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Title: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Everton News on November 01, 2017, 11:21:15 PM
Blues make Dyche their number one target

Sean Dyche said to be preferred choice for the Manager role.

Source: Blues make Dyche their number one target (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/11/blues-make-dyche-number-one-target/)
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: everton1952 on November 01, 2017, 11:38:59 PM
Well, why not? One thing is absolutely clear from our more recent experiences, you never know for sure how these appointments turn out. Some of the critical comment on here about Dyche seems (only seems)  to be based on him being very British (therefore no good), and comes from the despised little Burnley.  We might be pleasantly surprised, which would make a change from being unpleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Ross on November 01, 2017, 11:39:33 PM
Something’s gone badly wrong backstage if this is true.

You don’t go from “Hollywood” to Lancashire in 18 months just to recover from a poor start while there’s still so much to play for.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Silas on November 01, 2017, 11:40:00 PM
He's very much no one's first choice but no one's worst choice either. He's the footballing equivalent of Bon Jovi
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 11:45:03 PM
I'm still expecting Allardyce tbh
I'm not sure what's the lesser of two evils
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Tinga on November 01, 2017, 11:48:43 PM
Ambitious choice..
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Coyb12 on November 01, 2017, 11:49:56 PM
Something’s gone badly wrong backstage if this is true.

You don’t go from “Hollywood” to Lancashire in 18 months just to recover from a poor start while there’s still so much to play for.
If it's true it's utterly depressing.What fuck is going on?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 01, 2017, 11:51:45 PM
I'm still expecting Allardyce tbh
I'm not sure what's the lesser of two evils

Allardyce is a proven, self-serving bellend of the highest magnitude
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 01, 2017, 11:53:24 PM
The other week I didn't mind the mention of Dyche being linked with us, as I didn't really believe there was a chance of us being relegated, I thought he could be good choice taking us forward, and even if it took a while to bed in, it would be fine.

For some reason now I'm not so confident we definitely won't be in a relegation fight, for that reason I can feel myself leaning towards Allardyce, for a short term fix only.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 01, 2017, 11:54:41 PM
Awful
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: chang on November 02, 2017, 12:00:47 AM
Not my first choice, but if he comes I'll get behind the him.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: gizzblue on November 02, 2017, 12:22:51 AM
Typically Everton ,small or no ambition.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 12:24:43 AM
I think its a little unfair to bracket him alongside Allardyce, in fairness. He's done an exceptional job at Burnley. It's not hugely ambitious no, but infinitely better than Sam, in my view.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Silas on November 02, 2017, 12:38:36 AM
He's also very young in terms of Management so he's got room to grow something that Moyes and Martinez could have done. It's not all doom and gloom if he comes.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 02, 2017, 12:40:22 AM
10/10 should want him over Allardyce.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: cantoffee on November 02, 2017, 12:42:13 AM
Paul Lambert MkII
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 12:42:56 AM
If this is true we're at the Paul Lambert stage of following Villa's path.

Are we really trying to emulate Burnley here? They've scored 2 more goals than us and we've been absolute woeful in front of goal. Plus three of those were in that game at the start of the season versus Chelsea when Chelsea played most of the game a man down.

Is that really the scope of our ambition?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 12:43:17 AM
Paul Lambert MkII

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 02, 2017, 12:44:49 AM
Where the fuck is Pepe Mel when you need him.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 12:47:57 AM
The English simeone get on board boys we’re riding this baby to the top
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 12:48:21 AM
He's very much no one's first choice but no one's worst choice either. He's the footballing equivalent of Bon Jovi

Beg to differ. He is my worst choice. Firmly believe managers can only go so far, for example Moyes always had us in roughly 6th position, when he went to Utd 6th was his limit. Dyche in my eyes has a limit of 14th/15th downwards. Give him a year max, another year wasted and god knows how much he'll piss away on Championship players. Fuck!


Edit: just to clarify, he is my worse choice, Big Sam shouldn't even be mentioned.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 12:54:30 AM
If this is true we're at the Paul Lambert stage of following Villa's path.

Fuck me, it's getting more and more similar every day now... :'(
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 02, 2017, 12:56:38 AM
Given the budget he has and the fact that Burnley are in transition from a Championship side to a Premier league side what has he actually done wrong?
He would appear to have achieved a lot and (don't forget it's all rumours at the moment anyway) is ready to move up a level. Young, ambitious, successful.
Of course it's a risk but so is every managerial appointment at every football club around the world. So is every big money signing. So is every youngster signed forthe future. And so on and so on.

Collectively we are a whingeing, pessimistic, want something for nothing, arrogant bunch at times. Worst of all, we come over just like Man Unt, Chelsea, Arsenal and every other bunch of saddos who want it all and want it all now!
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: D15TIN on November 02, 2017, 01:05:43 AM
Got to get behind him if he comes in

regardless of what we might think
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 01:15:54 AM
Looking at this objectively. He may not be the 'name' we crave or think we need to push on but he is someone who has learnt his trade and brought a team up and who are now competing in the PL. We often talk about the glass ceiling and maybe at another club he can smash through that ceiling in a way he's not able to at Burnley. When people compare Moyes' failure at Utd I think that's unfair. Moyes was always on a loser taking that job after SAF, if he'd have come in after LVG I think he may have had more success.

Dyche not my first choice but he's no where near my bottom choice. This article may have been posted before but it's a fair read and gives me some optimism if he is appointed

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/10/13/sean-dyche-englands-diego-simeone/amp/
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Coyb12 on November 02, 2017, 01:16:58 AM
Given the budget he has and the fact that Burnley are in transition from a Championship side to a Premier league side what has he actually done wrong?
He would appear to have achieved a lot and (don't forget it's all rumours at the moment anyway) is ready to move up a level. Young, ambitious, successful.
Of course it's a risk but so is every managerial appointment at every football club around the world. So is every big money signing. So is every youngster signed forthe future. And so on and so on.

