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Title: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Everton News on September 29, 2017, 11:03:31 PM
Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy

Everton's Dutch international Davy Klaassen says he needs to improve his game and admits he has struggled to adapt to the Premier League so far.

Source: Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/09/klaassen-adapting-english-game-not-easy/)
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Realist on September 30, 2017, 01:22:26 AM
We know Davy, in your defence the jump from the Dutch league to the prem is similar to going from Sunday league to the prem
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on September 30, 2017, 01:33:37 AM
I am encouraged by his statement. Although players from other countries might say they know about the premier league and what it is like, most if not all do not know until they play in it. A very few will start like a house on fire, but they are the great players. The Shite had one until he bit one player too many. Others adapt and eventually catch up, others fall by the wayside. I really hope Klassen will catch on, if not this season, then next. Koeman knows what the Dutch league consists of. It has happened this way because of other crucial failings in recruitment, and Klassen is consequently in at the deep end up to his neck and struggling; maybe 6 months too early for him.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Martip on September 30, 2017, 01:43:37 AM
Less talk more goals please davey
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on October 17, 2017, 04:41:14 PM
Decent article

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11084471/davy-klaassen-at-everton-where-has-it-all-gone-wrong
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ally2 on October 17, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
I don't know why but I have zero doubt that Klaasen and Sandro are both going to be top drawer for us. It's impossible to come to any conclusions at this stage so some patience is required.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 17, 2017, 05:14:37 PM
Another one who is being played out of position. He's not a Number !0 - he's a box to box midfielder.

Not been impressed at all by him so far, but it took Bergkamp a long time to settle, and plenty of others... so not actually that worried about him. Could def still come good.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
We know Davy, in your defence the jump from the Dutch league to the prem is similar to going from Sunday league to the prem

Bit of an over exaggeration there mate don't you think.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lazarou on October 17, 2017, 06:13:41 PM
No point buying a player who has done well in a specific position/role then not playing him in that position/role. It's just shit management all round not just for him but many of the players.

DCL was wide left on Sunday ffs, it's just bad management.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on October 17, 2017, 06:39:56 PM
Less talk more goals please davey

Are you motivational speaker?
Another one who is being played out of position. He's not a Number !0 - he's a box to box midfielder.

Not been impressed at all by him so far, but it took Bergkamp a long time to settle, and plenty of others... so not actually that worried about him. Could def still come good.

Bingo! Play him alongside MS or IGG, not both together.

Another tactical failing from our Master Technician.

Also, isn't it worth giving Sandro a shot on the left of a 3 man attack, with Lookman/Vlasic or Mirallas on the right?

Argh, getting wound up here. Bloody Koeman.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 17, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
I don't know why but I have zero doubt that Klaasen and Sandro are both going to be top drawer for us. It's impossible to come to any conclusions at this stage so some patience is required.
I agree, i dont understand why they're not in the U23 team. give them some game time/confidence and experience in england,
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 17, 2017, 06:47:50 PM
I agree, i dont understand why they're not in the U23 team. give them some game time/confidence and experience in england,

Are you for real?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 17, 2017, 06:49:45 PM
Are you for real?

as opposed to what? sticking him the first team while he has no confidence, he hasnt got to terms with the pace.. he needs to adapt.. what better way than in a situation where the pressure if off him?

are you for real?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on October 17, 2017, 06:57:46 PM
Another one who is being played out of position. He's not a Number !0 - he's a box to box midfielder.

Not been impressed at all by him so far, but it took Bergkamp a long time to settle, and plenty of others... so not actually that worried about him. Could def still come good.

Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?

I agree he hasnt looked great so far but it was too much too soon I think, Im not confident that he will get the chance to come good if im honest, the Premiership waits for no man and its about taking your chances and hes slipping further down the pecking order.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blargins on October 17, 2017, 07:09:13 PM
Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?

I agree he hasnt looked great so far but it was too much too soon I think, Im not confident that he will get the chance to come good if im honest, the Premiership waits for no man and its about taking your chances and hes slipping further down the pecking order.

No, he was a midfielder for Ajax.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on October 17, 2017, 07:12:02 PM
Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?

I agree he hasnt looked great so far but it was too much too soon I think, Im not confident that he will get the chance to come good if im honest, the Premiership waits for no man and its about taking your chances and hes slipping further down the pecking order.

I believe he played as like a...quiet 8.

He had Dolberg CF and I think maybe Ziyech as a 10 or at least drifted in.

Typically didn't touch the ball a great deal, similar story for holland, but he does pop in and apply a finishing touch or get an assist.

Basically think of gueyes goal, he was like that from what I've heard. Very busy off the ball, harassing and tackling. Doesn't run the game but puts up very good numbers in and around the box.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: van der Meyde on October 17, 2017, 07:19:39 PM
Wasn't he the actual number 10 for Ajax? And when you look at all his goals hes either right up there with the centre forward or playing just off, so I dont think theres much weight to that argument?
He was a bit of a jack of all trades at Ajax. Not many people who watched him over the last couple of years would have described him as a creative player/playmaker though.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 17, 2017, 07:21:00 PM
Also, isn't it worth giving Sandro a shot on the left of a 3 man attack, with Lookman/Vlasic or Mirallas on the right?

Funnily enough I was thinking exactly that when I ate my lunch just now.

Going a bit off topic here, but I don't like Rooney, DCL or Sigurddson being played out wide.  I also don't think Rooney has got the pace to be a number 9 anymore.

So for me - we should be playing DCL or Niasse as the centre forward.

If we are playing 3 upfront we do what you have suggested - ie play wide players in the wide positions.
Or we play one upfront with one of our natural number 10s behind - ie Rooney or Sigurddson .

Then in midfield if we are playing 3, then one of them should be Davies or Klassen as the box to box midfielder. (Or maybe both of them if we really need to go for it ? )
If we are playing 2 in centre midfield, then one of them can do the same job.... or IMO Gana and Morgan could actually work well together as a 2 if the rest of the side is more balanced, like last season.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on October 17, 2017, 08:02:32 PM
Funnily enough I was thinking exactly that when I ate my lunch just now.

Going a bit off topic here, but I don't like Rooney, DCL or Sigurddson being played out wide.  I also don't think Rooney has got the pace to be a number 9 anymore.

So for me - we should be playing DCL or Niasse as the centre forward.

If we are playing 3 upfront we do what you have suggested - ie play wide players in the wide positions.
Or we play one upfront with one of our natural number 10s behind - ie Rooney or Sigurddson .

Then in midfield if we are playing 3, then one of them should be Davies or Klassen as the box to box midfielder. (Or maybe both of them if we really need to go for it ? )
If we are playing 2 in centre midfield, then one of them can do the same job.... or IMO Gana and Morgan could actually work well together as a 2 if the rest of the side is more balanced, like last season.

I agree 100%. It's even more annoying as this is the formation (or a variation of the formation) Koeman used as Southampton. It's all the more galling when you know we do have the players to play that way, yet he won't change it from his slow, narrow formation we stick too now.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 17, 2017, 08:31:26 PM
I agree 100%. It's even more annoying as this is the formation (or a variation of the formation) Koeman used as Southampton. It's all the more galling when you know we do have the players to play that way, yet he won't change it from his slow, narrow formation we stick too now.

