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Title: Unsworth
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 05:54:30 PM
I love this fella, the shit he used to take coz that walter smith put him out to left back, and did he hide ? Did he fuck, hard as nails he is, would run through the preverbial brick wall for you, would love to see him get the gig, a lot more experienced than getting credit for. GO RHINO
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 05:57:19 PM
Well! He's got the perfect opportunity. There's nothing standing in his way atm.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 05:59:48 PM
Would love a true blue to get the job, and get us some silverware.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 06:03:55 PM
OK, I will take the job, not sure about the silverware though. I might have some of my mother's somewhere if that will do?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rhys on October 24, 2017, 06:15:06 PM
I love this fella, the shit he used to take coz that walter smith put him out to left back, and did he hide ? Did he fuck, hard as nails he is, would run through the preverbial brick wall for you, would love to see him get the gig, a lot more experienced than getting credit for. GO RHINO

Left back was least of the problems, Walter at times used to use him centre midfield!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 24, 2017, 06:18:55 PM
I love a bit of heart ruling head action.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 06:25:55 PM
Aaahh! Didn't Unsie return from West Ham cos he was homesick in the big city?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blargins on October 24, 2017, 06:26:45 PM
Aaahh! Didn't Unsie return from West Ham cos he was homesick in the big city?

Via Villa for a day.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 06:27:38 PM
I love a bit of heart ruling head action.
Niether has been shown so far this season, so 1 out of 2 is a start. Make them fight for their shirt
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 06:30:42 PM
John Gregory said that Unsy's wife wears the trousers

Say that to Rhino - duck
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 06:31:42 PM
Via Villa for a day.
Knew where he wanted to be, same with ferguson and howard kendall, and i'm pretty sure others went and returned
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 06:35:29 PM
How sweet. There must be loads on here who would take a job at Everton, even as a doorman, just for the thrill of being there each day.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 06:43:11 PM
John Gregory said that Unsy's wife wears the trousers

Say that to Rhino - duck

Quack
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Normm on October 24, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
Although as a blue I hate to say it: Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish - promoted from within - gave Liverpool their best spell.

When the backroom staff have the talent, promote!  Everton could have prepared Kendall to take over the squad. Thankfully, he came back - a true blue!

Unsworth is the obvious choice and deserves the chance by an Aintree mile. He has proved his worth with the under 23's.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:17:09 PM
Now look here Normm, I was enjoying this until you said that.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
https://www.pscp.tv/Everton/1yNxaVoNeyNKj
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 07:46:53 PM
Thank you, Audrey
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:48:07 PM
I put this on another thread in error.
Imagine Unsie giving his team talk. "Now Wayne this is what I want you to do.... Wayne, would you put that fucking phone down and listen to my advice on how to play". Wayne WAYNE come back here!!!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
He has to stay involved with the first team
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 07:51:20 PM
Just watched his presser, love him - fuck it, itís a lottery anyway- Iím all aboard the Rhino Express! Choo choo!!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 07:53:48 PM
He spoke brilliantly there, praised the players
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:54:52 PM
Who is that lying on the line ahead ??? It's poor old Ron. Break Unsie! Seriously, where will the Rhino Express take us? The driver's window is all blacked out.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 07:57:14 PM
Sounds like he has at least a few games. Good luck Rhino, true blue.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Juanito on October 24, 2017, 07:59:11 PM
Wouldnít mind if he was Tuchelís assistant. Itís still a promotion from Under 23ís.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sam of the south on October 24, 2017, 08:01:53 PM
Anyone got a link to the replay of the press conference?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Trublue on October 24, 2017, 08:04:46 PM
All he can do is win football matches. Shame the first one is tomorrow night, he could of done with a few days to prepare for Sunday. One training session isn't enough, but who knows. Chelsea may not be bothered.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Gonna have a cuppa and chat with Barkley, doesn't want him to leave us
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 08:07:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/2Nrp0yx.jpg)
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on October 24, 2017, 08:14:31 PM
I was all for giving him a chance before, now I hope he fucking smashes it and gets it full time. as someone said earlier, the shite promoted from within with great success, it could work for us. good luck Unsie.

and thanks for the link Audrey.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 08:17:13 PM
Goosebumps watching his press conference. Would love him to be successful.

Sounds like Koemans backroom staff have gone as well?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 08:25:49 PM
Good press conference. He said everything that Koeman has been saying, and was not daft enough to say he could easily fix it. If he can keep us on the rails up to and including a difficult Watford game just before the international break, that will give the board time to select who they want as permanent manager.   Of course if he won the next 3 games, who knows?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 24, 2017, 08:25:57 PM
He was my first choice since koeman started to fuck up.. got enough shit off of posters saying he wasnt ready and just dissing me.. trololo.

Just want the players to have some pride, which they lacked under Koeman.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 08:28:38 PM
Goosebumps watching his press conference. Would love him to be successful.

Sounds like Koemans backroom staff have gone as well?

With a nice little 8 million quid severance package in their bank accounts
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 08:31:35 PM
Anyone got a link to the replay of the press conference?



You have to start it 3 or 4 minutes in. Everton timings out once again. Enjoy. The guys an Evertonian through and through.

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/10/24/watch-unsworths-pre-chelsea-press-conference
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 24, 2017, 08:42:17 PM
https://www.pscp.tv/Everton/1yNxaVoNeyNKj

Ta, great to see an Everton manager not talking double-dutch. Win or lose v Chelsea no doubts it'll be a cohesive team game.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
buzzing after that, going to be boss seeing all those blues on the sidelines, lets hope the players respond positively and go on a good run
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 08:47:40 PM
Your heart wants him to do well, your head tells you to be cautious and your mates ask who the fuck is he?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 08:58:15 PM
Hard not to get a bit emotional and chest-thumping listening to Unsy. I like that he's been quite open and clear that he wants the job.

Also like that Moshiri has said to him 'go ed then, prove yourself and put yourself in with a shout'.

Don't think we should get too carried away just yet, but let's give him a fair shot, be objective, look at how the team does and the decisions he makes and see whether he makes himself a credible candidate over the next few games.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 09:02:57 PM
That's right. Another thing in his favour is that if the slump continues despite his efforts, the fans won't blame him. The only culpable villain left at the club is Walsh. 
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Robioto on October 24, 2017, 09:03:46 PM
Got me fired up that press conference.

Said all the right things and best of all, made a point about wanting Barkley to stay right from the off.

Really excited to see his team tomorrow. Hopefully see Kenny start with the Martina never to be seen again. I wonder if he will bring anyone with him from the U23s?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 09:08:16 PM
I think we should leave this obsession with the U-23's. There are none there that stand out better than what we've got in the senior squad, we just need to get the likes of Schneiderlin etc... pulling their finger out before we call up any more kids. We've got plenty of youth, we finished the Lyon match with 7 lads learning their trade, we don't need any more. 
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 09:10:02 PM
Do they have any regular goal scorers in the U23s? Or a winger? Play one or two of them. 
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blue1948 on October 24, 2017, 09:13:54 PM
Great ,level headed and positive .Made up for him and of course it is always better if one of our own gets it right .Still wondering where the hell the goals will come from but new ideas might be all they need .It is mostly the same team as last year so they can play better and there is no way Klaasen Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson are as bad as they have been playing ,I just hope he has a chance to show what he can do after the international break as it is all too much to expect him to do much before .
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on October 24, 2017, 09:16:00 PM
Do they have any regular goal scorers in the U23s? Or a winger? Play one or two of them. 

Think someone said he'd called up Henen from the u23s who is a forward (think he plays on the wing too). Plus Beni Baningime who is a DM.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on October 24, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
Good press conference. Looking forward to seeing what he can do and how he'll try to solve our more glaring issues as best as possible before the window opens.

As he said himself, it's all about results so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 09:18:50 PM
One report I read said Koeman had not bothered with the U 23's recently, you know those ones that won the league and won a U20's world cup. Perhaps Unsworth is just joining the two back together again, it will be a great experience for them if nothing else.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sam of the south on October 24, 2017, 09:27:01 PM


You have to start it 3 or 4 minutes in. Everton timings out once again. Enjoy. The guys an Evertonian through and through.

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/10/24/watch-unsworths-pre-chelsea-press-conference

Thank you, Peej.

Fuck me, I got a lump in my throat when he was talking about Ross, and about what Evertonians expect 😢

Fucking come oooooonnn, Rhino! ✊🏼
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 09:29:54 PM
Thank you, Peej.

Fuck me, I got a lump in my throat when he was talking about Ross, and about what Evertonians expect 😢

Fucking come oooooonnn, Rhino! ✊🏼



Hah! great isn't he. This was me. :'( Nah!  But not far off.


Btw: I think you might like to give Audrey a Like, top of page 2. I didn't recognise the link. ;)
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 24, 2017, 09:39:21 PM
One report I read said Koeman had not bothered with the U 23's recently, you know those ones that won the league and won a U20's world cup. Perhaps Unsworth is just joining the two back together again, it will be a great experience for them if nothing else.

The less I hear about Koeman the better - except for when him and DeBoer apply for the Barcelona job like.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 09:52:59 PM
One report I read said Koeman had not bothered with the U 23's recently, you know those ones that won the league and won a U20's world cup. Perhaps Unsworth is just joining the two back together again, it will be a great experience for them if nothing else.

 I wonder how much of this type of libelous crap are we gonna hear for the next few days/weeks...according to some gossips he never left his office...he never actually took training.......in fact he'd never even been to finch farm since the day he started......ffs

let him go.... we got our wishes without..petitions, demonstrations or burning shirts and flags with his name on..
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 09:58:36 PM
I'm pretty much sold there.

I think it's the best way forward, give him till Christmas and offer him a 2 year full time contract if all goes well.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 10:00:39 PM
I wonder how much of this type of libelous crap are we gonna hear for the next few days/weeks...according to some gossips he never left his office...he never actually took training.......in fact he'd never even been to finch farm since the day he started......ffs

let him go.... we got our wishes without..petitions, demonstrations or burning shirts and flags with his name on..

You got me wrong, I ain't bothered I moved on weeks ago. Just a possible explanation for Unsworth integrating some U 23's. A hypothesis if you will.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 10:03:41 PM
You got me wrong, I ain't bothered I moved on weeks ago. Just a possible explanation for Unsworth integrating some U 23's. A hypothesis if you will.

sorry mate didn't mean you personally.....just reading some of the crap reported here and other places about RK and wondered what else was coming "out of the woodwork"..
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 10:07:05 PM
I love this fella, the shit he used to take coz that walter smith put him out to left back, and did he hide ? Did he fuck, hard as nails he is, would run through the preverbial brick wall for you, would love to see him get the gig, a lot more experienced than getting credit for. GO RHINO
I think it's a good time for him, the players will run through a brick wall for him & the fans will back him, we need to grind out results at this moment. Lets get behind him
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Tofifee on October 24, 2017, 10:08:35 PM
The more I think about it the more I think give it to Rhino till the end of the season and reassess then. If it works, happy days, extend. If it doesnt, make the call straight away and go for new man. Chances are by April we will know if his contract will be extended or not, If its looking like not then we can draw up a list. Marco Silva would be top of that list for me, but I am all for giving Rhino a go until May.
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
The more I think about it the more I think give it to Rhino till the end of the season and reassess then. If it works, happy days, extend. If it doesnt, make the call straight away and go for new man. Chances are by April we will know if his contract will be extended or not, If its looking like not then we can draw up a list. Marco Silva would be top of that list for me, but I am all for giving Rhino a go until May.
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.


Let's wait and see. If a better candidate is gettable, then let's get him instead. As Unsworth said, it's about what's best for Everton and winning matches, not individuals or playing to the gallery.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: bigmanbob on October 24, 2017, 10:14:59 PM
Your heart wants him to do well, your head tells you to be cautious and your mates ask who the fuck is he?
You need to change your mates
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 10:32:01 PM
The more I think about it the more I think give it to Rhino till the end of the season and reassess then. If it works, happy days, extend. If it doesnt, make the call straight away and go for new man. Chances are by April we will know if his contract will be extended or not, If its looking like not then we can draw up a list. Marco Silva would be top of that list for me, but I am all for giving Rhino a go until May.
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.

This is where I am with it.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rhys on October 24, 2017, 10:33:57 PM
Let's wait and see. If a better candidate is gettable, then let's get him instead. As Unsworth said, it's about what's best for Everton and winning matches, not individuals or playing to the gallery.

That's my stance. If we think there is a really good candidate who the club believe is the answer then they should do it. If they arent convinced or arent happy with the people they can get now, and in the meantime Rhino is getting good performances, results and generally looks like he will be ok in what he is doing plus positive noises from the training ground that is when that kind of decision around keeping him until the end of the season should come into it.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheRam on October 24, 2017, 10:38:04 PM
https://twitter.com/everton/status/922834541470941186
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Robioto on October 24, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
I think we should leave this obsession with the U-23's. There are none there that stand out better than what we've got in the senior squad, we just need to get the likes of Schneiderlin etc... pulling their finger out before we call up any more kids. We've got plenty of youth, we finished the Lyon match with 7 lads learning their trade, we don't need any more. 

I'm well aware of that. But Unsworth obviously knows his players better than anybody and might see something in one of his players that we are missing, which might suprise us.

Wishful thinking I know, but it's exciting thinking about the possibilities.

On the other side of things as you say with the 7 players already in the squad, it will be interesting to see how they react to Unsworth in charge of them again (or in the case of Pickford, Vlasic and Sandro, the first time).
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 10:41:52 PM
All this crap about Silva. Why would he leave Watford and come here? Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41710640
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheRam on October 24, 2017, 11:00:38 PM
All this crap about Silva. Why would he leave Watford and come here? Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41710640

Because we're Everton.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: april on October 24, 2017, 11:11:28 PM
Thanks for the link, just watched the press conference. Unsworth already comes across as more than a caretaker, even when compared to people who have done it at other clubs, who have gone on to become manager and ultimately fail (Shakespeare, for eg). Heís confident, respectful, intelligent, and very ambitious. Iíd be happy to see him given a few games to show the difference he can make.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 11:15:13 PM
https://twitter.com/everton/status/922834541470941186

Fuck it, give him a 6 year contact.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:16:30 PM
I think he already has that assurance, probably 4 games including Europe up to the Watford home game, then the international break when the club will decide.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: youngysenior on October 24, 2017, 11:21:36 PM
Goosebumps watching his press conference. Would love him to be successful.

Sounds like Koemans backroom staff have gone as well?
Is big Dunc still there?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 11:25:41 PM
The more I think about it the more I think give it to Rhino till the end of the season and reassess then. If it works, happy days, extend. If it doesnt, make the call straight away and go for new man. Chances are by April we will know if his contract will be extended or not, If its looking like not then we can draw up a list. Marco Silva would be top of that list for me, but I am all for giving Rhino a go until May.
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.

The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasnít got the pro licence....if they wait the full 12 weeks is he good enough to get us outta trouble ? If heís not how long do they give him only to prove heís not good enough? Which due to our current position would deffo put us in a dire position and deffo relegation fight....
Hereís the dilemma...the longer into the 12 weeks we go and if it doesnít improve, our position gets worse and we still need a manager.....give him it and if it doesnít improve and ....we still need a new manager...
The pressure is really on both unsy and the board as he HAS to succeed no matter what the outcome job offer wise.....
FOR ME the better alternative is get an experienced man in ASAP iím Afraid.....rather than hope unsy succeeds...sorry...
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: gizzblue on October 24, 2017, 11:29:57 PM
The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasn't got the pro licence....if they wait the full 12 weeks is he good enough to get us outta trouble ? If he's not how long do they give him only to prove he's not good enough? Which due to our current position would deffo put us in a dire position and deffo relegation fight....
Here's the dilemma...the longer into the 12 weeks we go and it doesn't improve, our position gets worse and we still need a manager.....give him it and it doesn't improve and ....we still need a new manager...
The pressure is really on both unsy and the board as he HAS to succeed no matter what the outcome job offer wise.....
FOR ME the better alternative is get an experienced man in ASAP i'm Afraid.....rather than hope unsy succeeds...sorry...
Isn't that why Joe Royals been brought in to oversee ,?.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 11:31:18 PM
The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasnít got the pro licence...

He's had it for at least four years, if the newspaper reports at the time can be believed.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 11:31:58 PM
Doesnít matter if unsy is the ďnamedĒ manager
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 11:33:48 PM
He's had it for at least four years, if the newspaper reports at the time can be believed.

Tbh I donít think he has
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 11:35:52 PM
Tbh I donít think he has

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22928946

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10293645/FA-chairman-Greg-Dyke-should-speak-to-former-players-such-as-David-Unsworth-to-realise-his-England-vision.html

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 11:53:34 PM
when he went to Sheffield Wednesday I asked for an interview with him but could never get to the phone with him, so the club said to send the questions over and he'd answer them

he hand-wrote his answers.....

"Where has the sense of togetherness gone?"

"Fuck knows!"

https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D15TIN on October 25, 2017, 12:00:48 AM
The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasnít got the pro licence....if they wait the full 12 weeks is he good enough to get us outta trouble ? If heís not how long do they give him only to prove heís not good enough? Which due to our current position would deffo put us in a dire position and deffo relegation fight....
Hereís the dilemma...the longer into the 12 weeks we go and if it doesnít improve, our position gets worse and we still need a manager.....give him it and if it doesnít improve and ....we still need a new manager...
The pressure is really on both unsy and the board as he HAS to succeed no matter what the outcome job offer wise.....
FOR ME the better alternative is get an experienced man in ASAP iím Afraid.....rather than hope unsy succeeds...sorry...
Right ok - say we bring in ancellotti, nothing changes we remain bottom 3 and out the competitions- where do we go from there? We pay him off aswell? Unsworth KNOWS these players especially the U23s of which account for about 40% of this current squad, we need to grind results out now before we really end up in the shit, a foreign manager who doesn't understand everton or this squad may well take time to get going, we can't afford that at the minute.

BTW if the players want him that's massive.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: formerKHL on October 25, 2017, 12:02:56 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22928946

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10293645/FA-chairman-Greg-Dyke-should-speak-to-former-players-such-as-David-Unsworth-to-realise-his-England-vision.html

I honestly didnít realise heíd finally gone for it.......good on him then....and nice to be proved wrong donít mind admitting when Iím wrong...
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 25, 2017, 12:05:20 AM
https://twitter.com/TimesSport/status/922856897774047234
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 25, 2017, 12:07:10 AM
Joyce normally knows his shit
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 12:10:49 AM
I honestly didnít realise heíd finally gone for it.......good on him then....and nice to be proved wrong donít mind admitting when Iím wrong...

Fair enough, but it isn't proof really, I just googled it and I found these references.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 12:13:02 AM
Ferguson is still here, assisting with Ebbrell, Royle and goalkeeping coach Alan Kelly
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: formerKHL on October 25, 2017, 12:18:31 AM
Right ok - say we bring in ancellotti, nothing changes we remain bottom 3 and out the competitions- where do we go from there? We pay him off aswell? Unsworth KNOWS these players especially the U23s of which account for about 40% of this current squad, we need to grind results out now before we really end up in the shit, a foreign manager who doesn't understand everton or this squad may well take time to get going, we can't afford that at the minute.

BTW if the players want him that's massive.

I understand and agree with a lot of what youíre saying however I would still put my money on a proven manager at this level rather than an un proven manager at this level tbh....whether they know the players or not.....
And Iíd love it....absolutely love it if Unsworth & Duncan get it right, turn things around and get us up the table....on a side note I actually had the thought yesterday as to why they donít get Reidy in to help him out ?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ross on October 25, 2017, 12:19:55 AM
Not keen on them making such a long term strategical decision based on the results of our next four games.

Literally anything could happen in these 4 games, for better or worse, that has repercussions on the way the club progress over the next couple of years. Itís a bit random and to much of a gamble. If youíve got faith in Unsworth back him like youíd back any new manager. If not, and itís understandable to have reservations, search out the best person for the job and get them here as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: formerKHL on October 25, 2017, 12:21:47 AM
Fair enough, but it isn't proof really, I just googled it and I found these references.

Tbh I just checked and he didnít do it with our FA he did it through the Scottish FA when he was working up there after he was at Sheff Utd.... thatís why I didnít know that heíd done it...

Main thing is though heís got it so pleased heís got a chance at the big one
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 25, 2017, 12:29:00 AM
At the minute we could do with him providing the feel good factor we need to boost confidence . He has done really well with the U23 and we have recruited some good players who may well save us a fortune long term . Although I think he could do the job I would hate to lose him from the club because he fails what is a massive test . One thing is for sure him and the players will get the passion from the fans that has been sadly drained .
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Simon Paul on October 25, 2017, 12:31:19 AM
this was how he signed off the interview....
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 25, 2017, 12:37:06 AM
It's really difficult not to like him. Id love him to come in and be a massive success, I've championed him since I seen him play for the ressies when I was about 13, I just worry its too quick for him

Tuchel with unsworth asst, it's a success, Tuchel moves on, unsworth takes over.... Be nice
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheTone on October 25, 2017, 12:46:15 AM
this was how he signed off the interview....

I like the way he swerves his dots into the top right hand corner, I'm in
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Robioto on October 25, 2017, 12:52:24 AM
Henen and Baningime promoted to 1st team training.

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/922822091312975872
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 12:55:01 AM
Two managers and backroom staff sacked, Ferguson stays on

Must be a prerequisite for any incoming manager: Duncan Ferguson is your first team coach with protection from dismissal

Interesting
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 12:59:29 AM
Has to be the best coach in the business - obviously
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Silas on October 25, 2017, 01:01:20 AM
I hope he makes a real go of it. It worries me a little though as it won't take much of a changr in fortunes for a short run to be deemed successful. Would be a fairytale if he made a good go of it
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: School of Science on October 25, 2017, 01:02:43 AM
The four game scenario if true is very unfair to judge Unsworth on in my eyes, it's not his team for one and he's taking on an unbalanced team, in poor form totally devoid of confidence, talk about poisoned chalice. Same even if he wins all four, four games is far too short a period to judge anyone. As JW has said a bit earlier my dream team would be Tuchel, I don't think he'd stay here longer than two years anyway, even if he want to manage us. After two years of being his assistant Unsy takes the reins.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blue slug on October 25, 2017, 01:07:05 AM
4 games when we're in the shit ain't really a fair period of time to judge unsworth on
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 25, 2017, 01:11:51 AM
yeah, I like him.  Especially his belief in the youth.  It's how we will thrive, if we ever really do again.

But I'm with Jimmy, don't want to get burned by leaning with the heart.  And 4 matches is absurd as a sample size to base anything upon.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blob on October 25, 2017, 01:12:08 AM
he's already found his level. I like the man, but not for this job.

but let's first see how the players respond...

