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Title: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: sam of the south on September 20, 2017, 05:50:19 AM
I know it's clearly better than it was under Martinez, but we are hardly high-octane press merchants.

Plus, one look at Jagielka's gut from Sunday's game suggests either the fitness regime isn't hardcore and/or his diet is dire


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170919/a33c66b4bdb41ea716803d87f263f9d2.jpg)


Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: ally2 on September 20, 2017, 06:04:13 AM
Fitness is generally fine. Jags and Williams are clearly pie-eaters though.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: sam of the south on September 20, 2017, 06:10:20 AM
Fitness is generally fine. Jags and Williams are clearly pie-eaters though.

There is a saying in the fitness industry: 'you can't out train a bad diet'

Both are getting on, yes, but both of their guts suggest they aren't taking their recovery time entirely seriously.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 20, 2017, 09:29:32 AM
He's eaten Barkley.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Escla on September 20, 2017, 01:02:39 PM
I know it's clearly better than it was under Martinez, but we are hardly high-octane press merchants.

Plus, one look at Jagielka's gut from Sunday's game suggests either the fitness regime isn't hardcore and/or his diet is dire


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170919/a33c66b4bdb41ea716803d87f263f9d2.jpg)

Well spotted ! That looks a bit Sunday league !
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 20, 2017, 02:31:06 PM
May be the reason behind the unfathomable preference of Williams to jags to be fair.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: brap2 on September 20, 2017, 02:51:36 PM
Should be fined a weeks wages for that the fucking pudding.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: TheRam on September 20, 2017, 02:55:31 PM
Jags has been like that for a while.

That's lower league stuff that, yet he's probably our best centre half at the moment.

Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: BlueForYou on September 20, 2017, 02:56:46 PM
Most, if not all, Premier League forwards would welcome 90mins against Williams and Jags
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 20, 2017, 03:10:40 PM
Yet he's still quicker than the majority of players out there.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: TheTone on September 20, 2017, 03:39:50 PM
weird looking gut that , just looks like he needs a massive shit to get rid of that
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on September 20, 2017, 03:45:09 PM
Isn't  it a bit high ?...or maybe mine is too low !
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 20, 2017, 03:52:52 PM
Isn't  it a bit high ?...or maybe mine is too low !

Thank that means he's carrying a girl and you're carrying a boy.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: brap2 on September 20, 2017, 04:22:46 PM
To be fair if I looked like that I would be made up, but it's just so annoying knowing the anguish we go through as fans at the minute then you see that and the thought of apparently professional sportsmen who are tasked with stopping super athletes often 10 years their junior might not even be taking physical conditioning seriously.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Realist on September 20, 2017, 04:35:01 PM
State of that 😂🐷
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Macca77 on September 20, 2017, 05:05:06 PM
Its nothing new really, quite a few large looking playing in the prem at the moment
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Bluedylan on September 20, 2017, 05:06:03 PM
Embarrassing that.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: hill135 on September 20, 2017, 07:47:25 PM
He's been a fat fuck clogger for a while now. Quite sick of his gut and endless hoofing. Just as bad as Williams in my view and we need to upgrade this position desperately.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Bally on September 20, 2017, 08:14:40 PM
You all do realise, that when you relax your body, like he has there, it all looks shite, professional body builders are the only ones that don't because they are on the edge of being seriously unwell at all times, I'm pretty sure Jags as a professional sportsman would outlast pretty much every fucking clogger on here, how many of you know what it takes to maintain that level of peak fitness, even if you're off by 2/3 days you look shite, Jags is not playing as much and it's going to be detrimental.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 20, 2017, 08:35:52 PM
You all do realise, that when you relax your body, like he has there, it all looks shite, professional body builders are the only ones that don't because they are on the edge of being seriously unwell at all times, I'm pretty sure Jags as a professional sportsman would outlast pretty much every fucking clogger on here, how many of you know what it takes to maintain that level of peak fitness, even if you're off by 2/3 days you look shite, Jags is not playing as much and it's going to be detrimental.
Nah mate your wrong
Jagielka is a fat bastard, he cant run, that's why he hoofs it all the time and so on and so forth
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: ally2 on September 20, 2017, 08:40:17 PM
Nah mate your wrong
Jagielka is a fat bastard, he cant run, that's why he hoofs it all the time and so on and so forth

