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Title: Jagielka
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 05, 2016, 07:58:03 PM
http://www.90min.com/posts/3899237-stats-show-phil-jagielka-is-the-most-dominant-premier-league-player-in-the-air?utm_medium=share&utm_source=fotmob

Dominant in the air??
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Ross on October 05, 2016, 08:08:40 PM
Strange they say this at the end

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In the top 20 there is a significant lack of players coming from the league's leading clubs, which many will suggest is because leakier defences of the division face far more crosses and long balls than the likes of Arsenal, Manchester City and Liverpool.

When there's only Spurs who's conceded less than us and Jan Vertonghen is joint 5th on the list according to their article along side Virgil van Dijk of Southampton who have the 3rd best defensive record so far this season.

Almost like it's a bullshit filler piece to make the redshite feel better about their porous defence.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Major Clanger on October 05, 2016, 08:25:15 PM
http://www.90min.com/posts/3899237-stats-show-phil-jagielka-is-the-most-dominant-premier-league-player-in-the-air?utm_medium=share&utm_source=fotmob

Dominant in the air??

Headed clearances doesn't necessarily mean contested clearances. He could be just positioning well to clear incoming crosses, which we actually know he does.

Also, while the point about "leakier defences" facing more long ball is obviously bollocks, at this early stage in the league it really matters who your opponents had been: we had West Brom, Stoke, Sunderland and Crystal Palace, all of them relying heavily on putting in lots of hopeful crosses.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 05, 2016, 09:25:03 PM
Headed clearances doesn't necessarily mean contested clearances. He could be just positioning well to clear incoming crosses, which we actually know he does.


So he has good positioning then!!
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: TheRam on October 05, 2016, 10:12:06 PM
Still concede too many goals from crosses though.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 05, 2016, 10:21:05 PM
I'm more than happy with our defending. We haven't conceded more than one goal each game, compared to the piss weak defending we saw last season.

We just need to find a good balance in the final third.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Lxxx on October 05, 2016, 11:19:45 PM
I'm more than happy with our defending. We haven't conceded more than one goal each game, compared to the piss weak defending we saw last season.

We just need to find a good balance in the final third.

As well as we're doing restricting the opposition to very few attempts on goal the attempts that do make it on target are usually ending up in the net. I think I read a stat that said the last 5 attempts have all ended as goals against and Stek has hardly made a save otherwise. So positives and negatives.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 05, 2016, 11:57:20 PM
As well as we're doing restricting the opposition to very few attempts on goal the attempts that do make it on target are usually ending up in the net. I think I read a stat that said the last 5 attempts have all ended as goals against and Stek has hardly made a save otherwise. So positives and negatives.
He made a save against a delaney header last week, first save in 6 attempts was the stat I read
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Lxxx on October 06, 2016, 12:07:15 AM
He made a save against a delaney header last week, first save in 6 attempts was the stat I read

I must have read it just before Delaney went up for the header.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 06, 2016, 12:10:45 AM
Stats are misleading though aren't they?

Stanislas' goal was a peach.

Naismith's deflected off his own foot.

Benteke's was one of the best headers you'll see all season.

Whatshisface for Boro, that was a foul on Stek. The Beast or whatever his nickname is.... Negredo. I got there in the end.

The 5th one must have been Norwich's second goal, and I think that was a good strike as well, can't remember exactly. Can anyone enlighten me?

There's been no sloppy goals conceded. This can only be a good thing. Although, I realise we will see clearly what flaws we have when we play City next.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Lxxx on October 06, 2016, 12:42:52 AM
Stats are misleading though aren't they?

Stanislas' goal was a peach.

Naismith's deflected off his own foot.

Benteke's was one of the best headers you'll see all season.

Whatshisface for Boro, that was a foul on Stek. The Beast or whatever his nickname is.... Negredo. I got there in the end.

The 5th one must have been Norwich's second goal, and I think that was a good strike as well, can't remember exactly. Can anyone enlighten me?

