lot do, the twitter hysteria is unreal already

Top 4 or its a shit season
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sirblue57 on June 08, 2016, 08:58:53 PM
top 4? fuck, champions and a cup or he's shit  :hmph:






 ;D
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jamokachi on June 08, 2016, 09:02:54 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/08/ronald-koeman-appointment-will-be-seen-as-day-everton-banished-u/?

Great article and very truthful.

Great read! Cheers for that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alfie Noakes on June 08, 2016, 09:08:11 PM



Thanks for that! The article puts alot of things into perspective and generally makes me feel alot better about the whole situation.



edit- thanks to Gary1878 too!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Hawkandro on June 08, 2016, 09:36:58 PM
Just hope the lids don't expect miracles straight away, wont happen overnight

Exactly, I mean, it's taken what seems like 3 generations to wrap the deal up alone.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 08, 2016, 09:51:20 PM
I'm pretty sure we all have had or will have a wank over THAT article.  WOW.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Danny on June 08, 2016, 10:19:23 PM
Does anyone else just think another reason were a better club than Southampton is that we have a better team, we thrashed them even when we were playing shit.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 08, 2016, 10:26:06 PM
Just hope the lids don't expect miracles straight away, wont happen overnight

I honestly think with just the squad we have now. Any competent manager would of got us organized and top 8.

It really can't get any worse than it has been these last 2 years. Onwards and upwards !!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ridge on June 08, 2016, 10:51:24 PM
Actions always speak louder than words.

I think for all the talk of a huge payrise and the money to spend, I think it's possible Koeman may have been more influenced by stronger support and loyalty from the board and that because of that he'll be able to keep his best players.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2016, 10:54:29 PM
There is a real positive feeling about us at the moment isnt there, record season tickets sales, new owner, new manager with money to spend, we're not used to this
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 08, 2016, 11:02:28 PM
Actions always speak louder than words.

I think for all the talk of a huge payrise and the money to spend, I think it's possible Koeman may have been more influenced by stronger support and loyalty from the board and that because of that he'll be able to keep his best players.
Agreed

The fact that moshiri has made him number one, gone after him, showed him how much he values him and  sold the club to him must be a massive buzz to koeman

If saints wanted him that much they should have shown him
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2016, 11:14:19 PM
Just hope the lids don't expect miracles straight away, wont happen overnight

Probably what Leicester fans were saying last year ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: eame on June 08, 2016, 11:59:46 PM
Boss read and says it as it is.. Always frustrates me when 'SKY' talk about big clubs when really they mean rich clubs... Chelsea still aint as big as us.. They have won more recently but that's because they had money behind them. Hopefully we can rightly claim our 'big club' name with Sky .
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ridge on June 09, 2016, 12:12:48 AM
Fuck Sky
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 09, 2016, 12:53:51 AM
Soooo, is this happening?

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on June 09, 2016, 12:56:48 AM
I won't. History is what makes us a bigger club than Southampton.
And cookies and tea lady was apparently instrumental in persuading Koeman I've herad.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bigjmill on June 09, 2016, 01:04:35 AM
With the speed we operate even with a billionaire, I think as soon as this is done I am logging off, until transfer deadline day. Its going to be a long one!!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 09, 2016, 01:08:53 AM
Fucking hell. I'm getting more excited by the day

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-ready-smash-wage-structure-11445921
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 09, 2016, 01:14:54 AM
Wage is just a number.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 09, 2016, 01:25:24 AM
Fucking hell. I'm getting more excited by the day

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-ready-smash-wage-structure-11445921

Is there any source to back these claims up, Moshiri doesn't exactly talk much does he.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 09, 2016, 01:38:52 AM
Quote
Everton are willing to pay players six figure salaries after tax.

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Someone get Muller on the blower!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shogun on June 09, 2016, 01:40:21 AM
Is that a good thing?

Milner is on £100k a week.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 09, 2016, 01:42:55 AM
I wish we shut up and stop pricing up any moves we make.

Also, just announce it FFS!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 09, 2016, 01:47:58 AM
(https://media.riffsy.com/images/68ef99a081d6b9beae58f1fd5e348c71/raw)

Someone get Muller on the blower!

Showing your age there mate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 09, 2016, 02:06:53 AM
Showing your age there mate.

Yeah should have said mobile..
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 09, 2016, 02:07:56 AM
Is that a good thing?

Milner is on £100k a week.

There are a few exceptions of course.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sybilroad on June 09, 2016, 02:10:06 AM
Fo koeman I waited so long for u im bored already, yesterday's jam
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 09, 2016, 02:32:23 AM
Fo koeman I waited so long for u im bored already, yesterday's jam

Dunno.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: christiffa25 on June 09, 2016, 02:39:00 AM
Bloody hell its starting to look like we may have got what we always wanted!

Could be very exciting this next 5 years!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 09, 2016, 02:43:03 AM

Bloody hell its starting to look like we may have got what we always wanted!

Could be very exciting this next 5 years!!

It's felt like 5 years waiting for the announcement.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Danny on June 09, 2016, 02:50:34 AM
Whether it's Usmanov or someone else I can't help but think Moshiri is keeping us warm for someone else.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2016, 02:53:50 AM
Whether it's Usmanov or someone else I can't help but think Moshiri is keeping us warm for someone else.

There will certainly be a shake up at board room level if the rumors of Brian Gilvary and co are supposed to be joining the board.

Reckon when he takes over eventually he will have all of his own guys in, hopefully Ushmanov is one of them, can't see it though.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: arteta4spain on June 09, 2016, 04:55:41 AM
There will certainly be a shake up at board room level if the rumors of Brian Gilvary and co are supposed to be joining the board.

Reckon when he takes over eventually he will have all of his own guys in, hopefully Ushmanov is one of them, can't see it though.
Any idea how much this Gilvary is worth?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 09, 2016, 05:09:15 AM
There will certainly be a shake up at board room level if the rumors of Brian Gilvary and co are supposed to be joining the board.

Reckon when he takes over eventually he will have all of his own guys in, hopefully Ushmanov is one of them, can't see it though.

The ex BP guy?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 09, 2016, 05:12:46 AM
The ex BP guy?
Looks like.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 09, 2016, 05:15:32 AM
Looks like.

Interesting
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: arteta4spain on June 09, 2016, 05:16:29 AM
The ex BP guy?
Apparently so. Haha I was checking out premier league owners and if we got Usmanov in we'd be the second richest club in the Prem! I can't see Usmanov coming but if we can get someone who's of that strong a wealth and back us. We're back in the big time.
Don't know why but I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for us, hopefully!
I don't want to count my chickens, or get some delusions of grandeur but with what we've had to endure for so long, why can't we start to dream about decent players coming in and starting to compete for silverware and maybe even titles! (Yeah the later is far fetched but you never know!!!)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jacko4468 on June 09, 2016, 05:18:43 AM
Has Koeman been confirmed yet?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 09, 2016, 05:19:18 AM
Apparently so. Haha I was checking out premier league owners and if we got Usmanov in we'd be the second richest club in the Prem! I can't see Usmanov coming but if we can get someone who's of that strong a wealth and back us. We're back in the big time.
Don't know why but I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for us, hopefully!
I don't want to count my chickens, or get some delusions of grandeur but with what we've had to endure for so long, why can't we start to dream about decent players coming in and starting to compete for silverware and maybe even titles! (Yeah the later is far fetched but you never know!!!)

I'm the same. The last two seasons have knocked the stuffing out if me but it's nice to dream for a change
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 09, 2016, 05:22:08 AM
Has Koeman been confirmed yet?

Think he's Anglican mate? not sure they bother with that malarkey.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: robertdrumm1954 on June 09, 2016, 05:28:40 AM
Think he's Anglican mate? not sure they bother with that malarkey.
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Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 09, 2016, 05:28:47 AM
Think he's Anglican mate? not sure they bother with that malarkey.

They do, but it's not a Sacrament like in the Catholic Church
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2016, 05:43:24 AM
The ex BP guy?

Yep.

I presume he will have some sort of Directory role here.

Apparently he is an Evertonian too.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2016, 05:44:52 AM
Any idea how much this Gilvary is worth?

