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Title: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Everton News on October 31, 2017, 12:24:40 AM
Allardyce open to Everton talks

Former England boss Sam Allardyce says he would consider the job of Everton manager, but has not been contacted yet.

Source: Allardyce open to Everton talks (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/10/allardyce-open-everton-talks/)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Cozzie on October 31, 2017, 12:27:24 AM
Aye, he is.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Coyb12 on October 31, 2017, 12:32:26 AM
Best man for the job.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 31, 2017, 12:33:03 AM
Fuck off with the Allardyce shouts. 🤣
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 31, 2017, 12:44:21 AM
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: D15TIN on October 31, 2017, 12:50:41 AM
I bet he is.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Coyb12 on October 31, 2017, 12:53:07 AM
Short talk....hi Sam do you want the job..yes.Interview over.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 31, 2017, 12:54:37 AM
Donít call us Sam, weíll call you.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 12:56:39 AM
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ramjam on October 31, 2017, 12:59:12 AM
Just give me the same contract that mutton face was on, that will top up my retirement fund nicely
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Coyb12 on October 31, 2017, 01:00:01 AM
Donít call us Sam, weíll call you.
And we will.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 31, 2017, 01:01:44 AM
Would like to think the club is better than going for firefighter.

Remember when Spurs looked like right fodder under Ramos and they brought in Redknapp. Not to firefight but to drive them to top 6 at the very least. Thatís what Iíd like.

Edit: not Redknapp though 🤘
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 01:03:49 AM
6/4 fav he is now

Fuck off
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 01:09:47 AM
Sooner we went for benitez than fat fuck, and i hate him
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Coyb12 on October 31, 2017, 01:14:18 AM
Sooner we went for benitez than fat fuck, and i hate him
I would rather stick a red hot poker in my eye than see that fat Spanish twat ever manage Everton.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 31, 2017, 01:15:20 AM
6/4 fav he is now

Fuck off

They just do this when there's lots of bets on it though to protect themselves (the bookies)

Doesn't necessarily mean he's coming here

I do think Sam sees himself as more than just a relegation escape master, he's clearly got a bigger ego than that!

It's hard not to imagine him just coming here and making us a team of cloggers, but I think he sees himself as a bit of a revolutionary manager

I know he places a lot of faith in modern technology and sport science, well he did that at Bolton anyways

Hard not to see the fans totally hating him if he did get the job
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 01:15:45 AM
I would rather stick a red hot poker in my eye than see that fat Spanish twat ever manage Everton.
Please, feel free
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Heisenberg on October 31, 2017, 01:16:21 AM
I give up if we get allardyce. No ambition at all in that
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Coyb12 on October 31, 2017, 01:17:58 AM
Please, feel free
If you are going to put a comma in follow it with a full stop.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 31, 2017, 01:19:59 AM
Just to remind everyone that we did sign a manager that actually got a team relegated weeks before, then we finished 5th, so it's not all bad.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GLewis on October 31, 2017, 01:20:40 AM
Just to remind everyone that we did sign a manager that actually got a team relegated weeks before, then we finished 5th, so it's not all bad.



With Lukaku ;)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 31, 2017, 01:22:43 AM
With Lukaku ;)

Haha true, but he also got sacked with Lukaku.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 01:24:15 AM
Struggling to understand why any Everton fan would want him here
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 01:29:53 AM
Fat sam 2/1 ladbrokes  5/4 william hill 😭😭😭😭
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: wilbur on October 31, 2017, 01:31:46 AM
I went to my first game in 1964 and Iíve not missed too many since 1980 but Iíd seriously think about packing it in if Allardyce was appointed manager.

Iíd rather have Mike Walker back.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 01:37:35 AM
Corrupt, greedy, obnoxious, unimaginative, clogger . No thankyou fatso.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Cozzie on October 31, 2017, 01:38:40 AM
The thing with Allardyce is, he is renowned for keeping teams up.

It would literally be the most Everton thing ever if we where the first team he couldn't keep up.

Can't stand the fat headed corrupt twat at all. Hate him even more in his interviews, he just rambles on about nothing and he has not got the first clue about tactics at all, he speaks like a 5 year old who has just finished using his subbuteo set.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GoodisonPk on October 31, 2017, 01:41:34 AM
No way. We wouldn't have got him to replace Moyes when we had no money. Why would we get him now that we have plenty?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on October 31, 2017, 01:44:39 AM
This would be a small time move ....for a shite club. ..give Unsy a few more games  it will come good. ...if he mans up a bit.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 31, 2017, 01:45:28 AM
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 01:56:45 AM
Please, feel free
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If you are going to put a comma in follow it with a full stop.
please,.feel free. That doesn't seem at all correct though
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: dunkster on October 31, 2017, 02:04:23 AM
Please god....Nooooooooo
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Danny on October 31, 2017, 02:22:49 AM
The reaction in this thread is why they basically can't hire him, we'd have fans who would want to protest before his first game in charge.

For what it's worth I think he'd do really well with us, if they get him though it would have to be a 2 year deal and nothing more, keep us up, see how we get on the year after and then he either leaves for cheap or retires.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 02:26:41 AM
Remember when he said he'd win everything if he was manager of Real or Inter lolol
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 31, 2017, 02:26:52 AM
Heard all this when we signed Martinez, and when we signed Rooney. You won't stop going the game or stop supporting the team, if you do then you're a shit fan.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: angus1878 on October 31, 2017, 02:30:47 AM
my grandad used to joke, (tongue in cheek) if we lost that weekend... that we were that bad we were looking at sam allardyce for manager !!!

god i honestly have shivvers....we are soon to be one of them shitty clubs who are fighting relegation....what a bitter pill !
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: velimski on October 31, 2017, 02:58:47 AM
The longer we stay in the relegation zone the more appealing appointing Allardyce looks.

I would have shot myself for thinking this way a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 31, 2017, 03:00:19 AM
The longer we stay in the relegation zone the more appealing appointing Allardyce looks.

I would have shot myself for thinking this way a few weeks ago.

I will still shoot myself hah
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blue slug on October 31, 2017, 03:05:16 AM
I would rather swallow my pride and stay up with Sam the fat headed twat in charge than us get relegated appointing a fancy named foreign manager with no premier league experience
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Shogun on October 31, 2017, 03:07:03 AM
I'd rather have a proper long term ambition than end up stuck with Allardyce for four years winning fuck all and basically going back to the Moyes days.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Simon Paul on October 31, 2017, 03:09:54 AM
We had a boring manager, and everyone was bored

We got an exciting manager and everyone hated him because we lost a lot

Then we got a "world class manager" and he was shit

Now we want a bore again.

Screw ambition, let's just survive. 

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: toffee_scot on October 31, 2017, 03:10:30 AM
At the moment I am saying 'no fucking way' should we appoint Allardyce because despite our predicament, I have some hope that the board have a long term vision for the club which involves us competing at the very top of the table again and a large part of me is hoping and praying that Unsworth finds a winning formula quickly.

However, I may very well be coming back to this post some time just before Christmas, let's see how I feel then.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2017, 03:11:11 AM
Heard all this when we signed Martinez, and when we signed Rooney. You won't stop going the game or stop supporting the team, if you do then you're a shit fan.

I'd genuinely jib it if we got big Sam.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Confucius on October 31, 2017, 03:11:58 AM
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Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 31, 2017, 03:15:45 AM
Not gonna lie, it does feel kind of nice that he fucked previous PL champions off and wasn't interested in that job, yet he'd love to come to us.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Simon Paul on October 31, 2017, 03:17:55 AM
Not gonna lie, it does feel kind of nice that he fucked previous PL champions off and wasn't interested in that job, yet he'd love to come to us.

because he knows he can't match their recent highs

probably reckons he could drag us to at least 10th and get a wall named after him by Bill, though
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 31, 2017, 03:20:50 AM
because he knows he can't match their recent highs

probably reckons he could drag us to at least 10th and get a wall named after him by Bill, though

What he was saying was a bit weird though, it was if he just wants to come in, save us from relegation, then fuck off (with a fat bonus). I'd be quite happy with that.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Simon Paul on October 31, 2017, 03:24:18 AM
What he was saying was a bit weird though, it was if he just wants to come in, save us from relegation, then fuck off (with a fat bonus). I'd be quite happy with that.

yeah but then once he's "saved us from relegation" then the fans scream blue murder if he's not kept on, because obviously doing that means that in the space of a summer he can make us World Cup winners so should be paid a billion pounds a week to do so.

then he turns to shit and we sack him.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Rhys on October 31, 2017, 04:23:08 AM
Struggling to tell from the reaction in this thread if he would be a popular choice, might need a poll to confirm...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 31, 2017, 05:05:17 AM
I will still shoot myself hah

Would you shoot me and Gary Neville first please?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 31, 2017, 07:34:55 AM
It's not a new manager that worries me it's the state the squad is in confidence wise, it's like they're in a state of PTSD at the moment, i'd take them all somewhere sunny on the lash next international break, try and wipe their brains of the trauma a la koeman.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 31, 2017, 01:42:14 PM
I'm worried about Fat head Sam because he's never been relegated. You know that Everton trend of:
A player never scored then does against us.
A team not won home/away but they beat us.
If something has never happened before, bet on us to break that trend.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 02:24:13 PM
Struggling to tell from the reaction in this thread if he would be a popular choice, might need a poll to confirm...

Id guess he will become the most unpopular manager we've ever had
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 02:34:39 PM
Ask Newcastle fans for a reference -

"You don't know what you're doing" circa 2008
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 02:39:11 PM
Ask Newcastle fans for a reference -

"You don't know what you're doing" circa 2008

The majority of West Ham fans hated him
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 02:45:52 PM
The majority of West Ham fans hated him
Theyíd have him back now though
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: sam of the south on October 31, 2017, 03:03:11 PM
Donít call us Sam, weíll call you.

You can call me that, though
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: van der Meyde on October 31, 2017, 03:06:09 PM
Quite like Allardyce, but Christ. He's never what I'd choose as our manager.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GLewis on October 31, 2017, 03:33:06 PM
At both SíLand and Palace, Allardyce took quite a while to get them going.

In both instances he was saved by unlikely results. In thr first instance, they played us in Martinezís last game, probably the easiest fixture ever.

At Palace they won at Anfield and Chelsea plus also beat Arsenal at Home.

They then went pretty rubbish again.

He wouldnít last 6 games here if results humbled along in the short term.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 31, 2017, 03:44:32 PM
In his own way I quite like Big Sam and you have to balance his achievements with the resources at his disposal. In that context I think he did well. However, he's not the future for us.
I'm also open to talks with Everton and they haven't contacted me either which suggests they are still thinking.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: therealdunc on October 31, 2017, 04:53:41 PM
The 2 years big Sam ever had resources where his final 2 years at Bolton and they where a good team who played good football.

No issue with big Sam becoming manager, I reckon he knows it will be his last job and will give everything to try and win something for us.

A better option than Sean Dyche or Phil Neville .

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ross on October 31, 2017, 04:54:29 PM
Oh fuck itís on!



https://twitter.com/theesk/status/925132900936355841
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
Did a decent job at Bolton, 112 years ago. Fuck him though, I'd also genuinely knock it on the head. No way Moshiri's appointing Allardyce though, so I'm not worried.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 05:28:56 PM
Did a decent job at Bolton, 112 years ago. Fuck him though, I'd also genuinely knock it on the head. No way Moshiri's appointing Allardyce though, so I'm not worried.

Couldn't of said it better myself.

I've said this more than once, I'm truly amazed at why any Everton fan would want him anywhere near our club, he's done fuck all in every job, Sunderland and Palace are his level, he went up a level when he got the Newcastle job (yes I know they've been relegated twice) and fucked that up, he did the same at West Ham, then got his big chance with England and fucked that up as well, the man is an absolute joke.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Lxxx on October 31, 2017, 05:29:35 PM
Would like to think the club is better than going for firefighter.

Remember when Spurs looked like right fodder under Ramos and they brought in Redknapp. Not to firefight but to drive them to top 6 at the very least. Thatís what Iíd like.

Edit: not Redknapp though 🤘

Have to disagree. Redknapp's past record didn't give any indication he would do anything other than steady the ship. Then Gareth Bale came along, he fired up the club in a way Harry Kane is doing now and he rode the crest of that wave with some astute signings.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 06:18:07 PM
That WRD1878 has just posted this on TEF

Meeting in Canary Wharf today by all accounts. Sam wanting 3 years, the board only willing to give 18 month contract. Allardyce wants to bring 15 members of his team, mainly sports science. The board are very worried about going down at the moment.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: velimski on October 31, 2017, 06:33:18 PM
Could we not offer him a contract with a clause stipulating that once he's got us to 40 points, his contract is automatically terminated?

 
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mac934 on October 31, 2017, 06:34:59 PM
Sounds like a lot of baggage there!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2017, 06:35:06 PM
That WRD1878 has just posted this on TEF

Meeting in Canary Wharf today by all accounts. Sam wanting 3 years, the board only willing to give 18 month contract. Allardyce wants to bring 15 members of his team, mainly sports science. The board are very worried about going down at the moment.

Concerning
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:24:58 PM
18 months is sensible thinking

And that's when Silva's contract expires!

(15 members? Little Sammy? Shakespeare? Nolan?)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Lxxx on October 31, 2017, 07:33:28 PM
That WRD1878 has just posted this on TEF

Meeting in Canary Wharf today by all accounts. Sam wanting 3 years, the board only willing to give 18 month contract. Allardyce wants to bring 15 members of his team, mainly sports science. The board are very worried about going down at the moment.

How can he have a team, he's unemployed. Are all these lads just sat around waiting to jump on the next Allardyce job or are they otherwise employed waiting to jump ship for another payday.

Tell him he's got Duncan Ferguson, John Ebbrell and Franny Jeffers and that's your lot.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 31, 2017, 07:36:43 PM
How can he have a team, he's unemployed. Are all these lads just sat around waiting to jump on the next Allardyce job or are they otherwise employed waiting to jump ship for another payday.

Yes they'll be sat around living off the little 'side projects' Sam gets them involved with  :whistle:
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:37:17 PM
Considering, also, that he stated he had retired from club management

Thought he was after the USA job - Uncle Sam, indeed
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: sam of the south on October 31, 2017, 07:38:11 PM
How can he have a team, he's unemployed. Are all these lads just sat around waiting to jump on the next Allardyce job or are they otherwise employed waiting to jump ship for another payday.

Tell him he's got Duncan Ferguson, John Ebbrell and Franny Jeffers and that's your lot.

Yeah, like the A-Team.

"No way am I gittin on no plane, Sam!"

"Relax, B.A., this team ain't getting into Europe again for a looong time."
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 07:40:54 PM
I wonder if Sammy Lee is still part of his team?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:42:04 PM
He will be
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blueToffee on October 31, 2017, 07:42:05 PM
How can he have a team, he's unemployed. Are all these lads just sat around waiting to jump on the next Allardyce job or are they otherwise employed waiting to jump ship for another payday.

Tell him he's got Duncan Ferguson, John Ebbrell and Franny Jeffers and that's your lot.

I'd imagine the money they make from him being in PL jobs is far higher than anything else, so probably the support staff do to an extent wait around for him or drop what they're doing when he does get another job.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2017, 07:47:12 PM
Save me £70 a month if this happens
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:49:55 PM
Would you rather have Koeman?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: formerKHL on October 31, 2017, 07:55:32 PM
Firstly..I wouldn't want allardyce here also...

On a side note some of the comments on here about him are way off the mark re not having any tactical nouse etc...he is very forward thinking is our sam...and if you ever get the chance to really listen to him talk football you'll understand what i'm saying...I've had a few dealings with him and he's really a very nice man who knows his stuff.....

I coincidentally met him in Lagos Portugal.. I was on jollies and west Ham had booked into the same hotel whilst on pre season there....he actually recognised me of old and came over for a chat that lasted a couple of hours introduced me to some of his coaching staff and had a couple of shandies....

The problem we have no matter who gets it is simple...WE HAVEN'T GOT A CENTRE FORWARD OF ANY STANDING !!  WE'RE GONNA STRUGGLE UNTIL THIS IS SORTED...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 31, 2017, 07:55:45 PM
I'd kiss Moyes feet and ginger arse if this is truly the alternative.

/hangs self
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2017, 09:37:45 PM
Would you rather have Koeman?

Yes
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: sixymack on October 31, 2017, 10:02:57 PM
NO thanks
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Django on October 31, 2017, 10:29:51 PM
I will honestly give up if we get him in. Seriously.

This would be reverting back to pre-Moyes era shit.

Lord give me strength. What has become of us??
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 31, 2017, 10:35:56 PM
I will honestly give up if we get him in. Seriously.

This would be reverting back to pre-Moyes era shit.

Lord give me strength. What has become of us??

Give me a name out of the Liverpool phone book.  Christ, give me a name out of the Raleigh, NC phone book.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 31, 2017, 10:37:37 PM
I was working in the lab late one night.........
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Lincs Toffee on October 31, 2017, 10:38:03 PM
Lads we are cannon fodder for every other team in the league at present, I hate the thought of him coming here, but I hate the thought of playing in the championship more...I really have no idea who can save us, but I think he if anyone could if given the chance, but I certainly wouldn't want him hanging around after this season.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Django on October 31, 2017, 10:38:20 PM
Give me a name out of the Liverpool phone book.  Christ, give me a name out of the Raleigh, NC phone book.

Exactly.

I'd be all for getting big sam in if it was mid march and we were in the bottom 3.