There's been no sloppy goals conceded. This can only be a good thing. Although, I realise we will see clearly what flaws we have when we play City next.

You're right, but there's more than one way at looking at those goals.

Stanislas had all the time in the world to pick that that one. Very little pressing.

Naismith was clean through on goal. The finish was fortuitous but he was allowed to get in one on one pretty easily.

Benteke's was a good header granted but Stek was a bit flat footed.

For the Boro goal Stek got his positioning all wrong and ended up ahead of the flight of the ball, catching it facing his own corner flag. Granted it was a foul but a cleaner leap from Negredo and it was a simple header into an empty net.

Norwich's second was a great strike but he waltzed in pretty easily and wasn't pressed so if you're giving players time and space like that you're gonna get punished, like the Stanislas goal.

The truth is somewhere inbetween the two perspectives but stats are stats.

Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 06, 2016, 01:03:50 AM
Stats will also prove that the last England manager won every game he was in charge of. No one else can claim that.
Stats need to be looked at in context and can be useful or people wouldn't do them or pay for them. Probably the best way to use them is to look for trends rather drawing exact conclusions.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 06, 2016, 01:07:31 AM

You're right, but there's more than one way at looking at those goals.

Stanislas had all the time in the world to pick that that one. Very little pressing.

Naismith was clean through on goal. The finish was fortuitous but he was allowed to get in one on one pretty easily.

Benteke's was a good header granted but Stek was a bit flat footed.

For the Boro goal Stek got his positioning all wrong and ended up ahead of the flight of the ball, catching it facing his own corner flag. Granted it was a foul but a cleaner leap from Negredo and it was a simple header into an empty net.

Norwich's second was a great strike but he waltzed in pretty easily and wasn't pressed so if you're giving players time and space like that you're gonna get punished, like the Stanislas goal.

The truth is somewhere inbetween the two perspectives but stats are stats.

Touché.

Yeah you're right it's probably somewhere in between.

But I'm still more than satisfied with the start to the season. We're much more solid and I didn't expect us to be so close to the top 4 after the last two seasons.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Major Clanger on October 06, 2016, 01:16:49 AM
You're right, but there's more than one way at looking at those goals.

Stanislas had all the time in the world to pick that that one. Very little pressing.

Naismith was clean through on goal. The finish was fortuitous but he was allowed to get in one on one pretty easily.

Benteke's was a good header granted but Stek was a bit flat footed.

For the Boro goal Stek got his positioning all wrong and ended up ahead of the flight of the ball, catching it facing his own corner flag. Granted it was a foul but a cleaner leap from Negredo and it was a simple header into an empty net.

Norwich's second was a great strike but he waltzed in pretty easily and wasn't pressed so if you're giving players time and space like that you're gonna get punished, like the Stanislas goal.

The truth is somewhere inbetween the two perspectives but stats are stats.

I think what this demonstrates that the occasional goalkeeping wobble notwithstanding we've cut out the silliest errors. Now it's down to getting rid of the more complex errors, like the defensive line and the midfield not pressing together.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: blue1948 on October 07, 2016, 11:48:41 AM
The interpretation of stats is what you want to prove and in that they are only of use to you and like minded people .As shown by the stats on Allardyce who if you want the stats -after every game he signed a 400,000 pound contract .They are only fit for purpose
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 07, 2016, 05:22:15 PM
Jags withdrawn from squad,   hope not too serious  or Mori may get his wish

slight thigh strain  should be fine for City
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Lxxx on October 07, 2016, 05:31:55 PM
Jags withdrawn from squad,   hope not too serious  or Mori may get his wish

Don't blame him. He's not gonna get a game for England barring a catastrophe and at his age he could probably do with the rest and recuperation in these international breaks.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Ross on October 07, 2016, 05:34:16 PM
Time for Jags to pack in international football.
Title: Re: Jagielka
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 07, 2016, 11:58:16 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-phil-jagielka-says-ashley-11992541

Wins headers and moans at the ref!!