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Title: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 07:26:07 AM
 
GK: Pickford, Robles, Stekelenburg
Not a fan of Stekelenburg but considering Robles' contract is up in the summer then he has to go in January if we're to get any money for him.

Full Back: Baines, Martina, Kenny, Coleman
Can't see any of them going, especially with the fitness of Baines and Coleman in doubt.

CB: Jagielka, Williams, Keane, Holgate, Funes Mori
Jagielka and Williams are probably the only two possibilities to leave in January. If we get an offer for one of them then it'd probably be wise to accept.

CM: Schneiderlin, Gana, Davies, Besic, McCarthy, Beningime, Klaassen
Besic's time is up, I don't think anyone can contest that.
McCarthy has probably changed opinions with a few slide tackles today but he's fucked us about and is constantly injured. If we get a decent offer then sell him.
Schneiderlin can go if we identify a replacement.
I know Klaassen is nowhere near the team but don't think it's wise to sell him for a big loss after six months. I believe there's a good player there.
Beningime possible loan.


Dreaded number 10s: Rooney, Sigurdsson, Barkley
Who knows what's happening with Barkley.

Wingers: Mirallas, Lookman, Bolasie, Lennon, Vlasic
Mirallas has to go.
Lookman has to go out on loan.


Strikers: Sandro, DCL, Niasse
Sandro just isn't going to work out. We'll still probably make a profit on him if we sell.
Niasse should be surplus to requirements if we get a striker (or two) in during January
.

So that's 30 players in total and in my opinion...

Definitely got to go: Robles, Mirallas, Besic, Sandro
If the right offer comes in: Jagielka/Williams, Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Barkley, Niasse
Out on loan: Baningime, Lookman
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Ramjam on January 02, 2018, 08:22:14 AM
Can’t argue with any of that other than Niasse as he gives us a bit of a wild card option off the bench if required, also his stock I imagine will be quite high in the summer if he’s getting game time here and bagging a few more goals
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 02, 2018, 08:43:57 AM
Don't think Sandro has been given enough of a chance in a side that's performing. No need to sell yet.

Niasse and Mirallas are the only ones I want sold, though there are plenty that I'd listen to offers for. 

Edit: Oh, and Klassen. I realise it goes against my point about Sandro, but get rid. Expensive mistake that is far too lightweight for the English game. Guy's like a wet flannel.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: bluenuck on January 02, 2018, 10:00:05 AM
I'd only disagree with Sandro. I think there's something there.

Also would be worried to take an offer for jags/Williams. I totally get why you would want to, but That would leave us very lean at that position with only 3.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: BlueMaquis on January 02, 2018, 11:09:24 AM
Who we get rid of depends on who we buy.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: bluenuck on January 02, 2018, 11:17:01 AM
Who we get rid of depends on who we buy.

It doesn't matter who or if we buy to get rid of besic, mirallis, and Robles.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 02, 2018, 11:25:32 AM
No need or point in getting rid of Robles, is there?
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: blargins on January 02, 2018, 02:53:38 PM
Robles is off in summer anyway.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 02, 2018, 02:56:00 PM
Robles is off in summer anyway.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on January 02, 2018, 03:13:54 PM
We wont sign two strikers and I would rather Sandro given a run of games than putting Niasse up front against anyone.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Faceatthefence on January 02, 2018, 03:15:36 PM
We get rid of technically poor,the old and infirmed and the mistakes made in the summer....thats perm any 8 from 11.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 02, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
Wait till the summer for everything other than a striker and a left back and make one of those 2 a loan . Not going down and not going any higher . Season is a fucking washout .
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Simon Paul on January 02, 2018, 04:50:25 PM
Allardyce
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2018, 10:31:23 PM
Never Mind Who We Buy in January, Here's the Sex Pistols
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: gizzblue on January 02, 2018, 10:49:53 PM
In no particular order
Mirralas
Besic
Morgs
DCL....loan
Lookman. ...loan
Ross 'already gone'
Klassen. ..loan
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 10:51:57 PM
Allardyce

Bah! Beat me to it by 6 hours
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: therealdunc on January 03, 2018, 01:22:08 AM
to Answer the question honestly, truthfully and with an appetite for ambition - one has to ask which members of the squad could win a league or get into a league winning side?

In all honesty, that’s none of them.