We're 10 games in! We've played all the top teams. Yes we're playing terrible but Unsworth has to be given more time to implement a style of play before we jump the gun and get that fat fraudulent fuck in.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 31, 2017, 10:44:10 PM
Yes, I am not willing to trade our good name and honour in on 31 Oct, FFS.  No matter how concerned I am.  There are dozens of football managers who could lead Everton to fucking SAFETY, now be a leader damn it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ross on October 31, 2017, 10:48:39 PM
Lads we are cannon fodder for every other team in the league at present, I hate the thought of him coming here, but I hate the thought of playing in the championship more...I really have no idea who can save us, but I think he if anyone could if given the chance, but I certainly wouldn't want him hanging around after this season.

The season is barley a quarter done, thereís 84 points still up for grabs. Worse case is we need 30-35 points from the remaining 3/4ís of the season whoeverís in charge. But itís not like weíre cut a drift here with a few games to save ourselves. Thereís plenty to play for and we simply need to get some organisation instilled and roll up our selves and weíll start climbing the table.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 10:48:40 PM
I bet Allardyce doesn't give the trick or treaters any sweets, fat cunt eats them all himself
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Brownie20 on November 01, 2017, 12:11:30 AM
That WRD1878 has just posted this on TEF

Meeting in Canary Wharf today by all accounts. Sam wanting 3 years, the board only willing to give 18 month contract. Allardyce wants to bring 15 members of his team, mainly sports science. The board are very worried about going down at the moment.

I take him with a pinch of salt. Nothing he posted last year was any different to what was appearing in the press.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheTone on November 01, 2017, 01:00:30 AM
Is he really that fat or just big boned?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 01:17:11 AM
Is he really that fat or just big boned?
He's not called big Sam because of his weight.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheTone on November 01, 2017, 01:19:01 AM
He's not called big Sam because of his weight.

I've read a few saying fat Sam, doesn't seem that fat to me like
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 01:35:11 AM
he can go fuck himself with his bag full of dodgy cash.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 01:52:33 AM
Fireman Sam - to the rescue!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 01, 2017, 02:40:11 AM
He would ensure the club goes back 5 years.  And be a hero if he keeps us up. We don't "need" him.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 01, 2017, 02:59:37 AM
He would ensure the club goes back 5 years.  And be a hero if he keeps us up. We don't "need" him.


5 years ago you say? When we used to finish above Liverpool, just behind Spurs and challenge for top 4?
Sign him up then!!!


People seem to think the club has actually improved since Moyes left?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: sharpy1878 on November 01, 2017, 03:00:56 AM
Is this bullshit?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 03:02:08 AM
Is this bullshit?
Word for Word what wrd said ha
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 01, 2017, 03:05:08 AM
Word for Word what wrd said ha

Yep
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 03:08:52 AM
Yep
Coincidenctally he said peel will exchange with Everton for the ground next week
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 01, 2017, 03:23:08 AM
Allardyce was sacked in the January of his first full season at Newcastle when they were mid-table so new owner Mike Ashley could bring back Keegan and curry favour with the fans.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: kramer0 on November 01, 2017, 03:35:41 AM
Would be so Moshiri/Kenwright to piss away another fuck ton of money doing something panicky.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Normm on November 01, 2017, 03:39:43 AM
It's too early to panic. Patience required ...see how we are after the next two games.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 03:46:03 AM
It's too early to panic. Patience required ...see how we are after the next two games.
Minimum ^^^^ this^^^^
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Coyb12 on November 01, 2017, 03:53:45 AM
It's too early to panic. Patience required ...see how we are after the next two games.
Have you watched the last 4 league games.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 04:10:11 AM
Have you watched the last 4 league games.
Only one of them league games was without the Koeman monkey on our backs.
Have a cup of tea and cheer up ....nobody gets relagated till May .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Coyb12 on November 01, 2017, 04:15:50 AM
Only one of them league games was without the Koeman monkey on our backs.
Have a cup of tea and cheer up ....nobody gets relagated till May .
We look just as bad on Sunday if not worse, Unsworth is way out of his depth,how many teams when they sack there manager DONT get a reaction  not many we are one.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 05:00:52 AM
We look just as bad on Sunday if not worse, Unsworth is way out of his depth,how many teams when they sack there manager DONT get a reaction  not many we are one.
We do still look toothless ....but again we went down to one good counter attack and a fucking poor own goal ...then had all the possesion second half and more chances although wayward ....the tide is already turning, to call him out of his depth already is way short sighted imho. ..but the knee jerk crew have lost their shit allready .

Two wins take us mid table ish ...people need to calm down ...or see a specialist .😅if we get to march in the same shit i will also be panicking and lose my shit . ..but im gonna enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 05:26:36 AM
This job will kill him.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Brownie20 on November 01, 2017, 06:30:14 AM
The Sun has WRD1878's story almost word for word. Reading the forums to get their stories?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 01, 2017, 01:20:04 PM
Coincidenctally he said peel will exchange with Everton for the ground next week


He's normally spot on isn't he
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 01:31:52 PM
He's normally spot on isn't he
Not normally far off tbf
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 01, 2017, 01:43:41 PM
He's looking to make a killing from us when we don't need to pay for this corrupt weapon head twat. We're panicking and need to see that we are nowhere near being relegated with 28, that's right, 20 fucking 8 games left... don't want this man to sully our club more than it already has with the last 2 clowns.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 01, 2017, 01:44:21 PM
One of the worst type of shouts that I seem to see a lot when anyone is linked with Allardyce is

'If his name was Samuele Allardyco and he was from Italy then loads of fans would want him'

Ooh yeah, never won a trophy but he kept up Chievo, Perugia, Bari, Cagliari and Brescia, before being Italy manager for one match before getting sacked for Corruption

Count me in!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 01, 2017, 01:52:31 PM
I've always said that if only his name was Allardicci, then it would be all the Italian football fans calling him a useless cunt.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Brownie20 on November 01, 2017, 01:57:06 PM
Appointing Allardyce would go against everything we stand for as a club. He's been caught red handed at being a dodgy crook and forced to resign as England manager. Is this the sort of person we want managing our great club? We've seen over the last few years the integrity we have with all the good things EITC and others have done. It may sound dramatic but I would feel let down if we appointed him
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: nsno on November 01, 2017, 02:10:44 PM
I went to my first game in 1964 and Iíve not missed too many since 1980 but Iíd seriously think about packing it in if Allardyce was appointed manager.

Iíd rather have Mike Walker back
Fuck off, Mike Walker Ffs 👨‍👨‍👦‍👦😂😂😂 You obviously didn't go to many games in 1994!!!!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 01, 2017, 02:51:11 PM
Look what someone did

https://twitter.com/calgary_blue/status/925363999478251520

Do you want this, DO YOU!?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 02:55:54 PM
He's after a lucrative retirement pay day, one last hurrah - he can smell the blood of desperation (who can blame him?)

Don't fall for it, Farhad
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Gary1878 on November 01, 2017, 03:02:08 PM
Surely this can't happen. Sean Dyche is a better option than this. However, I would rather see us go for an ambitious long term option than a short term fix, so someone like Tuchel or Anchelotti.

If we are going short term fix, then give Unsworth the job until Xmas. Lets just see how he does against Watford at home. With the crowd supporting the team and some passion, hopefully we will get one goal off of Rooney's arsecheek and sneak a 1-0 win.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 01, 2017, 03:10:06 PM
If we are really in the shit and we need saving, then Allardyce probably makes more sense than Dyche, as he's got a track record of saving clubs from the drop, Dyche is a bigger risk.
Also, if he come in and said to the board "listen, I only want to come here till the end of the season, save you from the drop and fuck off with a nice big bonus", I'd probably be all for that. We could then look at proper replacements after the end of the season when we can look for a manager who actually wants to take us forward, not just save us.
He can't take the club to where it wants to be, but he can help us out of this situation we find ourselves in, if he's digging his heels in for any longer than a 6 -8 month contract then we should move on.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 01, 2017, 03:42:10 PM
Surely this can't happen. Sean Dyche is a better option than this. However, I would rather see us go for an ambitious long term option than a short term fix, so someone like Tuchel or Anchelotti.

If we are going short term fix, then give Unsworth the job until Xmas. Lets just see how he does against Watford at home. With the crowd supporting the team and some passion, hopefully we will get one goal off of Rooney's arsecheek and sneak a 1-0 win.

Ancelotti is not the man to go for. He's recent jobs have been mainly about managing egos and letting the players take control and run with it. He doesn't come across as someone as someone who is very hands on with the tactical side of things and isn't a very innovative manager. This isn't bashing him, he is great at what he does (3 European cup backs that up), but what he does isn't what would be great for us.

We need someone who is after a longer term project to run with and then back him on that. Carlo is not that guy, not sure he's ever been that guy, and definitely won't turn into that guy at this stage of his career.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Gary1878 on November 01, 2017, 03:57:35 PM
Ancelotti is not the man to go for. He's recent jobs have been mainly about managing egos and letting the players take control and run with it. He doesn't come across as someone as someone who is very hands on with the tactical side of things and isn't a very innovative manager. This isn't bashing him, he is great at what he does (3 European cup backs that up), but what he does isn't what would be great for us.

We need someone who is after a longer term project to run with and then back him on that. Carlo is not that guy, not sure he's ever been that guy, and definitely won't turn into that guy at this stage of his career.



That sort of contradicts what he said a couple of days ago;

"I want a serious project that can give me time and serenity, even though I know itís not easy. I am just waiting and something will come.

The Premier League is a very interesting league of course. The atmosphere is amazing there, even if Bundesliga stadiums are also great."

Sounds pretty long term to me.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 04:15:34 PM
Donít think heíd work here personally. Some of the stuff around his Bayern stint really turned me off, but obviously him or allardyce Iíd bite your hand off at the shoulder.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 01, 2017, 04:24:45 PM
That sort of contradicts what he said a couple of days ago;

"I want a serious project that can give me time and serenity, even though I know itís not easy. I am just waiting and something will come.

The Premier League is a very interesting league of course. The atmosphere is amazing there, even if Bundesliga stadiums are also great."

Sounds pretty long term to me.

We'll have to agree to disagree on him then mate, not that I'd be daft enough to not consider him at all, especially when the main names at the moment have success with 2 small time Lancashire clubs as their biggest achievements in football.

I just get the feeling that what Ancelotti is good at is not entirely what we need. He has a pedigree of coming into a club full of big stars, massaging egos and being a safe pair of hands. He's not really been seen as a tactical genius in recent years and things have come out that have shown he is not very hands on.

At clubs like Chelsea, Madrid, Bayern, I think he just ran with what was already in place, with minor tweaks, rather than completely changed everything and went in a new innovative direction.

At Chelsea he just continued the good work that was first started by Jose. He also immediately followed Hiddink who himself had done an excellent job steadying the ship.

At Madrid he was following Jose again, who had done a lot of the groundwork in terms of ensuring Madrid competes with Barca.

At Bayern he was given the job to maintain the level of Pep.

What I'm saying is, with this type of approach we aren't going to get into the top 4 are we? He's never come in at a club that needs to leap forward a great deal. He's excellent at what he does though.


Maybe it would work I suppose. He may want this type of challenge as you say, but his history doesn't stack up.

Can I just add that yes he has won 3 champs leagues, but he has also only won 4 league titles in his career as a manager, is that a great track record  over a 20 year period as manager of 5 or 6 of the biggest and most dominant teams in club history?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 01, 2017, 04:27:13 PM
Don’t think he’d work here personally. Some of the stuff around his Bayern stint really turned me off, but obviously him or allardyce I’d bite your hand off at the shoulder.

This is what I'm alluding to. He's too laid back in his approach to be the guy that is tasked with taking a team on the periphery to competing with the elite.

It's a bit like zidane's role at Madrid, he is a success because his main task is to massage egos. That level of talent does not need too much tactical innovation to be great.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Gary1878 on November 01, 2017, 04:36:28 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree on him then mate, not that I'd be daft enough to not consider him at all, especially when the main names at the moment have success with 2 small time Lancashire clubs as their biggest achievements in football.

I just get the feeling that what Ancelotti is good at is not entirely what we need. He has a pedigree of coming into a club full of big stars, massaging egos and being a safe pair of hands. He's not really been seen as a tactical genius in recent years and things have come out that have shown he is not very hands on.

At clubs like Chelsea, Madrid, Bayern, I think he just ran with what was already in place, with minor tweaks, rather than completely changed everything and went in a new innovative direction.

At Chelsea he just continued the good work that was first started by Jose. He also immediately followed Hiddink who himself had done an excellent job steadying the ship.

At Madrid he was following Jose again, who had done a lot of the groundwork in terms of ensuring Madrid competes with Barca.

At Bayern he was given the job to maintain the level of Pep.

What I'm saying is, with this type of approach we aren't going to get into the top 4 are we? He's never come in at a club that needs to leap forward a great deal. He's excellent at what he does though.


Maybe it would work I suppose. He may want this type of challenge as you say, but his history doesn't stack up.

Can I just add that yes he has won 3 champs leagues, but he has also only won 4 league titles in his career as a manager, is that a great track record  over a 20 year period as manager of 5 or 6 of the biggest and most dominant teams in club history?

All good points. All this talk of people like Allardyce and lower level managers just isn't where we should be aiming for though after spending over £100m in the summer.

Allardyce to me should be the boss of last resort (like a lender of last resort for Banks). Unless we are looking like we are about to genuinely suffer a relegation dogfight, you bring him in to keep you up. Perhaps it might be better to run with Unsworth for now and see how he does short term?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 01, 2017, 04:46:09 PM
 You also have to consider Anchelotti managed too teams with players that made them too teams... we haven't got that calibre of player. If he took over a shit team and won the CL I'd be more impressed but he hasn't done that, he's done it with Real, Bayern and I reckon I'd have a good go with those teams. We need someone who can work with less and get more. He's a luxury with no come back if he fucks up.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheTone on November 01, 2017, 04:46:30 PM
I actually like the man so if he did get the job he'd have my full support



(glad I got that off my chest now)

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 05:11:22 PM
Worth remembering that when he actually managed a 'big club' in Newcastle he was massively out of his depth.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 01, 2017, 06:08:02 PM
All good points. All this talk of people like Allardyce and lower level managers just isn't where we should be aiming for though after spending over £100m in the summer.

Allardyce to me should be the boss of last resort (like a lender of last resort for Banks). Unless we are looking like we are about to genuinely suffer a relegation dogfight, you bring him in to keep you up. Perhaps it might be better to run with Unsworth for now and see how he does short term?


Yeah 100% agree. If the choice was Allardyce or Ancelotti, then it's option B all day for me. I am dreading being in whatsapp groups fullof Liverpool and united fans when/if Dyche or Allardyce get in. They're already having an absolute field day.

Doesn't help when the only other blue in the group, who hardly ever pops up, made a shout for Peter Reid the other day. I've took a bashing recently
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 01, 2017, 06:26:36 PM
All good points. All this talk of people like Allardyce and lower level managers just isn't where we should be aiming for though after spending over £100m in the summer.

Allardyce to me should be the boss of last resort (like a lender of last resort for Banks). Unless we are looking like we are about to genuinely suffer a relegation dogfight, you bring him in to keep you up. Perhaps it might be better to run with Unsworth for now and see how he does short term?


I think people get hung up on the players we bought in and use this as a yard stick of how ambitious we are and who we should be going for. Yes we did spend circa £140 million, but we recouped £97 million and also sanctioned the sale of Barkley for £35 million meaning we would have only spent £10 million. Since Moshiri has joined this is a trend that hasnt gone away, we havent spent anymore than most teams in the league, fact. Moshiris attitude of 'oh well you'd expect us to lose to these teams' also doesn't strike be as a bloke that is overly ambitious either.

Ive said I dont want Big Sam and would prefer Tuchel or Ancelotti, but when you break it down are we actually ambitious enough for them to risk their reputation on or is Big Sam/Dyche where we should be pitching ourselves? I do think our squad is stronger than last year (minus the striker) but i dont think we've have provided enough evidence to suggest were going to be anything other than a top 10 team.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 06:30:53 PM
Look what someone did

https://twitter.com/calgary_blue/status/925363999478251520

Do you want this, DO YOU!?
Suprised his head shot pic fit on the side of Goodison .tbh.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Nick on November 03, 2017, 07:08:55 AM
Good lord no.  Please no.

May as well get Moyes back.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 01:44:28 PM
Good lord no.  Please no.

May as well get Moyes back.

Moyes  lolol  lolol  lolol
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 05:14:37 PM
Made me laugh

https://twitter.com/PlinketyPlink/status/926181391481671691
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: montanatoffeefan on November 05, 2017, 05:38:23 PM
Allardyce open to Everton talks

Former England boss Sam Allardyce says he would consider the job of Everton manager, but has not been contacted yet.

Source: Allardyce open to Everton talks (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/10/allardyce-open-everton-talks/)

Nothing to worry about. Just Big Sam tapping himself up. And hoping for a bung to withdraw from consideration.

Old habits die hard.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 05, 2017, 06:30:58 PM
I want him. Evertonians aren't half as precious about style of play as they like others to believe.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on November 05, 2017, 06:47:11 PM
I want him. Evertonians aren't half as precious about style of play as they like others to believe.
"Some" Evertonians ....you missed it out .👍
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Danny on November 05, 2017, 06:50:53 PM
I want him. Evertonians aren't half as precious about style of play as they like others to believe.

I want winning football and at his age and point in his career he'd take over for the rest of the season with an option for an extra year.

That and his Bolton side played some great football when they weren't playing Arsenal.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 06, 2017, 02:48:51 AM
OK so can we now put all this horribleness behind us?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 06, 2017, 02:53:42 AM
OK so can we now put all this horribleness behind us?

Why, because we've had a lucky win against a depleted team who will be hoping for no more than survival themselves?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: boothill on November 06, 2017, 02:57:32 AM
Made me laugh

https://twitter.com/PlinketyPlink/status/926181391481671691
thats brilliant
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 06, 2017, 03:13:50 AM
Why, because we've had a lucky win against a depleted team who will be hoping for no more than survival themselves?

