Post by: Shogun on December 27, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 27, 2017, 04:03:26 AM
Post by: everton1952 on December 27, 2017, 04:04:06 AM
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Post by: blargins on December 27, 2017, 04:17:11 AM
But we shouldn't be relying on him anyway.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 27, 2017, 04:22:05 AM
Just sayin’
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 27, 2017, 04:40:18 AM
Anyone doubting his ''illness'?I am.
He wouldn't visit a hospital full of kids if he had the flu.
Post by: bluenuck on December 27, 2017, 04:42:53 AM
I have no idea why, but it does seem fishy for whatever reason.
Post by: Lxxx on December 27, 2017, 05:08:39 AM
Time off to save his marriage more like.
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 27, 2017, 05:43:29 AM
The lad loves playing football and you think he's ringing in sick cos he can't be arsed over Christmas?
He plays for Everton, not work for the fuckin council you bell.
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 27, 2017, 05:45:14 AM
I am.
He wouldn't visit a hospital full of kids if he had the flu.
You can still go into hospitals if you're ill? To a degree.
Post by: chang on December 27, 2017, 05:57:03 AM
I am.
He wouldn't visit a hospital full of kids if he had the flu.
Maybe caught it there ?
but to answer the question "no" - read he travelled the WBA last night with the squad but sent home this morning ?
Post by: blargins on December 27, 2017, 06:01:25 AM
A grown man, fit professional sportsman no less, off work for a week with a cold?
Time off to save his marriage more like.
Man flu.
Completely understandable if it's that.
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 27, 2017, 07:21:18 AM
Post by: Simon Paul on December 27, 2017, 01:25:06 PM
You can still go into hospitals if you're ill? To a degree.
You're an absolute twat if you go into a hospital full of kids you don't know who have no immune systems while you've got the flu though
But then who says he visited at the time the news was released?
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 27, 2017, 02:20:12 PM
You're an absolute twat if you go into a hospital full of kids you don't know who have no immune systems while you've got the flu though
But then who says he visited at the time the news was released?
That's why I said "to a degree" you melt.
Post by: Gary1878 on December 27, 2017, 04:36:45 PM
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Post by: Macca77 on December 27, 2017, 06:49:02 PM
https://twitter.com/WayneRooney/status/945312985421139968
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 27, 2017, 07:46:25 PM
Post by: Escla on December 27, 2017, 08:12:18 PM
Post by: blue1948 on December 27, 2017, 08:24:44 PM
I think we can all agree he probably didn’t.Evidence please !----and all the best to you and yours for the New Year
Post by: Lxxx on December 27, 2017, 08:34:02 PM
Evidence please !----and all the best to you and yours for the New Year
I think it’s hospital policy across the board not to allow sick visitors into wards where there are sick children. Regardless if you are England’s top goal scorer or not.
Post by: therealdunc on December 27, 2017, 08:37:51 PM
I think we can all agree you shouldn’t go into a kids hospital if you have or suspect you might have the flu. Even just a little bit of it.Disagree
Jimmy Saville didn’t have the flu
He should never have been allowed in a kids hospital
Post by: Simon Paul on December 27, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
Evidence please !----and all the best to you and yours for the New Year
It's entirely probable that it was done a few days beforehand in order to get the release out to the media
These types of visits are heavily managed on both sides of the coin which is less possible to do on Christmas Day itself
He's donated a huge sum of money to several charities though, so a bit of stage management doesn't really matter.
If he hadn't got the flu nobody would have paid it any attention
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 27, 2017, 08:40:45 PM
It's entirely probable that it was done a few days beforehand in order to get the release out to the mediaMe sister is head of the high dependcy ward at Alderhey...... She was saying that the players won't come in there. Only Rooney and Carragher did
These types of visits are heavily managed on both sides of the coin which is less possible to do on Christmas Day itself
He's donated a huge sum of money to several charities though, so a bit of stage management doesn't really matter.
If he hadn't got the flu nobody would have paid it any attention
Post by: Simon Paul on December 27, 2017, 09:57:56 PM
Me sister is head of the high dependcy ward at Alderhey...... She was saying that the players won't come in there. Only Rooney and Carragher did
It's a heavy place mate to be fair
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 27, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
It's a heavy place mate to be fairI know yeah, she said she understands but fair play to rooney and Carragher
Post by: Simon Paul on December 27, 2017, 10:19:25 PM
I know yeah, she said she understands but fair play to rooney and Carragher
Yeah definitely
Not somewhere many people go voluntarily like
Post by: Nicco on December 27, 2017, 10:36:23 PM
Yeah definitelyTrue, the one place you dont wish even your worst enemy to spend time at 🙏
Not somewhere many people go voluntarily like
Truly horrible experience.
Post by: Lxxx on December 27, 2017, 10:36:41 PM
Yeah definitely
Not somewhere many people go voluntarily like
Heart-breaking. I work with individuals who have been told by the medical system there's nothing more they can do, some of them kids, and we try and bring them back from the brink when allopathic medicine has failed them. It's tough meeting people at their lowest point.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 27, 2017, 10:37:02 PM
True, the one place you dont wish even your worst enemy to spend time atDunno how my sister does it tbh
Truly horrible experience.
