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Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 04, 2018, 06:51:47 PM
We have so many players,some great youth coming through, some dead weights.. which do you think deserve to be here next season, or which do you think have long term futures with us.



Goalkeepers             Nationality           Contract Expires    Status                                  what to do!

1    Jordan Pickford    England         June 2022                                             First team starter                           
22    Maarten Stekelenburg    Netherlands    June 2019                                 Sell
33    Joel Robles               Spain    June 2018                                                  Free   
 
Defenders    Nationality    Contract Expires    Status

3    Leighton Baines    England    June 2019                                               Squad player
4    Michael Keane    England    June 2022                                                            squad player/first team
5    Ashley Williams    Wales    June 2019                                                  Sell
6    Phil Jagielka    England    June 2019                                                          squad/backroom staff?                                       
13    Eliaquim Mangala    France    June 2018    On Loan Injured                    send him back
15    Cuco Martina    Curacao    June 2020                                                          free transfer/sell
23    Seamus Coleman    Ireland    June 2022                                                  first team
25    Ramiro Funes Mori    Argentina    June 2020                                          Squad player/maybe first team
30    Mason Holgate    England    June 2022                                                   First team/future prospect
36    Luke Garbutt    England    June 2020                                                           reserve player/sell if replacement found
43    Jonjoe Kenny    England    June 2022                                                           Squad/first team
 
Midfielders    Nationality    Contract Expires    Status
 
2    Morgan Schneiderlin    France    June 2021                                          SELL SELL SELL
16    James McCarthy    Ireland    June 2020    Injured                                     Squad player
17    Idrissa Gana Gueye    Senegal    June 2022                                            First team
18    Gylfi Sigurdsson    Iceland    June 2022                                                    First team
20    Davy Klaassen    Netherlands    June 2022                                           Squad
26    Tom Davies    England    June 2022                                                            First team
27    Nikola Vlasic    Croatia    June 2022                                                           Squad
54    Beni Baningime    DR Congo    June 2020                                             youth player with great prospects
 
Forwards    Nationality    Contract Expires    Status

7    Yannick Bolasie    DR Congo    June 2021                                            SELL SELL SELL
10    Wayne Rooney    England    June 2019                                                      Squad
11    Theo Walcott    England    June 2021                                                             first team
14    Cenk Tosun    Turkey    June 2022                                                             First team
19    Oumar Niasse    Senegal    June 2020                                                              squad player
   Shani Tarashaj    Switzerland    June 2020                                             sell
29    Dominic Calvert-Lewin    England    June 2023                                             squad player/prospect
 
U23 Players    Nationality    Contract Expires    Status
38    Matty Foulds    England    June 2020    
39    Conor Grant    England    June 2018    
40    Sam Byrne    Ireland    June 2018    
41    Mateusz Hewelt    Poland    June 2019    
42    Josh Bowler    England    June 2019    
44    Bassala Sambou    Germany & England    June 2019    
47    Calum Dyson    England    June 2018    
48    Morgan Feeney    England    June 2018    
51    Antony Evans    England    June 2020    
53    David Henen    Belgium    June 2018    
55    Nathan Broadhead    England    June 2018    
56    Chris Renshaw    England    June 2019    
57    Lewis Gibson    England    June 2020    
58    Nathangelo Markelo    England    June 2020    
59    Jose Baxter    England    June 2020    
61    Alex Denny              
62    Daniel Bramall              
63    Shane Lavery              
65    Joe Hilton              
66    Con Ozounidis              
67    Fraser Hornby    Scotland         
68    Stephen Duke-McKenna              
69    Michael Collins              
70    Anthony Gordon              
 
Players Out On Loan    Nationality    Contract Expires    Destination                                 
9    Sandro Ramirez    Spain    June 2021    Sevilla                                                   Sell
11    Kevin Mirallas    Belgium    June 2020    Olympiakos                                                   Sell
28    Kieran Dowell    England    June 2019    Nottingham Forest                                 Squad player/prospect
31    Ademola Lookman    England    June 2021    RB Leipzig                                        Squad player/prospect
32    Brendan Galloway    England    June 2019    Sunderland                                        sell?
35    Callum Connolly    England    June 2019    Ipswich Town                                    squad player/prospect
37    Harry Charsley    England    June 2019    Bolton Wanderers                             Squad player/prospect
45    Louis Gray    Wales    June 2018    Carlisle United                                            ????
46    Joe Williams    England    June 2020    Barnsley                                                    squad player/prospect
49    Antonee Robinson    England    June 2019    Bolton Wanderers                             maybe first team player/propesct
60    Boris Mathis    France    June 2019    Northampton Town                                     squad/prospect
     Matthew Pennington    England    June 2019    Leeds United                                sell
   Tyias Browning    England    June 2019    Sunderland                                           sell
   Henry Onyekuru    England    June 2022    Anderlecht                                          future prospect





we only have a few first team players really for next season

                                    Pickford
Coleman          Holgate/keane/Mori         ??????

Walcott       Davies/Gueye/siggy           ??????

                            Tosun ?????


cant believe how fucked our squad is...what are your views?

sorry for the crap layout.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on March 04, 2018, 06:57:37 PM
Yeah, I'd sell a few, loan a few, and buy a few.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 04, 2018, 07:10:22 PM
Burn them all, witches!!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 04, 2018, 07:16:34 PM
Hard to know what to do without a plan and vision in place.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 07:24:37 PM
I would say whether itís in the summer or more gradual, you need to move a lot on, leaving the team like this:
Pickford
Robles

Coleman  Keane*  Other  Other
Other      Holgate   FM      Baines
Kenny

Gana   Davies
McCarthy Other

Walcott         Sigurdsson    Lookman
Vlasic            Other            Henry

Tosun
Other
DCL

Thatís banking on keeping lookman, Henry & vlasic developing and tosun coming good.

*keane is absolute wank but I think heís better than heís showing.wouldnt be gutted if he went and we had two new cbs inside 12 months.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on March 04, 2018, 07:42:50 PM
I would say whether itís in the summer or more gradual, you need to move a lot on, leaving the team like this:
Pickford
Robles

Coleman  Keane*  Other  Other
Other      Holgate   FM      Baines
Kenny

Gana   Other
McCarthy Other

Walcott         Sigurdsson    Lookman
Vlasic            Other            Henry

Tosun
Other
DCL

Thatís banking on keeping lookman, Henry & vlasic developing and tosun coming good.

*keane is absolute wank but I think heís better than heís showing.wouldnt be gutted if he went and we had two new cbs inside 12 months.

Are you considering Tom Davies as Ďotherí, brap?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 07:49:25 PM
Are you considering Tom Davies as ‘other’, brap?

I’ve bloody deleted him, fixing now.

Edit: right fixed, yeah build the team around him imo.

Pickford, Coleman, Gana, Davies, Walcott, Sig are all guarantees for the next phase.

Likely Lookman, Tosun as well.

Outside of that, we need quality throughout the pitch and in depth.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on March 04, 2018, 07:52:48 PM
Pickford
-New-

Coleman  Holgate -New-  -New-
Kenny     Keane     Mori  Baines

Gana
-New-
Klaassen        Sigurdsson
Davies                -New-
Walcott                                    -New-
Vlasic                                 Lookman
Tosun
-New-
DCL

Loan out Baningime, Dowell and Robinson again next year.

Sell/Release the rest.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on March 04, 2018, 07:54:31 PM
And i've only got Davies as sub because of the amount of games he's already played at such a young age.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 04, 2018, 08:01:34 PM
Coleman, Pickford, maybe Walcott if he hasn't reverted to type like, Sig....the rest just plant drugs on um..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 08:03:51 PM
And i've only got Davies as sub because of the amount of games he's already played at such a young age.

Worry about our cmís in both our line ups pretty much what we have now which is nowhere near good enough. Truth is Davies will likely be sub/squad for a few years and we need a new, good cm ASAP
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on March 04, 2018, 08:15:35 PM
Pickford

Coleman Holgate Jags Baines

Walcott Gueye Davies Bolasie

Sigurddsson

Tosun

Would be my current 11 but Coleman, Jags and Baines all need to be squad players at best very soon.

I would like to think Klaassen, Calvert Lewin, Keane and Lookman will have big roles to play in the future but I wouldn't put money on it. We really need a centre back and creative midfielder desperately.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 04, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
Interesting that all have included Tosun but for me he looked nothing special again yesterday.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 08:26:59 PM
Interesting that all have included Tosun but for me he looked nothing special again yesterday.

Didnít see the game properly to be fair, Iíve more put him in under the assumption he comes good. Heís got more goodwill in the bank because he hasnít had as much time to utterly disgrace himself as some of he others.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 04, 2018, 08:28:49 PM
Quite agree he deserves time but 27 million it just has another EFC fuck up written all over it.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on March 04, 2018, 08:35:05 PM
Interesting that all have included Tosun but for me he looked nothing special again yesterday.

Looked good to me albeit nothing to write home about.

We've got to start giving these players time to bed in though.

Even Keane who I don't rate at all needs another season.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 04, 2018, 08:40:36 PM
Looked good to me albeit nothing to write home about.

We've got to start giving these players time to bed in though.

Even Keane who I don't rate at all needs another season.


I just don't see what he offers over and above your average forward. Not particularly pacy and not physical enough to impose himself on most centre halves. His finishing may be his strength but without any other attributes he will rely on the team creating for him. Best I think we can hope for is a reliable forward who will get 15 goals in a good season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 04, 2018, 08:55:49 PM
Quite agree he deserves time but 27 million it just has another EFC fuck up written all over it.


he is a goal scorer, a class finisher..the proof is in his goals v the some of the best teams in european competition

I just don't see what he offers over and above your average forward. Not particularly pacy and not physical enough to impose himself on most centre halves. His finishing may be his strength but without any other attributes he will rely on the team creating for him. Best I think we can hope for is a reliable forward who will get 15 goals in a good season.


he offers goals and clinical finishing, also has a sublime first touch.. he is not pacy nor is he that physically imposing as you rightly pointed out..
no point having up top on his own.. or 40 yards away from the rest of the attackers.. every striker isnt like lukaku.. i actually think DCL and Cenk would make a great 2 up top... just need 2 wingers, and attacking full backs.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on March 04, 2018, 08:59:43 PM
I just don't see what he offers over and above your average forward. Not particularly pacy and not physical enough to impose himself on most centre halves. His finishing may be his strength but without any other attributes he will rely on the team creating for him. Best I think we can hope for is a reliable forward who will get 15 goals in a good season.


Sounds about right for what we paid then.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 08:59:53 PM
Itís generally bad practice to take one season as Ďproofí of a goal scorer, even worse if you are only taking one competition from one season, or one season in a non top league.

Fact is we just donít know, and he has some goodwill in the bank, very hard to say outside of that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: toffee_scot on March 04, 2018, 09:03:59 PM
Goalkeepers:

Keeping Pickford is a no brainer. Robles is out of contract, he'd want more games which we can't guarantee so I'd release. Stekelenburg has one more year left, I actually think he's a decent keeper overall so I'd happily keep him.

Defenders:

Martina and Williams should not be at Everton, sell at the earliest opportunity. Mangala will likely return to Man City anyway. Jags has one more season as well as Baines so I'd keep them as a back up. Give Keane another season to sort himself out. The rest I'm happy to keep. We really need to invest in a good quality centre back and left back this summer.

Midfield:

Sell Schneiderlin at the earliest opportunity, he's turned into a bit of a parasite. If Besic does well at Boro then I'd contemplate giving him another chance at Everton. Sell Klaassen if we can, we've had 3 managers who showed little to no confidence in him. Develop Beningime further into a first team player and give Vlasic more playing time. We need to invest in a more creative midfielder or just someone who can make a good forward pass.

Forward:

I'm really not a fan at all of Bolasie so if we can sell him I'd be fine with it. Not sure what the situation is with Tarashaj, probably another loan or sell him. The rest of the players I would keep. If Lookman does well at Leipzig then he should feature more for Everton next season.

Other Players On Loan:

Sell Pennington and Mirallas, probably Browning and Galloway as well as they don't seem to be making much progress. Hopefully Dowell is ready for the Everton first team. The others could maybe do with another loan spell next season.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on March 04, 2018, 09:19:52 PM
I wouldnít care if we sold most of those players.

We have one of the most boring squads in the league and we paid a fuck ton for it. Embarrassing on so many levels.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: beyondblue on March 04, 2018, 09:20:43 PM
What we really "need" is half of a new team.

An issue that should now be all too obvious to football as a whole is that signing a large number of players at the same time does not work. The players can't all gel at once and few seem to have a long-term impact on the club.

It hasn't happened for us (why is another debate), it didn't work for Tottenham after selling Bale, it didn't work for QPR and it hasn't totally worked for AC either.

The club needs to get its off-pitch backroom signings in order before spending another £150m, throwing money at a problem which has been proven won't be fixed in this way. As much as it pains me to say, to keep any form of consistency and familiarity off the pitch going into next season, I think some of the deadwood should be kept on.

I'd love to see Robles, Martina, Williams, Garbutt, Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Besic, Niasse, Bolasie and all of the of the others taken to the scrap heap, but I don't think we can really afford to.

Next year we realistically need to focus on stabilising the team, getting some consistency back and aiming for 7-9th. £150m for a back-up goalie, left back, right back, centre back, centre mid, winger and couple of strikers all at once might isn't likely to achieve this.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 04, 2018, 09:48:13 PM
Form aside, I think our nucleus for next season is:

Pickford
Holgate
Coleman
Davies
Gueye
Lookman
Walcott
Sigurdson

Rooney occasionally but his legs are going. Not sure about Keane, Iíd like to see him alongside someone that isnít Williams.

The rest are too old now, too young, or too crap. Havenít made my mind up about Tosun yet, heís had some good moments but then been anonymous for large periods.

Weíre a bit spineless at the moment, both metaphorically and literally. We need a CB, CM playmaker dude, and a striker. Plus a left back.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on March 04, 2018, 09:56:29 PM
We'd have Messi playing long balls into the channels and looking ordinary, under the setup for the last few seasons.

I'm genuinely reluctant to judge a single one of them until we get a competent managerial team in with a clear, progressive direction.

Klaassen, for example, is clearly a very talented player and yet the few times we've seen him he looks like he's never seen a football in his life.

Get the manager right and a lot of these players will play much closer to their potential.

Oh I nearly forgot, Ashley Williams is defo garbage regardless of the manager.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 04, 2018, 10:07:13 PM
For the life of me, I don't get why we wouldn't put Holgate next to Keane and leave the pairing alone for the rest of the season, minimum.  See if it gels, especially with Baines back.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 04, 2018, 10:08:54 PM
I just don't see what he offers over and above your average forward. Not particularly pacy and not physical enough to impose himself on most centre halves. His finishing may be his strength but without any other attributes he will rely on the team creating for him. Best I think we can hope for is a reliable forward who will get 15 goals in a good season.


I'm not sure I've read that right but I think you've just rather disparagingly written him off as just 'a forward who might get you 15 goals a season.' For £27m that's a fuckin snip then in todays prices.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 04, 2018, 10:11:43 PM
I'm not sure I've read that right but I think you've just rather disparagingly written him off as just 'a forward who might get you 15 goals a season.' For £27m that's a fuckin snip then in todays prices.

and would certainly buy us some development time for our young forward players.  We've been in need of a "bridge solution" in the worst way.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
For the life of me, I don't get why we wouldn't put Holgate next to Keane and leave the pairing alone for the rest of the season, minimum.  See if it gels, especially with Baines back.

Because that pairing wouldn't work. I can see your logic but one is a lad without much experience who plays off the cuff and the other is a lad who looks scared of a football at the minute.

I'd be pairing Holgate with Jags until the end of the season, telling Keane to go away and sort his head out and make sure he's ready to come in pre season ready for a fresh challenge and to start his Everton career afresh. Knowing he won't have to see Ashley Williams ever again. 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 04, 2018, 10:20:26 PM
Because that pairing wouldn't work. I can see your logic but one is a lad without much experience who plays off the cuff and the other is a lad who looks scared of a football at the minute.

I'd be pairing Holgate with Jags until the end of the season, telling Keane to go away and sort his head out and make sure he's ready to come in pre season ready for a fresh challenge and to start his Everton career afresh. Knowing he won't have to see Ashley Williams ever again. 

If his head is really gone, that's fair enough.  I'd rather clear his head for maybe 2-3 weeks and give it a go.  Playing next to someone with Holgate's range could give Keane more confidence and allow him to play to his strengths.  And then if he still sucks, you know there is a permanent problem you have to fix, and/or have an open competition with Funes Mori for his spot next season.

I suspect we will have to use the bulk of our funds on LB and a creative passing midfielder this summer.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blueToffee on March 04, 2018, 10:30:06 PM
Is Funes Mori fit now? Or close to it? Heís got to be considered with Williams out. At least he has some recovery pace.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
Iíll be extremely disappointed if I see Ashley Williams, Schneiderlin or Martina at all next year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 04, 2018, 10:41:07 PM
Iíll be extremely disappointed if I see Ashley Williams, Schneiderlin or Martina at all next year.
is that all ?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 04, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
I'll be extremely disappointed if I see Ashley Williams, Schneiderlin or Martina at all next year.
I have no particular problem with him, but I'd honestly be gutted if Jagielka has to start at all next season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 04, 2018, 10:58:26 PM
I have no particular problem with him, but I'd honestly be gutted if Jagielka has to start at all next season.

He should be our 4th CB, and get a testimonial.  Holgate starts, alongside either Keane or Funes Mori.  Hopefully Baines is no more than splitting time, and gets his testimonial the following season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: cantoffee on March 04, 2018, 11:02:19 PM
Think with a lot of the new signings we need to be patient and see how they do next year.

I think we overhauled too much of the team and that almost always causes problems unless the players are of exceptional quality in comparison to the existing ones.

I do think that we clearly need a new CB and LB in addition to a high end CM and probably a striker.

We likely won't bring all of those in, but priority wise I would put CB and LB at the top. We can probably get by without a top CM if we get the balance right and maybe Tosun will come good.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 04, 2018, 11:14:32 PM
Think with a lot of the new signings we need to be patient and see how they do next year.

I think we overhauled too much of the team and that almost always causes problems unless the players are of exceptional quality in comparison to the existing ones.

I do think that we clearly need a new CB and LB in addition to a high end CM and probably a striker.

We likely won't bring all of those in, but priority wise I would put CB and LB at the top. We can probably get by without a top CM if we get the balance right and maybe Tosun will come good.

I'd prioritize:

1) LB
2) play-making MF
3) CB (think we can make do with what we have if have to)
4) forward (ok with what we have if Lookman comes back and we get Onyekuru's work permit sorted)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 04, 2018, 11:21:08 PM
This is more now than manager change and squad shuffling...our club is in deep deep shit..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on March 04, 2018, 11:22:52 PM
Iíll be extremely disappointed if I see Ashley Williams, Schneiderlin or Martina at all next year.

Can see them all sticking around unfortunately.

A bit harsh to stick Martina into that as unlike the other two, he's playing as professionally and well as he possibly can.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Heisenberg on March 04, 2018, 11:34:46 PM
Pickford, Coleman, Gana, Davies, Lookman, JJK, Holgate, Sigi, Walcott. Out of the whole club these are the only players good enough/have some heart. Everyone else can go as far as Im concerned
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 04, 2018, 11:40:46 PM
What we really "need" is half of a new team.

An issue that should now be all too obvious to football as a whole is that signing a large number of players at the same time does not work. The players can't all gel at once and few seem to have a long-term impact on the club.

It hasn't happened for us (why is another debate), it didn't work for Tottenham after selling Bale, it didn't work for QPR and it hasn't totally worked for AC either.

The club needs to get its off-pitch backroom signings in order before spending another £150m, throwing money at a problem which has been proven won't be fixed in this way. As much as it pains me to say, to keep any form of consistency and familiarity off the pitch going into next season, I think some of the deadwood should be kept on.

I'd love to see Robles, Martina, Williams, Garbutt, Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Besic, Niasse, Bolasie and all of the of the others taken to the scrap heap, but I don't think we can really afford to.

Next year we realistically need to focus on stabilising the team, getting some consistency back and aiming for 7-9th. £150m for a back-up goalie, left back, right back, centre back, centre mid, winger and couple of strikers all at once might isn't likely to achieve this.
Agree. Itís a rebuild job and will take a couple of seasons to get back in the position to make an assault on the top 6...and thatís dependent on the board making the right decisions. The new manager wonít be given time though so I predict the new chap will be sacked within 6 months of his appointment.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: toffee_scot on March 04, 2018, 11:44:11 PM
Personally, this summer I think we should try and avoid signing too many players for the first team as that can really upset any dynamic that's in the squad. I'd bring in no more than a maximum of four players particularly in central defence, left back, central midfield and a creative attacking player, however if we do have an injury crisis in a particular position then of course we should have to look at bringing in cover.

If we could somehow get rid of Robles, Martina, Williams, Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Klaassen, Pennington, Bolasie, plus maybe Sandro if he's not interested in staying at Everton and maybe a couple of the fringe players like Garbutt, Browning or Galloway, then that would really trim the squad and especially the wage bill which could go towards the new players. Of course it will be very difficult to sell all these players especially as many clubs will not want to pay anywhere near what we paid for many of our expensive transfers plus wages could be a huge issue.

Someone like Williams though, I'd happily accept a £12m loss and offer him more or less for free back to Swansea
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 04, 2018, 11:49:51 PM
Another squad rebuild isnít  ideal in this inflated market is it? How much would it cost to assemble Spurs squad in this market? Using them as an example as we were the last club to break into the Ďeliteí.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 11:53:10 PM
Can see them all sticking around unfortunately.

A bit harsh to stick Martina into that as unlike the other two, he's playing as professionally and well as he possibly can.

Yea agree, but it would be a sign weíve once again failed terribly.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2018, 12:11:17 AM
Can see them all sticking around unfortunately.

A bit harsh to stick Martina into that as unlike the other two, he's playing as professionally and well as he possibly can.

There shouldn't be any need for a 28 year old 3rd choice right back in any squad, however honest and hard working he is.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 05, 2018, 12:18:02 AM
Pickford

Coleman Holgate Jags Baines

Walcott Gueye Davies Bolasie

Sigurddsson

Tosun

Would be my current 11 but Coleman, Jags and Baines all need to be squad players at best very soon.

I would like to think Klaassen, Calvert Lewin, Keane and Lookman will have big roles to play in the future but I wouldn't put money on it. We really need a centre back and creative midfielder desperately.


Weíve been absolutely at sea all year and jags hasnít had a sniff.

Will leave the club or retire very soon I think.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Heisenberg on March 05, 2018, 12:49:39 AM
Another squad rebuild isnít  ideal in this inflated market is it? How much would it cost to assemble Spurs squad in this market? Using them as an example as we were the last club to break into the Ďeliteí.

I mean ideally we'd have a DoF who could get it done on the cheap. Unfortunately our one is a big fat fraud. 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on March 05, 2018, 01:37:46 AM
Weíve bought so poorly it will take 4 transfer windows to get reasonabley sorted
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2018, 01:46:54 AM
Weíve been absolutely at sea all year and jags hasnít had a sniff.

Will leave the club or retire very soon I think.

He's had injury issues this year I think but yeah I think you are right
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Tony Clifton on March 05, 2018, 05:42:03 AM
I don't think we have to worry too much about getting shut of the likes of Williams, Schneiderlin, Mirallas.

Klaassen and Sandro as good as gone.   Baines, Jags, Rooney legs going, going...

Lookman one foot out of the door.  DCL and Holgate possibly growing more restless by the minute, understandably.  Can't see Vlasic wanting to hang around much longer.  Gana and Pickford likely to be targeted, and unsettled. 

There's our likely and potential losses.  Some welcome/needed, most not so. 

Hope we've got some answers in youth.

Someone get Moshiri a new etch a sketch.

Couldn't wait for last summer, this one coming terrifies me.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Redartin on March 05, 2018, 05:54:07 AM
We could sell another load of shite to Sunderland and take them down another division.

Do not be shocked if Seamus is no longer with us next season. Remember where you heard it first.

OP left out Besic, although he may stay at Borough, especially if they come up.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 05, 2018, 03:34:01 PM
We could sell another load of shite to Sunderland and take them down another division.

Do not be shocked if Seamus is no longer with us next season. Remember where you heard it first.

OP left out Besic, although he may stay at Borough, especially if they come up.


No idea why i left out super Mo... wish he comes back.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2018, 03:42:12 PM
We could sell another load of shite to Sunderland and take them down another division.

Do not be shocked if Seamus is no longer with us next season. Remember where you heard it first.

OP left out Besic, although he may stay at Borough, especially if they come up.

What have you heard about Coleman?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on March 05, 2018, 04:09:42 PM
What have you heard about Coleman?
..................Seamus is in the first year of a 5 year contract ,signed while he was injured. Probably be captain next season . I'd be surprised if wants to go.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on March 05, 2018, 04:17:47 PM
Weíve bought so poorly it will take 14 transfer windows to get reasonabley sorted

fixed
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2018, 04:25:18 PM
..................Seamus is in the first year of a 5 year contract ,signed while he was injured. Probably be captain next season . I'd be surprised if wants to go.

Same here.

What an odd thing to want to claim itk for, though.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on March 05, 2018, 05:28:44 PM
God so much depends upon this new manager that we HAVE to get. Can't imagine any of the current squad like or want SA. If the new manager doesn't inspire then I can see a mass exodus. Which by the way i welcome for a number of players here.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jay on March 05, 2018, 06:39:03 PM
Id go after Sanches (and expect to get slated for saying so) and have Davis and Gana in mid with him.....covering a hell of a lot of ground with those three. Then get Lookman and Onyekuru (work permit permitting) on the wings and let them use their pace
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 05, 2018, 06:49:12 PM
Pickford

Coleman Holgate New New

Davies Sig Gueye

Lookman Walcott Onyekuru


Could work.... Maybe.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 05, 2018, 06:56:11 PM
We need a new CM Iím absolutely convinced, maybe more than one.

If that means Davies plays less or forces himself in in front of sigurdsson at 10/slightly deeper than 10 in a three Iíd be fine with it, but at the moment we are very, very poor on the ball in the middle of the pitch.

Centre halves need totally rejuvenating as well. We need legs and we need bollocks and we need ball playing ability. Canít rustle up two out of the three at any one time at the moment, beginning to suspect holgates time at the club is coming to an unceremonious end as well, just not sure why..

Keane FM surely the next combo to try, but at this point it feels like keane writes his own ticket out the club with each game.

Be ruthless in the summer, anyone who is to play 20+ games needs to be <28 and at least very good or >28 and superb.

Anyone we need to play that amount of games who doesnít fit that, bin off and replace.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 05, 2018, 07:11:24 PM
Train them to play winning football until they get the idea.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Everton Mint on March 06, 2018, 12:45:31 AM
I really dont think with any of the players ability is the problem.. they have all done well either previously or elsewhere.

It is a mentality issue and shows up away from home and vs the top teams.

If three manager's cant sort this out then its time for a mass clearout and start again.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 06, 2018, 01:04:08 AM
Pickford

Coleman Holgate New New

Davies Sig Gueye

Lookman Walcott Onyekuru


Could work.... Maybe.


#Hammerin'Hank in the XI?  We can be Imaginary Friends!  :D
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 06, 2018, 02:54:07 AM
if someone offered us 30 for sig in the summer Iíd bite their hands off btw
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Morta75 on March 06, 2018, 02:32:39 PM
Keane will come strong next season. I think we need to sell these, Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Bolasie, Williams, Ramirez, Mirallas, Niasse, Besic,
Buy new LB, CB central mid. with creativity and striker.
LB: Sessengon, Tierney, Philipp Max
CB: David Alaba, Tah, Andreas Christensen
Mid: Andre Gomez, Bryan Cristante, M.Dahoud
Striker: Anthony Martial, Timo Werner, Marcus Rashford

Most of these would not come to us unless we give them salary over the moon...
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on March 06, 2018, 02:55:41 PM
The only players I'd hate to see us lose in the summer are pickford, Coleman and walcott.
I'd also keep the youth just to see if they come good. But the rest I couldn't really care much about. Jags, rooney and Baines are past it. So many mediocre players in the squad.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on March 06, 2018, 03:05:54 PM
Weíve bought so poorly it will take 4 transfer windows to get reasonabley sorted

One well planned, intelligently conceived summer window under a manager and a DOF on the same page, and you could sort this squad right out.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on March 06, 2018, 03:12:57 PM
One well planned, idntelligently conceived summer window under a manager and a DOF on the same page, and you could sort this squad right out.

I agree with that but we would need that manager and DOF on board within the next few weeks, not mid July.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on March 06, 2018, 03:16:42 PM
I agree with that but we would need that manager and DOF on board within the next few weeks, not mid July.

Certainly in place by the end of May, at the latest. We'll see if any lessons have been learned from the Koeman/Walsh summer.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Grand Master C on March 06, 2018, 05:51:34 PM
Because that pairing wouldn't work. I can see your logic but one is a lad without much experience who plays off the cuff and the other is a lad who looks scared of a football at the minute.

I'd be pairing Holgate with Jags until the end of the season, telling Keane to go away and sort his head out and make sure he's ready to come in pre season ready for a fresh challenge and to start his Everton career afresh. Knowing he won't have to see Ashley Williams ever again. 

I agree at the moment, but I think Holgate and Keane for the future was the plan (God, I hope there was a plan !!) and in the long term should still be.

As much as I am not a fan of a back 3 I would like to see Keane, Jags, Holgate for the last few games. Let Jags coach them positioning, how to read the game and hopefully build their confidence in real game situations. We have to be looking at the future, as we can't afford another summer and start of the season like this.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dazfrancis on March 06, 2018, 06:37:15 PM
We looked our most solid when Holgate had a run of games but we haven't seen him since.

He can't do any worse than Ashley Williams even if he was alongside Titus Bramble.

I might sound a bit mad but maybe having a bit of pace in defence helped and someone who can play out the back allowed us to retain possession a bit better.

It's fucking mental, if you were to grade our central defenders average rating against the number of game played Holgate would be top with the exception of Jags.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 06:58:33 PM
if someone offered us 30 for sig in the summer Iíd bite their hands off btw


I feel he is pretty awesome. does the dirty work and has the skill to do what he does, we shouldnt play him on the left tho..we should use pace on the wings.. i feel he would be awesome in front of Davies and Gueye... 3 combative CM's, 1 with energy and pace, 1 who just tries t o win the ball back and one with the vision to to get us attacking.

Siggy has probably been my fave new signing this season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 06, 2018, 07:31:16 PM

I feel he is pretty awesome. does the dirty work and has the skill to do what he does, we shouldnt play him on the left tho..we should use pace on the wings.. i feel he would be awesome in front of Davies and Gueye... 3 combative CM's, 1 with energy and pace, 1 who just tries t o win the ball back and one with the vision to to get us attacking.

Siggy has probably been my fave new signing this season.

Me too probably, I didnít want him particularly, certainly not for that amount but meh, heís done OK in a bad situation. And I think if we just made him shoot as much as possible and got him in and around the area as much as possible we could make him a success (through pure G+A) but heís not a midfielder really and he doesnít play like one.

This model doesnít rate his passing (or anything else) this year, but I do think heís been OK. I just think for his age and that, if we did get offered 30+ then Iíd take it.



https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/969271850864992261?s=21
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on March 06, 2018, 07:54:05 PM
I like sig. He's someone we should be building the team around IMO.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The blue vein on March 06, 2018, 08:10:41 PM
I like sig. He's someone we should be building the team around IMO.
He must play in the #10 role nowhere else
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on March 06, 2018, 08:27:32 PM
Just look at Swansea. Couple of tweaks here and there, a likeable manager who inspires the players and makes football enjoyable - what a turnaround. Allardyce, being anti - football and not a very likeable man....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 09:32:53 PM
Me too probably, I didnít want him particularly, certainly not for that amount but meh, heís done OK in a bad situation. And I think if we just made him shoot as much as possible and got him in and around the area as much as possible we could make him a success (through pure G+A) but heís not a midfielder really and he doesnít play like one.

This model doesnít rate his passing (or anything else) this year, but I do think heís been OK. I just think for his age and that, if we did get offered 30+ then Iíd take it.



https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/969271850864992261?s=21


link dont work bro ;/

i wanted him initially, but when we bought Klaassen and Rooney i didnt want him anymore.. but im glad we did, as he has been much better than those 2..
i agree, get him to shoot as much as possible, thats why he would be better infront of the midfield 2, he should be allowed to roam where ever he wants, he probably does as much defensive work as Gueye, if not more, he has great positional sense where defending..
i think he plays like a midfielder, as wingers/attackers do not cover the ground or track back as much as Siggy.

I really dont want to get rid of him, so many other players have offered a lot less. siggy has been one of our best performers this season, imagine him in a confident attacking team..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on March 07, 2018, 01:15:39 AM
There's plenty I'd rather see shipped out the door before Sigurdsson, especially at a 2/3rds of what we paid for him.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 07, 2018, 01:19:45 AM
Sigurdsson has comfortably been our player of the year. He's done quite well a lot which is more than most. Unfortunately in a team crying out for real flair, pace and invention he's a playmaker who's built on doing the basics well and working hard. He'll always be judged on what he isn't. Absolutely the wrong signing for our squad. Though probably still our best player
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 07, 2018, 01:35:51 AM
Anyone know how to link to a tweet then? Itís @mixedknuts anyway and basically, Sig is doing below average in most things. Heís still been one of our best players like but yeah, the numbers donít make him look great.

Please donít misunderstand me that I donít like Sig - I absolutely do and he should play every game possible, like I say we can still make him a success by getting him in and around the box as much as possible.

But we donít play with a ten because we havenít got the midfield for it, and it would be better to have a good left forward/winger than him shunted out left, and if someone did offer us 30+ it would be good business to take it and put the money into someone we do need like a good midfielder.

If he stayed for the duration of his contract I would be very happy and would want him to play the majority of games, he is an elite striker of the ball from the edge of the box, and has very nice hair.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on March 07, 2018, 01:52:02 AM
Anyone know how to link to a tweet then? Itís @mixedknuts anyway and basically, Sig is doing below average in most things. Heís still been one of our best players like but yeah, the numbers donít make him look great.

Please donít misunderstand me that I donít like Sig - I absolutely do and he should play every game possible, like I say we can still make him a success by getting him in and around the box as much as possible.

But we donít play with a ten because we havenít got the midfield for it, and it would be better to have a good left forward/winger than him shunted out left, and if someone did offer us 30+ it would be good business to take it and put the money into someone we do need like a good midfielder.

If he stayed for the duration of his contract I would be very happy and would want him to play the majority of games, he is an elite striker of the ball from the edge of the box, and has very nice hair.


All true but I don't think we need the make the sacrifice of selling an asset to the team like Sigurddsson when we have Schneiderlin, Besic and several others taking up space first
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 07, 2018, 02:03:55 AM
All true but I don't think we need the make the sacrifice of selling an asset to the team like Sigurddsson when we have Schneiderlin, Besic and several others taking up space first

Yes agree.

In the other comment I stated that the next phase should be built around Pickford, Coleman, Keane*, Sig, Gana, Walcott, Tosun*
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on March 07, 2018, 02:55:09 AM
Yes agree.

In the other comment I stated that the next phase should be built around Pickford, Coleman, Keane*, Sig, Gana, Walcott, Tosun*

Yeah perfect world stuff but I think the roundabout point is that if we can get value for players then you need to sell while they are worth cash especially when they are high value.

I don't really see any one player in this team who I would class as totally irreplaceable. Maybe Coleman rght now
Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 07, 2018, 06:33:36 AM
I agree at the moment, but I think Holgate and Keane for the future was the plan (God, I hope there was a plan !!) and in the long term should still be.

As much as I am not a fan of a back 3 I would like to see Keane, Jags, Holgate for the last few games. Let Jags coach them positioning, how to read the game and hopefully build their confidence in real game situations. We have to be looking at the future, as we can't afford another summer and start of the season like this.

The only way a back 3 would work for us is if Baines and Coleman were fit to play fullback, and Ashley Williams evaporated.

Those who would sell Sigurdson are a bit mad, he's such a good player. He's got all the qualities to play at the tip of a midfield 3. For the goal against Burnley he won the ball, played a one-two, then played it out wide to Walcott. If anything I feel a bit sorry for him in this team.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on March 07, 2018, 12:44:04 PM
if someone offered us 30 for sig in the summer Iíd bite their hands off btw

I think that would be great business, not been impressed with him at all , does some good things but not consistent enough for me, actually think Osman was better than him

Swansea have had our pants down on this one
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on March 07, 2018, 03:05:14 PM
Hate to think where we would be without the 7 goals Gylfi had a hand in in the league ....not great stats granted but in a shite team even,  he offers more than most ...Still think the best is yet to come and he needs to be a no 10 not a fucking winger.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 07, 2018, 03:52:08 PM
Hate to think where we would be without the 7 goals Gylfi had a hand in in the league ....not great stats granted but in a shite team even,  he offers more than most ...Still think the best is yet to come and he needs to be a no 10 not a fucking winger.

