Post by: Everton News on November 01, 2017, 11:21:15 PM
Sean Dyche said to be preferred choice for the Manager role.
Source: Blues make Dyche their number one target (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/11/blues-make-dyche-number-one-target/)
Post by: everton1952 on November 01, 2017, 11:38:59 PM
Post by: Ross on November 01, 2017, 11:39:33 PM
You don’t go from “Hollywood” to Lancashire in 18 months just to recover from a poor start while there’s still so much to play for.
Post by: Silas on November 01, 2017, 11:40:00 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 11:45:03 PM
I'm not sure what's the lesser of two evils
Post by: Tinga on November 01, 2017, 11:48:43 PM
Post by: Coyb12 on November 01, 2017, 11:49:56 PM
Something’s gone badly wrong backstage if this is true.If it's true it's utterly depressing.What fuck is going on?
You don’t go from “Hollywood” to Lancashire in 18 months just to recover from a poor start while there’s still so much to play for.
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 01, 2017, 11:51:45 PM
I'm still expecting Allardyce tbh
I'm not sure what's the lesser of two evils
Allardyce is a proven, self-serving bellend of the highest magnitude
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 01, 2017, 11:53:24 PM
For some reason now I'm not so confident we definitely won't be in a relegation fight, for that reason I can feel myself leaning towards Allardyce, for a short term fix only.
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 01, 2017, 11:54:41 PM
Post by: chang on November 02, 2017, 12:00:47 AM
Post by: gizzblue on November 02, 2017, 12:22:51 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 12:24:43 AM
Post by: Silas on November 02, 2017, 12:38:36 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 02, 2017, 12:40:22 AM
Post by: cantoffee on November 02, 2017, 12:42:13 AM
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 12:42:56 AM
Are we really trying to emulate Burnley here? They've scored 2 more goals than us and we've been absolute woeful in front of goal. Plus three of those were in that game at the start of the season versus Chelsea when Chelsea played most of the game a man down.
Is that really the scope of our ambition?
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 12:43:17 AM
Paul Lambert MkII
Beat me to it.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 02, 2017, 12:44:49 AM
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 12:47:57 AM
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 12:48:21 AM
He's very much no one's first choice but no one's worst choice either. He's the footballing equivalent of Bon Jovi
Beg to differ. He is my worst choice. Firmly believe managers can only go so far, for example Moyes always had us in roughly 6th position, when he went to Utd 6th was his limit. Dyche in my eyes has a limit of 14th/15th downwards. Give him a year max, another year wasted and god knows how much he'll piss away on Championship players. Fuck!
Edit: just to clarify, he is my worse choice, Big Sam shouldn't even be mentioned.
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 12:54:30 AM
If this is true we're at the Paul Lambert stage of following Villa's path.
Fuck me, it's getting more and more similar every day now... :'(
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 02, 2017, 12:56:38 AM
He would appear to have achieved a lot and (don't forget it's all rumours at the moment anyway) is ready to move up a level. Young, ambitious, successful.
Of course it's a risk but so is every managerial appointment at every football club around the world. So is every big money signing. So is every youngster signed forthe future. And so on and so on.
Collectively we are a whingeing, pessimistic, want something for nothing, arrogant bunch at times. Worst of all, we come over just like Man Unt, Chelsea, Arsenal and every other bunch of saddos who want it all and want it all now!
Post by: D15TIN on November 02, 2017, 01:05:43 AM
regardless of what we might think
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 01:15:54 AM
Dyche not my first choice but he's no where near my bottom choice. This article may have been posted before but it's a fair read and gives me some optimism if he is appointed
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/10/13/sean-dyche-englands-diego-simeone/amp/
Post by: Coyb12 on November 02, 2017, 01:16:58 AM
Given the budget he has and the fact that Burnley are in transition from a Championship side to a Premier league side what has he actually done wrong?Want it all now you say,we have won fuck all for over 20years.
He would appear to have achieved a lot and (don't forget it's all rumours at the moment anyway) is ready to move up a level. Young, ambitious, successful.
Of course it's a risk but so is every managerial appointment at every football club around the world. So is every big money signing. So is every youngster signed forthe future. And so on and so on.
Collectively we are a whingeing, pessimistic, want something for nothing, arrogant bunch at times. Worst of all, we come over just like Man Unt, Chelsea, Arsenal and every other bunch of saddos who want it all and want it all now!
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 01:22:12 AM
Yes he is a very underwhelming choice but let's not right him off just yet eh
Post by: blue slug on November 02, 2017, 01:23:12 AM
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 01:40:45 AM
I think its a little unfair to bracket him alongside Allardyce, in fairness. He's done an exceptional job at Burnley. It's not hugely ambitious no, but infinitely better than Sam, in my view.
Actually think Allardyce was at least innovative when he was at Bolton.
His use of data / sports science gave him a usp which lifted them up the table.
I think most teams have caught up which is why his teams’ performances have slid back (a bit like Wenger with his dietary methods and more extensive scouting networks).
I’ve not come across anything re Dyche that lifts him beyond organisation.
Don’t want either but Dyche is massively underwhelming and ultimately more short term than an Allardyce 6 month deal as he’d expect (rightly if we’re approching him) at least 3 year deal.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 02, 2017, 02:00:10 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 02:01:29 AM
Actually think Allardyce was at least innovative when he was at Bolton.