Yes.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 06, 2017, 03:19:19 AM
Why, because we've had a lucky win against a depleted team who will be hoping for no more than survival themselves?

Just think how shit we've been this season. Like proper shit.

Well we're 15th. So there's 5 teams who have been even shitter, based on results.

And we've already played most of the top teams. In our next 4 games we play 2 teams below us. The other 2 are Southampton and Huddersfield. We're surely picking up some points there. Mate, we may be absolute dog turd, but we're not getting relegated.

And on that basis there's no fucking chance we should be getting Big Sam as our manager.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: montanatoffeefan on November 06, 2017, 06:13:51 AM
Just think how shit we've been this season. Like proper shit.

Well we're 15th. So there's 5 teams who have been even shitter, based on results.

And we've already played most of the top teams. In our next 4 games we play 2 teams below us. The other 2 are Southampton and Huddersfield. We're surely picking up some points there. Mate, we may be absolute dog turd, but we're not getting relegated.

And on that basis there's no fucking chance we should be getting Big Sam as our manager.

While it's important to understand that your own shit really does stink, I'm not sure one should take much comfort in the fact that your shit stinks slightly less than a few others in the holding pen. Particularly when you're incontinent.

I'd say we need to focus on cleaning up our mess and stop shitting ourselves--and stop believing the mess other clubs have filled their pants with will somehow guarantee our safety.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Tony Clifton on November 06, 2017, 07:38:31 AM
I want him. Evertonians aren't half as precious about style of play as they like others to believe.

He does look rather fetching in our colours, I must admit...  ;D
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 04:22:08 PM
Sounds like heís top of the list 😞
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TrevorSteven on November 06, 2017, 05:05:30 PM
Horrible news.

And that Steve Walsh really rates him tells me we should get rid of that bright and magic scout as well.

If we gonna compete with other big clubs we need to go abroad and get modern, not make Finch Farm a retiring home for old buddies in english football.

The mentality around Everton is the biggest problem. People actually want him. People actually think "Big Sam" is great, that "Steve Walsh" is great, that Jonjoe Kenny is the best right back in the world, that DCL may become the best striker in the league, that Tom Davies is the new Kevin Keegan - well it aint right.

And the disciplinarian and Everton tug of war hero Unsworth just sent home two, on paper,  very good footballers in Morgan and Kevin and replaced them with the less skilfull but run til you die spirits in Lennon and Bennie Ben.

Our squad got ripped to pieces by Walsh and Koemann this summer and now Unsworth just want to have a dig at it too. Then oh The great Big Sam gonna come in and hoof the ball over Stanley Park.

This tragedy is getting worse than what some of us predicted by the start of the season. Oh - we were right then - please understand that we are right about kicking Big Sam along way away from Goodison too.

Our squad is actually worse than what we had in the 90īs but nobody will accept it because we actually managed to get rid of all skill and buy all shit.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Heisenberg on November 06, 2017, 05:12:59 PM
Absolutely gutted by this news. It's so short sighted. Instead of getting a defensive expert. Get someone who's good at defence and attack ffs. The least nsno appointment you could make
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 06, 2017, 05:13:58 PM
Horrible news.

The mentality around Everton is the biggest problem. People actually want him. People actually think "Big Sam" is great, that "Steve Walsh" is great, that Jonjoe Kenny is the best right back in the world, that DCL may become the best striker in the league, that Tom Davies is the new Kevin Keegan - well it aint right.

1) Virtually nobody wants Sam.

2) There's plenty calling for a serious look at Walsh based on his abysmal record so far.

3) Kenny is a kid covering a long term injury, everyone understands this.

4) DCL is learning his trade as a striker but thanks to Walsh/Koeman, is actually our main striker.

5) Don't even know what to say re: Davies being the new Keegan other than nobody thinks it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 05:18:31 PM
Can you imagine the atmosphere at Goodison with Allardyce in charge, its not great now, will be a lot worse
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: hill135 on November 06, 2017, 05:23:09 PM
if it's until the end of the season I'm on board. If longer then I'm not.

Starting to come round to the view that Moshiri knows eff all about football.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: ynotd on November 06, 2017, 05:25:48 PM
Why the Allardyce hate? Evertonians are bad football snobs even though we've won fuck all since 95.

Yet yous want managers who have got teams relegated to take over you could'nt make it up.

Allardyce is a good stop gap till a manager is available to take us to the next level.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: dazfrancis on November 06, 2017, 05:27:50 PM
if it's until the end of the season I'm on board. If longer then I'm not.

Starting to come round to the view that Usmanov knows eff all about football.

Fixed
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Heisenberg on November 06, 2017, 05:29:32 PM
Why the Allardyce hate? Evertonians are bad football snobs even though we've won fuck all since 95.


Which is exactly why we are gutted about appointing a manager who's etho is to not lose games as opposed to win them. We want a winner who will be capable of winning somethjbt with us
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: mikey_blue on November 06, 2017, 05:29:59 PM
Has there been an update?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 05:31:54 PM
Fixed

All this Usmanov talk is a load of BS, if we were funded by him we wouldn't almost be working in the sale to buy market we currently are and always have been
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: ynotd on November 06, 2017, 05:33:43 PM
Which is exactly why we are gutted about appointing a manager who's etho is to not lose games as opposed to win them. We want a winner who will be capable of winning somethjbt with us

And Sean Dyche and Marco Silva are world beaters

We are in a relegation battle deal with it

And only quote half of my post to suit your agenda well done
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Heisenberg on November 06, 2017, 05:38:35 PM
And Sean Dyche and Marco Silva are world beaters

We are in a relegation battle deal with it

And only quote half of my post to suit your agenda well done

I didn't say I want dyche either. I want us to show some ambition and not get a defence/relegation expert or another flash in the pan prem manager.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: ynotd on November 06, 2017, 05:40:18 PM
I didn't say I want dyche either. I want us to show some ambition and not get a defence/relegation expert or another flash in the pan prem manager.

Who do you want then who is gettable mate?
Title: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 06, 2017, 05:40:39 PM
I think Allardyce is a very good manager. Strong leadership and good tactically. A lot of people's opinions about him are based on what they've overheard from elsewhere.

I don't give a fuck how we play as long as we win. He finds the best way to play with the players he has, and that's exactly what we need now.

Give him a 2 year deal and see how he does.

Or would we be better suited to an untested foreign manager who could potentially make us even worse...

Edit: because whoever thinks we are too good to go down is deluded. We've been awful, this is the most clueless I've seen us and I lived through the 90's.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 05:42:18 PM
Why the Allardyce hate? Evertonians are bad football snobs even though we've won fuck all since 95.

Yet yous want managers who have got teams relegated to take over you could'nt make it up.

Allardyce is a good stop gap till a manager is available to take us to the next level.

Because we're better than him, he is an awful manager who has achieved absolutely nothing in his career, his brand of football is horrible to watch and he will be hated here

Oh and just because he's never been relegated doesn't make him a good manager.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: ynotd on November 06, 2017, 05:45:38 PM
Because we're better than him, he is an awful manager who has achieved absolutely nothing in his career, his brand is football is horrible to watch and he will be hated here

Oh and just because he's never been relegated doesn't make him a good manager.

and theres the snobbery I was on about how are we better than him? He's managed England ffs he knows more about the game than you so why if your opinion the be all and end all?



Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Robioto on November 06, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
This really is depressing...

- Possibly Alardyce as manager
- Owner being looked into for shady dealings
- Two senior, experienced players sent home from training
- Awful recruitment in the summer has left us with no balance and no striker

At least we won yesterday. But this is not a good situation, if you had told me this back in July I would have laughed at you.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 05:46:31 PM
I didn't say I want dyche either. I want us to show some ambition and not get a defence/relegation expert or another flash in the pan prem manager.
We won last night, but assuming you were there to see it, what did you see which would attract any top manager? What manager do you recommend out of the top drawer who would come running to make this Everton into a top team? We need a short term steady-the-boat type to get us to mid table or higher, and go for a good manager next May. This shambles of a squad requires emergency attention.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 06, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
Yeah there are other humans and not necessarily football managers I would pick before allardyce.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: ynotd on November 06, 2017, 05:49:07 PM
I'm reading shit loads of moaning but nobody is offering alternatives at the end of the day the board will appoint who they want not what a load of forum pundits who think they speak the majority of all evertonians who never go the game buffering stream gazers

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 05:50:16 PM
I'm reading shit loads of moaning but nobody is offering alternatives at the end of the day the board will appoint who they want not what a load of forum pundits who think they speak the majority of all evertonians who never go the game buffering stream gazers



Wow, sorry Mr Everton
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: ynotd on November 06, 2017, 05:52:16 PM
Wow, sorry Mr Everton


oh here we go the 'plazzy lids' taking offence

get them streams fired up mr plastic
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 05:52:27 PM
We won last night, but assuming you were there to see it, what did you see which would attract any top manager? What manager do you recommend out of the top drawer who would come running to make this Everton into a top team? We need a short term steady-the-boat type to get us to mid table or higher, and go for a good manager next May. This shambles of a squad requires emergency attention.

There are so many reasons that most managers in the world would find us an attractive offer, I could probably give you 6 million of them off the top of my head!!!

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 05:53:33 PM
Can you imagine the atmosphere at Goodison with Allardyce in charge, its not great now, will be a lot worse
Wasn't bad last night after we scored the first goal. Very quiet before it though. If Allardyce gets results it will be OK. We do not have very many style players anyway, so Pep from City wouldn't make a massive difference with this lot. You can't make a ... out of a pig's ear.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 05:55:02 PM
There are so many reasons that most managers in the world would find us an attractive offer, I could probably give you 6 million of them off the top of my head!!!


Politely, you are talking bollocks. Just give 6 and I will let you off the million.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
Politely, you are talking bollocks. Just give 6 and I will let you off the million.

I was referring to the wages as being a major pull. Koeman was the 8th highest paid manager in world football, whatever trade or industry you're in finances still play a massive role and it'll pull in the big names.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/05/who-are-the-top-10-highest-paid-managers-in-the-world/ronald-koeman/
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 05:59:22 PM
Wow, sorry Mr Everton
buffering stream gazers !! I really like that. We seem to have a lot of them on here don't we?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 06:00:18 PM
Allardyce, Shakespeare and Walsh. The dream team hey.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 06:00:27 PM

oh here we go the 'plazzy lids' taking offence

get them streams fired up mr plastic

Plazzy lid? Mr Plastic? What are you? 12?

So you 'go the game'. Well done. I also have a season ticket but at the momen, due to personal circumstances beyond my control, I am not getting as much use out of as I was hoping to. I also live 200 miles away from Goodison so to 'go the game' is an actual whole day out for me and takes me away from that personal circumstance that is causing the issue.

I wasn't aware of the rules and regulations that someone who watches the games on a stream was less of an Evertonian and that their opinion was less valid.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Heisenberg on November 06, 2017, 06:03:22 PM
Who do you want then who is gettable mate?

Judging from us making koeman the 8th highest paid manager in world football. I'd guess a lot of managers from the top leagues in Europe are 'gettable'
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 06, 2017, 06:04:19 PM
We won last night, but assuming you were there to see it, what did you see which would attract any top manager? What manager do you recommend out of the top drawer who would come running to make this Everton into a top team? We need a short term steady-the-boat type to get us to mid table or higher, and go for a good manager next May. This shambles of a squad requires emergency attention.

Fuck's sake. We're Everton, nuff said.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 06:05:29 PM
Because we're better than him, he is an awful manager who has achieved absolutely nothing in his career, his brand of football is horrible to watch and he will be hated here

Oh and just because he's never been relegated doesn't make him a good manager.

Hate to bring it up but since the 80's we've achieved nothing either. One FA Cup and a few false dawns since but again, nothing.

I wouldn't really like him here as well but I don't see a stream of decent names on the bookie lists either.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 06:06:09 PM
Judging from us making koeman the 8th highest paid manager in world football. I'd guess a lot of managers from the top leagues in Europe are 'gettable'

Exactly my point, people think were limited are talking out their ass. If we want them most are achievable, within reason, there is no loyalty in football and never has been, show someone the readies in they'll be kissing the badge within 24 hours saying they cant wait to be part of the project!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 06:17:02 PM
Hate to bring it up but since the 80's we've achieved nothing either. One FA Cup and a few false dawns since but again, nothing.

I wouldn't really like him here as well but I don't see a stream of decent names on the bookie lists either.

Lets just hope the board have a more extensive list than the bookies, but I fear you're right. And its true we have done FA since the 80s but it shouldnt stop us trying for the best, otherwise whats the point?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on November 06, 2017, 06:17:46 PM
I'm reading shit loads of moaning but nobody is offering alternatives at the end of the day the board will appoint who they want not what a load of forum pundits who think they speak the majority of all evertonians who never go the game buffering stream gazers
My uncle is a steward...has been for fucking years goes every game and hes a redshite ....so your point is what exactly 😅😅😅.

It kills me people think they love the club more than others .😅😅
We all still have everton bills on.

Everyone is aloud an opinion on an open forum ... and if yours is Fat Sam so what your in the minority don't get defensive or abusive.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 06:21:10 PM
and theres the snobbery I was on about how are we better than him? He's managed England ffs he knows more about the game than you so why if your opinion the be all and end all?

Its not snobbery on at all, its a fact, the man is a killer of all things football and has done fuck all at every club he has been at, yes he got the England job and fucked that up within months.

When Moshiri invested into the club he made a statement saying he didn't want the club to stand still, wanted us to move forward, it didn't work with Koeman for one reason or another and he had to go, but to turn to Allardyce now would be a huge backwards step, it really would, its stinks of desperation. We're supposed to be a big club, so find a big name manager who take us forward, who has ambition, who knows how to win games, its not hard is it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 06, 2017, 06:23:17 PM
Love a good poster meltdown. Will be keeping tabs on this thread.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: piggypop on November 06, 2017, 07:04:06 PM
The Oracle, Jim White, reckons Moshiri told him yesterday that whoever was appointed would be leading the club for the next 5 years. That would surely exclude Allardyce from the equation then.

Him and Danny Murphy are currently pushing Brendan Rogers as the best option.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: hill135 on November 06, 2017, 07:12:10 PM
If we got Brendan Rogers we'd at least find out which three names were in those envelopes.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 06, 2017, 07:21:58 PM
Fuck's sake. We're Everton, nuff said.

That line hasn't played too well outside L4 for a while now.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 07:37:10 PM
A five deal for a new manager would thankfully rule Allardyce out
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 07:39:14 PM
A five deal for a new manager would thankfully rule Allardyce out

Just imagine the fume when Sam is unveiled with a 5 year contract!! :)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 07:40:07 PM
Just imagine the fume when Sam is unveiled with a 5 year contract!! :)

Don't even joke about that, seriously
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Redartin on November 06, 2017, 07:43:03 PM
The Oracle, Jim White, reckons Moshiri told him yesterday that whoever was appointed would be leading the club for the next 5 years. That would surely exclude Allardyce from the equation then.
 

No it'll probably be Unsworth, with Fat Sam in the background in some sort of advisory capacity, just till the end of this season, just in case it goes tits up.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 07:43:29 PM


Horrible news.

And that Steve Walsh really rates him tells me we should get rid of that bright and magic scout as well.

If we gonna compete with other big clubs we need to go abroad and get modern, not make Finch Farm a retiring home for old buddies in english football.

The mentality around Everton is the biggest problem. People actually want him. People actually think "Big Sam" is great, that "Steve Walsh" is great, that Jonjoe Kenny is the best right back in the world, that DCL may become the best striker in the league, that Tom Davies is the new Kevin Keegan - well it aint right.

And the disciplinarian and Everton tug of war hero Unsworth just sent home two, on paper,  very good footballers in Morgan and Kevin and replaced them with the less skilfull but run til you die spirits in Lennon and Bennie Ben.

Our squad got ripped to pieces by Walsh and Koemann this summer and now Unsworth just want to have a dig at it too. Then oh The great Big Sam gonna come in and hoof the ball over Stanley Park.

This tragedy is getting worse than what some of us predicted by the start of the season. Oh - we were right then - please understand that we are right about kicking Big Sam along way away from Goodison too.

Our squad is actually worse than what we had in the 90īs but nobody will accept it because we actually managed to get rid of all skill and buy all shit.

Love to know what fucking demographic you're using for this tirade
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blueski on November 06, 2017, 08:04:09 PM
never really got the negative obsession with Allardyce - to me he seems like a utilitarian manager who gets the most out of what he's got

sometimes that's dire but Mourhinho can play some dire stuff at times too. is it just that he's become a caricature of negative football? seems like hes just managed at some dire clubs and thus put out some dire tactics. West Ham would probably be better off with him than they have been

and no, I'm not saying we're West Ham and not saying I'd be in love with his appointment but its always surprised me how some managers can be utilitarian and negative at times and get a relative pass and he gets such negativity
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on November 06, 2017, 09:35:49 PM
never really got the negative obsession with Allardyce - to me he seems like a utilitarian manager who gets the most out of what he's got

sometimes that's dire but Mourhinho can play some dire stuff at times too. is it just that he's become a caricature of negative football? seems like hes just managed at some dire clubs and thus put out some dire tactics. West Ham would probably be better off with him than they have been

and no, I'm not saying we're West Ham and not saying I'd be in love with his appointment but its always surprised me how some managers can be utilitarian and negative at times and get a relative pass and he gets such negativity
Because he is fireman Sam ...not to mention his ahem erm England tenur.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 09:40:40 PM
Don’t think his win rate in the prem has ever got above 40%, he’s never won anything ever and most of the teams go down once he’s left anyway so he doesn’t build anything stable or put down good foundations. Just cuts out errors and scores from corners.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 06, 2017, 09:41:49 PM
Donít think his win rate in the prem has ever got above 40%, heís never won anything ever and most of the teams go down once heís left so he doesnít believe old anything stable or put down good foundations. Just cuts out errors and scores from corners.

