Post by: Brownie on October 23, 2017, 07:35:13 PM
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Post by: formerKHL on October 23, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
Post by: Cassius on October 23, 2017, 07:38:25 PM
I hope we've got a replacement lined up.
Post by: Redartin on October 23, 2017, 07:38:32 PM
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Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 07:39:00 PM
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Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 07:41:27 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 07:41:29 PM
Fair play to Farhad came up to watch, slept on it then fired his ass.
Post by: dekko on October 23, 2017, 07:41:32 PM
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Post by: formerKHL on October 23, 2017, 07:42:03 PM
Post by: hackersunite on October 23, 2017, 07:42:11 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 07:42:20 PM
Post by: Redartin on October 23, 2017, 07:42:58 PM
please please dont fuck up this replacement....
Like a Frank de Boer type?
He will probably apply again.
Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 07:43:29 PM
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 23, 2017, 07:43:47 PM
please please dont fuck up this replacement....
The Smiths??
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 23, 2017, 07:44:31 PM
Post by: dazfrancis on October 23, 2017, 07:44:59 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
Post by: hackersunite on October 23, 2017, 07:45:33 PM
Ancelotti - don't think so. More chance of landing Lukaku back on loan.
Moyes- nope!
Big sam - no no no no.
Frank de Boer - no.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 23, 2017, 07:45:37 PM
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Post by: sam of the south on October 23, 2017, 07:45:57 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 07:46:59 PM
I am actually excited for the first time in weeks regarding Everton.
wednesdays game will soon knock that out of you, behave lid
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on October 23, 2017, 07:46:59 PM
Post by: christiffa25 on October 23, 2017, 07:47:01 PM
Not even because of the results or league table. The way we were playing was behond a joke. And he just kept with same shit expecting different results.
He deserved to go !!
Good riddance
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 07:48:30 PM
What do you want now?
3 wins on the bounce? 17th place to avoid relegation? A busy January in the transfer market? FA Cup? Attacking football?
Cheer the new manager before he's started? How long will give him? How will you feel if he loses the first 3 games?
Nervous
Post by: Macca77 on October 23, 2017, 07:49:10 PM
Post by: gizzblue on October 23, 2017, 07:49:17 PM
Wooooowhhhho
Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 07:49:47 PM
You've got what you wanted
What do you want now?
3 wins on the bounce? 17th place to avoid relegation? A busy January in the transfer market? FA Cup? Attacking football?
Cheer the new manager before he's started? How long will give him? How will you feel if he loses the first 3 games?
Nervous
Why do you write like you're in an old TV show?
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 23, 2017, 07:49:53 PM
Post by: ally2 on October 23, 2017, 07:50:01 PM
The reality though is that we might find it difficult to get a suitable replacement, and, like it or not, us sacking a manager is failure, and nobody should be reveling in it.
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on October 23, 2017, 07:50:32 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on October 23, 2017, 07:51:02 PM
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 07:51:24 PM
Post by: kewns23 on October 23, 2017, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 07:52:14 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on October 23, 2017, 07:52:29 PM
Post by: toffee_scot on October 23, 2017, 07:52:50 PM
Now we will have to see what happens, I hope the board have an idea of who to bring in.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 23, 2017, 07:55:46 PM
not going to be easy viewing lads neeed 3 quick wins
Post by: Crackling on October 23, 2017, 07:55:51 PM
Now get Barkley signed upGraham Beecroft on talksport reckons there were major problems within the squad because of how badly Koeman treated certain players. It's probably safe to assume one of those is Barkley.
Post by: dangermouse on October 23, 2017, 07:56:37 PM
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 07:56:54 PM
Post by: Cozzie on October 23, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
I mean this in the sense that none of the so called big 6 would have stood for this if the same where to happen there.
Atleast Moshiri has the balls to make a decision like this. Kenwright would have been all loevy dovey again and Koeman would still be around.
The next appointment will be interesting.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 23, 2017, 07:58:23 PM
Thanks for last season....................... .....(Tumbleweed)
Horrendous deja vu....
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 07:58:40 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:00:12 PM
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 23, 2017, 08:00:30 PM
The thing that delights me most about this decision, isn't so much that he has gone, but its the type of decisions BIG clubs make.Moshiri has the financial clout to do it. Bill didn't.
I mean this in the sense that none of the so called big 6 woulf have stoof for this if the same where to happen there.
Atleast Moshiri has the balls to make a decision like this. Kenwright would have been all loevy dovey again and Koeman would still be around.
The next appointment will be interesting.
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 08:00:54 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:01:04 PM
What is Joe Bloggs going to do with crap like Klassen, Williams and Sandro that Koeman did not do? Hey, I am the new boss and I command want you to suddenly become PL standard players cos I tell you to?
They're not crap. Get a friggin grip.
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:01:27 PM
Graham Beecroft on talksport reckons there were major problems within the squad because of how badly Koeman treated certain players. It's probably safe to assume one of those is Barkley.
I'm still waiting for the milkman to let loose with his tales from 2 years ago.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 23, 2017, 08:01:42 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 08:02:25 PM
They're not crap. Get a friggin grip.
Nah but it'll take a hell of a man manager to get these players out of their slumps mate. I just hope we don't fuck it up and get Big Sam. Personally I think we'll get Eddie Howe but I want Tuchel or Silva.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 23, 2017, 08:02:25 PM
Post by: dangermouse on October 23, 2017, 08:02:33 PM
They're not crap. Get a friggin grip.
But they are not suddenly going to start performing either....
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:02:51 PM
Anyone else heard that he's had his full contract paid out?
No wonder he was at San Carlo's and Neighbourhood. Have you seen the price of a round in there?
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 08:03:59 PM
I wonder how much that has cost?
If you can buy the Liver building so you have nice office facing Bramley Moore then we probably don't need to worry about it.
Disclaimer: The purchase of the building may also make financial sense.
Post by: dangermouse on October 23, 2017, 08:04:13 PM
Nah but it'll take a hell of a man manager to get these players out of their slumps mate. I just hope we don't fuck it up and get Big Sam. Personally I think we'll get Eddie Howe but I want Tuchel or Silva.
I can only see us taking a massive step backwards :(
Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 08:05:09 PM
I can only see us taking a massive step backwards :(
If we get Big Sam, we will stay up at least... yay
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:06:02 PM
I can only see us taking a massive step backwards :(
How can you step backwards from being the worst team in the league?
Post by: dangermouse on October 23, 2017, 08:06:43 PM
If we get Big Sam, we will stay up at least... yay
People expecting Ancelotti or similar are going to be very disappointed. :(
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 23, 2017, 08:07:34 PM
This isn't going to be an easy season, not entirely sure who the best appointment will be but here are a few thoughts on some possible candidates
David Moyes - fuck right off. Seriously if you are considering him you are basically saying you don't want success. Will he magically spring back to how he had us when he finished 4th with us in 04/05 like 13 years ago?or is it more likely he will be the total train wreck of a manager that he was in his last 3 jobs at Man United where he undid a legacy in about 8 months, sociedad where he bombed or Sunderland where he finally relegated a side who had managed to stay up doing the bare minimum for years?
David Unsworth - no management experience. Has done great work with the youth players. All round good guy. Too risky an appointment?better than giving Moyes a try for me just because we would be trying something new. Has worked with lots of the youngsters so we would deem him likely to give them a chance
Carlo Ancelotti - biggest name on the list. He's never taken on a job as shit and unattractive as this though. He has always been at title contenders and champs league regulars. Hard to know how he would get on but if he's interested we would have to give him a chance
Marco Silva - personally would love to see him given a chance. Has shown at Hull and Watford that he can get teams playing well in a short space of time. Studies opposition and is meticulous and seems to be a good man manager. I doubt he would leave part way through a season
Sean Dyche - he's done great at Burnley and I think he deserves a chance at a bigger club. Possibly unfairly labelled as some sort of management dinosaur. He's had Burnley solid defensively and hard to beat. Think he would jump at the chance to manage us
Frank DeBoer - would be a huge risk. Bombed at Palace and Inter. Not the right appointment for me
Sam Allardyce - you know what you get with Big Sam. I certainly wouldn't be worried about relegation if he came but it would be totally uninspiring
Thomas Tuchel - another big name given his reputation in Germany and good work that he has done at Mainz and Dortmund. Feel that he's holding out for a bigger job at a Champs league regular
Roberto Mancini - won the league with City. Hasn't done great since. Also I think he's total mental and I'm sure there's been stories about him losing the dressing room at City/Inter
Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 08:07:41 PM
How can you step backwards from being the worst team in the league?
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Post by: dangermouse on October 23, 2017, 08:09:35 PM
How can you step backwards from being the worst team in the league?
Most narrow-minded Evertonians think we can be the best team in the world next week so.... probably yes.
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:11:50 PM
Most narrow-minded Evertonians think we can be the best team in the world next week so.... probably yes.
Not making much sense there pal.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:12:00 PM
Most narrow-minded Evertonians think we can be the best team in the world next week so.... probably yes.
No idea what you're on about, but thanks for the reply.
Post by: gizzblue on October 23, 2017, 08:14:37 PM
Nah but it'll take a hell of a man manager to get these players out of their slumps mate. I just hope we don't fuck it up and get Big Sam. Personally I think we'll get Eddie Howe but I want Tuchel or Silva.Would also be fair to say everyone has a clean slate, nobody ousted nobody being forced out and will be running through walls to impress whoever comes in now too 😅...so it's already a happier dressing room .
Post by: blueski on October 23, 2017, 08:20:24 PM
lets hope the board chooses the right person here.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 23, 2017, 08:20:46 PM
Post by: nsno on October 23, 2017, 08:21:54 PM
Post by: Smingers on October 23, 2017, 08:22:09 PM
People expecting Ancelotti or similar are going to be very disappointed. :(
If we don't get Ancellotti then yes I will be very disappointed indeed. We need to be thinking big.
Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:22:33 PM
Plus all the backroom staff, bar Ferguson, I guess?
He might as well fuck off too, can anyone point to his achievements as coach ? Think he was only appointed because he was a so called legend and Koeman knew the fume he would get if he sacked him as well. Just my view mind you.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:23:20 PM
Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 08:24:26 PM
I think big Sam is highly underrated. I'd have him as our manager now in a shot. He plays a system, is apparently a fantastic man manager, would shore up the defence and has bags of premier league experience with mid table clubs. Anybody on here who believes we are anything but a mid table team is deluded.Behave, he is awful, remind me again why he got kicked out of the England job after 1 game?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:24:41 PM
I agree, Ferguson is happy where he is (cushy) - I doubt if he would take the manager's job, if offered
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 08:24:48 PM
Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 08:25:49 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:26:14 PM
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2017, 08:26:29 PM
What is Joe Bloggs going to do with crap like Klassen, Williams and Sandro that Koeman did not do? Hey, I am the new boss and I command want you to suddenly become PL standard players cos I tell you to?
Possibly what previous managers have, such as win silverware, or get 16 league goals out of them etc. etc.
Post by: formerKHL on October 23, 2017, 08:28:29 PM
i'm hearing fonseca ? (spelling)
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 08:29:03 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
He might as well fuck off too, can anyone point to his achievements as coach ? Think he was only appointed because he was a so called legend and Koeman knew the fume he would get if he sacked him as well. Just my view mind you.
So how would sacking him solve anything if he doesn't do anything anyway.
Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:30:10 PM
We need someone who gets us, Koeman never did and I'd be worried that a foreign manager without prem experience wouldn't get us either
Moyes gets us and with decent money to spend could work well, so he was ambitious and wanted to go to one of the biggest clubs in the world, who would turn it down ? So he wanted some of our players, every manager likes to take players he knows, big deal.
Post by: blueski on October 23, 2017, 08:30:35 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 08:30:42 PM
I want someone who loves the players, i want someone who wil get the players running through brick walls for them.
Hopefully not in the literal sense.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:30:52 PM
don't shoot the messenger...
i'm hearing fonseca ? (spelling)
Maybe it's time to take your meds again, and the voices might stop?
Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:32:01 PM
Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 08:32:04 PM
Moyes gets us and with decent money to spend could work well, so he was ambitious and wanted to go to one of the biggest clubs in the world, who would turn it down ? So he wanted some of our players, every manager likes to take players he knows, big deal.Yes he totally got us, however I don't want someone who has been a mess at his last couple of clubs
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:32:23 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 08:32:26 PM
probably something will be leaked by koeman or his agent to shed light on the goings on regarding player recruitment if he genuinely believes the club let him down by not delivering his targets - he will want to distance himself from the failure to try and get his next job in football
nailed on west ham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 08:33:25 PM
don't shoot the messenger...Massively risky. I think the board will go for Dyche and he’s probably the most realistic, responsible choice.
i'm hearing fonseca ? (spelling)
I understand the ‘big time’ thinking by going after Ancelotti but he’s used to having a world class squad. He’s not know for his pragmatism or ‘making do’.
We might not want to hear it but this season is about survival, not about long term aspirations.
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 08:33:50 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:33:56 PM
Moyes gets us and with decent money to spend could work well, so he was ambitious and wanted to go to one of the biggest clubs in the world, who would turn it down ? So he wanted some of our players, every manager likes to take players he knows, big deal.
Yeh I really loved his 'knife to a gunfight' mentality. Made me think he could really take us places.
Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:34:07 PM
Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:35:18 PM
Yeh I really loved his 'knife to a gunfight' mentality. Made me think he could really take us places.
How many of our other managers have taken us into the Champions league since it's inception ?
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 08:35:21 PM
Ancelotti
Silva
Howe
In that order
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 23, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
Ok first things first: He's the fall guy but its deffo not all his fault, he didn't get the centre forward he wanted or the other left sided defender he wanted so didn't have all the tools. That must be down to Walsh and/or the board.
But unfortunately even without those we shouldn't have been anywhere near as bad as we've been and that falls on him. I looks like the relentless pursuit of Sig was his call and that was a crazy transfer from start to finish - way too much to pay, after the signing of Rooney is didn't make much sense.
We were crying out for a goal scorer and some pace so why not go after those types instead of Sig. Made absolutely no sense to me at the time and doesn't now obviously.
The new guy will have a problem sorting out a system with this squad as some of these number 10's will have to be left out, you just can't play them all
Marco Silva for me, guy looks class but i doubt he'd leave so soon after joining Watford. I've got to say i've no idea who they'll go for but it will be an interesting few weeks.
Regardless of any of this we need to get back to basics and start getting some points on the board or we are going to really be in the shit
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:39:35 PM
Following Fergie wa a hospital pass as was taking on on already doomed Sunderland and zero cash, Spain is Spai, not every English manager will succed there.
I suppose every female journalist is bordering on slappable too, seeing as we're making every excuse for the man since he left.
Post by: Goaljira on October 23, 2017, 08:39:55 PM
How many of our other managers have taken us into the Champions league since it's inception ?
Technically Moyes didn't either.
Post by: Cassius on October 23, 2017, 08:41:56 PM
probably something will be leaked by koeman or his agent to shed light on the goings on regarding player recruitment if he genuinely believes the club let him down by not delivering his targets - he will want to distance himself from the failure to try and get his next job in football
Pretty sure he'll have signed a confidentiality agreement with his payoff to stop that from happening.
Post by: blue slug on October 23, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 08:42:26 PM
Technically Moyes didn't either.
Nothing technical about it, he didn't
Post by: Martip on October 23, 2017, 08:42:34 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:43:04 PM
If it's silverware you want, avoid at all costs
But depends on what you want
Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:43:13 PM
I suppose every female journalist is bordering on slappable too, seeing as we're making every excuse for the man since he left.Oh how righteous you are !
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 08:43:35 PM
Post by: Diamondj on October 23, 2017, 08:44:18 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 08:44:40 PM
Everyone agreed? Good
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 23, 2017, 08:46:19 PM
The thing that delights me most about this decision, isn't so much that he has gone, but its the type of decisions BIG clubs make.
I mean this in the sense that none of the so called big 6 woulf have stoof for this if the same where to happen there.
Atleast Moshiri has the balls to make a decision like this. Kenwright would have been all loevy dovey again and Koeman would still be around.
The next appointment will be interesting.
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Although big clubs wouldn't replace him with Eddie Howe.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:46:41 PM
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 08:47:34 PM
Let's nip all Ancelotti and Tuchel shouts in the bud early eh?No. Has to be the first point of call, I’d rather ask, get turned down then go elsewhere rather than not ask the best 2 candidates on the market that are available
Everyone agreed? Good
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:48:05 PM
No way will it be Moyes. Moshiri is an ambitious man. That's just lazy, hack journos and red shite wind-up merchants patting us on the head.
Moyes' agent will be passing a few lines to the media too, to remind everyone that his client actually still exists and is sat at home.
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 08:49:32 PM
No way will it be Moyes. Moshiri is an ambitious man. That's just lazy, hack journos and red shite wind-up merchants patting us on the head.Hope your right, although I’m still to be convinced about Moshiris ambition
Post by: Bwana on October 23, 2017, 08:49:58 PM
David Moyes - fuck right off. Seriously if you are considering him you are basically saying you don't want success. Will he magically spring back to how he had us when he finished 4th with us in 04/05 like 13 years ago?or is it more likely he will be the total train wreck of a manager that he was in his last 3 jobs at Man United where he undid a legacy in about 8 months, sociedad where he bombed or Sunderland where he finally relegated a side who had managed to stay up doing the bare minimum for years?
I don't want him either but c'mon. He fucked it up in United, yes. The truth there was however that Sir Whisky-Nose wore out the group he inherited. The core players were old and had achieved everything. They weren't ready to take advice from a nobody, who made a biiig mistake when he got rid of Fergusson's backroom staff.
In Spain: Well, new league etc. That can happen. Sociedad didn't also have too many world beaters in the squad.
Sunderland: He, or any other manager in that seat, was doomed even before last season started. Sunderland's board had made it sure that time.
A football romantic in me would like to see him guide us to CL, win a cup or two... Then I woke up and let the cat out.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 08:52:31 PM
Moyes' agent will be passing a few lines to the media too, to remind everyone that his client actually still exists and is sat at home.
He planted seeds in the media last time, and ended up with Sunderland (then took them down).
No reason to think that would INCREASE his standing in the football world.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 08:52:58 PM
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 08:53:08 PM
I don't want him either but c'mon. He fucked it up in United, yes. The truth there was however that Sir Whisky-Nose wore out the group he inherited. The core players were old and had achieved everything. They weren't ready to take advice from a nobody, who made a biiig mistake when he got rid of Fergusson's backroom staff.The romantic in me would like to invite him for an interview then when he arrives don’t let him in and shout out the window that it was a wind up!
In Spain: Well, new league etc. That can happen. Sociedad didn't also have too many world beaters in the squad.
Sunderland: He, or any other manager in that seat, was doomed even before last season started. Sunderland's board had made it sure that time.
A football romantic in me would like to see him guide us to CL, win a cup or two... Then I woke up and let the cat out.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 08:55:58 PM
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 23, 2017, 08:57:43 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
who manages, then? Bainesy?
Unsworth. For the Chelsea game at least.
Post by: MrWhite on October 23, 2017, 08:58:43 PM
Now maybe we can actually move forward and the players can find some confidence?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 08:59:27 PM
Post by: blargins on October 23, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
Unsy is caretaker manager with assistance from Royle, read it on Sky
He has a 100% record for us, hopefully it will continue.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 23, 2017, 09:01:59 PM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 23, 2017, 09:02:53 PM
Post by: Fynci on October 23, 2017, 09:02:56 PM
Unsy is caretaker manager with assistance from Royle, read it on Sky
Wouldn't rush an appointment myself. We need to be wise with who comes in and I'd hope those two could at least steady the ship and pick a balanced side.
Post by: MrWhite on October 23, 2017, 09:03:50 PM
Unsworth. For the Chelsea game at least.
Free hit. No-one expects us to go through anyway, so no harm done if we lose. If we win, they might hold fire on a new man and give Rhino some time, as long as we pick up some points they've got a month or two to find someone to spend money in January.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 09:06:13 PM
Worry about the long term after that.
Post by: TheRam on October 23, 2017, 09:06:50 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 23, 2017, 09:07:42 PM
https://twitter.com/stamp_1878/status/922455927256748032Ha ha
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
Post by: sirblue57 on October 23, 2017, 09:09:02 PM
Ha ha
Laugh all you want. I got wood at the thought.
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2017, 09:09:28 PM
Post by: pjk on October 23, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
Post by: nsno on October 23, 2017, 09:10:24 PM
Behave, he is awful, remind me again why he got kicked out of the England job after 1 game?Because he was fiddling with agents. Nothing to do with his ability to manage a squad of players. Let's be honest all managers are involved with fiddles with agents just look at mourinho and raiola. Big Sam was just targeted because he was england manager.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 09:11:08 PM
Wow! I'm so glad Moshiri and the board didn't hang around any longer than necessary. I hate to see people down and out but his inability to turn it around was there for all to see. We go again. :)
Isn't 'we go again' a red shite thing?
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 09:12:51 PM
Post by: pjk on October 23, 2017, 09:15:07 PM
Isn't 'we go again' a red shite thing?
Fuck off you! Nah! ;) I'm just relieved we're getting the chance pretty early to try and sort this mess out. Will remember not to use that term again. Relief just isn't in the script.
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 09:15:15 PM
We go again. :)
*shudder*
Post by: Macca77 on October 23, 2017, 09:15:36 PM
https://twitter.com/AgentMike_/status/922443744590249984
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
I'm going to get fully behind Unsworth for now in the next couple of games, and look closely at the formation and shape of the team, who he's willing to pick and drop and what sort of reaction he gets from different players.The long term is probably relegation unless we get a decent manager. It will take a very good one to get anything out of some of the dross we have before the transfer window opens. I would verbally back Mickey Mouse in the job but we can't allow Mickey or even Unsworth to take us closer to relegation. 8 wins and 8 draws wanted to get 40 points. Imagine any good players available from January saying ooh I want to play for David Unsworth? He does a sound job with the U23s and feeds his family. Leave him there and don't tempt him into potential redundancy later. Short term only, even if he won a game or two. Think big, not like Leicester City with Shakespeare.
Worry about the long term after that.
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 09:17:52 PM
And so it beginsPersonal opinion, at this moment in time Ancelotti would be a mistake I think, he wouldn't motivate these at the moment. I'd leave unsworth & royle in charge for the next few weeks and see how they get on- we need wins quickly
https://twitter.com/AgentMike_/status/922443744590249984
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 09:19:37 PM
Personal opinion, at this moment in time Ancelotti would be a mistake I think, he wouldn't motivate these at the moment. I'd leave unsworth & royle in charge for the next few weeks and see how they get on- we need wins quickly
Not that we'd ever get him but you don't think a multiple time European cup winner, German league, Italian league (plus a shit load more honours) could motivate a fucking Everton team?
Really?
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 09:21:05 PM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on October 23, 2017, 09:21:19 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 09:21:30 PM
The long term is probably relegation unless we get a decent manager. It will take a very good one to get anything out of some of the dross we have before the transfer window opens. I would verbally back Mickey Mouse in the job but we can't allow Mickey or even Unsworth to take us closer to relegation. 8 wins and 8 draws wanted to get 40 points. Imagine any good players available from January saying ooh I want to play for David Unsworth? He does a sound job with the U23s and feeds his family. Leave him there and don't tempt him into potential redundancy later. Short term only, even if he won a game or two. Think big, not like Leicester City with Shakespeare.
Mate, you wanted to keep Koeman no matter how badly we played or how awful things became, so it's difficult to take your opinion on Unsworth or other managers too seriously.
And you've just called Sandro and Klaassen 'crap'. Crack on with your opinions, and I'll leave you to it.
