Post by: Jimmywhack on January 31, 2017, 11:07:57 PM
I'll kick it off with this assured pen last night
https://twitter.com/simonwatt1/status/826169435413237760
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 31, 2017, 11:13:34 PM
Post by: Confucius on January 31, 2017, 11:13:54 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 31, 2017, 11:14:01 PM
Post by: TheRam on January 31, 2017, 11:15:13 PM
Seems to be getting more and more interest lately regarding how they get on, signings etc so a thread maybe nice to keep upto date
I'll kick it off with this assured pen last night
https://twitter.com/simonwatt1/status/826169435413237760
Give that lad the armband
Post by: Bally on February 01, 2017, 12:05:44 AM
Their last game of the season is against Liverpool. If they can or already have won the league by then we should totally have that game at GoodisonGot a message on twitter about this, I have put it to the fans forum to see if there's anything we can do to persuade for that to happen, it may already be in the planning though.
Post by: Toddacelli on February 01, 2017, 12:14:00 AM
Got a message on twitter about this, I have put it to the fans forum to see if there's anything we can do to persuade for that to happen, it may already be in the planning though.
They've got my vote Bally - make sure you tell them that!
Post by: MmmblueBernard on February 01, 2017, 12:53:35 AM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on February 01, 2017, 12:56:01 AM
Post by: pjk on February 01, 2017, 01:03:27 AM
That penalty is mint. I can smell the Utd keepers fume from here. Twat.
Serves their keeper right giving it the big one. He looks a bit feisty young Sambou. :)
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 01, 2017, 01:26:32 AM
Post by: Confucius on February 01, 2017, 01:52:04 AM
Who played 14 last night? Someone on a Utd forum said they couldn't cope with him at all
Donkor
Post by: American Evertonian on February 01, 2017, 02:04:50 AM
Donkor
Lookman on one wing and Donkor on the other. Bright future if they live up to the hype.
Post by: Danny on February 01, 2017, 03:05:56 AM
Post by: bigmanbob on February 01, 2017, 03:17:49 AM
Are we six clear now?Yep, City who are 2nd drew 3-3
Post by: Craig_1878 on February 01, 2017, 04:29:57 AM
Donkor
It was Sambou - Donkor was No 11.
He looks an exciting prospect does Sambou, quick and has an eye for goal.
Liam Walsh has looked a tidy player whenever I've seen him too.
Post by: Outworlder47 on February 07, 2017, 02:55:12 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 07, 2017, 02:56:16 AM
City won earlier to cut the gap to 3 points. Our U23s are in action against Arsenal, and just went up 1-0 in the 86th minute through Nathan Broadhead. Looks like that's the final, so we restore the 6 point lead atop the table!Thought broadbend had left
Post by: brap2 on February 07, 2017, 03:44:18 AM
Post by: TheRam on February 07, 2017, 04:33:26 AM
Impressive
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 07, 2017, 05:41:26 AM
Post by: Outworlder47 on February 07, 2017, 05:47:05 AM
Am i right in thinking there are 6 games left?
Looks like it. Southampton, at Manchester City, at Derby, Tottenham, at Chelsea, and Liverpool. The City game is massive, as we could potentially open up a 9 point gap with four games remaining, and conceivably wrap up the title the following match.
Post by: bigmanbob on February 07, 2017, 01:44:47 PM
Thought broadbend had leftNope there was an Echo article on hima couple of weeks ago, he's another they've high hopes for
Post by: bigmanbob on February 07, 2017, 01:46:28 PM
City won earlier to cut the gap to 3 points. Our U23s are in action against Arsenal, and just went up 1-0 in the 86th minute through Nathan Broadhead. Looks like that's the final, so we restore the 6 point lead atop the table!Sounded like awful conditions, the report I read said Donkor struggled a bit last night but the defense was absolutely unbreakable lead expertly by Matthew Pennington
Post by: Macca77 on February 07, 2017, 02:53:25 PM
Post by: Lxxx on February 07, 2017, 03:52:50 PM
The future is looking really good
We just need to make sure we utilise the loan system well to ensure we get decent amounts for ones who won't make it here. Like the shite seem to do.
Post by: Hawkandro on February 07, 2017, 06:12:49 PM
Thought broadbend had left
Nathan Holland left to join West Ham. Broadhead is meant to be very highly rated. Natural goalscorer (I read somewhere) apparently.
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 07, 2017, 06:29:27 PM
Nathan Holland left to join West Ham. Broadhead is meant to be very highly rated. Natural goalscorer (I read somewhere) apparently.Thought Id read two lads had played for Stoke (I think) with the thoughts of leaving
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 07, 2017, 07:26:55 PM
Thought Id read two lads had played for Stoke (I think) with the thoughts of leavingwas definitely 2. I read that article. No clue who though
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 07, 2017, 07:31:23 PM
Bainbridge broadbend
Tomato tomatoe
Post by: Lxxx on February 07, 2017, 08:11:37 PM
Post by: pjk on February 07, 2017, 08:22:39 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/02/07/faultless-pennington-led-the-way
Post by: Lxxx on February 07, 2017, 08:31:03 PM
Post by: TheRam on February 07, 2017, 08:46:43 PM
Always impressed me when I've seen him play. He got an injury at the worst possible time.
I think he'll be in contention of Baines gets injured.
I do worry that he and browning may get lost in the shuffle.
Post by: Lxxx on February 07, 2017, 08:51:18 PM
Pennington coming in for some serious praise.
Always impressed me when I've seen him play. He got an injury at the worst possible time.
I think he'll be in contention of Baines gets injured.
I do worry that he and browning may get lost in the shuffle.
Pennington is right footed though ain't he? I'm not sure if he'll come into the same category as Galloway/Garbutt/Robinson on the left.
Post by: TheRam on February 07, 2017, 08:53:34 PM
Pennington is right footed though ain't he? I'm not sure if he'll come into the same category as Galloway/Garbutt/Robinson on the left.
Galloways out on loan.
Garbutt trains with the under 23s
And is Robinson any good? Can't say I've heard of him tbh
Pennington is already very versatile so I think he could perform the role if required
Post by: bigmanbob on February 07, 2017, 09:01:07 PM
Thought Id read two lads had played for Stoke (I think) with the thoughts of leavingHow unfortunate for them, I could think of nothing worse
Post by: Hawkandro on February 07, 2017, 10:44:17 PM
Post by: Confucius on February 07, 2017, 11:01:36 PM
Post by: Rhys on February 07, 2017, 11:41:05 PM
Pennington seems to be getting lots of plaudits today. I know he's been injured for a while and he's now 22 but is he good enough to make it? Anyone seen much of him? He seemed to be overlooked in the Browning/Stones/Holgate hype.
Only seen him limited times but I dont think he will make it at us, seems the type that will end up going to a Championship team and could then rise into becoming a premier league level defender. He isnt massive, not small either but I'm unsure whether he lacks a bit of pace but certainly seems like he knows how to defend when ive seen him at various levels.
Given we are heavily linked with Keane and VVD, looked like we tried for Manolas etc a major centre half signing is one of our priorities. If we get that signing, have Williams, Mori, Holgate ahead of him then it's hard to see where he will get many games. At his age 22 it is getting to the point where he is that far down the order that he himself must be thinking is it better to look down the Forshaw route and go and play week in week out at a lower level and build a career.
Post by: Lxxx on February 07, 2017, 11:46:20 PM
Only seen him limited times but I dont think he will make it at us, seems the type that will end up going to a Championship team and could then rise into becoming a premier league level defender. He isnt massive, not small either but I'm unsure whether he lacks a bit of pace but certainly seems like he knows how to defend when ive seen him at various levels.
Given we are heavily linked with Keane and VVD, looked like we tried for Manolas etc a major centre half signing is one of our priorities. If we get that signing, have Williams, Mori, Holgate ahead of him then it's hard to see where he will get many games. At his age 22 it is getting to the point where he is that far down the order that he himself must be thinking is it better to look down the Forshaw route and go and play week in week out at a lower level and build a career.
Let's get him out on loan to a decent championship side so that we can put him in the shop window and get some proper money for him then. Letting his contract run down after a stint at somewhere like Oxford is what the old Everton used to do with our half decent prospects.
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 07, 2017, 11:55:32 PM
Let's get him out on loan to a decent championship side so that we can put him in the shop window and get some proper money for him then. Letting his contract run down after a stint at somewhere like Oxford is what the old Everton used to do with our half decent prospects.Bournemouth were willing to pay 6m for a lad from Liverpool who barely played for Liverpool..... we really don't make enough money off our young lads
Post by: Lxxx on February 08, 2017, 12:02:40 AM
Bournemouth were willing to pay 6m for a lad from Liverpool who barely played for Liverpool..... we really don't make enough money off our young lads
They also got £15m for a lad who had barely done anything but just because Rodgers called him the new Raheem Sterling it got everyone excited.
We'll never get the value the shite get but something would be nice.
Post by: Ross on February 08, 2017, 12:21:02 AM
We've a duty of career after all and still need to help them make the most of their career and talent as an when a decision is made to move them on.
Post by: brap2 on February 08, 2017, 12:26:13 AM
Galloways out on loan.
Garbutt trains with the under 23s
And is Robinson any good? Can't say I've heard of him tbh
Pennington is already very versatile so I think he could perform the role if required
Highly rated Robinson, despite being mega young like 17/18 I think??
Post by: Lxxx on February 08, 2017, 12:33:45 AM
Much rather we do right by the academy graduates that don't make the grade here and look to set them on the best career path for themselves rather than worry about making a few million pound here and there.
We've a duty of career after all and still need to help them make the most of their career and talent as an when a decision is made to move them on.
Which is why striving to send them out on loan at the highest possible level is the best we can do for them. I clearly don't know the ins and outs but players like Ledson for example, who was highly rated by everyone not just within the club but at international level, finds himself at Oxford and others like him find themselves lost in the lower leagues. Whereas the shite's obscure reserves find themselves still at a decent level when they move on.
I think the more professional setup we have now will reap dividends not just for us but for the kids as well.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on February 08, 2017, 12:50:35 AM
They also got £15m for a lad who had barely done anything but just because Rodgers called him the new Raheem Sterling it got everyone excited.I feel sorry for these young lads with the terrible black stain on their souls.....
We'll never get the value the shite get but something would be nice.
Post by: Ross on February 08, 2017, 12:56:07 AM
Which is why striving to send them out on loan at the highest possible level is the best we can do for them. I clearly don't know the ins and outs but players like Ledson for example, who was highly rated by everyone not just within the club but at international level, finds himself at Oxford and others like him find themselves lost in the lower leagues. Whereas the shite's obscure reserves find themselves still at a decent level when they move on.
I think the more professional setup we have now will reap dividends not just for us but for the kids as well.
No sending them to the club that offers them the best possible opportunities of advancement is the right thing to for them, you only have to see how Galloway has fared this season at West Brom to see that. If he'd have gone to Newcastle or Derby it's likely he'd have came back in the summer with 40 odd senior games under his belt rather than having spent 40 odd games sat on his backside. Sadly we decided to prioritise the money over the players advancement and we and him will be worse off for it in the long run.
I can't believe youre making a comparison to the shite as well. Our academy has proven far superior over the last 20+ years in comparison to theirs. We've produced footballers fit for the premiership time and again in that period, saving ourselves multiple millions in the process, as well as launching dozens of local kids into professional football.
It's a ridiculous point, the sale of Wayne Rooney alone has probably eclipsed whatever the shite have gained from their graduate sales in the last 20 years, that's before you factor in the fees for Rodwell, Anichebe, Vaughan.....
All we need to do is carry on doing right by individual like we have been, it's clearly working.
Do right by each and every graduate and don't treat them as pieces of meat.
Post by: Lxxx on February 08, 2017, 01:46:43 AM
No sending them to the club that offers them the best possible opportunities of advancement is the right thing to for them, you only have to see how Galloway has fared this season at West Brom to see that. If he'd have gone to Newcastle or Derby it's likely he'd have came back in the summer with 40 odd senior games under his belt rather than having spent 40 odd games sat on his backside. Sadly we decided to prioritise the money over the players advancement and we and him will be worse off for it in the long run.
I can't believe youre making a comparison to the shite as well. Our academy has proven far superior over the last 20+ years in comparison to theirs. We've produced footballers fit for the premiership time and again in that period, saving ourselves multiple millions in the process, as well as launching dozens of local kids into professional football.
It's a ridiculous point, the sale of Wayne Rooney alone has probably eclipsed whatever the shite have gained from their graduate sales in the last 20 years, that's before you factor in the fees for Rodwell, Anichebe, Vaughan.....
All we need to do is carry on doing right by individual like we have been, it's clearly working.
Do right by each and every graduate and don't treat them as pieces of meat.
There was nothing wrong with the Galloway loan in principle, he'd be getting valuable experience at the top level under a defensive manager. He started the season playing in the 1st team but a run of poor form and the failure to put in a recall clause meant it wasn't as beneficial as planned. It was definitely worth a shot.
As I said, the new setup we have across the whole club will benefit everyone concerned now from top to bottom.
Post by: Hawkandro on February 08, 2017, 01:55:32 AM
Post by: Ross on February 08, 2017, 04:44:42 AM
There was nothing wrong with the Galloway loan in principle, he'd be getting valuable experience at the top level under a defensive manager. He started the season playing in the 1st team but a run of poor form and the failure to put in a recall clause meant it wasn't as beneficial as planned. It was definitely worth a shot.
As I said, the new setup we have across the whole club will benefit everyone concerned now from top to bottom.
What apart from the simple fact Pulis has no history of developing young talent?
He was taken in as back up when they had an injury crisis and as soon as senior players were fit they took his place. It wasn't to do with form that he was dropped, because Galloways form was fine, in fact they did quite well in the 3 games he started in if I recall correctly. It was just a poor choice of club and just because they're a premiership club, a "big club", shouldn't come into it for what should be obvious reasons.
I'm also pretty sure you can't place a recall option when it's a long term loan is between two premiership clubs.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 08, 2017, 05:02:06 AM
Much rather we do right by the academy graduates that don't make the grade here and look to set them on the best career path for themselves rather than worry about making a few million pound here and there.
We've a duty of career after all and still need to help them make the most of their career and talent as an when a decision is made to move them on.
Was about to say the very same. Thankfully I think this is the attitude we have, the Jose Baxter situation being an indication of such.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 08, 2017, 05:21:45 AM
It takes three to tango. They wanted him, he wanted to go, we wanted him to prove that he's Prem standard. Let's get the deal done.
I don't remember anyone moaning that he went there, with many enthused that it was smart business. At the end of the day it's Galloway' a fault that he can't overtake Chris Brunt as West Brom's left back.
Seems like someone continues to make shit up just to argue with people on the internet.
Post by: Rhys on February 08, 2017, 06:14:35 AM
What apart from the simple fact Pulis has no history of developing young talent?
He was taken in as back up when they had an injury crisis and as soon as senior players were fit they took his place. It wasn't to do with form that he was dropped, because Galloways form was fine, in fact they did quite well in the 3 games he started in if I recall correctly. It was just a poor choice of club and just because they're a premiership club, a "big club", shouldn't come into it for what should be obvious reasons.
I'm also pretty sure you can't place a recall option when it's a long term loan is between two premiership clubs.
Chelsea did with ake which is why they brought him back in January.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 08, 2017, 09:13:51 AM
At West Brom he's behind some good players in that West Brom team, guys who are having a great season. There's no shame in not being able to force his way in. Neither is he a left back by trade. We played him there and he looked alright but he's a centre back. Given Pulis' penchant for absolute cloggers at the back does Galloway actually fit the mold?
More realistically West Brom saw a cheap option of providing cover for their defence. If we are interested in the development of the player and see him as a long term option this isn't good for us. Neither is it good for the player.
Perhaps we don't see his future with us? Perhaps we were lead on by West Brom and this was their intentions all along? Perhaps Pulis simply doesn't rate Galloway as much as he thought he did and plans have changed?
If we do see his future with us, then West Brom was the wrong option. That much is obvious.
Post by: Major Clanger on February 08, 2017, 04:31:25 PM
Chelsea did with ake which is why they brought him back in January.
Which is weird because there really used to be a rule like that.
Post by: bigmanbob on February 08, 2017, 07:04:17 PM
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Post by: WeimaranerBlues on February 08, 2017, 11:16:30 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/02/08/blues-urged-to-support-inspirational-u23s
Half term as well Monday night sorted
Post by: brap2 on February 09, 2017, 03:54:50 AM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/02/08/blues-urged-to-support-inspirational-u23s
Do they serve bevvies at U23 games?
Post by: dazfrancis on February 26, 2017, 10:39:05 PM
Post by: Lxxx on February 26, 2017, 11:05:44 PM
Don;t know if he's still U23 but Conor McAleny scored a hattrick for Oxford United yesterday
He's in the U33's these days.
Post by: Toddacelli on February 27, 2017, 12:32:14 AM
He's in the U33's these days.
With Yakubu
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Post by: Audrey Horne on March 04, 2017, 12:35:47 AM
Big game against City tonight in the league. Think it's streamed live on the club's FB page, if anyone wants to watch.
Nice one, will give it a watch.
Some Everton away trip gang are all going to Derby away to see them potentially clinch the title. Great fans.
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Hopefully the lads wont take it too hard and come back strong.
Post by: Lxxx on March 04, 2017, 04:41:12 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 04, 2017, 05:43:31 AM
Gap now 3 pts?
Yeah an we have Chelsea and the shite to play hahah hope we don't bottle it!!
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 04, 2017, 05:51:24 AM
Post by: Goaljira on March 04, 2017, 01:08:08 PM
At least it sounds like Besic and Calvert Lewin are fit enough to start playing in the U23s now, should help going in to their last 3 games.Depends how much the club want to win the league but Holgate, Davies and Lookman could be drafted in for the last couple of games surely?
Post by: Danny on March 04, 2017, 02:21:25 PM
Depends how much the club want to win the league but Holgate, Davies and Lookman could be drafted in for the last couple of games surely?
Absolutely no point in that, if they weren't getting a game for the First team then sure but it's not like they're just sitting on the bench and not coming on.
Post by: TheRam on March 04, 2017, 02:33:14 PM
Yeah an we have Chelsea and the shite to play hahah hope we don't bottle it!!
We have the shite last game don't we?
Post by: Bally on March 04, 2017, 02:50:18 PM
We have the shite last game don't we?Yup fans forum trying to get it moved to goodison
Post by: farnhamtoffee on March 04, 2017, 03:26:39 PM
Post by: bigmanbob on March 06, 2017, 02:53:00 AM
Absolutely no point in that, if they weren't getting a game for the First team then sure but it's not like they're just sitting on the bench and not coming on.Holgates not had much game time of late, it won't do him any harm
Post by: blue1948 on March 08, 2017, 10:04:44 PM
Absolutely no point in that, if they weren't getting a game for the First team then sure but it's not like they're just sitting on the bench and not coming on.
You don't seem to understand ! NSNO
Post by: Major Clanger on March 08, 2017, 11:24:18 PM
You don't seem to understand ! NSNO
It's the rezzies, mate. The aim is purely to make players ready for the first team. If you already are in the first team squad every week, there's nothing to be gained by playing there.
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2017, 12:06:25 AM
It's the rezzies, mate. The aim is purely to make players ready for the first team. If you already are in the first team squad every week, there's nothing to be gained by playing there.
There's nothing to be gained from sitting on the bench week in week out at this stage of the season either. It won't do any of the lads mentioned any harm at all to have a proper 90 minute runout.
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 09, 2017, 12:09:08 AM
There's nothing to be gained from sitting on the bench week in week out at this stage of the season either. It won't do any of the lads mentioned any harm at all to have a proper 90 minute runout.Tom Davies is playing every week. Lookman is either starting or coming on (in general) Holgate maybe could do with a game
Post by: Major Clanger on March 09, 2017, 12:09:13 AM
There's nothing to be gained from sitting on the bench week in week out at this stage of the season either. It won't do any of the lads mentioned any harm at all to have a proper 90 minute runout.
Lookman and Davies play regularly.
Post by: blue1948 on March 09, 2017, 02:22:47 AM
It's the rezzies, mate. The aim is purely to make players ready for the first team. If you already are in the first team squad every week, there's nothing to be gained by playing there.
Sorry I cannot see your point ,if the u23's win the league then it will instill a winning mentality that can't be bought and would far outweigh any -well let's be honest here ( no chance ) of going higher in the prem
,plus it wouldn't hurt any of the players chances of "regaining " their places.
Post by: Major Clanger on March 09, 2017, 02:29:26 AM
,plus it wouldn't hurt any of the players chances of "regaining " their places.
"Regaining"? What the hell are we talking about? Lookman and Davies are first team regulars, there's been the one game where Lookman didn't even come off the bench, but other than that, they're playing in every game.
Would it help them develop a winning mentality by winning a kids competition nobody cares about? Or would it help the kids that the "big boys" come down and win the league for them? How?
And what sort of message would that send out anyway? "You're nice lads but we don't trust you to win the league on your own, so we've brought in some help for you."
Let them bounce back after a poor performance and win it under their own steam. They're more than capable of it.
That, and only that would be of any use to them as professionals.
Post by: blue1948 on March 09, 2017, 10:23:07 AM
"Regaining"? What the hell are we talking about? Lookman and Davies are first team regulars, there's been the one game where Lookman didn't even come off the bench, but other than that, they're playing in every game.
Would it help them develop a winning mentality by winning a kids competition nobody cares about? Or would it help the kids that the "big boys" come down and win the league for them? How?
And what sort of message would that send out anyway? "You're nice lads but we don't trust you to win the league on your own, so we've brought in some help for you."
Let them bounce back after a poor performance and win it under their own steam. They're more than capable of it.
That, and only that would be of any use to them as professionals.
Well I see the point you are making ,let me clarify it for my sake . First you think that it is a competition that no one cares about ! ask the lads and Unsy .Second you think that them playing against kids would be a "drop down" for Lookman and Davies ! That is what they are and they most probably will not hold down a regular place yet anyway .Thirdly you also think that them playing two games is going to change the achievement for the u23's ! They must be already pissed because they had Niasse scoring a few goals and Davies played a lot of games for them already .Thought about this whilst writing and it seems you don't understand
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2017, 02:49:03 PM
Lookman and Davies play regularly.
Holgate was the only one mentioned wasn't he. That's who I was referring to, he could do with a runout.
Post by: Major Clanger on March 09, 2017, 03:19:13 PM
Holgate was the only one mentioned wasn't he. That's who I was referring to, he could do with a runout.
Yes, he definitely could.
Post by: TheRam on March 09, 2017, 05:08:44 PM
Post by: hill135 on March 09, 2017, 05:18:39 PM
Holgate is very poor centre half.
Mate he's 20 years old!
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2017, 05:20:14 PM
Post by: TheRam on March 09, 2017, 06:34:17 PM
Mate he's 20 years old!
I know that.
His age is irrelevant to the discussion though.
He's been as poor as, if not worse, than mori and Williams.
Post by: blue1948 on March 09, 2017, 08:16:30 PM
I know that.
His age is irrelevant to the discussion though.
He's been as poor as, if not worse, than mori and Williams.
I think you are just winding us up .How can age be irrelevant ? even you were a kid once .I would play him more than Ronald as I think he has a lot to offer and more when he gets experience and I am sure he will get more time soon
Post by: TheRam on March 09, 2017, 09:24:40 PM
I think you are just winding us up .How can age be irrelevant ? even you were a kid once .I would play him more than Ronald as I think he has a lot to offer and more when he gets experience and I am sure he will get more time soon
Because we are talking about him coming into the team now.
In my opinion he has been as poor as Williams and Mori this season when played centre half. He clearly isn't ready to be playing there regularly.
Post by: Major Clanger on March 09, 2017, 10:45:27 PM
Because we are talking about him coming into the team now.
Are we?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 10, 2017, 12:22:07 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on March 10, 2017, 01:39:19 AM
Are Mori and Williams very poor centre halves? 5 clean sheets in 8. Wales and Argentina internationals. We've got a very good defensive record this season. Quite the miracle given how terrible our defenders and keeper are
Heitinga played in a World Cup final.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 10, 2017, 02:06:41 AM
everyone was raving about him ...........
we have one really bad game against Spurs when everyone was awful apart from Ross and this place goes into meltdown
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 10, 2017, 02:20:58 AM
Somewhere in between, which would be expected in his first Pl season
Post by: blue slug on March 10, 2017, 02:27:51 AM
Post by: Ross on March 10, 2017, 02:59:26 AM
Holgate has been as good as your going to get from a defefender of his age. I really rate him but he's going to have poor games
I've not seen that many e's since the 051 was closed down..
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 10, 2017, 04:17:15 AM
Heitinga played in a World Cup final.
No these players have been part of our very successful defence this season. You'd think they'd spent the season conceding goals and shitting in everyone's kettles the way people on here talk about them. I'm not talking about a 6 game competition where you only play 3 sides of similar quality
Joel, Williams and Mori have all been part of our success this season. That doesn't mean we shouldn't sign better/competition but it probably does mean claims that they are shit are wide of the mark and comments like "I hate him" a little odd
Post by: Major Clanger on March 10, 2017, 04:23:42 AM
No these players have been part of our very successful defence this season. You'd think they'd spent the season conceding goals and shitting in everyone's kettles the way people on here talk about them. I'm not talking about a 6 game competition where you only play 3 sides of similar quality
Joel, Williams and Mori have all been part of our success this season. That doesn't mean we shouldn't sign better/competition but it probably does mean claims that they are shit are wide of the mark and comments like "I hate him" a little odd
Well, saying that you hate a player who tries his best is a little odd, whether they're any good or not.
And I certainly don't sign up to the whole good-shit spectrum stuff at all. You can't reduce a player's ability to just one number representing his quality.
The way I see it (and I'm probably wrong) is that Williams and Mori are quite dependable up to a point. But if you put pressure on them beyond that point, they crumble. Like Mori against Spurs, we know his passing ability is virtually non-existent, which is normally not a massive deal, except when the opposition targets it.
So it is quite possible that we'd be better off overall with defenders who aren't even as dependable against (for want of a better word) "lesser" teams but their performance degrades less dramatically against tough opposition.
Post by: Ross on March 10, 2017, 04:38:13 AM
Well, saying that you hate a player who tries his best is a little odd, whether they're any good or not.
And I certainly don't sign up to the whole good-shit spectrum stuff at all. You can't reduce a player's ability to just one number representing his quality.
The way I see it (and I'm probably wrong) is that Williams and Mori are quite dependable up to a point. But if you put pressure on them beyond that point, they crumble. Like Mori against Spurs, we know his passing ability is virtually non-existent, which is normally not a massive deal, except when the opposition targets it.
So it is quite possible that we'd be better off overall with defenders who aren't even as dependable against (for want of a better word) "lesser" teams but their performance degrades less dramatically against tough opposition.
Have you seen Mori passing stats for the Spurs game?
Post by: Major Clanger on March 10, 2017, 04:45:47 AM
Have you seen Mori passing stats for the Spurs game?
No, please enlighten me.
But what I saw was clear: Spurs kept forcing him to try one of his hopeful balls into nowhere by closing down all his easy options.
Post by: Ross on March 10, 2017, 04:54:41 AM
No, please enlighten me.
But what I saw was clear: Spurs kept forcing him to try one of his hopeful balls into nowhere by closing down all his easy options.
Theyre out there for everyone to see I'm sure you're more than familiar with google.
Do you think we targeted Alderweireld or Vertonghen?
Post by: Jamokachi on March 10, 2017, 05:09:56 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on March 10, 2017, 05:10:58 AM
Theyre out there for everyone to see I'm sure you're more than familiar with google.
Do you think we targeted Alderweireld or Vertonghen?
No, because we didn't.
Post by: Major Clanger on March 10, 2017, 05:21:31 AM
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/121221/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Noticed the conspicuous absence of blue arrows pointing in the opposition half and the large number of reds in comparison?
Now, let's take a look at Vertonghen.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/39194/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Hmm, that does look quite different. But maybe it's just a general reflection of how poor we were. Surely, Williams's forward passing must have been similarly wayward.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/19159/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Ermm, nope. But note how Williams didn't even try to put the ball over the halfway line.
Post by: Ross on March 10, 2017, 05:40:04 AM
Okay, @Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316), this is just for you.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/121221/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Noticed the conspicuous absence of blue arrows pointing in the opposition half and the large number of reds in comparison?
Now, let's take a look at Vertonghen.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/39194/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Hmm, that does look quite different. But maybe it's just a general reflection of how poor we were. Surely, Williams's forward passing must have been similarly wayward.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/19159/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Ermm, nope. But note how Williams didn't even try to put the ball over the halfway line.
Hmmm missed Alderweireld off deliberately or couldn't you find him? Forget the fact Williams only passed the ball about 30 times compared to Mori playing it 60ish? Did you bother seeing the pass completing stats between Vertonghen and Mori?
Good to know you're googles back up though!
Post by: Major Clanger on March 10, 2017, 05:59:28 AM
Hmmm missed Alderweireld off deliberately or couldn't you find him?
Alderweireld failed with quite a few of his forward passes, but we put absolutely no pressure on him. And he still succeeded with more.
Forget the fact Williams only passed the ball about 30 times compared to Mori playing it 60ish?
Exactamundo, my dear @Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316). It is precisely what I'm talking about. They were happy for Mori to have the ball and give it to them. Thank you for confirming it. :)
Did you bother seeing the pass completing stats between Vertonghen and Mori?
No, because they are meaningless for central defenders, seeing as they mostly pass between each other. As everybody who knows anything about football knows.
It's always better to believe your eyes rather than relying on the narrow sliver of information these boiled down stats give you.
Post by: Goaljira on March 10, 2017, 12:10:44 PM
Post by: Rhys on March 10, 2017, 02:38:56 PM
Hmmm missed Alderweireld off deliberately or couldn't you find him? Forget the fact Williams only passed the ball about 30 times compared to Mori playing it 60ish? Did you bother seeing the pass completing stats between Vertonghen and Mori?
Good to know you're googles back up though!
You can't use how many passes someone has over the other centre half when Spurs clearly left mori open to force us to him and closed down options to get it to other people. Centre half passing % should be very high as most of the time it's to their centre half partner, keeper or midfielder a few yards away.
i haven't reviewed the stats but I don't need to remember the number of times mori put it straight out, easier passes didn't go near men. One of his problems is he seems to have grand ideas he is a footballing centre half so instead of when he is stuck with no pass on and under pressure just playing the percentage ball of say putting it in the channel he tries something he shouldn't.
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 14, 2017, 12:32:53 AM
Post by: brap2 on March 14, 2017, 12:59:04 AM
You can't use how many passes someone has over the other centre half when Spurs clearly left mori open to force us to him and closed down options to get it to other people. Centre half passing % should be very high as most of the time it's to their centre half partner, keeper or midfielder a few yards away.
i haven't reviewed the stats but I don't need to remember the number of times mori put it straight out, easier passes didn't go near men. One of his problems is he seems to have grand ideas he is a footballing centre half so instead of when he is stuck with no pass on and under pressure just playing the percentage ball of say putting it in the channel he tries something he shouldn't.
Must be getting told to play it, can't see Koeman not just seeing his arse after the second or third one.
jags Williams and him are all guilty of the feckless punt, Williams even cleared a ball directly into the middle of the pitch at the weekend.
Fell straight to their 10, luckily enough it was some clogger and not hazard or god forbid coutinho.
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 14, 2017, 01:17:44 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 14, 2017, 01:22:53 AM
City winning 1-0 @ Arsenal
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Post by: TheRam on March 14, 2017, 02:56:34 AM
What a job unsworth is doing
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Post by: Jimmywhack on March 14, 2017, 05:53:29 PM
https://twitter.com/WM_TotalFutbol/status/841474365699039232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Post by: Rhys on March 14, 2017, 06:24:52 PM
Now thats how to take a pen
https://twitter.com/WM_TotalFutbol/status/841474365699039232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Agreed. The Sambou one the other week will get more discussion because of what it looks like but thats a proper penalty. Power and accuracy like that can't be saved.
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 14, 2017, 06:25:15 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 14, 2017, 06:25:59 PM
Agreed. The Sambou one the other week will get more discussion because of what it looks like but thats a proper penalty. Power and accuracy like that can't be saved.Kepper went the right way and was absolutely nowhere near it!!!
Post by: TheRam on March 14, 2017, 06:32:02 PM
Stubbs got the hibs job doing a much worse job.
Obviously I'd like him to stay and continue his good work but it'll be interesting to see how he gets on.
Post by: GLewis on March 14, 2017, 06:42:28 PM
I can see unsworth getting a managers job in the near future.
Stubbs got the hibs job doing a much worse job.
Obviously I'd like him to stay and continue his good work but it'll be interesting to see how he gets on.
I've wondered for a while why there isn't a loan system for coaches like there is for players.
We could send unsy somewhere for 2 years for example.
It'd be cheap for the hiring club as they wouldn't have to pay full manager wages, there wouldn't be potential compensation packages etc. should things not be working out and they'd have access to up and coming coaches from the top clubs.
The coaches would have to take a potential hit on what they might be earning if they were working independently (outside of the loan system) but they might be offered more opportunities if the financial risk is lower and therefore gain more exposure.
Meanwhile we would get to see these coaches in the real world.
I think part of the reason may be that there's still a need in England to think that your manager might be there for 5-10 years and therefore a short term loan isn't ideal. But I think everything is moving away from this so maybe it will happen?
Post by: TheRam on March 14, 2017, 06:47:15 PM
I've wondered for a while why there isn't a loan system for coaches like there is for players.
We could send unsy somewhere for 2 years for example.
It'd be cheap for the hiring club as they wouldn't have to pay full manager wages, there wouldn't be potential compensation packages etc. should things not be working out and they'd have access to up and coming coaches from the top clubs.
The coaches would have to take a potential hit on what they might be earning if they were working independently (outside of the loan system) but they might be offered more opportunities if the financial risk is lower and therefore gain more exposure.
Meanwhile we would get to see these coaches in the real world.
I think part of the reason may be that there's still a need in England to think that your manager might be there for 5-10 years and therefore a short term loan isn't ideal. But I think everything is moving away from this so maybe it will happen?
This is a brilliant idea.
Phone the FA immediately.
Post by: Confucius on March 14, 2017, 06:50:58 PM
I've wondered for a while why there isn't a loan system for coaches like there is for players.
We could send unsy somewhere for 2 years for example.
It'd be cheap for the hiring club as they wouldn't have to pay full manager wages, there wouldn't be potential compensation packages etc. should things not be working out and they'd have access to up and coming coaches from the top clubs.
The coaches would have to take a potential hit on what they might be earning if they were working independently (outside of the loan system) but they might be offered more opportunities if the financial risk is lower and therefore gain more exposure.
Meanwhile we would get to see these coaches in the real world.
I think part of the reason may be that there's still a need in England to think that your manager might be there for 5-10 years and therefore a short term loan isn't ideal. But I think everything is moving away from this so maybe it will happen?
I think conflict of interest is probably the biggest one. A player going out on loan can't really change much. A manager has quite a bit of influence.
Post by: kramer0 on March 14, 2017, 07:54:35 PM
Now thats how to take a pen
https://twitter.com/WM_TotalFutbol/status/841474365699039232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Pretty much everything we do in those highlights runs through Dowell. Can't wait to see him play with the first team again.
Post by: GLewis on March 14, 2017, 07:56:27 PM
I think conflict of interest is probably the biggest one. A player going out on loan can't really change much. A manager has quite a bit of influence.Yes maybe.
You could limit it to clubs outside of your division although there'd still be potential cup matches to consider.
I'd be surprised if that was the reason it doesn't happen though.
Post by: GLewis on March 14, 2017, 07:58:39 PM
Pretty much everything we do in those highlights runs through Dowell. Can't wait to see him play with the first team again.
Dowell is definitely someone worth keeping on until he's 22/23 even if it's not obvious that he's going to make it.
Much like Ossie, that type of player who isn't that fast needs time and matches to appreciate what they need to do to get round this.
Hopefully we can find him a club on loan who will play him all the time to get him some of that experience.
Post by: TheRam on March 14, 2017, 08:23:26 PM
Pretty much everything we do in those highlights runs through Dowell. Can't wait to see him play with the first team again.
He looked a class above when I watched the under 23s the other week.
His touch, passing, and vision was on another level.
But, his lack of physicality will let him down at premier league level.
Needs a loan out next year in the championship.
Technically though it's all there.
Post by: Outworlder47 on March 14, 2017, 10:15:49 PM
Post by: Lxxx on March 14, 2017, 10:53:41 PM
He looked a class above when I watched the under 23s the other week.
His touch, passing, and vision was on another level.
But, his lack of physicality will let him down at premier league level.
Needs a loan out next year in the championship.
Technically though it's all there.
Unsy said he's grown in height and weight this year so maybe he's a late developer. He's just got that languid style that some people just don't take to, similar to Mesut Ozil.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 15, 2017, 01:53:22 PM
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on March 15, 2017, 10:04:44 PM
He looked a class above when I watched the under 23s the other week.
His touch, passing, and vision was on another level.
But, his lack of physicality will let him down at premier league level.
Needs a loan out next year in the championship.
Technically though it's all there.
He reminds me of a fitter and far less lazy Matt Le Tissier.
Post by: Toddacelli on March 16, 2017, 12:21:48 AM
He reminds me of a fitter and far less lazy Matt Le Tissier.
That sounds amazing!
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 16, 2017, 12:27:52 AM
That sounds amazing!
Sounds like 1 of the best players in the world. Think given he's playing for our under 23s it might be a little OTT.
Post by: ally2 on March 16, 2017, 01:01:12 AM
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on March 16, 2017, 02:47:34 AM
That's it. He's the next Matt Le Tissier. No pressure lad
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Maybe I should have elaborated, but I never released I could have such a compelling effect on the lad.
How he plays and some of the goals he has scored reminds of Le Tiss but with more of a swagger, albeit at a completely different level. So I enjoy watching him play partly because he reminds me of another player I enjoyed watching in the past (who was a lazy bastard). So much so that I did indeed decide to watch some of the old Le Tissier goals from back in the day.
In addition, I also think he has the look of a young Lee Mavers about him, and although I'm not expecting him to write the next 'looking glass', I did put on The LA's album last week.
Post by: ally2 on March 16, 2017, 03:06:06 AM
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Maybe I should have elaborated, but I never released I could have such a compelling effect on the lad.
How he plays and some of the goals he has scored reminds of Le Tiss but with more of a swagger, albeit at a completely different level. So I enjoy watching him play partly because he reminds me of another player I enjoyed watching in the past (who was a lazy bastard). So much so that I did indeed decide to watch some of the old Le Tissier goals from back in the day.
In addition, I also think he has the look of a young Lee Mavers about him, and although I'm not expecting him to write the next 'looking glass', I did put on The LA's album last week.
Yeah it's OK I knew what you meant. My favourite type of player so let's hope we see some nice stuff from him at whatever level he gets to.
Post by: Major Clanger on March 16, 2017, 03:15:09 AM
Post by: brap2 on March 16, 2017, 04:36:50 AM
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on March 16, 2017, 03:53:10 PM
Yeah it's OK I knew what you meant. My favourite type of player so let's hope we see some nice stuff from him at whatever level he gets to.
Here, here
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 05:58:54 PM
Johnson, 15, is the son of former Forest and Ipswich striker David and Everton have seen a number of bids rejected by the Championship club.
Everton want to sign the England under-16 international this season but have been told to pay around £1million, with director of football Steve Walsh now expected to enter negotiations. The deal could go to a tribunal if Everton fail to agree a fee.
