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Title: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Waltzer on February 04, 2018, 02:54:27 PM
Being reported a few places

Man Utd target £50m Everton ace Jordan Pickford as David de Gea Real Madrid exit looms

The Everton stopper has rapidly moved up Jose Mourinho’s list of replacements for his current No 1 after a string of timpressive performances this season.

Although Pickford conceded five goals to Arsenal yesterday but could arguably only be blamed for Aaron Ramsey's long-range deflected effort.

The Toffees paid Sunderland £30m to secure the 23-year-old’s services back in June last year.

But Everton would look to make a £20m profit on the England international if United come calling.

Real Madrid have pursued De Gea for a number of seasons and were only denied capturing him by a broken fax machine in 2015.

And while that drama looms once more, The Sun claim United have their sights set firmly on the Spaniard’s potential successor in Pickford.

De Gea has kept 90 clean sheets in 226 top-flight performances for Manchester United.

His performance in the Red Devils’ 3-1 win over Arsenal easrlier this season was one of the greatest ever by a gloveman in the Premier League.

Current Real Madrid goalkeeper Keylor Navas says he wouldn't be too concerned if Los Blancos signed another shot-stopper in the summer.

"I am calm because one day I will have to go," he said after the 2-2 draw with his former side Levante on Saturday evening.
"Nobody will last for ever and only God knows when [I will leave].

"I give my all in every training and in every match, so I have to live with that.

"I don't know if the club have doubts about me, I only know that I still have a contract and I will remain calm.

"If Real Madrid were to sign a goalkeeper in the future and let him compete with me then I would like that and it wouldn't intimidate me."
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: sam of the south on February 04, 2018, 03:07:59 PM
Being reported a few places

Man Utd target £50m Everton ace Jordan Pickford as David de Gea Real Madrid exit looms

The Everton stopper has rapidly moved up Jose Mourinho’s list of replacements for his current No 1 after a string of timpressive performances this season.

Although Pickford conceded five goals to Arsenal yesterday but could arguably only be blamed for Aaron Ramsey's long-range deflected effort.

The Toffees paid Sunderland £30m to secure the 23-year-old’s services back in June last year.

But Everton would look to make a £20m profit on the England international if United come calling.

Real Madrid have pursued De Gea for a number of seasons and were only denied capturing him by a broken fax machine in 2015.

And while that drama looms once more, The Sun claim United have their sights set firmly on the Spaniard’s potential successor in Pickford.

De Gea has kept 90 clean sheets in 226 top-flight performances for Manchester United.

His performance in the Red Devils’ 3-1 win over Arsenal easrlier this season was one of the greatest ever by a gloveman in the Premier League.

Current Real Madrid goalkeeper Keylor Navas says he wouldn't be too concerned if Los Blancos signed another shot-stopper in the summer.

"I am calm because one day I will have to go," he said after the 2-2 draw with his former side Levante on Saturday evening.
"Nobody will last for ever and only God knows when [I will leave].

"I give my all in every training and in every match, so I have to live with that.

"I don't know if the club have doubts about me, I only know that I still have a contract and I will remain calm.

"If Real Madrid were to sign a goalkeeper in the future and let him compete with me then I would like that and it wouldn't intimidate me."

Meh.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 04, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
Don't think he's had anywhere near the season people make out

When I saw the headline my first thought was who the fuck can it be we don't have anyone worth anything like that
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Post by: Audrey Horne on February 04, 2018, 03:40:28 PM
Please god no.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Goaljira on February 04, 2018, 03:44:02 PM
Checks headline.

Is it Tom Davies?  No.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: ajax_andy on February 04, 2018, 03:48:07 PM
I rate Pickford but he's not good enough to replace De Gea.

Butland is a better keeper, they'd be better off going for him.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Silas on February 04, 2018, 03:52:38 PM
Don't think he's had anywhere near the season people make out

When I saw the headline my first thought was who the fuck can it be we don't have anyone worth anything like that

He's had a good season but not a great one, he's stood out but a lot of that is because pretty much everyone else has been so poor. I do think he would look great though with a decent team/defence in front of him
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 04:19:47 PM
Snap their fucking hands off the lad is shot to bits . Rob Green MK II . He was flapping like a fucking seagull everytime the ball came near him , feet planted , arms waving just hoping he could throw himself in the same direction as the ball . Robles would have been hanging in the Gladwys St by now and we knew he needed replacing .

The only reason he gets a 2nd chance is we can't defend but fuck me he has conceded a shit load in his short career . To me he is now like a boxer who has been found to have a weak chin . Pope for arguments sake has came into a team that can defend and his confidence is sky high . Pickford has played for us and Sunderland and is shell shocked .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Martip on February 04, 2018, 04:22:42 PM
Snap their fucking hands off the lad is shot to bits . Rob Green MK II . He was flapping like a fucking seagull everytime the ball came near him , feet planted , arms waving just hoping he could throw himself in the same direction as the ball . Robles would have been hanging in the Gladwys St by now and we knew he needed replacing .