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 23, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
I don't want him either but c'mon. He fucked it up in United, yes. The truth there was however that Sir Whisky-Nose wore out the group he inherited. The core players were old and had achieved everything. They weren't ready to take advice from a nobody, who made a biiig mistake when he got rid of Fergusson's backroom staff.
In Spain: Well, new league etc. That can happen. Sociedad didn't also have too many world beaters in the squad.
Sunderland: He, or any other manager in that seat, was doomed even before last season started. Sunderland's board had made it sure that time.
A football romantic in me would like to see him guide us to CL, win a cup or two... Then I woke up and let the cat out.
Still though do we go for someone who has failed massively in his last 3 jobs
No matter what he excuses he has, and those listed aren't good ones, we can do better
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 23, 2017, 09:23:19 PM
He said Koeman has an injunction out at the minute to do with him being caught with a prozzy in Ellesmere Port............ You were running with that weren't you??
Post by: kramer0 on October 23, 2017, 09:24:29 PM
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/02/bayern-munich-players-organised-secret-training-sessions-without-knowledge-carlo-ancelotti (https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/02/bayern-munich-players-organised-secret-training-sessions-without-knowledge-carlo-ancelotti)
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 09:24:58 PM
Not that we'd ever get him but you don't think a multiple time European cup winner, German league, Italian league (plus a shit load more honours) could motivate a fucking Everton team?Could Koeman? No. We need somebody whose gonna put some belief into these and who knows them and grind wins out, gotta question ancelottis motivation to come to Everton at this stage of his career- my guess would be solely £££, Tuchels different as he's young and got something to prove.
Really?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 09:25:25 PM
@Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) My mate was speaking to a fella at the weekend who works for Wrexham FC
He said Koeman has an injunction out at the minute to do with him being caught with a prozzy in Ellesmere Port............ You were running with that weren't you??
Pretty sure he won't be running with it now, if true, unless he fancies a turn in the dock
Post by: blue1948 on October 23, 2017, 09:26:10 PM
How can anyone suggest that we have any ambition if we pass the reigns to Unsworth? I have no clue who to go for, but other than the next two games let us go for someone will some credibility. Unsworth can pick his wonderful U23 team if he likes and we are relegated by February. This is the big time we are in, not the Sunday league.Has he had your bird ?? A little bit unfair methinks .
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 09:26:44 PM
Could Koeman? No.
What's Koeman won as a manager?
As much as me... Fuck all.
Post by: School of Science on October 23, 2017, 09:27:14 PM
Now get Barkley signed up
Well according to quite a few of our fans even posters on here alluded to it, Koeman was the main reason Barkley wanted to leave....Let's wait and see eh.
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 09:27:28 PM
Yes I did not want massive disruption and wanted Koeman to turn it around, but am well aware there were no signs of it, and what has happened was inevitable. I have no opinion on Unsworth except he is not and has never been a football manager. Imagine one of the so-called big clubs turning their team over to a U23 coach? No, neither can I. Two games only regardless.
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
What's Koeman won as a manager?
As much as me... Fuck all.
Pretty sure he won the dutch title didn't he.
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 09:28:34 PM
Pretty sure he won the dutch title didn't he.
So did Steve McClaren mate
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 09:29:06 PM
Well according to quite a few of our fans even posters on here alluded to it, Koeman was the main reason Barkley wanted to leave....Let's wait and see eh.
I am looking forward to see how that pans out. Could be the big indicator of our nosedive into the abyss. If he decides to stay now he has gone that is a massive fuck you to Koeman and his managerial style.
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 09:29:25 PM
Well according to quite a few of our fans even posters on here alluded to it, Koeman was the main reason Barkley wanted to leave....Let's wait and see eh.
All depends on whether Spurs still want him. Most players would walk to WHL to play under Poch I would have thought.
Post by: hill135 on October 23, 2017, 09:30:25 PM
He ain't staying lads.
Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 09:30:57 PM
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 23, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
I am looking forward to see how that pans out. Could be the big indicator of our nosedive into the abyss. If he decides to stay now he has gone that is a massive fuck you to Koeman and his managerial style.Ross just pulled the splint from down his duds!
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 23, 2017, 09:34:24 PM
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 09:36:55 PM
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
How can anyone suggest that we have any ambition if we pass the reigns to Unsworth? I have no clue who to go for, but other than the next two games let us go for someone will some credibility. Unsworth can pick his wonderful U23 team if he likes and we are relegated by February. This is the big time we are in, not the Sunday league.What good is it in the mess were in taking a manager who knows very little about the club & players, whats wrong with employing from within, could have a brilliant manager in unsworth - give him a shot for the next month or so and see how were doing.
Post by: Everton Mint on October 23, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
But the summer transfer window screwed everything, esp the 3 no.10's and not gettng a Lukaku replacement.
Whoever we get will have a job on.
Post by: blueToffee on October 23, 2017, 09:38:29 PM
Koeman might have been a bit of a biff to him behind the scenes but he wants to leave cos Spurs have been in his ear since before Ron arrived.
He ain't staying lads.
It's a slim chance I'd agree. Especially since Spurs are killing it right now. Who'd not want to join them?
However, if we did get someone like Tuchel and we started to show a different mentality and Barkley was central to that again, mix in a huge offer and given we're his boyhood club there might be that desire to give it one more go.
Not holding my breath though.
Given our situation I think we'd be crazy to let him go in January though. We should at least see him finish up the season with us.
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 09:43:47 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 23, 2017, 09:44:36 PM
Someone like him could've come in after Moyes with us a strong team, but now isnt the time.
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 23, 2017, 09:46:12 PM
And so it begins
https://twitter.com/AgentMike_/status/922443744590249984
Oh my god please. Any of them would be great i reckon
Very unlikely though, Ancelotti and Tuchel both turned down approaches from Leicester i've heard
Are we a bigger draw? Hmmmm
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 09:48:20 PM
I love Unsy and he's done a great job with the U23's, but throwing him in in our current situation is a massive ask.
Someone like him could've come in after Moyes with us a strong team, but now isnt the time.
On the other hand, coming in from an absolute car crash like the Koeman era makes things a lot easier too. We're so low now that if he sorts out the basics, fans will be happy, or at least stay onside. Whereas coming in after the relative success of Moyes and with elevated ambitions can be trickier to manage. But, as you say, it's easier in other respects because you start out with something that basically works.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 23, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
I don't feel sorry for Koeman at all (as harsh as that sounds), I think he's probably happy that it's been nipped in the bud and might not taint his CV too much.
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
I did feel sorry for Martinez when he got sacked, I think he was genuinely gutted that he coudn' t make it a success, I think he proper loved the club too.
I don't feel sorry for Koeman at all (as harsh as that sounds), I think he's probably happy that it's been nipped in the bud and might not taint his CV too much.
I feel sorry for Erwin though. Will no-one think about Erwin?
Post by: pjk on October 23, 2017, 09:53:11 PM
Sandro and Klassen are crap. Don't you go to the games? In which game have you seen either in which they were other than crap? Koeman did not make them so. He or someone else dropped a clanger in signing them. Even Klassen writes an article which explains "why it is so difficult to play in the PL"
Yes I did not want massive disruption and wanted Koeman to turn it around, but am well aware there were no signs of it, and what has happened was inevitable. I have no opinion on Unsworth except he is not and has never been a football manager. Imagine one of the so-called big clubs turning their team over to a U23 coach? No, neither can I. Two games only regardless.
Chelsea did it with Roberto Matteo (Assistant manager) and he won the Champions League.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 09:53:28 PM
Not that we'd ever get him but you don't think a multiple time European cup winner, German league, Italian league (plus a shit load more honours) could motivate a fucking Everton team?He’d get the players respect - but does he know how to get a terrible, unbalanced team performing? He’s used to dealing with world-class players. Not evidence of him grinding out results with a Championship level attack.
Really?
Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
I feel sorry for Erwin though. Will no-one think about Erwin?
Erwin Wednesday would be nice like
Post by: Everton Mint on October 23, 2017, 09:57:03 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 10:08:04 PM
Radio Merseyside having discussion on Everton from 4pm and phone-in from 5.30 tonight.That phone-in will be grim ‘why’s no-one thrown Kevin Keegan’s name in the hat?’. Phone-ins are a magnet for the deranged.
Post by: christiffa25 on October 23, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
Post by: dunkster on October 23, 2017, 10:10:17 PM
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 10:11:12 PM
Sandro and Klassen are crap. Don't you go to the games? In which game have you seen either in which they were other than crap? Koeman did not make them so. He or someone else dropped a clanger in signing them. Even Klassen writes an article which explains "why it is so difficult to play in the PL"Off the top of my head without even thinking - Barca do it constantly, Chelsea have done once, Real Madrid also.
Yes I did not want massive disruption and wanted Koeman to turn it around, but am well aware there were no signs of it, and what has happened was inevitable. I have no opinion on Unsworth except he is not and has never been a football manager. Imagine one of the so-called big clubs turning their team over to a U23 coach? No, neither can I. Two games only regardless.
Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 10:11:41 PM
Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 10:13:54 PM
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 23, 2017, 10:16:36 PM
....and he can take some of the shite he signed with him to Barcelona, aye right.
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 10:16:45 PM
13 pages and barely no mention about Walsh's role in all of this, he needs to go as well
Koeman signed off every transfer mate. Walsh wanted Belfodil and Koeman didn't and we didn't sign him.
Koeman chased Klaassen, Rooney, Gylfi. Walsh clearly had a role but the buck stops with the arrogant, self absorbed Dutchman.
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 10:18:25 PM
Who's the guy in charge at Atalanta?.They played some fantastic pass and move football against us.Every manager has shagged us this season, well almost
Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 10:19:32 PM
Koeman signed off every transfer mate. Walsh wanted Belfodil and Koeman didn't and we didn't sign him.Agreed that the buck stops with Koeman he was the manager, however (and I stand to be corrected on this) I thought the deal was Walsh recommended a player and Koeman then had the final say? Well if all he could come up with was 15 no 10's he can do one too
Koeman chased Klaassen, Rooney, Gylfi. Walsh clearly had a role but the buck stops with the arrogant, self absorbed Dutchman.
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 10:23:49 PM
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 10:25:08 PM
Agreed that the buck stops with Koeman he was the manager, however (and I stand to be corrected on this) I thought the deal was Walsh recommended a player and Koeman then had the final say? Well if all he could come up with was 15 no 10's he can do one tooIf Walsh doesn’t go to then there is something wrong with our board. He is just, if not more, culpable than Koeman
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 10:29:24 PM
Agreed that the buck stops with Koeman he was the manager, however (and I stand to be corrected on this) I thought the deal was Walsh recommended a player and Koeman then had the final say? Well if all he could come up with was 15 no 10's he can do one too
That's the theory but the practice can work out in many different ways, and we don't really know what the actual dynamic had been between Koeman and Walsh.
Post by: christiffa25 on October 23, 2017, 10:30:23 PM
If Walsh doesn’t go to then there is something wrong with our board. He is just, if not more, culpable than Koeman
All depends who the new manager is going to be. Someone who wants Walsh or not.
I'm pretty sure definitely schnierdlin Martina, klassen, gylfi were all koemans doing. Probably Rooney too. So bit harsh to throw onto Walsh.
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 10:32:58 PM
All depends who the new manager is going to be. Someone who wants Walsh or not.Walsh is DoF the buck should stop with him, especially the no striker issue which is our number 1 issue
I'm pretty sure definitely schnierdlin Martina, klassen, gylfi were all koemans doing. Probably Rooney too. So bit harsh to throw onto Walsh.
Post by: Robioto on October 23, 2017, 10:37:02 PM
What is Joe Bloggs going to do with crap like Klassen, Williams and Sandro that Koeman did not do? Hey, I am the new boss and I command want you to suddenly become PL standard players cos I tell you to?
They will hopefully have an arm around them and be coached and mentored to build their confidence back up. The job a manager should do and a job that evidence suggests Koeman didn't do.
