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Title: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Everton News on September 29, 2017, 11:03:31 PM
Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy

Everton's Dutch international Davy Klaassen says he needs to improve his game and admits he has struggled to adapt to the Premier League so far.

Source: Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/09/klaassen-adapting-english-game-not-easy/)
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Realist on September 30, 2017, 01:22:26 AM
We know Davy, in your defence the jump from the Dutch league to the prem is similar to going from Sunday league to the prem
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on September 30, 2017, 01:33:37 AM
I am encouraged by his statement. Although players from other countries might say they know about the premier league and what it is like, most if not all do not know until they play in it. A very few will start like a house on fire, but they are the great players. The Shite had one until he bit one player too many. Others adapt and eventually catch up, others fall by the wayside. I really hope Klassen will catch on, if not this season, then next. Koeman knows what the Dutch league consists of. It has happened this way because of other crucial failings in recruitment, and Klassen is consequently in at the deep end up to his neck and struggling; maybe 6 months too early for him.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Martip on September 30, 2017, 01:43:37 AM
Less talk more goals please davey
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on October 17, 2017, 04:41:14 PM
Decent article

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11084471/davy-klaassen-at-everton-where-has-it-all-gone-wrong
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ally2 on October 17, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
I don't know why but I have zero doubt that Klaasen and Sandro are both going to be top drawer for us. It's impossible to come to any conclusions at this stage so some patience is required.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 17, 2017, 05:14:37 PM
Another one who is being played out of position. He's not a Number !0 - he's a box to box midfielder.

Not been impressed at all by him so far, but it took Bergkamp a long time to settle, and plenty of others... so not actually that worried about him. Could def still come good.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
We know Davy, in your defence the jump from the Dutch league to the prem is similar to going from Sunday league to the prem

Bit of an over exaggeration there mate don't you think.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lazarou on October 17, 2017, 06:13:41 PM
No point buying a player who has done well in a specific position/role then not playing him in that position/role. It's just shit management all round not just for him but many of the players.

DCL was wide left on Sunday ffs, it's just bad management.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on October 17, 2017, 06:39:56 PM
Less talk more goals please davey

Are you motivational speaker?
Another one who is being played out of position. He's not a Number !0 - he's a box to box midfielder.

Not been impressed at all by him so far, but it took Bergkamp a long time to settle, and plenty of others... so not actually that worried about him. Could def still come good.

Bingo! Play him alongside MS or IGG, not both together.

Another tactical failing from our Master Technician.

Also, isn't it worth giving Sandro a shot on the left of a 3 man attack, with Lookman/Vlasic or Mirallas on the right?

Argh, getting wound up here. Bloody Koeman.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 17, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
I don't know why but I have zero doubt that Klaasen and Sandro are both going to be top drawer for us. It's impossible to come to any conclusions at this stage so some patience is required.
I agree, i dont understand why they're not in the U23 team. give them some game time/confidence and experience in england,
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 17, 2017, 06:47:50 PM
I agree, i dont understand why they're not in the U23 team. give them some game time/confidence and experience in england,

Are you for real?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 17, 2017, 06:49:45 PM
Are you for real?

as opposed to what? sticking him the first team while he has no confidence, he hasnt got to terms with the pace.. he needs to adapt.. what better way than in a situation where the pressure if off him?

are you for real?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on October 17, 2017, 06:57:46 PM
Another one who is being played out of position. He's not a Number !0 - he's a box to box midfielder.

Not been impressed at all by him so far, but it took Bergkamp a long time to settle, and plenty of others... so not actually that worried about him. Could def still come good.

Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?

I agree he hasnt looked great so far but it was too much too soon I think, Im not confident that he will get the chance to come good if im honest, the Premiership waits for no man and its about taking your chances and hes slipping further down the pecking order.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on October 17, 2017, 07:09:13 PM
Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?

I agree he hasnt looked great so far but it was too much too soon I think, Im not confident that he will get the chance to come good if im honest, the Premiership waits for no man and its about taking your chances and hes slipping further down the pecking order.

No, he was a midfielder for Ajax.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on October 17, 2017, 07:12:02 PM
Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?

I agree he hasnt looked great so far but it was too much too soon I think, Im not confident that he will get the chance to come good if im honest, the Premiership waits for no man and its about taking your chances and hes slipping further down the pecking order.

I believe he played as like a...quiet 8.

He had Dolberg CF and I think maybe Ziyech as a 10 or at least drifted in.

Typically didn't touch the ball a great deal, similar story for holland, but he does pop in and apply a finishing touch or get an assist.

Basically think of gueyes goal, he was like that from what I've heard. Very busy off the ball, harassing and tackling. Doesn't run the game but puts up very good numbers in and around the box.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: van der Meyde on October 17, 2017, 07:19:39 PM
Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?
He was a bit of a jack of all trades at Ajax. Not many people who watched him over the last couple of years would have described him as a creative player/playmaker though.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 17, 2017, 07:21:00 PM
Also, isn't it worth giving Sandro a shot on the left of a 3 man attack, with Lookman/Vlasic or Mirallas on the right?

Funnily enough I was thinking exactly that when I ate my lunch just now.

Going a bit off topic here, but I don't like Rooney, DCL or Sigurddson being played out wide.  I also don't think Rooney has got the pace to be a number 9 anymore.

So for me - we should be playing DCL or Niasse as the centre forward.

If we are playing 3 upfront we do what you have suggested - ie play wide players in the wide positions.
Or we play one upfront with one of our natural number 10s behind - ie Rooney or Sigurddson .

Then in midfield if we are playing 3, then one of them should be Davies or Klassen as the box to box midfielder. (Or maybe both of them if we really need to go for it ? )
If we are playing 2 in centre midfield, then one of them can do the same job.... or IMO Gana and Morgan could actually work well together as a 2 if the rest of the side is more balanced, like last season.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on October 17, 2017, 08:02:32 PM
Funnily enough I was thinking exactly that when I ate my lunch just now.

Going a bit off topic here, but I don't like Rooney, DCL or Sigurddson being played out wide.  I also don't think Rooney has got the pace to be a number 9 anymore.

So for me - we should be playing DCL or Niasse as the centre forward.

If we are playing 3 upfront we do what you have suggested - ie play wide players in the wide positions.
Or we play one upfront with one of our natural number 10s behind - ie Rooney or Sigurddson .

Then in midfield if we are playing 3, then one of them should be Davies or Klassen as the box to box midfielder. (Or maybe both of them if we really need to go for it ? )
If we are playing 2 in centre midfield, then one of them can do the same job.... or IMO Gana and Morgan could actually work well together as a 2 if the rest of the side is more balanced, like last season.

I agree 100%. It's even more annoying as this is the formation (or a variation of the formation) Koeman used as Southampton. It's all the more galling when you know we do have the players to play that way, yet he won't change it from his slow, narrow formation we stick too now.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 17, 2017, 08:31:26 PM
I agree 100%. It's even more annoying as this is the formation (or a variation of the formation) Koeman used as Southampton. It's all the more galling when you know we do have the players to play that way, yet he won't change it from his slow, narrow formation we stick too now.

I think we do try and play that way but we don't have the players who feel comfortable in those positions. It's either poor recruitment to buy players who don't fit the system or poor management to not play a system to suit the players we have. To try and flog an unworkable system with players who don't look comfortable is just very, very poor management.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 17, 2017, 08:37:40 PM
Clubs like us can't afford top world players so we have to dip into the pool of lesser foreign players and take a chance. That is where the "skills/knowhow" of Walsh is supposed to come into play. The fact that Klassen is currently useless in our present situation, indicates it is a risky business. Klassen given time may turn out to be an adequate squad player and eventually justify most of the big fee paid for him. Ajax like Swansea later, held all the cards and we paid the asking price. Looking around the lower regions of the PL, probably there are many players of Klassen's level who struggle to survive if pitched straight in over their heads. The euphoria on this site when Klassen was signed was probably because coming from a big name like Ajax, he must be good, but sadly he isn't. If the other fella Sandro ever turns into a decent player that would be a major coup for Walsh considering he cost so little.  The jury is still out on both.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 17, 2017, 09:19:43 PM
as opposed to what? sticking him the first team while he has no confidence, he hasnt got to terms with the pace.. he needs to adapt.. what better way than in a situation where the pressure if off him?

are you for real?

Get a player ready for the Premier League by playing him against opponents that are a mixture of kids and players not good enough for their first team.

Laughable shout.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 17, 2017, 09:24:25 PM
The issue he'll have (and it's one that won't be going away anytime soon) is we have too many players in his position. He might well have proven to be a good buy, if we actually needed him. He's battling Davies, Sig, Rooney and now it looks like Vlasic for a place and that's not even taking into account Schneiderlin and Gueye, if he's thought of as being able to play further back.
Needless signing really. £25m that could easily have been put towards a striker.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 17, 2017, 09:45:57 PM
Just got back from Amsterdam, went to Ajax game and they bloody love Klaasen, selling scarves with his face on in the store and everything.

He must be at least half decent.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on October 17, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Clubs like us can't afford top world players so we have to dip into the pool of lesser foreign players and take a chance. That is where the "skills/knowhow" of Walsh is supposed to come into play. The fact that Klassen is currently useless in our present situation, indicates it is a risky business. Klassen given time may turn out to be an adequate squad player and eventually justify most of the big fee paid for him. Ajax like Swansea later, held all the cards and we paid the asking price. Looking around the lower regions of the PL, probably there are many players of Klassen's level who struggle to survive if pitched straight in over their heads. The euphoria on this site when Klassen was signed was probably because coming from a big name like Ajax, he must be good, but sadly he isn't. If the other fella Sandro ever turns into a decent player that would be a major coup for Walsh considering he cost so little.  The jury is still out on both.
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I think the jury, based on comments on here...have debated, returned and sentenced him....

Speaking from experience the difference in styles of play, tempo and even game management between English and not just dutch football is massive..i did it in reverse to klassen and TBH I thought it'd be a doddle going from our fast pace, aggressive style of English football to the more technical slow paced dutch game of the 80's...how wrong I was and for about 6 months I struggled like a C**t even me mates were taking the piss.....couldn't get near the ball for ages and when I got it had so much time and space didn't know what to do with it....then you're closed down quickly and options become limited.....

I think he is good enough to adapt and will come good....and like already mentioned on here the ,managers style and selections are not helping not only him..but other players too...
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 17, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Everyone especially Walsh will hope you are right. His time may come but perhaps not yet.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on October 18, 2017, 01:57:16 AM
Would you class vlasic as a No 10 as well?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 18, 2017, 01:59:57 AM
Would you class vlasic as a No 10 as well?
No
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on October 18, 2017, 02:03:01 AM
Funnily enough I was thinking exactly that when I ate my lunch just now.

Going a bit off topic here, but I don't like Rooney, DCL or Sigurddson being played out wide.  I also don't think Rooney has got the pace to be a number 9 anymore.

So for me - we should be playing DCL or Niasse as the centre forward.

If we are playing 3 upfront we do what you have suggested - ie play wide players in the wide positions.
Or we play one upfront with one of our natural number 10s behind - ie Rooney or Sigurddson .

Then in midfield if we are playing 3, then one of them should be Davies or Klassen as the box to box midfielder. (Or maybe both of them if we really need to go for it ? )
If we are playing 2 in centre midfield, then one of them can do the same job.... or IMO Gana and Morgan could actually work well together as a 2 if the rest of the side is more balanced, like last season.

Yup like it, feel a similar way.

Last time I watched Sandro he was alright as wel and I really warmed to him, then haven't seen him since.

Mad the way bringing Davies into the side last year provided balance and yet this year he's catching splinters.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Realist on October 19, 2017, 11:34:52 PM
Bit of an over exaggeration there mate don't you think.

Nope
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Realist on October 19, 2017, 11:35:18 PM
Are you for real?

Yep
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 12:16:19 AM
Hope he starts tonight
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blue slug on October 20, 2017, 02:04:55 AM
How good was the Dutch league when players like gullitt van basten rykaard bergkamp and kluivert etc played
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueMaquis on October 20, 2017, 02:05:26 AM
Since tonight is not an English game does that mean Klaassen will be good tonight?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on October 20, 2017, 05:21:05 AM
Hard not to think he'll be back at Holland in a year.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:25:16 AM
Thought he was really bad tonight. A couple of 50/50 challenges he shit out of and everyone around me erupted. He was also very sloppy with the ball.

Struggling to see what he offers in this league at the minute. Happy to be proved wrong but looks a bit weak mentally as well as physically.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 20, 2017, 05:25:28 AM
For about 9m if we're lucky
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 05:25:48 AM
Hard not to think he'll be back at Holland in a year.
He won't be the last either
They never seem to fully recover tho that's the sad part
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on October 20, 2017, 05:28:05 AM
He's rather insipid, isn't he.

Ghosts around, not much to him, apart from the odd clever flick from what I've seen.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 05:33:06 AM
Moshiri is loaded so just quietly move Klassen back to Holland at a loss. He will be forgotten in one year.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:34:15 AM
Moshiri is loaded so just quietly move Klassen back to Holland at a loss. He will be forgotten in one year.

What a silly statement.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 05:34:30 AM
Moshiri is loaded so just quietly move Klassen back to Holland at a loss. He will be forgotten in one year.
He isnt tho
He's loaded compared to me
He's fucking skint compared to many owners
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 05:36:02 AM
You must be worse than silly if you think Klassen is worth persevering with. After Koeman goes next week the next manager will bin Klassen toute suite as the Russians say.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: toffee_scot on October 20, 2017, 05:41:43 AM
The fact he was subbed off again in a Europa League tie quite early suggests it will be very difficult for him to find playing time again for Everton especially during this horrendous spell we are going through.