The only reason he gets a 2nd chance is we can't defend but fuck me he has conceded a shit load in his short career . To me he is now like a boxer who has been found to have a weak chin . Pope for arguments sake has came into a team that can defend and his confidence is sky high . Pickford has played for us and Sunderland and is shell shocked .
I don't think he's been good at all and people massively overate his ability imo.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: GLewis on February 04, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
We can’t moan about short-termism and then not really worry about selling someone like Pickford.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 04:31:09 PM
We can’t moan about short-termism and then not really worry about selling someone like Pickford.

The Manager is short term , the tactics are short term , Klassen , Sandro , Lookman appear to have been short term . One more won't make any difference . It could actually be we got it as wrong with Pickford as we did with the rest of the shite buys . Would you seriously pay the money we did for a lad with his goals against record ? His stats are abysmal and wouldn't matter if he had played for Merton Villa .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jamokachi on February 04, 2018, 04:38:22 PM
Snap their fucking hands off the lad is shot to bits . Rob Green MK II . He was flapping like a fucking seagull everytime the ball came near him , feet planted , arms waving just hoping he could throw himself in the same direction as the ball . Robles would have been hanging in the Gladwys St by now and we knew he needed replacing .

The only reason he gets a 2nd chance is we can't defend but fuck me he has conceded a shit load in his short career . To me he is now like a boxer who has been found to have a weak chin . Pope for arguments sake has came into a team that can defend and his confidence is sky high . Pickford has played for us and Sunderland and is shell shocked .

You're a buffoon.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: DanDan on February 04, 2018, 04:43:27 PM
Snap their fucking hands off the lad is shot to bits . Rob Green MK II . He was flapping like a fucking seagull everytime the ball came near him , feet planted , arms waving just hoping he could throw himself in the same direction as the ball . Robles would have been hanging in the Gladwys St by now and we knew he needed replacing .

The only reason he gets a 2nd chance is we can't defend but fuck me he has conceded a shit load in his short career . To me he is now like a boxer who has been found to have a weak chin . Pope for arguments sake has came into a team that can defend and his confidence is sky high . Pickford has played for us and Sunderland and is shell shocked .

Fuck me there's been some over reactions on this site over the years but this has to be the worst ever!
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: ajax_andy on February 04, 2018, 04:46:44 PM
The Manager is short term , the tactics are short term , Klassen , Sandro , Lookman appear to have been short term . One more won't make any difference . It could actually be we got it as wrong with Pickford as we did with the rest of the shite buys . Would you seriously pay the money we did for a lad with his goals against record ? His stats are abysmal and wouldn't matter if he had played for Merton Villa .

Goals concerned isn't always an indictment of a keeper, plenty of shite keepers have a low goals concerned ratio when playing with a solid defence in front of them.

He's a young keeper, not the finished article but considering his age he's extremely talented.  I used to be a keeper, I can spot a good or bad keeper regardless of the amount of goals they're conceding... Trust me he's very good with a few areas he'll iron out over the next few years.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 04:48:51 PM
Goals concerned isn't always an indictment of a keeper, plenty of shite keepers have a low goals concerned ratio when playing with a solid defence in front of them.

He's a young keeper, not the finished article but considering his age he's extremely talented.  I used to be a keeper, I can spot a good or bad keeper regardless of the amount of goals they're conceding... Trust me he's very good with a few areas he'll iron out over the next few years.


Sorry mate but I thought the idea of  a keeper was to keep the ball out of the net . My mistake .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: ajax_andy on February 04, 2018, 04:49:47 PM
Sorry mate but I thought the idea of  a keeper was to keep the ball out of the net . My mistake .

Really? So the only person responsible is the keeper? Erm no
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 04:49:57 PM
You're a buffoon.

Do you ever contribute anything you utter fucking arse wipe .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 04:50:44 PM
Really? So the only person responsible is the keeper? Erm no

Like I said Rob Green MKII .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Martip on February 04, 2018, 05:05:21 PM
Goals concerned isn't always an indictment of a keeper, plenty of shite keepers have a low goals concerned ratio when playing with a solid defence in front of them.

He's a young keeper, not the finished article but considering his age he's extremely talented.  I used to be a keeper, I can spot a good or bad keeper regardless of the amount of goals they're conceding... Trust me he's very good with a few areas he'll iron out over the next few years.
I hope you are right but I have to be honest I don't see it. I remember ddg first season at utd when he was making mistakes due to poor judgement....you could still see he was a great shot stopper but I don't see it with pickford. I'm also not convinced at his ability to keep out long shots as was shown again yesterday....i think we 've been had at 30m.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 04, 2018, 05:08:29 PM
What a thread
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on February 04, 2018, 05:21:33 PM
We should be building our squad around the likes of Pickford, Holgate and Davies. They should be the future spine of this side.

Pickford may be at fault for some goals but lets look at how much some of the shite in front of him have helped his cause.

I very much hope Martina, Williams and Jagielka are binned of at the end of the season.

Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Macca77 on February 04, 2018, 05:22:55 PM
Yeah let's sell the best young goalie in England eh, great idea that
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: gizzblue on February 04, 2018, 05:36:15 PM
We should be building our squad around the likes of Pickford, Holgate and Davies. They should be the future spine of this side.

Pickford may be at fault for some goals but lets look at how much some of the shite in front of him have helped his cause.