Post by: Simon Paul on December 27, 2017, 10:52:48 PM
Dunno how my sister does it tbh
The happy stories will outweigh the sad ones by a million miles
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 27, 2017, 10:53:32 PM
The happy stories will outweigh the sad ones by a million milesI'm sure they do pal. She's still smiling so thats a bonus
Post by: Nicco on December 27, 2017, 10:55:12 PM
Dunno how my sister does it tbhYou dont know how strong you are until strong is your only option...
Post by: mikey_blue on December 27, 2017, 11:02:53 PM
Heart-breaking. I work with individuals who have been told by the medical system there's nothing more they can do, some of them kids, and we try and bring them back from the brink when allopathic medicine has failed them. It's tough meeting people at their lowest point.
We don't know we're born, sometimes.
Post by: Confucius on December 27, 2017, 11:12:27 PM
I know yeah, she said she understands but fair play to rooney and Carragher
i like Carragher. Something very Evertonian about him.
Post by: Simon Paul on December 28, 2017, 02:04:29 AM
i like Carragher. Something very Evertonian about him.
He doesn't know what he is anymore does he?
Post by: Simon Paul on December 28, 2017, 02:04:59 AM
i like Carragher. Something very Evertonian about him.
He doesn't know what he is anymore does he?
Becoming a parody of himself at times
Post by: Confucius on December 28, 2017, 03:00:29 AM
He doesn't know what he is anymore does he?
Becoming a parody of himself at times
Maybe. Always reckon he is quite fair towards us when being serious. Changes around derby days but then he is playing to the crow a bit.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 28, 2017, 03:26:10 AM
He doesn't know what he is anymore does he?
you can say that again......
Post by: boothill on December 28, 2017, 11:44:15 AM
Behave Shogs.so he doesnt have a ship named dignity either ? fuck
The lad loves playing football and you think he's ringing in sick cos he can't be arsed over Christmas?
He plays for Everton, not work for the fuckin council you bell.
Post by: Redartin on December 28, 2017, 11:49:29 AM
Maybe. Always reckon he is quite fair towards us when being serious. Changes around derby days but then he is playing to the crow a bit.
Yeah he certainly likes the birds.
Post by: Everton Mint on December 29, 2017, 12:58:23 AM
And it IS quite dangerous for a athlete to perform when they're ill.
Post by: Lxxx on December 29, 2017, 03:04:38 AM
The doubts of Rooney's illness were dispelled for me by the official story of him travelling for WBA game but getting sent home with a virus.
And it IS quite dangerous for a athlete to perform when they're ill.
Allardyce also said he was sent home with antibiotics and anyone who knows anything about health knows that antibiotics are useless against anything viral and thus aren’t prescribed or recommended.
Post by: blargins on December 29, 2017, 03:20:02 AM
Allardyce also said he was sent home with antibiotics and anyone who knows anything about health knows that antibiotics are useless against anything viral and thus aren’t prescribed or recommended.
Yeah but most docs prescribe them just to keep you happy and out their office.
Post by: Simon Paul on December 29, 2017, 03:21:33 AM
Yeah but most docs prescribe them just to keep you happy and out their office.
Not when you're not paying the doctor personally
Post by: Lxxx on December 29, 2017, 03:22:29 AM
Yeah but most docs prescribe them just to keep you happy and out their office.
I’m presuming we pay for a more premium standard of healthcare advice than that.
Post by: blargins on December 29, 2017, 05:09:27 AM
I’m presuming we pay for a more premium standard of healthcare advice than that.
I was thinking back to my nhs days.
Haven't been prescribed antibiotics for a virus since.
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 29, 2017, 05:54:02 AM
Everton appear confident Rooney will make a full recovery.
Post by: bluenuck on December 29, 2017, 01:21:29 PM
It's a like a "doctor" Phil episode in here now. What the fuck do you lads know about anything antibiotics? Lmao.
Anyone even have a phd??
lolol
Post by: Brownie on December 29, 2017, 03:12:32 PM
Lol.
It's a like a "doctor" Phil episode in here now. What the fuck do you lads know about anything antibiotics? Lmao.
Anyone even have a phd??
lolol
Yeah, but I don't think mine means what you think it means 😉
Post by: Escla on December 29, 2017, 04:15:55 PM
The doubts of Rooney's illness were dispelled for me by the official story of him travelling for WBA game but getting sent home with a virus.
And it IS quite dangerous for a athlete to perform when they're ill.
Not sure why there were ever any doubts in the first place ? Player gets sent home by manager as he is unwell and suddenly he’s a cunt for infecting sick children a week before he had the virus ???
Post by: Confucius on December 29, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
Lol.
It's a like a "doctor" Phil episode in here now. What the fuck do you lads know about anything antibiotics? Lmao.
Anyone even have a phd??
lolol
Mmmm, is someone going to tell him or should I?
Post by: Bally on December 29, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
I was going to but thought it be best that one of the medical professionals on here would be better suited to the job
Mmmm, is someone going to tell him or should I?
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 29, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Post by: eugene on December 29, 2017, 10:01:34 PM
He best play. The baldy bastard. Sick my great aunt fanny!Thanks mate got a new toupee off the mrs for crimbo, just starting to feel good about myself in fifteen years and boom you mention the B word !
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 12:55:54 AM
Even it is is a lie and he's just had a break he deserves one more than most. He's getting on a bit and plays his heart out every week.
If he's fresh for the big games coming up then all the better.. we're certainly relying on him.
