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Title: Jordan Pickford
Post by: hill135 on May 08, 2017, 04:48:57 PM
Heavily linked for what seems to me to be an insane price.

So, is he good?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 08, 2017, 04:53:34 PM
i recon so yeah. Be pleased if he came in.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Robioto on May 08, 2017, 04:56:38 PM
I saw £17m? Seems expensive but not overly so, if he's as good as he's supposed to be.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Alanvideo on May 08, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
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i recon so yeah. Be pleased if he came in.
...............I reckon he's good too but ,partly based on yesterday, I'd prefer Forster if he'd come. He intimidated Milner and we need a couple of players with a bit of devil in them.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 08, 2017, 05:08:04 PM
I think so. And Big Nev said on twitter that hes the one we should go for
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 08, 2017, 05:42:21 PM
I think so. And Big Nev said on twitter that hes the one we should go for

That's good enough for me
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Major Clanger on May 08, 2017, 05:47:28 PM
Heavily linked for what seems to me to be an insane price.

So, is he good?

However good he is, coming to us will be a radically different challenge to what he's doing now. We won't concede shot after shot all game every game, so keeping concentration levels up through long periods of inactivity is key.

I think he's got all the other attributes and we really have no idea how he'd deal with the above.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: GLewis on May 08, 2017, 05:53:21 PM
However good he is, coming to us will be a radically different challenge to what he's doing now. We won't concede shot after shot all game every game, so keeping concentration levels up through long periods of inactivity is key.

I think he's got all the other attributes and we really have no idea how he'd deal with the above.

Plus he'd suddenly be under the microscope a lot more due to a different club plus big price.

Handling mistakes ( :eh: ) is one of the toughest things for keepers.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 08, 2017, 05:58:07 PM
It would be a risk to sign him but there's no guarantees whatever goalkeeper you sign. Established England number 1 Joe Hart has kept like 5 clean sheets all season, we already have a keeper at the club who has kept well more than that and played less games

I'm willing to sanction a 20million move for Pickford though just incase he is boss
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 08, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
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Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 08, 2017, 06:10:53 PM
It would be a risk to sign him but there's no guarantees whatever goalkeeper you sign. Established England number 1 Joe Hart has kept like 5

I'm willing to sanction a 20million move for Pickford though just incase he is boss

I knew you had got a new job, didnt realise this though. Well done @Sir Stealth (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=904)

PS Can you get me a discount on my Season Ticket?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 08, 2017, 06:12:52 PM
I knew you had got a new job, didnt realise this though. Well done @Sir Stealth (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=904)

PS Can you get me a discount on my Season Ticket?

Let me talk to some people and I will get back to you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 08, 2017, 06:20:58 PM
Let me talk to some people and I will get back to you  :thumbsup:

 :Niasse:
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 08, 2017, 06:31:44 PM
I think Pickford will definitely be moving this summer.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: cantoffee on May 08, 2017, 06:37:50 PM
Still think I'd prefer Butland even though he's coming off his injury. Really like the look of him and think they'll be more willing to sell after a year without him as their other keeper seemed to do fine.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ajax_andy on May 08, 2017, 06:39:14 PM
That's good enough for me

He also said we should sign Wayne Hennessey not long ago...
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on May 08, 2017, 07:11:15 PM
Still think I'd prefer Butland even though he's coming off his injury. Really like the look of him and think they'll be more willing to sell after a year without him as their other keeper seemed to do fine.



It's a big risk where Butland is concerned, but no real football stats for as long as he's been out injured will drive the price down. He's looked as good as ever since he's been back, maybe a bit of rustiness, but he still looks the real deal. Now would be the opportune time to take a chance on him. He wont be anywhere near in the same price range again if he can recover completely from his long term lay off. Risky business, but.... :)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 08, 2017, 07:29:15 PM
He also said we should sign Wayne Hennessey not long ago...

Never.Question.Big.Nev

In all fairness WH is not a bad keeper. I'd prefer him over what we currently have
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 08, 2017, 08:20:56 PM
I think Pickford will definitely be moving this summer.

Just to let you know that your joke was not completely lost on this forum ;)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 08, 2017, 08:34:40 PM
I've seen £25m being quoted. I think anything above £20m is quite a big gamble for him...but (given where we are now financially) the rewards probably outweigh the risks in the long run.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Alanvideo on May 08, 2017, 08:48:33 PM
Just to let you know that your joke was not completely lost on this forum ;)
..................I got it too and been desperately trying to think of a reply. Anyway I've packed it in now.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on May 08, 2017, 08:55:33 PM
I'd like to think if the figure is around £20-£25M being touted then I'd rather for maybe a couple of million more go all out for Butland.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Ross on May 08, 2017, 09:00:40 PM
..................I got it too and been desperately trying to think of a reply. Anyway I've packed it in now.

I think you boxed it off in the end Al.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 08, 2017, 09:05:40 PM
I do have a sneaky suspicion that Butland isn't that good and that loads of people just watched that match of the day when he was man of the match for Stoke against Norwich and think that he's like that every game
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: GLewis on May 08, 2017, 09:14:22 PM
I do have a sneaky suspicion that Butland isn't that good and that loads of people just watched that match of the day when he was man of the match for Stoke against Norwich and think that he's like that every game

He made a few mistakes that season (shots going straight through him etc) that would have been hammered had he played for a top team (or cost £30m).
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 08, 2017, 09:22:39 PM
He made a few mistakes that season (shots going straight through him etc) that would have been hammered had he played for a top team (or cost £30m).

Luckily the more vigilant amongst us (i.e. Us two) got onto it!

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 08, 2017, 09:40:54 PM
But it gets to the point where you have so many shots to save that you sometimes think, "fuck it" it won't make any difference if it goes in or stays out.Especially in Sunderland's case.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluebridge on May 08, 2017, 09:57:12 PM
I think so. And Big Nev said on twitter that hes the one we should go for
I wasn't fussed on him, but if Big Nev rates him, then that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: wilbur on May 08, 2017, 10:39:46 PM
I have heard a fairly strong rumour that Kasper Schmeichel may be looking to move from Leicester in the close season.

He still lives quite local (Cheshire) and his first choice, if De Gea leaves, would obviously be Man Utd but I suspect we may well be in the running if they don't want him for any reason.

 
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ajax_andy on May 08, 2017, 10:40:10 PM
Never.Question.Big.Nev

In all fairness WH is not a bad keeper. I'd prefer him over what we currently have

Sorry but he's fuckin garbage, way worse than Robles!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 08, 2017, 11:14:53 PM
Sorry but he's fuckin garbage, way worse than Robles!

He's not
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 08, 2017, 11:23:38 PM
I have heard a fairly strong rumour that Kasper Schmeichel may be looking to move from Leicester in the close season.

He still lives quite local (Cheshire) and his first choice, if De Gea leaves, would obviously be Man Utd but I suspect we may well be in the running if they don't want him for any reason.

 

Hope not. Average keeper, alread 30 and would probably cost more than Pickford
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ajax_andy on May 08, 2017, 11:26:28 PM
He's not

I'd have him down as one of the worst keepers in the league personally, definitely in the top 5 crap keepers table.  Lets all sort of shots in he really should save due to bad positioning or despite being massive getting weak hands to shots and palming them in the net
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 08, 2017, 11:27:56 PM
I'd have him down as one of the worst keepers in the league personally, definitely in the top 5 crap keepers table.  Lets all sort of shots in he really should save due to bad positioning or despite being massive getting weak hands to shots and palming them in the net

Ok mate. If that's your opinion you're entitled to it. How many times have you seen him play though?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 08, 2017, 11:29:20 PM
For what it's worth (probably nowt) 'MirrorSport understands Koeman has earmarked Pickford for the role and progress is being made behind the scenes to secure his signature'.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ajax_andy on May 08, 2017, 11:29:30 PM
Ok mate. If that's your opinion you're entitled to it. How many times have you seen him play though?

In the flesh never so I could easily be missing something as an arm chair viewer tbf, just seems to let goals in he shouldn't a lot... mind we say that about Robles too haha :D
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 08, 2017, 11:30:08 PM
Has he signed yet ffs?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 08, 2017, 11:31:24 PM
I think if Joel Robles, Maarten Stekelenburg or Wayne Hennessey are our number 1 goalkeeper next season then I've got a feeling that the clubs ambition isn't the same as the likes of me and Romelu Lukaku
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 08, 2017, 11:31:40 PM
In the flesh never so I could easily be missing something as an arm chair viewer tbf, just seems to let goals in he shouldn't a lot... mind we say that about Robles too haha :D

I've seen him live plenty of times. Both for Wales and when he was at Wolves. No where near as bad as your making out. Probably hasn't progressed as he should but still is fairly young for a keeper at 30.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ajax_andy on May 08, 2017, 11:33:24 PM
I've seen him live plenty of times. Both for Wales and when he was at Wolves. No where near as bad as your making out. Probably hasn't progressed as he should but still is fairly young for a keeper at 30.

Fair enough, I'll cut him some slack and admit you know better... still wouldn't want him here mind :)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Trowel on May 09, 2017, 12:07:44 AM
Feels like this happens every season, where a goalkeeper for struggling team gets glowing reviews because of all the opportunities they've had to save shots.

Can't remember too many of them getting picked up and continuing that form.

...Oh wait - Adam Bogdan and Simon Mignolet :whistle:
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Shogun on May 09, 2017, 12:14:51 AM
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/realistic-fee-for-pickford.1358567/
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2017, 12:18:56 AM
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/realistic-fee-for-pickford.1358567/

What about Pickford for Kone, McGeady and Niasse?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Ross on May 09, 2017, 12:20:03 AM
Feels like this happens every season, where a goalkeeper for struggling team gets glowing reviews because of all the opportunities they've had to save shots.

Can't remember too many of them getting picked up and continuing that form.

...Oh wait - Adam Bogdan and Simon Mignolet :whistle:

We've been tacking him for a while though haven't we? Pretty sure there were links about us looking at him when he was on loan at PNE about 18 months ago.

Given his age and potential and our long standing interest I think this is slightly different to the usual busy keeper at a poor team kind of link.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 09, 2017, 12:27:39 AM
I feel because of Pickfords age this is a gamble, but one we should and can take.
We know Robles has a fucking calamity in him every now and then but on average is a solid 6 or 7/10 gk most weeks, so if Pickford has a drop in form or struggles we can take him out and it shouldn't be to detrimental to our overall team.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jay on May 09, 2017, 01:15:14 AM
Tbh I'm not totally sold on Pickford. He just feels a bit "flavor of the month"y. And seeing prices of £20-£25 mil mentioned seems to high a British premium (which I am admittedly assuming is the case) to pay regardless of how much money is available. Would still prefer better value from the continent if I am honest, but should he sign...I'll be hoping I am wrong about him.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2017, 01:19:06 AM
Go out and get Butland, think Pickford is overrated faces 20 shots every week so he looks better, his distribution at goodison was poor and flapped at crosses, Butland for me, with Robles as a 2nd choice,
Stekelenburg can f*ck off, worse than paul gerrard.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2017, 01:23:54 AM
Incredibly hard choosing a keeper. As well as all the technical aspects of keeping, the mental side is probably more important than any other position. It's a position that we can all easily point out flaws and pick faults with, but it's not at all easy to identify someone who is going to be consistently good over a number of years.

Even the best managers around have signed promising keepers who have gone on to be woeful or have completely lost confidence (Taibi). I don't envy Walsh and Koeman in making their choice, but I'll back their judgement and will also assume that a lot more thought has gone into it than just picking a flavour of the month keeper.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cassius on May 09, 2017, 01:25:04 AM
Feels like this happens every season, where a goalkeeper for struggling team gets glowing reviews because of all the opportunities they've had to save shots.

Can't remember too many of them getting picked up and continuing that form.

...Oh wait - Adam Bogdan and Simon Mignolet :whistle:

And Joel carried on his form too :whistle:
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 09, 2017, 01:25:30 AM
Pickord is hardly flavour of the month, he has been in and around all England's age groups and been highly rated for a while now
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2017, 01:27:34 AM
Still think Joels a good keeper, weve won 1 in 14 with Stekelenburg, Robles shouldnt have been dropped - weve had our best run of form under koeman with him in goal
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: trueevertonianpaul on May 09, 2017, 01:30:54 AM
Wasn't the majority of   evertonians against buying robles from relegated club. Wigan ffs. Pickford on the other hand is brilliant or is he like robles, potential???
I have nothing against pickford but guys if u want have a better season next year u need a top top keeper. Yet again proven.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2017, 01:36:27 AM
Wasn't the majority of   evertonians against buying robles from relegated club. Wigan ffs. Pickford on the other hand is brilliant or is he like robles, potential???
I have nothing against pickford but guys if u want have a better season next year u need a top top keeper. Yet again proven.

Robles was bought as cover for Howard at the time, not to be number 1
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Goaljira on May 09, 2017, 01:38:32 AM
How much could we get for Robles?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ally2 on May 09, 2017, 01:39:11 AM
Keepers are difficult.  My confusion begins with 'why are keepers in general so rubbish?'.  You spend your entire career just being a goalkeeper.  You train every day.  Thta's what you do.  You catch things and you sharpen your reflexes. You make sure your positioning is good.  So why do we have the likes of Robles and Stek who are both so f'ing shite?  I don't understand it.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 09, 2017, 01:54:12 AM
Be happy with Pickford or Schmeichel, really.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 09, 2017, 01:56:37 AM
For what it's worth (probably nowt) 'MirrorSport understands Koeman has earmarked Pickford for the role and progress is being made behind the scenes to secure his signature'.

well, there could be that "informally announced signing" before the season wraps, eh?  BD gets his wish!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Shogun on May 09, 2017, 02:04:29 AM
I think the biggest problem with signing a goalkeeper like Pickford is that if it doesn't work out then we're stuck with Joel or Stekelenburg again.

If we sign Pickford and could get another goalkeeper with a bit of experience and reliability such as Michel Vorm then I'd feel a lot more comfortable about us spending how much much on the former.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: toshyboy on May 09, 2017, 03:47:14 AM
Fraser Forster all day for me. Never hear that much about his performances either good or bad in press (Milner aside). Says it all for me. Good solid keeper.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: everton1952 on May 09, 2017, 04:04:29 AM
Pickford is probably no better than the Shite's acquisition from the same club. OK he saves many shots  because he plays for a shit team. That proved nothing when the shite fell for the same argument, and look what they think of Mignolet.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Trowel on May 09, 2017, 04:37:43 AM
Fraser Forster all day for me. Never hear that much about his performances either good or bad in press (Milner aside). Says it all for me. Good solid keeper.
Southampton fans have been giving him stick this season, he's let in a few silly ones.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2017, 08:22:18 AM
Are there any decent keepers out there anymore? Apart from some of the world class ones like Buffon who are on their way out, there seems to be a distinct lack of quality compared to a few years ago.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Confucius on May 09, 2017, 10:30:04 AM
I've seen him live plenty of times. Both for Wales and when he was at Wolves. No where near as bad as your making out. Probably hasn't progressed as he should but still is fairly young for a keeper at 30.

You mean like your David Marshall shout.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 09, 2017, 01:51:03 PM
You mean like your David Marshall shout.

David Marshall was quality for Cardiff over the years. His first season in the top flight was impressive. His form at Hull though is an exception to the norm, but he's not the keeper he once was. Confidence destroyed and the fact he never wanted to move to Hull have been contributing factors. He's a top lad too
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: dekko on May 09, 2017, 01:56:47 PM
Be happy with Pickford or Schmeichel, really.

I read somewhere that they would try to bring in both. Schmeichel for now and Pickford as competition and for the future; it also said Koeman is not happy with either Joel or Stek, and would dump them both.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: stirlingblue on May 09, 2017, 02:02:24 PM
I read somewhere that they would try to bring in both. Schmeichel for now and Pickford as competition and for the future; it also said Koeman is not happy with either Joel or Stek, and would dump them both.

We wouldn't be able to convince both to come, they're both ready to be No.1s in the Prem.

Plus, at 30 Schmeichal still has 5/6 years left in him
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jamokachi on May 09, 2017, 02:11:02 PM
My feelings on Pickford have been made pretty clear on here, get him signed please Everton.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Hawkandro on May 09, 2017, 02:35:15 PM
For what it's worth (probably nowt) 'MirrorSport understands Koeman has earmarked Pickford for the role and progress is being made behind the scenes to secure his signature'.

Next 48 hours. *Taps nose*
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 09, 2017, 05:52:12 PM
According to the sun headline on google news (wont bother posting a link to the story there) we have bid £10m, it has been rejected and they've "slapped" a £30m price tag on him.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on May 09, 2017, 05:59:35 PM
According to the sun headline on google news (wont bother posting a link to the story there) we have bid £10m, it has been rejected and they've "slapped" a £30m price tag on him.



I don't think the Sun will be doing us any favours, with what they are reporting in regards to us anytime soon. I think he may have a 20 million + price tag though.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 09, 2017, 07:56:36 PM
I haven't watched many games over the past few years where I've thought the keeper has stood out. I don't know whether that's just me or whether there is a dearth of quality out there now so for this reason, I'm out.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2017, 08:15:47 PM
I haven't watched many games over the past few years where I've thought the keeper has stood out. I don't know whether that's just me or whether there is a dearth of quality out there now so for this reason, I'm out.

