Post by: Shogun on December 31, 2017, 08:54:02 PM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Gana Schneiderlin Rooney
Bolasie Niasse Sigurdsson
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Gana Schneiderlin Rooney
Bolasie Niasse Sigurdsson
Don't think Keane and Jagielka have been impressive at all.
Post by: blargins on December 31, 2017, 08:56:24 PM
I don't like that front three.
Post by: American Evertonian on December 31, 2017, 09:26:22 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 31, 2017, 09:31:01 PM
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Gueye Rooney Davies
Bolaisie Niasse Sigurdsson
Sommet like that
Sit back defend hoof defend hoof
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2017, 10:55:27 PM
Pickford
Kenny Keane Jags Williams Cuco
Gueye Schneiderlin Rooney
Sigurdsson DCL
Post by: toffee_scot on December 31, 2017, 10:56:05 PM
Kenny------Holgate----Williams----Martina
-------------Gueye----Baningime----------
Lennon-----------Rooney-----------Sigurdsson
-------------------Niasse--------------------
Bench: Stekelenburg/Robles (I really don't mind), Keane, Schneiderlin, Davies, Vlasic, DCL, Sandro
Problem is our squad is really quite big that I can't find space for some players like Lookman or Bolasie or McCarthy.
Post by: TheRam on December 31, 2017, 11:06:34 PM
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 31, 2017, 11:37:50 PM
2-1
Lukaku
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 31, 2017, 11:51:22 PM
Sigurdsson probably needs a break. The man hasn't quit running since Croatia.He does run a lot that lad.....
Post by: Macca77 on January 01, 2018, 12:02:12 AM
Post by: mikey_blue on January 01, 2018, 12:11:24 AM
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Gana Rooney
Sig
Lennon DCL Vlasic
I've got no chance of this team happening, but we can but wish.
Post by: therealdunc on January 01, 2018, 12:11:50 AM
The back two of Williams and Holgate has worked the best since Sam's been in charge. Crazy the way he changed it in games he didn't have to.
I don't like that front three.
They where both carrying knocks, it was widely reported plus he is able to rotate in central defence as we have the extra bodies.
With so many games in a short period, rotation makes perfect sense.
Plus he may want to see Jags and Keane in competitive action before the Jan window.
As for the United game, I just hope the team give 100% effort in what is a semi derby.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 01, 2018, 12:16:30 AM
Holgate Williams Jags Martina
Gueye Rooney Davies
Lennon DCL Sig
Kenny will probably start but I'd give him a rest. He'll probably keep faith in Schneiderlin as well tbh
Post by: therealdunc on January 01, 2018, 12:17:14 AM
Pickford
Kenny Williams holgate Martina
Mirallas rooney Besic Lookman
Vlasic
Niasse
And I would have klassen, Sandro and some of the U23s kids on the bench
We should try and keep as many of the core players rested for the Liverpool game as this is our only option for silverware and should take priority
As such Rooney and holgate should be subbed around 60 mins
Post by: Simon Paul on January 01, 2018, 01:01:55 AM
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 01, 2018, 01:08:01 AM
Kenny Jagielka(c) Williams Martina
Lennon Gana Rooney Bolasie
Sigurdson (#10) Niasse (#9)
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 01, 2018, 01:10:11 AM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Gana Rooney
Sig
Lennon DCL Vlasic
I've got no chance of this team happening, but we can but wish.
I like your style dude. Rooney along with Gana, means Rooney works from a deeper position allowing Sig the room to move up behind the striker.
Post by: Macca77 on January 01, 2018, 01:22:35 AM
Post by: TheRam on January 01, 2018, 01:27:05 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 01, 2018, 01:34:32 AM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 01, 2018, 03:39:44 AM
Young banned for 3 gamesShame it's always good to see Ash.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 05:21:55 AM
Post by: boothill on January 01, 2018, 05:58:00 AM
Post by: Redartin on January 01, 2018, 06:59:38 AM
Going to be an absolute snore this isn't it?The Battle of the buses.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 01, 2018, 07:10:06 AM
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on January 01, 2018, 07:18:50 AM
Unfortunately, I can see us boring it out and getting beat.
Post by: therealdunc on January 01, 2018, 02:49:59 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 04:11:48 PM
I’d be tempted to play Lookman, Klassen and Sandro so they can make cunts of themselves and the fans can go ‘ahhhh, so thaaaat’s why they’re not in the team’.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 01, 2018, 04:23:17 PM
Post by: blue1948 on January 01, 2018, 04:41:04 PM
I honestly can’t think of a team to put out that could trouble these, even with their issues. Niasse up front due to DCL being dead is the only obvious one.Are you really a blue ? If you are hang your head in shame ! By all means slag of the management but not someone putting a shirt on and we have not yet kicked off.
I’d be tempted to play Lookman, Klassen and Sandro so they can make cunts of themselves and the fans can go ‘ahhhh, so thaaaat’s why they’re not in the team’.
Post by: Simon Paul on January 01, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
Are you really a blue ? If you are hang your head in shame ! By all means slag of the management but not someone putting a shirt on and we have not yet kicked off.
Yay!!
Less than eleven hours into 2018 and we have our first "you're a shit blue" shout on a match day thread
Who had "before noon" in the sweep?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 01, 2018, 05:19:18 PM
Post by: gizzblue on January 01, 2018, 05:27:12 PM
If we have 4 shots or more on target, I don't care what the result is.Fuck me, is that you Sam ?.
Post by: Ross on January 01, 2018, 05:27:54 PM
Post by: gizzblue on January 01, 2018, 05:28:03 PM
Mourihnio meltdown about 7.30..we must live in hope.Would really love nothing more to welcome in the new year .😅👍
Post by: BlueForYou on January 01, 2018, 05:39:52 PM
Can we take them - yes
Will we take them - probably not
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 01, 2018, 05:52:24 PM
not been able to find sams presser yet ;/
Post by: Toddacelli on January 01, 2018, 06:24:05 PM
I honestly can’t think of a team to put out that could trouble these, even with their issues. Niasse up front due to DCL being dead is the only obvious one.
I’d be tempted to play Lookman, Klaassen and Sandro in this one because they're well rested and at some point their quality has to show. Lookman has looked good at times as he was being phased in gradually. It's unfortunate that we have also been trying to phase in Klaassen, Sandro, Keane, Sigurdsson and Vlasic at the same time. It's just not easy to phase this many players in to get up to speed in the Premier League and it's even harder when the team they're being phased into are playing absolutely shit.
Regardless - they all have my 100% support and I hope they do well.
Fixed
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Vlasic, man.
He has impressed me every time, with his endeavor, strength, ball retention, and attacking intent.
However, neither Unsworth or Allardyce have seemed to trust him so I guess I'm wrong.
In the Europa dead rubber him and Lookman ran the show from the wings (yeah, I know it was a bit of a friendly match in essence, but surely we've got to start trying to take the game to the opposition rather than defending deep and en masse and hoping for the best)
Post by: ally2 on January 01, 2018, 07:29:36 PM
Palace and Brighton showing that with real wide attackers you can create chances and hold your own in games.
Vlasic, man.
He has impressed me every time, with his endeavor, strength, ball retention, and attacking intent.
However, neither Unsworth or Allardyce have seemed to trust him so I guess I'm wrong.
In the Europa dead rubber him and Lookman ran the show from the wings (yeah, I know it was a bit of a friendly match in essence, but surely we've got to start trying to take the game to the opposition rather than defending deep and en masse and hoping for the best)
I don't think its as simple as being right or wrong on Vlasic. I rate him too, certainly over Lennon. He has lost critical possession when I've seen him too. Maybe that's the issue. Or maybe there are non-football reasons that we don't know about. I think a lot of fans just watch a handful of games and concoct formations and line ups based upon what is a tiny part of the picture. But even that doesn't make anybody wrong. I do think that you have to trust the judgement of people who know the entire picture though. It doesn't happen much on here. The usual routine is to slag off whoever the manager is and ask questions later. Happened with Koeman, Unsworth and now Allardyce.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 07:30:24 PM
Palace and Brighton showing that with real wide attackers you can create chances and hold your own in games.Said before that apparently he’s fallen out with the club. Not the manager, the club. Agent wanted talks with the club hierarchy when Unsworth first dropped him. It was all ‘my client could’ve joined Inter Milan, and he’s not even getting into a struggling team, we’ll assess the situation in the summer’. Didn’t go down well. Could (and probably is) just a rumour though.
Vlasic, man.
He has impressed me every time, with his endeavor, strength, ball retention, and attacking intent.
However, neither Unsworth or Allardyce have seemed to trust him so I guess I'm wrong.
In the Europa dead rubber him and Lookman ran the show from the wings (yeah, I know it was a bit of a friendly match in essence, but surely we've got to start trying to take the game to the opposition rather than defending deep and en masse and hoping for the best)
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 07:39:31 PM
I don't think its as simple as being right or wrong on Vlasic. I rate him too, certainly over Lennon. He has lost critical possession when I've seen him too. Maybe that's the issue. Or maybe there are non-football reasons that we don't know about. I think a lot of fans just watch a handful of games and concoct formations and line ups based upon what is a tiny part of the picture. But even that doesn't make anybody wrong. I do think that you have to trust the judgement of people who know the entire picture though. It doesn't happen much on here. The usual routine is to slag off whoever the manager is and ask questions later. Happened with Koeman, Unsworth and now Allardyce.Agree. I try to give managers (and players) a bit of slack as there are always other factors we’re not aware of.
I remember slagging off Moyes no end because he continued to overlook Van Der Meyde even when we were crying out for width and creativity. Turns out he was smacked off his tits and shacked up with a stripper. My bad. I’ll apologise to Moyesy if I ever meet him.
And having read Ossie’s book; the amount of times he went out on the pitch when he was technically ‘match fit’ but in reality was nursing knee and ankle injuries and was being held together with sticky tape...well, I take back some of those ‘cunt’ sounds. Sorry Ossie.
All very cathartic, this.
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 07:40:26 PM
Said before that apparently he’s fallen out with the club. Not the manager, the club. Agent wanted talks with the club hierarchy when Unsworth first dropped him. It was all ‘my client could’ve joined Inter Milan, and he’s not even getting into a struggling team, we’ll assess the situation in the summer’. Didn’t go down well. Could (and probably is) just a rumour though.
Really?
Where did this come from?
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 07:44:21 PM
I don't think its as simple as being right or wrong on Vlasic. I rate him too, certainly over Lennon. He has lost critical possession when I've seen him too. Maybe that's the issue. Or maybe there are non-football reasons that we don't know about. I think a lot of fans just watch a handful of games and concoct formations and line ups based upon what is a tiny part of the picture. But even that doesn't make anybody wrong. I do think that you have to trust the judgement of people who know the entire picture though. It doesn't happen much on here. The usual routine is to slag off whoever the manager is and ask questions later. Happened with Koeman, Unsworth and now Allardyce.
I didn't slag off the manager.
In fact, I stated that I was clearly wrong if both Unsworth and Allardyce disagreed with me.
