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Title: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Shogun on January 06, 2018, 11:05:24 PM
So has their been any word from the club on whether or not theyíre going to report this?

Been established that we canít see from the tv angle what was said thanks to JJKís head but clearly Holgate says to Schneiderlin what was said.

I thought the spineless refereeing suggested something may have been said. Holgate clearly a yellow card for pushing him into the crowd and a crowd melee usually results in some cards as well but he went over to the fourth official and did nothing?

Perhaps heíll put something in his match report and because no action was taken then the footballing authorities will take a look at the whole situation?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2018, 11:11:31 PM
So has their been any word from the club on whether or not they're going to report this?

Been established that we can't see from the tv angle what was said thanks to JJK's head but clearly Holgate says to Schneiderlin what was said.

I thought the spineless refereeing suggested something may have been said. Holgate clearly a yellow card for pushing him into the crowd and a crowd melee usually results in some cards as well but he went over to the fourth official and did nothing?

Perhaps he'll put something in his match report and because no action was taken then the footballing authorities will take a look at the whole situation?
It has already been added to the fans forum agenda for our next meeting if it hasn't been dealt with.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: GLewis on January 06, 2018, 11:11:43 PM
So has their been any word from the club on whether or not theyíre going to report this?

Been established that we canít see from the tv angle what was said thanks to JJKís head but clearly Holgate says to Schneiderlin what was said.

I thought the spineless refereeing suggested something may have been said. Holgate clearly a yellow card for pushing him into the crowd and a crowd melee usually results in some cards as well but he went over to the fourth official and did nothing?

Perhaps heíll put something in his match report and because no action was taken then the footballing authorities will take a look at the whole situation?

Yes he supposedly has put the incident in his match report.

Also he didnít even speak to Firmino for charging back over - even after having to physically stop him from confronting Holgate.

Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 06, 2018, 11:11:45 PM
Wonder what the ref said to the 4th official? Maybe picked something up on their headsets
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ridge on January 06, 2018, 11:20:34 PM
Ref detailed complaint to 4th official, but didn't take action.

But ref was close enough that mic will have picked it up. Be very surprised if there isn't a ban
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2018, 11:20:58 PM
No way this will end well for Holgate
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Brownie20 on January 06, 2018, 11:26:21 PM
No way this will end well for Holgate

They'll go back to his school report and see that he once got an F in his history mock about Slavery and the Middle Passage and claim he knows nothing about racism
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: gizzblue on January 06, 2018, 11:29:32 PM
Yeah and we all remember the red shite take on the Suarez biting stuff. ..
Players kept thrusting their limbs into suarez's mouth .
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on January 06, 2018, 11:31:52 PM
They'll go back to his school report and see that he once got an F in his history mock about Slavery and the Middle Passage and claim he knows nothing about racism

You laugh but theyíve made him delete his Twitter for homophobic tweets from when he was aba 15, calling his mate a batty boy.

Would personally be very surprised if he said something racist, but said when I was watching it live thatís cleaely what Holgate thinks.

Maybe heís misheard puta but it does come after filho de puta.

Hopefully just a misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Brownie20 on January 06, 2018, 11:33:10 PM
You laugh but theyíve made him delete his Twitter for homophobic tweets from when he was aba 15, calling his mate a batty boy.

Would personally be very surprised if he said something racist, but said when I was watching it live thatís cleaely what Holgate thinks.

Maybe heís misheard puta but it does come after filho de puta.

Hopefully just a misunderstanding.

I know, that's why I said it.

Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Simon Paul on January 06, 2018, 11:33:53 PM
Ref says he didn't hear it but has to be seen to act on complaint

Speaks to fourth official who reminds him that if he books one he has to book the other - or worse - and that the fa would see that as the end of matters

Reckon he believes Holgate but wants further action taken and couldn't send Holgate off or book him for the incident where he ended up being the victim

Actually think that he played it well in hindsight and that Bobby the Racist will get hauled over the coals

That's my hope of what happened anyway
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: TheRam on January 06, 2018, 11:41:07 PM
You laugh but theyíve made him delete his Twitter for homophobic tweets from when he was aba 15, calling his mate a batty boy.

Would personally be very surprised if he said something racist, but said when I was watching it live thatís cleaely what Holgate thinks.

Maybe heís misheard puta but it does come after filho de puta.

Hopefully just a misunderstanding.

He's was told by the police to delete it apparently.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Simon Paul on January 06, 2018, 11:55:28 PM
He's was told by the police to delete it apparently.

Saves them having to arrest the people threatening him and his family I suppose
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 06, 2018, 11:55:35 PM
Reckon Kopites will be pushing for violent conduct off the ball.

The ref, in not cautioning Holgates at the time leaves it open for retrospective punishment by FA committee. (Presumably staffed by ex kopite players)
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Simon Paul on January 07, 2018, 12:01:05 AM
Reckon Kopites will be pushing for violent conduct off the ball.

The ref, in not cautioning Holgates at the time leaves it open for retrospective punishment by FA committee. (Presumably staffed by ex kopite players)

No doubt Danny Murphy is on it
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: therealdunc on January 07, 2018, 12:02:14 AM
He's was told by the police to delete it apparently.

What an awful country we live in when people are told to delete what they wrote when they where a child by the police.

The intolerance in this country is horrible to see
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 07, 2018, 12:08:53 AM
https://twitter.com/MJC_EFC/status/949452425420787712
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on January 07, 2018, 02:43:25 AM
Fucking lovely club aren't they.

No chance in hell that they will swallow another accusation of racism, and no way will the FA or the EPL allow them to because it will hurt all three precious brands.

Guaranteed that all three (LFC, FA, and EPL) will go after Holgate with retrospective action for the push, otherwise it is a virtual admittal of guilt to let him off.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: BlueForYou on January 07, 2018, 02:51:52 AM
Hate derbies but gotta tell ya -

Can't wait for Goodison!
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ross on January 07, 2018, 02:55:03 AM

Given all the support theyíve had off Everton over the years I expect theyíll be very magnanimous over this and Firmino will be condemned by all their fans....

Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 07, 2018, 03:45:15 AM
They are like a cult or trump supporters. Just no logic or reason to their behaviour. Right down in the gutter they will go to defend the indefensible
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 07, 2018, 04:32:50 AM
How convenient

https://twitter.com/skysports_bryan/status/949759317959479297
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ravardo on January 07, 2018, 04:36:51 AM
The mirror are saying their lip reader only picks up what are you doing you crazy son of a bitch...no nigger
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Shogun on January 07, 2018, 04:38:44 AM
The mirror are saying their lip reader only picks up what are you doing you crazy son of a bitch...no nigger

Apart from Kopites still going on about the puta bit, itís incredibly obvious that what Holgate reacts to is after that and isnít caught on camera due to Kennyís head.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 07, 2018, 04:40:29 AM
Apart from Kopites still going on about the puta bit, itís incredibly obvious that what Holgate reacts to is after that and isnít caught on camera due to Kennyís head.

This
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ridge on January 07, 2018, 04:40:34 AM
Fucking shysters.

So we have an audio of the racism, but it's not allowed to be used for evidence as its a cup game.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 07, 2018, 04:50:48 AM
The mirror are saying their lip reader only picks up what are you doing you crazy son of a bitch...no nigger

i only got one word from Firminos lips and that was 'Puta'. which isnt too bad in general terms, but the way Holgate went off on one, i assumed alot more was said, wonder if Mason knows Spanish.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: dchans on January 07, 2018, 05:01:18 AM
i only got one word from Firminos lips and that was 'Puta'. which isnt too bad in general terms, but the way Holgate went off on one, i assumed alot more was said, wonder if Mason knows Spanish.

Which wouldn't help as Firmino is Brazilian and they speak Portuguese
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: MexicanToffee on January 07, 2018, 05:19:59 AM
Which wouldn't help as Firmino is Brazilian and they speak Portuguese

They use puta in Brazil as well as Spanish speaking countries.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 07, 2018, 05:27:00 AM

They use puta in Brazil as well as Spanish speaking countries.

Ye Ok, next thing you'll be telling me they speak Spanish in Mexico and not Mexicanese.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 07, 2018, 05:33:27 AM
Which wouldn't help as Firmino is Brazilian and they speak Portuguese

Ye Ok, next thing you'll be telling me they speak Spanish in Mexico and not Mexicanese.


i thought Puta was pretty commonly known world wide.. lol at saying he wouldnt know as he speaks Portuguese... just variants and dialects everything is pretty much basic and understandable to either speaker.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: MexicanToffee on January 07, 2018, 10:51:12 AM

i thought Puta was pretty commonly known world wide.. lol at saying he wouldnt know as he speaks Portuguese... just variants and dialects everything is pretty much basic and understandable to either speaker.
Agreed. Invective is all about intonation and facial expression. When someone is calling you a cnut in whatever language you understand instantly.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Brownie20 on January 07, 2018, 06:23:00 PM
I've seen the first 'Holgate should be sued for bringing the name of their great club into disrepute.' They do that enough themselves
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Toffee1 on January 07, 2018, 06:42:14 PM
I've seen the first 'Holgate should be sued for bringing the name of their great club into disrepute.' They do that enough themselves

Wonder if they will be wearing t-shirts before the next game in solidarity with their maligned little cherub.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on January 07, 2018, 07:45:21 PM
I've seen the first 'Holgate should be sued for bringing the name of their great club into disrepute.' They do that enough themselves

Wheat is the least we could do as grateful neighbours, is perhaps we print the t-shirts...
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 08, 2018, 03:28:39 AM
https://twitter.com/MerseyPolice/status/950072551480406016

The comments
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: cantoffee on January 08, 2018, 04:01:04 AM
Some really pathetic things being said. Football really can bring out the worst in people, somehow that seems to happen with Liverpool supporters more than anyone.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 08, 2018, 04:05:26 AM
https://twitter.com/MerseyPolice/status/950072551480406016

The comments
Cretins
Cretins everywhere
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 08, 2018, 04:07:42 AM
Uneducated grown ups spouting shite, embarrassing, never seen it this bad, literally can't win regardless of what was said, very sad. A lot of them are playing the Hillsborough card now, they can't stoop any lower.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2018, 04:10:59 AM
Majority of those dickheads aren't proper fans.

Mostly 15 year old virgins who's main aim in life is to get a tweet to 'bang'

Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Brownie20 on January 08, 2018, 04:12:01 AM
Uneducated grown ups spouting shite, embarrassing, never seen it this bad, literally can't win regardless of what was said, very sad. A lot of them are playing the Hillsborough card now, they can't stoop any lower.

