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Title: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Silas on September 18, 2017, 12:55:10 AM
Okay to switch things up a bit from all the doom and gloom...

We've had a really tough opening set of fixtures.
We have signed a number of players who need to adapt.
Pretty much all of our signings are capable of more. There is no way Pickford, Keane, Sandro, Sigurdsson and Klaassen aren't much better than they have shown so far for a start.
The upcoming games should get us some points on the board.
We are still in Europe.
We've still got potentially three first teamers to come back at some point.

There's other things but let's not push it. What say you? Is it really that terrible?
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Bluedylan on September 18, 2017, 01:01:58 AM
For me there aren't too many of these but that doesn't mean the situation should be met with panic and chaotic decision making.

Work hard in training and get a win in midweek with hopefully a bit of football sprinkled in. At least we did see tiny bits of passing football today.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Cuttyblue on September 18, 2017, 01:11:02 AM
Okay to switch things up a bit from all the doom and gloom...

We've had a really tough opening set of fixtures.
We have signed a number of players who need to adapt.
Pretty much all of our signings are capable of more. There is no way Pickford, Keane, Sandro, Sigurdsson and Klaassen aren't much better than they have shown so far for a start.
The upcoming games should get us some points on the board.
We are still in Europe.
We've still got potentially three first teamers to come back at some point.

There's other things but let's not push it. What say you? Is it really that terrible?

Shocking how poor several of the new signings are inc Schneiderlin.

I wouldn't have expected much more than 6 pts so far with these fixtures, but the manner in which we are capitulating... what are we score line wise in the last 5 matches? Guessing 1-14? Shocking.

But it is true that things could quickly recover... how are we going to score against Burnley though?  These guys are a tough nut to crack
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 18, 2017, 01:11:03 AM
Was really chuffed until Davies went off.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on September 18, 2017, 01:13:19 AM
I think this is our bottom for the season.

(If we lose our next one, I will be retroactively erasing this post.) :titanic:
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Silas on September 18, 2017, 01:15:51 AM
Shocking how poor several of the new signings are inc Schneiderlin.

I wouldn't have expected much more than 6 pts so far with these fixtures, but the manner in which we are capitulating... what are we score line wise in the last 5 matches? Guessing 1-14? Shocking.

But it is true that things could quickly recover... how are we going to score against Burnley though?  These guys are a tough nut to crack

A set piece maybe? When you are struggling you just need that one bit of luck. Schneiderlin has not been a poor signing, he's one of a number to start the season poorly, I thought he looked better today. The signings can't be written off as poor yet and we know Sigurdsson and Keane are definitely capable of more in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: charlatan on September 18, 2017, 01:21:22 AM
First 10 minutes aside, thought we were OK today, and should really have been at worst level.  They looked poor, and we looked the more likely until Williams completely fucked us over.

I never want to see that fat useless sideshow bob headed cunt in a blue shirt again
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 18, 2017, 01:22:02 AM
Didn't watch today so can't comment on the game. The reality is we are probably not very good but there's also 12-13 teams who are varying degrees worse. It's dull. We won't progress towards the 6 above us but nor is the world falling in

I do think koeman and Walsh as a partnership is a massive issue. Clearly something in that relationship doesn't work.

We'll be fine though. We'll continue being Everton. The best of the sides who aren't right good
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 18, 2017, 01:39:15 AM
A set piece maybe? When you are struggling you just need that one bit of luck. Schneiderlin has not been a poor signing, he's one of a number to start the season poorly, I thought he looked better today. The signings can't be written off as poor yet and we know Sigurdsson and Keane are definitely capable of more in the Premier League.

They maybe capable of better, but our manager and the formation style he utilises does not do us any favors.

dont know if they can be better when the instructions that Koeman is telling them aren't being followed through, not sure if this is a translation errors or players not caring.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 18, 2017, 01:42:21 AM
Reasons for optimism?

The shite are still nowhere near a title challenge.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Macca77 on September 18, 2017, 01:46:54 AM
Okay to switch things up a bit from all the doom and gloom...