However, I stand by the original point; being passive and vaguely reactive is going to bite us on the arse if it is our default modus operandi.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 07:47:41 PM
Really?Twitter, where else. Ped from ToffeeTV did mention it a few times a while ago.
Where did this come from?
Probably just rubbish, but would explain the situation.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 01, 2018, 07:47:49 PM
Really?
Where did this come from?
i think this came from his sister on twitter and from the press around the time Unsworth was manager and wasn't being picked.
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 07:48:51 PM
i think this came from his sister on twitter and from the press around the time Unsworth was manager and wasn't being picked.
What did his sister say?
She hot? 🤔
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 01, 2018, 08:02:07 PM
What did his sister say?
She hot? 🤔
Shes electrifying.. her name is Blanka... :) Blanka Vlasic..
she's a former world champion at high jumping..
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/sport-preview-vlasic1.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=620&h=413&crop=1)
aww what a nice older sister..
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/30125855/4.jpg)
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/30125842/12.jpg)
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/30125852/3.jpg)
here's some electrifying images of Blanka..
(http://www.zagreb-meeting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Han%C5%BEek-522.jpg)
(https://www.tourte.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/blanka_vlasic_3.jpg)
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Blanka+Vlasic+12th+IAAF+World+Athletics+Championships+uN5jqNxBcWyl.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIXU9WqWsAE6PLX.jpg)
(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/a63ac90365dd48a58edaf211a9ea86d4/beijing-china-29th-aug-2015-blanka-vlasic-of-croatia-competes-during-f17ge6.jpg)
sorry for the spam.. i think Sam has made me fall in love with Blanka..
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 08:08:01 PM
Shes electrifying.. her name is Blanka... :) Blanka Vlasic..
she's a former world champion at high jumping..
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/sport-preview-vlasic1.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=620&h=413&crop=1)
aww what a nice older sister..
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/30125855/4.jpg)
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/30125842/12.jpg)
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/30125852/3.jpg)
here's some electrifying images of Blanka..
(http://www.zagreb-meeting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Han%C5%BEek-522.jpg)
(https://www.tourte.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/blanka_vlasic_3.jpg)
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Blanka+Vlasic+12th+IAAF+World+Athletics+Championships+uN5jqNxBcWyl.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIXU9WqWsAE6PLX.jpg)
(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/a63ac90365dd48a58edaf211a9ea86d4/beijing-china-29th-aug-2015-blanka-vlasic-of-croatia-competes-during-f17ge6.jpg)
sorry for the spam.. i think Sam has made me fall in love with Blanka..
Enormous upside down POV piledriver pic
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 08:11:20 PM
Post by: TheRam on January 01, 2018, 08:15:45 PM
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 08:19:20 PM
She's not even nice
Decent chassis, owl eyes, tanned stretch marks
✅✅✅
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 01, 2018, 08:30:20 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 01, 2018, 08:31:29 PM
Decent chassis, owl eyes, tanned stretch marks
✅✅✅
(https://www.theplace2.ru/archive/blanka_vlasic/img/Ostrava_Golden_Spike-2.jpg)
no stretch marks here.. she is really thin/physically fit
that pov upside down pic is what made me fall in love.. along with the kiss the sky t shirt which reminded me of old method man/redman.
Post by: gizzblue on January 01, 2018, 08:34:33 PM
(https://www.theplace2.ru/archive/blanka_vlasic/img/Ostrava_Golden_Spike-2.jpg)Needs a good roast dinner and mince pie n ice cream .
no stretch marks here.. she is really thin/physically fit
that pov upside down pic is what made me fall in love.. along with the kiss the sky t shirt which reminded me of old method man/redman.
Like a girl with curves not straight lines.
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 08:45:08 PM
(https://www.theplace2.ru/archive/blanka_vlasic/img/Ostrava_Golden_Spike-2.jpg)
no stretch marks here.. she is really thin/physically fit
that pov upside down pic is what made me fall in love.. along with the kiss the sky t shirt which reminded me of old method man/redman.
I prefer the stretch marks.
And I prefer Hendrix.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 08:50:51 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 01, 2018, 08:53:31 PM
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 01, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
Back to the game; can I set expectations by saying we’re almost certainly going to play shit and there’ll be no fringe players who come in and tear it up. Thanks.
Shut up. We're trying to discuss important questions of fit-or-not regarding the relations of our bit part players.
Nice bum, but a few more pies and bovril required to get a bit more of the feminine shape.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 01, 2018, 09:02:32 PM
I prefer the stretch marks.
And I prefer Hendrix.
lol ill look for Sally Gunnell images for you :)
Hendrix is/was ok.. hasa much better catalog than meth n red together..
Post by: blue1948 on January 01, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Yay!!Glad to be of service
Less than eleven hours into 2018 and we have our first "you're a shit blue" shout on a match day thread
Who had "before noon" in the sweep?
Post by: blue1948 on January 01, 2018, 09:10:06 PM
Shes electrifying.. her name is Blanka... :) Blanka Vlasic..Getting a bit old now (not tired!!) but you would have to burn me off her with a (blow?torch) ,got me all flustered has this .
she's a former world champion at high jumping..
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/sport-preview-vlasic1.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=620&h=413&crop=1)
aww what a nice older sister..
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/30125855/4.jpg)
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/30125842/12.jpg)
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/30125852/3.jpg)
here's some electrifying images of Blanka..
(http://www.zagreb-meeting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Han%C5%BEek-522.jpg)
(https://www.tourte.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/blanka_vlasic_3.jpg)
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Blanka+Vlasic+12th+IAAF+World+Athletics+Championships+uN5jqNxBcWyl.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIXU9WqWsAE6PLX.jpg)
(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/a63ac90365dd48a58edaf211a9ea86d4/beijing-china-29th-aug-2015-blanka-vlasic-of-croatia-competes-during-f17ge6.jpg)
sorry for the spam.. i think Sam has made me fall in love with Blanka..
Post by: gizzblue on January 01, 2018, 09:17:16 PM
Getting a bit old now (not tired!!) but you would have to burn me off her with a (blow?torch) ,got me all flustered has this .Careful you don't have a stroke @blue1948 ...although i guess that's what you intended to start with .
Post by: Django on January 01, 2018, 10:12:54 PM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Jagielka Williams Martina
Davies Gueye Schneiderlin
Rooney Mirallas
Post by: hannu on January 01, 2018, 10:13:02 PM
Getting a bit old now (not tired!!) but you would have to burn me off her with a (blow?torch) ,got me all flustered has this .
mate she has a face only a mother could love
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 10:15:13 PM
Rumours of
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Jagielka Williams Martina
Davies Gueye Schneiderlin
Rooney Mirallas
Wonderful
Post by: Django on January 01, 2018, 10:15:24 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on January 01, 2018, 10:16:50 PM
Post by: Shogun on January 01, 2018, 10:28:34 PM
Post by: Macca77 on January 01, 2018, 10:31:18 PM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 01, 2018, 10:32:11 PM
Post by: TheRam on January 01, 2018, 10:32:34 PM
Post by: Macca77 on January 01, 2018, 10:33:29 PM
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 01, 2018, 10:33:39 PM
I'd rather go with McCarthy as DM than Schneiderlin though. :wag:
Post by: Confucius on January 01, 2018, 10:33:44 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 01, 2018, 10:34:12 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on January 01, 2018, 10:34:23 PM
All ok but for Davies... him and Schneid have been shite lately.
Post by: Bally on January 01, 2018, 10:34:28 PM
Is that 2 wingers I see
Post by: TheRam on January 01, 2018, 10:34:41 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 01, 2018, 10:35:02 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 01, 2018, 10:35:18 PM
No Gueye in the squad? Injured again?
went off with tight hammy
Post by: Confucius on January 01, 2018, 10:35:50 PM
Kenny on the bench is interesting.
Needed a break. Running on fumes
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 01, 2018, 10:36:07 PM
Post by: Macca77 on January 01, 2018, 10:36:32 PM
https://twitter.com/TheEFCForum/status/947868577683722241
Post by: velimski on January 01, 2018, 10:36:37 PM
Attacking options look decent enough though.
Post by: Everton Mint on January 01, 2018, 10:36:50 PM
Post by: mikey_blue on January 01, 2018, 10:37:03 PM
Post by: loroloco on January 01, 2018, 10:37:15 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 01, 2018, 10:37:27 PM
Linderoff Rojo Jones Shaw
Post by: Silas on January 01, 2018, 10:40:09 PM
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 10:41:25 PM
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Post by: Confucius on January 01, 2018, 10:44:50 PM
Post by: brap2 on January 01, 2018, 10:46:16 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on January 01, 2018, 10:46:17 PM
Their shit back 4 against our shit front 4. Should be a laugh
Game will be won or lost at the other end.
Post by: stirlingblue on January 01, 2018, 10:47:11 PM
Bolasie starting his second game in a week after such a long lay off is very dicey.
Seems like we're going for it from the off and hoping to score in the first half.
If we manage it I can see him trying to shut it down in the second half.
Not sure Sig deserved to be dropped, I'd have him in the middle over either of those DMs
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 01, 2018, 10:52:40 PM
glad Vlasic is in... dont get the Kenny drop.. even less so bringing keane back in..
Bolassie will be like playing with ten men.. same as he was v west brom.. same as we was v bournemouth when McCarthy started..
hope we attack man utd... last 3-4 games have made me feel like we're playing under koeman again,
Post by: Ross on January 01, 2018, 10:55:17 PM
Seems like we're going for it from the off and hoping to score in the first half.
If we manage it I can see him trying to shut it down in the second half.
Not sure Sig deserved to be dropped, I'd have him in the middle over either of those DMs
Well we’ll see but it’s a big gamble on a player short of fitness after such a long term injury.
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Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 11:07:14 PM
Get in Burnley !
Fuck you, man!
Got me all hopeful, only to discover they scored the winner deep into injury time 😫
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Post by: Redartin on January 01, 2018, 11:07:28 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 11:10:29 PM
Obv Gueye is injured, but Big Sam is tinkering a bit here. Happy to see Vlasic and Bolasie.Played his first game in months 48hrs ago
I'd rather go with McCarthy as DM than Schneiderlin though. :wag:
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 01, 2018, 11:11:24 PM
She's not even nice
It’s the type of post made by a serial killer.
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And hi from a long time lurker. Fancy this today for no apparent reason , coyb
Post by: velimski on January 01, 2018, 11:12:31 PM
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Post by: Goaljira on January 01, 2018, 11:13:16 PM
It’s the type of post made by a serial killer.
She looks like Brazilian Ronaldo.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 01, 2018, 11:13:20 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 11:13:36 PM
Seems like we're going for it from the off and hoping to score in the first half.Hardly dropped mate.
If we manage it I can see him trying to shut it down in the second half.
Not sure Sig deserved to be dropped, I'd have him in the middle over either of those DMs
Post by: Redartin on January 01, 2018, 11:15:19 PM
She's not even nice
Know her well then?
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 11:17:13 PM
I would like to see a bit more of Vlasic before I decide to go overboard on his inclusion .