Agreed
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Bluedylan on September 20, 2017, 08:49:54 PM
You all do realise, that when you relax your body, like he has there, it all looks shite, professional body builders are the only ones that don't because they are on the edge of being seriously unwell at all times, I'm pretty sure Jags as a professional sportsman would outlast pretty much every fucking clogger on here, how many of you know what it takes to maintain that level of peak fitness, even if you're off by 2/3 days you look shite, Jags is not playing as much and it's going to be detrimental.

We're not judging him against us, we're judging him against the elite athletes he plays with and against every week. There's absolutely no way a Prem player should look anything like as podgy as that, whether tense or relaxed.

It's not a character assassination of Jags. He's been superb for us for many years and is rightly viewed with a lot of affection but there's just no way a Prem player should be carrying that extra weight.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: hill135 on September 20, 2017, 08:56:59 PM
Nah mate your wrong
Jagielka is a fat bastard, he cant run, that's why he hoofs it all the time and so on and so forth

Is this sarcasm and straw manning really necessary? You do it a lot and never get pulled up on it.

He's not been in great shape for a number of years and, yes, he does it hoof it very, very often. The fact we've stuck with players like him through their declines is partly why we're such a mediocre outfit. If we're going to crash the top six then he's not good enough going forward.

He's not infallible cos he's played for Everton for a long time.--
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 20, 2017, 08:57:19 PM
That pic for real?
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: sam of the south on September 20, 2017, 10:16:23 PM
That pic for real?

I think so, I got if off the BBC match report, then zoomed in a bit, mainly to cut Lukaku's gloaty boat race out.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Major Clanger on September 20, 2017, 10:20:29 PM
I know it's clearly better than it was under Martinez, but we are hardly high-octane press merchants.

Plus, one look at Jagielka's gut from Sunday's game suggests either the fitness regime isn't hardcore and/or his diet is dire


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170919/a33c66b4bdb41ea716803d87f263f9d2.jpg)

Or maybe it's just bad posture, his shoulders are slumped forward.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: sam of the south on September 20, 2017, 10:37:40 PM
Or maybe it's just bad posture, his shoulders are slumped forward.

That could account for some of the appearence.

However, there is bloat in the upper abdominals, the lower abdominals have an overhang, and the obliques have sprouted love handles.

There are multiple areas of fat storage here.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Lxxx on September 20, 2017, 10:43:23 PM
He was out of shape last year too. Williams is equally embarrassing this season as well.

These aren't old men, they're still reasonably young in context and as they get paid to be a top level athlete for a living it's a fuckin embarrassment to be honest.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Major Clanger on September 20, 2017, 10:46:04 PM
That could account for some of the appearence.

However, there is bloat in the upper abdominals, the lower abdominals have an overhang, and the obliques have sprouted love handles.

There are multiple areas of fat storage here.

The way you put it makes it sound like this is a good thing.

Who wouldn't want multiple areas of fat storage? :)
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: sam of the south on September 20, 2017, 11:01:46 PM
The way you put it makes it sound like this is a good thing.

Who wouldn't want multiple areas of fat storage? :)

Good point.

I'm jealous of Jags' multiple areas of fat storage 😔
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: cantoffee on September 20, 2017, 11:17:46 PM
People do know that when you have a strong core (IE abs) that the muscles actually come away from the body?

Him and Williams are both fit as can be.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Major Clanger on September 20, 2017, 11:28:42 PM
People do know that when you have a strong core (IE abs) that the muscles actually come away from the body?

Him and Williams are both fit as can be.