A win rate won't get above 40% when you've never managed a top half club will it
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Major Clanger on November 06, 2017, 09:42:21 PM
never really got the negative obsession with Allardyce - to me he seems like a utilitarian manager who gets the most out of what he's got

Four letters, begins with a "b" and rhymes with "rung".
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2017, 09:47:10 PM
About the length of games we have left isn't it?
Where would it get us?

Crystal Palace 23 December 2016 23 May 2017 24 9 3 12 37.5 

That's 9 wins 3 draws
40pts with 3 games to go
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Danny on November 06, 2017, 10:10:32 PM
Of the teams he's managed, turned Bolton into a top 7 team on a shoestring (albeit it in a different time).

Got very little to spend at Newcastle and weirdly sacked by Ashley despite being about 10th which is about their level.

Went to Blackburn with the Venkys' and was told the likes of Ronaldinho were on the way and when they didn't come still kept them in about 14th.

Goes to West Ham and gets them promoted but same story, no money and think they're better than they are.

Sunderland, does very well keeping them up only to move to England and balls it up.

Goes to Palace, saves them and leaves when it's clear there is no money and retires.

It'd actually be story of his career if Moshiri promised him money and we didn't have any, how anyone can call him an awful manager when we've seen what an awful manager looks like is beyond me, I can understand not wanting him for the footbll the team plays but I can't be the only one who remembers the Campo, Okocha, Djorkaeff years rather than Davies and Nolan against Arsenal.

That and I remember his Bolton team battering us 4-0 at Goodison and Stelios scoring, at least I assume that's when he was manager.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 06, 2017, 10:19:04 PM

Love to know what fucking demographic you're using for this tirade

The same one as Thomas usually uses lolol
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: kramer0 on November 06, 2017, 10:31:16 PM
A gang of 60 year old English proper football men is what we need to compete with England and Europe's best.

Said no one ever.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 06, 2017, 10:37:12 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/28/09/38D50C7800000578-3810845-Allardyce_was_caught_up_in_a_Daily_Telegraph_sting_offering_advi-a-54_1475052821347.jpg)


no thanks, is an understatement.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: bigmanbob on November 06, 2017, 10:37:54 PM
Couldn't give a fuck how old they are or where they're from, just a decent reputation with a knowledge of our league and for them not under any circumstances to be this fat headed, bent bastard
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Toffee1 on November 06, 2017, 10:39:06 PM
Maybe we should give this guy a shot, seems like he has a few formations that no one has ever thought of.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheRam on November 06, 2017, 10:41:48 PM
I won't be getting behind the club if we get this sack of shite in.

Call me a bad fan or whatever the club will lose me for the duration of this fellas reign.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 10:43:04 PM
We won last night, but assuming you were there to see it, what did you see which would attract any top manager? What manager do you recommend out of the top drawer who would come running to make this Everton into a top team? We need a short term steady-the-boat type to get us to mid table or higher, and go for a good manager next May. This shambles of a squad requires emergency attention.

An ambitious chairman with finances to back him, a very good academy and successful U23 setup . That and a good wedge would attract a lot of top managers.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheTone on November 06, 2017, 10:45:43 PM
A gang of 60 year old English proper football men is what we need to compete with England and Europe's best.

Said no one ever.

ageist
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheTone on November 06, 2017, 10:46:44 PM
hates the shite though doesn't he
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2017, 11:05:29 PM
hates the shite though doesn't he
TBF weíd probably beat the shite with Fat Sam as manager - heís set-piece the shit out of them.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: kramer0 on November 06, 2017, 11:27:04 PM
Like, I realize that's a cuntish take, especially the age/nationality stuff, but where are we going if we keep living in the past with these backroom appointments? Obviously, Walsh and Allardyce have enough on their CV to suggest that they're capable of running a football team well enough but are the edges they used to get say, 10 years ago, as valuable today?

Where are those next "firsts" coming from?

http://www.evertonfc.com/content/history/everton-firsts (http://www.evertonfc.com/content/history/everton-firsts)

Is anyone going to admire the way we play? Supporters included.

http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2014/08/21/the-history-of-the-school-of-science (http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2014/08/21/the-history-of-the-school-of-science)

One of the things that attracted a foreigner/nerd like myself to Everton is its history of being a forward-thinking club. If you think that affects the validity of my opinions... fine. But I think there are a lot of edges we're leaving on the table right now because we're beholden to "real football men" like Walsh, Koeman, and now maybe Allardyce. Europe is littered with clubs that have a fraction of our resources but play better football and get better results on the continent. We could crush the lot of them if we put the right people in charge. Maybe it's just out of our reach to compete with the top, top clubs (i.e. the mega rich) but there's no reason why we shouldn't be nipping at their heels, ready to overtake them if they stumble.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 06, 2017, 11:34:12 PM
Like, I realize that's a cuntish take, especially the age/nationality stuff, but where are we going if we keep living in the past with these backroom appointments? Obviously, Walsh and Allardyce have enough on their CV to suggest that they're capable of running a football team well enough but are the edges they used to get say, 10 years ago, as valuable today?

Where are those next "firsts" coming from?

http://www.evertonfc.com/content/history/everton-firsts (http://www.evertonfc.com/content/history/everton-firsts)

Is anyone going to admire the way we play? Supporters included.

http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2014/08/21/the-history-of-the-school-of-science (http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2014/08/21/the-history-of-the-school-of-science)

One of the things that attracted a foreigner/nerd like myself to Everton is its history of being a forward-thinking club. If you think that affects the validity of my opinions... fine. But I think there are a lot of edges we're leaving on the table right now because we're beholden to "real football men" like Walsh, Koeman, and now maybe Allardyce. Europe is littered with clubs that have a fraction of our resources but play better football and get better results on the continent. We could crush the lot of them if we put the right people in charge. Maybe it's just out of our reach to compete with the top, top clubs (i.e. the mega rich) but there's no reason why we shouldn't be nipping at their heels, ready to overtake them if they stumble.

I whole-heartedly agree, we need an identity badly.  To differentiate ourselves to the next generation of fans.  And as the people's club, that identity should be progressive, embracing our heritage (School of Science) whist moving and looking to the future.

We have enough money to embrace a vision.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 11:37:37 PM
Stop over analysing and coming out with Ďfuture visioní rubbish and letís simply get in a half decent manager who can win some games.

The rest will follow
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2017, 11:52:39 PM
Genuine question: how many premier league teams play good football?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: sirblue57 on November 07, 2017, 12:01:42 AM
Like, I realize that's a cuntish take, especially the age/nationality stuff, but where are we going if we keep living in the past with these backroom appointments? Obviously, Walsh and Allardyce have enough on their CV to suggest that they're capable of running a football team well enough but are the edges they used to get say, 10 years ago, as valuable today?

Where are those next "firsts" coming from?

http://www.evertonfc.com/content/history/everton-firsts (http://www.evertonfc.com/content/history/everton-firsts)

Is anyone going to admire the way we play? Supporters included.

http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2014/08/21/the-history-of-the-school-of-science (http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2014/08/21/the-history-of-the-school-of-science)

One of the things that attracted a foreigner/nerd like myself to Everton is its history of being a forward-thinking club. If you think that affects the validity of my opinions... fine. But I think there are a lot of edges we're leaving on the table right now because we're beholden to "real football men" like Walsh, Koeman, and now maybe Allardyce. Europe is littered with clubs that have a fraction of our resources but play better football and get better results on the continent. We could crush the lot of them if we put the right people in charge. Maybe it's just out of our reach to compete with the top, top clubs (i.e. the mega rich) but there's no reason why we shouldn't be nipping at their heels, ready to overtake them if they stumble.

Yes, thank you.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Simon Paul on November 07, 2017, 12:31:55 AM
Genuine question: how many premier league teams play good football?

19
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2017, 12:36:33 AM
It's amusing the arguments people will stretch to, in order to justify employing this fella.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 12:37:57 AM
letís simply get in a half decent manager who can win some games.

NSNO
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2017, 12:40:44 AM
Never imagined I'd say this about anyone, but I'd rather've kept Koeman (or even Martinez) than getting Allardyce.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 01:03:29 AM
Breaking news on sky now
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 07, 2017, 01:03:56 AM
Heís held talks with Moshiri
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blue slug on November 07, 2017, 01:04:36 AM
Itís looking pretty likely fat head sam is going to be in till end of season, moyes going to West Ham
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 01:08:57 AM
Good, onwards and (upwards?). I really wanted Rafa in spite of his pedigree.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 07, 2017, 01:11:21 AM
Itís looking pretty likely fat head sam is going to be in till end of season, moyes going to West Ham

How come  we end up with the worse option?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 07, 2017, 01:11:50 AM
I can't believe it's got this far. We're talking about a man who has had Blackburn, Newcastle and West Ham United fans everywhere tearing their hair out. A desperate England had to get rid of him due to his scandalous dealings out of the reach of the FA's ears. He has the likes of Kevin Nolan and El Hadji Diouf at the top of his football friends contact list after season after season of anything goes football under his say so.
The man is not fit to walk through Goodison's door in any other entrance but the visitors team entrance.
We're not fucking Sunderland rooted to the bottom in March.
This would be the end of Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blue slug on November 07, 2017, 01:14:00 AM
How come  we end up with the worse option?

Both poor options fella but I will live with it till the end of the season and get behind old melon head regardless
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 01:15:40 AM
The end is nigh! Don't talk  ff...rubbish. One year from now we will have recovered with some bugger or other in charge after Sam has dug us out of the hole somebody dropped us in.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 01:20:32 AM
I can't believe it's got this far. We're talking about a man who has had Blackburn, Newcastle and West Ham United fans everywhere tearing their hair out. A desperate England had to get rid of him due to his scandalous dealings out of the reach of the FA's ears. He has the likes of Kevin Nolan and El Hadji Diouf at the top of his football friends contact list after season after season of anything goes football under his say so.
The man is not fit to walk through Goodison's door in any other entrance but the visitors team entrance.
We're not fucking Sunderland rooted to the bottom in March.
This would be the end of Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.

All 3 were worse for him leaving. Blackburn sacked him when they were in the top half. How they doing now?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Cassius on November 07, 2017, 01:23:44 AM
From clearing the debt, renovating Goodison tastefully, backing managers with funds, securing Bramley Dock and appointing a visionary architect to design a new stadium, selling naming rights to FF, to securing further commercial deals... I thought Moshiri was astute and Bill had finally found the perfect person to get us closer to winning something and competing.

But if Sam Allardyce is appointed as manager he'll have lost my trust.

I'm not usually one for hyperbole on a Monday but fuck me. What's going on. There are better and more progressive options than Fat fucking Sam.

I just wonder whether this is all a ploy to make a Sean Dyche appointment feel more exciting prospect.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 07, 2017, 01:24:16 AM
If anything itís going to be the same as Moyes at West Ham, get us right and through to the end of the season then look for a bigger name.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: therealdunc on November 07, 2017, 01:25:00 AM
Really excited about Allerdyce as manager, Everton are back
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 01:26:05 AM
If anything itís going to be the same as Moyes at West Ham, get us right and through to the end of the season then look for a bigger name.

This is what sky are saying, Moshiri wants a big name manager but is prepared to wait and get this prick in til the end of the season
Title: MOSHIRI TALKING TO ALLARDYCE
Post by: angus1878 on November 07, 2017, 01:34:27 AM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11116772/sam-allardyce-holds-talks-with-everton-over-managers-job
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheRam on November 07, 2017, 01:35:26 AM
In a bit the ev
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blueToffee on November 07, 2017, 01:37:01 AM
"It is believed Moshiri has also targeted a top European coach and a Premier League manager to replace Ronald Koeman, who was sacked last month"

Well, a glimmer of hope there I suppose.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: dax78 on November 07, 2017, 01:37:25 AM
Everything about this makes perfect sense. Stand back for a minute and analyse this without the blue tinted glasses on. It is exactly what we need and will set things up nicely for the new man next summer.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 07, 2017, 01:37:50 AM
Everything about this makes perfect sense. Stand back for a minute and analyse this without the blue tinted glasses on. It is exactly what we need and will set things up nicely for the new man next summer.

Why is it?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blue slug on November 07, 2017, 01:39:55 AM
Everything about this makes perfect sense. Stand back for a minute and analyse this without the blue tinted glasses on. It is exactly what we need and will set things up nicely for the new man next summer.

Totally agree Iíd rather us have allardyce till end of season get us out the shit if it means getting a top manager Iím ready for start of next season
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Cozzie on November 07, 2017, 01:40:02 AM
Bit shit.

However. If we where gonna get Dyce, who is very much an Allardyce style manager, we would be stuck with awful football for a few years. At least with allardyce he only wants the job on a short term basis.

Get him to get us into a meaningful position and then get a more progressive manager in for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheRam on November 07, 2017, 01:40:06 AM
He'll take us down.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 01:40:19 AM
Allardyce is not the answer, you're seriously deluded if you think he is
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 07, 2017, 01:42:35 AM
He'll get more than a six month contract. Get used to it, get behind him and things will be fine.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blue slug on November 07, 2017, 01:43:20 AM
Allardyce is not the answer, you're seriously deluded if you think he is

If who we want isnít available what would you do, stick with unsworth, dyche on a long term deal or fat head till end of the season?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Shogun on November 07, 2017, 01:44:45 AM
Disappointing but it's far from certain it's going to be Allardyce.

There'll be a few managers coming in for interviews, that's generally how jobs work.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 01:45:13 AM
If who we want isnít available what would you do, stick with unsworth, dyche on a long term deal or fat head till end of the season?

Stick with Unsworth
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 07, 2017, 01:46:05 AM
Fucking hell.

Sam Allardyce.

Shit the fucking bed.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blue slug on November 07, 2017, 01:46:52 AM
Stick with Unsworth

Iíd like to but I can understand why moshiri and the board are a bit concerned with his lack of experience with the position we are in
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on November 07, 2017, 01:47:30 AM
This is the kinda thing that could be a whole new episode of Panorama
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 07, 2017, 01:47:41 AM
We simply can't do this, and NO I will never accept it.  NSNO.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blueToffee on November 07, 2017, 01:48:56 AM
Would be surprised if Allardyce did accept a contract until the end of the season to be honest.

Plus, that'd really muddy the waters come January which is a critical window for us still. Would we really be spending a lot on his targets if he was only there short term? It would seem a bit nuts.

I still say a Chinook airdropping 10 mil on Tuchel's doorstep is the way to go. Or get him in for an initial period with an option to extend? He's literally doing nothing right now...surely money would be of some interest + get a chance in the PL.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Cassius on November 07, 2017, 01:49:03 AM
The idea of a short term appointment to see us through to the summer is fine.

Except recruiting Sam Allardyce as the short term option makes me question who the long term person they have in mind is.

Howard Wilkinson maybe? Stuart fucking Pearce?

Chelsea appointed Guus Hiddink as an interim to tide them over. That's how big clubs behave.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 01:50:05 AM
He'll take us down.

Based on what will he take us down? His entire reputation is built on saving shit sides.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 01:53:20 AM
The idea of a short term appointment to see us through to the summer is fine.

Except recruiting Sam Allardyce as the short term option makes me question who the long term person they have in mind is.

Howard Wilkinson maybe? Stuart fucking Pearce?

Chelsea appointed Guus Hiddink as an interim to tide them over. That's how big clubs behave.

What about Roberto Di Matteo or Avram Grant as a compromise then
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 07, 2017, 01:54:06 AM
The couple of weeks over the international break would be enough to look and speak to a few managers I would have thought, so speaking to Allerdyce as a temp option, cos thatís all heíll be, is pointless.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: sirblue57 on November 07, 2017, 01:55:38 AM
What about Roberto Di Matteo or Avram Grant as a compromise then
both vast improvements on fat sam. or Dyche.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blue slug on November 07, 2017, 01:55:51 AM
Weíre not a big club though Cassius in the eyes of most people and hiddink wasnít coming in with Chelsea in the bottom 3 playing like utter shite
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: toshyboy on November 07, 2017, 02:02:08 AM
Buzzing off some of the reactions on here - both ways. At the end of the day itís a stop gap cos we canít attract who we want be it through availability or our shit position. Heís a safe pair of hands for 6/18 months or whatever it turns out to be. Even if heís given 2.5 years, donít expect him to be here for the duration. His job is effectively to get us back to being an attractive proposition (I.e best of rest), then if not this summer then the next move on.

Itís good business sense whether heís a cunt or not. All this ďwere too good for him attitudeĒ is all a bit West Ham for me
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Django on November 07, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
Sam Allardyce has never been relegated.

Everton: Ďhold my changí
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheTone on November 07, 2017, 02:04:03 AM
is right the big man  lolol

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Django on November 07, 2017, 02:07:39 AM
Wouldnít worry too much RE fat Sam - Sky are only reporting something that took place last week. Talks in Canary Wharf. I reckon heís our back up option. Shame we didnít take the same stance with the Giroud saga.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blueToffee on November 07, 2017, 02:08:37 AM
What about Roberto Di Matteo or Avram Grant as a compromise then

both vast improvements on fat sam. or Dyche.

(https://i.giphy.com/media/12FfNKPlSR5k2c/giphy.webp)

I just don't think a temporary manager is a great way to go here. I think it's a big window coming up in terms of who we need to sign. It's almost as important as the managerial choice, why would we want a temporary manager to sign a striker on a 4 year deal or something?