We've had a really tough opening set of fixtures.
We have signed a number of players who need to adapt.
Pretty much all of our signings are capable of more. There is no way Pickford, Keane, Sandro, Sigurdsson and Klaassen aren't much better than they have shown so far for a start.
The upcoming games should get us some points on the board.
We are still in Europe.
We've still got potentially three first teamers to come back at some point.

There's other things but let's not push it. What say you? Is it really that terrible?

Proper mad you, its the worst ever, everyone is shit, booooo Everton! I told you so etc...
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Macca77 on September 18, 2017, 01:47:53 AM
Reasons for optimism?

The shite are still nowhere near a title challenge.

Come on mate, your better than that, who cares about them, honestly
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: blargins on September 18, 2017, 01:51:46 AM
It was our best performance of the season and we lost 4-0. It actually hurts more than if we had not even tried.

I think we will be ok, but individual errors from the players and dumb subs from the manager have to stop. I'm at the point where I'm not bothered if Koeman goes and I always said I'd give until the end of the year before making the call.

I think we need to focus on one of our playmakers to be the core of the side, and it shouldn't be Sig yet. It's clear he is struggling due to having no pre-season, so a line up similar to today where we are at least more solid (I know we still conceded 4). That was until he decided to take off Davies and Gana and we effectively had Shcneiderlin and the back 5 and a gap to the front 6 which I think was the key to the defeat. Sandro, Sig, DCL, and Mirallas in front of the rest meant we were wide open in the middle. That's what cost us.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Redartin on September 18, 2017, 01:57:34 AM
I never want to see that fat useless sideshow bob headed cunt in a blue shirt again

Was Koeman wearing a jersey?
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Cuttyblue on September 18, 2017, 01:59:39 AM
Reasons for optimism?

The shite are still nowhere near a title challenge.

Aw come on EC... I wish I had a reason to care about the rs - like we're both fighting for 4th and for champs lge, or we're both in the hat for FA Cup semis.

Miles from them at the moment 😞
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: wepull on September 18, 2017, 02:22:21 AM
I think Davies is the only positive this season for me. He still looks as good as he was last season. I really think he needs to start more matches.

Apart from Pickford and Baines (lack of adequate cover), noone in the squad is assured a first team place. We need players to raise their game and Koeman needs to ensure that these players know what they or their teammates are actually supposed to do in a football ground.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Shogun on September 18, 2017, 02:22:40 AM
Sunderland next
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 18, 2017, 02:24:24 AM
Sunderland next

James Vaughan scored for them yesterday..

watching their highlights, Anichebe wasnt in the team.. we sure could do with some one like him :|
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Shogun on September 18, 2017, 02:25:27 AM
James Vaughan scored for them yesterday..

watching their highlights, Anichebe wasnt in the team.. we sure could do with some one like him :|

Think he moved to China?
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 18, 2017, 02:27:14 AM
Think he moved to China?

When did he move? I thought i saw him play earlier in the season for Sunderland.. going to google him now.


edit
moved to China to Beijing Enterprises..

sounds like an Aerospace company

Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Macca77 on September 18, 2017, 02:30:26 AM
James Vaughan scored for them yesterday..

watching their highlights, Anichebe wasnt in the team.. we sure could do with some one like him :|

An average overweight shithouse is exactly what we need right now
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: van der Meyde on September 18, 2017, 02:31:59 AM
Leicester might have a better team than us, but their manager's as bad as ours. 

Southampton haven't really got started yet.

All the other clubs in the league will almost definitely finish below us cos they're crap.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 18, 2017, 02:32:27 AM
An average overweight shithouse is exactly what we need right now

true, better than false 9s and a stack of number 10s.

I know DCL is better, but he doesnt put himself around as much as Victor.. but anyway.. He's probably eating dog and drinking snake flavored liqueur.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Macca77 on September 18, 2017, 02:35:18 AM
true, better than false 9s and a stack of number 10s.

I know DCL is better, but he doesnt put himself around as much as Victor.. but anyway.. He's probably eating dog and drinking snake flavored liqueur.

