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Title: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Hawkandro on June 07, 2017, 02:51:34 PM
Giroud making noises to leave Arsenal for more game time. I'd have him in here in a shot. Think he can play the Pelle role well.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheTone on June 07, 2017, 03:21:36 PM
Giroud making noises to leave Arsenal for more game time. I'd have him in here in a shot. Think he can play the Pelle L'oreal role well.  :batty:

fixed
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on June 07, 2017, 06:11:47 PM
Giroud making noises to leave Arsenal for more game time. I'd have him in here in a shot. Think he can play the Pelle role well.

Giroud and Batsyuayi
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on June 07, 2017, 06:35:24 PM
Giroud would be boss.

More importantly, he'd cement our status as the best looking team in the league
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 07, 2017, 06:45:36 PM
Giroud making noises to leave Arsenal for more game time. I'd have him in here in a shot. Think he can play the Pelle role well.

This is a joke right?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on June 07, 2017, 06:52:02 PM
Please not Giroud. That way hoofball lies.




Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on June 07, 2017, 07:03:46 PM
What's wrong with Giroud?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: D_murph0278 on June 07, 2017, 07:19:16 PM
Forget everyone else.... Yacine Brahimi is apparently available this summer. Porto need to sell to comply with financial fair play. This fella is as good as anyone on his day. A signing like this would certainly get the ball rolling big time.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Hawkandro on June 07, 2017, 07:34:06 PM
Giroud and Batsyuayi


Giroud, Batshuayi and Iheanacho. Make it so.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Hawkandro on June 07, 2017, 07:34:56 PM
This is a joke right?

Not that I am aware of, no.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 07, 2017, 07:38:41 PM
What's wrong with Giroud?
Fuck knows
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: arteta4spain on June 07, 2017, 08:14:35 PM
Forget everyone else.... Yacine Brahimi is apparently available this summer. Porto need to sell to comply with financial fair play. This fella is as good as anyone on his day. A signing like this would certainly get the ball rolling big time.

I'm sure we tried in the summer or the season before for him. More chance of him coming here with European football and more £££. Hopefully.
Ah here it is! https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-see-336million-yacine-brahimi-8757393.amp
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Makis on June 07, 2017, 08:19:05 PM
Please not Giroud. That way hoofball lies.
Arsenal, the home of hoofball.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 07, 2017, 08:38:37 PM
Not that I am aware of, no.

Oh. I laughed. Perhaps inappropriately.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 07, 2017, 08:39:24 PM
Arsenal, the home of hoofball.

Well Giroud is most definitely plan B for them when the shit hits the fan.

I'm out.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on June 07, 2017, 09:16:37 PM
What's wrong with Giroud?

Only his age for me. I like him generally as a striker, better than Arsenal fans or the French national team fans give him credit for.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 07, 2017, 10:01:32 PM
Well Giroud is most definitely plan B for them when the shit hits the fan.

I'm out.

For a classic number 9 big man upfront his technique is superb, not remember Wilshere's goal a few years back? He is brilliant at bringing other players into play (a perfect foil for Griezmann last year at the Euro's) and is good in the air and has a powerful shot on him (remember when he thundered the bar against us from well outside the box?)

He lacks a bit of mobility and pace that Rom has but in the above areas he is far superior and fits into type of player Koeman likes. I mentioned Giroud as one of 2 signings if Rom was to leave last year, would definitely not say no to the guy.


*also I'm sure I read only Harry Kane had a better goals per minute ratio than Giroud this season. I know maybe some of them goals are as a sub against tired defences but still.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Robioto on June 07, 2017, 10:05:14 PM
What's wrong with Giroud?

He plays in England, every Premier League player we are linked with gets called shit on here it seems.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 07, 2017, 10:13:33 PM
I'd well take Giroud
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: D_murph0278 on June 07, 2017, 10:37:03 PM
For a classic number 9 big man upfront his technique is superb, not remember Wilshere's goal a few years back? He is brilliant at bringing other players into play (a perfect foil for Griezmann last year at the Euro's) and is good in the air and has a powerful shot on him (remember when he thundered the bar against us from well outside the box?)

He lacks a bit of mobility and pace that Rom has but in the above areas he is far superior and fits into type of player Koeman likes. I mentioned Giroud as one of 2 signings if Rom was to leave last year, would definitely not say no to the guy.


*also I'm sure I read only Harry Kane had a better goals per minute ratio than Giroud this season. I know maybe some of them goals are as a sub against tired defences but still.

Save your time or copy and paste to an arsenal forum..... He's never coming to Everton!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 07, 2017, 10:47:35 PM
I'd well take Giroud

Me too.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2017, 10:52:03 PM
I'd accept Giroud as an option. Not at all happy if he's the solution, or Rom's direct replacement. His vanity is annoying as well.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 07, 2017, 10:55:43 PM
I'd accept Giroud as an option. Not at all happy if he's the solution, or Rom's direct replacement. His vanity is annoying as well.
He is devishly handsome tho
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 07, 2017, 11:00:37 PM
He is devishly handsome tho

He is, BUT ever since someone compared him to Rylan, i have trouble fantasising about him :(
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 07, 2017, 11:44:25 PM
Giroud is certainly a better idea than Vardy or Rooney as a stopgap.  But we also need a Batshuayi or someone of that ilk to be the speed/youth option.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: sixymack on June 08, 2017, 12:00:19 AM
Bonjour.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 08, 2017, 12:05:06 AM
ooooft
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on June 08, 2017, 12:19:30 AM
Haha fucking hell.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2017, 12:46:03 AM
Bonjour.

Oooo la la
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheTone on June 08, 2017, 12:56:51 AM
Giroud never recovered his place after that time he needed time out when he got caught cheating on his missus

Now the prolific Danny Welbeck gets picked ahead of him

Even though he is decent in the air he also looks like and acts like a massive cunt and epitomises the soft underbelly that has been Arsenal over the past few seasons

In conclusion I'm out











Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on June 08, 2017, 01:10:52 AM
Sticks in my head when he scored in injury time to make it 3-3 against Palace last season after they were 3-0 down and he went off on a self indulgent celebration in the corner on his own while his team-mates were screaming at him to get back to the halfway line so they could try and get a winner.

Not for me thanks.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 08, 2017, 01:20:05 AM
Sticks in my head when he scored in injury time to make it 3-3 against Palace last season after they were 3-0 down and he went off on a self indulgent celebration in the corner on his own while his team-mates were screaming at him to get back to the halfway line so they could try and get a winner.

Not for me thanks.
Bournemouth I think but yeah it was all a bit cringey

Could have been worse tho, they could have conceded after it. ...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on June 08, 2017, 02:02:08 AM
Bournemouth I think but yeah it was all a bit cringey

Could have been worse tho, they could have conceded after it. ...

*invades pitch*
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 08, 2017, 02:22:01 AM
Belter couple of posts. Oh to be an Evertonian. For every daft thing other sides have done we've been there done that and conceded a dafter goal.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2017, 02:28:23 AM
That VVD fella is decent, might be worth a bid
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2017, 02:35:14 AM
I think Giroud in addition to 2 young pacy forward players (Keita,Dembele, Batshuayi maybe?)would be a decent way to go in replacing Rom and giving us more options

Realistically we're not getting any of the top level marksmen around Europe (Lacazette, Griezmann, Lewandowski, Benzema, Aubameyang etc) are we?

Giroud is the next level down and possibly the type of player we are looking at unless we can pull off someone like Dolberg

(Is this the real life?is this just fantasy footy?) - I don't know if these shouts are just pure fantasy

I'd say we're after up and coming but far from the finished article or not currently making the grade at a big club

I doubt very much whether we will sell Lukaku for 90mil and then replace with 1 90mil striker
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: hannu on June 08, 2017, 02:37:16 AM
That VVD fella is decent, might be worth a bid
wasnt there a VVD thread, i cant seem to find it
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheTone on June 08, 2017, 04:39:51 AM
I think Giroud in addition to 2 young pacy forward players (Keita,Dembele, Batshuayi maybe?)would be a decent way to go in replacing Rom and giving us more options

Realistically we're not getting any of the top level marksmen around Europe (Lacazette, Griezmann, Lewandowski, Benzema, Aubameyang etc) are we?

Giroud is the next level down and possibly the type of player we are looking at unless we can pull off someone like Dolberg

(Is this the real life?is this just fantasy footy?) - I don't know if these shouts are just pure fantasy

I'd say we're after up and coming but far from the finished article or not currently making the grade at a big club

I doubt very much whether we will sell Lukaku for 90mil and then replace with 1 90mil striker


This is meant to be read to Bohemian Rhapsady right?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on June 08, 2017, 05:06:33 AM
Now he's got his own thread this thing could run.

Unlike the subject matter who just ambles about with a mirror in his pocket.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2017, 05:52:10 AM
This is meant to be read to Bohemian Rhapsady right?

Exactly what I thought. In fact I read the entire post to the tune.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2017, 05:57:58 AM
This is meant to be read to Bohemian Rhapsady right?

Haha of course!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2017, 06:22:45 AM
Diao, Giroud and AN Other for next season?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 08, 2017, 06:33:28 AM
Fast forward 4 hours to go in the summer window.....
     "please come to us wer'e loaded you know...Hello anyone there?"
 
 
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: bornblue88 on June 08, 2017, 10:22:28 AM
Diao, Giroud and AN Other for next season?

trade Rom for these two and Brahimi?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ell Capitan on June 08, 2017, 06:26:57 PM
He's about our level if we're honest.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 08, 2017, 06:44:25 PM
I really rate him. As I've said in another thread he is massively underrated. He's like a much better version of Pelle (although it is a toss of the coin in terms of the sexy bastard stakes).

He holds the ball up well, has good technique on the floor and scores more than his fair share of headers. He guarantees 15+ goals per season (in all comps at least, although he is about that ball park in the league with significant reduction in playing time). He also has fully adjusted to the league and would be less of a risk than the likes of Lacazette, Dolberg and whoever else. Yes I'd love Lacazette to come here but giroud is definitely a realistic and good target.

I'm putting my FM cap on here and I'm aware of it. Arsed

Lukaku (25 goals, 70-80 mil) Valencia (3 goals, end of loan), Barkley (5 goals, 30 mil) = 100 mil and 32 goals

Giroud (potential 15 goals, 20 mil), Sig (potential 8 goals, 30 mil) Batshuyai (potential 8-12 goals, 35 mil), Keita (potential 5-8 goals, 20 mil) = 105 mil 36-43 goals

Now I'm hoping Barkley stays too but it's still all possible, especially when you factor in transfer fee for Del (10 mil) and some others. I reckon we'd still have a fair whack left to improve the defence  (Pickford, Keane, RB, other CB)

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 08, 2017, 06:47:56 PM
I'd take him, good target man, knows the Premier League, tall, decent on the ground and f*cking ace in the air

What's not to like?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: gizzblue on June 08, 2017, 08:04:16 PM
18 goals pretty much off the bench because Professor Yaffle(wenger) doesn't like him .... id take him hes better than most we have ....oh hang on once lukaku pimps his ass to the Chelsea bench we have zero strikers ...DLC and Mirra can't do it.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blue1948 on June 08, 2017, 09:40:57 PM
I think Giroud in addition to 2 young pacy forward players (Keita,Dembele, Batshuayi maybe?)would be a decent way to go in replacing Rom and giving us more options

Realistically we're not getting any of the top level marksmen around Europe (Lacazette, Griezmann, Lewandowski, Benzema, Aubameyang etc) are we?

Giroud is the next level down and possibly the type of player we are looking at unless we can pull off someone like Dolberg

(Is this the real life?is this just fantasy footy?) - I don't know if these shouts are just pure fantasy

I'd say we're after up and coming but far from the finished article or not currently making the grade at a big club

I doubt very much whether we will sell Lukaku for 90mil and then replace with 1 90mil striker

It might that someone on here would like to "pull off someone like Dolberg" for FREE
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lincs Toffee on June 08, 2017, 09:52:32 PM
I don't rate his missus much, think she's punching above her weight with him, but although he's a bit of a twat i'd still have him here alongside Batshuayi and/or Keita, I don't think we would see a drop in goals next season if we had those.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 08, 2017, 09:58:32 PM
Giroud could also plausibly have a chip on his shoulder, come in with something to prove, etc.  He seems like he still has plenty in the tank, physically.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 08, 2017, 10:45:58 PM
Giroud could also plausibly have a chip on his shoulder, come in with something to prove

Like what?

He's a decent player, no more no less. Nobody is saying otherwise.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 08, 2017, 10:56:47 PM
Like what?

He's a decent player, no more no less. Nobody is saying otherwise.

He believes he was pushed aside unfairly, and deserves to start up top regularly in front of a World Cup.  With the right level of youth/speed behind and around him, perhaps he would be good enough to at least be competitive in Europa and fight for Top 6.

I understand that Top 4 is gone now.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 08, 2017, 10:59:01 PM
Giroud could also plausibly have a chip on his shoulder, come in with something to prove, etc.  He seems like he still has PLENTY IN THE TANK, physically.

And a good shot sir
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GoodisonPk on June 08, 2017, 11:07:21 PM
I rate him
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Juanito on June 09, 2017, 02:08:57 AM
Don't get the Batshuayi shouts. Surely he will be in to provide healthy competion to Lukaku now Costa is leaving.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blue slug on June 09, 2017, 02:14:38 AM
I'd definitely take giroud I think he's a pretty good player, doesn't sulk when in and out of the team either
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 09, 2017, 02:19:23 AM
Don't get the Batshuayi shouts. Surely he will be in to provide healthy competion to Lukaku now Costa is leaving.

He was quoted in an article over here a few days ago saying he really needed to be a starter this season (ahead of the WC).  He then added in "but of course, the club is the boss, so I won't tell them what to do, etc."

Rom being his friend, you would think he would tell Michy that Everton is a very good situation for a young striker to grow and develop.  A 1A/1B situation (necessary with Cup and Europa matches) with him and Giroud seems ideal to me.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on June 09, 2017, 02:39:37 AM
Don't get the Batshuayi shouts. Surely he will be in to provide healthy competion to Lukaku now Costa is leaving.

Conte didn't rate him. Even when Costa was out he played a midfielder upfront until the last few games when the title was done.
If he could recoup what they paid I'm sure he'd rather sign his own striker.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: efcforlife on June 09, 2017, 04:25:45 AM
Don't like his attitude..

Quality player when he's on it though.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on June 10, 2017, 06:12:33 PM
I think he could do a job.

https://twitter.com/afcvideo/status/873263465477091328
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 10, 2017, 06:28:01 PM
I think he could do a job.

https://twitter.com/afcvideo/status/873263465477091328

Yeah but "he celebrated a goal he scored for Arsenal instead of getting back to the halfway line to get the game back underway" remember.

Genuinely can't believe some of the shouts on here at times.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on June 10, 2017, 06:45:38 PM
Yeah but "he celebrated a goal he scored for Arsenal instead of getting back to the halfway line to get the game back underway" remember.

Genuinely can't believe some of the shouts on here at times.


He is a self indulgent meff but he knows where the back of the net is.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Shogun on June 10, 2017, 06:50:30 PM
He is a self indulgent meff but he knows where the back of the net is.

Are we talking about Lukaku or Giroud?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Thomas on June 11, 2017, 04:04:40 AM
Would prefer someone else.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 11, 2017, 06:59:48 AM
That's some hit against Sweden. Classic lefty.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 11, 2017, 07:03:03 AM
That's some hit against Sweden. Classic lefty.

What, does he love Corbyn too?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on June 11, 2017, 08:45:19 AM
Someone with experience like Giroud, add in a younger striker like Sandro and you might have the start of decent forward options.

Apparently West Ham are after Giroud too though...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Silas on June 11, 2017, 01:10:30 PM
Yeah he would be a very good signing and different from Lukaku in style so people should love him.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Juanito on June 11, 2017, 10:27:06 PM
Giroud, Sandro, Klassen? That's a slick looking European front line.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lincs Toffee on June 14, 2017, 03:00:08 AM
Giroud doing what he does best tonight , certainly wouldn't mind him here
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: D15TIN on June 14, 2017, 03:03:11 AM
Someone with experience like Giroud, add in a younger striker like Sandro and you might have the start of decent forward options.

Apparently West Ham are after Giroud too though...
West Ham would be a decent bet to get relegated next season, theyre f*cking shite. Bilic will be first sacked I think
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: gizzblue on June 14, 2017, 03:06:27 AM
West Ham would be a decent bet to get relegated next season, theyre f*cking shite. Bilic will be first sacked I think
Wasn't Bilic nearly sacked the start of last season ....

Giroud is a right pain in the arse to play against ....we need one like him at goodison.....Not since big Dunc have defenders feared goodison ...they used to look gutted even when he was only playing the last ten mins 😅
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: kramer0 on June 14, 2017, 03:18:20 AM
We're doing so well recently targeting players with their primes ahead of them.

Let's not spoil it with an expensive 30 year old.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GLewis on June 14, 2017, 03:44:01 AM
We're doing so well recently targeting players with their primes ahead of them.

Let's not spoil it with an expensive 30 year old.

I suppose it's a question of balance.

I think it'll be hard to sign a striker is either coming into or is in his prime who is a guarantee of goals.

Therefore we'll have to look for either potential or every now and again someone towards the end.

Giroud would be pretty much guaranteed to be good - so as long as we got someone else too who was potential I'd be fine with that (assuming he wasn't too expensive).
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 14, 2017, 03:45:17 AM
We're doing so well recently targeting players with their primes ahead of them.

Exactly. We need someone for here and now also.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on June 14, 2017, 04:02:31 AM
I suppose it's a question of balance.

I think it'll be hard to sign a striker is either coming into or is in his prime who is a guarantee of goals.

Therefore we'll have to look for either potential or every now and again someone towards the end.

Giroud would be pretty much guaranteed to be good - so as long as we got someone else too who was potential I'd be fine with that (assuming he wasn't too expensive).
Like Sandro?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Juanito on June 14, 2017, 06:25:58 AM
I don't think Sandro alone will be enough to replace Lukaku. Especially as he can play on the left of the 3. Think a player like Giroud would be perfect for us.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 14, 2017, 05:10:10 PM
West Ham are reportedly interested in him.....
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Rhys on June 14, 2017, 05:37:26 PM
We're doing so well recently targeting players with their primes ahead of them.

Let's not spoil it with an expensive 30 year old.

Also players who are good as a target man generally get better as they get more experienced and learn more around how to use their body and bring others in. You look at the likes of Lambert, Deeney and Pelle as recent examples in the league who werent much for most of their careers but got to their best a lot later than a lot of strikers. You could look at Giroud and use the same principle his all round game has got better and better over the last few years so he could be a really good asset for someone and score a good amount of goals for another 2-3 seasons.