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D15TIN on October 25, 2017, 01:14:41 AM
he's already found his level. I like the man, but not for this job.

but let's first see how the players respond...


how can he have found his level if he's never been tested higher?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on October 25, 2017, 01:18:59 AM
He said in his press conference that he hasn't been given a set number of games, and Paul Joyce's article (or the bit I could read before the paywall) even says 'Unsworth has not been told how long his spell will last', so the 4 game thing is just guesswork.

It's just the arbitrary period that takes us to the next international break, which is usually viewed as a sensible time to hire/fire managers.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 25, 2017, 01:20:47 AM
4 games when we're in the shit ain't really a fair period of time to judge unsworth on

No be we can't afford to give him fifteen games if it proves too much for him.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blob on October 25, 2017, 01:22:05 AM
how can he have found his level if he's never been tested higher?

you could give me the job on that basis...

I just believe that we need 'better'...which is not a slight on rhino.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: smellybum on October 25, 2017, 01:22:09 AM
Good luck to him. He wants the job. Rumours abound players want him to have the job. Done his time with the kids and had success. Maybe it is his time. Right age. Respect of fans and players. Really hope he has the minerals for it.
I hope he gets longer than a few games to see how it goes. Something like 3-4 months. Let the likes of Coleman, Barkley, Bolasie get back to fitness and allow him to pick a proper first 11 and see what he can do with it.
Time to gt behind him and the team.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 25, 2017, 01:27:37 AM
Good luck to him. He wants the job. Rumours abound players want him to have the job. Done his time with the kids and had success. Maybe it is his time. Right age. Respect of fans and players. Really hope he has the minerals for it.
I hope he gets longer than a few games to see how it goes. Something like 3-4 months. Let the likes of Coleman, Barkley, Bolasie get back to fitness and allow him to pick a proper first 11 and see what he can do with it.
Time to gt behind him and the team.


If we we're mid-table that would be a good scenario. However, we are in the bottom three and will have to play at least half the season without a recognised striker.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on October 25, 2017, 01:28:29 AM
More than likely there will be no 'set period of games'. He'll be getting assessed continuously by those above him, and they will be approaching other managers in the meantime and seeing where the land lies.

If Tuchel wanted the job for example, I don't think it would matter if Unsworth was given 2 games or 20 games. The job will be Tuchel's. And conversely if Eddie Howe's the best we could get, and Unsworth doing well in the meantime, they'll probably let him keep it.

The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Tinga on October 25, 2017, 01:36:11 AM
Maybe in the future but right now I'd rather get somebody more experienced. We just can't be sentimental about this next manager, we're in a bit of a hole right now.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 25, 2017, 01:36:52 AM
I put this on another thread in error.
Imagine Unsie giving his team talk. "Now Wayne this is what I want you to do.... Wayne, would you put that fucking phone down and listen to my advice on how to play". Wayne WAYNE come back here!!!

Hopefully in that situation unsworths helper dwarf would set a trained unicorn on rooney. Stab the ignorant cunt with its horn
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 25, 2017, 01:37:41 AM
when he went to Sheffield Wednesday I asked for an interview with him but could never get to the phone with him, so the club said to send the questions over and he'd answer them

he hand-wrote his answers.....

"Where has the sense of togetherness gone?"

"Fuck knows!"

https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184

That's brilliant!

Number 4 and number 12 are the best.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 25, 2017, 01:45:42 AM
If he wins at Anfield then we should offer him a lifetime contract, any salary he wants.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Silas on October 25, 2017, 01:46:40 AM
He comes across very well at least which is a good start
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: boothill on October 25, 2017, 01:57:16 AM
when he went to Sheffield Wednesday I asked for an interview with him but could never get to the phone with him, so the club said to send the questions over and he'd answer them

he hand-wrote his answers.....

"Where has the sense of togetherness gone?"

"Fuck knows!"

https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184
Could you post thd whole interview si
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Simon Paul on October 25, 2017, 02:13:43 AM
Could you post thd whole interview si

to be honest I think he got bored on page two, but page three brightened up a bit, although the questions are a bit lame
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Zoolander on October 25, 2017, 02:35:18 AM
4 games is fair and after that I would not only assess results, tactics and formations but most importantly how the senior players react to him. If they react well, accept his authority and improve as per his instruction then Iíd have no problem in extending his role to Christmas or beyond.
Iíd love him to make this job his, seriously would. We need to see how the players react and how he does over an extended run to truly know though. Any sign early doors that the whole playing team arenít onboard then itís not got legs, not for now, not with us in the bottom three.

I hope he does it though.
I can see Rhino 🦏 flags and hear the chants of ďRhino, RhinoĒ and it looks and sounds great
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Fynci on October 25, 2017, 02:39:13 AM
I want him to succeed so much. I just hope he doesn't try to be everybody's friend on the training field.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Trublue on October 25, 2017, 03:01:38 AM
I think, ignore what happens tomorrow night. An hour and a half training session is not enough to turn this around. Although I hope for an improvement. Judge him on what happens in the league.  Its not really fair though as Koeman got 9 matches and £150 million.

We should give him until the end of the season, but he'll need to do some transfer business in January. I guess thats one advantage of have having a director of football?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ari on October 25, 2017, 03:31:39 AM
I've just finished the pre match interview and I've decided that I want to keep him (Mr. David Unsworth) as manager at least until the season ends.  Hopefully and probably longer (IMO)  His answers are very good and respectful to everyone.  The best from him is... I am what I am...

I haven't read any posts in here on this subject and this is only my opinion.

take care, Ari.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: toffee_scot on October 25, 2017, 03:45:40 AM
It will be interesting to see how the players respond tomorrow evening with Unsworth in charge and what kind of tactics and strategy he will use. Whatever the result, I want to see a more positive performance from the players.

The Leicester game though will be key, we need to pick up 3 points from somewhere very soon just to kickstart our move up the table and stand a chance of finishing in the top 7 again.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Silas on October 25, 2017, 03:56:39 AM
I've just finished the pre match interview and I've decided that I want to keep him (Mr. David Unsworth) as manager at least until the season ends.  Hopefully and probably longer (IMO)  His answers are very good and respectful to everyone.  The best from him is... I am what I am...

I haven't read any posts in here on this subject and this is only my opinion.

take care, Ari.

He did come across very well which is a good start. Refused to criticise Koeman while staying quite clearly that he had his own ideas of what to change.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Gash on October 25, 2017, 04:03:52 AM
Just watched the press conference, very dignified even when Olly Foster was being a bit patronising saying that Moshiri wanted a big name like Pep or Mourinho on the touch line, "you're not that man are you". Managed to dodge the question about 1st team atmosphere and rightly so, he's there to talk about the game not shit stir or stick the knife in, he did very well indeed.

I still think we should be going for someone with more experience but you get the impression we'll be in good hands while they look for that person.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 25, 2017, 04:21:14 AM
For me the ideal scenario would be Unsworth being a number two and working with an Ancelotti or a Tuchel.
Learning not only the opposition in the PL but if we return to Europe how he would think differently and prepare his side against european opposition.
Then he is fully equipped to fill the void left by either.

I desperately want him to succeed at Everton and would like to see him fully prepared for every competition.

Best of luck to him over the next month and hopefully he brings back a smile to many of our faces.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 25, 2017, 04:25:36 AM
https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184

A photo on this site that's too *small*?

Well now I've seen everything.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Tinga on October 25, 2017, 05:25:43 AM
If he wins at Anfield then we should offer him a lifetime contract, any salary he wants.

I know you're joking but fuck me is that small time. It's Roberto on the side of Goodison small that.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 25, 2017, 05:27:52 AM
I know you're joking but fuck me is that small time. It's Roberto on the side of Goodison small that.

Fixed if for you.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jamokachi on October 25, 2017, 06:26:27 AM
More than likely there will be no 'set period of games'. He'll be getting assessed continuously by those above him, and they will be approaching other managers in the meantime and seeing where the land lies.

If Tuchel wanted the job for example, I don't think it would matter if Unsworth was given 2 games or 20 games. The job will be Tuchel's. And conversely if Eddie Howe's the best we could get, and Unsworth doing well in the meantime, they'll probably let him keep it.

The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.

Stop talking sense, fly off the handle more... this is the Everton forum after all.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blargins on October 25, 2017, 06:27:03 AM
Just watched the PR. He's brought pride back already. Came across honest and realistic. Although Ron was honest, you could see it was a different type of honesty. I really hope he gets the job long term on merit.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 05:22:13 PM
The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.

Yes, they shouldn't admit to having set a deadline publicly for the reasons you say.

But privately they should absolutely set a time frame. If you don't set yourself a deadline, failure is all but guaranteed.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 05:50:20 PM
There isn't any magic formula for success. Martinez really bought into the club and started like a house on fire but that turned to shit. Koeman was the biggest name we've ever had but never really looked as if he wanted to be here and that turned to shit. Tuchel might be a great name and an exciting thought but he could have a hard time getting his ideas over in his first stab at English football and we may well have to pay off another manager in 18 months too.

All I've seen are smiling faces on the training ground and a very eloquent interview, backed up by a groundswell of goodwill. I think we'd be silly not to seriously consider the man, it's not as if he's some bloke off the street. He's got a very persuasive argument to put across for the job and whilst I'm not saying he should get it he should at least be given every opportunity to show that he's a very credible candidate for the club.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blargins on October 25, 2017, 06:19:35 PM
There isn't any magic formula for success. Martinez really bought into the club and started like a house on fire but that turned to shit. Koeman was the biggest name we've ever had but never really looked as if he wanted to be here and that turned to shit. Tuchel might be a great name and an exciting thought but he could have a hard time getting his ideas over in his first stab at English football and we may well have to pay off another manager in 18 months too.

All I've seen are smiling faces on the training ground and a very eloquent interview, backed up by a groundswell of goodwill. I think we'd be silly not to seriously consider the man, it's not as if he's some bloke off the street. He's got a very persuasive argument to put across for the job and whilst I'm not saying he should get it he should at least be given every opportunity to show that he's a very credible candidate for the club.


I hope he does get it and is successful. Could save us a fortune. You know he'll give his all for a start and it sounds like he's a win at all costs type of manager.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 25, 2017, 07:12:24 PM
The difference with Unsworth against most of the other managers we are linked with, Unsworth would stay here for his entire career if it was possible, we're not a stepping stone to him, this is his dream job, I really think if you offered him any Prem team to manage, he would still pick us.

Koeman used us for his CV (which backfired), so did Martinez (to an extent, although I think he grew to love the club), other managers like Tuchel or Silva will do the same.

I actually don't know what produces better results over a longer period, a manager who wants to build a legacy with 1 club or 1 willing to just shoehorn quality over a short period of time.
Chelsea have benefited from 1 way of doing it, whereas Liverpool have not really benefited from the same approach.

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Robioto on October 25, 2017, 07:19:51 PM
As things stand I would like him as our permanent manager, but will see how we perform over the next few games.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
The difference with Unsworth against most of the other managers we are linked with, Unsworth would stay here for his entire career if it was possible, we're not a stepping stone to him, this is his dream job, I really think if you offered him any Prem team to manage, he would still pick us.

Koeman used us for his CV (which backfired), so did Martinez (to an extent, although I think he grew to love the club), other managers like Tuchel or Silva will do the same.

I actually don't know what produces better results over a longer period, a manager who wants to build a legacy with 1 club or 1 willing to just shoehorn quality over a short period of time.
Chelsea have benefited from 1 way of doing it, whereas Liverpool have not really benefited from the same approach.



There is no exact science. For every argument put forward for Unsworth there is a valid counter argument. It all comes down to making an informed choice after doing your due diligence, getting behind the man in charge, building a professional club off the pitch so you can give him as much financial backing as possible and hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 25, 2017, 07:46:51 PM
Youíd imagine heíll go back to basics and simplify whatís being asked of the players. Also rumours the likes of Lennon and Mirallas are back in the team tonight...which leads me to another thought...

What if we get back on track with the Ďold guardí and Unsworth bins off all of Koeman/Walsh signings? I suppose Moshiri will be happy if weíre winning but surely one of the new managerís tasks will be to integrate these expensive, highly paid signings into the team?

Sorry, getting ahead of myself.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 07:55:20 PM
Youíd imagine heíll go back to basics and simplify whatís being asked of the players. Also rumours the likes of Lennon and Mirallas are back in the team tonight...which leads me to another thought...

What if we get back on track with the Ďold guardí and Unsworth bins off all of Koeman/Walsh signings? I suppose Moshiri will be happy if weíre winning but surely one of the new managerís tasks will be to integrate these expensive, highly paid signings into the team?

Sorry, getting ahead of myself.

I think once we start winning, he can start to integrate the new players in bit by bit. There's no point trying to fix something while making sweeping changes at the same time.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 08:18:13 PM
Don't know what will happen

Shakespeare initially took to management like a duck to water, got a contract and then the sack!

Different ball game once officially in the hot seat

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 08:36:06 PM
Don't know what will happen

Shakespeare initially took to management like a duck to water, got a contract and then the sack!

Different ball game once officially in the hot seat



Which was totally bonkers. They have had as tough a start as us and would have started climbing the table as they have a goalscorer and a manager who looked to be well liked. Both things we lack(ed).
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 08:45:13 PM
And it would appear that Leicester have got their "big name" - Puel

Bigger than Dyche, I guess?

Puel should be in charge for Sunday against us - the (even bigger) Rhino's ready!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rhys on October 25, 2017, 08:58:22 PM
And it would appear that Leicester have got their "big name" - Puel

Bigger than Dyche, I guess?

Puel should be in charge for Sunday against us - the Rhino's ready!

Puel league finishes;

Monaco

98/99 - 4th
99/00 - 1st
00/01 - 11th

Lille

02/03 - 14th
03/04 - 10th
04/05 - 2nd
05/06 - 3rd
06/07 - 10th
07/08 - 7th

Lyon

08/09 - 3rd
09/10 - 2nd
10/11 - 3rd

Nice

12/13 - 4th
13/14 - 17th
14/15 - 11th
15/16 - 4th

Southampton

16/17 - 8th


All but one season in France but that is a pretty consistent record over a number of teams over a long time. Some blips but also some real highs in there. He might not be the biggest name, most well known and Southampton fans didnt like his style of play but even there finished well enough so while might not be the most glamorous appointment you'd look at his record and think a very good chance he will do a stable job there which is maybe what they need after having nearly gone down, won the league then almost gone down again and started really badly this season.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Hesmenos on October 25, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
More than likely there will be no 'set period of games'. He'll be getting assessed continuously by those above him, and they will be approaching other managers in the meantime and seeing where the land lies.

If Tuchel wanted the job for example, I don't think it would matter if Unsworth was given 2 games or 20 games. The job will be Tuchel's. And conversely if Eddie Howe's the best we could get, and Unsworth doing well in the meantime, they'll probably let him keep it.

The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.
Its the way I saw it as well. I don't think it is about the 4 games but the time frame. The board have probably figured they need 2-3 weeks to interview candidates and make a decision.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 25, 2017, 10:12:50 PM
I would think/hope there are "check in" timelines - after X games, assess whether you can judge "this just ain't working."  But the Z mark to decide that it IS working should be much, much longer. 
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: formerKHL on October 25, 2017, 10:38:56 PM
One thing that has just struck me re unsy and I don't know if it's already been mentioned...

but he can basically pick any players he likes and doesn't have to "pamper" to the big name signings Like koeman had/tried to..because they're not his (unsy's) signings...

He could easily leave sigurdson and rooney out without a second thought... or worry about upsetting the big names....

hello lookman...
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 25, 2017, 10:58:12 PM
Will be interesting if he'll get the best out of Niasse seeing as he had faith in him at under 23 level where he was scoring? I reckon he'll get more game time. Him and DCL upfront may get goals?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 11:41:08 PM
How many of us would have gone for Puel as our manager?

Not (m)any, I suspect
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 12:30:34 AM
Will be interesting if he'll get the best out of Niasse seeing as he had faith in him at under 23 level where he was scoring? I reckon he'll get more game time. Him and DCL upfront may get goals?
I don't think even the best of Niasse is good enough and premiership level, maybe championship? This will be Unsworths achilles heel as it was for Koeman, scoring goals
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 26, 2017, 12:30:45 AM
How many of us would have gone for Puel as our manager?

Not (m)any, I suspect

Ranieri wasnt mentioned at all, surprising.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 12:38:46 AM
Ranieri, Shakespeare and Walsh

Proven winning formula - but, I suspect, not for any of us

Tinkering one trick pony and all that
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 26, 2017, 01:15:56 AM
Ranieri, Shakespeare and Walsh

Proven winning formula - but, I suspect, not for any of us

Tinkering one trick pony and all that

i've always liked the way Ranieri's teams have played From Fiorentina to Valencia to Athletico to Chelsea back to Valencia.

but thats when i was into all sorts of football.. no idea what he's done the last ten years besides winning the league with Leicester.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheRam on October 26, 2017, 01:18:00 AM
Ranieri, Shakespeare and Walsh

Proven winning formula - but, I suspect, not for any of us

Tinkering one trick pony and all that

Mate, stop speaking in riddles all the time.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Gash on October 26, 2017, 01:18:47 AM
Ranieri's just taken over at Nantes. Wouldn't want him anyway, he's a journeyman who's had about two good seasons in 30 odd years as a manager.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 01:31:50 AM
Riddles?

Ranieri is the Tinker Man and has won one trophy, Shakespeare is available and Walsh is still with us

Where's Batman & Robin when you need 'em (the Riddler)
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheRam on October 26, 2017, 01:33:39 AM
Yeah mate, riddles.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 01:37:57 AM
You wanna see my Christmas crackers

No you don't
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: MrWhite on October 26, 2017, 01:46:43 AM
That conference was impressive. While he shied away (understandably) from detailing how he'll go about it, he not only reinforced a team mentality of which is clearly a part, but speaks with confidence and belief. His authority was particularly impressive.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on October 26, 2017, 02:17:00 AM
I don't think even the best of Niasse is good enough and premiership level, maybe championship? This will be Unsworths achilles heel as it was for Koeman, scoring goals

Niasse has 4 goals in 180 mins this season.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on October 26, 2017, 02:38:30 AM
He's got to go.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 26, 2017, 03:46:55 AM
He's got to go.

Bit early like, hes only been in charge for one game ....

Best footy weve seen all season n'all.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 03:47:27 AM
Too emotionally attached to the club!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 26, 2017, 03:49:41 AM
He doesn't get us.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on October 26, 2017, 03:53:16 AM
Bit early like, hes only been in charge for one game ....

Best footy weve seen all season n'all.
Wouldn't be hard would it,it was mostly Chelsea's second 11,there was a couple of pluses the lad in the middle Benni and the workrate,on the negitive were was that fight all season,and we have to get through till January with jags and Williams.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 03:59:14 AM
Irrespective of the opposition, looking at how we did, our pressing, our patterns of play, organisation, shape, that was easily our best display of the season.

Cracking start for Unsworth. If he'd had a tiny bit of the run of the ball, we'd have knocked Chelsea out there.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Everton Mint on October 26, 2017, 04:01:11 AM
Couldn't ask for much more, other than a bit if luck. Great start Unsy !
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 26, 2017, 04:02:23 AM
Niasse has 4 goals in 180 mins this season.

Throw an assist in now as well. He's a pest on the pitch but a useful one for the squad. I wouldn't sell him, he seems happy being an impact sub and it seems to work too.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 04:02:25 AM
Irrespective of the opposition, looking at how we did, our pressing, our patterns of play, organisation, shape, that was easily our best display of the season.

Cracking start for Unsworth. If he'd had a tiny bit of the run of the ball, we'd have knocked Chelsea out there.
Second half I'd agree
First half was poor but there's plenty to be positive about

Let's see how he follows that up now
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 26, 2017, 04:04:12 AM
Second half I'd agree
First half was poor but there's plenty to be positive about

Let's see how he follows that up now

First half I think we were still stuck in the same mental rut we've been in all season. Passes square and back, no forward movement. Presumably a rocket at half time and we decided to break free a little. Hopefully a few days of positive training will bring it back.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 04:04:30 AM
Second half I'd agree
First half was poor but there's plenty to be positive about

Let's see how he follows that up now

I thought first half was fine tbh, and their goal came from nowhere. Thought the plan was to start solid and grow into the game.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on October 26, 2017, 04:05:59 AM
This was a freebie really, PL is where it's going to matter.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 04:07:05 AM
Nobody said it was going to be easy and it's not, but we need points, Unsy - starting Sunday





Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 04:08:02 AM
I thought first half was fine tbh, and their goal came from nowhere. Thought the plan was to start solid and grow into the game.
We were slow, lacked width and Sat deep. That right back had time and space and we lacked confidence.... Understandably

Second half, we pressed, attacked, passed better, grew in confidence

Baines went from being murdered to running the lad ragged, mirallas and Lennon gave natural width but got involved and brought the full backs into the game

We won first, second and even third balls through tackles, effort and desperation so yeah, for me, it was a game of two halves for us

Chelsea werent great either and Pickford genuinely didn't even make a catch did he?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blargins on October 26, 2017, 04:10:44 AM
Wouldn't be hard would it,it was mostly Chelsea's second 11,there was a couple of pluses the lad in the middle Benni and the workrate,on the negitive were was that fight all season,and we have to get through till January with jags and Williams.

Funny that, it was mostly our second 11 too.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 26, 2017, 04:11:26 AM
Still got beat by Chelsea reserves though  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 26, 2017, 04:22:41 AM
Still got beat by Chelsea reserves though  :thumbsup:

Fabregas, Pedro and William are pretty decent reserves.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 26, 2017, 04:24:05 AM
Fabregas, Pedro and William are pretty decent reserves.

I know, I was taking the piss a little :)
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 04:24:45 AM
Fabregas, Pedro and William are pretty decent reserves.
Batshuiyi, cahill, christenson all played pl games
Zapucossta big money signing
Rudiger too
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on October 26, 2017, 04:25:15 AM
Batshuiyi, cahill, christenson all played pl games
Zapucossta big money signing
Rudiger too


Drinkwater too
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Shogun on October 26, 2017, 04:25:34 AM
Batshuiyi, cahill, christenson all played pl games
Zapucossta big money signing
Rudiger too


We had more young/reserve players on the pitch than they did.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 04:27:42 AM
Drinkwater too
He looked way way way off the pace didn't he
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on October 26, 2017, 04:28:16 AM
The change from first to second half was pushing Davies forward into a 4-2-3-1 formation.

That got the midfield closer to the front three which enabled closing down to be done higher up the pitch and also shorter passing angles.