They aren't bad players.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 10:39:06 PM
Post by: Normm on October 23, 2017, 10:45:15 PM
Post by: Toffee Tuesdays on October 23, 2017, 10:48:25 PM
I think the one we could all get on board with is Tuchel
I'd be happy with that. Rumors of the Dortmund players not getting along with him makes me nervous though.
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 23, 2017, 10:48:44 PM
I would just like to thank Arsen Wenger and Arsenal FC for helping to end our nightmare. :woohoo:
Fuck celebrating getting tanked 5-2 at home.
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 10:52:14 PM
Who's the guy in charge at Atalanta?.They played some fantastic pass and move football against us.
So did Burnley, Brighton, Apollon Limassol, Bournemouth.... A team's ability to make us look shite this season isn't necessarily reflective of their managerial quality.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 23, 2017, 11:01:25 PM
Pretty sure he won the dutch title didn't he.
So could you some seasons .
Post by: blob on October 23, 2017, 11:01:45 PM
prepare for another stop-gap journeyman :(
Post by: Normm on October 23, 2017, 11:01:59 PM
Fuck celebrating getting tanked 5-2 at home.
I'm celebrating the outcome Kid. Aren't you?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 11:03:11 PM
Post by: Heisenberg on October 23, 2017, 11:04:24 PM
Post by: Django on October 23, 2017, 11:07:36 PM
There's a lot more wrong at the club than just ham-hock face. I'm glad to see the back of the graceless twat but I'm worried.
The way Moshiri deals with us and the seeming reluctance to change the people dealing with the tranfers is massively worrying. I fear that if the next appointment isn't the right fit we could find ourselves in Sunderland style trouble in the next few years.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 11:11:20 PM
Newcastle fans have been saying that since world war 2 - Keegan and Shearer understood it...........................
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 11:14:44 PM
Really, really fear for the long term with Everton.
There's a lot more wrong at the club than just ham-hock face. I'm glad to see the back of the graceless twat but I'm worried.
The way Moshiri deals with us and the seeming reluctance to change the people dealing with the tranfers is massively worrying. I fear that if the next appointment isn't the right fit we could find ourselves in Sunderland style trouble in the next few years.
Don't ruin the fucking day ;)
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 23, 2017, 11:14:48 PM
Post by: Heisenberg on October 23, 2017, 11:15:11 PM
And all this "has to understand the club" business
Newcastle fans have been saying that since world war 2 - Keegan and Shearer understood it...........................
No but there has to be some bond between the manager fans and club. It's why Martinez was given much more opportunities to redeem himself. There was litterally nobody behind Koeman. It's all well being cold and distant when things are going well but it doesn't work when it goes bad
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 11:16:30 PM
Unsworth safe bet for now as fans will give him time to steady the ship (which I think he will)Were in the bottom 3 if you haven’t noticed, there’s no time to steady the ship
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 11:18:00 PM
Really, really fear for the long term with Everton.
There's a lot more wrong at the club than just ham-hock face. I'm glad to see the back of the graceless twat but I'm worried.
Really?? Are you serious?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 11:19:05 PM
Koeman signed off every transfer mate. Walsh wanted Belfodil and Koeman didn't and we didn't sign him.Agree to an extent but you’re basically saying he had free reign to do whatever he wanted - someone had to manage the manager.
Koeman chased Klaassen, Rooney, Gylfi. Walsh clearly had a role but the buck stops with the arrogant, self absorbed Dutchman.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 11:22:14 PM
How many more frogs are we gonna kiss before we find our prince?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 11:23:15 PM
And all this "has to understand the club" businessAgree that this. Couldn’t give a shit as long as we win. Suppose it would make it a bit sweeter to win stuff with someone like Unsworth in charge but it’d also break my heart to hear people calling him a cunt, after a loss.
Newcastle fans have been saying that since world war 2 - Keegan and Shearer understood it...........................
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 11:27:29 PM
Fixed my heart when Kendall brought him back!
Post by: plumber on October 23, 2017, 11:30:14 PM
No but there has to be some bond between the manager fans and club. It's why Martinez was given much more opportunities to redeem himself. There was litterally nobody behind Koeman. It's all well being cold and distant when things are going well but it doesn't work when it goes bad
If "being one of us" and "understanding the club" is the obstacle to sack an inept manager, I would rather take someone who doesn't understand the club.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 23, 2017, 11:34:00 PM
Post by: Simon Paul on October 23, 2017, 11:36:36 PM
handed my season ticket to a steward on the way out yesterday after Arsenal's fourth and said I wouldn't be back until Koeman is sacked...
Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 11:38:22 PM
well that's the shortest boycott ever!
handed my season ticket to a steward on the way out yesterday after Arsenal's fourth and said I wouldn't be back until Koeman is sacked...
HAHA. Steward probably took the ticket to Moshiri. he reckoned if Simon isn't coming something has to be done.
Post by: Toffee1 on October 23, 2017, 11:40:39 PM
HAHA. Steward probably took the ticket to Moshiri. he reckoned if Simon isn't coming something has to be done.
Wonder if he would have started such a conversation with Mr Moshiri "Simon says...".
Post by: GoodisonPk on October 23, 2017, 11:43:16 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 11:47:04 PM
well that's the shortest boycott ever!Kopite behaviour
handed my season ticket to a steward on the way out yesterday after Arsenal's fourth and said I wouldn't be back until Koeman is sacked...
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 23, 2017, 11:49:22 PM
Kopite behaviour
Only if you burn the shirt as well.
Post by: blargins on October 23, 2017, 11:54:29 PM
Only if you burn the shirt as well.
And take the knee during Z-Cars.
Post by: bluenuck on October 24, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
I think there's more that we should be worried about though, but ultimately Koeman is the man responsible for getting results and they were getting worse and worse each time we played.
Not happy we are going to have our 3rd manager in 18 months. Figure it out!!
Post by: jtran10 on October 24, 2017, 12:16:11 AM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 24, 2017, 12:25:31 AM
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 12:26:45 AM
And nobody had to hire a plane .
we offered Arsenal a half-half deal as a joke
does that count?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 12:35:15 AM
https://twitter.com/scouseandblue/status/922503724723032065
https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/922495781558464512
Post by: blueski on October 24, 2017, 12:38:57 AM
Pretty sure he'll have signed a confidentiality agreement with his payoff to stop that from happening.won't be from him if it does occur
"a source inside the club" etc
Post by: Everton Mint on October 24, 2017, 12:39:20 AM
I never liked Walsh when he arrived... think he'd bought into his own sudden fame too much.
And as an old guy wtf had he done the previous 30 years before he found Vardy ??
Post by: American Evertonian on October 24, 2017, 12:40:53 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 12:46:03 AM
Post by: Confucius on October 24, 2017, 12:47:59 AM
Fair play to Ross Barkley, he's played a fuckin blinder here.
Was thinking the same. not as dumb as he looks
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 12:51:31 AM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 24, 2017, 12:53:08 AM
Fair play to Ross Barkley, he's played a fuckin blinder here.Nostradamus.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 24, 2017, 12:53:17 AM
Post by: Gash on October 24, 2017, 12:56:41 AM
Moshiri's making all the right moves off the pitch, new ground, record sponsorship deals, clearing debt etc but on the pitch it's all been a bit of a mess and he comes across as almost a little naive. Koeman was a fairly 'safe' if uninspiring appointment and we even managed to drag that out. His first couple of window's weren't great then having started well with this summer's window they went on to make an absolute mess of it and failed in their biggest objective, replacing Lukaku or at least getting someone of a decent pedigree in. That's before we go down the route of all his stupid conversations with Jim White, the biggest attention seeking bellend on Sky who's absolutely lapping it up.
We got Walsh in, who as far as I was aware the manager answers to the DOF yet none of them had the bollocks to walk away from the Sigurdsson deal even though it was becoming clear that we were about to get out pants pulled down to get him and we were still woefully short up front. I've no idea what Steve Walsh even does (scouting trip to Italy proved fruitful) but it's beginning to look increasingly like the story that he discovered Mahrez and Kante (I'm not even sure he did) and Leicester's league win has elevated him to a position beyond that of his abilities.
Koeman's rightfully gone and not many tears will be shed but there's a hell of a lot of lessons need learned over the last 18-20 months, I just hope they can as this is now a massive appointment for the club, two managers sacked in 18 months, we can ill afford to fuck this one up as well.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 12:57:55 AM
Rosstradamus.
Fixed it for you.
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 01:00:09 AM
https://twitter.com/reid6peter/status/922521777154285573
Post by: ally2 on October 24, 2017, 01:01:47 AM
Thank fuck. I'll be reveling in it big time.
That's cos you're an idiot
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 01:04:30 AM
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 01:05:31 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 01:08:19 AM
That's cos you're an idiot
x
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 24, 2017, 01:09:05 AM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:09:15 AM
The thing that makes this a little worse is that we paid so much for Koeman's number one target and our new manager may not even end up rating him...
More likely Rooney is quietly moved aside (or used as an impact sub), if you ask me. Sigurdsson is generally a well-regarded player, and he'll be used properly by the new manager, I'd bet.
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 01:09:19 AM
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 24, 2017, 01:10:40 AM
Just seen a statement posted on fb from the club
I expect to see this post again in the 'Most Liked Messages of the Week' thread.
Post by: Juanito on October 24, 2017, 01:11:15 AM
If Walsh doesn’t go to then there is something wrong with our board. He is just, if not more, culpable than Koeman
Yes, 70 million for Klaassen and Sigurdsson. Shrewd purchases that needed a top class director of football who can unveil hidden gems in the European transfer market.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 24, 2017, 01:12:40 AM
More likely Rooney is quietly moved aside (or used as an impact sub), if you ask me. Sigurdsson is generally a well-regarded player, and he'll be used properly by the new manager, I'd bet.
We would be even more in the shit without Rooney .
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 24, 2017, 01:14:20 AM
The whole hierarchy at the club need to take a look at themselves. It's all very well laying all the blame on Koeman and he deserves a lot of it, but we've got a majority shareholder, chairman, chief executive, director of football etc and they should all shoulder some of the blame for the mess over the last 18-24 months, starting right back when we held on to Martinez for too long.
Moshiri's making all the right moves off the pitch, new ground, record sponsorship deals, clearing debt etc but on the pitch it's all been a bit of a mess and he comes across as almost a little naive. Koeman was a fairly 'safe' if uninspiring appointment and we even managed to drag that out. His first couple of window's weren't great then having started well with this summer's window they went on to make an absolute mess of it and failed in their biggest objective, replacing Lukaku or at least getting someone of a decent pedigree in. That's before we go down the route of all his stupid conversations with Jim White, the biggest attention seeking bellend on Sky who's absolutely lapping it up.
We got Walsh in, who as far as I was aware the manager answers to the DOF yet none of them had the bollocks to walk away from the Sigurdsson deal even though it was becoming clear that we were about to get out pants pulled down to get him and we were still woefully short up front. I've no idea what Steve Walsh even does (scouting trip to Italy proved fruitful) but it's beginning to look increasingly like the story that he discovered Mahrez and Kante (I'm not even sure he did) and Leicester's league win has elevated him to a position beyond that of his abilities.
Koeman's rightfully gone and not many tears will be shed but there's a hell of a lot of lessons need learned over the last 18-20 months, I just hope they can as this is now a massive appointment for the club, two managers sacked in 18 months, we can ill afford to fuck this one up as well.
It's all quite strange and maybe someday we'll hear Koeman's side of the sad tale.
It's hard to imagine how he got this bad as a manager so fast...without some "help" from above.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 01:14:27 AM
Fair play to Ross Barkley, he's played a fuckin blinder here.He’s still a fucking scab
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 01:18:18 AM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 01:18:57 AM
The only thing we can offer him that his former clubs can't is Tuesday and Wednesday evenings off.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 01:21:03 AM
"Do you get us?"
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 01:21:14 AM
He’s still a fucking scab
And the reason he probably wants to fuck off and leave is cos of the likes of you coming out with shit like that.
