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Title: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: NewsBot on October 02, 2016, 05:24:25 PM
Boo boys need more patience

At the end of the draw with Crystal Palace on Friday night there was more than a smattering of boos coming from the Everton fans who had stayed to the final whistle, but they need more patience.

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Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Silas on October 02, 2016, 05:32:58 PM
Booing seven games in when we are in a good position in the league is massive entitled twat behaviour
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 02, 2016, 06:01:54 PM
Don't get the booing after the game, it's something other fans always take the piss out of us for.

I can kind of understand it if we got battered 3 or 4 nil, even then I've never done it.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: TheRam on October 02, 2016, 06:12:17 PM
What? We got booed of the pitch?

Fuck me
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Tinga on October 02, 2016, 06:59:19 PM
It was a terrible second half and it's not like it's a one off, we actually cannot play two consecutive halves. If people who pay want to boo to vent frustration then so be it.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Silas on October 02, 2016, 07:31:50 PM
 :angel:Of course if they want to they can. Still makes then twats though
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Shogun on October 02, 2016, 07:38:46 PM
It's quite strange like.

Surely people didn't expect us to be battering teams every week after all the problems of the last couple of years and it's not the players or Koeman's fault that we've got about 13 worthwhile players in the whole squad.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Bluedylan on October 02, 2016, 07:43:48 PM
It's quite strange like.

Surely people didn't expect us to be battering teams every week after all the problems of the last couple of years and it's not the players or Koeman's fault that we've got about 13 worthwhile players in the whole squad.

I think we made the mistake of starting the season well. People started talking stupidly about Top 4 finishes. Also, after two years of Martinez dross, people weirdly thought Koeman was a magic bullet and suddenly everything would be solved.

As a fanbase, we're a strange mixture of endless negativity and massive expectations. And that never plays out well.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Shogun on October 02, 2016, 07:57:09 PM
I think we made the mistake of starting the season well. People started talking stupidly about Top 4 finishes. Also, after two years of Martinez dross, people weirdly thought Koeman was a magic bullet and suddenly everything would be solved.

As a fanbase, we're a strange mixture of endless negativity and massive expectations. And that never plays out well.

The start probably had many looking at the City game and aiming for 1st v 2nd in the league so these two disappointing league results have out a dampener on things and as much as we might not like it, I think the way Liverpool are playing has added to the frustration.

4th or 5th going into the international break is very good, regardless of who we have played.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: bornblue88 on October 02, 2016, 08:09:13 PM
The booing at least shows to moshiri that we expected better from all the hype. I didn't boo but I didn't applaud either as no-one played particularly well, aside from one great moment. They looked as good as us and we were at home. Not good enough.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: starblood on October 02, 2016, 08:26:06 PM
Perhaps is was just a gut reaction to having given up a Friday night and forking out ~70+ (all in) to watch a pretty turgid spectacle with very little goalmouth entertainment.

It's not worth looking into too deeply, sometimes you cannot rationalise something that is cathartic.

I didn't boo by the way!
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Alanvideo on October 02, 2016, 08:36:38 PM
Perhaps is was just a gut reaction to having given up a Friday night and forking out ~70+ (all in) to watch a pretty turgid spectacle with very little goalmouth entertainment.

It's not worth looking into too deeply, sometimes you cannot rationalise something that is cathartic.

I didn't boo by the way!

.............if you thought that was turgid you never saw us under W.Smith esq.  ???
As for the booing I thought it was directed at Moss ?
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: TheRam on October 02, 2016, 08:42:37 PM
Perhaps is was just a gut reaction to having given up a Friday night and forking out ~70+ (all in) to watch a pretty turgid spectacle with very little goalmouth entertainment.

It's not worth looking into too deeply, sometimes you cannot rationalise something that is cathartic.

I didn't boo by the way!


No one was forced to go.

You pay for your ticket, you run the risk of disappointment.

When did we get so self entitled as a fanbase?
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: starblood on October 02, 2016, 08:51:11 PM
.............if you thought that was turgid you never saw us under W.Smith esq.  ???
As for the booing I thought it was directed at Moss ?
Yup I was a season ticket holder during Walter Smith's reign. To be honest I thought Smith worked minor miracles under very, very difficult circumstances (Johnson ownership etc). I also think football during that time was a better product for the spectator too (two strikers, less emphasis on packing the midfield) but that's a whole different debate ;De
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 02, 2016, 08:51:23 PM
.............if you thought that was turgid you never saw us under W.Smith esq.  ???
As for the booing I thought it was directed at Moss ?