This in turn enabled the full backs to get higher up the pitch pushing their wing backs, back.

Thought we tried to do this in the first but they had too many easy possession routes which dragged the whole team back, isolating Rooney (which isnít what you want) and the other two forwards.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: toffee_scot on October 26, 2017, 04:30:29 AM
Unsworth definitely has something to build on and I am optimistic we will see a reversal in recent fortunes and play better football.

I guess for tonight's game he wanted to mostly play players that he was most familiar with including some he managed at different times for the U23s and many from the pre-Koeman period. In some ways, the advantage is that he will feel no obligation to play (or rather shoehorn) the likes of Sigurdsson, Klaassen, Martina, Sandro etc all in the same team because he didn't sign them so I am confident Unsworth will come up with a system to take advantage of the current players he has at his disposal.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on October 26, 2017, 04:33:02 AM
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Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 26, 2017, 04:55:31 AM
Encouraging. DU has set his stall out and shown us how he wants to play. Really interested to see who he starts in his first 11, against Leicester. Especially out wide. Not like we have many options out there.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 26, 2017, 05:28:08 AM
Lookman is worth his place. He offers something others don't.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: American Evertonian on October 26, 2017, 05:54:50 AM
Love the guy. I really do. However, we can't hire him. If we are trying to build a CL team we need a big name that can recruit. We aren't plucky old Everton anymore. If he wants to be our manager he needs to go win big somewhere else. Let us hire him from a lesser club.

It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.

I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 05:59:01 AM
Love the guy. I really do. However, we can't hire him. If we are trying to build a CL team we need a big name that can recruit. We aren't plucky old Everton anymore. If he wants to be our manager he needs to go win big somewhere else. Let us hire him from a lesser club.

It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.

I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.
Said similar a few pages back or on a different thread, can't remember

Your opinion matters as much as anyone else BTW
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: American Evertonian on October 26, 2017, 06:09:55 AM
In addition, we can't hire him because Koeman's tactics were garbage. Comparing someone to your previous failures vs what he offers going forward is criminal and will only make us continue on our current path.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: gizzblue on October 26, 2017, 06:53:13 AM
In addition, we can't hire him because Koeman's tactics were garbage. Comparing someone to your previous failures vs what he offers going forward is criminal and will only make us continue on our current path.
Second half was fast attacking pro active football ....what more so you want after one real training session .😅.

At the end of the day money talks these days ...and we ain't short of a few Bob .if Rhino can get a our season back on track, we will get the players we want ,regardless of managers stature .
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueski on October 26, 2017, 07:48:05 AM
ultimately the football on the pitch does the talking

its not impossible that he gets the job if he can manage to do that. once upon a time world football didn't know too much about who Pochettino was either
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blargins on October 26, 2017, 08:19:03 AM
We had a former world class player as manager who struggled to get players in. And to stay.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bwana on October 26, 2017, 11:40:42 AM
We had a former world class player as manager who struggled to get players in. And to stay.

This. The world class players will come and join if Uns is worth it. Especially the second half yesterday was anything else than negative from our side. After all it's all decided on the pitch. I don't care if don't get the world class players if we win, with an Everton-way. Yesterday showed some promises that the identity of this grand old team is still there.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ramjam on October 26, 2017, 12:02:30 PM
Uns is worth it, I like your style 🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on October 26, 2017, 12:05:23 PM
Love the guy. I really do. However, we can't hire him. If we are trying to build a CL team we need a big name that can recruit. We aren't plucky old Everton anymore. If he wants to be our manager he needs to go win big somewhere else. Let us hire him from a lesser club.

It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.

I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.

We need to start winning, not just games,but trip. Then we will attract better players.  If DU can keep winning and gets us a trophy, he will attract better players.
Even if we have to pay over the odds to attract them at first, like city did.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 26, 2017, 01:57:34 PM
Love the guy. I really do. However, we can't hire him. If we are trying to build a CL team we need a big name that can recruit. We aren't plucky old Everton anymore. If he wants to be our manager he needs to go win big somewhere else. Let us hire him from a lesser club.

It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.

I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.

Utter nonsense. Who did we get because of koemans name?? We need to hire the best man for the job not just random name. We are English footballs 7th most attractive team and that will stay the same until we break the top 6. Hiring a big name won't make us any more attractive. Playing good football, having a good team spirit winning will
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 26, 2017, 02:04:49 PM
Also our thing should be we are number 1 for top prospects. We can't be number 1 for worldclass players but we can be the best place for young players who maybe wouldn't get in a Chelsea or city team yet
Unsworth would be perfect for that.

Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 26, 2017, 02:20:48 PM
Martinez wasn't a well known player but he got Lukaku. There days the only face there too players want to see is 'The Queen's' and the terms of the contract which is done by their agent. Where the club stands is more important. If Unsworth gets us going again and we get back in Europe he'll have done what a former great did for half the price.. New ground, money... they'll come but I'd rather a decent honest one than a money grabbin twat.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 26, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
Also our thing should be we are number 1 for top prospects. We can't be number 1 for worldclass players but we can be the best place for young players who maybe wouldn't get in a Chelsea or city team yet
Unsworth would be perfect for that.

Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it

This all day long..
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: 74Blue on October 26, 2017, 03:37:15 PM
There have been plenty of top managers over the years who weren't household names as players. They built their reputation in management from getting results with the players at their disposal.
If Unsworth can get the players that he has working together and firing, the results will come. That, in turn will attract some attention and others will want to come and join the project.
You don't necessarily need to have been a world class player to be a great coach/manager. It's a completely different skill set. Who did Mourinho play for, or Wenger? Their lack of a great playing career has never stopped them attracting quality players.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: MrWhite on October 26, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
Also our thing should be we are number 1 for top prospects. We can't be number 1 for worldclass players but we can be the best place for young players who maybe wouldn't get in a Chelsea or city team yet
Unsworth would be perfect for that.

Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it
Completely agree. If it doesnít work out, Silva in the summer.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 05:29:07 PM
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on October 26, 2017, 05:44:35 PM

Sounds good doesn't he? Very confident in what he tries to impress on his teams and quite open with the press due to that confidence.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 05:48:58 PM
Sounds good doesn't he? Very confident in what he tries to impress on his teams and quite open with the press due to that confidence.

Yep, and he confirmed that the plan was to stay compact and then open the game up second half, which 100% worked, only missing the finishing touch in front of goal. Shows tactical awareness, not just chest thumping and 'getting us'.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 06:00:07 PM
Yep, and he confirmed that the plan was to stay compact and then open the game up second half, which 100% worked, only missing the finishing touch in front of goal. Shows tactical awareness, not just chest thumping and 'getting us'.

Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?

With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 06:07:36 PM
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?

With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.

I've said repeatedly (and Unsworth's said) we want the best manager for the club. If we could get Tuchel, or someone of that ilk, Unsworth shouldn't even be a consideration.

I'm just attempting to illustrate that in one 90 minute session he came up with a more coherent plan than Koeman managed in any game this season, and that we shouldn't just dismiss him as just a chest thumper with no tactical awareness. No it's not some tactical masterclass, but it was effective and but for poor finishing, would've worked a treat and won us the game. He deserves some credit for that in such a small amount of time.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on October 26, 2017, 06:07:59 PM
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?

With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.

Oh piss off you realist  ;) (not the realist). Taking all that into account all that I doubt there would be many managers who could have coaxed that sort of performance from that team last night after the confidence sapping start to the season, long term who knows.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Macca77 on October 26, 2017, 06:09:10 PM
How about Tuchel with Unsworth as his number 2
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 06:12:18 PM
Oh piss off you realist  ;) (not the realist). Taking all that into account all that I doubt there would be many managers who could have coaxed that sort of performance from that team last night after the confidence sapping start to the season, long term who knows.

Abuse accepted :)
I suppose we'll see at the weekend what type of response the Leicester team have with their new manager? I do hope Unsworth smashes it but I also think you cant really read much into last night
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Gash on October 26, 2017, 06:56:13 PM
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward.

They still had a strong team out and we weren't exactly at full strength either. A young lad making his debut, two players who'd hardly featured and very inexperienced right back. At the risk of repeating myself, the fact they had to bring in Fabregas, Morata and Pedro to see the game out says a lot about how uncomfortable we made it for them.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Normm on October 26, 2017, 08:36:26 PM
How about Tuchel with Unsworth as his number 2

Patience! Give the man a chance. That second half display was the most encouraging performance I have seen from Everton in months. I doubt any other manager could have produced this reaction from the players.

For the first time in ages, Everton actually looked like a team.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 26, 2017, 08:57:57 PM
Also our thing should be we are number 1 for top prospects. We can't be number 1 for worldclass players but we can be the best place for young players who maybe wouldn't get in a Chelsea or city team yet
Unsworth would be perfect for that.

Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it

And no more Quixotic runs like the Rooney vanity project, which was so very West Ham of us.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on October 26, 2017, 11:08:47 PM
Funny that, it was mostly our second 11 too.
Don't be silly.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 26, 2017, 11:20:05 PM
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?

With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.

Can we stop calling the likes of Willian , Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta , Cahill , Pedro , Drinkwater , Moratta and Fabregas 2nd string . Given the comparative strength of both squads it was a great effort under the circumstances .
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blargins on October 26, 2017, 11:44:21 PM
Don't be silly.

Let's see:

Kenny
Jags or Williams
Mirallas
Lennon
McCarthy
Baningime
And Davies hasn't been in the first 11 much this season either.

Then the subs Lookman and Niasse.

So yes, my statement is correct.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on October 26, 2017, 11:46:36 PM
Let's see how many are playing Sunday.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 11:47:12 PM
Can we stop calling the likes of Willian , Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta , Cahill , Pedro , Drinkwater , Moratta and Fabregas 2nd string . Given the comparative strength of both squads it was a great effort under the circumstances .

 Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta ,  Drinkwater rarely start, neither does Cabellero and you could probably throw Willian in to that too. Yes most would walk into our first team but not theirs. Fabregas didnt come on until 63 minutes and Morata 85th, so yes predominantly it was Chelsea' second string, or should I call them 'not their fist team regulars'?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 11:48:31 PM
Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta ,  Drinkwater rarely start, neither does Cabellero and you could probably throw Willian in to that too. Yes most would walk into our first team but not theirs. Fabregas didnt come on until 63 minutes and Morata 85th, so yes predominantly it was Chelsea' second string, or should I call them 'not their fist team regulars'? Also, 17 year old Ethan Ampadu made his debut in centre midfield for them!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 27, 2017, 12:04:40 AM
My heart says it would be great to give Unsy a chance but my head says it's a risk. There are so many parts of a managers job that Unsy probably lacks experience in. My imediate concern would be how would he cope with the upcoming transfer window? Does he, largely, leave it to Steve Walsh, or do the board trust him to identify targets? On the field he will almost certainly make mistakes but overall that doesn't worry me as what he brings on that side probably outweighs the negatives.
How would the fans react if the club took the risk and it didn't work, and when would we decide it wasn't working?
It's all about opinions and I think it's worth the risk. Why? Because if it worked we would have something so rare and precious in modern football. A real Evertonian in charge, someone who knows the club and its culture. It may put back progress on the field for 12 months as mistakes will be made but long term? Just think about it!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheTone on October 27, 2017, 12:53:07 AM
if I was a player I'd run through a brick wall for big Rhino, obviously don't know the man but he just has that way about him

with Koeman i'd have probably jogged up, laid against the wall, lit up a ciggy and flicked a few V's towards his grumpy head
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on October 27, 2017, 12:58:38 AM
I would have ran through a brick wall in the desert to play for Everton - no matter the manager...................pla y for the fans
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on October 27, 2017, 02:40:32 AM
Figured it was worth trying to do something to convey Unsworth performance with under 23s with a bit more detail.

So have attached U23 league tables, here's the overall league results since Koeman's arrival.

Unsworth with under 23s : 30 Played / 20 Wins / 4 Draws / 6 Losses / Goals / 63 For / 26 Against.

Koeman with first team: 47 Played / 19 Wins / 12 Draws / 16 Losses / Goals / 69 For / 62 Against

Unsworth - 66% win percentage / 20% Losses / 2.1 goals per game / 0.9 goals against

Koeman - 40% win percentage / 33% Losses /1.5 goals per game for / 1.3 goals against
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on October 27, 2017, 02:55:09 AM
Figured it was worth trying to do something to convey Unsworth performance with under 23s with a bit more detail.

So have attached U23 league tables, here's the overall league results since Koeman's arrival.

Unsworth with under 23s : 30 Played / 20 Wins / 4 Draws / 6 Losses / Goals / 63 For / 26 Against.

Koeman with first team: 47 Played / 19 Wins / 12 Draws / 16 Losses / Goals / 69 For / 62 Against

Unsworth - 66% win percentage / 20% Losses / 2.1 goals per game / 0.9 goals against

Koeman - 40% win percentage / 33% Losses /1.5 goals per game for / 1.3 goals against
This reads like you're drawing a comparison between the u23s league and the premiership?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on October 27, 2017, 03:13:19 AM
This reads like you're drawing a comparison between the u23s league and the premiership?

This one's for you  :cheers:

Figured it was worth trying to do something to convey Unsworth performance with under 23s with a bit more detail.

So have attached U23 league tables, here's the overall league results since Koeman's arrival.

Unsworth with under 23s : 30 Played / 20 Wins / 4 Draws / 6 Losses / Goals / 63 For / 26 Against

Unsworth - 66% win percentage / 20% Losses / 2.1 goals per game / 0.9 goals against
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 27, 2017, 04:58:48 AM
Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta ,  Drinkwater rarely start, neither does Cabellero and you could probably throw Willian in to that too. Yes most would walk into our first team but not theirs. Fabregas didnt come on until 63 minutes and Morata 85th, so yes predominantly it was Chelsea' second string, or should I call them 'not their fist team regulars'?

Semantics . Compared to us then they have 2 first teams .
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 27, 2017, 05:32:38 AM
Left back was least of the problems, Walter at times used to use him centre midfield!

I just suffered a Phil Neville flashback.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 27, 2017, 05:35:16 AM
I would have ran through a brick wall in the desert to play for Everton - no matter the manager...................pla y for the fans

Straq ran through a brick wall once for Moyes.

But it was just to get to the lockerroom after Moyes told Straq he was wearing the wrong kind of boots. And Straq missed the doorway.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on October 27, 2017, 08:39:59 AM
Here's an interesting McNulty article on the win record of Sheff United manager Chris Wilder

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41756907
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Polledreng on October 27, 2017, 11:21:51 AM
I would have ran through a brick wall in the desert to play for Everton - no matter the manager...................pla y for the fans
Yeah rumors of players revolt against both Martinez and Koeman points a little finger at the likes of Baines and Jags. Would like to see Them running through brick walls no matter the manager.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Toddacelli on October 27, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?

With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.

Agree 100% with @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) in response to this - Chelsea may have had some less regular players, but no more than we did and they had to bring Pedro, Fabregas and Morata on just to get over the finishing line. It was one of them where you reckon if we played another half an hourwe might have won it.

Also to address another couple of points you raised:

"whilst we stayed compact we still conceded" - this was against the champions, only one goal, momentary lapse of concentration with a piss-poor Everton side in the relegation zone, lacking confidence and direction before that night. They didn't have our pants down - they just got one goal.

"is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?" - yes it is tactical awareness if this is how he thought the game would go before a ball was even kicked. He had to be tactically aware of how to set up against a team like Chelsea. If he wanted to keep that type of pressing game he could have put Besic on for McCarthy in a straight-swap and kept the same shape. I don't know if Besic was on the bench but he could have named him on the benchif that was what he intended. Insted he thought if we have McCarthy for 60 mins - lets keep it tight to frustrate them and then go at them to really give them something to worry about. He wanted to stay in the game for as long as possible before leaving gaps when we attack - which is very sensible against a strong side. You don't want to lose it in the first half.

The very fact that it was pre-meditated proves that at that point, things were still more-or-less going to plan. Ok we didn't want to concede but with only one goal in it - we were still very much in the game when we took it to them.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Toddacelli on October 27, 2017, 01:54:51 PM
Straq ran through a brick wall once for Moyes.

But it was just to get to the lockerroom after Moyes told Straq he was wearing the wrong kind of boots. And Straq missed the doorway.

Tooled!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 27, 2017, 02:03:30 PM
Baines seemed more up for it than he has for a while.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 27, 2017, 02:24:05 PM
Baines seemed more up for it than he has for a while.
He had someone to play with for once
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 27, 2017, 03:00:40 PM
Here's an interesting McNulty article on the win record of Sheff United manager Chris Wilder

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41756907

Nice article. Didnít realise how well heíd done.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 27, 2017, 03:19:11 PM
I would have ran through a brick wall in the desert to play for Everton - no matter the manager...................pla y for the fans

Lovely
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 27, 2017, 03:21:51 PM

 If he wanted to keep that type of pressing game he could have put Besic on for McCarthy in a straight-swap and kept the same shape. I don't know if Besic was on the bench but he could have named him on the benchif that was what he intended.

If introducing Besic is ever part of your tactical plan then you've seriously misinterpreted what is required.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 27, 2017, 04:18:32 PM
He had someone to play with for once

I felt the drive and determination had gone, so to see him wanting the ball and busting a gut to get up the pitch warmed my heart.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Toddacelli on October 27, 2017, 04:51:11 PM
If introducing Besic is ever part of your tactical plan then you've seriously misinterpreted what is required.

Boooooooo! Besic for captain!


(purely sentimental reasons - not based on ability)
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Hawkandro on October 27, 2017, 06:37:45 PM
If introducing Besic is ever part of your tactical plan then you've seriously misinterpreted what is required.

Unless you need a booking to complete your Acca.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Macca77 on October 27, 2017, 08:00:05 PM
Barkley 3-4 weeks away from fitness

Gana close to a new deal

https://twitter.com/AHunterGuardian/status/923893244697686017
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on October 27, 2017, 08:19:49 PM
Just watched the Unsworth press conference. The contrast between the him and Koeman was remarkable. If he transmits that enthusiasm, confidence and humour to the players we should see an improvement in attitude and performance on the pitch.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on October 27, 2017, 10:49:29 PM
Barkley 3-4 weeks away from fitness

Gana close to a new deal

https://twitter.com/AHunterGuardian/status/923893244697686017

Hmm...99.9% done?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on October 27, 2017, 10:54:04 PM
***Miserable Bastard Warning***

Gana doesn't need a new contract.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 27, 2017, 11:04:17 PM
In my opinion it's Unsy's job to lose. If he delivers what we want and need then why gamble on an unknown he may not do as well? With big Joe supporting him and the club behind him what's not to like?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on October 27, 2017, 11:14:47 PM
Whether or not Chelsea's B team was a good level of opposition, this looks good to me (click on the shot map):

https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/923617821409595393 (https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/923617821409595393)

We allowed some decent opportunities* and it's not unusual to lose to superior finishing/goalkeeping but, even if you take away Calvert-Lewin's goal at the end, it looks like we created the better chances.

* Not too much in the center of the box, though, which is promising.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on October 27, 2017, 11:55:50 PM
***Miserable Bastard Warning***

Gana doesn't need a new contract.

Probably earned one though.

Good to keep him happy, endorse his importance to club. I wouldn't be surprised if a few clubs were in his agents ear.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Tinga on October 27, 2017, 11:58:20 PM
***Miserable Bastard Warning***

Gana doesn't need a new contract.

Doesn't matter, this player is one we need to keep at Everton and if he wants a new contract, give him it.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 28, 2017, 12:01:20 AM
***Miserable Bastard Warning***

Gana doesn't need a new contract.

Why what's he currently earning and how long is left on his contract?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on October 28, 2017, 12:37:02 AM
Whether or not Chelsea's B team was a good level of opposition, this looks good to me (click on the shot map):

https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/923617821409595393 (https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/923617821409595393)

We allowed some decent opportunities* and it's not unusual to lose to superior finishing/goalkeeping but, even if you take away Calvert-Lewin's goal at the end, it looks like we created the better chances.

* Not too much in the center of the box, though, which is promising.

It had a shape, which was an improvement. But interesting on several fronts.

Looks like doubling up with Kenny and Lennon, hampered their left side and limited Musonda's options and subsequently Batshuayi. While Mirallas left Zappacosta to play as right winger against Baines, without major effect.

We look the more unbalanced side, but they were dragged out of position. With Beni/Davies Lennon/Kenny both almost interchangeable and Mirallas as more direct 2nd striker or satellite in system. But Cahill is dragged out wide to cover threat on Chelsea's left, while Zappacosta created not a lot, despite advanced position and freedom.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: van der Meyde on October 28, 2017, 01:04:21 AM
Probably earned one though.

Good to keep him happy, endorse his importance to club. I wouldn't be surprised if a few clubs were in his agents ear.
I suspect @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)'s point is a little more along the lines of we should actually be selling him to one of the clubs in his agent's ear...

Given that we're constrained by FFP, selling for a profit, rather than tying a 28 year old player until he's well in to his 30s, is definitely the more analayticsy thing to do.

One might suggest that we're seeing the problems with new contracts with Jagielka and Baines now too. 👀
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on October 28, 2017, 01:36:52 AM
I suspect @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)'s point is a little more along the lines of we should actually be selling him to one of the clubs in his agent's ear...

Given that we're constrained by FFP, selling for a profit, rather than tying a 28 year old player until he's well in to his 30s, is definitely the more analayticsy thing to do.

One might suggest that we're seeing the problems with new contracts with Jagielka and Baines now too. 👀

If you're thinking about selling, you're still better off signing a new deal. It will increase or help retain player value. From about 2 years out, you'll can see a decline in relations and a devaluing of a player's worth. Think Gana signed 4 years deal, so would be down to 2 in the summer, same place as Lukaku is summer just gone.

Transfer fees reflect the value of a contract and so, agreeing a new one, pushes the price up and it might deter suitors, but I don't think we'd have any difficulty selling Gueye if we wanted to.

He's the kind of player that fans can take for granted and complain about his creative side, but that he's involved that much is the point with players like Kante and Gueye. It's like a homing sensor, a low centre of gravity and no off switch.

That first goal against Arsenal will be forgotten because of the relatively small significance. But that was not a gift or a mistake, it was a forced mistake and so valuable in that area of the pitch and something he does on a scale that none of our other players compete with.

I'm not sure Gueye and Beni sounds like the partnership, or tutelage you'd want to endorse, but if it makes sense and works, who are we to judge.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 28, 2017, 02:13:33 AM
I suspect @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)'s point is a little more along the lines of we should actually be selling him to one of the clubs in his agent's ear...