In fairness to him, he got weighed down by his massive cock, its like a fucking anchor that thing
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 18, 2017, 02:37:10 AM
In fairness to him, he got weighed down by his massive cock, its like a fucking anchor that thing

should have used it on the pitch, could have used those extra 14 inches or so,, just erecting it to get the final touch.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: gizzblue on September 18, 2017, 02:45:26 AM
Despite the shit management at the minute ....I honestly feel Rooney was a good buy ,Sandro needs a goal to kick on ,Klassen needs to relax but all in all the imports are not as bad as the results have made out so far. .....We have bought quite well and it will come ...so when (not if) we get another cb (take willians out and get him euthanized ) and get a striker in we will be back as a team .....till then its gonnabe tough to watch and RK is gonna get pressure like hes never seen.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 18, 2017, 02:48:35 AM
We always knew it was going to be tough, playing four of the top six from the off, it's just the way we've gone about it in some games. I don't think it can get any worse than Spurs.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 18, 2017, 03:32:30 AM
Sandro had a shot on target which the goalkeeper needed to save .
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: School of Science on September 18, 2017, 03:39:39 AM
Thought Schneiderlin was excellent today, Williams had a fine game to, but unfortunately will only be remembered for that slack pass. Thought we played our best football of the season in the second half today and did not in any way Deserve that scoreline. But green shoots today, one win hopefully midweek and we could well turn a corner. Sandro looked lively, we have had an awful run of games and seem to concede a worldly every game, our luck will change the team will gel, seen signs today, we need to be a bit more patient.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 18, 2017, 03:41:31 AM
Sandro looked decent today. With his pedigree there's clearly a decent player in there. Will just require some patience.

I'm hoping we'll see more of Klaassen in the next few games. In pre-season and Europe I thought he looked good, his quick thinking and passing and interplay with Rooney in particular I thought looked like the beginning of something special.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: blueToffee on September 18, 2017, 04:00:52 AM
Sandro looked decent today. With his pedigree there's clearly a decent player in there. Will just require some patience.

I'm hoping we'll see more of Klaassen in the next few games. In pre-season and Europe I thought he looked good, his quick thinking and passing and interplay with Rooney in particular I thought looked like the beginning of something special.

I think we're going to have to rely on him to come good at this point. He needs to be starting more games and we'll have to hope he finds his feet in the league, it might be the case of score one and he'll be off to the races.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: MrWhite on September 18, 2017, 04:35:14 AM
Best thread in this section in the last month. Well in @Silas.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: everton1952 on September 18, 2017, 04:38:11 AM
Perhaps he would be better off at the races than playing for Everton? I hope I am wrong of course.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on September 18, 2017, 04:46:47 AM
We aint got to go to The Etihad, Stamford Bridge or Old Trafford again this season (cups aside)
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Major Clanger on September 18, 2017, 04:52:08 AM
We might all die in a nuclear war.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: MrWhite on September 18, 2017, 04:53:17 AM
We might all die in a nuclear war.
Isn't that more of a double negative?
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: MrWhite on September 18, 2017, 04:56:09 AM
As for positives, Wayne Rooney. His determination, willingness to work, and despite what some say he still has nearly everything he has always had. Only lost a bit of pace.

If everyone else finds some confidence and starts playing to their potential, he will start dictating games.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: MrWhite on September 18, 2017, 04:59:32 AM
Sandro looked decent today. With his pedigree there's clearly a decent player in there. Will just require some patience.

I'm hoping we'll see more of Klaassen in the next few games. In pre-season and Europe I thought he looked good, his quick thinking and passing and interplay with Rooney in particular I thought looked like the beginning of something special.
I missed the second half, the highlights show Sandro looking kuch sharper than previous games?

I think Klaassen needs to play in the Europa where he is already comfortable, to give him time to gel with the side. Mourinho did that with Mkhitaryan and that seems to have paid off nicely.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Martip on September 18, 2017, 05:00:54 AM
Out of interest do we know when seamus and bolasie are due to return ? Need those hellhounds back asap....
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: everton1952 on September 18, 2017, 05:21:33 AM
In my crystal ball I can vaguely see them along with Niasse, and McCarthy and Barkley but they look a lot older than they are now. I can't see Koeman, but it looks like it might be a certain fat Spanish waiter we used to vilify in times past. I would have him tomorrow if he was available.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Major Clanger on September 18, 2017, 05:31:18 AM
Isn't that more of a double negative?