Don't see point of judging any attacking player on just stats when we've been specifically trained/played percentage defensive football for most of the season with no coherent attacking shape or plan

Think was Sig was overpriced but would want to see him in a functioning team in the 10 position before discarding him....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Makis on March 07, 2018, 03:55:22 PM
Complete squad reshuffles are hard to do but that's what I would do in any case.

Robles's contract runs out and he's going anyways. Stekelenburg can share a cab.

Willams, Jagielka, Funes Mori, Keane, Baines and Martina can share a minibus. Baines is one of my all-time favourite players but he was past it last season. Mangala obviously won't be here next season.

I'm sure a lot of fans would drive Schneiderlin to the airport, so no need for a taxi there. McCarthy, Bolasie, Besic and Mirallas are not needed either. Rooney can be offered a coaching position or something so he plays max half-a-dozen games next season. Klaassen can leave, too.

Tosun should be given a few starts until end of season. Probably he can go back to Turkey. Niasse and Sandro leave too.

So I would only keep these first team players: Pickford, Walcott, Gueye, Sigurdsson, Coleman, Davies, Vlasic, Calvert-Lewin, Holgate, Kenny, Baningime, Lookman and a few of the youngsters near the first team (Connolly etc). But this is not going to happen, there's no way all of those players can be shipped out & new ones brought in in one summer. But there's something rotten at the club and the squad needs a reboot. Too many players seem happy just to pick their paycheck and has no desire or hunger.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 07, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
I don't think Sig is the No 10 we need so for that reason I'd like to see him slotted into a central midfield role. He works his nuts off, he's got a good brain, decent range of passing and the engine to get box to box for us as well as having an eye for goal when he gets there. 
I'd build the side around him, for no other reason than he's our most expensive signing, he's at peak age and he's going nowhere. We've got an abundance of players who all seem to do similar things so we need to make a call on who does what and stick with it and let the rest go, so we can focus on areas of the team that are lacking in genuine quality.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toddacelli on March 07, 2018, 06:03:38 PM
This Year:

                                         Pickford

            Coleman       Keane       Funes Mori      Mangala

                            Gana Gueye      Davies
         Walcott                                                Sigudsson

                                 Tosun          DCL

Rooney, Vlasic, Klaasen, Bolasie, Lookman & Niasse getting time from the bench

Bin-off 10 players (see below) and buy:

Centre-Mid, Left Back, 2x Centre-Backs, Striker

Leaving 5 spaces for emerging youth players: Baningime, JJK, Dowell, Hornby, Feeney (for example)

Next Year:
                                         Pickford

               Coleman       Keane       NEW       Baines

                                     Gana Gueye     
           
                                      Sigurdsson
              Walcott                                                Onyekuru
                                           NEW

Rooney, Vlasic, Klaasen, Lookman, Tosun, DCL, Davies getting time from the bench

                       
Joel Robles                                   BIN
Eliaquim Mangala                         BIN
Ashley Williams                            BIN
Luke Garbutt                               BIN
Cuco Martina                               BIN
Morgan Schneiderlin                    BIN
James McCarthy                          BIN
Yannick Bolasie                           BIN
Shani Tarashaj                           BIN
Oumar Niasse                            BIN
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 07, 2018, 06:57:31 PM
This Year:

                                         Pickford

            Coleman       Keane       Funes Mori      Mangala

                            Gana Gueye      Davies
         Walcott                                                Sigudsson

                                 Tosun          DCL

Rooney, Vlasic, Klaasen, Bolasie, Lookman & Niasse getting time from the bench

Bin-off 10 players (see below) and buy:

Centre-Mid, Left Back, 2x Centre-Backs, Striker

Leaving 5 spaces for emerging youth players: Baningime, JJK, Dowell, Hornby, Feeney (for example)

Next Year:
                                         Pickford

               Coleman       Keane       NEW       Baines

                                     Gana Gueye     
           
                                      Sigurdsson
              Walcott                                                Onyekuru
                                           NEW

Rooney, Vlasic, Klaasen, Lookman, Tosun, DCL, Davies getting time from the bench

                       
Joel Robles                                   BIN
Eliaquim Mangala                         BIN
Ashley Williams                            BIN
Luke Garbutt                               BIN
Cuco Martina                               BIN
Morgan Schneiderlin                    BIN
James McCarthy                          BIN
Yannick Bolasie                           BIN
Shani Tarashaj                           BIN
Oumar Niasse                            BIN


I pretty much agree with t his besides the binning of Niasse and McCarthy... they aint the best, but their solid i feel plus they seem to pretty much love Everton... for me players who love Everton need to stay, regardless of them not playing as their attitude and training would be infectious.

i wouldnt bring Henry as a first team starter either... He's been average in a rubbish league.. I would rather buy a winger/attacker for the left hand side.
I would also change the formation to 2 uptop, Tosun will be a gem for us, i have no doubt of that (like Jelavic) score planty of goals, aslong as he has someone with him, and he doesnt have to do the donkey work.. I'd like Mori at the back with Holgate... Hopefully Mori's time out has made him reflect and improve the aspects of his games that Evertonians berated him for (concentration and roaming up the pitch, even tho i liked his jaunts)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toddacelli on March 07, 2018, 09:01:22 PM

I pretty much agree with t his besides the binning of Niasse and McCarthy... they aint the best, but their solid i feel plus they seem to pretty much love Everton... for me players who love Everton need to stay, regardless of them not playing as their attitude and training would be infectious.

i wouldnt bring Henry as a first team starter either... He's been average in a rubbish league.. I would rather buy a winger/attacker for the left hand side.
I would also change the formation to 2 uptop, Tosun will be a gem for us, i have no doubt of that (like Jelavic) score planty of goals, aslong as he has someone with him, and he doesnt have to do the donkey work.. I'd like Mori at the back with Holgate... Hopefully Mori's time out has made him reflect and improve the aspects of his games that Evertonians berated him for (concentration and roaming up the pitch, even tho i liked his jaunts)

McCarthy is too injury prone and the amount of money we can get for him will dwindle with every season, but more than that is competition for places. I would place ahead of him:

1: New CM
2: Gana Gueye is already the better player in his position
3: Davies continual development as already looks a first team player but needs learning time
4: Baningime continual development as has not looked out of place for the seniors
5: Besic is easily good enough to replace McCarthy and he is better injury-wise

So for 6th option - McCarthy can go.

As for Niasse:

1: New CF we still need to replace Lukaku
2: Tosun - I'm sure there is a player there - he needs some time
3: DCL - continual development and decent as a back-up or different option
4: Rooney - should be used from the bench and deeper than CF but when required, he still scores
5: Walcott - has played CF and can play CF
6: Onyekuru - not sure if it's too soon to have a look at him in the PL, especially after the injury, but if he does come over next year then I would be more interested in bedding him in
7: Lookman - plays as a winger but likes to cut in and is effective in the middle and needs more game time

As 8th choice - I love the lad and I'll miss that smile - but I think it's time to let him go and be first choice for someone like Brighton.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on March 07, 2018, 10:37:16 PM
I don't think I've known a season where I've heard the phrase ''there's a player in there" as often. I don't know if it's more to do with buying badly or just managers not giving new players a chance?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on March 07, 2018, 10:41:33 PM
I don't think I've known a season where I've heard the phrase ''there's a player in there" as often. I don't know if it's more to do with buying badly or just managers not giving new players a chance?
Think it's a lot to do with most of the new signings not getting enough time to bed in or even play  ....we can't really say if they're shite or not.

So imho it's mostly a hopeful statement .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blueToffee on March 07, 2018, 11:17:16 PM
I think it's a hopeful statement too, just I'm not sure it's optimism flying in the face of reality. If you're buying players without a plan, or without a manager who is enthusiastic about bringing them in then how is it good for any of the parties involved. I suppose it's a bit like the Chelsea approach, but that doesn't really feel like a progressive way to run a club. If you're looking at who is getting it right at the moment in terms of recruitment, you'd probably say Man City and Liverpool. We could certainly take a leaf out of the latter's playbook in terms of the age of player we're signing.

It seems only a matter of when not if Allardyce leaves, and then where does it leave us again? Presumably at the behest of the next manager and their approach to the game as I don't see much sign of Walsh commanding a grand plan of our footballing approach. So who knows if any of these players would fit that new plan. Also, it puts us back at square one, or perhaps even worse trying to recover what we can on players who haven't improved in value as we're not playing well as a team.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: bogie on March 08, 2018, 04:55:09 AM
Pickford

Coleman Holgate Jags Baines

Walcott Gueye Davies Bolasie

Sigurddsson

Tosun

Would be my current 11 but Coleman, Jags and Baines all need to be squad players at best very soon.

I would like to think Klaassen, Calvert Lewin, Keane and Lookman will have big roles to play in the future but I wouldn't put money on it. We really need a centre back and creative midfielder desperately.


Bolasie really

what is he in you Everton team on football manager

he is a fucking joke biggest waste of £35m I have ever seen shit before his knee went and shit after
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jamokachi on March 08, 2018, 06:17:24 AM
Bolasie really

what is he in you Everton team on football manager

he is a fucking joke biggest waste of £35m I have ever seen shit before his knee went and shit after

Ah, welcome back knobhead.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on March 08, 2018, 02:15:22 PM
Bolasie really

what is he in you Everton team on football manager

he is a fucking joke biggest waste of £35m I have ever seen shit before his knee went and shit after

I'm not sure on him but he's a winger and I'm a big fan of playing people in their correct position
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on March 08, 2018, 02:48:10 PM
Bolasie really

what is he in you Everton team on football manager

he is a fucking joke biggest waste of £35m I have ever seen shit before his knee went and shit after

Bolasie cost £25 million, not 35!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 08, 2018, 03:20:56 PM
Bolasie cost £25 million, not 35!

Still makes the eyes water even at £10m less.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on March 08, 2018, 03:58:35 PM
Still makes the eyes water even at £10m less.
I dont know, I actually thought before his injury he was looking decent.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 08, 2018, 04:14:33 PM
I dont know, I actually thought before his injury he was looking decent.

I think when you step up a level you're judged on output. At teams like Palace you can be pretty ineffective statistically most weeks with the occasional good game against the top 6 to raise your profile and you'll stay in the team every week. I didn't really see any difference in his Palace form to ours really, although admittedly he was unlucky with his injury.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 08, 2018, 06:24:50 PM
I dont know, I actually thought before his injury he was looking decent.

that may have been the case, but since his return he has looked pants, if i was Lookman andseeing Yannick get in the squad and even getting 20 mins.. i'd want to get the fuck out too.

Lookman with no experience (in 1st team football) has created so much more than Yannick.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on March 09, 2018, 02:00:29 AM
We have so many players,some great youth coming through, some dead weights.. which do you think deserve to be here next season, or which do you think have long term futures with us.



Goalkeepers          Nationality        Contract Expires Status                                  what to do!

1 Jordan Pickford England      June 2022                                          First team starter                           
22 Maarten Stekelenburg Netherlands June 2019                              Sell
33 Joel Robles            Spain June 2018                                               Free   
 
Defenders Nationality Contract Expires Status

3 Leighton Baines England June 2019                                            Squad player
4 Michael Keane England June 2022                                                         squad player/first team
5 Ashley Williams Wales June 2019                                               Sell
6 Phil Jagielka England June 2019                                                       squad/backroom staff?                                       
13 Eliaquim Mangala France June 2018 On Loan Injured                    send him back
15 Cuco Martina Curacao June 2020                                                       free transfer/sell
23 Seamus Coleman Ireland June 2022                                               first team
25 Ramiro Funes Mori Argentina June 2020                                       Squad player/maybe first team
30 Mason Holgate England June 2022                                                First team/future prospect
36 Luke Garbutt England June 2020                                                        reserve player/sell if replacement found
43 Jonjoe Kenny England June 2022                                                        Squad/first team
 
Midfielders Nationality Contract Expires Status
 
2 Morgan Schneiderlin France June 2021                                       SELL SELL SELL
16 James McCarthy Ireland June 2020 Injured                                     Squad player
17 Idrissa Gana Gueye Senegal June 2022                                         First team
18 Gylfi Sigurdsson Iceland June 2022                                                 First team
20 Davy Klaassen Netherlands June 2022                                        Squad
26 Tom Davies England June 2022                                                         First team
27 Nikola Vlasic Croatia June 2022                                                        Squad
54 Beni Baningime DR Congo June 2020                                          youth player with great prospects
 
Forwards Nationality Contract Expires Status

7 Yannick Bolasie DR Congo June 2021                                         SELL SELL SELL
10 Wayne Rooney England June 2019                                                   Squad
11 Theo Walcott England June 2021                                                          first team
14 Cenk Tosun Turkey June 2022                                                          First team
19 Oumar Niasse Senegal June 2020                                                           squad player
Shani Tarashaj Switzerland June 2020                                          sell
29 Dominic Calvert-Lewin England June 2023                                          squad player/prospect
 
U23 Players Nationality Contract Expires Status
38 Matty Foulds England June 2020 
39 Conor Grant England June 2018 
40 Sam Byrne Ireland June 2018 
41 Mateusz Hewelt Poland June 2019 
42 Josh Bowler England June 2019 
44 Bassala Sambou Germany & England June 2019 
47 Calum Dyson England June 2018 
48 Morgan Feeney England June 2018 
51 Antony Evans England June 2020 
53 David Henen Belgium June 2018
55 Nathan Broadhead England June 2018 
56 Chris Renshaw England June 2019 
57 Lewis Gibson England June 2020 
58 Nathangelo Markelo England June 2020 
59 Jose Baxter England June 2020
61 Alex Denny     
62 Daniel Bramall     
63 Shane Lavery     
65 Joe Hilton     
66 Con Ozounidis     
67 Fraser Hornby Scotland   
68 Stephen Duke-McKenna     
69 Michael Collins     
70 Anthony Gordon     
 
Players Out On Loan Nationality Contract Expires Destination                                 
9 Sandro Ramirez Spain June 2021 Sevilla                                                   Sell
11 Kevin Mirallas Belgium June 2020 Olympiakos                                                   Sell
28 Kieran Dowell England June 2019 Nottingham Forest                                 Squad player/prospect
31 Ademola Lookman England June 2021 RB Leipzig                                        Squad player/prospect
32 Brendan Galloway England June 2019 Sunderland                                        sell?
35 Callum Connolly England June 2019 Ipswich Town                                    squad player/prospect
37 Harry Charsley England June 2019 Bolton Wanderers                             Squad player/prospect
45 Louis Gray Wales June 2018 Carlisle United                                            ????
46 Joe Williams England June 2020 Barnsley                                                    squad player/prospect
49 Antonee Robinson England June 2019 Bolton Wanderers                             maybe first team player/propesct
60 Boris Mathis France June 2019 Northampton Town                                     squad/prospect
  Matthew Pennington England June 2019 Leeds United                                sell
Tyias Browning England June 2019 Sunderland                                           sell
Henry Onyekuru England June 2022 Anderlecht                                          future prospect





we only have a few first team players really for next season

                                    Pickford
Coleman          Holgate/keane/Mori         ??????

Walcott       Davies/Gueye/siggy           ??????

                            Tosun ?????


cant believe how fucked our squad is...what are your views?

sorry for the crap layout.
Sell Williams ? The only director of football who would touch him would be Steve Walsh
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on March 09, 2018, 02:16:44 AM
Sell Williams ? The only director of football who would touch him would be Steve Walsh
Perhaps we could stuff him in Walsh's briefcase on the amazing Dof's (shite scouts) last day at FF.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 14, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
Allardyce wants to bring in Wilshere and Jones to give the team a spine according to the BBC.

I must stop reading the news!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on March 14, 2018, 08:30:27 PM
Allardyce wants to bring in Wilshere and Jones to give the team a spine according to the BBC.

I must stop reading the news!
He probably means Vinny Jones n all
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Hawkandro on April 09, 2018, 04:46:43 PM
Linked with Aaron Cresswell today, for £25m.

Luckily it is in The Sun, so no chance of that happening.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 05:09:51 AM
Big changes needed, obviously. Some players have never been good enough, some too injury prone and some past their best.

Would get rid of Williams, Jagielka, Browning, Galloway, Baines, Garbutt, Martina, McCarthy, Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Besic, Bolasie and Mirallas.

Time for a fresh start under a new manager.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 11, 2018, 06:28:15 AM
It would be a massive mistake to get rid of Baines.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 07:13:02 AM
It would be a massive mistake to get rid of Baines.

How? One of the best left backs in the league for a fair few seasons in his prime but think people are letting their love for him get in the way of facts. Heís been declining for 2-3 years and is nowhere near a top six left back anymore. He doesnít get into any top six side so why should he get in ours when weíre trying to get there?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on April 11, 2018, 08:23:40 AM
At this point, we should probably just keep Jagielka and Baines around as cover until they become liabilities. Both are dependable (and dependable back-ups are hard to find) and neither will fetch much in terms of a fee. That, plus I see them both as part of the fabric of the club* as this point.

With that said, if either player is starting regularly next season you'll know we fucked up... again.

* Say what you will about them not winning anything but they played for some genuinely good Everton sides and winning stuff is hard in the super club era.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 03:12:36 PM
Fabric of the club, part of the furniture attitude will get us nowhere unfortunately. They did play for some good Everton sides and they're not the reason we didn't win things during that time but the best clubs move players on when it's time. There's an argument for Baines staying as backup but would be disappointed to see Jagielka stay if we're looking to progress.
 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on April 11, 2018, 03:12:47 PM
Think we've already seen what not having a backup left back does when injury strikes. I'm all for Baines staying but ideally as the backup option.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on April 11, 2018, 03:14:20 PM
But I'll be honest, the Only player I'd be gutted to lose in the summer is pickford.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 11, 2018, 03:32:59 PM
It would be a massive mistake to get rid of Baines.

Also pointless, wonít get any money for Baines or jags. Much better for the culture at the club to keep them.

Plus ones still the best CB at the club, and the other is the best lb weíve ever had and is probably still top 10 in the prem.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on April 11, 2018, 03:52:01 PM
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Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 04:11:18 PM
Also pointless, wonít get any money for Baines or jags. Much better for the culture at the club to keep them.

Plus ones still the best CB at the club, and the other is the best lb weíve ever had and is probably still top 10 in the prem.

What culture? The one that gives up when the going gets tough or the no trophies in 23 years and counting culture?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 11, 2018, 04:21:10 PM
What culture? The one that gives up when the going gets tough or the no trophies in 23 years and counting culture?

Little from column A, little from column B.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 11, 2018, 04:36:55 PM
Jags is still the best CB at the club, I donít see any benefit in getting rid.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 11, 2018, 04:38:46 PM
Jags is still the best CB at the club, I donít see any benefit in getting rid.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 04:50:30 PM
Think that says far more about the current lack of quality centre backs at the club than Jagielka's current ability. The players and a decent percentage of the fans are happy finishing mid-table as long as there's a good culture in the dressing room.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 05:11:18 PM
If we still have any of the current centre backs at the club starting the first game of next season it'll be another reason to boot Walsh back down the east lancs. None of them are good enough and I'll include Holgate in that, although he does have time on his side to get there eventually.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on April 11, 2018, 05:18:02 PM
Think that says far more about the current lack of quality centre backs at the club than Jagielka's current ability. The players and a decent percentage of the fans are happy finishing mid-table as long as there's a good culture in the dressing room.

So the answer is to get rid of Williams maybe Mori not the best centre back we have then yes? If Jags then becomes our third or fourth choice centre back then he's more likely to put up with that and be dependable when called upon than our other defenders. Same goes for Baines.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 05:26:28 PM
So the answer is to get rid of Williams maybe Mori not the best centre back we have then yes? If Jags then becomes our third or fourth choice centre back then he's more likely to put up with that and be dependable when called upon than our other defenders. Same goes for Baines.

Would rather see us bring in 2 new CBs and keep Holgate and Keane as the two other options myself but I take your point.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
Would rather see us bring in 2 new CBs and keep Holgate and Keane as the two other options myself but I take your point.


I'm more in line with this however if we could get rid of Keane I would do. Never been as underwhelmed by a player in recent years given his reputation before arriving and the big price tag. Richard Dunne was a big lad and a plodder but he had a decent bit of pace once he got going, Keane looks like he's running in sand. 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: boothill on April 11, 2018, 06:04:40 PM
I'm more in line with this however if we could get rid of Keane I would do. Never been as underwhelmed by a player in recent years given his reputation before arriving and the big price tag. Richard Dunne was a big lad and a plodder but he had a decent bit of pace once he got going, Keane looks like he's running in sand.
honey monster was great, and despite several warnings couldnt lay off the ale , and was becoming a bad influence on michael ball, so off he was sent
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 06:07:33 PM
honey monster was great, and despite several warnings couldnt lay off the ale , and was becoming a bad influence on michael ball, so off he was sent

Ended up having a decent career though, got better with age.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on April 11, 2018, 06:12:03 PM
Wipe them out....all of them
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 11, 2018, 06:28:26 PM
Itís probably a 3 or 4 window job fixing this and thatís assuming we get the vast majority of it right which seems unlikely that weíve got almost everything wrong.

New left back, new cover at left back, new centre halves, a genuine play maker, a pacy striker, decent wingers

Itís more a question of what we donít need.

Pickford Coleman gueye sigurdsson Walcott and tosan. Weíve a 5 a side team and a sub with literally no star quality

We are at the stage where we need to prey that some of the young players come on leaps and bounds and fill some of the many gaps
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on April 11, 2018, 06:46:43 PM
Itís probably a 3 or 4 window job fixing this and thatís assuming we get the vast majority of it right which seems unlikely that weíve got almost everything wrong.

New left back, new cover at left back, new centre halves, a genuine play maker, a pacy striker, decent wingers

Itís more a question of what we donít need.

Pickford Coleman gueye sigurdsson Walcott and tosan. Weíve a 5 a side team and a sub with literally no star quality

We are at the stage where we need to prey that some of the young players come on leaps and bounds and fill some of the many gaps

I think Baines becomes the cover at left back if we bring in a decent one. I agree on the rest though.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 06:48:21 PM
Fully agree with the above. We have got some good young players too though, even if the current manager refuses to use them. Lookman and Vlasic are both promising talents who could develop into great players. The news CBs, the LB and the playmaker are absolute musts in the summer and they all need to be starting 11 players.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 06:53:22 PM
Itís probably a 3 or 4 window job fixing this and thatís assuming we get the vast majority of it right which seems unlikely that weíve got almost everything wrong.

New left back, new cover at left back, new centre halves, a genuine play maker, a pacy striker, decent wingers

Itís more a question of what we donít need.

Pickford Coleman gueye sigurdsson Walcott and tosan. Weíve a 5 a side team and a sub with literally no star quality

We are at the stage where we need to prey that some of the young players come on leaps and bounds and fill some of the many gaps

Aye. We need to hope Beningime gets in the gym and becomes a beast or one or two of the others flourish otherwise as you say it could be some time before we have a proper squad again. It's gonna need some creative trading this summer to remodel the squad to be fit for purpose, we have very few who are in or approaching the prime of their career.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on April 11, 2018, 07:00:34 PM
Wonder whatíll happen with Mangala?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on April 11, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
The biggest issue I have with this squad this season is not having any manager who has brought out anything from these players. Klaasen is the biggest example. There's clearly a player there. Under the right manager, formation, tactics etc. He might be brilliant.
It's so hard to judge who's crap or not. Look how Walcott is falling back with each game under fat sams reign
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on April 11, 2018, 07:12:34 PM
Itís probably a 3 or 4 window job fixing this and thatís assuming we get the vast majority of it right which seems unlikely that weíve got almost everything wrong.

New left back, new cover at left back, new centre halves, a genuine play maker, a pacy striker, decent wingers

Itís more a question of what we donít need.

Pickford Coleman gueye sigurdsson Walcott and tosan. Weíve a 5 a side team and a sub with literally no star quality

We are at the stage where we need to prey that some of the young players come on leaps and bounds and fill some of the many gaps

Not sure I agree. I think the squad is better than you suggest.

Pickford, Coleman and Baines are all secure. I personally would stick with Keane, get him the right partner and just play him week after week to build a proper understanding. I think he's had a rough year, but is a good player and think we will see that in time. Kenny and Holgate are good prospects to develop.

Gana and Tom Davies are secure in the middle, and it would be awesome if we could put a proper playmaker in there next to them. Baningame and Klassen could provide good depth, and I still think we should persist with Klaasen under a proper manager.

In the attacking midfield positions, Gylfi and Walcott are quality, and then we have the chance to develop Vlasic and Lookman (again, hopefully under a better manager who understands their value and potential).

And then Tosun and DCL are good forward options, and we need another genuine first team quality striker to add to that.

I think there's absolutely loads to work with there. And if you signed the right 3/4 players in the obvious positions we need, you'd have a pretty strong squad to build with that could certainly push Arsenal for 6th.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 07:15:24 PM
Wonder whatíll happen with Mangala?

He'll probably get put out to pasture again
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on April 11, 2018, 07:16:27 PM
Not sure I agree. I think the squad is better than you suggest.

Pickford, Coleman and Baines are all secure. I personally would stick with Keane, get him the right partner and just play him week after week to build a proper understanding. I think he's had a rough year, but is a good player and think we will see that in time. Kenny and Holgate are good prospects to develop.

Gana and Tom Davies are secure in the middle, and it would be awesome if we could put a proper playmaker in there next to them. Baningame and Klassen could provide good depth, and I still think we should persist with Klaasen under a proper manager.

In the attacking midfield positions, Gylfi and Walcott are quality, and then we have the chance to develop Vlasic and Lookman (again, hopefully under a better manager who understands their value and potential).

And then Tosun and DCL are good forward options, and we need another genuine first team quality striker to add to that.

I think there's absolutely loads to work with there. And if you signed the right 3/4 players in the obvious positions we need, you'd have a pretty strong squad to build with that could certainly push Arsenal for 6th.
Agree with every word of that !
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on April 11, 2018, 07:20:53 PM
The squad really isnt as bad as people are making out, it just isn't being used correctly.

To get back in the top 7 next year we wouldnt even need to sign anyone.

To challenge for 6th, a centre half, left back and a quality centre mid should see us mount a challenge to Arsenal.

To try and break into the top 4 will obviously take time, but it's easily achievable with our budget, the right manager and the right recruitment
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on April 11, 2018, 07:26:33 PM
He'll probably get put out to pasture again

Which may mean we take him again this time for a full season Iíd have thought given our need for a centreback.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 07:26:57 PM
Not sure I agree. I think the squad is better than you suggest.

Pickford, Coleman and Baines are all secure. I personally would stick with Keane, get him the right partner and just play him week after week to build a proper understanding. I think he's had a rough year, but is a good player and think we will see that in time. Kenny and Holgate are good prospects to develop.

Gana and Tom Davies are secure in the middle, and it would be awesome if we could put a proper playmaker in there next to them. Baningame and Klassen could provide good depth, and I still think we should persist with Klaasen under a proper manager.

In the attacking midfield positions, Gylfi and Walcott are quality, and then we have the chance to develop Vlasic and Lookman (again, hopefully under a better manager who understands their value and potential).

And then Tosun and DCL are good forward options, and we need another genuine first team quality striker to add to that.

I think there's absolutely loads to work with there. And if you signed the right 3/4 players in the obvious positions we need, you'd have a pretty strong squad to build with that could certainly push Arsenal for 6th.



Some good points but I'm not sure when you pick the bones out of it what's left has enough quality in there. There's enough competent players who we can get an extra 30% out of under a different manager but even so we're relying on young players to kick on and it's not going to scare many teams.

The issue is we need 3 or 4 proper quality players to come into the first team and that costs a lot of money in todays market. I don't know whether Moshiri has another £100m+ to spend, bearing in mind the relatively low resale value of many of the ones we'd be looking to move on.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on April 14, 2018, 11:51:32 PM
I think you can make this squad watchable and pretty effective with the right coaching and the right additions. We have the foundation in place for a comfortable 7th place finish and some decent runs in the domestic cups.

Saying that, I don't even think the likes of Gana and Sigurdsson are good enough for what we really want, which is to be in the mix with the top 6 and in Europe every year. Only Coleman and Walcott are anywhere near that level right now and both of them are going to be in decline by the time the rest of the squad develops (Pickford, Davies, some others) or is rebuilt (a lot of the old, expensive trash we've bought post-Martinez).

Moyes, Martinez, Koeman/Walsh, and now Allardyce/Walsh have all played their part in letting the average age of the squad get out of control and, mostly due to the work of Martinez and Koeman/Walsh*, the quality has eroded as well.

We're in desperate need of someone who can identify cheap(ish) quality and players with genuine potential. Spending big on the best players from the bottom of the table and taking seemingly random punts on players from abroad is getting us nowhere.

* How did these two do so much worse than Martinez with so much money to spend?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on April 15, 2018, 01:46:10 AM
Couldn't disagree more with you in regards to Gana and Sigurdsson @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

If a player like Kante can be a major contributor to two titles then there's no reason to believe that Gana isn't good enough for top 6. I know you have issues with him in an attacking sense and they're valid but a top 6 standard manager wouldn't place that sort of expectation or responsibility on him. Like we see with the role Kante plays at Chelsea.

Sigurdsson has gotten better and better this season and considering he didn't play a pre-season with us then that bodes well for next season. We didn't see it much this season because of how awful we are against the top 6 but he regularly made the difference in those sort of matches at Swansea by coming up with goals in the biggest occasions and we need a player to do that if we are to close the gap. The fact he's a technically talented player as well as a supremely hard-working one makes him a vital asset to a top 6 charge in my opinion.

I also don't see what Walcott has done overall. Fortunately he's managed to keep himself fit so far which was a concern but he's as invisible as Mirallas much of the time.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on April 15, 2018, 03:30:59 AM
Couldn't disagree more with you in regards to Gana and Sigurdsson @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

If a player like Kante can be a major contributor to two titles then there's no reason to believe that Gana isn't good enough for top 6. I know you have issues with him in an attacking sense and they're valid but a top 6 standard manager wouldn't place that sort of expectation or responsibility on him. Like we see with the role Kante plays at Chelsea.

Sigurdsson has gotten better and better this season and considering he didn't play a pre-season with us then that bodes well for next season. We didn't see it much this season because of how awful we are against the top 6 but he regularly made the difference in those sort of matches at Swansea by coming up with goals in the biggest occasions and we need a player to do that if we are to close the gap. The fact he's a technically talented player as well as a supremely hard-working one makes him a vital asset to a top 6 charge in my opinion.

I also don't see what Walcott has done overall. Fortunately he's managed to keep himself fit so far which was a concern but he's as invisible as Mirallas much of the time.


Yeah, I expect a lot of people will disagree with me. To me, the fact that theyíre two of the best players weíve bought these past two seasons is symptomatic of everything weíre doing wrong recruitment-wise.

My thoughts on Gana are pretty well known. I think his ball-winning is somewhat empty in the sense that he doesnít help us transition quickly into attack the way Kante does and that he isnít helpful at all when the opposition gets men behind the ball. I think heíd be a good midfield rotation option to use against superior opposition but to me, heís only a regular starter with a good, penetrative passer to partner him (and I donít think we know how or where to find that player).

Gylfi is a little less obvious. He works hard off the ball, has obvious technical ability, and is pretty clinical when it comes to the finish or final pass. My issue is that he doesnít get involved enough in possession over 90 minutes and that heís content to float around the periphery of the match unless a chance pops up around the box. Heís a useful player when weíre not seeing much of the ball, less so when we need to control matches against inferior opposition (which should be 13/20 teams in the league).

This is part of what happens when you sign older players from the bottom of the table. The skills needed to thrive down there are, in a lot of ways, different from what we need to get where we want to go.

I should say ó I think theyíre both pretty good players and theyíre effective in the right situation. I just think itís all wrong that theyíre two of our most important players (and that we spent such a ridiculous amount on Gylfi).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on April 15, 2018, 03:43:54 PM
It's glaringly obvious the squad needs a major overhaul despite recent investment with money having been spent very badly.....

Imo we need 2 centre halfs, a left back, two midfielders, a winger and a forward.... I make that 7.

Keane is neither clever or mobile enough and needs replacing along with the aging williams/jags who have a combined age of 250. Despite this jags easily still our best defender.

Klassen, Morgan, Rooney are no where near the answer in the engine room for differing reasons.

Bolasie is just terrible....was at the derby and he literally made my eyes bleed with one of the worst performances I've seen live in many a year.

Up front I like tosans endeavour and drive but dont think he's got the quality to lift us to challenge the top teams as is not mobile enough. Despite this he has fook all to with so it's probably a bit unfair to totally write him off.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Polledreng on April 15, 2018, 03:55:03 PM
You can't blame Sigurdsson for the fee we paid - that's just ridiculous @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) And have to say Shogun is spot on. Sigurdsson has shown so mutch more than Walcott. Have only noticed him in his first 2 games..
Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: arteta4spain on April 15, 2018, 03:57:17 PM
I think the problem is, is that we're in sort of limbo in the sense that we're not a shit side and worried about constant relegation nor are we pushing the top six and we don't really have the recent record of hitting the top six or seven and players that we need might not be interested. It's a shit situation and it's a recurring theme. We do well (Martinez and Koemans first season) and then it goes to shit.
We can't sustain anything anymore the last time was under Moyes and the league was easier then.
If we'd found Moshiri then I think we'd be up there hopefully with Spurs and the shite, but now it's too congested and too many teams fighting for the same places. The perception of the leagues changed maybe ours need to. And in regards to that, the players we need might not come for a few more seasons yet. If you were a top drawer player or even a decent player and you were looking at us would you really wanna come here? 3 managers in a season. Inconsistency in the league, not been in Europe constantly, a failed and embarrassing europa league campaign. I just donít think right now weíre an attractive option right now.
You can spin the stadium talk all you want the majority of players will be coming here now prob wonít be here when the walk out onto Bramley Moore.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on April 15, 2018, 04:01:36 PM
We definately overpaid for gylf but I reckon with more quality around him affording more time on the ball he'd be a baller.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 12:11:15 AM
Lookman just scored a really excellent equalizer for Leipzig.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on April 16, 2018, 12:15:57 AM
Lookman just scored a really excellent equalizer for Leipzig.

He should take Bolasieís place next season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 12:19:53 AM
Announcers noting "not everything he does is right" but he brings a "dose of positivity" to the side and gives them the spark they lacked in the first half.

Gee, does that sound like it would be useful to anyone else?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on April 16, 2018, 12:26:46 AM
Announcers noting "not everything he does is right" but he brings a "dose of positivity" to the side and gives them the spark they lacked in the first half.

Gee, does that sound like it would be useful to anyone else?

Iím watching this now and see he offers a lot more defensively, or perhaps could be moulded to do so a lot more easily than Bolasie can. Gonna do him the world of good training with players like Werner and Keita, even if he doesnít start every week.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 16, 2018, 02:16:45 PM
Couldn't disagree more with you in regards to Gana and Sigurdsson @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

If a player like Kante can be a major contributor to two titles then there's no reason to believe that Gana isn't good enough for top 6. I know you have issues with him in an attacking sense and they're valid but a top 6 standard manager wouldn't place that sort of expectation or responsibility on him. Like we see with the role Kante plays at Chelsea.

Sigurdsson has gotten better and better this season and considering he didn't play a pre-season with us then that bodes well for next season. We didn't see it much this season because of how awful we are against the top 6 but he regularly made the difference in those sort of matches at Swansea by coming up with goals in the biggest occasions and we need a player to do that if we are to close the gap. The fact he's a technically talented player as well as a supremely hard-working one makes him a vital asset to a top 6 charge in my opinion.

I also don't see what Walcott has done overall. Fortunately he's managed to keep himself fit so far which was a concern but he's as invisible as Mirallas much of the time.

Terrible take.

Iím a massive Gana fan, and I do think he could play in the top 6 actually, but Kante is twice the player frankly.

Sigurdsson is an individual talent with mercurial ball striking. Thatís fine if you have other good attributes e.g great vision, powerful/explosive running or good 1v1 ability, but he doesnít. Heís also the wrong side of 25 so I likely to ever show anything he hasnít showed so far.

A good tool (and a good player, again, I like him) but for top sides that number 10 or wide forward role is too important to waste on a Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 17, 2018, 03:43:37 AM
Hey, at least we didn't sign Joe Fucking Hart.  Remember the calls for that?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 17, 2018, 04:16:06 AM
Hey, at least we didn't sign Joe Fucking Hart.  Remember the calls for that?

At 40m too!! He's genuinely not worth 40k today. They'd give him away to get him off their books
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Grand Master C on April 17, 2018, 01:35:22 PM
Not sure I agree. I think the squad is better than you suggest.

