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Title: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Shogun on January 14, 2018, 11:58:41 PM
No doubt that we were a mess under him this season, conceding a ridiculous amount of goals but when you look at where we've ended up since sacking him, would you rather we'd have just kept with him until he got his striker in January or are we definitely doing better now?
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: fubarruk on January 15, 2018, 12:02:41 AM
I'd argue we'd be no better or worse off than we are now, he needed a striker.

At least with Koeman in charge I'd have a slice of optimism, Allardyce in charge offers absolutely nothing but mediocrity and boredom.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Simon Paul on January 15, 2018, 12:06:05 AM
Can't wait to see how this one goes

I'm a no by the way
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: gizzblue on January 15, 2018, 12:06:42 AM
As much as I hate to say it ......frying pan to fire ...is us.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: sam of the south on January 15, 2018, 12:06:51 AM
My god, no.

We would be sunk without trace by now, in my opinion.

He had no hold over those players whatsover.

And our players aren't that good to begin with anyway, so if they are also unorganised and unmotivated (like they were under Koeman) they were getting relegated.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Mac934 on January 15, 2018, 12:10:26 AM
 :smug:cDefinitely not, we were going down and quickly under him. Don't know if it's a big improvement with who we have.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: everton1952 on January 15, 2018, 12:12:24 AM
There was bound to be some "joker" no doubt tongue in cheek to ask this. We should have done everything to keep Moyes. That was the start of our downfall. Look at Moyes now. That is ridiculous I know, but in tune with the question, why not reply with something stupid? On the other hand Roberto was harshly dealt with, and the treatment of the fabulous Unsie was a disgrace.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Shogun on January 15, 2018, 12:12:43 AM
Think about it though... all that's happened since is that we've continued to be shite away from home and continued to be shite against the top teams.

Pretty similar to Koeman. Granted we lost at home to Burnley but they are 7th this season and were flying at that point.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 15, 2018, 12:13:20 AM
Yes without a doubt...genius.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Shogun on January 15, 2018, 12:13:32 AM
There was bound to be some "joker" no doubt tongue in cheek to ask this. We should have done everything to keep Moyes. That was the start of our downfall. Look at Moyes now. That is ridiculous I know, but in tune with the question, why not reply with something stupid? On the other hand Roberto was harshly dealt with, and the treatment of the fabulous Unsie was a disgrace.

Did Sam at least take you to dinner first this time?
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: everton1952 on January 15, 2018, 12:17:39 AM
Not yet. I am waiting for when he wins us the PL and then what a feast that will be.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 12:17:58 AM
I voted yes because we are about where I think we’d have been anyway, so this would be less upheaval.

I still want someone new in the summer like.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 15, 2018, 12:18:19 AM
I'd argue we were never as bad under Martinez as we have been under our either Koeman, Unsworth or Allardyce, but that's another story.

Whilst the sacking was probably a bit premature for Koeman, he would have always been just a couple of losses away from the sack, he just wasn't the right fit and I'm glad we got rid, I do however think we should have binned Walsh off at the same time and stayed a million miles away from Allardyce.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: everton1952 on January 15, 2018, 12:27:16 AM
I like Sam, there something about him.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: School of Science on January 15, 2018, 12:30:45 AM
Moyes isn't doing bad at West Ham is he  ? Said at the time I would rather of had Moyes. One thing is for sure Koeman had to go and maybe Walsh right with him.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 15, 2018, 12:32:04 AM
We were backed into a corner by the players deciding they didn't like Koeman and therefore stopping trying. It got to the point were our only choice was to sack him.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Cozzie on January 15, 2018, 12:33:09 AM
Should have kept Moyes.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: blargins on January 15, 2018, 12:33:31 AM
There was bound to be some "joker" no doubt tongue in cheek to ask this. We should have done everything to keep Moyes. That was the start of our downfall. Look at Moyes now. That is ridiculous I know, but in tune with the question, why not reply with something stupid? On the other hand Roberto was harshly dealt with, and the treatment of the fabulous Unsie was a disgrace.
Moyes was two seasons past his best. It was right he went. But our search for a successor is proving very difficult.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 15, 2018, 12:34:04 AM
It's not good when all we have to discuss is the varying degrees of shitness we are or would have been with various managers over the last years...
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: bogie on January 15, 2018, 12:38:06 AM
hell no

this might sound odd but even some of them big home wins last year were not that great and helped hide just how bad it was

the City game was good but
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 15, 2018, 12:42:29 AM
He'd lost the players and fans and didnt look like he cared.