Quote
He tried again. "Going to watch the match this afternoon then?"

Ford glanced round at him.

"No, no point," he said, and looked back out the window.

"What's that, foregone conclusion then, you reckon sir?" said the barman. "Arsenal without a chance?" "No no," said Ford, "it's just that the world's about to end."

"Oh yes, sir, so you said," said the barman, looking over his glasses this time at Arthur. "Lucky escape for Arsenal if it did."
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 18, 2017, 05:38:01 AM
There was a lot to be positive about today as the applause from the fans at the end showed.
People have expectations that every signing should be top class, results come immediately, there are no mistakes on or off the field, every other team is shit so if we fail to win we are worse than shit and someone should get sacked.
Koeman is building a team - it will be 2 seasons before you can judge him. The likes of Williams are good players who were brought in to steady the ship. Hood but not great. He made sure Lukaku hardly got a look in today but will be remembered for a bad pass. There is an element of hypocrisy here as both Keane and Pickford did the same but no one even mentions that.
People need to step back and look at the whole picture rather than playing at football manager and assuming it's as simple as a TV game.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Toddacelli on September 18, 2017, 05:49:09 AM
Okay to switch things up a bit from all the doom and gloom...

We've had a really tough opening set of fixtures.
We have signed a number of players who need to adapt.
Pretty much all of our signings are capable of more. There is no way Pickford, Keane, Sandro, Sigurdsson and Klaassen aren't much better than they have shown so far for a start.
The upcoming games should get us some points on the board.
We are still in Europe.
We've still got potentially three first teamers to come back at some point.

There's other things but let's not push it. What say you? Is it really that terrible?

I would add to that also that when the rest of the team pick up and Rooney isn't carrying everyone - he'll be freed up to be more devastating in and around the area.

All good things come to he who waits...
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: MrWhite on September 18, 2017, 06:02:19 AM
Out of interest do we know when seamus and bolasie are due to return ? Need those hellhounds back asap....
Estimates vary but Christmas seems to be the aim for both, although some reports suggest Seamus is determined to be back sooner.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: MrWhite on September 18, 2017, 06:06:44 AM
@Toddacelli - copycat!

@Master Clanger - wish I could give you +50 karma for that, top class quoting from possibly my favourite book.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: ally2 on September 18, 2017, 06:15:16 AM
Sandro looked sharp today. He was the signing I was most excited about this summer and I'm totally convinced he's going to do it for us based on very little really.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Macca77 on September 18, 2017, 01:34:34 PM
We're only 36 points away from safety
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: brap2 on September 18, 2017, 02:12:17 PM
Yeah I'm backing Sandro. One of them 30 Yarders is going to rocket in shortly.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Lxxx on September 18, 2017, 03:27:46 PM
Bottom three with a goal difference of-8 after 5 games.

You can try and pick a few glimmers of hope if you really want to but those stats are a bit fuckin shite really and as much as I'd like to I can't really garner much optimism yet from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Macca77 on September 18, 2017, 04:09:04 PM
Bottom three with a goal difference of-8 after 5 games.

You can try and pick a few glimmers of hope if you really want to but those stats are a bit fuckin shite really and as much as I'd like to I can't really garner much optimism yet from what I've seen.

The only way is up , Yazz 1988, clever woman that
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: gizzblue on September 18, 2017, 04:52:11 PM
After re watching that from yesterday ....it was a better performance and we looked for parts like a team (we aint much this season at all)....the last ten was hard to see again but Williams is definitely a liability ,seems to lose his head at vital moments ,Martina's flaws are there for all to see (although better forward than back)and the manager didn't help with his bad choices sun wise ....but still better than we have seen this year ....I'm actually quite optimistic again ,we need a similar ethos against the lesser teams and we will pick up points ...  also I wish RK would give Kenny a go ...surely he deserves a try ffs.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Zoolander on September 18, 2017, 07:07:19 PM
After re watching that from yesterday ....it was a better performance and we looked for parts like a team (we aint much this season at all)....the last ten was hard to see again but Williams is definitely a liability ,seems to lose his head at vital moments ,Martina's flaws are there for all to see (although better forward than back)and the manager didn't help with his bad choices sun wise ....but still better than we have seen this year ....I'm actually quite optimistic again ,we need a similar ethos against the lesser teams and we will pick up points ...  also I wish RK would give Kenny a go ...surely he deserves a try ffs.
You re-watched it?
Clearly you're a sucker for punishment!
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 18, 2017, 07:14:47 PM
We've got our health
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Everton Mint on September 18, 2017, 08:21:26 PM
We've played the probable top 4 teams  ( 3 away) and even if we'd played great the losses would still be very likely.