I think we do try and play that way but we don't have the players who feel comfortable in those positions. It's either poor recruitment to buy players who don't fit the system or poor management to not play a system to suit the players we have. To try and flog an unworkable system with players who don't look comfortable is just very, very poor management.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 17, 2017, 08:37:40 PM
Clubs like us can't afford top world players so we have to dip into the pool of lesser foreign players and take a chance. That is where the "skills/knowhow" of Walsh is supposed to come into play. The fact that Klassen is currently useless in our present situation, indicates it is a risky business. Klassen given time may turn out to be an adequate squad player and eventually justify most of the big fee paid for him. Ajax like Swansea later, held all the cards and we paid the asking price. Looking around the lower regions of the PL, probably there are many players of Klassen's level who struggle to survive if pitched straight in over their heads. The euphoria on this site when Klassen was signed was probably because coming from a big name like Ajax, he must be good, but sadly he isn't. If the other fella Sandro ever turns into a decent player that would be a major coup for Walsh considering he cost so little.  The jury is still out on both.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 17, 2017, 09:19:43 PM
as opposed to what? sticking him the first team while he has no confidence, he hasnt got to terms with the pace.. he needs to adapt.. what better way than in a situation where the pressure if off him?

are you for real?

Get a player ready for the Premier League by playing him against opponents that are a mixture of kids and players not good enough for their first team.

Laughable shout.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 17, 2017, 09:24:25 PM
The issue he'll have (and it's one that won't be going away anytime soon) is we have too many players in his position. He might well have proven to be a good buy, if we actually needed him. He's battling Davies, Sig, Rooney and now it looks like Vlasic for a place and that's not even taking into account Schneiderlin and Gueye, if he's thought of as being able to play further back.
Needless signing really. £25m that could easily have been put towards a striker.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 17, 2017, 09:45:57 PM
Just got back from Amsterdam, went to Ajax game and they bloody love Klaasen, selling scarves with his face on in the store and everything.

He must be at least half decent.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on October 17, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Clubs like us can't afford top world players so we have to dip into the pool of lesser foreign players and take a chance. That is where the "skills/knowhow" of Walsh is supposed to come into play. The fact that Klassen is currently useless in our present situation, indicates it is a risky business. Klassen given time may turn out to be an adequate squad player and eventually justify most of the big fee paid for him. Ajax like Swansea later, held all the cards and we paid the asking price. Looking around the lower regions of the PL, probably there are many players of Klassen's level who struggle to survive if pitched straight in over their heads. The euphoria on this site when Klassen was signed was probably because coming from a big name like Ajax, he must be good, but sadly he isn't. If the other fella Sandro ever turns into a decent player that would be a major coup for Walsh considering he cost so little.  The jury is still out on both.
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I think the jury, based on comments on here...have debated, returned and sentenced him....

Speaking from experience the difference in styles of play, tempo and even game management between English and not just dutch football is massive..i did it in reverse to klassen and TBH I thought it'd be a doddle going from our fast pace, aggressive style of English football to the more technical slow paced dutch game of the 80's...how wrong I was and for about 6 months I struggled like a C**t even me mates were taking the piss.....couldn't get near the ball for ages and when I got it had so much time and space didn't know what to do with it....then you're closed down quickly and options become limited.....

I think he is good enough to adapt and will come good....and like already mentioned on here the ,managers style and selections are not helping not only him..but other players too...
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 17, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Everyone especially Walsh will hope you are right. His time may come but perhaps not yet.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on October 18, 2017, 01:57:16 AM
Would you class vlasic as a No 10 as well?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 18, 2017, 01:59:57 AM
Would you class vlasic as a No 10 as well?
No
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on October 18, 2017, 02:03:01 AM
Funnily enough I was thinking exactly that when I ate my lunch just now.

Going a bit off topic here, but I don't like Rooney, DCL or Sigurddson being played out wide.  I also don't think Rooney has got the pace to be a number 9 anymore.

So for me - we should be playing DCL or Niasse as the centre forward.

If we are playing 3 upfront we do what you have suggested - ie play wide players in the wide positions.
Or we play one upfront with one of our natural number 10s behind - ie Rooney or Sigurddson .

Then in midfield if we are playing 3, then one of them should be Davies or Klassen as the box to box midfielder. (Or maybe both of them if we really need to go for it ? )
If we are playing 2 in centre midfield, then one of them can do the same job.... or IMO Gana and Morgan could actually work well together as a 2 if the rest of the side is more balanced, like last season.

Yup like it, feel a similar way.

Last time I watched Sandro he was alright as wel and I really warmed to him, then haven't seen him since.

Mad the way bringing Davies into the side last year provided balance and yet this year he's catching splinters.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Realist on October 19, 2017, 11:34:52 PM
Bit of an over exaggeration there mate don't you think.

Nope
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Realist on October 19, 2017, 11:35:18 PM
Are you for real?

Yep
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 12:16:19 AM
Hope he starts tonight
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blue slug on October 20, 2017, 02:04:55 AM
How good was the Dutch league when players like gullitt van basten rykaard bergkamp and kluivert etc played
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueMaquis on October 20, 2017, 02:05:26 AM
Since tonight is not an English game does that mean Klaassen will be good tonight?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on October 20, 2017, 05:21:05 AM
Hard not to think he'll be back at Holland in a year.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:25:16 AM
Thought he was really bad tonight. A couple of 50/50 challenges he shit out of and everyone around me erupted. He was also very sloppy with the ball.

Struggling to see what he offers in this league at the minute. Happy to be proved wrong but looks a bit weak mentally as well as physically.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 20, 2017, 05:25:28 AM
For about 9m if we're lucky
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 05:25:48 AM
Hard not to think he'll be back at Holland in a year.
He won't be the last either
They never seem to fully recover tho that's the sad part
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on October 20, 2017, 05:28:05 AM
He's rather insipid, isn't he.

Ghosts around, not much to him, apart from the odd clever flick from what I've seen.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 05:33:06 AM
Moshiri is loaded so just quietly move Klassen back to Holland at a loss. He will be forgotten in one year.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:34:15 AM
Moshiri is loaded so just quietly move Klassen back to Holland at a loss. He will be forgotten in one year.

What a silly statement.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 05:34:30 AM
Moshiri is loaded so just quietly move Klassen back to Holland at a loss. He will be forgotten in one year.
He isnt tho
He's loaded compared to me
He's fucking skint compared to many owners
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 05:36:02 AM
You must be worse than silly if you think Klassen is worth persevering with. After Koeman goes next week the next manager will bin Klassen toute suite as the Russians say.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: toffee_scot on October 20, 2017, 05:41:43 AM
The fact he was subbed off again in a Europa League tie quite early suggests it will be very difficult for him to find playing time again for Everton especially during this horrendous spell we are going through.

I wouldn't write him off though, there is a good player there but he will need to go out on loan to build his confidence in a league that is sort of half way between Premier League and Eredivisie standard.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 05:44:44 AM
Tranmere?  or if that is too hard maybe Southport. Probably too physical though for his dainty style.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:54:27 AM
Very weak, as a lot of foreign players are in the first six months. Poor signing though. Totally unnecessary.
Title: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: arteta4spain on October 20, 2017, 06:37:09 AM
Wasn't great at all tonight tho I don't think a lot of them were. I don't buy this "he's got good game intelligence and he's ahead of everyone and they're behind his decision making". Absolute bollocks. It does baffle me how a player can be great for one team but be horrific for another. He reminds me of Naismith when he first arrived. Rabbit in headlights etc. But he was often caught out too many times. It was like Lyon were tight to our players from the get go and we couldn't find the space.
He was finding some decent touches towards the end of the first half but he just doesn't seem good enough.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on October 20, 2017, 02:31:03 PM
I still think he will come good; perfect storm of a total loss of confidence alongside a boss who is clueless as to how to set the team up tactically.