Nobody on here thinks he is a world beater, mate, but most recognise his promise
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 01, 2018, 11:20:06 PM
Nobody on here thinks he is a world beater, mate, but most recognise his promise
What I said I think . I feel the same about Lookman .
Post by: Ari on January 01, 2018, 11:20:12 PM
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Post by: chang on January 01, 2018, 11:26:00 PM
Hope so ....
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 01, 2018, 11:26:42 PM
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Post by: Audrey Horne on January 01, 2018, 11:41:05 PM
Streams please people
http://thesportek.com/p/pt.php?id=hd2&match=Everton%20FC%20vs%20Manchester%20United
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 11:41:21 PM
What I said I think . I feel the same about Lookman .
Yes, they are in the same bracket
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 01, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
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Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 11:44:52 PM
Shame.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 01, 2018, 11:45:01 PM
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 11:45:50 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 01, 2018, 11:45:51 PM
Niasse is classy, wins a corner then gives Roja a massage cos he hurt his shoulder.!
king niasse!
Post by: Everton Mint on January 01, 2018, 11:47:21 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 11:47:52 PM
Decent start. Though I'm already thinking Were missing Sig on all these set piecesA player that covers as much ground as he does can’t play 2 games so close together. It’d be bordering on negligent. Imagine the fume if he got injured.
The ideal scenario would just to have more quality in the squad...
Post by: keverton1971 on January 01, 2018, 11:47:53 PM
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Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 11:52:20 PM
Guaranteed we get the first yellow in the next 5 minutes.
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 11:54:02 PM
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Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 11:55:08 PM
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 01, 2018, 11:55:52 PM
This is the best 20 minutes with the ball since Allardyce arrived. Much better. We have better players than we've been showing.Clever from Sam that.
Lower expectations, grind a few results despite playing shit and then start playing ok football.
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 11:56:33 PM
Big if, though.
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 01, 2018, 11:57:16 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 11:57:33 PM
This is the best 20 minutes with the ball since Allardyce arrived. Much better. We have better players than we've been showing.We’ve played well but it’s been neat and tidy rather than incisive. We still need more quality but agree, we are better than the last couple of outings suggest.
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 01, 2018, 11:58:10 PM
Pressure on our defense to keep perfect shape
Post by: Confucius on January 01, 2018, 11:58:44 PM
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Post by: Elgoodo1978 on January 01, 2018, 11:59:34 PM
:( streeeaaaaaam??
Dito
Post by: Confucius on January 01, 2018, 11:59:57 PM
Post by: Tinga on January 02, 2018, 12:00:20 AM
:( streeeaaaaaam??
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerstreams/comments/7nfsd6/1730_gmt_everton_vs_manchester_united/
Might get one in there but streams seem mostly shit these days.
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 12:00:41 AM
Post by: Everton Mint on January 02, 2018, 12:00:56 AM
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 12:01:27 AM
Niasse has caused us major problems twice by stupidly giving the ball away. Sort your head out.
Don't think he's got much of a head to sort out, bless him
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 02, 2018, 12:01:51 AM
Niasse has caused us major problems twice by stupidly giving the ball away. Sort your head out.His decision making and awareness so far is unspectacular.....
Post by: cantoffee on January 02, 2018, 12:01:52 AM
Post by: Ball8y on January 02, 2018, 12:02:32 AM
Pogba's long balls are amazing
My bird just saw this and has started googling Pogba...
Post by: Lookmanohands on January 02, 2018, 12:03:52 AM
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 02, 2018, 12:04:16 AM
Niasse has caused us major problems twice by stupidly giving the ball away. Sort your head out.
Can’t say you’re surprised at his limitations is he? We all know he’s crap with the ball
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2018, 12:05:04 AM
Can’t say you’re surprised at his limitations is he? We all know he’s crap with the ball
Not surprised no. But he needs to do better.
Post by: Everton Mint on January 02, 2018, 12:06:17 AM
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Post by: Elgoodo1978 on January 02, 2018, 12:09:56 AM
http://www.hdsoccers.stream/2018/01/everton-vs-manchester-united.html
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 02, 2018, 12:09:57 AM
Post by: Everton Mint on January 02, 2018, 12:10:24 AM
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 02, 2018, 12:10:26 AM
Not surprised no. But he needs to do better.
Ok, I agree. Niasse was nowhere near after Vkasics excellent work.
Get in the box Oumar!
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2018, 12:10:33 AM
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Post by: Ell Capitan on January 02, 2018, 12:13:14 AM
Good man.
Post by: Confucius on January 02, 2018, 12:13:15 AM
Michael Keane is terrible
All he does is back and sideways pedal and get himself in tangles
Post by: mikey_blue on January 02, 2018, 12:14:22 AM
Post by: stirlingblue on January 02, 2018, 12:14:26 AM
Post by: Confucius on January 02, 2018, 12:14:46 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 02, 2018, 12:15:27 AM
Kenny would have been awesome at right back in this match... so much better than Holgate at right back.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 12:15:55 AM
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2018, 12:16:20 AM
Post by: Everton Mint on January 02, 2018, 12:16:39 AM
Post by: Confucius on January 02, 2018, 12:16:42 AM
Why is Niasse constantly pulling outwide?
Instructions?
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 02, 2018, 12:17:25 AM
Williams continues to be a rock back there
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2018, 12:17:40 AM
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Post by: Confucius on January 02, 2018, 12:18:49 AM
Niasse lad. I know he's bagged a few and he's enthusiastic but his inability to do basic things is ridiculous. Must do players' heads in. Get DCL on.
That's fair enough but at the same time he made our best chance.
Watch our threat dissipate when DCL comes on.
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 02, 2018, 12:18:50 AM
Instructions?Awareness?
Post by: wepull on January 02, 2018, 12:18:54 AM
Post by: Goaljira on January 02, 2018, 12:19:01 AM
Post by: blueToffee on January 02, 2018, 12:19:57 AM
Niasse lad. I know he's bagged a few and he's enthusiastic but his inability to do basic things is ridiculous. Must do players' heads in. Get DCL on.
I prefer Niasse’s movement up top. He didn’t have the best of halves mind you, but how many anonymous halves has DCL had?
Only curious thing is the pulling wide thing, he’s doing it enough that it seems to be for a game plan.
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2018, 12:20:30 AM
That's fair enough but at the same time he made our best chance.
Watch our threat dissipate when DCL comes on.
Even with that, did you see his shot? De Gea would've spun it on his little finger. So brainless.
Post by: stirlingblue on January 02, 2018, 12:20:45 AM
As good as Davies has been in the first half, I'd like to see Sig come on in place of him.
Not sure why you would take Davies off, he's the only one of the midfield with the mobility to carry the ball forward and he's done it well.
We'll probably see Sig on for Bolasie out of necessity as there's no way Bolasie has 90 in him.
DCL needs to come on for Niasse, he might not have the same goal threat but attacks are just breaking down when they reach Niasse
Post by: TheTone on January 02, 2018, 12:21:01 AM
Their fullbacks are weak, we need better quality when getting into crossing positions
Post by: Silas on January 02, 2018, 12:21:04 AM
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2018, 12:21:37 AM
I like DCL but he's not a threat at all.
Niasse has clearly been told to pull outwide for some reason. He should be out of the game playing off the shoulder of the centre half.
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 12:22:12 AM
Our game plan should just be give it to Bolasie every opportunity.
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 02, 2018, 12:22:26 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2018, 12:23:00 AM
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 12:23:16 AM
Davies off Barkley on
Post by: TheTone on January 02, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Post by: Cozzie on January 02, 2018, 12:23:24 AM
Sig on for Davies at HT.
Post by: Silas on January 02, 2018, 12:23:39 AM
Niasse over DCL for me any day.
I like DCL but he's not a threat at all.
Niasse has clearly been told to pull outwide for some reason. He should be out of the game playing off the shoulder of the centre half.
Neither are the answer really
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 02, 2018, 12:23:39 AM
Niasse lad. I know he's bagged a few and he's enthusiastic but his inability to do basic things is ridiculous. Must do players' heads in. Get DCL on.
He needs to stop dropping back. Oumar needs to stay on the shoulder of the last defender. He’s a 1 trick pony so just do the 1 trick pls.
Post by: Confucius on January 02, 2018, 12:24:03 AM
Not sure why you would take Davies off, he's the only one of the midfield with the mobility to carry the ball forward and he's done it well.
We'll probably see Sig on for Bolasie out of necessity as there's no way Bolasie has 90 in him.
DCL needs to come on for Niasse, he might not have the same goal threat but attacks are just breaking down when they reach Niasse
Can't remember the last time DCL had a shot.
Post by: pjk on January 02, 2018, 12:24:41 AM
Post by: Cozzie on January 02, 2018, 12:24:55 AM
Just not got the hope.
Rather keep developing Holgate long term.
Post by: blueToffee on January 02, 2018, 12:27:01 AM
This is easily the best we've played in midfield for ages. DCL has had no service at all. He's probably thinking 'where was this when I was running myself silly every game?'
Or maybe DCL was part of the problem..?
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 12:29:10 AM
Henry having a mare there
I always mute him and Veneer-Face Souness.
What did the cringey company man say?
Post by: Lookmanohands on January 02, 2018, 12:29:35 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2018, 12:29:49 AM
Or maybe DCL was part of the problem..?
Maybe but the striker is the position most dependent on the rest of the team. Can't do anything if you don't get the ball.
Post by: TheTone on January 02, 2018, 12:32:00 AM
I always mute him and Veneer-Face Souness.
What did the cringey company man say?
Couldn't pronounce percentage after about 6 attempts
Post by: Ravardo on January 02, 2018, 12:32:13 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 02, 2018, 12:32:54 AM
just remembered alan Parry
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 12:34:38 AM
Post by: blueToffee on January 02, 2018, 12:35:02 AM
Maybe but the striker is the position most dependent on the rest of the team. Can't do anything if you don't get the ball.
Very true. I do think we lack a presence with DCL though, Niasse has his faults but I think he does pull defenders about a bit more. Probably what I appreciate more when neither have a ton to work with.
We’re clearly trying to add a main striker in January so this may soon be a question of who out of Niasse or DCL we want to bring on for 20-25 mins which is probably more the sort of use they should be getting at the moment.
Post by: Everton Mint on January 02, 2018, 12:37:31 AM
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Post by: Ball8y on January 02, 2018, 12:41:07 AM
No vision, poor passing in the final third. A left back with no ability to put a cross in without cutting back on to his right... so easy to manage against. Just a matter of time before we concede.
Only just doubting Keane? He's been shite since day one. Burnley did a Southampton on us same as the Saints do to the redshite
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2018, 12:41:21 AM
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Post by: blargins on January 02, 2018, 12:43:12 AM
What happened? We are well 2nd best here now
I started watching the game.
Post by: blueToffee on January 02, 2018, 12:43:40 AM
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Post by: stirlingblue on January 02, 2018, 12:44:38 AM
Vlasic not doing well tracking back there. Wouldn't be surprised to see Lennon before long if that keeps up.
He tracked back well against Martial a few minutes earlier, so he's capable of it when he wants to."