But I would keep Pickford and Holgate as it’s clear they have huge potential

I would also keep Gueye as even thou he is no world beater, we would find it hard to get a replacement.

The rest of the squad IMO would all be up for sale if the right offer came in, the only player anyone could possibly make an argument about is Coleman but there is no guarantee he will return as the same quality full back after such a long injury.

The squad is crap, until people accept this reality and take of the blue tinted specs, they will keep getting themselves wound up and upset.

Title: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 03, 2018, 02:58:26 AM
I'd love us to find a buyer for Schneiderlin and have a real deep lying midfield playmaker lined up to play alongside Gueye

Edit: like Gareth Barry 🤦🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 03, 2018, 02:35:59 PM
to Answer the question honestly, truthfully and with an appetite for ambition - one has to ask which members of the squad could win a league or get into a league winning side?

In all honesty, that’s none of them.

But I would keep Pickford and Holgate as it’s clear they have huge potential

I would also keep Gueye as even thou he is no world beater, we would find it hard to get a replacement.

The rest of the squad IMO would all be up for sale if the right offer came in, the only player anyone could possibly make an argument about is Coleman but there is no guarantee he will return as the same quality full back after such a long injury.

The squad is crap, until people accept this reality and take of the blue tinted specs, they will keep getting themselves wound up and upset.

Agree that the squad isn't great, but equally people should grasp the reality that we aren't going to attract any league winning players let alone a whole squad full
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: therealdunc on January 03, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
Agree that the squad isn't great, but equally people should grasp the reality that we aren't going to attract any league winning players let alone a whole squad full

Half agree

We need to do one of 2 options

1. We throw buckets of money like city and Chelsea did and bridge the quality gap rapidly

2. We buy lots of youngish (under 25) players who are ahowing potential and improvement

Option 2 is very much what Liverpool have done and are now able to attract huge names and add real quality like van dyke as they going the right way

No reason we can’t do the same, but it starts with getting rid of over half the current squad and buying up lots of the potential from the championship, lower premier league and abroad

We need to stop buying players closer to 30 than 20, who have failed at big clubs, are on huge wages and have less re-sale value aka the likes of Keane, Sigurdsson, Schniderlin, Rooney, etc

Of course the odd bit of experience is needed, but this should be no more than one or two.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: ally2 on January 03, 2018, 04:57:34 PM
Buy everyone. Sell everyone. Sack everyone.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2018, 05:10:14 PM
Buy everyone. Sell everyone. Sack everyone.

Seems to be the model the new board are going for.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Redartin on January 03, 2018, 07:05:35 PM
https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=93900.30

There are truly some experts amongst us.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: blue1948 on January 03, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
to Answer the question honestly, truthfully and with an appetite for ambition - one has to ask which members of the squad could win a league or get into a league winning side?

In all honesty, that’s none of them.

But I would keep Pickford and Holgate as it’s clear they have huge potential

I would also keep Gueye as even thou he is no world beater, we would find it hard to get a replacement.

The rest of the squad IMO would all be up for sale if the right offer came in, the only player anyone could possibly make an argument about is Coleman but there is no guarantee he will return as the same quality full back after such a long injury.

The squad is crap, until people accept this reality and take of the blue tinted specs, they will keep getting themselves wound up and upset.


The only one to keep is someone who we have no guarantee will ever play again ! Then bin JJK .Stay off the pop for ***'* sake
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 03, 2018, 08:19:53 PM
January probably not the time to do it, because the squad is quite thin as it is.

But in the summer, it'd be easier to talk about the players we should keep. It's time to get rid of the dead wood.

Keep Pickford, Coleman, Kenny, Keane, Holgate, Gueye, Rooney, Vlasic, Bolasie, Lookman, Sigurdsson, Dowell.
Be happy to keep Sandro, Klaassen, Niasse, Mori, and DCL, too.

The rest, constantly injured or simply not good enough should be let go.


Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: dangermouse on January 03, 2018, 08:57:11 PM
Id only sell if you could say without a doubt, after this window they wont play again.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: kramer0 on January 03, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
I think our best side looks something like this. Plausible back-ups in parentheses.

