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NSNO Forums => The Everton Forum => Topic started by: Jimmywhack on January 31, 2017, 11:07:57 PM
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Seems to be getting more and more interest lately regarding how they get on, signings etc so a thread maybe nice to keep upto date
I'll kick it off with this assured pen last night
https://twitter.com/simonwatt1/status/826169435413237760
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Their last game of the season is against Liverpool. If they can or already have won the league by then we should totally have that game at Goodison
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HAHA!. Looks like a penalty for my u12 days
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Are we six clear now?
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Seems to be getting more and more interest lately regarding how they get on, signings etc so a thread maybe nice to keep upto date
I'll kick it off with this assured pen last night
https://twitter.com/simonwatt1/status/826169435413237760
Give that lad the armband
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Their last game of the season is against Liverpool. If they can or already have won the league by then we should totally have that game at Goodison
Got a message on twitter about this, I have put it to the fans forum to see if there's anything we can do to persuade for that to happen, it may already be in the planning though.
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Got a message on twitter about this, I have put it to the fans forum to see if there's anything we can do to persuade for that to happen, it may already be in the planning though.
They've got my vote Bally - make sure you tell them that!
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Good shout Jim. Was thinking given the increasing importance placed on the U23s by the club, we should have a thread.
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That penalty is mint. I can smell the Utd keepers fume from here. Twat.
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That penalty is mint. I can smell the Utd keepers fume from here. Twat.
Serves their keeper right giving it the big one. He looks a bit feisty young Sambou. :)
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Who played 14 last night? Someone on a Utd forum said they couldn't cope with him at all
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Who played 14 last night? Someone on a Utd forum said they couldn't cope with him at all
Donkor
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Donkor
Lookman on one wing and Donkor on the other. Bright future if they live up to the hype.
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Just seen Sambou's other goal on youtube, looks an exciting player.
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Are we six clear now?
Yep, City who are 2nd drew 3-3
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Donkor
It was Sambou - Donkor was No 11.
He looks an exciting prospect does Sambou, quick and has an eye for goal.
Liam Walsh has looked a tidy player whenever I've seen him too.
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City won earlier to cut the gap to 3 points. Our U23s are in action against Arsenal, and just went up 1-0 in the 86th minute through Nathan Broadhead. Looks like that's the final, so we restore the 6 point lead atop the table!
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City won earlier to cut the gap to 3 points. Our U23s are in action against Arsenal, and just went up 1-0 in the 86th minute through Nathan Broadhead. Looks like that's the final, so we restore the 6 point lead atop the table!
Thought broadbend had left
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Sam Byrne played, been out for ages good to see him back playing.
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Six points clear.
Impressive
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Am i right in thinking there are 6 games left?
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Am i right in thinking there are 6 games left?
Looks like it. Southampton, at Manchester City, at Derby, Tottenham, at Chelsea, and Liverpool. The City game is massive, as we could potentially open up a 9 point gap with four games remaining, and conceivably wrap up the title the following match.
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Thought broadbend had left
Nope there was an Echo article on hima couple of weeks ago, he's another they've high hopes for
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City won earlier to cut the gap to 3 points. Our U23s are in action against Arsenal, and just went up 1-0 in the 86th minute through Nathan Broadhead. Looks like that's the final, so we restore the 6 point lead atop the table!
Sounded like awful conditions, the report I read said Donkor struggled a bit last night but the defense was absolutely unbreakable lead expertly by Matthew Pennington
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The future is looking really good
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The future is looking really good
We just need to make sure we utilise the loan system well to ensure we get decent amounts for ones who won't make it here. Like the shite seem to do.
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Thought broadbend had left
Nathan Holland left to join West Ham. Broadhead is meant to be very highly rated. Natural goalscorer (I read somewhere) apparently.
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Nathan Holland left to join West Ham. Broadhead is meant to be very highly rated. Natural goalscorer (I read somewhere) apparently.
Thought Id read two lads had played for Stoke (I think) with the thoughts of leaving
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Thought Id read two lads had played for Stoke (I think) with the thoughts of leaving
was definitely 2. I read that article. No clue who though
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-duo-trial-stoke-city-12535086.amp
Bainbridge broadbend
Tomato tomatoe
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Pennington seems to be getting lots of plaudits today. I know he's been injured for a while and he's now 22 but is he good enough to make it? Anyone seen much of him? He seemed to be overlooked in the Browning/Stones/Holgate hype.
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Unsworth is hugely impressed with him. :)
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/02/07/faultless-pennington-led-the-way
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Is he a big lad? What we seem to lack at the minute are commanding presences and height. Holgate looks good but not the height to be a commanding centre half, Williams similarly. Mori needs upgrading but we lack proper physical presences. Schneiderlin has helped in that respect.
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Pennington coming in for some serious praise.
Always impressed me when I've seen him play. He got an injury at the worst possible time.
I think he'll be in contention of Baines gets injured.
I do worry that he and browning may get lost in the shuffle.
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Pennington coming in for some serious praise.
Always impressed me when I've seen him play. He got an injury at the worst possible time.
I think he'll be in contention of Baines gets injured.
I do worry that he and browning may get lost in the shuffle.
Pennington is right footed though ain't he? I'm not sure if he'll come into the same category as Galloway/Garbutt/Robinson on the left.
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Pennington is right footed though ain't he? I'm not sure if he'll come into the same category as Galloway/Garbutt/Robinson on the left.
Galloways out on loan.
Garbutt trains with the under 23s
And is Robinson any good? Can't say I've heard of him tbh
Pennington is already very versatile so I think he could perform the role if required
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Thought Id read two lads had played for Stoke (I think) with the thoughts of leaving
How unfortunate for them, I could think of nothing worse
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Pennington impressed me when he played under RM.
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Pennington reminds me of jagielka in terms of size and pace. he is a CB isn't he?
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Pennington seems to be getting lots of plaudits today. I know he's been injured for a while and he's now 22 but is he good enough to make it? Anyone seen much of him? He seemed to be overlooked in the Browning/Stones/Holgate hype.
Only seen him limited times but I dont think he will make it at us, seems the type that will end up going to a Championship team and could then rise into becoming a premier league level defender. He isnt massive, not small either but I'm unsure whether he lacks a bit of pace but certainly seems like he knows how to defend when ive seen him at various levels.
Given we are heavily linked with Keane and VVD, looked like we tried for Manolas etc a major centre half signing is one of our priorities. If we get that signing, have Williams, Mori, Holgate ahead of him then it's hard to see where he will get many games. At his age 22 it is getting to the point where he is that far down the order that he himself must be thinking is it better to look down the Forshaw route and go and play week in week out at a lower level and build a career.
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Only seen him limited times but I dont think he will make it at us, seems the type that will end up going to a Championship team and could then rise into becoming a premier league level defender. He isnt massive, not small either but I'm unsure whether he lacks a bit of pace but certainly seems like he knows how to defend when ive seen him at various levels.
Given we are heavily linked with Keane and VVD, looked like we tried for Manolas etc a major centre half signing is one of our priorities. If we get that signing, have Williams, Mori, Holgate ahead of him then it's hard to see where he will get many games. At his age 22 it is getting to the point where he is that far down the order that he himself must be thinking is it better to look down the Forshaw route and go and play week in week out at a lower level and build a career.
Let's get him out on loan to a decent championship side so that we can put him in the shop window and get some proper money for him then. Letting his contract run down after a stint at somewhere like Oxford is what the old Everton used to do with our half decent prospects.
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Let's get him out on loan to a decent championship side so that we can put him in the shop window and get some proper money for him then. Letting his contract run down after a stint at somewhere like Oxford is what the old Everton used to do with our half decent prospects.
Bournemouth were willing to pay 6m for a lad from Liverpool who barely played for Liverpool..... we really don't make enough money off our young lads
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Bournemouth were willing to pay 6m for a lad from Liverpool who barely played for Liverpool..... we really don't make enough money off our young lads
They also got £15m for a lad who had barely done anything but just because Rodgers called him the new Raheem Sterling it got everyone excited.
We'll never get the value the shite get but something would be nice.
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Much rather we do right by the academy graduates that don't make the grade here and look to set them on the best career path for themselves rather than worry about making a few million pound here and there.
We've a duty of career after all and still need to help them make the most of their career and talent as an when a decision is made to move them on.
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Galloways out on loan.
Garbutt trains with the under 23s
And is Robinson any good? Can't say I've heard of him tbh
Pennington is already very versatile so I think he could perform the role if required
Highly rated Robinson, despite being mega young like 17/18 I think??
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Much rather we do right by the academy graduates that don't make the grade here and look to set them on the best career path for themselves rather than worry about making a few million pound here and there.
We've a duty of career after all and still need to help them make the most of their career and talent as an when a decision is made to move them on.
Which is why striving to send them out on loan at the highest possible level is the best we can do for them. I clearly don't know the ins and outs but players like Ledson for example, who was highly rated by everyone not just within the club but at international level, finds himself at Oxford and others like him find themselves lost in the lower leagues. Whereas the shite's obscure reserves find themselves still at a decent level when they move on.
I think the more professional setup we have now will reap dividends not just for us but for the kids as well.
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They also got £15m for a lad who had barely done anything but just because Rodgers called him the new Raheem Sterling it got everyone excited.
We'll never get the value the shite get but something would be nice.
I feel sorry for these young lads with the terrible black stain on their souls.....
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Which is why striving to send them out on loan at the highest possible level is the best we can do for them. I clearly don't know the ins and outs but players like Ledson for example, who was highly rated by everyone not just within the club but at international level, finds himself at Oxford and others like him find themselves lost in the lower leagues. Whereas the shite's obscure reserves find themselves still at a decent level when they move on.
I think the more professional setup we have now will reap dividends not just for us but for the kids as well.
No sending them to the club that offers them the best possible opportunities of advancement is the right thing to for them, you only have to see how Galloway has fared this season at West Brom to see that. If he'd have gone to Newcastle or Derby it's likely he'd have came back in the summer with 40 odd senior games under his belt rather than having spent 40 odd games sat on his backside. Sadly we decided to prioritise the money over the players advancement and we and him will be worse off for it in the long run.
I can't believe youre making a comparison to the shite as well. Our academy has proven far superior over the last 20+ years in comparison to theirs. We've produced footballers fit for the premiership time and again in that period, saving ourselves multiple millions in the process, as well as launching dozens of local kids into professional football.
It's a ridiculous point, the sale of Wayne Rooney alone has probably eclipsed whatever the shite have gained from their graduate sales in the last 20 years, that's before you factor in the fees for Rodwell, Anichebe, Vaughan.....
All we need to do is carry on doing right by individual like we have been, it's clearly working.
Do right by each and every graduate and don't treat them as pieces of meat.
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No sending them to the club that offers them the best possible opportunities of advancement is the right thing to for them, you only have to see how Galloway has fared this season at West Brom to see that. If he'd have gone to Newcastle or Derby it's likely he'd have came back in the summer with 40 odd senior games under his belt rather than having spent 40 odd games sat on his backside. Sadly we decided to prioritise the money over the players advancement and we and him will be worse off for it in the long run.
I can't believe youre making a comparison to the shite as well. Our academy has proven far superior over the last 20+ years in comparison to theirs. We've produced footballers fit for the premiership time and again in that period, saving ourselves multiple millions in the process, as well as launching dozens of local kids into professional football.
It's a ridiculous point, the sale of Wayne Rooney alone has probably eclipsed whatever the shite have gained from their graduate sales in the last 20 years, that's before you factor in the fees for Rodwell, Anichebe, Vaughan.....
All we need to do is carry on doing right by individual like we have been, it's clearly working.
Do right by each and every graduate and don't treat them as pieces of meat.
There was nothing wrong with the Galloway loan in principle, he'd be getting valuable experience at the top level under a defensive manager. He started the season playing in the 1st team but a run of poor form and the failure to put in a recall clause meant it wasn't as beneficial as planned. It was definitely worth a shot.
As I said, the new setup we have across the whole club will benefit everyone concerned now from top to bottom.
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What actually happened with Ledson? He was regarded as the brightest midfielder in Britain; did he just not kick on when needed?
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There was nothing wrong with the Galloway loan in principle, he'd be getting valuable experience at the top level under a defensive manager. He started the season playing in the 1st team but a run of poor form and the failure to put in a recall clause meant it wasn't as beneficial as planned. It was definitely worth a shot.
As I said, the new setup we have across the whole club will benefit everyone concerned now from top to bottom.
What apart from the simple fact Pulis has no history of developing young talent?
He was taken in as back up when they had an injury crisis and as soon as senior players were fit they took his place. It wasn't to do with form that he was dropped, because Galloways form was fine, in fact they did quite well in the 3 games he started in if I recall correctly. It was just a poor choice of club and just because they're a premiership club, a "big club", shouldn't come into it for what should be obvious reasons.
I'm also pretty sure you can't place a recall option when it's a long term loan is between two premiership clubs.
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Much rather we do right by the academy graduates that don't make the grade here and look to set them on the best career path for themselves rather than worry about making a few million pound here and there.
We've a duty of career after all and still need to help them make the most of their career and talent as an when a decision is made to move them on.
Was about to say the very same. Thankfully I think this is the attitude we have, the Jose Baxter situation being an indication of such.
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Common knowledge that Galloway was struggling during his minutes there and in general West Brom fans don't have a fucking clue why they signed him.
It takes three to tango. They wanted him, he wanted to go, we wanted him to prove that he's Prem standard. Let's get the deal done.
I don't remember anyone moaning that he went there, with many enthused that it was smart business. At the end of the day it's Galloway' a fault that he can't overtake Chris Brunt as West Brom's left back.
Seems like someone continues to make shit up just to argue with people on the internet.
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What apart from the simple fact Pulis has no history of developing young talent?
He was taken in as back up when they had an injury crisis and as soon as senior players were fit they took his place. It wasn't to do with form that he was dropped, because Galloways form was fine, in fact they did quite well in the 3 games he started in if I recall correctly. It was just a poor choice of club and just because they're a premiership club, a "big club", shouldn't come into it for what should be obvious reasons.
I'm also pretty sure you can't place a recall option when it's a long term loan is between two premiership clubs.
Chelsea did with ake which is why they brought him back in January.
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Re: Galloway, I think it's pretty evident (with the benefit of hindsight) that a move to the Championship would have been better for the lad. He's not quite Premier League week in week out standard yet, christ he came to us from MK Dons... that's a big step, especially for a defender. Getting regular games for Newcastle or Derby etc would have been hugely beneficial to his development, as well as confidence.
At West Brom he's behind some good players in that West Brom team, guys who are having a great season. There's no shame in not being able to force his way in. Neither is he a left back by trade. We played him there and he looked alright but he's a centre back. Given Pulis' penchant for absolute cloggers at the back does Galloway actually fit the mold?
More realistically West Brom saw a cheap option of providing cover for their defence. If we are interested in the development of the player and see him as a long term option this isn't good for us. Neither is it good for the player.
Perhaps we don't see his future with us? Perhaps we were lead on by West Brom and this was their intentions all along? Perhaps Pulis simply doesn't rate Galloway as much as he thought he did and plans have changed?
If we do see his future with us, then West Brom was the wrong option. That much is obvious.
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Chelsea did with ake which is why they brought him back in January.
Which is weird because there really used to be a rule like that.
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Love this, this is exactly what I do with my under 14 side http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-evertons-young-players-banned-12569456
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http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/02/08/blues-urged-to-support-inspirational-u23s
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http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/02/08/blues-urged-to-support-inspirational-u23s
Half term as well Monday night sorted
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http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/02/08/blues-urged-to-support-inspirational-u23s
Do they serve bevvies at U23 games?
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Don;t know if he's still U23 but Conor McAleny scored a hattrick for Oxford United yesterday
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Don;t know if he's still U23 but Conor McAleny scored a hattrick for Oxford United yesterday
He's in the U33's these days.
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He's in the U33's these days.
With Yakubu
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http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10785303/future-is-bright-for-everton
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Big game against City tonight in the league. Think it's streamed live on the club's FB page, if anyone wants to watch.
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Big game against City tonight in the league. Think it's streamed live on the club's FB page, if anyone wants to watch.
Nice one, will give it a watch.
Some Everton away trip gang are all going to Derby away to see them potentially clinch the title. Great fans.
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streamed on Citys fb page https://www.facebook.com/mancity/?fref=ts
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Diaz for them looks v good. We havent got going yet at all.
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Must be quite a shit game if the highlights are showing the game next door through the stands.
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Draw will do us here and keep the 6 pt lead.
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Losing 1-0 :(
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2-0 *sigh*
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Ah nooo 0-2 :(
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Gotta be honest we look dreadful tonight.
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0-3 WTF has happened to the defence.
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It's a night to learn from, then forget.
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We seemed to have a couple of losses of concentration at the back and they took full advantage with some neat footwork and finishes.
Hopefully the lads wont take it too hard and come back strong.
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Gap now 3 pts?
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Gap now 3 pts?
Yeah an we have Chelsea and the shite to play hahah hope we don't bottle it!!
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At least it sounds like Besic and Calvert Lewin are fit enough to start playing in the U23s now, should help going in to their last 3 games.
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At least it sounds like Besic and Calvert Lewin are fit enough to start playing in the U23s now, should help going in to their last 3 games.
Depends how much the club want to win the league but Holgate, Davies and Lookman could be drafted in for the last couple of games surely?
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Depends how much the club want to win the league but Holgate, Davies and Lookman could be drafted in for the last couple of games surely?
Absolutely no point in that, if they weren't getting a game for the First team then sure but it's not like they're just sitting on the bench and not coming on.
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Yeah an we have Chelsea and the shite to play hahah hope we don't bottle it!!
We have the shite last game don't we?
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We have the shite last game don't we?
Yup fans forum trying to get it moved to goodison
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Is the Chelsea game away ? Hope so,they play their home games at Aldershots ground,only a couple of miles away from me,will pop along & give the lads some support.
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Absolutely no point in that, if they weren't getting a game for the First team then sure but it's not like they're just sitting on the bench and not coming on.
Holgates not had much game time of late, it won't do him any harm
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Absolutely no point in that, if they weren't getting a game for the First team then sure but it's not like they're just sitting on the bench and not coming on.
You don't seem to understand ! NSNO
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You don't seem to understand ! NSNO
It's the rezzies, mate. The aim is purely to make players ready for the first team. If you already are in the first team squad every week, there's nothing to be gained by playing there.
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It's the rezzies, mate. The aim is purely to make players ready for the first team. If you already are in the first team squad every week, there's nothing to be gained by playing there.
There's nothing to be gained from sitting on the bench week in week out at this stage of the season either. It won't do any of the lads mentioned any harm at all to have a proper 90 minute runout.
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There's nothing to be gained from sitting on the bench week in week out at this stage of the season either. It won't do any of the lads mentioned any harm at all to have a proper 90 minute runout.
Tom Davies is playing every week. Lookman is either starting or coming on (in general) Holgate maybe could do with a game
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There's nothing to be gained from sitting on the bench week in week out at this stage of the season either. It won't do any of the lads mentioned any harm at all to have a proper 90 minute runout.
Lookman and Davies play regularly.
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It's the rezzies, mate. The aim is purely to make players ready for the first team. If you already are in the first team squad every week, there's nothing to be gained by playing there.
Sorry I cannot see your point ,if the u23's win the league then it will instill a winning mentality that can't be bought and would far outweigh any -well let's be honest here ( no chance ) of going higher in the prem
,plus it wouldn't hurt any of the players chances of "regaining " their places.
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,plus it wouldn't hurt any of the players chances of "regaining " their places.
"Regaining"? What the hell are we talking about? Lookman and Davies are first team regulars, there's been the one game where Lookman didn't even come off the bench, but other than that, they're playing in every game.
Would it help them develop a winning mentality by winning a kids competition nobody cares about? Or would it help the kids that the "big boys" come down and win the league for them? How?
And what sort of message would that send out anyway? "You're nice lads but we don't trust you to win the league on your own, so we've brought in some help for you."
Let them bounce back after a poor performance and win it under their own steam. They're more than capable of it.
That, and only that would be of any use to them as professionals.
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"Regaining"? What the hell are we talking about? Lookman and Davies are first team regulars, there's been the one game where Lookman didn't even come off the bench, but other than that, they're playing in every game.
Would it help them develop a winning mentality by winning a kids competition nobody cares about? Or would it help the kids that the "big boys" come down and win the league for them? How?
And what sort of message would that send out anyway? "You're nice lads but we don't trust you to win the league on your own, so we've brought in some help for you."
Let them bounce back after a poor performance and win it under their own steam. They're more than capable of it.
That, and only that would be of any use to them as professionals.
Well I see the point you are making ,let me clarify it for my sake . First you think that it is a competition that no one cares about ! ask the lads and Unsy .Second you think that them playing against kids would be a "drop down" for Lookman and Davies ! That is what they are and they most probably will not hold down a regular place yet anyway .Thirdly you also think that them playing two games is going to change the achievement for the u23's ! They must be already pissed because they had Niasse scoring a few goals and Davies played a lot of games for them already .Thought about this whilst writing and it seems you don't understand
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Lookman and Davies play regularly.
Holgate was the only one mentioned wasn't he. That's who I was referring to, he could do with a runout.
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Holgate was the only one mentioned wasn't he. That's who I was referring to, he could do with a runout.
Yes, he definitely could.
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Holgate is very poor centre half.
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Holgate is very poor centre half.
Mate he's 20 years old!
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I'm still struggling to see what exactly Holgate will progress to be. He's not got the physique to be a centre half really but he looks decent in a back 3, which doesn't lend itself to much game time. He could probably mould himself into a Kyle Walker type player who's more competent defensively but then Coleman has got plenty of miles left on the clock. I dunno.
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Mate he's 20 years old!
I know that.
His age is irrelevant to the discussion though.
He's been as poor as, if not worse, than mori and Williams.
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I know that.
His age is irrelevant to the discussion though.
He's been as poor as, if not worse, than mori and Williams.
I think you are just winding us up .How can age be irrelevant ? even you were a kid once .I would play him more than Ronald as I think he has a lot to offer and more when he gets experience and I am sure he will get more time soon
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I think you are just winding us up .How can age be irrelevant ? even you were a kid once .I would play him more than Ronald as I think he has a lot to offer and more when he gets experience and I am sure he will get more time soon
Because we are talking about him coming into the team now.
In my opinion he has been as poor as Williams and Mori this season when played centre half. He clearly isn't ready to be playing there regularly.
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Because we are talking about him coming into the team now.
Are we?
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Are Mori and Williams very poor centre halves? 5 clean sheets in 8. Wales and Argentina internationals. We've got a very good defensive record this season. Quite the miracle given how terrible our defenders and keeper are
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Are Mori and Williams very poor centre halves? 5 clean sheets in 8. Wales and Argentina internationals. We've got a very good defensive record this season. Quite the miracle given how terrible our defenders and keeper are
Heitinga played in a World Cup final.
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Think Holgate as been Boss lads, not been on the losing side, and had one bad 1st half against Stoke , when they all played shite..........
everyone was raving about him ...........
we have one really bad game against Spurs when everyone was awful apart from Ross and this place goes into meltdown
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I dont think Holgate has been quite as bad as ram says and I don't think he has been boss either
Somewhere in between, which would be expected in his first Pl season
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Holgate has been as good as your going to get from a defefender of his age. I really rate him but he's going to have poor games
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Holgate has been as good as your going to get from a defefender of his age. I really rate him but he's going to have poor games
I've not seen that many e's since the 051 was closed down..
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Heitinga played in a World Cup final.
No these players have been part of our very successful defence this season. You'd think they'd spent the season conceding goals and shitting in everyone's kettles the way people on here talk about them. I'm not talking about a 6 game competition where you only play 3 sides of similar quality
Joel, Williams and Mori have all been part of our success this season. That doesn't mean we shouldn't sign better/competition but it probably does mean claims that they are shit are wide of the mark and comments like "I hate him" a little odd
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No these players have been part of our very successful defence this season. You'd think they'd spent the season conceding goals and shitting in everyone's kettles the way people on here talk about them. I'm not talking about a 6 game competition where you only play 3 sides of similar quality
Joel, Williams and Mori have all been part of our success this season. That doesn't mean we shouldn't sign better/competition but it probably does mean claims that they are shit are wide of the mark and comments like "I hate him" a little odd
Well, saying that you hate a player who tries his best is a little odd, whether they're any good or not.
And I certainly don't sign up to the whole good-shit spectrum stuff at all. You can't reduce a player's ability to just one number representing his quality.
The way I see it (and I'm probably wrong) is that Williams and Mori are quite dependable up to a point. But if you put pressure on them beyond that point, they crumble. Like Mori against Spurs, we know his passing ability is virtually non-existent, which is normally not a massive deal, except when the opposition targets it.
So it is quite possible that we'd be better off overall with defenders who aren't even as dependable against (for want of a better word) "lesser" teams but their performance degrades less dramatically against tough opposition.
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Well, saying that you hate a player who tries his best is a little odd, whether they're any good or not.
And I certainly don't sign up to the whole good-shit spectrum stuff at all. You can't reduce a player's ability to just one number representing his quality.
The way I see it (and I'm probably wrong) is that Williams and Mori are quite dependable up to a point. But if you put pressure on them beyond that point, they crumble. Like Mori against Spurs, we know his passing ability is virtually non-existent, which is normally not a massive deal, except when the opposition targets it.
So it is quite possible that we'd be better off overall with defenders who aren't even as dependable against (for want of a better word) "lesser" teams but their performance degrades less dramatically against tough opposition.
Have you seen Mori passing stats for the Spurs game?
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Have you seen Mori passing stats for the Spurs game?
No, please enlighten me.
But what I saw was clear: Spurs kept forcing him to try one of his hopeful balls into nowhere by closing down all his easy options.
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No, please enlighten me.
But what I saw was clear: Spurs kept forcing him to try one of his hopeful balls into nowhere by closing down all his easy options.
Theyre out there for everyone to see I'm sure you're more than familiar with google.
Do you think we targeted Alderweireld or Vertonghen?
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Plenty of hyperbole going on here
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Theyre out there for everyone to see I'm sure you're more than familiar with google.
Do you think we targeted Alderweireld or Vertonghen?
No, because we didn't.
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Okay, @Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316), this is just for you.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/121221/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Noticed the conspicuous absence of blue arrows pointing in the opposition half and the large number of reds in comparison?
Now, let's take a look at Vertonghen.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/39194/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Hmm, that does look quite different. But maybe it's just a general reflection of how poor we were. Surely, Williams's forward passing must have been similarly wayward.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/19159/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Ermm, nope. But note how Williams didn't even try to put the ball over the halfway line.
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Okay, @Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316), this is just for you.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/121221/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Noticed the conspicuous absence of blue arrows pointing in the opposition half and the large number of reds in comparison?
Now, let's take a look at Vertonghen.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/39194/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Hmm, that does look quite different. But maybe it's just a general reflection of how poor we were. Surely, Williams's forward passing must have been similarly wayward.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2016/matches/855438/player-stats/19159/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Ermm, nope. But note how Williams didn't even try to put the ball over the halfway line.
Hmmm missed Alderweireld off deliberately or couldn't you find him? Forget the fact Williams only passed the ball about 30 times compared to Mori playing it 60ish? Did you bother seeing the pass completing stats between Vertonghen and Mori?
Good to know you're googles back up though!
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Hmmm missed Alderweireld off deliberately or couldn't you find him?
Alderweireld failed with quite a few of his forward passes, but we put absolutely no pressure on him. And he still succeeded with more.
Forget the fact Williams only passed the ball about 30 times compared to Mori playing it 60ish?
Exactamundo, my dear @Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316). It is precisely what I'm talking about. They were happy for Mori to have the ball and give it to them. Thank you for confirming it. :)
Did you bother seeing the pass completing stats between Vertonghen and Mori?
No, because they are meaningless for central defenders, seeing as they mostly pass between each other. As everybody who knows anything about football knows.
It's always better to believe your eyes rather than relying on the narrow sliver of information these boiled down stats give you.
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Anyway, how about those table topping U23s eh?
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Hmmm missed Alderweireld off deliberately or couldn't you find him? Forget the fact Williams only passed the ball about 30 times compared to Mori playing it 60ish? Did you bother seeing the pass completing stats between Vertonghen and Mori?
Good to know you're googles back up though!
You can't use how many passes someone has over the other centre half when Spurs clearly left mori open to force us to him and closed down options to get it to other people. Centre half passing % should be very high as most of the time it's to their centre half partner, keeper or midfielder a few yards away.
i haven't reviewed the stats but I don't need to remember the number of times mori put it straight out, easier passes didn't go near men. One of his problems is he seems to have grand ideas he is a footballing centre half so instead of when he is stuck with no pass on and under pressure just playing the percentage ball of say putting it in the channel he tries something he shouldn't.
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Holgate playing tonight...
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You can't use how many passes someone has over the other centre half when Spurs clearly left mori open to force us to him and closed down options to get it to other people. Centre half passing % should be very high as most of the time it's to their centre half partner, keeper or midfielder a few yards away.
i haven't reviewed the stats but I don't need to remember the number of times mori put it straight out, easier passes didn't go near men. One of his problems is he seems to have grand ideas he is a footballing centre half so instead of when he is stuck with no pass on and under pressure just playing the percentage ball of say putting it in the channel he tries something he shouldn't.
Must be getting told to play it, can't see Koeman not just seeing his arse after the second or third one.
jags Williams and him are all guilty of the feckless punt, Williams even cleared a ball directly into the middle of the pitch at the weekend.
Fell straight to their 10, luckily enough it was some clogger and not hazard or god forbid coutinho.
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winning 1- 0 already
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Sambou 1-0 15mins
City winning 1-0 @ Arsenal
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1-1.
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Err, now 2-1 down.
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City winning 2-1
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Oh dear
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city 2-2
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city winning again 3-2
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fucking this up arent we
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2-2 now
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winning 3-2 hahahah come onnnn
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Crazy games tonight.
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Yes the lads
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Liam Walsh with a pen off the back of his player of the month award... I really hope he makes it
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David Henen lives.
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Great win.
What a job unsworth is doing
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Amazing result - not Everton that!
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And Arsenal have equalised, 3-3!!
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5pt gap now Arsenal Equaliser 97th Min
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get the fuck in!!
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How did Holgate play? Shit?
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Now thats how to take a pen
https://twitter.com/WM_TotalFutbol/status/841474365699039232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Now thats how to take a pen
https://twitter.com/WM_TotalFutbol/status/841474365699039232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Agreed. The Sambou one the other week will get more discussion because of what it looks like but thats a proper penalty. Power and accuracy like that can't be saved.
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Also, two very well worked goals
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Agreed. The Sambou one the other week will get more discussion because of what it looks like but thats a proper penalty. Power and accuracy like that can't be saved.
Kepper went the right way and was absolutely nowhere near it!!!
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I can see unsworth getting a managers job in the near future.
Stubbs got the hibs job doing a much worse job.
Obviously I'd like him to stay and continue his good work but it'll be interesting to see how he gets on.
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I can see unsworth getting a managers job in the near future.
Stubbs got the hibs job doing a much worse job.
Obviously I'd like him to stay and continue his good work but it'll be interesting to see how he gets on.
I've wondered for a while why there isn't a loan system for coaches like there is for players.
We could send unsy somewhere for 2 years for example.
It'd be cheap for the hiring club as they wouldn't have to pay full manager wages, there wouldn't be potential compensation packages etc. should things not be working out and they'd have access to up and coming coaches from the top clubs.
The coaches would have to take a potential hit on what they might be earning if they were working independently (outside of the loan system) but they might be offered more opportunities if the financial risk is lower and therefore gain more exposure.
Meanwhile we would get to see these coaches in the real world.
I think part of the reason may be that there's still a need in England to think that your manager might be there for 5-10 years and therefore a short term loan isn't ideal. But I think everything is moving away from this so maybe it will happen?
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I've wondered for a while why there isn't a loan system for coaches like there is for players.
We could send unsy somewhere for 2 years for example.
It'd be cheap for the hiring club as they wouldn't have to pay full manager wages, there wouldn't be potential compensation packages etc. should things not be working out and they'd have access to up and coming coaches from the top clubs.
The coaches would have to take a potential hit on what they might be earning if they were working independently (outside of the loan system) but they might be offered more opportunities if the financial risk is lower and therefore gain more exposure.
Meanwhile we would get to see these coaches in the real world.
I think part of the reason may be that there's still a need in England to think that your manager might be there for 5-10 years and therefore a short term loan isn't ideal. But I think everything is moving away from this so maybe it will happen?
This is a brilliant idea.
Phone the FA immediately.
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I've wondered for a while why there isn't a loan system for coaches like there is for players.
We could send unsy somewhere for 2 years for example.
It'd be cheap for the hiring club as they wouldn't have to pay full manager wages, there wouldn't be potential compensation packages etc. should things not be working out and they'd have access to up and coming coaches from the top clubs.
The coaches would have to take a potential hit on what they might be earning if they were working independently (outside of the loan system) but they might be offered more opportunities if the financial risk is lower and therefore gain more exposure.
Meanwhile we would get to see these coaches in the real world.
I think part of the reason may be that there's still a need in England to think that your manager might be there for 5-10 years and therefore a short term loan isn't ideal. But I think everything is moving away from this so maybe it will happen?
I think conflict of interest is probably the biggest one. A player going out on loan can't really change much. A manager has quite a bit of influence.
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Now thats how to take a pen
https://twitter.com/WM_TotalFutbol/status/841474365699039232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Pretty much everything we do in those highlights runs through Dowell. Can't wait to see him play with the first team again.
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I think conflict of interest is probably the biggest one. A player going out on loan can't really change much. A manager has quite a bit of influence.
Yes maybe.
You could limit it to clubs outside of your division although there'd still be potential cup matches to consider.
I'd be surprised if that was the reason it doesn't happen though.
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Pretty much everything we do in those highlights runs through Dowell. Can't wait to see him play with the first team again.
Dowell is definitely someone worth keeping on until he's 22/23 even if it's not obvious that he's going to make it.
Much like Ossie, that type of player who isn't that fast needs time and matches to appreciate what they need to do to get round this.
Hopefully we can find him a club on loan who will play him all the time to get him some of that experience.
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Pretty much everything we do in those highlights runs through Dowell. Can't wait to see him play with the first team again.
He looked a class above when I watched the under 23s the other week.
His touch, passing, and vision was on another level.
But, his lack of physicality will let him down at premier league level.
Needs a loan out next year in the championship.
Technically though it's all there.
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With 3 matches left, we're 5 points up on City. Unfortunately, the next round of fixtures is 4 weeks out. But a win at home vs Spurs gives the U23s the title if City fails to win. A draw coupled with a City loss would mean we would finish at worst level on points, with a superior (but not quite insurmountable) goal differential.
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He looked a class above when I watched the under 23s the other week.
His touch, passing, and vision was on another level.
But, his lack of physicality will let him down at premier league level.
Needs a loan out next year in the championship.
Technically though it's all there.
Unsy said he's grown in height and weight this year so maybe he's a late developer. He's just got that languid style that some people just don't take to, similar to Mesut Ozil.
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I feel like Dowel has filled out since I last saw u23 highlights.
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He looked a class above when I watched the under 23s the other week.
His touch, passing, and vision was on another level.
But, his lack of physicality will let him down at premier league level.
Needs a loan out next year in the championship.
Technically though it's all there.
He reminds me of a fitter and far less lazy Matt Le Tissier.
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He reminds me of a fitter and far less lazy Matt Le Tissier.
That sounds amazing!
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That sounds amazing!
Sounds like 1 of the best players in the world. Think given he's playing for our under 23s it might be a little OTT.
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That's it. He's the next Matt Le Tissier. No pressure lad
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That's it. He's the next Matt Le Tissier. No pressure lad
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Maybe I should have elaborated, but I never released I could have such a compelling effect on the lad.
How he plays and some of the goals he has scored reminds of Le Tiss but with more of a swagger, albeit at a completely different level. So I enjoy watching him play partly because he reminds me of another player I enjoyed watching in the past (who was a lazy bastard). So much so that I did indeed decide to watch some of the old Le Tissier goals from back in the day.
In addition, I also think he has the look of a young Lee Mavers about him, and although I'm not expecting him to write the next 'looking glass', I did put on The LA's album last week.
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Maybe I should have elaborated, but I never released I could have such a compelling effect on the lad.
How he plays and some of the goals he has scored reminds of Le Tiss but with more of a swagger, albeit at a completely different level. So I enjoy watching him play partly because he reminds me of another player I enjoyed watching in the past (who was a lazy bastard). So much so that I did indeed decide to watch some of the old Le Tissier goals from back in the day.
In addition, I also think he has the look of a young Lee Mavers about him, and although I'm not expecting him to write the next 'looking glass', I did put on The LA's album last week.
Yeah it's OK I knew what you meant. My favourite type of player so let's hope we see some nice stuff from him at whatever level he gets to.
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Come on, you can't have any more swagger than Le Tiss. :)
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Le tissier's a knob head.
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Yeah it's OK I knew what you meant. My favourite type of player so let's hope we see some nice stuff from him at whatever level he gets to.
Here, here
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Everton are in talks with Nottingham Forest over a deal for teenage midfielder Brennan Johnson, as the club step up their search for the country’s leading young talents.