Giroud works really hard, good technique, strong, protects the ball well and has got 15+ goals in 8 of the last 9 seasons, the only season he didnt he got 14 so is a consistent goalscorer as well.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 14, 2017, 05:48:48 PM
Anyone notice how much better France were last night when Giroud went off and they went down to ten men?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2017, 05:48:57 PM
It's an impressive record for someone who isn't universally regarded as a top drawer player.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blue slug on June 14, 2017, 06:14:54 PM
Anyone notice how much better France were last night when Giroud went off and they went down to ten men?

or how utterly shite England were
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 14, 2017, 06:15:39 PM
Anyone notice how much better France were last night when Giroud went off and they went down to ten men?

Yeah, Stones and Cahill were poor and couldn't handle pace going up against them in Mbappe and Dembele (how many good young players do France have atm? Unreal. Martial and Coman aren't in contention yet were poster boys of Euro 2016)

I also thought Giroud played well, bullied Stones, had a goal harshly disallowed and his header set up their 1st goal
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2017, 06:22:31 PM
Stones continues to flatter to deceive. Although you could argue we didn't make best use of the cash we did well to get that amount for him on his subsequent displays last season up till now. A load of my mates are City season ticket holders and they don't rate him, yet.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on June 14, 2017, 11:32:33 PM
Also players who are good as a target man generally get better as they get more experienced and learn more around how to use their body and bring others in. You look at the likes of Lambert, Deeney and Pelle as recent examples in the league who werent much for most of their careers but got to their best a lot later than a lot of strikers. You could look at Giroud and use the same principle his all round game has got better and better over the last few years so he could be a really good asset for someone and score a good amount of goals for another 2-3 seasons.

Giroud works really hard, good technique, strong, protects the ball well and has got 15+ goals in 8 of the last 9 seasons, the only season he didnt he got 14 so is a consistent goalscorer as well.

He's only a year younger than Rooney, but you'd have to say the value proposition seems far higher in a signing like Giroud even if the initial fee would be higher in the latter case.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 14, 2017, 11:35:27 PM
He's only a year younger than Rooney, but you'd have to say the value proposition seems far higher in a signing like Giroud even if initially would be higher in the latter case.

Giroud is also in much better physical condition (and seems to has less wear on the tyres).
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Fieldy618 on June 29, 2017, 03:27:29 AM
This bitter article from the loveable Hammers though  lolol

http://www.claretandhugh.info/everton-set-to-rival-irons-for-giroud/
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on June 29, 2017, 03:30:59 AM
This bitter article from the loveable Hammers though  lolol

http://www.claretandhugh.info/everton-set-to-rival-irons-for-giroud/

Arene Wenger
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 29, 2017, 03:33:53 AM
Arene Wenger
Oh come on arene
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 29, 2017, 03:50:15 AM
Everton pushing prices up...we've  arrived..
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 02, 2017, 03:14:05 PM
Linked again today in the paper that shall not be named
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 02, 2017, 03:17:17 PM
Love that West Ham forum.

'Everton = this years' Leeds?'
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Alanvideo on July 02, 2017, 03:29:32 PM
Giroud likes his hub caps and stereo ? Back to the 70's  lolol
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 02, 2017, 10:26:08 PM
70s grand..
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 02, 2017, 10:56:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Coral/status/881441063524749312
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 02, 2017, 11:33:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Coral/status/881441063524749312

Do you think we should have a separate thread for each of the 379 players we're in for?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Escla on July 02, 2017, 11:39:04 PM
Well at least we have a list now instead of waiting untill the day before the window closes to announce a couple of loan deals.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 02, 2017, 11:51:51 PM
Would love him here
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cozzie on July 02, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
Yeah I am actually warming to him coming here.

Would compliment Koemans style perfectly.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 02, 2017, 11:59:13 PM
He'd be great here, I'm not building any hopes up tho
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: ian1878nsno on July 03, 2017, 12:13:04 AM
Giroud, not for me for a couple of reasons. He would not be anything but an impact player.

He's never scored more than 16 premier league goals in a season and is past his prime, so unlikely to anytime soon.

For him to come to us, he would no doubt want guarantee on playing time, due that being the very reason he wants to leave arsenal and that couldn't/shouldn't be agreed by us. So he might as well stay at arsenal, being a world cup year.

His wage demands would probably be extreme for game time and age. King at Bournemouth, scored as many in league at his age, got more offer as impact player and we would be considered a step up and probably a lot less wage demand.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Shogun on July 03, 2017, 12:14:38 AM
I just think signing a 30 year old who lacks pace to be our Lukaku replacement is a really bad idea.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GLewis on July 03, 2017, 12:27:42 AM
I just think signing a 30 year old who lacks pace to be our Lukaku replacement is a really bad idea.

This would be my principal reservation - unless we had pace on both flanks but we don't seem to be looking at that.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 03, 2017, 12:29:47 AM
I just think signing a 30 year old who lacks pace to be our Lukaku replacement is a really bad idea.
If he isn't a Lukaku replacement tho it would be good
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 03, 2017, 12:34:49 AM
I just think signing a 30 year old who lacks pace to be our Lukaku replacement is a really bad idea.

I don;t think Giroud would be a Lukaku replacement - I think he would be part of a system of 3 or 4 players this season and in a season or two (or three or four) when we have shown improvements each year - then I think we may finally be able to attract Lukaku's genuine replacement.

And it won't be Giroud.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 03, 2017, 12:51:05 AM
Oooh Joyce running with it now

https://twitter.com/TimesSport/status/881566641200308224
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 03, 2017, 01:00:13 AM
Oooh Joyce running with it now

https://twitter.com/TimesSport/status/881566641200308224

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/kwNSxdqqutsEE/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on July 03, 2017, 01:00:28 AM
I think he would be a brilliant signing.

The sigurdson deal would make a lot more sense as well.

Plus, just fucking look at him.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2017, 01:03:22 AM
Signing him will put an end to the twat scoring against us
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Shogun on July 03, 2017, 01:04:04 AM
I prefer our approach of signing other team's best players like Klaasen and Sigurdsson.

Our competition for Giroud is West Ham. He'd get nowhere near anyone else in the top four/six hence why he's being shipped out of Arsenal.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 01:09:46 AM
I think he'd be a good signing. He can score and has a decent ratio. He can also bring others into the game which will be vital to the way we play. Roms goals will be spread out amongst the team now.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on July 03, 2017, 01:13:18 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Giroud

Solid goalscoring record that.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on July 03, 2017, 01:17:20 AM
I'd be worried that Giroud and Sigurdsson would make us very pedestrian as an attacking force.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 03, 2017, 01:19:24 AM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/kwNSxdqqutsEE/giphy.gif)

Unzips flies
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Alanvideo on July 03, 2017, 01:37:26 AM
Giroud would be a better signing than Rooney ,for about the same money. Plus , he'd be our first hipster.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 03, 2017, 01:39:59 AM
I'm bang up for this.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Juanito on July 03, 2017, 01:44:55 AM
I don't think we will get a replacement for Lukaku, at the moment he is a bit irreplaceable.

Giroud brings guaranteed goals, experience and hold up play. He can still run, unlike Rooney if not very fast and alongside Sandro and another I think we would be quite stylish going forward.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 01:51:14 AM
I prefer our approach of signing other team's best players like Klaasen and Sigurdsson.

Our competition for Giroud is West Ham. He'd get nowhere near anyone else in the top four/six hence why he's being shipped out of Arsenal.

Weren't West Brom our only competition for Schneiderlin?
(And Lukaku for that matter?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Shogun on July 03, 2017, 02:01:56 AM
Weren't West Brom our only competition for Schneiderlin?
(And Lukaku for that matter?

Schneiderlin couldn't get a game though.

Giroud does and I don't think he's good enough.

I don't really get the guarantees goals thing either, he seems to have a goal drought at some point every season.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: sam of the south on July 03, 2017, 02:05:00 AM
I prefer our approach of signing other team's best players like Klaasen and Sigurdsson.

Our competition for Giroud is West Ham. He'd get nowhere near anyone else in the top four/six hence why he's being shipped out of Arsenal.

No teams above us in the league were sniffing around Andy Gray when we bought him (although Man U did like the look of him the year before he signed for us) yet he turned out to be the perfect man for the job.

Could be the same with Giroud and this current version of Everton.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 03, 2017, 02:06:17 AM
Schneiderlin couldn't get a game though.

Giroud does and I don't think he's good enough.

I don't really get the guarantees goals thing either, he seems to have a goal drought at some point every season.
As does every forward
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 02:14:32 AM
So giroud must be better than Schneiderlin then? He gets a game for the top 4 whilst Schneiderlin couldn't for a top 6 club?

Every. Single. Striker. EVER has a drought at some point in a season. None of them score 38+ goals in 38 games.

If we can improve our midfield output of goals then we only need a focus point in attack to get 15 goals to keep us on course for 7th.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 03, 2017, 02:33:25 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Giroud

Solid goalscoring record that.





Very solid and at the top level too.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GoodisonPk on July 03, 2017, 02:44:38 AM
People thumbing there noses at Giroud? You are kidding!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Heisenberg on July 03, 2017, 02:50:31 AM
I just wish he was a bit younger. Almost 31, likely to pick an injury up during the season
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: bornblue88 on July 03, 2017, 03:15:19 AM
A no-brainier at the right price
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 03:15:32 AM
He'll be good for us, I don't doubt it for one second. Classy finisher, more of a team player than Rom, and as that's the approach we need to go, absolutely perfect.

He scored 16 goals last season and played less than 30 games I think. That's an excellent ratio.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Hesmenos on July 03, 2017, 04:18:11 AM
Giroud scored a goal every 100 minutes played last season. Only Kane had a better record and he's not even on penalties.
He's gotten double figures in the Premier League for the last 5 seasons. I think the last player to do that for us was Latchford :hail:
If we get Giroud I'm pretty certain he will get us goals. If he can give us 2 seasons of double figures plus creating chances for those around him then that will be a top signing
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Rhys on July 03, 2017, 04:20:06 AM
I don't really get the guarantees goals thing either, he seems to have a goal drought at some point every season.

10/11 - 14
11/12 - 25
12/13 - 17
13/14 - 22
14/15 - 19
15/16 - 24
16/17 - 16

Yes he's been at a very good team for most of that time but I bet there arent many strikers who've scored that many goals consistently season in season out. Especially when you factor in only 5 of his goals for Arsenal have been penalties. Thats before what he can offer from a team perspective as well.

I didnt really rate him when he first came over but his game got better and better and he has been really good for Arsenal. He looks after himself and works hard so i dont see his level dropping hugely over the next 2 years. We'd play a different way with him for sure but for things like playing away from home he'd make us a much better team with him as a focal point and players like Sandro/Sigurdsson off him than we have been with ross and rom's unpredictability from a team perspective in those games.

But I agree the more pace you could add in around him the better.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 03, 2017, 05:41:37 AM
10/11 - 14
11/12 - 25
12/13 - 17
13/14 - 22
14/15 - 19
15/16 - 24
16/17 - 16

Yes he's been at a very good team for most of that time but I bet there arent many strikers who've scored that many goals consistently season in season out. Especially when you factor in only 5 of his goals for Arsenal have been penalties. Thats before what he can offer from a team perspective as well.

I didnt really rate him when he first came over but his game got better and better and he has been really good for Arsenal. He looks after himself and works hard so i dont see his level dropping hugely over the next 2 years. We'd play a different way with him for sure but for things like playing away from home he'd make us a much better team with him as a focal point and players like Sandro/Sigurdsson off him than we have been with ross and rom's unpredictability from a team perspective in those games.

But I agree the more pace you could add in around him the better.

I just think he makes so much sense from a Koeman POV.

He's basically Pelle but better, then he'll want Sandro, Klaassen, Keita's Plan B, and maybe Sig buzzing around him.

I like it. Still have a soft spot for a big man up top, especially when they have a bit of technique which he does.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Escla on July 03, 2017, 11:58:04 AM
I just wish he was a bit younger. Almost 31, likely to pick an injury up during the season

So is Messi, Ronaldo almost 33, would you turn down either of those two ?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 03, 2017, 02:05:05 PM
Giroud linked with us again in a few papers. Hope we get him. Proven Prem striker, good hold up play, beast of a left foot, good target man, 15-20 goals if service is right.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 03, 2017, 02:17:54 PM
Paul Joyce of The Times running with this now. He usually knows his stuff.

Giroud wouldn't come here to sit on the bench so this has to be a Lukaku contingency.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Alanvideo on July 03, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
from Paul Joyce ,  The Times..........
<< Everton want to sign Olivier Giroud from Arsenal to bolster their attack in the expectation that Romelu Lukaku will leave Goodison Park, with Chelsea and Manchester United leading the chase for the Belgium striker  >>
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2017, 02:33:17 PM
Olly G

ahaha

I'm sorry
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 03, 2017, 02:38:37 PM
Olly G

ahaha

I'm sorry
You should be!

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Starting to think Walsh has been involved in some kind of farcial spy comedy type escapade and brought the West Ham target list instead of the Leicester one.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 03, 2017, 07:19:54 PM
So is this dependent on Arsenal getting Lacazette for £44M?

Heard Arsenal put in £125M bid for Mbappe - they'll shit themselves if it's actually accepted.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 07:24:28 PM
So is this dependent on Arsenal getting Lacazette for £44M?

Heard Arsenal put in £125M bid for Mbappe - they'll shit themselves if it's actually accepted.



Goes to show where the market is doesn't it.

We may have spent £90+m in total within the next day or 2. But figures being what they are, that won't look as impressive come the end of this window.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 03, 2017, 07:25:00 PM
Giroud would be great. Think if we eneded up losing Lukaku and replacing with Giroud/Sandro/Rooney and Dembele or Inheanacho. Think we would be a lot stronger as a team and have a few different ways of playing. Unlike how one dimensional we are with Lukaku up top.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 07:29:58 PM
Guaranteed the teams who leave their business until late July-August this year will end up blowing far more than we have done by getting things sorted early. The market will really start to explode once the bigger boys start to splash the cash and it raises the bar again. If we spend £100m on 5-6 players but recoup that again from Lukaku, Del etc... we'll have done some smart business without even making more than a ripple in our finances.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on July 03, 2017, 07:39:35 PM
Heard Arsenal put in £125M bid for Mbappe - they'll shit themselves if it's actually accepted.

I work with an Arsenal fan, and apparently this rumour came out at the same time season ticket renewals were due. Sounds familiar?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: kramer0 on July 03, 2017, 08:30:53 PM
I still don't like this one.

All of our completed (and alleged soon-to-be-completed) deals this summer have been for players in the age 20-24 range with demonstrated ability at a good level (exception: Onyekuru, who was cheap and is being loaned out to a club that competes in Europe). Or, to say it more directly, we've signed players who are good today and who will improve in the near future. This is exactly the market we should be working if our long-term goal is to close the gap with last season's top six. We don't have the power to compete with those clubs financially (maybe Spurs but not right now because they're way ahead of us) which is why need to improve the squad in a sustainable way. We've probably overpaid for Pickford, Klaassen, and (allegedly) Keane but all three will retain most of their value over the next 2-3 years (if they don't actually appreciate in value).

Giroud is a good player. He's a stylistic fit if Koeman wants us to play like his Southampton sides and he might age well for a striker given his playing style. The problem is that whatever we spend on him today is gone because nobody is spending more than a nominal fee on a 33-34 year old forwad. That is money we won't have to reinvest in the squad, which reinvestment is necessary for closing the gap with the clubs that are currently ahead of us. The best case scenario for Giroud is he's good for a few years, then we're back to where we started. Maybe we think we're good enough to win the Europa League with him, or that our league form will be good enough to qualify for the Champions League. I'm skeptical. I think our squad needs more work to challenge for those things.

If we build the squad in a sustainable way, we'll eventually have opportunities to push our chips in on a signing like this one. Right now, I think it's a miscalculation. We'll be much better off in the long-run if we continue to look for players age 26 and under, players who will still have value in 2-3 years.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 08:38:14 PM
I still don't like this one.

All of our completed (and alleged soon-to-be-completed) deals this summer have been for players in the age 20-24 range with demonstrated ability at a good level (exception: Onyekuru, who was cheap and is being loaned out to a club that competes in Europe). Or, to say it more directly, we've signed players who are good today and who will improve in the near future. This is exactly the market we should be working if our long-term goal is to close the gap with last season's top six. We don't have the power to compete with those clubs financially (maybe Spurs but not right now because they're way ahead of us) which is why need to improve the squad in a sustainable way. We've probably overpaid for Pickford, Klaassen, and (allegedly) Keane but all three will retain most of their value over the next 2-3 years (if they don't actually appreciate in value).

Giroud is a good player. He's a stylistic fit if Koeman wants us to play like his Southampton sides and he might age well for a striker given his playing style. The problem is that whatever we spend on him today is gone because nobody is spending more than a nominal fee on a 33-34 year old forwad. That is money we won't have to reinvest in the squad, which reinvestment is necessary for closing the gap with the clubs that are currently ahead of us. The best case scenario for Giroud is he's good for a few years, then we're back to where we started. Maybe we think we're good enough to win the Europa League with him, or that our league form will be good enough to qualify for the Champions League. I'm skeptical. I think our squad needs more work to challenge for those things.

If we build the squad in a sustainable way, we'll eventually have opportunities to push our chips in on a signing like this one. Right now, I think it's a miscalculation. We'll be much better off in the long-run if we continue to look for players age 26 and under, players who will still have value in 2-3 years.

It's only 20 million. Not every signing we make should be with a view to a sell on fee. We have bought a young striker and loaned him out for a season. We get three good seasons out of Giroud who is a proven goal scorer and performer in the league. Next season we bring the lad from Anderlecht back over. He will no doubt be blended in with the team over time with a view to eventually replacing Giroud. We eventually let Giroud on a free or get a few million for him.

All for the outlay of 27 million.

I wonder if Arsenal fans were as worried when they splashed out 10 million on an aging Arteta?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 08:46:36 PM
I still don't like this one.

All of our completed (and alleged soon-to-be-completed) deals this summer have been for players in the age 20-24 range with demonstrated ability at a good level (exception: Onyekuru, who was cheap and is being loaned out to a club that competes in Europe). Or, to say it more directly, we've signed players who are good today and who will improve in the near future. This is exactly the market we should be working if our long-term goal is to close the gap with last season's top six. We don't have the power to compete with those clubs financially (maybe Spurs but not right now because they're way ahead of us) which is why need to improve the squad in a sustainable way. We've probably overpaid for Pickford, Klaassen, and (allegedly) Keane but all three will retain most of their value over the next 2-3 years (if they don't actually appreciate in value).