Same for Sandro.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Morta75 on October 20, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
Sorry to say it, but Klaassen is not good enough, simple as that. Not premier Leauge quality.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 02:34:00 PM
We don't play him in the right position but he surely has to offer more as a midfielder. He is just a ghost at the moment. Does absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 02:53:32 PM
Was getting shoved off the ball all night. People were saying in Europe he'll show his quality because it's not as physical or fast but he didn't, Lyon were a good team and he offered nothing.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2017, 02:55:54 PM
We don't play him in the right position but he surely has to offer more as a midfielder. He is just a ghost at the moment. Does absolutely nothing.

Ive seen him play centre mid and as a number 10, where is his best position then, on the wing or as a holding midfielder!!? All this were not playing him in his best position holds little water with me, if I played him centre back I would still expect him to be able to pass and not get blown off the ball like a rag doll in the wind, he needs to adapt to the situation hes in and he isnt at the moment.
Better players than Klasseen have failed and transfers are always a gamble, some work, some dont, all the indications are the latter with this one but there is still time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 02:58:15 PM
Can't really defend him after that last night, looks way out of his depth
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 03:08:09 PM
As does Sandro; Keane is not playing like an international (the other two CB's at Burnley look better); Martina is a stop-gap; Sigurdsson is carrying the £45m weight on his shoulders; Pickford and Vlasic justified and first names on the team sheet; Rooney - remember the name
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 03:11:37 PM
Ive seen him play centre mid and as a number 10, where is his best position then, on the wing or as a holding midfielder!!? All this were not playing him in his best position holds little water with me, if I played him centre back I would still expect him to be able to pass and not get blown off the ball like a rag doll in the wind, he needs to adapt to the situation hes in and he isnt at the moment.
Better players than Klasseen have failed and transfers are always a gamble, some work, some dont, all the indications are the latter with this one but there is still time.

I was just pointing out that if you buy a player who has had a good season playing in a particular way which I would have hoped we would have researched then the logical decision would be to play him in that position. To buy him and not really have a role for him is just pointless.

The early season messing around seems to have ruined him already. I was not excusing his ineffective performances far from it, I think even things are not coming off for you, you can still make a impact in other ways especially in midfield.

He looks way out of his depth, physically and mentally.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 20, 2017, 03:12:15 PM
Going to be another Bilyaletdinov I reckon.

Some write him off, others claim he'll come good if played in X position.

The first lot are correct and he gets fucked off in a couple of years time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 20, 2017, 03:29:14 PM
Iím gonna give him a whole season before I write him off completely.

Is there anyone at Ajax we could swap* him for who might actually perform?

*yes swaps are few and far between but......
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 03:33:05 PM
Ajax would be delighted to have him come home and make a fat profit with it. That would not be so bad an outcome. He saves his career and we can stop pretending he is what he clearly isn't. I suspect Koeman wanted him which is a bad sign of his judgement considering he knows Dutch football backwards..
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Koeman has not been afraid to leave Klaassen out or bring him off at half-time

Don't think Koeman's convinced - or that he ever was
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 03:54:02 PM
Koeman was always stressing about how big the jump was from the Dutch league to the Premier League and how you have to be really careful in picking which players will work and which won't.
With Pelle he obviously thought the fact he's a big unit with a good touch would help that transition but with Klaassan nothing he did for Ajax stood out as what we may need. He always looked a player on the fringes of games who would pop up with a goal or an assist after 90 minutes, which is clearly a nice attribute to have but is very reliant on others around you and not your own individual qualities.

He's suffering, as they all are, for playing in a side devoid of structure, confidence and quality throughout.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ross on October 20, 2017, 04:00:33 PM
No point making any judgement calls on him or any of our new signings until we get a proper manager in charge with a concise plan that revolves around modern football methodology.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Rhys on October 20, 2017, 04:05:30 PM
Hard not to think he'll be back at Holland in a year.

Problem is he was Ajax captain and one of their star men, he earned 20k a week. Comes here and gets put on 80k a week it's hard to see any player willing to drop 2-3m a year wages. Kind of situation and could be same with Sandro if he doesnt come good, that City and chelsea got into loads where gave people huge wages compared to their level and have to loan them out for years because people wont pay it and they dont want to take a big drop. Or we pay some of their wages for xxx number of years.

I still believe you'd see more of what he can do and get more from him if you had a good forward that retains possession well and helps with good football around the box because that looks his game sharp passes in tight areas and judging by his record getting in the box to be a goalscoring midfielder. So many times in the Arsenal game last night you had people like Walcott and Wilshere getting involved on the edge of the area with Giroud that we just dont have. But at the same time my problem with him is my problem with Besic, he vanishes for huge spells of games which in centre midfield you cant have.

Gueye isnt great on the ball, Schneiderlin isnt doing the defensive part well and sharpness on the ball lost, and Davies is giving the ball away and getting caught in possession a lot more than he was. But they are always involved, always looking to get on the ball and people criticise if they do things wrong. Too often 10-15 minutes can pass and Klaassen doesnt do anything which just cant do in centre midfield.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ajax_andy on October 20, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
I thought he tried hard last night, once he gave it away a few times his head kind of dropped for a bit but then he was chasing players, getting back, trying to do the dirty side of the game... only thing is that he is at absolute rock bottom with his confidence and Koeman doesn't seem like the kind of manager who helps players out of a slump, he just doesn't have the man management skills... case in point being hauling Klaassen off at half time which will just cripple his confidence further.

While he was trying hard to get back in the game, I can't remember who is was but we had the ball on the right side of the box (just inside it)... probably Vlasic but might have been Holgate... anyway on the replay you see Klaassen take up an unmarked position 18 yards out, centre of the goal, hands outstretched screaming for it... Vlasic or Holgate completely unaware of him and has a shot that's blocked by the defender and goes out for a corner (pretty sure it was Holgate).  So even when he gets in a 'Klaassen' position the other players don't see him.  Holgate pulling it back there and him smashing it in could completely change his confidence levels.

I feel for him, I really do... All my dutch Ajax supporting relatives said he wasn't ready for the PL when we signed him but I really think the manager and our players aren't doing him any favours what so ever.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Martip on October 22, 2017, 02:00:40 AM
Proper low roller this guy....such a waste of air.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 30, 2017, 12:26:06 AM
Not even made the squad for the 2 games Unsworth has had in charge.

Is there an injury or is he still just miles off from being a Premier League player?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Polledreng on October 30, 2017, 12:30:16 AM
Not even made the squad for the 2 games Unsworth has had in charge.

Is there an injury or is he still just miles off from being a Premier League player?
to be fair I Think Unsworth is trying to prove a point with dropping all ourbig money buys exept Pickford and playing the youngsters instead. Without succes if you ask me. Why isnít our Croatien not in the squad when he clearly was our Best player in Koeman last 3 games. ?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 30, 2017, 12:31:59 AM
to be fair I Think Unsworth is trying to prove a point with dropping all ourbig money buys exept Pickford and playing the youngsters instead. Without succes if you ask me. Why isnít our Croatien not in the squad when he clearly was our Best player in Koeman last 3 games. ?

Oh yeah, forgot about him actually
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: DanDan on October 30, 2017, 12:33:08 AM
Oh yeah, forgot about him actually

There was talk he got injured in the Arsenal game
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 10, 2017, 02:06:56 PM
There was talk he got injured in the Arsenal game

Wasn't even in the squad for the Dutch game against Scotland, so this might be right.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 10, 2017, 03:56:50 PM
Wasn't even in the squad for the Dutch game against Scotland, so this might be right.

Think they was on about Vlasic mate
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 10, 2017, 04:05:27 PM
Think they was on about Vlasic mate

Why ? This is a Klaassen thread.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ally2 on November 10, 2017, 04:55:48 PM
Yeah he wasn't in the Dutch squad either.