Johnson, 15, is the son of former Forest and Ipswich striker David and Everton have seen a number of bids rejected by the Championship club.
Everton want to sign the England under-16 international this season but have been told to pay around £1million, with director of football Steve Walsh now expected to enter negotiations. The deal could go to a tribunal if Everton fail to agree a fee.
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Million quid for a 15 year old, fucking hell
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Million quid for a 15 year old, fucking hell
Didn't Arsenal pay more than that for Jermaine Pennant about 15 years ago?
We're just behind the curve!
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Didn't Arsenal pay more than that for Jermaine Pennant about 15 years ago?
We're just behind the curve!
Wasn't it about £5m they paid?
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Wasn't it about £5m they paid?
I think it was just over £2m.
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Didn't we pay more for George Green?
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Didn't we pay more for George Green?
300k up front. The deal was rising to 2m based on future incentives, so unless it was number of Bacardi breezers strawpedo'd I dont think it will have gone above 300k.
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Wasn't it about £5m they paid?
That was them buying Sterling from QPR. Or Ibe from Wycombe.
Maybe both?
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anywhere to watch the England game? Dowel, Lookman and Kenny all starting...
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Pay for them using haribo jellies, it they don't like that then offer them some tangfastic's
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anywhere to watch the England game? Dowel, Lookman and Kenny all starting...
BT Sport 2. 19:00 k/o
Bit of a bonus for me, I'm working late tonight, I'll stick it on in the background.
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BT Sport 2. 19:00 k/o
Bit of a bonus for me, I'm working late tonight, I'll stick it on in the background.
eh? its already finished haha was 2-2
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eh? its already finished haha was 2-2
Ha, shit, haven't got a clue what I was reading then!
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Million quid for a 15 year old, fucking hell
We paid that for Scott Spencer
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It's an absolute bargain if we've any confidence in the lad. Wouldn't have to achieve much in football to be worth double that.
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It's not much in football terms, but ignore that for a moment and just think about it: you pay £1m so that a 15 year old kid can come and kick a ball around with you rather than someone else.
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It's not much in football terms, but ignore that for a moment and just think about it: you pay £1m so that a 15 year old kid can come and kick a ball around with you rather than someone else.
We don't wanna go down that road... there's no stadiums built if we go down that road...
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eh? its already finished haha was 2-2
What level was this?
Davies is still playing for the under 19s which i find really strange
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What level was this?
Davies is still playing for the under 19s which i find really strange
Under 20's
Think there was 5 current Everton players in the squad alongside Ryan Ledson
Not a bad effort
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What level was this?
Davies is still playing for the under 19s which i find really strange
Assume it's the Chalobah that's playing for Chelsea in there too.
It's very hard to track player potential at national level for those age groups.
Although I think these are important games for the u19s so they may have requested those two for example.
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Assume it's the Chalobah that's playing for Chelsea in there too.
It's very hard to track player potential at national level for those age groups.
Although I think these are important games for the u19s so they may have requested those two for example.
Isn't he about 22 now?
Edit, nathaniel is 22 his brother trevoh, yes trevoh is 17
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It's also possible in the younger groups they are trying to keep people more in line with their actual age groups in unless they are going into the senior team. I know the FA mentioned that's what Spain did when they were winning loads of younger tournaments in the 2000s and then they went and won the 3 senior tournaments from 2008-12.
So they may think it is more beneficial for players to stick together and get the experiences of playing every age group rather than keep shifting people up and down.
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Assume it's the Chalobah that's playing for Chelsea in there too.
It's very hard to track player potential at national level for those age groups.
Although I think these are important games for the u19s so they may have requested those two for example.
He does have a brother called Trevor who I think is younger, may be him?
True. You expect Davies to be playing for the 21s soon enough though
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Isn't he about 22 now?
Edit, nathaniel is 22 his brother trevoh, yes trevoh is 17
Trevoh? That sounds like the caveman pronunciation of Trevor.
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He does have a brother called Trevor who I think is younger, may be him?
True. You expect Davies to be playing for the 21s soon enough though
If he carries on for the next 15 months as he has the last 4 then I'd expect him to go to the WC!
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If he carries on for the next 15 months as he has the last 4 then I'd expect him to go to the WC!
Way too soon
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Way too soon
Yeah, but that doesn't normally stop England taking players.
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What level was this?
Davies is still playing for the under 19s which i find really strange
I think he's the captain which may have contributed towards the decision.
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City cut the gap back to 2pts with 4-1 win last night against Derby..............
we play Monday
Against Spurs
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Big game tonight
Is Galloway back at Everton now?
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Strong side that(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/4d766be8bf51d6444a810cfa63aa16db.jpg)
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Besic is redundant in that midfield. Williams is the destroyer, Walsh dictates the pace, and Besic does a little bit of both without really adding anything in particular. We'd be better off with Charsley in his place (or even in Williams' place) for those late, well-timed runs into the box. I understand that we're trying to get Besic back to full fitness but we should also be trying to win the league and Walsh/Williams/Charsley have all been stalwarts for Unsworth at various points. (Also, I feel pretty meh about Besic being back. I think he's another that has too much to learn to ever reach the required level, though it does make sense for Koeman to get a good look before he moves him on.)
No complaints about Calvert-Lewin or Lookman. They need games so it's fair to slot them in when they aren't involved with the first team.
Also... Galloway is back?
Edit: And yes, it's dumb for me to pick holes in a U23 team, especially given that Unsworth clearly knows what he's doing. I'm aware of this.
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Look out Messi, Mo is back. I bloody love little mo, welcome back you unassuming hard bastard!
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Is there anywhere we can watch this (other than at Goodison ofc) or do we have to wait for limited highlights tomorrow ?
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Is there anywhere we can watch this (other than at Goodison ofc) or do we have to wait for limited highlights tomorrow ?
I think it's on Facebook.
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Ah thought that was just live updates, ok will check, cheers !
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Is there anywhere we can watch this (other than at Goodison ofc) or do we have to wait for limited highlights tomorrow ?
Live on fb so maybe other sites have it too
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Is there anywhere we can watch this (other than at Goodison ofc) or do we have to wait for limited highlights tomorrow ?
It's on Facebook through the everton page
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http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/10/watch-live-under23s-v-spurs
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Did not know Galloway was back.
That's some team for the under 23s.
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Nil nil thhity mins in
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That Anthony Robinson is basically a clone of young Leighton Baines
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Liking the look of Robinson on the ball and defensively - as you say a clone of Baines, playing exactly the same style of balls infield or down the line. Haven't seen his delivery yet though.
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Was just gonna say I understand why Lookman didn't get a chance in the past few games and he only goes and scores :)
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2-0 Sambou
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I don't know if this deserves its own thread, but whats the story on Galloway?
Boss 3rd goal as well.
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Was just gonna say this is the worst I've seen Dowell play and he only goes and scores :)
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I don't know if this deserves its own thread, but whats the story on Galloway?
Boss 3rd goal as well.
Can play for our u23s apparently despite being on Loan
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Can play for our u23s apparently despite being on Loan
Crazy that
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Can play for our u23s apparently despite being on Loan
Never knew that...
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Final Score 4-1 1pt needed to be champs
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Yeah it seems a pretty daft thing like
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Final Score 4-1 1pt needed to be champs
Who got the fourth
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DCL thanks to a poor clearence from their keeper
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Sambou's goal is quality, love everything I've seen of him so far.
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I need these highlights
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They're on Facebook.
Sambou's goal is a corker, really tight turn to send the cb.
Dowell's was a very Dowell goal. Got to wonder how far off the first team he is. Maybe we can secure 6th in the next few games and give him a run out 🙂
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Didn't know ugo ehiogu was their manager, that's a bit random
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I don't know if this deserves its own thread, but whats the story on Galloway?
Boss 3rd goal as well.
Pulis has officially released him from his loan move.
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Didn't know ugo ehiogu was their manager, that's a bit random
Love this
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Didn't know ugo ehiogu was their manager, that's a bit random
Love this
Really rated him back in the day.
I'm rooting for him to become a top coach/manager now that I know this.
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How is this league shaping up? Are we 5 points ahead now, how many games left
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Two games
We need a win
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Sambou for the first team squad
Ready made replacement for Valencia next season
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Really rated him back in the day.
I'm rooting for him to become a top coach/manager now that I know this.
News that he passed away yesterday. Heart attack. Only 44.
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Oh man :(
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The lads can win the league tonight.
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live on CTv
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live on CTv
What time ?
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what is CTv ?
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what is CTv ?
I think it might be Chelsea TV
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what is CTv ?
Chinese TV. Everything is on there.
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Chelsea TV, 7pm
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I have a link :-
http://www.stream2watch.cc/live-television/united-kingdom/chelsea-tv-live-stream
No guarantees
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Here https://www.facebook.com/Everton/.
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Official stream is fucked.
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Official stream is fucked.
this works well http://www.stream2watch.cc/live-television/united-kingdom/chelsea-tv-live-stream
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Official stream is fucked.
Working fine for me.
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We are far superior so far
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Working fine for me.
It has recovered.
We've started well.
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losing 1-0 after battering them for 20 mins
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still battering them, loads of chances missed so far
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We're pumping them everywhere! C'mon Everton! A joy to watch but lets get some goals
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Sambou- 1-1
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Haha, what a shit attempt. :)
1-1
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Chelsea starting to dive all over the place, ref's terrible
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It's so much more watchable in general though as there are very few fouls.
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Chelsea's keeper looks like he's eligible for their veterans team.
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walsh 2-1
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get in!!!!! 2-1
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2-2 Besic letting them down there
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ughhh
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ughhh
I think its spelt Ugbo?
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What do they need to do to win the title?
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Henen has been woeful!
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What do they need to do to win the title?
To be certain win but a point might be enough
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How long left?
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What a save...
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gotta play the shite last game....
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should be ok, our GD is massive isnt it?
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All over 2-2
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finished 2-2 6ts ahead +8 GD
need 1pt more mathematically v RS,
City play the shite on Monday and need to win
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gotta play the shite last game....
Things dreams are made of... winning the championship by beating the shite on the last game of the season.
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Things dreams are made of... winning the championship by beating the shite on the last game of the season.
Or potentially even by losing by a small margin.
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Things dreams are made of... winning the championship by beating the shite on the last game of the season.
This time next year........................
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What date is the game against the shite?
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What date is the game against the shite?
The 8th, 4 days before the last senior home game v Watford
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The 8th, 4 days before the last senior home game v Watford
Would be nice if they got a decent turn out. I know the mini derbies always used to be fairly well attended but I don't know if that is still the case.
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The 8th, 4 days before the last senior home game v Watford
Gotta be played at Goodison surely?
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Yep!
Next up for first team squad?
Sambou, Walsh and Baningime?
Koeman's Kids for Watford!
Renshaw for U23 GK?
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Should be some opportunities for some of these lads in the Europa League next season.
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Sambou missed a few chances last night but I've never seen him play before. Kenny and Robinson at full backs impressed me. The whole team were aggressive and passed the ball well though.
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Really rated him back in the day.
I'm rooting for him to become a top coach/manager now that I know this.
😪
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Or if Liverpool beat City on Monday night then they basically hand us the title. Fat chance of that happening tbh.
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/beni-baningime-backed-become-evertons-12929011
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So impressed with U23s, I reckon there has to be 5 or 6 at least who will make it in the top 2 divisions for sure, lets hope they turn out to be of the elite and in our first team. Loved Mo Besic's game as well, great to see him back (but I could be biased). With Coleman's injury, surely Kenny has to be given an opportunity sooner rather than later, right?
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/beni-baningime-backed-become-evertons-12929011
He was brilliant last night as was Kenny. Future is bright and blue!
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Anyone see what Koeman said?
Basically said at Southampton he didn't play the youngsters because they weren't good enough but at Everton they are.
Thought they had the best academy in the world though?
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So impressed with U23s, I reckon there has to be 5 or 6 at least who will make it in the top 2 divisions for sure, lets hope they turn out to be of the elite and in our first team. Loved Mo Besic's game as well, great to see him back (but I could be biased). With Coleman's injury, surely Kenny has to be given an opportunity sooner rather than later, right?
Besic was dogshit yesterday, but clearly massively unfit.
Fullbacks looked great though.
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For last home game against Watford:
1) Robles
2) Kenny
3) Baines
4) Schneiderlin
5) Williams
6) Baningime
7) Davies
8) Gueye
9) Lukaku
10)Barkley
11)Sambou
Subs: Stek, Holgate, Jagielka, Barry, Walsh, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin,
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Besic was dogshit yesterday, but clearly massively unfit.
Fullbacks looked great though.
I thought he got better as the game went on and did pretty good as a centre back. Nice to see, but yeah a few dodgy moments, put to injury ;-)
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All you lads and ladies who can make the time and turn up? The final U23 game is free entry at Goodison park on the 8th of may. I'm not up north, otherwise I'd be there. If you manage to get there, I hope you all have a fantastic time. COYBB.
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/23/under23s-final-game-at-goodison :thumbsup:
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It was interesting to see Walshy there as well ,he knows how much we depend on lads coming up from the u23's
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Walshy's everywhere
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Walshy's everywhere
He's actually got a twin brother who we also employ, to let everyone think we have eyes everywhere.
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He's actually got a twin brother who we also employ, to let everyone think we have eyes everywhere.
Fun fact
His brother actually used to play for us in the 70s
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Free entry for the Liverpool game people
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Free entry for the Liverpool game people
Yeah im guna go.
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I'll be there.
Hopefully they realise that quite a few people will want to go and we won't be queuing outside for ages like last time.
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1st allocation for upper bullens available 25th , this was for season ticket holders last time , but does not state ST holders this time, much rather watch from there than the Park end
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Can you just turn up with your ST or do you have to pre book it or something?
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Anyone know how Liverpool are getting on against Man City?
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Anyone know how Liverpool are getting on against Man City?
No goals after 15 minutes all I know. Apparantly Liverpool have put out a strong team whatever that means
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No goals after 15 minutes all I know. Apparantly Liverpool have put out a strong team whatever that means
City 1-0 up..... well probably the best a strong Liverpool team can do.... City probably stronger than Crystal Palace aswell..
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Trent Arnold gave a pen away, whipped his leg 1-0 city
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Woodburn 1-1
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It's on that LFCTV, the only time I've ever watched this channel!
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First time I've ever cheered a Liverpool goal. 2-1 now Woodburn again.
Edit: fuckin 2-2 now
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ah man, come on the shite haha
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Can you just turn up with your ST or do you have to pre book it or something?
.............your ST includes admission to U23 games but Everton are bound to complicate matters by insisting you book a ticket. Why don't they just open the Main Stand ?
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.............your ST includes admission to U23 games but Everton are bound to complicate matters by insisting you book a ticket. Why don't they just open the Main Stand ?
I would assume there are fairly strict safety rules on crowd admission to a stadium like Goodison Park, and possibly one of them is that you can't just let people in without keeping track.
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Heart in your mouth stuff then, somehow city hit the post when it was easier to score!
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we're guna win the league, we're guna win the league, and now they're guna believe us and now they're guna believe us lolol
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Aaaa clearance off the line for Liverpool hahaha
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Injury time. Terence Trent Derby should have scored
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Yessssss 3-2
Stoppage time goal for the shite!
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Champs 3-2 , Gomez cleared off the line 30 secs befire they went 3-2 usual RS though stoppage time winner
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YEAAHHHH THE SHITE
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Gomez looks better than the centre halves the rs had yesterday.
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I would assume there are fairly strict safety rules on crowd admission to a stadium like Goodison Park, and possibly one of them is that you can't just let people in without keeping track.
.........................which is why I suggested just opening the MS which will be big enough and they can keep a check on admissions. We got 6,000 at the last U23 game and expect more this time. Oddly ,the club are making the Upper Bullens available first .
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Gomez looks better than the centre halves the rs had yesterday.
he could still be shite ;)
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Goal for the rs trophy for the blues
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Officially PL2 champs :)
Well done lads!!
Well done Unsworth
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amazing congrats to all the lads :)
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Champs by Virtue of the shite :hail:
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over
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Even our U23's have won more Premier League titles than Liverpool. ;)
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Show off that trophy on the 8th!
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I've always liked Liverpool really. :D
Or not...
This is another sign that all things Everton are good and heading in right direction. Well done Rhino!
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ha Liverpool winning us the title.
great achievement that, hoping to see a few of those players next season, sure walsh, dowell, kenny & Sambou will be involved in europe etc
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Free entry for last game, hopefully be a decent crowd
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Brilliant and well-deserved success for all at the amazing Everton Academy.
Big congrats to Unsy ... he is one special coach and a true Blue.
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Great for the Club , Rhino and the Players ,more important is that they keep developing and some/more make the jump to the 1st team ---that's all that matters in the long run
well done Boys
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Made up with this, well done lads!
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Well done Unsy and the lads ,nothing like winning a trophy .You can't mark it down ,they won the best they could compete for .Brilliant .
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The future is blue
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Stadium - check
Recruitment - check
Finances - check
Youth Development - checkedy check bitches!
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Stadium - check
Recruitment - check
Finances - check
Youth Development - checkedy check bitches!
Manager - check
20 goals a season striker - check
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Just got my tickets -UB
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Free entry for last game, hopefully be a decent crowd
.............from The Echo <<<<<<<<<
Blues U23s hope for huge crowd
verton are hoping to attract a crowd of 20,000 for the night they lift the Premier League 2 trophy.
The Blues’ under-23s were confirmed as champions last night as second-placed Manchester City lost 3-2 to Liverpool at Prenton Park.
Everton have an unassailable six point lead heading into their final game of the season at Goodison on May, 8 - against the Reds.
The club have announced that the game is free entry for all supporters and coach David Unsworth wants his side to finish the season with a flourish in front of a bumper attendance.
Unsy said:
We have a massive game at Goodison and I’m sure there are going to be around 20,000 there.
“So we need to finish off in style when we lift the trophy.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Let's hope the lads show the 1st team how to do it
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Manager - check
20 goals a season striker - check
Owner with a check book - check.
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Owner with a check book - check.
............does anyone use cheques any more ?
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............does anyone use cheques any more ?
I do all the time.
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I do all the time.
.............can't remember when I last wrote a cheque , everything now is cards or bank transfers. Even my last car I bought with debit card. Times change. Still like to carry cash though.
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Just get tickets through the site then?
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Just get tickets through the site then?
............think it's just box office and Everton One or Two
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How much do we think this means/doesn't mean then? Was listening to a journo, Mike Calvin, on the Echo podcast the other day who has just written a book on youth football saying that the PL2 is basically a load of old shite, and largely ineffective in producing the level of football and players needed to break into Prem teams. He was saying that's why so many clubs loan their best prospects out.
Don't mean to put a downer on things, because I'm buzzing for the lads, but it did give me pause for thought.
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Well we've already had a couple of them come through to the first team. At least a few more that look like they could make the step up too.
Lets face it, it can't do any harm. Its better that these players are playing regularly and its nice that they're winning things together with the Everton mentality than spread out all over the country at different teams on loan. Could be building a future spine of our team.
Course, you'll never win anything with kids ;)
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How much do we think this means/doesn't mean then? Was listening to a journo, Mike Calvin, on the Echo podcast the other day who has just written a book on youth football saying that the PL2 is basically a load of old shite, and largely ineffective in producing the level of football and players needed to break into Prem teams. He was saying that's why so many clubs loan their best prospects out.
Don't mean to put a downer on things, because I'm buzzing for the lads, but it did give me pause for thought.
..................there are 2 divisions of 12 teams each. Only 15 of the current PL have entered teams
Not surprisingly ,the top 7 in the PL2 is the same clubs as the PL with the strange exception of Sunderland instead of Man U. I think it's useful and it's the nearest thing there's been to an old fashioned reserve league like we used to have years ago.
https://www.premierleague.com/tables?team=U21
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How much do we think this means/doesn't mean then? Was listening to a journo, Mike Calvin, on the Echo podcast the other day who has just written a book on youth football saying that the PL2 is basically a load of old shite, and largely ineffective in producing the level of football and players needed to break into Prem teams. He was saying that's why so many clubs loan their best prospects out.
Don't mean to put a downer on things, because I'm buzzing for the lads, but it did give me pause for thought.
All the more reason to make it work for us.
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How much do we think this means/doesn't mean then? Was listening to a journo, Mike Calvin, on the Echo podcast the other day who has just written a book on youth football saying that the PL2 is basically a load of old shite, and largely ineffective in producing the level of football and players needed to break into Prem teams. He was saying that's why so many clubs loan their best prospects out.
Don't mean to put a downer on things, because I'm buzzing for the lads, but it did give me pause for thought.
You can never quite tell, can you?
However, we've already had three players in DCL, Davies and Holgate become permanent fixtures in the first team, Pennington coming in, as well as dowell, Kenny and Connolly playing last season, Galloway too.
All looking very adept at premier league level.
Granted, the challenge comes when you have a run of games and try to hold your place down but the signs are very promising.
Some of them will make it here, some will fall short but still have good careers in the premier league and they're varying different factors that will come into player. For example, I'd say dowell is the most technically gifted player we've had in the youth ranks since Barkley, but he strikes me as someone who's not quite good enough to make the step up. Then there's someone like Davies, who isn't as good on the ball bit just looks like a premier league player.
One things for sure, it's the most promising crop of youngsters in the country at the moment and it's great to be able to call upon such talents when needed.
Also, dare I say Roberto Martinez deserves a semblance of credit?
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Also, the standard of reserve team football today is a lot better than it was just a few years back.
It was played at a snails pace a few years back. Now it's a geared a lot more to mirror premier league football.
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How much do we think this means/doesn't mean then? Was listening to a journo, Mike Calvin, on the Echo podcast the other day who has just written a book on youth football saying that the PL2 is basically a load of old shite, and largely ineffective in producing the level of football and players needed to break into Prem teams. He was saying that's why so many clubs loan their best prospects out.
Don't mean to put a downer on things, because I'm buzzing for the lads, but it did give me pause for thought.
I imagine it will provide more oppurtunities for the younger lads to forge careers in football. Whether its with Everton or not
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It's hard to tell because you could get lucky that the specific group (as its age limited there's always a regular turnover of personnel) of players happen to gel well together and that's why they're more successful than a team with potentially more talented individuals.
It can't do any harm, winning of course, apart from maybe creating unrealistic expectations that we'll have 5 or 6 players in the first team / squad soon.
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............think it's just box office and Everton One or Two
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Yep popped down to the box office, 5 unreserved tickets upper bullens, can see them opening 3/4 of the ground tbh if they think 20,000 are expected
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Yep popped down to the box office, 5 unreserved tickets upper bullens, can see them opening 3/4 of the ground tbh if they think 20,000 are expected
It will be awesome if 20,000 go.
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.............can't remember when I last wrote a cheque , everything now is cards or bank transfers. Even my last car I bought with debit card. Times change. Still like to carry cash though.
I like cheques. I like seeing something. I prefer receiving them from my clients as I have no charges to pay.
Would never dream of buying a car on a debit card. Most dealerships would say no here because of the high transaction fees.
Cheques are very common still here.
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.............can't remember when I last wrote a cheque , everything now is cards or bank transfers. Even my last car I bought with debit card. Times change. Still like to carry cash though.
Can we move this from the U23 Thread to the O73 Thread for you and @blargins (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=54) please? ;)
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Yep popped down to the box office, 5 unreserved tickets upper bullens, can see them opening 3/4 of the ground tbh if they think 20,000 are expected
..................I'm baffled why they started with the UB rather than the MS. I guess quite a few kopites will go ,you know ,all those disenfranchised locals who can't get tickets to Anfield.
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Not U-23 specific, but there was a great piece on the OS the other week about the Academy and how we bring youth through - the line about how we've expanded our scouting network caught my eye:
In the past two-and-a-half years, the national and international scouting network has expanded from nine scouts to 109 working across the UK and at all major international youth tournaments.
The goal, now achievable, is to scout every team of each of the 92 Football League clubs from Under-9 to Under-16 every season; effectively to know every single professional youth player in the country.
:clap:
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/18/cultivating-talent
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Not U-23 specific, but there was a great piece on the OS the other week about the Academy and how we bring youth through - the line about how we've expanded our scouting network caught my eye:
In the past two-and-a-half years, the national and international scouting network has expanded from nine scouts to 109 working across the UK and at all major international youth tournaments.
The goal, now achievable, is to scout every team of each of the 92 Football League clubs from Under-9 to Under-16 every season; effectively to know every single professional youth player in the country.
:clap:
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/18/cultivating-talent
That's pretty amazing really... 109 scouts sounds a lot but you sell one John Stones and you've covered their wages 10 times over for a decade.
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Not U-23 specific, but there was a great piece on the OS the other week about the Academy and how we bring youth through - the line about how we've expanded our scouting network caught my eye:
In the past two-and-a-half years, the national and international scouting network has expanded from nine scouts to 109 working across the UK and at all major international youth tournaments.
The goal, now achievable, is to scout every team of each of the 92 Football League clubs from Under-9 to Under-16 every season; effectively to know every single professional youth player in the country.
:clap:
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/18/cultivating-talent
I can do that! Gizza job!
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Kind of like City do with scouting everywhere but they seem to throw obscene amounts of money at everyone, set them up in a private school, look after their parents and they still can't even get even one in their first team.
Mate of mine his kid has been offered a place at their academy with an offer to pay for his private education and all kinds of other incentives. It's tempting for my mate to recommend he take it as even if he doesn't make it, which is likely, he's had access to an education and experience he'd otherwise not have been able to get close to.
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they seem to throw obscene amounts of money at everyone
Isn't that what you have to do now? That's what Liverpool got in trouble for not doing.
If you want to offer one kid free school as a deal sweetener cos he looks the dogs bollocks then you've got to offer the same to every kid in your academy.
Great for the kids, and not like the football clubs can't afford it.
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Isn't that what you have to do now? That's what Liverpool got in trouble for not doing.
If you want to offer one kid free school as a deal sweetener cos he looks the dogs bollocks then you've got to offer the same to every kid in your academy.
Great for the kids, and not like the football clubs can't afford it.
Hasn't worked out too great for them so far, throwing money at every bit of talent they spot. City just hoover up every kid who stands out in the whole area and hope one of them turns out to be a star. Have done for the past decade. Nothing even makes the bench, barring Iheanacho, and even he's been sidelined now.
They're a strange club who are kind of lost in who they are and what they are trying to achieve.. They spend vast amounts on their academy and youth recruitment but then give their managers unlimited funds to buy a trophy. I know a few people on their coaching staff at that level and they're a bit disillusioned with what they're expected to achieve and where the continuity is from one level to the next.
Although we only just beat them to the U-23 title it looks like we're miles apart in the model we operate. Probably by necessity but still, at least kids can see the career progression.
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Might be a bit similar to Trowel's article but a nice write up in the Mail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4453064/Everton-s-dream-academy-beat-big-spenders-23s-title-fans-dubbing-group-young-stars-Golden-Generation.html
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Anybody going to the game next Monday?
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Yep
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We shouldn't get too excited about seeing any of these players make the step up next season then...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-koeman-dampens-expectation-12959825
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We shouldn't get too excited about seeing any of these players make the step up next season then...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-koeman-dampens-expectation-12959825
Watched the presser and he was pretty harsh about any of the youngsters chances
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Watched the presser and he was pretty harsh about any of the youngsters chances
He's got a point though. We've already seen five kids step up to the first team this season, with varying success, and they'll all probably stay there for next season. To make the next jump to a top 4 challenge we need players who can make an impact and win games not just take part in games. That costs big money though. Over to you Steve.
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He said the same thing about Davies too at the start of the season. When they'll be ready, they'll hopefully be given a chance.
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He's got a point though. We've already seen five kids step up to the first team this season, with varying success, and they'll all probably stay there for next season. To make the next jump to a top 4 challenge we need players who can make an impact and win games not just take part in games. That costs big money though. Over to you Steve.
Said this at the game on Sat.
We've got no guarantees as options on the bench in the attacking areas.
It's good for youngsters to play ahead of people like Kone or equivalents as they'd be wasted minutes but if we're going to make bigger strides more quickly we need players who you know are going to be able to produce.
In reality our front 3 has Lukaku as a natural and performing fit; Barkley who has found a niche on the right and improved his decision making and creative play at home but still doesn't score enough; and on the left has been a rotation of players who for varying reasons haven't been good enough often enough.
That's without the plan that we'd have 2/3 subs who theoretically should be challenging the 3 starting players for their places.
So then bear in mind that the youngsters in the u23 team are behind those who are in and around the first team.
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He said the same thing about Davies too at the start of the season. When they'll be ready, they'll hopefully be given a chance.
Yes.
Plus the end of the season (winning something or not) isn't some sort of qualifying milestone.
It doesn't mean that players now have to be ready or that's it.
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Don't forget this tonight lads, off to UB , what do you think the queue's will be like??, what time would get their?? live 20min away(walking)
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For all us castoffs is it on Everton tv ?
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For all us castoffs is it on Everton tv ?
Yes for a £2.99 donation to Where The Home Is
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England u20 squad
Apparently the players miss last two games
https://twitter.com/England/status/861536164741750784
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Don't forget this tonight lads, off to UB , what do you think the queue's will be like??, what time would get their?? live 20min away(walking)
...................it's such a nice evening ,I reckon loads will go last minute ,including RS ,and it'll be chaos. KO 7pm but don't know if they presenting the trophy first .
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We've got virtually a quarter of the whole England squad. Not bad.
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We've got virtually a quarter of the whole England squad. Not bad.
That's a lot of Toffee scapegoats for when we don't win the tourney.
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...................it's such a nice evening ,I reckon loads will go last minute ,including RS ,and it'll be chaos. KO 7pm but don't know if they presenting the trophy first .
Turnstiles open 6.15 , think we will leave @6pm
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Gonna be some turnout this
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Why is the website saying: 'Please note: Delayed coverage from 5.15pm in the UK' ?
Is it live or not ? Anyone in the UK watching ?
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Why is the website saying: 'Please note: Delayed coverage from 5.15pm in the UK' ?
Is it live or not ? Anyone in the UK watching ?
It's on here for a £4 donation to Home is Where the Heart is, which is a great cause.
http://preseason.evertonfc.com/live
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who is buying this then?
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England u20 squad
Apparently the players miss last two games
https://twitter.com/England/status/861536164741750784
Without Kenny, Lookman and DCL will we be able to fill the bench on friday? Bit shit that Kenny doesnt get a chance to start.
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i have but no sound so far :headbang: :headbang:
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yeah i didnt wana buy it cos they always fuck it up...
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sounds on now :thumbsup:
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Oh dear, that was poor from Pennington.
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Mistakes like that are probably why Pennington won't make it at us (if we aspire to be top 6).
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Sportsmania lfc TV if you have it / want to watch it
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in work - how are we getting on? Dont even know the XI
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Sportsmania lfc TV if you have it / want to watch it
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I've got one of them dodgy boxes and it has LFC TV on it, but it's becoming unbearable listening to Neil Mellor and that other gobshite.
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I think Beni Baningime will be the next young player to be given a couple of minutes in the first team. I certainly expect him to travel to pre-season with the first team.
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I think Beni Baningime will be the next young player to be given a couple of minutes in the first team. I certainly expect him to travel to pre-season with the first team.
Unsworth has mentioned him a few times now
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I think Beni Baningime will be the next young player to be given a couple of minutes in the first team. I certainly expect him to travel to pre-season with the first team.
The new Kante.
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As if they're on course to do the double over us despite Everton winning the league.
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Where's Liam Walsh?
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As if they're on course to do the double over us despite Everton winning the league.
It's literally in our dna
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Getting tonked here and the LFC TV commentator is having a wank
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Getting tonked here and the LFC TV commentator is having a wank
Wonder if they'll stick around for the presentation
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Fucks sake.
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Two nil
Good goal
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As if they're on course to do the double over us despite Everton winning the league.
Shows how good we are. Winning the league even when we give everybody a 6 point advantage (and 12 for them lot).
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Shite play from the left back there
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Kenny is definitely ready to challenge for RB in the first team though.
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Kenny is definitely ready to challenge for RB in the first team though.
Saves us a bit of money in the summer. Kenny and Holgate can cover Seamus' absence.
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Just not dropping for us
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Such a shit ball by Henan
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Dyson. 1-2
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Is right lids. Still time.
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Beni and Kenny.
The rest of them unfortunately are well below their best.
But we got one back, and that's all that matters on the night :)
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Baningime And Kenny are a level above the rest by the looks of it.
Kenny in particular really is great
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Baningime And Kenny are a level above the rest by the looks of it.
Kenny in particular really is great
Baningime is only 18 too.
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Poor Gethin Jones really isn't a left back.
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Worth the few bob to see the lads sadly not the result but the cup will do me
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Sums the night up when the cameras are on the wrong side
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/861679038468956160
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Pitch invasions at an under 23's game though, lids in the park end throwing cans onto the pitch as well
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Pitch invasions at an under 23's game though, lids in the park end throwing cans onto the pitch as well
Kopites from the paddock fucking jumped on as well the little cunts
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The ket wig invasion was daft, little gobshites aren't they.
I was sat MS in line with the park end and didn't see any cans. Saw a tropical luco hit the pitch after our goal like but that was thrown from the MS.
From our side Beni and Kenny looked good, the rest looked like kids. Even Besic.
They also didn't look particularly good. Gruijic looked like the only grown up on the pitch, and their n.9 was a pacey trouble. Most uneasy I've seen Feeney and Pennington tbh, both looked a bit jarg on the ball, barring one good pass from Feeney in the second half.
Oh and I liked Sambou, ran his bollocks off and looked like he had a little bit on the ball but he never really got a chance. Dyson put himself about abit but looked a bit like a knucklehead if you know what I mean.
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We missed Liam Walsh tonight , pretty much this ^ , apart from Kenny deserves a run out- now in these last 2 games , oh and I for got the ref was shite
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The pitch invasion was one of the funniest things I've seen for a long time, as for the players on display, Kenny really stood out, plays very similar to Coleman.
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The pitch invasion was one of the funniest things I've seen for a long time, as for the players on display, Kenny really stood out, plays very similar to Coleman.
The pitch invasion really fucking pissed me off, the club do something nice, the free entry was a lovely touch, then little fucking knobheads try and spoil it so they can go into school tomorrow with the YouTube video they recorded on their fucking phones, if that was one of mine I'd have slapped the fucking spit out of them.
My daughter knew pretty much every one if the little cunts that went on from the lower Bullens, I fucking hate it.
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The pitch invasion really fucking pissed me off, the club do something nice, the free entry was a lovely touch, then little fucking knobheads try and spoil it so they can go into school tomorrow with the YouTube video they recorded on their fucking phones, if that was one of mine I'd have slapped the fucking spit out of them.
My daughter knew pretty much every one if the little cunts that went on from the lower Bullens, I fucking hate it.
Quite a few of them got grabbed by angry fans when they ran into the park end and were lashed out
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I was in the park end and didn't see anyone thrown cans on the pitch or fans grabbing the ketwigs.
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I was in the park end and didn't see anyone thrown cans on the pitch or fans grabbing the ketwigs.
Quite a few of them were sat close to me, main stand side
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Signed this lad and some Swedish kid too
Allegedly
Everton are interested in signing Boris Mathis, very interested if L’Equipe are to be believed.
The French newspaper, in their Saturday edition, say Everton are the ‘most serious’ option for Mathis right now. L’Equipe go as far as saying the Metz player ‘could leave Lorraine very soon and sign a first professional contract with a Premier League club.’
Le Republicain Lorraine (http://www.republicain-lorrain.fr/sports/2017/06/30/football-le-jeune-attaquant-du-fc-metz-boris-mathis-s-engage-avec-everton), a local media outlet, say Mathis has already signed a two year contract with Everton, but they base that on a tweet from their journalist Jean-Séb Gallois, since deleted.
Gallois later sent out another tweet (https://twitter.com/RLgallois/status/880828511736528896), without the 2 year timeframe, saying Mathis has agreed to join Everton.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDorrZ2XYAA09dd?format=jpg)
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Someone take him into town and buy him some trainers!
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https://twitter.com/nedretvedt/status/880897814531899393
Norwegian, Swedish.... It's all the same
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Someone take him into town and buy him some trainers!
And some socks
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https://twitter.com/nedretvedt/status/880897814531899393
Norwegian, Swedish.... It's all the same
Was ready to write something but ah well...
Over to Trevor Stevens then
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Seems we're very serious about the U23s. I love it.
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Seems we're very serious about the U23s. I love it.
Every reason to be. So unpredictable at that age that one of these players not labelled wonderkids could actually be the one to kick on. Look at Michael Keane. Worst case scenario they never make it to the first team, but they help the rest of the lads win U23s, so that when they come up they're winners and they're confident in their abilities. I really like this initiative.
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Anton Donkor signing tomorrow apparently.
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Anton Donkor signing tomorrow apparently.
At the Hilton (?). In his IG story http://instagram.com/anton_donkor
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Anton Donkor signing tomorrow apparently.
The lad we had on loan who got injured right away?
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The lad we had on loan who got injured right away?
Yeah, that's the one, German forward
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The lad we had on loan who got injured right away?
That's him. Got some good reviews here and we're obviously keen to see abit more of him.
Maybe a big day Monday with a load of U23's and a few first teamers.
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That's him. Got some good reviews here and we're obviously keen to see abit more of him.