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 01:21:24 AM
Yes, 70 million for Klaassen and Sigurdsson. Shrewd purchases that needed a top class director of football who can unveil hidden gems in the European transfer market.
Both obvious Koeman buys.
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 01:23:18 AM
Both obvious Koeman buys.That's am even more damming assessment of Walsh. Your basically saying Koeman took the piss and walked over him regardless
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 01:24:04 AM
"Not as much as Roberto but more than Ronald"
Keep a happy medium
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 01:26:30 AM
That's am even more damming assessment of Walsh. Your basically saying Koeman took the piss and walked over him regardless
Bullshit. Koeman has the final say on his team and transfers. A fair few will be down to Walsh, who he will have recommended them to Koeman and got the nod of approval from him, but Klassen and Sigurdsson are clearly Koemans idea.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:28:48 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 01:30:48 AM
Quote
Almost £70m was spent on Sigurdsson and Davy Klaassen at Koeman’s insistence. Both have made anonymous starts. Rooney, Sigurdsson and Klaassen prefer to operate in a central role and the former manager’s thinking was clouded as he persisted with two, sometimes all three, in his starting lineup with predictably ponderous results.
Koeman admitted only on Friday: “What is the best formation? What is the best striker with Wayne, Sigurdsson, Klaassen? We struggled at the beginning to get the right formation and that makes it difficult. Then not good results and that brings us back to the lack of confidence.” Six weeks and £45m were spent prising the Iceland international from Swansea City.
Post by: blargins on October 24, 2017, 01:33:41 AM
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 01:35:19 AM
I'm not going over old ground again but as DoF it's his responsibility. It's him that should be saying NO if he doesn't think it's right, that is his job!
Bullshit. Koeman has the final say on his team and transfers. A fair few will be down to Walsh, who he will have recommended them to Koeman and got the nod of approval from him, but Klassen and Sigurdsson are clearly Koemans idea.
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 01:35:27 AM
That's am even more damming assessment of Walsh. Your basically saying Koeman took the piss and walked over him regardless
That's a damning assessment of the board for not backing Walsh. All of his authority must stem from the board, it's not enough to just put a guy in place.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:35:39 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/oct/23/ronald-koemans-everton-sacking
Good read, thanks. They take their time, but get it right.
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 01:36:23 AM
And now we probably will have Barkley staying if he's in the new manager's plans.
Will be like a new signing
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 01:38:37 AM
That's a damning assessment of the board for not backing Walsh. All of his authority must stem from the board, it's not enough to just put a guy in place.could well be right. The things which we have always done wrong are still being done wrong and crazily by the same individuals. The problems at Everton lie much deeper than the manager
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 01:39:36 AM
Good read, thanks. They take their time, but get it right.
They've covered it at the time in great detail. This is Andy Hunter's own opinion piece after the dust has settled.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:40:06 AM
That's a damning assessment of the board for not backing Walsh. All of his authority must stem from the board, it's not enough to just put a guy in place.
It's the first time we've had this arrangement and we clearly failed to demarcate clear lines of authority (and, for that matter, make sure DoF and manager can work constructively together). We need to learn from that, and quickly.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:41:34 AM
They've covered it at the time in great detail. This is Andy Hunter's own opinion piece after the dust has settled.
I just always think of them as the more reasoned folk! With politics, too.
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 01:43:14 AM
https://twitter.com/paulcharleskerr/status/922527347378737153
Post by: angus1878 on October 24, 2017, 01:44:05 AM
https://ibb.co/ndcHfm
https://ibb.co/d9816R
https://ibb.co/h2E8mR
Post by: Toffee Tuesdays on October 24, 2017, 01:44:35 AM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 01:50:58 AM
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on October 24, 2017, 01:53:30 AM
KOEMAN pictured in manchester AFTER losing to arsenal
https://ibb.co/ndcHfm
https://ibb.co/d9816R
https://ibb.co/h2E8mR
I'm not outraged by this - he is entitled to have a life.
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 01:55:00 AM
could well be right. The things which we have always done wrong are still being done wrong and crazily by the same individuals. The problems at Everton lie much deeper than the manager
I agree.
This really is a crucial part of having a DoF, which I talked about when we appointed Walsh. It must be an integral part of how the club's doing business, and both the manager (or head coach) and the DoF must know what their responsibilities are and how not to tread on each other's toes. A DoF buying players whether the manager wants them or not is just as useless as one that yields to every request. It's very tricky to get it right and we obviously didn't.
Whether Walsh is the right man for the job is yet to be seen though.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 24, 2017, 02:01:23 AM
Said it ages ago and got shot down about Ross waiting for Koeman to go before signing a new deal.
He hasn’t signed yet.......
Post by: blob on October 24, 2017, 02:02:16 AM
I agree.
This really is a crucial part of having a DoF, which I talked about when we appointed Walsh. It must be an integral part of how the club's doing business, and both the manager (or head coach) and the DoF must know what their responsibilities are and how not to tread on each other's toes. A DoF buying players whether the manager wants them or not is just as useless as one that yields to every request. It's very tricky to get it right and we obviously didn't.
Whether Walsh is the right man for the job is yet to be seen though.
'toe treading' is inevitable.
the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is never the way forward.
no idea how this can be resolved without upsetting one or the other...
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 24, 2017, 02:04:06 AM
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 02:04:35 AM
https://twitter.com/RBMersey/status/922484163927773184
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 02:06:33 AM
'toe treading' is inevitable.
the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is never the way forward.
no idea how this can be resolved without upsetting one or the other...
Well, the theory is that DoF is there for the long term, and the head coach is responsible for the short term. Ideally the DoF is part of the club's brickwork, a well-respected ex-player or something similar. They should also constantly talk to each other. It's fine to disagree but when they finish their discussion, they should do so with a clear decision.
That's the theory.
In practice if it isn't part of the whole culture of the club (like it is in most German clubs), it usually fails miserably.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 02:11:48 AM
Well, the theory is that DoF is there for the long term, and the head coach is responsible for the short term. Ideally the DoF is part of the club's brickwork, a well-respected ex-player or something similar. They should also constantly talk to each other. It's fine to disagree but when they finish their discussion, they should do so with a clear decision.
That's the theory.
In practice if it isn't part of the whole culture of the club (like it is in most German clubs), it usually fails miserably.
But eventually, won't it be part of the culture everywhere? It's too much responsibility for the manager to carry (and do so competently) in the modern game.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 02:12:02 AM
No, he wants to leave because he doesn’t get us...
And the reason he probably wants to fuck off and leave is cos of the likes of you coming out with shit like that.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 02:14:14 AM
And only having one LB at the club was who’s idea?
Bullshit. Koeman has the final say on his team and transfers. A fair few will be down to Walsh, who he will have recommended them to Koeman and got the nod of approval from him, but Klassen and Sigurdsson are clearly Koemans idea.
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 02:15:00 AM
But eventually, won't it be part of the culture everywhere? It's too much responsibility for the manager to carry (and do so competently) in the modern game.
I don't know. We've got better technology now and scouts can do things that even ten years ago would've been seen as science fiction. Maybe automation and algorithms is the answer. (Though I personally hope not.) Maybe managers could be successful by staying hands-on with recruitment and delegating more of the coaching and preparation work. (Ferguson did this pretty well.)
I genuinely have no idea.
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 02:16:09 AM
Is there an example of a DOF working anywhere? I know it's not like me but i'm really cynical about it.
Barcelona with Txiki Begiristain, or the entire Bundesliga.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 02:18:17 AM
That's a damning assessment of the board for not backing Walsh. All of his authority must stem from the board, it's not enough to just put a guy in place.Sounds like Walsh is the world’s most expensive chief scout. Hardly has the authority or profile of a genuine DoF like Monchi.
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 02:19:13 AM
And only having one LB at the club was who’s idea?
Both.... Koeman for letting Galloway go on loan and Walsh for not getting one in.... assuming Koeman asked him for one. Saying that, they were probably too pre-occupied with Sigurdsson and his agent for 2 months.
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 02:20:27 AM
You need some continuity to gel everything together in the modern game.
The key is finding a good, experienced guy with the people skills to work with a variety of manager’s from probably a variety of cultures. He also needs the trust and backing of the board.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 24, 2017, 02:22:41 AM
Barcelona with Txiki Begiristain, or the entire Bundesliga.Think they must be more civilised and more diplomatic, it always seems to be strife over here.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 02:23:58 AM
If you are on a budget and have to make decisions about players of similar abilities and sacrifice one player to sign another there will be more of a chance of conflict.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 24, 2017, 02:24:09 AM
Think he let Galloway go cos he isn't good enough
Both.... Koeman for letting Galloway go on loan and Walsh for not getting one in.... assuming Koeman asked him for one. Saying that, they were probably too pre-occupied with Sigurdsson and his agent for 2 months.
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 02:24:45 AM
Think he let Galloway go cos he isn't good enough
But Martina was......
Post by: Ih8redshite on October 24, 2017, 02:26:25 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 02:26:50 AM
Think they must be more civilised and more diplomatic, it always seems to be strife over here.
Southampton.
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 02:30:19 AM
I’m looking forward to the Chelsea game now. Haven’t felt like that for too long now. I am not the only one, so just for that Koeman deserved to go. I’m very optimistic for the future now, I hope Unsworth gets the job till atleast Xmas. Can see the positive vibe emanate throughout the whole club now. Players who haven’t been performing hopefully will get a new lease of life and we will move up the table rapidly. I even fancy us against Chelsea. Unsy gets the club from all angles and his knowledge of the under 23s will help us too. COYFBB
He's got a twat of a start though.... Chelsea, Leicester and Lyon all away.
We need to be realistic. We could easily be out of 2 cup competitions and still in the bottom 3 by the time we open our advent calendar's..... but thats not his doing. I hope the crowd stick with him through it. I hope he proves his worth.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 24, 2017, 02:33:17 AM
Post by: Ih8redshite on October 24, 2017, 02:40:39 AM
He's got a twat of a start though.... Chelsea, Leicester and Lyon all away.
We need to be realistic. We could easily be out of 2 cup competitions and still in the bottom 3 by the time we open our advent calendar's..... but thats not his doing. I hope the crowd stick with him through it. I hope he proves his worth.
Realistically looking at it is hard to do. I can’t see unsy playing the players in the same way as Koeman. So the only way to look at it is optimistically. N that’s the first time in a long time I’ve felt like that about our club. Feel like a weights off, maybe the players will feel the same way too
Post by: blue slug on October 24, 2017, 02:41:37 AM
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 02:42:10 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 02:43:57 AM
Out of the League Cup
Bottom two
Out of the Europa Cup
That bloody Koeman
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on October 24, 2017, 02:51:47 AM
To be fair Galloway isn't getting a game at Sunderland.
Both.... Koeman for letting Galloway go on loan and Walsh for not getting one in.... assuming Koeman asked him for one. Saying that, they were probably too pre-occupied with Sigurdsson and his agent for 2 months.
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 02:53:36 AM
To be fair Galloway isn't getting a game at Sunderland.
Thats because he's bang average
Post by: charlatan on October 24, 2017, 03:10:57 AM
What do you say @Deano Blue Boy (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=148) ?
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 03:16:40 AM
To be fair Galloway isn't getting a game at Sunderland.
I know, I'm not saying Galloway was the answer.... but he was decent in his 1st season at the club. In fact, out of him and Holgate, he seemed the better player.
Koeman bombed him out from his 1st pre season. He could still play left of a 3 and left back when called upon. Hes basically another Koeman has killed.
All said though, we should've bought another LB.
Post by: Ridge on October 24, 2017, 03:17:49 AM
(http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=94838.0;attach=8405;image)
The funny thing is I think Niasse actually would wish Koeman good luck and mean it.
Had plenty of opportunity to show it was personal or he held a grudge and never did. I assume Koeman turning away when he scored was partly because he was expecting Niasse might make a point and he did, for the ball. Was one of the only players still trying for him, as the ship was saved from fire, by sinking against Arsenal.