I very much hope Martina, Williams and Jagielka are binned of at the end of the season.
The problem being ,how jaded all the youngsters will be under Sam's reign .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Ramjam on February 04, 2018, 05:36:54 PM
Just look at something of the points he’s saved us especially at the start of the season
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jamokachi on February 04, 2018, 05:43:05 PM
Do you ever contribute anything you utter fucking arse wipe .

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Ravardo on February 04, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
101 goals conceded and 229 saves so our goal difference could be whole lot worse
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on February 04, 2018, 06:03:50 PM
The problem being ,how jaded all the youngsters will be under Sam's reign .

Firstly Sam won't be here next season. All comes down to restructuring the club at the top with a high level of professionalism leading to better manager and better players.

We will need to attract better players to play in a team alongside Holgate, Davies, Pickford, DCL and even Dowell. We need better experienced players who will make these younger players much better. Right now our experienced players sadly aren't that good enough
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: farnhamtoffee on February 04, 2018, 06:22:45 PM
He will get better with age,why sell a top class keeper ? Hes the best we have had since Nigel Martyn,he can be our number 1 for the next decade at least.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 04, 2018, 06:25:21 PM
He will get better with age,why sell a top class keeper ? Hes the best we have had since Nigel Martyn,he can be our number 1 for the next decade at least.
Tbf
If man u do come in for him he'll be gone
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 06:29:58 PM
He will get better with age,why sell a top class keeper ? Hes the best we have had since Nigel Martyn,he can be our number 1 for the next decade at least.

He will only get worse given the defence he has in front of him . My point is not the lads potential but the potential ( given the amount of times he picks the ball out of the net ) for him to become dire quite quickly . I would take 50 million and he ( if he is the real deal ) would be far better off playing for a team with a defence .

Also my apologies to Jamokaci for rising to the childish abuse but I am still really annoyed after yesterday  :hug:
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: blargins on February 04, 2018, 06:37:14 PM
101 goals conceded and 229 saves so our goal difference could be whole lot worse

He's almost a one in two keeper!
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 06:37:47 PM
101 goals conceded and 229 saves so our goal difference could be whole lot worse

I think most of them saves were at Sunderland . He has kept 10 clean sheets in 57 appearances yet Joel kept 17 in 51 and he is apparently one of the worse ever to pull on the green jersey at Goodison and was playing under a Manager who didn't have a clue defensively and one who bought someone in on a free rather chance him . I have my doubts about Pickford that is all .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Bluedylan on February 04, 2018, 06:44:18 PM
Our best signing last summer and easily one of our best players. Utter drivel from Rodenplav, not unusually.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 06:59:30 PM
Our best signing last summer and easily one of our best players. Utter drivel from Rodenplav, not unusually.

Your opinion mate . Not worth a shite as usual but hey ho . He could actually get relegated twice but there is immense promise there . I agree he was the best signing by the way but that is hardly praise since we signed a sack of shit .
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 04, 2018, 07:04:39 PM
I really don't see it either. Think his performances have been very average. The odd why he pushes stuff back into dangerous areas is a serious flaw and surely 1 of the very basics of keeping
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Ross on February 04, 2018, 07:14:38 PM
Easily one of our best players and one of the few this season to be able to hold his head up and say they tried and show they cared.

Considering some of the utter shite we’ve got in the squad showing less heart, fight and commitment than a week old dead fish this lad should be beyond reproach.
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Post by: GLewis on February 04, 2018, 07:17:09 PM
Someone doesn’t have to have had an amazing season either.

He’s generally played well, made some very good saves and made some, but not loads, mistakes.

“If” it were true that Utd were in for him, it would also suggest that they’re looking beyond just this season and therefore so should we be doing.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Alanvideo on February 04, 2018, 07:21:26 PM
Pickford's form /confidence has dipped lately but he's playing behind a different back 3/4/5 or whatever every game. He's only young and going to be a great keeper.
De Gea was full of errors in his first season at Man U and was dropped by Fergie but came back stronger .
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Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 07:21:33 PM
Easily one of our best players and one of the few this season to be able to hold his head up and say they tried and show they cared.

Considering some of the utter shite we’ve got in the squad showing less heart, fight and commitment than a week old dead fish this lad should be beyond reproach.

Your right . He is boss at shouting and banging his gloves together . No one should be beyond criticism especially when they make the same mistakes over and over . He has cost us at least 5 goals by pushing the ball straight to an opposing player for starters . Yes he makes some decent saves but then so would anyone given the amount of shots he has had at him . Even the slight deflection caught him out yesterday and he didn't even have to shift his feet as it was nearly straight at him . He flapped plenty against Leicester . Maybe he just needs a few decent defenders in front of him but he is far from free of criticism ( to me anyway ) . Good thing is Mangala can only get better ( when someone paints L and R on the correct boot ) so things could be looking up for him .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 04, 2018, 07:22:32 PM
As it seems with all our signings we massively over-paid for him; if United want to do the same I don't see why we should stand in their way.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 04, 2018, 07:44:47 PM
This thread has gone exactly the way I thought it would. You can set your watch to some of the copy/paste posters on here 🙄
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Ross on February 04, 2018, 07:47:49 PM
Your right . He is boss at shouting and banging his gloves together . No one should be beyond criticism especially when they make the same mistakes over and over . He has cost us at least 5 goals by pushing the ball straight to an opposing player for starters . Yes he makes some decent saves but then so would anyone given the amount of shots he has had at him . Even the slight deflection caught him out yesterday and he didn't even have to shift his feet as it was nearly straight at him . He flapped plenty against Leicester . Maybe he just needs a few decent defenders in front of him but he is far from free of criticism ( to me anyway ) . Good thing is Mangala can only get better ( when someone paints L and R on the correct boot ) so things could be looking up for him .