Seen a lot of that today - mostly from Liverpool fans not from the area. I don't think any sane person could question our support to them over Hillsborough. People seem to forget that Everton fans lost family members too in that
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 08, 2018, 04:30:53 AM
Seen a lot of that today - mostly from Liverpool fans not from the area. I don't think any sane person could question our support to them over Hillsborough. People seem to forget that Everton fans lost family members too in that

Spot on
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 08, 2018, 05:21:17 AM
Just had an argument in the pub

Is it racist if a black lad calls a black lad the n word and the black lad called it is offended?

I said it is, apparently I'm insane
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2018, 06:10:27 AM
Just had an argument in the pub

Is it racist if a black lad calls a black lad the n word and the black lad called it is offended?

I said it is, apparently I'm insane

I think it's actually intent. If it's meant as an insult then it's racist. Personally I don't think blacking up is racist if it's hero worship. You see stories about kids who've gone as their black heroes for fancy dress. I know the history of blacking up but dressing as your hero isn't the same thing.

I think intent is everything. Though if someone is offended then you should do you best to stop offending them even if there was no intent
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 06:29:19 AM
Just had an argument in the pub

Is it racist if a black lad calls a black lad the n word and the black lad called it is offended?

I said it is, apparently I'm insane

No, I don't think it is, it was likely not meant as an insult, sounds like just a misjudgsment of the situation, he might be used to using the word amongst other black mates and just thought it was ok.

Once the other lad says he uncomfortable with it then he should stop calling him it.
He's entitled to be offended, but so is everybody for anything.

Just because he's offended doesn't mean he can stop the lad saying it to anyone else.

Personally I don't think blacking up is racist if it's hero worship.


It is racist, but it doesn't necessarily mean the person who's done is a racist.
Doing it 1 time can be put down to stupidness and naivety, more than once (especially after being told your a stupid twat the first time) then the person is a racist.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 08, 2018, 02:30:36 PM
More have jumped on the hillsborough band wagon, Robbie Fowler as well apparently

You know what, I was hoping that Firmino didn't say anything racist to Holgate, thinking that whatever was said was lost in translation somewhere, but now I hope he did say it and I hope the FA have proof and throw the book at him and that fucking club.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 08, 2018, 02:57:44 PM
No lads, @Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) is 100% correct here and any deviation from his opinion is definitely incorrect.

"intent" is irrelevant. If i think it's ok to call someone a pikey because it seems to be what is said amongst my peers and the someone who i've called it takes offence (because they're a romany gypsy or a traveller) then yes, it's fucking racist.
the colour of MY skin is irrelevant.

It is racist if:
- The person saying it intends it to be racist.
- The person hearing it things it's racist.
- A random fucking person walking past hears it & thinks it's racist regardless of what the 2 people having the conversation thinks.

The current backlash of "just because you're offended doesn't mean you are right" is correct. But that doesn't apply to being able to directly insult somebody about something they have no direct control.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 08, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
Forgive my raging ignorance, but Firmino is hispanic right? Latino? I read an article a while back stating the violence between hispanics and black people, so there is a difference there.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 03:26:10 PM
No lads, @Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) is 100% correct here and any deviation from his opinion is definitely incorrect.

"intent" is irrelevant. If i think it's ok to call someone a pikey because it seems to be what is said amongst my peers and the someone who i've called it takes offence (because they're a romany gypsy or a traveller) then yes, it's fucking racist.
the colour of MY skin is irrelevant.

It is racist if:
- The person saying it intends it to be racist.
- The person hearing it things it's racist.
- A random fucking person walking past hears it & thinks it's racist regardless of what the 2 people having the conversation thinks.

The current backlash of "just because you're offended doesn't mean you are right" is correct. But that doesn't apply to being able to directly insult somebody about something they have no direct control.

It's not racist as it wasn't meant as an insult and he's the same skin colour as the guy saying it. By the sound of it he's used it in the same way as people use 'brother' or 'mate', he's just misjudged the other guys thoughts on it. Ridiculous to even suggest it's racist in that context.

The history of the word and the reasons why the majority of black people in western society feel it's ok to use it amongst another each other tells you enough. Its completely and utterly different to your 'pikey' argument.


Edit: all this is assuming it's in the above context. If a black lad called another lad the N word as an insult, then ye, it's racist.

For some reason I thought the first scenario actually happened in the pub in front of Jimmy (bit late when I first read it)
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 08, 2018, 03:29:43 PM
Forgive my raging ignorance, but Firmino is hispanic right? Latino? I read an article a while back stating the violence between hispanics and black people, so there is a difference there.

oh, it's a massive difference. It's raging racisim to think that because they're both "not white" then they're basically the same and can't be racist towards each other.
One is latino (not Hispanic, that term excludes Brazil) one is British of mixed English & afro-caribbean descent.
It's as different as an Inuit & Korean are.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 08, 2018, 03:32:31 PM
It's not racist as it wasn't meant as an insult and he's the same skin colour as the guy saying it. By the sound of it he's used it in the same way as people use 'brother' or 'mate', he's just misjudged the other guys thoughts on it. Ridiculous to even suggest it's racist in that context.

The history of the word and the reasons why the majority of black people in western society feel it's ok to use it amongst another each other tells you enough. Its completely and utterly different to your 'pikey' argument.


No mate, both legally and morally you're just wrong.
Listen, if your argument involves the phrase "he's the same skin colour", just assume that your logic is off somewhere.

The intent of the speaker isn't relevant. If i called a Spurs supporter a yid, then i'm a massive bellend and regardless of "thats the name for Spurs supoorters, i didn't mean to insult you" it doesn't change the fact i'd be a dickhead.
Even if i was Jewish, it would still mark me as a bellend
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 08, 2018, 03:32:51 PM
oh, it's a massive difference. It's raging racisim to think that because they're both "not white" then they're basically the same and can't be racist towards each other.
One is latino (not Hispanic, that term excludes Brazil) one is British of mixed English & afro-caribbean descent.
It's as different as an Inuit & Korean are.

Thats what i'm saying yeah, its not one black guy calling another black guy the N word. Which is what alot of people are saying (not necessarily on here)
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 08, 2018, 03:35:55 PM
Going to let the actual law have the last word on this:



A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence ifó
            (a) they intend thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
            (b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.


You are only focusing on (a) here. But (b) is important. It's racist speech if anybody who is NOT the speaker (because they're covered in (a)) feels like it is racist.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 03:36:50 PM
No mate, both legally and morally you're just wrong.
Listen, if your argument involves the phrase "he's the same skin colour", just assume that your logic is off somewhere.

The intent of the speaker isn't relevant. If i called a Spurs supporter a yid, then i'm a massive bellend and regardless of "thats the name for Spurs supoorters, i didn't mean to insult you" it doesn't change the fact i'd be a dickhead.
Even if i was Jewish, it would still mark me as a bellend

It's particular to that word and the history around it, I don't know any single black person who would think it's racist to be called a N word by another black person if it was used in a friendly or endearing way.

Someone could take offence and might think they're a dick for thinking they were close enough to allow it (as you wouldn't usually just say it to a stranger, not in the UK anyway), but being a dick doesn't means it's racist.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 04:03:57 PM
Going to let the actual law have the last word on this:



A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence ifó
            (a) they intend thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
            (b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.


You are only focusing on (a) here. But (b) is important. It's racist speech if anybody who is NOT the speaker (because they're covered in (a)) feels like it is racist.



Again, if a black guy walks up to another black guy and uses the N word in an endearing or friendly way "hows things N..." or uses it in conversation somewhere, then he isn't guilty of either A or B, as it's near enough globally recognised as something that it fine amongst black people.

He hasn't intended to stir up racial hatred, nor do the circumstances make it likely that it will be.

Completely different to a non black person saying it.

The argument that black  people shouldn't say the N word to each other sounds all a bit Ron Atkinson.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 08, 2018, 04:05:41 PM
"near enough globally recognised as something that it fine amongst black people."

 :-\
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 04:13:37 PM
"near enough globally recognised as something that it fine amongst black people."

 :-\

It is, it's usually non black people that seem to have an issue with it. As I've said before my mother is mixed race, my grandad is black, if the word was used to them in that instance they wouldn't think it was racist, as it's obvious the person saying is thinking he's just being friendly. They would probably think he's a dick, as it's mostly used amongst young men, not old men and women, but not racist.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 08, 2018, 04:17:53 PM
I think its pretty clear that if Firmino said something racist, it wasn't in a friendly way. The shite the reds have come out with over the last few days is moronic, they're all singing from the same hymn sheet, and that is "How can he be racist when they're the same colour" lads in work said that this morning, so basically they're saying its ok to call someone a racial slur if you have the same skin tone, its just banter.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2018, 04:20:34 PM
How long is a ban for racism?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 04:27:38 PM
I think its pretty clear that if Firmino said something racist, it wasn't in a friendly way. The shite the reds have come out with over the last few days is moronic, they're all singing from the same hymn sheet, and that is "How can he be racist when they're the same colour" lads in work said that this morning, so basically they're saying its ok to call someone a racial slur if you have the same skin tone, its just banter.

Ye, in that case it definitely wasn't said in a friendly way, it's 100% racist. Even if people think it's fine for for 2 people of the same 'race' to say it as an insult (which isn't right), as @Mick 1995 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) says they're both of different heritage anyway.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 04:29:17 PM
How long is a ban for racism?

Think Suarez got 8 games.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Brownie20 on January 08, 2018, 04:48:55 PM
Just had an argument in the pub

Is it racist if a black lad calls a black lad the n word and the black lad called it is offended?

I said it is, apparently I'm insane

 Firminio is of Hispanic origin isn't he? So it's a different race. But also intent is the driver of whether something is racist or not
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: eugene on January 08, 2018, 04:52:57 PM
Firminio is of Hispanic origin isn't he? So it's a different race. But also intent is the driver of whether something is racist or not
Just read David James wants ferminio to get a 10 game ban ex reds certainly have each otherís corners
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 08, 2018, 05:28:59 PM
Collymore is after a 10 match ban too.