He has now got 4 goals in 180 mins, 3 of them were assists from Davies, 2 of the goals he won the ball in the first place. Now he gets to play for the manager who he played so hard for in the under 23s and who knows his qualities and believed in him.
Love this bit after the 2 goals at Bournemouth.
Post by: bluestevie on October 24, 2017, 04:52:28 AM
Scenario for new manager after first three games -
Out of the League Cup
Bottom two
Out of the Europa Cup
That bloody Koeman
Or
Quarter Final of League Cup
Up 4-5 places in the league
Still with a slim chance of qualifying for Europa knockouts
Post by: phillyt on October 24, 2017, 04:52:49 AM
Personally would have binned him at half time in the atalanta match. I don’t know whether it was a lack of skill or a lack of will but not being prepared for a massive game is totally unacceptable.
There is also the argument that the transfer window was a shambles. Personally I don’t buy that. Replacing lukaku was never going to happen, but it’s worth remembering that with or without his goals we would still have finished 7th. The fact is we have options at center forward, not great ones but options all the same. Between Calvert lewin, niasse and even the likes of mirralas he had players capable of playing that role if they had sufficient support or supply.
We have conceded 22 goals in 10 games the argument that a lack of striker is our main issue lacks credibility.
Just because he had 3 number 10s in the squad doesn’t mean he had to play more than 1 at a time. Rooney is 32. He should be playing cup games and on the bench or as cover in the league. The only real disaster was martina who was definitely a koeman signing.
Steve Walsh’s job, as far as I’m aware, covers more than just the first team and he has pulled in a some good players at academy level. I think there is room for improvement but given koemans aloofness and apparent disinterest the question should be asked how supportive koeman was in the transfer process. As a player I imagine you want to know the manager or head coach wants you and is going to put you in the team. If Ronnie either neglected that or participated reluctantly and or sullenly I can see why giroud or whoever else we went for might have decided to stay put.
I’m excited to see what happens now. I think we will see an instant improvement. Chelsea will not have out a first choice team and we should be bang up for it. The fact the next three games are away might be a help rather than a hinderence. Apart from the Chelsea match (if they did put a strong team out) we should win both of those games. A couple of wins breeds confidence and then if can put a decent run together. Squeeze through in the EL thecseason suddenly looks a lot rosier.
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 24, 2017, 05:02:13 AM
Marco Silva for me.
Agree.
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2017, 05:05:56 AM
Post by: bluenuck on October 24, 2017, 05:06:34 AM
Marco Silva is the flavour of the month. Watford will finish 12-15 and no one will remember his name at the end of the season.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 05:07:32 AM
Said it before and I'll say it again.
Marco Silva is the flavour of the month. Watford will finish 12-15 and no one will remember his name at the end of the season.
You're running the risk of that being @Jimmywhack (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) next sig!
Post by: Bally on October 24, 2017, 05:17:04 AM
Said it ages ago and got shot down about Ross waiting for Koeman to go before signing a new deal.We have audio proof, you said it on a podcast
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2017, 05:22:36 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2017, 05:24:36 AM
Post by: Django on October 24, 2017, 06:12:33 AM
Really?? Are you serious?
I am. I just get the feeling that there’s something massively off with the performances under the last two managers. The players seem far to happy to throw in the towel at a moment’s notice. There’s no way our players aren’t good enough, there’s an air of unprofessionalism around the whole club.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 24, 2017, 06:26:38 AM
https://twitter.com/FootyAccums/status/921645768955572224
Koeman spoke about this in the post match press conference after the Lyon match, he said something like he was dutch but he didnt help us, then went on a rant about what you posted.. lol
Post by: brap2 on October 24, 2017, 06:42:22 AM
I am. I just get the feeling that there’s something massively off with the performances under the last two managers. The players seem far to happy to throw in the towel at a moment’s notice. There’s no way our players aren’t good enough, there’s an air of unprofessionalism around the whole club.
lol, edit:
Been a number of occasions in which we've just totally collapsed on the pitch with absolutely zero fight, going back to Roberto's reign. Worrying lack of mental strength.
Post by: Jamokachi on October 24, 2017, 07:16:00 AM
Southampton.
With whom Koeman had beef. Perhaps he doesn't work well in the structure we're now employing. Which should have been analysed before his appointment.
Post by: stirlingblue on October 24, 2017, 10:32:52 AM
Said it before and I'll say it again.
Marco Silva is the flavour of the month. Watford will finish 12-15 and no one will remember his name at the end of the season.
Calm down Paul Merson
Post by: GLewis on October 24, 2017, 11:57:31 AM
With whom Koeman had beef. Perhaps he doesn't work well in the structure we're now employing. Which should have been analysed before his appointment.
Don’t think he’s worked anywhere without a DoF to be fair.
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 24, 2017, 12:24:10 PM
Oh well - disappointing
How many more frogs are we gonna kiss before we find our prince?
Not sure a French manager is what we need, much less a series of them. Particularly if Paul Le Guen is one of them.
Post by: Trowel on October 24, 2017, 12:26:32 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/self-admiring-ronald-koeman-saw-everton-as-his-stepping-stone-tjd2bbb0d
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
Post by: Goaljira on October 24, 2017, 01:03:23 PM
If that number plate thing is legit then that's fucking embarrassing
What number plate thing?
Post by: Trublue on October 24, 2017, 01:29:26 PM
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 01:49:11 PM
If that number plate thing is legit then that's fucking embarrassing
it certainly is
doubt he'll even get a ticket now, let alone the manager's job
Post by: Trowel on October 24, 2017, 01:58:01 PM
Post by: brap2 on October 24, 2017, 02:01:08 PM
Don’t think he’s worked anywhere without a DoF to be fair.
Maybe he's just always had real ones
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 02:04:30 PM
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 02:04:31 PM
If that number plate thing is legit then that's fucking embarrassing
Is it, or is it just a bit of jealousy? Hes an idol at arguably the biggest club in the world, its similar to when Clattenburg got those tattoos of his achievements, its a reminder of the great things they've done during their lives and means something to them. Deep down we probably all wish would could do it, but its a lot easier to have a pop at others for embracing their success rather than admiring what they've done.
Post by: Gash on October 24, 2017, 02:23:10 PM
His Number plate finishes BAR (Barcelona)
His wife's called Bartina.
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 02:29:16 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 02:29:38 PM
Is it, or is it just a bit of jealousy? Hes an idol at arguably the biggest club in the world, its similar to when Clattenburg got those tattoos of his achievements, its a reminder of the great things they've done during their lives and means something to them. Deep down we probably all wish would could do it, but its a lot easier to have a pop at others for embracing their success rather than admiring what they've done.
Jealousy?
He's was manager of Everton football club driving round with another teams name on his number plate for fuck sake.
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 02:32:53 PM
Jealousy?
He's was manager of Everton football club driving round with another teams name on his number plate for fuck sake.
His wife's called Bartina.
?
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 02:34:26 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 02:34:37 PM
Times Journo has made himself look a right amateur there
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 02:40:37 PM
Jealousy?
He's was manager of Everton football club driving round with another teams name on his number plate for fuck sake.
It was his wife's name !
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 02:42:24 PM
Henry Winter is spot on here - paywall, but if you can't see it all you can get the gist from the opening.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/self-admiring-ronald-koeman-saw-everton-as-his-stepping-stone-tjd2bbb0d
There are five very interesting articles about Everton in The Times today, including "Evertons signings the wort in Premiership history"
Post by: hill135 on October 24, 2017, 02:43:02 PM
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 02:43:50 PM
Paul Joyce has written an article in the Times talking about how he alienated the players but it’s behind a paywall. Any subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions)rs on here that can copy and paste?
Will try !
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 24, 2017, 02:48:22 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171024/1c7d7630438c808e02e89067c884a17a.jpg)Hi career started off brilliant................ then went downhill rapido
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2017, 02:50:41 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 03:05:19 PM
We can't have Fray Bentos as a manager - coz that's what they'll call him!
First thing I thought of and I am ashamed it made me hungry. PIE's!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Zk9mW5OmXTz9e/giphy.gif)
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 03:23:06 PM
Paul Joyce has written an article in the Times talking about how he alienated the players but it’s behind a paywall. Any subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions)rs on here that can copy and paste?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/if-koeman-was-aiming-for-the-barcelona-job-another-sacking-wont-help-qnz3bctwr?shareToken=d1cdcad9d0920d8853fbc5a39e059570
more links to follow
Post by: Brownie on October 24, 2017, 03:29:21 PM
(Disclaimer - I don't believe it before the usual beauts on here start saying things about being mad thinking it's going to happen)
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/if-koeman-was-aiming-for-the-barcelona-job-another-sacking-wont-help-qnz3bctwr?shareToken=d1cdcad9d0920d8853fbc5a39e059570
more links to follow
Good read there Escla, looks like he ran the club around his personal life. Lucky we get rid when we did.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 03:38:35 PM
Post by: hill135 on October 24, 2017, 03:40:02 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/if-koeman-was-aiming-for-the-barcelona-job-another-sacking-wont-help-qnz3bctwr?shareToken=d1cdcad9d0920d8853fbc5a39e059570
more links to follow
Nice one lid.
He essentially comes across as a bit half-arsed, and it showed through the team and on the pitch.
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 03:40:09 PM
Good read there Escla, looks like he ran the club around his personal life. Lucky we get rid when we did.
Here's the Henry Winter one ! Wish I hadn't said yesterday that I would have given him the next three games :titanic:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/if-koeman-was-aiming-for-the-barcelona-job-another-sacking-wont-help-qnz3bctwr?shareToken=d1cdcad9d0920d8853fbc5a39e059570
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 03:40:56 PM
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 03:47:54 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/everton-signings-the-worst-in-premier-league-history-5kqtxl22j?shareToken=2fef304389708f77030f99e6ce4c58f1
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 03:48:07 PM
There u go
Hi Ronnie, I was talking to Santa in Asda you’ve been a naughty cunt so your not getting your Christmas wish, Barca don’t fucking want you.
Post by: Fynci on October 24, 2017, 05:25:28 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again.
Marco Silva is the flavour of the month. Watford will finish 12-15 and no one will remember his name at the end of the season.
Glad I’m not the only one thinking the very same.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 05:26:47 PM
Watford
Post by: Tinga on October 24, 2017, 06:03:00 PM
Koeman sounds like a real cunt. It's no wonder we are in 18th position.
Post by: Hawkandro on October 24, 2017, 06:38:38 PM
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 06:51:40 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 24, 2017, 08:16:25 PM
Yes, probably much like Mourinho, Ferguson, and going much further back and closer to home, Catterick - all of them probably bastards to work for. Now Roberto was a really nice man and a pleasure to play for. He would tell you that you are the best player ever and will be a legend. I know which type I prefer - the bastards. Niasse, bless him, would not have got a job as a ball boy under the bastards.
Seems like you're pushing aside the awful treatment of a seemingly nice guy. Interesting that.
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 08:42:36 PM
Looking back his treatment of Barkley was met with mixed reactions at the time but he was given the benefit of the doubt as he was Ronald Koeman. Maybe now, if Barkley signs, we'll see a rejuvenated Ross freed from the old self-limiting shackles and given a fresh start. Although God knows where he'll play seeing as we have about a dozen players for about three positions now.
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 09:13:07 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 09:22:33 PM
Nice guys don't tend to win things, generally speaking.
And when bellends perform woefully, everyone can't wait til they fuck off.
Post by: blueToffee on October 24, 2017, 09:26:59 PM
Nice guys don't tend to win things, generally speaking.
Ranieri? Guardiola? Mancini? Pochettino (albeit still yet to win) I think it's down to competence and drive myself (and a boatload of money). We're used to associating success with the likes of Ferguson and Wenger who are testy and petulant. I actually think it's been changing a bit in recent years as coaching has evolved. It's less about just showing "passion" and a bit more analytical and motivational work.