I hate that some have given up on him. I still think he sees and does things others don't. And I hate that his career has suffered here. It reflects badly on us. And all because he doesn't run around a lot.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 10, 2017, 05:35:38 PM
Yeah he wasn't in the Dutch squad either.

I hate that some have given up on him. I still think he sees and does things others don't. And I hate that his career has suffered here. It reflects badly on us. And all because he doesn't run around a lot.

What rubbish, he's struggled because the game here is vastly different to what he is used to. It's nothing to do with the fact he doesn't run around a lot, however the change in what is expected here may be one of the reasons. He's 10 stone wet through and has no attributes that would make the transition easy. He's a luxury player in a free flowing team and that's not us. At the minute. 
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 10, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
Yeah he wasn't in the Dutch squad either.

I hate that some have given up on him. I still think he sees and does things others don't. And I hate that his career has suffered here. It reflects badly on us. And all because he doesn't run around a lot.

What a load of shite.

What have you seen to suggest the reason people don't like him as a player is because he doesn't run around that much?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 06:04:15 PM
What a load of shite.

What have you seen to suggest the reason people don't like him as a player is because he doesn't run around that much?

That article in the Echo I'm guessing because it can't be based of anything he's done since joining us.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 06:04:44 PM
What a load of shite.

What have you seen to suggest the reason people don't like him as a player is because he doesn't run around that much?

Whoops, wrong reply
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 10, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
I'm hoping that he still makes it. He's been a class act in the way he's handled himself and managed a very difficult situation.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 10, 2017, 06:52:54 PM
Why ? This is a Klaassen thread.

Think things move away from the topic at hand from time to time, as it does on most forums. Have a look at the 100+ page Sandro thread. If every post in there was about Sandro then I'm Robert De Niro
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: hill135 on November 10, 2017, 06:57:42 PM
Running around a lot is about the only thing he does do.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 10, 2017, 07:18:16 PM
Running around a lot is about the only thing he does do.

To be fair he doesn't do enough of that to be a help to the team at the minute. Jogging in between players while the ball flies past him doesn't assist us really and when he does get the ball he does a very good James McCarthy impression of not wanting it and gets rid in case he's caught in possession. I get he's low on confidence and he's come into a difficult situation but we shouldn't really be a respecter of reputations at present, if a couple of teenagers offer more in the centre of the park then they should play ahead of him. Sink or swim time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueForYou on November 10, 2017, 07:25:02 PM
180 mins in the Europa League for Davy
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: cantoffee on November 10, 2017, 07:42:29 PM
Players need time to adapt. I'm not sure his attributes are well suited to the league but we should be giving him time to adjust. In a team full of confidence he might be a completely different player.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 08:41:54 PM
I'm not having this "He's 2 steps ahead of the rest of the team".

Think it's absolute bollocks personally.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cozzie on November 10, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
I'm not having this "He's 2 steps ahead of the rest of the team".

Think it's absolute bollocks personally.

Who's said this.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 10, 2017, 09:32:46 PM
Who's said this.

The Echo and someone a few posts back
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
180 mins in the Europa League for Davy
If Rhino has anything about him he will play Klassen Sandro Vlasic and anyone else who's been pushed out to shoehorn his faves and kids into the squad .
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 10, 2017, 10:40:37 PM
If Rhino has anything about him he will play Klassen Sandro Vlasic and anyone else who's been pushed out to shoehorn his faves and kids into the squad .

Why?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 10:45:59 PM
Why?
They need minutes to and it's a free match ...simple really.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 10, 2017, 10:46:27 PM
If Rhino has anything about him he will play Klassen Sandro Vlasic and anyone else who's been pushed out to shoehorn his faves and kids into the squad .
Rest everyone who played in the pl game before and will play on pl game after and play the rest of them
Squads plenty big enough well, bar a left back
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 10:47:20 PM
Rest everyone who played in the pl game before and will play on pl game after and play the rest of them
Squads plenty big enough well, bar a left back
Exactly Jimmy exactly.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2017, 03:08:52 AM
I'm not having this "He's 2 steps ahead of the rest of the team".

Think it's absolute bollocks personally.

Think it is aswell. When he plays for Holland thatís Ajax heís the same. I think heís a good player but heís supposed to be a really good, bit part player on the pitch who scores goals.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: ally2 on November 11, 2017, 04:36:25 AM
He's played what 5 games for us?  OK he's been off the pace but he's clearly a gifted technical player.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 11, 2017, 03:10:46 PM
He's played what 5 games for us?  OK he's been off the pace but he's clearly a gifted technical player.

Haven't seen anything to say he's technically gifted.

If anything he's limited technically and his game seems to be all about arriving in the box and scoring goals
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blue1948 on November 11, 2017, 07:25:19 PM
Haven't seen anything to say he's technically gifted.

If anything he's limited technically and his game seems to be all about arriving in the box and scoring goals
Compared with let's say Oumar ?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 11, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
He's played what 5 games for us?  OK he's been off the pace but he's clearly a gifted technical player.

Not sure what observations these are based on like.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 11, 2017, 08:50:44 PM
Not sure about technically gifted but I think he's a clever footballer. Passes and moves. Links play sees things apparently scores goals. Like a shit frank lampard

What worries me is that while everyone has been shit some have been completely dropped from the 18 while others continue to keep their places. Id like to see him and sandro get more chances now.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 11, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
The hope is we regain some sort of form and can start integrating Klassen and Sandro back into the team. Theyíre both hard workers but theyíve looked so off the pace no one can complain that theyíve been dropped. The frustrating thing is if we were to sell them, you can guarantee theyíd pick up where they left off before they joined us and weíd all be wondering what might have been.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 11, 2017, 10:08:32 PM
Not sure about technically gifted but I think he's a clever footballer. Passes and moves. Links play sees things apparently scores goals. Like a shit frank lampard

What worries me is that while everyone has been shit some have been completely dropped from the 18 while others continue to keep their places. Id like to see him and sandro get more chances now.
I would play both in the remaining meaningless European games along with any other reserves we can put out to lessen the strain on the main squad. Otherwise I would not let either near the present squad, we have enough problems without adding to them. Of course if those two wipe the floor with Atalanta and the Cypriots etc then maybe give them a chance next month.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 11, 2017, 10:38:46 PM
The hope is we regain some sort of form and can start integrating Klassen and Sandro back into the team. Theyíre both hard workers but theyíve looked so off the pace no one can complain that theyíve been dropped. The frustrating thing is if we were to sell them, you can guarantee theyíd pick up where they left off before they joined us and weíd all be wondering what might have been.

I think it's a bit odd that that don't seem to be able to make any of the 18s now. We aren't blessed with great options or many in form players. Why totally exclude them
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 11, 2017, 10:44:43 PM
Why totally exclude them

Because they look even worse than the other options at this moment in time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 11, 2017, 11:05:26 PM
Because they look even worse than the other options at this moment in time.

But surely we'd hope they've room for vast improvement. I can't believe sandro isn't at least as good an option as DCL and niasse if he finds a little form. Just not sure how he can find it when he can't even make a bench now

Same with klassen has he really been that much worse than Sigurdsson. Surely we could give him 20 minutes for Sigurdsson and see if he can play himself into some form.

We are poor. I'd sooner risk these players in worse form who might have higher ceilings
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Shogun on November 11, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
Some good fixtures coming up for him and Sandro in the next month.

Atalanta at home
West Ham at home
Huddersfield at home
Apollo away

There's been plenty of premier league players who took some time to get going.