I wouldn't write him off though, there is a good player there but he will need to go out on loan to build his confidence in a league that is sort of half way between Premier League and Eredivisie standard.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 05:44:44 AM
Tranmere?  or if that is too hard maybe Southport. Probably too physical though for his dainty style.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:54:27 AM
Very weak, as a lot of foreign players are in the first six months. Poor signing though. Totally unnecessary.
Title: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: arteta4spain on October 20, 2017, 06:37:09 AM
Wasn't great at all tonight tho I don't think a lot of them were. I don't buy this "he's got good game intelligence and he's ahead of everyone and they're behind his decision making". Absolute bollocks. It does baffle me how a player can be great for one team but be horrific for another. He reminds me of Naismith when he first arrived. Rabbit in headlights etc. But he was often caught out too many times. It was like Lyon were tight to our players from the get go and we couldn't find the space.
He was finding some decent touches towards the end of the first half but he just doesn't seem good enough.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on October 20, 2017, 02:31:03 PM
I still think he will come good; perfect storm of a total loss of confidence alongside a boss who is clueless as to how to set the team up tactically.

Same for Sandro.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Morta75 on October 20, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
Sorry to say it, but Klaassen is not good enough, simple as that. Not premier Leauge quality.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 02:34:00 PM
We don't play him in the right position but he surely has to offer more as a midfielder. He is just a ghost at the moment. Does absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 02:53:32 PM
Was getting shoved off the ball all night. People were saying in Europe he'll show his quality because it's not as physical or fast but he didn't, Lyon were a good team and he offered nothing.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2017, 02:55:54 PM
We don't play him in the right position but he surely has to offer more as a midfielder. He is just a ghost at the moment. Does absolutely nothing.

Ive seen him play centre mid and as a number 10, where is his best position then, on the wing or as a holding midfielder!!? All this were not playing him in his best position holds little water with me, if I played him centre back I would still expect him to be able to pass and not get blown off the ball like a rag doll in the wind, he needs to adapt to the situation hes in and he isnt at the moment.
Better players than Klasseen have failed and transfers are always a gamble, some work, some dont, all the indications are the latter with this one but there is still time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 02:58:15 PM
Can't really defend him after that last night, looks way out of his depth
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 03:08:09 PM
As does Sandro; Keane is not playing like an international (the other two CB's at Burnley look better); Martina is a stop-gap; Sigurdsson is carrying the £45m weight on his shoulders; Pickford and Vlasic justified and first names on the team sheet; Rooney - remember the name
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 03:11:37 PM
Ive seen him play centre mid and as a number 10, where is his best position then, on the wing or as a holding midfielder!!? All this were not playing him in his best position holds little water with me, if I played him centre back I would still expect him to be able to pass and not get blown off the ball like a rag doll in the wind, he needs to adapt to the situation hes in and he isnt at the moment.
Better players than Klasseen have failed and transfers are always a gamble, some work, some dont, all the indications are the latter with this one but there is still time.

I was just pointing out that if you buy a player who has had a good season playing in a particular way which I would have hoped we would have researched then the logical decision would be to play him in that position. To buy him and not really have a role for him is just pointless.

The early season messing around seems to have ruined him already. I was not excusing his ineffective performances far from it, I think even things are not coming off for you, you can still make a impact in other ways especially in midfield.

He looks way out of his depth, physically and mentally.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 20, 2017, 03:12:15 PM
Going to be another Bilyaletdinov I reckon.

Some write him off, others claim he'll come good if played in X position.

The first lot are correct and he gets fucked off in a couple of years time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 20, 2017, 03:29:14 PM
Iím gonna give him a whole season before I write him off completely.

Is there anyone at Ajax we could swap* him for who might actually perform?

*yes swaps are few and far between but......
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 03:33:05 PM
Ajax would be delighted to have him come home and make a fat profit with it. That would not be so bad an outcome. He saves his career and we can stop pretending he is what he clearly isn't. I suspect Koeman wanted him which is a bad sign of his judgement considering he knows Dutch football backwards..
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Koeman has not been afraid to leave Klaassen out or bring him off at half-time

Don't think Koeman's convinced - or that he ever was
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 03:54:02 PM
Koeman was always stressing about how big the jump was from the Dutch league to the Premier League and how you have to be really careful in picking which players will work and which won't.
With Pelle he obviously thought the fact he's a big unit with a good touch would help that transition but with Klaassan nothing he did for Ajax stood out as what we may need. He always looked a player on the fringes of games who would pop up with a goal or an assist after 90 minutes, which is clearly a nice attribute to have but is very reliant on others around you and not your own individual qualities.

He's suffering, as they all are, for playing in a side devoid of structure, confidence and quality throughout.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ross on October 20, 2017, 04:00:33 PM
No point making any judgement calls on him or any of our new signings until we get a proper manager in charge with a concise plan that revolves around modern football methodology.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Rhys on October 20, 2017, 04:05:30 PM
Hard not to think he'll be back at Holland in a year.

Problem is he was Ajax captain and one of their star men, he earned 20k a week. Comes here and gets put on 80k a week it's hard to see any player willing to drop 2-3m a year wages. Kind of situation and could be same with Sandro if he doesnt come good, that City and chelsea got into loads where gave people huge wages compared to their level and have to loan them out for years because people wont pay it and they dont want to take a big drop. Or we pay some of their wages for xxx number of years.

I still believe you'd see more of what he can do and get more from him if you had a good forward that retains possession well and helps with good football around the box because that looks his game sharp passes in tight areas and judging by his record getting in the box to be a goalscoring midfielder. So many times in the Arsenal game last night you had people like Walcott and Wilshere getting involved on the edge of the area with Giroud that we just dont have. But at the same time my problem with him is my problem with Besic, he vanishes for huge spells of games which in centre midfield you cant have.

Gueye isnt great on the ball, Schneiderlin isnt doing the defensive part well and sharpness on the ball lost, and Davies is giving the ball away and getting caught in possession a lot more than he was. But they are always involved, always looking to get on the ball and people criticise if they do things wrong. Too often 10-15 minutes can pass and Klaassen doesnt do anything which just cant do in centre midfield.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ajax_andy on October 20, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
I thought he tried hard last night, once he gave it away a few times his head kind of dropped for a bit but then he was chasing players, getting back, trying to do the dirty side of the game... only thing is that he is at absolute rock bottom with his confidence and Koeman doesn't seem like the kind of manager who helps players out of a slump, he just doesn't have the man management skills... case in point being hauling Klaassen off at half time which will just cripple his confidence further.

While he was trying hard to get back in the game, I can't remember who is was but we had the ball on the right side of the box (just inside it)... probably Vlasic but might have been Holgate... anyway on the replay you see Klaassen take up an unmarked position 18 yards out, centre of the goal, hands outstretched screaming for it... Vlasic or Holgate completely unaware of him and has a shot that's blocked by the defender and goes out for a corner (pretty sure it was Holgate).  So even when he gets in a 'Klaassen' position the other players don't see him.  Holgate pulling it back there and him smashing it in could completely change his confidence levels.

I feel for him, I really do... All my dutch Ajax supporting relatives said he wasn't ready for the PL when we signed him but I really think the manager and our players aren't doing him any favours what so ever.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Martip on October 22, 2017, 02:00:40 AM
Proper low roller this guy....such a waste of air.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 30, 2017, 12:26:06 AM
Not even made the squad for the 2 games Unsworth has had in charge.

Is there an injury or is he still just miles off from being a Premier League player?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Polledreng on October 30, 2017, 12:30:16 AM
Not even made the squad for the 2 games Unsworth has had in charge.

Is there an injury or is he still just miles off from being a Premier League player?
to be fair I Think Unsworth is trying to prove a point with dropping all ourbig money buys exept Pickford and playing the youngsters instead. Without succes if you ask me. Why isnít our Croatien not in the squad when he clearly was our Best player in Koeman last 3 games. ?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 30, 2017, 12:31:59 AM
to be fair I Think Unsworth is trying to prove a point with dropping all ourbig money buys exept Pickford and playing the youngsters instead. Without succes if you ask me. Why isnít our Croatien not in the squad when he clearly was our Best player in Koeman last 3 games. ?

Oh yeah, forgot about him actually
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: DanDan on October 30, 2017, 12:33:08 AM
Oh yeah, forgot about him actually

There was talk he got injured in the Arsenal game
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 10, 2017, 02:06:56 PM
There was talk he got injured in the Arsenal game

Wasn't even in the squad for the Dutch game against Scotland, so this might be right.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 10, 2017, 03:56:50 PM
Wasn't even in the squad for the Dutch game against Scotland, so this might be right.

Think they was on about Vlasic mate
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 10, 2017, 04:05:27 PM
Think they was on about Vlasic mate

Why ? This is a Klaassen thread.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ally2 on November 10, 2017, 04:55:48 PM
Yeah he wasn't in the Dutch squad either.

I hate that some have given up on him. I still think he sees and does things others don't. And I hate that his career has suffered here. It reflects badly on us. And all because he doesn't run around a lot.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 10, 2017, 05:35:38 PM
Yeah he wasn't in the Dutch squad either.

I hate that some have given up on him. I still think he sees and does things others don't. And I hate that his career has suffered here. It reflects badly on us. And all because he doesn't run around a lot.

What rubbish, he's struggled because the game here is vastly different to what he is used to. It's nothing to do with the fact he doesn't run around a lot, however the change in what is expected here may be one of the reasons. He's 10 stone wet through and has no attributes that would make the transition easy. He's a luxury player in a free flowing team and that's not us. At the minute. 
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 10, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
Yeah he wasn't in the Dutch squad either.

I hate that some have given up on him. I still think he sees and does things others don't. And I hate that his career has suffered here. It reflects badly on us. And all because he doesn't run around a lot.

What a load of shite.

What have you seen to suggest the reason people don't like him as a player is because he doesn't run around that much?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 06:04:15 PM
What a load of shite.

What have you seen to suggest the reason people don't like him as a player is because he doesn't run around that much?

That article in the Echo I'm guessing because it can't be based of anything he's done since joining us.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 06:04:44 PM
What a load of shite.

What have you seen to suggest the reason people don't like him as a player is because he doesn't run around that much?

Whoops, wrong reply
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 10, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
I'm hoping that he still makes it. He's been a class act in the way he's handled himself and managed a very difficult situation.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 10, 2017, 06:52:54 PM
Why ? This is a Klaassen thread.

Think things move away from the topic at hand from time to time, as it does on most forums. Have a look at the 100+ page Sandro thread. If every post in there was about Sandro then I'm Robert De Niro
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: hill135 on November 10, 2017, 06:57:42 PM
Running around a lot is about the only thing he does do.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 10, 2017, 07:18:16 PM
Running around a lot is about the only thing he does do.

To be fair he doesn't do enough of that to be a help to the team at the minute. Jogging in between players while the ball flies past him doesn't assist us really and when he does get the ball he does a very good James McCarthy impression of not wanting it and gets rid in case he's caught in possession. I get he's low on confidence and he's come into a difficult situation but we shouldn't really be a respecter of reputations at present, if a couple of teenagers offer more in the centre of the park then they should play ahead of him. Sink or swim time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueForYou on November 10, 2017, 07:25:02 PM
180 mins in the Europa League for Davy
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: cantoffee on November 10, 2017, 07:42:29 PM
Players need time to adapt. I'm not sure his attributes are well suited to the league but we should be giving him time to adjust. In a team full of confidence he might be a completely different player.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 08:41:54 PM
I'm not having this "He's 2 steps ahead of the rest of the team".

Think it's absolute bollocks personally.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on November 10, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
I'm not having this "He's 2 steps ahead of the rest of the team".

Think it's absolute bollocks personally.

Who's said this.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 09:32:46 PM
Who's said this.

The Echo and someone a few posts back
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
180 mins in the Europa League for Davy
If Rhino has anything about him he will play Klassen Sandro Vlasic and anyone else who's been pushed out to shoehorn his faves and kids into the squad .
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 10, 2017, 10:40:37 PM
If Rhino has anything about him he will play Klassen Sandro Vlasic and anyone else who's been pushed out to shoehorn his faves and kids into the squad .

Why?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 10:45:59 PM
Why?
They need minutes to and it's a free match ...simple really.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 10, 2017, 10:46:27 PM
If Rhino has anything about him he will play Klassen Sandro Vlasic and anyone else who's been pushed out to shoehorn his faves and kids into the squad .
Rest everyone who played in the pl game before and will play on pl game after and play the rest of them
Squads plenty big enough well, bar a left back
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 10:47:20 PM
Rest everyone who played in the pl game before and will play on pl game after and play the rest of them
Squads plenty big enough well, bar a left back
Exactly Jimmy exactly.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2017, 03:08:52 AM
I'm not having this "He's 2 steps ahead of the rest of the team".

Think it's absolute bollocks personally.

Think it is aswell. When he plays for Holland thatís Ajax heís the same. I think heís a good player but heís supposed to be a really good, bit part player on the pitch who scores goals.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ally2 on November 11, 2017, 04:36:25 AM
He's played what 5 games for us?  OK he's been off the pace but he's clearly a gifted technical player.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 11, 2017, 03:10:46 PM
He's played what 5 games for us?  OK he's been off the pace but he's clearly a gifted technical player.

Haven't seen anything to say he's technically gifted.

If anything he's limited technically and his game seems to be all about arriving in the box and scoring goals
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blue1948 on November 11, 2017, 07:25:19 PM
Haven't seen anything to say he's technically gifted.

If anything he's limited technically and his game seems to be all about arriving in the box and scoring goals
Compared with let's say Oumar ?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 11, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
He's played what 5 games for us?  OK he's been off the pace but he's clearly a gifted technical player.

Not sure what observations these are based on like.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 11, 2017, 08:50:44 PM
Not sure about technically gifted but I think he's a clever footballer. Passes and moves. Links play sees things apparently scores goals. Like a shit frank lampard

What worries me is that while everyone has been shit some have been completely dropped from the 18 while others continue to keep their places. Id like to see him and sandro get more chances now.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 11, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
The hope is we regain some sort of form and can start integrating Klassen and Sandro back into the team. Theyíre both hard workers but theyíve looked so off the pace no one can complain that theyíve been dropped. The frustrating thing is if we were to sell them, you can guarantee theyíd pick up where they left off before they joined us and weíd all be wondering what might have been.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 11, 2017, 10:08:32 PM
Not sure about technically gifted but I think he's a clever footballer. Passes and moves. Links play sees things apparently scores goals. Like a shit frank lampard

What worries me is that while everyone has been shit some have been completely dropped from the 18 while others continue to keep their places. Id like to see him and sandro get more chances now.
I would play both in the remaining meaningless European games along with any other reserves we can put out to lessen the strain on the main squad. Otherwise I would not let either near the present squad, we have enough problems without adding to them. Of course if those two wipe the floor with Atalanta and the Cypriots etc then maybe give them a chance next month.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 11, 2017, 10:38:46 PM
The hope is we regain some sort of form and can start integrating Klassen and Sandro back into the team. Theyíre both hard workers but theyíve looked so off the pace no one can complain that theyíve been dropped. The frustrating thing is if we were to sell them, you can guarantee theyíd pick up where they left off before they joined us and weíd all be wondering what might have been.

I think it's a bit odd that that don't seem to be able to make any of the 18s now. We aren't blessed with great options or many in form players. Why totally exclude them
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 11, 2017, 10:44:43 PM
Why totally exclude them

Because they look even worse than the other options at this moment in time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 11, 2017, 11:05:26 PM
Because they look even worse than the other options at this moment in time.

But surely we'd hope they've room for vast improvement. I can't believe sandro isn't at least as good an option as DCL and niasse if he finds a little form. Just not sure how he can find it when he can't even make a bench now

Same with klassen has he really been that much worse than Sigurdsson. Surely we could give him 20 minutes for Sigurdsson and see if he can play himself into some form.

We are poor. I'd sooner risk these players in worse form who might have higher ceilings
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Shogun on November 11, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
Some good fixtures coming up for him and Sandro in the next month.

Atalanta at home
West Ham at home
Huddersfield at home
Apollo away

There's been plenty of premier league players who took some time to get going.

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 11, 2017, 11:39:28 PM
A new manager might just try them and we may or may not suffer the consequences. It doesn't look good for them but who knows? Different manager different tactics may be the salvation of one of these two if not both.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 11, 2017, 11:58:27 PM
Some good fixtures coming up for him and Sandro in the next month.

Atalanta at home
West Ham at home
Huddersfield at home
Apollo away

There's been plenty of premier league players who took some time to get going.

i'd actually think they would do better getting to grips with the pace of english football by spending sometime in the premier league b setup, once they get confidence/flowing.. bring them back, but you cant expect them to get any sort of confidence or cohesion with players they wont be playing with week in week out,if they both spend around 6 weeks in the reserves their quality should shine through and bring their confidence up a few levels,
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2017, 12:00:27 AM
i'd actually think they would do better getting to grips with the pace of english football by spending sometime in the premier league b setup, once they get confidence/flowing.. bring them back, but you cant expect them to get any sort of confidence or cohesion with players they wont be playing with week in week out,if they both spend around 6 weeks in the reserves their quality should shine through and bring their confidence up a few levels,

It's good for them to get minutes under their belt but I'm not sure U23 footy will do anything more to help them get up to pace of the PL.

Probably a better idea for Sandro than Klaassen. He's got plenty of attributes, he just seems rusty and massively lacking in confidence with the first team.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 12, 2017, 12:02:31 AM
It's good for them to get minutes under their belt but I'm not sure U23 footy will do anything more to help them get up to pace of the PL.

Probably a better idea for Sandro than Klaassen. He's got plenty of attributes, he just seems rusty and massively lacking in confidence with the first team.

He/they should get that confidence playing against weaker opposition, i'm just afraid if we play them in the games you mentioned,, it would knock them back even further ;/

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2017, 10:35:52 PM
Duplicate.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2017, 10:37:37 PM
He/they should get that confidence playing against weaker opposition, i'm just afraid if we play them in the games you mentioned,, it would knock them back even further ;/



Having a kick about with a load of kids in front of 50 people isn't really getting them up to speed with the pace of Premier League football.

If we give them a chance in the first team and they bomb again then so be it. We don't owe them a living, they either get up to speed and prove themselves or they go somewhere else.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 13, 2017, 12:11:08 AM
Having a kick about with a load of kids in front of 50 people isn't really getting them up to speed with the pace of Premier League football.

An improvement on his previous suggestion of getting them up to PL levels by playing them in the U23s indefinitely tbf.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 12:37:08 AM
How was he?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 25, 2017, 12:40:28 AM
How was he?

Shite
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 25, 2017, 12:40:39 AM
How was he?
Not sure he played tbh
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 25, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Never going to make it here in a million years.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 01:08:31 AM
Fuckin hell the poor lad has truly bombed hasnít he.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Brownie on November 25, 2017, 01:16:12 AM
Few nice early passes and put a few tackles in. But the game passed him by after about 30 mins.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 25, 2017, 01:17:31 AM
He was no worse than anyone else tbh and was playing out of position
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: toffee_scot on November 25, 2017, 01:20:00 AM
I had really hoped that he would be a star at Everton but I don't think he's the right player for the club and we need to trim the squad in certain areas, if another club came in with a £20m offer or so I think we would be mad not to accept it.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: bluenuck on November 25, 2017, 01:35:47 AM
I think he's just a good player that has made the wrong move at the wrong time.

He played in a system at Ajax that made every player look even better than they actually were. They were dynamic, moved, short quick passes, made runs, and were well drilled and knew every move every player was going to make.

Then he came here....
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 25, 2017, 01:43:24 AM
I think in a good team he'd shine but he's never gonna get a poor team out the shit. He's got a great touch but needs better players around him...physically he's light but he's a good footballer I reckon
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on November 25, 2017, 01:45:27 AM
Didn't seem to know where he was meant to be playing, either that or he was just trying to impress and ended up here, there and everywhere without actually getting anywhere.

To be fair he did carry Martina around for large parts of the game.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on November 25, 2017, 01:52:51 AM
Canít believe anyone thought 4-4-2 with a left side of Martina and Klaassen was ever going to be good...
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on November 25, 2017, 01:59:43 AM
I think he's just a good player that has made the wrong move at the wrong time.

He played in a system at Ajax that made every player look even better than they actually were. They were dynamic, moved, short quick passes, made runs, and were well drilled and knew every move every player was going to make.

Then he came here....
One thing we are not is dynamic. Diabolical yes.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on November 25, 2017, 02:00:14 AM
The lad has no chance of shining right now. That's not on him
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 02:02:31 AM
Canít believe anyone thought 4-4-2 with a left side of Martina and Klaassen was ever going to be good...

Oh my god is that how we lined up?

Is unsworth trying to intentionally not only not get the Everton job but not get any job in the future?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blueToffee on November 25, 2017, 02:03:03 AM
We'll have to wait and see whether a different approach by another manager will help him, given up trying to assess him right now. The problem is for me the only other time I've seen him play was the EL final versus Man Utd and he was anonymous then too. I'd feel a bit more confident had I seen more of him.

I do think he'd be better getting in and around the box though. I do think he can finish.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on November 25, 2017, 02:33:16 AM
Oh my god is that how we lined up?

Is unsworth trying to intentionally not only not get the Everton job but not get any job in the future?

Unsworth disappointing me saying things like lads making his job easier with performances last night. Some of those players have had far less time to impress than players Unsworth and people to that Koeman persist with no matter how shite they play.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 25, 2017, 02:38:04 AM
Yeah, worth pointing out he started on the left.

I reckon in a team that plays how he likes to play he can be a very good player.

Unfortunately he's playing in a team that create two chances a game and one that can't pass the ball so he has no chance.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on November 25, 2017, 02:40:56 AM
Yeah I donít think his game is based on constant involvement; so if the team is rubbish itís very hard to build up possession and positions that will enable him to get up around and in the box.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 25, 2017, 02:42:00 AM
He just ainít very good. If you need to be playing with players who are at the top of their game, against poor opposition and to always be playing with confidence to play your game then youíre no baller.

Youíve got to have some individual attributes to make it at the top level and not have to rely on everyone else around you to shine. Granted no-one has looked decent this season but thatís because the squad is filled with average players and we might just have to accept that to a man this squad is very, very average. Klaassan included.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 25, 2017, 02:42:01 AM
He was made to look a Tit by our selection and the players around him.
He would go press by himself and nobody would go with him so they passed around him. The  he was out of position.

Us being shite and having not arsed players is making him look a lot worse.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Major Clanger on November 25, 2017, 02:44:53 AM
He was made to look a Tit by our selection and the players around him.

Also by the fact that he's shit.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 03:05:01 AM
Unsworth disappointing me saying things like lads making his job easier with performances last night. Some of those players have had far less time to impress than players Unsworth and people to that Koeman persist with no matter how shite they play.

Donít worry about the fat PE teacher mate, wonít be here much longer.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 25, 2017, 03:24:19 AM
Donít worry about the fat PE teacher mate, wonít be here much longer.

Meow!
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 25, 2017, 04:25:43 AM
He'll come good, guarantee it.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on November 25, 2017, 04:41:12 AM
Canít believe anyone thought 4-4-2 with a left side of Martina and Klaassen was ever going to be good...

 Christ 😳

As @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) suggested, I don't think anyone dreamed we would have a left side like that.

Surely Unsworth/Royle are a bit insane 🤔
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on November 25, 2017, 04:44:04 AM
He was made to look a Tit by our selection and the players around him.
He would go press by himself and nobody would go with him so they passed around him. The  he was out of position.

Us being shite and having not arsed players is making him look a lot worse.

I don't think the players aren't arsed.

I just think they've been coached cluelessly, particularly when it comes to pressing.

It takes real synchronisation and planning to get it right, and I think Koeman just told them to "preshh" without actually knowing how to coach it. 
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 25, 2017, 03:53:10 PM
Oh my god is that how we lined up?

Is unsworth trying to intentionally not only not get the Everton job but not get any job in the future?

Ha.  Thought the same. A line-up so outlandish I thought @GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) was just making shit up.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: arteta4spain on November 25, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Just said to a mate he reminds me of a cross between Andy Johnson and Steven Naismith!
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 26, 2017, 03:08:44 PM
Just said to a mate he reminds me of a cross between Andy Johnson and Steven Naismith!

Bants.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 26, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
What has happened to Stevie Naismith? He never seems to be in the Norwich first team.  Perhaps they transferred him.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 30, 2017, 01:59:51 AM
This bag of shite not even on the bench again
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: kramer0 on November 30, 2017, 02:12:45 AM
I can see him as a useful source of goals, scoring off of knockdowns from whatever big lump of a forward we sign in January.

It's a role that requires good anticipation and the ability to finish (both of which he has) but doesn't require him to get on the ball regularly (which is clearly not his style).
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: piggypop on November 30, 2017, 06:09:24 PM
I reckon he's our new Bilyaletdinov. You can see he has talent but I just don't think he is suited to the Premier League. Until he leaves the club we'll probably want him to play in the position he doesn't seem to get much of a chance in.
It's a shame as we'd all love to see a midfielder arriving late and scoring hatfuls of goals like lampard.
And I certainly can't see him suiting an allardyce team, which is all about stats and productivity.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 30, 2017, 08:35:52 PM
Well if he does not or cannot take this great chance to impress and start with a clean slate with a new manager and coach, then he should be binned  in January along with Sandro and one or two others. Klassen may join the list of the most expensive flops in our history. I hope somehow he can turn his fortunes around.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 19, 2017, 03:24:40 AM
9th PL game on the bounce this fella hasn't even made the squad.

Was an unused sub in the 3 games prior to that.

Bye bye January I think.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 03:52:21 AM
9th PL game on the bounce this fella hasn't even made the squad.

Was an unused sub in the 3 games prior to that.

Bye bye January I think.

£15m+ and I'd snap your hand off. Put the money towards a replacement for Baines.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on December 19, 2017, 04:10:34 AM
Wayne Rooney is so socially awkward.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Mac934 on December 19, 2017, 04:13:09 AM
Klassen did the exactly set the world alight with the young 'uns in the dead rubber either, so no great loss I don't think.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Risky on December 19, 2017, 04:23:26 AM
I kind of hope that the solidity and improved form we're building will actually be the foundations to start reintegrating the likes of Klaassen and Sandro back in to the squad.  It's pretty hard to judge them based on what's happened so far this season, and perhaps taking them out of the firing line is actually going to do them a world of good.  Much easier for these players to adapt playing in a team that's in form and playing well, rather than the absolute shambles they were trying to find their feet in.

