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Title: Our Youngsters
Post by: sam of the south on March 01, 2018, 10:20:41 PM
How good do we reckon they are and will be?

Which ones will flourishe when we get a new manager in?

Also, this vid 👌🏼

Kenny is such a lad, and Davies is a top wind up  :hug:



Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2018, 11:04:11 PM
Tier One: Tom Davies is pure class, we let him go and we will rue the fucking day.  He has that "special something" that Stonesy lacked.

Tier Two: DCL and Mason Holgate are legitimate contributors at the Premiership level.  DCL should at least be part of the striker rotation, and Mason at minimum the #2 CB for a long time.  Maybe not stars, but solid contributors, and players you feel good about having in the XI, or at least the squad.

Tier Three: We really need to see what we have in Lookman and Onyekuru.  I don't see how anyone could be certain yet, but we need a manager who is not only willing, but also eager to find out.  I probably also put Beni here, but YMMV.

Who am I missing?  I think Kenny is probably more of a squad player, but useful to have around.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: brap2 on March 01, 2018, 11:46:21 PM
Quietly putting my eggs in the Lookman, Davies, DCL basket.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2018, 12:29:53 AM
Massively overrated. Lookman is the 1 that could play at the highest level. Davies probably has a decent career with us. The rest probably won't be good enough to play for a decent Everton long term
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: pedrotheblue on March 02, 2018, 12:35:34 AM
Lookman and Davies both with massive potential, Davies is a ballsy little snide who reads the game well beyond his years. From the little flashes of brilliance I've seen and  if handled in the right way Lookman could be scarily good, the type of player we've been craving for years.

IF DCL can work on his finishing he'll be a very useful squad player, Holgate just needs to fill out and mature a little.

Very disappointed not to have seen more of Vlasic, been harshly treated by both our managers this season imo. Like what I've seen in parts but needs more time to show what he is capable of.

JJK again a very useful squad player, pity he hasn't got a touch more pace as this is must for any modern day FB.

I love the camaraderie there seems to be between all our young lads, anything kicks of during a game and they're all steaming in to back each other up.

It's a crying shame none of these lads have had the opportunity to play within a stable and cohesive team, given time to settle and develop their games. Instead they've had undue pressure and expectancy heaped upon them, only to be been written of by many  when they don't perform as world beaters week after week and solve all our problems. All this whilst our so called senior players fucking hide and pass the buck.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2018, 12:59:04 AM
Holgate is as naturally talented a CB you'll find but we've bought the likes of Ashley fucking Williams instead.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2018, 01:03:13 AM
Davies will be a good Premier league midfielder.

Holgate similar at cb

Lookman could literally be anything. He's got talent, he needs working with.

Dcl will probably be one of those players who is too good for the championship but not quite pl level

Baningime.... I liked the look of him tbh. I have hope he can make it and be a good pl player

Kenny will play pl football, not sure he is good enough tho really

Vlasic could be a very good player but getting no games now is hampering him

Onyereku could he absolutely anything

Anyone else in our u23s got a chance??
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Alanvideo on March 02, 2018, 01:23:20 AM
Got high hopes for Bangininme .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: gizzblue on March 02, 2018, 01:33:01 AM
Under the right manager ....all those named ...Johnjoe ,Dcl,
Vlasic ,will  be good prem players . ...I honestly believe we have special talent in Davies,Holgate ,lookman and Henry Oneyerku nurtured properly all will be great players ....hope we can keep them all ...but im not holding out hope given our history with the best talents.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2018, 03:01:11 AM
If lookman or ouyekuru are able to step up and play for us next year in the prem it could potentially save us millions, and sort out that left wing/left forward position, I would be over the fucking moon.

Dowell I think will just get slated at everton. Very happy to see him back in the fold but yeah, weíve got the 28 year old version shunted out left wing at the min so not sure heís needed right now.

Kenny, not convinced.

Holgate like him in fits and starts and pleasingly comfortable on the ball. Has a tendency so get his pants pulled down by superior players which is sort of fair enough.

Beni hard to say.

Vlasic hard to say but has impressed me personally. Would like to see him stake a claim.

DCL I donít think will ever be a prolific goal scorer but more of an all round mobile front man who can link up well. Would like to see us making chances for him but imo if your forward never puts his foot through the ball then he maybe doesnít have that gunman mentality needed. Think he will be a very good player.

Davies I absolutely love, but another one who never strikes a ball cleanly either laces or side foot. Busy and industrious and forward thinking in his play, and ONLY 19 standing out at cm is unreal. Future top player but mostly through his mentality.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: cantoffee on March 02, 2018, 09:22:57 AM
Highest potential probably Lookman, but mostly likely to succeed would be Davies.

Top mentality and the most likely to get and stay at the top of his game.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Hawkandro on March 02, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
This is why the need for a progressive coach is dire; next season we really need to be fully integrating Lookman, Vlasic, Benigime alongside giving more game time to DCL, Davies and JJK.

Lookman will be tricky to keep if you ask me. If he does well in Germany, you can see him wanting to stay there with their young players all doing very well.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Makis on March 02, 2018, 02:55:21 PM
Onyekuru might never get a work permit.

Davies has a knack of making things happen, he drives the team forward. That's a great ability to have. Still lots to do but the signs are good.

DCL looks like someone who will make a decent career as the #2 striker in a midtable PL team. A Troy Deeney type, if you will. He's still young but he needs to improve his finishing drastically to go beyond that.

Holgate has looked good in his outings but frankly in that defence it doesn't take much so the jury's out.

Kenny, too, looks a decent prospect but it was easy to see how far he's still to go when Coleman was back. Still, an attacking fullback or wing-back position in the PL is definitely doable. It's more a question of the level within.

Baningime is impossible to judge. Anyone can look good replacing Schneiderlin. He looked decent but that's about it.

Lookkman's problem is he doesn't really fit into many roles. In that sense a lot like Deulofeu, neither can defend so they have to play as wide forwards rather than midfielders. Needs to improve decision making and off-the-ball play considerably if he is to cash in on his strengths. He's no Neymar with the ball so that alone just isn't enough at this level.

Dowell has all the signs of a lower league cult player. Scores wondergoals but overall contribution is not enough for this level.

Vlasic's defensive contribution is on par with Lookman but his decision making is better with the ball and he's obviously more physical which also helps. This means he can also play centrally in the #10 role which gives more options.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: stirlingblue on March 02, 2018, 05:08:30 PM
DCL looks like he will become somebody like Callum Wilson or Jay Rodriguez, a solid PL forward but probably not the level we aspire to as a starter.

If he stays and we do get better then he could be our Welbeck
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 02, 2018, 06:49:31 PM
I think the lack of that little burst of pace will hold Davies back from becoming top level.

Similar in a way to Osman.  Probably have a good career with us but just don't see that extra little bit in him.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 03, 2018, 04:09:09 PM

Love stuff like this.

If you cut Kenny he'd bleed scouse
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Ridge on March 03, 2018, 04:24:51 PM
Can definitely see Holgate having a good PL career.

In terms of best potential I think DCL is the player with most talent. He's got ice blood when finishing and I struggle to think of forwards who were better target men at his age.

I don't think he''ll score as many as Lukaku, but I think team will score more.

We've given him fuck all supply this season, so think stats are not bad under circumstances.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Ridge on March 03, 2018, 04:32:41 PM
And I don't know what to think about Dowell. I thought he was very talented before this season, but he's scoring goals that virtually no other player can. Young players are inconsistent, so inconsistently great is not a major issue until older.

I'd want to see him develop into a Silva type player who can pull strings. If he gets better at protecting the ball, he's got the vision and touch.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 07, 2018, 01:32:11 AM
I like to have a look on other clubs forums. Mainly because I can be miserable on there and not fall out with blues

Anyways..... no one rates our young players apart from us. Maybe lookman and Davies a little bit. Not DCL. Not Kenny. Not Pickford. Not Holgate. I do think we rate them more in hope that they'll become the worldclass players we desperately need rather than what we actually see on a Saturday
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 07, 2018, 01:50:09 AM
I like to have a look on other clubs forums. Mainly because I can be miserable on there and not fall out with blues

Anyways..... no one rates our young players apart from us. Maybe lookman and Davies a little bit. Not DCL. Not Kenny. Not Pickford. Not Holgate. I do think we rate them more in hope that they'll become the worldclass players we desperately need rather than what we actually see on a Saturday
I dont rate many youngsters from other clubs tbh
Maybe cos I don't see enough of them.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 07, 2018, 01:07:42 PM
Ideally they shouldnít be getting game time with us until theyíre up to speed/standard of the 1st team (obviously not this seasonís shite). Another contributing factor to us being shite this year is weíve had far too many young players learning on the job.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 07, 2018, 01:07:54 PM
I like to have a look on other clubs forums. Mainly because I can be miserable on there and not fall out with blues

Anyways..... no one rates our young players apart from us. Maybe lookman and Davies a little bit. Not DCL. Not Kenny. Not Pickford. Not Holgate. I do think we rate them more in hope that they'll become the worldclass players we desperately need rather than what we actually see on a Saturday


Go and post there then. Sounds like you'll fit in well.