Giroud is a good player. He's a stylistic fit if Koeman wants us to play like his Southampton sides and he might age well for a striker given his playing style. The problem is that whatever we spend on him today is gone because nobody is spending more than a nominal fee on a 33-34 year old forwad. That is money we won't have to reinvest in the squad, which reinvestment is necessary for closing the gap with the clubs that are currently ahead of us. The best case scenario for Giroud is he's good for a few years, then we're back to where we started. Maybe we think we're good enough to win the Europa League with him, or that our league form will be good enough to qualify for the Champions League. I'm skeptical. I think our squad needs more work to challenge for those things.

If we build the squad in a sustainable way, we'll eventually have opportunities to push our chips in on a signing like this one. Right now, I think it's a miscalculation. We'll be much better off in the long-run if we continue to look for players age 26 and under, players who will still have value in 2-3 years.

Would you argue that it is better to kick the can further down the road than not deal with it at all?

Yes, we may lose £20m now. But if he is the best available to us today, does it not make sense to give ourselves a year or 2 to potential higher-value targets?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 08:46:49 PM
It's one thing aiming for players sub-26 years old for value purposes but another in big games when you need a few experienced heads out there to steady the ship if we're rattled or have conceded early.

A look at our squad now sees only three players in the experienced camp, with two of them playing the last season of their career and probably won't play more than a dozen games each all season, at best. The only regular starter with any serious amount of games under their belt is Baines, who isn't a very vocal or influential character.

We need more experience in the squad for a 60+ game season, vying to break into the top 6 and trying to win some silverware. Not all signings of that age make financial sense but their influence in the dressing room is a must.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
The top teams have gone this route several times as well. Chelsea with Drogba coming back, Utd with Ibrahimovich and Henrik Laarson for example.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Robioto on July 03, 2017, 08:51:02 PM
I still don't like this one.

All of our completed (and alleged soon-to-be-completed) deals this summer have been for players in the age 20-24 range with demonstrated ability at a good level (exception: Onyekuru, who was cheap and is being loaned out to a club that competes in Europe). Or, to say it more directly, we've signed players who are good today and who will improve in the near future. This is exactly the market we should be working if our long-term goal is to close the gap with last season's top six. We don't have the power to compete with those clubs financially (maybe Spurs but not right now because they're way ahead of us) which is why need to improve the squad in a sustainable way. We've probably overpaid for Pickford, Klaassen, and (allegedly) Keane but all three will retain most of their value over the next 2-3 years (if they don't actually appreciate in value).

Giroud is a good player. He's a stylistic fit if Koeman wants us to play like his Southampton sides and he might age well for a striker given his playing style. The problem is that whatever we spend on him today is gone because nobody is spending more than a nominal fee on a 33-34 year old forwad. That is money we won't have to reinvest in the squad, which reinvestment is necessary for closing the gap with the clubs that are currently ahead of us. The best case scenario for Giroud is he's good for a few years, then we're back to where we started. Maybe we think we're good enough to win the Europa League with him, or that our league form will be good enough to qualify for the Champions League. I'm skeptical. I think our squad needs more work to challenge for those things.

If we build the squad in a sustainable way, we'll eventually have opportunities to push our chips in on a signing like this one. Right now, I think it's a miscalculation. We'll be much better off in the long-run if we continue to look for players age 26 and under, players who will still have value in 2-3 years.

I think this is the first time I've disagreed with you you kramer. :)

If Lukaku goes a player like Giroud is exactly what we need. A player that you know what you are getting and is guaranteed to score a good number of goals, he is also a player that suites Koeman's style in that he is very similar to Pelle but a better player. If we are going down the route ot having a big striker up top with lots of runners around him then Giroud is a perfect fit at the moment in time in my opinion to hold the ball up and bring these players into the game as well as getting his fair share of goals.

Giroud is only 30 (31 in September) and is not going to lose pace as he doesn't really have any anyway. And although he will lose value, we aren't buying potential, we would be a buying a player to make an impact right now who has bundles of expereince in big games at National, European and International levels. I'm all for buying players what will make us sustainable, but I believe it has to be a mix of proven experience and potential talent to take us to the next level.

I agree with you that we should be looking in the under 26 bracket, but that should be an 'as well' and not an 'instead of'. Buy Giroud where you know what you are getting then go and get a Dembele (Celtic) or an Iheanacho type player as well.

Just my thoughts, I'm all for Giroud, if (when) Lukaku goes.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on July 03, 2017, 08:52:26 PM
The top teams have gone this route several times as well. Chelsea with Drogba coming back, Utd with Ibrahimovich and Henrik Laarson for example.

No fees involved in any of them deals if iirc and even if there was they're clearly working in a different financial world to us.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 08:55:43 PM
He'll get you 15 goals a season. He'll be the perfect target man to hold the ball up and bring others into play as well as the big lump up front if we have to go direct into the area. He's a lot, lot better than the general perception of him, in fact you can hold his goalscoring record up there with Lukaku's, but over a longer period of time.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: velimski on July 03, 2017, 08:57:12 PM
The top teams have gone this route several times as well. Chelsea with Drogba coming back, Utd with Ibrahimovich and Henrik Laarson for example.

Difference being that no transfer fee was paid for any of them.

RVP would be a better example.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 08:58:39 PM
No fees involved in any of them deals if iirc and even if there was they're clearly working in a different financial world to us.

Apart from huge signing on fees and wages.

20 million is not a lot of money for us anymore.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 09:00:04 PM
Apart from huge signing on fees and wages.

20 million is not a lot of money for us anymore.

It's not an insignificant amount either really.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: kramer0 on July 03, 2017, 09:02:51 PM
I agree with you that we should be looking in the under 26 bracket, but that should be an 'as well' and not an 'instead of'. Buy Giroud where you know what you are getting then go and get a Dembele (Celtic) or an Iheanacho type player as well.

Iheanacho and Giroud both want regular games. I assume that signing one precludes us from signing the other.

If we could get both, I'd make absolutely no stink about signing Giroud. Iheanacho should be the priority though.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on July 03, 2017, 09:09:27 PM
Apart from huge signing on fees and wages.

20 million is not a lot of money for us anymore.

You think Giroud won't want a singing on fee and wages?

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 09:17:57 PM
You think Giroud won't want a singing on fee and wages?



Of course, but it won't be a huge signing on fee as if he was a feebie.

Look at the bigger picture. We have signed half a team for the amount we're likely to get from the sale of Lukaku. I'm sure we can afford to write off 20 million for the sake of a proven premiership striker who can come into the team and do the job instantly. And it won't even be a write off because our chances for success are greater. We get a striker who would probably score 80% of the goals Lukaku does, plus is more of a team player which will be vital to the way we play.

This really is a no brainer. Older, proven, experienced forwards as the one's I've mentioned, can still do a job.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on July 03, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
Of course, but it won't be a huge signing on fee as if he was a feebie.

Look at the bigger picture. We have signed half a team for the amount we're likely to get from the sale of Lukaku. I'm sure we can afford to write off 20 million for the sake of a proven premiership striker who can come into the team and do the job instantly. And it won't even be a write off because our chances for success are greater. We get a striker who would probably score 80% of the goals Lukaku does, plus is more of a team player which will be vital to the way we play.

This really is a no brainer. Older, proven, experienced forwards as the one's I've mentioned, can still do a job.

The bigger picture would see us buying someone who was entering their prime not leaving it.

There's a risk of tying down a 31 year old to a very long contract that the next manager in in two years really has no plans for so he's left draining our wage bill while we've got no way of recuperating anything. We've seen it before when the tv money started rolling in and we did this sort of thing with Campbell and Ferguson and soon regretted it. We're even seeing it now at Utd with Rooney.

We don't need to make the same mistakes over and over again. The only way we'll bridge the gap to the richer teams above us is by being smart with our money, not by being cavalier and throwing it about at anyone.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on July 03, 2017, 09:43:15 PM
Sign Oliver?

Giroud not to.....
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 09:44:33 PM
The bigger picture would see us buying someone who was entering their prime not leaving it.

There's a risk of tying down a 31 year old to a very long contract that the next manager in in two years really has no plans for so he's left draining our wage bill while we've got no way of recuperating anything. We've seen it before when the tv money started rolling in and we did this sort of thing with Campbell and Ferguson and soon regretted it. We're even seeing it now at Utd with Rooney.

We don't need to make the same mistakes over and over again. The only way we'll bridge the gap to the richer teams above us is by being smart with our money, not by being cavalier and throwing it about at anyone.

Ok. Name a proven premiership striker who is available for 20 million who can instantly come in and do a good job and be reliable.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 09:49:14 PM
Heads falling off about resale values before a player has even signed. The true test of a players worth is not what value they have in a few years but what they deliver on the pitch when they're here. Let's not lose sight of the reason we buy players in the first place.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 03, 2017, 09:51:16 PM
I think he would be a brilliant signing.

The sigurdson deal would make a lot more sense as well.

Plus, just fucking look at him.
he's proper dreamy isn't he
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 03, 2017, 09:52:23 PM
No fees involved in any of them deals if iirc and even if there was they're clearly working in a different financial world to us.

They were both 33-4 and out of contract when they ended up at United and Chelsea though.  If they'd have tried to buy them 2 years earlier in contract then there'd have been a fee involved.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 09:59:32 PM
Heads falling off about resale values before a player has even signed. The true test of a players worth is not what value they have in a few years but what they deliver on the pitch when they're here. Let's not lose sight of the reason we buy players in the first place.

Exactly. Why did Arsenal spunk 10 million on Arteta who was the same age? Because he was proven and could do a job. Not every signing needs to be in terms of long term sell on fees. Some signings are for here and now. That's why we invest in younger players for little money with the view of a long term financial gain and playing time. You have to do both.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: van der Meyde on July 03, 2017, 10:15:31 PM
I think we probably need to have a more holistic view where resale value is concerned.

Iheanacho, for example, might have more of a resale value, but we probably can't buy him without agreeing to City having a buyback clause. Even then he would be a risk given most of his minutes and goals have came against tiring defences.

Giroud is an almost guarantee of goals and his all round game is very good. His replacement is signed not by the transfer fee recouped but the prize money that his performances earn us.

Ideally we would supplement signing him with signing somebody who's younger with a much higher ceiling (hey, look, we're signing Sandro!), but the transfer on its own makes an awful lot of sense.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: bacon sarnie on July 03, 2017, 10:24:58 PM
Sign Oliver?

Giroud not to.....

Jack Wild says please sir - no more!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 03, 2017, 10:28:12 PM
We need to sign a proven Premier League striker and pay the premium that comes with that. All of our forward signings this summer are new to the Premier League and we must consider that they may take time to settle.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 03, 2017, 10:35:09 PM
It's giroud over inheacho all day long for me
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 03, 2017, 11:10:10 PM
Jack Wild says please sir - no more!

Brilliant reference
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheTone on July 03, 2017, 11:17:21 PM
There'll be 35k women and 5k lids at Goodison next season if we have Giroud and Ramirez up front
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 03, 2017, 11:24:57 PM
This is all work in progress and this window is not 'the end of it'. Leaving money aside we are not well enough advanced to be signing the world's best at the top of their game as they want to be competing for major trophies. Even if this window works out well we are another step towards that but not there yet. In the meantime a team is being built with the youngsters we are bringing on and bringing in. We already have some great players but we need to strengthen from what is available.
If Giroud and Rooney come plus one of the others we are supposedly interested in then, with those already here, perhaps we should look at the options they give us during a game as a group and not just moan because we want another Lukaku, Kane, or whoever. Individually they may not be 'it' but collectively they move us yet another step forward. I remain firmly in the belief that 2019-20 is when we see it come to fruition.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Gary1878 on July 03, 2017, 11:27:35 PM
I think the stage we are now at, we need proven players. Looking at resale values is important when you can't afford the best, and when you can only buy second or third tier players. When you are going after the best, you have to pay top dollar, because you are getting the best players at the peak of their careers.

It is a bit of a cliche, but its all about demand and supply, and quality players in their peak that can make a difference in the big games in the Premier League come at a premium. Although 30 years old, Giroud is one of those players.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: velimski on July 03, 2017, 11:31:05 PM
If Moshiri (the accountant) thinks we can afford to spend £20m on an almost 31 year old striker, then I think we should trust his judgement.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 11:31:57 PM
The upside value of a Sandro balances out the downside of a Giroud. If both together they produce the goods on the pitch then that's good enough for me as a fan. I'll let the billionaire accountant sort out the finances as I imagine he knows a thing or two about that. 
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluedylan on July 03, 2017, 11:33:41 PM
Get Dolberg instead.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 03, 2017, 11:54:14 PM
It's giroud over inheacho all day long for me

Assuming Rom goes, why not both?  If he doesn't go, it's an either/or and I'm happy either way.  But I really think Giroud has something to prove and fits very nicely alongside what we have signed so far.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 03, 2017, 11:56:17 PM
Iheanacho and Giroud both want regular games. I assume that signing one precludes us from signing the other.

If we could get both, I'd make absolutely no stink about signing Giroud. Iheanacho should be the priority though.


But Giroud can't play 90 minutes week in and week out, especially with Europe on our plate.  A 1A/1B situation is perfect for him.  Seems ideal for Ihenacho, too.  That's exactly the right step up in minutes, with more to come each season if he progresses (as Giroud ages).
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2017, 11:57:14 PM
The women will be sliding off their seats, moist!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: van der Meyde on July 04, 2017, 12:00:01 AM
I think we can learn a lot from Atletico Madrid when replacing Rom here.

We all look at the players they've lost and how they've replaced them. Aguero with Falcao, Falcao with Costa, Costa with Griezman...

Throughout this though they've generally supplemented their younger strikers with older, more experienced heads. They've got a 33 year old Torres who's scored 28 goals over the past 2.5 seasons. They had a 30+ David Villa scoring 15 in his one season there. Gameiro and Mandzukic were both late 20s when they signed, while Forlan played into his 30s there.

Having experienced strikers to fall back helps maintain a decent general standard, which is especially important when we're trying to establish a top 7 rather than a top 6. It also, arguably, aids the development of the younger strikers we bring in by relieving the pressure.

Only signing players who are 28+ would be daft on a squad management basis, but turning our nose up at older players based only on their age would be equally so.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Rhys on July 04, 2017, 12:01:02 AM
Iheanacho and Giroud both want regular games. I assume that signing one precludes us from signing the other.

If we could get both, I'd make absolutely no stink about signing Giroud. Iheanacho should be the priority though.


Iheanacho could be the priority if he was either the Sandro signing or he was more proven in my opinion. As I've said before he's started 12 league games in his life, there is a chance that there is no re sale value on him for 25m because his level might not be premier league if he can't start games and can only make an impact from the bench.

Giroud would only be if rom is going I reckon, and for that we are looking for someone who can be as big a guarantee as possible for getting a good goal return which his record is as proven as they come. We have signed Sandro for 5m, onyekuru for 7m are the potential strikers with potential huge growth in re sale value or long term value if they stay with low risk fees.

If we went for iheanacho as well that is all gamble on potential. With giroud you know you are getting a good player who scores a lot of goals in this league as well as doing a good job for the team. That takes the pressure off Sandro somewhat and the risk of losing rom is he guarantees 20-25 goals, giroud probably gets 15-20 for us which if he did that for 2-3 years and cost 20m, even if we no resale value because of the other signings and where they will hopefully be in their development by then means no resale value for giroud isn't as big a deal.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: hill135 on July 04, 2017, 12:59:57 AM
Giroud is a fantastic player. He's slow as shit and fairly inconsistent but other than that a complete centre forward. Can finish both with his head and his feet and his link up play some of the best in the league. And his goal record is impressive no matter what anyone says.

The idea of two goal threats in Sandro and Klaasen dovetailing with this guy as a very tidy target man is a really exciting prospect in my view.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 01:05:09 AM
Assuming Rom goes, why not both?  If he doesn't go, it's an either/or and I'm happy either way.  But I really think Giroud has something to prove and fits very nicely alongside what we have signed so far.
Inheacho has done fuck all to warrant 25m price tag.
He's scored tap ins in general and not a lot more

As rhys said he has started 12 games. If it was about 8m you'd think maybe but no, not for me

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 04, 2017, 02:25:26 AM
Get Dolberg instead as well.

 ;D
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: bacon sarnie on July 04, 2017, 03:30:39 AM
Brilliant reference

Thanks, man. Harry Secombe was ace as well.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 04, 2017, 03:31:51 AM
Thanks, man. Harry Secombe was ace as well.

Interesting fact - his son was the voice of Watto in Star Wars Episode 1
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: bacon sarnie on July 04, 2017, 03:34:19 AM
Interesting fact - his son was the voice of Watto in Star Wars Episode 1

Ah, never knew that, the things one learns on here. Harry, Mike and Spike live on. Consider yourself...part of the furniture!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 04, 2017, 03:39:07 AM
Ah, never knew that, the things one learns on here. Harry, Mike and Spike live on. Consider yourself...part of the furniture!

How could you miss out Peter?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: bacon sarnie on July 04, 2017, 04:07:59 AM
How could you miss out Peter?

Oh no, that'll get me On the Wrong Arm of the Law. Shot in the Dark wasn't it!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Craig_1878 on July 04, 2017, 04:37:08 AM
I think he'd be a great signing, he would guarantee goals and he also seems to be the sort of target man that Koeman likes to go for.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 04, 2017, 04:42:17 AM
Hes said tonight he wants to stay at Arsenal.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 04, 2017, 04:49:14 AM
Hes said tonight he wants to stay at Arsenal.

May not have a choice
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: D_murph0278 on July 04, 2017, 04:51:09 AM
Can't ever see Giroud playing for us. He's too much of a 'London luvee'.
Can be a good player on his day.... but tbh   he's a French cunt.
I quite like the idea of Duvan Zapata who's been linked. He looks like he could be a bargain for someone.
All very interesting and exciting people!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: plowman2 on July 04, 2017, 05:37:09 AM
'.
Can be a good player on his day.... but tbh   he's a French cunt.


Not liking that!

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 04, 2017, 05:57:28 AM
Not liking that!



Well, he's half right.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: ncstate4jpc on July 04, 2017, 07:03:05 AM
Well, he's half right.

Wait, he's not French?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluedylan on July 04, 2017, 06:44:40 PM
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2017/07/04/were-going-to-sign-olivier-giroud-for-bargain-fee-everton-scout-confirms-swoop/342011/
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Hawkandro on July 04, 2017, 06:50:43 PM
This Jacomuzzi seems to like talking to the press. Hopefully won't scupper any potential deals.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 04, 2017, 07:11:28 PM
This Jacomuzzi seems to like talking to the press. Hopefully won't scupper any potential deals.