He had to go, but his replacement should have been handled better.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: bogie on January 15, 2018, 12:42:33 AM
Moyes was two seasons past his best. It was right he went. But our search for a successor is proving very difficult.

not past his best ,past the I wonder if I could
for sure he had been told he was getting the man u job signing a short deal that run out just as he got the job
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: TheTone on January 15, 2018, 12:53:30 AM
I would say no but the powers that be well and truly bottled it at the time , I remember feeling I wanted moyes out loads of times but Bill and the board kept faith during those shit times and it didn't turn into a disaster

They basically sacked him off with no plan in place for his replacement and cost the club a shit load of money in the process

Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 12:54:06 AM
Have to say though whoever we had in charge would struggle.

One of the worst equipped squads for modern era football in the prem I think. Our worst and least athletic back four for 15 years+
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Juanito on January 15, 2018, 01:21:49 AM
Have to say though whoever we had in charge would struggle.

One of the worst equipped squads for modern era football in the prem I think. Our worst and least athletic back four for 15 years+


Reminded me of Richard Gough at the back but he did a good job.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 15, 2018, 01:36:20 AM
No, we just should of
a) had a replacement lined up then or
b) Not panicked and got in Alladyce like a gang of cunts.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Lazarou on January 15, 2018, 01:40:21 AM
No he was right to be sacked. Unfortunately we have made at sideways step at best. The custodians of our club are having a mare and have done for some time.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Shogun on January 15, 2018, 01:44:06 AM
No doubt that we were a mess under him this season, conceding a ridiculous amount of goals but when you look at where we've ended up since sacking him, would you rather we'd have just kept with him until he got his striker in January or are we definitely doing better now?

So 19/23 think we're definitely better off with Allardyce now?

Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: ajax_andy on January 15, 2018, 01:51:14 AM
He didn't care... Didn't get what he wanted in the summer, gave up and waited to be sacked so he could take his huge payout and bugger off to play golf.  If we'd kept him there wouldn't have been a sudden turnaround as he wasn't interested and the players could tell.

Where we want wrong was appointing Allardyce, not sacking Koeman
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Major Clanger on January 15, 2018, 01:55:31 AM
So 19/23 think we're definitely better off with Allardyce now?

Of course we're better off. And as soon as Allardyce returns to his defence first approach, we'll start picking up points again.

Though that wasn't really the question, Koeman simply had to go, who we brought in instead is a different question.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 15, 2018, 01:58:58 AM
It's a no from me. It shows you how inept the board are tho that this question is even a debate
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: D3blue on January 15, 2018, 02:18:34 AM
Def right to get rid of him ..he failed to deliver a striker, the 1 task he really had to deliver on, despite knowing long before the summer that Lukaku was off...
But maybe Walsh was responsible for that....
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Heisenberg on January 15, 2018, 02:25:15 AM
We bit the bullet to early with allardyce. I thought we was starting to look alright under unsworth, specially his last game! He could have kept us up and it would have been absolutely fantastic to not have Allardyce ruin every weekend for me. We was actually scoring decent amounts of goals under him too
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: velimski on January 15, 2018, 02:25:35 AM
Never in a million years.

The first 2 or 3 months of the season were the grimmest I've ever witnessed since watching Everton. And that includes the Mike Walker era too.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: ajax_andy on January 15, 2018, 02:45:18 AM
We bit the bullet to early with allardyce. I thought we was starting to look alright under unsworth, specially his last game! He could have kept us up and it would have been absolutely fantastic to not have Allardyce ruin every weekend for me. We was actually scoring decent amounts of goals under him too

Allardyce was sat in the stands, they weren't playing for Unsworth that game, they were playing for the new manager
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 15, 2018, 02:46:32 AM
No definitely not. He was part of the decision makers that let our only striker go without having a definite replacement lined up, signed zero left backs, Martina, Klassen and Sandro. Started the season badly and then gradually transformed us into a steaming pile of shit.