Ok, we could procrastinate on that too and get a loan in but it just doesn't seem like a great way to go.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 07, 2017, 02:08:46 AM
Has he got better moves than Martinez?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Simon Paul on November 07, 2017, 02:09:47 AM
Sky will be taking huge money on Fat Sam and we'll get Dyche as planned

Farhad helping his mates again
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: arteta4spain on November 07, 2017, 02:10:26 AM
Been hearing that Moshiri wants Silva but Walsh wants Allardyce. Anyone clarify if that's doing the rounds?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 07, 2017, 02:10:48 AM
Has he got better moves than Martinez?

Clearly
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: dax78 on November 07, 2017, 02:11:06 AM
Why is it?
Like it or not, we are a complete shambles on the field, no cohesion, no identity and can't defend for shit. His entire career he had made the best of the resources at hand and I believe he is ideal to get us playing as a team, set up correctly, defending well, and most importantly getting results. Thus will ultimately breed confidence in the players, get us playing to our potential and elevating us up the league, which will make us an entirely more attractive proposition for the new manager, along with a bit of spending power and a new stadium on the horizon.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 07, 2017, 02:12:05 AM
I don't know why everyone is assuming it's a short term contract. He won't sign on for just six months as it'll make him look desperate.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: arteta4spain on November 07, 2017, 02:12:33 AM
is right the big man  lolol

Does that beat Martinez' Jason Derulo dancing?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: arteta4spain on November 07, 2017, 02:13:07 AM
Clearly
Haha beat me to it
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 07, 2017, 02:16:40 AM
Like it or not, we are a complete shambles on the field, no cohesion, no identity and can't defend for shit. His entire career he had made the best of the resources at hand and I believe he is ideal to get us playing as a team, set up correctly, defending well, and most importantly getting results. Thus will ultimately breed confidence in the players, get us playing to our potential and elevating us up the league, which will make us an entirely more attractive proposition for the new manager, along with a bit of spending power and a new stadium on the horizon.

Plenty of competent managers will get us playing as a team and set us up right though....
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: dax78 on November 07, 2017, 02:18:52 AM
Plenty of competent managers will get us playing as a team and set us up right though....
Agreed, but very few will accept a short term contract and step aside when morishi can secure his ultimate target, whomever that may be
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: dax78 on November 07, 2017, 02:19:46 AM

Not sure what I did there
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 07, 2017, 02:19:50 AM
Been hearing that Moshiri wants Silva but Walsh wants Allardyce. Anyone clarify if that's doing the rounds?

Whoís the owner of Everton out of the two mentioned above?!

Walsh shouldnít have a say really.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 07, 2017, 02:21:10 AM
Plenty of competent managers will get us playing as a team and set us up right though....
I dunno, Koeman was a competent manager before we ruined him.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: arteta4spain on November 07, 2017, 02:21:46 AM
Who's the owner of Everton out of the two mentioned above?!

Walsh shouldn't have a say really.
Oh I know! When my mate told me I said the exact same thing.
He's seen it from The Telegraph;
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/11/06/sam-allardye-frontrunner-everton-job-meeting-clubs-owner/amp/
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Normm on November 07, 2017, 02:23:21 AM
Everton apparently told Jim White after the match that they will not be in a rush to make an appointment.

So, it may be that Big Sam is asked to be ready if matches don't work out well for Unsworth - who after Sunday's performance may be given longer.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 07, 2017, 02:23:28 AM
Oh I know! When my mate told me I said the exact same thing.
He's seen it from The Telegraph;
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/11/06/sam-allardye-frontrunner-everton-job-meeting-clubs-owner/amp/

It wasnít a pop at you, just a response to your quote. 👍🏻
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: arteta4spain on November 07, 2017, 02:26:57 AM
Everton apparently told Jim White after the match that they will not be in a rush to make an appointment.

So, it may be that Big Sam is asked to be ready if matches don't work out well for Unsworth - who after Sunday's performance may be given longer.
That's make sense just hope it's true!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Toffee1 on November 07, 2017, 02:31:06 AM
is right the big man  lolol


That reminded me of the Dad dancing sketch from The Mary Whitehouse Experience.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 02:35:51 AM
both vast improvements on fat sam. or Dyche.

You think Avram grant is a better manager? People seem to have lost all rational thinking on this. You can not be in favour without making up daft reasons

I've already seen we can't fall any lower, worse than Avram grant, rather have Martinez back, he'll take us down. Really just a load of nonsense.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 02:54:26 AM
In a good backroom structure, with a good director of football, the DoF should absolutely be deciding the manager.

Walsh, though? Meh. Should have flushed him alongside Koeman.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Trowel on November 07, 2017, 03:05:18 AM
"It is believed Moshiri has also targeted a top European coach and a Premier League manager to replace Ronald Koeman, who was sacked last month"

Well, a glimmer of hope there I suppose.
I cling on to Ancelloti saying he's tied to his Bayern contract until the end of the season.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 07, 2017, 03:06:20 AM
Don't want the dishonest fat masticating bastard anywhere near the club.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheTone on November 07, 2017, 03:10:21 AM
Don't want the dishonest fat masticating bastard anywhere near the club.

so it's a maybe then?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: fubarruk on November 07, 2017, 03:32:20 AM
Seriously, club can get to fuck if they bring that boarish, corrupt, clueless fat fucking inbred of a man into my club, that'll be me done with them.

Really amazes me the short memory of people. He got bombed out of the England job because he was proven to be corrupt. Same as they fucking Redknapp, bankrupted every club he's been at, skimmed money off the top of transfers from all of them, admitted to only playing players he liked on order for them to get extra appearance money as they had gambling debts to clear yet because he's 'good old 'Arry' the press forget and clubs welcome him with open arms.

Appoint Allardyce and everything we stand for as a club is gone, sold out, would rather get relegated but still be proud of my club than have him here.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 07, 2017, 03:53:57 AM
I cling on to Ancelloti saying he's tied to his Bayern contract until the end of the season.
Sorry if mentioned earlier...any ideas who this top European manager is?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 03:58:15 AM
Canít get my head around the idea that everton fans think this is a good move.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 07, 2017, 04:06:20 AM
Sorry if mentioned earlier...any ideas who this top European manager is?

Zidane, just waiting for Real to give him the chop.....
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 07, 2017, 04:10:15 AM
Good to see we've moved on from insulting people for their weight though.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2017, 04:20:18 AM
I dunno, Koeman was a competent manager before we ruined him.

We didn't ruin Koeman, he ruined us.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: fubarruk on November 07, 2017, 04:28:47 AM
Good to see we've moved on from insulting people for their weight though.
Well I'm no waif myself so I don't see the issue, but I'll rephase seing as you brought it up...

I dont want to see that boarish, corrupt, clueless, heavy set fucking inbred of a man anywhere near my club
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 07, 2017, 04:31:40 AM
Just realised I've reached a point now where I don't take the club or any of their shit to heart anymore and just carry on without it bothering me.

It's taken 26 years (from birth) of bitter disappointment, false dawns, wasted opportunity, farcical leadership, let downs, fuck ups and general incompetence but this season, they've finally broken me. Credit to Roberto Martinez final season for getting the ball rolling.

It feels good to be free.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blueski on November 07, 2017, 04:34:09 AM
Canít get my head around the idea that everton fans think this is a good move.
we're all a little nutty in the end aren't we?

you could also say some are crazy for thinking we are out of the scrap thanks to squeaking out a late victory at home because Watford misses a pen

who knows anymore what's right?

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 07, 2017, 04:35:06 AM
Good to see we've moved on from insulting people for their weight though.

Ha, didn't mean to call him Fat Sam meant to type 'fat headed'. Sausage fingers on me!

 :whistle:
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 04:35:44 AM
Seriously, club can get to fuck if they bring that boarish, corrupt, clueless fat fucking inbred of a man into my club, that'll be me done with them.

Really amazes me the short memory of people. He got bombed out of the England job because he was proven to be corrupt. Same as they fucking Redknapp, bankrupted every club he's been at, skimmed money off the top of transfers from all of them, admitted to only playing players he liked on order for them to get extra appearance money as they had gambling debts to clear yet because he's 'good old 'Arry' the press forget and clubs welcome him with open arms.

Appoint Allardyce and everything we stand for as a club is gone, sold out, would rather get relegated but still be proud of my club than have him here.



Is redknapp coming too?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 04:37:18 AM
Canít get my head around the idea that everton fans think this is a good move.

Not sure that's the test of anything. There's 8 votes for Ferguson and arteta and almost tears of joy on rooneys return
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 07, 2017, 04:37:35 AM
so it's a maybe then?

Definitely maybe fucking not.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 04:40:36 AM
Also it is a little odd that we were so outraged at Barton's attack on unsworth let half the forum seems to have similar issues with Allardyces weight.

I just think if he comes we should give him a genuine chance.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Silas on November 07, 2017, 04:43:44 AM
Also it is a little odd that we were so outraged at Barton's attack on unsworth let half the forum seems to have similar issues with Allardyces weight.

I just think if he comes we should give him a genuine chance.

Whoever comes should be given a chance. I don't want allardyce at all but if he comes I want him to be be hugely successful.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Thomas on November 07, 2017, 07:10:21 AM
Whoever comes should be given a chance. I don't want allardyce at all but if he comes I want him to be be hugely successful.

After the media scoop on him, I don't want our club associated with that. We need a manager with integrity.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 07, 2017, 07:23:10 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it does bemuse how much Allardyce's performances as a manager are under-appreciated.

If an Italian manager with the name Georgio "Sick Hairline" Lippocini had brought a Bolton side up from the Championship and within a few seasons had them doing well in Europe and only a few points from the CL positions...

Saved Palace, Blackburn and Sunderland from likely looking relegations...

Did average at Newcastle and West Ham (incl. a promotion)...

Took sports-science research in the PL to new levels...

Then I bet there would be a different opinion of him. I realise I sound like his PR guy here, but it really annoys me when people jump on a bandwagon of criticism.

#lippocini4manager
Title: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it does bemuse how much Allardyce's performances as a manager are under-appreciated.

If an Italian manager with the name Georgio "Sick Hairline" Lippocini had brought a Bolton side up from the Championship and within a few seasons had them doing well in Europe and only a few points from the CL positions...

Saved Palace, Blackburn and Sunderland from likely looking relegations...

Did average at Newcastle and West Ham (incl. a promotion)...

Took sports-science research in the PL to new levels...

Then I bet there would be a different opinion of him. I realise I sound like his PR guy here, but it really annoys me when people jump on a bandwagon of criticism.

#lippocini4manager

I don't think that's entirely right. There are Italian managers with much greater accomplishments on their CV that I'd absolutely hate for Everton right now. Ancelotti, Mancini, probably some others if you named them. Same deal if you switch the nationality.

All of the work Allardyce did with Charles Reep's ideas worked well for him when he was at, say, Bolton but I'm skeptical that he gets any big edges from them today. What he does is good enough to outperform the hacks who manage at the bottom of the table but it's not getting Everton, or any club, within touching distance of anybody who's truly good. Would be a regressive move for the club on the pitch, not to mention all the money he and his old pal Steve Walsh are going to skim off the top of our transfers.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: bluenuck on November 07, 2017, 12:02:47 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned. But just read allardyce is going to sign a 100k a week deal until end of this season. Bring in Shakespeare as his number 2.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: oztoffee on November 07, 2017, 12:29:57 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it does bemuse how much Allardyce's performances as a manager are under-appreciated.

If an Italian manager with the name Georgio "Sick Hairline" Lippocini had brought a Bolton side up from the Championship and within a few seasons had them doing well in Europe and only a few points from the CL positions...

Saved Palace, Blackburn and Sunderland from likely looking relegations...

Did average at Newcastle and West Ham (incl. a promotion)...

Took sports-science research in the PL to new levels...

Then I bet there would be a different opinion of him. I realise I sound like his PR guy here, but it really annoys me when people jump on a bandwagon of criticism.

#lippocini4manager

He has a good record of getting teams out of the shit, and make no mistake we ARE in the shit. If Cleverley had scored that penalty we'd be 19th FFS! How is that not in the shit?
Do folks not want him here because to do so means that they'll have to admit that Everton is in no way the powerhouse we'd once been. Time for a reality check, I think.
I know about the money scandal thing, so don't tell me I'm deluded about Allardyce. And this crap about 'we don't want his sort at our club', easy to say when you don't have the responsibility to the thousands who turn up every week and the hundreds of thousands who watch around the world.
Farhad and Bill have that responsibility, certainly one I wouldn't relish. So you people out there who are groaning and whingeing before the bloke even signs, have you the knowledge and experience to front up and do the job? Have you ever managed anything like a football club in shit street? Would you know how to fix what's wrong, keep thousands happy and build this club up? Thought not!
Everyone has ideas, but let's face it if we were any f***ing good at it, we'd be the f***ing manager, wouldn't we.
So FFS get behind the man, any man who signs, he's working to make this club great again.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: sirblue57 on November 07, 2017, 01:27:13 PM
He has a good record of getting teams out of the shit, and make no mistake we ARE in the shit. If Cleverley had scored that penalty we'd be 19th FFS! How is that not in the shit?
Do folks not want him here because to do so means that they'll have to admit that Everton is in no way the powerhouse we'd once been. Time for a reality check, I think.
I know about the money scandal thing, so don't tell me I'm deluded about Allardyce. And this crap about 'we don't want his sort at our club', easy to say when you don't have the responsibility to the thousands who turn up every week and the hundreds of thousands who watch around the world.
Farhad and Bill have that responsibility, certainly one I wouldn't relish. So you people out there who are groaning and whingeing before the bloke even signs, have you the knowledge and experience to front up and do the job? Have you ever managed anything like a football club in shit street? Would you know how to fix what's wrong, keep thousands happy and build this club up? Thought not!
Everyone has ideas, but let's face it if we were any f***ing good at it, we'd be the f***ing manager, wouldn't we.
So FFS get behind the man, any man who signs, he's working to make this club great again.

Trust bill and Moshiri? Really.lost trust in any decisions. Bill  makes a long time ago. And Moshiri has not been here long, but has overseen a couple of.poor windows, chased Koeman , who many had doubts about. So.as supporters.who have invested time and a large amountof money . So although we have no actual input, we do have a right to make our point and have an opinion .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 01:37:52 PM
So hes a good manager because be kept Sunderland and Palace up? Hardly a glowing cv though
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 07, 2017, 02:02:05 PM
If weíre looking for a manager whoís been chased out of West Ham and Newcastle we could go with a Billic and Carver combo?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Hawkandro on November 07, 2017, 02:21:31 PM
I'd just like to state, Hawkandro is open to Everton talks.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 02:48:26 PM
(http://e1.365dm.com/17/09/16-9/20/skysports-sam-allardyce-mnf_4098053.jpg?20170911214152)

The only thing missing from the list is try to score more than than the opposition
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 07, 2017, 03:05:45 PM
Well I'm no waif myself so I don't see the issue, but I'll rephase seing as you brought it up...

I dont want to see that boarish, corrupt, clueless, heavy set fucking inbred of a man anywhere near my club

See? It's nice to be nice.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: hill135 on November 07, 2017, 03:45:04 PM
Some strange reactions on here.

He's not a shit manager. He's good at what he does. I agree with the question of whether 'what he does' is enough for Everton and I'm not sure it is either but on a short-term basis it wouldn't be the end of the world as this season is all about league position now and he'll have us climbing the table.

What he is a fucking dour manager. Not keen on that myself but so what? He's no more dour than Sean Dyche who appears to the be likely alternative.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 03:54:21 PM
Sorry but you can't argue with any of this article !

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11116569/sam-allardyce-to-everton-how-could-his-methods-help-them
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 07, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
Why would Ancelotti want to come to us?

But alright, if we can't get the kind of manager that everyone wants at the moment, because they're unavailable or we're performing like a pile of dog shit, then isn't this the best option?

We can't keep Unsworth in, he's out of his depth. I love the man but he's not ready for a PL manager's role yet. We went 2 down against Watford at home and were lucky to get anything out of the game.

Shipping goals every game, we need someone in to sort the defence out. At the moment we're easily one of the worst teams in the league.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 04:50:56 PM
Why would Ancelotti want to come to us?

But alright, if we can't get the kind of manager that everyone wants at the moment, because they're unavailable or we're performing like a pile of dog shit, then isn't this the best option?

We can't keep Unsworth in, he's out of his depth. I love the man but he's not ready for a PL manager's role yet. We went 2 down against Watford at home and were lucky to get anything out of the game.

Shipping goals every game, we need someone in to sort the defence out. At the moment we're easily one of the worst teams in the league.

Erm maybe because we could pay a lot of money
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 04:54:20 PM
Erm maybe because we could pay a lot of money

So that theory would equally apply to Pochetino, Guardiola, Mourinho, Heynkes, Zidane wouldn't it .
Why not go after one of them 😀
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Major Clanger on November 07, 2017, 04:58:05 PM
The human brain's ability to retionalise even the most absurd things is both wonderful and terrifying.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 05:00:41 PM
The human brain's ability to retionalise even the most absurd things is both wonderful and terrifying.

So profound :snigger:
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 07, 2017, 05:04:32 PM
So that theory would equally apply to Pochetino, Guardiola, Mourinho, Heynkes, Zidane wouldn't it .
Why not go after one of them 😀

Did you really just put this? Koeman was the 8th best manager in world football however, Pochetino, Guardiola, Mourinho, Heynkes, Zidane are all on significantly more or at better clubs. Ancelloti is out of work so 6 million a year might be appealing, just a thought though!!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Major Clanger on November 07, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
So profound :snigger:

If I told you a year ago that people would be welcoming Allardyce at Everton with open arms, you'd have laughed in my face and rightly so.