Given that we're constrained by FFP, selling for a profit, rather than tying a 28 year old player until he's well in to his 30s, is definitely the more analayticsy thing to do.

One might suggest that we're seeing the problems with new contracts with Jagielka and Baines now too. 👀

Surely it depends on the numbers. Does anyone actually know the numbers
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: van der Meyde on October 28, 2017, 02:21:23 AM
Transfer fees reflect the value of a contract and so, agreeing a new one, pushes the price up and it might deter suitors, but I don't think we'd have any difficulty selling Gueye if we wanted to.
I think you're neglecting the other side of a player's contract: the player's wages.

There are some frankly outrageous salaries being rumoured for the likes of Sandro, Sigurdsson and Klaassen. It wouldn't be at all unreasonable for him to demand parity with them if that was true.

Everton might not have a problem finding a buyer, but Gueye would almost certainly have trouble finding somebody who'll match a salary of £100k+/week for that length of time.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 28, 2017, 02:39:47 AM
New contract doesn't mean he can't be sold, mind.

The American reports say Everton think/want Beni to become our version of Kante, and eventually replace Gana in the engine room.  But it's nice for there to be assured an orderly transition.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Shogun on October 30, 2017, 12:33:27 AM
He showed too much faith in certain players today.

Sigurdsson has shown over the last three seasons he's a top player whereas Rooney? No so much.

DCL isn't enough of a goal threat as much as I like him. Niasse would have been a better option, especially away from home.

Davies in a midfield 2 just doesn't work. Play Schneiderlin if he's fit enough to make the bench.

Not much choice in the back 4 so can't criticise him much. Perhaps Holgate for Kenny but even he gave away a stupid penalty against Lyon.

Might have even been better countering their back 3 with one of our own but that's hindsight.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on October 30, 2017, 12:54:43 AM
I'm Niasse's biggest fan, today he was dire. Kenny offers more than Cuco in passing and going forward, today defensive solidity was the issue, and Kenny struggled with that. Davies worst game, but his workload was massive. Lennon should have got pen and had a 1v1 he passed on.

But it was the wrong call in hindsight, trying to be positive and aggressive. You can't tell how all the players will perform or the weak links, you can only go on evidence. But changes during the game were good again and identified problems and improved, and we had ambition and attacking intent throughout, even if we didn't create much.

I think it was a game, that most of the more pragmatic managers would have settled for a draw, setup defence to be solid and then see what they can create or nick as you frustrate. Second half we found that wasn't a lot, but they'd already got it in the bag, so they didn't have to open up.

It was a bad result, a poor performance, but there are not obvious solutions, or otherwise he wouldn't be in the role. I thought he has identified problems and managed what he can, in terms of dropping Keane in defence. But solving creativity and goalscoring issues is never likely to happen overnight.

And can understand that when we were planning to press high up and take game to Leicester, you can't afford players who aren't really settled in the team. In that individual errors or misunderstanding, will leave you open to a dangerous fast team. But I think someone like Vlasic, might be worth playing into the team. It's just that Koeman and now Unsworth know they don't have the time to ride it out, each game is too important.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: toffee_scot on October 30, 2017, 12:55:04 AM
I'd still keep Unsworth in charge for at least a few more games, although the result was unacceptable today, the players looked more upbeat and committed than they did under Koeman and he's still trying to work out the best plan for a team that was completely lacking any confidence and direction under previous management.

I think Unsworth was a little naive in the first half playing both Davies and Gana in a 2 man central midfield (well 3 if you count the number of times Rooney dropped deep. The substitutions were a bit weird with both wingers being dropped, I disagree with the manager's comment that Mirallas "couldn't get into the game" as he was at least trying to create things. We had more possession and dominated the second half, but I wonder if it was more because Leicester let us because they knew they could create great chances on the counterattack and quite frankly their defence was really on top of everything.

I expect Unsworth will have learnt from this and improve things for the Watford game.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 30, 2017, 12:55:56 AM
He showed too much faith in certain players today.

Sigurdsson has shown over the last three seasons he's a top player whereas Rooney? No so much.

DCL isn't enough of a goal threat as much as I like him. Niasse would have been a better option, especially away from home.

Davies in a midfield 2 just doesn't work. Play Schneiderlin if he's fit enough to make the bench.

Not much choice in the back 4 so can't criticise him much. Perhaps Holgate for Kenny but even he gave away a stupid penalty against Lyon.

Might have even been better countering their back 3 with one of our own but that's hindsight.
I totally disagree with the niasse comment as away from home for me you need someone to make it stick

Sigurdsson has been poor since he signed and rooney had been nowhere near as bad so I go that

Didn't get the subs at all.... He came out in the paper this week saying he likes width, balls in the box etc so why take off two wingers??
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: wepull on October 30, 2017, 01:04:45 AM
What happened to Vlasic, is he injured or that Unsy doesn't like him much?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 01:32:57 AM
Hes a gobshite, but not sure what to make of this comment?

If it's true I hope it doesn't cause a rift, had enough of them.

https://twitter.com/Joey7Barton/status/924714884817965062

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Heisenberg on October 30, 2017, 02:16:19 AM
He showed too much faith in certain players today.

Sigurdsson has shown over the last three seasons he's a top player whereas Rooney? No so much.

DCL isn't enough of a goal threat as much as I like him. Niasse would have been a better option, especially away from home.

Davies in a midfield 2 just doesn't work. Play Schneiderlin if he's fit enough to make the bench.

Not much choice in the back 4 so can't criticise him much. Perhaps Holgate for Kenny but even he gave away a stupid penalty against Lyon.

Might have even been better countering their back 3 with one of our own but that's hindsight.

Agree with all except niasse shout. DCL is a target at least so I think the team is better off with him opposed to oumar
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: gizzblue on October 30, 2017, 02:32:21 AM
Hes a gobshite, but not sure what to make of this comment?

If it's true I hope it doesn't cause a rift, had enough of them.

https://twitter.com/Joey7Barton/status/924714884817965062
Don't even read his shite,has a fucking idiot yard dog twat, who's inability to be civil at best stopped him having any real chance at a decent career ...now he's a prick pundit type who thinks he's Cantona Esq in his musings ...

Fucking yoghurt of a man.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Shogun on October 30, 2017, 02:43:19 AM
Agree with all except niasse shout. DCL is a target at least so I think the team is better off with him opposed to oumar

I don't see the point in having a striker to make it stick when he can't score goals anyway.

At least Niasse has a knack of scoring terrible goals
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 02:44:03 AM
Don't even read his shite,has a fucking idiot yard dog twat, who's inability to be civil at best stopped him having any real chance at a decent career ...now he's a prick pundit type who thinks he's Cantona Esq in his musings ...

Fucking yoghurt of a man.

Do you like him?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 02:46:32 AM
Hes a gobshite, but not sure what to make of this comment?

If it's true I hope it doesn't cause a rift, had enough of them.

https://twitter.com/Joey7Barton/status/924714884817965062



He also said Unsworth was a glorified PE teacher on Talksport today. Can someone just chin the fucker.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 03:26:12 AM
I don't see the point in having a striker to make it stick when he can't score goals anyway.

At least Niasse has a knack of scoring terrible goals

That performance from Niasse today showed why Koeman was so keen to ship him out and showed what pretty much everyone thought of him before Koeman came in. He didnt deserve the treatment he got but he is a poor player no way near the standard of a player we should be using.

I know he has got a few goals but you cant have a player in the team that has no idea himself what to do in a lot of situations. The shot he had where spannered it wide, the position he was in you have to curl for the top corner he strikes with a technique that sends it away from goal. The cross down in the corner, you are facing away from goal at a tough angle hitting as hard as you can like you are shooting isnt going to do anything other go behind straight away. He did a few of them for Hull cant understand what goes through the head at that point. And that touch when rooney played him in, not even close to be able to get near the ball to do anything with it.

DCL is very minimal goal threat and really shouldnt be starting for us but there are no options. Niasse certainly starting games and absolutely on his own is just not possible in my opinion. Touch awful, no awareness and I'd be amazed if the players arent hesitant about giving the ball to him.

It is very desperate times that DCL is a regular starter for him and that Niasse is the next option as I dont think either are as good as Enner Valencia and he got ridiculed last season because he wasnt very good either.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 03:32:47 AM
As for Unsworth what I found strange was he made such a big thing about wanting wide players in the team, lots of crosses. We have the first half today where Lennon was one of the better players, Mirallas involved to a point. The big problem was being wide open, the two centre midfielders were awful in the half and we left them too much space to break on us. Then he changes it and goes ultra narrow second half, if width is the way you want to play like he stated then why not try and solve the problem in the middle and try and get a grip on the game that way without completely ripping up your plan and trying something completely different second half?

I know Sigurdsson has been poor but we know the level he can be so not sure why he is so far down the list to be used given our problems creating and scoring.

It's like he thought the crowd want width and us to be adventurous so went to be bold. However when we are playing this badly it isnt easy to switch it to being good to watch, attacking and creating lots of chances. Normally it comes from being solid, get a few results and when confidence comes the team improves. Just feels like should have made sure that middle was more secure first half either by having a midfield 3 and not playing Rooney or DCL, or made sure Rooney and the wide players tucked in more when we lost the ball.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 03:34:32 AM
Joey Barton slams Everton manager David Unsworth

http://dailym.ai/2zYFRSb

Can someone just do this gobshite.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 03:38:57 AM
That performance from Niasse today showed why Koeman was so keen to ship him out and showed what pretty much everyone thought of him before Koeman came in. He didnt deserve the treatment he got but he is a poor player no way near the standard of a player we should be using.

I know he has got a few goals but you cant have a player in the team that has no idea himself what to do in a lot of situations. The shot he had where spannered it wide, the position he was in you have to curl for the top corner he strikes with a technique that sends it away from goal. The cross down in the corner, you are facing away from goal at a tough angle hitting as hard as you can like you are shooting isnt going to do anything other go behind straight away. He did a few of them for Hull cant understand what goes through the head at that point. And that touch when rooney played him in, not even close to be able to get near the ball to do anything with it.

DCL is very minimal goal threat and really shouldnt be starting for us but there are no options. Niasse certainly starting games and absolutely on his own is just not possible in my opinion. Touch awful, no awareness and I'd be amazed if the players arent hesitant about giving the ball to him.

It is very desperate times that DCL is a regular starter for him and that Niasse is the next option as I dont think either are as good as Enner Valencia and he got ridiculed last season because he wasnt very good either.

Iíve never really rated Mirallas up top, always thought that option was a non-starter but due to our appauling options and the fact he doesnít offer much from the wing he might be something of a goal threat up top. Not a target, but maybe a through ball from Rooney to Lennon would be up his street. I just donít think this DCL approach can keep going, aside from the game against Man City itís so non-effective.

Our attacking options must be the worst in the league. Or very close to it. I was even starting to wonder if there are any free agents out there, itís that bad.

Maybe with Barkley back soon we can do away with Rooney in midfield and have him up top with another.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Brownie20 on October 30, 2017, 03:41:08 AM
Joey Barton slams Everton manager David Unsworth

http://dailym.ai/2zYFRSb

Can someone just do this gobshite.

It's not like Joseph to say something derogatory like this
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 03:43:54 AM
Niasse was terrible today. He contributed a lot more than DCL though. Least he got himself in positions to fuck it up.
The striker situation is beyond laughable. There's been plenty that have moved that would have signed for us that are infinitely better than niasse and DCL. Not players we would have been originally excited by but players who'd at least allow us to field a competent 11
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 03:44:13 AM
Iíve never really rated Mirallas up top, always thought that option was a non-starter but due to our appauling options and the fact he doesnít offer much from the wing he might be something of a goal threat up top. Not a target, but maybe a through ball from Rooney to Lennon would be up his street. I just donít think this DCL approach can keep going, aside from the game against Man City itís so non-effective.

Our attacking options must be the worst in the league. Or very close to it. I was even starting to wonder if there are any free agents out there, itís that bad.

Maybe with Barkley back soon we can do away with Rooney in midfield and have him up top with another.

Whenever I've watched a PL game this season I look and think would all the strikers on the pitch get in our team. When I can't find many arguments against Sam Vokes and Benik Afobe getting in our team you know we are in serious trouble in that position!!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 03:48:11 AM
Niasse was terrible today. He contributed a lot more than DCL though. Least he got himself in positions to fuck it up.
The striker situation is beyond laughable. There's been plenty that have moved that would have signed for us that are infinitely better than niasse and DCL. Not players we would have been originally excited by but players who'd at least allow us to field a competent 11
Niasse is a turd of a player and Lewin is like having a 14year old playing up front his movement is none and he is bullied all game his hold up play is shite and I don't give a fuck how old he is,he Is dire.

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 30, 2017, 03:49:57 AM
Only everton could have all the money they've ever dreamt of and end up like this.
I remember spurs completely blowing the 'Bale money a few years back. Fuck me, out of £150+ million spent this year, we've got a decent keeper and maybe Keane will come good. Oh and we have Niasse and Calvert Lewin as our main strikers with Ashley Williams keeping things 'tight'  at the back.
Fucking laughable.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 03:50:46 AM
Whenever I've watched a PL game this season I look and think would all the strikers on the pitch get in our team. When I can't find many arguments against Sam Vokes and Benik Afobe getting in our team you know we are in serious trouble in that position!!
I made this comment a few weeks ago - I said Glenn Murray would walk into our team and was slaughtered for it...wasnít suggesting him as a signing, just said heís better than we have...
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 03:52:26 AM
Didnít Sigurdsson spend some time up front for Swansea, might be worth consideration?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 03:54:31 AM
Whenever I've watched a PL game this season I look and think would all the strikers on the pitch get in our team. When I can't find many arguments against Sam Vokes and Benik Afobe getting in our team you know we are in serious trouble in that position!!

Ok free agents:

BenoÓt Trťmoulinas for Left Back.

Giuseppe Rossi for striker alongside Cheick Diabatť.

Woot. All our problems solved :)
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 03:55:19 AM
Niasse is a turd of a player and Lewin is like having a 14year old playing up front his movement is none and he is bullied all game his hold up play is shite and I don't give a fuck how old he is,he Is dire.



I completely agree. Even when people talk about the moments he does well it's stuff like a clever flick or good hold up play to win a throw. If these were the bread and butter he'd look promising but these are the highlights. I hope he goes on to become a great player but I just don't see it and in footballing terms he really isn't that young. He wouldn't get in any other premier league team.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 03:56:00 AM
Didnít Sigurdsson spend some time up front for Swansea, might be worth consideration?

Only as a ďfalse 9Ē.

Really donít think it should be so hard to get him and Rooney in the same team.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 03:58:21 AM
I made this comment a few weeks ago - I said Glenn Murray would walk into our team and was slaughtered for it...wasnít suggesting him as a signing, just said heís better than we have...

I was actually going to add him in as well but still cant quite admit that one to myself let alone the public.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: oscar on October 30, 2017, 04:01:07 AM
His comments about Unsworth on talksport were funny, and wasnít far off about his playing career as well
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 04:03:55 AM
Would love to see Bartonís face if he ever ran into Unsy in a bar
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 04:08:57 AM
Joey Barton slams Everton manager David Unsworth

http://dailym.ai/2zYFRSb

Can someone just do this gobshite.
He got one thing right Unsworth cannot be our next manager.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 04:12:34 AM
To be honest the best thing for his career would be to give the top job a wide berth. This squad will drag him under.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 04:12:44 AM
I was actually going to add him in as well but still cant quite admit that one to myself let alone the public.
Sobering...
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 04:16:20 AM

Can someone just do this gobshite.

Be careful with that word fella
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 05:31:55 AM
Thought he showed some astute management for someone in his position with his subs at half time.

He could've easily pandered to the crowd, opened the game up even more and chased the goal. We would've been 3-0 down within five minutes looking at the end of a thrashing.

Instead he consolidated, made us more narrow and we controlled the game better.

The game was already lost at half time like, but that could've been a lot worse.

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2017, 05:12:11 PM
Hopefully an appointment will be made this week.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 05:17:47 PM
Hopefully an appointment will be made this week.

Dont worry if it takes longer, id rather we appoint the right person rather than rush this decision.
If I was a manager id be tempted to try to hold fire until January before coming in as looking at the squad you'd struggle to see how or where you could improve certain elements?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2017, 06:32:07 PM
Dont worry if it takes longer, id rather we appoint the right person rather than rush this decision.
If I was a manager id be tempted to try to hold fire until January before coming in as looking at the squad you'd struggle to see how or where you could improve certain elements?

Yep you're not wrong, I do worry about going through another two months winless however.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 07:16:12 PM
Yep you're not wrong, I do worry about going through another two months winless however.

Glad to see you're as positive as me with regards to our chances over the next few months!! :)
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Normm on October 30, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
Less than one week as interim manager. A good performance at Chelsea. Two defensive mistakes that cost two goals at Leicester. One penalty that was not given that could have changed the match. A much improved second half ...

Leicester (first half) saw a recurrence of recent problems this season: lack of movement up front, slow mid-field, wide men not getting forward.

The lack of balance was helped when Beni came on - he linked up well in mid-field. Sigs also seemed more comfortable at No 10 when Rooney went off.

Next game: Unsy must consider using Lookman again to provide more of an attacking threat and to give more space to other strikers when defenders are drawn away to stop him. Beni, Gaye and Davies link up well together. Sigs could replace Rooney, with chance to recover form.

Give Unsy more time to show his mettle as manager.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
Thought he showed some astute management for someone in his position with his subs at half time.

He could've easily pandered to the crowd, opened the game up even more and chased the goal. We would've been 3-0 down within five minutes looking at the end of a thrashing.

Instead he consolidated, made us more narrow and we controlled the game better.

The game was already lost at half time like, but that could've been a lot worse.



It seemed panicked to me.

They were already 2-0 up and more than happy to see the game out.

Bar Rooneyís ball to Niasse we created no decent chances because they were happy to let us have the ball as we only had Rooney with any ingenuity about him.

You donít need two run in behind Strikers against a team thatís happy to sit back.

Not bringing on Sigurdsson until 10 mins to go (and then for Rooney) was poor too.

If he wanted to tighten up the game then changing at least one of the CMs for a sitter would have at least meant that we maintained some of the only good things from the first half (Rooney to Lennon).

Thatís all based on how heíd been bigging up width etc sonitd would have had to have been a fairly seismic shift in realisation of things to abandon it all completely.

All seemed very naive.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Redartin on October 30, 2017, 07:56:37 PM
The 45 minutes per match theme seems to be continuing. This was something that appeared to start under Koeman where we played well in the first half of a game, and then went to shit in the second half, or visa versa.

With Unsworth's first two matches we were shit first half and improved second half. Granted he made half time changes, which would account for some of that.

Why can we not get a full 90 minutes from this squad. It is clearly not a fitness thing, but why can they not get fired right away and stay that way. I don't think we played well in a full match for a long time.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 08:04:52 PM
The 45 minutes per match theme seems to be continuing. This was something that appeared to start under Koeman where we played well in the first half of a game, and then went to shit in the second half, or visa versa.

With Unsworth's first two matches we were shit first half and improved second half. Granted he made half time changes, which would account for some of that.

Why can we not get a full 90 minutes from this squad. It is clearly not a fitness thing, but why can they not get fired right away and stay that way. I don't think we played well in a full match for a long time.

Usually the first 45 minutes too. Clearly none of them are enthused about pulling on the shirt and playing for us at the minute. It's only when they're warmed up they start to be arsed. 
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on October 31, 2017, 09:21:32 PM
This situation is a little trickier than after Chelsea.

https://twitter.com/Caley_graphics/status/924709449956241409 (https://twitter.com/Caley_graphics/status/924709449956241409)

If I wasn't lazy, I'd download that picture, draw a big red circle around that clustering of shots allowed in the middle of the box, and label it "where Schneiderlin or Baningime could have helped."

Playing a 4-4-2 with two positionally undisciplined midfielders in a tricky away fixture was naive. For the time being, he needs to stick with the rigid 4-3-3 for away matches. If we manage to scrap a goal, perfect. If not, we have the option to open things up in the second half with one easy switch (forward for centre mid). He can be a little more aggressive at home, although I still think we need someone disciplined in midfield, like Schneiderlin, if we want to play with two centre forwards.

Unsworth is still my preferred option until the end of the season. I think he's been unfortunate to start off with three away fixtures against talented sides and that we'd actually have something to show for his early work if he had started with Brighton and Lyon at home instead of Chelsea, Leicester, and Lyon away. (Also, I think he's the only candidate that won't turn the club into a bigger behind-the-scenes mess than it already is.)

A few more naive choices will see my opinion change quickly, though.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 10:18:27 PM
This situation is a little trickier than after Chelsea.

https://twitter.com/Caley_graphics/status/924709449956241409 (https://twitter.com/Caley_graphics/status/924709449956241409)

If I wasn't lazy, I'd download that picture, draw a big red circle around that clustering of shots allowed in the middle of the box, and label it "where Schneiderlin or Baningime could have helped."

Playing a 4-4-2 with two positionally undisciplined midfielders in a tricky away fixture was naive. For the time being, he needs to stick with the rigid 4-3-3 for away matches. If we manage to scrap a goal, perfect. If not, we have the option to open things up in the second half with one easy switch (forward for centre mid). He can be a little more aggressive at home, although I still think we need someone disciplined in midfield, like Schneiderlin, if we want to play with two centre forwards.

Unsworth is still my preferred option until the end of the season. I think he's been unfortunate to start off with three away fixtures against talented sides and that we'd actually have something to show for his early work if he had started with Brighton and Lyon at home instead of Chelsea, Leicester, and Lyon away. (Also, I think he's the only candidate that won't turn the club into a bigger behind-the-scenes mess than it already is.)

A few more naive choices will see my opinion change quickly, though.
Has been a very tricky start for him, 3 differing styles too
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: therealdunc on October 31, 2017, 10:26:30 PM
Tricky start  ;D

We played Chelsea reserves , a Leicester team with 1 more point than us.

Heís had a easy start and heís not very good.

His level is u23s football with no pressure, if he wants to be a first team football league manager he needs to go and get experience in the non league or league 1/2 and do his learning there, not on the job at Everton.

But Ďheís one of usí  :snigger:
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 31, 2017, 10:40:27 PM
He'll learn his trade and maybe go on to be a successful manager but learning on the job in face of relegation is not on old chap.