Pickford, Coleman and Baines are all secure. I personally would stick with Keane, get him the right partner and just play him week after week to build a proper understanding. I think he's had a rough year, but is a good player and think we will see that in time. Kenny and Holgate are good prospects to develop.

Gana and Tom Davies are secure in the middle, and it would be awesome if we could put a proper playmaker in there next to them. Baningame and Klassen could provide good depth, and I still think we should persist with Klaasen under a proper manager.

In the attacking midfield positions, Gylfi and Walcott are quality, and then we have the chance to develop Vlasic and Lookman (again, hopefully under a better manager who understands their value and potential).

And then Tosun and DCL are good forward options, and we need another genuine first team quality striker to add to that.

I think there's absolutely loads to work with there. And if you signed the right 3/4 players in the obvious positions we need, you'd have a pretty strong squad to build with that could certainly push Arsenal for 6th.

I am not sure if this post makes me more optimistic for the future or depressed for the balls up that has been this season  ??? ???
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on April 17, 2018, 10:39:33 PM
Not sure I agree. I think the squad is better than you suggest.

Pickford, Coleman and Baines are all secure. I personally would stick with Keane, get him the right partner and just play him week after week to build a proper understanding. I think he's had a rough year, but is a good player and think we will see that in time. Kenny and Holgate are good prospects to develop.

Gana and Tom Davies are secure in the middle, and it would be awesome if we could put a proper playmaker in there next to them. Baningame and Klassen could provide good depth, and I still think we should persist with Klaasen under a proper manager.

In the attacking midfield positions, Gylfi and Walcott are quality, and then we have the chance to develop Vlasic and Lookman (again, hopefully under a better manager who understands their value and potential).

And then Tosun and DCL are good forward options, and we need another genuine first team quality striker to add to that.

I think there's absolutely loads to work with there. And if you signed the right 3/4 players in the obvious positions we need, you'd have a pretty strong squad to build with that could certainly push Arsenal for 6th.


Think I agree with most of that, we do need a young, hungry manager, whose going to build something over the next few years, let players express themselves, I am actually expecting us back in the Top 7 next season, that says more about the rest of the league than us though.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: bogie on April 18, 2018, 05:30:03 AM
get shot of all players over 32 years old and any player without pace
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D_murph0278 on April 18, 2018, 11:30:56 PM
Easier said than done but the following need to be shown the door......
 
Stekelenburg, Martina, Williams, Scheiderlin, Rooney imo, Mirallas, maybe Bolasie, maybe even Klassen.....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on April 18, 2018, 11:41:58 PM
Easier said than done but the following need to be shown the door......
 
Stekelenburg, Martina, Williams, Scheiderlin, Rooney imo, Mirallas, maybe Bolasie, maybe even Klassen.....

Exactly these players(aside Klassen not given enough time to tell) all nowhere near the level we need to strive to be at ,although Besic, McCarthy, Browning all could go too.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 19, 2018, 07:23:47 AM
Perfect world for me would be :

Pickford
Other

Coleman Keane* Other Baines
Other     Jags      Other  Other

Gana Other Other
Davies Other Other

Walcott   Tosun*   Gylfi
Other      Other     Other

* maybes, like 60/40 sure they will be first teamers.

Some of the above it would be great to get a few younger, better upgrades e.g Baines, Gylfi, Tosun perhaps, but it feels a bit daft to suggest that when we have basically a black hole weíre a top 6 midfield should be and no proven game changer in the squad.

Hopefully some from :

DCL
Holgate
Henry
Lookman

Step up and take some of those Other spots.

What happens to the rest I donít really mind. Would be an egregious error if Williams for example continued to get minutes next year, but if the likes of Bolasie, FM, Niasse, got a few minutes without taking from good players or young players then sound. Equally if they are sold to the lowest bidder Iím not really arsed.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toddacelli on April 20, 2018, 10:27:33 PM
What I can't deal with right now is being linked with every player under the sun - when clearly, nothing is in the works because the current management team have got one foot out of the door and the new management team haven't even been chosen yet (probably haven't even been approached yet).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 20, 2018, 10:43:09 PM
Weíre in an awkward position whereby weíre desperate for stability and to reduce the turnover of the squad...but we need to bring in lots of quality and to get rid of a shed load of dross.

It could take a fair few transfer windows to unpick this ball of string.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on April 20, 2018, 10:56:58 PM
Weíre in an awkward position whereby weíre desperate for stability and to reduce the turnover of the squad...but we need to bring in lots of quality and to get rid of a shed load of dross.

It could take a fair few transfer windows to unpick this ball of string.

One of the reasons why we should have been investing serious minutes in our "good enough to be on the pitch" young players -- Calvert-Lewin, Davies, Holgate, Vlasic* -- the moment our games became meaningless. Those players are young enough to make significant improvements and if you can build a solid base with some (or all) of them, it gives you a stable platform to swap out not-good-enough older players in other positions.

But it's Allardyce who gets the stick if he does that, so...

* They're not really "young" but Klaassen and Keane (who's mostly been playing, to be fair) should probably be included here too. I'm leaving Pickford out of it because he's clearly our #1 keeper and it's a non-issue.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 24, 2018, 01:25:21 PM
Perfect world for me would be :

Pickford
Other

Coleman Keane* Other Baines
Other     Jags      Other  Other

Gana Other Other
Davies Other Other

Walcott   Tosun*   Gylfi
Other      Other     Other

* maybes, like 60/40 sure they will be first teamers.

Some of the above it would be great to get a few younger, better upgrades e.g Baines, Gylfi, Tosun perhaps, but it feels a bit daft to suggest that when we have basically a black hole weíre a top 6 midfield should be and no proven game changer in the squad.

Hopefully some from :

DCL
Holgate
Henry
Lookman

Step up and take some of those Other spots.

What happens to the rest I donít really mind. Would be an egregious error if Williams for example continued to get minutes next year, but if the likes of Bolasie, FM, Niasse, got a few minutes without taking from good players or young players then sound. Equally if they are sold to the lowest bidder Iím not really arsed.

Starting to think very strongly that a better front man will be needed.

Would personally be starting DCL if we had to win games, but Iím happy with either because both need minutes.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 24, 2018, 03:02:22 PM
Starting to think very strongly that a better front man will be needed.

Would personally be starting DCL if we had to win games, but I’m happy with either because both need minutes.

Absolutely. Tosun is a willing runner but compared to what we've had the past few years he's light years away and it's no wonder we don't create much as his movement is very standard, no real intelligence there. Granted we're not going to attract another Lukaku but if we're serious about making a real go at this your front man is the one you go big on.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on April 24, 2018, 03:04:05 PM
We don't really get or keep the ball in the final third, so not really sure we can judge Tosun personally.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 24, 2018, 03:25:47 PM
We don't really get or keep the ball in the final third, so not really sure we can judge Tosun personally.

I think that's fair but we can only go off what we see at the moment. He's not awful and has some nice touches but we can't assume he'll offer more if we play a different way until we start playing a different way. I'm not getting on his back or anything but he is prone to ball watching quite often, although to be fair he is probably just bored.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 24, 2018, 05:04:22 PM
Starting to think very strongly that a better front man will be needed.

Would personally be starting DCL if we had to win games, but Iím happy with either because both need minutes.

Hard to judge Tosun when we don't create any chances. He doesn't look the type of player to create a goal out of nothing but not a lot of players are, especially not our players. That said, if we're going to push on and break into the top six, we do need to bring in someone else who can score goals when the team isn't creating chances. I think Tosun will be a good option though, he looks a decent finisher from what we've seen. Don't really understand what DCL has done to justify being the striker to win us games, he's not exactly clinical.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on April 24, 2018, 05:24:01 PM
Agree with you there milky its hard to really judge a lot of the players the way we are playing under allardyce
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 24, 2018, 05:26:52 PM
We don't really get or keep the ball in the final third, so not really sure we can judge Tosun personally.

Yes, only thing stopping me from being in the Ďthis guy is a turkeyí camp. As I said in a previous thread, hard to judge anyone until this mess is all behind us.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 01, 2018, 12:36:28 AM
Starting to think very strongly that a better front man will be needed.

Would personally be starting DCL if we had to win games, but Iím happy with either because both need minutes.

Depends how we play.. Tosun isnt a donkey. we are wasting him using him to do the donkey work, he is a class finisher,, but we're not set up to use him at what he's great at (finishing chances).
If  we want a striker to do the hard/dirty work, we should play Tosun with DCL.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 01, 2018, 12:53:35 AM
Tosun is a proper finisher imo. If we give him chances he will score goals.

Sadly we are so negative that the team is about fifty yards away from him aiming hopeless balls at him
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 01, 2018, 01:09:30 AM
That goal was special like.

Saw someone saying heís a bit harry Kane ish.

Is he? That goal had a shade of him, in that he got half a yard and buried it. The xg for that shot wasnít very high I canít imagine but he stuck it low into the corner. Sort of goal Kane scores lots of.

Would really like to see a good creator behind him. Or yeah, another cf alongside him. Just chances would be good.

He did a good bit of silkyness as well after the goal - sort of spun one or two men and drove into the box. Would love to see more of that but yeah, at the moment heís chasing flickons or running
channels like a shane long which obviously isnít ideal, and would arguably suit DCL better.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on May 01, 2018, 01:23:47 AM
We don't really get or keep the ball in the final third, so not really sure we can judge Tosun personally.
This
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 01:54:29 PM
So according to kenwright - klaasen, Ramires and vlasic are not going to be sold in the summer and will be given more chance to adapt and prove themselves.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on May 02, 2018, 01:57:55 PM
So according to kenwright - klaasen, Ramires and vlasic are not going to be sold in the summer and will be given more chance to adapt and prove themselves.

If that is the case, and I hope it is to some extent, its criminal if all of those that are available arent included in the match day squads for the remaining games
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 02:04:59 PM
Its been criminal that klaasen hasnt found minutes with the shit that tom davis, rooney, morgan and co. Have been playing.

I'd have had a lot more respect for allardyce that once we were safe and past the city and Liverpool games that he had played klaasen and vlasic a fair bit. He could have said our results may suffer but it's important to see what they can do. But instead he made it all about himself 'Not getting it in the neck'
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on May 02, 2018, 03:46:52 PM
If its true about those three staying then hopefully that means allardyce leaving as he clearly doesnít rate them
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on May 02, 2018, 03:55:29 PM
If its true about those three staying then hopefully that means allardyce leaving as he clearly doesnít rate them

I was thinking that last night, as for the last couple of weeks, Allardyce has been saying that the squad needs to be trimmed down and hinted that it would be the players on the fringes. Kenwright has gone against that with this statement.

I suppose we will just have to 'Watch This Space' and see what happens. I suspect that if anything is going to happen (fingers and toes crossed that it does), it will be more likely at the end of next week as the season draws to an end.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 02, 2018, 03:58:09 PM
Not sure who chats the more wham.... Allardyce or kenwright
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 02, 2018, 04:05:44 PM
Sandro won't be coming back, that's for sure.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on May 02, 2018, 04:22:01 PM
Sandro won't be coming back, that's for sure.

Seems the sort to just go AWOL
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 04:51:19 PM
Sandro won't be coming back, that's for sure.

Oh I dunno, if there's a new manager in place,(that he respects) who says to him I've seen you play and it's what I believe will be fit into how I want to play..could happen
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on May 02, 2018, 05:50:17 PM
Saw an interview with Koeman saying he was disappointed with how Klaassen had turned out and doubts he'll ever adapt to the Premier League.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 02, 2018, 06:05:22 PM
Interesting instragram from Schneiderlin

https://twitter.com/everton4life88/status/991606386038583296
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on May 02, 2018, 06:16:03 PM
Interesting instragram from Schneiderlin

https://twitter.com/everton4life88/status/991606386038583296

She's expecting
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on May 02, 2018, 06:17:37 PM
Maybe she's pregnant?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 06:44:27 PM
So that's where he's been directing his energy and work ethic....into her minge
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on May 02, 2018, 06:51:51 PM
So that's where he's been directing his energy and work ethic....into her minge

Canít blame him really
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on May 02, 2018, 07:08:37 PM
So that's where he's been directing his energy and work ethic....into her minge

Fuck me I'm suprised he can even score in the bedroom that cunt .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 02, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
I want him to stay, he's been slowly getting back his best recently
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 02, 2018, 07:59:53 PM
I want him to stay, he's been slowly getting back his best recently

Not worth the risk imo.

Sell.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on May 03, 2018, 06:16:48 AM
What about the forgotten man Brendan Galloway? Gutted how things have turned out for him. Thought he was going to do well for us
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on May 03, 2018, 02:33:24 PM
What about the forgotten man Brendan Galloway? Gutted how things have turned out for him. Thought he was going to do well for us
................me too .He looked decent when he had a run in our first team. Only played 10 games in 2 seasons for WBA and Sunderland. Must be back at FF now ,him and Tyas Browning
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 03, 2018, 03:08:02 PM
The transfer window opens is just over 5 weeks and closes in 14 weeks time.

Quite scary how many decisions need to be made about backroom and playing staff before then.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on May 03, 2018, 03:46:19 PM
Looks like Henry might be staying out on loan?

It appears that negotiations are underway between Everton and Anderlecht that could see Henry Onyekuru playing in Belgium for another year. As reported by Belgian outlet Het Laatste Nieuws (HLN) in their print edition, an agreement is in the draft stage for the Purple & White to keep the young forward.

However, any negotiations for the Nigerian to extend his loan period appear contingent on Anderlecht qualifying for the Champions League. The club are currently sitting in third place in the Jupiler League playoff stage with four games left to play. Anderlecht are tied on points with second-placed Genk, and four points adrift of leaders Standard Liege.

His broker William DíAvila added in comments to the same daily -

ďThatís right. If Henry could play in the Champions League with Anderlecht, that would make the conversations easier.

ďAt the moment our focus is on the return of Henry and his chances for World Cup participation. Afterwards, all options are open: Everton, Anderlecht or another European club.Ē

Reports from Italy say that AC Milan have been linked with the player recently after receiving glowing reports from their scouts before the player got injured. Onyekuru played an hour on Monday for the Anderlecht reserves after getting 25 minutes the previous week in his first appearance on the pitch in 2018.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on May 03, 2018, 03:52:54 PM
Absolutely no way he should be going out on loan again.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on May 03, 2018, 04:00:43 PM
Absolutely no way he should be going out on loan again.

If Allardyce has a say in the matter and sanctions a new loan deal that will be the final straw.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 03, 2018, 04:37:32 PM
Absolutely no way he should be going out on loan again.

Does he qualify for a permit next year?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 03, 2018, 05:38:28 PM
Yeah, unless Henry gets to the WC and gets more caps, he wonít qualify for a work permit.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 03, 2018, 09:36:47 PM
I want him to stay, he's been slowly getting back his best recently

I see it differently, I see him playing better due to him putting himself in the shop window.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 03, 2018, 09:39:50 PM
Depends how we play.. Tosun isnt a donkey. we are wasting him using him to do the donkey work, he is a class finisher,, but we're not set up to use him at what he's great at (finishing chances).
If  we want a striker to do the hard/dirty work, we should play Tosun with DCL.

I don't think DCL is experienced or strong enough to do the leg work. He plays on the fringes and will chase balls into the corner all day long but while we have Tosun stood in the box and the rest of the side 40 yards away we're wasting them both.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 09:42:48 PM
I think dcl needs a season on loan, as long as we buy in a quality striker. That's also dependant upon us playing one striker up front.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 03, 2018, 09:43:33 PM
Absolutely no way he should be going out on loan again.

He should definitely be going out on loan. He was playing at a not too dissimilar level to Lookman before he joined Anderlecht this season and he's missed a lot of the season through injury. Lookman was way off the pace in terms of his overall play when he arrived so I'd hate to see Henry be in that position. Let him progress, play in the Champions League and then come when he's had another year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 03, 2018, 09:47:38 PM
I don't think DCL is experienced or strong enough to do the leg work. He plays on the fringes and will chase balls into the corner all day long but while we have Tosun stood in the box and the rest of the side 40 yards away we're wasting them both.

I agree with this, but we have no one else in our squad atm,. who can do the donkey work.... hopefully we wont need a striker to do the donkey work, cos Allardyce would be gone by the start of next season....

i hate that 40 yards away from the rest of the team shit, we did it with Lukaku for years... its not how you attack, i dont know any other team whose midfielders/2 wide men; be so far away from the central striker.. shocking really.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 09:54:54 PM
I do hope the media ask SA about the club (kenwright)keeping klaasen and Sandra next year at his press conference.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 03, 2018, 11:42:50 PM
Beningame has signed a new 4 year contract
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Nicco on May 03, 2018, 11:52:22 PM
Absolutely no way he should be going out on loan again.
And if he does ut should preferably choose Oldham, Derby or such...
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on May 17, 2018, 09:48:45 PM
Outgoing

Definite

Williams - He's been poor and he's not going to improve.
Rooney - Harsh because he's played an important role this season but he's on big wages and there's a firm offer on the table.
Funes Mori - He's so rash and unpredictable that I just can't get behind him. You could argue that he deserves a chance under a new manager but I don't think he's worth the fuss.
Robles - Contract expiring. No reason to renew.
Besic - He will almost certainly be wanted by Boro so it should be an easy sale. Again, you could argue that he deserves a chance under a new manager but I don't think he offers enough on the ball to be worth it.
Mirallas - No sane club should want him but someone will inevitably talk themselves into it.

If Possible

Martina - He did a solid job in difficult circumstances this season but he's plainly not good enough for this level. I really can't see anybody buying him, unfortunately.
McCarthy - I don't see a way back into the team for him, especially as our biggest need in midfield is extra quality on the ball. Unlikely to be sold coming off a major injury, though.
Garbutt - Zero use to us but I can't imagine anybody would want him given the wage he's on.

After Being Evaluated By New Manager

Schneiderlin - I think there's a chance the new manager will be able to use him but if not, he's a prime candidate to be sold.
Bolasie - I'm not a fan but I'm open to the possibility that he'll have some utility to the new boss.
Klaassen - He's been professional in difficult circumstances. Hopefully, he can show what he's about in a set-up more amenable to his style. Should be easy to unload if we decide he's not needed.
Sandro - If he's even willing to return. I have my reservations (https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/ (https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/)) but I can also see someone like Silva improving his attacking positioning him and helping him become the goalscorer we thought he was at Malaga. Should be an easy sale if he goes.

Sell If You Can Upgrade

Niasse - This is tough because I absolutely love what he brings off the bench. Still, he's ill-suited to starting matches and the squad would probably be better off with another forward who can challenge Calvert-Lewin and Tosun for starts. (And we absolutely don't need four centre forwards on our books.)

Incoming

Any incomings players should be age 25 or younger. This squad is old and we're not close to winning anything. We shouldn't do anything that might hamstring us in the near future.

Also, I've tried to "bring in" as few players as possible because I'm wary of too much upheaval given changes at the top of the club, a shortened pre-season due to the World Cup, and what happened last summer.

No Matter What

CM - Anyone who helps us progress the ball into the final third, either through passing or dribbling. We don't get the ball into attacking positions enough and that's the #1 thing that needs to change going into next season.
LB - Someone with genuine creative ability to replace Baines (who should be retained as a reliable cover/rotation option)
CB - A strong defender, preferably comfortable on the left side of defense, to replace Jagielka (who, again, should be retained as reliable cover)

If The Right Player Is Available

CF - It's only worth it if we get an opportunity to sign someone with genuine quality or obvious potential (like Tammy Abraham, who's coming off a poor year for a horrible attacking side but is still a serious prospect). Centre forwards are expensive and the vast majority of them aren't worth the fuss.

It Depends

CM - If we sell enough midfielders, we may need someone extra.
RW/LW - There are a lot of factors here. Are we selling Bolasie and/or Sandro? Is Onyekuru going on loan? Do we think we can cover these positions with Sigurdsson/Sandro/Lookman/Vlasic? Is a big talent like Lozano available? So yeah, no clue.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 18, 2018, 06:39:37 AM
CM - Max Meyer contract running out. Hes Young but good enough by far. Carvalho linked, like for like with schneiderlin. Paredes, bit of a mix of both, could you tempt from zenit? Frenkie De Jong a bit early and destined for CL?

LB - honesty no idea. Would have said Luke Shaw was nailed on for Walshy, but Franky Fabra could be a goer under Brands,despite the seemingly Cronenbergian timeline.

CB - someone said Tah? Like the idea of that. De Ligt if we want to go down the Stones route. I think I would prefer an athletically dominant CB...Mawson still realistic?

CF - iheanacho would be my choice if Leicester aren’t entirely convinced. Would still be interested in dembele, embolo, Dolberg, Willian Josť....belotti ? Someone has to buy him at some point.

Superstar factor : neres, lozano, mahrez (old but OK), bergwijn, kluivert, Oyarzabal, inaki Williams, Adama traore, guedes, ziyech, sisto, demarai gray, James Maddison.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: American Evertonian on May 18, 2018, 09:57:32 AM
CM - Max Meyer contract running out. Hes Young but good enough by far. Carvalho linked, like for like with schneiderlin. Paredes, bit of a mix of both, could you tempt from zenit? Frenkie De Jong a bit early and destined for CL?

LB - honesty no idea. Would have said Luke Shaw was nailed on for Walshy, but Franky Fabra could be a goer under Brands,despite the seemingly Cronenbergian timeline.

CB - someone said Tah? Like the idea of that. De Ligt if we want to go down the Stones route. I think I would prefer an athletically dominant CB...Mawson still realistic?

CF - iheanacho would be my choice if Leicester arenít entirely convinced. Would still be interested in dembele, embolo, Dolberg, Willian Josť....belotti ? Someone has to buy him at some point.

Superstar factor : neres, lozano, mahrez (old but OK), bergwijn, kluivert, Oyarzabal, inaki Williams, Adama traore, guedes, sisto, demarai gray, James Maddison.

I could get on board with some of these for sure.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 18, 2018, 04:04:23 PM
CM - Max Meyer contract running out. Hes Young but good enough by far. Carvalho linked, like for like with schneiderlin. Paredes, bit of a mix of both, could you tempt from zenit? Frenkie De Jong a bit early and destined for CL?

LB - honesty no idea. Would have said Luke Shaw was nailed on for Walshy, but Franky Fabra could be a goer under Brands,despite the seemingly Cronenbergian timeline.

CB - someone said Tah? Like the idea of that. De Ligt if we want to go down the Stones route. I think I would prefer an athletically dominant CB...Mawson still realistic?

CF - iheanacho would be my choice if Leicester arenít entirely convinced. Would still be interested in dembele, embolo, Dolberg, Willian Josť....belotti ? Someone has to buy him at some point.

Superstar factor : neres, lozano, mahrez (old but OK), bergwijn, kluivert, Oyarzabal, inaki Williams, Adama traore, guedes, sisto, demarai gray, James Maddison.

Wanted Dolberg here since the beginning of last season.. wish Brands can twist his arm.. Dolberg and Tosun would be a pretty lethal partnership with Mayer in behind them.. Maddison would also be a great signing..Cant see him playing week in week out for any club above us..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 18, 2018, 09:18:09 PM
Klaasen looking to stay and fight for his place next season, apparently.
I like that in a player.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 18, 2018, 10:45:03 PM
Klaasen looking to stay and fight for his place next season, apparently.
I like that in a player.
TBF whatís the alternative? He ainít going back to Ajax on £100k a week.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on May 18, 2018, 11:05:06 PM
TBF what's the alternative? He ain't going back to Ajax on £100k a week.

Iím pretty confident that some good European sides would be interested if he was available.

Iím happy he wants to stick around to show the new boss what he has to offer. He was arguably the least suited of our new signings to Koeman/Allardyce long-ball tactics and probably has the most to gain from us hiring someone more progressive.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 18, 2018, 11:37:58 PM
I'm pretty confident that some good European sides would be interested if he was available.

I'm happy he wants to stick around to show the new boss what he has to offer. He was arguably the least suited of our new signings to Koeman/Allardyce long-ball tactics and probably has the most to gain from us hiring someone more progressive.
Good on him for wanting to stay and fight for his place. He has nothing to lose and neither do we, it's not like clubs are banging down the doors for him and he's rejecting moves
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on May 19, 2018, 02:41:32 AM
He did reject a loan to Napoli in January though
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on May 19, 2018, 03:22:09 AM
Literally never wanted a player to come good as much as I do for Davy
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on May 19, 2018, 03:36:15 AM
CM - Max Meyer contract running out. Hes Young but good enough by far. Carvalho linked, like for like with schneiderlin. Paredes, bit of a mix of both, could you tempt from zenit? Frenkie De Jong a bit early and destined for CL?

LB - honesty no idea. Would have said Luke Shaw was nailed on for Walshy, but Franky Fabra could be a goer under Brands,despite the seemingly Cronenbergian timeline.

CB - someone said Tah? Like the idea of that. De Ligt if we want to go down the Stones route. I think I would prefer an athletically dominant CB...Mawson still realistic?

CF - iheanacho would be my choice if Leicester arenít entirely convinced. Would still be interested in dembele, embolo, Dolberg, Willian Josť....belotti ? Someone has to buy him at some point.

Superstar factor : neres, lozano, mahrez (old but OK), bergwijn, kluivert, Oyarzabal, inaki Williams, Adama traore, guedes, ziyech, sisto, demarai gray, James Maddison.

Good suggestions there matey and realistic
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on May 19, 2018, 03:37:55 AM
Think someone at the echo mentioned Fabinho from Monaco and Phillip Max a German left back
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Outworlder47 on May 19, 2018, 09:34:53 AM
He did reject a loan to Napoli in January though

To be fair he wouldn't sniff their XI, especially not while Napoli was chasing the Serie A title. Hamsik (attack), Jorginho (distribute), and the Brazilian Allan (protect) have been the preferred midfield three with Zielinski tending to come on for one of them each match. Klaassen would play most similarly to either of the first two, and he's not currently shown that level of play.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on May 19, 2018, 12:37:08 PM
To be fair he wouldn't sniff their XI, especially not while Napoli was chasing the Serie A title. Hamsik (attack), Jorginho (distribute), and the Brazilian Allan (protect) have been the preferred midfield three with Zielinski tending to come on for one of them each match. Klaassen would play most similarly to either of the first two, and he's not currently shown that level of play.

I was wondering whether he had the physical attributes to play how Napoli do.

So Iíd be interested if in a more coherent attacking system whether thereís something thatís heís lost here that can be extracted by a more suitable tactical approach.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Literally never wanted a player to come good as much as I do for Davy

Be great if him and Sandro make decent contributions next season
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2018, 03:43:41 PM
Be great if him and Sandro make decent contributions next season

Save us a fortune if they turn out to be able to contribute. Plus theyíre both a good age to invest in and hopefully improve.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 19, 2018, 05:47:35 PM
Be great if him and Sandro make decent contributions next season

Hopefully, but it doesnít bode well that he went on loan in January to get more playing time and only made one appearance.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 19, 2018, 06:20:04 PM
I can see Sandro running down his contract with us, as no one will pay him anything like what we do, i feel we need to get rid of over 50% of our players and buy a whole new team..

keep the youngsters + Rooney/Jags/Baines and Gueye, bin the rest.

This summers going to be fun.. more fun than last year and the Siggy saga.

I dont even care if we get Raiola's lesser stars just to give them a better shop window.. hopefully by the time we come to sell them.. we'd be regular top 6... so they might even stay!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 19, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
I can see Sandro running down his contract with us, as no one will pay him anything like what we do, i feel we need to get rid of over 50% of our players and buy a whole new team..

keep the youngsters + Rooney/Jags/Baines and Gueye, bin the rest.

This summers going to be fun.. more fun than last year and the Siggy saga.

I dont even care if we get Raiola's lesser stars just to give them a better shop window.. hopefully by the time we come to sell them.. we'd be regular top 6... so they might even stay!

Counting your chickens a little early, but I like the optimism.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Rodenplav64 on May 19, 2018, 07:44:11 PM
Some football manager like spending sprees on here .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2018, 11:34:18 PM
Pretty sure a proper manager who can coach would get more of a tune out of Sandro and Klaassan.

Not saying theyíll definitely come good but Iíd like to think if theyíre here next season theyíd show more than weíve seen so far.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 19, 2018, 11:44:28 PM
Some football manager like spending sprees on here .

Ä100m budget, maybe plus whatever we pull in from transfers.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on May 20, 2018, 01:17:49 AM
Ä100m budget, maybe plus whatever we pull in from transfers.


100m wonít really sort us out
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on May 20, 2018, 01:26:24 AM
100m wonít really sort us out

Although the money has ballooned thereís no way that with good scouting etc that £100m wonít improve us.

We just need to avoid overpaying in the English market.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 20, 2018, 02:20:26 AM
we made 128 million this season on TV rights/finishing where we did in the league, at the very minimum i expect that to be invested... we really should be investing another 72m on top of that.. with some Lukaku cash, and the players we will offload.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on May 20, 2018, 02:35:32 AM
Ä100m budget, maybe plus whatever we pull in from transfers.


About an extra £50, then  ;)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 20, 2018, 02:56:32 AM
Pretty sure a proper manager who can coach would get more of a tune out of Sandro and Klaassan.

Not saying theyíll definitely come good but Iíd like to think if theyíre here next season theyíd show more than weíve seen so far.

Assuming Sig will be in the team as well we'll have to add lot of pace to the rest of the team in that case.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on May 20, 2018, 03:04:24 AM
we made 128 million this season on TV rights/finishing where we did in the league, at the very minimum i expect that to be invested... we really should be investing another 72m on top of that.. with some Lukaku cash, and the players we will offload.

We have expenses to be paid too though (most of it wages).

That £128m isnít profit.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on May 20, 2018, 03:05:43 AM
Assuming Sig will be in the team as well we'll have to add lot of pace to the rest of the team in that case.

Yes that would be true. But those two donít have to be in the team.

Just being able to use them as part of the squad would be a big improvement.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 20, 2018, 03:18:55 AM
We have expenses to be paid too though (most of it wages).

That £128m isnít profit.

Regardless of where we finished, we would have to pay the wages and expenses anyway.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on May 20, 2018, 03:20:26 AM
We have expenses to be paid too though (most of it wages).

That £128m isnít profit.



not to mention paying off various managers , doesn't take long to spend that
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on May 20, 2018, 04:23:29 AM
Regardless of where we finished, we would have to pay the wages and expenses anyway.

Yes but the prize money is budgeted at the start of the year.

Iíd imagine we budgeted to finish 7th (we got the 7th most money) so we wonít now have loads more unexpected funds.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 20, 2018, 04:28:40 AM
I doubt Moshiri would have scrapped the off-field staff, restructured the board - just to tread water. Heíll support the new manager and technical director, financially.

Heíll know that revamping the squad will take more than a couple of seasons anyway, so itís not like we have to find all the money to get us where he wants us to be, all at once.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 20, 2018, 04:34:35 AM
There's Not a chance in the world that we are gonna get rid of 10 plus players and replace them like people seem to think, it's gonna take time and a plan, hopefully brands can provide that platform
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 20, 2018, 04:40:14 AM
Weíve got a huge squad at the minute. Iíd be amazed if we bring in more than 4-5 whilst letting 7-8 go.
The next manager will have to work with the majority of the players that have failed us the past 18 months. Heíll have find a system and develop a style that gets the best out of what we have. Which should still be comfortably enough to at least be the best of the rest next season, which is where weíll be budgeting to finish.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Confucius on May 20, 2018, 04:43:08 AM
I don't think we need to let 10 players go. 3-4 might be let go, some of the others will be good for depth. We need a few areas of improvement, a better manager and things will be vastly different.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 20, 2018, 05:35:57 AM
Being extremely conservative, I would say :

1. Williams
2. Mirallas

Slightly less conservative would include also :

3. Rooney
4. Schneiderlin
5. Funes Mori
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Trowel on May 20, 2018, 02:19:42 PM
Personally I'd like to see Schneiderlin get a run out under a new coach and tactics. He showed enough toward the end of the season to suggest he can cement his place in the starting eleven.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: fubarruk on May 20, 2018, 02:28:56 PM
we made 128 million this season on TV rights/finishing where we did in the league, at the very minimum i expect that to be invested... we really should be investing another 72m on top of that.. with some Lukaku cash, and the players we will offload.
You do realise football clubs also cost money to run and not every penny that comes in can go back out on transfers..?

If spending £128 million is the 'minimum' you expect I'd set yourself up for some dissapointment.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: phillyt on May 20, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
I was thinking about our squad a couple of days ago. Assuming (hopefully incorrectly) that we make no signings how do we look,

          Pickford
Coleman Keane jags Baines
(Kenny)    (Mori holgate)
   Gueye davies
 (baningime, Schneiderlin, rooney)
Lookman sigurdson walcott
(Klaasen, bolasie, Vlasic, mirralas)
          tosun
  (Niasse, dcl, sandro)

I think with more confidence Keane and klaasen could prove useful. Holgate May improve enough to make jags a decent back up. And we have no back up for Baines. Defensive mid is ok the 3 behind the striker is a good mix of pace and craft and tosun has impressed.

That side, with guidance, motivation and fitness would keep us were we are, maybe push 6th if Arsenalís decline continues.

I think we need to prioritise the backline in the summer. A quality left back to replace/back up Baines is a must and at least 1/2 center backs. Beyond that Iíd say a striker to replace/back up tosun would be helpful.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 20, 2018, 03:02:33 PM
I feel that we will sell 3 or 4 and bring in probably
Left back
Center back
Winger
Center mid
Striker.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on May 20, 2018, 04:51:53 PM
I reckon we could move on 8, bring in 5, and have four returning loans (Lookman, Robinson, Besic, and Sandro could go into the first-team squad; I feel Dowell may go out on loan again)

I think the areas we will look to strengthen are:
LB
CB
CB
CM/DCM
W/FW
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on May 20, 2018, 04:54:42 PM
There's Not a chance in the world that we are gonna get rid of 10 plus players and replace them like people seem to think, it's gonna take time and a plan, hopefully brands can provide that platform

I'd be quite happy seeing 12 go and 4 come in.  We've got something ridiculous like 38 first team players which without Europe is far far too many.

Robles
Martina
Connolly
Williams
Funes Mori
Browning
Galloway
Garbutt
Mirallas
Rooney
McCarthy
Besic

Could lose all those and not even notice.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 20, 2018, 04:57:27 PM
I'd be quite happy seeing 12 go and 4 come in.  We've got something ridiculous like 38 first team players which without Europe is far far too many.

Robles
Martina
Connolly
Williams
Funes Mori
Browning
Galloway
Garbutt
Mirallas
Rooney
McCarthy
Besic

Could lose all those and not even notice.
Yeah was thinking this last night I should have changed my post to ten out of the matchday squads as there's plenty of shite in the actual squad that we could easily lose
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on May 20, 2018, 05:03:37 PM
I'm more confident that Brands will do what is needed than Steve (Arthur Daley) Walsh.

Read some positive articles about Robinson's loan at Bolton and Lookman (despite what the previous manager said) has had a very positive loan away.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 20, 2018, 06:08:24 PM
There's Not a chance in the world that we are gonna get rid of 10 plus players and replace them like people seem to think, it's gonna take time and a plan, hopefully brands can provide that platform

I'm just thinking of Martina, Schneiderlin, Bolasie,Williams, Tarashaj and maybe Becis ( *sadface* )

atleast buy 5-6 players who can improve the squad, the rest of the squad can be full of the youngsters we have.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 20, 2018, 06:14:09 PM
You do realise football clubs also cost money to run and not every penny that comes in can go back out on transfers..?

If spending £128 million is the 'minimum' you expect I'd set yourself up for some dissapointment.

we spent that much last year. i think its like 250 million since Moshiri has been in charge..
I wont be disappointed at all even if we just spend 50 million, its how you invest the money.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on May 20, 2018, 09:59:07 PM
we spent that much last year. i think its like 250 million since Moshiri has been in charge..
I wont be disappointed at all even if we just spend 50 million, its how you invest the money.

Thatís my issue you say itís how you invest and we invest it badly, Keane and Klaassen is 50m and shite
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on May 20, 2018, 10:33:15 PM
Thatís my issue you say itís how you invest and we invest it badly, Keane and Klaassen is 50m and shite

Hence new DOF and Manager and CEO though things could change dramatically and it's not going to take much for that to be an upward change
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 02:36:30 PM
Get rid of the shite and bring in 3 or 4 quality players.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 21, 2018, 02:51:11 PM
Get rid of the shite and bring in 3 or 4 quality players.