He certainly helped get those other deals from Italian clubs over the line didn't he.....  :whistle:
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 04, 2017, 07:25:31 PM
He certainly helped get those other deals from Italian clubs over the line didn't he.....  :whistle:

I'm wondering if there's nothing in Italy worth buying now. How long were they over there?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on July 04, 2017, 07:26:58 PM
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2017/07/04/were-going-to-sign-olivier-giroud-for-bargain-fee-everton-scout-confirms-swoop/342011/

Link wont open in work.

What does it say?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 04, 2017, 07:29:48 PM
Link wont open in work.

What does it say?


I got an alert from my virus software from it. But anyway...



Everton scout Carlo Jacomuzzi says the Toffees have cooled their interest in Napoli striker Duvan Zapata as they focus on signing Olivier Giroud from Arsenal.

The Premier League side have been linked with a swoop for Zapata, a striker that Jacomuzzi says would cost €25m to sign from Napoli.

It is Giroud who Everton are now focused on though, the scout says, feeling that Arsenal's French striker offers a potential bargain if he can be signed for £20m, meaning interest in Zapata is no longer relevant.

Jacomuzzi said on Italian radio station Radio Crc, when asked about interest in Zapata: "Not anymore.

Giroud struggled for regular starts at Arsenal last season and his situation is set to get worse as the Gunners are close to signing Alexandre Lacazette from Lyon for a club record transfer fee.

For Giroud, playing regular first team football next season is essential if he wants to book a spot in Didier Deschamps' France squad for next summer's World Cup in Russia.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on July 04, 2017, 07:29:54 PM
Link wont open in work.

What does it say?

A scout of ours told an Italian radio station that we're signing Giroud for 20m, and have therefore cooled our interest in Italian targets.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: keverton1971 on July 04, 2017, 07:30:30 PM
says were going to buy giroud for a bargain 20mil compared to the 25mil for zapata
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluedylan on July 04, 2017, 07:30:45 PM
Link wont open in work.

What does it say?

Buy your work clobber at Jacamo.

(also the Italian scout fella quite nonchalantly says we've fucked Zapata off and 'are getting Giroud for £20m' in a radio interview)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: kramer0 on July 04, 2017, 08:06:59 PM
Are we sure that that guy is actually an Everton employee?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 08:10:14 PM
Are we sure that that guy is actually an Everton employee?

Hard to believe at the moment isn't it?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 04, 2017, 08:16:31 PM
Does anyone really care anyway?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: D15TIN on July 04, 2017, 09:46:01 PM
Giroud has said today that he wants to stay at Arsenal
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 04, 2017, 10:16:36 PM
Giroud has said today that he wants to stay at Arsenal

He's gonna come kicking and screaming like some tantrum-throwing toddler
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2017, 10:22:25 PM
Lacazette is having a medical at Arsenal now, when he signs it will push Giroud further down the pecking order
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Rhys on July 04, 2017, 10:25:08 PM
Lacazette is having a medical at Arsenal now, when he signs it will push Giroud further down the pecking order

A lot might depend on Sanchez future. If Sanchez goes Giroud might think he is just behind Lacazette and might be ok with making 15-20 starts and coming off the bench most games or if Lacazette gets injured then be the main man. However if Sanchez stays then given how often Sanchez played as the main striker last season it might push Giroud down to 3rd in line and at that point he might re-think whats best.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pjk on July 05, 2017, 12:12:51 AM
Lacazette has completed his medical. The rest is pretty straight forward. Giroud could be available. This makes us signing him much more likely. That's if the reports of us going in for him are true. It could be on.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40496970
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 05, 2017, 12:41:36 AM
We were after Lacazette too. Well, made an enquiry.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: ally2 on July 05, 2017, 12:51:46 AM
We were after Lacazette too. Well, made an enquiry.


Give over!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 05, 2017, 01:16:32 AM
Give over!

It's true. I read it on a news site.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 05, 2017, 02:07:47 AM
Get him in a room with Walshy and he'll sign.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lazarou on July 05, 2017, 02:15:14 AM
Get him in a room with Walshy and he'll sign.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3orif7xiJDYpBDT0nm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: t2487 on July 05, 2017, 04:11:34 AM
What's our Italian scout playing at!?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 05, 2017, 04:45:13 AM
To the tune of the Mary Poppins chimney sweep song -

Ol-ivier, Ol-ivier, Ol-ivier Giroud

He once was an Arse but now he's a Blue!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: irishtoffee on July 05, 2017, 04:47:48 AM
This fella can't be an official scout surely? If he's giving out press interviews discussing our transfer targets, he won't be on the books for long
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 05, 2017, 12:55:17 PM
If Rooney and Giroud both sign this week - as has been suggested, then Rom is off.

I wouldn't be happy with that. More than happy having Rooney OR Giroud but not both at the expense of Rom.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 05, 2017, 01:38:50 PM
If Rooney and Giroud both sign this week - as has been suggested, then Rom is off.

I wouldn't be happy with that. More than happy having Rooney OR Giroud but not both at the expense of Rom.

I would expect another striker coming in as well when Rom goes. A young-ish one. Sandro is apparent more suited to playing wide as part of a front three, Rooney is not an out and out striker which would mean Giroud was our only target man. We'd definitely buy another.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 05, 2017, 01:49:28 PM
I would expect another striker coming in as well when Rom goes. A young-ish one. Sandro is apparent more suited to playing wide as part of a front three, Rooney is not an out and out striker which would mean Giroud was our only target man. We'd definitely buy another.

Or he's surrounding the CF with high quality so DCL and possibly Lookman can step up their development up top?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 05, 2017, 02:03:28 PM
Or he's surrounding the CF with high quality so DCL and possibly Lookman can step up their development up top?

I'd still expect another 24/25 year old striker coming in
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 05, 2017, 03:14:19 PM
This fella can't be an official scout surely? If he's giving out press interviews discussing our transfer targets, he won't be on the books for long

Yeah I was thinking that. Seems a bit odd to be spouting names of targets and prices before the deal is even done

Think I've worked it out though - Carlo Jacomuzzi

It's all a publicity to promote Jacamos new line of hot tubs for unfashionable fat people
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on July 05, 2017, 03:19:50 PM
I would expect another striker coming in as well when Rom goes. A young-ish one. Sandro is apparent more suited to playing wide as part of a front three, Rooney is not an out and out striker which would mean Giroud was our only target man. We'd definitely buy another.

Rob Palmer (does La Liga on sky) said Sandro is a centre forward and will be wasted out wide so I'd expect him to play a big role up front.

Lukaku, Giroud and Sandro is a boss strikeforce like.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 05, 2017, 03:22:01 PM

It's all a publicity to promote Jacamos new line of hot tubs for unfashionable fat people

This isn't the Rooney thread ....!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 05, 2017, 03:27:14 PM
This isn't the Rooney thread ....!

Zing!!! Yes!!!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 05, 2017, 04:27:55 PM
Rob Palmer (does La Liga on sky) said Sandro is a centre forward and will be wasted out wide so I'd expect him to play a big role up front.

Lukaku, Giroud and Sandro is a boss strikeforce like.

Fair enough re. Sandro.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 05, 2017, 06:19:06 PM
Rob Palmer (does La Liga on sky) said Sandro is a centre forward and will be wasted out wide so I'd expect him to play a big role up front.

Lukaku, Giroud and Sandro is a boss strikeforce like.

No way Giroud would come to be back-up to Lukaku. He won't come here to sit on the bench, he'd be a guaranteed starter.

I'd have Giroud as our starting striker as long as we bought some genuine quality out wide to support him.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 07, 2017, 02:07:13 AM
Lots of chatter he's off to Marseille tonight. :(
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 07, 2017, 02:11:22 AM
Lots of chatter he's off to Marseille tonight. :(

It is nice this time of year. And not far from Nice either.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 07, 2017, 05:01:53 AM
http://readarsenal.com/2017/07/06/giroud-holds-talks-with-everton-boss-koeman/

Spoken. Apparently.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on July 07, 2017, 05:10:34 AM
http://readarsenal.com/2017/07/06/giroud-holds-talks-with-everton-boss-koeman/

Spoken. Apparently.

If our hopes rest on Arsenal keeping Sanchez we might be in trouble.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 07, 2017, 05:52:41 AM
If we ship off Rom without Giroud ready to slot in...and Ihenacho off the board, we are in a tight spot.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cozzie on July 07, 2017, 06:01:38 AM
If we ship off Rom without Giroud ready to slot in...and Ihenacho off the board, we are in a tight spot.

You do realise there are more than 2 strikers in the world don't you?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 07, 2017, 06:04:25 AM
If giroud wants to hang about til august to make a decision I say look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bally on July 07, 2017, 06:04:48 AM
If we ship off Rom without Giroud ready to slot in...and Ihenacho off the board, we are in a tight spot.
No we are not, stop being so fucking pessimistic.

We are currently doing the right things and moving in the right direction, it's exciting, it's all positive movement, get the fucking shit stick out of your arse
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 07, 2017, 06:06:21 AM
You do realise there are more than 2 strikers in the world don't you?

I'm running out of good names that could be expected to be (i) reasonable "bridge" starters; or (ii) readily available $25-30M young up-and-comers.  I also think it's important to have one lined up pretty close in time so we don't get rinsed.

We also have important matches to play in about 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 07, 2017, 06:08:10 AM
No we are not, stop being so fucking pessimistic.

We are currently doing the right things and moving in the right direction, it's exciting, it's all positive movement, get the fucking shit stick out of your arse

I loved what we did all summer up until the Rooney nonsense, but Giroud was a very important domino to slot in.  He makes all the sense in the world, in terms of bridging the gap until younger attacking options are ready to shoulder more of the load.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 07, 2017, 12:14:21 PM
Yeah I was thinking that. Seems a bit odd to be spouting names of targets and prices before the deal is even done

Think I've worked it out though - Carlo Jacomuzzi

It's all a publicity to promote Jacamos new line of hot tubs for unfashionable fat people
Sounds great!

(I am this demographic)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 07, 2017, 01:55:55 PM
No we are not, stop being so fucking pessimistic.

We are currently doing the right things and moving in the right direction, it's exciting, it's all positive movement, get the fucking shit stick out of your arse

Weaker than we went in.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 07, 2017, 03:09:27 PM
Still don't see him coming here, he will either stay at Arsenal or fuck off back to France I reckon...Wouldn't mind him here and think he would slot in well and score 20+ for us but I'm not sure if all this is paper talk, have we had any real solid evidence we are interested from anyone close to the club or ITK?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 07, 2017, 03:13:53 PM
Still don't see him coming here, he will either stay at Arsenal or fuck off back to France I reckon...Wouldn't mind him here and think he would slot in well and score 20+ for us but I'm not sure if all this is paper talk, have we had any real solid evidence we are interested from anyone close to the club or ITK?

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/825749/Arsenal-Transfer-News-Olivier-Giroud-Everton-boss-Ronald-Koeman-gossip-rumours?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-sport-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+Sport+Feed%29

Not keen on the bit that says he'll wait until early August before making a decision on his future
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 07, 2017, 03:15:44 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/825749/Arsenal-Transfer-News-Olivier-Giroud-Everton-boss-Ronald-Koeman-gossip-rumours?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-sport-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+Sport+Feed%29

Foot Mercato...Who ?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 07, 2017, 03:17:53 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/825749/Arsenal-Transfer-News-Olivier-Giroud-Everton-boss-Ronald-Koeman-gossip-rumours?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-sport-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+Sport+Feed%29

Not keen on the bit that says he'll wait until early August before making a decision on his future

Think a lot depends on what Sanchez decides to do
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on July 08, 2017, 08:45:17 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-olivier-giroud-arsenal-marseille-13302394

Looks like we're going to go all out for him here.

I do feel like he'd prefer to go back to France.

This is where Koeman and Moshiri use their power.

I would absolutely love him here.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 08, 2017, 08:52:15 PM
Think he would suit nice with the others..
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2017, 08:58:50 PM
Giroud would be perfect for us, and I know he would slot right in and do a job for the preliminary Europa round (which I do and think we must take seriously).  A bridge to an exciting future strike force.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Omar on July 08, 2017, 09:00:28 PM
I'm in for that, 12 Goals last season while not playing nearly as much as Rom.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Trowel on July 08, 2017, 09:40:41 PM
The age old London vs Marseille vs Bootle debate. 
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2017, 09:43:39 PM
he has too much pride/ambition to rot at Arsenal or go to West Ham.  It will be us or France, I'd wager.  Only sensible options.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: School of Science on July 08, 2017, 09:57:00 PM
As good as Giroud undoubtedly is, still feel we need more pace up top.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2017, 09:58:43 PM
As good as Giroud undoubtedly is, still feel we need more pace up top.

Yes, he needs a younger, pacy "1B" apprentice behind him.  Dunno if Koeman plans to use Sandro that way (in addition to playing off the striker in the main XI), or if we will target someone else later in the window,
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 08, 2017, 10:00:17 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3975073/romelu-lukaku-has-a-worse-goalscoring-record-against-top-six-sides-than-everton-bound-wayne-rooney/amp/

Two of our targets form regular scorers against the top 6.

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/af-table-aguero-goals-new.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 08, 2017, 10:03:45 PM
As good as Giroud undoubtedly is, still feel we need more pace up top.

We will 100% get a pacey wide forward.

We went for keita and it didn't work out, and it's a huge gap in the side.

Just a case of Walshy thumbing through his file of players of similar profiles and testing the water.

We'll get Demarai Gray, Berardi, or someone of a similar style, I'm very confident of that.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheTone on July 08, 2017, 10:11:44 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3975073/romelu-lukaku-has-a-worse-goalscoring-record-against-top-six-sides-than-everton-bound-wayne-rooney/amp/

Two of our targets form regular scorers against the top 6.

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/af-table-aguero-goals-new.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100)

state of Lukaku there
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 08, 2017, 10:23:26 PM
We could've got £75 million plus for Naismith!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: ajax_andy on July 08, 2017, 11:02:08 PM
I'd be delighted if we got Giroud and Dembele, I think that would give us so many options and also give us that 'now' striker and the apprentice to take over in 2 years time whilst being used in rotation short term
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 08, 2017, 11:20:21 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3975073/romelu-lukaku-has-a-worse-goalscoring-record-against-top-six-sides-than-everton-bound-wayne-rooney/amp/

Two of our targets form regular scorers against the top 6.

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/af-table-aguero-goals-new.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100)

So with Lukaku out and Rooney in - we've basically swapped like for like?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 08, 2017, 11:29:21 PM
So with Lukaku out and Rooney in - we've basically swapped like for like?
Rooney has th better ratio but I was thinking more along the lines of sigurdssen and giroud.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 08, 2017, 11:30:59 PM
So with Lukaku out and Rooney in - we've basically swapped like for like?

Well I mean, yeah, in one extremely obscure way.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 09, 2017, 01:46:03 AM
If we do get Giroud then there's no doubt that he's going to be rifling some top, top Scouse fanny. Fair play big Ol
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: plumber on July 09, 2017, 02:01:19 AM
We have a problem here.

http://soccer.nbcsports.com/2017/07/08/reports-everton-after-giroud-to-replace-lukaku/

Quote
However, Everton cannot offer European football, so that would be a drawback for Giroud, who has three years left on his Arsenal contract after recently signing an extension.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 09, 2017, 02:02:53 AM
We have a problem here.

http://soccer.nbcsports.com/2017/07/08/reports-everton-after-giroud-to-replace-lukaku/


Oh fuck. We're out of Europe already. Everexit.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 09, 2017, 03:35:07 AM
Marseille could be taking Carlos Bacca instead, leaving Giroud with a choice of us or the mutante club.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 09, 2017, 03:36:16 AM
Marseille could be taking Carlos Bacca instead, leaving Giroud with a choice of us or the mutante club.

Or stay where he is of course.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Risky on July 09, 2017, 03:42:57 AM
The idea of signing Giroud has really grown on me over the last week or so, but I can't shake his appalling celebration against Bournemouth last season from my head.  I honestly seethed when I saw him do it especially given they actually needed another goal at the time.

(http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/122/photos/958000/900x738/771958.jpg)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 09, 2017, 03:44:37 AM
£20m for someone who turns 31 in a few months, no thanks.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: velimski on July 09, 2017, 03:57:21 AM
If you got 2 or 3 decent seasons out of him I don't think £20m would be too bad.

He's a proven premier league goal scorer so would almost guarantee you at least 15 league goals a season.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: toffee_scot on July 09, 2017, 03:59:38 AM
Jonathan Walters putting Lukaku to shame against the top 6.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 09, 2017, 04:06:31 AM
£20m for someone who turns 31 in a few months, no thanks.

Scores more goals than McCarthy and we'd have £5M left over for another Sandro-type   ;)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2017, 07:38:23 AM
Age isn't such an issue with a link-up player who's a six yard box finisher.

If anything, 29-33 are peak years
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 10, 2017, 02:31:10 AM
Be G rude not to...let's be avin him...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Buck76 on July 10, 2017, 03:12:14 AM
I really like the idea of Giroud but the Arse are tryin it on with the £30m stance, it's as viable as £50m for Barkley and with the clock ticking and if Siggys in the bag! I'd go for £20m (ish) plus Giroud for Barkley??  :0)... if he's not gonna sign, anythings better than Levy's smug mug and doing a Pienaar to us and our player yet again.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 10, 2017, 05:20:20 AM
Is part of the Arsenal squad that has travelled to China/Far East for pre-season. Thus one won't be imminent by the looks of it
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 10, 2017, 05:23:44 AM
Is part of the Arsenal squad that has travelled to China/Far East for pre-season. Thus one won't be imminent by the looks of it

He's making us wait, the big French tease.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: dekko on July 10, 2017, 02:57:15 PM
30mil is just too much, not for me.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2017, 03:09:49 PM
Id be disappointed if this is Roms replacement
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 10, 2017, 03:16:24 PM
Id be disappointed if this is Roms replacement

Understand that feeling, i do.

But, realistically, there is nobody we could replace Rom with directly who would both excite us AND want to come to us.
For all we know we're doing an 'Atleti' and Sandro is Roms replacement?
That kind of banking-on-the-future might be what we need to do for a few years.

In that case, having a player who can slot a dozen or more league goals to lead the line is all the more important. Takes the pressure off and buys us another year to find the 'next' Lukaku if Sandro doesn't adapt.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueForYou on July 10, 2017, 03:22:31 PM
Ideal world:

£20m Giroud + £20m Dembele = £40m experience & youth

What is it about French strikers?!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2017, 03:38:38 PM
Understand that feeling, i do.