Collectively we are a whingeing, pessimistic, want something for nothing, arrogant bunch at times. Worst of all, we come over just like Man Unt, Chelsea, Arsenal and every other bunch of saddos who want it all and want it all now!
Want it all now you say,we have won fuck all for over 20years.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 01:22:12 AM
If this is true and he does come here then he will have my support 100%.

Yes he is a very underwhelming choice but let's not right him off just yet eh
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: blue slug on November 02, 2017, 01:23:12 AM
It's mad to see how we seem to have gone from all happy with money coming in etc and looking forward to the future to complete capitulation in a matter of months
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 01:40:45 AM
I think its a little unfair to bracket him alongside Allardyce, in fairness. He's done an exceptional job at Burnley. It's not hugely ambitious no, but infinitely better than Sam, in my view.

Actually think Allardyce was at least innovative when he was at Bolton.

His use of data / sports science gave him a usp which lifted them up the table.

I think most teams have caught up which is why his teams’ performances have slid back (a bit like Wenger with his dietary methods and more extensive scouting networks).

I’ve not come across anything re Dyche that lifts him beyond organisation.

Don’t want either but Dyche is massively underwhelming and ultimately more short term than an Allardyce 6 month deal as he’d expect (rightly if we’re approching him) at least 3 year deal.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 02, 2017, 02:00:10 AM
We're down.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 02:01:29 AM
Actually think Allardyce was at least innovative when he was at Bolton.

His use of data / sports science gave him a usp which lifted them up the table.

I think most teams have caught up which is why his teams’ performances have slid back (a bit like Wenger with his dietary methods and more extensive scouting networks).

I’ve not come across anything re Dyche that lifts him beyond organisation.

Don’t want either but Dyche is massively underwhelming and ultimately more short term than an Allardyce 6 month deal as he’d expect (rightly if we’re approching him) at least 3 year deal.

Yeah points taken. I think you could argue that we know Allardyce's ceiling, whereas we don't really know Dyche's at this point. He might step up to working with better players and greater resources and demonstrate a more progressive side. Ok, that's speculation on my part and a punt on the board's part, admittedly.

I've found myself arguing in support of Dyche when I don't want him either. I think I'm just relieved that it's not Allardyce tbh, which isn't a great starting point.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 02:04:31 AM
Well, why not? One thing is absolutely clear from our more recent experiences, you never know for sure how these appointments turn out. Some of the critical comment on here about Dyche seems (only seems)  to be based on him being very British (therefore no good), and comes from the despised little Burnley.  We might be pleasantly surprised, which would make a change from being unpleasantly surprised.

I think the reality is most of us know every little about most of the names. We want the unknown cos it might be fancy rather than something from Burnley. Like you said hiring managers is a lottery anyway. Past a handful you really don't know how it's gonna work out. I'm more than happy with defensive and pragmatic. People want to tell us that puts a ceiling on our potential but it didn't with mourinho or simeone. People are just being snobby
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 02:05:31 AM
We're down.

You seem to have lost your head a bit with all this managerial speculation. I'll remind you of this post when we finish 9th, 26 points adrift of the Top 6 and with a comfortably negative goal difference.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 02:06:32 AM
Beg to differ. He is my worst choice. Firmly believe managers can only go so far, for example Moyes always had us in roughly 6th position, when he went to Utd 6th was his limit. Dyche in my eyes has a limit of 14th/15th downwards. Give him a year max, another year wasted and god knows how much he'll piss away on Championship players. Fuck!


Edit: just to clarify, he is my worse choice, Big Sam shouldn't even be mentioned.

You think his limit is 14th or 15th regardless? You think he'd manage city or Barca to them positions in their leagues. Sorry but that seems an utterly outlandish thing to say.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: TheRam on November 02, 2017, 02:20:19 AM
It's easy to dismiss someone like dyche.

He's done an incredible job at Burnley on a very small budget. Even in the championship they were paupers compared to the teams above them. When he took over them they were looking down towards league one. So to take them from that to 7th in the premier league is a massive achievement.

One thing he's done very well is consistently replace strikers he's had to sell.

Sold Austin, got ings.

Sold ings, got gray.

Sold gray, got Chris wood.

Just thing this job would be a step too far for him. He needs to go to a stoke or west Brom before he can be considered for a job like us.

Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 02:21:01 AM
Yeah points taken. I think you could argue that we know Allardyce's ceiling, whereas we don't really know Dyche's at this point. He might step up to working with better players and greater resources and demonstrate a more progressive side. Ok, that's speculation on my part and a punt on the board's part, admittedly.

I've found myself arguing in support of Dyche when I don't want him either. I think I'm just relieved that it's not Allardyce tbh, which isn't a great starting point.

Ha quite.

But yeah I don’t think there’s any growth for Allardyce and it’s obviously unknown re Dyche.

Just would be massively underenthused.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 02:34:45 AM
You think his limit is 14th or 15th regardless? You think he'd manage city or Barca to them positions in their leagues. Sorry but that seems an utterly outlandish thing to say.

He'd NEVER get near City or Barca unless as a spectator. They don't think small time.

To say City or Barca would let him manage is outlandish.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 02:37:46 AM
He'd NEVER get near City or Barca unless as a spectator. They don't think small time.

That's not what was said. His limit was 14th or 15th regardless was what was said. Managers limits aren't regardless. They are very much dependant on their squad and finances. I could manage city or barca to a top 4 finish. To suggest dyche or anyone is only capable of a certain placing is laughable.
It's just nonsense.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 02:42:39 AM
That's not what was said. His limit was 14th or 15th regardless was what was said. Managers limits aren't regardless. They are very much dependant on their squad and finances. I could manage city or barca to a top 4 finish. To suggest dyche or anyone is only capable of a certain placing is laughable.
It's just nonsense.

Well, all I can say is time will tell, won't it?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 02:47:35 AM
Actually think Allardyce was at least innovative when he was at Bolton.

His use of data / sports science gave him a usp which lifted them up the table.

I think most teams have caught up which is why his teams’ performances have slid back (a bit like Wenger with his dietary methods and more extensive scouting networks).

I’ve not come across anything re Dyche that lifts him beyond organisation.