His use of data / sports science gave him a usp which lifted them up the table.
I think most teams have caught up which is why his teams’ performances have slid back (a bit like Wenger with his dietary methods and more extensive scouting networks).
I’ve not come across anything re Dyche that lifts him beyond organisation.
Don’t want either but Dyche is massively underwhelming and ultimately more short term than an Allardyce 6 month deal as he’d expect (rightly if we’re approching him) at least 3 year deal.
Yeah points taken. I think you could argue that we know Allardyce's ceiling, whereas we don't really know Dyche's at this point. He might step up to working with better players and greater resources and demonstrate a more progressive side. Ok, that's speculation on my part and a punt on the board's part, admittedly.
I've found myself arguing in support of Dyche when I don't want him either. I think I'm just relieved that it's not Allardyce tbh, which isn't a great starting point.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 02:04:31 AM
Well, why not? One thing is absolutely clear from our more recent experiences, you never know for sure how these appointments turn out. Some of the critical comment on here about Dyche seems (only seems) to be based on him being very British (therefore no good), and comes from the despised little Burnley. We might be pleasantly surprised, which would make a change from being unpleasantly surprised.
I think the reality is most of us know every little about most of the names. We want the unknown cos it might be fancy rather than something from Burnley. Like you said hiring managers is a lottery anyway. Past a handful you really don't know how it's gonna work out. I'm more than happy with defensive and pragmatic. People want to tell us that puts a ceiling on our potential but it didn't with mourinho or simeone. People are just being snobby
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 02:05:31 AM
We're down.
You seem to have lost your head a bit with all this managerial speculation. I'll remind you of this post when we finish 9th, 26 points adrift of the Top 6 and with a comfortably negative goal difference.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 02:06:32 AM
Beg to differ. He is my worst choice. Firmly believe managers can only go so far, for example Moyes always had us in roughly 6th position, when he went to Utd 6th was his limit. Dyche in my eyes has a limit of 14th/15th downwards. Give him a year max, another year wasted and god knows how much he'll piss away on Championship players. Fuck!
Edit: just to clarify, he is my worse choice, Big Sam shouldn't even be mentioned.
You think his limit is 14th or 15th regardless? You think he'd manage city or Barca to them positions in their leagues. Sorry but that seems an utterly outlandish thing to say.
Post by: TheRam on November 02, 2017, 02:20:19 AM
He's done an incredible job at Burnley on a very small budget. Even in the championship they were paupers compared to the teams above them. When he took over them they were looking down towards league one. So to take them from that to 7th in the premier league is a massive achievement.
One thing he's done very well is consistently replace strikers he's had to sell.
Sold Austin, got ings.
Sold ings, got gray.
Sold gray, got Chris wood.
Just thing this job would be a step too far for him. He needs to go to a stoke or west Brom before he can be considered for a job like us.
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 02:21:01 AM
Yeah points taken. I think you could argue that we know Allardyce's ceiling, whereas we don't really know Dyche's at this point. He might step up to working with better players and greater resources and demonstrate a more progressive side. Ok, that's speculation on my part and a punt on the board's part, admittedly.
I've found myself arguing in support of Dyche when I don't want him either. I think I'm just relieved that it's not Allardyce tbh, which isn't a great starting point.
Ha quite.
But yeah I don’t think there’s any growth for Allardyce and it’s obviously unknown re Dyche.
Just would be massively underenthused.
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 02:34:45 AM
You think his limit is 14th or 15th regardless? You think he'd manage city or Barca to them positions in their leagues. Sorry but that seems an utterly outlandish thing to say.
He'd NEVER get near City or Barca unless as a spectator. They don't think small time.
To say City or Barca would let him manage is outlandish.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 02:37:46 AM
He'd NEVER get near City or Barca unless as a spectator. They don't think small time.
That's not what was said. His limit was 14th or 15th regardless was what was said. Managers limits aren't regardless. They are very much dependant on their squad and finances. I could manage city or barca to a top 4 finish. To suggest dyche or anyone is only capable of a certain placing is laughable.
It's just nonsense.
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 02:42:39 AM
That's not what was said. His limit was 14th or 15th regardless was what was said. Managers limits aren't regardless. They are very much dependant on their squad and finances. I could manage city or barca to a top 4 finish. To suggest dyche or anyone is only capable of a certain placing is laughable.
It's just nonsense.
Well, all I can say is time will tell, won't it?
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 02:47:35 AM
Actually think Allardyce was at least innovative when he was at Bolton.
His use of data / sports science gave him a usp which lifted them up the table.
I think most teams have caught up which is why his teams’ performances have slid back (a bit like Wenger with his dietary methods and more extensive scouting networks).
I’ve not come across anything re Dyche that lifts him beyond organisation.
Don’t want either but Dyche is massively underwhelming and ultimately more short term than an Allardyce 6 month deal as he’d expect (rightly if we’re approching him) at least 3 year deal.
100% agree on some of what you say here. Wengers fitness work was light years ahead and he’s now slid behind the likes of poch etc.