I was at the game and Moss did get a bit of a tough time. Doesn't help that he's pretty much the worst ref in the league. He's not professional in the slightest.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: starblood on October 02, 2016, 08:55:00 PM
When did we get so self entitled as a fanbase?

It's always happened fella. You must've heard about the cushions raining down from the top balcony after a bad display in the seventies. I witnessed it when I was taken there as a kid - and it wasn't just the odd one or two.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 02, 2016, 09:03:43 PM
Yeah I think the booing was directed at the ref and a bit of frustration mixed in.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Shogun on October 02, 2016, 10:21:50 PM
Why would we boo Moss?

He was our best player.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Major Clanger on October 02, 2016, 10:32:32 PM
Booing seven games in when we are in a good position in the league is massive entitled twat behaviour

"But, but, but, I've paid for me ticket, I'm entitled to boo."
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 02, 2016, 10:37:21 PM
Do we boo less at League Cup games as it's only fifteen quid to get in for those games?
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 02, 2016, 11:50:17 PM
I know what'll make the team play better.... Let's use our home advantage to boo and groan at our players.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Silas on October 03, 2016, 12:01:42 AM
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Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Ross on October 03, 2016, 12:36:43 AM
I think there's more scope for booing in everyday life situations.

Not happy that your meal took longer than expected to be served?...BOOO

Person in front of you at the cash machine taking to long?...BOOO

Shit ending to the film?...BOOO

Get a big gas bill?...BOOO

Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: benny on October 03, 2016, 02:11:33 AM
What? We got booed of the pitch?

Fuck me
                              :batty:
                 
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: efcforlife on October 03, 2016, 02:29:03 AM
Boo'ing your own players.

Ha
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: everton1952 on October 03, 2016, 04:01:03 AM
Maybe we should call for a census of the few people who booed and ask was it against Moss or Everton? I guess the result might be maybe 150 people booed at the end of whom 105 booed at the awful ref, and the other 45 at Everton. Hard to tell from where I sat. I think we will never know the answer.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Goaljira on October 03, 2016, 04:24:03 AM
I think there's more scope for booing in everyday life situations.

Not happy that your meal took longer than expected to be served?...BOOO

Person in front of you at the cash machine taking to long?...BOOO

Shit ending to the film?...BOOO

Get a big gas bill?...BOOO
Bank Statements, there's something else open up to booing.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Silas on October 03, 2016, 04:27:36 AM
Maybe we should call for a census of the few people who booed and ask was it against Moss or Everton? I guess the result might be maybe 150 people booed at the end of whom 105 booed at the awful ref, and the other 45 at Everton. Hard to tell from where I sat. I think we will never know the answer.

Maybe we should switch to the traditional referees a wanker chant then? Ambiguity isn't helpful
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: blue slug on October 03, 2016, 04:39:13 AM
I thought it was a decent match to watch, end to end and having been a season ticket holder in the Walter smith and Mike walker eras it was certainly not turgid by comparison to the shit we used to suffer
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Goaljira on October 03, 2016, 04:44:57 AM
Maybe we should switch to the traditional referees a wander chant then? Ambiguity isn't helpful
You don't seem to hear 'the referees a wanker' sung as often these days.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Ross on October 03, 2016, 05:16:05 AM
Bank Statements, there's something else open up to booing.

You're so far behind the times with statements Gj.

Just a glimpse of my Barkleys app and I'm Boo Boo booing...
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Gash on October 03, 2016, 05:47:00 AM
You're so far behind the times with statements Gj.

Just a glimpse of my Barkleys app and I'm Boo Boo booing...

It's Barclay's. ;)
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Ross on October 03, 2016, 05:50:21 AM
It's Barclay's. ;)

...god dammit imagine spelling a players name wrong like that.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Major Clanger on October 03, 2016, 05:52:34 AM
You don't seem to hear 'the referees a wanker' sung as often these days.

This is why this country's gone to the dogs.

And speaking of dogs, we need more dogs on the pitch. You don't get to see that nowadays either. Only bloody cats and squirrels.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 03, 2016, 07:19:34 AM
Really though, surely the booing was at the ref?
I didn't take part in it either way like, but I'm pretty sure people weren't that pissed off with the performance.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: MarcusFenix on October 03, 2016, 03:14:14 PM
You're so far behind the times with statements Gj.

Just a glimpse of my Barkleys app and I'm Boo Boo booing...