They're all good players with premier league futures, some will make it at a higher level, some will just have solid careers so am not sure what your point is?

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Makis on March 07, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
And probably most fans think the same of the youngsters at their clubs.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Morta75 on March 07, 2018, 01:52:47 PM
My pick is
Top Level: Davies and Holgate

Other that will become ok squad players
Lookman
Kenny
Dowell
Vlasic
DCL
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Hawkandro on March 07, 2018, 01:58:45 PM
Can definitely see Holgate having a good PL career.

In terms of best potential I think DCL is the player with most talent. He's got ice blood when finishing and I struggle to think of forwards who were better target men at his age.

I don't think he''ll score as many as Lukaku, but I think team will score more.

We've given him fuck all supply this season, so think stats are not bad under circumstances.

I like DCL when he is played centrally. He offers absolutely nothing on the wing though.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Hawkandro on March 07, 2018, 02:00:28 PM
My pick is
Top Level: Davies and Holgate

Other that will become ok squad players
Lookman
Kenny
Dowell
Vlasic
DCL

I think Lookman has something about him, but he is the type of player that will be unplayable one game and then unwatchable another, but he needs a good run of games first and foremost. Would be ahead of Bolasie all day long for me.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 07, 2018, 02:12:40 PM
Iím really missing what the DCL not being very good crowd at on about. I think heís got some attributes way beyond his years and level of experience should have.

Hate to compare to Harry Kane, but that guy couldnít buy a goal until a few years ago. Heís just a recent example, Iím 100% certain that goals scorers donít set the league alight in their teens. Theyíre the exception to the rule.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Toddacelli on March 07, 2018, 02:14:58 PM
And does anyone know where Vlasic is?
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 07, 2018, 02:43:37 PM
Iím really missing what the DCL not being very good crowd at on about. I think heís got some attributes way beyond his years and level of experience should have.

Hate to compare to Harry Kane, but that guy couldnít buy a goal until a few years ago. Heís just a recent example, Iím 100% certain that goals scorers donít set the league alight in their teens. Theyíre the exception to the rule.

Be interesting to see him play for a manager that doesn't treat him like Emile Heskey.

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rhys on March 07, 2018, 02:55:11 PM
Iím really missing what the DCL not being very good crowd at on about. I think heís got some attributes way beyond his years and level of experience should have.

Hate to compare to Harry Kane, but that guy couldnít buy a goal until a few years ago. Heís just a recent example, Iím 100% certain that goals scorers donít set the league alight in their teens. Theyíre the exception to the rule.

Harry Kane is a huge rarity going from where he was to where he did in such a quick time as in about 10 career goals at Dcls age now to 30+ the following season. The challenge for dcl is he doesnít look a major threat with goals. Heís played quite a lot of games but I couldnít say what kind of finisher he is, if he has a hard shot, decent shot with his left foot etc because he seems to barely have efforts on goal when he plays.

He has a lot of good attributes and must take instructions well for managers to use him as much as they have and trust him in unnatural positions to a job off the ball. So if he gets stronger and develops with the experience he will get he could become a useful forward even without goals like teams have from people like Okazaki. If he doesnít develop and become a good focal point and and doesnít add goals in he wonít make it at this level. But itís just whether goal instincts can be developed, movement around the box or how good a finisher he is but that will come down to the level of coaching as well.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Toffee1 on March 07, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
And does anyone know where Vlasic is?

He's been sent on a quest to find Sam the art of attacking football and also the trait of humility. Given that he was advised where to look by Steve Walsh, he could be gone a long time. However, all could be remedied by the appointment of a new manager and DOF, who actually know what they are doing and don't just talk a good game.

In all seriousness, this might shed a bit more light.

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/17-18/news/36366.html

Hopefully, he will be playing more next season but under a new Everton manager.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: gizzblue on March 07, 2018, 03:10:04 PM
Harry Kane is a huge rarity going from where he was to where he did in such a quick time as in about 10 career goals at Dcls age now to 30+ the following season. The challenge for dcl is he doesn't look a major threat with goals. He's played quite a lot of games but I couldn't say what kind of finisher he is, if he has a hard shot, decent shot with his left foot etc because he seems to barely have efforts on goal when he plays.

He has a lot of good attributes and must take instructions well for managers to use him as much as they have and trust him in unnatural positions to a job off the ball. So if he gets stronger and develops with the experience he will get he could become a useful forward even without goals like teams have from people like Okazaki. If he doesn't develop and become a good focal point and and doesn't add goals in he won't make it at this level. But it's just whether goal instincts can be developed, movement around the box or how good a finisher he is but that will come down to the level of coaching as well.
Let's not forget though, it's not like the entire team have had an abundance of shots this year either (lowest numbers in league)...would love to see the lad have some proper service into him as a striker to make a proper decision. ..rekon he's gonna be a quality baller though tbh.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: sam of the south on March 07, 2018, 03:13:20 PM
He's been sent on a quest to find Sam the art of attacking football and also the trait of humility. Given that he was advised where to look by Steve Walsh, he could be gone a long time. However, all could be remedied by the appointment of a new manager and DOF, who actually know what they are doing and don't just talk a good game.

In all seriousness, this might shed a bit more light.

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/17-18/news/36366.html

Hopefully, he will be playing more next season but under a new Everton manager.

My god, Allardyce waffles almost as much as Martinez
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Toffee1 on March 07, 2018, 03:17:58 PM
My god, Allardyce waffles almost as much as Martinez

Let's hope his end of the season is similar to Roberto's last at Everton.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Hawkandro on March 07, 2018, 03:26:35 PM
So, reading that, Vlasic and the other kids have done really well this season, and the senior players have let the club down with their performances, but we won't play the kids anymore and will continue with the senior players?

Riiiiiight.

Just make it stop, please. Make it stop.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 07, 2018, 03:46:44 PM
For me itís more to do with their journey to becoming 1st team regular. If we want to achieve anything as a club we canít have young defenders costing us goals, young midfielders giving the ball away and young attackers missing good chances.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 07, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
Go and post there then. Sounds like you'll fit in well.

They're all good players with premier league futures, some will make it at a higher level, some will just have solid careers so am not sure what your point is?



I guess my point is that most think our great youngsters are in the main a bit shit. That maybe people on here rate the likes of Pickford Holgate Vlasic, DCL and kenny in hope rather than anything they've seen because they've all been a bit crap
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: sam of the south on March 07, 2018, 04:53:37 PM
I guess my point is that most think our great youngsters are in the main a bit shit. That maybe people on here rate the likes of Pickford Holgate Vlasic, DCL and kenny in hope rather than anything they've seen because they've all been a bit crap

Another viewpoint could be that supporters of other clubs havenít really watched our players, and so their opinions are barely even valid
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Toddacelli on March 07, 2018, 05:14:59 PM
Another viewpoint could be that supporters of other clubs havenít really watched our players, and so their opinions are barely even valid

Yup. About as valid as my views on youngsters from... er... well any club other than Everton tbf
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 07, 2018, 05:28:36 PM
I guess my point is that most think our great youngsters are in the main a bit shit. That maybe people on here rate the likes of Pickford Holgate Vlasic, DCL and kenny in hope rather than anything they've seen because they've all been a bit crap

And just where exactly are you getting these opinions from and why are you using them as a basis on which to judge the young players.

The majority of our fans are level headed when it comes to the young players, just take this thread for example. I accept sometimes we can go over the top, but I haven't really seen anyone call these players world class.

The reason you get yourself so wound up is because everything is black and white to you.

Players are either great or shit. There's no middle ground with you, so when you see someone say something like 'I think DCL can be a very good player with inprovement' you can't comprehend anyone having such a point of view.

These are young players by the way, they're going to have periods when they are shit. That's another thing you don't seem to be able to comprehend.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 07, 2018, 05:36:02 PM
For me it’s more to do with their journey to becoming 1st team regular. If we want to achieve anything as a club we can’t have young defenders costing us goals, young midfielders giving the ball away and young attackers missing good chances.

That's what they all do though, it's called learning.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Macca77 on March 07, 2018, 05:37:58 PM
If any of our up and coming youngsters played for a more fashionable "sky club" they would have quite a few international caps by now, McTominay at United is a prime example of this, plays a few times, and instantly has Southgate asking him to commit to England, Solanke is another one, hardly played for the shite but gets an England call up.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 07, 2018, 05:49:56 PM
If any of our up and coming youngsters played for a more fashionable "sky club" they would have quite a few international caps by now, McTominay at United is a prime example of this, plays a few times, and instantly has Southgate asking him to commit to England, Solanke is another one, hardly played for the shite but gets an England call up.
I know a lad who supports man city, thinks mctominay and solanke are shit
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 07, 2018, 06:03:50 PM
Harry Kane is a huge rarity going from where he was to where he did in such a quick time as in about 10 career goals at Dcls age now to 30+ the following season. The challenge for dcl is he doesnít look a major threat with goals. Heís played quite a lot of games but I couldnít say what kind of finisher he is, if he has a hard shot, decent shot with his left foot etc because he seems to barely have efforts on goal when he plays.