I don't think he is worth that much mate, I think his role if he is to join the board will be more of an executive position. I think he will be part of Moshiris future board when he gains full control in the future. This is the good thing about Moshiri having good business links.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 09, 2016, 06:13:37 AM
I can't see the Usmanov thing being true, wouldn't Moshiri have to sell some of his shares to him, within 12 months of just purchasing them.
Usmanov could only realistically purchase 25-30% of the remaining shares as a lot of share holders aren't traceable, and I would have thought he would want an equal split with Moshiri.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 09, 2016, 06:17:04 AM
The Gilvary rumour comes from one solitary person asking if he was an Evertonian based on 1 solitary reference he made in a stock call.


I fucking hate Twitter most of the time.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluestevie on June 09, 2016, 06:44:26 AM
Fo koeman I waited so long for u im bored already, yesterday's jam

Err English please?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 09, 2016, 07:12:33 AM
Err English please?

He/she is busy starting up the "who to replace Koeman?" thread, fo sho.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: American Evertonian on June 09, 2016, 07:34:43 AM
I wish we shut up and stop pricing up any moves we make.

Also, just announce it FFS!

Make moves....we don't even have a manager yet ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 09, 2016, 11:16:09 AM
Are we there yet?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 09, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
https://thisisnotfootball.co.uk/2016/06/09/are-we-koeman/
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 09, 2016, 03:21:47 PM
Stop fucking stressing, its done, will be confirmed when hes back off his hols
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 09, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
There is a real positive feeling about us at the moment isnt there, record season tickets sales, new owner, new manager with money to spend, we're not used to this

Yeah, and it's a pretty remarkable turnaround, especially when you consider where we were just about a month ago: in a state of despair and rage near the end of another awful season; concerns that the manager who authored it might get to hang around for another; protest planes; suffering through a 3-0 thumping by Sunderland everyone saw coming; debates about which result during the season was most depressing; questions about whether we should give Aiden McGeady a longer look; people talking about abandoning their support for the club; "Niasse appearances will be a bonus"; debate on whether the players should even bother with a lap of appreciation; rumors of Martin O'Neill and Jurgen Klinsmann.

We've come a long way, already. 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 09, 2016, 05:00:38 PM
Yep.

I presume he will have some sort of Directory role here.

Apparently he is an Evertonian too.

Yes I heard that. Born in Liverpool and grew up an Evertonian and now CFO of the one of the worlds biggest companies. Not a bad guy to have as a non-exec director when you're looking at acquiring the finance for a new stadium.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 09, 2016, 06:22:34 PM
Sill no announcement? I find this bizarre.

Am i right in thinking that if he hasn't signed anything he can still change his mind? Surely if he had signed terms they would have announced it.

I don't think him being on holiday makes any difference, they could still announce it.

I might put a cheeky bet on Emery you know because his odds will be great now and i find this all a bit strange.....

Maybe its Southampton dragging their heels, bizarre
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Hawkandro on June 09, 2016, 06:23:13 PM
I can our thinking here... have an 'accidental' oil tanker disaster in the Mersey and the land will be worthless. Swoop in and build the new stadium.

Very canny thinking here.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ihatecollina on June 09, 2016, 06:40:05 PM
anybody else get the feeling its fallen through???
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2016, 06:43:52 PM
Yes I heard that. Born in Liverpool and grew up an Evertonian and now CFO of the one of the worlds biggest companies. Not a bad guy to have as a non-exec director when you're looking at acquiring the finance for a new stadium.

Exactly. Looks like Moshiri is getting a board together that, to put it simply, know exactly what they are doing

Exciting times.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 09, 2016, 06:50:39 PM
anybody else get the feeling its fallen through???

no i think we are sorting a DoF and want to announce both together.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2016, 06:51:30 PM
anybody else get the feeling its fallen through???

No
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 09, 2016, 06:55:50 PM
Exactly. Looks like Moshiri is getting a board together that, to put it simply, know exactly what they are doing

Exciting times.

The BP Arena. I could live with that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 09, 2016, 07:00:35 PM
The BP Arena. I could live with that.

I'd prefer the Corinthian Stadium sponsored by BP
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 09, 2016, 07:00:44 PM
They're probably just waiting for him to get back off his holiday so they can do a proper press conference etc.

No need to stress.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 09, 2016, 07:18:55 PM
It's a shame it's taken so long to finalise, it's really killed the hype surrounding his appointment.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2016, 07:23:15 PM
Moshiri doesn't seem like a big 'hype' guy. More of a 'get shit done' guy.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 09, 2016, 07:24:33 PM
No need to panic.

Moshiri probably said, go on holiday big lad, and we will hold the press conference when you are back on the Monday.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 09, 2016, 08:15:09 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/koeman-annoucement-set-delayed-until-11449659
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2016, 08:19:56 PM
Hmm...not ideal like. Time is of the essence. Meanwhile Spurs are buying Janssen, and other transfers are progressing.

Would it be too much to ask for Koeman to cut his second holiday short? He'll be going out to watch some of the Euros presumably, so that's almost a third holiday.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 09, 2016, 08:34:36 PM
So what's holding up the deal is the fact he's not physically present to sign the deal?

FFS Everton get the fax machine on I want my winnings!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Hawkandro on June 09, 2016, 08:39:52 PM
It wouldn't be Everton without a proper Summer transfer saga.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 09, 2016, 08:40:04 PM
Hmm...not ideal like. Time is of the essence. Meanwhile Spurs are buying Janssen, and other transfers are progressing.

Would it be too much to ask for Koeman to cut his second holiday short? He'll be going out to watch some of the Euros presumably, so that's almost a third holiday.

I think he will have highlighted potential transfers that he wants anyway, if Janssen is one of them I reckon we have already been in touch.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Hawkandro on June 09, 2016, 08:41:01 PM
So what's holding up the deal is the fact he's not physically present to sign the deal?

FFS Everton get the fax machine on I want my winnings!

Elstone want to draw up a new Powerpoint presentation, but our Office licence has run out and he doesn't get paid until next Friday.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Vespa on June 09, 2016, 08:46:14 PM
Sounds like it's all agreed but can't be announced without a signature and a picture with Contract Dave.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 09, 2016, 08:46:50 PM
Hmm...not ideal like. Time is of the essence. Meanwhile Spurs are buying Janssen, and other transfers are progressing.

Would it be too much to ask for Koeman to cut his second holiday short? He'll be going out to watch some of the Euros presumably, so that's almost a third holiday.

Slightly disappointed if him being on holiday is the reason for the hold up, doesn't exactly scream of commitment does it?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ihatecollina on June 09, 2016, 08:48:42 PM
i'd cut short my holiday (after i've already just had one) for £6m a year
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2016, 08:49:13 PM
Slightly disappointed if him being on holiday is the reason for the hold up, doesn't exactly scream of commitment does it?

Guessing the holiday he is on now will have been booked months ago, before he had any idea to take the job.

But as someone has mentioned I don't get why he physically has to be there to sign it, why not just fax or email him a copy, surely that will still suffice?

Also, if everything has been agreed, and it is now just his signature needed I still don't see why this should stop them from ANNOUNCING it. Not like it matters much but it would be nice to hear and to see it official.

Maybe they are just waiting so they can actually unveil him properly in front of the cameras.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2016, 08:56:33 PM
Slightly disappointed if him being on holiday is the reason for the hold up, doesn't exactly scream of commitment does it?

I mean it is a stressful job, so down time is presumably very important, especially when starting a massive new challenge (playing devil's advocate), and maybe it's one of those things where you start a new job and you let the employer know you have existing holidays already pre-booked.

I'm not too fussed about unveilings and hype and all that. I just think we're going to have a lot of ins and outs this summer, and I want him on top of it asap. Really can't be arsed with a slow start to the season cos the players are still coming in, and aren't integrated.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Waltzer on June 09, 2016, 09:00:19 PM
Dont know why but I get the feeling hes stalling, maybe waiting for the Athletico job to come up or something like that? It all seems far to protracted, and agree it doesnt exactly strike of commitment.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 09, 2016, 09:02:47 PM
I hope he's using a high factor sun cream, gingers burn quite easily
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 09, 2016, 09:02:54 PM
Calling it now

Gentlemans Agreement
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 09, 2016, 09:03:11 PM
Kinell, lads.

Some of you a bad stress heads. It's like you want it to fall through so you can moan about how 'Everton' it all is.

He's already been at finch farm, hasn't he?

Chill. It's all been done.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2016, 09:03:46 PM
Dont know why but I get the feeling hes stalling, maybe waiting for the Athletico job to come up or something like that? It all seems far to protracted, and agree it doesnt exactly strike of commitment.