But I like him!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 01:22:40 AM
fucking hell, there's a lot of FM player here, Unsworth has had an easy start? FUCK OFF!  a badly balanced squad, low on confidence, played chelsea reserves? how many of them would improve our squad? and Leicester , premiership winners a while ago, yeah, easy peasy eh?

if its that easy I hope your putting your CV in to the club. and shouts for allerdyce and dyche? fuck off. if DU is not good enough ok, but even thinking about those two is fucking insulting. if Moshiri is not more ambitious than that, he can fuck off as well, and take kenwright with him.

sick of this shit, selling the club and supporters short.

no wonder the cunts across the park say we are a small club with attitudes like that. makes me want to puke.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Simon Paul on November 01, 2017, 01:24:49 AM
Would love to see Bartonís face if he ever ran into Unsy in a bar

get the impression that Rhino has slapped him to be honest

was during Barton's City days that he got a LOT of abuse from us at Goodison and reckon Rhino either gave him a clip or put in a crunching tackle - but Barton claims to respect that stuff
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Normm on November 01, 2017, 04:04:19 AM
Barton is just trying to help get his mate Dyche into the job so he can feel more welcome at Goodison.

Anyone JB recommends should be considered with caution!

As for Unsy being a bit overweight for a guy with a stocky build, that is totally irrelevant. If he was charging out as captain, then Barton would have a point. But if a manager needs to be an exemplar of fitness, then all should be sacked! That's not their job. Besides, anyone with muscle looks fat in a suit - they don't call Tony Bellew 'Fat Boy' for nothing (but never to his face!).

The point is: can he inspire confidence, can he produce a balanced team that plays with heart and imagination, can he get results? ...He did with the youngsters, so let's see how he gets on over the next games with the first team. Give the guy a chance!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on November 01, 2017, 04:08:09 AM
fucking hell, there's a lot of FM player here, Unsworth has had an easy start? FUCK OFF!  a badly balanced squad, low on confidence, played chelsea reserves? how many of them would improve our squad? and Leicester , premiership winners a while ago, yeah, easy peasy eh?

if its that easy I hope your putting your CV in to the club. and shouts for allerdyce and dyche? fuck off. if DU is not good enough ok, but even thinking about those two is fucking insulting. if Moshiri is not more ambitious than that, he can fuck off as well, and take kenwright with him.

sick of this shit, selling the club and supporters short.

no wonder the cunts across the park say we are a small club with attitudes like that. makes me want to puke.
Very eloquently put but fuck off.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 01, 2017, 05:55:34 AM
Gosh,  through all the puking and threats never to go again and hoping the owners fuck off and other gross over reactions, people need to relax a bit and take stock of where we are. It is a mess for all sorts of reasons and will take someone experienced and very good at their job to get us out of the shit we are heading for. That rules out the learner Unsworth in my book. The vilification of Dyche and Allardyce is uncalled for. They are good at what they do. We are probably not an attractive proposition at this stage for any well known available "more prominent" managers from abroad or anywhere else. 3 year contract for Dyche, or a rest of the season one for Sam, and then regroup and see where we stand next May. Either manager would need to spend on established decent goal scorers in January. It is all a big disappointment but it is where we are.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 01, 2017, 06:20:54 AM
In the couple of days after Koeman's sacking every time I saw the name Unsworth it was followed by 'to steady the ship up to tenth'. Now it seems to be followed by 'to see how he does'.
We haven't got time to waste on auditions.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 07:18:25 AM
In the couple of days after Koeman's sacking every time I saw the name Unsworth it was followed by 'to steady the ship up to tenth'. Now it seems to be followed by 'to see how he does'.
We haven't got time to waste on auditions.

Certainly not, it's unfair on unsworth and it's fucking dangerously ill-conceived on our part. How many U23 coaches would you be happy taking on for a bit to see what happens? Suck a lemon it ain't happening.

Let him get some chest slapping out of the lads for a few games before we hire the best tactical manager we can, get a process in place for squad recruitment and analysis, and let unsworth go back to quietly building an impressive (U23 coach) reputation, and there may be a more appropriate time to make the step
up.

I'd love it if he did well, I'd also love it if I did well at it, or jimmy the kitman, or Wayne Rooney player manager shagger bevvier,  but it's count chocula fantasy stuff to try crowbar in a local hero like that will fix anything in this rotten side.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 01, 2017, 07:41:49 AM
Barton is just trying to help get his mate Dyche into the job so he can feel more welcome at Goodison.

Anyone JB recommends should be considered with caution!

As for Unsy being a bit overweight for a guy with a stocky build, that is totally irrelevant. If he was charging out as captain, then Barton would have a point. But if a manager needs to be an exemplar of fitness, then all should be sacked! That's not their job. Besides, anyone with muscle looks fat in a suit - they don't call Tony Bellew 'Fat Boy' for nothing (but never to his face!).

The point is: can he inspire confidence, can he produce a balanced team that plays with heart and imagination, can he get results? ...He did with the youngsters, so let's see how he gets on over the next games with the first team. Give the guy a chance!

I don't think Unsworth is any fatter than Pochettino. He's certainly tougher and I know who i'd back in a fight.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Cuttyblue on November 01, 2017, 08:52:19 AM
We should be actively looking for a proven manager for the long term.

Unsy deserves a chance.  One league away loss to a team that won the league 2 years ago and has a record of waiting for a new manager to play well... he hasn't got a look in yet. 

Let's see how the next home game or two goes.   
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Confucius on November 01, 2017, 10:25:53 AM
How come we never get the new manager bump?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 01:09:19 PM
Very eloquently put but fuck off.

Short, succinct, and lacking in any point. Probably.your best post recently.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 01:17:37 PM
Gosh,  through all the puking and threats never to go again and hoping the owners fuck off and other gross over reactions, people need to relax a bit and take stock of where we are. It is a mess for all sorts of reasons and will take someone experienced and very good at their job to get us out of the shit we are heading for. That rules out the learner Unsworth in my book. The vilification of Dyche and Allardyce is uncalled for. They are good at what they do. We are probably not an attractive proposition at this stage for any well known available "more prominent" managers from abroad or anywhere else. 3 year contract for Dyche, or a rest of the season one for Sam, and then regroup and see where we stand next May. Either manager would need to spend on established decent goal scorers in January. It is all a big disappointment but it is where we are.

They are not.good enough. Simple. And had Moshiri shown true ambition I doubt we sou.have been in this place now. R K was a poor choice, his record was not the best , probably a safety first appointmemnt. If thats what you want,  lets go for.moyes. not spectacular but proven. Rather him than allerdyce.

But for.now.we have DU, who deserves a chance to show if he can make the transition. Two DIFFICULT games is not.enough, And certainly.not enough to warrant jumping for.fat Sam.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 01, 2017, 02:08:43 PM
They are not.good enough. Simple. And had Moshiri shown true ambition I doubt we sou.have been in this place now. R K was a poor choice, his record was not the best , probably a safety first appointmemnt. If thats what you want,  lets go for.moyes. not spectacular but proven. Rather him than allerdyce.

But for.now.we have DU, who deserves a chance to show if he can make the transition. Two DIFFICULT games is not.enough, And certainly.not enough to warrant jumping for.fat Sam.


I honestly wouldnt touch Moyes with a barge pole. He has highlighted his limitations on more than 1 occasion since leaving us, and even during spells with us. And Unsworth has done little to warrant this opportunity other than the fact hes an employee of the club.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 02:39:09 PM
I honestly wouldnt touch Moyes with a barge pole. He has highlighted his limitations on more than 1 occasion since leaving us, and even during spells with us. And Unsworth has done little to warrant this opportunity other than the fact hes an employee of the club.

I have more faith in either of them than allerdyce. My point is just throwing names like his out there, is wrong, maybe Unsworth won't be good enough long term, but at the very least it gives us time to look at quality managers. And let's not forget, he has Joe Royle to back him up.

Let's just quit with the hyperbole please and give him a chance. And stop with the fat Sam shouts....it's depressing enough without that shit.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 01, 2017, 03:09:20 PM
I have more faith in either of them than allerdyce. My point is just throwing names like his out there, is wrong, maybe Unsworth won't be good enough long term, but at the very least it gives us time to look at quality managers. And let's not forget, he has Joe Royle to back him up.

Let's just quit with the hyperbole please and give him a chance. And stop with the fat Sam shouts....it's depressing enough without that shit.

So you'd have more confidence in a manager that has been sacked on 2 of his last 3 appointments and left the other after getting them relegated cause he didnt want the fight, and a manager that has no experience managing, with the exception of U23s, who got it woefully wrong against Leicester over a manager that has never been relegated, generally improves teams, albeit his style of play may not be to everyone's taste and got enough recognition to manage his National team?
I dont want Allardyce to take over and think we should be aiming much, much higher but Moyes and Unsworth would be a farcical appointment if we do have plans on progressing, even more so than Sam.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 03:51:24 PM
How come we never get the new manager bump?
Martinez first year ?.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 04:51:04 PM
So you'd have more confidence in a manager that has been sacked on 2 of his last 3 appointments and left the other after getting them relegated cause he didnt want the fight, and a manager that has no experience managing, with the exception of U23s, who got it woefully wrong against Leicester over a manager that has never been relegated, generally improves teams, albeit his style of play may not be to everyone's taste and got enough recognition to manage his National team?
I dont want Allardyce to take over and think we should be aiming much, much higher but Moyes and Unsworth would be a farcical appointment if we do have plans on progressing, even more so than Sam.


I am saying that allerdyce is not much of a better option,  and i would prefer him not to be associated with the club in any way. And for all moyes faults. He did some goos stuff and brought some veryvtalentes players in, on a paltey budget, and if your judging unsworth after two games against two sides much better than us, thats pathetic. Barely a week to assess and sort all the issues we have is beyond any manager imo.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 04:58:08 PM
I am saying that allerdyce is not much of a better option,  and i would prefer him not to be associated with the club in any way. And for all moyes faults. He did some goos stuff and brought some veryvtalentes players in, on a paltey budget, and if your judging unsworth after two games against two sides much better than us, thats pathetic. Barely a week to assess and sort all the issues we have is beyond any manager imo.

Heís not judging unsworth because as you rightly say you can count his first team games on one fucking hand which is part of the problem.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 06:24:57 PM
Heís not judging unsworth because as you rightly say you can count his first team games on one fucking hand which is part of the problem.

So if he is not judging him, why bring it up?
We know he has little experience, but how do you get experience? So he is in place till January, that is when he should be judged.

And it gives the board time to make the best choice.....and neither Dyche or Allerdyce will be close...i truly hope.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on November 01, 2017, 06:35:03 PM
How come we never get the new manager bump?

Martinez bumped us up to 5th, Koeman bumped us up to 7th.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Confucius on November 01, 2017, 07:29:41 PM
I mean the first few games bunp
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 01, 2017, 07:53:51 PM
I mean the first few games bunp

Won 4/5 of the first games with Koeman didnít we?

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 01, 2017, 07:57:51 PM
So if he is not judging him, why bring it up?
We know he has little experience, but how do you get experience? So he is in place till January, that is when he should be judged.

And it gives the board time to make the best choice.....and neither Dyche or Allerdyce will be close...i truly hope.

He doesnít necessarily need to be judged though does he?

If thereís a top candidate willing to come in the next 2 weeks or whatever then he just moves aside.

This isnít an actual trial with the idea that if he wins some games he stays on for another x amount of games.

Itís a Best case scenario thing that if a top manager isnít available and heís doing ok then weíre not in a panic stations position.

If for some reason he is in charge for a good while and he turns out to be really good (as really good is what we should be aiming for and as such that standard he should be judged against) then great.

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 08:23:56 PM
So if he is not judging him, why bring it up?
We know he has little experience, but how do you get experience? So he is in place till January, that is when he should be judged.

And it gives the board time to make the best choice.....and neither Dyche or Allerdyce will be close...i truly hope.

Go and get all the experience you like, but not while we’re gasping for air.

As a steady the ship with a man who’s well liked and well thought of in the club - 100% happy with that we are lucky to have a talented young coach so ingrained in our identity who can step up for a few weeks - but we need to start picking up wins NOW and the best way to do that is to hire the best coach possible, not have a little look and see if we can bed someone in slowly.

trying to hang the curtains when the fucking house is on fire over here.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on November 01, 2017, 10:15:29 PM
I'm still fully on board with Unsworth, I can understand why people are panicking or want more reassurance about what it means longer term. 2 games and we lost them both, but both difficult away games with team bereft of confidence. You're not always going to start every game as you intend, but in both games we adapted and improved.

Chelsea game, Conte has best PL win ratio, a manager who has received no end of plaudits for tactics when winning title last year. As game went on he had plenty of reason to worry.

Against Leicester we could have been more cynical with Gray, and I think Davies and Rooney wore that frustration for rest of the match. Also you can't really legislate for Kenny swiping as a cross like that, you have to get behind the ball, if you can't make a strong connection. As game wore on, we were 2 down to a team setup to counter attack with pace. We actually did come back into the game, despite the the obvious risks and dangers, we largely limited them after early mistakes.

I think November has a lot of more winnable matches and I think Unsworth would start picking up wins and points, I'm just not sure he'll be given time or support to do so.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on November 01, 2017, 10:37:53 PM
Short, succinct, and lacking in any point. Probably.your best post recently.
Thanks mate.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on November 01, 2017, 11:03:19 PM
There has always been a clear pattern with teams struggling with fixture congestion. The last 2 title winners didn't have European fixtures and got a head start in the league. Koeman's record shows consistency, pragmatism, but with European fixtures it turned into disasters. Under Moyes whenever we had european fixtures we'd struggle more at start of the season and often look threadbare. Plenty of other examples of big managers having major difficulties. United, Arsenal are often considered slow starters, they have lapses of form, moments of panic, but often worked their way back into things.

Spurs got a draw against Real, then thump Liverpool in the league. 2 up in a cup tie against West Ham, end up losing 3-2 and then lose again to United. It's a accumulation of fatigue, physically and emotionally, but then complacency creeps in as you play so regularly,  performances in each competition are not disconnected, confidence can drain quickly.

It's a baptism of fire, the last 2 PL winners, then Lyon and then finally a first home game against a young, vibrant Watford in the space of a fortnight. I think if we'd appointed anyone more well established and widely respected, we'd have only been expecting improvements early doors and then results to turn around as you get a team playing, you exit cups and can focus all energy on league, getting wins and climbing table.

When I look at the performances of the players, I think Niasse was trying a bit too hard to make something happen. But the key experienced players in the team have tried to take more authority and have played with more confidence and ambition. Mirallas has looked decent and back to kind of what you expect from him, Lennon deserved to get a pen and while he should have shot, if DCL put it away, it's great play.

When Kenny made the mistake, he wasn't hooked off the pitch and actually he played pretty well and tried to help atone for his error. Beni hasn't looked at all phased by things and has been one of the highlights. Lookman looked more purposeful against Chelsea, DCL has looked more enthused, but a broken nose isn't going to do much for his confidence.

It's a difficult situation to grow a team out of, Koeman made that point. Regardless how much money we have, or who we might buy, we can't replace or buy anyone until at least January. Getting the players producing more of what they are capable of, is at present paramount and the expectation, I see that. Trying to turn individual performances and build a cohesive team is more easily said than done, and the fixture congestion gives a need to rotate that doesn't make job any easier, but we've had more solid structure and ambition up front, arguably a bit too much.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Simon Paul on November 01, 2017, 11:25:22 PM
Rhino been told he hasn't got the job permanently already
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 11:27:57 PM
Rhino been told he hasn't got the job permanently already
Has he?
Looks like it with that squad he's took tho

Shame but I do think it's a touch too soon

I hope he gets kept on and or that he doesn't leave
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 01, 2017, 11:33:35 PM
Why should he leave? His U23 job must be cast iron.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 11:35:35 PM
Why should he leave? His U23 job must be cast iron.
He's come out, said he wants the job but has been told no
Maybe he might think there is no future for him.
Let's hope not
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Simon Paul on November 01, 2017, 11:38:10 PM
He's come out, said he wants the job but has been told no
Maybe he might think there is no future for him.
Let's hope not


Said he loves the under 23 job as well though
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 11:40:15 PM
I want him to go manage somewhere else tbh.

See what he's about. Can't manage the under 23s forever
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: pjk on November 01, 2017, 11:53:00 PM
We don't know if any lower league teams have been in for him and he's turned them down. I get the impression he want's to stay here indefinitely, hence the mention of his great job in the U23s. Seems he wants the main job and might be prepared to wait. It's a good point though, that seeing what he's about would make things much clearer.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 12:45:44 AM
How come we never get the new manager bump?

2nd half versus Chelsea!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 01:02:24 AM
Rhino been told he hasn't got the job permanently already

Thought as much, looks like he was told to forget about the Europa as well. Concentrate on Watford game.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 01:06:22 AM
Super.

Panic, appoint the next guy before the club sorts anything structurally, waste more money, create a bigger mess.

Top stuff. Pat on the back for Bill and Farhad. Keep on killing it, guys.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 01:28:16 AM
Time to bring back out my loaning coaches to lower league clubs idea! :)

Would be cheaper for the loaning club than a permanent manager etc. Plus weíd get to road test our younger coaches.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 03:16:46 PM
Time to bring back out my loaning coaches to lower league clubs idea! :)

Would be cheaper for the loaning club than a permanent manager etc. Plus weíd get to road test our younger coaches.

Could see it definitely. Did you see the guardian article arguing for clubs spending big on managers? Transfer window for managers logical conclusion, loaning highly rated youth coaches to clubs who wouldnít be able to afford it usually.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 03:18:37 PM
Could see it definitely. Did you see the guardian article arguing for clubs spending big on managers? Transfer window for managers logical conclusion, loaning highly rated youth coaches to clubs who wouldnít be able to afford it usually.

No never saw that. Will look it up!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 04:19:44 PM
No never saw that. Will look it up!

Heads up the second half of my paragraph is my inferring of logical conclusion of that line of thinking
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Major Clanger on November 02, 2017, 04:30:05 PM
Could see it definitely. Did you see the guardian article arguing for clubs spending big on managers? Transfer window for managers logical conclusion, loaning highly rated youth coaches to clubs who wouldnít be able to afford it usually.

I've been saying it for years that we need transfer windows for managers.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: hill135 on November 02, 2017, 05:23:00 PM
If we had a transfer window for managers weíd still be stuck with Ron and spiralling even further!

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Hawkandro on November 02, 2017, 06:18:49 PM
I think Unsworth needs to leave to test his mettle, especially if he wants to manage us one day.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Major Clanger on November 02, 2017, 06:37:02 PM
If we had a transfer window for managers weíd still be stuck with Ron and spiralling even further!

No, we wouldn't. We'd just be limited to unattached managers in our search for a successor.

And of course the hope is that people would be a lot more careful when hiring managers in the first place.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 07:44:28 PM
A supposed forward-thinking guy like Moshiri should be well on board with the loaning out of Unsworth to test his mettle. He's proved himself in Moshiri's first pet project, the U-23's, so why would you want to potentially lose him and all that knowledge and experience to maybe come back and sit in the opposite dugout one day.
Title: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 07:59:33 PM
A supposed forward-thinking guy like Moshiri should be well on board with the loaning out of Unsworth to test his mettle. He's proved himself in Moshiri's first pet project, the U-23's, so why would you want to potentially lose him and all that knowledge and experience to maybe come back and sit in the opposite dugout one day.

If you can provide one bit of evidence that Moshiri is forward-thinking w/r/t football (not business, actual football) it would make me feel much better about the club's prospects.

Edit: I see you said "supposed.Ē Sorry.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 08:02:31 PM
If you can provide even one piece of evidence that Moshiri is forward-thinking w/r/t football (not business, actual football) it would make me feel much better about the club’s prospects.

Hence the word 'supposed.' Although he has invested heavily in the U-23's, far in excess of other teams, presumably with a view to growing our own production line and not spending huge sums buying it in at a later date. On this basis the coaching as well as the talent need to take equal precedence as you can't have success without both parties, hence he should be all over Unsworth's career plan too.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 08:03:55 PM
Hence the word 'supposed.'

Yeah, I saw that right after I posted. My bad.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 08:04:44 PM
The investment in the youth teams/players is a literal definition of forward thinking.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ross on November 02, 2017, 08:14:14 PM
Just out of interest whatís this heavy investment being made in the under 23ís?

Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 08:17:16 PM
Just out of interest what’s this heavy investment being made in the under 23’s?

Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.

Do a little more research.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 08:17:56 PM
Just out of interest whatís this heavy investment being made in the under 23ís?

Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.

I dont follow the u23s that much but I know there was kid from Newcastle (Gibson I think) who cost a bit and that Donkor, but dont think its been vast amounts, could be wrong though?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 02, 2017, 08:18:52 PM
@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) for DoF.  Who wants to manage?  I know Brownie is more of a rugby fella, but he also seems like he'd command respect (or crack skulls).

I volunteer for substitutions specialist assistant, and magnet for the peoples' (deserved) abuse!  :D
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
Just out of interest whatís this heavy investment being made in the under 23ís?

Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.

Lewis Gibson cost £6m didn't he? The lad from QPR, Josh Bowler, cost £4.25m.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on November 02, 2017, 08:21:07 PM
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-everton-u21/transfers/verein/9261/saison_id/2017 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-everton-u21/transfers/verein/9261/saison_id/2017)
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Major Clanger on November 02, 2017, 08:22:37 PM
Just out of interest whatís this heavy investment being made in the under 23ís?

Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.

Josh Bowler from QPR and Lewis Gibson from Newcastle.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 02, 2017, 08:23:42 PM
Josh Bowler from QPR and Lewis Gibson from Newcastle.
And the lad from Fulham
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 08:26:50 PM
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-everton-u21/transfers/verein/9261/saison_id/2017 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-everton-u21/transfers/verein/9261/saison_id/2017)


From that it looks like we get ripped off even more in the under 23s market than we do for our full squad!! 6.39 million spent with a market value of 1.44 million
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 08:27:28 PM
Some people appear to be dying to undermine Moshiri and hoping it all goes it all tits up.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ross on November 02, 2017, 08:28:28 PM
Do a little more research.

Point me in the right direction?

I dont follow the u23s that much but I know there was kid from Newcastle (Gibson I think) who cost a bit and that Donkor, but dont think its been vast amounts, could be wrong though?

Isnít that Donkor just a loan like Dier was?

Lewis Gibson cost £6m didn't he? The lad from QPR, Josh Bowler, cost £4.25m.

Canít remember about Gibson but Bowler was heavily incentivised wasnít it, pretty minimal outlay initially. Even them fees are pretty standard at that level though now arenít they? Sterling cost £5m when he moved to the shite 10 years ago, Arsenal payed about that for Pennant amongst others back in the late 90ís and 00ís and god knows what City or Chelsea pay for kids.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on November 02, 2017, 08:33:54 PM
From that it looks like we get ripped off even more in the under 23s market than we do for our full squad!! 6.39 million spent with a market value of 1.44 million

Or we could have got a bargain if they develop into world beaters.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 08:39:38 PM
From that it looks like we get ripped off even more in the under 23s market than we do for our full squad!! 6.39 million spent with a market value of 1.44 million

Yeh, I always go www.transfermarkt.co.uk for my cutting edge football insights.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 08:41:25 PM
Point me in the right direction?