He has a lot of good attributes and must take instructions well for managers to use him as much as they have and trust him in unnatural positions to a job off the ball. So if he gets stronger and develops with the experience he will get he could become a useful forward even without goals like teams have from people like Okazaki. If he doesnít develop and become a good focal point and and doesnít add goals in he wonít make it at this level. But itís just whether goal instincts can be developed, movement around the box or how good a finisher he is but that will come down to the level of coaching as well.

I was very cautious about using this as an example. But Iím too lazy to make more of an effort. But the wild direct comparison aside I think the point still stands. You get a lot of young strikers who are quality fonishers but have to work for a very long time to refine other attributes. I think this kid deserves a lot of the time because his movement is decent enough that he hasnít been shipped out, if we could refine other parts of his game then I think we have stone cold killer on our hands.

I also think itís hard for him to showcase his finishing because he gets like 1 chance every 10 or 12 games due to our system of not wanting to lose a match. So all the chances he gets he seems to try his ďtried and trustedĒ method of picking his spot, which may have served him very well in training and at previous clubs.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: brap2 on March 08, 2018, 01:54:16 PM
Harry Kane is a huge rarity going from where he was to where he did in such a quick time as in about 10 career goals at Dcls age now to 30+ the following season. The challenge for dcl is he doesnít look a major threat with goals. Heís played quite a lot of games but I couldnít say what kind of finisher he is, if he has a hard shot, decent shot with his left foot etc because he seems to barely have efforts on goal when he plays.

He has a lot of good attributes and must take instructions well for managers to use him as much as they have and trust him in unnatural positions to a job off the ball. So if he gets stronger and develops with the experience he will get he could become a useful forward even without goals like teams have from people like Okazaki. If he doesnít develop and become a good focal point and and doesnít add goals in he wonít make it at this level. But itís just whether goal instincts can be developed, movement around the box or how good a finisher he is but that will come down to the level of coaching as well.

Iím in this sort of area with him.

I think compared to most youth strikers he looks to have a rounder game, and in terms of athleticism, touch and technical ability he looks potentially very good - the worry is he doesnít look hungry for goals.

Not sure what Kane was like as a teenager, but I remember watching that u23 tournament and I wanted to pull my hair out because every time he had a sniff he would blast the ball as hard as he could. Wasnít very wise but you could plainly see he could strike a ball very cleanly from a range of angles and positions, make an inch and put it in the vicinity of the bottom corner (much like Jermaine Defoe did for his whole career).

Donít think Iíve ever seen dcl strike through a ball.

Strikes me as a training ground finisher. Take it round those two cones and bury it, you got it boss tip tap tip net. But when it comes to pure hunger for goals, lashing the cb and just twatting it - more likely to see niasse do that.

One massive, massive caveat - weíre one of the worst sides in the league for making chances, canít eat if nobodyís cookiní.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Makis on March 08, 2018, 02:04:46 PM
There was a video where DCL, Rooney and someone else did some sort of finishing competition at FF and even there DCL looked poor.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jamokachi on March 08, 2018, 02:22:59 PM
There was a video where DCL, Rooney and someone else did some sort of finishing competition at FF and even there DCL looked poor.

Well fucking hell, that settles it lads. DCL looked shite in a promotional video. Get rid now, ship him out to Forest Green.

Fuck sake.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Makis on March 08, 2018, 02:43:21 PM
Bwaahaa, I said something unflattering about DCL and spoiled your day.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 08, 2018, 02:56:43 PM
Seven goals and four assists in half a season of football, his first at any level let alone the top flight, in a team that hasn't created much all season tells us he's got something to work with.

I agree he doesn't look like a genuine finisher but he's been feeding off scraps all season and he's still mentally finding his feet at this level after a pretty rapid rise, starting with the winning goal in a World Cup final.
He, like everyone in the squad, will benefit from a stable managerial situation and someone from an attacking point of view putting an arm around him and coaching him through his finishing/movement. The fact we have the dinosaurs at the minute on borrowed time indicates he's on his own and like the rest of the kids will have to bear with it until things settle down, which isn't ideal at a crucial stage in their development.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 08, 2018, 02:59:22 PM
Seven goals and four assists in half a season of football, his first at any level let alone the top flight, in a team that hasn't created much all season tells us he's got something to work with.

I agree he doesn't look like a genuine finisher but he's been feeding off scraps all season and he's still mentally finding his feet at this level after a pretty rapid rise, starting with the winning goal in a World Cup final.
He, like everyone in the squad, will benefit from a stable managerial situation and someone from an attacking point of view putting an arm around him and coaching him through his finishing/movement. The fact we have the dinosaurs at the minute on borrowed time indicates he's on his own and like the rest of the kids will have to bear with it until things settle down, which isn't ideal at a crucial stage in their development.

I'm sure he has a few more assists than you mentioned there as well.

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 08, 2018, 03:43:06 PM
I'm sure he has a few more assists than you mentioned there as well.



Yeh he probably has, as well as winning two penalties off the top of my head against West Ham and obviously wound the shite up at their place, which counts double.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 08, 2018, 04:02:19 PM
Yeh he probably has, as well as winning two penalties off the top of my head against West Ham and obviously wound the shite up at their place, which counts double.

He shouldn't have been leading the line as he is just not experienced enough yet . He would have done well under Martinez as I think on reflection youngsters fared quite well . Can't really pan anyone playing up front this season . They should all get marks for getting in the opponents half .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 08, 2018, 04:03:53 PM
Bwaahaa, I said something unflattering about DCL and spoiled your day.

Hopefully you didn't upset anyone blaming Pickford for the goals on Sunday as he did make a flying save to compensate .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jamokachi on March 08, 2018, 04:20:01 PM
Can't pan a young forward but can pan a young goalkeeper. Once again, @Rodenplav64 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3475) with the most insightful of posts.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 08, 2018, 04:35:34 PM
I wouldn't blame any kid for their performances in this shitstorm of a season. Let's judge them when they have a competent manager and a stable environment to work in before we pass any definitive judgement.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Makis on March 08, 2018, 05:07:16 PM
Hopefully you didn't upset anyone blaming Pickford for the goals on Sunday as he did make a flying save to compensate .
Where did that come from? I haven't mentioned Pickford in any context in a long time. But if Pickford has glaring deficiencies in his game I can actually call them out. Better than pretend that all our youngsters are going to be superstars because they have absolutely no faults.

I didn't even see the match as I was visiting my mother-in-law as she turned 75.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 08, 2018, 06:28:30 PM
Been reading that DCL will get a call up the world cup squad.. if he does im betting on him to score a goal in the final,

that would be a fucking epic year for DCL, (even if he doesnt play in the world cup) being picked in the squad, would give him so much confidence.. on top of that Niasse has been chosen to represent Ghana (gueye! lol)  first time he has been picked since 2016? From no locker, to keeping Koeman in a job, to basically scoring goals and winning games when we had no attack.. to being in the world cup squad (dreams)


2 strikers that so many people shit on, hopefully will make it the biggest footballing stage.

makes me so fucking happy to be a Toffee.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 08, 2018, 06:41:20 PM
Been reading that DCL will get a call up the world cup squad.. if he does im betting on him to score a goal in the final,

that would be a fucking epic year for DCL, (even if he doesnt play in the world cup) being picked in the squad, would give him so much confidence.. on top of that Niasse has been chosen to represent Ghana (gueye! lol)  first time he has been picked since 2016? From no locker, to keeping Koeman in a job, to basically scoring goals and winning games when we had no attack.. to being in the world cup squad (dreams)


2 strikers that so many people shit on, hopefully will make it the biggest footballing stage.

makes me so fucking happy to be a Toffee.

Niasse has been called up to Senegal not Ghana?
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: BlueMaquis on March 08, 2018, 07:06:25 PM
Is being called up to the Senegal national team really that much of an achievement? I mean come on.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 08, 2018, 07:11:18 PM
Niasse has been called up to Senegal not Ghana?

sorry just wanted to include gana gueye. lol
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 08, 2018, 07:15:30 PM
Is being called up to the Senegal national team really that much of an achievement? I mean come on.

have you achieved anything thats 10% of being called up for Senegal?

regardless of whatever country you represent, its still a major honor, down playing it cos its 'Senegal' is rather pathetic.

thats like saying it wasnt an achievement for Southall,Speed etc to play for Wales..

anyway for comparison,  2002 world cup, when England had a billion more players available to them than Senegal.. they both got knocked out at the same stage (quarters)

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KevtheRat on March 08, 2018, 07:24:01 PM
Been reading that DCL will get a call up the world cup squad.. if he does im betting on him to score a goal in the final,

that would be a fucking epic year for DCL, (even if he doesnt play in the world cup) being picked in the squad, would give him so much confidence.. on top of that Niasse has been chosen to represent Ghana (gueye! lol)  first time he has been picked since 2016? From no locker, to keeping Koeman in a job, to basically scoring goals and winning games when we had no attack.. to being in the world cup squad (dreams)


2 strikers that so many people shit on, hopefully will make it the biggest footballing stage.

makes me so fucking happy to be a Toffee.