Dunno about you but my quickly reducing bank balance makes me Boo Hoo :'(
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: phillyt on October 03, 2016, 03:21:52 PM
I gave a quick booo, but it was aimed at the ref. If, as we were subject too the last two seasons, we are served up appalling football, lack of effort, shocking results I think the crowd has every right to express displeasure at the end of the match. The most effective is the pantomime booing. Booing after the final whistle is ok in my book if the performance was not up to standard. A bigger problem is the utter fuckwits who shout and criticise players during the game no matter what they do.

Fridays performance wasn't great, but it wasn't that bad either. It didn't deserve a boo. So if you were aiming it at the team on Friday your a dick. If you were, like me, aiming it at the useless fat wastrel of a ref you are a splendid human being.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Lxxx on October 03, 2016, 03:51:49 PM
I think it was a second half that was devoid of energy, invention and any kind of tempo that tipped the boo boys over the edge.
Watching us get the run around from Crystal Palace, at home, wasn't nice to watch.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: ihatecollina on October 03, 2016, 04:10:10 PM
Apologies in advance of upsetting people... but if you are booing at the end of the game already then you are a massive twat.
People near me in the Top Balcony where at it too, told them to shut the fuck up in no uncertain terms....absolute bellends
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: everton1952 on October 03, 2016, 04:56:42 PM
I just read the earlier thread that it was a good game. I agree, I enjoyed the game with two sides going hard at it. Palace were the bigger, more direct team and  were better than us for much of the second half. I paid my money and I was entertained, so have nothing to complain about.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: GLewis on October 03, 2016, 05:22:05 PM

I think it was a second half that was devoid of energy, invention and any kind of tempo that tipped the boo boys over the edge.
Watching us get the run around from Crystal Palace, at home, wasn't nice to watch.

Tipped them over the edge after 7 games of the season?

There's no excuse for it this early on, especially when we were obviously trying it just want working in the second half for whatever reason.

And 7 games in when everyone before the season started would have taken 14 points, 5th and only 4 points off top.

Identifying areas for improvement, fine, there are obviously areas for improvement. But booing, predictions of relegation battles or 12th at best etc is ridiculous.

We should be looking at things and going along the lines of we look pretty solid, even when we're not playing well (which is the base foundations needed), and we've got a good points return without too many of our top end players playing well at all. If they do get some cohesion and form we should be winning games pretty comfortably.

Hyper criticism after such a short time period, when we've done well to pretty much all independent observers, only makes it harder for everyone to actually improve as hoped.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Lxxx on October 03, 2016, 05:50:45 PM
Tipped them over the edge after 7 games of the season?

There's no excuse for it this early on, especially when we were obviously trying it just want working in the second half for whatever reason.

And 7 games in when everyone before the season started would have taken 14 points, 5th and only 4 points off top.

Identifying areas for improvement, fine, there are obviously areas for improvement. But booing, predictions of relegation battles or 12th at best etc is ridiculous.

We should be looking at things and going along the lines of we look pretty solid, even when we're not playing well (which is the base foundations needed), and we've got a good points return without too many of our top end players playing well at all. If they do get some cohesion and form we should be winning games pretty comfortably.

Hyper criticism after such a short time period, when we've done well to pretty much all independent observers, only makes it harder for everyone to actually improve as hoped.

I agree. I'm not defending them but it's clear to see now that they weren't just Martinez boo boys but just general tossers who don't take much to release their inner twat.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 03, 2016, 06:29:44 PM
Another thing I noticed that was poor was a fair few fans just getting off around 85 mins or so.  Think it was after we put a chance wide.

Not just the usual beat the traffic crowd either, this was a significant amount.

That along with the booing is just proper self entitled, childish shite.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: starblood on October 03, 2016, 06:56:27 PM
Wow! Lots of self-righteousness going on in here.

We had 3 shots on target - and it felt like it. I thought it lacked entertainment despite people on here stating it was a good game. I used the word turgid, and to me a game without goal mouth action is just that. And yes, I've had my season ticket over 20 years (so have sat through all the Mike Walkers, Walter Smiths, Howard Kendall Part III games).

Fans at every club boo at the final whistle after unimpressive displays, not just Evertonians, and it is not dependent on where they sit in the table. It's nothing to get worked up about.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Alanvideo on October 03, 2016, 07:13:48 PM
Wow! Lots of self-righteousness going on in here.

We had 3 shots on target - and it felt like it. I thought it lacked entertainment despite people on here stating it was a good game. I used the word turgid, and to me a game without goal mouth action is just that. And yes, I've had my season ticket over 20 years (so have sat through all the Mike Walkers, Walter Smiths, Howard Kendall Part III games).