We're not looking great at the moment after getting spanked by a few of the top teams, but I don't think Koeman or Unsworth would have got us that decent little unbeaten run that dragged us out of the shit.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Heisenberg on January 15, 2018, 02:47:12 AM
Allardyce was sat in the stands, they weren't playing for Unsworth that game, they were playing for the new manager

I keep hearing this but that's a load of bullshit. In my opinion like. Unsworths team, Unsworths tactics, Unsworths team talks. Nothing to do with Allardyce
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: ajax_andy on January 15, 2018, 02:51:46 AM
I keep hearing this but that's a load of bullshit. In my opinion like. Unsworths team, Unsworths tactics, Unsworths team talks. Nothing to do with Allardyce

It's nothing to do with that, players finally bucked up their ideas when someone with real authority was watching over them, they were playing for their futures
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Shogun on January 15, 2018, 03:15:23 AM
Does the striker situation lie at his door?

He put pressure on the board/Walsh to sign a striker and CB during his press conferences in the last week of the window.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: everton1952 on January 15, 2018, 03:21:26 AM
Oh bless the cotton socks of the Unsie fans.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: ally2 on January 15, 2018, 03:21:46 AM
Well yeah obviously!
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 15, 2018, 03:22:41 AM
Does the striker situation lie at his door?

He put pressure on the board/Walsh to sign a striker and CB during his press conferences in the last week of the window.

Who knows. The DoF situation has just confused things, but the people who were in the know chose to sack Koeman and not Walsh.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: blueski on January 15, 2018, 03:23:09 AM
Does the striker situation lie at his door?

He put pressure on the board/Walsh to sign a striker and CB during his press conferences in the last week of the window.
Probably not. But after he didn't get one it did seem like he cared very little about his job.

Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Waltzer on January 15, 2018, 03:26:39 AM
Never wanted him to go so its a yes from me. It was clear what the issues were, we needed a striker and a left back. He stated it on numerous occasions and wasn't wrong. I still find out hard to take that he was the scapegoat and the only one to lose their job despite him clearly highlighted the issues we had, which were true. He could've done things better for sure but I still had confidence.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Heisenberg on January 15, 2018, 03:28:13 AM
It's nothing to do with that, players finally bucked up their ideas when someone with real authority was watching over them, they were playing for their futures

Maybe we should appoint a new manager every game then
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 03:33:07 AM
Def right to get rid of him ..he failed to deliver a striker, the 1 task he really had to deliver on, despite knowing long before the summer that Lukaku was off...
But maybe Walsh was responsible for that....

Honestly not playing Devils ad’ here, but that’s surely walsh’s fault.

Koeman couldn’t have been clearer - I hope business is not done because we need a left sided defender and a striker.

We didn’t get either.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: ajax_andy on January 15, 2018, 03:34:12 AM
Maybe we should appoint a new manager every game then


Would be better just to appoint a good one 😜
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: toffee_scot on January 15, 2018, 05:50:19 AM
No we shouldn't have kept Koeman:

Koeman ultimately demonstrated that he didn't have a clue how to get a performance out of a squad made up of many of his own players. Some might say they were Steve Walsh signings but both individuals would have discussed transfer targets to suit Koeman's football (whatever the hell that was supposed to be) and Koeman pretty much sanctioned all the signings. Every signing that arrived, he explained why he was happy to bring them on board.

In many games, he kept chopping and changing the starting lineup which meant we went through many defensive lineup changes and some very strange rotation policy which meant very few of the players except for maybe Leighton Baines (who had zero competition for his position) and Jordan Pickford knew their role or value in the team. How the fuck we couldn't get a victory at home to a Cypriot team (not even the best one) is just unforgivable.

From what I understand, just before his last game against Arsenal, he was shouting instructions for the team to go "long ball". Apparently Moshiri said during the AGM that Koeman had to go because he couldn't get things to work. After investing about £150m in the squad that summer we found ourselves 18th by the end of October with no visible sign of improvement and a style of football which had been poor and uninspiring to watch even though Koeman said at the beginning of his tenure that it would take about 3 transfer windows for the "project" to really take shape.

As for @Shogun (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) comment about whether Allardyce is a better manager: Relative to Koeman I would say at this moment in time for Everton...yes. Under Koeman we were 18th and with Allardyce, albeit with some fortune and help of other teams being extremely shit, we are 9th. However, I think we are in an extremely sad state of affairs that we find ourselves in this position where the board have been exposed for a lack of planning and direction, over a month's search and they end up going for the most uninspiring and unimaginative option available.