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 07:43:02 PM
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 07:53:26 PM
Million quid for a 15 year old, fucking hell
Didn't Arsenal pay more than that for Jermaine Pennant about 15 years ago?
We're just behind the curve!
Post by: Ross on March 23, 2017, 07:55:41 PM
Didn't Arsenal pay more than that for Jermaine Pennant about 15 years ago?
We're just behind the curve!
Wasn't it about £5m they paid?
Post by: Robioto on March 23, 2017, 08:10:30 PM
Wasn't it about £5m they paid?
I think it was just over £2m.
Post by: hill135 on March 23, 2017, 08:44:55 PM
Post by: Rhys on March 23, 2017, 08:49:18 PM
Didn't we pay more for George Green?
300k up front. The deal was rising to 2m based on future incentives, so unless it was number of Bacardi breezers strawpedo'd I dont think it will have gone above 300k.
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 08:51:23 PM
Wasn't it about £5m they paid?
That was them buying Sterling from QPR. Or Ibe from Wycombe.
Maybe both?
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Post by: Robioto on March 24, 2017, 12:08:18 AM
anywhere to watch the England game? Dowel, Lookman and Kenny all starting...
BT Sport 2. 19:00 k/o
Bit of a bonus for me, I'm working late tonight, I'll stick it on in the background.
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 24, 2017, 12:10:11 AM
BT Sport 2. 19:00 k/o
Bit of a bonus for me, I'm working late tonight, I'll stick it on in the background.
eh? its already finished haha was 2-2
Post by: Robioto on March 24, 2017, 12:11:27 AM
eh? its already finished haha was 2-2
Ha, shit, haven't got a clue what I was reading then!
Post by: ajax_andy on March 24, 2017, 12:43:31 AM
Million quid for a 15 year old, fucking hell
We paid that for Scott Spencer
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 24, 2017, 12:44:47 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on March 24, 2017, 01:20:05 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on March 24, 2017, 06:50:51 PM
It's not much in football terms, but ignore that for a moment and just think about it: you pay £1m so that a 15 year old kid can come and kick a ball around with you rather than someone else.
We don't wanna go down that road... there's no stadiums built if we go down that road...
Post by: TheRam on March 24, 2017, 08:26:37 PM
eh? its already finished haha was 2-2
What level was this?
Davies is still playing for the under 19s which i find really strange
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 24, 2017, 08:27:06 PM
What level was this?Under 20's
Davies is still playing for the under 19s which i find really strange
Think there was 5 current Everton players in the squad alongside Ryan Ledson
Not a bad effort
Post by: GLewis on March 24, 2017, 08:42:18 PM
What level was this?
Davies is still playing for the under 19s which i find really strange
Assume it's the Chalobah that's playing for Chelsea in there too.
It's very hard to track player potential at national level for those age groups.
Although I think these are important games for the u19s so they may have requested those two for example.
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 24, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
Assume it's the Chalobah that's playing for Chelsea in there too.Isn't he about 22 now?
It's very hard to track player potential at national level for those age groups.
Although I think these are important games for the u19s so they may have requested those two for example.
Edit, nathaniel is 22 his brother trevoh, yes trevoh is 17
Post by: Rhys on March 24, 2017, 09:11:33 PM
So they may think it is more beneficial for players to stick together and get the experiences of playing every age group rather than keep shifting people up and down.
Post by: TheRam on March 24, 2017, 09:12:24 PM
Assume it's the Chalobah that's playing for Chelsea in there too.
It's very hard to track player potential at national level for those age groups.
Although I think these are important games for the u19s so they may have requested those two for example.
He does have a brother called Trevor who I think is younger, may be him?
True. You expect Davies to be playing for the 21s soon enough though
Post by: Goaljira on March 24, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
Isn't he about 22 now?
Edit, nathaniel is 22 his brother trevoh, yes trevoh is 17
Trevoh? That sounds like the caveman pronunciation of Trevor.
Post by: Goaljira on March 24, 2017, 09:21:48 PM
He does have a brother called Trevor who I think is younger, may be him?
True. You expect Davies to be playing for the 21s soon enough though
If he carries on for the next 15 months as he has the last 4 then I'd expect him to go to the WC!
Post by: TheRam on March 24, 2017, 09:23:11 PM
If he carries on for the next 15 months as he has the last 4 then I'd expect him to go to the WC!
Way too soon
Post by: Goaljira on March 24, 2017, 09:24:05 PM
Way too soon
Yeah, but that doesn't normally stop England taking players.
Post by: Shogun on March 26, 2017, 02:18:55 PM
What level was this?
Davies is still playing for the under 19s which i find really strange
I think he's the captain which may have contributed towards the decision.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 09, 2017, 12:24:44 AM
we play Monday
Against Spurs
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 11, 2017, 12:14:36 AM
Is Galloway back at Everton now?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 11, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Post by: kramer0 on April 11, 2017, 12:28:26 AM
No complaints about Calvert-Lewin or Lookman. They need games so it's fair to slot them in when they aren't involved with the first team.
Also... Galloway is back?
Edit: And yes, it's dumb for me to pick holes in a U23 team, especially given that Unsworth clearly knows what he's doing. I'm aware of this.
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on April 11, 2017, 12:34:19 AM
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Post by: Major Clanger on April 11, 2017, 12:51:37 AM
Is there anywhere we can watch this (other than at Goodison ofc) or do we have to wait for limited highlights tomorrow ?
I think it's on Facebook.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on April 11, 2017, 12:52:40 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 11, 2017, 12:55:05 AM
Is there anywhere we can watch this (other than at Goodison ofc) or do we have to wait for limited highlights tomorrow ?Live on fb so maybe other sites have it too
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 11, 2017, 01:06:18 AM
Is there anywhere we can watch this (other than at Goodison ofc) or do we have to wait for limited highlights tomorrow ?
It's on Facebook through the everton page
Post by: Trowel on April 11, 2017, 01:16:32 AM
Post by: TheRam on April 11, 2017, 01:22:46 AM
That's some team for the under 23s.
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 11, 2017, 01:32:05 AM
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Post by: Trowel on April 11, 2017, 02:02:06 AM
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Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 11, 2017, 02:30:42 AM
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on April 11, 2017, 02:35:07 AM
Boss 3rd goal as well.
Post by: Major Clanger on April 11, 2017, 02:36:01 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 11, 2017, 02:36:22 AM
I don't know if this deserves its own thread, but whats the story on Galloway?Can play for our u23s apparently despite being on Loan
Boss 3rd goal as well.
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on April 11, 2017, 02:41:42 AM
Can play for our u23s apparently despite being on Loan
Crazy that
Post by: Robioto on April 11, 2017, 02:50:11 AM
Can play for our u23s apparently despite being on Loan
Never knew that...
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 11, 2017, 02:57:24 AM
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Post by: Jimmywhack on April 11, 2017, 02:59:38 AM
Final Score 4-1 1pt needed to be champsWho got the fourth
Post by: dazfrancis on April 11, 2017, 03:04:53 AM
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Post by: brap2 on April 11, 2017, 04:04:10 AM
Post by: brap2 on April 11, 2017, 04:19:45 AM
Sambou's goal is a corker, really tight turn to send the cb.
Dowell's was a very Dowell goal. Got to wonder how far off the first team he is. Maybe we can secure 6th in the next few games and give him a run out 🙂
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 11, 2017, 04:31:40 AM
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2017, 04:34:05 AM
I don't know if this deserves its own thread, but whats the story on Galloway?
Boss 3rd goal as well.
Pulis has officially released him from his loan move.
Post by: TheRam on April 11, 2017, 04:51:23 PM
Didn't know ugo ehiogu was their manager, that's a bit random
Love this
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 14, 2017, 10:55:34 PM
Didn't know ugo ehiogu was their manager, that's a bit random
Love this
Really rated him back in the day.
I'm rooting for him to become a top coach/manager now that I know this.
Post by: irishtoffee on April 16, 2017, 04:41:58 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 16, 2017, 04:55:58 AM
We need a win
Post by: BlueForYou on April 16, 2017, 05:51:29 PM
Ready made replacement for Valencia next season
Post by: mikey_blue on April 21, 2017, 07:32:55 PM
Really rated him back in the day.
I'm rooting for him to become a top coach/manager now that I know this.
News that he passed away yesterday. Heart attack. Only 44.
Post by: TheRam on April 21, 2017, 08:27:52 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 21, 2017, 10:44:37 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 21, 2017, 11:43:18 PM
Post by: School of Science on April 22, 2017, 12:08:19 AM
live on CTv
What time ?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 22, 2017, 12:13:33 AM
Post by: blue1948 on April 22, 2017, 12:28:38 AM
what is CTv ?
I think it might be Chelsea TV
Post by: Confucius on April 22, 2017, 12:28:57 AM
what is CTv ?
Chinese TV. Everything is on there.
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 22, 2017, 12:38:01 AM
Post by: blue1948 on April 22, 2017, 12:43:25 AM
http://www.stream2watch.cc/live-television/united-kingdom/chelsea-tv-live-stream
No guarantees
Post by: MexicanToffee on April 22, 2017, 12:57:26 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on April 22, 2017, 01:07:07 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 22, 2017, 01:08:58 AM
Official stream is fucked.
this works well http://www.stream2watch.cc/live-television/united-kingdom/chelsea-tv-live-stream
Post by: MexicanToffee on April 22, 2017, 01:14:27 AM
Official stream is fucked.Working fine for me.
Post by: ally2 on April 22, 2017, 01:19:08 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on April 22, 2017, 01:19:10 AM
Working fine for me.
It has recovered.
We've started well.
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 22, 2017, 01:21:15 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 22, 2017, 01:26:00 AM
Post by: ally2 on April 22, 2017, 01:30:11 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 22, 2017, 01:33:04 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on April 22, 2017, 01:33:10 AM
1-1
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 22, 2017, 01:44:54 AM
Post by: ally2 on April 22, 2017, 01:45:35 AM
Post by: Ross on April 22, 2017, 01:56:16 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 22, 2017, 02:15:31 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 22, 2017, 02:15:36 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 22, 2017, 02:22:47 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 22, 2017, 02:23:02 AM
Post by: Goaljira on April 22, 2017, 02:31:14 AM
ughhh
I think its spelt Ugbo?
Post by: blargins on April 22, 2017, 02:50:43 AM
Post by: ally2 on April 22, 2017, 02:52:54 AM
Post by: MexicanToffee on April 22, 2017, 02:53:41 AM
What do they need to do to win the title?To be certain win but a point might be enough
Post by: blargins on April 22, 2017, 02:54:33 AM
Post by: Trowel on April 22, 2017, 02:54:52 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 22, 2017, 02:57:17 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 22, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
Post by: ally2 on April 22, 2017, 02:58:43 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 22, 2017, 02:59:50 AM
need 1pt more mathematically v RS,
City play the shite on Monday and need to win
Post by: MexicanToffee on April 22, 2017, 03:00:38 AM
gotta play the shite last game....
Things dreams are made of... winning the championship by beating the shite on the last game of the season.
Post by: Major Clanger on April 22, 2017, 03:26:31 AM
Things dreams are made of... winning the championship by beating the shite on the last game of the season.
Or potentially even by losing by a small margin.
Post by: Bluebridge on April 22, 2017, 03:27:33 AM
This time next year........................
Things dreams are made of... winning the championship by beating the shite on the last game of the season.
Post by: TheRam on April 22, 2017, 05:49:49 AM
Post by: bluestevie on April 22, 2017, 06:04:24 AM
What date is the game against the shite?
The 8th, 4 days before the last senior home game v Watford
Post by: MexicanToffee on April 22, 2017, 08:05:39 AM
The 8th, 4 days before the last senior home game v WatfordWould be nice if they got a decent turn out. I know the mini derbies always used to be fairly well attended but I don't know if that is still the case.
Post by: TheRam on April 22, 2017, 02:29:52 PM
The 8th, 4 days before the last senior home game v Watford
Gotta be played at Goodison surely?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 22, 2017, 03:33:51 PM
Next up for first team squad?
Sambou, Walsh and Baningime?
Koeman's Kids for Watford!
Renshaw for U23 GK?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 22, 2017, 03:40:53 PM
Post by: ally2 on April 22, 2017, 03:51:21 PM
Post by: sam of the south on April 22, 2017, 04:24:19 PM
Really rated him back in the day.
I'm rooting for him to become a top coach/manager now that I know this.
😪
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 22, 2017, 05:07:49 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on April 22, 2017, 05:38:28 PM
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on April 22, 2017, 05:40:22 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 22, 2017, 05:47:45 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/beni-baningime-backed-become-evertons-12929011
He was brilliant last night as was Kenny. Future is bright and blue!
Post by: TheRam on April 22, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
Basically said at Southampton he didn't play the youngsters because they weren't good enough but at Everton they are.
Thought they had the best academy in the world though?
Post by: Cassius on April 22, 2017, 06:41:15 PM
So impressed with U23s, I reckon there has to be 5 or 6 at least who will make it in the top 2 divisions for sure, lets hope they turn out to be of the elite and in our first team. Loved Mo Besic's game as well, great to see him back (but I could be biased). With Coleman's injury, surely Kenny has to be given an opportunity sooner rather than later, right?
Besic was dogshit yesterday, but clearly massively unfit.
Fullbacks looked great though.
Post by: BlueForYou on April 22, 2017, 07:35:43 PM
1) Robles
2) Kenny
3) Baines
4) Schneiderlin
5) Williams
6) Baningime
7) Davies
8) Gueye
9) Lukaku
10)Barkley
11)Sambou
Subs: Stek, Holgate, Jagielka, Barry, Walsh, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin,
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on April 22, 2017, 07:39:03 PM
Besic was dogshit yesterday, but clearly massively unfit.
Fullbacks looked great though.
I thought he got better as the game went on and did pretty good as a centre back. Nice to see, but yeah a few dodgy moments, put to injury ;-)
Post by: pjk on April 23, 2017, 07:42:58 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/23/under23s-final-game-at-goodison :thumbsup:
Post by: blue1948 on April 23, 2017, 09:04:04 PM
Post by: ally2 on April 23, 2017, 09:14:32 PM
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2017, 09:33:55 PM
Walshy's everywhere
He's actually got a twin brother who we also employ, to let everyone think we have eyes everywhere.
Post by: TheRam on April 23, 2017, 09:35:44 PM
He's actually got a twin brother who we also employ, to let everyone think we have eyes everywhere.
Fun fact
His brother actually used to play for us in the 70s
Post by: Silas on April 23, 2017, 10:41:51 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 23, 2017, 10:43:35 PM
Free entry for the Liverpool game people
Yeah im guna go.
Post by: TheRam on April 23, 2017, 10:49:37 PM
Hopefully they realise that quite a few people will want to go and we won't be queuing outside for ages like last time.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 23, 2017, 11:11:43 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 24, 2017, 02:45:57 AM
Post by: MexicanToffee on April 25, 2017, 01:13:55 AM
Post by: Polledreng on April 25, 2017, 01:17:00 AM
Anyone know how Liverpool are getting on against Man City?No goals after 15 minutes all I know. Apparantly Liverpool have put out a strong team whatever that means
Post by: Polledreng on April 25, 2017, 01:23:43 AM
No goals after 15 minutes all I know. Apparantly Liverpool have put out a strong team whatever that meansCity 1-0 up..... well probably the best a strong Liverpool team can do.... City probably stronger than Crystal Palace aswell..
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 25, 2017, 01:24:02 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 25, 2017, 01:30:51 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 25, 2017, 01:33:32 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 25, 2017, 02:36:51 AM
Edit: fuckin 2-2 now
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 25, 2017, 02:40:15 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2017, 02:41:55 AM
Can you just turn up with your ST or do you have to pre book it or something?.............your ST includes admission to U23 games but Everton are bound to complicate matters by insisting you book a ticket. Why don't they just open the Main Stand ?
Post by: Major Clanger on April 25, 2017, 02:44:44 AM
.............your ST includes admission to U23 games but Everton are bound to complicate matters by insisting you book a ticket. Why don't they just open the Main Stand ?
I would assume there are fairly strict safety rules on crowd admission to a stadium like Goodison Park, and possibly one of them is that you can't just let people in without keeping track.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 25, 2017, 02:48:33 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 25, 2017, 02:51:02 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 25, 2017, 02:52:22 AM
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on April 25, 2017, 02:53:02 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 25, 2017, 02:53:06 AM
Stoppage time goal for the shite!
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 25, 2017, 02:53:36 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 25, 2017, 02:53:47 AM
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on April 25, 2017, 02:54:31 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2017, 02:55:02 AM
I would assume there are fairly strict safety rules on crowd admission to a stadium like Goodison Park, and possibly one of them is that you can't just let people in without keeping track..........................which is why I suggested just opening the MS which will be big enough and they can keep a check on admissions. We got 6,000 at the last U23 game and expect more this time. Oddly ,the club are making the Upper Bullens available first .
Post by: Polledreng on April 25, 2017, 02:55:28 AM
Gomez looks better than the centre halves the rs had yesterday.he could still be shite ;)
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on April 25, 2017, 02:55:38 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 25, 2017, 02:55:44 AM
Well done lads!!
Well done Unsworth
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 25, 2017, 02:56:25 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2017, 02:56:31 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 25, 2017, 02:56:36 AM
Post by: Gash on April 25, 2017, 03:00:04 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on April 25, 2017, 03:01:49 AM
Post by: Robioto on April 25, 2017, 03:24:09 AM
Or not...
This is another sign that all things Everton are good and heading in right direction. Well done Rhino!
Post by: D15TIN on April 25, 2017, 04:03:29 AM
great achievement that, hoping to see a few of those players next season, sure walsh, dowell, kenny & Sambou will be involved in europe etc
Post by: Macca77 on April 25, 2017, 05:00:53 AM
Post by: Everton Mint on April 25, 2017, 05:20:38 AM
Big congrats to Unsy ... he is one special coach and a true Blue.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 25, 2017, 05:48:15 AM
well done Boys
Post by: Jamokachi on April 25, 2017, 06:57:19 AM
Post by: blue1948 on April 25, 2017, 10:43:45 AM
Post by: Macca77 on April 25, 2017, 04:53:48 PM
Post by: Toddacelli on April 25, 2017, 05:33:37 PM
Recruitment - check
Finances - check
Youth Development - checkedy check bitches!
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 25, 2017, 05:42:01 PM
Stadium - check
Recruitment - check
Finances - check
Youth Development - checkedy check bitches!
Manager - check
20 goals a season striker - check
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 25, 2017, 08:16:48 PM
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2017, 08:20:36 PM
Free entry for last game, hopefully be a decent crowd.............from The Echo <<<<<<<<<
Blues U23s hope for huge crowd
verton are hoping to attract a crowd of 20,000 for the night they lift the Premier League 2 trophy.
The Blues’ under-23s were confirmed as champions last night as second-placed Manchester City lost 3-2 to Liverpool at Prenton Park.
Everton have an unassailable six point lead heading into their final game of the season at Goodison on May, 8 - against the Reds.
The club have announced that the game is free entry for all supporters and coach David Unsworth wants his side to finish the season with a flourish in front of a bumper attendance.
Unsy said:
We have a massive game at Goodison and I’m sure there are going to be around 20,000 there.
“So we need to finish off in style when we lift the trophy.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Post by: blue1948 on April 25, 2017, 08:40:13 PM
Post by: blargins on April 25, 2017, 09:34:29 PM
Manager - check
20 goals a season striker - check
Owner with a check book - check.
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2017, 09:35:40 PM
Owner with a check book - check.............does anyone use cheques any more ?
Post by: blargins on April 25, 2017, 09:36:15 PM
............does anyone use cheques any more ?
I do all the time.
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2017, 09:39:23 PM
I do all the time..............can't remember when I last wrote a cheque , everything now is cards or bank transfers. Even my last car I bought with debit card. Times change. Still like to carry cash though.
Post by: TheRam on April 25, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2017, 09:41:28 PM
Just get tickets through the site then?............think it's just box office and Everton One or Two
Post by: Bluedylan on April 25, 2017, 09:43:36 PM
Don't mean to put a downer on things, because I'm buzzing for the lads, but it did give me pause for thought.
Post by: MIG on April 25, 2017, 09:59:26 PM
Lets face it, it can't do any harm. Its better that these players are playing regularly and its nice that they're winning things together with the Everton mentality than spread out all over the country at different teams on loan. Could be building a future spine of our team.
Course, you'll never win anything with kids ;)
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2017, 09:59:48 PM
How much do we think this means/doesn't mean then? Was listening to a journo, Mike Calvin, on the Echo podcast the other day who has just written a book on youth football saying that the PL2 is basically a load of old shite, and largely ineffective in producing the level of football and players needed to break into Prem teams. He was saying that's why so many clubs loan their best prospects out...................there are 2 divisions of 12 teams each. Only 15 of the current PL have entered teams
Don't mean to put a downer on things, because I'm buzzing for the lads, but it did give me pause for thought.
Not surprisingly ,the top 7 in the PL2 is the same clubs as the PL with the strange exception of Sunderland instead of Man U. I think it's useful and it's the nearest thing there's been to an old fashioned reserve league like we used to have years ago.
https://www.premierleague.com/tables?team=U21
Post by: Major Clanger on April 25, 2017, 10:00:24 PM
How much do we think this means/doesn't mean then? Was listening to a journo, Mike Calvin, on the Echo podcast the other day who has just written a book on youth football saying that the PL2 is basically a load of old shite, and largely ineffective in producing the level of football and players needed to break into Prem teams. He was saying that's why so many clubs loan their best prospects out.
Don't mean to put a downer on things, because I'm buzzing for the lads, but it did give me pause for thought.
All the more reason to make it work for us.
Post by: TheRam on April 25, 2017, 10:03:55 PM
How much do we think this means/doesn't mean then? Was listening to a journo, Mike Calvin, on the Echo podcast the other day who has just written a book on youth football saying that the PL2 is basically a load of old shite, and largely ineffective in producing the level of football and players needed to break into Prem teams. He was saying that's why so many clubs loan their best prospects out.
Don't mean to put a downer on things, because I'm buzzing for the lads, but it did give me pause for thought.
You can never quite tell, can you?
However, we've already had three players in DCL, Davies and Holgate become permanent fixtures in the first team, Pennington coming in, as well as dowell, Kenny and Connolly playing last season, Galloway too.
All looking very adept at premier league level.
Granted, the challenge comes when you have a run of games and try to hold your place down but the signs are very promising.
Some of them will make it here, some will fall short but still have good careers in the premier league and they're varying different factors that will come into player. For example, I'd say dowell is the most technically gifted player we've had in the youth ranks since Barkley, but he strikes me as someone who's not quite good enough to make the step up. Then there's someone like Davies, who isn't as good on the ball bit just looks like a premier league player.
One things for sure, it's the most promising crop of youngsters in the country at the moment and it's great to be able to call upon such talents when needed.
Also, dare I say Roberto Martinez deserves a semblance of credit?
Post by: TheRam on April 25, 2017, 10:06:28 PM
It was played at a snails pace a few years back. Now it's a geared a lot more to mirror premier league football.
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 25, 2017, 10:06:58 PM
How much do we think this means/doesn't mean then? Was listening to a journo, Mike Calvin, on the Echo podcast the other day who has just written a book on youth football saying that the PL2 is basically a load of old shite, and largely ineffective in producing the level of football and players needed to break into Prem teams. He was saying that's why so many clubs loan their best prospects out.I imagine it will provide more oppurtunities for the younger lads to forge careers in football. Whether its with Everton or not
Don't mean to put a downer on things, because I'm buzzing for the lads, but it did give me pause for thought.
Post by: GLewis on April 25, 2017, 10:15:45 PM
It can't do any harm, winning of course, apart from maybe creating unrealistic expectations that we'll have 5 or 6 players in the first team / squad soon.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 25, 2017, 10:26:07 PM
............think it's just box office and Everton One or Twot
Yep popped down to the box office, 5 unreserved tickets upper bullens, can see them opening 3/4 of the ground tbh if they think 20,000 are expected
Post by: Robioto on April 25, 2017, 10:41:59 PM
t
Yep popped down to the box office, 5 unreserved tickets upper bullens, can see them opening 3/4 of the ground tbh if they think 20,000 are expected
It will be awesome if 20,000 go.
Post by: blargins on April 25, 2017, 11:16:14 PM
.............can't remember when I last wrote a cheque , everything now is cards or bank transfers. Even my last car I bought with debit card. Times change. Still like to carry cash though.
I like cheques. I like seeing something. I prefer receiving them from my clients as I have no charges to pay.
Would never dream of buying a car on a debit card. Most dealerships would say no here because of the high transaction fees.
Cheques are very common still here.
Post by: Toddacelli on April 25, 2017, 11:19:03 PM
.............can't remember when I last wrote a cheque , everything now is cards or bank transfers. Even my last car I bought with debit card. Times change. Still like to carry cash though.
Can we move this from the U23 Thread to the O73 Thread for you and @blargins (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=54) please? ;)
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2017, 11:56:09 PM
t..................I'm baffled why they started with the UB rather than the MS. I guess quite a few kopites will go ,you know ,all those disenfranchised locals who can't get tickets to Anfield.
Yep popped down to the box office, 5 unreserved tickets upper bullens, can see them opening 3/4 of the ground tbh if they think 20,000 are expected
Post by: Trowel on April 26, 2017, 12:32:31 AM
In the past two-and-a-half years, the national and international scouting network has expanded from nine scouts to 109 working across the UK and at all major international youth tournaments.
The goal, now achievable, is to scout every team of each of the 92 Football League clubs from Under-9 to Under-16 every season; effectively to know every single professional youth player in the country.
:clap:
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/18/cultivating-talent
Post by: ajax_andy on April 26, 2017, 12:59:39 AM
Not U-23 specific, but there was a great piece on the OS the other week about the Academy and how we bring youth through - the line about how we've expanded our scouting network caught my eye:
In the past two-and-a-half years, the national and international scouting network has expanded from nine scouts to 109 working across the UK and at all major international youth tournaments.
The goal, now achievable, is to scout every team of each of the 92 Football League clubs from Under-9 to Under-16 every season; effectively to know every single professional youth player in the country.
:clap:
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/18/cultivating-talent
That's pretty amazing really... 109 scouts sounds a lot but you sell one John Stones and you've covered their wages 10 times over for a decade.
Post by: Toddacelli on April 26, 2017, 06:31:46 PM
Not U-23 specific, but there was a great piece on the OS the other week about the Academy and how we bring youth through - the line about how we've expanded our scouting network caught my eye:
In the past two-and-a-half years, the national and international scouting network has expanded from nine scouts to 109 working across the UK and at all major international youth tournaments.
The goal, now achievable, is to scout every team of each of the 92 Football League clubs from Under-9 to Under-16 every season; effectively to know every single professional youth player in the country.
:clap:
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/18/cultivating-talent
I can do that! Gizza job!
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42967000/jpg/_42967487_yosser_203.jpg)
Post by: Lxxx on April 26, 2017, 06:42:01 PM
Mate of mine his kid has been offered a place at their academy with an offer to pay for his private education and all kinds of other incentives. It's tempting for my mate to recommend he take it as even if he doesn't make it, which is likely, he's had access to an education and experience he'd otherwise not have been able to get close to.
Post by: stirlingblue on April 28, 2017, 04:37:27 AM
they seem to throw obscene amounts of money at everyone
Isn't that what you have to do now? That's what Liverpool got in trouble for not doing.
If you want to offer one kid free school as a deal sweetener cos he looks the dogs bollocks then you've got to offer the same to every kid in your academy.
Great for the kids, and not like the football clubs can't afford it.
Post by: Lxxx on April 28, 2017, 04:48:37 PM
Isn't that what you have to do now? That's what Liverpool got in trouble for not doing.
If you want to offer one kid free school as a deal sweetener cos he looks the dogs bollocks then you've got to offer the same to every kid in your academy.
Great for the kids, and not like the football clubs can't afford it.
Hasn't worked out too great for them so far, throwing money at every bit of talent they spot. City just hoover up every kid who stands out in the whole area and hope one of them turns out to be a star. Have done for the past decade. Nothing even makes the bench, barring Iheanacho, and even he's been sidelined now.
They're a strange club who are kind of lost in who they are and what they are trying to achieve.. They spend vast amounts on their academy and youth recruitment but then give their managers unlimited funds to buy a trophy. I know a few people on their coaching staff at that level and they're a bit disillusioned with what they're expected to achieve and where the continuity is from one level to the next.
Although we only just beat them to the U-23 title it looks like we're miles apart in the model we operate. Probably by necessity but still, at least kids can see the career progression.
Post by: Toffee1 on April 28, 2017, 06:06:34 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4453064/Everton-s-dream-academy-beat-big-spenders-23s-title-fans-dubbing-group-young-stars-Golden-Generation.html
Post by: Macca77 on April 28, 2017, 06:08:04 PM
Post by: bigmanbob on April 28, 2017, 06:20:21 PM
Post by: Lxxx on April 28, 2017, 08:36:13 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-koeman-dampens-expectation-12959825
Post by: Macca77 on April 28, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
We shouldn't get too excited about seeing any of these players make the step up next season then...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-koeman-dampens-expectation-12959825
Watched the presser and he was pretty harsh about any of the youngsters chances
Post by: Lxxx on April 28, 2017, 08:42:04 PM
Watched the presser and he was pretty harsh about any of the youngsters chances
He's got a point though. We've already seen five kids step up to the first team this season, with varying success, and they'll all probably stay there for next season. To make the next jump to a top 4 challenge we need players who can make an impact and win games not just take part in games. That costs big money though. Over to you Steve.
Post by: Major Clanger on April 28, 2017, 08:52:07 PM
Post by: GLewis on April 28, 2017, 09:15:20 PM
He's got a point though. We've already seen five kids step up to the first team this season, with varying success, and they'll all probably stay there for next season. To make the next jump to a top 4 challenge we need players who can make an impact and win games not just take part in games. That costs big money though. Over to you Steve.
Said this at the game on Sat.
We've got no guarantees as options on the bench in the attacking areas.
It's good for youngsters to play ahead of people like Kone or equivalents as they'd be wasted minutes but if we're going to make bigger strides more quickly we need players who you know are going to be able to produce.
In reality our front 3 has Lukaku as a natural and performing fit; Barkley who has found a niche on the right and improved his decision making and creative play at home but still doesn't score enough; and on the left has been a rotation of players who for varying reasons haven't been good enough often enough.
That's without the plan that we'd have 2/3 subs who theoretically should be challenging the 3 starting players for their places.
So then bear in mind that the youngsters in the u23 team are behind those who are in and around the first team.
Post by: GLewis on April 28, 2017, 09:16:33 PM
He said the same thing about Davies too at the start of the season. When they'll be ready, they'll hopefully be given a chance.
Yes.
Plus the end of the season (winning something or not) isn't some sort of qualifying milestone.
It doesn't mean that players now have to be ready or that's it.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 08, 2017, 09:30:14 PM
Post by: blue1948 on May 08, 2017, 09:42:21 PM
Post by: bluestevie on May 08, 2017, 10:16:20 PM
For all us castoffs is it on Everton tv ?
Yes for a £2.99 donation to Where The Home Is
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 08, 2017, 10:18:47 PM
Apparently the players miss last two games
https://twitter.com/England/status/861536164741750784
Post by: Alanvideo on May 08, 2017, 10:29:18 PM
Don't forget this tonight lads, off to UB , what do you think the queue's will be like??, what time would get their?? live 20min away(walking)...................it's such a nice evening ,I reckon loads will go last minute ,including RS ,and it'll be chaos. KO 7pm but don't know if they presenting the trophy first .
Post by: Lxxx on May 08, 2017, 10:29:47 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 08, 2017, 11:04:46 PM
We've got virtually a quarter of the whole England squad. Not bad.
That's a lot of Toffee scapegoats for when we don't win the tourney.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 08, 2017, 11:27:54 PM
...................it's such a nice evening ,I reckon loads will go last minute ,including RS ,and it'll be chaos. KO 7pm but don't know if they presenting the trophy first .Turnstiles open 6.15 , think we will leave @6pm
Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2017, 12:28:40 AM
Post by: Everton Mint on May 09, 2017, 12:36:19 AM
Is it live or not ? Anyone in the UK watching ?
Post by: Major Clanger on May 09, 2017, 12:39:24 AM
Why is the website saying: 'Please note: Delayed coverage from 5.15pm in the UK' ?
Is it live or not ? Anyone in the UK watching ?
It's on here for a £4 donation to Home is Where the Heart is, which is a great cause.
http://preseason.evertonfc.com/live
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 09, 2017, 12:54:43 AM
Post by: Goaljira on May 09, 2017, 01:02:21 AM
England u20 squad
Apparently the players miss last two games
https://twitter.com/England/status/861536164741750784
Without Kenny, Lookman and DCL will we be able to fill the bench on friday? Bit shit that Kenny doesnt get a chance to start.
Post by: curro.uk on May 09, 2017, 01:02:38 AM
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Post by: curro.uk on May 09, 2017, 01:03:55 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on May 09, 2017, 01:08:43 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 09, 2017, 01:13:34 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 09, 2017, 01:39:15 AM
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Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2017, 01:41:39 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 09, 2017, 01:49:06 AM
Sportsmania lfc TV if you have it / want to watch it
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I've got one of them dodgy boxes and it has LFC TV on it, but it's becoming unbearable listening to Neil Mellor and that other gobshite.
Post by: Major Clanger on May 09, 2017, 01:52:27 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 09, 2017, 01:55:17 AM
I think Beni Baningime will be the next young player to be given a couple of minutes in the first team. I certainly expect him to travel to pre-season with the first team.Unsworth has mentioned him a few times now
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 09, 2017, 01:56:44 AM
I think Beni Baningime will be the next young player to be given a couple of minutes in the first team. I certainly expect him to travel to pre-season with the first team.
The new Kante.
Post by: Shogun on May 09, 2017, 02:06:06 AM
Post by: Ross on May 09, 2017, 02:15:30 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 09, 2017, 02:15:59 AM
As if they're on course to do the double over us despite Everton winning the league.It's literally in our dna
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 09, 2017, 02:19:26 AM
Post by: Shogun on May 09, 2017, 02:19:58 AM
Getting tonked here and the LFC TV commentator is having a wank
Wonder if they'll stick around for the presentation
Post by: Everton Mint on May 09, 2017, 02:20:01 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 09, 2017, 02:20:35 AM
Good goal
Post by: Major Clanger on May 09, 2017, 02:20:43 AM
As if they're on course to do the double over us despite Everton winning the league.
Shows how good we are. Winning the league even when we give everybody a 6 point advantage (and 12 for them lot).
Post by: ally2 on May 09, 2017, 02:20:52 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 09, 2017, 02:25:18 AM
Kenny is definitely ready to challenge for RB in the first team though.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2017, 02:28:31 AM
Kenny is definitely ready to challenge for RB in the first team though.
Saves us a bit of money in the summer. Kenny and Holgate can cover Seamus' absence.
Post by: ally2 on May 09, 2017, 02:32:58 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 09, 2017, 02:37:52 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 09, 2017, 02:44:47 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2017, 02:45:04 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on May 09, 2017, 02:45:28 AM
The rest of them unfortunately are well below their best.
But we got one back, and that's all that matters on the night :)
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 09, 2017, 02:48:20 AM
Kenny in particular really is great
Post by: Major Clanger on May 09, 2017, 02:54:41 AM
Baningime And Kenny are a level above the rest by the looks of it.
Kenny in particular really is great
Baningime is only 18 too.
Post by: Major Clanger on May 09, 2017, 02:57:02 AM
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Post by: Audrey Horne on May 09, 2017, 03:29:52 AM
Post by: Macca77 on May 09, 2017, 04:17:51 AM
Post by: Bally on May 09, 2017, 04:30:16 AM
Pitch invasions at an under 23's game though, lids in the park end throwing cans onto the pitch as wellKopites from the paddock fucking jumped on as well the little cunts
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2017, 05:16:30 AM
I was sat MS in line with the park end and didn't see any cans. Saw a tropical luco hit the pitch after our goal like but that was thrown from the MS.
From our side Beni and Kenny looked good, the rest looked like kids. Even Besic.
They also didn't look particularly good. Gruijic looked like the only grown up on the pitch, and their n.9 was a pacey trouble. Most uneasy I've seen Feeney and Pennington tbh, both looked a bit jarg on the ball, barring one good pass from Feeney in the second half.
Oh and I liked Sambou, ran his bollocks off and looked like he had a little bit on the ball but he never really got a chance. Dyson put himself about abit but looked a bit like a knucklehead if you know what I mean.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 09, 2017, 05:30:40 AM
Post by: Bluebridge on May 09, 2017, 02:00:53 PM
Post by: Bally on May 09, 2017, 03:01:25 PM
The pitch invasion was one of the funniest things I've seen for a long time, as for the players on display, Kenny really stood out, plays very similar to Coleman.The pitch invasion really fucking pissed me off, the club do something nice, the free entry was a lovely touch, then little fucking knobheads try and spoil it so they can go into school tomorrow with the YouTube video they recorded on their fucking phones, if that was one of mine I'd have slapped the fucking spit out of them.
My daughter knew pretty much every one if the little cunts that went on from the lower Bullens, I fucking hate it.
Post by: Macca77 on May 09, 2017, 03:16:30 PM
The pitch invasion really fucking pissed me off, the club do something nice, the free entry was a lovely touch, then little fucking knobheads try and spoil it so they can go into school tomorrow with the YouTube video they recorded on their fucking phones, if that was one of mine I'd have slapped the fucking spit out of them.
My daughter knew pretty much every one if the little cunts that went on from the lower Bullens, I fucking hate it.
Quite a few of them got grabbed by angry fans when they ran into the park end and were lashed out
Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
Post by: Macca77 on May 09, 2017, 05:35:27 PM
I was in the park end and didn't see anyone thrown cans on the pitch or fans grabbing the ketwigs.
Quite a few of them were sat close to me, main stand side
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 01, 2017, 03:51:18 PM
Allegedly
Everton are interested in signing Boris Mathis, very interested if L’Equipe are to be believed.
The French newspaper, in their Saturday edition, say Everton are the ‘most serious’ option for Mathis right now. L’Equipe go as far as saying the Metz player ‘could leave Lorraine very soon and sign a first professional contract with a Premier League club.’
Le Republicain Lorraine (http://www.republicain-lorrain.fr/sports/2017/06/30/football-le-jeune-attaquant-du-fc-metz-boris-mathis-s-engage-avec-everton), a local media outlet, say Mathis has already signed a two year contract with Everton, but they base that on a tweet from their journalist Jean-Séb Gallois, since deleted.
Gallois later sent out another tweet (https://twitter.com/RLgallois/status/880828511736528896), without the 2 year timeframe, saying Mathis has agreed to join Everton.
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Post by: Goaljira on July 01, 2017, 04:04:35 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 01, 2017, 04:16:30 PM
Norwegian, Swedish.... It's all the same
Post by: Confucius on July 01, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
Someone take him into town and buy him some trainers!
And some socks
Post by: Nicco on July 01, 2017, 04:20:25 PM
https://twitter.com/nedretvedt/status/880897814531899393Was ready to write something but ah well...
Norwegian, Swedish.... It's all the same
Over to Trevor Stevens then
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 01, 2017, 06:56:48 PM
Post by: di_guyo on July 01, 2017, 07:04:24 PM
Seems we're very serious about the U23s. I love it.
Every reason to be. So unpredictable at that age that one of these players not labelled wonderkids could actually be the one to kick on. Look at Michael Keane. Worst case scenario they never make it to the first team, but they help the rest of the lads win U23s, so that when they come up they're winners and they're confident in their abilities. I really like this initiative.