Fans at every club boo at the final whistle after unimpressive displays, not just Evertonians, and it is not dependent on where they sit in the table. It's nothing to get worked up about.

....................you should know by now that all NSNO'ers are perfect fans who sit patiently throughout the game ,never booing or groaning but applauding politely where necessary and never leaving their seats until the very end.  :cheers:
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Shogun on October 03, 2016, 07:18:43 PM
I boo my laptop
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Bluedylan on October 03, 2016, 07:19:29 PM
Wow! Lots of self-righteousness going on in here.

We had 3 shots on target - and it felt like it. I thought it lacked entertainment despite people on here stating it was a good game. I used the word turgid, and to me a game without goal mouth action is just that. And yes, I've had my season ticket over 20 years (so have sat through all the Mike Walkers, Walter Smiths, Howard Kendall Part III games).

Fans at every club boo at the final whistle after unimpressive displays, not just Evertonians, and it is not dependent on where they sit in the table. It's nothing to get worked up about.


It's not just booing though. It's the general attitude of some of our fans. People were phoning Radio Merseyside on Friday after the game saying we're in for a relegation battle, and it's already been suggested on here that Koeman is going to walk in January.

We're 5th in the league. It's really fucking weird to think like that. To me, that says the issue is about the mentality of certain fans, and nothing to do with the club, the team or Koeman.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: TheRam on October 03, 2016, 07:25:22 PM
The worst are those fans who justify this behaviour by saying the have higher standards and anyone who disagrees is accepting mediocrity.

Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 03, 2016, 07:34:41 PM
Fucking boring this. It's not an Everton specific problem, it's just football in general now.

No club in the PL is immune from being booed off the pitch on the back of one or 2 bad results bar maybe Liverpool atm with everyone wanting to suck Klopp off.

Chelsea were booed off after Liverpool beat them, their 1st defeat of the season IIRC.

Doesn't make it right that A SMALL MINORITY of our fans booed a poor performance but I'm sick of coming on here and seeing bellends complaining non stop about our own fans...
Atmosphere is shit.
Barkley gets too much stick.
Booing the team.
People wanted us to lose and Wembley.

Have a day off.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Alfie Noakes on October 03, 2016, 07:36:43 PM
I honestly don't want to come over to see another game as long as the atmosphere is like that.

I love going to Mainz games because the supporters sing throughout the whole game, whether it's 4-0 or 0-4.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 03, 2016, 07:38:51 PM
I honestly don't want to come over to see another game as long as the atmosphere is like that.

I love going to Mainz games because the supporters sing throughout the whole game, whether it's 4-0 or 0-4.

The curse of All-Seater stadiums and blokes who moan like fuck if you stand up mate.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Bluedylan on October 03, 2016, 07:38:57 PM
Fucking boring this. It's not an Everton specific problem, it's just football in general now.

No club in the PL is immune from being booed off the pitch on the back of one or 2 bad results bar maybe Liverpool atm with everyone wanting to suck Klopp off.

Chelsea were booed off after Liverpool beat them, their 1st defeat of the season IIRC.

Doesn't make it right that A SMALL MINORITY of our fans booed a poor performance but I'm sick of coming on here and seeing bellends complaining non stop about our own fans...
Atmosphere is shit.
Barkley gets too much stick.
Booing the team.
People wanted us to lose and Wembley.

Have a day off.

I mean, it's a thread about the booing being unnecessary, written by Si (I think). So he's entitled to give his view as the site owner, and people are entitled to discuss our fanbase. No one's gone over the top, or resorted to abuse or anything like that.

You're more than welcome to not participate in the conversation, but attempting to shut it down and calling people discussing it 'bellends' doesn't reflect particularly well on you.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 03, 2016, 07:40:29 PM
No one's gone over the top

It's not thread-specific, it's across the whole forum.

Constant moaning about our fans and support.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Cantoffie! on October 03, 2016, 07:44:47 PM
For a game under the lights at goodison the atmosphere did seem pretty shit, from the outside looking in that is. Nowhere near some of the great games at goodison I remember under the floodlights and thats saying something. My Tenure as a Toffee is only about 10 years.

Hope the supporters start shaking off the nerves, start smiling and singin. Its a great time to be a Toffee whether we are winning or losing. Lets get behind the team, not on their backs!! COYB!
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Lxxx on October 03, 2016, 07:48:43 PM
Fucking boring this. It's not an Everton specific problem, it's just football in general now.

No club in the PL is immune from being booed off the pitch on the back of one or 2 bad results bar maybe Liverpool atm with everyone wanting to suck Klopp off.