Don’t want either but Dyche is massively underwhelming and ultimately more short term than an Allardyce 6 month deal as he’d expect (rightly if we’re approching him) at least 3 year deal.

100% agree on some of what you say here. Wengers fitness work was light years ahead and he’s now slid behind the likes of poch etc.

However, I think there IS method beyond organisation in what dyche does. Unless it’s pure chance that he can sacrifice the amount of chances he does without conceding which I can’t see. Squeezing angles seems really important, closing shots in vital areas outside the box (if anyone wants to find how many 25 yarders Burnley have conceded from within the width of the goal mouth I’d be interested!). Makes me think (conjecture) that he can recognise threat and design a system to stop it. Someone will have to come up with something to stop city’s low drilled crosses and cut backs...maybe it will be him!
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 02:54:44 AM
I look at the goal Burnley scored against us and wasn't it something like 40+ passes that dragged us from side to side, had us chasing shadows and then in with the sucker punch? I don't think he's as limited  as some think
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:00:29 AM



One thing he's done very well is consistently replace strikers he's had to sell.

Sold Austin, got ings.

Sold ings, got gray.

Sold gray, got Chris wood.

Just thing this job would be a step too far for him. He needs to go to a stoke or west Brom before he can be considered for a job like us.
I tend to agree, also, whilst those replacements are good I think its slightly easier working in that market than where we want to be. I doubt he has many motivational issues as some of their players will be grateful for the chance he gave them, its different when your dealing with 'superstars' who have more options.  That doesn't mean he couldn't do it, but it's a different ballpark with regards to players, transfers and expectations and is his skillset and managerial style transferable?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Optimistic Blue on November 02, 2017, 03:00:47 AM
One thing I find encouraging about Shaun Dyche is that he seems to learn from his mistakes and improve. If you think Burnley got to the premiership as runners up, got relegated, get promoted as champions, survived with an abysmal away record, which he has already bettered this season.

He has also proven to have a decent record with strikers it seems after they sold Charlie Austin, who was replaced by Danny Ings who was replaced by Andre Gray, now he didn't buy all those and you can put it down to luck but he's managed to maintain a decent goalscorer throughout his time there despite obviously not having the Wonga.

I just think he has shown positive signs as a manager, unlike many flavour of the month championship managers like aidy boothroyd, Owen coyle, Paul Jewell, Malkie Mackay, Iain Dowie, Tony Mowbary, Billy Davies, Aitor Karanka, Brian McDermott or Paul Lambert who reached their ceiling and decline very very rapidly Dyche is still improving and learning lessons which says to be he at least has potential.

It's also easy to forget we are the worst team in the premiership by a country mile, the foundations of anything resembling a team has been destroyed by Ronald Koeman, now is not the time for tuchel to come in and start waxing German tiki taka philosophy on this shower or shite, we need some who can galvanise create a solid defence and motivate the team from someone who captained 4 sides to promotions in his playing career I think he's in with at least a shout x
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: dunkster on November 02, 2017, 03:05:33 AM
Kill me now
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:05:53 AM
I look at the goal Burnley scored against us and wasn't it something like 40+ passes that dragged us from side to side, had us chasing shadows and then in with the sucker punch? I don't think he's as limited  as some think
It was a good goal but that kind of compounds why I don't want him. They did that, we were terrible, looked lethargic and very little threat, but we still had 74% possession or something like that? As soon as they got the lead it was all backs to the wall route one dross, despite the fact we were there for the taking. You could argue they got the result but I personally want to be entertained a bit to.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:10:59 AM
It was a good goal but that kind of compounds why I don't want him. They did that, we were terrible, looked lethargic and very little threat, but we still had 74% possession or something like that? As soon as they got the lead it was all backs to the wall route one dross, despite the fact we were there for the taking. You could argue they got the result but I personally want to be entertained a bit to.

At the moment I'd take winning ugly over anything.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:11:46 AM
Out of interest how did they play when they beat Chelsea? Was it back to the walls stuff for that and they just scored three counter attacking goals?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:12:29 AM
At the moment I'd take winning ugly over anything.
I agree, and if he'd come in until the end of the season id be all for it, I wouldn't want to sign up for 4 or 5 years of it though
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 03:12:55 AM
Out of interest how did they play when they beat Chelsea? Was it back to the walls stuff for that and they just scored three counter attacking goals?

Pretty sure Chelsea had 2 reds. I think on was late though.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:15:47 AM
Out of interest how did they play when they beat Chelsea? Was it back to the walls stuff for that and they just scored three counter attacking goals?
Tbh i have no idea, the stats say they had 38% and 5 shots on goal, but stats can be misleading
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:16:17 AM
Pretty sure Chelsea had 2 reds. I think on was late though.

Be interesting to look at that, the Liverpool game and compare to the game against us
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:16:46 AM
Pretty sure Chelsea had 2 reds. I think on was late though.
Cahill got sent off after 14 mins
Fabregas 81
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2017, 03:17:00 AM
Out of interest how did they play when they beat Chelsea? Was it back to the walls stuff for that and they just scored three counter attacking goals?

Yeah, even in that game they only had 38% possession

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40835426
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2017, 03:18:24 AM
Be interesting to look at that, the Liverpool game and compare to the game against us

29% in the Shite game

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41210051
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:20:00 AM
Yeah, even in that game they only had 38% possession

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40835426


Just looked at that before you posted - 10 shots with 5 on target, 5 corners too with 38% possession
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 03:21:52 AM
Just looked at that before you posted - 10 shots with 5 on target, 5 corners too with 38% possession

Pretty scary image though. the left is all the shots Liverpool had... The right is Burnley

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/86E5/production/_97833543_composite.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 03:23:18 AM
Well, all I can say is time will tell, won't it?