Isnít that Donkor just a loan like Dier was?

Canít remember about Gibson but Bowler was heavily incentivised wasnít it, pretty minimal outlay initially. Even them fees are pretty standard at that level though now arenít they? Sterling cost £5m when he moved to the shite 10 years ago, Arsenal payed about that for Pennant amongst others back in the late 90ís and 00ís and god knows what City or Chelsea pay for kids.

Convenient that you 'can't remember' a 6 million outlay on an U17s player. Use google, jog your memory.

As you well know there's been plenty of seasons we couldn't spend £10m on the first team, let alone two players for the youth teams. So yeah, there has been clear and indisputable investment.

But you crack on with your agenda and don't let annoying things like facts and information get in the way.

 Moshiri out!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: formerKHL on November 02, 2017, 08:45:05 PM
most of the outlay on young players is "compensation" for the development outlay invested by the selling club...

don't get this mixed up with transfer fees......

the "extension" payments are then incrued on a development basis...ie: if he make the first team we pay x amount...if after so many appearances for the firt team it's Y amount....if we sell on within so many years and make a profit it could be Z amount....
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ross on November 02, 2017, 08:46:57 PM
Convenient that you 'can't remember' a 6 million outlay on an U17s player. Use google, jog your memory.

As you well know there's been plenty of seasons we couldn't spend £10m on the first team, let alone two players for the youth teams. So yeah, there has been clear and indisputable investment.

But you crack on with your agenda and don't let annoying things like facts and information get in the way.

 Moshiri out!

What are you going on about?

I couldnít remember so asked. Further investigating reveals its £6m for a lad if he manages to fulfil all kinds of incentives. Thatís not what we paid for him.

If thatís the case we paid £2m to Leeds for Luke Garbutt in 2009. Given the inflation in football transfer fees heíd be going for £20m now.

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 02, 2017, 09:05:39 PM
What are you going on about?

I couldnít remember so asked. Further investigating reveals its £6m for a lad if he manages to fulfil all kinds of incentives. Thatís not what we paid for him.

If thatís the case we paid £2m to Leeds for Luke Garbutt in 2009. Given the inflation in football transfer fees heíd be going for £20m now.

i guess ive learned not to ask people for facts or links to where said facts could be ascertained, seems like you just get a barrage of abuse instead...
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 02:14:23 AM
I'm still on board.

Sort Walsh's role first.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 02:24:42 AM
3 games, 3 defeats, 1 goal for, 7 goals against.

Not the best audition for the full time gig from Unsworth is it.

We need someone asap because things haven't improved in the slightest, if anything we're now worse than when Koeman was sacked.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 02:26:39 AM
Yep.

Not the man for the job.

Who the fuck is I don't know.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 02:27:11 AM
3 games, 3 defeats, 1 goal for, 7 goals against.

Not the best audition for the full time gig from Unsworth is it.

We need someone asap because things haven't improved in the slightest, if anything we're now worse than when Koeman was sacked.

Haha, that's ludicrous. Did you watch the Arsenal game? We're better than when Koeman was fired, but maybe not better enough for Unsworth to keep his job (fixtures defo haven't helped him).
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 02:28:25 AM

if anything we're now worse than when Koeman was sacked.

What?!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 02:30:52 AM
Haha, that's ludicrous. Did you watch the Arsenal game? We're better than when Koeman was fired, but maybe not better enough for Unsworth to keep his job (fixtures defo haven't helped him).

Yeah, we actually scored 2 goals.

The fixtures haven't been that bad let's be honest, a Chelsea side with plenty of second string players in it, a Leicester almost equally as bad as us followed by a half decent side in Lyon.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 02:31:58 AM
Three different game plans, all more coherent than anything Koeman served up this season.

If we find someone better, fine. But I think it's more of the same for the club if we rush into a new manager without giving any thought to how fucked our backroom set-up is.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on November 03, 2017, 02:34:56 AM
Three different game plans, all more coherent than anything Koeman served up this season.

Unsworth has picked 18 different starters in three matches, played players in multiple positions during those 270 minutes and left an already demotivated team looking thoroughly confused for good measure.

he's out of his depth


http://www.football365.com/news/f365-says-and-there-must-everton-end-the-david-unsworth-experiment
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 02:38:59 AM
'it's been better than Koeman' isn't a very convincing argument for keeping him on.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 02:50:17 AM
'it's been better than Koeman' isn't a very convincing argument for keeping him on.
It's the actual only positive I've seen
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 02:50:39 AM
We are not Palace ffs the guy has had three games ....anything Koeman instilled into the squad is still rattling round some members ....he needs time ,yeah it's pressure and we havnt got much time but ffs three games is the sum of fuck all in reality in terms of trying to turn this debacle of RK's round.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 02:54:31 AM
We are not Palace ffs the guy has had three games ....anything Koeman instilled into the squad is still rattling round some members ....he needs time ,yeah it's pressure and we havnt got much time but ffs three games is the sum of fuck all in reality in terms of trying to turn this debacle of RK's round.


Heís not been appointed - itís nothing like Palace sacking de Boer.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 02:57:14 AM
We are not Palace ffs the guy has had three games ....anything Koeman instilled into the squad is still rattling round some members ....he needs time ,yeah it's pressure and we havnt got much time but ffs three games is the sum of fuck all in reality in terms of trying to turn this debacle of RK's round.


Why would you give the managerial role with arguably one of our worst squads in recent-ish history to someone without PL experience/track record?

We should've had someone in by now IMO.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 03:00:03 AM
https://twitter.com/george_green10/status/926187773232582656
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 03:01:57 AM
I think the selections and general approach were fine vs Chelsea and tonight.

Good change at half time vs Chelsea saw good football and chances, replacing Rooney with Niasse killed our flow though.

Leicester was naive in the extreme both in terms of what types of midfielders Davies and Gueye are but also what Leicester like to play against.

The narrowing half time subs also played into their hands with a 2-0 lead to protect.

As I said tonight was fine given our confidence levels and that theyíre a good team in good form.

But I thought the first sub was too early.

So Leicester was the most disappointing game as it killed the little moment we could have taken from the improvement vs Chelsea and placed this game and Sunday under more undue strain than necessary.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Major Clanger on November 03, 2017, 03:06:41 AM
Unsworth has picked 18 different starters in three matches, played players in multiple positions during those 270 minutes and left an already demotivated team looking thoroughly confused for good measure.

We don't look any more confused than under Koeman. In fact we look a lot less confused, the players have a fairly clear idea what their role is, even if the overall tactics aren't working.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 03:08:48 AM
Why would you give the managerial role with arguably one of our worst squads in recent-ish history to someone without PL experience/track record?

We should've had someone in by now IMO.
Never at any point said give him it full time ....re read if you want, but we have just give near four years to two fucking Muppets with about as much nouse as Sunday league managers neither of whome are exactly winners unless I've been in a coma since Martinez cup run separation season ....so for some to be calling Unsworth after three games is just  shithouse .imho.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 03:12:29 AM
We don't look any more confused than under Koeman. In fact we look a lot less confused, the players have a fairly clear idea what their role is, even if the overall tactics aren't working.

We could / should have equalised vs Chelsea so thatís not an issue.

I think vs Leicester and the sub tonight have been overly optimistic decisions - probably due to the fact that heís felt that heís auditioning for the role, rather than just trying to get 2 solid draws.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 03:14:59 AM
Played 3 of our best halves of football under unsworth. He's clearly improved us. Unfortunately it really doesn't matter though. He's absolutely no chance of the job because of the results
We could easily go down this season regardless of who we get in. We can't put an 11 out that's capable of scoring goals
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 03:15:36 AM
Never at any point said give him it full time ....re read if you want, but we have just give near four years to two fucking Muppets with about as much nouse as Sunday league managers neither of whome are exactly winners unless I've been in a coma since Martinez cup run separation season ....so for some to be calling Unsworth after three games is just  shithouse .imho.

He doesn't have the job though. He's a caretaker manager. Since when are caretaker's meant to be there beyond a few games?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: bluenuck on November 03, 2017, 03:18:11 AM
I'm pretty sure we will all know are new manager by this time next week.

Unsworth has done a good job with the situation he's been given, and put in.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 03:18:31 AM
He doesn't have the job though. He's a caretaker manager. Since when are caretaker's meant to be there beyond a few games?
Oh so a knee jerk appointment is what your after ....fair enough then.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Polledreng on November 03, 2017, 03:18:40 AM
We could / should have equalised vs Chelsea so thatís not an issue.

I think vs Leicester and the sub tonight have been overly optimistic decisions - probably due to the fact that heís felt that heís auditioning for the role, rather than just trying to get 2 solid draws.
problem is we couldnt use a solid draw to anything to Night We needed a win and starting without striker was a very very poor decision.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 03:20:52 AM
Oh so a knee jerk appointment is what your after ....fair enough then.

No, what I want is not what we seem to be getting. We should've reached out to people weeks ago, the writing on the wall was there for a long time. Even if it wasn't we should have some targets in mind in case Koeman quit or whatever.

I want planning. This is Unsworth being handed a shitty situation out of the blue, it's an awful situation for a new manager.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Confucius on November 03, 2017, 03:21:36 AM
Has a caretaker ever been fired before the new manager has been appointed?

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 03:26:35 AM
problem is we couldnt use a solid draw to anything to Night We needed a win and starting without striker was a very very poor decision.

Yes but in terms of confidence weíd have been unbeaten in two away games, still with an outside chance of qualifying and some sort of base for Sunday.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 03:28:02 AM
No, what I want is not what we seem to be getting. We should've reached out to people weeks ago, the writing on the wall was there for a long time. Even if it wasn't we should have some targets in mind in case Koeman quit or whatever.

I want planning. This is Unsworth being handed a shitty situation out of the blue, it's an awful situation for a new manager.

Unless someone just leaves Iím always amazed the clubs often donít have someone reasonably quickly lined up.

This was the problem when Moyes left. Despite not signing a new deal we didnít have anyone lined up.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 03:28:08 AM
No, what I want is not what we seem to be getting. We should've reached out to people weeks ago, the writing on the wall was there for a long time. Even if it wasn't we should have some targets in mind in case Koeman quit or whatever.

I want planning. This is Unsworth being handed a shitty situation out of the blue, it's an awful situation for a new manager.
So we agree he still needs more time as do the board to get it right .....not a fucking Allardyce Dyche knee jerk backwards step .
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 03:32:04 AM
So we agree he still needs more time as do the board to get it right .....not a fucking Allardyce Dyche knee jerk backwards step .


I think we probably aren't really capable of a backwards step from here short of deciding we are gonna back goalkeeping obsolete along with goalscoring in our team.

That's not a slight on unsworth I actually think he's done a good job and don't have a problem him getting more games. We are fucked though. Rock bottom. It might not matter who's in charge.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 03:34:44 AM
So we agree he still needs more time as do the board to get it right .....not a fucking Allardyce Dyche knee jerk backwards step .


I think we should get it sorted by the international break or thereabouts. I think that's all the time we can afford.

Do I think it should be a shitty appointment? Nope, but that's up to the board to get it right...but given their history even another couple of months may not improve matters.

Unless Tuchel has flat out turned us down, we should drop a wad of cash on his doorstep and get it done. Beyond that, we should still have targets in mind that have some experience managing in a way we want and who could attract the players we're going to need come January.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 03:36:57 AM
I think we probably aren't really capable of a backwards step from here short of deciding we are gonna back goalkeeping obsolete along with goalscoring in our team.

That's not a slight on unsworth I actually think he's done a good job and don't have a problem him getting more games. We are fucked though. Rock bottom. It might not matter who's in charge.
Imho Allardyce is a big backwards step .
I can't really say the same about Dyche the more i think on it ....but it's not ground-breaking by any stretch.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 03:44:57 AM
Unsworth was placed in an almost impossible position trying to revive a totally inadequate  squad, and the harsh results show he failed comprehensively 3 games to nil. He has to be in charge against Watford though. We need the win but I don't think that necessarily gives him an extension, unless of course the board have a target appointment which they are prepared to wait for. But for how much longer can we risk waiting?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 03, 2017, 03:51:03 AM
Unsworth was placed in an almost impossible position trying to revive a totally inadequate  squad, and the harsh results show he failed comprehensively 3 games to nil. He has to be in charge against Watford though. We need the win but I don't think that necessarily gives him an extension, unless of course the board have a target appointment which they are prepared to wait for. But for how much longer can we risk waiting?
I have no doubts Unworth last game is against Watford, id love for him to go out with a win as he'd deserve it.  It hasn't been easy for him, as it won't for whoever comes in but he's gone about everything in the right way. I only hope he sees that he's not yet ready and the new person in charge keeps him on as his assistant, or at least in the first team squad, providing he wants it.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 03:51:37 AM
@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) for DoF.  Who wants to manage?  I know Brownie is more of a rugby fella, but he also seems like he'd command respect (or crack skulls).

I volunteer for substitutions specialist assistant, and magnet for the peoples' (deserved) abuse!  :D

Hmmmmmm, where would I fit in with this I wonder? Well according to Joey Barton I'm too big to be a coach (but I'd just knock that little cunt's head off). My football tactical knowledge is not up there with the best but I reckon for team morale I'd be able to get the togetherness there (everyone loves a team bonding drinking session that lasts a week don't they?), but then I'd also have them working on their aggression levels. That handbags against Lyon the other week would have looked totally different after two weeks of boot camp with me (we're talking bodybags). So, when do I start?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 04:17:02 AM
I wonít harbour any bad feelings towards unsie at the end of this, and I hope he stays at the club in his previous capacity.

He was lashed into the pit of despair and heís been dignified and made some good decisions. I think Leicester however was really surprisingly bad. Maybe he thought - this puel is a stinker, letís steam roll them.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 04:21:15 AM
Got it spot on tonight.

Opened the game up and was let down by the senior players throwing the towel in when it went to 1-0.

Get the feeling he'll weed out the bad eggs should he stay.

Don't think he's the man we need at the moment though but think he's shown he's got something to offer.

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 04:24:29 AM
I wonít harbour any bad feelings towards unsie at the end of this, and I hope he stays at the club in his previous capacity.

He was lashed into the pit of despair and heís been dignified and made some good decisions. I think Leicester however was really surprisingly bad. Maybe he thought - this puel is a stinker, letís steam roll them.
What was he thinking playing Lennon and Mirrallas,what prem side plays 2wide men away from home,after 20mins you know it's not working yet he did nothing needs to gain experience somewhere other than the U/23s.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: ynotd on November 03, 2017, 04:26:01 AM
Unsworths gotta go down as the worst caretaker since Ian Huntley
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 04:27:01 AM
Unsworths gotta go down as the worst caretaker since Ian Huntley

Hahahahahah

Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 04:27:20 AM
Unsworths gotta go down as the worst caretaker since Ian Huntley
Aye yeah cos he's murdered kids ain't he
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 04:28:09 AM
What was he thinking playing Lennon and Mirrallas,what prem side plays 2wide men away from home,after 20mins you know it's not working yet he did nothing needs to gain experience somewhere other than the U/23s.
You were not one of those saying that we needed width then?
I know I was
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 04:35:37 AM
You were not one of those saying that we needed width then?
I know I was
We need pace,why would you bring in 2players 1who had hardly featured and Lennon who had even less minutes,how many teams go away and set up like that,he should have been solid and defended deeper vardy had a field day 1st half.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 04:47:30 AM
We need pace,why would you bring in 2players 1who had hardly featured and Lennon who had even less minutes,how many teams go away and set up like that,he should have been solid and defended deeper vardy had a field day 1st half.

Everyone in the squad with pace has hardly featured. However, we need goals and we can't rely on the experienced heads at the back to keep team's out.
Mirallas, Lennon, Vlasic, Lookman and Sandro should all be rotating from here on in. 4-3-3 is the only way to get through until January. DCL on his own with a Sigurdsson or Rooney just off him will have us rock bottom by January.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 04:50:53 AM

Everyone in the squad with pace has hardly featured. However, we need goals and we can't rely on the experienced heads at the back to keep team's out.
Mirallas, Lennon, Vlasic, Lookman and Sandro should all be rotating from here on in. 4-3-3 is the only way to get through until January. DCL on his own with a Sigurdsson or Rooney just off him will have us rock bottom by January.
Vlasic ok lookman ok miralles nope Lennon nope and Sandro what the fuck is he.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 04:52:44 AM
Unsworths gotta go down as the worst caretaker since Ian Huntley

Fucking hell!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 04:55:32 AM
Vlasic ok lookman ok miralles nope Lennon nope and Sandro what the fuck is he.

Mirallas and Lennon were our most dangerous players against Leicester, 1st half at least. Like most... they need a run of games and confidence. We can't afford to discount any of our quicker forwards.
Sandro may well be another subject altogether. I think he wants to go home already.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 04:56:37 AM
Unsworth well out of his depth

Sick of all the blue tinted glasses with some of our fans who think you canít criticise Unsworths glaringly obvious failings Ďcause heís one of usí  :shock:

Thank goodness Bill Kenwright is still not in charge or we could have ended up with Unsworth talking us down.

I think itís best if he left the club and got some proper experience as a first team manager if he wants to get a job at the top level
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:00:16 AM
Unsworth well out of his depth

Sick of all the blue tinted glasses with some of our fans who think you canít criticise Unsworths glaringly obvious failings Ďcause heís one of usí  :shock:

Thank goodness Bill Kenwright is still not in charge or we could have ended up with Unsworth talking us down.

I think itís best if he left the club and got some proper experience as a first team manager if he wants to get a job at the top level

It doesn't matter who is in charge of this lot at the moment. They're gone... it's become such an issue trying to score a fucking goal, whilst defending is constantly last ditch. The scary thing is, nothing really can be done for another 2 whole months. Nothing to do with Unsworth.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 05:02:54 AM
Itís got a lot to do with Unsworth as he picks the team, the tactics and trains then players.

Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.

Unsworth is not a leader, heís likeable but not a leader.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:09:23 AM
Itís got a lot to do with Unsworth as he picks the team, the tactics and trains then players.

Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.

Unsworth is not a leader, heís likeable but not a leader.

"Just needs a leader"? How about a striker? Or a decent right back?? Or a £25 million midfielder who doesn't play like Jack Rodwell??? Or decent cover at left back????
Fucking leader my arse......
Quick get Big Munching Cow Fat Sam in!!!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 05:16:26 AM
Same squad was fancied to challenge for top 4

We have good players, just had a bad manager and now a temp manager who is out of his depth

Big sam will turn us around fairly easily
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 05:25:44 AM
Itís got a lot to do with Unsworth as he picks the team, the tactics and trains then players.

Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.

Unsworth is not a leader, heís likeable but not a leader.

We haven't found a way to score reliably since Lukaku left the side.

If your squad is not capable of scoring goals how are they meant to win games? Who out of the current line up has any semblance of consistent scoring ability in the PL?

Rooney? Kind of these days. Sigurdsson can get some goals. That's literally about it.

You could bring in Guardiola and we'd still struggle.

This mess is as much to do with the squad, if not more so, than the manager.

I don't think Unsworth is the answer, but if we had the same team as last year I don't think he'd be doing nearly as poorly.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:28:58 AM
Same squad was fancied to challenge for top 4

We have good players, just had a bad manager and now a temp manager who is out of his depth

Big sam will turn us around fairly easily

Fucking Christopher Samba and Kevin Davies on free transfers.
If Allardyce is in charge of this club, It's honestly the lowest I can remember us being since Mike Walker was about.

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Confucius on November 03, 2017, 06:35:36 AM
HAve to admit, Unsworth is way out of his depth.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 07:32:17 AM
Who would have done better with those 3 away games in a week and a half, and that squad?

Given our league position, league cup we didn't need extra fixtures. Europa league game, we were already out, worst start by an English team in Europa league, toughest game in group.

We had full backs playing out of position, Holgate making a rare start in central defence.

We've rested several first team players and will have a stronger side against Watford which is more important game.

When you appoint a new manager, people are always willing to shout give him time with another mans squad for the first year. Koeman has left a horror scene and 3 games in people are losing their shit about him losing games we'd expect to lose if we were playing well.

The things are there for us to get ourselves out of danger, team building, coaching and identifying a team and system that can get results. We don't have the starting blocks, nobody knows each other and we play like it. But last few games there have been signs of coordination and endeavour from more of the players.

There is a certain amount that Unsworth is maybe not a big enough or familiar name, but that's why he was given no support from board. People like brands and reassurance, guarantees. But any manager would have taken many games to try and get a team out of this collection of strangers.

I still feel there is a chance that we turn up and get a good result against Watford, but I'm not sure the atmosphere is going to be conducive and we've seen how that goes.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 07:49:57 AM
No more out of his depth than Koeman this season. Or Martinez in his last season.

The players have actually looked like they have a clue what they're supposed to be doing. That is, sadly, progress for us right now.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: bluenuck on November 03, 2017, 09:26:34 AM
Unsworth has done a good job. Especially when you look at what he was given and the position the team was in when he took over. Confidence levels were as low as they could go as well.

Anyway, He's done well. But imo he's not the man for the job. He's got one more game win or lose and I'm fairly confident we will announce a new manager early to mid next week.
Hopefully not Sam allardyce.

I hope unsworth stays with the U-23's as well.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 12:10:36 PM
No more out of his depth than Koeman this season. Or Martinez in his last season.



Probably not the best way to support him, given that they both got sacked ... ;)
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 03, 2017, 12:22:17 PM
Itís got a lot to do with Unsworth as he picks the team, the tactics and trains then players.

Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.

Unsworth is not a leader, heís likeable but not a leader.

oh dear god, he is trying to polish a turd, we have no striker worth the name, an unbalanced squad thanks to Koeman and Walsh, he has relied on his U23s and has not been let down by them as much as the so called experienced players.

he may not be ready, yet. but I would demand he was involved with the first team to develop him.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 12:28:37 PM
Not sure how anyone can even suggest that Unsworth has done a good job.

We were totally and utterly clueless against a Leicester side in a similar predicament.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: bluenuck on November 03, 2017, 12:31:31 PM
Not sure how anyone can even suggest that Unsworth has done a good job.

We were totally and utterly clueless against a Leicester side in a similar predicament.

He's done a good job with what he's been given. It's a bit different than he's done a good job.