I'll take that bet and will let you name your own odds. Minimum stake £20.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 08, 2018, 07:28:39 PM
Can't pan a young forward but can pan a young goalkeeper. Once again, @Rodenplav64 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3475) with the most insightful of posts.

You talk shite and can't read and you can pan someone who you paid £32 million for and keeps making the same mistake . Troll someone else you tit .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 08, 2018, 07:43:57 PM
You talk shite and can't read and you can pan someone who you paid £32 million for and keeps making the same mistake . Troll someone else you tit .

What mistake does he keep making?

Oh, you do realise that he's 23, well recently turned 24, so he is going to make mistakes?

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: gizzblue on March 08, 2018, 07:56:05 PM
What mistake does he keep making?

Oh, you do realise that he's 23, well recently turned 24, so he is going to make mistakes?
Look how many mistakes De Gea made first few ...he was shite....people need to give the lad time ffs he's not  Southall and we're not our 80's defence either.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 08, 2018, 08:01:34 PM
Every player in our squad has been playing below their potential this season, you could make a case for pretty much everyone having made mistakes and suffered from poor form of some description. No-one should be immune from individual criticism but it must be borne in mind the shitshow we have become on the pitch this past 12 months.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 08, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
I'll take that bet and will let you name your own odds. Minimum stake £20.

your negativity is awesome.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 08, 2018, 08:40:13 PM
your negativity is awesome.

 ??? I'd like to think he was highlighting the fact England are fucking shambolic and will be nowhere near the World Cup final...... that's not negative, that's quite plainly the truth
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KevtheRat on March 08, 2018, 08:40:55 PM
??? I'd like to think he was highlighting the fact England are fucking shambolic and will be nowhere near the World Cup final...... that's not negative, that's quite plainly the truth

Correct.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 08, 2018, 08:41:38 PM
What mistake does he keep making?

Oh, you do realise that he's 23, well recently turned 24, so he is going to make mistakes?



I take it you wear the same glasses as your avatar if you need me to point them out . Fine he is young and can only get better . Cool ? Chill out its not like I have offended your Mrs or something . Its like fucking North Korea on here if you say anything negative about certain players . Just agree to disagree eh .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 08, 2018, 08:43:33 PM
Be utterly amazed if DCL is in the England squad. Jesus even England aren't quite that shit
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 08, 2018, 08:49:57 PM
Be utterly amazed if DCL is in the England squad. Jesus even England aren't quite that shit

"Hold my (lukewarm) beer"

- England
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 08, 2018, 09:04:45 PM
Be utterly amazed if DCL is in the England squad. Jesus even England aren't quite that shit

Let's hope Kane, Vardy and Rashford are all fit as beyond them the choices are pretty horrific..... in order of purely FF points this year....

Glenn Murray
Callum Wilson
DCL
Jay Rodriguez
Tammy Abraham
Dwight Gayle
Andre Grey
Troy Deeney
Charlie Austin
Danny Welbeck
Peter Crouch
Jermaine Defoe
Daniel Sturridge
Andy Carroll
Dominic Solanke
Saido Berahino

 :Sick:

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 08, 2018, 09:09:37 PM
Let's hope Kane, Vardy and Rashford are all fit as beyond them the choices are pretty horrific..... in order of purely FF points this year....

Glenn Murray
Callum Wilson
DCL
Jay Rodriguez
Tammy Abraham
Dwight Gayle
Andre Grey
Troy Deeney
Charlie Austin
Danny Welbeck
Peter Crouch
Jermaine Defoe
Daniel Sturridge
Andy Carroll
Dominic Solanke
Saido Berahino

 :Sick:



Looking at that I hope we boycott it for the Russian spy getting poisoned .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 08, 2018, 09:10:09 PM
Let's hope Kane, Vardy and Rashford are all fit as beyond them the choices are pretty horrific..... in order of purely FF points this year....

Glenn Murray
Callum Wilson
DCL
Jay Rodriguez
Tammy Abraham
Dwight Gayle
Andre Grey
Troy Deeney
Charlie Austin
Danny Welbeck
Peter Crouch
Jermaine Defoe
Daniel Sturridge
Andy Carroll
Dominic Solanke
Saido Berahino

 :Sick:



You only need one striker, possibly two at a tournament. Looks fine to me, seeing as we only play 3-4 games anyway.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 08, 2018, 09:12:20 PM
"Hold my (lukewarm) beer"

- England

I know but come on. He's nowhere near good enough
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 08, 2018, 09:13:59 PM
Surely Walcott would be a much better choice than DCL?
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 08, 2018, 09:23:46 PM
I take it you wear the same glasses as your avatar if you need me to point them out . Fine he is young and can only get better . Cool ? Chill out its not like I have offended your Mrs or something . Its like fucking North Korea on here if you say anything negative about certain players . Just agree to disagree eh .

Nope, you offered an opinion on a player and I'm responding.

You've said he's making the same mistake all the time, I don't see that, so what mistakes are you talking about?

Thing is though, he's 24, way off a goalkeepers peak, are you expecting him to not make any mistakes?

Personally think considering the shit show that's infront of him he's probably been one of our most impressive players and his potential is huge.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 08, 2018, 09:44:42 PM
I know but come on. He's nowhere near good enough

You are right, I just wanted to make a cheap "England can always rise to the challenge of being shite at the World Cup" joke.

Because I'm kind of an asshole, you see.  :D
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 08, 2018, 11:04:04 PM
Correct.

sorry my bad, but your negativity on england is bad. why wouldnt you want to see an Everton player play in the final?

i dont rate or watch England, but i do when Evertonians play. They're the only players i care for.

Be utterly amazed if DCL is in the England squad. Jesus even England aren't quite that shit

LOL nothing better than hating your own clubs players.
i tip my hat to you sir.

Looking at that I hope we boycott it for the Russian spy getting poisoned .

do you have insider information that Russia did this? its almost as bad as Russia getting blamed for rigging usa elections when all they did was leak the DNC emails to do with Hillary.. but who needs proof, lets go with what they are saying, even tho no tests or enquirers have been concluded.



anyway, if theres 4 Everton players in the England squad, then i want them to win games,.. if the Evertonians dont play.. i dont care for England.. hence why i want DCL to play.

but yeah ill take the bet.. where can i send the 20 quid?

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Bluedylan on March 08, 2018, 11:23:30 PM
Its like fucking North Korea on here if you say anything negative about certain players . Just agree to disagree eh .

Nah, because no-one is censoring you eh? It's a very different thing from loads of people just disagreeing with you, because they happen to think you're wrong. If you can't handle being disagreed with, without cry-arsing, don't offer the opinion in the first place.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 08, 2018, 11:30:14 PM
I take it you wear the same glasses as your avatar if you need me to point them out . Fine he is young and can only get better . Cool ? Chill out its not like I have offended your Mrs or something . Its like fucking North Korea on here if you say anything negative about certain players . Just agree to disagree eh .
Tbf he's only asked what the mistake you think he constantly make is?
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 08, 2018, 11:52:52 PM
Itís nice that a crop of kids have come through at the same time but weíre hardly talking about a class of Ď92 revolution. Itíll be the same as itís always been; very good players will want to leave, good to average ones might well stay at the club for their entire careers and poor ones wonít make it.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 09, 2018, 12:08:03 AM
Itís nice that a crop of kids have come through at the same time but weíre hardly talking about a class of Ď92 revolution. Itíll be the same as itís always been; very good players will want to leave, good to average ones might well stay at the club for their entire careers and poor ones wonít make it.

You haven't seen Onyekuru yet.  That lad will change EVERYTHING.

/quietly hides #9 Sandro shirt
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jamokachi on March 09, 2018, 02:17:53 AM
You talk shite and can't read and you can pan someone who you paid £32 million for and keeps making the same mistake . Troll someone else you tit .

lolol

Sorry, didn't realise cost superseded age. As you were.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 09, 2018, 02:51:06 AM
lolol

Sorry, didn't realise cost superseded age. As you were.

Arteta in your Avatar :D :D :D :D

awesome image Jamo.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 09, 2018, 06:49:32 PM
sorry my bad, but your negativity on england is bad. why wouldnt you want to see an Everton player play in the final?

i dont rate or watch England, but i do when Evertonians play. They're the only players i care for.

LOL nothing better than hating your own clubs players.
i tip my hat to you sir.

do you have insider information that Russia did this? its almost as bad as Russia getting blamed for rigging usa elections when all they did was leak the DNC emails to do with Hillary.. but who needs proof, lets go with what they are saying, even tho no tests or enquirers have been concluded.



anyway, if theres 4 Everton players in the England squad, then i want them to win games,.. if the Evertonians dont play.. i dont care for England.. hence why i want DCL to play.

but yeah ill take the bet.. where can i send the 20 quid?