Chelsea were booed off after Liverpool beat them, their 1st defeat of the season IIRC.

Doesn't make it right that A SMALL MINORITY of our fans booed a poor performance but I'm sick of coming on here and seeing bellends complaining non stop about our own fans...
Atmosphere is shit.
Barkley gets too much stick.
Booing the team.
People wanted us to lose and Wembley.

Have a day off.

You do have a point.

There are the usual suspects of pseudo-intellectuals and the ones who think they're morally superior just because they've been posting for longer, which automatically makes their opinions a lot more valid.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Bluedylan on October 03, 2016, 07:50:38 PM
Clique
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Alanvideo on October 03, 2016, 07:57:33 PM
It's not thread-specific, it's across the whole forum.

Constant moaning about our fans and support.

....................he's got a point. 
We even get fans saying ' the atmosphere sounded shit on tv ' .FFS.
We've got 33,000 STH's . We don't go to boo.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 03, 2016, 08:06:25 PM
....................he's got a point. 
We even get fans saying ' the atmosphere sounded shit on tv ' .FFS.

Other than a big derby game, Everton vs Liverpool, United vs Liverpool, Spurs vs Arsenal etc, this is standard for any PL game.

Every single ground has a shit atmosphere for most of the 38 games a season.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: hill135 on October 03, 2016, 08:08:20 PM
Very strange atmosphere on here recently.

I should imagine it won't improve with the international break coming up.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Alanvideo on October 03, 2016, 08:19:00 PM
next home game is West Aim ,should be a good atmosphere watching them fight among themselves while admiring a proper football ground.  ;D
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: pjk on October 03, 2016, 08:27:04 PM
I don't manage to get to see many games at Goodison. I always turn up really excited to see the lads play, and let's face it, it's an absolute passion when you get there. It can all get ruined pretty quickly due to other supporters expectations. I've been to games where relegation was staring us in the face and we had little or no direction and only through the players and the crowds sheer bloody mindedness we actually managed to stay up. I think our fans need to get real. Ronald Koeman is a world footballing legend. I feel a bit embarrassed when we mistreat people like Koeman due to unrealistic ideas of grandeur. Yes, I want, and know, we can get back to the top of the tree where it comes to our great club, but some people make me want to hide my colours and that can't be right.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 03, 2016, 10:18:28 PM
I don't manage to get to see many games at Goodison. I always turn up really excited to see the lads play, and let's face it, it's an absolute passion when you get there. It can all get ruined pretty quickly due to other supporters expectations. I've been to games where relegation was staring us in the face and we had little or no direction and only through the players and the crowds sheer bloody mindedness we actually managed to stay up. I think our fans need to get real. Ronald Koeman is a world footballing legend. I feel a bit embarrassed when we mistreat people like Koeman due to unrealistic ideas of grandeur. Yes, I want, and know, we can get back to the top of the tree where it comes to our great club, but some people make me want to hide my colours and that can't be right.
That is so accurate. A lot of things in football have changed over the years but one thing I have seen get consistently worse is the ability of people to discuss the game in any depth. Two things that contribute greatly to this are:
The lack of appreciation of people doing their best. That is always the most we can expect of anyone. They may not be as good as some others, they may make mistakes but rather than acknowledge that they did their best we describe them as sh*te, we insult them , humiliate them and seize every opportunity to put them down.
The inability to see and appreciate how the other team played. Rarely have I seen credit given to the other side - they are usually seen as .... see paragraph above!
When we make these judgements it's worth remembering what we all share in common. We haven't been and never will be good enough to play at this level, manage at this level, or have any professional role in the game. Collectively we are the losers as we really were sh*te. Perhaps it takes sh*te to know sh*te ? Not one of us would even come close to being as good as the 2 currently demonised people (Niasse and Martinez) let alone the ones playing well.
How can there be any real discussion until we move from the juvenile and basically 'thick' assessments of players.
Collectively we need to raise our game as supporters to the level we want our players to reach in their world. I could go on!!
There is so much good in our club and football in general, it would be good to think we could raise it to an even better level?
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 03, 2016, 10:32:33 PM
That is so accurate. A lot of things in football have changed over the years but one thing I have seen get consistently worse is the ability of people to discuss the game in any depth. Two things that contribute greatly to this are:
The lack of appreciation of people doing their best. That is always the most we can expect of anyone. They may not be as good as some others, they may make mistakes but rather than acknowledge that they did their best we describe them as sh*te, we insult them , humiliate them and seize every opportunity to put them down.
The inability to see and appreciate how the other team played. Rarely have I seen credit given to the other side - they are usually seen as .... see paragraph above!
When we make these judgements it's worth remembering what we all share in common. We haven't been and never will be good enough to play at this level, manage at this level, or have any professional role in the game. Collectively we are the losers as we really were sh*te. Perhaps it takes sh*te to know sh*te ? Not one of us would even come close to being as good as the 2 currently demonised people (Niasse and Martinez) let alone the ones playing well.
How can there be any real discussion until we move from the juvenile and basically 'thick' assessments of players.
Collectively we need to raise our game as supporters to the level we want our players to reach in their world. I could go on!!
There is so much good in our club and football in general, it would be good to think we could raise it to an even better level?
Generation game

