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Title: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: ajax_andy on March 16, 2018, 04:42:13 PM
No arguing, no debate, just simply tick yes or no.

If anyone at the club does read this forum it would be great to show just what percentage do or don't want him here.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue slug on March 16, 2018, 04:44:45 PM
I should hope it will be 100% no
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on March 16, 2018, 04:49:48 PM
No
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on March 16, 2018, 05:02:25 PM
100% no so far haha
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blargins on March 16, 2018, 05:22:25 PM
Getting close to that magic 15 mark...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 16, 2018, 05:23:04 PM
Fuck no
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 16, 2018, 05:23:04 PM
Bit of a stupid thread.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 16, 2018, 05:24:01 PM
Cue the NSNO Contrarians...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on March 16, 2018, 05:26:02 PM
Still 100%
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on March 16, 2018, 05:29:57 PM
Put me down for another no
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gash on March 16, 2018, 05:40:09 PM
Sake! Ignore the one yes, I pressed it by mistake.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 16, 2018, 05:45:45 PM
Id be very very surprised if anyone says yes

Edit - On purpose. Ffs @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Polledreng on March 16, 2018, 05:46:18 PM
Sake! Ignore the one yes, I pressed it by mistake.
I was wondering if Big Sam was a member on here
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blargins on March 16, 2018, 05:46:44 PM
Only an idiot would press yes.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on March 16, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
Id be very very surprised if anyone says yes

Edit - On purpose. Ffs @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14)
So is that a no then from you Jimmy?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 16, 2018, 05:48:53 PM
Everyone who wants him here next season has been banned, no?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 16, 2018, 05:49:59 PM
So is that a no then from you Jimmy?
It's a hell to the fuck no
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blargins on March 16, 2018, 06:00:12 PM
You know Sam will now take that one vote and run with it, citing he's for the minorities.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 16, 2018, 06:01:30 PM
I've not heard of a single Everton fan that still wants him here now, let alone next season
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gash on March 16, 2018, 06:04:23 PM
It's already more than 15.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 16, 2018, 06:07:36 PM
You know Sam will now take that one vote and run with it, citing he's for the minorities.
Its just (at present) 22 lads on a forum
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 16, 2018, 06:16:56 PM
Sake! Ignore the one yes, I pressed it by mistake.

Ever the contrarian ;) 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Danny on March 16, 2018, 06:20:49 PM
I was completely open to giving him a chance, the impact of the first few weeks was exactly what I expected but the following months have been shocking.

Yes, it's nice to not see us concede 3 every week but I doubt we were ever in trouble of going down under Koeman anyway.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on March 16, 2018, 06:37:24 PM
I was wondering if Big Sam was a member on here

He'd even vote no, he wants the payoff so he can get back over to Dubai
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Mac934 on March 16, 2018, 06:48:38 PM
And it's a NO from me.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Major Clanger on March 16, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
I'm probably in the minority but I don't hate him, I just genuinely can't see what he brings.

Obviously he's much better than Koeman, but that's not saying much, and is definitely not enough for the future.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on March 16, 2018, 07:01:31 PM
I'm probably in the minority but I don't hate him, I just genuinely can't see what he brings.

Obviously he's much better than Koeman, but that's not saying much, and is definitely not enough for the future.

His record would indicate hes pretty much the same as Koeman at Everton with a win percentage of 38%. Both pretty poor when you look at it like that and nowhere near what we need if our aspirations are true
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Major Clanger on March 16, 2018, 07:05:42 PM
His record would indicate hes pretty much the same as Koeman at Everton with a win percentage of 38%. Both pretty poor when you look at it like that and nowhere near what we need if our aspirations are true

Except Koeman's record had been bolstered by his early success, but at the time of his sacking was getting rapidly worse, while Allardyce is pretty stable with his mid-to-low intensity shite.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: toffee_scot on March 16, 2018, 07:38:14 PM
Absolutely not.

If he's still here in the summer then that tells me the board have accepted mediocrity.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 16, 2018, 08:01:39 PM
 39 noís and just the one yes from Gash ! :snigger:
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 16, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
Not really but that being said I do think he'd comfortably get us to 7th and actually does have a decent eye for a player.

Can't be arsed with another season of discontent though.

They need to get someone in everyone can get behind.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 16, 2018, 08:05:21 PM
Imagine everyone at a match at Goodison had a buzzer and were asked to press Hess or no and the results would come up on the big screens, of the 39,000 what do you reckon the percentages yes/noís would be ? My guess, 72% no 28% no
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 16, 2018, 08:14:56 PM
Happy to add my FUCK NO to the pile
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sirblue57 on March 16, 2018, 08:20:52 PM
Didn't want him this season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on March 16, 2018, 10:16:19 PM
Imagine everyone at a match at Goodison had a buzzer and were asked to press Hess or no and the results would come up on the big screens, of the 39,000 what do you reckon the percentages yes/noís would be ? My guess, 72% no 28% no
God knows where the 28% will pop up their pretty heads from---Oh yes their arses.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 16, 2018, 10:23:52 PM
Fuck Nooooooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 16, 2018, 10:24:53 PM
Erm. Surely itís 100% no for everyone at the club if we can do better.
Ideally no but Iím not right fussed for getting rid of him and getting in silva or wenger or even the ridiculous idea that unsworth is capable.
The answer is it depends on the options. As it should do with everyone
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Confucius on March 16, 2018, 10:37:16 PM
Erm. Surely itís 100% no for everyone at the club if we can do better.
Ideally no but Iím not right fussed for getting rid of him and getting in silva or wenger or even the ridiculous idea that unsworth is capable.
The answer is it depends on the options. As it should do with everyone

I really can't think of many worse than Allardyce. Seriously.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 16, 2018, 10:45:59 PM
N.O spells NO.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on March 16, 2018, 11:00:43 PM
Not a chance. He was never staying beyond the end of this season anyway.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Juanito on March 16, 2018, 11:01:01 PM
Who were the two Sam fans that disappeared? The realdunc and Koemansnumber10? I canít remember. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on March 16, 2018, 11:14:13 PM
Spearmint Sam has been seen talking to Moshiri and sporting a T-shirt with the slogan -

"Never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

How did I vote? I'm with you idiots!

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 16, 2018, 11:40:14 PM
Who were the two Sam fans that disappeared? The realdunc and Koemansnumber10? I canít remember. 

I just think heís done okay. Think the reality is almost all didnít want him and most despite saying otherwise werenít really prepared to give him a (fair) chance.
If silva had come in and ďachieved ď exactly the same in results and performances suggesting he be sacked would be ridiculed.

Heís not been bad. He was an uninspiring choice and a lot think we can attract real quality

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 16, 2018, 11:44:51 PM
Imagine everyone at a match at Goodison had a buzzer and were asked to press Hess or no and the results would come up on the big screens, of the 39,000 what do you reckon the percentages yes/no's would be ? My guess, 72% no 28% no
The 28% would be away fans
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: boothill on March 16, 2018, 11:46:50 PM
no, non, njet, nien
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 16, 2018, 11:47:24 PM
God knows where the 28% will pop up their pretty heads from---Oh yes their arses.

Anyone else have a thought on what the percentages would be ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on March 16, 2018, 11:48:03 PM
Fuck no ... id take Walter Smith back first .tbh.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Redartin on March 17, 2018, 01:14:51 AM
Should there not have been a "not sure" button for the fence sitters?

It was a No from me before the cunt arrived and now it's an even bigger NO as he is an even bigger cunt.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 17, 2018, 01:25:11 AM
I just think heís done okay. Think the reality is almost all didnít want him and most despite saying otherwise werenít really prepared to give him a (fair) chance.
If silva had come in and ďachieved ď exactly the same in results and performances suggesting he be sacked would be ridiculed.

Heís not been bad. He was an uninspiring choice and a lot think we can attract real quality

I admire that you  stand by your convictions, I too was prepared to give him a chance but running the white flag up at Arsenal before we had even got off the coach and his indefensible tactics and substitutions against Burnley really destroyed any lingering hope that he could possibly convince me that he could ever be right for us beyond the end of this season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sirblue57 on March 17, 2018, 01:50:25 AM
I just think heís done okay. Think the reality is almost all didnít want him and most despite saying otherwise werenít really prepared to give him a (fair) chance.
If silva had come in and ďachieved ď exactly the same in results and performances suggesting he be sacked would be ridiculed.

Heís not been bad. He was an uninspiring choice and a lot think we can attract real quality


REALLY???..we are awful, little style, defensive shambles, and you think he has done o k?
Fuck that. If that's the limit of your ambition for this club I would hate to see what you think is mediocre.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Juanito on March 17, 2018, 02:14:23 AM
1 person has said they want him, can this person own up please and explain why?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blueToffee on March 17, 2018, 02:26:00 AM
I just think heís done okay. Think the reality is almost all didnít want him and most despite saying otherwise werenít really prepared to give him a (fair) chance.
If silva had come in and ďachieved ď exactly the same in results and performances suggesting he be sacked would be ridiculed.

Heís not been bad. He was an uninspiring choice and a lot think we can attract real quality



IF he'd carried on in the manner of the first few games in charge, we remained hard to beat, etc I'd be more inclined to agree that he's done ok. He's not really solved any of our problems is the issue for me. The biggest one being defensively. We've been hopeless against the bigger clubs. Plus, can you really say there is any sort of momentum or upswing we could point to and get behind going into a new season? We feel utterly rudderless right now. We've been meandering along again for weeks, picking up points almost exclusively at home against lower in the table teams. That is bare, bare minimum behaviour to keep us in the league.

The best I could say for him is I thought the Walcott signing was a good choice, and I'm hopeful about Tosun. Compared to the summer activity, it was targeted in problem areas rather then scattergun and that alone is an improvement. I appreciated that we tried to get a CB in, it's just a shame we never got the chance to see if he could settle and improve.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 17, 2018, 02:33:37 AM
1 person has said they want him, can this person own up please and explain why?

Err....be careful what you wish for  :shock:
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on March 17, 2018, 02:39:22 AM
1 person has said they want him, can this person own up please and explain why?

See the first page of the thread @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) pressed yes by mistake.

However, there are 3 yes votes now, so you can discount 1.

I like many on here never wanted him here but was willing to give him a chance. Nothing that he says or does gives me the impression that he has any idea what this club and the fans want.

Thanks for keeping us up but time for you at the end of the season to go away and drag your pal Steve Walsh with you.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sirblue57 on March 17, 2018, 03:21:09 AM
3?FUCKING3 VOTES FOR THAT USELESS ARROGANT FUCKWITTED MUPPET SHAGGER???????
Un fucking believable.
Be careful or you may get the club you deserve. But that's not the Everton I support or want.
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 17, 2018, 03:23:30 AM
REALLY???..we are awful, little style, defensive shambles, and you think he has done o k?
Fuck that. If that's the limit of your ambition for this club I would hate to see what you think is mediocre.


Weíve plodded on with about 7th place form. Thatís where we are at. We are mediocre. Weíve got mediocre results
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sirblue57 on March 17, 2018, 03:25:57 AM
Weíve plodded on with about 7th place form. Thatís where we are at. We are mediocre. Weíve got mediocre results

Sam.is not even mediocre.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blargins on March 17, 2018, 06:39:44 AM
We've plodded on with about 7th place form. That's where we are at. We are mediocre. We've got mediocre results
7th place form is one win this year.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on March 17, 2018, 07:01:20 AM
3?FUCKING3 VOTES FOR THAT USELESS ARROGANT FUCKWITTED MUPPET SHAGGER???????
Un fucking believable.
Be careful or you may get the club you deserve. But that's not the Everton I support or want.

You have to remember the defensive stability heís brought to us.

Footballís not all about scoring goals...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Tony Clifton on March 17, 2018, 08:27:31 AM
Should there not have been a "not sure" button for the fence sitters?

It was a No from me before the cunt arrived and now it's an even bigger NO as he is an even bigger cunt.

I actually ended up on the fence once he was appointed - - "Ah fuck it, let's give him a chance etc." I told myself, as I climbed up there with my big glass half full of scrumpy cider.  Fence was very wobbly. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Polledreng on March 17, 2018, 12:55:58 PM
You have to remember the defensive stability heís brought to us.

Footballís not all about scoring goals...
Thanks Good laugh from the morning.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on March 17, 2018, 01:09:48 PM
I hated him and said so on him starting ,now I can't bear to even watch the delusional prick.Don't even get me started on that fucking Liverpool fan .Where the fuck are we Mr Mosh ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Juanito on March 17, 2018, 01:55:57 PM
I admire that you  stand by your convictions, I too was prepared to give him a chance but running the white flag up at Arsenal before we had even got off the coach and his indefensible tactics and substitutions against Burnley really destroyed any lingering hope that he could possibly convince me that he could ever be right for us beyond the end of this season.

Yeah, I was at Arsenal and even though I expected it, it was unforgivable. I live in London but felt angry on behalf of all the Evertonians that had travelled down and were in the bar after 20 minutes and out the door before half time. Sam wouldnít have given a shit, either.

West Brom and Bournemouth away with those line ups.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 17, 2018, 10:55:14 PM
He'll be expecting a contract extension after that.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 17, 2018, 11:06:16 PM
Give him a five year deal, and let him put some roots down and build something.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 17, 2018, 11:10:46 PM
Give him a five year deal, and let him put some roots down and build something.

The straw house that Sam built. Huff and puff and he blew the.......
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on March 17, 2018, 11:16:36 PM
He'll be expecting a contract extension after that.

He'll be expecting the Dixie Dean statue replaced you mean.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 18, 2018, 12:29:19 AM
Just seen Sam's interview on Sky. He's winding you all up now and definitely knows he's doing it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on March 18, 2018, 12:34:16 AM
Just seen Sam's interview on Sky. He's winding you all up now and definitely knows he's doing it.
Thing is now any fan worth their salt won't watch his presser now, cos we all know he's on borrowed time and just feeding his ego and wallet .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 18, 2018, 12:40:57 AM
5 people on here need their heads rewiring
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blueToffee on March 18, 2018, 12:41:38 AM
Allardyce saying he can now prepare for next season...

I wish I were a little more certain of Moshiriís intentions after this season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 18, 2018, 12:42:34 AM
If he is here next season i wont be watching us. Fuck that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 18, 2018, 12:44:04 AM
"It's paid dividends for us and it puts us on the 40-point mark, and even though mathematically we are not safe I don't think anyone can catch us now and we can start to prepare for next season"
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 18, 2018, 01:45:17 AM
"It's paid dividends for us and it puts us on the 40-point mark, and even though mathematically we are not safe I don't think anyone can catch us now and we can start to prepare for next season"

What did he say has paid dividends for us?

Conceding more goals than weíve scored?

Having more possession in only two of the games?

Having less completed passess than the opposition in nearly all the matches?

Creating less chances than most teams in the league, whilst allowing almost the most shots at our goal in the same period?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: iainjones37 on March 19, 2018, 02:27:43 AM
100% no, he doesn't inspire me, his press conference are boring and he always late he spouts the same old rubbish
 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: montanatoffeefan on March 19, 2018, 02:34:20 AM
Unbelievable that 5.2 percent would vote to bring him back.

Until you consider that's probably about the rate of masochists in the general population.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on March 19, 2018, 02:37:30 AM
It's a deffo NO  from me
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 19, 2018, 04:38:10 AM
6 votes for yes, obviously happy watching negative shithouse anti football
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on March 19, 2018, 05:21:46 AM
Didn't one person say they voted yes by mistake ?
and I reckon the other 5 are on the wind-up  ???
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2018, 05:49:57 AM
I actually think this was a useful exercise because I have no doubt that people at the club do check forums, and there can be no doubt about the message conveyed in this poll.
Title: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 19, 2018, 06:32:02 AM
Can't vote on Tapatalk (or can't work it out) but it's a no from me.

It doesn't bother me what he says, most managers talk shit to the press. His team selections on the bad run we went on did it for me. It took him a long time to settle on that midfield that were all saying it should be.

And a style of play doesn't put me off as much as most on here, but it's been a negative style of play without all the defensive benefits of it. Proper porous ponderous twats at the back. His arse has been saved by Coleman, Baines and Jags returning. Btw, was Jags injured or dropped all this time?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blargins on March 19, 2018, 01:53:59 PM
We will see how bad a manager he is when Williams comes straight back in the team after his suspension.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 19, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
I actually think this was a useful exercise because I have no doubt that people at the club do check forums, and there can be no doubt about the message conveyed in this poll.

Yeah, Steve Walsh to see what links to players outrage us, so he can then go and pursue them
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 19, 2018, 02:01:59 PM
We will see how bad a manager he is when Williams comes straight back in the team after his suspension.


Excellent point, Williams should never again be more than a third choice back up untill the end of his contract, doubt we could sell him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: ajax_andy on March 19, 2018, 02:25:06 PM
I actually think this was a useful exercise because I have no doubt that people at the club do check forums, and there can be no doubt about the message conveyed in this poll.

That was my hope mate, I'm sure they realise he's not popular, but as a fan base we aren't the type to hound someone out from the terraces... Fingers crossed they see this and realise just how it's almost a full house don't want him here next season
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on March 19, 2018, 03:15:11 PM
https://twitter.com/brothersmith76/status/975499069656305664

*Please be true. Please be true. Please be true.*

He can bring Fred with him, too.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cozzie on March 19, 2018, 03:40:20 PM
Surely if anyone had an iota of sense at the club he will be gone at the end of the season.

I CAN see why he was appointed. We needed a ship steadier whether we like to admit it or not and hes done that.

If we aren't looking at other candidates right now then it will simply show Moshiris level of ambition.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on March 19, 2018, 03:42:13 PM
Welcome to the firing squad, Fons

Happy Days? You're gonna need more than a Zorro mask, Paulo
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2018, 03:58:16 PM
https://twitter.com/brothersmith76/status/975499069656305664

*Please be true. Please be true. Please be true.*

He can bring Fred with him, too.

Is it wrong that that tweet has got me sexually aroused?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on March 19, 2018, 04:25:11 PM
If he can leave us with a derby win then he'll go with my blessing.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 19, 2018, 05:01:24 PM
https://twitter.com/brothersmith76/status/975499069656305664

*Please be true. Please be true. Please be true.*

He can bring Fred with him, too.

Interesting, there's another tweet going around about Fonseca, he was asked about his future at Shaktar over the weekend, he gave a pretty non committal response.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on March 19, 2018, 05:06:34 PM
Interesting, there's another tweet going around about Fonseca, he was asked about his future at Shaktar over the weekend, he gave a pretty non committal response.

I bet he isn't. One contract with Everton, set up for the rest of his life. It's worth considering.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: iainjones37 on March 19, 2018, 05:16:45 PM
Why would people say yes to Allardyce staying?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 19, 2018, 06:15:14 PM
Serious question

We can only sack one person

Walsh or Allardyce?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 19, 2018, 06:41:00 PM
Serious question

We can only sack one person

Walsh or Allardyce?

Walsh

A strong DoF with a set vision and firm say in transfers etc is far more important than the coach at this stage

If Allardyce is wanting has been mercenaries, a good DoF will say no

If the manager can't meet the DoF expectations than they'll be gone soon enough

The DoF has to deliver the long term vision of the club, the managers tend to be around for 3 years max. From our recent transfer windows there is clearly no coherent vision for moving forward, we're just throwing money everywhere
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 19, 2018, 06:44:51 PM
Serious question

We can only sack one person

Walsh or Allardyce?

Allardyce.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: van der Meyde on March 19, 2018, 06:45:34 PM
Serious question

We can only sack one person

Walsh or Allardyce?
Probably Walsh.

Allardyce's tactics may be regressive, but they'll only set us back for the length of his tenure.

The players we bring in will be more expensive and generally long-term than any manager that we have. It's so important that we get that right and there's not much evidence with Walsh that we will.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 19, 2018, 06:53:51 PM
Allardyce.

In terms of smug, horrible cuntishness, contempt for the club, and terrible football, yes can't wait to get rid of him

But for the bigger overall impact for the future, just think Walsh has to go ASAP
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: kramer0 on March 19, 2018, 07:11:11 PM
Walsh.

(1) The squad isn't good enough. Currently, only Walcott and Coleman are good enough for the level we aspire to and only a few of our younger players have the potential to get there (Pickford, Davies, possibly a few others but it's too hard to tell).

(2) The squad has important players that are aging and need cover/replacing. Jagielka, Baines, and Rooney have all played key roles in our recent wins. None of them can be relied on over a full season. We don't have backups of requisite quality for any of them. This is a problem.

(3) The squad has a lot of players that don't fit or aren't anywhere near good enough. Too many to list. These players will need to be sold and replaced carefully.

That's a big job to put in the hands of someone who's struggled to find reasonable targets (see: putting all of our eggs in the Giroud and Kolasinac baskets last summer) and who's frequently paid over the odds for players who aren't good enough and/or don't fit. Sure, he's not as visible as Allardyce but Walsh has as much to do with the unwatchability of this team as Allardyce (probably even more to do with it, honestly). The longer he hangs around doing whatever he's currently doing, the further we get from the having the quality necessary to challenge the top 6.

Allardyce has serious limitations but he can still get us 7th place (which will probably be enough for Europe) with good players. It's not ideal to have him around for another year but two windows of buying well with a better director of football* puts us in a good position for a clean break at the end of next season.

* Whether or not Moshiri knows who the "better" directors of football are is another matter and inescapable regardless of what role we're talking about (i.e. he's just as likely to get a managerial appointment wrong as he is a DoF appointment).
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on March 19, 2018, 07:22:20 PM
Doesnít matter if Walsh stays or goes if the manager still gets a veto on incoming players while being allowed to bring in his own targets at the same time.

You could have the best DoF in the world at Everton but under these circumstances itís only going to end up a mess. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blargins on March 19, 2018, 11:13:47 PM
Thank god we have the right to sack both.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on March 19, 2018, 11:20:24 PM
You'll need to be thanking Moshiri...................... ..........
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cozzie on March 19, 2018, 11:27:27 PM
Deffo Walsh.

Like its been said, the long term vision of the club lies with the DOF.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on March 19, 2018, 11:52:01 PM
You'll need to be thanking Moshiri...................... ..........
When they're both handed the p45's  I will thank him properly for late late realisation.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2018, 12:15:31 AM
Huddersfield, Swansea, Newcastle, Leicester, Palace, Brighton and Stoke
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bluenuck on March 20, 2018, 01:15:13 AM
Huddersfield, Swansea, Newcastle, Leicester, Palace, Brighton and Stoke

Teams Allardyce has beaten, alex.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Juanito on March 20, 2018, 03:33:56 AM
Huddersfield, Swansea, Newcastle, Leicester, Palace, Brighton and Stoke

Swansea just before Clement was sacked

Newcastle should have beaten us. Hit the woodwork a few times and were the better side.

Leicester a day before Man City Mahrez bid, then he refused to play. Was on form.

Benteke missed a couple of sitters in game v Palace.

Adam sent off in first half v Stoke.


All in all, I think we were reasonably lucky with the wins, or were marginal - while we have much better individual players. 


Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on March 20, 2018, 05:15:08 AM
Swansea just before Clement was sacked

Newcastle should have beaten us. Hit the woodwork a few times and were the better side.

Leicester a day before Man City Mahrez bid, then he refused to play. Was on form.

Benteke missed a couple of sitters in game v Palace.

Adam sent off in first half v Stoke.


All in all, I think we were reasonably lucky with the wins, or were marginal - while we have much better individual players.
And letís not forget the last gasp penalty miss by Watford and the favourable pens we got early on in the season
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on March 21, 2018, 03:51:35 AM
And the fact we were played off the park by West Brom (home and away) and by Bournemouth's when they hadn't won all year.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 21, 2018, 04:06:50 AM
How the fuck we are where we are in the table is beyond me when going back to some of our performances, we have had a few huge slices of luck this season just to survive
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on March 21, 2018, 04:09:51 AM
How the fuck we are where we are in the table is beyond me when going back to some of our performances, we have had a few huge slices of luck this season just to survive
Yes, and if we had been without those large slices of luck I think it would be safe to say we would be about 10 points worse off and right in the relegation mix
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on March 21, 2018, 01:46:53 PM
Yeah i think we can look back on this season and thank our lucky stars.

just about managed to get a few wins here and there when we shouldnít have, just enough to drag ourselves out of it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2018, 01:57:41 PM
Who are the 10 yes voters, show yourselves you cowards
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 21, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
Who are the 10 yes voters, show yourselves you cowards

Big Sam, little Sam, Steve Walsh, Shakespeare, Martyn Margetson, Ryland Morganís, Moshiri, Jim White, Ecclestone, and Gash   :D
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on March 25, 2018, 10:03:05 PM
Haven't had a moan about Sam for a while and this break doesn't help ,after watching the u21's and yes I know about the gulf betwixt us and where we would love to be ,the young lads and a lot of our players are much better than Sam is used to and to think of how many he has just pushed aside is terrible .I personally think Lookman is, at the moment a little on the light side for the prem but he hasn't given half a dozen any real chance .Look at  poor Tosun -not up to speed and fitness and doesn't like the weather -what a turnip!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 25, 2018, 11:36:11 PM
Haven't had a moan about Sam for a while and this break doesn't help ,after watching the u21's and yes I know about the gulf betwixt us and where we would love to be ,the young lads and a lot of our players are much better than Sam is used to and to think of how many he has just pushed aside is terrible .I personally think Lookman is, at the moment a little on the light side for the prem but he hasn't given half a dozen any real chance .Look at  poor Tosun -not up to speed and fitness and doesn't like the weather -what a turnip!

Out of interest how do you know tosun was up to speed
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on March 26, 2018, 03:43:16 AM
Out of interest how do you know tosun was up to speed
Well we only have Sam's word he wasn't ...so the door swings both ways really .😅

Would've got "up to speed" faster playing from first transfer game imho....Would've bagged a few more too judging by his eye fir goal too I rekon....if he wasn't already ahem .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bluestevie on March 26, 2018, 05:57:42 AM
Big Sam, little Sam, Steve Walsh, Shakespeare, Martyn Margetson, Ryland Morganís, Moshiri, Jim White, Ecclestone, and Gash   :D

Bernie or Tamara?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on March 26, 2018, 04:02:21 PM
We'll never know if Sam's initial treatment of Tosun was correct or not, although he'll take the credit for it anyway.

He's just not the right fit for an aspirational club and for that reason he won't be here next season. I'd bet my wife on it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 26, 2018, 06:14:15 PM
Curious, would people take a derby win if it meant Sam would still be here next season?

Because, if you were wondering, thatís exactly what it would mean.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 26, 2018, 06:21:04 PM
I would give anything for a win over them and would even go as far as saying yes he can stay another season because if you get a win against that lot with a weakened side you can get a win against anyone
anywhere. I can say that though safe in the knowledge that it ainít gonna happen, Salah and Firmino gonna rip shreds out of our defence.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on March 26, 2018, 06:25:15 PM
Curious, would people take a derby win if it meant Sam would still be here next season?

Because, if you were wondering, that’s exactly what it would mean.

Why would it?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 26, 2018, 06:30:52 PM
Why would it?

Itís my considered opinion.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 26, 2018, 06:35:36 PM
Whoever the 9 are, do us a favour

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Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 26, 2018, 07:44:17 PM
I would give anything for a win over them and would even go as far as saying yes he can stay another season because if you get a win against that lot with a weakened side you can get a win against anyone
anywhere. I can say that though safe in the knowledge that it ainít gonna happen, Salah and Firmino gonna rip shreds out of our defence.

talk about a poison chalice...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 27, 2018, 02:07:01 AM
talk about a poison chalice...

Hmmm.... maybe poisoned chalice means something else in America ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 27, 2018, 01:18:21 PM
I wouldn't want to keep him if we beat them 12-0. That's the definition of short-termism. Fuck that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 27, 2018, 07:32:21 PM
Curious, would people take a derby win if it meant Sam would still be here next season?

Because, if you were wondering, thatís exactly what it would mean.

What a strange thing to say, why would a derby win mean he was here? Short term thinking and frankly embarrassing if one game means he stays.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 27, 2018, 07:58:54 PM
What a strange thing to say, why would a derby win mean he was here? Short term thinking and frankly embarrassing if one game means he stays.

Personally I think heís staying anyway, unless our season deteriorates badly from here.

I reckon Moshiri will have learnt from the last time he bowed to fan opinion (Koeman out with no plan) and wonít be pulling the trigger on SA unless heís damn sure heís got a better plan in place.

The more successful SA is from here on in, the harder itíll be for Moshiri not to view getting someone else in as the bigger risk. A win at Anfield definitely falls into that category.

Iím not saying I want SA here - I donít. Obviously itís all opinions, but I just donít share this view that SA is a dead man walking like so many on here seen so convinced of. Hopefully Iím wrong.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 27, 2018, 08:02:26 PM
The game is at Goodison.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 27, 2018, 08:23:17 PM
The game is at Goodison.

Ha. Didnít realise that. Changes things a bit but still reckon a win increases the odds that heís here next season to better than evens.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 27, 2018, 09:16:17 PM
Personally I think heís staying anyway, unless our season deteriorates badly from here.

I reckon Moshiri will have learnt from the last time he bowed to fan opinion (Koeman out with no plan) and wonít be pulling the trigger on SA unless heís damn sure heís got a better plan in place.

The more successful SA is from here on in, the harder itíll be for Moshiri not to view getting someone else in as the bigger risk. A win at Anfield definitely falls into that category.

Iím not saying I want SA here - I donít. Obviously itís all opinions, but I just donít share this view that SA is a dead man walking like so many on here seen so convinced of. Hopefully Iím wrong.

So you're saying he will learn the wrong lesson.  Instead of "have a plan this time and keep your head out of the sand" he goes with "bury said head deeper and just keep doing nothing."

But since Allardyce has accomplished nothing of real (even one-off) impressiveness, I'm thinking it won't happen.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 27, 2018, 09:20:33 PM
So you're saying he will learn the wrong lesson.  Instead of "have a plan this time and keep your head out of the sand" he goes with "bury said head deeper and just keep doing nothing."

But since Allardyce has accomplished nothing of real (even one-off) impressiveness, I'm thinking it won't happen.

Since he turned up weíre at 1.47 ppg vs 1.07 before he started.

Weíre also playing better football. Still shite, and only better in comparison to the truly dreadful stuff before, but better nonetheless.

Itís undeniably an improvement.

Personally I think itís mostly to do with new players settling in and others returning from injury. I imagine we wouldíve seen the same improvement had we kept Koeman.

But we didnít. We got Sam and heís the man thatís overseen this upturn. Thereís a good chance Moshiri credits him for at least some of that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 27, 2018, 09:28:13 PM
Get him the fuck out. Now.


Anyone wanna keep Lee & Ferguson?

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 27, 2018, 09:47:25 PM
Upturn? HAHAHHAHAH
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 27, 2018, 09:52:58 PM
It is an upturn though isn't it?

He's not the answer long term and the footy can be crap but the PPG improvement can't really be argued against.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: D15TIN on March 27, 2018, 10:01:45 PM
It is an upturn though isn't it?

He's not the answer long term and the footy can be crap but the PPG improvement can't really be argued against.
Return of Coleman/Baines/Bolasie has helped him a lot, he also had a great run of fixtures at the beginning and he went in after a 4-0 win over west ham
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 27, 2018, 10:06:19 PM
Return of Coleman/Baines/Bolasie has helped him a lot, he also had a great run of fixtures at the beginning

Agreed but you can only beat what's in front of you.

Listen, I'm no big fan of his but I don't see why people insist on pretending we haven't got any better at all since he come in.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on March 27, 2018, 10:11:06 PM
A few weeks ago you could argue that he hadn't made us any better.

Now, though, you have to admit he's made us a better team.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on March 28, 2018, 12:45:03 AM
A few weeks ago you could argue that he hadn't made us any better.

Now, though, you have to admit he's made us a better team.
This is a joke right?

Look at who we have beaten under him and how much hard work we've made of it.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 28, 2018, 01:08:21 AM
This is a joke right?

Look at who we have beaten under him and how much hard work we've made of it.



Put a gun to my head, I'd grudgingly say "dead cat bounce" and nothing more.  The League is shite, and it would be damned hard NOT to improve, as bad as we were at the end (and as rough as the early schedule was).
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 28, 2018, 01:46:51 AM
Put a gun to my head, I'd grudgingly say "dead cat bounce" and nothing more.  The League is shite, and it would be damned hard NOT to improve, as bad as we were at the end (and as rough as the early schedule was).
Do you not think that is a bit disrespectful and arrogant?
If everything is shite then nothing is worth winning.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on March 28, 2018, 02:14:00 AM
This is a joke right?

Look at who we have beaten under him and how much hard work we've made of it.
I wouldnít worry about it too much Simon, the next two games will show his true worth again just like against Arsenal, Spurs and Man U. His batting average will be right back down where he belongs.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 28, 2018, 02:23:53 AM
Do you not think that is a bit disrespectful and arrogant?
If everything is shite then nothing is worth winning.

Not really.  The level of play has been dreadful all around, just one of those years.  It won't stay that way, which is one of the reasons it would be lunacy to let this clown show go on.

We could see a couple of enterprising sides come up from the Championship, too.  2018-19 could be very, very different.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Juanito on March 28, 2018, 04:24:37 AM
A few weeks ago you could argue that he hadn't made us any better.

Now, though, you have to admit he's made us a better team.



Koeman or Unsworth would have done better with Tosun, Walcott, Coleman, Baines and Bolasie in there.

Thatís 50% of outfield players...instead of Martina, Kenny etc.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 28, 2018, 06:57:13 PM
This is a joke right?

Look at who we have beaten under him and how much hard work we've made of it.



Genuine question who have we made hard work out of beating apart from Stoke away?

All the home wins under him have been comfortable as far as I can remember.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 28, 2018, 07:02:11 PM
We've beat the teams that we are expected to beat, its not an achievement
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 28, 2018, 09:15:27 PM
We've beat the teams that we are expected to beat, its not an achievement
If that's how it works there will be no criticism of losing to Man City this weekend?
They are expected to beat us.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 28, 2018, 09:27:50 PM
Don't think anyone is really arguing it's an achievement either.

More so that, even if only slightly, we have improved in the time he's been here.

But that being said we should 100% be replacing him the second the season finishes.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 28, 2018, 10:08:01 PM
If that's how it works there will be no criticism of losing to Man City this weekend?
They are expected to beat us.

In my royal blue tinted eyes yes
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Juanito on March 29, 2018, 01:13:39 AM
Genuine question who have we made hard work out of beating apart from Stoke away?

All the home wins under him have been comfortable as far as I can remember.

Wins under him;

Newcastle win was lucky, they hit the woodwork a few times

Leicester win was just after the Marhez bid and unsettled the squad, he went awol.

Swansea win was just before Clement was sacked.

Palace missed some sitters.

Stoke had a man sent off at half time and we only just got a late winner.

Huddersfield was probably the only game we were not considered lucky in some way.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 29, 2018, 01:40:39 AM
Wins under him;

Newcastle win was lucky, they hit the woodwork a few times

Leicester win was just after the Marhez bid and unsettled the squad, he went awol.

Swansea win was just before Clement was sacked.

Palace missed some sitters.

Stoke had a man sent off at half time and we only just got a late winner.

Huddersfield was probably the only game we were not considered lucky in some way.

We were better than Newcastle they hit the woodwork twice from range. Better than Leicester too. Though granted we havenít had any players missing this season and they did that day
Outplayed palace. Though yes they did miss a good chance late on

Look weíve had a shit season and I get people donít want allardyce to stay but come on. We canít just discredit every fucking decision and every fucking point. Itís ridiculous
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on March 29, 2018, 02:38:45 AM
It is an upturn though isn't it?

He's not the answer long term and the footy can be crap but the PPG improvement can't really be argued against.

Naaa fuck that
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 29, 2018, 03:06:12 PM
Wins under him;

Newcastle win was lucky, they hit the woodwork a few times

Leicester win was just after the Marhez bid and unsettled the squad, he went awol.

Swansea win was just before Clement was sacked.

Palace missed some sitters.

Stoke had a man sent off at half time and we only just got a late winner.

Huddersfield was probably the only game we were not considered lucky in some way.

You could probably do this with every single win if you tried hard enough.

The opposition have chances in games, it happens.

They were all comfortable wins.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 29, 2018, 03:07:39 PM
Naaa fuck that

What's the big deal in just acknowledging it though?

It's better than before he come in.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on March 29, 2018, 03:29:43 PM
Wins under him;

Newcastle win was lucky, they hit the woodwork a few times

Leicester win was just after the Marhez bid and unsettled the squad, he went awol.

Swansea win was just before Clement was sacked.

Palace missed some sitters.

Stoke had a man sent off at half time and we only just got a late winner.

Huddersfield was probably the only game we were not considered lucky in some way.

That's football. The team worse than us missed their chances, whilst we took ours. That's not lucky, it's part of the game.

If we're going to deconstruct every win like you have here then what's the point?




Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 29, 2018, 04:23:17 PM
Maybe if we looked and dissected our losses we could deem to be unlucky too and should be in the top 6, its swings and roundabouts.

Still want him gone at the end of this season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on March 29, 2018, 04:34:31 PM
Wins under him;

Newcastle win was lucky, they hit the woodwork a few times

Leicester win was just after the Marhez bid and unsettled the squad, he went awol.

Swansea win was just before Clement was sacked.

Palace missed some sitters.

Stoke had a man sent off at half time and we only just got a late winner.

Huddersfield was probably the only game we were not considered lucky in some way.

It's a little counter-productive to live in alternate universes. You lose a bit of perspective.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Shogun on March 29, 2018, 06:13:00 PM
What's the big deal in just acknowledging it though?

It's better than before he come in.

We are.

I would argue many managers would have been able to produce similar results though. The standard outside the top 6 is largely dreadful so there’s nothing to get carried away with about us beating most of them at Goodison.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 29, 2018, 06:16:47 PM
What's the big deal in just acknowledging it though?

Ask yourself if you could watch us for a whole season under Sam? If the answers no, why keep hold of him once this seasons over? . Now basically. He got the bounce when he came in but you can't polish a turd.

It's better than before he come in.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 29, 2018, 06:18:18 PM


I've said many times I don't want him here next season.

My point was just in response to people saying that there hasn't been any improvement since he come in.

There has.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 29, 2018, 06:26:20 PM
People do realise life isnít always black and white, right?

It is possible to think *at the same time*
- we have improved since Allardyce became our manager
- he shouldnít be our manager next season.
Title: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on March 29, 2018, 06:37:00 PM
He hasn't improved us, he's been lucky with a few results so let's see how he does in the next two games, that will tell if he's improved us or not, let's not just judge him in the games against the bottom 6 or 8 teams
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on March 29, 2018, 06:40:19 PM
People do realise life isnít always black and white, right?

It is possible to think *at the same time*
- we have improved since Allardyce became our manager
- he shouldnít be our manager next season.

I would say 'results have improved'. We're not playing any better football than under Koeman it's just that the instructions are coming from a different voice, the summer signings have bedded in, we've added a few bits of quality and we've got our three most experienced defenders playing together again.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 29, 2018, 06:41:20 PM
If we won the next two games 4-0 you'd still get people saying ''well they hit the post''
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 29, 2018, 07:20:47 PM
People do realise life isnít always black and white, right?

It is possible to think *at the same time*
- we have improved since Allardyce became our manager
- he shouldnít be our manager next season.

Results have improved slightly, performances haven't
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on March 29, 2018, 07:24:46 PM
Results have improved slightly, performances haven't

So we have improved then?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 29, 2018, 07:34:24 PM
So we have improved then?

Slightly yes, he's done the job he was asked to do and kept us up.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on March 29, 2018, 08:04:03 PM
People saying we have improved under him, really should ask again after the next two games ....then stats will then say not really imho....at the moment the stats say we have but very little at all ... no matter who took over it was bound to happen getting our best defence fit again has improved us nothing to do with management .. hes still a shithouse who belongs retired with his anti football ideas.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: formerKHL on March 29, 2018, 08:10:01 PM
I think the more prudent question is....

can you see us progressing to where we want to be under him ?

NO.......
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on March 29, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
What's the big deal in just acknowledging it though?

It's better than before he come in.

Iím an xg man - ppg increases that are not reflected in performances are unlikely to be sustainable long term imo
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 29, 2018, 08:58:44 PM
I’m an xg man - ppg increases that are not reflected in performances are unlikely to be sustainable long term imo

He won't be here long term with any luck.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 29, 2018, 09:04:10 PM
If he's still here next August then it proves the owner and the board are happy and satisfied with mediocrity
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 29, 2018, 09:16:51 PM
Results have improved slightly, performances haven't

Well, he is a dickhead.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: D15TIN on March 29, 2018, 09:50:28 PM
This is highly unlikely, but if we beat City & Liverpool should he keep his job?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 29, 2018, 10:05:57 PM
This is highly unlikely, but if we beat City & Liverpool should he keep his job?

This has been discussed already. The answer was 'no'.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 29, 2018, 11:02:11 PM
I think the more prudent question is....

can you see us progressing to where we want to be under him ?

NO.......

Can you realistically see it under anyone with our current financial restraints? Itís also sadly probably a no.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on March 30, 2018, 12:24:39 AM
Unsworth would have won all the games Allardyce has won

when we win games it's easy to forget the performance but we've won games that you wouldn't have been surprised to see us lose after watching the first half.

we've paid £6m a year for a like for like replacement, except nobody actually "likes" Allardyce
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on March 30, 2018, 01:26:22 AM
This is highly unlikely, but if we beat City & Liverpool should he keep his job?

Not if he beats them so bad they dissolve both clubs on the spot
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on March 30, 2018, 02:53:05 AM
Under Allardyce

Played 19
Won 8
Drawn 4
Lost 7

42.1%

Statistically so far he's on a par with Moyes and has the second best win % since Colin Harvey who had a 42.4% win ratio.

Interestingly only 2 Everton managers have ever managed over 50% during their time in charge (not including Unsworth's 1 game before Koeman).
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 30, 2018, 02:54:54 AM
Can you realistically see it under anyone with our current financial restraints? Itís also sadly probably a no.

Are you serious?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Juanito on March 30, 2018, 03:54:39 AM
Under Allardyce

Played 19
Won 8
Drawn 4
Lost 7

42.1%

Statistically so far he's on a par with Moyes and has the second best win % since Colin Harvey who had a 42.4% win ratio.

Interestingly only 2 Everton managers have ever managed over 50% during their time in charge (not including Unsworth's 1 game before Koeman).


So floored. Imagine if he was manager for the first 10 games of the season, he would have amassed a total of 4.....shots on target in those games.

Man City away
Man United away
Chelsea away
Leicester away
Spurs at Goodison

Really see him going for it.



Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 30, 2018, 04:18:10 AM
Are you serious?

We are a million miles away from 5 teams above us and a fair way behind a now quite shit Arsenal. All 6 have bigger spending power than us. Realistically we arenít getting in the champions league regardless of what we want to achieve
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 30, 2018, 04:29:16 AM
Under Allardyce

Played 19
Won 8
Drawn 4
Lost 7

42.1%

Statistically so far he's on a par with Moyes and has the second best win % since Colin Harvey who had a 42.4% win ratio.

Interestingly only 2 Everton managers have ever managed over 50% during their time in charge (not including Unsworth's 1 game before Koeman).

No offence but a highly shit statistic to throw out there.

Let's revisit after the next two games, assuming we don't win either (highly likely) he'll then have a worse win percentage than Koeman....
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on March 30, 2018, 05:22:25 AM
We are a million miles away from 5 teams above us and a fair way behind a now quite shit Arsenal. All 6 have bigger spending power than us. Realistically we arenít getting in the champions league regardless of what we want to achieve

Of course weíre not but itís not just about that.

We want to go to a game and enjoy what we watch, we will never get that under Allardyce.
All this Ďpragmatismí is just his way of disguising the fact he hasnít got a clue how to improve a team or produce attractive football so he hopes to win the winnable games, throws the tough ones and figures the average points total justifies the means.

Itís shite and we should be better than that prehistoric approach.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 30, 2018, 01:23:23 PM
Of course weíre not but itís not just about that.

We want to go to a game and enjoy what we watch, we will never get that under Allardyce.
All this Ďpragmatismí is just his way of disguising the fact he hasnít got a clue how to improve a team or produce attractive football so he hopes to win the winnable games, throws the tough ones and figures the average points total justifies the means.

Itís shite and we should be better than that prehistoric approach.

That's a completely different argument and a much fairer 1. I was replying to someone saying we should get rid because they can't see him getting us to where we want to be. Wed go through an awful lot of managers using that argument
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 30, 2018, 02:08:34 PM
We are a million miles away from 5 teams above us and a fair way behind a now quite shit Arsenal. All 6 have bigger spending power than us. Realistically we arenít getting in the champions league regardless of what we want to achieve

A different managerial and coaching style would bridge those gaps much quicker than you think.

As has been said by many of us, a Pochettino type appointment could potentially propel us light years ahead of where we are currently.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 30, 2018, 02:14:55 PM
That's a completely different argument and a much fairer 1. I was replying to someone saying we should get rid because they can't see him getting us to where we want to be. Wed go through an awful lot of managers using that argument

And I didnít say that at all.

I just asked if you were serious with your financial constraints comment.

We have just invested a huge amount of money in getting rid of two Managers, hiring two mediocre Managers, and obtaining a DOF who is really just a chief scout.

If we invested our not inconsiderable wealth into a commanding and innovative DOF and a hungry, dynamic, and progressive coach, we would easily see an improvement, and itís surprising how things can snowball, just ask Tottenham. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on March 30, 2018, 04:08:54 PM
@KoemansNumberTens (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) ... about as ambitious as a newt.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 30, 2018, 04:39:43 PM
@KoemansNumberTens (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) ... about as ambitious as a newt.

Realistic. I want to be 100m champion doesnít mean I will be.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on March 30, 2018, 04:42:10 PM
Realistic. I want to be 100m champion doesnít mean I will be.

So what's the fucking point? If you think there's no manager out there that can get us into CL places what's the point in supporting? Small minded, unambitious bullshit dressed up as realism. You deserve Sam.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 30, 2018, 04:56:24 PM
Realistic. I want to be 100m champion doesnít mean I will be.

You're beaten before you've even begun, mate.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on March 30, 2018, 05:02:50 PM
We are a million miles away from 5 teams above us and a fair way behind a now quite shit Arsenal. All 6 have bigger spending power than us. Realistically we arenít getting in the champions league regardless of what we want to achieve

We're a million miles off because of poor management across all levels of the club.

We've also got one of the highest wage bills in the country.

Our ambition should be top 6 at the very, very least.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 30, 2018, 05:13:11 PM
We're a million miles off because of poor management across all levels of the club.

We've also got one of the highest wage bills in the country.

Our ambition should be top 6 at the very, very least.



If we'd had our shit together this season, we could've easily taken Arsenal for 6th. We've been garbage and we're still only 8 points behind them.

You're exactly right. You do better than teams with greater resources by making better decisions than them over a prolonged period of time.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 30, 2018, 06:46:20 PM
And I didnít say that at all.

I just asked if you were serious with your financial constraints comment.

We have just invested a huge amount of money in getting rid of two Managers, hiring two mediocre Managers, and obtaining a DOF who is really just a chief scout.

If we invested our not inconsiderable wealth into a commanding and innovative DOF and a hungry, dynamic, and progressive coach, we would easily see an improvement, and itís surprising how things can snowball, just ask Tottenham. 

Spurs who found possibly the best forward in the world in their academy? Weíd be a much better team too with a 200m plus striker and a world class manager.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 30, 2018, 06:51:32 PM
Spurs who found possibly the best forward in the world in their academy? Weíd be a much better team too with a 200m plus striker and a world class manager.

They have done far more than just rely on fortune, and you know it.

And all without throwing champagne wages at sparkling wine footballers. 

And your world-class manager comment proves my point; they went for a young, progressive coach, and we didnít.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on March 30, 2018, 06:53:07 PM
Spurs who found possibly the best forward in the world in their academy? Weíd be a much better team too with a 200m plus striker and a world class manager.

Yeah, just found him mate.

Not like they developed him into that striker or anything. He was already like that, Harry Kane.

Just born a 200mil striker, no coaching needed whatsoever there, or personal development.

Just found him in the academy they did.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on March 30, 2018, 06:54:07 PM
I'm pretty sure our squad costs a lot more than the Spurs squad as well.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 30, 2018, 06:58:48 PM
They have done far more than just rely on fortune, and you know it.

And all without throwing champagne wages at sparkling wine footballers. 

And your world-class manager comment proves my point; they went for a young, progressive coach, and we didnít.

I agree but finding a world class manager isnít easy. Iím not saying allardyce is the best we can do. All Iím saying is if we are going to judge our managers against where we dream to be we are gonna go through a lot of managers. Whoever is Everton manager it will be extremely extremely difficult to make the top 5 a genuine top 6-7 (arsenal are now drifting out of it too)

Look I understand people want better than allardyce. Me too. I just think we have to judge them against realistic aims rather than ambitions which are closer to dreams
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 30, 2018, 07:25:19 PM
I agree but finding a world class manager isnít easy. Iím not saying allardyce is the best we can do. All Iím saying is if we are going to judge our managers against where we dream to be we are gonna go through a lot of managers. Whoever is Everton manager it will be extremely extremely difficult to make the top 5 a genuine top 6-7 (arsenal are now drifting out of it too)

Look I understand people want better than allardyce. Me too. I just think we have to judge them against realistic aims rather than ambitions which are closer to dreams

Come on, mate, you know there are a fair few progressive coaches out there that probably wouldnít mind £6m a year, a big transfer fund, and a new stadium on the horizon.

We just went for pragmatic Koeman, and followed it up with pragmatic, firefighter Allardyce.

Itís not rocket science to see that we need to start taking risks if we want the possibility of greater reward.

Pochettino was by no means proven world-class when Spurs procured him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: pjk on March 30, 2018, 08:03:13 PM
If Sam Allardyce is here next season, Moshiri's stock with the supporters will go down. Personally, I'm going to back anyone who's in charge. Allardyce, has brought in a couple of decent players in the brief time he's been here but, and I'm sure most will agree, the football we are producing is nowhere near close enough to the standard Evertonians expect. I'm not defending Allardyce, I think Moshiri deserves respect for making seriously important decisions when the going got tough. If Allardyce does stay, it would be good if people could stay off Moshiri's back until things start to settle down. (There's not going to be much chance of that I would think though.) I've got preferences for who I would like to be in charge next season, but will it be Allardyce? I'm not convinced he will be going anywhere. Two home wins in the next two games would turn the tide in Allardyces favour. The first bit of that equation, will be answered tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 30, 2018, 09:42:28 PM
Personally, I'm going to back anyone who's in charge.

Not me. Fuck him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: pjk on March 30, 2018, 10:06:11 PM
Not me. Fuck him.



The trouble with that is; there's not much we can do if he is still here. Personally, I prefer one of the guys on @Shoguns list. I'm just saying it how it is, and how it might be. :)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 30, 2018, 11:06:15 PM
Not me. Fuck him.

I'm with Louise Belcher.  Sam Allardyce isn't Everton, and if Moshiri sticks with the fuckwit, then he ain't Everton either.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 30, 2018, 11:09:20 PM
Reckons Pickford should be England goalie despite goals against with his team and has the stats to prove it. First time I've agreed with him since he blamed previous managers for the pickle he was in.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ridge on March 31, 2018, 12:56:11 AM
I want to scratch my eyeballs out at every game.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on March 31, 2018, 02:43:08 AM
Deluded

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-sam-allardyce-wont-14476709
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 31, 2018, 02:50:20 AM
Fucking hate him like mad. Cunt.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on March 31, 2018, 03:18:41 AM
He knows he's gone in the summer and he's trolling us. He gives zero fucks about Everton and we should show him we give zero fucks about him
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 31, 2018, 03:28:09 AM
He knows he's gone in the summer and he's trolling us. He gives zero fucks about Everton and we should show him we give zero fucks about him

Have you heard anything promising about him going, Si?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on March 31, 2018, 03:38:27 AM
I'm starting to think he's staying next season tbh.

I really doubt Moshiri wants another manager getting paid off.

It makes business sense to just let his contract ride and get someone next summer.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 31, 2018, 03:50:45 AM
I'm starting to think he's staying next season tbh.

I really doubt Moshiri wants another manager getting paid off.

It makes business sense to just let his contract ride and get someone next summer.
We need to be proactive and if we believe we can get a top drawer manager this summer we should go get one. Not wait about and hope as good options are available in Summer 2019
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on March 31, 2018, 04:13:22 AM
Have you heard anything promising about him going, Si?
Just that nobody likes him at the club and it's not just the fans
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on March 31, 2018, 04:21:36 AM
Just that nobody likes him at the club and it's not just the fans

Now that is promising.

Grim, but promising at the same time.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 31, 2018, 04:24:03 AM
Alienating our fans (further) and what's left of our young talent makes the square root of fuckall business sense.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 31, 2018, 04:39:57 AM
Seriously he will set us back years
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: American Evertonian on March 31, 2018, 07:21:48 AM
I can't even listen or read to the prematch news conference. Can't stand what he says or the smug way in which he says it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on March 31, 2018, 07:41:19 AM
I'm starting to think he's staying next season tbh.

I really doubt Moshiri wants another manager getting paid off.

It makes business sense to just let his contract ride and get someone next summer.

Think there would be major issues if so tbh.

We are an arsey lot, wouldnít like to see the reaction to something  like that.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: boothill on March 31, 2018, 08:26:06 AM
Deluded ,noxious twat , he is
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 31, 2018, 01:03:18 PM
We need to be proactive and if we believe we can get a top drawer manager this summer we should go get one. Not wait about and hope as good options are available in Summer 2019

Totally agree but then the reverse is true too. If we can't get a top draw manager then we can't be sacking this 1 and be paying 4 regardless
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on March 31, 2018, 01:34:37 PM
Nah he's just trying his best to convince himself
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 31, 2018, 01:37:56 PM
Just that nobody likes him at the club and it's not just the fans

There have been quite a few articles on the OS recently with players praising him, do you think they feel under some sort of pressure from the club to do so ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on March 31, 2018, 02:00:26 PM
There have been quite a few articles on the OS recently with players praising him, do you think they feel under some sort of pressure from the club to do so ?

Not exactly the best of sources to garner any sort of insight though, is it?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 31, 2018, 02:14:11 PM
My question was whether they are under any pressure to praise the new management team and ďthe bossĒ as Jagielka, Calvert Lewis, Baines and one or two others have ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 31, 2018, 02:17:55 PM
My question was whether they are under any pressure to praise the new management team and “the boss” as Jagielka, Calvert Lewis, Baines and one or two others have ?

Players are sheep. They'd praise Jimmy Saville, if he was picking them in the team and they picked up a couple of wins. I really wouldn't read too much into it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on March 31, 2018, 02:19:24 PM
Players are sheep. They'd praise Jimmy Saville, if he was picking them in the team and they picked up a couple of wins. I really wouldn't read too much into it.

That sounds like a feasible explanation.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on March 31, 2018, 06:31:09 PM
My question was whether they are under any pressure to praise the new management team and ďthe bossĒ as Jagielka, Calvert Lewis, Baines and one or two others have ?

They're towing the line. The same shite articles would be on the site regardless of manager.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on March 31, 2018, 06:31:42 PM
There have been quite a few articles on the OS recently with players praising him, do you think they feel under some sort of pressure from the club to do so ?
"the most toxic atmosphere I've ever know at Everton" from someone with a connection to the club that stretches longer than a lot on here have been alive.

Players will say what you want them to. Or do we really believe Tim Cahill thought a move to Kirkby would be great for the club?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on March 31, 2018, 06:58:00 PM
Players are sheep. They'd praise Jimmy Saville, if he was picking them in the team and they picked up a couple of wins. I really wouldn't read too much into it.

Unless of course it means the message is coming from mosh down to back him in anticipation of his new 6 year contract and park end statue.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on March 31, 2018, 07:00:37 PM
Unless of course it means the message is coming from mosh down to back him in anticipation of his new 6 year contract and park end statue.
Itís a bit early to be cracking jokes
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Silas on March 31, 2018, 07:43:41 PM
Results might be OK but this is some if the worst football since I have watched us. He won't be allowed to stay around because that doesn't make us attractive to television and that's by far the major concern to someone like Moshiri
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 01, 2018, 01:29:53 AM
No.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 01, 2018, 02:10:14 AM
If you strip out the individual assessment of him; itís patently clear heís not compatible with the overall fan base and the image that we want to project and aspire to.

Weíve got to get someone who is progressive.

Beyond just us, the price of football these days is going to mean that more and more people demand more than just a results first philosophy.

Youíve got to provide entertainment too.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 01, 2018, 02:13:26 AM
We look further from a team than when he first took over .... still can't spot the shittest players (Williams back for the darby will atest) of our squad.

Needs fucking off now ...the longer his cancer spreads the bigger job the new man will have .
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Post by: Audrey Horne on April 01, 2018, 02:24:57 AM
 :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

https://twitter.com/philmcnulty/status/980158007156895746
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 01, 2018, 02:25:59 AM
We look further from a team than when he first took over .... still can't spot the shittest players (Williams back for the darby will atest) of our squad.

Needs fucking off now ...the longer his cancer spreads the bigger job the new man will have .

With the World Cup and the impact that has on the post season, the planning for next season needs to start now and not with him and Walsh anywhere near it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 01, 2018, 02:28:43 AM
One thing losing against someone like City - another thing looking like youíre playing a different sport.

We lost 2-5 to Arsenal but it was only 1-2 when we lost a player.

At no point, even before the game, did it ever feel like anything other than we were going to lose badly.

Thatís part of the issue. We need to feel like weíve got a chance.

Bar fluke, can anyone see anything that suggests weíre not going to lose (badly) next week?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 01, 2018, 02:38:12 AM
One thing losing against someone like City - another thing looking like youíre playing a different sport.

We lost 2-5 to Arsenal but it was only 1-2 when we lost a player.

At no point, even before the game, did it ever feel like anything other than we were going to lose badly.

Thatís part of the issue. We need to feel like weíve got a chance.

Bar fluke, can anyone see anything that suggests weíre not going to lose (badly) next week?

Of course not. And they will be motivated to embarrass us, unlike City.

This marriage of convenience was ill-advised and ill-conceived from the beginning.

Bar a few people with serious self esteem issues who seemed to revel in the grimness that Allardyce brought, Evertonians were never going to accept this regressive, deeply uninspiring man at the helm.

It was, and still is, an awful decision and 'process' carried out by Moshiri. Doomed before it was even conceived.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 01, 2018, 02:39:36 AM
The decision to drop Davies and play Calvert-Lewin, leaving a midfield two of Rooney and Morgan S against Man City has to be the worst managerial decision I've ever seen.

It was clear his game plan was to punt it long at every opportunity and pressure them in the final 3rd.

Soon as they broke that press (a press which was pretty much non existent) they just completely bypassed the midfield.

Within three minutes of the game the players didn't know what positions they were supposed to be taking up.

For a manager who's supposed to be studious in how he approaches the opposition that's really worrying.

Also, isn't he supposed to make teams hard to beat? I don't think Spurs, United, Arsenal and now City have had easier games this season.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 01, 2018, 03:25:59 AM
His comments before the match were more irritable than Moyes and his knife gunfight shite. Wanted to drag him out the telly screen and punch his fat gob in the ignorant twat.

I'm done. Hope he is too.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 01, 2018, 03:29:05 AM
His comments before the match were more irritable than Moyes and his knife gunfight shite. Wanted to drag him out the telly screen and punch his fat gob in the ignorant twat.

I'm done. Hope he is too.

I refuse to listen, or even watch him talk.  I always change the channel.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 01, 2018, 03:36:24 AM
I refuse to listen, or even watch him talk.  I always change the channel.

Remote went missing a while back and the dogs been walking funny ever since. Should see him open garage doors!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 01, 2018, 03:53:44 AM
...ďexpected lossĒ
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 01, 2018, 04:26:38 AM
One thing losing against someone like City - another thing looking like youíre playing a different sport.

We lost 2-5 to Arsenal but it was only 1-2 when we lost a player.

At no point, even before the game, did it ever feel like anything other than we were going to lose badly.

Thatís part of the issue. We need to feel like weíve got a chance.

Bar fluke, can anyone see anything that suggests weíre not going to lose (badly) next week?

Didnít watch today but arsenal battered us. Could have been 5 at half time. The sending off wasnít a turning point
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Trowel on April 01, 2018, 05:28:52 AM
"If you can't mark them, foul them."

I'm still livid that, in the era of some of the most exciting football we've ever seen, that's the game plan of the current Everton manager.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 01, 2018, 06:33:30 AM
Fucking hell, the media seem to think we were in the bottom three when he took over and he's done a good job.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 01, 2018, 06:38:35 AM
"If you can't mark them, foul them."

I'm still livid that, in the era of some of the most exciting football we've ever seen, that's the game plan of the current Everton manager.

When we had a manager who wanted us to win games by attacking teams he got hounded out. Personally Iíd rather see Everton fail trying than fail retreating.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gash on April 01, 2018, 07:18:10 AM
When we had a manager who wanted us to win games by attacking teams he got hounded out. Personally Iíd rather see Everton fail trying than fail retreating.


Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 01, 2018, 12:47:56 PM
When we had a manager who wanted us to win games by attacking teams he got hounded out. Personally Iíd rather see Everton fail trying than fail retreating.


Martinez was a lunatic.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: D_murph0278 on April 01, 2018, 01:37:38 PM
Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but Karl Heinz Rumenigge has denied Thomas Tuchel will be joining Bayern as he has already accepted a job thought to be in the Premier League!
According to Sky sports anyway.....
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 01, 2018, 01:58:13 PM
Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but Karl Heinz Rumenigge has denied Thomas Tuchel will be joining Bayern as he has already accepted a job thought to be in the Premier League!
According to Sky sports anyway.....

Arsenal
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Goaljira on April 01, 2018, 02:01:55 PM
Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but Karl Heinz Rumenigge has denied Thomas Tuchel will be joining Bayern as he has already accepted a job thought to be in the Premier League!
According to Sky sports anyway.....

Chelsea.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: toffee_scot on April 01, 2018, 02:27:42 PM
When we had a manager who wanted us to win games by attacking teams he got hounded out. Personally Iíd rather see Everton fail trying than fail retreating.


I seem to remember in his last two years a lot of very slow buildups, crab like movement and sideways passing and passing the ball all the way back to the keeper.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 01, 2018, 03:16:13 PM
Fucking hell, the media seem to think we were in the bottom three when he took over and he's done a good job.

I think weíre so irrelevant these days that people genuinely just donít take much notice of us so reality and fiction subconsciously just merge together.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Mac934 on April 01, 2018, 03:18:15 PM
I seem to remember in his last two years a lot of very slow buildups, crab like movement and sideways passing and passing the ball all the way back to the keeper.
at least we had possession! And some of it was more exciting than the shit we serve up nowadays lol.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheBlackWatchFanzine on April 01, 2018, 03:52:32 PM
Fucking hell, the media seem to think we were in the bottom three when he took over and he's done a good job.

Aye it's ridiculous. If you take away Allardyce's first couple of games in charge, which were largely against relegation fodder, the 'form table' looks a lot worse than the pundits seem to realise. We have been on a downward spiral since Christmas, barely had a shot in two games against the worst team in the league, and have capitulated against any team that has a go at us. I can't wait for this season to end. Next week will not be pretty...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: D3blue on April 01, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
When we had a manager who wanted us to win games by attacking teams he got hounded out. Personally I'd rather see Everton fail trying than fail retreating.
Martinez 1st season excitement was based on Moyes's team building...he just let the dogs off the lead....after that it was uninspiring....
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 01, 2018, 05:42:59 PM
Martinez 1st season excitement was based on Moyes's team building...he just let the dogs off the lead....after that it was uninspiring....


Yeah because Moyes bought Barry, McCarthy, Lukaku, Deulofeu and played Stones and Barkley in every game didnít he?

Itís a load of old bollocks that gets brought up all the time that ignoring the fact that 7 players in that team were never at the club or in the team when Moyes was here.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 01, 2018, 05:45:56 PM
Yeah because Moyes bought Barry, McCarthy, Lukaku, Deulofeu and played Stones and Barkley in every game didn't he?

It's a load of old bollocks that gets brought up all the time that ignoring the fact that 7 players in that team were never at the club or in the team when Moyes was here.
You forgot the legends that were Alcaraz and Kone. 😅😅.....just proof every manager fucks up with sentimentality at times .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 01, 2018, 06:08:13 PM
Highlight of the match was Killing In The Name Of getting played before kick off
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Post by: UnsyisaRhino on April 01, 2018, 06:25:32 PM
Highlight of the match was Killing In The Name Of getting played before kick off

Jags tackle near the end for me.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 01, 2018, 06:42:23 PM
I seem to remember in his last two years a lot of very slow buildups, crab like movement and sideways passing and passing the ball all the way back to the keeper.

We could get a corner back to our own keeper at will. Martinez was inept. Comfortably the worst of the 3 (Martinez Koeman allardyce)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 01, 2018, 07:04:01 PM
Arsenal

Not a chance after Arsenal appointed Sven Mislintat in November. He and Tuchel has a massive falling out and didn't speak for a year by all accounts, culminating in Tuchel leaving.

Chelsea seems much more likely.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 01, 2018, 07:06:31 PM
Not a chance after Arsenal appointed Sven Mislintat in November. He and Tuchel has a massive falling out and didn't speak for a year by all accounts, culminating in Tuchel leaving.

Chelsea seems much more likely.

Furry muff.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 01, 2018, 07:08:14 PM
Furry muff.

Watch Arsenal announce him now :)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: toffee_scot on April 01, 2018, 09:38:04 PM
at least we had possession! And some of it was more exciting than the shit we serve up nowadays lol.

Maybe, but a defeat is still a defeat.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 01, 2018, 09:40:58 PM
Maybe, but a defeat is still a defeat.
Yeah but we like to see some fight not the team giving up before the whistle .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: toffee_scot on April 01, 2018, 09:46:55 PM
Yeah but we like to see some fight not the team giving up before the whistle .

Indeed, I'd like to see a team with a manager that promotes a winning mentality.

I'd love to know how the likes of Catterick and Kendall did it rather than compare whether Martinez or Allardyce had the least shit approach.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 01, 2018, 10:07:13 PM
And Catterick had Shankly to contend with and Kendall, Dalglish
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on April 02, 2018, 04:46:01 AM
1st of the month and Big and Little Sam head for the cash machine to check if the wages are in.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 02, 2018, 01:25:37 PM
Letís hope so
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 02, 2018, 02:39:25 PM
I don't even want him as manager tomorrow never mind next season
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blargins on April 02, 2018, 02:58:08 PM
Is it still April fools?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Polledreng on April 02, 2018, 02:59:53 PM
Jags tackle near the end for me.
Even Jags was suprised to see him win the throw in. I thopught for a moiment he had killed the City player. Great moment. Probably the only one exept from the goal
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Post by: MarcusFenix on April 02, 2018, 04:37:28 PM
@Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 02, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
Thought Tuchel was going psg
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: D3blue on April 02, 2018, 05:25:58 PM
We could get a corner back to our own keeper at will. Martinez was inept. Comfortably the worst of the 3 (Martinez Koeman allardyce)
That's an interesting debate... Personally I preferred Martinez to Koeman simply because of his personal positivity ( based on smoke and mirrors!).
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 02, 2018, 06:06:58 PM
Martinez is a much better manager than Sam allardyce.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: 74Blue on April 02, 2018, 06:20:12 PM
Martinez is a much better manager than Sam allardyce.


That belongs in the unpopular opinions thread I think.
They are equally mediocre.
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Post by: blargins on April 02, 2018, 06:21:28 PM
Nah, Martinez is much better as he actually tries to implement new ideas and philosophies. More successful than Fat Sam, and now manages one of the best international sides in the world.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 02, 2018, 08:54:15 PM
Amazing revisionism going on here.

Think people have forgotten just how bad things were under Roberto.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: kramer0 on April 02, 2018, 09:35:55 PM
Nothing says "we've gotten these last two years horribly wrong" like Martinez becoming remotely defensible.
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Post by: TheRam on April 02, 2018, 09:47:37 PM
Amazing revisionism going on here.

Think people have forgotten just how bad things were under Roberto.



Is it really revisionism to say he's a better manager than Allardyce?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 02, 2018, 09:51:39 PM
Is it really revisionism to say he's a better manager than Allardyce?

you know what it's like mate, your ex could give the best handy j's around but once she's farted on your cereal and dumped you then that's it, nothing about her will ever be any good ever
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 02, 2018, 10:12:41 PM
Martinez is a much better manager than Sam allardyce.



Not having that. The man had ideas but no sense or real world application for them. An idiot who thought we didnít have to train defensively cos weíd just keep the ball.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on April 02, 2018, 11:00:27 PM
Amazing revisionism going on here.

Think people have forgotten just how bad things were under Roberto.


Amen and the next bastard.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 02, 2018, 11:00:47 PM
he said he's not bothered about being booed because Moyes, Martinez and Koeman all got booed as well

not one of them is welcome back here as manager....and neither is Allardyce
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Silas on April 02, 2018, 11:10:59 PM
he said he's not bothered about being booed because Moyes, Martinez and Koeman all got booed as well

not one of them is welcome back here as manager....and neither is Allardyce

It took Moyes years to be disliked, Martinez a few seasons, Koeman 6 months. Allardyce it took a matter of months
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 02, 2018, 11:12:07 PM
I wouldn't put Moyes in with the other three. He was much better for us, regardless of how he left.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 02, 2018, 11:14:06 PM
I wouldn't put Moyes in with the other three. He was much better for us, regardless of how he left.

he was booed off numerous times

Wigan 3-0 at home and a few games against Bolton - home and away - during his time spring to mind immediately
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Post by: Bluedylan on April 02, 2018, 11:16:02 PM
he was booed off numerous times

Wigan 3-0 at home and a few games against Bolton - home and away - during his time spring to mind immediately

Course, but over 11 years mate.
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Post by: Simon Paul on April 02, 2018, 11:17:28 PM
Course, but over 11 years mate.

there were a few times during the first 2 years!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 02, 2018, 11:28:22 PM
The booing is like water off a ducks back to him.

He seems to thrive on the bad feeling. It certainly looked that way at Newcastle and West Ham and seems  exactly the same here.

Wonder if he mentions it in his autobiography.
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Post by: Seahawk on April 02, 2018, 11:44:01 PM
Pressed Yes in error.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 03, 2018, 12:11:09 AM
It took Moyes years to be disliked, Martinez a few seasons, Koeman 6 months. Allardyce it took a matter of months

To be fair he was disliked before he started. Itís not been good but letís be honest he wasnít given the same chance as the others
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 03, 2018, 12:56:02 AM
A case of "You're not welcome here" right from the off

Does Allardyce care? Not one bit

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 03, 2018, 01:39:00 AM
To be fair he was disliked before he started. It's not been good but let's be honest he wasn't given the same chance as the others
Because despite all the bluster of his first interview ...his tactics reverted to type of his entire career .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 03, 2018, 01:41:25 AM
To be fair he was disliked before he started. Itís not been good but letís be honest he wasnít given the same chance as the others

Thats because he wasn't wanted here, most of us said that, most of us knew what would happen
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Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 03, 2018, 01:43:16 AM
It was a very informed dislike.
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 03, 2018, 02:33:56 AM
Because despite all the bluster of his first interview ...his tactics reverted to type of his entire career .

Still think heís the best of the 3. Dreadfully low standard though

Martinez was all unworkable ideas. Koeman work in the transfer market and personal skills were dreadful

It does show how bad weíve been at picking managers though. Cost us lots of money too
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Post by: Lxxx on April 03, 2018, 03:49:52 AM
Martinez and Allardyce are equally inept but at totally opposite ends of the scale.
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Post by: KingOfNapaValley on April 03, 2018, 03:59:04 AM
Stylistically and tactics wise, Sam is a glorified Alan Pardew.
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Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on April 03, 2018, 02:14:22 PM
Stylistically and tactics wise, Sam is a glorified Alan Pardew.

Clubs should be looking beyond this lot now, Pardew, Pulis, Allardyce, Hughes and even Moyes all limited managers who inexplicably keep getting Premier League jobs despite not achieving anything of note.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 03, 2018, 02:21:21 PM
174 votes so far 162 of them want him gone, how can this be, he said the majority of fans are behind him
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ridge on April 03, 2018, 04:52:01 PM
174 votes so far 162 of them want him gone, how can this be, he said the majority of fans are behind him

1/6 of his votes were accidental too.

It's perception management, truth has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 03, 2018, 05:20:23 PM
I was up for keeping him until the final day of the season and then saying thanks and goodbye until the City game. No desire or plan to even try and compete with City. We all know they're far, far superior to us but to not even compete was a disgrace. Get him gone ASAP.

Need to rip up the team and start again. I'd personally have a clearout of the coaching staff too. Another 'big summer' beckons.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 03, 2018, 05:44:07 PM
Clubs should be looking beyond this lot now, Pardew, Pulis, Allardyce, Hughes and even Moyes all limited managers who inexplicably keep getting Premier League jobs despite not achieving anything of note.

Where are the new breed coming through though. Players retire these days as multi millionaires, they probably don't want nor need the hassle of management. It's why so many of the older lot keep getting jobs at the top level, they're the only ones with a CV more than a page long.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 03, 2018, 06:03:37 PM
I still can't get over him actually saying "if you can't mark them, foul them". Just think about that for a second, a manager of a Premier League side saying shit like that to the press after a game.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 03, 2018, 06:08:19 PM
I still can't get over him actually saying "if you can't mark them, foul them". Just think about that for a second, a manager of a Premier League side saying shit like that to the press after a game.

He's increasingly coming across as a man whose time has been and gone, a long time ago. Not sure how he even passed an interview but as we know Moshiri doesn't do interviews, he just makes a decision and offers the job, same with Koeman. Which is pretty poor.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 03, 2018, 06:11:08 PM
He's increasingly coming across as a man whose time has been and gone, a long time ago. Not sure how he even passed an interview but as we know Moshiri doesn't do interviews, he just makes a decision and offers the job, same with Koeman. Which is pretty poor.

He's always been a piss poor manager, his record at every club he's been at just confirms it. Every single time I think of him as our manager I feel sick to my stomach, what the fuck was Moshiri thinking
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 03, 2018, 06:17:26 PM
He's always been a piss poor manager, his record at every club he's been at just confirms it. Every single time I think of him as our manager I feel sick to my stomach, what the fuck was Moshiri thinking

Panic.
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Post by: ajax_andy on April 03, 2018, 06:22:25 PM
1/6 of his votes were accidental too.

It's perception management, truth has nothing to do with it.

Actually 2/6 were...Gash was one and I forget who the other was but they fessed up a few pages back
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Post by: Ridge on April 03, 2018, 06:57:39 PM
Actually 2/6 were...Gash was one and I forget who the other was but they fessed up a few pages back

2/12 or 1/6, should have been clearer.
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Post by: ajax_andy on April 03, 2018, 07:43:02 PM
2/12 or 1/6, should have been clearer.

Haha I haven't looked at the results for a while, can't believe 10 people have legitimately voted yes!!!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 03, 2018, 07:45:06 PM
Haha I haven't looked at the results for a while, can't believe 10 people have legitimately voted yes!!!

10 clueless fuckwits
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Post by: Cereal Killer on April 03, 2018, 08:00:11 PM
10 clueless fuckwits

10 kopites
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ridge on April 03, 2018, 08:20:53 PM
Haha I haven't looked at the results for a while, can't believe 10 people have legitimately voted yes!!!

I was half expecting some of the other 10 might come forward with a similar story.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 04, 2018, 02:49:37 PM
Don't like him normally but Aldridge is spot on with his comments.

Aldridge Slams Sam

Thereís nothing quite like kicking our Wednesday morning off with a former Liverpudlian slamming an Everton manager, is there?

John Aldridge has been talking about Sam Allardyce in his Irish Independent column this week, and heís not happy with the Blues boss.

Not one bit.

ďEvertonís performance against City on Saturday was the latest example of a team appearing to be beaten before the first whistle,Ē Aldo writes. ďThe statistic that Guardiolaís side had 82 per-cent of the possession at Goodison Park [is] an embarrassment for the home team.

ďI guess we should not have been surprised as Everton boss Sam Allardyce makes no excuses for doing all he can to ruin a game before he even begins to try and win it.

That has been his tactic against the top teams for many a long year and he will not change just because he is now at a big club in Everton, but you canít imagine their supporters will put up with that nonsense for much longer.

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Post by: Ramjam on April 04, 2018, 02:53:52 PM
Have to agree with Aldo on this one
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 04, 2018, 03:00:46 PM
Iím not defending allardyce but weíve been utterly cowardly against top sides for a lot of years. Our problems seem to be embedded deep into the club
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 04, 2018, 03:13:03 PM
Iím not defending allardyce but weíve been utterly cowardly against top sides for a lot of years. Our problems seem to be embedded deep into the club

Under Moyes, City were our bitch.

Admittedly that was 4.5 years ago now.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 04, 2018, 03:15:12 PM
Iím not defending allardyce but weíve been utterly cowardly against top sides for a lot of years. Our problems seem to be embedded deep into the club

Not to this extent though.

No matter how bad we've been in the past, we were always good for a result at home.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 04, 2018, 04:32:58 PM
Iím not defending allardyce but weíve been utterly cowardly against top sides for a lot of years. Our problems seem to be embedded deep into the club

"But... but... but..."

Shut up.
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Post by: School of Science on April 04, 2018, 04:39:38 PM
Have to agree with Aldo on this one

Yes....But I hope City wallop them tonight with possession and goals and let's see how Aldo explains that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 04, 2018, 04:42:47 PM
Iím not defending allardyce but weíve been utterly cowardly against top sides for a lot of years. Our problems seem to be embedded deep into the club

We spanked them 4-0 last season at home. There was no excuse to go from that to what we saw at weekend.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 04, 2018, 06:11:52 PM
"But... but... but..."

Shut up.

Itís a fucking forum. Being a cunt isnít clever
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Post by: Bluenose 91 on April 04, 2018, 06:15:22 PM
He might well be right but I think it's always important to remember that John Aldridge is a cunt.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 04, 2018, 06:48:18 PM
Itís a fucking forum. Being a cunt isnít clever

:)

I just couldn't be arsed seeing another excuse from you, even though you dress it up as "not an excuse".

It's a strange mentality you have, I must say. For years you've been the biggest critic of any type of flair player we've had, or any player that has been widely accepted as being of a decent standard. All the while you've defended and praised those who are for the most part poor, dull and unimaginative.

And now we have this line you're towing about Sam, and how "well it's always been bad so fuck it" attitude. The other day you basically wrote that there was no point getting another manager as they wouldn't get us top 4.

There's 3 options as to the reasoning here, as far as I can see:

1. You're a WUM (and fuck me for falling for it)
2. You simply have to go against the grain each time
3. You're that miserable that you can only associate with the negative aspects of the club, and find the negative in everything, and revel in it

My money's on 3, which is pretty fucking sad really mate.

Anyway, this is a forum, so fuck me :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 04, 2018, 06:54:40 PM
I think the comment from the earlier poster was a fair one. The problem does go deeper than Allardyce. We have tried "not to lose" away from home for almost all of my life. We get exactly what we deserve with one of the worst away records in the league year after year.

There is definitely a mentality of "this will do" at the club, doing okay at home and accepting we'll get beat in most away games. Players are happy with mid-table. There needs to be a big clear out in the summer and most importantly we have to appoint a manager who sets out to win every game. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 04, 2018, 07:25:16 PM
:)

I just couldn't be arsed seeing another excuse from you, even though you dress it up as "not an excuse".

It's a strange mentality you have, I must say. For years you've been the biggest critic of any type of flair player we've had, or any player that has been widely accepted as being of a decent standard. All the while you've defended and praised those who are for the most part poor, dull and unimaginative.

And now we have this line you're towing about Sam, and how "well it's always been bad so fuck it" attitude. The other day you basically wrote that there was no point getting another manager as they wouldn't get us top 4.

There's 3 options as to the reasoning here, as far as I can see:

1. You're a WUM (and fuck me for falling for it)
2. You simply have to go against the grain each time
3. You're that miserable that you can only associate with the negative aspects of the club, and find the negative in everything, and revel in it

My money's on 3, which is pretty fucking sad really mate.

Anyway, this is a forum, so fuck me :thumbsup:

I think you just broke down his perspective on this forum in an accurate and insightful way.

He's not on his own with this 'we're all pigs rolling around in our own shit, and what's the point in aspiring to anything more' attitude. There's a little subculture with that worldview. It's transparent and self-defeating, and it's great to see someone acknowledge it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 04, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
:)

I just couldn't be arsed seeing another excuse from you, even though you dress it up as "not an excuse".

It's a strange mentality you have, I must say. For years you've been the biggest critic of any type of flair player we've had, or any player that has been widely accepted as being of a decent standard. All the while you've defended and praised those who are for the most part poor, dull and unimaginative.

And now we have this line you're towing about Sam, and how "well it's always been bad so fuck it" attitude. The other day you basically wrote that there was no point getting another manager as they wouldn't get us top 4.

There's 3 options as to the reasoning here, as far as I can see:

1. You're a WUM (and fuck me for falling for it)
2. You simply have to go against the grain each time
3. You're that miserable that you can only associate with the negative aspects of the club, and find the negative in everything, and revel in it

My money's on 3, which is pretty fucking sad really mate.

Anyway, this is a forum, so fuck me :thumbsup:

Nailed it here
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on April 04, 2018, 08:00:40 PM
We spanked them 4-0 last season at home. There was no excuse to go from that to what we saw at weekend.
The excuse for a manager is the excuse
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on April 04, 2018, 08:06:40 PM
Itís a fucking forum. Being a cunt isnít clever
How does it feel then not being clever and also being a cunt ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 04, 2018, 08:09:49 PM
How does it feel then not being clever and also being a cunt ?

I ask myself this question numerous times a day.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on April 04, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
I ask myself this question numerous times a day.
Me too!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 04, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
Me too!

Moi trois ✊🏼
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 04, 2018, 08:56:58 PM
Some pipe bomb from Jamo there.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 04, 2018, 10:14:35 PM
I think you just broke down his perspective on this forum in an accurate and insightful way.

He's not on his own with this 'we're all pigs rolling around in our own shit, and what's the point in aspiring to anything more' attitude. There's a little subculture with that worldview. It's transparent and self-defeating, and it's great to see someone acknowledge it.

If you don't care to even TRY, you might as well just pack your shit and head down for the Championship.

Just like Stoke are doing now.  Keep this shite up, it will be our turn in the barrel soon enough.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 05, 2018, 02:13:19 AM
:)

I just couldn't be arsed seeing another excuse from you, even though you dress it up as "not an excuse".

It's a strange mentality you have, I must say. For years you've been the biggest critic of any type of flair player we've had, or any player that has been widely accepted as being of a decent standard. All the while you've defended and praised those who are for the most part poor, dull and unimaginative.

And now we have this line you're towing about Sam, and how "well it's always been bad so fuck it" attitude. The other day you basically wrote that there was no point getting another manager as they wouldn't get us top 4.

There's 3 options as to the reasoning here, as far as I can see:

1. You're a WUM (and fuck me for falling for it)
2. You simply have to go against the grain each time
3. You're that miserable that you can only associate with the negative aspects of the club, and find the negative in everything, and revel in it

My money's on 3, which is pretty fucking sad really mate.

Anyway, this is a forum, so fuck me :thumbsup:


Itís actually not a defence of him. Itís defintely number 3 though. I just think most of it is shit so blaming him because we play dull uninspiring football is a little odd seeing as itís been the vast majority of the seasons I remember

Iím not really going against the grain more defending them who get slated by pointing out the rest are pretty crappy too.

Iíd like a new manager/ this season has been crap. Iíve got to the stage where I can barely be arsed to watch most weeks.

The flip side of that though is the reality that thereís a fair chance none of us will be alive to see us lift another trophy. Sorry but I donít blame allardyce for that or think really much will change when he goes.

Yeah itís defintely number 3.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 05, 2018, 02:14:51 AM
How does it feel then not being clever and also being a cunt ?

Well they go hand in hand
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 05, 2018, 02:20:01 AM
I think you just broke down his perspective on this forum in an accurate and insightful way.

He's not on his own with this 'we're all pigs rolling around in our own shit, and what's the point in aspiring to anything more' attitude. There's a little subculture with that worldview. It's transparent and self-defeating, and it's great to see someone acknowledge it.

Nothing wrong with aspring but it has to be based in reality. Weíve been told about our ambition for decades. We apparently have ambitions to be a champions league team but then try and do it by buying up all the players the champions league teams donít want
Look likes aspire but this shit isnít about a new manager. Itís about a new manager, a new DOF, 90% new team, drumming out kenwright whoís failed and failed and failed. Asking Moshiri to get some fucking sense or fuck off. Itís all not good enough
Iím not defending allardyce. Iím not saying why bother. Iím just saying that pointing the finger at 1 or 2 and expecting things to change when they are gone isnít gonna work. Top to bottom itís all falling short

On the bright side the shite are fucking 3 nil up. Itís kind of hard not to be a little miserable
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 06, 2018, 07:40:41 PM
My hate for this man grows stronger day by day


https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/982236069956542464
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 06, 2018, 07:41:17 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/982236250986856449
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Post by: Toffee1 on April 06, 2018, 07:45:30 PM
Sums him up perfectly.

http://www.football365.com/news/f365-says-big-sam-exposed-small-ambitions-everton
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Post by: Ross on April 06, 2018, 07:53:22 PM
Think heís got early on set Alzheimer's. @Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) ?

Would certainly explain a lot.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 06, 2018, 08:57:43 PM
Unbelievable
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 06, 2018, 09:01:40 PM
Hatred alone, will not remove him
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2018, 09:09:31 PM
Think he's got early on set Alzheimer's. @Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) ?

Would certainly explain a lot.

Am I Confucius? Whatís Alzheimerís?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 06, 2018, 09:15:29 PM
I'm going out on a limb here and saying west Brom weren't above us when Allardyce took over.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 06, 2018, 09:16:39 PM
Am I Confucius? Whatís Alzheimerís?

Best call a doctor looks like itís catching.
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Post by: BlueForYou on April 06, 2018, 09:19:51 PM
And we couldn't beat West Brom, either
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 06, 2018, 09:23:49 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/982236250986856449

Haha even Iím not sure how he can take credit for West Brom being dreadful.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 06, 2018, 09:28:32 PM
I'm going out on a limb here and saying west Brom weren't above us when Allardyce took over.

They were 17th, we were 13th
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 06, 2018, 09:41:55 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/982236250986856449

Hahahah ha  :wanker:

I've done a good job because I'm better than Pardew. Not exactly a great bar that you should be comparing yourself to

Fuck off cunt
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 06, 2018, 09:44:05 PM
Don't know why he's having a pop at West Brom when he couldn't even beat them.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 06, 2018, 09:47:05 PM
His arrogance is worrying me
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: ajax_andy on April 06, 2018, 09:59:25 PM
Unbelievable

Can someone please send them the results of our poll so they can run a follow up article?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 06, 2018, 11:25:32 PM
https://twitter.com/bally03/status/982244239651164163
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Post by: Escla on April 06, 2018, 11:28:50 PM
Why is the press conference not on the O.S. Censored .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 06, 2018, 11:58:24 PM
Why don't the journo's challenge him when he comes out with shit like that
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 07, 2018, 12:27:03 AM
Why don't the journo's challenge him when he comes out with shit like that

probably can't believe their ears and then he's moved on to something else

I spent time on Saturday working out if I could make it across the pitch before the stewards got to me, but reckoned I'd be too out of breath to launch two-footed at his face even if I did make it all the way across
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 07, 2018, 12:57:21 AM
Poll on Twitter by some Everton fans group, who do you like more Allardyce or Klopp

Klopp is winning by a mile
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 07, 2018, 06:33:54 AM
Lucien Favre in the running to replace Wenger according to L'Equipe. We should have gone for him when Martinez left. Another missed opportunity.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 07, 2018, 05:52:05 PM
630am blood pressure up already after reading that from him. Klopps gonna be having another laugh today. Breathe...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 07, 2018, 08:25:33 PM
The Sam Allardyce guide to game management:

1. Home to Top 6 / Away to anyone - sit back, soak up pressure and hope for a 0-0, if by luck it's still 0-0 after 80mins, maybe attack a bit

2. Away to Top 6 - will lose so might as well play some fringe players and rest others in preparation for later games

3. Home to others - play some attackers, try and win the game as statistically the best chance to get 3 points

Whatever the result, claim all praise if we've won, find someone or something else to blame if we haven't

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Tofifee on April 07, 2018, 08:50:50 PM
I hate Bisto Sam
I hate him
I hate his guts
i hate that he manages Everton
I hate that he gets money paid to him by Everton FC
I hate him
He is a gangster
He is a crook
He is an egotistical one eyed cnut
I DESPISE HIM

He has made me embarrassed to support Everton

GET HIM OUT OF OUR CLUB
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 07, 2018, 09:17:33 PM
Never be embarrassed to support Everton

But you can be embarrassed for the club
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 08, 2018, 04:46:43 AM
Picking up pace

https://twitter.com/mujrasul/status/982733563144568832?s=19
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Post by: BlueForYou on April 08, 2018, 05:04:12 AM
Tuchel to PSV?

Emery to EFC?

U 'n' I in?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blargins on April 08, 2018, 07:30:23 AM
Picking up pace

https://twitter.com/mujrasul/status/982733563144568832?s=19
Is even be prepared to go with the second choice just to get this wanker out the club.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 08, 2018, 02:47:52 PM
I think Fonseca will get better offers so wouldnít be surprised if itís Silva who comes in.

Whoever it is, they might want to bring their magic wand with them.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 08, 2018, 02:48:37 PM
Picking up pace

https://twitter.com/mujrasul/status/982733563144568832?s=19
Sounds like a rehashed story.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 08, 2018, 02:51:04 PM
I know we keep saying it but this summer is massive for this club. If that twat remains I won't be arsed to watch, talk to mates about, read about or discuss-via-forum this club.
We ought not be surprised by his comments because he's only ever swam with the bottom feeders and will consider himself having done a great job keeping us from relegation..it's all he knows. Only once has he spoken about possible European footie next season. 99% of time it's all been about relegation this, relegation that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 08, 2018, 02:53:33 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/982739930060328963
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: toffee_scot on April 08, 2018, 03:00:50 PM
I predict by the time this poll ends we will find that there will be 15 members of the fan base who will want Sam Allardyce to stay on.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 08, 2018, 03:05:01 PM
I think Fonseca will get better offers so wouldnít be surprised if itís Silva who comes in.

Whoever it is, they might want to bring their magic wand with them.

Getting this team to 7th place (which would be our aim next season) will prbabaly be one of the easiest jobs in football.

Title: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 08, 2018, 03:11:50 PM
Getting this team to 7th place (which would be our aim next season) will prbabaly be one of the easiest jobs in football.
I'd argue that Leicester have a better, balanced and settled squad than us, but that's just my opinion.

Also, I don't think the fans would be impressed with 7th.

The new manager will be expected to break the top 6th; it's the proverbial poisoned chalice.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 08, 2018, 03:15:14 PM
I predict by the time this poll ends we will find that there will be 15 members of the fan base who will want Sam Allardyce to stay on.

I voted yes but really Iím a no. Just think people have been a little unfair. We could do similar polls with Walsh and every player for a starting position and weíd maybe get yeses for only Pickford, Coleman and Tosan.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 08, 2018, 03:20:48 PM
I voted yes but really Iím a no. Just think people have been a little unfair. We could do similar polls with Walsh and every player for a starting position and weíd maybe get yeses for only Pickford, Coleman and Tosan.

Yes but it's the managers job to get the best out of these players via formation, tactics and man management.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 08, 2018, 03:21:36 PM
I havenít listened to a Sam presser in months. Why would you do that to yourselves? Youíre just reading it to fuel your outrage. Just ignore it, heíll be gone soon.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 08, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
I voted yes but really Iím a no. Just think people have been a little unfair. We could do similar polls with Walsh and every player for a starting position and weíd maybe get yeses for only Pickford, Coleman and Tosan.

I donít understand this yes vote. You donít want him here, but you voted that you do want him here because people are being mean about him?

Bananas.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 08, 2018, 03:33:18 PM
I'd argue that Leicester have a better, balanced and settled squad than us, but that's just my opinion.

Also, I don't think the fans would be impressed with 7th.

The new manager will be expected to break the top 6th; it's the proverbial poisoned chalice.

Man for man I think we're better than Leicester. Even if not, we should always be aiming to finish above them.

I think the fans would accept 7th place. We did for Koeman because we could see progress.

The manager now should've got this squad of players to 7th and its criminal how he hasn't.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 08, 2018, 03:37:51 PM
Yes but it's the managers job to get the best out of these players via formation, tactics and man management.

Agree but I think pretty much all we have isnít good enough for what our ambitions apparently are
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 08, 2018, 03:41:17 PM
Linked wih West Brom.

Probably about his level.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 08, 2018, 03:41:56 PM
I donít understand this yes vote. You donít want him here, but you voted that you do want him here because people are being mean about him?

Bananas.

Well I think people are singling him out and blaming him for a collective not good enough

The reality is this vote is meaningless past it being a stick to beat him with. Weíd get similar votes for almost every single person at the club. Which suggests everyoneís hands are tied by everyone elseís shite
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 08, 2018, 04:01:07 PM
If we end up finishing 9th this season, I think we'll have done quite well and should count ourselves quite lucky.

By no means would it be a true reflection of how poor we've been this season and yet considering 1) we lost our 2 main sources of goals from last season (and were relying on Oumar and DCL until February/March); 2) the shortcomings of the squad; 3) some of the injuries we've had, I don't think it's too bad. It looks even better if you compare it against West Brom, Stoke and Southampton - 3 well-established PL teams who are all in real danger of going down.

Personally, I think we made the right appointment with Allardyce. I'd much rather him over any of the other managers that have been hired this season - which begs the question, who else was available? He was never going to be accepted, though, and the minute results started drying up the fans wanted rid.

I've been willing to give him until the end of the season to justify keeping him on next year - mainly because I don't want us to hire someone like Paul Lambert or Mark Hughes to be our 4th manager of the season. However, results and performances haven't really improved, let alone to a level where we can feel like the club is moving in the right direction. So we have to look elsewhere.

Recent managerial changes don't fill me with much confidence, but I would hope we've been sounding out potential replacements, rather than just binning off Allardyce, waiting the World Cup and hiring Pardew the day before the season starts.




Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 08, 2018, 04:14:45 PM
Man for man I think we're better than Leicester. Even if not, we should always be aiming to finish above them.

I think the fans would accept 7th place. We did for Koeman because we could see progress.

The manager now should've got this squad of players to 7th and its criminal how he hasn't.


I think this is part of our problem really - we may not have a better team than them but we should be finishing above them anyway. That Leicester squad has achieved much more than ours recently, there is absolutely no basis for us to think we're higher than them in the pecking order.

Our squad finished 7th last season, lost 2 key attacking players, splashed out on largely average replacements and suffered a couple of injuries to leave our defence ravaged.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 08, 2018, 04:38:59 PM
Man for man I think we're better than Leicester. Even if not, we should always be aiming to finish above them.

I think the fans would accept 7th place. We did for Koeman because we could see progress.

The manager now should've got this squad of players to 7th and its criminal how he hasn't.
Fair enough.

If the new manager doesnít get at least 7th, would that be a massive a failure? Enough for the managerís position to be in jeopardy?

Itíll be interesting to know what the expectations the board/DoF will give him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Goaljira on April 08, 2018, 04:48:06 PM
Minimum expectations:
18/19: 8th, but in touching distance of 6th.
19/20: 7th, but battling for 6th until the last weekend. And a cup final.
20/21: 7th, but looking like possibles for 5th until easter.  A Europa run.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 08, 2018, 06:01:12 PM
That story is from John Richardson, and can therefore be discounted as something he made up in the office while reading clips from other newspapers about 3 months ago. The hackiest of all hacks, with no Merseyside connections.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheTone on April 08, 2018, 06:05:37 PM
Leicester have a better manager than us, that's about it
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue slug on April 08, 2018, 06:07:37 PM
Chilwell, Mahrez and vardy would walk into our starting 11
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 08, 2018, 06:09:08 PM
Leicester have a better manager than us, that's about it

Nah, they've got some good players. We'd have Ndidi, Gray, Adrien Silva, Chilwell, Maguire, Vardy, Mahrez in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 08, 2018, 06:09:28 PM
Chilwell, Mahrez and vardy would walk into our starting 11

I'm having Baines over chillwell all day.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 08, 2018, 06:16:49 PM
Nah, they've got some good players. We'd have Ndidi, Gray, Adrien Silva, Chilwell, Maguire, Vardy, Mahrez in a heartbeat.

Bar Mahrez and Vardy would you expect any of them to make a massive difference?

Theyíve only got two points more than us and I donít think Puel is in Allardyce company.

Most players at that level (and ours seemingly) are heavily influenced by the general collective around them.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue slug on April 08, 2018, 06:17:54 PM
Well Iíd say chilwell has a good 10 years left in the tank so would take him over Baines now
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 08, 2018, 06:19:05 PM
Leicester have a better manager than us, that's about it

They're so good theyíve got two points more than us and have won the same amount of games so far even though itís universally accepted weíve been shit from day one this season.

This supposed gap in quality between us isn't really reflected in the reality of the situation.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 08, 2018, 06:29:22 PM
Leicester have a better manager than us, that's about it

They do have 2 players way better than anything we have too. We lack any star quality. We have no one who scares the big sides.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 08, 2018, 06:39:33 PM
They do have 2 players way better than anything we have too. We lack any star quality. We have no one who scares the big sides.
But but bu .....Wayne...

Oh yeah.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 08, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
They're so good theyíve got two points more than us and have won the same amount of games so far even though itís universally accepted weíve been shit from day one this season.

This supposed gap in quality between us isn't really reflected in the reality of the situation.

I don't think anyone is saying they're way better than us, just that we dont have a divine right to finish above them.

We're quite equal, but they have a couple of players (who helped win them the league 2 years ago) that can win games single-handedly. We did in Lukaku and, to a lesser extent, Barkley but they left and weren't suitable replaced. As such, we have a weaker team and replicating 7th place - even in a crap league - was always going to be a struggle this season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 08, 2018, 07:12:47 PM
I don't think anyone is saying they're way better than us, just that we dont have a divine right to finish above them.

We're quite equal, but they have a couple of players (who helped win them the league 2 years ago) that can win games single-handedly. We did in Lukaku and, to a lesser extent, Barkley but they left and weren't suitable replaced. As such, we have a weaker team and replicating 7th place - even in a crap league - was always going to be a struggle this season.

And yet with these couple of players who can ďwin games single handedlyĒ Leicester have won the exact number of games as we have this season when weíve been awful, had extra European commitments and been through 3 managers and had some terrible runs while not being able to buy an away win for love nor money.

I donít get why people speak about Leicester with such deference.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 08, 2018, 07:13:45 PM
And yet with these couple of players who can "win games single handedlyĒ Leicester have won the exact number of games as we have this season when we've been awful, had extra European commitments and been through 3 managers and had some terrible runs and can't buy an away way.

I don't get why people speak about Leicester with such deference.
Won the league and that didn't they
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 08, 2018, 07:15:03 PM
Won the league and that didn't they

Thatíll have no bearing on how they do next season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Shogun on April 08, 2018, 08:17:41 PM
Some people might want to actually check Leicesterís results.

They havenít won at home for five matches, failing to beat Swansea, Stoke, Bournemouth and Newcastle during that run.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Heisenberg on April 08, 2018, 08:21:43 PM
Not even sure if this tweet is a piss take

https://twitter.com/efcfanscorner_/status/982965725685043200?s=21
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 09, 2018, 02:53:20 AM
No.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 09, 2018, 03:29:22 AM
That can't be real
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 09, 2018, 04:58:15 AM
And yet with these couple of players who can ďwin games single handedlyĒ Leicester have won the exact number of games as we have this season when weíve been awful, had extra European commitments and been through 3 managers and had some terrible runs while not being able to buy an away win for love nor money.

I donít get why people speak about Leicester with such deference.

So are you saying we're better than Leicester or we're crap?

I'm not speaking about them with deference at all, but it's just plain ignorant to say that we should expect to finish at least 7th, above the likes of Leicester, when we have achieved the square root of fuck all for 30 years. The way we have played this season, we're lucky to come above anyone.

When you have players like Martina, Williams, Schneiderlin and DCL starting week in week out, you have no right to expect anything. Yes, we've been more of a fixture in the league than they have, but that doesn't win you matches. We've had 3 poor seasons out of 4 now, we're nowhere near the force we were in our (most recent) peak under Moyes and Martinez's first season.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 09, 2018, 05:28:29 AM
Accurate article about SA in the Guardian tomorrow........
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/08/numbers-game-fails-to-add-up-for-sam-allardyce-and-everton-liverpool
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 09, 2018, 05:35:22 AM
So are you saying we're better than Leicester or we're crap?

I'm not speaking about them with deference at all, but it's just plain ignorant to say that we should expect to finish at least 7th, above the likes of Leicester, when we have achieved the square root of fuck all for 30 years. The way we have played this season, we're lucky to come above anyone.

When you have players like Martina, Williams, Schneiderlin and DCL starting week in week out, you have no right to expect anything. Yes, we've been more of a fixture in the league than they have, but that doesn't win you matches. We've had 3 poor seasons out of 4 now, we're nowhere near the force we were in our (most recent) peak under Moyes and Martinez's first season.




I thought it was relatively clear what I was saying....

Weíve been very poor this season, yeah? They're getting bigged up with talk of ďgame changing playersĒ etc etc.. yet somehow they arenít changing many games, or winning any more games than us, even though weíve be unanimously regarded as shit, with or without ours or their ďgame changersĒ. Therefore next season after all this turmoil dies down and weíve got some stability back theyíre not something we should be concerned about from the offset, or even this season were we can easily still finish above them regardless of them have a ďcouple of game changesĒ.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueMaquis on April 09, 2018, 08:04:18 AM
The poll is misleading. There's no option for those of us who want Allardyce to be appointed lifetime manager of EFC, like Xi Jinping's presidency. I really feel he will lead us to glory if given the chance.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Juanito on April 09, 2018, 03:02:21 PM
Accurate article about SA in the Guardian tomorrow........
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/08/numbers-game-fails-to-add-up-for-sam-allardyce-and-everton-liverpool

Very good article.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 09, 2018, 03:31:29 PM
Chilwell, Mahrez and vardy would walk into our starting 11

...and they would probably outpace 90% of our team doing so.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dekko on April 09, 2018, 03:54:52 PM
Sam to Wes Brom. Please make it happen!!!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: ZVictorOne on April 09, 2018, 04:19:01 PM
Accurate article about SA in the Guardian tomorrow........
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/08/numbers-game-fails-to-add-up-for-sam-allardyce-and-everton-liverpool
Absolutely right. We don't need to win. The only thing stopping us from giving fringe players like Klaasen a chance is Allardyce's ego. Thinks only of himself.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on April 09, 2018, 04:30:34 PM
Accurate article about SA in the Guardian tomorrow........
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/08/numbers-game-fails-to-add-up-for-sam-allardyce-and-everton-liverpool

Is it just me or is there a massive disparity with how heís viewed by the papers compared to pundits on tv?

Very very rarely does anyone criticise him on telly, but you do see articles like this.

Probably an old boys club thing isnít it. Plus ex players scared of bumping into him in some swanky lounge and getting a tongue lashing.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 09, 2018, 04:35:43 PM
Is it just me or is there a massive disparity with how he's viewed by the papers compared to pundits on tv?

Very very rarely does anyone criticise him on telly, but you do see articles like this.

Probably an old boys club thing isn't it. Plus ex players scared of bumping into him in some swanky lounge and getting a tongue lashing.
Robbie Fowler and Owen Hargreaves called him out for what he is during the derby on Optus Sports
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 09, 2018, 04:36:07 PM
A lot of pundits are now saying what we all are, except Danny Murphy, but he's a cunt and should be ignored
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 09, 2018, 05:08:32 PM

I thought it was relatively clear what I was saying....

Weíve been very poor this season, yeah? They're getting bigged up with talk of ďgame changing playersĒ etc etc.. yet somehow they arenít changing many games, or winning any more games than us, even though weíve be unanimously regarded as shit, with or without ours or their ďgame changersĒ. Therefore next season after all this turmoil dies down and weíve got some stability back theyíre not something we should be concerned about from the offset, or even this season were we can easily still finish above them regardless of them have a ďcouple of game changesĒ.

I think you're overplaying how good we are - or could be with this squad. We lost our game-changers. Lukaku's goals papered over a lot of cracks - we've an ageing defence, decent midfield on its day (including Walcott) and a relatively unproven striker. But nothing to suggest we should be much higher, when you take into account an established top 6 and Burnley, who seem to be the 'purple patch' team this season.

Nobody likes the way we've done it, but considering how badly we've played to be 9th is verging on a miracle.

Leicester are firmly in our bracket at the moment, as were Southampton a couple of seasons ago when Koeman joined - I remember arguing with a couple of Saints fans about whether or not joining Everton was a sideways move for him. Times change quickly - it wasn't long ago that the current bottom 3 were established top half/mid-table teams.

With this squad, a new manager won't be enough to take us to the next level, I don't think. So while Allardyce has been taking stick, I'm not really sure we could have realistically expected much more (league table-wise). Maybe a place or even 2, if we're being greedy.

Our hope is that investing in the right areas of the team this summer and getting the manager right, should see us take a step back towards where we were this time last year.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 09, 2018, 05:17:03 PM
A lot of pundits are now saying what we all are, except Danny Murphy, but he's a cunt and should be ignored

Lee Carsley seemed to back him the other day. I'm not saying that to justify any kind of opinion but it did make me wonder who generally supports him in the media. Is it mainly ex-Blues, Kopites etc.?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: ajax_andy on April 09, 2018, 05:32:32 PM
A lot of pundits are now saying what we all are, except Danny Murphy, but he's a cunt and should be ignored

I know I'm in the minority here but I actually really like Danny Murphy as a pundit
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: formerKHL on April 09, 2018, 06:24:43 PM
just heard him on talksport...

he obviously reckons he's doing a good job and the fans in the majority "like/want him here"....he then kinda contradicted himself by saying "the fans don't really bother him..." suggesting that he realises there's an element of we don't want him here...

breaking it down to basics....he's done what he was brought in to do.....
questions are - would koeman eventually have got it right?...would a different manager have turned it around?

we'll never know so we have to accept the fact allardyce "has done his job".....

do the majority of fans "like him/want him here"....I firmly believe NO they don't..I haven't personally spoken to anyone who wants him here next year........

Personally... I think his team selections are poor....his tactics are poor and there's no glimmer it will improve under him...

over the last few seasons we've been a 6-9th place team...and we still are......will it be better next season under him ?

Jim White opened up the lines for evertonians as he doesn't know what we want/expect..

What I want/expect is simply a team on the pitch who are the right players in the right positions who are capable of giving top teams a game...then actually doing it...PLUS not only beating the teams we would be expected to beat but beating them well and by that I mean playing well

and i believe we have that already....but are being held back by the manager....

my 2 cents...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 09, 2018, 06:35:53 PM
I know I'm in the minority here but I actually really like Danny Murphy as a pundit

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 09, 2018, 07:23:05 PM
Can we get a "fuck off Sam Allardyce" chant organised for 90 minutes for the game against Newcastle?!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on April 09, 2018, 07:26:04 PM
Lee Carsley seemed to back him the other day. I'm not saying that to justify any kind of opinion but it did make me wonder who generally supports him in the media. Is it mainly ex-Blues, Kopites etc.?

Was really surprised at lee carsley, wtf was he going on about
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gary1878 on April 09, 2018, 07:31:16 PM
Ultimately, this all comes down to one question for the fans, why do you watch football?

The answer for most will be that it is entertaining. Football under Sam Allardyce is not entertaining. It is dull. And it isn't just the football that is boring, it is also the man himself. What he represents is everything that I don't want Everton to be. Boring, Backward, Defensive, passion-sapping.

This guy was a quick fix for us when things were looking bad. It has been a crap season but fortunately we have so much quality that even playing shite football allows us to be in 9th.

As soon as the last game has been played, terminate the contract and move onwards and upwards.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 09, 2018, 07:45:11 PM
I reckon Marco silva would've got us 7th place.

Let no one be under the illusion that Allardyce has done a good job.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dazfrancis on April 09, 2018, 07:48:55 PM
If we want to progress there is absolutely no way he should be here. He is simply unable to get his head around the fact you can be an attacking side and not compromise your defending.

He is also unable to coach a team to keep possession. For a manager who likes stats, he seems to conveniently overlook one of the most important stats you tend to need in your favour to win football games.

He's a psuedo-intellectual football dinosaur
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 09, 2018, 07:49:31 PM
Ultimately, this all comes down to one question for the fans, why do you watch football?

The answer for most will be that it is entertaining. Football under Sam Allardyce is not entertaining. It is dull. And it isn't just the football that is boring, it is also the man himself. What he represents is everything that I don't want Everton to be. Boring, Backward, Defensive, passion-sapping.

This guy was a quick fix for us when things were looking bad. It has been a crap season but fortunately we have so much quality that even playing shite football allows us to be in 9th.

As soon as the last game has been played, terminate the contract and move onwards and upwards.


Unless you can just throw money at top quality players like City, there has to be some kind of balance between pragmatism and free-flowing, entertaining football.

Allardyce was a quick fix and the football has been awful. But I disagree about the quality of the squad and don't think you can solely attribute our poor form to one manager after another - we're in 9th in spite of the players (and also that the league is terrible). I mean, look at the defence we've been playing!

We should look to move on, but we only terminate his contract when we have someone lined up. Otherwise, we'll end up in exactly the same situation that led to us appointing Allardyce in the first place.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 09, 2018, 07:50:30 PM
I reckon Marco silva would've got us 7th place.


On what basis? Because he hasn't got a great record with Hull or Watford now.

It's also entirely academic because we tried to get him but he wasn't available. Pep and Diego Simeone probably could've dragged us to 7th but they weren't available either.

When you look at the other teams who changed managers, with the exception maybe of Puel, I think we could've done a lot worse.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 09, 2018, 07:53:35 PM
On what basis?

I think his positivity would've given us that new manager boost and we would've carried it on from there. These players like playing positive, attacking football.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 09, 2018, 07:56:43 PM
I think his positivity would've given us that new manager boost and we would've carried it on from there. These players like playing positive, attacking football.


So saying Walcott doesnt want to be a right back like he was at the weekend?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 09, 2018, 07:58:03 PM
I think his positivity would've given us that new manager boost and we would've carried it on from there. These players like playing positive, attacking football.


We had a new manager boost anyway.

I think if Cuco Martina, Ashley Williams and Jonjoe Kenny (at this stage of his career) form 3/4s of your defence for large parts of the season, it doesn't really matter what you do going forward.

Let alone, when you do break forward, your 2 best/only options are DCL and Niasse (as much as I love him).
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 09, 2018, 08:43:44 PM
We had a new manager boost anyway.

I think if Cuco Martina, Ashley Williams and Jonjoe Kenny (at this stage of his career) form 3/4s of your defence for large parts of the season, it doesn't really matter what you do going forward.

Let alone, when you do break forward, your 2 best/only options are DCL and Niasse (as much as I love him).

I'm talking a more sustained period of good results that goes past winning home against relegation fodder.

For me, the positivity and attacking intent Silva brings would've seen us pick up more points away from home and more points against the bigger teams.

The game at the weekend, for example.

We should've won, but his negativity meant we spent most of the game camped in our own half, when they were there for the taking. A manager like Silva sees that and goes for the win.

I said when he first came in that he should be getting this team to 7th, considering the lack of quality in the league. The fact Burnley went 11 games without a win and managed to stay 7th proves that.

Sam has got the absolute bare minimum out of this squad.

Even with the additions of Walcott, tosun, the reintroduction of Coleman and Baines we aren't much better than when he first come in.

I'm personally in the anyone but Sam camp as I think this squad gets top 10 with a chimp managing it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 09, 2018, 08:49:47 PM
Plus, if you leave him in place this summer...whoever can get out, will surely attempt to do so.  You will see the patented "post-Allardyce hollowing out" begin in earnest.  He will get the sack before the chickens fully come home to roost, of course.  But the seeds will have been planted.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 09, 2018, 09:22:53 PM
I'm talking a more sustained period of good results that goes past winning home against relegation fodder.

For me, the positivity and attacking intent Silva brings would've seen us pick up more points away from home and more points against the bigger teams.

The game at the weekend, for example.

We should've won, but his negativity meant we spent most of the game camped in our own half, when they were there for the taking. A manager like Silva sees that and goes for the win.

I said when he first came in that he should be getting this team to 7th, considering the lack of quality in the league. The fact Burnley went 11 games without a win and managed to stay 7th proves that.

Sam has got the absolute bare minimum out of this squad.

Even with the additions of Walcott, tosun, the reintroduction of Coleman and Baines we aren't much better than when he first come in.

I'm personally in the anyone but Sam camp as I think this squad gets top 10 with a chimp managing it.

The game plan for the Liverpool game was pathetic. You have Walcott playing against a CB (and an average CB with mistakes in him at that) who has never played LB before, and we don't even bother bringing him into the game until the 75th minute. Utter garbage from Mr No Relegation.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 09, 2018, 09:59:15 PM
The game plan for the Liverpool game was pathetic. You have Walcott playing against a CB (and an average CB with mistakes in him at that) who has never played LB before, and we don't even bother bringing him into the game until the 75th minute. Utter garbage from Mr No Relegation.

The game plan from the off was clear for all to see, play for a point.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 09, 2018, 10:37:53 PM
The game plan from the off was clear for all to see, play for a point.
AkA ....shithouse it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 10, 2018, 02:29:51 AM
I'm talking a more sustained period of good results that goes past winning home against relegation fodder.

For me, the positivity and attacking intent Silva brings would've seen us pick up more points away from home and more points against the bigger teams.

The game at the weekend, for example.

We should've won, but his negativity meant we spent most of the game camped in our own half, when they were there for the taking. A manager like Silva sees that and goes for the win.

I said when he first came in that he should be getting this team to 7th, considering the lack of quality in the league. The fact Burnley went 11 games without a win and managed to stay 7th proves that.

Sam has got the absolute bare minimum out of this squad.

Even with the additions of Walcott, tosun, the reintroduction of Coleman and Baines we aren't much better than when he first come in.

I'm personally in the anyone but Sam camp as I think this squad gets top 10 with a chimp managing it.

I disagree, in that at the time we needed to prioritise organising defence. The 4-1 at a very poor Southampton was the straw that broke the camel's back.

But as I said before, we went for Silva but he wasn't available so it's all academic. Clearly the board agreed but when Silva was ruled out and we kept getting hammered, they turned to the safest option. And out of Pardew, Lambert, Hughes, Hodgson, Moyes, Gracia, Carvalhal and Puel, I don't think (m)any of them would have inspired much more confidence or enthusiasm than Allardyce.

I also don't think the squad is as good as people think it is. It can't be a coincidence that with the exception of last year - and even then we were knocked out the cup early and were crap for large parts of the season - we have been very poor and limped to 11th, 11th, 7th and whatever pathetic effort we manage this season. The managers have taken their fair share of flak (rightly so for the most part) and we're scrutinising Walsh's role in the recruitment. But at some point the players have to step up and produce what everyone seems to think they're capable of.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2018, 03:54:16 AM
Sharp has apparently said Allardyce' style of football isn't good for us.
https://twitter.com/WatchedToffee/status/983434447851749377

And stuff like this

https://twitter.com/liammadevisible/status/983436650159202306
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Post by: kiwiblue65 on April 10, 2018, 07:53:23 AM
Only an idiot would press yes.
Did you press it
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Post by: Confucius on April 10, 2018, 09:22:43 AM
Did you press it

HAhA. Spot on.
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Post by: Waltzer on April 10, 2018, 05:33:05 PM
See Laurent Blanc is being mentioned in a few papers in France today. Hope this is an indication we are assessing whose out there, available and willing to join in the summer
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Post by: blargins on April 10, 2018, 06:19:44 PM
Did you press it

I meant to, but I'm an idiot and pressed no by mistake :p
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Post by: Hawkandro on April 10, 2018, 07:49:59 PM
See Laurent Blanc is being mentioned in a few papers in France today. Hope this is an indication we are assessing whose out there, available and willing to join in the summer

http://readeverton.com/2018/04/10/everton-considering-blanc-approach/
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Post by: pjk on April 10, 2018, 08:10:35 PM
I'm not sure if there's anything in this, but it should cheer quite a few of us up. :)



https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/982739930060328963
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Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2018, 08:24:41 PM
I'm not sure if there's anything in this, but it should cheer quite a few of us up. :)



https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/982739930060328963

Just a rehash of the same scraps that keep floating around. No-one has really got a clue but they like to try and stay popular by pretending they have.
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Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 09:48:43 PM
I see he's making comments about how they are going to have a bit of a clear out and look to invest in the squad. Kinda sounds like he's making plans for next season
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Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2018, 10:22:34 PM
I see he's making comments about how they are going to have a bit of a clear out and look to invest in the squad. Kinda sounds like he's making plans for next season

I find it inconceivable that he'll still be here next season, regardless of what comes out of his mouth.
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Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 10:24:37 PM
I think around 30k fans need to have shit loads of banners saying fuck off fat Sam etc. Just in case Moshiri is considering him for another year.
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Post by: American Evertonian on April 10, 2018, 10:28:27 PM
I'm not sure if there's anything in this, but it should cheer quite a few of us up. :)



https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/982739930060328963

Honestly I am sold less and less on Marco Silva as time passes. I hope if we don't go for Fonseca that we look at managers like Emery or Blanc before settling for Silva.
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Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 10:34:45 PM
I think the massive percentage wanting forseca hired, is such that if he comes and fails none of us can really moan at the boards decision
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Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2018, 11:00:20 PM
https://twitter.com/FCShakhtar/status/983733992347328513
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Post by: blue slug on April 10, 2018, 11:16:12 PM
there are plenty of other managers about especially ones which will be an improvement on allardyce
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Post by: TheRam on April 10, 2018, 11:16:13 PM
Fuck off
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Post by: Jimmywhack on April 10, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Fewming
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Post by: Audrey Horne on April 10, 2018, 11:40:55 PM
just a player thats signed isnt it??
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Post by: blueToffee on April 11, 2018, 12:12:55 AM
just a player thats signed isnt it??

Yep.

Translation via Google:
Shakhtar has extended the contract with Andrei Pyatov for two and a half years!

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 11, 2018, 02:08:31 PM
Honestly I am sold less and less on Marco Silva as time passes. I hope if we don't go for Fonseca that we look at managers like Emery or Blanc before settling for Silva.
Im with you on this, was all up for him at the time but his record is average at best, he had the worst record out of all the recent managers at Watford despite spending the most
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Post by: Redartin on April 11, 2018, 02:53:51 PM
See Laurent Blanc is being mentioned in a few papers in France today. Hope this is an indication we are assessing whose out there, available and willing to join in the summer
There are always a number of international managers who become available after a major tournament like the World Cup.

Im with you on this, was all up for him at the time but his record is average at best, he had the worst record out of all the recent managers at Watford despite spending the most
But that was our fault, after we expressed an interest he went to bits.
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Post by: dunkster on April 11, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
For me silva will probably get better results from the players we already have. I'm not sure if he'd attract buying the players we need. There are other managers I think we could get, who could do both.
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Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 03:33:28 PM
Fonseca for me.
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Post by: Hawkandro on April 11, 2018, 03:34:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ReadEverton/status/983847275540680707

Steve Walsh with another scouting masterclass?
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 11, 2018, 03:53:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ReadEverton/status/983847275540680707

Steve Walsh with another scouting masterclass?

God help us
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Post by: Macca77 on April 11, 2018, 04:04:33 PM
That's a lot of bollocks and should be ignored
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Post by: boothill on April 11, 2018, 04:20:47 PM
Honestly I am sold less and less on Marco Silva as time passes. I hope if we don't go for Fonseca that we look at managers like Emery or Blanc before settling for Silva.
Whats blanc done though ?
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Post by: sam of the south on April 11, 2018, 04:23:50 PM
That's a lot of bollocks and should be ignored

Haha, we would become Leicester, minus Vardy, Mahrez, and definitely minus a league title
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Post by: Escla on April 11, 2018, 04:25:29 PM
Haha, we would become Leicester, minus Vardy, Mahrez, and definitely minus a league title

...and Shakespeare ...?
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Post by: sam of the south on April 11, 2018, 04:35:47 PM
...and Shakespeare ...?

Haha, I donít think Ranieri would want Brutus behind him again
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Post by: dunkster on April 11, 2018, 04:45:43 PM
I do hope it's something that's sorted pretty quickly. Look how long our last search took. It's far more important than any player that we are looking at buying.
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Post by: Brownie on April 11, 2018, 04:50:44 PM
Whats blanc done though ?

Won a few trophies with Bordeaux and PSG. They sacked him for not getting past CL quarters
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Post by: Hawkandro on April 11, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
That's a lot of bollocks and should be ignored

It does seem like to the silly season has now begun in earnest again.
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Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 04:54:49 PM
We need a winner. Someone willing to put pressure on themselves to change the mentality of the whole club. Pochettino has done it at Spurs. They're expected to challenge for the league and are a Champions League level club now. We need someone who won't accept 7th in the league as a successful season for this club.
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Post by: blargins on April 11, 2018, 05:00:18 PM
We need a winner. Someone willing to put pressure on themselves to change the mentality of the whole club. Pochettino has done it at Spurs. They're expected to challenge for the league and are a Champions League level club now. We need someone who won't accept 7th in the league as a successful season for this club.
Itís going to be interesting this Spurs team and seeing how Ponch deals with it. I think itís at its peak right now and will begin to break up based on important players aging and leaving. Will be watching to see how he deals with that. I doubt Kane will hang around too many more seasons if they donít win anything for a start.
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Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 05:05:50 PM
Agreed. It will be a difficult task to replace certain players if they do leave and he's working with a tight budget as it is. Regardless, I think he's done a good job in building that team and changing expectations from being the best of the rest to a genuine top four club.
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Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 05:16:50 PM
It’s going to be interesting this Spurs team and seeing how Ponch deals with it. I think it’s at its peak right now and will begin to break up based on important players aging and leaving. Will be watching to see how he deals with that. I doubt Kane will hang around too many more seasons if they don’t win anything for a start.

They always sell high and buy reasonably wisely in recent seasons. They'll probably get top money for Alderweireld and a few other fringe players and invest it again in players who are young enough to increase in value. Ah, I remember them days...
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Post by: blargins on April 11, 2018, 05:27:02 PM
They always sell high and buy reasonably wisely in recent seasons. They'll probably get top money for Alderweireld and a few other fringe players and invest it again in players who are young enough to increase in value. Ah, I remember them days...

It's getting the right blend of players back in that's the hard part. See what happened to them when they sold Bale and us this season after selling Lukaku. Not easy.
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Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 05:40:31 PM
It's getting the right blend of players back in that's the hard part. See what happened to them when they sold Bale and us this season after selling Lukaku. Not easy.

They made the same mistake we did in selling our best player and buying a load of players of a lower standard to compensate. We should have spent big for another striker and focal point for the team and then worked backwards from there.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 11, 2018, 05:41:05 PM
They always sell high and buy reasonably wisely in recent seasons. They'll probably get top money for Alderweireld and a few other fringe players and invest it again in players who are young enough to increase in value. Ah, I remember them days...

Thatís the model to emulate
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Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 05:42:26 PM
That’s the model to emulate

Strange thing is we already did this pretty well before Moshiri came in with his 'money is not a concern under me' mentality.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: boothill on April 11, 2018, 05:52:30 PM
Won a few trophies with Bordeaux and PSG. They sacked him for not getting past CL quarters
Admit bordeaux, but that was 10 years ago, and psg is one of the worlds richest clubs and he done what was only expected with the players he brought in and still they were no great shakes, psg is to the french league what celtic is to the spl at the moment. i dont rate him tbh brownie
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Post by: Bluedylan on April 11, 2018, 05:55:24 PM
They always sell high and buy reasonably wisely in recent seasons. They'll probably get top money for Alderweireld and a few other fringe players and invest it again in players who are young enough to increase in value. Ah, I remember them days...

Yeah that's it. They'll be selling Rose and Alderweireld this season, both of whom were very important players. But they both fluttered their eyelashes elsewhere, and Poch just wasn't having it. He doesn't give a fuck who you are and what your rep is (maybe Kane aside). He's already got Alderweireld's replacement in with half a season under his belt, and I dare say they've prepared a replacement for Rose. Brilliant, ruthless management. If you're not totally with us, you're against us.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: boothill on April 11, 2018, 05:56:37 PM
They always sell high and buy reasonably wisely in recent seasons. They'll probably get top money for Alderweireld and a few other fringe players and invest it again in players who are young enough to increase in value. Ah, I remember them days...
That levy is very shrewd, mosh wouldnt do himself any harm studying him for a while
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Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 06:05:09 PM
Yeah that's it. They'll be selling Rose and Alderweireld this season, both of whom were very important players. But they both fluttered their eyelashes elsewhere, and Poch just wasn't having it. He doesn't give a fuck who you are and what your rep is (maybe Kane aside). He's already got Alderweireld's replacement in with half a season under his belt, and I dare say they've prepared a replacement for Rose. Brilliant, ruthless management. If you're not totally with us, you're against us.

It sounds simple in theory. Insist on a high energy, high press style of play to overwhelm the opposition and buy players young enough to fit that style. Then put an arm around players to bring them together as a group but know that they're all dispensable should the need arise.

As ever with management in all professions though you need the personality to execute it and the mentality to demand people buy into you but that's only a small % of the population. Him and Guardiola stand out as they're the epitome of it.

You'd like to think there are some young coaches out there looking at them two and striving to learn every detail in order to attempt to emulate it. This is where your Director of Football should be conducting his searches and if he can't find one that's already out there then trying to identify individuals who stand out and who we could invest in and mould, with the right level of support and backing.
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Post by: Brownie on April 11, 2018, 06:25:42 PM
Admit bordeaux, but that was 10 years ago, and psg is one of the worlds richest clubs and he done what was only expected with the players he brought in and still they were no great shakes, psg is to the french league what celtic is to the spl at the moment. i dont rate him tbh brownie

TBH I just looked up his record to answer your question for myself. I'm becoming apathetic to the whole manager thing until Sam has gone
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 11, 2018, 07:09:06 PM
They made the same mistake we did in selling our best player and buying a load of players of a lower standard to compensate. We should have spent big for another striker and focal point for the team and then worked backwards from there.

I would say least they had a punt at finding the next Gareth bale. They signed a load of unproven flair players in the hope of getting lucky. Was shit but there was at least some sense in it. We seemed to sign a load of players who everyone knew werenít ever gonna be quite good enough
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Post by: Ramjam on April 11, 2018, 07:29:39 PM
I would say least they had a punt at finding the next Gareth bale. They signed a load of unproven flair players in the hope of getting lucky. Was shit but there was at least some sense in it. We seemed to sign a load of players who everyone knew weren't ever gonna be quite good enough
Everyone except us, we were all creaming our kecks over them
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Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 07:34:22 PM
I would say least they had a punt at finding the next Gareth bale. They signed a load of unproven flair players in the hope of getting lucky. Was shit but there was at least some sense in it. We seemed to sign a load of players who everyone knew weren’t ever gonna be quite good enough

True. Eriksen has come good out of that round of recruitment so that alone makes it a success, Lamela isn't as bad as he first showed either.

We could probably double our money on Pickford shortly but that's about it. Unless Vlasic gets a go and turns out to be quality.
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 11, 2018, 07:37:34 PM
Everyone except us, we were all creaming our kecks over them

We were when they signed but beforehand almost everyone was quoting smaller prices from them. People were saying 15-20 for pickford and Keane were questioning if Rooney was worth the wages and no one thought sigurdsson was worth 45 at the beginning of the window. Think we just all got caught up in the excitement of our new wealth
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Post by: Ramjam on April 11, 2018, 07:37:34 PM
Pickford needs to be Englandís number one and only then weíd get good money for him
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 11, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
True. Eriksen has come good out of that round of recruitment so that alone makes it a success, Lamela isn't as bad as he first showed either.

We could probably double our money on Pickford shortly but that's about it. Unless Vlasic gets a go and turns out to be quality.

This is my issue with sigurdsson. Actually think he's been our best player this season but to sign someone who's 27-28 very consistent but a little unspectacular for such a premium. He was completely proven and a little short of our apparent ambitions. Not sure how we could expect much improvement from him. We have to be more imaginative in the market or at least like in Walcott's case get them for a good fee

We seem to want either proven or punts on kids. We need to be marketing ourselves as a better option than sitting on a champions league teams bench for the great prospects
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Post by: Hawkandro on April 11, 2018, 07:53:46 PM
Jokanovic should be considered too, working miracles at Fulham.
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Post by: Escla on April 12, 2018, 12:22:04 AM
Pickford needs to be Englandís number one and only then weíd get good money for him

If Pickford becomes Englandís No.1 Iíd rather like to keep him.
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Post by: Alanvideo on April 12, 2018, 12:52:32 AM
Jokanovic should be considered too, working miracles at Fulham.
...............ok but what about Nuno at Wolves
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Post by: boothill on April 12, 2018, 12:55:57 AM
...............ok but what about Nuno at Wolves
hed be my choice
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Post by: Bluedylan on April 12, 2018, 12:57:38 AM
...............ok but what about Nuno at Wolves

He'll want to have a go with Wolves in the Prem.
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Post by: BlueForYou on April 12, 2018, 12:58:37 AM
Safe from relegation, no European qualification - if Moshiri is serious about appointing a new manager for next season, why hang on to the end of this season to part ways with Allardyce? There is no benefit to either the club or Allardyce

Surely, it would be better to sever ties now to eliminate uncertainty and make our position clear that we're in the hunt for a replacement?

I don't comprehend that Moshiri is on the lookout, just yet

Maybe Sam will return to Bolton!

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Post by: Paddockoldie on April 12, 2018, 01:19:19 AM
Safe from relegation, no European qualification - if Moshiri is serious about appointing a new manager for next season, why hang on to the end of this season to part ways with Allardyce? There is no benefit to either the club or Allardyce

Surely, it would be better to sever ties now to eliminate uncertainty and make our position clear that we're in the hunt for a replacement?

I don't comprehend that Moshiri is on the lookout, just yet

Maybe Sam will return to Bolton!



THIS!!!! All day long. Just get it done Moshi
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 12, 2018, 01:23:18 AM
Safe from relegation, no European qualification - if Moshiri is serious about appointing a new manager for next season, why hang on to the end of this season to part ways with Allardyce? There is no benefit to either the club or Allardyce

Surely, it would be better to sever ties now to eliminate uncertainty and make our position clear that we're in the hunt for a replacement?

I don't comprehend that Moshiri is on the lookout, just yet

Maybe Sam will return to Bolton!



Well if we intend to appoint a manager already in a job (whoís probably doing quite well currently) I doubt heíd want to leave his current club in the lurch to manage 6 or 7 meaningless games for us instead.
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Post by: BlueMaquis on April 12, 2018, 01:46:22 AM
Well if we intend to appoint a manager already in a job (whoís probably doing quite well currently) I doubt heíd want to leave his current club in the lurch to manage 6 or 7 meaningless games for us instead.

Isn't that what David Unsworth is for?
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Post by: Bluedylan on April 12, 2018, 01:49:01 AM
Isn't that what David Unsworth is for?

Haven't we already treated him badly enough, without giving him another thankless task?
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Post by: Escla on April 12, 2018, 02:01:16 AM
Isn't that what David Unsworth is for?

No, heís not the dogs body, he was given a couple of games, told he wasnít good enough and sent back to his old job, why would he let them wipe the floor with him again, heís the Under 23ís coach not the Asst.Manager.
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Post by: Paddockoldie on April 12, 2018, 02:57:42 AM
Let Duncan see the season out?
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 12, 2018, 03:14:22 AM
Whatís the point of sacking allardyce now if we have no one to put in permanent charge. If the rest of the season is meaningless then what do we gain
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Post by: blue slug on April 12, 2018, 03:23:41 AM
I just think while allardyce is here heís creating a negative atmosphere so why not get rid now we are safe, no point in him hanging around being a cunt
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Post by: BlueForYou on April 12, 2018, 03:37:10 AM
That's the point: negative atmosphere - release it

Unsworth, Ebbrell and Ferguson between them for five games



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Post by: Macca77 on April 12, 2018, 04:03:42 AM
I want to believe

https://twitter.com/BobStarkey3/status/984157301497049089
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Post by: blue slug on April 12, 2018, 04:06:44 AM
Why the 30th April
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Post by: kramer0 on April 12, 2018, 04:08:59 AM
Any relation to Richard Starkey?
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 12, 2018, 04:19:03 AM
That's the point: negative atmosphere - release it

Unsworth, Ebbrell and Ferguson between them for five games





Assuming heís going anyways.....
Maybe we are creating the bad atmosphere? Heís reacted incredibly badly to criticism but Iím really not sure heís sorely responsible to the bad atmosphere. It started with his appointment
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Post by: BlueMaquis on April 12, 2018, 12:07:51 PM
Why the 30th April

National Persian Gulf Day. Must be Moshiri's choice.

Quote
Persian Gulf Day is a very important day for the Iranian people and it is celebrated annually on 30 April. It has taken place every year since 2004, and is marked with various ceremonies in Iran, especially in the coastal cities of the Persian Gulf. [1] The Persian Gulf, in Western Asia, is an extension of the Indian Ocean located between Iran (Persia) and the Arabian Peninsula.[2]
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Post by: Hawkandro on April 12, 2018, 02:46:08 PM
...............ok but what about Nuno at Wolves

Another good choice; Jokanovic could bring Sessegnon and Nuno Neves.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 12, 2018, 07:16:03 PM
The timing's right for Emery
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 12, 2018, 07:29:24 PM
Interesting tweets:

https://twitter.com/james_corbett/status/984406601254793216

https://twitter.com/james_corbett/status/984407817804238848
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 12, 2018, 07:33:40 PM
Something must have leaked out, as Paul Joyce has just dropped this:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/defining-date-for-everton-to-unite-is-fast-approaching-h2kk37shr



Monday, May 14, 2018: a date which should be ringed in blue at Everton.

Not because it will mark the end of a traumatic season, although that is ample enough reason. But, rather, it must signal the start of a move to unify a club fragmented by discord at present.

Farhad Moshiri, Evertonís major shareholder, has endured testing times since buying his stake two years ago, but the real difficulty lies in getting a succession of key decisions right over the coming weeks in order to give the club a chance to stride purposefully forward.

Evertonís CEO Robert Elstone is leaving for rugby league and a role with Super League and a replacement needs to be identified. Decisions need to be made over the future of the director of football Steve Walsh, and the reshaping of the playing squad.


And, to begin with, there needs to be clarity over the managerís position.




There was another example of Sam Allardyceís flawed relationship with the club last weekend when he was discussing the prospect of Davy Klaassen, the £23.5 million signing whose sole contribution to the Merseyside derby was his familyís sponsorship of the match ball, being granted some minutes in the coming week.

Allardyce explained he wanted to pick the Holland midfielder but added he did not have the ďluxuryĒ of doing so. ďIf we lose, itís me that gets the stick,Ē he opined.

Rooney showed his frustration with Allardyce when he was substituted against Liverpool last weekend
PA

The Everton managerís default position whenever any mention of discontent over his reign has been raised has been to dismiss its significance. The grumbling, he said, is confined to the world of social media, to the prism of Twitter and Facebook, and not truly representative.

Yet saying his own reputation was more important than nurturing that of Klaassen not only felt small-minded, but it took a sledgehammer to his own argument.

If he had stated his focus was on reeling in Leicester City and Burnley over the remaining five games, and that grabbing the additional £4 million prize money on offer precluded experiments then that would have been more acceptable.

The reasoning had to be about what is best for Everton not Allardyce (who is clearly still under the impression he can safeguard his position with a few wins between now and the end of the season).

Allardyce has done what was asked of him since arriving in November, but he has not gone the extra mile. The situation in which he finds himself immersed is symptomatic of deep-rooted issues throughout the club where the disconnect seeps through at most levels.

A recent visitor to the training complex at Finch Farm, one with Everton links, said the atmosphere was noxious.

Patience is in short supply at all football clubs, but the first sign of a downturn at Everton and, generally, there is no way back. Roberto Martinez reached two cup semi-finals, and the last 16 in the Europa League in 2015-16, but was sacked because the crowd and some players believed his tenure had run its course.

This season Goodison Park has witnessed The People versus Ronald Koeman, The People versus Morgan Schneiderlin. Letís hope we are not seeing the start of The People versus Yannick Bolasie because that would be harsh given the winger, whose substitution last weekend against Liverpool was cheered, is still coming back from a career-threatening injury.

Simmering in the background is Wayne Rooney versus Allardyce, the former England captainís relationship with the manager is clearly under strain following his substitution against Liverpool having failed to last beyond the hour-mark against Manchester City the previous week.

Overall, it is Big Sam versus the world and the cynicism towards him does not feel conducive to lasting improvement at a club trying to regain its passion behind a united cause.

Moshiri will be aware of the candidates present elsewhere. Marco Silva is still out of work with Everton having been prepared to pay up to £15 million for him last November when he was at Watford and Paulo Fonseca is coming to the end of his contract with Shakhtar Donetsk. Three of the managers contacted before Koemanís appointment could also be available in Unai Emery, Manuel Pellegrini and David Moyes.

Yet whoever Moshiri entrusts with leading the club forward must be ready to get to work next month alongside the director of football if Everton are persisting with that model.

Either Walsh stays or he is replaced by PSV Eindhovenís sporting director, Marcel Brands. The idea that the two will work together feels like a fudge, complicating a process that has gone horribly awry since Moyes and chairman Bill Kenwright, and initially Martinez-Kenwright, worked together.

Bucket-loads of cash will not necessarily be the panacea this summer even though any assumption that the nucleus at Everton is good enough is a leap of faith. Trimming back a bloated squad will be easier said than achieved.

But all these decisions must come together by mid-May and not late June/July as was the case with the appointments of Koeman/Walsh in 2016. Put simply there is too much to do. Everton are at a pivotal juncture. The vision must become clear.

Across Stanley Park, Liverpool are basking in the limelight this week following progress into the Champions League semi-finals, but Fenway Sports Group are in their eighth year of ownership and would look back now at early decisions (Damien Comolli in and out, Kenny Dalglish in and out) and accept the strategy was initially muddled.

The extent of the problem is such that the most popular figure at Everton right now is Dan Meis.

If he was the young winger Walsh had recruited under the radar during that £200 million spending spree that would be permissible. But Meis is an American architect who is designing Evertonís new stadium. He has just got an Everton tattoo with the number ď1878Ē (which signifies the year the club was founded) inked onto his arm.

The grand plan is for the ground at Bramley Moore dock to be ready for 2022, but dreaming of four yearsí time is no longer an option. It is about the present and, specifically, May 14.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dazfrancis on April 12, 2018, 07:35:14 PM
Can't read that Times article, could you C&P?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 12, 2018, 07:37:42 PM
Can't read that Times article, could you C&P?

Done!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 12, 2018, 07:43:22 PM
The wheels are in motion, he's deffo gone as soon as the season finishes
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 12, 2018, 08:14:36 PM
That's good, but I cannot help but think we just get rid now.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 12, 2018, 08:30:04 PM
It's nice to hear that things might be changing, on one hand.

On the other hand it's troubling that the atmosphere is described as 'noxious' at Finch Farm. What the fuck is everyone doing, and why are they allowing it to drift along like this?

It kinda sounds like the whole thing needs a top down reorganisation and clear out.

Get Brands on board, if that's the plan. Fuck Steve Walsh off altogether, even as a scout. Have a fresh start and don't have people from previous regimes with agendas and vested interests (like Walsh) hang around. That's just bad news in any business. Let Brands bring in his own people, and get him to have a big input on the managerial decision, and the rest should fall into place, with the new manager bringing in his own coaches.

I'm not saying clear absolutely everything out. Obviously we do a lot right at youth levels, but we really need to stop with this mix n match approach. Let's get one singular vision at the club that the DoF, manager and board are all on board with and then let's all start pushing in the same fucking direction. It's fucking tiresome watching the club make silly, short term decisions that don't solve obvious problems or kicking the problem down the road to be dealt with (or not) later.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 12, 2018, 08:46:54 PM
It's nice to hear that things might be changing, on one hand.

On the other hand it's troubling that the atmosphere is described as 'noxious' at Finch Farm. What the fuck is everyone doing, and why are they allowing it to drift along like this?

It kinda sounds like the whole thing needs a top down reorganisation and clear out.

Get Brands on board, if that's the plan. Fuck Steve Walsh off altogether, even as a scout. Have a fresh start and don't have people from previous regimes with agendas and vested interests (like Walsh) hang around. That's just bad news in any business. Let Brands bring in his own people, and get him to have a big input on the managerial decision, and the rest should fall into place, with the new manager bringing in his own coaches.

I'm not saying clear absolutely everything out. Obviously we do a lot right at youth levels, but we really need to stop with this mix n match approach. Let's get one singular vision at the club that the DoF, manager and board are all on board with and then let's all start pushing in the same fucking direction. It's fucking tiresome watching the club make silly, short term decisions that don't solve obvious problems or kicking the problem down the road to be dealt with (or not) later.

I wouldn't have Steve Walsh cleaning the shitters.  Admit you made a mistake with him too, period, full stop.  Clear out all the dead wood, or the termites will just come back to bite.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Silas on April 12, 2018, 09:07:46 PM
Somethings not right and you can't blame Allardyce for it
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: kramer0 on April 12, 2018, 09:11:23 PM
We contacted Moyes in the search that led to Koeman?!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 12, 2018, 09:11:33 PM
Seems everything's a right mess and replacing the CEO, DoF and Manager all in one summer would add further disruption to what is already a pretty chaotic setup. Especially when the squads in need of urgent attention in all major areas itís a World Cup summer and the transfer window has been cut short.

Then thereís the long standing speculation Kenwright is off.

Nothing thatís happened during the last 2 years suggests weíll make a good job of this and we could actually end up in a worse position than we currently are. Think we need to tread carefully and make one change at a time and build slowly.

The mistakes have already been made think we might have to swallow the medicine this summer and retain some short term stability for the greater good.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 12, 2018, 10:24:46 PM
We contacted Moyes in the search that led to Koeman?!

Yeah, I had read that in another article a few weeks back. Moshiri was put off by fan reaction online IIRC. Obviously had his internet cut off before appointing Allardyce.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 12, 2018, 11:06:04 PM
I suppose having an owner now who has no real affinity for the club, lives in London and doesn't appear to be all that knowledgeable about football is a recipe for a vacuum emerging to allow a noxious atmosphere to develop.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 12, 2018, 11:09:29 PM
Shit show.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 12, 2018, 11:10:30 PM
Our problem is that everything is not quite right. Just a little off on every level

Allardyce has to go. Heís universally unpopular from the start and rather than try to fix that heís more entered into a war of words with fans. Do we have any faith in getting the replacement right. Do we have any faith in signing the right types of players. Do we have any faith of getting anything like value when buying them

Itís a massive summer and recently weíve got most things wrong. Itís vital we get almost everything right this time
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 13, 2018, 12:13:57 AM
Yes - no more unprofessional speculation!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 13, 2018, 12:18:09 AM
Our problem is that everything is not quite right. Just a little off on every level

Allardyce has to go. Heís universally unpopular from the start and rather than try to fix that heís more entered into a war of words with fans. Do we have any faith in getting the replacement right. Do we have any faith in signing the right types of players. Do we have any faith of getting anything like value when buying them

Itís a massive summer and recently weíve got most things wrong. Itís vital we get almost everything right this time

Which is why I think, in view of the enormity of the tasks at hand this summer, the last half a dozen games of the season might be an opportune time to find out if any of the players who haven't had much of a run so far can potentially offer anything next season. They'd be playing for their future or putting themselves in the shop window. Either way we'd find something out.
Allardyce's comments along the lines of 'I'll get it in the neck if I gamble on a few and we lose' offers nothing constructive to the club or the players at this time, it only caters for his selfish reputation.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on April 13, 2018, 12:30:37 AM
I suppose having an owner now who has no real affinity for the club, lives in London and doesn't appear to be all that knowledgeable about football is a recipe for a vacuum emerging to allow a noxious atmosphere to develop.

The Glazers live in U.S.A. , Liverpoolís owners live in New York, Sheikh Mansour lives in Abu Dhabi etc....etc..you think any of them have any affinity to their clubs ? nor are they particularly knowledgeable about football yet their teams seem to be doing pretty well. Oh, btw. Bill K lives in London too so not sure your theory holds much water.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 13, 2018, 03:13:33 AM
The Glazers live in U.S.A. , Liverpoolís owners live in New York, Sheikh Mansour lives in Abu Dhabi etc....etc..you think any of them have any affinity to their clubs ? nor are they particularly knowledgeable about football yet their teams seem to be doing pretty well. Oh, btw. Bill K lives in London too so not sure your theory holds much water.

Different clubs different sets of circumstances. I'm only really concerned about Everton.

At our club, if rumours at to be believed, Kenwright and Elstone have been sidelined in anticipation of them exiting in the summer in favour of Ryazantsev and Moshiri. Neither of whom have much knowledge of how to run a football club and neither of whom live in Liverpool. Coupled with poor appointments as Director of Football and manager and you can see why that might create a vacuum for an atmosphere to develop at the club, as has been noted in a number of articles which have surfaced lately.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on April 13, 2018, 03:30:09 AM
Different clubs different sets of circumstances. I'm only really concerned about Everton.

At our club, if rumours at to be believed, Kenwright and Elstone have been sidelined in anticipation of them exiting in the summer in favour of Ryazantsev and Moshiri. Neither of whom have much knowledge of how to run a football club and neither of whom live in Liverpool. Coupled with poor appointments as Director of Football and manager and you can see why that might create a vacuum for an atmosphere to develop at the club, as has been noted in a number of articles which have surfaced lately.

Exact same set of circumstances, whatís Elstone e got to do with it all of a sudden ? The examples that I have given are all of foreign owners not resident in Liverpool which you seem to erroneously feel is a problem, repeat, exact same circumstances, end of.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on April 13, 2018, 03:59:29 AM
Now even big Dunc is singing Allardyces praises (totally licking his arse) on the O.S., absolutely nauseating.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 13, 2018, 04:37:26 AM
Now even big Dunc is singing Allardyces praises (totally licking his arse) on the O.S., absolutely nauseating.
He does what he's told
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 13, 2018, 04:48:00 AM
Roll a hard six and replace all them all in one go.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 13, 2018, 04:48:22 AM
Heís fucking staying isnít he
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 13, 2018, 05:04:12 AM
Didn't realise things were so bad and widespread behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 13, 2018, 05:21:46 AM
Heís fucking staying isnít he

Not if Joyce is reporting stuff
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 13, 2018, 05:38:37 AM
He’s fucking staying isn’t he
...............take it easy mate , not a chance he's staying.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 13, 2018, 01:50:56 PM
...............take it easy mate , not a chance he's staying.

Iím getting a bad feeling with all these stooges singing his praises
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: ajax_andy on April 13, 2018, 02:25:52 PM
Iím getting a bad feeling with all these stooges singing his praises

Linked heavily with Fonseca, desperately tried to get Marco Silva... Moshiri clearly wants a manager who plays with attacking intent which makes me feel confident he won't keep Allardyce.  It was a stop gap, when you look at the names linked its clear IMO we will have a different manager next season
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 13, 2018, 02:33:25 PM
Nobody should worry, hes gone in the summer
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 13, 2018, 03:06:59 PM
Exact same set of circumstances, what’s Elstone e got to do with it all of a sudden ? The examples that I have given are all of foreign owners not resident in Liverpool which you seem to erroneously feel is a problem, repeat, exact same circumstances, end of.

As I said, different clubs and different circumstances.

It's not an issue if you have a united board, a clear strategy, quality appointments in key footballing positions and success on the pitch. The examples you give above tick all them boxes so the owners could be sat on the moon and things would tick along nicely.

There are more and more stories coming out of boardroom divisions, Kenwright and Elstone on the way out, a 'noxious' atmosphere at the club and disharmony among most of the football staff. All feeding into what we see on the pitch.

Something is allowing a vacuum to develop at the club and if the Chief Exec, who is based in Liverpool, is no longer calling the shots and is on his way out then that will filter down, as Paul Joyce's article highlights. Kenwright and Elstone worked well even though they were based three hours away from each other as they had stability. You need some form of genuine authority figure based at the club and until we get a new Chief Exec (if he is going) then we're going to suffer from the decision makers being based in London.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: goodtouchforabigman on April 13, 2018, 03:13:53 PM
Hopefully the fact that he was only given an 18 month contract speaks volumes!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 13, 2018, 03:46:01 PM
What time is lard arse doing his presser? Be interesting to see what he thinks about the continued fan unrest, he'll probably laugh it off and claim everyone still loves him again.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 13, 2018, 04:06:18 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/984714065430892544

So what he's saying here is, we nullified Ings and Solanke
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 13, 2018, 04:40:51 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/984714065430892544

So what he's saying here is, we nullified Ings and Solanke

In his eyes stopping the bigger sides from wiping the floor with us is better than a win.

He maybe good at setting up teams to stop the opponent from scoring but he has also nullified our love of football - the sooner this deluded TWAT is gone the better.

I understand that we have had lots of change over the last couple of years but keeping any of the current managerial set-up and DOF, will not help us move forward. Clear the slate and start again but make sure the right pieces are put in place, otherwise we will just tread water, with the possibility of sinking fast.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 13, 2018, 04:48:46 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/984714065430892544

So what he's saying here is, we nullified Ings and Solanke

I still despair at this appointment. Made by a man with little knowledge of football in a panic about his investment.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 13, 2018, 05:39:05 PM
Please tell me he didn't actually say this

https://twitter.com/Paddy_Boyland/status/984714434278035456
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 13, 2018, 05:45:42 PM
Talking today about how he's going to trim the squad in the summer. Only one person I want see trimmed - and I don't mean his waistline
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 13, 2018, 05:48:23 PM
Please tell me he didn't actually say this

https://twitter.com/Paddy_Boyland/status/984714434278035456
.......................that's exactly what he said . It's bad but it could have been a lot badder so it's not too bad.  :headbang:
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 13, 2018, 05:58:44 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/984714065430892544

So what he's saying here is, we nullified Ings and Solanke

Pap Lardiola isn't lying though. We did such a good job on Mane, Firmino and Salah it was like they weren't playing.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 13, 2018, 07:27:18 PM
Talking today about how he's going to trim the squad in the summer. Only one person I want see trimmed - and I don't mean his waistline

The more he goes on like this the more I am convinced heís staying.

Unless heís a major troll, or totally in the dark.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 13, 2018, 07:29:49 PM
The more he goes on like this the more I am convinced heís staying.

Unless heís a major troll, or totally in the dark.

I think the latter. I bet no-one's had any sort of conversation with him about next season, one way or the other. That's the way we seem to be run these days. Unsworth didn't have a clue what was going on the entire time he was manager, and kept having to answer media questions, not knowing what would happen.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 13, 2018, 07:37:15 PM
The more he goes on like this the more I am convinced he’s staying.

Unless he’s a major troll, or totally in the dark.
..................he's hardly likely to say ' 'no idea about next season I might not be 'ere '' .He's got to act as if he's staying. He'll still be on the payroll as he's under contract but he's as good as gone.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 13, 2018, 07:54:51 PM
..................he's hardly likely to say ' 'no idea about next season I might not be 'ere '' .He's got to act as if he's staying. He'll still be on the payroll as he's under contract but he's as good as gone.

Love your confidence, Al
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 13, 2018, 11:46:05 PM
Fans have gone out to renew season tickets at Record Levels !!!! Can't see how that's true but if it is, those dickheads aren't helping.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 13, 2018, 11:57:59 PM
Fans have gone out to renew season tickets at Record Levels !!!! Can't see how that's true but if it is, those dickheads aren't helping.

Pretty sure itís probably correct, there was a piece in the echo about it.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-course-record-201819-season-14496766
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 14, 2018, 12:24:23 AM
Obviously those ones are happy for SA to be in charge. Because if I was the owner that would be the first thing I looked at to see if fans have an issue.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on April 14, 2018, 01:37:35 AM
Fans have gone out to renew season tickets at Record Levels !!!! Can't see how that's true but if it is, those dickheads aren't helping.

I know; committing a good chunk of money and all that time six months in advance with all the uncertainty around the club. They should get themselves in front of a stream, play a couple of seasons of fifa and get on the internet to fume like real fans!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on April 14, 2018, 04:37:58 AM
Fans have gone out to renew season tickets at Record Levels !!!! Can't see how that's true but if it is, those dickheads aren't helping.

I have renewed my season ticket because I support Everton and have a great seat that I have no intention of losing, something wrong with that ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on April 14, 2018, 04:57:58 AM
Obviously those ones are happy for SA to be in charge. Because if I was the owner that would be the first thing I looked at to see if fans have an issue.
What a dick head comment, you think that 30,000 people are happy that Allardyce is in charge ? Really ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 14, 2018, 07:12:10 AM
I certainly wouldn't expect people to be tearing up tickets because of this season or even if fat man remains in charge. But I think Sam is on a knife edge at moment. People already renewing season tickets when they probably have several more weeks to keep their seat may (in my opinion) give the board the feeling that the fans aren't so dead against him as they thought.
me saying 'dickheads' was too much so I apologise for that.
I just want that twat out and it seems to me the board  stewing on season ticket sales over him would help.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 14, 2018, 07:32:06 AM
I think it shows how big a stadium we really do need, were playing shit football under a shit manager with a shit coaching staff, (Under 23s excluded) and we still have a waiting list for season tickets, can you imagine the waiting list if we had a world class manager, DOF, competent board and playing attractive free flowing football before moving into BMD? Skies the limit if we get things right when the season ends
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 14, 2018, 08:42:07 AM
Cunts deffo taking the piss regards the Rooney article in todays guardian online.

Smash him up!

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on April 14, 2018, 11:55:14 AM
I certainly wouldn't expect people to be tearing up tickets because of this season or even if fat man remains in charge. But I think Sam is on a knife edge at moment. People already renewing season tickets when they probably have several more weeks to keep their seat may (in my opinion) give the board the feeling that the fans aren't so dead against him as they thought.
me saying 'dickheads' was too much so I apologise for that.
I just want that twat out and it seems to me the board  stewing on season ticket sales over him would help.

The deadline for keeping your seat was four days ago.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dangermouse on April 14, 2018, 01:57:52 PM
The more he goes on like this the more I am convinced he's staying.

Unless he's a major troll, or totally in the dark.

Heís playing the game. He wants his full pay when heís sacked.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 14, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
Heís playing the game. He wants his full pay when heís sacked.

Why wouldnít he get the full payout if he acknowledged he might be sacked.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Polledreng on April 14, 2018, 03:08:40 PM
I certainly wouldn't expect people to be tearing up tickets because of this season or even if fat man remains in charge. But I think Sam is on a knife edge at moment. People already renewing season tickets when they probably have several more weeks to keep their seat may (in my opinion) give the board the feeling that the fans aren't so dead against him as they thought.
me saying 'dickheads' was too much so I apologise for that.
I just want that twat out and it seems to me the board  stewing on season ticket sales over him would help.
Bloody nonsense I renewed mine on the last day I was sure to get my seat
The deadline for keeping your seat was four days ago.
Spot on mate
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Polledreng on April 14, 2018, 03:19:17 PM
Fans have gone out to renew season tickets at Record Levels !!!! Can't see how that's true but if it is, those dickheads aren't helping.
As stated above I diasagree. Your post has made me email Roger Kenyon to state that I didn't renew becayse of Big Sam but in spite of Big Sam. Just remembered I got a thanks mail from Everton when renewing... Even the management team thanked me.... I told him I hoped he was talking about our CEO and not Big Sam
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 14, 2018, 03:39:19 PM
FFS the Esk has just tweeted that SA is going.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 14, 2018, 03:40:19 PM
FFS the Esk has just tweeted that SA is going.
Got a 50/50 chance of being right and can reclaim his itk badge if the gamble pays off
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 14, 2018, 03:42:18 PM
FFS the Esk has just tweeted that SA is going.
We know that, what we really need to know is when?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 14, 2018, 03:57:14 PM
We know that, what we really need to know is when?

Usually though whatever he tweets is wrong though
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 14, 2018, 04:01:59 PM
FFS the Esk has just tweeted that SA is going.
..................he's really sticking his neck out there  ::)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 14, 2018, 04:06:11 PM
FFS the Esk has just tweeted that SA is going.

Ironically, I looked at his twitter page for the first time in ages on Thursday, just to see if he was still alive as he has not tweeted anything about Allardyce. I suppose he has now caught up with the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 14, 2018, 04:11:30 PM
Who is Esk anyway?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 14, 2018, 04:21:25 PM
Who is Esk anyway?

His description of himself on his twitter page.

'Life long supporter of the senior club in the city #EvertonBusinessMatters @footballbm All for one, one for all Everton's the team that plays beautiful football'

Claims to have lots of knowledge about Everton and as others have posted gets quite a lot of it wrong.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 14, 2018, 04:32:29 PM
The esk is just going off what Sam said last night on SSN. When questioned he just said he hadn't been told he was going and was working on the assumption he's staying. He can't say much else tbf.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 14, 2018, 10:43:23 PM
Honestly just out of our club is not enough now ...can't we get him banned from footy altogether for crimes against football .

Or Dof at the shite.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 14, 2018, 11:02:04 PM
Honestly just out of our club is not enough now ...can't we get him banned from footy altogether for crimes against football .

Or Dof at the shite.

Agree but can he please take 90% of the players with him. Team of losers
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 14, 2018, 11:11:09 PM
Agree but can he please take 90% of the players with him. Team of losers

Have to agree with this. As much as Sam is a pile of shite the players we have accumulated and the resulting attitude we've acquired over the past few years means a lot of them should be surplus to requirements too.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 14, 2018, 11:23:07 PM
Have to agree with this. As much as Sam is a pile of shite the players we have accumulated and the resulting attitude we've acquired over the past few years means a lot of them should be surplus to requirements too.

Weíve made 1 massive mess. Team with very little fight, zero flair, barely a fan favourite (with a future here) amongst them

We are currently pinning all our hopes on our youngsters. Itís hard not to dispair of it all.

Weíve so many big decisions to make in the summer. We have to get the vast majority of them right and we have a record in recent times of getting pretty much everything spectacularly wrong
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: kramer0 on April 14, 2018, 11:27:24 PM
Rip it up and start again.

This time, Moshiri might considering consulting someone with a clue to find the right director of football or manager/head of recruitment combo.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 14, 2018, 11:27:52 PM
Weíve made 1 massive mess. Team with very little fight, zero flair, barely a fan favourite (with a future here) amongst them

We are currently pinning all our hopes on our youngsters. Itís hard not to dispair of it all.

Weíve so many big decisions to make in the summer. We have to get the vast majority of them right and we have a record in recent times of getting pretty much everything spectacularly wrong

True. I don't really concur with the view held by some that this squad is a lot better than it's showing. Sure a different manager might set us up differently and be able to extract a bit more but Guardiola or Poch wouldn't be able to turn a lot of these into better footballers. They might tease a bit more out of the young ones and bring them on but you're only talking 3 or 4 here. The rest are woefully short of quality or at the wrong stage of their career to get a second wind. It's shocking squad management to be where we are.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 14, 2018, 11:37:34 PM
True. I don't really concur with the view held by some that this squad is a lot better than it's showing. Sure a different manager might set us up differently and be able to extract a bit more but Guardiola or Poch wouldn't be able to turn a lot of these into better footballers. They might tease a bit more out of the young ones and bring them on but you're only talking 3 or 4 here. The rest are woefully short of quality or at the wrong stage of their career to get a second wind. It's shocking squad management to be where we are.

Itís the hope that kills us. Time and time again we are promised a better future only to piss it away. Kings Dock, 4th under Moyes, Martinezís first season, Moshiriís money

The only answer to where we are now is to start again. New manager. New DOF. Somehow getting rid of a lot of aging overpaid deadwood.

Iíve zero faith that anyone at the club can get it right though. Martinez was a lunatic. Followed by Koeman on ridiculous money appointed at least in part on the basis of someone elseís recruitment work at Southampton (and then we let him do much of our recruitment with an open disregard for any value) followed by allardyce who in the face of for me unfair and early criticism has become an absolute child rather than got on with his job

3 in a fucking row have been inept. Will have cost us more than Salah cost by the time weíve sacked allardyce.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue slug on April 15, 2018, 12:16:40 AM
I can cannot understand why we donít just fuck allardyce off right now heís just an odious shitbag whose seriously demoralising the players
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 15, 2018, 12:57:23 AM
from BBC Sport ...............Everton fans turn on Allardyce
While the spectre of relegation has all but vanished for Everton, there has been a creeping sense of discontent forming at Goodison Park.
Fans have become unhappy with the prosaic playing style under Allardyce, and there was little to quicken the pulse from his side here.
The visitors were fortunate not to fall behind in the first half but, at least when their first chance arrived, they took it.
On a rare counter-attack, Coleman's clipped cross found Yannick Bolasie unmarked at the back post and, although he and Idrissa Gueye both had shots saved by Lukasz Fabianski in quick succession, the ball bounced up and hit an unsuspecting Naughton before going in.
If that seemed like a false reprieve, it did not seem to fool Everton's fans, who expressed their displeasure with a string of derogatory chants about their team and manager.
And once Ayew equalised, the travelling supporters turned their fury specifically towards Allardyce, calling for his sacking after yet another uninspiring display.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on April 15, 2018, 01:06:27 AM
Just get the banners out in full force for the Southampton game just to drill home and reiterate the point to Moshiri and the board that Allardyce continuing as manager is simply not acceptable and won't be tolerated by the fan base.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on April 15, 2018, 01:21:19 AM
True. I don't really concur with the view held by some that this squad is a lot better than it's showing. Sure a different manager might set us up differently and be able to extract a bit more but Guardiola or Poch wouldn't be able to turn a lot of these into better footballers. They might tease a bit more out of the young ones and bring them on but you're only talking 3 or 4 here. The rest are woefully short of quality or at the wrong stage of their career to get a second wind. It's shocking squad management to be where we are.
Cracking summary of the dilema, never thought i would ever think i'd consider that Moyes would be an option for us ever again, but it's crossed my mind a few times the last week or so, because he had the knack of tuning a turd and his transfer dealings were awsum at times, maybe i should have a word with meself but there we go.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 15, 2018, 01:23:23 AM
If you think your job is done - do us all a favour and get lost.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11330435/season-at-everton-already-a-success-says-manager-sam-allardyce
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: toffee_scot on April 15, 2018, 01:32:51 AM
Just imagine you are a young kid in Liverpool who is becoming more interested in football and is deciding which local team to watch and start following, in your mind do you choose:

a) The team that is in the semi-final of the Champions League and plays a very effective attacking game of football and boasts some excellent attacking players. Managed by someone who can be an oddball but has charisma and has a history of winning titles in a good league and managing a team in the Champions League final.

b) The team that is unbalanced and lacklustre with few inspiring players and playing consistently like an inferior side resulting in far less possession and very few shots at goal. Managed by someone who is an undignified oaf and quite frankly is a coward when it comes to football tactics and thinks getting a point against a lesser team is a good result.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 15, 2018, 01:35:50 AM
If you think your job is done - do us all a favour and get lost.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11330435/season-at-everton-already-a-success-says-manager-sam-allardyce

Yeah just read that. Sums it up really. Surviving relegation is all he knows.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dekko on April 15, 2018, 02:06:47 AM
If you think your job is done - do us all a favour and get lost.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11330435/season-at-everton-already-a-success-says-manager-sam-allardyce

Heís happy to compare us to Southampton and Wes Brom. No disrespect to them, but would that be his main goal if heís here next season, to get the 42 points again?
He can piss off. We need someone whoís got balls, show no respect when playing the big teams and go to win every single game; and not be happy with a point with relegation battle team like Swansea.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 15, 2018, 02:09:23 AM
Yeah just read that. Sums it up really. Surviving relegation is all he knows.

Let's hope that the board are taking note of all of this and have a plan in place to start moving us forward. It will take time but we need to start somewhere and getting rid of him and Walsh, will be a good start.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 15, 2018, 06:17:00 AM
Nothing new

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-linking-up-super-agent-12363508
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: toffee_scot on April 15, 2018, 06:29:34 AM
Nothing new

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-linking-up-super-agent-12363508

Ah the good old Mirror:

"Although Moshiriís first full season at the Goodison helm has not gone to plan, he wants the pair to realise his dream of taking Everton into the Champions League."

Moshiri is in his second full season.

Next...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueMaquis on April 15, 2018, 07:47:10 AM
It would be brilliant if we could get a manager who was capable of changing things in any way at all. From my point of view, we haven't changed since latter-day Martinez aside from Unsworth's stints where we at least attempted an attacking style.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Redartin on April 15, 2018, 01:35:05 PM
Just imagine you are a young kid in Liverpool who is becoming more interested in football and is deciding which local team to watch and start following, in your mind do you choose:

a) The team that is in the semi-final of the Champions League and plays a very effective attacking game of football and boasts some excellent attacking players. Managed by someone who can be an oddball but has charisma and has a history of winning titles in a good league and managing a team in the Champions League final.

b) The team that is unbalanced and lacklustre with few inspiring players and playing consistently like an inferior side resulting in far less possession and very few shots at goal. Managed by someone who is an undignified oaf and quite frankly is a coward when it comes to football tactics and thinks getting a point against a lesser team is a good result.

Is the kid bitter?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on April 15, 2018, 01:55:28 PM
Ah the good old Mirror:

"Although Moshiriís first full season at the Goodison helm has not gone to plan, he wants the pair to realise his dream of taking Everton into the Champions League."

Moshiri is in his second full season.

Next...
He bought his shares two months before the end of the 2016/17 season, we are now in his first full season 2017/18.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 15, 2018, 02:24:17 PM
He bought his shares two months before the end of the 2016/17 season, we are now in his first full season 2017/18.
..............he bought his shares in February 2016 which is  during the 2015/16 season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on April 15, 2018, 02:34:39 PM
I'd say I've been one of the more patient fans in recent months and think some of the Allardyce bashing has been unwarranted - Big Fat Gravy Sam is embarrassing, as has been the constant hysteria at his every word.

I always said that it'd be fair to give him more of a sustained run rather than writing him off in December. Personally, I'm grateful that he has taken our under-performing squad and somehow (because it hasn't been pretty) kept us up. I'm aware a lot of people didn't really think we were in danger of going down, but I haven't seen anything pre- or post-Allardyce to suggest we deserve to stay up more than any of the bottom 3-5. And I also don't see the quality in our squad that some are seeing. Week after week I look at the opposition and think we'll probably have our work cut out, especially if we just invite them on to us.

I was prepared to forgive the derby approach, although it was our best opportunity to win there in years. But to be outplayed by Swansea is just bleak. We need to rip it up and start again.

Part of me hopes that he'll do a Mick Mccarthy and just go before the end of the season. The other part thinks we should learn from our previous mistakes, stick it out and get the replacement sorted first.

It was a sad time that we had to resort to a firefighter-kind of manager as early as November, and although I won't look back on his tenure with the resentment some/most of you will, the sooner we can put this behind us, the better. It's clear that the results/performances aren't really going to improve. He's done the job he was brought in to do, but when he looks in the mirror, I bet even Sam will have a tinge of regret that his last real shot at the big time has come to this.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on April 15, 2018, 02:36:02 PM
..............he bought his shares in February 2016 which is  during the 2015/16 season.

My mistake, Tempus fugit !  :)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: fubarruk on April 15, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
If you think your job is done - do us all a favour and get lost.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11330435/season-at-everton-already-a-success-says-manager-sam-allardyce
Cunt is genuinely proud of himself, keeping teams up is his equivalent of winning a title. Stick him in at Man City and he'd still consider it job done getting them to 42 points.

He's a small time thinker and it was a small time appointment, the mediocrity he brings with him has infected the club to it's core.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Martip on April 15, 2018, 04:05:44 PM
His face is really starting to bother me.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Escla on April 15, 2018, 04:44:53 PM
Letís try to see an upside to this horrible situation. I doubt he will get the full 6 million pay off when he goes at the end of the season, am sure there will be some negotiation, maybe settle at £4-5 million.
Every penny of that over £150 k will be taxed at 45% so thatís maybe over £2 million quid for the N.H.S or Schools ! Thanks Sam you greedy bastard.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KingdingalingNL on April 15, 2018, 06:59:49 PM
Letís try to see an upside to this horrible situation. I doubt he will get the full 6 million pay off when he goes at the end of the season, am sure there will be some negotiation, maybe settle at £4-5 million.
Every penny of that over £150 k will be taxed at 45% so thatís maybe over £2 million quid for the N.H.S or Schools ! Thanks Sam you greedy bastard.

So sacking him is good for us and other people as well............ sooooooooo..... what is the board waiting for?? Win win all over!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 15, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
Let’s try to see an upside to this horrible situation. I doubt he will get the full 6 million pay off when he goes at the end of the season, am sure there will be some negotiation, maybe settle at £4-5 million.
Every penny of that over £150 k will be taxed at 45% so that’s maybe over £2 million quid for the N.H.S or Schools ! Thanks Sam you greedy bastard.
...............we're never going to know the details of these types of deals but the agreed sum is likely to be paid over a period of time, which suits both parties. Didn't Man City have about 4 ex managers on the payroll a few years back ? 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 15, 2018, 07:28:20 PM
Mission accomplished...

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-defiantly-insists-been-14533228


Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 15, 2018, 07:59:06 PM
Assume weíre going to have to go through a bit of a dance re SA claiming that heís done well and looking forward to next season, as part of any arguments re compensation.

If he was admitting heíd not done well and wasnít sure on staying his argument against getting the bullet wouldnít be particularly strong.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 15, 2018, 08:08:12 PM
I'm almost past sheer anger toward him. Replaced by sadness. What a horrific season it's been and he comes out and says it's been successful.
Sad times
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 15, 2018, 08:42:35 PM
He's turned into a caricature of himself since he's come out of retirement. Some of the stuff coming out of his mouth seems so ludicrous you think he's trolling us, until you realise the bloke really is this deluded and he actually does think like that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: toffee_scot on April 15, 2018, 08:54:04 PM
I'd like to know, when it came to negotiating for him to become manager, what Moshiri's brief was to him. If it was really all about this £200m team avoiding relegation and as a bonus trying to emulate the vision of mid-2000s Bolton Wanderers then I could understand why Allardyce thinks his tenure here has been a success.

If you think small time, and appoint a small time manager, then naturally the club will regress into a small time manner.     
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 15, 2018, 08:58:26 PM
We are on the verge of being passed by the Barcodes in the Table, FWIW.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 15, 2018, 09:06:52 PM
I'm not defending SA and I want him gone as much as anyone else but this is what he will say -
When he came in we were on 8pts in 18th .
Not counting the WHU game we went on a run of 6 matches unbeaten in the PL and moved up to the safety of 9th.
At that point it was job done in Sam's eyes and we've plodded along since then.
I don't think he had the ambition to push on from there and since that decent run our record is poor ,W4 D3 L7.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 15, 2018, 09:09:21 PM
I'm not defending SA and I want him gone as much as anyone else but this is what he will say -
When he came in we were on 8pts in 18th .
Not counting the WHU game we went on a run of 6 matches unbeaten in the PL and moved up to the safety of 9th.
At that point it was job done in Sam's eyes and we've plodded along since then.
I don't think he had the ambition to push on from there and since that decent run our record is poor ,W4 D3 L7.

We were on 15 points in 13th Al.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 15, 2018, 09:24:10 PM
We are on the verge of being passed by the Barcodes in the Table, FWIW.
............not today  ,maybe Monday though !
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 15, 2018, 09:33:12 PM
It's boring criticising him now. He is what he is, and this season will be one that's glossed over as a non-event when we look back on our recent history.

It's like being most of the way through a really shit rollercoaster, wanting to get off but having to wait til the ride is over and til the bars come up.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 15, 2018, 09:34:55 PM
We were on 15 points in 13th Al.
................you're right my misthtake  :blush: That was our lowest point though , 18th place with 8 points .  Grim.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 15, 2018, 09:37:38 PM
................you're right my misthtake  :blush: That was our lowest point though , 18th place with 8 points .  Grim.

Played all the big teams and had EL games from early season, so it flatters Allardyce even more.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 15, 2018, 10:45:13 PM
Played all the big teams and had EL games from early season, so it flatters Allardyce even more.

Yes we had 7 Pts from 4 games vs non top 6.

Absolutely no way we wouldnít be at least level with where we are now if weíd stuck with Koeman.

Christ I canít wait until we have a progressive manager (who knows you need to defend too)...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on April 15, 2018, 10:54:27 PM
It's boring criticising him now. He is what he is, and this season will be one that's glossed over as a non-event when we look back on our recent history.

It's like being most of the way through a really shit rollercoaster, wanting to get off but having to wait til the ride is over and til the bars come up.

Yeah totally agree. Not sure how many times we can go over it.

I also think itís a bit unfair to be absolutely honest. Anyone who thinks sacking him and rolling the dice again will sort the clubs problems is kidding themselves big time.

Would be good for everyoneís state of mind if we knew for sure heís gone end of the year and weíre looking to be a bit more switched on in our business and a bit more progresssive in our football and our recruitment but itís clearly not going to happen like that.

I feel a bit sorry for him. Should never have been let in the door as we should never have got to that point but fuckin guess what we did and he was hired to get us out the shit. Whether he managed to convince himself it was another shot at the big time or not, the fact is he looks tactically spent. Maybe at some point in his career he would have been able to do what he thinks he can with us, but not now. The games moved on and so have our expectations.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on April 15, 2018, 11:42:01 PM
The position we've got ourselves into over the last few years means that our next appointment will be another gamble. The experience of hiring Big Sam will ensure we will steer clear of anyone with any kind of baggage. So it probably points to someone with none or at least very limited experience of the Premier League.
It should mean that the new man will be given more time to get it right; something that the fans and board were guilty of denying Koemen.
Apart from Mike Walker, who I thought was a desperate choice, I've got behind all the Everton managers in my lifetime. But, it looks like that is a thing of the past.
At least I will enjoy the atmosphere at the games next season; for a couple of months at least.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: toffee_scot on April 15, 2018, 11:54:12 PM
The position we've got ourselves into over the last few years means that our next appointment will be another gamble. The experience of hiring Big Sam will ensure we will steer clear of anyone with any kind of baggage. So it probably points to someone with none or at least very limited experience of the Premier League.
It should mean that the new man will be given more time to get it right; something that the fans and board were guilty of denying Koemen.
Apart from Mike Walker, who I thought was a desperate choice, I've got behind all the Everton managers in my lifetime. But, it looks like that is a thing of the past.
At least I will enjoy the atmosphere at the games next season; for a couple of months at least.

The major problem is it doesn't seem the club has a long term football strategy in place and it pretty much changes every single time the manager changes. One moment we want to play continental passing football under Martinez, the next some vague pressing football under Koeman then some shithouse ultradefensive football under Allardyce. We have a mishmash of players in the squad that were bought under 4 very different managers with very different criteria and that's kind of reflected on the pitch with the lack of coherent football.

I thought the director of football's job was to help provide continuity and implement a coherent footballing strategy based on the players being brought in and the philosophy of the manager but it looks like we are happy to let every manager dictate their own philosophy.

I wonder what the fuck School of Science means these days.
 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 15, 2018, 11:54:59 PM
Yeah totally agree. Not sure how many times we can go over it.

I also think itís a bit unfair to be absolutely honest. Anyone who thinks sacking him and rolling the dice again will sort the clubs problems is kidding themselves big time.

Would be good for everyoneís state of mind if we knew for sure heís gone end of the year and weíre looking to be a bit more switched on in our business and a bit more progresssive in our football and our recruitment but itís clearly not going to happen like that.

I feel a bit sorry for him. Should never have been let in the door as we should never have got to that point but fuckin guess what we did and he was hired to get us out the shit. Whether he managed to convince himself it was another shot at the big time or not, the fact is he looks tactically spent. Maybe at some point in his career he would have been able to do what he thinks he can with us, but not now. The games moved on and so have our expectations.

Not sure why you feel sorry for him tbh, mate. He's the biggest beneficiary of every party involved in the situation. I also don't agree that the criticism is remotely unfair - just boring because we've been over it ad infinitum.

Every managerial appointment at every club is a roll of the dice to some extent, so I don't really buy into the 'next manager is a gamble' narrative either. They're all gambles. It's a question of minimising the gamble with sufficient due diligence.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 16, 2018, 12:06:10 AM

I feel a bit sorry for him. Should never have been let in the door as we should never have got to that point but fuckin guess what we did and he was hired to get us out the shit. Whether he managed to convince himself it was another shot at the big time or not, the fact is he looks tactically spent. Maybe at some point in his career he would have been able to do what he thinks he can with us, but not now. The games moved on and so have our expectations.
..................I don't feel sorry for him at all. I was quite prepared to get behind him at first and I liked his first few pressers ,blunt and to the point. But his recent comments and demeanour show he doesn't give a flying fuck. Yesterday he was crowing about success ,we've already done it etc.etc. ,he's chuffed with himself. He knows he's going and it's all just bluster and bravado now. He must be insufferable around Finch Farm.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on April 16, 2018, 12:06:18 AM
The major problem is it doesn't seem the club has a long term football strategy in place and it pretty much changes every single time the manager changes. One moment we want to play continental passing football under Martinez, the next some vague pressing football under Koeman then some shithouse ultradefensive football under Allardyce. We have a mishmash of players in the squad that were bought under 4 very different managers with very different criteria and that's kind of reflected on the pitch with the lack of coherent football.

I thought the director of football's job was to help provide continuity and implement a coherent footballing strategy based on the players being brought in and the philosophy of the manager but it looks like we are happy to let every manager dictate their own philosophy.

I wonder what the fuck School of Science means these days.
 

 I've never been sold on the need for a DoF at the level we are spending. They may work at the very top when you can attract undisputed quality. But if you are asking a manager to make the most of lesser resources than those we would like to be competing with then I think you employ a manager and let him manage from top to bottom.
 With a DoF system there's an added hurdle in the process of identifying and signing players that leads to blame shifting when things go wrong. As they inevitably will from time to time due to the fact that our signings are more of a gamble because we are picking up players from further down the food chain.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 16, 2018, 04:04:35 AM
Feel sorry for him lolol
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blueski on April 16, 2018, 05:40:07 AM
I wonder if maybe he just doesn't even like to do anything but save clubs from relegation and will want the exit

he seems so happy all the time bragging about how he's improved this or that, can't see what he will do with himself when the only mistakes in the rear view mirror are his own

maybe he will want a nice long holiday and get a chance to come on board in the winter to "fix" crystal palace or swansea & he's just winding us all up with talk of what's to come over the summer and next season

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on April 16, 2018, 09:08:38 AM
Not sure why you feel sorry for him tbh, mate. He's the biggest beneficiary of every party involved in the situation. I also don't agree that the criticism is remotely unfair - just boring because we've been over it ad infinitum.

Every managerial appointment at every club is a roll of the dice to some extent, so I don't really buy into the 'next manager is a gamble' narrative either. They're all gambles. It's a question of minimising the gamble with sufficient due diligence.

Well because itís not like heís tricked anyone, is it? Heís a big lump it up and nod it in dinosaur and has been for his whole career, moshiri knew what he was getting when he hired him and for whatever reason thought that we would be able to stomach it.

The criticism isnít unfair particularly, itís just a bit misguided. The issue isnít allardyce, there are more deep rooted and serious issues than allardyce and being frank his tough-to-swallow pragmatic medicine has probably prevented the worst case scenario for this year.

I know we can say unsworth, Koeman or silva or whoever would have done minimum the same but they arenít facts, facts are most of us would have bitten your hand off for safety in the top ten a few months ago when things were looking darkest.

The criticism is fair in that we did not want him or his football and we still donít, and if nothing else it just serves to show moshiri how much we disapprove then fine, but heís still just a fella with pride and his own ideas about the game. Heís not doing particularly worse then koeman or unsworth or Martinez, but big fat gravy swigging brexit Sam is a meme and our fans are revelling in playing up to it.

Heís not the issue, heís a symptom of the issue.

The next manager is of course a roll of the dice, unless something happens with brands / Walsh / our other recruitment and overall strategy that shows it to be anything other than it has been so far which is expensive roll after expensive roll.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 18, 2018, 03:24:38 PM
the football has not been great to watch but has been better than it was at the start of the season

you cant fault him on the winter window some crap out and 2 good players in

this will all come down to who is able to come in right away that is a step up (fuck off all you marco silva cunts )
if they cant come in right away I think they will go with Big Sam next year now that might not be what most want but in might just be what we need

so this is not going to go down well but yes I do want him to be the Everton manager next year

get us top half Sam = done
sort out are defence Sam = done ( to a point but will need work in the summer )
sign us a centre forward Sam = done
sign us a bit more pace in the team Sam = done
build us Rome in a day Sam = you would think he would fucking need to the way some on here get on
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 18, 2018, 03:25:56 PM
 lolol
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 18, 2018, 03:26:04 PM
Well, we now have a striker we wanted, two players with pace in the team which we wanted and yet we still don't create any chances whatsoever, and approach games with a dull, safety-first ethos which we don't need now.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 18, 2018, 04:12:27 PM
Jesus wept
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 18, 2018, 04:17:21 PM
Hahaha
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 18, 2018, 04:22:46 PM
the football has not been great to watch but has been better than it was at the start of the season

you cant fault him on the winter window some crap out and 2 good players in

this will all come down to who is able to come in right away that is a step up (fuck off all you marco silva cunts )
if they cant come in right away I think they will go with Big Sam next year now that might not be what most want but in might just be what we need

so this is not going to go down well but yes I do want him to be the Everton manager next year

get us top half Sam = done
sort out are defence Sam = done ( to a point but will need work in the summer )
sign us a centre forward Sam = done
sign us a bit more pace in the team Sam = done
build us Rome in a day Sam = you would think he would fucking need to the way some on here get on

Take credit for beating West Ham - done
Take the piss out of the fans - done
Slag the players off whenever possible - done
Take all the glory when we win a match - done
Bask in the glory of getting a point against shite or weakened teams - done
Blame the players when we lose - done
Compare the fans to Newcastle and West Ham fans - done
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 18, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
Take credit for beating West Ham - done
Take the piss out of the fans - done
Slag the players off whenever possible - done
Take all the glory when we win a match - done
Bask in the glory of getting a point against shite or weakened teams - done
Blame the players when we lose - done
Compare the fans to Newcastle and West Ham fans - done

you did read the Rome in a day bit the part after the = would be for you
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 18, 2018, 04:40:42 PM
you did read the Rome in a day bit the part after the = would be for you

I did, made me laugh very loudly, thank you.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 18, 2018, 05:01:16 PM
the football has not been great to watch but has been better than it was at the start of the season

you cant fault him on the winter window some crap out and 2 good players in

this will all come down to who is able to come in right away that is a step up (fuck off all you marco silva cunts )
if they cant come in right away I think they will go with Big Sam next year now that might not be what most want but in might just be what we need

so this is not going to go down well but yes I do want him to be the Everton manager next year

get us top half Sam = done
sort out are defence Sam = done ( to a point but will need work in the summer )
sign us a centre forward Sam = done
sign us a bit more pace in the team Sam = done
build us Rome in a day Sam = you would think he would fucking need to the way some on here get on

WUM of the year .. ..pahahahahahahaha 😅😅
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 18, 2018, 06:28:21 PM
the football has not been great to watch but has been better than it was at the start of the season

you cant fault him on the winter window some crap out and 2 good players in

this will all come down to who is able to come in right away that is a step up (fuck off all you marco silva cunts )
if they cant come in right away I think they will go with Big Sam next year now that might not be what most want but in might just be what we need

so this is not going to go down well but yes I do want him to be the Everton manager next year

get us top half Sam = done
sort out are defence Sam = done ( to a point but will need work in the summer )
sign us a centre forward Sam = done
sign us a bit more pace in the team Sam = done
build us Rome in a day Sam = you would think he would fucking need to the way some on here get on

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Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 18, 2018, 06:38:51 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Av72crBYNiEYo/giphy.gif)

Hahaha! Amazing!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 18, 2018, 06:41:24 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Av72crBYNiEYo/giphy.gif)

Leslie Jones is brilliant on Saturday Night Live.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 18, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
https://twitter.com/EdMc_Cosh/status/986534701937676293

And we won the second half against City, let's not forget that
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 18, 2018, 07:21:14 PM
https://twitter.com/EdMc_Cosh/status/986534701937676293

And we won the second half against City, let's not forget that

Aye. Am looking forward to the DVD; '45 Minute Men'.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 18, 2018, 07:23:14 PM
Aye. Am looking forward to the DVD; '45 Minute Men'.

I've heard the DVD will be called "Look where West Brom are now"
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: boothill on April 18, 2018, 07:27:51 PM
https://twitter.com/EdMc_Cosh/status/986534701937676293

And we won the second half against City, let's not forget that
And would have knocked the rs out of europe on away goals too
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 18, 2018, 09:57:22 PM
Hahaha! Amazing!

yeah it is that someone will tell it like it is

am I wrong with any of that ?
will it upset you that I am not ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 18, 2018, 10:03:23 PM
https://twitter.com/EdMc_Cosh/status/986534701937676293

And we won the second half against City, let's not forget that

you can put it what ever way you want but we were going down before he came in
so getting us to were we are now with the same crap that was taking us down is a job well done you might not like that but it is what it is

so suck it up he will be here next year for sure
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 18, 2018, 10:11:47 PM
Pretty sure with Baines and Colemans return plus the additions of walcott and tusan that koeman and unsworth would have got us the same.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 18, 2018, 10:12:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/986586785215074304?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: phillyt on April 18, 2018, 10:13:55 PM
you can put it what ever way you want but we were going down before he came in
so getting us to were we are now with the same crap that was taking us down is a job well done you might not like that but it is what it is

so suck it up he will be here next year for sure

Which Sam are you? The gravy chugging one or the piss drinking one?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 18, 2018, 10:16:30 PM
Which Sam are you? The gravy chugging one or the piss drinking one?

all you hate of the manager is taking you away form the real problem the players and the lack of real players with pace
but what ever floats your boat
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: phillyt on April 18, 2018, 11:10:00 PM
all you hate of the manager is taking you away form the real problem the players and the lack of real players with pace
but what ever floats your boat

It is however the managers (and coaches Tbf but mainly the managers) job to train, motivate and instruct the players. It wasnít the players who decided to go defensive against the likes of Burnley, West Brom, Brighton. It wasnít the players who decided to go hung ho against arsenal, spurs and city only to get our arses handed too us. It wasnít the players who decided it was ok to bring Sammy Lee on board. It wasnít the players who sent lookman out on loan. Or brought in the appalling mangala. It wasnít the players who played an atrocious right back at left back for weeks on end instead of using the actual left back in the squad, or buying a proper replacement. It wasnít the players who couldnít be arsed to go to a European game.

If you accept allardyce I imagine your the sort who happy clapped kenwright that time. Who moans at fans who expect better and who thinks moshiris a fraud after 1 bad season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 18, 2018, 11:13:50 PM
If you're an Allardyce supporter after all of this, you're probably the type of person that could be indoctrinated into a cult with minimal fuss.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 18, 2018, 11:15:06 PM
If you're an Allardyce supporter after all of this, you're probably the type of person that could be indoctrinated into a cult with minimal fuss.

Hahahha
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 18, 2018, 11:31:50 PM
Aye. Am looking forward to the DVD; '45 Minute Man'.
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Ross Barkley life story 😅😅
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 18, 2018, 11:40:38 PM




so suck it up he will be here next year for sure
He won't
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 18, 2018, 11:57:25 PM
you can put it what ever way you want but we were going down before he came in
so getting us to were we are now with the same crap that was taking us down is a job well done you might not like that but it is what it is

so suck it up he will be here next year for sure

With the defence coming back to fitness we were never going down ....if you think we were  from 13 th place your really as deluded as your messiah the gravy man ....id hasten to add my nan could've got this team to eighth with the shit in this league below us and a positive  attitude to attacking play or just real football ...every other team can attack and defend ....this managers tactics (term used very losely) seem to only be able to do one thing at a time . (Sammy piss drinking lee screaming at Bolasie and Walcott to stay back in the derby is casing point)

But don't worry you can follow him to Southampton for another year of shithouse footy next year.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 18, 2018, 11:59:45 PM
you can put it what ever way you want but we were going down before he came in
so getting us to were we are now with the same crap that was taking us down is a job well done you might not like that but it is what it is

so suck it up he will be here next year for sure

Are you for real? We werent going down before he came in at all, we were 13th after just twatting West Ham, and had a run of very winnable fixtures on the horizon.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 19, 2018, 02:58:06 PM
Are you for real? We werent going down before he came in at all, we were 13th after just twatting West Ham, and had a run of very winnable fixtures on the horizon.

bottom 3 go down and that was were we were when we had the talk with Sam
there is so much wrong with this team that blaming the New manager on is really not going to cut it with anyone that will look deeper into it
some or sorry most on here seem to think getting any manager in that is not Sam will sort us out , it will not it will paper over the cracks again for a few weeks
sad as it might be I really do think we have to suck it up and keep Sam here for next season let him clean out the old players and the dead wood and as for his signings well over the years he has done quit well with them

and as for the calls about not letting the young players get games well really if we are going for a new manager and we want him to play all are young players someone tell me why the fuck would we be going for a top manager and then telling him to play kids
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 19, 2018, 05:22:54 PM
I think we were in serious trouble before allardyce turned up. The Southampton performance was inept. They could have got 7 or 8.

Not saying the upturn was down to allardyce think it was more to do with losing unsworth.

Honestly I think if you look at performances over the season we are very lucky we havenít gone down anyway. Think our results have been better than the performances by an extremely large margin all season long
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blargins on April 19, 2018, 05:29:48 PM
I can't remember a season where we've been thrashed as frequently as this. Think we're close to double figures in terms of losing by 3 or more goals a game. No wonder our goal difference is disgusting.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 19, 2018, 05:35:18 PM
I can't remember a season where we've been thrashed as frequently as this. Think we're close to double figures in terms of losing by 3 or more goals a game. No wonder our goal difference is disgusting.

Bet we can count on 1 hand the games where we were comfortably the better team too. Itís been shite and weíve been extremely lucky results wise
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 19, 2018, 05:36:44 PM
I think we were in serious trouble before allardyce turned up. The Southampton performance was inept. They could have got 7 or 8.

Not saying the upturn was down to allardyce think it was more to do with losing unsworth.

Honestly I think if you look at performances over the season we are very lucky we havenít gone down anyway. Think our results have been better than the performances by an extremely large margin all season long

Nah, not having that personally. We beat West Ham 4-0 in Unsworth's last game.

Unsworth made some tactical errors, but he was also on an absolute hiding to nothing and wasn't given any sort of chance to succeed. The players all knew he was only temporarily in charge, and that dragged on for weeks and weeks without any comments or clarity from the board. Any authority he might've had was completely undermined from the start, and you saw that in the Mirallas/Schneiderlin stuff in training.

So clearly the players were thinking (either consciously or subconsciously), 'who the fuck are you?', 'you won't be here in a couple of weeks, so why would I buy anything you're selling'. It's human and natural to think that way, and you would think like that in your own job if someone was temporarily promoted to be your manager for 6 weeks and was asking you to do stuff.

As of a couple of weeks ago, we'd conceded the second highest number of attempts on our goal in the league, and had created the second fewest number of chances in the league, under Allardyce. He's done nothing for us, except win a few home games against awful teams that any manager in the top 2 divisions could've achieved in their sleep, including Unsworth had he been supported and given any sort of authority by the board.

We weren't in extreme trouble, under threat of relegation. You've been conned because you have a naturally negative, fearful disposition.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 19, 2018, 05:48:24 PM
Nah, not having that personally. We beat West Ham 4-0 in Unsworth's last game.

Unsworth made some tactical errors, but he was also on an absolute hiding to nothing and wasn't given any sort of chance to succeed. The players all knew he was only temporarily in charge, and that dragged on for weeks and weeks without any comments or clarity from the board. Any authority he might've had was completely undermined from the start, and you saw that in the Mirallas/Schneiderlin stuff in training.

So clearly the players were thinking (either consciously or subconsciously), 'who the fuck are you?', 'you won't be here in a couple of weeks, so why would I buy anything you're selling'. It's human and natural to think that way, and you would think like that in your own job if someone was temporarily promoted to be your manager for 6 weeks and was asking you to do stuff.

As of a couple of weeks ago, we'd conceded the second highest number of attempts on our goal in the league, and had created the second fewest number of chances in the league, under Allardyce. He's done nothing for us, except win a few home games against awful teams that any manager in the top 2 divisions could've achieved in their sleep, including Unsworth had he been supported and given any sort of authority by the board.

We weren't in extreme trouble, under threat of relegation. You've been conned because you have a naturally negative, fearful disposition.

Nailed it here.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 19, 2018, 06:11:04 PM
Nah, not having that personally. We beat West Ham 4-0 in Unsworth's last game.

Unsworth made some tactical errors, but he was also on an absolute hiding to nothing and wasn't given any sort of chance to succeed. The players all knew he was only temporarily in charge, and that dragged on for weeks and weeks without any comments or clarity from the board. Any authority he might've had was completely undermined from the start, and you saw that in the Mirallas/Schneiderlin stuff in training.

So clearly the players were thinking (either consciously or subconsciously), 'who the fuck are you?', 'you won't be here in a couple of weeks, so why would I buy anything you're selling'. It's human and natural to think that way, and you would think like that in your own job if someone was temporarily promoted to be your manager for 6 weeks and was asking you to do stuff.

As of a couple of weeks ago, we'd conceded the second highest number of attempts on our goal in the league, and had created the second fewest number of chances in the league, under Allardyce. He's done nothing for us, except win a few home games against awful teams that any manager in the top 2 divisions could've achieved in their sleep, including Unsworth had he been supported and given any sort of authority by the board.

We weren't in extreme trouble, under threat of relegation. You've been conned because you have a naturally negative, fearful disposition.

Before the West Ham game Iím not sure we deserved to win a single game

I think we were in serious trouble and to be honest I think if we put in the same performances as we have this season in a different season weíd probably go down. Week in and week out weíve been outplayed. Think only luck has kept us out of a relegation fight

Think people see us in 9th now with it having been terrible and think it wonít take much improvement to get 7th next season. I think that discounts the amount of undeserved results weíve got (under all 3 managers)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 19, 2018, 06:47:32 PM
Unsworth was winning his home games and losing the away games. Pretty much what we've gotten with Sam, with a few extra away points aside.

He's also completely stagnated the development of the young players, whereas Unsworth looked to integrate them into the team, which would've been a lot more beneficial long term for us.

But, the Southampton game was very worrying and action needed to be taken after that. We were never going down though, just have a look at the league to tell you that.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 19, 2018, 07:16:13 PM
"Look where West Brom are now!"
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 19, 2018, 07:26:09 PM
My only concern with all this drama at the moment is that Allardyce is such an obvious pantomime villain and spouts so much shit, that people see him as the sole reason weíve struggled this season. Get rid of Sam and we can kick on again.
While I canít wait to see the back of him, I think thereís a massive repair job required. There is a lot wrong at our club, at every level.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 19, 2018, 07:54:32 PM
My only concern with all this drama at the moment is that Allardyce is such an obvious pantomime villain and spouts so much shit, that people see him as the sole reason weíve struggled this season. Get rid of Sam and we can kick on again.
While I canít wait to see the back of him, I think thereís a massive repair job required. There is a lot wrong at our club, at every level.

Thatís where Iím at. Heís 1 of many issues. I think 9th is amazingly flattering to our performances this season so rather than a small improvement to get 7th I think we are currently quite a way off that
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 19, 2018, 08:37:49 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/986959713777709056
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 19, 2018, 08:38:10 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/986959713777709056
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 19, 2018, 08:40:48 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/986959880312578048
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 19, 2018, 08:41:20 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/986960774089363456
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 19, 2018, 08:41:35 PM
Hahaha what a cunt he is
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 19, 2018, 08:42:03 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/986961402089869312
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 19, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/986961091082244096

Hopefully, you won't need to worry about this for Everton, maybe West Brom but not this club.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 19, 2018, 08:44:31 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/986962291806613506
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 19, 2018, 08:50:36 PM
He's loving this isn't he, look at the massive grin on his face
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 19, 2018, 08:56:14 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/986962291806613506
Before he took over we had average 1.07 points per game, since Sam has taken over its 1.35 points per game, despite having considerably easier game and the actual proportion of games won is only marginally better, hes hardly improved us so by his own reckoning it shouldnt be good enough for him to stay!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 19, 2018, 09:06:54 PM
https://twitter.com/thechicoazul/status/986963730285125632
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 19, 2018, 09:09:03 PM
https://twitter.com/thechicoazul/status/986963730285125632

That's a new take on the dreaded vote of confidence.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 19, 2018, 09:09:25 PM
He is staying. I could fucking kill the board and him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: kramer0 on April 19, 2018, 09:15:12 PM
"What a manager" levels of cringe.

If true.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 19, 2018, 09:36:39 PM
...thatís enough Everton for one day...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: boothill on April 19, 2018, 09:41:10 PM
bottom 3 go down and that was were we were when we had the talk with Sam
there is so much wrong with this team that blaming the New manager on is really not going to cut it with anyone that will look deeper into it
some or sorry most on here seem to think getting any manager in that is not Sam will sort us out , it will not it will paper over the cracks again for a few weeks
sad as it might be I really do think we have to suck it up and keep Sam here for next season let him clean out the old players and the dead wood and as for his signings well over the years he has done quit well with them

and as for the calls about not letting the young players get games well really if we are going for a new manager and we want him to play all are young players someone tell me why the fuck would we be going for a top manager and then telling him to play kids
Do you share the same body as the real dunc ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 19, 2018, 09:55:45 PM
Not having that Moshiri part as being anywhere near true?

(or is it just me that can't tell whether it is trying to be genuine or an obvious piss-take?)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 19, 2018, 09:58:53 PM
Not having that Moshiri part as being anywhere near true?

(or is it just me that can't tell whether it is trying to be genuine or an obvious piss-take?)

It's a piss-take. Amazing the amount of people he gets with them every week.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Tinga on April 19, 2018, 10:01:38 PM
Moshiri is a nugget so this wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 19, 2018, 10:05:16 PM
It's a piss-take. Amazing the amount of people he gets with them every week.

I didn't fall for it at all, honest

 :whistle:
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 19, 2018, 10:08:10 PM
Moshiri is a nugget so this wouldn't surprise me.

He wouldnít be so discreet.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 19, 2018, 10:16:13 PM
Be ironic that through embaressment of the survey they give poor sam another 12 months
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 19, 2018, 10:27:59 PM
Blimey, thatís all a bit grim.

Unless it was like a hug of death.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 19, 2018, 10:33:51 PM
I didn't fall for it at all, honest

 :whistle:

Er, yeah me neither.

It really wouldnít surprise me, though, Moshiri is a real cringemeister
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: pjk on April 19, 2018, 11:02:55 PM
The money spent, does come in to it on this occasion. I doubt there will be as many signings as people expect. Allardyces two signings have been pretty successful compared to the rest and player outgoings need to be considered. I'm no Allardyce fan, but there's a good chance it all hinges on transfer funds and the like. I'm not saying he's staying, but there's a chance that the player recruitment aspect might just keep him in his job.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 19, 2018, 11:46:15 PM
Wow!

https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/986982961995272197?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 19, 2018, 11:50:11 PM
I don't usually wish death on people but if a sniper wanted an easy target on Monday then there will be a little jig happening in my house.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 19, 2018, 11:55:05 PM
I don't usually wish death on people but if a sniper wanted an easy target on Monday then there will be a little jig happening in my house.


Are we The Monday game? Iím that disillusioned with all things Everton Iíve no clue who we are playing or when
Everything is just a bit shit currently. Literally everything
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 19, 2018, 11:58:24 PM
Are we The Monday game? Iím that disillusioned with all things Everton Iíve no clue who we are playing or when
Everything is just a bit shit currently. Literally everything

I dunno why I torture myself with constantly looking at newsnow and the forum in the hope there's some breaking news or concrete info about getting someone else in
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 20, 2018, 12:01:31 AM
I dunno why I torture myself with constantly looking at newsnow and the forum in the hope there's some breaking news or concrete info about getting someone else in

Iím still always on here but Iíve not even watched a full game in about a month. Think we need a miracle this summer to start next season with an exciting relatively successful team. Think it would be a minor miracle to be able to field an 11 with a bit of fight
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: colin on April 20, 2018, 12:07:46 AM
How does everyone think we would have fared had we kept Unsworth at the helm?  I would love to still have him right now but want to try to look at it objectively.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 20, 2018, 12:09:17 AM
The thing that SA has not put in our squad.  Is the bite - (Neville tackle on Ronaldo style)
The passion - Tim Cahill punching flag and kissing the badge to fire crowd up.
No energy on the pitch (pressing or tracking back)
No desire to attack. (Walcott had it when he joined only couple of months back now doesn't even take players on).
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: kramer0 on April 20, 2018, 12:31:44 AM
How does everyone think we would have fared had we kept Unsworth at the helm?  I would love to still have him right now but want to try to look at it objectively.

If Unsworth had chilled out and stuck with the 4-3-3, he probably would have done fine.

Unsworth didn't show any signs of chilling out, though. He was a total spaz tactically and all of the chopping and changing of the team is what made things look dire enough for Allardyce to even be an option.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 20, 2018, 12:58:58 AM
How does everyone think we would have fared had we kept Unsworth at the helm?  I would love to still have him right now but want to try to look at it objectively.

Top 10, quiet comfortably
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 20, 2018, 01:04:26 AM
I thought he was drowning fast to be honest and its hard to know what the catalyst was for the thumping win on his last game.
But SA has had Coleman and Baines back and had increased firepower in Tusan and Walcott brought in.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 20, 2018, 01:31:52 AM
Almost launched my laptop through the window watching that. Ill never ever forgive the board for hiring him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 20, 2018, 04:41:07 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5635699/Sam-Allardyce-calls-clarity-Everton-future-following-bizarre-PR-questionnaire-blunder.html
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 20, 2018, 05:07:16 AM
Sam, your the the one who hasnít got a great understanding about football
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 20, 2018, 05:26:41 AM
Sam, your the the one who hasnít got a great understanding about football

Do you believe that? Had a decent success at a few top flight jobs. Probably made 20 or 30m out of management

I get that people donít like him. I get that our season as a whole has been dreadful. I get that people arenít overly impressed at the job heís done.

Letís be honest here though. Heís improved our position, heís improved our average points per game. Heís had a fantastic career at the top end of football management.

Think people are in for a rude awakening next season when it turns out we are shit with or without allardyce.



Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 20, 2018, 05:31:20 AM
Do you believe that? Had a decent success at a few top flight jobs. Probably made 20 or 30m out of management

I get that people don't like him. I get that our season as a whole has been dreadful. I get that people aren't overly impressed at the job he's done.

Let's be honest here though. He's improved our position, he's improved our average points per game. He's had a fantastic career at the top end of football management.

Think people are in for a rude awakening next season when it turns out we are shit with or without allardyce.
Do you believe that Sam gets football?
I believe back at Bolton, he was a little ahead of the curve, that was a long long time ago.

He's made money keeping shite teams up. I wouldn't say that that means he gets football.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gash on April 20, 2018, 05:33:48 AM
He just keeps calling people out, whether it's fans, players or now people behind the scenes. The sooner we get rid of him the better, he's done nothing to improve this club, we're turning into a laughing stock like pretty much every club (and country) that's hired him, the sooner he fucks off the better.

I'd be genuinely be concerned for the whole fabric of our club if this toxic cunt gets another season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: boothill on April 20, 2018, 05:56:12 AM
Do you believe that Sam gets football?
I believe back at Bolton, he was a little ahead of the curve, that was a long long time ago.

He's made money keeping shite teams up. I wouldn't say that that means he gets football.
That bolton team used to kick the shite out of everyone, and ockocha might turn up every now and then and do a worldy, soon as the tackling rules started to change, bolton sank without a trace
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 20, 2018, 05:57:01 AM
That bolton team used to kick the shite out of everyone, and ockocha might turn up every now and then and do a worldy, soon as the tackling rules started to change, bolton sank without a trace
Like I said, ahead for a bit
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gash on April 20, 2018, 06:00:47 AM
Do you believe that? Had a decent success at a few top flight jobs. Probably made 20 or 30m out of management

Did he, what success did he have other than a flirt in Europe with Bolton? And making a few million isn't exactly a sign of success as manager when you're seen as someone who clubs shit their pants and sign as a firefighter rather than a decent, forward thinking manager.

Letís be honest here though. Heís improved our position, heís improved our average points per game. Heís had a fantastic career at the top end of football management.

Lets be honest, he hasn't had a fantastic career and certainly not at the top end of football management, he's a journeyman like all the other journeymen like Pardew, Pulis, Hodgson, Hughes etc who keep getting sacked but rehired by another panicking chairman with no other option.

It's strange that you continually call everything shite yet back (despite throwing in the odd negative comments for good measure) Allardyce. You've said "Everything is just a bit shit currently. Literally everything", at least accept that and stop trying to defend the man, he's indefensible.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 20, 2018, 06:48:49 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5635699/Sam-Allardyce-calls-clarity-Everton-future-following-bizarre-PR-questionnaire-blunder.html

Fuck him. It's extremely unfortunate for us that he was given the job.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 20, 2018, 06:49:47 AM
Do you believe that? Had a decent success at a few top flight jobs. Probably made 20 or 30m out of management

I get that people don't like him. I get that our season as a whole has been dreadful. I get that people aren't overly impressed at the job he's done.

Let's be honest here though. He's improved our position, he's improved our average points per game. He's had a fantastic career at the top end of football management.

Think people are in for a rude awakening next season when it turns out we are shit with or without allardyce.
Yes I do believe that  as does 99.99999% of all Evertonians so who do you believe is right? The points he has amassed were largely gained at home against lesser clubs who weíd be expected to beat week in week out, his press conferences are making a mockery of our players, fans and now our back room staff, never once has he taken responsibility for a fucking thing, the guy is an embarrassment to all of us
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 07:09:21 AM
Gash its not about trying to defend the man its more the worry that a new man comes in and it will take him 2 windows to look at the team and see what he needs to do , one thing I am sure about is Sam will sign us good players were we need them

I am 100% that we need him here next year am I happy about that hell no but the worry of what will happen with some new man coming in with a team of crap like this is frightening

lets look at what we would be hoping for next season top 7 we are not getting top 4
so with no euro crap in the mix this coming season and a summer window to sort some crap out
what would a new manager get us that Sam cant ? his points tells us that he will be in and about top 7 for sure can you say that about a new manager coming in no not really not with the time it will take him to look at the players and give some that need binned a go again and waste are time

like I said I really do think we need him here next season

if there was not so much wrong with this squad then ok but we need so many key spots filled in the summer we don't have the time for a new man to come in
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 07:12:19 AM
Yes I do believe that  as does 99.99999% of all Evertonians so who do you believe is right? The points he has amassed were largely gained at home against lesser clubs who we’d be expected to beat week in week out, his press conferences are making a mockery of our players, fans and now our back room staff, never once has he taken responsibility for a fucking thing, the guy is an embarrassment to all of us

but how can we take you word for it you were say all this before he came ffs
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 20, 2018, 07:21:39 AM
but how can we take you word for it you were say all this before he came ffs
What the fuck are you talking about
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 20, 2018, 07:23:18 AM
like I said I really do think we need him here next season

lolol

what for?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 07:25:47 AM
lolol

what for?

kid go tell mummy to tuck you in
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 20, 2018, 07:27:53 AM
kid go tell mummy to tuck you in

Your mum already has.

Now answer my question. Why do we need Sam here next season?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 07:34:19 AM
Your mum already has.

Now answer my question. Why do we need Sam here next season?

you did not answer my question
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 20, 2018, 07:37:44 AM
you did not answer my question

I thought you were good at this trolling business, given the practice you get, guess I was mistaken.

So, why would we need Sam next year?

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 07:38:56 AM
well has you cant fucking read why would I answer it
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 20, 2018, 07:44:56 AM
Well, as you can't fucking read, why would I answer it?

Maybe as this is a public forum (I mentioned this before) where supporters of Everton congregate in order to debate and discuss the ongoings at Everton Football Club, amongst other issues.

So I'll ask one more time; why would we need Sam next season? It's a pretty straightforward question.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 20, 2018, 01:29:28 PM
He's had a fantastic career.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 20, 2018, 01:58:16 PM
He's had a fantastic career.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

100% win record as England manager remember  :hail: :clap:
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 20, 2018, 02:11:07 PM
Do you believe that Sam gets football?
I believe back at Bolton, he was a little ahead of the curve, that was a long long time ago.

He's made money keeping shite teams up. I wouldn't say that that means he gets football.

Heís an okay manager. Heís done an okay job most places heís been. Results wise here heís done okay. People make out he couldnít have done much worse but the reality is we are higher in the league and averaging more points then when he came. Thatís not to say heís done well but itís certainly not been as bad as people are making out. We need better. We need someone people actually like and isnít at war with the fans. People talk as if heís been clueless though. Itís been a bad season beginning to end. 3 managers a DOF almost all the players the board. Allardyce is a minor part of the problem on account of almost everything being a problem
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 20, 2018, 02:12:11 PM
He's had a fantastic career.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Heís made 10s or millions of pounds managing in 1 of the top 2 or 3 leagues in world football. You must be having 1 hell of a career to be able to laugh at that
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 20, 2018, 02:14:44 PM
By his own admission Sam said he was brought in to stop the club being relegated. (Job done - He's satisfied)
 So therefore, is that the plan for next season if he stays? That's how I will take it to mean if he gets another 12 months. Hire a man who's only use is to stop a club being relegated.
If the board allow him 12 months then it shows moshiri for what he is. A clueless little man who just happens to have money.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 20, 2018, 02:46:03 PM
Heís made 10s or millions of pounds managing in 1 of the top 2 or 3 leagues in world football. You must be having 1 hell of a career to be able to laugh at that

Excuse me, I was thinking we were going on about actual football acheivements, not how big someone's bank account is.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 20, 2018, 02:49:35 PM
I must say the last two pages of this have been a real eye opener for me. I'm staggered that a few on here still support him, after everything that's gone on since he took over, everything he's said about us fans, the shite he constantly comes out with, his "its all me" attitude, then yesterday blaming our PR guy for the survey, basically calling the fella incompetent, and laughing about it. His utter arrogance is disgraceful

The man is full of shit, the longer he's here the worse its gonna get. I will say this, If and its a big If he is still in charge next season then it just proves how much of a shithouse Moshiri and the board are, what was it he said when he invested in the club "We don't want to stand still, we want to move forward and compete with the bigger boys", that will not happen with Allardyce in charge.

If your happy with mediocrity and shithouse tactics and happy to finish 10th or below, then he's the man for you. There is no chance we will get anywhere near the top 6 let alone the top 4 with him in charge.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 20, 2018, 02:51:48 PM
He's made 10s or millions of pounds managing in 1 of the top 2 or 3 leagues in world football. You must be having 1 hell of a career to be able to laugh at that
Bet he cant wait to retire and lool at all those medals no wait i mean checks.

He is a born loser who makes a career from lowering the bar of clubs then stepping over it and thinking he deserves praise.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 20, 2018, 02:53:18 PM
Heís made 10s or millions of pounds managing in 1 of the top 2 or 3 leagues in world football. You must be having 1 hell of a career to be able to laugh at that

Managing shite desperate teams, that's what he does, he is no better than Pardew, Pulis and Mark Hughes. They're cut from the same cloth
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 20, 2018, 02:54:37 PM
I must say the last two pages of this have been a real eye opener for me. I'm staggered that a few on here still support him, after everything that's gone on since he took over, everything he's said about us fans, the shite he constantly comes out with, his "its all me" attitude, then yesterday blaming our PR guy for the survey, basically calling the fella incompetent, and laughing about it. His utter arrogance is disgraceful

The man is full of shit, the longer he's here the worse its gonna get. I will say this, If and its a big If he is still in charge next season then it just proves how much of a shithouse Moshiri and the board are, what was it he said when he invested in the club "We don't want to stand still, we want to move forward and compete with the bigger boys", that will not happen with Allardyce in charge.

If your happy with mediocrity and shithouse tactics and happy to finish 10th or below, then he's the man for you. There is no chance we will get anywhere near the top 6 let alone the top 4 with him in charge.
Well said Macca, the guy is nothing more than a loud mouthed con artist
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: howard1334 on April 20, 2018, 03:12:19 PM
Heís an okay manager. Heís done an okay job most places heís been. Results wise here heís done okay. People make out he couldnít have done much worse but the reality is we are higher in the league and averaging more points then when he came. Thatís not to say heís done well but itís certainly not been as bad as people are making out. We need better. We need someone people actually like and isnít at war with the fans. People talk as if heís been clueless though. Itís been a bad season beginning to end. 3 managers a DOF almost all the players the board. Allardyce is a minor part of the problem on account of almost everything being a problem

Ughh.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: ajax_andy on April 20, 2018, 03:14:02 PM
Gash its not about trying to defend the man its more the worry that a new man comes in and it will take him 2 windows to look at the team and see what he needs to do , one thing I am sure about is Sam will sign us good players were we need them

I am 100% that we need him here next year am I happy about that hell no but the worry of what will happen with some new man coming in with a team of crap like this is frightening

lets look at what we would be hoping for next season top 7 we are not getting top 4
so with no euro crap in the mix this coming season and a summer window to sort some crap out
what would a new manager get us that Sam cant ? his points tells us that he will be in and about top 7 for sure can you say that about a new manager coming in no not really not with the time it will take him to look at the players and give some that need binned a go again and waste are time

like I said I really do think we need him here next season

if there was not so much wrong with this squad then ok but we need so many key spots filled in the summer we don't have the time for a new man to come in

I have read this several times now and still can't work out your logic.  So a new manager won't guarantee us 7th playing drab awful football?  Is that it?  Great!  I'm all for finishing 10th or what ever and playing exciting football, building for the future and letting the youngsters and new signings bed in so we can push on in the coming seasons.

Coming 7th playing hoofball with a man in charge whose toxic, trolling the fans, slagging off the club staff, binning the youngsters at the first opportunity etc etc is NOT something we NEED or should aspire to in any way shape or form.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 20, 2018, 03:56:11 PM
Managing shite desperate teams, that's what he does, he is no better than Pardew, Pulis and Mark Hughes. They're cut from the same cloth

Iím not suggesting heís great. Just that a load of people on a forum calling him a born loser is a little much. Heís infinitely more successful than anyone on here

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 20, 2018, 03:58:14 PM
Also I love how outraged everyone is about what heís said. Heís at worst down in the gutter with the 99% on here that called him names from minute 1.

Look I want a new manager. It has to happen now but the reality of his performance is a little different to the story most of you want to tell
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 20, 2018, 04:04:58 PM
Iím not suggesting heís great. Just that a load of people on a forum calling him a born loser is a little much. Heís infinitely more successful than anyone on here



Being a manager is probably one of the only jobs in the world where you get paid off for being shite
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 20, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
Iím not suggesting heís great. Just that a load of people on a forum calling him a born loser is a little much. Heís infinitely more successful than anyone on here



Mate, you've just said he's had a fantastic career.

Also, your argument of 'he's more successful than anyone on here' is probably the worst thing I've seen on here.

Like saying 'well he's a better player than you' whenever someone says they don't rate a player.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 20, 2018, 04:11:16 PM
If Allardyce's brief next season was to challenge the top 6 he wouldn't have a clue how to go about it, which is what it should come down to. He hasn't any idea how to get something from the 12 games against the top 6, the away games against the rest he sees a point being a good result so he'll concentrate on the home games against teams supposedly beneath us. That's mid table shite, at best, and it's all he's good for. You'd like to hope Moshiri knows enough about football to see that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 20, 2018, 04:16:49 PM
If Allardyce's brief next season was to challenge the top 6 he wouldn't have a clue how to go about it, which is what it should come down to. He hasn't any idea how to get something from the 12 games against the top 6, the away games against the rest he sees a point being a good result so he'll concentrate on the home games against teams supposedly beneath us. That's mid table shite, at best, and it's all he's good for. You'd like to hope Moshiri knows enough about football to see that.

It seems a few on here would be pleased with mid table, it worries me that our board might be too
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 20, 2018, 04:17:06 PM
Had a listen to the guardian podcast earlier, as well as the ramble. None of them had an issue with the survey. I respect the journos on these pods far more than anyone in ďmainstreamĒ media.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 20, 2018, 04:26:18 PM
Had a listen to the guardian podcast earlier, as well as the ramble. None of them had an issue with the survey. I respect the journos on these pods far more than anyone in ďmainstreamĒ media.

Yeah, I've got mates who support a few different Prem and non-Prem teams and this hasn't registered on their radars at all as a big, embarrassing issue. I think we overstate it and get carried away.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 04:38:01 PM
I have read this several times now and still can't work out your logic.  So a new manager won't guarantee us 7th playing drab awful football?  Is that it?  Great!  I'm all for finishing 10th or what ever and playing exciting football, building for the future and letting the youngsters and new signings bed in so we can push on in the coming seasons.

Coming 7th playing hoofball with a man in charge whose toxic, trolling the fans, slagging off the club staff, binning the youngsters at the first opportunity etc etc is NOT something we NEED or should aspire to in any way shape or form.

try reading it again without your hate for Sam it is fucking blinding you
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: ajax_andy on April 20, 2018, 04:42:07 PM
try reading it again without your hate for Sam it is fucking blinding you

It's not though, everything I've stated is completely factual... show me where it isn't?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Tinga on April 20, 2018, 04:42:42 PM
Had a listen to the guardian podcast earlier, as well as the ramble. None of them had an issue with the survey. I respect the journos on these pods far more than anyone in ďmainstreamĒ media.

Nobody gives a shit about Everton though, why would they? we are pretty much a nothing team right now.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 20, 2018, 04:47:19 PM
Nobody gives a shit about Everton though, why would they? we are pretty much a nothing team right now.

Sad but true. Outside of our fan base weíre pretty much irrelevant to most fans and the media but then again so are most of the league.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 04:53:07 PM
I have read this several times now and still can't work out your logic.  So a new manager won't guarantee us 7th playing drab awful football?  Is that it?  Great!  I'm all for finishing 10th or what ever and playing exciting football, building for the future and letting the youngsters and new signings bed in so we can push on in the coming seasons.

Coming 7th playing hoofball with a man in charge whose toxic, trolling the fans, slagging off the club staff, binning the youngsters at the first opportunity etc etc is NOT something we NEED or should aspire to in any way shape or form.

10th you say hummm what about 11th for 2 years would you take that
binning the youngsters what a joke , that is something that Sam haters say that cant really be shown to be wrong as no matter how many minutes he gives to them there will always be some left out and so Sam haters have there free dig sad really

hoofball lol you no what its called when its not being used by a Hater direct football 2 years ago we were all saying on here it was great to have a new manager playing direct football and not this tipy tap crap
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 20, 2018, 05:20:56 PM
10th you say hummm what about 11th for 2 years would you take that
binning the youngsters what a joke , that is something that Sam haters say that cant really be shown to be wrong as no matter how many minutes he gives to them there will always be some left out and so Sam haters have there free dig sad really

hoofball lol you no what its called when its not being used by a Hater direct football 2 years ago we were all saying on here it was great to have a new manager playing direct football and not this tipy tap crap
Direct football involves picking men out

Hoof ball is kicking the ball into corners and hoping to pick up bits

I'll let you decide which one you think we play, I already know your answer anyway
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: ajax_andy on April 20, 2018, 05:26:54 PM
Direct football involves picking men out

Hoof ball is kicking the ball into corners and hoping to pick up bits

I'll let you decide which one you think we play, I already know your answer anyway

Spliting hairs but ok, I'd rather someone who played football on the ground then direct balls up to an isolated striker whilst our right sided attacker has to sprint the entire length of the pitch due to being played as a secondary right back. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 20, 2018, 05:29:45 PM
Spliting hairs but ok, I'd rather someone who played football on the ground then direct balls up to an isolated striker whilst our right sided attacker has to sprint the entire length of the pitch due to being played as a secondary right back.
I'm with you regarding the isolated striker and the winger being way out of position
I'm not fussed how it gets to our forwards.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 20, 2018, 05:31:01 PM
10th you say hummm what about 11th for 2 years would you take that
binning the youngsters what a joke , that is something that Sam haters say that cant really be shown to be wrong as no matter how many minutes he gives to them there will always be some left out and so Sam haters have there free dig sad really

hoofball lol you no what its called when its not being used by a Hater direct football 2 years ago we were all saying on here it was great to have a new manager playing direct football and not this tipy tap crap

Can we have this translated into English please? Thank you.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 05:32:18 PM
Direct football involves picking men out

Hoof ball is kicking the ball into corners and hoping to pick up bits

I'll let you decide which one you think we play, I already know your answer anyway

so Koeman was Direct football that was shit and getting so no points and fucked over ever game
Sam is Hoof ball and got us out of the shit we were in (and we were in the shit jimmy)

we are playing better football now than we were under Koeman and no its still not good far form it
we have had 2 dreamers as managers for what near 4 years now we need a realist in for a bit now to sort this "team of shit out "
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 05:34:49 PM
Can we have this translated into English please? Thank you.

will do you no good I cant make a fucking wanker learn to read if he does not want to there asshole that clear that up for you 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: ajax_andy on April 20, 2018, 05:35:56 PM
I'm with you regarding the isolated striker and the winger being way out of position
I'm not fussed how it gets to our forwards.

But the way you get it to a forward matters massively if everyone else is 70 yards away.  That's a huge flaw in his approach and it won't change no matter what resources he's given or which club he's at.

His approach is severely limited and won't take the club forward in any way
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 20, 2018, 05:41:14 PM
will do you no good I cant make a fucking wanker learn to read if he does not want to there asshole that clear that up for you 

Well I'll consider myself well and truly told, thank you.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 20, 2018, 05:41:45 PM
so Koeman was Direct football that was shit and getting so no points and fucked over ever game
Sam is Hoof ball and got us out of the shit we were in (and we were in the shit jimmy)

we are playing better football now than we were under Koeman and no its still not good far form it
we have had 2 dreamers as managers for what near 4 years now we need a realist in for a bit now to sort this "team of shit out "

I think people want to use this 'we were in the s**t' excuse to justify his appointment, there were a lot of teams in a worse shape than us prior to his appointment, it was bad but our squad was miles to good to go down. The football is terrible, but wasnt much better before. The transfer committee ruined our season before it kicked off and if Sam didnt have the luxury of a transfer window to acquire a striker his performances would probably have been worst than they were prior to his reign as its based on nothing other than taking the very limited opportunities we'll create and sitting deep. It isnt a formula for success and we need to move on asap
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 20, 2018, 05:43:37 PM
Iím not suggesting heís great. Just that a load of people on a forum calling him a born loser is a little much. Heís infinitely more successful than anyone on here



At football maybe.....but in life?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 05:44:08 PM
Well I'll consider myself well and truly told, thank you.

no worries any time

as I have said before attacking grammer or spelling is the lowest form of trying to get you point across and I will help you to cut that out any time
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 20, 2018, 05:47:36 PM
no worries any time

as I have said before attacking grammer or spelling is the lowest form of trying to get you point across and I will help you to cut that out any time

I get the whole 'grammar Nazi' thing, and I've had to resist pointing it out to you myself, and held myself back.

But then, it affects the way you come across, so it does kinda matter on a forum that relies on written correspondence.

And to put it bluntly, it makes you sound like a right fucking idiot. Just basic punctuation would be a start.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 20, 2018, 05:49:45 PM
no worries any time

as I have said before attacking grammer or spelling is the lowest form of trying to get you point across and I will help you to cut that out any time

No it's not. The lowest form would be attacking someone because of who or what they are. Using any grammar helps your argument as it allows people to make sense of what your saying. When you don't use a full stop and two or more arguments run into one then it gets confusing and people won't understand the point(s) you are trying to make. It's easier for me as I see this on a daily basis, but even for me it's hard making sense of what you are saying. Full stops and commas are your friends
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 05:51:40 PM
I think people want to use this 'we were in the s**t' excuse to justify his appointment, there were a lot of teams in a worse shape than us prior to his appointment, it was bad but our squad was miles to good to go down. The football is terrible, but wasnt much better before. The transfer committee ruined our season before it kicked off and if Sam didnt have the luxury of a transfer window to acquire a striker his performances would probably have been worst than they were prior to his reign as its based on nothing other than taking the very limited opportunities we'll create and sitting deep. It isnt a formula for success and we need to move on asap

I really think a lot on here think are squad is better than it is or are blind to it being crap
when you come into a team in the bottom 3/4 your not being asked to go out and beat the top teams you looking to get a few points of them and we did get a few point for them
you more about getting what he has got us home point that we were not getting before he came in

yes the whole summer window was a shit one for the money spent but there was signs of that the year before that was just as bad

2 think 4 years ago we need to be looking at a new defence and 3 of the 4 played last game is really something to worry about
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 20, 2018, 06:14:12 PM
But the way you get it to a forward matters massively if everyone else is 70 yards away.  That's a huge flaw in his approach and it won't change no matter what resources he's given or which club he's at.

His approach is severely limited and won't take the club forward in any way
Again I am with you, it's one thing Coleman knocking a ball up to tosun who has Walcott and say Davies and Bolasie around him and running off him its another Coleman knocking a ball up to tosun when Coleman has Walcott and Davies stood on his toes!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: goodtouchforabigman on April 20, 2018, 06:24:25 PM
No it's not. The lowest form would be attacking someone because of who or what they are. Using any grammar helps your argument as it allows people to make sense of what your saying. When you don't use a full stop and two or more arguments run into one then it gets confusing and people won't understand the point(s) you are trying to make. It's easier for me as I see this on a daily basis, but even for me it's hard making sense of what you are saying. Full stops and commas are your friends
Sorry mate I couldnít resist, you put ďyourĒ instead of ďyouíreĒ.

But Bogie, come on mate, the odd comma or full stop wouldn't hurt and while I'm at it, you haven't even used a capital letter in your forum name!!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 20, 2018, 06:24:52 PM
Sorry mate I couldnít resist, you put ďyourĒ instead of ďyouíreĒ.

But Bogie, come on mate, the odd comma or full stop wouldn't hurt and while I'm at it, you haven't even used a capital letter in your forum name!!

I always throw the odd one in as a test 😉
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: goodtouchforabigman on April 20, 2018, 06:25:54 PM
Haha, same here mate, same hear!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 20, 2018, 06:32:44 PM
no worries any time

as I have said before attacking grammer or spelling is the lowest form of trying to get you point across and I will help you to cut that out any time

It isn't though is it, have a read back before you post, add the occasional comma or full stop, it make a whole lot of difference and makes things easier to read. My grammar is shocking, that's what I read back before I post something.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 20, 2018, 06:55:18 PM
It isn't though is it, have a read back before you post, add the occasional comma or full stop, it make a whole lot of difference and makes things easier to read. My grammar is shocking, that's what I read back before I post something.

back on iot again now you have a few more jumping in lol so sad ,.,,, .... ,... ,,,
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 20, 2018, 06:57:33 PM
back on iot again now you have a few more jumping in lol so sad ,.,,, .... ,... ,,,

Why is it sad?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 20, 2018, 07:10:41 PM
It's a sad, sad situation.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 20, 2018, 07:16:18 PM
back on iot again now you have a few more jumping in lol so sad ,.,,, .... ,... ,,,

Back on what again?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 20, 2018, 07:16:41 PM
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Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 20, 2018, 07:35:43 PM

when you come into a team in the bottom 3/4 your not being asked to go out and beat the top teams you looking to get a few points of them and we did get a few point for them
you more about getting what he has got us home point that we were not getting before he came in

2 think 4 years ago we need to be looking at a new defence and 3 of the 4 played last game is really something to worry about

Factually incorrect on a lot here. Firstly he didnt come into a team in the bottom 3/4, secondly before his arrival Everton played at home Stoke (W), Tottenham (L), Bournemouth (W), Burnley (L), Aresenal (L), Watford (W), West Ham (W), so we were doing exactly what you said we weren't doing, beat the lesser teams at home and pick up points. The fact you couldn't have picked a harder set of fixtures to open the season with really damaged our confidence and didnt help our points, but we were doing exactly what you said we had to, and what Sam has continued to do to some extent so has he really done anything that great? We also got points away at Man City. something not many others have managed to do.

The point about the defence is valid ill give you that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 20, 2018, 07:58:54 PM
Mate, you've just said he's had a fantastic career.

Also, your argument of 'he's more successful than anyone on here' is probably the worst thing I've seen on here.

Like saying 'well he's a better player than you' whenever someone says they don't rate a player.



They are paying him in 10s of millions. Itís not close to anyone on here I wouldnít imagine. Heís done extremely well for a born loser.

Where was he shite. Blackburn were better before they sacked him. Newcastle were better before they sacked him. He kept Sunderland and palace up. He was well thought of at Bolton. Was sacked from West Ham for not playing the West Ham way which is a nonsense. Letís not rewrite history here. Heís had a very long career at the top end of a multi billion pound industry
Heís not been shite anywhere previously.

Now maybe thereís an argument heís not designed for our ambitions, that heís past his sell buy date. That heís been shite here. Iím not having heís had a crap career though thatís just a nonsense
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Major Clanger on April 20, 2018, 08:18:18 PM
Managing shite desperate teams, that's what he does, he is no better than Pardew, Pulis and Mark Hughes. They're cut from the same cloth

Pulis has far too much dignity and humility to even be mentioned in the same bracket as the others.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 20, 2018, 08:27:05 PM
They are paying him in 10s of millions. Itís not close to anyone on here I wouldnít imagine. Heís done extremely well for a born loser.

Where was he shite. Blackburn were better before they sacked him. Newcastle were better before they sacked him. He kept Sunderland and palace up. He was well thought of at Bolton. Was sacked from West Ham for not playing the West Ham way which is a nonsense. Letís not rewrite history here. Heís had a very long career at the top end of a multi billion pound industry
Heís not been shite anywhere previously.

Now maybe thereís an argument heís not designed for our ambitions, that heís past his sell buy date. That heís been shite here. Iím not having heís had a crap career though thatís just a nonsense

He's like a temporary hit, improves other people's shit teams short term with his % based approach to football, puts together his own frankly shit team of mercenaries, then leaves so someone else cops the flak for the inevitable implosion and toxicity that he put together
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 20, 2018, 09:33:23 PM
Nobody gives a shit about Everton though, why would they? we are pretty much a nothing team right now.

Not sure what your point is? They were discussing the topic, so they give enough of a shit to discuss it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 20, 2018, 09:37:00 PM
will do you no good I cant make a fucking wanker learn to read if he does not want to there asshole that clear that up for you 

Getting worse and worse at this trolling business. Sad to see... actually that's a lie.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 20, 2018, 09:40:51 PM
No worries, any time.

As I have said previously, attacking grammar or spelling is the lowest form of whit, and attempting to make a point. I'll help you to cut that out, any time.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 20, 2018, 10:20:32 PM
They are paying him in 10s of millions. Itís not close to anyone on here I wouldnít imagine. Heís done extremely well for a born loser.

Where was he shite. Blackburn were better before they sacked him. Newcastle were better before they sacked him. He kept Sunderland and palace up. He was well thought of at Bolton. Was sacked from West Ham for not playing the West Ham way which is a nonsense. Letís not rewrite history here. Heís had a very long career at the top end of a multi billion pound industry
Heís not been shite anywhere previously.

Now maybe thereís an argument heís not designed for our ambitions, that heís past his sell buy date. That heís been shite here. Iím not having heís had a crap career though thatís just a nonsense

I've completely lost the gist of the argument you're trying to put across here.

You said he's had a fantastic career. He clearly hasn't.

As for you comparing the money he earns to the money people on this site earn, well that's a nonsense argument and you know it.

I'm out.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 20, 2018, 10:24:06 PM
I really think a lot on here think are squad is better than it is or are blind to it being crap
when you come into a team in the bottom 3/4 your not being asked to go out and beat the top teams you looking to get a few points of them and we did get a few point for them
you more about getting what he has got us home point that we were not getting before he came in

yes the whole summer window was a shit one for the money spent but there was signs of that the year before that was just as bad

2 think 4 years ago we need to be looking at a new defence and 3 of the 4 played last game is really something to worry about

Yeh Iíll agree with that. You do make some decent posts in amongst all the wumming and obvious piss takes.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 21, 2018, 01:52:48 AM
I've completely lost the gist of the argument you're trying to put across here.

You said he's had a fantastic career. He clearly hasn't.

As for you comparing the money he earns to the money people on this site earn, well that's a nonsense argument and you know it.

I'm out.

Heís probably been in the top 100 in his field for a good decade. Is that not a fantastic career? It seems closer to fantastic than being a born loser

People can not like him, think heís not good enough and acknowledge maybe heís not some retard whoís just happened on a career in a sport he doesnít understand
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 21, 2018, 02:51:24 AM
Has he actually won anything as a manager? If the answer is no, don't say it's cos he's managed shit teams because if he was any good he's have managed good teams.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 21, 2018, 03:17:33 AM
After the survey surely he has to go? Only a money grabbing, can't be arsed would take that slap to the face and accept it. If he doesn't go then I think our club is terminal because we'd be prepared to accept him as manager.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 21, 2018, 03:31:19 AM
This is fucking bonkers, lads.

Heís shite. He wasnít good enough for Newcastle or West Ham. Heís got to go.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 21, 2018, 04:08:18 AM
Maybe we need to have a demo of sorts on Monday night?
"The surveys not wrong, the surveys not wrong.. Bye, bye Allardyce, the surveys not wrong" as a suggestion..
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 21, 2018, 04:29:15 AM
Maybe we need to have a demo of sorts on Monday night?
"The surveys not wrong, the surveys not wrong.. Bye, bye Allardyce, the surveys not wrong" as a suggestion..

"Fuck off Sam Allardyce" for 90 minutes
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 21, 2018, 04:32:30 AM
"Fuck off Sam Allardyce" for 90 minutes

In any divorce it's always classier to take the high ground. Swearing at him however justified allows him to play victim to the baying crowd.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue slug on April 21, 2018, 04:32:37 AM
This is fucking bonkers, lads.

Heís shite. He wasnít good enough for Newcastle or West Ham. Heís got to go.

This is spot on fella
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Risky on April 21, 2018, 04:37:28 AM
I don't see how anyone can logically be backing him any more, unless either A. You're a contrarian, or B. You've backed yourself in to a corner and lack the dignity to hold your hands up and say that it was a bad appointment.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 21, 2018, 04:51:29 AM
I see the twat is now saying he needs to tear up the squad and start again in the summer.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 21, 2018, 05:07:05 AM
"Fuck off Sam Allardyce" for 90 minutes
If you like Pina Coladaís
And getting beat in the rain
And your not into health food
You are into champagne



Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gash on April 21, 2018, 05:07:43 AM
I see the twat is now saying he needs to tear up the squad and start again in the summer.

Ever the motivator. That should get the players right up for the battle for mid table mediocrity.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 21, 2018, 07:31:19 AM
I see the twat is now saying he needs to tear up the squad and start again in the summer.

so would you be happy going into next season with that squad
he will need to sort out the old players that needed to go last year
he will need to sort out the mess of 2/3 crap windows before he got here

you can try spinning it what ever way you want to make it look like he is blaming the players and not him , but anyone can see he is not far wrong is he

new goal keeper needed for cover
the back line jags,williams and coco out baines not long left in him ,
so there is 5 needed there right of the bat
this team needs a holding player that can get the ball up the pitch with one pass (what barry used to do but with pace )
we need pace on the left that is left footed
and one more up top with pace DCL has lots of pace but we need more or cover
so that's up to 8 players needed

the fact that this team of players can't ever seem to play 3/5 at the back is shocking

that's 8 starting player's needed so is he that wrong

I think there will be that again heading out of the club
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 21, 2018, 01:25:55 PM
Canít wait for Allardyce to finally leave. This 6 months has felt like a fucking lifetime. Iíve not been this uninterested in Everton since Walter Smith was playing 7 CBs in his starting 11.

The sooner heís chased out the better. We need to get tips off West Ham and Newcastle on how to get him to fuck off.

The most depressing thing is that weíve employed a West Ham and Newcastle failure as our manager. Not to mention a crooked bastard too.

The most entertaining thing heís done since being here is using how shite Pardew is as a measure for his own success lolol  lolol
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sirblue57 on April 21, 2018, 01:36:11 PM
so would you be happy going into next season with that squad
he will need to sort out the old players that needed to go last year
he will need to sort out the mess of 2/3 crap windows before he got here

you can try spinning it what ever way you want to make it look like he is blaming the players and not him , but anyone can see he is not far wrong is he

new goal keeper needed for cover
the back line jags,williams and coco out baines not long left in him ,
so there is 5 needed there right of the bat
this team needs a holding player that can get the ball up the pitch with one pass (what barry used to do but with pace )
we need pace on the left that is left footed
and one more up top with pace DCL has lots of pace but we need more or cover
so that's up to 8 players needed

the fact that this team of players can't ever seem to play 3/5 at the back is shocking

that's 8 starting player's needed so is he that wrong

I think there will be that again heading out of the club
Every supporter knew we needed a squad overhaul, TWO SEASONS AGO! The fact martinen and koeman failed to get it right, and walsh, does not make sam a fucking genius.
He has achieved what? in his career? the style of football he has played foes not make you feel warm and fuzzy, just bored and nauseous.
He had the biggest job in football. He lasted ONE GAME!
HE WAS, IS AND NEVER WILL BE , GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY CLUB.
waffle all you like, there is not one argument that can prove otherwise.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 21, 2018, 02:09:23 PM
so would you be happy going into next season with that squad
he will need to sort out the old players that needed to go last year
he will need to sort out the mess of 2/3 crap windows before he got here

you can try spinning it what ever way you want to make it look like he is blaming the players and not him , but anyone can see he is not far wrong is he

new goal keeper needed for cover
the back line jags,williams and coco out baines not long left in him ,
so there is 5 needed there right of the bat
this team needs a holding player that can get the ball up the pitch with one pass (what barry used to do but with pace )
we need pace on the left that is left footed
and one more up top with pace DCL has lots of pace but we need more or cover
so that's up to 8 players needed

the fact that this team of players can't ever seem to play 3/5 at the back is shocking

that's 8 starting player's needed so is he that wrong

I think there will be that again heading out of the club

Every fan knows this. The fact that Allardyce would consider selling a player like Lookman and ignores one like Vlasic is concerning when it comes to his talent spotting. I know they're young but they've got great potential and to be honest I wouldn't trust him with the amount of money we may need to spend. Another season under him is a season wasted, never mind the money he could squander.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gumpinio on April 21, 2018, 03:05:06 PM
"Fuck off Sam Allardyce" for 90 minutes

The Newcastle fans might even join in with us
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheTone on April 21, 2018, 05:05:11 PM
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Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 21, 2018, 07:01:20 PM
It's all very well him saying sell him and sell him. We are safe now and the team have been shite. so klaasen and vlasic should be given chances. If he has his way Lookman is gone as well.
I don't think the fans would be totally in his face monday if he says he's gonna experiment using fringe players.  Try baningame (Sorry for spelling) alongside gana. With klaasen and vlasic in the attacking 3 including Walcott.
But he won't cos he hasn't the bollocks. He's more worried about getting it in the neck if it doesn't work. Instead, klaasen will be sold in the summer and I like many will always wonder would he have come good with more opportunities.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 21, 2018, 07:11:34 PM
It's all very well him saying sell him and sell him. We are safe now and the team have been shite. so klaasen and vlasic should be given chances. If he has his way Lookman is gone as well.
I don't think the fans would be totally in his face monday if he says he's gonna experiment using fringe players.  Try baningame (Sorry for spelling) alongside gana. With klaasen and vlasic in the attacking 3 including Walcott.
But he won't cos he hasn't the bollocks. He's more worried about getting it in the neck if it doesn't work. Instead, klaasen will be sold in the summer and I like many will always wonder would he have come good with more opportunities.

I think he might well give the likes of Vlasic, Klaassen and Baningime a run out in the hope it will quieten down any expected frustrations.

Itís a win win for him that way really. Do it and the atmosphere isnít as toxic and he can again say itís a small minority, get beat and he can (and will) turn around and say ďlook they asked for these lads and wanted me to try them but thatís why theyíve not been given a chance...Ē

Wouldnít surprise me at all.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 21, 2018, 07:13:53 PM
Put another way...it's my worst fear that a manager like him gets the opportunity to do a mass cull of our players and bring in new players that he wants.
Bearing in mind that at the start of next season when asked of the club's ambition, he will reply that avoiding relegation is the key.
The damage having a twat like him involved in players coming in or out could be massive.
So I'm certainly not arguing that players need to go. It's having HIM  involved that's my worry
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 21, 2018, 07:16:56 PM
I think he might well give the likes of Vlasic, Klaassen and Baningime a run out in the hope it will quieten down any expected frustrations.

Itís a win win for him that way really. Do it and the atmosphere isnít as toxic and he can again say itís a small minority, get beat and he can (and will) turn around and say ďlook they asked for these lads and wanted me to try them but thatís why theyíve not been given a chance...Ē

Wouldnít
surprise me at all.

Wish he had the plumbs on him to give the fringe players a fucking run until the end ...but imho he will stick with Schneiderlin ,Williams and the likes in stead of younger hungry for minutes talent .....but within all this I have a problem ....teaching these fringe players to be defeatist before the shirt is even pulled on (as only hiz shithouse tactics can)could affect them negatively in the long run .

Catch 22 squared.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 21, 2018, 07:22:57 PM
Wish he had the plumbs on him to give the fringe players a fucking run until the end ...but imho he will stick with Schneiderlin ,Williams and the likes in stead of younger hungry for minutes talent .....but within all this I have a problem ....teaching these fringe players to be defeatist before the shirt is even pulled on (as only hiz shithouse tactics can)could affect them negatively in the long run .

Catch 22 squared.

Think itíd be a different story if it was an away match, heíd definitely go safety first. But like I say changing it up for this gives him an out either way I wouldnít be surprised to see him taken it, heís all about self preservation. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 21, 2018, 07:28:47 PM
Quite agree that it would be a shrewd move on his part to pick those players. Crowd will not want to create a toxic atmosphere for those players.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 21, 2018, 08:57:10 PM
Every supporter knew we needed a squad overhaul, TWO SEASONS AGO! The fact martinen and koeman failed to get it right, and walsh, does not make sam a fucking genius.
He has achieved what? in his career? the style of football he has played foes not make you feel warm and fuzzy, just bored and nauseous.
He had the biggest job in football. He lasted ONE GAME!
HE WAS, IS AND NEVER WILL BE , GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY CLUB.
waffle all you like, there is not one argument that can prove otherwise.

lol did you even read you post that I was posting about

all you have done with this post is agree with me and you cant even see it for the hate mist
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 21, 2018, 09:12:22 PM
It's all very well him saying sell him and sell him. We are safe now and the team have been shite. so klaasen and vlasic should be given chances. If he has his way Lookman is gone as well.
I don't think the fans would be totally in his face monday if he says he's gonna experiment using fringe players.  Try baningame (Sorry for spelling) alongside gana. With klaasen and vlasic in the attacking 3 including Walcott.
But he won't cos he hasn't the bollocks. He's more worried about getting it in the neck if it doesn't work. Instead, klaasen will be sold in the summer and I like many will always wonder would he have come good with more opportunities.

here just for you
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/04/20/baningime-can-play-important-role-for-blues
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 21, 2018, 09:18:17 PM
here just for you
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/04/20/baningime-can-play-important-role-for-blues

All to little too late ...Benni should've been in for the French surrender monkey for weeks now ...amazing what a shot manager will do when his job is circling the drain .

Also suprised you don't want Benni sold with Ademola and Henry ...for some 30 year olds past their best like your Messiah the gravy man .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 21, 2018, 09:24:06 PM
All to little too late ...Benni should've been in for the French surrender monkey for weeks now ...amazing what a shot manager will do when his job is circling the drain .

Also suprised you don't want Benni sold with Ademola and Henry ...for some 30 year olds past their best like your Messiah the gravy man .

you got the voices in you head again I have not said a word about this new lad but its nice of you to build him up so much before he had even kicked a ball for us

really creep fuck off and grow up
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 21, 2018, 09:27:15 PM
you got the voices in you head again I have not said a word about this new lad but its nice of you to build him up so much before he had even kicked a ball for us

really creep fuck off and grow up

Hahahaha 😅😅you fucking childish cunt ...give your fucking head a wobble ....it's a forum not your  own sandpit ....fuckneck .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 21, 2018, 09:31:49 PM
Hahahaha 😅😅you fucking childish cunt ...give your fucking head a wobble ....it's a forum not your  own sandpit ....fuckneck .

if you don't like what I post DONT READ IT , DONT POST BACK
but you creep hunt for anything I post you now even making shit up , SO FUCKING SAD
your a we boy on the internet trying to look good
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 21, 2018, 10:14:45 PM
So is this dopey prick therealdunc?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 21, 2018, 10:20:17 PM
So is this dopey prick therealdunc?

not sure if he is or not
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 21, 2018, 10:36:50 PM
So I guess that yes. Hopefully when Allardyce gets sacked youíll fuck off too you dopey prick.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 21, 2018, 10:41:58 PM
you got the voices in you head again I have not said a word about this new lad but its nice of you to build him up so much before he had even kicked a ball for us

really creep fuck off and grow up

He has kicked a ball for us though hasn't he?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 21, 2018, 10:48:52 PM
He has kicked a ball for us though hasn't he?
................Don't think so.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 21, 2018, 10:58:12 PM
................Don't think so.

Benni?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: cantoffee on April 21, 2018, 11:00:33 PM
He's shit
He's fat
He'll soon get the sack
Allardyce Allardyce
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 21, 2018, 11:11:17 PM
He's shit
He's fat
He'll soon get the sack
Allardyce Allardyce

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talksport.com/football/joey-barton-slams-glorified-pe-teacher-david-unsworth-and-warns-everton-could-be-relegated%3famp
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 21, 2018, 11:16:33 PM
Benni?
.............thought he meant Henry Okikoke
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 21, 2018, 11:17:22 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talksport.com/football/joey-barton-slams-glorified-pe-teacher-david-unsworth-and-warns-everton-could-be-relegated%3famp

Joey 'utter fucking gobshite" Barton, to give him his full title, there
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 21, 2018, 11:19:58 PM
Joey 'utter fucking gobshite" Barton, to give him his full title, there

Absolutely and we were all outraged when he commented on unsworth weight. Oddly itís the go to insult for allardyce and has been since he was even rumoured to be coming here. Can only assume heís guzzled everyoneís personal gravy
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 21, 2018, 11:24:30 PM
Absolutely and we were all outraged when he commented on unsworth weight. Oddly itís the go to insult for allardyce and has been since he was even rumoured to be coming here. Can only assume heís guzzled everyoneís personal gravy

it was more the "glorified PE teacher" that got people's backs up than anything.  Well, that and the fact that Joey Barton feels he has the right to comment about anything ever at all.

Allardyce has always been labelled "fat Sam" even by the man himself at times.  Unsworth was labelled Rhino, and took the piss out of the size shorts he wore as a player himself.

Generally though, it was that Barton had a pop at someone who had clearly given him a dig at some point in his career - something we'd all love to do to the little rat.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 21, 2018, 11:32:35 PM
.............thought he meant Henry Okikoke

TBH haven't a clue. Thought it was about the Benni article
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 21, 2018, 11:40:56 PM
Absolutely and we were all outraged when he commented on unsworth weight. Oddly itís the go to insult for allardyce and has been since he was even rumoured to be coming here. Can only assume heís guzzled everyoneís personal gravy

Why don't you just marry him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 22, 2018, 12:18:10 AM
Why don't you just marry him.

Iím not even a fan. I just think we could be a touch nicer.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 22, 2018, 12:18:38 AM
Why don't you just marry him.

Has he said he likes me though??? Donít play with my emotions here
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 22, 2018, 12:31:33 AM
Absolutely and we were all outraged when he commented on unsworth weight. Oddly itís the go to insult for allardyce and has been since he was even rumoured to be coming here. Can only assume heís guzzled everyoneís personal gravy

Unsworth has ties to the club. He's a Blue. Ex player and u23's manager. That's why people took offence.
Sam.....well he's fuckin nothing to this club.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 22, 2018, 12:33:16 AM
I am wondering if Barton's tenure as a manager could set a new record for the shortest time and if he will put a bet on it?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 22, 2018, 02:50:47 AM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talksport.com/football/joey-barton-slams-glorified-pe-teacher-david-unsworth-and-warns-everton-could-be-relegated%3famp

Was bollocks then, even more so now, top 10 under Unsworth, easily
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sirblue57 on April 22, 2018, 04:55:23 AM
lol did you even read you post that I was posting about

all you have done with this post is agree with me and you cant even see it for the hate mist

Sorry im just sick of the absolute shite spoken about him. He is a stain on the club .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: boothill on April 22, 2018, 05:47:56 AM
.............thought he meant Henry Okikoke
Oooooooooooooh do the oki   forget it
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 22, 2018, 06:44:56 AM
Unsworth has ties to the club. He's a Blue. Ex player and u23's manager. That's why people took offence.
Sam.....well he's fuckin nothing to this club.

think you will find he is the manager of this club
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 22, 2018, 06:51:15 AM
think you will find he is the manager of this club
Not for much longer
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 22, 2018, 06:52:51 AM
So I guess that yes. Hopefully when Allardyce gets sacked you’ll fuck off too you dopey prick.

yeah sure I only started post on here when Sam came in YOU DOPEY PRICK

is it really that hard to go look back at post and work it out for yourself YOU DOPEY PRICK
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 22, 2018, 06:54:15 AM
Not for much longer

he will be here next year get used to it or your in for a long one
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 22, 2018, 07:03:03 AM
he will be here next year get used to it or your in for a long one
Donít think so mate, we wonít hand him the keys of the piggy bank in case he spends it all in the one shop, heís never had money to spend before and you think Moshiri is going to let him cut his teeth with his fortune ? No I didnít think so either. His only track record is in relegation scraps so what kind of player could he possibly attract to our club ? Thatís right players coming to the end of their careers as well as awful hoof ballers putting into row Z as per his instructions.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueMaquis on April 22, 2018, 10:29:50 AM
Donít think so mate, we wonít hand him the keys of the piggy bank in case he spends it all in the one shop, heís never had money to spend before and you think Moshiri is going to let him cut his teeth with his fortune ? No I didnít think so either. His only track record is in relegation scraps so what kind of player could he possibly attract to our club ? Thatís right players coming to the end of their careers as well as awful hoof ballers putting into row Z as per his instructions.

Common sense would suggest you're right, but does common sense apply to a man who appointed someone on the strength of being impressed by their autobiography?
Title: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 22, 2018, 12:19:54 PM
Common sense would suggest you're right, but does common sense apply to a man who appointed someone on the strength of being impressed by their autobiography?
It really depends on the lessons he's learned, and the best lessons are ones you've had to pay for so I think he may well have learned his in recent times.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 22, 2018, 01:10:12 PM
Common sense would suggest you're right, but does common sense apply to a man who appointed someone on the strength of being impressed by their autobiography?

Donít think that biography story should be taken literally at all.

He was clearly appointed as in the basis of a mild panic that we might be in for a relegation struggle.

Even then we only wanted 6 months but when we had to go back cap in hand weíve had to offer 18m to make a bigger pay out when we get shut.

Canít say that in public of course.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 22, 2018, 01:12:54 PM
I think the fact Moshiri allowed the survey suggests there's serious doubts about keeping him here. A club needs it's fans more than a manager so he's going I reckon and knowing Allardyce he'll be making sure the sums add up. I just can't imagine a whole season of that type of football.. Just too much to contemplate.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: howard1334 on April 22, 2018, 02:33:37 PM
Can everyone just stop responding to trolling, myself included. It is taking up a lot of the threads the last couple of days.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bally on April 22, 2018, 02:42:13 PM
he will be here next year get used to it or your in for a long one
Can't see it you know, really hope you're wrong with this, don't think I could cope, the atmosphere in the club is fucking rank, and after the attack on the staff then I think it will be a shorter stay.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 22, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
Alleged big meeting in the week about his future.. try make sure over 30k supporters let the board know exactly how they feel at Newcastle game.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 22, 2018, 03:16:11 PM
Can everyone just stop responding to trolling, myself included. It is taking up a lot of the threads the last couple of days.

Thereís very little other on the threads at the moment.

Can we just forfeit the last few games and get to the bit where we all become interested again please.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Polledreng on April 22, 2018, 03:22:32 PM
Can everyone just stop responding to trolling, myself included. It is taking up a lot of the threads the last couple of days.
if only it was the norwegian trolls. They are so sweet and probably the only ones in Norway not supporting the shite (sorry to the few blue norwegians we have here)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 22, 2018, 04:33:50 PM
Can't see it you know, really hope you're wrong with this, don't think I could cope, the atmosphere in the club is fucking rank, and after the attack on the staff then I think it will be a shorter stay.

Heís not done anything in his career to suggest that he should stay on.

His argument has always been that heís never been anywhere to really show what he can do.

Albeit only 6 months there have been no signs that heíll do anything in his career with us to match what appear to be our ambitions.

Ignoring hysteria around personal dislike, heís not been terrible here.

Results have been ok; not brilliant but not terrible either.

But performances havenít been promising enough.

In the tougher games there has been nothing to show potential results next season.

And in the easier games far too many offer little to no entertainment.

Add in a large amount of antipathy towards him to that lack of evident promise and there is no point even considering keeping him on.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 22, 2018, 04:35:15 PM
Alleged big meeting in the week about his future.. try make sure over 30k supporters let the board know exactly how they feel at Newcastle game.
......................reported in the Mail and repeated in the Echo. ' Crunch ' board meeting this week.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 22, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
If the board are on the fence about whether he deserves another year then it should be put to bed by them seeing the sheer numbers protesting tommorrow. If the atmosphere toward him is fairly subdued and we get a win they may very well keep him. Never thought I'd be almost happy for a defeat.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bally on April 22, 2018, 05:58:00 PM
He's not done anything in his career to suggest that he should stay on.

His argument has always been that he's never been anywhere to really show what he can do.

Albeit only 6 months there have been no signs that he'll do anything in his career with us to match what appear to be our ambitions.

Ignoring hysteria around personal dislike, he's not been terrible here.

Results have been ok; not brilliant but not terrible either.

But performances haven't been promising enough.

In the tougher games there has been nothing to show potential results next season.

And in the easier games far too many offer little to no entertainment.

Add in a large amount of antipathy towards him to that lack of evident promise and there is no point even considering keeping him on.
The results have been Meh and "expected" (remember that shit) with the form we have been on, it's the boredom and lack of any verve, and shite substitutions, clueless at times. Yes the players have to take a hit somewhere but the rise in form is only because of Walcott Coleman and Baines coming back into the team and other teams we've played being shitter than us.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: pjk on April 22, 2018, 06:17:21 PM
It's a big game, and a big week for EFC next week.  Somethings brewing, that's for sure. There seems to be a lot of organising going on in the background. :P
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 22, 2018, 06:51:34 PM
Big week or not heís not arsed. Heíd probably quite like the boot to retire properly this time, only a hell of a lot more wealthy, as well as away from the Ďidiotsí who donít like him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 22, 2018, 07:44:08 PM
Big week or not heís not arsed. Heíd probably quite like the boot to retire properly this time, only a hell of a lot more wealthy, as well as away from the Ďidiotsí who donít like him.

The idiots who don't like him .....AKA. .the entire football community .😅
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sirblue57 on April 22, 2018, 08:53:37 PM
This fucker is unbelievable. After the England fiasco, he should have been BEGGING for a chance to manage any club, and more so Everton.
To be given that chance, then act the cuntish way he has been, is fucking ridiculous.
He is not classless, he is a disgrace to football in general, and lets be honest its not a profession over burdened with classy people.  So to be that much of a cunt takes some doing.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 22, 2018, 10:28:13 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/988074447243362304
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Shogun on April 22, 2018, 10:48:21 PM
We should remember that the only reason there's a decision to be made is because Allardyce forced an 18 month contract.

Moshiri only ever wanted him on a six month contract to get us out of a perceived relegation fight. It's hard to imagine that Moshiri has been convinced he's the right man in the time elapsed since.

I'm more and more confident he'll be gone soon enough.

If you look back at his exit from West Ham:

18th May 2015 - "I want to see this through," he said. "But that depends on a lot of anomalies in terms of negotiations. I'll find out next week and then if they say that (they won't renew his contract) I can ask them why - see if they give me an honest answer."

22nd May 2015 - ďI didnít want to stay,Ē he said. ďI suppose you can say it is a mutual [decision], if they say they didnít want to give me one [a contract] anyway! Thatís a bit of tit for tat, but itís done and dusted now, itís settled, we both move on.Ē

We'll pay him off and he'll be happy to shuffle off in the distance.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 22, 2018, 10:50:47 PM
Let's be honest. If SA was any good all the teams he's 'saved' would have offered him a longer contract for keeping them up. He does a 'job' and is expected to fuck off again.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 01:58:30 AM
Good article.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/everton/368/blog/post/3467125/sam-allardyceeverton-need-to-do-more-than-just-avoid-relegation
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 23, 2018, 02:09:13 AM
Good article.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/everton/368/blog/post/3467125/sam-allardyceeverton-need-to-do-more-than-just-avoid-relegation

Spot on that
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 23, 2018, 02:11:46 AM
Good article.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/everton/368/blog/post/3467125/sam-allardyceeverton-need-to-do-more-than-just-avoid-relegation
Decent lad luke
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 23, 2018, 02:21:45 AM
Good article.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/everton/368/blog/post/3467125/sam-allardyceeverton-need-to-do-more-than-just-avoid-relegation
Learned his trade writing for nsno so it's bound to be good!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 23, 2018, 08:49:47 AM
Zero
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 23, 2018, 08:50:29 AM
Or is it still 15?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on April 23, 2018, 01:06:56 PM
New news on Sam .
Fresh of the Finglish press 
A spokesperson for JP Yeti ,Liverpools owner has said that if Sam Allardyce leaves
 this summer they would sign him as the new Liverpool manager ,it is believed that ďKlippitty ď as
he is known at the club -has never once given the board assurances that they would not be relegated ,
this is known to have wrankled the board .Whilst this is totally unsubstantiated it is a quote from a
nephew of the cousin of a cook once employed at USM Finch Farm ,who had her/his employment
 terminated because Allardyce said ďThe pies are too small and there is not enough gravyĒ As they say
 there is no smoke without fire .

UPDATE
It seems to be gathering pace here now as it is reported Allardyce has had a secret meeting with Mo Salah ,asking how he feels about playing right back ! More as we get it
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 23, 2018, 02:08:38 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/22/new-sporting-director-imminent-sam-allardyce-waits-learn-will/

Bascombe reporting it now; also, drink in those comments by Sam. Even by his standards lately, they are fucking doozies.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheTone on April 23, 2018, 03:09:24 PM
playing an absolute blinder with this isn't he, fair play to him, got Moshiri by the short and curlies right from the get go
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 23, 2018, 03:19:20 PM
To be fair SA is pretty good at what he does....spin shit
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 03:38:02 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/22/new-sporting-director-imminent-sam-allardyce-waits-learn-will/

Bascombe reporting it now; also, drink in those comments by Sam. Even by his standards lately, they are fucking doozies.

You see I read them quotes and think it's impossible for a man to get so far up his own backside to not know how he's coming across. Then I think of the sly smirk which usually accompanies such quotes and I question whether he is as stupid as he appears and if he isn't just on a permanent wind-up now, knowing what people think of him and the no-lose financial windfall of a situation he is in.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 23, 2018, 04:24:01 PM
You see I read them quotes and think it's impossible for a man to get so far up his own backside to not know how he's coming across. Then I think of the sly smirk which usually accompanies such quotes and I question whether he is as stupid as he appears and if he isn't just on a permanent wind-up now, knowing what people think of him and the no-lose financial windfall of a situation he is in.
Been saying for months that he is just trolling us all. He knows we aint ever gonna be won over by him, we are safe, hes getting paid ridiculous sums of money so he is just on full out WUM mode
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 04:34:49 PM
Been saying for months that he is just trolling us all. He knows we aint ever gonna be won over by him, we are safe, hes getting paid ridiculous sums of money so he is just on full out WUM mode

He'll welcome any fan demonstration tonight as it'll hasten his exit and payoff. He has no desire to be here any longer than he needs to be and didn't really want the job in the first place, but he was made an offer he couldn't refuse.
You know once the day comes he'll be working the back channels with his mates in the media like that shithouse Custis at The Sun, to rubbish the club and deflect any negativity that might come his way so he can maintain his PR image and secure some media work during his retirement. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 23, 2018, 04:38:35 PM
He'll welcome any fan demonstration tonight as it'll hasten his exit and payoff. He has no desire to be here any longer than he needs to be and didn't really want the job in the first place, but he was made an offer he couldn't refuse.
You know once the day comes he'll be working the back channels with his mates in the media like that shithouse Custis at The Sun, to rubbish the club and deflect any negativity that might come his way so he can maintain his PR image and secure some media work during his retirement. 

Basically do what he always does. One thing I don't understand is the love and respect a lot of the media have for him, he's done nothing at all to justify it.

Sickens me to think that we are now known as just another team who Allardyce rescued and kept up, along with Sunderland and West Ham
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 23, 2018, 04:50:36 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/988195552646107137

https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/988196081400938498
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 23, 2018, 05:12:14 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/988195552646107137

https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/988196081400938498
What a cunt, it was common knowledge that Unsey picked the team and lard arse commented at the time that he had nothing to do with the team selection nor did he address the players. I can see him getting a slap in the dugout tonight.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 05:18:14 PM
He's an interview or two away from bring the club into disrepute you'd like to hope. He's riding on a crest of his own wave at the minute, feeling invincible and winding up everyone concerned with the club. Can we not find a scouse fake sheik who knows their way around Chorley?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 23, 2018, 05:21:12 PM
I have heard that Unsworth and Allardyce do not get on, and do not talk. Shit like this reinforces that view for me. What a hoof-wangling thundercunt.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 23, 2018, 05:23:21 PM
I genuinely think he believes all of this though, no man or player is bigger than the club, yet I get the feeling Sam thinks he is and were lucky to have him. They say footballers and managers lead a sheltered life and have no clue whats going on, this very much backs that sentiment up!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: everton1952 on April 23, 2018, 05:25:39 PM
Never met anyone who wants Sam to stay. It must surely be 100% anti Sam?  Hopefully the club have had the message loud and clear and will be busy finding a replacement, hopefully not on the level of the likes of Silva, otherwise we will be at it again in 12 months time.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 23, 2018, 05:51:08 PM
I genuinely think he believes all of this though, no man or player is bigger than the club, yet I get the feeling Sam thinks he is and were lucky to have him. They say footballers and managers lead a sheltered life and have no clue whats going on, this very much backs that sentiment up!

Spot on, he's so far up his own arse.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 06:19:09 PM
He just believes heís done a decent job. Itís hardly the end of the world. We heard a bigger pile of shit off Martinez.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 23, 2018, 06:23:08 PM
He should show a lot more respect to the people working within the club
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 23, 2018, 06:26:12 PM
Dull Danny Mills trotting out the relegation battle/pragmatism needed/what do the fans expect/job done/deserves a season with money to spend line, loosely translated into Sky are chuffed that Everton didnít gatecrash their precious Top Six or even vaguely trouble their beloved RS, letís promote the narrative of Allardyce deserving to stay so that we can keep little Everton where they belong in perpetual mediocrity.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 23, 2018, 06:31:24 PM
I'd be going through that contract with a fucking fine tooth comb and trying desperately to get this bellend on 'gross misconduct' or something similar. I would love it if he fucked up his payoff.

He's taking the absolute piss now. I hope some scally gets hold of him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 06:33:45 PM
I'd be going through that contract with a fucking fine tooth comb and trying desperately to get this bellend on 'gross misconduct' or something similar. I would love it if he fucked up his payoff.

He's taking the absolute piss now. I hope some scally gets hold of him.

Gross misconduct cos heís saying heís doing a good job. The answer is definitely someone attacking him too. Be lovely to get some media coverage
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 23, 2018, 06:35:03 PM
Gross misconduct cos heís saying heís doing a good job. The answer is definitely someone attacking him too. Be lovely to get some media coverage

I wouldn't be massively upset, put it that way.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 23, 2018, 06:39:33 PM
Gross misconduct cos heís saying heís doing a good job. The answer is definitely someone attacking him too. Be lovely to get some media coverage

I think people are more annoyed at his comments about Unsworth and him taking credit for a win in which he wasn't even in the dugout for.

This coming just a few days after throwing Richard Kenyon under the bus regarding the survey.

It's all very distasteful from the man 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 06:41:08 PM
I wouldn't be massively upset, put it that way.

I really donít get the level of hatred

Heís been a bit shit. Weíve been a bit shit. The money was wasted by Koeman and Walsh. We arenít going down. In fact we will probably finish top half mainly due to luck and the rest being shite but heís not actually doing any lasting damage

Really donít understand the level of rage. Who cares if heís a bit delusional and heís not done as well as he thinks he has

Youíd think he was about to relegate a brilliant Everton not finish 9th with a bit of a crappy 1
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 06:42:33 PM
I think people are more annoyed at his comments about Unsworth and him taking credit for a win in which he wasn't even in the dugout for.

This coming just a few days after throwing Richard Kenyon under the bus regarding the survey.

It's all very distasteful from the man 

He definitely doesnít react well when criticism comes his way. Not sure us fans have the moral high ground here. We havenít exactly been fair or even kept the critiques to just the football. I agree he should have just ignored it though
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 23, 2018, 06:45:05 PM
He definitely doesnít react well when criticism comes his way. Not sure us fans have the moral high ground here. We havenít exactly been fair or even kept the critiques to just the football. I agree he should have just ignored it though

I think we've been very fair to him.

We all got behind and wanted him to do well at first, despite the majority being very against his appointment.

But his dour football and antagonism of the fans has lead to the reaction you see today.

Only himself to blame and he deserves all the criticism he gets.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 06:49:35 PM
I think we've been very fair to him.

We all got behind and wanted him to do well at first, despite the majority being very against his appointment.

But his dour football and antagonism of the fans has lead to the reaction you see today.

Only himself to blame and he deserves all the criticism he gets.

Did we. Most were calling him names before we even played a game.
The majority were on side when the results were good but even then there was an undercurrent of waiting for it to turn. Heís had no leeway. Heís not had fair treatment and Iím amazed anyone is suggesting he has. Heís done infinitely less damage than Koeman did. Will take only a fraction of what either Martinez or Koeman got: I genuinely donít get the level of hate.

Frighteningly heís the best of our last 4 managers (including unsworth)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 23, 2018, 06:54:00 PM
I really donít get the level of hatred

Heís been a bit shit. Weíve been a bit shit. The money was wasted by Koeman and Walsh. We arenít going down. In fact we will probably finish top half mainly due to luck and the rest being shite but heís not actually doing any lasting damage

Really donít understand the level of rage. Who cares if heís a bit delusional and heís not done as well as he thinks he has

Youíd think he was about to relegate a brilliant Everton not finish 9th with a bit of a crappy 1

We've been over it a million times though eh? He could've handled it much better and people wouldn't have disliked him all that much, regardless of the football. A touch of humility and self awareness goes a long way.

It's things like saying everything with a David Brent-like smirk, like he's in the know somehow, and everyone else is a dickhead.

Show some fucking respect for the historic institution that you have been given stewardship of. We're talking about something that grew out of a community 140 years ago, and something that had endured and represented something massively important to many, many people through changes in the world, world wars, depressions, poverty, riots, massive social changes. Our dads and granddads and great granddads supported this club and grew it into what it is, when the world was a very different place. Stop speaking to us like we're a bunch of angry knobheads, and show some fucking humility.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 23, 2018, 06:54:36 PM
Did we. Most were calling him names before we even played a game.
The majority were on side when the results were good but even then there was an undercurrent of waiting for it to turn. Heís had no leeway. Heís not had fair treatment and Iím amazed anyone is suggesting he has. Heís done infinitely less damage than Koeman did. Will take only a fraction of what either Martinez or Koeman got: I genuinely donít get the level of hate.

Frighteningly heís the best of our last 4 managers (including unsworth)

I don't think you understanding this club and it's fanbase and what we expect if you're confused by the reaction towards him

Also, he's nowhere near the best manager we've had since Moyes. You're blinkered by a few decent results against teams we should be beating anyway.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 06:55:44 PM
Iím not defending him either. What weíve ďachievedĒ this season under all 3 managers is mainly down to luck. I doubt thereís many times results outstrip performance like ours have this season. Weíve been lucky to avoid a relegation battle

Allardyce has behaved like a child in response to what I think has been unfair treatment but heís on 6 million a year and should rise above it

Everything has been a bit shitty. His legacy looks better than Walshís Martinezís and Koemans though. Yet people are enraged cos heís fighting his corner. Would sooner Koeman fought his corner and gave us the 20 fucking million back or didnít insist we sign bang average players whatever they cost 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 06:59:23 PM
I don't think you understanding this club and it's fanbase and what we expect if you're confused by the reaction towards him

Also, he's nowhere near the best manager we've had since Moyes. You're blinkered by a few decent results against teams we should be beating anyway.


Iím not blinkered. 2 have been absolutely terrible bordering on lunatics and unsworth looked completely out of his depth. Iím not having Martinez or Koeman were better. They did real harm. 30 odd million between them too
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 23, 2018, 06:59:44 PM
Did we. Most were calling him names before we even played a game.
The majority were on side when the results were good but even then there was an undercurrent of waiting for it to turn. Heís had no leeway. Heís not had fair treatment and Iím amazed anyone is suggesting he has. Heís done infinitely less damage than Koeman did. Will take only a fraction of what either Martinez or Koeman got: I genuinely donít get the level of hate.

Frighteningly heís the best of our last 4 managers (including unsworth)

Howís he the ďthe best of our last 4 managersĒ?

His win ratio is worse than all the others and his points per game average is lower than the other 4.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 23, 2018, 07:03:47 PM
Martinez was better than Allardyce
Koeman was better than Allardyce

The stats speak for themselves
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on April 23, 2018, 07:03:59 PM
Did we. Most were calling him names before we even played a game.
The majority were on side when the results were good but even then there was an undercurrent of waiting for it to turn. He's had no leeway. He's not had fair treatment and I'm amazed anyone is suggesting he has. He's done infinitely less damage than Koeman did. Will take only a fraction of what either Martinez or Koeman got: I genuinely don't get the level of hate.

Frighteningly he's the best of our last 4 managers (including unsworth)

No tbf the majority didnít get behind him. I did, before he lost me with a lot of the teams he was picking around Christmas time.

He is what he is. A lot of criticism aimed at him is because of the situation the club is in. For me, most of that criticism needs to be redirected to the level above the manager. We went into the season without a striker, cover for an injury prone Baines, shit cover for an injured Coleman and no pace in the team. We were fucked before we started.

I donít want Allardyce at the club, but the axe needs to be wielded at DoF level first and foremost. Thereís a lot of sounds that this is whatís happening, so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 07:04:13 PM
Howís he the ďthe best of our last 4 managersĒ?

His win ratio is worse than all the others and his points per game average is lower than the other 4.

Martinez started brilliantly but by the end he was a real danger to our club. He thought we didnít have to bother with defending cos weíd just keep the ball. It was delusional and he would have relegated us
Koemans transfer policy and Walshís weakness is absolutely why we are in the mess we are in

In 6 months neither Koeman or allardyce will manage us. The business we did with allardyce will be much more positive to our future than Koemans.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 23, 2018, 07:06:29 PM
Martinez started brilliantly but by the end he was a real danger to our club. He thought we didnít have to bother with defending cos weíd just keep the ball. It was delusional and he would have relegated us
Koemans transfer policy and Walshís weakness is absolutely why we are in the mess we are in

In 6 months neither Koeman or allardyce will manage us. The business we did with allardyce will be much more positive to our future than Koemans.

So despite the results and the shit football on offer heís the best manager of the four?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 23, 2018, 07:08:52 PM
Weíre in the exact same position as when Koeman left this season, beating the dross at home but being rubbish, bar the odd draw against anyone good; and being dull away from home.

Heís done a caretakerís job, as in picked up points where youíd expect but not done anything to hint at a brighter future.

This is what pundits miss - most are far too black and white in their judgement.

He can have achieved essentially what was required as a base level, but equally not done enough to warrant a full season next.

Itís a bit unpalatable that heíll be pocketing £10m from us or whatever.

But equally Iíd rather have been certain we were ok this year thatís worth £10m.

But then I donít want to waste next year when we donít have to.

No one can see him here in 2020 so outside of stopping the danger that was looming, why waste the next year(s)?

Re personal insults etc he wasnít well liked before - thatís going to surface if heís showing character traits that forged that previously held reputation.

Theyíre also more prevalent the more support he has from media people, as it gives the impression that he should be given more opportunities.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 23, 2018, 07:10:28 PM
The business we did with allardyce will be much more positive to our future than Koemans.

So you're implying Walcott and Tosun will have a bigger impact on our future than Sigurdsson, Pickford, Lookman, Vlasic, Keane, Gueye? Yes there were some dodgy signings, but really!!?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 07:11:53 PM
So despite the results and the shit football on offer heís the best manager of the four?

Yeah I think just about. The results I assume are better than what Koeman or Martinez were achieving in the second half of their time here?

Iíd rather have him in charge than Martinez. Canít think of much worse than Koeman spending our money again either. He didnít give a fuck about value. Just wanted what he wanted
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 07:15:12 PM
So you're implying Walcott and Tosun will have a bigger impact on our future than Sigurdsson, Pickford, Lookman, Vlasic, Keane, Gueye? Yes there were some dodgy signings, but really!!?

I think itís more about we signed 2 players for their proper value rather than just threw money at it. Thereís 2 or 3 who might do very well. The big signings under Koeman though were just shite barring Pickford.

Iíd much prefer allardyce spend our money than Koeman

Again itís not a defence of him. Itís all been shite. Just think heís getting much of everyone elseís blame

This shit season was set in motion months before he arrived
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 23, 2018, 07:27:06 PM
I think itís more about we signed 2 players for their proper value rather than just threw money at it. Thereís 2 or 3 who might do very well. The big signings under Koeman though were just shite barring Pickford.

Iíd much prefer allardyce spend our money than Koeman

Again itís not a defence of him. Itís all been shite. Just think heís getting much of everyone elseís blame

This shit season was set in motion months before he arrived

Ok, you've made that point repeatedly.

Back to the point we were talking about, which you haven't addressed.

Don't you find his attitude and general disregard to be distasteful?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 07:35:46 PM
Ok, you've made that point repeatedly.

Back to the point we were talking about, which you haven't addressed.

Don't you find his attitude and general disregard to be distasteful?

Absolutely heís shit with criticism. He should rise above it. I do also think people who have called him names from day 1 shouldnít rewrite history and claim they were behind him or be so precious about his attitude. Suggesting the gravy guzzling fat headed greedy bastard who you hope is attacked doesnít have enough respect is more than a touch ironic
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 23, 2018, 07:39:07 PM
Absolutely heís shit with criticism. He should rise above it. I do also think people who have called him names from day 1 shouldnít rewrite history and claim they were behind him or be so precious about his attitude. Suggesting the gravy guzzling fat headed greedy bastard who you hope is attacked doesnít have enough respect is more than a touch ironic

I've could be wrong, but I don't think I've gone in for the gravy-related, Fat Sam stuff at any point. I've just criticised his management of the club and his appalling attitude towards...well, everything.

No doubt you could probably dig up something from somewhere, if you looked hard enough. I'm not an angel and I'm not beneath a low blow occasionally. The 'hope he is attacked' bit was an exaggeration borne out of frustration. I'd like to think you realise I don't actually want him to be attacked, based on what I generally say about stuff on the forum.

So in effect you're just defending him because you find massive waves of the same opinion boring, and you're a natural contrarian that enjoys being in the minority? (which is fine by the way, and I do that sometimes too, but let's say it for what it is)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 23, 2018, 08:01:18 PM
I think itís more about we signed 2 players for their proper value rather than just threw money at it. Thereís 2 or 3 who might do very well. The big signings under Koeman though were just shite barring Pickford.

Iíd much prefer allardyce spend our money than Koeman

Again itís not a defence of him. Itís all been shite. Just think heís getting much of everyone elseís blame

This shit season was set in motion months before he arrived

What difference does the value have? Its about the players that are available and the price the club is willing to pay, Koeman didnt sign the cheques so cant be blamed for that. I get what you're saying but I dont see the relevance as id rather have Sigurdson as a player over Walcott, thats how I measure it.
The season was a right off when we didnt replace Rom
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 08:04:23 PM
I've could be wrong, but I don't think I've gone in for the gravy-related, Fat Sam stuff at any point. I've just criticised his management of the club and his appalling attitude towards...well, everything.

No doubt you could probably dig up something from somewhere, if you looked hard enough. I'm not an angel and I'm not beneath a low blow occasionally. The 'hope he is attacked' bit was an exaggeration borne out of frustration. I'd like to think you realise I don't actually want him to be attacked, based on what I generally say about stuff on the forum.

So in effect you're just defending him because you find massive waves of the same opinion boring, and you're a natural contrarian that enjoys being in the minority? (which is fine by the way, and I do that sometimes too, but let's say it for what it is)

Didnít mean you in particular. Itís been a popular theme. Heís been shit. Heís argumentive. We want better. Our season has been dreadful. 6 months time he wonít be here. Heís done no lasting damage. Taken less out than the last 2. I genuinely donít get why people are so upset
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 08:05:51 PM
I've could be wrong, but I don't think I've gone in for the gravy-related, Fat Sam stuff at any point. I've just criticised his management of the club and his appalling attitude towards...well, everything.

No doubt you could probably dig up something from somewhere, if you looked hard enough. I'm not an angel and I'm not beneath a low blow occasionally. The 'hope he is attacked' bit was an exaggeration borne out of frustration. I'd like to think you realise I don't actually want him to be attacked, based on what I generally say about stuff on the forum.

So in effect you're just defending him because you find massive waves of the same opinion boring, and you're a natural contrarian that enjoys being in the minority? (which is fine by the way, and I do that sometimes too, but let's say it for what it is)

Iím actually not defending him. Iím actually agreeing with the points people make but struggle to see why that makes everyone so upset. Better than Martinez surely isnít seen as a defence is it
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gash on April 23, 2018, 08:11:30 PM
A nice toxic atmosphere tonight and some ironic chants (Newcastle fans sang it the game he was sacked) of "you don't know what you're doing" should get the message across to Moshiri.  :)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gash on April 23, 2018, 08:23:35 PM
He keeps trying to compare league position to West Brom and Ham as well, saying look at where we were in relation to them when he took over, we're where we are due to them being shitter, not because he's done a good job. He's made a career out of lowering expectations. Newcastle, despite little or no money to spend can go above us tonight. We're 9th in spite of Allardyce, not because of him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: everton1952 on April 23, 2018, 09:17:15 PM
A damn good enjoyable debate this, with a lot of very good sensible points being made on all sides.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: kramer0 on April 23, 2018, 09:32:22 PM
I've seen some usually-accurate ITKs suggest that Unsworth and some of the other former players we employ have as much to do with the bad atmosphere at the club as Allardyce and his people. Just something to think about in all of this. Allardyce is mediocre at best and should absolutely be replaced but swapping him for a talented new manager isn't necessarily a cure-all for our problems. I don't think it's too much of a leap to suggest that our issues run deeper than the manager.

If Brands is the new director of football, I hope he's tasked with looking at everything we do footballing-wise (as he should be), not just the first team. There's a lot that needs re-thinking.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 23, 2018, 09:34:54 PM
I've seen some usually-accurate ITKs suggest that Unsworth and some of the other former players we employ have as much to do with the bad atmosphere at the club as Allardyce and his people. Just something to think about in all of this. Allardyce is mediocre at best and should absolutely be replaced but swapping him for a talented new manager isn't necessarily a cure-all for our problems. I don't think it's too much of a leap to suggest that our issues run deeper than the manager.

If Brands is the new director of football, I hope he's tasked with looking at everything we do footballing-wise, not just the first team. There's a lot that needs re-thinking.

I heard the same thing re; Unsworth during Koeman and now Allardyce's time at the club, that he wasn't speaking to either of them.

Maybe something in that then.

Weren't we meant to be revisiting our Youth Setup anyway, when that American guy left last year? Not much has been said/done since; maybe that will be part of Brands remit and why we haven't announced anything yet.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 23, 2018, 09:44:40 PM
Probably wouldn't take a lot to have a falling out of an u23's manager and the first team manager. A criticism of one of the players and how he is being coached etc.
Back to the comparisons with SA and martinez/koeman..the pro SA supporters are comparing the times Martinez and koeman were failing toward the end of their tenure. Their initial results in their first term were a million times better than SA has been.
Given another year under fat twat I'm certain we would be swimming in the pig shit with the other relegation fodder just the way Sam likes it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toddacelli on April 23, 2018, 10:12:43 PM

The season was a right off when we didnt replace Rom

This isn't repeated often enough these days. It was at the start of the season but that sems a lifetime ago now!

We had all the time in the world to sort it out too - we knew the 2-3 years he was due to go at any point.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 23, 2018, 10:17:43 PM
Failure to bring in a striker and left back by Walsh was far worse than the iffy signings that he DID make
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 10:19:00 PM
Iím actually not defending him. Iím actually agreeing with the points people make but struggle to see why that makes everyone so upset. Better than Martinez surely isnít seen as a defence is it

If you can't fathom why such a smug and disrespectful character might be disliked then it says more about you than it does the rest on here. However I suspect you know exactly what the situation is but being contrary seems to your default position on the subject now so you're sticking to it, either for your own amusement or to save face.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 23, 2018, 10:26:21 PM
Hmmn....spend an evening talking about football with Martinez or fat Sam.....

Did Martinez not get us enough points in his first season that in any other season would have been enough for champions league qualification?
You really think fat twat could get us even close to that? Martinez had his faults and they were big. But he was confident in what he and the club could achieve. Fat twat came in and said "we need to be more boring" !!!!!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 10:46:44 PM
If you can't fathom why such a smug and disrespectful character might be disliked then it says more about you than it does the rest on here. However I suspect you know exactly what the situation is but being contrary seems to your default position on the subject now so you're sticking to it, either for your own amusement or to save face.

Disliked yes but itís utter rage. Each to their own but personally I dislike Koeman and Martinez more. As managers and as people
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 10:47:38 PM
Disliked yes but it’s utter rage. Each to their own but personally I dislike Koeman and Martinez more. As managers and as people

Clearly a WUM.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 23, 2018, 10:49:24 PM
https://twitter.com/ClubLegendsUK/status/988344293042638848?s=19
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 10:51:58 PM
Clearly a WUM.

Because I donít hate him call him names and hope heís attacked. Yeah clearly I must be on the wind up. Thatís the only explanation
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 23, 2018, 10:52:17 PM
Probably wouldn't take a lot to have a falling out of an u23's manager and the first team manager. A criticism of one of the players and how he is being coached etc.
Back to the comparisons with SA and martinez/koeman..the pro SA supporters are comparing the times Martinez and koeman were failing toward the end of their tenure. Their initial results in their first term were a million times better than SA has been.
Given another year under fat twat I'm certain we would be swimming in the pig shit with the other relegation fodder just the way Sam likes it.

you can't really think anyone with a fucking clue about football will agree with this hell I bet you don't

after bobby big balls 1 season (and even part of that ) it has all been going down hill for what 3 1/2 years

we get it you hate SAM but ffs don't come up with crap like that when you no you will get pulled on it
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 23, 2018, 10:52:38 PM
https://twitter.com/ClubLegendsUK/status/988344293042638848?s=19

Is it me but the one in the hooped top looks a bit like Tim Cahill.

I never want us to lose but if it accelerates Allardyces departure, then I can live with it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 10:59:56 PM
Because I don’t hate him call him names and hope he’s attacked. Yeah clearly I must be on the wind up. That’s the only explanation

You dislike Roberto Martinez both as a man and a manager more than Sam Allardyce? One is respectful and courteous if a little unhinged when it comes to the football side and the other is a smug, arrogant man who disrespects most clubs he's been at and has an ego the size of his fat head. Admittedly he's been a manager a long time so you could argue he's been a success based on longevity but let's not try and reframe reality just so you can try and prove a point. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 23, 2018, 11:34:23 PM
You dislike Roberto Martinez both as a man and a manager more than Sam Allardyce? One is respectful and courteous if a little unhinged when it comes to the football side and the other is a smug, arrogant man who disrespects most clubs he's been at and has an ego the size of his fat head. Admittedly he's been a manager a long time so you could argue he's been a success based on longevity but let's not try and reframe reality just so you can try and prove a point. 

Martinez absolutely took the piss out of us. When we finished 5th he told us all it wasnít good enough for the mighty Everton and we loved him for it. Then it all turned to shit and he told us about being the last English side in Europe (on account of us playing on a Thursday) about our great European adventure despite being humiliated. Blamed Europe for our league form. Insisted we were playing well every week despite it being obvious we werenít

He was a snake oil saleman and not a very good 1. Just talked utter nonsense to distract from the fact that he was clueless.

His bullshit was 100 times worse than allardyces and for me he would have done serious damage to our club had he been allowed to continue

Good old Bobby though. He told us what we wanted to here when we were good
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 23, 2018, 11:36:30 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-david-unsworth-setting-14566800
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 11:37:33 PM
Martinez absolutely took the piss out of us. When we finished 5th he told us all it wasnít good enough for the mighty Everton and we loved him for it. Then it all turned to shit and he told us about being the last English side in Europe (on account of us playing on a Thursday) about our great European adventure despite being humiliated. Blamed Europe for our league form. Insisted we were playing well every week despite it being obvious we werenít

He was a snake oil saleman and not a very good 1. Just talked utter nonsense to distract from the fact that he was clueless.

His bullshit was 100 times worse than allardyces and for me he would have done serious damage to our club had he been allowed to continue

Good old Bobby though. He told us what we wanted to here when we were good

You're arguing a different point.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 23, 2018, 11:40:32 PM
I guess these arguments could go on even after Donald Trump plunges us back into the dark ages with some red button pressing.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 23, 2018, 11:58:35 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-david-unsworth-setting-14566800

The fact that thereís an argument over 3 more points or not surely says enough.

Much like the furore re the survey. His supporters assume that it was going to be bad, which tells itís own story.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Gash on April 24, 2018, 12:03:30 AM
Ah good, we've gone full circle back to the 'snake oil salesman'. Remember though lads, no calling Allardyce names now.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 24, 2018, 12:14:17 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/27/sam-allardyce-loses-job-as-england-manager-after-telegraph-inves/

He lost the England job because he thought he was above the rules and hopefully, he won't be in this job much longer.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 24, 2018, 03:52:54 AM
As of someone is trying to defend Sam Allardyceís character lolol
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: School of Science on April 24, 2018, 04:05:39 AM
Haha embarrassing question for Theo there, what is the difference between Arsene Wenger and Sam Allardyce Theo ?. Two different kind of Levels mumbles Theo.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 04:19:04 AM
Lol...that happened?..haha
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 24, 2018, 04:24:03 AM
What do you need to do to win over the fans? Question from Geoff Shreeves to Allardyce.

I would suggest handing in your resignation.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 24, 2018, 04:37:02 AM
What do you need to do to win over the fans? Question from Geoff Shreeves to Allardyce.

I would suggest handing in your resignation.

What was his answer?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: fubarruk on April 24, 2018, 04:37:42 AM
What was his answer?
Keep doing what I'm doing
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: boothill on April 24, 2018, 04:51:09 AM
Basically do what he always does. One thing I don't understand is the love and respect a lot of the media have for him, he's done nothing at all to justify it.

Sickens me to think that we are now known as just another team who Allardyce rescued and kept up, along with Sunderland and West Ham
i remember an interview he done in the 90s, he stated he gives the media some titbits and they will look after him later on
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 24, 2018, 05:10:20 AM
You know the way people go 'I don't care how we play as long as we get the result'

Well, do people still feel that way?

Because I find wins like this so utterly depressing and I'd rather see some progressive football in a 1-1 draw than what I watched tonight.

Fuck this. There's absolutely no joy to be taking from such dross football.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 24, 2018, 05:13:34 AM
You know the way people go 'I don't care how we play as long as we get the result'

Well, do people still feel that way?

Because I find wins like this so utterly depressing and I'd rather see some progressive football in a 1-1 draw than what I watched tonight.

Fuck this. There's absolutely no joy to be taking from such dross football.

We are 8th though. I donít care but I do mean it has to lead to something. Winning enough games to finish 8th playing like this is pretty joyless. If we were 4th though and talking about making progress by signing champions league players in the summer then no I wouldnít care less that we play shit football

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 24, 2018, 05:16:14 AM
One shot on target against Newcastle at home. Fuck this shit.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: howard1334 on April 24, 2018, 05:24:52 AM
Martinez absolutely took the piss out of us. When we finished 5th he told us all it wasnít good enough for the mighty Everton and we loved him for it. Then it all turned to shit and he told us about being the last English side in Europe (on account of us playing on a Thursday) about our great European adventure despite being humiliated. Blamed Europe for our league form. Insisted we were playing well every week despite it being obvious we werenít

He was a snake oil saleman and not a very good 1. Just talked utter nonsense to distract from the fact that he was clueless.

His bullshit was 100 times worse than allardyces and for me he would have done serious damage to our club had he been allowed to continue

Good old Bobby though. He told us what we wanted to here when we were good

You should consider your own judgment of character if you can't see that Martinez is a significantly better human than Allardyce. Not a Martinez defender by any means, he needed to go and was delusional, but I don't think he is a fundamentally shit person, which Allardyce seems to pretty clearly be.

(Ross liked this before I edited to add my second sentence.)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on April 24, 2018, 05:28:46 AM
Utter defensive shit ....Good job Newcastle were shitter in the final third .. ...no mistake though Allardyce set up for a draw tonight two DM's at home again ffs....Rooney kept going too deep making it three (wether orders or just his way)...although he works his arse off Tosun was starved of service from Bolasie being shite most of the night only one good cross all game lost the ball way to often .

We were lucky in reality .


Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 24, 2018, 05:29:17 AM
You should consider your own judgment of character if you can't see the that Martinez is a significantly better human than Allardyce. Not a Martinez defender by any means, he needed to go and was delusional, but I don't think he was a fundamentally shit person, which Allardyce seems to pretty clearly be.

(Ross like this before I edied to add my second sentence; might not have liked it originally, haha.)

*sakes fist at edit but largely agress*
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blueToffee on April 24, 2018, 05:33:00 AM
We are 8th though. I donít care but I do mean it has to lead to something. Winning enough games to finish 8th playing like this is pretty joyless. If we were 4th though and talking about making progress by signing champions league players in the summer then no I wouldnít care less that we play shit football



Great results paper over lots of things. If we finished top 4 grinding out wins a lot of the time, or maybe not playing well but getting late goals a tiny bit like in the season we finished 4th with Moyes then I think short term people would be happy with that. I don't particularly like the way Atletico play but I suppose that'd be the blueprint of winning in a defensive way that gets you in contention with the big boys.

It's when you're being unentertaining and sat squarely in mid table that it all seems a bit drab.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: howard1334 on April 24, 2018, 05:34:35 AM
More of Allardyce's pettiness on display here: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-david-unsworth-setting-14566800
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 24, 2018, 05:47:43 AM
I thought SA was quite subdued in his post-match interview tonight. Almost as if he knows something.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 24, 2018, 05:53:18 AM
I thought SA was quite subdued in his post-match interview tonight. Almost as if he knows something.

Ooh, Alan, you old tease 💃🏼
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: everton1952 on April 24, 2018, 06:58:24 AM
He knows it is inevitable that he is going, but he is treading water until he is told so. We know that we will never attract decent players to come here for next season if he stays on for his final year.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 24, 2018, 08:52:48 AM
Just curious, if West Ham had beaten us that night would that fat cunt be saying it was because of his appearance as the next Everton manager or would that have been Rhinos fault? Yes I thought so.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Trublue on April 24, 2018, 09:44:44 AM
I can actually understand,  him being upset about being under pressure. He was given the remit to get us out of trouble and look for a top half finish. Which he looks like he's achieved. Only two of his players are his signings ( only two with pace). But this is Everton,  you're not only expected to win, you're expected to win well.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 24, 2018, 11:56:43 AM
You should consider your own judgment of character if you can't see that Martinez is a significantly better human than Allardyce. Not a Martinez defender by any means, he needed to go and was delusional, but I don't think he was a fundamentally shit person, which Allardyce seems to pretty clearly be.

(Ross liked this before I edited to add my second sentence.)

I really only mean in his dealings with Everton.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Goaljira on April 24, 2018, 01:04:49 PM
We are 8th though. I donít care but I do mean it has to lead to something. Winning enough games to finish 8th playing like this is pretty joyless. If we were 4th though and talking about making progress by signing champions league players in the summer then no I wouldnít care less that we play shit football

We're 8th because the rest of the league below 6th is absolute dross, not because we've been any kind of quality.  We're 23 points off 4th, and Spurs have a game in hand.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on April 24, 2018, 01:32:00 PM
I can actually understand,  him being upset about being under pressure. He was given the remit to get us out of trouble and look for a top half finish. Which he looks like he's achieved. Only two of his players are his signings ( only two with pace). But this is Everton,  you're not only expected to win, you're expected to win well.

not true, I expect him not to be so negative, not to lower expectations game on game, that ESPN article nailed it, he was brought in in November this was his chance to prove he's not a footballing fossil. He's failed spectacularly and is throwing everyone under the bus that he can because he's just not good enough.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 02:04:32 PM
Just the same old same old with team selection and tactics. No wonder why we have the least shots on goal than anyone in the prem except for Swansea (who must be catching us rapidly I would imagine) since he's been here.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 24, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
Utter defensive shit ....Good job Newcastle were shitter in the final third .. ...no mistake though Allardyce set up for a draw tonight two DM's at home again ffs....Rooney kept going too deep making it three (wether orders or just his way)...although he works his arse off Tosun was starved of service from Bolasie being shite most of the night only one good cross all game lost the ball way to often .

We were lucky in reality .




We weren't lucky as they were shite. It was just dire, horrible to watch and if we were sat a point above the relegation zone he'd be lauded for a professional performance which tells you everything about his methods and capability. He hasn't a clue how to manage a team with any expectations so he reverts to type. He's a perfect fit for a Stoke, not Everton.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: howard1334 on April 24, 2018, 03:19:38 PM
I can actually understand,  him being upset about being under pressure. He was given the remit to get us out of trouble and look for a top half finish. Which he looks like he's achieved. Only two of his players are his signings ( only two with pace). But this is Everton,  you're not only expected to win, you're expected to win well.

I have no empathy for him at all. First off, we were never in trouble though Allardyce likes to act as though relegation was imminent so he seems like more of a success. Some people might have thought so, including Moshiri I suppose, but many supporters realized there was no real threat of relegation. Second, we had a pretty decent opening to grab 7th and he did not seem interested in the slightest in taking it. Third, as you mentioned, our matches have been absolutely awful to watch under him -- like so awful that supporting Everton has become more of a chore than something I enjoy -- and we are averaging like two on-target shots/game. Fourth, it is not just about the results or performances on the pitch. He is so disliked and under pressure in large part because of the disrespect he shows others, his handling of players like Lookman and Klaassen, his general pettiness, and the fact that he comes across as a pretty shitty, self-obsessed person.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lazarou on April 24, 2018, 03:37:03 PM
I have never cared less than I do now under Sam Allardyce  took over the hot seat. Absolutely shite to watch, boring and horrible.

His results are impressive though.

(https://i.imgur.com/wsoM93T.jpg)

But the stats explain why I don't give a fuck about his results.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ejgtrnv.jpg)

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 24, 2018, 03:41:09 PM
I have never cared less than I do now Sam Allardyce  took over the hot seat. Absolutely shite to watch, boring and horrible.

His results are his impressive though.

(https://i.imgur.com/wsoM93T.jpg)

But the stats explain why I don't give a fuck about his results.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ejgtrnv.jpg)



Arsenal have changed their manager.

Chelsea will probably change their manager.

As results havenít been good enough.

Neither would even think of thinking of considering Allardyce.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 24, 2018, 03:49:14 PM
I have never cared less than I do now Sam Allardyce  took over the hot seat. Absolutely shite to watch, boring and horrible.

His results are his impressive though.

(https://i.imgur.com/wsoM93T.jpg)

But the stats explain why I don't give a fuck about his results.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ejgtrnv.jpg)



He's basically achieving about what is expected of a side that has spent the amount we have. Extrapolated over a normal season that's a 7th place finish, assuming Arsenal revert to type which is a lot better than us. 7th place playing awful football, antagonising the fanbase/his colleagues/players and anyone who doesn't bow down to his God-complex personality.
He should maybe be given acknowledgement for delivering par in terms of points. Everything else that comes with him is light years away from what we want or have set out to achieve and we should be looking for better. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lazarou on April 24, 2018, 03:55:35 PM
I have never cared less than I do now under Sam Allardyce  took over the hot seat. Absolutely shite to watch, boring and horrible.

His results are impressive though.

(https://i.imgur.com/wsoM93T.jpg)

But the stats explain why I don't give a fuck about his results.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ejgtrnv.jpg)

I am that mad I forgot to proof read my original post, so it actually made sense  ::)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 24, 2018, 04:21:38 PM
Don't know if this has been edited to make it look like it does but here goes anyway.

https://twitter.com/dave_seed/status/988544691573534721
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 24, 2018, 05:21:26 PM
Talksport are giving it the bifftas that Allardyce has saved the club and we have a cheek to be questioning his methods.

Why are we so passive as a set of supporters? Everyone fucking hates his brand of football and 99% cannot stand the crook on a personality level. Heís not Everton in any shape or form and Iím sick to fucking death of him, 3pts with one shot on target or not. Heís a joke and has to go.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 24, 2018, 05:40:03 PM
Talksport are giving it the bifftas that Allardyce has saved the club and we have a cheek to be questioning his methods.

Why are we so passive as a set of supporters? Everyone fucking hates his brand of football and 99% cannot stand the crook on a personality level. Heís not Everton in any shape or form and Iím sick to fucking death of him, 3pts with one shot on target or not. Heís a joke and has to go.

Jim White's just sticking up for his mate there, Dean Saunders was a lot worse earlier, literally said we should be grateful to have a manager like Allardyce at our club, he's about all we can attract
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 24, 2018, 05:47:53 PM
Is Jim White channeling Moshiriís thoughts again?

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 06:00:40 PM
Just get this torture over with. Can't believe I click on here and newsnow every half hour hoping to see some itk tweet or breaking news of this fucker leaving.
He said for 75 minutes he thought we were excellent...1 shot on target says it all really
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 24, 2018, 06:26:39 PM
I still think heís staying.

Moshiri seems like the type to be swayed by the RS loving media, and obviously we know their aganda behind bigging up Allardyce.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 24, 2018, 06:32:26 PM
Board meeting scheduled for Monday apparently
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Sir Stealth on April 24, 2018, 09:09:10 PM
This season has been so depressing

The board obviously panicked in choosing Allardyce. Koeman was bombing spectacularly at the start and I think it would have been a more risque appointment had Unsworth managed a few more wins as caretaker boss

As it was we didn't do that well under him either, so relegation savour specialist Allardyce was brought in

At the time I wasn't too overwhelmed by the appointment, but if I'm being honest I was a bit worried about a potential relegation. The Southampton away mauling was pretty scary. As it turns out we needn't have worried too much as this league is filled with some utter shite. That there are 12 teams worse than us is a total disgrace

In my mind though, with us already pretty much out of Europe and miles behind the chasing pack, I realised that this season was probably a write off and that we just needed to secure our premier league status and then reload in the summer.

Was I confident that Allardyce would help preserve our safety for another year?absolutely

How did I think he would do this?by tightening the defence, sacrificing possession most games and playing unattractive football to grind out wins

So with this in mind, he has done the job asked of him

What could have swayed a majority of the fan base to want him to stay?a top 6 finish, beating some of the top teams/winning a derby or 2/winning a trophy

And he's not managed to do any of this. So initial thoughts that I would probably want him gone were probably justified.

The team has no particular style, we don't play to the strengths of any of our players. We have quite an old average age in the starting line up

No young players have really been developed during Sam's time in charge.

Jordan Pickford is pretty much the only shining light in our season

Virtually none of the other new signings have impressed. Klaassen and Sandro totally discarded, Rooney looks sluggish, the pace of the modern game passes him by. Keane has been a massive disappointment, looks really clumsy, Tosun and Walcott have shown glimpses of talent but not consistently. Some of these things might improve, but they certainly haven't been too impressive under the Allardyce regime.

Allardyce has pretty much driven Lookman away it seems like and at every opportunity blamed the players for our failings rather than take any responsibility himself. The fans have turned against him and I just don't see who would benefit from him staying beyond this season
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 24, 2018, 09:24:18 PM
We're 8th because the rest of the league below 6th is absolute dross, not because we've been any kind of quality.  We're 23 points off 4th, and Spurs have a game in hand.



Thatís my point. We are playing shit and not getting positive results
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 09:41:06 PM
I swear if it comes out he has boards support for another season I'll be done. Football, films etc. They are there for entertainment. