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Title: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Everton News on February 11, 2018, 05:39:53 PM
Keane linked with move away

Everton have been linked with a move to sell defender Michael Keane after just six months at the club.

Source: Keane linked with move away (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2018/02/keane-linked-move-away/)
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: van der Meyde on February 11, 2018, 06:09:01 PM
If we're going to spend the summer selling and replacing the players we brought in last summer, we're just going to cause ourselves some of the same problems we've had this season.

Bit of consistency would be nice please, Everton.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 11, 2018, 06:25:36 PM
Ok let's start the bidding at thirty million. Anybody thirty million. No? Twenty-five then....
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: NomadskiEFC on February 11, 2018, 07:25:43 PM
I'm sure if he leaves, he will turn into the player we hoped we'd signed.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Waltzer on February 11, 2018, 07:28:45 PM
I'm sure if he leaves, he will turn into the player we hoped we'd signed.

I dont know, I think he was a very limited player in the first instance. He is good in a tight compact unit, hes got little ability and thats the reason, when teams are spending stupid money for defenders, we were the only ones that really pushed for him. All the footballing teams didnt look twice at him.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2018, 07:36:21 PM
I'm sure if he leaves, he will turn into the player we hoped we'd signed.

McGuire?
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2018, 07:56:00 PM
McGuire?

So this is the next thing you're kicking the tits out of then.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2018, 08:10:41 PM
So this is the next thing you're kicking the tits out of then.

Erm not really if you mean McGuire. Probably if you mean Keane being shit.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Picko1975 on February 11, 2018, 08:12:19 PM
It’s quite clear he’s short of confidence and that doesn’t help anyone, especially in a poor and constantly changing defence. However, my worry is that he looks like he gets caught out very flat footed at times and is very suspect against a quick attack. Not sure if that will improve just with confidence. 
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Redartin on February 11, 2018, 08:43:46 PM
McGuire?

As in Harry Maguire?
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: eugene on February 11, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
What I need to understand is this at what point did we become a team who gave no fucker a chance? Seems to me that if they don’t lace there boots up how we want they are history, ffs I’ve watched earl Barrett in a blue shirt, such short memories
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: mikey_blue on February 11, 2018, 09:15:43 PM
Get Keane and Hilgate playing week in week out and they'll be sound.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: cantoffee on February 11, 2018, 10:19:06 PM
Think he's actually ok on the ball when we are in control. That doesn't happen often though.

Very slow but if he's paired with someone like Holgate with Coleman on the other side it shouldn't impact us much.

I would rather we kept with him and see what a pairing if him and Holgate could do once we have the experience of Baines and Coleman back in the team.

No sense buying and selling so quickly with a large number of our summer buys as we end up with the same disjointed squad.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 11, 2018, 10:28:14 PM
he had a hole in his foot, he couldnt feel shit in the foot, he was given injections, when he needed anti biotics.. and those who have had infections (like feverish/diizzyness etc) would know it takes a while to recover from and to be 100% back to how you was.


he  will come good, he just needs consistency next to him...
Holgate and Keane will have big futures at Everton.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Hesmenos on February 11, 2018, 10:39:27 PM
Maybe Simeone has asked to bring his own defenders with him this summer?
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: brap2 on February 11, 2018, 10:46:50 PM
Can’t get my head around how we’re treating players at the minute, really bizarre.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 11, 2018, 10:54:04 PM
What I need to understand is this at what point did we become a team who gave no fucker a chance? Seems to me that if they don’t lace there boots up how we want they are history, ffs I’ve watched earl Barrett in a blue shirt, such short memories

Since Moshiri decided to play Managerial pass the parcel .
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 11, 2018, 11:12:32 PM
Maybe Simeone has asked to bring his own defenders with him this summer?

You reckon Keane is off to Chelsea?
He'd shine there like yeah.

 shakeyheadman
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Danny on February 12, 2018, 01:54:12 AM
Can’t get my head around how we’re treating players at the minute, really bizarre.