No. It's a nonsense. He might only ever finish them positions but that wouldn't prove that was all he was capable of regardless. Least not unless he gets a variety of jobs and all different levels.
It just makes no sense to suggest that's his ceiling and the squads don't matter
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:24:26 AM
Pretty scary image though. the left is all the shots Liverpool had... The right is Burnley

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/86E5/production/_97833543_composite.jpg)
He's clearly getting results but when you are so happy to concede possession as they seem to be I think your asking for trouble. 
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Risky on November 02, 2017, 03:28:11 AM
I don't know the exact stats, but there was something I read a couple of weeks ago which basically suggested that Burnley had just been incredibly lucky to have done as well as they had so far this season.  Along the lines of they'd conceded a ridiculous amount of chances but a unusually low % had resulted in goals I think.

I'd definitely prefer Dyche to Allardyce mainly because Dyche can't yet be judged on anything other than the kind of managerial situation he's been in at Burnley.  I doubt it, but there is a chance that he could adapt his methods to suit what we'd be expecting of him.  With Allardyce though you know exactly what level of horrendous football you'd have to endure.  Also the fact that Allardyce is a massive bellend as opposed to Dyche only being a minor bellend (I've heard him whinging about the lack of credit he gets quite a bit over the last season or so - an Allardyce-esque personality trait for sure).

Would be really disappointed if we didn't have grander ambitions that Dyche though.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 03:28:41 AM
Lads, Burnley should probably be in League One. They're 9th in the Prem. Of course they will park the bus at Anfield. It's a massive achievement for them to even be able to play in that game.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: hill135 on November 02, 2017, 03:28:42 AM
I think it's perfectly fair to lump him in with Allardyce.

Their football is identical. They're both good coaches for squeezing everything out of limited sides and having them punching slightly above their weight.

The difference is one's an unobjectionable normal bloke, one's an arrogant, corrupt bloke.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:33:40 AM
I think it's perfectly fair to lump him in with Allardyce.

Their football is identical. They're both good coaches for squeezing everything out of limited sides and having them punching slightly above their weight.

The difference is one's an unobjectionable normal bloke, one's an arrogant, corrupt bloke.
One of them is free and probably open to a short term contract, the other we would actually have to buy and would want a long contract.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Heisenberg on November 02, 2017, 03:34:13 AM
This is a worse appointment than what Allarydyce would be. We knows what allardyce would be and so does he. Short term fix. What about next season? Does dyche have us challenging the top 4? winning cups? No he doesn't.

He's a negative type manager. And the only managers who are successful with that nowadays play with unlimited money and the best players.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 02, 2017, 03:34:44 AM
Not sure he's achieved anything Owen Coyle didn't.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 03:38:12 AM
If we are looking at possession percentages surely it's fairer to look at the numbers in the championship against teams with at least similar budgets rather than what he does against squads worth 10 times what burnleys is worth
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 03:38:43 AM
He's a negative type manager. And the only managers who are successful with that nowadays play with unlimited money and the best players.

Huh?

I'm not advocating him or anything, but He's kept Burnley up, and they're currently in 7th with limited money, and the shittiest players.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 03:42:49 AM
This is a worse appointment than what Allarydyce would be. We knows what allardyce would be and so does he. Short term fix. What about next season? Does dyche have us challenging the top 4? winning cups? No he doesn't.

He's a negative type manager. And the only managers who are successful with that nowadays play with unlimited money and the best players.

Atletico have unlimited money? They are constantly losing their best players and replacing them with cheaper. What they have financially has been earned on the back of that negative football

Really don't understand the suggestion that 1 type of football is more successful than another. Leicester won the league playing negative football. Which teams are successful playing open football on a small budget. I'd suggest the only examples of success on a limited budget are Leicester and atletico both playing defensive football
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Heisenberg on November 02, 2017, 03:49:35 AM
Atletico have unlimited money? They are constantly losing their best players and replacing them with cheaper. What they have financially has been earned on the back of that negative football

Really don't understand the suggestion that 1 type of football is more successful than another. Leicester won the league playing negative football. Which teams are successful playing open football on a small budget. I'd suggest the only examples of success on a limited budget are Leicester and atletico both playing defensive football

Both are terrible terrible examples. Atletico playing negative football is a myth. In certain big games yes.  Some of the technical players they have had over the years we could only dream of.

Leicester as well. Not negative. They fought fire with fire that seasson. The opposite of what an allardyce type team does.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 03:56:55 AM
Both are terrible terrible examples. Atletico playing negative football is a myth. In certain big games yes.  Some of the technical players they have had over the years we could only dream of.

Leicester as well. Not negative. They fought fire with fire that seasson. The opposite of what an allardyce type team does.

Atletico play negative football with some great players. Think that's kind of my point. The football gets better depending on the squad. Dyche here (with a successful transfer window) would play much better football than dyche at Burnley. It's the players much more than the managers style that defines the standard.

Leicester and atletico are both defensive non possession teams. Who plays open football on their budgets with anything like their success.

I actually think it's easier to get results playing defensively. You can organise a defence brilliantly much easier than you can get 4 or 5 world class players on a budget
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:57:20 AM
Quick lets get Dyche signed, we've just been linked to Pardew and he's in to 14-1, id honestly consider defecting to the reds if we got him as manager!😣
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Running Blue on November 02, 2017, 04:08:04 AM
Quick lets get Dyche signed, we've just been linked to Pardew and he's in to 14-1, id honestly consider defecting to the reds if we got him as manager!😣

Then you were never a Blue to begin with.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 04:12:25 AM
Carl Robinson.

@Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169)  may know him!
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 04:23:41 AM
Carl Robinson.

@Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169)  may know him!

Wales midfielder? What about him?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Gash on November 02, 2017, 04:24:28 AM
(http://www.pound4pound.com/Photos/BretNewton/Photoshops/2011/BottomOfTheBarrelPromotions.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 04:25:13 AM
Wales midfielder? What about him?

Was throwing his hat into the ring for our new coach.

He's done wonders with the Whitecaps.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Gash on November 02, 2017, 04:25:30 AM
Wales midfielder? What about him?