Post by: blue1948 on December 30, 2017, 01:19:57 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 01:44:47 AM
I don't know what is going on , on here ! Everyone has a gripe about anything they can and it is fucking rubbish -damned if I do damned if I don't situation- I just read and laugh at the ridiculous comments .I cannot even get annoyed ,does anyone realise I haven't been banned for ages ? Let's get it together for the New Year please .How am I expected to be a bitter ,tired old fart when there is nothing worthwhile getting banned for ?
Don't worry about it mate. It's a forum, with a large number of contributors from the varied backgrounds. Every single one of us talks shite sometimes and people have got extra free time on their hands over Christmas, so sometimes it leads to some mad conversations. Just take it for what it is, and either add to the madness or let it wash over you.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 01:51:47 AM
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 04:14:25 AM
— Everton FC Photos (@EFCSnapped) December 29, 2017
Post by: Everton Mint on December 31, 2017, 10:26:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/m6Qmcxq.jpg)
Here's to many more in 2018.
(https://i.imgur.com/31uSS1f.jpg)
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 31, 2017, 11:25:33 PM
Rooney should be dropped because of what he did to @bacon sarnie (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3715)'s aunt fanny
Haha, good one...be nice twattybollox or I'll send her to your gaff with Widow Twanky :thumbsup:
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 31, 2017, 11:31:55 PM
Haha, good one...be nice twattybollox or I'll send her to your gaff with Widow Twanky :thumbsup:Nooo anyone but the Twanky, i'd rather have Jim Whyte and Moshiri with Bill as the Butler.
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 31, 2017, 11:36:19 PM
Nooo anyone but the Twanky, i'd rather have Jim Whyte and Moshiri with Bill as the Butler.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no you wouldn't!
Post by: Cozzie on December 31, 2017, 11:50:51 PM
My Everton highlight of the year 2017 - the return of the legend that is Wayne Rooney and his second debut goal, the winner vs Stoke.
(https://i.imgur.com/m6Qmcxq.jpg)
Here's to many more in 2018.
(https://i.imgur.com/31uSS1f.jpg)
Yes lad!
Post by: mikey_blue on December 31, 2017, 11:52:27 PM
My Everton highlight of the year 2017 - the return of the legend that is Wayne Rooney and his second debut goal, the winner vs Stoke.
(https://i.imgur.com/m6Qmcxq.jpg)
Here's to many more in 2018.
(https://i.imgur.com/31uSS1f.jpg)
I know it's fashionable for people to not like Rooney, but I love this post. All the best, Blues.
Post by: Macca77 on February 06, 2018, 04:51:03 AM
https://twitter.com/TheSportsman/status/960644489332355073
Post by: brap2 on February 06, 2018, 04:53:52 AM
Post by: Macca77 on February 06, 2018, 04:58:06 AM
Started very nervous but the last half or or so he’s been really good talking about his life, football, past goals and stuff. Definitely warmed up. Smoothest I’ve seen him in the media I think.
Sky will be offering him a job as soon as he retires
Post by: Gash on February 06, 2018, 04:59:58 AM
Thought he was really good, didn't do his usual 'erm' every few words and came across well on it.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 06, 2018, 05:09:12 AM
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 05:14:44 AM
Driving brasses home after a bevy aside like.
Post by: Macca77 on February 06, 2018, 02:12:03 PM
Post by: Waltzer on February 06, 2018, 03:10:44 PM
Post by: Lxxx on February 06, 2018, 03:32:05 PM
He's still got a lot to offer if he's managed right and his experience and knowledge of the game is second to none. We should have been building a side around him this season to get the best out of the final years of his career. He won't play every game but to be fuckin around as we have done this season we've missed a trick not using him to the best of his ability, in my opinion.
Post by: Lazarou on February 06, 2018, 09:15:06 PM
Post by: Confucius on February 07, 2018, 12:38:47 AM
Anyway you can chat to Moshiri about taking over now?
Post by: Everton Mint on February 07, 2018, 11:02:00 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 08, 2018, 03:20:45 AM
Post by: Macca77 on February 09, 2018, 06:39:57 PM
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Post by: Ross on February 09, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 09, 2018, 07:15:10 PM
Cant see Rooney having half the intelligence needed to be a manager at any level
He has great instinct/footy intelligence on the pitch (aside from pure intellect, I doubt he'd be great at pub trivia or in a book club like Bainesy), but I think he might have trouble translating that to someone less talented/instinctive than himself. Wouldn't be the first to struggle that way, for sure.
In any event, I'd want him to succeed at several stops elsewhere first, as it would be awful for him to manage here and not succeed. Would tear the community apart.
Post by: Macca77 on February 09, 2018, 07:22:39 PM
Post by: Escla on February 09, 2018, 07:29:59 PM
Cant see Rooney having half the intelligence needed to be a manager at any level
Bit harsh that !
Post by: Lxxx on February 09, 2018, 08:01:19 PM
Bit harsh that !
But pretty accurate.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 09, 2018, 08:05:25 PM
But pretty accurate.
No it's not. A shy lad does not constitute a dumb lad.
Post by: Lxxx on February 09, 2018, 08:08:25 PM
No it's not. A shy lad does not constitute a dumb lad.
I'm not saying it does. Maybe he'll prove me wrong and mature with age but his life is littered with events that indicate he's got pretty poor judgement and indicate he's not the brightest.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 09, 2018, 08:17:04 PM
I'm not saying it does. Maybe he'll prove me wrong and mature with age but his life is littered with events that indicate he's got pretty poor judgement and indicate he's not the brightest.
Off the football field...