Exactly my thoughts. The only keeper I would really rate as being top class in the prem is Courtois (sp) at Chelsea. Everyone else is is pretty meh to be honest.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 09, 2017, 08:19:49 PM
Exactly my thoughts. The only keeper I would really rate as being top class in the prem is Courtois (sp) at Chelsea. Everyone else is is pretty meh to be honest.

De Gea??
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2017, 08:21:10 PM
Lloris is pretty shit hot as well.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2017, 08:21:34 PM
De Gea??

He would be in the very good category, but certainly not world class. Not in the Schmeichel or Buffon mould for sure.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2017, 08:26:17 PM
He would be in the very good category, but certainly not world class. Not in the Schmeichel or Buffon mould for sure.

Best keeper in the world.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blueToffee on May 09, 2017, 08:29:10 PM
Exactly my thoughts. The only keeper I would really rate as being top class in the prem is Courtois (sp) at Chelsea. Everyone else is is pretty meh to be honest.

De Gea, Lloris?

I do take the point though overall that there is a dearth in quality where keepers are concerned.

I've not seen enough of Pickford to put him at any higher level than the other up and coming keepers of recent times. Would be a big risk at this stage. Slightly concerned at 6' 1 he's not the biggest presence either.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2017, 08:33:20 PM
De Gea, Lloris?

I do take the point though overall that there is a dearth in quality where keepers are concerned.

I've not seen enough of Pickford to put him at any higher level than the other up and coming keepers of recent times. Would be a big risk at this stage. Slightly concerned at 6' 1 he's not the biggest presence either.

De Gea, Loris and Courtois are all very good keepers. Courtois is the best of the three for me and perhaps bordering world class. But none of them make me feel like they will be hard to score against compared to the likes of Schmeichel etc. I even think Cech has lost a lot of his form since going to Arsenal. He was formidable at Chelsea.

But that's why it's going to be so hard for us to get someone good. Every keeper mentioned on here that's realistic have serious flaws to their games. Or perhaps the analysis is deeper than it ever has been before.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 09, 2017, 08:34:59 PM
De Gea, Lloris?

I do take the point though overall that there is a dearth in quality where keepers are concerned.

I've not seen enough of Pickford to put him at any higher level than the other up and coming keepers of recent times. Would be a big risk at this stage. Slightly concerned at 6' 1 he's not the biggest presence either.

We've got two giants at the minute and they both look piss poor on anything apart from catching crosses. I wouldn't say his height would be a negative factor as it'd mean he'd be more agile, I just don't whether he'd progress from flying around his goal for 90 minutes to being mentally up to pulling off a worldie with the one shot he might face on target all game.
Still, everyone has to start somewhere.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2017, 08:37:16 PM
We've got two giants at the minute and they both look piss poor on anything apart from catching crosses. I wouldn't say his height would be a negative factor as it'd mean he'd be more agile, I just don't whether he'd progress from flying around his goal for 90 minutes to being mentally up to pulling off a worldie with the one shot he might face on target all game.
Still, everyone has to start somewhere.

Lloris is certainly not that tall, but very agile.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 09, 2017, 08:37:32 PM
He would be in the very good category, but certainly not world class. Not in the Schmeichel or Buffon mould for sure.

He is world class....
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2017, 08:39:05 PM
De Gea, Loris and Courtois are all very good keepers. Courtois is the best of the three for me and perhaps bordering world class. But none of them make me feel like they will be hard to score against compared to the likes of Schmeichel etc. I even think Cech has lost a lot of his form since going to Arsenal. He was formidable at Chelsea.

But that's why it's going to be so hard for us to get someone good. Every keeper mentioned on here that's realistic have serious flaws to their games. Or perhaps the analysis is deeper than it ever has been before.

That sounds like a touch of the 'in my day' type mentality. De Gea is outstanding, and has saved Utd countless points over the last few years. You would never get Schmeichel coming out of his area, let alone sweeping up about 30 yards of the pitch like Lloris does, which enables them to play a high press. There's plenty of outstanding keepers around. Jan Oblak is another, and there's a load of good German keepers.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2017, 08:41:28 PM
That sounds like a touch of the 'in my day' type mentality. De Gea is outstanding, and has saved Utd countless points over the last few years. You would never get Schmeichel coming out of his area, let alone sweeping up about 30 yards of the pitch like Lloris does, which enables them to play a high press. There's plenty of outstanding keepers around. Jan Oblak is another, and there's a load of good German keepers.

I admit, it does sound a touch of in my day. But De Gea in his prime or Schmeichel in his prime, for me there is only one winner. Schmeichel was better than anyone around today.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: hill135 on May 09, 2017, 08:51:23 PM
De Gea is fucking brilliant. As hard as it is to compare across positions, I'd have him down as a candidate for best player in the league.

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluenose 91 on May 09, 2017, 09:04:43 PM
We've got two giants at the minute and they both look piss poor on anything apart from catching crosses. I wouldn't say his height would be a negative factor as it'd mean he'd be more agile, I just don't whether he'd progress from flying around his goal for 90 minutes to being mentally up to pulling off a worldie with the one shot he might face on target all game.
Still, everyone has to start somewhere.

How often do we only concede one shot on target though?

Granted it won't be as many as at Sunderland but we're hardly Juventus are we?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 09, 2017, 09:25:35 PM
How often do we only concede one shot on target though?

Granted it won't be as many as at Sunderland but we're hardly Juventus are we?

I was making a point, not meant to be taken so literally.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 09, 2017, 09:29:42 PM
So...to summarize, we only want someone who is to good to consider coming to Everton?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 09, 2017, 09:30:36 PM
On this weeks Football Weekly, Simon Burnton raves about Pickford, especially with regards to his kicking distribution

I'm warming more and more to the idea of getting Pickford in and I'm happy for Joel to be the 2nd choice keeper
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 09, 2017, 09:31:28 PM
On this weeks Football Weekly, Simon Burnton raves about Pickford, especially with regards to his kicking distribution

I'm warming more and more to the idea of getting Pickford in and I'm happy for Joel to be the 2nd choice keeper

Whether Joel is equally as happy is another matter.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Ross on May 09, 2017, 09:33:00 PM
DeGea is the best keeper this leagues had since Schmeichel. I'd actually say he's superior to him myself in all honesty.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 09, 2017, 09:35:01 PM
Whether Joel is equally as happy is another matter.

Yeah I think he threw a bit of a strop earlier in the season about not being in the team. At his age he's got to be playing regularly to be fair to him

He gets a fair bit of stock from our fans but for me it's quite clear that he has improved loads in the last year

Whether that's good enough to be our number 1 is a matter for debate
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2017, 09:42:41 PM
Unfortunately Joel had a mare in the bigger games when we needed him, so he's only got himself to blame for losing favour. All every player can ask for is a chance, and he's had his and came up short.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2017, 09:49:10 PM
Joel will never be any more than a number 2 for us. He's improved, but he still makes elementary mistakes. I thought Stek was good the first part of the season, but since he's come back, he's been worse than Joel last year.

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2017, 10:18:35 PM
Unfortunately Joel had a mare in the bigger games when we needed him, so he's only got himself to blame for losing favour. All every player can ask for is a chance, and he's had his and came up short.

Like the other 10 players on the pitch for those games then?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2017, 10:20:18 PM
Joel will never be any more than a number 2 for us. He's improved, but he still makes elementary mistakes. I thought Stek was good the first part of the season, but since he's come back, he's been worse than Joel last year.



made big errors against Burnley, Boro, west brom & Man United in the first part of the season, he was second/third choice for southampton & then couldnt get in the fulham XI in the championship. Awful keeper
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MrWhite on May 09, 2017, 10:20:55 PM
I admit, it does sound a touch of in my day. But De Gea in his prime or Schmeichel in his prime, for me there is only one winner. Schmeichel was better than anyone around today.
Schmeichel was better, but that doesn't mean De Gea isn't world class. It's a bit like saying there hasn't been a world class player since Pele? You could argue no-one has been better, but denying Messi, Maradona, Ronaldo et al would be excessive.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2017, 10:23:20 PM
Like the other 10 players on the pitch for those games then?

Not for me. His keeping for Kane's shot outside the area at 0-0 was horrendous, and it wasn't much better against the RS. That Origi goal in particular was like putting someone from NSNO in net.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2017, 10:25:04 PM
Not for me. His keeping for Kane's shot outside the area at 0-0 was horrendous, and it wasn't much better against the RS. That Origi goal in particular was like putting someone from NSNO in net.
Yeah the Origi one was bad, got his positioning all wrong, and he had a mad moment against burnley, shouldnt have been dropped for Stekelenburg though we were bang average and didnt really hit any form before Robles came in this season
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2017, 10:26:13 PM
Schmeichel was better, but that doesn't mean De Gea isn't world class. It's a bit like saying there hasn't been a world class player since Pele? You could argue no-one has been better, but denying Messi, Maradona, Ronaldo et al would be excessive.

No, it's nothing like saying that.

He's a very good keeper, but for me, not world class yet.

But bottom line, at our level, there aren't many great keepers to choose from, each seem to have serious flaws to their games.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2017, 10:26:50 PM
Yeah the Origi one was bad, got his positioning all wrong, and he had a mad moment against burnley, shouldnt have been dropped for Stekelenburg though we were bang average and didnt really hit any form before Robles came in this season

I defo agree he's better than Stekelenburg. But then there's members of undiscovered tribes who aren't even aware of the concept of football who are better than Stekelenburg.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MrWhite on May 09, 2017, 10:32:47 PM
No, it's nothing like saying that.

He's a very good keeper, but for me, not world class yet.

But bottom line, at our level, there aren't many great keepers to choose from, each seem to have serious flaws to their games.

Disagree on De Gea, completely agree on our situation. Pickford is possibly the most promising we can hope for?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: GLewis on May 09, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
Not for me. His keeping for Kane's shot outside the area at 0-0 was horrendous, and it wasn't much better against the RS. That Origi goal in particular was like putting someone from NSNO in net.

If the Origi error was a one off then fine but he's got too many examples of this level of mistake.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2017, 10:44:25 PM
Disagree on De Gea, completely agree on our situation. Pickford is possibly the most promising we can hope for?

Quite probably. He does have age on his side so could develop into something special. The other names we've been linked with, Hart, Bergovic, Butland, Forster, Foster, are all good, but they have those significant flaws to them. So based on that, Pickford is probably the way to go.

Failing that, we could look at some bin men again...
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluenose 91 on May 09, 2017, 11:00:14 PM
Splitting hairs between Joel and Steklenburg really isn't it?

They've both made mistakes that no PL keeper should make.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 09, 2017, 11:00:58 PM
They've got one thing in common, they're both shite
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MrWhite on May 09, 2017, 11:15:31 PM
Quite probably. He does have age on his side so could develop into something special. The other names we've been linked with, Hart, Bergovic, Butland, Forster, Foster, are all good, but they have those significant flaws to them. So based on that, Pickford is probably the way to go.

Failing that, we could look at some bin men again...
Yeah it is a 'sign and hope' situation..

Forster and Butland were both lauded as Pickford is now and have failed to kick on since. It would be useful to see another season at top level first, but if he does kick on we may have missed the boat.

Surely Moyes will have to let him go "for the good of his career" after his Baines/Felli comments a few years back? :D
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 09, 2017, 11:16:06 PM
They've got one thing in common, they're both shite

They are varying levels of shite, but shite is shite.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MrWhite on May 09, 2017, 11:16:26 PM
Tom Heaton would be the best option but can't see that happening.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MrWhite on May 09, 2017, 11:17:27 PM
They are varying levels of shite, but shite is shite.
It's not a Blue or Shite world :D
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 09, 2017, 11:24:20 PM
Robles has his good points, Stek doesn't.  I'd be happy keeping Robles as a #2, using him for Cups and even some Prem matches when we have Europa on Thursdays, but not Stek.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 09, 2017, 11:33:45 PM
Robles won't want to go back to being a No 2 and if his agent does his job well he can provide some pretty compelling stats to other clubs to show that he deserves the chance to be a No 1 elsewhere, based on this season.

From an outside perspective he probably looks a decent punt to someone and probably worthy of paying a decent fee for. Which might be tempting to Walsh as Stek is quite happy to be a bench warmer from here on in.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Alanvideo on May 09, 2017, 11:38:12 PM
Tom Heaton would be the best option but can't see that happening.
.................Heaton is like an older version of Pickford ,competent keeper but I'd prefer Pickford for his potential. My only concern is his lack of height , just 6ft. according to Wilkopedia
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Goaljira on May 13, 2017, 09:10:29 PM
Terrible on that goal there.  Got absolutely nowhere near the cross.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Shogun on May 13, 2017, 09:18:00 PM
If we're to get him then we need a solid but unspectacular keeper in reserve, for sure.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Everton Mint on May 13, 2017, 09:18:21 PM
Of the Brits I'd have Fraser Forster . But the consensus seems to be that foreign keepers are generally better nowadays...
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 13, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
Wasn't getting near the Naughton goal Hull Gone?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Alanvideo on May 14, 2017, 05:49:39 AM
Not impressed with Pickford today nor for that matter Butland. Forster would be my preference.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on May 14, 2017, 05:59:12 AM
Not impressed with Pickford today nor for that matter Butland. Forster would be my preference.

Forster is genuinely awful.

Pickford is 23 you have to remember. He's going to have poor games and make mistakes
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 14, 2017, 06:06:06 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-open-jordan-pickford-transfer-10415207
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Shogun on May 14, 2017, 06:14:43 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-open-jordan-pickford-transfer-10415207

Who considers Kaspar Schmeichel as one of the best goalkeepers in Europe, like?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on May 14, 2017, 06:15:00 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-open-jordan-pickford-transfer-10415207

Oh for fucks sake.

Why are we bidding 10mil.

Kenwright and Elstone are still sing the transfers, aren't they.

Happy summer everyone
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 14, 2017, 06:20:13 AM
Who considers Kaspar Schmeichel as one of the best goalkeepers in Europe, like?

Shit journos?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Confucius on May 14, 2017, 10:36:16 AM
Forster is genuinely awful.

Pickford is 23 you have to remember. He's going to have poor games and make mistakes


So will Robles. Worth spending 20M for a similar keeper?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Shogun on May 14, 2017, 10:51:33 AM

So will Robles. Worth spending 20M for a similar keeper?

Not to be a twat (well, no more than usual) but you're seemingly the only person in the footballing world who thinks that Joel is or will be a capable number one for us.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Confucius on May 14, 2017, 01:31:43 PM
Not to be a twat (well, no more than usual) but you're seemingly the only person in the footballing world who thinks that Joel is or will be a capable number one for us.

I don't think he can be a number 1. I just don't see why we should spend 20 odd million on a different version of Robles.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Silas on May 14, 2017, 01:34:25 PM
I don't think he can be a number 1. I just don't see why we should spend 20 odd million on a different version of Robles.

He's younger and hasn't had his chance with us yet. That's the main difference really. We need to stop talking about 20 million like it's big money nowadays as well
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Alanvideo on May 14, 2017, 01:37:34 PM
I don't think he can be a number 1. I just don't see why we should spend 20 odd million on a different version of Robles.
.............it was clear from several instances in the Watford game our defenders don't trust Robles.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Confucius on May 14, 2017, 01:39:13 PM
He's younger and hasn't had his chance with us yet. That's the main difference really. We need to stop talking about 20 million like it's big money nowadays as well


Maybe. It it's the difference in my mind between giving up on a top level 2nd striker or a 2nd CB or another winger. Money for us is not infinite. And 20M from a 100M transfer budget is quite the slice.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Polledreng on May 14, 2017, 01:39:13 PM


Surely Moyes will have to let him go "for the good of his career" after his Baines/Felli comments a few years back? :D
Not that english is my first language but I'm sure that meant that playing for Moyes was the Best thing that could happen.... probably what he thinks of Pickford...... not sure Jordan will like to play for Bury or whereever Moyes will end up  ;)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 14, 2017, 02:05:07 PM
Not that english is my first language but I'm sure that meant that playing for Moyes was the Best thing that could happen.... probably what he thinks of Pickford...... not sure Jordan will like to play for Bury or whereever Moyes will end up  ;)

If you meant Moyes' original comments then he was saying, specifically, that he never stood in the way of a player wanting to leave Everton to go to a bigger club. Now he wasn't a bigger club he thought Martinez was out of order for not accepting the bids I'm for Baines & Fellaini.

If you are talking about @MrWhite (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6530) 's comment, then he is pointing out that (by Moyes' logic) nobody should stop a Sunderland player joining Everton.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 14, 2017, 02:06:18 PM
Can't believe I'm still reading the words Joel and Robles in goalkeeping threads. it makes me want to scream.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 14, 2017, 02:23:48 PM
Who considers Kaspar Schmeichel as one of the best goalkeepers in Europe, like?

Beat me to it. He's bang average
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 14, 2017, 02:25:12 PM
Not to be a twat (well, no more than usual) but you're seemingly the only person in the footballing world who thinks that Joel is or will be a capable number one for us.

I quite like him too (though that probably doesn't help his argument) id like better but I'm not sure the list of better is anywhere as near as long as some make out
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Silas on May 14, 2017, 02:35:24 PM

Maybe. It it's the difference in my mind between giving up on a top level 2nd striker or a 2nd CB or another winger. Money for us is not infinite. And 20M from a 100M transfer budget is quite the slice.