Obviously we haven't changed much in that time and neither has he. So what exactly happened here?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 05:04:56 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/927845510509146112
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blargins on November 07, 2017, 05:05:56 PM
Sorry but you can't argue with any of this article !

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11116569/sam-allardyce-to-everton-how-could-his-methods-help-them
I can.

Weíve won more than 3 games in all competitions this season. I believe we have won 7 games in all competitions.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: montanatoffeefan on November 07, 2017, 05:07:21 PM
Why would Ancelotti want to come to us?

Erm maybe because we could pay a lot of money

So that theory would equally apply to Pochetino, Guardiola, Mourinho, Heynkes, Zidane wouldn't it .
Why not go after one of them 😀

Because they're currently all employed at clubs in far better positions domestically than we are and heading for the Champions League knockout stage.

And because they're all already getting paid a lot of money.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 05:13:33 PM
Because they're currently all employed at clubs in far better positions domestically than we are and heading for the Champions League knockout stage.

And because they're all already getting paid a lot of money.

This reply also for Walzer - My point is if money is the only object then everyone has their price, to suggest that Ancelloti would be interested purely because of the money is unrealistic, as unrealistic as the prospect of any of those other names, whether he is employed or not, he is sufficiently wealthy enough not to grasp at straws.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 07, 2017, 05:21:28 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/927845510509146112

Thatís made my day.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/1k2VsY6SdeMpi/giphy.gif)
<walks down corridor, jumps up and clicks heels>
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 05:22:09 PM
If I told you a year ago that people would be welcoming Allardyce at Everton with open arms, you'd have laughed in my face and rightly so.

Obviously we haven't changed much in that time and neither has he. So what exactly happened here?

I guess the answer to that question is a year ago we had far higher expectations of what we could achieve than now.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: plumber on November 07, 2017, 05:27:52 PM

And because they're all already getting paid a lot of money.

Ancelotti is getting paid by Bayern till the end of the season. And next season some bigger clubs than Everton will almost certainly offer him a job.

Ancelotti coming to Everton is as much realistic as buying Draxler or James Rodriguez.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Major Clanger on November 07, 2017, 05:28:16 PM
I guess the answer to that question is a year ago we had far higher expectations of what we could achieve than now.

But even a month ago most people would've baulked at the very idea.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: weeverfish on November 07, 2017, 05:28:24 PM
If sams in im out .major step backwards
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 05:33:46 PM
And indeed some still do but your question asks what has changed in a year, a year ago we were fairly confident of a top 6 finish this season, we knew that our world class manager had two transfer windows left before the start of the season and the promise of a war chest to buy whoever he wanted, what could possibly go wrong !
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 05:38:10 PM
Thatís made my day.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/1k2VsY6SdeMpi/giphy.gif)
<walks down corridor, jumps up and clicks heels>

Here's footage of me and my mum from earlier today, 20 seconds into the clip

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Hawkandro on November 07, 2017, 06:22:48 PM
Ancelotti is getting paid by Bayern till the end of the season. And next season some bigger clubs than Everton will almost certainly offer him a job.

Ancelotti coming to Everton is as much realistic as buying Draxler or James Rodriguez.


#WelcomeDraxler
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 07, 2017, 06:22:58 PM
initially i was against him.. still am kinda.. but from what i've read, he wants us to move the ball faster, to win the ball from knockdowns, play the ball upfield more.. to use width and pace..

everything we have lost.

still not sure.. but i have to put my personal opinions of him to the side, and rate him on his managerial attributes (which i dont really rate)

hope we get someone else.. but i dont really mind if we get sam now :S

which fucking sucks, as im sure Unsworth would do a better job.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2017, 07:17:30 PM
Can't stand him, don't want him associated with the club. Couldn't give a toss how 'effective' he is. We're a win away from mid-table, and 4 points behind 8th in the league. No need for panic stations or awful short-term appointments.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 07:24:47 PM
Can't stand him, don't want him associated with the club. Couldn't give a toss how 'effective' he is. We're a win away from mid-table, and 4 points behind 8th in the league. No need for panic stations or awful short-term appointments.

Exactly!!

Hiring Allardyce stinks of desperation, keep saying it, but the thought of him as our manager really does make me sick
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: boothill on November 07, 2017, 07:35:54 PM
If he is so bloody good, then why didnt the bloody hammers want him back
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 07:37:51 PM
If he is so bloody good, then why didnt the bloody hammers want him back

Who said they didn't ?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: ally2 on November 07, 2017, 07:40:06 PM
I think there's a serious underestimation of our predicament and Allardyce's proven abilities to stabilise and improve teams in our current situation. Heaven only knows how we won on Sunday. We belong in 19th and our squad is a mess. Those who advocate Allardyce are not necessarily saying that he's what we want, but he is probably what we need.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: boothill on November 07, 2017, 07:40:38 PM
Who said they didn't ?
It would have been all over the news, sams pr team couldnt resist it, the self induced negative way hes viewed
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2017, 07:42:01 PM
Marco Silva's interview the other day sounded like he was lifting his skirt for us, which surprised me. Made me think he might be gettable now.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 07:44:27 PM
Marco Silva's interview the other day sounded like he was lifting his skirt for us, which surprised me. Made me think he might be gettable now.

Alan Brazil apparently said this morning that we have already held lengthy discussions with Watford about Silva's availability
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ross on November 07, 2017, 08:02:16 PM
If he is so bloody good, then why didnt the bloody hammers want him back

Apparently their owners donít like appointing managers who are contracted elsewhere because of the compensation pay outs, and part of the agreement with Allardyce leaving Palace was a deal he didnít take another job in the league this season and if he does Palace are due £2m in compensation.

Sounds plausible.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: boothill on November 07, 2017, 08:06:08 PM
Apparently their owners don't like appointing managers who are contracted elsewhere because of the compensation pay outs, and part of the agreement with Allardyce leaving Palace was a deal he didn't take another job in the league this season and if he does Palace are due £2m in compensation.

Sounds plausible.
But if he was that good surely they'ed of paid that, not a lot in footy terms
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2017, 08:06:16 PM
I think there's a serious underestimation of our predicament and Allardyce's proven abilities to stabilise and improve teams in our current situation. Heaven only knows how we won on Sunday. We belong in 19th and our squad is a mess. Those who advocate Allardyce are not necessarily saying that he's what we want, but he is probably what we need.

I see it the opposite way.

We've been garbage all season. Absolutely atrocious. We all agree on that. And we're 4 points behind 8th in the league, having played all of the top teams bar Liverpool!

Does that not tell you how poor the bottom half of the Prem is? And, for me, it says that it would take relatively little to guide us to 10th or higher. We're not in dire straits, and we don't need to resort to the lowest common denominator.

Stay calm, make a good appointment. Leave the Allardyces of the world for clubs like West Ham. That's not Everton. We don't have 10 games left in the season, needing 15 points.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 07, 2017, 08:12:04 PM
Marco Silva's interview the other day sounded like he was lifting his skirt for us, which surprised me. Made me think he might be gettable now.

Of course he's gettable, he's achieved fuck all so far and we pay a lot of money. His team just threw away a 2-0 lead at an Everton in turmoil, it stinks of Martinez.

Watford are playing some nice stuff at time but that's not enough. Dyche is a better option IMO, as he's overachieved for longer in the English leagues.

But how can you be so against Allardyce but so in favour of Silva? He's too much of a risk.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ross on November 07, 2017, 08:14:01 PM
But if he was that good surely they'ed of paid that, not a lot in footy terms

Guess it depends on how strongly they feel about the compensation thing.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2017, 08:23:00 PM
Of course he's gettable, he's achieved fuck all so far and we pay a lot of money. His team just threw away a 2-0 lead at an Everton in turmoil, it stinks of Martinez.

Watford are playing some nice stuff at time but that's not enough. Dyche is a better option IMO, as he's overachieved for longer in the English leagues.

But how can you be so against Allardyce but so in favour of Silva? He's too much of a risk.

I meant surprised that he's 'gettable' in terms of only just starting a new job, not in terms of the profile of the two clubs.

Let's knock this lazy Silva-Martinez parallel on the head. Silva's achieved things in football.

He got his first club (Estoril) promoted in his first season, and then led them to 5th in the top flight next season. Their second best finish ever.

He got the Sporting job and won their first trophy for 6 years immediately and finished 3rd in the league. He was fired for not wearing the club's official suit.

He then led Olympiacos on a record 17 wins in a row in his first season there, won the league with 6 games to go, beat Arsenal that season as well.

Then Hull and Watford, which we all know about.

He's not just some chomp who has turned up overnight. He's a proper manager with substance and a transferable way of playing well in different clubs in different leagues. His players love him. Don't make such an absurd, rash judgement based on losing one game at an angry Goodison.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 07, 2017, 08:29:18 PM
my first choice is still Silva, then Tuchel then Unsworth (rather have unsy than Allerdice)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Robioto on November 07, 2017, 09:27:52 PM
my first choice is still Silva, then Tuchel then Unsworth (rather have unsy than Allerdice)

The best decimation of the spelling of Allardyce yet. :)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 09:46:06 PM
What about Allerdise?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 07, 2017, 10:00:33 PM
Silva was my original vote, and I stand by it.

There should be absolutely no price on our honour, therefore Allardyce even being considered is shocking.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 11:23:33 PM
What about Allerdise?

Or Allardyce even ?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 11:36:31 PM
I don't really get this Martinez silva thing. Is it based on 1 game. Do we proclaim Sigurdsson the new Lionel Messi if he's brilliant next week?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Brownie20 on November 07, 2017, 11:42:20 PM
I don't really get this Martinez silva thing. Is it based on 1 game. Do we proclaim Sigurdsson the new Lionel Messi if he's brilliant next week?

In the PL maybe - as was my initial thought. However, when you have a look at his record prior to that it's very positive.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: duncandisorderly on November 08, 2017, 12:12:58 AM
I'd take Allardyce as a short term option until the end of the season, then look at it again. I think we are in more trouble than some believe, we don't score a lot of goals and our defence is terrible, our goal difference is dreadful and we will probably be in this battle all season, whoever comes in. I'd prefer someone experienced in getting out of it than a gamble on an unknown, consolidate then push on next season. We've played over 1/4 of a season so i don't think it is panicking to plan for a worst case scenario (relegation battle), its prudence and i think that's how our owners will be viewing it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 08, 2017, 12:35:15 AM
I'd  rathe keep Unsy and back him up with Joe Royal who has strong management history and has actually won a trophy. Allerdyce is a panic move.. the win the other night might have been lucky but luck has been needed. Leave Unsy in post for the next few games as he may have turned the corner with us. A mercenary like fat head will still be around if shit happens.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheTone on November 08, 2017, 01:17:22 AM
this international break is going to top all international breaks innit
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blue1948 on November 08, 2017, 01:21:31 AM
What about Allerdise?
That is plural.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: cantoffee on November 08, 2017, 01:25:22 AM
That is plural.
Allerdises.

The Greek God of Big Heads and Jowls.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 08, 2017, 01:53:57 AM
Allerdises.

The Greek God of Big Heads and Jowls.

almost sounds like sam matterface...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: therealdunc on November 08, 2017, 01:29:14 PM
Silva was my original vote, and I stand by it.

There should be absolutely no price on our honour, therefore Allardyce even being considered is shocking.

Honour  :laugh:

Everton and itís fans have done plenty of dishonourable things over the years, donít start moralising

Our current chairman Mr Kenwright has a long history of lies and decieving our fans.

Honour  lolol
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Cuttyblue on November 08, 2017, 03:55:13 PM
1/5 odds at the bookies for Big Sam.

Have no innate desire to see him as our manager, but the perma-contrarian side of me wants to run against the pack as usual.

I'm ready to back whoever we get.  I DO hope that if it is Allardyce, that it's a short contract/"prove to us that you are more than an escape artist - I expect challenging the top-6 every year."

West Ham fans embarrassing themselves, "deserve better" than the former Everton and Utd manager.  You don't deserve anything.

 
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Lincs Toffee on November 08, 2017, 04:21:42 PM
Posted this in the Unsworth thread too:

I wouldn't say I would be happy, but more accepting if it was Unsworth and Allardyce 'til the end of the season, in the view that we are getting Simeone or similar for a longer term, however my only reservation there would be the type of players bought in the January transfer window, Strikers yes but what calibre ?...hmmm Caroll or Crouch !! The new long term manager wouldn't be buying them, but who really knows what the fuck is going on, we just have to wait and see in the next week or so then we can comment accordingly.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 08, 2017, 04:55:44 PM
1/5 odds at the bookies for Big Sam.

Have no innate desire to see him as our manager, but the perma-contrarian side of me wants to run against the pack as usual.

I'm ready to back whoever we get.  I DO hope that if it is Allardyce, that it's a short contract/"prove to us that you are more than an escape artist - I expect challenging the top-6 every year."

West Ham fans embarrassing themselves, "deserve better" than the former Everton and Utd manager.  You don't deserve anything.

 

He's over 2to1 on the exchange the truth is no one has a clue and the bookies have panicked
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 08, 2017, 05:11:24 PM
Steve Walsh can fuck right off if he's the one driving this Allardyce-Shakespeare idea, as the press are reporting. Bomb him out of the club, the bellend.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 08, 2017, 05:39:00 PM
If anything could possibly make the appointment of Allardyce worse than it would be it would be the additional appointment of that snake Shakespeare, I didn't buy that "Ranieris sacking had nothing to do with me" bollocks in the least, his smug I'm Billy big balls attitude immediately after Ranieris sacking was nauseating.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 08, 2017, 06:18:43 PM
Steve Walsh can fuck right off if he's the one driving this Allardyce-Shakespeare idea, as the press are reporting. Bomb him out of the club, the bellend.

Which press?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GLewis on November 08, 2017, 06:20:57 PM
Which press?

Been in a few (Guardian off top of my head).
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 08, 2017, 06:23:20 PM
Been in a few (Guardian off top of my head).

Ta, not had chance to browse today. I assumed BD wouldn't be quoting the sun or mail or other such bastions of footballing truth.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GLewis on November 08, 2017, 06:25:50 PM
Ta, not had chance to browse today. I assumed BD wouldn't be quoting the sun or mail or other such bastions of footballing truth.

Been mentioned on sky today.

Think it was in the Guardian last few days.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MrWhite on November 08, 2017, 06:26:22 PM
Ta, not had chance to browse today. I assumed BD wouldn't be quoting the sun or mail or other such bastions of footballing truth.

From the independent:

Quote
It is fair to say as well that Marco Silva is Moshiriís preference but his recruitment is more complicated contractually, and should he choose Allardyce instead - following the advice from Director of Football Steve Walsh
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GLewis on November 08, 2017, 06:27:06 PM
I remember when we were linked with signing Paul Ince (not the first time round when he was at Inter) and there was a massive negative reaction from the fans.

Always felt that we leaked that to test the waters.

Could well be the same here, I think.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MrWhite on November 08, 2017, 06:33:07 PM
hmm.. it appears that Walsh's brother Mickey is the agent of Steve, Shakespeare and Nigel Pearson!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 06:40:18 PM
Pearson, eh?!

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 08, 2017, 06:42:53 PM
Ta, not had chance to browse today. I assumed BD wouldn't be quoting the sun or mail or other such bastions of footballing truth.

Saw it on the Echo website, quoting Sky Sports.

Seriously though re: Moshiri wanting Silva (if accurate), it's the most important position at the club. Nevermind haggling over contracts and fees. If we've been willing to pay £45m for a good but not exceptional player, pay whatever it takes to get the manager you want.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MrWhite on November 08, 2017, 06:43:42 PM
1/5 odds at the bookies for Big Sam.

Have no innate desire to see him as our manager, but the perma-contrarian side of me wants to run against the pack as usual.

I'm ready to back whoever we get.  I DO hope that if it is Allardyce, that it's a short contract/"prove to us that you are more than an escape artist - I expect challenging the top-6 every year."

West Ham fans embarrassing themselves, "deserve better" than the former Everton and Utd manager.  You don't deserve anything.

Odds have now changed quite a lot, after the press the last two days a lot of people must have put money on Sam. Current best odds on him are 6/4, and Rhino has shot back in as he has the same best odds right now.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MrWhite on November 08, 2017, 06:48:14 PM
Saw it on the Echo website, quoting Sky Sports.

Seriously though re: Moshiri wanting Silva (if accurate), it's the most important position at the club. Nevermind haggling over contracts and fees. If we've been willing to pay £45m for a good but not exceptional player, pay whatever it takes to get the manager you want.

At a guess the problem isn't money. It's both Watford and Silva being willing at this point. If it was the summer I think it would be different, but Watford won't want to let him go now, even if he is willing to jump ship so soon when doing fairly well. I suspect Moshiri and Bill are currently trying to figure out how to get by until May at which point Silva has a break clause in his contract that would make it simple.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheRam on November 08, 2017, 06:48:28 PM
Walsh needs to fuck off asap.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 06:50:13 PM
Unsy's done enough for me with the handling of Mirallas and Schneiderlin - leadership material, let him have the manager's job on a six month trial

Gotta learn fast, Unsy!

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 08, 2017, 06:55:40 PM
Odds have now changed quite a lot, after the press the last two days a lot of people must have put money on Sam. Current best odds on him are 6/4, and Rhino has shot back in as he has the same best odds right now.

Unsworth is the 2/1 favourite now on the exchange. Was 20/1 before the Watford game
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MrWhite on November 08, 2017, 07:09:50 PM
Unsworth is the 2/1 favourite now on the exchange. Was 20/1 before the Watford game
the question is why are punters suddenly backing Unsworth? Allardyce and Dyche bets have been driven by the press, but I've not read anything today about Unsworth staying in charge. I guess it could be because yesterday when it appeared the Allardyce story was done, Unsworth was at over 10/1, a few people took a punt and the bookies are covering themselves.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 08, 2017, 07:19:50 PM
Unsy's done enough for me with the handling of Mirallas and Schneiderlin - leadership material, let him have the manager's job on a six month trial

Gotta learn fast, Unsy!