I really don't see any benefit in getting rid in January, unless Allardyce has completely made his mind up already.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 04:27:35 AM
I kind of hope that the solidity and improved form we're building will actually be the foundations to start reintegrating the likes of Klaassen and Sandro back in to the squad.  It's pretty hard to judge them based on what's happened so far this season, and perhaps taking them out of the firing line is actually going to do them a world of good.  Much easier for these players to adapt playing in a team that's in form and playing well, rather than the absolute shambles they were trying to find their feet in.

I really don't see any benefit in getting rid in January, unless Allardyce has completely made his mind up already.

Or unless it's sell to buy, which wouldn't be unreasonable in January.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: therealdunc on December 19, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
The news from finch farm is Klassen is not good enough, itís as simple as that.

Wish him well that he gets a move and it works out well.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 02:05:57 PM
Just shows you how poor Dutch football is
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 19, 2017, 02:08:00 PM
Just shows you how poor Europa League football is

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 19, 2017, 03:02:23 PM
Loan back to Ajax in Jan with an 'Undisclosed Fee' permanent deal in the summer
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Simon Paul on December 19, 2017, 03:28:50 PM
Maybe his Uncle Rob can take him to his next club
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 19, 2017, 04:31:34 PM
Maybe his Uncle Rob can take him to his next club

That supposed to be Ron?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on December 19, 2017, 04:43:17 PM
Or unless it's sell to buy, which wouldn't be unreasonable in January.

In an ideal world, I would be looking at off-loading McCarthy, Besic and Schneiderlin before Klaassen.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 04:45:26 PM
The next Bergkamp they said

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on December 19, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
Koeman must take most of the blame for Klassen. He surely knew Dutch football levels and their top players more than anyone at Everton. Who knows, Klassen may be found a role here but probably will go down as one of the biggest wastes of money for a long time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Simon Paul on December 19, 2017, 08:59:28 PM
That supposed to be Ron?

Imagine a world without typo's
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 31, 2017, 03:48:10 AM
Heís done here, isnít he? If he canít get a game when weíre so short of players and those that are available, arenít properly fit, then heís got no chance.

It would be a shame if he was let go with out a fair crack but 3 managers have now overlooked him so surely heís got to take a look at himself.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on December 31, 2017, 03:49:08 AM
Throw him in, give him a go ffs
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on December 31, 2017, 04:02:02 AM
It's fucking ridiculous he isn't at least on the bench
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on December 31, 2017, 04:21:53 AM
It's fucking ridiculous he isn't at least on the bench
Why is it? If he isn't performing in training or doing what's asked of him then what image would that portray to those that are, if he was selected? I think every player should be treated the same and you get what you deserve regardless if you cost 25 million or a free.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on December 31, 2017, 04:28:38 AM
Why is it? If he isn't performing in training or doing what's asked of him then what image would that portray to those that are, if he was selected? I think every player should be treated the same and you get what you deserve regardless if you cost 25 million or a free.

Every man and his dog has had their chance now. Why not him?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on December 31, 2017, 04:39:25 AM
Every man and his dog has had their chance now. Why not him?
Ask him, it's like you said, everyone has been given a chance except him so clearly he isn't doing something that others are. I'd say it says more about Klassens character and drive if we've got kids getting a run out or showing more in training that they're taking his place in the squad.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 06:39:09 AM
Ask him, it's like you said, everyone has been given a chance except him so clearly he isn't doing something that others are. I'd say it says more about Klassens character and drive if we've got kids getting a run out or showing more in training that they're taking his place in the squad.

Ronald Koeman, the feller who signed him didnít give him much of a chance , what does that tell you about his ability?

He was signed as Ronaldís inside man in the dressing room and to get us deep into the Europa league.
I canít think of any other reason?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: toffee_scot on December 31, 2017, 07:07:50 AM
This season, Everton have been managed by Koeman, Unsworth and Allardyce. Koeman of course brought Klaassen here and with the Dutch connection I thought he'd be a key player but very early on Koeman used him less and less until he was just simply someone taking up space on the subs bench. Unsworth didn't seem confident to utilise him when he was caretaker manager and now Sam Allardyce does not include him.

I think this is very much a case of Klaassen not settling or adapting to the English game and none of the three managers have been impressed by him. I expect he will be on the move in January, at least on loan to another club.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on December 31, 2017, 07:12:04 AM
Deserves a crack, mind you hes meant hes a creative player so doesn't fit into Allardyces tactics
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2017, 08:17:45 AM
Must be absolute garbage in training mustnít he.

Canít get my head around a player good enough to play for Ajax at that level who canít get near the Everton squad? Must be more to him than what weíve seen. Play him instead of one of your defensive midfielders maybe.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Juanito on December 31, 2017, 01:02:48 PM
Iím sure he would have been more effective than James McCarthy yesterday. Especially with a Ďshieldí of Gana and Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
Deserves a crack, mind you hes meant hes a creative player so doesn't fit into Allardyces tactics

Of course itís all Alladryce fault!

Not like the guy who signed him played him every game
Or
When he played he was like Messi

No itís all big sams fault, no agenda here !!!  lolol
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: eugene on December 31, 2017, 03:00:24 PM
Think heís just at the wrong club at the wrong time, koeman went all out to install a type of football he believed we could play without fully understanding how his new signings would knit together.
When it didnít work there was no plan B.
He needs to go out on loan or be sold because the whole model has now changed
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cassius on December 31, 2017, 03:05:30 PM
Of course itís all Alladryce fault!

Not like the guy who signed him played him every game
Or
When he played he was like Messi

No itís all big sams fault, no agenda here !!!  lolol

Fuck me you're properly touchy, aren't you?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on December 31, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Of course itís all Alladryce fault!

Not like the guy who signed him played him every game
Or
When he played he was like Messi

No itís all big sams fault, no agenda here !!!  lolol

Where did i say it was his fault?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 06, 2018, 10:47:55 PM
I think heís trying to tell us something
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Shogun on January 06, 2018, 11:08:00 PM
Considering weíve pretty much nothing to play for (or at least shouldnít do if we win a few games) then we should be trying to get him and Sandro into the team as much as possible for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on January 06, 2018, 11:13:50 PM
Considering weíve pretty much nothing to play for (or at least shouldnít do if we win a few games) then we should be trying to get him and Sandro into the team as much as possible for the rest of the season.

Yeah weíre going to have to win a few more games yet before anyone is beginning to think of that sort of idea.

A lot will depend on if theyíre willing to stick around though.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on January 06, 2018, 11:16:37 PM
Sam couldvery well rotate all these players now ...but he will stick to bring overly defensive imho ....even after the golden 40 points.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Alanvideo on January 06, 2018, 11:26:09 PM
In the short time I've seen Klaasen on the pitch he looks skilful but physically weak ,like an even weaker version of Ossie.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 22, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
Can Davy really be that much worse than Schneiderlin for us to not try him in a side, against lower opposition, at home, where we should be attacking more ? I really think if we gave him  and Gueye a run of games we could actually be more productive from midfield.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on January 22, 2018, 09:31:39 PM
some people have to realise.....just because he's not playing doesn't mean he's shit in training....

for me its more a case of the manager doesn't think he'll fit into his system....

and lets face it having an attacking midfielder in our team....well current performances sez it all.....
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 22, 2018, 09:40:14 PM
some people have to realise.....just because he's not playing doesn't mean he's shit in training....

for me its more a case of the manager doesn't think he'll fit into his system....

and lets face it having an attacking midfielder in our team....well current performances sez it all.....
Koeman and Unsworth didnít fancy him either
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on January 22, 2018, 09:53:07 PM
I think when you spend the thick end of £25m on a player you need to give him a bit more than 190 minutes in the Premier League to get him used to it, even the games he started he didn't get more than an hour, proper confidence sapping treatment. Short of taking his locker off him I think it's a bit shite the way he's been treated, especially by Koeman who wanted him then pretty much flung him on the scrapheap without giving him much of a chance.

Ironically the only two games where he was played for 90 minutes we won 3-0.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 22, 2018, 09:57:14 PM
He's had 6 months to get up to speed and still Sam said he's not showing enough in training to warrant a place in the squad. I suppose he's a Rooney/Sig-lite and if he can't find a place for both of them at once then he's not going to find a slot for Klaassan.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on January 22, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
at least they both tried him though....

I think its too easy to discard a player and use the excuse that he doesn't fit the system.....

players make systems not the other way around.......and continued non use of any player doesn't give them the opportunity to fit in

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blueToffee on January 22, 2018, 10:11:33 PM
There has got to be a fair amount of discontent in the squad at the moment. It can't be a great atmosphere around Finch Farm.

Klaassen, Sandro, Vlasic, Lookman, Davies, Robles, Keane, possibly even Rooney to a degree can't be over the moon with their personal situations right now. Add in even maybe Jagielka being pushed to the periphery and most of the team he's used to leaving, Baines and Coleman and now McCarthy out injured...I dunno it doesn't strike me as a situation where players would be in particularly great spirits.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: kramer0 on January 22, 2018, 10:19:35 PM
It's relevant enough so here are some scattered thoughts on the midfield.

I think we generally look most competent with a midfield three, provided we have the right mix. In particular, we need:

1. someone who defends - Gana, Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Bangingime
2. someone who plays box-to-box - Davies, Klaassen (?)
3. someone capable of applying the final pass/finish - Sigurdsson, Rooney, Klaassen (?)

You can see the problem from a squad construction point-of-view. We have too many one-note defensive types and not enough players capable of affecting games going forward.

I'm not sure where Klaassen falls between 2 and 3. Ajax supporters seemed adamant that he was a box-to-box player but he hasn't influenced games much when he's played in that role. All of his best contributions have been deft touches or clever bits of movement around the penalty area to create chances for teammates/himself, which suggests to me that he's more of a "finisher."

I think where we've generally gone wrong over the past season-and-a-half is that we play too many players from category 1, which causes problems getting the ball into the final third, creating/scoring chances, and, strangely enough, defending (when we play 2 DMs, neither stays put, often leaving too much space in front of the defense). Koeman ran into this issue with the Schneiderlin/Gana combo after AFCON last season and at the beginning of this season. Allardyce is running into it again now, for some reason (he started with the balanced Gana-Davies-Rooney trio and hasn't gone back to it). Take Saturday, for instance. One of the reasons we were so ineffective in attack is that West Brom regularly forced us to check back to McCarthy when we built down the right and McCarthy isn't any good in the final third (they did the same thing with Cuco on the left but, unfortunately, we don't have another option at LB right now unless you're a Garbutt fan).

Allardyce would do well to stick with only one defensive type from now on. Any decent football we've played has come from that type of configuration. It's the only way we get any sort of control of the ball. Two DMs in a midfield three means lots of hoofs with no one to feed off the scraps.

If he absolutely has to play two DMs and go full-on anti-football, he should consider changing the shape to a 4-4-2, with another central player further forward to feed off of knockdowns from Tosun. Walcott, or maybe even Klaassen, might fit that role (Niasse needs to be kept on the bench; he's a fantastic sub).
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on January 22, 2018, 10:31:03 PM
It's relevant enough so here are some scattered thoughts on the midfield.

I think we generally look most competent with a midfield three, provided we have the right mix. In particular, we need:

1. someone who defends - Gana, Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Bangingime
2. someone who plays box-to-box - Davies, Klaassen (?)
3. someone capable of applying the final pass/finish - Sigurdsson, Rooney, Klaassen (?)

You can see the problem from a squad construction point-of-view. We have too many one-note defensive types and not enough players capable of affecting games going forward.

I'm not sure where Klaassen falls between 2 and 3. Ajax supporters seemed adamant that he was a box-to-box player but he hasn't influenced games much when he's played in that role. All of his best contributions have been deft touches or clever bits of movement around the penalty area to create chances for teammates/himself, which suggests to me that he's more of a "finisher."

I think where we've generally gone wrong over the past season-and-a-half is that we play too many players from category 1, which causes problems getting the ball into the final third, creating/scoring chances, and, strangely enough, defending (when we play 2 DMs, neither stays put, leaving a ton of space in front of the defense). Koeman ran into this issue with the Schneiderlin/Gana combo after AFCON last year and at the beginning of this season. Allardyce is running into it again now, for some reason (he started with the balanced Gana-Davies-Rooney trio and hasn't gone back to it). Take Saturday, for instance. One of the reasons we were so ineffective in attack is that West Brom regularly forced us to check back to McCarthy when we built down the right and McCarthy isn't any good in the final third (they did the same thing with Cuco on the left but, unfortunately, we don't have another option at LB right now unless you're a Garbutt fan).

Allardyce would do well to stick with only one defensive type from now on. Any decent football we've played has come from that type of configuration. It's the only way get any sort of control over the ball. Two DMs in a midfield three means loads of hoofs with no one to feed off the scraps.

If he absolutely has to play two DMs and go full-on anti-football, he should consider changing the shape to a 4-4-2, with another central player to feed off of knockdowns from Tosun. Walcott, or maybe even Klaassen, might fit that role (Niasse needs to be kept on the bench; he's a fantastic sub).
This is brilliantly analytic of our situation ....how many years sports science did you do 😛👍.

In all seriousness though yet another fan can read perfectly the situations but the management wont even try it any other way ...fucking useless.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Juanito on January 23, 2018, 01:47:16 AM
He's had 6 months to get up to speed and still Sam said he's not showing enough in training to warrant a place in the squad. I suppose he's a Rooney/Sig-lite and if he can't find a place for both of them at once then he's not going to find a slot for Klaassan.