Nah, I'm certain it's all done and he's 100% coming from what the journos say. Agreements have been made for his brother and the fitness coach and all that. But time is of the essence.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 09, 2016, 09:16:14 PM
Looks like Emery is going to PSG, that could see Monchi following him.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 09, 2016, 09:18:04 PM
Nah, I'm certain it's all done and he's 100% coming from what the journos say. Agreements have been made for his brother and the fitness coach and all that. But time is of the essence.

Yeah but unfortunately without a signature he can change his mind at anytime, it's happened before. Who's to say if his thinking will change over the next few days? I don't think this is 100% done and I don't like his attitude regarding it either, won't be surprised if it goes tits up over this weekend. I'm not panicking about it either, just think it's looks shit for our club
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
Yeah but unfortunately without a signature he can change his mind at anytime, it's happened before. Who's to say if his thinking will change over the next few days? I don't think this is 100% done and I don't like his attitude regarding it either, won't be surprised if it goes tits up over this weekend. I'm not panicking about it either, just think it's looks shit for our club

And how do you know he hasn't already signed?

Even if he hasn't, and if he changes his mind over the next few days, fuck him. We'll get someone else who wants the job.

He's burned his bridges at Soton well and truly.

Chill out, it's done. It's just annoying waiting for transfers, given how massive a summer it's going to be for the club.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MIG on June 09, 2016, 09:24:05 PM
Yeah, I'm not exactly panicking either but to the outside world we're starting to look like mugs that can't get a simple deal done.  Not exactly the new image we want to be putting out there if we really are going to attempt to be amongst the Johnny Big Bollocks of the game.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 09, 2016, 09:24:45 PM
Kinell, lads.

Some of you a bad stress heads. It's like you want it to fall through so you can moan about how 'Everton' it all is.

He's already been at finch farm, hasn't he?

Chill. It's all been done.

Is right Ram, even now he'll be by the pool, looking at a fine pair of strikers, sinking a Pina Collada
In his brand new Everton shirt  😉
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 09, 2016, 09:30:30 PM
At this rate he'll be unveiled at the opening of the new stadium.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 09, 2016, 09:30:37 PM
If it was my solitary family holiday and I had a job that required as much commitment as a football manager does, then my new/old/prospective employers could suck a bag of dicks before I cut it short by so much as 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gary1878 on June 09, 2016, 09:39:42 PM
If it was my solitary family holiday and I had a job that required as much commitment as a football manager does, then my new/old/prospective employers could suck a bag of dicks before I cut it short by so much as 30 minutes.

Bang on mate - family time away is precious stuff, and just because he earns what he does and has the occupation of a football manager doesn't mean he cares/values this any less than any one of us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 09, 2016, 09:41:36 PM
if only there was a big fuck off football tourney round the corner to take our minds of this saga.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 09, 2016, 09:46:49 PM
i'd cut short my holiday (after i've already just had one) for £6m a year

That was if you had to or lose the deal, he will still get that when he returns Monday, 4 days, doesnt really change anything in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 09, 2016, 09:54:09 PM
WTF Gibson contract extension until 2018 what a serious waste of money.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: claimabstract on June 09, 2016, 10:04:14 PM
I think we need a "Why hasn't Koeman been announced?" theory thread.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thom on June 09, 2016, 10:12:40 PM
It seems a bit silly if the hold up is over him not being there to sign his contract and hold a shirt up for a few snaps.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2016, 10:14:40 PM
Imagine what page the "Who to replace Martinez" thread would be at now given that Koeman is still not over the line.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 09, 2016, 10:28:06 PM
And how do you know he hasn't already signed?

Even if he hasn't, and if he changes his mind over the next few days, fuck him. We'll get someone else who wants the job.

He's burned his bridges at Soton well and truly.

Chill out, it's done. It's just annoying waiting for transfers, given how massive a summer it's going to be for the club.

I'm fairly sure if he'd signed they would have announced it, there's no reason not to, and I don't think he has burned his bridges at Soton either, if he changed his mind now and said he wanted to stay with them they would think he is a hero. Plus we need to start looking at targets and we look a bit shit to the footballing world. I don't like it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 09, 2016, 10:44:06 PM
'Logistical issues' doesn't really hold much water really. Not in the year 2016. There are either details still to be finalised or he's having a bit longer to have a think whilst covered in sun block under a parasol on a beach somewhere.
I accepted my old job while away on holiday. I just sent a legally binding e-mail which confirmed I was accepting the job based on the terms of the attached contract. Bingo. No signature needed.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: smellybum on June 09, 2016, 10:53:04 PM
Who is to say he has not signed and given the club a list of targets he is interested in and names of those he wants moving on? The announcement and presser can all wait until the dof is done and dusted and we get to announce the whole management team in one go. Boom. This is Everton and this is who is running things now.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2016, 10:54:55 PM
Be arsed with the stressheads in here.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 09, 2016, 11:36:03 PM
I understand peoples frustration. I'm frustrated. But if it's true he's on a holiday with his family then I will bite my tongue and not say anything. At the end of the day it's just a game.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bacon sarnie on June 10, 2016, 12:10:10 AM
If it was my solitary family holiday and I had a job that required as much commitment as a football manager does, then my new/old/prospective employers could suck a bag of dicks before I cut it short by so much as 30 minutes.

Amen la and his old employers are about to suck DeBoers dick for half the price.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: arteta4spain on June 10, 2016, 12:45:06 AM
So is he Koeman or going? Sorry I had to put it in here! 😂
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Risky on June 10, 2016, 01:44:32 AM
It seems a bit silly if the hold up is over him not being there to sign his contract and hold a shirt up for a few snaps.

I would be pretty disappointed in the club if they announced it before he'd put pen to paper to be fair.  Imagine if he didn't end up signing.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: domingo on June 10, 2016, 02:03:31 AM
We're heading for a Scooby-doo ending: the Koeman mask will be pulled off at the press conference to reveal the return of the ginger one! 'I told you pesky kids I'd be back!'
How else can Gibson's new contract be explained?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 10, 2016, 02:06:10 AM
We're heading for a Scooby-doo ending: the Koeman mask will be pulled off at the press conference to reveal the return of the ginger one! 'I told you pesky kids I'd be back!'
How else can Gibson's new contract be explained?

I will re-use this one from Ross.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/dARUXSVNXc5Da/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 10, 2016, 02:20:17 AM
Thought I'd recycle a song from the last manager issnit, like what the cool kids do.

Roberto had a dream,
To build our football team.
Turned out he was shit,
So we got koeman instead.
Now we're good at the back
And boss in attack,
The school of science is
Possibly back.

Think there's actually a  law against using the word "possibly" in a football song.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jacko4468 on June 10, 2016, 02:43:52 AM
What the actual fuck is going on
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cassius on June 10, 2016, 03:56:43 AM
'Logistical issues' doesn't really hold much water really. Not in the year 2016. There are either details still to be finalised or he's having a bit longer to have a think whilst covered in sun block under a parasol on a beach somewhere.
I accepted my old job while away on holiday. I just sent a legally binding e-mail which confirmed I was accepting the job based on the terms of the attached contract. Bingo. No signature needed.

Which Bingo hall do you work at?

Never been a fan of the game myself.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 10, 2016, 04:08:06 AM
Moshiri and Co. can just fly to wherever Koeman is and set up a little table with a table cloth in the backround with the Chang and Everton logo on it. Take a few pictures with pen in hand and a jersey and everyone can go back to their day.

Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Fynci on June 10, 2016, 01:22:03 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160610/ce5d618fef6e72a1993e60cf74353ff4.jpg)

We've missed out on him, all this messing about and he has signed for somewhere else.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 10, 2016, 01:23:39 PM

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160610/ce5d618fef6e72a1993e60cf74353ff4.jpg)

We've missed out on him, all this messing about and he has signed for somewhere else.

Haha. This will be good.

Can write an article but can't sign his contract...

;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 10, 2016, 01:31:23 PM
There will be people on here genuinely going batshit crazy over that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hamshank33 on June 10, 2016, 01:43:23 PM
Fucking disgrace that...........doesn't he know we only like the daily fail on here.Judus
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 10, 2016, 01:46:24 PM
Why are people stressing, its all agreed, he will sign the contract when he gets back from hol on Monday, fucking chill
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 10, 2016, 02:21:29 PM
Moshiri and Co. can just fly to wherever Koeman is and set up a little table with a table cloth in the backround with the Chang and Everton logo on it. Take a few pictures with pen in hand and a jersey and everyone can go back to their day.

Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.


That's  some jet they've gone in mate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: School of Science on June 10, 2016, 02:23:33 PM
The Daily Mirror just fucking lovelies getting under our skin doesn't it, that redshite piece of crap McGovern will make the most of this.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 10, 2016, 03:18:17 PM
There will be people on here genuinely going batshit crazy over that.
I imagine that toffee twitterdom is already half melted.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 10, 2016, 03:37:45 PM
Why would Everton go through the effort of flying over to him just to get him to sign a contract? It's not like he's gonna cut his holiday short and start signing players any sooner.
Just chill and wait for Monday.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Big Nev on June 10, 2016, 03:53:45 PM
Fucking disgrace that...........doesn't he know we only like the daily fail on here.Judus

At least it's not the Sun!!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Vespa on June 10, 2016, 04:01:28 PM
For all we know he's already given the board a list of targets which they are working on and he's talking to players via phone. Him not being here doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 10, 2016, 06:37:13 PM
Someone's flagged this up on GOT: every Southampton goal last season

man Koeman fucking loves a cross lolol not sure how I feel about that.


Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 10, 2016, 06:40:23 PM
Good news for Deulefou
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 10, 2016, 06:43:05 PM
Someone's flagged this up on GOT: every Southampton goal last season

man Koeman fucking loves a cross lolol not sure how I feel about that.




Tim Cahill likes this.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bacon sarnie on June 10, 2016, 07:45:21 PM
Koeman feel the noize! Still cracks me up that April. Nice one.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Makis on June 10, 2016, 08:47:42 PM
There were plenty of crosses but what caught my eye was they were from prime positions and often unopposed. They were also purposeful, rather than hopeful, crosses. So they were clearly worked on. Compared to a normal Deulofeu cross which is usually from farther away and not aimed at anyone in particular.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 10, 2016, 09:04:21 PM
Someone's flagged this up on GOT: every Southampton goal last season

man Koeman fucking loves a cross lolol not sure how I feel about that.



Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 10, 2016, 09:06:19 PM
Someone's flagged this up on GOT: every Southampton goal last season

man Koeman fucking loves a cross lolol not sure how I feel about that.



Someone's flagged this up on GOT: every Southampton goal last season

man Koeman fucking loves a cross lolol not sure how I feel about that.




Fergie adored a cross; crosses were a feature of all his teams. I'm exited.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 10, 2016, 09:35:24 PM
Hope Lennon is spending his summer practicing......
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 10, 2016, 10:42:55 PM
Fergie adored a cross; crosses were a feature of all his teams. I'm exited.

where you going?  :snigger:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 10, 2016, 10:45:55 PM
where you going?  :snigger:

Stage left.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Major Clanger on June 10, 2016, 10:54:36 PM
Stage left.

That's evil.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 10, 2016, 10:55:19 PM
Stage left.

Great album that.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 10, 2016, 11:29:11 PM
Why would Everton go through the effort of flying over to him just to get him to sign a contract? It's not like he's gonna cut his holiday short and start signing players any sooner.
Just chill and wait for Monday.

Sarcasm doesn't read well. Sorry.

Surprising(or maybe not) that some didn't get it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 10, 2016, 11:52:40 PM
where you going?  :snigger:

Technology and fat fingers don’t mix I’m afraid.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bacon sarnie on June 11, 2016, 12:14:48 AM
He's fucked us off for the Daily Mirror unless he's hired a ghost writer..........
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shogun on June 11, 2016, 03:05:55 AM
He gets a loyalty bonus if he's still Southampton's manager for another seven days...

Edit: may not be true
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 11, 2016, 03:14:39 AM
Let's just say, our main man has made some decisions.
It has fuck all to do with him being out the country.

He'll still be announced though I'm sure.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 11, 2016, 03:37:08 AM
Southampton fans going mental that he's apparently tweeted tonight about his column in the mirror.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 11, 2016, 03:38:56 AM
Southampton fans going mental that he's apparently tweeted tonight about his column in the mirror.

What they saying?

I am sure he isn't signing for us. Something just doesn't feel right with all of this.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 11, 2016, 03:40:57 AM
What they saying?

I am sure he isn't signing for us. Something just doesn't feel right with all of this.
I think the term snake is being mentioned.

And this picture is getting a good airing.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160610/9b7eec250b67c9cb382845311bfc4039.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 11, 2016, 03:51:33 AM
What they saying?

I am sure he isn't signing for us. Something just doesn't feel right with all of this.

You're a bit paranoid
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 11, 2016, 03:56:41 AM
They've had a proper little meltdown about the article in the echo about us potentially becoming successful again. Comparing us to spoilt little rich boys who think we are entitled to success. Beauts
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 11, 2016, 03:58:58 AM
They've had a proper little meltdown about the article in the echo about us potentially becoming successful again. Comparing us to spoilt little rich boys who think we are entitled to success. Beauts

In fairness, I've seen some blues signed up to Soton forums, acting like proper classless knobs about it all. It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other for me.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 11, 2016, 04:01:05 AM
What they saying?

I am sure he isn't signing for us. Something just doesn't feel right with all of this.

It's been a rather busy week at the club.

He'll still sign.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 11, 2016, 04:12:05 AM
You're a bit paranoid

No mate, not at all. i would prefer we get someone else so more in hope than anything else
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 11, 2016, 04:52:31 AM
I'd be surprised if he actually runs his Twitter account.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: brap2 on June 11, 2016, 05:42:10 AM
In fairness, I've seen some blues signed up to Soton forums, acting like proper classless knobs about it all. It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other for me.

Fucking hate Everton fans you know. This whole Twitter lid thing is actually turning me off football.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 11, 2016, 05:47:52 AM
I'd be surprised if he actually runs his Twitter account.

I really can't understand anyone of his age and in his position having a Twitter account, whether they run it or not.

There can't be many more highly paid stressful jobs that are so open to such scrutiny that people would open themselves up to such criticism. It's just another thing that concerns me about this appointment.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 11, 2016, 05:55:25 AM
I really can't understand anyone of his age and in his position having a Twitter account, whether they run it or not.

There can't be many more highly paid stressful jobs that are so open to such scrutiny that people would open themselves up to such criticism. It's just another thing that concerns me about this appointment.

It could be worse though, he could share it with his brother.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 11, 2016, 06:07:14 AM
It could be worse though, he could share it with his brother.

Him and his brother were both pointless answers on pointless yesterday.

True fact.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GoodisonPk on June 11, 2016, 06:15:44 AM
I really can't understand anyone of his age and in his position having a Twitter account, whether they run it or not.

There can't be many more highly paid stressful jobs that are so open to such scrutiny that people would open themselves up to such criticism. It's just another thing that concerns me about this appointment.

It is a bit strange I must say. There can be no positive in him having one.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 11, 2016, 06:41:37 AM
Imagine being on social media when you're supposed to be on holiday...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 11, 2016, 07:32:49 AM
Fucking hate Everton fans you know. This whole Twitter lid thing is actually turning me off football.

It's not just football. The human race is shown in a really bad light by some social media users
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 13, 2016, 03:48:42 AM
Just been sent this by my Saints supporting mate ( it's the Jack Schitt posts you need to read). It's a bit long but I don't know whether it's a typical, sore loser type post or if we should be genuinely worried?

http://sotonians.com/chat/saints-next-manager?p=8
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2016, 03:57:37 AM
Just been sent this by my Saints supporting mate ( it's the Jack Schitt posts you need to read). It's a bit long but I don't know whether it's a typical, sore loser type post or if we should be genuinely worried?

http://sotonians.com/chat/saints-next-manager?p=8

Read that before.

I'm worried. He just strikes me as that type of manager.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 13, 2016, 04:02:26 AM
Just been sent this by my Saints supporting mate ( it's the Jack Schitt posts you need to read). It's a bit long but I don't know whether it's a typical, sore loser type post or if we should be genuinely worried?

http://sotonians.com/chat/saints-next-manager?p=8
........not worried really . Koeman might well be a pragmatic, hard-arsed ,arrogant type of guy but that might be a good thing.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2016, 04:02:52 AM
I was reading then switched off at his lack of playing the Southampton way
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Hawkandro on June 13, 2016, 04:05:12 AM
If that's true (big if, mind), then it is an utter clusterfuck of immense proportions.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shogun on June 13, 2016, 04:08:00 AM
If that's true then Southampton must have the best squad in the league to finish top 7 in successive years.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 13, 2016, 04:17:55 AM
Just been sent this by my Saints supporting mate ( it's the Jack Schitt posts you need to read). It's a bit long but I don't know whether it's a typical, sore loser type post or if we should be genuinely worried?

http://sotonians.com/chat/saints-next-manager?p=8

That's utter bollocks.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on June 13, 2016, 04:18:41 AM
not read back any pages but

Sevilla's Unai Emery have parted company amid rumours that the coach will join Paris Saint-Germain as Laurent Blanc's successor.