No I have no insider information and I completely agree with you . It was sarcastic and I always feel spies deserve knocking off anyway .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 09, 2018, 07:04:04 PM
Nope, you offered an opinion on a player and I'm responding.

You've said he's making the same mistake all the time, I don't see that, so what mistakes are you talking about?

Thing is though, he's 24, way off a goalkeepers peak, are you expecting him to not make any mistakes?

Personally think considering the shit show that's infront of him he's probably been one of our most impressive players and his potential is huge.

I am expecting not to be called out for offering an opinion . There is a difference between he is utter fucking wank and he keeps making mistakes . He is 24 and has played over 200 games . Now that may not be that much for a keeper but in comparison it is far more experience than any other youngster in our team . That's all folks !
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 09, 2018, 07:15:52 PM
Called out hahaha
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 09, 2018, 08:13:12 PM
Nah, because no-one is censoring you eh? It's a very different thing from loads of people just disagreeing with you, because they happen to think you're wrong. If you can't handle being disagreed with, without cry-arsing, don't offer the opinion in the first place.

I am not cry arsing but I think Jordans Dad would have less of a problem than the usual suspects on here . Anyway I just look forward to a clean sheet tomorrow .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 09, 2018, 08:20:15 PM
I am expecting not to be called out for offering an opinion . There is a difference between he is utter fucking wank and he keeps making mistakes . He is 24 and has played over 200 games . Now that may not be that much for a keeper but in comparison it is far more experience than any other youngster in our team . That's all folks !

Fucking hell.

I didn't call you out.

Just disagreed with your opinion and asked you to state what mistakes he keeps making.

I'll gladly get into a discussion about Pickford with you as I think he's the business.

So, what mistake is it that he keeps making? I see flaws in his game but have no doubt these will improve over time, but I don't see him making constant errors. If anything he's been our most consistent performer, do you disagree?
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2018, 08:29:31 PM
I am expecting not to be called out for offering an opinion . There is a difference between he is utter fucking wank and he keeps making mistakes . He is 24 and has played over 200 games . Now that may not be that much for a keeper but in comparison it is far more experience than any other youngster in our team . That's all folks !

Pickford clearly needs work but he's a decent work in progress. He's been exposed this season by our worst set of defenders in recent memory so needs cutting a bit of slack. All he's ever known so far is balls flying at him constantly by teams who can't defend, his career has been like one long training session and not a very good one at that.

I've said it before but I'll give any of our kids a free pass for this season's shitshow. Let's see what they can do in a stable managerial environment.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 09, 2018, 09:03:30 PM
Fucking hell.

I didn't call you out.

Just disagreed with your opinion and asked you to state what mistakes he keeps making.

I'll gladly get into a discussion about Pickford with you as I think he's the business.

So, what mistake is it that he keeps making? I see flaws in his game but have no doubt these will improve over time, but I don't see him making constant errors. If anything he's been our most consistent performer, do you disagree?

Fuck me I feel like EFC Taxi or whatever his name was . The flaws you see are the mistakes I see . You think he is the bollocks I don't so no point in discussing it but poor positioning , getting bullied at corners and pushing it straight back into the box after 200 games are 3 . I agree with Lxxx to a certain extent and like I have said on a  few occasions this season is a fucking write off for a number of reasons . Next season is a fresh a start for anyone who has anything to do with the club ( except Ashley , Sam and Sammy hopefully ) . Hopefully we will have more to agree on for a start . He has made some cracking saves and after another 200 games by which time he will still be young  for a keeper he may have ironed out the 3 flaws I mentioned .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 09, 2018, 09:44:02 PM
I've never seen a keeper that pushes so much back into the danger area. His distribution is vastly overrated. He lumps it and on the occasions he doesn't just boot possession away he's a genius. Flaps at plenty too

Now I'm not saying he's not a good prospect. I wouldn't have a clue on that. He's not had a very good season though. If Robles had had the season Pickford is having the same people who are suggesting he might be player of the year would be completely slating him and demanding a replacement
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2018, 10:03:03 PM
I've never seen a keeper that pushes so much back into the danger area. His distribution is vastly overrated. He lumps it and on the occasions he doesn't just boot possession away he's a genius. Flaps at plenty too

Now I'm not saying he's not a good prospect. I wouldn't have a clue on that. He's not had a very good season though. If Robles had had the season Pickford is having the same people who are suggesting he might be player of the year would be completely slating him and demanding a replacement

He'd benefit greatly by playing in front of at least one defender who can lead and organise whilst defending properly. Robles played in front of a decent defence last season and still managed to look like the last pick in the playground at times.

If he can smarten up his game until the end of the season and concentrate on not making too many errors he'll be England's number one goalkeeper going into a world cup. Which is a decent level to be at and one which gives us something to build on.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 09, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
He'd benefit greatly by playing in front of at least one defender who can lead and organise whilst defending properly. Robles played in front of a decent defence last season and still managed to look like the last pick in the playground at times.

If he can smarten up his game until the end of the season and concentrate on not making too many errors he'll be England's number one goalkeeper going into a world cup. Which is a decent level to be at and one which gives us something to build on.

Funny thing is...he's used to playing with Holgate, FFS!  And we barely have used him in front of Pickford.  Holgate is plenty intelligent, though it's asking a lot of him to be the lead CB (and Funes Mori is at least half-mental back there, though I like him).
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 09, 2018, 10:52:41 PM
i think i've seen Pickford make 2 mistakes all season.

the only part of his game i didnt like was, he kicking the ball to the other end of hte pitch, when we didnt have players suitable to get on the end of it, but even so he has excellent long range passing.. If we had players who could utalise that, i would have loved it.. but thats not Pickfords fault.

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 09, 2018, 11:28:00 PM
i think i've seen Pickford make 2 mistakes all season.

the only part of his game i didnt like was, he kicking the ball to the other end of hte pitch, when we didnt have players suitable to get on the end of it, but even so he has excellent long range passing.. If we had players who could utalise that, i would have loved it.. but thats not Pickfords fault.



Specsavers .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 09, 2018, 11:34:11 PM
Specsavers .

that solidifies your point so much more.

go on then bud, tell me what same mistakes he keeps making. not calling you out... i just want to gain an understanding on what im not seeing.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 10, 2018, 12:12:28 AM
He'd benefit greatly by playing in front of at least one defender who can lead and organise whilst defending properly. Robles played in front of a decent defence last season and still managed to look like the last pick in the playground at times.

If he can smarten up his game until the end of the season and concentrate on not making too many errors he'll be England's number one goalkeeper going into a world cup. Which is a decent level to be at and one which gives us something to build on.

Don't disagree he's not been helped or that he could become a quality keeper. Just don't get why people have to pretend he's performed well. He hasn't but like you say there's plenty of mitigation
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 10, 2018, 12:15:02 AM
i think i've seen Pickford make 2 mistakes all season.

the only part of his game i didnt like was, he kicking the ball to the other end of hte pitch, when we didnt have players suitable to get on the end of it, but even so he has excellent long range passing.. If we had players who could utalise that, i would have loved it.. but thats not Pickfords fault.



My memory is shite. So we've got the save before the Watford pen. The goal against Arsenal where he pushed it back into danger. Are they the 2. I think I've probably seen closer to 20 (not all leading to goals)
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 10, 2018, 12:46:01 AM
I think he's played well.

Anyone else?
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Ross on March 10, 2018, 12:53:07 AM
Canít understand the joy some people seemingly get in pulling young inexperienced players apart.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 10, 2018, 01:06:09 AM
Canít understand the joy some people seemingly get in pulling young inexperienced players apart.


AKA taking the blue tinted glasses off.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 10, 2018, 01:10:38 AM
Can’t understand the joy some people seemingly get in pulling young inexperienced players apart.

Grow up mate .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: benny on March 10, 2018, 01:39:08 AM
Grow up mate .
          sounds like the kettle calling the pot
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: BlueForYou on March 10, 2018, 01:40:26 AM
Pickford @ £30m? Bargain

If Utd sell De Gea, they'll offer £50m+ for him


 
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Ross on March 10, 2018, 01:47:17 AM

AKA taking the blue tinted glasses off.


Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Grow up mate .

Constructive criticism is fine by me.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: blue slug on March 10, 2018, 01:55:43 AM
Just wondering where people place Pickford in the prem when rating goalkeepers, I personally rate Lloris, de gea, courtouis, butland and perhaps ederson above him, three of them being world class so in my opinion heís good, young and will get better especially when we have defenders who can defend in front of him
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 10, 2018, 02:16:57 AM
so theres like 10+ Evertonians who think Pickford is pretty good for his age,,. then you have 2 people who think he is a liability..


ill go with the 10 plus Evertonians.. Also i expect Pickford to be Englands number 1 come the world cup, he is the most consistently played english goal keeper who has performed the best this season.


not sure what the 2 negative evertonians have been watching.. maybe they they think Howard was better..
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jamokachi on March 10, 2018, 02:27:32 AM

AKA taking the blue tinted glasses off.