Glad to see all reds aren't complete ignorant cunts with racism - when it doesn't suit them.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: everton1952 on January 08, 2018, 05:33:27 PM
I doubt it, but Firminio might get a long ban, but to balance it out the Redshite with their influence in all levels of the game will get Holgate done for something or other. Maybe assault on the ref and on Firminio; add that up and we might not see Holgate again until March. On the other hand common sense might prevail and a warning will be issued to both. Firminho gets away with it for a cultural misunderstanding and Holgate for his youth, and we all get back to football. . 
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 08, 2018, 05:34:48 PM
I doubt it, but Firminio might get a long ban, but to balance it out the Redshite with their influence in all levels of the game will get Holgate done for something or other. Maybe assault on the ref and on Firminio; add that up and we might not see Holgate again until March. On the other hand common sense might prevail and a warning will be issued to both. Firminho gets away with it for a cultural misunderstanding and Holgate for his youth, and we all get back to football. . 

Naaaa if Firmino has been racist then he needs to get a ban, you cant just brush it under the carpet ffs.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 08, 2018, 05:45:12 PM
Expect David James and Colleymore to get abuse and threats as well now.

Holgate could get a violent conduct charge for the push, can't really argue about that like, it was stupid and no need for it
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blargins on January 08, 2018, 05:49:32 PM
Firminio is of Hispanic origin isn't he? So it's a different race. But also intent is the driver of whether something is racist or not
Heís Latino, not Hispanic.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bluedylan on January 08, 2018, 06:51:50 PM
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Brownie20 on January 08, 2018, 07:06:18 PM
Heís Latino, not Hispanic.

My apologies
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Alanvideo on January 08, 2018, 07:11:29 PM
Expect David James and Colleymore to get abuse and threats as well now.

Holgate could get a violent conduct charge for the push, can't really argue about that like, it was stupid and no need for it
....................being from Yorkshire , Holgate should have said to Firmino  - 'get thisen up tha bloody great soft tit '
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 08, 2018, 07:19:28 PM
Haha yeah, kind of reminded me of.

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For those old/cultured enough ;)
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: gizzblue on January 08, 2018, 07:21:45 PM
Right or wrong guilty or not racist or a puta... The teflon coated redshite cunts will escape punishment either way...I fucking guarantee it .
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 08, 2018, 07:25:35 PM
Be nice to know the actual facts like.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on January 08, 2018, 07:41:31 PM
Iíd be very surprised if itís proven tbh, the mirror have said the ref has claimed to not have heard anything said etc.
Title: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 08, 2018, 07:49:28 PM
I'd be very surprised if it's proven tbh, the mirror have said the ref has claimed to not have heard anything said etc.
He's already done them a favour with the soft penalty now conveniently didn't hear anything either...he looks what he is , a twat of the highest order !!
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bluedylan on January 08, 2018, 07:51:04 PM
He's already done them a favour with the soft penalty now conveniently didn't hear anything either...he looks what he is , a twat of the highest order !!

Might be that he didn't hear it or that it wasn't said.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blargins on January 08, 2018, 07:52:08 PM
My apologies

Makes no difference though, still a different "race", so your point remains.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 08:00:16 PM
He's already done them a favour with the soft penalty now conveniently didn't hear anything either...he looks what he is , a twat of the highest order !!

He did actually turn his head away when Firminho said the word, so his attention wasn't there. There is also the chance Firminho mouthed it and didn't actually say it, so the ref wouldn't have heard it then either.

Or Firminho hasn't actually said it.

Personally I think there's more chance of a South American saying something like Negrito (as it's not seen as derogatory, similar to the Suarez situation) than there is of Holgate lying about it. Holgate wouldn't have known JJKs head had blocked the camera.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 08, 2018, 08:17:27 PM
Be nice to know the actual facts like.
You don't want facts getting in the way of a good rant do you? 😊
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 08, 2018, 09:05:26 PM
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Might be that he didn't hear it or that it wasn't said.
Probably mate, but Holgate seemed to hear it and he was between him and Firmino, he could also have been dazzled by Firmino's teeth which distracted him.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 08, 2018, 09:07:11 PM
He did actually turn his head away when Firminho said the word, so his attention wasn't there. There is also the chance Firminho mouthed it and didn't actually say it, so the ref wouldn't have heard it then either.

Or Firminho hasn't actually said it.

Personally I think there's more chance of a South American saying something like Negrito (as it's not seen as derogatory, similar to the Suarez situation) than there is of Holgate lieing about it. Holgate wouldn't have known JJKs head had blocked the camera.

There are many suggestions I suppose and I guess none of us will know what actually was said, I do think Madley is a bit of a twat though, just my opinion from watching him over numerous matches.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on January 08, 2018, 09:49:29 PM
All the hilsborough stuff making me physically sick. Hate the idea blues would sing or shout anything about that but itís deffo an angle being persued by some reds.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: ajax_andy on January 08, 2018, 10:00:40 PM
PProbably mate, but Holgate seemed to hear it and he was between him and Firmino, he could also have been dazzled by Firmino's teeth which distracted him.


You see Holgate look totally non plussed about the verbal coming from Frimino, even raises one eye brow as if to say 'piss off soft lad', then suddenly his manner changes completely, so whether Firmino did racially insult him or not it's clear to see that Holgate wasn't arsed about the abuse at first... either something WAS said, or he thought it was as his sudden reaction after being calm and a bit cocky about it all shows he's not making it up.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bluedylan on January 08, 2018, 10:06:27 PM
All the hilsborough stuff making me physically sick. Hate the idea blues would sing or shout anything about that but itís deffo an angle being persued by some reds.

You'd think that anyone who lived through that period wouldn't even dare. So maybe you get a few young'uns who heard about it growing up, but don't really get it's significance properly might be desperate enough to make comments about it.

As you say hopefully not. I would pull up any blue (or person) in any situation who made ignorant comments about Hillsborough, as any of us would.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Mac934 on January 08, 2018, 10:08:16 PM
All the hilsborough stuff making me physically sick. Hate the idea blues would sing or shout anything about that but itís deffo an angle being persued by some reds.
I took my son to the Goodison Derby a few years ago, he's a Red unfortunately. We were in the Gwladys upper tier. I have never heard so much vile spouted by Everton fans in my life about Hillsboro' and Heysel disasters. The language disgusted me and some of it was from young kids with their fathers. So much for the Blues and Reds sitting together in almost harmony. Not any more.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 08, 2018, 10:08:55 PM
I have only really seen them kicking off cos of the always the victims song, I couldn't imagine anyone would sing about H'boro, even the kids, if there dads were around then it could have been them not coming home that day
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Mac934 on January 08, 2018, 10:12:47 PM
I have only really seen them kicking off cos of the always the victims song, I couldn't imagine anyone would sing about H'boro, even the kids, if there dads were around then it could have been them not coming home that day
I would never imagine it, but trust me it was being spouted, I won't say sang. And I certainly wouldn't repeat it. I was ashamed to be an Everton supporter that day.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on January 08, 2018, 10:29:29 PM
I took my son to the Goodison Derby a few years ago, he's a Red unfortunately. We were in the Gwladys upper tier. I have never heard so much vile spouted by Everton fans in my life about Hillsboro' and Heysel disasters. The language disgusted me and some of it was from young kids with their fathers. So much for the Blues and Reds sitting together in almost harmony. Not any more.


You heard blues in the upper g shouting about hilsborough? Surely surely surely not.

Iíve been to lots of derbies and have never heard anything like that.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: gizzblue on January 08, 2018, 10:33:44 PM
You heard blues in the upper g shouting about hilsborough? Surely surely surely not.

I've been to lots of derbies and have never heard anything like that.
A lot of us blues had people at Hillsborough. .. that's just sick if so ,thankfully I've never heard shit like that.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: everton1952 on January 08, 2018, 10:37:16 PM
Neither have I.   Scouse locals would not dream of such behaviour. The crowd behaviour at derby games is typically passionate about the football, nothing else. Makes you wonder why such claims are made?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bluedylan on January 08, 2018, 10:42:52 PM
Neither have I.   Scouse locals would not dream of such behaviour. The crowd behaviour at derby games is typically passionate about the football, nothing else. Makes you wonder why such claims are made?

A fella is telling you a few posts ago, that he directly heard it. That's why such claims are made.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 08, 2018, 11:27:29 PM
Legally it is anyone who is offended by what is said be it directly or indirectly . In YOI we had to challenge coloured lads calling each other the N word even if they weren't offended . Funny when they referred to an Officer as ' my nigger ' , nothing to be offended by apparently as we weren't black/coloured ( depending on your perception of racist terminology ) .
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 09, 2018, 12:10:28 AM
Never once heard a single Everton fan sing anything about Hillsborough, home or away. I havent got to go to many away games in the past few years, but I can't imagine the culture changing that much.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 09, 2018, 12:11:56 AM
Legally it is anyone who is offended by what is said be it directly or indirectly . In YOI we had to challenge coloured lads calling each other the N word even if they weren't offended . Funny when they referred to an Officer as ' my nigger ' , nothing to be offended by apparently as we weren't black/coloured ( depending on your perception of racist terminology ) .

They were probably more offended by you calling them coloured.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 09, 2018, 01:03:25 AM
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They were probably more offended by you calling them coloured.


Just proves you can't say right for saying wrong sometimes however unintentional .
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 09, 2018, 01:20:05 AM
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Just proves you can't say right for saying wrong sometimes however unintentional .


Apologies, I was being a bit flippant there.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 09, 2018, 01:43:52 AM
Apologies, I was being a bit flippant there.

But your flippancy is actually the reality and partly the reason people are accused of being racist when they are not . These are true , I worked with a Jewish bloke who said " On my life " after everything , A black bloke whose name was White whose Mum nicknamed him Chalky but we were told we couldn't call him it  and a Nigerian who I called Chief and got pulled up for who explained to my Senior Officer that he was a Chief and everyone called him Chief . Sri Lankans used to say call me Phil ( as an example ) and bosses would slam you for not using their full names ( Wickmanayarake ) with Mr before it . People who are looking for it won't stop till they find it . I also thought you were being flippant btw .
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: stirlingblue on January 09, 2018, 03:13:02 AM
There are always some melts who bring up Hillsborough, in the same way there are idiots on their side who sing songs about Munich to untied fans.

That being said, I do find it quite annoying that 'always the victims' is associated with Hillsborough as it really sums up their fans but anybody who mentions it is accused of making fun of Hillsborough.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: ally2 on January 09, 2018, 03:22:18 AM
They can never be wrong on anything because Hillsborough was a bad thing
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: AllyBlue14 on January 09, 2018, 03:27:21 AM
There are always some melts who bring up Hillsborough, in the same way there are idiots on their side who sing songs about Munich to untied fans.

