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Title: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: sixymack on February 06, 2018, 02:08:22 AM
Get rid of Allardyce and bring Moyes back in.

Tired of the usual shouts of ďwe have moved on etc etc.  we have not moved on.  We have regressed, we are shit and I donít enjoy watching Everton for the first time in 30 years supporting the blues.

Cannot be any worse then the current shambles.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Shogun on February 06, 2018, 02:09:04 AM
No.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Alanvideo on February 06, 2018, 02:11:11 AM
Of course most people would take him over SA but still no. Waiting for the Carvalhal shouts btw.
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Post by: Polledreng on February 06, 2018, 02:12:16 AM
Agree with you that Sam isn't the solution but neither is Moyes. He treated his players far better than "Big Sam"
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Juanito on February 06, 2018, 02:13:21 AM
We will have better options in the summer. If it was now until the end of the season, definitely.  Anything better than Allardyce, not just because of his dour, clueless football, itís also because of his abhorrent, narcissistic character.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 02:14:14 AM
If we've regressed Moyes has regressed even further.

Hes been sacked three times since he left us.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 06, 2018, 02:15:18 AM
fuck offfffff
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: blargins on February 06, 2018, 02:21:39 AM
Get Doug Pederson in.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 06, 2018, 02:22:30 AM
Nah you are alright
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: TheTone on February 06, 2018, 02:23:50 AM
Oh god no, we are way too good for Moyes, we are boss with a squad full of brilliant players  :whistle:

Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 06, 2018, 02:26:52 AM
We've certainly done fuckall without one another, but that's not a great reason to hook up with one's ex...
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: GLewis on February 06, 2018, 02:27:01 AM
Whether you think Moyes is any good or not you only have to look at some of the responses to realise itís an awful idea.

You canít have a large portion of the fan base unhappy from the start as it takes a lot of good play / results to turn that around.

Normal 1-0 wins would be classed as dull etc.

Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: blargins on February 06, 2018, 02:29:04 AM
So why is Moyes looking to leave West Ham then?
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: di_guyo on February 06, 2018, 02:30:27 AM
How many time is this shout going to come up? No, no, everytime no.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 06, 2018, 02:34:02 AM
How embarrassing this is.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Escla on February 06, 2018, 02:35:23 AM
If Moyes had ever had the money that we have now we would have been at least a consistent top 6 club by now.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: sirblue57 on February 06, 2018, 02:35:55 AM
As a DoF. Yeah...manager..no.
He can spot a player better then the prick we have now
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 02:38:20 AM
As a DoF. Yeah...manager..no.
He can spot a player better then the prick we have now

An even worse shout than getting him as manager
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: gizzblue on February 06, 2018, 02:38:26 AM
Never go back to an ex .
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 06, 2018, 02:38:49 AM
Our best performing manager out of the last 5, on a shoestring budget too.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Silas on February 06, 2018, 02:44:53 AM
Why do people not get that there are more Managers than those we have had before?
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Waltzer on February 06, 2018, 02:46:47 AM
Get rid of Allardyce and bring Moyes back in.

Tired of the usual shouts of "we have moved on etc etc.  we have not moved on.  We have regressed, we are shit and I don't enjoy watching Everton for the first time in 30 years supporting the blues.

Cannot be any worse then the current shambles.
You should get a place on the Everton board with progressive shouts like this.  Evertons biggest problem is we rarely look forward, let get someone in who won nothing in 10 years with us, shat on us and whose done nothing since leaving except fail
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Gash on February 06, 2018, 02:54:54 AM
We deserve mediocrity the way people keep banging the Moyes drum like he's the only manager in the world. I could just about understand if he'd actually won some things.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 06, 2018, 03:00:03 AM
1. Change the title of the thread, there's nothing about him considering leaving West Ham

2. Move this to general football

3. Lock it forever

4. Fuck off with the Moyes shouts
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Confucius on February 06, 2018, 03:05:25 AM
If we've regressed Moyes has regressed even further.

Hes been sacked three times since he left us.

And we have sacked 3 since he left too. Will be 4 after Fraud
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: TheTone on February 06, 2018, 03:10:19 AM
And we have sacked 3 since he left too. Will be 4 after Fraud

These frauds of players we have would get any manager sacked

Conte will be sacked soon and if a miracle happened and he ended up here it wouldn't be long before our shithouse players would have him chased out the club too
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Brownie20 on February 06, 2018, 03:22:33 AM
And we have sacked 3 since he left too. Will be 4 after Fraud

Martinez and Koeman. Who is the third?
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Post by: Thornton_19 on February 06, 2018, 03:23:31 AM
Shit shout. Shit manager.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Confucius on February 06, 2018, 03:27:34 AM
Martinez and Koeman. Who is the third?