I think he means Karl Robinson.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: blue slug on November 02, 2017, 04:27:57 AM
(http://www.pound4pound.com/Photos/BretNewton/Photoshops/2011/BottomOfTheBarrelPromotions.jpg)

I think we've gone beyond the barrel now gash
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Heisenberg on November 02, 2017, 04:31:50 AM
Number one target Dyche though. Start at the top and work your way to dyche at least!
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 02, 2017, 04:33:36 AM
Want it all now you say,we have won fuck all for over 20years.
That applies to nearly every football club in the country. Take out the so called top 4 or 5 and how many other teams have won anything worth winning? 2, 3?
We all want success but there is a feeling we have a right to it and we don't. Hundreds of football clubs would love to have been in top flight football for all but 4 seasons in our entire history. That in itself is an achievement. Of course we want more - I want to win it all - but what's missing for us is a sense of balance and the reality that it will take several seasons to build something bigger and better and on that journey there will be good and bad experiences.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: ally2 on November 02, 2017, 04:35:00 AM

Sold Austin, got ings.

Sold ings, got gray.

Sold gray, got Chris wood.


Well I certainly won't be getting wood if Dyche is our next manager
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 02, 2017, 04:46:02 AM
Yeah points taken. I think you could argue that we know Allardyce's ceiling, whereas we don't really know Dyche's at this point. He might step up to working with better players and greater resources and demonstrate a more progressive side. Ok, that's speculation on my part and a punt on the board's part, admittedly.

I've found myself arguing in support of Dyche when I don't want him either. I think I'm just relieved that it's not Allardyce tbh, which isn't a great starting point.

I know that's exactly where I am, but it's a reprieve from the gallows so I will take it.  I can at least watch the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 04:49:54 AM
I am jokin about the Carl Robinson shout.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 02, 2017, 04:54:27 AM
You seem to have lost your head a bit with all this managerial speculation. I'll remind you of this post when we finish 9th, 26 points adrift of the Top 6 and with a comfortably negative goal difference.
Depressing that that’s probably our best case scenario.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 02, 2017, 04:58:34 AM
Depressing that that’s probably our best case scenario.

This has been a rather depressing year, has it not?  I'm still waiting for a representative of the government to come over and kick me in the head.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 05:16:56 AM
Tomorrow's papers all going quite big on Allardyce:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-unsworth-primed-two-cup-11450260
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/656881/Everton-news-David-Unsworth-fend-off-Sam-Allardyce-for-managers-job
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5040901/Everton-hold-preliminary-discussions-Sam-Allardyce.html
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/874293/Everton-next-manager-David-Unsworth-Sam-Allardyce-talks
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 05:22:49 AM
Huh?

I'm not advocating him or anything, but He's kept Burnley up, and they're currently in 7th with limited money, and the shittiest players.

Some of those shittiest players could be here come January.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 05:23:36 AM
Tomorrow's papers all going quite big on Allardyce:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-unsworth-primed-two-cup-11450260
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/656881/Everton-news-David-Unsworth-fend-off-Sam-Allardyce-for-managers-job
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5040901/Everton-hold-preliminary-discussions-Sam-Allardyce.html
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/874293/Everton-next-manager-David-Unsworth-Sam-Allardyce-talks

Just fucking shoot me now
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 02, 2017, 05:37:57 AM
In what world would we actually be looking at bringing Allardyce in? I just can’t see it happening, he’s a Palace/West Ham level manager.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: bluestevie on November 02, 2017, 05:38:25 AM
That Mirror article even names the 3 fucking better choices than fucking Allardyce, the two most fans want and Guus Hiddink.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 05:39:18 AM
Has Moshiri blown all his money on gambling and hookers or something. How have we come to this?
A few months back we were having a wankfest cause we bought a couple of players in the same day.
Fuck you Ronald Koeman may the hairs on your balls turn to drumsticks and batter you to death.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 05:40:10 AM
It is basically the same article in all of those rags. Probably emailed it to each other
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Jamokachi on November 02, 2017, 05:51:53 AM
He's not first choice.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Jamokachi on November 02, 2017, 05:53:35 AM
Tomorrow's papers all going quite big on Allardyce:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-unsworth-primed-two-cup-11450260
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/656881/Everton-news-David-Unsworth-fend-off-Sam-Allardyce-for-managers-job
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5040901/Everton-hold-preliminary-discussions-Sam-Allardyce.html
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/874293/Everton-next-manager-David-Unsworth-Sam-Allardyce-talks

Not decent papers are they though? Wouldn't pay any attention to a word they say.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Jamokachi on November 02, 2017, 05:56:38 AM
It's like there's collective amnesia around here, and in all of the rags. Moshiri has stated time and time again of his ambitions with Everton. We made Koeman our number 1 target when he was being touted for the top jobs, and we went and got him (for better or worse). We're not all of a sudden going to turn to a no mark like Big Sam. There's ambition within this club, whether you chose to believe it or not.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 05:57:17 AM
Some of those shittiest players could be here come January.

You do talk some shite. Why would he suddenly bring loads of Burnley players here. They cut their cloth accordingly. He's not signed them for Burnley because he thinks they are better than Messi and Ronaldo he's signed them because they were the best he could attract. It's utterly delusional to suggest he'd bring an array of shite players with him
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 05:59:54 AM
It's like there's collective amnesia around here, and in all of the rags. Moshiri has stated time and time again of his ambitions with Everton. We made Koeman our number 1 target when he was being touted for the top jobs, and we went and got him (for better or worse). We're not all of a sudden going to turn to a no mark like Big Sam. There's ambition within this club, whether you chose to believe it or not.

Why are we even interviewing him then?

I don't think it's quite as clear cut as that. Fear often trumps hope as an emotion.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Jamokachi on November 02, 2017, 06:01:18 AM
Why are we even interviewing him then?

I don't think we are.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 06:14:28 AM
You do talk some shite. Why would he suddenly bring loads of Burnley players here. They cut their cloth accordingly. He's not signed them for Burnley because he thinks they are better than Messi and Ronaldo he's signed them because they were the best he could attract. It's utterly delusional to suggest he'd bring an array of shite players with him

Wish you could read.
In what world, apart from yours, does "some of those players" suddenly become "loads of Burnley players"?