We still need to be able to field 11 players!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on May 21, 2018, 04:50:33 PM
it still amazes me that the players in general get off too lightly

even this thread has only 18 pages

manager threads though? fucking hell, lively those
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 21, 2018, 05:17:52 PM
it still amazes me that the players in general get off too lightly

even this thread has only 18 pages

manager threads though? fucking hell, lively those

you made me chuckle.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 21, 2018, 05:27:49 PM
The only players I definitely want us to keep are Pickford, Coleman, Kenny, Holgate, Gana, Beni, Vlasic, Sigurdsson, Lookman, Walcott, Niasse, Tosun. A lot of those only because they're young players who shouldn't be judged on a terrible season. I wouldn't be arsed about losing any of the others.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Hesmenos on May 21, 2018, 05:40:30 PM
I think a big part of Brands job will be trimming the squad. We had too many players last year when we were in the Europa, we have far too many this year especially if we are looking to add a few as well.
It won't be easy either, as we have a lot of dross and with many of them on high wages.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: arteta4spain on May 21, 2018, 05:43:13 PM
The only players I definitely want us to keep are Pickford, Coleman, Kenny, Holgate, Gana, Beni, Vlasic, Sigurdsson, Lookman, Walcott, Niasse, Tosun. A lot of those only because they're young players who shouldn't be judged on a terrible season. I wouldn't be arsed about losing any of the others.
No Davies? Really?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: ChewyIsABlue on May 21, 2018, 05:53:17 PM
I agree with no Davies and I'm still not sure about Kenny either. Would loan them both out next year. But would have Calvert-Lewin, still think he could turn into a superb striker.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 21, 2018, 05:54:28 PM
No Davies? Really?

I wouldn't mind if we kept Davies. Obviously got ability, but not sure if he's good enough to be playing CM for us if we want to progress. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 21, 2018, 06:01:56 PM
We can easily lose

Robles
Steklenburg
Galloway
Browning
Garbutt
Williams
Martina
Besic (tempted to keep)
Mirallas
Bolasie

And it have minimal effect. Probs get about 20-30m there

If Sandro is desperate to go add him to it although id like to see him with a different management style

Bring in 3 or 4 and then see where we stand
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on May 21, 2018, 06:08:19 PM
I reckon there's about 8 players you could lose that wouldnt need replacing there.

Galloway, shame really as i really rated him. Shows what happens if you just loan players out with no thought.
Browning
Martina
Williams
One of the keepers
Garbutt
Besic
Sandro

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 21, 2018, 06:09:33 PM
We can easily lose

Robles
Steklenburg
Galloway
Browning
Garbutt
Williams
Martina
Besic (tempted to keep)
Mirallas
Bolasie

And it have minimal effect. Probs get about 20-30m there

If Sandro is desperate to go add him to it although id like to see him with a different management style

Bring in 3 or 4 and then see where we stand

Surely worth keeping Stekelenburg as the sub GK? Robles too good to sit on our bench forever.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 06:12:29 PM
Robles has already gone hasn't he? Sure I read somewhere that he has already signed a pre contract agreement with a Spanish club
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 21, 2018, 06:15:31 PM
Heard lots of rumours he was signing for Getafe. Makes sense with him being from Madrid originally. Not sure anything was actually confirmed, although his contract is up so he'll definitely be going somewhere. Decent move for him, think they finished top 10 in La Liga this season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 21, 2018, 06:19:35 PM
Surely worth keeping Stekelenburg as the sub GK? Robles too good to sit on our bench forever.


Stek was visibly declining under Koeman, he's only going to get worse sitting on his arse as his birthdays tick off. You want your third goalkeeper to be a young lad and your reserve goalkeeper able to do a reliable job if needed.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 21, 2018, 06:24:22 PM
Stek was visibly declining under Koeman, he's only going to get worse sitting on his arse as his birthdays tick off. You want your third goalkeeper to be a young lad and your reserve goalkeeper able to do a reliable job if needed.

Visibly declining in what way? He kept 2 clean sheets in 3 games this season and his form got him back in the Dutch squad the year before. Saves us spending any money on a keeper who's just coming to sit on the bench. Have we even got any decent young keepers coming through?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 21, 2018, 06:25:49 PM
Deffo some additions I missed by accident in there yeah. Robles, McCarthy, Besic, Garbutt, got to be another £20m in shifting them..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on May 21, 2018, 06:27:17 PM
Robles has had a deal agreed with Getafe since last summer.

Was told to sit on his contract and get that sweet signing on fee
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 06:29:42 PM
Deffo some additions I missed by accident in there yeah. Robles, McCarthy, Besic, Garbutt, got to be another £20m in shifting them..

Can't see McCarthy leaving anytime soon, won't be fit until November / December
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 06:30:58 PM
Robles has had a deal agreed with Getafe since last summer.

Was told to sit on his contract and get that sweet signing on fee

A million peseta's which works out at about 37p
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 21, 2018, 06:33:30 PM
A million peseta's which works out at about 37p
Pesetas ha
Kids, ask your dad
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on May 21, 2018, 06:38:41 PM
A million peseta's which works out at about 37p

wot r peseta's m8
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on May 21, 2018, 06:40:05 PM
wot r peseta's m8
Old Spanish currency
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 07:26:44 PM
Pesetas ha
Kids, ask your dad

Remember going to Spain on hols when I was a kid and my mum and dad giving me 10,000 pesetas to spend, I thought I was loaded, think it worked out at just over 9 quid
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on May 21, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
Old Spanish currency
........................was working in Spain when the currency changed on 1st.Jan 2002. The supermarkets had smart  tills so you could pay in pesetas and get your change in euros otherwise it would have been chaos.
There was an amnesty on 'black money ' . People were queuing up at the banks with bags of old peseta notes to change into euros.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 21, 2018, 07:56:40 PM
Did one of them have a little hole in it? Seem to remember that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 21, 2018, 08:03:49 PM
Did one of them have a little hole in it? Seem to remember that.
Yeah perfect for burning off a bit of rocky
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on May 21, 2018, 08:07:21 PM
Yeah perfect for burning off a bit of rocky

Haha my miss spent youth comes flooding back 😅😅.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 21, 2018, 08:26:24 PM
Yeah perfect for burning off a bit of rocky

God, how I love all of the cutesy drug references I have learned here.  NSNO!!
Title: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: gslick on June 01, 2018, 03:40:02 PM
This is Everton's first team, I would do the following for us to get into the top 6

S = Sell
L = Loan
The rest I would keep and buy new players

Jordan Pickford
Morgan Schneiderlin (S)
Leighton Baines
Michael Keane
Ashley Williams (S)
Phil Jagielka
Yannick Bolasie
Tom Davies
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Wayne Rooney  (S)
Kevin Mirallas (S)
Theo Walcott
Cenk Tosun
Cuco Martina
James McCarthy (S)
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Oumar Niasse (S)
Davy Klaassen
Muhamed Besic
Maarten Stekelenburg
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori (S)
Nikola Vlaöić (L)
Kieran Dowell (L)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin (L)
Mason Holgate (L)
Ademola Lookman
Brendan Galloway (L)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt (L)
Matthew Pennington (L)
Conor Grant (L)
Mateusz Hewelt (L)
Jonjoe Kenny (L)
Beni Baningime (L)
Shani Tarashaj (L)
Tyias Browning (L)
Henry Onyekuru (L)
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Glory on June 01, 2018, 03:46:44 PM
Think we'll struggle with only 13 players available all season peronally.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: gslick on June 01, 2018, 03:51:59 PM
Would buy new players :)
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 01, 2018, 03:53:34 PM
Jordan Pickford
Morgan Schneiderlin (S)
Leighton Baines
Michael Keane (S)
Ashley Williams (S)
Phil Jagielka (S)
Yannick Bolasie (S)
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Wayne Rooney  (S)
Kevin Mirallas (S)
Theo Walcott
Cenk Tosun
Cuco Martina (S)
James McCarthy (S)
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Oumar Niasse
Davy Klaassen
Muhamed Besic
Maarten Stekelenburg
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori
Nikola Vlaöić
Kieran Dowell (L)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin (L)
Mason Holgate
Ademola Lookman
Brendan Galloway (S)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt (S)
Matthew Pennington (S)
Conor Grant (L)
Mateusz Hewelt (L)
Jonjoe Kenny
Beni Baningime
Shani Tarashaj (S)
Tyias Browning (S)
Henry Onyekuru (L)
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: brap2 on June 01, 2018, 04:01:23 PM
Pickford
Other

Coleman Keane Other Baines
Other     Jags    Holgate Other

Gana Other* Other
Beni  Other   Davies

Walcott  Tosun Gylfi^
Other     Other Lookman
             DCL    Bolasie

* Carvalho? Torreira? Keep Schneiderlin? The other CM is most important, potentially this Ozyakup.

^or in the 10 preferably. Still wouldnít mind him as an advanced CM. Would launch Bolasie if a big bid comes in but would be interested to see what silva can get out of him, probably using him as a push and run merchant on the break, which would be great imo.

So minimum 3 first team players plus at least two or three who can be relied on for ~10-20 apps in LB and maybe up top.

Not cheap, but anyone who isnít either a) still OK and completely worthless in revenue like Jags, Baines or b) young enough with a potential upside like Lookman, Davies, Holgate can go at the right price.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on June 01, 2018, 04:11:50 PM
you missed Tom Davies off the list mate,


Jordan Pickford
Morgan Schneiderlin (S)
Leighton Baines
Michael Keane
Ashley Williams (S)
Phil Jagielka
Yannick Bolasie (S)
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Wayne Rooney  (S)
Kevin Mirallas (S)
Theo Walcott
Cenk Tosun
Cuco Martina (S)
James McCarthy
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Oumar Niasse
Davy Klaassen
Muhamed Besic (S)
Maarten Stekelenburg (S)
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori
Nikola Vlaöić
Kieran Dowell (L)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin
Mason Holgate
Ademola Lookman
Brendan Galloway (S)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt (S)
Matthew Pennington (S)
Conor Grant (L)
Mateusz Hewelt (L)
Jonjoe Kenny
Beni Baningime
Shani Tarashaj (S)
Tyias Browning (S)
Henry Onyekuru (L)
Antonee Robinson (L)
Tom Davies

that would leave us with
KEEPERS
Pickford , Joel
DEFENDERS
Coleman Baines Kenny Jagielka Keane Mori Holgate
MIDFIELD
Baningime Sigurdsson McCarthy(Injured) Gueye Klaassen Davies
Vlaöić Lookman
FORWARDS
Calvert-Lewin Tosun Walcott Niasse
SELLING 12 players will not happen but these are the players who have a lot less to offer, and should not feature ,  selling the main 4 Rooney Williams Morgs Bolassie( would sell but cant see happening)
BUY:?? 
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: TheRam on June 01, 2018, 04:15:25 PM
Lads, some of you are getting rid of half the squad here.

Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: blue1948 on June 01, 2018, 04:21:51 PM
This is Everton's first team, I would do the following for us to get into the top 6

S = Sell
L = Loan
The rest I would keep and buy new players

Jordan Pickford
Morgan Schneiderlin (S)
Leighton Baines
Michael Keane
Ashley Williams (S)
Phil Jagielka
Yannick Bolasie
Tom Davies
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Wayne Rooney  (S)
Kevin Mirallas (S)
Theo Walcott
Cenk Tosun
Cuco Martina
James McCarthy (S)
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Oumar Niasse (S)
Davy Klaassen
Muhamed Besic
Maarten Stekelenburg
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori (S)
Nikola Vlaöić (L)
Kieran Dowell (L)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin (L)
Mason Holgate (L)
Ademola Lookman
Brendan Galloway (L)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt (L)
Matthew Pennington (L)
Conor Grant (L)
Mateusz Hewelt (L)
Jonjoe Kenny (L)
Beni Baningime (L)
Shani Tarashaj (L)
Tyias Browning (L)
Henry Onyekuru (L)
I love how you have interpreted the plans for M & M they love to bring youth through and you have binned off most of them .I feel you might not get your wishes .Which by the way will suit me .We have a lot of good lads that have been waiting for the step after Unsie to blossom.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Macca77 on June 01, 2018, 04:24:21 PM
Its all well and good saying sell some players, doesn't mean anyone will buy them
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: ZVictorOne on June 01, 2018, 04:25:35 PM
Joel is leaving isn't he, out of contract?
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Lxxx on June 01, 2018, 04:26:32 PM
It's only when you see it written down in it's entirety you realise how horrendously bloated and average our squad is.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Macca77 on June 01, 2018, 04:29:45 PM
This is Everton's first team, I would do the following for us to get into the top 6

S = Sell
L = Loan
The rest I would keep and buy new players

Jordan Pickford
Morgan Schneiderlin (S)
Leighton Baines
Michael Keane
Ashley Williams (S)
Phil Jagielka
Yannick Bolasie
Tom Davies
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Wayne Rooney  (S)
Kevin Mirallas (S)
Theo Walcott
Cenk Tosun
Cuco Martina
James McCarthy (S)
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Oumar Niasse (S)
Davy Klaassen
Muhamed Besic
Maarten Stekelenburg
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori (S)
Nikola Vlaöić (L)
Kieran Dowell (L)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin (L)
Mason Holgate (L)
Ademola Lookman
Brendan Galloway (L)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt (L)
Matthew Pennington (L)
Conor Grant (L)
Mateusz Hewelt (L)
Jonjoe Kenny (L)
Beni Baningime (L)
Shani Tarashaj (L)
Tyias Browning (L)
Henry Onyekuru (L)

Bizarre this, loan out young talent like Vlasic, Holgate and Kenny and yet you wanna keep shite like Martina, Besic, Robles and even Steklenburg
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 01, 2018, 04:58:11 PM
Bizarre this, loan out young talent like Vlasic, Holgate and Kenny and yet you wanna keep shite like Martina, Besic, Robles and even Steklenburg

Must have been reading Big Sams autobiography....
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 01, 2018, 05:06:08 PM
Get rid of those we know are now consistently average and give a bit of experience to some of our youngsters who will be helped by playing with a bit more pace . Vlasic , DCL , Beni , Dowell and Lookman definitely worth risking in the League Cup and a few of the easier games to have a look as you can loan them out later . Loaning out millions worth of talent while trying to improve doesn't make sense to me . Especially as we might not spend like last season given what a fucking disaster it was . Some silly assumptions being made that we will sign about 15 players .
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Hawkandro on June 01, 2018, 05:18:36 PM
This summer I would definitely be looking - under the guise of trimming the wage - to off-load:

Rooney
Martina
Williams
McCarthy
Besic
Mirallas
Bolasie

RFM maybe, but I think getting rid of both Williams and RFM could be tricky, especially as Jags is now a year older and potentially more injury prone. I'd like to keep Klaassen and Sandro and see how they work under Silva, but there are 2 others to get off the wage bill if neither are fancied.

The kids should have a chance under Brands and Silva now.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: sam of the south on June 01, 2018, 05:24:05 PM
I would imagine an intense and detailed manager like Silva can get a pretty good tune out of a fair few of these players that some of you are willing to loan out.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 01, 2018, 05:34:52 PM
Iíve noticed Garbutt is taking a nice lavish holiday after a long hard season of intense football. Well deserved lad, enjoy.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Waltzer on June 01, 2018, 05:36:27 PM
When you list them out like that it becomes even more apparent how much work is needed. From my perspective I could only see Pickford and Coleman as players that would get in most of the teams above us, or that they would like to have. Gueye, Sig, Walcott are maybes but we are pretty short of quality in the team and overloaded with average players
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Lxxx on June 01, 2018, 05:37:13 PM
Iíve noticed Garbutt is taking a nice lavish holiday after a long hard season of intense football. Well deserved lad, enjoy.

If someone wanted to give me £20k a week on a 5 year contract I'd be accumulating lovely young ladies with which to enjoy it with too.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 01, 2018, 05:48:26 PM
Goalkeepers
Robles is going, we've got more pressing issues than a backup keeper, so unless a decent youngster is available at a low price, we'll be sticking with Pickford and Stek as sub

Defenders
Sell Williams, Martina and Garbutt
Buy a new CB and LB
Assuming we get another CB I can see RFM being sold, we'd still have Jags, Holgate, Keane, new guy, plus Pennington out on loan somewhere with recall clause if we get injuries
RB of Coleman and Kenny is fine

Midfielders
Sell Rooney, Besic and Mirallas
McCarthy is injured and we won't be able to shift him
Buy new CM
Not sure if we'll go for a creative/winger at this stage, if we did you'd imagine Bolasie would be sold

Strikers
A new pacy striker would be nice, send DCL out on loan as he'd be down at 4th choice


So sell Williams, Martina, Garbutt, Besic, Mirallas, Rooney

Get in a new CB, LB, CM, CF
Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 01, 2018, 08:17:52 PM
Defence
Well starting from the back, there's question marks over 3 CBs. Jags (old), Williams (old and has been awful) and Mori (bad injury and prone to a howler anyway).

Can't see us getting shot of all of them. I love Jags so I hope he has another season left in him, but who knows. I'd get rid of Williams as Mori is a bit younger and more athletic. High hopes for Holgate. Keane.. meh, give him a fresh start.


Coleman and Kenny at RB. That'll do.


Keep Baines as back up and to be around the squad, but it's essential that we buy a new first team LB.

Midfield
Our midfield is as messy as the CB area. Who do we keep faith with? Schneiderlin was considered one of the best in the squad before last season. Hopefully Silva can get a better tune out of him this season, but I think a player that can dictate play should be No.1 on our shopping list.

Rooney looks gone. Gueye has amazing qualities but hindered our play a lot last season. Davies is young and I know a lot of Evertonian don't rate him but I do. He's dynamic, good touch, reads the game well and is box to box. Sigurdson will be the main man and I think we should build the team around him next season, instead of shoving him on the left. Kalassen - who knows.

Forwards
Our wingers are hit and miss. Walcott is our best, with Lookman hopefully back in blue and raring to go. Vlasic looks tidy on the ball but yet to show his full potential. And Bolasie... I still remember my disappointment after we signed him.

Tosun knows where the goal is, I'm happy with that. I don't like Niasse in the team, he runs down a lot of blind alleys. Scores a few goals but never seems on the same wavelength as the rest of the team. Would like a pacey last man striker, which i imagine Sandro was meant to be.

So we're looking at something like....

óóóóóPickford

Coleman Keane NewCB NewLB

óóó NewCM Davies
óóóóSigurdson

ó-Walcott Tosun Lookman
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 01, 2018, 08:20:39 PM
I love how you have interpreted the plans for M & M they love to bring youth through and you have binned off most of them .I feel you might not get your wishes .Which by the way will suit me .We have a lot of good lads that have been waiting for the step after Unsie to blossom.

Canít polish a turd. I think most of our young players will struggle on account of not being good enough
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 01, 2018, 08:26:53 PM
Can’t polish a turd. I think most of our young players will struggle on account of not being good enough

I don't think we can make a definitive judgement on any of our young players until we've seen how they do this season. We've had an 18 month shitstorm which hasn't really been great for their development so I'd like to see how they do with a bit of stability under a manager who says he wants to play the right way.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 01, 2018, 11:51:31 PM
I'm very hopeful that Silva will be able to make something of Klaassen.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 02, 2018, 01:33:21 AM
I don't think we can make a definitive judgement on any of our young players until we've seen how they do this season. We've had an 18 month shitstorm which hasn't really been great for their development so I'd like to see how they do with a bit of stability under a manager who says he wants to play the right way.

I agree with that. I just don't think it's as simple as giving them games as some imply. I think only lookman might turn out to have the quality to be a top player. I'd be okay with the rest going on loan and seeing where we stood in 12 months. Though that's probably not realistic in terms of squad numbers
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 03, 2018, 06:30:51 PM
I really dont want any of our young 'stars' to go out on loan, DCL/Dowell/Kenny/Davies/Holgate/Beni will get a better understanding of the game with a proper head of football and a real manager... i'd hate for shit to happen like it has with Galloway and Garbutt.. they fucked up once they went on loan.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 03, 2018, 06:46:18 PM
Can't see dcl, lookman, Davies, beni, kenny, holgate, vlasic all getting the game time they need to make massive strides tbh.
Certainly wouldn't want to see them all in team at once.
Most of them I feel are too average to make any inroads into the top 6.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on June 03, 2018, 06:48:27 PM
Can't see dcl, lookman, Davies, beni, kenny, holgate, vlasic all getting the game time they need to make massive strides tbh.
Certainly wouldn't want to see them all in team at once.
Most of them I feel are too average to make any inroads into the top 6.

Not many youngsters get near the top 6 anyway
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on June 04, 2018, 01:18:15 AM
Wisful thinking;

Out

Williams
Mirallas
Besic
Martina
Rooney
Mori
Bolasie


Out on loan
Klaassen
Kenny
DCL
Dowell

In

Maddison
Nathan Ake
Phillip Max
Torreira
Lozano
Kluivert





Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2018, 01:24:05 AM
I liked the look of Loftus Cheek when I saw him playing for England yesterday. Don't think he had an outstanding game, but could see how he could be effective.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Trowel on June 04, 2018, 04:15:09 AM
Klaassen linked with a loan move to Besiktas.

Do the Turks ever pay for anything? I'm still bitter from the Yobo farce.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 04, 2018, 04:24:56 AM
I liked the look of Loftus Cheek when I saw him playing for England yesterday. Don't think he had an outstanding game, but could see how he could be effective.

Thought he was brilliant in the first game against us last season
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2018, 04:31:13 AM
Thought he was brilliant in the first game against us last season

You've got a great memory. I'm trying to think who he played for against us lol
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 04, 2018, 04:32:57 AM
You've got a great memory. I'm trying to think who he played for against us lol

Was on loan at palace last season. Thought he ran the first game against us. The game where Niasse got his diving ban
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2018, 04:35:29 AM
Was on loan at palace last season. Thought he ran the first game against us. The game where Niasse got his diving ban

That's right. For some reason I was thinking Watford. Only saw bits of that game. To be honest, most games from last season have been a blur.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2018, 05:50:00 AM
I liked the look of Loftus Cheek when I saw him playing for England yesterday. Don't think he had an outstanding game, but could see how he could be effective.

Big fan.

Iím a sucker for a tall attacking midfielder though.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on June 04, 2018, 11:36:40 AM
Big fan.

Iím a sucker for a tall attacking midfielder though.



You must have loved Ballack in his prime then.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 04, 2018, 02:10:17 PM
You must have loved Ballack in his prime then.

Still watches vids of prime yaya walking through teams for fun
Title: 12 players to go
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2018, 02:50:23 PM
Schneiderlin the shithouse wants to leave

Bye then
Title: Re: 12 players to go
Post by: Ramjam on June 06, 2018, 03:08:00 PM
Schneiderlin the shithouse wants to leave

Bye then
Of course he does, thatís because the going is about to get a bit tougher and he doesnít have the stomach for a fight to retain a starting berth on a Saturday, let the fucker go heís been stealing his wages for almost two years now.
Title: 12 players to go
Post by: phillyt on June 06, 2018, 03:15:35 PM
So reports are that brands/silva want to shift around 12 players. Fairly obvious who they are going to be.

Rooney-looks like a done deal but if he stayed and accepted a bit part role  he could be useful. Big wages tho
Robles- ✅
Stek-✅
Martina✅
Williams✅
Mori-wouldnít be offended if he stayed. Again as back up though.
Schneiderlin ✅
McCarthy-been injured and at times had looked ok, at other times shite we have better in the squad do deffo get rid.
Bolasie- recovering from serious injury. Been shocking this season but then so have everyone. Be happier to see him kept on till jan to asses if he will improve.
Niasse- be sorry to see him go but we need better.
Mirralas ✅
Garbutt✅
Sandro- personally like to see him come back and get a run in and he u23. See if he can come on.
Klaasen- see Sandro
Besic-not worked out thru injury. Maybe found his level at boro. Another one who I will be sad to see go but the time is right i think.

I know thatís 14 but I guess we wonít be seeing them all go. You also have the likes of jags/Baines who are getting on and need moving on soon.
Is there anyone else? Someone on the list who shouldnít be there?
Title: Re: 12 players to go
Post by: Hesmenos on June 06, 2018, 03:32:37 PM
I've said before that a major part of Brand's job will be in getting rid of players. It looks like this was explained to both him and Silva before they came as they both talked about looking at what players we already have before we think about going out to buy someone.
It won't be easy to do as not many teams will be clamouring for players who've had a poor season and will be on ridiculous wages. I believe we ended up with a bloated squad because Walsh thought it would be easy to get rid of the old after we brought in the new, only to realise he didn't have a clue how to do it. This is why we have now brought  in a technical director instead of a scout to do the job.
Title: Re: 12 players to go
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 08, 2018, 04:56:27 AM
Schneiderlin the shithouse wants to leave

Bye then

Schneiderlin and Bolasie have been told that they're not needed :D
Newcastle supposed to be in for Yannick.
happy days!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 08, 2018, 11:37:35 AM
Schneiderlin and Bolasie have been told that they're not needed :D
Newcastle supposed to be in for Yannick.
happy days!

Where did ya hear this?

🤞🏻
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 08, 2018, 12:57:44 PM
I really wish people would stop reminding me that McCarthy is still on the payroll.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Nicco on June 08, 2018, 01:08:24 PM
I really wish people would stop reminding me that McCarthy is still on the payroll.
Mr Brands is working on that matter for you.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on June 08, 2018, 01:46:47 PM
Mr Brands is working on that matter for you.

We're not getting rid of him anytime soon, he'll still be about 6-8 months from getting back to fitness.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on June 12, 2018, 06:40:43 AM
Quite clear there's going to be a lot of exits this summer, this is our squad as things stand...

Pickford
Stekelenburg

Baines
Robinson

Keane
Jagielka
Williams
Holgate
Funes Mori
Pennington

Coleman
Martina
Kenny

Bolasie
Lookman

Schneiderlin
Gana
Rooney
McCarthy
Davies
Beningime
Dowell
Klaassen
Sigurdsson
Besic

Vlasic
Mirallas
Walcott

Tosun
Calvert-Lewin
Niasse
Sandro

Sell the reds and that leaves us a squad of 21 players and room for additions. Seems mad to bin 11 players but the way Brands has been talking, it could happen.

Benny, Robinson and Kenny all to go out on loan would give us 18 players.

So we'd need:

1x GK (Don't mind Stek but he's not that arsed about football and is probably on a fair wedge)
1x LB (Tierney?)
1x RB (Some random South American)
1x CB (Daley Blind)
2x CM (Chalobah? Carvalho?)
1x Winger (Lozano)

A Squad of 25.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 12, 2018, 08:21:50 AM
Quite clear there's going to be a lot of exits this summer, this is our squad as things stand...

Pickford
Stekelenburg

Baines
Robinson

Keane
Jagielka
Williams
Holgate
Funes Mori
Pennington

Coleman
Martina
Kenny

Bolasie
Lookman

Schneiderlin
Gana
Rooney
McCarthy
Davies
Beningime
Dowell
Klaassen
Sigurdsson
Besic

Vlasic
Mirallas
Walcott

Tosun
Calvert-Lewin
Niasse
Sandro

Sell the reds and that leaves us a squad of 21 players and room for additions. Seems mad to bin 11 players but the way Brands has been talking, it could happen.

Benny, Robinson and Kenny all to go out on loan would give us 18 players.

So we'd need:

1x GK (Don't mind Stek but he's not that arsed about football and is probably on a fair wedge)
1x LB (Tierney?)
1x RB (Some random South American)
1x CB (Daley Blind)
2x CM (Chalobah? Carvalho?)
1x Winger (Lozano)

A Squad of 25.

Canít see Kenny going on loan, decent backup for Seamus.

Donít see Stek going either, canít see why a better keeper would want to sit on the bench.

Ainít getting rid of McCarthy with his injury. (Heíll also suit Silvaís pressing style)

Iíd be keeping Klaassen personally, think heíll have something to offer a more forward thinking side.

And Iíd only be loaning Robinson/Beni to either promoted sides or top championship sides with guarantees of gameplay.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on June 12, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
Quite clear there's going to be a lot of exits this summer, this is our squad as things stand...

Pickford
Stekelenburg

Baines
Robinson

Keane
Jagielka
Williams
Holgate
Funes Mori
Pennington

Coleman
Martina
Kenny

Bolasie
Lookman

Schneiderlin
Gana
Rooney
McCarthy
Davies
Beningime
Dowell
Klaassen
Sigurdsson
Besic

Vlasic
Mirallas
Walcott

Tosun
Calvert-Lewin
Niasse
Sandro

Sell the reds and that leaves us a squad of 21 players and room for additions. Seems mad to bin 11 players but the way Brands has been talking, it could happen.

Benny, Robinson and Kenny all to go out on loan would give us 18 players.

So we'd need:

1x GK (Don't mind Stek but he's not that arsed about football and is probably on a fair wedge)
1x LB (Tierney?)
1x RB (Some random South American)
1x CB (Daley Blind)
2x CM (Chalobah? Carvalho?)
1x Winger (Lozano)

A Squad of 25.

You've got Connolly, Galloway and Browning on top of that list too.  And Tarashaj.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Tofifee on June 13, 2018, 01:29:51 AM
If we don't buy a new CB, whats our back 4
Do we persist with Jags
Do we trust that Keane and Holgate could work despite their age and give them a go
Does Funes come into it?
Anyone even mentions that other shithouse can do one!

Personally, my back 4 from current squad would be  Coleman Jags Keane Baines
Keane has to improve, HAS to improve but you have to think he can and will and we will all laugh about the time we thought he was sh*te
Mason still too young to be Keanes partner and Keane starts over him every time for me
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 13, 2018, 02:35:41 AM
Iíve a feeling that a lot of our Ďoutsí will be loans with us paying a portion of the wages. Canít see anyone taking Schneiderlin or Williams at the wages theyíre on.

Hopefully Iím proved wrong!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 13, 2018, 02:41:48 AM
Iíve a feeling that a lot of our Ďoutsí will be loans with us paying a portion of the wages. Canít see anyone taking Schneiderlin or Williams at the wages theyíre on.

Hopefully Iím proved wrong!

That would be fairly pointless? We'd free up a bit of the wage bill temporarily, only to be in a worse situation next summer. Can't see us loaning out any of the senior squad members, it's keep or sell
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 13, 2018, 02:59:41 AM
Schneiderlin and Bolasie have been told that they're not needed :D
Newcastle supposed to be in for Yannick.
happy days!

Presumably you know of all others who have been told?
Would be dissapointed for klaasen not to get a bit of game time.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 13, 2018, 03:05:23 AM
That would be fairly pointless? We'd free up a bit of the wage bill temporarily, only to be in a worse situation next summer. Can't see us loaning out any of the senior squad members, it's keep or sell

As I said I hope Iím wrong but I canít see there being a queue for some of our castoffs
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on June 13, 2018, 03:10:12 AM
As I said I hope Iím wrong but I canít see there being a queue for some of our castoffs

Whereís Sunderland when you need them
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on June 13, 2018, 03:16:28 AM
That would be fairly pointless? We'd free up a bit of the wage bill temporarily, only to be in a worse situation next summer. Can't see us loaning out any of the senior squad members, it's keep or sell

Might sell them with a pay off, or if we did loan them weíd save some money this year and collect a potentially decent loan fee.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on June 13, 2018, 03:18:21 AM
You've got Connolly, Galloway and Browning on top of that list too.  And Tarashaj.

Would let Connolly go on loan again and sell the other two. Connolly did very well at Ipswich.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on June 13, 2018, 03:38:46 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1006637624520560640


https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1006632626810163200
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 13, 2018, 04:09:12 PM
Two Ďoutsí for me there
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2018, 04:24:21 PM
Mirallas - arrogant bellend, no loss to us whatsoever, shame, I like him
Galloway - Nowhere near good enough, Championship is his level, again no loss
Title: Players leaving
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2018, 04:46:21 AM
Oh and schneiderlin staying

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/13/everton-manager-marco-silva-keen-givemorgan-schneiderlin-fresh/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Players leaving
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 04:49:47 AM
Thought someone on here stated that he's been told he can go?
Could just be paper talk I guess.
Title: Re: Players leaving
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on June 14, 2018, 04:50:49 AM
Can't get rid of under performers in one window, will take time.
Title: Re: Players leaving
Post by: Brownie on June 14, 2018, 04:55:43 AM
Talk that Klaassen will be used in a deal for Oguzhan Ozyakup

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2018, 05:00:52 AM
Oh and schneiderlin staying

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/13/everton-manager-marco-silva-keen-givemorgan-schneiderlin-fresh/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I'm ok with this
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2018, 05:02:08 AM
Thought someone on here stated that he's been told he can go?
Could just be paper talk I guess.

Bascombe's quite reliable, so it's probably true.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 14, 2018, 05:02:29 AM
Talk that Klaassen will be used in a deal for Oguzhan Ozyakup



Got a link?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on June 14, 2018, 05:03:36 AM
Got a link?

It's on my fb page and I can't get the link to copy. I'll see if I can find one after
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 14, 2018, 05:34:16 AM
Bascombe's quite reliable, so it's probably true.

True staying or true leaving?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2018, 05:40:22 AM
True staying or true leaving?

True staying, judging on the article. He was a French international not long ago. Silva and Brands probably reckon they can get him back to his Saints form, with the right setup and guidance. I know that seems a world away now, but we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on June 14, 2018, 05:40:49 AM
Got a link?

Gash has posted it in the thread about him
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 05:41:55 AM
Well silva did mention him by name when explaining his tactics the other day
Title: Re: Players leaving
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 14, 2018, 06:00:49 AM
Oh and schneiderlin staying

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/13/everton-manager-marco-silva-keen-givemorgan-schneiderlin-fresh/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Really disappointed with this. Watch him down tools again in six months.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on June 14, 2018, 06:06:56 AM
Really disappointed with this. Watch him down tools again in six months.

Why will he do that?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 14, 2018, 06:10:01 AM
Why will he do that?

He seems like the type to down tools if things arenít going his way.

I hoped he was one of the first names on Marcelís list for the cull.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on June 14, 2018, 06:12:28 AM
Some of his performances were unforgivable for me last season.

Lyon away was a joke.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 14, 2018, 07:05:30 AM
Very much a binary player. He's either very good or very poor. No in between.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 02:10:11 PM
Oh and schneiderlin staying

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/13/everton-manager-marco-silva-keen-givemorgan-schneiderlin-fresh/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Very conflicted on this.

On one hand, I agree with @Shogun (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) that some of his performances have been genuinely unforgivable, and that’s without getting to the bottom of the ‘if you’re not up for a scrap go home’ stuff that came about under unsie.

HOWEVER - I do believe that in the right midfield, he has almost all the qualities to be a CL level screening DM. If you put him side by side across his career versus say Carvalho (who I like) you’d probably on a blind test pick Morgan.

It just means the end for Gueye imo, because Morgan will need two ball-hungry energy / passing machines next to him.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2018, 03:55:08 PM
Very conflicted on this.

On one hand, I agree with @Shogun (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) that some of his performances have been genuinely unforgivable, and thatís without getting to the bottom of the Ďif youíre not up for a scrap go homeí stuff that came about under unsie.

HOWEVER - I do believe that in the right midfield, he has almost all the qualities to be a CL level screening DM. If you put him side by side across his career versus say Carvalho (who I like) youíd probably on a blind test pick Morgan.

It just means the end for Gueye imo, because Morgan will need two ball-hungry energy / passing machines next to him.

Good points. Although I feel you need someone in there with a bit of physical presence who can actually put a tackle in and disrupt play. Even on a good day his attempts at being physical are a bit powder puff. Not quite as bad as Klaassan, but not far off.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
Why will he do that?

People far too quick to forgive him IMO. A couple of average performances at the end of the season shouldn't make up for his complete lack of effort before that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on June 14, 2018, 04:47:58 PM
People far too quick to forgive him IMO. A couple of average performances at the end of the season shouldn't make up for his complete lack of effort before that.

Maybe, but fresh start in my eyes.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 04:52:24 PM
Maybe, but fresh start in my eyes.


That's your view, fair enough. If he does stay, I hope he performs well and we get to see the best of him. Every player can have bad games and bad spells but I just think a lack of effort is unforgivable.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Tofifee on June 14, 2018, 04:53:11 PM
Re Mo, its not so much that we forgive him, but we acknowledge that he still COULD be a player for us and we are willing to let another manager have a go at it
He defo COULD still work out so I am willing to give him a chance
Easy forget how good he was when he arrived too
Doesnt mean we have to lose Gana tho..............One of our better players too

I would also be willing to let Sandro have another go

new brush and all that
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on June 14, 2018, 04:57:56 PM
Schneiderlin had about half a dozen good games for us over 18 months and itís not as if weíve played that badly in all that time. Heís definitely one we should be looking to move on if we can find a buyer for a player with a questionable attitude and a heart of a pea, the talent he does have is far outweighed by his character flaws.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 05:04:43 PM
It wouldn't have missed silvas attention how poorly MS played last season. He obviously believes with a new formation and tactics and his own man-management skills, that he can bring out the best.
There's definately a player in there,  it's just motivating him to putting in 100% every game.
(That's been the problem for all the managers so far.)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: formerKHL on June 14, 2018, 05:07:15 PM
I personally think schneiderlin was the product of our poor season overall throughout the whole club...

as fans we wanted to vent our frustration at someone and for me it fell at his feet.....yes he had a few bad games....but who didn't...with that in mind.....

his good games become average..his average games become poor....( in the fans opinion) every little mistake is highlighted as a "lack of effort".....his "lack of passion" is constantly raised...yet he gets booked every game with a couple of sending off's thrown in...?

as a comparison look at davies..i thought he had a very poor season overall.....yet he's forgiven because of his age and he's a local lad..apart from his energy.... for me he didn't develop any further at all....and probably contributed as much as schneiderlin did...

energy with a bad game v "lack of effort" with a bad game.......whats the difference ? because the end result is the same..

just my opinion...
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2018, 05:08:30 PM
Schneiderlin had about half a dozen good games for us over 18 months and it’s not as if we’ve played that badly in all that time. He’s definitely one we should be looking to move on if we can find a buyer for a player with a questionable attitude and a heart of a pea, the talent he does have is far outweighed by his character flaws.