Maybe a big day Monday with a load of U23's and a few first teamers.
Can't wait till tomorrow!
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https://twitter.com/nedretvedt/status/880897814531899393
Norwegian, Swedish.... It's all the same
Isn't this the 15 year old kid? I imagine he won't be going into the U23s team.
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Mathis has had a makeover and signed a 2yr deal
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/07/05/blues-sign-mathis
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Someone take him into town and buy him some trainers!
And some trousers the right length....or am I now showing my age ?
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/882962373920735232
Made up with this. 2 years too, not just the 1 like the kids the other day.
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/882962373920735232
Made up with this. 2 years too, not just the 1 like the kids the other day.
Thought I'd leave it to you in case I screwed it up again. :)
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Maybe he's higher regarded internally than we imagined. Might be the back up to Baines we've been discussing.
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/882962373920735232
Made up with this. 2 years too, not just the 1 like the kids the other day.
Looks very good this lad. Think he's younger than most at his group as well?
Looking forward to seeing how he develops.
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Two year deal is an encouraging sign.
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Anton Donkor has returned to #EFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/EFC?src=hash) for a second loan spell from @VfL_Wolfsburg (https://twitter.com/VfL_Wolfsburg) until 2 January.
👉🏼 https://t.co/ZVQPaXon8V (https://t.co/ZVQPaXon8V) pic.twitter.com/ISAG7dCNFY (https://t.co/ISAG7dCNFY)</p>— Everton (@Everton) July 7, 2017 (https://twitter.com/Everton/status/883310357556731904)
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Who could break through in '17 - '18.
Despite our lads performances this summer none of them made the cut.
http://www.skysports.com/share/10936111
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Who could break through in '17 - '18.
Despite our lads performances this summer none of them made the cut.
http://www.skysports.com/share/10936111
Fucking tits aren't they.
Win the U23 prem and have 5 in the World Cup winning team and don't get a mention.
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Fucking tits aren't they.
Win the U23 prem and have 5 in the World Cup winning team and don't get a mention.
It's very strange. I think you'd have to actively avoid young blues in order to leave them out of this type of thing. I mean, were top of the youth pile at the moment in many ways. So how on earth could none of the lads feature?
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https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/883454096421908484
Tickled me this
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Fucking tits aren't they.
Win the U23 prem and have 5 in the World Cup winning team and don't get a mention.
That really does take the fucking biscuit !
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Gotta be Beni Baningime
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God help us on this forum when these guys graduate to the first team with surnames like this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEx-OcbXkAAsi_9.jpg)
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Garbutt there.
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"Sambon"
Has Baxter joined up with us yet?
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Some nice finishes in here
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"Sambon"
Has Baxter joined up with us yet?
Forgot all about that
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Fucking tits aren't they.
Win the U23 prem and have 5 in the World Cup winning team and don't get a mention.
That Chilwell looked excellent in the World Cup
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That Chilwell looked excellent in the World Cup
He looked excellent against us last year too, would be a great successor to Baines
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/887651710709227520
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Good move for the lad
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Good move for him; whether that's to prove he can cut it here or for establishing himself at Championship level time will tell.
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Not sure if he'll fit in at Leeds. Doesn't strike me as the sort of player to go round kicking lumps out of the opposition....
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Leeds would be an ideal club to go out on loan to as they are genuinely a big club and any young player would get exposure to playing in front of decent sized crowds every week. As long as the managerial situation calms down it'll be good for the lad.
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Good move for him, hopefully will help him kick on and improve his game
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That's his level if he's lucky imo.
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Geordies are fuming about this young left back we are taking from them. Looks like they expected him to break into the first team this season.
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Anyone know anything about this young lad from Newcastle? Any statto's out there and not just Football Manager addicts.
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Geordies are fuming about this young left back we are taking from them. Looks like they expected him to break into the first team this season.
Maybe this is our back up/Baines' long term replacement.
Or we are doing what Chelsea and City do and stockpiling players to sell at a later date.
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Maybe this is our back up/Baines' long term replacement.
Or we are doing what Chelsea and City do and stockpiling players to sell at a later date.
A bit of both probably. If one doesn't work they're an income stream to buy someone who does.
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Geordies are fuming about this young left back we are taking from them. Looks like they expected him to break into the first team this season.
I would love it, love it if we signed him.
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In the Star but looks like we picked up another young, highly talented player for the youth team.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/631143/Joshua-Zirkzee-Everton-Arsenal-Manchester-United-transfer-news
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"Zirkzee scored 33 goals in 27 games last term and has attracted the attention of some of the Premier League's biggest clubs."
At any level, that's a bit good like.
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Joe Williams has gone to Barnsley on a season long loan
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Joe Williams has gone to Barnsley on a season long loan
...................so that's Pennington ,Browning ,Galloway and Williams gone out on loan ,plus Henry and any others I've forgotten. We're turning into Chelsea !
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Rumours liam walsh is heading out on loan as well, I rate him so will be good to see how he gets on.
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...................so that's Pennington ,Browning ,Galloway and Williams gone out on loan ,plus Henry and any others I've forgotten. We're turning into Chelsea !
Well they've made about £130m in sales since January so it's clearly a model that works. Although I'd like to think we'd be doing this with a view to a proportion of them actually making it with us and saving us a fortune like.
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...................so that's Pennington ,Browning ,Galloway and Williams gone out on loan ,plus Henry and any others I've forgotten. We're turning into Chelsea !
Fucking hope so 5 league titles 4 Fa Cups and a European Cup in 15 years. I'd love that.
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It's an interesting approach though which seems to be premeditated.
Last years U23 league winners, those good enough, move them into the senior squad, for those not quite there, loan them out and spend a not inconsiderable amount replacing them. It makes an already enviable youth set up even stronger
It's amazing what you can do when you're minted
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It's an interesting approach though which seems to be premeditated.
Last years U23 league winners, those good enough, move them into the senior squad, for those not quite there, loan them out and spend a not inconsiderable amount replacing them. It makes an already enviable youth set up even stronger
It's amazing what you can do when you're minted
I don't even think it's about being rich. It's about having plans in place. We seem to have a clear vision on every part of the club now. Moshiri has been brilliant in terms of making us a truly professional outfit
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Who's the guy that usually runs the players on loan thread.
Something tells me it could be a nice tasty thread this season.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🔵 | We have completed the signing of @LewisGippa3 (https://twitter.com/LewisGippa3). The defender will link up with David Unsworth’s #EFCU23s (https://twitter.com/hashtag/EFCU23s?src=hash): https://t.co/1KCusKJnWz (https://t.co/1KCusKJnWz) pic.twitter.com/sNLovugPVj (https://t.co/sNLovugPVj)</p>— Everton (@Everton) July 27, 2017 (https://twitter.com/Everton/status/890512268076756997)
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Good to see that wrapped up, been talked about for some weeks now.
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What happened to that lad we signed similar time as holgate? All went very quiet there didn't it.
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That must be Matty Foulds from Bury - left footed centre back
Problem solved!
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That must be Matty Foulds from Bury - left footed centre back
Problem solved!
Mates dad is a season ticket holder at Bury and even he wondered why Everton were buying him. He wasn't anything special at that level so God knows what Reeves and Martinez saw in him.
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won 2-0 v Bangor City, Sambou and a Pen from Garbutt, so his is still here then
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I reckon that geordie lad has a better chance than garbutt of getting the first team squad.
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Any news on Jose Baxter? Is he with the squad? Has he played any minutes
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Any news on Jose Baxter? Is he with the squad? Has he played any minutes
Apparently he just sits on a stool near Unsy everyday, whenever one of the younger lads fuck up or show a little bit of disobedience Unsy stands up, points at Baxter and says to the young lad "do you want to end up like him", it soon refocuses them.
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Can't see anything on here about this, which may have been swallowed up by the excitement and success of deadline day, so forgive me if I'm repeating this.
We've signed a lad called Dennis - not that Dennis, sorry @Toddacelli (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432) - but an 18 year old from Fulham for £4m.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11015694/everton-sign-teenager-dennis-adeniran-from-fulham (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11015694/everton-sign-teenager-dennis-adeniran-from-fulham)
Everton have signed Fulham's England U18 international midfielder Dennis Adeniran on a four-year deal.
The 18-year-old heads to Goodison Park on a deal until the summer of 2021 after making five senior appearances for the Sky Bet Championship club.
Including add-ons, Adeniran could end up costing Everton a fee of £4m, Sky Sports News understands.
Adeniran scored on his professional debut in an EFL Cup match at Leyton Orient 12 months ago, and he played two more games in that competition as well as one league outing and a single appearance in the FA Cup.
He played for England at the European U17 Championships in 2016, when the Young Lions reached the quarter-finals.
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Can't see anything on here about this, which may have been swallowed up by the excitement and success of deadline day, so forgive me if I'm repeating this.
We've signed a lad called Dennis - not that Dennis, sorry @Toddacelli (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432) - but an 18 year old from Fulham for £4m.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11015694/everton-sign-teenager-dennis-adeniran-from-fulham (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11015694/everton-sign-teenager-dennis-adeniran-from-fulham)
Fulham fans react on Twitter:
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/09/01/absolutely-gutted-fulham-fans-react-on-twitter-to-dennis-adenira/
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Looks like we're very focused on large transfer fees hopefully being a thing of the past and growing our own in the next few years. We've spent a fortune on the U-23's and have a full sides worth out on loan. Unless we're going down the Chelsea route of human trafficking.
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i cant wait for all these youth signings to burst into the team, whenever that maybe.
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The problem is there's to much pressure on managers for instant success to a degree so I just can't see the point in spending 5m or so here and there on players to loan out
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-conor-grant-taken-hospital-13564469
Conor Grant taken to hospital after being knocked out in a collision playing for Crewe.. Can't find any updates on his condition, hope he's ok. :(
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-conor-grant-taken-hospital-13564469
Conor Grant taken to hospital after being knocked out in a collision playing for Crewe.. Can't find any updates on his condition, hope he's ok. :(
Fortunately nothing serious.
https://twitter.com/crewealexfc/status/904055748132560897
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Don't forget our Henry over at Anderlect - it was "his destiny" to join us!
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/turned-down-celtic-move-transfer-11103771
He is looking forward to helping knock Brendan Rodgers out of the CL in a couple of weeks, when they meet. We will have to keep our eye on that if anyone is interested in seeing him play, if he gets a start. We are going to have some squad in a year or two with all these excellent kids.
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Don't forget our Henry over at Anderlect - it was "his destiny" to join us!
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/turned-down-celtic-move-transfer-11103771
He is looking forward to helping knock Brendan Rodgers out of the CL in a couple of weeks, when they meet. We will have to keep our eye on that if anyone is interested in seeing him play, if he gets a start. We are going to have some squad in a year or two with all these excellent kids.
Be good if he can score any goal for the soon then.
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Does anyone know what happened with Zirkzee in the end?
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Does anyone know what happened with Zirkzee in the end?
Went to someone fancy, Bayern maybe.
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Who was that #16 at the end of the second vid?
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Pitch 'em against Sunderland
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Who was that #16 at the end of the second vid?
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/08/29/highlights-chelsea-0-3-under-23s
lol i also been through the under 21 squad.. the only player who looks like the 16 (only saw him run from behind when he took the shot) is Boris Mathis. but i have no idea really.
http://www.evertonfc.com/teams/under-23s?page=2
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Who was that #16 at the end of the second vid?
Looked good didn't he. I thought maybe henen?
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http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/08/29/highlights-chelsea-0-3-under-23s
lol i also been through the under 21 squad.. the only player who looks like the 16 (only saw him run from behind when he took the shot) is Boris Mathis. but i have no idea really.
http://www.evertonfc.com/teams/under-23s?page=2
He back from injury? I've heard he's a top prospect.
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Looked good didn't he. I thought maybe henen?
Seemed to have that bit extra didn't he.
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Looked good didn't he. I thought maybe henen?
Henen ain't white, and is too often shite lolol
(To clarify, by shite I mean inconsistent and he's been playing at U21/U23 level for ages already, plus an unsuccessful loan to League One. The Echo think we tried to sell him in January.)
Number 16 was Nathan Broadhead, @Everton Mint (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3381) was backing him in the "U23 for Europa" thread, perhaps he'll be the next Davies that goes from not being good enough to loan out to getting his head down to make a surprise emergence from the U23's!
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Henen ain't white, and is too often shite lolol
(To clarify, by shite I mean inconsistent and he's been playing at U21/U23 level for ages already, plus an unsuccessful loan to League One. The Echo think we tried to sell him in January.)
Number 16 was Nathan Broadhead, @Everton Mint (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3381) was backing him in the "U23 for Europa" thread, perhaps he'll be the next Davies that goes from not being good enough to loan out to getting his head down to make a surprise emergence from the U23's!
Good shout
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We kick off, at Goodsion, also against spuds, in five minutes. A few first-team players involved...
Supposedly you have to be a paid member of Everton in some capacity to watch it!
Robles
Kenny, Feeney, Gibson, Foulds
Baningme, Charsley
Jones, Adeniran, Lookman
Niasse
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Niasse scores from a Kenny cross.
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No one watching then? Apparently there have been two more goals, 'stunning' strike from Lookman to restore our lead after they equalised.
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Pity Niasse isn't in the EURO squad... would have liked him linking up with Lookman
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And then he scores again....
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I now support the under 23s instead of the proper team.
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No one watching then? Apparently there have been two more goals, 'stunning' strike from Lookman to restore our lead after they equalised.
https://twitter.com/UpperGwladysBlu/status/906872118415171584
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David Henen making me eat my words about him, assist and goal partnership both ways around with Niasse :thumbsup:
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our u23 would beat the 1st team
so 4-1 ten min to go
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not sure what the point is of this, but under 23 related.
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Is there any point in Robles playing in this team?
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The under 23;s beat spurs today 4-1....2 for naisse and a assist 1 for lookman and 1 for henan and a assist jonjoe kenny...naisse apparently bossed it
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I've said it before but kinda tongue-in-cheek - Kenny must look dreadful in training or have some fundamental flaw that means he isn't starting games. Anyone seen much of him and can shed some light?
Some have said Koeman is sticking with Martina as an ego thing: I've brought him to the club, I'm going to stick by him. But surely you wouldn't stick by a shit player when it could ultimately cost your team games/points?
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I've said it before but kinda tongue-in-cheek - Kenny must look dreadful in training or have some fundamental flaw that means he isn't starting games. Anyone seen much of him and can shed some light?
Some have said Koeman is sticking with Martina as an ego thing: I've brought him to the club, I'm going to stick by him. But surely you wouldn't stick by a shit player when it could ultimately cost your team games/points?
When Koeman left Saints, Martina didnt feature under the new manager all season lol, i think that says enough about him (Martina)
From what i've seen from Kenny, albeit under 23s and the england under 21 world cup winning team,. he is a replica of Coleman.
I dont get it, Holgate, Kenny, and then we buy Martina.. i know it was a freebie,. but still.. must have knocked Kenny back a bit.
Koeman claims to give youth chance, but i think he's just as stubborn as Moyes.
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When Koeman left Saints, Martina didnt feature under the new manager all season lol, i think that says enough about him (Martina)
From what i've seen from Kenny, albeit under 23s and the england under 21 world cup winning team,. he is a replica of Coleman.
I dont get it, Holgate, Kenny, and then we buy Martina.. i know it was a freebie,. but still.. must have knocked Kenny back a bit.
Koeman claims to give youth chance, but i think he's just as stubborn as Moyes.
100% agreed, I hope the latter line isn't true and it's something we don't get to see making up Koeman's mind about (not) playing him.
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I've said it before but kinda tongue-in-cheek - Kenny must look dreadful in training or have some fundamental flaw that means he isn't starting games. Anyone seen much of him and can shed some light?
Some have said Koeman is sticking with Martina as an ego thing: I've brought him to the club, I'm going to stick by him. But surely you wouldn't stick by a shit player when it could ultimately cost your team games/points?
As well as Koeman has done with the youth, he does seem a bit reluctant to give them a chance initially.
If it weren't for injuries then Tom Cleverley would still be around and Tom Davies out on loan.
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But surely you wouldn't stick by a shit player when it could ultimately cost your team games/points?
*cough* Williams *cough*
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All the goals on this page, perhaps one of you knows how to re-link the videos in this article directly into a post?
https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2017/9/10/16283388/everton-under-23s-tottenham-4-1-match-recap-highlights-watch-goals
gizzblue has the much better official highlights linked below.
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Niasse doesnt seem like the same raw talent we originally signed.
he looks composed, aware of whats going on around him, i know it was the reserve league, but he's offered more in that highlights package (and the chelsea highlights) to be ahead of Sandro for me.,. which is fucking unbelievable.
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Niasse doesnt seem like the same raw talent we originally signed.
he looks composed, aware of whats going on around him, i know it was the reserve league, but he's offered more in that highlights package (and the chelsea highlights) to be ahead of Sandro for me.,. which is fucking unbelievable.
It's under 23s football!
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jllg3kHtULs
Quality from Niasse
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jllg3kHtULs
Quality from Niasse
That's more like it! So they took 24 hours to slap the official highlights up...
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It's under 23s football!
So his good control, passing and finishing can't translate? I'd agree his movement might not look so hot against better defenders, I bet you posted that without watching the goals!
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posted with out the hyperlink
awesome cross by kenny, plus the ball down the line to Henen for the third goal, what does he have to do to get a look in??
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If Niasse was an academy product, we'd all be crying out for him to be starting in the first team. He can't be any worse than what we've seen so far....can he?
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If Niasse was an academy product, we'd all be crying out for him to be starting in the first team. He can't be any worse than what we've seen so far....can he?
I don't want him getting thrown in against Utd but I hope he's at least on the bench for the EFL cup tie. I think it's more likely Koeman will see that fixture as a chance to build the confidence of his preferred players though. It just seems he's earnt a shot at some senior game-time against somebody or other.
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I don't want him getting thrown in against Utd but I hope he's at least on the bench for the EFL cup tie. I think it's more likely Koeman will see that fixture as a chance to build the confidence of his preferred players though. It just seems he's earnt a shot at some senior game-time against somebody or other.
i would throw him in against united.. play DCL up top with NIASSETY, give Man U something different to think about, 2 strikers who want to stretch the pitch, then we can play 3-5-2 and pack out midfield/defense. least we will have 2 players with decent pace who want to get in behind.. i'd drop Rooney, Sig will have to runners/strikers to aim for..
worth a shot in my view.. i bet with that strikeforce we have more than the average of 1.75 shots on target a match.
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i would throw him in against united.. play DCL up top with NIASSETY, give Man U something different to think about, 2 strikers who want to stretch the pitch, then we can play 3-5-2 and pack out midfield/defense. least we will have 2 players with decent pace who want to get in behind.. i'd drop Rooney, Sig will have to runners/strikers to aim for..
worth a shot in my view.. i bet with that strikeforce we have more than the average of 1.75 shots on target a match.
Never going to happen though, is it? It would mean dropping Rooney and Klaassen, and only one of DCL or Sandro could start with Oumar.
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Never going to happen though, is it? It would mean dropping Rooney and Klaassen, and only one of DCL or Sandro could start with Oumar.
id drop rooney/sandro and klaassen for the man utd match and play alll 3 of them behind DCL v Atlanta lol.
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Isn't he excluded from EL squad?
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Isn't he excluded from EL squad?
I nearly had that reaction then realised what SANA says makes sense, Sandro/Rooney/Klaassen behind DCL for the Europa, for Utd he'd play Niasse with one of Rooney/Sandro and have Sigurdsson behind them!
Never going to happen nor should it of course!
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For a minute there I thought I read that people wanted to see Niasse thrown in to play away at Old Trafford.
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For a minute there I thought I read that people wanted to see Niasse thrown in to play away at Old Trafford.
Call me mad but I'd have him on the bench instead of Mirallas.
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For a minute there I thought I read that people wanted to see Niasse thrown in to play away at Old Trafford.
lol thats what i said dcl up top with big niassety
I nearly had that reaction then realised what SANA says makes sense, Sandro/Rooney/Klaassen behind DCL for the Europa, for Utd he'd play Niasse with one of Rooney/Sandro and have Sigurdsson behind them!
Never going to happen nor should it of course!
close, for united id play dcl and niasse up top with Siggy behind them gana and Schneiderlin in midfield, 2 wing backs, 3 cbs.
hopefully that way, we may get some rest bite for our defense, with big niasste and dcl making runs in behind.. we could even play Martina,, as he gets crossed into the box!
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back on topic :)
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under 23 related :p
noticed a new channel on sky (i dont subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions) to any of the channels) its 424 FREESPORTS, it has live La Liga on it and has live matches from the Belgian Jupiler league... tomorrow morning they're showing Kortrik V Anderlecht. I expect Onyekuru to score a hat-trick! (think the match is played today tho, recorded match tomorrow) but last week they showed 3 live games from the Jupiler league
FreeSports launches in UK - these are the football matches it will show
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/freesports-launches-uk-football-matches-13549972
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under 23 related :p
noticed a new channel on sky (i dont subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions) to any of the channels) its 424 FREESPORTS, it has live La Liga on it and has live matches from the Belgian Jupiler league... tomorrow morning they're showing Kortrik V Anderlecht. I expect Onyekuru to score a hat-trick! (think the match is played today tho, recorded match tomorrow) but last week they showed 3 live games from the Jupiler league
FreeSports launches in UK - these are the football matches it will show
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/freesports-launches-uk-football-matches-13549972
Onyekuru came on in the 63rd minute and scored the equalizer in the 76th minute...he rescued a point for them in a 2-2 draw. Also booked.
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Anderlecht manager been sacked wonder if that will affect onyerkru?
Also, Gone a bit quiet on the dowell front, anyone know how he is doing?
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All I can say is that all of the Championship loanee's are getting plenty of minutes except Pennington who mut still be injured. I think Dowell might be getting a bit more respect from the opposition now because he was the first substituted on the hour mark of Forest's last match, I haven't seen highlights of their last few though.
Browning was dropped after being the main culprit of Sunderland losing last Tuesday, it was a bit like Keane to Schneiderlin, if the receiving player had been a bit more alert the misplaced place would have still been recovered but alas he played the opposition winger in, seconds later it's a goal conceded.
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Galloway hasn't even made the bench in the last few matches. Is he injured or is his loan spell going tits up again?
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we're playing tonight.. anyone know if its on any channels? do the under 23 games be on the Everton fc webpage? how much is it to watch them on there?
rather watch the under23s than the first team atm.
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Galloway hasn't even made the bench in the last few matches. Is he injured or is his loan spell going tits up again?
My Sunderland supporting pal said he s been dreadful
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Galloway hasn't even made the bench in the last few matches. Is he injured or is his loan spell going tits up again?
Its mad to think that people were saying he was better than Baines 2 years ago
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lol you can watch Spurs v Swans on Sportklub 3 Slovenia
but no everton ;/
just sorted it.. joined the Derby FC site, free streaming of under 23 games.
https://www.dcfc.co.uk/fixtures/results/2017/09/18/u23-v-everton#live-video
you have to register, then its free :)
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I won't be able to watch it due to the working week but great determination to provide for the Toffee masses @SANA_DR0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6573) !
p.s. Galloway is almost certainly injured because Donald Love and Adam Matthews are truly diabolical, not to mention Brendan is the only left-sided cover.
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haha thanks Marky Mark,
I guess if Kenny plays tonight he doesn't play on Wednesday night..
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Kenny isn't playing I don't think?
Edit: not even on the bench, must be starting Wednesday.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/909824356687028224
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haha thanks Marky Mark,
I guess if Kenny plays tonight he doesn't play on Wednesday night..
Good call! Damn I've got work in 4 hours but I'm tempted to stay awake long enough to see the line-up haha
Nevermind, cheers @Duncs_a_legend (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=598) , that confirms it!
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Kenny isn't playing I don't think?
Edit: not even on the bench, must be starting Wednesday.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/909824356687028224
Awesome, cheers Dunc you legend!
I guess that means Koemans been on NSNO and knows we want to see the king Niasse and King Kenny :S on wednesday!!
even more excited about tonight now!
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Awesome, cheers Dunc you legend!
I guess that means Koemans been on NSNO and knows we want to see the king Niasse and King Kenny :S on wednesday!!
even more excited about tonight now!
F'kin 'ell I'd forgotten about Jar-Jar Oumar :D
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1-0 up Charsley
Nice to watch an attacking Everton
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Charsley charges down Wassall’s headed clearance in the box and slots past Mitchell from a tight angle.
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our under 23 team defends better than our main team..
conditions are terrible tho
under 18 goal V West Brom
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lol you can watch Spurs v Swans on Sportklub 3 Slovenia
but no everton ;/
just sorted it.. joined the Derby FC site, free streaming of under 23 games.
https://www.dcfc.co.uk/fixtures/results/2017/09/18/u23-v-everton#live-video
you have to register, then its free :)
Nice one lid.
Only half watched it as I was playing PES then eating a chippy and watching Corrie, but stand out player for me was Anthony Evans.
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Kenny isn't playing I don't think?
Edit: not even on the bench, must be starting Wednesday.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/909824356687028224
I've noticed the young French lad Mathis seems to be training with the first team and isn't in the squad there.
Oh and no niasse there either :)
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Did anyone get snap those Harry Potter tickets up?
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I've noticed the young French lad Mathis seems to be training with the first team and isn't in the squad there.
Oh and no niasse there either :)
Or Lookman.
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I've noticed the young French lad Mathis seems to be training with the first team and isn't in the squad there.
Oh and no niasse there either :)
A lad I know marked him in a friendly this summer, admittedly he was only playing for flint but he said the French lad was so strong and his touch was immense
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Did we win then?
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yep 1-0
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Nice one lid.
Only half watched it as I was playing PES then eating a chippy and watching Corrie, but stand out player for me was Anthony Evans.
for me it was the Derby striker Babos.
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Anyone know how luke garbutt is getting on in the u23s these days ? Had high hopes for him but he seemed to have fallen away.
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Are we near the top of the league in this again? I know we started a bit ropey with all the new signings but are we back on it now?
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Garbutt been playing CB? Often see two recognised LBs in those YTS line-ups.
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Anderlecht manager been sacked wonder if that will affect onyerkru?
Also, Gone a bit quiet on the dowell front, anyone know how he is doing?
News from Sherwod forest is that although the Tricky Trees (yes - they call themselves that - seriously) are playing shite at the moment, young Kieran is still turning heads.
He's finding it hard at the moment because he's not getting enough game-time according to the Forest faithful - and when he does - the rest of the team are so crap that he struggles to have an impact.
Word on the street though is that he is still considered their best midfielder, by most fans and by some distance.
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Nice one lid.
Only half watched it as I was playing PES then eating a chippy and watching Corrie, but stand out player for me was Anthony Evans.
:snigger:
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:snigger:
🤷🏻♂️
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🤷🏻♂️
😂👍
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Really don't know what you're getting at
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Really don't know what you're getting at
Who Fukkin does.
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Really don't know what you're getting at
Just a dopey prick trying to troll.
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Was just messing mate as fifa is better imo, calm down ladies, false alarm. No need to get your knickers in a twist. Have a lovely day xxx
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Was just messing mate as fifa is better imo, calm down ladies, false alarm. No need go get your knickers in a twist. Have a lovely day xxx
I was hoping it was that. I'm a newly converted PES man and will happily chat all day long about that.
However it probably says a lot about how on edge people are with you at the minute mate. I don't even always disagree with you because I'm so disappointed with the season so far but you're running the risk of just being seen as a token troll.
Not having a go, just pointing it out.
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Are we near the top of the league in this again? I know we started a bit ropey with all the new signings but are we back on it now?
In 3rd on 10 points. 5 points off Liverpool who are top who have won all 5 games.
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I was hoping it was that. I'm a newly converted PES man and will happily chat all day long about that.
However it probably says a lot about how on edge people are with you at the minute mate. I don't even always disagree with you because I'm so disappointed with the season so far but you're running the risk of just being seen as a token troll.
Not having a go, just pointing it out.
Yeah I tried PES but the servers were crap
I honestly couldn't care less if people are on edge with me mate
I've asked many times for people to show me examples of my trolling but they can't so it doesn't arse me what people think.
It's only a little harem who don't like me and it's mainly cos they don't like the truth.
But thanks for the heads up dude.
Hope you have a good day 👍
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He's finding it hard at the moment because he's not getting enough game-time according to the Forest faithful
629 minutes from a possible 900 isn't bad really, he's had 2/3 of the gametime. Great that he's well thought of though.
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629 minutes from a possible 900 isn't bad really, he's had 2/3 of the gametime. Great that he's well thought of though.
Haha - dunno the stats but:
my boss, Lee, at work - "I don't know why they don't play him more"
my mate Angel "I think they're trying to protect him a bit - maybe there is an agreement with Everton that he won't play every game?"
my mum's next door neighbour Ian - "I love him - I just wish they'd play him more"
All season-ticket holders. Lee goes to most home games, Angel goes home and away, Ian goes every home game.
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Haha - dunno the stats but:
my boss, Lee, at work - "I don't know why they don't play him more"
my mate Angel "I think they're trying to protect him a bit - maybe there is an agreement with Everton that he won't play every game?"
my mum's next door neighbour Ian - "I love him - I just wish they'd play him more"
All season-ticket holders. Lee goes to most home games, Angel goes home and away, Ian goes every home game.
Great stuff, thanks for sharing. I did look earlier, excluding added time he managed 62, 69, 27, 90, 62, 90, 90, 45, 63, 31 minutes which seems decent from our development perspective but it's high praise that the Forest faithful believe he should be getting more :)
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Haha - dunno the stats but:
my boss, Lee, at work - "I don't know why they don't play him more"
my mate Angel "I think they're trying to protect him a bit - maybe there is an agreement with Everton that he won't play every game?"
my mum's next door neighbour Ian - "I love him - I just wish they'd play him more"
All season-ticket holders. Lee goes to most home games, Angel goes home and away, Ian goes every home game.
Loved angel (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170919/52dcb08a37f1bd6e64df8a6d303bca7b.jpg)
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Onyekeru scored the winner for anderlecht tonight in a cup game
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Onyekeru scored the winner for anderlecht tonight in a cup game
It's like seeing a nice car in the showroom and you haven't past your test yet.. he should be doing that for us !
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Bring him back in January
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This year so far -
3 goals in 6 games in the league
4 goals in 9 games in all competitions
I don;t know how many were starts or subs, sorry.
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You've got to say they are impressive stats.
Really interesting one this.
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This year so far -
3 goals in 6 games in the league
4 goals in 9 games in all competitions
I don;t know how many were starts or subs, sorry.
I know he got 2 in one game.
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Should get that Gerkens too. Would be delicious on the right with Coleman.
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We've got a really good crop of youngsters at the club now, could be exciting times ahead. I just wish we had a clearly identifiable formation and way of playing to slot them into. All feels a bit slapdash at the minute, hopefully a few wins on the bounce will change all that.
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not sure what to do this evening... Watch Dowell V Villa, or watch Mahrez and Gray destroy Liverpool.
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18 year old central defender Morgan Feeney looks a good prospect - pretty sure he's captained the U23's
If Williams gets injured and with Keane and Jags out, straight in at the deep end for this lad - no problem
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was going to go to my mates and watch arsenal match (hes a big arsenal fan)
then i realised we're playing arsenal tonight :D
ill try and find a stream. if not on the efc website
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKlk1udXUAEKdAX.jpg)
cant even find the stream on everton tv on everton.com ;/ wtf
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just this blog ;/
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/09/25/evertonlive-u23s-face-arsenal
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This year so far -
3 goals in 6 games in the league
4 goals in 9 games in all competitions
I don;t know how many were starts or subs, sorry.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/henry-onyekuru/leistungsdaten/spieler/380415
4 started, 3 subbed for league.
Was subbed in for CL game at 60 minutes.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKlk1udXUAEKdAX.jpg)
cant even find the stream on everton tv on everton.com ;/ wtf
No Kenny there. Assume he’ll play (hopefully start) on Thursday.
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its 1-1 now
20:25 Almost A Second! evertonfc.com
Good play from Henen and Jones down the right sees the latter flash the ball across the six yard box. Sambou lunges but can't quite get a touch to steer it home.
20:23 GOAL! evertonfc.com
The two subs combine to haul Everton level! Sambou plays in Donkor and the German calmly slots past Huddart!
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Henen Sambou Donkor is a powerhouse front 3, bags of technical ability and pace as well.
going the next U23 game at goodison I reckon.
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winning now.
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2-2 now
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Winning again
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won 4-2 - goals from Donkor, Henen, Evans and an Own goal
Came back from 0-1 down at Half Time too
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great result, cant wait to see the goals.. shame it wasnt on live.. anyone know why it wasnt on?
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https://twitter.com/HenenDavid/status/912417331661479937
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https://twitter.com/HenenDavid/status/912417331661479937
Look at Unsie's little college of knowledge there. Going to win the league again these lads.
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Looks like Gethin Jones has broken his leg tonight. :(
Shame as was getting close to first team
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Look at Unsie's little college of knowledge there. Going to win the league again these lads.
College of Knowledge
I like that.
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Best players promoted to the first team and still pulling off results like this.
Unsworth deserves massive credit.
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Looks like Gethin Jones has broken his leg tonight. :(
Shame as was getting close to first team
Terrible news that he's one of the real old guard of this u23 side.
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Best players promoted to the first team and still pulling off results like this.
Unsworth deserves massive credit.
Got to be one of the biggest budgets in PL2 at his disposal.
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Looks like Gethin Jones has broken his leg tonight. :(
Shame as was getting close to first team
Was he?
What you heard there?
From the outside he looked like he was about fifth to sixth choice
Horrible for the lad, hasn't he had a bad injury before??
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Got to be one of the biggest budgets in PL2 at his disposal.
Koeman has showed throwing money at replacements is harder than it looks.
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Second in the league after that bad start. 4 wins in a row. Not bad. :)
http://uk.soccerway.com/teams/england/everton-u23/37158/
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double fracture
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Second in the league after that bad start. 4 wins in a row. Not bad. :)
http://uk.soccerway.com/teams/england/everton-u23/37158/
Have they got Baningime's age down as 29 there
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Have they got Baningime's age down as 29 there
Yeah, they have. Lazy journalism. ;)
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Was he?
What you heard there?
From the outside he looked like he was about fifth to sixth choice
Horrible for the lad, hasn't he had a bad injury before??
Can't remember where I read about his 1st team prospects Jim but it was seemingly close.
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Great shame for Jones :(
My own impression of him was that he is going to play for Wales, but never be good enough for us. I reckon he will have a solid career but his peak level would be similar to Shane Duffy, which is not a bad thing, jsut not top third of the Premier League quality.
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Good news for Jones...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-defender-gethin-jones-escapes-13675141
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Good news for Jones...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-defender-gethin-jones-escapes-13675141
Good news in a bad news roundabout way....
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Just thinking is Jones in the Europa squad and if he is can we call up a replacement for him. You all know who I mean
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I love the name BANING ME wish he gets into the first team, be an awesome handle on here as well..
I guess if the match isnt live on Everton TV, they upload the highlights the next day :D
some terrible goal keeping in that, the under 23s look so happy :D
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Great goal from Antony Evans. Super lanky but super skilled.
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Great goal from Antony Evans. Super lanky but super skilled.
Have you read much about biningime or adeniran? Like the look of what I've seen of both in the glimpses of what I've seen.
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Have you read much about biningime or adeniran? Like the look of what I've seen of both in the glimpses of what I've seen.
Unsworth seems to really like Baningime. He played a big role last season with Joe Williams out and Davies moving up to the first team. He's a bit small but he's quick and does a lot of good defensive work. Fulham supporters thought highly of Adeniran and were disappointed to see him go but I don't much about him since he's so new.
The Grand Old Team "Everton Youth Teams Thread" is where I get most of my info about these players, although I haven't been keeping up lately. A few of the posters on there go to the U23 games regularly and have a pretty good idea of how highly rated the players are. It's probably the only thread on that site worth reading.
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The Grand Old Team "Everton Youth Teams Thread" is where I get most of my info about these players, although I haven't been keeping up lately.
Sort it out, Kramer, FFS...
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Nice to see Kieran Dowell back amongst the goals today,bagging the winner in a 2-1 win against Sheff Utd.
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Great shame for Jones :(
My own impression of him was that he is going to play for Wales, but never be good enough for us. I reckon he will have a solid career but his peak level would be similar to Shane Duffy, which is not a bad thing, jsut not top third of the Premier League quality.
Shane Duffy was good enough to be given a decent chance (long term) in the first team.
He played exceedingly well when called upon during an injury crisis. Only for Moyes to drop him immediately when more senior players were available.
I'm a David Moyes fan, but not in this instance.
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Shane Duffy was good enough to be given a decent chance (long term) in the first team.
He played exceedingly well when called upon during an injury crisis. Only for Moyes to drop him immediately when more senior players were available.
I'm a David Moyes fan, but not in this instance.
Moyes always went for experience because he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag .
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Moyes always went for experience because he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag .
Not sure I totally agree with that. He wasn't a one season wonder with us you know.
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Not sure I totally agree with that. He wasn't a one season wonder with us you know.