But, realistically, there is nobody we could replace Rom with directly who would both excite us AND want to come to us.
For all we know we're doing an 'Atleti' and Sandro is Roms replacement?
That kind of banking-on-the-future might be what we need to do for a few years.

In that case, having a player who can slot a dozen or more league goals to lead the line is all the more important. Takes the pressure off and buys us another year to find the 'next' Lukaku if Sandro doesn't adapt.

Id rather take a punt on someone that might or might not do it over Giroud who will do it, but only to a certain level and we know thats it in advance. Think there are options out there that id rather we take a punt on including Bacca, Dembele, Batshuayi
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 10, 2017, 03:40:52 PM
Id rather take a punt on someone that might or might not do it over Giroud who will do it, but only to a certain level and we know thats it in advance. Think there are options out there that id rather we take a punt on including Bacca, Dembele, Batshuayi

Myself, i wouldnt touch Dembele with a large shitty stick.
Netiher of the other 2 hold more appeal than Sandro to me, especially not for the money it would take. (Especially as it looks like we may no longer have a working relationship with Chelsea)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 10, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
Id rather take a punt on someone that might or might not do it over Giroud who will do it, but only to a certain level and we know thats it in advance. Think there are options out there that id rather we take a punt on including Bacca, Dembele, Batshuayi

So you'd rather take a punt on a 30yr old who has never played in the Prem and may not adapt at all to it, than a proven Prem goal scorer who is also 30? Hmmmmm ok then....
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2017, 04:07:09 PM
So you'd rather take a punt on a 30yr old who has never played in the Prem and may not adapt at all to it, than a proven Prem goal scorer who is also 30? Hmmmmm ok then....

Yes, hes not far off a 1 in 2 striker anywhere hes been, more mobile and a bit faster than Giroud. I just think there is enough to suggest he would be as good with the potential of being better, but it'd be a gamble.
He wouldnt be my first choice but neither would Giroud
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Buck76 on July 10, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
For me if we are spending £30m I'd go for Dolberg or Pulisic, I think Giroud would be great but at £20m max as with no resale value you have to devide the fee against the contract so we'll be paying out over £250k a week if it was a 3yr deal on £130k a week..
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Robioto on July 10, 2017, 04:17:20 PM
Id rather take a punt on someone that might or might not do it over Giroud who will do it, but only to a certain level and we know thats it in advance. Think there are options out there that id rather we take a punt on including Bacca, Dembele, Batshuayi

Fair enough, but I don't want us to be taking a 'punt' on our main striker, I want some one I know will score goals for us and score goals for us now. I'm happy for us to go out an sign a younger player, but it should be an as well, not an instead of. Giroud's record speaks for itself (especially his strike rate over the past few seasons), if he's available it should be a no brainer, he is a player who can come in and have an immeadiate impact, exactly what we need when we are trying to replace a a 20+ goal a season striker.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Rhys on July 10, 2017, 04:47:15 PM
For me if we are spending £30m I'd go for Dolberg or Pulisic, I think Giroud would be great but at £20m max as with no resale value you have to devide the fee against the contract so we'll be paying out over £250k a week if it was a 3yr deal on £130k a week..

Pulisic is a winger not a striker. As good as he is and will be he'd cost a lot more than 30m and if they choose to sell him or he chose to leave, which he said recently he doesnt want to move anywhere yet, he'll have a load of clubs lining him to take him.

I've always said re-sale value should be considered but it's less of an issue now we have more money available. Plus we've signed Sandro and Onyekuru who have talent and potential high re-sale value. We should be looking for someone who can be as big a guarantee as possible to replace as many as rom's goals as we can. Giroud has proven it in the league over a while, plus he would bring something we've lacked for years now as a good focal point for attacks. It may be 20m with no re-sale value but for you'd get from him for 3 years and the other young forwards we've bought i think this is one of the times it isnt a pressing concern.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 10, 2017, 06:03:30 PM
Fair enough, but I don't want us to be taking a 'punt' on our main striker, I want some one I know will score goals for us and score goals for us now. I'm happy for us to go out an sign a younger player, but it should be an as well, not an instead of. Giroud's record speaks for itself (especially his strike rate over the past few seasons), if he's available it should be a no brainer, he is a player who can come in and have an immeadiate impact, exactly what we need when we are trying to replace a a 20+ goal a season striker.

Yes.  Our net spend means we can and should sign Giroud with total disregard to re-sale value, and still bring in an understudy who is more of a "punt."
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Robioto on July 10, 2017, 06:12:12 PM
Yes.  Our net spend means we can and should sign Giroud with total disregard to re-sale value, and still bring in an understudy who is more of a "punt."

I think people get too obsessed with resale value, of course it important and I believe you should have this in mind when buying a player in most situations. But you aren't buying a player like Giroud for resale value, you are buying him for his goals which in theory will be far more valuable than any potential resale value. The return on your investment is instant impact on the team's performances, at £20m to buy a first choice French international who is proven in the Premier League, is in my opinion, completely worth it.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 10, 2017, 06:13:28 PM
I think people get to obsessed with resale value, of course it important and I believe you should have this in mind when buying a player in most situations. But you aren't buying a player like Giroud for resale value, you are buying him for his goals which in theory will be far more valuable than any potential resale value. The return on your investment is instant impact on the team's performances, at £20m to buy a first choice French international who is proven in the Premier League, is in my opinion, completely worth it.

Yep.  Near-guaranteed goals.  20m is a fantastic price for that.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Rhys on July 12, 2017, 05:08:49 PM
Giroud interview on SSN and he was being asked about his future, it wasnt exactly a statement of I'm desperate to stay at Arsenal. He basically said he is preparing for the season as normal but doesnt know if his future is at Arsenal. He doesnt mind competition with Lacazette coming in but he has had difficult times not starting the last year so he needs to see where his future lies.

It came across to me like he would like to stay at Arsenal but if he gets the feeling he wont be a regular starter then he will consider leaving.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on July 12, 2017, 05:10:50 PM
Going to watch Arsenal against Sydney on Saturday, I'll ask him if he's coming.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 12, 2017, 05:24:20 PM
We need proven at the moment. If we go backwards this season - all this investment, stadium and player impetus is going to stutter and falter. Probably not completely but we need to ride this momentum of being the team who are ambitious and driving forward and breaking the mould.

That is exactly why we can't take a punt on a goalscorer this season.

Yes we should still buy a young, potentially great forward, but only to develop alongside the guaranteed goals that certain, older players would bring.

We should not put the potential development of one or two youth players as priority over this club getting back to the big time.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 05:35:37 PM
We need proven at the moment. If we go backwards this season - all this investment, stadium and player impetus is going to stutter and falter. Probably not completely but we need to ride this momentum of being the team who are ambitious and driving forward and breaking the mould.

That is exactly why we can't take a punt on a goalscorer this season.

Yes we should still buy a young, potentially great forward, but only to develop alongside the guaranteed goals that certain, older players would bring.

We should not put the potential development of one or two youth players as priority over this club getting back to the big time.

Games 2-5 are probably going to blunt all of our momentum anyway
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 12, 2017, 05:45:35 PM
Games 2-5 are probably going to blunt all of our momentum anyway

Might as well give up then.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 05:47:28 PM
Might as well give up then.

That's my thinking
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 05:50:19 PM
Games 2-5 are probably going to blunt all of our momentum anyway

Don't be fucking defeatist. We are going to shock people in those games
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 05:51:28 PM
You say "defeatest". I say "not a lunatic"
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 05:54:40 PM
You say "defeatest". I say "not a lunatic"

No, a lunatic would bet good money that we would win each game 10-0. As a player I have never walked on a pitch expecting to lose. You go on knowing that if you play to the best of your abilities there is a chance of winning. As fans we now need to embrace the same attitude as it will radiate from the stands
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 05:57:47 PM
No, a lunatic would bet good money that we would win each game 10-0. As a player I have never walked on a pitch expecting to lose. You go on knowing that if you play to the best of your abilities there is a chance of winning. As fans we now need to embrace the same attitude as it will radiate from the stands

That must be why all them non-league clubs win the FA cup then.

Of course we CAN beat any one of them.
But thinking we will pick up more than 2-4 points from the games is simply unrealistic.

It is very important to manage expectations. Going round thinking we're going to get off to a flying start and pick up 7-10 points from our first 5 games will create a massive dip in confidence/momentum.

Each game is targeted for expected points. I am confident that Koeman will have identified where he expects to pick up points. He will have places where losing wont be an issue.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 06:09:30 PM
That must be why all them non-league clubs win the FA cup then.

Of course we CAN beat any one of them.
But thinking we will pick up more than 2-4 points from the games is simply unrealistic.

It is very important to manage expectations. Going round thinking we're going to get off to a flying start and pick up 7-10 points from our first 5 games will create a massive dip in confidence/momentum.

Each game is targeted for expected points. I am confident that Koeman will have identified where he expects to pick up points. He will have places where losing wont be an issue.

First of all, don't be facetious with your first line.

Secondly, regarding managing expectations. No one is putting any expectations on the players. I'm not expecting us to win all of those games, but I sure as hell hope the players don't have that attitude that defeatist attitude. If they have then they shouldn't be playing the game.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 06:31:02 PM
1) I'll be as facetious as i want to be. I'm not one of your kids

2) Not one of our players are expecting anything as they will be drilled to take it one game at a time. The fans, however, are under no restrictions and will be moaning their tits off if we don't pull right out of it against Bournemouth. That atmosphere and that expectation is what needs to be addressed.

Finishing 7th next year would not be a disaster and the people starting to think otherwise will feed into an atmosphere that could well turn toxic if it looks like we are going to finish 7th.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on July 12, 2017, 06:33:47 PM
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Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluedylan on July 12, 2017, 06:37:32 PM
Maybe I'm not a good person, but I always enjoy an argument between two likeable, intelligent heavy-hitters on the forum.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on July 12, 2017, 06:52:56 PM
1) I'll be as facetious as i want to be. I'm not one of your kids

2) Not one of our players are expecting anything as they will be drilled to take it one game at a time. The fans, however, are under no restrictions and will be moaning their tits off if we don't pull right out of it against Bournemouth. That atmosphere and that expectation is what needs to be addressed.

Finishing 7th next year would not be a disaster and the people starting to think otherwise will feed into an atmosphere that could well turn toxic if it looks like we are going to finish 7th.

I liked this post for the last paragraph not for the dig at brownie. Just putting that out there.

Now back to it you two.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 06:54:18 PM
1) I'll be as facetious as i want to be. I'm not one of your kids

2) Not one of our players are expecting anything as they will be drilled to take it one game at a time. The fans, however, are under no restrictions and will be moaning their tits off if we don't pull right out of it against Bournemouth. That atmosphere and that expectation is what needs to be addressed.

Finishing 7th next year would not be a disaster and the people starting to think otherwise will feed into an atmosphere that could well turn toxic if it looks like we are going to finish 7th.

Did I treat you like a pupil? No, I merely pointed out that the comment you used to justify your point was slightly ridiculous, when you know full well I'm talking about teams at the elite end of the sport and not semi-pros/amateurs.

Secondly, and I speak from my own experiences, of course players will be expecting things. If RK is not instilling into them a belief that they can be the best and a winning attitude then he's not doing his job. One game at a time, yes, and that attitude is we go out to win. That is what then breeds momentum and success. I agree that fans need to be realistic, but that's what makes us fans, the hope and expectation. If I was thinking we've got no chance in those games I'd not bother supporting a team.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 06:59:14 PM
I liked this post for the last paragraph not for the dig at brownie. Just putting that out there.

Now back to it you two.

Apologies if it has come out as a dig.

I just don't apreciate being spoken down

Did I treat you like a pupil? No, I merely pointed out that the comment you used to justify your point was slightly ridiculous, when you know full well I'm talking about teams at the elite end of the sport and not semi-pros/amateurs.

Secondly, and I speak from my own experiences, of course players will be expecting things. If RK is not instilling into them a belief that they can be the best and a winning attitude then he's not doing his job. One game at a time, yes, and that attitude is we go out to win. That is what then breeds momentum and success. I agree that fans need to be realistic, but that's what makes us fans, the hope and expectation. If I was thinking we've got no chance in those games I'd not bother supporting a team.

No, you explicitly told me not to be facetious. As if you somehow have a position of authority over me.

I can't comment on your last point. If you wouldn't support us if we couldnt win than that's your bag.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 12, 2017, 07:11:53 PM
The big clubs tend to have a lot of turnover and can take time to settle, so I'd just as soon get them early.  Of course, we also have massive turnover.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: School of Science on July 12, 2017, 07:19:34 PM
Hope we as fans are realistic this season, Koeman has bought a lot of good players, we will find out how good early on. But these players and the newish team, will need time to gel. We have a very difficult start, for me I expect a defeat, a draw maybe but I also expect us to now go out and try and win these type of games. We know results are all important, but so is mindset and Performances.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 07:20:11 PM
Apologies if it has come out as a dig.

I just don't apreciate being spoken down

No, you explicitly told me not to be facetious. As if you somehow have a position of authority over me.

I can't comment on your last point. If you wouldn't support us if we couldnt win than that's your bag.

Really, you think that's talking down to you? it's really not. If I'd made a facetious comment I'd expect someone to pick me up on it and I wouldn't get offended (maybe I'm not as precious as you*). If you've got a problem with people in authority then there's not a lot I can do about that. I don't make a habit of talking down to my pupils though, but thanks for the assumption*.

On the second point, I didn't say that if we couldn't win, I said if I went in with a defeatist attitude, which is a completely different thing.

*those are examples of speaking down to someone.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 07:20:47 PM
Hope we as fans are realistic this season, Koeman has bought a lot of good players, we will find out how good early on. But these players and the newish team, will need time to gel. We have a very difficult start, for me I expect a defeat, a draw maybe but I also expect us to now go out and try and win these type of games. We know results are all important, but so is mindset and Performances.

Which is the right attitude
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 07:29:52 PM
Really, you think that's talking down to you? it's really not. If I'd made a facetious comment I'd expect someone to pick me up on it and I wouldn't get offended (maybe I'm not as precious as you*). If you've got a problem with people in authority then there's not a lot I can do about that. I don't make a habit of talking down to my pupils though, but thanks for the assumption*.

On the second point, I didn't say that if we couldn't win, I said if I went in with a defeatist attitude, which is a completely different thing.

*those are examples of speaking down to someone.

No, both of them examples are condescension. (That's when you patronise somebody*)
I have a problem with people assuming authority with no cause to warrant it.

It may be that your phrase 'to shock' is what has caused the difference of opinion then. Cause i think most realistic people would be hoping for 2-4 points. Any more than that would be a shock. Which is what it seemed to me like you were suggesting. Fair enough if that isn't what you meant and you too think its daft to think we'll be winning the first 5

*that is an example of condescension.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on July 12, 2017, 07:31:05 PM
Bloody teachers






(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/41/3f/05/413f05fe0de8769cbab8bdb8a183b833--british-army-wwi.jpg)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 07:35:49 PM
No, both of them examples are condescension. (That's when you patronise somebody*)
I have a problem with people assuming authority with no cause to warrant it.

It may be that your phrase 'to shock' is what has caused the difference of opinion then. Cause i think most realistic people would be hoping for 2-4 points. Any more than that would be a shock. Which is what it seemed to me like you were suggesting. Fair enough if that isn't what you meant and you too think its daft to think we'll be winning the first 5

*that is an example of condescension.

Condescension - having an attitude of patronising superiority (in other words talking down to someone).

And just for the record at no time do I ever feel that I have authority over someone. That is obviously your issue.

and I still stand by my belief that we will get more than 2-4 points.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 07:36:43 PM
Bloody teachers

I know, bunch of jumped up cunts who were obviously bullied in school so think they can exert their pathetic idea of authority over others. Hate them






(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/41/3f/05/413f05fe0de8769cbab8bdb8a183b833--british-army-wwi.jpg)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 07:39:22 PM
Condescension - having an attitude of patronising superiority (in other words talking down to someone).

And just for the record at no time do I ever feel that I have authority over someone. That is obviously your issue.

and I still stand by my belief that we will get more than 2-4 points.


Now can we be friends?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 07:41:20 PM
Condescension - having an attitude of patronising superiority (in other words talking down to someone).

And just for the record at no time do I ever feel that I have authority over someone. That is obviously your issue.

and I still stand by my believe that we will get more than 2-4 points.

Disagree on all 3 points in relation to what has been said in here.


Now can we be friends?

Yes


So, Giroud.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluedylan on July 12, 2017, 07:42:35 PM

Now can we be friends?

I overheard @Mick 1995 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) saying your missus wasn't really 33...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on July 12, 2017, 07:42:44 PM
I know, bunch of jumped up cunts who were obviously bullied in school so think they can exert their pathetic idea of authority over others. Hate them

Mate, that's cops.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 07:43:31 PM
Disagree on all 3 points in relation to what has been said in here.

Yes


So, Giroud.

So, I often display my 'authority' over others on here do I?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 07:43:57 PM
I overheard @Mick 1995 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) saying your missus wasn't really 33...

He's right, she's 34 next month
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 07:44:59 PM
Mate, that's cops.

I must get it from my old man then
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on July 12, 2017, 07:46:39 PM
I must get it from my old man then

You had no hope, don't blame yourself ;)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 07:48:52 PM
So, I often display my 'authority' over others on here do I?

ah, i very specifically qualified that with 'in here' but maybe wasn't clear enough to say 'in this thread'.

I definitely do not think you do anything of the kind and have not come across you doing it ever.
It was just the turn of phrase you used telling me not to be facetious.

I'd typed my reply and referenced your kids for no other reason that to point out you seemed to be talking/typing as if to someone you had some sort of control over.

Again, to reaffirm - i do like you and this thread derailment may be reflective of the problems with written commincation as opposed to in-person communication on both of our behalves.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on July 12, 2017, 07:51:49 PM
ah, i very specifically qualified that with 'in here' but maybe wasn't clear enough to say 'in this thread'.

I definitely do not think you do anything of the kind and have not come across you doing it ever.
It was just the turn of phrase you used telling me not to be facetious.

I'd typed my reply and referenced your kids for no other reason that to point out you seemed to be talking/typing as if to someone you had some sort of control over.

Again, to reaffirm - i do like you and this thread derailment may be reflective of the problems with written commincation as opposed to in-person communication on both of our behalves.

That's ok, because I would hate to come across like that and wouldn't want to fall out over something trivial. For what it's worth, I know that tone doesn't come across well on here, but I 'speak' on here like I do with my mates and it wasn't meant to be offensive.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Trowel on July 12, 2017, 07:53:01 PM
I like to imagine Giroud registering for the forum to read what Everton fans think of him and coming across this car crash.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 07:59:18 PM
He's French - he'd be all over the condescension part of it
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Glory on July 12, 2017, 08:00:53 PM
What the fu...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ridge on July 12, 2017, 08:12:25 PM
Teaching is a career path towards a higher horse.  :whistle:

if I couldn't be facetious, I'd never get anything done.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 12, 2017, 08:34:59 PM
We still love you, Olivier.  Just starved for any news that you like us back.