GK: Pickford (Robles, Stekelenburg)
RB: Kenny (Coleman starts when fit)
CB: Holgate (Keane)
CB: Williams (Jagielka)
LB: Martina (Baines starts when fit)
DM: Gana (Schneiderlin, Baningime)
CM: Davies (McCarthy)
CM: Rooney (Barkley if he ever plays again)
LM: Bolasie (Sigurdsson)
CF: Calvert-Lewin (Niasse)
RM: Lennon (Vlasic, Lookman)

I think we can safely get rid of the following:

Mirallas - Should never have been re-signed.
Besic - Needs too much work, won't see enough games to get to an appropriate level.
Robles or Stekelenburg - Not that anybody is interested.

If we get a significant offer, I think we should sell:

Klaassen - I don't see a role for him. He does some clever things in the final third but he's too passive overall. Our midfield struggles during build-ups and I don't think we have room for someone who doesn't really show for the ball.
Schneiderlin - It would be a slight risk w/r/t squad depth but if some PL club is willing to pay good money for a "proven" player, we should take it and run. I was a fan of his in the past but he looks awkward in every configuration we've seen this season.
Sandro - I don't think he's actually a centre forward (https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/ (https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/)), I don't think Allardyce knows what to do with him, and I don't think he's settled in England at all. There's no shame in making a profit, even though there might be a good player in there.

And we should probably loan Lookman if there's a mid-table Championship club willing to let him play through his mistakes.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Toddacelli on January 04, 2018, 03:28:43 AM
I think our best side looks something like this. Plausible back-ups in parentheses.

GK: Pickford (Robles, Stekelenburg)
RB: Kenny (Coleman starts when fit)
CB: Holgate (Keane)
CB: Williams (Jagielka)
LB: Martina (Baines starts when fit)
DM: Gana (Schneiderlin, Baningime)
CM: Davies (McCarthy)
CM: Rooney (Barkley if he ever plays again)
LM: Bolasie (Sigurdsson)
CF: Calvert-Lewin (Niasse)
RM: Lennon (Vlasic, Lookman)

I think we can safely get rid of the following:

Mirallas - Should never have been re-signed.
Besic - Needs too much work, won't see enough games to get to an appropriate level.
Robles or Stekelenburg - Not that anybody is interested.

If we get a significant offer, I think we should sell:

Klaassen - I don't see a role for him. He does some clever things in the final third but he's too passive overall. Our midfield struggles during build-ups and I don't think we have room for someone who doesn't really show for the ball.
Schneiderlin - It would be a slight risk w/r/t squad depth but if some PL club is willing to pay good money for a "proven" player, we should take it and run. I was a fan of his in the past but he looks awkward in every configuration we've seen this season.
Sandro - I don't think he's actually a centre forward (https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/ (https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/)), I don't think Allardyce knows what to do with him, and I don't think he's settled in England at all. There's no shame in making a profit, even though there might be a good player in there.

And we should probably loan Lookman if there's a mid-table Championship club willing to let him play through his mistakes.


Agree with most of that.

I think we can safely get rid of the following:

Mirallas - Should never have been re-signed. - Yep - that was a horrendous piece of business and the only explanation was that we wanted to make him more expensive when we sold him.
Besic - Needs too much work, won't see enough games to get to an appropriate level. - This. Even though it guts me to say it  :'(
Robles or Stekelenburg - Not that anybody is interested.

If we get a significant offer, I think we should sell:


Schneiderlin - Agreed, would rather play Baningime.

Sandro - Disagree. There is still time for this to pan out. The only thing worse than adapting to the Premier League from the La Liga is trying to do it in rare, 10-minute sub appearances, in a totally disjointed side playing shit football.

Klaassen - captain of Europa finalists Ajax in a very young side. Again - still time for this to pan out, but what worries me most is the players around him. Think he would be boss next to a monster like Viera or Yaya Toure but those players are so rare and sought after that unless we've got one coming through the ranks already...


And we should probably loan Lookman if there's a mid-table Championship club willing to let him play through his mistakes. I would say the same of Baningime if we don't shift Schneiderlin this window.

And let's not forget that there will likely be another 3 additions to the squad in the summer - Onyekuru, Dowell and Garbutt.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Lxxx on January 06, 2018, 05:57:58 PM
I'd move all our central midfielders on apart from Gueye and Davies. Besic, Schneiderlin and McCarthy are all nowhere near the standard we need for actually passing a football and Klaassan clearly isn't doing anything in either games or training to justify being here. If we could get Ł50m for that lot that should be able to buy us a couple of midfielders who can put their foot on the ball in the middle of the park and move the football around so we have some attacking intent again.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: sixymack on January 06, 2018, 06:10:36 PM
 
GK: Pickford, Robles, Stekelenburg
Not a fan of Stekelenburg but considering Robles' contract is up in the summer then he has to go in January if we're to get any money for him.

Full Back: Baines, Martina, Kenny, Coleman
Can't see any of them going, especially with the fitness of Baines and Coleman in doubt.

CB: Jagielka, Williams, Keane, Holgate, Funes Mori
Jagielka and Williams are probably the only two possibilities to leave in January. If we get an offer for one of them then it'd probably be wise to accept.

CM: Schneiderlin, Gana, Davies, Besic, McCarthy, Beningime, Klaassen
Besic's time is up, I don't think anyone can contest that.
McCarthy has probably changed opinions with a few slide tackles today but he's fucked us about and is constantly injured. If we get a decent offer then sell him.
Schneiderlin can go if we identify a replacement.
I know Klaassen is nowhere near the team but don't think it's wise to sell him for a big loss after six months. I believe there's a good player there.
Beningime possible loan.


Dreaded number 10s: Rooney, Sigurdsson, Barkley
Who knows what's happening with Barkley.

Wingers: Mirallas, Lookman, Bolasie, Lennon, Vlasic
Mirallas has to go.
Lookman has to go out on loan.


Strikers: Sandro, DCL, Niasse
Sandro just isn't going to work out. We'll still probably make a profit on him if we sell.
Niasse should be surplus to requirements if we get a striker (or two) in during January
.

So that's 30 players in total and in my opinion...

Definitely got to go: Robles, Mirallas, Besic, Sandro
If the right offer comes in: Jagielka/Williams, Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Barkley, Niasse
Out on loan: Baningime, Lookman


Great post.  Mirallas and Besic immediately come to mind.  Kev should have been moved on a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Confucius on January 09, 2018, 03:31:36 AM
Article on the BBC saying Niasse, Klassen and Sandro possibly on their way out.
Title: Re: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 03:33:46 AM
Klassen deserves another chance im my opinion
Title: Re: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: ally2 on January 09, 2018, 03:37:31 AM
Klassen deserves another chance im my opinion

He gets a chance every day in training, just like everyone else.  It's not like his appearance in the first team is a snapshot of everything he's ever been as a footballer.  I like him too but if he was showing it he'd be in.
Title: Re: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Cassius on January 09, 2018, 03:39:20 AM
Unless we're getting in replacements, we shouldn't be getting rid of any of these three in Jan, regardless of how many minutes or chances they've had.
Title: Re: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: ally2 on January 09, 2018, 03:40:47 AM
Unless we're getting in replacements, we shouldn't be getting rid of any of these three in Jan, regardless of how many minutes or chances they've had.

OK but we've clearly got a huge surplus of players.  If Klassen or Barkley hadn't been here the last 3 months then no-one would have known
Title: Re: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: brap2 on January 09, 2018, 03:42:35 AM
Klassen deserves another chance im my opinion

Yeah if we could get a player out of him then it would save us an awful lot of money
Title: Re: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: D15TIN on January 09, 2018, 03:42:57 AM
He gets a chance every day in training, just like everyone else.  It's not like his appearance in the first team is a snapshot of everything he's ever been as a footballer.  I like him too but if he was showing it he'd be in.
Exactly, he must have set a club record for the amount of times subbed at half time. He's crap, clearly. Wouldn't bother looking at the dutch league again for a while.
Title: Re: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Cassius on January 09, 2018, 03:46:46 AM
OK but we've clearly got a huge surplus of players.  If Klassen or Barkley hadn't been here the last 3 months then no-one would have known

Agreed, but only in the midfield.

What happens if Cenk doesn't settle or DCL gets burnt out/injured? Selling Niasse and Sandro when we're already still short on experience and quality up front would be madness.
Title: Re: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 04:00:18 AM
Must have replacements lined up
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Shogun on January 09, 2018, 04:27:26 AM
Not sure how anyone can be confident we have a plan after previous windows
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: TheRam on January 09, 2018, 05:21:43 AM
Has Tarashaj died?

Or have I just missed him being sold?
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 09, 2018, 05:31:01 AM
Klassen deserves another chance im my opinion

He needs to be kept in the gym and fed nothing but steak for the next 6 months.
Title: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Confucius on January 09, 2018, 05:35:52 AM
He needs to be kept in the gym and fed nothing but steak for the next 6 months.