But in answer to your question "why would he bring Burnley players", because they are all he fucking knows about.
Martinez did it, Koeman did it, Moyes did it. They all fucking do it.
Don't think Dyche would have earmarked many Champions League type players at Burnley, do you.

BTW if you ever do get your hands into his underpants in real life maybe you could crank his balls up a bit and fix his voice.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 06:17:01 AM
Wish you could read.
In what world, apart from yours, does "some of those players" suddenly become "loads of Burnley players"?

But in answer to your question "why would he bring Burnley players", because they are all he fucking knows about.
Martinez did it, Koeman did it, Moyes did it. They all fucking do it.
Don't think Dyche would have earmarked many Champions League type players at Burnley, do you.

BTW if you ever do get your hands into his underpants in real life maybe you could crank his balls up a bit and fix his voice.

Other than the Stek and Big Morg (who he signed from Utd), which other players did Koeman sign who he had managed before?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 02, 2017, 06:18:11 AM
Other than the Stek and Big Morg (who he signed from Utd), which other players did Koeman sign who he had managed before?

Martina
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 06:18:48 AM
Martina

I knew there was someone I'd missed.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 06:29:09 AM
Wish you could read.
In what world, apart from yours, does "some of those players" suddenly become "loads of Burnley players"?

But in answer to your question "why would he bring Burnley players", because they are all he fucking knows about.
Martinez did it, Koeman did it, Moyes did it. They all fucking do it.
Don't think Dyche would have earmarked many Champions League type players at Burnley, do you.

BTW if you ever do get your hands into his underpants in real life maybe you could crank his balls up a bit and fix his voice.

Well what's some. I'd say that suggests 3 or 4 which really is loads. Moyes signed 1 tried to sign 2 in total. 1 was at the time the best left back in the league. Who do you imagine dyche would bring with him.

As for wanking him off. He's really not my type and you really misunderstand my view anyway. I'm not particularly pro dyche. I'm just anti your utter nonsense. 14th or 15th is his ceiling and he'll sign some really shit Burnley players. It's just scaremongering crap to be honest. Your 1st claim has no basis in anything that's come before and your second is just extremely unlikely.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 06:30:05 AM
I knew there was someone I'd missed.

How could you forget the best one.  :whistle:
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Ross on November 02, 2017, 06:42:05 AM
How could you forget the best one.  :whistle:

Don’t forget he was after Sigurdsson when he was Southampton manager.

They just had the brains to keep him away from the till.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: blargins on November 02, 2017, 06:44:27 AM
Something's gone badly wrong backstage if this is true.

You don't go from "Hollywood” to Lancashire in 18 months just to recover from a poor start while there's still so much to play for.
In fairness Hollywood is full of perverts and rapists. Maybe grass roots is better.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 06:57:12 AM
Well what's some. I'd say that suggests 3 or 4 which really is loads. Moyes signed 1 tried to sign 2 in total. 1 was at the time the best left back in the league. Who do you imagine dyche would bring with him.

As for wanking him off. He's really not my type and you really misunderstand my view anyway. I'm not particularly pro dyche. I'm just anti your utter nonsense. 14th or 15th is his ceiling and he'll sign some really shit Burnley players. It's just scaremongering crap to be honest. Your 1st claim has no basis in anything that's come before and your second is just extremely unlikely.

1) Moyes practically emptied out treatment room when he went to Sunderland.

2) we need a few positions sorted, eg forward. Dyche may think Chris Wood could do a job. He may think Robbie Brady could be a Baines back up plus utility player. He may bring Tarkowski in as another CD.
Now please note I have said Dyche may think, not I think.

3) someone else said they were shit players, I just said some of them may be here come Jan

4) The manager thing. There are top 4 managers eg Mourinho, Pep, Wenger. Just behind there you have your Klopps, Rafa, Moyes when he was with us and Utd. There are mid table managers like Pulis, Hughes etc (shouldn't get relegated but highly unlikely to ever win the league) So in my view, (note my view), I think managers have ceilings and Dyche's ceiling,( in my opinion), is not near where we want to be.

As I said earlier time will tell both about Dyche and if SOME Burnley players end up with us.

Also I never mentioned wanking him off, just fondling his balls will suffice.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 07:10:32 AM
1) Moyes practically emptied out treatment room when he went to Sunderland.

2) we need a few positions sorted, eg forward. Dyche may think Chris Wood could do a job. He may think Robbie Brady could be a Baines back up plus utility player. He may bring Tarkowski in as another CD.
Now please note I have said Dyche may think, not I think.

3) someone else said they were shit players, I just said some of them may be here come Jan

4) The manager thing. There are top 4 managers eg Mourinho, Pep, Wenger. Just behind there you have your Klopps, Rafa, Moyes when he was with us and Utd. There are mid table managers like Pulis, Hughes etc (shouldn't get relegated but highly unlikely to ever win the league) So in my view, (note my view), I think managers have ceilings and Dyche's ceiling,( in my opinion), is not near where we want to be.

As I said earlier time will tell both about Dyche and if SOME Burnley players end up with us.

Also I never mentioned wanking him off, just fondling his balls will suffice.

His ceiling is absolutely dependant on the squad and club finances where he's managing. How can his ceiling here be 14th or 15th now and still the same 14th or 15th if we spent 100m or 200m more. It just defies logic.

As for the players if you don't think it will happen and I don't think it will happen we've (me and you have little to worry about)
Moyes was a bit different. His job at Sunderland was a downgrade in finances and status.

I'm not overly in favour of dyche but I'm absolutely not having that if we signed him and he spent 4 or 5 years here the absolute best he could manage is 14th. That could be what happens but it's not his ceiling. I'm not actually sure managers have ceilings. Koeman or Martinez could have gone to Barcelona and won a treble. Enrique did. Mancini who for me is crap won the title. Avram grant got to a champions league final. Di Matteo won it. Finances dictate in the main.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 07:21:36 AM
We'll agree to differ, but if he does come here and the best he can manage is 14th I sincerely hope he doesn't get to stay 4 or 5 years.