Post by: blargins on January 02, 2018, 12:44:42 AM
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 12:47:06 AM
He tracked back well against Martial a few minutes earlier, so he's capable of it when he wants to."This is probably why him and Lookman don’t get more game time. Can’t have Luxury players in this league.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 02, 2018, 12:47:27 AM
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 12:48:07 AM
Fuck was said at half time.Jose told them to speed up their passing...
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2018, 12:48:16 AM
Post by: TheTone on January 02, 2018, 12:48:22 AM
Fuck was said at half time.
Mourinho must have got right into them
Post by: School of Science on January 02, 2018, 12:48:46 AM
Fuck was said at half time.
Good point that
Post by: blueToffee on January 02, 2018, 12:49:19 AM
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Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 02, 2018, 12:50:15 AM
Are we going for the decent result and only loosing with 0-1?
And the crowd is booing...........
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 12:50:21 AM
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Post by: School of Science on January 02, 2018, 12:51:06 AM
We don’t look happy right now, need to make some changes...actually I take that back, McCarthy is coming on?
Yes we need a goal ::)
Post by: duncandisorderly on January 02, 2018, 12:51:13 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 02, 2018, 12:51:17 AM
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Post by: Elgoodo1978 on January 02, 2018, 12:52:19 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2018, 12:52:24 AM
Sam Allardyce lads
Agenda
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 12:52:26 AM
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 12:52:51 AM
Post by: Heisenberg on January 02, 2018, 12:52:58 AM
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Post by: Silas on January 02, 2018, 12:53:15 AM
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 02, 2018, 12:53:17 AM
Sam Allardyce ladsIt’s like he is trying to provoke the fans on purpose just to show who is in charge.
Post by: hannu on January 02, 2018, 12:53:30 AM
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 12:53:30 AM
No attempts on target!!
Post by: Ball8y on January 02, 2018, 12:53:37 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 12:53:39 AM
Fitness, lads. Subs are 100% due to fitness. Think before you post.
Spot on.
Got to save these players so they chase shadows at Anfield on Friday.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 12:53:59 AM
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 02, 2018, 12:54:03 AM
Schnierderlin is a passenger
We cannot win with him on the pitch. Dead serious
Post by: cantoffee on January 02, 2018, 12:54:57 AM
Post by: stirlingblue on January 02, 2018, 12:54:59 AM
It's like he is trying to provoke the fans on purpose just to show who is in charge.
Either that or he wants sacking, he'll get a nice payout if he stinks the place out and gets sacked.
Never understood why clubs allow contracts that do that
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2018, 12:55:09 AM
Post by: Ramjam on January 02, 2018, 12:55:28 AM
Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2018, 12:56:38 AM
Rooney can't play every minute and his fitness needs to be managed but he's the only midfielder we have who's remotely incisive with his passing and we're crap without him on the pitch.
Post by: blueToffee on January 02, 2018, 12:57:55 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 12:58:10 AM
It's a tricky situation to manage with the current squad.
Rooney can't play every minute and his fitness needs to be managed but he's the only midfielder we have who's remotely incisive with his passing and we're crap without him on the pitch.
Even taking into account his struggles, is there any reason for Davy Klaassen not to be ahead of McCarthy in this situation?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 12:58:11 AM
It's like he is trying to provoke the fans on purpose just to show who is in charge.It’s like Bolasie has been out a year and Rooney has had flu and a chest infection and we played 2 days ago...
Post by: TheTone on January 02, 2018, 12:58:15 AM
Post by: Everton Mint on January 02, 2018, 12:58:22 AM
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 12:58:33 AM
Pogba is a grade A melt.
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 02, 2018, 12:58:47 AM
Don't have a go at Allardyce lads, the agenda police will kick offMore possession perhaps?
No attempts on target!!
Post by: mikey_blue on January 02, 2018, 12:59:51 AM
Post by: Bwana on January 02, 2018, 12:59:59 AM
United stepped it up and their quality is a different level.
They ain't have real quality. Which shows us... yep.
The game of nothingness. Again. Oumar is still trying though.
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:00:16 AM
Great tackle, McCarthy.
Pogba is a grade A melt.
Melt is a word that should be used more often
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:00:17 AM
Spot on.Haha cry baby
Got to save these players so they chase shadows at Anfield on Friday.
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:00:38 AM
Haha cry baby
Apologist
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 01:00:50 AM
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Post by: BlueNoseMike on January 02, 2018, 01:01:55 AM
Tactical genius is big Sam. Haha
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:02:04 AM
Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2018, 01:02:07 AM
Even taking into account his struggles, is there any reason for Davy Klaassen not to be ahead of McCarthy in this situation?
I don't think Klaassen is the right type of midfielder either. He doesn't look for the ball and he doesn't dribble. From what I've seen, he mostly just moves around in search of space, occasionally contributing a nifty touch to open something up. Like a slow, passive Thomas Muller, or something like that.
Post by: blob on January 02, 2018, 01:02:23 AM
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Post by: cantoffee on January 02, 2018, 01:02:36 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:02:51 AM
ApologistRealist.
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 02, 2018, 01:02:53 AM
Post by: Silas on January 02, 2018, 01:03:08 AM
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:03:36 AM
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 02, 2018, 01:03:51 AM
It’s like Bolasie has been out a year and Rooney has had flu and a chest infection and we played 2 days ago...If we only had any other options on the bench. Like that Icelandic fella Sigurdsson at Swansea....
Post by: cantoffee on January 02, 2018, 01:03:53 AM
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Post by: cantoffee on January 02, 2018, 01:04:29 AM
Post by: BlueNoseMike on January 02, 2018, 01:04:50 AM
Where's this been for 3 years?
Post by: duncandisorderly on January 02, 2018, 01:04:54 AM
Post by: Heisenberg on January 02, 2018, 01:05:04 AM
Melt is a word that should be used more often
Ye, in birkenhead
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2018, 01:05:14 AM
McCarthy has helped us get a foothold on this game. Great sub from Allerdyce.
Nah. The football intelligentsia on here say not so that's how it is.
Post by: mikey_blue on January 02, 2018, 01:05:26 AM
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Post by: fubarruk on January 02, 2018, 01:06:14 AM
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2018, 01:06:25 AM
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Post by: Silas on January 02, 2018, 01:07:43 AM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 01:07:49 AM
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 02, 2018, 01:08:15 AM
Sad 😢
Post by: blob on January 02, 2018, 01:08:16 AM
Post by: Everton Mint on January 02, 2018, 01:08:19 AM
Post by: TheTone on January 02, 2018, 01:08:26 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:08:28 AM
Post by: Bwana on January 02, 2018, 01:08:31 AM
Post by: fubarruk on January 02, 2018, 01:08:40 AM
can't moan todayOther than their keeper has had fuck all to do?
Post by: cantoffee on January 02, 2018, 01:08:51 AM
Post by: blueToffee on January 02, 2018, 01:09:00 AM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 01:09:00 AM
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 01:09:11 AM
Post by: dchans on January 02, 2018, 01:09:21 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:09:28 AM
Fair play I didn't like the subs at all but we do look better for it
Problem is he took off one player capable of a goal and brought on two that aren't.
Post by: blueToffee on January 02, 2018, 01:09:31 AM
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Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2018, 01:09:54 AM
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Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 02, 2018, 01:10:25 AM
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 02, 2018, 01:10:31 AM
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 02, 2018, 01:10:32 AM
Shots on target
Lemme guess: Zero?
Post by: Smingers on January 02, 2018, 01:10:41 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 02, 2018, 01:10:49 AM
Post by: stirlingblue on January 02, 2018, 01:11:01 AM
I'm not writing a player off as confidence is shot around the whole club but I'm worried that we've got a dud with him
Post by: dchans on January 02, 2018, 01:11:11 AM
Complete melt in real life too
Post by: Silas on January 02, 2018, 01:11:23 AM
0-2 defeat but win because we played well for 10 minutes for the Allardyce fans.
I'm no Allardyce fan but I don't mind at all how we've approached this today. Lack of quality in the final third has cost us but it's an improvement going forward. There's a bad case of minds made up going on with him.
Post by: NomadskiEFC on January 02, 2018, 01:11:26 AM
Post by: Martip on January 02, 2018, 01:11:46 AM
McCarthy been fantastic since he came on, if can stay clear of injures from now he’ll be a massive asset.A fit McCarthy over Morgan any day of the week. Morgan only looks good in slow games as soon as the pace picks up he's a passenger.
Post by: Everton Mint on January 02, 2018, 01:11:58 AM
Post by: TheTone on January 02, 2018, 01:12:19 AM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 01:12:43 AM
Other than their keeper has had fuck all to do?we've competed most of the game against world class players, with our limits what more could be asked..
Post by: Confucius on January 02, 2018, 01:13:30 AM
Subs worked today. Fair play Sam
Post by: cantoffee on January 02, 2018, 01:13:53 AM
Pogba is a proper over rated twatNah, by far the best player on the pitch. A complete midfielder in every respect.
Complete melt in real life too
But yea definitely a melt.
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:13:56 AM
I'm no Allardyce fan but I don't mind at all how we've approached this today. Lack of quality in the final third has cost us but it's an improvement going forward. There's a bad case of minds made up going on with him.
Played well first half.
Second half, every single evertonian knew what was coming after five minutes and nothing was changed.
Need a goal and he takes off the one player capable of scoring one. Granted we played better once the subs came on but we aren't going to score a goal without Rooney or Sigurdsson on the pitch so it was pointless.
Post by: blargins on January 02, 2018, 01:14:03 AM
Post by: Bwana on January 02, 2018, 01:14:17 AM
El Grande has steadied the ship, I think we're ok considering the bottom-3 etc. What's the point at the moment... xcept the coming Saturday?
I've conceded the season. Cup-run! Here we go (for another 5 days at least)!
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 02, 2018, 01:14:40 AM
Better than parking the bus. Just beaten by the better team.
Yep. Not much the manager could do about tonight’s game. We have no quality out there - we are a really mediocre group of players
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:15:09 AM
0-2 defeat but win because we played well for 10 minutes for the Allardyce fans.Everything alright at home, son?
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 01:15:24 AM
I'm no Allardyce fan but I don't mind at all how we've approached this today. Lack of quality in the final third has cost us but it's an improvement going forward. There's a bad case of minds made up going on with him.
I agree.
Trouble is, much like Moyes and Koeman before him, I fear he will use the fact that we've conceded twice to then revert back to blanket defence and anonymous/cautious attacking intent.
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:15:34 AM
Last 5 games
Shots on target
Drumroll
3
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:16:49 AM
Amusing stat coming up
Last 5 games
Shots on target
Drumroll
3
Players fault.
How are they meant to get shots on target against Bournemouth and West Brom or in matches at Goodison Park?
Edit: Bit unlucky today tbf
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:17:06 AM
I'm no Allardyce fan but I don't mind at all how we've approached this today. Lack of quality in the final third has cost us but it's an improvement going forward. There's a bad case of minds made up going on with him.Apologist
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 02, 2018, 01:17:36 AM
Amusing stat coming up
Last 5 games
Shots on target
Drumroll
3
Which I think were all during the last 0-0. Grim shakeyheadman
Edit: outside the Gana goal of course
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 01:18:05 AM
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 02, 2018, 01:18:11 AM
Standard NSNO stuff.