However, I think there IS method beyond organisation in what dyche does. Unless it’s pure chance that he can sacrifice the amount of chances he does without conceding which I can’t see. Squeezing angles seems really important, closing shots in vital areas outside the box (if anyone wants to find how many 25 yarders Burnley have conceded from within the width of the goal mouth I’d be interested!). Makes me think (conjecture) that he can recognise threat and design a system to stop it. Someone will have to come up with something to stop city’s low drilled crosses and cut backs...maybe it will be him!
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 02:54:44 AM
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:00:29 AM
I tend to agree, also, whilst those replacements are good I think its slightly easier working in that market than where we want to be. I doubt he has many motivational issues as some of their players will be grateful for the chance he gave them, its different when your dealing with 'superstars' who have more options. That doesn't mean he couldn't do it, but it's a different ballpark with regards to players, transfers and expectations and is his skillset and managerial style transferable?
One thing he's done very well is consistently replace strikers he's had to sell.
Sold Austin, got ings.
Sold ings, got gray.
Sold gray, got Chris wood.
Just thing this job would be a step too far for him. He needs to go to a stoke or west Brom before he can be considered for a job like us.
Post by: Optimistic Blue on November 02, 2017, 03:00:47 AM
He has also proven to have a decent record with strikers it seems after they sold Charlie Austin, who was replaced by Danny Ings who was replaced by Andre Gray, now he didn't buy all those and you can put it down to luck but he's managed to maintain a decent goalscorer throughout his time there despite obviously not having the Wonga.
I just think he has shown positive signs as a manager, unlike many flavour of the month championship managers like aidy boothroyd, Owen coyle, Paul Jewell, Malkie Mackay, Iain Dowie, Tony Mowbary, Billy Davies, Aitor Karanka, Brian McDermott or Paul Lambert who reached their ceiling and decline very very rapidly Dyche is still improving and learning lessons which says to be he at least has potential.
It's also easy to forget we are the worst team in the premiership by a country mile, the foundations of anything resembling a team has been destroyed by Ronald Koeman, now is not the time for tuchel to come in and start waxing German tiki taka philosophy on this shower or shite, we need some who can galvanise create a solid defence and motivate the team from someone who captained 4 sides to promotions in his playing career I think he's in with at least a shout x
Post by: dunkster on November 02, 2017, 03:05:33 AM
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:05:53 AM
I look at the goal Burnley scored against us and wasn't it something like 40+ passes that dragged us from side to side, had us chasing shadows and then in with the sucker punch? I don't think he's as limited as some thinkIt was a good goal but that kind of compounds why I don't want him. They did that, we were terrible, looked lethargic and very little threat, but we still had 74% possession or something like that? As soon as they got the lead it was all backs to the wall route one dross, despite the fact we were there for the taking. You could argue they got the result but I personally want to be entertained a bit to.
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:10:59 AM
It was a good goal but that kind of compounds why I don't want him. They did that, we were terrible, looked lethargic and very little threat, but we still had 74% possession or something like that? As soon as they got the lead it was all backs to the wall route one dross, despite the fact we were there for the taking. You could argue they got the result but I personally want to be entertained a bit to.
At the moment I'd take winning ugly over anything.
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:11:46 AM
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:12:29 AM
At the moment I'd take winning ugly over anything.I agree, and if he'd come in until the end of the season id be all for it, I wouldn't want to sign up for 4 or 5 years of it though
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 03:12:55 AM
Out of interest how did they play when they beat Chelsea? Was it back to the walls stuff for that and they just scored three counter attacking goals?
Pretty sure Chelsea had 2 reds. I think on was late though.
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:15:47 AM
Out of interest how did they play when they beat Chelsea? Was it back to the walls stuff for that and they just scored three counter attacking goals?Tbh i have no idea, the stats say they had 38% and 5 shots on goal, but stats can be misleading
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:16:17 AM
Pretty sure Chelsea had 2 reds. I think on was late though.
Be interesting to look at that, the Liverpool game and compare to the game against us
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:16:46 AM
Pretty sure Chelsea had 2 reds. I think on was late though.Cahill got sent off after 14 mins
Fabregas 81
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2017, 03:17:00 AM
Out of interest how did they play when they beat Chelsea? Was it back to the walls stuff for that and they just scored three counter attacking goals?
Yeah, even in that game they only had 38% possession
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40835426
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2017, 03:18:24 AM
Be interesting to look at that, the Liverpool game and compare to the game against us
29% in the Shite game
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41210051
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:20:00 AM
Yeah, even in that game they only had 38% possession
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40835426
Just looked at that before you posted - 10 shots with 5 on target, 5 corners too with 38% possession
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 03:21:52 AM
Just looked at that before you posted - 10 shots with 5 on target, 5 corners too with 38% possession
Pretty scary image though. the left is all the shots Liverpool had... The right is Burnley
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/86E5/production/_97833543_composite.jpg)
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 03:23:18 AM
Well, all I can say is time will tell, won't it?
No. It's a nonsense. He might only ever finish them positions but that wouldn't prove that was all he was capable of regardless. Least not unless he gets a variety of jobs and all different levels.
It just makes no sense to suggest that's his ceiling and the squads don't matter
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:24:26 AM
Pretty scary image though. the left is all the shots Liverpool had... The right is BurnleyHe's clearly getting results but when you are so happy to concede possession as they seem to be I think your asking for trouble.