That being said, I do find it quite annoying that 'always the victims' is associated with Hillsborough as it really sums up their fans but anybody who mentions it is accused of making fun of Hillsborough.

Typical 'victim' behaviour, you can't have an opinion without them being offended. It's their way of drawing a line and shutting you down.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Brownie20 on January 09, 2018, 04:38:08 AM
But your flippancy is actually the reality and partly the reason people are accused of being racist when they are not . These are true , I worked with a Jewish bloke who said " On my life " after everything , A black bloke whose name was White whose Mum nicknamed him Chalky but we were told we couldn't call him it  and a Nigerian who I called Chief and got pulled up for who explained to my Senior Officer that he was a Chief and everyone called him Chief . Sri Lankans used to say call me Phil ( as an example ) and bosses would slam you for not using their full names ( Wickmanayarake ) with Mr before it . People who are looking for it won't stop till they find it . I also thought you were being flippant btw .

I had a black friend called White who went by the nickname Chalky too
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blargins on January 09, 2018, 06:38:11 AM
I had a black friend called White who went by the nickname Chalky too
Seems quite a common thing. I remember my dad always talking about an old friend he had called Chalky White.

Didnít Jim Davidson also joke about Chalky?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jamokachi on January 09, 2018, 07:20:53 AM
A lad I work with here in Sydney's sister works for Liverpool FC as a social media officer, doing an internship. Turns out she's good mates with Mason and is getting a whole heap of shit from her colleagues because of what went down in the derby.

Not interesting in the slightest, I know :)
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Mac934 on January 09, 2018, 07:50:10 AM
A fella is telling you a few posts ago, that he directly heard it. That's why such claims are made.
Maybe it was just a group of people sat near us, but there was a fair few of them all around where we were sat. It was not a pleasant experience. Shameful really.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blue1948 on January 09, 2018, 01:21:55 PM
Just a thought if Firmini did indeed say "es maluco" it could be that Mason heard- mulatto - and that is why he took off .
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 09, 2018, 02:59:08 PM
I see that the fat sweat that is Martin Samuel has wrote an article on the situation basically saying Holgate should be banned for pushing Firmino towards a concrete object that could have broke his back, minimum mention of the potential racist incident whilst claiming not to be a defence of firmino!

Its little wonder their fans are the way they are, every time something involving them occurs the papers go full out to exonerate them and belittle the opposition (in this case he more or less says Holgate isn't even very good!) and the fans lap it up and repeat over and over.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Brownie20 on January 09, 2018, 03:48:36 PM
Seems quite a common thing. I remember my dad always talking about an old friend he had called Chalky White.

Didnít Jim Davidson also joke about Chalky?

I'm too young to remember Jim Davidson's stand up. Honest
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: eugene on January 09, 2018, 03:56:52 PM
Haha yeah, kind of reminded me of.

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For those old/cultured enough ;)
Billy Kasper brill
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 04:19:41 PM
Anyone read Martin Samuels article about this, basically slags Holgate off, saying his push could've broken the lesbian's back
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 09, 2018, 04:20:25 PM
Seems quite a common thing. I remember my dad always talking about an old friend he had called Chalky White.

Didn’t Jim Davidson also joke about Chalky?

Times change as The comedians that used to be on TV would never be shown now . My Dad thought nothing of being openly racist as did my brother who was in the forces . We all now it isn't acceptable and if most people say something wrong it is a slip and you usually apologise straight away . The twitter rants at Holgate are malicious and need to be dealt with as such .
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Tinga on January 09, 2018, 04:25:10 PM
Seems quite a common thing. I remember my dad always talking about an old friend he had called Chalky White.

Didnít Jim Davidson also joke about Chalky?

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Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Waltzer on January 09, 2018, 04:48:20 PM
I see that the fat sweat that is Martin Samuel has wrote an article on the situation basically saying Holgate should be banned for pushing Firmino towards a concrete object that could have broke his back, minimum mention of the potential racist incident whilst claiming not to be a defence of firmino!

Its little wonder their fans are the way they are, every time something involving them occurs the papers go full out to exonerate them and belittle the opposition (in this case he more or less says Holgate isn't even very good!) and the fans lap it up and repeat over and over.

I suppose its dealing with facts, like it or not what Holgate did was dangerous and out of order, he should be banned and if it was another team against us you'd expect that. There have been numerous professional lip readers state Frimino didnt say anything racist, and in a land of being innocent until proven guilty it wouldnt be that great to report on what apparently hasn't been said.
I dont necessarily think its belittling us, its merely stating the facts as they stand, if Frimino is found guilty id expect them to go to town on him
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 04:54:23 PM
Sick of hearing people say that Firmino clearly says Puta, we all know that, Holgate didn't react then, he reacts just after when something else is said, you can't see is because JJK is in the way.

However a lot of reds have said Llanannanana's reaction is pretty telling, he obviously heard something as well, he looks disgusted
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on January 09, 2018, 04:57:32 PM
I suppose its dealing with facts, like it or not what Holgate did was dangerous and out of order, he should be banned and if it was another team against us you'd expect that. There have been numerous professional lip readers state Frimino didnt say anything racist, and in a land of being innocent until proven guilty it wouldnt be that great to report on what apparently hasn't been said.
I dont necessarily think its belittling us, its merely stating the facts as they stand, if Frimino is found guilty id expect them to go to town on him

Couldn't what Samuels said and what's come out of the Daily Mirror, lip reading as such, influence the hearing ? So if they have opinions or supposed evidence, shouldn't this be brought up afterwards. To be objective I suppose Collymore's 10 match ban statement as well.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: TheRam on January 09, 2018, 05:01:36 PM
Sick of hearing people say that Firmino clearly says Puta, we all know that, Holgate didn't react then, he reacts just after when something else is said, you can't see is because JJK is in the way.

However a lot of reds have said Llanannanana's reaction is pretty telling, he obviously heard something as well, he looks disgusted

What does lallana do?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 05:03:36 PM
What does lallana do?

Ive not seen it, few reds mentioned it on twitter
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Waltzer on January 09, 2018, 05:30:36 PM
Couldn't what Samuels said and what's come out of the Daily Mirror, lip reading as such, influence the hearing ? So if they have opinions or supposed evidence, shouldn't this be brought up afterwards. To be objective I suppose Collymore's 10 match ban statement as well.

Yes you're right, tbh I havent read the article so I dont know whats in it. Im hoping the panel that review the incident will look at things at face value and not be swayed by headlines? I find it all a bit bizarre as I dont even recall Holgate or Frimino being near one another until they clash for the ball so whatever is alleged to have been said must've been pretty loud so youd hope they should be able to get good evidence either way?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on January 09, 2018, 06:27:12 PM
The push was stupid, I remember there was a spate of them a year or two ago and Iím sure it ended in a ban for someone.

The alleged racism is a separate issue but I must say the reds arenít covering themselves with glory with how theyíre responding.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 06:37:36 PM
Nobody could argue if Holgate was charged with violent conduct and got a ban.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on January 09, 2018, 06:40:54 PM
What does lallana do?

Collapse like a deck of cards to win a Penalty.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 09, 2018, 07:05:42 PM
Collapse like a deck of cards to win a Penalty.

The way both feet come off the ground like he was clearing an invisible hurdle is cringeworthy.

At least their absolute tramp of a manager admitted it was soft and shouldnít have been given.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Cassius on January 09, 2018, 07:07:31 PM
Was this Holgate incident worse or the same as William's push in that Europa league game?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 09, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
The way both feet come off the ground like he was clearing an invisible hurdle is cringeworthy.

At least their absolute tramp of a manager admitted it was soft and shouldn’t have been given.

Not a chance he's saying that if they don't win though.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 09, 2018, 07:36:58 PM
Not a chance he's saying that if they don't win though.
He'd be screaming from the top of that stupid stand
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2018, 08:09:45 PM
His top and bottom jaw would be in different postcodes if their soft penalty wasn't given.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 09, 2018, 08:25:12 PM
The horrible thing that may come from this is the backlash Holgate will get if there is insignificant evidence to charge Firminho. Imagine being racially abused and then abused by other fans for trying to speak up about it, it's a really horrible thought, I hope he has the mental strength to cope with that (if it turns out that way)

For some reason the kopites seem to think that if Firminho isn't charged it means he hasn't said anything and Holgate has made it all up, when it fact it means Firminho could well have said it, there just isn't enough evidence to prove it.

Personally I just can't see Holgate making it up, not when he knows there are cameras everywhere. I can however see Firminho saying a word that he thinks is OK in the UK, because it's fine to use in Brazil.

I get there is an argument that Firminho might not have said anything, but surely that's the least likely. Even if he said something completely non offensive that just sounded like the N word, Holgate and the club are within their right to question it.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bluedylan on January 09, 2018, 08:26:30 PM
Honestly, I think our penalty in the league game was as soft as theirs.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 08:46:02 PM
The horrible thing that may come from this is the backlash Holgate will get if there is insignificant evidence to charge Firminho. Imagine being racially abused and then abused by other fans for trying to speak up about it, it's a really horrible thought, I hope he has the mental strength to cope with that (if it turns out that way)

For some reason the kopites seem to think that if Firminho isn't charged it means he hasn't said anything and Holgate has made it all up, when it fact it means Firminho could well have said it, there just isn't enough evidence to prove it.

Personally I just can't see Holgate making it up, not when he knows there are cameras everywhere. I can see Firminho saying a word that he thinks is OK in the UK, because it's fine to use in Brazil.

I get there is an argument that Firminho might not have said anything, but surely that's the least likely. Even if he said something completely non offensive that just sounded like the N word, Holgate and the club are within their right to question it.

I've heard the "he made it up to stop himself from getting sent off" argument loads of times, its daft, no player would ever do that, no player would grab the ref either
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 09, 2018, 09:12:01 PM
Honestly, I think our penalty in the league game was as soft as theirs.

Disagree.

Two hands out stretched from Lovren in to DCL's back compared to Holgate putting his hand on Lallana's shoulder (I think) and his legs go from underneath him?

Without trying to be too biased I don't even think the one we got was soft.  I reckon that gets given every single time.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Waltzer on January 09, 2018, 09:16:48 PM
Collapse like a deck of cards to win a Penalty.