Pretty much sums it up perfectly.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 05:09:13 PM
The alleged incident with mirallas when they played up in training and got sent home is definately a black mark.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 05:26:49 PM
I personally think schneiderlin was the product of our poor season overall throughout the whole club...

as fans we wanted to vent our frustration at someone and for me it fell at his feet.....yes he had a few bad games....but who didn't...with that in mind.....

his good games become average..his average games become poor....( in the fans opinion) every little mistake is highlighted as a "lack of effort".....his "lack of passion" is constantly raised...yet he gets booked every game with a couple of sending off's thrown in...?

as a comparison look at davies..i thought he had a very poor season overall.....yet he's forgiven because of his age and he's a local lad..apart from his energy.... for me he didn't develop any further at all....and probably contributed as much as schneiderlin did...

energy with a bad game v "lack of effort" with a bad game.......whats the difference ? because the end result is the same..

just my opinion...

The sending off in Lyon was a disgrace and because he couldn't be arsed anymore. Massive coward.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ravardo on June 14, 2018, 05:27:45 PM
Shame there isnt a youtube montage of schniederlin either being at fault for goals against us or where he was able to something to stop the goals,, i pad him quite a lot of attention last season  and he didnt even do the most simplest of things like tracking  a one two...if he made as much effort as gana running and tackling he would of probably been one of our best players
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on June 14, 2018, 05:44:17 PM
Really hope im completely wrong tbh.....but his lack of giving any sort of shit over a good half a dozen goals last season screams a shithouse who has give up completely ...

He gets carded and sent off because his tackling is so poor .

As for him over Gana(out best spoiler and tackles easily) ..ffs it shouldn't even be mentioned as a posibility.

Think Brands is wrong in this,  someone should show him strolling back to his own area countless times last year .

My only saving thought is Brands is being clever ....no no we don't wanna sell him ...bumping his price up. (Wishful thinking? ).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on June 14, 2018, 05:50:26 PM
Shame there isnt a youtube montage of schniederlin either being at fault for goals against us or where he was able to something to stop the goals,, i pad him quite a lot of attention last season  and he didnt even do the most simplest of things like tracking  a one two...if he made as much effort as gana running and tackling he would of probably been one of our best players

Or, alternatively if Gana didnt spend all game chasing the ball over the pitch like a 6 year old and leaving the midfield massively exposed he would have been one of our better players, instead of being massively exposed all the time?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 06:00:31 PM
Good points. Although I feel you need someone in there with a bit of physical presence who can actually put a tackle in and disrupt play. Even on a good day his attempts at being physical are a bit powder puff. Not quite as bad as Klaassan, but not far off.

Had a monstrous defensive output at saints.

At his best for us defensive numbers were something closer to Matic at Chelsea than klaassen.

No worries at all about his tackles / interceptions, but his head is powder puff for me. Heís a jogger. When he gets beat heís beat for good.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 06:01:56 PM
Problem is, I love Gana but he cannot play that holding role on his own.

The only role he can play is pressing like a mad man in a 3, and we might not be able to accommodate that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2018, 06:07:20 PM
Problem is, I love Gana but he cannot play that holding role on his own.

The only role he can play is pressing like a mad man in a 3, and we might not be able to accommodate that.

Be sound if we put a creative player next to him infront of morgan.

I'm more worried about how Sig fits in this 4-3-3.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 14, 2018, 06:09:21 PM
People are thinking usual "Everton" style. I can see both Gana and Schneiderlin starting together in front of a traditional back 4, as Silva prefers a 4-2-3-1 version of a 4-3-3. Our Full backs would be more attack minded and our def mids will be closer to the defence, laying it off to a creative mid (no10) or killer ball wide, or over the top, when we quickly spread wide in a 4-1-4-1 on the counter. We have to stop thinking Fat Sam or Koeman, and think "modern". Something like this, with a couple of additions, with the vital one being a proper 10...

Pickford


Keane ............ Jags

Coleman ............................. ................. Baines

Gana ........ Schneiderlin

Sig (Maddison)*
Walcott ........................... Lookman (Lozano)*

Tosun

I'd like to see another young playmaker, ideally a 25 year old Paul Scholes (Maddison?) type player, and proper out and out left winger, that can play right or through the middle.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 06:09:27 PM
Be sound if we put a creative player next to him infront of morgan.

I'm more worried about how Sig fits in this 4-3-3.

Yeah I am myself. Gana / Davies / Gylfi - someone, maybe all three, is in for a tough year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2018, 06:10:35 PM
Thing is, we cant get rid of everyone who underperformed.

There's going to be some players who Silva wants to work with and think's he can get the best out of.

A fresh start under a new manager could bring out the best in him. I've got my doubts like, but I'm fine with the decision to keep him and see what he can offer in what should hopefully be a much more coherent team.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2018, 06:12:18 PM
Yeah I am myself. Gana / Davies / Gylfi - someone, maybe all three, is in for a tough year.

The obvious is to go 4-2-3-1 but then managers seem to use this to just accommodate players.

I.E the awful three attacking players of klassen, sig and rooney vs spurs, also Davies shifted out to the right in other games
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
The obvious is to go 4-2-3-1 but then managers seem to use this to just accommodate players.

I.E the awful three attacking players of klassen, sig and rooney vs spurs, also Davies shifted out to the right in other games

Gylfi can surely play in a 3 - heís even played DM for Iceland and excelled as a regista style playmaker.

Just baffling we didnít see it last year, if we had it may have made me a bit more comfortable
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on June 14, 2018, 06:25:26 PM
Gylfi can surely play in a 3 - heís even played DM for Iceland and excelled as a regista style playmaker.

Just baffling we didnít see it last year, if we had it may have made me a bit more comfortable

Exactly, his work rate, size and footballing intelligence shows why he would do well in a midfield 3 and has done it before. I keep saying it but I would love to see him in a 3 with Gana and a new box to box machine, with Lookman, Walcott and hopefully Lozano up top.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2018, 06:40:11 PM
Had a monstrous defensive output at saints.

At his best for us defensive numbers were something closer to Matic at Chelsea than klaassen.

No worries at all about his tackles / interceptions, but his head is powder puff for me. He’s a jogger. When he gets beat he’s beat for good.

This is the argument always held up for him though. His time at Southampton was years ago now and at a totally different stage of his career. He should be hitting his peak now but it seems like his peak was his final year at Southampton when mentally he was on it, searching for his big move.

His head isn't in it anymore and we need players who are strong enough to drive us forward. I've not seen a sustained run of good form from him since 2015, which tells a story.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on June 14, 2018, 07:00:36 PM
Think we'll see the best of Sig this year, we were trying to fit square pegs in round holes last year. With Rooney going I think we'll see Sig on the left of the front 3, with Lookman coming on later on in games. We definitely need a more creative CM, I know he has his injury concerns but I wouldnt mind seeing us go and get Wilshere.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 14, 2018, 07:22:04 PM
Sorry what??

4-2-3-1??

With Gana and Schneids as the 2??

I know I've tried to forget most of last season but isn't this exactly what we did? And it was a shambles, the opposition just walked through us time and again
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on June 14, 2018, 07:29:57 PM
Sorry what??

4-2-3-1??

With Gana and Schneids as the 2??

I know I've tried to forget most of last season but isn't this exactly what we did? And it was a shambles, the opposition just walked through us time and again

That midfield pairing is death.

There are so many things I would do to never see it again.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 08:39:02 PM
Starting to flap about the lack of movement tbh
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2018, 08:43:51 PM
Starting to flap about the lack of movement tbh
Why mate? No one is moving around the world, its not just us
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 08:46:54 PM
Starting to flap about the lack of movement tbh

Think we'll start seeing stuff happen early July. Wouldn't worry too much just yet.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 08:52:45 PM
Why mate? No one is moving around the world, its not just us

I know I know I just FEEEL like others are closer.

Iím a flap merchant, I know.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on June 14, 2018, 08:58:16 PM
It would make sense for Silva to want a week or two of training with the squad before he and Brands make any big transfer decisions.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: formerKHL on June 14, 2018, 09:00:21 PM
they'll be going through the player files/stats as we speak.....

mark my words
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on June 14, 2018, 09:00:43 PM
It would make sense for Silva to want a week or two of training with the squad before he and Brands make any big transfer decisions.

They aren't blind I think all of us know of at least 6 players that just aren't up to it and positions that need urgent attention asap
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 14, 2018, 09:22:44 PM
All the talk of everyone wanting to get their business done before the World Cup, and hardly anyone has done anything. It's not just us
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 09:40:50 PM
The problem is clubs will want you to pay a huge premium just to do a deal before the World Cup. In case, one, a player has a great tournament and/or two, it allows you to get that player settled that little bit earlier.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Tofifee on June 14, 2018, 09:46:12 PM
There will be nothing done pre or during the WC so relax!!
We need to sell to buy, our saleable assets that we will maybe be happy to sell are Yannick, and I cant see us getting more than 18m for him, Williams maybe 3m, Klassen maybe 10m for him, Sandro maybe 10m for him from a Spanish club. That would bring in aroud 45m maybe.
Cant see us pulling up trees this summer in the market with that money.
Christ Steve Walsh did an TERRIBLE job!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2018, 09:49:37 PM
All our time will be taken trying to shift quite a few out the door at present. Brands has been quite explicit on the current situation.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 09:50:14 PM
There will be nothing done pre or during the WC so relax!!
We need to sell to buy, our saleable assets that we will maybe be happy to sell are Yannick, and I cant see us getting more than 18m for him, Williams maybe 3m, Klassen maybe 10m for him, Sandro maybe 10m for him from a Spanish club. That would bring in aroud 45m maybe.
Cant see us pulling up trees this summer in the market with that money.
Christ Steve Walsh did an TERRIBLE job!

I really don't think we need to sell to buy in terms of transfer funds. More a case of we can't just keep spending silly money and silly wages, so let's reduce the wage bill before we go and spend any more money.

 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 14, 2018, 09:50:56 PM
There will be nothing done pre or during the WC so relax!!
We need to sell to buy, our saleable assets that we will maybe be happy to sell are Yannick, and I cant see us getting more than 18m for him, Williams maybe 3m, Klassen maybe 10m for him, Sandro maybe 10m for him from a Spanish club. That would bring in aroud 45m maybe.
Cant see us pulling up trees this summer in the market with that money.
Christ Steve Walsh did an TERRIBLE job!

 :headbang: we don't need to sell to buy, and we don't have just the money from sales to spend

We need to reduce the squad size drastically, and it would be continued stupid business sense to keep buying before we've actually rid ourselves of some of the shit in the squad
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Tofifee on June 14, 2018, 10:02:05 PM
Right, so when Marcel said "we need to sell to buy".......he didnt mean it?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on June 14, 2018, 10:07:08 PM
Jesus
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on June 14, 2018, 10:07:20 PM
Right, so when Marcel said "we need to sell to buy".......he didnt mean it?

Not in the way we did a few years ago. He means that we have far too big a squad so need to clear out some hangers on and reduce the wage bill before we can bring new players in.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 10:10:42 PM
Pretty sure Brands wouldn't have come here just as a guy to sell players and maybe pick up a few with the sales money.
Just how much moshiri is willing to pump in on top? Guess we will see.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on June 14, 2018, 10:34:05 PM
He came here to work on a long-term project.

Short-term, given the crowded mess of a squad we have, that means mostly selling with a few carefully considered purchases.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 11:35:40 PM
Made up weíre selling a few of these absolute turkeys we call players
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on June 15, 2018, 12:13:54 AM
Right, so when Marcel said "we need to sell to buy".......he didnt mean it?

He didn't say we need to sell to buy, he said the squad is to big and needs trimming first which is the right thing to do
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on June 15, 2018, 12:25:55 AM
Iím not expecting a big net spend this summer regardless of how Brands worded it or how itís been interpreted.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on June 15, 2018, 04:29:01 AM
4-2-3-1 isn't a version of 4-3-3, its a completely different way of setting up.

I'm sick of having to play 2 defensive midfielders because we don't have 1 who can do everything required.  We had to play McCarthy and then Gana because Barry couldn't run.  We had to play Barry because the other 2 can't pass forwards.  Then we replaced Barry with Schneiderlin, but he never really fit in because with someone who could run along side him there seemed to be some crazy idea that Gana could be utilised further forward, even though he can't pass and offers nothing offensively, and it meant he wasn't there defensively.  Schneiderlin was left exposed by Gana's forays, and just didn't seem to fancy anything but strolling around fouling people.

It seems mental to think given how well he started, but Gana in the starting XI means we're weakening somewhere else to cover his limitations.  At this point I want to apologise to whoever it was who 18 months ago called it that we'd need to replace him if we wanted to crack the top 4.  If he has a good World Cup then i'd genuinely be okay with him moving on and us looking to invest in a more rounded midfielder(Not in the Tom Huddlestone way).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 15, 2018, 04:52:18 AM
I think silva suggested that if the central defensive midfielder is good enough it allows the other two to push up so therefore 4-1-2-3.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 15, 2018, 04:53:02 AM
And when he said that he named Morgan as that player
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dazfrancis on June 15, 2018, 03:10:48 PM
Gana and Schneiderlin both play better in the DM role when they are on their own. We just need to get the balance right because having 2 out and out attacking CM's we would be too open defensively.

It's one of the reasons Gana, Rooney and Davies was our best CM combination last year. Although Davies was in shite form the overall balance of the team was better because his energy allowed him to get forward and contribute to the attack without compromising our defense.

That's why I wouldn't be too surprised if next season our midfield 3 was something

        Gana / Schneiderlin

   Davies              Gylfi
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on June 15, 2018, 03:28:57 PM
Iím not expecting a big net spend this summer regardless of how Brands worded it or how itís been interpreted.

We didnt have a big net spend last season either tbh, wasnt it only about 50 or 60 mill?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on June 15, 2018, 05:49:06 PM
We didnt have a big net spend last season either tbh, wasnt it only about 50 or 60 mill?

True or the season before so Iím not sure why people believe itís going to be different all of a sudden simply because weíve changed managerial positions, especially at a time were weíre knocking on doors looking for massive loans for a major development.

Weíve heard from Moshiri in the past about how the club needs to be self generating and Brands has said almost the exact thing himself last week. Doesnít mean we wonít spend on whats we needed this summer though given the number of players theyíre hopeful of getting shut of.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 15, 2018, 07:01:01 PM
Wouldn't it be lovely if we had a midfielder who could actually tackle, run and pass the ball forwards as well. Instead of this obsession with only being able to do one part or the other and thinking that's your only remit.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: formerKHL on June 15, 2018, 07:08:30 PM
Wouldn't it be lovely if we had a midfielder who could actually tackle, run and pass the ball forwards as well. Instead of this obsession with only being able to do one part or the other and thinking that's your only remit.

i'd love a fabrigas/mata type midfielder.....oh the joy to see a slide rule pass played into the channel for our forward who just strokes it home deftly.....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 21, 2018, 10:12:13 PM
Word going round that Silva really likes dowell and has told him heís a big part of his plans.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 21, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
Word going round that Silva really likes dowell and has told him heís a big part of his plans.

Be made up if true, i like him a lot.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on June 21, 2018, 10:51:04 PM
Word going round that Silva really likes dowell and has told him he’s a big part of his plans.
that would explain not bidding for maddison then, the two had similar stats last season I think
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 22, 2018, 01:47:48 AM
Word going round that Silva really likes dowell and has told him heís a big part of his plans.

Reckon he uses him and Sigurdsson alternating in a cm playmaker role like de bruyne last year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on June 22, 2018, 01:59:42 AM
I'm really surprised if this is true but it's a massive change if it's true and I'm all for that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on June 25, 2018, 06:18:20 AM
Nothing new (or reliable) here but there's not been much last two days

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/711871/Everton-transfer-news-Marco-Silva-Wayne-Rooney-Morgan-Schneiderlin-Yannick-Bolasie-latest?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-star-football+%28Daily+Star+%3A%3A+Football+Feed%29
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 25, 2018, 06:48:36 AM
Nothing new (or reliable) here but there's not been much last two days

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/711871/Everton-transfer-news-Marco-Silva-Wayne-Rooney-Morgan-Schneiderlin-Yannick-Bolasie-latest?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-star-football+%28Daily+Star+%3A%3A+Football+Feed%29

I hope those outgoing transfers come off, although I think it'll be tough to shift Williams if he still is injured.

Rooney, Schneiderlin, Williams, Bolasie along with Mori has be a fair chunk off the wage bill.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 25, 2018, 01:14:53 PM
I'm expecting West Ham to be busy in our sale.. Can see two of those going there, but anywhere would do.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on June 25, 2018, 01:35:59 PM
I'd still like to keep Morgan
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: mikey_blue on June 25, 2018, 02:51:37 PM
Word going round that Silva really likes dowell and has told him he's a big part of his plans.

If the players around him can graft and give him the protection he needs to express himself offensively then we might have a player on our hands.
 
                      Pickford
 Coleman Holgate Keane Baines                         
                         Gana                                 
                                   Sig
                Dowell

      Walcott    Tosun   Lookman

Could be interesting.

Still need a proper complete CB and a passing CM.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on June 25, 2018, 03:19:06 PM
I hope those outgoing transfers come off, although I think it'll be tough to shift Williams if he still is injured.

Rooney, Schneiderlin, Williams, Bolasie along with Mori has be a fair chunk off the wage bill.

I hope they do too, however, with Robles, Funes Mori, Rooney, Schneiderlin, Williams and Bolasie potentially going thats a lot of senior players either within the first team or around the first team squad that need replacing/improving on which isnt going to be easy. Also, history will tell you overhauls of the first team squad to this extent rarely work out that well, when you break it down its 105 appearances between them last season so its not like they weren't utilised.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 25, 2018, 03:50:23 PM
I hope they do too, however, with Robles, Funes Mori, Rooney, Schneiderlin, Williams and Bolasie potentially going thats a lot of senior players either within the first team or around the first team squad that need replacing/improving on which isnt going to be easy. Also, history will tell you overhauls of the first team squad to this extent rarely work out that well, when you break it down its 105 appearances between them last season so its not like they weren't utilised.

You donít have to replace everyone that goes out

Robles and Mori are two people who havenít contributed anything of note for a good while whilst picking up a decent wage. Theyíre just ones go get off the wage bill.

Williams is another who could go without having to get a replacement as youíd like to think we were signing a CB regardless of him staying or going.

Rooney as well as weíre well stocked in the centre midfield area.

You can also add Sandro and klassen to this list.

Some players just need to go and get off the wage bill.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 25, 2018, 03:56:44 PM
Wouldn't surprise me to see Sandro come back this season under Silva. Maybe a change of emphasis in how we play, a latin coach and no-one big enough interested to pay him what we do might mean we try and utilise him instead of paying big money on a replacement, which it doesn't look as if we've got. I've no idea whether there is a player in there or not but he's ours so we may as well try.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2018, 04:03:52 PM
You donít have to replace everyone that goes out

Robles and Mori are two people who havenít contributed anything of note for a good while whilst picking up a decent wage. Theyíre just ones go get off the wage bill.

Williams is another who could go without having to get a replacement as youíd like to think we were signing a CB regardless of him staying or going.

Rooney as well as weíre well stocked in the centre midfield area.

You can also add Sandro and klassen to this list.

Some players just need to go and get off the wage bill.

We are absolutely desperate for a CM, we might have bodies but we donít have quality.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 25, 2018, 04:19:46 PM
We are absolutely desperate for a CM, we might have bodies but we donít have quality.

Yeah, thatís what Iím saying though.

Youíd like to think a CM was coming in regardless of Rooney being here or not.

Heís just somebody we need off the wage bill.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on June 25, 2018, 04:59:44 PM
Yeah, thatís what Iím saying though.

Youíd like to think a CM was coming in regardless of Rooney being here or not.

Heís just somebody we need off the wage bill.



Is he really someone thats beyond what we can afford and need off the wage bill? He is our leading goalscorer, had the most shots and is our only world wide recognisable player, yes he is on the decline but hes only on 30-40k a week more than Schneiderlin, Walcott, Sandro and on the same as Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2018, 05:05:05 PM
Yeah, thatís what Iím saying though.

Youíd like to think a CM was coming in regardless of Rooney being here or not.

Heís just somebody we need off the wage bill.



Got you 👍
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on June 30, 2018, 03:24:32 AM
So looks like Big Morgan is deffo off. I'm gutted this hasn't work out tbh

https://mobile.twitter.com/OM_Fadaaaaaaaa/status/1012301928066441217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1012301928066441217&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%231012301928066441217
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Robber Rodwell on June 30, 2018, 03:30:58 AM
Great news, Morgan was a mercenary with no heart.  Will be delighted if Williams, Bolassie and McCarthy follow him out the door.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on June 30, 2018, 03:34:29 AM
So looks like Big Morgan is deffo off. I'm gutted this hasn't work out tbh

https://mobile.twitter.com/OM_Fadaaaaaaaa/status/1012301928066441217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1012301928066441217&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%231012301928066441217

Was such a hot prospect given his premier league history ....but never seen a player give up and roll over like him since Jo sat on his arse against city never to pull on the shirt again .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on June 30, 2018, 03:45:00 AM
Was such a hot prospect given his premier league history ....but never seen a player give up and roll over like him since Jo sat on his arse against city never to pull on the shirt again .

Yup.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 30, 2018, 04:06:23 AM
So looks like Big Morgan is deffo off. I'm gutted this hasn't work out tbh

https://mobile.twitter.com/OM_Fadaaaaaaaa/status/1012301928066441217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1012301928066441217&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%231012301928066441217

Me too. Very strange how he went bad.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on June 30, 2018, 05:13:22 AM
Yup.

Probably go and smash it in league 1 now too .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Robber Rodwell on July 02, 2018, 04:11:40 AM
I am really encouraged that Siva and Brands are appearing to be financially sound by concentrating on cutting the squad size and the wage bill.  It really highlights what a shambles was going on with Koeman and Walsh.  Both of those gentlemen did a lot of damage in a short space of time, and could have bankrupted us.  What was the club thinking??
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on July 02, 2018, 04:36:00 AM
https://twitter.com/SchneiderlinMo4/status/1013484719936294912
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on July 02, 2018, 04:55:11 AM
I know its hot like, but put some shorts on Morgan lad.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 02, 2018, 10:46:35 AM
I know its hot like, but put some shorts on Morgan lad.

No, donít!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cozzie on July 02, 2018, 01:04:47 PM
I know its hot like, but put some shorts on Morgan lad.

Right at the end there when he is doing squats it looks like he has genuine cameltoe.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 02, 2018, 08:08:53 PM
Garbutts gone to Oxford on loan.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on July 02, 2018, 08:09:35 PM
Garbutts gone to Oxford on loan.

Beat me to it
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 02, 2018, 08:12:09 PM
Let's see how his £100k car and boyband haircut go down with a load of grafters in League One.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on July 02, 2018, 08:16:39 PM
Let's see how his £100k car and boyband haircut go down with a load of grafters in League One.

They'll shit in his car and put certain bodily fluids in his hair gel tube
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on July 02, 2018, 08:26:10 PM
https://twitter.com/SchneiderlinMo4/status/1013484719936294912

So sounds like Big Morg is happy to stay?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on July 02, 2018, 11:21:14 PM
So sounds like Big Morg is happy to stay?
Think Silva wants him to, if schneiderlin is motivated enough he's a good player. Shite attitude on him though.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cozzie on July 03, 2018, 12:02:43 AM
Hopefully Silva can get his attitude straightened out.

If he ditches the attitude and focuses he is a very very good player, just needs to get his head right.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 12:47:57 AM
We desperately need a box to box midfielder. Someone who can do a bit of everything in Central Midfield. Tom Davies is not and never will be a top 6 player.

After that we need a left back and a seriously quality centre half.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on July 03, 2018, 06:11:10 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-defender-mason-holgate-not-14858732
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2018, 02:02:37 PM
Another one off the wage bill, although I don't he was on that much anyway

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1019833364117942273
Title: Re: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 19, 2018, 02:03:59 PM
Another one off the wage bill, although I don't he was on that much anyway

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1019833364117942273

Reckon about £1m a year?
Title: Re: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 19, 2018, 02:17:57 PM
Reckon about £1m a year?
Wouldnt be surprised if it was a bit higher. When we signed him he was wanted by a few clubs like. Including Juventus. Sad how it never panned out for him.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Nicco on July 19, 2018, 04:21:47 PM
Another one off the wage bill, although I don't he was on that much anyway

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1019833364117942273
Everton says on OS that it is another loan.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: DanDan on July 19, 2018, 05:13:25 PM
I have counted 34 players here. So quite a fair few will either have to find themselves a club either permanently or on loan as they wont be playing for us

Jordan Pickford    GK
Maarten Stekelenburg    GK
Mateusz Hewelt    GK
   
Leighton Baines    DF
Michael Keane    DF
Ashley Williams    DF
Phil Jagielka    DF
Cuco Martina    DF
Seamus Coleman    DF
Mason Holgate    DF
Brendan Galloway    DF
Matthew Pennington    DF
Jonjoe Kenny    DF
Tyias Browning    DF
Antonee Robinson    DF
Callum Connolly   DF
   
Morgan Schneiderlin    MF
James McCarthy    MF
Idrissa Gueye    MF
Gylfi Sigurdsson    MF
Davy Klaassen    MF
Muhamed Besic    MF
Tom Davies    MF
Kieran Dowell    MF
Beni Baningime    MF
   
Yannick Bolasie    FW
Sandro Ramirez    FW
Theo Walcott    FW
Kevin Mirallas    FW
Cenk Tosun    FW
Oumar Niasse    FW
Nikola Vlaöić    FW
Dominic Calvert-Lewin    FW
Ademola Lookman    FW
   
On Loan   
Luke Garbutt*    DF
Henry Onyekuru*    FW
Shani Tarashaj*    FW
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on July 19, 2018, 09:14:59 PM
Newcastle looking at loaning vlasic according to the mail
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 19, 2018, 10:08:55 PM
noo..
i think he can do the Schneiderlin role but better.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on July 19, 2018, 10:32:45 PM
noo..
i think he can do the Schneiderlin role but better.

Vlasic?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 19, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
Vlasic?

yes,  centre of the park, he probably needs to bulk up abit, but with Gueye next to him and maybe another decent box to box mid.. yes!

he's wasted on the wing, he used to play central for Split.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: mikey_blue on July 19, 2018, 10:45:14 PM
yes,  centre of the park, he probably needs to bulk up abit, but with Gueye next to him and maybe another decent box to box mid.. yes!

he's wasted on the wing, he used to play central for Split.

Pretty sure most Croatian players just turn into boss CMís anyway.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2018, 12:13:22 AM
Honestly this website sometimes.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on July 20, 2018, 12:40:21 AM
Honestly this website sometimes.

Mad one that init.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blueski on July 20, 2018, 12:45:05 AM
same place I read Vlasic was the next Eden Hazard because there's some kind of vague resemblance to each other
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on July 20, 2018, 12:48:31 AM
Vlasic was good as the 10 on a couple of occasions last season
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 20, 2018, 01:06:05 AM
Seriously, what the fuck do we do with Klassen?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 20, 2018, 01:07:53 AM
If the 100k wages is to be believed, Klassen still has a contract worth approx £20m with us.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2018, 01:13:22 AM
If the 100k wages is to be believed, Klassen still has a contract worth approx £20m with us.


 :shock:

Facking hell, stealing a living, is Davy.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2018, 01:14:37 AM
If the 100k wages is to be believed, Klassen still has a contract worth approx £20m with us.

Fucking ridiculous that is
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on July 20, 2018, 01:25:09 AM
Seriously, what the fuck do we do with Klassen?

Throw him in the bin
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 20, 2018, 01:25:16 AM
Honestly this website sometimes.

 i agree, people ignoring he kicked ass for split as a CM.

this website indeed.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on July 20, 2018, 01:28:48 AM
did he turn down a loan to Napoli in jan?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blueski on July 20, 2018, 01:58:24 AM
did he turn down a loan to Napoli in jan?
yes
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on July 20, 2018, 02:06:26 AM
yes

Think it was a no because he has played in the Europa League or something.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blueski on July 20, 2018, 02:10:37 AM
Think it was a no because he has played in the Europa League or something.
no it was some bizarre dispute over image rights

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/02/davy-klaassen-everton-football-money-allardyce
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on July 20, 2018, 02:29:36 AM
no it was some bizarre dispute over image rights

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/02/davy-klaassen-everton-football-money-allardyce

we're listening to the word of Allardyce now
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blueski on July 20, 2018, 02:32:58 AM
we're listening to the word of Allardyce now
like him don't like him this is what was being said on multiple sources at the time. who knows really though?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 20, 2018, 03:09:22 AM
Well decision has been made on Niasse:

Quote from: Silva
Of course, Oumar Niasse is in our plans.

I understand the question as well, we need to understand his football.

He is a player who can give different things than the other players we have in this position.
He is different than all the others when you look at Cenk and at the other boy Dominic Calvert-Lewin Ė Oumar Niasse is completely different and in some moments, like this evening in the second-half, or when he starts games, he will give different things to the others.

It is a matter of my decision, in the right moments of the game.Ē
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on July 20, 2018, 06:43:00 AM
Happy to hear that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Nicco on July 20, 2018, 04:33:15 PM
Well decision has been made on Niasse:
In conclusion;

He is shite but somehow it works so we keep him.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on July 22, 2018, 07:11:18 AM
Anyone changed their minds on players during pre-season yet?

Think Besic will be staying now.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on July 22, 2018, 07:21:06 AM
Anyone changed their minds on players during pre-season yet?

Think Besic will be staying now.

I'll always beat his drum, rough diamond I think I've called him in the past and that's all he is at the moment but he's got a great attitude and technically isn't a bad player. He goes walk about though and his positional discipline is poor so that needs sorted and he's getting to the age it needs sorted soon or it'll never change, his fitness is an issue too. But for all we paid for him and he's probably not on huge wages he's worth keeping and I think Silva likes him as well.

I'm in the Klaassen needs to go camp though, I've rooted for him for a while but it's just not happening. Strange thing is, even when he looks shite there's something about him that makes you know he can play a bit, it's just not happened for us.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 22, 2018, 07:22:42 AM
Anyone changed their minds on players during pre-season yet?

Think Besic will be staying now.

Think Besic, Williams and Mirallas will all stay.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on July 22, 2018, 07:41:01 AM
I'll always beat his drum, rough diamond I think I've called him in the past and that's all he is at the moment but he's got a great attitude and technically isn't a bad player. He goes walk about though and his positional discipline is poor so that needs sorted and he's getting to the age it needs sorted soon or it'll never change, his fitness is an issue too. But for all we paid for him and he's probably not on huge wages he's worth keeping and I think Silva likes him as well.

I'm a fan as well.

Only real problem with him for me is his injury record but he's had five solid months at Middlesbrough so if he can can be more available (for selection) then he's a capable squad player.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on July 22, 2018, 07:41:22 AM
Think Besic, Williams and Mirallas will all stay.

Think I'll die if Williams stays put.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on July 22, 2018, 07:55:46 AM
At least Williams is in his final year. If he does stay heís probably leave on a free in Jan.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on July 22, 2018, 08:29:52 AM
I don't think we'll see many others leave maybe some loans and Galloway etc moving permanently. Besics main issue has always been fitness anf injuries more than ability so if he can stay fit he's an option.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cassius on July 22, 2018, 03:07:45 PM
At least Williams is in his final year. If he does stay heís probably leave on a free in Jan.

I think he'd be available on a free to a good home now. Trouble is he doesn't want to leave because he's earning a wedge and no one wants him because he's useless.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: plumber on July 22, 2018, 03:57:18 PM
Not arsed about Besic, would love to get rid of Williams, Klaassen, Sandro and Bolasie. But I won't blame the club if they stay or get loaned on ridiculous terms.
Considering their quality and wages it's almost impossible to make a good business.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: eugene on July 22, 2018, 04:02:22 PM
we're listening to the word of Allardyce now
Canít believe allardyce said klas was putting money before football ffs pot kettle black
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 22, 2018, 04:16:29 PM
Besic would be suited to a 3 in midfield so he may well be in Silvaís plans. Heís got talent, we just havenít been able to see if he can be consistent because of his injuries.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 22, 2018, 06:24:17 PM
Heís been really good to be fair, but I think as usual when he gets a chance in a competitive game heíll be exposed by better opposition, higher pressure and less time on the ball, leading to brainless decisions on his part as he tries harder and harder to play his normal game.

I like him but itís time to shit or get off the bog I think.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on July 23, 2018, 03:15:16 AM
Please cut our losses on Keane, give him back to Burnley.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 23, 2018, 03:39:21 AM
Please cut our losses on Keane, give him back to Burnley.

I’m spoiled a bit by watching one of the prems most consistent defenders ever in Jags, but - Micheal Keane is fucking pony.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 23, 2018, 03:43:15 AM
Iím spoiled a bit by watching one of the prems most consistent defenders ever in Jags, but - Micheal Keane is fucking pony.

Heís a horrible signing. We paid top money for a player that doesnít really look a top flight player. Heís an accident waiting to happen
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 23, 2018, 03:46:57 AM
Heís a horrible signing. We paid top money for a player that doesnít really look a top flight player. Heís an accident waiting to happen

Sean Dyche really needs a salesman of the year award
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 23, 2018, 04:09:01 AM
Sean Dyche really needs a salesman of the year award

Last year of his contract. We must have thought he was a 50m defender. Someone wants sectioning
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on July 23, 2018, 04:57:17 AM
Last year of his contract. We must have thought he was a 50m defender. Someone wants sectioning
He already has been
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on July 23, 2018, 06:48:07 AM
If we add Richarlison, Mina, and Digne, and keep Lookman, we would look decent with Silvaís front-foot, energetic style.

With that in mind, these would be my line-ups/squad: (yep, I would start Besic, and dispite my slandering of him, I feel Schneiderlin could keep everything ticking over nicely once the whole squad is up to speed and on the same page, plus I think Silva really likes him; I also think he prefers Keane, but I would prefer Jagielka as first choice provided we get Mina in there)


                             Pickford
             Coleman Mina Jagielka Digne
             Besic Schneiderlin Sigurdsson
                Walcott Tosun Richarlison


                          Stekelenburg
              Kenny Keane Holgate Baines
                    Davies Gana Vlasic
                  Sandro Niasse Lookman

Robinson, Baningime, Dowell, Calvert-Lewin



GK Pickford, Stekelenburg
RB Coleman, Kenny
LB Digne, Baines, Robinson
CB Mina, Jagielka, Keane, Holgate
DM Schneiderlin, Gana, Baningime
M/CM/ACM Besic, Sigurdsson, Davies, Vlasic, Dowell
FW/W/ST Walcott, Tosun, Richarlison, Sandro, Niasse, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 23, 2018, 07:01:24 AM
If we add Richarlison, Mina, and Digne, and keep Lookman, we would look decent with Silvaís front-foot, energetic style.

With that in mind, these would be my line-ups/squad: (yep, I would start Besic, and dispite my slandering of him, I feel Schneiderlin could keep everything ticking over nicely once the whole squad is up to speed and on the same page, plus I think Silva really likes him; I also think he prefers Keane, but I would prefer Jagielka as first choice provided we get Mina in there)


                             Pickford
             Coleman Mina Jagielka Digne
             Besic Schneiderlin Sigurdsson
                Walcott Tosun Richarlison


                          Stekelenburg
              Kenny Keane Holgate Baines
                    Davies Gana Vlasic
                  Sandro Niasse Lookman

Robinson, Baningime, Dowell, Calvert-Lewin



GK Pickford, Stekelenburg
RB Coleman, Kenny
LB Digne, Baines, Robinson
CB Mina, Jagielka, Keane, Holgate
DM Schneiderlin, Gana, Baningime
M/CM/ACM Besic, Sigurdsson, Davies, Vlasic, Dowell
FW/W/ST Walcott, Tosun, Richarlison, Sandro, Niasse, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin


i agree 100% besides Schneiderlin...rather have Besic, Gana Dowell. or Baningime doing the Scheinderlin role.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on July 23, 2018, 07:07:47 AM

i agree 100% besides Schneiderlin...rather have Besic, Gana Dowell. or Baningime doing the Scheinderlin role.