Post by: TheRam on February 09, 2018, 08:21:49 PM
Young, working class lad from Liverpool means dumb according to the gutter press.
Post by: Escla on February 09, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
But pretty accurate.
So what is his IQ then if you know ? I think he has sufficient intelligence to put his vast experience as a top flight player with a top flight club under a top flight manager into becoming a top flight coach, which is what a Manager is in today’s world of DOF’s and boardroom strategists.
Post by: Toddacelli on February 09, 2018, 08:46:03 PM
I don't think he's stupid. I consider myself a reasonably intelligent, articulate, sensitive person - but I have done some ridiculously stupid things in the past. Mostly involving alcohol. But they don't define me.
Post by: Escla on February 09, 2018, 08:50:21 PM
He gets hammered for the way he speaks - much like Beckham. The rags just like tearing an icon down - it's the only thing they like more than building one up.
He is much improved in interviews, the ..erm..has almost disappeared, look at videos of Beckham 20 years ago and compare with today, would love to see Rooney manage Everton one day.
Post by: Alanvideo on February 09, 2018, 08:55:17 PM
Post by: BlueMaquis on February 09, 2018, 09:06:31 PM
Would love to see Rooney more often on tv after his playing days are over. Imagine him on SSN on Saturday to give a bit of opposition to Thompson & co.
More likely we'll be seeing him on Celebrity Fat Fighters
Post by: Lxxx on February 09, 2018, 09:12:14 PM
So what is his IQ then if you know ? I think he has sufficient intelligence to put his vast experience as a top flight player with a top flight club under a top flight manager into becoming a top flight coach, which is what a Manager is in today’s world of DOF’s and boardroom strategists.
Maybe so. I hope he does.
Post by: Lxxx on February 09, 2018, 09:22:43 PM
He is much improved in interviews, the ..erm..has almost disappeared, look at videos of Beckham 20 years ago and compare with today, would love to see Rooney manage Everton one day.
Yeh you could tell the other night he's clearly been coached on it as a few times you could see we went to say 'erm' but mentally checked himself.
Post by: Major Clanger on February 09, 2018, 09:31:57 PM
And it's debatable how much intelligence (in the narrow sense) really contributes to the success of a manager.
Post by: brap2 on February 09, 2018, 09:45:26 PM
Post by: Juanito on February 09, 2018, 10:07:59 PM
I'm not saying it does. Maybe he'll prove me wrong and mature with age but his life is littered with events that indicate he's got pretty poor judgement and indicate he's not the brightest.
I don’t know, you might be right but you could also say it could be down to impulse control, rather than intelligence or what he might do under the influence of alcohol, impeding his impulse.
Or lack of fear, as he demonstrated as a 16 year old, dancing through premiership defences like he was on the playground.
Post by: Toddacelli on February 09, 2018, 10:10:44 PM
Not 100% convinced on the good player = good manager thing but if he wants to do it he should get his badges and work up, not a sweetheart deal at 35.
Wish that was the case.
We'd be flying high with Koeman right now if that were true.
Post by: Major Clanger on February 09, 2018, 10:42:19 PM
Not 100% convinced on the good player = good manager thing but if he wants to do it he should get his badges and work up, not a sweetheart deal at 35.
Not only that, you can't even guess the managerial style of someone based on the kind of player they used to be: Lobanovskyi had been an incredibly flamboyant winger, as a manager he turned into one of the strictest disciplinarians of his age.
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 10, 2018, 01:58:29 AM
Then just as the fans hopes are raised about the glory days finally coming to Goodison, he’ll fuck off to manage Man U.
Post by: sam of the south on February 10, 2018, 02:14:23 AM
Reckon there’ll be a huge amount of build up to him finally becoming manager, then he’ll probably do well in his first season, playing some divine football at times that we haven’t seen at Everton in decades.
Then just as the fans hopes are raised about the glory days finally coming to Goodison, he’ll fuck off to manage Man U.
Jesus, that's dark.
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 10, 2018, 02:31:06 AM
Iain Dowie has a degree in engineering and doesn't sound very intelligent either.
And it's debatable how much intelligence (in the narrow sense) really contributes to the success of a manager.
Graeme Souness comes to mind.
Post by: ajax_andy on February 10, 2018, 03:01:20 AM
He only gets the reputation of being dumb because of where he's from.
Young, working class lad from Liverpool means dumb according to the gutter press.
No a lot of it comes from his behaviour off the field coupled with his lack of dedication to his fitness (drinking & smoking) which combined give the impression of someone not hugely intelligent
Post by: Alanvideo on February 10, 2018, 03:19:22 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on February 10, 2018, 03:39:01 AM
No a lot of it comes from his behaviour off the field coupled with his lack of dedication to his fitness (drinking & smoking) which combined give the impression of someone not hugely intelligent
Again, Lobanovskyi. :)
Post by: ajax_andy on February 10, 2018, 03:47:07 AM
Again, Lobanovskyi. :)
Of course people can change or mature and become more of a well rounded individual. I just don't see Rooney being able to become a brilliantly minded tactician.
He has worked with Ferguson so no doubt could man manage and motivate, but his lack of dedication to his physical well-being points imo to someone whose not suddenly going to dedicate himself mentally to becoming a top level or even lower level manager
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 10, 2018, 03:50:45 AM
Of course people can change or mature and become more of a well rounded individual. I just don't see Rooney being able to become a brilliantly minded tactician.