Aye, but replacing them with 'everything is shit' tinted specs doesn't work either.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jamokachi on March 10, 2018, 02:28:16 AM
Pickford @ £30m? Bargain

If Utd sell De Gea, they'll offer £50m+ for him


 

I reckon they'd get over 100m.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 10, 2018, 02:48:36 AM
Aye, but replacing them with 'everything is shit' tinted specs doesn't work either.

My opinions on most of our players are in line with most none Everton fans.

No one outside of our forums think Pickford has had a good season. No one thinks DCL is a great prospect

We've been here before time and time again in fact. Rodwell Cadamateri branch etc etc etc.

I'm not saying Pickford is shit. I'm not saying he won't make a great keeper. He sure hasn't been good this season though. I don't know why people pretend he has.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Ross on March 10, 2018, 03:00:29 AM
My opinions on most of our players are in line with most none Everton fans.

No one outside of our forums think Pickford has had a good season. No one thinks DCL is a great prospect

We've been here before time and time again in fact. Rodwell Cadamateri branch etc etc etc.

I'm not saying Pickford is shit. I'm not saying he won't make a great keeper. He sure hasn't been good this season though. I don't know why people pretend he has.

Be great to see these links from other forums, and the likes, critiquing both players so verbosely if you can provide them.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 10, 2018, 03:02:57 AM
Plenty of people in the game really rate Pickford and DCL.

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 10, 2018, 03:05:06 AM
My opinions on most of our players are in line with most none Everton fans.

No one outside of our forums think Pickford has had a good season. No one thinks DCL is a great prospect

We've been here before time and time again in fact. Rodwell Cadamateri branch etc etc etc.

I'm not saying Pickford is shit. I'm not saying he won't make a great keeper. He sure hasn't been good this season though. I don't know why people pretend he has.
But you don't get that most fans don't rate other teams players do you?

Cos Liverpool fans dont rate Pickford doesnt validate your opinion

Cos man city fans aren't arsed about dcl doesn't validate your opinion

You say we wear blue tinted glasses but the general opinion on these two is that Pickford could be England no 1... A debate was on sky sports this week about it

Dcl can have a decent career, if he kicks on he could be pretty good.

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jamokachi on March 10, 2018, 03:10:22 AM
My opinions on most of our players are in line with most none Everton fans.

No one outside of our forums think Pickford has had a good season. No one thinks DCL is a great prospect

We've been here before time and time again in fact. Rodwell Cadamateri branch etc etc etc.

I'm not saying Pickford is shit. I'm not saying he won't make a great keeper. He sure hasn't been good this season though. I don't know why people pretend he has.

Non Everton fans don't watch Everton games, unless we're plying their team, though. We aren't a fashionable club that people enjoy watching (like City, Spurs, Liverpool etc). So when people see the highlights reel on MOTD of Pickford conceding over and over they're bound to think he's been poor. It's all about perception, and this is what you're failing to grasp.

It's the same on here, many of our opinions of other teams players are skewed by the fact we simply don't watch them regularly. We rely on other peoples opinions and highlight reels.

Pickford has been good this year. The majority of Everton fans recognise this, and any pundit/reporter/journalist worth listening to will tell you the same. Has he made some errors? Of course! Who hasn't? Even Ederson has been guilty of a couple howlers, he's still a top keeper.

The comparisons to Rodwell and Cadamateri are silly. Most Evertonians could have told you they had limitations to their game, especially the latter.

Pickford is the best 'keeper we've had since Martin (and possibly Howard's early days). He's already one of the best in the league, and will only get better. I honestly have no idea what you and his other detractors are expecting? And why you're failing to acknowledge how good he has been, but rather focussing on the small amount of errors he's made. It must be exhausting being so negative all the time.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 10, 2018, 03:26:39 AM
some Evertonians where red tinted glasses.

who'd have funked it.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: pedrotheblue on March 10, 2018, 04:39:07 AM
I think he's played well.

Anyone else?

He played  a ball forward last week some of our midfielders could only dream of.

In goalkeeping terms he's still a kid, I genuinely believe  he'll turn out to be our best keeper since Southall.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 10, 2018, 05:22:12 AM
A massively underperforming Premier League side with 3 different managers thatís at times relying heavily on its youngsters to pull them away from relegation is not the right situation to judge those players.

They should be brought through slowly, learning their trade in a stable team of professionals.

I rate Pickford and Davies highly and Iíll give the others more time.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Makis on March 10, 2018, 05:27:12 AM
Non Everton fans don't watch Everton games, unless we're plying their team, though. We aren't a fashionable club that people enjoy watching (like City, Spurs, Liverpool etc). So when people see the highlights reel on MOTD of Pickford conceding over and over they're bound to think he's been poor. It's all about perception, and this is what you're failing to grasp.
And Everton fans don't watch enough of other teams to form a balanced opinion either.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jamokachi on March 10, 2018, 05:55:20 AM
And Everton fans don't watch enough of other teams to form a balanced opinion either.

Which is what I said, you crank. Don't edit a quote to suit your agenda.

It's the same on here, many of our opinions of other teams players are skewed by the fact we simply don't watch them regularly. We rely on other peoples opinions and highlight reels.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 10, 2018, 04:30:53 PM
Which is what I said, you crank. Don't edit a quote to suit your agenda.


this made me giggle..

Makis and fake news...(posts)
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Makis on March 10, 2018, 05:36:57 PM
Seriously, any idiot who uses the frog in any form or shape needs a good whacking. Either you are an idiot because you don't know what it is or you shouldn't leave r/TheDonald and 4chan.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 10, 2018, 05:45:43 PM
He played  a ball forward last week some of our midfielders could only dream of.

In goalkeeping terms he's still a kid, I genuinely believe  he'll turn out to be our best keeper since Southall.

I hope your right but simple as it may sound I want the keeper to keep the ball out of the net before he starts playing Messi like passes . He should have saved both those goals last week and that was unanimous in many reports after the match . Goalkeeping is a bit shit at times because you are reliant on your defenders but you also have to consistently get all aspects of your game right . He was the same at Sunderland some worldy saves but plenty of goals where he should have done a lot better . He has been the same since he came here and everyone just wants to blame the defence . Funny now that Robles only kept so many clean sheets because we had a good defence . Some people just need to accept that along with the good there has been a fair bit of bad . Like I said he comes good , we come good so I hope he is the best out there . Can we find the defence to back him up though .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 10, 2018, 08:32:16 PM
Seriously, any idiot who uses the frog in any form or shape needs a good whacking. Either you are an idiot because you don't know what it is or you shouldn't leave r/TheDonald and 4chan.


top kekz,  Pepe is the prophet of kek, for the displaced people of Kekistan, its basically against identity politics.. everyone is green. Kek is the primordial force of chaos, its tongue and cheek to go against the Order.
if it makes you happier, ill make a Kek/Everton avatar.

it has nothing to do with the alt right(btw im indian.. your typical alt right person?), or whatever the media tells you, ive been on 4chan for well over a decade.. i dont use reddit, besides for soccer streams.

why dont you educate me and tell me what Pepe means. more so, tell me what smug Pepe means.

protip, smug pepe + everton shirt, = expecting great things to happen for Everton.

learn your memes.

but seriously, nice way to deflect from you editing a post and retorting with non-sense, why didnt you just use the original quote for Jamo?

today is the first match i'm not going to since before xmas, next time i go.. ill let you know.. you can come give me a whacking.
really cant believe some people get offended by MEMES. that to me is comedy gold. surely there must be something more worthwhile in your life to get offended by.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Makis on March 10, 2018, 08:57:08 PM
Why would being Indian stop you from being alt-right?

And Pepe is the symbol of the worst of the alt-right. You could pretty much paint a swastika on that shirt if you want  to denigrate it. Wouldn't make much difference. And I know it's originally from India.

You can educate yourself with:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/entertainment/pepe-the-frog-is-now-a-racist-symbol/2016/09/28/39797d3a-85b9-11e6-b57d-dd49277af02f_video.html?utm_term=.56b246965723
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-pepe-the-frog-hate-symbol-20161011-snap-htmlstory.html

I edited the message because I only wanted to include the relevant part. I read the message too quickly and didn't realise he said the same thing.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Gash on March 10, 2018, 09:31:07 PM
Anyway, our youngsters.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: GLewis on March 10, 2018, 11:55:50 PM
Person next to me hates Davies.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Shogun on March 11, 2018, 12:00:42 AM
Person next to me hates Davies.

Need to tell yer da to shut up then.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: GLewis on March 11, 2018, 12:01:52 AM
Need to tell yer da to shut up then.

He sits behind me :)
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Morta75 on March 11, 2018, 02:47:38 PM
I think Lookman has something about him, but he is the type of player that will be unplayable one game and then unwatchable another, but he needs a good run of games first and foremost. Would be ahead of Bolasie all day long for me.
I agree with that. He is a good prospect, but are very Inconsistent as u say. I doubt he will get game time every week as I think that is what he needs to take the next step at Everton. I would like to see him go to championship for a season.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 11, 2018, 04:39:47 PM
i really dont get how anyone can hate the youngsters.. they're still learning the trade, so to speak. the only experience they really have is reserve games,youth football.. its a pretty big step up from that level to be consistently in the the first team squad, As we all know, when we're younger we make mistakes. It takes a bit of time to get past that and too iron them out..
The more they play, the less mistakes they will make.. but if that not the case, least give them til they've had a few seasons with us before the hate starts.


some people want instant success... with youth,, which is highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 11, 2018, 05:24:07 PM
i really dont get how anyone can hate the youngsters.. they're still learning the trade, so to speak. the only experience they really have is reserve games,youth football.. its a pretty big step up from that level to be consistently in the the first team squad, As we all know, when we're younger we make mistakes. It takes a bit of time to get past that and too iron them out..
The more they play, the less mistakes they will make.. but if that not the case, least give them til they've had a few seasons with us before the hate starts.


some people want instant success... with youth,, which is highly unlikely.

Does anyone hate the youngsters. Saying someone hasn't had a great season isn't hate. My mum is absolutely crap at football I do quite like her though. People are so dramatic. There's a grey area between Pickford being player of the year and people wanting him beaten about his large buttocks with sticks cos they hate him.

I'm possibly the most miserable person on here and I don't hate any of them. There's quite a list of players it's apparently okay to hate (Williams Martina Morgan)
I'm a little baffled as to why that's acceptable but not rating DCL really isn't
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 11, 2018, 05:30:15 PM
Does anyone hate the youngsters. Saying someone hasn't had a great season isn't hate. My mum is absolutely crap at football I do quite like her though. People are so dramatic. There's a grey area between Pickford being player of the year and people wanting him beaten about his large buttocks with sticks cos they hate him.

I'm possibly the most miserable person on here and I don't hate any of them. There's quite a list of players it's apparently okay to hate (Williams Martina Morgan)
I'm a little baffled as to why that's acceptable but not rating DCL really isn't

maybe hate was too strong of a word,

DCL just turned 21, he has played less than a full season, he's still learning his trade (as i pointed out in my previous post about youngsters) he hasnt developed fully.

while While Williams Martina and Morgan are hated as the trundle around the pitch like they dont give a fuck about Everton(non of our youngsters act like that) plus they are SEASONED proffesionals. who are pretty woeful.

do you see the difference?
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 11, 2018, 05:34:23 PM
maybe hate was too strong of a word,

DCL just turned 21, he has played less than a full season, he's still learning his trade (as i pointed out in my previous post about youngsters) he hasnt developed fully.

while While Williams Martina and Morgan are hated as the trundle around the pitch like they dont give a fuck about Everton(non of our youngsters act like that) plus they are SEASONED proffesionals. who are pretty woeful.

do you see the difference?

Of course I see the difference. I get a DCL needs more slack and time. However you get a much worse response on here saying you simply don't think DCL will be good enough than you do saying you hate Williams or calling Allardyce all sorts of names
I'm genuinely not having williams has been poor to spite us. He's either out of form or just not very good anymore. I don't get why anyone hates him. I don't get why anyone's so insulted when you don't rate 1 of the young players.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 11, 2018, 05:47:44 PM
Of course I see the difference. I get a DCL needs more slack and time. However you get a much worse response on here saying you simply don't think DCL will be good enough than you do saying you hate Williams or calling Allardyce all sorts of names
I'm genuinely not having williams has been poor to spite us. He's either out of form or just not very good anymore. I don't get why anyone hates him. I don't get why anyone's so insulted when you don't rate 1 of the young players.

i see the hate coming for players who cant be arsed on the pitch..

i dont think anyone gets insulted when you dont rate a young player,its that the rating of player is based on very limited knowledge/experience of the player.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: brap2 on March 11, 2018, 08:51:34 PM
Person next to me hates Davies.

Started hearing more and more of it by me as well. Not every pass has to go forward, even at 2-0 there’s people expecting through balls at every touch.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Major Clanger on March 11, 2018, 09:01:40 PM
I'm possibly the most miserable person on here and I don't hate any of them. There's quite a list of players it's apparently okay to hate (Williams Martina Morgan)
I'm a little baffled as to why that's acceptable but not rating DCL really isn't

Yeah, it's really baffling, isn't it.

I mean, it's not like one group consists of experienced players, full internationals, and the other of kids who've barely had a sniff at first team football.

A mystery wrapped in an enema.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 11, 2018, 09:16:50 PM
Yeah, it's really baffling, isn't it.

I mean, it's not like one group consists of experienced players, full internationals, and the other of kids who've barely had a sniff at first team football.

A mystery wrapped in an enema.

You think they are doing it on purpose?? That Williams is out to get us and so playing shit on purpose. Hate is a very strong emotion for an athlete or manager who maybe isnt quite good enough.

Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Major Clanger on March 11, 2018, 09:23:16 PM
You think they are doing it on purpose?? That Williams is out to get us and so playing shit on purpose. Hate is a very strong emotion for an athlete or manager who maybe isnt quite good enough.

Some of them definitely give less of a shit than others. Which isn't something I've ever seen from DCL or Davies, who always work their arses off, even when they're having a shit game.

And let's not pretend that people on here are being criticised for saying DCL isn't quite ready yet or maybe will never be good enough. You're only criticised if you go massively over the top.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 11, 2018, 10:30:12 PM
Can the moderators not just print a list of things you can't say and players you can't criticise .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 11, 2018, 10:53:01 PM
Can the moderators not just print a list of things you can't say and players you can't criticise .

lol,  no go ahead keep criticizing players who have played less than a season of first team football,, as that shows where your coming from.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: brap2 on March 11, 2018, 10:55:05 PM
Honestly got no idea what yous are talking about
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 11, 2018, 11:15:18 PM
lol,  no go ahead keep criticizing players who have played less than a season of first team football,, as that shows where your coming from.

Who have I criticised who is in his first season ?
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 11, 2018, 11:19:30 PM
Who have I criticised who is in his first season ?

lol Pickford!

sorry i meant in general, not just you bud, lots of posters in here have criticized the youth.

i should go back and edit my post :p
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 11, 2018, 11:24:21 PM
Can the moderators not just print a list of things you can't say and players you can't criticise .
Everyone is open to criticism
Every comment is open to criticism

People have asked you over and over about the mistakes your think Pickford makes over and over and you haven't really said a lot

No player is beyond criticism, this forum is one of the best around for that tbf
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 11, 2018, 11:24:51 PM
lol Pickford!

sorry i meant in general, not just you bud, lots of posters in here have criticized the youth.

i should go back and edit my post :p

No need as I have criticised our Jordan ( who has played a shit load of games btw ) and I don't mind being wrong about him in the long term but not any of the other youngsters I don't think . I wouldn't mind seeing more and the age of the squad drop . Think they have showed more passion than their overpaid senior team mates .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 11, 2018, 11:32:35 PM
Everyone is open to criticism
Every comment is open to criticism

People have asked you over and over about the mistakes your think Pickford makes over and over and you haven't really said a lot

No player is beyond criticism, this forum is one of the best around for that tbf

Only because I can't be arsed reviewing every game but off the top of my head he wasn't great in quite a few games Burnley , Arsenal , Tottenham (both games ), Bournemouth , Man Utd ............................. he did well in plenty but wasn't good enough in some . I accept the counter arguments but that is still my over all opinion of him so far .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 11, 2018, 11:36:05 PM
Only because I can't be arsed reviewing every game but off the top of my head he wasn't great in quite a few games Burnley , Arsenal , Tottenham (both games ), Bournemouth , Man Utd ............................. he did well in plenty but wasn't good enough in some . I accept the counter arguments but that is still my over all opinion of him so far .
And your welcome to your opinion
When you say he makes the same mistakes tho and people say what same mistakes that's not people calling you out, that's not people saying Pickford is not beyond criticism that's people saying what same mistakes so they can discuss with you
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Major Clanger on March 11, 2018, 11:47:17 PM
Can the moderators not just print a list of things you can't say and players you can't criticise .

Dunno what the moderators have to do with this.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 12, 2018, 12:29:13 AM
Honestly got no idea what yous are talking about

People have seen their arse because someone has disagreed with them.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 12, 2018, 01:30:07 AM
And your welcome to your opinion
When you say he makes the same mistakes tho and people say what same mistakes that's not people calling you out, that's not people saying Pickford is not beyond criticism that's people saying what same mistakes so they can discuss with you

Pushing the ball back into the danger area . Gets bullied at corners . Poor positioning at times . Poor distribution . like I said I accept peoples counter arguments . The mod bit was sarcasm and I apologise if people didn't get it . I haven't seen my arse either its a forum .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 12, 2018, 01:40:11 AM
I see itís business as usual in here.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 12, 2018, 01:49:20 AM
Pushing the ball back into the danger area . Gets bullied at corners . Poor positioning at times . Poor distribution . like I said I accept peoples counter arguments . The mod bit was sarcasm and I apologise if people didn't get it . I haven't seen my arse either its a forum .


i dont agree with much of that, but even if i did.