And the old adage used to be 'dont look at the Table until 10 games played..'
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: everton1952 on September 18, 2017, 09:15:21 PM
My system failed for the first time. I recorded the game without watching and at the end asked my wife if I should watch it or not. She said Oh Yes it is worth watching. I watched it from the beginning expecting to see a creditable draw or something, and at the end of the horror show I asked her why she had told me it was worth watching. She had switched the live game off with 10 minutes to go at 0-1.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: gizzblue on September 18, 2017, 09:20:53 PM
You re-watched it?
Clearly you're a sucker for punishment!
Nope just like to get a true grasp of everything ....and 3 conclusions. ...Williams is a shite timebomb , Martina cant defend for a big clock ....and koeman's subs really didn't help matters at all.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 18, 2017, 10:33:37 PM
We'll be fine but something has to change in terms of recruitment for the first team.

It's been quite inept. From waiting too long for players with little intention of signing for us, to the panic attempted buy of sissoko.

To paying top money for players you'd think we had a great negating position for (contracts running down, relegated, practically on strike) to then leaving big holes in our first 11 at the death

I think our recruitment in terms of the u23s or even the cheaper purchases has been very progressive. I think in terms of the first team it's been a bit inept. Not even in so much as the individual signings but in terms of the lack of flexibility leaving us paying a premium or even missing out completely.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Martip on September 18, 2017, 10:50:51 PM
We'll be fine but something has to change in terms of recruitment for the first team.

It's been quite inept. From waiting too long for players with little intention of signing for us, to the panic attempted buy of sissoko.

To paying top money for players you'd think we had a great negating position for (contracts running down, relegated, practically on strike) to then leaving big holes in our first 11 at the death

I think our recruitment in terms of the u23s or even the cheaper purchases has been very progressive. I think in terms of the first team it's been a bit inept. Not even in so much as the individual signings but in terms of the lack of flexibility leaving us paying a premium or even missing out completely.
I was thinking about out u23 team and how strong they are and was trying to decide whether it was a case of great recruitment or crap recruitment ie players brought for the 1st team that are not good enough so demoted !
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 18, 2017, 10:54:49 PM
I was thinking about out u23 team and how strong they are and was trying to decide whether it was a case of great recruitment or crap recruitment ie players brought for the 1st team that are not good enough so demoted !
Can't think of anyone we have signed bar niasse who has been demoted
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Martip on September 18, 2017, 10:59:40 PM
Can't think of anyone we have signed bar niasse who has been demoted
Ok players who we 've signed assuming they'd make the step up but didn't etc
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: mikey_blue on September 18, 2017, 11:04:20 PM
Barkley is still to come back from injury.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Realist on September 18, 2017, 11:06:09 PM
Barkley is still to come back from injury.
I doubt he'll play again
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: mikey_blue on September 18, 2017, 11:09:38 PM
I doubt he'll play again

Pulled hamstring isn't that serious.
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 18, 2017, 11:32:06 PM
Barkley is still to come back from injury.

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Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: BlueForYou on September 22, 2017, 11:04:06 PM
In the face of adversity, great teams are built
Title: Re: Reasons for optimism
Post by: plowman2 on September 22, 2017, 11:16:59 PM
Confidence and attitude are the dangerous areas for me. The new signings need to start performing to the level we presume they are, in order to spread the confidence needed to be brave enough to go for the throat when we get into positions such as 1 nil up at half time against ten men, regardless of who the other team is.