Post by: brap2 on July 02, 2017, 03:51:40 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 02, 2017, 03:56:55 AM
Anton Donkor signing tomorrow apparently.
At the Hilton (?). In his IG story http://instagram.com/anton_donkor
Post by: Goaljira on July 02, 2017, 04:23:49 AM
Anton Donkor signing tomorrow apparently.
The lad we had on loan who got injured right away?
Post by: sam of the south on July 02, 2017, 04:27:06 AM
The lad we had on loan who got injured right away?
Yeah, that's the one, German forward
Post by: brap2 on July 02, 2017, 04:28:47 AM
The lad we had on loan who got injured right away?
That's him. Got some good reviews here and we're obviously keen to see abit more of him.
Maybe a big day Monday with a load of U23's and a few first teamers.
Post by: Toddacelli on July 02, 2017, 02:12:17 PM
That's him. Got some good reviews here and we're obviously keen to see abit more of him.
Maybe a big day Monday with a load of U23's and a few first teamers.
Can't wait till tomorrow!
Post by: Hesmenos on July 02, 2017, 02:36:18 PM
https://twitter.com/nedretvedt/status/880897814531899393Isn't this the 15 year old kid? I imagine he won't be going into the U23s team.
Norwegian, Swedish.... It's all the same
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 05, 2017, 09:18:57 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/07/05/blues-sign-mathis
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 05, 2017, 10:03:05 PM
Someone take him into town and buy him some trainers!And some trousers the right length....or am I now showing my age ?
Post by: Goaljira on July 06, 2017, 09:06:41 PM
Made up with this. 2 years too, not just the 1 like the kids the other day.
Post by: pjk on July 06, 2017, 09:08:21 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/882962373920735232
Made up with this. 2 years too, not just the 1 like the kids the other day.
Thought I'd leave it to you in case I screwed it up again. :)
Post by: Lxxx on July 06, 2017, 09:16:30 PM
Post by: TheRam on July 07, 2017, 05:54:23 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/882962373920735232
Made up with this. 2 years too, not just the 1 like the kids the other day.
Looks very good this lad. Think he's younger than most at his group as well?
Looking forward to seeing how he develops.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 07, 2017, 05:56:03 AM
Post by: Lazarou on July 07, 2017, 08:12:29 PM
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Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 08, 2017, 06:26:45 AM
Despite our lads performances this summer none of them made the cut.
http://www.skysports.com/share/10936111
Post by: brap2 on July 08, 2017, 06:47:05 AM
Who could break through in '17 - '18.
Despite our lads performances this summer none of them made the cut.
http://www.skysports.com/share/10936111
Fucking tits aren't they.
Win the U23 prem and have 5 in the World Cup winning team and don't get a mention.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 08, 2017, 02:01:21 PM
Fucking tits aren't they.
Win the U23 prem and have 5 in the World Cup winning team and don't get a mention.
It's very strange. I think you'd have to actively avoid young blues in order to leave them out of this type of thing. I mean, were top of the youth pile at the moment in many ways. So how on earth could none of the lads feature?
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 09, 2017, 02:40:58 PM
Tickled me this
Post by: Escla on July 09, 2017, 02:47:47 PM
Fucking tits aren't they.
Win the U23 prem and have 5 in the World Cup winning team and don't get a mention.
That really does take the fucking biscuit !
Post by: BlueForYou on July 09, 2017, 02:58:08 PM
Post by: dazfrancis on July 16, 2017, 04:25:12 AM
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Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 16, 2017, 04:28:47 AM
Post by: Shogun on July 16, 2017, 04:31:58 AM
Has Baxter joined up with us yet?
Post by: ally2 on July 19, 2017, 05:53:31 AM
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 19, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
"Sambon"
Has Baxter joined up with us yet?
Forgot all about that
Post by: bigmanbob on July 19, 2017, 03:29:15 PM
Fucking tits aren't they.That Chilwell looked excellent in the World Cup
Win the U23 prem and have 5 in the World Cup winning team and don't get a mention.
Post by: stirlingblue on July 19, 2017, 03:30:00 PM
That Chilwell looked excellent in the World Cup
He looked excellent against us last year too, would be a great successor to Baines
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 19, 2017, 07:36:53 PM
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Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 19, 2017, 07:45:24 PM
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Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 20, 2017, 02:41:17 PM
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 02:43:04 PM
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 20, 2017, 02:49:09 PM
Geordies are fuming about this young left back we are taking from them. Looks like they expected him to break into the first team this season.Maybe this is our back up/Baines' long term replacement.
Or we are doing what Chelsea and City do and stockpiling players to sell at a later date.
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 03:00:14 PM
Maybe this is our back up/Baines' long term replacement.
Or we are doing what Chelsea and City do and stockpiling players to sell at a later date.
A bit of both probably. If one doesn't work they're an income stream to buy someone who does.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 20, 2017, 03:02:47 PM
Geordies are fuming about this young left back we are taking from them. Looks like they expected him to break into the first team this season.
I would love it, love it if we signed him.
Post by: Juanito on July 20, 2017, 03:07:47 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/631143/Joshua-Zirkzee-Everton-Arsenal-Manchester-United-transfer-news
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 20, 2017, 03:10:23 PM
At any level, that's a bit good like.
Post by: bigmanbob on July 20, 2017, 06:49:24 PM
Post by: Alanvideo on July 20, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
Joe Williams has gone to Barnsley on a season long loan...................so that's Pennington ,Browning ,Galloway and Williams gone out on loan ,plus Henry and any others I've forgotten. We're turning into Chelsea !
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2017, 07:50:22 PM
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 07:56:20 PM
...................so that's Pennington ,Browning ,Galloway and Williams gone out on loan ,plus Henry and any others I've forgotten. We're turning into Chelsea !
Well they've made about £130m in sales since January so it's clearly a model that works. Although I'd like to think we'd be doing this with a view to a proportion of them actually making it with us and saving us a fortune like.
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 20, 2017, 09:30:31 PM
...................so that's Pennington ,Browning ,Galloway and Williams gone out on loan ,plus Henry and any others I've forgotten. We're turning into Chelsea !Fucking hope so 5 league titles 4 Fa Cups and a European Cup in 15 years. I'd love that.
Post by: bigmanbob on July 20, 2017, 09:58:31 PM
Last years U23 league winners, those good enough, move them into the senior squad, for those not quite there, loan them out and spend a not inconsiderable amount replacing them. It makes an already enviable youth set up even stronger
It's amazing what you can do when you're minted
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2017, 10:29:41 PM
It's an interesting approach though which seems to be premeditated.
Last years U23 league winners, those good enough, move them into the senior squad, for those not quite there, loan them out and spend a not inconsiderable amount replacing them. It makes an already enviable youth set up even stronger
It's amazing what you can do when you're minted
I don't even think it's about being rich. It's about having plans in place. We seem to have a clear vision on every part of the club now. Moshiri has been brilliant in terms of making us a truly professional outfit
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 20, 2017, 11:56:54 PM
Something tells me it could be a nice tasty thread this season.
Post by: Lazarou on July 27, 2017, 05:15:40 PM
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Post by: BlueForYou on July 27, 2017, 10:50:20 PM
Problem solved!
Post by: Lxxx on July 28, 2017, 12:54:32 AM
That must be Matty Foulds from Bury - left footed centre back
Problem solved!
Mates dad is a season ticket holder at Bury and even he wondered why Everton were buying him. He wasn't anything special at that level so God knows what Reeves and Martinez saw in him.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on August 06, 2017, 03:12:48 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 06, 2017, 03:16:05 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 06, 2017, 03:27:20 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 06, 2017, 03:37:28 AM
Any news on Jose Baxter? Is he with the squad? Has he played any minutes
Apparently he just sits on a stool near Unsy everyday, whenever one of the younger lads fuck up or show a little bit of disobedience Unsy stands up, points at Baxter and says to the young lad "do you want to end up like him", it soon refocuses them.
Post by: Cassius on September 02, 2017, 02:20:30 AM
We've signed a lad called Dennis - not that Dennis, sorry @Toddacelli (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432) - but an 18 year old from Fulham for £4m.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11015694/everton-sign-teenager-dennis-adeniran-from-fulham (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11015694/everton-sign-teenager-dennis-adeniran-from-fulham)
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Everton have signed Fulham's England U18 international midfielder Dennis Adeniran on a four-year deal.
The 18-year-old heads to Goodison Park on a deal until the summer of 2021 after making five senior appearances for the Sky Bet Championship club.
Including add-ons, Adeniran could end up costing Everton a fee of £4m, Sky Sports News understands.
Adeniran scored on his professional debut in an EFL Cup match at Leyton Orient 12 months ago, and he played two more games in that competition as well as one league outing and a single appearance in the FA Cup.
He played for England at the European U17 Championships in 2016, when the Young Lions reached the quarter-finals.
Post by: Toddacelli on September 02, 2017, 02:31:32 AM
Can't see anything on here about this, which may have been swallowed up by the excitement and success of deadline day, so forgive me if I'm repeating this.
We've signed a lad called Dennis - not that Dennis, sorry @Toddacelli (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432) - but an 18 year old from Fulham for £4m.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11015694/everton-sign-teenager-dennis-adeniran-from-fulham (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11015694/everton-sign-teenager-dennis-adeniran-from-fulham)
Fulham fans react on Twitter:
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/09/01/absolutely-gutted-fulham-fans-react-on-twitter-to-dennis-adenira/
Post by: Lxxx on September 02, 2017, 03:39:57 AM
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Post by: MrWhite on September 03, 2017, 05:52:57 AM
Conor Grant taken to hospital after being knocked out in a collision playing for Crewe.. Can't find any updates on his condition, hope he's ok. :(
Post by: Major Clanger on September 03, 2017, 05:55:15 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-conor-grant-taken-hospital-13564469
Conor Grant taken to hospital after being knocked out in a collision playing for Crewe.. Can't find any updates on his condition, hope he's ok. :(
Fortunately nothing serious.
https://twitter.com/crewealexfc/status/904055748132560897
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on September 05, 2017, 02:41:01 PM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/turned-down-celtic-move-transfer-11103771
He is looking forward to helping knock Brendan Rodgers out of the CL in a couple of weeks, when they meet. We will have to keep our eye on that if anyone is interested in seeing him play, if he gets a start. We are going to have some squad in a year or two with all these excellent kids.
Post by: Shogun on September 05, 2017, 03:05:24 PM
Don't forget our Henry over at Anderlect - it was "his destiny" to join us!
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/turned-down-celtic-move-transfer-11103771
He is looking forward to helping knock Brendan Rodgers out of the CL in a couple of weeks, when they meet. We will have to keep our eye on that if anyone is interested in seeing him play, if he gets a start. We are going to have some squad in a year or two with all these excellent kids.
Be good if he can score any goal for the soon then.
Post by: Hawkandro on September 05, 2017, 06:47:23 PM
Post by: brap2 on September 05, 2017, 07:40:12 PM
Does anyone know what happened with Zirkzee in the end?
Went to someone fancy, Bayern maybe.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 08, 2017, 04:54:40 PM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 08, 2017, 09:19:54 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on September 09, 2017, 12:17:43 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 09, 2017, 12:43:59 AM
Who was that #16 at the end of the second vid?
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/08/29/highlights-chelsea-0-3-under-23s
lol i also been through the under 21 squad.. the only player who looks like the 16 (only saw him run from behind when he took the shot) is Boris Mathis. but i have no idea really.
http://www.evertonfc.com/teams/under-23s?page=2
Post by: brap2 on September 09, 2017, 01:40:36 AM
Who was that #16 at the end of the second vid?
Looked good didn't he. I thought maybe henen?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 09, 2017, 02:18:09 AM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/08/29/highlights-chelsea-0-3-under-23s
lol i also been through the under 21 squad.. the only player who looks like the 16 (only saw him run from behind when he took the shot) is Boris Mathis. but i have no idea really.
http://www.evertonfc.com/teams/under-23s?page=2
He back from injury? I've heard he's a top prospect.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 09, 2017, 02:18:39 AM
Looked good didn't he. I thought maybe henen?
Seemed to have that bit extra didn't he.
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 09, 2017, 07:42:15 AM
Looked good didn't he. I thought maybe henen?
Henen ain't white, and is too often shite lolol
(To clarify, by shite I mean inconsistent and he's been playing at U21/U23 level for ages already, plus an unsuccessful loan to League One. The Echo think we tried to sell him in January.)
Number 16 was Nathan Broadhead, @Everton Mint (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3381) was backing him in the "U23 for Europa" thread, perhaps he'll be the next Davies that goes from not being good enough to loan out to getting his head down to make a surprise emergence from the U23's!
Post by: brap2 on September 09, 2017, 04:44:27 PM
Henen ain't white, and is too often shite lolol
(To clarify, by shite I mean inconsistent and he's been playing at U21/U23 level for ages already, plus an unsuccessful loan to League One. The Echo think we tried to sell him in January.)
Number 16 was Nathan Broadhead, @Everton Mint (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3381) was backing him in the "U23 for Europa" thread, perhaps he'll be the next Davies that goes from not being good enough to loan out to getting his head down to make a surprise emergence from the U23's!
Good shout
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 10, 2017, 06:58:58 PM
Supposedly you have to be a paid member of Everton in some capacity to watch it!
Robles
Kenny, Feeney, Gibson, Foulds
Baningme, Charsley
Jones, Adeniran, Lookman
Niasse
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 10, 2017, 07:12:23 PM
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 10, 2017, 08:22:46 PM
Post by: Polledreng on September 10, 2017, 08:25:12 PM
Post by: Polledreng on September 10, 2017, 08:28:40 PM
Post by: TheRam on September 10, 2017, 08:29:19 PM
Post by: Trowel on September 10, 2017, 08:29:51 PM
No one watching then? Apparently there have been two more goals, 'stunning' strike from Lookman to restore our lead after they equalised.https://twitter.com/UpperGwladysBlu/status/906872118415171584
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 10, 2017, 08:31:45 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on September 10, 2017, 08:33:32 PM
so 4-1 ten min to go
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 10, 2017, 09:26:49 PM
Post by: Shogun on September 10, 2017, 09:29:59 PM
Post by: Ravardo on September 11, 2017, 12:02:29 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on September 11, 2017, 01:26:40 AM
Some have said Koeman is sticking with Martina as an ego thing: I've brought him to the club, I'm going to stick by him. But surely you wouldn't stick by a shit player when it could ultimately cost your team games/points?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 11, 2017, 01:44:44 AM
I've said it before but kinda tongue-in-cheek - Kenny must look dreadful in training or have some fundamental flaw that means he isn't starting games. Anyone seen much of him and can shed some light?
Some have said Koeman is sticking with Martina as an ego thing: I've brought him to the club, I'm going to stick by him. But surely you wouldn't stick by a shit player when it could ultimately cost your team games/points?
When Koeman left Saints, Martina didnt feature under the new manager all season lol, i think that says enough about him (Martina)
From what i've seen from Kenny, albeit under 23s and the england under 21 world cup winning team,. he is a replica of Coleman.
I dont get it, Holgate, Kenny, and then we buy Martina.. i know it was a freebie,. but still.. must have knocked Kenny back a bit.
Koeman claims to give youth chance, but i think he's just as stubborn as Moyes.
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 11, 2017, 03:01:24 AM
When Koeman left Saints, Martina didnt feature under the new manager all season lol, i think that says enough about him (Martina)
From what i've seen from Kenny, albeit under 23s and the england under 21 world cup winning team,. he is a replica of Coleman.
I dont get it, Holgate, Kenny, and then we buy Martina.. i know it was a freebie,. but still.. must have knocked Kenny back a bit.
Koeman claims to give youth chance, but i think he's just as stubborn as Moyes.
100% agreed, I hope the latter line isn't true and it's something we don't get to see making up Koeman's mind about (not) playing him.
Post by: Shogun on September 11, 2017, 03:14:28 AM
I've said it before but kinda tongue-in-cheek - Kenny must look dreadful in training or have some fundamental flaw that means he isn't starting games. Anyone seen much of him and can shed some light?
Some have said Koeman is sticking with Martina as an ego thing: I've brought him to the club, I'm going to stick by him. But surely you wouldn't stick by a shit player when it could ultimately cost your team games/points?
As well as Koeman has done with the youth, he does seem a bit reluctant to give them a chance initially.
If it weren't for injuries then Tom Cleverley would still be around and Tom Davies out on loan.
Post by: stirlingblue on September 11, 2017, 01:39:59 PM
But surely you wouldn't stick by a shit player when it could ultimately cost your team games/points?
*cough* Williams *cough*
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 11, 2017, 07:48:15 PM
https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2017/9/10/16283388/everton-under-23s-tottenham-4-1-match-recap-highlights-watch-goals
gizzblue has the much better official highlights linked below.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 11, 2017, 08:27:44 PM
he looks composed, aware of whats going on around him, i know it was the reserve league, but he's offered more in that highlights package (and the chelsea highlights) to be ahead of Sandro for me.,. which is fucking unbelievable.
Post by: hill135 on September 11, 2017, 08:48:42 PM
Niasse doesnt seem like the same raw talent we originally signed.
he looks composed, aware of whats going on around him, i know it was the reserve league, but he's offered more in that highlights package (and the chelsea highlights) to be ahead of Sandro for me.,. which is fucking unbelievable.
It's under 23s football!
Post by: gizzblue on September 11, 2017, 09:10:45 PM
Quality from Niasse
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 11, 2017, 09:17:12 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jllg3kHtULs
Quality from Niasse
That's more like it! So they took 24 hours to slap the official highlights up...
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 11, 2017, 09:20:37 PM
It's under 23s football!
So his good control, passing and finishing can't translate? I'd agree his movement might not look so hot against better defenders, I bet you posted that without watching the goals!
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 11, 2017, 09:55:26 PM
posted with out the hyperlink
awesome cross by kenny, plus the ball down the line to Henen for the third goal, what does he have to do to get a look in??
Post by: themilkycoffees on September 11, 2017, 10:02:31 PM
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 11, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
If Niasse was an academy product, we'd all be crying out for him to be starting in the first team. He can't be any worse than what we've seen so far....can he?
I don't want him getting thrown in against Utd but I hope he's at least on the bench for the EFL cup tie. I think it's more likely Koeman will see that fixture as a chance to build the confidence of his preferred players though. It just seems he's earnt a shot at some senior game-time against somebody or other.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 11, 2017, 10:10:34 PM
I don't want him getting thrown in against Utd but I hope he's at least on the bench for the EFL cup tie. I think it's more likely Koeman will see that fixture as a chance to build the confidence of his preferred players though. It just seems he's earnt a shot at some senior game-time against somebody or other.
i would throw him in against united.. play DCL up top with NIASSETY, give Man U something different to think about, 2 strikers who want to stretch the pitch, then we can play 3-5-2 and pack out midfield/defense. least we will have 2 players with decent pace who want to get in behind.. i'd drop Rooney, Sig will have to runners/strikers to aim for..
worth a shot in my view.. i bet with that strikeforce we have more than the average of 1.75 shots on target a match.
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 11, 2017, 10:16:32 PM
i would throw him in against united.. play DCL up top with NIASSETY, give Man U something different to think about, 2 strikers who want to stretch the pitch, then we can play 3-5-2 and pack out midfield/defense. least we will have 2 players with decent pace who want to get in behind.. i'd drop Rooney, Sig will have to runners/strikers to aim for..
worth a shot in my view.. i bet with that strikeforce we have more than the average of 1.75 shots on target a match.
Never going to happen though, is it? It would mean dropping Rooney and Klaassen, and only one of DCL or Sandro could start with Oumar.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 11, 2017, 10:21:46 PM
Never going to happen though, is it? It would mean dropping Rooney and Klaassen, and only one of DCL or Sandro could start with Oumar.
id drop rooney/sandro and klaassen for the man utd match and play alll 3 of them behind DCL v Atlanta lol.
Post by: brap2 on September 11, 2017, 10:25:53 PM
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 11, 2017, 10:28:44 PM
Isn't he excluded from EL squad?
I nearly had that reaction then realised what SANA says makes sense, Sandro/Rooney/Klaassen behind DCL for the Europa, for Utd he'd play Niasse with one of Rooney/Sandro and have Sigurdsson behind them!
Never going to happen nor should it of course!
Post by: Lxxx on September 11, 2017, 10:52:13 PM
Post by: TheRam on September 11, 2017, 10:55:18 PM
For a minute there I thought I read that people wanted to see Niasse thrown in to play away at Old Trafford.
Call me mad but I'd have him on the bench instead of Mirallas.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 11, 2017, 10:57:57 PM
For a minute there I thought I read that people wanted to see Niasse thrown in to play away at Old Trafford.
lol thats what i said dcl up top with big niassety
I nearly had that reaction then realised what SANA says makes sense, Sandro/Rooney/Klaassen behind DCL for the Europa, for Utd he'd play Niasse with one of Rooney/Sandro and have Sigurdsson behind them!
Never going to happen nor should it of course!
close, for united id play dcl and niasse up top with Siggy behind them gana and Schneiderlin in midfield, 2 wing backs, 3 cbs.
hopefully that way, we may get some rest bite for our defense, with big niasste and dcl making runs in behind.. we could even play Martina,, as he gets crossed into the box!
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 14, 2017, 06:22:46 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 16, 2017, 10:46:08 PM
noticed a new channel on sky (i dont subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions) to any of the channels) its 424 FREESPORTS, it has live La Liga on it and has live matches from the Belgian Jupiler league... tomorrow morning they're showing Kortrik V Anderlecht. I expect Onyekuru to score a hat-trick! (think the match is played today tho, recorded match tomorrow) but last week they showed 3 live games from the Jupiler league
FreeSports launches in UK - these are the football matches it will show
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/freesports-launches-uk-football-matches-13549972
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on September 17, 2017, 02:45:36 AM
under 23 related :p
noticed a new channel on sky (i dont subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions) to any of the channels) its 424 FREESPORTS, it has live La Liga on it and has live matches from the Belgian Jupiler league... tomorrow morning they're showing Kortrik V Anderlecht. I expect Onyekuru to score a hat-trick! (think the match is played today tho, recorded match tomorrow) but last week they showed 3 live games from the Jupiler league
FreeSports launches in UK - these are the football matches it will show
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/freesports-launches-uk-football-matches-13549972
Onyekuru came on in the 63rd minute and scored the equalizer in the 76th minute...he rescued a point for them in a 2-2 draw. Also booked.
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 18, 2017, 08:27:49 PM
Also, Gone a bit quiet on the dowell front, anyone know how he is doing?
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 18, 2017, 08:38:01 PM
Browning was dropped after being the main culprit of Sunderland losing last Tuesday, it was a bit like Keane to Schneiderlin, if the receiving player had been a bit more alert the misplaced place would have still been recovered but alas he played the opposition winger in, seconds later it's a goal conceded.
Post by: Hesmenos on September 18, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 18, 2017, 09:56:55 PM
rather watch the under23s than the first team atm.
Post by: Martip on September 18, 2017, 09:57:58 PM
Galloway hasn't even made the bench in the last few matches. Is he injured or is his loan spell going tits up again?My Sunderland supporting pal said he s been dreadful
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 18, 2017, 09:59:00 PM
Galloway hasn't even made the bench in the last few matches. Is he injured or is his loan spell going tits up again?Its mad to think that people were saying he was better than Baines 2 years ago
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 18, 2017, 10:50:19 PM
but no everton ;/
just sorted it.. joined the Derby FC site, free streaming of under 23 games.
https://www.dcfc.co.uk/fixtures/results/2017/09/18/u23-v-everton#live-video
you have to register, then its free :)
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 18, 2017, 11:18:42 PM
p.s. Galloway is almost certainly injured because Donald Love and Adam Matthews are truly diabolical, not to mention Brendan is the only left-sided cover.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 19, 2017, 12:09:41 AM
I guess if Kenny plays tonight he doesn't play on Wednesday night..
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 19, 2017, 12:12:27 AM
Edit: not even on the bench, must be starting Wednesday.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/909824356687028224
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 19, 2017, 12:14:26 AM
haha thanks Marky Mark,
I guess if Kenny plays tonight he doesn't play on Wednesday night..
Good call! Damn I've got work in 4 hours but I'm tempted to stay awake long enough to see the line-up haha
Nevermind, cheers @Duncs_a_legend (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=598) , that confirms it!
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 19, 2017, 12:17:42 AM
Kenny isn't playing I don't think?
Edit: not even on the bench, must be starting Wednesday.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/909824356687028224
Awesome, cheers Dunc you legend!
I guess that means Koemans been on NSNO and knows we want to see the king Niasse and King Kenny :S on wednesday!!
even more excited about tonight now!
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 19, 2017, 12:22:30 AM
Awesome, cheers Dunc you legend!
I guess that means Koemans been on NSNO and knows we want to see the king Niasse and King Kenny :S on wednesday!!
even more excited about tonight now!
F'kin 'ell I'd forgotten about Jar-Jar Oumar :D
Post by: Lincs Toffee on September 19, 2017, 01:35:06 AM
Nice to watch an attacking Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 19, 2017, 01:48:19 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 19, 2017, 02:29:52 AM
conditions are terrible tho
under 18 goal V West Brom
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2017, 02:56:44 AM
lol you can watch Spurs v Swans on Sportklub 3 Slovenia
but no everton ;/
just sorted it.. joined the Derby FC site, free streaming of under 23 games.
https://www.dcfc.co.uk/fixtures/results/2017/09/18/u23-v-everton#live-video
you have to register, then its free :)
Nice one lid.
Only half watched it as I was playing PES then eating a chippy and watching Corrie, but stand out player for me was Anthony Evans.
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2017, 03:01:18 AM
Kenny isn't playing I don't think?
Edit: not even on the bench, must be starting Wednesday.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/909824356687028224
I've noticed the young French lad Mathis seems to be training with the first team and isn't in the squad there.
Oh and no niasse there either :)
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2017, 03:01:49 AM
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2017, 03:29:55 AM
I've noticed the young French lad Mathis seems to be training with the first team and isn't in the squad there.
Oh and no niasse there either :)
Or Lookman.
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 19, 2017, 03:31:59 AM
I've noticed the young French lad Mathis seems to be training with the first team and isn't in the squad there.A lad I know marked him in a friendly this summer, admittedly he was only playing for flint but he said the French lad was so strong and his touch was immense
Oh and no niasse there either :)
Post by: Lxxx on September 19, 2017, 04:20:13 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on September 19, 2017, 04:21:12 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 19, 2017, 04:26:27 AM
Nice one lid.
Only half watched it as I was playing PES then eating a chippy and watching Corrie, but stand out player for me was Anthony Evans.
for me it was the Derby striker Babos.
Post by: Martip on September 19, 2017, 04:27:11 AM
Post by: Lxxx on September 19, 2017, 04:28:39 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 19, 2017, 04:36:21 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on September 19, 2017, 04:36:28 AM
Anderlecht manager been sacked wonder if that will affect onyerkru?
Also, Gone a bit quiet on the dowell front, anyone know how he is doing?
News from Sherwod forest is that although the Tricky Trees (yes - they call themselves that - seriously) are playing shite at the moment, young Kieran is still turning heads.
He's finding it hard at the moment because he's not getting enough game-time according to the Forest faithful - and when he does - the rest of the team are so crap that he struggles to have an impact.
Word on the street though is that he is still considered their best midfielder, by most fans and by some distance.
Post by: Realist on September 19, 2017, 04:49:44 AM
Nice one lid.
Only half watched it as I was playing PES then eating a chippy and watching Corrie, but stand out player for me was Anthony Evans.
:snigger:
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2017, 05:37:34 AM
:snigger:
🤷🏻♂️
Post by: Realist on September 19, 2017, 06:55:51 AM
🤷🏻♂️
😂👍
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2017, 01:19:40 PM
Post by: bluenuck on September 19, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
Really don't know what you're getting at
Who Fukkin does.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 19, 2017, 01:46:35 PM
Really don't know what you're getting at
Just a dopey prick trying to troll.
Post by: Realist on September 19, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
Was just messing mate as fifa is better imo, calm down ladies, false alarm. No need go get your knickers in a twist. Have a lovely day xxx
I was hoping it was that. I'm a newly converted PES man and will happily chat all day long about that.
However it probably says a lot about how on edge people are with you at the minute mate. I don't even always disagree with you because I'm so disappointed with the season so far but you're running the risk of just being seen as a token troll.
Not having a go, just pointing it out.
Post by: van der Meyde on September 19, 2017, 03:28:28 PM
Are we near the top of the league in this again? I know we started a bit ropey with all the new signings but are we back on it now?In 3rd on 10 points. 5 points off Liverpool who are top who have won all 5 games.
Post by: Realist on September 19, 2017, 03:29:15 PM
I was hoping it was that. I'm a newly converted PES man and will happily chat all day long about that.
However it probably says a lot about how on edge people are with you at the minute mate. I don't even always disagree with you because I'm so disappointed with the season so far but you're running the risk of just being seen as a token troll.
Not having a go, just pointing it out.
Yeah I tried PES but the servers were crap
I honestly couldn't care less if people are on edge with me mate
I've asked many times for people to show me examples of my trolling but they can't so it doesn't arse me what people think.
It's only a little harem who don't like me and it's mainly cos they don't like the truth.
But thanks for the heads up dude.
Hope you have a good day 👍
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 19, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
He's finding it hard at the moment because he's not getting enough game-time according to the Forest faithful
629 minutes from a possible 900 isn't bad really, he's had 2/3 of the gametime. Great that he's well thought of though.
Post by: Toddacelli on September 19, 2017, 04:29:33 PM
629 minutes from a possible 900 isn't bad really, he's had 2/3 of the gametime. Great that he's well thought of though.
Haha - dunno the stats but:
my boss, Lee, at work - "I don't know why they don't play him more"
my mate Angel "I think they're trying to protect him a bit - maybe there is an agreement with Everton that he won't play every game?"
my mum's next door neighbour Ian - "I love him - I just wish they'd play him more"
All season-ticket holders. Lee goes to most home games, Angel goes home and away, Ian goes every home game.
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 19, 2017, 10:17:54 PM
Haha - dunno the stats but:
my boss, Lee, at work - "I don't know why they don't play him more"
my mate Angel "I think they're trying to protect him a bit - maybe there is an agreement with Everton that he won't play every game?"
my mum's next door neighbour Ian - "I love him - I just wish they'd play him more"
All season-ticket holders. Lee goes to most home games, Angel goes home and away, Ian goes every home game.
Great stuff, thanks for sharing. I did look earlier, excluding added time he managed 62, 69, 27, 90, 62, 90, 90, 45, 63, 31 minutes which seems decent from our development perspective but it's high praise that the Forest faithful believe he should be getting more :)
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 19, 2017, 10:27:22 PM
Haha - dunno the stats but:Loved angel (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170919/52dcb08a37f1bd6e64df8a6d303bca7b.jpg)
my boss, Lee, at work - "I don't know why they don't play him more"
my mate Angel "I think they're trying to protect him a bit - maybe there is an agreement with Everton that he won't play every game?"
my mum's next door neighbour Ian - "I love him - I just wish they'd play him more"
All season-ticket holders. Lee goes to most home games, Angel goes home and away, Ian goes every home game.
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 21, 2017, 04:30:43 AM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on September 22, 2017, 12:46:31 AM
Onyekeru scored the winner for anderlecht tonight in a cup gameIt's like seeing a nice car in the showroom and you haven't past your test yet.. he should be doing that for us !
Post by: BlueForYou on September 22, 2017, 02:02:26 PM
Post by: Toddacelli on September 23, 2017, 04:39:46 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on September 23, 2017, 04:44:06 AM
3 goals in 6 games in the league
4 goals in 9 games in all competitions
I don;t know how many were starts or subs, sorry.
Post by: brap2 on September 23, 2017, 04:52:27 AM
Really interesting one this.
Post by: blargins on September 23, 2017, 05:27:17 AM
This year so far -
3 goals in 6 games in the league
4 goals in 9 games in all competitions
I don;t know how many were starts or subs, sorry.
I know he got 2 in one game.
Post by: Confucius on September 23, 2017, 06:16:55 AM
Post by: Lxxx on September 23, 2017, 02:27:05 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 23, 2017, 05:17:59 PM
not sure what to do this evening... Watch Dowell V Villa, or watch Mahrez and Gray destroy Liverpool.
Post by: BlueForYou on September 24, 2017, 08:23:09 PM
If Williams gets injured and with Keane and Jags out, straight in at the deep end for this lad - no problem
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 26, 2017, 01:26:33 AM
then i realised we're playing arsenal tonight :D
ill try and find a stream. if not on the efc website
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 26, 2017, 01:53:00 AM
cant even find the stream on everton tv on everton.com ;/ wtf
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 26, 2017, 01:54:47 AM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/09/25/evertonlive-u23s-face-arsenal
Post by: bluenuck on September 26, 2017, 02:05:42 AM
This year so far -
3 goals in 6 games in the league
4 goals in 9 games in all competitions
I don;t know how many were starts or subs, sorry.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/henry-onyekuru/leistungsdaten/spieler/380415
4 started, 3 subbed for league.
Was subbed in for CL game at 60 minutes.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on September 26, 2017, 02:14:04 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKlk1udXUAEKdAX.jpg)No Kenny there. Assume he’ll play (hopefully start) on Thursday.
cant even find the stream on everton tv on everton.com ;/ wtf
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 26, 2017, 02:26:34 AM
20:25 Almost A Second! evertonfc.com
Good play from Henen and Jones down the right sees the latter flash the ball across the six yard box. Sambou lunges but can't quite get a touch to steer it home.
20:23 GOAL! evertonfc.com
The two subs combine to haul Everton level! Sambou plays in Donkor and the German calmly slots past Huddart!
Post by: brap2 on September 26, 2017, 02:41:14 AM
going the next U23 game at goodison I reckon.
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 26, 2017, 02:51:40 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 26, 2017, 02:53:05 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 26, 2017, 03:10:29 AM
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on September 26, 2017, 03:23:35 AM
Came back from 0-1 down at Half Time too
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 26, 2017, 03:25:13 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 26, 2017, 03:51:46 AM
Post by: brap2 on September 26, 2017, 03:54:05 AM
https://twitter.com/HenenDavid/status/912417331661479937
Look at Unsie's little college of knowledge there. Going to win the league again these lads.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on September 26, 2017, 04:26:54 AM
Shame as was getting close to first team
Post by: Confucius on September 26, 2017, 04:27:33 AM
Look at Unsie's little college of knowledge there. Going to win the league again these lads.
College of Knowledge
I like that.
Post by: Shogun on September 26, 2017, 04:36:38 AM
Unsworth deserves massive credit.
Post by: brap2 on September 26, 2017, 04:36:54 AM
Looks like Gethin Jones has broken his leg tonight. :(
Shame as was getting close to first team
Terrible news that he's one of the real old guard of this u23 side.
Post by: brap2 on September 26, 2017, 04:37:46 AM
Best players promoted to the first team and still pulling off results like this.
Unsworth deserves massive credit.
Got to be one of the biggest budgets in PL2 at his disposal.
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 26, 2017, 04:40:36 AM
Looks like Gethin Jones has broken his leg tonight. :(Was he?
Shame as was getting close to first team
What you heard there?
From the outside he looked like he was about fifth to sixth choice
Horrible for the lad, hasn't he had a bad injury before??
Post by: Shogun on September 26, 2017, 04:51:46 AM
Got to be one of the biggest budgets in PL2 at his disposal.
Koeman has showed throwing money at replacements is harder than it looks.
Post by: pjk on September 26, 2017, 05:12:22 AM
http://uk.soccerway.com/teams/england/everton-u23/37158/
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on September 26, 2017, 05:15:04 AM
Post by: brap2 on September 26, 2017, 05:42:38 AM
Second in the league after that bad start. 4 wins in a row. Not bad. :)
http://uk.soccerway.com/teams/england/everton-u23/37158/
Have they got Baningime's age down as 29 there
Post by: pjk on September 26, 2017, 06:16:58 AM
Have they got Baningime's age down as 29 there
Yeah, they have. Lazy journalism. ;)
Post by: MmmblueBernard on September 26, 2017, 12:42:48 PM
Was he?
What you heard there?
From the outside he looked like he was about fifth to sixth choice
Horrible for the lad, hasn't he had a bad injury before??
Can't remember where I read about his 1st team prospects Jim but it was seemingly close.
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 26, 2017, 05:50:22 PM
My own impression of him was that he is going to play for Wales, but never be good enough for us. I reckon he will have a solid career but his peak level would be similar to Shane Duffy, which is not a bad thing, jsut not top third of the Premier League quality.
Post by: Hawkandro on September 26, 2017, 06:28:24 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-defender-gethin-jones-escapes-13675141
Post by: MmmblueBernard on September 26, 2017, 07:18:37 PM
Good news for Jones...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-defender-gethin-jones-escapes-13675141
Good news in a bad news roundabout way....
Post by: Eddiesheeds on September 26, 2017, 08:47:41 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 27, 2017, 12:27:29 AM
I guess if the match isnt live on Everton TV, they upload the highlights the next day :D
some terrible goal keeping in that, the under 23s look so happy :D
Post by: kramer0 on September 27, 2017, 12:45:55 AM
Post by: brap2 on September 27, 2017, 01:23:31 AM
Great goal from Antony Evans. Super lanky but super skilled.
Have you read much about biningime or adeniran? Like the look of what I've seen of both in the glimpses of what I've seen.
Post by: kramer0 on September 27, 2017, 02:05:21 AM
Have you read much about biningime or adeniran? Like the look of what I've seen of both in the glimpses of what I've seen.
Unsworth seems to really like Baningime. He played a big role last season with Joe Williams out and Davies moving up to the first team. He's a bit small but he's quick and does a lot of good defensive work. Fulham supporters thought highly of Adeniran and were disappointed to see him go but I don't much about him since he's so new.
The Grand Old Team "Everton Youth Teams Thread" is where I get most of my info about these players, although I haven't been keeping up lately. A few of the posters on there go to the U23 games regularly and have a pretty good idea of how highly rated the players are. It's probably the only thread on that site worth reading.
Post by: Hawkandro on September 27, 2017, 06:25:48 PM
The Grand Old Team "Everton Youth Teams Thread" is where I get most of my info about these players, although I haven't been keeping up lately.
Sort it out, Kramer, FFS...
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 01, 2017, 12:16:54 AM
Post by: starblood on October 01, 2017, 07:55:11 AM
Great shame for Jones :(Shane Duffy was good enough to be given a decent chance (long term) in the first team.
My own impression of him was that he is going to play for Wales, but never be good enough for us. I reckon he will have a solid career but his peak level would be similar to Shane Duffy, which is not a bad thing, jsut not top third of the Premier League quality.
He played exceedingly well when called upon during an injury crisis. Only for Moyes to drop him immediately when more senior players were available.
I'm a David Moyes fan, but not in this instance.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 01, 2017, 03:31:14 PM
Shane Duffy was good enough to be given a decent chance (long term) in the first team.
He played exceedingly well when called upon during an injury crisis. Only for Moyes to drop him immediately when more senior players were available.
I'm a David Moyes fan, but not in this instance.
Moyes always went for experience because he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag .
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 04:29:35 PM
Moyes always went for experience because he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag .
Not sure I totally agree with that. He wasn't a one season wonder with us you know.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 01, 2017, 05:57:59 PM
Not sure I totally agree with that. He wasn't a one season wonder with us you know.
I agree but he never looked likely to progress us ( finances a reason ) and we always seemed to run through beaten horses to finish 7th or 8th . Thats fine if thats what is acceptable given the lack of investment he faced . He did however prefer ( a bit like Ronald ) square pegging a seasoned pro rather than giving youngsters a chance unless injuries meant he had no choice . I would accept that had he had money he may have been able to develop youngsters over a longer period .