Post by: Heisenberg on January 02, 2018, 01:18:23 AM
We have more 'quality' than 13 other teams in the league. Yet these are able to take points off teams that ware aren't
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:18:26 AM
Players fault.Agree, 85% players fault
How are they meant to get shots on target against Bournemouth and West Brom or in matches at Goodison Park?
Edit: Bit unlucky today tbf
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:19:07 AM
Players fault.
How are they meant to get shots on target against Bournemouth and West Brom or in matches at Goodison Park?
Edit: Bit unlucky today tbf
Shame on you and your agenda
Oh wait..
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:19:08 AM
So we gave it a decent go today and abandoned the ultra defensive approach we took against Liverpool and Chelsea that some cunts were moaning like fuck at, we get beat despite a fairly decent performance, said cunts are now moaning we got beat today by 2nd in the league.
Standard NSNO stuff.
If only we were as good as Bristol City
Post by: chang on January 02, 2018, 01:19:53 AM
Poor from managment
Post by: fubarruk on January 02, 2018, 01:20:23 AM
we've competed most of the game against world class players, with our limits what more could be asked..We really haven't. We've offered zero threat, and a weakened United team have comfortably won this without having to get out of 2nd gear.
Getting men behind the ball and chasing United around the pitch isn't 'competing'
Post by: Silas on January 02, 2018, 01:20:33 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:20:36 AM
It's more than a lack of quality up front it is a lack of presence. We can't even try and hit a front man to get us up the pitch. This team would be in deeper shit with a less experienced manager in charge.Still plenty on here that think this is a good squad and even Gary Megson would get us 7th. Poor souls.
Post by: Heisenberg on January 02, 2018, 01:21:12 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:21:15 AM
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:21:27 AM
So we gave it a decent go today and abandoned the ultra defensive approach we took against Liverpool and Chelsea that some cunts were moaning like fuck at, we get beat despite a fairly decent performance, said cunts are now moaning we got beat today by 2nd in the league.
Standard NSNO stuff.
Decent performance? What game have you been watching, we were ok for about 20 mins
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 02, 2018, 01:21:31 AM
Post by: mikey_blue on January 02, 2018, 01:21:42 AM
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:21:43 AM
Apparently these players aren't good enough... weird how they managed to produce goals under Unsworth...
Nailed it!!
Post by: Bwana on January 02, 2018, 01:21:44 AM
We'll win at Mordor!
Post by: blargins on January 02, 2018, 01:21:56 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:21:57 AM
If only we were as good as Bristol CityCry baby
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 02, 2018, 01:22:21 AM
If only we were as good as Bristol City
Stop acting like a retarded child.
By that reasoning every team in the fucking league should beat United in every game.
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:22:24 AM
Cry baby
Apologist
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 01:22:25 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 02, 2018, 01:22:47 AM
Still plenty on here that think this is a good squad and even Gary Megson would get us 7th. Poor souls.
You’re off your head. Posting proper mad shit all the time, I honestly can’t figure out if you’re serious or not.
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:22:50 AM
Stop acting like a retarded child.
By that reasoning every team in the fucking league should beat United in every game.
Or manage a few shots on target
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:22:52 AM
Post by: NomadskiEFC on January 02, 2018, 01:23:25 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 02, 2018, 01:23:50 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:24:00 AM
Post by: Silas on January 02, 2018, 01:24:43 AM
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:25:33 AM
We showed a bit of fight for about 10mins thats all
7 mins to be precise
Post by: Polledreng on January 02, 2018, 01:26:36 AM
Apparently these players aren't good enough... weird how they managed to produce goals under Unsworth...perhaps because they conceded 20 goals in 8 games... You miss Martinez ?
Post by: Silas on January 02, 2018, 01:27:24 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 02, 2018, 01:27:33 AM
Ironic that the first goal went in after a counter-attack
that wasnt a counter attack.. lol we didnt get to attack, Rooney lost control and decided to pass it square along the ground across the pitch... then they(man utd) countered..
some of it was ok today,, but still dont understand why defensive midfielders and defenders would rather try to play the killer pass or long ball across the pitch, when they have someone like Vlasic next to them.. so many times Holgate could have passed it to him/back to him, but he didnt, he just went on missions himself...
i dont mind Kenny doing that, cos he can actually attack..
also why was Niasse on the wing so much i nthe first half? at times Vlasic was the central striker.. wtf seriously..
stop all the changing around of the team., play your strongest 11, if someone is injured then change.. we seemed to be doing ok when he kept the team the same..with minimal changes.
Post by: Bwana on January 02, 2018, 01:27:37 AM
Mad how black and white people's opinions on Everton under Allardyce are.
Barcodes. Kraak Kraak.
Post by: Heisenberg on January 02, 2018, 01:27:47 AM
perhaps because they conceded 20 goals in 8 games... You miss Martinez ?
There is a balance between ultra defensive and ultra attack. The sooner the owners of Everton realise this the better. We need someone who is adaptable
Post by: blueToffee on January 02, 2018, 01:28:05 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 02, 2018, 01:29:07 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:29:27 AM
perhaps because they conceded 20 goals in 8 games... You miss Martinez ?
Martinez over Allardyce any day.
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:30:29 AM
Mad how black and white people's opinions on Everton under Allardyce are.
Im staggered that anyone can support him, honestly, we beat a shite Swansea side, luckily beat a shite Newcastle side and Huddersfield.
Ill repeat myself again because it needs repeating, no shots on target for the second home game on the bounce, thats a fucking disgrace regardless of who we're playing
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 02, 2018, 01:31:05 AM
Martinez over Allardyce any day.
lolol lolol lolol
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:31:14 AM
Martinez over Allardyce any day.
Again yes
Post by: Bwana on January 02, 2018, 01:31:58 AM
Martinez over Allardyce any day.
Nay never. Free fall that was padawan.
Post by: Ravardo on January 02, 2018, 01:33:48 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:34:11 AM
You're off your head. Posting proper mad shit all the time, I honestly can't figure out if you're serious or not.What, loads of people do think we should easily be 7th...
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:36:54 AM
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 01:38:06 AM
Everything alright at home, son?
Ooh, you're being a little cow today, Granty mate 😃
Sure you haven't got your period, sweetheart? :-*
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:39:39 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 02, 2018, 01:41:17 AM
Hope we get a set piece
Set up for nil one
Hope we get a set piece
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:41:47 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 02, 2018, 01:43:30 AM
What, loads of people do think we should easily be 7th...
Still making no sense at all tbh. Going off about Megson, now about 7th and talking about loads of people.
Bonkers stuff.
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:43:36 AM
Its not his team though etc...
Can't compete with the likes of West Brom and Bournemouth etc. Can't expect shots on target at Goodison Park against Chelsea and United etc
You'd think we'd swapped squads with Morecambe.
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 01:44:34 AM
Four goals in last five matches and two of them came as a result of penalties.
Even under Unsy though we struggled from open play:
Watford was Niasse charging down the keeper; DCL from a corner; and a lucky pen.
Palace was a lucky pen; and knicking the ball back from a mistake.
Southampton was Sigurdsson great goal.
WHam was pen, good goal, wonder goal, Williams from corner.
SA has been:
H’field two decent goals.
Anfield lucky pen
Swansea lucky pen; individual goal; lucky pen
Newcastle decent goal
Bournemouth decent goal.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 01:45:09 AM
It's all getting a bit silly round here. Only Glewis and Kramer make any sense.
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:46:22 AM
Even under Unsy though we struggled from open play:
Watford was Niasse charging down the keeper; DCL from a corner; and a lucky pen.
Palace was a lucky pen; and knicking the ball back from a mistake.
Southampton was Sigurdsson great goal.
WHam was pen, good goal, wonder goal, Williams from corner.
SA has been:
H’field two decent goals.
Anfield lucky pen
Swansea lucky pen; individual goal; lucky pen
Newcastle decent goal
Bournemouth decent goal.
Newcastle was a horrendous GK mistake like.
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:48:30 AM
Fuck you Everton
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 01:48:35 AM
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 01:49:12 AM
Well am gonna go home now, lie on my couch with a t-towel on my chest and watch Hustle or Penthouse, crack one or two out, then watch the darts
Fuck you Everton
Yeah, that Phil Taylor is a hot piece of arse 👌🏼
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:49:26 AM
Did he just say that having no shots on target is "normal" as in 'to be expected'?
You'll never see Allardyce take accountability for anything mate. Never has, never will.
Post by: TheTone on January 02, 2018, 01:49:59 AM
Post by: Goaljira on January 02, 2018, 01:50:18 AM
Mad how black and white people's opinions on Everton under Allardyce are.
He's like our own Donald Trump.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 02, 2018, 01:50:22 AM
Everyone was quite happy with that line-up and the way we started the game...don't see how we set up for a nil-nil.The front four Would be sound if it wasn't niasse, vlasic, rooney and bolaisie were actually fit.
It's all getting a bit silly round hear. Only Glewis and Kramer make any sense.
Then, two dms, schneiderlin so out of form and Davies out of his depth
Apart from that yeah, decent
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:50:33 AM
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2018, 01:50:36 AM
Sacked Martinez, hired Koeman and Walsh, sacked Koeman, hired Allardyce.
His managerial decisions go from bad to worse.
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 01:51:51 AM
Newcastle was a horrendous GK mistake like.
Glass half empty!
We need to be doing more; obviously but we’ve been imbalanced in terms of attacking since the summer.
Just don’t think a total melt down / huge criticism is right, if only from the point of view that it’s not conducting to making us better.
Didn’t think it was worth sacking Koeman to get someone who is solid primarily but he’s been appointed so I think it’s only right to give it a fair shot before mega criticisms.
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 01:52:02 AM
You'll never see Allardyce take accountability for anything mate. Never has, never will.
I think the same can be said of 99% of managers to be honest
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:52:53 AM
Allardyce saying he only expects us to score one goal a game at the moment lolol
Its not his team, judge him when we've signed Shane Long and Van Arnhoult
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:53:08 AM
I think the same can be said of 99% of managers to be honest
Speaking of managers like that, Mark Hughes should be available soon :)
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 01:53:46 AM
Speaking of managers like that, Mark Hughes should be available soon :)
Out of the frying pan..
Post by: TheTone on January 02, 2018, 01:54:19 AM
Why do I keep putting myself through this shite bias
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 01:54:55 AM
Allardyce saying he only expects us to score one goal a game at the moment lolol
I admire his optimism.
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 01:57:54 AM
Let’s be honest this is really Moshiri’s mess.
Sacked Martinez, hired Koeman and Walsh, sacked Koeman, hired Allardyce.
His managerial decisions go from bad to worse.
Well it’s a collective from since Moyes left.
We’re not better in any position since 12/13.
Pickford probably apart.
In theory CM should be better than Osman and Neville but they’re not playing like it.
At that point we had a settled side with obvious improvements needed in CM and striker.