I agree but he never looked likely to progress us ( finances a reason ) and we always seemed to run through beaten horses to finish 7th or 8th . Thats fine if thats what is acceptable given the lack of investment he faced . He did however prefer ( a bit like Ronald ) square pegging a seasoned pro rather than giving youngsters a chance unless injuries meant he had no choice . I would accept that had he had money he may have been able to develop youngsters over a longer period .
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under 18s drew 1-1 with man utd. been trying to find a decent link for it since yesterday. but nothing yet.. best article so far
Everton U18s held by Manchester United in game stifled by poor finishing
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-u18s-held-manchester-united-13697628
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Even the under 18 right back looks better than Martina.
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I'm sure Martina would look decent against U18 opposition.
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Even the under 18 right back looks better than Martina.
Very good attacking. Some nice interplay in the run up to his assist, some attacking intent and putting the ball into the box and before that - an amazing crossfield ball from right back to left wing that was close to perfect.
But he did stop tracking his runner for the goal though. He gave up on the run but if he'd stayed with his man he would have at least been in a position to challenge him and maybe stop the goal, giving us a win instead of a draw.
If that sounds harsh - I don't mean to be. It's only U18's, not the end of the world and I'm sure he'll learn from it. It is nice seeing the youngsters do well. Reckon the U23's would beat the senior side at the mo (even though it's half made up of U23's).
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4942486/Everton-poised-offer-Beni-Baningime-new-contract.html
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Boss player him.
He's the next one to break through.
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No time like the present, with Feeney
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I'm sure Martina would look decent against U18 opposition.
He should do. He'd be old enough to be their dad in some areas of Liverpool.
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Would like to see another young player make a Davies-style breakthrough this season and a DM would be great so we don't have to persist watching MS and Gueye go through the motions for another 30odd games.
It's a rarity that you see a breakthrough like Davies though isn't it.
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"Head like a rocket, stuck his finger in the socket, punk mother fucker called Baningime"
(One for the oldschoolers)
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the spine of the under 21 team is ours :d
https://twitter.com/England/status/917763012089573381
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the spine of the under 21 team is ours :d
https://twitter.com/England/status/917763012089573381
Good to see our lads getting selected in front of Solanke and Alexander-Arnold.
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Good to see our lads getting selected in front of Solanke and Alexander-Arnold.
lots of dodgy youtube links, no legit links :(
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only link i've found that doesnt ask for CC verification.
http://www.vipbox.nu/football/513040/1/andorra-u21-vs-england-u21-live-stream-online.html
but not streaming anything, says its waiting. but the match started 20 mins ago :(
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Good to see our lads getting selected in front of Solanke and Alexander-Arnold.
It's cos they are playing Andorra
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It's cos they are playing Andorra
its a conspiracy! most amount of Everton players in an England team since the under 20 world cup, and its not even fucking on anywhere..
I think its on bet365. but they dont seem to remember who i am, and want me to create a new account and deposit 5£
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Tom Davies scored to give england the win!
Vlasic scored for Croatia last night :D
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Tom Davies is going to be a worldy.
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It's cos they are playing Andorra
Didn’t even clock the opposition
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"Head like a rocket, stuck his finger in the socket, punk mother fucker called Baningime"
(One for the oldschoolers)
Yeah that Kid can Play :)
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Jose Baxter started tonight
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And we're 1-0 thanks to Sambou
2-0! Garbutt smashes in a free kick
Live on City's Facebook
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Jose Baxter started tonight
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/26BGqofNXjxluwX0k/giphy.gif)
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What a goal by Luke Garbutt Fantastic free kick
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Where's Everyone watching this
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Where's Everyone watching this
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Didn't expect that to embed, boss!
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TA
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3-0
Might just ditch the first team
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David Prentice has just called Garbutt free kick saucy.... I feel sick
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Go on the lads.
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https://twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/918922713091268608
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Please let's appoint a manager who has a strong record developing young players. We've got a right crop, if we can harness and develop them properly.
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Please let's appoint a manager who has a strong record developing young players. We've got a right crop, if we can harness and develop them properly.
David unsworth?
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David unsworth?
And let's lure Arteta back as assistant :)
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There’s a very good chance we might win the U-23 league for the second year in succession with half of last year’s team having moved either upwards or out on loan. That would be some going and massive credit to Unsworth and his staff.
The future is bright, shame the present is pretty dull.
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Their last game of the season is against Liverpool. If they can or already have won the league by then we should totally have that game at Goodison
why we would only bottle it
didnt realise it was from january
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We do have one of the highest budgets for the u23. Even more than City's.
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We do have one of the highest budgets for the u23. Even more than City's.
Great to know Unsworth can manage and identify the right players too!
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U18's won 5-1 @ Sunderland today.
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U18's won 5-1 @ Sunderland today.
The U-18’s could probably beat Sunderland’s first team 5-1.
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The U-18’s could probably beat Sunderland’s first team 5-1.
They could probably beat our first team 5-1
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the difference between the way our under 23s play and the first team plays..
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Battered tonight by wolfsburg
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Made a lot of changes and were 1-0 at HT so hardly battered.
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Made a lot of changes and were 1-0 at HT so hardly battered.
Going off the match report they were
Yes lots of changes, two lads from u18s playing cb which is good to hear
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How dare they let James McCarthy taint the under 23s with his presence.
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It seemed a strange approach to the game to me, they played not only two under 18's lads (who to be fair sound like they had a good game) but they also gave a few of the squad players a game. The echo seemed to think this is because they have a big game on Friday. Would getting them used to playing two games in a week not be good prep for playing for the first team? Jesus my under 15 team played four games in a week at the end of least season to get all their games in
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They're obviously missing Oumar
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It seemed a strange approach to the game to me, they played not only two under 18's lads (who to be fair sound like they had a good game) but they also gave a few of the squad players a game. The echo seemed to think this is because they have a big game on Friday. Would getting them used to playing two games in a week not be good prep for playing for the first team? Jesus my under 15 team played four games in a week at the end of least season to get all their games in
Unsworth and his team have a pretty good record so far so I'll trust their judgement on how they best utilise the lads in the setup.
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Unsworth and his team have a pretty good record so far so I'll trust their judgement on how they best utilise the lads in the setup.
Yes totally agree, just seemed a bit strange :)
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Yes totally agree, just seemed a bit strange :)
Keeping up the long everton tradition of being shite in Europe.
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Unsworth out.
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Unsworth out.
Long as it's for interim first team job...I concur.
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Something to watch while in work tomorrow
https://twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/921041530894381058
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Full game on live at 2pm kick off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DdpX7660rA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DdpX7660rA)
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The video has been removed by the user, nice one. Been a good 24hrs at EFC.
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Hello Lazarou, you old fool it's on facebook now.
https://t.co/YjJJ3aWoit (https://t.co/YjJJ3aWoit)
Jose Baxter playing!
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lost 1-0 , could have gone top as the shite lost on Monday.
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The U-18’s could probably beat Sunderland’s first team 5-1.
Ok so they beat previously unbeaten, top of the league, Man City 5-3 today.
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How old is Sandro - 22? Could do with watching him play for the U23's to see if he would stand out - not so sure that he would
Klaassen, on the other hand, would look class - and so he should!
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How old is Sandro - 22? Could do with watching him play for the U23's to see if he would stand out - not so sure that he would
Klaassen, on the other hand, would look class - and so he should!
i said this around 2 weeks ago.. i just got laughed by bluebeagle or blue someone.. but thats what needs to happen.. the benefits for them are so much better than just sitting on the bench..
anyway
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That fraser hornby, goes like a fucking train doesnt he
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I
i said this around 2 weeks ago.. i just got laughed by bluebeagle or blue someone.. but thats what needs to happen.. the benefits for them are so much better than just sitting on the bench..
anyway
I think putting Sandro, in the Under 23's would do him the world of good. Get him playing 90 minutes so will get him fitter. Scoring goals and build his confidence. Also playing football with guys of the same age group may help him enjoy his football for a while and get a smile back on his face.
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I’m all for Sandro in the U23s. Did Niasse the world of good.
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Ex Barcelona? We would soon find out
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I’m all for Sandro in the U23s. Did Niasse the world of good.
The good thing with Unsworth taking the reins for the first team is; he's got his finger on the pulse for the U23s and should be able to make a well-informed decision were Sandro is concerned. Koeman getting sacked could be a blessing in disguise were Sandro and Everton are concerned. Over to you Unsy mate. It's all yours. :)
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https://twitter.com/SoppyToffee/status/922573506025607168
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So, do we reckon Unsworth will give any of the U23s a go in the first team?
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I wonder who will take the reigns for the U23's whilst Unsy has the first team, maybe Dunc could cut his teeth there
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So, do we reckon Unsworth will give any of the U23s a go in the first team?
We don't need them. We have more than enough youth in the first team setup at the minute, he just needs to concentrate on getting the first team squad back up to the levels required instead of throwing more kids into a tough situation.
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So, do we reckon Unsworth will give any of the U23s a go in the first team?
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/922822091312975872
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/922822091312975872
Shame Cuco is still hanging around like a bad smell. Was hoping he would have been in Ronald's car boot yesterday and onto the next stepping stone to Barca.
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Beni Bangingmeme meant to be very highly regarded.
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Jeffers is taking temporary charge
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We don't need them. We have more than enough youth in the first team setup at the minute, he just needs to concentrate on getting the first team squad back up to the levels required instead of throwing more kids into a tough situation.
Not sure. Think I'd like to see someone else have a go at left back (not suggesting we have that player in the u23s as I wouldn't know)
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Not sure. Think I'd like to see someone else have a go at left back (not suggesting we have that player in the u23s as I wouldn't know)
We do but he’s not registered to play.
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Loved that second goal.
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Two things. 1. Hornby knows where the net is, must have a good record at this level. 2. The intro of those vids makes me think the highlight soundtrack is teenage dirtbag.
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Two things. 1. Hornby knows where the net is, must have a good record at this level. 2. The intro of those vids makes me think the highlight soundtrack is teenage dirtbag.
Similar, but it's definitely a different song. The guitarist is certainly a fan of The Edge.
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Two things. 1. Hornby knows where the net is, must have a good record at this level. 2. The intro of those vids makes me think the highlight soundtrack is teenage dirtbag.
Hadnt watched it with sound, so had to go back and rewatch and youre right!
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Hornby scores every week.
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Hornby scores every week.
Been training with the first team.
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Two things. 1. Hornby knows where the net is, must have a good record at this level. 2. The intro of those vids makes me think the highlight soundtrack is teenage dirtbag.
the music in the videos is awesome.
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Hornby scores every week.
Be a result of his train-ing.
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Sounds like he’s on the right track.
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Sounds like he’s on the right track.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/b161ae34807aa6170707373fdb8584c4/tenor.gif?itemid=7862638)
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Hornby scores every week.
It’s hard to gauge his ability. Tends to go steaming into tackles. He’s a bit off the rails if you ask me.
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Been training with the first team.
Really? Mans young as fuck.
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He's a big unit like
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He’s got some boss smut on his IG following. :evil:
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was 0-0 when i looked, went a made a cuppa losing 2-0 fucking RS
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3-0
This feels familiar.
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Francis Jeffers is managing these.
Another reason unsworth can't continue being our manager
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4-0
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Francis Jeffers
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Francis Jeffers
He had £50 on the result.
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I see Liam Walsh is back. And Anthony Evans.
Bah, i got Anthony Evans and Antonee Robinson mixed up. I thought we might have a left back.
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F-T 0-0
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Linked with a striker from Hertha...
http://www.alfredopedulla.com/dalla-germania-gli-occhi-delleverton-kiprit-dellhertha/
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Linked with a striker from Hertha...
http://www.alfredopedulla.com/dalla-germania-gli-occhi-delleverton-kiprit-dellhertha/
Muhammed Kiprit, 9 goals/4 assists in 12 games at the German equivalent of the U23s. Turkish U19 international, born in Berlin. 18 years old, and as of two weeks ago had yet to sign personal terms on a senior contract.
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Strategy:
Phase 1: Sign all of the U23 strikers in Europe.
Phase 2: Wait for the next great forward to emerge.
Phase 3: Win or profit.
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Strategy:
Phase 1: Sign all of the U23 strikers in Europe.
Phase 2: Wait for the next great forward to emerge.
Phase 3: Win or profit.
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/63046255/sign-all-the-strikers.jpg)
back on topic
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Strategy:
Phase 1: Sign all of the U23 strikers in Europe.
Phase 2: Wait for the next great forward to emerge.
Phase 3: Win or profit.
That you, Arsene?
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That you, Arsene?
He's not even that forward thinking these days. Just pays big money for players and lets them run their contracts down now.
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Lost to Leicester tonight 2-1
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Five youngsters in the top 100. Highest English club, second only to Leverkusen and level with Real.
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5147331/Mbappe-overtakes-Alli-Europes-valuable-youngster.html
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Lad called Inar Iversen on the bench tonight. Not heard of him or ever seen him in any squad. Anyone know who he is?
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Lad called Inar Iversen on the bench tonight. Not heard of him or ever seen him in any squad. Anyone know who he is?
Norwegian kid. We brought him in on trial a while ago. Must of extended it. Think he’s a CM.
That’s all I’ve got.
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Lad called Inar Iversen on the bench tonight. Not heard of him or ever seen him in any squad. Anyone know who he is?
He's refined, sublime, he makes you feel fine
Though very much maligned and misunderstood
But if you know 'Inar he's a real crowd pleaser
He's ever so good, is Inar Iversen.
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He's refined, sublime, he makes you feel fine
Though very much maligned and misunderstood
But if you know 'Inar he's a real crowd pleaser
He's ever so good, is Inar Iversen.
Let's hope he makes the first team - if only for this on the terraces. If only
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He's refined, sublime, he makes you feel fine
Though very much maligned and misunderstood
But if you know 'Inar he's a real crowd pleaser
He's ever so good, is Inar Iversen.
That sir, is a thing of beauty
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McCarthy and Bolasie playing for the U-23s tomorrow
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McCarthy and Bolasie playing for the U-23s tomorrow
Boss.
About bolasie that is. McCarthy can fuck off
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Boss.
About bolasie that is. McCarthy can fuck off
"Calm down"!
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https://twitter.com/matty2102/status/940204229863575554
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Bolasie is exactly what we need; pace, power, direct - he’ll start the second he’s fully fit.
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Winning 0-1 half time.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/940217502780583936
Decent finish but you could squeeze Russia through the two CBs.
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Winning 0-1 half time.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/940217502780583936
Decent finish but you could squeeze Russia through the two CBs.
Thought he showed some good glimpses the other night, he's only 17 aint he?
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Thought he showed some good glimpses the other night, he's only 17 aint he?
18 a couple of months ago
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18 a couple of months ago
Looked a decent player, hope he progresses
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Bolasie just came on
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Good luck Yannick. It's been a long hard road. :)
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Lost 2 1 despite being 1 up with 10 to go
Bolaisie got 30mins
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Unsworth Out!
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Lost 2 1 despite being 1 up with 10 to go
Bolaisie got 30mins
Everton that.
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Everton that.
not really, our under 23 team have scored lots and lots of late goals to win games and turn the matches around.
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Don't recall McCarthy playing.
Is that sack of shite injured again?
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Winning 0-1 half time.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/940217502780583936
Decent finish but you could squeeze Russia through the two CBs.
He is such a dreamboat 😍
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He is such a dreamboat 😍
Unit on the sly isn’t he, massive
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Don't recall McCarthy playing.
Is that sack of shite injured again?
Is there a more pointless player in the payroll?
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Is there a more pointless player in the payroll?
Jose Baxter?
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Is there a more pointless player in the payroll?
Stek ?.
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Unit on the sly isn’t he, massive
So.
I've.
Heard.
:blush:
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Stek ?.
Forgot he even existed. Must've subconciously assumed he left with Koeman.
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Yannick played 1st half v Zagreb tonight- game ended 0-0
and apparently some one called McCarthy played 45 Min
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:love: :love: :love:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM0lkLWAAAiFaX.jpg:large)
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:love: :love: :love:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM0lkLWAAAiFaX.jpg:large)
I love Jonjoe's Scal Swag 💛
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It's nice having a boy-band in the side.
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:love: :love: :love:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM0lkLWAAAiFaX.jpg:large)
Why is mason Holgate doing an impression of Ashley Cole
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Web ranking :
Lookman
Davies
Kenny
DCL
Mase
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:love: :love: :love:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM0lkLWAAAiFaX.jpg:large)
Is it just me or do they all look photoshopped into that picture
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Is it just me or do they all look photoshopped into that picture
When I look at that photo I think "class of 92" could be...could be...
(Bally-a fellow insomniac)
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Web ranking :
Lookman
Davies
Kenny
DCL
Mase
Would swap Davies and Lookman, but otherwise I make you spot on.
Poor efforts from Dom and Mase.
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Web ranking :
Lookman
Davies
Kenny
DCL
Mase
Agreed.
Is that a pair of Stan Smiths Davies is rocking?
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Would swap Davies and Lookman, but otherwise I make you spot on.
Poor efforts from Dom and Mase.
I’m a sucker for a gum sole but I can see your point
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I’m a sucker for a gum sole but I can see your point
Oh aye, same.
I'd always go for a plain pair of white trabs over a plain pair of black though.
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Agreed.
Is that a pair of Stan Smiths Davies is rocking?
Oh yes.
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Naa
Dom first, love a blue trab
Mase
Davies
Lookman
Kenny
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:love: :love: :love:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM0lkLWAAAiFaX.jpg:large)
What is this for haha?
Also, I know he is not English and never played for the U23s, but if we are going by just age, where is Vlasic!
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What is this for haha?
Also, I know he is not English and never played for the U23s, but if we are going by just age, where is Vlasic!
This was done a while ago I think so he probably wasn't here.
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Web ranking :
Lookman
Davies
Kenny
DCL
Mase
thats probably how i would've rated them start of the season. now it would be
Kenny.
Holgate.
DCL
Davies
Lookman.
Vlasic would slot in behind Kenny, if not 1st place.
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Why is mason Holgate doing an impression of Ashley Cole
You know what, I reckon that might be why they're cracking up 😃
Top marks, Mase, if so 👌🏼
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Agreed.
Is that a pair of Stan Smiths Davies is rocking?
And they look like proper ones too, not the new ones that have Stan Smith written on them. Another case of 'those who know, understand. Those that don't, don't matter'.
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Or Dunlop Green Flash
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Cant beat the old hi tec silver shadow
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And Hi-Tec Squash
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And Hi-Tec Squash
Fucking throwbacks. ..😅
I wear hitec (Made) magnum Amazon work boots...but havnt had their trainers etc since a pair of hitec equipe footy boots 20 years back.
Cant beat the old hi tec silver shadow
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Used to rock the Hi-Tec Stradas when I was 9 (bottom of the range). Then Dunlop Gold Flash (level below Green flash) for PE a few years later. And some Joe Bloggs massively baggy jeans a la Vanilla Ice but with a 28 inch waist (and still needing a belt to keep 'em up). Basically I looked like an absolute moron
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Cant beat the old hi tec silver shadow
No longer standard issue in the military. Trying to run cross country in those fuckers was torture.
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Barnsley have apparently made a £1m offer to buy Joe Williams who is on loan there. Anyone know much about the lad?
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Barnsley have apparently made a £1m offer to buy Joe Williams who is on loan there. Anyone know much about the lad?
He looks like a good Championship DM, with around 5 tackles/interceptions per 90. Doesn't contribute much in attack but 1 dribble and 1 key pass per 90 suggest that he can do a little something. Probably has a chance of being PL quality but I think his path to ever playing for Everton is pretty well blocked with all of the pure DMs we have, Baningime included. It probably makes sense for him to move on, especially at a club where he's already doing well.
I'd be bothered more by Liam Walsh leaving permanently (there were rumours that Bristol City wanted to sign him in December). A good passer who dictates tempo is exactly what we need in the middle. We'd be better off finding a loan destination where he'll actually play. Or giving him the odd game when Rooney is out if we reach safety early enough.
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He looks like a good Championship DM, with around 5 tackles/interceptions per 90. Doesn't contribute much in attack but 1 dribble and 1 key pass per 90 suggest that he can do a little something. Probably has a chance of being PL quality but I think his path to ever playing for Everton is pretty well blocked with all of the pure DMs we have, Baningime included. It probably makes sense for him to move on, especially at a club where he's already doing well.
I'd be bothered more by Liam Walsh leaving permanently (there were rumours that Bristol City wanted to sign him in December). A good passer who dictates tempo is exactly what we need in the middle. We'd be better off finding a loan destination where he'll actually play. Or giving him the odd game when Rooney is out if we reach safety early enough.
Seems to have quitened down a bit for Walsh. Didn’t blow the doors off it at Birmingham but not sure what shape they were in at that time...Redknapp was it?
Hasn’t been near the team when obviously a few others have even in the dead rubber, although he may have been on loan or injured? Not sure if he was recalled or injured.
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Seems to have quitened down a bit for Walsh. Didn’t blow the doors off it at Birmingham but not sure what shape they were in at that time...Redknapp was it?
Hasn’t been near the team when obviously a few others have even in the dead rubber, although he may have been on loan or injured? Not sure if he was recalled or injured.
Birmingham are a mess and wanted experienced players so no surprise that he didn't play.
And he couldn't play in the dead rubber. Loan recalls can only go through during transfer windows now. The new loan rules do allow on-loan players to play for the parent club's U23s, though, which is why he came back earlier.
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He looks like a good Championship DM, with around 5 tackles/interceptions per 90. Doesn't contribute much in attack but 1 dribble and 1 key pass per 90 suggest that he can do a little something. Probably has a chance of being PL quality but I think his path to ever playing for Everton is pretty well blocked with all of the pure DMs we have, Baningime included. It probably makes sense for him to move on, especially at a club where he's already doing well.
I'd be bothered more by Liam Walsh leaving permanently (there were rumours that Bristol City wanted to sign him in December). A good passer who dictates tempo is exactly what we need in the middle. We'd be better off finding a loan destination where he'll actually play. Or giving him the odd game when Rooney is out if we reach safety early enough.
Gone today.
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Good career choice imo
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Charsley gone to Bolton on loan for the rest of season....... Good move for the lad
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Charsley gone to Bolton on loan for the rest of season....... Good move for the lad
Nice, think he quite often gets overlooked with the other talents we have but I think he’s a decent player. I back him to do well.
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Nice, think he quite often gets overlooked with the other talents we have but I think hes a decent player. I back him to do well.
Seems to be decent in various positions without really nailing down a position
Hope this goes well
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I see Brendon Galloway is possibly coming back from Sunderland. Makes sense to not be there but not sure what good he'll be here.
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I see Brendon Galloway is possibly coming back from Sunderland. Makes sense to not be there but not sure what good he'll be here.
Our u23s are struggling
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Charsley gone to Bolton on loan for the rest of season....... Good move for the lad
They seem to have done a really good job with Robinson
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They seem to have done a really good job with Robinson
Yeah, could be the start of a decent link up couldn't it
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beat Spurs 2-1 today
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Dowell panned at the weekend
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Even Özil gets panned in England and he's probably one of the five best creative players in the world.
I like Dowell but he doesn't stand a chance here.
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Anyone know much about Anthony Evans?
Scored 2 lovely goals against Spurs for the U23s the other day.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/953275790506029058
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Anyone know much about Anthony Evans?
Im guessing hes welsh.
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Im guessing hes welsh.
If kirkby has been moved over the border you'd be correct
Think he went out on loan last year, is well thought of from what I've read (bits and bobs mind you) let's hope he kicks on
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Anyone know much about Anthony Evans?
Scored 2 lovely goals against Spurs for the U23s the other day.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/953275790506029058
Good, technical player. Don't think he'll ever make it here, but can see him carving a decent enough career for himself.
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Is it Anthony Gordon the lad in the year group below who is supposed to be decent?
Could do with knowing if we have any ballers coming through and at what age.
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Colemams playing tonight
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Colemams playing tonight
Just saw that, good luck to him.
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Garbutt looking better than Cuco already .
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Jagielka commentating is awful, calls all of them by shortened names. Morgs, Garbs.... ugh
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Both Coleman and Garbutt getting forward pinging in crosses , oh how we miss that
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Garbutt looking better than Cuco already .
It's a bit of a different level isn't it
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I must be watching a different game ? Absolute shite what I’m seeing, walking around (both sides) occasional ping upfield, Garbutt absolutely shite.
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Yeah he was good for the first 5 mins , must have peaked early

1 up
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I must be watching a different game ? Absolute shite what I’m seeing, walking around (both sides) occasional ping upfield, Garbutt absolutely shite.
How can I watch?
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How can I watch?
Just search Everton on Youtube.
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How can I watch?
Just go to the O.S and click on the link.
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Nathan Broadhead has stood out for me and scored a fine goal, great to hear Coleman's name and a fine sliding challenge from him earlier on.
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Sambou makes it 2 with a lovely strike
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Comfortable 60 mins from Seamus, looked pretty good considering the amount of time out
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Even Özil gets panned in England and he's probably one of the five best creative players in the world.
I like Dowell but he doesn't stand a chance here.
correct that - this annoys me about Everton fans, how quickly we judge and turn against some players, deeming them shite after hardly any time
Sandro - 13 Games - 480 minutes - shite
Klaassen - 10 Games - 435 minutes - shite
Bolasie - 18 games - 1,300 minutes borderline shite
the list can go on, why cant we give any a fair crack let the settle and get used to the country and/or league. Tosun probably hasnt got long before he's deemed shite for all eternity
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Comfortable 60 mins from Seamus, looked pretty good considering the amount of time out
Brilliant 👌🏼
How did Garbutt look?
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Brilliant 👌🏼
How did Garbutt look?
Coiffured.
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Coiffured.
I don't doubt that.
How about his defending, crossing, pace, and positional play?
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I don't doubt that.
How about his defending, crossing, pace, and positional play?
I only seen first half and he looked good
Getting in good space and one or two decent balls a few wild ones.
It’s hard to tell as the opposition was poor however I thinks it’s worth giving him ago... ironically West Brom would of been better than the games coming up
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https://twitter.com/everton/status/956117358241820672
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Anyone else wince when they first saw that, steady on Seamus lad.
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Anyone else wince when they first saw that, steady on Seamus lad.
Exactly, great that he is clearly not afraid to go in though.
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Anyone else wince when they first saw that, steady on Seamus lad.
Best thing that could have happened to him, an early tackle with no time to think
Some of our fans* would have fewmed** had he pulled out
*Mostly twitter bellends
** Twitter fume, it genuinely serves no puropse
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I don't doubt that.
How about his defending, crossing, pace, and positional play?
Pretty much as @kewns23 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=530) says Sam really, personally he should be replacing Cuco, he took all the corners and never hit the first man, whipped some decent crosses in from open play that I'm sure Tosun or Walcott would latch on to, made runs and opened up space, ok I'm making him sound like a world beater, he isn't but he's better than what we have even if it was against shite opponents, he would give us far more balance and speed in attack down that side.
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Fuck it if garbutt is on the team sheet on Weds I will be a bit excited..
Also really like worried and dreading it but yeah, a bit excited.
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Fuck it if garbutt is on the team sheet on Weds I will be a bit excited..
Also really like worried and dreading it but yeah, a bit excited.
I think it will certainly change the dynamics of the side, well if fucking should do!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5314289/Evertons-Fraser-Hornby-solution-Toffees.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5314289/Evertons-Fraser-Hornby-solution-Toffees.html
I thought he was well off the standard in the Europa League tie.
Broadhead looked a better player.
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Formby looked all-at-sea.
Nowhere near ready.
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I thought he looked useful that day but I agree that he’s not ready.
“Runs all day” isn't going to improve us at that position. Calvert-Lewin is the king of chasing lost causes.
What we really need is better service to the forwards from midfield and wide areas.
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Mathis has joined Northampton on loan and strong rumours that unsworth will be next Oxford manager
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Mathis has joined Northampton on loan and strong rumours that unsworth will be next Oxford manager
That would be boss.
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I thought he was well off the standard in the Europa League tie.
Broadhead looked a better player.
Thought that myself, looked more dangerous in his cameo role, more skillfuller, more pace and movement. Watched the U 23's the other night he looked good in that to and again very quick.
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Hornby and Sambou both scoring in the 2-1 win against Chelsea tonight.
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Hornby and Sambou both scoring in the 2-1 win against Chelsea tonight.
Nice little double act flourishing yet again.
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Nice little double act flourishing yet again.
Aww, Vaughan & Vic :hug:
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Unsworth off to Oxford
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Unsworth off to Oxford
Got 4s
Nice one
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nice skill by Sambou
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https://twitter.com/OUFC_/status/959919041199640581
Edit: I'm aware he's not one of ours anymore, just a funny vid.
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U23 side 2-0 down at HT v Arsenal, Funes Mori making his first appearance since his injury
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Lost 4-0.
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Funes mori getting 45 mins. Going off recent history he’s close to returning to action then.
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Funes mori getting 45 mins. Going off recent history he’s close to returning to action then.
Allardyce will say he's "a considerable way off" before starting him at the weekend.
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Get him in with mangala.
Be a laugh that.
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Get him in with mangala.
Be a laugh that.
Police Academy level stuff that
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Police Academy level stuff that
Haha.
I actually like Mori me. Maybe a bit blind to his faults though.
Out of the centre halves we have, I'd say he's probably one of the better ones.
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45mins you say that will be him straight on the team sheet then going by sams other decisions
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Haha.
I actually like Mori me. Maybe a bit blind to his faults though.
Out of the centre halves we have, I'd say he's probably one of the better ones.
Haha yeah he’s alright. Has some good qualities and does some stuff well. Wonder how his passing and moving through the lines compares to the others.
Would be an absolute caper that though.
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I can see him getting on the end of a lot of Sigurdsson's crosses and free kicks.
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Mori over Williams every day, the mad Argentinean bastard
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Be good to see him try a Kung Fu kick , miss it and then see Mangala try and clear the same ball but use the wrong foot and fall over . The ball then just trickles past Pickford who has been sent the wrong way by both CH's efforts .
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Love Mori. Good player. better than what we have currently playing besides Holgate.
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I’d like to see us go three at the back before the end of the season with Williams, Mangala and Mori. Wouldn’t miss that for the world.
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I’d like to see us go three at the back before the end of the season with Williams, Mangala and Mori. Wouldn’t miss that for the world.
Big Sam would get hauled in for match fixing.
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I’d like to see us go three at the back before the end of the season with Williams, Mangala and Mori. Wouldn’t miss that for the world.
Home derby nailed on.
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Home derby nailed on.
We still have another derby to play?! 🤦♂️
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Unsworth has knocked oxford back
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Unsworth has knocked oxford back
Might be needed here before the season is up .😅
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Might be needed here before the season is up .
As soon as I heard this on the way home from work my first thought was ‘what does he know’
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Love Mori. Good player. better than what we have currently playing besides Holgate.
.....................no he isn't . He's in the same category as Robles ,a walking disaster. Makes me nervous when his name is on the teamsheet.
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.....................no he isn't . He's in the same category as Robles ,a walking disaster. Makes me nervous when his name is on the teamsheet.
Having Jagielka, Williams, Keane, MArtina and Mangala fills you with so much confidence does it?
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Might be needed here before the season is up .😅
Thats exactly what my first thought was too 😂
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Having Jagielka, Williams, Keane, MArtina and Mangala fills you with so much confidence does it?
............not exactly , but as bad as the above mentioned are ,bringing in a clown like Funes-Mori will just make matters worse.
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I reckon we should get Unsworth to coach, pick the team, tactics, manage the side, develop players etc. Get Allardyce back in the stands, rubbing his hands and giving thumbs up, threatening to take back over if the players underperform.
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As soon as I heard this on the way home from work my first thought was what does he know 
.............maybe Rhino didn't fancy moving to Oxford .He has a bit of form for not moving from the North ,didn't settle at West Ham , signed for Villa but said the commute was too long and never played. Got himself a move back to Everton.
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.............maybe Rhino didn't fancy moving to Oxford .He has a bit of form for not moving from the North ,didn't settle at West Ham , signed for Villa but said the commute was too long and never played. Got himself a move back to Everton.
The Cotswolds aren’t really a shithole though.
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Lashed a bit of cash on him to go as I was sure he’d be looking for a chance to prove himself after this season, apparently not.
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Oxford are a well run club with a decent budget for that level, by all accounts. Would’ve been a great opportunity. I’m sure how much more he can learn managing kids who are eager to impress him. He needs to manage a dressing room of senior professionals and all the dynamics that are involved.
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Oxford are a well run club with a decent budget for that level, by all accounts. Would’ve been a great opportunity. I’m sure how much more he can learn managing kids who are eager to impress him. He needs to manage a dressing room of senior professionals and all the dynamics that are involved.
Very disappointed.
Although I did see a rumour on oxford twitter that said ledson can’t stand him, and handed a transfer request in when he heard Unsworth was wanted, so maybe their board have flapped it at that.
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Very disappointed.
Although I did see a rumour on oxford twitter that said ledson can’t stand him, and handed a transfer request in when he heard Unsworth was wanted, so maybe their board have flapped it at that.
I'd read the idea was that it might keep Ledson at Oxford, as he had or was going to hand in a transfer request. :snigger:
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On a good note our U18's stuffed Stevie me's Liverpool today 3-1 at Finch Farm. That puts us second in the league and as an added bonus that was Gerrards fourth defeat on the bounce ;D
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On a good note our U18's stuffed Stevie me's Liverpool today 3-1 at Finch Farm. That puts us second in the league and as an added bonus that was Gerrards fourth defeat on the bounce ;D
Now one point behind Man U with a game in hand... and play Utd next.
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Nice goal by Tom Scully !
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/962303381380485120
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Robles in goal there.
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Nice goal by Tom Scully !
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/962303381380485120
Great commentary from down a tunnel, that
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Love Kenny's gnashers 😁
He's such a lad 👌🏼
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Nice goal by Tom Scully !
U18's player Tom Scully is the son of my work-mate and they are a great Evertonian family. They were absolutely buzzing that he scored and against the Reds who released him two years ago ! :snigger:
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U18's player Tom Scully is the son of my work-mate and they are a great Evertonian family. They were absolutely buzzing that he scored and against the Reds who released him two years ago ! :snigger:
He's highly rated on my version of fm
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He's highly rated on my version of fm
Hopefully rightly so, especially as its coming up to the time of the decision whether he gets a pro-contract. Headlines like today wont do him any harm !
(https://i.imgur.com/vxVCv9X.jpg?1)
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Funes-Mori and Holgate both staring against Barnsley this afternoon
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Funes-Mori and Holgate both staring against Barnsley this afternoon
Has Holgate been injured or is he dropped to the u23's?
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Has Holgate been injured or is he dropped to the u23's?
Probably the latter, he hasn't featured much since the Derby game has he
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Probably the latter, he hasn't featured much since the Derby game has he
he got dropped after WBA, cos Sam thinks Rondon bossed him.
Holgate made some vital tackles and interceptions in that match, a lesser everton centre back would have been made to pay by Rondon.
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he got dropped after WBA, cos Sam thinks Rondon bossed him.
Holgate made some vital tackles and interceptions in that match, a lesser everton centre back would have been made to pay by Rondon.
Well Rondon is twice the size of him so not surprising a young defender had a tough time against an experienced grock of a striker. He did miss a couple of sitters like but it's no reason to send the lad to play with the kids.
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Funes-Mori and Holgate both staring against Barnsley this afternoon
Is this being shown anywhere mate, last one was on FB wasn't it?
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I don't understand Allardyce's treatment of Holgate. It's an admittedly small sample size but he was our best defender during his run at CB and did nothing to warrant being dropped.
It's irresponsible, both short-term and long-term, to give minutes to Williams instead of Holgate.
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I bet on Everton...and we're winning. This is mighty strange. :D
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I don't understand Allardyce's treatment of Holgate. It's an admittedly small sample size but he was our best defender during his run at CB and did nothing to warrant being dropped.
It's irresponsible, both short-term and long-term, to give minutes to Williams instead of Holgate.
He has to make sure that we are "mathmatically safe".......
Glad to hear rooney and Pickford come out in recent days and say they're aiming for 7th though.
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Clean sheet, Funes Mori and Holgate! Won me $275, as well.
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So now we are slagging off Big Fat Sam for freezing out poor little Holgate?
He has played 2 games in the prem under Koeman (both as RB), 2 under Unsworth and 7 under Allardyce.
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So now we are slagging off Big Fat Sam for freezing out poor little Holgate?
He has played 2 games in the prem under Koeman (both as RB), 2 under Unsworth and 7 under Allardyce.
They'll find fault with anything and everything. He's not been very good, granted none of our centre halves have but our manager is allowed to rate whoever he rates. It's not like holgate has done much to justify a place in the team
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So now we are slagging off Big Fat Sam for freezing out poor little Holgate?
He has played 2 games in the prem under Koeman (both as RB), 2 under Unsworth and 7 under Allardyce.
Yeah we are because he should at least be ahead of Ashley Williams in the pecking order.
He performed very well, yet hes now nowhere to be seen. Personally think it's a poor way to treat somebody who was performing to a good level.
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They'll find fault with anything and everything.
hahhahahhhahahahaaha pot, kettle from the strangest moaner on the forum.
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what score did we win,
see the u18 won the derby against gerrards RS 3-1
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what score did we win,
see the u18 won the derby against gerrards RS 3-1
1-nil.