Even if you decide Robles is decent though we need another keeper and that's going to be a chunk of our budget
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: GoodisonPk on May 14, 2017, 02:46:53 PM
Not getting it. One day Chelsea united and arsenal are in for him and now hes not good enough for us? Thought he was killing it.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ally2 on May 14, 2017, 03:23:45 PM
I rate Schmeichel. I also think it would be wise for us to not go for a young keeper with promise at this moment. Rather going with a steadier older keeper.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on May 14, 2017, 03:25:17 PM

So will Robles. Worth spending 20M for a similar keeper?

He's well better than Robles like.

Robles isn't good enough for Everton. Not even go for debate anymore.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: GLewis on May 14, 2017, 03:38:25 PM
I also think it would be wise for us to not go for a young keeper with promise at this moment. Rather going with a steadier older keeper.

I wouldn't be averse to getting a Martyn type singing (but preferably 2/3 years younger) for that reason.

We're still a bit turbulent in terms of the team / squad so signing someone who is reliable but cheap(ish) would free up resources for elsewhere and also reduce potential stress levels re having "wasted" £20m+ on a young keeper.

Problem re Schmeichel would be that they'd want £25m for him, at least and that takes him out of the above bracket.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blueToffee on May 15, 2017, 12:13:20 AM
Hart's loan spell hasn't really done him many favours. Conceded 5 today.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39909580

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 15, 2017, 12:57:09 AM
Hart is terrible.  Period, full stop.

Schmeichel has the advantage of being someone I think we can readily sign, without much drama.  Convince Robles to stay for the Cubs/certain Sunday games when we have Europa matches, and I would be pleased with that combo.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 15, 2017, 01:02:02 AM
Think Schmeichel is probably about the best of the group of keepers that we are probably in the market for. Unless we want the younger keeper who will one day come good. Unless there's a German keeper who's good we can get.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 15, 2017, 01:04:16 AM
Think Schmeichel is probably about the best of the group of keepers that we are probably in the market for. Unless we want the younger keeper who will one day come good. Unless there's a German keeper who's good we can get.

Seeing the 2 best Bundesliga (sp?) sides play a 5-4 match yesterday, I'm guessing probably not...
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 15, 2017, 01:24:37 AM
People on here wanted us to pay 40 fucking million for joe hart and my balotelli on a free was called the worst suggestion ever.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 15, 2017, 01:47:53 AM
People on here wanted us to pay 40 fucking million for joe hart and my balotelli on a free was called the worst suggestion ever.

Admittedly I was up for Hart, but I'm a MOTD scout.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 15, 2017, 01:54:27 AM
Admittedly I was up for Hart, but I'm a MOTD scout.

I wasn't against him but 40 fucking million. World record fee when the reality was no one else wanted to buy him. I wouldn't be that surprised if he went for nearly neither. His contract is ridiculous and he's at best just an average top flight keeper
Him and wilshere have been completely found out this season.
Almost seems both have no real options now cos of what they earn
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 15, 2017, 02:18:47 AM
People on here wanted us to pay 40 fucking million for joe hart and my balotelli on a free was called the worst suggestion ever.

Both equally abysmal shouts tbf!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 15, 2017, 02:34:24 AM
People on here wanted us to pay 40 fucking million for joe hart and my balotelli on a free was called the worst suggestion ever.

I quite liked your Balotelli shout tbf.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 15, 2017, 02:41:49 AM
Both equally abysmal shouts tbf!

A world record fee for hart who's having a Robles like season is equally shocking to signing balotelli on a free who's having a great season. Interesting outlook.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 15, 2017, 02:44:08 AM
I was against Hart on a free, but I am also wrong a metric fuckton.  So not bragging at all.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Silas on May 15, 2017, 02:46:10 AM
Yeah I think we will happily state I was wrong in wanting Hart at all, take a big comeback for him to be any good for us and it's as big a risk as Pickford with less potential reward.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ajax_andy on May 15, 2017, 03:17:17 AM
Pickford
Schmeichel
Butland
Heaton

All of them would improve us massively.

Pickford is an excellent shot stopper and has excellent distribution.  He'd young, already looks pretty solid and has bags of potential. He will make some errors but not that many by the looks of it even at this young age.

Schmeichel is solid as a rock, it's taken him a while to get there but these last 2 seasons he's proved he's a top keeper now

Butland IMHO is England's best keeper at present.  Some question marks if theres any long term issues from his injury but he's an all round solid keeper with outstanding reflexes.

Heaton is the least glamorous but again he's another extremely solid and reliable keeper who you could depend on, never seems to make a bad mistake and like Schmeichel has matured with age.

No need to go for a foreign keeper when there's 4 experienced premier league keepers who could come in straight away and make a big impact on the team.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Major Clanger on May 15, 2017, 03:40:55 AM
People on here wanted us to pay 40 fucking million for joe hart and my balotelli on a free was called the worst suggestion ever.

To be fair, it's hard to decide between the two.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ally2 on May 15, 2017, 03:41:05 AM
Why did Butland sign a 5 year deal with Stoke though?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: everton1952 on May 15, 2017, 03:57:04 AM
Pickford played for a terrible team who got relegated. Do we want another player from a relegated team? We took on a gutful from Wigan. OK Gana proves an exception from Villa. The Shite took a Sunderland goalie because he saved hundreds of shots in a crap team and I don't think they are impressed by Mignolet.  I hope Pickford is not a target for us.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Major Clanger on May 15, 2017, 04:02:21 AM
Gana proves an exception from Villa.

Andy Johnson wasn't too bad either. And Jagielka.

In fact if anything, it was the Wigan intake that was the exception, seeing as they were recruited not on merit but based purely on familiarity.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Trowel on May 15, 2017, 04:06:38 AM
Stek nominated for Save of the Season BTW ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/39876957
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 15, 2017, 04:20:37 AM
Man City being linked with Donnarunna (so) from Milan
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ajax_andy on May 15, 2017, 04:35:51 AM
Pickford played for a terrible team who got relegated. Do we want another player from a relegated team? We took on a gutful from Wigan. OK Gana proves an exception from Villa. The Shite took a Sunderland goalie because he saved hundreds of shots in a crap team and I don't think they are impressed by Mignolet.  I hope Pickford is not a target for us.

Thing is with Mignolet is that at Sunderland he didn't deal with crosses well and made bad mistakes at times... he wasn't actually a good signing regardless of if they'd stayed up or not and a bit of an odd choice for Liverpool
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 15, 2017, 04:43:15 AM
Pickford played for a terrible team who got relegated. Do we want another player from a relegated team? We took on a gutful from Wigan. OK Gana proves an exception from Villa. The Shite took a Sunderland goalie because he saved hundreds of shots in a crap team and I don't think they are impressed by Mignolet.  I hope Pickford is not a target for us.

Roy Keane did alright for Man U. Surely we judge players individually on their merits?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Shogun on May 15, 2017, 05:10:48 AM
Man City being linked with Donnarunna (so) from Milan

Think it's been decided that he's going to stay in Italy and become a legend like Buffon.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 15, 2017, 05:27:48 AM
Think it's been decided that he's going to stay in Italy and become a legend like Buffon.

Yeah read that too. I don't usually believe anything in the transfer pages

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 15, 2017, 05:42:52 AM
Heaton won save of the season
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Rhys on May 15, 2017, 05:52:53 AM
Thing is with hart it wasn't a case of 40m or don't get him. We could have got him on loan and he would have been miles better than the two we've had to choose from. Then we could have had a look up close and decided on if the fee and wages were worth it or not. So for me it was still a bad decision not to do that.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 15, 2017, 05:58:12 AM
Thing is with hart it wasn't a case of 40m or don't get him. We could have got him on loan and he would have been miles better than the two we've had to choose from. Then we could have had a look up close and decided on if the fee and wages were worth it or not. So for me it was still a bad decision not to do that.

The reports were that we were up for it, and then Koeman pulled the plug last minute, weren't they? So maybe it was something about his attitude, like he was above us or doing us a favour, that put Koeman off. Just pure speculation obviously, but it sounded like there was something more to it.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 15, 2017, 06:01:26 AM
The reports were that we were up for it, and then Koeman pulled the plug last minute, weren't they? So maybe it was something about his attitude, like he was above us or doing us a favour, that put Koeman off. Just pure speculation obviously, but it sounded like there was something more to it.

And that IS the risk, bringing in that kind of attitude, on that kind of salary.  Even on a loan, the player had better be really damned good to risk the impact on team chemistry, and I think there was ample evidence going in that Hart was no longer that player.

Hell, based on his 2016-17 season, doesn't seem any better than Robles to me.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Ross on May 15, 2017, 06:49:48 AM
The reports were that we were up for it, and then Koeman pulled the plug last minute, weren't they? So maybe it was something about his attitude, like he was above us or doing us a favour, that put Koeman off. Just pure speculation obviously, but it sounded like there was something more to it.

The irony of Koeman not liking someone with an ego!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 15, 2017, 07:00:57 AM
The irony of Koeman not liking someone with an ego!

An ego that can't/won't back it up.  Likes Rom just fine...
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 15, 2017, 12:13:38 PM
Why did Butland sign a 5 year deal with Stoke though?

Not going to turn down a pay rise when nothing else concrete has come up are you
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ally2 on May 15, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
Not going to turn down a pay rise when nothing else concrete has come up are you

well yes if you can run a contract down, get better wages elsewhere and leave stoke without a five year contract to negotiate out of.  he held the cards so to opt for a 5 year deal over a 3 year one seems odd
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 15, 2017, 03:13:28 PM
well yes if you can run a contract down, get better wages elsewhere and leave stoke without a five year contract to negotiate out of.  he held the cards so to opt for a 5 year deal over a 3 year one seems odd

If a club really wants a player, contracts are irrelevant these days. Yeah the player will cost the buyer more but they'll still pay. How many times does a player sign a new deal only to get off only 1 year in.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 17, 2017, 03:26:17 AM
He's been very good here against Arsenal. Well up for signing him. I'd probably change the bid from 10 to 20 though and not fuck about!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on May 17, 2017, 03:32:03 AM
He's been very good here against Arsenal. Well up for signing him. I'd probably change the bid from 10 to 20 though and not fuck about!
have we bid 10?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 17, 2017, 03:33:05 AM
have we bid 10?

Mirror said we were starting the bid at 10million
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jamokachi on May 17, 2017, 03:33:14 AM
have we bid 10?

According to the rags.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 17, 2017, 03:35:31 AM
Playing well again tonight.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on May 17, 2017, 03:41:22 AM
Playing well again tonight.
im not sure on him.. yeah he looks good because hes facing 20 shots because sunderland are shit.. bound to save at least half of them, and look good
Every GK should be a good shot stopper, thats the minimum requirement - whats he like coming from crosses, how good is his distribution? Can he organise a defence?

Can he be thrown straight in to an Everton XI where the team is expected to fight for the champions league, when he is regularly getting beat at sunderland? Not so sure
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 17, 2017, 03:43:27 AM
Well, I rate him.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 17, 2017, 04:38:13 AM
Well just based on tonight I'd say his distribution is very good and that he seems to command his area well

Made lots of saves and there was not much he could do about the 2 goals he let in

Just because a player is playing for a poor side doesn't mean that he is a poor player. He's young and with the right goalkeeping coaches helping him he could be England's number 1 for the next 10 years

I'm all in for us signing this lad
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on May 17, 2017, 04:46:26 AM
Anyone see that sweet 70 yard half volley?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2017, 05:00:33 AM
Well, I rate him.

Good enough for me
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: chang on May 17, 2017, 05:09:26 AM
Mirror said we were starting the bid at 10million

also said we were told to  fook off!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-open-jordan-pickford-transfer-10415207

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 17, 2017, 05:15:22 AM
also said we were told to  fook off!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-open-jordan-pickford-transfer-10415207



Fair enough really!

Personally I think we should get this one sorted asap, even if we have to over pay. Goalkeeper is a massive position to get sorted and we know that this lad will definitely be available given that they have been relegated
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 17, 2017, 05:29:15 AM
Doesn't he have a rep for being an absolute baller when it comes to distribution?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Shogun on May 17, 2017, 05:31:16 AM
also said we were told to  fook off!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-open-jordan-pickford-transfer-10415207



By the way, you have to change your user name to SportPesa now.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jamokachi on May 17, 2017, 10:31:45 AM
Man of the match against Arsenal.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 17, 2017, 10:33:12 AM
Man of the match against Arsenal.

So...we will up our bid to 12m, ya think?  :D
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Toddacelli on May 17, 2017, 01:37:14 PM
Was listening to TalkShite this morning on the commute in to work.

Ian Abrahams said in a very matter of fact way that Pickford is coming to Everton. He was reporting on the Arsenal match because he had been at the game. The conversation was something like this:

Ray Parlour "So that's the big question – where will Pickford be next season.”

Ian Abrahams “Oh he’ll go to Everton. They’re in the driving seat at the moment – that’s what I understand from talking to people at the game last night.”

The way he said it – sounded like 100% done deal. You have to think that the “people at the game last night” that he spoke to were people within football, given his status as a reporter, rather than just the bloke he was sat next to at the game.
 
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ally2 on May 17, 2017, 02:07:05 PM
Was listening to TalkShite this morning on the commute in to work.

Ian Abrahams said in a very matter of fact way that Pickford is coming to Everton. He was reporting on the Arsenal match because he had been at the game. The conversation was something like this:

Ray Parlour "So that's the big question – where will Pickford be next season.”

Ian Abrahams “Oh he’ll go to Everton. They’re in the driving seat at the moment – that’s what I understand from talking to people at the game last night.”

The way he said it – sounded like 100% done deal. You have to think that the “people at the game last night” that he spoke to were people within football, given his status as a reporter, rather than just the bloke he was sat next to at the game.
 

Thanks.  That Ian Abrahams is absolute proper bellend though
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Toddacelli on May 17, 2017, 03:58:39 PM
Thanks.  That Ian Abrahams is absolute proper bellend though

Almost every single one of them on TalkShite is - but at least it's daily footy talk. Admittedly, mostly about Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool and Man Utd - but we do get mentions sometimes.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Rhys on May 17, 2017, 04:02:34 PM
Doesn't he have a rep for being an absolute baller when it comes to distribution?

Defoe said earlier in the season he is the best keeper he has played with in that respect.

I've seen a few people say his kicking was poor against us but that is the kind of thing where he might have been rusty from being out. There were times it was but there were also times he produced some of the best passes from a keeper I've seen. The clip is going round of that pass last night about 70 yards to Defoe. He did a few of them against us where he launches it flat and hard into defoe's feet. It made it impossible for the defender to challenge for so if the movement is right its a huge asset especially for someone like Rom who isnt great at a big high ball with Shawcross or Huth behind him.

Not that it's the main reason you'd sign a keeper but having someone who can kick it past the half way line would be a big improvement on the current two.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Makis on May 17, 2017, 04:29:28 PM
Goalkeeper kicks is probably one of the easiest issues to fix. Positioning, reflexes etc. are much harder.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2017, 04:35:06 PM
He'd give us an added dimension away from home as at the moment our back five, since Stones left, don't really have the ability to turn defence into attack in one ball, which is what you need to vary your game when we're not at Goodison and which has stuck out like a sore thumb all season.
I know it's not the reason you buy a goalkeeper and I can't understand why he's not on Pep's radar but his all round game doesn't look too bad either to be honest, with his distribution a very handy bonus.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: everton1952 on May 17, 2017, 04:38:50 PM
I heard from a very reliable source that Pickford is ours - provided we take Gibson, Oviedo, Anichibe, Rodwell and Piennaar back.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2017, 04:42:59 PM
I heard from a very reliable source that Pickford is ours - provided we take Gibson, Oviedo, Anichibe, Rodwell and Piennaar back.

Done, as long as we can rinse them through a time machine first and as long as they don't insist on Moyes as well.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Alanvideo on May 17, 2017, 04:44:15 PM
I heard from a very reliable source that Pickford is ours - provided we take Gibson, Oviedo, Anichibe, Rodwell and Piennaar back.
..................throw Lescott in and you've got a deal . Wrap them all in cotton wool for a few weeks and then sell them back to Moyes wherever he pitches up next.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2017, 04:44:56 PM
I heard from a very reliable source that Pickford is ours - provided we take Gibson, Oviedo, Anichibe, Rodwell and Piennaar back.

Poppycock! I heard Pickford is ours, they want McGeady as a part of the deal.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Zoolander on May 17, 2017, 06:29:08 PM
Poppycock! I heard Pickford is ours, they want McGeady as a part of the deal.
Lol
That would like the Sunderland board of directors saying - sure we'll sell him to you, but only if you head over here and punch us all in the face first!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: chang on May 17, 2017, 07:28:29 PM
By the way, you have to change your user name to SportPesa now.

and all me mucky site logins .....
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2017, 07:34:31 PM
and all me mucky site logins .....

<makes note>

What mucky sites are these then?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: cantoffee on May 19, 2017, 10:26:00 PM
Moyes says he wants 30 million for Pickford.

Might as well go out and get a proper top class keeper who is ready made for a top 4 challenge if that's the case.

I'm sure he's just posturing as he always does but wouldn't be surprised if we paid nearly 20 million up front with 5-10 million in add ons.

Not convinced that we can't find another keeper for the same price that is at a higher level or at  least more proven.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 19, 2017, 10:27:27 PM
Moyes can fuck off
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2017, 10:28:24 PM
Wouldn't be trying to harm the lads career by holding him back would he?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blueToffee on May 19, 2017, 10:29:21 PM
Moyes says he wants 30 million for Pickford.