Pretty wide open now where improvements can be made.
Post by: pjk on January 02, 2018, 01:58:40 AM
There is a balance between ultra defensive and ultra attack. The sooner the owners of Everton realise this the better. We need someone who is adaptable
Someone who's adaptable enough, to plug into a three-pronged attacking idea. We'de be electric. :)
Post by: DanDan on January 02, 2018, 01:59:25 AM
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Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 02:00:40 AM
hopefully that will shut a lot of people up who wanted Vlasic in the team! He has shown time and again his defensive work isn't up to scratch and they just walked past him numerous times today
Thought he was good.
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 02:01:54 AM
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 02, 2018, 02:03:29 AM
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2018, 02:05:20 AM
Well it’s a collective from since Moyes left.
We’re not better in any position since 12/13.
Pickford probably apart.
In theory CM should be better than Osman and Neville but they’re not playing like it.
At that point we had a settled side with obvious improvements needed in CM and striker.
Pretty wide open now where improvements can be made.
There was certainly a point where we were better than then, but since that we’ve sold all the better players and replaced them poorly with progressively worse recruitment choices.
I’d have thought that’s pretty indisputable.
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 02:13:25 AM
There was certainly a point where we were better than then, but since that we’ve sold all the better players and replaced them poorly with progressively worse recruitment choices.
I’d have thought that’s pretty indisputable.
At end of 12/13 we needed better CMs and striker.
Summer 13 we signed McCarthy and Barry, replaced Fellaini with Barkley and got Lukaku.
Lukaku replaced (and more) Fellaini’s goals and Barkley more suited to RM approach so easy to see why we improved from 6th to 5th.
From then it went rapidly down hill with aging players not replaced (Pienaar first up in summer 14) and others losing form along with the team in general.
Post by: Heisenberg on January 02, 2018, 02:16:36 AM
At end of 12/13 we needed better CMs and striker.
Summer 13 we signed McCarthy and Barry, replaced Fellaini with Barkley and got Lukaku.
Lukaku replaced (and more) Fellaini’s goals and Barkley more suited to RM approach so easy to see why we improved from 6th to 5th.
From then it went rapidly down hill with aging players not replaced (Pienaar first up in summer 14) and others losing form along with the team in general.
Pienaar was never replaced that was criminal. Haven't had a left winger since
Post by: Goaljira on January 02, 2018, 02:16:40 AM
Thought he was good.
On the ball he was fine. Off the ball he swtiched off repeatedly and lacked physicality/tenacity in the challenge.
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 02, 2018, 02:17:38 AM
Just don’t think a total melt down / huge criticism is right, if only from the point of view that it’s not conducting to making us better.
Didn’t think it was worth sacking Koeman to get someone who is solid primarily but he’s been appointed so I think it’s only right to give it a fair shot before mega criticisms.
This is so blindingly obviously true, it amazes me it’s such a minority opinion on here.
People have simply lost all patience when it comes to football.
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 02:19:07 AM
Pienaar was never replaced that was criminal. Haven't had a left winger since
Not just that he was a left winger - more that he was an exceptional link player.
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 02, 2018, 02:19:24 AM
Thought he was good for the first half.
Fixed.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 02, 2018, 02:21:48 AM
Post by: Bally on January 02, 2018, 02:33:08 AM
Sam Allardyce can go suck a fart out my arse the fucking #FartWrangler
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 02:36:40 AM
So are we allowed to question Allardyce now or are all the defence team gonna try justify his appointment, he's been doing the same thing for 30 fucking years and how anyone thinks it's going to change is fucking beyond me, worse than moyes at his most negative today, fucking shitehawk subs, although McCarthy did have a go, and no fucking shots on target again.
Sam Allardyce can go suck a fart out my arse the fucking #FartWrangler
#agenda
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 02:47:30 AM
So are we allowed to question Allardyce now or are all the defence team gonna try justify his appointment, he's been doing the same thing for 30 fucking years and how anyone thinks it's going to change is fucking beyond me, worse than moyes at his most negative today, fucking shitehawk subs, although McCarthy did have a go, and no fucking shots on target again.so are you warming to him?
Sam Allardyce can go suck a fart out my arse the fucking #FartWrangler
Post by: gizzblue on January 02, 2018, 02:50:41 AM
His starting squad was the best line up he's put out yet ......then panicked and gave it away come half time ....shithouse tactics again .
Just got home havnt seen his presser was he bemoaning the forwards again ?.
Who in there right mind would wanna join us with him at the healm .
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 02, 2018, 02:53:05 AM
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 02:55:22 AM
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2018, 02:59:30 AM
At end of 12/13 we needed better CMs and striker.
Summer 13 we signed McCarthy and Barry, replaced Fellaini with Barkley and got Lukaku.
Lukaku replaced (and more) Fellaini’s goals and Barkley more suited to RM approach so easy to see why we improved from 6th to 5th.
From then it went rapidly down hill with aging players not replaced (Pienaar first up in summer 14) and others losing form along with the team in general.
18 months ago we had 4 of the very best young talent in European football. They’ve all disappeared bar one who nearly left last summer.
We replaced 22 year old Stones with a 31 year old and Lukaku with a 32 year old. That was almost £130m worth of talent gone while under his stewardship, under the governance of managers appointed by him.
Truly awful decisions.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 03:02:15 AM
The pro Allardyce wums are quiet tonight arnt they
And the Anti-Allardyce brigade are making plenty of noise without naming any feasible alternatives.
Post by: plumber on January 02, 2018, 03:02:51 AM
The pro Allardyce wums are quiet tonight arnt they
Yeah, but anti Allardyce wums are active as ever.
Post by: gizzblue on January 02, 2018, 03:06:40 AM
And the Anti-Allardyce brigade are making plenty of noise without naming any feasible alternatives.The alternative is the manager needs to stop being so fucking negative in his approach ...no?.
We weren't great first half but it was an improvement on the shite at WBA and Bournemouth. ..then Sam waved his magic wand and made the worst fucked up subs yet ...the alternative was right there ...the crowd booed the subs they all knew what was coming .they all saw it and don't get 6 million a year.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 03:07:23 AM
The pro Allardyce wums are quiet tonight arnt theyNobody i know wanted him and everyone wants him gone as soon as poss,some are just trying to be fair and not blame him for whats not his fault thats all.
Post by: Escla on January 02, 2018, 03:09:22 AM
We're are Sam's supporters now ? ....all hiding or lining up behind the rest of us now .
His starting squad was the best line up he's put out yet ......then panicked and gave it away come half time ....shithouse tactics again .
Just got home havnt seen his presser was he bemoaning the forwards again ?.
Who in there right mind would wanna join us with him at the healm .
Just got back to my hotel, travelled 200 miles to see that shite and have already booked non refundable train and hotel for Friday nights slaughter at Anfield, the fuckin boos from Upper Gwladys when he took Rooney off and brought Mcarthy on (although in fairness he was half decent tonight ) was a clear enough signal that Allardyce will not last beyond the end of this season, he did what he thought we wanted in terms of team selection but his game plan/tactics were a mystery to all ?
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 02, 2018, 03:13:00 AM
Unfortunately most of that meamt nothing because we had no real goal threat, and we were punished by two very good finishes from two bad mistakes.
They were better and created more and you'd expect them to.
Biggest take away from today is the same as the last few games, we are severely lacking in 4 or 5 key areas and massive work needs to be done to bring the squad up to scratch.
Easy to hate the way we're playing at the moment, but im genuinely worried that there arent many other options with the playing staff we have right now.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2018, 03:13:45 AM
Happy new year. NSNO.
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 03:14:21 AM
And the Anti-Allardyce brigade are making plenty of noise without naming any feasible alternatives.
And so they should, hes proved how one sided he is over our last few games.
Alternatives, I dont know, maybe a manager who sets up to have a go at teams at home, Moyes at his worst is better than big Sam, never thought id say that
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 03:14:28 AM
The alternative is the manager needs to stop being so fucking negative in his approach ...no?.
We weren't great first half but it was an improvement on the shite at WBA and Bournemouth. ..then Sam waved his magic wand and made the worst fucked up subs yet ...the alternative was right there ...the crowd booed the subs they all knew what was coming .they all saw it and don't get 6 million a year.
When you start claiming that the crowd know more than the manager you reveal your own naivety; and frankly make an argument with you a waste of time.
Post by: everton1952 on January 02, 2018, 03:14:39 AM
The alternative is the manager needs to stop being so fucking negative in his approach ...no?.You must have been at the back of the Park End ? and couldn't see that Bolassie was knackered after his very good effort in the first half and couldn't see that Rooney was running on empty around the same time. Was the rain in your eyes? Unfortunately Utd with far better players than us all over the park turned the screws and the inevitable happened, Not Sam's fault, you clueless dope. You are lucky to read this rebuttal because my hands are still freezing. A terrible night to be out.
We weren't great first half but it was an improvement on the shite at WBA and Bournemouth. ..then Sam waved his magic wand and made the worst fucked up subs yet ...the alternative was right there ...the crowd booed the subs they all knew what was coming .they all saw it and don't get 6 million a year.
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2018, 03:15:54 AM
No ones wanting us to open ourselves up and go gung Ho, but you can set out to be compact and also have a threat going forward.
Seemed like we set out that second half to contain them at 0-0 and settle for the draw.
He's already losing the crowd and it won't be long until the pressure starts to really pile on.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 03:16:41 AM
And so they should, hes proved how one sided he is over our last few games.
Alternatives, I dont know, maybe a manager who sets up to have a go at teams at home, Moyes at his worst is better than big Sam, never thought id say that
Our squad is piss poor and having a go at teams gets you beat before half time. Early season proved that.
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 03:20:16 AM
Our squad is piss poor and having a go at teams gets you beat before half time. Early season proved that.
Yes it's piss poor, but we've had far worss squads over the years but have competed and got results at home
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2018, 03:22:33 AM
Our squad is piss poor and having a go at teams gets you beat before half time. Early season proved that.
You can set out defensive but still have an attacking threat.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 03:23:34 AM
Yes it's piss poor, but we've had far worss squads over the years but have competed and got results at home
I would say that in relation to the standard of the rest of the league this squad is as bad as we've had. Having a go in a fight were you are completely outgunned is more likely to have you beaten sooner and more heavily.
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 03:25:02 AM
You can set out defensive but still have an attacking threat.
Exactly, the worst Everton teams we've seen had an attacking threat
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 03:25:07 AM
You can set out defensive but still have an attacking threat.Not against everybody. And sometimes your threat is so small that it actually weakens you by trying to implement it.
Post by: bluenuck on January 02, 2018, 03:27:46 AM
You can set out defensive but still have an attacking threat.
We don't really have a threatening player(s) though. Especially today. We're piss poor.
Post by: boothill on January 02, 2018, 03:28:14 AM
Post by: gizzblue on January 02, 2018, 03:29:03 AM
When you start claiming that the crowd know more than the manager you reveal your own naivety; and frankly make an argument with you a waste of time.Ffs were you there did you not get the same feeling from his shit substitute ideas as the rest of the fans thrret ....got to ask ...because you seem really far from reality .