All goalkeepers costs teams goals it’s a very unforgiving position, he’s also saved us many times at vital points in games that have enabled us to either go on an win matches or prevent us from being over run and hold onto a draw.

He’s young and imperfect but he’s talented and committed and if half the squad showed as much desire as him we’d not be such piss weak team that rolls over when the opposition turn up the volume. He’s one of the few success we’ve had recruitment wise for a while I really can’t see the point in bashing him right now while the rest are so poor.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: blue slug on February 04, 2018, 07:51:11 PM
Pickford is great signing, any keeper on the planet would concede loads with the shit in front of him and the wanky tactics Sam seems to use
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 07:57:17 PM
All goalkeepers costs teams goals it’s a very unforgiving position, he’s also saved us many times at vital points in games that have enabled us to either go on an win matches or prevent us from being over run and hold onto a draw.

He’s young and imperfect but he’s talented and committed and if half the squad showed as much desire as him we’d not be such piss weak team that rolls over when the opposition turn up the volume. He’s one of the few success we’ve had recruitment wise for a while I really can’t see the point in bashing him right now while the rest are so poor.

Lucky its just on a forum and I am not stood behind him eh . It is an opinion , not a wind up , an opinion based on what I have seen . I did concede the argument about the defence and the quality of our signings and yes he is young but I also think we paid an absolute fortune for him . He has had good and bad games but on what I have seen he is about the 10th best in the Prem which is why I would sell him if it were anymore than lazy journalism .
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 04, 2018, 08:09:28 PM
Tell you what's frightening with him and Keane. How much would we have had to pay for them if we didn't have the selling clubs over a barrel

30m from a relegated almost bankrupt Sunderland. 30m for a player in his last year of his contracts (for Keane) suggests maybe they'd have been 50m a piece under different circumstances.
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Post by: velimski on February 04, 2018, 08:14:38 PM
He really is the least of our problems right now.
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Post by: TheRam on February 04, 2018, 08:24:17 PM
No surprise to see the site attention seekers and contrarians not rate him.

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Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 08:24:50 PM
He really is the least of our problems right now.

Your right . The worst left side in the league is far more of a problem . Allardyce is also far more of a problem . The list is a long one as we are a fucking shambles .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Stumpy on February 04, 2018, 08:35:25 PM
He really is the least of our problems right now.

Too true he is.It's the utter spineless dross that plays in front of him that's the biggest problem.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 09:05:53 PM
No surprise to see the site attention seekers and contrarians not rate him.



Irony can be beautiful .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Confucius on February 04, 2018, 09:10:27 PM
I rate him, he is good. But 50M??? Come on. I am sur ether is an 18 or 19 year old keeper somewhere in the land that would cost 2-3M. Heck even Robles would be ok. The rest of our team is so bad that the goal keeper position hardly matters
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 04, 2018, 09:11:42 PM
No surprise to see the site attention seekers and contrarians not rate him.



People are allowed a different opinion without having some sort of agenda

Personally I tend to think the people who don't especially rate a whole host of players people on here think highly of (davies, Pickford, kenny, DCL, Holgate etc) are probably more in line with opinions of fans of other clubs on these players. Maybe we just aren't as clouded by bias as the rest of you.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 04, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
People are allowed a different opinion without having some sort of appropriate lack of respect 

Personally I tend to think the people who don't especially rate a whole host of players people on here think highly of (davies, Pickford, kenny, DCL, Holgate etc) are probably more in line with opinions of fans of other clubs on these players. Maybe we just aren't as clouded by bias as the rest of you.
Going off your past comments you don't like anyone who plays for Everton tho.

There's a difference between not rating, over rating and then just thinking everyone is and I quote you here "shite"
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 04, 2018, 09:33:26 PM
I have no intention of starting over at keeper.  We would just set the money on fire anyway, who cares if it's 20m profit?
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: ajax_andy on February 04, 2018, 09:38:07 PM
Like I said Rob Green MKII .

Hope you stick around and learn a little about football, maybe watch more matches and try and get to grips with it a bit more too.  It's not a complex sport but does require a little brain power to learn what's what.

Any questions just let us know and we'll do our best to explain it in terms you'll understand
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: ajax_andy on February 04, 2018, 09:42:56 PM
I hope you are right but I have to be honest I don't see it. I remember ddg first season at utd when he was making mistakes due to poor judgement....you could still see he was a great shot stopper but I don't see it with pickford. I'm also not convinced at his ability to keep out long shots as was shown again yesterday....i think we 've been had at 30m.