He's still the best ENGLISH keeper.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 12, 2018, 01:52:16 AM
He has made the odd mistake, which is perfectly understandable, he's still a young keeper.
The only mistake he was making over and over was pushing the ball back in to the danger area, but he's even stopped doing that now.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 12, 2018, 02:54:23 PM
He has made the odd mistake, which is perfectly understandable, he's still a young keeper.
The only mistake he was making over and over was pushing the ball back in to the danger area, but he's even stopped doing that now.

That can only be a good thing . I ACCEPT THE COUNTER ARGUMENTS . Move on .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 12, 2018, 03:56:53 PM
A few weeks of not picking the ball out of his own net might do his confidence the world of good too.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 12, 2018, 04:19:56 PM
A few weeks of not picking the ball out of his own net might do his confidence the world of good too.

Well I did say when we signed him I worried he was shell shocked and had done his back from a season of picking the ball out of Sunderlands net . He has been picking it out of ours just as much so yes I hope a settled defence helps him no end .
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 12, 2018, 06:26:23 PM
I think a bit too much gets made of him ''pushing the ball back in to the danger area'' to be honest.

The only really poor one I can remember was at Palace away.  Wasn't a particularly hard shot but he palmed straight to their player who scored.

Not every save can be caught or pushed 20 yards wide of the nearest attacker.

Not sure where the ''getting bullied at corners'' shout comes from either.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: sam of the south on March 12, 2018, 06:51:32 PM
Anyone know if Anthonee Robinson is a viable option for LB competition next year?
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 12, 2018, 07:01:09 PM
I think a bit too much gets made of him ''pushing the ball back in to the danger area'' to be honest.

The only really poor one I can remember was at Palace away.  Wasn't a particularly hard shot but he palmed straight to their player who scored.

Not every save can be caught or pushed 20 yards wide of the nearest attacker.

Not sure where the ''getting bullied at corners'' shout comes from either.

I think it comes from the fact he isn't 6'4" and we don't have any dominant centre halves to give him a bit of a hand in that area with high balls swung in. It probably appears he struggles more than the actual reality of the situation.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jamokachi on March 13, 2018, 02:22:03 AM
I think Pickford has been really commanding at corners and crosses, for the most part.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 19, 2018, 01:23:20 AM
Antonee Robinson has been  called up to the US national team.

Anyone seen much of him?
He must have been playing well at Bolton to get the call up.

Maybe he's the long term answer to our LB problem.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 19, 2018, 04:06:58 AM
Anyone know if Lookman is getting many minutes at RBL? Itís gone a bit quiet since that winner he got early on.
Title: Our Youngsters
Post by: mikey_blue on March 19, 2018, 04:49:55 AM
Anyone know if Lookman is getting many minutes at RBL? It's gone a bit quiet since that winner he got early on.

Unused sub against Bayern in their win tonight.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: BlueForYou on March 19, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
Same role, different club
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Ramjam on March 19, 2018, 02:53:18 PM
Unused sub against Bayern in their win tonight.
Makes the Derby Country offer look like the correct one
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 19, 2018, 03:13:19 PM
Allardyce was right. Lookman has gone on loan to a club where he isnít playing
Daft move. We actually shouldnít have let him go there
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Alanvideo on March 19, 2018, 03:55:08 PM
Anyone know if Anthonee Robinson is a viable option for LB competition next year?
.................getting loads of praise in the Echo today. Might be an option /understudy to Baines next season. We shouldn't need to go after Luke Shaw if this lad is the business.
 
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Lxxx on March 19, 2018, 04:28:27 PM
If we bring in a manager like Fonseca who knows little to nothing about this squad, our youngsters or even the English league then these kids might stand a chance if they put in a proper fitness shift this summer to get up to speed quickly and try and impress. Someone like that is probably what we need, no pre-conceived ideas of ability or talent based on transfer fee or wages.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: brap2 on March 19, 2018, 04:52:46 PM
Think Iíd rather lookman work on the tactical side of his game in a league like Germany rather than working on graham Taylor ball under big Sam tbh
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: sam of the south on March 19, 2018, 05:13:51 PM
.................getting loads of praise in the Echo today. Might be an option /understudy to Baines next season. We shouldn't need to go after Luke Shaw if this lad is the business.
 

Yeah, saw some great tweets from Bolton supporters about him, regarding his call-up for the Americans.

They say he is rapid, great going forward, physical, with a great engine, and is improving his defending all the time.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: sam of the south on March 19, 2018, 05:15:51 PM
Think Iíd rather lookman work on the tactical side of his game in a league like Germany rather than working on graham Taylor ball under big Sam tbh

I agree on one hand, but canít help feeling heíll want out after this; imagine going from working under Koeman and Allardyce and then getting to experience the top end of the Bundesliga.

I think his head will be turned.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: sam of the south on March 19, 2018, 05:17:45 PM
If we bring in a manager like Fonseca who knows little to nothing about this squad, our youngsters or even the English league then these kids might stand a chance if they put in a proper fitness shift this summer to get up to speed quickly and try and impress. Someone like that is probably what we need, no pre-conceived ideas of ability or talent based on transfer fee or wages.

Yes, and you would imagine a new wave coach like that realising the importance of strong communication with all coaches and personnel at the club they are going into.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 19, 2018, 05:48:52 PM
He's played quite a bit like, certainly enough to develop his game.

Allardyce has absolutely no clue what the best way to develop a player like lookman is.

He's at a team playing a a very high level, in the latter stages of the Europa league.

The education and experience he'll get from that alone will be valuable.

There's been quite a few British players who've decided to move abroad over the last 12 months and they all talk about how much more they're learning over there.

There's a world outside English football like.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: sam of the south on March 19, 2018, 05:56:39 PM
He's played quite a bit like, certainly enough to develop his game.

Allardyce has absolutely no clue what the best way to develop a player like lookman is.

He's at a team playing a a very high level, in the latter stages of the Europa league.

The education and experience he'll get from that alone will be valuable.

There's been quite a few British players who've decided to move abroad over the last 12 months and they all talk about how much more they're learning over there.

There's a world outside English football like.

Indeed.

The fact he was ballsy enough to force through the loan move in the first place shows the ambition and open mind that he has.

If Allardyce stays and we donít get in a progressive Manager, the likes of Lookman, Vlasic, and Holgate will want out.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 19, 2018, 06:10:28 PM
Allardyce was right. Lookman has gone on loan to a club where he isn't playing
Daft move. We actually shouldn't have let him go there
He's started more games than been sub tbf.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 19, 2018, 06:30:30 PM
He's started more games than been sub tbf.

Has he. Just seems his minutes have started to dry up now. Iíd just rather our loan players find a level they become vital to a team at.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 19, 2018, 06:42:20 PM
Has he. Just seems his minutes have started to dry up now. I'd just rather our loan players find a level they become vital to a team at.
Even if he training with better players it would be a boost for the lad but he has been starting games in a very tough league..... None of this matters tho if Allardyce stays as he won't be involved
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: brap2 on March 19, 2018, 06:56:42 PM
I agree on one hand, but canít help feeling heíll want out after this; imagine going from working under Koeman and Allardyce and then getting to experience the top end of the Bundesliga.

I think his head will be turned.

Probably, if thatís the case thatís the case, doubt it would have been much different if he was here sitting on his arse.

Hopefully we can frame it that heís been away, worked on his game and now heís in contention for a spot in next seasons starting 11..
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: BlueForYou on March 20, 2018, 12:27:38 AM
Sign another couple of youngsters -

Adama Traore and Josh Sims
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 28, 2018, 12:04:38 AM
https://twitter.com/WatchedToffee/status/978678242461790209
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 28, 2018, 12:45:08 AM
https://twitter.com/WatchedToffee/status/978688848657108993
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 28, 2018, 12:50:22 AM
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/978689795835641856
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 28, 2018, 01:10:14 AM
live match stream of the under 21s and team.


http://soccer.streamcartel.org/1.html?ch78

TEAM

Gunn
Kenny
Fry
Worrall
Chilwell
Davies
Onomah
Gray
Maddison
Sessegnon
Calvert-Lewin
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 28, 2018, 01:21:50 AM
Whoís Maddison? Thatís a cracking ball. Great finish from DCL too
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 28, 2018, 01:22:16 AM
WOW, what a clearance from Kenny,
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 28, 2018, 01:46:41 AM
winning 2-1  now  Kenny man of the Match
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 28, 2018, 01:49:52 AM
Whoís Maddison? Thatís a cracking ball. Great finish from DCL too


Plays for Norwich, we have been linked with him along with Livepool.

when he came off, Lookman was the only player to give him congrats... hope thats a sign.
Title: Re: Our Youngsters
Post by: TheRam on March 28, 2018, 01:53:08 AM
Whoís Maddison? Thatís a cracking ball. Great finish from DCL too


Boss player him. Should defo be having a look at him