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2018, 03:32:01 AM
And so they should, hes proved how one sided he is over our last few games.
Alternatives, I dont know, maybe a manager who sets up to have a go at teams at home, Moyes at his worst is better than big Sam, never thought id say that
"Have a go"? What with Aaron Lennon, Oumar Niasse, a 20 year old who shouldn't be even playing, a mystery spaniard and a player thats just come back from a year out? Oh sorry I forgot all those goals from midfield we were scoring before Allardyce arrived. That was ace. How I yearn for those days back again. And give even less supoort to a defence that was almost the worst in the league before Allardyce arrived. Yeah great idea.
Post by: gizzblue on January 02, 2018, 03:32:44 AM
You must have been at the back of the Park End ? and couldn't see that Bolassie was knackered after his very good effort in the first half and couldn't see that Rooney was running on empty around the same time. Was the rain in your eyes? Unfortunately Utd with far better players than us all over the park turned the screws and the inevitable happened, Not Sam's fault, you clueless dope. You are lucky to read this rebuttal because my hands are still freezing. A terrible night to be out.The rain can't get in your eyes of your in the back of the park and you dope 😅😅.but carry on get yourself a hot water bottle and come back when your warmed up bless you..I've been home a while now .
Post by: everton1952 on January 02, 2018, 03:33:00 AM
No need to come out in the 2nd half the way we did.No evidence whatever that he is losing the crowd. Where were you tonight to say that? If some clowns booed the sub of Bolassie maybe they were too thick to see he was physically finished after his first half effort? Rooney ditto except maybe Sigurdsson might have been better coming on for him. Finally your clueless statement "Seemed like we set out that second half to contain them at 0-0 and settle for the draw." Don't be stupid. Nobody planned to do that. The players fell back because they could not cope against far better players, like Pogba etc etc who turned the screw. What makes you think that our players none of whom would make it to their bench except the goalie would cope when they started to play well in the second half? They are second for a fucking good reason.
No ones wanting us to open ourselves up and go gung Ho, but you can set out to be compact and also have a threat going forward.
Seemed like we set out that second half to contain them at 0-0 and settle for the draw.
He's already losing the crowd and it won't be long until the pressure starts to really pile on.
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2018, 03:33:56 AM
"Have a go"? What with Aaron Lennon, Oumar Niasse, a 20 year old who shouldn't be even playing, a mystery spaniard and a player thats just come back from a year out? Oh sorry I forgot all those goals from midfield we were scoring before Allardyce arrived. That was ace. How I yearn for those days back again. And give even less supoort to a defence that was almost the worst in the league before Allardyce arrived. Yeah great idea.
Worth remembering Sam Allardyce took over a team that had just won 4-0.
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 03:36:55 AM
"Have a go"? What with Aaron Lennon, Oumar Niasse, a 20 year old who shouldn't be even playing, a mystery spaniard and a player thats just come back from a year out? Oh sorry I forgot all those goals from midfield we were scoring before Allardyce arrived. That was ace. How I yearn for those days back again. And give even less supoort to a defence that was almost the worst in the league before Allardyce arrived. Yeah great idea.
We had a go with Marcus Bent, we had a go with Straq, fuck we had a go with Steve Watson up front and won games!
Not a single shot on target in our last 2 home games, not one.
Post by: Juanito on January 02, 2018, 03:37:12 AM
And so they should, hes proved how one sided he is over our last few games.
Alternatives, I dont know, maybe a manager who sets up to have a go at teams at home, Moyes at his worst is better than big Sam, never thought id say that
Moyes got us to 4th with 7 goal a season Marcus Bent up top and Kevin Kilbane on the wing. He consistently got us fighting above our weight year after a year and would I imagine, be a better bet than Sam Allardyce, who just seems like a dinosaur. Can’t think why we didn’t go for Dyche over this no mark.
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2018, 03:39:12 AM
Worth remembering Sam Allardyce took over a team that had just won 4-0.
That's your point of reference is it? One game? C'mon.
I'm not going to be abusive here but clearly it's a lot easier if you go ahead first.
Post by: Juanito on January 02, 2018, 03:39:48 AM
"Have a go"? What with Aaron Lennon, Oumar Niasse, a 20 year old who shouldn't be even playing, a mystery spaniard and a player thats just come back from a year out? Oh sorry I forgot all those goals from midfield we were scoring before Allardyce arrived. That was ace. How I yearn for those days back again. And give even less supoort to a defence that was almost the worst in the league before Allardyce arrived. Yeah great idea.
David Moyes years.
Post by: everton1952 on January 02, 2018, 03:40:38 AM
The rain can't get in your eyes of your in the back of the park and you dope 😅😅.but carry on get yourself a hot water bottle and come back when your warmed up bless you..I've been home a while now .OK if it wasn't rain in your eyes then what was it that prevented you from seeing that Bolassie who had a very good first half could not last much longer and to a lesser extent ditto Rooney. Do you seriously believe they would have been taken off if fit? I know what it was, you wear anti Allardyce blinkers.
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2018, 03:42:08 AM
That's your point of reference is it? One game? C'mon.
I'm not going to be abusive here but clearly it's a lot easier if you go ahead first.
Just using it as an example as to why we should be expecting a lot more from this team going forward.
People are trying to tell us we shouldn't even have a go at teams because the attacking players are shit.
I'm saying that you can set up compact, whilst still having a threat going forward, and using an example to show that this team can score goals.
Post by: boothill on January 02, 2018, 03:42:39 AM
#agendahaters gona hate
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 03:42:40 AM
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2018, 03:50:29 AM
We had a go with Marcus Bent, we had a go with Straq, fuck we had a go with Steve Watson up front and won games!
Not a single shot on target in our last 2 home games, not one.
I don't think we did have a go with those to be honest but maybe the stats are out there.
The stat about shots on target is tiresome though. Yes it is bad. But WE are bad. We're shit. I don't know why so many people can't uncouple these two things, and I don't understand why it has to be Allardyce's fault by association. We've not been creating many chances all season, and we are not playing hoofball as I pointed out the other day. And anyway it is possible to win games with minimal shots and chances so I don't find this approach unreasonable.
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2018, 03:53:23 AM
David Moyes years.
Well that's not valid is it because it was a completely different team, league and era. I'm talking pre-Allardyce.
Post by: gizzblue on January 02, 2018, 03:53:37 AM
OK if it wasn't rain in your eyes then what was it that prevented you from seeing that Bolassie who had a very good first half could not last much longer and to a lesser extent ditto Rooney. Do you seriously believe they would have been taken off if fit? I know what it was, you wear anti Allardyce blinkers.If you read any of my posts lately I was and still am still willing to give Sam a window ....but you tell me them subs today were any thing but the totally wrong idea playing straight into man u hands and you must be having a pull of my leg ..if Gylfi Jonjoe etc were not fit or fatigued don't bring them for the bench..it's fucking simple really .
And like I keep saying id love to be proved wrong by Sam really I would , but all he does is prove his doubters right every game so far .
Hope your warmed up now .
Post by: D3blue on January 02, 2018, 04:12:44 AM
He realises the effect a 0-4 hammering would have on the team's fragile confidence so he has to be cautious. ManU have world class players. We did ok today.
I'm confident that he will get the right players and balance in the team. Give him time.
Post by: Simon Paul on January 02, 2018, 04:31:04 AM
Rooney trying too hard but at 1-0 you leave him on rather than trying to protect the deficit with McCarthy.
Pickford kept us respectable again.
Holgate isn't a right back and has never claimed to be
Schneiderlin is a coward
We need a striker or two
Man Utd fans are still proper weapons
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 02, 2018, 04:34:47 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on January 02, 2018, 04:35:15 AM
I was out for a meal and missed the game. I was gutted when I saw the lineup because it looked really fresh and attacking up front.
All I can gather from reading on here is we had a very small window where we were competitive (20, 10 r 7 mins, depending on who you believe is most accurate) and we came out the second half like a sack of shit and made poor use of the subs again.
Is that roughly it or is there more?
And did those front players - Vlasic, Rooney and Bolasie behind Niasse - get to create anything at all? Did they make any chances? Any signs of good link-up play or forward passing?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 02, 2018, 04:36:26 AM
saying that 1-0 down --any subs at the time should make an impact
the games against Bournemouth and Wba are the one where he lacked belief in the players
-----100% we need to score the first goal in games--- just like we did mostly under Moyes tactics
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 02, 2018, 04:45:01 AM
So wtf happened today?
I was out for a meal and missed the game. I was gutted when I saw the lineup because it looked really fresh and attacking up front.
All I can gather from reading on here is we had a very small window where we were competitive (20, 10 r 7 mins, depending on who you believe is most accurate) and we came out the second half like a sack of shit and made poor use of the subs again.
Is that roughly it or is there more?
And did those front players - Vlasic, Rooney and Bolasie behind Niasse - get to create anything at all? Did they make any chances? Any signs of good link-up play or forward passing?
no shots on target
Davies looping/deflected effort
Bolassie looked lively , but no one really in the box once he put his cross in
Martina got in his way quite alot in build ups down the left
McCarthy put some tackles in- than Morgs did whole game
Niasse flashed a diving header wide at the near post
Holgate no rb
Vlasic had one decent run- spent most of the time getting roasted/defensive not switched on
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2018, 04:45:39 AM
What's the need in having a 5:30pm kick off then?
Post by: charlatan on January 02, 2018, 04:48:30 AM
Rooney trying too hard but at 1-0 you leave him on rather than trying to protect the deficit with McCarthy.
Funnily enough it was Mccarthy that sparked us into life. Should have left Rooney on though, and took that cowardly shithouse Schniederlin off instead
Post by: Toddacelli on January 02, 2018, 04:56:19 AM
Shoutout to me standing at the bus stop for an hour before being told they went off at 6 because it's New Year's Day.
What's the need in having a 5:30pm kick off then?
https://twitter.com/GrumpySkeletor/status/770202025065910272
Post by: Toddacelli on January 02, 2018, 05:05:50 AM
no shots on target
Davies looping/deflected effort
Bolassie looked lively , but no one really in the box once he put his cross in
Martina got in his way quite alot in build ups down the left
McCarthy put some tackles in- than Morgs did whole game
Niasse flashed a diving header wide at the near post
Holgate no rb
Vlasic had one decent run- spent most of the time getting roasted/defensive not switched on
Thanks for the complete breakdown.*
(*That comment was for @WeimaranerBlues (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3886) - not, as you might reasonably think, Sam Fucking Allardyce and the players)
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2018, 05:05:58 AM
Worth remembering Sam Allardyce took over a team that had just won 4-0.
Apparently that was his doing.
Very generous of him seeing he’d never trained the players or had an actual contract at the point mind.
Post by: therealdunc on January 02, 2018, 05:10:18 AM
Regarding the game, we lost it in midfield they where far superior in the central areas.
I though Schniderlin proved why he was a United reject and not good enough for a team who are top 6.
Keane was also poor.