Unsworth can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Hopefully the new manager can.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 03, 2017, 12:36:37 PM
Was never gonna be an easy task for him, or anyone really. Regardless of what happens against Watford, our best chance of moving forward and changing things around would be appointing a new manager as soon as possible so they have maxium time to settle in during the international break to prepare us for the Palace game

First task has got to be to sort out the organisation of that defence

For Unsworth I hope we just let him work back with the under 23s, I'm sure he will have learned some lessons from this experience
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 12:47:57 PM

Mirallas and Lennon were our most dangerous players against Leicester, 1st half at least. Like most... they need a run of games and confidence. We can't afford to discount any of our quicker forwards.
Sandro may well be another subject altogether. I think he wants to go home already.
Of course they were mate that's why he took them off.Lennon has been average for 3 years mate what are you looking at,and miralles isn't far behind him.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 12:48:48 PM
Must massively regret the overly positive approach at Leicester.

If weíd set out to play the same way in all 3 games so far youíd like to think that weíd be gaining coherence etc ahead of Sunday.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 01:21:24 PM
Of course they were mate that's why he took them off.Lennon has been average for 3 years mate what are you looking at,and miralles isn't far behind him.

So you take them off and replace them with?......
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 02:25:22 PM
Quite a lot of ifs in this thread.

Weíve looked well balanced in patches but weíve still got zero points from three games and shipped seven goals. Not much to write home about.

We need an experienced manager asap
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Hawkandro on November 03, 2017, 02:31:37 PM

So you take them off and replace them with?......

Lookman and Vlasic? Sandro?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:04:32 PM
Lookman and Vlasic? Sandro?

And that's what I've been saying... from here on in we should only go 4-3-3 with the quickest forwards available to us rotating week after week. By rotating I mean from the bench when necessary.
For example, a forward line of Vlasic, Rooney and Mirallas or maybe Lennon coming on for Vlasic, Lookman for Mirallas or Sandro for Rooney in some games. We've got to start pushing teams back to have any chance.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 03, 2017, 05:20:19 PM
Must massively regret the overly positive approach at Leicester.

If weíd set out to play the same way in all 3 games so far youíd like to think that weíd be gaining coherence etc ahead of Sunday.

I agree which is why I dont think hes really ready for this appointment yet. He went to win the game and make a point rather than making sure we didn't lose it. We needed to get back to basics, defend deep, dont give them any space, a 0-0 would have been as good as a win at that point.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 05:33:52 PM
A nice comfy U23 job awaits him, until the next time.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: blue slug on November 03, 2017, 06:20:18 PM
We need a manager who can sure up the defence cos we aint scoring so if we want points we need to stop conceding to give us any chance
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lazarou on November 03, 2017, 07:05:35 PM
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 03, 2017, 07:22:29 PM
I said this before we appointed Unsworth,

He deserved a better team than the one left to him by Koeman, he has a totally lopsided squad, no strikers, slow aging centre backs.. After all the work he's done for the U-23's He deserved a decent fucking squad; so we could judge him fairly.

He's trying to play catch up with out all the correct pieces.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 09:03:14 PM

So you take them off and replace them with?......
I would not replace with anyone because I would not play either.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 09:10:35 PM
If Big Sam comes will he have a team of sidekicks with him or is he a one man band?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on November 03, 2017, 09:12:40 PM
Sidekick Sam - he'll bring a few, if he gets the nod
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 03, 2017, 09:14:07 PM
I said this before we appointed Unsworth,

He deserved a better team than the one left to him by Koeman, he has a totally lopsided squad, no strikers, slow aging centre backs.. After all the work he's done for the U-23's He deserved a decent fucking squad; so we could judge him fairly.

He's trying to play catch up with out all the correct pieces.

But in reality people rarely get sacked cause things are going well so its a bit inevitable, I agree about the squad, but I also think Koeman would have been a bit pissy about not getting a striker or centre back after highlighting the glaring gaps there to the board.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 09:15:47 PM
I can't believe it's not sorted,and Unsworth is taking another game.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 09:19:25 PM
I can't believe it's not sorted,and Unsworth is taking another game.

Can you really not? This is always what's been reported
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
Can you really not? This is always what's been reported
You should be on stage mate that's fucking hilarious.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 09:30:01 PM
You should be on stage mate that's fucking hilarious.

You should be on stage mate that's fucking hilarious.

I wasnt a joke. What's happening is exactly what's been reported from the start. You're just being dramatic
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 09:35:44 PM
I wasnt a joke. What's happening is exactly what's been reported from the start. You're just being dramatic
What dramatic about wanting a manager appointed to sort this mess out?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 09:37:37 PM
The transition to a permanent manager always made sense over the next international break.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 03, 2017, 09:51:18 PM
even if a new manager comes in, what will change? still will have no strikers, and no centre backs.. or players in midfield who are creative
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 10:06:55 PM
We are the talksport topic with Durham for anyone who is interested.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 10:12:50 PM
We are the talksport topic with Durham for anyone who is interested.

All he ever does is slag us off, think i'll swerve it
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 11:10:52 PM
even if a new manager comes in, what will change? still will have no strikers, and no centre backs.. or players in midfield who are creative

Weíve seen when set up that way, that we can defend.

Itís only been naive attempts to force wins when weíre low on confidence that have opened the team up again.

So thatís one thing if a manager, secure in their position (as opposed to either consciously or not, treating it as an open audition) will be prepared to grind results out in order to get some confidence back.

Eg a 0-0 last night would have at least showed that we can sort one end out before worrying about the other.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: ajax_andy on November 04, 2017, 01:55:07 AM
Right man, wrong time.  I think Unsworth taking over say after our next manager leaves and has sorted out the message would be great.  You can see he's trying hard to get something out of the team, it's just too big a job right now for him.

We need a new face in that will rip up the way we play and give a huge confidence boost to the players, get us up the table and then after a season or two if they leave and we are in good health give him the job then.

I think he could do really well for us, just right now isn't the time
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2017, 06:25:46 AM
Illuminating

https://twitter.com/everyteam_mark/status/926577810940022785
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: ally2 on November 04, 2017, 02:13:30 PM
Just wait until Jags is back.  You won't even have to see the ball go back to Pickford for it to be hooofed nowhere
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on November 06, 2017, 02:07:08 AM
Thanks for the three points, but I'm out.

We have nowhere near the organization of his U23 teams. It's way too easy for opponents to find space between our midfield and defensive lines which, in turn, makes it easy for them to create chances. The players' spirit has been restored some and we've been better at creating chances ourselves but "better" still means a weak attack, which isn't good enough considering our continuing defensive frailty.

Whatever the reasons for the decisions he's made -- searching for coherence in an imbalanced squad, trying to do things he doesn't normally do in order to impress the higher-ups -- he's not right for the club at the moment. He has some excellent qualities and he has every chance of being an good manager one day but it's not going to happen for him now. I wish him the best, whatever his next move is (back to the U23s, off to a first-team job elsewhere).

I still wish we would look at Walsh's position first but, since that doesn't seem to be forthcoming, it makes sense to get a steadier hand in over the international break.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 06, 2017, 11:41:09 AM
Thanks for the three points, but I'm out.

We have nowhere near the organization of his U23 teams. It's way too easy for opponents to find space between our midfield and defensive lines which, in turn, makes it easy for them to create chances. The players' spirit has been restored some and we've been better at creating chances ourselves but "better" still means a weak attack, which isn't good enough considering our continuing defensive frailty.

Whatever the reasons for the decisions he's made -- searching for coherence in an imbalanced squad, trying to do things he doesn't normally do in order to impress the higher-ups -- he's not right for the club at the moment. He has some excellent qualities and he has every chance of being an good manager one day but it's not going to happen for him now. I wish him the best, whatever his next move is (back to the U23s, off to a first-team job elsewhere).

I still wish we would look at Walsh's position first but, since that doesn't seem to be forthcoming, it makes sense to get a steadier hand in over the international break.

Just donít understand why the best shape and therefore performance we played (Chelsea second half) wasnít attempted to be repeated?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Polledreng on November 06, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
 
even if a new manager comes in, what will change? still will have no strikers, and no centre backs.. or players in midfield who are creative
we have Got OUMAR NIASSE  :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2017, 11:46:31 AM
Been given a nightmare of a situation to handle. Buzzing he got that win. Think the expectations of him on here have been unrealistic, personally.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 01:37:45 PM
1 win out of 4, time to go back to the kids team or get some real experience of football management elsewhere and prove he is up to the Everton job
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 02:09:56 PM
Just donít understand why the best shape and therefore performance we played (Chelsea second half) wasnít attempted to be repeated?

I didnít see that game but Iíve heard this a few times, what was the set up?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2017, 02:13:45 PM
Just wait until Jags is back.  You won't even have to see the ball go back to Pickford for it to be hooofed nowhere

A Jag's cross-field ball post kick-off is always a winner.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2017, 02:16:23 PM

https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/927273843454038017

https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/927448296288866305

1) As much as I want Rhino to succeed - and I fancied him to do so - these last 4 games have shown we need someone with more experience, at this time.
2) I cannot believe we are still looking at shortlists and are not closing in/about to announce the new manager. This is the ideal time now, with the International break in place.
3) Should we forget about Moshiri's statement appointment then? Looks like it.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 06, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
I didnít see that game but Iíve heard this a few times, what was the set up?

Nothing extraordinary really, but started with a 433 which was solid but isolated the front 3 as the CMs were ďflatĒ.

Second half Davies was pushed forward a bit, so more 4231, and the distances between players was much better and enabled better control of the ball etc. leading to decent open play chances.

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 02:57:23 PM
Nothing extraordinary really, but started with a 433 which was solid but isolated the front 3 as the CMs were ďflatĒ.

Second half Davies was pushed forward a bit, so more 4231, and the distances between players was much better and enabled better control of the ball etc. leading to decent open play chances.



Natural wide players or tucked in? Lookman or anyone on the pitch? Who was up top, Oumar and Dom?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 06, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
I'd like to see Unsworth stay on and support the new manager, as an assistant coach - everyone loves Unsie, and he knows the club inside out, so he would be ideal to have on our management bench, even if a new man brings his entire new staff in. So someone like Tommy Tuchel (and his chosen team of staff, as most of ours really are shit coaches) working with Unsie would be my choice.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jamokachi on November 06, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
The thing with those Jim White tweets.. of course Moshiri/the board are going to say Unsworth is on the shortlist, even if he isn't. It does moral and Unsworth's reputation (remember he has another job at the club that demands respect from the players) no good if they were to come out and say "nah, he doesn't cut the mustard for us". Take it with a huge heap of salt.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 06, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Natural wide players or tucked in? Lookman or anyone on the pitch? Who was up top, Oumar and Dom?

No was Rooney as 9, Lennon right, Mirallas... left.

Subs moved Rooney to 10, DCL to 9 with Davies moving back to where McCarthy had been; and then swapped Lennon for Lookman.

Last 10 mins went two up front with Niasse but we lost control of the game then as the gaps were back between midfield and attack.

One interesting thing is that McCarthy played much better than Gueye has recently which may have influenced the control a bit.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 03:35:55 PM
I'd like to see Unsworth stay on and support the new manager, as an assistant coach - everyone loves Unsie, and he knows the club inside out, so he would be ideal to have on our management bench, even if a new man brings his entire new staff in. So someone like Tommy Tuchel (and his chosen team of staff, as most of ours really are shit coaches) working with Unsie would be my choice.

This is a negative and a positive though, yes Unsie does know loads about the club, players, staff, fans expectations etc. Is this a good thing? Does he know what good looks like, he is also very pally with lots of people at the club that have failed to deliver over numerous years, nearly decades. My own views are that the club needs a big overhaul and getting a fresh pair of eyes a fresh approach with a clear out, almost from top to bottom is whats required. If Moshiri is serious he needs to do a review of all management for the failings at the club, we keep changing managers but certain things remain the same and its that, thats holding us back.
I do think having him on board would be good for the fan base, but in my eyes once the review was done by Moshiri the only connection between Unsie would be the fans as most of the people we has a connection with wouldnt be around.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 06, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
At the moment, I cant fit Rooney, Sig, Schneiderlin or Kev into the squad.

Pickford

Keane ----- Jagielka
Kenny ------------------------------------- Baines

Gana or Banger or McCarthy

Davies
Lennon ------------------------------------- Vlasic

Niasse ----- DCL

Swapping Kenny for Coleman, and adding Bolasie to the rotation of that front 4 when they come in, wouldnt change it either on current form.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 03:38:02 PM
The commentator on the stream I was watching kept saying the appointment of a new manager will be made within days
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 06, 2017, 04:33:40 PM
We dont need to rush into a new manager, Let Unsworth continue temporarily until its sorted, give him a few more games.. i'd give him to the transfer window,

he got the old Everton back :D
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: di_guyo on November 06, 2017, 04:35:52 PM
At the moment, I cant fit Rooney, Sig, Schneiderlin or Kev into the squad.

Pickford

Keane ----- Jagielka
Kenny ------------------------------------- Baines

Gana or Banger or McCarthy

Davies
Lennon ------------------------------------- Vlasic

Niasse ----- DCL

Swapping Kenny for Coleman, and adding Bolasie to the rotation of that front 4 when they come in, wouldnt change it either on current form.

Lookman? Would be the first winger on the sheet for me, based on yesterday and the other cameos he's had. Great turn, awareness and a wonderful ball yesterday....Lennon would never have done that.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 04:56:28 PM
We were lucky to beat Watford who deserved a point from the game. The Unsie team selection was awful with no goal threat, constantly losing the ball and the first half was a complete waste with just one good chance fluffed by Baines. Amazingly Unsie made no changes at half time and Watford punished us with 2 goals. Then Unsie to his great credit dragged off the awful Rooney,  and his subsequent substitutions lifted the crowd and saved the game. He deserves a pat on the back. I would not go as far as extend his tenure in the manager seat. 
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: oztoffee on November 06, 2017, 05:41:24 PM
Why does everyone think that after  four games with the same squad that Unsie can work the miracles that everyone expected? Unrealistic, really!
There is no doubt that the players are playing for him, but by the same token we are woefully short on talent. We lost or gave the ball away so often in one-on-ones that attacks rarely got started or left us short at the back. Even the shit teams push the ball around far quicker than us, especially noticeable on the wings where three or four players from both sides are competing for the ball.......we are very short on the skills necessary to do this successfully and lose out in these situations very frequently.
We have no players...NONE who can do this with any regularity and our buildup play is so predictable that we are easy to contain.
We need a total clearout of the old guard and an influx of good players...not necessarily name players, but ones who will do the job. We've got an awful long way to go.....Unsie never had a chance. He was on a hiding to nothing.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 06:49:14 PM
1 win out of 4, time to go back to the kids team or get some real experience of football management elsewhere and prove he is up to the Everton job
Seriously, who would have done better?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 06:54:44 PM
This is a negative and a positive though, yes Unsie does know loads about the club, players, staff, fans expectations etc. Is this a good thing? Does he know what good looks like, he is also very pally with lots of people at the club that have failed to deliver over numerous years, nearly decades. My own views are that the club needs a big overhaul and getting a fresh pair of eyes a fresh approach with a clear out, almost from top to bottom is whats required. If Moshiri is serious he needs to do a review of all management for the failings at the club, we keep changing managers but certain things remain the same and its that, thats holding us back.
I do think having him on board would be good for the fan base, but in my eyes once the review was done by Moshiri the only connection between Unsie would be the fans as most of the people we has a connection with wouldnt be around.
What the absolute fuck are you on about? Have you noticed how good the U23s are?
Some of our fans have fucking issues. Maybe he is not ready for the first team. Nut getting rid of him altogether? That's an awful shout.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 07:06:09 PM
What the absolute fuck are you on about? Have you noticed how good the U23s are?
Some of our fans have fucking issues. Maybe he is not ready for the first team. Nut getting rid of him altogether? That's an awful shout.

Fail to see the relevance of the under 23s at all, we've invested heavily, more than most, in that area so you'd expect us to be doing decent.
And I dont think I ever said we should be getting rid of him, however, if we got Tuchel or someone comparable in and he said he didnt want Unsworth as he wanted things done this way then so be it. Wouldnt bother me in the least if Unsworth did stay but I dont think keeping him or not is going to have any significant impact on our success over the next 10 years
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 06, 2017, 07:09:24 PM
Seriously, who would have done better?


lol, fucking Mourinho or Pep coudn't have done better, we have a lack of strikers, Least Unsworth knows how to get the best of the strikers, as he's had them in the under 23 set up.

a new manager still would struggle, least Unsworth has brought back the pride/passion side to our game.. which i doubt bringing in some random manager would have been able to bring,.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 07:13:20 PM
This is a negative and a positive though, yes Unsie does know loads about the club, players, staff, fans expectations etc. Is this a good thing? Does he know what good looks like, he is also very pally with lots of people at the club that have failed to deliver over numerous years, nearly decades. My own views are that the club needs a big overhaul and getting a fresh pair of eyes a fresh approach with a clear out, almost from top to bottom is whats required. If Moshiri is serious he needs to do a review of all management for the failings at the club, we keep changing managers but certain things remain the same and its that, thats holding us back.
I do think having him on board would be good for the fan base, but in my eyes once the review was done by Moshiri the only connection between Unsie would be the fans as most of the people we has a connection with wouldnt be around.

so thats not an over reaction? I agree there needs to be a change at the club, and it needs to be from the top, this "nice" image we portray is not helping, we need to start showing a ruthless streak. don't want to play for us? well its the U23s, and fuck your international ambitions.
but some on here are saying DU is not good enough, yet fail to say who would ave done better than him. it does my head in the negativity on here sometimes. we are not good at the moment, it ha happened before, this time we have a chairman who can finance a solution, we hope.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 07:21:30 PM
so thats not an over reaction? I agree there needs to be a change at the club, and it needs to be from the top, this "nice" image we portray is not helping, we need to start showing a ruthless streak. don't want to play for us? well its the U23s, and fuck your international ambitions.
but some on here are saying DU is not good enough, yet fail to say who would ave done better than him. it does my head in the negativity on here sometimes. we are not good at the moment, it ha happened before, this time we have a chairman who can finance a solution, we hope.

I dont think its an over reaction, our problems stemmed from years and years of poor performances from above. Koeman, like Unsworth didnt have much chance with the squad they had, but everything is hypothetical when it comes to who could have done better, whose knows how Stubbs would have got on if he were still in charge? Yes, Unsworth did really well with the U23s, but it is the U23s. And a difference of opinion doesnt always have to be negative, it can just be a difference of opinion? But if we do have a chairman that has the finances to make a change then surely going for the best possible candidate is the best option, and in my opinion Unsworth has done little to justify being that, but clearly you think different, which is fine.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 06, 2017, 07:26:56 PM
For all his obvious flaws as a candidate, winning 1 in 4...Unsy has STILL managed to pull us from the relegation zone.

Without being a corrupt, self-promoting, anti-footballer asshole.

I wouldn't make him permanent manager, but there is absolutely no reason to sell our soul and fall off the floor FFS.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 07:29:21 PM
I dont think its an over reaction, our problems stemmed from years and years of poor performances from above. Koeman, like Unsworth didnt have much chance with the squad they had, but everything is hypothetical when it comes to who could have done better, whose knows how Stubbs would have got on if he were still in charge? Yes, Unsworth did really well with the U23s, but it is the U23s. And a difference of opinion doesnt always have to be negative, it can just be a difference of opinion? But if we do have a chairman that has the finances to make a change then surely going for the best possible candidate is the best option, and in my opinion Unsworth has done little to justify being that, but clearly you think different, which is fine.
ha ha. your fucking joking. Koeman bought and built that side, thats why he got sacked.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 07:32:45 PM
ha ha. your fucking joking. Koeman bought and built that side, thats why he got sacked.

Heh, and that'll be another thing we disagree on, especially considering Walsh has stated that was one of the major reason he was bought in as DoF, for his recruiting background. Makes you wonder what Walsh does do though if you're right, which goes back to my point about the need for an overhaul......
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 07:39:26 PM
Heh, and that'll be another thing we disagree on, especially considering Walsh has stated that was one of the major reason he was bought in as DoF, for his recruiting background. Makes you wonder what Walsh does do though if you're right, which goes back to my point about the need for an overhaul......
Martina was a RK player,as was Siggurdson .if walsh had a hand in this fiasco, then he should go. but to say RK would have struggled as much as DU is a stupid statement. DU had no input in the squad he inherited. there were at least 4 players brought in we didn't need, and the positions we were desperate to cover we never did. that goes from SW and RK right to the top, everyone of them should be accountable.

to even try to bring DU into that fiasco reeks of desperation or lack of common sense.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
Martina was a RK player,as was Siggurdson .if walsh had a hand in this fiasco, then he should go. but to say RK would have struggled as much as DU is a stupid statement. DU had no input in the squad he inherited. there were at least 4 players brought in we didn't need, and the positions we were desperate to cover we never did. that goes from SW and RK right to the top, everyone of them should be accountable.

to even try to bring DU into that fiasco reeks of desperation or lack of common sense.

It isnt, both had no chance given our striking limitations. Believe it or not Koeman did have a plan, the plan revolved around getting a target man, it was a pivotal piece that wasnt ever completed so we'll never no. People go on about Martina like its a big deal, it was a freebie as cover, big deal. Sigurdsson was expensive but he is the best at doing what Koeman wanted, set piece delivery to a target man, which he never got, the rest as they say is history.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 08:01:23 PM
Roll on the hour when we have an appointment and whoever it is we will all get behind him, and put an end to this awful shit we are discussing.. We have an owner with money and a chairman whose heart is in Everton, so whatever they do  for the good of Everton, keep Unsworth or get Mourinho it will not be criticised by me.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 08:06:49 PM
It isnt, both had no chance given our striking limitations. Believe it or not Koeman did have a plan, the plan revolved around getting a target man, it was a pivotal piece that wasnt ever completed so we'll never no. People go on about Martina like its a big deal, it was a freebie as cover, big deal. Sigurdsson was expensive but he is the best at doing what Koeman wanted, set piece delivery to a target man, which he never got, the rest as they say is history.
he put  everything on Giroud, never a good idea, and i would rather pay some cold hard cash for a decent defender, who would then make coleman play for his place, than a cheap and cheerful limited player.  as I said, we spent money on players we didn't need and failed to get those we did. either way. nothing DU could do about that, but RK had the option to change plans before the window shut. no comparison really?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 08:54:59 PM
he put  everything on Giroud, never a good idea, and i would rather pay some cold hard cash for a decent defender, who would then make coleman play for his place, than a cheap and cheerful limited player.  as I said, we spent money on players we didn't need and failed to get those we did. either way. nothing DU could do about that, but RK had the option to change plans before the window shut. no comparison really?