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 11, 2017, 11:39:28 PM
A new manager might just try them and we may or may not suffer the consequences. It doesn't look good for them but who knows? Different manager different tactics may be the salvation of one of these two if not both.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 11, 2017, 11:58:27 PM
Some good fixtures coming up for him and Sandro in the next month.

Atalanta at home
West Ham at home
Huddersfield at home
Apollo away

There's been plenty of premier league players who took some time to get going.

i'd actually think they would do better getting to grips with the pace of english football by spending sometime in the premier league b setup, once they get confidence/flowing.. bring them back, but you cant expect them to get any sort of confidence or cohesion with players they wont be playing with week in week out,if they both spend around 6 weeks in the reserves their quality should shine through and bring their confidence up a few levels,
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2017, 12:00:27 AM
i'd actually think they would do better getting to grips with the pace of english football by spending sometime in the premier league b setup, once they get confidence/flowing.. bring them back, but you cant expect them to get any sort of confidence or cohesion with players they wont be playing with week in week out,if they both spend around 6 weeks in the reserves their quality should shine through and bring their confidence up a few levels,

It's good for them to get minutes under their belt but I'm not sure U23 footy will do anything more to help them get up to pace of the PL.

Probably a better idea for Sandro than Klaassen. He's got plenty of attributes, he just seems rusty and massively lacking in confidence with the first team.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 12, 2017, 12:02:31 AM
It's good for them to get minutes under their belt but I'm not sure U23 footy will do anything more to help them get up to pace of the PL.

Probably a better idea for Sandro than Klaassen. He's got plenty of attributes, he just seems rusty and massively lacking in confidence with the first team.

He/they should get that confidence playing against weaker opposition, i'm just afraid if we play them in the games you mentioned,, it would knock them back even further ;/

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2017, 10:35:52 PM
Duplicate.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2017, 10:37:37 PM
He/they should get that confidence playing against weaker opposition, i'm just afraid if we play them in the games you mentioned,, it would knock them back even further ;/



Having a kick about with a load of kids in front of 50 people isn't really getting them up to speed with the pace of Premier League football.

If we give them a chance in the first team and they bomb again then so be it. We don't owe them a living, they either get up to speed and prove themselves or they go somewhere else.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 13, 2017, 12:11:08 AM
Having a kick about with a load of kids in front of 50 people isn't really getting them up to speed with the pace of Premier League football.

An improvement on his previous suggestion of getting them up to PL levels by playing them in the U23s indefinitely tbf.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 12:37:08 AM
How was he?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 25, 2017, 12:40:28 AM
How was he?

Shite
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 25, 2017, 12:40:39 AM
How was he?
Not sure he played tbh
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 25, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Never going to make it here in a million years.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 01:08:31 AM
Fuckin hell the poor lad has truly bombed hasnít he.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Brownie20 on November 25, 2017, 01:16:12 AM
Few nice early passes and put a few tackles in. But the game passed him by after about 30 mins.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 25, 2017, 01:17:31 AM
He was no worse than anyone else tbh and was playing out of position
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: toffee_scot on November 25, 2017, 01:20:00 AM
I had really hoped that he would be a star at Everton but I don't think he's the right player for the club and we need to trim the squad in certain areas, if another club came in with a £20m offer or so I think we would be mad not to accept it.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: bluenuck on November 25, 2017, 01:35:47 AM
I think he's just a good player that has made the wrong move at the wrong time.

He played in a system at Ajax that made every player look even better than they actually were. They were dynamic, moved, short quick passes, made runs, and were well drilled and knew every move every player was going to make.

Then he came here....
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 25, 2017, 01:43:24 AM
I think in a good team he'd shine but he's never gonna get a poor team out the shit. He's got a great touch but needs better players around him...physically he's light but he's a good footballer I reckon
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on November 25, 2017, 01:45:27 AM
Didn't seem to know where he was meant to be playing, either that or he was just trying to impress and ended up here, there and everywhere without actually getting anywhere.

To be fair he did carry Martina around for large parts of the game.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on November 25, 2017, 01:52:51 AM
Canít believe anyone thought 4-4-2 with a left side of Martina and Klaassen was ever going to be good...
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on November 25, 2017, 01:59:43 AM
I think he's just a good player that has made the wrong move at the wrong time.

He played in a system at Ajax that made every player look even better than they actually were. They were dynamic, moved, short quick passes, made runs, and were well drilled and knew every move every player was going to make.

Then he came here....
One thing we are not is dynamic. Diabolical yes.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on November 25, 2017, 02:00:14 AM
The lad has no chance of shining right now. That's not on him
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 02:02:31 AM
Canít believe anyone thought 4-4-2 with a left side of Martina and Klaassen was ever going to be good...

Oh my god is that how we lined up?

Is unsworth trying to intentionally not only not get the Everton job but not get any job in the future?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blueToffee on November 25, 2017, 02:03:03 AM
We'll have to wait and see whether a different approach by another manager will help him, given up trying to assess him right now. The problem is for me the only other time I've seen him play was the EL final versus Man Utd and he was anonymous then too. I'd feel a bit more confident had I seen more of him.

I do think he'd be better getting in and around the box though. I do think he can finish.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on November 25, 2017, 02:33:16 AM
Oh my god is that how we lined up?

Is unsworth trying to intentionally not only not get the Everton job but not get any job in the future?

Unsworth disappointing me saying things like lads making his job easier with performances last night. Some of those players have had far less time to impress than players Unsworth and people to that Koeman persist with no matter how shite they play.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on November 25, 2017, 02:38:04 AM
Yeah, worth pointing out he started on the left.

I reckon in a team that plays how he likes to play he can be a very good player.

Unfortunately he's playing in a team that create two chances a game and one that can't pass the ball so he has no chance.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on November 25, 2017, 02:40:56 AM
Yeah I donít think his game is based on constant involvement; so if the team is rubbish itís very hard to build up possession and positions that will enable him to get up around and in the box.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on November 25, 2017, 02:42:00 AM
He just ainít very good. If you need to be playing with players who are at the top of their game, against poor opposition and to always be playing with confidence to play your game then youíre no baller.

Youíve got to have some individual attributes to make it at the top level and not have to rely on everyone else around you to shine. Granted no-one has looked decent this season but thatís because the squad is filled with average players and we might just have to accept that to a man this squad is very, very average. Klaassan included.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 25, 2017, 02:42:01 AM
He was made to look a Tit by our selection and the players around him.
He would go press by himself and nobody would go with him so they passed around him. The  he was out of position.

Us being shite and having not arsed players is making him look a lot worse.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Major Clanger on November 25, 2017, 02:44:53 AM
He was made to look a Tit by our selection and the players around him.

Also by the fact that he's shit.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 03:05:01 AM
Unsworth disappointing me saying things like lads making his job easier with performances last night. Some of those players have had far less time to impress than players Unsworth and people to that Koeman persist with no matter how shite they play.

Donít worry about the fat PE teacher mate, wonít be here much longer.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 25, 2017, 03:24:19 AM
Donít worry about the fat PE teacher mate, wonít be here much longer.

Meow!
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 25, 2017, 04:25:43 AM
He'll come good, guarantee it.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on November 25, 2017, 04:41:12 AM
Canít believe anyone thought 4-4-2 with a left side of Martina and Klaassen was ever going to be good...

 Christ 😳

As @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) suggested, I don't think anyone dreamed we would have a left side like that.

Surely Unsworth/Royle are a bit insane 🤔
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: sam of the south on November 25, 2017, 04:44:04 AM
He was made to look a Tit by our selection and the players around him.
He would go press by himself and nobody would go with him so they passed around him. The  he was out of position.