Generations before mine played football. My generation are possibly the last in playing football religiously, living, breathing it

Now it's more about paying it on a pc or a PlayStation etc

Everything has to be instantly, that's more because of sky and the money but for me, the game I love is dying in front of my eyes

There was no better feeling for me as a young lad than going the game with my dad, listening to his mates talking football and being in awe of them

We had a lad play for the vets on Saturday. He came on as sub (only about 25) we asked him what position he was playing, cam was his reply....

Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 03, 2016, 10:39:11 PM
Generation game

Generations before mine played football. My generation are possibly the last in playing football religiously, living, breathing it

Now it's more about paying it on a pc or a PlayStation etc

Everything has to be instantly, that's more because of sky and the money but for me, the game I love is dying in front of my eyes

There was no better feeling for me as a young lad than going the game with my dad, listening to his mates talking football and being in awe of them

We had a lad play for the vets on Saturday. He came on as sub (only about 25) we asked him what position he was playing, cam was his reply....

lolol

If anyone is to blame, it's certainly not the younger fans is all I can say.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 03, 2016, 10:48:14 PM
lolol

If anyone is to blame, it's certainly not the younger fans is all I can say.
The whole want it now is a younger generation thing, not just in football
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Lxxx on October 04, 2016, 12:28:09 AM
Let's not get too teary eyed about fans being too harsh on players.

I'm sure a number of us were there in the dark days of Walter Smith and watching the shite being served up but through it all I can't remember walking out the ground or having a pint afterwards and hearing moans about players not putting a shift in or not turning up too often. I distinctly remember having an argument with a guy about Mark Pembridge as although he wasn't the most gifted, like a lot of that squad, he worked his nuts off which is all you can ask and it was reciprocated in the crowd getting behind the team to keep us up more than once.

When you look at the ability of some of this squad and you see the effort they have put in on the pitch over the past few years, sometimes leaving the pitch with clean shorts and hardly breaking sweat because of the slow tempo, they leave themselves open to criticism. Also contrary to other peoples opinions about it being the younger generation I think it's the older generation who are the most critical in my experience, as they can compare this lot to generations before who worked their nuts off with a fraction of the ability and for a fraction of the reward.

So if some of the players get a bit of abuse for walking around a football pitch and leaving fans feeling a bit short changed after forking out well over 100 for a family day out then so be it. They're professional sportsmen and it comes with the territory, you get back from the crowd what you put in on the pitch.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 04, 2016, 12:31:26 AM
It's not usually the younger ones moaning though is it. Everywhere I've sat (in 25 or so years I've only had a season ticket in different parts of either the Lower Gwladys or the Park End) it's usually fellas 40+ that shout the most shite at a game, in fact nearly every time I've heard something bad about Lukaku or Barkley in the past 2 years it's not come from anyone I would say is young.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Silas on October 04, 2016, 12:59:49 AM
Young or old, twats the lot of them.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: everton1952 on October 04, 2016, 01:09:39 AM
Football is as it always was, the nation's favourite sport. It is massively popular with big crowds in both the PL and the second tier. The standard has never been higher, thanks mainly to the influx of foreign players into the top two tiers of the game.   Money has changed everything, and it alone has altered fans' view of players, all of whom in the PL, regardless of ability or lack of it, are millionaires. That produces negativity at all our grounds, except those who always serve up winners because of their fantastic wealth. There are more TV fans than ever before, probably countless, who would never dream of going out and paying to watch their favourite team, but still call themselves fans, which I suppose they are. My Red neighbours never go, but they are decked out in red shirts on match day and enjoy themselves that way. The game is rock solid, has massive support and always will be our number one game.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 04, 2016, 01:25:55 AM
It doesn't matter which age group does it, and I'm including the comments on forums not just who boos at a match?
Not getting st Lxxx - just using one of his examples to illustrate a point but comments like ' not breaking sweat', 'clean shorts', 'walking' etc take no account of the modern game. Players are told what to do and not to do more than at any time in the history of the game. A lot of the modern game doesn't include tackling any more, the game is slow all round except in short bursts and the instructions given by managers to players to stay in a certain position rather than charging around take preference. I presume from the comments that the implication is that the modern game is not as good to watch. I think I would agree with that even though the individual skills are probably far better and so quick that a lot of it is missed.
Perhaps a better example of what I mean is the new manager. I'm presuming he has a plan and that it will take time to achieve his goals. I hope I can enjoy the transition, seeing it grow from where we are now to trophies. That transition will have failures as well as successes and what Koeman has now is a squad he will want to change drastically. In the meantime he has to go with what he has whilst at the same time building a way of playing that he wants to carry forward long term. Some players won't be able to adapt as well as others but he still has to use them now.
Personally I can see progress from last season which I find comforting but I also see there is a long way to go. I will take pleasure from the transition as well - not just the end result as many only appear to be able to do. (Not aimed at Lxxx!)

Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Optimistic Blue on October 04, 2016, 01:54:09 AM
I am sure the players are gutted.

Although if they were i would have serious concerns to be honest...x
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Lxxx on October 04, 2016, 02:21:30 AM
Just to be clear, my post wasn't endorsing the boo boys. Just that some on here are a bit precious when it comes to criticism of players, which is every fan's right as everyone has different opinions.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 04, 2016, 02:26:52 AM
I don't think players should be immune from criticism, it's the simplistic and stupid things that stifle debate that bug me.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 04, 2016, 02:36:43 AM
Managing expectations was always Koeman's biggest challenge from day one. Perhaps it's PTMD? We really need to accept this is gonna take time.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Ross on October 04, 2016, 04:20:11 AM
Fucking boring this. It's not an Everton specific problem, it's just football in general now.

No club in the PL is immune from being booed off the pitch on the back of one or 2 bad results bar maybe Liverpool atm with everyone wanting to suck Klopp off.

Chelsea were booed off after Liverpool beat them, their 1st defeat of the season IIRC.

Doesn't make it right that A SMALL MINORITY of our fans booed a poor performance but I'm sick of coming on here and seeing bellends complaining non stop about our own fans...
Atmosphere is shit.
Barkley gets too much stick.
Booing the team.
People wanted us to lose and Wembley.

Have a day off.

Sounds like what you need is a big cathartic Booo.

Just pick a target, anything, maybe even go into the garden and give the moon a good booing. Let it all out.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 04, 2016, 02:18:10 PM
Sounds like what you need is a big cathartic Booo.

Just pick a target, anything, maybe even go into the garden and give the moon a good booing. Let it all out.

As tragically unfunny as ever. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Frank1988 on October 04, 2016, 08:41:28 PM
fans expected better performance,the boos equal disappointment :headbang:
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 05, 2016, 03:16:52 PM
A little boo at the final whistle as an expression of disappointment is not too bad. By the time the players walk off we are usually applauding their efforts.
More annoying is groaning at a misplaced pass after fifteen minutes if we're not leading; or shouts of, "These are shit" directed at any opponent below second in the league, when what the team needs is encouragement. 
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Tinga on October 05, 2016, 05:10:30 PM
Some old miserable fuckers on here.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Macca77 on October 05, 2016, 05:14:00 PM
Paying 13 nicker for 2 bottles of coke and some mistrels for my kids deserve a massive booo from me
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 05, 2016, 10:43:01 PM
Some old miserable fuckers on here.

Shame said miserable fuckers couldn't have been at this game last night to enjoy some real atmosphere.....



What a night. Fuck football  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Bingham Boy on October 06, 2016, 02:34:59 PM
I reckon it's become trendy to boo, and they feel it shows in a twisted way that you're a rebel against footy fans in general as though you're a true blue if you're a moody arl arse. So any excuse will do to boo.

Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2016, 09:33:42 PM
Keisuke Honda doesn't like getting booed at Milan

Seven times European champions Milan have failed to win any major silverware in the past five years and missed out on a qualification spot for Europe for a third successive campaign last season.
"In Japan, there's basically no booing. In Milan, I think there's far too much of it," Honda, who is back with the national team for the upcoming World Cup qualifiers against Iraq and Australia, was quoted as saying by the Kyodo news agency.
"What's really wrong in Milan is that when you're down during a game, they just completely abandon you. I feel absolutely no love.
"But as soon as you start winning, they treat you like family. So what's it about to them, just numbers and winning or losing?"

http://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2016/10/05/57f4d584ca47413a0b8b45ab.html
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 06, 2016, 11:38:06 PM
Keisuke Honda doesn't like getting booed at Milan

And?
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: brap2 on October 07, 2016, 04:24:00 AM
And?