Sevilla's official website (h/t Sports Illustrated) confirmed the Spaniard left the La Liga team on Sunday.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: brap2 on June 13, 2016, 04:19:52 AM
My enthusiasm for the bright new era is waning over here.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 13, 2016, 04:28:11 AM
I wish we had just offered the job to Favre.

:-(
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 13, 2016, 04:34:11 AM
I don't know what to believe anymore.  It did seem strange him going off again wen it seemed everything was done.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2016, 04:56:06 AM
Just been sent this by my Saints supporting mate ( it's the Jack Schitt posts you need to read). It's a bit long but I don't know whether it's a typical, sore loser type post or if we should be genuinely worried?

http://sotonians.com/chat/saints-next-manager?p=8

I wouldn't be remotely worried about that. I think a lot of it is biased and tinged with bitterness.

For a start, all the Everton possible ITKs and all the Echo lot who cover Everton definitively said Koeman was the first choice from the off, so the thing about Emery isn't credible.

I think a lot of that is a narrative he's constructed.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 13, 2016, 04:58:54 AM
It's all just a bit of a drag now.

The whole going off on holiday again thing doesn't sit right either. He doesn't exactly seem to be busting a gut to come and work here.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 13, 2016, 04:59:08 AM
I wouldn't be remotely worried about that. I think a lot of it is biased and tinged with bitterness.

For a start, all the Everton possible ITKs and all the Echo lot who cover Everton definitively said Koeman was the first choice from the off, so the thing about Emery isn't credible.

I think a lot of that is a narrative he's constructed.

That what I thought about the Emery bit and being first choice. I also read an article saying what a top bloke he was. I'm hoping it's just a bitter saint
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 13, 2016, 05:08:06 AM
I am sure he isn't signing for us. Something just doesn't feel right with all of this.

I felt like that after Martinez signed up with us.

So, all in all, I prefer worrying beforehand -- that a manager might not sign.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 13, 2016, 05:21:01 AM
My enthusiasm for the bright new era is waning over here.

If Kenwright was still the majority shareholder Tim Peake would be taking pictures of the fume from space.


Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2016, 05:39:13 AM
I Re read, tuchel?

Ffs

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2016, 05:44:53 AM
Kinda beyond caring anymore

Bizarrely on Betfair (only place I can see still running a book) Roy Keane is 1/100

Koeman is 1/20 like and just to keep kramer moist Favre is 2/1
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: claimabstract on June 13, 2016, 05:49:41 AM
It's all just a bit of a drag now.

The whole going off on holiday again thing doesn't sit right either. He doesn't exactly seem to be busting a gut to come and work here.

I stopped caring a week ago. This can't be sitting well with the players who might want away.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2016, 05:51:18 AM
Anyway
Reliable lad on tef says announcement Tuesday afternoon
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 13, 2016, 06:12:39 AM

Kinda beyond caring anymore

Bizarrely on Betfair (only place I can see still running a book) Roy Keane is 1/100

Koeman is 1/20 like and just to keep kramer moist Favre is 2/1

How does Favre still have odds? He was appointed at Nice.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 13, 2016, 06:16:41 AM
Pelligrini still available, I fucking hope...
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 13, 2016, 06:21:54 AM
Is that Roy Keane thing just a glitch or something lol. I thought most of the betting companies had suspended betting on our next manager.

I'm not worried about it all, that Saints fan is just bitter about it all, what he's saying isn't anything new anyway.
Koeman listened to What Everton had to offer, asked Saints to match it, they said no, so he's signed for us.
Isn't that what most people do if you've been head hunted for a job? Unless u really hate the place u work.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2016, 06:30:32 AM
To be honest, I'd forgotten we still don't have a manager.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jamokachi on June 13, 2016, 07:41:22 AM
That Saints ITK is bollocks, let's be honest. It's a 2+2=5 situation, and smacks of sour grapes. Emery was never our first choice, we all know that. And to dismiss Everton as an unattractive option in comparison to Saints smacks of a lack of understanding of the situation that's developing. They'll soon understand though, as will the rest of the blinkered masses down there.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 13, 2016, 08:52:28 AM
Bizarrely on Betfair (only place I can see still running a book) Roy Keane is 1/100

If things went to hell with Koeman and we have to turn to Roy Keane as our next manager, then we're all going to hell. Or worse, to Sunderland.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2016, 10:43:29 AM
Is this the Porto guy?

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/06/12/report-vitor-pereira-becomes-new-contender-to-replace-koeman-aft/
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 13, 2016, 11:45:57 AM

Is this the Porto guy?

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/06/12/report-vitor-pereira-becomes-new-contender-to-replace-koeman-aft/

Yes.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 13, 2016, 11:47:06 AM

How does Favre still have odds? He was appointed at Nice.

Think they're based on who it might be "after" Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 13, 2016, 02:13:43 PM
Think they're based on who it might be "after" Koeman.

Betfair will keep the market open until its officially confirmed by Everton, as its not their money in play its all customers.  The odds displayed are only what is being offered by other customers, not set by the site, so bear no reflection 'real' value as it could just be people looking to snare rogue bots or trying to 'green' up their ledger to free up funds for other markets.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2016, 03:12:24 PM
Today has to be the day. He's back off holiday, all tanned and handsome, he turns his printer on, fires up the laptop, gets out his best fountain pen....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 13, 2016, 03:18:13 PM
Today has to be the day. He's back off holiday, all tanned and handsome, he turns his printer on, fires up the laptop, gets out his best fountain pen....
And writes an article for the Daily Mirror....

 :eh:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Vespa on June 13, 2016, 03:21:44 PM
Sounds like pure fantasy from that Saints ITK. I'm not really arsed anyway if we do have clauses regarding signing their players. We'll just get bigger an better from now on and the big club debate will be done and dusted before christmas.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2016, 03:39:44 PM
Just been sent this by my Saints supporting mate ( it's the Jack Schitt posts you need to read). It's a bit long but I don't know whether it's a typical, sore loser type post or if we should be genuinely worried?

http://sotonians.com/chat/saints-next-manager?p=8

Does have a ring of plausibility about it. Especially about him not being liked and not being arsed about the youth setup. My cousin is a Saints fan and lives down there and he mentioned something similar when we swapped texts about us nicking their manager. Apparently it's quite well known in the area he's not liked by his players. 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 13, 2016, 03:39:54 PM
Even if he wasn't desperate to come here there's no reason that he'd be desperate to stay there either.

Certainly not when we've offered £6m a year.

Also liked the bit where we had to come up with a £100m transfer budget in order to convince him, as if we'd not have spent that if we'd have appointed someone else.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 13, 2016, 03:41:08 PM

Does have a ring of plausibility about it. Especially about him not being liked and not being arsed about the youth setup. My cousin is a Saints fan and lives down there and he mentioned something similar when we swapped texts about us nicking their manager. Apparently it's quite well known in the area he's not liked by his players.

We all know that he's fallen out with some players and that he's not gone overboard picking youth players.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2016, 03:43:18 PM
I'm worried.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 13, 2016, 03:44:42 PM
I'm really not arsed if we can't sign any Southampton players, so they can go ahead and put that clause in.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2016, 03:50:49 PM
We all know that he's fallen out with some players and that he's not gone overboard picking youth players.

Of course we do. However the whole charade is starting to wear a bit thin now. The delays, the holidays, the stories of squad unrest, the indications that he's an arrogant arsehole who doesn't take much interest in the youth setup...all from numerous sources. These may all be minor points, exaggerations and heresay but the gloss on his appointment, if and when it comes, is starting to wear off a little.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2016, 03:56:51 PM
Not arsed if the players dont like him as long as they play to their highest ability like the soton players certainly appear to have done
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 13, 2016, 03:56:51 PM
Seem pretty small time that there hasn't been an announcement as yet.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 13, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
The only thing that really jumped out to me was that training sessions were short and lacking in intensity.