Us being shite and having not arsed players is making him look a lot worse.

I don't think the players aren't arsed.

I just think they've been coached cluelessly, particularly when it comes to pressing.

It takes real synchronisation and planning to get it right, and I think Koeman just told them to "preshh" without actually knowing how to coach it. 
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 25, 2017, 03:53:10 PM
Oh my god is that how we lined up?

Is unsworth trying to intentionally not only not get the Everton job but not get any job in the future?

Ha.  Thought the same. A line-up so outlandish I thought @GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) was just making shit up.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: arteta4spain on November 25, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Just said to a mate he reminds me of a cross between Andy Johnson and Steven Naismith!
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 26, 2017, 03:08:44 PM
Just said to a mate he reminds me of a cross between Andy Johnson and Steven Naismith!

Bants.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 26, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
What has happened to Stevie Naismith? He never seems to be in the Norwich first team.  Perhaps they transferred him.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 30, 2017, 01:59:51 AM
This bag of shite not even on the bench again
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: kramer0 on November 30, 2017, 02:12:45 AM
I can see him as a useful source of goals, scoring off of knockdowns from whatever big lump of a forward we sign in January.

It's a role that requires good anticipation and the ability to finish (both of which he has) but doesn't require him to get on the ball regularly (which is clearly not his style).
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: piggypop on November 30, 2017, 06:09:24 PM
I reckon he's our new Bilyaletdinov. You can see he has talent but I just don't think he is suited to the Premier League. Until he leaves the club we'll probably want him to play in the position he doesn't seem to get much of a chance in.
It's a shame as we'd all love to see a midfielder arriving late and scoring hatfuls of goals like lampard.
And I certainly can't see him suiting an allardyce team, which is all about stats and productivity.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on November 30, 2017, 08:35:52 PM
Well if he does not or cannot take this great chance to impress and start with a clean slate with a new manager and coach, then he should be binned  in January along with Sandro and one or two others. Klassen may join the list of the most expensive flops in our history. I hope somehow he can turn his fortunes around.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 19, 2017, 03:24:40 AM
9th PL game on the bounce this fella hasn't even made the squad.

Was an unused sub in the 3 games prior to that.

Bye bye January I think.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 03:52:21 AM
9th PL game on the bounce this fella hasn't even made the squad.

Was an unused sub in the 3 games prior to that.

Bye bye January I think.

£15m+ and I'd snap your hand off. Put the money towards a replacement for Baines.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: TheRam on December 19, 2017, 04:10:34 AM
Wayne Rooney is so socially awkward.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Mac934 on December 19, 2017, 04:13:09 AM
Klassen did the exactly set the world alight with the young 'uns in the dead rubber either, so no great loss I don't think.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Risky on December 19, 2017, 04:23:26 AM
I kind of hope that the solidity and improved form we're building will actually be the foundations to start reintegrating the likes of Klaassen and Sandro back in to the squad.  It's pretty hard to judge them based on what's happened so far this season, and perhaps taking them out of the firing line is actually going to do them a world of good.  Much easier for these players to adapt playing in a team that's in form and playing well, rather than the absolute shambles they were trying to find their feet in.

I really don't see any benefit in getting rid in January, unless Allardyce has completely made his mind up already.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 04:27:35 AM
I kind of hope that the solidity and improved form we're building will actually be the foundations to start reintegrating the likes of Klaassen and Sandro back in to the squad.  It's pretty hard to judge them based on what's happened so far this season, and perhaps taking them out of the firing line is actually going to do them a world of good.  Much easier for these players to adapt playing in a team that's in form and playing well, rather than the absolute shambles they were trying to find their feet in.

I really don't see any benefit in getting rid in January, unless Allardyce has completely made his mind up already.

Or unless it's sell to buy, which wouldn't be unreasonable in January.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: therealdunc on December 19, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
The news from finch farm is Klassen is not good enough, itís as simple as that.

Wish him well that he gets a move and it works out well.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 02:05:57 PM
Just shows you how poor Dutch football is
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 19, 2017, 02:08:00 PM
Just shows you how poor Europa League football is

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 19, 2017, 03:02:23 PM
Loan back to Ajax in Jan with an 'Undisclosed Fee' permanent deal in the summer
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Simon Paul on December 19, 2017, 03:28:50 PM
Maybe his Uncle Rob can take him to his next club
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 19, 2017, 04:31:34 PM
Maybe his Uncle Rob can take him to his next club

That supposed to be Ron?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Hawkandro on December 19, 2017, 04:43:17 PM
Or unless it's sell to buy, which wouldn't be unreasonable in January.

In an ideal world, I would be looking at off-loading McCarthy, Besic and Schneiderlin before Klaassen.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 04:45:26 PM
The next Bergkamp they said

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: everton1952 on December 19, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
Koeman must take most of the blame for Klassen. He surely knew Dutch football levels and their top players more than anyone at Everton. Who knows, Klassen may be found a role here but probably will go down as one of the biggest wastes of money for a long time.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Simon Paul on December 19, 2017, 08:59:28 PM
That supposed to be Ron?

Imagine a world without typo's
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 31, 2017, 03:48:10 AM
Heís done here, isnít he? If he canít get a game when weíre so short of players and those that are available, arenít properly fit, then heís got no chance.

It would be a shame if he was let go with out a fair crack but 3 managers have now overlooked him so surely heís got to take a look at himself.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on December 31, 2017, 03:49:08 AM
Throw him in, give him a go ffs
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on December 31, 2017, 04:02:02 AM
It's fucking ridiculous he isn't at least on the bench
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on December 31, 2017, 04:21:53 AM
It's fucking ridiculous he isn't at least on the bench
Why is it? If he isn't performing in training or doing what's asked of him then what image would that portray to those that are, if he was selected? I think every player should be treated the same and you get what you deserve regardless if you cost 25 million or a free.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Silas on December 31, 2017, 04:28:38 AM
Why is it? If he isn't performing in training or doing what's asked of him then what image would that portray to those that are, if he was selected? I think every player should be treated the same and you get what you deserve regardless if you cost 25 million or a free.

Every man and his dog has had their chance now. Why not him?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Waltzer on December 31, 2017, 04:39:25 AM
Every man and his dog has had their chance now. Why not him?
Ask him, it's like you said, everyone has been given a chance except him so clearly he isn't doing something that others are. I'd say it says more about Klassens character and drive if we've got kids getting a run out or showing more in training that they're taking his place in the squad.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 06:39:09 AM
Ask him, it's like you said, everyone has been given a chance except him so clearly he isn't doing something that others are. I'd say it says more about Klassens character and drive if we've got kids getting a run out or showing more in training that they're taking his place in the squad.

Ronald Koeman, the feller who signed him didnít give him much of a chance , what does that tell you about his ability?

He was signed as Ronaldís inside man in the dressing room and to get us deep into the Europa league.
I canít think of any other reason?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: toffee_scot on December 31, 2017, 07:07:50 AM
This season, Everton have been managed by Koeman, Unsworth and Allardyce. Koeman of course brought Klaassen here and with the Dutch connection I thought he'd be a key player but very early on Koeman used him less and less until he was just simply someone taking up space on the subs bench. Unsworth didn't seem confident to utilise him when he was caretaker manager and now Sam Allardyce does not include him.

I think this is very much a case of Klaassen not settling or adapting to the English game and none of the three managers have been impressed by him. I expect he will be on the move in January, at least on loan to another club.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on December 31, 2017, 07:12:04 AM
Deserves a crack, mind you hes meant hes a creative player so doesn't fit into Allardyces tactics
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2017, 08:17:45 AM
Must be absolute garbage in training mustnít he.