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/86E5/production/_97833543_composite.jpg)
Post by: Risky on November 02, 2017, 03:28:11 AM
I'd definitely prefer Dyche to Allardyce mainly because Dyche can't yet be judged on anything other than the kind of managerial situation he's been in at Burnley. I doubt it, but there is a chance that he could adapt his methods to suit what we'd be expecting of him. With Allardyce though you know exactly what level of horrendous football you'd have to endure. Also the fact that Allardyce is a massive bellend as opposed to Dyche only being a minor bellend (I've heard him whinging about the lack of credit he gets quite a bit over the last season or so - an Allardyce-esque personality trait for sure).
Would be really disappointed if we didn't have grander ambitions that Dyche though.
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 03:28:41 AM
Post by: hill135 on November 02, 2017, 03:28:42 AM
Their football is identical. They're both good coaches for squeezing everything out of limited sides and having them punching slightly above their weight.
The difference is one's an unobjectionable normal bloke, one's an arrogant, corrupt bloke.
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:33:40 AM
I think it's perfectly fair to lump him in with Allardyce.One of them is free and probably open to a short term contract, the other we would actually have to buy and would want a long contract.
Their football is identical. They're both good coaches for squeezing everything out of limited sides and having them punching slightly above their weight.
The difference is one's an unobjectionable normal bloke, one's an arrogant, corrupt bloke.
Post by: Heisenberg on November 02, 2017, 03:34:13 AM
He's a negative type manager. And the only managers who are successful with that nowadays play with unlimited money and the best players.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 02, 2017, 03:34:44 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 03:38:12 AM
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 03:38:43 AM
He's a negative type manager. And the only managers who are successful with that nowadays play with unlimited money and the best players.
Huh?
I'm not advocating him or anything, but He's kept Burnley up, and they're currently in 7th with limited money, and the shittiest players.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 03:42:49 AM
This is a worse appointment than what Allarydyce would be. We knows what allardyce would be and so does he. Short term fix. What about next season? Does dyche have us challenging the top 4? winning cups? No he doesn't.
He's a negative type manager. And the only managers who are successful with that nowadays play with unlimited money and the best players.
Atletico have unlimited money? They are constantly losing their best players and replacing them with cheaper. What they have financially has been earned on the back of that negative football
Really don't understand the suggestion that 1 type of football is more successful than another. Leicester won the league playing negative football. Which teams are successful playing open football on a small budget. I'd suggest the only examples of success on a limited budget are Leicester and atletico both playing defensive football
Post by: Heisenberg on November 02, 2017, 03:49:35 AM
Atletico have unlimited money? They are constantly losing their best players and replacing them with cheaper. What they have financially has been earned on the back of that negative football
Really don't understand the suggestion that 1 type of football is more successful than another. Leicester won the league playing negative football. Which teams are successful playing open football on a small budget. I'd suggest the only examples of success on a limited budget are Leicester and atletico both playing defensive football
Both are terrible terrible examples. Atletico playing negative football is a myth. In certain big games yes. Some of the technical players they have had over the years we could only dream of.
Leicester as well. Not negative. They fought fire with fire that seasson. The opposite of what an allardyce type team does.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 03:56:55 AM
Both are terrible terrible examples. Atletico playing negative football is a myth. In certain big games yes. Some of the technical players they have had over the years we could only dream of.
Leicester as well. Not negative. They fought fire with fire that seasson. The opposite of what an allardyce type team does.
Atletico play negative football with some great players. Think that's kind of my point. The football gets better depending on the squad. Dyche here (with a successful transfer window) would play much better football than dyche at Burnley. It's the players much more than the managers style that defines the standard.
Leicester and atletico are both defensive non possession teams. Who plays open football on their budgets with anything like their success.
I actually think it's easier to get results playing defensively. You can organise a defence brilliantly much easier than you can get 4 or 5 world class players on a budget
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:57:20 AM
Post by: Running Blue on November 02, 2017, 04:08:04 AM
Quick lets get Dyche signed, we've just been linked to Pardew and he's in to 14-1, id honestly consider defecting to the reds if we got him as manager!😣
Then you were never a Blue to begin with.
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 04:12:25 AM
@Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) may know him!
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 04:23:41 AM
Carl Robinson.
@Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) may know him!
Wales midfielder? What about him?
Post by: Gash on November 02, 2017, 04:24:28 AM
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 04:25:13 AM
Wales midfielder? What about him?
Was throwing his hat into the ring for our new coach.
He's done wonders with the Whitecaps.
Post by: Gash on November 02, 2017, 04:25:30 AM
Wales midfielder? What about him?
I think he means Karl Robinson.
Post by: blue slug on November 02, 2017, 04:27:57 AM
(http://www.pound4pound.com/Photos/BretNewton/Photoshops/2011/BottomOfTheBarrelPromotions.jpg)
I think we've gone beyond the barrel now gash
Post by: Heisenberg on November 02, 2017, 04:31:50 AM
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 02, 2017, 04:33:36 AM
Want it all now you say,we have won fuck all for over 20years.That applies to nearly every football club in the country. Take out the so called top 4 or 5 and how many other teams have won anything worth winning? 2, 3?