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 06:23:05 PM
Everton U18s held by Manchester United in game stifled by poor finishing
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-u18s-held-manchester-united-13697628
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 03, 2017, 12:42:10 AM
Even the under 18 right back looks better than Martina.
Post by: Makis on October 03, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
Post by: Toddacelli on October 03, 2017, 01:54:57 PM
Even the under 18 right back looks better than Martina.
Very good attacking. Some nice interplay in the run up to his assist, some attacking intent and putting the ball into the box and before that - an amazing crossfield ball from right back to left wing that was close to perfect.
But he did stop tracking his runner for the goal though. He gave up on the run but if he'd stayed with his man he would have at least been in a position to challenge him and maybe stop the goal, giving us a win instead of a draw.
If that sounds harsh - I don't mean to be. It's only U18's, not the end of the world and I'm sure he'll learn from it. It is nice seeing the youngsters do well. Reckon the U23's would beat the senior side at the mo (even though it's half made up of U23's).
Post by: Hawkandro on October 03, 2017, 02:27:31 PM
Post by: TheRam on October 03, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
He's the next one to break through.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 03, 2017, 02:36:45 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 03, 2017, 03:39:43 PM
I'm sure Martina would look decent against U18 opposition.
He should do. He'd be old enough to be their dad in some areas of Liverpool.
Post by: Django on October 03, 2017, 04:41:49 PM
It's a rarity that you see a breakthrough like Davies though isn't it.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 03, 2017, 05:35:16 PM
(One for the oldschoolers)
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 10, 2017, 11:01:22 PM
https://twitter.com/England/status/917763012089573381
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 10, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 10, 2017, 11:14:26 PM
the spine of the under 21 team is ours :d
https://twitter.com/England/status/917763012089573381
Good to see our lads getting selected in front of Solanke and Alexander-Arnold.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 10, 2017, 11:17:07 PM
Good to see our lads getting selected in front of Solanke and Alexander-Arnold.
lots of dodgy youtube links, no legit links :(
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 10, 2017, 11:20:48 PM
http://www.vipbox.nu/football/513040/1/andorra-u21-vs-england-u21-live-stream-online.html
but not streaming anything, says its waiting. but the match started 20 mins ago :(
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 10, 2017, 11:34:44 PM
Good to see our lads getting selected in front of Solanke and Alexander-Arnold.It's cos they are playing Andorra
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 10, 2017, 11:45:38 PM
It's cos they are playing Andorra
its a conspiracy! most amount of Everton players in an England team since the under 20 world cup, and its not even fucking on anywhere..
I think its on bet365. but they dont seem to remember who i am, and want me to create a new account and deposit 5£
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 11, 2017, 01:17:47 AM
Vlasic scored for Croatia last night :D
Post by: Martip on October 11, 2017, 01:36:29 AM
Post by: Lxxx on October 11, 2017, 02:31:31 AM
It's cos they are playing Andorra
Didn’t even clock the opposition
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 11, 2017, 02:35:39 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on October 12, 2017, 01:31:10 PM
"Head like a rocket, stuck his finger in the socket, punk mother fucker called Baningime"
(One for the oldschoolers)
Yeah that Kid can Play :)
Post by: Shogun on October 14, 2017, 01:32:20 AM
Post by: Shogun on October 14, 2017, 01:39:21 AM
2-0! Garbutt smashes in a free kick
Live on City's Facebook
Post by: Simon Paul on October 14, 2017, 01:39:41 AM
Jose Baxter started tonight
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/26BGqofNXjxluwX0k/giphy.gif)
Post by: Eddiesheeds on October 14, 2017, 01:41:40 AM
Post by: Bally on October 14, 2017, 01:45:26 AM
Post by: Shogun on October 14, 2017, 01:46:59 AM
Where's Everyone watching this
Post by: Shogun on October 14, 2017, 01:47:27 AM
Post by: Bally on October 14, 2017, 01:57:02 AM
TA
Post by: Shogun on October 14, 2017, 02:19:47 AM
Might just ditch the first team
Post by: Bally on October 14, 2017, 02:27:48 AM
Post by: TheRam on October 14, 2017, 02:31:23 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 14, 2017, 02:36:20 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 14, 2017, 02:37:30 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 14, 2017, 02:45:37 AM
Please let's appoint a manager who has a strong record developing young players. We've got a right crop, if we can harness and develop them properly.
David unsworth?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 14, 2017, 03:00:02 AM
David unsworth?
And let's lure Arteta back as assistant :)
Post by: Lxxx on October 14, 2017, 05:42:18 AM
The future is bright, shame the present is pretty dull.
Post by: hannu on October 14, 2017, 07:24:46 AM
Their last game of the season is against Liverpool. If they can or already have won the league by then we should totally have that game at Goodison
why we would only bottle it
didnt realise it was from january
Post by: Confucius on October 14, 2017, 07:36:18 AM
Post by: Shogun on October 14, 2017, 07:52:24 AM
We do have one of the highest budgets for the u23. Even more than City's.
Great to know Unsworth can manage and identify the right players too!
Post by: Everton Mint on October 14, 2017, 09:45:41 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 14, 2017, 11:34:20 PM
U18's won 5-1 @ Sunderland today.
The U-18’s could probably beat Sunderland’s first team 5-1.
Post by: bigmanbob on October 15, 2017, 04:16:26 AM
The U-18’s could probably beat Sunderland’s first team 5-1.They could probably beat our first team 5-1
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 17, 2017, 05:00:46 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 18, 2017, 04:57:56 AM
Post by: Shogun on October 18, 2017, 05:05:34 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 18, 2017, 05:11:39 AM
Made a lot of changes and were 1-0 at HT so hardly battered.Going off the match report they were
Yes lots of changes, two lads from u18s playing cb which is good to hear
Post by: TheRam on October 18, 2017, 05:13:22 AM
Post by: bigmanbob on October 18, 2017, 02:53:01 PM
Post by: Macca77 on October 18, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 18, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
It seemed a strange approach to the game to me, they played not only two under 18's lads (who to be fair sound like they had a good game) but they also gave a few of the squad players a game. The echo seemed to think this is because they have a big game on Friday. Would getting them used to playing two games in a week not be good prep for playing for the first team? Jesus my under 15 team played four games in a week at the end of least season to get all their games in
Unsworth and his team have a pretty good record so far so I'll trust their judgement on how they best utilise the lads in the setup.
Post by: bigmanbob on October 18, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
Unsworth and his team have a pretty good record so far so I'll trust their judgement on how they best utilise the lads in the setup.Yes totally agree, just seemed a bit strange :)
Post by: brap2 on October 18, 2017, 06:09:20 PM
Yes totally agree, just seemed a bit strange :)
Keeping up the long everton tradition of being shite in Europe.
Post by: Hawkandro on October 18, 2017, 06:46:57 PM
Post by: gizzblue on October 18, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Unsworth out.Long as it's for interim first team job...I concur.
Post by: Macca77 on October 19, 2017, 11:06:32 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/921041530894381058
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 04:27:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DdpX7660rA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DdpX7660rA)
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 08:18:46 PM
https://t.co/YjJJ3aWoit (https://t.co/YjJJ3aWoit)
Jose Baxter playing!
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 20, 2017, 11:04:53 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 21, 2017, 07:17:41 PM
The U-18’s could probably beat Sunderland’s first team 5-1.
Ok so they beat previously unbeaten, top of the league, Man City 5-3 today.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 21, 2017, 07:23:06 PM
Klaassen, on the other hand, would look class - and so he should!
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 22, 2017, 06:38:00 PM
How old is Sandro - 22? Could do with watching him play for the U23's to see if he would stand out - not so sure that he would
Klaassen, on the other hand, would look class - and so he should!
i said this around 2 weeks ago.. i just got laughed by bluebeagle or blue someone.. but thats what needs to happen.. the benefits for them are so much better than just sitting on the bench..
anyway
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 24, 2017, 03:56:33 PM
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 04:09:35 PM
Post by: Trublue on October 24, 2017, 04:19:08 PM
i said this around 2 weeks ago.. i just got laughed by bluebeagle or blue someone.. but thats what needs to happen.. the benefits for them are so much better than just sitting on the bench..
anyway
I think putting Sandro, in the Under 23's would do him the world of good. Get him playing 90 minutes so will get him fitter. Scoring goals and build his confidence. Also playing football with guys of the same age group may help him enjoy his football for a while and get a smile back on his face.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 24, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 04:42:28 PM
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 04:51:51 PM
I’m all for Sandro in the U23s. Did Niasse the world of good.
The good thing with Unsworth taking the reins for the first team is; he's got his finger on the pulse for the U23s and should be able to make a well-informed decision were Sandro is concerned. Koeman getting sacked could be a blessing in disguise were Sandro and Everton are concerned. Over to you Unsy mate. It's all yours. :)
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 06:00:04 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on October 24, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Post by: bigmanbob on October 24, 2017, 07:05:22 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 08:50:11 PM
So, do we reckon Unsworth will give any of the U23s a go in the first team?
We don't need them. We have more than enough youth in the first team setup at the minute, he just needs to concentrate on getting the first team squad back up to the levels required instead of throwing more kids into a tough situation.
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 08:52:04 PM
So, do we reckon Unsworth will give any of the U23s a go in the first team?
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/922822091312975872
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 08:55:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/922822091312975872
Shame Cuco is still hanging around like a bad smell. Was hoping he would have been in Ronald's car boot yesterday and onto the next stepping stone to Barca.
Post by: Hawkandro on October 24, 2017, 09:11:15 PM
Post by: bigmanbob on October 24, 2017, 10:10:14 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 25, 2017, 01:24:34 AM
We don't need them. We have more than enough youth in the first team setup at the minute, he just needs to concentrate on getting the first team squad back up to the levels required instead of throwing more kids into a tough situation.
Not sure. Think I'd like to see someone else have a go at left back (not suggesting we have that player in the u23s as I wouldn't know)
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 03:07:55 AM
Not sure. Think I'd like to see someone else have a go at left back (not suggesting we have that player in the u23s as I wouldn't know)
We do but he’s not registered to play.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 02, 2017, 07:48:49 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 11, 2017, 06:27:55 PM
Post by: mikey_blue on November 11, 2017, 08:35:59 PM
Loved that second goal.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 11, 2017, 09:37:08 PM
Post by: Major Clanger on November 11, 2017, 09:40:11 PM
Two things. 1. Hornby knows where the net is, must have a good record at this level. 2. The intro of those vids makes me think the highlight soundtrack is teenage dirtbag.
Similar, but it's definitely a different song. The guitarist is certainly a fan of The Edge.
Post by: Goaljira on November 11, 2017, 10:05:59 PM
Two things. 1. Hornby knows where the net is, must have a good record at this level. 2. The intro of those vids makes me think the highlight soundtrack is teenage dirtbag.
Hadnt watched it with sound, so had to go back and rewatch and youre right!
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2017, 10:14:34 PM
Post by: TheRam on November 11, 2017, 11:00:55 PM
Hornby scores every week.
Been training with the first team.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 11, 2017, 11:01:19 PM
Two things. 1. Hornby knows where the net is, must have a good record at this level. 2. The intro of those vids makes me think the highlight soundtrack is teenage dirtbag.
the music in the videos is awesome.
Post by: Silas on November 11, 2017, 11:03:36 PM
Hornby scores every week.
Be a result of his train-ing.
Post by: Ross on November 11, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 12, 2017, 12:01:06 AM
Sounds like he’s on the right track.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/b161ae34807aa6170707373fdb8584c4/tenor.gif?itemid=7862638)
Post by: MmmblueBernard on November 12, 2017, 07:30:30 AM
Hornby scores every week.
It’s hard to gauge his ability. Tends to go steaming into tackles. He’s a bit off the rails if you ask me.
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2017, 10:45:05 AM
Been training with the first team.
Really? Mans young as fuck.
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 12, 2017, 07:45:40 PM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 12, 2017, 08:31:17 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 19, 2017, 01:43:55 AM
Post by: Trowel on November 19, 2017, 02:09:06 AM
This feels familiar.
Post by: TheRam on November 19, 2017, 02:15:07 AM
Another reason unsworth can't continue being our manager
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 19, 2017, 02:37:06 AM
Post by: therealdunc on November 20, 2017, 06:09:48 AM
Post by: Coyb12 on November 20, 2017, 06:22:42 AM
Francis JeffersHe had £50 on the result.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 23, 2017, 10:31:11 PM
Post by: Goaljira on November 28, 2017, 02:30:17 AM
Bah, i got Anthony Evans and Antonee Robinson mixed up. I thought we might have a left back.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 28, 2017, 03:50:16 AM
Post by: GLewis on November 30, 2017, 10:19:53 PM
http://www.alfredopedulla.com/dalla-germania-gli-occhi-delleverton-kiprit-dellhertha/
Post by: Outworlder47 on November 30, 2017, 11:56:48 PM
Linked with a striker from Hertha...
http://www.alfredopedulla.com/dalla-germania-gli-occhi-delleverton-kiprit-dellhertha/
Muhammed Kiprit, 9 goals/4 assists in 12 games at the German equivalent of the U23s. Turkish U19 international, born in Berlin. 18 years old, and as of two weeks ago had yet to sign personal terms on a senior contract.
Post by: kramer0 on November 30, 2017, 11:59:08 PM
Phase 1: Sign all of the U23 strikers in Europe.
Phase 2: Wait for the next great forward to emerge.
Phase 3: Win or profit.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 01, 2017, 12:24:10 AM
Strategy:
Phase 1: Sign all of the U23 strikers in Europe.
Phase 2: Wait for the next great forward to emerge.
Phase 3: Win or profit.
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/63046255/sign-all-the-strikers.jpg)
back on topic
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 01, 2017, 12:32:31 AM
Strategy:
Phase 1: Sign all of the U23 strikers in Europe.
Phase 2: Wait for the next great forward to emerge.
Phase 3: Win or profit.
That you, Arsene?
Post by: Lxxx on December 01, 2017, 05:15:55 PM
That you, Arsene?
He's not even that forward thinking these days. Just pays big money for players and lets them run their contracts down now.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 02, 2017, 04:34:36 AM
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 09:20:45 PM
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5147331/Mbappe-overtakes-Alli-Europes-valuable-youngster.html
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 06, 2017, 03:59:39 AM
Post by: mikey_blue on December 06, 2017, 04:04:03 AM
Lad called Inar Iversen on the bench tonight. Not heard of him or ever seen him in any squad. Anyone know who he is?
Norwegian kid. We brought him in on trial a while ago. Must of extended it. Think he’s a CM.
That’s all I’ve got.
Post by: Goaljira on December 06, 2017, 04:15:51 AM
Lad called Inar Iversen on the bench tonight. Not heard of him or ever seen him in any squad. Anyone know who he is?
He's refined, sublime, he makes you feel fine
Though very much maligned and misunderstood
But if you know 'Inar he's a real crowd pleaser
He's ever so good, is Inar Iversen.
Post by: Toddacelli on December 06, 2017, 04:26:43 AM
He's refined, sublime, he makes you feel fineLet's hope he makes the first team - if only for this on the terraces. If only
Though very much maligned and misunderstood
But if you know 'Inar he's a real crowd pleaser
He's ever so good, is Inar Iversen.
Post by: bigmanbob on December 06, 2017, 04:29:41 AM
He's refined, sublime, he makes you feel fineThat sir, is a thing of beauty
Though very much maligned and misunderstood
But if you know 'Inar he's a real crowd pleaser
He's ever so good, is Inar Iversen.
Post by: Django on December 10, 2017, 11:51:44 PM
Post by: TheRam on December 11, 2017, 12:11:08 AM
McCarthy and Bolasie playing for the U-23s tomorrow
Boss.
About bolasie that is. McCarthy can fuck off
Post by: pjk on December 11, 2017, 12:12:12 AM
Boss.
About bolasie that is. McCarthy can fuck off
"Calm down"!
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 11, 2017, 07:03:48 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 11, 2017, 07:49:25 PM
Post by: GLewis on December 11, 2017, 08:02:15 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/940217502780583936
Decent finish but you could squeeze Russia through the two CBs.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 11, 2017, 08:13:45 PM
Winning 0-1 half time.Thought he showed some good glimpses the other night, he's only 17 aint he?
https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/940217502780583936
Decent finish but you could squeeze Russia through the two CBs.
Post by: Rhys on December 11, 2017, 08:15:51 PM
Thought he showed some good glimpses the other night, he's only 17 aint he?
18 a couple of months ago
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 11, 2017, 08:19:06 PM
18 a couple of months agoLooked a decent player, hope he progresses
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 11, 2017, 08:33:01 PM
Post by: pjk on December 11, 2017, 08:35:06 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 11, 2017, 09:16:38 PM
Bolaisie got 30mins
Post by: plumber on December 11, 2017, 09:30:34 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 11, 2017, 11:48:37 PM
Lost 2 1 despite being 1 up with 10 to go
Bolaisie got 30mins
Everton that.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 12, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Everton that.
not really, our under 23 team have scored lots and lots of late goals to win games and turn the matches around.
Post by: TheRam on December 13, 2017, 12:32:26 AM
Is that sack of shite injured again?
Post by: sam of the south on December 13, 2017, 12:52:06 AM
Winning 0-1 half time.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/940217502780583936
Decent finish but you could squeeze Russia through the two CBs.
He is such a dreamboat 😍
Post by: brap2 on December 13, 2017, 01:15:27 AM
He is such a dreamboat 😍
Unit on the sly isn’t he, massive
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 13, 2017, 01:24:32 AM
Don't recall McCarthy playing.
Is that sack of shite injured again?
Is there a more pointless player in the payroll?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 13, 2017, 01:33:29 AM
Is there a more pointless player in the payroll?
Jose Baxter?
Post by: gizzblue on December 13, 2017, 01:35:35 AM
Is there a more pointless player in the payroll?Stek ?.
Post by: sam of the south on December 13, 2017, 01:37:11 AM
Unit on the sly isn’t he, massive
So.
I've.
Heard.
:blush:
Post by: Goaljira on December 13, 2017, 01:48:28 AM
Stek ?.
Forgot he even existed. Must've subconciously assumed he left with Koeman.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 16, 2017, 04:23:06 AM
and apparently some one called McCarthy played 45 Min
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 17, 2017, 04:12:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM0lkLWAAAiFaX.jpg:large)
Post by: sam of the south on December 17, 2017, 04:23:01 AM
:love: :love: :love:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM0lkLWAAAiFaX.jpg:large)
I love Jonjoe's Scal Swag 💛
Post by: Jamokachi on December 17, 2017, 05:36:17 AM
Post by: Bally on December 17, 2017, 06:33:09 AM
:love: :love: :love:Why is mason Holgate doing an impression of Ashley Cole
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM0lkLWAAAiFaX.jpg:large)
Post by: brap2 on December 17, 2017, 08:42:20 AM
Lookman
Davies
Kenny
DCL
Mase
Post by: Bally on December 17, 2017, 11:44:00 AM
:love: :love: :love:Is it just me or do they all look photoshopped into that picture
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM0lkLWAAAiFaX.jpg:large)
Post by: Escla on December 17, 2017, 11:49:48 AM
Is it just me or do they all look photoshopped into that picture
When I look at that photo I think "class of 92" could be...could be...
(Bally-a fellow insomniac)
Post by: van der Meyde on December 17, 2017, 02:32:37 PM
Web ranking :Would swap Davies and Lookman, but otherwise I make you spot on.
Lookman
Davies
Kenny
DCL
Mase
Poor efforts from Dom and Mase.
Post by: TheRam on December 17, 2017, 03:48:07 PM
Web ranking :
Lookman
Davies
Kenny
DCL
Mase
Agreed.
Is that a pair of Stan Smiths Davies is rocking?
Post by: brap2 on December 17, 2017, 05:03:32 PM
Would swap Davies and Lookman, but otherwise I make you spot on.
Poor efforts from Dom and Mase.
I’m a sucker for a gum sole but I can see your point
Post by: van der Meyde on December 17, 2017, 05:07:08 PM
I’m a sucker for a gum sole but I can see your pointOh aye, same.
I'd always go for a plain pair of white trabs over a plain pair of black though.
Post by: van der Meyde on December 17, 2017, 05:08:31 PM
Agreed.Oh yes.
Is that a pair of Stan Smiths Davies is rocking?
Post by: gizzblue on December 17, 2017, 05:10:17 PM
Dom first, love a blue trab
Mase
Davies
Lookman
Kenny
Post by: howard1334 on December 17, 2017, 05:13:13 PM
:love: :love: :love:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM0lkLWAAAiFaX.jpg:large)
What is this for haha?
Also, I know he is not English and never played for the U23s, but if we are going by just age, where is Vlasic!
Post by: TheRam on December 17, 2017, 05:40:00 PM
What is this for haha?
Also, I know he is not English and never played for the U23s, but if we are going by just age, where is Vlasic!
This was done a while ago I think so he probably wasn't here.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 17, 2017, 06:30:28 PM
Web ranking :
Lookman
Davies
Kenny
DCL
Mase
thats probably how i would've rated them start of the season. now it would be
Kenny.
Holgate.
DCL
Davies
Lookman.
Vlasic would slot in behind Kenny, if not 1st place.
Post by: sam of the south on December 17, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
Why is mason Holgate doing an impression of Ashley Cole
You know what, I reckon that might be why they're cracking up 😃
Top marks, Mase, if so 👌🏼
Post by: Goaljira on December 17, 2017, 06:41:39 PM
Agreed.And they look like proper ones too, not the new ones that have Stan Smith written on them. Another case of 'those who know, understand. Those that don't, don't matter'.
Is that a pair of Stan Smiths Davies is rocking?
Post by: BlueForYou on December 17, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 17, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on December 18, 2017, 12:01:05 AM
Post by: gizzblue on December 18, 2017, 01:40:51 AM
And Hi-Tec SquashFucking throwbacks. ..😅
I wear hitec (Made) magnum Amazon work boots...but havnt had their trainers etc since a pair of hitec equipe footy boots 20 years back.
Cant beat the old hi tec silver shadow
Post by: ally2 on December 18, 2017, 01:45:53 AM
Post by: mikey_blue on December 18, 2017, 02:23:25 AM
Cant beat the old hi tec silver shadow
No longer standard issue in the military. Trying to run cross country in those fuckers was torture.
Post by: Lxxx on January 02, 2018, 11:11:42 PM
Post by: kramer0 on January 03, 2018, 12:04:07 AM
Barnsley have apparently made a £1m offer to buy Joe Williams who is on loan there. Anyone know much about the lad?
He looks like a good Championship DM, with around 5 tackles/interceptions per 90. Doesn't contribute much in attack but 1 dribble and 1 key pass per 90 suggest that he can do a little something. Probably has a chance of being PL quality but I think his path to ever playing for Everton is pretty well blocked with all of the pure DMs we have, Baningime included. It probably makes sense for him to move on, especially at a club where he's already doing well.
I'd be bothered more by Liam Walsh leaving permanently (there were rumours that Bristol City wanted to sign him in December). A good passer who dictates tempo is exactly what we need in the middle. We'd be better off finding a loan destination where he'll actually play. Or giving him the odd game when Rooney is out if we reach safety early enough.
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2018, 12:35:15 AM
He looks like a good Championship DM, with around 5 tackles/interceptions per 90. Doesn't contribute much in attack but 1 dribble and 1 key pass per 90 suggest that he can do a little something. Probably has a chance of being PL quality but I think his path to ever playing for Everton is pretty well blocked with all of the pure DMs we have, Baningime included. It probably makes sense for him to move on, especially at a club where he's already doing well.
I'd be bothered more by Liam Walsh leaving permanently (there were rumours that Bristol City wanted to sign him in December). A good passer who dictates tempo is exactly what we need in the middle. We'd be better off finding a loan destination where he'll actually play. Or giving him the odd game when Rooney is out if we reach safety early enough.
Seems to have quitened down a bit for Walsh. Didn’t blow the doors off it at Birmingham but not sure what shape they were in at that time...Redknapp was it?
Hasn’t been near the team when obviously a few others have even in the dead rubber, although he may have been on loan or injured? Not sure if he was recalled or injured.
Post by: kramer0 on January 03, 2018, 12:37:02 AM
Seems to have quitened down a bit for Walsh. Didn’t blow the doors off it at Birmingham but not sure what shape they were in at that time...Redknapp was it?
Hasn’t been near the team when obviously a few others have even in the dead rubber, although he may have been on loan or injured? Not sure if he was recalled or injured.
Birmingham are a mess and wanted experienced players so no surprise that he didn't play.
And he couldn't play in the dead rubber. Loan recalls can only go through during transfer windows now. The new loan rules do allow on-loan players to play for the parent club's U23s, though, which is why he came back earlier.
Post by: Lxxx on January 06, 2018, 12:12:08 AM
He looks like a good Championship DM, with around 5 tackles/interceptions per 90. Doesn't contribute much in attack but 1 dribble and 1 key pass per 90 suggest that he can do a little something. Probably has a chance of being PL quality but I think his path to ever playing for Everton is pretty well blocked with all of the pure DMs we have, Baningime included. It probably makes sense for him to move on, especially at a club where he's already doing well.
I'd be bothered more by Liam Walsh leaving permanently (there were rumours that Bristol City wanted to sign him in December). A good passer who dictates tempo is exactly what we need in the middle. We'd be better off finding a loan destination where he'll actually play. Or giving him the odd game when Rooney is out if we reach safety early enough.
Gone today.
Post by: Shogun on January 06, 2018, 01:30:02 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 11, 2018, 08:06:15 PM
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2018, 09:41:04 PM
Charsley gone to Bolton on loan for the rest of season....... Good move for the lad
Nice, think he quite often gets overlooked with the other talents we have but I think he’s a decent player. I back him to do well.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 11, 2018, 09:41:53 PM
Nice, think he quite often gets overlooked with the other talents we have but I think he’s a decent player. I back him to do well.Seems to be decent in various positions without really nailing down a position
Hope this goes well
Post by: Lxxx on January 11, 2018, 11:47:21 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 12, 2018, 12:19:25 AM
I see Brendon Galloway is possibly coming back from Sunderland. Makes sense to not be there but not sure what good he'll be here.Our u23s are struggling
Post by: Shogun on January 12, 2018, 12:20:38 AM
Charsley gone to Bolton on loan for the rest of season....... Good move for the lad
They seem to have done a really good job with Robinson
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 12, 2018, 12:24:31 AM
They seem to have done a really good job with RobinsonYeah, could be the start of a decent link up couldn't it
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 15, 2018, 09:14:12 PM
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 09:15:39 PM
Post by: kramer0 on January 15, 2018, 10:09:23 PM
I like Dowell but he doesn't stand a chance here.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 16, 2018, 11:44:06 PM
Scored 2 lovely goals against Spurs for the U23s the other day.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/953275790506029058
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 17, 2018, 04:33:57 AM
Anyone know much about Anthony Evans?
Im guessing hes welsh.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 17, 2018, 04:39:25 AM
Im guessing hes welsh.If kirkby has been moved over the border you'd be correct
Think he went out on loan last year, is well thought of from what I've read (bits and bobs mind you) let's hope he kicks on
Post by: TheRam on January 17, 2018, 05:09:41 AM
Anyone know much about Anthony Evans?
Scored 2 lovely goals against Spurs for the U23s the other day.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/953275790506029058
Good, technical player. Don't think he'll ever make it here, but can see him carving a decent enough career for himself.
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 05:55:31 AM
Could do with knowing if we have any ballers coming through and at what age.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 24, 2018, 12:35:53 AM
Post by: blueToffee on January 24, 2018, 12:45:53 AM
Colemams playing tonight
Just saw that, good luck to him.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 24, 2018, 01:11:36 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 24, 2018, 01:13:48 AM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 24, 2018, 01:15:21 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 24, 2018, 01:29:40 AM
Garbutt looking better than Cuco already .
It's a bit of a different level isn't it
Post by: Escla on January 24, 2018, 01:30:05 AM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 24, 2018, 01:34:11 AM
1 up
Post by: Juanito on January 24, 2018, 01:41:41 AM
I must be watching a different game ? Absolute shite what I’m seeing, walking around (both sides) occasional ping upfield, Garbutt absolutely shite.
How can I watch?
Post by: Gash on January 24, 2018, 01:43:13 AM
How can I watch?
Just search Everton on Youtube.
Post by: Escla on January 24, 2018, 01:44:55 AM
How can I watch?
Just go to the O.S and click on the link.
Post by: School of Science on January 24, 2018, 01:56:53 AM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 24, 2018, 02:07:16 AM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 24, 2018, 02:17:40 AM
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on January 24, 2018, 02:36:35 AM
Even Özil gets panned in England and he's probably one of the five best creative players in the world.
I like Dowell but he doesn't stand a chance here.
correct that - this annoys me about Everton fans, how quickly we judge and turn against some players, deeming them shite after hardly any time
Sandro - 13 Games - 480 minutes - shite
Klaassen - 10 Games - 435 minutes - shite
Bolasie - 18 games - 1,300 minutes borderline shite
the list can go on, why cant we give any a fair crack let the settle and get used to the country and/or league. Tosun probably hasnt got long before he's deemed shite for all eternity
Post by: sam of the south on January 24, 2018, 03:36:40 AM
Comfortable 60 mins from Seamus, looked pretty good considering the amount of time out
Brilliant 👌🏼
How did Garbutt look?
Post by: Lxxx on January 24, 2018, 03:41:07 AM
Brilliant 👌🏼
How did Garbutt look?
Coiffured.
Post by: sam of the south on January 24, 2018, 03:51:29 AM
Coiffured.
I don't doubt that.
How about his defending, crossing, pace, and positional play?
Post by: kewns23 on January 24, 2018, 07:13:20 AM
I don't doubt that.
How about his defending, crossing, pace, and positional play?
I only seen first half and he looked good
Getting in good space and one or two decent balls a few wild ones.
It’s hard to tell as the opposition was poor however I thinks it’s worth giving him ago... ironically West Brom would of been better than the games coming up
Post by: mikey_blue on January 24, 2018, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: Macca77 on January 24, 2018, 05:23:43 PM
Post by: Escla on January 24, 2018, 05:28:35 PM
Anyone else wince when they first saw that, steady on Seamus lad.
Exactly, great that he is clearly not afraid to go in though.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 24, 2018, 05:33:12 PM
Anyone else wince when they first saw that, steady on Seamus lad.Best thing that could have happened to him, an early tackle with no time to think
Some of our fans* would have fewmed** had he pulled out
*Mostly twitter bellends
** Twitter fume, it genuinely serves no puropse
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 24, 2018, 06:05:48 PM
I don't doubt that.Pretty much as @kewns23 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=530) says Sam really, personally he should be replacing Cuco, he took all the corners and never hit the first man, whipped some decent crosses in from open play that I'm sure Tosun or Walcott would latch on to, made runs and opened up space, ok I'm making him sound like a world beater, he isn't but he's better than what we have even if it was against shite opponents, he would give us far more balance and speed in attack down that side.
How about his defending, crossing, pace, and positional play?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 25, 2018, 05:13:18 AM
Post by: brap2 on January 25, 2018, 06:12:16 AM
Also really like worried and dreading it but yeah, a bit excited.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 25, 2018, 03:29:45 PM
Fuck it if garbutt is on the team sheet on Weds I will be a bit excited..I think it will certainly change the dynamics of the side, well if fucking should do!
Also really like worried and dreading it but yeah, a bit excited.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 26, 2018, 05:18:30 PM
Post by: Shogun on January 26, 2018, 06:58:32 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5314289/Evertons-Fraser-Hornby-solution-Toffees.html
I thought he was well off the standard in the Europa League tie.
Broadhead looked a better player.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 26, 2018, 07:50:00 PM
Nowhere near ready.
Post by: kramer0 on January 26, 2018, 09:40:26 PM
“Runs all day” isn't going to improve us at that position. Calvert-Lewin is the king of chasing lost causes.
What we really need is better service to the forwards from midfield and wide areas.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 30, 2018, 12:39:06 AM
Post by: TheRam on January 30, 2018, 01:43:10 AM
Mathis has joined Northampton on loan and strong rumours that unsworth will be next Oxford manager
That would be boss.
Post by: School of Science on January 30, 2018, 02:11:20 AM
I thought he was well off the standard in the Europa League tie.
Broadhead looked a better player.
Thought that myself, looked more dangerous in his cameo role, more skillfuller, more pace and movement. Watched the U 23's the other night he looked good in that to and again very quick.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 30, 2018, 03:37:01 AM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 30, 2018, 06:39:07 PM
Hornby and Sambou both scoring in the 2-1 win against Chelsea tonight.
Nice little double act flourishing yet again.
Post by: sam of the south on January 30, 2018, 06:43:12 PM
Nice little double act flourishing yet again.
Aww, Vaughan & Vic :hug:
Post by: Macca77 on February 03, 2018, 03:57:55 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 03, 2018, 03:59:53 AM
Unsworth off to OxfordGot 4s
Nice one
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 03, 2018, 09:07:36 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 05, 2018, 03:43:15 PM
Edit: I'm aware he's not one of ours anymore, just a funny vid.
Post by: bluestevie on February 06, 2018, 01:59:26 AM
Post by: Goaljira on February 06, 2018, 03:00:24 AM
Post by: brap2 on February 06, 2018, 04:56:14 AM
Post by: Gash on February 06, 2018, 05:01:44 AM
Funes mori getting 45 mins. Going off recent history he’s close to returning to action then.
Allardyce will say he's "a considerable way off" before starting him at the weekend.
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 05:03:33 AM
Be a laugh that.
Post by: brap2 on February 06, 2018, 05:06:59 AM
Get him in with mangala.
Be a laugh that.
Police Academy level stuff that
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 05:16:05 AM
Police Academy level stuff that
Haha.
I actually like Mori me. Maybe a bit blind to his faults though.
Out of the centre halves we have, I'd say he's probably one of the better ones.
Post by: Ravardo on February 06, 2018, 05:40:44 AM
Post by: brap2 on February 06, 2018, 05:59:22 AM
Haha.
I actually like Mori me. Maybe a bit blind to his faults though.
Out of the centre halves we have, I'd say he's probably one of the better ones.
Haha yeah he’s alright. Has some good qualities and does some stuff well. Wonder how his passing and moving through the lines compares to the others.
Would be an absolute caper that though.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on February 06, 2018, 02:52:02 PM
Post by: Macca77 on February 06, 2018, 02:54:31 PM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 06, 2018, 11:50:19 PM
Post by: Confucius on February 07, 2018, 12:14:52 AM
Post by: Lxxx on February 07, 2018, 12:17:35 AM
Post by: brap2 on February 07, 2018, 12:21:15 AM
I’d like to see us go three at the back before the end of the season with Williams, Mangala and Mori. Wouldn’t miss that for the world.
Big Sam would get hauled in for match fixing.
Post by: Goaljira on February 07, 2018, 02:19:21 AM
I’d like to see us go three at the back before the end of the season with Williams, Mangala and Mori. Wouldn’t miss that for the world.Home derby nailed on.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 07, 2018, 04:23:05 AM
Home derby nailed on.
We still have another derby to play?! 🤦♂️
Post by: Ravardo on February 07, 2018, 10:46:59 PM
Post by: gizzblue on February 07, 2018, 11:56:10 PM
Unsworth has knocked oxford backMight be needed here before the season is up .😅
Post by: Lincs Toffee on February 08, 2018, 12:12:23 AM
Might be needed here before the season is up .As soon as I heard this on the way home from work my first thought was ‘what does he know’
Post by: Alanvideo on February 08, 2018, 12:56:24 AM
Love Mori. Good player. better than what we have currently playing besides Holgate......................no he isn't . He's in the same category as Robles ,a walking disaster. Makes me nervous when his name is on the teamsheet.
Post by: Confucius on February 08, 2018, 01:00:27 AM
.....................no he isn't . He's in the same category as Robles ,a walking disaster. Makes me nervous when his name is on the teamsheet.
Having Jagielka, Williams, Keane, MArtina and Mangala fills you with so much confidence does it?
Post by: ajax_andy on February 08, 2018, 01:46:47 AM
Might be needed here before the season is up .😅
Thats exactly what my first thought was too 😂
Post by: Alanvideo on February 08, 2018, 01:50:43 AM
Having Jagielka, Williams, Keane, MArtina and Mangala fills you with so much confidence does it?............not exactly , but as bad as the above mentioned are ,bringing in a clown like Funes-Mori will just make matters worse.
Post by: Ridge on February 08, 2018, 03:31:50 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on February 08, 2018, 04:38:51 AM
As soon as I heard this on the way home from work my first thought was ‘what does he know’.............maybe Rhino didn't fancy moving to Oxford .He has a bit of form for not moving from the North ,didn't settle at West Ham , signed for Villa but said the commute was too long and never played. Got himself a move back to Everton.
Post by: Lxxx on February 08, 2018, 04:42:13 AM
.............maybe Rhino didn't fancy moving to Oxford .He has a bit of form for not moving from the North ,didn't settle at West Ham , signed for Villa but said the commute was too long and never played. Got himself a move back to Everton.
The Cotswolds aren’t really a shithole though.
Post by: brap2 on February 08, 2018, 04:22:16 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on February 09, 2018, 01:35:53 AM
Post by: brap2 on February 09, 2018, 01:58:16 PM
Oxford are a well run club with a decent budget for that level, by all accounts. Would’ve been a great opportunity. I’m sure how much more he can learn managing kids who are eager to impress him. He needs to manage a dressing room of senior professionals and all the dynamics that are involved.
Very disappointed.
Although I did see a rumour on oxford twitter that said ledson can’t stand him, and handed a transfer request in when he heard Unsworth was wanted, so maybe their board have flapped it at that.
Post by: Ridge on February 09, 2018, 11:36:48 PM
Very disappointed.
Although I did see a rumour on oxford twitter that said ledson can’t stand him, and handed a transfer request in when he heard Unsworth was wanted, so maybe their board have flapped it at that.
I'd read the idea was that it might keep Ledson at Oxford, as he had or was going to hand in a transfer request. :snigger:
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 10, 2018, 12:02:34 AM
Post by: School of Science on February 10, 2018, 11:25:18 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2018, 01:48:24 AM
On a good note our U18's stuffed Stevie me's Liverpool today 3-1 at Finch Farm. That puts us second in the league and as an added bonus that was Gerrards fourth defeat on the bounce ;DNow one point behind Man U with a game in hand... and play Utd next.
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2018, 01:50:14 AM
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/962303381380485120
Post by: Jamokachi on February 11, 2018, 05:08:20 AM
Post by: sam of the south on February 11, 2018, 05:12:18 AM
Nice goal by Tom Scully !
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/962303381380485120
Great commentary from down a tunnel, that
Post by: sam of the south on February 11, 2018, 05:16:26 AM
t
Love Kenny's gnashers 😁
He's such a lad 👌🏼
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2018, 05:04:26 PM
Nice goal by Tom Scully !
U18's player Tom Scully is the son of my work-mate and they are a great Evertonian family. They were absolutely buzzing that he scored and against the Reds who released him two years ago ! :snigger:
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 11, 2018, 05:24:40 PM
U18's player Tom Scully is the son of my work-mate and they are a great Evertonian family. They were absolutely buzzing that he scored and against the Reds who released him two years ago ! :snigger:He's highly rated on my version of fm
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2018, 11:00:48 PM
He's highly rated on my version of fm
Hopefully rightly so, especially as its coming up to the time of the decision whether he gets a pro-contract. Headlines like today wont do him any harm !