Just as a matter of interest, can you really see us breaking into the top 4 under him?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 12:36:52 PM
We'll agree to differ, but if he does come here and the best he can manage is 14th I sincerely hope he doesn't get to stay 4 or 5 years.

Just as a matter of interest, can you really see us breaking into the top 4 under him?

Probably not. We are 3rd bottom though. Can you really see us breaking the top 4 under anyone?

Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 02:17:20 PM
How could you forget the best one.  :whistle:

God knows
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: sirblue57 on November 02, 2017, 02:26:41 PM
Moyes ceiling,according to finance. Was about 14th, yet he achieved far better consistently. And still gets little respect for it. IF Dyche came and achieved top 6 with the increase in budget, that should be deemed failure. Does anyone think he could build a team to achieve better than top 6?

I'm not sure, and for that reason I don't want him I want someone who HAS built teams that can compete with the top 6.
Tuchel if we can get him.
But it's down to the board to get it right, even having our name mentioned with certain managers should be discouraged.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 02, 2017, 02:36:23 PM
Wish you could read.
In what world, apart from yours, does "some of those players" suddenly become "loads of Burnley players"?

But in answer to your question "why would he bring Burnley players", because they are all he fucking knows about.
Martinez did it, Koeman did it, Moyes did it. They all fucking do it.
Don't think Dyche would have earmarked many Champions League type players at Burnley, do you.

BTW if you ever do get your hands into his underpants in real life maybe you could crank his balls up a bit and fix his voice.
...well, it’s a good job the manager doesn’t choose which players we sign then.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 02:48:38 PM
Moyes ceiling,according to finance. Was about 14th, yet he achieved far better consistently. And still gets little respect for it. IF Dyche came and achieved top 6 with the increase in budget, that should be deemed failure. Does anyone think he could build a team to achieve better than top 6?

I'm not sure, and for that reason I don't want him I want someone who HAS built teams that can compete with the top 6.
Tuchel if we can get him.
But it's down to the board to get it right, even having our name mentioned with certain managers should be discouraged.

Moyes got plenty of respect, ten years of unequivocal backing from the board and fans and a standing ovation when he took the biggest job in English football.

Since then however his career has nosedived due to failure on his own part.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: sirblue57 on November 02, 2017, 03:07:20 PM
My point was about ceilings mate. Moyes should not be labelled with fat Sam. And not sure about Dyche yet. Just sick of some of the shirt we have been linked with.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:10:13 PM
My point was about ceilings mate. Moyes should not be labelled with fat Sam. And not sure about Dyche yet. Just sick of some of the shirt we have been linked with.

Ben Sherman? Thomas Burberry? Charles Tyrwhitt? I agree - big names but not necessarily the managers we are looking for
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 03:13:19 PM
We’re utterly styleless at the moment and whatever else you can level at dyche he has a very clear style that he imprints on his side. That cohesion would do us good I think.

Can’t believe I’m so on board with dyche, potentially just worried about going down and scrabbling for positivity amidst rumours of allardyce.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:18:05 PM
We’re utterly styleless at the moment and whatever else you can level at dyche he has a very clear style that he imprints on his side. That cohesion would do us good I think.

Can’t believe I’m so on board with dyche, potentially just worried about going down and scrabbling for positivity amidst rumours of allardyce.

Yeah, but what shirts does he wear? Let's see some real style
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 03:26:13 PM
We’re utterly styleless at the moment and whatever else you can level at dyche he has a very clear style that he imprints on his side. That cohesion would do us good I think.

Can’t believe I’m so on board with dyche, potentially just worried about going down and scrabbling for positivity amidst rumours of allardyce.

Any decent manager will put their identity on the side though.

Don’t think he wouldn’t organise the team but as we’ve so long in the season left then the following seasons need to be considered too.

Grim with Dyche and Allardyce metaphorically blocking the sun every morning.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 02, 2017, 03:34:20 PM
Fun Starwars fact of the day:

Did you know that if you shaved a Wookie it would look like Sean Dyche?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: sirblue57 on November 02, 2017, 03:45:15 PM
Ben Sherman? Thomas Burberry? Charles Tyrwhitt? I agree - big names but not necessarily the managers we are looking for

And that's what you get for not checking if autocorrect has fucked with your post.. lolol

Git.... lolol
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Brownie20 on November 02, 2017, 03:51:03 PM
And that's what you get for not checking if autocorrect has fucked with your post.. lolol

Git.... lolol

I'm just amazed how sharp I was before my morning cup of coffee
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: formerKHL on November 02, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
the new manager position is a conundrum in itself....
easy for us to post who we wish for....the actual choice of right person....This is arguably THE biggest managerial decision to be made in our history......TBH I wouldn't like to be making that decision...

not only do you have to satisfy, the board, the shareholders, the players and the fan base, but in our case the history of the club...

In my opinion....appointing Dyche or Allerdyce is a kneejerk reaction to our current position...
going for a "big name" manager is a gamble as can we afford to be looking long term..in our current position.....
going for a Tuchel level of manager ie "middle of the table" (excuse the pun) type may not guarantee firstly safety..secondly progression.....
Appointing a "limited" premiership experienced man like Unsworth for me is the biggest gamble.....but may pay off just because of his lack of experience...if that makes sense...

glad it's not me that has to choose.....
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: boothill on November 02, 2017, 07:30:51 PM
Other than the Stek and Big Morg (who he signed from Utd), which other players did Koeman sign who he had managed before?
Other than the roads, irrigation,education.sanitation,security, what else did the romans do for us, sorry brownie
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 08:17:48 PM
How is Dyche's record with young players? Not necessarily academy players, because Burnley don't have much of an academy, but young players in general.

Clearly, he's done wonders for the likes of Mee, Keane, Trippier, Ings, and even Vokes. Any other success stories that I'm missing?