So nothing to do with any tactical nous? And why not give it to big Dunc, he was the one that apparently sent them home, not Unsworth:

The Liverpool Echo claimed that the pair's attitude during a session at Finch Farm on Saturday was questioned by assistant coach Big Dunc, who proceeded to send them both off the pitch to get changed.

The legendary ex-Toffees striker was allegedly unhappy with the lack of effort being shown.

He suggested that Mirallas and Schneiderlin either shape up or go get changed, and reports say they opted for the second option before they were told to go home from the training ground.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 08, 2017, 07:25:00 PM
Watford have 15 points and have lost the last 3 . That is the same as they were with Walter Mazzari and they beat Manchester Utd and Arsenal before Xmas . Why is Silva such a big deal after nearly keeping hull up ( with the help of our Oumar ) and after 10 games in charge of Watford ? We need to look outside the Premier League for once and get a proper structure in place for the future as Kramer pointed out so well .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 07:25:16 PM
Good on Big Dunc - sounds like Kendall was right in 2013, management material

In that case, yes, put him in charge (appears that he is?)

A lot of coaches have tactical nous but they can't lead - essential for a manager

And if both players opted to go home, transfer list them both



Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 08, 2017, 07:34:39 PM
I know Lille are doing really bad this year but I still wouldnt mind Marcelo Bielsa coming in, really well regarded in the World of football and would certainly shake things up
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Trowel on November 08, 2017, 07:37:48 PM
Steve Walsh can fuck right off if he's the one driving this Allardyce-Shakespeare idea, as the press are reporting.
Let's remember this is the same press who at the start of the week were convinced that Moshiri had already held talks with Allardyce.

I'm starting to suspect the press may make controversial things up just to get people to read their website :shock:
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 07:45:53 PM
Whilst managing Bury, ex Everton player Martin Dobson introduced, then PE teacher, Steve Walsh to football scouting

Great player, Dobo - better than Brooking!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Cassius on November 08, 2017, 07:48:47 PM
It's all gone a bit Marco Boogers in here.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 08, 2017, 08:34:44 PM
the question is why are punters suddenly backing Unsworth? Allardyce and Dyche bets have been driven by the press, but I've not read anything today about Unsworth staying in charge. I guess it could be because yesterday when it appeared the Allardyce story was done, Unsworth was at over 10/1, a few people took a punt and the bookies are covering themselves.

My guess would be it's because he's in the seat currently and there doesn't seem to be an outcome before the next game. He wins that he becomes more likely
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 09:01:50 PM
Something decisive by the Palace game, surely?

Need some sort of stability, short term or long term

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blue1948 on November 08, 2017, 09:09:11 PM
Let's remember this is the same press who at the start of the week were convinced that Moshiri had already held talks with Allardyce.

I'm starting to suspect the press may make controversial things up just to get people to read their website :shock:

What how can you think that !!!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: blue1948 on November 08, 2017, 09:11:50 PM
Well the latest is big Sam wants more than this season and has taken his hat out of the ring ,coupled with Moyes getting the West ham job , -I am off for a J Arthur Rank whilst the going is good .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MrWhite on November 08, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
My guess would be it's because he's in the seat currently and there doesn't seem to be an outcome before the next game. He wins that he becomes more likely

Maybe, but odds on Silva have now been falling for the last hour.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 08, 2017, 09:16:30 PM
Maybe, but odds on Silva have now been falling for the last hour.

Mainly it's no one knows. Dyche and big Sam have both been on the brink and both them stories now appear to be false (at least at the time) people need a new favourite though the reality is it could still be 1 of the old favourites. These markets are often like this. No one has a clue but plenty like to pretend they do
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 08, 2017, 10:13:47 PM
I think there's a serious underestimation of our predicament and Allardyce's proven abilities to stabilise and improve teams in our current situation. Heaven only knows how we won on Sunday. We belong in 19th and our squad is a mess. Those who advocate Allardyce are not necessarily saying that he's what we want, but he is probably what we need.
Agreed. Canít bring myself to say I want Allerdyce but we certainly need an organiser.

Teams donít go from conceding goals and playing shite football to progressive, pressing tica-taca. First and foremost, you sort the defence out and get organic. Got the basics right and then build on that platform.

Yes we are a win away from mid table and a couple more from European places...but weíve been dire every single game and there is no evidence weíve turned the corner and can go in a run of wins. This isnít a blip, this is us.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 08, 2017, 10:25:04 PM
Something decisive by the Palace game, surely?

Need some sort of stability, short term or long term
Itís rolling on and on isnít it? Which would be fine if by some miracle we did get Simeone. But weíll get Allerdyce anyway and heíll have about one training session with the players before the Palace game.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Gary1878 on November 08, 2017, 10:27:27 PM
I don't see why Unsworth shouldn't be given the job until January.

He knows the players best and the way that the club works, and unless we can get a proper long term replacement in now, then I don't see what a new manager will really bring to the table.

The run of fixtures that we have between now and January is about as easy as the Premier League gets, so i would expect us to start picking up points whoever is in charge.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: therealdunc on November 08, 2017, 10:37:08 PM
Maybe because he couldnít beat Chelsea reserves?

Got it completely wrong against Leicester?

Another awful performance against Lyon?

Or is it the lucky win vs Watford relying on Tom cleverly to miss a pen?

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 08, 2017, 10:44:47 PM
I don't see why Unsworth shouldn't be given the job until January.

He knows the players best and the way that the club works, and unless we can get a proper long term replacement in now, then I don't see what a new manager will really bring to the table.

The run of fixtures that we have between now and January is about as easy as the Premier League gets, so i would expect us to start picking up points whoever is in charge.



It's all very well saying they are easy but what happens if they go against us. I'm not saying he shouldn't just a little amazed that having watched us this season people assume we are going to suddenly start outplaying teams and picking up results.

Honestly I'd take a draw at palace now. They have been playing better than us recently.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 08, 2017, 10:46:22 PM
Maybe because he couldnít beat Chelsea reserves?

Got it completely wrong against Leicester?

Another awful performance against Lyon?

Or is it the lucky win vs Watford relying on Tom cleverly to miss a pen?



Think that's a bit harsh though. "Chelsea reserves" are easily a top 8 team and I thought we matched Lyon for a long while. Big risk with unsworth but he's not done too badly so far.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Gary1878 on November 08, 2017, 10:50:46 PM
It's all very well saying they are easy but what happens if they go against us. I'm not saying he shouldn't just a little amazed that having watched us this season people assume we are going to suddenly start outplaying teams and picking up results.

Honestly I'd take a draw at palace now. They have been playing better than us recently.

But what if a new manager comes in and results go against us? Any decision in life comes with a risk that it doesn't work out. The risk surely reduces with a guy that knows Everton and that has motivated the players to produce their first win in 9 games. I think he is as good a option as any available right now.

Sometimes, having a bit of patience and biding your time can be the best decision.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: therealdunc on November 08, 2017, 10:52:20 PM
Think that's a bit harsh though. "Chelsea reserves" are easily a top 8 team and I thought we matched Lyon for a long while. Big risk with unsworth but he's not done too badly so far.

I disagree Chelsea reserves would get top 8, but thatís a matter of opinion and can be debated.

The fact that canít be debated is we lost, we lost 3 out of 4 games.

Unsworth has his chance and is clearly not up to it.
Nice guy, not a good manager for menís first 11 premier league football.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 08, 2017, 10:58:20 PM
I disagree Chelsea reserves would get top 8, but thatís a matter of opinion and can be debated.

The fact that canít be debated is we lost, we lost 3 out of 4 games.

Unsworth has his chance and is clearly not up to it.
Nice guy, not a good manager for menís first 11 premier league football.

I'm not saying you're wrong. The reality is no one actually knows if he's currently a good manager. Losing 3 out of 4 games certainly isn't enough to decide that.

Personally I think unsworth would be too much of a risk in our current state. I think it would massively increase our chances of going down just because we have no clue if unsworth is good great or poor. I'd sooner big Sam. Someone who's proven on a short term deal. Try before we buy with a little more confidence of a base level. Unlike most I'd be open to him staying too if the results were decent
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: therealdunc on November 08, 2017, 11:01:29 PM
I agree Big Sam is the sensible choice.

But to many of the Everton fan base are either romantic and want an evertonian in charge (like that actually matters) despite having no proven management ability where it matters with Unsworth

Or are after a manager way beyond our current reach such as a simeone or anchelotti

People seem to forget how badly run Everton where under Kenwright and how many missed opportunities and masses of stagnation the club suffered from.

Moshiri has a big job turning it around
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: colin on November 08, 2017, 11:09:24 PM
I disagree Chelsea reserves would get top 8, but thatís a matter of opinion and can be debated.

The fact that canít be debated is we lost, we lost 3 out of 4 games.

Unsworth has his chance and is clearly not up to it.
Nice guy, not a good manager for menís first 11 premier league football.

Cahill, Rudiger, Christensen, Drinkwater, Fabregas, Batshuayi, Morata, Pedro, Willian are hardly reserves. Mostly all of them would jump straight into our starting line up. They threw a couple young players in the squad, same as we did.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 11:11:00 PM
I don't think results would have been much different with this squad - a new manager would say the same, "It's early doors, I need to get to know the players and find the right formation"

Giving it to Unsworth until January would almost mean being in the same boat - not knowing what might happen from then until the end of the season, especially if results plummet. A new manager in the new year would need more time yet again to settle in

Unsworth for the rest of the season or brand new appointment by the Palace game, for the sake of the players at least - they need certainty

And don't forget, Allardyce does not guarantee safety - although he would appear a safe bet

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ridge on November 08, 2017, 11:11:31 PM
Market moves are subject to opinions, and while they are more accurate data than just opinion alone. There are speculators, bookies, traders who will invest / sell purely because of market moves. If everyone starts trading out their risk as odds drop, it creates a market instructed by its own movement.

Allardyce was never wanted as a longer term appointment and he will want security and money. Allardyce is a horrible fit in the circumstances, for club and ambition. He's a manager similar to Koeman, rigid, defensive, organised, loud and the loudest prick in a room of cocks.

If you need to dig yourself out of a hole, he can raise the bar, but leaves behind a strangled turd of a team. You have to have pretty low expectations in life to think he's a good choice.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Gary1878 on November 08, 2017, 11:14:08 PM
I agree Big Sam is the sensible choice.

But to many of the Everton fan base are either romantic and want an evertonian in charge (like that actually matters) despite having no proven management ability where it matters with Unsworth

Or are after a manager way beyond our current reach such as a simeone or anchelotti

People seem to forget how badly run Everton where under Kenwright and how many missed opportunities and masses of stagnation the club suffered from.

Moshiri has a big job turning it around

Allardyce has an average track record at best. He keeps clubs up but that's it, and that is not what we should be aiming for, even in our current position.

One of my good friends supports West Ham and he said that the football under big Sam was utterly dire. It would be like getting a worse version of Koeman, and what would be the point in that?!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MrWhite on November 08, 2017, 11:15:06 PM
Big Sam would be a very negative choice.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Major Clanger on November 08, 2017, 11:19:58 PM
And don't forget, Allardyce does not guarantee safety - although he would appear a safe bet

What he guarantees though is an utter fucking mess at the end of his tenure.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 11:25:52 PM
Yep!

Unfortunately, our negative situation suits his style - play with grit and grind it out

It's not going to be neat football
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 08, 2017, 11:28:12 PM
Every single Everton fan ive spoken to over the last few days have all said the same thing, we don't want Allardyce anywhere near Everton, nobody wants him here, well apart from a few strange people on here
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2017, 12:30:56 AM
Every single Everton fan ive spoken to over the last few days have all said the same thing, we don't want Allardyce anywhere near Everton, nobody wants him here, well apart from a few strange people on here

If it comes down to unsworth for the season, allardyce for the season or dyche for 5 years?? I think that's where we are at now. Most of the options people voted for either aren't available now or not at all.

I like dyche. I'd be happy with him but most are equally horrified by him and it would mean a much longer commitment. Unsworth is the romantic choice but short term we'd be taking a much bigger risk with our top flight position.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Jamokachi on November 09, 2017, 04:54:48 AM
Watford have 15 points and have lost the last 3 . That is the same as they were with Walter Mazzari and they beat Manchester Utd and Arsenal before Xmas . Why is Silva such a big deal after nearly keeping hull up ( with the help of our Oumar ) and after 10 games in charge of Watford ? We need to look outside the Premier League for once and get a proper structure in place for the future as Kramer pointed out so well .

The irony being that Silva was brought in by Hull on the strength of what he had achieved outside of the PL, where you want us to look. Look at his achievements, they go far beyond "nearly keeping Hull up".
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Trowel on November 09, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
Allardyce has again said he's not been talking to Everton.

https://twitter.com/SportsBreakfast/status/928529314903191552
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: brap2 on November 09, 2017, 02:13:18 PM
If it was allardyce or unsworth I think I’d rather allardyce.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 09, 2017, 02:16:45 PM
Allardyce has again said he's not been talking to Everton.

https://twitter.com/SportsBreakfast/status/928529314903191552

Good! Fuck off Allardyce
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: School of Science on November 09, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
Much as I like Unsworth, we are in desperate need of a striker a decent one, would having a caretaker manager such as Unsworth, be able to attract one.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 03:02:23 PM
Probably not - and that's the dilemma

Can we hold out and stay clear of relegation with a temporary manager and the squad we've got?

This is probably what the board are thinking(and wanting) with Unsworth but are hesitant in case it backfires - risky
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheTone on November 09, 2017, 04:56:50 PM
Allardyce has again said he's not been talking to Everton.

https://twitter.com/SportsBreakfast/status/928529314903191552

4 mugs in that
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 04:59:11 PM
Smug Sam!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Lxxx on November 09, 2017, 05:05:26 PM
Any man who is considering entering the jungle on a celebrity TV show should not under any circumstances be considered for the Everton job at the same time.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 05:13:28 PM
File under:

In it for the money

Enough said
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Lxxx on November 09, 2017, 05:18:11 PM
'You know worra mean like'
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 09, 2017, 05:22:08 PM
File under

Fat corrupt fucker, who is a shit manager, always has been, always will be and should never be linked with us ever.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 09, 2017, 05:23:12 PM
Well at least he talks very nicely about us  :)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 05:29:41 PM
He wants the job!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Lxxx on November 09, 2017, 05:33:20 PM
He wants the job!

Of course he does. He saw Koeman's wage, sees the predicament we're in and realises him and his team are set for life with this payday.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 09, 2017, 05:48:36 PM
He wants the job!

So do I
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 05:51:45 PM
That makes three of us!

Oh well, there's always the jungle....................... .....
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 09, 2017, 06:03:28 PM
Iím still laughing at The Ramís Ďcholesterol faceí!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 09, 2017, 06:06:02 PM
He wants the job!

If he gets a job as manager of any Premiership club before next season he has to pay West Ham £2million
pounds of his compensation back so you can bet that £2 million will be on top of whatever salary he wants, I reckon he's tried it on with us and we've told him to fuck off.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2017, 06:19:49 PM
Of course he does. He saw Koeman's wage, sees the predicament we're in and realises him and his team are set for life with this payday.

Set for life? I doubt very much he's hard up.

People seem to want to make this about lots of things it isn't. No one (of reasonably sound mind) has a genuine moral objection to him.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Lxxx on November 09, 2017, 06:22:14 PM
Set for life? I doubt very much he's hard up.

People seem to want to make this about lots of things it isn't. No one (of reasonably sound mind) has a genuine moral objection to him.
He very well may be, but he still involves himself in the proverbial brown paper bag side of the game, which proved his downfall as England manager.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Ross on November 09, 2017, 06:28:45 PM
Set for life? I doubt very much he's hard up.

People seem to want to make this about lots of things it isn't. No one (of reasonably sound mind) has a genuine moral objection to him.

Id say that a lot of people on here with sound mind actually object to Allardcye partly because he has no morals given the constant corruption stories that have surfaced over his career and donít want someone with such a lack of morality associated with the club.

That coupled with the fact his teams play god awful negative football is enough for most of sound mind to hope heís never Everton manager.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2017, 09:55:05 PM
Id say that a lot of people on here with sound mind actually object to Allardcye partly because he has no morals given the constant corruption stories that have surfaced over his career and donít want someone with such a lack of morality associated with the club.

That coupled with the fact his teams play god awful negative football is enough for most of sound mind to hope heís never Everton manager.

Only because of the football side. They'd not be 1 objection if it was guardiola with the same issues outside football. Think people should at least be honest as to why they don't want him
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: kramer0 on November 09, 2017, 10:09:36 PM
Only because of the football side. They'd not be 1 objection if it was guardiola with the same issues outside football. Think people should at least be honest as to why they don't want him

Oh yeah.

I'd probably have a corrupt manager who's also a Brendan Rodgers level cringe-bag if he was on par with Guardiola/Pochettino in terms of tactical nous, man management, and player development.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on November 09, 2017, 10:11:35 PM
Only because of the football side. They'd not be 1 objection if it was guardiola with the same issues outside football. Think people should at least be honest as to why they don't want him
Cos he's absolute mercenary money grabbing shit ...and only good enough for relegation fodder ...which we are not ....not after 11 games anyway .
That truthful enough ?.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2017, 10:17:39 PM
Cos he's absolute mercenary money grabbing shit ...and only good enough for relegation fodder ...which we are not ....not after 11 games anyway .
That truthful enough ?.