I still cant believe he hasnt been charged in a similar way Niasse was, there was contact but no way was it enough to put him down
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2018, 09:21:05 PM
I still cant believe he hasnt been charged in a similar way Niasse was, there was contact but no way was it enough to put him down

Not for both feet to leave the floor. WTF was that all about?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ridge on January 09, 2018, 09:23:31 PM
My interpretation is that he probably used the same term as Suarez did and the ref heard it.

I think the ref was going to book Holgate and then decided he couldn't book Firmino for racism, and ended up pleading ignorance to it all. He went to 4th official to document that a racist comment had been alleged, but if he hears it, the answer is to send Firmino off. When Holgate makes the accusation, if he's heard something different, explain it to him, he was in the middle of them.

There will be other video footage than what is available to the public, and the ref's mic doesn't have to be activated to be recording. So I think it depends on how the powers want to handle it. But once they start asking Firmino for an explanation I think he's already done for by precedent.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 09, 2018, 09:24:07 PM
Not for both feet to leave the floor. WTF was that all about?

Tripwire and Claymore style .
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 09:32:39 PM
My interpretation is that he probably used the same term as Suarez did and the ref heard it.

I think the ref was going to book Holgate and then decided he couldn't book Firmino for racism, and ended up pleading ignorance to it all. He went to 4th official to document that a racist comment had been alleged, but if he hears it, the answer is to send Firmino off. When Holgate makes the accusation, if he's heard something different, explain it to him, he was in the middle of them.

There will be other video footage than what is available to the public, and the ref's mic doesn't have to be activated to be recording. So I think it depends on how the powers want to handle it. But once they start asking Firmino for an explanation I think he's already done for by precedent.

Few media folk say the ref has already said that he didn't hear anything.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 09, 2018, 10:02:50 PM
Not for both feet to leave the floor. WTF was that all about?

Its the world renowned bit of springy penalty area at the tin mine. Gerard used to launch star fishes off it all the time.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 10, 2018, 12:36:20 AM
can you seriously break your back from a push?

should Firminho even being risking his life playing football if he is made of putty?

yeah Holgate pushed him.. so? he did it for jokes (i guess i think he saw Davies on the sideline in front of him and thought to play catch with Firminho as the ball) or he did it cos he was annoyed he couldnt get passed Firminho as he shielded the ball out of play... a lot of worse stuff happens on the pitch.

i'd actually ban the person who designs the pitch layout. we have hardly any room down the sides of the pitch and it slopes down away from the pitch. i've always thought of that as being very very dangerous.
 
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Confucius on January 10, 2018, 10:42:51 AM
It's taken so long to investigate that Firminio had already been coached as to what to say and how to say it. Disgusting
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on January 10, 2018, 01:23:26 PM
Reckon Holgate will end up getting a ban and that will be that
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: TheRam on January 10, 2018, 01:28:04 PM
Reckon Holgate will end up getting a ban and that will be that

Gets a ban for something he said as a 15 year old.

If that happens I hope the club take it as far as they can.

Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Nice of the media to put the racism issue to one side so they can concentrate on making him look like the guilty party here. Firmino will come out smelling of roses, he will end up being the victim
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: therealdunc on January 10, 2018, 01:48:10 PM
What an awful country we live in when people are told to delete what they wrote when they where a child by the police.

The intolerance in this country is horrible to see

As previously stated, the thought police are a nasty bunch
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Escla on January 10, 2018, 01:52:25 PM
Well we all know who is responsible for trawling his twitter account untill they found something from 5 years ago, nasty little twats from across the park, reckon we should trawl through every shite players tweets for the past five years and will surely find enough to hang half the team.
Title: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: stirlingblue on January 10, 2018, 01:57:27 PM
Didn't Andre Gray get banned for 4 games for something similar (homophobic tweets)?

Although he did mention killing gays, not exactly the same level as calling his mate a batty


EDIT: including link https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/23/burnley-andre-gray-four-match-ban-twitter

Apparently the tweets came to light after he scored against Liverpool in a 2-0 win, spotting a pattern...
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Trowel on January 10, 2018, 02:09:06 PM
If we're all facing bans for things we did as 15 year old I'd like to apologise to the publishers of the Littlewoods catalogue.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:46 PM
If we're all facing bans for things we did as 15 year old I'd like to apologise to the publishers of the Littlewoods catalogue.

Add Freemans to that
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 10, 2018, 02:25:35 PM
Didn't Andre Gray get banned for 4 games for something similar (homophobic tweets)?

Although he did mention killing gays, not exactly the same level as calling his mate a batty


EDIT: including link https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/23/burnley-andre-gray-four-match-ban-twitter

Apparently the tweets came to light after he scored against Liverpool in a 2-0 win, spotting a pattern...

Surely the difference is his tweets were from when he was a footballer and had previously gone unpunished. Holgates arent. I can't imagine they can leagally ban him for something he did before he was employed by them and a child too
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 02:38:46 PM
Anyone saying a fella who called his mate a fag when he was 15 should now be banned is a twat, it shouldn't even be discussed.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: stirlingblue on January 10, 2018, 03:55:11 PM
Anyone saying a fella who called his mate a fag when he was 15 should now be banned is a twat, it shouldn't even be discussed.

This is kopites defending a racist, nothing is off limits
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: therealdunc on January 10, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Anyone saying a fella who called his mate a fag when he was 15 should now be banned is a twat, it shouldn't even be discussed.

This is the kind of idiot who would do just that

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/police-officer-labelled-an-embarrassment-for-telling-shops-to-use-genderneutral-signs-for-tampons-a3610916.html

In a different news article, he was found celebrating the trial of a 93 year old man who had a a6 size card in his window behind obscured glass that was considered anti Semitic

He also threatened to visit  a primary school to tell of kids if they donít use appropriate language.

The country and in particular government have lost their mind making such stupid laws about what is defined as hate speech.

I dislike some of the things people say and write, but I defend their right to say and write them.

Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: eugene on January 11, 2018, 01:21:15 AM
He'd be screaming from the top of that stupid stand
Your right I really hate that fuckin stand. For all the mouth the shite have you never really hear them bragging about it
Even they know ha, wait till we build our new ground and start singing the shitty ground song at em canít wait
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: eugene on January 11, 2018, 01:26:27 AM
Nice of the media to put the racism issue to one side so they can concentrate on making him look like the guilty party here. Firmino will come out smelling of roses, he will end up being the victim
Please donít even suggest that mate
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 11, 2018, 02:22:40 AM
Please donít even suggest that mate

Already happening
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Simon Paul on January 11, 2018, 02:28:25 AM
victim blaming is the new black....

did I phrase that wrong?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 11, 2018, 02:56:20 AM
We won't win in this they are the pros.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on January 11, 2018, 03:01:58 AM
Add Freemans to that

Yeah, and the Sunday supplements
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: eugene on January 11, 2018, 03:02:16 AM
We won't win in this they are the pros.
And be dammed the reckless person who dares to suggest
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on January 11, 2018, 03:09:49 AM
Even if it got to a panel, it would have Murphy and a plethora of other RS on it, so there would be NO chance of anything happening to Firmino.

And Holgate will get a ban instead, I'm sure of that.

Cunt of a club under the protective arm of the equally horrible F.A.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 11, 2018, 03:32:31 AM
Barclays have too much invested in them after the bale out as well,although they might have paid that back by now..
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: ally2 on January 11, 2018, 03:46:50 AM
Holgate has definitely done a bad thing. That's not in question. Firmino we don't know. Holgate could have misheard something or whatever. No point getting worked up yet.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on January 11, 2018, 03:47:07 AM
Liverpool fans playing a dangerous game throwing this kind of shit around though, I mean first they trailed through the Twitter accounts of Andre Grey, because he had the absolute temerity to score past them. Then they trailed through the Twitter accounts of Mason Holgate, because he had the temerity to accuse one of their own of racism. They had to go back until he was 15 years old, still a kid,  to him having some banter with one of his mates, now he was wrong no one is saying he wasn't, but this kind of snooping thing is doing Liverpool fans no favours at all.
They are as fans coming across as incredibly bitter and whose to say all their players are Crystal clean ? Fans have long memories and what they do to others could easily happen to them. Any true liverpool fan would be disgusted with their behaviour, red mate in work today is fuming about it and mentioned both of them incidents, also the Suarez t-shirt thing as well.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: boothill on January 11, 2018, 03:52:13 AM
If we're all facing bans for things we did as 15 year old I'd like to apologise to the publishers of the Littlewoods catalogue.
Marshal ward my go to
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: cantoffee on January 11, 2018, 07:39:58 AM
We won't win in this they are the pros.
Well we don't win in the derby either so at least we're all accustomed to it by now.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blueski on January 11, 2018, 08:08:04 AM
it sickens me that he's being held to account by the FA of a remark made as a child as a result of being a victim of a racial slur

even if you believe the comments weren't joking banter, which they certainly seem to be, what has the world come to if you can't make a single regrettable comment when you are 15 without permanent repercussion - every single one of us would come under fire.

this is on the order of trying to exonerate a rapist by looking to see if a woman committed any transgressions when a teenager.

theres something badly wrong with all this
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2018, 01:47:52 PM
Yeah it is very ugly that the twitter reds have hunted out some minor disgression from years ago in a bid to deflect and smear.

Some of the stuff online as well is particularly distasteful like, whole atmosphere since the derby has been horrible.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 11, 2018, 02:01:52 PM
Radio city this morning- The FA are investigating homophobic tweets written by Mason Holgate nearly 6 years ago, the Everton defender has deleted his Twitter account

No mention of the Firmino incident at all
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Toddacelli on January 11, 2018, 02:18:15 PM
Radio city this morning- The FA are investigating homophobic tweets written by Mason Holgate nearly 6 years ago, the Everton defender has deleted his Twitter account

No mention of the Firmino incident at all



(https://m.popkey.co/6d819c/XgxZG.gif)
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on January 11, 2018, 02:23:46 PM
Radio city this morning- The FA are investigating homophobic tweets written by Mason Holgate nearly 6 years ago, the Everton defender has deleted his Twitter account

No mention of the Firmino incident at all

You couldn't make it up
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 11, 2018, 02:33:10 PM
You couldn't make it up

8.30 news update, same as earlier however they added this to the end  - Holgate is currently involved in a possibly racist row with Liverpool's Brazilian star Roberto Firmino
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 03:10:25 AM
Guess who else wrote a homophobic tweet back in 2012

Redshite defender Andrew Robertson

Oh dear
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 03:14:33 AM
Guess who else wrote a homophobic tweet back in 2012

Redshite defender Andrew Robertson

Oh dear

Haha has someone found it?? Stick it up for us. Was he a professional at the time? How old is he
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on January 12, 2018, 03:18:00 AM
 :clap: loo
Guess who else wrote a homophobic tweet back in 2012

Redshite defender Andrew Robertson

Oh dear


As i said dangerous game the redshite fans are playing. Good spot young man  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 03:19:21 AM
:clap: loo

As i said dangerous game the redshite fans are playing. Good spot young man  :thumbsup:



They are an absolute band of lunatics. Who in their right mind starts this shite because someone scores against you. They must almost qualify as a cult
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 03:20:03 AM
Haha has someone found it?? Stick it up for us. Was he a professional at the time? How old is he

Looks like
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ramjam on January 12, 2018, 03:21:48 AM
Fuckin loving it, stick it to the Shite
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: pedrotheblue on January 12, 2018, 03:23:38 AM
We really are becoming a sanctimonious self righteous society and it's very sad that the mistakes we make as children are being used against us in later life. I grew up in the early eighties and can remember some of the horrendous racists song all the kids used to sing in primary school, thing was we didn't have a clue what the meaning of those songs were or why they were sung - we were naive kids ffs.

Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 03:24:51 AM
If we could be arsed we could probably get half they young players banned. I've wrote some absolute shite on there. Only last month Billy Joe Saunders blocked me when I called his child a cunt

Really don't get the mindset of someone so put out that Andre Gray scored a goal that they search through years of tweets
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blueski on January 12, 2018, 03:28:14 AM
hate it, me

no fan of homophobes at all but hunting through someone's online comments in the hope to label a years ago remark which could have been pleasant and a jest or homophobic for me is poor whether it be Holgate or some redshite
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on January 12, 2018, 03:29:23 AM
We really are becoming a sanctimonious self righteous society and it's very sad that the mistakes we make as children are being used against us in later life. I grew up in the early eighties and can remember some of the horrendous racists song all the kids used to sing in primary school, thing was we didn't have a clue what the meaning of those songs were or why they were sung - we were naive kids ffs.




So right I'm glad i grew up in the sixties, seventies and eighties,we might not have been right or politically correct but we sure had a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 03:31:37 AM
hate it, me

no fan of homophobes at all but hunting through someone's online comments in the hope to label a years ago remark which could have been pleasant and a jest or homophobic for me is poor whether it be Holgate or some redshite

I do think the Gray thing is a little different. Not the fact that someone bothered to look but it was genuinely nasty. Holgate and Robertson seem to be having a laugh with their mates

All what will happen is that it will force all players off social media and they'll be even further removed from their supporters
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: TheRam on January 12, 2018, 03:31:38 AM
Made up someone found that.


Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on January 12, 2018, 03:32:07 AM

They are an absolute band of lunatics. Who in their right mind starts this shite because someone scores against you. They must almost qualify as a cult

Yeah, a cunt cult
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on January 12, 2018, 03:33:06 AM
Made up someone found that.




Yeah, The Echo, The Mirror, and the BBC will be gutted
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 03:39:41 AM
It was Chelsea fans what did it
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blueski on January 12, 2018, 03:39:42 AM
I do think the Gray thing is a little different. Not the fact that someone bothered to look but it was genuinely nasty. Holgate and Robertson seem to be having a laugh with their mates

All what will happen is that it will force all players off social media and they'll be even further removed from their supporters
I agree to an extent but we many of us make mistakes and learn and grow from them. So many people make a comment they look back on as a mistake. If I had a bad day in 2011 does it mean I am reprehensible? There seems to be no perspective - they all are painted with the same brush - moment of madness or honest mistake gets binned with those who are genuine repeat offenders with a black heart
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on January 12, 2018, 03:40:47 AM
Yeah, The Echo, The Mirror, and the BBC will be gutted

Why Sam they probably won't report it. Really though and i know it's a shitty thing to do, it must be reported, because if the FA can prosecute Andre Grey and possibly Holgate, then Robertson must get the same treatment. Must say I'm very surprised those crusading reds fans did not spot this homophobic act as well  ::)
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on January 12, 2018, 03:42:19 AM
It was Chelsea fans what did it

The Robertson tweet?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 03:42:29 AM
If Holgate was 15 when he said it then he shouldn't be prosecuted, he was a child, growing up is about making mistakes and learning from them.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 03:43:23 AM
If Holgate was 15 when he said it then he shouldn't be prosecuted, he was a child, growing up is about making mistakes and learning from them.

Robertson was 18, so an adult

Hahahahahahha
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 03:44:31 AM
Robertson was 18, so an adult

Hahahahahahha

Throw the book at that cunt then ha
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 03:50:04 AM
https://twitter.com/sjv_simon/status/951568642533142528
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: charlatan on January 12, 2018, 03:52:16 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTNR5LhXkAE2Ewo.jpg:small)

 ;D
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 12, 2018, 03:53:44 AM
If Holgate was 15 when he said it then he shouldn't be prosecuted, he was a child, growing up is about making mistakes and learning from them.
They say cos he was at a football club he would have had social media training.

The whole things a fucking joke
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 03:59:46 AM
They say cos he was at a football club he would have had social media training.

The whole things a fucking joke
If is a joke like, I'd be surprised if he got punished.
Even if he had the best social media training ever, he's still a child, it just doesn't make any sense to ban him.

Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 12, 2018, 04:00:54 AM
:bonk:
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 04:02:02 AM
It also just confirms how far people will go to find some dirt, searching through 5 years worth of tweets is sad as fuck, need to get themselves a life
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on January 12, 2018, 04:07:05 AM
It also just confirms how far people will go to find some dirt, searching through 5 years worth of tweets is sad as fuck, need to get themselves a life

Yeah.

































Gawd bless 'em on Robertson though, eh 👍🏼☺️
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blue slug on January 12, 2018, 04:07:36 AM
It also just confirms how far people will go to find some dirt, searching through 5 years worth of tweets is sad as fuck, need to get themselves a life

Spot on especially when so young and naive your views and opinions will change massively I know mine did
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 04:10:59 AM
I was a horrible bastard when I was a lad, dread to think what sort of shit I'd put on Twitter if it was around back then
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blue slug on January 12, 2018, 04:16:33 AM
Thatís exactly what Iím thinking Macca you shouldnít be judging a young lad on stuff like that but unfortunately itís always there as stick to beat him with
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blue slug on January 12, 2018, 04:20:28 AM
I was mugged at t knife point by three black men in Birmingham when I was 14 and it turned me into a total racist thinking every black man was the same, then you just grow up and realise that point of view is just totally ridiculous
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ramjam on January 12, 2018, 04:24:07 AM
I get robbed by my kids every week, still love them all like🤣🤣
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 03:23:31 PM
Sam didn't seem worried about this at all tbh.

He said the club and players have known about Holgates tweets for a long time, he seemed to suggest they have used it as an example when talking about the do's and don'ts of social media to players, it was a historical when he was young.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Shogun on January 12, 2018, 05:06:05 PM


So right I'm glad i grew up in the sixties, seventies and eighties,we might not have been right or politically correct but we sure had a lot of fun.

Fortunately we live in a world where minorities and misfits are stood up and counted for these days.

I think that probably makes it worth living in a Politically Correct world.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on January 12, 2018, 06:58:11 PM
Iím quite bad for pulling people up on here but stuff like this is just fucking mad isnít it. Been a die hard lefty since I was a kid and even I am starting to hate the constant crusade. Something self satisfactory about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on January 13, 2018, 12:15:36 AM
Fortunately we live in a world where minorities and misfits are stood up and counted for these days.

I think that probably makes it worth living in a Politically Correct world.

Not apologising for enjoying my life son, just believe in live and let live that's all.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Shogun on January 13, 2018, 12:36:54 AM
Not apologising for enjoying my life son, just believe in live and let live that's all.

To be fair, society is more accepting of that motto now than it ever has been in my opinion.

I like you though so don't want this to turn into anything ugly!


This has nothing to do with left or right. It's just the tribalism nature of football, I think most can see the comments from Holgate and Robertson aren't really malicious. God knows what I was posting on social media 10 years ago!
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: TheRam on January 13, 2018, 12:47:04 AM
I hate the way the world is now, it's gone well too far the other way and this type of shit is an example. Hopefully the FA see sense and just ignore this and realise people change from how they were aged 15.

Can't go a day without seeing some sort of faux outrage over something.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 13, 2018, 12:57:47 AM
Fortunately we live in a world where minorities and misfits are stood up and counted for these days.

I think that probably makes it worth living in a Politically Correct world.

Aye, right on but can you punch someone in the gob for picking on you or calling you names on social media? Never been on Twitter/Facebook etc. Sounds like a load of old shite like.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 13, 2018, 01:32:36 AM
I hate the way the world is now, it's gone well too far the other way and this type of shit is an example. Hopefully the FA see sense and just ignore this and realise people change from how they were aged 15.

Can't go a day without seeing some sort of faux outrage over something.

You can't say anything these days, its madness
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on January 13, 2018, 01:34:42 AM
I hate the way the world is now, it's gone well too far the other way and this type of shit is an example. Hopefully the FA see sense and just ignore this and realise people change from how they were aged 15.

Can't go a day without seeing some sort of faux outrage over something.

The thing is tho - it hasn’t hasnt gone too far the other way, there are still people being discriminated against daily for being black, or gay, or a woman.

However as you say the profligacy of faux outrage is diluting it to the point were people do genuinely believe racism doesn’t exist or that women ‘have it better’ or whatever. Harmful, damaging stuff.

End of the day nobody is offended by this, it’s literally football twitter grasses.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: eugene on January 13, 2018, 01:36:15 AM
Marshal ward my go to
Stop right now think of what your saying ......... it was always JUST SEVENTEEN mmm
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on January 13, 2018, 02:05:34 AM
To be fair, society is more accepting of that motto now than it ever has been in my opinion.

I like you though so don't want this to turn into anything ugly!


This has nothing to do with left or right. It's just the tribalism nature of football, I think most can see the comments from Holgate and Robertson aren't really malicious. God knows what I was posting on social media 10 years ago!