I've tried giving Allardyce the benefit of the doubt but this is the most anti-football side I have ever seen and I'm resigned to the fact that the football will continue to be atrocious. But despite this recent poor form, I expect that he will stabilise things and we won't see a huge drop into the relegation zone like we saw under Koeman.

From the sound of things, it sounds like Koeman is in no rush at all to get back to football management despite a few job offers and he said that being sacked from Everton was one of his biggest disappointments as a manager. I think the Everton experience might have severely dented his confidence and made him question his ability. He knew he was struggling to control this team despite so much investment put into it. He couldn't put it right, but with Allardyce I expect that he is someone who is much better equipped to deal with massive downturns in form like the one we are going through.

I might be asking too much but I just fucking hope that the top echelons of the club are analysing the situation and trying to come up with a proper long term solution so we get out of this firefighting mode once and for all.           
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Ridge on January 15, 2018, 07:17:13 AM
No, when a manager has lost his credibility it needs to be done, it's hard to clean the shit off yourself and get on with the job in a dignified manner, he looked a frazzled shell at the end. We had about 20 games in 3 months, and Unsworth still had to play 8 in 5 weeks. Koeman was trying to blend a squad made up of 1/3 players from last seasons, 1/3 new transfers and 1/3 younger players into teams playing in 3 separate competitions. It's not just juggling the different players and trying to find working solutions, but less time for each player to settle, develop or understand each other.

I think you have to respect that at Southampton, Koeman was able to deal with wholesale changes to the team each summer. They coped better than many expected. But add in european fixtures, I think the focus he put into Europa and the failure broke his spirit. We had similar examples with Moyes selling and then over achieving, finding ourselves near bottom of the league because of european fixtures and then picking up points when less games. But he didn't have a DoF breathing down his neck or the worst European league campaign by an English team from a position of high expectations and spending.

Koeman and Allardyce are pretty similar really, and it's a struggle to know who I like least. Koeman's sides tend to be more expansive and comfortable in possession, we would play across the back and look to work angles. It's not exactly fluid movement or free flowing, but under Allardyce when in good form, we seemingly choose to crawl back up our own arse against relegation candidates. Moyes and Koeman only did that at big clubs, against lesser clubs he'd try to dictate or have a plan how to attack, when he lost the ability to do so, Koeman gave up hope, Allardyce seems relatively nonplussed about how shit we are with the ball.

Conceding the initiative is all well and good, if you have some sort of cunning plans up your sleeve like Leicester did that one glorious season. When the next stage of the plan is lump a ball to an isolated front man to contest another pointless header, as the players independently stand around, its working like a charm but unsurprising not providing many goals or chances. Jagielka has been making forward runs in recent games, because he can see how little we've got going on up top.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 15, 2018, 07:59:20 AM
Should never have appointed him.  Martinez should have been given more time.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: kramer0 on January 15, 2018, 08:20:22 AM
It's awful that there's even a debate to be had over whether sacking two (!!) clueless managers was a good idea.

I miss the days where I could laugh at clubs like QPR for doing embarrassing things with money. We're the joke now and it's not funny.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 04:11:42 PM
If Koeman had got his centre/left back and centre forward he'd still be in a job now. I also think with a dominant striker up top we would have got more out of Klaassan too. Koeman might have been a miserable fucker and always on the verge of not being arsed but he did understand football, having been one of the best in the world in said sport.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: BlueForYou on January 16, 2018, 09:10:34 PM
Yes - sacked him too soon, however:

Players didn't support him

Fans gave up on him

Board couldn't see the wood for the trees

Result: You end up with what you deserve and we deserve Allardyce

Happy?
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Confucius on January 16, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
I like Sam, there something about him.

It's flies mate, there is always flies close to shit.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Everton Mint on January 17, 2018, 12:58:25 AM
Its now at the point where any manager isnt going to transform us into a great team UNTIL Moshiri gets serious and spends a fortune on really top players.

But not only hasnt he spent big... we have replaced a £75m striker Lukaku with a £25m one.

That tells you everything.  We are going nowhere but backwards.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Martip on January 21, 2018, 07:30:03 PM
Absolutely not despite this terrible run. I am struggling to find many positives at all with his scattergun signings and we are left with the fallout.