I was just being realistic.

With his previous comments I think it is clear that Silva rates him.

I would love to trust Besic as the 6, but I feel he would do great as the 8 for us.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 23, 2018, 07:53:24 AM
I was just being realistic.

With his previous comments I think it is clear that Silva rates him.

I would love to trust Besic as the 6, but I feel he would do great as the 8 for us.

I feel he has matured,, he still tries to do to much... but we dont have anyone else like Besic in our squad.. i feel Siggy Gana and Besic as the midfield 3 would be pretty solid. 3 very hard working CM's.. 2 who can spray a pass.. one who is ultra creative and one who can take people on.. and who covers lots of ground..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: ncstate4jpc on July 23, 2018, 08:46:56 AM
If we add Richarlison, Mina, and Digne, and keep Lookman, we would look decent with Silvaís front-foot, energetic style.

With that in mind, these would be my line-ups/squad: (yep, I would start Besic, and dispite my slandering of him, I feel Schneiderlin could keep everything ticking over nicely once the whole squad is up to speed and on the same page, plus I think Silva really likes him; I also think he prefers Keane, but I would prefer Jagielka as first choice provided we get Mina in there)


                             Pickford
             Coleman Mina Jagielka Digne
             Besic Schneiderlin Sigurdsson
                Walcott Tosun Richarlison


                          Stekelenburg
              Kenny Keane Holgate Baines
                    Davies Gana Vlasic
                  Sandro Niasse Lookman

Robinson, Baningime, Dowell, Calvert-Lewin



GK Pickford, Stekelenburg
RB Coleman, Kenny
LB Digne, Baines, Robinson
CB Mina, Jagielka, Keane, Holgate
DM Schneiderlin, Gana, Baningime
M/CM/ACM Besic, Sigurdsson, Davies, Vlasic, Dowell
FW/W/ST Walcott, Tosun, Richarlison, Sandro, Niasse, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin

I may be in the minority here but Gana is one of the first names on the team sheet for me.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on July 23, 2018, 09:11:47 AM
Ganas decent but when he gets into attacking third heís not very good.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on July 23, 2018, 09:14:07 AM
Ganas decent but when he gets into attacking third he's not very good.
He gets nose bleeds once he passes the halfway line
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 23, 2018, 09:36:56 AM
What to do with.....
Next full session at Finch Farm send Jordan and Seamus for the chips and fucking shoot the rest..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: howard1334 on July 23, 2018, 09:56:38 AM
If we add Richarlison, Mina, and Digne, and keep Lookman, we would look decent with Silvaís front-foot, energetic style.

With that in mind, these would be my line-ups/squad: (yep, I would start Besic, and dispite my slandering of him, I feel Schneiderlin could keep everything ticking over nicely once the whole squad is up to speed and on the same page, plus I think Silva really likes him; I also think he prefers Keane, but I would prefer Jagielka as first choice provided we get Mina in there)


                             Pickford
             Coleman Mina Jagielka Digne
             Besic Schneiderlin Sigurdsson
                Walcott Tosun Richarlison


                          Stekelenburg
              Kenny Keane Holgate Baines
                    Davies Gana Vlasic
                  Sandro Niasse Lookman

Robinson, Baningime, Dowell, Calvert-Lewin



GK Pickford, Stekelenburg
RB Coleman, Kenny
LB Digne, Baines, Robinson
CB Mina, Jagielka, Keane, Holgate
DM Schneiderlin, Gana, Baningime
M/CM/ACM Besic, Sigurdsson, Davies, Vlasic, Dowell
FW/W/ST Walcott, Tosun, Richarlison, Sandro, Niasse, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin

Mirallas and Klaasen have been sold or are playing with the u-23s? I would start Holgate with Mina. Good on the ball. Yet to see him make many mistakes. Faster and more athletic than Keane.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on July 23, 2018, 01:40:51 PM
You canít be starting Besic over Gana.

Come on.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on July 23, 2018, 01:58:19 PM
The sad reality lads !
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/22/everton-failed-gamble-top-six-disappear-over-horizon

Btw whatever happened to Henry O ?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 23, 2018, 03:52:34 PM
A few heads falling off a bit on twitter over the squad.

Still thinking about this CM situation, some very reasonable posters have said they donít mind not upgrading this year but it looks to me like weíre doing like 2 cmís and one advanced cm - Schneiderlin and Gana is surely going to be the same story as the last year and a half?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 23, 2018, 03:55:51 PM
A few heads falling off a bit on twitter over the squad.

Still thinking about this CM situation, some very reasonable posters have said they don’t mind not upgrading this year but it looks to me like we’re doing like 2 cm’s and one advanced cm - Schneiderlin and Gana is surely going to be the same story as the last year and a half?

We can't be starting another season with Schneiderlin and Gana as our midfield axis. The very thought of the opposition walking through the middle of the pitch again at will only to be confronted with Michael Keane makes me cringe.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on July 23, 2018, 04:05:06 PM
You canít be starting Besic over Gana.

Come on.

You can if you have Schneiderlin doing his job.

Silva said himself that Schneiderlin is a #6 that can, and prefers to work alone.

If that is the case, you would then need Gana to be a player to advance us up the pitch, and we know what that looked like last season.

If he could be discliplined I would love Gana instead of Schneiderlin, but I donít see that happening.

Who do you think would do a better job of carrying the ball and passing forwards, Gana or Besic?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 23, 2018, 04:05:25 PM
Keane will be fine this year.
But yeah, any defender is going to struggle when it's open season to run at them.

To be fair, we need a player that is Gana and Schneiderlin combined. Then you can either have Gana himself to add a destructive force against one type of team and a daintier player to unpick the more stubborn teams.

So yeah, i think i'm in the "CB, LB & CM are equally as important acquisitions this summer" camp, as opposed to the "LB & CB is all we need"
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on July 23, 2018, 04:07:59 PM
Mirallas and Klaasen have been sold or are playing with the u-23s? I would start Holgate with Mina. Good on the ball. Yet to see him make many mistakes. Faster and more athletic than Keane.

Yes on Mirallas and Klaassen, although admittedly Mirallas has done well, so he might well stay and challenge for a place.

I would like Holgate as well, but if we do get Mina, an experienced Jagielka next to him could be just what he needs to hit the ground running.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 23, 2018, 04:24:08 PM
Keane will be fine this year.
But yeah, any defender is going to struggle when it's open season to run at them.

To be fair, we need a player that is Gana and Schneiderlin combined. Then you can either have Gana himself to add a destructive force against one type of team and a daintier player to unpick the more stubborn teams.

So yeah, i think i'm in the "CB, LB & CM are equally as important acquisitions this summer" camp, as opposed to the "LB & CB is all we need"

Keane getting slaughtered on twitter.

Getting never-going-to-work-out kind of vibes me.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 23, 2018, 04:26:42 PM
Because our fan base on twitter are amongst the worst i have seen.

A stable partner next to him, competent full backs and a midfield that at least pretends to protect him and he will work his way back into the England scene.
He'll be as good as Stones & Maguire, i still don't doubt that.

Going back to what Allardyce said today though, maybe it's me that give Evertonians too much credit & that they really are daft enough to want everything on a plate.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 23, 2018, 04:30:48 PM
If we add Richarlison, Mina, and Digne, and keep Lookman, we would look decent with Silva’s front-foot, energetic style.

With that in mind, these would be my line-ups/squad: (yep, I would start Besic, and dispite my slandering of him, I feel Schneiderlin could keep everything ticking over nicely once the whole squad is up to speed and on the same page, plus I think Silva really likes him; I also think he prefers Keane, but I would prefer Jagielka as first choice provided we get Mina in there)


                             Pickford
             Coleman Mina Jagielka Digne
             Besic Schneiderlin Sigurdsson
                Walcott Tosun Richarlison


                          Stekelenburg
              Kenny Keane Holgate Baines
                    Davies Gana Vlasic
                  Sandro Niasse Lookman

Robinson, Baningime, Dowell, Calvert-Lewin



GK Pickford, Stekelenburg
RB Coleman, Kenny
LB Digne, Baines, Robinson
CB Mina, Jagielka, Keane, Holgate
DM Schneiderlin, Gana, Baningime
M/CM/ACM Besic, Sigurdsson, Davies, Vlasic, Dowell
FW/W/ST Walcott, Tosun, Richarlison, Sandro, Niasse, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin

I think he may go with Schneiderlin, although Besic probably has given him a headache with his recent friendly performances - box to box and creating a few decent passes ACTUALLY FORWARD. But I think having the reliability, solidity and energy of Gana as that midfield defensive linchpin is essential given our centre backs pace :) That front 3 should be pretty settled all season, so will hopefully develop an understanding... So, gauging Everton players from most Evertonians perspective this would probably work better. but as I say, I get the feeling he wants to play Schniederlin as a quarterback - he is capable of it, at 100%, but how often have we seen 90%+ in the past couple of seasons?:

Pickford

Jags ---------- Mina
Coleman ------------------------------------ Digne

Gana

Besic ---------- Sig'n

Walcott ------------------------------------ Richarlison
Tosun
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on July 23, 2018, 04:32:05 PM
Heís not going to work out playing a high line.

Can put the best defence in the world around him, teams will continually exploit him and get goals.

Even without the issue of playing a high line, heís constantly getting caught the wrong side of players.

Got to be Holgate or even jags alongside a new centre half for me.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 23, 2018, 04:35:27 PM
Because our fan base on twitter are amongst the worst i have seen.

A stable partner next to him, competent full backs and a midfield that at least pretends to protect him and he will work his way back into the England scene.
He'll be as good as Stones & Maguire, i still don't doubt that.

Going back to what Allardyce said today though, maybe it's me that give Evertonians too much credit & that they really are daft enough to want everything on a plate.

I admire your optimism and I hope you're right, but if we're going to move forward with a pressing game which Silva likes then we're going to need defenders who can defend high up the pitch and are competent one on one.
I just don't see it in him. He looked decent as part of a tight defensive unit who never ventured more than 35 yards from their own goal but his acceleration and twisting and turning is really poor for a professional athlete in his mid 20's. He's going to need to be surrounded by some pretty agile and understanding team-mates if we are to hide his flaws.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 23, 2018, 04:41:41 PM
Because our fan base on twitter are amongst the worst i have seen.

A stable partner next to him, competent full backs and a midfield that at least pretends to protect him and he will work his way back into the England scene.
He'll be as good as Stones & Maguire, i still don't doubt that.

Going back to what Allardyce said today though, maybe it's me that give Evertonians too much credit & that they really are daft enough to want everything on a plate.

Yeah sometimes you see the shouts on twitter for like challenging the top 4 and you just have to believe some poeples heads are in the clouds.

Re Keane though, Iím not sure at all. Benefited from the Burnley-boost and is plainly struggling. Not writing him off of course but the fact is at the moment Jags is still the main man imo.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 23, 2018, 05:14:31 PM
Feel this season our back 2/3 will end up being picked from Holgate Jagielka and a new CB.

I also feel with Silva liking Schneiderlin i think Gana may be phased out of the starting 11 with a more complete player taking his position.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on July 23, 2018, 10:15:36 PM
Daily Star linking pickford to Chelsea
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 23, 2018, 11:03:06 PM
Feel this season our back 2/3 will end up being picked from Holgate Jagielka and a new CB.

I also feel with Silva liking Schneiderlin i think Gana may be phased out of the starting 11 with a more complete player taking his position.

If Schneiderlin starts instead of Gueye, we've got big problems.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on July 23, 2018, 11:08:40 PM
Daily Star linking pickford to Chelsea
not even remotely concerned about that this summer, next summer if he has a good season for us is more of a worry.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 23, 2018, 11:14:26 PM
Thereíll be massive upheaval in the squad in the next couple of weeks. Silva wants a squad of 25 and even if he only gets 2 or 3 of his targets, I can see about 10 leaving. I donít expect Silva to bring in the (up to) 6 he wants but weíll get at least 4. The squad is going to look very different in 3 weekís time.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 23, 2018, 11:31:26 PM
There’ll be massive upheaval in the squad in the next couple of weeks. Silva wants a squad of 25 and even if he only gets 2 or 3 of his targets, I can see about 10 leaving. I don’t expect Silva to bring in the (up to) 6 he wants but we’ll get at least 4. The squad is going to look very different in 3 week’s time.

I actually think it'll work in our favour. Clubs get desperate the nearer the window closes and as we have rather a large pool of players who are disposable there could potentially be a decent bit of rinsing of cash-rich clubs to come, if we have enough savvy people at the club able to process such a large amount of work in a short period of time.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on July 24, 2018, 12:06:38 AM
not even remotely concerned about that this summer, next summer if he has a good season for us is more of a worry.

Agree dude, itís bloody daft how players are sold by papers and media outlets with absolutely nothing backing it up, never used to be like this. I miss the 80s
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: American Evertonian on July 24, 2018, 12:38:32 AM
If Schneiderlin starts instead of Gueye, we've got big problems.

I don't necessarily agree. They offer different things. I think Gueye is too one dimential
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on July 24, 2018, 12:40:40 AM
If Schneiderlin starts instead of Gueye, we've got big problems.
I like Gana, but he has his faults, positioning and passing being two of those. Depends how were going to play - I think Silva is a Schneiderlin fan
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on July 24, 2018, 12:43:04 AM
I want us to sign a centre mid who can apply pressure but also take on a man and play defence splitting passes, anyone think of anyone?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on July 24, 2018, 12:44:20 AM
Seeing Keane attempt to turn on a dustbin for the Porto goal makes me hope our centreback pairing is Holgate and Mina.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 24, 2018, 01:21:21 AM
Seeing Keane attempt to turn on a dustbin for the Porto goal makes me hope our centreback pairing is Holgate and Mina.

Looks bad doesnít it that goal, totally left for dust as well.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: nsno on July 24, 2018, 01:34:34 AM
I want us to sign a centre mid who can apply pressure but also take on a man and play defence splitting passes, anyone think of anyone?
Fabregas. He's in the last year of his contract too.....One can only dream
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on July 24, 2018, 01:45:10 AM
Looks bad doesnít it that goal, totally left for dust as well.

My issue with Keane is that he doesn't seem overly aware either. There's plenty of good defenders not blessed with great pace but they have great awareness and reading of the game, constantly looking around checking what's about them.
With THAT goal he seemed as though he had no clue there was even a player there.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on July 26, 2018, 04:06:17 AM
Whatís going on with Holgate then now his number has gone to Richarlison?

Is moving up the pecking order?

Or is he getting shipped out?

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on July 26, 2018, 04:07:35 AM
What’s going on with Holgate then now his number has gone to Richarlison?

Is moving up the pecking order?

Or is he getting shipped out?


not announced the numbers yet, may well be taking Williams number 5
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 26, 2018, 04:17:02 AM
Whatís going on with Holgate then now his number has gone to Richarlison?

Is moving up the pecking order?

Or is he getting shipped out?



Didn't Silva say he's got a big role to play for us this year?

More than happy for certain young players to be given an extended run in the side this season and Holgate is certainly one of them

Would be a great statement to make him number 5
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on July 26, 2018, 04:19:12 AM
Always seen him as a number 4. Our elegant defenders are number 4. Brutes like Dave Watson are number 5s.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on July 26, 2018, 04:21:34 AM
not announced the numbers yet, may well be taking Williams number 5

This makes sense
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on July 26, 2018, 01:32:30 PM
MS: ďYou are talking about almost 30 players. We have to do some signings as well; four, five, maybe one more and of course we need to make some space in our squad to get new signings in our squad. I would like to work with 22 players and 3 goalkeepers.Ē #EFC #COYB https://t.co/0tnRWYVK0N
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on July 26, 2018, 01:48:17 PM
Doucoure not featured in any pre season games with Watford, that one a goer too you think? I'd imagine silva interested
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue1948 on July 26, 2018, 03:17:22 PM
Just watched the Besic interview on Everton tv .Got to say I think he has a big role to play here ,may be he is seen as the "6 " that Marco is on about .Love him to do well ,saying that love them all to do well even Mirallas ( that part of the sentence will self -destruct in three minutes)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on July 26, 2018, 03:33:27 PM
Just watched the Besic interview on Everton tv .Got to say I think he has a big role to play here ,may be he is seen as the "6 " that Marco is on about .Love him to do well ,saying that love them all to do well even Mirallas ( that part of the sentence will self -destruct in three minutes)

Unfortunately he's not good enough if we can get a half decent offer for him then we should sell, same with Mirallas. Besic has played 52 games in 4 seasons, we let limited players hang around far too long.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on July 26, 2018, 03:49:12 PM
Unfortunately he's not good enough if we can get a half decent offer for him then we should sell, same with Mirallas. Besic has played 52 games in 4 seasons, we let limited players hang around far too long.
................I think we expected Boro to sign Besic after his good loan spell . Don't know why it hasn't happened.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 26, 2018, 03:59:13 PM
................I think we expected Boro to sign Besic after his good loan spell . Don't know why it hasn't happened.

Think he's good enough to play in the PL. Just maybe not good enough to play regularly for a team looking to get in the top six. 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on July 27, 2018, 04:10:38 AM
What kind of fee would Sigurdsson fetch this summer?

Also, how much does a playmaker who actually wants the ball cost?

Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on July 27, 2018, 04:12:10 AM
Lucky to get £25m for Siggy,
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 27, 2018, 04:39:39 AM
What kind of fee would Sigurdsson fetch this summer?

Also, how much does a playmaker who actually wants the ball cost?

Asking for a friend.


Probably the same as all the Walsh Signings (sorry Walsah/Koeman signings)

loss on Bolassie  30m - 15 m
Klaassen 29m to 15m?
Sandro... well maybe break even on him.
Keane 30m to 15m
Schneiderlin - 27m? 12m

and siggy

45m to 20m

its totally shocking the bad business we did last summer, how can players depreciate so much and so fast???

it cant be all down to the manager not utalizing them correctly... even tho i wish it was..


lol at the asking for a friend comment,, reminded me so much of 4chan a few years back., and how things slowly find their way onto the normal parts of the web.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2018, 05:19:40 AM
Whatís going on with Holgate then now his number has gone to Richarlison?

Is moving up the pecking order?

At this point maybe by default
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 27, 2018, 05:25:31 AM
Lucky to get £25m for Siggy,

Nah, that was his true value last summer. Before he had an average season and aged a year.

Weíre stuck with a rapidly depreciating asset in him. Just hope he can reproduce some kind of form again before heíll need replacing.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: nsno on July 27, 2018, 05:35:10 AM
We are desperate for an aggressive midfielder, somebody who other teams are afraid of playing against. Somebody snide who loves a tackle. We've not had this since fellaini and we are far to weak and easily pushed off the ball. Shelvey from Newcastle would be my shout.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on July 27, 2018, 05:47:24 AM
Why are people having a pop at Sigurdsson?

The least of our problems him.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on July 27, 2018, 05:49:28 AM
Honestly think Koeman has done an absolute number on this squad and itís going to take a few years before we can have a truly balanced squad like we did under Moyes.

Even with Martinez there was a baseline to build from.

This squad though needs ripping up.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on July 27, 2018, 05:50:03 AM
Why are people having a pop at Sigurdsson?

The least of our problems him.

Agree
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on July 27, 2018, 05:54:49 AM

Probably the same as all the Walsh Signings (sorry Walsah/Koeman signings)

loss on Bolassie  30m - 15 m
Klaassen 29m to 15m?
Sandro... well maybe break even on him.
Keane 30m to 15m
Schneiderlin - 27m? 12m

and siggy

45m to 20m

its totally shocking the bad business we did last summer, how can players depreciate so much and so fast???

it cant be all down to the manager not utalizing them correctly... even tho i wish it was..


lol at the asking for a friend comment,, reminded me so much of 4chan a few years back., and how things slowly find their way onto the normal parts of the web.

I think you're quoting the top figures including add ons to be fair and we didn't pay more than 22 for Schneiderlin if my memory serves.

Sigurdsson I think we'd easily get 30 mill for, although of course it's still a huge loss. But he's a decent player and worth more to us staying than leaving.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2018, 06:02:12 AM
Why are people having a pop at Sigurdsson?

The least of our problems him.

Yeah like heís never looked that good for us and he was expensive but we do know that he is capable of high standards. I would rather fuck off the ones who even on their best day arenít anywhere near good enough.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on July 27, 2018, 06:07:58 AM
Anyone know what injury Walcott has and if heís due back soon, and if Lookman is actually injured?

If we had those two up with Richarlison this side would look a lot more positive.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 27, 2018, 06:13:56 AM
I think you're quoting the top figures including add ons to be fair and we didn't pay more than 22 for Schneiderlin if my memory serves.

Sigurdsson I think we'd easily get 30 mill for, although of course it's still a huge loss. But he's a decent player and worth more to us staying than leaving.

i blame the alcohol,, only way to get past the Blackburn match...

i cant see anyone out the top 6 who would pay 30m for Sigurdsson...I would have been able to see Burnley go for him, but they just got Wilshere..

I used to have faith in Walsh, If you go back through the Walsh posts, I firmly put teh blame at Koemans feet. i've never 'dissed' Walsh, or blamed him for the transfers, in fact i rated him... but looking back,  Last summer was just playing bingo.

I see Siggy as a 8 (in CM) rather than a 10, i'd rather keep him than sell him.. i hope he excells in that cm position.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 27, 2018, 06:16:49 AM
Why are people having a pop at Sigurdsson?

The least of our problems him.

People need to give the Siggy/Davies partnership time to develop.  I think there is a spark there, and could really work in Marco's system.  Shit like that doesn't blossom overnight, though.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on July 27, 2018, 06:22:29 AM
i blame the alcohol,, only way to get past the Blackburn match...

i cant see anyone out the top 6 who would pay 30m for Sigurdsson...I would have been able to see Burnley go for him, but they just got Wilshere..

I used to have faith in Walsh, If you go back through the Walsh posts, I firmly put teh blame at Koemans feet. i've never 'dissed' Walsh, or blamed him for the transfers, in fact i rated him... but looking back,  Last summer was just playing bingo.

I see Siggy as a 8 (in CM) rather than a 10, i'd rather keep him than sell him.. i hope he excells in that cm position.

You really are drunk. Didn't West Ham get Wilshere? :)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on July 27, 2018, 06:35:09 AM
I said Koeman would leave this club/squad in a worse state than heíd ever found it..


but would you listen?....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 27, 2018, 06:41:35 AM
You really are drunk. Didn't West Ham get Wilshere? :)

:S

i blame the color of the kits.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: DanDan on July 27, 2018, 05:08:25 PM
I have counted 34 players here. So quite a fair few will either have to find themselves a club either permanently or on loan as they wont be playing for us

Jordan Pickford    GK
Maarten Stekelenburg    GK
Mateusz Hewelt    GK
   
Leighton Baines    DF
Michael Keane    DF
Ashley Williams    DF
Phil Jagielka    DF
Cuco Martina    DF
Seamus Coleman    DF
Mason Holgate    DF
Brendan Galloway    DF
Matthew Pennington    DF
Jonjoe Kenny    DF
Tyias Browning    DF
Antonee Robinson    DF
Callum Connolly   DF
   
Morgan Schneiderlin    MF
James McCarthy    MF
Idrissa Gueye    MF
Gylfi Sigurdsson    MF
Davy Klaassen    MF
Muhamed Besic    MF
Tom Davies    MF
Kieran Dowell    MF
Beni Baningime    MF
   
Yannick Bolasie    FW
Sandro Ramirez    FW
Theo Walcott    FW
Kevin Mirallas    FW
Cenk Tosun    FW
Oumar Niasse    FW
Nikola Vlaöić    FW
Dominic Calvert-Lewin    FW
Ademola Lookman    FW
   
On Loan   
Luke Garbutt*    DF
Henry Onyekuru*    FW
Shani Tarashaj*    FW


Still 34 Players with Klaassen gone But Richarlison added


Jordan Pickford    GK
Maarten Stekelenburg    GK
Mateusz Hewelt    GK
   
Leighton Baines    DF
Michael Keane    DF
Ashley Williams    DF
Phil Jagielka    DF
Cuco Martina    DF
Seamus Coleman    DF
Mason Holgate    DF
Brendan Galloway    DF
Matthew Pennington    DF
Jonjoe Kenny    DF
Tyias Browning    DF
Antonee Robinson    DF
Callum Connolly   DF
   
Morgan Schneiderlin    MF
James McCarthy    MF
Idrissa Gueye    MF
Gylfi Sigurdsson    MF
Muhamed Besic    MF
Tom Davies    MF
Kieran Dowell    MF
Beni Baningime    MF
   
Yannick Bolasie    FW
Sandro Ramirez    FW
Theo Walcott    FW
Kevin Mirallas    FW
Cenk Tosun    FW
Oumar Niasse    FW
Nikola Vlaöić    FW
Dominic Calvert-Lewin    FW
Ademola Lookman    FW
Richarlison      FW
   
On Loan   
Luke Garbutt*    DF
Henry Onyekuru*    FW
Shani Tarashaj*    FW

Sold
Davy Klaassen    MF
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2018, 05:09:11 PM
Made my mind up about Besic btw. Total, total wham.

Pennington is league one standard, no idea why he got another contract.

Kenny is Tony Hibbert. Nothing wrong with that but anyone thinking heís our future RB please stop saying it in public. Big heart but terrible quality.

Tosun - jury out big time, will turn out to be quite a bad buy I think but Iím happy to give him this season as the striker. Could do with a real main man at some point in the future, maybe when weíre ready to try and kick on.

Schneiderlin - about ready to give up on him to be honest. Not sure how such a capable player can be so cowardly in and out of possession. Shame we missed out on carvalho tbh I think that was our chance to upgrade.

Jags - has been written off many times before. Do so at our own risk because heíll be our starting centreback by Christmas again as usual.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 27, 2018, 05:29:28 PM
Still 34 Players with Klaassen gone But Richarlison added


Jordan Pickford    GK
Maarten Stekelenburg    GK               Get Rid
Mateusz Hewelt    GK
   
Leighton Baines    DF
Michael Keane    DF
Ashley Williams    DF                    Get Rid
Phil Jagielka    DF
Cuco Martina    DF                       Get Rid
Seamus Coleman    DF
Mason Holgate    DF
Brendan Galloway    DF               Loan
Matthew Pennington    DF            Get Rid
Jonjoe Kenny    DF
Tyias Browning    DF                   Get Rid
Antonee Robinson    DF               Loan
Callum Connolly   DF                   Loan
   
Morgan Schneiderlin    MF            Get Rid
James McCarthy    MF
Idrissa Gueye    MF
Gylfi Sigurdsson    MF
Muhamed Besic    MF
Tom Davies    MF
Kieran Dowell    MF
Beni Baningime    MF                 Loan
   
Yannick Bolasie    FW           Get Rid
Sandro Ramirez    FW
Theo Walcott    FW
Kevin Mirallas    FW             Get Rid
Cenk Tosun    FW
Oumar Niasse    FW
Nikola Vlašić    FW
Dominic Calvert-Lewin    FW
Ademola Lookman    FW
Richarlison      FW
   
On Loan   
Luke Garbutt*    DF
Henry Onyekuru*    FW
Shani Tarashaj*    FW

Sold
Davy Klaassen    MF
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on July 27, 2018, 05:51:43 PM
Made my mind up about Besic btw. Total, total wham.

Pennington is league one standard, no idea why he got another contract.

Kenny is Tony Hibbert. Nothing wrong with that but anyone thinking heís our future RB please stop saying it in public. Big heart but terrible quality.

Tosun - jury out big time, will turn out to be quite a bad buy I think but Iím happy to give him this season as the striker. Could do with a real main man at some point in the future, maybe when weíre ready to try and kick on.

Schneiderlin - about ready to give up on him to be honest. Not sure how such a capable player can be so cowardly in and out of possession. Shame we missed out on carvalho tbh I think that was our chance to upgrade.

Jags - has been written off many times before. Do so at our own risk because heíll be our starting centreback by Christmas again as usual.



Harsh on Kenny. Heíll have a premier league career, but probably not at us. No problem with him filling in for Coleman when he needs to.

And I donít get the tosun thing. Think heís easily bagging 15+ next season. Heís the main man youíre talking about for me.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2018, 05:55:22 PM
Harsh on Kenny. Heíll have a premier league career, but probably not at us. No problem with him filling in for Coleman when he needs to.

And I donít get the tosun thing. Think heís easily bagging 15+ next season. Heís the main man youíre talking about for me.

Kenny absolutely no chance mate. A good aggressive tackler but heís a championship right back.

Tosun I donít mind him at all, but Iím honestly still backing DCL to end up userping him. Juryís out but happy to give him this year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on July 27, 2018, 05:56:02 PM
I also think Kenny's limited tbh. I think maybe some good long term coaching (a la Poch), which Silva is known for, could develop him. He's very much safety first, pass back to the keeper if he's under any pressure, a bit head down at the moment.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2018, 05:59:21 PM
Just hasn’t got the quality on the ball, some players are just like that. Not going to develop 1v1 ability or technique now at 20 odd.

If he was 6 foot + would made a good CB.

Keane showed some more of his OK passing last night. More of that please Micheal.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 27, 2018, 06:01:03 PM
Kenny is good enough to play second fiddle to Coleman for a few years, injuries permitting - so we need no worry about Kenny.

Our main issue is we need 2 very good centre halves, and we dont even have 1. Holgate may become a good cb, Keane may improve to become steady - ish.

I reckon Baines could manage another year, but then THAT IS IT. Although, now would be the time to bring in a quality LB and gradually ease into the side permanently.

I would love to keep Lookman, to fill in on either wing when needed - and lets face it, we are bound to get injuries/suspensions fairly often.

We arent that far away, but the centre back issue needs to be resolved. I reckon we are going all out for Mina, who would literally be immense, but surely we will have other options if we dont sort something soon.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on July 27, 2018, 06:01:26 PM
Just hasnít got the quality on the ball, some players are just like that. Not going to develop 1v1 ability of technique now at 20 odd.

If he was 6 foot + would made a good CB.

Keane showed some more of his OK passing last night. More of that please Micheal.

Broadly agree, but disagree on the player development. You can work with players and improve them markedly. Coleman's not great technically, but he's developed a method of getting past people with movement off the ball, and well timed runs.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 27, 2018, 06:12:17 PM
I also think Kenny's limited tbh. I think maybe some good long term coaching (a la Poch), which Silva is known for, could develop him. He's very much safety first, pass back to the keeper if he's under any pressure, a bit head down at the moment.

For us, he seems to pass back as first option, but when I've seen him for England under 23s/21's, and in the Toulon tournies,, he is alot more attacking..

i think it comes down to him not wanting to make mistakes for his club team.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2018, 06:14:53 PM
Broadly agree, but disagree on the player development. You can work with players and improve them markedly. Coleman's not great technically, but he's developed a method of getting past people with movement off the ball, and well timed runs.

Heís had that since the first time I saw him on the home game against spurs. Kick and run dribbler who is a fantastic athlete.

Think you can work on individual bits of execution yeah so sweeping statement A bit unfair maybe but, I think you mostly are who you are at like 20 odd.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 27, 2018, 06:31:19 PM
Pickford, Coleman, Richarlison, Holgate, Baines, Gana, Sigurdsson, Tosun, Lookman and Walcott, Niasse, Sandro fine for the first team set up, starting line up wise there is room for more, certainly Baines replacement, shed load of room for centre backs and centre mids

Davies, DCL, Robinson, Vlasic, Dowell, Kenny, Baningime, Hewelt need a bit of development

Besic, Mirallas, Martina, Williams, Pennington, Browning, Galloway, Scheiderlin, Keane, Tarashaj, Bolasie, Garbutt   can be sold

Stekelenburg and Jagielka might as well stay until retirement

McCarthy happy to be kept on when he's back from injury, wouldn't be too upset if sold immediately though

Onyekuru straight to the first team when back
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Simon Paul on July 27, 2018, 06:43:46 PM
Reckon the tactic of only playing everyone for 45 minutes might backfire slightly
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on July 27, 2018, 07:03:03 PM
Heís had that since the first time I saw him on the home game against spurs. Kick and run dribbler who is a fantastic athlete.

Think you can work on individual bits of execution yeah so sweeping statement A bit unfair maybe but, I think you mostly are who you are at like 20 odd.

Coleman is very good at keeping the ball close to him when running at full pelt. Hard to stop that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 27, 2018, 07:12:17 PM
Now weíve turned on Kenny does that mean our golden generation of kids arenít actually that good?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on July 27, 2018, 07:26:39 PM
Why are people having a pop at Sigurdsson?

The least of our problems him.

Its almost like they've forgotten how our attacking threat dropped off a big fuck off cliff when he got injured.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on July 27, 2018, 07:28:44 PM
Still 34 Players with Klaassen gone But Richarlison added


Jordan Pickford    GK
Maarten Stekelenburg    GK               Get Rid
Mateusz Hewelt    GK
   
Leighton Baines    DF
Michael Keane    DF
Ashley Williams    DF                    Get Rid
Phil Jagielka    DF
Cuco Martina    DF                       Get Rid
Seamus Coleman    DF
Mason Holgate    DF
Brendan Galloway    DF               Loan
Matthew Pennington    DF            Get Rid
Jonjoe Kenny    DF
Tyias Browning    DF                   Get Rid
Antonee Robinson    DF               Loan
Callum Connolly   DF                   Loan
   
Morgan Schneiderlin    MF            Get Rid
James McCarthy    MF
Idrissa Gueye    MF
Gylfi Sigurdsson    MF
Muhamed Besic    MF
Tom Davies    MF
Kieran Dowell    MF
Beni Baningime    MF                 Loan
   
Yannick Bolasie    FW           Get Rid
Sandro Ramirez    FW
Theo Walcott    FW
Kevin Mirallas    FW             Get Rid
Cenk Tosun    FW
Oumar Niasse    FW
Nikola Vlašić    FW
Dominic Calvert-Lewin    FW
Ademola Lookman    FW
Richarlison      FW
   
On Loan   
Luke Garbutt*    DF
Henry Onyekuru*    FW
Shani Tarashaj*    FW

Sold
Davy Klaassen    MF


I'd be looking to loan out Vlasic too.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on July 27, 2018, 07:42:50 PM
Reckon the tactic of only playing everyone for 45 minutes might backfire slightly
He definitely has exhausted his opportunities to get a good look at the squad/put players in the shop window. Now need to see his starting 11 against Wolves play ďhis systemĒ against Rennes and Valencia.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2018, 08:01:05 PM
Edit soz
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: nsno on July 27, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
Still 34 Players with Klaassen gone But Richarlison added


Jordan Pickford    GK
Maarten Stekelenburg    GK               Get Rid
Mateusz Hewelt    GK
   
Leighton Baines    DF
Michael Keane    DF
Ashley Williams    DF                    Get Rid
Phil Jagielka    DF
Cuco Martina    DF                       Get Rid
Seamus Coleman    DF
Mason Holgate    DF
Brendan Galloway    DF               Loan
Matthew Pennington    DF            Get Rid
Jonjoe Kenny    DF
Tyias Browning    DF                   Get Rid
Antonee Robinson    DF               Loan
Callum Connolly   DF                   Loan
   
Morgan Schneiderlin    MF            Get Rid
James McCarthy    MF
Idrissa Gueye    MF
Gylfi Sigurdsson    MF
Muhamed Besic    MF
Tom Davies    MF
Kieran Dowell    MF
Beni Baningime    MF                 Loan
   
Yannick Bolasie    FW           Get Rid
Sandro Ramirez    FW
Theo Walcott    FW
Kevin Mirallas    FW             Get Rid
Cenk Tosun    FW
Oumar Niasse    FW
Nikola Vlašić    FW
Dominic Calvert-Lewin    FW
Ademola Lookman    FW
Richarlison      FW
   
On Loan   
Luke Garbutt*    DF
Henry Onyekuru*    FW
Shani Tarashaj*    FW

Sold
Davy Klaassen    MF

I find it crazy that people think basic is a better option to have in our midfield than schneiderlin. Basic is crap, championship standard at the very best. Schneiderlin has become the latest villain evertonians like to berate.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluenose 91 on July 27, 2018, 08:09:54 PM
Its almost like they've forgotten how our attacking threat dropped off a big fuck off cliff when he got injured.

Still think he's quite under rated by our fans myself.