I was saying to my Dad the other day about Fellaini's first 6 months with us, i'm sure he'd have probably been on the way back out under this regime.

Sometimes players just take time to settle and you can't unbalance the whole team with huge changes every summer, last year it was important because we had such an old squad but what is the harm in keeping Keane (in particular) and the likes of Klaassen as squad players until we know they definitely can't contribute, in this market you may lose a few million extra by holding on a while longer but is there really much of a difference to the club now if we sell them for 18 million or 15?
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Confucius on February 12, 2018, 01:57:11 AM
I can't imagine this is true. Unless he wants to go and there are mental health reasons for it, there just isn't any reason to sell anyone we bought in the last 2 seasons. That includes Schneiderlin. Sure we might end up shipping a few of them anyway but you have to give them a chance first.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: brap2 on February 12, 2018, 01:57:49 AM
I was saying to my Dad the other day about Fellaini's first 6 months with us, i'm sure he'd have probably been on the way back out under this regime.

Sometimes players just take time to settle and you can't unbalance the whole team with huge changes every summer, last year it was important because we had such an old squad but what is the harm in keeping Keane (in particular) and the likes of Klaassen as squad players until we know they definitely can't contribute, in this market you may lose a few million extra by holding on a while longer but is there really much of a difference to the club now if we sell them for 18 million or 15?

Totally agree mate, Keane’s been no worse than anyone else who’s been shit (majority of them), don’t see why were so confident in fucking these new lads off so quickly, or what we gain out of it.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Martip on February 12, 2018, 02:01:05 AM
I dont know, I think he was a very limited player in the first instance. He is good in a tight compact unit, hes got little ability and thats the reason, when teams are spending stupid money for defenders, we were the only ones that really pushed for him. All the footballing teams didnt look twice at him.
True
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 12, 2018, 02:25:17 AM
He played well with Jags the Leicester game, he couldn't have joined us at a worse time for his own development really.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 12, 2018, 02:32:01 AM
He played well with Jags the Leicester game, he couldn't have joined us at a worse time for his own development really.

this post makes me feel that Stones did the right thing and went to work for Guardiola and City rather than stay with Koeman and Everton.. at the time i thought Koeman would have taught Stones a lot better than Sep,  but Sep gives his players warm loving feelings inside of them,, which makes them become super Sterlings.. While Koeman tries to make you play better by saying but ok,.. (fucking love that Davies/Dcl interview where they start going but okay! trolololo)
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 12, 2018, 02:47:24 AM
No couldn't blame Stones for going at all either.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: blueski on February 12, 2018, 03:34:44 AM
good teams really have a lot more stability at the back for the most part; 2 strong centre halves who know they are going to play week in and week out

maybe keane simply isn't good enough but not only do our players not seem to know if they are in the team week by week, our players don't know if they are here season by season

we really need a lot better than this from the top down IMO; a consistent policy on the type of defender we want and how we are going to use/develop them; we just seem all over the place at the moment
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on February 12, 2018, 04:42:23 AM
Let's hope it's nonsense. Give the lad a break he has come into a shit situation. I am sure he will come good.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: blue1948 on February 12, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
There should be a lot of heads hanging in shame on here for the vile postings for lads playing in blue .Never in my time have I read so much bile from supposed Evertonians ,I don't post much because I would last two fuckin' minutes if I posted what I want to . It is time for some to get a fuckin' life and stay off here .For two weeks on holiday I just read the posts ,I can only suggest the same for the knobheads on here you will shock yourselves at the stupidity posted on here .Just read for a week without posting and you will get the point .
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Juanito on February 12, 2018, 12:59:44 PM
So, if Keane, who had been a solid premiership performer who gained an England cap based on his performances looks so terrible playing for Everton, this suggests something is wrong with us not him. This hopefully can shed some light on why Klaassen and Sandro have not settled. With a progressive set up next season (without Allardyce/Walsh) then I hope all of our new signings can find their feet and themselves with us.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Danny on February 13, 2018, 02:35:27 AM
So, if Keane, who had been a solid premiership performer who gained an England cap based on his performances looks so terrible playing for Everton, this suggests something is wrong with us not him. This hopefully can shed some light on why Klaassen and Sandro have not settled. With a progressive set up next season (without Allardyce/Walsh) then I hope all of our new signings can find their feet and themselves with us.