(https://i.imgur.com/vxVCv9X.jpg?1)
Post by: Macca77 on February 12, 2018, 07:44:21 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 12, 2018, 07:48:58 PM
Funes-Mori and Holgate both staring against Barnsley this afternoonHas Holgate been injured or is he dropped to the u23's?
Post by: Macca77 on February 12, 2018, 07:51:08 PM
Has Holgate been injured or is he dropped to the u23's?
Probably the latter, he hasn't featured much since the Derby game has he
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 12, 2018, 08:12:45 PM
Probably the latter, he hasn't featured much since the Derby game has he
he got dropped after WBA, cos Sam thinks Rondon bossed him.
Holgate made some vital tackles and interceptions in that match, a lesser everton centre back would have been made to pay by Rondon.
Post by: Lxxx on February 12, 2018, 09:19:42 PM
he got dropped after WBA, cos Sam thinks Rondon bossed him.
Holgate made some vital tackles and interceptions in that match, a lesser everton centre back would have been made to pay by Rondon.
Well Rondon is twice the size of him so not surprising a young defender had a tough time against an experienced grock of a striker. He did miss a couple of sitters like but it's no reason to send the lad to play with the kids.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on February 12, 2018, 09:24:12 PM
Funes-Mori and Holgate both staring against Barnsley this afternoonIs this being shown anywhere mate, last one was on FB wasn't it?
Post by: kramer0 on February 12, 2018, 09:28:43 PM
It's irresponsible, both short-term and long-term, to give minutes to Williams instead of Holgate.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 12, 2018, 09:41:41 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 12, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
I don't understand Allardyce's treatment of Holgate. It's an admittedly small sample size but he was our best defender during his run at CB and did nothing to warrant being dropped.
It's irresponsible, both short-term and long-term, to give minutes to Williams instead of Holgate.
He has to make sure that we are "mathmatically safe".......
Glad to hear rooney and Pickford come out in recent days and say they're aiming for 7th though.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 12, 2018, 09:58:17 PM
Post by: plumber on February 12, 2018, 10:14:22 PM
He has played 2 games in the prem under Koeman (both as RB), 2 under Unsworth and 7 under Allardyce.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 12, 2018, 10:18:42 PM
So now we are slagging off Big Fat Sam for freezing out poor little Holgate?
He has played 2 games in the prem under Koeman (both as RB), 2 under Unsworth and 7 under Allardyce.
They'll find fault with anything and everything. He's not been very good, granted none of our centre halves have but our manager is allowed to rate whoever he rates. It's not like holgate has done much to justify a place in the team
Post by: TheRam on February 12, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
So now we are slagging off Big Fat Sam for freezing out poor little Holgate?
He has played 2 games in the prem under Koeman (both as RB), 2 under Unsworth and 7 under Allardyce.
Yeah we are because he should at least be ahead of Ashley Williams in the pecking order.
He performed very well, yet hes now nowhere to be seen. Personally think it's a poor way to treat somebody who was performing to a good level.
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 12, 2018, 10:25:44 PM
They'll find fault with anything and everything.
hahhahahhhahahahaaha pot, kettle from the strangest moaner on the forum.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on February 12, 2018, 10:30:44 PM
see the u18 won the derby against gerrards RS 3-1
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 12, 2018, 10:39:21 PM
what score did we win,
see the u18 won the derby against gerrards RS 3-1
1-nil.
And yes, I believe that Holgate has been the best of a sorry lot at CB, in addition to our youngest. That combo means he should be starting at least almost every week, getting used to playing his natural position at the Prem level.
Preferably not next to Ashley Williams.
Post by: Macca77 on February 12, 2018, 10:41:14 PM
So now we are slagging off Big Fat Sam for freezing out poor little Holgate?
He has played 2 games in the prem under Koeman (both as RB), 2 under Unsworth and 7 under Allardyce.
Not slagging Sam off at all, Holgate is a far better player than Ashley Williams though
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 12, 2018, 11:14:08 PM
1-nil.
And yes, I believe that Holgate has been the best of a sorry lot at CB, in addition to our youngest. That combo means he should be starting at least almost every week, getting used to playing his natural position at the Prem level.
Preferably not next to Ashley Williams.
well you would think that, seeing as Sam Allardyce is saying this season is over and build towards next season, if he actually wants to do that, the youngsters need to fucking play. not players who the fans dont want to see, or who wont be playing week in week out next season. ( the Morgan Schneiderlins and Ashley Williams of this world)
Post by: Confucius on February 12, 2018, 11:17:24 PM
So now we are slagging off Big Fat Sam for freezing out poor little Holgate?
He has played 2 games in the prem under Koeman (both as RB), 2 under Unsworth and 7 under Allardyce.
But that is the point. Why drop a kid who has been your best Cb so far. Why destroy what should be our futures confidence all because your training analytics show that Williams headed the ball further than Holgate from a corner. Bunch of crap
Post by: Lxxx on February 12, 2018, 11:22:22 PM
well you would think that, seeing as Sam Allardyce is saying this season is over and build towards next season, if he actually wants to do that, the youngsters need to fucking play. not players who the fans dont want to see, or who wont be playing week in week out next season. ( the Morgan Schneiderlins and Ashley Williams of this world)
His whole approach seems very much geared towards making sure he gets his pay off in the summer by keeping us up. Zero risks and a £6m pension top up. Despite what he says his approach doesn't seem to be in accordance with him planning for the future, with his obsession with telling us we need to get to 40 points.
Post by: Goaljira on February 13, 2018, 12:06:03 AM
Clean sheet, Funes Mori and Holgate! Won me $275, as well.
You bet proper money on an Everton reserve game? Are you actually mad?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on February 13, 2018, 12:13:04 AM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 13, 2018, 12:17:46 AM
You bet proper money on an Everton reserve game? Are you actually mad?
For one, OF COURSE I am and I'm surprised you even have to ask.
For two, I clicked on the match in my Sportsbook, and they were paying out 2.75 to 1 odds (when the score was 0-0 in 35th minute), which seemed absurdly favourable to me. So I put down a hundred on us, what the fuck.
Is Barnsley's U23 side some kind of behemoth?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 13, 2018, 12:19:27 AM
Good to get Funes Mori back. Whether he’s good enough is subject to debate but he’s a £20m defender in this market.
I will give Allardyce a tip of my cap if he's actually being strategic and plans to play Holgate and Funes Mori together the last 6-8 weeks of the season.
Would bet heavily against that, though.
Post by: Shogun on February 13, 2018, 12:25:53 AM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 13, 2018, 12:29:06 AM
We really do have the biggest selection of average CBs going.
optimist!
Post by: Goaljira on February 13, 2018, 01:09:57 AM
For one, OF COURSE I am and I'm surprised you even have to ask.
For two, I clicked on the match in my Sportsbook, and they were paying out 2.75 to 1 odds (when the score was 0-0 in 35th minute), which seemed absurdly favourable to me. So I put down a hundred on us, what the fuck.
Is Barnsley's U23 side some kind of behemoth?
No idea if they are or aren't, but the fact you didnt either and risked $100 on it shows how crazy it was!
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 13, 2018, 01:26:39 AM
No idea if they are or aren't, but the fact you didnt either and risked $100 on it shows how crazy it was!
I am mad as a hatter, and 2.75 to 1 on the backs of FuMo and Mason, my inner maniac won out.
Been on a bit of a gambling rush from Saturday's college basketball anyway, so ride the wave and whatnot.
Post by: brap2 on February 21, 2018, 04:21:11 PM
Post by: sam of the south on February 21, 2018, 04:37:06 PM
I don't understand Allardyce's treatment of Holgate. It's an admittedly small sample size but he was our best defender during his run at CB and did nothing to warrant being dropped.
It's irresponsible, both short-term and long-term, to give minutes to Williams instead of Holgate.
I don’t think it’s about form.
I think it’s the fall-out and subsequent odd radio silence from the MSM regarding the Firmino incedent.
Either the club don’t believe Holgate, or Holgate is pissed off at the club for not rallying behind him, or the club have bowed to pressure to ‘rest’ Holgate whilst it all dies down.
It can’t be because Rondon nearly scored a couple.
Post by: Lxxx on February 21, 2018, 08:14:45 PM
Dowell panned again
The second half of this season was always going to tell us where he was in his development. Tough for a kid to keep up decent form for a full season in their first year.
Post by: brap2 on February 23, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
The second half of this season was always going to tell us where he was in his development. Tough for a kid to keep up decent form for a full season in their first year.
Yeah, dips happen at that age (any age I suppose). He’d get fucking mullered if he was playing for us and disappeared though. Too much burscough not enough, er, bootle?
Re holgate : wonder how he feels the clubs has treated him. Hope the club have stood by him and all that but a bit worried tbh. I like the look of him as a player.
Post by: Everton Mint on February 24, 2018, 04:31:41 PM
Live on MUTV (loads of streams & Mobdro).
COYBB !
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 24, 2018, 06:10:56 PM
Post by: Shogun on February 24, 2018, 06:34:31 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 25, 2018, 03:52:03 AM
On Dowell, it won’t help that he’s playing I’m a dreadful team
wtf happened to forest, 4 months ago they was on fire.
@Toddacelli (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432)
whats the inside scoop?
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 25, 2018, 03:52:42 AM
wtf happened to forest, 4 months ago they was on fire.Nah
@Toddacelli (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432)
whats the inside scoop?
They either won or lost
Went on a bad run, sacked the manager and now a struggling
Post by: Toddacelli on February 26, 2018, 08:11:12 PM
Nah
They either won or lost
Went on a bad run, sacked the manager and now a struggling
Exactly as @Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) says:
They didn't draw many and it was a bit 50/50 for a while but in their last 14 before their win this weekend it's W2 D4 L8. Their wins will keep them out of the relegation zone but it looks like their losses will keep them out of the top half of the table by the end of the season.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 28, 2018, 12:02:18 AM
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 12:05:41 AM
Hope he has a good game and is given a chance in the first team soon.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 12:21:50 AM
Davy Klaassen getting a run-out in tonights game against Swansea.
Hope he has a good game and is given a chance in the first team soon.
thank you for this.. going to try and find some streams. is it on everton fc?/youtube/twitter/facebook?
Post by: Everton Mint on March 06, 2018, 12:35:22 AM
Davy Klaassen getting a run-out in tonights game against Swansea.Poor sod wouldnt be able to show anything playing with that load of frauds.
Hope he has a good game and is given a chance in the first team soon.
Better for him if he just gets fit and finds a better team in the summer.
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 12:41:00 AM
thank you for this.. going to try and find some streams. is it on everton fc?/youtube/twitter/facebook?
Found this mate, hope it works.
https://www.swanseacity.com/news/live-tonight-everton-u23s-v-swans-u23s
Kick off is 7pm
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 12:42:46 AM
Found this mate, hope it works.
https://www.swanseacity.com/news/live-tonight-everton-u23s-v-swans-u23s
Kick off is 7pm
#Thankyou!
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 06, 2018, 01:08:59 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 01:18:27 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 06, 2018, 01:22:11 AM
Post by: Polledreng on March 06, 2018, 01:23:01 AM
what a goalAnd nice to see Klaassen celebrate with the kids
Post by: Alanvideo on March 06, 2018, 01:23:14 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 06, 2018, 01:24:14 AM
And nice to see Klaassen celebrate with the kids
Definitely. Really want him in the team. There is a class player in there.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 01:30:02 AM
whats going on with that Camera Angle.. who scored the goal? i didnt realize i missed the goal...
im sure it was 0-0 :S i only went to the loo and back!
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 01:31:33 AM
Post by: brap2 on March 06, 2018, 01:32:21 AM
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 01:35:31 AM
why is the sound so shit on the stream?
whats going on with that Camera Angle.. who scored the goal? i didnt realize i missed the goal...
im sure it was 0-0 :S i only went to the loo and back!
Anthony Evans scored the goal.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 01:38:26 AM
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 01:42:02 AM
our number 5 was lucky not to get sent off..
Looking at him - he reminded me a bit of Eddie Youds with his build.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 01:45:15 AM
the number 5 is Morgan Feeney?
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 01:47:22 AM
cant find a team sheet.. lol
the number 5 is Morgan Feeney?
Everton U23s: Mateusz Hewelt, Nathangelo Markelo, Lewis Gibson, Beni Baningime, Con Ouzounidis, Ramiro Funes Mori, Antony Evans (Capt), Davy Klaassen, Fraser Hornby, Bassala Sambou, Josh Bowler.
Subs: Joe Hilton, David Henen, Shayne Lavery, Conor Grant, Alex Denny.
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 01:48:09 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 01:48:47 AM
i guess its Lewis Gibson :D
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 02:08:42 AM
Post by: brap2 on March 06, 2018, 02:23:11 AM
cant find a team sheet.. lol
the number 5 is Morgan Feeney?
Nah he’s injured, it’s a fella with a Greek sounding name I think
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 06, 2018, 02:33:58 AM
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 02:37:48 AM
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 02:46:02 AM
Post by: Brownie on March 06, 2018, 02:49:55 AM
Post by: brap2 on March 06, 2018, 02:52:10 AM
How did Davy play?
Only saw the first half, but he was fairly tidy and fairly anonymous in equal measures.
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 02:53:35 AM
How did Davy play?
Thought he did ok, some nice touches and a couple of good interceptions.
The player who has impressed me is the right back Markelo.
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 06, 2018, 02:59:29 AM
Looking at him - he reminded me a bit of Eddie Youds with his build.That's a blast from the past
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 06, 2018, 03:00:20 AM
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 03:02:48 AM
That's a blast from the past
I am always amazed by how much useless information I have stored in my head.
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 03:04:09 AM
How did Beni play?
He was probably, the second best player for us for me. He tackled well and what I like about him, is that he has his head up when he has the ball and is always looking for a pass.
Post by: Lxxx on March 06, 2018, 04:15:14 AM
Will be interesting to see Henen, if he gets on.
Any particular reason for that?
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 06:06:15 AM
Any particular reason for that?
Basically, because I had never seen him play. As it turned out, he was only on for the end of the game and did not do much at all.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
Basically, because I had never seen him play. As it turned out, he was only on for the end of the game and did not do much at all.
when i've seen Henen earlier in the season,. he was pretty good, almost vital to the under 23 team... i think he was included in a Europa league squad due to his excellent for pre christmas.
Post by: Toffee1 on March 06, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
when i've seen Henen earlier in the season,. he was pretty good, almost vital to the under 23 team... i think he was included in a Europa league squad due to his excellent for pre christmas.
Cheers @SANA_DR0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6573) this was my first full U23 game and I was pleased to see the game and hopefully, players that will be our future. Have a heard a lot about Henen, but never seen him play.
As I posted earlier, I was impressed with Markelo and Beni and thought Davy and Funes played well.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 07, 2018, 12:00:14 AM
Cheers @SANA_DR0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6573) this was my first full U23 game and I was pleased to see the game and hopefully, players that will be our future. Have a heard a lot about Henen, but never seen him play.
As I posted earlier, I was impressed with Markelo and Beni and thought Davy and Funes played well.
I watched more under 23 at the start of the season... i watched the first half last night and a bit of the second.. but im drained from everton. the only thing that excites me now is the toxic home atmosphere.
and Niasse's smile.
Post by: Everton Mint on March 08, 2018, 10:25:37 PM
Today, just 4 of the current U18 squad were given a Pro contract with Everton.
Dont know who they are yet, but there will be very many disappointed lads being released.
It's a tough world.
Post by: stirlingblue on March 08, 2018, 10:34:12 PM
ITK info re Under-18's:
Today, just 4 of the current U18 squad were given a Pro contract with Everton.
Dont know who they are yet, but there will be very many disappointed lads being released.
It's a tough world.
Is that retention rate normal? It seems low but I can’t tell without context
Post by: Everton Mint on March 08, 2018, 10:37:33 PM
Is that retention rate normal? It seems low but I can’t tell without context
It is low but I think fairly normal as there is only one team to go into (U-23's) and already 4 year-groups of players ahead of them already there. Plus any others that have been bought in...
Post by: brap2 on March 08, 2018, 10:48:26 PM
Mampala
Duke-McKenna
Baxter
Ouzounidis
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 08, 2018, 11:01:08 PM
Post by: brap2 on March 08, 2018, 11:09:42 PM
How old is hornby
Shit there’s note pages here.. Alex Denny, Anthony Gordon and hornby are all 18s as well...
Doesn’t make sense this, these are supposed to be a good generation and are near the top of their league?
Post by: kramer0 on March 09, 2018, 12:39:10 AM
https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised (https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised)
Some choice quotes:
Quote
“The sanitisation of Academy football – everything played on a lovely pitch, on the grass – (has changed), so that when they go to League Two on loan and don’t see the ball for 10 minutes and say, ‘What’s going on here?’ they are ready because that’s English football at the lower levels so we have to prepare them for that."
Quote
“But we’ve also got players upfront who have got to learn to win headers, who have got to learn to win flick-ons, like in the real world, so if we play out from the back all the time these centre-forwards aren’t getting that work."
It seems regressive to develop players so they'll be comfortable in League Two if they go on loan. And to think of flick-ons as the "real world." It's only a reality for crap teams in England. Nobody who's actually good plays that route one garbage.
I know he mentions playing out from the back and going direct but really, there's no point bothering with the latter. Our academy players are never going to reach the level we need them at if half of their development time is spent learning crap football.
Post by: brap2 on March 09, 2018, 12:53:30 AM
In 1992
Post by: Goaljira on March 09, 2018, 01:31:24 AM
Not exactly on topic based on the previous few posts but I saw this a few weeks ago. It's not great, at least from my point-of view.
https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised (https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised)
Some choice quotes:
It seems regressive to develop players so they'll be comfortable in League Two if they go on loan. And to think of flick-ons as the "real world." It's only a reality for crap teams in England. Nobody who's actually good plays that route one garbage.
I know he mentions playing out from the back and going direct but really, there's no point bothering with the latter. Our academy players are never going to reach the level we need them at if half of their development time is spent learning crap football.
Catch-22 though, isnt it. English football is fucked for developing highest quality youth players, and the national team will always suffer for it.
Barring the wunderkids who are physically/technically able to go straight into the first team at 18, most will never develop to a higher level if no one will take them on loan because they're no good at playing lower league style football. And they'll never develop just staying in an academy not playing real football.
The only hope you've really got is loaning them out abroad, but without an official link to another club then it'll be hard as theyve got their own players to develop as maybe players from better teams from that country already more suited to the style?
So other than 'B' teams in the lower divisions or parent clubs who take groups of kids en masse then its not going to work, and that won't happen because it'd mean losing more established teams from the league or small clubs losing their 'identities'(Which is an absolutely understandable issue for their fans to have).
Like I said, fucked.
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 09, 2018, 02:22:10 AM
Post by: Gash on March 09, 2018, 04:25:02 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-defender-tyias-browning-miss-14385296
I read as far as Darron Gibson being injured (again) then couldn't be bothered with the Echo's adverts slowing my computer down to a stop.
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 09, 2018, 04:44:30 AM
I read as far as Darron Gibson being injured (again) then couldn't be bothered with the Echo's adverts slowing my computer down to a stop.Browning out injured. Again.
Post by: van der Meyde on March 09, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I know he mentions playing out from the back and going direct but really, there's no point bothering with the latter. Our academy players are never going to reach the level we need them at if half of their development time is spent learning crap football.We need to get players ready for first team football.
If we're going to appoint managers like Koeman and Allardyce, then frankly this is an excellent approach...
Post by: Polledreng on March 09, 2018, 08:27:06 PM
We need to get players ready for first team football.Hope we will stop appointing managers like Ronald and Sam
If we're going to appoint managers like Koeman and Allardyce, then frankly this is an excellent approach...
Post by: Everton Mint on March 11, 2018, 03:44:37 AM
Many more of these lads could make it at Everton but for the fact that we, like the rest of the PL, need instant results and are buying in the finished article from all over the world.
Post by: Toffee1 on March 11, 2018, 06:25:52 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-news-transfer-rumours-live-14395519
Post by: Everton Mint on March 28, 2018, 04:39:41 PM
More info when if/when he accepts...
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 28, 2018, 05:28:37 PM
If you watch the U-18's they play some excellent football. The skill, intensity and speed of the games is quite amazing.
Many more of these lads could make it at Everton but for the fact that we, like the rest of the PL, need instant results and are buying in the finished article from all over the world.
If we are buying the finished article how come they need a season to acclimatise prove unsuited to the league ? At least you know most of your U23 side are suited to the league but unless you play them you won't know . Holgate , Davies and Kenny are well capable of covering and in time being first choice .
Post by: Everton Mint on March 29, 2018, 12:46:41 AM
If we are buying the finished article how come they need a season to acclimatise prove unsuited to the league ? At least you know most of your U23 side are suited to the league but unless you play them you won't know . Holgate , Davies and Kenny are well capable of covering and in time being first choice .It has only been Davies that had cemented a place in the team. Others are just covering as you say and as soon as the injured player is fit they are out again.
The other issue, as ever, is experience. Young players can be good enough physically and technically but they dont have the games of an older player. This is what limits a lot of their chances. The fact that Everton have been struggling as a team anyway makes their involvement even less likely.
To be fair we do give more chances than most but the queue of players ahead of the kids is always going to be an issue.
The lad I know isnt so bothered about leaving Everton as he wants and needs games. His chances here would be very limited.
Post by: brap2 on March 29, 2018, 01:37:49 AM
Post by: Bally on March 29, 2018, 01:30:30 PM
What position roughly does he play @Everton Mint (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3381)Reverse cowgirl
Post by: Everton Mint on March 31, 2018, 07:34:00 PM
What position roughly does he play @Everton Mint (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3381)Centre-mid.
He's back at Everton for now after scoring in his trial game.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 01, 2018, 07:37:23 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 01, 2018, 11:16:24 PM
Post by: brap2 on April 08, 2018, 08:52:59 PM
Did brilliantly when he came on, but when he gets a chance to finish the game he tries to finesse it into the side netting when really he should just make sure and bury it.
I don’t think he’s a bad finisher - I think he’s affected heavily by overthinking his decisions in game. Not instinctual, every finish looks training ground to me, rather than a hungry reflex.
Hopefully will improve with guidance but will be a real sign of lack of progress if our options up top next year are as weak as they have been this year.
Post by: gizzblue on April 08, 2018, 10:02:13 PM
Post by: kramer0 on April 08, 2018, 10:28:23 PM
This is why, despite uncertainty about how good they can actually be, I'd have had Holgate, Davies, and Calvert-Lewin playing as many minutes as possible in the second half of this season. Those three rarely look out of place when called into action against senior pros. I think you need to invest minutes in young players like that, especially when you're not competing for anything. That's a big part of how you find the Kanes, Allis, and Rashfords of the world.
Post by: Confucius on April 08, 2018, 11:24:20 PM
There's only so much young players can improve without playing.
This is why, despite uncertainty about how good they can actually be, I'd have had Holgate, Davies, and Calvert-Lewin playing as many minutes as possible in the second half of this season. Those three rarely look out of place when called into action against senior pros. I think you need to invest minutes in young players like that, especially when you're not competing for anything. That's a big part of how you find the Kanes, Allis, and Rashfords of the world.
They have to be able to hit the target from 6 yards out and not miss by about 10 with the goal at their mercy. He literally can’t score no matter how easy the chance.
Post by: brap2 on April 08, 2018, 11:52:14 PM
There's only so much young players can improve without playing.
This is why, despite uncertainty about how good they can actually be, I'd have had Holgate, Davies, and Calvert-Lewin playing as many minutes as possible in the second half of this season. Those three rarely look out of place when called into action against senior pros. I think you need to invest minutes in young players like that, especially when you're not competing for anything. That's a big part of how you find the Kanes, Allis, and Rashfords of the world.
I agree. Nothing to be gained by wasting minutes on finished players.
Do not agree with @Confucius (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) - he’s scored this year so that’s not literally true is it. It’s definitely a gap in his game but it’s nothing to write him off over just yet.
Post by: TheRam on April 09, 2018, 12:34:04 AM
I agree. Nothing to be gained by wasting minutes on finished players.
Do not agree with @Confucius (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) - he’s scored this year so that’s not literally true is it. It’s definitely a gap in his game but it’s nothing to write him off over just yet.
People seem desperate to write him off.
Even when he only just broke into the team people were saying he offers nothing.
He's improved massively over the last 12 months and I expect that to continue.
He missed a sitter, yes, but no need to be writing him off.
Post by: Silas on April 09, 2018, 12:42:12 AM
Post by: Shogun on April 09, 2018, 12:42:17 AM
Especially considering this has been an ultra negative campaign in terms of performances, style and results.
Kane only made 10 league appearances by the time he was 21 and scored 3 goals with 0 assists.
Does that mean DCL will be better than Kane? Obviously not. It does show he's actually progressing quite well though.
Edit: He's also got incredible abs.
Post by: cantoffee on April 09, 2018, 12:46:00 AM
Post by: Silas on April 09, 2018, 12:46:16 AM
4 goals and 6 assists in 31 league matches (18 starts) when he's only just turned 21 is alright.
Especially considering this has been an ultra negative campaign in terms of performances, style and results.
Kane only made 10 league appearances by the time he was 21 and scored 3 goals with 0 assists.
Does that mean DCL will be better than Kane? Obviously not. It does show he's actually progressing quite well though.
Edit: He's also got incredible abs.
I've got incredible IBS but you don't see anyone banging on about it.
Post by: Goaljira on April 09, 2018, 12:53:09 AM
Give him a chance.
Post by: TheBlackWatchFanzine on April 09, 2018, 01:39:12 AM
DCL should be early cup rounds starter and last twenty mins only till he improves .
I agree - he's done well this season at times, give the circumstances, and I thought he did ok when he came on yesterday, but it's a damning indictment of our player recruitment that he's had to play as many games as he has given his inexperience.
Post by: Ridge on April 09, 2018, 04:49:08 AM
A better manager would have worked with him individually and improved him far more. Younger coaches are far more likely to customise development.
Post by: Confucius on April 09, 2018, 12:13:34 PM
Post by: howard1334 on April 10, 2018, 12:51:47 AM
4 goals and 6 assists in 31 league matches (18 starts) when he's only just turned 21 is alright.
Especially considering this has been an ultra negative campaign in terms of performances, style and results.
Kane only made 10 league appearances by the time he was 21 and scored 3 goals with 0 assists.
Does that mean DCL will be better than Kane? Obviously not. It does show he's actually progressing quite well though.
Edit: He's also got incredible abs.
While I am a bit of a stat head myself, in this case, I think the stats are actually misleading -- making it seem as though DCL has performed better than he actually has. I am not as confident as others that he will be progressing.
Post by: Toffee1 on April 10, 2018, 01:00:40 AM
Post by: Shogun on April 10, 2018, 01:04:35 AM
While I am a bit of a stat head myself, in this case, I think the stats are actually misleading -- making it seem as though DCL has performed better than he actually has. I am not as confident as others that he will be progressing.
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
He’s had a solid season in what has been an absolute mess of a season in years.
Personally think he’ll become a really good player under an ambitious manager.
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 10, 2018, 01:23:12 AM
Lies, damned lies and statistics.I'm starting to think his versatility will be his down fall
He's had a solid season in what has been an absolute mess of a season in years.
Personally think he'll become a really good player under an ambitious manager.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 10, 2018, 01:42:06 AM
Post by: Silas on April 10, 2018, 01:47:07 AM
I'm starting to think his versatility will be his down fall
Shades of Anichebe
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2018, 02:00:57 AM
All good points. He just fails to even get close with most of his shooting. Even Cenk’s 1st goal of the brace he scored was because DCL missed an absolute sitter. You can’t teach a striker to score. It’s natural and instinctive. He just doesn’t have it. Will be very good at everything else besides his most important job.
I think that's the key though isn't it. He's not a striker really, he's more of a forward player who sometimes gets in and around the box and will bag a goal every now and then.
He's just not the player Kane is as when he was coming through he got dogs abuse from shooting miserably from anywhere and got shunted down the leagues to hopefully refine it, which he did. DCL has good technique, athletic physique, a willing runner but you won't find him in and around the area looking like he's desperate to get on the scoresheet. Maybe it'll come with time and experience.
Post by: Confucius on April 10, 2018, 02:16:13 AM
I think that's the key though isn't it. He's not a striker really, he's more of a forward player who sometimes gets in and around the box and will bag a goal every now and then.
He's just not the player Kane is as when he was coming through he got dogs abuse from shooting miserably from anywhere and got shunted down the leagues to hopefully refine it, which he did. DCL has good technique, athletic physique, a willing runner but you won't find him in and around the area looking like he's desperate to get on the scoresheet. Maybe it'll come with time and experience.
What’s the point then? A forward player who plays like a defensive midfielder but can’t play midfielder.
He needs to add goals to his game. Otherwise he won’t make it as a premier league player.
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 10, 2018, 02:21:46 AM
Shades of AnichebeWithout being made of paper mache
Post by: GLewis on April 10, 2018, 02:31:58 AM
How’s Lookman doing at RBL? He getting much game time?
On the bench tonight.
Think after the first few games that’s what he’s been limited to, although that’s more than he might have got here...
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 10, 2018, 02:36:15 AM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 10, 2018, 02:59:38 AM
Was absolutely the wrong move for lookman you go on loan to get minutes. Been a wasted opportunity for him.
Only himself to blame. Silly sod.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 10, 2018, 03:00:50 AM
Only himself to blame. Silly sod.
There’s ambition then there’s delusion. He should have gone and dominated the championship rather than not played for a quality side.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 10, 2018, 03:03:07 AM
Post by: TheRam on April 10, 2018, 03:40:43 AM
Not much he could've learnt in the championship that he doesn't already know.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 10, 2018, 03:46:13 AM
Good on him for wanting to test himself in a foreign league at his age.
Not much he could've learnt in the championship that he doesn't already know.
They go on loan to get minutes. He needed to pick a side he'd have a bigger role for. It was pretty much tied on that wouldn't happen with this move.
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2018, 04:08:37 AM
He’s been involved in 6 of the 8 league games they’ve had since he got there.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 10, 2018, 04:13:38 AM
He’s got more league minutes for RB Leipzig this season than he has for us.
He’s been involved in 6 of the 8 league games they’ve had since he got there.
Granted but I'd rather have seen him playing a vital role at a championship club rather than stay here or be in Germany
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2018, 04:20:35 AM
Granted but I'd rather have seen him playing a vital role at a championship club rather than stay here or be in Germany
He’s getting “minutes” like you say you wanted him to get but at a much higher standard than the one you believe he should be playing at while surrounded by better players and learning from better coaches.
You’re making out like he’s sat on his arse eating a bratwurst every game.
Post by: TheRam on April 10, 2018, 04:21:27 AM
What's gone on with him?
We also lost 4-0 to West Ham.
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2018, 04:23:29 AM
Good on him for wanting to test himself in a foreign league at his age.He's never played in the championship. He's hardly played in the Premier League. All his experience has been at a lower level, he needs to start racking up some minutes somewhere soon if he's going to have a crack at a decent career.
Not much he could've learnt in the championship that he doesn't already know.
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2018, 04:27:58 AM
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
He’s had a solid season in what has been an absolute mess of a season in years.
Personally think he’ll become a really good player under an ambitious manager.
Tall, fast, good technique.
I think he’ll be absolutely fine, with a slim chance of being very good.
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 10, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
He's never played in the championship. He's hardly played in the Premier League. All his experience has been at a lower level, he needs to start racking up some minutes somewhere soon if he's going to have a crack at a decent career.
He did play almost a full season in the Championship in 2015-16. If he was at Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool, he'd been involved in the first team nearly every week. He'll have a great career. Whether that's here or somewhere else is another matter.
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 21, 2018, 04:54:08 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-u23s-player-ratings-vs-14558289
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 21, 2018, 09:23:45 PM
Post by: Toffee1 on May 31, 2018, 12:21:51 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 31, 2018, 12:27:43 AM
https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2018/may/30052018-richie-wellens-on-jose-baxter-agreeing-terms/
Good for him. Hopefully hes ready to make a real go of his career now
Post by: Toffee1 on July 11, 2018, 09:59:27 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2018, 10:34:46 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 12, 2018, 12:56:48 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1017032771766751232
Doctor, Burger flipper, farmer and now EFC pro well done @Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196)
Post by: Confucius on July 12, 2018, 01:08:12 AM
Doctor, Burger flipper, farmer and now EFC pro well done @Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196)
Don’t forget bullshitter
Does look like a cousin of mine.
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 15, 2018, 02:26:16 PM
Post by: Bally on August 15, 2018, 02:39:05 PM
Beni meant to be off to Wigan on loan as well nowProbably do him good to be playing every week ,gutted if he doesn't make it here
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 15, 2018, 02:51:37 PM
Probably do him good to be playing every week ,gutted if he doesn't make it hereDefo mate
Good to have a link with a local club as well
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 15, 2018, 02:51:44 PM
Post by: brap2 on August 15, 2018, 02:58:35 PM
He looks a good player but not that much on the ball showed so far. Will be interesting to see how he gets on!
Post by: Lxxx on August 15, 2018, 03:11:00 PM
Post by: Escla on August 15, 2018, 03:38:32 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 15, 2018, 03:42:43 PM
Post by: DanDan on September 25, 2018, 05:20:41 PM
Post by: Alanvideo on September 26, 2018, 01:57:43 AM
Post by: DanDan on September 26, 2018, 03:11:01 AM
Post by: DanDan on September 26, 2018, 03:15:12 AM
Post by: DanDan on September 26, 2018, 03:23:16 AM
Post by: DanDan on September 26, 2018, 03:34:03 AM
Post by: Shogun on September 26, 2018, 03:57:10 AM
1 nil up Sambou
Evans sent off
1-1 they equalised in injury time so goes to penalties
Lost 6-5 on pens
Everton that
Post by: Toddacelli on September 26, 2018, 04:24:34 PM
Not exactly on topic based on the previous few posts but I saw this a few weeks ago. It's not great, at least from my point-of view.
https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised (https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised)
Some choice quotes:
It seems regressive to develop players so they'll be comfortable in League Two if they go on loan. And to think of flick-ons as the "real world." It's only a reality for crap teams in England. Nobody who's actually good plays that route one garbage.
I know he mentions playing out from the back and going direct but really, there's no point bothering with the latter. Our academy players are never going to reach the level we need them at if half of their development time is spent learning crap football.
Fuck me that's grim reading. CB's - "They've got to head it, block it, kick it - then if they can play, great."
Well... as long as they can "kick it" FFS!
I don't agree with this at all. Coach good football and with it good decision-making. A good footballer will know when to do something basic and when he can and should play it. Someone who has only ever been told "When in doubt, kick it out" will be looking for row Z every time which is just giving the opposition the ball back.
If you have a player who is coached to be good in the air and direct a header, then they can find space with a flick-on as easily as they can find the net. They don't need to be coached flick-on's for flick-on's sake. If they've been coached good decision-making, when the time comes for one they will be fine.
This is so anti-football. To be putting this into kids so young is very, very disappointing and I'm not surprised so few U18's have been kept on. The question is - have we let them down by doing this? Have we missed out on a potentially decent player? Have we potentially fucked up someone's career?
Post by: Gash on September 29, 2018, 12:09:32 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-arrange-heart-warming-day-15211266
Post by: gizzblue on September 29, 2018, 12:21:26 AM
Love this kind of thing. Photo with the first team then lunch and training with U23's.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-arrange-heart-warming-day-15211266
Love our club, for stuff like this we excel .
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on September 29, 2018, 02:41:52 AM
Post by: brap2 on October 02, 2018, 04:01:37 PM
Apparently josh bowler is looking like he’s kicked on a bit this year - hope he can one day step up, we don’t produce a great deal of attacking players.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 03, 2018, 12:08:26 AM
And should be full steam ahead for Hornby
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 15, 2018, 10:13:15 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 16, 2018, 12:02:17 AM
Post by: Toffee1 on October 16, 2018, 12:17:40 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 16, 2018, 12:19:18 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 28, 2018, 02:05:53 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 29, 2018, 06:03:35 PM
Dowell looks to have stagnated tho ;/
Post by: Simon Paul on October 30, 2018, 09:06:29 PM
Ellis Simms looks a bit of a beast like!
https://twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/1057286802933989376
Post by: DanDan on October 30, 2018, 10:33:01 PM
Then on Friday night playing at Crawley's ground against Brighton. Just down the road from me so will probably pop along
Post by: Ramjam on October 31, 2018, 04:45:51 AM
Under 23s are playing away at Oldham tonight in the EFL trophyAre you sure it isn’t the under 21’s
Then on Friday night playing at Crawley's ground against Brighton. Just down the road from me so will probably pop along
Post by: DanDan on October 31, 2018, 04:50:23 PM
Are you sure it isn’t the under 21’s
Same thing
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2018, 06:45:51 PM
He looked awful.
Post by: DanDan on October 31, 2018, 07:18:02 PM
Who was the keeper last night?
He looked awful.
Hewelt
Everton U21
Hewelt, Browning, Charsley, Adediran, Sambou, Feeney ©, Broadhead, Markelo (Simms 75’), Gordon (Kiersey 58’), Lavery (Bowler 58’), John
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2018, 07:28:55 PM
Hewelt
Everton U21
Hewelt, Browning, Charsley, Adediran, Sambou, Feeney ©, Broadhead, Markelo (Simms 75’), Gordon (Kiersey 58’), Lavery (Bowler 58’), John
Wonde if any of these will make it?
Apparently Sambou’s deal is up this year?
Bowler was signed for real money but feels miles off first team.
Same for Markelo and Adeniran, but I have some hopes for both.
Gordon / Lavery / Charsley / Feeney - all been with us years but not too close to first team either.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 02, 2018, 02:53:33 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 02, 2018, 03:12:41 AM
Lost the u18 Derby 4-3. After coming back from 3-1 down to 3-3. Shite scored in the last minuteStandard
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2018, 03:24:49 AM
Lost the u18 Derby 4-3. After coming back from 3-1 down to 3-3. Shite scored in the last minute
Destined for the first team them boys.
Post by: BlueForYou on November 03, 2018, 06:28:44 PM
Ryan Rollin' Astley, just turned 17, securing his place at centre back and already in line for full Wales call up - whenever they need somebody....................
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2018, 10:06:34 PM
Beat Brighton 2-1 to stay top
Ryan Rollin' Astley, just turned 17, securing his place at centre back and already in line for full Wales call up - whenever they need somebody....................
He’s already better than Williams, surely
Post by: BlueForYou on November 10, 2018, 02:31:20 PM
Netted the winner last night
Can't be far off fourth choice centre back, ahead of Jags and Holgate
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 10, 2018, 05:51:53 PM
'Rum roll..................Captain Morgan Feeney isHe is behind both of them
Netted the winner last night
Can't be far off fourth choice centre back, ahead of Jags and Holgate
Post by: TheRam on November 10, 2018, 06:15:19 PM
Even for the under 23s he doesn’t stand out.
Will never make it here.
Post by: brap2 on November 10, 2018, 06:34:45 PM
Post by: TheRam on November 10, 2018, 06:41:25 PM
Gibson, Foulds, Astley
Sessions
Post by: Bluedylan on November 10, 2018, 07:15:00 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 10, 2018, 11:19:43 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/1061297662903902209
Post by: brap2 on November 10, 2018, 11:53:01 PM
Post by: Robioto on November 11, 2018, 12:15:00 AM
Post by: Shogun on November 11, 2018, 12:19:54 AM
Post by: Simon Paul on November 11, 2018, 12:31:30 AM
Simms needs moving up a level clearlyTwitter said no last week. Sorry.
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2018, 06:13:03 AM
Twitter said no last week. Sorry.
He said up a level.