Not in the mood to fight you over it, I'd definitely lose, but it seems to me almost everything you say nowadays can be misconstrued. Hate this Facebook, twitter thing where people can be insulted, bullied and ganged up on just because one person doesn't like it and can use it against you for likes to try and make the sad Bastard look / popular. People nowadays seem a lot less tolerant and patient with each other in these times, awful the amount of relationships that break up, leaving one parent families it's a living timebomb for the future. Think I've rambled on to long here.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Confucius on January 13, 2018, 05:31:10 AM
You can't say anything these days, its madness

Do you have something against people with schizophrenia now?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ross on January 13, 2018, 06:27:27 AM
Do you have something against people with schizophrenia now?

Some peopleís opinions about mental health can be crazy at times..
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: gizzblue on January 13, 2018, 05:08:12 PM
Do you have something against people with schizophrenia now?
We don't ...
But I do.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on January 13, 2018, 06:08:29 PM
Do you have something against people with schizophrenia now?

Yes
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Big Nev on January 13, 2018, 08:24:59 PM
Does anyone else think this F.A. investigation is dragging on and on?

Nothing from them about it lately and it's over a week now. I bet they are just hoping it all dies down.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on February 22, 2018, 12:35:51 AM
Never in doubt really was it

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/966379123034804224

Redshites saying Holgate should be banned for false accusation
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: gizzblue on February 22, 2018, 12:42:29 AM
Never in doubt really was it

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/966379123034804224

Redshites saying Holgate should be banned for false accusation
Love the heads falling off 😅😅...we all knew no punishment would be handed out seven weeks ago ..

Why did the fa take that long ?.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on February 22, 2018, 12:54:25 AM
Love the heads falling off 😅😅...we all knew no punishment would be handed out seven weeks ago ..

Why did the fa take that long ?.


They took that long making sure there was no evidence around that could make them look corrupt when they inevitably equitted him.

The FA were never going to allow LFC to be awarded with a two-time racism trophy to go in the cabinet alongside their other awards for grade A anti-social behaviour.

Notice how the wording of the statement never even mentioned the word racism, and just used the comfortingly ambiguous term Ďdiscriminatory languageí.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 22, 2018, 12:57:36 AM
I genuinely just hope this is the right decision. More so than anything else.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Tony Clifton on February 22, 2018, 12:59:55 AM
Never in doubt really was it

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/966379123034804224

Redshites saying Holgate should be banned for false accusation

Banned?  Heíll probably get a prison sentence, knowing our luck, and that shower.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Goaljira on February 22, 2018, 01:02:15 AM
Kopites completely unable to comprehend that just because you can't prove it doesn't mean it didnt happen, when its exactly the same thing they've been levelling at their mates when they call shenanighans against claims they touched a living female.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on February 22, 2018, 01:04:53 AM
They're livid, it's actually quite funny seeing them make tits of themselves again.

Best one yet is, Holgate should be jailed for slander against not only the lesbian but the club and their trillions of fans
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on February 22, 2018, 01:29:22 AM
They're livid, it's actually quite funny seeing them make tits of themselves again.

Best one yet is, Holgate should be jailed for slander against not only the lesbian but the club and their trillions of fans

They are a hideous bunch, and their Sky, FA, and media cronies
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 22, 2018, 01:31:25 AM
It's a cult, a horrible horrible cult
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 22, 2018, 01:41:31 AM
Lets be honest though. No one really thinks it happened. 
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 22, 2018, 01:47:11 AM
Lets be honest though. No one really thinks it happened.
Tbh whether or not he said sommet, Holgate must have thought at that second he did. He's a pretty cool customer but he flipped and that's nothing to do with trying to deflect from him throwing firmino in the crowd
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on February 22, 2018, 01:48:49 AM
Lets be honest though. No one really thinks it happened. 

Really?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Shogun on February 22, 2018, 01:59:48 AM
It was was instant reaction, Holgate obviously thought he heard something whether he did or not.

Be nice of the FA to release these other camera angles but I doubt there actually are any.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on February 22, 2018, 02:04:47 AM
Probably the best outcome for both clubs and both players involved in my humble opinion, should be put to bed by both sets of fans and forgotten. Both players fully vindicated for their actions after a thorough lengthy investigation.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 22, 2018, 02:07:42 AM
If Holgate gets booed by the Liverpool fans then the FA need to take action against them.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on February 22, 2018, 02:10:36 AM
Can't wait for the derby at Goodison
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on February 22, 2018, 02:11:13 AM
If Holgate gets booed by the Liverpool fans then the FA need to take action against them.

He will get booed, and consistently trolled by them online, and no action will ever be taken against them
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Alanvideo on February 22, 2018, 02:13:44 AM
from our friends at RAWK ,talking about Holgate............
<<<<<   He was being a thug all game, and couldn't wait to kick of. He could have ended Firmino's career and could have left him in a wheel chair for life after the violent assault on him. If that was done outside a pub/club on Friday night, there would have been 25 camera's and police would be charging Holgate with a serious assault. But in football 'thats okay'.

I mean he's reacted violently and could have seriously injured somebody to a point of life changing injuries.

The FA are a disgrace with there statement and lack of punishment for Holgate. I hope we can now push players over hoardings and go unpunished in the same way. They've set a precedent now. >>>

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 22, 2018, 02:14:06 AM
He will get booed, and consistently trolled by them online, and no action will ever be taken against them

It's a great way to stop people reporting racist abuse if they don't.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on February 22, 2018, 02:20:16 AM
from our friends at RAWK ,talking about Holgate............
<<<<<   He was being a thug all game, and couldn't wait to kick of. He could have ended Firmino's career and could have left him in a wheel chair for life after the violent assault on him. If that was done outside a pub/club on Friday night, there would have been 25 camera's and police would be charging Holgate with a serious assault. But in football 'thats okay'.

I mean he's reacted violently and could have seriously injured somebody to a point of life changing injuries.

The FA are a disgrace with there statement and lack of punishment for Holgate. I hope we can now push players over hoardings and go unpunished in the same way. They've set a precedent now. >>>

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Always the victims
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 22, 2018, 02:52:59 AM
Really?

Yeah man. Be objective about. Holgate had completely lost his head after giving away the penalty. Easy to see how he couldíve misinterpreted something or worse lied to try and deflect attention from his own misbehaviour. Iím not going to pretend just because Holgate is one of ours that heís of some superior moral character than Firminho. Ultimately on balance if you had to ask me itís far more likely that there was nothing racist actually said than there was.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sirblue57 on February 22, 2018, 02:58:15 AM
from our friends at RAWK ,talking about Holgate............
<<<<<   He was being a thug all game, and couldn't wait to kick of. He could have ended Firmino's career and could have left him in a wheel chair for life after the violent assault on him. If that was done outside a pub/club on Friday night, there would have been 25 camera's and police would be charging Holgate with a serious assault. But in football 'thats okay'.

I mean he's reacted violently and could have seriously injured somebody to a point of life changing injuries.

The FA are a disgrace with there statement and lack of punishment for Holgate. I hope we can now push players over hoardings and go unpunished in the same way. They've set a precedent now. >>>

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

From the club and supporters who defended Suarez, cults have more dignity.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sirblue57 on February 22, 2018, 02:59:39 AM
And kuyt, Gerrard at al.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on February 22, 2018, 03:07:51 AM
Yeah man. Be objective about. Holgate had completely lost his head after giving away the penalty. Easy to see how he couldíve misinterpreted something or worse lied to try and deflect attention from his own misbehaviour. Iím not going to pretend just because Holgate is one of ours that heís of some superior moral character than Firminho. Ultimately on balance if you had to ask me itís far more likely that there was nothing racist actually said than there was.

Nah, mate.

He was cool as a cucumber, then Firminoís chat sent him barmy.

No chance he made it up.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Shogun on February 22, 2018, 03:08:50 AM
Aye in a split second he thought ďyeah Iíll pretend he said something racistĒ

Poor from you Capitan.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: irishtoffee on February 22, 2018, 03:34:43 AM
Of course he'll get booed. If it was the other way around we'd do it to their players too
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 22, 2018, 03:39:25 AM
Yeah man. Be objective about. Holgate had completely lost his head after giving away the penalty. Easy to see how he couldíve misinterpreted something or worse lied to try and deflect attention from his own misbehaviour. Iím not going to pretend just because Holgate is one of ours that heís of some superior moral character than Firminho. Ultimately on balance if you had to ask me itís far more likely that there was nothing racist actually said than there was.

Absolute bollocks
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blue slug on February 22, 2018, 03:50:37 AM
He was absolutely fine and level headed until Firmino said something so you can only think it must of been offensive or abusive
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 22, 2018, 03:51:10 AM
Yeah man. Be objective about. Holgate had completely lost his head after giving away the penalty. Easy to see how he couldíve misinterpreted something or worse lied to try and deflect attention from his own misbehaviour. Iím not going to pretend just because Holgate is one of ours that heís of some superior moral character than Firminho. Ultimately on balance if you had to ask me itís far more likely that there was nothing racist actually said than there was.

Got to be honest mate, I'm the complete opposite.
I've witnessed police do absolutely fuck all when someone gets called a black cunt in front of them.

I'd imagine 99% of racist abuse doesn't get reported, and it wouldn't surprise me if 99% of the reported cases don't end up with prosecution.
Very seldom does somone lie about being the victim of racist abuse.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: blue slug on February 22, 2018, 03:54:12 AM
Got to be honest mate, I'm the complete opposite.
I've witnessed police do absolutely fuck all when someone gets called a black cunt in front of them.

I'd imagine 99% of racist abuse doesn't get reported, and it wouldn't surprise me if 99% of the reported cases don't end up with prosecution.
Very seldom does somone lie about being the victim of racist abuse.

Agree with that 100% mate
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: mikey_blue on February 22, 2018, 04:00:22 AM
He was absolutely fine and level headed until Firmino said something so you can only think it must of been offensive or abusive

He pushed him over a barrier first, thatís not very level headed. He might of realised that heíd fucked up and throws shade at Firmino to take the focus off him. Thereís always two sides of the story. Let it lie. Good result for both parties.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 22, 2018, 04:02:24 AM
Nah, mate.

He was cool as a cucumber, then Firminoís chat sent him barmy.

No chance he made it up.

I donít think he was that cool. Heíd lost his head, and was then for a moment pretending to be all innocent and quiet knowing heíd just done wrong to try and not get sent off. He was hardly chill.

I just donít understand why everyone is so quick to assume Firminho said something racist, but finds it inconceivable Holgate would do something equally poor.

Why is one of them more likely to be the villain here then? Because he plays for Liverpool? Or because heís foreign?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 22, 2018, 04:02:29 AM
Good result for both parties.