Edit: Dyche signed Chris Long and George Green so clearly he has some awareness of our academy. That's a positive sign, maybe.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: BlueForYou on November 02, 2017, 09:21:21 PM
Alastair Campbell has tipped Dyche to become England's next manager

No Shaun of the dead jokes but the Everton job will kill him
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 02, 2017, 10:05:49 PM
Alastair Campbell has tipped Dyche to become England's next manager

No Shaun of the dead jokes but the Everton job will kill him
Much better for him to die here than go the way of eriksen,capello,hoddle and big sam.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Coyb12 on November 02, 2017, 10:45:14 PM
That applies to nearly every football club in the country. Take out the so called top 4 or 5 and how many other teams have won anything worth winning? 2, 3?
We all want success but there is a feeling we have a right to it and we don't. Hundreds of football clubs would love to have been in top flight football for all but 4 seasons in our entire history. That in itself is an achievement. Of course we want more - I want to win it all - but what's missing for us is a sense of balance and the reality that it will take several seasons to build something bigger and better and on that journey there will be good and bad experiences.
Not interested in other clubs,and Don't try and tell me this club should not have won something in the last 20years.Im not saying I expect us to win the prem but I am saying we should have won something or been challenging the top 4more often.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 02, 2017, 11:23:10 PM
This is arguably THE biggest managerial decision to be made in our history

We said the same about the last 2, probably Moyes as well.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 11:33:51 PM
We said the same about the last 2, probably Moyes as well.

They are getting more important
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 12:53:52 AM
They are getting more important

How?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 12:54:43 AM
How?

Relegation
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 12:59:00 AM
Relegation

1) Not going to happen
2) There was more chance under any manager in the 90s so surely every single one of those was more important?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 04:58:16 AM
Big Sam to be confirmed as the new Everton manager before Sunday
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: dunkster on November 03, 2017, 05:01:46 AM
Feel sick
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: dunkster on November 03, 2017, 05:04:15 AM
Guess appointment of sam will prove that owners couldn't give a fuck what the supporters want.
Will only take half a dozen shit performances and he will be at the end of some severe crowd jeers
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 05:05:56 AM
Guess appointment of sam will prove that owners couldn't give a fuck what the supporters want.
Will only take half a dozen shit performances and he will be at the end of some severe crowd jeers

Not from me or me mates who sit by me.

All rate allerdyce, he will get plenty of support from our block in the paddock
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Jamokachi on November 03, 2017, 05:07:17 AM
Big Sam to be confirmed as the new Everton manager before Sunday

Where's this from?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 05:15:04 AM
That’s what I think will happen reading between the lines

Seems obvious to me, clear that allerdyce has meet up with moshiri and Bill

Also seems clear Sean Dyche wants the Everton job more than Everton want Sean Dyche

Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Jamokachi on November 03, 2017, 05:50:38 AM
FFS
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: bluestevie on November 03, 2017, 05:54:39 AM
Hiring that pie arsed, gum chewing, smug as hell bellend will be the lowest point in this club's history since we went down in 1951
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 06:27:17 AM
It’s a real statement of...what’s the opposite of intent?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 03, 2017, 06:31:54 AM
It’s a real statement of...what’s the opposite of intent?

Outtent?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Normm on November 03, 2017, 06:32:35 AM
No decision till after Sunday is my guess. One more shake of the dice for Unsworth to put together some semblance of a team that might win.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Simon Paul on November 05, 2017, 01:42:13 AM
talks started yesterday
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: everton1952 on November 05, 2017, 01:52:41 AM
It matters that we beat Watford but that should not give Unsie the job. We must aim for someone who knows how to dig us out of a deepening hole.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: therealdunc on November 05, 2017, 01:54:34 AM
Agree, don’t give it to Unsworth under any circumstances.

We need someone who understands tactics and not someone who tries to blind fans with ‘his love for the club’ as if that means anything from the side of the pitch.

Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Escla on November 05, 2017, 02:18:38 AM
talks started yesterday

With who ?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: gizzblue on November 05, 2017, 02:20:11 AM
It's a real statement of...what's the opposite of intent?
In this instance ....relegation .
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: blargins on November 05, 2017, 02:21:18 AM
Yeah, but what shirts does he wear? Let's see some real style
He wears brown shoes and cardigans.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Gash on November 05, 2017, 02:29:30 AM
With who ?

The clue is in the thread title. ;)
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Escla on November 05, 2017, 02:29:46 AM
That’s what I think will happen reading between the lines

Seems obvious to me, clear that allerdyce has meet up with moshiri and Bill

Also seems clear Sean Dyche wants the Everton job more than Everton want Sean Dyche

"Clear that Allerdyce has met with Moshiri and Bill" where do you get that from ?
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Simon Paul on November 05, 2017, 03:05:10 AM
"Clear that Allerdyce has met with Moshiri and Bill" where do you get that from ?

That blag text that was "leaked" on Monday but was clearly utter bollocks
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: therealdunc on November 05, 2017, 03:09:17 AM
Mark Curtis who is still advising big Sam refused to confirm or deny if they had spoken to Everton.

Prwvioualy, he was happy to deny talking to other clubs and FAs
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 05, 2017, 04:00:59 AM
<bets the house on Dyche>
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2017, 04:23:08 AM
Outtent?

Outhouse more like.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2017, 05:36:04 AM
<bets the house on Dyche>

<wonders what the fucks the point in anything>
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 05:42:17 AM
We're finally billionaires, and a year and a half in we are in the relegation places, with a terrible defence, an ill-disciplined central midfield, a dearth of creativity, no pace, and very little goal threat, and we are about to poach the most defensive-minded manager in the league from Burnley.

It wasn't meant to be like this.
Title: Re: [News]Blues make Dyche their number one target
Post by: Redartin on November 05, 2017, 06:22:25 AM
We're finally billionaires, and a year and a half in we are in the relegation places, with a terrible defence, an ill-disciplined central midfield, a dearth of creativity, no pace, and very little goal threat, and we are about to poach the most defensive-minded manager in the league from Burnley.

It wasn't meant to be like this.

Don't know which is the most depressing, watch us slip to 19th in the league today, or reading these threads linking us to Fat Sam & Dyche.