He has worked with Ferguson so no doubt could man manage and motivate, but his lack of dedication to his physical well-being points imo to someone whose not suddenly going to dedicate himself mentally to becoming a top level or even lower level manager
Feel like this 'lack of dedication to fitness' is a big myth
Post by: ajax_andy on February 10, 2018, 03:52:07 AM
Feel like this 'lack of dedication to fitness' is a big myth
It's really not. Who sits in a pool in Vegas drinking and smoking when their supposed to be getting fit for a world cup.
Plenty of examples like this over the years
Post by: Major Clanger on February 10, 2018, 03:54:41 AM
Of course people can change or mature and become more of a well rounded individual. I just don't see Rooney being able to become a brilliantly minded tactician.
He has worked with Ferguson so no doubt could man manage and motivate, but his lack of dedication to his physical well-being points imo to someone whose not suddenly going to dedicate himself mentally to becoming a top level or even lower level manager
I think we massively overestimate how intelligent these managers are, again in terms of the sort of general intelligence measured by IQ tests and so on.
Ferguson probably wouldn't perform very well in a logical quiz, yet he was one of the most successful managers ever, and his longevity on the top was unrivalled. He was an absolute master of how to play mind games, he knew exactly how to motivate his team, he knew how to delegate, he knew when to get rid of players (but the one time he tried to be clever and use data, he got it horribly wrong).
None of it requires that sort of intelligence. It probably doesn't hurt if you've got it, but I think it matters far less than we'd like to think. (This is also true in many other walks of life, but that's a different story.)
Post by: brap2 on February 10, 2018, 03:57:23 AM
No a lot of it comes from his behaviour off the field coupled with his lack of dedication to his fitness (drinking & smoking) which combined give the impression of someone not hugely intelligent
I’m going to be completely honest with you - I don’t think it does.
He looks, talks and sometimes acts like a poor person - something this country is very good at is making people hate poor people.
Usually, it’s young black men. If not black then a scouser will do, is the mentality.
Post by: TheRam on February 10, 2018, 03:57:47 AM
It's really not. Who sits in a pool in Vegas drinking and smoking when their supposed to be getting fit for a world cup.
Plenty of examples like this over the years
Who bloody doesn't?
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 10, 2018, 04:00:42 AM
It's really not. Who sits in a pool in Vegas drinking and smoking when their supposed to be getting fit for a world cup.
Plenty of examples like this over the years
Again, it could have been one or two days off in the summer. Fucking hell, im sure most footballers bar Ronaldo, do this, but because he is a working class scouser, he gets picked on and its all over the press.
Post by: brap2 on February 10, 2018, 04:02:18 AM
Who bloody doesn't?
The generation that criticised him grew up idolising footballers that were literally wreckheads, is the mad thing.
Post by: sam of the south on February 10, 2018, 04:57:59 AM
The generation that criticised him grew up idolising footballers that were literally wreckheads, is the mad thing.
Yeah, the same generation that mock Millennials for living in a world that has a fair amount of health and safety regs attached to it, rules that were created by crusty Baby Boomers themselves
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 10, 2018, 06:46:37 AM
It's really not. Who sits in a pool in Vegas drinking and smoking when their supposed to be getting fit for a world cup.
Plenty of examples like this over the years
He apparently had the lowest body fat percentage at Utd for years, so I think it's myth.
He might let it go a bit too much in he off seasons, but he's always where he should be once the season starts.
He's played in over 40 games near enough every single season since he broke through with us as a teenager, 55 one year for Utd, thats not including his international appearances.
Post by: sam of the south on February 10, 2018, 06:51:38 AM
He apparently had the lowest body fat percentage at Utd for years, so I think it's myth.
He might let it go a bit too much in he off seasons, but he's always where he should be once the season starts.
He's played in over 40 games near enough every single season since he broke through with us as a teenager, 55 one year for Utd.
Do you have a link to the Rooney bodyfat percentage claim, because I work with bodyfat percentage pretty often, and I think it is highly unlikely or plain made-up (not by you)
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 10, 2018, 06:52:21 AM
Do you have a link to the Rooney bodyfat percentage claim, because I work with bodyfat percentage pretty often, and I think it is highly unlikely or plain made-up (not by you)
No a drug dealer told me. True story.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 10, 2018, 06:54:44 AM
Post by: sam of the south on February 10, 2018, 06:55:43 AM
No a drug dealer told me. True story.
Nuff said
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 10, 2018, 06:57:47 AM
Nuff said
He had some video of Rooney pissed in his house wearing one of his Everton salmon home kits too, it was about 4 or 5 years ago. It was a strange encounter.
Post by: sam of the south on February 10, 2018, 07:05:26 AM
He had some video of Rooney pissed in his house wearing one of his Everton salmon home kits too, it was about 4 or 5 years ago. It was a strange encounter.
Sounds like a top night
Post by: Ramjam on February 10, 2018, 07:10:59 AM
He had some video of Rooney pissed in his house wearing one of his Everton salmon home kits too, it was about 4 or 5 years ago. It was a strange encounter.Are you sure that it wasn’t his Everton pyjamas if he was having a sleepover
Post by: Lxxx on February 10, 2018, 03:43:49 PM
Of course he was growing up in the public eye while he was still a boy so every indiscretion was magnified, so there are mitigating circumstances.
He’s still young now which kind of goes unnoticed but perceptions often become reality, rightly or wrongly.