Canít get my head around a player good enough to play for Ajax at that level who canít get near the Everton squad? Must be more to him than what weíve seen. Play him instead of one of your defensive midfielders maybe.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Juanito on December 31, 2017, 01:02:48 PM
Iím sure he would have been more effective than James McCarthy yesterday. Especially with a Ďshieldí of Gana and Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
Deserves a crack, mind you hes meant hes a creative player so doesn't fit into Allardyces tactics

Of course itís all Alladryce fault!

Not like the guy who signed him played him every game
Or
When he played he was like Messi

No itís all big sams fault, no appropriate lack of respect  here !!!  lolol
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: eugene on December 31, 2017, 03:00:24 PM
Think heís just at the wrong club at the wrong time, koeman went all out to install a type of football he believed we could play without fully understanding how his new signings would knit together.
When it didnít work there was no plan B.
He needs to go out on loan or be sold because the whole model has now changed
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Cassius on December 31, 2017, 03:05:30 PM
Of course itís all Alladryce fault!

Not like the guy who signed him played him every game
Or
When he played he was like Messi

No itís all big sams fault, no appropriate lack of respect  here !!!  lolol

Fuck me you're properly touchy, aren't you?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Macca77 on December 31, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Of course itís all Alladryce fault!

Not like the guy who signed him played him every game
Or
When he played he was like Messi

No itís all big sams fault, no appropriate lack of respect  here !!!  lolol

Where did i say it was his fault?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 06, 2018, 10:47:55 PM
I think heís trying to tell us something
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Shogun on January 06, 2018, 11:08:00 PM
Considering weíve pretty much nothing to play for (or at least shouldnít do if we win a few games) then we should be trying to get him and Sandro into the team as much as possible for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GLewis on January 06, 2018, 11:13:50 PM
Considering weíve pretty much nothing to play for (or at least shouldnít do if we win a few games) then we should be trying to get him and Sandro into the team as much as possible for the rest of the season.

Yeah weíre going to have to win a few more games yet before anyone is beginning to think of that sort of idea.

A lot will depend on if theyíre willing to stick around though.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on January 06, 2018, 11:16:37 PM
Sam couldvery well rotate all these players now ...but he will stick to bring overly defensive imho ....even after the golden 40 points.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Alanvideo on January 06, 2018, 11:26:09 PM
In the short time I've seen Klaasen on the pitch he looks skilful but physically weak ,like an even weaker version of Ossie.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 22, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
Can Davy really be that much worse than Schneiderlin for us to not try him in a side, against lower opposition, at home, where we should be attacking more ? I really think if we gave him  and Gueye a run of games we could actually be more productive from midfield.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on January 22, 2018, 09:31:39 PM
some people have to realise.....just because he's not playing doesn't mean he's shit in training....

for me its more a case of the manager doesn't think he'll fit into his system....

and lets face it having an attacking midfielder in our team....well current performances sez it all.....
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 22, 2018, 09:40:14 PM
some people have to realise.....just because he's not playing doesn't mean he's shit in training....

for me its more a case of the manager doesn't think he'll fit into his system....

and lets face it having an attacking midfielder in our team....well current performances sez it all.....
Koeman and Unsworth didnít fancy him either
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on January 22, 2018, 09:53:07 PM
I think when you spend the thick end of £25m on a player you need to give him a bit more than 190 minutes in the Premier League to get him used to it, even the games he started he didn't get more than an hour, proper confidence sapping treatment. Short of taking his locker off him I think it's a bit shite the way he's been treated, especially by Koeman who wanted him then pretty much flung him on the scrapheap without giving him much of a chance.

Ironically the only two games where he was played for 90 minutes we won 3-0.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 22, 2018, 09:57:14 PM
He's had 6 months to get up to speed and still Sam said he's not showing enough in training to warrant a place in the squad. I suppose he's a Rooney/Sig-lite and if he can't find a place for both of them at once then he's not going to find a slot for Klaassan.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on January 22, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
at least they both tried him though....

I think its too easy to discard a player and use the excuse that he doesn't fit the system.....

players make systems not the other way around.......and continued non use of any player doesn't give them the opportunity to fit in

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: blueToffee on January 22, 2018, 10:11:33 PM
There has got to be a fair amount of discontent in the squad at the moment. It can't be a great atmosphere around Finch Farm.

Klaassen, Sandro, Vlasic, Lookman, Davies, Robles, Keane, possibly even Rooney to a degree can't be over the moon with their personal situations right now. Add in even maybe Jagielka being pushed to the periphery and most of the team he's used to leaving, Baines and Coleman and now McCarthy out injured...I dunno it doesn't strike me as a situation where players would be in particularly great spirits.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: kramer0 on January 22, 2018, 10:19:35 PM
It's relevant enough so here are some scattered thoughts on the midfield.

I think we generally look most competent with a midfield three, provided we have the right mix. In particular, we need:

1. someone who defends - Gana, Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Bangingime
2. someone who plays box-to-box - Davies, Klaassen (?)
3. someone capable of applying the final pass/finish - Sigurdsson, Rooney, Klaassen (?)

You can see the problem from a squad construction point-of-view. We have too many one-note defensive types and not enough players capable of affecting games going forward.

I'm not sure where Klaassen falls between 2 and 3. Ajax supporters seemed adamant that he was a box-to-box player but he hasn't influenced games much when he's played in that role. All of his best contributions have been deft touches or clever bits of movement around the penalty area to create chances for teammates/himself, which suggests to me that he's more of a "finisher."

I think where we've generally gone wrong over the past season-and-a-half is that we play too many players from category 1, which causes problems getting the ball into the final third, creating/scoring chances, and, strangely enough, defending (when we play 2 DMs, neither stays put, often leaving too much space in front of the defense). Koeman ran into this issue with the Schneiderlin/Gana combo after AFCON last season and at the beginning of this season. Allardyce is running into it again now, for some reason (he started with the balanced Gana-Davies-Rooney trio and hasn't gone back to it). Take Saturday, for instance. One of the reasons we were so ineffective in attack is that West Brom regularly forced us to check back to McCarthy when we built down the right and McCarthy isn't any good in the final third (they did the same thing with Cuco on the left but, unfortunately, we don't have another option at LB right now unless you're a Garbutt fan).

Allardyce would do well to stick with only one defensive type from now on. Any decent football we've played has come from that type of configuration. It's the only way we get any sort of control of the ball. Two DMs in a midfield three means lots of hoofs with no one to feed off the scraps.

If he absolutely has to play two DMs and go full-on anti-football, he should consider changing the shape to a 4-4-2, with another central player further forward to feed off of knockdowns from Tosun. Walcott, or maybe even Klaassen, might fit that role (Niasse needs to be kept on the bench; he's a fantastic sub).
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: gizzblue on January 22, 2018, 10:31:03 PM
It's relevant enough so here are some scattered thoughts on the midfield.

I think we generally look most competent with a midfield three, provided we have the right mix. In particular, we need:

1. someone who defends - Gana, Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Bangingime
2. someone who plays box-to-box - Davies, Klaassen (?)
3. someone capable of applying the final pass/finish - Sigurdsson, Rooney, Klaassen (?)

You can see the problem from a squad construction point-of-view. We have too many one-note defensive types and not enough players capable of affecting games going forward.

I'm not sure where Klaassen falls between 2 and 3. Ajax supporters seemed adamant that he was a box-to-box player but he hasn't influenced games much when he's played in that role. All of his best contributions have been deft touches or clever bits of movement around the penalty area to create chances for teammates/himself, which suggests to me that he's more of a "finisher."