There are better ways to do what you thinking than sacrificing all those cows.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 09, 2018, 05:36:24 AM
There are better ways to what you thinking than sacrificing all those cows.

What?
Title: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Confucius on January 09, 2018, 05:39:16 AM
What?

Creatine and protein powder and lots of water.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 09, 2018, 05:41:24 AM
Creatine and protein powder and lots of water.

Ah ok. Makes more sense after the edit ;)
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: brap2 on January 09, 2018, 05:44:02 AM
Yeah if we could get a player out of him then it would save us an awful lot of money

Just gone back through the thread and read @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) ‘s assessment - too passive, not enough in build up, not enough showing for the ball - as he generally is, he’s absolutely correct. Nothing new to anyone who looked into him at all, but the fact is we need a functioning midfield soon and that means players who demand touches of the ball in the middle of the park.

Could really do with Davies turning up at some point this year like.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Redartin on January 09, 2018, 05:51:09 AM
Klassen deserves another chance im my opinion

In all honesty there is not a lot you can do as a midfielder when the backs and keeper are hoofing the ball over your head to the forwards.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 09, 2018, 07:18:37 AM
Has Tarashaj died?

Or have I just missed him being sold?
Think he has a bad injury doesn't he? Got it out on loan.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 09, 2018, 07:22:01 AM
Think he has a bad injury doesn't he? Got it out on loan.

Was supposed to be back early October... maybe his recovery is taking longer than expected.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Redartin on January 09, 2018, 02:08:03 PM
Was supposed to be back early October... maybe his recovery is taking longer than expected.

All sounds a bit Barkleyesk
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 02:22:45 PM
He gets a chance every day in training, just like everyone else.  It's not like his appearance in the first team is a snapshot of everything he's ever been as a footballer.  I like him too but if he was showing it he'd be in.

In that case, I hope we kept the receipt for him
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 09, 2018, 02:30:53 PM
I'd loan out Klaassen and Sandro to another Prem team if anyone would be interested in them for 6 months.....

Hopefully they'd get some more game time and get a bit more used to the league
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Thomas on January 10, 2018, 08:51:40 AM
Schenderlin would be first out the door for me. Possibly McCarthy as well. Dont like either of them. Flatter to deceive.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: bogie on January 11, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11873/11203400/torino-interested-in-evertons-muhamed-besic

Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Ramjam on January 13, 2018, 03:41:18 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11873/11203400/torino-interested-in-evertons-muhamed-besic

Sell, sell, sell
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 13, 2018, 06:18:04 PM
Lennon to Burnley?
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 13, 2018, 07:45:34 PM
Allardyce has said klaasen wants to fight for his place but isn't giving as much as the other lads.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 13, 2018, 08:38:06 PM
Allardyce has said klaasen wants to fight for his place but isn't giving as much as the other lads.
Sam Allardyce on Davy Klaassen: “The lad is prepared to fight for his place, but in all the other players, there seems to be more coming from them. As a person and lad, he’s a terrific young man, but at the moment, there’s not a place in the side for him.” (Source: Telegraph)
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 13, 2018, 09:00:24 PM
He’s a neat and tidy kind of player; I’m not sure how that translates in training. As Sam alluded to - if the other players are working their bollocks off and Klaassen is going
through the motions, then you give the others game time - regardless of talent. That’s a fundamental of management; rewarding hard work. But that’s me reading between the lines and boarding on conjecture.

Because he was captain at Ajax we assume he’s got something about him but he might’ve got that gig to make him stick around a bit longer or he’d ‘earned it’ as he’d come through the ranks and understood the Ajax philosophy. He doesn’t appear to have obvious captain qualities.

He’s a good footballer but he just seems a bit ‘meh’ - weak, slow and too nice. It’s a very naive signing in hindsight - how many times have we seen good footballers struggle in a league where physicality is paramount?
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Major Clanger on January 13, 2018, 09:26:52 PM
Sam Allardyce on Davy Klaassen: “The lad is prepared to fight for his place, but in all the other players, there seems to be more coming from them. As a person and lad, he’s a terrific young man, but at the moment, there’s not a place in the side for him.” (Source: Telegraph)