There's genuinely been shouts for Dowell and even Vlasic to play over him the last few weeks ffs
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 27, 2018, 08:14:56 PM
I find it crazy that people think basic is a better option to have in our midfield than schneiderlin. Basic is crap, championship standard at the very best. Schneiderlin has become the latest villain evertonians like to berate.
Besically I don't like Schneiderlin
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 27, 2018, 09:14:46 PM
I find it crazy that people think basic is a better option to have in our midfield than schneiderlin. Basic is crap, championship standard at the very best. Schneiderlin has become the latest villain evertonians like to berate.

going on last season, Schneiderlin was abysmal, he gave up way to many times, trundled around the pitch with no enthusiasm, passed backwards every opportunity he had and basically looked like he didnt give a fuck..  he isnt the latest villain, he was the main villain from last season(besides big sam)

people think Besic is a better option cos, he actually can move the ball forwards, he doesnt always look to pass back soon as he receives the ball, he gets stuck into tackles, he also seems to play with some passion.. which is what everton fans demand as a minimum requirement, yes he makes the odd mistake.. but Schneiderlin made countless mistakes every match he played in last season.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: nsno on July 28, 2018, 12:20:38 AM
going on last season, Schneiderlin was abysmal, he gave up way to many times, trundled around the pitch with no enthusiasm, passed backwards every opportunity he had and basically looked like he didnt give a fuck..  he isnt the latest villain, he was the main villain from last season(besides big sam)

people think Besic is a better option cos, he actually can move the ball forwards, he doesnt always look to pass back soon as he receives the ball, he gets stuck into tackles, he also seems to play with some passion.. which is what everton fans demand as a minimum requirement, yes he makes the odd mistake.. but Schneiderlin made countless mistakes every match he played in last season.


It probably doesn't help when your in a period of bad form and your own fans boo and heckle you. One of the biggest problems in our fan base is the booing of players. Ive been to games when lukaku was booed, a player who was the greatest cf to play for us in a generation. Another problem is enjoying players who run around like headless chickens over players with genuine footballing talents.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 28, 2018, 02:03:47 AM
When Bolasie did his knee a fella by me stood up and shouted Ďroll him off the fucking pitchí

Our fans are fucking twats.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 28, 2018, 04:16:41 PM
It probably doesn't help when your in a period of bad form and your own fans boo and heckle you. One of the biggest problems in our fan base is the booing of players. Ive been to games when lukaku was booed, a player who was the greatest cf to play for us in a generation. Another problem is enjoying players who run around like headless chickens over players with genuine footballing talents.

Schneiderlin wasnt booed until the second half of the season, he has played like dog shite for well over half the season before he was booed..

Besic doesnt run around like a headless chicken tho.. nor did McCarthy.. hell one of the best combative midfielders we had in years (Carsley) didnt run around like a headless chicken either.. im sure you disagree with those statements.

i for one enjoyed the booing.. the fans are basically the life blood of the club, you pay to watch, your allowed to voice your view... if the team/tactics is dogshite, then why not boo and make it known to the owners?

unless you think we should just clap clap clap, regardless of the performance?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on July 28, 2018, 04:40:48 PM
Besic doesnt run around like a headless chicken tho..

He does though. Positional awareness and discipline is one of his biggest weaknesses, he'll go chasing a ball into the corner and leave a big hole where he's meant to be. Sometimes his play can be like it was school where every player just chases the ball round the park regardless of the position they're meant to play. I like him, links defence and attack up well, always looks to get the ball forward but he's prone to wandering off or getting caught out of position. That can be changed and coached into a player but he also needs the intelligence to be able to stick to it.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 28, 2018, 04:52:53 PM
Hey that's a point where is McCarthy? Is he injured again? Haven't seen him pre season
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on July 28, 2018, 04:54:49 PM
He does though. Positional awareness and discipline is one of his biggest weaknesses, he'll go chasing a ball into the corner and leave a big hole where he's meant to be. Sometimes his play can be like it was school where every player just chases the ball round the park regardless of the position they're meant to play. I like him, links defence and attack up well, always looks to get the ball forward but he's prone to wandering off or getting caught out of position. That can be changed and coached into a player but he also needs the intelligence to be able to stick to it.

This is spot on tbh....but I still prefer a player to chase with passion than to stop running and walk back when we are being attacked ....a la Scneids on many occasions last year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 28, 2018, 04:57:05 PM
What kind of fee would Sigurdsson fetch this summer?

Also, how much does a playmaker who actually wants the ball cost?

Asking for a friend.

Only we could sign a player who doesnít get on the ball and create stuff. He did okay last season but he was a shocking signing in terms of what we actually needed and in terms of his price
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on July 28, 2018, 04:58:19 PM
Hey that's a point where is McCarthy? Is he injured again? Haven't seen him pre season
He has a broken leg remember. Rondon took him out in the West Bromwich game.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: everton1952 on July 28, 2018, 05:00:25 PM
I think it was very cruel to list those names like that. It is upsetting to see all the dross we have in one inescapable list. We should organise one of those human sales auctions they had centuries ago and line them all up. By the end of the afternoon about 25 would have been moved on to other employers, not by any means all football clubs.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jamokachi on July 28, 2018, 05:01:01 PM
Hey that's a point where is McCarthy? Is he injured again? Haven't seen him pre season

He broke his leg.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 28, 2018, 05:02:09 PM
He has a broken leg remember. Rondon took him out in the West Bromwich game.

Oh yes completely forgot about that, thank you kindly
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: toffee_scot on July 29, 2018, 05:40:37 AM
Only we could sign a player who doesnít get on the ball and create stuff. He did okay last season but he was a shocking signing in terms of what we actually needed and in terms of his price

I'm wondering if he will fit into the football system of the current manager, I know this isn't his signing but it would be great if we could get the most out of our £45m player.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on July 29, 2018, 02:14:49 PM
From the games that Iíve seen this preseason (bury, Porto, Rennes) the biggest fluctuation is the pressing when we donít have the ball and then a subsequent plan of what to do when we get it back.

The best bits in the first two of those games involved us getting into the other team quickly and then moving the ball quickly to wide areas where we made sure we had 2-3 options for the player in possession.

Yesterday was also the most rigid 4-2-3-1 (whether by design or as a result of who was playing im not sure); the other two were more approximate to 4-3-3.

But as vase theories we can either pick a 3 who all will press pretty naturally or we can work on/ hope that the best individuals work at it better.

It looks like silva wants a player of Schneiderlinís profile at the base of the midfield, as vs Porto he was well used in getting the ball from one side of the pitch to the other. But he also pressed much more regularly in that game too.

This meant that Davies and Dowell spent much more time further forward and were subsequently more involved.

Yesterday was back to last seasonís performances with not much energy either with or without possession, and it showed.

So I can see the idea of Besic here but all the concerns of positional discipline remain, especially if heís there on his own.

I donít know wether yesterday was made worse in that Gueye and Sigurdsson havenít had much preseason yet but finding the balance in midfield is going to be vital.

 

In addition this also impacts on the defence.

Goal aside, we generally defended pretty well vs Porto as, because we were on the front foot it made their attackers go deeper meaning that if we lost the ball they werenít in positions higher up the pitch to immediately be up against an exposed defence, or the player in the ball didnít have the time to look up properly.

This of course will take some time as a new manager finds out exactly what each player can/ canít and will/ wonít do.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 29, 2018, 03:14:58 PM
Iíd be open to offers for the lot of them. sigurdsson 30m. Keane 15m. Morgan 20m. Gueye 25m

We should be determined to keep very few of them. A lot arenít very good but even beyond that they just donít fit together as a team. We need to start again.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on July 29, 2018, 03:20:00 PM
Iíd be open to offers for the lot of them. sigurdsson 30m. Keane 15m. Morgan 20m. Gueye 25m

We should be determined to keep very few of them. A lot arenít very good but even beyond that they just donít fit together as a team. We need to start again.

Iíd be open to offers too but youíd be lucky to get those prices, esp Morgan and Gueye.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 29, 2018, 03:20:10 PM
Standard Everton gear this, least fit, least organised squad going into a new season, rotten pre season results. It is just pre season though I suppose and we can't judge until new signings are sorted and settled and some competitive action has actually taken place but it feels as though at best it's gonna be a transitional season
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on July 29, 2018, 03:21:16 PM
Iíd be open to offers for the lot of them. sigurdsson 30m. Keane 15m. Morgan 20m. Gueye 25m

We should be determined to keep very few of them. A lot arenít very good but even beyond that they just donít fit together as a team. We need to start again.

TBH I think id be open to offers for everyone except Coleman, Pickford, Richarlison and maybe Walcott and Lookman, although the latter isnt based on much evidence yet, but if his apparent attitude is to be believed then he can go too.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 29, 2018, 03:21:21 PM
Iíd be open to offers too but youíd be lucky to get those prices, esp Morgan and Gueye.

I would think gueye would be the easiest to sell. Probably the best player on the list and probably on the smallest contract
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on July 29, 2018, 03:26:20 PM
I would think gueye would be the easiest to sell. Probably the best player on the list and probably on the smallest contract

29 year old who has done fuck all to impress anyone in pre season nor last season., doubt anyone would pay 25 million.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on July 29, 2018, 03:27:30 PM
TBH I think id be open to offers for everyone except Coleman, Pickford, Richarlison and maybe Walcott and Lookman, although the latter isnt based on much evidence yet, but if his apparent attitude is to be believed then he can go too.

Wouldnít write Tosun off just yet, give the lad a chance.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on July 29, 2018, 03:30:15 PM
Wouldnít write Tosun off just yet, give the lad a chance.

Willing to give him a chance, but haven't seen enough to give me confidence hes the answer to our goal scoring issues. Hes definitely the best out of DCL, Niasse and himself, but thats not a great endorsement
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on July 29, 2018, 03:31:18 PM
Willing to give him a chance, but haven't seen enough to give me confidence hes the answer to our goal scoring issues. Hes definitely the best out of DCL, Niasse and himself, but thats not a great endorsement

Letís see if he can strike up a partnership with Rich.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 29, 2018, 03:33:08 PM
29 year old who has done fuck all to impress anyone in pre season nor last season., doubt anyone would pay 25 million.

Least heís great at 1 thing. The rest are just a bit shit at everything.

The 1 I have biggest issue with us signing is sigurdsson. We knew exactly what we were getting when we bought him. His age meant he had zero scope for improving and yet we committed so much time and money to him. Honestly itís inept. I really donít think we even scouted our signings. Just bought them off stats
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on July 29, 2018, 03:33:34 PM
Letís see if he can strike up a partnership with Rich.

Hopefully, excited by what Richarlison can bring and hopefully it'll give Tosun and others the belief that things might happen. Must've been sole destroying in some of our play last year where you keeping making runs knowing full well nothing will really ever come of it.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 29, 2018, 03:42:06 PM
Hopefully, excited by what Richarlison can bring and hopefully it'll give Tosun and others the belief that things might happen. Must've been sole destroying in some of our play last year where you keeping making runs knowing full well nothing will really ever come of it.

Not much will change this season. We still donít have anyone in the centre of the park able to pick their head up and start an attack. In fact weíve gone backwards as weíve lost the one player who could do that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on July 29, 2018, 04:01:39 PM
Sigurdsson is the least of whats currently wrong with the side. He'll score 8-10 goals this season and 6 will be goal of the season contenders.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 29, 2018, 04:04:00 PM
Sigurdsson is the least of whats currently wrong with the side. He'll score 8-10 goals this season and 6 will be goal of the season contenders.


I think thatís almost the point. Heíll score 6 great goals out of nothing and do almost nowt else all season. Heís our 45m playmaker with little potential for improvement. This is the best version of sigurdsson weíll ever see

Heís not our biggest problem but when you consider what we invested in him.......
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 29, 2018, 04:06:28 PM

I think thatís almost the point. Heíll score 6 great goals out of nothing and do almost nowt else all season. Heís our 45m playmaker with little potential for improvement. This is the best version of sigurdsson weíll ever see

Heís not our biggest problem but when you consider what we invested in him.......

See by raising these valid points itíll be construed on here as having a dig at him when it really isnít.
Heís not one of our problems but on the other hand he is very much integral to the problem.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 29, 2018, 04:13:56 PM
See by raising these valid points itíll be construed on here as having a dig at him when it really isnít.
Heís not one of our problems but on the other hand he is very much integral to the problem.

Heís actually 1 of our best players. Heís a player of great moments rather than controlling a game. Absolutely not what we needed. Absolutely too expensive.

Iíd sell him. Not because heís remotely close to being our biggest problem but because none of it fits together anyway and the list of who we want to sell really doesnít tally with other clubs lists of who theyíd want to buy (well unless the are lunatics)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 29, 2018, 04:18:09 PM
Heís actually 1 of our best players. Heís a player of great moments rather than controlling a game. Absolutely not what we needed. Absolutely too expensive.

Iíd sell him. Not because heís remotely close to being our biggest problem but because none of it fits together anyway and the list of who we want to sell really doesnít tally with other clubs lists of who theyíd want to buy (well unless the are lunatics)

If we had longer in the window to find someone who would be a better fit overall Iíd tend to agree with you. Even if we got £25m from a Leicester for example (I donít think we could sell him for any more than that) youíre hard pushed to find an alternative.

In time Iíd like think our new DoF could unearth one but at this late stage I think weíre going to have to go with him and try and make it work.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 29, 2018, 04:22:14 PM
If we had longer in the window to find someone who would be a better fit overall Iíd tend to agree with you. Even if we got £25m from a Leicester for example (I donít think we could sell him for any more than that) youíre hard pushed to find an alternative.

In time Iíd like think our new DoF could unearth one but at this late stage I think weíre going to have to go with him and try and make it work.

Yeah Iím talking more long term or ideal world than realistically. We are currently fighting fires all over the place. Least you know youíre gonna get a decent level of end product from sigurdsson. Just a crying shame we committed so much to a player that was never really going to be ideal in our team

Itís probably unfair but heís always gonna get judged against the massive fee and the fact that heís really not a playmaker
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TrevorSteven on July 29, 2018, 07:06:56 PM
Sigurdsson is the least of whats currently wrong with the side. He'll score 8-10 goals this season and 6 will be goal of the season contenders.

Sigurdsson is absolutely one of the big symbols of whats going wrong...He is actually the total opposite of what we needed and what we still need. I agree with the ones asking questions if they just bought out of statistics last year. I rememeber Koeman talking about buying a lot of players that all together could replace Lukakus goals but all they forgot was that the most important is the combination of skills from the 11 players playing, not the stats. We lack pace in the midfield and we lack creativity not a good striker on the ball running to slow.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TrevorSteven on July 29, 2018, 07:12:45 PM
Iíd be open to offers for the lot of them. sigurdsson 30m. Keane 15m. Morgan 20m. Gueye 25m

We should be determined to keep very few of them. A lot arenít very good but even beyond that they just donít fit together as a team. We need to start again.

Spot on, but I could see Gueye beeing good enough to stay if he got a creative partner. I dont think anyone would cry if we ended up selling Jagielka, Kenny, Martina, Davies, DCL and Niasse as well. Thats the worst sign of how bad our squad has become - we actually dont fear loosing any of our players...bad, bad sign.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 29, 2018, 07:26:12 PM
Absolute bare minimum we need a centre half, a left back and a playmaker. If we donít get at least that I think we are on for a season about as entertaining as last probably without so much luck when it comes to the results
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 29, 2018, 07:38:40 PM
Spot on, but I could see Gueye beeing good enough to stay if he got a creative partner. I dont think anyone would cry if we ended up selling Jagielka, Kenny, Martina, Davies, DCL and Niasse as well. Thats the worst sign of how bad our squad has become - we actually dont fear loosing any of our players...bad, bad sign.

I really dont get how fans want Kenny,DCL sold... they where both in the team for England that won the world cup!!  hell Davies would have been in that team too, if he didnt play 40 plus games the season before. They at the very minimum would be good squad players, instead of having to fork out millions more for squad players..
We also won the reserve league the season before last, with those same under23's you want us to sell.

shocking really. that people think these 22 and under players are not good enough already. (regardless of them achieving what they have already.. the core of that England team that won the world cup was Everton players, and as i pointed out.. we won the reserve league to with these same youngsters.)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: plumber on July 29, 2018, 07:50:08 PM
I really dont get how fans want Kenny,DCL sold... they where both in the team for England that won the world cup!!  hell Davies would have been in that team too, if he didnt play 40 plus games the season before. They at the very minimum would be good squad players, instead of having to fork out millions more for squad players..
We also won the reserve league the season before last, with those same under23's you want us to sell.

shocking really. that people think these 22 and under players are not good enough already. (regardless of them achieving what they have already.. the core of that England team that won the world cup was Everton players, and as i pointed out.. we won the reserve league to with these same youngsters.)

Winning kids world cup and reserve league mean fuck all really. (Not that I want us to sell Davies, DCL and Kenny, it's just an invalid reason).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 29, 2018, 07:58:03 PM
Winning kids world cup and reserve league mean fuck all really. (Not that I want us to sell Davies, DCL and Kenny, it's just an invalid reason).

it shows that the players are top tier of the level they're playing at. due to their age, their only going to get better.. i see it as pretty naive at wanting to get rid of them.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 29, 2018, 08:00:28 PM
I really dont get how fans want Kenny,DCL sold... they where both in the team for England that won the world cup!!  hell Davies would have been in that team too, if he didnt play 40 plus games the season before. They at the very minimum would be good squad players, instead of having to fork out millions more for squad players..
We also won the reserve league the season before last, with those same under23's you want us to sell.

shocking really. that people think these 22 and under players are not good enough already. (regardless of them achieving what they have already.. the core of that England team that won the world cup was Everton players, and as i pointed out.. we won the reserve league to with these same youngsters.)

Does the England thing really matter? U20s is a bit meaningless. The best under 20s play for the full side and the next best lot play for the u21s. Thereís probably quite a few in that squad who wonít make a decent impact at even championship level. Iím not saying thatís our players but I think winning it is a bit meaningless in terms of any likelihood of them going on to have really good careers
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TrevorSteven on July 29, 2018, 08:21:44 PM
I really dont get how fans want Kenny,DCL sold... they where both in the team for England that won the world cup!!  hell Davies would have been in that team too, if he didnt play 40 plus games the season before. They at the very minimum would be good squad players, instead of having to fork out millions more for squad players..
We also won the reserve league the season before last, with those same under23's you want us to sell.

shocking really. that people think these 22 and under players are not good enough already. (regardless of them achieving what they have already.. the core of that England team that won the world cup was Everton players, and as i pointed out.. we won the reserve league to with these same youngsters.)

I think it is only romantic to believe that they will go on to become stars in EPL. Jonjoe Kenny was disastrous last season but as he is one of our own we dont want to say it loud. He was a placefiller. DCL has no goals in him. Davies showed promise and could in my opinion become a squadplayer but he for sure not gonna dominate in a top club in EPL.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on July 29, 2018, 08:26:40 PM
Not sure we should be writing DCL off when the only chances he's had in the first team is when we've been shocking. He was being asked to create something out of nothing 90% of the time and was doing that while running himself into the ground.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 29, 2018, 08:30:46 PM
Not sure we should be writing DCL off when the only chances he's had in the first team is when we've been shocking. He was being asked to create something out of nothing 90% of the time and was doing that while running himself into the ground.

Could make that argument for most though. Maybe we shouldnít write any of them off cos theyíve all been shit together. The vast majority of them are part of the problem
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on July 29, 2018, 08:38:11 PM
Could make that argument for most though. Maybe we shouldnít write any of them off cos theyíve all been shit together. The vast majority of them are part of the problem

I think the youngsters in their first real season should be at the bottom of the list for those shouldering the blame.

Do you think DCL is as culpable as schniederlin, keane, or gueye?

I cant think of many young players of that age who could have made an impact in that team last season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 29, 2018, 10:03:58 PM
Just seen someone suggest on twitter that U23 striker Fraser Hornby deserves a chance in midfield.

Think the season of insanity is now truly upon us, and the only thing that will stop it is signing a few good players. Marcel, save us from ourselves please.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: DanDan on July 30, 2018, 02:09:43 AM
Pennington going on loan to Wigan according to Alan Nixon
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on July 30, 2018, 02:13:36 AM
Pennington going on loan to Wigan according to Alan Nixon

Poor Wigan.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on July 30, 2018, 02:13:45 AM
Pennington going on loan to Wigan according to Alan Nixon

With the aim of Wigan buying him after a successful season, presumably.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 30, 2018, 03:52:24 AM
and then we'll see half the Everton youngsters we've sold in the England team in 8 years time..

lol at downplayiing england winning the under 20 world cup. and 2 out of the last 3 toulon tournies..

i guess these same people want us to spend millions and have success straight away..

id rather build on the strong youth set up/squad.

Saying our youngsters where shit last season, when we had 2 very negative managers.. is pretty naive imho. especially if thats the only time you have seen those players play. then of course you view would be correct, but if you have seen them play much better for England and our reserve team.. then you may think differently.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on July 30, 2018, 03:56:29 AM
it shows that the players are top tier of the level they're playing at. due to their age, their only going to get better.. i see it as pretty naive at wanting to get rid of them.
It genuinely doesn't show they're top tier as a majority of the better players in that age group don't play in the same competition. All it means is we've got a lot of good 23year olds that aren't good enough to get In the full strength team
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 04:05:17 AM
and then we'll see half the Everton youngsters we've sold in the England team in 8 years time..

Highly unlikely though isn't it. You're still banging on about the youth even though as said already, there's very few of them will have a Premier League, never mind England career. Winning the U20 world cup and U23 league is great but the quality is a lot lower than the Premier League and in reality most will finish up in the Championship or lower, some unfortunately won't even make a career in football. The only thing that's naive is for you to think that of the current crop around the squad we've got a handful or more youngsters who'll make a career with us.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on July 30, 2018, 04:23:48 AM
I think it is only romantic to believe that they will go on to become stars in EPL. Jonjoe Kenny was disastrous last season but as he is one of our own we dont want to say it loud. He was a placefiller. DCL has no goals in him. Davies showed promise and could in my opinion become a squadplayer but he for sure not gonna dominate in a top club in EPL.
.....................extremely harsh on Kenny there. Local lad or not .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on July 30, 2018, 04:34:03 AM
Itís unusual for the under 21 squads to mirror what will happen in future England squads. The England squad that got to the semis of the World Cup, how many were former under 21s?

Ultimately if young players continue to produce, keep them. If they donít, sell.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 30, 2018, 04:55:03 AM
Looks like Galloway is going and isnít happy. Posted an insta of him in an Everton top & captains armband with these emojis :
😤💭💙

I guess heís pissed off thinking about Everton? Welcome to the club mate!

Hands up - I actually really liked the look of Galloway, even at LB I thought he looked like he had prem potential.

Feels like he hasnít played a game for about 2 years though, clearly canít be all that if he hasnít been able to force his way into this side or Sunderland or WBA.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 02:38:31 PM
Wasn't he bought as a centre half then filled in at left back to cover Baines' injury, did okay but then his career nosedived ever since. Feel for him when you look at the managers he's played under in his career so far.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on July 30, 2018, 03:01:08 PM
He's poor, no loss to us whatsoever
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 30, 2018, 03:26:54 PM
out of our current squad, id only keep

Pickford
Kenny
Coleman
Holgate
Gana
Besic
DCL
Dowell
Siggy
Vlasic
Walcott
Davies
Tosun
Niasse


for me, the others can all go.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on July 30, 2018, 03:56:57 PM
When will McCarthy be back?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 03:58:42 PM
out of our current squad, id only keep

Pickford
Kenny
Coleman
Holgate
Gana
Besic
DCL
Dowell
Siggy
Vlasic
Walcott
Davies
Tosun
Niasse


for me, the others can all go.

Richarlison surely deserves more of a chance mate? I know Everton fans can be brutal but he's only played 2 games  ;D
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on July 30, 2018, 04:03:38 PM
When will McCarthy be back?

whenever Ireland have a meaningless friendly
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 04:03:46 PM
When will McCarthy be back?

Don't know don't care. He's another that should have been shipped out a long time ago.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 30, 2018, 04:11:11 PM
Don't know don't care. He's another that should have been shipped out a long time ago.
Think Silva will like him tbh
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on July 30, 2018, 04:14:13 PM
He's poor, no loss to us whatsoever
/............you can't say he's poor when he hasn't played for us in 2 years.  As @Lxxx (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362)  says he was decent when we last saw him but his loan spells have been disastrous for the lad. Not his fault but he needs to find a new club and start over.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on July 30, 2018, 04:17:18 PM
whenever Ireland have a meaningless friendly

Haha. I.like that one..very bloody true
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on July 30, 2018, 04:24:32 PM
/............you can't say he's poor when he hasn't played for us in 2 years.  As @Lxxx (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362)  says he was decent when we last saw him but his loan spells have been disastrous for the lad. Not his fault but he needs to find a new club and start over.
He is too lightweight and beaten too easily to be a good defender.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 30, 2018, 04:34:13 PM
Richarlison surely deserves more of a chance mate? I know Everton fans can be brutal but he's only played 2 games  ;D

lol obviously, we're not going to sell someone who we bought a few days ago:p

unless this is like hte Unsworth saga in reverse....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 30, 2018, 04:37:43 PM
Dont be too hasty, if someone came in with a 40-50 million bid for Richarlison, I'd flog him, get 2 decent centre backs and put Lookman wide left :D
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 04:43:20 PM
Think Silva will like him tbh

Can't see how any manager can like him. Hides from the football, always plays a negative pass when he has it, soft in the head, prioritises country over club and runs around the pitch like a Jack Russell chasing a crisp packet on a windy day. Oh and he's made of paper mache. Stealing a living.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on July 30, 2018, 06:57:24 PM
Can't see how any manager can like him. Hides from the football, always plays a negative pass when he has it, soft in the head, prioritises country over club and runs around the pitch like a Jack Russell chasing a crisp packet on a windy day. Oh and he's made of paper mache. Stealing a living.

And yet is still probably better than anyone else we have cm.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 30, 2018, 07:05:40 PM
Quite possibly, Holgate aside, but that is currently - if thats the case in two weeks time, then fair enough...
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 08:56:00 PM
New contract for Stekelenburg, one year extension.

https://twitter.com/LivEchoEFC/status/1023926808432074752
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on July 30, 2018, 09:18:12 PM
New contract for Stekelenburg, one year extension.

https://twitter.com/LivEchoEFC/status/1023926808432074752

...............why have they done this ,he's pretty gash . Oh I know ,Pickford must be going   ::)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 09:19:47 PM
To be fair, he's an experienced keeper, who's happy to be No. 2 and won't be on a fortune. Probably just a sensible decision. Pickford played every PL game last season so let's hope for the same again.
Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Free Agent on July 30, 2018, 09:29:11 PM
Steks signed a new contract
Being honest, I wouldíve liked a better keeper to come in but I guess Brands & Silva have their hands full with other areas of the pitch at present  :eh:
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 09:35:00 PM
Steks signed a new contract
Being honest, I wouldíve liked a better keeper to come in but I guess Brands & Silva have their hands full with other areas of the pitch at present  :eh:

Yeesh.  That's discouraging.  He is...not usable over even a short length of time, really.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on July 30, 2018, 09:37:26 PM
Heís fine as a back up keeper - especially for where we are.

Plus no one of potential starter quality is going to come as they know they wonít be challenging Pickford.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Hawkandro on July 30, 2018, 09:38:23 PM
Steks signed a new contract
Being honest, I wouldíve liked a better keeper to come in but I guess Brands & Silva have their hands full with other areas of the pitch at present  :eh:

Probably for the best, seeing as our Captain appears to be trying to sell him.

https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/1023910769761628161
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on July 30, 2018, 09:40:27 PM
To be fair, he's an experienced keeper, who's happy to be No. 2 and won't be on a fortune. Probably just a sensible decision. Pickford played every PL game last season so let's hope for the same again.
.....................yes he's ok as cover for this season and already under contract .I don'r see the point in giving him an extension.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 09:41:14 PM
The sooner Jagielka is stripped of the captaincy, the better. Solid defender in his day (now past), but he's never been a good captain.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 09:41:23 PM
Jags wants the #1 job, now that he's getting too slow for CB!  :D
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on July 30, 2018, 09:42:50 PM
He's right though. He's just saying what any of us would say. If someone offers between £100m and £150m then he's getting sold, and rightly so.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 30, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
Heís fine as a back up keeper - especially for where we are.

Plus no one of potential starter quality is going to come as they know they wonít be challenging Pickford.

Chelsea signed Rob Green, Man Utd got Lee Grant.... Silva has said he wants three keepers, the third tends to be the old experienced player.... so maybe we will get another in.... or not.... who knows
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 30, 2018, 09:59:02 PM
lol, Stek is saying he has 16 years of experience to teach Pickford.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Everton Mint on July 30, 2018, 10:02:26 PM
Grim squad full of has-beens, dead-wood and pure losers.

Its a disgrace that we have been left in this position and it will take forever to put right.

All the money wasted on new crap while the old faithfuls have been left playing and flogged to death.

Another desperate year coming up trying to survive and buy half a new team.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 30, 2018, 10:04:23 PM
I'm happy with Stek signing...

...as long as he doesnt play any League or Cup games if Pickford is fit :D
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on July 30, 2018, 10:12:19 PM
Chelsea have just signed 38 year old Rob Green as a backup. Stekelenburg is fine.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 30, 2018, 10:12:56 PM
Damn, wasted opportunity there - I hear he can play Centre Back.
Title: Stekelenburg
Post by: Escla on July 30, 2018, 10:36:16 PM
Delighted to see him get a new contract, as good a no.2 you could expect with no European games.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on July 30, 2018, 10:37:07 PM
So are we doing anything with the midfield?

Schneiderlin-Gana-Sigurdsson is a recipe for getting counterattacked to death.

And the issue isn't just Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 10:39:59 PM
So are we doing anything with the midfield?

Schneiderlin-Gana-Sigurdsson is a recipe for getting counterattacked to death.

And the issue isn't just Schneiderlin.

I think we're hoping Davies and Beni suddenly come of age this season. We have huge holes in this squad so one or two of the kids have got to step up to the plate as we're not bringing in another 3-4 you wouldn't have thought. I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on July 30, 2018, 10:44:12 PM
I think we're hoping Davies and Beni suddenly come of age this season. We have huge holes in this squad so one or two of the kids have got to step up to the plate as we're not bringing in another 3-4 you wouldn't have thought. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm not against bigger roles for the kids. (I'd add Dowell to that list.)

What I'm currently worried about is that Silva seems to see the aforementioned three as first choice. Three players that don't move or show for the ball much, can't make forward passes stick, and can't dribble through pressure seems... bad.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 10:52:12 PM
I'm not against bigger roles for the kids. (I'd add Dowell to that list.)

What I'm currently worried about is that Silva seems to see the aforementioned three as first choice. Three players that don't move or show for the ball much, can't make forward passes stick, and can't dribble through pressure seems... bad.

He can probably see what we see but he's addressing one gap at a time. The left hand side of the pitch, neglected for years, has now been addressed so we can attack down either flank again. Next will be trying to plug the gaping hole in the centre of the defence and finally the midfield. Not sure we'll be able to address it all in one window but I'm sure they're working on it.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 10:57:45 PM
Assuming Digne is done, one CB* and one CM** at the very least would be a big step in the right direction.

*With pace, can defend.
** Can pass forward.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on July 30, 2018, 11:01:23 PM
He can probably see what we see but he's addressing one gap at a time. The left hand side of the pitch, neglected for years, has now been addressed so we can attack down either flank again. Next will be trying to plug the gaping hole in the centre of the defence and finally the midfield. Not sure we'll be able to address it all in one window but I'm sure they're working on it.

I see your point.

Still, I'd argue that the lack of control in the middle of the park has as much to do with our bad defending as the defenders themselves.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on July 30, 2018, 11:04:06 PM
Gueye can't create anything. He's a an 9ut and out defensive midfielder.
Schneirderlin has ability to pass but he's lazy and doesn't get stuck in.
Davies (I'm sorry) from what i watch is a bit of a headless chicken. Often overruns the ball when he has it. Often gives ball away when passing and too many Petulant fouls given away if opposition get the hop on him. To me he's an all rounder but not overly special at anything (waits for abuse from you lot)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TrevorSteven on July 30, 2018, 11:22:27 PM
and then we'll see half the Everton youngsters we've sold in the England team in 8 years time..

lol at downplayiing england winning the under 20 world cup. and 2 out of the last 3 toulon tournies..

i guess these same people want us to spend millions and have success straight away..

id rather build on the strong youth set up/squad.

Saying our youngsters where shit last season, when we had 2 very negative managers.. is pretty naive imho. especially if thats the only time you have seen those players play. then of course you view would be correct, but if you have seen them play much better for England and our reserve team.. then you may think differently.

It was easy to see in the England Youth Team that Solanke was a far better player than DCL. I also would like Everton to build a strong youth-setup but as long most of those players are picked up from Ireland and Liverpool it wont happen. Look at City - They pick the best 15,16 yrs old from all over the world. Thats the way to do it.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 30, 2018, 11:38:21 PM
I see your point.

Still, I'd argue that the lack of control in the middle of the park has as much to do with our bad defending as the defenders themselves.

The more control we have the less we would need a duracell rabbit tackle machine that canít do anything other than that as well. The eventuality that Gana must be moved aside is coming I think.

Schneiderlin; think weíre going with him for the year as the number 6. Missed Carvalho, missed bissouma, MAYBE getting gonalons who is nothing special himself - think itís Morganís place to lose unfortunately.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on July 30, 2018, 11:38:42 PM
Chelsea have just signed 38 year old Rob Green as a backup. Stekelenburg is fine.
......................yes he is . My question was - why give him an extension ? We should be looking at a better no.2 for next season .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on July 30, 2018, 11:42:59 PM
The more control we have the less we would need a duracell rabbit tackle machine that canít do anything other than that as well. The eventuality that Gana must be moved aside is coming I think.

Schneiderlin; think weíre going with him for the year as the number 6. Missed Carvalho, missed bissouma, MAYBE getting gonalons who is nothing special himself - think itís Morganís place to lose unfortunately.

Gonalons would be a huge waste of a transfer.

An old, defense-first midfielder is the absolute last thing we need. Unless he has some sort of impressive passing ability I don't know about.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on July 30, 2018, 11:47:31 PM
The more control we have the less we would need a duracell rabbit tackle machine that canít do anything other than that as well. The eventuality that Gana must be moved aside is coming I think.

; think weíre going with him for the year as the number 6. Missed Carvalho, missed bissouma, MAYBE getting gonalons who is nothing special himself - think itís Morganís place to lose unfortunately.
You know what Schneiderlin really gets on My tits as you know he's got it in his locker but never seems to motivate himself. Watching the friendly the other day he sprayed some lovely balls about at times then just disappears and gets overun.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 11:49:48 PM
......................yes he is . My question was - why give him an extension ? We should be looking at a better no.2 for next season .

Unless he had another offer and we needed to offer him an extra year to secure this coming season. Sometimes needs must when we have about 100 other issues to sort ahead of this one.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Nicco on July 30, 2018, 11:51:33 PM
......................yes he is . My question was - why give him an extension ? We should be looking at a better no.2 for next season .
Could be that or DoF has some brain and is thinking two seasons ahead.

We know that the media has already started the quest to move Pickford to one of their favoured clubs.


And with second choice keeper already in place IF Pickford moves we only have to find a first choice keeper, not a first AND second choice keeper.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: DanDan on July 31, 2018, 12:42:21 AM
......................yes he is . My question was - why give him an extension ? We should be looking at a better no.2 for next season .

We could have even given him the extra year security on his contract by maybe reducing his weekly wage slightly
Title: Stekelenburg
Post by: Escla on July 31, 2018, 05:06:02 AM
Said I was pleased to see he had been given a new contract but thread was deleted, donít understand why ?
Title: Re: Stekelenburg
Post by: Alanvideo on July 31, 2018, 05:10:47 AM
Said I was pleased to see he had been given a new contract but thread was deleted, donít understand why ?
........its been moved to 'what to we do with our current squad'
Title: Re: Stekelenburg
Post by: Gash on July 31, 2018, 05:24:51 AM
Said I was pleased to see he had been given a new contract but thread was deleted, donít understand why ?

It was lobbed into the current squad thread as it had already been mentioned in there a few times.
Title: Re: Stekelenburg
Post by: Escla on July 31, 2018, 12:14:41 PM
It was lobbed into the current squad thread as it had already been mentioned in there a few times.
Thanks
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on July 31, 2018, 12:35:12 PM
......................yes he is . My question was - why give him an extension ? We should be looking at a better no.2 for next season .

Unless Pickford is injured I canít see him getting a game unless a Cup game against seriously lower division, think heís fine.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: bluenuck on July 31, 2018, 01:04:12 PM
The more control we have the less we would need a duracell rabbit tackle machine that canít do anything other than that as well. The eventuality that Gana must be moved aside is coming I think.

Schneiderlin; think weíre going with him for the year as the number 6. Missed Carvalho, missed bissouma, MAYBE getting gonalons who is nothing special himself - think itís Morganís place to lose unfortunately.

The more control we have in mid field the better out CB's will look. I've said this in another thread; we need a beast of a CM before a CB. Buying a Good CB won't matter if we don't fix our mid field. He will look like shit cause our mid field is shit.

We need to have better control of the mid field in games. We lose that battle every day.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on July 31, 2018, 01:32:12 PM
I can see him going for docoure..