Unsie
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Faceatthefence on February 06, 2018, 03:35:06 AM
Moyes has a place in the past history but not the future,there are too many risks involved that would add more woes than his three successors.Not that the club in desperation wouldnt appoint him,they have recent history on appointing managers that the fan base was clearly not comfortable with.
We crave the moyes stability but with more flair and more success against the clubs cemented in the top six,were does that leave us and what we really want from our next manager I really dont have a view.We are in the middle ground when it comes to attracting the top coaches,and would a foreign coach really get us as a club or even want to start the long process of undoing four years of rollercoasting.
Looking towards our domestic league only two managers really give the big boys a hard time,both of these guys have been dismissed out of hand because like the hierarchy in charge we feel bigger and better.Trouble is we haven't grown on a par with our bank balance,getting closer to the top six should be the short term goal not getting amongst them.For that case alone the next man in charge has to take us forward progressively,not one great season and a shitshow the next.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Lxxx on February 06, 2018, 03:37:13 AM
These frauds of players we have would get any manager sacked

Conte will be sacked soon and if a miracle happened and he ended up here it wouldn't be long before our shithouse players would have him chased out the club too
Big enough frauds to cost over £250m. Yes they're not world beaters and the squad is unbalanced but let's stop this constant talk as if we're playing with championship level players like someone like Huddersfield. We're massively under-achieving with the quality we have and we haven't had managers with the ability to get the best out of them. That's the real issue here.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: TheTone on February 06, 2018, 03:44:03 AM
Big enough frauds to cost over £250m. Yes they're not world beaters and the squad is unbalanced but let's stop this constant talk as if we're playing with championship level players like someone like Huddersfield. We're massively under-achieving with the quality we have and we haven't had managers with the ability to get the best out of them. That's the real issue here.


What quality do we have exactly?
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: blueski on February 06, 2018, 03:58:42 AM
Heard Victor Anichebe is possibly leaving his club in China also
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Brownie20 on February 06, 2018, 04:08:53 AM
Unsie

He wasn't sacked
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Jamokachi on February 06, 2018, 05:45:59 AM
He wasn't sacked

Irks me that people count him as being a full time manager, and especially when they accuse him/the board of being sacked. He was a caretaker.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Ravardo on February 06, 2018, 05:52:54 AM
He managed the club well on a budget and brought in some great players so id be more inclined to see him as maybe dof rather than manager
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: bluestevie on February 06, 2018, 05:55:29 AM
FFS people really need to move on from Moyes, he had 11 years here, thats more than enough for someone who didn't win a single trophy in his time here
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Cozzie on February 06, 2018, 02:47:30 PM
Whilst I don't want Moyes back, I do however, don't think it's out the question for people to wonder or be a bit curious as to what he could do with a bit of money behind him.

If you look since Moyes took over in 2001/2 up to the present day, you have to say over all he did the best job out of Martinez, Koeman or Allardyce since.

Granted Martinez had that 72 point season but it was mainly off the back of Moyes organised defence before he went full blown Martinez.

Granted I don't want him back but it does interest me what he would be able to achieve here in the current set up where he wouldn't be exclusively working in the loan market.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Bluedylan on February 06, 2018, 02:54:36 PM
I'll be honest. I've always rated him, no matter how he left. He's a good manager and I'd have him over the current incumbent any day.

The more time that passes, the better Moyes' time looks.

As others have said though, best to move on now and get someone new.

I still proper rate him as a manager, and if gets a few seasons at one club, I think he'll do well for them.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Bluedylan on February 06, 2018, 02:56:36 PM
These frauds of players we have would get any manager sacked

Conte will be sacked soon and if a miracle happened and he ended up here it wouldn't be long before our shithouse players would have him chased out the club too

Load of old toss that, T.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Lazarou on February 06, 2018, 02:57:10 PM
Not that I would anyway advocate a return of Moyes in any capacity, I would happily go back to the days of having no money but having players and a Manager that appear to care, the players look fit and look interested in playing for Everton as opposed to what we have now. Surely there must be someone out there who can come in and do what Moyes did but with a bigger budget.

Careful what you wish for eh?
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Macca77 on February 06, 2018, 03:54:39 PM
Pains me to say this but I'd have him back over Allardyce, that's how bad we are.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: sirblue57 on February 06, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
An even worse shout than getting him as manager
Really? Explain this. But think of the players he brought in first, and the budget he worked with. It would be fascinating to see the logic in your response.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Lxxx on February 06, 2018, 04:16:41 PM
He managed the club well on a budget and brought in some great players so id be more inclined to see him as maybe dof rather than manager

No-one did due diligence like Moyes when he had to rebuild a squad with little money to do it with. It's easy to slag him off in hindsight but the Moyes/Kenwright axis was a good one for us and worked well.
If Kenwright was younger and we had a more forward thinking manager the DoF shout might have been a good one but we've moved on as a club now.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Gash on February 06, 2018, 04:26:47 PM
Really? Explain this. But think of the players he brought in first, and the budget he worked with. It would be fascinating to see the logic in your response.

He had scouts like anyone else, he might have had the final say on who we bought but it's an absolute myth that he personally discovered these players and negotiated the prices. A lot were also bought in a time where you could still get quality for under £5m.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: MarcusFenix on February 06, 2018, 04:43:44 PM
How embarrassing this is.