And yes, I believe that Holgate has been the best of a sorry lot at CB, in addition to our youngest. That combo means he should be starting at least almost every week, getting used to playing his natural position at the Prem level.
Preferably not next to Ashley Williams.
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So now we are slagging off Big Fat Sam for freezing out poor little Holgate?
He has played 2 games in the prem under Koeman (both as RB), 2 under Unsworth and 7 under Allardyce.
Not slagging Sam off at all, Holgate is a far better player than Ashley Williams though
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1-nil.
And yes, I believe that Holgate has been the best of a sorry lot at CB, in addition to our youngest. That combo means he should be starting at least almost every week, getting used to playing his natural position at the Prem level.
Preferably not next to Ashley Williams.
well you would think that, seeing as Sam Allardyce is saying this season is over and build towards next season, if he actually wants to do that, the youngsters need to fucking play. not players who the fans dont want to see, or who wont be playing week in week out next season. ( the Morgan Schneiderlins and Ashley Williams of this world)
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So now we are slagging off Big Fat Sam for freezing out poor little Holgate?
He has played 2 games in the prem under Koeman (both as RB), 2 under Unsworth and 7 under Allardyce.
But that is the point. Why drop a kid who has been your best Cb so far. Why destroy what should be our futures confidence all because your training analytics show that Williams headed the ball further than Holgate from a corner. Bunch of crap
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well you would think that, seeing as Sam Allardyce is saying this season is over and build towards next season, if he actually wants to do that, the youngsters need to fucking play. not players who the fans dont want to see, or who wont be playing week in week out next season. ( the Morgan Schneiderlins and Ashley Williams of this world)
His whole approach seems very much geared towards making sure he gets his pay off in the summer by keeping us up. Zero risks and a £6m pension top up. Despite what he says his approach doesn't seem to be in accordance with him planning for the future, with his obsession with telling us we need to get to 40 points.
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Clean sheet, Funes Mori and Holgate! Won me $275, as well.
You bet proper money on an Everton reserve game? Are you actually mad?
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Good to get Funes Mori back. Whether he’s good enough is subject to debate but he’s a £20m defender in this market.
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You bet proper money on an Everton reserve game? Are you actually mad?
For one, OF COURSE I am and I'm surprised you even have to ask.
For two, I clicked on the match in my Sportsbook, and they were paying out 2.75 to 1 odds (when the score was 0-0 in 35th minute), which seemed absurdly favourable to me. So I put down a hundred on us, what the fuck.
Is Barnsley's U23 side some kind of behemoth?
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Good to get Funes Mori back. Whether he’s good enough is subject to debate but he’s a £20m defender in this market.
I will give Allardyce a tip of my cap if he's actually being strategic and plans to play Holgate and Funes Mori together the last 6-8 weeks of the season.
Would bet heavily against that, though.
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We really do have the biggest selection of average CBs going.
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We really do have the biggest selection of average CBs going.
optimist!
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For one, OF COURSE I am and I'm surprised you even have to ask.
For two, I clicked on the match in my Sportsbook, and they were paying out 2.75 to 1 odds (when the score was 0-0 in 35th minute), which seemed absurdly favourable to me. So I put down a hundred on us, what the fuck.
Is Barnsley's U23 side some kind of behemoth?
No idea if they are or aren't, but the fact you didnt either and risked $100 on it shows how crazy it was!
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No idea if they are or aren't, but the fact you didnt either and risked $100 on it shows how crazy it was!
I am mad as a hatter, and 2.75 to 1 on the backs of FuMo and Mason, my inner maniac won out.
Been on a bit of a gambling rush from Saturday's college basketball anyway, so ride the wave and whatnot.
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Dowell panned again
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I don't understand Allardyce's treatment of Holgate. It's an admittedly small sample size but he was our best defender during his run at CB and did nothing to warrant being dropped.
It's irresponsible, both short-term and long-term, to give minutes to Williams instead of Holgate.
I don’t think it’s about form.
I think it’s the fall-out and subsequent odd radio silence from the MSM regarding the Firmino incedent.
Either the club don’t believe Holgate, or Holgate is pissed off at the club for not rallying behind him, or the club have bowed to pressure to ‘rest’ Holgate whilst it all dies down.
It can’t be because Rondon nearly scored a couple.
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Dowell panned again
The second half of this season was always going to tell us where he was in his development. Tough for a kid to keep up decent form for a full season in their first year.
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The second half of this season was always going to tell us where he was in his development. Tough for a kid to keep up decent form for a full season in their first year.
Yeah, dips happen at that age (any age I suppose). He’d get fucking mullered if he was playing for us and disappeared though. Too much burscough not enough, er, bootle?
Re holgate : wonder how he feels the clubs has treated him. Hope the club have stood by him and all that but a bit worried tbh. I like the look of him as a player.
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Everton U18's at Man Utd at 11am in top of the table game.
Live on MUTV (loads of streams & Mobdro).
COYBB !
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Three one down at the minute
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On Dowell, it won’t help that he’s playing I’m a dreadful team
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On Dowell, it won’t help that he’s playing I’m a dreadful team
wtf happened to forest, 4 months ago they was on fire.
@Toddacelli (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432)
whats the inside scoop?
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wtf happened to forest, 4 months ago they was on fire.
@Toddacelli (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432)
whats the inside scoop?
Nah
They either won or lost
Went on a bad run, sacked the manager and now a struggling
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Nah
They either won or lost
Went on a bad run, sacked the manager and now a struggling
Exactly as @Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) says:
They didn't draw many and it was a bit 50/50 for a while but in their last 14 before their win this weekend it's W2 D4 L8. Their wins will keep them out of the relegation zone but it looks like their losses will keep them out of the top half of the table by the end of the season.
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i just recall them in the first few months doing pretty well... shame it dropped off ;/ and the change of manager.. i didnt expect that.
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Davy Klaassen getting a run-out in tonights game against Swansea.
Hope he has a good game and is given a chance in the first team soon.
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Davy Klaassen getting a run-out in tonights game against Swansea.
Hope he has a good game and is given a chance in the first team soon.
thank you for this.. going to try and find some streams. is it on everton fc?/youtube/twitter/facebook?
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Davy Klaassen getting a run-out in tonights game against Swansea.
Hope he has a good game and is given a chance in the first team soon.
Poor sod wouldnt be able to show anything playing with that load of frauds.
Better for him if he just gets fit and finds a better team in the summer.
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thank you for this.. going to try and find some streams. is it on everton fc?/youtube/twitter/facebook?
Found this mate, hope it works.
https://www.swanseacity.com/news/live-tonight-everton-u23s-v-swans-u23s
Kick off is 7pm
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Found this mate, hope it works.
https://www.swanseacity.com/news/live-tonight-everton-u23s-v-swans-u23s
Kick off is 7pm
#Thankyou!
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https://www.swanseacity.com/live-stream
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tah Audrey.
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what a goal
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what a goal
And nice to see Klaassen celebrate with the kids
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EFC official members stream not working . Watching on Swansea site.
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And nice to see Klaassen celebrate with the kids
Definitely. Really want him in the team. There is a class player in there.
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why is the sound so shit on the stream?
whats going on with that Camera Angle.. who scored the goal? i didnt realize i missed the goal...
im sure it was 0-0 :S i only went to the loo and back!
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Good to also Funes More getting another game and on his birthday as well.
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Could do with a klaassen masterclass to begin the comeback couldn’t we really.
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why is the sound so shit on the stream?
whats going on with that Camera Angle.. who scored the goal? i didnt realize i missed the goal...
im sure it was 0-0 :S i only went to the loo and back!
Anthony Evans scored the goal.
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our number 5 was lucky not to get sent off..
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our number 5 was lucky not to get sent off..
Looking at him - he reminded me a bit of Eddie Youds with his build.
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cant find a team sheet.. lol
the number 5 is Morgan Feeney?
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cant find a team sheet.. lol
the number 5 is Morgan Feeney?
Everton U23s: Mateusz Hewelt, Nathangelo Markelo, Lewis Gibson, Beni Baningime, Con Ouzounidis, Ramiro Funes Mori, Antony Evans (Capt), Davy Klaassen, Fraser Hornby, Bassala Sambou, Josh Bowler.
Subs: Joe Hilton, David Henen, Shayne Lavery, Conor Grant, Alex Denny.
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Will be interesting to see Henen, if he gets on.
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tah bud, thank you.
i guess its Lewis Gibson :D
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Good defending by Markelo there.
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cant find a team sheet.. lol
the number 5 is Morgan Feeney?
Nah he’s injured, it’s a fella with a Greek sounding name I think
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https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/970758737785999360?
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Con Ouzounidis, with the second for the Blues
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Henen coming on now.
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How did Davy play?
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How did Davy play?
Only saw the first half, but he was fairly tidy and fairly anonymous in equal measures.
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How did Davy play?
Thought he did ok, some nice touches and a couple of good interceptions.
The player who has impressed me is the right back Markelo.
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Looking at him - he reminded me a bit of Eddie Youds with his build.
That's a blast from the past
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How did Beni play?
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That's a blast from the past
I am always amazed by how much useless information I have stored in my head.
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How did Beni play?
He was probably, the second best player for us for me. He tackled well and what I like about him, is that he has his head up when he has the ball and is always looking for a pass.
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Will be interesting to see Henen, if he gets on.
Any particular reason for that?
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Any particular reason for that?
Basically, because I had never seen him play. As it turned out, he was only on for the end of the game and did not do much at all.
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Basically, because I had never seen him play. As it turned out, he was only on for the end of the game and did not do much at all.
when i've seen Henen earlier in the season,. he was pretty good, almost vital to the under 23 team... i think he was included in a Europa league squad due to his excellent for pre christmas.
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when i've seen Henen earlier in the season,. he was pretty good, almost vital to the under 23 team... i think he was included in a Europa league squad due to his excellent for pre christmas.
Cheers @SANA_DR0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6573) this was my first full U23 game and I was pleased to see the game and hopefully, players that will be our future. Have a heard a lot about Henen, but never seen him play.
As I posted earlier, I was impressed with Markelo and Beni and thought Davy and Funes played well.
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Cheers @SANA_DR0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6573) this was my first full U23 game and I was pleased to see the game and hopefully, players that will be our future. Have a heard a lot about Henen, but never seen him play.
As I posted earlier, I was impressed with Markelo and Beni and thought Davy and Funes played well.
I watched more under 23 at the start of the season... i watched the first half last night and a bit of the second.. but im drained from everton. the only thing that excites me now is the toxic home atmosphere.
and Niasse's smile.
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ITK info re Under-18's:
Today, just 4 of the current U18 squad were given a Pro contract with Everton.
Dont know who they are yet, but there will be very many disappointed lads being released.
It's a tough world.
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ITK info re Under-18's:
Today, just 4 of the current U18 squad were given a Pro contract with Everton.
Dont know who they are yet, but there will be very many disappointed lads being released.
It's a tough world.
Is that retention rate normal? It seems low but I can’t tell without context
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Is that retention rate normal? It seems low but I can’t tell without context
It is low but I think fairly normal as there is only one team to go into (U-23's) and already 4 year-groups of players ahead of them already there. Plus any others that have been bought in...
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U-18s my guesses
Mampala
Duke-McKenna
Baxter
Ouzounidis
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How old is hornby
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How old is hornby
Shit there’s note pages here.. Alex Denny, Anthony Gordon and hornby are all 18s as well...
Doesn’t make sense this, these are supposed to be a good generation and are near the top of their league?
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Not exactly on topic based on the previous few posts but I saw this a few weeks ago. It's not great, at least from my point-of view.
https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised (https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised)
Some choice quotes:
“The sanitisation of Academy football – everything played on a lovely pitch, on the grass – (has changed), so that when they go to League Two on loan and don’t see the ball for 10 minutes and say, ‘What’s going on here?’ they are ready because that’s English football at the lower levels so we have to prepare them for that."
“But we’ve also got players upfront who have got to learn to win headers, who have got to learn to win flick-ons, like in the real world, so if we play out from the back all the time these centre-forwards aren’t getting that work."
It seems regressive to develop players so they'll be comfortable in League Two if they go on loan. And to think of flick-ons as the "real world." It's only a reality for crap teams in England. Nobody who's actually good plays that route one garbage.
I know he mentions playing out from the back and going direct but really, there's no point bothering with the latter. Our academy players are never going to reach the level we need them at if half of their development time is spent learning crap football.
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We’re clearly developing a team that could stand on its own two feet in prem.
In 1992
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Not exactly on topic based on the previous few posts but I saw this a few weeks ago. It's not great, at least from my point-of view.
https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised (https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised)
Some choice quotes:
It seems regressive to develop players so they'll be comfortable in League Two if they go on loan. And to think of flick-ons as the "real world." It's only a reality for crap teams in England. Nobody who's actually good plays that route one garbage.
I know he mentions playing out from the back and going direct but really, there's no point bothering with the latter. Our academy players are never going to reach the level we need them at if half of their development time is spent learning crap football.
Catch-22 though, isnt it. English football is fucked for developing highest quality youth players, and the national team will always suffer for it.
Barring the wunderkids who are physically/technically able to go straight into the first team at 18, most will never develop to a higher level if no one will take them on loan because they're no good at playing lower league style football. And they'll never develop just staying in an academy not playing real football.
The only hope you've really got is loaning them out abroad, but without an official link to another club then it'll be hard as theyve got their own players to develop as maybe players from better teams from that country already more suited to the style?
So other than 'B' teams in the lower divisions or parent clubs who take groups of kids en masse then its not going to work, and that won't happen because it'd mean losing more established teams from the league or small clubs losing their 'identities'(Which is an absolutely understandable issue for their fans to have).
Like I said, fucked.
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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-defender-tyias-browning-miss-14385296
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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-defender-tyias-browning-miss-14385296
I read as far as Darron Gibson being injured (again) then couldn't be bothered with the Echo's adverts slowing my computer down to a stop.
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I read as far as Darron Gibson being injured (again) then couldn't be bothered with the Echo's adverts slowing my computer down to a stop.
Browning out injured. Again.
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I know he mentions playing out from the back and going direct but really, there's no point bothering with the latter. Our academy players are never going to reach the level we need them at if half of their development time is spent learning crap football.
We need to get players ready for first team football.
If we're going to appoint managers like Koeman and Allardyce, then frankly this is an excellent approach...
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We need to get players ready for first team football.
If we're going to appoint managers like Koeman and Allardyce, then frankly this is an excellent approach...
Hope we will stop appointing managers like Ronald and Sam
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If you watch the U-18's they play some excellent football. The skill, intensity and speed of the games is quite amazing.
Many more of these lads could make it at Everton but for the fact that we, like the rest of the PL, need instant results and are buying in the finished article from all over the world.
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Scroll down and you will get live footage of the game against Sunderland U23
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-news-transfer-rumours-live-14395519
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Good news... the first of those Scholars who didnt get offered a contract by Everton has been offered one by a Championship club.
More info when if/when he accepts...
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If you watch the U-18's they play some excellent football. The skill, intensity and speed of the games is quite amazing.
Many more of these lads could make it at Everton but for the fact that we, like the rest of the PL, need instant results and are buying in the finished article from all over the world.
If we are buying the finished article how come they need a season to acclimatise prove unsuited to the league ? At least you know most of your U23 side are suited to the league but unless you play them you won't know . Holgate , Davies and Kenny are well capable of covering and in time being first choice .
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If we are buying the finished article how come they need a season to acclimatise prove unsuited to the league ? At least you know most of your U23 side are suited to the league but unless you play them you won't know . Holgate , Davies and Kenny are well capable of covering and in time being first choice .
It has only been Davies that had cemented a place in the team. Others are just covering as you say and as soon as the injured player is fit they are out again.
The other issue, as ever, is experience. Young players can be good enough physically and technically but they dont have the games of an older player. This is what limits a lot of their chances. The fact that Everton have been struggling as a team anyway makes their involvement even less likely.
To be fair we do give more chances than most but the queue of players ahead of the kids is always going to be an issue.
The lad I know isnt so bothered about leaving Everton as he wants and needs games. His chances here would be very limited.
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What position roughly does he play @Everton Mint (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3381)
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What position roughly does he play @Everton Mint (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3381)
Reverse cowgirl
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What position roughly does he play @Everton Mint (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3381)
Centre-mid.
He's back at Everton for now after scoring in his trial game.
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100 Ameri-quid on the baby Blues at +275 looking real solid!
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Lost 3-4 to city.
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The DCL chance fairly typical of what I’ve been saying about him for a while.
Did brilliantly when he came on, but when he gets a chance to finish the game he tries to finesse it into the side netting when really he should just make sure and bury it.
I don’t think he’s a bad finisher - I think he’s affected heavily by overthinking his decisions in game. Not instinctual, every finish looks training ground to me, rather than a hungry reflex.
Hopefully will improve with guidance but will be a real sign of lack of progress if our options up top next year are as weak as they have been this year.
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DCL should be early cup rounds starter and last twenty mins only till he improves .
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There's only so much young players can improve without playing.
This is why, despite uncertainty about how good they can actually be, I'd have had Holgate, Davies, and Calvert-Lewin playing as many minutes as possible in the second half of this season. Those three rarely look out of place when called into action against senior pros. I think you need to invest minutes in young players like that, especially when you're not competing for anything. That's a big part of how you find the Kanes, Allis, and Rashfords of the world.
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There's only so much young players can improve without playing.
This is why, despite uncertainty about how good they can actually be, I'd have had Holgate, Davies, and Calvert-Lewin playing as many minutes as possible in the second half of this season. Those three rarely look out of place when called into action against senior pros. I think you need to invest minutes in young players like that, especially when you're not competing for anything. That's a big part of how you find the Kanes, Allis, and Rashfords of the world.
They have to be able to hit the target from 6 yards out and not miss by about 10 with the goal at their mercy. He literally can’t score no matter how easy the chance.
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There's only so much young players can improve without playing.
This is why, despite uncertainty about how good they can actually be, I'd have had Holgate, Davies, and Calvert-Lewin playing as many minutes as possible in the second half of this season. Those three rarely look out of place when called into action against senior pros. I think you need to invest minutes in young players like that, especially when you're not competing for anything. That's a big part of how you find the Kanes, Allis, and Rashfords of the world.
I agree. Nothing to be gained by wasting minutes on finished players.
Do not agree with @Confucius (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) - he’s scored this year so that’s not literally true is it. It’s definitely a gap in his game but it’s nothing to write him off over just yet.
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I agree. Nothing to be gained by wasting minutes on finished players.
Do not agree with @Confucius (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) - he’s scored this year so that’s not literally true is it. It’s definitely a gap in his game but it’s nothing to write him off over just yet.
People seem desperate to write him off.
Even when he only just broke into the team people were saying he offers nothing.
He's improved massively over the last 12 months and I expect that to continue.
He missed a sitter, yes, but no need to be writing him off.
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I see more potential in him than Davies right now but it's ridiculous to be talking about either not making it here at this stage.
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4 goals and 6 assists in 31 league matches (18 starts) when he's only just turned 21 is alright.
Especially considering this has been an ultra negative campaign in terms of performances, style and results.
Kane only made 10 league appearances by the time he was 21 and scored 3 goals with 0 assists.
Does that mean DCL will be better than Kane? Obviously not. It does show he's actually progressing quite well though.
Edit: He's also got incredible abs.
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Very sexy and must be absolutely drowning in pussy.
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4 goals and 6 assists in 31 league matches (18 starts) when he's only just turned 21 is alright.
Especially considering this has been an ultra negative campaign in terms of performances, style and results.
Kane only made 10 league appearances by the time he was 21 and scored 3 goals with 0 assists.
Does that mean DCL will be better than Kane? Obviously not. It does show he's actually progressing quite well though.
Edit: He's also got incredible abs.
I've got incredible IBS but you don't see anyone banging on about it.
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Remember that DCL started the season at right back too. He's been shunted all over the field all season by 3 different managers.
Give him a chance.
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DCL should be early cup rounds starter and last twenty mins only till he improves .
I agree - he's done well this season at times, give the circumstances, and I thought he did ok when he came on yesterday, but it's a damning indictment of our player recruitment that he's had to play as many games as he has given his inexperience.
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I think with DCL's finishing, its a common trait for most young forwards. When they know they have minutes and support, they are less likely to panic or snatch at chances.
A better manager would have worked with him individually and improved him far more. Younger coaches are far more likely to customise development.
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All good points. He just fails to even get close with most of his shooting. Even Cenk’s 1st goal of the brace he scored was because DCL missed an absolute sitter. You can’t teach a striker to score. It’s natural and instinctive. He just doesn’t have it. Will be very good at everything else besides his most important job.
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4 goals and 6 assists in 31 league matches (18 starts) when he's only just turned 21 is alright.
Especially considering this has been an ultra negative campaign in terms of performances, style and results.
Kane only made 10 league appearances by the time he was 21 and scored 3 goals with 0 assists.
Does that mean DCL will be better than Kane? Obviously not. It does show he's actually progressing quite well though.
Edit: He's also got incredible abs.
While I am a bit of a stat head myself, in this case, I think the stats are actually misleading -- making it seem as though DCL has performed better than he actually has. I am not as confident as others that he will be progressing.
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Stream of the game
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While I am a bit of a stat head myself, in this case, I think the stats are actually misleading -- making it seem as though DCL has performed better than he actually has. I am not as confident as others that he will be progressing.
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
He’s had a solid season in what has been an absolute mess of a season in years.
Personally think he’ll become a really good player under an ambitious manager.
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Lies, damned lies and statistics.
He's had a solid season in what has been an absolute mess of a season in years.
Personally think he'll become a really good player under an ambitious manager.
I'm starting to think his versatility will be his down fall
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How’s Lookman doing at RBL? He getting much game time?
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I'm starting to think his versatility will be his down fall
Shades of Anichebe
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All good points. He just fails to even get close with most of his shooting. Even Cenks 1st goal of the brace he scored was because DCL missed an absolute sitter. You cant teach a striker to score. Its natural and instinctive. He just doesnt have it. Will be very good at everything else besides his most important job.
I think that's the key though isn't it. He's not a striker really, he's more of a forward player who sometimes gets in and around the box and will bag a goal every now and then.
He's just not the player Kane is as when he was coming through he got dogs abuse from shooting miserably from anywhere and got shunted down the leagues to hopefully refine it, which he did. DCL has good technique, athletic physique, a willing runner but you won't find him in and around the area looking like he's desperate to get on the scoresheet. Maybe it'll come with time and experience.
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I think that's the key though isn't it. He's not a striker really, he's more of a forward player who sometimes gets in and around the box and will bag a goal every now and then.
He's just not the player Kane is as when he was coming through he got dogs abuse from shooting miserably from anywhere and got shunted down the leagues to hopefully refine it, which he did. DCL has good technique, athletic physique, a willing runner but you won't find him in and around the area looking like he's desperate to get on the scoresheet. Maybe it'll come with time and experience.
What’s the point then? A forward player who plays like a defensive midfielder but can’t play midfielder.
He needs to add goals to his game. Otherwise he won’t make it as a premier league player.
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Shades of Anichebe
Without being made of paper mache
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How’s Lookman doing at RBL? He getting much game time?
On the bench tonight.
Think after the first few games that’s what he’s been limited to, although that’s more than he might have got here...
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Was absolutely the wrong move for lookman you go on loan to get minutes. Been a wasted opportunity for him.
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Was absolutely the wrong move for lookman you go on loan to get minutes. Been a wasted opportunity for him.
Only himself to blame. Silly sod.
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Only himself to blame. Silly sod.
There’s ambition then there’s delusion. He should have gone and dominated the championship rather than not played for a quality side.
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They should have given him a go tonight. What they tried...ain't work at all.
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Good on him for wanting to test himself in a foreign league at his age.
Not much he could've learnt in the championship that he doesn't already know.
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Good on him for wanting to test himself in a foreign league at his age.
Not much he could've learnt in the championship that he doesn't already know.
They go on loan to get minutes. He needed to pick a side he'd have a bigger role for. It was pretty much tied on that wouldn't happen with this move.
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He’s got more league minutes for RB Leipzig this season than he has for us.
He’s been involved in 6 of the 8 league games they’ve had since he got there.
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He’s got more league minutes for RB Leipzig this season than he has for us.
He’s been involved in 6 of the 8 league games they’ve had since he got there.
Granted but I'd rather have seen him playing a vital role at a championship club rather than stay here or be in Germany
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Granted but I'd rather have seen him playing a vital role at a championship club rather than stay here or be in Germany
He’s getting “minutes” like you say you wanted him to get but at a much higher standard than the one you believe he should be playing at while surrounded by better players and learning from better coaches.
You’re making out like he’s sat on his arse eating a bratwurst every game.
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Shani tarasaj played today.
What's gone on with him?
We also lost 4-0 to West Ham.
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Good on him for wanting to test himself in a foreign league at his age.
Not much he could've learnt in the championship that he doesn't already know.
He's never played in the championship. He's hardly played in the Premier League. All his experience has been at a lower level, he needs to start racking up some minutes somewhere soon if he's going to have a crack at a decent career.
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Lies, damned lies and statistics.
He’s had a solid season in what has been an absolute mess of a season in years.
Personally think he’ll become a really good player under an ambitious manager.
Tall, fast, good technique.
I think he’ll be absolutely fine, with a slim chance of being very good.
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He's never played in the championship. He's hardly played in the Premier League. All his experience has been at a lower level, he needs to start racking up some minutes somewhere soon if he's going to have a crack at a decent career.
He did play almost a full season in the Championship in 2015-16. If he was at Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool, he'd been involved in the first team nearly every week. He'll have a great career. Whether that's here or somewhere else is another matter.
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Interesting
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-u23s-player-ratings-vs-14558289
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at least the shite can no longer win the title, Arsenal won it laaast night
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https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2018/may/30052018-richie-wellens-on-jose-baxter-agreeing-terms/
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https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2018/may/30052018-richie-wellens-on-jose-baxter-agreeing-terms/
Good for him. Hopefully hes ready to make a real go of his career now
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1017032771766751232
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Also lavery and Hornby both signed new deals
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1017032771766751232
Doctor, Burger flipper, farmer and now EFC pro well done @Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196)
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Doctor, Burger flipper, farmer and now EFC pro well done @Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196)
Don’t forget bullshitter
Does look like a cousin of mine.
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Beni meant to be off to Wigan on loan as well now
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Beni meant to be off to Wigan on loan as well now
Probably do him good to be playing every week ,gutted if he doesn't make it here
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Probably do him good to be playing every week ,gutted if he doesn't make it here
Defo mate
Good to have a link with a local club as well
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Yeah, Beni looks an actual proper footballer - works hard to try and read the game and make the right pass. I think a good run of games for someone will do him (and us) well. I think with a bit more sharpness and tenacity, he could become a very good midfielder. Nothing sexy, or out of this world but a steady Matic type. Good luck to the lad.
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Will be really interested to see Beni playing 1-2000 minutes somewhere.
He looks a good player but not that much on the ball showed so far. Will be interesting to see how he gets on!
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Liked how he at least tried to be progressive against Chelsea last season. Dropped the shoulder a few times and moved forwards with the ball instead of taking the safe option which you would have expected from such a young lad in a big game.
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What is the status of Onyekuru’S work permit ?
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Apparently he hasn't been smiling enough in training with the other Galatasaray boys, so we're going to have to sit it out until January at least.
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Playing away at Bradford tonight in the EFL Trophy. Wonder if the likes of Lookman will get some minutes
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the Bradford City game is supposed to be streamed live to STH's etc. The link doesn't work .Usual Everton cock up
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1 nil up Sambou
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Evans sent off
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1-1 they equalised in injury time so goes to penalties
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Lost 6-5 on pens
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1 nil up Sambou
Evans sent off
1-1 they equalised in injury time so goes to penalties
Lost 6-5 on pens
Everton that
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Not exactly on topic based on the previous few posts but I saw this a few weeks ago. It's not great, at least from my point-of view.
https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised (https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/everton-youth-teams-now-more-direct,-less-sanitised)
Some choice quotes:
It seems regressive to develop players so they'll be comfortable in League Two if they go on loan. And to think of flick-ons as the "real world." It's only a reality for crap teams in England. Nobody who's actually good plays that route one garbage.
I know he mentions playing out from the back and going direct but really, there's no point bothering with the latter. Our academy players are never going to reach the level we need them at if half of their development time is spent learning crap football.
Fuck me that's grim reading. CB's - "They've got to head it, block it, kick it - then if they can play, great."
Well... as long as they can "kick it" FFS!
I don't agree with this at all. Coach good football and with it good decision-making. A good footballer will know when to do something basic and when he can and should play it. Someone who has only ever been told "When in doubt, kick it out" will be looking for row Z every time which is just giving the opposition the ball back.
If you have a player who is coached to be good in the air and direct a header, then they can find space with a flick-on as easily as they can find the net. They don't need to be coached flick-on's for flick-on's sake. If they've been coached good decision-making, when the time comes for one they will be fine.
This is so anti-football. To be putting this into kids so young is very, very disappointing and I'm not surprised so few U18's have been kept on. The question is - have we let them down by doing this? Have we missed out on a potentially decent player? Have we potentially fucked up someone's career?
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Love this kind of thing. Photo with the first team then lunch and training with U23's.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-arrange-heart-warming-day-15211266
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Love this kind of thing. Photo with the first team then lunch and training with U23's.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-arrange-heart-warming-day-15211266
Love our club, for stuff like this we excel .
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winning 2-0
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Both Brooks and Maddison who we were linked with started really well.
Apparently josh bowler is looking like he’s kicked on a bit this year - hope he can one day step up, we don’t produce a great deal of attacking players.
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There's only one Morgan...............Feeney
And should be full steam ahead for Hornby
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Preston after Hornby and Norwich after Evans according to the rags
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Should help keep Hornby on track
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Hornby is out for a couple of months following ankle surgery, so will he be fit to be considered to go out on loan in January?
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A model pro, so probably yes
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Holgate, Baningime, McCarthy and Dowell played in 1-0 win against City today
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pretty much enjoyed the man city match.
Dowell looks to have stagnated tho ;/
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Under 18's doing well as well
Ellis Simms looks a bit of a beast like!
https://twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/1057286802933989376
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Under 23s are playing away at Oldham tonight in the EFL trophy
Then on Friday night playing at Crawley's ground against Brighton. Just down the road from me so will probably pop along
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Under 23s are playing away at Oldham tonight in the EFL trophy
Then on Friday night playing at Crawley's ground against Brighton. Just down the road from me so will probably pop along
Are you sure it isn’t the under 21’s
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Are you sure it isnt the under 21s
Same thing
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Who was the keeper last night?
He looked awful.
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Who was the keeper last night?
He looked awful.
Hewelt
Everton U21
Hewelt, Browning, Charsley, Adediran, Sambou, Feeney ©, Broadhead, Markelo (Simms 75’), Gordon (Kiersey 58’), Lavery (Bowler 58’), John
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Hewelt
Everton U21
Hewelt, Browning, Charsley, Adediran, Sambou, Feeney ©, Broadhead, Markelo (Simms 75’), Gordon (Kiersey 58’), Lavery (Bowler 58’), John
Wonde if any of these will make it?
Apparently Sambou’s deal is up this year?
Bowler was signed for real money but feels miles off first team.
Same for Markelo and Adeniran, but I have some hopes for both.
Gordon / Lavery / Charsley / Feeney - all been with us years but not too close to first team either.
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Lost the u18 Derby 4-3. After coming back from 3-1 down to 3-3. Shite scored in the last minute
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Lost the u18 Derby 4-3. After coming back from 3-1 down to 3-3. Shite scored in the last minute
Standard
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Lost the u18 Derby 4-3. After coming back from 3-1 down to 3-3. Shite scored in the last minute
Destined for the first team them boys.
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Beat Brighton 2-1 to stay top
Ryan Rollin' Astley, just turned 17, securing his place at centre back and already in line for full Wales call up - whenever they need somebody....................
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Beat Brighton 2-1 to stay top
Ryan Rollin' Astley, just turned 17, securing his place at centre back and already in line for full Wales call up - whenever they need somebody....................
He’s already better than Williams, surely
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'Rum roll..................Captain Morgan Feeney is
Netted the winner last night
Can't be far off fourth choice centre back, ahead of Jags and Holgate
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'Rum roll..................Captain Morgan Feeney is
Netted the winner last night
Can't be far off fourth choice centre back, ahead of Jags and Holgate
He is behind both of them
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Feeney is miles off.
Even for the under 23s he doesn’t stand out.
Will never make it here.
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Gibson, Foulds, Astley
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Gibson, Foulds, Astley
Sessions
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Winnersh
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U18
https://twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/1061297662903902209
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Ellis Simms knows where the old onion bag is doesn’t he
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I will not have her tunnel banded around this office. Willy. Nilly.
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Simms needs moving up a level clearly
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Simms needs moving up a level clearly
Twitter said no last week. Sorry.
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Twitter said no last week. Sorry.
He said up a level.
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I see Dortmund and Bayern are after young Anthony Gordon.
Superb youth record and apparently a big talent. Looked good the other week. Let’s keep him!
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I see Dortmund and Bayern are after young Anthony Gordon.
Superb youth record and apparently a big talent. Looked good the other week. Let’s keep him!
He wants Unsworth gone.
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He wants Unsworth gone.
Who, Gordon?
Not the first like.
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Min-derby today at 2pm.
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losing 0-1
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Why is Browning still around?
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lost 1-0 ffs can we ever win a game in any format- u18 last month now these fuckers - still top though
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Who, Gordon?
Not the first like.
What's the issue they have with him? Anyone know?
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What's the issue they have with him? Anyone know?
Not sure. I know green hates him. I’m sure Barkley had a falling out with him.
I heard that when Brewster was with us someone came in to loan him and Unsworth said no, because he wanted him for the U23 league push.
Brewster ended up leaving Everton without a deal.
Personally I think he seems like a lovely man and is Everton through and through. But I’ve no doubt his name is down in marcels book.
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Not sure. I know green hates him. I’m sure Barkley had a falling out with him.
I heard that when Brewster was with us someone came in to loan him and Unsworth said no, because he wanted him for the U23 league push.
Brewster ended up leaving Everton without a deal.
Personally I think he seems like a lovely man and is Everton through and through. But I’ve no doubt his name is down in marcels book.
Didn’t Ledson talk the Oxford gang out of seriously considering him for the job?
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Kenny back playing for U23's
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Are there any genuine prospects in the U-23's now that look as if they're 12-18 months away from pushing on or did we clear them out recently when we took Davies, Lookman, DCL and Kenny? I won't include Dowell or Holgate in that as they're past U-23 level but not good enough for our first team and will both probably move on.
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Are there any genuine prospects in the U-23's now that look as if they're 12-18 months away from pushing on or did we clear them out recently when we took Davies, Lookman, DCL and Kenny? I won't include Dowell or Holgate in that as they're past U-23 level but not good enough for our first team and will both probably move on.
Think Holgate still has a chance
The lad Gordon is meant to be decent, Williams is out on loan, meant to be rated highly, Honrby too and theres a lad in th 18s smashing them in
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Think Holgate still has a chance
The lad Gordon is meant to be decent, Williams is out on loan, meant to be rated highly, Honrby too and theres a lad in th 18s smashing them in
We've been waiting for Holgate to kick on for 18 months now and he still has the physique of a kid and hasn't improved his play. Needs to play every week somewhere to see if he does have it within him.
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I dunno why but when I see Hornby I just think he'll eventually play for someone like Norwich and be really good for them.
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Sell Holgate for 10mil.
Never making it here.
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Sell Holgate for 10mil.
Never making it here.
Silva even said in his presser the other day when talking about the difficulties in choosing between Zouma/Mina/Keane ''and not forgetting the other two, Jags and Mason'', like he had pretty much forgotten them as viable first team options.
I agree. He's not making it here.
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Holgate's chance has gone, don't see Silva keeping him; or Kenny; or Dowell
Three 17 year olds next in line: Anthony Gordon, Ryan Astley & Kyle John
Hornby trains well
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Holgate never seems to win headers which is a bad trait to have as a CB. Could see someone lower Prem buying him and never playing him until he goes into obscurity.
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Bournemouth can buy him as their Ake replacement.
Think we’ve got a decent crop still with us who we will have to see about.
Anthony Gordon, Nathangelo Markelo, Dennis Adeniran, Lewis Gibson, This Kyle kid who played in the Sport Pesa, Con Ouzounidis, Manasse Mampala..
Obviously Williams is out on loan still but is the only loaned out academy product who maybe has a chance I think? Basing that off the reports Silva liked him rather than his performances.
Antonee Robinson too I suppose, injured til the new year now.
The keeper Virginia is apparently rated.
Shame Bowler hasn’t kicked on. Shades of Matty Kennedy there I suppose.
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Everyone's forgetting Beni.
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Everyone's forgetting Beni.
Was just going to say that I was hoping to see more of him. Could be the natural successor to Gueye - but there's a lot of development required in between here and there.
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Bournemouth can buy him as their Ake replacement.
Think we’ve got a decent crop still with us who we will have to see about.
Anthony Gordon, Nathangelo Markelo, Dennis Adeniran, Lewis Gibson, This Kyle kid who played in the Sport Pesa, Con Ouzounidis, Manasse Mampala..
Obviously Williams is out on loan still but is the only loaned out academy product who maybe has a chance I think? Basing that off the reports Silva liked him rather than his performances.