He's only 23 (24 next month) and has played in the cluster fuck that was Sunderland, and now is with us another club in turmoil. 

Keepers are raw at this age, not many are playing top flight footy as a number 1 choice so I think that tells you how able he is already.  It's another 6 years before he hits his prime, believe me he's a top keeper for his age who will get better and better.

He makes errors because he's young, De Gea is a tough benchmark to hold him to, he's one of if not the world's best keepers.

The defence is the problem imo not the keeper, any keeper would struggle with the current issues we have
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: TheRam on February 04, 2018, 09:54:54 PM
People are allowed a different opinion without having some sort of appropriate lack of respect 

Personally I tend to think the people who don't especially rate a whole host of players people on here think highly of (davies, Pickford, kenny, DCL, Holgate etc) are probably more in line with opinions of fans of other clubs on these players. Maybe we just aren't as clouded by bias as the rest of you.

Nah man, you genuinely don't seem to rate anyone. All you do is go round kicking the tits out of your opinions about players being 'bang average'

Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: KingdingalingNL on February 04, 2018, 09:56:56 PM
Can’t believe Pickford is getting stick on here!!! Even a younger Buffon would would concede a lot of goals with the utter crap we have in from of him! When teams just walz through the midfield and defense like they do against us the goalkeeper is fucked, but I think he does well given the situation in front of him. One of the players I would have no bad things to say about and also his age for a goalkeeper! He is only going to get better. Just get the feeling everyone is so pissed off they are blaming everyone in the team and staff, but Pickford no! He has stopped so many certain goals, only thing that has dipped is his kicking other than that he is probably our best player.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 04, 2018, 09:58:29 PM
Can’t believe Pickford is getting stick on here!!! Even a younger Buffon would would concede a lot of goals with the utter crap we have in from of him! When teams just walz through the midfield and defense like they do against us the goalkeeper is fucked, but I think he does well given the situation in front of him. One of the players I would have no bad things to say about and also his age for a goalkeeper! He is only going to get better. Just get the feeling everyone is so pissed off they are blaming everyone in the team and staff, but Pickford no! He has stopped so many certain goals, only thing that has dipped is his kicking other than that he is probably our best player.

Him or Davies.  I mean, in all honesty it's still probably Coleman, just hard to judge right now.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on February 04, 2018, 11:08:00 PM
Snap their fucking hands off the lad is shot to bits . Rob Green MK II . He was flapping like a fucking seagull everytime the ball came near him , feet planted , arms waving just hoping he could throw himself in the same direction as the ball . Robles would have been hanging in the Gladwys St by now and we knew he needed replacing .

The only reason he gets a 2nd chance is we can't defend but fuck me he has conceded a shit load in his short career . To me he is now like a boxer who has been found to have a weak chin . Pope for arguments sake has came into a team that can defend and his confidence is sky high . Pickford has played for us and Sunderland and is shell shocked .

Pillock.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 04, 2018, 11:18:19 PM
Hope you stick around and learn a little about football, maybe watch more matches and try and get to grips with it a bit more too.  It's not a complex sport but does require a little brain power to learn what's what.

Any questions just let us know and we'll do our best to explain it in terms you'll understand

I was probably watching football when you were a slow swimming sperm . But feel free to enlighten me and I will attempt to absorb your superior knowledge . Use his stats as a starting point if you want .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: blue slug on February 04, 2018, 11:21:35 PM
I wouldn’t mind selling him for 50m if we had Butland lined up as a replacement for 30m
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: TheTone on February 04, 2018, 11:23:58 PM
The sad thing is that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was the next big money sale by the club

Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 04, 2018, 11:46:29 PM
Going off your past comments you don't like anyone who plays for Everton tho.

There's a difference between not rating, over rating and then just thinking everyone is and I quote you here "shite"

I don't like most of them that's true. Baines used to be great. As did jagielka. Coleman I like. I like lookman too though he's obviously not ready. Like Niasse for his effort but he's really not good enough. Love gueye though even he's been crap this season.

I actually think my opinions are more in line with non Everton fans. I also don't have the intense hatred for the likes of williams allardyce Martina. All not very good at least at the minute but then no one really is

I do accept I probably throw the word crap round too easily. I tend to mean it in terms of what the player cost us or against the level others see them at. Sigurdsson obviously isn't crap. He's just massively overpriced.

In terms of becoming a good team how many of our players would you genuinely be gutted to lose. Not many I'd imagine. There's really not many to like at the moment
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: TheRam on February 04, 2018, 11:47:44 PM
He's 23.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Martip on February 04, 2018, 11:55:22 PM
He's young yes and may well go on to be a fantastic player but i 've seen nothing YET to justify how highly rated he is by some of our fans.

Truth is SO FAR he's not a massive upgrade on Robles although will hopefully be a better bet long term.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: ajax_andy on February 05, 2018, 12:27:01 AM
I was probably watching football when you were a slow swimming sperm . But feel free to enlighten me and I will attempt to absorb your superior knowledge . Use his stats as a starting point if you want .