Anyway I hope he does have a great management career and maybe with us.
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 10, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
This is a man who let himself be filmed getting knocked out cold boxing a mate in a fucking kitchen. That's not taking care of yourself, and idiotic on multiple levels.
I agree there is a magnification of his stupidity and lack of care for his own health for all the reasons people have outlined - his fame, being a poor scouser etc.
But at the same time there's rarely smoke without fire and Wayne has set off a fair few fires in his time.
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 10, 2018, 04:24:32 PM
To be fair if he'd taken good care of himself he wouldn't have started declining age 27-28 and he'd be far closer to his peak now at 32 than he is. Let's be honest, he's a shadow of his former self, but his former self was so good that he's still easily good enough for our team.I disagree with that
This is a man who let himself be filmed getting knocked out cold boxing a mate in a fucking kitchen. That's not taking care of yourself, and idiotic on multiple levels.
I agree there is a magnification of his stupidity and lack of care for his own health for all the reasons people have outlined - his fame, being a poor scouser etc.
But at the same time there's rarely smoke without fire and Wayne has set off a fair few fires in his time.
Most players start playing regular first team football at 20, they become a teams focal point at about 24 and begin to decline about 31
Rooney was a first team regular at 16 and a teams focal point at 18. He was miles ahead of the curve so it's no surprise to me that all the games took its toll in his late 20s
Post by: Lxxx on February 10, 2018, 04:44:50 PM
I’m going to be completely honest with you - I don’t think it does.
He looks, talks and sometimes acts like a poor person - something this country is very good at is making people hate poor people.
Usually, it’s young black men. If not black then a scouser will do, is the mentality.
Think you're reading way too much into this.
Paul Scholes for example was an equally gifted player of his generation, from a working class background in a north west city. Again, equally uncomfortable in front of the media.
I don't remember people saying he was thick or deriding him for being stupid. But then again he didn't give people ammunition to think he was an idiot by getting filmed in his kitchen getting knocked out or driving birds home drunk in the early hours or getting filmed pissed while on England duty or drinking and smoking in Vegas etc etc...
People are usually judged on their actions not their social status.
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 10, 2018, 05:20:29 PM
I disagree with that
Most players start playing regular first team football at 20, they become a teams focal point at about 24 and begin to decline about 31
Rooney was a first team regular at 16 and a teams focal point at 18. He was miles ahead of the curve so it's no surprise to me that all the games took its toll in his late 20s
Why should being a first team regular or a teams focal point aged 16 matter?
It’s not like other players aren’t still playing football at that age - in reserves, u21 etc.
You could even argue that it’s of benefit to rooney to be playing earlier as there will have been far more focus on him doing things like not playing too much football, having the right amount of recovery time after games, more care from physios, nutritionists etc.
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 10, 2018, 05:39:13 PM
Why should being a first team regular or a teams focal point aged 16 matter?It's the stress and physical nature that takes its toll
It's not like other players aren't still playing football at that age - in reserves, u21 etc.
You could even argue that it's of benefit to rooney to be playing earlier as there will have been far more focus on him doing things like not playing too much football, having the right amount of recovery time after games, more care from physios, nutritionists etc.
A lad playing u21 matches in front of 100 is a bit different from an 18yo leading the attack away at ac milan
Post by: TheRam on February 10, 2018, 05:40:53 PM
Why should being a first team regular or a teams focal point aged 16 matter?
It’s not like other players aren’t still playing football at that age - in reserves, u21 etc.
You could even argue that it’s of benefit to rooney to be playing earlier as there will have been far more focus on him doing things like not playing too much football, having the right amount of recovery time after games, more care from physios, nutritionists etc.
Because players who start playing for the first team at such an early age have a history of declining a lot earlier than players who break through at the age of 20.
By the time he was 18 he was playing for Manchester United in the champions league whilst also playing for England, being the main focal point of both teams.
That's a whole lot different than playing reserve football where the standard was just about league two level back then.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 10, 2018, 05:48:51 PM
Why should being a first team regular or a teams focal point aged 16 matter?
It’s not like other players aren’t still playing football at that age - in reserves, u21 etc.
You could even argue that it’s of benefit to rooney to be playing earlier as there will have been far more focus on him doing things like not playing too much football, having the right amount of recovery time after games, more care from physios, nutritionists etc.
You're chatting shit here I'm afraid.
Post by: ajax_andy on February 10, 2018, 05:53:08 PM
No a drug dealer told me. True story.
I'm not sure using what Rooney's coke dealer said is a great way to backup your argument tbf 😂😂😂
*Not really suggesting Rooney takes drugs
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 10, 2018, 05:54:20 PM
Because players who start playing for the first team at such an early age have a history of declining a lot earlier than players who break through at the age of 20.
By the time he was 18 he was playing for Manchester United in the champions league whilst also playing for England, being the main focal point of both teams.
Do they? I'm sure there are some, but there's plenty of examples of that not being the case.
Looking at other United stars, Beckham, Butt, Giggs, and Gary Neville all made their debut aged 17. None of them were going off the boil in their late 20s and none had declined anything like Rooney has. Giggs was playing to an incredible standard into his late 30s.
Some pretty massive revisionism going on here to pretend that Rooney couldn't have taken better care of himself or that's had nothing to do with his decline.
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 10, 2018, 05:55:29 PM
You're chatting shit here I'm afraid.
Quite possibly. Sticking to my guns though and let's see how it pans out.