Basically whether you're nice or a complete arse, I think there are more important factors at work. Either one can be successful these days though.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 09:27:17 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/oct/24/ronald-koeman-everton-post-cruyffians-ajax-barcelona
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 09:29:43 PM
Sandro and Klassen are crap. Don't you go to the games? In which game have you seen either in which they were other than crap? Koeman did not make them so. He or someone else dropped a clanger in signing them. Even Klassen writes an article which explains "why it is so difficult to play in the PL"
Yes I did not want massive disruption and wanted Koeman to turn it around, but am well aware there were no signs of it, and what has happened was inevitable. I have no opinion on Unsworth except he is not and has never been a football manager. Imagine one of the so-called big clubs turning their team over to a U23 coach? No, neither can I. Two games only regardless.
Probably a bit late with this but you mean like Barcelona did?
Post by: bluenuck on October 24, 2017, 10:09:07 PM
As for niasse. Niasse isn't good, guys. He was told that and put on the U 23's and told that they would try to get a deal for him to play elsewhere, which eventually they did.
Tell me why this is so "terrible"? It's football. It's professional football.
I'm not a koeman fan, but let's just stick to facts. He sucked as a manager, and helped screw up a major transfer window.
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 10:59:16 PM
Post by: Django on October 24, 2017, 11:20:39 PM
He and his cronies having to be first sat down for lunch etc. Not surprising to hear.
Post by: Django on October 24, 2017, 11:22:33 PM
His treatment of Barkley has been nothing but fine as far as we know. He wanted him to sign, and he wanted him to play.
As for niasse. Niasse isn't good, guys. He was told that and put on the U 23's and told that they would try to get a deal for him to play elsewhere, which eventually they did.
Tell me why this is so "terrible"? It's football. It's professional football.
I'm not a koeman fan, but let's just stick to facts. He sucked as a manager, and helped screw up a major transfer window.
Niasse is as good an option as any of the other strikers we have on the books and has 3 league goals after only playing in 4 games and starting 1. He's not as bad as we all originally thought and should of been in contention all season long.
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:39:14 PM
Loads of word that Koeman was a complete control freak around FF.Did the others subsist from crumbs off the cronies' table then?
He and his cronies having to be first sat down for lunch etc. Not surprising to hear.
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 11:43:05 PM
I handed my season ticket in to a steward saying I wouldn't be back until Koeman was sacked
Today, I got the season ticket that I handed in back through the post!
Either they thought it was top trolling, or they are quick off the mark!
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 11:51:34 PM
Didn't know Barca were facing relegation when they made that change. Presumably whoever took over carried on from a good foundation?
Are we facing relegation? Also all clubs have their targets. Unsworths targets here would be relative to our abilities.
Let's be quite clear here we are a lot more likely to avoid relegation than Barcelona were to win the title when they appointed guardiola. So by your argument unsworths targets are a lot more achievable. If it's avoiding relegation then he has an easy job
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 25, 2017, 01:36:10 AM
Loads of word that Koeman was a complete control freak around FF.
He and his cronies having to be first sat down for lunch etc. Not surprising to hear.
Aye, Lois van Gaal was the same at United. Wonder if DeBoer did this as well/a Dutch thing?
Should have known Koeman wouldn't last long though....https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/14/liverpool-everton-premier-league-title-contenders-ronald-koeman
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 03:18:59 PM
There are ways to act as a decent human being which ensures you get respect and it looks like he was lacking in that regards.
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 03:22:56 PM
But, it does seem that he's a massive control freak, a stubborn one at that, refused to speak to players for days on occasion, and wouldn't listen to any new ideas in training etc
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 03:32:39 PM
got to give the club credit here
I handed my season ticket in to a steward saying I wouldn't be back until Koeman was sacked
Today, I got the season ticket that I handed in back through the post!
Either they thought it was top trolling, or they are quick off the mark!
So you're the reason why he was sacked then, can imagine the convo between Bill and Elstone
Elstone - Bill we need to sort this now, Si off NSNO has handed his season ticket back and said he won't come back until Koeman is gone"
Bill - Ill let Farhad know asap
<Adds Farhad to whatsapp group>
Farhad - Hey guys, funny game wasn't it, just been on the phone to my mate Jim White, told him Ronald is still the man for the job, he will add to his news bit on Sky Sports later, great guy he is
Bill - Go on, tell him Robert..
Farhad - Whats up, is the cladding ok? Tell me its ok!!
Elstone - Mr Farhad boss, Si from NSNO has handed his season ticket back and said he won't come back until Koeman is gone
<Farhad is typing>
Bill - Spit it our lad
<Farhad is typing>
Elstone - We need to act now boss
Farhad - SACK THE USELESS TWAT NOW!
Bill - Pick me up from mine at 12 tomorrow Rob, and someone throw Si's season ticket in the post back to him
Post by: Trowel on October 25, 2017, 05:01:48 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/oct/25/david-squires-on-koeman-southall-and-a-wild-week-at-everton
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 05:08:54 PM
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 05:14:14 PM
A lot of the stuff being drip fed out now doesn’t reflect well on him to be honest. If even half of it is true it’s no wonder it looked like morale was low.
There are ways to act as a decent human being which ensures you get respect and it looks like he was lacking in that regards.
Let's not forget that this always happens after people leave the club. Almost as if it was done on purpose.
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 05:16:05 PM
So you're the reason why he was sacked then, can imagine the convo between Bill and Elstone
Elstone - Bill we need to sort this now, Si off NSNO has handed his season ticket back and said he won't come back until Koeman is gone"
Bill - Ill let Farhad know asap
<Adds Farhad to whatsapp group>
Farhad - Hey guys, funny game wasn't it, just been on the phone to my mate Jim White, told him Ronald is still the man for the job, he will add to his news bit on Sky Sports later, great guy he is
Bill - Go on, tell him Robert..
Farhad - Whats up, is the cladding ok? Tell me its ok!!
Elstone - Mr Farhad boss, Si from NSNO has handed his season ticket back and said he won't come back until Koeman is gone
<Farhad is typing>
Bill - Spit it our lad
<Farhad is typing>
Elstone - We need to act now boss
Farhad - SACK THE USELESS TWAT NOW!
Bill - Pick me up from mine at 12 tomorrow Rob, and someone throw Si's season ticket in the post back to him
I'm waiting for the Downfall spoof video edition of this scene :)
Post by: Ramjam on October 25, 2017, 05:18:36 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 25, 2017, 05:31:09 PM
Squires with the best Neville Southall you could imagine.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/oct/25/david-squires-on-koeman-southall-and-a-wild-week-at-everton
Usual quality from Squires, with extra laughs because it is Everton. Some great little details. Love all the lefty ex players.
Post by: Jamokachi on October 25, 2017, 05:35:46 PM
Squires with the best Neville Southall you could imagine.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/oct/25/david-squires-on-koeman-southall-and-a-wild-week-at-everton
amazing
Post by: boothill on October 25, 2017, 05:36:14 PM
I'm waiting for the Downfall spoof video edition of this scene :)There was a spoof were adolf was offered a house in waterloo after the war, but he wanted blundellsands, it was very very funny, but cant find a link to it anywhere
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 05:46:42 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/922975812881715200
Seems to be a common theme with everything that's coming out.
Post by: blargins on October 25, 2017, 06:04:25 PM
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 06:25:38 PM
Remember when Andy Gray was a few hours from becoming our manager back in the 90s? Was gutted when he decided against it.
He had no intention of becoming our manager, turned us down blaming someone at the club for making his possible appointment public, when in reality he used us to get a hefty payrise from Sky,
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 06:27:30 PM
He had no intention of becoming our manager, turned us down blaming someone at the club for making his possible appointment public, when in reality he used us to get a hefty payrise from Sky,
I don't think that was entirely true. He'd have been silly not to at least give it some serious thought.
Post by: Hawkandro on October 25, 2017, 07:09:34 PM
Ibrahimovic was sold to Juventus in the ensuing mess and, without a striker, Ajax collapsed.
Sounds like history has repeated itself for Koeman.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 08:07:38 PM
You either take to an arrogant Colonel style management or you don't ("I'm in charge, you'll do it my way or the highway")
Cloughie was like that, his captain John McGovern quoted "He could speak to me how he wanted and I'd still run through the desert all day for him, but would I socialise and go to a restaurant with him - no way, didn't like the man!"
I don't think any of Harry Catterick's players had a good word to say about him
In the 60s & 70s players didn't have a lot of choice and so responded to it, but now, as Alan Ball once said "How do you motivate a bunch of millionaires?" They can turn their back on a manager without really being hurt
Gotta move with the times, Unsy! It would appear that the Dutch, haven't
Post by: Ridge on October 25, 2017, 08:47:48 PM
Brilliant this
This is one of the best things I've read lolol
Post by: Simon Paul on October 26, 2017, 01:22:54 AM
Seems to be a common theme with everything that's coming out.
but anyone who said it two weeks ago was pounced upon
Post by: Everton Mint on October 26, 2017, 03:59:54 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 04:02:49 AM
Should've sacked him weeks ago after watching tonight's improvement...
A few of us said that...weeks ago, and we're told to wind our necks in. We'd still be in the El for starters.
Post by: Lazarou on October 26, 2017, 04:22:19 AM
Was the Barkley situation the start of the downfall? That would kind of fit in the timeline. If someone is well liked in the dressing room and someone pissed them off why would it not effect the other players, then maybe some of Koeman's other shall we say quirks start to niggle then before you know it everyone thinks the boss is a wanker.
Post by: boothill on October 26, 2017, 04:35:35 AM
Post by: Django on October 26, 2017, 05:51:32 AM
“That was really hard to swallow. You tell me, where you can get a better striker? Lukaku was so important for us, not just because of his goals. He had a certain way of playing as a striker – strong.
“He could hold the ball, he always had an eye for the goal, he was fast. If things were not going well in a game, if we could not play the way we were used to, there was always the option to use the long ball towards him.
“All of a sudden [after Giroud’s decision], we were missing such a player. With Nikola Vlasic and Wayne Rooney, we had attackers who want the ball at their feet.
“When you are struggling as a team with the build-up from the back, and we no longer had the option to kick it long, you know you have a problem.”
Post by: Django on October 26, 2017, 05:54:37 AM
"I could figure out how things could go. I was sure I would be on the bench against Arsenal on Sunday. But another defeat against Arsenal and I could see that anything would happen.
"And if things did not improve in those last games, I had worked out what would happen.
"Maybe there was a chance to coach against Chelsea in the EFL Cup and maybe I would be able to do Leicester City away and Watford just before the international break."
Post by: Django on October 26, 2017, 06:19:19 AM
'I looked at it and saw that five of our first nine games would be against clubs from last season's top six: Chelsea, Tottenham, Man City, Man United and Arsenal.
'I looked at it again and I said to myself, ''Phew!'
'That is not going to be an easy run, in particular with a Europa League run at the same time and a really early start with all the players because of the European games. And most of all, because I had lost my striker Lukaku.'
Ronald mate he's left us, get over it man.
Post by: bluenuck on October 26, 2017, 06:58:16 AM
'I was on holiday when I received the Premier League fixture list by e-mail.
'I looked at it and saw that five of our first nine games would be against clubs from last season's top six: Chelsea, Tottenham, Man City, Man United and Arsenal.
'I looked at it again and I said to myself, ''Phew!'
'That is not going to be an easy run, in particular with a Europa League run at the same time and a really early start with all the players because of the European games. And most of all, because I had lost my striker Lukaku.
Not making Excuses for the guy. But there's 3 massive parts in this quote to why he was sacked. Tough start + tons of new players + no striker.
He was doomed from the start.
Post by: Lazarou on October 26, 2017, 12:06:44 PM
Not making Excuses for the guy. But there's 3 massive parts in this quote to why he was sacked. Tough start + tons of new players + no striker.
He was doomed from the start.
Nah, he got himself sacked by the manner his teams played and the way he went about game management also he had lost the players. That's why he was sacked.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 26, 2017, 03:37:12 PM
Post by: Fynci on February 03, 2018, 01:10:17 AM
Post by: Ramjam on February 03, 2018, 01:39:45 AM
Post by: gizzblue on February 03, 2018, 02:14:27 AM
Post by: Waltzer on February 03, 2018, 02:17:19 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 03, 2018, 02:36:12 AM
Good luck to him, the board should've shown more faith and he should still be here.