We all want success but there is a feeling we have a right to it and we don't. Hundreds of football clubs would love to have been in top flight football for all but 4 seasons in our entire history. That in itself is an achievement. Of course we want more - I want to win it all - but what's missing for us is a sense of balance and the reality that it will take several seasons to build something bigger and better and on that journey there will be good and bad experiences.
Post by: ally2 on November 02, 2017, 04:35:00 AM
Sold Austin, got ings.
Sold ings, got gray.
Sold gray, got Chris wood.
Well I certainly won't be getting wood if Dyche is our next manager
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 02, 2017, 04:46:02 AM
Yeah points taken. I think you could argue that we know Allardyce's ceiling, whereas we don't really know Dyche's at this point. He might step up to working with better players and greater resources and demonstrate a more progressive side. Ok, that's speculation on my part and a punt on the board's part, admittedly.
I've found myself arguing in support of Dyche when I don't want him either. I think I'm just relieved that it's not Allardyce tbh, which isn't a great starting point.
I know that's exactly where I am, but it's a reprieve from the gallows so I will take it. I can at least watch the remainder of the season.
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 04:49:54 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 02, 2017, 04:54:27 AM
You seem to have lost your head a bit with all this managerial speculation. I'll remind you of this post when we finish 9th, 26 points adrift of the Top 6 and with a comfortably negative goal difference.Depressing that that’s probably our best case scenario.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 02, 2017, 04:58:34 AM
Depressing that that’s probably our best case scenario.
This has been a rather depressing year, has it not? I'm still waiting for a representative of the government to come over and kick me in the head.
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 05:16:56 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-unsworth-primed-two-cup-11450260
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/656881/Everton-news-David-Unsworth-fend-off-Sam-Allardyce-for-managers-job
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5040901/Everton-hold-preliminary-discussions-Sam-Allardyce.html
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/874293/Everton-next-manager-David-Unsworth-Sam-Allardyce-talks
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 05:22:49 AM
Huh?
I'm not advocating him or anything, but He's kept Burnley up, and they're currently in 7th with limited money, and the shittiest players.
Some of those shittiest players could be here come January.
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 05:23:36 AM
Tomorrow's papers all going quite big on Allardyce:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-unsworth-primed-two-cup-11450260
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/656881/Everton-news-David-Unsworth-fend-off-Sam-Allardyce-for-managers-job
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5040901/Everton-hold-preliminary-discussions-Sam-Allardyce.html
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/874293/Everton-next-manager-David-Unsworth-Sam-Allardyce-talks
Just fucking shoot me now
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 02, 2017, 05:37:57 AM
Post by: bluestevie on November 02, 2017, 05:38:25 AM
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 05:39:18 AM
A few months back we were having a wankfest cause we bought a couple of players in the same day.
Fuck you Ronald Koeman may the hairs on your balls turn to drumsticks and batter you to death.
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 05:40:10 AM
Post by: Jamokachi on November 02, 2017, 05:51:53 AM
Post by: Jamokachi on November 02, 2017, 05:53:35 AM
Tomorrow's papers all going quite big on Allardyce:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-unsworth-primed-two-cup-11450260
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/656881/Everton-news-David-Unsworth-fend-off-Sam-Allardyce-for-managers-job
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5040901/Everton-hold-preliminary-discussions-Sam-Allardyce.html
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/874293/Everton-next-manager-David-Unsworth-Sam-Allardyce-talks
Not decent papers are they though? Wouldn't pay any attention to a word they say.
Post by: Jamokachi on November 02, 2017, 05:56:38 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 05:57:17 AM
Some of those shittiest players could be here come January.
You do talk some shite. Why would he suddenly bring loads of Burnley players here. They cut their cloth accordingly. He's not signed them for Burnley because he thinks they are better than Messi and Ronaldo he's signed them because they were the best he could attract. It's utterly delusional to suggest he'd bring an array of shite players with him
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 05:59:54 AM
It's like there's collective amnesia around here, and in all of the rags. Moshiri has stated time and time again of his ambitions with Everton. We made Koeman our number 1 target when he was being touted for the top jobs, and we went and got him (for better or worse). We're not all of a sudden going to turn to a no mark like Big Sam. There's ambition within this club, whether you chose to believe it or not.
Why are we even interviewing him then?
I don't think it's quite as clear cut as that. Fear often trumps hope as an emotion.
Post by: Jamokachi on November 02, 2017, 06:01:18 AM
Why are we even interviewing him then?
I don't think we are.
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 06:14:28 AM
You do talk some shite. Why would he suddenly bring loads of Burnley players here. They cut their cloth accordingly. He's not signed them for Burnley because he thinks they are better than Messi and Ronaldo he's signed them because they were the best he could attract. It's utterly delusional to suggest he'd bring an array of shite players with him
Wish you could read.
In what world, apart from yours, does "some of those players" suddenly become "loads of Burnley players"?
But in answer to your question "why would he bring Burnley players", because they are all he fucking knows about.
Martinez did it, Koeman did it, Moyes did it. They all fucking do it.
Don't think Dyche would have earmarked many Champions League type players at Burnley, do you.
BTW if you ever do get your hands into his underpants in real life maybe you could crank his balls up a bit and fix his voice.
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 06:17:01 AM
Wish you could read.
In what world, apart from yours, does "some of those players" suddenly become "loads of Burnley players"?
But in answer to your question "why would he bring Burnley players", because they are all he fucking knows about.
Martinez did it, Koeman did it, Moyes did it. They all fucking do it.
Don't think Dyche would have earmarked many Champions League type players at Burnley, do you.
BTW if you ever do get your hands into his underpants in real life maybe you could crank his balls up a bit and fix his voice.
Other than the Stek and Big Morg (who he signed from Utd), which other players did Koeman sign who he had managed before?
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 02, 2017, 06:18:11 AM
Other than the Stek and Big Morg (who he signed from Utd), which other players did Koeman sign who he had managed before?
Martina
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 06:18:48 AM
Martina
I knew there was someone I'd missed.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 06:29:09 AM
Wish you could read.
In what world, apart from yours, does "some of those players" suddenly become "loads of Burnley players"?
But in answer to your question "why would he bring Burnley players", because they are all he fucking knows about.
Martinez did it, Koeman did it, Moyes did it. They all fucking do it.
Don't think Dyche would have earmarked many Champions League type players at Burnley, do you.
BTW if you ever do get your hands into his underpants in real life maybe you could crank his balls up a bit and fix his voice.
Well what's some. I'd say that suggests 3 or 4 which really is loads. Moyes signed 1 tried to sign 2 in total. 1 was at the time the best left back in the league. Who do you imagine dyche would bring with him.
As for wanking him off. He's really not my type and you really misunderstand my view anyway. I'm not particularly pro dyche. I'm just anti your utter nonsense. 14th or 15th is his ceiling and he'll sign some really shit Burnley players. It's just scaremongering crap to be honest. Your 1st claim has no basis in anything that's come before and your second is just extremely unlikely.
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 06:30:05 AM
I knew there was someone I'd missed.
How could you forget the best one. :whistle:
Post by: Ross on November 02, 2017, 06:42:05 AM
How could you forget the best one. :whistle:
Don’t forget he was after Sigurdsson when he was Southampton manager.
They just had the brains to keep him away from the till.
Post by: blargins on November 02, 2017, 06:44:27 AM
Something's gone badly wrong backstage if this is true.In fairness Hollywood is full of perverts and rapists. Maybe grass roots is better.
You don't go from "Hollywood” to Lancashire in 18 months just to recover from a poor start while there's still so much to play for.
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 06:57:12 AM
Well what's some. I'd say that suggests 3 or 4 which really is loads. Moyes signed 1 tried to sign 2 in total. 1 was at the time the best left back in the league. Who do you imagine dyche would bring with him.
As for wanking him off. He's really not my type and you really misunderstand my view anyway. I'm not particularly pro dyche. I'm just anti your utter nonsense. 14th or 15th is his ceiling and he'll sign some really shit Burnley players. It's just scaremongering crap to be honest. Your 1st claim has no basis in anything that's come before and your second is just extremely unlikely.
1) Moyes practically emptied out treatment room when he went to Sunderland.
2) we need a few positions sorted, eg forward. Dyche may think Chris Wood could do a job. He may think Robbie Brady could be a Baines back up plus utility player. He may bring Tarkowski in as another CD.
Now please note I have said Dyche may think, not I think.
3) someone else said they were shit players, I just said some of them may be here come Jan
4) The manager thing. There are top 4 managers eg Mourinho, Pep, Wenger. Just behind there you have your Klopps, Rafa, Moyes when he was with us and Utd. There are mid table managers like Pulis, Hughes etc (shouldn't get relegated but highly unlikely to ever win the league) So in my view, (note my view), I think managers have ceilings and Dyche's ceiling,( in my opinion), is not near where we want to be.
As I said earlier time will tell both about Dyche and if SOME Burnley players end up with us.
Also I never mentioned wanking him off, just fondling his balls will suffice.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 07:10:32 AM
1) Moyes practically emptied out treatment room when he went to Sunderland.
2) we need a few positions sorted, eg forward. Dyche may think Chris Wood could do a job. He may think Robbie Brady could be a Baines back up plus utility player. He may bring Tarkowski in as another CD.
Now please note I have said Dyche may think, not I think.
3) someone else said they were shit players, I just said some of them may be here come Jan
4) The manager thing. There are top 4 managers eg Mourinho, Pep, Wenger. Just behind there you have your Klopps, Rafa, Moyes when he was with us and Utd. There are mid table managers like Pulis, Hughes etc (shouldn't get relegated but highly unlikely to ever win the league) So in my view, (note my view), I think managers have ceilings and Dyche's ceiling,( in my opinion), is not near where we want to be.
As I said earlier time will tell both about Dyche and if SOME Burnley players end up with us.
Also I never mentioned wanking him off, just fondling his balls will suffice.
His ceiling is absolutely dependant on the squad and club finances where he's managing. How can his ceiling here be 14th or 15th now and still the same 14th or 15th if we spent 100m or 200m more. It just defies logic.
As for the players if you don't think it will happen and I don't think it will happen we've (me and you have little to worry about)
Moyes was a bit different. His job at Sunderland was a downgrade in finances and status.