/obligatory smh
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Confucius on July 12, 2017, 09:30:54 PM
Is Condescension when pour a glass of really cold water and droplets form on the outside of the glass?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: hannu on July 12, 2017, 09:31:36 PM
Is Condescension when pour a glass of really cold water and droplets form on the outside of the glass?

yes
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 09:37:27 PM
Is Condescension when pour a glass of really cold water and droplets form on the outside of the glass?

No, it's when you go down a flight of stairs
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on July 12, 2017, 09:37:42 PM
launched the new Arsenal kit today here in Sydney, in the worst fucking ceremony you've ever seen.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 12, 2017, 11:31:11 PM
launched the new Arsenal kit today here in Sydney, in the worst fucking ceremony you've ever seen.

Did you see Olivier?  Pass him our note?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Gary1878 on July 13, 2017, 01:00:25 AM
Condescension is a feature on my tumble dryer. It's pretty swish
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mr. Devil on July 13, 2017, 01:17:08 AM
For a non native speaker this was gold. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 13, 2017, 04:36:41 AM
No, it's when you go down a flight of stairs

This was genius!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pjk on July 13, 2017, 04:40:03 AM
Is Condescension when pour a glass of really cold water and droplets form on the outside of the glass?




Only when you try to disparage with condensation. Water and heat, glass and ...... etc.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on July 13, 2017, 06:47:36 PM
Reported Everton target Olivier Giroud has admitted he could be set to quit Arsenal.

The French striker’s future at the Emirates has been put under the spotlight following the club-record arrival of £53million Alexandre Lacazette and Giroud is quoted as saying: ‘It (leaving) is an option to be honest with you.”

Speaking on the club’s pre-season tour in Sydney, Giroud, who has interest from Everton, AC Milan and Marseille, referred to his Arsenal career in the past tense, adding: “It is true that I really enjoyed my five years with Arsenal.

“I’m still an Arsenal player for the moment so I try to be professional. No matter what happens, I did my job on the pitch.”
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 14, 2017, 04:47:52 PM
Sky saying West Ham have now ended their interest in Giroud.

They were "not their first choice destination".

Us and Marseille in the mix.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GoodisonPk on July 14, 2017, 04:50:16 PM
Really want this guy
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on July 14, 2017, 04:55:23 PM
https://twitter.com/skykaveh/status/885797323640647680
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pjk on July 14, 2017, 04:59:09 PM
If we get him, will it be a two year deal? I mean, how much are we prepared to pay. Rooney and Giroud at Everton, tells me they're here to get us into the Champions League. Let's hope it works if this happens. :)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GLewis on July 14, 2017, 05:00:51 PM
https://twitter.com/skykaveh/status/885797323640647680

Or his last choice either :)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 14, 2017, 05:01:51 PM
I think Marseille will really want him too, with the lack of their own Strikers. They finished 5th in a poor league last season and are not exactly big spenders, so I would guess if we REALLY want him, we will get him, but this one will probably be down to a personal choice.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Alanvideo on July 14, 2017, 05:02:40 PM
If we get him, will it be a two year deal? I mean, how much are we prepared to pay. Rooney and Giroud at Everton, tells me they're here to get us into the Champions League. Let's hope it works if this happens. :)
.....................really like to get him but if he's turned down WHU it puts paid to the theory he wanted to stay in London. I reckon he's off to France. Hope I'm wrong though.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Gash on July 14, 2017, 05:14:25 PM
Slow transfer day when that none story makes the yellow bar on SSN.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheTone on July 14, 2017, 07:04:10 PM
think we'll be offering more wedge (fee and wages) and wedge usually wins out in the end
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on July 14, 2017, 09:35:22 PM
Still think he'll end up in France.

Somewhere like Lyon or Nice who like the young players but aren't afraid to get a big name in.

He would be great here though.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 09:48:34 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if West Ham offered the most wages, they can't give it away
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 14, 2017, 10:42:41 PM
I have a feeling that he will go to France. Wouldn't be a bad play to play out your remaining years!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 15, 2017, 02:52:18 AM
South of France for a hipster pretty boy or Cheshire?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 15, 2017, 03:19:38 AM
South of France for a hipster pretty boy or Cheshire?

I know which one I would choose
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Tony Clifton on July 15, 2017, 03:25:53 AM
I have a feeling that he will go to France. Wouldn't be a bad play to play out your remaining years!

He's still got a few years in him, will very likely still have a chance to go "home" and wind it down in a couple years.  I'm confident we can convince him given the chance.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2017, 03:57:59 AM
France is a great price to retire to, but it's shit for working in.

Stay with us for a couple of years, get us established at the top, and then move on and then we replace him with the next best thing.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2017, 06:50:52 AM
I think he'll be with us before the end of next week.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 15, 2017, 03:19:32 PM
Rumours he's off to Dortmund to replace Aubeyamang.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 15, 2017, 03:56:27 PM
Rumours he's off to Dortmund to replace Aubeyamang.
Not Dortmunds model. They buy young and sell on. Giroud albeit how sexy he is wouldn't fit that mould.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on July 15, 2017, 04:03:36 PM
Haven't they already got a very young exciting team though? Maybe looking to a bit of experience.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 15, 2017, 04:14:23 PM
France is a great price to retire to, but it's shit for working in.


Probably true for regular jobs (I bow to your superior knowledge on this one), but I guess it's still pretty fucking cool to work there as a top flight footballer!    :)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Trowel on July 15, 2017, 05:07:21 PM
Giroud has started their friendly, alongside Lacazette, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cods on July 15, 2017, 05:07:43 PM
He's just been flagged offside against western Sydney wanderers.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cods on July 15, 2017, 05:09:01 PM
Giroud central and lacazette a bit wider, as he has in the past.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cods on July 15, 2017, 05:12:27 PM
Attempted volley

Feel he will score tonight. 
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cods on July 15, 2017, 05:26:46 PM
Giroud free header straight at keeper.
Possibly offside
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cods on July 15, 2017, 05:33:36 PM
Scores
Clever

Cut back cross to Giroud, and a stab shot from behind his movement into top corner from close range.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GoodisonPk on July 15, 2017, 07:45:22 PM
Ok so just game back from the Arsenal v wanderers game. Giroud is something else. So much quality strong on the ground and in the air scores and does a lot of work off the ball which I never thought he did. Need this guy up top for us.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Alanvideo on July 15, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
Paddy Power have Giroud at 10/11 to join us ; Sigurdssen 1/7.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: irishtoffee on July 15, 2017, 09:29:34 PM
Ok so just game back from the Arsenal v wanderers game. Giroud is something else. So much quality strong on the ground and in the air scores and does a lot of work off the ball which I never thought he did. Need this guy up top for us.
That's some effort on your behalf, to go scouting potential targets. Are you Carlo jacomuzzi in disguise
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ari on July 15, 2017, 09:40:24 PM
Paddy Power have Giroud at 10/11 to join us ; Sigurdssen 1/7.

Are they kind of like God or something?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 15, 2017, 09:42:29 PM
Paddy Power have Giroud at 10/11 to join us ; Sigurdssen 1/7.

Explain please? Does that mean likely or not likely?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Alanvideo on July 15, 2017, 09:50:36 PM
Explain please? Does that mean likely or not likely?
................odds on. Giroud is 10/11 so it's slightly odds on.
I put a bet on the other day when Sig was 1/5 ,so now the bookies think it's more likely so it's 1/7
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: mikey_blue on July 15, 2017, 09:52:42 PM
Explain please? Does that mean likely or not likely?

Sigurdsson, very likely.

Giroud, favourable.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 15, 2017, 09:54:05 PM
Thanks guys
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2017, 10:10:38 PM
Explain please? Does that mean likely or not likely?

In actual reality, it means very little. It's a very shallow, changeable market. Also, as someone who used to work for a bookies, betting on future transfers is generally a mug's game and a license to print money for the bookie.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 15, 2017, 10:20:10 PM
In actual reality, it means very little. It's a very shallow, changeable market. Also, as someone who used to work for a bookies, betting on future transfers is generally a mug's game and a license to print money for the bookie.

I imagine there's a few who get carried away with who theor club could sign and convince themselves that he's coming, even if there's only the smallest amount of circumstantial evidence.

We all certainly do that on here!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2017, 10:48:50 PM
Gambling's a mugs game.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 15, 2017, 10:53:51 PM
Odds dont mean a lot when it comes to transfers, Mata was 1/20 to join us last summer
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2017, 10:58:20 PM
Gambling's a mugs game.

Not for professional gamblers. For them, it's a good living.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 15, 2017, 11:26:14 PM
I imagine there's a few who get carried away with who theor club could sign and convince themselves that he's coming, even if there's only the smallest amount of circumstantial evidence.

We all certainly do that on here!

And when even a solitary person does that the odds change to reflect that.

Odds show what people are betting on, not what the bookies personally think will happen. (Except when something first comes to market, then it's what the bookies think)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Major Clanger on July 15, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
And when even a solitary person does that the odds change to reflect that.

Odds show what people are betting on, not what the bookies personally think will happen. (Except when something first comes to market, then it's what the bookies think)

If I were running a betting shop, I'd look at both, otherwise it'd be too easy to swing the odds towards an unlikely outcome with a flurry of small bets, then in the last minute put a massive one on the likelier one.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on July 16, 2017, 12:14:56 AM
I imagine there's a few who get carried away with who theor club could sign and convince themselves that he's coming, even if there's only the smallest amount of circumstantial evidence.

We all certainly do that on here!

This is what's so awful about those twitter accounts with a few thousand followers who pretend to be ITK. 
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pjk on July 19, 2017, 06:18:43 PM
Is this Girouds incoming looking more likely?



http://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/olivier-giroud-left-out-arsenal-13353747
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 19, 2017, 07:13:23 PM
Is this Girouds incoming looking more likely?



http://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/olivier-giroud-left-out-arsenal-13353747

Lets hope so, as I cant really see us getting anyone much better than him this window with his attributes.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: mikey_blue on July 19, 2017, 07:30:31 PM
Lets hope so, as I cant really see us getting anyone much better than him this window with his attributes.

This.

Really can't see anyone who suits what Koeman wants more than this guy, almost always bags 15-20 a season too.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: velimski on July 19, 2017, 07:33:03 PM
He'd be back in London getting treatment on a groin injury if any move was on the cards.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
BBC Sport putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 5

Everton’s hopes of signing Arsenal striker Olivier Giroud have been boosted by Borussia Dortmund’s claim that Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang will not be sold this summer, according to the Daily Telegraph.

The report adds that Giroud had hoped to replace Aubameyang at Dortmund after being pushed down the Arsenal pecking order by Alexandre Lacazette. But Dortmund’s declaration that Aubameyang, who was on the list of strikers Chelsea are considering to replace Diego Costa, will not be sold casts doubt over the prospect of the German club making a bid for Giroud.

Arsenal will demand around £20 million for Giroud and Everton believe they are second on the list of the Frenchman’s preferred destinations.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on July 19, 2017, 08:16:50 PM
I mean, he's clearly thinking about it.

(http://i4.football.london/incoming/article13350249.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/GettyImages-817032626.jpg)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pjk on July 19, 2017, 08:18:59 PM
Yeah! he's wheelie bin thinking about it.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 19, 2017, 08:26:46 PM
He's falling for us, and we're gonna win the League, lads.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 19, 2017, 08:30:56 PM
Yeah! he's wheelie bin thinking about it.

Seriously spat my drink all over the place! Thanks for cheering me up!!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Tony Clifton on July 19, 2017, 08:45:35 PM
I mean, he's clearly thinking about it.

The old Arsene bin.  This is on.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 19, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
I mean, he's clearly thinking about it.

(http://i4.football.london/incoming/article13350249.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/GettyImages-817032626.jpg)

Is this a Sesame Street re-boot?

(http://www.lisarivero.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/oscar-the-grouch.jpg)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ridge on July 19, 2017, 09:42:37 PM
Not down with this new fad of footballers posting pictures of themselves looking wistful.

It comes across more as a cry for help
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 19, 2017, 09:47:02 PM
Not down with this new fad of footballers posting pictures of themselves looking wistful.

It comes across more as a cry for help

Not sure he's looking wistful, it looks like he's thinking 'Fucking hell lad, how did I end up in the bin?  I remember the first couple of pints, then Ox suggesting........Sambuca? Ah ha!'
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: sam of the south on July 19, 2017, 10:06:52 PM
I mean, he's clearly thinking about it.

(http://i4.football.london/incoming/article13350249.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/GettyImages-817032626.jpg)

What a fucking specimen that is ☺️🍆💦
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2017, 10:15:38 PM
Yeah! he's wheelie bin thinking about it.

Good God!!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toffee1 on July 19, 2017, 11:12:49 PM
Giroud pondering if there was a bin involved in the hydrate, de-hydrate sketch from Jarhead and if it would be wise to re-enact in the confines of a bin.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 19, 2017, 11:49:30 PM
Bin up for a medical yet?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on July 20, 2017, 02:40:58 AM
Giroud showing he's not really down with the lids...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Trowel on July 20, 2017, 02:43:30 AM
Left out because he had food poisoning by the way.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2017, 02:45:50 AM
I've seen that look before during many a summer.

He's pretending to be deep in contemplation while have a sly piss in the water.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pjk on July 20, 2017, 07:42:53 AM
Yeah! he's wheelie bin thinking about it.




Hahaha. Glad you're all happy. you pile of Twa*ts.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ell Capitan on July 21, 2017, 06:37:44 PM
Yeah! he's wheelie bin thinking about it.

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cozzie on July 22, 2017, 01:22:01 AM
http://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/arsenal-star-olivier-girouds-future-13368195
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 22, 2017, 01:28:47 AM
Come on Walshy lad reel him in.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GLewis on July 22, 2017, 02:18:14 AM
http://www.ledauphine.com/sport/2017/07/19/giroud-s-eloigne-de-l-om-thomas-muller-convoite

Appears he was talking to supporters before a friendly game.

Seemingly a bit blunt, but a bit random to make up so presume he must have said it.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 22, 2017, 02:23:50 AM
Its all foreign to me
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 22, 2017, 02:24:51 AM
http://www.ledauphine.com/sport/2017/07/19/giroud-s-eloigne-de-l-om-thomas-muller-convoite

Appears he was talking to supporters before a friendly game.

Seemingly a bit blunt, but a bit random to make up so presume he must have said it.

Clearly caught wind of the wedge we're waving under giroud's finely sculpted nostrils.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on July 22, 2017, 02:34:15 AM
Still working on my Dutch what's it say?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cozzie on July 22, 2017, 02:40:28 AM
Still working on my Dutch what's it say?

OM coach Rudi Garcia does not believe in the arrival of Olivier Giroud on the Canebière, Juve recalls a player on the medical visit, the captain of Nantes file in Turkey, Nolan Roux signs in Metz. This Wednesday, July 19th.

Garcia on Giroud: "Dream not, it will not come"
Rudi Garcia bluffed Tuesday night before the start of the friendly match played by OM against Sporting? A supporter who asked him if Olivier Giroud were going to come on the Canebière, Marseille coach did not play the tongue of wood: "Dream not guys, he will not come," retorted Garcia. French striker Arsenal should not make old bones in London after the arrival of Alexander Lacazette.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 22, 2017, 02:48:35 AM
Ah dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones...
Title: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on July 29, 2017, 04:35:07 AM
Marseille back in for Giroud according to L'Equipe
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 29, 2017, 09:52:14 PM
Starts for Arsenal today.  Might as well file this one away now.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 29, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Starts for Arsenal today.  Might as well file this one away now.
Deadline day move?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on July 29, 2017, 10:27:14 PM
Surely we'd not be so cavalier over such an important position to fill?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 29, 2017, 10:46:06 PM
If we don't get him we could always cheer ourselves up with some more midfielders.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: sam of the south on July 29, 2017, 10:57:20 PM
Yay, Rooney is our Lukaku replacement 😃

😳
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Tinga on July 29, 2017, 11:19:21 PM
If we don't get him we could always cheer ourselves up with some more midfielders.

It's another 10 goals..
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 29, 2017, 11:20:08 PM
Surely we'd not be so cavalier over such an important position to fill?

It's so glaring that the only reasonable explanation is we've decided to try out a new formation. A 4240 or something.

Whilst that makes me worried initially, almost every single dominant team in history has come off the back of a formational/tactical innovation.
So I'll console myself with that fantasy
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 29, 2017, 11:42:04 PM
 ;D
Yay, Rooney is our Lukaku replacement 😃

😳
I now have stellar all over laptop.....ta
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on July 29, 2017, 11:44:51 PM
I was going for the old anti-jinx with my first post, but he's just stuck out a Dion Dublin-esque telescopic leg to score Arsenal's 4th and celebrated by beating his chest just standing there*.  Wasnt the most emphatic of celebrations unless from another angle he was tapping the badge.

*It was someone elses arm that came across his chest.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Fynci on July 30, 2017, 12:46:25 AM
I was going for the old anti-jinx with my first post, but he's just stuck out a Dion Dublin-esque telescopic leg to score Arsenal's 4th and celebrated by beating his chest just standing there*.  Wasnt the most emphatic of celebrations unless from another angle he was tapping the badge.

*It was someone elses arm that came across his chest.

Nope he was definitely tapping the badge - https://twitter.com/gunnervideos/status/891338828514045952
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on July 30, 2017, 12:56:54 AM
Farewell goal like when Barkley stood up in front of the fans.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 30, 2017, 01:15:48 AM
He's a big strong boy, like to see him and Sandro with Young Davies on the maraud...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on July 30, 2017, 01:18:24 AM
Yeah, I'd love to have him, would make me far more assured for the season ahead if we filled the void of Lukaku with a solid PL striker such as Giroud. Seems to be very underappreciated by both Arsenal and French national team supporters. Think it'll be tricky to get him though unless Arsenal make some more signings, nevermind competition from other teams.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: velimski on July 30, 2017, 01:33:25 AM
He won't be first choice for Arsenal this season but they'd be bloody stupid to sell him.

Can't see it happening I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Polledreng on July 30, 2017, 01:36:23 AM
Farewell goal like when Barkley stood up in front of the fans.
or Arteta
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: sam of the south on July 30, 2017, 02:08:16 AM
He's a big strong boy, like to see him and Sandro with Young Davies on the maraud...