45 million on Sigurdsson
24 million on Klaassen
150,000 on Rooney

All to occupy one position, while a reserve right back occupies our left back slot. Walsh, do one.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: cantoffee on January 23, 2018, 01:55:27 AM
To be honest I have no idea what type of player he is.

Basically all I can say is that he seems to have a decent touch and maybe a clever bit of play in him.

Doesn't seem to fit the box to box mould, doesn't seem the type to put his foot on the ball, doesn't seem to have a range of passing, seems weak in the air and the tackle.

Maybe he'll prove to fit in and he admittedly has not had much time to settle in and get minutes but I really can't see what he brings to the side.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 23, 2018, 01:58:44 AM
He's had 6 months to get up to speed and still Sam said he's not showing enough in training to warrant a place in the squad. I suppose he's a Rooney/Sig-lite and if he can't find a place for both of them at once then he's not going to find a slot for Klaassan.

Could be he knows thereís no space for all 3 and politically itís easiest by far to get rid of Klaassen so why bother even giving him a chance.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: eugene on January 23, 2018, 02:04:24 AM
Koeman and Unsworth didn't fancy him either
From the little I have seen from klaassen, he seams to do a lot of running around without taking the ball with him!
The premier league may just be a little too alien.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 23, 2018, 02:05:58 AM
And I donít factor Unsworths dismissal of him as meaning much. Unsworthís team selections were very much trying to make the point to our board that he thought our transfer activity was a disaster. Look at his first team in his first game vs Chelsea - almost none of the new boys in there: Pickford, Baines, Williams, Jags, JJK, mirallas, Davies, Beni, Lennon, Rooney.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 02:16:32 AM
Could be he knows thereís no space for all 3 and politically itís easiest by far to get rid of Klaassen so why bother even giving him a chance.

Could be a bit of that as well. Itíd pay for a new left back if he can tempt a buyer in the summer.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on January 23, 2018, 02:16:52 AM
Donít think you should write anyone off until they have had a year at a club to find their feet, particularly if itís a new county. That goes double if itís a club in turmoil which tbf we have been.

Signs have not been great, but wouldnít want to lose him, especially at a loss.

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 23, 2018, 02:53:35 AM
I think he showed signs of intelligent play early on, but suffered badly as a result of the entire teams lack of confidence and lack of movement.

I think we'd see a different player if he was at arsenal or even Bournemouth
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on January 23, 2018, 03:02:14 AM
He's had 6 months to get up to speed and still Sam said he's not showing enough in training to warrant a place in the squad. I suppose he's a Rooney/Sig-lite and if he can't find a place for both of them at once then he's not going to find a slot for Klaassan.

He's not really had 6 months to get up to speed though, you can only do so much in training to try and impress but the only way he's really going to get sharp is playing games. He hasn't even been given a game by Allardyce other than Limassol and Allardyce wasn't even at that one. A total of ten games at an average of 43 minutes per game isn't really getting the chance to learn the league and get any sort of match sharpness.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jamokachi on January 23, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
I hope he's been locked in the gym.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 23, 2018, 03:04:23 PM
I really think we have a slick player here who would be able to release the ball quickly to the likes of Walcott and Tosun, he wasn't the captain of Ajax just for having nice blonde hair and a cute face. We have lost the ability of the one touch football that we had with the likes of Ossie, Baines and Pienaar, the type of football that doesn't allow the opposing side to mark every player making us pass backwards and sideways. Fuck me our players have the skill set to do this, its so infuriating that we are scared of trying to play attacking football anymore, if we could then that's when Davy would shine, I'm pretty sure of it.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
To play Klaassan would mean dropping Sig/Rooney. Isn't gonna happen when these boys have proven themselves as great players in this league. Just a very poor signing, completely unnecessary and needs to be moved on so we can find players we need.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: bigmanbob on January 23, 2018, 05:24:52 PM
To play Klaassan would mean dropping Sig/Rooney. Isn't gonna happen when these boys have proven themselves as great players in this league. Just a very poor signing, completely unnecessary and needs to be moved on so we can find players we need.
I'm not advocating playing Klaassen but that's a strange statement IMHO. Both Rooney and Sig  have proven themselves as great players in this league, but neither have performed well enough in the no 10 role to say they should consistently play there
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 23, 2018, 05:30:45 PM
To play Klaassan would mean dropping Sig/Rooney. Isn't gonna happen when these boys have proven themselves as great players in this league. Just a very poor signing, completely unnecessary and needs to be moved on so we can find players we need.
Well yes they have proved to be great players, but from here on in they (especially Rooney) will be on the decline due to age, we can't keep hold of these ageing players and not replace them, we need to change our style of play which will then allow changes to be made, until then sadly we are going nowhere fast and the likes of Davy will stagnate along with Sandro et al.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on January 23, 2018, 05:34:41 PM
football like most sport is a game of fine margins....

klaassen had a couple of goal opportunities in those early games, which to be fair he was only inches away from.....but still there...

easy with hindsight...but if those chances had been converted I believe we'd be looking at a different player who would be a regular in our first team.....

unfortunately...chances not taken..team in turmoil and the manager who buys him gets sacked....result = where is the klaassen we bought ?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 05:36:49 PM
I'm not advocating playing Klaassen but that's a strange statement IMHO. Both Rooney and Sig  have proven themselves as great players in this league, but neither have performed well enough in the no 10 role to say they should consistently play there

I agree but it looks like from Sam's perspective, with an 18 month contract, that he's going to rely on proven experience. It's a consequence of the board's short term appointment I'm afraid.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on January 23, 2018, 06:05:43 PM
I agree but it looks like from Sam's perspective, with an 18 month contract, that he's going to rely on proven experience. It's a consequence of the board's short term appointment I'm afraid.

and this is the very reason for the poor brand of football we're currently playing..
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on January 30, 2018, 11:43:44 PM
Napoli apparently interested in Klaassen.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on January 30, 2018, 11:53:21 PM
Great, take a cut and sell quick.  Koeman must solely to blame for fellow Dutchman Klassen; he must have known the risks taking players from the current Dutch league. Their game is in a deep slump at the present time, as is reflected by their crap national team.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: kramer0 on January 31, 2018, 12:07:59 AM
I haven't seen enough of him to feel comfortable forming a strong opinion but what little I've seen suggests that he needs to play in a team that has the ball a lot. He's not really a dribbler and he doesn't really want to make things happen from deep. His strengths are movement off the ball and quick, one-or-two touch passing, and we don't look capable of taking advantage of either.

I think it would be a worthwhile experiment to see him in midfield three w/ Gana and Rooney (or Sigurdsson) but I don't think Allardyce has any interest in that.

Sarri is a great coach and Napoli are excellent with the ball. Probably a good fit for him if there's any truth in the rumour.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 12:21:03 AM
Napoli apparently interested in Klaassen.

Joyce has confirmed this on twitter
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on January 31, 2018, 12:26:39 AM
Joyce has confirmed this on twitter

I know. That's who I saw posted it. :)
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 12:43:57 AM
I know. That's who I saw posted it. :)

You know my auntie Joyce?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: toffee_scot on January 31, 2018, 12:54:39 AM
Amazing to think we have a player like the £24m Ajax captain who can't even make the bench. If he's not going to feature then might as well send him out on loan to whichever team is interested.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 12:57:32 AM
Tough decision for him, stay here and don't play or go to Napoli who are top of the league and have their best chance in years to win the title
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 31, 2018, 01:03:34 AM
It's tied on we are gonna get the shitty end of the stick when we ship the likes of sandro and klassen out. Take big losses and then they'll go on to have great careers.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 01:12:12 AM
I hope he goes and does brilliantly there, and proves everyone wrong
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Goaljira on January 31, 2018, 01:20:15 AM
I hope he goes and does brilliantly there, and proves everyone wrong

I hope he doesnt go, and does brilliantly here.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Heisenberg on January 31, 2018, 01:42:19 AM
This signing made sense at the time. Then signing Sigi and Rooney was stupid. Walsh needs sacking for this cluster fuck, the lad hasn't been given a chance
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueForYou on January 31, 2018, 02:09:18 AM
Klaassic!
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blueski on January 31, 2018, 02:47:59 AM
You'd think the end goal would be to evolve the quality of our play and if we had a solid director of football, they'd hold on to Klassen either via loaning him out short term with no option for the destination club or just bring in players who can retain and pass the ball regardless of the current manager.

Kind of hope we maybe consider looking past 18 months of Allardyce with respect to Klassen (unless of course he really isn't good enough which is a possiblity).
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on January 31, 2018, 03:30:37 AM
Unfortunately quality player at a shit club with three shit managers ...didn't stand a chance here ...just like Sandro ...hope they go on to be class and prove the people running this club of ours, are as fucking useless as we the supporters all know they are.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 31, 2018, 03:35:04 AM
I hope he goes and does brilliantly there, and proves everyone wrong

wish we would drop Schneiderlin for the rest of the season and give Klaasen a chance to adapt until the end of the season.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: di_guyo on January 31, 2018, 05:08:17 PM
Player has potential, finds it difficult to adapt to English style of play....ship him out on loan to Italy. Brilliant.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 05:12:51 PM
It took Bergkamp 2 seasons to adapt to the premier league, he admitted that himself, not saying Klaassen is on the same level as him like, but he was basically written off after 3 games for us
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 31, 2018, 05:33:13 PM
It took Bergkamp 2 seasons to adapt to the premier league, he admitted that himself, not saying Klaassen is on the same level as him like, but he was basically written off after 3 games for us

He'll have come into a side challenging for the league and winning most weeks though. 
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 31, 2018, 05:35:30 PM
I hope he goes and does brilliantly there, and proves everyone wrong

In Italy......

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 31, 2018, 05:46:36 PM
The warning signs were there; the best players in this league are either strong, quick or both. If youíre neither of those and you want to play for a top team then you need to a be a really fucking good footballer. I mean David Silva/Fabregas/Mata good. Heís neither strong and quick and not in the class of the 3 I just mentioned. Which means heís in Morrison/Allen/Britton territory; and players of that level wonít improve us.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 31, 2018, 06:03:47 PM
The warning signs were there; the best players in this league are either strong, quick or both. If you’re neither of those and you want to play for a top team then you need to a be a really fucking good footballer. I mean David Silva/Fabregas/Mata good. He’s neither strong and quick and not in the class of the 3 I just mentioned. Which means he’s in Morrison/Allen/Britton territory; and players of that level won’t improve us.

Not sure I agree with that. If you put a young Silva/Fabregas/Mata in a foreign country and in a team that is struggling for any kind of confidence, that doesn't pass the ball and is losing most weeks then I'm not sure their quality would automatically shine through.
I'm not saying that Klaassan is in their league but he's clearly not as shit as we've seen so far.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 06:33:24 PM
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/958675035258048512
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on January 31, 2018, 07:13:02 PM
Hearing it might be off as they didnt realise he'd played in the Europa league and is cup tied?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 07:26:01 PM
Hearing it might be off as they didnt realise he'd played in the Europa league and is cup tied?

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/958691533863243777
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 31, 2018, 07:31:12 PM
  how the fuck they not check this out before enquiring -

personally need to see more of him hee-

no point Sam saying on talksport he needs game time -  needs to adapt to the prem-  but off loads him to Italy-  to come back next season --pointless
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on January 31, 2018, 08:02:54 PM
Hearing it might be off as they didnt realise he'd played in the Europa league and is cup tied?

Lmao how does his keep happening
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 08:06:27 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/958699403296038917
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on January 31, 2018, 08:12:42 PM
Heís only going to get over the physical issues by playing.

But heís definitely someone that has the other players around do most of the possession work which narrows things down a bit here.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Major Clanger on January 31, 2018, 08:16:57 PM
Not sure I agree with that. If you put a young Silva/Fabregas/Mata in a foreign country and in a team that is struggling for any kind of confidence, that doesn't pass the ball and is losing most weeks then I'm not sure their quality would automatically shine through.

Of course it would, at least in glimpses. For a start, they'd always be looking to get involved and get on the ball rather than making silly "ghost runs".
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on January 31, 2018, 08:18:58 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/958691533863243777

Hahahaha

Everton have just been out Evertoned
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 08:21:26 PM
Hahahaha

Everton have just been out Evertoned

That was my first thought as well.

For their next trick, they will sign a player on a 4 year deal but only have a 3 year work permit.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on January 31, 2018, 08:34:38 PM
Sounds like Napoli have their own Stefano Washetti over there.

Besides, he didn't really play for us in Europa. The game passed him by...
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 31, 2018, 08:36:32 PM
Of course it would, at least in glimpses. For a start, they'd always be looking to get involved and get on the ball rather than making silly "ghost runs".


I'm not defending him as I think he's been poor when he's played but I just don't think he's as shite as we've seen so far. The lad has captained Ajax, won titles, is an experienced international and has played and scored in the Champions League for a few years. He's not alone this season as everyone has under-performed but he wouldn't be the first to struggle in his first year moving to this country.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Confucius on January 31, 2018, 08:59:49 PM
Decent player who has been not good enough admits to same and says he wants to fight for his place instead of running away. We need more of that st Everton and it's the kind of stuff I love to hear.

Give him a go Sam!
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: kramer0 on January 31, 2018, 09:04:45 PM
I feel for Napoli there.