If you are only looking at the stats to form an argument it's clear that no matter how long you've been watching football for you don't understand it
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 05, 2018, 12:29:12 AM
I'm sure Pickford hopes it's not true.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 05, 2018, 01:25:07 AM
If you are only looking at the stats to form an argument it's clear that no matter how long you've been watching football for you don't understand it


A failure to enlighten . Maybe you are a visionary . You can see beyond all the goals that fly past him and I question how good he is . That's all it boils down to . But I think I know enough to know that if the ball keeps flying past you and your team keeps getting beat , 4-0 , 5-1 , 4-0 .......... and you have let in nearly 100 goals in your short career you might need a bit more practice . He needs to improve massively to me to justify his price tag and reputation . That sounds fair enough to me .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 05, 2018, 01:28:52 AM
A failure to enlighten . Maybe you are a visionary . You can see beyond all the goals that fly past him and I question how good he is . That's all it boils down to . But I think I know enough to know that if the ball keeps flying past you and your team keeps getting beat , 4-0 , 5-1 , 4-0 .......... and you have let in nearly 100 goals in your short career you might need a bit more practice . He needs to improve massively to me to justify his price tag and reputation . That sounds fair enough to me .
That's so black and white tho,and goals conceded to keeper quality isn't

What about the fact that teams cut us open at will?

Who is the best keeper in the world?
Lets say de gea

I bet if I was 8 yards out I'd score past him one in two

Does that make him shite?
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: ajax_andy on February 05, 2018, 01:32:20 AM
A failure to enlighten . Maybe you are a visionary . You can see beyond all the goals that fly past him and I question how good he is . That's all it boils down to . But I think I know enough to know that if the ball keeps flying past you and your team keeps getting beat , 4-0 , 5-1 , 4-0 .......... and you have let in nearly 100 goals in your short career you might need a bit more practice . He needs to improve massively to me to justify his price tag and reputation . That sounds fair enough to me .

Attributing goals conceded only to the keeper is frankly laughable, no team would pay tens of millions on defenders if that were true.  He's been culpable for some goals for sure, but to say he's shite based on goals conceded stats is ridiculous.

I'm sure you actually know that though and are just being deliberately OTT to try and prove a point
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 05, 2018, 01:44:32 AM
Attributing goals conceded only to the keeper is frankly laughable, no team would pay tens of millions on defenders if that were true.  He's been culpable for some goals for sure, but to say he's shite based on goals conceded stats is ridiculous.

I'm sure you actually know that though and are just being deliberately OTT to try and prove a point

That would make a bit of sense if he was getting beat from 8 yards but he is getting beaten all ends up . I am not trying to prove a point as I am clearly in a minority although I do have a habit of exaggerating ( I am far from alone there though ). I have said I agree about the defence but I think it is you and a few others who are failing to admit he is over priced and over rated on the evidence so far . I haven't said he was solely to blame or called him shit  either ( I think )  but not so long ago both Howard and Robles were solely to blame as they were playing in front of the best defence we have had in years . Guess we haven't solved either issue . De Gea has also had some pretty average defenders in front of him for a couple of seasons but then again he is top quality and maybe Pickford might be who knows . The next De Gea or the next Rob Green ? Like someone said he is only 23 and he didn't set his own price tag .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 05, 2018, 02:00:25 AM
The honey monster would have struggled to stop owt last night...
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Ari on February 05, 2018, 02:04:38 AM
If something good will happen to us as Evertonians in the next five years (Bramley-More Dock and all) he is the only player I am sure I'd like to see with us in five years time.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Macca77 on February 05, 2018, 02:38:04 AM
Comparing Pickford to Rob Green just proves how clueless some of our fans are
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 05, 2018, 02:44:46 AM
Take it and buy Pope for 20 mil.

Bless you my son!
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 05, 2018, 02:44:47 AM
To be fair Rob Green went on some awsum fishing trips..
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: blue slug on February 05, 2018, 02:52:46 AM
If you are only looking at the stats to form an argument it's clear that no matter how long you've been watching football for you don't understand it


Exactly I’m 42 and Sam Allardyce has been watching football a lot longer than me and he’s clueless as fuck
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 05, 2018, 03:02:09 AM
Comparing Pickford to Rob Green just proves how clueless some of our fans are

You are right . I don't suppose Rob Green had conceded anywhere near as many . I owe him an apology there I think . At the end of the day the thread was about being offered £50 million and not "Is Jordan Pickford shite " or is "Jordan Pickford the best keeper we have ever had " . It pisses me off when people just revert to calling someone clueless because their opinion ( rightly or wrongly ) differs from theirs .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Macca77 on February 05, 2018, 03:10:07 AM
You are right . I don't suppose Rob Green had conceded anywhere near as many . I owe him an apology there I think . At the end of the day the thread was about being offered £50 million and not "Is Jordan Pickford shite " or is "Jordan Pickford the best keeper we have ever had " . It pisses me off when people just revert to calling someone clueless because their opinion ( rightly or wrongly ) differs from theirs .