Filth
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 30, 2017, 02:17:18 AM
Filth
Q the victory soapy shower scene at Anfield...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on July 30, 2017, 02:21:32 AM
Saying goodbye
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Risky on July 30, 2017, 03:15:17 AM
I wouldn't read too much in to him playing for them still, it means nothing.  Mbappe is playing for Monaco tonight for example and he's apparently guaranteed to be moving.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: sam of the south on July 30, 2017, 03:36:50 AM
I wouldn't read too much in to him playing for them still, it means nothing.  Mbappe is playing for Monaco tonight for example and he's apparently guaranteed to be moving.

Very good point, Stones still played for us at Old Trafford for Rooney's testimonial
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 30, 2017, 03:37:44 AM
Apparently the bid has been on the table for 3 weeks. At least Sigurdsson has been progressing (albeit slowly) and given the stature the the selling club, there's been a certain inevitability about us getting him. With Giroud, it's a different matter. Arsenal could just sit on this and Giroud might me happy to play the bit of a squad player. Bit concerning if we've put all our eggs in this basket.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Buck76 on July 30, 2017, 03:50:47 AM
Just can't see the Arse letting him go, would be madness! Wengers picking him to appease him now but he still looks better in blue.... fingers crossed but we need a decent alternative or all our great early business will mean nothing.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 30, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
I've really got my heart set on this guy. But head says that it won't happen.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on July 30, 2017, 11:57:33 PM
Lacazette just limped off in their last game of the Emirates Cup. Hopefully not a big deal.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: School of Science on July 31, 2017, 02:24:26 AM
Lacazette just limped off in their last game of the Emirates Cup. Hopefully not a big deal.

Everton that
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: LucoEfc on July 31, 2017, 04:32:40 AM
Rumours that he's keen on a move to everton *taps nose*

All down to Sanchez and who they can get in.

I'd guess he wants to be at a club where he is first choice. World cup season
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 02, 2017, 08:00:47 PM
Now PSG have found a way around FFP to get Neymar (they're going to pay him £300m outside of football, so as to put it under infrastructure/back room costs. He is then going to use £220m to buy out his own contract, pocket £80m and then sign a new contract with PSG that will fit within their FFP obligations) it would seem they have ended their interest in Sanchez.

Which is good news for us if we really are after Giroud.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on August 02, 2017, 08:52:13 PM
PSG really are the biggest fake, plastic club in the world. Horrible club. Neymar is already at the best club in the world, what could he possibly achieve in France that isn't already better in Spain?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: School of Science on August 02, 2017, 09:00:01 PM
PSG really are the biggest fake, plastic club in the world. Horrible club. Neymar is already at the best club in the world, what could he possibly achieve in France that isn't already better in Spain?

Yes fancy only offering £198m, you'd have thought they'd have thrown the extra £2m on the fee to round it up, cheapskates.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lincs Toffee on August 02, 2017, 09:01:48 PM
Now PSG have found a way around FFP to get Neymar (they're going to pay him £300m outside of football, so as to put it under infrastructure/back room costs. He is then going to use £220m to buy out his own contract, pocket £80m and then sign a new contract with PSG that will fit within their FFP obligations) it would seem they have ended their interest in Sanchez.

Which is good news for us if we really are after Giroud.

Even better news as it surely means Cuntinho will leave the shite for Barca
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on August 02, 2017, 09:04:51 PM
Maybe Del will get a game ;)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lincs Toffee on August 02, 2017, 09:08:59 PM
Maybe Del will get a game ;)
I still wish he was here, I know he was crap defensively, but still think he will turn out to be a decent player given the right coaching and we are seriously missing his pace in the team at the minute.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on August 02, 2017, 09:45:07 PM
PSG really are the biggest fake, plastic club in the world. Horrible club. Neymar is already at the best club in the world, what could he possibly achieve in France that isn't already better in Spain?

All I'd say in his defence is that maybe he wants to get out of the shadow of Messi. If Messi is going to be there for a few more years, he's not going to be the main man at that club for a long time yet.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Polledreng on August 02, 2017, 09:49:53 PM
I still wish he was here, I know he was crap defensively, but still think he will turn out to be a decent player given the right coaching and we are seriously missing his pace in the team at the minute.
Has he even been in a matchsquad yet ?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lincs Toffee on August 02, 2017, 10:07:53 PM
Has he even been in a matchsquad yet ?
Not sure mate I don't really follow Barca
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Polledreng on August 02, 2017, 10:24:34 PM
Not sure mate I don't really follow Barca
Neither do I - just had a look in my App when they have been playing and couldn't find him. Could be injured aswell...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on August 03, 2017, 03:57:16 PM
French reports that he's decided to stay at Arsenal
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Escla on August 03, 2017, 04:00:48 PM
French reports that he's decided to stay at Arsenal

Was never really a strong possibility that he would come here, am sure Koeman/Walsh hadn't banked on getting him, let's close the thread !
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on August 03, 2017, 04:11:30 PM
Was never really a strong possibility that he would come here, am sure Koeman/Walsh hadn't banked on getting him, let's close the thread !

You can't close the thread just because one French website is reporting a story
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Escla on August 03, 2017, 04:20:49 PM
You can't close the thread just because one French website is reporting a story

I know that, was joking but a lot of the British press saying the same thing and I really doubt that we ever considered it a strong prospect.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lazarou on August 03, 2017, 04:24:40 PM
Was there anything in this anyway other than speculation?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on August 03, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
I know that, was joking but a lot of the British press saying the same thing and I really doubt that we ever considered it a strong prospect.

They are only quoting the one website though. It's not like it's gospel
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on August 03, 2017, 04:34:08 PM
Was there anything in this anyway other than speculation?

Who knows, but every strong link we have had this year has turned out to be true
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GLewis on August 03, 2017, 04:35:39 PM
The lack of serious links to any other striker would suggest that we are / were very keen.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on August 03, 2017, 05:11:02 PM
The lack of serious links to any other striker would suggest that we are / were very keen.

Yeah would be a big miss for us I think.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on August 03, 2017, 05:18:50 PM
Was he ever a genuine target?

Move on, nothing to see here
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Rhys on August 03, 2017, 05:23:45 PM
Stories dont get run as often as this one for as long as this one if he wasnt a genuine target.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Waltzer on August 03, 2017, 05:37:31 PM
Hope we dont sign him anyway, we need someone with real pace up front and he doesnt have it
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lazarou on August 03, 2017, 05:44:07 PM
Yeah I never wanted him at Everton either  :whistle:
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Polledreng on August 03, 2017, 05:56:38 PM
Yeah I never wanted him at Everton either  :whistle:
Ha ha.... and Barkley and Lukaku is the same  :whistle:
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on August 03, 2017, 06:03:26 PM
He is obviously a main target.

And I wouldn't take the French press too seriously.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 03, 2017, 06:15:36 PM
Funny to me how people won't believe a word said from our press but treat European papers with some sort of infallibility.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on August 03, 2017, 09:53:23 PM
Wenger saying Sanchez definitely staying...it's a world cup year, you gotta think Giroud must be wondering about his place in the team if indeed Arsenal have decided to keep him and roll the dice. Although on the flip side, they might not let Perez go if they didn't expect Giroud to stick around.

From the BBC (talking about Sanchez):

"The only thing I can tell you is he is focused," said Wenger.

"My decision is clear - he will stay and he will respect that."

The Frenchman, 67, said he would no longer speak publicly about speculation over Sanchez's future, adding: "It is not information anymore, it is suicide.

"He will be here for this season and if we manage to do it for more seasons, we will do it as well."

Wenger also confirmed that Spanish striker Lucas Perez will be allowed to leave the Gunners, with former club Deportivo La Coruna reportedly having made a bid to re-sign the 28-year-old.

"We have a congestion of strikers - I don't want to lose him but too much competition is not competition any more," said Wenger.

"If he finds a satisfying solution, at least for a short time, we will do it."
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on August 03, 2017, 10:01:20 PM
Want
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 03, 2017, 11:23:14 PM
We need a striker plan B.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on August 03, 2017, 11:33:45 PM
We need a striker plan B.

Shit rapper, even shitter footballer
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: gizzblue on August 04, 2017, 11:12:43 PM
I truly hope we're considering other forwards ...nothing against DCL but we need a behemoth upfront.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Fynci on August 06, 2017, 10:09:50 PM
Just scored the winning penalty in the community shield.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Simon Paul on August 06, 2017, 10:13:25 PM
He was never coming to us
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Realist on August 06, 2017, 10:15:05 PM
Panic buy #1 incoming
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 06, 2017, 10:37:33 PM
Panic buy #1 incoming

I'll gladly take a forum warning for suggesting this wanker gets binned off.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Realist on August 06, 2017, 10:39:52 PM
I'll gladly take a forum warning for suggesting this wanker gets binned off.

Take a hike Bob you clown
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Mac934 on August 06, 2017, 11:46:50 PM
 Time will tell if it becomes panic buying.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: American Evertonian on August 07, 2017, 12:17:28 AM
Panic buy #1 incoming

I just pray it isn't from the Russian league like our last panic buy.....
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: American Evertonian on August 07, 2017, 12:18:31 AM
I feel like tensions have been high on this forum recently...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Realist on August 07, 2017, 12:23:30 AM
I feel like tensions have been high on this forum recently...

I've only just joined here & it's bananas! You only ask questions and they're like a pack of hyenas with a freshly killed carcass haha
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: American Evertonian on August 07, 2017, 12:31:40 AM
I've only just joined here & it's bananas! You only ask questions and they're like a pack of hyenas with a freshly killed carcass haha


We are a nice bunch with some occasional wit. It is silly season so once the window closes we will be back to baseline.

Don't let us scare you off just yet.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Realist on August 07, 2017, 12:39:00 AM
We are a nice bunch with some occasional wit. It is silly season so once the window closes we will be back to baseline.

Don't let us scare you off just yet.

I've noticed some alright people to be fair mate, there's some bad idiots on here too. Probably the same everywhere I guess?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: American Evertonian on August 07, 2017, 12:42:45 AM
I've noticed some alright people to be fair mate, there's some bad idiots on here too. Probably the same everywhere I guess?

Go over to GOT. Will make us all look like Nobel laureates.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bally on August 07, 2017, 04:02:33 AM
I've noticed some alright people to be fair mate, there's some bad idiots on here too. Probably the same everywhere I guess?
No its really not, go into the other forums and see how long you last there, genuinely... Go try it.

Accusing people of a pack mentality when all it is, is the majority disagreeing with you then that sort of gets people's backs up. What also doesn't help is that you feel randomer off the Internet has a more important opinion than anyone else on the Internet and your opinion is the only one that actually counts... Argghhh everyone is out to get me, and I that's what people react to nothing else.

This place is like nirvana compared to other forums, enjoy your stay, I understand you have a minority opinion, I had one too spent 2 and a half years being negative about Martinez but I never went off abiut it every other post
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toddacelli on August 07, 2017, 06:05:44 AM
I've noticed some alright people to be fair mate, there's some bad idiots on here too. Probably the same everywhere I guess?
I always welcome different opinions and perspectives because it is new information that allows you to reflect and reassess your own opinion and either change it or reaffirm it.

It's good to have different voices, as long as they express themselves and they are not just banging the drum repetitively.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on August 07, 2017, 06:11:39 AM
Go over to GOT. Will make us all look like Nobel laureates.

I'm still banned from there 😂
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Tony Clifton on August 07, 2017, 06:19:23 AM
I truly hope we're considering other forwards ...nothing against DCL but we need a behemoth upfront.

That Daz Boots, Baz Doost, whatshisname lad?  He fits the behemtoh bill.  That fucking Mothra thing from Godzilla! :D
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 07, 2017, 06:30:34 AM
That Daz Boots, Baz Doost, whatshisname lad?  He fits the behemtoh bill.  That fucking Mothra thing from Godzilla! :D

I'm down with him.  He's a not-Benteke backup option since my Giroud dream is apparently dead.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Tony Clifton on August 07, 2017, 06:36:52 AM
I'm down with him.  He's a not-Benteke backup option since my Giroud dream is apparently dead.

Hold on to that dream man - I am!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 09, 2017, 11:25:51 PM
Apparently told koeman he doesn't want to come as his Mrs wants to stay in London

Who is the next cab on the rank?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on August 09, 2017, 11:34:37 PM
Apparently told koeman he doesn't want to come as his Mrs wants to stay in London

Who is the next cab on the rank?

Andre Gray has gone to Watford. That's him out of contention too.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Toffee1 on August 09, 2017, 11:40:02 PM
Danny Wellbeck, Bas Dost and Benteke are the others mentionned or could be a complete leftfield player that has not been linked.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 09, 2017, 11:42:49 PM
I've only just joined here & it's bananas! You only ask questions and they're like a pack of hyenas with a freshly killed carcass haha


It's because you reek of death and despair.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueForYou on August 10, 2017, 01:07:54 AM
Most like hunting in packs but it's the laughing hyena who outsmarts 'em


Think Joe Parkinson against Paul Ince & Co in the '95 Cup final

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Realist on August 10, 2017, 01:42:12 AM
It's because you reek of death and despair.

And truth?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: stirlingblue on August 10, 2017, 03:42:12 AM
And truth?

Not to sound like I'm telling you how to live but it may well be the smug 'I'm the only one who sees the truth' attitude that puts people's backs up...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 10, 2017, 03:48:20 AM
Deffo sense a panic on the horizon. We're gonna pay £50m for Welbeck or Bas Dost on deadline day, aren't we?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ravardo on August 10, 2017, 04:39:54 AM
Welbeck was so yesterday im sure were already on walcott now
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: School of Science on August 10, 2017, 05:21:29 AM
Deffo sense a panic on the horizon. We're gonna pay £50m for Welbeck or Bas Dost on deadline day, aren't we?

The more I see those supposed targets, the more I worry and think Vardy would be so fucking ideal for us at this time, speed, work rate, goals a d good I jury record, shouldn't cost that .such either, they just bought Iniacho.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: sam of the south on August 10, 2017, 05:29:55 AM
The more I see those supposed targets, the more I worry and think Vardy would be so fucking ideal for us at this time, speed, work rate, goals a d good I jury record, shouldn't cost that .such either, they just bought Iniacho.

I think they are likely to sell Slimani, so Vardy is unlikely to be easy to purchase.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: School of Science on August 10, 2017, 05:35:11 AM
I think they are likely to sell Slimani, so Vardy is unlikely to be easy to purchase.

They will definitely sell one of them, depends really who is bid for first, imo.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: sam of the south on August 10, 2017, 05:40:09 AM
They will definitely sell one of them, depends really who is bid for first, imo.

I think Newcastle and Sporting Lisbon are pretty interested in Slimani, and since our early flurry of getting shit done we've gone a bit dithery again, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ravardo on August 10, 2017, 05:45:17 AM
Was slimani a walsh signing? if so i wouldve thought it would be over vardy
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 10, 2017, 07:32:09 AM
I would love us to go for Dzeko if Giroud is a none starter. Had an unbelievable year last year. Good target man and gets a lot of goals.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on August 10, 2017, 09:06:00 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4776962/amp/Corinthians-striker-Jo-regrets-missed-Everton-opportunity.html
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on August 10, 2017, 09:21:39 AM
I liked Jo
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: gizzblue on August 10, 2017, 05:02:02 PM
I liked Jo
Possibly the laziest player ever ....made lukaku look hyperactive ....that game he Sat on his arse on the pitch ..whinging said it all.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Escla on August 10, 2017, 05:08:35 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4776962/amp/Corinthians-striker-Jo-regrets-missed-Everton-opportunity.html

That spontaneous article reeks of "please come get me Koeman"
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ramjam on August 10, 2017, 05:09:25 PM
That spontaneous article reeks of "please come get me Koeman"

That ship has sails I'm afraid
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: School of Science on August 10, 2017, 05:13:50 PM
That ship has sails I'm afraid

Think it's sank tbh.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ramjam on August 10, 2017, 05:15:51 PM
Think it's sank tbh.

Titanic
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Thomas on August 11, 2017, 08:16:38 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4776962/amp/Corinthians-striker-Jo-regrets-missed-Everton-opportunity.html

Dissapeared off the face of the earth for several years then without really setting it alight, turned up playing for the host nation at the WC14. Odd.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: American Evertonian on August 12, 2017, 03:29:41 AM
Just put one in. He is what we need here but doubt he comes
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Sir Stealth on August 12, 2017, 03:30:56 AM
Arsenal would be insane to let him go. He's such a good option to have up there. Wish he was playing for us

Mad that some fans wouldn't want him
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 12, 2017, 03:31:14 AM
no chance now...what a header.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on August 12, 2017, 03:31:28 AM
Not happening lads
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 12, 2017, 03:32:18 AM
Arsenal would be insane to let him go. He's such a good option to have up there. Wish he was playing for us

Mad that some fans wouldn't want him
Some of our fans did not want lukaku
Nothing surprises me anymore
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Risky on August 12, 2017, 03:33:20 AM
Again I'm not sure that goal changes much.  It's all down to whether he'd rather be back-up there than a starter with us. 
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 12, 2017, 03:35:22 AM
He's a non starter so why not bid for Dzecko? He's prem experienced. Not rapid but can score goals a good target man.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Realist on August 12, 2017, 03:42:44 AM
He's a non starter so why not bid for Dzecko? He's prem experienced. Not rapid but can score goals a good target man.

Cos he's a pussy? Spends more time throwing himself on the floor
I really wish we'd have signed Giroud though
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 12, 2017, 03:43:32 AM
max headroom with a 13 inch cock
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Danny on August 12, 2017, 03:46:11 AM
His hold up play is unreal, his setup for Lacazette to win the corner was amazing as well.

On Dzeko Roma won't sell another star player this summer unless we offered insane money, doubt he'd want to come either.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Buck76 on August 12, 2017, 03:53:04 AM
He still looks better in Blue....  Perfect signing if we pulled it off! No Chance Now Like. Feel sorry for Leicester thou Vardy looked razor sharp
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: kewns23 on August 12, 2017, 03:55:27 AM
I think he's be the perfect fit for us up top!! Just give him £££ and he will come lol

Fuck offer them Barkley in exchange it might soften the blow!!!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 12, 2017, 03:58:40 AM
Again I'm not sure that goal changes much.  It's all down to whether he'd rather be back-up there than a starter with us. 

You don't want to go asking that question any more than you want to get piss drunk, call your ex at 2am and demand "are you REALLY happier without me?"
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 12, 2017, 04:01:55 AM
Wenger just said Giroud has decided to stay.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Goaljira on August 12, 2017, 04:03:02 AM
Wenger just said Giroud has decided to stay.

/end
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pjk on August 12, 2017, 04:04:43 AM
Wenger just said Giroud has decided to stay.