Might as well go out and get a proper top class keeper who is ready made for a top 4 challenge if that's the case.

I'm sure he's just posturing as he always does but wouldn't be surprised if we paid nearly 20 million up front with 5-10 million in add ons.

Not convinced that we can't find another keeper for the same price that is at a higher level or at  least more proven.

I think you have a serious red flag there, as a BBC article points out that'd make him the second most expensive keeper after Buffon's move which would be utterly ridiculous given his game time.

I'd imagine it's more of a they say 30, we say 10 and meet in the middle sort of situations but teams who have been relegated have been emboldened to hold out for top money and getting it (see Sissoko last year).
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on May 19, 2017, 10:45:45 PM
Reckon we will land him for around £20Mish.

Moyes is a weapons grade douche bag.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2017, 10:53:32 PM
To be fair we already rinsed them of about £7m for Gibson and Oviedo wasn't it? Ludicrous prices. I think that was a thank you to Bill for the contract he had when he was here.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on May 19, 2017, 11:12:15 PM
I'd pay it.

I'm not at all comparing him to Buffon, but juve overpaid for him and look at the service he's given them.

You've got your keeper for 10 years there.

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Silas on May 19, 2017, 11:29:26 PM
You pay 20 and then throw in a load of incentives for Sunderland if he plays x amount of games etc that benefits us if he actually manages it. Winner.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: GLewis on May 19, 2017, 11:30:43 PM
I'd pay it.

I'm not at all comparing him to Buffon, but juve overpaid for him and look at the service he's given them.

You've got your keeper for 10 years there.



It's easier to over pay for someone who has a very good track record though.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blue1948 on May 19, 2017, 11:35:36 PM
To be fair we already rinsed them of about £7m for Gibson and Oviedo wasn't it? Ludicrous prices. I think that was a thank you to Bill for the contract he had when he was here.
Gibson ,I agree but please don't slag off Oviedo
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 19, 2017, 11:37:53 PM
Personally I would overpay for him just to get the deal sorted (obvs it's not my money!)

Young player with massive potential who is available in a position we badly need

No brainer for me

20million up front extra 5 if we win the premier league in the next 5 years, and an additional 5mil if we win a European competition in that time as well

Sooner get this type of transfer sorted out rather than negotiate for weeks with Keane and Van Dijks who other Champs League clubs are after and get involved in a bidding war that we ultimately won't win cos the player wants to go elsewhere
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Escla on May 19, 2017, 11:39:48 PM
If Koeman, Walsh and Ludowijks want him and Moshiri is willing to pay whatever it costs to get him then that's fine by me, it's not my money or any of yours is it.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Silas on May 19, 2017, 11:42:06 PM
It's probably the most important we need to fill in the summer so why not get him in ASAP and let him bed through early stage Europa?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 20, 2017, 12:23:31 AM
If Koeman, Walsh and Ludowijks want him and Moshiri is willing to pay whatever it costs to get him then that's fine by me, it's not my money or any of yours is it.

I doubt very much koeman wants him whatever it costs. We have a budget and he'll want the most possible out of it.

People who have no problem spending whatever just arent playing in the real world. Unless you're 1 of the 5 or 6 super rich teams or you're 1 player away from your perfect team spending double the value on players is only gonna see you run out of money without success
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 20, 2017, 12:25:55 AM
I doubt very much koeman wants him whatever it costs. We have a budget and he'll want the most possible out of it.

People who have no problem spending whatever just arent playing in the real world. Unless you're 1 of the 5 or 6 super rich teams or you're 1 player away from your perfect team spending double the value on players is only gonna see you run out of money without success

It's very easy to spend other people's money.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 20, 2017, 12:45:42 AM
It's very easy to spend other people's money.

I just don't understand the it's not our money line. If they are going to invest 100m then it's in our interests that we get the absolute most for it. Getting value should matter to every one of us
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 20, 2017, 12:48:58 AM
If we go "endless wad of cash" I'd throw that at VVD and bargain buy Schmeichel.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: claimabstract on May 20, 2017, 01:33:05 AM
Moyes says he wants 30 million for Pickford.

Not quite really what the article says. From the BBC article:
Quote
When asked if Pickford's asking price would be in the region of £30m, Moyes replied: "Yes."

The reporter could have asked 20M or 40M, and Moyes might have said yes. "In the region of" allows a lot of room for exaggeration. It's a guessing game as to what Sunderland would accept, regardless of what Moyes says.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39980308 (http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39980308)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 20, 2017, 02:16:52 AM
10 million plus the Irish Messi and he's ours
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ally2 on May 20, 2017, 03:10:19 AM
I'd pay it.

I'm not at all comparing him to Buffon, but juve overpaid for him and look at the service he's given them.

You've got your keeper for 10 years there.


You necessarily have to compare to Buffon though.  That argument only works if Pickford turns out to be brilliant.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: toffee_scot on May 20, 2017, 03:31:25 AM
Could be a long protracted saga.

Sunderland are not looking great financially though and having just been relegated, they are not in a strong negotiating position. I expect him to leave for just over £20m.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 20, 2017, 03:51:10 AM
I'd probably overpay for him. But I reckon we won't get anyone in. Fuck Koeman, fuck Moshiri and Fuck Robles for being a shit goalie.

 Tranzfur crankin' to the max @TheRam (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) @Audrey Horne (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=725)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 20, 2017, 03:36:03 PM
You necessarily have to compare to Buffon though.  That argument only works if Pickford turns out to be brilliant.

Or if prices had remained constant over the years
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 20, 2017, 04:59:53 PM
I'd probably overpay for him. But I reckon we won't get anyone in. Fuck Koeman, fuck Moshiri and Fuck Robles for being a shit goalie.

 Tranzfur crankin' to the max @TheRam (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) @Audrey Horne (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=725)

we are shit, Everton that.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheTone on May 20, 2017, 05:50:36 PM
20m minus what they still owe us for Pienaar, Gibbo and Oviedo, so that's 19.9999 million we owe them then
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Rodenplav64 on May 20, 2017, 06:54:28 PM
I just don't understand the it's not our money line. If they are going to invest 100m then it's in our interests that we get the absolute most for it. Getting value should matter to every one of us

 Me neither as it is hardly a cheap day out now never mind when we have a new stadium and a more expensive workforce .
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Meak on May 20, 2017, 07:11:12 PM
Can u fellas answer me something? Why is it when we are linked with ANYONE not English, there's always a fair amount of people who say said player is 'shit' or 'rubbish' or 'not worth it' even if there's only clips of the player, yet when it comes time to sign someone English, even if that person would be one of the most expensive keeper signings ever, no one is slagging him off?

We're honestly considering this price tag for Jordan Pickford when there's probably 50 better options?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 20, 2017, 07:13:05 PM
Yeah I'm not answering that.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 20, 2017, 07:14:51 PM
Yeah I'm not answering that.

Oh go on
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 20, 2017, 07:53:16 PM
Can u fellas answer me something? Why is it when we are linked with ANYONE not English, there's always a fair amount of people who say said player is 'shit' or 'rubbish' or 'not worth it' even if there's only clips of the player, yet when it comes time to sign someone English, even if that person would be one of the most expensive keeper signings ever, no one is slagging him off?

We're honestly considering this price tag for Jordan Pickford when there's probably 50 better options?

Give me the 50 better options and I will give you the answer
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: brap2 on May 20, 2017, 08:17:52 PM
Edit - soz misread, nvm
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ally2 on May 20, 2017, 09:07:41 PM
Give me the 50 better options and I will give you the answer

This is the obvious answer but I do agree with the original point. If we are looking to spend the equivalent of about 30m euros, that gets you into the territory of the best keepers in Europe full stop. You can bully clubs from the inferior leagues and probably go after our equivalent standard of teams keepers in the top leagues with that sort of money.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Major Clanger on May 20, 2017, 10:01:34 PM
Can u fellas answer me something? Why is it when we are linked with ANYONE not English, there's always a fair amount of people who say said player is 'shit' or 'rubbish' or 'not worth it' even if there's only clips of the player, yet when it comes time to sign someone English, even if that person would be one of the most expensive keeper signings ever, no one is slagging him off?

What is funny is that I see the exact opposite happening. Anyone with a foreign name is assumed to be awesome, even if all people have seen are youtube cumshot compilations.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 20, 2017, 10:20:00 PM
I'm not going to go through the 15 pages of this thread, but I bet you there is much more opposition in this thread than there is to talk about schmeichel

Maguire compared to Sandro or Lemos in their respective threads.
Keane noise opposed to Lemos or VVD.


And I reckon there's been more animosity towards Rooney than klaassen.

So, basically, I think you're reading want you want to read.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Meak on May 21, 2017, 05:29:01 AM
Give me the 50 better options and I will give you the answer

Not gonna give u an actual list, but I'll probably say any starting international keeper from South America, Mexico, or big European countries, then quite a few backups. People just jizz themselves over the fact that a player is English. It really is silly.

I'll be honest, I haven't watched much Sunderland this season in the States, I don't hate the guy myself, I hate the fact we might make him one of the highest paid keepers ever and he's from a team that was just relegated. Sure, obviously wasn't all on him due to the interest, but how is it we might end up paying more for him than United paid for De Gea, Atletico paid for Oblak, or more than Arsenal AND Chelsea paid for Cech combined.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 21, 2017, 05:34:40 AM
not gonna give u an actual list, but I'll probably say any starting international keeper from South America, Mexico, or big European countries, then quite a few backups. People just jizz themselves over the fact that a player is English. It really is silly.

I'd say the opposite really. Reckon the NSNO gang are a smart bunch and can see a lot of English players are over hyped. This Pickford lad seems the bizz though
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 21, 2017, 05:38:55 AM
Pretty sure this forum has hung every England player out to dry at some point.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 21, 2017, 05:51:48 AM
Not gonna give u an actual list, but I'll probably say any starting international keeper from South America, Mexico, or big European countries, then quite a few backups. People just jizz themselves over the fact that a player is English. It really is silly.

I'll be honest, I haven't watched much Sunderland this season in the States, I don't hate the guy myself, I hate the fact we might make him one of the highest paid keepers ever and he's from a team that was just relegated. Sure, obviously wasn't all on him due to the interest, but how is it we might end up paying more for him than United paid for De Gea, Atletico paid for Oblak, or more than Arsenal AND Chelsea paid for Cech combined.

Reason for the price = inflation

In theory a player playing for a poor side is a poor player. My initial thoughts were the same as many - he makes lots of saves because Sunderland are poor and he faces lots of shots

After watching him though and studying his game a bit more I've been really impressed. He has lots of great attributes and looks really switched on. He is commanding, has great distribution and is a really good shot stopper

There's not many good goalkeepers available

DeGea,Courtois,Cech, Lloris,Navas,Neuer, Oblak aren't available to us, they wouldn't come here

Pickford would be a risk, of course it would. But it's the market we are dealing in. The lad is available and we can offer him first team football. He's available for about the Same price we paid for Bolasie. Personally I think we should take the risk. He's got resale value that someone like Hart does not

We can't compete with the big boys head to head for signings, even if we have got the money for them nowadays. We will need to make risky signings along the way. I don't really care what nationality they are to be honest and I don't particularly think on this forum posters will favour English players. I'd be just as psyched to get Gigi Donarumma from Milan but again I don't think he's available to us

If this works out he could be our keeper for the next decade. If he doesn't work out we will still make a good portion back of the fee we pay out for him
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 21, 2017, 06:05:25 AM
Reports in tomorrow's press that we have given up on Pickford as we are not prepared to pay the £30m quoted and are going back for Schmiechal
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Shogun on May 21, 2017, 06:08:36 AM
Reports in tomorrow's press that we have given up on Pickford as we are not prepared to pay the £30m quoted and are going back for Schmiechal

Kasper Schmeichel who the press last week reported will cost £30m+, right?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 21, 2017, 06:11:46 AM
Kasper Schmeichel who the press last week reported will cost £30m+, right?

Aye, that'd be the one.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 21, 2017, 06:21:26 AM
Kasper Schmeichel who the press last week reported will cost £30m+, right?

Peter I think.
Title: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Ramjam on May 21, 2017, 10:00:01 AM
Did anyone watch Schmeichels perform against Spurs? No thanks from me
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 21, 2017, 03:07:53 PM
Could be:
- we think schmeichel is worth £30m now, but think Pickford has the potential to justify that, but is too much of a risk to pay it right now
- it's brinkmanship to bring Pickford's price down
- the papers know fuck all and are throwing enough shit at the wall so they can claim to be itk when anything happens
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Silas on May 21, 2017, 03:14:30 PM
If moyes walks as being reported today it might change the Pickford situation.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 21, 2017, 03:15:37 PM
If moyes walks as being reported today it might change the Pickford situation.

In what way? Asking price?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Alanvideo on May 21, 2017, 03:19:26 PM
In what way? Asking price?
.................Yes. Moyes didn't actually say £30m anyway ,it was put to him by a journo and he said yes. As others have said £20m plus add-ons might do it.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 03:27:59 PM
No one should pay over the odds for Pickford. Sunderland are in a weak position in terms of finances, in terms of being relegated and in terms of needing a rebuild infinitely more than they need a 20m goalkeeping prospect. We are possibly the best side he would actually get to play for. We should be paying 15m for a 20m pound player here not bloody 30
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on May 21, 2017, 03:49:02 PM
Is 30mil really over the odds for what could be your keeper for the next 10 years?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 21, 2017, 04:00:19 PM
Is 30mil really over the odds for what could be your keeper for the next 10 years?

In the current market I don't think so. It's a position that we badly need sorting

Sooner splash out big and potentially get the position sorted for a decade then spend 5-10 million on a Wayne Hennessey (solid keeper @Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) I know!nothing wrong with a Welsh keeper!) and have to replace in a few years

The market is what it is. If we did sell Lukaku for £100mil could you really argue if we paid 30mil for a young keeper?

Or say Lacazette was available for 80million and wanted to come to us (I know that he doesn't!) would you really think well Shane Long would represent better value for money and he's only 10million

Fuck that shit
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2017, 04:01:48 PM
It is for a keeper who could be a flash in the pan, lets not forget that Minolet looked like s very good keeper at Sunderland, he's very average.

Not for one second saying Pickford is the same but we still need to be careful, 20 million would be a fair offer
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 21, 2017, 04:15:18 PM
Ultimately, at times we're going to have to pay over the odds to get certain deals over the line.

That's not to say we should do away with value for money in other situations (like Sandro) but if we're up against more successful or prestigious clubs in the market, the reality is that we'll have to pay to have a chance of getting some players.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 21, 2017, 04:16:21 PM
In the current market I don't think so. It's a position that we badly need sorting

Sooner splash out big and potentially get the position sorted for a decade then spend 5-10 million on a Wayne Hennessey (solid keeper @Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) I know!nothing wrong with a Welsh keeper!) and have to replace in a few years

The market is what it is. If we did sell Lukaku for £100mil could you really argue if we paid 30mil for a young keeper?

Or say Lacazette was available for 80million and wanted to come to us (I know that he doesn't!) would you really think well Shane Long would represent better value for money and he's only 10million

Fuck that shit

I agree. Keeper is such an important position that we have to get this right. I'm not adverse to spending that amount on Pickford. It's clear he has talent,he has the potential to really develop and will do that with better coaching and playing with a better defence. The reality is if we want to be up with the big boys then we need to take some chances. But for every £30m Pickford there can be a £7m Gueye.

And I would gladly spend £100m on Hennessy - just joking. £10m tops
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Silas on May 21, 2017, 04:18:49 PM
I think the argument is we could go abroad and get cheaper quality and of course we could but there's obviously a risk to those keepers coming into the prem and not making it as well. Pickford represents a calculated risk that even if he didn't pan out, would retain a decent value because he's a premier league keeper.

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 21, 2017, 04:19:42 PM
I agree. Keeper is such an important position that we have to get this right. I'm not adverse to spending that amount on Pickford. It's clear he has talent,he has the potential to really develop and will do that with better coaching and playing with a better defence. The reality is if we want to be up with the big boys then we need to take some chances. But for every £30m Pickford there can be a £7m Gueye.

And I would gladly spend £100m on Hennessy - just joking. £10m tops

Would it mean anything to you if I told you Pickford's nan once went out with someone who went on holiday to Wales as a child?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Coyb12 on May 21, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
I wouldn't pay anywhere near 30mill for pickford myself,got to better out there for that money.



Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 21, 2017, 04:25:31 PM
I do actually think that we will get him for less than 30mil btw unless it gets into a bidding war
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ally2 on May 21, 2017, 04:27:59 PM
I've no problem with us over spending but he hasn't proved himself enough yet.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 21, 2017, 04:30:47 PM
Would it mean anything to you if I told you Pickford's nan once went out with someone who went on holiday to Wales as a child?

Depends where it was
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2017, 04:54:20 PM
Depends where it was

Prestatyn, every Scousers fav bit of Wales
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 05:03:55 PM
30m is a ridiculous fee for him. He's not got a lot of games under his belt. Sunderland really need to sell. Is he really such a talent that we should be paying a near world record fee for his potential.