No hes not the best keeper we've had, yet. Hes still young, theres no denying that he is a top keeper and will improve as he gets older, hes already Englands number one. Rob Green was an abomination of a keeper
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Martip on February 05, 2018, 03:13:37 AM
No hes not the best keeper we've had, yet. Hes still young, theres no denying that he is a top keeper and will improve as he gets older, hes already Englands number one. Rob Green was an abomination of a keeper
This is the thing I can't see he is a top keeper yet as he's not done anywhere near enough to justify that tag and he's not better than butland so not England's no1 yet imo.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: blue slug on February 05, 2018, 03:19:37 AM
You are right . I don't suppose Rob Green had conceded anywhere near as many . I owe him an apology there I think . At the end of the day the thread was about being offered £50 million and not "Is Jordan Pickford shite " or is "Jordan Pickford the best keeper we have ever had " . It pisses me off when people just revert to calling someone clueless because their opinion ( rightly or wrongly ) differs from theirs .

It’s your opinion dude but seriously rob green was woeful I think we have a good keeper in Pickford
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jamokachi on February 05, 2018, 03:20:42 AM
It pisses me off when people just revert to calling someone clueless because their opinion ( rightly or wrongly ) differs from theirs .

You know, if it's a debate you're after you should maybe refrain from such ridiculous, outlandish comments when trying to make your point. Because no one will take you seriously.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jamokachi on February 05, 2018, 03:21:44 AM
This is the thing I can't see he is a top keeper yet as he's not done anywhere near enough to justify that tag and he's not better than butland so not England's no1 yet imo.

You've obviously not watched much of Butland this season. A shadow of his pre-injury self.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 05, 2018, 04:24:01 AM
You know, if it's a debate you're after you should maybe refrain from such ridiculous, outlandish comments when trying to make your point. Because no one will take you seriously.

It was to highlight he could go one way or the other . However , Green was relegated with Norwich yet still got picked by Sven for the World Cup as the Manager could see the quality apparently ( sounds familiar ) I also couldn't care less about being taken seriously or not . I am standing for Parliamnet or anything like that . I am just not buying into him yet .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Martip on February 05, 2018, 04:55:30 AM
You've obviously not watched much of Butland this season. A shadow of his pre-injury self.
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I have not to be fair....has he dipped that much as he brilliant in the lead up to his england callup ?
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: bigl1cks on February 05, 2018, 11:59:47 AM
He's too small in my opinion. That deflected goal on Saturday is case in point, if he is even a little bit taller it's an easy save.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jamokachi on February 05, 2018, 12:52:04 PM
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I have not to be fair....has he dipped that much as he brilliant in the lead up to his england callup ?

He's not been anywhere near his pre injury level. I guess he could re-capture that form, but he's not as yet.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jamokachi on February 05, 2018, 12:53:55 PM
He's too small in my opinion. That deflected goal on Saturday is case in point, if he is even a little bit taller it's an easy save.

Fuck me, does the world of football realise this? You better get a memo sent out, stat!

Do you honestly think that if there were concerns over his height he'd be anywhere near the level of football he's playing?
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jamokachi on February 05, 2018, 01:01:56 PM
I also couldn't care less about being taken seriously or not .
Then stop moaning about people's responses.

You've made a ridiculously outlandish comment about a player who has clearly been one of our better performers this season, has been courted by many top teams, has long been earmarked as one of the best young players in the country, and has been selected ahead of his more experienced peers for the national side.

The fact you felt the need to go to such ridiculous lengths to highlight your opinion suggests it's nothing more than hyperbole. Yes he's conceded goals, yes he's playing behind a terribly inconsistent defence. But he's doing that and still proving to be a top keeper who's only going to get better. He's made some wonderful saves this year, but like everyone else has made a few errors. Which is to be expected of a young player.

The single biggest compliment I can bestow is that I never go into a game concerned about a fuck up that he's going to make, as I did in Howard's latter days and every single fucking time Robles took (takes) to the field. And I'd imagine 99% of people that watch football (and not only Everton) feel the same. 
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: bigl1cks on February 05, 2018, 01:08:37 PM
Fuck me, does the world of football realise this? You better get a memo sent out, stat!

Do you honestly think that if there were concerns over his height he'd be anywhere near the level of football he's playing?

You really are a daft fuck aren't you. Offer something uselful instead of trying too hard at being the class clown.

If you re-read my post I offer my opinion. Please answer my original point.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jamokachi on February 05, 2018, 01:22:28 PM
Please answer my original point.

I'll give it a go... but it's a truly horrible shout. You see, the main criteria for a top keeper is not simply height, it's agility. Now the two combined can be a truly wonderful thing (de Gea), but it's certainly not the be all and end all. In fact it could be argued that by being taller Jordan Pickford would be heavier than he is, and if that is the case it's going to require a damn site more energy and strength to re position himself in the case of a deflection (Robles being a prime example). That's physics.

Now, to truly piss all over your parade... How tall do you think Neville Southall is? Bearing in mind that he's one of the greatest 'keepers to have ever played the game. I'll give you a hint... it's the same as JP.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Trowel on February 05, 2018, 02:27:09 PM
If he'd been 8 foot tall and born with a few extra arms he would have kept the score down to 3 or 4.

Don't know what his parents were thinking.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 05, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
Fuck sake, he's shit cos he's let in lots of goals? Anyone can use a randomly selected stat.....

How about he's the third best keeper in the league because he's saved the third most shots?