Pickford- done ok but paid too much
Williams -terrible
Martina - I won't even go there
Keane - terrible business at 30m
Morgan - horrible wage stealer
Bolasie - 28m show pony
Gilf - good player but at 45m terrible value
Rooney - done ok in terms of goals/impact but has impacted our game  by slowing the play down too much (as he had done at utd for years prior to signing)
Vlasic- knee jerk signing based on the game in the Europawhere we made him look good
Gana- really good value for money
Klassen- meant to be our Erikssen....turned out to be Eric the banan a man
Lookman- made no impact really

It's laughable how bad a job he and our DOF did together.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
Its now at the point where any manager isnt going to transform us into a great team UNTIL Moshiri gets serious and spends a fortune on really top players.

But not only hasnt he spent big... we have replaced a £75m striker Lukaku with a £25m one.

That tells you everything.  We are going nowhere but backwards.

Give it a rest man. We've just been piss poor in our recruitment and planning. We were never going to replace a £75m striker with a £75m striker but where we fell down is we wasted a lot of money on peripheral players without rebuilding a solid spine to the team.   
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Martip on January 21, 2018, 07:38:45 PM
Give it a rest man. We've just been piss poor in our recruitment and planning. We were never going to replace a £75m striker with a £75m striker but where we fell down is we wasted a lot of money on peripheral players without rebuilding a solid spine to the team.
Moshri has made funds available hasn't he.....his downfall has been the Muppets he's entrusted to spend it.

It's a valid point ref a 75m striker as anyone worth that much would currently not come to us as we are terrible.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Ridge on January 21, 2018, 07:41:12 PM
A 7th placed team spending £180m, £70m net, and ending up looking like a team that deserves a relegation battle, the problem is not a lack of funds from owner.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 21, 2018, 07:44:59 PM
Definitely and we shouldn't have knee jerked into appointing Allardyce . You could name 10 Managers who wouldn't be good enough and they would all be better than Allardyce . That for me would include Hughes , Silva , McClaren , Hodgson , Puel , Van Gaal , Dyche , Rodgers without even trying too hard . Shambolic .
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 21, 2018, 07:49:21 PM
Nah we'd have been in real danger of going down under him as he'd lost the players.

Not that we're much better off now but we'll 'probably' stay up.

Lost all confidence in the club at the minute, can see us finishing around the 40 point mark around 14th in the table

Something has to change in the summer, been a fucking horrible season this
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Ridge on January 21, 2018, 08:07:46 PM
Definitely and we shouldn't have knee jerked into appointing Allardyce . You could name 10 Managers who wouldn't be good enough and they would all be better than Allardyce . That for me would include Hughes , Silva , McClaren , Hodgson , Puel , Van Gaal , Dyche , Rodgers without even trying too hard . Shambolic .

I agree with the @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) 's premise that Koeman is a better manager than most those managers or many of the options we have. His problem was that he wanted to build play, have some possession and we had no experienced players who could do that in the setup that Koeman has always played. Even though they might seem a good fit, it's been tried and it failed in current circumstances, he might be a better manager than others, but we know it doesn't work and nothing has changed since.

Would have taken LVG, he's always tended to blood younger players and has often left a very good base for the next manager to inherit. He has a better range of systems and styles than most of them, so think he could have found a way to make something work. Plus he would potentially enable a better quality of signing than Koeman, Allardyce could attract, and has unfinished business from United spell.

I think the way out of the circumstances was to improve recruitment, which we couldn't do in September/October, and or find a manager who could utilise the squad in a different way, different formation, play more younger players etc. What we've gone for is a poor copy of Koeman, who is more agricultural and even more hard arsed.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Bally on January 22, 2018, 05:51:16 AM
No doubt that we were a mess under him this season, conceding a ridiculous amount of goals but when you look at where we've ended up since sacking him, would you rather we'd have just kept with him until he got his striker in January or are we definitely doing better now?
No we shouldn't have kept him.
I'd rather have a shitty stick rammed down my urethra
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Shogun on January 22, 2018, 06:05:18 AM
No we shouldn't have kept him.
I'd rather have a shitty stick rammed down my urethra

Think I’d take that over Allardyce
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Bally on January 22, 2018, 06:26:40 AM
Think I'd take that over Allardyce
Oh I'd rather have a hot shitty stick with splinters than the fucking dinosaur
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Redartin on January 22, 2018, 07:01:14 AM
Here are the last nine results of our last four managers. I picked nine matches because Unsworth only managed for nine:

Martinez.  P 9.    W 0.    D 4.    L 5.    Pts 4     The outcome - sacked.