He won't go for more than 20 and yet people want us just to hand Sunderland another 50% on top. He's good not great. There's other options for us and in reality we might be the best team interested in making him a starter
I just think people are so desperate to make signings they are happy for us just to piss our money away
Sooner we had patience and got good deals than just threw money at everyone to get them in quick
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 21, 2017, 05:18:42 PM
Prestatyn, every Scousers fav bit of Wales

That's not Wales - that's Goggsville. No wonder you Scousers have a poor perception of us if that's what your basing your assessment on
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on May 21, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
That's not Wales - that's Goggsville. No wonder you Scousers have a poor perception of us if that's what your basing your assessment on

There is a cracking pontins there though.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2017, 05:21:36 PM
That's not Wales - that's Goggsville. No wonder you Scousers have a poor perception of us if that's what your basing your assessment on

Towyn?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 21, 2017, 05:51:33 PM
Towyn?

Nah, anywhere where they spit on you as they talk and sound like they've got a bad cold is no good. Basically the best places are Cardiff and Tenby
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: claimabstract on May 21, 2017, 06:00:46 PM
30m is a ridiculous fee for him. He's not got a lot of games under his belt. Sunderland really need to sell. Is he really such a talent that we should be paying a near world record fee for his potential.

He won't go for more than 20 and yet people want us just to hand Sunderland another 50% on top. He's good not great. There's other options for us and in reality we might be the best team interested in making him a starter
I just think people are so desperate to make signings they are happy for us just to piss our money away
Sooner we had patience and got good deals than just threw money at everyone to get them in quick

I hear there are good deals on September 1. Let's just wait and see what's available. Were David Moyes not on the other end of this, he'd approve.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 21, 2017, 06:29:51 PM
Can honestly say that as Sunderland are so shit to watch, the only time I've seen him play was against us.

Genuinely no idea if he's any good.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 06:35:56 PM
I hear there are good deals on September 1. Let's just wait and see what's available. Were David Moyes not on the other end of this, he'd approve.

Maybe just give them 100m for pickford then all our business is done and there's nowt to worry about.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Silas on May 21, 2017, 07:11:01 PM
There's not a chance we will pay 30 outright but we may well pay 20 building up to 30 with a number of clauses. If he proves good enough in that time then I have no issue with that
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 21, 2017, 07:14:50 PM
£30m buys world class keepers, not ones who've had one good season of premier league football. Irrespective of nationality.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
There's not a chance we will pay 30 outright but we may well pay 20 building up to 30 with a number of clauses. If he proves good enough in that time then I have no issue with that

I do. If he's value is 20 then it should be 20 total. Yes he might prove to be worth 30 but there's no clauses for if he proves to be worth 5.
The clauses should be risk vs reward. We should get to pay less with the possibility of paying more if he's good. Not pay the fee and then some more if he does well. This is what happened with martial at Utd. They paid over the odds and then loads of clauses on top. Yes if they pay some of them he'll be worth it but no one buys a lottery ticket for a 10er and a promise to give a million back should they win.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Major Clanger on May 21, 2017, 07:22:11 PM
£30m buys world class keepers, not ones who've had one good season of premier league football. Irrespective of nationality.

World class keepers can also pick and choose where they want to play, regardless of fee.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Ross on May 21, 2017, 07:23:23 PM
I do. If he's value is 20 then it should be 20 total. Yes he might prove to be worth 30 but there's no clauses for if he proves to be worth 5.
The clauses should be risk vs reward. We should get to pay less with the possibility of paying more if he's good. Not pay the fee and then some more if he does well. This is what happened with martial at Utd. They paid over the odds and then loads of clauses on top. Yes if they pay some of them he'll be worth it but no one buys a lottery ticket for a 10er and a promise to give a million back should they win.

You do know the lads keepie uppie record is 63 don't you? He's totally worth it.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 21, 2017, 07:32:41 PM
This threads gone off its head.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 07:35:45 PM
World class keepers can also pick and choose where they want to play, regardless of fee.

If we can't get worldclass players then we don't pay worldclass money
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 07:36:32 PM
You do know the lads keepie uppie record is 63 don't you? He's totally worth it.

63 ain't that good. Lukaku could have managed that on that video where he appeared pissed
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on May 21, 2017, 07:41:10 PM
If we can't get worldclass players then we don't pay worldclass money

Mate, just the other week you were saying we should expect more than 20mil for McCarthy citing inflation and the madness of the transfer market these days.

Personally think you're perspective of the transfer market is massively off tilt.

We want Pickford, they want the most they can get, hence the 30mil price tag. Doesn't mean we'll spend it and if we do get him they'll be a compromise of something like 20mil upfront rising to 30.

However, when you want a player sometimes you have to overpay. 30mil really isn't that much for a 23 years old goalkeeper with massive potential and touted for the top of the game. Especially when you consider how the market has inflated in recent years, something you continually mention when it comes to us selling players.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Major Clanger on May 21, 2017, 07:48:43 PM
If we can't get worldclass players then we don't pay worldclass money

As the example of Man City proves, that's not quite how this industry works.

If you can't get world class players, you usually need to pay a lot for not-quite world class ones to take you to the point where you can start to get them.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 08:05:32 PM
Mate, just the other week you were saying we should expect more than 20mil for McCarthy citing inflation and the madness of the transfer market these days.

Personally think you're perspective of the transfer market is massively off tilt.

We want Pickford, they want the most they can get, hence the 30mil price tag. Doesn't mean we'll spend it and if we do get him they'll be a compromise of something like 20mil upfront rising to 30.

However, when you want a player sometimes you have to overpay. 30mil really isn't that much for a 23 years old goalkeeper with massive potential and touted for the top of the game. Especially when you consider how the market has inflated in recent years, something you continually mention when it comes to us selling players.

We shall see. We'll get close to 20m for McCarthy and Sunderland won't get more than 20 for Pickford in my opinion. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 08:08:10 PM
As the example of Man City proves, that's not quite how this industry works.

If you can't get world class players, you usually need to pay a lot for not-quite world class ones to take you to the point where you can start to get them.

Is that Pickford? Not quite world class? Are Sunderland in a position to demand over the odds

As for 30m not being a lot it would make him the 2nd most expensive keeper ever. It's a ridiculous fee. Sure there's others that are similar (like the 48m we got for stones) doesn't mean we have to be stupid too.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Major Clanger on May 21, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
Is that Pickford? Not quite world class? Are Sunderland in a position to demand over the odds

As for 30m not being a lot it would make him the 2nd most expensive keeper ever. It's a ridiculous fee. Sure there's others that are similar (like the 48m we got for stones) doesn't mean we have to be stupid too.

I don't know how you've got yourself in such a twist over something you really can't do anything about.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 08:16:49 PM
I don't know how you've got yourself in such a twist over something you really can't do anything about.

I couldn't care much less to be honest. Just think the standpoint of let's pay over the odds for everyone (and it is absolutely everyone people want us to throw extra at) is ridiculous. Luckily we've got people negotiating these deals that want to negotiate. So it doesn't really matter. Bloody 30m for a relegated player from a club suffering financially, 2nd most expensive keeper ever and we should pay what they started the negotiations at? I don't care because luckily none of us get a say. I just find the opinion of let's piss our money away a bit daft
Citing city more so. They threw away a couple of 100m seeing what would stick. We'd run out twice going down their route
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Major Clanger on May 21, 2017, 08:25:19 PM
I couldn't care much less to be honest. Just think the standpoint of let's pay over the odds for everyone (and it is absolutely everyone people want us to throw extra at) is ridiculous. Luckily we've got people negotiating these deals that want to negotiate. So it doesn't really matter. Bloody 30m for a relegated player from a club suffering financially, 2nd most expensive keeper ever and we should pay what they started the negotiations at? I don't care because luckily none of us get a say. I just find the opinion of let's piss our money away a bit daft
Citing city more so. They threw away a couple of 100m seeing what would stick. We'd run out twice going down their route

It's not like we've got any input into the decisions, is it?

It doesn't matter one fucking jot whether we agree with paying 30m for Pickford or any player.

The City observation was simply an illustration of the basic fact that when you're desperate for better players (and we are), and everybody knows you've got tons of money to spend (and they do), then more often than not you get rinsed.

Whether you like it or not, in fact.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 21, 2017, 08:45:12 PM
No chance we will get £20m for McCarthy. We will break even on him, inflation doesn't impact on his general shitness and nonexistent fitness.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blueToffee on May 21, 2017, 08:45:22 PM
5. Jan Oblak - £12.6m to Atletico Madrid
4. Angelo Peruzzi - £15.7m to Lazio
3. David de Gea - £18m to Manchester United
2. Manuel Neuer - £19m to Bayern Munich
1. Gianluigi Buffon - £33m to Juventus

The most recent of those would be Oblak, and underlines there should be more proven talent out there for less. However, the closest in terms of overpaying for a prospect would be De Gea, and that price was going on 6 years now and things have inflated since then.

The worry for me is less the difference between 20 mil and 30 mil but rather, is he really ready to command a defence that hopefully will be challenging higher up the league? Would we be better off going for a player in the mold of our Schneiderlin transfer who can be ready day 1?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on May 21, 2017, 08:47:28 PM
5. Jan Oblak - £12.6m to Atletico Madrid
4. Angelo Peruzzi - £15.7m to Lazio
3. David de Gea - £18m to Manchester United
2. Manuel Neuer - £19m to Bayern Munich
1. Gianluigi Buffon - £33m to Juventus

The most recent of those would be Oblak, and underlines there should be more proven talent out there for less. However, the closest in terms of overpaying for a prospect would be De Gea, and that price was going on 6 years now and things have inflated since then.

The worry for me is less the difference between 20 mil and 30 mil but rather, is he really ready to command a defence that hopefully will be challenging higher up the league?

Angelo peruzzi, loved him.

Didn't courtious go for about 20mil?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 21, 2017, 08:55:08 PM
Angelo peruzzi, loved him.

Didn't courtious go for about 20mil?

One of the main reasons I was looking forward to the Vieri World Cup was to watch him in goal. I think he got injured before the first game and didn't feature in the tournament. Pagliuca (sp) was boss though.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blueToffee on May 21, 2017, 08:55:17 PM
Angelo peruzzi, loved him.

Didn't courtious go for about 20mil?

Hmm, maybe that list is outdated. Seemed like he was bought by Chelsea for 8 mil from Genk...and then they loaned him out for ages to Atletico Madrid didn't they? So no more transfer fees after that. In fact, they've probably made a ton of money in loan fees to cover that initial outlay.

And yes, Peruzzi was ace :)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 09:12:29 PM
Angelo peruzzi, loved him.

Didn't courtious go for about 20mil?

Not even sure where he came from. I assumed they'd picked him up for next to nowt
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 21, 2017, 10:15:37 PM
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Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 21, 2017, 10:16:00 PM
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Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 21, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
ha wrong thread
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: claimabstract on May 21, 2017, 11:58:25 PM
There is no such thing as a set price. Every player has different characteristics that appeal to different teams. Age, speed (position-dependent), defensiveness, attack-mindedness, ego, injury record, AFCON eligible, whether the player speaks the native tongue of the team, etc. See Bravo as an example. In addition, timing is a lot. Getting players in early and settled into your team well before the season starts is worth money. Denying other teams access to said player, even if that player is not going to be utilized greatly in your team. Keeping a key component of your team as a seller heavily weighs in. There are certainly things I'm missing that also factor in. Price is simply whatever someone is willing to pay for a player, and sell the player for, at a particular time.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 22, 2017, 12:02:21 AM
There is no such thing as a set price. Every player has different characteristics that appeal to different teams. Age, speed (position-dependent), defensiveness, attack-mindedness, ego, injury record, AFCON eligible, whether the player speaks the native tongue of the team, etc. See Bravo as an example. In addition, timing is a lot. Getting players in early and settled into your team well before the season starts is worth money. Denying other teams access to said player, even if that player is not going to be utilized greatly in your team. Keeping a key component of your team as a seller heavily weighs in. There are certainly things I'm missing that also factor in. Price is simply whatever someone is willing to pay for a player, and sell the player for, at a particular time.

Well of course. That's why we are debating price. Because it's not set
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: claimabstract on May 22, 2017, 12:07:02 AM
I do. If he's value is 20 then it should be 20 total.

You seemed to imply that people have set values, hence my previous post.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 22, 2017, 12:17:47 AM
You seemed to imply that people have set values, hence my previous post.

Wasn't my intention. I read the comment I replied to more as if he was worth 20 but they had no problem with clauses on top.

Of course he has no set value. I just think we are in a very strong position on this 1 given sunderlands finances and relegation and we should drive a hard bargain. It's all opinions as to what that means but I doubt anyone would think we got a good deal at 30m. Not without hindsight anyway
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: GLewis on May 22, 2017, 12:39:38 AM
5. Jan Oblak - £12.6m to Atletico Madrid
4. Angelo Peruzzi - £15.7m to Lazio
3. David de Gea - £18m to Manchester United
2. Manuel Neuer - £19m to Bayern Munich
1. Gianluigi Buffon - £33m to Juventus

The most recent of those would be Oblak, and underlines there should be more proven talent out there for less. However, the closest in terms of overpaying for a prospect would be De Gea, and that price was going on 6 years now and things have inflated since then.

The worry for me is less the difference between 20 mil and 30 mil but rather, is he really ready to command a defence that hopefully will be challenging higher up the league? Would we be better off going for a player in the mold of our Schneiderlin transfer who can be ready day 1?

Even then de Gea was playing for Atlético regularly not one season at a terrible Sunderland side.

If we decide £25-30m is his value fine; but I'd be amazed if we paid that as his career has so little evidence.

Buffon was a top class keeper who'd won European trophies and played in a World Cup for a good side at a time when Serie A was an incredibly tough league. There's no comparison of over paying.

Pickford isn't even the equivalent of when we signed Lukaku.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: claimabstract on May 22, 2017, 04:28:52 AM
I just think we are in a very strong position on this 1 given sunderlands finances and relegation and we should drive a hard bargain. It's all opinions as to what that means but I doubt anyone would think we got a good deal at 30m. Not without hindsight anyway
There's a point at which Sunderland would sell. Who knows what that is, but it could all go out the window if another team is interested. Free market economics come into play.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 22, 2017, 04:26:07 PM
If you think we're expecting to sell McCarthy for £20m, then spending say £25m on a keeper (who could make a massive difference to the team) really doesn't seem so bad or excessive.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 22, 2017, 04:34:39 PM
If you think we're expecting to sell McCarthy for £20m, then spending say £25m on a keeper (who could make a massive difference to the team) really doesn't seem so bad or excessive.

We would not sell McCarthy. His injury records has diminished his value. We wouldn't get what we bought him for despite him now being in his prime.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 22, 2017, 04:37:16 PM
We would not sell McCarthy. His injury records has diminished his value. We wouldn't get what we bought him for despite him now being in his prime.

Disagree there. Think Koeman is tired of the entire thing with Ireland, and the injuries, and I also think the market has inflated significantly since McCarthy joined us. There's copious amounts of links with him moving away for a fee in the £20m range, and I could well see Newcastle or someone of that ilk buying him.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Ross on May 22, 2017, 04:43:10 PM
Disagree there. Think Koeman is tired of the entire thing with Ireland, and the injuries, and I also think the market has inflated significantly since McCarthy joined us. There's copious amounts of links with him moving away for a fee in the £20m range, and I could well see Newcastle or someone of that ilk buying him.

Koeman said last week he doesn't want McCarthy to leave.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Makis on May 22, 2017, 04:51:23 PM
Doesn't really matter what the club says. Reality is, Sunderland plays in the Championship next season and if Pickford says he doesn't fancy that he will be sold. Even if he doesn't it's quite likely because the club is financially in dire straits. Huge debts and big wage bill plus no TV money is recipe for disaster. Unless they take drastic action this summer they might well drop another division in the near future.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Gash on May 22, 2017, 07:42:15 PM
Disagree there. Think Koeman is tired of the entire thing with Ireland, and the injuries, and I also think the market has inflated significantly since McCarthy joined us. There's copious amounts of links with him moving away for a fee in the £20m range, and I could well see Newcastle or someone of that ilk buying him.

Koeman said the other day he wants to keep McCarthy. I think if a reasonable offer came in we'd be tempted to sell though.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/want-keep-james-mccarthy-everton-13063377
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 22, 2017, 07:46:41 PM
Arghhhhhhhhh!

Can we have a moratorium on refering to ex-managers who's surname begins with M.

Please. For fucks sake.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: hill135 on May 22, 2017, 07:47:23 PM
I still don't actually know if Pickford's any good or not but I'm encouraged to hear about his reputation as a very able distributor. I'm sick of the sight of Joel / Stek passing it short to the weaker foot of one of the cloggers we have at the back only for them to be pressed, shit their pants, pass it back to the keeper who mashes it up the pitch and sees us lose the ball.

Not to sound like Roberto Martinez but we really need to learn how to play out from the back better and for that I think we'll need a new GK and central defenders.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 22, 2017, 11:54:54 PM
Can't see anyone apart from QPR 3 years ago paying £20m for McCarthy.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on May 23, 2017, 12:21:13 AM
Can't see anyone apart from QPR 3 years ago paying £20m for McCarthy.

Newcastle very well might. Thats what we will demand.

In todays market thats actually a steal.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ally2 on May 23, 2017, 12:33:48 AM
And palace
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 23, 2017, 01:01:29 AM
They'd be insane to pay £1m per game.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on May 23, 2017, 01:13:36 AM
Newcastle very well might. Thats what we will demand.