We were so bad in the Europa League they forgot we were even in it. Easy mistake to make.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheTone on January 31, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
Yes it's true, yes it's true

I'm so happy to be stuck with you
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Major Clanger on January 31, 2018, 11:02:31 PM
I'm not defending him as I think he's been poor when he's played but I just don't think he's as shite as we've seen so far. The lad has captained Ajax, won titles, is an experienced international and has played and scored in the Champions League for a few years. He's not alone this season as everyone has under-performed but he wouldn't be the first to struggle in his first year moving to this country.

He's captained Ajax in a piss-poor Dutch league, plays in arguably the worst Netherlands side in living memory, and the number of shit players that have scored in the Champions League.is well-known.

Maybe he just needs time to adapt but he seems to lack really basic things, pace, strength and speed of thinking to name just three.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Confucius on January 31, 2018, 11:38:35 PM
He's captained Ajax in a piss-poor Dutch league, plays in arguably the worst Netherlands side in living memory, and the number of shit players that have scored in the Champions League.is well-known.

Maybe he just needs time to adapt but he seems to lack really basic things, pace, strength and speed of thinking to name just three.


Pace and Speed is the same thing.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Major Clanger on January 31, 2018, 11:56:08 PM
Pace and Speed is the same thing.

Speed of thinking is what I said.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 31, 2018, 11:56:11 PM
Pace and Speed is the same thing.

MC said speed of thinking which is different. Though I completely disagree, think heís got a very quick footballing brain.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Confucius on January 31, 2018, 11:59:42 PM
Speed of thinking is what I said.

Still way off the mark. Ross Barkley takes a long time to make decisions. Klaasen just needs to play and all three will improve
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Major Clanger on February 01, 2018, 12:03:52 AM
Still way off the mark. Ross Barkley takes a long time to make decisions. Klaasen just needs to play and all three will improve

I tend to agree.

Specifically he needs to play somewhere else cos he's utter dogshit.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 01, 2018, 12:18:19 AM
To be fair to Napoli did he touch the ball in the EL?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on February 01, 2018, 12:25:12 AM
People say players need ďspeed of thinkingĒ......to make the right/better decisions....

Itís not actually speed of thinking ......itís seeing the picture before the picture happens....

Good players see the moves before they get the ball....so when/if they get the ball they know exactly what theyíre going to do with it....

The next problem with this is the players around them have to also see a picture and react to the player getting the ball

Hence this is why youíll see a player pass the ball ďto no-oneĒ and everyone thinks ď who the fkk was that to?Ē Itís because some of the other players around him donít see the picture....

Ie: not thinking ahead.......

This is what the good coaches actually coach.....
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: School of Science on February 01, 2018, 12:25:48 AM
Feel sorry for Klassen, worst thing he ever done was sign for us.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on February 01, 2018, 12:31:31 AM
Feel sorry for Klassen, worst thing he ever done was sign for us.

I'm sure the state of his bank balance will soothe him a bit.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jacko4468 on February 01, 2018, 12:37:33 AM
MC said speed of thinking which is different. Though I completely disagree, think heís got a very quick footballing brain.
bit too quick for our current crop tho I think
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Heisenberg on February 01, 2018, 12:44:14 AM
I find it impressive how many people seem to know how shit him and sandro are despite them playing about a combined 14 minutes between them.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheTone on February 01, 2018, 01:20:22 AM
I find it impressive how many people seem to know how shit him and sandro are despite them playing about a combined 14 minutes between them.

All we need is 5 mins to judge whether someone is shit or not

Tosun is shit too by the way
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hesmenos on February 01, 2018, 01:21:07 AM
I don't think its so much about him adapting to the English game, as he has been wank in Europe as well. I think that we just don't play to his strengths. I had watched him a few times last season and he seemed a very good player. But in all the matches I watched, Ajax played possession football. They did a lot of small passes, a lot of 1-2s, they had a lot of movement off the ball and Klaassen was at the heart of it.
I'm not sure if Koeman bought him thinking that he wanted us to play like this only to bottle it when he saw it wasn't working, or if he thought that Klaassen could adapt to a different style. But if Sam wants to carry on playing the way we are then the only choice is to let him go somewhere else. He'd be brilliant at Napoli as they seem to play a faster version of what Ajax where playing.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: bigl1cks on February 01, 2018, 01:25:00 AM
I don't think its so much about him adapting to the English game, as he has been wank in Europe as well. I think that we just don't play to his strengths. I had watched him a few times last season and he seemed a very good player. But in all the matches I watched, Ajax played possession football. They did a lot of small passes, a lot of 1-2s, they had a lot of movement off the ball and Klaassen was at the heart of it.
I'm not sure if Koeman bought him thinking that he wanted us to play like this only to bottle it when he saw it wasn't working, or if he thought that Klaassen could adapt to a different style. But if Sam wants to carry on playing the way we are then the only choice is to let him go somewhere else. He'd be brilliant at Napoli as they seem to play a faster version of what Ajax where playing.


I totally disagree with this. In his few appearances for us he was totally incapable of reviving the ball and passing it to a teammate. How long do you give someone who just isn't doing the business?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hesmenos on February 01, 2018, 01:32:55 AM
I totally disagree with this. In his few appearances for us he was totally incapable of reviving the ball and passing it to a teammate. How long do you give someone who just isn't doing the business?
If by reviving you mean winning the ball back, then that is one of his biggest weaknesses. Its just not part of his skillset. As for passing it on, at Ajax there always seemed to be easy passes on for him. Whether that is better understanding his teammates moves or better movement from teammates. There was a lot of 1 or 2 touch passes. With us he seemed to be running with the ball more and often getting dispossessed. He can't dribble and he can't hold the ball up. If that is what we want from him we might as well get rid.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lazarou on February 02, 2018, 07:15:55 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/02/davy-klaassen-everton-football-money-allardyce (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/02/davy-klaassen-everton-football-money-allardyce)
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 02, 2018, 07:32:32 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/02/davy-klaassen-everton-football-money-allardyce (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/02/davy-klaassen-everton-football-money-allardyce)

So basically his agent was going to lose out on a few quid and pulled the plug
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ross on February 02, 2018, 07:40:48 PM
So basically his agent was going to lose out on a few quid and pulled the plug

The irony of Allardyce complaining about people in football being greedy.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 02, 2018, 07:50:35 PM
So its a missed trick of other teams not picking a player of this calibre up yet Sam wont even put him on the bench for us?
The fucks he chatting
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: hannu on February 02, 2018, 07:51:29 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/02/davy-klaassen-everton-football-money-allardyce (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/02/davy-klaassen-everton-football-money-allardyce)

so Big Sam says Klsassen pulled out of the deal because of money, it can be equally said Nopoli pulled out over money

the lad does not want to hand over his image rights, its up to him
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on February 02, 2018, 08:03:30 PM
So its a missed trick of other teams not picking a player of this calibre up yet Sam wont even put him on the bench for us?
The fucks he chatting

To be fair the situation would be that Napoli would like to play him more than us atm but it was the image rights issue that stopped that.

Heís obviously down the queue here so itís disappointing that heís not out somewhere playing, and unless massive injuries or some drastic improvements here, wasting a year of his career.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on February 02, 2018, 08:04:14 PM
Also some players suit different types of football.

Kroldrup being a good example.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Nicco on February 02, 2018, 08:55:37 PM
Also some players suit different types of football.

Kroldrup being a good example.
And no one knows what types that suits Sam, neither players or football, least Sam.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on February 02, 2018, 09:04:30 PM
"Heís a super professional and a super lad, and he comes in and tries his best in training every day. I just think the opportunity for him to go out on loan was missed by everybody that wanted a player of his calibre.Ē

Meanwhile, Schneiderlin continues in the First Team.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 02, 2018, 09:14:15 PM
"Heís a super professional and a super lad, and he comes in and tries his best in training every day. I just think the opportunity for him to go out on loan was missed by everybody that wanted a player of his calibre.Ē

Meanwhile, Schneiderlin continues in the First Team.

Maybe he's just better.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on February 02, 2018, 09:22:03 PM
Been long enough for me to forget how bad he was and Iím all behind him starting in a midfield 3.

He has played less than 500 mins like, but obviously his own fault if nobody has rated him at all.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 02, 2018, 09:51:10 PM
Amazed he turned down Napoli over a few months of image rights. They are going for the title. You do have to wonder now if he's gonna sit out his entire contract. His stock is only going to go down and he's never gonna get a better footballing offer than Napoli
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on February 02, 2018, 09:58:02 PM
So 6 months of missing out on a few quid, even though it'd still be substantially higher than his wages he's been used to all his life, to give up the chance of playing for a very good team at the top of Serie A and sampling a different country, culture and lifestyle for a bit. I'd suggest our Davy is not such a smashing lad after all.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: civemark on February 02, 2018, 10:26:57 PM
He will be regretting the decision on Saturday when he is watching the game from the Emirates stands.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 02, 2018, 10:51:43 PM
So 6 months of missing out on a few quid, even though it'd still be substantially higher than his wages he's been used to all his life, to give up the chance of playing for a very good team at the top of Serie A and sampling a different country, culture and lifestyle for a bit. I'd suggest our Davy is not such a smashing lad after all.

Sounds more like his agent has pulled all the strings and Davy hasn't had much of a say in any of it
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 02, 2018, 11:06:49 PM
Should not the accuser have prioritised the England job over money?

Nah, thought not......
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on February 03, 2018, 03:00:35 AM
Sounds more like his agent has pulled all the strings and Davy hasn't had much of a say in any of it

The agent works on behalf of the player not the other way around.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 03, 2018, 03:54:06 AM
Was he holding out for a loan to Derby?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 03, 2018, 08:59:51 PM
hope we're safe by march, then can give Davy a go in the first team, im sure if he had played he wouldnt have been as bad as Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: eugene on February 03, 2018, 09:03:00 PM
hope we're safe by march, then can give Davy a go in the first team, im sure if he had played he wouldnt have been as bad as Schneiderlin.
Recon 40 points is safe this season so three wins starting today COYB
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on February 03, 2018, 09:19:07 PM
Was he holding out for a loan to Derby?

Leipzig. Like Real Madrid did a few years ago, they got our players mixed up.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on February 04, 2018, 01:59:07 AM
Time to give this guy a go I reckon.

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on February 04, 2018, 02:47:07 AM
Time to give this guy a go I reckon.



See no reason not to.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Big Sams Little Pecker on February 04, 2018, 02:54:02 AM
If he's that shit in training that 3 managers (one of whom signed him for decent money) have seen fit to leave him out of most matchday squads, I really can't see what people wanting to "Give him a go" are expecting to see from him.

All variations of "he sees things that his teammates don't which makes him look bad" are just nonsense (that seem to stem from an Echo article months back) as based on his performances to date, nobody could have possibly come to that conclusion.

The only benefit to playing him would be to prove to every man and his dog how poor a signing he really is.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on February 04, 2018, 02:59:03 AM
See no reason not to.
He must be proper bollocks in training not too even get close to this squad, you'd think you'd only need 2 functional feet to get a run out at the moment!
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 04, 2018, 02:59:11 AM
If he's that shit in training that 3 managers (one of whom signed him for decent money) have seen fit to leave him out of most matchday squads, I really can't see what people wanting to "Give him a go" are expecting to see from him.

All variations of "he sees things that his teammates don't which makes him look bad" are just nonsense (that seem to stem from an Echo article months back) as based on his performances to date, nobody could have possibly come to that conclusion.

The only benefit to playing him would be to prove to every man and his dog how poor a signing he really is.

if you watched Ajax the season they got to the Europa League final, then you would have seen his skill set, and what he is capable of. we played him in on the side of 3 in midfield (never in the middle) or one of the wide forward positions.  by the time we played him as a CAM, he was already out of form and off the pace,If he played along side Davies and Gueye, with 2fullbacks who bomb on, and with Walcott, he would have options.

Fans keep forgetting we had no attacking style of play for a long time this season.. some may say we still dont have one..
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on February 04, 2018, 03:00:04 AM
If he's that shit in training that 3 managers (one of whom signed him for decent money) have seen fit to leave him out of most matchday squads, I really can't see what people wanting to "Give him a go" are expecting to see from him.

All variations of "he sees things that his teammates don't which makes him look bad" are just nonsense (that seem to stem from an Echo article months back) as based on his performances to date, nobody could have possibly come to that conclusion.

The only benefit to playing him would be to prove to every man and his dog how poor a signing he really is.

Things are shite anyway, it would at least be something different.

Got to the point where I don't care anymore and just want to see freshness.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Big Sams Little Pecker on February 04, 2018, 03:03:59 AM
if you watched Ajax the season they got to the Europa League final, then you would have seen his skill set, and what he is capable of. we played him in on the side of 3 in midfield (never in the middle) or one of the wide forward positions.  by the time we played him as a CAM, he was already out of form and off the pace,If he played along side Davies and Gueye, with 2fullbacks who bomb on, and with Walcott, he would have options.

Fans keep forgetting we had no attacking style of play for a long time this season.. some may say we still dont have one..

He was garbage in the EL final, I watched it.

A quick scan through various newspaper ratings of said final also backs this up with him being rated at 5 and 6 across the board.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 04, 2018, 03:08:13 AM
He was garbage in the EL final, I watched it.

A quick scan through various newspaper ratings of said final also backs this up with him being rated at 5 and 6 across the board.

not the final, that whole season he was fucking epic.
are you just basing him off the final? had you ever seen him play before the final?

in that season he played 33 league games, scored 14 goals , in the europa he played 17 times scoring 6. his play was amazing.. but hes going to be shit as we had no pace in the team back then when we played him.

 
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on February 04, 2018, 03:11:24 AM
If...we actually settled on the team from Weds night we should be slotting him in when Rooney canít play.