If that is true this is not the sort of manager I want us to have.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2016, 04:07:11 PM
The only thing that really jumped out to me was that training sessions were short and lacking in intensity.

If that is true this is not the sort of manager I want us to have.
Yet they play quite a high intensity pressing game
I cant take that article too serious as whats happened on the pitch at soton for last 2 years doesnt mirror what the lad is saying
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 13, 2016, 04:14:01 PM
Not arsed if the players dont like him as long as they play to their highest ability like the soton players certainly appear to have done
Yet they play quite a high intensity pressing game
I cant take that article too serious as whats happened on the pitch at soton for last 2 years doesnt mirror what the lad is saying



I'm not arsed the same as Jim for 10 minutes. ;D
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Major Clanger on June 13, 2016, 04:15:16 PM
Yet they play quite a high intensity pressing game
I cant take that article too serious as whats happened on the pitch at soton for last 2 years doesnt mirror what the lad is saying

You never know, but it looks very much like the sort of "revelations" (or, between you and me, character assassination) clubs tend to leak after a player/manager leaves.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 13, 2016, 04:18:44 PM
If I was to start a new job and had to work with 50+ people, I'd probably not get on with a fair few of them. Especially if I had pre-conceived ideas about them (football players/managers are 'famous' after all and their character traits are in the public domain),and vice versa. Top coaches don't get there by being everyone's mate. And so we the kids - the cream floats to the top; if they're good enough they won't be ignored.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 13, 2016, 04:19:22 PM
You never know, but it looks very much like the sort of "revelations" (or, between you and me, character assassination) clubs tend to leak after a player/manager leaves.




Is this Hungarian wit? :eh:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Major Clanger on June 13, 2016, 04:21:41 PM
Is this Hungarian wit? :eh:

No.

It is not.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
Today's the day

Or maybe tomorrow

Or Wednesday

and so on....
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 13, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
No.

It is not.



OK. With an answer like that, it's possibly teutonic. I'm only having a laugh with you btw, "you do know that don't you"? Ffs immigrants eh! :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2016, 04:32:43 PM
You never know, but it looks very much like the sort of "revelations" (or, between you and me, character assassination) clubs tend to leak after a player/manager leaves.
It reads like it could be from the press statment team
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GoodisonPk on June 13, 2016, 04:45:27 PM
This is getting weird now
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 13, 2016, 04:47:29 PM
It reads like it could be from the press statment team



I just spent valuable time constructing a reply to this, blew it out, and decided to give you a like instead ;D
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: pjk on June 13, 2016, 04:55:00 PM
This is getting weird now



You haven't been on here for very long. Don't worry! It get's worse from here on in. :)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Danny on June 13, 2016, 05:05:47 PM
People who want to sit and write that much about things like this are either bitter, paid for it or just love telling a story, that guy could be all 3.

I think everyone actually in the know knows that this is done, you have to question why Sky are not mentioning it at all, if it wasn't happening they'd be talking about it falling through or who Everton might be looking at as alternatives.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 13, 2016, 05:07:18 PM
It's such obvious revisionist, face-saving bollocks.

If he's such a terrible man-manager, more concerned with playing golf than training players properly, why did they finish so high up the table? We know exactly what happens to performances when the team is unfit and unmotivated.

If he's such a terrible man-manager, more concerned with playing golf than training players properly, why were they trying to renew his contract?

Why would they forego £5m compo and have to bare the costs of two managers, and take an unprecedented step of putting him on gardening leave when they're apparently not so arsed about him going because he doesn't live up to the 'Southampton Way'.

Why can't a grown man be assertive and speak for himself in deciding where his employment will be?

Why has all this ITK only come out with this now he's gone, rather than as it was happening?

It's a Saints fan telling other Saints fans what they want to hear to assuage their bruised egos.

A more likely story is his original agent turned us down flatly so Ronald fucked him off so he could set about joining a bigger, more successful, more historically decorated, more ambitious (and now richer) club than Southampton!

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 13, 2016, 05:13:43 PM
Is right Hill.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plumber on June 13, 2016, 05:20:58 PM
I don't care what Southampton fans say, but all that second holiday shit is just bizarre.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 13, 2016, 05:21:40 PM
Whenever he "verbally assured them" (welcome to the gentleman's agreement club :) ) he didn't have our offer, or supposedly so as he was second choice..., so when we then did make the offer he then has a different choice to make.

Also what agent would turn down an offer flat, even if they wanted to stay, especially when negotiating a new deal?

Either a made up one (well scenario), or a poor one, in which case I'm not surprised that he sacked him.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 13, 2016, 05:21:55 PM
It's such obvious revisionist, face-saving bollocks.

If he's such a terrible man-manager, more concerned with playing golf than training players properly, why did they finish so high up the table? We know exactly what happens to performances when the team is unfit and unmotivated.

If he's such a terrible man-manager, more concerned with playing golf than training players properly, why were they trying to renew his contract?

Why would they forego £5m compo and have to bare the costs of two managers, and take an unprecedented step of putting him on gardening leave when they're apparently not so arsed about him going because he doesn't live up to the 'Southampton Way'.

Why can't a grown man be assertive and speak for himself in deciding where his employment will be?

Why has all this ITK only come out with this now he's gone, rather than as it was happening?

It's a Saints fan telling other Saints fans what they want to hear to assuage their bruised egos.

A more likely story is his original agent turned us down flatly so Ronald fucked him off so he could set about joining a bigger, more successful, more historically decorated, more ambitious (and now richer) club than Southampton!



Great post, Hill... Particularly the use of 'assuage' 👍🏼
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: GLewis on June 13, 2016, 05:22:37 PM

I don't care what Southampton fans say, but all that second holiday shit is just bizarre.

It'd obviously be better if he'd signed before he went away.

No doubting this.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Hawkandro on June 13, 2016, 05:23:48 PM
Great post, Hill... Particularly the use of 'assuage' 👍🏼

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Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: alexb on June 13, 2016, 05:26:30 PM
I am starting to raise an eyebrow now, i would of thought Koeman would be in front of Goodison/ Finch Farm at 9am this morning,strutting around with the shirt and holding some tulips dyed royal blue. I don't think there is another club without a manager. I was given comfort when Villa had not sorted anything out, Katie Hopkins puckering arsehole is more inviting than Villa at the moment and they have their man.

It is getting worrying now, unless we are about to pull Emery out the hat and about to tell Koeman to do one?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2016, 05:26:42 PM
He might have booked one of those space flights in which case they're quite expensive to just cancel and you ain't getting Wi-Fi up there, so there might be a plausible reason for his second holiday in quick succession and lack of a contract signature. .
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 13, 2016, 05:27:11 PM
[tweet https://twitter.com/richaskam/status/742293333322661888]

Very strange goings on for a deal that's supposed to be "done".
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: AllyBlue14 on June 13, 2016, 05:27:18 PM
Jesus, I'm sick of hearing Saints fans wondering why Koeman would want to join Everton. And wishing eternal failure on us because we've had the temerity to go after their manager.

I don't expect them to be happy about it but it really is amazing the way they seem to perceive themselves - you'd think we were Braintree trying to poach Zidane ffs.

The BBC had a debate about it a couple of weeks ago and no-one could understand why it was even a question. They're absolute no-marks and clearly other teams - and even their own players - see them as such, which is why their squad is pillaged year after year.

I've always championed them since they came back up - I tend to favour teams who were in the PL when I first started following football properly in the early-mid 90s, so Southampton, Coventry, Leeds, Forest, Derby, Q.P.R, Blackburn etc. - but to think 3 decent seasons puts them up towards the elite clubs in the country is ridiculous.

I hope what this guy is saying is b/s, it certainly sounds like the usual drivel we get around transfer deadline day - I bumped into my old neighbour, who doesn't know everything but does know about stuff like this, and whereas I'm normally too busy to ever post, I had time to sit and have a coffee and re-type War and Peace.

If even elements of it are true, it is a bit of a concern re training and player relationships. But that said, he has produced decent results and shown that he can build a squad. I don't expect Koeman to be here for any longer than 2-3 seasons, if he's successful. He'd have jibbed off Soton and I imagine would be prepared to do the same thing to us. But if, in the mean time, we're back up towards the top of the table, with the financial backing we now have, a potential new stadium and hopefully a better playing squad, we should be a much more attractive proposition than we are now.




Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shropshire Blue on June 13, 2016, 05:28:16 PM
Of course we do. However the whole charade is starting to wear a bit thin now. The delays, the holidays, the stories of squad unrest, the indications that he's an arrogant arsehole who doesn't take much interest in the youth setup...all from numerous sources. These may all be minor points, exaggerations and heresay but the gloss on his appointment, if and when it comes, is starting to wear off a little.
Yes it is dragging on a little but the world of football does not revolve around us! So whilst we wait for the final details to be sorted there is a vacuum and nature abhors a vacuum so it will fill with something else. Sadly as a group of fans there is a tendency to ignore or take for granted what we have and search out the negatives and grasp pessimism.
There's  a new manager coming but he's a bit slow arriving because everyone in football has their family holidays at this time. Get over it!
We're a Premier League club, never been out of it, rich investor, big crowds, good history and a promising future. Can some people even comprehend how lucky we are? There are millions of other fans who will support their teams their whole lives and never get a taste of even a part of that.
Rant over.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2016, 05:31:53 PM
It's such obvious revisionist, face-saving bollocks.

If he's such a terrible man-manager, more concerned with playing golf than training players properly, why did they finish so high up the table? We know exactly what happens to performances when the team is unfit and unmotivated.

If he's such a terrible man-manager, more concerned with playing golf than training players properly, why were they trying to renew his contract?

Why would they forego £5m compo and have to bare the costs of two managers, and take an unprecedented step of putting him on gardening leave when they're apparently not so arsed about him going because he doesn't live up to the 'Southampton Way'.

Why can't a grown man be assertive and speak for himself in deciding where his employment will be?

Why has all this ITK only come out with this now he's gone, rather than as it was happening?

It's a Saints fan telling other Saints fans what they want to hear to assuage their bruised egos.

A more likely story is his original agent turned us down flatly so Ronald fucked him off so he could set about joining a bigger, more successful, more historically decorated, more ambitious (and now richer) club than Southampton!



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Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 13, 2016, 05:56:50 PM
I stopped caring a week ago. This can't be sitting well with the players who might want away.

Surely they've been informed better than us or the media?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 13, 2016, 05:59:19 PM
I'm really not arsed if we can't sign any Southampton players, so they can go ahead and put that clause in.

But can such a clause exist?

If you are a Southamptn player and you want to make a career move, how is it legal for someone else to restrict your career based on what they do?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2016, 06:09:10 PM
But can such a clause exist?

If you are a Southamptn player and you want to make a career move, how is it legal for someone else to restrict your career based on what they do?

I guess it's no different to when a top boss of some company cannot join a competitor for a certain length of time. That would be a similar thing, but then that's the person making that decision, not the staff. So what I have just written is not the same thing at all.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 13, 2016, 06:14:47 PM
But can such a clause exist?

If you are a Southamptn player and you want to make a career move, how is it legal for someone else to restrict your career based on what they do?

Didn't Liverpool and Swansea have a similar agreement when Rodgers moved? They couldn't buy any players unless somebody else had bid for them. There was a phantom bid for Joe Allen so Liverpool could swoop in and take him.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blueski on June 13, 2016, 06:33:19 PM
the only element of this story which is concerning to me is the possiblity that Koeman doesn't want to be here

who cares if Mane thinks Koeman is an asshat or plays long ball at times?

I remember a manager who had players from time to time think he's an ass hat, also one who played direct at times

his name was alex ferguson
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: robertdrumm1954 on June 13, 2016, 06:34:53 PM
Not gonna happen, sorry lads he has had a rethink.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2016, 06:36:39 PM
Not gonna happen, sorry lads he has had a rethink.

Tell you this, did he? hhhmmmm this is unfortunate.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
Thank fuck the Euros is on. The fume has been muted because of the distraction.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 13, 2016, 06:38:04 PM
the only element of this story which is concerning to me is the possiblity that Koeman doesn't want to be here

who cares if Mane thinks Koeman is an asshat or plays long ball at times?

I remember a manager who had players from time to time think he's an ass hat, also one who played direct at times

his name was alex ferguson

Yeah. You don't have to like your boss - just to do what they say.

In regards to the "poaching" contract. No, there is no legal grounds on behalf of the players.
But part of an agreement to allow Koeman to void the last year of his contract (and to allow us to speak to him whilst under contract) can include a stipulation saying we wont bit. (different than they wont sell). That's perfectly above board.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 13, 2016, 07:00:14 PM
the only element of this story which is concerning to me is the possiblity that Koeman doesn't want to be here

I always take issue with people that claim to know what someone else's personal feelings are about something, even though they clearly don't know that person very well....or know them at all in some cases.

The level of detail that the Saints poster put just stinks of bullshit, bumping in to someone that you haven't seen in years who suddenly wants to invite for you for a coffee and divulge all the inner workings of the club and the staff....

He'll be signed by Wednesday, he'll be made up to be here, and we will have a great season.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 13, 2016, 07:02:27 PM
Tell you this, did he? hhhmmmm this is unfortunate.

Great Yoda quoting
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2016, 07:16:13 PM
The saddest part of this is that the twitter fans really only want him here cos they've had one over the soton fans, if he turns us down their lives will be hell
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Toddacelli on June 13, 2016, 07:23:30 PM
The best part of this is that the twitter fans really only want him here cos they've had one over the soton fans, if he turns us down their lives will be hell

Fixed!   ;)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Redartin on June 13, 2016, 07:30:48 PM
Anyone getting the de-Ja-vu feeling when Wigan /Swansea fans told us Roberto was a dickhead and loads of posters on here dismissed them, said "what the fuck do they know", "sour grapes bastards".etc etc.

Is Pelligrini still kicking about, just in case?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Major Clanger on June 13, 2016, 07:48:47 PM
Anyone getting the de-Ja-vu feeling when Wigan /Swansea fans told us Roberto was a dickhead and loads of posters on here dismissed them, said "what the fuck do they know", "sour grapes bastards".etc etc.

That is always a possibility. But they were telling their honest opinions based on what they could see, while this guy has written a shaggy-dog story with many inconsistencies that make it hard to believe. It is possible that all of it's basically true, he just embellished bits, it is possible that one or two elements are true, the rest is made up, and it could be complete bullshit.

Either way, we won't be able to guess.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Shogun on June 13, 2016, 07:49:49 PM
Difference is that Wigan fans' opinions were vindicated by their relegation struggles and eventual relegation. Koeman's time at Southampton has been a success as far the league is concerned.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2016, 07:50:31 PM
Anyone getting the de-Ja-vu feeling when Wigan /Swansea fans told us Roberto was a dickhead and loads of posters on here dismissed them, said "what the fuck do they know", "sour grapes bastards".etc etc.

Is Pelligrini still kicking about, just in case?

Nah. They loved Koeman until about three weeks ago. It's just bitterness.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 13, 2016, 07:50:48 PM
Anyone getting the de-Ja-vu feeling when Wigan /Swansea fans told us Roberto was a dickhead and loads of posters on here dismissed them, said "what the fuck do they know", "sour grapes bastards".etc etc.

Is Pelligrini still kicking about, just in case?

I think RM was generally liked by his players though, apart from maybe the players with bigger egos.

I don't care if the players don't like him, last year we saw what happened when the manager seemingly refused to say a bad word about any of the football.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: phillyt on June 13, 2016, 07:58:39 PM
The first thing I can't understand regards the scenario jack Schitt has described is if, and it's a big if, it's all a big play for big wages why fire the agent which has served him reasonably well. Tell him to not be a dick and see what Everton have to say then go back to Southampton and tell them about the offer, hint your client would consider it but prefer to stay and meet in the middle. From then on it all, apart from the idea that some players don't like him sounds like fantastical bullshit.

The other stand out but is that Erwin and kluitenburg are mad at him. Well fine stay where you are then. Oh they are not are they.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 13, 2016, 08:03:04 PM
We're still gonna be waiting and wondering about this when the season kicks off, aren't we?  Just let Rom and Jags pick the side amongst themselves.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2016, 08:07:04 PM
Its basically just sour grapes, I mean how dare manager leave them to move onto possibly better things eh

They probably said the same when Pochetino left, their fume levels reached record highs when he did his first Spurs interview in English
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 13, 2016, 08:22:03 PM
If he's good enough for Zlatan

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-next-manager-ronald-koeman-11465838
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2016, 08:39:03 PM
Great Yoda quoting

How come I did the quote, but you got all the likes?

Hmmm use the ways of the force, did you?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 13, 2016, 08:55:58 PM
The Mole has made his triumphant return to tell everyone what other ITKs and the Echo are already saying: tomorrow or Wednesday.

lolol
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 13, 2016, 09:00:58 PM
How come I did the quote, but you got all the likes?