He works for money??? The absolute shame.

Again you wouldn't care if he was a money grabber if you rated him.

I'm not saying people are wrong. You're all entitled to your opinions but don't try and make it about a load of nonsense you don't really care about. Don't try and make it a moral objection when in reality you just don't rate him
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 09, 2017, 10:59:55 PM
The irony being that Silva was brought in by Hull on the strength of what he had achieved outside of the PL, where you want us to look. Look at his achievements, they go far beyond "nearly keeping Hull up".

Now I know you like to wind me up but 'achievements ' ? Are you serious ? sacked by Sporting and Olympiacos ( who normally win the 1 horse race Greek League ) and relegated with Hull . Man for the job then .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on November 09, 2017, 11:03:19 PM
He works for money??? The absolute shame.

Again you wouldn't care if he was a money grabber if you rated him.

I'm not saying people are wrong. You're all entitled to your opinions but don't try and make it about a load of nonsense you don't really care about. Don't try and make it a moral objection when in reality you just don't rate him
I also said he was shit. ..but I guess you chose to miss that .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2017, 11:07:53 PM
I also said he was shit. ..but I guess you chose to miss that .

No I realise that. All I'm saying is thats really all it's about. I don't know why people make it a moral issue. Just say I don't want him I think he's shit
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 09, 2017, 11:13:26 PM
No I realise that. All I'm saying is thats really all it's about. I don't know why people make it a moral issue. Just say I don't want him I think he's shit

That's what we've all said to be fair
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2017, 11:15:38 PM
That's what we've all said to be fair

You have but it's been as well as moral objections. It's all a bit Joey Barton because people don't rate him.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 09, 2017, 11:17:14 PM
Yep!

Unfortunately, our negative situation suits his style - play with grit and grind it out

It's not going to be neat football

I'm in my fifties and can't ever remember Everton playing neat football.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Major Clanger on November 09, 2017, 11:23:50 PM
I'm not saying people are wrong. You're all entitled to your opinions but don't try and make it about a load of nonsense you don't really care about. Don't try and make it a moral objection when in reality you just don't rate him

I hear you but "You're only bringing this corruption thing up cos he's a shit manager as well" is just not a very convincing argument. :)

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 09, 2017, 11:25:00 PM
In the interview he mentioned our history. He gets us; it's all falling into place.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheRam on November 09, 2017, 11:25:57 PM
No I realise that. All I'm saying is thats really all it's about. I don't know why people make it a moral issue. Just say I don't want him I think he's shit

I don't want him and also think the fat bag of giblets is a corrupt cunt who shouldn't even be near managing us and the fact he's even considered is a disgrace.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 11:29:59 PM
I think another thing is, we don't really go for those who have managed a lot of clubs, not in England, anyway

Allardyce has become a bit of a club hopper, that doesn't really appeal: "Not our man", etc

To put it crudely - prepared to "prostitute" himself, which brings us back to money and the nature of the business

No more Ferguson or Wenger eras, that's for sure


(I'm 57 and we played neat football from 1968-70 and from 1984-87 - bloody neat!)





Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 09, 2017, 11:38:34 PM
If he had an ounce of integrity he wouldn't take a job with a club who effectively want him till the end of the season at which point they intend finding someone better . We don't need him to keep us up .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 09, 2017, 11:43:41 PM
I'm in my fifties and can't ever remember Everton playing neat football.

Doesn't your memory stretch all the way back to Martinez's first season or Moyes' team with Pienaar, Arteta etc passing teams off the park?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 09, 2017, 11:57:34 PM
Doesn't your memory stretch all the way back to Martinez's first season or Moyes' team with Pienaar, Arteta etc passing teams off the park?
All too brief I'm afraid.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Jamokachi on November 10, 2017, 01:39:15 AM
Now I know you like to wind me up but 'achievements ' ? Are you serious ? sacked by Sporting and Olympiacos ( who normally win the 1 horse race Greek League ) and relegated with Hull . Man for the job then .

A young manager who has actually won stuff, I'm not taking the piss...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 10, 2017, 02:04:38 AM
All too brief I'm afraid.

So the argument that you often trot out that Evertonians are too precious about 'good football' appears to be that you don't like good football, or aren't particularly bothered about it. Well that's sound for you, and each to their own. But the reaction to Allardyce from many people should tell you that plenty of us are bothered about the brand of football. In addition to that, the way people went big for Martinez's style in his first season and the way many of us enjoyed Moyes's team as it evolved with Bainaar, Arteta etc should tell you that plenty of us do value good football.

A lot of the time in the last 20-30 years the reason we haven't played good football is because we've had no money, and therefore had crap players who could only do limited things, not because we haven't wanted to see it. Yes, we do like high energy, in their faces type stuff and that's part of our character, but that doesn't have to be exclusive from good, exciting football.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 10, 2017, 02:36:44 AM
So the argument that you often trot out that Evertonians are too precious about 'good football' appears to be that you don't like good football, or aren't particularly bothered about it. Well that's sound for you, and each to their own. But the reaction to Allardyce from many people should tell you that plenty of us are bothered about the brand of football. In addition to that, the way people went big for Martinez's style in his first season and the way many of us enjoyed Moyes's team as it evolved with Bainaar, Arteta etc should tell you that plenty of us do value good football.

A lot of the time in the last 20-30 years the reason we haven't played good football is because we've had no money, and therefore had crap players who could only do limited things, not because we haven't wanted to see it. Yes, we do like high energy, in their faces type stuff and that's part of our character, but that doesn't have to be exclusive from good, exciting football.

What losing teams have we enjoyed and what winning teams have people not been keen on.

I think people really just like winning football.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 03:17:44 AM
What losing teams have we enjoyed and what winning teams have people not been keen on.

I think people really just like winning football.
Wasn't keen on the lump it
to lukaku last season under RK despite the wins.. or the crab style of Martinez first season ,as i knew it was Moyes defence holding it together....Moyes teams were not pretty but loved grinding out results against bigger teams ...not to mention the odd occasion he got it perfect ....3-1 against man u a fave  Bilytherussians goal. 😅
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 10, 2017, 03:28:49 AM
Awful how this slimey shite hoof ball merchant has got 31 pages.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Gash on November 10, 2017, 04:29:07 AM
Awful how this slimey shite hoof ball merchant has got 31 pages.

To be fair, if you took @KoemansNumberTens (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) posts out of it with him repeating the same point and arguing over nothing it would be about 7 pages. ;)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: TheRam on November 10, 2017, 04:45:40 AM
What losing teams have we enjoyed and what winning teams have people not been keen on.

I think people really just like winning football.

Can't say I cared too much for Koemans team last year.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 10, 2017, 07:00:03 PM
So the argument that you often trot out that Evertonians are too precious about 'good football' appears to be that you don't like good football, or aren't particularly bothered about it. Well that's sound for you, and each to their own. But the reaction to Allardyce from many people should tell you that plenty of us are bothered about the brand of football. In addition to that, the way people went big for Martinez's style in his first season and the way many of us enjoyed Moyes's team as it evolved with Bainaar, Arteta etc should tell you that plenty of us do value good football.

A lot of the time in the last 20-30 years the reason we haven't played good football is because we've had no money, and therefore had crap players who could only do limited things, not because we haven't wanted to see it. Yes, we do like high energy, in their faces type stuff and that's part of our character, but that doesn't have to be exclusive from good, exciting football.

What I am saying is that there is winning football and losing football and as long as the team is winning very few fans care about the style. Yes, when they sit down to talk about their team, especially in front of supporters from other teams, they will put a bit of emphasis on their desire for stylish football but when push comes to shove most fans don't care, or can't always tell.

If your team is winning it is generally praised and the less stylish aspects of the team's play is glossed over or just mis-represented.

A previous post in this thread looked back on the 85-87 team and called it neat. That team went direct when it suited. Derek Mountfield didn't score 15 goals a season by bringing the ball into midfield, playing a one two on the edge of the box and stroking the ball into the bottom corner.  He basically got his head on the end of a lot of corners and long throws. Any free kick up to the halfway line was taken by Southall. All this happened, but we don't dwell on it, but without those aspects to that particular team's play we would not have had the success.

Allardyce is direct but there is a lot more to his teams and if he came here and got us winning most fans would be happy to gloss over the direct aspects of his play.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: BlueForYou on November 10, 2017, 07:11:07 PM
We played neat football during that 80's period but we could also adapt because we had the players to do it, especially in the 1985-86 season to suit Gary Lineker's strength(s)

That's neat!



Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 10, 2017, 11:04:13 PM
A young manager who has actually won stuff, I'm not taking the piss...

Championship resume or thereabouts .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: velimski on November 10, 2017, 11:26:14 PM
Out of interest, who did @KoemansNumberTens (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) used to be on here?

It's been bugging me for a couple of days.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 10, 2017, 11:36:31 PM
Out of interest, who did @KoemansNumberTens (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) used to be on here?

It's been bugging me for a couple of days.

MartinezsLeftTeste was changed at my constant complaints about our many number 10s. I was right though
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: velimski on November 10, 2017, 11:39:55 PM
MartinezsLeftTeste was changed at my constant complaints about our many number 10s. I was right though

Ah yes. It all makes sense now.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Escla on November 10, 2017, 11:52:44 PM
Clearly we've Tod him to fuck off !

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-confirms-would-would-750421
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2017, 03:05:47 AM
Now I know you like to wind me up but 'achievements ' ? Are you serious ? sacked by Sporting and Olympiacos ( who normally win the 1 horse race Greek League ) and relegated with Hull . Man for the job then .

He won the taca with Sporting and then was sacked for not wearing the club suit.

He broke records for straight wins and won a league with olympiakos. He then quit.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Jamokachi on November 11, 2017, 04:23:12 AM
Championship resume or thereabouts .

Bit disingenuous that. You can only win what's in front of you.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 12, 2017, 06:17:46 PM
Bit disingenuous that. You can only win what's in front of you.

Not really I just don't think he is proven . I also accept Unsworth is unproven but for the time being I really don't think the club needs to clear out everyone again so I would leave him till the summer and I would want his replacement to have Unsworth as his assistant as sooner or later the Managerial merry go round catches up on clubs like ours and you need someone in place to take over the running of the club . I haven't said Silva is shite by the way just a bit meh and unproven .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MrWhite on November 15, 2017, 07:38:29 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11127563/evertons-indecision-put-me-off-says-sam-allardyce

Translation: "I rejected them before they rejected me. Honest Guv!"
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 15, 2017, 07:43:21 PM
Shit myself when this thread popped up again.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Toddacelli on November 15, 2017, 07:52:29 PM
Clearly we've Tod him to fuck off !

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-confirms-would-would-750421

Don't drag me into this and don't take Tod's name in vain!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 15, 2017, 08:06:18 PM
The number of RS pundits who said words to the effect that 'Allardyce would be a good fit' at Everton was doing my fucking head in, like we're a group of neanderthals, happy to watch any old garbage. Mickey Quinn was the most recent (cannot stand that cunt).

I couldn't have accepted him at the club on any level.

As an interesting aside, David Prentice from the Echo said that Simeone's representatives contacted Everton to express interest next summer, not the other way around.

Doesn't mean we'd get him like but I still think a lot of our fans underestimate what an attractive proposition we are. No need to go after people like Allardyce and make ourselves genuinely a laughing stock.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: toffee_scot on November 15, 2017, 08:39:46 PM
Sometimes Everton's indecision does pay off!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MrWhite on November 15, 2017, 08:47:53 PM
Shit myself when this thread popped up again.

(https://i.imgur.com/B8pv9CY.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: MrWhite on November 15, 2017, 08:53:16 PM
The number of RS pundits who said words to the effect that 'Allardyce would be a good fit' at Everton was doing my fucking head in, like we're a group of neanderthals, happy to watch any old garbage. Mickey Quinn was the most recent (cannot stand that cunt).

I couldn't have accepted him at the club on any level.

As an interesting aside, David Prentice from the Echo said that Simeone's representatives contacted Everton to express interest next summer, not the other way around.

Doesn't mean we'd get him like but I still think a lot of our fans underestimate what an attractive proposition we are. No need to go after people like Allardyce and make ourselves genuinely a laughing stock.

I suspect this is the problem causing the delay. They have a chance of some decent looking options available in the summer, but aren't sure about Unsy until the end of the season. The Allardyce thing could be media invention, played up to by him, but after hearing nothing from us now he's changed his tune. The 'someone until the end of the season' trope in the media is educated guesswork (possibly confirmed to some degree by some source) but the Allardyce and Dyche links are just the media playing their game. Silva and maybe some of the big names are possibly true, although again mostly guesswork I would think. The media must be loving our lack of action, means they can spin something new every day and we'll keep on clicking.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 15, 2017, 09:01:29 PM
I suspect this is the problem causing the delay. They have a chance of some decent looking options available in the summer, but aren't sure about Unsy until the end of the season. The Allardyce thing could be media invention, played up to by him, but after hearing nothing from us now he's changed his tune. The 'someone until the end of the season' trope in the media is educated guesswork (possibly confirmed to some degree by some source) but the Allardyce and Dyche links are just the media playing their game. Silva and maybe some of the big names are possibly true, although again mostly guesswork I would think. The media must be loving our lack of action, means they can spin something new every day and we'll keep on clicking.

Yeah I don't think Prentice's comments were guesswork. It wasn't written for clicks, it was said on a podcast with a clear indication that he had the information from a source.

The reason I believe it is that he isn't a sensationalist or click bait merchant. If he doesn't know something or hasn't heard anything he tends to just say 'I don't know' rather than just blag it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Sixx1402 on November 15, 2017, 09:02:16 PM
The number of RS pundits who said words to the effect that 'Allardyce would be a good fit' at Everton was doing my fucking head in, like we're a group of neanderthals, happy to watch any old garbage. Mickey Quinn was the most recent (cannot stand that cunt).

I couldn't have accepted him at the club on any level.

As an interesting aside, David Prentice from the Echo said that Simeone's representatives contacted Everton to express interest next summer, not the other way around.

Doesn't mean we'd get him like but I still think a lot of our fans underestimate what an attractive proposition we are. No need to go after people like Allardyce and make ourselves genuinely a laughing stock.

Christ if there was a whiff we could get Simeone at the end of the season i'd be tempted to go with Unsy until then

Although i'd be crapping myself that we'd get relegated

Now THAT is a tough decision if true
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Bluedylan on November 15, 2017, 09:05:58 PM
Christ if there was a whiff we could get Simeone at the end of the season i'd be tempted to go with Unsy until then

Although i'd be crapping myself that we'd get relegated

Now THAT is a tough decision if true

It's probably like a 5% chance. Simeone's representatives are probably putting the feelers out around Europe for options for next season, if the Atletico time is coming to an end.

Would imagine he'll go to Inter for his next job.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Sixx1402 on November 15, 2017, 09:13:36 PM
It's probably like a 5% chance. Simeone's representatives are probably putting the feelers out around Europe for options for next season, if the Atletico time is coming to an end.

Would imagine he'll go to Inter for his next job.

Yeah well there would have to be something concrete in place with us otherwise it's not worth the gamble

As much as i'd love Unsworth to work he's not shown me he can get the results to get us out of this mess, Watford aside, but even then we were lucky.

And would he know who to bring in in January? (assuming we aren't quoted astrological fees)

I'm not so sure and i'd be worried
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Jamokachi on November 16, 2017, 02:29:41 AM
Yeah I don't think Prentice's comments were guesswork. It wasn't written for clicks, it was said on a podcast with a clear indication that he had the information from a source.

The reason I believe it is that he isn't a sensationalist or click bait merchant. If he doesn't know something or hasn't heard anything he tends to just say 'I don't know' rather than just blag it.

Yea, I listened to the pod. Interesting stuff. Pity it was accompanied by the same old drivel such as "the club owe the supporters an explanation of what's happening", and all that fume.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: everton1952 on November 16, 2017, 02:52:04 AM
Ah give it to Unsie until May and sod the consequences. 41 points is his target and we have been there before.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 17, 2017, 03:54:10 AM
https://twitter.com/AllezAllezEFC/status/931097223508758528
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 17, 2017, 05:14:58 AM
https://twitter.com/AllezAllezEFC/status/931097223508758528

I would have done a spit take with my coffee had I been drinking my coffee when I first read this.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: therealdunc on November 17, 2017, 06:17:36 PM
Jim white confirms Everton representatives meet up with allerdyces team twice for talks
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 17, 2017, 06:35:03 PM
Jim White is a fucking pleb
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 17, 2017, 06:47:15 PM
Jim white confirms Everton representatives meet up with allerdyces team twice for talks


I guess we only wanted him in temporary charge, while our main target was contracted....I guess Sam doesnt like being the stand by dude..
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 17, 2017, 06:52:47 PM

I guess we only wanted him in temporary charge, while our main target was contracted....I guess Sam doesnt like being the stand by dude..

He probably wanted a minimum 3yr contract on same pay as Koeman with no break clauses for anything, £200m to spend in January and 10% of any transfer deal in or out, oh and 20 trusted back room staff all on ridiculous wages
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 17, 2017, 06:59:00 PM
If the rumours are true we supposedly offered him 18 months but he wanted longer.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Waltzer on November 17, 2017, 07:08:21 PM
If the rumours are true we supposedly offered him 18 months but he wanted longer.

Id say that wouldve been about right, 18 months, shows you how far Moyes stock has fallen for him to take 6 months contract at a shite club
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: Macca77 on November 17, 2017, 07:18:30 PM
If the rumours are true we supposedly offered him 18 months but he wanted longer.

Thank fuck he "is no longer interested" in the job eh
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce open to Everton talks
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 17, 2017, 10:10:27 PM
Rhino any day over this slightly rotund honest English gentleman of high regard.