We seem to have a list of players and base the team / formation on them rather than have a general plan that suits the majority and then picks players to fit that.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Big Sams Little Pecker on February 04, 2018, 03:12:49 AM
not the final, that whole season he was fucking epic.
are you just basing him off the final? had you ever seen him play before the final?

in that season he played 33 league games, scored 14 goals , in the europa he played 17 times scoring 6. his play was amazing.. but hes going to be shit as we had no pace in the team back then when we played him.

In a league that Steve McClaren won and Vincent Janssen looked quality...

Hmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 04, 2018, 03:15:57 AM
so did  Robben, Nistelrooy, Van Bastan, Jan wouters, aaron Winters, Bergkamp,, Rijkaard, Gulliet ... Heitinga, Cruyff.. shall i continue?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Goaljira on February 04, 2018, 03:28:49 AM
If...we actually settled on the team from Weds night we should be slotting him in when Rooney canít play.

We seem to have a list of players and base the team / formation on them rather than have a general plan that suits the majority and then picks players to fit that.

I dont think he'd suit the Rooney role.  He could possibly start replacing Davies late in games in that role to get him back in the team.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Big Sams Little Pecker on February 04, 2018, 03:29:28 AM
so did  Robben, Nistelrooy, Van Bastan, Jan wouters, aaron Winters, Bergkamp,, Rijkaard, Gulliet ... Heitinga, Cruyff.. shall i continue?

Different era and you know it, hence why they haven't even qualified for the World Cup lolol

Unlucky
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on February 04, 2018, 03:30:32 AM
I dont think he'd suit the Rooney role.  He could possibly start replacing Davies late in games in that role to get him back in the team.

Yeah that might be ok too.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on February 04, 2018, 03:33:13 AM
I'm sure when he signed Koeman said he was brought in to challenge Tom Davies place in the team.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheTone on February 04, 2018, 03:56:57 AM
I said last summer that this fella would be like Paul Scholes

Creamed my kecks when I saw his first touch looking boss in a pre season game

What an absolute wanker I am
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on February 04, 2018, 04:03:17 AM
If...we actually settled on the team from Weds night we should be slotting him in when Rooney canít play.

We seem to have a list of players and base the team / formation on them rather than have a general plan that suits the majority and then picks players to fit that.

Should be slotting in for Davies when he canít play imo. Canít do what rooney does and we donít have anyone else who can. Priority for me in the summer, followed immediately by a real LB.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jamokachi on February 04, 2018, 04:44:27 PM
looking boss in a pre season game

He did?!
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Polledreng on February 04, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
I dont think he'd suit the Rooney role.  He could possibly start replacing Davies late in games in that role to get him back in the team.
and our great manager has just explained that Lookman went on loan as we had 2 players costing more than 20mill£ and had more experience (Bolasie and Walcott) That explains why he picks Davies and not Klaasen...My God our new manager is the worst I've seen and I've seen Walker Bingham Lee among others..
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jamokachi on March 11, 2018, 06:11:22 AM
Had a wee chuckle when the commentator on Optus Sport referred to him as "the lesser spotted Davy Klaassen" :)
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on March 11, 2018, 06:16:01 AM
He seriously needs to shave his hair off if he's going to get more appearances for us.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on March 11, 2018, 06:24:16 AM
He didn't really get much chance to do anything but I still think he looks neat and tidy. He's not the type of player who's going to pick the ball up deep and run with it but you can see he tries to touch and move all the time, one touch and keep the ball moving, try and find space, be an outlet for someone and move the ball on again. Ironically it's that type of quick movement of the ball that we've been rubbish at all season while he's been sitting in the stands.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bally on March 11, 2018, 06:25:14 AM
What I enjoyed today was the crowds reaction, showed him we are still willing to give him a chance
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on March 11, 2018, 06:28:04 AM
He didn't really get much chance to do anything but I still think he looks neat and tidy. He's not the type of player who's going to pick the ball up deep and run with it but you can see he tries to touch and move all the time, one touch and keep the ball moving, try and find space, be an outlet for someone and move the ball on again. Ironically it's that type of quick movement of the ball that we've been rubbish at all season while he's been sitting in the stands.

I think he can offer us something. And you're right, he has that different skillset that we need to try something different every now and then.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on March 11, 2018, 07:12:23 AM
What I enjoyed today was the crowds reaction, showed him we are still willing to give him a chance

Was half expecting Davy Klaassen Ole Ole Ole when he came on.

Would be great if he could start playing a part for us, would save us a great deal of money.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on March 11, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
He seriously needs to shave his hair off if he's going to get more appearances for us.

Was gonna mention this. An absolutely appalling hair line.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Brownie on March 11, 2018, 05:25:40 PM
Was half expecting Davy Klaassen Ole Ole Ole when he came on.

Would be great if he could start playing a part for us, would save us a great deal of money.

Scores the winner against the Shite.

Should've let him have the penalty yesterday
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Tofifee on June 07, 2018, 10:30:36 PM
Still have faith in Davy. With the 4-3-3 system it could suit Davy down to the ground. I really want him to succeed, seems a top lad

Klassen - Gana - Siggy

Theo - Cenk - Ademola

He could thrive in this
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: dunkster on June 07, 2018, 10:34:34 PM
Still have faith in Davy. With the 4-3-3 system it could suit Davy down to the ground. I really want him to succeed, seems a top lad

Klassen - Gana - Siggy

Theo - Cenk - Ademola

He could thrive in this

Who said we have too many no.10's eh?
Rooney will be gone and siggy and klaasen could be incorporated into the more defensive midfield trio.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 07, 2018, 10:55:32 PM
Still have faith in Davy. With the 4-3-3 system it could suit Davy down to the ground. I really want him to succeed, seems a top lad

Klassen - Gana - Siggy

Theo - Cenk - Ademola

He could thrive in this

That midfield is the stuff of nightmares. Sigurdsson isn't a centre mid and never will be. Klaassen doesn't appear to be one either. The problem for Klaassen is that his best position is also Sigurdsson's best position.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: plumber on June 07, 2018, 11:10:08 PM
That midfield is the stuff of nightmares. Sigurdsson isn't a centre mid and never will be. Klaassen doesn't appear to be one either. The problem for Klaassen is that his best position is also Sigurdsson's best position.

That was Klaassen's position when he played for Ajax. He never (or almost never) was a no10.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on June 07, 2018, 11:11:01 PM
That midfield is the stuff of nightmares. Sigurdsson isn't a centre mid and never will be. Klaassen doesn't appear to be one either. The problem for Klaassen is that his best position is also Sigurdsson's best position.


Silva wants back up in every position. That's the number 10 solved then.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Juanito on June 08, 2018, 12:23:28 AM
Klaassen and 8 and Sigurdsson a 10 of an 8.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Brownie on June 08, 2018, 12:25:50 AM
Klaassen and 8 and Sigurdsson a 10 of an 8.

Que?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 08, 2018, 03:29:59 PM
That was Klaassen's position when he played for Ajax. He never (or almost never) was a no10.

We'll see. On this season's evidence, he'd struggle massively in CM.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2018, 03:58:50 PM
Stealing a living this fella
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Juanito on June 08, 2018, 06:35:18 PM
Que?

Haha. I meant position. Realise there was an autospell in there. I think Klaassen would make a great number 8 but for a mid table Spanish side and not so sure about the hurly burly of the premiership. He reminds of Scott Gemmil trying to make it today.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on June 08, 2018, 07:12:52 PM
We'll see. On this season's evidence, he'd struggle massively in CM.

On this seasons evidence, heíd struggle in a light breeze.

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Toddacelli on June 08, 2018, 08:20:34 PM
On this seasons evidence, heíd struggle in a light breeze.



And I guess this is why system is so important. He'd have been great in the Spanish tika-taka team where they they had a 5' height restriction for everyone apart from the goalie, because they played little, neat, quick, passing football to feet. There's no-one really around him at Everton he can do those little link-ups and triangles with. What was the system like at Ajax he played in?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blue1948 on June 08, 2018, 08:53:13 PM
He is no smaller than Lookman .But hey what the fuck .

Edit : He is 2" taller .
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on June 09, 2018, 03:32:11 AM
What a load of bollocks

https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1005180686389727232
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on June 09, 2018, 03:42:45 AM
What a load of bollocks

https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1005180686389727232

As if theyíll pay that fee at the end
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on June 09, 2018, 03:52:38 AM
As if theyíll pay that fee at the end

ďGive what back?Ē
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 09, 2018, 03:54:02 AM
As if theyíll pay that fee at the end

Weíd have to be wrong in our heads to agree to such a shitty deal. 2 fucking year loan and they pay us a pittance before trying to fuck us on the fee
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: kramer0 on June 09, 2018, 03:58:11 AM
They're getting Negredo on the phone as we speak.

https://twitter.com/Besiktas/status/892854264762179584 (https://twitter.com/Besiktas/status/892854264762179584)
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on June 09, 2018, 04:14:50 AM
Weíd have to be wrong in our heads to agree to such a shitty deal. 2 fucking year loan and they pay us a pittance before trying to fuck us on the fee

He'll be worth even less in two years time given he'll be close to the end of his contract.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: dunkster on June 09, 2018, 04:17:55 AM
That's gotta be bollocks...1.5 mill a year and they only pay certain percentage of wages,  meaning our wages contribution probably rules out that fee...in other words 'yeah take him off us for free for 2 seasons no problem'
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 09, 2018, 04:26:21 AM
Why would we even deal with them when they fucked us on the yobo fee. We seem to almost enjoy getting fucked over
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on June 09, 2018, 04:32:15 AM
Why would we even deal with them when they fucked us on the yobo fee. We seem to almost enjoy getting fucked over

Indeed.

Iíll be surprised/disappointed if this is true.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hesmenos on June 09, 2018, 04:48:09 AM
Didn't he reject a move to Napoli or Inter in January.
Yet 6 months later he's OK with moving to the Turkish league.  :bonk:
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on June 09, 2018, 04:49:30 AM
Why would we even deal with them when they fucked us on the yobo fee. We seem to almost enjoy getting fucked over

That was Fenerbahce.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 09, 2018, 05:04:25 AM
That was Fenerbahce.
They all look the same
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on June 09, 2018, 02:56:37 PM
Actually intrigued to see of Silva can get a tune out of this guy next season.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: dunkster on June 09, 2018, 10:42:09 PM
Gathering reports of deal being 99% complete to see him going on a 2 year loan at 1.5 million a year..
IF..IF..that happens that makes me lose a great deal of faith in brands.
No other club would entertain that idea.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on June 09, 2018, 10:43:17 PM
Gathering reports where though?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: dunkster on June 09, 2018, 10:47:16 PM
https://turkish-football.com/23-6m-everton-midfielder-davy-klaassen-transfer-turkish-giants-99-complete/

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2018/06/09/turkish-giants-99-done-with-deal-to-sign-everton-star/378313/
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: dunkster on June 09, 2018, 10:47:30 PM
Probably same source
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 09, 2018, 10:51:33 PM
Gathering reports of deal being 99% complete to see him going on a 2 year loan at 1.5 million a year..
IF..IF..that happens that makes me lose a great deal of faith in brands.
No other club would entertain that idea.

2 years is ridiculous. Even if we are gonna take a shitty fee it should be 1 year with no sell on clause. 2 and a sell on clause is laughably bad.

Not a hard job if brands is just gonna get them off our books by allowing everyone to bum us
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: dunkster on June 09, 2018, 11:33:56 PM
I just can't believe it's real tbh. IF you don't want him for 2 years just sell him. Our wage contribution makes up for the 1.5 million so what's the point? Get nothing out of it. IF you wanna clear his wages off the books, sell him and get some transfer money.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: piggypop on June 10, 2018, 12:54:00 AM
If they pay his wages and a loan fee, then it's a decent deal in my eyes.
How anyone can have watched him last season and seen any reason to persist is completely beyond me. Unfortunately, he's completely out of his depth in English football.
20m is still way overpriced for him and  would be good money. Look at what he has shown and decide if you would be happy if we paid 20m for a player of his calibre this summer.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 10, 2018, 12:56:06 AM
If they pay his wages and a loan fee, then it's a decent deal in my eyes.
How anyone can have watched him last season and seen any reason to persist is completely beyond me. Unfortunately, he's completely out of his depth in English football.
20m is still way overpriced for him and  would be good money. Look at what he has shown and decide if you would be happy if we paid 20m for a player of his calibre this summer.

We arenít getting 20m for him though. We are getting almost nothing for 2 years and then possibly him back
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: School of Science on June 10, 2018, 12:59:04 AM
Why is it a bad deal ? The player is nowhere near the first team, the bad deal it seems was actually buying him. So they pay his wages for two years and are set a high price to buy him. If it's a two year deal then Brands / Silva have decided he's not for Everton and that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 10, 2018, 01:02:11 AM
Why is it a bad deal ? The player is nowhere near the first team, the bad deal it seems was actually buying him. So they pay his wages for two years and are set a high price to buy him. If it's a two year deal then Brands / Silva have decided he's not for Everton and that's good enough for me.