Hmmm use the ways of the force, did you?

Coz I'm a Sith
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2016, 09:15:06 PM
Coz I'm a Sith

You're a stiff? That doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Cozzie on June 13, 2016, 09:22:16 PM
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Tinga on June 13, 2016, 09:48:45 PM
Fuck me this is boring, why are we having to wait so long for this?.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 13, 2016, 09:52:02 PM
All the waiting and doubts about whether this deal is actually going to happen is starting to fray my nerves.

But I am taking comfort in the great extents Southampton fans are going to vent their bitterness towards Koeman and Everton.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Goaljira on June 13, 2016, 10:04:13 PM
Current concern level:
(http://www.pd4pic.com/images/pressure-detection-system-pressure-gauge-heat-meter.png)
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Thom on June 13, 2016, 10:19:25 PM
Not even bothered at this point. European Championships are on, and E3 starts properly (with Microsoft's Xbox One press briefing at 5:30pm today) for three full days of game related news.

Got better things to do than see all the usual "Yeah it's gonna be another few days" from everywhere.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 13, 2016, 10:38:03 PM
How come I did the quote, but you got all the likes?

Hmmm use the ways of the force, did you?
Coz I'm a Sith

When I see all this blather from Soton fans I can't help but think of a pack of bitter Ewoks or Jar Jar Binks.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2016, 10:41:03 PM
The wait has certainly taken the excitement out of it.

But whatever, we're looking good for the future.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 13, 2016, 10:47:44 PM
I'm really not arsed if we can't sign any Southampton players, so they can go ahead and put that clause in.

I actually hope they put that clause in. I like a lot of Southampton players but they wouldn't be worth the premiums we'd have to pay.

If we can't come up with suitable targets from other clubs then our problems are much deeper than the manager.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 13, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
I actually hope they put that clause in. I like a lot of Southampton players but they wouldn't be worth the premiums we'd have to pay.

If we can't come up with suitable targets from other clubs then our problems are much deeper than the manager.

Only players I rate from them are Forster and VVD, and we could get cheaper probably better alternatives considering what Saints would want for them.

Cillessen
De Vrij or Van Beek would all be cheaper and possibly better.

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 13, 2016, 10:59:53 PM
Seamus sighting just made me feel magically better.  COYB!!!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 13, 2016, 11:09:41 PM
I actually hope they put that clause in. I like a lot of Southampton players but they wouldn't be worth the premiums we'd have to pay.

I'm starting to think some Southampton players had clauses in their contracts that Everton couldn't poach their manager.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Ross on June 13, 2016, 11:15:06 PM
Wonder who our plan B is?

Or would we or would we start the whole process all over again?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: bluenuck on June 13, 2016, 11:28:00 PM
Current concern level:
(http://www.pd4pic.com/images/pressure-detection-system-pressure-gauge-heat-meter.png)

If he's not our coach by the end of the week I will be in the red.

It's all getting a little silly now.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2016, 11:51:07 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/679444/Everton-to-appoint-Ronald-Koeman-as-new-manager-after-talks

Has to be true, its the express
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Brownie20 on June 13, 2016, 11:59:49 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/679444/Everton-to-appoint-Ronald-Koeman-as-new-manager-after-talks

Has to be true, its the express

Shocked they haven't blamed the delay on a Muslim immigrant snow storm tbh
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 14, 2016, 12:28:37 AM
Only players I rate from them are Forster and VVD, and we could get cheaper probably better alternatives considering what Saints would want for them.

Cillessen
De Vrij or Van Beek would all be cheaper and possibly better.

I wouldn't want any of the Soton players either for exactly the same reason Kramer said, we'd get our pants pulled down over the price for any of them, reckon Soton would want almost double what they are worth.

Good players some of them but we can find as good for much cheaper.

Very much doubt De Vrij would be cheaper than VVD though mate, maybe around the same kind of price, prob cost at least £25 mill - £30 mill, think he's highly regarded there
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Alanvideo on June 14, 2016, 01:14:08 AM
Not sure if posted before but I've been away. A very positive article about Everton and the ambition of Moshiri , written a few days ago.'' Everton - lords of the English game ''
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/08/ronald-koeman-appointment-will-be-seen-as-day-everton-banished-u/
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 14, 2016, 01:15:41 AM
I still think we should be in for Joachim Loew.

The opposing managers would be intimidated by just the thought of shaking his hand...



 
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: t2487 on June 14, 2016, 01:21:53 AM
Like I said - The delay has been down to our 49.9% shareholder calling stern shots.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: sam of the south on June 14, 2016, 01:22:53 AM
Like I said - The delay has been down to our 49.9% shareholder calling stern shots.

Can you give us some detail, mate?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 14, 2016, 01:24:46 AM
Like I said - The delay has been down to our 49.9% shareholder calling stern shots.

Will he also be calling shots from the bow, port and starboard?
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Confucius on June 14, 2016, 01:30:23 AM
Will he also be calling shots from the bow, port and starboard?

A fair reply but I wouldn't drop anchor over it.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 14, 2016, 01:58:29 AM
A fair reply but I wouldn't drop anchor over it.

Lets stop being silly. I think Koeman might sail into the sunset though
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Gash on June 14, 2016, 02:01:56 AM
 :titanic:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: ajax_andy on June 14, 2016, 02:43:15 AM
Just been sent this by my Saints supporting mate ( it's the Jack Schitt posts you need to read). It's a bit long but I don't know whether it's a typical, sore loser type post or if we should be genuinely worried?

http://sotonians.com/chat/saints-next-manager?p=8

Soooo... if we don't meet their demands they'll make Koeman see out the last year of his contract BUT appoint a new manager and make Ronald sit on his arse for 12 months?! That doesn't even make sense... what a fanciful tale!
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: plowman2 on June 14, 2016, 04:08:35 AM
I know it's a bit petty and there's probably a reason for it (not dissing Soton could be one) but I'm getting very pissed off with Koemans seemingly total indifference to being offered the job of managing Everton Football Club.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kramer0 on June 14, 2016, 04:15:36 AM
Upon closer inspection, the "the club offered him a new contract but the players hate him and training is bad and he'd rather be golfing and he doesn't share the club's commitment to youth" thing doesn't hold up to much scrutiny.

"Southampton did everything they could to keep him but he got a better offer from Everton. Oh, and he's the worst."

Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: kewns23 on June 14, 2016, 04:15:47 AM
After that game i would of preferred conte although Belgium did look like a Martinez side lol
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2016, 04:18:17 AM
After that game i would of preferred conte although Belgium did look like a Martinez side lol
I'd have rather married Angelina Jolie but that never happened either
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: hill135 on June 14, 2016, 04:59:44 AM
Daily Mail and the Telegraph saying it should be announced tomorrow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3639698/Everton-finally-expected-announce-Ronald-Koeman-manager-Tuesday.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/13/everton-to-appoint-ronald-koeman-on-tuesday-after-return-from-ho/
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 14, 2016, 05:11:16 AM
I'd have rather married Angelina Jolie but that never happened either

Take if from someone who did, you're lucky you didn't.

Angie has bad breath, hogs all the covers in bed along with the other women I'd bring in for threesomes (which could account for some of the bad breath), complains constantly about her father and Adolph Hitler, can't cook worth a damn, and without her makeup looks like Dirk Kuyt.

My marriage to Megan Fox was actually much happier, though I wouldn't recommend doing that either.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: montanatoffeefan on June 14, 2016, 05:13:20 AM
Lets stop being silly. I think Koeman might sail into the sunset though

Have to say, I've grown all a-bored with this Koeman saga.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Rhys on June 14, 2016, 05:28:46 AM
I know it's a bit petty and there's probably a reason for it (not dissing Soton could be one) but I'm getting very pissed off with Koemans seemingly total indifference to being offered the job of managing Everton Football Club.

How do you know it's total indifference?

His agent said weeks ago (seems it anyway :-) ) that the deal was done, he is back in the country today and looks like sat down with moshiri to complete formailities.

We don't know the reasons for the delay but don't think it's right to jump to the conclusion he isn't that fussed about managing us.
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Dirty Ticket on June 14, 2016, 05:32:10 AM
Lets stop being silly. I think Koeman might sail into the sunset though
i think we need a tumbleweed emoticon on this here site pardner.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Koeman
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 14, 2016, 05:38:21 AM