Post by: TheRam on February 10, 2018, 06:00:10 PM
Do they? I'm sure there are some, but there's plenty of examples of that not being the case.
Looking at other United stars, Beckham, Butt, Giggs, and Gary Neville all made their debut aged 17. None of them were going off the boil in their late 20s and none had declined anything like Rooney has. Giggs was playing to an incredible standard into his late 30s.
Some pretty massive revisionism going on here to pretend that Rooney couldn't have taken better care of himself or that's had nothing to do with his decline.
Nicky butt? Don't even know what he was doing in his 30s
Beckham was in America
Neville massively declined and admits he should've retired sooner.
Majority of players out there decline when they hit their 30s, especially players who have been playing at the highest level for as long as Rooney has.
I personally find it a bit mad how anyone can question his dedication to the game considering all he has achieved.
Even now, at 32 he's probably the best player for one of the biggest clubs in the country.
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 06:01:28 PM
Do they? I'm sure there are some, but there's plenty of examples of that not being the case.
Looking at other United stars, Beckham, Butt, Giggs, and Gary Neville all made their debut aged 17. None of them were going off the boil in their late 20s and none had declined anything like Rooney has. Giggs was playing to an incredible standard into his late 30s.
Some pretty massive revisionism going on here to pretend that Rooney couldn't have taken better care of himself or that's had nothing to do with his decline.
Only Giggs started playing that early and is a completely different physique to Rooney.
I’d agree that knowing his body he would have had to be puritanical to cover what most players can probably get away with without worry.
But Rooney has put in years of massive energy performances. They’re bound to take their toll.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on February 10, 2018, 06:02:28 PM
Post by: ajax_andy on February 10, 2018, 06:14:53 PM
Nicky butt? Don't even know what he was doing in his 30s
Beckham was in America
Neville massively declined and admits he should've retired sooner.
Majority of players out there decline when they hit their 30s, especially players who have been playing at the highest level for as long as Rooney has.
I personally find it a bit mad how anyone can question his dedication to the game considering all he has achieved.
Even now, at 32 he's probably the best player for one of the biggest clubs in the country.
Butt was playing at Newcastle to a high standard still
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 10, 2018, 06:20:43 PM
Nicky butt? Don't even know what he was doing in his 30s
Beckham was in America
Neville massively declined and admits he should've retired sooner.
Majority of players out there decline when they hit their 30s, especially players who have been playing at the highest level for as long as Rooney has.
I personally find it a bit mad how anyone can question his dedication to the game considering all he has achieved.
Even now, at 32 he's probably the best player for one of the biggest clubs in the country.
I'm not questioning his dedication, just reckon if he'd taken taken better care of himself he would've prolonged his time at the peak of his game. His decline started before he hit his 30s. With all the evidence around us of him doing stupid shit - getting battered, smoking, getting KOd, putting on weight in the summer, etc - it's not ridiculous to think this may have impacted his longevity.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 10, 2018, 06:36:53 PM
I'm not sure using what Rooney's coke dealer said is a great way to backup your argument tbf 😂😂😂
*Not really suggesting Rooney takes drugs
It was bit tongue in cheek.
But that aside, the amount of games he's been involved in over the years shits on any idea that he's got fitness issues.
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
Butt was playing at Newcastle to a high standard still
He made 431 league appearances by the time he retired at 35. No idea on the starts / subs ratio but can guess that the Utd part would have had more subs that Rooney.
Rooney has 480 at 32. Most of which were at the best team in the country.
That’s without CL games, England games etc.
No one, bar Newcastle fans, would have been bothered what Butt was doing for the last third of his career.
Post by: brap2 on February 10, 2018, 07:09:38 PM
All that probably says is that elite talent breaks through earlier like, but I thought it was interesting.
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 07:17:10 PM
I can’t remember what study it was but I’m sure someone looked at champions leagues finals and found the majority of players who make it to cl finals (peak of club football surely) have been playing first team since 17 years old.
All that probably says is that elite talent breaks through earlier like, but I thought it was interesting.
Yes could see this being true.
But would be interesting to see what level - eg playing at 17 in Holland isn’t as hard as here.
And does it just mean made their debut at 17, or starting most weeks?
Post by: van der Meyde on February 10, 2018, 07:59:41 PM
Yes could see this being true.I think @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) is referring to this from Brian Marwood:
But would be interesting to see what level - eg playing at 17 in Holland isn’t as hard as here.
And does it just mean made their debut at 17, or starting most weeks?
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Brian Marwood, the Managing Director of City Football Services, agreed.
“We did some research last year and discovered that in the last 10 years 83% of players who featured in the quarter-final stage of the Champions League had all played first team football at 17,” he said.
It's not necessarily a case of elite talent breaking through earlier though - take a look at the players in last season's CL final, most started out at non-elite clubs with less competition. City believe, for example, that young players have improved because of the challenge of first team togger and because they've failed and learned from their mistakes.
Post by: ajax_andy on February 10, 2018, 09:21:24 PM
He made 431 league appearances by the time he retired at 35. No idea on the starts / subs ratio but can guess that the Utd part would have had more subs that Rooney.
Rooney has 480 at 32. Most of which were at the best team in the country.
That’s without CL games, England games etc.
No one, bar Newcastle fans, would have been bothered what Butt was doing for the last third of his career.