I think where we've generally gone wrong over the past season-and-a-half is that we play too many players from category 1, which causes problems getting the ball into the final third, creating/scoring chances, and, strangely enough, defending (when we play 2 DMs, neither stays put, leaving a ton of space in front of the defense). Koeman ran into this issue with the Schneiderlin/Gana combo after AFCON last year and at the beginning of this season. Allardyce is running into it again now, for some reason (he started with the balanced Gana-Davies-Rooney trio and hasn't gone back to it). Take Saturday, for instance. One of the reasons we were so ineffective in attack is that West Brom regularly forced us to check back to McCarthy when we built down the right and McCarthy isn't any good in the final third (they did the same thing with Cuco on the left but, unfortunately, we don't have another option at LB right now unless you're a Garbutt fan).

Allardyce would do well to stick with only one defensive type from now on. Any decent football we've played has come from that type of configuration. It's the only way get any sort of control over the ball. Two DMs in a midfield three means loads of hoofs with no one to feed off the scraps.

If he absolutely has to play two DMs and go full-on anti-football, he should consider changing the shape to a 4-4-2, with another central player to feed off of knockdowns from Tosun. Walcott, or maybe even Klaassen, might fit that role (Niasse needs to be kept on the bench; he's a fantastic sub).
This is brilliantly analytic of our situation ....how many years sports science did you do 😛👍.

In all seriousness though yet another fan can read perfectly the situations but the management wont even try it any other way ...fucking useless.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Juanito on January 23, 2018, 01:47:16 AM
He's had 6 months to get up to speed and still Sam said he's not showing enough in training to warrant a place in the squad. I suppose he's a Rooney/Sig-lite and if he can't find a place for both of them at once then he's not going to find a slot for Klaassan.



45 million on Sigurdsson
24 million on Klaassen
150,000 on Rooney

All to occupy one position, while a reserve right back occupies our left back slot. Walsh, do one.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: cantoffee on January 23, 2018, 01:55:27 AM
To be honest I have no idea what type of player he is.

Basically all I can say is that he seems to have a decent touch and maybe a clever bit of play in him.

Doesn't seem to fit the box to box mould, doesn't seem the type to put his foot on the ball, doesn't seem to have a range of passing, seems weak in the air and the tackle.

Maybe he'll prove to fit in and he admittedly has not had much time to settle in and get minutes but I really can't see what he brings to the side.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 23, 2018, 01:58:44 AM
He's had 6 months to get up to speed and still Sam said he's not showing enough in training to warrant a place in the squad. I suppose he's a Rooney/Sig-lite and if he can't find a place for both of them at once then he's not going to find a slot for Klaassan.

Could be he knows thereís no space for all 3 and politically itís easiest by far to get rid of Klaassen so why bother even giving him a chance.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: eugene on January 23, 2018, 02:04:24 AM
Koeman and Unsworth didn't fancy him either
From the little I have seen from klaassen, he seams to do a lot of running around without taking the ball with him!
The premier league may just be a little too alien.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 23, 2018, 02:05:58 AM
And I donít factor Unsworths dismissal of him as meaning much. Unsworthís team selections were very much trying to make the point to our board that he thought our transfer activity was a disaster. Look at his first team in his first game vs Chelsea - almost none of the new boys in there: Pickford, Baines, Williams, Jags, JJK, mirallas, Davies, Beni, Lennon, Rooney.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 02:16:32 AM
Could be he knows thereís no space for all 3 and politically itís easiest by far to get rid of Klaassen so why bother even giving him a chance.

Could be a bit of that as well. Itíd pay for a new left back if he can tempt a buyer in the summer.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: brap2 on January 23, 2018, 02:16:52 AM
Donít think you should write anyone off until they have had a year at a club to find their feet, particularly if itís a new county. That goes double if itís a club in turmoil which tbf we have been.

Signs have not been great, but wouldnít want to lose him, especially at a loss.

Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 23, 2018, 02:53:35 AM
I think he showed signs of intelligent play early on, but suffered badly as a result of the entire teams lack of confidence and lack of movement.

I think we'd see a different player if he was at arsenal or even Bournemouth
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Gash on January 23, 2018, 03:02:14 AM
He's had 6 months to get up to speed and still Sam said he's not showing enough in training to warrant a place in the squad. I suppose he's a Rooney/Sig-lite and if he can't find a place for both of them at once then he's not going to find a slot for Klaassan.

He's not really had 6 months to get up to speed though, you can only do so much in training to try and impress but the only way he's really going to get sharp is playing games. He hasn't even been given a game by Allardyce other than Limassol and Allardyce wasn't even at that one. A total of ten games at an average of 43 minutes per game isn't really getting the chance to learn the league and get any sort of match sharpness.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Jamokachi on January 23, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
I hope he's been locked in the gym.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 23, 2018, 03:04:23 PM
I really think we have a slick player here who would be able to release the ball quickly to the likes of Walcott and Tosun, he wasn't the captain of Ajax just for having nice blonde hair and a cute face. We have lost the ability of the one touch football that we had with the likes of Ossie, Baines and Pienaar, the type of football that doesn't allow the opposing side to mark every player making us pass backwards and sideways. Fuck me our players have the skill set to do this, its so infuriating that we are scared of trying to play attacking football anymore, if we could then that's when Davy would shine, I'm pretty sure of it.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
To play Klaassan would mean dropping Sig/Rooney. Isn't gonna happen when these boys have proven themselves as great players in this league. Just a very poor signing, completely unnecessary and needs to be moved on so we can find players we need.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: bigmanbob on January 23, 2018, 05:24:52 PM
To play Klaassan would mean dropping Sig/Rooney. Isn't gonna happen when these boys have proven themselves as great players in this league. Just a very poor signing, completely unnecessary and needs to be moved on so we can find players we need.
I'm not advocating playing Klaassen but that's a strange statement IMHO. Both Rooney and Sig  have proven themselves as great players in this league, but neither have performed well enough in the no 10 role to say they should consistently play there
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 23, 2018, 05:30:45 PM
To play Klaassan would mean dropping Sig/Rooney. Isn't gonna happen when these boys have proven themselves as great players in this league. Just a very poor signing, completely unnecessary and needs to be moved on so we can find players we need.
Well yes they have proved to be great players, but from here on in they (especially Rooney) will be on the decline due to age, we can't keep hold of these ageing players and not replace them, we need to change our style of play which will then allow changes to be made, until then sadly we are going nowhere fast and the likes of Davy will stagnate along with Sandro et al.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on January 23, 2018, 05:34:41 PM
football like most sport is a game of fine margins....

klaassen had a couple of goal opportunities in those early games, which to be fair he was only inches away from.....but still there...

easy with hindsight...but if those chances had been converted I believe we'd be looking at a different player who would be a regular in our first team.....

unfortunately...chances not taken..team in turmoil and the manager who buys him gets sacked....result = where is the klaassen we bought ?
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 05:36:49 PM
I'm not advocating playing Klaassen but that's a strange statement IMHO. Both Rooney and Sig  have proven themselves as great players in this league, but neither have performed well enough in the no 10 role to say they should consistently play there

I agree but it looks like from Sam's perspective, with an 18 month contract, that he's going to rely on proven experience. It's a consequence of the board's short term appointment I'm afraid.
Title: Re: [News]Klaassen: Adapting to English game has not been easy
Post by: formerKHL on January 23, 2018, 06:05:43 PM
I agree but it looks like from Sam's perspective, with an 18 month contract, that he's going to rely on proven experience. It's a consequence of the board's short term appointment I'm afraid.

and this is the very reason for the poor brand of football we're currently playing..