I trust @sam of the south (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1686) to know everything you need to know about muscles. :)
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Realist on September 20, 2017, 11:57:12 PM
You all do realise, that when you relax your body, like he has there, it all looks shite, professional body builders are the only ones that don't because they are on the edge of being seriously unwell at all times, I'm pretty sure Jags as a professional sportsman would outlast pretty much every fucking clogger on here, how many of you know what it takes to maintain that level of peak fitness, even if you're off by 2/3 days you look shite, Jags is not playing as much and it's going to be detrimental.

Speak for yourself mate I look like I've been carved out of marble
He's probably on 50k a week to stay fit and be game ready - that's a shit diet and there's really no excuse, it's unprofessional
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Bally on September 21, 2017, 12:00:48 AM
Speak for yourself mate I look like I've been carved out of marble
He's probably on 50k a week to stay fit and be game ready - that's a shit diet and there's really no excuse, it's unprofessional
Yeah but Buddha was carved from marble.... TBH I'm not defending his look just trying to make people realise it's not all its cut out to be, just a bad pic
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Realist on September 21, 2017, 12:02:10 AM
Yeah but Buddha was carved from marble.... TBH I'm not defending his look just trying to make people realise it's not all its cut out to be, just a bad pic

😂 Forgot about him didn't I
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 21, 2017, 12:07:49 AM
The lads played under three managers at Everton
Under three maybe four managers at England

I'm not defending his ability I'm merely saying if he was fat surely someone would have pulled him and said sort it

There's a huge complex about he people look, not every player will be built like Ronaldo, nor should they be
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: BlueForYou on September 21, 2017, 12:12:20 AM
But Jags is on his way to looking like the other Ronaldo
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: blueToffee on September 21, 2017, 12:30:37 AM
Some context.

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/phil-jagielka-of-everton-leads-out-his-team-during-the-premier-league-picture-id848583230)

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/romelu-lukaku-of-manchester-united-in-action-with-phil-jagielka-of-picture-id848419456)
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: ally2 on September 21, 2017, 12:38:14 AM
Pickford's allowed
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: bacon sarnie on September 21, 2017, 12:43:44 AM
Everton's modern day Flying Pig. Now that Tommy Lawrence was a fat bastard.

Lay off the spuds lad.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Lxxx on September 21, 2017, 01:17:27 AM
People do know that when you have a strong core (IE abs) that the muscles actually come away from the body?

Him and Williams are both fit as can be.

What rubbish. They don't come out a few inches and look like you're fat.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 21, 2017, 01:18:38 AM
He'll be ironing his shirt over a wok now.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: cantoffee on September 21, 2017, 01:25:23 AM
What rubbish. They don't come out a few inches and look like you're fat.
Are you trying to get me to look up pictures of fit, shirtless men at work to post on here?
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 21, 2017, 01:48:11 AM
I know it's clearly better than it was under Martinez, but we are hardly high-octane press merchants.

Plus, one look at Jagielka's gut from Sunday's game suggests either the fitness regime isn't hardcore and/or his diet is dire


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170919/a33c66b4bdb41ea716803d87f263f9d2.jpg)




Jesus!!! I like jagielka but if that's he's conditioning then he's stealing a wage off of us. Should be utterly ashamed of himself. He's probably fatter than a fair percentage of this forum
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 21, 2017, 01:52:37 AM
Jesus!!! I like jagielka but if that's he's conditioning then he's stealing a wage off of us. Should be utterly ashamed of himself. He's probably fatter than a fair percentage of this forum

Youve clearly not read the appearance thread on the General Forum.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 21, 2017, 01:57:39 AM
People do know that when you have a strong core (IE abs) that the muscles actually come away from the body?

Him and Williams are both fit as can be.
Youve clearly not read the appearance thread on the General Forum.