Jesus!!
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 03, 2018, 03:04:01 AM
Jesus!!No, Koeman. 🙄
Post by: BlueForYou on February 03, 2018, 03:05:54 AM
The board did the Judas thing and turned their back on him
Watch the resurrection of Holland
All the best, Ron - wish you were (still)here
Post by: Simon Paul on February 03, 2018, 03:43:28 AM
Good luck to him, the board should've shown more faith and he should still be here.Him or Allardyce is a tough choice to be fair
Post by: TheRam on February 03, 2018, 04:30:14 AM
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 03, 2018, 04:45:41 AM
Shame Allardyce got sacked.
Post by: Ross on February 03, 2018, 04:50:56 AM
Post by: kramer0 on February 03, 2018, 05:10:42 AM
Just watch him go against Martinez in the final. Odds?
In the World Cup?
I'd say there's a 0% chance of that happening.
Post by: Tony Clifton on February 03, 2018, 05:33:57 AM
He's the man to sort them out now? Dutch football must be in a right old state.
Post by: gizzblue on February 03, 2018, 05:59:21 AM
Just watch him go against Martinez in the final. Odds?I will give you my house if that happens .. .and a go on the wife.
Shame Allardyce got sacked.
Post by: Bally on February 03, 2018, 05:56:51 PM
Good luck to him, the board should've shown more faith and he should still be here.Wut
Jesus saves but Koeman gets the reboundsWut
The board did the Judas thing and turned their back on him
Watch the resurrection of Holland
All the best, Ron - wish you were (still)here
Well fuck me sideways
Post by: Bally on February 03, 2018, 05:57:23 PM
They're in for their second football revolution, total Ditch football to follow.Boss typo
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 03, 2018, 08:06:11 PM
I will give you my house if that happens .. .and a go on the wife.
I was being facetious but if you insist......
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 03, 2018, 08:06:47 PM
In the World Cup?
I'd say there's a 0% chance of that happening.
You're on!
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 03, 2018, 08:56:27 PM
Just watch him go against Martinez in the final. Odds?
Shame Allardyce got sacked.
thank you for the tip Mr Sarnie.
Post by: Toffee1 on February 06, 2018, 12:29:34 AM
Good luck to him and them.
Post by: Escla on February 06, 2018, 12:50:18 AM
In the World Cup?
I'd say there's a 0% chance of that happening.
Who’s going to tell bacon sarnie that they didn’t qualify ?
Post by: Confucius on February 06, 2018, 03:44:34 AM
Who’s going to tell bacon sarnie that they didn’t qualify ?
I was waiting till the sweepstakes. "draw" Netherlands for him and @Sir Stealth (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=904) and I go for Nando's with the 20quid.
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 06, 2018, 04:30:03 AM
Who’s going to tell bacon sarnie that they didn’t qualify ?
Ha, smarty-pants, was projecting the world cup after as Koeman will have grown another batch of #10s.
Post by: toffee_scot on February 09, 2018, 04:46:30 AM
Koeman flops at Everton - gets Holland job
Walter Smith flopped at Everton - gets Scotland job once and might be getting it again.
Post by: Macca77 on February 09, 2018, 04:48:23 AM
Post by: blue slug on February 09, 2018, 04:48:48 AM
Martinez flops at Everton - gets Belgium job
Koeman flops at Everton - gets Holland job
Walter Smith flopped at Everton - gets Scotland job once and might be getting it again.
Well Sam won’t be getting the England job lol
Post by: toffee_scot on February 09, 2018, 04:50:32 AM
Post by: Toffee1 on February 09, 2018, 04:53:43 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on February 09, 2018, 04:58:59 AM
Martinez flops at Everton - gets Belgium job
Koeman flops at Everton - gets Holland job
Allardyce to Luxembourg, you say?
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 06:00:58 PM
Plus Billy Bingham became Northern Ireland manager not too long after he was sacked by Everton
few hard working players few great players and a song took us to the world cup with billy
toped the 1st stage
Pos
Qualification
1
Northern Ireland 3 1 2 0 2 1 +1 4 Advance to second round
2
Spain 3 1 1 1 3 3 0 3
3
Yugoslavia 3 1 1 1 2 2 0 3
4
Honduras 3 0 2 1 2 3 −1 2
Post by: Echoance on February 13, 2018, 06:24:12 PM
Post by: gizzblue on February 13, 2018, 06:33:09 PM
We are a stepping-stone club.Here's hoping Sam steps somewhere/anywhere else ....
Post by: Lxxx on February 13, 2018, 06:40:45 PM
We are a stepping-stone club.
Have we ever been any different this generation?
Post by: Waltzer on February 13, 2018, 06:44:40 PM
Have we ever been any different this generation?
You could throw that at most clubs though, with the exception of Real and Barca. Nothing has ever really changed, every team is happy to sell if the price is right and always will be. The only real difference is clubs have lost their backbone to some extent and allowed players to dictate what happens, it should be a negotiable position, but I think its gone to far towards the players.
Post by: 74Blue on February 13, 2018, 07:08:46 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 13, 2018, 07:15:17 PM
You could throw that at most clubs though, with the exception of Real and Barca. Nothing has ever really changed, every team is happy to sell if the price is right and always will be. The only real difference is clubs have lost their backbone to some extent and allowed players to dictate what happens, it should be a negotiable position, but I think its gone to far towards the players.
I get the sentiment like. But, at the end of the day, they are employees and deserve the same legal rights and protections as you or I.
If i wanted to leave my current employer (even if doing so would make me a tit and leave colleagues struggling) then i am and should be allowed to do so.
Post by: Lxxx on February 13, 2018, 07:56:16 PM
I get the sentiment like. But, at the end of the day, they are employees and deserve the same legal rights and protections as you or I.
If i wanted to leave my current employer (even if doing so would make me a tit and leave colleagues struggling) then i am and should be allowed to do so.
Especially in the case of Mahrez recently. Denying him the chance to move to the top of his profession after he's helped them perform a miracle and win the league, and they'd also make a 15,000% markup on him, was a bit shitty to be honest. He'll never reach the Champions League or probably win a trophy again for Leicester and they'll probably never get another offer of £60m for him.
Post by: Waltzer on February 13, 2018, 08:05:19 PM
Especially in the case of Mahrez recently. Denying him the chance to move to the top of his profession after he's helped them perform a miracle and win the league, and they'd also make a 15,000% markup on him, was a bit shitty to be honest. He'll never reach the Champions League or probably win a trophy again for Leicester and they'll probably never get another offer of £60m for him.
But you cant have it both ways, he was happy to sign a 4/5 year contract, probably tripling his wages. If his form dipped the club would be forced to pay that, or if he got injured and was out for a season. I personally would have let Mahrez go as it wasnt the first occasion but it needs to be both ways
Post by: Ridge on February 14, 2018, 07:00:09 AM
He won them the title alright. I think you never really allow the best players to leave, they have release clauses or run down their contract so you're forced to take a price. Either that or start getting pictured with bongs and prostitutes or piss everyone off sufficiently to seek an exit. Things can change in 6 months and even if he sulks for a bit, he'll want to play at some point, between windows you have fresh if diminishing chance to renegotiate new contract, maybe give a release clause, 3/4 of the year is outside a transfer window.
Plenty of players have downed tools only to pick them back up not long after. And plenty of those have gone on to sign new contracts with existing club, it sometimes just needs more hope, new manager and a much bigger pile of money. Only clubs get to interact or negotiate directly with them on regular basis. Lukaku gave Koeman a chance to move us on and even when he hadn't, he still nearly signed. I think in January you're always going to get some very good players feeling the season is over, so you tend to get more strops.
Post by: Macca77 on March 28, 2018, 10:29:49 PM
https://twitter.com/prenno/status/978999471362248705
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 28, 2018, 10:35:08 PM
Post by: Gash on March 28, 2018, 10:36:24 PM
Post by: TheRam on March 28, 2018, 10:42:48 PM
I reckon this could even mean Sam stays next season.
I don't think Moshiri would want 4 managers on the payroll.
Post by: Lxxx on March 28, 2018, 10:51:21 PM
Post by: Macca77 on March 28, 2018, 11:14:58 PM
Losing more faith in Moshiri by the day me.
I reckon this could even mean Sam stays next season.
I don't think Moshiri would want 4 managers on the payroll.
This is exactly what I think, horrible
Post by: Major Clanger on March 28, 2018, 11:16:32 PM
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Post by: bluestevie on March 29, 2018, 01:28:49 AM
Who the fuck does the commercial negotiations at the club? Seriously if this was any other industry other than football, with the amounts of money involved, they would have an army of legal and contractual experts crawling all over the commercials of every aspect of the business. Maybe other clubs do it properly but we seem to scrimp at employing suitably qualified personnel in most areas of the business.
That's Suntan's job isn't it? Being CEO and all
Post by: Jamokachi on March 29, 2018, 02:57:58 AM
Post by: Ridge on March 29, 2018, 03:21:53 AM
We sacked Martinez and hired Koeman before Martinez got Belgium job. So we hadn't been burned once, before we agreed terms in same manner.
Post by: chang on March 29, 2018, 03:32:07 AM
Post by: Jamokachi on March 29, 2018, 03:35:02 AM
Don't see the problem with it myself - not bother working and Everton pay 100% of the outstanding contract, as it is the Dutch FA are paying a little bit and us the rest - what ever the amount is will be a saving on what we owe him ?
It's true that we're paying less than if he remained unemployed. Still, it's good to fume.
On a seperate note I like that turn of phrase I just coined. Maybe we could replace "the people's club" with it?
Everton: It's Good to Fume
Post by: Alanvideo on March 29, 2018, 05:14:16 AM
Don't see the problem with it myself - not bother working and Everton pay 100% of the outstanding contract, as it is the Dutch FA are paying a little bit and us the rest - what ever the amount is will be a saving on what we owe him ?..............that would appear to be the case but as said earlier the Dutch have been smart enough to take advantage .
Post by: blargins on March 29, 2018, 06:40:54 AM
Post by: kramer0 on March 29, 2018, 07:13:04 AM
Our own stupid fault for not providing him with the means to be successful.
Huh? He had more than a Ronald Koeman should ever have. The only thing we didn't give him was Sammy Lee.
He didn't succeed because he had crap ideas about how to play football* and crap taste in players.
* Defense first, lots of crossing in attack. Sound like anyone? Koeman is basically just Moyes/Allardyce with a stellar playing career to hide behind.
Post by: blargins on March 29, 2018, 07:46:19 AM
Huh? He had more than a Ronald Koeman should ever have. The only thing we didn't give him was Sammy Lee.He wanted a striker and a left back for a start. Going into the season with an unbalanced squad killed him.
He didn't succeed because he had crap ideas about how to play football* and crap taste in players.
* Defense first, lots of crossing in attack. Sound like anyone? Koeman is basically just Moyes/Allardyce with a stellar playing career to hide behind.
In hindsight I would have rather kept him than gone with what we have now.
I agree he wasn’t the answer but he was closer to it than fatso.
Post by: Confucius on March 29, 2018, 12:37:25 PM
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 29, 2018, 09:19:39 PM
Post by: gizzblue on March 30, 2018, 12:09:38 AM
He'll turn the Dutch around & not having to buy players will help immensely.Long as they do well in the world c......oh wait 😅😅
Post by: Ross on March 30, 2018, 07:53:06 AM
....erm
#itsmoshirismoney
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 30, 2018, 11:16:09 PM
Long as they do well in the world c......oh wait 😅😅
Did I tell you they're not in it?
Post by: gizzblue on March 30, 2018, 11:18:19 PM
Did I tell you they're not in it?Nope.
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 31, 2018, 12:32:20 AM
Nope.
Damn. Fuckin ganja!