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/saves

Or last year he was 5th best in the league??

https://themastermindsite.com/2017/05/22/the-5-best-worst-goalkeepers-of-the-2016-17-premier-league-season-by-saves-per-goal/
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 05, 2018, 03:21:26 PM
Then stop moaning about people's responses.

You've made a ridiculously outlandish comment about a player who has clearly been one of our better performers this season, has been courted by many top teams, has long been earmarked as one of the best young players in the country, and has been selected ahead of his more experienced peers for the national side.

The fact you felt the need to go to such ridiculous lengths to highlight your opinion suggests it's nothing more than hyperbole. Yes he's conceded goals, yes he's playing behind a terribly inconsistent defence. But he's doing that and still proving to be a top keeper who's only going to get better. He's made some wonderful saves this year, but like everyone else has made a few errors. Which is to be expected of a young player.

The single biggest compliment I can bestow is that I never go into a game concerned about a fuck up that he's going to make, as I did in Howard's latter days and every single fucking time Robles took (takes) to the field. And I'd imagine 99% of people that watch football (and not only Everton) feel the same. 

Listen Dickhead , I am not trying to convince anyone I am right like you are it is my opinion and I don't care if you or anyone else agrees with it . Over and out .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: ajax_andy on February 05, 2018, 03:48:56 PM
He's too small in my opinion. That deflected goal on Saturday is case in point, if he is even a little bit taller it's an easy save.

Nope! It's a fast paced deflected shot that completely wrong footed the keeper... He did brilliantly to even nearly save it.

The goal had nothing to do with his height, it was only because of his agility he got close to saving it.

A taller keeper wouldn't have necessarily made an easy save as they'd need his agility too, so unless it's Lloris it's still going in
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Jamokachi on February 05, 2018, 04:30:32 PM
Listen Dickhead , I am not trying to convince anyone I am right like you are it is my opinion and I don't care if you or anyone else agrees with it . Over and out .

Haha, I enjoy your little tantrums so much. Bless.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 05, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
Haha, I enjoy your little tantrums so much. Bless.

Your welcome as ever . None so blind as those who refuse to see .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Ross on February 05, 2018, 05:46:42 PM
He definitely should have done better with that deflected 3rd.

Doesn’t mean he’s a bad keeper but that’s easily saveable.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 05, 2018, 06:17:38 PM
He definitely should have done better with that deflected 3rd.

Doesn’t mean he’s a bad keeper but that’s easily saveable.

Stick De Gea and Courtois in goal together and they wouldn't have got near that according to some . He is a promising keeper and he will go to the World Cup ( like Rob Green was and did in 2004 despite conceding a shit load of goals which apparently doesn't matter unless your name is Rob Green ) but I am not convinced yet .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: formerKHL on February 05, 2018, 08:00:53 PM
if this is true or has a semblance of truth my main concerns are.....

this is the manu scouting a player through the media at work again......

why does everyone get hung up on a players price ? like ive said I the past anything is only worth what people are willing to pay for them......the rate for pickford has gone up from £30million to £50 million in a year...shows the rate of inflation for footballers in the current claimate...hardly makes him a bad keeper/player because we paid a lot for him.....

finally.......£50/60/70 million....the EFC "negotiators" will fkkit up and let him go for a catalogue fee...ala rooney...and most others we sell on...
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Bluedylan on February 05, 2018, 08:05:41 PM
Stick De Gea and Courtois in goal together and they wouldn't have got near that according to some . He is a promising keeper and he will go to the World Cup ( like Rob Green was and did in 2004 despite conceding a shit load of goals which apparently doesn't matter unless your name is Rob Green ) but I am not convinced yet .

What's your profile picture from?
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: TheRam on February 05, 2018, 08:08:21 PM
Wouldn't sell him for 100mil.

He's the keeper for the next ten years.

If we were to sell him, the way the market is going and our short term approach to player recruitment would see us forking out over 100mil easily over ten years replacing keepers.

Need to build the team around him.
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 05, 2018, 08:22:27 PM
What's your profile picture from?

Ciro Di Marzio from Gomorrah .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 05, 2018, 08:26:47 PM
Wouldn't sell him for 100mil.

He's the keeper for the next ten years.

If we were to sell him, the way the market is going and our short term approach to player recruitment would see us forking out over 100mil easily over ten years replacing keepers.

Need to build the team around him.

Despite my protracted argument I agree with that principle . We have bought into younger players who should be here for years and we have a very good academy set up and side . However , Moshiri seems to have bought a very expensive set of power tools and given them to a fucking footballing Chimp to play with . Somewhere , sometime this will come back and bite us on the arse . We are Everton but never say never Everton .
Title: Re: Man Utd target £50m Everton ace
Post by: ajax_andy on February 05, 2018, 10:31:09 PM
He definitely should have done better with that deflected 3rd.

Doesn’t mean he’s a bad keeper but that’s easily saveable.

In guessing you've never been a keeper?

When you're moving one way, the ball deflects and you have to shift your entire body weight the opposite way, then somehow find the momentum to leap up high to try and save something traveling at speed you ain't faced with an 'easy save'.

I think the fact he managed to get anything at all on it is clouding people's judgement.

One thing that absolutely 100% was not was an easy save