I'm not overly in favour of dyche but I'm absolutely not having that if we signed him and he spent 4 or 5 years here the absolute best he could manage is 14th. That could be what happens but it's not his ceiling. I'm not actually sure managers have ceilings. Koeman or Martinez could have gone to Barcelona and won a treble. Enrique did. Mancini who for me is crap won the title. Avram grant got to a champions league final. Di Matteo won it. Finances dictate in the main.
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 07:21:36 AM
Just as a matter of interest, can you really see us breaking into the top 4 under him?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 12:36:52 PM
We'll agree to differ, but if he does come here and the best he can manage is 14th I sincerely hope he doesn't get to stay 4 or 5 years.
Just as a matter of interest, can you really see us breaking into the top 4 under him?
Probably not. We are 3rd bottom though. Can you really see us breaking the top 4 under anyone?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 02:17:20 PM
How could you forget the best one. :whistle:
God knows
Post by: sirblue57 on November 02, 2017, 02:26:41 PM
I'm not sure, and for that reason I don't want him I want someone who HAS built teams that can compete with the top 6.
Tuchel if we can get him.
But it's down to the board to get it right, even having our name mentioned with certain managers should be discouraged.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 02, 2017, 02:36:23 PM
Wish you could read....well, it’s a good job the manager doesn’t choose which players we sign then.
In what world, apart from yours, does "some of those players" suddenly become "loads of Burnley players"?
But in answer to your question "why would he bring Burnley players", because they are all he fucking knows about.
Martinez did it, Koeman did it, Moyes did it. They all fucking do it.
Don't think Dyche would have earmarked many Champions League type players at Burnley, do you.
BTW if you ever do get your hands into his underpants in real life maybe you could crank his balls up a bit and fix his voice.
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 02:48:38 PM
Moyes ceiling,according to finance. Was about 14th, yet he achieved far better consistently. And still gets little respect for it. IF Dyche came and achieved top 6 with the increase in budget, that should be deemed failure. Does anyone think he could build a team to achieve better than top 6?
I'm not sure, and for that reason I don't want him I want someone who HAS built teams that can compete with the top 6.
Tuchel if we can get him.
But it's down to the board to get it right, even having our name mentioned with certain managers should be discouraged.
Moyes got plenty of respect, ten years of unequivocal backing from the board and fans and a standing ovation when he took the biggest job in English football.
Since then however his career has nosedived due to failure on his own part.
Post by: sirblue57 on November 02, 2017, 03:07:20 PM
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:10:13 PM
My point was about ceilings mate. Moyes should not be labelled with fat Sam. And not sure about Dyche yet. Just sick of some of the shirt we have been linked with.
Ben Sherman? Thomas Burberry? Charles Tyrwhitt? I agree - big names but not necessarily the managers we are looking for
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 03:13:19 PM
Can’t believe I’m so on board with dyche, potentially just worried about going down and scrabbling for positivity amidst rumours of allardyce.
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:18:05 PM
We’re utterly styleless at the moment and whatever else you can level at dyche he has a very clear style that he imprints on his side. That cohesion would do us good I think.
Can’t believe I’m so on board with dyche, potentially just worried about going down and scrabbling for positivity amidst rumours of allardyce.
Yeah, but what shirts does he wear? Let's see some real style
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 03:26:13 PM
We’re utterly styleless at the moment and whatever else you can level at dyche he has a very clear style that he imprints on his side. That cohesion would do us good I think.
Can’t believe I’m so on board with dyche, potentially just worried about going down and scrabbling for positivity amidst rumours of allardyce.
Any decent manager will put their identity on the side though.
Don’t think he wouldn’t organise the team but as we’ve so long in the season left then the following seasons need to be considered too.
Grim with Dyche and Allardyce metaphorically blocking the sun every morning.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 02, 2017, 03:34:20 PM
Did you know that if you shaved a Wookie it would look like Sean Dyche?
Post by: sirblue57 on November 02, 2017, 03:45:15 PM
Ben Sherman? Thomas Burberry? Charles Tyrwhitt? I agree - big names but not necessarily the managers we are looking for
And that's what you get for not checking if autocorrect has fucked with your post.. lolol
Git.... lolol
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:51:03 PM
And that's what you get for not checking if autocorrect has fucked with your post.. lolol
Git.... lolol
I'm just amazed how sharp I was before my morning cup of coffee
Post by: formerKHL on November 02, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
easy for us to post who we wish for....the actual choice of right person....This is arguably THE biggest managerial decision to be made in our history......TBH I wouldn't like to be making that decision...
not only do you have to satisfy, the board, the shareholders, the players and the fan base, but in our case the history of the club...
In my opinion....appointing Dyche or Allerdyce is a kneejerk reaction to our current position...
going for a "big name" manager is a gamble as can we afford to be looking long term..in our current position.....
going for a Tuchel level of manager ie "middle of the table" (excuse the pun) type may not guarantee firstly safety..secondly progression.....
Appointing a "limited" premiership experienced man like Unsworth for me is the biggest gamble.....but may pay off just because of his lack of experience...if that makes sense...
glad it's not me that has to choose.....