Did you not find that interesting at all?

That a pro footballer would talk publically about the feeling of being out on the pitch when the crowd turn against them for losing - you don't think there are some parallels between the conversation we've been having here and the article I've posted?

Am I miles off here? I thought it was interesting.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: efcforlife on October 07, 2016, 04:45:07 AM

Did you not find that interesting at all?

That a pro footballer would talk publically about the feeling of being out on the pitch when the crowd turn against them for losing - you don't think there are some parallels between the conversation we've been having here and the article I've posted?

Am I miles off here? I thought it was interesting.

I think it's fair to say that no player is going to enjoy the crowd booing them.

It's a bit of a no brainer.

Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 07, 2016, 11:43:30 AM
Did you not find that interesting at all?

I just take it as a given that a pro sportsman doesn't like to be booed by their own fans. Doubt there's a single player in the world who enjoys it!
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Lxxx on October 07, 2016, 05:09:32 PM
I know there are parallels in the actual booing but in Milan's case it's like a spoilt child who no longer gets what it wants whereas our fans just want to see the effort and application they saw in recent times.
I can't remember it being this bad in the latter years under Moyes.

I really do think the Martinez years have tipped the balance with idiots now being more vocal and impressionable fans jumping on the bandwagon. That and the fact that tactically at home he had no idea in how to approach games to take it to the opposition, which caused the frustration. The away support seems at odds with the home support, largely because we played better away as teams came at us.

It'll take time but I think the boos will disappear as our pressing and effort under Koeman increase and the home results improve.

ETA: I also don't think Koeman will be concerned in the slightest at any boos. He's already implied we're not harsh enough on our players in this country with our criticisms and he'll probably just point it out to the players and tell them to man up and pick up his instructions a bit quicker.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 07, 2016, 05:20:11 PM
I seriously can't think of an occasion when I have seen a fan at the match boo a particular player. I remember the sarcastic cheer when Howard caught a ball last season (which i thought was stupid), and the groans when Stones was Cruyff turning in our own box, and obviously I've seen fans boo at the end of a game when we have looked like we haven't tried (I don't really agree with that either), although i'm pretty sure the boos at the end of the last game were aimed at the ref.

The Alex Nyarko confrontation is the only time i can remember a fan doing something where the player knew for a fact a fan was pissed off with him.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 07, 2016, 05:26:26 PM
Fuck me i stayed and booed my arse off at that Bolton 4 nil loss a few years ago.
I stayed through the last 10 minutes of that match specifically to boo the bastards off the pitch after that game.

But there is a high threshold of turgidness i have to witness from an Everton team before i boo them off the pitch.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: Alanvideo on October 07, 2016, 05:40:33 PM
I seriously can't think of an occasion when I have seen a fan at the match boo a particular player. I remember the sarcastic cheer when Howard caught a ball last season (which i thought was stupid), and the groans when Stones was Cruyff turning in our own box, and obviously I've seen fans boo at the end of a game when we have looked like we haven't tried (I don't really agree with that either), although i'm pretty sure the boos at the end of the last game were aimed at the ref.

The Alex Nyarko confrontation is the only time i can remember a fan doing something where the player knew for a fact a fan was pissed off with him.
................exactly this and I really wish the mods would close this thread.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: TheRam on October 07, 2016, 06:02:20 PM
I seriously can't think of an occasion when I have seen a fan at the match boo a particular player. I remember the sarcastic cheer when Howard caught a ball last season (which i thought was stupid), and the groans when Stones was Cruyff turning in our own box, and obviously I've seen fans boo at the end of a game when we have looked like we haven't tried (I don't really agree with that either), although i'm pretty sure the boos at the end of the last game were aimed at the ref.

The Alex Nyarko confrontation is the only time i can remember a fan doing something where the player knew for a fact a fan was pissed off with him.

Fella by me at the Watford game last season booed Kone when he came on and got off straight away.

Awful behaviour.
Title: Re: [News]Boo boys need more patience
Post by: ally2 on October 07, 2016, 11:39:29 PM

Fella by me at the Watford game last season booed Kone when he came on and got off straight away.

Awful behaviour.

Haha. Sounds like it was on his 'to do' list