Koeman.  P 9.    W 2.    D 2.    L 5.    Pts 8.     The outcome - sacked.

Unsworth. P 9.    W 3.    D 1.    L 5.    Pts 10.   The outcome - replaced.

Alldardyce P 9.    W2.    D 3.    L 4.    Pts 11.   

The outcome - we were right to get rid of both Martinez and Koeman, but we are no better off now because of the shit appointment of Big Sam. I added Unsworth to the mix because he was a novice who a lot thought wasn't good enough for the big time yet he was every bit as shit, and as good, as the rest, including Mr 1000 games I've never been relegated.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: dunkster on January 23, 2018, 05:29:36 AM
Does that include a win for SA on the day he signed, stood up with kenwright and moshiri?
And am I write in thinking he won a game just a couple of days later when you could argue he hadnt really influenced anything yet?
I seem to recall an article questioning whether we could have held on a bit longer as we had picked up points without Sam doing much.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: brap2 on January 23, 2018, 05:43:32 AM
Here are the last nine results of our last four managers. I picked nine matches because Unsworth only managed for nine:

Martinez.  P 9.    W 0.    D 4.    L 5.    Pts 4     The outcome - sacked.

Koeman.  P 9.    W 2.    D 2.    L 5.    Pts 8.     The outcome - sacked.

Unsworth. P 9.    W 3.    D 1.    L 5.    Pts 10.   The outcome - replaced.

Alldardyce P 9.    W2.    D 3.    L 4.    Pts 11.   

The outcome - we were right to get rid of both Martinez and Koeman, but we are no better off now because of the shit appointment of Big Sam. I added Unsworth to the mix because he was a novice who a lot thought wasn't good enough for the big time yet he was every bit as shit, and as good, as the rest, including Mr 1000 games I've never been relegated.

Dat new manager slump
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Redartin on January 23, 2018, 07:03:25 PM
Does that include a win for SA on the day he signed, stood up with kenwright and moshiri?
And am I write in thinking he won a game just a couple of days later when you could argue he hadnt really influenced anything yet?
I seem to recall an article questioning whether we could have held on a bit longer as we had picked up points without Sam doing much.
No, that only includes his last 9 matches. the game your talking about is in Unsworth's figures.
Again, I only used the last 9 matches for each because that is all the games Unsworth had.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: toffee_scot on January 24, 2018, 01:31:36 AM
Here are the last nine results of our last four managers. I picked nine matches because Unsworth only managed for nine:

Martinez.  P 9.    W 0.    D 4.    L 5.    Pts 4     The outcome - sacked.

Koeman.  P 9.    W 2.    D 2.    L 5.    Pts 8.     The outcome - sacked.

Unsworth. P 9.    W 3.    D 1.    L 5.    Pts 10.   The outcome - replaced.

Alldardyce P 9.    W2.    D 3.    L 4.    Pts 11.   

I could only count 8 games and 2 wins that Unsworth managed, are you including the Norwich game after Martinez left because there was quite a bit of time between those 2 periods.

Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: Redartin on January 24, 2018, 03:48:10 AM
I could only count 8 games and 2 wins that Unsworth managed, are you including the Norwich game after Martinez left because there was quite a bit of time between those 2 periods.
I did count it, because in fairness to him he made changes that day and got a result from a team that only got 4 points from their previous 9 matches.
Title: Re: Should we have kept Koeman?
Post by: sirblue57 on January 24, 2018, 04:00:34 AM
Should never have appointed him.  Martinez should have been given more time.

FUCK OFF!!!!!
that Charlaton should never have been near the club..another half arsed flavour of the month appointment.
What the fuck is wrong with both the club and supporters that these appointments keep happening, and when we get rid some as t them back/complain they never had enough time?
That fuckwit would have gotten us relegated, Koeman was another shitty choice..but even they pale in comparison to the glorified saviour that is Sam fucking boring hoofball allerdyce.
This is a pathetic debate, as usual, we have a board that talks the talk, but cannot deliver through sheet ineptitude and lack of balls.

Fucking Everton for the.last 20 years though.