When Bolasie gets fit to play 90 mins it’s going to be a big plus although if he had just an extra 20% better accuracy with his crossing it would make a huge difference. The over welming majority are shocking and end up in no mans land, it was the same before he was injured and at palace. At least 5 out of 6 are awful.
One positive is Sigurdsson who looked knackered on Saturday got a rest, hopefully on Friday he is played in the number 10 role, he’s wasted on the wing and doesn’t have the pace to do it successfully.
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2018, 05:11:38 AM
https://twitter.com/GrumpySkeletor/status/770202025065910272
Hahahaha.
Well done :)
Post by: therealdunc on January 02, 2018, 05:11:50 AM
Apparently that was his doing.
Very generous of him seeing he’d never trained the players or had an actual contract at the point mind.
Sorry your wrong
He meet the players before the match and gave a talk.
They where playing to impress the new manager something both Rooney and Davies confirmed to Everton tv.
Sorry to put a dent in your agenda
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2018, 05:18:35 AM
Sorry your wrong
He meet the players before the match and gave a talk.
They where playing to impress the new manager something both Rooney and Davies confirmed to Everton tv.
Sorry to put a dent in your agenda
Finally care to explain how somebody so apposed to Moyes and his brand of football becomes such a huge propagandist of Allardyce?
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 05:19:33 AM
Sorry your wrong
He meet the players before the match and gave a talk.
They where playing to impress the new manager something both Rooney and Davies confirmed to Everton tv.
Sorry to put a dent in your agenda
He didnt, said so himself, stop making shit up
Post by: therealdunc on January 02, 2018, 05:25:12 AM
He didnt, said so himself, stop making shit up
Go see for yourself , sorry but your wrong on this one
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 02, 2018, 05:25:16 AM
Sorry your wrong
He meet the players before the match and gave a talk.
They where playing to impress the new manager something both Rooney and Davies confirmed to Everton tv.
Sorry to put a dent in your agenda
Stop talking shite.
He didn't meet the players, he wasn't even officially announced, he had absolutely no input on the team selection or tactics for that game.
Post by: therealdunc on January 02, 2018, 05:27:30 AM
Stop talking shite.
He didn't meet the players, he wasn't even officially announced, he had absolutely no input on the team selection or tactics for that game.
He meet the players , sorry to dissapointed you
Some really nasty agenda again on display
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 02, 2018, 05:29:24 AM
He meet the players , sorry to dissapointed you
Some really nasty agenda again on display
Nope, he didn't. Not till after the game, sorry to disappoint you. He even said it himself
Post by: therealdunc on January 02, 2018, 05:31:51 AM
The players and Unsworth confirmed he did
Please look it up for yourself and may I also suggest that you relax, you seem really excited for this time of night
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2018, 05:36:20 AM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 05:36:29 AM
Post by: Jamokachi on January 02, 2018, 05:51:28 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 05:54:35 AM
It's a complete myth that our squad is one of the poorest in the league. Sick of reading it.
The people who claim things like that aren't even underrating the players we've got, they're just missing the fact the vast majority of this league is shockingly poor.
Post by: Jamokachi on January 02, 2018, 05:57:08 AM
The people who claim things like that aren't even underrating the players we've got, they're just missing the fact the vast majority of this league is shockingly poor.
Bit of hyperbole there mate.
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 05:59:53 AM
Bit of hyperbole there mate.
It's literally between 13 teams to go down every season though isn't it?
There used to be a time where championship teams would come up, get 20 points and go back down. Now they're finishing midtable. The gap between the lower echelons of the premier league and the championship has shortened significantly imo.
Post by: Lxxx on January 02, 2018, 06:01:03 AM
What’s the point? The past four games we’ve had maybe two chances on goal. Is that really why we watch sport? I’m sure some people think of football as a given and you support your team whatever but should it really be the case that you pay your money to watch this rubbish? I dunno.
Post by: Confucius on January 02, 2018, 06:09:38 AM
But why didn't we at least try to play at West Brom and Bournemouth. The mind boggles.
Post by: Brownie20 on January 02, 2018, 06:10:34 AM
He meet the players , sorry to dissapointed you
Some really nasty agenda again on display
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Post by: Jamokachi on January 02, 2018, 06:19:21 AM
Post by: boothill on January 02, 2018, 06:21:23 AM
He meet the players , sorry to dissapointed youThe agenda benda
Some really nasty agenda again on display
Post by: Stumpy on January 02, 2018, 06:48:50 AM
In fairness to Fraud, his McCarthy sub was decent. Our performance was better today and we did try to get forward. Pogba and Mata were brilliant and the difference.This is what does my head in.I stated in another thread,the position we are in at the moment I truly understand setting up to stifle the better teams,stop them playing and nicking a point or even better a 1-0 win.It was grim to watch the Chelsea and shite games,but at least we picked a point up in each.However,there is absolutely no way we should have treated the west brom and Bournemouth games the same,west brom no wins in 18,bournemouth none in 8.Bournemouth beat us,west brom should have beat us because of the selections and the timidness of our play.We handed them the initiative,and very grateful they were too.I know we are criminally weak up front,but surely he could have played a more attack minded line up and at least given the likes of west brom and Bournemouth something to think about.
But why didn't we at least try to play at West Brom and Bournemouth. The mind boggles.
Post by: blue1948 on January 02, 2018, 11:49:12 AM
Simon Coleman ??
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 01:36:18 PM
Unsworth "Me"
Reporter "Has Sam spoke to any of the players yet"
Unworth "Not as far as I know "
Sams first pres conference
Reporter "Just to clear up any confusion, did you have any involvement in team or tactics for the West Ham game?"
Allardyce "No, Unsy trained team and picked the players and tactics, he kindly let into the changing room after the game so I could congratulate the players "
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 02, 2018, 02:28:10 PM
Post by: Lxxx on January 02, 2018, 03:03:03 PM
Just using it as an example as to why we should be expecting a lot more from this team going forward.
People are trying to tell us we shouldn't even have a go at teams because the attacking players are shit.
I'm saying that you can set up compact, whilst still having a threat going forward, and using an example to show that this team can score goals.
I agree. Burnley, for example, have attacking players that most would agree are of an inferior standard to us but they consistently pull out decent performances and results against the better teams.
It’s all about the intent and instructions you get sent out with.
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 02, 2018, 03:26:15 PM
This is what does my head in.I stated in another thread,the position we are in at the moment I truly understand setting up to stifle the better teams,stop them playing and nicking a point or even better a 1-0 win.It was grim to watch the Chelsea and shite games,but at least we picked a point up in each.However,there is absolutely no way we should have treated the west brom and Bournemouth games the same,west brom no wins in 18,bournemouth none in 8.Bournemouth beat us,west brom should have beat us because of the selections and the timidness of our play.We handed them the initiative,and very grateful they were too.I know we are criminally weak up front,but surely he could have played a more attack minded line up and at least given the likes of west brom and Bournemouth something to think about.Lower expextations.
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 04:09:19 PM
Reporter to Unsworth after the West Ham game " who picked the team tonight?"
Unsworth "Me"
Reporter "Has Sam spoke to any of the players yet"
Unworth "Not as far as I know "
Sams first pres conference
Reporter "Just to clear up any confusion, did you have any involvement in team or tactics for the West Ham game?"
Allardyce "No, Unsy trained team and picked the players and tactics, he kindly let into the changing room after the game so I could congratulate the players "
Not how I remember thay exchange
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 02, 2018, 04:18:27 PM
Not how I remember thay exchange
Well Unsys bit is 100% so what did Sam say ?
Post by: Simon Paul on January 02, 2018, 04:48:31 PM
Not how I remember thay exchange
They're on YouTube. Not watched them since they happened but all videos of pre and post match pressers are there.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 05:04:09 PM
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2018, 05:07:48 PM
I agree. Burnley, for example, have attacking players that most would agree are of an inferior standard to us but they consistently pull out decent performances and results against the better teams.
It's all about the intent and instructions you get sent out with.
More nonsense. We played some decent football yesterday considering our attacking options. Burnley are hardly free scoring but they have had a stable squad and manager for a few years now whereas Allardyce has probably had time for a handful of training sessions if that. People are moving with this agenda thing but this is a perfect example. I honestly don't know what you expect him to achieve in the time frame he's been here and an utterly bizarre squad.
And to all the boring (apologies in advance) idiots on here who keep posting the same moaning shite day in day out, I never wanted Allardyce either. But we've got him. You lads need some internet bricks. What help does anyone think there is in constantly taking pot shots? He's probably not going to be here long term anyway.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 02, 2018, 05:12:41 PM
Not that it really matters but i thought Allardyce said he met the players for 15 mins at FF
I think he said he met Unsworth for 15 minutes during the day of the game, not the players though.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 05:24:16 PM
I think he said he met Unsworth for 15 minutes during the day of the game, not the players though.But ok
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 02, 2018, 05:56:12 PM
More nonsense. We played some decent football yesterday considering our attacking options. Burnley are hardly free scoring but they have had a stable squad and manager for a few years now whereas Allardyce has probably had time for a handful of training sessions if that. People are moving with this agenda thing but this is a perfect example. I honestly don't know what you expect him to achieve in the time frame he's been here and an utterly bizarre squad.
And to all the boring (apologies in advance) idiots on here who keep posting the same moaning shite day in day out, I never wanted Allardyce either. But we've got him. You lads need some internet bricks. What help does anyone think there is in constantly taking pot shots? He's probably not going to be here long term anyway.
Couldn't agree more but what do you think the point of a forum is ? It is just an exchange of views and has no bearing whatsoever on the real world . It is the drunken argument of the age we live in .
Post by: Lxxx on January 02, 2018, 05:59:10 PM
More nonsense. We played some decent football yesterday considering our attacking options. Burnley are hardly free scoring but they have had a stable squad and manager for a few years now whereas Allardyce has probably had time for a handful of training sessions if that. People are moving with this agenda thing but this is a perfect example. I honestly don't know what you expect him to achieve in the time frame he's been here and an utterly bizarre squad.
And to all the boring (apologies in advance) idiots on here who keep posting the same moaning shite day in day out, I never wanted Allardyce either. But we've got him. You lads need some internet bricks. What help does anyone think there is in constantly taking pot shots? He's probably not going to be here long term anyway.
Fair points but I'll still stand by my initial post. It's primarily about the intent and instructions that the players are trained in and go out onto the field with.
Post by: everton1952 on January 02, 2018, 06:41:42 PM
Fair points but I'll still stand by my initial post. It's primarily about the intent and instructions that the players are trained in and go out onto the field with.But do we know what the intent and instructions were that the players took on to the field? Also do we know if the players just failed to carry them out? Allardyce gave the impression that almost nothing that went on after half time was according to his intentions.
Post by: gizzblue on January 02, 2018, 07:09:39 PM
But do we know what the intent and instructions were that the players took on to the field? Also do we know if the players just failed to carry them out? Allardyce gave the impression that almost nothing that went on after half time was according to his intentions.Also never looked up once in his presser....strange that...now I'm not saying he's lying (the agenda police will have me off)
But people who tell porkies don't ever look you in the eye .
Just an observation. ...👍
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 02, 2018, 07:31:51 PM