I'm gonna have a look now. Just always assumed this place was packed full of hunks
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Realist on September 21, 2017, 02:25:42 AM
The lads played under three managers at Everton
Under three maybe four managers at England

I'm not defending his ability I'm merely saying if he was fat surely someone would have pulled him and said sort it

There's a huge complex about he people look, not every player will be built like Ronaldo, nor should they be

Maybe he's only just got fat?
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 21, 2017, 02:31:27 AM
Maybe he's only just got fat?
Read back through the thread
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Jamokachi on September 21, 2017, 04:36:19 AM
Williams is equally embarrassing this season as well.

Against Split...

(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11061626.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Europa-League-Playoffs-HNK-Hajduk-Split-vs-Everton.jpg)

There are plenty of other pictures to show you're talking rubbish too.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 21, 2017, 06:33:35 PM
FAT CUNT

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKPhsgUWAAALnnQ.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Jamokachi on September 21, 2017, 07:04:23 PM
LET THEM EAT CAKE
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 21, 2017, 07:30:52 PM
It's only a positive thing if Mason genuinely looks up to Ashley, he was a very good player for several years and his unfortunately common blunders trying to play our system somewhat betray his limited talent. Holgate and Williams could do with splitting their respective beefy to lean difference 50/50.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Bally on September 21, 2017, 08:27:42 PM
FAT CUNT

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKPhsgUWAAALnnQ.jpg:large)
Yeah I was gonna do something very similar when I RT but forgot after a phone call
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Bluedylan on September 21, 2017, 09:05:01 PM
So if we can't blame his piss poor play on his weight, what can we blame it on?
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: gizzblue on September 21, 2017, 09:07:34 PM
So if we can't blame his piss poor play on his weight, what can we blame it on?
I'm by no way his biggest fan but he was better last night. ...after his debacle of  performance at the Mancs ....still only a stop gap to a better player hopefully.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Lxxx on September 21, 2017, 09:10:52 PM
He gets turned far too easily and players leave him for dead. Harry Kane, he of very average pace, burned away from him.
He might have a six pack but his general speed is shocking for someone only just in his 30's.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Jamokachi on September 21, 2017, 10:09:45 PM
He gets turned far too easily and players leave him for dead. Harry Kane, he of very average pace, burned away from him.
He might have a six pack but his general speed is shocking for someone only just in his 30's.

must be the "embarrassing" shape he's in eh?
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: bacon sarnie on September 22, 2017, 09:13:44 PM
No problem at Spurs...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/22/mauricio-pochettino-blend-tottenham-spurs-manager-team-spirit
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on September 22, 2017, 09:14:48 PM
Not the most flattering picture of Jagielka that but do you honestly ever watch him and think he looks unfit?

Can't say I do to be honest.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: blueToffee on September 22, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
He gets turned far too easily and players leave him for dead. Harry Kane, he of very average pace, burned away from him.
He might have a six pack but his general speed is shocking for someone only just in his 30's.

While it absolutely helps to have the recovery pace, and I'd prefer all our defenders to have it, it shouldn't be the be all and end all of it. He should be positionally smart enough to not get himself in that predicament.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: ally2 on September 23, 2017, 12:16:00 AM
While it absolutely helps to have the recovery pace, and I'd prefer all our defenders to have it, it shouldn't be the be all and end all of it. He should be positionally smart enough to not get himself in that predicament.

Ah yes that old chestnut!  He does weirdly seen to be fit I'll grant that. Just think he should be a stone less.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: Lxxx on September 23, 2017, 02:34:10 AM
While it absolutely helps to have the recovery pace, and I'd prefer all our defenders to have it, it shouldn't be the be all and end all of it. He should be positionally smart enough to not get himself in that predicament.

I agree. He tries to get touch tight too often and gets caught out for it. Not the brightest or the quickest.
Title: Re: Is Our Current Fitness Really All That?
Post by: blueski on September 23, 2017, 02:39:03 AM
I think we all know that fitness and pace might be related but they aren't identical - being ideal weight helps your pace but losing a couple stone won't get you on par with Usain Bolt

Also recovery pace is all that

At least if we want to play quality football instead of sitting with 10 behind the ball and hitting teams on the break