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2018, 04:31:22 PM
Superb youth record and apparently a big talent. Looked good the other week. Let’s keep him!
Post by: TheRam on November 25, 2018, 04:36:36 PM
I see Dortmund and Bayern are after young Anthony Gordon.
Superb youth record and apparently a big talent. Looked good the other week. Let’s keep him!
He wants Unsworth gone.
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2018, 05:13:11 PM
He wants Unsworth gone.
Who, Gordon?
Not the first like.
Post by: Trowel on November 25, 2018, 05:55:11 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 25, 2018, 08:21:55 PM
Post by: Shogun on November 25, 2018, 08:24:10 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 25, 2018, 10:00:30 PM
Post by: van der Meyde on November 26, 2018, 01:07:16 AM
Who, Gordon?What's the issue they have with him? Anyone know?
Not the first like.
Post by: brap2 on November 26, 2018, 06:01:28 AM
What's the issue they have with him? Anyone know?
Not sure. I know green hates him. I’m sure Barkley had a falling out with him.
I heard that when Brewster was with us someone came in to loan him and Unsworth said no, because he wanted him for the U23 league push.
Brewster ended up leaving Everton without a deal.
Personally I think he seems like a lovely man and is Everton through and through. But I’ve no doubt his name is down in marcels book.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 27, 2018, 01:11:18 AM
Not sure. I know green hates him. I’m sure Barkley had a falling out with him.
I heard that when Brewster was with us someone came in to loan him and Unsworth said no, because he wanted him for the U23 league push.
Brewster ended up leaving Everton without a deal.
Personally I think he seems like a lovely man and is Everton through and through. But I’ve no doubt his name is down in marcels book.
Didn’t Ledson talk the Oxford gang out of seriously considering him for the job?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 27, 2018, 01:37:44 AM
Post by: Lxxx on November 27, 2018, 04:32:24 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 27, 2018, 06:32:27 PM
Are there any genuine prospects in the U-23's now that look as if they're 12-18 months away from pushing on or did we clear them out recently when we took Davies, Lookman, DCL and Kenny? I won't include Dowell or Holgate in that as they're past U-23 level but not good enough for our first team and will both probably move on.Think Holgate still has a chance
The lad Gordon is meant to be decent, Williams is out on loan, meant to be rated highly, Honrby too and theres a lad in th 18s smashing them in
Post by: Lxxx on November 27, 2018, 06:54:07 PM
Think Holgate still has a chance
The lad Gordon is meant to be decent, Williams is out on loan, meant to be rated highly, Honrby too and theres a lad in th 18s smashing them in
We've been waiting for Holgate to kick on for 18 months now and he still has the physique of a kid and hasn't improved his play. Needs to play every week somewhere to see if he does have it within him.
Post by: Toddacelli on November 27, 2018, 07:14:25 PM
Post by: TheRam on November 27, 2018, 07:53:07 PM
Never making it here.
Post by: Bluedylan on November 27, 2018, 07:55:26 PM
Sell Holgate for 10mil.
Never making it here.
Silva even said in his presser the other day when talking about the difficulties in choosing between Zouma/Mina/Keane ''and not forgetting the other two, Jags and Mason'', like he had pretty much forgotten them as viable first team options.
I agree. He's not making it here.
Post by: BlueForYou on November 28, 2018, 01:32:21 AM
Three 17 year olds next in line: Anthony Gordon, Ryan Astley & Kyle John
Hornby trains well
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 28, 2018, 01:39:50 AM
Post by: brap2 on November 28, 2018, 02:04:27 AM
Think we’ve got a decent crop still with us who we will have to see about.
Anthony Gordon, Nathangelo Markelo, Dennis Adeniran, Lewis Gibson, This Kyle kid who played in the Sport Pesa, Con Ouzounidis, Manasse Mampala..
Obviously Williams is out on loan still but is the only loaned out academy product who maybe has a chance I think? Basing that off the reports Silva liked him rather than his performances.
Antonee Robinson too I suppose, injured til the new year now.
The keeper Virginia is apparently rated.
Shame Bowler hasn’t kicked on. Shades of Matty Kennedy there I suppose.
Post by: Goaljira on November 28, 2018, 03:40:45 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on November 28, 2018, 02:04:59 PM
Everyone's forgetting Beni.
Was just going to say that I was hoping to see more of him. Could be the natural successor to Gueye - but there's a lot of development required in between here and there.
Post by: Shogun on November 28, 2018, 07:23:28 PM
Bournemouth can buy him as their Ake replacement.
Think we’ve got a decent crop still with us who we will have to see about.
Anthony Gordon, Nathangelo Markelo, Dennis Adeniran, Lewis Gibson, This Kyle kid who played in the Sport Pesa, Con Ouzounidis, Manasse Mampala..
Obviously Williams is out on loan still but is the only loaned out academy product who maybe has a chance I think? Basing that off the reports Silva liked him rather than his performances.
Antonee Robinson too I suppose, injured til the new year now.
The keeper Virginia is apparently rated.
Shame Bowler hasn’t kicked on. Shades of Matty Kennedy there I suppose.
Has Virginia ever been in our U23s?
Seems like we're building up for him to be our number 1 in the future.
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 04, 2018, 11:45:27 PM
https://twitter.com/TrevorMcKinlay/status/1069968541686923274
Post by: D15TIN on December 04, 2018, 11:50:03 PM
more kids .....Up the Tapper Uppers!!
https://twitter.com/TrevorMcKinlay/status/1069968541686923274
Seriously though all of our younger teams seem to boss every league haha
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 13, 2018, 12:34:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1072920317243351041
Post by: Alanvideo on December 13, 2018, 01:42:53 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on December 14, 2018, 02:07:40 PM
Still on the OS, I was impressed by his appearances in the first team and his write-up seems to be exactly the right type of character a young pro should aspire to have:
"At the end of the 2016/17 campaign, he scooped the prestigious Keith Tamlin award, named after the Club’s Vice Life President, for his excellence, attitude and application during their time spent in the Academy."
On a side note - 'Vice-Life President sounds gangster AF lolol
Post by: Hawkandro on December 14, 2018, 09:37:47 PM
Where the hell is Beni?
Been injured.
Post by: Toddacelli on December 14, 2018, 09:45:54 PM
Been injured.
Thanks again for the info about Beni Beeninjuredinagame :)
Hope he's back soon!
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2018, 08:06:04 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonLadies/status/1074302198933270529
Post by: BlueForYou on January 16, 2019, 12:57:01 AM
On time for the Lions Den
Post by: Alanvideo on January 16, 2019, 01:20:54 AM
Post by: TheRam on January 16, 2019, 01:24:21 AM
Silva has said he’s in his plans and will be in the first team next season.
Interesting to see how this pans out.
Maybe part of the midfield revamp?
Post by: BlueForYou on January 16, 2019, 01:34:08 AM
6)Williams
7)Gomes 11)Vlasic
10)Sigurdsson
Don't know, could work
Post by: Alanvideo on January 16, 2019, 01:39:09 AM
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2019, 01:46:08 AM
Gibson has been rated for ages.
I like the look of Adeniran when I’ve seen him.
It would be nice to produce an attacking player, Anthony Gordon will be good I think. But young wingers / attacking players tend to drop off sharply don’t they, end up down the leagues etc.
Hornby I’ve got in my head that he’s a big meat head but apparently used to play midfield so might be good on the sly.
Post by: kramer0 on January 16, 2019, 02:00:18 AM
My hope is that Brands has some ideas for how we can actually develop talented players when they don't hit the ground running or stumble somewhere else along the way (i.e almost every young player).
Post by: BlueForYou on January 16, 2019, 02:45:00 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 16, 2019, 03:03:30 AM
The cynic in me says there's only one path to future stardom for these players and it's setting the world on fire from day one like Rooney.
My hope is that Brands has some ideas for how we can actually develop talented players when they don't hit the ground running or stumble somewhere else along the way (i.e almost every young player).
Surely a good move is to let the 1s who aren’t quite good enough go quickly and cheaply with big sell on clauses and low buy backs. Let them settle elsewhere and get on with their careers with the insurance we can take our profit down the line if they make it
The situation with Pennington is very odd. He just signs contracts with little hope of doing anything here. We seem so desperate to preserve a players value that we are blind to the fact that sometimes they probably don’t have 1
Post by: Alanvideo on January 16, 2019, 03:08:55 AM
A shout for the top: Ryan Astley.....................never gonna give him up :thumbsup:
Post by: BlueForYou on January 16, 2019, 03:42:27 AM
Post by: arteta4spain on January 16, 2019, 03:31:27 PM
.....................never gonna give him up :thumbsup:Gonna get rick rolled!
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 17, 2019, 05:33:08 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/best-everton-wonderkids-right-now-15674985
Post by: BlueForYou on January 17, 2019, 06:50:25 PM
Post by: Thomas on January 19, 2019, 11:39:51 PM
Watching the first team is grim.
Post by: Mac934 on January 20, 2019, 12:06:27 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on February 20, 2019, 10:16:32 PM
Full of steam and looks a beast!
Galloway played but Browning signs for Chinese club
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 20, 2019, 10:33:29 PM
Ryan Astley, just signed first professional contract
Never gonna give him up, obviously. :D
Post by: Alanvideo on February 20, 2019, 10:45:02 PM
Never gonna give him up, obviously. :D..................Quote from: BlueForYou on January 16, 2019, 02:45:00 AM
A shout for the top: Ryan Astley
Alanvideo.................... .never gonna give him up :thumbsup:
Post by: Alanvideo on February 20, 2019, 10:45:58 PM
Hornby on track for first team, scored again in 2-0 win on Monday that keeps us top................bet your chuffed with that !
Full of steam and looks a beast!
Post by: Mac934 on February 20, 2019, 11:38:09 PM
Hornby on track for first team, scored again in 2-0 win on Monday that keeps us topBet he trains well. Daren't ask if he has a tender behind............
Full of steam and looks a beast!
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on February 20, 2019, 11:42:38 PM
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Post by: Toddacelli on February 21, 2019, 05:05:34 PM
Let’s hope he doesn’t go off the rails...
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He shouldn't. The FC should spot the signals as soon as they are flagged.
I'm stoked about this one - he's been under the radar for a bit now - a real sleeper!
Post by: MmmblueBernard on February 21, 2019, 06:43:21 PM
Ryan Astley, just signed first professional contract
Never gonna give him up.
Edit: bollocks, beaten to the punchline by EINC
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 21, 2019, 07:13:32 PM
Never gonna give him up.
Edit: bollocks, beaten to the punchline by EINC
You could have followed with "we wouldn't get this from any other guy" :D
Post by: BlueForYou on February 21, 2019, 08:13:34 PM
And guess who also scored the other night - Luke the Fluke on Loan Watch for Oxford (is he Under 23?)
Post by: Cassius on February 24, 2019, 01:13:21 AM
Soz, meant this for the loan tbread.
Post by: BlueForYou on March 05, 2019, 12:20:53 AM
Liverpool, tonight
A good platform for our flying scotsman
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 05, 2019, 12:22:44 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on March 05, 2019, 12:28:07 AM
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Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 05, 2019, 02:48:35 AM
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Post by: Jimmywhack on March 05, 2019, 03:12:02 AM
Seems a shame we're not offering Sambou a new contract and letting him go in the summerAre we defo doing that?
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Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2019, 04:19:00 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1102675288369045509
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2019, 06:19:21 AM
Little dig at the German prick here
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1102675288369045509
Blimey, who was number 16 with the body swerve, acceleration, and assist?
Post by: Outworlder47 on March 05, 2019, 09:54:58 AM
Blimey, who was number 16 with the body swerve, acceleration, and assist?
Anthony Gordon, midfielder who just turned 18. Played for the first team in that Europa game in Cyprus in 2017.
He also did this for the U-18s a few weeks back:
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2019, 05:28:36 PM
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Post by: stirlingblue on March 05, 2019, 11:40:09 PM
Anyone know anything about him?
Post by: brap2 on March 05, 2019, 11:47:41 PM
That Dennis Adeniran looked a really powerful and fast CM, something the first team is sorely lacking.
Anyone know anything about him?
Didn't watch this game but like what I've seen from him in the past.
Post by: stirlingblue on March 06, 2019, 12:17:18 AM
Didn't watch this game but like what I've seen from him in the past.
Had a quick google and apparently we have high hopes, we payed Fulham £4m for him last year but he was out for half a season with an injury, doing well now he’s back up and running
Post by: Ross on March 06, 2019, 12:22:51 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 06, 2019, 12:41:02 AM
Didn't see all of it but I thought the lad Bowler looked lively.Unsworth been raving about him lately
Post by: brap2 on March 06, 2019, 01:56:08 AM
Post by: Ross on March 06, 2019, 03:18:34 AM
Unsworth been raving about him lately
Should be looking at a loan next year I’d have thought he doesn’t look ready for the full team but he’s a talent.
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 06, 2019, 04:09:01 AM
Should be looking at a loan next year I'd have thought he doesn't look ready for the full team but he's a talent.Yeah I'd have thought so
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 06, 2019, 04:34:44 AM
Are we defo doing that?Apparently we tried to find him a loan deal in Jan to shop window him, when he gets released in the summer, but no one came in for him.
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Post by: Audrey Horne on March 06, 2019, 06:13:48 PM
It's all about Anthony Gordon.
https://twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/1103264343918104577
Post by: TheRam on March 06, 2019, 06:16:08 PM
How far away is he do we reckon?
Post by: bigmanbob on March 06, 2019, 07:20:01 PM
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Post by: brap2 on March 09, 2019, 12:57:18 AM
video wont play. idiots. In next post....
Yes the lads
Post by: Toddacelli on March 09, 2019, 01:37:37 PM
https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/1104092868967321600
That 10 foot tall feeling!
Post by: sam of the south on March 09, 2019, 03:11:34 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 04, 2019, 09:54:53 PM
https://tickets.evertonfc.com/selection/event/seat?perfId=101323440178&productId=101266322663&fbclid=IwAR3gGTwCfQVgxp4bqPWgFQja8QIT73lIjKQfFa9sscKWwO2qJnZk-qjSmNQ
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 07, 2019, 10:48:21 PM
Post by: gizzblue on April 10, 2019, 01:48:39 AM
Let them see a young hungry squad hopefully with a few future first teamers .
Post by: Trowel on April 16, 2019, 12:38:39 AM
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Post by: TheRam on April 16, 2019, 01:13:37 AM
The siren in an under 23s game doesn't work
No, you’re messing. Please tell me you’re messing?
Post by: Macca77 on April 16, 2019, 01:19:46 AM
No, you’re messing. Please tell me you’re messing?
Nope not messing, was played before zcars and had flame machines as well
Post by: Robbie Moubert on April 16, 2019, 01:25:27 AM
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Post by: Bally on April 16, 2019, 02:01:05 AM
Fucking shite
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Post by: Robbie Moubert on April 16, 2019, 02:14:42 AM
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Champions!........... :hail:
Post by: brap2 on April 16, 2019, 03:17:15 AM
Bowler good but in and out the game.
Looked like a 442 with a big man up top. Didn't think much of the football we played but some good individual players.
Post by: Macca77 on April 16, 2019, 04:05:19 AM
https://twitter.com/Adam_Jones94/status/1117850605299486720
Post by: toshyboy on April 16, 2019, 04:10:11 AM
Just doesn't work does it
https://twitter.com/Adam_Jones94/status/1117850605299486720
Never thought z cars does either though to be fair for the u23 games
Post by: gizzblue on April 16, 2019, 04:47:31 AM
Post by: TheRam on April 16, 2019, 04:52:50 AM
I’m proper out of touch with this crop of youngsters.
Post by: brap2 on April 16, 2019, 04:54:40 AM
Who’s making it into the first team out of this lot then?
I’m proper out of touch with this crop of youngsters.
Gibson was very impressive mate. Gave the pen away but I won't be surprised to see him playing real football very soon.
Modern Cb; physically imposing, headers, blocks, bollocking people, but also very very comfortable bringing the ball out and breaking lines dribbling.
Post by: TheRam on April 16, 2019, 04:58:39 AM
Gibson was very impressive mate. Gave the pen away but I won't be surprised to see him playing real football very soon.
Modern Cb; physically imposing, headers, blocks, bollocking people, but also very very comfortable bringing the ball out and breaking lines dribbling.
He’s with the first team here. Seem to be making an effort to make sure you know he’s with the first team.
Can go left back as well can’t he?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 16, 2019, 05:04:35 AM
Who's making it into the first team out of this lot then?I'd be surprised to see any tbh. The gulf is massive nowadays
I'm proper out of touch with this crop of youngsters.
Winning these things are great but they mean little tbh
Post by: gizzblue on April 16, 2019, 05:18:36 AM
I'd be surprised to see any tbh. The gulf is massive nowadays
Winning these things are great but they mean little tbh
Meant an awful lot to the team and all that were there .
Post by: brap2 on April 16, 2019, 02:06:11 PM
He’s with the first team here. Seem to be making an effort to make sure you know he’s with the first team.
Can go left back as well can’t he?
Not sure re LB, he is left sided and looks quite quick with the ball at his feet but never really seen him before last night.
Foulds came on around the 72nd minute and Galloway shuffled across to make a 5 at the back to help see out the game. Foulds looked good as well.
Feeney didn't put a foot wrong and dived in the park end after the final whistle which was good stuff, but he looks small. Deceptively quick tho.
I think Brands will be looking to move unsworth and co on soon. It was like watching Cardiff, but the individual quality was as good or better than their opponents rather than worse. They should be playing something that remotely represents what the first team are doing I think.
Hornby and Sambou won't see prem football. Bowler and Gibson should go the champ next year hopefully.
Post by: Hawkandro on April 16, 2019, 02:22:33 PM
Post by: Makis on April 16, 2019, 02:46:21 PM
Does the youth teams have the players to play in the same style as what Silva wants, i.e. 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1? Do they have the right type of wide forwards?
And yeah, the gulf is massive. Remember we have several under 23 players in the first squad (DCL, Davies, Lookman, Kenny, Richarlison. Imagine how they would dominate at this level. I would imagine the lads that have been on load to Championship have a much better chance. I.e. Connolly, Williams, Robinson, Holgate) and at best they will most likely be in the periphery. If there was no transfer budget then I cold see some of the promoted to the subs bench.
Post by: Hesmenos on April 16, 2019, 03:59:31 PM
He's got a year left on his contract and he's highly rated so there will be other teams having a sniff. Having him train with the first team is a good way to show him that he has a future with us. Ideally you want him to sign an extension and get him on loan to a good championship team next season.
He’s with the first team here. Seem to be making an effort to make sure you know he’s with the first team.
Can go left back as well can’t he?
Post by: Hesmenos on April 16, 2019, 04:50:32 PM
Isn't Sambou's contract running out anyways?Its wonderful for the players and their families to win this league but it means very little to the club.
Does the youth teams have the players to play in the same style as what Silva wants, i.e. 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1? Do they have the right type of wide forwards?
And yeah, the gulf is massive. Remember we have several under 23 players in the first squad (DCL, Davies, Lookman, Kenny, Richarlison. Imagine how they would dominate at this level. I would imagine the lads that have been on load to Championship have a much better chance. I.e. Connolly, Williams, Robinson, Holgate) and at best they will most likely be in the periphery. If there was no transfer budget then I cold see some of the promoted to the subs bench.
The main aim of the u23s should be to provide players for the first team. Ajax probably have the most successful football academy in Europe. Their youth teams are famous for playing the same system as the first team so that when they get into the first team they are ready to slot straight in. They are currently 7th in their youth league but have provided 11 players in the current Ajax first team (5 of these are regular starters in the first XI)
Of the team that won the PL2 two seasons ago, 4 are currently in our first team and DCL is the only one that can be considered a regular starter in the first XI
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 16, 2019, 04:51:39 PM
Meant an awful lot to the team and all that were there .Not saying it doesnt mean a lot to the lads and the fans involved, I mean it means little in the future team being littered with young lads coming through
Post by: Alanvideo on April 16, 2019, 05:15:54 PM
On the evidence of last night's game you might say Bowler and one or two others are worth a try from the bench in the odd game ,maybe in the early UEFA's if we happen to scrape in ,unlikely I know.
Post by: stirlingblue on April 16, 2019, 07:07:25 PM
Its wonderful for the players and their families to win this league but it means very little to the club.
The main aim of the u23s should be to provide players for the first team. Ajax probably have the most successful football academy in Europe. Their youth teams are famous for playing the same system as the first team so that when they get into the first team they are ready to slot straight in. They are currently 7th in their youth league but have provided 11 players in the current Ajax first team (5 of these are regular starters in the first XI)
Of the team that won the PL2 two seasons ago, 4 are currently in our first team and DCL is the only one that can be considered a regular starter in the first XI
To be fair, it’s much easier to step up to the Eridevisie than it is to the Premier League. The PL is the fastest/most demanding league in the world, and no clubs have several youngsters stepping up from the same crop.
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 16, 2019, 09:49:51 PM
Post by: gizzblue on April 16, 2019, 11:12:45 PM
https://twitter.com/LewisGippa3/status/1118128173282205696
Was great last night ...can see him and a couple of others making the full squad myself ...Bowler Sambou maybe even Feeney ...but they need to be looking to go out on loan next season and get some good minutes .
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Post by: Alanvideo on April 17, 2019, 03:47:21 PM
Was great last night ...can see him and a couple of others making the full squad myself ...Bowler Sambou maybe even Feeney ...but they need to be looking to go out on loan next season and get some good minutes ...............Sambou is out of contract in June ,I thought I read somewhere he was being released ?
Post by: Toddacelli on April 17, 2019, 04:39:07 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on April 17, 2019, 05:06:04 PM
..............Sambou is out of contract in June ,I thought I read somewhere he was being released ?
Yeah, Sambou isn’t making it in the PL, not enough to his all round game
Post by: Hesmenos on April 17, 2019, 05:29:31 PM
Gibson did cost us £6m which for a youth team player is nuts, even in these times. You’d like to think he’d be nailed-on to be a first teamer. Seems to be on the right track.I'm sure I read somewhere that it was £1M with a potential to cost £6M. I imagine some of the addons would include first team appearances
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Post by: Ross on April 17, 2019, 06:44:07 PM
Gibson did cost us £6m which for a youth team player is nuts, even in these times. You’d like to think he’d be nailed-on to be a first teamer. Seems to be on the right track.
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You’d hope that the vast majority of that was made up by target related payments and the initial fee was much lower.
But guess it’s hard to be sure given we’ve been so blasé with money these past few years.
Post by: Gary1878 on April 29, 2019, 05:46:19 PM
Post by: Gary1878 on May 01, 2019, 07:53:25 PM
Some thoughts on the under 23s 2-1 defeat against West Ham on Monday evening:
- We rested 3 key players (Bowler, Sambou and Virginia) and it showed. West Ham needed to win to avoid relegation, and also had 2 first teamers in there, so was always going to be difficult.
- Fraser Hornby is Andy Carroll in disguise. Big lad up top, with little skill - can't see him making it with us based on this
- Josh Bowler - when he came on, we instantly looked better. Good speed and skill, and is physically powerful. Would like to see him in and around the first team for cup games next year.
- Lewis Gibson - Generally impressive. The first goal conceded was a result of West Ham playing Diangana on the right hand side, and he ripped Galloway apart. The second was from a shot outside the box, and little he could do.
- London Stadium - Its dreadful. For anyone that hasn't been, the lower tier and top tier are separate from eachother, segregated by scaffolding in the middle (lower tier moves back for Athletics Events).
Post by: BlueForYou on May 04, 2019, 10:58:15 PM
U23's in Cup Final after 2-0 semi-final win against Swansea with goals from Hornby and Sambou
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 05, 2019, 01:42:20 AM
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Post by: Macca77 on May 07, 2019, 12:35:34 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 07, 2019, 01:55:09 PM
Any ticket info?
https://twitter.com/EFC_FansForum/status/1125447452784496640
Post by: Macca77 on May 07, 2019, 01:56:11 PM
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Post by: Ross on May 08, 2019, 06:51:52 PM
Post by: Shogun on May 08, 2019, 07:22:17 PM
Aren’t they letting that lad Sambou go as well?
Think I read he's been offered a contract but the original story was definitely that we were letting him go.
Post by: Mac934 on May 08, 2019, 08:18:59 PM
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Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 09, 2019, 01:48:30 AM
half time came at the wrong time for us.. we was playing really well
if you want to watch the 2nd half.
Post by: gizzblue on May 09, 2019, 01:59:11 AM
It's live free on Evertons Youtube account
Hornby missed two great chances easier to score to be fair ...Bowler is the stand out tbh ....and how has Sambou not been given a new contract has out in June. .shame .
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2019, 02:26:11 AM
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Post by: Alanvideo on May 09, 2019, 03:02:41 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 09, 2019, 03:08:00 AM
update this if we get any coverage lads
well done Blues ;D
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2019, 03:14:02 AM
hope it gets some coverage, highly doubt it though.
Post by: sam of the south on May 09, 2019, 03:14:15 AM
Bowler was class, Markelo, Adeniran, and Gibson all good as well.
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2019, 03:15:42 AM
Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2019, 04:16:28 AM
Double winner's, first team to do it as well, I wonder we'll get any sort of recognition on SSN. Probably not
Most our fans aren’t arsed so I doubt sky are.
I didn’t even know this was happening tonight tbh.
Post by: gizzblue on May 09, 2019, 04:32:25 AM
Love these u23 night's :thumbsup:
Great first double .
Bowler is a definite baller
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 09, 2019, 05:36:43 AM
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Post by: Jamokachi on May 09, 2019, 10:02:06 AM
Is Joao Virginia the keeper for them?
Yea
Post by: Shogun on May 09, 2019, 01:32:17 PM
Hewelt - Still in U23s
G. Jones - Sold to Fleetwood
Kenny - Everton
Connolly - Loaned to Bolton
Robinson - Loaned to Wigan
Dowell - Loaned to Sheffield United
Davies - Everton
Walsh - Sold to Bristol City
Henen - To be released
Niasse - Whatever
DCL - Everton
Not bad really, got three squad players from that team.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 09, 2019, 02:28:57 PM
This is the team that beat Arsenal U23s 5-0 a couple of years ago to give an idea of the chances any of this current lot have of making the first team:Not to be negative, but whilst DCL certainly developed in the U23s he wasn’t a product of the academy. Kenny isn’t good enough and will be off in the next year or so. Davies will be a good player and certainly a good squad player. That’s not a great strike-rate.
Hewelt - Still in U23s
G. Jones - Sold to Fleetwood
Kenny - Everton
Connolly - Loaned to Bolton
Robinson - Loaned to Wigan
Dowell - Loaned to Sheffield United
Davies - Everton
Walsh - Sold to Bristol City
Henen - To be released
Niasse - Whatever
DCL - Everton
Not bad really, got three squad players from that team.
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Post by: Makis on May 09, 2019, 02:36:21 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 09, 2019, 02:44:25 PM
There are rumours Brands will tear up the youth system this summer, it’ll be interesting to see what he implements.
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Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 09, 2019, 03:31:42 PM
Let’s bin the comps and just have them train at finch farm until we kinda guess they're ready for competitive action 👍
Post by: Shogun on May 09, 2019, 03:45:44 PM
Not to be negative, but whilst DCL certainly developed in the U23s he wasn’t a product of the academy. Kenny isn’t good enough and will be off in the next year or so. Davies will be a good player and certainly a good squad player. That’s not a great strike-rate.
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It is compared to other teams.
There's only so much you can do at youth level, the vast majority just aren't going to be talented enough no matter how much they do right in terms of work ethic.
Post by: Bally on May 09, 2019, 03:46:44 PM
But success for the U23s shouldn't be winning trophy's. It should be about bringing youngsters into the first team or selling academic players for a substantial profit.What the fuck are you on about, let's not win trophies whilst you're in the reserves you know because your value will become greater by just training for a bit
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Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2019, 03:50:08 PM
Davies, DCL, Kenny are all first team players with over 50 appearances each.
Dowell and Robinson are both very good players who should have a future in the premier league.
I think that’s as good as you can expect from a under 23 crop.
Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2019, 03:51:00 PM
But success for the U23s shouldn’t be winning trophy’s. It should be about bringing youngsters into the first team or selling academic players for a substantial profit.
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Have we not been doing that though?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 09, 2019, 03:56:15 PM
Haha what?!I didn’t say bin the comps, just that the success in these comps has no bearing on the first team.
Let's bin the comps and just have them train at finch farm until we kinda guess they're ready for competitive action
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Post by: Makis on May 09, 2019, 04:11:47 PM
Main criticism on Unsworth is he plays a totally different style to the first team and it seems very results-oriented.
Post by: Gary1878 on May 09, 2019, 04:18:39 PM
Post by: Alanvideo on May 09, 2019, 04:25:13 PM
I didn’t say bin the comps, just that the success in these comps has no bearing on the first team.
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Yeah, if the choice is winning PL2 every year and no-one making the grade to first team and never winning anything with the youth team but getting first team players regularly any sane club would opt for the second. Because what's the point of the youth team in the first place?...............this is what I was getting at earlier. It's great having the best U23 team in the country but I bet Brands is looking at replacing Rhino with someone who could provide more end product .
Main criticism on Unsworth is he plays a totally different style to the first team and it seems very results-oriented.
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2019, 04:29:01 PM
What the fuck are you on about, let's not win trophies whilst you're in the reserves you know because your value will become greater by just training for a bit
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No, its great for them to win trophys, it's just not the point of u23 football.
Feeney won the 2017 euros with England, most of that squad is now playing mens football while feeney is in his 20s winning a Youth Cup.
Broadhead is part of the immensely talented Wales U21 squad, he's just won player of the year for us in youth football, but has never kicked a ball in a grown up game in his life. There's only one other Wales U21 squad member in the same position is 2 years younger than him.
Our squad is older than Chelsea, City, Liverpool etc. Because our players are stuck at the same developmental level playing hoofball, while they loan theirs out to produce if not stars then £££.
Trophys are great and v proud of the u23s, but where dya think these 20-22 year old are going now because it isn't into our first team.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 09, 2019, 04:41:26 PM
Chelsea make between £50m and £100m every season, loaning players, most of which are youth team players.
Liverpool sold Danny Ward for £10m and have Woodburn, Wilson, Grujic - who are all worth 8 figures. How much would they get for TAA in this market?
Obviously, those teams have greater resources - but that’s what we should aspire to. Not get excited because a load of future League 1 players have won a few trophies.
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Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2019, 05:02:31 PM
Extremely unfair to call unsworths football ‘hoofball’. Maybe it’s changed now, but that team he had of dowell, Davies, Kenny etc played good football.
Post by: Ross on May 09, 2019, 05:06:32 PM
City sold 13 youngsters, that had 33 first team appearances between them, for £136m.
Chelsea make between £50m and £100m every season, loaning players, most of which are youth team players.
Liverpool sold Danny Ward for £10m and have Woodburn, Wilson, Grujic - who are all worth 8 figures. How much would they get for TAA in this market?
Obviously, those teams have greater resources - but that’s what we should aspire to. Not get excited because a load of future League 1 players have won a few trophies.
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How many of those players City and Chelsea sold or are loaned out weren’t actually from their academy originally? Even the four Liverpool ones you’ve mentioned there’s at least 1 who isn’t from their academy.
Chelsea up until RLC hadn’t produce anything from their academy for 20 years even though they’ve spent hundreds of millions on it. City have spent hundreds of millions on theirs and all they’ve got to show for it is Foden and he could go either way. Same with the shite and TAA, who was their last academy graduate to become a regular for them? Gerrard? 20 something years ago?
If he hadn’t chose to go to Chelsea we’d still have Barkley, after years of Osman and Hibbert (people may have differing opinions on them but they both had 10+ years as premier league players for a top 5/6/7 club) and it looks promising Davies will do the same. That’s better than any other club you’ve mentioned easily, without the hundreds of millions they’ve all poured into their academy’s over the last 20 odd years.
This current crop may or may not produce a star or two for us but it’s more likely they will compared to who you want us to be like.
Post by: gizzblue on May 09, 2019, 05:09:36 PM
Everton 'supporters' that.
Chelsea Liverpool etc etc pay rediculous amounts for poaching their youth ....which we have only just started doing ...it takes time .
In the meantime i am enjoying the u23's success and the games out with the grandkids building their relationship with footy .....it's not all about money ...when it's plain to see we are progressing .
Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2019, 05:10:57 PM
Poor comparison imo.
Post by: Ramjam on May 09, 2019, 05:12:54 PM
Ffs the young lads do the double and people on here complain because we don't crank a Rooney out every year .Great post
Everton 'supporters' that.
Chelsea Liverpool etc etc pay rediculous amounts for poaching their youth ....which we have only just started doing ...it takes time .
In the meantime i am enjoying the u23's success and the games out with the grandkids building their relationship with footy .....it's not all about money ...when it's plain to see we are progressing .
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 09, 2019, 05:22:59 PM
How many of those players City and Chelsea sold or are loaned out weren't actually from their academy originally? Even the four Liverpool ones you've mentioned there's at least 1 who isn't from their academy.You’re missing the point. Their academies may not produce players for the first team, but the money those players generate (in transfers and loan fees), goes towards players that improve the club.
Chelsea up until RLC hadn't produce anything from their academy for 20 years even though they've spent hundreds of millions on it. City have spent hundreds of millions on theirs and all they've got to show for it is Foden and he could go either way. Same with the shite and TAA, who was their last academy graduate to become a regular for them? Gerrard? 20 something years ago?
If he hadn't chose to go to Chelsea we'd still have Barkley, after years of Osman and Hibbert (people may have differing opinions on them but they both had 10+ years as premier league players for a top 5/6/7 club) and it looks promising Davies will do the same. That's better than any other club you've mentioned easily, without the hundreds of millions they've all poured into their academy's over the last 20 odd years.
This current crop may or may not produce a star or two for us but it's more likely they will compared to who you want us to be like.
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 09, 2019, 05:28:17 PM
City and Chelsea have the resources available to stockpile youngsters with no intention of ever playing them.It’s not comparison - it’s what we should aspire to. It’s having a plan, rather than just waiting for the next Rooney to emerge.
Poor comparison imo.
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 09, 2019, 05:30:18 PM
Ffs the young lads do the double and people on here complain because we don't crank a Rooney out every year .The ‘modern football’ debate, is another issue.
Everton 'supporters' that.
Chelsea Liverpool etc etc pay rediculous amounts for poaching their youth ....which we have only just started doing ...it takes time .
In the meantime i am enjoying the u23's success and the games out with the grandkids building their relationship with footy .....it's not all about money ...when it's plain to see we are progressing .
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Post by: Ross on May 09, 2019, 05:54:23 PM
You’re missing the point. Their academies may not produce players for the first team, but the money those players generate (in transfers and loan fees), goes towards players that improve the club.
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I don’t think I am. Your original point started off by saying we don’t have a “great strike rate” then went onto say the u23s should be about “bringing youngsters into the first team”.
Then you brought up other clubs and their academy’s saying how profitable they are but ignoring how much they’ve spent the past 20 years on signing these lads in whilst never producing anybody for their first teams.
We've probably the best academy in the country that’s not just shown now by the u23’s winning two trophies this season it’s been shown over the last 20+ years when we’ve been producing footballers for the first team far more regularly than others on a fraction of the budget and offering lots of kids who don’t make it here a pathway into the professional game.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 09, 2019, 06:08:34 PM
I don’t think I am. Your original point started off by saying we don’t have a “great strike rate” then went onto say the u23s should be about “bringing youngsters into the first team”.
Then you brought up other clubs and their academy’s saying how profitable they are but ignoring how much they’ve spent the past 20 years on signing these lads in whilst never producing anybody for their first teams.
We've probably the best academy in the country that’s not just shown now by the u23’s winning two trophies this season it’s been shown over the last 20+ years when we’ve been producing footballers for the first team far more regularly than others on a fraction of the budget and offering lots of kids who don’t make it here a pathway into the professional game.
The greatest academy in the country? That’s a daft claim. We’ve had Rooney in an age that could make an impact for a top side. Liverpool Owen Fowler Sterling gerrard TAA etc etc etc. We produce lots of okay players. We aren’t close to producing anything like the quality they have
Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2019, 06:12:07 PM
It’s not comparison - it’s what we should aspire to. It’s having a plan, rather than just waiting for the next Rooney to emerge.
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We have a plan, and that will become a lot more effective with Brands in charge.
Our plan is to integrate a way of playing from the under 9s right through to the first team, creating a clear pathway for players good enough to become members of the first team.
City and Chelsea just stockpile young players and sell them on for inflated fees with no intention of ever developing them.
Post by: Ross on May 09, 2019, 06:15:21 PM
The greatest academy in the country? That’s a daft claim. We’ve had Rooney in an age that could make an impact for a top side. Liverpool Owen Fowler Sterling gerrard TAA etc etc etc. We produce lots of okay players. We aren’t close to producing anything like the quality they have
Fowler was 25+ years back, Owen pretty much the same, Gerrard 20+ years ago also and Sterling was brought in for a lot of money at 16.
Basically a lifetime ago Liverpool were producing quality players until TAA and he’s only just began and his career could go either way at such a young age.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 09, 2019, 06:28:44 PM
Fowler was 25+ years back, Owen pretty much the same, Gerrard 20+ years ago also and Sterling was brought in for a lot of money at 16.
Basically a lifetime ago Liverpool were producing quality players until TAA and he’s only just began and his career could go either way at such a young age.
The post I quoted said 20 plus years proof we’ve got the best youth system in the country. In recent times we’ve spent money on buying youth talent in too.
The reality is we’ve produced 1 champions league level player in probably 25 plus years. It’s not good. We make a lot of okay footballers who have decent careers.
Post by: Ross on May 09, 2019, 06:37:10 PM
The post I quoted said 20 plus years proof we’ve got the best youth system in the country. In recent times we’ve spent money on buying youth talent in too.
The reality is we’ve produced 1 champions league level player in probably 25 plus years. It’s not good. We make a lot of okay footballers who have decent careers.
Yeah and you’re going back 25 years for Fowler and Owen and then including Sterling who was bought for something like £6m as a 16 year old.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 09, 2019, 06:59:03 PM
We have a plan, and that will become a lot more effective with Brands in charge.
Our plan is to integrate a way of playing from the under 9s right through to the first team, creating a clear pathway for players good enough to become members of the first team.
City and Chelsea just stockpile young players and sell them on for inflated fees with no intention of ever developing them.
Obviously Brands was (in part) brought in to overhaul the youth set-up.
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Post by: Makis on May 09, 2019, 07:37:56 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/revealed-premier-leagues-most-successful-9671204
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2019, 07:44:53 PM
We have a plan, and that will become a lot more effective with Brands in charge.
Our plan is to integrate a way of playing from the under 9s right through to the first team, creating a clear pathway for players good enough to become members of the first team.
City and Chelsea just stockpile young players and sell them on for inflated fees with no intention of ever developing them.
That plan sounds great, but it isn't what actually has been happening at the club like.
If someone said to you : our plan is to hold players back so they are playing for years against other kids at the same level but younger and less physically developed than them, play kick and rush football that doesn't represent at all what the first team do in an effort to get results at this level before the players leave on frees to league 1 clubs, would you say that is a good strategy?
I'm made up for the u23s and I think there's some real talent there, but I guarantee there will be some changes coming to that department.
Post by: bluestevie on May 09, 2019, 08:35:50 PM
Post by: Shogun on May 09, 2019, 09:03:51 PM
Great result from the U23s and great to see Kenwright, Moshiri, Brands and Silva all there, though Bill's appearance seems to have rubbed some up the wrong way judging from other sites
Bill literally gave the fans money the other week and got stick,
People are bellends, they're entitled to be bellends and we're entitled to call them bellends.