Antonee Robinson too I suppose, injured til the new year now.
The keeper Virginia is apparently rated.
Shame Bowler hasn’t kicked on. Shades of Matty Kennedy there I suppose.
Has Virginia ever been in our U23s?
Seems like we're building up for him to be our number 1 in the future.
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more kids .....
https://twitter.com/TrevorMcKinlay/status/1069968541686923274
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more kids .....
https://twitter.com/TrevorMcKinlay/status/1069968541686923274
Up the Tapper Uppers!!
Seriously though all of our younger teams seem to boss every league haha
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Simms starting tonight
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1072920317243351041
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Can't watch it ,either picture no sound or no picture at all. Usual EFC cock up.
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Where the hell is Beni?
Still on the OS, I was impressed by his appearances in the first team and his write-up seems to be exactly the right type of character a young pro should aspire to have:
"At the end of the 2016/17 campaign, he scooped the prestigious Keith Tamlin award, named after the Club’s Vice Life President, for his excellence, attitude and application during their time spent in the Academy."
On a side note - 'Vice-Life President sounds gangster AF lolol
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Where the hell is Beni?
Been injured.
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Been injured.
Thanks again for the info about Beni Beeninjuredinagame :)
Hope he's back soon!
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Women are better woooo
https://twitter.com/EvertonLadies/status/1074302198933270529
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Just the ticket, Hornby back with a goal, beat Chelsea 2-0
On time for the Lions Den
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Still no sign of Beni . Not in the squad.
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Joe Williams linked to loads of clubs on a perm.
Silva has said he’s in his plans and will be in the first team next season.
Interesting to see how this pans out.
Maybe part of the midfield revamp?
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Williams would be Gana's replacement, a tough ball winner
6)Williams
7)Gomes 11)Vlasic
10)Sigurdsson
Don't know, could work
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Would be great to see some of the U23's coming through and making a real impact.
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Any mad shouts for future stars?
Gibson has been rated for ages.
I like the look of Adeniran when I’ve seen him.
It would be nice to produce an attacking player, Anthony Gordon will be good I think. But young wingers / attacking players tend to drop off sharply don’t they, end up down the leagues etc.
Hornby I’ve got in my head that he’s a big meat head but apparently used to play midfield so might be good on the sly.
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The cynic in me says there's only one path to future stardom for these players and it's setting the world on fire from day one like Rooney.
My hope is that Brands has some ideas for how we can actually develop talented players when they don't hit the ground running or stumble somewhere else along the way (i.e almost every young player).
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A shout for the top: Ryan Astley
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The cynic in me says there's only one path to future stardom for these players and it's setting the world on fire from day one like Rooney.
My hope is that Brands has some ideas for how we can actually develop talented players when they don't hit the ground running or stumble somewhere else along the way (i.e almost every young player).
Surely a good move is to let the 1s who aren’t quite good enough go quickly and cheaply with big sell on clauses and low buy backs. Let them settle elsewhere and get on with their careers with the insurance we can take our profit down the line if they make it
The situation with Pennington is very odd. He just signs contracts with little hope of doing anything here. We seem so desperate to preserve a players value that we are blind to the fact that sometimes they probably don’t have 1
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A shout for the top: Ryan Astley
.....................never gonna give him up :thumbsup:
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Together Forever
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.....................never gonna give him up :thumbsup:
Gonna get rick rolled!
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We all love a bit of footy manager nonsense
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/best-everton-wonderkids-right-now-15674985
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Ryan Astley, just signed first professional contract
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I genuinely might just watch the U-23s for the rest of the season.
Watching the first team is grim.
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Are any of the U23 squad available for a couple of hours on a weekend?
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Hornby on track for first team, scored again in 2-0 win on Monday that keeps us top
Full of steam and looks a beast!
Galloway played but Browning signs for Chinese club
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Ryan Astley, just signed first professional contract
Never gonna give him up, obviously. :D
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Never gonna give him up, obviously. :D
..................Quote from: BlueForYou on January 16, 2019, 02:45:00 AM
A shout for the top: Ryan Astley
Alanvideo.................... .never gonna give him up :thumbsup:
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Hornby on track for first team, scored again in 2-0 win on Monday that keeps us top
Full of steam and looks a beast!
................bet your chuffed with that !
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Hornby on track for first team, scored again in 2-0 win on Monday that keeps us top
Full of steam and looks a beast!
Bet he trains well. Daren't ask if he has a tender behind............
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Let’s hope he doesn’t go off the rails...
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Let’s hope he doesn’t go off the rails...
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He shouldn't. The FC should spot the signals as soon as they are flagged.
I'm stoked about this one - he's been under the radar for a bit now - a real sleeper!
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Ryan Astley, just signed first professional contract
Never gonna give him up.
Edit: bollocks, beaten to the punchline by EINC
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Never gonna give him up.
Edit: bollocks, beaten to the punchline by EINC
You could have followed with "we wouldn't get this from any other guy" :D
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Cry for help: Hornby's going underground
And guess who also scored the other night - Luke the Fluke on Loan Watch for Oxford (is he Under 23?)
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Sheffield United currently winning 1-0 away at WBA with Dowell scoring a breakaway goal.
Soz, meant this for the loan tbread.
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Sambou, player of the month
Liverpool, tonight
A good platform for our flying scotsman
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Feel a defeat coming
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We're top of the league!
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1-0 to the Blues
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Seems a shame we’re not offering Sambou a new contract and letting him go in the summer
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2-0
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Links
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Seems a shame we're not offering Sambou a new contract and letting him go in the summer
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Are we defo doing that?
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Little dig at the German prick here
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1102675288369045509
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Little dig at the German prick here
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1102675288369045509
Blimey, who was number 16 with the body swerve, acceleration, and assist?
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Blimey, who was number 16 with the body swerve, acceleration, and assist?
Anthony Gordon, midfielder who just turned 18. Played for the first team in that Europa game in Cyprus in 2017.
He also did this for the U-18s a few weeks back:
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Loving the hair style. Him and Davies....lovely.
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Reminds me of me many moons ago when I was about 14 but without the ginge
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That Dennis Adeniran looked a really powerful and fast CM, something the first team is sorely lacking.
Anyone know anything about him?
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That Dennis Adeniran looked a really powerful and fast CM, something the first team is sorely lacking.
Anyone know anything about him?
Didn't watch this game but like what I've seen from him in the past.
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Didn't watch this game but like what I've seen from him in the past.
Had a quick google and apparently we have high hopes, we payed Fulham £4m for him last year but he was out for half a season with an injury, doing well now he’s back up and running
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Didn’t see all of it but I thought the lad Bowler looked lively.
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Didn't see all of it but I thought the lad Bowler looked lively.
Unsworth been raving about him lately
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It's all about Anthony Gordon.
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Unsworth been raving about him lately
Should be looking at a loan next year I’d have thought he doesn’t look ready for the full team but he’s a talent.
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Should be looking at a loan next year I'd have thought he doesn't look ready for the full team but he's a talent.
Yeah I'd have thought so
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Are we defo doing that?
Apparently we tried to find him a loan deal in Jan to shop window him, when he gets released in the summer, but no one came in for him.
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It's all about Anthony Gordon.
https://twitter.com/EvertonAcademy/status/1103264343918104577
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That's very good news. The German clubs have been sniffing round so hopefully that keeps them at bay.
How far away is he do we reckon?
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He's not even been playing regularly for the U23's yet so I'd say he'll go there for a few seasons first
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Great cross by Bowler. From the highlights, it could have been easily 4 or 5.
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video wont play. idiots. In next post....
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https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/1104092868967321600
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video wont play. idiots. In next post....
Yes the lads
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https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/1104092868967321600
That 10 foot tall feeling!
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City’s blue!
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'Title decider V Brighton April 15th Monday 7pm @ Goodison Free Entry book your tickets Park End Only open at the moment
https://tickets.evertonfc.com/selection/event/seat?perfId=101323440178&productId=101266322663&fbclid=IwAR3gGTwCfQVgxp4bqPWgFQja8QIT73lIjKQfFa9sscKWwO2qJnZk-qjSmNQ
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Brighton drew 2-2 with Swansea to cut are lead to 3 pts with 2 games to go , we lost to City today 4-3 so same as 3pts Lead Play Brighton on Mon 15th Title Decider
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Loads of free tickets left ...gonna take the grandkids to this .
Let them see a young hungry squad hopefully with a few future first teamers .
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Game will be streamed live on Youtube - starts just before 7 here:
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The siren in an under 23s game doesn't work
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The siren in an under 23s game doesn't work
No, you’re messing. Please tell me you’re messing?
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No, you’re messing. Please tell me you’re messing?
Nope not messing, was played before zcars and had flame machines as well
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1-0! Great goal from Josh Bowler!
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Clearance off the line by Hornby!
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Nice to hear they still play shit fucking music at the U23s
Fucking shite
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Brighton have started the second half strongly but Bowler and Hornby have both had chances to score.
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Should be 2-0 up but can't put our chances away. Shades of the first team!
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Brighton penalty missed! Poor lad slipped and ballooned it wide.
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Kinell what a slip . Now take advantage Blues
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Champions!
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Champions!
........... :hail:
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Gibson very very good.
Bowler good but in and out the game.
Looked like a 442 with a big man up top. Didn't think much of the football we played but some good individual players.
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Just doesn't work does it
https://twitter.com/Adam_Jones94/status/1117850605299486720
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Just doesn't work does it
https://twitter.com/Adam_Jones94/status/1117850605299486720
Never thought z cars does either though to be fair for the u23 games
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Hard for it to work with a 2 1/3rds empty stadium .....but they won both game and league ...and aside a real shit peno never looked to hassled. me and the grandkids loved it and the staff give the kids clappers so they felt spoiled ....well done to the lads and all for making it a good night .
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Who’s making it into the first team out of this lot then?
I’m proper out of touch with this crop of youngsters.
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Who’s making it into the first team out of this lot then?
I’m proper out of touch with this crop of youngsters.
Gibson was very impressive mate. Gave the pen away but I won't be surprised to see him playing real football very soon.
Modern Cb; physically imposing, headers, blocks, bollocking people, but also very very comfortable bringing the ball out and breaking lines dribbling.
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Gibson was very impressive mate. Gave the pen away but I won't be surprised to see him playing real football very soon.
Modern Cb; physically imposing, headers, blocks, bollocking people, but also very very comfortable bringing the ball out and breaking lines dribbling.
He’s with the first team here. Seem to be making an effort to make sure you know he’s with the first team.
Can go left back as well can’t he?
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Who's making it into the first team out of this lot then?
I'm proper out of touch with this crop of youngsters.
I'd be surprised to see any tbh. The gulf is massive nowadays
Winning these things are great but they mean little tbh
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I'd be surprised to see any tbh. The gulf is massive nowadays
Winning these things are great but they mean little tbh
Meant an awful lot to the team and all that were there .
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He’s with the first team here. Seem to be making an effort to make sure you know he’s with the first team.
Can go left back as well can’t he?
Not sure re LB, he is left sided and looks quite quick with the ball at his feet but never really seen him before last night.
Foulds came on around the 72nd minute and Galloway shuffled across to make a 5 at the back to help see out the game. Foulds looked good as well.
Feeney didn't put a foot wrong and dived in the park end after the final whistle which was good stuff, but he looks small. Deceptively quick tho.
I think Brands will be looking to move unsworth and co on soon. It was like watching Cardiff, but the individual quality was as good or better than their opponents rather than worse. They should be playing something that remotely represents what the first team are doing I think.
Hornby and Sambou won't see prem football. Bowler and Gibson should go the champ next year hopefully.
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You will imagine Brands will want the U23s to echo what the first team do; tactics, formation, how they play etc.
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Isn't Sambou's contract running out anyways?
Does the youth teams have the players to play in the same style as what Silva wants, i.e. 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1? Do they have the right type of wide forwards?
And yeah, the gulf is massive. Remember we have several under 23 players in the first squad (DCL, Davies, Lookman, Kenny, Richarlison. Imagine how they would dominate at this level. I would imagine the lads that have been on load to Championship have a much better chance. I.e. Connolly, Williams, Robinson, Holgate) and at best they will most likely be in the periphery. If there was no transfer budget then I cold see some of the promoted to the subs bench.
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He’s with the first team here. Seem to be making an effort to make sure you know he’s with the first team.
Can go left back as well can’t he?
He's got a year left on his contract and he's highly rated so there will be other teams having a sniff. Having him train with the first team is a good way to show him that he has a future with us. Ideally you want him to sign an extension and get him on loan to a good championship team next season.
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Isn't Sambou's contract running out anyways?
Does the youth teams have the players to play in the same style as what Silva wants, i.e. 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1? Do they have the right type of wide forwards?
And yeah, the gulf is massive. Remember we have several under 23 players in the first squad (DCL, Davies, Lookman, Kenny, Richarlison. Imagine how they would dominate at this level. I would imagine the lads that have been on load to Championship have a much better chance. I.e. Connolly, Williams, Robinson, Holgate) and at best they will most likely be in the periphery. If there was no transfer budget then I cold see some of the promoted to the subs bench.
Its wonderful for the players and their families to win this league but it means very little to the club.
The main aim of the u23s should be to provide players for the first team. Ajax probably have the most successful football academy in Europe. Their youth teams are famous for playing the same system as the first team so that when they get into the first team they are ready to slot straight in. They are currently 7th in their youth league but have provided 11 players in the current Ajax first team (5 of these are regular starters in the first XI)
Of the team that won the PL2 two seasons ago, 4 are currently in our first team and DCL is the only one that can be considered a regular starter in the first XI
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Meant an awful lot to the team and all that were there .
Not saying it doesnt mean a lot to the lads and the fans involved, I mean it means little in the future team being littered with young lads coming through
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People have mentioned that Brands might want an upgrade on Unsworth in order to produce the type of player capable of playing PL . Winning the PL2 twice in 3 seasons is about as good as it gets ,yet as @Jimmywhack (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) says , its meaningless in terms of players coming through.
On the evidence of last night's game you might say Bowler and one or two others are worth a try from the bench in the odd game ,maybe in the early UEFA's if we happen to scrape in ,unlikely I know.
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Its wonderful for the players and their families to win this league but it means very little to the club.
The main aim of the u23s should be to provide players for the first team. Ajax probably have the most successful football academy in Europe. Their youth teams are famous for playing the same system as the first team so that when they get into the first team they are ready to slot straight in. They are currently 7th in their youth league but have provided 11 players in the current Ajax first team (5 of these are regular starters in the first XI)
Of the team that won the PL2 two seasons ago, 4 are currently in our first team and DCL is the only one that can be considered a regular starter in the first XI
To be fair, it’s much easier to step up to the Eridevisie than it is to the Premier League. The PL is the fastest/most demanding league in the world, and no clubs have several youngsters stepping up from the same crop.
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https://twitter.com/LewisGippa3/status/1118128173282205696
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https://twitter.com/LewisGippa3/status/1118128173282205696
Was great last night ...can see him and a couple of others making the full squad myself ...Bowler Sambou maybe even Feeney ...but they need to be looking to go out on loan next season and get some good minutes .
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Gibson did cost us £6m which for a youth team player is nuts, even in these times. You’d like to think he’d be nailed-on to be a first teamer. Seems to be on the right track.
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Was great last night ...can see him and a couple of others making the full squad myself ...Bowler Sambou maybe even Feeney ...but they need to be looking to go out on loan next season and get some good minutes .
..............Sambou is out of contract in June ,I thought I read somewhere he was being released ?
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Can't believe people are arsed about the siren at this game - it was a potential title-winning game ffs! The lads deserved it.
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..............Sambou is out of contract in June ,I thought I read somewhere he was being released ?
Yeah, Sambou isn’t making it in the PL, not enough to his all round game
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Gibson did cost us £6m which for a youth team player is nuts, even in these times. You’d like to think he’d be nailed-on to be a first teamer. Seems to be on the right track.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that it was £1M with a potential to cost £6M. I imagine some of the addons would include first team appearances
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Gibson did cost us £6m which for a youth team player is nuts, even in these times. You’d like to think he’d be nailed-on to be a first teamer. Seems to be on the right track.
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You’d hope that the vast majority of that was made up by target related payments and the initial fee was much lower.
But guess it’s hard to be sure given we’ve been so blasé with money these past few years.
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Watching the U23s tonight at West Ham. Most interested to watch Lewis Gibson given the U23s incredible defensive record, and whether he might be sent out on loan next year to test him more.
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Nice article on Sambou by the Echo: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/roberto-martinez-transfer-who-aiming-16207604
Some thoughts on the under 23s 2-1 defeat against West Ham on Monday evening:
- We rested 3 key players (Bowler, Sambou and Virginia) and it showed. West Ham needed to win to avoid relegation, and also had 2 first teamers in there, so was always going to be difficult.
- Fraser Hornby is Andy Carroll in disguise. Big lad up top, with little skill - can't see him making it with us based on this
- Josh Bowler - when he came on, we instantly looked better. Good speed and skill, and is physically powerful. Would like to see him in and around the first team for cup games next year.
- Lewis Gibson - Generally impressive. The first goal conceded was a result of West Ham playing Diangana on the right hand side, and he ripped Galloway apart. The second was from a shot outside the box, and little he could do.
- London Stadium - Its dreadful. For anyone that hasn't been, the lower tier and top tier are separate from eachother, segregated by scaffolding in the middle (lower tier moves back for Athletics Events).
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Double is on!
U23's in Cup Final after 2-0 semi-final win against Swansea with goals from Hornby and Sambou
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Still won't get any recognition on sky.
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Final against Newcastle at Goodison on Wednesday
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Any ticket info?
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Any ticket info?
https://twitter.com/EFC_FansForum/status/1125447452784496640
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Final tomorrow and still no ticket info, well in Everton
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1125705086083182593
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Feeney and Sambou in shortlist for U23 League Player of the Season award
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Aren’t they letting that lad Sambou go as well?
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Aren’t they letting that lad Sambou go as well?
Think I read he's been offered a contract but the original story was definitely that we were letting him go.
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Anyone know if the game will be shown on Facebook or Everton tv please?
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Potential cup double for them, and the official Liverpool city council twitter account were raving about Liverpools winning the youth cup, didn't even mention Everton.
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It's live free on Evertons Youtube account
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Feeney, Evans, Adeniran, and Bowler have been great..
half time came at the wrong time for us.. we was playing really well
if you want to watch the 2nd half.
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It's live free on Evertons Youtube account
Hornby missed two great chances easier to score to be fair ...Bowler is the stand out tbh ....and how has Sambou not been given a new contract has out in June. .shame .
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1-0 Feeney, who im told has a season ticket in GT4
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Our keeper kicks it longer than Pickford !
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Josh Bowler should move up to the first team squad next season or on loan to a top championship club. Class above on the pitch.
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Double winner's, first team to do it as well, I wonder we'll get any sort of recognition on SSN. Probably not
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BK & Farhad there too
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not had sky on all day- not brave enough-
update this if we get any coverage lads
well done Blues ;D
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Well done Unsy and the little blues, boss season - couple of them need loans to championship sides for experience
hope it gets some coverage, highly doubt it though.
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Stream cut out before trophy presentation 😂
Bowler was class, Markelo, Adeniran, and Gibson all good as well.
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hahahah kenwright and moshiri in the celebrations
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Double winner's, first team to do it as well, I wonder we'll get any sort of recognition on SSN. Probably not
Most our fans aren’t arsed so I doubt sky are.
I didn’t even know this was happening tonight tbh.
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Was a great night for all who went again ....well done the lads ...deserved every bit of that celebrating ....good to see Marco Marcel BK and Moshiri there as well as some first teamers .
Love these u23 night's :thumbsup:
Great first double .
Bowler is a definite baller
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Think Brands will only keep a few of these lads. Expect a mass exodus this summer. Lads who are in their 20s and have never kicked a ball in anger, are never going to make the grade. The U23s should really have 17/18 year olds in it.
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Is Joao Virginia the keeper for them?
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Is Joao Virginia the keeper for them?
Yea
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This is the team that beat Arsenal U23s 5-0 a couple of years ago to give an idea of the chances any of this current lot have of making the first team:
Hewelt - Still in U23s
G. Jones - Sold to Fleetwood
Kenny - Everton
Connolly - Loaned to Bolton
Robinson - Loaned to Wigan
Dowell - Loaned to Sheffield United
Davies - Everton
Walsh - Sold to Bristol City
Henen - To be released
Niasse - Whatever
DCL - Everton
Not bad really, got three squad players from that team.
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This is the team that beat Arsenal U23s 5-0 a couple of years ago to give an idea of the chances any of this current lot have of making the first team:
Hewelt - Still in U23s
G. Jones - Sold to Fleetwood
Kenny - Everton
Connolly - Loaned to Bolton
Robinson - Loaned to Wigan
Dowell - Loaned to Sheffield United
Davies - Everton
Walsh - Sold to Bristol City
Henen - To be released
Niasse - Whatever
DCL - Everton
Not bad really, got three squad players from that team.
Not to be negative, but whilst DCL certainly developed in the U23s he wasn’t a product of the academy. Kenny isn’t good enough and will be off in the next year or so. Davies will be a good player and certainly a good squad player. That’s not a great strike-rate.
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It's actually quite good. If every year was that good the team could be pretty self-sufficient. From that example it's still hard to tell which ones are going to really make it but if you get one player who will in the future be a first team regular you'd almost fill up the first team with those players assuming no-one is sold to bigger clubs. If two, then you would fill up the first team squad.
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I appreciate there are late bloomers and teams don’t want to miss out on the next Harry Kane, but Charsley is 22, Broadhead and quite a few others are 21. It’s debatable whether these players will even have a professional career in football, let alone play in our first team.
There are rumours Brands will tear up the youth system this summer, it’ll be interesting to see what he implements.
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It seems harsh to knock Rhino given his outstanding success with the U23's but I wonder if Brands is content with that. Very few players make the step up to first team duties. Bowler and Virginia are the most likely of the current crop and they were brought in from elsewhere.
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But success for the U23s shouldn’t be winning trophy’s. It should be about bringing youngsters into the first team or selling academic players for a substantial profit.
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Haha what?!
Let’s bin the comps and just have them train at finch farm until we kinda guess they're ready for competitive action 👍
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Not to be negative, but whilst DCL certainly developed in the U23s he wasn’t a product of the academy. Kenny isn’t good enough and will be off in the next year or so. Davies will be a good player and certainly a good squad player. That’s not a great strike-rate.
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It is compared to other teams.
There's only so much you can do at youth level, the vast majority just aren't going to be talented enough no matter how much they do right in terms of work ethic.
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But success for the U23s shouldn't be winning trophy's. It should be about bringing youngsters into the first team or selling academic players for a substantial profit.
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What the fuck are you on about, let's not win trophies whilst you're in the reserves you know because your value will become greater by just training for a bit
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Reckon we’ve done very well from that crop of players.
Davies, DCL, Kenny are all first team players with over 50 appearances each.
Dowell and Robinson are both very good players who should have a future in the premier league.
I think that’s as good as you can expect from a under 23 crop.
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But success for the U23s shouldn’t be winning trophy’s. It should be about bringing youngsters into the first team or selling academic players for a substantial profit.
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Have we not been doing that though?
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Haha what?!
Let's bin the comps and just have them train at finch farm until we kinda guess they're ready for competitive action 
I didn’t say bin the comps, just that the success in these comps has no bearing on the first team.
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Yeah, if the choice is winning PL2 every year and no-one making the grade to first team and never winning anything with the youth team but getting first team players regularly any sane club would opt for the second. Because what's the point of the youth team in the first place?
Main criticism on Unsworth is he plays a totally different style to the first team and it seems very results-oriented.
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Success with the U23s is certainly bringing players through to the first team. However, a winning mentality is huge in football (as England's youth teams have shown), and if you can breed that confidence and success through the youth setup, the first team will benefit.
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I didn’t say bin the comps, just that the success in these comps has no bearing on the first team.
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Yeah, if the choice is winning PL2 every year and no-one making the grade to first team and never winning anything with the youth team but getting first team players regularly any sane club would opt for the second. Because what's the point of the youth team in the first place?
Main criticism on Unsworth is he plays a totally different style to the first team and it seems very results-oriented.
...............this is what I was getting at earlier. It's great having the best U23 team in the country but I bet Brands is looking at replacing Rhino with someone who could provide more end product .
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What the fuck are you on about, let's not win trophies whilst you're in the reserves you know because your value will become greater by just training for a bit
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No, its great for them to win trophys, it's just not the point of u23 football.
Feeney won the 2017 euros with England, most of that squad is now playing mens football while feeney is in his 20s winning a Youth Cup.
Broadhead is part of the immensely talented Wales U21 squad, he's just won player of the year for us in youth football, but has never kicked a ball in a grown up game in his life. There's only one other Wales U21 squad member in the same position is 2 years younger than him.
Our squad is older than Chelsea, City, Liverpool etc. Because our players are stuck at the same developmental level playing hoofball, while they loan theirs out to produce if not stars then £££.
Trophys are great and v proud of the u23s, but where dya think these 20-22 year old are going now because it isn't into our first team.
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City sold 13 youngsters, that had 33 first team appearances between them, for £136m.
Chelsea make between £50m and £100m every season, loaning players, most of which are youth team players.
Liverpool sold Danny Ward for £10m and have Woodburn, Wilson, Grujic - who are all worth 8 figures. How much would they get for TAA in this market?
Obviously, those teams have greater resources - but that’s what we should aspire to. Not get excited because a load of future League 1 players have won a few trophies.
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Players are coming through and we’re winning things, don’t know what the issue is?
Extremely unfair to call unsworths football ‘hoofball’. Maybe it’s changed now, but that team he had of dowell, Davies, Kenny etc played good football.
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City sold 13 youngsters, that had 33 first team appearances between them, for £136m.
Chelsea make between £50m and £100m every season, loaning players, most of which are youth team players.
Liverpool sold Danny Ward for £10m and have Woodburn, Wilson, Grujic - who are all worth 8 figures. How much would they get for TAA in this market?
Obviously, those teams have greater resources - but that’s what we should aspire to. Not get excited because a load of future League 1 players have won a few trophies.
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How many of those players City and Chelsea sold or are loaned out weren’t actually from their academy originally? Even the four Liverpool ones you’ve mentioned there’s at least 1 who isn’t from their academy.
Chelsea up until RLC hadn’t produce anything from their academy for 20 years even though they’ve spent hundreds of millions on it. City have spent hundreds of millions on theirs and all they’ve got to show for it is Foden and he could go either way. Same with the shite and TAA, who was their last academy graduate to become a regular for them? Gerrard? 20 something years ago?
If he hadn’t chose to go to Chelsea we’d still have Barkley, after years of Osman and Hibbert (people may have differing opinions on them but they both had 10+ years as premier league players for a top 5/6/7 club) and it looks promising Davies will do the same. That’s better than any other club you’ve mentioned easily, without the hundreds of millions they’ve all poured into their academy’s over the last 20 odd years.
This current crop may or may not produce a star or two for us but it’s more likely they will compared to who you want us to be like.
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Ffs the young lads do the double and people on here complain because we don't crank a Rooney out every year .
Everton 'supporters' that.
Chelsea Liverpool etc etc pay rediculous amounts for poaching their youth ....which we have only just started doing ...it takes time .
In the meantime i am enjoying the u23's success and the games out with the grandkids building their relationship with footy .....it's not all about money ...when it's plain to see we are progressing .
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City and Chelsea have the resources available to stockpile youngsters with no intention of ever playing them.
Poor comparison imo.
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Ffs the young lads do the double and people on here complain because we don't crank a Rooney out every year .
Everton 'supporters' that.
Chelsea Liverpool etc etc pay rediculous amounts for poaching their youth ....which we have only just started doing ...it takes time .
In the meantime i am enjoying the u23's success and the games out with the grandkids building their relationship with footy .....it's not all about money ...when it's plain to see we are progressing .
Great post 
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How many of those players City and Chelsea sold or are loaned out weren't actually from their academy originally? Even the four Liverpool ones you've mentioned there's at least 1 who isn't from their academy.
Chelsea up until RLC hadn't produce anything from their academy for 20 years even though they've spent hundreds of millions on it. City have spent hundreds of millions on theirs and all they've got to show for it is Foden and he could go either way. Same with the shite and TAA, who was their last academy graduate to become a regular for them? Gerrard? 20 something years ago?
If he hadn't chose to go to Chelsea we'd still have Barkley, after years of Osman and Hibbert (people may have differing opinions on them but they both had 10+ years as premier league players for a top 5/6/7 club) and it looks promising Davies will do the same. That's better than any other club you've mentioned easily, without the hundreds of millions they've all poured into their academy's over the last 20 odd years.
This current crop may or may not produce a star or two for us but it's more likely they will compared to who you want us to be like.
You’re missing the point. Their academies may not produce players for the first team, but the money those players generate (in transfers and loan fees), goes towards players that improve the club.
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City and Chelsea have the resources available to stockpile youngsters with no intention of ever playing them.
Poor comparison imo.
It’s not comparison - it’s what we should aspire to. It’s having a plan, rather than just waiting for the next Rooney to emerge.
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Ffs the young lads do the double and people on here complain because we don't crank a Rooney out every year .
Everton 'supporters' that.
Chelsea Liverpool etc etc pay rediculous amounts for poaching their youth ....which we have only just started doing ...it takes time .
In the meantime i am enjoying the u23's success and the games out with the grandkids building their relationship with footy .....it's not all about money ...when it's plain to see we are progressing .
The ‘modern football’ debate, is another issue.
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You’re missing the point. Their academies may not produce players for the first team, but the money those players generate (in transfers and loan fees), goes towards players that improve the club.
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I don’t think I am. Your original point started off by saying we don’t have a “great strike rate” then went onto say the u23s should be about “bringing youngsters into the first team”.
Then you brought up other clubs and their academy’s saying how profitable they are but ignoring how much they’ve spent the past 20 years on signing these lads in whilst never producing anybody for their first teams.
We've probably the best academy in the country that’s not just shown now by the u23’s winning two trophies this season it’s been shown over the last 20+ years when we’ve been producing footballers for the first team far more regularly than others on a fraction of the budget and offering lots of kids who don’t make it here a pathway into the professional game.
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I don’t think I am. Your original point started off by saying we don’t have a “great strike rate” then went onto say the u23s should be about “bringing youngsters into the first team”.
Then you brought up other clubs and their academy’s saying how profitable they are but ignoring how much they’ve spent the past 20 years on signing these lads in whilst never producing anybody for their first teams.
We've probably the best academy in the country that’s not just shown now by the u23’s winning two trophies this season it’s been shown over the last 20+ years when we’ve been producing footballers for the first team far more regularly than others on a fraction of the budget and offering lots of kids who don’t make it here a pathway into the professional game.
The greatest academy in the country? That’s a daft claim. We’ve had Rooney in an age that could make an impact for a top side. Liverpool Owen Fowler Sterling gerrard TAA etc etc etc. We produce lots of okay players. We aren’t close to producing anything like the quality they have
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Its not comparison - its what we should aspire to. Its having a plan, rather than just waiting for the next Rooney to emerge.
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We have a plan, and that will become a lot more effective with Brands in charge.
Our plan is to integrate a way of playing from the under 9s right through to the first team, creating a clear pathway for players good enough to become members of the first team.
City and Chelsea just stockpile young players and sell them on for inflated fees with no intention of ever developing them.
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The greatest academy in the country? That’s a daft claim. We’ve had Rooney in an age that could make an impact for a top side. Liverpool Owen Fowler Sterling gerrard TAA etc etc etc. We produce lots of okay players. We aren’t close to producing anything like the quality they have
Fowler was 25+ years back, Owen pretty much the same, Gerrard 20+ years ago also and Sterling was brought in for a lot of money at 16.
Basically a lifetime ago Liverpool were producing quality players until TAA and he’s only just began and his career could go either way at such a young age.
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Fowler was 25+ years back, Owen pretty much the same, Gerrard 20+ years ago also and Sterling was brought in for a lot of money at 16.
Basically a lifetime ago Liverpool were producing quality players until TAA and he’s only just began and his career could go either way at such a young age.
The post I quoted said 20 plus years proof we’ve got the best youth system in the country. In recent times we’ve spent money on buying youth talent in too.
The reality is we’ve produced 1 champions league level player in probably 25 plus years. It’s not good. We make a lot of okay footballers who have decent careers.
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The post I quoted said 20 plus years proof we’ve got the best youth system in the country. In recent times we’ve spent money on buying youth talent in too.
The reality is we’ve produced 1 champions league level player in probably 25 plus years. It’s not good. We make a lot of okay footballers who have decent careers.
Yeah and you’re going back 25 years for Fowler and Owen and then including Sterling who was bought for something like £6m as a 16 year old.
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We have a plan, and that will become a lot more effective with Brands in charge.
Our plan is to integrate a way of playing from the under 9s right through to the first team, creating a clear pathway for players good enough to become members of the first team.
City and Chelsea just stockpile young players and sell them on for inflated fees with no intention of ever developing them.
Obviously Brands was (in part) brought in to overhaul the youth set-up.
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If you look at Academy graduates in the Premier League Manchester United is head and shoulders above anyone else and we don't even rank in the top ten:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/revealed-premier-leagues-most-successful-9671204
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We have a plan, and that will become a lot more effective with Brands in charge.
Our plan is to integrate a way of playing from the under 9s right through to the first team, creating a clear pathway for players good enough to become members of the first team.
City and Chelsea just stockpile young players and sell them on for inflated fees with no intention of ever developing them.
That plan sounds great, but it isn't what actually has been happening at the club like.
If someone said to you : our plan is to hold players back so they are playing for years against other kids at the same level but younger and less physically developed than them, play kick and rush football that doesn't represent at all what the first team do in an effort to get results at this level before the players leave on frees to league 1 clubs, would you say that is a good strategy?
I'm made up for the u23s and I think there's some real talent there, but I guarantee there will be some changes coming to that department.
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Great result from the U23s and great to see Kenwright, Moshiri, Brands and Silva all there, though Bill's appearance seems to have rubbed some up the wrong way judging from other sites
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Great result from the U23s and great to see Kenwright, Moshiri, Brands and Silva all there, though Bill's appearance seems to have rubbed some up the wrong way judging from other sites
Bill literally gave the fans money the other week and got stick,
People are bellends, they're entitled to be bellends and we're entitled to call them bellends.
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Where's my fiver Bill?
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That plan sounds great, but it isn't what actually has been happening at the club like.
If someone said to you : our plan is to hold players back so they are playing for years against other kids at the same level but younger and less physically developed than them, play kick and rush football that doesn't represent at all what the first team do in an effort to get results at this level before the players leave on frees to league 1 clubs, would you say that is a good strategy?
I'm made up for the u23s and I think there's some real talent there, but I guarantee there will be some changes coming to that department.
That our plan is it yeah?
My mistake. Crack on fella.
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Duplicate.
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Funny really last night watching both them teams play footy ...hardly any kick n rush between them (unjust descriptive )...and all the u23's I've seen this year have been of comparable size weight and ability not really much difference between an 18-19-or 21 year old in reality (if your good enough your old enough and all that)...including the game last night .
I would also welcome some changes to the youth set up if I'm honest we would all love 11Rooney types a year ...but it's never gonna be a prem player factory ....some should actually go and see the work these lads put in .. it's great to see them play for the shirt .
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That our plan is it yeah?
My mistake. Crack on fella.
Well that's what's happening whether you like it or not.
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Well that's what's happening whether you like it or not.
Stop stating your opinions as matter of fact.
There’s obviously changes that brands will like to make and those changes are already afoot, but unsworth deserves a lot, lot more credit than you’re wanting to give him.
As I say, I haven’t watched them this season but the ‘hoofball’ stuff that you talk about surprises me as they didnt play that way when I used to watch them
Three players in DCL, Davies and Kenny who are first team regular.
I don’t think any changes made to the academy will change anything in terms of the amount of players that break through from the academy.
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Funny really last night watching both them teams play footy ...hardly any kick n rush between them (unjust descriptive )...and all the u23's I've seen this year have been of comparable size weight and ability not really much difference between an 18-19-or 21 year old in reality (if your good enough your old enough and all that)...including the game last night .
I would also welcome some changes to the youth set up if I'm honest we would all love 11Rooney types a year ...but it's never gonna be a prem player factory ....some should actually go and see the work these lads put in .. it's great to see them play for the shirt .
The thing is though there’s not much value in playing 21-22 year olds whom we pretty much know won’t ever make it. We seem very reluctant to move some players on.
I’d sooner do less well and give them places in the team to younger players with potential still to make it
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Stop stating your opinions as matter of fact.
There’s obviously changes that brands will like to make and those changes are already afoot, but unsworth deserves a lot, lot more credit than you’re wanting to give him.
As I say, I haven’t watched them this season but the ‘hoofball’ stuff that you talk about surprises me as they didnt play that way when I used to watch them
Three players in DCL, Davies and Kenny who are first team regular.
I don’t think any changes made to the academy will change anything in terms of the amount of players that break through from the academy.
Only 1 of them 3 is a first team regular and he was bought and and will probably be replaced in the summer
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Only 1 of them 3 is a first team regular and he was bought and and will probably be replaced in the summer
They’re all first team players.
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The thing is though there’s not much value in playing 21-22 year olds whom we pretty much know won’t ever make it. We seem very reluctant to move some players on.