Completely agree.

In the last 10 years how many players have "failed to settle"

I've never seen anything like what's going on now, I can only assume there is no team spirit at all when the likes of Klaassen, Sandro and Keane are all being rumoured to not like it here.

It really seems from the outside looking in that we have 11 players not a team on the pitch at any one time.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: BlueForYou on February 13, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
There is something very poisonous surrounding our club and it strikes with venom

Don't know where it lies or who the culprits are

Everton? Evertoxic, more like
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 13, 2018, 03:54:58 PM
Completely agree.

In the last 10 years how many players have "failed to settle"

I've never seen anything like what's going on now, I can only assume there is no team spirit at all when the likes of Klaassen, Sandro and Keane are all being rumoured to not like it here.

It really seems from the outside looking in that we have 11 players not a team on the pitch at any one time.

It's a really good point that.
OK, you've had your Van der Meydes & Drenthes that settled a little bit too well into the local culture.
And your Kroldrups that were poor scouting.

But from the moment a player had to sing infront of the rest of the squad, they settled and were part of the team.
The year we finished 4th we brought in quite a large number of players (relative to the seasons either side) and managed to settle them in.

The answer can only really be due to the lack of stability in the club
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 13, 2018, 04:20:23 PM
Piece on the site & Echo:


Quote
Michael Keane wants to piece together a consistent run of form following his towering display at the heart of Everton’s defence in Saturday’s 3-1 victory over Crystal Palace.

Centre-back Keane relished his physical duel with muscular Palace striker Christian Benteke, as the Toffees saw off Roy Hodgson’s team amid a blitz of second-half goals at Goodison Park.

The 25-year-old confessed his side were determined to atone for the previous week’s defeat at Arsenal – and acknowledged that Gylfi Sigurdsson’s strike immediately after half-time enabled Everton to “relax and kick-on” against the Eagles.

Keane has steadily established himself in the middle of the Blues’ back four – starting seven of the past nine games and missing out against Tottenham Hotspur and West Bromwich Albion last month only because of injury.

And former Manchester United man Keane insists Everton must use their stellar form on home turf – since Sam Allardyce watched the Toffees thump West Ham United 4-0 in late November they have hoovered up 17 points from eight matches on their own patch – as the catalyst for a blistering finish to the campaign.

“My confidence is always growing,” Keane told evertontv. “It took a dent last week [following the Arsenal match]. I think that happened to the whole team. I need to find more consistency and play like that week in, week out.

“I know that and will be doing everything I can to achieve that. I was happy with how it went against Palace. I thought we were really solid as a team, there was a lot of communication [across the pitch], and I was really pleased.

“I thought I did well. I enjoy the battles. I knew there would be a lot of aerial balls against Benteke and the new guy [6ft 4in Palace debutant forward Alexander Sorloth] and I worked on that in training.

"I enjoy games like that, they suit me and I felt I played well."

Everton peppered the Palace goal from distance during the opening 45 minutes but were unable to breach a rearguard that has tightened up immeasurably following former England boss Hodgson's appointment as manager last September.

Sigurdsson’s 25-yard blast 60 seconds after the restart served to open the floodgates, however, with Oumar Niasse pouncing to extend the Blues’ advantage six minutes later.

Tom Davies’ 75th-minute goal ensured Palace midfielder Luka Milivojevic’s late penalty acted as nothing more than a consolation for the visitors – albeit Keane was frustrated to miss out on a third clean sheet in his past seven outings.

He was nevertheless relieved to avoid a nerve-jangling ending similar to the one against Leicester City 10 days earlier, when Everton dominated huge chunks of the match but were left clinging on for a 2-1 win after England striker Jamie Vardy’s second-half penalty.