Okay if thats your belief thats fine. Koeman stated he wanted Giroud, but also confirmed the board felt the 2nd, 3rd and 4th options were too expensive (I bet they look cheap now). If you think spending money on a right back to compete when we have 1 of the best in the league/Europe is the correct way forward then who am I to argue with competition for places, but considering they wouldn't fork out for a striker we desperately needed, I think I know what the boards response might have been.

The other points you raised about signing players we dont need kind of back up my point about a complete overhaul, why was this allowed to happen, if true? And I fail to see how Koeman could change his plans before the window shut, name me 1 manager in world football that could change their plans to go into the hardest league in the world without a recognised striker?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 11:36:26 PM
Pleased to find out Unsworth isnít getting the job.

He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 11:58:22 PM
Pleased to find out Unsworth isnít getting the job.

He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 11:58:55 PM

Pleased to find out Unsworth isnít getting the job.

He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
Why?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: boothill on November 07, 2017, 12:44:29 AM
Works with a better class of player in u23s, how many non or lower league managers have become a success ?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 12:48:24 AM
Not fair to say he "failed his trial". I agree he should not be given the job. But how did he fail? Guardiola would not have done much in that space of time with that squad.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 12:49:25 AM
I think heís shown some really impressive signs.

I also think heís not ready for this job and itíd be suicidal on our part.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D15TIN on November 07, 2017, 12:49:51 AM
Pleased to find out Unsworth isn’t getting the job.

He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
his trial consisted of 1 day to prepare for Chelsea away, then trips to Leicester and lyon with a team with 0 confidence, he probably won his only real winnable game.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 12:55:39 AM
his trial consisted of 1 day to prepare for Chelsea away, then trips to Leicester and lyon with a team with 0 confidence, he probably won his only real winnable game.

Would you say those other games were...expected losses?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 01:02:55 AM
Frankly yes, they were expected losses against better sides, and  Realdunc should  pause and take a breath before he launches into "he has failed his trial". Do not get me wrong, I do not want Unsie to get the job, but fairness and a balanced viewpoint would help.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Thomas on November 07, 2017, 06:38:25 AM
I thought his subs vs Watford where sensible, whilst his passion on the touchline is a breath of fresh air.

Jury's out on keeping him in the hot seat though.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 08, 2017, 12:55:00 AM
give Unsworth til Jan, if he;s done well let him spend some dosh, if not, bring in Tuchel or Silva.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Normm on November 08, 2017, 01:31:22 AM
His subs for the Watford match were spot on and his decision to leave out players who have shown a negative attitude in training sessions has shown good ability to take tough managerial decisions.

Take time to watch the post match interviews and no one should doubt the respect those players have for the man. At this moment, I think we should allow him longer and give Unsy and the team our full support. The spirit in the team at the end of the match is something we need to carry forward.

That was an epic show of character and enthusiasm! Kudos to Unsy for helping to inspire the come back and lift morale at the club.
Title: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on November 08, 2017, 01:57:15 AM
Revisit the tactics from the second half of the Chelsea match? Maybe.

Keep chopping and changing? No thanks.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Fynci on November 08, 2017, 03:08:55 AM
give Unsworth til Jan, if he;s done well let him spend some dosh, if not, bring in Tuchel or Silva.

I think we'll limp through to January whoever is in charge of the club. The sad thing is that if it is Unsworth, and he does indeed step back to the U23's in January, then his time at the helm may be viewed poorly. If we're going to give Unsworth a shot then it should be until the end of the season. If we can't do that then we need someone in ASAP, and start judging them at the end of January.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: therealdunc on November 08, 2017, 01:32:47 PM
Works with a better class of player in u23s, how many non or lower league managers have become a success ?

This is simply not true.

Less than 10% of u23 players make it in the football league, this was a stat printed in the guardian.

So o say u23 is a higher standard of player is completely wrong.

Furthermore, there isnít the same pressure or consequences managing a kids team at a big club with plenty of resources Than managing a Real first team where results matter and you have to find the talent and keep them motivated and happy within the confines of a budget.

What Eddie Howe has achieved is far greater than Unsworth.

It shows how far Everton have fallen if David Unsworth is even being considered for the job
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Lincs Toffee on November 08, 2017, 04:19:08 PM
I wouldn't say I would be happy, but more accepting if it was him and Allardyce 'til the end of the season, in the view that we are getting Simeone or similar for a longer term, however my only reservation there would be the type of players bought in the January transfer window, Strikers yes but what calibre ?...hmmm Caroll or Crouch !! The new long term manager wouldn't be buying them, but who really knows what the fuck is going on, we just have to wait and see in the next week or so then we can comment accordingly.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: sirblue57 on November 08, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
This is simply not true.

Less than 10% of u23 players make it in the football league, this was a stat printed in the guardian.

So o say u23 is a higher standard of player is completely wrong.

Furthermore, there isnít the same pressure or consequences managing a kids team at a big club with plenty of resources Than managing a Real first team where results matter and you have to find the talent and keep them motivated and happy within the confines of a budget.

What Eddie Howe has achieved is far greater than Unsworth.

It shows how far Everton have fallen if David Unsworth is even being considered for the job
Some clubs have found promoting from within has been very beneficial. Liverpool . Barcelona. Real...i would say if the DoF is working in tandem with Unsworth, it could work,  maybe even  surpass what we would expect. It's a gamble of course, but so was Martinez and Koeman.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on November 08, 2017, 05:15:39 PM
Would people be feeling differently if the Watford game was Unsworth's first game in charge? (as it should've been if we'd timed the Koeman sacking intelligently). I suspect a fair few people would. But we've ruined his chances by giving him three hard away games to start with. Top stuff by the powers that be.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 08, 2017, 05:22:36 PM
Don't want us to buy anyone in January . Loan only and try and get a tune out of what we have . Unsworth could definitely have us mid table in a couple of weeks and we are still in the FA Cup so the season is far from over . His first 4 games have been uninspiring but I like the fact he has dropped a few and given Baningime , Lookman , Davies , Niasse and Lennon a run . Gave DCL a game off leading the line for 90 mins ( and he scored ) and substituted Rooney when he tired . If Dyche or Allardyce had done the same we would be saying green shoots were appearing . How many times over the years would Moyes have been sacked by now at any other club ? Most on here wanted Martinez gone at the same point Koeman was fucked off . I desperately want Unsworth to be given a chance over offering a contract to Allardyce or Dyche . If they are the only 2 genuine candidates then leave Unsworth where he is for now .
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 08, 2017, 05:24:01 PM
Would people be feeling differently if the Watford game was Unsworth's first game in charge? (as it should've been if we'd timed the Koeman sacking intelligently). I suspect a fair few people would. But we've ruined his chances by giving him three hard away games to start with. Top stuff by the powers that be.

I agree that start was tough but no one would have seriously suggested just letting Koeman carry on because they were expected losses ;)

Personally think that the Chelsea and Lyon games were better for his longer term prospects as they had a balanced team with a clear plan for the opposition and that were coherent with each other.

The league games have been wild in comparison.

Watford was a fluke game (our first ever where we’ve been 0-0 at half time, gone 2 goals down and come back to win).

Wish he’d played the same way (as Chelsea and Lyon) in all 4 games but with just minor tweaks.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: boothill on November 08, 2017, 06:15:02 PM
This is simply not true.

Less than 10% of u23 players make it in the football league, this was a stat printed in the guardian.

So o say u23 is a higher standard of player is completely wrong.


Furthermore, there isnít the same pressure or consequences managing a kids team at a big club with plenty of resources Than managing a Real first team where results matter and you have to find the talent and keep them motivated and happy within the confines of a budget.

What Eddie Howe has achieved is far greater than Unsworth.

It shows how far Everton have fallen if David Unsworth is even being considered for the job
the 10% (if  thats true)of under 23s that make it are of a much higher level than any non or lower league player, and can be trained to a much higher level also.hence thats why we have currently the best under 23 team/squad at the moment. how many others have gone into their 1st teams ?
also there is pressure to attain positive results in all forms of coaching and employment and especially at a competitive enviroment, otherwise there is no point to coach or train.
what has eddie howe actually acheived ? hes kept a team in the league with a league win rate of 35ish%
unsworth league win rate is 66%, cant argue with the stats
and it just shows you how low we've got to be even contemplating, allerdyce, dyche or howe
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 08, 2017, 06:26:00 PM
the 10% (if  thats true)of under 23s that make it are of a much higher level than any non or lower league player, and can be trained to a much higher level also.hence thats why we have currently the best under 23 team/squad at the moment. how many others have gone into their 1st teams ?
also there is pressure to attain positive results in all forms of coaching and employment and especially at a competitive enviroment, otherwise there is no point to coach or train.
what has eddie howe actually acheived ? hes kept a team in the league with a league win rate of 35ish%
unsworth league win rate is 66%, cant argue with the stats
and it just shows you how low we've got to be even contemplating, allerdyce, dyche or howe

Howe was being bandied about as a potential long term successor for Wenger last year. To compare his win % with Unsworth and ask what has he achieved is a bit silly imo. I'm not exactly saying Howe is all that as the media do, little old Bournemouth have spent quite a bit of money. However, he guided them to a top half finish last year, plays attractive football and has had big results against big teams such as United, Chelsea and the like

My worry with Howe is I think a large part of the success is that he has an affinity with that club, having played there for years too. He has had years to understand how they work which  would have helped.

To disregard the achievements of a guy that has took a club on the brink of relegation from the whole football league and took them from League 2 to the Prem and to compare his record with that of Unsworth's is a farce to be honest. To imply that Unsworth is a better option due to his 66% win rate in the premier league (from 3 games) is a wind up.

Are you on a wind up?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 08, 2017, 06:29:19 PM

Wish heíd played the same way (as Chelsea and Lyon) in all 4 games but with just minor tweaks.

To be fair he's still trying to unpick the tactical and squad mess he's been left with. At least he's not failing and making the same mistakes.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: boothill on November 08, 2017, 06:55:05 PM
Howe was being bandied about as a potential long term successor for Wenger last year. To compare his win % with Unsworth and ask what has he achieved is a bit silly imo. I'm not exactly saying Howe is all that as the media do, little old Bournemouth have spent quite a bit of money. However, he guided them to a top half finish last year, plays attractive football and has had big results against big teams such as United, Chelsea and the like

My worry with Howe is I think a large part of the success is that he has an affinity with that club, having played there for years too. He has had years to understand how they work which  would have helped.

To disregard the achievements of a guy that has took a club on the brink of relegation from the whole football league and took them from League 2 to the Prem and to compare his record with that of Unsworth's is a farce to be honest. To imply that Unsworth is a better option due to his 66% win rate in the premier league (from 3 games) is a wind up.

Are you on a wind up?
maybe i was a tad unfair on howe, but i wasnt the one who started presenting percentages, i just gave an answer in this way as that was the structure of the post. but as you say, howe as an affinity with his club, unsworth with mine. to be dismissed simply because a person doesnt like him is ridiculous
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: velimski on November 08, 2017, 07:17:31 PM
Would people be feeling differently if the Watford game was Unsworth's first game in charge? (as it should've been if we'd timed the Koeman sacking intelligently). I suspect a fair few people would. But we've ruined his chances by giving him three hard away games to start with. Top stuff by the powers that be.

There was a reason for bringing in Unsworth when we did - to give us a chance of progressing in the league cup and getting back into the Europa league.  Granted they were tough games, but with Koeman still in charge we were almost certain to lose both games anyway.

Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GLewis on November 08, 2017, 07:59:56 PM
To be fair he's still trying to unpick the tactical and squad mess he's been left with. At least he's not failing and making the same mistakes.

Dont agree.

Heís had some good ideas but heís also got the league selections wrong.

Weíve changed shape from game to game. Heís been forced into big selection / tactical changes in both league games despite having evidence from the previous cup game that there is a decent balance to be had in the squad.

If the problem was sorting out the previous tactical mess then keep things simple and consistent, especially when you donít have many training sessions in between matches.

The best performance bits have been with the best balance to the players available, yet those selections havenít happened all the time.

Donít know whether thatís due to trying to show tactical awareness or what.

I do think his base ideas are sound. Eg we started aggressively vs Watford but the shape was wrong so that dissipated when it became too easy for them to play the ball round the narrow front 3. This was and has been obvious in previous games, so it was a shame that the good underlying idea was squashed by the formation although framework.

If he stays on, I hope that the medium term security allows more confidence to work on a set way of playing with personnel tweaks for each game.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on November 08, 2017, 08:31:26 PM
The starting line-up against Watford was a mess. There's a very good reason we went 2-0 down. They were consistently able to get at our defenders with one medium difficulty (or sometimes easy) pass through the midfield. If Unsworth stays, he needs to stay closer to the 4-3-3/4-4-2 we used in the second half against Chelsea. And that's the version from before we subbed Rooney off. We lost any control we had in that game when we went to 4-4-2 hoof ball with Niasse and Calvert-Lewin.

If Unsworth stays, he also needs to seriously consider putting Gana on the bench. He might be a hard worker, up for the fight, etc. but his overzealous positioning is hurting us right now. Part of the reason it was so easy to pass through our midfield on Sunday is because Gana kept turning up in Baningime's area, leaving big gaps to be worked. And it's subtle, but if you watch Watford's penalty again, he gets sucked towards the wing, where we had the situation under control, opening up space in the middle which they exploited to get the ball into the box. I think he needs to sit until he learns to trust his teammates to do their defensive jobs. I know most of you are probably sick of hearing me complain about him but I do think he's become a genuine defensive liability, however counter-intuitive that seems.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 08, 2017, 09:04:53 PM
He seems like he wanta a high press. That's all well and good but we also have a defence that wants to sit deep so that leaves a big gap between our midfield and the defence which is where the opposition can pick us off easily
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 08, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
The underlying point I was trying to make was that heís chopped and changed in order to find a system and players that work to implement at the start of games. Like Koeman he only seems to Ďget it rightí after half time. Ignoring the Arsenal debacle.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: kramer0 on November 08, 2017, 10:05:26 PM
He seems like he wanta a high press. That's all well and good but we also have a defence that wants to sit deep so that leaves a big gap between our midfield and the defence which is where the opposition can pick us off easily

Yep, very true.

With our slow defenders, we'd be better off with a mid-block press. Give them the ball in their own third, press them when they advance the ball anywhere meaningful.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on November 08, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
Think he'll be given a contract until the end of the season shortly. Any which way you cut it, he's got his players from U23's performing. Replacing him ensures that practically entire squad is demoralised and we're back to square one in terms of getting things going.

This was the decision time and it needs some bravery from Moshiri and board, but I think he's exuded calmness and control and got the team improving and developing, main players couldn't appear much more motivated. And he's not come in and started calling players shit. He gave Mirallas, Schneiderlin and Martina chances to be part of the team and they've not delivered. But both have already signaled that they made a poor decision and want to play for him.

When prep time for games increases from 3 days to a week, and players are more settled, we'll find out much more about what he wants. At the moment, it's trying to work out what he's trying to do and you can't leap a chasm in 2 jumps.

Evenb if we find it doesn't work out in a few months time, we'll have several youngsters who have developed and been given game time. So far players like Davies, DCL, Lookman have looked more confident and ready to deliver and change games.

We don't have endless options and getting the best out of the younger players, with a coach they respect and like, seems the best option. If we could get Guardiola or something then maybe not, but the only interest was from the usual suspects and while others may become more interested and things improve, fuck them, Unsworth was happy to take the world on his back and thanked us for the opportunity, he's a servant to the club, not himself.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Confucius on November 08, 2017, 11:46:03 PM
Would people be feeling differently if the Watford game was Unsworth's first game in charge? (as it should've been if we'd timed the Koeman sacking intelligently). I suspect a fair few people would. But we've ruined his chances by giving him three hard away games to start with. Top stuff by the powers that be.


HAHAHaHA!!!! What a load of tosh. Can't stop laughing at this.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2017, 12:52:26 AM
He's odds on now. Shortest price there's been on anyone on betfair.
I voted for him. I am a little worried that it might be a decision based on sentiment rather than wisdom though.
Wonder if we'd won without the stirring comeback he'd have got less marks for that. We signed rooney blinded by the romance of it. Hope it's not the same with unsworth
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: D15TIN on November 09, 2017, 12:56:10 AM
He's odds on now. Shortest price there's been on anyone on betfair.
I voted for him. I am a little worried that it might be a decision based on sentiment rather than wisdom though.
Wonder if we'd won without the stirring comeback he'd have got less marks for that. We signed rooney blinded by the romance of it. Hope it's not the same with unsworth
As time goes on it looks more and more likely Unsworth until the end of the season or until Jan, think we should see how we get on against Palace now
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 01:03:20 AM
Would that be a win against Palace, he carries on?

Lose, we get someone else? How long would that take? December?

Draw? Stay or go back with the U23's?

A decision has to be made before that game - and stick to it
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on November 12, 2017, 08:56:47 PM
Unsworth is the most impressive English coach not managing a first team prior to taking reins. He's made brave decisions and he's shown a clear direction in how he wants the team to play and develop. For a team drained of confidence when he came in, poor defensively, no goals, he'd lost his first 3 games, we were 2-0 down at home and he didn't falter or panic, and things came good. Maybe some luck with keeper, but Lennon non penalty and few other moments that could have gone differently in other games before then.

We look more stable at the back, and pose much more of a threat going forward. Now he has a week to get players together for coaching and team building. 4 games in 13 days was a baptism of fire, first 3 away against very good opposition.

Struggling to work out why it's taking so long to sort. Wonder if someone like Hiddink, Van Gaal, or Ancelotti is interested.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 12, 2017, 09:23:02 PM
It's taking so long because Unsie is not their first choice. If things don't pan out as they hope, he may become the only choice.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on November 12, 2017, 09:29:29 PM
I don't think we'll have a more suitable youth manager in next decade, and I don't think there's ever been a more suitable time.

I can understand fear and caution, but he needs a contract to have the stability, so every game isn't a matter of life or death.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: everton1952 on November 12, 2017, 09:41:09 PM
If a new manager comes soon and loses a couple of games "he is finding his feet", if Unsie loses 2 more games in the near future, panic will set in and the board's judgment doubted.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on November 17, 2017, 06:13:52 AM
I'm hopeful after we beat Palace, he'll get the contract until the end of the season now.

Surely, we're running out of barrels to scrape.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 17, 2017, 06:20:15 AM
Always said I was interested to see what he could do, also said I wanted him to succeed but was worried it was too soon

Have to say I'm more worried that there is any truth in the royle picking the sides story tbh. Royle should be no where near picking a prem xi

If it's not royle then the worry would be unsworth seems to have written players off very quickly and every game we have gone two nil down
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on November 17, 2017, 06:44:55 AM
All the speculation is because of the lack of clarity over the manager position, it raises questions, provides no answers.

If we'd just given the job to Unsworth in the first place, fans would have a much better opinion of him. After giving him 4 games to try and turn it around, you need to make a decision shortly after the 4th game and again we decided to look about.

Managers want big contracts not just for the money, but also to protect their position. When it's vulnerable, there is no stability and any manager would struggle to retain authority. It's a lack of respect and that transmits to players, fans and media.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on November 17, 2017, 12:12:10 PM

HAHAHaHA!!!! What a load of tosh. Can't stop laughing at this.

No mate. Sacking a manager at a specific time to give the caretaker/new manager the best possible chance to start well (ie more winnable games) is genuinely a thing. That's not even an opinion or one side of a debate. It's something that happens all the time, and something that boards consider.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 17, 2017, 12:44:06 PM
I'm hopeful after we beat Palace, he'll get the contract until the end of the season now.

Surely, we're running out of barrels to scrape.
I think after we lose to Palace, heíll be out the picture.

Can then see us going for Dyche.

Happy to be proven wrong and itís all about opinions bud!
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Waltzer on November 17, 2017, 01:56:31 PM
Unsworth is the most impressive English coach not managing a first team prior to taking reins. He's made brave decisions and he's shown a clear direction in how he wants the team to play and develop. For a team drained of confidence when he came in, poor defensively, no goals, he'd lost his first 3 games, we were 2-0 down at home and he didn't falter or panic, and things came good. Maybe some luck with keeper, but Lennon non penalty and few other moments that could have gone differently in other games before then.

We look more stable at the back, and pose much more of a threat going forward. Now he has a week to get players together for coaching and team building. 4 games in 13 days was a baptism of fire, first 3 away against very good opposition.


What is that statement based on about Unsie being the best English coach out there? Forgive my ignorance I dont follow English coaches a great deal, I know he did okay with the under 23s but not much else?

And we've conceded 9 goals in the 4 games in charge, I suppose its open to interpretation but that doesnt strike me as being more stable?
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Confucius on November 17, 2017, 10:35:15 PM
No mate. Sacking a manager at a specific time to give the caretaker/new manager the best possible chance to start well (ie more winnable games) is genuinely a thing. That's not even an opinion or one side of a debate. It's something that happens all the time, and something that boards consider.

You wanted him sacked for so long and then complain we didn't keep him longer to give Unsworth a chance. Again, what a load of tosh.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Bluedylan on November 17, 2017, 10:36:45 PM
You wanted him sacked for so long and then complain we didn't keep him longer to give Unsworth a chance. Again, what a load of tosh.

You know that's not what I'm saying, but you're being a knob deliberately. Jog on mate.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Confucius on November 17, 2017, 10:40:35 PM
You know that's not what I'm saying, but you're being a knob deliberately. Jog on mate.

No, I don't know what you saying. Sounds like you looking for excuses for Unsworth.
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on November 17, 2017, 11:24:25 PM
What is that statement based on about Unsie being the best English coach out there? Forgive my ignorance I dont follow English coaches a great deal, I know he did okay with the under 23s but not much else?

And we've conceded 9 goals in the 4 games in charge, I suppose its open to interpretation but that doesnt strike me as being more stable?

I was meaning, those not in senior management in PL or Championship. While U23s is a poor standard and none of the players are good enough to become real footballers, he did ok. He managed to win a few games and finished quite a few places off the bottom of the league.

Any half decent manager would be able to come in, wave his wand and turn us back into challenging for europe in first 10 days, not wait until first home league game. If we can't beat shit teams like Chelsea, Lyon in cup games and Leicester away, any new manager deserves to be sacked, things should go from shit to great overnight, they would be on course to win Europa league and competing for CL by now.

Koeman couldn't get team playing or turn it around in 20 games, despite his experience in management, but that's because of Steve Walsh spending £140m and not buying any good players. But those players have since become great again and we just need a big name manager, knows what it takes, who lots of people in media rate etc.