Post by: Macca77 on May 09, 2019, 09:21:35 PM
Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2019, 10:02:25 PM
That plan sounds great, but it isn't what actually has been happening at the club like.
If someone said to you : our plan is to hold players back so they are playing for years against other kids at the same level but younger and less physically developed than them, play kick and rush football that doesn't represent at all what the first team do in an effort to get results at this level before the players leave on frees to league 1 clubs, would you say that is a good strategy?
I'm made up for the u23s and I think there's some real talent there, but I guarantee there will be some changes coming to that department.
That our plan is it yeah?
My mistake. Crack on fella.
Post by: gizzblue on May 09, 2019, 11:19:09 PM
Post by: gizzblue on May 09, 2019, 11:20:35 PM
I would also welcome some changes to the youth set up if I'm honest we would all love 11Rooney types a year ...but it's never gonna be a prem player factory ....some should actually go and see the work these lads put in .. it's great to see them play for the shirt .
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2019, 11:51:48 PM
That our plan is it yeah?
My mistake. Crack on fella.
Well that's what's happening whether you like it or not.
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2019, 12:08:04 AM
Well that's what's happening whether you like it or not.
Stop stating your opinions as matter of fact.
There’s obviously changes that brands will like to make and those changes are already afoot, but unsworth deserves a lot, lot more credit than you’re wanting to give him.
As I say, I haven’t watched them this season but the ‘hoofball’ stuff that you talk about surprises me as they didnt play that way when I used to watch them
Three players in DCL, Davies and Kenny who are first team regular.
I don’t think any changes made to the academy will change anything in terms of the amount of players that break through from the academy.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 10, 2019, 12:50:47 AM
Funny really last night watching both them teams play footy ...hardly any kick n rush between them (unjust descriptive )...and all the u23's I've seen this year have been of comparable size weight and ability not really much difference between an 18-19-or 21 year old in reality (if your good enough your old enough and all that)...including the game last night .
I would also welcome some changes to the youth set up if I'm honest we would all love 11Rooney types a year ...but it's never gonna be a prem player factory ....some should actually go and see the work these lads put in .. it's great to see them play for the shirt .
The thing is though there’s not much value in playing 21-22 year olds whom we pretty much know won’t ever make it. We seem very reluctant to move some players on.
I’d sooner do less well and give them places in the team to younger players with potential still to make it
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 10, 2019, 12:52:17 AM
Stop stating your opinions as matter of fact.
There’s obviously changes that brands will like to make and those changes are already afoot, but unsworth deserves a lot, lot more credit than you’re wanting to give him.
As I say, I haven’t watched them this season but the ‘hoofball’ stuff that you talk about surprises me as they didnt play that way when I used to watch them
Three players in DCL, Davies and Kenny who are first team regular.
I don’t think any changes made to the academy will change anything in terms of the amount of players that break through from the academy.
Only 1 of them 3 is a first team regular and he was bought and and will probably be replaced in the summer
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2019, 01:12:18 AM
Only 1 of them 3 is a first team regular and he was bought and and will probably be replaced in the summer
They’re all first team players.
Post by: gizzblue on May 10, 2019, 01:46:11 AM
The thing is though there’s not much value in playing 21-22 year olds whom we pretty much know won’t ever make it. We seem very reluctant to move some players on.
I’d sooner do less well and give them places in the team to younger players with potential still to make it
But again if they were good enough they would be old enough ,be they 18 20 22 ot even 16 as we have all seen
Let's just jib it all off at and have one group of youngsters between 15 and 22 fuck all this nurturing shite... or if they're not good enough at 15 fuck them all off ..would that suit you perchance ?.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 10, 2019, 02:00:38 AM
They’re all first team players.
True but I don’t think anyone would be amazed if all of them didn’t have a long term future in our first team. We’d all swap all 3 for a rashford or a TAA. We’ve developed 1 top 6 standard player in about 25 years (possibly longer)
We do okay for decent players. We don’t do well for players a successful club could use. Maybe I have unrealistic expectations
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2019, 03:19:12 AM
Stop stating your opinions as matter of fact.
There’s obviously changes that brands will like to make and those changes are already afoot, but unsworth deserves a lot, lot more credit than you’re wanting to give him.
As I say, I haven’t watched them this season but the ‘hoofball’ stuff that you talk about surprises me as they didnt play that way when I used to watch them
Three players in DCL, Davies and Kenny who are first team regular.
I don’t think any changes made to the academy will change anything in terms of the amount of players that break through from the academy.
Fair enough, I'll reign it in.
Yeah like I say I don't think our hit rate is terrible, and I like to see us buying in players like Holgate, DCL, Lookman, talent acquisition for that level is massively important, all your kids can't come from Bootle ffs.
But, you don't think any changes made to the academy will make any difference to its success at producing players? Am I misunderstanding that or something because that seems an extremely strange thing to think.
Post by: Ramjam on May 10, 2019, 10:10:04 AM
True but I don't think anyone would be amazed if all of them didn't have a long term future in our first team. We'd all swap all 3 for a rashford or a TAA. We've developed 1 top 6 standard player in about 25 years (possibly longer)Barkley’s at a top 3 side and in the final of the Europa cup we developed him as well.
We do okay for decent players. We don't do well for players a successful club could use. Maybe I have unrealistic expectations
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Post by: Jamokachi on May 10, 2019, 10:18:17 AM
We all can agree that it’s great seeing them win things, but it’s not a true marker or indication of talent given the gulf between U23 and league 1 (even 2 maybe). That’s where true development of players comes from. We do need to get better at shipping out these players at an earlier stage so that they can fulfill their potential.
And I think that will be the plan moving forward with Brands wanting continuity through the levels.
I do think it’s a bit harsh on Unsworth to say his side plays hoofball or rush and go football. The U23s have played decent football whenever I’ve seen them. Whether that matches what we want from the 1st team is a different matter.
Post by: Ramjam on May 10, 2019, 11:50:41 AM
I think it's a fair point that the purpose of development sides isn't to win things. Saying that isn't disrespectful to the team, players or club, it's just stating a fact.Where can we go to watch the U23s from here, is it the club site or is there other options?
We all can agree that it's great seeing them win things, but it's not a true marker or indication of talent given the gulf between U23 and league 1 (even 2 maybe). That's where true development of players comes from. We do need to get better at shipping out these players at an earlier stage so that they can fulfill their potential.
And I think that will be the plan moving forward with Brands wanting continuity through the levels.
I do think it's a bit harsh on Unsworth to say his side plays hoofball or rush and go football. The U23s have played decent football whenever I've seen them. Whether that matches what we want from the 1st team is a different matter.
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Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2019, 03:22:15 PM
Fair enough, I'll reign it in.
Yeah like I say I don't think our hit rate is terrible, and I like to see us buying in players like Holgate, DCL, Lookman, talent acquisition for that level is massively important, all your kids can't come from Bootle ffs.
But, you don't think any changes made to the academy will make any difference to its success at producing players? Am I misunderstanding that or something because that seems an extremely strange thing to think.
Might be a slight improvement, but I don’t see anything changing significantly to be honest.
How many premier league teams constantly churn out players from the academy for the first team?
What brands will do here is nothing different to what a lot of teams are already doing.
I think we’ve had a good record over recent years in producing players from the academy anyway.
Only thing I see changing that much is turning youngsters over for profit, instead of flogging them to the age of 21/22 and releasing them.
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2019, 04:19:53 PM
Might be a slight improvement, but I don’t see anything changing significantly to be honest.
How many premier league teams constantly churn out players from the academy for the first team?
What brands will do here is nothing different to what a lot of teams are already doing.
I think we’ve had a good record over recent years in producing players from the academy anyway.
Only thing I see changing that much is turning youngsters over for profit, instead of flogging them to the age of 21/22 and releasing them.
Right well agree to disagree I suppose.
I think he was lauded for his work with PSV's academy but different environment innit.
Don't think anyone regular produces first team players really, very difficult, but yeah one of the most important things would be to provide income instead of releasing them on frees.
Post by: Toddacelli on May 10, 2019, 04:46:01 PM
Well done the U23's!
Sake.
shakeyheadman
Post by: Jamokachi on May 10, 2019, 08:59:35 PM
Where can we go to watch the U23s from here, is it the club site or is there other options?
there's been a few games broadcast on youtube
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 15, 2019, 02:59:35 PM
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Post by: Gary1878 on May 15, 2019, 09:02:45 PM
Lots of passes through the central midfield area, good wide play, and good use of the front man to hold the ball up. Lots of short passing, and lots of switching of play was utilized to stretch the pitch for guys like Bowler to get one on one with the opposition fullback.
It's a really good base to work from, and if you can win whilst producing quality players for the first team, then it can only be defined as successful.
Post by: gizzblue on May 15, 2019, 11:13:11 PM
I have watched the U23s twice this season, and the kind of football they were playing was similar to the first team.
Lots of passes through the central midfield area, good wide play, and good use of the front man to hold the ball up. Lots of short passing, and lots of switching of play was utilized to stretch the pitch for guys like Bowler to get one on one with the opposition fullback.
It's a really good base to work from, and if you can win whilst producing quality players for the first team, then it can only be defined as successful.
So a far cry from the "kick and rush " or the "hoofball" that some claim the u23's play constantly ...
Glad it wasn't just me thought they actually played footy quite well .
Post by: brap2 on May 16, 2019, 12:03:27 AM
So a far cry from the "kick and rush " or the "hoofball" that some claim the u23's play constantly ...
Glad it wasn't just me thought they actually played footy quite well .
Yeah but gaz also seems to think the first team play lots of passes through the centre of midfield so you know, pinch of salt.
Post by: gizzblue on May 16, 2019, 12:08:47 AM
Yeah but gaz also seems to think the first team play lots of passes through the centre of midfield so you know, pinch of salt.
Funny I thought he said 'similar to the first team' ....and we do actually go through the midfield then to the wings ...so yano ...opinion . ..and he's only seen two u23 games ...must have been actually watching to be so observant :thumbsup:
Post by: brap2 on May 16, 2019, 12:10:49 AM
Funny I thought he said 'similar to the first team' ....and we do actually go through the midfield then to the wings ...so yano ...opinion . ..and he's only seen two u23 games ...must have been actually watching to be so observant :thumbsup:
We do to be fair, we just don't play through very well. Switching it is true though.
Post by: BlueForYou on May 21, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 22, 2019, 07:49:11 PM
Broadhead in senior Wales squadHopefully it’ll be a good shop window for him.
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Post by: Jamokachi on May 23, 2019, 04:54:08 AM
Hopefully it'll be a good shop window for him.
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It’s just a training camp I think.
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 23, 2019, 04:58:53 AM
It's just a training camp I think.It's the squad for the euro qualifiers coming up. That said, it's a big squad so it may well be that
Post by: brap2 on May 23, 2019, 05:14:07 AM
Not sure I've seen a list anywhere of contracts signed and released though?
Post by: Jamokachi on May 23, 2019, 03:45:21 PM
It's the squad for the euro qualifiers coming up. That said, it's a big squad so it may well be that
It's the preliminary squad for a training camp in Portugal. From there they'll decide on playing squad (at least that's usually what happens).
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2019-05-21/giggs-selects-bale-in-wales-euro-2020-squad-for-portugal-training-camp/
Post by: BlueForYou on May 23, 2019, 09:30:46 PM
Just turned 21 and contracted until next year, don't think he's ever been loaned out
Good prospect but probably not with us
Post by: bigmanbob on May 24, 2019, 03:15:56 PM
Broadhead played in every U23 game and also won U18 player of the season a few years backAnd this years U23 award
Post by: Lxxx on May 24, 2019, 04:01:33 PM
Broadhead played in every U23 game and also won U18 player of the season a few years back, plus scored both goals in 2-0 win over Liverpool
Just turned 21 and contracted until next year, don't think he's ever been loaned out
Good prospect but probably not with us
Sounds like he was a good prospect, a few years ago. Cue a loan move to Wigan then.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 24, 2019, 04:30:30 PM
Sounds like he was a good prospect, a few years ago. Cue a loan move to Wigan then.Teams like Utd and the shite are really good at selling players before everyone else realises they’re not good enough. I know they receive a premium, given their status but I still feel this is an area we need to improve in. I honestly believe Liverpool would’ve made £20m on Galloway and Garbutt.
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Post by: Lxxx on May 27, 2019, 04:45:54 PM
Teams like Utd and the shite are really good at selling players before everyone else realises they’re not good enough. I know they receive a premium, given their status but I still feel this is an area we need to improve in. I honestly believe Liverpool would’ve made £20m on Galloway and Garbutt.
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They managed to get Bournemouth for example to part with nearly £40m for Solanke, Jordan Ibe and Brad Smith, which is unreal.
Post by: Alanvideo on May 27, 2019, 05:25:58 PM
Sounds like he was a good prospect, a few years ago. Cue a loan move to Wigan then............he'd probably develop more at Wigan or wherever ,playing against established pro's. I don't see the point of U23's playing year after year against other U23's .
Post by: Trowel on May 27, 2019, 06:45:06 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1132974914259095557
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Post by: brap2 on June 05, 2019, 08:12:05 PM
Another victory for the blues academy, giving average players 3 year contracts and loaning them out again and again to lose what minimal value they have before they eventually leave on a free.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 05, 2019, 08:38:49 PM
Pennington on the verge of another loan.
Another victory for the blues academy, giving average players 3 year contracts and loaning them out again and again to lose what minimal value they have before they eventually leave on a free.
It’s ridiculous he’s still at the club. He’s a lower league player and everyone knows it
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 05, 2019, 08:49:36 PM
The board obviously gave him a contract so they could cash in on him, but that’s not happened so they’ve had to settle with loaning him out. There are plenty of mid to lower Championship level teams he’d be good for, but apart from the handful of teams trying to get into the Prem, there isn’t much money in that league.
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 05, 2019, 08:54:19 PM
Derby were interested in Pennington in Jan, and he had a good season at Ipswich, by all accounts. He’s a solid enough Championship player.
The board obviously gave him a contract so they could cash in on him, but that’s not happened so they’ve had to settle with loaning him out. There are plenty of mid to lower Championship level teams he’d be good for, but apart from the handful of teams trying to get into the Prem, there isn’t much money in that league.
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We don’t seem to understand that in some cases nothing is the better value. With Pennington there was no value to protect
Post by: D15TIN on June 05, 2019, 10:01:11 PM
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2019, 02:01:54 PM
Pennington will make a decent career for himself in the football league, he'll probably be another still at Everton in his late 20s getting loaned out, garbutt, Galloway, tarashaj etc
I’d question the word ‘decent.’ He’ll have a career no doubt but jumping from one team/manager/style to the next in your key years and not progressing ability wise means he’s probably missed the boat when it comes to kicking on and fulfilling what potential he had.
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 06, 2019, 04:39:49 PM
The previous route of binning off fringe players to the Championship seems to have dried up in recent years. I suppose why would a club buy someone like Pennington when you can loan him and not take on that financial burden of a long term contract? Every PL club will have a dozen decent players not getting a game - almost a victim of their own success, with these bloated squads. The market of teams to sell on to, is seemingly shrinking as the PL money train rolls ever onwards!
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Don’t disagree but why then do we give new contracts to the likes of him and mirallas when there’s no value to protect. Just let them go on frees
Post by: Ramjam on June 06, 2019, 04:46:22 PM
Don't disagree but why then do we give new contracts to the likes of him and mirallas when there's no value to protect. Just let them go on freesIt was the previous regime wasn’t it, let’s hope those days are a distant past and once we get all the shit out and completely clear the decks then we can have a much clearer sight of where we are gonna. At the moment we can’t see the forest for the trees but it won’t always be like that.
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Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2019, 06:26:47 PM
Don’t disagree but why then do we give new contracts to the likes of him and mirallas when there’s no value to protect. Just let them go on frees
A misguided notion that a few quid in transfer fees outweighs the salary commitments. The third way, which we seem to fall into unfortunately, is get stuck with the commitments and no hope of a fee to get rid of them.
Post by: Makis on June 06, 2019, 08:09:48 PM
The previous route of binning off fringe players to the Championship seems to have dried up in recent years. I suppose why would a club buy someone like Pennington when you can loan him and not take on that financial burden of a long term contract? Every PL club will have a dozen decent players not getting a game - almost a victim of their own success, with these bloated squads. The market of teams to sell on to, is seemingly shrinking as the PL money train rolls ever onwards!Well, if they believe the player will improve they would lose out.
Post by: D15TIN on June 06, 2019, 08:25:55 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 06, 2019, 10:26:01 PM
we will get small loan fees when loaning these players out too, for the likes of bolasie, besic & mirallas anyway
Think it’s more likely we are still covering wages for bolasie and mirallas than getting a fee when we loan them
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 10, 2019, 09:13:16 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 28, 2019, 01:52:24 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 17, 2019, 12:57:01 AM
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The young Blues signed off for the recent international break by putting eight goals past Southampton and will be looking to extend their unbeaten start to the campaign.
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on September 19, 2019, 02:03:23 PM
I find it very odd that Brands is seemingly disinterested in the U23s or the academy. Thought there would’ve been a root and branch overhaul by now. Maybe our hands are somewhat tied by the ban, or he’s just had a lot on his plate, sorting out the first team.
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Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2019, 03:10:18 PM
Charsley and Evans still starting games, unbelievable.
I find it very odd that Brands is seemingly disinterested in the U23s or the academy. Thought there would’ve been a root and branch overhaul by now. Maybe our hands are somewhat tied by the ban, or he’s just had a lot on his plate, sorting out the first team.
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He attends fairly regularly I believe, but I am finding it hard to believe there aren't sweeping changes coming.
We just don't produce prem players, and we desperately need to. Feels like some improvement in regards to loans this year, but there's players that should be playing mens football like. I've no idea whatsoever why players we've released are starting over players on our books.
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2019, 03:36:59 PM
I’m sure there’s work in progress and we’ll see changes soon.
I reckon the biggest issue is sorting out decent loans for these players.
I see Virginia has been dropped at reading so that’s a year wasted for him. This happens too much and the players start going backwards.
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2019, 03:42:45 PM
Worked wonders for Chelsea as well with their relationship with vitesse.
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 20, 2019, 02:44:36 AM
He attends fairly regularly I believe, but I am finding it hard to believe there aren't sweeping changes coming.
We just don't produce prem players, and we desperately need to.
Do you think in terms of youth players breaking through and being prem league standard is down to 'producing' or its more important the actual finding. I mean if you look at chelsea now for example or man utds 'kids' was it something that they did in nurturing and developing those players or just a case of having the best scouting and the most attractive propositions for the best young talent. Id imagine it is the latter but I genuinely dont know how important the setup is for development.
Post by: Gash on September 20, 2019, 04:22:56 AM
It took Chelsea years to get a decent structure in place after their take over, it will quite probably take us the same.
Post by: brap2 on September 20, 2019, 05:18:23 AM
Do you think in terms of youth players breaking through and being prem league standard is down to 'producing' or its more important the actual finding. I mean if you look at chelsea now for example or man utds 'kids' was it something that they did in nurturing and developing those players or just a case of having the best scouting and the most attractive propositions for the best young talent. Id imagine it is the latter but I genuinely dont know how important the setup is for development.
Errr I think it's a mix of
Good scouting and identification (RBL)
Good catchment area (PSG)
Good 'use of the rules' shall we say (City, Us)
Good coaching throughout the age groups (Chelsea, City, RBL,)
Good pathways into first team football, here or elsewhere from as early as possible (Chelsea, RBL)
Probably lots more but for me the most important thing is coaching and pathways. The most talented player in the world for their age group will wilt if they aren't coached correctly, and if they don't get mens football (w good coaching at an appropriate level) as soon as possible.
Re Chelsea : they've not got many into the first team but they run it as a business, get them a pathway into first team togger on the continent or in the championship then sell. Arguably the best academy in the Premier league to be honest.
Post by: BlueForYou on September 22, 2019, 05:57:22 PM
And Simms opened his U23 goalscoring account last week
Post by: Shogun on September 23, 2019, 10:43:57 PM
Post by: brap2 on September 23, 2019, 11:30:52 PM
Are we still playing players due to be released by the club?
No, they've been released and we're still playing them.
Post by: Shogun on September 23, 2019, 11:44:06 PM
No, they've been released and we're still playing them.
Understand that we want to provide these lads with the opportunity of a career in the lower leagues but come on, they’ve had their opportunity.
Post by: kramer0 on September 24, 2019, 02:56:03 AM
Post by: bluestevie on September 24, 2019, 05:59:47 AM
Unsworth needs to go.
Why?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on September 24, 2019, 12:53:17 PM
Why?He picks a team to win, not to develop.
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Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
Chelsea aren't a great example, they loan out about 25 young players a year, very few if any ever make it at the club. When Abramovich hired Frank Arnesen he was seen as the man to bring on the young players, something like £60m later not one academy player had turned out for the first team. Josh McEachren was the first player since John Terry about 10-12 years earlier to come through academy and he hasn't exactly gone on to great things.
It took Chelsea years to get a decent structure in place after their take over, it will quite probably take us the same.
I think Chelsea's model is decent, it's just not utilised correctly.
They produce good players, their loan system works well, they make a lot of money but the final piece of the jigsaw is the short termism of their managerial appointments. There is no incentive for managers to take a chance on young players when they know they'll be binned off if immediate results aren't forthcoming. They might have stumbled upon a way forward with Lampard and the current transfer ban but it remains to be see if they have any more patience once that washes through.
Post by: kramer0 on September 24, 2019, 11:34:26 PM
He picks a team to win, not to develop.
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This. He tends to pick older players who should be out on loan (or released, in some cases) because he knows can win that way.
It stunts the development of those players AND our most talented U18s, who should be turning out regularly for the U23s because they'll learn more at that level.
Post by: sam of the south on September 28, 2019, 05:12:23 AM
Post by: brap2 on September 28, 2019, 05:16:20 AM
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1177703776511287296?s=19
Post by: sam of the south on September 28, 2019, 02:23:22 PM
Anthony Gordon taking the absolute Micheal
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1177703776511287296?s=19
If he doesn’t make it I’ll eat my own wang
Post by: gizzblue on September 29, 2019, 06:10:08 AM
Anthony Gordon taking the absolute Micheal
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1177703776511287296?s=19
Got everything this lad already ...needs a few games in the full squad .
Post by: Makis on September 29, 2019, 04:11:31 PM
Post by: brap2 on September 29, 2019, 04:20:26 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 29, 2019, 04:28:50 PM
We don't need to rush him into the first team, we just need to make sure there's a reasonable pathway to mens football, eventually leading to first team footy at Everton.Yeah he's cracked U23 level now, he needs a loan to a League 1 club.
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Post by: Jimmywhack on October 02, 2019, 04:05:17 AM
Means fuck all like but hey
Post by: brap2 on October 02, 2019, 04:17:40 AM
Adeniran looked good again I think. Quite high on him on the sly. Markelo energetic but lacking a bit of quality at times.
Gordon didn't impress me as much as I was hoping. Obviously has ability but drifted in and out and didn't turn the screw, don't know how much of that is tactics or whatever. Reminds me a lot of Ross Barkley at 17/18 to be honest, but built more like dowell.
Simms...yeah, I'm not sure to be honest. Very 'raw' on the ball, but managed to bag another goal (that I missed tbh).
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 02, 2019, 04:19:50 AM
I'll stand by my simms shout of getting nowhere near the first team
Tried watching it but was on baba duty and stuff an all.
Adeniran looked good again I think. Quite high on him on the sly. Markelo energetic but lacking a bit of quality at times.
Gordon didn't impress me as much as I was hoping. Obviously has ability but drifted in and out and didn't turn the screw, don't know how much of that is tactics or whatever. Reminds me a lot of Ross Barkley at 17/18 to be honest, but built more like dowell.
Simms...yeah, I'm not sure to be honest. Very 'raw' on the ball, but managed to bag another goal (that I missed tbh).
Post by: brap2 on October 02, 2019, 04:36:09 AM
Big Dennis is training with the first team apparently
I'll stand by my simms shout of getting nowhere near the first team
Yeah heard that before. Think he needs a loan myself, Dirty Den.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 04, 2019, 01:42:28 AM
New name for the foaming screaming mass to pin their hopes on
Post by: sam of the south on October 04, 2019, 01:54:07 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/16-year-old-everton-striker-17019282
New name for the foaming screaming mass to pin their hopes on
He can’t wait to gallop in front of the Paddock.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 05, 2019, 08:18:09 PM
Post by: toffee_scot on October 17, 2019, 12:30:16 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50070022
Post by: kerryblue boy on October 18, 2019, 11:49:12 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 18, 2019, 11:51:50 PM
Why is it that we haven't tied down Lewis Gibson to a long term contract talk of him rejoining Newcastle in January on a free we paid £6 million for him three years ago he looks promising to me a bit light but good on the ball
Post by: BlueForYou on October 19, 2019, 03:17:54 PM
Simms scores (scorching solo effort)
Gordon off injured (superb until then)
Lost 1-4 (season's first defeat)
Post by: bigdunc9 on October 19, 2019, 04:06:23 PM
Post by: kerryblue boy on October 19, 2019, 04:15:23 PM
Simms for the 1st team? No goals in us at the moment would him coming on raise the fans and players?It would be totally wrong to throw him into that toxic atmosphere at the moment we already have two young strikers struggling for chances no need to put him in the mix
Post by: BlueForYou on October 19, 2019, 04:39:57 PM
Post by: bigdunc9 on October 19, 2019, 04:45:39 PM
Post by: TheRam on October 19, 2019, 05:03:22 PM
Only just started bagging for the under 23s.
Next step should be a loan to a league one side.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 19, 2019, 06:11:48 PM
Post by: velimski on October 19, 2019, 08:24:10 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 19, 2019, 10:00:04 PM
It's fucking lose
4 4 2 Kean and simms up top. Nothing to loose?
Post by: Makis on October 20, 2019, 12:00:52 AM
How many miles off is Kean?Kean has played for Italy and Juventus. Don't think Simms is yet up to that.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2019, 12:56:40 AM
Post by: Makis on October 20, 2019, 01:18:07 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2019, 01:28:05 AM
Sandro had more experience than Kean and he's still not there yet....................
Post by: brap2 on October 21, 2019, 02:36:41 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 21, 2019, 03:24:48 PM
Make a bid, Preston North End
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 21, 2019, 03:53:13 PM
Some shout that
Post by: brap2 on October 21, 2019, 04:07:12 PM
Simms for Kean?
Some shout that
The best was drop Kean into the u23's and then we'd 'find out'. Haha, come again?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 21, 2019, 05:04:03 PM
Funny, that!!!
Post by: brap2 on October 21, 2019, 05:32:44 PM
Yeah! You missed the point!!
Funny, that!!!
Apologies I have to admit I tuned out of the convo but your post stood out, I didn't check the context behind it etc. so if I've misread genuinely apologise.
The whole convo seemed beyond daft to me.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 31, 2019, 10:15:00 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fast-track-development-exciting-17177441?fbclid=IwAR2_sx6cj4izTtck77j665cF3k6ZLlhu7ETaDJouXbryVOPFsv5YzPF7Y3M
Interesting him saying that he will replace Beni who will likely be first team
Post by: dazfrancis on October 31, 2019, 10:34:12 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on November 02, 2019, 02:31:25 PM
COYB!
Post by: BlueForYou on November 02, 2019, 09:59:08 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2019, 03:51:56 AM
Brands is struggling to implement the changes he wants to make with regards to the Academy and the coaching staff therein. Unsworth and Waldron are being protected by BK and DBB. Sounds like a real fucking mess.
Still, maybe we'll win another PL2 title...
Post by: TheRam on November 06, 2019, 03:54:01 AM
Guy in work knows someone on the staff at the club. Don't get much but did get this in work;
Brands is struggling to implement the changes he wants to make with regards to the Academy and the coaching staff therein. Unsworth and Waldron are being protected by BK and DBB. Sounds like a real fucking mess.
Still, maybe we'll win another PL2 title...
Fucks sake. Where’s this from?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2019, 03:56:28 AM
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2019, 03:57:06 AM
Guy in work knows someone on the staff at the club. Don't get much but did get this in work;I've got a fair amount of time for BK but if that's true then he should do one, his involvement with us has resulted in our biggest trophy drought ever, so he should stick to be a PR toy we wheel out as and when and leave football decisions to football people
Brands is struggling to implement the changes he wants to make with regards to the Academy and the coaching staff therein. Unsworth and Waldron are being protected by BK and DBB. Sounds like a real fucking mess.
Still, maybe we'll win another PL2 title...
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Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2019, 04:01:16 AM
Lost on pens tonight BTW
Prince Oumar scored 2 though
Post by: BlueForYou on November 06, 2019, 04:07:19 AM
I was at the EitC 5k run and Brands (with Big Dunc and Big Joe) appears to love the club
Signs of frustration, though?
Post by: sam of the south on November 06, 2019, 04:57:12 AM
Guy in work knows someone on the staff at the club. Don't get much but did get this in work;
Brands is struggling to implement the changes he wants to make with regards to the Academy and the coaching staff therein. Unsworth and Waldron are being protected by BK and DBB. Sounds like a real fucking mess.
Still, maybe we'll win another PL2 title...
Grim if true.
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2019, 04:58:05 AM
Post by: sam of the south on November 06, 2019, 05:02:01 AM
I've no reason to doubt him; sums us up, if true.
Young buck v dinosaurs power struggle
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2019, 05:03:47 AM
Part of the problem of hiring within is the same old power structures remain and you don't have the fresh ideas and perspectives. Dbb apparently the best possible hire for the job, okie doke.
Niasse played 90 minutes. 32% posession. 442. Seeya unsworth.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2019, 05:05:59 AM
Side note: DBB is a kopite and how she went from managing a charity to our CEO, I’ll never know.
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Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2019, 05:10:22 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2019, 05:15:35 AM
Moshiri is behind Brands apparently so I cannot see why he just doesn't assert his power. Club is a mess apparently. Apologies if bollocks, these types of things usually come around when struggling.It makes sense; the off-field structure of the club is as disjointed as the playing side.
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Post by: BlueForYou on November 06, 2019, 12:22:35 PM
Post by: TheRam on November 06, 2019, 03:21:04 PM
Moshiri is behind Brands apparently so I cannot see why he just doesn't assert his power. Club is a mess apparently. Apologies if bollocks, these types of things usually come around when struggling.
Don’t see any reason why what you’re saying wouldn’t be true unfortunately.
Need to get the old guard gone and give brands 100% control over everything otherwise what’s the point?
Post by: Makis on November 06, 2019, 03:30:17 PM
Side note: DBB is a kopite and how she went from managing a charity to our CEO, I’ll never know.You got proof about her being a Kopite?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 06, 2019, 04:13:32 PM
You got proof about her being a Kopite?
Does anyone care who she supports anyway? Owen rush and and fowler were all blues apparently. Bet Liverpool were gutted getting stuck with them
Post by: Alanvideo on November 06, 2019, 04:55:55 PM
Moshiri is behind Brands apparently so I cannot see why he just doesn't assert his power. Club is a mess apparently. Apologies if bollocks, these types of things usually come around when struggling............I would have thought Moshiri can do whatever he wants given his majority stake. Kenwright only has 5%.
At board level he has Brands and Ryazantsev in his pocket and why would DBB go against her employer ?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2019, 05:37:34 PM
Does anyone care who she supports anyway? Owen rush and and fowler were all blues apparently. Bet Liverpool were gutted getting stuck with themI do
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2019, 05:45:27 PM
Them: Peter Moore (born 1955) is a British/American business executive best known for his former positions as Senior VP of Global Sports Marketing at Reebok, President of Sega of America, and Corporate Vice-President of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division, overseeing the Xbox and Xbox 360 game consoles. From 2007 to 2011 he was head of Electronic Arts' EA Sports game division. In 2012 he was appointed COO of Electronic Arts. He resigned from Electronic Arts in February 2017 to become CEO of Liverpool Football Club.
Oh, and he’s a Liverpool fan.
Us: Before venturing into the third sector and world of sport, Denise spent 16 years working in education and fulfilled a variety of academic and leadership roles within Higher Education.
Denise arrived at the Club in January 2010 to develop and lead a transformation strategy for Everton in the Community. Due to the success of this venture, Denise became the Club’s Chief Operating Officer in October 2011, before being promoted to Deputy Chief Executive in June 2013. In that role, Denise played an integral part in improving the matchday experience for supporters, in turn helping to increase attendances and enhance Everton’s reputation both nationally and abroad. She was appointed to the Club's Board of Directors in July 2016 and then named CEO in June 2018 following the departure of Robert Elstone.
Notice the difference? It all starts from the top.
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Post by: Alanvideo on November 06, 2019, 05:46:43 PM
I do...............if she's a kopite she hides it well. I saw her presentation at the last but one AGM and she came over as a true blue. Even made disparaging remarks about our noisy neighbours when talking about the Goodison legacy.
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Post by: Makis on November 06, 2019, 06:37:22 PM
Them: Peter Moore (born 1955) is a British/American business executive best known for his former positions as Senior VP of Global Sports Marketing at Reebok, President of Sega of America, and Corporate Vice-President of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division, overseeing the Xbox and Xbox 360 game consoles. From 2007 to 2011 he was head of Electronic Arts' EA Sports game division. In 2012 he was appointed COO of Electronic Arts. He resigned from Electronic Arts in February 2017 to become CEO of Liverpool Football Club.I don't see how that proves she's a kopite.
Oh, and he’s a Liverpool fan.
Us: Before venturing into the third sector and world of sport, Denise spent 16 years working in education and fulfilled a variety of academic and leadership roles within Higher Education.
Denise arrived at the Club in January 2010 to develop and lead a transformation strategy for Everton in the Community. Due to the success of this venture, Denise became the Club’s Chief Operating Officer in October 2011, before being promoted to Deputy Chief Executive in June 2013. In that role, Denise played an integral part in improving the matchday experience for supporters, in turn helping to increase attendances and enhance Everton’s reputation both nationally and abroad. She was appointed to the Club's Board of Directors in July 2016 and then named CEO in June 2018 following the departure of Robert Elstone.
Notice the difference? It all starts from the top.
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Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2019, 06:46:13 PM
Them: Peter Moore (born 1955) is a British/American business executive best known for his former positions as Senior VP of Global Sports Marketing at Reebok, President of Sega of America, and Corporate Vice-President of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division, overseeing the Xbox and Xbox 360 game consoles. From 2007 to 2011 he was head of Electronic Arts' EA Sports game division. In 2012 he was appointed COO of Electronic Arts. He resigned from Electronic Arts in February 2017 to become CEO of Liverpool Football Club.
Oh, and he’s a Liverpool fan.
Us: Before venturing into the third sector and world of sport, Denise spent 16 years working in education and fulfilled a variety of academic and leadership roles within Higher Education.
Denise arrived at the Club in January 2010 to develop and lead a transformation strategy for Everton in the Community. Due to the success of this venture, Denise became the Club’s Chief Operating Officer in October 2011, before being promoted to Deputy Chief Executive in June 2013. In that role, Denise played an integral part in improving the matchday experience for supporters, in turn helping to increase attendances and enhance Everton’s reputation both nationally and abroad. She was appointed to the Club's Board of Directors in July 2016 and then named CEO in June 2018 following the departure of Robert Elstone.
Notice the difference? It all starts from the top.
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I got roundly boo'd at the time for suggesting that maybe the best possible person for the job is not Denise from down the hall.
But frankly - I don't even support Liverpool and I know what their head honchos do. Moore is the business, Edwards is recruitment, Klopp is coach and media face.
What do ours do? How come the best possible head of stadium development happened to be the man running finch farm, Colin chong? How come the best possible head of commercial happened to be running our UNDER PERFORMING commercial partnerships?
Club always does this, insular parochial little gang that refuses to face the future. Has been this way since Moores in the 60s oddly enough.
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2019, 06:54:26 PM
...........I would have thought Moshiri can do whatever he wants given his majority stake. Kenwright only has 5%.
At board level he has Brands and Ryazantsev in his pocket and why would DBB go against her employer ?
You would think so, wouldn't you? Especially if this disenfranchises Brands to the point of walking. I just cannot fathom why he wouldn't be given free reign.
Post by: Jamokachi on November 07, 2019, 02:30:16 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 20, 2019, 12:05:49 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3 out of 3. Into the elite rounds 😁✌🏼 https://t.co/xNbS29dAau (https://t.co/xNbS29dAau)</p>— Anthony Gordon (@anthonygordon59) November 19, 2019 (https://twitter.com/anthonygordon59/status/1196798403495284736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 20, 2019, 12:06:48 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on November 20, 2019, 01:43:04 AM
Post by: sam of the south on November 20, 2019, 04:43:54 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🏴 Great goal by @anthonygordon59 (https://twitter.com/anthonygordon59?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) for England U19’s today in their 5-0 win against Macedonia U19’s pic.twitter.com/lpJdFW3p5g (https://t.co/lpJdFW3p5g)</p>— The Toffee Blues (@EvertonNewsFeed) November 16, 2019 (https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1195741608739852290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
That was a howitzer!
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 20, 2019, 05:18:51 AM
Ready for NorwichCertain he’ll get some game time before the year’s out.
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Post by: brap2 on November 27, 2019, 03:41:45 AM
Niasse started.
Post by: Waltzer on November 27, 2019, 03:50:53 AM
Getting beat 4-0 at home to Fleetwood.We need the women to play more games, at least they appear to be doing well
Niasse started.
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 27, 2019, 04:11:24 AM
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Post by: Jimmywhack on November 27, 2019, 04:18:55 AM
We had a chance to play Simms against grown men, instead of the usual kids he plays against in the U23s league, and we play Niasse. Absolutely clueless, a prime example of why the pathway for young players is fucked.
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 27, 2019, 04:20:43 AM
Or Simms ain't all thatWe’ll never find out unless he’s tested and challenged.
What’s there to lose...apart from the Leasing.com cup
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Post by: kramer0 on November 27, 2019, 04:23:29 AM
Or Simms ain't all that
Maybe not.
But the point of the U23s isn't to win, it's to build players that contribute to the Everton first team. Playing Niasse, who isn't (and shouldn't be) in the first team picture, contributes nothing to the cause.
Brands needs the autonomy to sack Unsworth and rebuild the academy system. His expertise matters. This is a thing that Dutch clubs tend to do better than English clubs.
Post by: ajax_andy on November 27, 2019, 02:50:07 PM
Maybe not.
But the point of the U23s isn't to win, it's to build players that contribute to the Everton first team. Playing Niasse, who isn't (and shouldn't be) in the first team picture, contributes nothing to the cause.
Brands needs the autonomy to sack Unsworth and rebuild the academy system. His expertise matters. This is a thing that Dutch clubs tend to do better than English clubs.
Or they're keeping him fit in the hope of bring able to move him on in Jan and save the club a huge amount in wages by getting him off the books?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 27, 2019, 03:01:02 PM
Or they're keeping him fit in the hope of bring able to move him on in Jan and save the club a huge amount in wages by getting him off the books?what has niasse got left on his contract , Martinez bought him, surely he must be in his final yr, not going to save much in wages now, and everyone in the Prem- Championship know he is shite.
Post by: dazfrancis on November 27, 2019, 03:06:41 PM
However, agree with everyone else's sentiment that the pathway to senior football is fucked and the u23s seem to be treated like a vanity project for Usworth
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 27, 2019, 03:12:53 PM
Or they're keeping him fit in the hope of bring able to move him on in Jan and save the club a huge amount in wages by getting him off the books?The club were willing to let him go on a free or a fee-free loan, with us paying some of his wages...but there were no takers. Keeping him fit won’t help get rid of him. For reference, Evans also played and he’s got no future here and we won’t get a fee for him.