Not sure anyone gives a shit what Rooney's been doing in the last 3rd of his career either tbh
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 09:52:19 PM
Not sure anyone gives a shit what Rooney's been doing in the last 3rd of his career either tbh
They do because he’s been hammered for a lot of them.
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 09:53:06 PM
I think @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) is referring to this from Brian Marwood:
It's not necessarily a case of elite talent breaking through earlier though - take a look at the players in last season's CL final, most started out at non-elite clubs with less competition. City believe, for example, that young players have improved because of the challenge of first team togger and because they've failed and learned from their mistakes.
Yes.
So in the context of this thread Rooney has had to have all that at elite level.
That’s a burden.
Post by: Macca77 on February 15, 2018, 02:38:32 PM
Post by: TheRam on February 15, 2018, 02:46:05 PM
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Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 15, 2018, 03:04:48 PM
I'm not questioning his dedication, just reckon if he'd taken taken better care of himself he would've prolonged his time at the peak of his game. His decline started before he hit his 30s. With all the evidence around us of him doing stupid shit - getting battered, smoking, getting KOd, putting on weight in the summer, etc - it's not ridiculous to think this may have impacted his longevity.
I think that's a fair point to make but it is also a massive ask of a sportsman to do all that . Maybe its general lack of nouse on his part . The feeling that he could achieve a level because of his natural ability after taking his foot off the pedal for periods of time but not really appreciating that it gets harder and harder to do . His build does have a lot to do with it though and he hasn't really had too many injuries ( compare him to Sturridge ) in his career . He is still a very good player and is certainly no back number as far as EFC are concerned .
Post by: Macca77 on February 16, 2018, 01:33:53 AM
https://twitter.com/WayneRooney/status/964213150336868359
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 16, 2018, 02:05:17 AM
Awful name
Can't get past the letter 'C'.
Best keep the kid away from chicken sandwiches.....
Post by: brap2 on February 16, 2018, 03:10:12 AM
However, simply through just being a good quality player he’s looked at times head and shoulder above the crap we put out. A genuinely world class player in his prime and I think we may get 2/3ds of a season out of him next year even.
As I said previously priority is back up / replacement for his job in the middle of the pitch - be a ball magnet who can pass forwards, would be great if they had legs as well but I doubt we’ll get doucoure now spurs are after him.
Post by: Alanvideo on February 16, 2018, 03:21:25 AM
Happy to admit I didn’t want him because he looked more finished than an empty bottle of Finish......................as well as Rooney we have Sigurdson and Walcott and those three are in a different class to the rest of the cloggers. I hope they can encourage the young lads like Holgate ,Kenny ,Davies ,DCL and Lookman when he returns .
However, simply through just being a good quality player he’s looked at times head and shoulder above the crap we put out. A genuinely world class player in his prime and I think we may get 2/3ds of a season out of him next year even.
As I said previously priority is back up / replacement for his job in the middle of the pitch - be a ball magnet who can pass forwards, would be great if they had legs as well but I doubt we’ll get doucoure now spurs are after him.
Post by: Toddacelli on February 16, 2018, 02:13:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ColeenRoo/status/964014326704197632
It's a good job he's got a world famous dad - otherwise he'd have to spend the rest of his life explaining that his name isn't 'Cass McRooney'.
Post by: boothill on February 16, 2018, 03:17:51 PM
No a lot of it comes from his behaviour off the field coupled with his lack of dedication to his fitness (drinking & smoking) which combined give the impression of someone not hugely intelligentJohann cruyff drank, smoked and couldnt keep his little fella in his pants, would you look at him the same way as rooney ?
Post by: ajax_andy on February 16, 2018, 04:23:00 PM
Johann cruyff drank, smoked and couldnt keep his little fella in his pants, would you look at him the same way as rooney ?
Different playing field, today's footballers are or at least should be highly tuned athletes so you can't compare them to the old days
Post by: blue slug on February 16, 2018, 04:25:21 PM
They wanted to go with Big Mac but found that name was copyrighted
They could of used grand Mac up until a couple of weeks back 😉
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
Post by: Toddacelli on February 16, 2018, 07:39:21 PM
Not sure anyone gives a shit what Rooney's been doing in the last 3rd of his career either tbh
Dunno. Still won trophies dude.
Post by: ajax_andy on February 17, 2018, 12:27:46 AM
Dunno. Still won trophies dude.
If his career ends at the end of next season I'd say the last third of his career no one will remember, he wasn't instrumental in winning anything at man u in the last 2-3 years of his career there, and it's unlikely he'll win anything with us.
It's a shame, he's no doubt had a fantastic career on paper but it's fizzled out badly
Post by: bogie on February 17, 2018, 12:49:25 AM
If his career ends at the end of next season I'd say the last third of his career no one will remember, he wasn't instrumental in winning anything at man u in the last 2-3 years of his career there, and it's unlikely he'll win anything with us.
It's a shame, he's no doubt had a fantastic career on paper but it's fizzled out badly
can't the be said about all top players
Post by: Cassius on February 17, 2018, 12:54:38 AM
Awful name
I beg to differ.
Post by: BlueForYou on February 17, 2018, 12:58:29 AM
Post by: ajax_andy on February 17, 2018, 01:41:42 AM
can't the be said about all top players
Not many top players last third of their career starts at the ages of 26 or 27 though, that's the point surely?
Post by: bogie on February 17, 2018, 02:27:35 AM
Not many top players last third of their career starts at the ages of 26 or 27 though, that's the point surely?
yeah sure and not many are top players at age 16