Moreover, Keane is pleased Everton have moved within two points of former club Burnley in seventh – with a visit to Turf Moor inked into the calendar early next month – after finding themselves perched precariously, two points above the drop zone, prior to that meeting with West Ham two-and-a-half months ago.

“It was important we bounced back after last weekend’s result," said Keane. "We were disappointed for everyone who travelled down and all the fans in general. We were not good enough. We wanted to put that right and we did that, especially in the second half. We came out of the blocks well and got ourselves 3-0 up.

“We wanted to make it easier for ourselves than we did against Leicester. We were disappointed to concede the goal, because we wanted a clean sheet. But it was a good win in the end.

“We felt comfortable in the first half without creating too much. But when you get the first goal it always lifts the pressure a bit. That helped the lads relax and we kicked on from there.”
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 05:48:20 PM
he look very stiff when I see him play is this the way he always looked when playing or is it fear if its fear that will go in time
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Danny on February 14, 2018, 06:31:26 AM
he look very stiff when I see him play is this the way he always looked when playing or is it fear if its fear that will go in time

He's certainly not confident with the ball at his feet, there was a few times in the Palace game he was throwing his hands up asking for someone to come and get the ball off him when there was a huge amount of space for him to move into.

In his defence it could be that Allardyce has told him to do that but he still wasn't confident in bringing it forward when everyone else is ignoring instructions.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: bogie on February 14, 2018, 06:41:59 AM
He's certainly not confident with the ball at his feet, there was a few times in the Palace game he was throwing his hands up asking for someone to come and get the ball off him when there was a huge amount of space for him to move into.

In his defence it could be that Allardyce has told him to do that but he still wasn't confident in bringing it forward when everyone else is ignoring instructions.

that throwing his hands up I hate seeing that in players but he is not the only one out there doing it
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 14, 2018, 06:43:42 AM
Rumour 1. Big name interested in joining us.
Response. paper talk, rubbish, made up, crap. .........

Rumour 2.
Someone's not happy and wants to leave.
Response. What's the club doing letting him get so unsettled,  what's the manager playing at, we're amateurish ...........

Reporters get paid to write stories that sell papers. Always ask yourself certain questions:
Is it a slow news week?
Are there any actual facts?
How many such rumours have you read and how many actually happen?
Is it a respected reporter or just a no one.

Collectively there will be literally hundreds of such rumours between now and the end of the next window. Every now and then a wild punt will win by the sheer law of averages.

Remember the old hacks trick - ring the club ask if manager is leaving,  answer 'no' headline 'CLUB DENY MANAGER TO LEAVE' result, hundreds of extra copies sold and not an untruthful word written.

Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: blargins on February 14, 2018, 06:48:31 AM
I don’t remember us peppering the Palace goal in the first half.
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: TheRam on February 14, 2018, 07:27:48 PM
He's certainly not confident with the ball at his feet, there was a few times in the Palace game he was throwing his hands up asking for someone to come and get the ball off him when there was a huge amount of space for him to move into.

In his defence it could be that Allardyce has told him to do that but he still wasn't confident in bringing it forward when everyone else is ignoring instructions.

He's been doing it all season. It's such an annoying trait.

More often than not it results in him aimlessly punting the ball upfield.

I'm slowly beginning to give up on him as there's no sign of improvement coming. I've never seen such a ponderous defender play for us
Title: Re: [News]Keane linked with move away
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 14, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
It's a really good point that.
OK, you've had your Van der Meydes & Drenthes that settled a little bit too well into the local culture.
And your Kroldrups that were poor scouting.

But from the moment a player had to sing infront of the rest of the squad, they settled and were part of the team.
The year we finished 4th we brought in quite a large number of players (relative to the seasons either side) and managed to settle them in.

The answer can only really be due to the lack of stability in the club

Dunc must be scaring the shit out of them ala Pistone.