The set price only helps them not us. Itís a maximum not a minimum. They can renegotiate or even send him back. We canít renegotiate upwards
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blue1948 on June 10, 2018, 01:04:05 AM
If they pay his wages and a loan fee, then it's a decent deal in my eyes.
How anyone can have watched him last season and seen any reason to persist is completely beyond me. Unfortunately, he's completely out of his depth in English football.
20m is still way overpriced for him and  would be good money. Look at what he has shown and decide if you would be happy if we paid 20m for a player of his calibre this summer.
It is very hard to play well if the fat manager does not give you a game ,don't bother with the "well Koeman never gave him game time " argument because he had just arrived and wasn't ready ,I KNOW that if you play as captain of a side in the final of a European cup then you are better than we saw last season .Give the lad a chance for fuck sake .
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blue1948 on June 10, 2018, 01:05:05 AM
Why is it a bad deal ? The player is nowhere near the first team, the bad deal it seems was actually buying him. So they pay his wages for two years and are set a high price to buy him. If it's a two year deal then Brands / Silva have decided he's not for Everton and that's good enough for me.

Nowhere near the first team?? give it up will ye
.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: dunkster on June 10, 2018, 01:06:19 AM
Plenty of teams have players on fairly high wages who haven't had much game time. They don't all loan them out for 2 years for £3 million quid total.
And they aren't paying all his wages so that loan fee is wiped.
Martial doesn't get loads of game time at United. Wonder if we can loan him for 2 years at £3 mill?
Anyone who thinks we are doing well by this deal must be crazy.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: School of Science on June 10, 2018, 01:09:46 AM
The set price only helps them not us. Itís a maximum not a minimum. They can renegotiate or even send him back. We canít renegotiate upwards

Brands  has decided we need him off the wage bill, everyone knows Klassen has been a poor buy, not suited to the premier league, so we know the ball is not in our court, we need to lower the wage bill so we can go for our own targets, time is not on our side. You get what you can in these situations. Losses will no doubt happen, this probably won't be the last. Besides that if Klassen does well, then maybe the ball will be in our court at the end of the loan.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: School of Science on June 10, 2018, 01:12:38 AM
Nowhere near the first team?? give it up will ye
.

Give what up ? He's not, how many first team games has he played since he signed ?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 10, 2018, 01:54:37 AM
Brands  has decided we need him off the wage bill, everyone knows Klassen has been a poor buy, not suited to the premier league, so we know the ball is not in our court, we need to lower the wage bill so we can go for our own targets, time is not on our side. You get what you can in these situations. Losses will no doubt happen, this probably won't be the last. Besides that if Klassen does well, then maybe the ball will be in our court at the end of the loan.

If he does well then the fee is already agreed. If he does shit we get him back

I accept we arenít in the strongest position but I dont believe we canít find someone to pay 1.5m for 1 season with either no clause or a higher 1. Itís a really bad deal
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: piggypop on June 10, 2018, 01:58:22 AM
It is very hard to play well if the fat manager does not give you a game ,don't bother with the "well Koeman never gave him game time " argument because he had just arrived and wasn't ready ,I KNOW that if you play as captain of a side in the final of a European cup then you are better than we saw last season .Give the lad a chance for fuck sake .
Imagine for a moment that he'd been signed by West ham last season and had the same impact he's had here. Then imagine we'd offered to take him on loan, pay wages and a loan fee. The majority on here would think it was absolutely crazy.

He has shown absolutely nothing to suggest he is in any way suitable for premier league football. It's almost delusional to see otherwise.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ajax_andy on June 10, 2018, 01:58:42 AM
We could easily sell him to the Dutch, Italian or Russian league for £10m.  Can't see this deal being true as it makes zero financial sense
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: piggypop on June 10, 2018, 01:59:35 AM
The set price only helps them not us. It's a maximum not a minimum. They can renegotiate or even send him back. We can't renegotiate upwards
He's only worth about 6-10m, so 20m seems a good price to me.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 10, 2018, 02:09:00 AM
He's only worth about 6-10m, so 20m seems a good price to me.

Itís not a good price because they get a 2 year look at him before deciding not to pay it if youíre right and heís only worth a fraction of it

We should just do a 1 year deal. See where we are this time next year
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 10, 2018, 02:28:23 AM
Imo if this happens it stinks of creative bookkeeping. Seems way more to this than meets the eye, this type of deal seems extremely odd. Would it not be easier to fully cut our losses on him now than to get into this weird shit.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blue1948 on June 10, 2018, 03:46:24 AM
Give what up ? He's not, how many first team games has he played since he signed ?
There is a difference between not being near and not playing games .If  the previous manager didn't play him until the end of the season then he did ,then he is in the squad and near the first team .It is not rocket science .
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: School of Science on June 10, 2018, 06:04:00 AM
There is a difference between not being near and not playing games .If  the previous manager didn't play him until the end of the season then he did ,then he is in the squad and near the first team .It is not rocket science .

Okay I bow to your greater knowledge, ( even though the two previous managers hardly bothered with him either ).
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: dunkster on June 10, 2018, 02:39:53 PM
He's only worth about 6-10m, so 20m seems a good price to me.

One bad season doesn't equate to a drop to 6 million.
He might not have what it takes for the premiership but his value hasn't tumbled that badly elsewhere.
The top 6 constantly spend over 20 million on lots of players who struggle . But they don't give them away for peanuts.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on June 10, 2018, 03:41:20 PM
Need to get him off the wage bill.

Heís not cut out for premier league football and no one is going to buy him and pay his wages.

Expect more of these deals unfortunately.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on June 10, 2018, 04:09:29 PM
One bad season doesn't equate to a drop to 6 million.
He might not have what it takes for the premiership but his value hasn't tumbled that badly elsewhere.
The top 6 constantly spend over 20 million on lots of players who struggle . But they don't give them away for peanuts.

If you look at our transfer dealings over the previous few windows one thing is clear, we massively overspend on a lot of our signings. I dont think one bad season does equate to a 6 million drop. The 6 million drop is more a reflection on what he is/was worth, its not a the perspective buying clubs fault that we got rinsed yet again.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hesmenos on June 10, 2018, 04:27:16 PM
Imo if this happens it stinks of creative bookkeeping. Seems way more to this than meets the eye, this type of deal seems extremely odd. Would it not be easier to fully cut our losses on him now than to get into this weird shit.
I'm sure Besiktas were done for FFP a few years ago and where given some form of transfer limitations as punishment. Maybe due to those sanctions this is the only way that they can structure this deal.
Brands probably knows what Klaassen is capable of better than anyone else at Everton. If he believes that he is not a good fit for Everton and Silva then getting rid quickly is the best thing for us. This will then free up space to bring in a player which is better suited for us.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 10, 2018, 05:12:30 PM
I'm sure Besiktas were done for FFP a few years ago and where given some form of transfer limitations as punishment. Maybe due to those sanctions this is the only way that they can structure this deal.
Brands probably knows what Klaassen is capable of better than anyone else at Everton. If he believes that he is not a good fit for Everton and Silva then getting rid quickly is the best thing for us. This will then free up space to bring in a player which is better suited for us.

Sounds reasonable. Koeman would have just taken his locker off him.

If Besiktas are the only club willing to cover enough of his wages so we can manoeuvre through FFP then this kind of creative think By is exactly the reason we employed Brands.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on June 10, 2018, 05:14:27 PM
I don't really like the idea but if that's the decision then so be it
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: dunkster on June 10, 2018, 07:51:46 PM
I think it's shit.
If you want his wages off the books then sell him. And don't tell me he won't leave because he's on too good a wage. If it's keep your wages but play zero football or get sold to a different club for less wages but playing regularly I think know which one he'd choose.
And to say he's worth 6-10 mill now is bollocks. This guy went back to Ajax just for a standing ovation for what he did for them. Just cos it hasn't worked for him doesn't mean hes become crap.
Teams like spurs still seem to get very decent fees for players who have barely featured.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on June 10, 2018, 08:01:26 PM
Flopzilla, wonder if weíll ever see him in the shirt again
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on June 10, 2018, 09:18:35 PM
It hasnít worked out. Thankfully we didnít spend big on him.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 10, 2018, 09:26:22 PM
It hasnít worked out. Thankfully we didnít spend big on him.

He was 25m plus wages. Heís cost us about 600k a week
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: kramer0 on June 10, 2018, 10:04:10 PM
I don't really have any good footballing reasons -- there's not a whole lot to hang on to from his limited appearances last season -- but I like him.

Whether it was delusion or ignorance on the parts of Koeman and Walsh (this is the player you want for your cross heavy, long ball approach?) he found himself in a tough situation last season. I wish him the best whether he stays or goes.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on June 10, 2018, 10:47:57 PM
He was 25m plus wages. Heís cost us about 600k a week

25 mill isn't much for a player these days. The wages we gave him were ridiculous though.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on June 10, 2018, 10:59:10 PM
Has anyone actually got any decent info on this deal or are we all running on a bit of gossip from Turkey, the most reliable of places for football gossip.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bluedylan on June 10, 2018, 11:17:32 PM
Has anyone actually got any decent info on this deal or are we all running on a bit of gossip from Turkey, the most reliable of places for football gossip.

The second one.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 10, 2018, 11:50:08 PM
25 mill isn't much for a player these days. The wages we gave him were ridiculous though.

It is when heís barely done anything and now we are talking about taking 3M over 2 seasons for him. Heís been a spectacular waste of money if this is the end of him here
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ross on June 11, 2018, 12:09:14 AM
I doubt his stock has fallen that low outside of the premier league he nearly got a move to Napoli only a few months back.

If either Klaassen or Everton think itís time to part I reckon thereíll still be a few clubs interested in him considering his pedigree pre Everton. Heís not the first player to struggle in with the physical side and speed of this league and he wonít be the last.

Having said that I expect weíll have to supplement his wages elsewhere if he does move on thereís not many clubs who can afford those sort of figures abroad.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on June 11, 2018, 01:42:48 AM
I don't really have any good footballing reasons -- there's not a whole lot to hang on to from his limited appearances last season -- but I like him.

Whether it was delusion or ignorance on the parts of Koeman and Walsh (this is the player you want for your cross heavy, long ball approach?) he found himself in a tough situation last season. I wish him the best whether he stays or goes.

Think the idea was that the target man would be laying the ball off/ knocking it down to him and his runs from deep into the box.

Probably the biggest casualty from not signing the striker.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on June 11, 2018, 03:53:30 AM
What doesn't help us in all this is everyone knows were keen to offload.  It makes him a prime target to get on the cheap,  why would you spend 20+ million on an unknown quantity outside of Holland,  he's failed to adapt with us so what are the guarantees he'll succeed anywhere else? A loan move is the most logical solution all round if we want to recoup a majority of what we spent, the wages and fee involved will make him far too high a risk outside the premiership to take a punt on.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 11, 2018, 03:55:47 AM
Cheers Davy.

Sorry it didnít work out.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Toddacelli on June 11, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
Think the idea was that the target man would be laying the ball off/ knocking it down to him and his runs from deep into the box.

Probably the biggest casualty from not signing the striker.

100% This.

We haven't had a look at him yet in a system he is suited to but I'm hoping Silva has him in his plans.

He captained a young side to a European final. His fans loved him so much they gave him a standing ovation after he left them for a big money move. He spoke well after being left out, showing character, determination and leadership.

But maybe the only thing that matters is what happens on the pitch?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: hannu on June 11, 2018, 02:48:31 PM
id like to see him given a second chance, no one played well last season, everyone looked dog shit, i am convinced there is a player in there somewhere
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 12, 2018, 12:39:16 AM
Heard Besiktas have turned attention to other options - one being Manuel Fernandes.

We may as well keep Klaassen around anyway... still keen to prove himself here, seems like a good lad, and he could very well be of some use - unlike a dozen or so others in the squad. 
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on June 12, 2018, 01:44:45 AM
Heard Besiktas have turned attention to other options - one being Manuel Fernandes.

We may as well keep Klaassen around anyway... still keen to prove himself here, seems like a good lad, and he could very well be of some use - unlike a dozen or so others in the squad. 

I just don't see where he plays though, especially if Brands wants to give youngsters a go as well. He's not strong enough to tackle a paper bag in central midfield and we have Sig and Vlasic who are more suited to this league as an attacking midfielder. I know he must have something about him to be a well regarded captain of Ajax but I didn't see anything last season to make me think there was a player there.

Still, at £120k/week if we can't offload him as you say we have no choice but to have him around.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on June 12, 2018, 09:59:53 AM
Talking of Sig whenís he fit again?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Polledreng on June 12, 2018, 10:53:05 AM
Talking of Sig whenís he fit again?
has played in Iceland last two friendly scoring a pen in one of the games. Played 90 minuttes or something in total. Should be fit for Argentina
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: dangermouse on June 12, 2018, 03:09:34 PM
Heard Besiktas have turned attention to other options - one being Manuel Fernandes.

We may as well keep Klaassen around anyway... still keen to prove himself here, seems like a good lad, and he could very well be of some use - unlike a dozen or so others in the squad. 

If Fernandes is the alternative they were never really interested in Klassen.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on June 12, 2018, 03:25:29 PM
People trying to say insidefutbol isnít a legit source?

Iím not having that.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 12, 2018, 04:23:41 PM
Pff. Next they will be saying HITC is full of shit...
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on June 12, 2018, 05:49:51 PM
Pff. Next they should be saying HITC is full of shit...

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 12, 2018, 07:22:58 PM
has played in Iceland last two friendly scoring a pen in one of the games. Played 90 minuttes or something in total. Should be fit for Argentina

He scored but it wasn't a pen. It was a delightful, little chip from a tight angle.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Polledreng on June 12, 2018, 07:33:56 PM
He scored but it wasn't a pen. It was a delightful, little chip from a tight angle.
You are right.... but he would have scored a pen if he had played the first half  ;)