I'll translate it: "He's doing his best but he's a bit shit."
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Ravardo on January 14, 2018, 07:59:14 AM
The mirror are saying david moyes wants tom davies  http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-ham-boss-david-moyes-11848002
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Ramjam on January 14, 2018, 10:18:16 AM
The mirror are saying david moyes wants tom davies  http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-ham-boss-david-moyes-11848002

I’ll tell you what, we’re in a lot of fuckin troubled. If our club has decided this is a positive move for us we have a load of delusional ass holes running the show. We would get nowhere near his true value just like Barkley, every other club starting to pull our pants down not just the big boys anymore, West Ham for Christ sake.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Everton Mint on January 16, 2018, 06:27:24 PM
Walcott 29 in March
Rooney 33 this year
Jagielka 36 this year
Williams 34 this year
Sigurđsson 29 this year
Bolasie 29 this year
Schneiderlin 29 this year
Baines 34 this year
Coleman 30 this year
Gueye 29 this year
Martina 29 this year

Nil Satis Nisi OAP
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: kramer0 on January 16, 2018, 06:45:40 PM
Walcott 29 in March
Rooney 33 this year
Jagielka 36 this year
Williams 34 this year
Sigurđsson 29 this year
Bolasie 29 this year
Schneiderlin 29 this year
Baines 34 this year
Coleman 30 this year
Gueye 29 this year
Martina 29 this year

Yikes. That is a genuine problem.

If you think this group is uninspiring now, wait until all those soon to be 29 year olds start to decline. Good luck shifting those wages out.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Trowel on January 16, 2018, 08:10:35 PM
Read a few Burnley fans saying Lennon may go their way once the Walcott deal is done.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: everton1952 on January 16, 2018, 08:20:52 PM
Read a few Burnley fans saying Lennon may go their way once the Walcott deal is done.
Dyche would not touch him with a barge pole. He is best suited to a lower league. It would be great if your rumour came off though.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Everton Mint on January 17, 2018, 12:45:52 AM
So there's all those old players...

Then there's the kids, Kenny, DCL, Davies etc. up to aged, say 23.

So who is in their prime, aged 24-28 ?

Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Shogun on January 17, 2018, 01:06:10 AM
So there's all those old players...

Then there's the kids, Kenny, DCL, Davies etc. up to aged, say 23.

So who is in their prime, aged 24-28 ?



Schneiderlin lolol
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 01:27:35 AM
I'll translate it: "He's doing his best but he's a bit shit."

“Fucker just won’t hoof it the little shit”
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 01:28:14 AM
Dyche would not touch him with a barge pole. He is best suited to a lower league. It would be great if your rumour came off though.

Been knocking about the Burnley rumour mill for weeks that one.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: Lxxx on January 17, 2018, 01:34:30 AM
Walcott 29 in March
Rooney 33 this year
Jagielka 36 this year
Williams 34 this year
Sigurđsson 29 this year
Bolasie 29 this year
Schneiderlin 29 this year
Baines 34 this year
Coleman 30 this year
Gueye 29 this year
Martina 29 this year

Nil Satis Nisi OAP

I know that list looks scary but it isn't really.

Walcott 29 in March - Still got 2-3 years in him
Rooney 33 this year - Contract up end of next season
Jagielka 36 this year - Will be off in the summer
Williams 34 this year - Will probably be off in the summer, but contract up the year after anyway
Sigurđsson 29 this year - Has got the brain to have another 3-4 years if moved inside and back
Bolasie 29 this year - Not too sure he'll ever reach his old level, certainly won't get any better
Schneiderlin 29 this year - Ship him out in the summer, may have to bung him a few quid
Baines 34 this year - Will be a second choice left back from next season. We hope.
Coleman 30 this year - Similar to Bolasie.
Gueye 29 this year - Will need to be replaced in time but still a decent member of the squad
Martina 29 this year - On low wages, will be easy to help him on his way

You need some experience in a squad and that list will start to wither away within 18 months. Granted there is little to no resale value in it but Moshiri keeps telling us we have deep pockets so....
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 17, 2018, 02:00:04 AM
So there's all those old players...

Then there's the kids, Kenny, DCL, Davies etc. up to aged, say 23.

So who is in their prime, aged 24-28 ?
Klassen (24) Sandro (22) and Keane (25) if they’d all settled...

Keane will come good though.
Title: Re: Nevermind who we buy in January, who do we get rid of?
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 17, 2018, 07:05:25 AM
Kurt Cobain would do a better job than most of the shite thats been brought in.