Not as embarrassing as what's being served up on the pitch

BTW not advocating a return for Moyes, just acknowledging the cluster fuck that is EFC at the moment
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: sirblue57 on February 06, 2018, 06:09:52 PM
He had scouts like anyone else, he might have had the final say on who we bought but it's an absolute myth that he personally discovered these players and negotiated the prices. A lot were also bought in a time where you could still get quality for under £5m.
Maybe. But the general attitude around the club lifted when he took over, you cannot argue against the difference in the club before and after he joined.
The scouting was good when you consider the limitations . But he took control, and actually knew the player before he signed. Now it looks if they were bought without anyone actually seeing them or knowing who the fuck they are.
I would love a quality DoF and a manager as well. But would not turn my nose up to moyes in the short term, even working with Unsworth until the positions could be filled with the right people.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: ajax_andy on February 06, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
Moyes was a fantastic manager when you think of where we were when he took over and how stable we became.  People will always throw back the 'never won anything' line but he got us 4th with Marcus Bent up front ffs.  At the time he was appointed we apparently talked to Gary Megson too... if he'd got the job we'd probably have ended up in League 1!

I wouldn't have him back though, I think we need someone with a more expansive philosophy to move forward.  The idea of Moyes coming back to me just seems another 'let's be stable' type of appointment rather than looking to challenge the big boys.

He'll always have a place in my heart though and I'm pleased to see him doing well at West Ham, I hope he stays there for a while and rebuilds his reputation.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Juanito on February 06, 2018, 07:32:45 PM
What quality do we have exactly?


Pickford, Keane, Walcott - full England Internationals. Coleman, Baines, Sigurdsson, Bolasie and Rooney, experienced Premier League performers who most of the sides below top 6 would want.

Holgate, Davies, DCL, Kenny represented England at every level up to u20 and in a balanced side with structure, should do better. Ditto, Klaassen, Sandro, Tosun.

We have a good squad, we have just been mismanaged and one thing thatís not going to work, is a manager who chops and changes every week, opts for long ball football and takes no responsibility for poor performance, calling the players what he is, pathetic.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Confucius on February 07, 2018, 12:12:58 AM
He wasn't sacked

Not technically but kind of got the chance to make the job his and wasn't deemed good enough.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: D15TIN on February 07, 2018, 12:21:49 AM
Theyre getting Patrice Evra on a free - Paul Joyce
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: nsno on February 07, 2018, 01:55:51 AM
Moyes was a class act at Everton but those days are gone and he should never come back. I'd like to see us go for Rudi Garcia at Marseille, quality manager with experience of turning mid table teams unto contenders.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: blue slug on February 07, 2018, 02:02:24 AM
Get Doug Pederson in.

Iíd even have Doug bollinger in over Moyes
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Jamokachi on February 07, 2018, 02:19:53 AM
Theyre getting Patrice Evra on a free - Paul Joyce

In the summer I presume? Because he's already played for 2 clubs this season...
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Jamokachi on February 07, 2018, 02:20:40 AM
Also, I still don't understand the headline of this thread? Where's it from?
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Gash on February 07, 2018, 02:30:00 AM
Also, I still don't understand the headline of this thread? Where's it from?

The Telegraph apparently.

Quote
But the Hammers have taken the step of issuing a statement to insist there is no truth in the story.

It read: "The Club would like to place on record that it categorically refutes the claims made by the Daily Telegraph regarding manager David Moyes.

"There is absolutely no truth whatsoever to this story.

"As previously stated on a number of occasions, the Club and David Moyes agreed a deal until the end of the 2017/18 season, at which point both parties will sit down and discuss the future.

"Until then, the Board and David Moyes will continue to work closely together with the Manager having full responsibility of footballing matters and the full support of the Board.

"Everyoneís sole focus is on trying to achieve results for West Ham United."
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Jamokachi on February 07, 2018, 02:33:54 AM
In the summer I presume? Because he's already played for 2 clubs this season...

Hmmm... maybe not... thought I read he was playing in Turkey.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on February 07, 2018, 02:50:45 AM
As a DoF. Yeah...manager..no.
He can spot a player better then the prick we have now
Which one Walsh or Sam?
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Polledreng on February 07, 2018, 02:57:49 AM
Which one Walsh or Sam?
my guess is both
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Sir Stealth on February 07, 2018, 03:25:23 AM
I think some have a skewed view of how well Moyes has done at West Ham.  The same West Ham who are below us in the league.  The same David Moyes whose career has totally nose dived since he left us.  I want Allardyce gone but I don't want Moyes in.  The past is the past, weve been stale for far too long and we need someone with new ideas who can lift the players and the fans
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 07, 2018, 04:03:35 AM
I think some have a skewed view of how well Moyes has done at West Ham.  The same West Ham who are below us in the league.  The same David Moyes whose career has totally nose dived since he left us.  I want Allardyce gone but I don't want Moyes in.  The past is the past, weve been stale for far too long and we need someone with new ideas who can lift the players and the fans

Right on. He's yesterdays budgie droppings.
Title: Re: Moyes possibly leaving West Ham
Post by: Tony Clifton on February 07, 2018, 06:00:10 AM
Look out Newcastle! (hopefully)