I’d sooner do less well and give them places in the team to younger players with potential still to make it
But again if they were good enough they would be old enough ,be they 18 20 22 ot even 16 as we have all seen
Let's just jib it all off at and have one group of youngsters between 15 and 22 fuck all this nurturing shite... or if they're not good enough at 15 fuck them all off ..would that suit you perchance ?.
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They’re all first team players.
True but I don’t think anyone would be amazed if all of them didn’t have a long term future in our first team. We’d all swap all 3 for a rashford or a TAA. We’ve developed 1 top 6 standard player in about 25 years (possibly longer)
We do okay for decent players. We don’t do well for players a successful club could use. Maybe I have unrealistic expectations
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Stop stating your opinions as matter of fact.
There’s obviously changes that brands will like to make and those changes are already afoot, but unsworth deserves a lot, lot more credit than you’re wanting to give him.
As I say, I haven’t watched them this season but the ‘hoofball’ stuff that you talk about surprises me as they didnt play that way when I used to watch them
Three players in DCL, Davies and Kenny who are first team regular.
I don’t think any changes made to the academy will change anything in terms of the amount of players that break through from the academy.
Fair enough, I'll reign it in.
Yeah like I say I don't think our hit rate is terrible, and I like to see us buying in players like Holgate, DCL, Lookman, talent acquisition for that level is massively important, all your kids can't come from Bootle ffs.
But, you don't think any changes made to the academy will make any difference to its success at producing players? Am I misunderstanding that or something because that seems an extremely strange thing to think.
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True but I don't think anyone would be amazed if all of them didn't have a long term future in our first team. We'd all swap all 3 for a rashford or a TAA. We've developed 1 top 6 standard player in about 25 years (possibly longer)
We do okay for decent players. We don't do well for players a successful club could use. Maybe I have unrealistic expectations
Barkley’s at a top 3 side and in the final of the Europa cup we developed him as well.
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I think it’s a fair point that the purpose of development sides isn’t to win things. Saying that isn’t disrespectful to the team, players or club, it’s just stating a fact.
We all can agree that it’s great seeing them win things, but it’s not a true marker or indication of talent given the gulf between U23 and league 1 (even 2 maybe). That’s where true development of players comes from. We do need to get better at shipping out these players at an earlier stage so that they can fulfill their potential.
And I think that will be the plan moving forward with Brands wanting continuity through the levels.
I do think it’s a bit harsh on Unsworth to say his side plays hoofball or rush and go football. The U23s have played decent football whenever I’ve seen them. Whether that matches what we want from the 1st team is a different matter.
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I think it's a fair point that the purpose of development sides isn't to win things. Saying that isn't disrespectful to the team, players or club, it's just stating a fact.
We all can agree that it's great seeing them win things, but it's not a true marker or indication of talent given the gulf between U23 and league 1 (even 2 maybe). That's where true development of players comes from. We do need to get better at shipping out these players at an earlier stage so that they can fulfill their potential.
And I think that will be the plan moving forward with Brands wanting continuity through the levels.
I do think it's a bit harsh on Unsworth to say his side plays hoofball or rush and go football. The U23s have played decent football whenever I've seen them. Whether that matches what we want from the 1st team is a different matter.
Where can we go to watch the U23s from here, is it the club site or is there other options?
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Fair enough, I'll reign it in.
Yeah like I say I don't think our hit rate is terrible, and I like to see us buying in players like Holgate, DCL, Lookman, talent acquisition for that level is massively important, all your kids can't come from Bootle ffs.
But, you don't think any changes made to the academy will make any difference to its success at producing players? Am I misunderstanding that or something because that seems an extremely strange thing to think.
Might be a slight improvement, but I don’t see anything changing significantly to be honest.
How many premier league teams constantly churn out players from the academy for the first team?
What brands will do here is nothing different to what a lot of teams are already doing.
I think we’ve had a good record over recent years in producing players from the academy anyway.
Only thing I see changing that much is turning youngsters over for profit, instead of flogging them to the age of 21/22 and releasing them.
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Might be a slight improvement, but I don’t see anything changing significantly to be honest.
How many premier league teams constantly churn out players from the academy for the first team?
What brands will do here is nothing different to what a lot of teams are already doing.
I think we’ve had a good record over recent years in producing players from the academy anyway.
Only thing I see changing that much is turning youngsters over for profit, instead of flogging them to the age of 21/22 and releasing them.
Right well agree to disagree I suppose.
I think he was lauded for his work with PSV's academy but different environment innit.
Don't think anyone regular produces first team players really, very difficult, but yeah one of the most important things would be to provide income instead of releasing them on frees.
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Fuckinell have I just read?
Well done the U23's!
Sake.
shakeyheadman
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Where can we go to watch the U23s from here, is it the club site or is there other options?
there's been a few games broadcast on youtube
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Nathan Broadhead got U23 player of the year, at the Dixie’s. Anyone seen much of him?
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I have watched the U23s twice this season, and the kind of football they were playing was similar to the first team.
Lots of passes through the central midfield area, good wide play, and good use of the front man to hold the ball up. Lots of short passing, and lots of switching of play was utilized to stretch the pitch for guys like Bowler to get one on one with the opposition fullback.
It's a really good base to work from, and if you can win whilst producing quality players for the first team, then it can only be defined as successful.
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I have watched the U23s twice this season, and the kind of football they were playing was similar to the first team.
Lots of passes through the central midfield area, good wide play, and good use of the front man to hold the ball up. Lots of short passing, and lots of switching of play was utilized to stretch the pitch for guys like Bowler to get one on one with the opposition fullback.
It's a really good base to work from, and if you can win whilst producing quality players for the first team, then it can only be defined as successful.
So a far cry from the "kick and rush " or the "hoofball" that some claim the u23's play constantly ...
Glad it wasn't just me thought they actually played footy quite well .
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So a far cry from the "kick and rush " or the "hoofball" that some claim the u23's play constantly ...
Glad it wasn't just me thought they actually played footy quite well .
Yeah but gaz also seems to think the first team play lots of passes through the centre of midfield so you know, pinch of salt.
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Yeah but gaz also seems to think the first team play lots of passes through the centre of midfield so you know, pinch of salt.
Funny I thought he said 'similar to the first team' ....and we do actually go through the midfield then to the wings ...so yano ...opinion . ..and he's only seen two u23 games ...must have been actually watching to be so observant :thumbsup:
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Funny I thought he said 'similar to the first team' ....and we do actually go through the midfield then to the wings ...so yano ...opinion . ..and he's only seen two u23 games ...must have been actually watching to be so observant :thumbsup:
We do to be fair, we just don't play through very well. Switching it is true though.
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Unsworth, Everton Giant
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Broadhead in senior Wales squad
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Broadhead in senior Wales squad
Hopefully it’ll be a good shop window for him.
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Hopefully it'll be a good shop window for him.
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It’s just a training camp I think.
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It's just a training camp I think.
It's the squad for the euro qualifiers coming up. That said, it's a big squad so it may well be that
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Let Pawel Zuk go and he's been signed up by a Polish club.
Not sure I've seen a list anywhere of contracts signed and released though?
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It's the squad for the euro qualifiers coming up. That said, it's a big squad so it may well be that
It's the preliminary squad for a training camp in Portugal. From there they'll decide on playing squad (at least that's usually what happens).
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2019-05-21/giggs-selects-bale-in-wales-euro-2020-squad-for-portugal-training-camp/
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Broadhead played in every U23 game and also won U18 player of the season a few years back, plus scored both goals in 2-0 win over Liverpool
Just turned 21 and contracted until next year, don't think he's ever been loaned out
Good prospect but probably not with us
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Broadhead played in every U23 game and also won U18 player of the season a few years back
And this years U23 award
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Broadhead played in every U23 game and also won U18 player of the season a few years back, plus scored both goals in 2-0 win over Liverpool
Just turned 21 and contracted until next year, don't think he's ever been loaned out
Good prospect but probably not with us
Sounds like he was a good prospect, a few years ago. Cue a loan move to Wigan then.
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Sounds like he was a good prospect, a few years ago. Cue a loan move to Wigan then.
Teams like Utd and the shite are really good at selling players before everyone else realises they’re not good enough. I know they receive a premium, given their status but I still feel this is an area we need to improve in. I honestly believe Liverpool would’ve made £20m on Galloway and Garbutt.
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Teams like Utd and the shite are really good at selling players before everyone else realises theyre not good enough. I know they receive a premium, given their status but I still feel this is an area we need to improve in. I honestly believe Liverpool wouldve made £20m on Galloway and Garbutt.
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They managed to get Bournemouth for example to part with nearly £40m for Solanke, Jordan Ibe and Brad Smith, which is unreal.
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Sounds like he was a good prospect, a few years ago. Cue a loan move to Wigan then.
...........he'd probably develop more at Wigan or wherever ,playing against established pro's. I don't see the point of U23's playing year after year against other U23's .
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Davies injured, out of the U21s. Lookman also missed the final squad.
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1132974914259095557
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Shane Lavery had joined Linfield.
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Still not sure why they haven’t given out the released list. Maybe waiting until Baines decides what he’s doing?
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I read before it is out on Friday
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Think were all waiting eagerly to see Ashley Williams' name on that
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Pennington on the verge of another loan.
Another victory for the blues academy, giving average players 3 year contracts and loaning them out again and again to lose what minimal value they have before they eventually leave on a free.
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Pennington on the verge of another loan.
Another victory for the blues academy, giving average players 3 year contracts and loaning them out again and again to lose what minimal value they have before they eventually leave on a free.
It’s ridiculous he’s still at the club. He’s a lower league player and everyone knows it
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Derby were interested in Pennington in Jan, and he had a good season at Ipswich, by all accounts. He’s a solid enough Championship player.
The board obviously gave him a contract so they could cash in on him, but that’s not happened so they’ve had to settle with loaning him out. There are plenty of mid to lower Championship level teams he’d be good for, but apart from the handful of teams trying to get into the Prem, there isn’t much money in that league.
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Derby were interested in Pennington in Jan, and he had a good season at Ipswich, by all accounts. He’s a solid enough Championship player.
The board obviously gave him a contract so they could cash in on him, but that’s not happened so they’ve had to settle with loaning him out. There are plenty of mid to lower Championship level teams he’d be good for, but apart from the handful of teams trying to get into the Prem, there isn’t much money in that league.
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We don’t seem to understand that in some cases nothing is the better value. With Pennington there was no value to protect
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Pennington will make a decent career for himself in the football league, he'll probably be another still at Everton in his late 20s getting loaned out, garbutt, Galloway, tarashaj etc
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Pennington will make a decent career for himself in the football league, he'll probably be another still at Everton in his late 20s getting loaned out, garbutt, Galloway, tarashaj etc
I’d question the word ‘decent.’ He’ll have a career no doubt but jumping from one team/manager/style to the next in your key years and not progressing ability wise means he’s probably missed the boat when it comes to kicking on and fulfilling what potential he had.
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The previous route of binning off fringe players to the Championship seems to have dried up in recent years. I suppose why would a club buy someone like Pennington when you can loan him and not take on that financial burden of a long term contract? Every PL club will have a dozen decent players not getting a game - almost a victim of their own success, with these bloated squads. The market of teams to sell on to, is seemingly shrinking as the PL money train rolls ever onwards!
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The previous route of binning off fringe players to the Championship seems to have dried up in recent years. I suppose why would a club buy someone like Pennington when you can loan him and not take on that financial burden of a long term contract? Every PL club will have a dozen decent players not getting a game - almost a victim of their own success, with these bloated squads. The market of teams to sell on to, is seemingly shrinking as the PL money train rolls ever onwards!
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Don’t disagree but why then do we give new contracts to the likes of him and mirallas when there’s no value to protect. Just let them go on frees
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Don't disagree but why then do we give new contracts to the likes of him and mirallas when there's no value to protect. Just let them go on frees
It was the previous regime wasn’t it, let’s hope those days are a distant past and once we get all the shit out and completely clear the decks then we can have a much clearer sight of where we are gonna. At the moment we can’t see the forest for the trees but it won’t always be like that.
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Don’t disagree but why then do we give new contracts to the likes of him and mirallas when there’s no value to protect. Just let them go on frees
A misguided notion that a few quid in transfer fees outweighs the salary commitments. The third way, which we seem to fall into unfortunately, is get stuck with the commitments and no hope of a fee to get rid of them.
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The previous route of binning off fringe players to the Championship seems to have dried up in recent years. I suppose why would a club buy someone like Pennington when you can loan him and not take on that financial burden of a long term contract? Every PL club will have a dozen decent players not getting a game - almost a victim of their own success, with these bloated squads. The market of teams to sell on to, is seemingly shrinking as the PL money train rolls ever onwards!
Well, if they believe the player will improve they would lose out.
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we will get small loan fees when loaning these players out too, for the likes of bolasie, besic & mirallas anyway
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we will get small loan fees when loaning these players out too, for the likes of bolasie, besic & mirallas anyway
Think it’s more likely we are still covering wages for bolasie and mirallas than getting a fee when we loan them
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https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1138083403390234625
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">👌 | That footwork and finish from @AnthonyGordon59 (https://twitter.com/AnthonyGordon59?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) at Mansfield Town last night... 🎯👏 pic.twitter.com/obyGc22mdN (https://t.co/obyGc22mdN)</p>— Everton (@Everton) August 28, 2019 (https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1166603187157159936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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LIVE: UNDER-23S FACE BLACKBURN23.
Our reigning Premier League 2 champions are in action on Monday night when David Unsworth and his Under-23s welcome Blackburn Rovers to L4 (kick-off 7pm).
The young Blues signed off for the recent international break by putting eight goals past Southampton and will be looking to extend their unbeaten start to the campaign.
Season Ticket, Lounge and Official Members will be able to gain access to the Upper Bullens stand for FREE simply by showing their season or membership card on the turnstile.
Those who can't make it to Goodison won't miss out - we'll be streaming the game LIVE to Blues across the globe right here.
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Charsley and Evans still starting games, unbelievable.
I find it very odd that Brands is seemingly disinterested in the U23s or the academy. Thought there would’ve been a root and branch overhaul by now. Maybe our hands are somewhat tied by the ban, or he’s just had a lot on his plate, sorting out the first team.
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Charsley and Evans still starting games, unbelievable.
I find it very odd that Brands is seemingly disinterested in the U23s or the academy. Thought there would’ve been a root and branch overhaul by now. Maybe our hands are somewhat tied by the ban, or he’s just had a lot on his plate, sorting out the first team.
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He attends fairly regularly I believe, but I am finding it hard to believe there aren't sweeping changes coming.
We just don't produce prem players, and we desperately need to. Feels like some improvement in regards to loans this year, but there's players that should be playing mens football like. I've no idea whatsoever why players we've released are starting over players on our books.
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He didn’t bother with it in the first year because there was so much to do regarding the first team and setting up scouting networks.
I’m sure there’s work in progress and we’ll see changes soon.
I reckon the biggest issue is sorting out decent loans for these players.
I see Virginia has been dropped at reading so that’s a year wasted for him. This happens too much and the players start going backwards.
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Should do a mini salzburg / leipzig model imo.
Worked wonders for Chelsea as well with their relationship with vitesse.
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He attends fairly regularly I believe, but I am finding it hard to believe there aren't sweeping changes coming.
We just don't produce prem players, and we desperately need to.
Do you think in terms of youth players breaking through and being prem league standard is down to 'producing' or its more important the actual finding. I mean if you look at chelsea now for example or man utds 'kids' was it something that they did in nurturing and developing those players or just a case of having the best scouting and the most attractive propositions for the best young talent. Id imagine it is the latter but I genuinely dont know how important the setup is for development.
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Chelsea aren't a great example, they loan out about 25 young players a year, very few if any ever make it at the club. When Abramovich hired Frank Arnesen he was seen as the man to bring on the young players, something like £60m later not one academy player had turned out for the first team. Josh McEachren was the first player since John Terry about 10-12 years earlier to come through academy and he hasn't exactly gone on to great things.
It took Chelsea years to get a decent structure in place after their take over, it will quite probably take us the same.
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Do you think in terms of youth players breaking through and being prem league standard is down to 'producing' or its more important the actual finding. I mean if you look at chelsea now for example or man utds 'kids' was it something that they did in nurturing and developing those players or just a case of having the best scouting and the most attractive propositions for the best young talent. Id imagine it is the latter but I genuinely dont know how important the setup is for development.
Errr I think it's a mix of
Good scouting and identification (RBL)
Good catchment area (PSG)
Good 'use of the rules' shall we say (City, Us)
Good coaching throughout the age groups (Chelsea, City, RBL,)
Good pathways into first team football, here or elsewhere from as early as possible (Chelsea, RBL)
Probably lots more but for me the most important thing is coaching and pathways. The most talented player in the world for their age group will wilt if they aren't coached correctly, and if they don't get mens football (w good coaching at an appropriate level) as soon as possible.
Re Chelsea : they've not got many into the first team but they run it as a business, get them a pathway into first team togger on the continent or in the championship then sell. Arguably the best academy in the Premier league to be honest.
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Gordon netted again yesterday; his current form deserves a first team squad call up for League Cup on Tuesday
And Simms opened his U23 goalscoring account last week
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Are we still playing players due to be released by the club?
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Are we still playing players due to be released by the club?
No, they've been released and we're still playing them.
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No, they've been released and we're still playing them.
Understand that we want to provide these lads with the opportunity of a career in the lower leagues but come on, they’ve had their opportunity.
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Unsworth needs to go.
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Unsworth needs to go.
Why?
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Why?
He picks a team to win, not to develop.
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Chelsea aren't a great example, they loan out about 25 young players a year, very few if any ever make it at the club. When Abramovich hired Frank Arnesen he was seen as the man to bring on the young players, something like £60m later not one academy player had turned out for the first team. Josh McEachren was the first player since John Terry about 10-12 years earlier to come through academy and he hasn't exactly gone on to great things.
It took Chelsea years to get a decent structure in place after their take over, it will quite probably take us the same.
I think Chelsea's model is decent, it's just not utilised correctly.
They produce good players, their loan system works well, they make a lot of money but the final piece of the jigsaw is the short termism of their managerial appointments. There is no incentive for managers to take a chance on young players when they know they'll be binned off if immediate results aren't forthcoming. They might have stumbled upon a way forward with Lampard and the current transfer ban but it remains to be see if they have any more patience once that washes through.
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He picks a team to win, not to develop.
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This. He tends to pick older players who should be out on loan (or released, in some cases) because he knows can win that way.
It stunts the development of those players AND our most talented U18s, who should be turning out regularly for the U23s because they'll learn more at that level.
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Evans and Simms on target
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Anthony Gordon taking the absolute Micheal
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1177703776511287296?s=19
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Anthony Gordon taking the absolute Micheal
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1177703776511287296?s=19
If he doesn’t make it I’ll eat my own wang
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Anthony Gordon taking the absolute Micheal
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1177703776511287296?s=19
Got everything this lad already ...needs a few games in the full squad .
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He had much more time and space than the would in the PL. And what happens when he doesn't score a couple of goals in his first few matches? Fans will start telling how he will never make it.
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We don't need to rush him into the first team, we just need to make sure there's a reasonable pathway to mens football, eventually leading to first team footy at Everton.
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We don't need to rush him into the first team, we just need to make sure there's a reasonable pathway to mens football, eventually leading to first team footy at Everton.
Yeah he's cracked U23 level now, he needs a loan to a League 1 club.
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Good win against Burton tonight
Means fuck all like but hey
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Tried watching it but was on baba duty and stuff an all.
Adeniran looked good again I think. Quite high on him on the sly. Markelo energetic but lacking a bit of quality at times.
Gordon didn't impress me as much as I was hoping. Obviously has ability but drifted in and out and didn't turn the screw, don't know how much of that is tactics or whatever. Reminds me a lot of Ross Barkley at 17/18 to be honest, but built more like dowell.
Simms...yeah, I'm not sure to be honest. Very 'raw' on the ball, but managed to bag another goal (that I missed tbh).
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Big Dennis is training with the first team apparently
I'll stand by my simms shout of getting nowhere near the first teamTried watching it but was on baba duty and stuff an all.
Adeniran looked good again I think. Quite high on him on the sly. Markelo energetic but lacking a bit of quality at times.
Gordon didn't impress me as much as I was hoping. Obviously has ability but drifted in and out and didn't turn the screw, don't know how much of that is tactics or whatever. Reminds me a lot of Ross Barkley at 17/18 to be honest, but built more like dowell.
Simms...yeah, I'm not sure to be honest. Very 'raw' on the ball, but managed to bag another goal (that I missed tbh).
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Big Dennis is training with the first team apparently
I'll stand by my simms shout of getting nowhere near the first team
Yeah heard that before. Think he needs a loan myself, Dirty Den.
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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/16-year-old-everton-striker-17019282
New name for the foaming screaming mass to pin their hopes on
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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/16-year-old-everton-striker-17019282
New name for the foaming screaming mass to pin their hopes on
He can’t wait to gallop in front of the Paddock.
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Smashed 6-1 In the u18 mini derby today.
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Just seen former Everton youth player Calum Dyson has had to retire at 23 due to ankle injury
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50070022
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Why is it that we haven’t tied down Lewis Gibson to a long term contract talk of him rejoining Newcastle in January on a free we paid £6 million for him three years ago he looks promising to me a bit light but good on the ball
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I'd be amazed if its 6m up front but agree with the rest
Why is it that we haven't tied down Lewis Gibson to a long term contract talk of him rejoining Newcastle in January on a free we paid £6 million for him three years ago he looks promising to me a bit light but good on the ball
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Against Derby last night:
Simms scores (scorching solo effort)
Gordon off injured (superb until then)
Lost 1-4 (season's first defeat)
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Simms for the 1st team? No goals in us at the moment would him coming on raise the fans and players?
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Simms for the 1st team? No goals in us at the moment would him coming on raise the fans and players?
It would be totally wrong to throw him into that toxic atmosphere at the moment we already have two young strikers struggling for chances no need to put him in the mix
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Kean for the U23's?
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4 4 2 Kean and simms up top. Nothing to loose?
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He’s miles off.
Only just started bagging for the under 23s.
Next step should be a loan to a league one side.
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How many miles off is Kean?
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Whoops. Wrong thread.
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Lose
It's fucking lose4 4 2 Kean and simms up top. Nothing to loose?
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How many miles off is Kean?
Kean has played for Italy and Juventus. Don't think Simms is yet up to that.
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Kean plays for Everton; Simms is up to that
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I think the fact even Kean with that experience isn't there yet suggests Simms is farther away.
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Give Kean a couple of games in the U23's and we should find out
Sandro had more experience than Kean and he's still not there yet....................
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Reports young Beni wants to leave for first team football.
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At 21, dead right
Make a bid, Preston North End
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Simms for Kean?
Some shout that
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Simms for Kean?
Some shout that
The best was drop Kean into the u23's and then we'd 'find out'. Haha, come again?
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Yeah! You missed the point!!
Funny, that!!!
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Yeah! You missed the point!!
Funny, that!!!
Apologies I have to admit I tuned out of the convo but your post stood out, I didn't check the context behind it etc. so if I've misread genuinely apologise.
The whole convo seemed beyond daft to me.
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Another lamb to the slaughter - Brilliant
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fast-track-development-exciting-17177441?fbclid=IwAR2_sx6cj4izTtck77j665cF3k6ZLlhu7ETaDJouXbryVOPFsv5YzPF7Y3M
Interesting him saying that he will replace Beni who will likely be first team
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Reads more like he hopes Beni will be in the first team and if Silva doesn't fancy him it will be elsewhere
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Derby day, today
COYB!
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Lost 2-1, their winner from H Kane
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Guy in work knows someone on the staff at the club. Don't get much but did get this in work;
Brands is struggling to implement the changes he wants to make with regards to the Academy and the coaching staff therein. Unsworth and Waldron are being protected by BK and DBB. Sounds like a real fucking mess.
Still, maybe we'll win another PL2 title...
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Guy in work knows someone on the staff at the club. Don't get much but did get this in work;
Brands is struggling to implement the changes he wants to make with regards to the Academy and the coaching staff therein. Unsworth and Waldron are being protected by BK and DBB. Sounds like a real fucking mess.
Still, maybe we'll win another PL2 title...
Fucks sake. Where’s this from?
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Lost on pens tonight BTW
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Guy in work knows someone on the staff at the club. Don't get much but did get this in work;
Brands is struggling to implement the changes he wants to make with regards to the Academy and the coaching staff therein. Unsworth and Waldron are being protected by BK and DBB. Sounds like a real fucking mess.
Still, maybe we'll win another PL2 title...
I've got a fair amount of time for BK but if that's true then he should do one, his involvement with us has resulted in our biggest trophy drought ever, so he should stick to be a PR toy we wheel out as and when and leave football decisions to football people
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Lost on pens tonight BTW
Prince Oumar scored 2 though
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If true that Brands can't implement changes, can't see him staying
I was at the EitC 5k run and Brands (with Big Dunc and Big Joe) appears to love the club
Signs of frustration, though?
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Guy in work knows someone on the staff at the club. Don't get much but did get this in work;
Brands is struggling to implement the changes he wants to make with regards to the Academy and the coaching staff therein. Unsworth and Waldron are being protected by BK and DBB. Sounds like a real fucking mess.
Still, maybe we'll win another PL2 title...
Grim if true.
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I've no reason to doubt him; sums us up, if true.
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I've no reason to doubt him; sums us up, if true.
Young buck v dinosaurs power struggle
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I could see it being true certainly. Very grim as usual, the club refuses to move with the times.
Part of the problem of hiring within is the same old power structures remain and you don't have the fresh ideas and perspectives. Dbb apparently the best possible hire for the job, okie doke.
Niasse played 90 minutes. 32% posession. 442. Seeya unsworth.
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Brands is Moshiri’s man and Mosh is the major shareholder. Brands remit is the entire footballing side of the club, from top to bottom. He will have final say on the academy and if he gets blocked by the old guard, he’ll just grass them up to Moshiri.
Side note: DBB is a kopite and how she went from managing a charity to our CEO, I’ll never know.
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Moshiri is behind Brands apparently so I cannot see why he just doesn't assert his power. Club is a mess apparently. Apologies if bollocks, these types of things usually come around when struggling.
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Moshiri is behind Brands apparently so I cannot see why he just doesn't assert his power. Club is a mess apparently. Apologies if bollocks, these types of things usually come around when struggling.
It makes sense; the off-field structure of the club is as disjointed as the playing side.
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Yep - we're the toxic toffees, alright
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Moshiri is behind Brands apparently so I cannot see why he just doesn't assert his power. Club is a mess apparently. Apologies if bollocks, these types of things usually come around when struggling.
Don’t see any reason why what you’re saying wouldn’t be true unfortunately.
Need to get the old guard gone and give brands 100% control over everything otherwise what’s the point?
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Side note: DBB is a kopite and how she went from managing a charity to our CEO, I’ll never know.
You got proof about her being a Kopite?
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You got proof about her being a Kopite?
Does anyone care who she supports anyway? Owen rush and and fowler were all blues apparently. Bet Liverpool were gutted getting stuck with them
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Moshiri is behind Brands apparently so I cannot see why he just doesn't assert his power. Club is a mess apparently. Apologies if bollocks, these types of things usually come around when struggling.
...........I would have thought Moshiri can do whatever he wants given his majority stake. Kenwright only has 5%.
At board level he has Brands and Ryazantsev in his pocket and why would DBB go against her employer ?
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Does anyone care who she supports anyway? Owen rush and and fowler were all blues apparently. Bet Liverpool were gutted getting stuck with them
I do
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Them: Peter Moore (born 1955) is a British/American business executive best known for his former positions as Senior VP of Global Sports Marketing at Reebok, President of Sega of America, and Corporate Vice-President of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division, overseeing the Xbox and Xbox 360 game consoles. From 2007 to 2011 he was head of Electronic Arts' EA Sports game division. In 2012 he was appointed COO of Electronic Arts. He resigned from Electronic Arts in February 2017 to become CEO of Liverpool Football Club.
Oh, and he’s a Liverpool fan.
Us: Before venturing into the third sector and world of sport, Denise spent 16 years working in education and fulfilled a variety of academic and leadership roles within Higher Education.
Denise arrived at the Club in January 2010 to develop and lead a transformation strategy for Everton in the Community. Due to the success of this venture, Denise became the Club’s Chief Operating Officer in October 2011, before being promoted to Deputy Chief Executive in June 2013. In that role, Denise played an integral part in improving the matchday experience for supporters, in turn helping to increase attendances and enhance Everton’s reputation both nationally and abroad. She was appointed to the Club's Board of Directors in July 2016 and then named CEO in June 2018 following the departure of Robert Elstone.
Notice the difference? It all starts from the top.
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I do
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...............if she's a kopite she hides it well. I saw her presentation at the last but one AGM and she came over as a true blue. Even made disparaging remarks about our noisy neighbours when talking about the Goodison legacy.
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Them: Peter Moore (born 1955) is a British/American business executive best known for his former positions as Senior VP of Global Sports Marketing at Reebok, President of Sega of America, and Corporate Vice-President of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division, overseeing the Xbox and Xbox 360 game consoles. From 2007 to 2011 he was head of Electronic Arts' EA Sports game division. In 2012 he was appointed COO of Electronic Arts. He resigned from Electronic Arts in February 2017 to become CEO of Liverpool Football Club.
Oh, and he’s a Liverpool fan.
Us: Before venturing into the third sector and world of sport, Denise spent 16 years working in education and fulfilled a variety of academic and leadership roles within Higher Education.
Denise arrived at the Club in January 2010 to develop and lead a transformation strategy for Everton in the Community. Due to the success of this venture, Denise became the Club’s Chief Operating Officer in October 2011, before being promoted to Deputy Chief Executive in June 2013. In that role, Denise played an integral part in improving the matchday experience for supporters, in turn helping to increase attendances and enhance Everton’s reputation both nationally and abroad. She was appointed to the Club's Board of Directors in July 2016 and then named CEO in June 2018 following the departure of Robert Elstone.
Notice the difference? It all starts from the top.
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I don't see how that proves she's a kopite.
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Them: Peter Moore (born 1955) is a British/American business executive best known for his former positions as Senior VP of Global Sports Marketing at Reebok, President of Sega of America, and Corporate Vice-President of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division, overseeing the Xbox and Xbox 360 game consoles. From 2007 to 2011 he was head of Electronic Arts' EA Sports game division. In 2012 he was appointed COO of Electronic Arts. He resigned from Electronic Arts in February 2017 to become CEO of Liverpool Football Club.
Oh, and he’s a Liverpool fan.
Us: Before venturing into the third sector and world of sport, Denise spent 16 years working in education and fulfilled a variety of academic and leadership roles within Higher Education.
Denise arrived at the Club in January 2010 to develop and lead a transformation strategy for Everton in the Community. Due to the success of this venture, Denise became the Club’s Chief Operating Officer in October 2011, before being promoted to Deputy Chief Executive in June 2013. In that role, Denise played an integral part in improving the matchday experience for supporters, in turn helping to increase attendances and enhance Everton’s reputation both nationally and abroad. She was appointed to the Club's Board of Directors in July 2016 and then named CEO in June 2018 following the departure of Robert Elstone.
Notice the difference? It all starts from the top.
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I got roundly boo'd at the time for suggesting that maybe the best possible person for the job is not Denise from down the hall.
But frankly - I don't even support Liverpool and I know what their head honchos do. Moore is the business, Edwards is recruitment, Klopp is coach and media face.
What do ours do? How come the best possible head of stadium development happened to be the man running finch farm, Colin chong? How come the best possible head of commercial happened to be running our UNDER PERFORMING commercial partnerships?
Club always does this, insular parochial little gang that refuses to face the future. Has been this way since Moores in the 60s oddly enough.
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...........I would have thought Moshiri can do whatever he wants given his majority stake. Kenwright only has 5%.
At board level he has Brands and Ryazantsev in his pocket and why would DBB go against her employer ?
You would think so, wouldn't you? Especially if this disenfranchises Brands to the point of walking. I just cannot fathom why he wouldn't be given free reign.
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Here we fucking go ::)
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Gordon scoring again
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3 out of 3. Into the elite rounds 😁✌🏼 https://t.co/xNbS29dAau (https://t.co/xNbS29dAau)</p>— Anthony Gordon (@anthonygordon59) November 19, 2019 (https://twitter.com/anthonygordon59/status/1196798403495284736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🏴 Great goal by @anthonygordon59 (https://twitter.com/anthonygordon59?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) for England U19’s today in their 5-0 win against Macedonia U19’s pic.twitter.com/lpJdFW3p5g (https://t.co/lpJdFW3p5g)</p>— The Toffee Blues (@EvertonNewsFeed) November 16, 2019 (https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1195741608739852290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Ready for Norwich
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🏴 Great goal by @anthonygordon59 (https://twitter.com/anthonygordon59?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) for England U19’s today in their 5-0 win against Macedonia U19’s pic.twitter.com/lpJdFW3p5g (https://t.co/lpJdFW3p5g)</p>— The Toffee Blues (@EvertonNewsFeed) November 16, 2019 (https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1195741608739852290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
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That was a howitzer!
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Ready for Norwich
Certain he’ll get some game time before the year’s out.
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Getting beat 4-0 at home to Fleetwood.
Niasse started.
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Getting beat 4-0 at home to Fleetwood.
Niasse started.
We need the women to play more games, at least they appear to be doing well
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We had a chance to play Simms against grown men, instead of the usual kids he plays against in the U23s league, and we play Niasse. Absolutely clueless, a prime example of why the pathway for young players is fucked.
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Or Simms ain't all that
We had a chance to play Simms against grown men, instead of the usual kids he plays against in the U23s league, and we play Niasse. Absolutely clueless, a prime example of why the pathway for young players is fucked.
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Or Simms ain't all that
We’ll never find out unless he’s tested and challenged.
What’s there to lose...apart from the Leasing.com cup 
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Or Simms ain't all that
Maybe not.
But the point of the U23s isn't to win, it's to build players that contribute to the Everton first team. Playing Niasse, who isn't (and shouldn't be) in the first team picture, contributes nothing to the cause.
Brands needs the autonomy to sack Unsworth and rebuild the academy system. His expertise matters. This is a thing that Dutch clubs tend to do better than English clubs.
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Maybe not.
But the point of the U23s isn't to win, it's to build players that contribute to the Everton first team. Playing Niasse, who isn't (and shouldn't be) in the first team picture, contributes nothing to the cause.
Brands needs the autonomy to sack Unsworth and rebuild the academy system. His expertise matters. This is a thing that Dutch clubs tend to do better than English clubs.
Or they're keeping him fit in the hope of bring able to move him on in Jan and save the club a huge amount in wages by getting him off the books?
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Or they're keeping him fit in the hope of bring able to move him on in Jan and save the club a huge amount in wages by getting him off the books?
what has niasse got left on his contract , Martinez bought him, surely he must be in his final yr, not going to save much in wages now, and everyone in the Prem- Championship know he is shite.
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Simms has struggled this season from what I've read and this would have been the best team they've played against.
However, agree with everyone else's sentiment that the pathway to senior football is fucked and the u23s seem to be treated like a vanity project for Usworth
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Or they're keeping him fit in the hope of bring able to move him on in Jan and save the club a huge amount in wages by getting him off the books?
The club were willing to let him go on a free or a fee-free loan, with us paying some of his wages...but there were no takers. Keeping him fit won’t help get rid of him. For reference, Evans also played and he’s got no future here and we won’t get a fee for him.
Pretty sure Niasse’s contract runs out in the summer.
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The club were willing to let him go on a free or a fee-free loan, with us paying some of his wages...but there were no takers. Keeping him fit won’t help get rid of him. For reference, Evans also played and he’s got no future here and we won’t get a fee for him.
Pretty sure Niasse’s contract runs out in the summer.
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If we can get rid in Jan it saves 6 months wages, and there'll be teams desperate for a free player in Jan. It doesn't make a lot of sense to have a player on high wages with zero chance of getting them off the books in Jan... I'd say doing that would be extremely poor business.
Keep him fit, hope to get him off the books in Jan and save 6 months wages... Makes perfect sense to me
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If we can get rid in Jan it saves 6 months wages, and there'll be teams desperate for a free player in Jan. It doesn't make a lot of sense to have a player on high wages with zero chance of getting them off the books in Jan... I'd say doing that would be extremely poor business.
Keep him fit, hope to get him off the books in Jan and save 6 months wages... Makes perfect sense to me
Getting rid of him makes sense but him playing for the u21s every 6 weeks isn’t going to keep him fit. He was fully fit after pre-season an no-one wanted him.
Anyway, he’ll soon be gone. Think that’s him and Martina, Baines and a couple of others that’ll be gone by the summer.
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Getting rid of him makes sense but him playing for the u21s every 6 weeks isn’t going to keep him fit. He was fully fit after pre-season an no-one wanted him.
Anyway, he’ll soon be gone. Think that’s him and Martina, Baines and a couple of others that’ll be gone by the summer.
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Baines. :'(
I hope he stays involved with the club in some capacity.
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Baines. :'(
I hope he stays involved with the club in some capacity.
Don't think he will personally.
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Two goals for Simms tonight in 3-2 win against Wolves
Gordon did not play - probably be substitute for first team on Wednesday?