Pffttt! Gone. :(
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2017, 04:07:27 AM
I never really thought he'd come here anyway.

Shame.

Next.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 12, 2017, 04:09:29 AM
Wenger just said Giroud has decided to stay.

didn't he say that like 2 weeks/10 pages ago?  Or more like "I have decided he will stay, and Olivier has accepted that."

Giroud always did strike me as too much of a gentleman and too connected to the club to really kick up a fuss and force a move, so long as he had some kind of role.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Realist on August 12, 2017, 04:15:51 AM
Close the thread
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 12, 2017, 04:58:03 AM
/me enters Dolberg thread...
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 12, 2017, 05:05:36 AM
Giroud always did strike me as too much of a gentleman and too connected to the club to really kick up a fuss and force a move, so long as he had some kind of role.

A gentleman? Stop talking out of your hoop.

He's decided to stay at Arsenal because we aren't a step up career wise (nor that much of a significant wage increase) and hasn't kicked up a stink for the same reason(s).

Wonder how much of a 'gentleman' he'd be if a top club showed any interest.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ell Capitan on August 12, 2017, 01:54:12 PM
Well that was a waste of 36 pages. 
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2017, 03:07:31 PM
"How does £30m sound, Arsene?"

"Nice, Farhad!"
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 12, 2017, 04:06:11 PM
That header just advertised superb technique,fitness,desire and Wenger now has Ollies balls resting on his chin, so the dying embers of any hope are now well and truly out..
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 12, 2017, 04:17:45 PM
I'd like to think that Giroud would like to be considered more than just a super sub. And that his ego is sufficient for him to want to be number one choice striker at a club rather than 3rd or 4th choice where he is now.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on September 24, 2017, 06:31:00 AM
 Sunday Mirror saying this wil go through in January for £40m. The Sunday Sun saying we will go after Josh King
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2017, 06:40:56 AM
I'd have both
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: bluenuck on September 24, 2017, 06:59:18 AM
I'd have both

I don't see us getting either though.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pedrotheblue on September 24, 2017, 07:02:48 AM
 Bollox to King, rather give DCL time on the pitch to develop.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on September 24, 2017, 09:08:37 AM
Bollox to King, rather give DCL time on the pitch to develop.

I hate this attitude. We need options. Signing a player doesn't automatically confine another to the bench or the reserves, it simply gives us more options. Something we're desperate for up front.
Title: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on September 24, 2017, 09:16:17 AM
40 mill for Giroud. What a joke. Besides it wasn't arsenal refusing to sell it was the player refusing to come.

I’d take King for 30 mill no problem.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on September 24, 2017, 09:17:56 AM
40 mill for Giroud. What a joke. Besides it wasn't arsenal refusing to sell it was the player refusing to come.

I’d take King for 30 mill no problem.

I'd pay 40m for Giroud in a fucking heartbeat. Can't really blame him for wanting to stay and fight for his place at Arsenal, they're bigger and better than us currently.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 24, 2017, 03:09:03 PM
Not sure he'll be wanting mid-table football?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pjk on September 24, 2017, 05:05:08 PM
£40 mill for Giroud is nonsense. Fucking newspapers think the bigger the money the more clicks they'll get from their twitter standard bullshit. Apart from Neymar and the Arab owners of PSG, it's the shit tabloids that have inflated the market. Unfortunately, a lot of people tend to see it as some sort of fact.  ???
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on September 24, 2017, 05:20:37 PM
£40 mill for Giroud is nonsense. Fucking newspapers think the bigger the money the more clicks they'll get from their twitter standard bullshit. Apart from Neymar and the Arab owners of PSG, it's the shit tabloids that have inflated the market. Unfortunately, a lot of people tend to see it as some sort of fact.  ???

Just reporting it buddy - never actually believe these things myself until there is more tangible evidence
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 24, 2017, 05:38:23 PM
said it in the dcl thread, he's 31 in 6 days. we have an aging old ass squad. had enough of players who failed at other clubs and have come here cos they;re old and not needed anymore..

our youth are the future, our under 23 team and the players who won the world cup need to be in the squad getting the experience.. they need to get used to playing as a balanced team, so they can get the mistakes out of them..

we have so many old players already, who lack pace..  we cant do shit in the premierleague unless most of the players we pick are dynamic.

DCL>GIROUD all day everyday.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pjk on September 24, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
Just reporting it buddy - never actually believe these things myself until there is more tangible evidence



I'm not having a go at you personally mate. It just riled me as soon as I saw it. The media come out with this stuff and in two shakes of a lamb's tail, it's being discussed as fact. :)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on September 24, 2017, 05:46:28 PM


I'm not having a go at you personally mate. It just riled me as soon as I saw it. The media come out with this stuff and in two shakes of a lamb's tail, it's being discussed as fact. :)

I know mate. I'm always wary that whenever I post a rumour people think I believe it though. I just post them as they're out there
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2017, 05:48:05 PM
I hate this attitude. We need options. Signing a player doesn't automatically confine another to the bench or the reserves, it simply gives us more options. Something we're desperate for up front.

We have options. We have four options up top in Rooney, DCL, Sandro and Niasse. We don't need any more options, we need 1st team guaranteed quality. Josh King isn't guaranteed to get in the team above any of them four every week.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on September 24, 2017, 05:53:31 PM
We have options. We have four options up top in Rooney, DCL, Sandro and Niasse. We don't need any more options, we need 1st team guaranteed quality. Josh King isn't guaranteed to get in the team above any of them four every week.

Playing Devil's Advocate here - Rooney not an out and out striker and best days long gone, Sandro taking time to adjust, DCL still learning his game and Niasse is not the Messiah and still probably on the way out come January. Looking at King yesterday and the few other times I've seen him he could be a very useful option
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 24, 2017, 06:12:52 PM
We don't seem to have a lot of imagination when it comes to our larger signings
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on September 24, 2017, 06:20:39 PM
We have options. We have four options up top in Rooney, DCL, Sandro and Niasse. We don't need any more options, we need 1st team guaranteed quality. Josh King isn't guaranteed to get in the team above any of them four every week.

I'd argue he would be guaranteed first team at this stage. I like the look of him over the pst couple of seasons. That was a great finish against us.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 24, 2017, 06:24:51 PM
I've rated King for a few years, He'd be good on either side of DCL (if Koeman wants to keep it as a front 3)
Be good in a 2 also, but I cant see Koeman dropping Sandro or Rooney to play King.

just want to hear the commentators say King Niasse!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Faceatthefence on September 24, 2017, 06:32:08 PM
Signing in january is tricky at the best of times,niasse,dcl,sandro will do for me.Lets not forget our leader wanted the lob sided tally of goals shift to our trio of sig,rooney and klassen,goals from all over the pitch.Ronald has stated lets get real over our expectations,if that truly is the whole sum of it the best we can expect is a cup run and the team having more shape along the way.
We are forgetting Coleman and Bolasie back soon,and i reckon if koeman sorts out a line up that works we could well look a real good outfit at the end of the season without wasting any more cash.



Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2017, 06:43:31 PM
I'd argue he would be guaranteed first team at this stage. I like the look of him over the pst couple of seasons. That was a great finish against us.

In three months time Sandro may have settled, DCL may have come on a lot more and Niasse may prove a valuable squad player who chips in with a few important goals. No-one knows what state we'll be in come January, so taking a punt on a still unproven top level player might not be necessary.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on September 24, 2017, 06:46:00 PM
In three months time Sandro may have settled, DCL may have come on a lot more and Niasse may prove a valuable squad player who chips in with a few important goals. No-one knows what state we'll be in come January, so taking a punt on a still unproven top level player might not be necessary.

Fingers crossed. I just don't think King is a bad option.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on September 24, 2017, 06:56:26 PM
I'd pay 40m for Giroud in a fucking heartbeat. Can't really blame him for wanting to stay and fight for his place at Arsenal, they're bigger and better than us currently.

You'd pay 40 mill for a 31 year old? I'd go as high as 30 I think, but even then that would be pushing it.

His bird doesn't want to move north anyway so it's a nonsense story.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on September 24, 2017, 06:59:23 PM
You'd pay 40 mill for a 31 year old?

Yep, and more.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueForYou on September 24, 2017, 07:06:37 PM
Giroud, definitely @ £30m

King? Would prefer to try and tempt Matt Ritchie

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2017, 07:07:44 PM
Yep, and more.

Bonkers.

I'm not so sure Giroud is what we need now. Don't get me wrong he's decent but with the other players we have I think we need more movement up top. We don't have enough pace around him to make it work with him as the focal point, in my opinion.

We have a lot of players who like to come to the ball and nothing going the other way. Niasse comes on, makes a few forward movements and we immediately look a more threatening proposition on goal. If we had someone in that mould a level above him who can also hold the ball up as well it would suit our play a whole lot better.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on September 24, 2017, 07:09:41 PM
Yep, and more.

I'd rather invest in younger if we're going above 40 mill. Giroud is a great player, no doubt, but his age and lack of pace would put me off paying mega big money for him.

It's a mute point anyway as this isn't going to happen.

I'd pay 40 mill for Benteke who has pace, is a decent target man with goals in him too, plus we'd get him as he approaches his peak years.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: BlueForYou on September 24, 2017, 07:13:02 PM
£40m+?

That'll be for Cavani!
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on September 24, 2017, 07:13:48 PM
I'd pay 40 mill for Benteke who has pace, is a decent target man with goals in him too, plus we'd get him as he approaches his peak years.

Benteke isn't fit to lace Giroud's boots imo. It might be bonkers, but 40m isn't that much these days. If Liverpool payed that much for Chamberlain I'd happily pay it for Giroud.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on September 24, 2017, 07:17:29 PM
Benteke isn't fit to lace Giroud's boots imo. It might be bonkers, but 40m isn't that much these days. If Liverpool payed that much for Chamberlain I'd happily pay it for Giroud.

I think he's a decent striker, and yes I agree Giroud is better at present, but how many years do we get out of Giroud? And he's another slow player.

And is he really any better than Niasse? ;)
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on September 24, 2017, 07:25:01 PM
Won't be any striker coming in Jan if results and performances don't improve. These funds may well go towards paying off Koeman and his backroom staff if this rubbish continues to be churned out.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pjk on September 24, 2017, 07:28:35 PM
Now 40 million has been mentioned as Giroud's price and people are agreeing. This thread has lost any credibility in my mind and probably won't be sussed as ridiculous, till his price hits 50 mill. What a joke. lolol
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 24, 2017, 07:34:47 PM
Even if ~Koeman gets Giroud, Giroud will be isolated,  same as DCL be's iscolated when he's playing alone up front.

I guess Koeman thinks every player is like Lukaku, can hold onto the ball, out muscle 3 defenders and score.. or get his team mates involved..

so many times this season and last, our main striker was around 40 yards away from the rest of the team..

How is that even possible, let alone a tactic that Koeman thinks is usable?? sounds like a Martinez idea its so fucking absurd.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blargins on September 24, 2017, 07:37:58 PM
Won't be any striker coming in Jan if results and performances don't improve. These funds may well go towards paying off Koeman and his backroom staff if this rubbish continues to be churned out.
Koeman will be half way through his contract. It will only cost 7.5 million (or 2.5 Holgates) to pay him off.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: pedrotheblue on September 24, 2017, 07:39:21 PM
I hate this attitude. We need options. Signing a player doesn't automatically confine another to the bench or the reserves, it simply gives us more options. Something we're desperate for up front.

What we need is a proven experienced striker to get us goals and for the likes of DCL to learn from, King isn't that player. Get someone like Giroud if at all possible and someone to provide attacking threat, pace and width which we desperately need.

King's a decent player by not what we need right now.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2017, 07:41:39 PM
Even if ~Koeman gets Giroud, Giroud will be isolated,  same as DCL be's iscolated when he's playing alone up front.

I guess Koeman thinks every player is like Lukaku, can hold onto the ball, out muscle 3 defenders and score.. or get his team mates involved..

so many times this season and last, our main striker was around 40 yards away from the rest of the team..

How is that even possible, let alone a tactic that Koeman thinks is usable?? sounds like a Martinez idea its so fucking absurd.

You make some valid points and whilst I think your shout that DCL over an proven experienced alternative is bonkers there is a valid argument that buying a static target man in this system, with these players around him, wouldn't improve the flow of our play much more than at present.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on September 24, 2017, 07:43:06 PM
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Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 25, 2017, 01:11:33 AM
Koeman will be half way through his contract. It will only cost 7.5 million (or 2.5 Holgates) to pay him off.
2.5 Holgates sounds like a real currency term, could catch on that.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Realist on September 25, 2017, 01:21:07 AM
£40m - Got to be better options than Giroud at that sort of price surely
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: arteta4spain on September 25, 2017, 01:27:01 AM
£40m - Got to be better options than Giroud at that sort of price surely
How about Bakambu from Villarreal? He seems a good option and might not cost an astronomical fee.
The articles from 2016 like but it's worth a read;
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/cedric-bakambu-villarreals-latest-goalscoring-great-whos-made-premier-league
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2017, 04:01:51 AM
Some proper head on backwards opinions in this thread. Giroud walks into this team and takes it up a notch without breaking a sweat.

However, I'll be disappointed if we are ONLY looking at Giroud when we clearly need some pace in and around. Natural runners, carry the ball, get in behind, commit defenders and stick it on the mans head etc.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: TheRam on September 25, 2017, 04:08:22 AM
Giroud is the business.

I'm willing to call a hit on his missus to get this done.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluebridge on September 25, 2017, 04:37:13 AM
So how have we gone from £20m in the summer to £40m now? Has he lost a few years or banging goals in left, right and centre, He''ll be six months older and have six months less on his contract in January. I'd love hime here, but £20m is the max for me.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Ross on September 25, 2017, 04:51:50 AM
Can't see what the obsession is with some of our fans and this fella.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 25, 2017, 04:58:18 AM
Some proper head on backwards opinions in this thread. Giroud walks into this team and takes it up a notch without breaking a sweat.

However, I'll be disappointed if we are ONLY looking at Giroud when we clearly need some pace in and around. Natural runners, carry the ball, get in behind, commit defenders and stick it on the mans head etc.

40m for an unwanted 31 year old is ridiculous though. Also walking into a team without a senior striker isn't much of a test
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: blueToffee on September 25, 2017, 05:01:28 AM
Very good player and would improve us, but even as a big fan 40 mil seems a bit much. As much as a target man would be useful, as mentioned if he’s rather static that doesn’t mix well with the pedestrian speed of our no.10s so we’d need pace another way.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2017, 05:09:13 AM
40m for an unwanted 31 year old is ridiculous though. Also walking into a team without a senior striker isn't much of a test

What would you rather have, a proven CL striker on the pitch or £40m in Moshiri' bank account?
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bally on September 25, 2017, 05:18:18 AM
Can everyone please keep in mind that Giroud has absolutely no interest in coming to Everton
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 25, 2017, 05:22:27 AM
Can everyone please keep in mind that Giroud has absolutely no interest in coming to Everton
Giroud Mrs doesnt
Giroud did.....
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bally on September 25, 2017, 05:42:04 AM
Giroud Mrs doesnt
Giroud did.....
No
He didn't mate, I have an inside source, absolutely no interest at all, was never coming here can't see it changing after Xmas either, I'll ask like and if it changes then I'll say.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 25, 2017, 06:02:42 AM
No
He didn't mate, I have an inside source, absolutely no interest at all, was never coming here can't see it changing after Xmas either, I'll ask like and if it changes then I'll say.
Ok pal. Different from what I heard but I'm sure your source is more reliable
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 25, 2017, 06:07:57 AM
40 million for a 31 year old is nuts, however true or false.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GoodisonPk on September 25, 2017, 06:19:42 AM
40 million for a 31 year old is nuts, however true or false.

Whats worth it though? 30 mill? Hes not going to be sold for 15 mill. We need to pay overs for a few windows to get up there.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: sam of the south on September 25, 2017, 06:31:23 AM
40 million for a 31 year old is nuts, however true or false.

It's up there with £45m for a 28 year-old.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 25, 2017, 06:33:57 AM
if we do pay over the odds for a player who doesnt want to come here, into a team that is lacking a lot more than a big immobile striker,..

one word comes to mind.. desperation.

Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 25, 2017, 07:15:12 AM
Is Des Peration another Italian striker?
Haven't heard of him.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Jamokachi on September 25, 2017, 08:17:24 AM
So how have we gone from £20m in the summer to £40m now? Has he lost a few years or banging goals in left, right and centre, He''ll be six months older and have six months less on his contract in January. I'd love hime here, but £20m is the max for me.

Neymar happened.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluebridge on September 25, 2017, 01:15:46 PM
Neymar happened.
Good point well made,
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Macca77 on September 25, 2017, 01:30:43 PM
Hes sexy though
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Brownie20 on September 25, 2017, 01:44:32 PM
Neymar happened.

And don't forget the January Transfer Window tax
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2017, 01:54:59 PM
Throwing the towel in me
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 25, 2017, 01:56:38 PM
What would you rather have, a proven CL striker on the pitch or £40m in Moshiri' bank account?


They surely aren't the only 2 options though are they? I'd rather we took a little more of a punt with our 40m got someone a bit younger who might go up in value instead of down. If it's him or nothing then obviously I'd rather we signed him
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: School of Science on September 25, 2017, 01:59:36 PM
Should be looking for a younger Lukaku, that young centre forward from Atalanta wasn't bad either.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2017, 01:59:49 PM
They surely aren't the only 2 options though are they? I'd rather we took a little more of a punt with our 40m got someone a bit younger who might go up in value instead of down. If it's him or nothing then obviously I'd rather we signed him

Not arsed about value in this case tbh, we actually are in a desperate situation.

think a technically good target man who bags goals and creates plenty for others would totally change this side.

Yeah I'd love a hazard and a Mane and a 20 year old Ibra, but if there's a chance of this coming off it would be massive for the side.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 25, 2017, 02:36:24 PM
Is it really beyond the realms of possibility that we could tempt Icardi for £10m - £20m more?
He's a similar player but 7 years younger and probably a better finisher.

He's also a complete love rat like Giroud.
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: Bluedylan on September 25, 2017, 02:41:58 PM
Is it really beyond the realms of possibility that we could tempt Icardi for £10m - £20m more?
He's a similar player but 7 years younger and probably a better finisher.

He's also a complete love rat like Giroud.

Absolutely loves Inter apparently, so probably would take a special club or offer to get him out of there. Don't think we're special enough (to an external party).
Title: Re: Olivier Giroud
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on September 25, 2017, 03:15:35 PM
40 mill for Giroud. What a joke. Besides it wasn't arsenal refusing to sell it was the player refusing to come.

I'd take King for 30 mill no problem.
Zero chance you’d get King for £30m