As I say I’ve gone off the idea but if it’s him or no one then I’d say him. He’ll end up costing about £40m tho
Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Hawkandro on July 31, 2018, 04:20:32 PM
Murmurings of Williams to Swansea on Twitter.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on July 31, 2018, 04:24:10 PM
Murmurings of Williams to Swansea on Twitter.
Murmurings you say, shout it from the roof tops
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on July 31, 2018, 04:48:53 PM
Murmurings of Williams to Swansea on Twitter.
Murmur louder !
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 31, 2018, 05:16:14 PM
Murmurings of Williams to Swansea on Twitter.

Yeh have read that quite a bit. Would make sense now they're looking for a championship level centre half. 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 31, 2018, 05:25:15 PM
My mates a Swansea fan, just seen him now and he said that Williams is defo going back to Swansea this window
Be made up if true
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on July 31, 2018, 05:26:17 PM
My mates a Swansea fan, just seen him now and he said that Williams is defo going back to Swansea this window
Be made up if true

Think everyone will be made up if true, well except the Swansea fans when they see him in action!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on July 31, 2018, 05:26:58 PM
They won't be able to pay his wages in the championship. Some compromise will have to be reached financially.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on July 31, 2018, 05:28:56 PM
They won't be able to pay his wages in the championship. Some compromise will have to be reached financially.

They get parachute payments for the first X number of years so should be able to afford more than most in the league, plus at his age the deal might be for an extra year with a lower wage?
Title: New Topic
Post by: Macca77 on August 01, 2018, 05:40:11 PM
Stoke and Swansea want Williams, let the bidding war commence,

Who'll start off at a quid
£2
£5
£10 anyone? Anyone at all? OK how about £7.50.....? No, £6.70?

The bid is £6.70, going once, going twice

FUCKING SOLD!!!
Title: Re: New Topic
Post by: Ramjam on August 01, 2018, 05:41:19 PM
Stoke and Swansea want Williams, let the bidding war commence,

Who'll start off at a quid
£2
£5
£10 anyone? Anyone at all? OK how about £7.50.....? No, £6.70?

The bid is £6.70, going once, going twice

FUCKING SOLD!!!
6.7m beautiful
Title: Re: New Topic
Post by: Danny on August 01, 2018, 05:59:27 PM
Stoke and Swansea want Williams, let the bidding war commence,

Who'll start off at a quid
£2
£5
£10 anyone? Anyone at all? OK how about £7.50.....? No, £6.70?

The bid is £6.70, going once, going twice

FUCKING SOLD!!!

Stoke want a loan apparently.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on August 01, 2018, 06:20:44 PM
Stoke want him too.
Title: Re: New Topic
Post by: Macca77 on August 01, 2018, 06:25:55 PM
Stoke want a loan apparently.

He's keen to go there as well
Title: Re: New Topic
Post by: Goaljira on August 01, 2018, 06:26:06 PM
Stoke want a loan apparently.

Still trying to keep that Stoke-a-loaner name going.
Title: Re: New Topic
Post by: velimski on August 01, 2018, 06:33:47 PM
Stoke want a loan apparently.

He's coming into the last year of his contract so whether it's a loan or permanent, we wouldn't be seeing him again.

That in itself is a reason to rejoice.

Small loan fee and get him off the wage bill.

Job done.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 01, 2018, 06:34:57 PM
Stoke want him too.

A bidding war? For Ashley Williams?! The world is coming to an end
Title: Re: New Topic
Post by: Free Agent on August 01, 2018, 06:35:17 PM
 I wanted to see him at Cardiff this season  :evil:
Title: Re: New Topic
Post by: blue slug on August 01, 2018, 06:39:35 PM
Fuck loaning the nobber, sell him for 2m and be done with it
Title: Re: New Topic
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 01, 2018, 06:44:04 PM
Stoke want a loan apparently.

Is the relegation parachute payment not enough for the mutants hahahahahahahahaaaaaa....
Title: Re: Summer signings
Post by: Brownie on August 01, 2018, 07:20:55 PM
I wanted to see him at Cardiff this season  :evil:

Fuck off
Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on August 01, 2018, 08:55:49 PM
Fella who broke the Richarlison story is saying Williams to stoke looks likely.

Also confirms our interest in the stoke midfielder.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on August 01, 2018, 08:58:02 PM
Fella who broke the Richarlison story is saying Williams to stoke looks likely.

Also confirms our interest in the stoke midfielder.



Ah well, if this gets rid of Williams and Schneiderlin in one fell swoop then Iím all for it
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on August 01, 2018, 09:41:32 PM
Williams off for the year and then we can release him at the end of the season, celebrate good times come on!

Know nothing about the stoke midfielder. - We must be moving on schneiderlin if were bringing another 6 in??
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on August 02, 2018, 02:24:20 PM
Joyce just tweeted...

Ashley Williams, Kevin Mirallas, Cuco Martina and Nikola Vlasic have been told to train away from Everton’s first team squad by Marco Silva.





I’m surprised re Vlasic but ruthless all the same.

(Pochettino does this type of thing - see Lennon)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on August 02, 2018, 02:31:15 PM
Joyce just tweeted...

Ashley Williams, Kevin Mirallas, Cuco Martina and Nikola Vlasic have been told to train away from Evertonís first team squad by Marco Silva.





Iím surprised re Vlasic but ruthless all the same.

(Pochettino does this type of thing - see Lennon)

Happy with this, don't really get the hype with Vlasic at all, that said, he's a decent squad player so I hope he stays. Swap him for Besic and they can all fuck all
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 02, 2018, 02:31:48 PM
Joyce just tweeted...

Ashley Williams, Kevin Mirallas, Cuco Martina and Nikola Vlasic have been told to train away from Evertonís first team squad by Marco Silva.





Iím surprised re Vlasic but ruthless all the same.

(Pochettino does this type of thing - see Lennon)

Vlasic is supposed to have a suspect temperament as well so that might factor into it (as well as him being largely disappointing since heís been here).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on August 02, 2018, 02:34:07 PM
Heres the tweet, once again the amount of comments from redshites is ridiculous

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1024917387492118528
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 02, 2018, 02:34:32 PM
Joyce just tweeted...

Ashley Williams, Kevin Mirallas, Cuco Martina and Nikola Vlasic have been told to train away from Evertonís first team squad by Marco Silva.





Iím surprised re Vlasic but ruthless all the same.

(Pochettino does this type of thing - see Lennon)

Got to say, slightly taken aback by how cut throat this is, but i canít pan him for it because Iíve spent all summer moaning about players of this calibre turning out for us next year.

Fee for Cuco, whoís only crime was to be a terrible purchase.

Hopefully Williams can go somewhere and be productive with his remaining pro years.

Mirallas has his opportunity in a shite league for a team he courted for ages...and produced nothing, while being disruptive.

Finally Vlasic - to be fair nobody has fancied him so far and beyond looking bright in bits and bobs, heís not really done anything has he.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on August 02, 2018, 02:36:08 PM
Wish I couldíve been there to see Mirallas take the news heís back with the under 23s.

Might as well give him a contract with them the fucking beaut.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on August 02, 2018, 02:36:44 PM
Williams to Stoke could be done today.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lazarou on August 02, 2018, 02:37:12 PM
Heres the tweet, once again the amount of comments from redshites is ridiculous

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1024917387492118528

(https://media.giphy.com/media/FlHsBSjHXgBMY/giphy.gif)

Did not expect that this fine Thursday morning.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: DanDan on August 02, 2018, 02:41:02 PM
That also means their agents will be trying to sort out a deal before the end of the month otherwise they wont be playing any football until January
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 02, 2018, 02:41:39 PM
Another three Koeman/Walsh purchases bite the dust. Fuckin wrecking ball those two, the damage they did.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 02, 2018, 03:23:23 PM
Wonder if Bolasie is in and around the squad then?

Mirallas off/banished, Walcott injured with no preseason, Lookman maybe going, but no mention of yala.

Heís not been posting training snaps or insta vids with the boys tho, so maybe heís a bit out in the cold an all..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on August 02, 2018, 03:30:30 PM
Wonder if Bolasie is in and around the squad then?

Mirallas off/banished, Walcott injured with no preseason, Lookman maybe going, but no mention of yala.

Heís not been posting training snaps or insta vids with the boys tho, so maybe heís a bit out in the cold an all..

Just presumed that Fenerbache will wait until the last minute (eg 31st August) to push for a loan so that weíll take a lower deal.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 02, 2018, 03:31:09 PM
Wonder if Bolasie is in and around the squad then?

Mirallas off/banished, Walcott injured with no preseason, Lookman maybe going, but no mention of yala.

He's not been posting training snaps or insta vids with the boys tho, so maybe he's a bit out in the cold an all..
Sounds like his Turkey move is on hold until/if we bring in a forward.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 02, 2018, 05:07:00 PM
Sounds like his Turkey move is on hold until/if we bring in a forward.

Okay fine with that.

Personally think he could still be an option if we donít sign anyone. In terms of getting up the pitch by dribbling he wonít be as good as Richarlison but he can do it.


Needs to bin the footroll until he gets the fullback squared up tho.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on August 02, 2018, 05:08:49 PM
I hope never to see the likes of yannick bolasie play for us again.

Horrible footballer.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 02, 2018, 05:32:13 PM
I hope never to see the likes of yannick bolasie play for us again.

Horrible footballer.

Mate of mine is a Palace fan and loves him. Which I think says more about Palace fans than Bolasie.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on August 02, 2018, 05:40:46 PM
Do these players lose their lockers too?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on August 02, 2018, 05:43:22 PM
Mate of mine is a Palace fan and loves him. Which I think says more about Palace fans than Bolasie.

Produced his best football for them, hasn't he? So it's natural to have that attachment and those memories.

Some of our lot can be a bit like that about Mirallas, harking back to his best moments years ago, and completely ignoring the years of shite he's served up since.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 02, 2018, 05:53:12 PM
Produced his best football for them, hasn't he? So it's natural to have that attachment and those memories.

Some of our lot can be a bit like that about Mirallas, harking back to his best moments years ago, and completely ignoring the years of shite he's served up since.

He also said he only showed up really for about half a dozen games a year, the big games he knew were going to be on Match of the Day later, so the tricks and actual taking players on came out. Says it all really.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 02, 2018, 08:17:29 PM
I hope never to see the likes of yannick bolasie play for us again.

Horrible footballer.

Terrible purchase, but i like him.

https://understat.com/player/518

Filter for 16/17 and he profiles like a dangerous old fashioned winger who will get you assists. More key passes per 90 during that period, and more assists per 90 than Gylfi last year.

Filter for a year later and heís dreadful. Nothing player.

Hope the injury hasnít ruined him but I think he could be useful. I hope he could be useful.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ravardo on August 03, 2018, 12:46:21 AM
Just seen holgates got number 2 shirt,,Schneiderlin no. 18 and siggy no.10
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on August 03, 2018, 12:48:04 AM
Fair play to whoever made Schneiderlin give up #2.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on August 03, 2018, 12:55:44 AM
Been on the cards since he wore 18 against Rennes.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on August 03, 2018, 12:58:10 AM
Just seen holgates got number 2 shirt,,Schneiderlin no. 18 and siggy no.10

Iím guessing Holgate is Williams replacement alongside Jags.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on August 03, 2018, 04:49:00 AM
Coleman should be number 2.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 03, 2018, 04:58:26 AM
Iím guessing Holgate is Williams replacement alongside Jags.

I was hoping that number meant Silva rates my man Holgate after all.  Just keeping him in bubble wrap until Wolves (or maybe this final warmup).  Why he only wants one CB?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 03, 2018, 06:42:58 PM
Whatever we do with the squad it we need to have some kind of strategy. Pochettino has guided Spurs to three top 4 finishes on the bounce with a net spend of £40m and brought them into a brand new stadium. That's got to be the model now as we approach BMD. It can be done with everyone on the same page.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on August 03, 2018, 06:46:12 PM
Robinson has joined Wigan on loan
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 03, 2018, 06:51:58 PM
Whatever we do with the squad it we need to have some kind of strategy. Pochettino has guided Spurs to three top 4 finishes on the bounce with a net spend of £40m and brought them into a brand new stadium. That's got to be the model now as we approach BMD. It can be done with everyone on the same page.

Selling Bale for 90 million helped give them a starting boost. And with the emergence of Kane and Alli also. And building from a firm foundation of excellent defenders, with a decent keeper - their story is quite a bit different to ours :) But yes, it can be done with a bit of luck. Generally its investment, investment, investment. Fingers crossed were on our way too.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on August 03, 2018, 06:57:19 PM
Selling Bale for 90 million helped, back then. Having Kane and Alli pop up also helped, and from a firm foundation of excellent defenders, with a decent keeper - their story is quite a bit different to ours :) But yes, it can be done with a bit of luck. Generally its investment, investment, investment. Fingers crossed were on our way too.

They completely wasted the Bale money. That was a different era. AVB etc

Also, they bought Alli, he didn't just pop up.

It wasn't luck. Poch is a superb manager.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on August 03, 2018, 06:57:41 PM
Robinson has joined Wigan on loan

Thought Pennington was going there?

Think that'll be a better move for Robinson than Bolton. Expecting Wigan to have a decent season after what they did in league one.

Seems like they don't have any LBs in their squad (at the moment) as well.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on August 03, 2018, 06:58:16 PM
Robinson has joined Wigan on loan

They are also after Pennington according to Alan Myers.

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/1025333943120408577
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 03, 2018, 06:59:23 PM
Selling Bale for 90 million helped, back then. Having Kane and Alli pop up also helped, and from a firm foundation of excellent defenders, with a decent keeper - their story is quite a bit different to ours :) But yes, it can be done with a bit of luck. Generally its investment, investment, investment. Fingers crossed were on our way too.

We sold a player for £90m not 12 months ago. It just takes a lot of sensible decisions when it comes to transfers from here on in but there's no reason we can't progress and still pay for a new stadium in the next few years. The signings of Dyne and Richarlison have reinforced my belief we'll have some structure and common sense moving forwards.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 03, 2018, 07:02:21 PM
They completely wasted the Bale money. That was a different era. AVB etc

Also, they bought Alli, he didn't just pop up.

It wasn't luck. Poch is a superb manager.

I didnt say it was luck, and totally agree Poch is a superb manager. Alli was bought a few years ago as a kid for 5 mil. Great business, Kane being the best/one of the best strikers in the Prem also helped. Of couse, like everything there are a number of factors. Though Arsenal fans will ask them where the trophies area :D
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 03, 2018, 07:07:04 PM
We sold a player for £90m not 12 months ago. It just takes a lot of sensible decisions when it comes to transfers from here on in but there's no reason we can't progress and still pay for a new stadium in the next few years. The signings of Dyne and Richarlison have reinforced my belief we'll have some structure and common sense moving forwards.

Yes, the signings of Digne and Richarlison, as I have said many times strike a new high, even losing a stalwart but ageing Baines, addressing the left side issue that weve all been screaming for has finally been sorted. It seems they are on the same wavelength as most of us, compared to last seaons events. I have no doubt that they are looking hard for a CB and probably a box to box mid, and with a bit of luck someone to push Tosun, if not replace him. I think with the new top brass team in place, and moving to the Liver Birds, etc. is starting to show us and the football community as a whole, that we are heading towards being a bit more "big time" thinking and having a bit more ambition, rather than just plodding through and treading water, as weve seen in the past. Things seem definitely on the up, slowly but surely, at last. We're not that far away...
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on August 03, 2018, 07:42:08 PM
New three year deal for Robinson as well. Looks like we've handled this one perfectly, and kept the young lad onside with the idea of developing and coming back here to compete for a place in the future:

Quote
''It means everything to me to sign this new deal,Ē Robinson, who joined Evertonís Academy at 11 years old, told evertontv.

ďEveryone has looked after me here at Everton, all the coaches, all the staff.

ďThe lads who Iíve grown up playing with are all doing well and prospering and I want to be the next one to break through, like so many of my mates have.Ē

Kudos to Brands, Silva and Unsworth etc.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on August 03, 2018, 09:25:11 PM
New three year deal for Robinson as well. Looks like we've handled this one perfectly, and kept the young lad onside with the idea of developing and coming back here to compete for a place in the future:

Kudos to Brands, Silva and Unsworth etc.

Aye.  Sign him to a new deal, send him away to play for another year, then he can come back as second choice LB when Baines leaves next summer.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 03, 2018, 09:37:19 PM
Hang on lads we're in danger of future proofing our left hand side here for the next decade. What the fuck is Brands playing at?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on August 03, 2018, 09:42:55 PM
High hopes for this lad.

Looks miles off at the moment though.

Another year out on loan will do him good. As well as some games for America.

Should be looking to displace Baines next year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on August 04, 2018, 04:13:13 PM
Bye bye Kev. Loan deal sorted. Just needs to pass his medical
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 04, 2018, 04:39:16 PM
Bye bye Kev. Loan deal sorted. Just needs to pass his medical

Absolutely the right decision though seems odd given heís 1 thatís been given minutes pre season and been better than most

Unfortunately heíll probably be back again next season. Him and Pennington were extremely off renewals. Sometimes players donít have great value we need to product with a new contract
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on August 04, 2018, 04:43:44 PM
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1025673728494063617

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on August 04, 2018, 04:46:41 PM
I love the deals we are making in terms of trimming the fat. Some big names on big money have headed out.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: toffee_scot on August 04, 2018, 07:12:42 PM
So in terms of outgoings:

Robles
Rooney
Funes Mori
Williams (loan)
Klaassen
Mirallas (loan)
Garbutt (loan)
Tarashaj (loan)

Not done too badly there, we will probably send out a few more on loan like Galloway, Bolasie, Pennington, Martina and Vlasic by next week or the end of the month (if clubs abroad are interested).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on August 04, 2018, 08:06:06 PM
Whatever we do with the squad it we need to have some kind of strategy. Pochettino has guided Spurs to three top 4 finishes on the bounce with a net spend of £40m and brought them into a brand new stadium. That's got to be the model now as we approach BMD. It can be done with everyone on the same page.
He's done a great job hasn't he. Tbf it helps if you get one of the best strikers in the world through the youth system saving probs 100m plus....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 04, 2018, 09:34:17 PM
He's done a great job hasn't he. Tbf it helps if you get one of the best strikers in the world through the youth system saving probs 100m plus....

Okay, letís for arguments sake say he bought a £100m striker instead of inheriting Kane. To do what heís done on £140m would be just as impressive.

Heís just a very, very good manager with a sensible chairman who knows how to handle the finances well.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 04, 2018, 10:57:48 PM
Okay, letís for arguments sake say he bought a £100m striker instead of inheriting Kane. To do what heís done on £140m would be just as impressive.

Heís just a very, very good manager with a sensible chairman who knows how to handle the finances well.

Kane is closer to 200m in this market and heís a player who they couldnít otherwise attract. Beyond that though heís still done a fantastic job
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on August 04, 2018, 11:10:12 PM
Okay, letís for arguments sake say he bought a £100m striker instead of inheriting Kane. To do what heís done on £140m would be just as impressive.

Heís just a very, very good manager with a sensible chairman who knows how to handle the finances well.
True says
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on August 05, 2018, 02:42:49 AM
Okay, letís for arguments sake say he bought a £100m striker instead of inheriting Kane. To do what heís done on £140m would be just as impressive.

Heís just a very, very good manager with a sensible chairman who knows how to handle the finances well.

Aside the fact Spurs would never be allowed to spend anywhere near that ever on a player ...not even close ...so its dumb luck in reality ...the argument is there any top eight team with a player like kane has a chane of a class season ....until the last few weeks when it all goes to shit historically a la spurs .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 05, 2018, 03:10:19 AM
Aside the fact Spurs would never be allowed to spend anywhere near that ever on a player ...not even close ...so its dumb luck in reality ...the argument is there any top eight team with a player like kane has a chane of a class season ....until the last few weeks when it all goes to shit historically a la spurs .

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Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 05, 2018, 03:18:11 AM
Kane is closer to 200m in this market and heís a player who they couldnít otherwise attract. Beyond that though heís still done a fantastic job

We attracted one of the most prolific strikers in world football past few years, easily in Kaneís tier of top strikers. So that argument doesnít hold water. We paid £28m so in reality the difference wasnít that much. The main factor is we never had managers who could get the best out of him. Poch built high energy sides who got the ball back to front quickly, we didnít.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 05, 2018, 03:47:38 AM
I'm sure Arry got Spurs finishing top 4 before he left.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 05, 2018, 04:05:08 AM
To be honest I am a bit concerned about how easy we look to score against.

That team tat started first half was pretty much our first team for the year, minus stek for picks and being honest the goals were not steks fault really. We are still allowing a LOT of shots in dangerous areas.

Pretty much every attack seems to end in a do or die moment for our defence. Surely must be a systemic issue? Or like individual player quality is it? Both sides of the pitch, cut through. Crosses from all angles are reaching their destination. Cut backs are finding their man alone on the six yard box.

Itís not just the back four. Itís the lack of control and the way we deal with counter attacks.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on August 05, 2018, 04:35:02 AM
To be honest I am a bit concerned about how easy we look to score against.

That team tat started first half was pretty much our first team for the year, minus stek for picks and being honest the goals were not steks fault really. We are still allowing a LOT of shots in dangerous areas.

Pretty much every attack seems to end in a do or die moment for our defence. Surely must be a systemic issue? Or like individual player quality is it? Both sides of the pitch, cut through. Crosses from all angles are reaching their destination. Cut backs are finding their man alone on the six yard box.

Itís not just the back four. Itís the lack of control and the way we deal with counter attacks.
I think it's the personal....We 've had numerous managers and continue to ship goals at a rate of knots.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on August 05, 2018, 04:37:51 AM
To be honest I am a bit concerned about how easy we look to score against.

That team tat started first half was pretty much our first team for the year, minus stek for picks and being honest the goals were not steks fault really. We are still allowing a LOT of shots in dangerous areas.

Pretty much every attack seems to end in a do or die moment for our defence. Surely must be a systemic issue? Or like individual player quality is it? Both sides of the pitch, cut through. Crosses from all angles are reaching their destination. Cut backs are finding their man alone on the six yard box.

It’s not just the back four. It’s the lack of control and the way we deal with counter attacks.

Let's not forget that we were also playing Valencia, who are a better team than us and a CL team. And we have a new manager just starting to build his team. Everton wasn't built in a day.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 05, 2018, 04:46:17 AM
Let's not forget that we were also playing Valencia, who are a better team than us and a CL team. And we have a new manager just starting to build his team. Everton wasn't built in a day.

Yeah they looked really good on the ball.

But itís more that the same problems have existed for what, 3 seasons now? Weíre paper thin, every single time a team attacks us it ends in a goal or a real crisis moment. We look terrified, the quality of chances we give a way and the range of different attacks that seem effective against us is too high.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on August 05, 2018, 04:53:17 AM
Yeah they looked really good on the ball.

But itís more that the same problems have existed for what, 3 seasons now? Weíre paper thin, every single time a team attacks us it ends in a goal or a real crisis moment. We look terrified, the quality of chances we give a way and the range of different attacks that seem effective against us is too high.

Agreed. But were you expecting that to be solved this summer?

I'm not having a pop, but the reason I'm maybe going a bit easier and not expecting too much is that I think we need to calm down and give Silva time to build his side. I feel like if the expectations are too high, then the fans might get on Silva's back far too quickly and then we'll end up putting pressure on him, and changing manager again, and back to square one.

We finished 8th last year with all manner of chaos going on, 3 managers etc. We've improved the squad this summer, and I think we'll get somewhere around 7th-9th without too much trouble.

I'm not even thinking about the Top 6, unless one of them has a complete meltdown season. Maybe people will accuse me of being unambitious and not following NSNO, but the last few seasons have been pretty awful and I genuinely think we need a stabilising season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on August 05, 2018, 05:16:32 AM
Yes, seen things saying ďgot a week to sort it outĒ etc.

And while we all want it to be much better immediately, thatís not realistic.

If you finish 7th you have as many ups as downs; that generally allows for getting better etc.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 05, 2018, 05:20:33 AM
Agreed. But were you expecting that to be solved this summer?

I'm not having a pop, but the reason I'm maybe going a bit easier and not expecting too much is that I think we need to calm down and give Silva time to build his side. I feel like if the expectations are too high, then the fans might get on Silva's back far too quickly and then we'll end up putting pressure on him, and changing manager again, and back to square one.

We finished 8th last year with all manner of chaos going on, 3 managers etc. We've improved the squad this summer, and I think we'll get somewhere around 7th-9th without too much trouble.

I'm not even thinking about the Top 6, unless one of them has a complete meltdown season. Maybe people will accuse me of being unambitious and not following NSNO, but the last few seasons have been pretty awful and I genuinely think we need a stabilising season.

Absolutely agree, not thinking about too 6 at all and we desperately need a stabilising season, but if we donít sort some of these issues then I worry Marco and Marcel will put themselves under pressure straight from the off.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on August 05, 2018, 05:27:39 AM
Absolutely agree, not thinking about too 6 at all and we desperately need a stabilising season, but if we don’t sort some of these issues then I worry Marco and Marcel will put themselves under pressure straight from the off.

So we're pretty much coming from the same place, worried about the new regime not getting time to build. You're just focusing more on the team side, and I'm focusing on the fan expectation side.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: van der Meyde on August 05, 2018, 05:34:18 AM
Didn't really see much evidence of a concerted "press", but when we did manage to win the ball in the final 3rd I was pleased by how quickly we worked it into a decent shot.

Nobody in our starting 11 today was really able to get the ball into the final third by passing/dribbling though. I suspect we're going to rely a lot on Gana, Sigurdsson and the two wingers winning the ball back in decent areas for us to create decent chances.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 05, 2018, 05:43:08 AM
We attracted one of the most prolific strikers in world football past few years, easily in Kaneís tier of top strikers. So that argument doesnít hold water. We paid £28m so in reality the difference wasnít that much. The main factor is we never had managers who could get the best out of him. Poch built high energy sides who got the ball back to front quickly, we didnít.

Lukaku isnít fit to lace Kaneís boots. Heís in the tier below him
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 05, 2018, 05:47:00 AM
So we're pretty much coming from the same place, worried about the new regime not getting time to build. You're just focusing more on the team side, and I'm focusing on the fan expectation side.

Pretty much mate!

Even on fan expectation - i honestly think of wolves pump us you will see Marco Out shouts. Hull will get brought up before Christmas.

I just want them to have the best opportunity possible to just get us steady and start building, and atm I feel weíre all over the shop a bit, and Iím not convinced with some of the quality across the pitch.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 05, 2018, 03:09:16 PM
Looks like Zaha is off to Chelsea, likely Bolasie back to Palace according to a Palace season ticket holder I know.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Everton Mint on August 06, 2018, 03:48:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/wV8GmOz.jpg)

Just like the team...  ::)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on August 07, 2018, 04:21:13 AM
https://twitter.com/therealstevenpi/status/1026566385269436420
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Robioto on August 07, 2018, 04:12:42 PM
Bolasie to Middlesborough on SSN.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 04:14:59 PM
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1026756807296012288
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on August 07, 2018, 04:15:33 PM
Bolasie to Middlesborough on SSN.
Is it done?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Robioto on August 07, 2018, 04:16:24 PM
Is it done?

Sorry, should have been clearer, not done, but they are looking to or have bid.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on August 08, 2018, 01:58:39 AM
It was a bloody nightmare for our 2 sexy fookers after they came in. So much overpaid dross to rid ourselves of and so many positions to fill to give us half a chance.

So happy to see a lot of the mistakes of the last few seasons acknowledged and dealt with and some quality brought in. We are a couple of defenders away from an amazing window imo. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on August 08, 2018, 07:37:15 PM
Connolly gone to Wigan on loan
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: DanDan on August 10, 2018, 10:31:48 PM
Could be about 9 more players to leave before the end of the month either on loan or selling them abroad

Jordan Pickford    GK
Maarten Stekelenburg    GK
Joao Virginia    GK
   
Leighton Baines    DF
Lucas Digne    DF
Yerry Mina    DF
Kurt Zouma    DF
Michael Keane    DF
Phil Jagielka    DF
Mason Holgate    DF
Seamus Coleman    DF
Jonjoe Kenny    DF
**Cuco Martina    DF
**Matthew Pennington    DF
**Brendan Galloway    DF
**Tyias Browning    DF

Morgan Schneiderlin    MF
Idrissa Gueye    MF
Andre Gomes    MF
Gylfi Sigurdsson    MF
Tom Davies    MF
James McCarthy    MF
Kieran Dowell    MF
Beni Baningime    MF
**Joe Williams    MF
**Muhamed Besic    MF

Bernard    MF/FW   
Cenk Tosun    FW
Theo Walcott    FW
Richarlison      FW
Oumar Niasse    FW
Dominic Calvert-Lewin    FW
Ademola Lookman    FW
**Yannick Bolasie    FW
**Sandro Ramirez    FW
**Nikola Vlaöić    FW

   
On Loan   
Luke Garbutt*    DF
Ashley Williams*    DF
Antonee Robinson*    DF
Callum Connolly*   DF
Henry Onyekuru*    FW
Shani Tarashaj*    FW
Kevin Mirallas*    FW

Sold
Davy Klaassen    MF
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on August 10, 2018, 10:41:50 PM
Squad evolution updated.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on August 15, 2018, 11:19:15 PM
Can't see it anywhere else but Beni has gone on loan to Wigan apparently
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on August 16, 2018, 12:33:15 AM
Vlasic gone to Russia in loan,  confirmed on SSN
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 16, 2018, 12:35:23 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1029782631892832256
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: velimski on August 16, 2018, 12:40:50 AM
Decent move for all parties.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on August 16, 2018, 12:40:53 AM
Can't see it anywhere else but Beni has gone on loan to Wigan apparently
where'd you here that mate?

Mates a wigan fan, said the players from Everton have been brilliant so far
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lazarou on August 16, 2018, 12:41:47 AM
Forgotten all about him already, not sure the Russian league will help him advance as a player.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on August 16, 2018, 01:00:00 AM
where'd you here that mate?

Mates a wigan fan, said the players from Everton have been brilliant so far

Saw something posted on FB earlier but can't find it now. His brother is there too
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on August 16, 2018, 01:03:05 AM
Forgotten all about him already, not sure the Russian league will help him advance as a player.
that's my thoughts on it too, cant see him being here next season. Still thought as a 10 he was much better than on the wing, rarely given the chance there like, but doubt he'd get the chance now anyway with the competition
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 16, 2018, 01:59:41 AM
Forgotten all about him already, not sure the Russian league will help him advance as a player.

More than sitting on his arse will I suppose.

Might help him secure a permanent move too.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Everton Mint on August 16, 2018, 03:23:17 AM
They seem to be chipping away at the squad quite well now with a good few out the door on loan.

Brands and Silva clearly know who they dont want and dont piss about getting it done.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on August 16, 2018, 02:54:54 PM
https://twitter.com/pbsportswriter/status/1029814316558680064

Don't know if this can be considered a reliable source.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 16, 2018, 03:56:51 PM
https://twitter.com/pbsportswriter/status/1029814316558680064

Don't know if this can be considered a reliable source.

They'll even offer to pay 10% of his wages too.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on August 16, 2018, 06:24:44 PM
Martina to Stoke I hear. A lethal double act with Williams  !

Martina is close to joining Stoke on a season long loan according to Pete O rourke . https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-everton-player-close-to-joining-stoke-city/ Ö
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on August 16, 2018, 07:02:53 PM
Martina to Stoke I hear. A lethal double act with Williams  !

Martina is close to joining Stoke on a season long loan according to Pete O rourke . https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-everton-player-close-to-joining-stoke-city/ Ö
That's them not getting back up at the 1st time of asking !
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on August 16, 2018, 09:29:30 PM
are these loan to buys? All these players still gonna be turning up pre season 19/20 haha - obviously better than nothing for us like
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: toffee_scot on August 17, 2018, 03:07:05 AM
Imagine you are a Stoke fan.

Your team has been relegated from the Premier League and the club bring in Ashley Williams and Cuco Martina.

Let that sink in Stoke fans!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jamokachi on August 17, 2018, 04:31:50 AM
are these loan to buys? All these players still gonna be turning up pre season 19/20 haha - obviously better than nothing for us like

Williams is out of contract at the end of this season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on August 17, 2018, 08:32:32 AM
We might as well let Martina go on a free next summer as well.

Slowly getting rid of the shit. Nice feeling.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cozzie on August 17, 2018, 02:18:47 PM
A hell of a lot of wonga off the wage bill.as well.

Amazing how much we where paying in wages for the awful quality we actually had.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 17, 2018, 02:43:46 PM
Its just like a Detox. :D

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 17, 2018, 04:08:13 PM
Its just like a Detox. :D



It's more like an enema.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 17, 2018, 04:10:36 PM
I guess supporting Everton has been a pain in the arse at times :) So glad things are on the up though now!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dazfrancis on August 17, 2018, 04:31:24 PM
Martina could do a decent job in the championship tbf. He's just not near the level we need from FB
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Robioto on August 17, 2018, 08:21:42 PM
https://twitter.com/stokecity/status/1030429101780295681

Another one out the door. I wish him well, know where near good enough, but was never his fault and he always gave it everything.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mouse on August 17, 2018, 08:47:54 PM
https://twitter.com/stokecity/status/1030429101780295681

Another one out the door. I wish him well, know where near good enough, but was never his fault and he always gave it everything.
Agreed, glad to see we have moved on from this level but never understood the hate. He did the best he could while being asked to do the impossible by successive mangers.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on August 17, 2018, 08:55:16 PM
Over £100k/week being outsourced to Stoke for those two. Forget the signings Sir Brands deserves a medal for saving the club £5m a year on these deals.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jamokachi on August 17, 2018, 08:55:55 PM
https://twitter.com/stokecity/status/1030429101780295681

Another one out the door. I wish him well, know where near good enough, but was never his fault and he always gave it everything.

Should never have been signed, but that's not his fault.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 17, 2018, 08:59:30 PM
I have no ill will towards the lad. He worked hard out of position for most of last season.
Sadly he wasnt good enough, hope he does well at Stoke.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on August 21, 2018, 02:20:44 AM
@brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666)

You saying we need to be looking at replacing Coleman in the not too distant future.

Get a load of Wan-Bissaka for palace. Iím already going all in on this one.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 21, 2018, 02:50:38 AM
@brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666)

You saying we need to be looking at replacing Coleman in the not too distant future.

Get a load of Wan-Bissaka for palace. Iím already going all in on this one.

Yeah Iím in love with him.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on August 21, 2018, 04:40:37 AM
Got sent off didnít he.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on August 21, 2018, 04:47:31 AM
Got sent off didnít he.

He's boss though. Converted winger.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on August 21, 2018, 05:27:39 AM
Got sent off didnít he.

Yeah, but itís one of those isnít it. Should have cut him in half.
Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie on August 31, 2018, 10:18:27 PM
Pennington off to Ipswich
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on September 01, 2018, 06:42:06 AM
IN:
Richarlison
Digne
Bernard
Mina
Virginia
(Gomes)
(Zouma)

OUT:

Rooney
Funes Mori
Robles
Klaassen
(Garbutt)
(Williams)
(Mirallas)
(Martina)
(Vlasic)
(Besic)
(Bolasie)
(Sandro)
(Pennington)

A lot of loans but Marcel has smashed it.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on September 01, 2018, 07:03:22 AM
IN:
Richarlison
Digne
Bernard
Mina
Virginia
(Gomes)
(Zouma)

OUT:

Rooney
Funes Mori
Robles
Klaassen
(Garbutt)
(Williams)
(Mirallas)
(Martina)
(Vlasic)
(Besic)
(Bolasie)
(Sandro)
(Pennington)

A lot of loans but Marcel has smashed it.

Probably saving between £5m-£10m a year with those ins and outs (presuming most of the players loaned out are having most of their wages covered by their new clubs)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on September 01, 2018, 07:07:43 AM
IN:
Richarlison
Digne
Bernard
Mina
Virginia
(Gomes)
(Zouma)

OUT:

Rooney
Funes Mori
Robles
Klaassen
(Garbutt)
(Williams)
(Mirallas)
(Martina)
(Vlasic)
(Besic)
(Bolasie)
(Sandro)
(Pennington)

A lot of loans but Marcel has smashed it.

Shake it all about....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on September 01, 2018, 10:30:49 AM
Williams is gone for good as well.

Hopefully none of those going out will never play for us again and we can get rid proper next summer.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Danny on September 01, 2018, 04:15:56 PM
Williams is gone for good as well.

Hopefully none of those going out will never play for us again and we can get rid proper next summer.

We'll have a lot longer to sell them next summer, the guys out on loan will have no doubts whether they're in the managers plans so won't be hanging on trying to make it work.

Agents will be working to get full time deals the second the window opens, hopefully a few of them are made permanent before the window is even open again next year.