Really?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ross on February 22, 2018, 04:08:49 AM
If Holgate has the acumen turn that situation to his advantage in a split second with such cunning and ingenuity we need to either get him on the touchline as the manager or a starring role in the Black Panther sequel.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on February 22, 2018, 04:14:24 AM
Let's clear one thing up here, Holgate didn't play the racist card to save himself from getting sent off, nobody would do that
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 22, 2018, 04:16:47 AM
Got to be honest mate, I'm the complete opposite.
I've witnessed police do absolutely fuck all when someone gets called a black cunt in front of them.

I'd imagine 99% of racist abuse doesn't get reported, and it wouldn't surprise me if 99% of the reported cases don't end up with prosecution.
Very seldom does somone lie about being the victim of racist abuse.

If I was putting money on it, Id say I think he probably misheard Firminho.

Thereís no evidence of anything racist being said despite all the cameras, no one as far as we know backing up the allegations despite lots of players nearby. Kenny, the ref, two RS players were right there when Firminho said whatever he said when the camera view was blocked. None of them reacted in a way that suggests anything untoward was said. The FAs have investigated and found nothing.

Iím not saying I think Holgate made it up. Iím saying I think itís about as likely that he did as it is that Firmino actually said something racist.

Obviously I donít know and may be wrong. But what is bollocks and frankly embarrassing is all this Liverpool/FA conspiracy coverup nonsense.  The shite had their best player banned for being racist.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on February 22, 2018, 04:18:45 AM
What was said has been lost in translation
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: phillyt on February 22, 2018, 06:00:09 AM
Holgate absolutely felt he had heard something racist. The ref could have cleared this up straight away. He was stood between them. Itís fair to assume he knew exactly what was said. At the moment holgate said ďhe called me a n****rĒ the ref could have said ďno he didnít he said......Ē

The thing Iíve never understood about the claims he played the race card to avoid getting sent off is that with all the cameras there and the ref between them he would have ďknownĒ he would be caught out.
Itís nice though to see Liverpool and their fans completely exonerated though, itís like none of them actually did racially abuse holgate afterwards or anything.
The cultists are pursuing the party line that he nearly killed firmino again which is laughable. Not to mention the ďhomophobicĒ tweets they dragged up. They will not be resting till heís in prison for attempted murder and banned for life because of the tweets. 😂😂
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on February 22, 2018, 02:26:27 PM
I donít think he was that cool. Heíd lost his head, and was then for a moment pretending to be all innocent and quiet knowing heíd just done wrong to try and not get sent off. He was hardly chill.

I just donít understand why everyone is so quick to assume Firminho said something racist, but finds it inconceivable Holgate would do something equally poor.

Why is one of them more likely to be the villain here then? Because he plays for Liverpool? Or because heís foreign?

Both.

LFC have previous for supporting a player that used racist language, and even after he was charged with it, they STILL support him.

And he was South Anerican too, and Iíve known many South Americanís, and the majority of those have flagrantly used racist language and phrases.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 22, 2018, 06:13:31 PM
I believe Mason Holgate. Period, end of.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 22, 2018, 06:29:05 PM
Be interesting to see the handshakes before kick-off in the derby if they both start.

Holgate was very sure of what he heard at the time and to suggest he made up a racism claim on the spot to deflect from his push is honestly the maddest shout ever.

I reckon it's likely that he's misheard Firmino but he was 100% right to report it and some of the reactions to Holgate from their fans has been disgusting.

Especially when you consider the same thing happened to Rhian Brewster recently who was rightly commended for coming forward.  That was another situation where the ref ''didn't hear it''
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on February 22, 2018, 06:32:46 PM
The backlash and abuse Holgate is now getting could act as a deterrent for any other young players who think they've been racially abused on the pitch.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Escla on February 22, 2018, 06:33:37 PM
I believe Mason Holgate. Period, end of.
Bit off topic now but when I see your avatar it tells me how  Trump would like to see School teachers in the classroom, how scary is that !
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 22, 2018, 06:55:16 PM
Bit off topic now but when I see your avatar it tells me how  Trump would like to see School teachers in the classroom, how scary is that !

Youíd do your fuckin homework though, eh?
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: formerKHL on February 22, 2018, 07:04:10 PM
I would rather believe what ever was shouted was shouted by one of their "fans" in the crowd...

after all... and lets face it they're not the brightest bunch are they...the irony of calling one of our black players a fkking n***** when its one of their black players going after him, would be totally lost on them...

lets all move on....
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Toddacelli on February 22, 2018, 08:38:51 PM

Can't go a day without seeing some sort of faux outrage over something.



It's not just that though bud - if something crosses your path it is one thing - everyone is entitled to think/feel whatever they want - it's the ones who look for it deliberately so they can cry (like you said) "faux outrage" because they enjoy it. The even more sinister side is - where they CHOOSE to look for it. These are not everyday 'oh this just happened to me' occurrences. These are targeted 'what can I find about this person/organisation/topic that will suit my already pre-ordained agenda?'
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 22, 2018, 08:56:12 PM
Good thing he didn't bite him with them teeth. Fuckin light sabres!


Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on February 22, 2018, 10:35:06 PM
Since when did pushing someone into the crowd become such a big fucking deal as well btw?

Not great like but it’s hardly the assault the goblins are making out.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 22, 2018, 11:00:02 PM
Since when did pushing someone into the crowd become such a big fucking deal as well btw?

Not great like but itís hardly the assault the goblins are making out.

Pushed him into an advertising hoarding. Not hard to see how that couldíve ended in an injury. It was idiotic, though in my opinion born out of Masonís anger at himself and loss of composure, rather than anything malicious. But if it happened to one of our players people on here wouldíve been frothing at the mouth demanding a red. 
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: brap2 on February 22, 2018, 11:34:17 PM
Pushed him into an advertising hoarding. Not hard to see how that couldíve ended in an injury. It was idiotic, though in my opinion born out of Masonís anger at himself and loss of composure, rather than anything malicious. But if it happened to one of our players people on here wouldíve been frothing at the mouth demanding a red. 

Gobshitey move and wouldnít have blinked at a card but it wasnít exactly a two footer was it.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 23, 2018, 02:51:46 PM
As with anything that involves them it gets over exaggerated and a huge deal made out of it.

Mane's red card at City still gets brought up anytime someone slightly raises their boot ffs.

Not to go all tin foil hat but is it any surprise when they have such a big presence in the media with ex players etc
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Toffee1 on February 23, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
As with anything that involves them it gets over exaggerated and a huge deal made out of it.

Mane's red card at City still gets brought up anytime someone slightly raises their boot ffs.

Not to go all tin foil hat but is it any surprise when they have such a big presence in the media with ex players etc

It is the same when a team makes a comeback in a game - their win in Istanbul, is always the go to example but the Newcastle comeback against Arsenal is never mentioned.

This morning, on Radio 5, they were harping on about Eddie Jones comments about Scotland's stye of play, because they are still irked by his reaction to one of their interviewers a couple of weeks ago. However, it is never brought up how rude and difficult, Klopp has been in a number of interviews this season. Instead they always say, what a nice guy he is - the man is as rude as the best of them but gets away with it.

However, the only thing that hardly gets a mention/has been sanitised by the media, is Heysel.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 07, 2018, 06:04:56 PM
Liverpool fans in complete uproar cos the young lads case against the Russian has been dropped.

An Everton fan has asked if we can call him a liar too........ Booooooooommm
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bally on March 07, 2018, 06:09:29 PM
Liverpool fans in complete uproar cos the young lads case against the Russian has been dropped.

An Everton fan has asked if we can call him a liar too........ Booooooooommm
Funny isn't it

Cunts
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 07, 2018, 06:11:01 PM
Funny isn't it

Cunts
A club that was booing evra and singing Suarez to him last week are no outraged by racism
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: School of Science on March 07, 2018, 06:12:41 PM
Also Mason Holgate's homophobic tweets from when he was 15, have been dropped according to the Echo. Not defending this in any way, but young people make mistakes and should be educated not prosecuted in my view. Looks like Liverpool fans will have to dig deeper to get a ban for Mason.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Ross on March 07, 2018, 06:19:41 PM
Also Mason Holgate's homophobic tweets from when he was 15, have been dropped according to the Echo. Not defending this in any way, but young people make mistakes and should be educated not prosecuted in my view. Looks like Liverpool fans will have to dig deeper to get a ban for Mason.

All concludes rather neatly...
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on March 07, 2018, 06:35:01 PM
Liverpool fans in complete uproar cos the young lads case against the Russian has been dropped.

An Everton fan has asked if we can call him a liar too........ Booooooooommm

Loads having a meltdown on twitter, its quite funny
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 07, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
Pushed him into an advertising hoarding. Not hard to see how that couldíve ended in an injury. It was idiotic, though in my opinion born out of Masonís anger at himself and loss of composure, rather than anything malicious. But if it happened to one of our players people on here wouldíve been frothing at the mouth demanding a red.


Nah i still blame Davies for egging Holgate on.. Holgate was runnin to the bi line with Firminho infront of him.. He saw Davies' big smiley face.... i think they where trying to play catch..
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on March 07, 2018, 07:12:05 PM
They're now sayings the two incidents are completely different, Holgate played the race card to stop himself from getting sent off, Brewster was definatley racially abused, even though the Uefa report states they interviewed a number of players from both sides and they all said they didn't hear anything, weird eh!
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on March 07, 2018, 08:20:23 PM
They're now sayings the two incidents are completely different, Holgate played the race card to stop himself from getting sent off, Brewster was definatley racially abused, even though the Uefa report states they interviewed a number of players from both sides and they all said they didn't hear anything, weird eh!

Worst club and set of supporters on the planet
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: gizzblue on March 07, 2018, 11:37:35 PM
Justice served 😅😅...hypocrisy in red 😅
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Macca77 on March 08, 2018, 05:12:34 PM
Not a single mention of Holgate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43315361
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 08, 2018, 05:15:24 PM
Not a single mention of Holgate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43315361

Someone tweet Kick It Out and ask for their views/comments on the Holgate incident
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: Bally on March 08, 2018, 05:16:08 PM
Not a single mention of Holgate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43315361
Don't remember seeing this much about the Holgate incident either
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: sam of the south on March 08, 2018, 08:44:53 PM
The hypocrisy all over this is awful, especially from the media.

And, Everton didnít back Mason enough.
Title: Re: Firmino/Holgate incident
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 09, 2018, 01:19:35 AM
It was always going nowhere..