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Looks like the academy restructure has movement. Baxter touting himself on LinkedIn
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I think we need an overhaul. Maybe Moshiri should copy the owner of Krasnador who literally spent a fuck ton on the academy so we can turn ours into a Ajax or Bilbao assembly line.
Heres a coach who got access all areas for 2 weeks at Bilbaos academy. It's a great video about youth development.
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There are big changes coming to the academy in the summer, psv have one of the best production lines in Europe and the man responsible is now holding the reigns of ours.
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There are big changes coming to the academy in the summer, psv have one of the best production lines in Europe and the man responsible is now holding the reigns of ours.
Really hope so. Something not right with how it’s going at the minute. Overaged players with no future at the club taking minutes off of youngsters, unable to make decisions on highly rated graduates like dowell and Pennington to the point where we get stuck with players we could have potentially once have gotten decent fees for. I voted for unsworth to be our manager a couple of years ago. Now though I think he’s very much part of the problem. His teams win at the expense of actually developing our youngsters. Though I’m not even sure they are even winning that much anymore. Heard about big changes for a while now but so far nothing has happened. Personally I’d like it to start with unsworth being moved on
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There was the bizarre line in the independent article about silva :
"Many figures similarly cite the appointment of Chris Perkins as head of academy recruitment as “one of the most sensible things they’ve done in years”.
Chris perkins was and still is the academy head of recruitment at Derby. A few weeks before that article I had heard we were having a shake up and Brands was installing this perkins as his man, and removing a few of the old guard.
Nothing confirmed by Everton yet and perkins is still at Derby, mayve an open secret or contracts are sorted and just need to announce in the summer I don't know.
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One day.
https://www.redbullsalzburg.at/en/fc-red-bull-salzburg/news/saison_2019_20/enter-the-next-level.html
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One day.
https://www.redbullsalzburg.at/en/fc-red-bull-salzburg/news/saison_2019_20/enter-the-next-level.html
Footballers really are a privileged lot these days.
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One day.
https://www.redbullsalzburg.at/en/fc-red-bull-salzburg/news/saison_2019_20/enter-the-next-level.html
So basically Finch Farm then???
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So basically Finch Farm then???
All the gear, no idea
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Article in the echo about the new lad, and the poor pathways in place for youth players.
Goes into detail about Gibson also and how he's the only member of the u17 England squad yet to play men's football.
Sounds like hes got his head screwed on as well the lad : 'The 19-year-old, it is understood, wants to see a structure, based around loan deals, that would allow him the opportunity to be in-and-around Carlo Ancelotti's senior squad for the start of the 2021/22 season.'
Fair play to him, if we can't offer him that we should let him go. Can't give him the feeney treatment.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jarrad-branthwaite-lewis-gibson-everton-17574756.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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Criminal that these lads trying to make a career as a professional footballer have been kept playing kids footy when they could have easily gone out on loan and laid down some meaningful minutes.
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Not like we even get the loan process right.
Think Coleman was the last player we had that went out on loan to come back a first team player.
Liverpool have a loans manager. When Swansea approached them for Brewster he went down to Swansea for a few days to see if it was the right environment for the player.
What do we do when we send out our lads? Already this season we’ve had to cut short two loans because they’ve been a waste of time.
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Not like we even get the loan process right.
Think Coleman was the last player we had that went out on loan to come back a first team player.
Liverpool have a loans manager. When Swansea approached them for Brewster he went down to Swansea for a few days to see if it was the right environment for the player.
What do we do when we send out our lads? Already this season we’ve had to cut short two loans because they’ve been a waste of time.
Seem to just send em down the motorway to Bolton Blackpool or Fleetwood.
Loans manager is such a simple step and would immediately improve the club.
A relationship with an eredivisie side the same, or a smart champo club.
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Baxter is only 27. What?
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Truth is most youth players don’t make it and if you end up on loan then you’ve probably already failed.
Take Liverpool for example. Sterling and Alexander Arnold never needed a loan whereas the likes of Woodburn and soon to be Brewster will end up nowhere near the first team despite the hype.
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Truth is most youth players don’t make it and if you end up on loan then you’ve probably already failed.
Take Liverpool for example. Sterling and Alexander Arnold never needed a loan whereas the likes of Woodburn and soon to be Brewster will end up nowhere near the first team despite the hype.
There are demonstrably proven ways to increase your chances of generating either profit or a first team player, and one of the biggest is getting them minutes as soon as you can as often as you can.
Some players don't need a loan no, but part of that is how modern football is and how insanely powerful the prem is, you need to be an extremely powerful athlete to hold your own, most players even very good ones aren't that at 19.
Youth players make the balance sheet look a lot healthier as well as any sales are just profit profit profit.
Chelsea's business model for years has been to run the club at a crazy amount of loss, but make it up in player sales and the academy has been a huge part of that.
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Profits aside I think you also have a responsibility to the (young) footballer to make the right decisions on their behalf. Chelsea have stockpiled youngsters and farmed them out like pieces of meat on occasions but I’d hazard a guess that the majority make a real living out of the sport based in their loan experiences at the start of their career.
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Harry Charsley been released by Everton for the second time. Was given a 6 month deal as a favour after being injured in training .
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How long should we be keeping these lads around if they ain’t progressing to the first team feeney I feel like he has been around forever is Gordon the only one at the moment who can make the step up
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Playing tonight, bants straight in.
No onyango, Gibson, Gordon.
Anyone know if it's streamed anywhere?
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Playing tonight, bants straight in.
No onyango, Gibson, Gordon.
Anyone know if it's streamed anywhere?
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Pitch looks rough as fuck.
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Branthwaite debut?
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Yep, the 17 year old straight in alongside man of the match, Captain Morgan - rum roll..............
Feeney ought to go out on loan to Preston
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Branthwaite played in 2-2 draw against leaders Chelsea last night
Brands at the game
Is Hornby on track in Belgium?
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Branthwaite played in 2-2 draw against leaders Chelsea last night
Brands at the game
Is Hornby on track in Belgium?
He scored a couple of goals early on but has been on the bench, of late. Don’t think he’ll make it in the first team but we should get a bit of money for him.
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Heard Beni is back from injury. Would like to see him called back up to the first team.
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Heard Beni is back from injury. Would like to see him called back up to the first team.
Yeah I dunno about that.
He looked good in small doses about 2 years ago, but if he was anywhere near the level required for a Prem CM then he would have played more than 5 minutes since his debut, seen as we've been shite at CM in the first team for about 6 years.
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Branthwaite played in 2-2 draw against leaders Chelsea last night
Brands at the game
Is Hornby on track in Belgium?
I see what you did there. 👌🏼
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I see what you did there. 
Bollocks, missed this 
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Yeah I dunno about that.
He looked good in small doses about 2 years ago, but if he was anywhere near the level required for a Prem CM then he would have played more than 5 minutes since his debut, seen as we've been shite at CM in the first team for about 6 years.
He’s been pretty much plagued by injuries since. So no, you wouldn’t expect this at all.
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Not so much full steam ahead for Hornby
How's Sambou doing?
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Not so much full steam ahead for Hornby
.............do you think Hornby needs a better platform to show his talents ?
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Sambou, went to fortuna Sittard 9 apps no goals
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Sambou, went to fortuna Sittard 9 apps no goals
I've seen him score for them but it may have been a cup game.
Beni needs football, can't let him regress further. Get him somewhere and let him play week in week out.
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Reminder to self to not believe Wikipedia,. Yes he scored in Oct against Emmen & Feyennord.18 games 2 goals
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.............do you think Hornby needs a better platform to show his talents ?
He’s was on track for the first team but then got sent out on loan. I worry he might go off the rails if he doesn’t make it back.
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Evans, another one who needs to progress from U23 level
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Worth mentioned Beningime did go to Wigan and didn't manage to make an impact.
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We’ve got some many once highly rated young players who rot and fester stuck in our under aged teams. Something is clearly not working. Hoping for wholesale changes but fear we are stuck with unsworth for the long term
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We’ve got some many once highly rated young players who rot and fester stuck in our under aged teams. Something is clearly not working. Hoping for wholesale changes but fear we are stuck with unsworth for the long term
Yup, Unsworth is the common denominator.
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I'm not convinced on that theory, it's just an assumption.
It's a possibility that the players just not talented enough, which would fall at our scouting system.
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It's a difficult one with Unsworth, I think he's just doing his job which is to get results, which he's done a good job of. The direction of the youth set up needs to come from above and if he's not been given a blueprint to work with it's not really his fault if he's done things his way as a result.
Changes have to be made no doubt though, we need a blueprint that allows youth to prosper and also just slot in to the first team easily, which doesn't seem to be the case currently
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I'm not convinced on that theory, it's just an assumption.
It's a possibility that the players just not talented enough, which would fall at our scouting system.
But then are why are they still in our system. Dowell is 1 we could have gotten a decent fee for and yet he’s now spending 2 seasons showing he’s not good enough for even the championship.
We even offered a contract to that lad we got from Coventry (I think)
We just want to retain everyone
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But then are why are they still in our system. Dowell is 1 we could have gotten a decent fee for and yet he's now spending 2 seasons showing he's not good enough for even the championship.
We even offered a contract to that lad we got from Coventry (I think)
We just want to retain everyone
Yep, knowing when to sell is so important and we seem to have consistently got it wrong.
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Be interesting to see how our youth system compares with other teams in the premier league. I know we’re very critical of our setup, and I’m one of them, but I don’t actually take any notice of other teams bringing through kids from their youth setups.
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We’ve got some many once highly rated young players who rot and fester stuck in our under aged teams. Something is clearly not working. Hoping for wholesale changes but fear we are stuck with unsworth for the long term
At the risk of stating the obvious, Unsworth seems much too bothered about winning EPL2 or whatever the fuck it's called (playing Niasse), and not as bothered as he should be about producing players who might get in the first team, which should be about 98% of his remit.
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Does Unsworth have any say about which players are in his squad? Every transfer window he mentions players that are too good for U23 level and need to go out on loan or get into the first team. Feeney is an example, who he's been saying needs to move on to further his career yet he has never gone out. He's said the same about Anthony Evans, Markelo and others in the past. From the moment that they are in his squad what is he meant to do? Just ignore them? They are club assets and if you have any hope of having someone buy or loan them then they need to be playing somewhere in order for clubs to see them. Playing Niasse in the U23s was ridiculous but what if he's been told to play him because a scout from an interested club wants to have a look at him.
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It's a difficult one with Unsworth, I think he's just doing his job which is to get results, which he's done a good job of. The direction of the youth set up needs to come from above and if he's not been given a blueprint to work with it's not really his fault if he's done things his way as a result.
Changes have to be made no doubt though, we need a blueprint that allows youth to prosper and also just slot in to the first team easily, which doesn't seem to be the case currently
His job isn't to get results. His job is turn out players for first team progression or of a quality to sell on elsewhere. Then rinse and repeat. Playing Oumar Niasse to get a result so you progress up a nothing league should never be acceptable.
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His job isn't to get results. His job is turn out players for first team progression or of a quality to sell on elsewhere. Then rinse and repeat. Playing Oumar Niasse to get a result so you progress up a nothing league should never be acceptable.
Depends on his remit from the board, if they've told him to breed a winning mentality he's following orders... No one really knows what's been asked of him.
It defo needs an overhaul though, I think that's something everyone can agree on
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His job is what ever he is told to do, which nobody on here really knows
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He gets told to play out of contract players and Oumar Niasse then. Okay.
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His job is what ever he is told to do, which nobody on here really knows
Well we can make that argument for everyone at the club who isn’t doing what logic would suggest is required. Maybe silvas remit was to concede lots of goals from set plays. Maybe niasse was brought in to trip over footballs
Look if unsworths job isn’t primarily to produce players for the first team then the club is fucked. You kind of just have to assume that’s the job they want him to do because it’s logical
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Unsworth and his staff need to be fucked off in the summer.
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Not sure why some people have turned on Unsworth. He’s been the u23 manager for 5/6 years and we’ve had a lot of lads come through and get opportunities with the first team.
Off the top of my head I’d say there must have been at least a dozen in that time who’ve been given the opportunity to stake a claim with the first team squad it’s then up to the player to grasp it. Come next season we could easily have half a dozen players who’ve been coached by him in the u23’s in the first team squad, can’t think of many premier league clubs who’ll be able to say that.
What more do people expect?
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Well we can make that argument for everyone at the club who isn’t doing what logic would suggest is required. Maybe silvas remit was to concede lots of goals from set plays. Maybe niasse was brought in to trip over footballs
Look if unsworths job isn’t primarily to produce players for the first team then the club is fucked. You kind of just have to assume that’s the job they want him to do because it’s logical
I'd guess him playing Niasse wasn't anything to do with his wishes as a coach and more those above him telling him he had to....same reason Ancelotti bizarrely played him against Newcastle, to keep him fit and hopefully get rid of him this window.
The whole setup isn't what it needs to be, that much is clear, the rest is just guesswork either way really
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He gets told to play out of contract players and Oumar Niasse then. Okay.
Two words. Shop and Window
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I'd guess him playing Niasse wasn't anything to do with his wishes as a coach and more those above him telling him he had to....same reason Ancelotti bizarrely played him against Newcastle, to keep him fit and hopefully get rid of him this window.
The whole setup isn't what it needs to be, that much is clear, the rest is just guesswork either way really
I can’t imagine anyone’s told ancelotti he has to play niasse. To what end anyway. He’s genuinely so bad his stock goes down if we play him
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Two words. Shop and Window
It's the U23s though.
A shop window with the shutters down.
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Unsworth is taking the piss now.
He's put the mayor of Liverpool on the bench.
https://twitter.com/Adam_Jones94/status/1221861003639623680
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Seb Quirk is a super name.
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3-0 down after 20 mins, Cullen hat-trick for Swansea (he scored a hat-trick last week also).
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Unsworth is taking the piss now.
He's put the mayor of Liverpool on the bench.
https://twitter.com/Adam_Jones94/status/1221861003639623680
really excited about Dobbin.
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Not sure why some people have turned on Unsworth. He’s been the u23 manager for 5/6 years and we’ve had a lot of lads come through and get opportunities with the first team.
Off the top of my head I’d say there must have been at least a dozen in that time who’ve been given the opportunity to stake a claim with the first team squad it’s then up to the player to grasp it. Come next season we could easily have half a dozen players who’ve been coached by him in the u23’s in the first team squad, can’t think of many premier league clubs who’ll be able to say that.
What more do people expect?
People expect either first team players to come through the system or for us to be able to sell some our youngsters for reasonable money. All we seem to do is hand deals to people like Garbutt, Pennington etc who're never going to make it here and we're not going to get any money for them.
Davies, Holgate and DCL are the three obvious ones that have come through at the moment, Barkley further back but I can't think of too many that have been given a genuine chance on merit (and I don't mean a dead rubber in the Europa League) who have either pushed for a first team place or been sold and are now playing at a decent level, there's a big difference between that and getting a token run out because it's a meaningless game, Gethin Jones for example played in Europe for us, he's currently plying his trade in League Two at Carlisle on a short term deal.
We shouldn't be having players like Niasse, Martina and Harry Charsley near the U23's, no matter how few games they've played, all three have no future (in Charsley's case he's gone now anyway) so shouldn't be taking the place of young players development.
There might be a few knocking on the door next year, but even this season, we've players like Gordon getting on the park but that's only because of our injuries. We've had lots of players that have been highly rated over the years but never make it to the first team and never make it at a decent level after leaving, so they're either overhyped and not good enough in the first place or poorly developed and not moving up to the next level. Something needs to change though, plenty other clubs have good academies and are either getting players into the first team, or moving them on for decent money. No one's arsed about winning Premier League 2, even less so if none of those players are moving up to the first team or moving on for money.
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People expect either first team players to come through the system or for us to be able to sell some our youngsters for reasonable money. All we seem to do is hand deals to people like Garbutt, Pennington etc who're never going to make it here and we're not going to get any money for them.
Davies, Holgate and DCL are the three obvious ones that have come through at the moment, Barkley further back but I can't think of too many that have been given a genuine chance on merit (and I don't mean a dead rubber in the Europa League) who have either pushed for a first team place or been sold and are now playing at a decent level, there's a big difference between that and getting a token run out because it's a meaningless game, Gethin Jones for example played in Europe for us, he's currently plying his trade in League Two at Carlisle on a short term deal.
We shouldn't be having players like Niasse, Martina and Harry Charsley near the U23's, no matter how few games they've played, all three have no future (in Charsley's case he's gone now anyway) so shouldn't be taking the place of young players development.
There might be a few knocking on the door next year, but even this season, we've players like Gordon getting on the park but that's only because of our injuries. We've had lots of players that have been highly rated over the years but never make it to the first team and never make it at a decent level after leaving, so they're either overhyped and not good enough in the first place or poorly developed and not moving up to the next level. Something needs to change though, plenty other clubs have good academies and are either getting players into the first team, or moving them on for decent money. No one's arsed about winning Premier League 2, even less so if none of those players are moving up to the first team or moving on for money.
Holgate and DCL didn't play 20 games between them for the u23s did they after we signed them? Hardly like they came through that route and Davies is pretty shit
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I think we need an overhaul. Maybe Moshiri should copy the owner of Krasnador who literally spent a fuck ton on the academy so we can turn ours into a Ajax or Bilbao assembly line.
Heres a coach who got access all areas for 2 weeks at Bilbaos academy. It's a great video about youth development.
lolol
"Athletic Bilbo!"
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Hahahaa!
lolol
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I agree with those who say that players like Niasse should not be impeding youngsters development in the U23's.
The only reason I can conceive of is that as the U23 is ultimately there to service the 1st team - that when 1st team players are dropped, it is the preference of the management that they are played, so that when they are recalled to the 1st team - they're not too rusty or unfit.
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Holgate and DCL didn't play 20 games between them for the u23s did they after we signed them? Hardly like they came through that route and Davies is pretty shit
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No, they probably didn't and I don't think Unsworth can take great credit for developing them but they were bought as academy players and proved that they were better than that pretty quickly.
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There's no real debate as to whether the U23s' main remit is to provide first team players for the club (or players to sell at a profit). It definitely, 100% is. We don't need to hear what Unsworth's been told. If he doesn't realise it, without being told it, he's in the wrong job.
The EPL2 couldn't possibly be less significant. I'd swap 10 of them in a row, for one established first team player of quality that the youth team produces.
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Can’t put all the blame on Unsworth.
The players to come from the under 23s haven’t been managed right by the club when they’ve made the step up.
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https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1222134362893881345?s=21
Gibson to sign new deal and hoping to get a loan move before the deadline.
Good of these young lads pushing for a pathway to the first team. The loan market is something we need to be utilising much more effectively.
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Hope he enjoys the sights of Wigan.
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getting bummed again- 4-1, think 6 cb are playing
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Bloody hell, Daz & Snods.
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Both goals were good but Simms was a particularly good striker's finish
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Watched about an hour of it.
Hooooof.
Push and run, push and run.
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Another late winner from man of the match Simms last night
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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/marcel-brands-changes-david-unsworths-17818750
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Beat Reading 2-1 and through to quarter finals of Premier Cup
Simms on target again
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Any defensive mids near good enough in there ?
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Adeniran, stand out midfielder - scored our second goal, as well
Just turned 21, worth a first team call up
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That Gilmour lad in the Chelsea team today makes a mockery of our supposed “Golden Generation”.
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That Gilmour lad in the Chelsea team today makes a mockery of our supposed “Golden Generation”.
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Dowell doesn’t look like a particularly good championship player. JJK won’t make it here either. Lookman is sat on the bench in Germany. Were the others Holgate and DCL?? We don’t actually produce quality young players. Luckily we bought a couple
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Dowell doesn't look like a particularly good championship player. JJK won't make it here either. Lookman is sat on the bench in Germany. Were the others Holgate and DCL?? We don't actually produce quality young players. Luckily we bought a couple
Lookman, DCL and Holgate didn't come through our ranks, it's been shit for years. Have we actually bought anyone through of substance since Rooney?
The most successful one in recent years is probably Lundstram and I'm not really how he's ended up where he has as he's had about 100 clubs
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Lookman, DCL and Holgate didn't come through our ranks, it's been shit for years. Have we actually bought anyone through of substance since Rooney?
The most successful one in recent years is probably Lundstram and I'm not really how he's ended up where he has as he's had about 100 clubs
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Barkley?
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Foulds let go, a few others too including Denny and Mampala.
Con Ouz given one year extension.
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We have apparently launched an international academy affiliate programme in the states and oz.
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Be good if you posted links to these stories @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) :)
https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1672499/everton-launches-international-academy-affiliate-programme
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Is that just a fancy name for feeder clubs then?
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1278265639719895041
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1278262101002407938
Link doesn’t work mate
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Fraser Hornby has signed for Reims.
https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1704176/hornby-leaves-everton-for-reims
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Good business, delighted for the player too. They're a smart club who believe in these kinds of deals. They'll be backing themselves to sell him back to England in a few years.
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Happy with this. Not every academy product is going to be first teamer, but we should at least be able to get a decent fee for some of those that don’t make it.
Good luck Fraser lad.
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https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1279015156182388741
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He’s 21 and is about 7th choice behind some truly horrible midfielders that can no longer run, what’s the point?
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He’s 21 and is about 7th choice behind some truly horrible midfielders that can no longer run, what’s the point?
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He’ll boss the u23 league against all those 17/18yr olds and get Unsie another trophy on the CV?
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Brands likes him.
I think we should surely see him out on loan now?
Carlo has hinted in his presser that there are a few other young players who may get a chance towards the end of the season, but right now it's a bit too important.
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I've seen this said elsewhere, so it's not an original thought on my part, but a few of these younger midfielders need to be having a look at themselves. If they can't put pressure on our frankly laughable first choice midfield now, they're never going to make it. Anthony Gordon has showed that there are plenty of opportunities and the manager is more than willing to play youngsters if you train to the right levels and put enough pressure on.
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I struggle to get these deals, like others have said he's 21,don't even think he's made the bench when we have 2 keepers on there. He's looked around and got no interest, or anyone willing to pay him what we are so he's decided to stay
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I struggle to get these deals, like others have said he's 21,don't even think he's made the bench when we have 2 keepers on there. He's looked around and got no interest, or anyone willing to pay him what we are so he's decided to stay
From what I hear, they're trying to do a whole root and branch overhaul of the youth set up.
That involves making the side younger as a whole (eg the likes of Onyango, Dobbin, and Simms before them getting involved), but they're also keen to avoid relegation/keep a relatively solid team for the young lads to play in.
Hence, we've been keeping on some players that otherwise might have been better served out on loan/moving to another club.
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So it looks like short term we’re phasing out the 23+ and offering a contract to the 21s who show more promise than the rest, the filling the gaps with the best picks from the 17-19 bunch?
Then I guess after this phase the age limit will be dropped slightly as we go and as we produce better youth sides to make the group mainly consist of 17-19 with the odd 20yr old hanging around because they either can’t find the right loan or transfer and we’re certain we can get a fee/loan from the right club if we play this system correctly.
Leaving the 17+ to work at the club, the 20+ to break through or loan/sell and the 23+ players wasting their time here a thing of the past?
That’s how the logic is playing out in my head.
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So it looks like short term we’re phasing out the 23+ and offering a contract to the 21s who show more promise than the rest, the filling the gaps with the best picks from the 17-19 bunch?
Then I guess after this phase the age limit will be dropped slightly as we go and as we produce better youth sides to make the group mainly consist of 17-19 with the odd 20yr old hanging around because they either can’t find the right loan or transfer and we’re certain we can get a fee/loan from the right club if we play this system correctly.
Leaving the 17+ to work at the club, the 20+ to break through or loan/sell and the 23+ players wasting their time here a thing of the past?
That’s how the logic is playing out in my head.
That's basically it as I understand it, aye.
As a vague comparison, our average first 11 tends to be around 19.5 years old. At City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea it's more like 17.5-18.5.
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An extension for Branthwaithe after only 6 months, wow👏
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1279348440011616256
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So it looks like short term we’re phasing out the 23+ and offering a contract to the 21s who show more promise than the rest, the filling the gaps with the best picks from the 17-19 bunch?
Then I guess after this phase the age limit will be dropped slightly as we go and as we produce better youth sides to make the group mainly consist of 17-19 with the odd 20yr old hanging around because they either can’t find the right loan or transfer and we’re certain we can get a fee/loan from the right club if we play this system correctly.
Leaving the 17+ to work at the club, the 20+ to break through or loan/sell and the 23+ players wasting their time here a thing of the past?
That’s how the logic is playing out in my head.
That's a fucking great post mate.
I'd never really thought about it in that much detail but what you're saying makes a lot of sense to me and has probably given me a much better understanding.
Cheers!
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See what happens with Adenrian
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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-midfielder-lined-up-loan-18545528
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Unsworth to Tranmere, maybe?
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18 year old Sebastian Quirk signed two year professional contract
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FC Twente agree loan for Markelo
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FC Twente agree loan for Markelo
Good deal for him this I feel
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:)
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Wigan are 8-0 up. Dowell has a hat trick and an assist
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Wigan are 8-0 up. Dowell has a hat trick and an assist
We murder our players enough for not trying atttudes, Dowell would get murdered by our fans, despite his qualities
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Wigan are 8-0 up. Dowell has a hat trick and an assist
A an extra million on his price tag :laugh:
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A an extra million on his price tag :laugh:
So a million then?
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I like dowell.
Technically he is a very good player. Certainly too good for the championship, it’s just about putting it all together.
He’s coming back to a team with a new manager, with no midfield, desperate for a bit of creativity to come from the right.
Maybe all isn’t lost for him here.
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Super talented but one of the most passive players you'll see.
I remember Riley flagging him the other year as a player who plays similar sorta of passes to KDB, and he's got technique out the yinyang.
But I think he'd be lynched for how passive he is. Makes iwobi look like Peter Reid.
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Super talented but one of the most passive players you'll see.
I remember Riley flagging him the other year as a player who plays similar sorta of passes to KDB, and he's got technique out the yinyang.
But I think he'd be lynched for how passive he is. Makes iwobi look like Peter Reid.
That’s armband material for us these days.
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Super talented but one of the most passive players you'll see.
I remember Riley flagging him the other year as a player who plays similar sorta of passes to KDB, and he's got technique out the yinyang.
But I think he'd be lynched for how passive he is. Makes iwobi look like Peter Reid.
Yeah think that’s his second hat trick in his different loan spells.
But then he hasn’t always been in the team and you have to think that’s worrying in terms of consistency or application etc.
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Rangers' teenager Cole McKinnon on our scouting list, apparently
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I thought dowell was a bit too lightweight lovely player was surprised how his form dipped at forest he was flying for first half of the season hardly played after that
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I like dowell.
Technically he is a very good player. Certainly too good for the championship, it’s just about putting it all together.
He’s coming back to a team with a new manager, with no midfield, desperate for a bit of creativity to come from the right.
Maybe all isn’t lost for him here.
As ive previously said I watched him in an England U21s game which included Tom Davies and he looked miles above him, both in ability and application. Granted it was only one game but he was used in the holding midfield role and his passing was superb and control of the game, maybe he just struggles to replicate that in senior football?
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Anyone seeing his hat trick goal in the volley coming across his body into the top bin great goal
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I don’t expect Dowell to get near the squad and he’ll probably be sold.
However he is a lovely footballer technically and he’s the same age as Holgate was after his loan at West Brom, so there’s a chance.
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Broadhead the latest promising kid that’s up for transfer he was very highly thought of never kicked in another destined for lower league football career
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Onyango just showed up on the radar for me this last week - England U17 regular - just signed his first professional contract with us. Let's hope he does well!
https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1738349/midfielder-onyango-signs-first-everton-pro-deal
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Good stuff.
I think he was in the latest first team training video that the club put up yesterday.
Beni was also in there too
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Very well thought of at the club - much higher expectations for him than the likes of Adeniran.
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Rumours a certain academy gaffer is in the view for Wigan job.
Hope he does go and I hope he smashed the arse off it. A good blue and definitely has something he tries to instill in the younger generation, a bit of graft and battle. It's not entirely on him that we've failed to utilise the talents we've produced I don't think, but if we're going to modernise the club we probably do need to look at a different model below the first team.
I was a bit mean when he was interim manager. It wasn't his fault some of our fans are daft and the side are shite.
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Yeah he should have a go, be stupid not to
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I’d imagine he sees his progression now blocked by Ferguson, whereas he was the natural interim prior to the big man coming in and saw that as this pathway into managing the blues full-time.
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I thought dowell was a bit too lightweight lovely player was surprised how his form dipped at forest he was flying for first half of the season hardly played after that
manager change was it not
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Dowell joins Norwich, undisclosed fee.
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Dowell joins Norwich, undisclosed fee.
Always wanted him to turn good for us. Our record of bringing players through recently is poor. Only just prem standard player we have brought through in about 10 years is Barkley
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Shame
Good luck to him. Hopefully he can play at this level someday
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Be interesting to see what we got for him. Seems a good championship player. That has to be worth 5-10m but undisclosed always seems to be when it’s a very low number
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It was floating around yesterday with the fee said to be a million, which seems very low, so not sure I believe that.
Also, saw El Pivote say in passing the other day that Dowell was on £25k p/w, told ya 
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It was floating around yesterday with the fee said to be a million, which seems very low, so not sure I believe that.
Also, saw El Pivote say in passing the other day that Dowell was on £25k p/w, told ya 
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A million would be ridiculous imo, even in this financial climate
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A million would be ridiculous imo, even in this financial climate
A million with loads of add-ons with a first team wage of the wage bill, makes it a bit more palatable.
I have no idea where I saw it but saw a something linking him to Norwich and Blackburn, yesterday - which also quoted the £1 million fee. Can’t find the article.
Didn’t even post it on here as it seemed such a tenuous link.
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A million would be ridiculous imo, even in this financial climate
Imagine if he’d have been at the shite, they’d have got at least £10m
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Norwich are a decent club and play some good stuff (well, at Championship level). Think they’ll take to him there.
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I hope when negotiating with Norwich we set the wheels in motion to buy Aarons
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Didn’t realise Dowell was in he last year of his contract. That £1m fee could be about right, then.
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Didn’t realise Dowell was in he last year of his contract. That £1m fee could be about right, then.
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No way is 1m right. He’s worth 5-10 with a longer contract maybe half that in his last year. If it’s 1m with a buy back and a sell on clause we can live with that. If it’s just 1m it’s a spectacularly shitty deal. We’d comfortably got 10m for him had we been quicker deciding he wasn’t good enough
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No way is 1m right. He’s worth 5-10 with a longer contract maybe half that in his last year. If it’s 1m with a buy back and a sell on clause we can live with that. If it’s just 1m it’s a spectacularly shitty deal. We’d comfortably got 10m for him had we been quicker deciding he wasn’t good enough
When and from who?
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When and from who?
Don’t think any of us wouldn’t have considered 10m a big fee for him when he was a highly rated England u21 player. Unfortunately we let him have 3 very average loan moves before deciding he wasn’t good enough so everyone else knew his limitations too.
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No way is 1m right. He’s worth 5-10 with a longer contract maybe half that in his last year. If it’s 1m with a buy back and a sell on clause we can live with that. If it’s just 1m it’s a spectacularly shitty deal. We’d comfortably got 10m for him had we been quicker deciding he wasn’t good enough
Haha, yea alright big man, whatever you say.
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Haha, yea alright big man, whatever you say.
HEADLINE: “Dowell to leave on a free after Everton hold out for £5m”
*KNT shakes fist in anger claiming club should have taken the £1m*
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Haha, yea alright big man, whatever you say.
Often am but I’m not sure how I feel about you calling me big man. The sexual undertones make me a little uncomfortable xx
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HEADLINE: “Dowell to leave on a free after Everton hold out for £5m”
*KNT shakes fist in anger claiming club should have taken the £1m*
Are we really arguing that we wouldn’t have been better off had we sold the likes of garbutt dowell and Pennington years ago?
If I’d of come on a few years ago and said sell him for 5-10m everyone would have said he’s worth more. Now though it’s laughable to suggest we might have been able to get such a massive fee?
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Are we really arguing that we wouldn’t have been better off had we sold the likes of garbutt dowell and Pennington years ago?
If I’d of come on a few years ago and said sell him for 5-10m everyone would have said he’s worth more. Now though it’s laughable to suggest we might have been able to get such a massive fee?
I don’t think anyone is arguing with that. Once again I think you’re yelling but you’re the only one in the room.
I don’t think you’re arguing about any of the points above here. I think you’re suggesting we could get more than a reported £1m for an almost out of contract player who (for the past 5yrs?) is loaned to the championship and then dropped to the bench after 5 months during each loan.
Either way I don’t really care tbh. I was just poking a bit of fun at a grumpy old man. No offence intended. No hard feelings man.
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I don’t think anyone is arguing with that. Once again I think you’re yelling but you’re the only one in the room.
I don’t think you’re arguing about any of the points above here. I think you’re suggesting we could get more than a reported £1m for an almost out of contract player who (for the past 5yrs?) is loaned to the championship and then dropped to the bench after 5 months during each loan.
Either way I don’t really care tbh. I was just poking a bit of fun at a grumpy old man. No offence intended. No hard feelings man.
I think 1m is certainly on the low side. The bigger issue though is that he should have been sold years ago. We hold on to substandard young players, pay them more and then either have to give them away or get stuck with them.
I’m really not angry about us getting 1 rather than 5. Just frustrated that as a club we don’t seem to be very good at very much
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I think the window for getting a good price for him, was a narrow one. He needed to go out on loan and get experience but (as said above), it showed him up for what he is: a Championship player, who might get back in the Prem with a bit of application and luck.
No Championship is going to spend £10m on a player like this and take-on the financial burden, when they can just loan one from a Prem team. Another negative by-product of bloated Prem team squads.
At a million or two, teams will take a chance on someone like Robinson, Dowell and Williams as they’re getting a good player with a decent chance of still making a profit on them.
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I think 1m is certainly on the low side. The bigger issue though is that he should have been sold years ago. We hold on to substandard young players, pay them more and then either have to give them away or get stuck with them.
I’m really not angry about us getting 1 rather than 5. Just frustrated that as a club we don’t seem to be very good at very much
I hear ya. They frustrate me pretty much daily with the odd sprinkling of hope and joy to make sure I keep coming back for more punishment.
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He hasn't exactly set the Championship alight and the clubs there are not financially doing very well. No way any PL club would sign him so getting any money this year from him is good business.
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Simms netted against Southport and looking razor sharp, with Mr Ancelotti, Big Dunc and Marcel at the game...
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Simms netted against Southport and looking razor sharp, with Mr Ancelotti, Big Dunc and Marcel at the game...
He looks a better bet than Kean at this moment in time. May sway a few decisions.
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He looks a better bet than Kean at this moment in time. May sway a few decisions.
I haven’t seen Simms play.
But based on that, I’d say that he doesn’t seem a better bet than Kean :)
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Southport lads ffs
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Southport lads ffs
In a preseason friendly
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We haven’t had a player come through our youth system for ages who’s ended up good enough to play regular for our first team. Davies but everyone wants shut of him. Holgate DCL and stones were bought in. Lots of hype about players who’ve fallen short
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We haven't had a player come through our youth system for ages who's ended up good enough to play regular for our first team. Davies but everyone wants shut of him. Holgate DCL and stones were bought in. Lots of hype about players who've fallen short
Gordon!?
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He’ll say he’s shite in a few weeks time.
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Simms wont make it at everton
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Gordon!?
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He’s the 1 coming through but how long before that? Sure I’m probably forgetting someone but it seems like we don’t get anyone good for a long long while.
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He’s the 1 coming through but how long before that? Sure I’m probably forgetting someone but it seems like we don’t get anyone good for a long long while.
Would have been Barkley
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Barkley, davies, Kenny, now Gordon.
Not to mention people like Robinson, Williams, dowell, lundstram who are all good players that had to leave to get the opportunity as they just weren’t ready at the right time here.
That’s a decent return to be fair but it could be better.
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Barkley, davies, Kenny, now Gordon.
Not to mention people like Robinson, Williams, dowell, lundstram who are all good players that had to leave to get the opportunity as they just weren’t ready at the right time here.
That’s a decent return to be fair but it could be better.
Always done well at producing players who have decent professional careers.
Next step is making decent money off them.
Then next one is players who have good careers at the club.
But it’s not so easy, most clubs go through periods of not producing many players for their team.
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He looks a better bet than Kean at this moment in time. May sway a few decisions.
What an outlandish thing to say
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Barkley, davies, Kenny, now Gordon.
Not to mention people like Robinson, Williams, dowell, lundstram who are all good players that had to leave to get the opportunity as they just weren’t ready at the right time here.
That’s a decent return to be fair but it could be better.
It’s a pretty crappy list. Not 1 good enough to play for a top 6 side (With Barkley struggling to establish himself at Chelsea) and only Barkley good enough for us really. Is that about 10 years of our youth system right there. What throw in Rooney hibbert osman and Rodwell and it’s 20 years plus
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It’s a pretty crappy list. Not 1 good enough to play for a top 6 side (With Barkley struggling to establish himself at Chelsea) and only Barkley good enough for us really. Is that about 10 years of our youth system right there. What throw in Rooney hibbert osman and Rodwell and it’s 20 years plus
Try and approach the discu