Pretty sure Niasse’s contract runs out in the summer.
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Post by: ajax_andy on November 27, 2019, 03:17:33 PM
The club were willing to let him go on a free or a fee-free loan, with us paying some of his wages...but there were no takers. Keeping him fit won’t help get rid of him. For reference, Evans also played and he’s got no future here and we won’t get a fee for him.
Pretty sure Niasse’s contract runs out in the summer.
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If we can get rid in Jan it saves 6 months wages, and there'll be teams desperate for a free player in Jan. It doesn't make a lot of sense to have a player on high wages with zero chance of getting them off the books in Jan... I'd say doing that would be extremely poor business.
Keep him fit, hope to get him off the books in Jan and save 6 months wages... Makes perfect sense to me
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 27, 2019, 04:12:28 PM
If we can get rid in Jan it saves 6 months wages, and there'll be teams desperate for a free player in Jan. It doesn't make a lot of sense to have a player on high wages with zero chance of getting them off the books in Jan... I'd say doing that would be extremely poor business.Getting rid of him makes sense but him playing for the u21s every 6 weeks isn’t going to keep him fit. He was fully fit after pre-season an no-one wanted him.
Keep him fit, hope to get him off the books in Jan and save 6 months wages... Makes perfect sense to me
Anyway, he’ll soon be gone. Think that’s him and Martina, Baines and a couple of others that’ll be gone by the summer.
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Post by: kramer0 on November 27, 2019, 10:16:20 PM
Getting rid of him makes sense but him playing for the u21s every 6 weeks isn’t going to keep him fit. He was fully fit after pre-season an no-one wanted him.
Anyway, he’ll soon be gone. Think that’s him and Martina, Baines and a couple of others that’ll be gone by the summer.
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Baines. :'(
I hope he stays involved with the club in some capacity.
Post by: brap2 on November 27, 2019, 10:24:21 PM
Baines. :'(
I hope he stays involved with the club in some capacity.
Don't think he will personally.
Post by: BlueForYou on December 17, 2019, 04:00:46 AM
Gordon did not play - probably be substitute for first team on Wednesday?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 30, 2019, 12:21:48 PM
Post by: Thomas on December 31, 2019, 11:13:14 AM
Heres a coach who got access all areas for 2 weeks at Bilbaos academy. It's a great video about youth development.
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2019, 03:17:32 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 31, 2019, 03:59:14 PM
There are big changes coming to the academy in the summer, psv have one of the best production lines in Europe and the man responsible is now holding the reigns of ours.
Really hope so. Something not right with how it’s going at the minute. Overaged players with no future at the club taking minutes off of youngsters, unable to make decisions on highly rated graduates like dowell and Pennington to the point where we get stuck with players we could have potentially once have gotten decent fees for. I voted for unsworth to be our manager a couple of years ago. Now though I think he’s very much part of the problem. His teams win at the expense of actually developing our youngsters. Though I’m not even sure they are even winning that much anymore. Heard about big changes for a while now but so far nothing has happened. Personally I’d like it to start with unsworth being moved on
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2019, 04:05:36 PM
"Many figures similarly cite the appointment of Chris Perkins as head of academy recruitment as “one of the most sensible things they’ve done in years”.
Chris perkins was and still is the academy head of recruitment at Derby. A few weeks before that article I had heard we were having a shake up and Brands was installing this perkins as his man, and removing a few of the old guard.
Nothing confirmed by Everton yet and perkins is still at Derby, mayve an open secret or contracts are sorted and just need to announce in the summer I don't know.
Post by: brap2 on January 07, 2020, 04:36:51 PM
https://www.redbullsalzburg.at/en/fc-red-bull-salzburg/news/saison_2019_20/enter-the-next-level.html
Post by: Ramjam on January 07, 2020, 04:42:04 PM
One day.Footballers really are a privileged lot these days.
https://www.redbullsalzburg.at/en/fc-red-bull-salzburg/news/saison_2019_20/enter-the-next-level.html
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Post by: bigmanbob on January 07, 2020, 05:04:10 PM
One day.So basically Finch Farm then???
https://www.redbullsalzburg.at/en/fc-red-bull-salzburg/news/saison_2019_20/enter-the-next-level.html
Post by: brap2 on January 08, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
So basically Finch Farm then???
All the gear, no idea
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2020, 04:11:19 AM
Goes into detail about Gibson also and how he's the only member of the u17 England squad yet to play men's football.
Sounds like hes got his head screwed on as well the lad : 'The 19-year-old, it is understood, wants to see a structure, based around loan deals, that would allow him the opportunity to be in-and-around Carlo Ancelotti's senior squad for the start of the 2021/22 season.'
Fair play to him, if we can't offer him that we should let him go. Can't give him the feeney treatment.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jarrad-branthwaite-lewis-gibson-everton-17574756.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 17, 2020, 04:43:45 AM
Post by: TheRam on January 17, 2020, 04:56:34 AM
Think Coleman was the last player we had that went out on loan to come back a first team player.
Liverpool have a loans manager. When Swansea approached them for Brewster he went down to Swansea for a few days to see if it was the right environment for the player.
What do we do when we send out our lads? Already this season we’ve had to cut short two loans because they’ve been a waste of time.
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2020, 05:07:16 AM
Not like we even get the loan process right.
Think Coleman was the last player we had that went out on loan to come back a first team player.
Liverpool have a loans manager. When Swansea approached them for Brewster he went down to Swansea for a few days to see if it was the right environment for the player.
What do we do when we send out our lads? Already this season we’ve had to cut short two loans because they’ve been a waste of time.
Seem to just send em down the motorway to Bolton Blackpool or Fleetwood.
Loans manager is such a simple step and would immediately improve the club.
A relationship with an eredivisie side the same, or a smart champo club.
Post by: Confucius on January 17, 2020, 05:15:28 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 17, 2020, 05:24:04 AM
Take Liverpool for example. Sterling and Alexander Arnold never needed a loan whereas the likes of Woodburn and soon to be Brewster will end up nowhere near the first team despite the hype.
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2020, 07:23:18 AM
Truth is most youth players don’t make it and if you end up on loan then you’ve probably already failed.
Take Liverpool for example. Sterling and Alexander Arnold never needed a loan whereas the likes of Woodburn and soon to be Brewster will end up nowhere near the first team despite the hype.
There are demonstrably proven ways to increase your chances of generating either profit or a first team player, and one of the biggest is getting them minutes as soon as you can as often as you can.
Some players don't need a loan no, but part of that is how modern football is and how insanely powerful the prem is, you need to be an extremely powerful athlete to hold your own, most players even very good ones aren't that at 19.
Youth players make the balance sheet look a lot healthier as well as any sales are just profit profit profit.
Chelsea's business model for years has been to run the club at a crazy amount of loss, but make it up in player sales and the academy has been a huge part of that.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 17, 2020, 01:48:34 PM
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Post by: kerryblue boy on January 17, 2020, 03:43:38 PM
Post by: brap2 on January 18, 2020, 01:32:19 AM
No onyango, Gibson, Gordon.
Anyone know if it's streamed anywhere?
Post by: sam of the south on January 18, 2020, 03:16:44 PM
Playing tonight, bants straight in.
No onyango, Gibson, Gordon.
Anyone know if it's streamed anywhere?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 18, 2020, 03:50:53 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on January 18, 2020, 03:51:32 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on January 18, 2020, 07:40:41 PM
Feeney ought to go out on loan to Preston
Post by: BlueForYou on January 25, 2020, 06:43:53 PM
Brands at the game
Is Hornby on track in Belgium?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 25, 2020, 10:31:07 PM
Branthwaite played in 2-2 draw against leaders Chelsea last nightHe scored a couple of goals early on but has been on the bench, of late. Don’t think he’ll make it in the first team but we should get a bit of money for him.
Brands at the game
Is Hornby on track in Belgium?
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Post by: mikey_blue on January 26, 2020, 03:52:04 AM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 26, 2020, 04:37:21 AM
Heard Beni is back from injury. Would like to see him called back up to the first team.Yeah I dunno about that.
He looked good in small doses about 2 years ago, but if he was anywhere near the level required for a Prem CM then he would have played more than 5 minutes since his debut, seen as we've been shite at CM in the first team for about 6 years.
Post by: sam of the south on January 26, 2020, 05:09:44 AM
Branthwaite played in 2-2 draw against leaders Chelsea last night
Brands at the game
Is Hornby on track in Belgium?
I see what you did there. 👌🏼
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 26, 2020, 12:12:47 PM
I see what you did there.Bollocks, missed this
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Post by: Jamokachi on January 26, 2020, 01:18:35 PM
Yeah I dunno about that.
He looked good in small doses about 2 years ago, but if he was anywhere near the level required for a Prem CM then he would have played more than 5 minutes since his debut, seen as we've been shite at CM in the first team for about 6 years.
He’s been pretty much plagued by injuries since. So no, you wouldn’t expect this at all.
Post by: BlueForYou on January 26, 2020, 05:57:30 PM
How's Sambou doing?
Post by: Alanvideo on January 26, 2020, 06:24:35 PM
Not so much full steam ahead for Hornby.............do you think Hornby needs a better platform to show his talents ?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 26, 2020, 06:37:40 PM
Post by: brap2 on January 26, 2020, 07:00:37 PM
Sambou, went to fortuna Sittard 9 apps no goals
I've seen him score for them but it may have been a cup game.
Beni needs football, can't let him regress further. Get him somewhere and let him play week in week out.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 26, 2020, 07:20:41 PM
Post by: Free Agent on January 26, 2020, 07:27:44 PM
.............do you think Hornby needs a better platform to show his talents ?
He’s was on track for the first team but then got sent out on loan. I worry he might go off the rails if he doesn’t make it back.
Post by: BlueForYou on January 26, 2020, 08:26:55 PM
Post by: Shogun on January 26, 2020, 10:08:42 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 26, 2020, 11:47:59 PM
Post by: sam of the south on January 27, 2020, 12:08:54 AM
We’ve got some many once highly rated young players who rot and fester stuck in our under aged teams. Something is clearly not working. Hoping for wholesale changes but fear we are stuck with unsworth for the long term
Yup, Unsworth is the common denominator.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 27, 2020, 12:23:55 AM
It's a possibility that the players just not talented enough, which would fall at our scouting system.
Post by: ajax_andy on January 27, 2020, 12:37:51 AM
Changes have to be made no doubt though, we need a blueprint that allows youth to prosper and also just slot in to the first team easily, which doesn't seem to be the case currently
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 27, 2020, 12:41:04 AM
I'm not convinced on that theory, it's just an assumption.
It's a possibility that the players just not talented enough, which would fall at our scouting system.
But then are why are they still in our system. Dowell is 1 we could have gotten a decent fee for and yet he’s now spending 2 seasons showing he’s not good enough for even the championship.
We even offered a contract to that lad we got from Coventry (I think)
We just want to retain everyone
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 27, 2020, 02:00:55 AM
But then are why are they still in our system. Dowell is 1 we could have gotten a decent fee for and yet he's now spending 2 seasons showing he's not good enough for even the championship.Yep, knowing when to sell is so important and we seem to have consistently got it wrong.
We even offered a contract to that lad we got from Coventry (I think)
We just want to retain everyone
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Post by: Bluedylan on January 27, 2020, 04:22:32 AM
We’ve got some many once highly rated young players who rot and fester stuck in our under aged teams. Something is clearly not working. Hoping for wholesale changes but fear we are stuck with unsworth for the long term
At the risk of stating the obvious, Unsworth seems much too bothered about winning EPL2 or whatever the fuck it's called (playing Niasse), and not as bothered as he should be about producing players who might get in the first team, which should be about 98% of his remit.
Post by: Hesmenos on January 27, 2020, 04:01:17 PM
Post by: Lxxx on January 27, 2020, 04:07:28 PM
It's a difficult one with Unsworth, I think he's just doing his job which is to get results, which he's done a good job of. The direction of the youth set up needs to come from above and if he's not been given a blueprint to work with it's not really his fault if he's done things his way as a result.
Changes have to be made no doubt though, we need a blueprint that allows youth to prosper and also just slot in to the first team easily, which doesn't seem to be the case currently
His job isn't to get results. His job is turn out players for first team progression or of a quality to sell on elsewhere. Then rinse and repeat. Playing Oumar Niasse to get a result so you progress up a nothing league should never be acceptable.
Post by: ajax_andy on January 27, 2020, 04:46:13 PM
His job isn't to get results. His job is turn out players for first team progression or of a quality to sell on elsewhere. Then rinse and repeat. Playing Oumar Niasse to get a result so you progress up a nothing league should never be acceptable.
Depends on his remit from the board, if they've told him to breed a winning mentality he's following orders... No one really knows what's been asked of him.
It defo needs an overhaul though, I think that's something everyone can agree on
Post by: bigmanbob on January 27, 2020, 07:13:57 PM
Post by: Shogun on January 27, 2020, 09:22:33 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 27, 2020, 09:51:54 PM
His job is what ever he is told to do, which nobody on here really knows
Well we can make that argument for everyone at the club who isn’t doing what logic would suggest is required. Maybe silvas remit was to concede lots of goals from set plays. Maybe niasse was brought in to trip over footballs
Look if unsworths job isn’t primarily to produce players for the first team then the club is fucked. You kind of just have to assume that’s the job they want him to do because it’s logical
Post by: Macca77 on January 27, 2020, 10:01:39 PM
Post by: Ross on January 27, 2020, 10:49:44 PM
Off the top of my head I’d say there must have been at least a dozen in that time who’ve been given the opportunity to stake a claim with the first team squad it’s then up to the player to grasp it. Come next season we could easily have half a dozen players who’ve been coached by him in the u23’s in the first team squad, can’t think of many premier league clubs who’ll be able to say that.
What more do people expect?
Post by: ajax_andy on January 27, 2020, 10:50:36 PM
Well we can make that argument for everyone at the club who isn’t doing what logic would suggest is required. Maybe silvas remit was to concede lots of goals from set plays. Maybe niasse was brought in to trip over footballs
Look if unsworths job isn’t primarily to produce players for the first team then the club is fucked. You kind of just have to assume that’s the job they want him to do because it’s logical
I'd guess him playing Niasse wasn't anything to do with his wishes as a coach and more those above him telling him he had to....same reason Ancelotti bizarrely played him against Newcastle, to keep him fit and hopefully get rid of him this window.
The whole setup isn't what it needs to be, that much is clear, the rest is just guesswork either way really
Post by: bigmanbob on January 27, 2020, 10:53:05 PM
He gets told to play out of contract players and Oumar Niasse then. Okay.Two words. Shop and Window
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 27, 2020, 10:54:19 PM
I'd guess him playing Niasse wasn't anything to do with his wishes as a coach and more those above him telling him he had to....same reason Ancelotti bizarrely played him against Newcastle, to keep him fit and hopefully get rid of him this window.
The whole setup isn't what it needs to be, that much is clear, the rest is just guesswork either way really
I can’t imagine anyone’s told ancelotti he has to play niasse. To what end anyway. He’s genuinely so bad his stock goes down if we play him
Post by: Shogun on January 27, 2020, 11:02:52 PM
Two words. Shop and Window
It's the U23s though.
A shop window with the shutters down.
Post by: Shogun on January 28, 2020, 12:30:56 AM
He's put the mayor of Liverpool on the bench.
https://twitter.com/Adam_Jones94/status/1221861003639623680
Post by: kramer0 on January 28, 2020, 12:50:04 AM
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Post by: Trowel on January 28, 2020, 01:34:29 AM
Post by: brap2 on January 28, 2020, 01:37:45 AM
Unsworth is taking the piss now.
He's put the mayor of Liverpool on the bench.
https://twitter.com/Adam_Jones94/status/1221861003639623680
really excited about Dobbin.
Post by: Gash on January 28, 2020, 02:54:10 AM
Not sure why some people have turned on Unsworth. He’s been the u23 manager for 5/6 years and we’ve had a lot of lads come through and get opportunities with the first team.
Off the top of my head I’d say there must have been at least a dozen in that time who’ve been given the opportunity to stake a claim with the first team squad it’s then up to the player to grasp it. Come next season we could easily have half a dozen players who’ve been coached by him in the u23’s in the first team squad, can’t think of many premier league clubs who’ll be able to say that.
What more do people expect?
People expect either first team players to come through the system or for us to be able to sell some our youngsters for reasonable money. All we seem to do is hand deals to people like Garbutt, Pennington etc who're never going to make it here and we're not going to get any money for them.
Davies, Holgate and DCL are the three obvious ones that have come through at the moment, Barkley further back but I can't think of too many that have been given a genuine chance on merit (and I don't mean a dead rubber in the Europa League) who have either pushed for a first team place or been sold and are now playing at a decent level, there's a big difference between that and getting a token run out because it's a meaningless game, Gethin Jones for example played in Europe for us, he's currently plying his trade in League Two at Carlisle on a short term deal.
We shouldn't be having players like Niasse, Martina and Harry Charsley near the U23's, no matter how few games they've played, all three have no future (in Charsley's case he's gone now anyway) so shouldn't be taking the place of young players development.
There might be a few knocking on the door next year, but even this season, we've players like Gordon getting on the park but that's only because of our injuries. We've had lots of players that have been highly rated over the years but never make it to the first team and never make it at a decent level after leaving, so they're either overhyped and not good enough in the first place or poorly developed and not moving up to the next level. Something needs to change though, plenty other clubs have good academies and are either getting players into the first team, or moving them on for decent money. No one's arsed about winning Premier League 2, even less so if none of those players are moving up to the first team or moving on for money.
Post by: Waltzer on January 28, 2020, 03:25:01 AM
People expect either first team players to come through the system or for us to be able to sell some our youngsters for reasonable money. All we seem to do is hand deals to people like Garbutt, Pennington etc who're never going to make it here and we're not going to get any money for them.
Davies, Holgate and DCL are the three obvious ones that have come through at the moment, Barkley further back but I can't think of too many that have been given a genuine chance on merit (and I don't mean a dead rubber in the Europa League) who have either pushed for a first team place or been sold and are now playing at a decent level, there's a big difference between that and getting a token run out because it's a meaningless game, Gethin Jones for example played in Europe for us, he's currently plying his trade in League Two at Carlisle on a short term deal.
We shouldn't be having players like Niasse, Martina and Harry Charsley near the U23's, no matter how few games they've played, all three have no future (in Charsley's case he's gone now anyway) so shouldn't be taking the place of young players development.
There might be a few knocking on the door next year, but even this season, we've players like Gordon getting on the park but that's only because of our injuries. We've had lots of players that have been highly rated over the years but never make it to the first team and never make it at a decent level after leaving, so they're either overhyped and not good enough in the first place or poorly developed and not moving up to the next level. Something needs to change though, plenty other clubs have good academies and are either getting players into the first team, or moving them on for decent money. No one's arsed about winning Premier League 2, even less so if none of those players are moving up to the first team or moving on for money.
Holgate and DCL didn't play 20 games between them for the u23s did they after we signed them? Hardly like they came through that route and Davies is pretty shit
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Post by: Toddacelli on January 28, 2020, 03:50:31 AM
I think we need an overhaul. Maybe Moshiri should copy the owner of Krasnador who literally spent a fuck ton on the academy so we can turn ours into a Ajax or Bilbao assembly line.
Heres a coach who got access all areas for 2 weeks at Bilbaos academy. It's a great video about youth development.
lolol
"Athletic Bilbo!"
(https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02422/the-hobbit_2422493b.jpg)
Hahahaa!
lolol
Post by: Toddacelli on January 28, 2020, 03:58:08 AM
The only reason I can conceive of is that as the U23 is ultimately there to service the 1st team - that when 1st team players are dropped, it is the preference of the management that they are played, so that when they are recalled to the 1st team - they're not too rusty or unfit.
Post by: Gash on January 28, 2020, 04:08:41 AM
Holgate and DCL didn't play 20 games between them for the u23s did they after we signed them? Hardly like they came through that route and Davies is pretty shit
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No, they probably didn't and I don't think Unsworth can take great credit for developing them but they were bought as academy players and proved that they were better than that pretty quickly.
Post by: Bluedylan on January 28, 2020, 02:43:55 PM
The EPL2 couldn't possibly be less significant. I'd swap 10 of them in a row, for one established first team player of quality that the youth team produces.
Post by: TheRam on January 28, 2020, 02:57:29 PM
The players to come from the under 23s haven’t been managed right by the club when they’ve made the step up.
Post by: mikey_blue on January 28, 2020, 06:55:13 PM
Gibson to sign new deal and hoping to get a loan move before the deadline.
Good of these young lads pushing for a pathway to the first team. The loan market is something we need to be utilising much more effectively.
Post by: TheRam on January 28, 2020, 07:09:01 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on February 01, 2020, 02:49:40 AM
Post by: markB on February 18, 2020, 01:06:56 AM
Post by: sam of the south on February 18, 2020, 02:20:24 AM
Bloody hell, Daz & Snods.
Post by: dazfrancis on February 18, 2020, 03:36:55 AM
Post by: brap2 on February 18, 2020, 03:51:27 AM
Hooooof.
Push and run, push and run.
Post by: BlueForYou on February 22, 2020, 02:24:59 PM
Post by: Toffee1 on February 26, 2020, 10:25:18 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on March 09, 2020, 01:46:59 AM
Simms on target again
Post by: Martip on March 09, 2020, 01:50:32 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on March 09, 2020, 01:59:12 AM
Just turned 21, worth a first team call up
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 09, 2020, 02:09:39 AM
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 09, 2020, 02:55:23 AM
That Gilmour lad in the Chelsea team today makes a mockery of our supposed “Golden Generation”.
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Dowell doesn’t look like a particularly good championship player. JJK won’t make it here either. Lookman is sat on the bench in Germany. Were the others Holgate and DCL?? We don’t actually produce quality young players. Luckily we bought a couple
Post by: Waltzer on March 09, 2020, 03:03:43 AM
Dowell doesn't look like a particularly good championship player. JJK won't make it here either. Lookman is sat on the bench in Germany. Were the others Holgate and DCL?? We don't actually produce quality young players. Luckily we bought a coupleLookman, DCL and Holgate didn't come through our ranks, it's been shit for years. Have we actually bought anyone through of substance since Rooney?
The most successful one in recent years is probably Lundstram and I'm not really how he's ended up where he has as he's had about 100 clubs
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Post by: Hesmenos on March 10, 2020, 04:06:37 AM
Lookman, DCL and Holgate didn't come through our ranks, it's been shit for years. Have we actually bought anyone through of substance since Rooney?Barkley?
The most successful one in recent years is probably Lundstram and I'm not really how he's ended up where he has as he's had about 100 clubs
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Post by: brap2 on May 22, 2020, 06:23:03 PM
Con Ouz given one year extension.
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Post by: Jamokachi on May 23, 2020, 09:22:12 AM
https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1672499/everton-launches-international-academy-affiliate-programme
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 01, 2020, 05:47:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1278262101002407938Link doesn’t work mate
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Post by: Jamokachi on July 02, 2020, 03:10:56 AM
https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1704176/hornby-leaves-everton-for-reims
Post by: brap2 on July 02, 2020, 04:16:46 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 02, 2020, 04:32:08 AM
Good luck Fraser lad.
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Post by: Toffee1 on July 03, 2020, 06:55:19 PM
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Post by: Cereal Killer on July 04, 2020, 01:53:36 AM
He’s 21 and is about 7th choice behind some truly horrible midfielders that can no longer run, what’s the point?
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He’ll boss the u23 league against all those 17/18yr olds and get Unsie another trophy on the CV?
Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2020, 02:41:42 AM
I think we should surely see him out on loan now?
Carlo has hinted in his presser that there are a few other young players who may get a chance towards the end of the season, but right now it's a bit too important.
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Post by: Waltzer on July 04, 2020, 02:50:17 AM
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Post by: van der Meyde on July 04, 2020, 03:45:14 PM
I struggle to get these deals, like others have said he's 21,don't even think he's made the bench when we have 2 keepers on there. He's looked around and got no interest, or anyone willing to pay him what we are so he's decided to stayFrom what I hear, they're trying to do a whole root and branch overhaul of the youth set up.
That involves making the side younger as a whole (eg the likes of Onyango, Dobbin, and Simms before them getting involved), but they're also keen to avoid relegation/keep a relatively solid team for the young lads to play in.
Hence, we've been keeping on some players that otherwise might have been better served out on loan/moving to another club.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 04, 2020, 03:51:44 PM
Then I guess after this phase the age limit will be dropped slightly as we go and as we produce better youth sides to make the group mainly consist of 17-19 with the odd 20yr old hanging around because they either can’t find the right loan or transfer and we’re certain we can get a fee/loan from the right club if we play this system correctly.
Leaving the 17+ to work at the club, the 20+ to break through or loan/sell and the 23+ players wasting their time here a thing of the past?
That’s how the logic is playing out in my head.
Post by: van der Meyde on July 04, 2020, 04:29:01 PM
So it looks like short term we’re phasing out the 23+ and offering a contract to the 21s who show more promise than the rest, the filling the gaps with the best picks from the 17-19 bunch?That's basically it as I understand it, aye.
Then I guess after this phase the age limit will be dropped slightly as we go and as we produce better youth sides to make the group mainly consist of 17-19 with the odd 20yr old hanging around because they either can’t find the right loan or transfer and we’re certain we can get a fee/loan from the right club if we play this system correctly.
Leaving the 17+ to work at the club, the 20+ to break through or loan/sell and the 23+ players wasting their time here a thing of the past?
That’s how the logic is playing out in my head.
As a vague comparison, our average first 11 tends to be around 19.5 years old. At City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea it's more like 17.5-18.5.
Post by: Trowel on July 04, 2020, 04:56:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1279348440011616256
Post by: Toddacelli on July 05, 2020, 02:25:16 AM
So it looks like short term we’re phasing out the 23+ and offering a contract to the 21s who show more promise than the rest, the filling the gaps with the best picks from the 17-19 bunch?
Then I guess after this phase the age limit will be dropped slightly as we go and as we produce better youth sides to make the group mainly consist of 17-19 with the odd 20yr old hanging around because they either can’t find the right loan or transfer and we’re certain we can get a fee/loan from the right club if we play this system correctly.
Leaving the 17+ to work at the club, the 20+ to break through or loan/sell and the 23+ players wasting their time here a thing of the past?
That’s how the logic is playing out in my head.
That's a fucking great post mate.
I'd never really thought about it in that much detail but what you're saying makes a lot of sense to me and has probably given me a much better understanding.
Cheers!
Post by: BlueForYou on July 05, 2020, 03:05:11 AM
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Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2020, 03:31:02 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on July 11, 2020, 03:56:00 PM
FC Twente agree loan for Markelo
Good deal for him this I feel
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 12, 2020, 07:25:45 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 15, 2020, 01:39:30 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 15, 2020, 01:41:23 AM
Wigan are 8-0 up. Dowell has a hat trick and an assistWe murder our players enough for not trying atttudes, Dowell would get murdered by our fans, despite his qualities
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 15, 2020, 02:33:47 AM
Wigan are 8-0 up. Dowell has a hat trick and an assist
A an extra million on his price tag :laugh:
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 15, 2020, 03:25:21 AM
A an extra million on his price tag :laugh:So a million then?
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Post by: TheRam on July 15, 2020, 04:26:15 AM
Technically he is a very good player. Certainly too good for the championship, it’s just about putting it all together.
He’s coming back to a team with a new manager, with no midfield, desperate for a bit of creativity to come from the right.
Maybe all isn’t lost for him here.
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2020, 05:59:31 AM
I remember Riley flagging him the other year as a player who plays similar sorta of passes to KDB, and he's got technique out the yinyang.
But I think he'd be lynched for how passive he is. Makes iwobi look like Peter Reid.
Post by: TheRam on July 15, 2020, 06:03:46 AM
Super talented but one of the most passive players you'll see.
I remember Riley flagging him the other year as a player who plays similar sorta of passes to KDB, and he's got technique out the yinyang.
But I think he'd be lynched for how passive he is. Makes iwobi look like Peter Reid.
That’s armband material for us these days.
Post by: GLewis on July 15, 2020, 01:42:40 PM
Super talented but one of the most passive players you'll see.
I remember Riley flagging him the other year as a player who plays similar sorta of passes to KDB, and he's got technique out the yinyang.
But I think he'd be lynched for how passive he is. Makes iwobi look like Peter Reid.
Yeah think that’s his second hat trick in his different loan spells.
But then he hasn’t always been in the team and you have to think that’s worrying in terms of consistency or application etc.
Post by: BlueForYou on July 15, 2020, 02:20:40 PM
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 15, 2020, 02:38:16 PM
Post by: Waltzer on July 15, 2020, 02:47:30 PM
I like dowell.
Technically he is a very good player. Certainly too good for the championship, it’s just about putting it all together.
He’s coming back to a team with a new manager, with no midfield, desperate for a bit of creativity to come from the right.
Maybe all isn’t lost for him here.
As ive previously said I watched him in an England U21s game which included Tom Davies and he looked miles above him, both in ability and application. Granted it was only one game but he was used in the holding midfield role and his passing was superb and control of the game, maybe he just struggles to replicate that in senior football?
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 15, 2020, 04:34:55 PM
Post by: Shogun on July 15, 2020, 07:47:52 PM
However he is a lovely footballer technically and he’s the same age as Holgate was after his loan at West Brom, so there’s a chance.
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 23, 2020, 03:22:30 PM
Post by: Toddacelli on July 24, 2020, 06:25:30 PM
https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1738349/midfielder-onyango-signs-first-everton-pro-deal
Post by: dazfrancis on July 24, 2020, 06:47:02 PM
I think he was in the latest first team training video that the club put up yesterday.
Beni was also in there too
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 24, 2020, 06:49:23 PM
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Post by: brap2 on July 29, 2020, 03:03:55 PM
Hope he does go and I hope he smashed the arse off it. A good blue and definitely has something he tries to instill in the younger generation, a bit of graft and battle. It's not entirely on him that we've failed to utilise the talents we've produced I don't think, but if we're going to modernise the club we probably do need to look at a different model below the first team.
I was a bit mean when he was interim manager. It wasn't his fault some of our fans are daft and the side are shite.
Post by: Macca77 on July 29, 2020, 03:16:35 PM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 29, 2020, 03:34:30 PM
Post by: markB on July 29, 2020, 10:36:20 PM
I thought dowell was a bit too lightweight lovely player was surprised how his form dipped at forest he was flying for first half of the season hardly played after that
manager change was it not
Post by: brap2 on July 30, 2020, 04:31:41 PM
Post by: Heisenberg on July 30, 2020, 04:37:04 PM
Dowell joins Norwich, undisclosed fee.
Always wanted him to turn good for us. Our record of bringing players through recently is poor. Only just prem standard player we have brought through in about 10 years is Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 30, 2020, 04:42:14 PM
Good luck to him. Hopefully he can play at this level someday
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2020, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 30, 2020, 04:53:39 PM
Also, saw El Pivote say in passing the other day that Dowell was on £25k p/w, told ya
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Post by: Waltzer on July 30, 2020, 05:19:58 PM
It was floating around yesterday with the fee said to be a million, which seems very low, so not sure I believe that.
Also, saw El Pivote say in passing the other day that Dowell was on £25k p/w, told ya
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A million would be ridiculous imo, even in this financial climate
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 30, 2020, 05:30:44 PM
A million would be ridiculous imo, even in this financial climateA million with loads of add-ons with a first team wage of the wage bill, makes it a bit more palatable.
I have no idea where I saw it but saw a something linking him to Norwich and Blackburn, yesterday - which also quoted the £1 million fee. Can’t find the article.
Didn’t even post it on here as it seemed such a tenuous link.
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Post by: Cereal Killer on July 30, 2020, 06:45:59 PM
A million would be ridiculous imo, even in this financial climate
Imagine if he’d have been at the shite, they’d have got at least £10m
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 31, 2020, 02:26:33 AM
Didn’t realise Dowell was in he last year of his contract. That £1m fee could be about right, then.
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No way is 1m right. He’s worth 5-10 with a longer contract maybe half that in his last year. If it’s 1m with a buy back and a sell on clause we can live with that. If it’s just 1m it’s a spectacularly shitty deal. We’d comfortably got 10m for him had we been quicker deciding he wasn’t good enough
Post by: Goaljira on July 31, 2020, 02:27:33 AM
No way is 1m right. He’s worth 5-10 with a longer contract maybe half that in his last year. If it’s 1m with a buy back and a sell on clause we can live with that. If it’s just 1m it’s a spectacularly shitty deal. We’d comfortably got 10m for him had we been quicker deciding he wasn’t good enough
When and from who?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 31, 2020, 03:20:11 AM
When and from who?
Don’t think any of us wouldn’t have considered 10m a big fee for him when he was a highly rated England u21 player. Unfortunately we let him have 3 very average loan moves before deciding he wasn’t good enough so everyone else knew his limitations too.
Post by: Jamokachi on July 31, 2020, 12:46:46 PM
No way is 1m right. He’s worth 5-10 with a longer contract maybe half that in his last year. If it’s 1m with a buy back and a sell on clause we can live with that. If it’s just 1m it’s a spectacularly shitty deal. We’d comfortably got 10m for him had we been quicker deciding he wasn’t good enough
Haha, yea alright big man, whatever you say.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 31, 2020, 01:11:20 PM
Haha, yea alright big man, whatever you say.
HEADLINE: “Dowell to leave on a free after Everton hold out for £5m”
*KNT shakes fist in anger claiming club should have taken the £1m*
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 31, 2020, 01:20:43 PM
Haha, yea alright big man, whatever you say.
Often am but I’m not sure how I feel about you calling me big man. The sexual undertones make me a little uncomfortable xx
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 31, 2020, 01:23:53 PM
HEADLINE: “Dowell to leave on a free after Everton hold out for £5m”
*KNT shakes fist in anger claiming club should have taken the £1m*
Are we really arguing that we wouldn’t have been better off had we sold the likes of garbutt dowell and Pennington years ago?
If I’d of come on a few years ago and said sell him for 5-10m everyone would have said he’s worth more. Now though it’s laughable to suggest we might have been able to get such a massive fee?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 31, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
Are we really arguing that we wouldn’t have been better off had we sold the likes of garbutt dowell and Pennington years ago?
If I’d of come on a few years ago and said sell him for 5-10m everyone would have said he’s worth more. Now though it’s laughable to suggest we might have been able to get such a massive fee?
I don’t think anyone is arguing with that. Once again I think you’re yelling but you’re the only one in the room.
I don’t think you’re arguing about any of the points above here. I think you’re suggesting we could get more than a reported £1m for an almost out of contract player who (for the past 5yrs?) is loaned to the championship and then dropped to the bench after 5 months during each loan.
Either way I don’t really care tbh. I was just poking a bit of fun at a grumpy old man. No offence intended. No hard feelings man.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 31, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
I don’t think anyone is arguing with that. Once again I think you’re yelling but you’re the only one in the room.
I don’t think you’re arguing about any of the points above here. I think you’re suggesting we could get more than a reported £1m for an almost out of contract player who (for the past 5yrs?) is loaned to the championship and then dropped to the bench after 5 months during each loan.
Either way I don’t really care tbh. I was just poking a bit of fun at a grumpy old man. No offence intended. No hard feelings man.
I think 1m is certainly on the low side. The bigger issue though is that he should have been sold years ago. We hold on to substandard young players, pay them more and then either have to give them away or get stuck with them.
I’m really not angry about us getting 1 rather than 5. Just frustrated that as a club we don’t seem to be very good at very much
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 31, 2020, 03:39:38 PM
No Championship is going to spend £10m on a player like this and take-on the financial burden, when they can just loan one from a Prem team. Another negative by-product of bloated Prem team squads.
At a million or two, teams will take a chance on someone like Robinson, Dowell and Williams as they’re getting a good player with a decent chance of still making a profit on them.
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Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 31, 2020, 03:48:31 PM
I think 1m is certainly on the low side. The bigger issue though is that he should have been sold years ago. We hold on to substandard young players, pay them more and then either have to give them away or get stuck with them.
I’m really not angry about us getting 1 rather than 5. Just frustrated that as a club we don’t seem to be very good at very much
I hear ya. They frustrate me pretty much daily with the odd sprinkling of hope and joy to make sure I keep coming back for more punishment.
Post by: Makis on August 01, 2020, 04:08:35 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on August 16, 2020, 02:48:05 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 16, 2020, 04:59:10 PM
Simms netted against Southport and looking razor sharp, with Mr Ancelotti, Big Dunc and Marcel at the game...
He looks a better bet than Kean at this moment in time. May sway a few decisions.
Post by: GLewis on August 16, 2020, 05:09:53 PM
He looks a better bet than Kean at this moment in time. May sway a few decisions.
I haven’t seen Simms play.
But based on that, I’d say that he doesn’t seem a better bet than Kean :)
Post by: TheRam on August 16, 2020, 05:10:36 PM
Post by: GLewis on August 16, 2020, 05:13:38 PM
Southport lads ffs
In a preseason friendly
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 16, 2020, 05:15:16 PM
Post by: Waltzer on August 16, 2020, 05:16:40 PM
We haven't had a player come through our youth system for ages who's ended up good enough to play regular for our first team. Davies but everyone wants shut of him. Holgate DCL and stones were bought in. Lots of hype about players who've fallen shortGordon!?
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Post by: TheRam on August 16, 2020, 05:17:02 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 16, 2020, 05:28:49 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 16, 2020, 05:30:03 PM
Gordon!?
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He’s the 1 coming through but how long before that? Sure I’m probably forgetting someone but it seems like we don’t get anyone good for a long long while.
Post by: GLewis on August 16, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
He’s the 1 coming through but how long before that? Sure I’m probably forgetting someone but it seems like we don’t get anyone good for a long long while.
Would have been Barkley
Post by: TheRam on August 16, 2020, 05:39:19 PM
Not to mention people like Robinson, Williams, dowell, lundstram who are all good players that had to leave to get the opportunity as they just weren’t ready at the right time here.
That’s a decent return to be fair but it could be better.
Post by: GLewis on August 16, 2020, 05:43:39 PM
Barkley, davies, Kenny, now Gordon.
Not to mention people like Robinson, Williams, dowell, lundstram who are all good players that had to leave to get the opportunity as they just weren’t ready at the right time here.
That’s a decent return to be fair but it could be better.
Always done well at producing players who have decent professional careers.
Next step is making decent money off them.
Then next one is players who have good careers at the club.
But it’s not so easy, most clubs go through periods of not producing many players for their team.
Post by: brap2 on August 16, 2020, 06:20:31 PM
He looks a better bet than Kean at this moment in time. May sway a few decisions.
What an outlandish thing to say
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 16, 2020, 06:37:05 PM
Barkley, davies, Kenny, now Gordon.
Not to mention people like Robinson, Williams, dowell, lundstram who are all good players that had to leave to get the opportunity as they just weren’t ready at the right time here.
That’s a decent return to be fair but it could be better.
It’s a pretty crappy list. Not 1 good enough to play for a top 6 side (With Barkley struggling to establish himself at Chelsea) and only Barkley good enough for us really. Is that about 10 years of our youth system right there. What throw in Rooney hibbert osman and Rodwell and it’s 20 years plus
Post by: TheRam on August 16, 2020, 06:51:34 PM
It’s a pretty crappy list. Not 1 good enough to play for a top 6 side (With Barkley struggling to establish himself at Chelsea) and only Barkley good enough for us really. Is that about 10 years of our youth system right there. What throw in Rooney hibbert osman and Rodwell and it’s 20 years plus
Try and approach the discu