Post by: boothill on November 02, 2017, 07:30:51 PM
Other than the Stek and Big Morg (who he signed from Utd), which other players did Koeman sign who he had managed before?Other than the roads, irrigation,education.sanitation,security, what else did the romans do for us, sorry brownie
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 08:17:48 PM
Clearly, he's done wonders for the likes of Mee, Keane, Trippier, Ings, and even Vokes. Any other success stories that I'm missing?
Edit: Dyche signed Chris Long and George Green so clearly he has some awareness of our academy. That's a positive sign, maybe.
Post by: BlueForYou on November 02, 2017, 09:21:21 PM
No Shaun of the dead jokes but the Everton job will kill him
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 02, 2017, 10:05:49 PM
Alastair Campbell has tipped Dyche to become England's next managerMuch better for him to die here than go the way of eriksen,capello,hoddle and big sam.
No Shaun of the dead jokes but the Everton job will kill him
Post by: Coyb12 on November 02, 2017, 10:45:14 PM
That applies to nearly every football club in the country. Take out the so called top 4 or 5 and how many other teams have won anything worth winning? 2, 3?Not interested in other clubs,and Don't try and tell me this club should not have won something in the last 20years.Im not saying I expect us to win the prem but I am saying we should have won something or been challenging the top 4more often.
We all want success but there is a feeling we have a right to it and we don't. Hundreds of football clubs would love to have been in top flight football for all but 4 seasons in our entire history. That in itself is an achievement. Of course we want more - I want to win it all - but what's missing for us is a sense of balance and the reality that it will take several seasons to build something bigger and better and on that journey there will be good and bad experiences.
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 02, 2017, 11:23:10 PM
This is arguably THE biggest managerial decision to be made in our history
We said the same about the last 2, probably Moyes as well.
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 11:33:51 PM
We said the same about the last 2, probably Moyes as well.
They are getting more important
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 12:53:52 AM
They are getting more important
How?
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 12:54:43 AM
How?
Relegation
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 12:59:00 AM
Relegation
1) Not going to happen
2) There was more chance under any manager in the 90s so surely every single one of those was more important?
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 04:58:16 AM
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Post by: dunkster on November 03, 2017, 05:04:15 AM
Will only take half a dozen shit performances and he will be at the end of some severe crowd jeers
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 05:05:56 AM
Guess appointment of sam will prove that owners couldn't give a fuck what the supporters want.
Will only take half a dozen shit performances and he will be at the end of some severe crowd jeers
Not from me or me mates who sit by me.
All rate allerdyce, he will get plenty of support from our block in the paddock
Post by: Jamokachi on November 03, 2017, 05:07:17 AM
Big Sam to be confirmed as the new Everton manager before Sunday
Where's this from?
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 05:15:04 AM
Seems obvious to me, clear that allerdyce has meet up with moshiri and Bill
Also seems clear Sean Dyche wants the Everton job more than Everton want Sean Dyche
Post by: Jamokachi on November 03, 2017, 05:50:38 AM
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Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 06:27:17 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 03, 2017, 06:31:54 AM
It’s a real statement of...what’s the opposite of intent?
Outtent?
Post by: Normm on November 03, 2017, 06:32:35 AM
Post by: Simon Paul on November 05, 2017, 01:42:13 AM
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Post by: therealdunc on November 05, 2017, 01:54:34 AM
We need someone who understands tactics and not someone who tries to blind fans with ‘his love for the club’ as if that means anything from the side of the pitch.
Post by: Escla on November 05, 2017, 02:18:38 AM
talks started yesterday
With who ?
Post by: gizzblue on November 05, 2017, 02:20:11 AM
It's a real statement of...what's the opposite of intent?In this instance ....relegation .
Post by: blargins on November 05, 2017, 02:21:18 AM
Yeah, but what shirts does he wear? Let's see some real styleHe wears brown shoes and cardigans.
Post by: Gash on November 05, 2017, 02:29:30 AM
With who ?
The clue is in the thread title. ;)
Post by: Escla on November 05, 2017, 02:29:46 AM
That’s what I think will happen reading between the lines
Seems obvious to me, clear that allerdyce has meet up with moshiri and Bill
Also seems clear Sean Dyche wants the Everton job more than Everton want Sean Dyche
"Clear that Allerdyce has met with Moshiri and Bill" where do you get that from ?
Post by: Simon Paul on November 05, 2017, 03:05:10 AM
"Clear that Allerdyce has met with Moshiri and Bill" where do you get that from ?
That blag text that was "leaked" on Monday but was clearly utter bollocks
Post by: therealdunc on November 05, 2017, 03:09:17 AM
Prwvioualy, he was happy to deny talking to other clubs and FAs
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 05, 2017, 04:00:59 AM
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2017, 04:23:08 AM
Outtent?
Outhouse more like.
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2017, 05:36:04 AM
<bets the house on Dyche>
<wonders what the fucks the point in anything>
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 05:42:17 AM
It wasn't meant to be like this.
Post by: Redartin on November 05, 2017, 06:22:25 AM
We're finally billionaires, and a year and a half in we are in the relegation places, with a terrible defence, an ill-disciplined central midfield, a dearth of creativity, no pace, and very little goal threat, and we are about to poach the most defensive-minded manager in the league from Burnley.
It wasn't meant to be like this.
Don't know which is the most depressing, watch us slip to 19th in the league today, or reading these threads linking us to Fat Sam & Dyche.