In todays market thats actually a steal.

Apparently they have 100 million to spend. That's more than us. Don't understand how.

If they buy him, we should ask 30 mill plus.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 23, 2017, 01:28:10 AM
Nobody is going to pay £20m for McCarthy.

Not worth that even in an inflated market.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on May 23, 2017, 01:35:04 AM
Nobody is going to pay £20m for McCarthy.

Not worth that even in an inflated market.

I think you are wrong.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 23, 2017, 01:37:38 AM
Nobody is going to pay £20m for McCarthy.

Not worth that even in an inflated market.
Apparently Newcastle offered that in January
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 23, 2017, 01:37:45 AM
Nobody is going to pay £20m for McCarthy.

Not worth that even in an inflated market.

Bet you a fiver?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 23, 2017, 01:38:13 AM
Bet you a fiver?
Ill take that bet.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: BlueForYou on May 23, 2017, 02:03:14 AM
Buy Pickford - with the World Cup next year, he'll want/need first team football at a Premiership club


(Sell McCarthy - £20m? Good business for the seller!)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 23, 2017, 02:09:02 AM
Buy Pickford - with the World Cup next year, he'll want/need first team football at a Premiership club


(Sell McCarthy - £20m? Good business for the seller!)

I'm not saying that McCarthy is worth £20m by the way. That's just the price I've seen quoted in a lot of the random rumours about him leaving.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on May 31, 2017, 01:02:42 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-jordan-pickford-sunderland-bid-13114060
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 31, 2017, 01:14:19 PM
£8m lolol

Wasn't long ago we were berating a club for making an 'insulting and derisory offer' to us.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 31, 2017, 01:15:37 PM
Why bid that low? Fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on May 31, 2017, 01:26:27 PM
30 mill is too much for Pickford at this stage of proceedings. He's a very good young keeper but asking for that much is "extensive", to say the least. Butland looks like he's come back from injury no less a quality keeper and Thirty mill for him would be appropriate. Heaton from Burnley could be another option open to us. Offering 8 mill for Pickford is a complete farce and we need to be more realistic in the transfer market. :)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on May 31, 2017, 01:33:26 PM
£30m? Upfront? Not with addons? Yeah, not happening. Not just for us - anyone
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 31, 2017, 01:36:03 PM
20 million with and an extra couple in addons

Simple really
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on May 31, 2017, 01:40:25 PM
We obviously think we can get him cheap with them going down.

8mil is ridiculous though and quite insulting.

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 31, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
I think 15 which is apparently what we'll go to is about right. No add ons either. That's what he's worth. If they want more on top of he does well then we should get some money back if he's shite
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 31, 2017, 01:53:02 PM
It's never been about how much a player is worth - it's always been about how much a selling club simply can't refuse.

That £8m bid makes me quite apprehensive. It's easy to be decisive when you have City's money and can just ask a club to name their price but that bid is so out of the realms of reality the board need to have a serious fucking word with themselves.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 31, 2017, 01:57:07 PM
We must have bid 8 for a reason? Really strange number.

I'm surprised that Burnley conceded so many shots last season.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Confucius on May 31, 2017, 02:15:05 PM
Makes sense really. They a relegated team. You start low.

Also, we have a former Arsenal shareholder in charge. And you know how Wenger bids. Most likely offer them 10M and 4 dollars
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Robioto on May 31, 2017, 03:13:19 PM
£8m? If that's true that's up there with the Moyes bid for Baines and Fellaini.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 31, 2017, 03:33:04 PM
Unless they know something more about Sunderland's financial situation that we don't.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on May 31, 2017, 03:54:45 PM
Unless they know something more about Sunderland's financial situation that we don't.

Never thought of that one, possibly a reason. But we did something similar with Schneiderlin in January didn't we which then led to Koemans outburst in the media.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: everton1952 on May 31, 2017, 03:56:46 PM
Why castigate the club for making a low bid (£8m?) for Pickford based on a journalist's  article in the Liverpool Echo?  What does the Echo know? About the same as the Daily Star probably, i.e. zilch.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 31, 2017, 04:14:24 PM
Never thought of that one, possibly a reason. But we did something similar with Schneiderlin in January didn't we which then led to Koemans outburst in the media.

To be fair to the club on that one Utd tried to intimate Schneiderlin had increased in value despite hardly playing for 18 months. We were right to argue the point that if anything his value had dropped slightly, or stayed the same at best. So in the end we agreed a sensible deal.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheTone on May 31, 2017, 04:24:29 PM
Noone else seems to be bidding for him so if we are the only interested club then that will stand in our favour in terms of price

That echo website is absolute shite by the way, I assume it hasn't changed since the last time I clicked into a link to that rag, I swerve it at all costs now, too many pop ups and the colour red fucking everywhere
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Tinga on May 31, 2017, 05:56:10 PM
Is £8m really that low?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_(association_football)#Highest_fees

Looking at this, would that price not reflect a young goalkeeper who has one season in the Premier League?.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Ross on May 31, 2017, 06:21:00 PM
Is £8m really that low?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_(association_football)#Highest_fees

Looking at this, would that price not reflect a young goalkeeper who has one season in the Premier League?.

No and let's be honest it's only an opening bid to test the water.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: stirlingblue on May 31, 2017, 06:36:34 PM

I'm surprised that Burnley conceded so many shots last season.


I remember seeing some analysis kicking round somewhere about how they chose to concede many 'poor' shots by covering the edges of the goal and forcing opposing strikers to only be able to shoot relatively centrally.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 31, 2017, 06:37:15 PM
Is £8m really that low?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_(association_football)#Highest_fees

Looking at this, would that price not reflect a young goalkeeper who has one season in the Premier League?.
Doesn't matter what we think he's worth or what historically a player of his experience is worth...it's what Sunderland are willing to accept.

We're going to have to meet teams valuations if we want to bring in our targets,or we'll have another summer of disappointment. I'm a bit concerned about the apparent naivety of the board, assuming this bid is true, of course.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Tinga on May 31, 2017, 06:42:07 PM
No and let's be honest it's only an opening bid to test the water.

Wait you're telling me we shouldn't open the bid at 20 million and Robles?.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 31, 2017, 06:43:05 PM
This thread values Pickford some where between 8m and 30m from various quoted sources

So, taking a logical approach, 30m-8m = 22m difference.

Splitting the difference: 50% of 22m is 11m.

So taking the low ball value 8m, adding the difference 11m, we get a total of 19m.

This is how much Pickford will cost. 19m (and a box of curly wurlies).

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on May 31, 2017, 07:00:27 PM
Cash plus McGeady
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Ross on May 31, 2017, 07:08:35 PM
Wait you're telling me we shouldn't open the bid at 20 million and Robles?.

I'd say offer them Stekelenburg but we don't want to make matters worse here.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheTone on May 31, 2017, 07:13:18 PM
Cash plus McGeady

telling them they owe us 8m would really be taking the piss
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on May 31, 2017, 07:22:13 PM
We could offer them Robles in part-exchange maybe? I'd like to keep Stek as he has nice hair.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: kramer0 on May 31, 2017, 08:41:05 PM
Not that anyone will have this sort of knowledge about how the club runs but... is Kenwright still in charge of negotiating transfers?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on May 31, 2017, 08:42:55 PM
Not that anyone will have this sort of knowledge on how the club runs but... is Kenwright still in charge of negotiating transfers?

From what I know, yes. Him and Elstone.

That's not me being ITK but I'm sure It's been reported locally that Kenwright and Elstone still negotiate the transfers
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: brap2 on May 31, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
From what I understand he is unfortunately still very involved across the board, as are some incumbent members of the board and operations team.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: kramer0 on May 31, 2017, 08:48:39 PM
From what I know, yes. Him and Elstone.

That's not me being ITK but I'm sure It's been reported locally that Kenwright and Elstone still negotiate the transfers

Thanks. I thought I read that somewhere but I wasn't entirely sure.

So unless the player is unattached or has a release clause, we won't be getting any deals done early. Good to know.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 31, 2017, 09:00:39 PM
Thanks. I thought I read that somewhere but I wasn't entirely sure.

So unless the player is unattached or has a release clause, we won't be getting any deals done early. Good to know.

It is, in a resigned kind of way, good to know.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: bluestevie on May 31, 2017, 10:04:54 PM
Read somewhere that Sunderland still owe us money for the Gibson and Oviedo deals. As far as Pickford and the £8m offer, while it is low I don't think we should go anywhere too north of what they want as he simply isn't a £30m player. I think they may settle for £18-20m and one of our young lads on a loan, it's the one area we shouldn't gamble a huge transfer fee on as it's a position that needs filling for a good 5-10 years
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: smellybum on May 31, 2017, 10:22:42 PM
Just get it done. £15m plus the Stek and write off what they owe us for Gibson and Oviedo*. Job done. If the manager really wants him, then get it done, and move onto the more pressing issues like CB and the forward line.

*obviously I have no idea what they are asking for but I think we can get the gist.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on May 31, 2017, 11:21:06 PM
According to this we've bought Forster for 16 million. A twitter post though. :)


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Forster done. Working on Rooney, VVD, and Koulibaly.</p>&mdash; Shez Online Investor (@ShezOneCoin) May 30, 2017 (https://twitter.com/ShezOneCoin/status/869619754507657216)
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Didn't realise there was a Fraser Forster thread. Obviously this can be moved if preferable.
Title: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/13/everton-close-agreeing-30m-deal-jordan-pickford/
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Shogun on June 13, 2017, 02:48:49 PM
Con is going to love this.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Alanvideo on June 13, 2017, 02:52:34 PM
Can imagine Joel Robles choking over his coffee and churros when he sees this. Good news for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Toffee1 on June 13, 2017, 03:00:09 PM
Can imagine Joel Robles choking over his coffee and churros when he sees this. Good news for the rest of us.

And then dropping the bowl but is that out of shock or just his usual handling skills?
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 13, 2017, 03:03:01 PM
In before the 'not worth 30m' shouts!
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: TheTone on June 13, 2017, 03:08:07 PM
20m odd plus add ons sounds a right bargain to me
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: alexb on June 13, 2017, 03:15:23 PM
Awesome news.

To celebrate, does anyone have the "oh my fucking god" gif?
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: TheTone on June 13, 2017, 03:17:00 PM
Awesome news.

To celebrate, does anyone have the "oh my fucking god" gif?

too busy looking for a 'ah for fuck sake' one in the Sandro thread
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Toffee1 on June 13, 2017, 03:18:14 PM
Awesome news.

To celebrate, does anyone have the "oh my fucking god" gif?

Best I could find quickly

<iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/gCoo7uoZfbFi8" width="480" height="270" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p>via GIPHY (https://giphy.com/gifs/wil-wheaton-so-happy-you-are-beautiful-gCoo7uoZfbFi8)</p>

Sorry still working out how to embed these properly.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 03:18:46 PM
All seems to be hotting up now. I reckon Steve Walsh has had to get a caffeine drip installed to carry around with him the past week.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Jamokachi on June 13, 2017, 03:28:19 PM
I'll be very happy to see this done.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 03:28:34 PM
See we hear nothing for a week or two, and some went crazy! Koeman gets back from hol and it all kicks off
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Big Ron will have walked into Finch Farm and asked what the fuck is going on and everyone will have quickly closed down facebook, spat their tea out and started running around making phone calls again. Good to see a bit of action now though.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: hill135 on June 13, 2017, 03:36:58 PM
Sounds fuckin' expensive to me.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: TSGun on June 13, 2017, 03:40:45 PM
A bit over the top but still happy if it happens.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 03:43:48 PM
It will be be based on addons, probably 20 million, the rest if we win the league etc
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2017, 03:47:02 PM
The Echo's top notch investigative journos have learned to copy and paste:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jordan-pickford-everton-fee-agreed-13176967
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2017, 03:51:52 PM
Boss.

Looks like we're getting the four players Koeman wanted in for pre season.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Jamokachi on June 13, 2017, 03:54:00 PM
Sounds fuckin' expensive to me.

Not if he's our keeper for the next 10+ years
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 03:56:14 PM
It'll only be expensive if he doesn't turn out to be any good. Don't forget he's pretty unproven at this level, he just had a decent run where he was asked to save about 20 shots per game and he saved a decent proportion of them but let in the rest, which is why they finished bottom.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: Toffee1 on June 13, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
Big Ron will have walked into Finch Farm and asked what the fuck is going on and everyone will have quickly closed down facebook, spat their tea out and started running around making phone calls again. Good to see a bit of action now though.

And stopped looking at the Kym Marsh NSFW thread.
Title: Re: Pickford nearly done
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 13, 2017, 04:03:08 PM
Not been this excited about signing a goalkeeper since ever!

Weird feeling.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Tinga on June 13, 2017, 04:26:33 PM
.....a real goalkeeper lads? finally.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: bigmanbob on June 13, 2017, 04:28:49 PM
Nobody has signed yet, but it looks like we have learnt our lessons and not fanny'd around till the last weeks of the window. Me likey
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 04:31:16 PM
With one year left on his contract you'd think Robles will be looking to move this summer then. How much? £5m? Seeing as normal values have been totally inflated this summer with all this money sloshing around.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D_murph0278 on June 13, 2017, 04:32:49 PM
With one year left on his contract you'd think Robles will be looking to move this summer then. How I much? £5m? Seeing as normal values have been totally inflated this summer with all this money sloshing around.

I'd look to keep Robles and fuck Stekelenburg off.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Rhys on June 13, 2017, 04:34:41 PM
SSN saying 30m bid accepted for him.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 04:35:30 PM

I'd look to keep Robles and fuck Stekelenburg off.

I'm not so sure he'll want to be an understudy for the next 10 years though. I may be wrong but I reckon last season will have whetted his appetite to actually play football for a living.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 04:41:53 PM
Yellow breaking news ticker thing on Ssn, shit just got real!!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 04:43:18 PM
Quite strange having a goalie as our record signing
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Tinga on June 13, 2017, 04:45:33 PM
Quite strange having a goalie as our record signing

Nah just wait til we sign James Rodriguez later this month.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MIG on June 13, 2017, 04:45:41 PM
£30m agreed with Sunderland but how long until we get Pickford himself to sign up if he is away on international duty?

People saying £30m is too much , we may have been able to get better value outside the Premier League but for one of the two most promising young keepers in the league in todays market I would say £30m is pretty much bang on.  If the gamble pays off we could be looking at our number 1 for the next 15 years.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Toffee1 on June 13, 2017, 04:47:25 PM
Quite strange having a goalie as our record signing

Good feeling though, with all due respect to them as they did a job, better than being linked and signing players like Mickael Madar and Scott Gemill.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2017, 04:48:02 PM
It's not gonna be £30m. Loads of addons. Be surprised if the initial fee exceeds £20m.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 04:48:31 PM
From a Sunderland forum

11m plus add on's is the rumour. when you factor Oviedo and Gibson deal...it makes sense

Their reaction https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/pickford-%C2%A330mil-everton-bid-accepted.1371294/
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: chang on June 13, 2017, 04:55:19 PM
It's not gonna be £30m. Loads of addons. Be surprised if the initial fee exceeds £20m.

Indeed - http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10914137/everton-agree-163-30m-jordan-pickford-fee-with-sunderland
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 04:55:57 PM
Everyone knows Sunderland are on their knees financially and it's not like we were fighting off another 3-4 clubs. Like @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) said, I reckon it'll be a lot lower with incentives across all of the 5 years of his contract.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Robioto on June 13, 2017, 04:56:41 PM
Quite excited about this. A possible future England number 1. Will be a very good singing if it really is £11m up front plus add ons.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2017, 04:59:44 PM
Everyone knows Sunderland are on their knees financially and it's not like we were fighting off another 3-4 clubs. Like @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) said, I reckon it'll be a lot lower with incentives across all of the 5 years of his contract.

If Sunderland have got any sense the addons will be tied to appearances and England caps, rather than us winning trophies or CL qualification. But then we know Sunderland have very little sense.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 13, 2017, 05:00:18 PM
So far so good....


Pickford

Keane --- Williams
Coleman ---------------------------- Baines

Gana ---- Schneiderlin

Mirallas ----- Klassen ---- Bolasie

Sandro

Pedant Edit - rotating frontal attack

Pickford

Keane --- Williams

Coleman ------------------------------- Baines
Gana ---- Schneiderlin

Sigurdsson

Klassen ------ Bolasie

Sandro



Can't even squeeze Davies in, THAT'S how good the team IS GOING TO BE! Though I guess one of those mid 3 will be injured/banned regularly, so dont worry Tom :D
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 05:01:51 PM
If Sunderland have got any sense the addons will be tied to appearances and England caps, rather than us winning trophies or CL qualification. But then we know Sunderland have very little sense.

I'd be surprised if there is anyone left at Sunderland to make those kind of wise footballing decisions anymore. Looks like they're run by accountants these days. If you were Everton you'd play the game on this one and offer them all kinds on the never never.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: alexb on June 13, 2017, 05:02:14 PM
Echo, have just said its 18m up front, 12m as add ons
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: chang on June 13, 2017, 05:02:58 PM
To be honest, I couldn't give two hoots what players cost / are sold for - it's not my money, nor I suspect does the board care much for my thoughts ............................. ......... but as an Everton fan signing players, especially talented young English players is very exciting and something that until recently was not a game we could play.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lincs Toffee on June 13, 2017, 05:03:57 PM
Echo, have just said its 18m up front, 12m as add ons
Can't really complain with that and it does seem a more realistic figure.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 05:05:37 PM
To be honest, I couldn't give two hoots what players cost / are sold for - it's not my money, nor I suspect does the board care much for my thoughts ............................. ......... but as an Everton fan signing players, especially talented young English players is very exciting and something that until recently was not a game we could play.

That should be our market now. The top 3-4 will hoover up the top tier superstars and the rest will gravitate down the league, where we sit as the best of the rest. If nothing else the resale values, as evidenced by Lukaku, help us build again. Look forward to Keane coming in next.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: arteta4spain on June 13, 2017, 05:06:37 PM
I know he might not be a fancy name but does this let people finally take notice that we mean business. Be interesting who else we might bring in.
Pickford, Sandro, Klaassen. These are the three that look the most likely to come in. If we manage to get Keane or VVD. Would there be anyone else you'd want in?  Sorry to detract from Pickford!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 05:07:42 PM
Echo, have just said its 18m up front, 12m as add ons

Very good deal that, lets not forget hes only 23 so hoping he will our 'keeper for 10+years
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 05:09:03 PM
I know he might not be a fancy name but does this let people finally take notice that we mean business. Be interesting who else we might bring in.
Pickford, Sandro, Klaassen. These are the three that look the most likely to come in. If we manage to get Keane or VVD. Would there be anyone else you'd want in?  Sorry to detract from Pickford!

Sandro, Klaassen, Sigurdsson and Keane would be amazing
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2017, 05:09:09 PM
Some disagreement on the staggering of the fee...

Keith Downie ‏ @SkySports_Keith
We understand the total £30m deal for Jordan Pickford will guarantee Sunderland £25m, with an additional £5m in appearance related add-ons.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: arteta4spain on June 13, 2017, 05:13:14 PM
Some disagreement on the staggering of the fee...

Keith Downie ‏ @SkySports_Keith
We understand the total £30m deal for Jordan Pickford will guarantee Sunderland £25m, with an additional £5m in appearance related add-ons.
Haha beat me to it!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: hannu on June 13, 2017, 05:14:09 PM
So far so good....


Pickford

Keane --- Williams
Coleman ---------------------------- Baines

Gana ---- Schneiderlin

Sigurdsson

Klassen --------------- Bolasie

Sandro


Can't even squeeze Davies in, THAT'S how good the team IS GOING TO BE! Though I guess one of those mid 3 will be injured/banned regularly, so dont worry Tom :D


Klaasen as a winger? seriously?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 13, 2017, 05:19:04 PM
No, as a right footed attacking midfielder, who will move around the "hole" or "no 10" area.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
No, as a right footed attacking midfielder, who will move around the "hole" or "no 10" area.

But he doesn't play there and hasn't played there in his career to date. He's a central midfielder who gets forward. You want your right sided attacker to kind of play on the right side of the attack.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 13, 2017, 05:27:30 PM
No I dont, I want him to play in the hole where he normally plays, as I said, no 10 position. As hes more a passing mid than a winger. Im just fitting signings that we havent signed yet into an imaginary team...

I would guess something like this:


Pickford

Keane --- Williams
Coleman ------------------------------ Baines

Gana ---- Schneiderlin

Klassen

Mirallas ------------------------ Bolasie

Sandro











Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Makis on June 13, 2017, 05:29:35 PM
Klaassen is a hard worker and he didn't really work in that #10 spot when De Boer tried to shoehorn him into that position.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 13, 2017, 05:29:51 PM
No I dont, I want him to play in the hole where he normally plays, as I said, no 10 position. As hes more a passing mid than a winger. Im just fitting signings that we havent signed yet into a team...

I would guess something like this:


Pickford

Keane --- Williams
Coleman ---------------------------- Baines

Gana ---- Schneiderlin

Mirallas ----- Klassen ---- Bolasie

Sandro
Honestly think we need to start the season with a more proven striker than Sandro.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2017, 05:29:59 PM
Some disagreement on the staggering of the fee...

Keith Downie ‏ @SkySports_Keith
We understand the total £30m deal for Jordan Pickford will guarantee Sunderland £25m, with an additional £5m in appearance related add-ons.

I wonder if that's still 25 million up front though or a staggered payment?

Perhaps the number of 18 million comes from them owing us 7 million for Gibson and Oveido.

Or perhaps the amount was so much because we sold them Gibson and Oveido...
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Alanvideo on June 13, 2017, 05:43:24 PM
I bet Pickford asked all the ex-Everton lads (and Moyes ) for advice on joining our club..........and got the same reply . Wish I'd never left !
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2017, 05:48:12 PM
Honestly think we need to start the season with a more proven striker than Sandro.

Agreed, that forward line doesn't look that strong.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 05:50:48 PM
Agreed, that forward line doesn't look that strong.

We've not even factored in Lukaku leaving yet and the money that would generate, nor Del and Niasse. I'm sure Koeman will want another proven striker in his place.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 05:51:40 PM
Haven't been this excited about signing a keeper since we first tried to get Nigel Martyn, what a fuck up that was, all agreed, nice little tour around Park Food hampers HQ, then someone decides to actually give the lad directions to Leeds, god we were fucking awful at deals back then.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2017, 05:52:41 PM
We've not even factored in Lukaku leaving yet and the money that would generate, nor Del and Niasse. I'm sure Koeman will want another proven striker in his place.

Of course not. I expect it to look a lot stronger by the end of summer.

Good start if everything goes to plan. Wonder what's going on in the Sandro deal. Seems awfully quiet.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 05:56:26 PM
Of course not. I expect it to look a lot stronger by the end of summer.

Good start if everything goes to plan. Wonder what's going on in the Sandro deal. Seems awfully quiet.

We're probably working on about four incoming transfers as we speak as well as Lukaku and Barkley's situation. As much as he's probably burning the midnight oil there's only one Steve Walsh (not a terrace chant).
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Goaljira on June 13, 2017, 05:59:12 PM
I know he might not be a fancy name but does this let people finally take notice that we mean business. Be interesting who else we might bring in.
Pickford, Sandro, Klaassen. These are the three that look the most likely to come in. If we manage to get Keane or VVD. Would there be anyone else you'd want in?  Sorry to detract from Pickford!

As least 2 strikers.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2017, 06:00:15 PM
Howabout...
                      Pickford
Coleman  De Vrij    Keane  Baines
                   Schneiderlin
              Gana        Klaassen
Sandro                              Sigurdsson
                     Lukaku

With Bolasie, Barkley, Davies and one or two other boss signings on the bench.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 06:01:09 PM
Howabout...
                      Pickford
Coleman  De Vrij    Keane  Baines
                   Schneiderlin
              Gana        Klaassen
Sandro                              Sigurdsson
                     Lukaku

With Bolasie, Barkley, Davies and one or two other boss signings on the bench.

Slight question mark over the lad up front.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2017, 06:01:16 PM
Now now children, lets not get carried away!!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 13, 2017, 06:03:03 PM
I bet Pickford asked all the ex-Everton lads (and Moyes ) for advice on joining our club..........and got the same reply . Wish I'd never left !

I doubt any of them wanted to go, they just weren't good enough to stay.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Fynci on June 13, 2017, 06:13:36 PM
Now now children, lets not get carried away!!

We're going to win the league!!!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 06:18:40 PM
My favourite post over on the Sunderland forum;

' He's going to a proper club. Fair play to the lad. He'll be there his whole career!'
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2017, 06:29:06 PM
 https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/874587492128878592
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 13, 2017, 06:33:11 PM
Made up with this, me.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on June 13, 2017, 06:34:19 PM
Even Frank Bruno's a closet Blue. ;D



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just seen @JordanPickford (https://twitter.com/JordanPickford) is joining @Everton (https://twitter.com/Everton) my favourite goal keeper for Everton was #NevilleSouthall (https://twitter.com/hashtag/NevilleSouthall?src=hash) lets hope Jordon can be another Nev pic.twitter.com/laQtHVvyRz (https://t.co/laQtHVvyRz)</p>&mdash; Frank Bruno MBE (@frankbrunoboxer) June 13, 2017 (https://twitter.com/frankbrunoboxer/status/874581294142951424)
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Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 06:34:31 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/874587492128878592

Moshiri is a fraud etc....
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 13, 2017, 06:35:06 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/874587492128878592

£22m less the money they owe for Gibson and Oviedo?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 06:36:46 PM
We now have an accountant in charge of the club who is playing around with his own money. He's not going to have his pants pulled down by anyone you wouldn't have thought. I'm sure the details of the deal work for us.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: School of Science on June 13, 2017, 06:41:13 PM
£22m less the money they owe for Gibson and Oviedo?

£25m then   :o  ;)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2017, 06:47:53 PM
He has a point
 https://twitter.com/JonnyGabriel/status/874566694831874049
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2017, 06:55:55 PM
Boss signing this lads.

It's like us signing Nigel Martyn when we had the chance the first time round.

Keeper situation sorted for years now.

Give us something to watch with the under 21s now
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ally2 on June 13, 2017, 06:57:02 PM
Very pleased
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: School of Science on June 13, 2017, 07:05:07 PM
Happy with it myself and glad add ons are involved in the fee, means that we won't mind paying them because it will mean were doing well. Cracking young keeper, could be our number one sorted for next 10 years plus. Seriously we have needed a new keeper for at least 5 years.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 13, 2017, 07:05:41 PM
Made up with this..!!!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Confucius on June 13, 2017, 08:07:10 PM
It hasn't happened yet but if t does I hope the lad turns out to be brilliant. I now worry he doesn't get injured for like 6 months.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on June 13, 2017, 08:44:05 PM
Howabout...
                      Pickford
Coleman  De Vrij    Keane  Baines
                   Schneiderlin
              Gana        Klaassen
Sandro                              Sigurdsson
                     Lukaku

With Bolasie, Barkley, Davies and one or two other boss signings on the bench.

I would think more this.

Everyone seems to have Sandro upfront as an out and out forward.

Correct me if I am wrong but I was more under the impression that he was more of a wide forward than an out and out striker, but I am not sure.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2017, 08:45:15 PM
I'm worried that all these predicted teams have a striker and centre mid out wide.

It's all a bit top heavy with centre mids if we get Klassen and Sig, isnt it.

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on June 13, 2017, 08:45:57 PM
The thing, like others have said, that I like most about this signing is the fact he will be our goalkeeper for the next 10 years, unless he performs well enough and someone like Madrid come in for him of course.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 13, 2017, 08:52:54 PM
I'm worried that all these predicted teams have a striker and centre mid out wide.

It's all a bit top heavy with centre mids if we get Klassen and Sig, isnt it.



If we get Klaassen I think we dont get Sig.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 13, 2017, 08:53:54 PM
I'm worried that all these predicted teams have a striker and centre mid out wide.

It's all a bit top heavy with centre mids if we get Klassen and Sig, isnt it.
Im not going to worry about that. No doubt we will sign a wide player.
Also Koeman has said Deulofeu can stay so we would realistically have when fit. Mirallas, Bolasie & Deulofeu. We played Barkley wide for most of last season too, so if he stays he is another option.

I do feel we Will address this though, probably late on in the window though.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 08:56:40 PM
If we get Klaassen I think we dont get Sig.

I reckon we get them both

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/austin-omg.gif)

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: bigmanbob on June 13, 2017, 08:59:18 PM
The tight arse in me thinks we should have gone in a bit lower, they sound like they've bit our bit our hand off with our first offer
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Trowel on June 13, 2017, 09:05:04 PM
I've read the deal includes loans for Kenny and Dowell. Will be great experience from them, given Sunderland should be one of the strongest teams in the Championship.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on June 13, 2017, 09:06:35 PM
3rd most expensive goalkeeper in the world.

That sort of thing just makes me happy.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on June 13, 2017, 09:07:56 PM
If we get Klaassen I think we dont get Sig.

Disagree.

I personally think Sig and Klaassen in, Barkley out.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on June 13, 2017, 09:08:00 PM
I'd be happy to see:

           Pickford

Coleman  Keane  Smalling  Baines

    Gana  Schneid  Klassen

Sigurdsen  New striker  Sandro


Quick sums:

Pickford 30
Keane 24
Smlling 27
Klassen 26
Sig 35
Sandro 6
New Striker 35

Total spent 157

Outs

Lukaku 75
Barkley 20
Other odds and sods out the door 25

Incoming 120

Net spend 37 mill.

I guess it's possible.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on June 13, 2017, 09:11:33 PM
From the Sunderland Board that I found interesting.

"It's all about distribution with Pickford. Yes he's made top saves, but that is what you would expect anyway from a Premier League keeper. He was firing 70 yard passes to the feet of Defoe or the chest of Anichebe, I don't think I've seen distribution like it before from a keeper and it's what sets him apart from everyone else. He'll create a few goals next year no doubt."

Be nice that, haven't had a goalkeeper like that for a while.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheTone on June 13, 2017, 09:12:04 PM
I'd be happy to see:

           Pickford

Coleman  Keane  Smalling  Baines

    Gana  Schneid  Klassen

Sigurdsen  New striker  Sandro


Quick sums:

Pickford 30
Keane 24
Smlling 27
Klassen 26
Sig 35
Sandro 6
New Striker 35

Total spent 157 183

Outs

Lukaku 75
Barkley 20
Other odds and sods out the door 25

Incoming 120

Net spend 37 mill. 63 mill

I guess it's possible.

fixed
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2017, 09:13:50 PM
I've read the deal includes loans for Kenny and Dowell. Will be great experience from them, given Sunderland should be one of the strongest teams in the Championship.

Ideal move for Dowell, if true. Would keep Kenny in the first team squad pushing for games, personally. I think he's ready to be an option.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 09:14:57 PM
From the Sunderland Board that I found interesting.

"It's all about distribution with Pickford. Yes he's made top saves, but that is what you would expect anyway from a Premier League keeper. He was firing 70 yard passes to the feet of Defoe or the chest of Anichebe, I don't think I've seen distribution like it before from a keeper and it's what sets him apart from everyone else. He'll create a few goals next year no doubt."

Be nice that, haven't had a goalkeeper like that for a while.

Especially if we can find a striker who can control a football. :snigger:
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: chang on June 13, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
The tight arse in me thinks we should have gone in a bit lower, they sound like they've bit our bit our hand off with our first offer

But surely better to get the deal done than fanny about for a couple of million and let some other team get a foot in the door? .... club can't win with some folk!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2017, 09:19:40 PM
https://twitter.com/stamp_1878/status/874563663708999683
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2017, 09:23:01 PM
https://twitter.com/stamp_1878/status/874563663708999683
Who is he? Is he the lad who loves to be a wum?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 09:24:40 PM
Congratulations on winning the World Cup lads. Don't bother unpacking, you're off to find a new gaff in Sunderland. Good luck.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: bigmanbob on June 13, 2017, 09:26:23 PM
But surely better to get the deal done than fanny about for a couple of million and let some other team get a foot in the door? .... club can't win with some folk!
No I take your point, my comment was a bit tongue in cheek
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Mr. Devil on June 13, 2017, 09:28:50 PM
Pocket change. PSG offered 70M euros for that Oblak chap from Atletico Madrid.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 13, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
https://twitter.com/stamp_1878/status/874563663708999683

Soren Lorensen is the imaginary friend of Lola in CBBC series Charlie and Lola.

True story.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on June 13, 2017, 09:35:17 PM
I've liked him for quite some time. He's a very good young keeper. At 23, that's very young and he's very likely to improve rapidly judging on his performances last season. Rom's going to have a field day if (though unlikely,) he stays. 21 mill is a decent price. Not a bargain! But I'm not going to complain. Up to him to prove himself now. Provided there's no hiccups in his signing. :)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on June 13, 2017, 09:44:59 PM
Paul Joyce has tweeted that its 22mill upfront plus add ons getting it up to 30mill, thats fine by me

also no mention of kenny & dowell getting loan moves, kenny will be heavily involved in the first team next season id imagine, although id like to see DCL & Dowell loaned to the championship for experience
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on June 13, 2017, 09:53:06 PM
Quite excited about this which is rare to get so excited about a goalkeeper.

Beats the dark days of being priced out of a move for Mart Poom and blowing our entire £5M budget on Richard Wright.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2017, 10:10:29 PM
Who is he? Is he the lad who loves to be a wum?

Called a lot of stuff right in the past

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Danny on June 13, 2017, 10:17:10 PM
Doubt Sunderland would sign 2 kids on loan without a manager, or that we'd let them go wìthout knowing they were in their plans.

That'd be a great loan for Kenny though, think Dowell may be better off at top league one club next year.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 13, 2017, 10:19:51 PM
Paul Joyce has tweeted that its 22mill upfront plus add ons getting it up to 30mill, thats fine by me

also no mention of kenny & dowell getting loan moves, kenny will be heavily involved in the first team next season id imagine, although id like to see DCL & Dowell loaned to the championship for experience

Would be great for Dowell, for sure.  I think DCL can probably contribute here.  Maybe Kenny, about 50/50 on him.  Would like option to recall him, at least.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Goaljira on June 13, 2017, 10:24:09 PM
https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/874630427159539712
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 13, 2017, 10:26:22 PM
Would rather loan sunderland Martina and give Kenny some game time here until Coleman is back!

Dowell out on loan would be great if he isn't going to get time here, same with Connolly. I think DCL and Lookman will get some gametime this season
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 13, 2017, 10:36:39 PM
Apparently it won't get finalised until he's back from the u21 championship. Makes me nervous; far too much time for another team to swoop in.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on June 13, 2017, 10:44:13 PM
Apparently it won't get finalised until he's back from the u21 championship. Makes me nervous; far too much time for another team to swoop in.
I think he'll know he'll play at Everton, if city or liverpool come in for example he'll sit on the bench. Think he just wants to play each week at a good club in the premier league, people at Sunderland probably advising him to go to Everton anyway especially at his age, a lot of their fans are pleased he's coming here

likes of holgate will be talking to him whilst away anyway, a lot of young english players here he wouldve already played with or met at international level

aswell as Oviedo, Gibson, Pienaar & Anichebe to talk to about Everton
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 13, 2017, 10:49:19 PM
Also, for blarg and any other interested Ugly Americans...the U-21 tourney will be en espanol on ESPN Deportes here, or streaming in English on ESPN3/WatchESPN.

I will be on a damned train for the first two England pool games, though.  Amtrak has WiFi, but I am skeptical it will support footy match speeds.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 13, 2017, 10:50:40 PM
I think he'll know he'll play at Everton, if city or liverpool come in for example he'll sit on the bench. Think he just wants to play each week at a good club in the premier league, people at Sunderland probably advising him to go to Everton anyway especially at his age, a lot of their fans are pleased he's coming here

likes of holgate will be talking to him whilst away anyway, a lot of young english players here he wouldve already played with or met at international level

aswell as Oviedo, Gibson, Pienaar & Anichebe to talk to about Everton

I'm hoping that's the start of a good working relationship between Pickford and Holgate, suspect he will be a first-team CB a lot sooner than people expect.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Silas on June 13, 2017, 10:51:52 PM
It's done people chill
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 10:54:03 PM
It's done people chill

This
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2017, 12:24:48 AM
When asked about this transfer, Stuart 'The Fuckwit' Pearce has genuinely just said 'I just hope he goes there and gets first team games'.

Fuck me

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Confucius on June 14, 2017, 12:29:48 AM
When asked about this transfer, Stuart 'The Fuckwit' Pearce has genuinely just said 'I just hope he goes there and gets first team games'.

Fuck me



Or he reckons he is comparable to Robles?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2017, 12:47:55 AM
Or he reckons he is comparable to Robles?

I'd be quite surprised if he knows who Joel Robles is.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Rhys on June 14, 2017, 01:01:14 AM
Doubt Sunderland would sign 2 kids on loan without a manager, or that we'd let them go wìthout knowing they were in their plans.

That'd be a great loan for Kenny though, think Dowell may be better off at top league one club next year.

I can see why sunderland would as it is now downside for them. They get 2 talented players in their squad at no cost when they need players and arent looking to spend much money.

For us though I cant see why we'd agree to two players going somwhere where we dont know who the manager is and what his style or preferences are. We are going to want them to go to places where they will get a lot of football. It would be pointless sending dowell somewhere where the manager wants to play direct physical football. So while in theory it would be good for them to go to sunderland for the year, I'd like to think we would wait to see who goes there or its in the contract they need to play xxx% of the games when fit or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on June 14, 2017, 03:26:18 AM
From a Sunderland forum

11m plus add on's is the rumour. when you factor Oviedo and Gibson deal...it makes sense

Their reaction https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/pickford-%C2%A330mil-everton-bid-accepted.1371294/
Like this qoute from the thread;

”Pickford moves to one of the biggest clubs in England”

We are back 💰💲
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: School of Science on June 14, 2017, 04:19:38 AM
Like this qoute from the thread;

”Pickford moves to one of the biggest clubs in England”

We are back 💰💲

Shame Sunderland went down, very likeable team and fans, saying that we would have had even less chance of signing Pickford. Hope they bounce right back up.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2017, 04:22:46 AM
Really not arsed about Sunderland either way. They've turned into a nothing club lately. Much prefer Newcastle in the league instead.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: School of Science on June 14, 2017, 04:27:45 AM
Really not arsed about Sunderland either way. They've turned into a nothing club lately. Much prefer Newcastle in the league instead.

Never in a million years mate, numb nut fans, Mike Ashley as chairman and Benitez as manager, yes i think your in a minority there.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on June 14, 2017, 05:44:18 AM
Would rather see all three north east clubs go down and stay down.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2017, 05:53:46 AM
Really not arsed about Sunderland either way. They've turned into a nothing club lately. Much prefer Newcastle in the league instead.
Newcastle can get fucked with their big club attitude
You yo yo year after year
Your a one city club
Your Derby is 30 miles away
Sports direct

Fuck off
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Gash on June 14, 2017, 05:59:32 AM
Newcastle can get fucked with their big club attitude
You yo yo year after year
Your a one city club
Your Derby is 30 miles away
Sports direct

Fuck off

Sunderland's only about three miles away isn't it?

EDIT. Just checked, it's about 11 miles, thought it was closer.

But yeah, other than that they can all get fucked.

Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 14, 2017, 06:02:58 AM
Sunderland's only about three miles away isn't it?

EDIT. Just checked, it's about 11 miles, thought it was closer.

But yeah, other than that they can all get fucked.

Bout 20 miles isnt it?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Gash on June 14, 2017, 06:07:05 AM
Bout 20 miles isnt it?

14 by car, 11 as the crow flies apparently. I always thought Sunderland was just an extension of Sunderland, I suppose it is now, there's probably not a lot of green belt between the two.

Love an away day out at the footy in Newcastle, never been to Sunderland, not likely to either the way they're going.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on June 14, 2017, 06:56:11 AM
Big Nev Rates Pickford. I also heard Peter Shilton has a high opinion of his quality too.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think if we sign Pickford we have a bargain
What price saving 12 points a season
Potential to go all the way to world level</p>&mdash; Neville Southall (@NevilleSouthall) June 13, 2017 (https://twitter.com/NevilleSouthall/status/874701074573258756)
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Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TSGun on June 14, 2017, 01:35:12 PM
Has he actually signed or is it pending?

(apologies, I'm way out of the loop)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Toffee1 on June 14, 2017, 01:40:31 PM
Has he actually signed or is it pending?

(apologies, I'm way out of the loop)

Fee has been agreed with Sunderland but Pickford is with the England U21s in Poland - so he won't discuss/sign until we get knocked out/win the tournament.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 14, 2017, 01:40:37 PM
Has he actually signed or is it pending?

(apologies, I'm way out of the loop)

Signing when he is back from England duty.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Trowel on June 14, 2017, 01:44:12 PM
Great article on Pickford, with comments from former teammates and coaches.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10914990/jordan-pickford-profile-why-he-is-ready-for-the-everton-challenge?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Bruno's a blue

https://mobile.twitter.com/frankbrunoboxer/status/874581294142951424
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 14, 2017, 01:48:36 PM
Bruno's a blue

https://mobile.twitter.com/frankbrunoboxer/status/874581294142951424

I spotted that yesterday. I was wondering if he was.

I noticed he sent Lennon a few nice words, but thought that was mainly because he had been through a similar thing.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2017, 01:48:56 PM
150 million spending spree according to today's Mirror
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Alanvideo on June 14, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
14 by car, 11 as the crow flies apparently. I always thought Sunderland was just an extension of Sunderland, I suppose it is now, there's probably not a lot of green belt between the two.

Love an away day out at the footy in Newcastle, never been to Sunderland, not likely to either the way they're going.
............been to the Air Show at Sunderland up on the cliffs near where Roker Park used to be. Believe it or not there is a good beach there but you need an overcoat even in summer.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 14, 2017, 02:28:09 PM
Yes there is a nice beach in Sunderland!! When i was in hospital up there, we had a day trip to the beach hahaha it was so funny. A group of mental patients on the beach going mad.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Ramjam on June 14, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
Yes there is a nice beach in Sunderland!! When i was in hospital up there, we had a day trip to the beach hahaha it was so funny. A group of mental patients on the beach going mad.

No that was the Sunderland supporters club annual day out
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ajax_andy on June 14, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Yes there is a nice beach in Sunderland!! When i was in hospital up there, we had a day trip to the beach hahaha it was so funny. A group of mental patients on the beach going mad.

Head north in to Northumberland and you'll find tonnes of amazing beaches that put any near Sunderland to shame
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 14, 2017, 06:32:55 PM
Head north in to Northumberland and you'll find tonnes of amazing beaches that put any near Sunderland to shame

Such a shame it's always so bastard cold.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: ajax_andy on June 14, 2017, 07:41:19 PM
Such a shame it's always so bastard cold.

Haha yeah the beauty comes at a cost!
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Waltzer on June 14, 2017, 08:01:29 PM
Hope this is true!

Jordan Pickford is reportedly due to undergo an Everton medial on Wednesday as the Toffees look to push through the £30m signing before their rivals step in.

The Washington-born goalkeeper is in Poland for the European Under-21 Championships and said last week he did not want to be distracted by transfer talk during the tournament. England’s opening game is against Sweden on Friday.


Since then Everton have agreed a fee for the 23-year-old goalkeeper.

A quick resolution would obviously suit Ronald Koeman with other clubs interested, and provide the Black Cats with a degree of clarity at a time when it is in short supply at the Stadium of Light.

Despite Pickford’s comments his Under-21 manager Aidy Boothroyd is relaxed about the prospect of his players discussing transfers during the competition, taking a realistic stance that there is only so much he can do.

And The S*n has reported Everton have flown staff to Poland to hold a medical.

West Ham United and Arsenal have also been linked with the goalkeeper, who only established himself as Sunderland’s No.1 late last year.

Pickford’s talents did not go unnoticed by the big clubs last season, and others could enter the fray were they to lose their first choice. For example, the signs are that Manchester United may be able to keep David De Gea but until the transfer window closes and he is not a Real Madrid player, they will not take it for granted.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 14, 2017, 08:07:38 PM
Former Liverpool and England goalkeeper Chris Kirkland says new £30m Everton signing Jordan Pickford, who worked with him at Preston, could play for "any team in the world."

Kirkland, once most expensive British goalkeeper himself when he joined the Reds from Coventry for £6m in 2001, said of Pickford, 23: "He's the best I've ever worked with - for me he could be the best in the world and he should be. If he's not it's down to injuries or his own fault as he has everything."
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2017, 08:14:05 PM
Hope this is true!

Jordan Pickford is reportedly due to undergo an Everton medial on Wednesday as the Toffees look to push through the £30m signing before their rivals step in.

The Washington-born goalkeeper is in Poland for the European Under-21 Championships and said last week he did not want to be distracted by transfer talk during the tournament. England’s opening game is against Sweden on Friday.


Since then Everton have agreed a fee for the 23-year-old goalkeeper.

A quick resolution would obviously suit Ronald Koeman with other clubs interested, and provide the Black Cats with a degree of clarity at a time when it is in short supply at the Stadium of Light.

Despite Pickford’s comments his Under-21 manager Aidy Boothroyd is relaxed about the prospect of his players discussing transfers during the competition, taking a realistic stance that there is only so much he can do.

And The S*n has reported Everton have flown staff to Poland to hold a medical.

West Ham United and Arsenal have also been linked with the goalkeeper, who only established himself as Sunderland’s No.1 late last year.

Pickford’s talents did not go unnoticed by the big clubs last season, and others could enter the fray were they to lose their first choice. For example, the signs are that Manchester United may be able to keep David De Gea but until the transfer window closes and he is not a Real Madrid player, they will not take it for granted.

Where's that from?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Waltzer on June 14, 2017, 08:15:01 PM
Where's that from?

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/reports-say-jordan-pickford-set-13185273
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2017, 08:15:04 PM
Didn't know he was American.....
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on June 14, 2017, 08:32:13 PM
Hope this is true!

Jordan Pickford is reportedly due to undergo an Everton medial on Wednesday as the Toffees look to push through the £30m signing before their rivals step in.

The Washington-born goalkeeper is in Poland for the European Under-21 Championships and said last week he did not want to be distracted by transfer talk during the tournament. England’s opening game is against Sweden on Friday.


Since then Everton have agreed a fee for the 23-year-old goalkeeper.

A quick resolution would obviously suit Ronald Koeman with other clubs interested, and provide the Black Cats with a degree of clarity at a time when it is in short supply at the Stadium of Light.

Despite Pickford’s comments his Under-21 manager Aidy Boothroyd is relaxed about the prospect of his players discussing transfers during the competition, taking a realistic stance that there is only so much he can do.

And The S*n has reported Everton have flown staff to Poland to hold a medical.

West Ham United and Arsenal have also been linked with the goalkeeper, who only established himself as Sunderland’s No.1 late last year.

Pickford’s talents did not go unnoticed by the big clubs last season, and others could enter the fray were they to lose their first choice. For example, the signs are that Manchester United may be able to keep David De Gea but until the transfer window closes and he is not a Real Madrid player, they will not take it for granted.



He's not going to sign for United if he's going to have to wait for De Gea and his agent to decide for him.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 14, 2017, 09:21:34 PM
Didn't know he was American.....

joke?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2017, 09:47:35 PM
joke?
Yes pal
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 14, 2017, 10:03:06 PM
We are doing business like it's a business.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Alanvideo on June 14, 2017, 10:44:06 PM
The Mackems look to have already earmarked some of the Pickford windfall on a new manager . Mcinnes from Aberdeen.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on June 14, 2017, 11:02:44 PM
http://www.footballinsider247.com/bargain-southall-hails-everton-23-year-old-reportedly-agrees-terms/
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on June 14, 2017, 11:13:34 PM
http://www.footballinsider247.com/bargain-southall-hails-everton-23-year-old-reportedly-agrees-terms/
So we could have confirmation on that tonight or tomorrow morning?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: blargins on June 14, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
So we could have confirmation on that tonight or tomorrow morning?

If the report is true.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Cozzie on June 14, 2017, 11:15:11 PM
Seems every article I read has everyone praising him to the high heavens. 

Hope he fulfills his potential.

At 23 we seem to have gotten him at just the right time.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: D15TIN on June 14, 2017, 11:17:22 PM
Seems every article I read has everyone praising him to the high heavens. 

Hope he fulfills his potential.

At 23 we seem to have gotten him at just the right time.
Even some Liverpool fans saying it's a good deal, and it's making them frustrated as Everton seem to be proactive and splashing the cash whilst they havn't made a move yet
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Brownie20 on June 14, 2017, 11:24:38 PM
Even some Liverpool fans saying it's a good deal, and it's making them frustrated as Everton seem to be proactive and splashing the cash whilst they havn't made a move yet

Well, a legal one.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: School of Science on June 15, 2017, 12:40:23 AM
Even some Liverpool fans saying it's a good deal, and it's making them frustrated as Everton seem to be proactive and splashing the cash whilst they havn't made a move yet

Kopites know nothing, even now the Liverpool board could well be drafting out their next apology.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Jamokachi on June 15, 2017, 04:37:35 PM
Echo (and others) reporting that a medical has been done but that personal terms will be discussed post Euro u21 tournament.

Isn't that a bit arse about tit? Surely we'll have those agreements in place. Medical is usually the final step, is it not?
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on June 15, 2017, 06:58:19 PM
One of the reasons Rom would score more than 25 this coming season, if Pickfords transfer is confirmed. :)


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pickford's distribution is immense pic.twitter.com/ZljFxilOMX (https://t.co/ZljFxilOMX)</p>&mdash; Aaron (@ReidTheGame) June 13, 2017 (https://twitter.com/ReidTheGame/status/874566932720230400)
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Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Lxxx on June 15, 2017, 09:53:20 PM
One of the reasons Rom would score more than 25 this coming season, if Pickfords transfer is confirmed. :)


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pickford's distribution is immense pic.twitter.com/ZljFxilOMX (https://t.co/ZljFxilOMX)</p>&mdash; Aaron (@ReidTheGame) June 13, 2017 (https://twitter.com/ReidTheGame/status/874566932720230400)

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No more Jags/Wlliams hoof ball. Knocking it back to your goalkeeper may no longer be seen as a negative pass.
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on June 15, 2017, 10:40:45 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Sky sources report that Sunderland goalkeeper Jordan Pickford has had a medical ahead of proposed move to Everton. #SSNHQ (https://twitter.com/hashtag/SSNHQ?src=hash)</p>&mdash; Sky Sports News HQ (@SkySportsNewsHQ) June 14, 2017 (https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/875120210633740288)
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Confirmed!!! ;D
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: Robioto on June 15, 2017, 10:42:10 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/06/15/pickford-signs

Get in. :)
Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on June 15, 2017, 10:42:57 PM
Just to make sure. ;D




<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Everton&#39;s Pick of the Week https://t.co/xrFSc1aV0l (https://t.co/xrFSc1aV0l)</p>&mdash; Dougie (@DOU67AS) June 15, 2017 (https://twitter.com/DOU67AS/status/875377486137262082)
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Title: Re: Jordan Pickford
Post by: pjk on June 15, 2017, 10:45:28 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">💪 | &quot;This is an exciting time for the Club and for me, too, with the ambition being shown&quot;

Exclusive interview 👉 https://t.co/lV9K1CaTb7 (https://t.co/lV9K1CaTb7). pic.twitter.com/sg7AreEBbP (https://t.co/sg7AreEBbP)</p>&mdash; Everton (@Everton) June 15, 2017 (https://twitter.com/Everton/status/875377934722371586)
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> WooHooo!!!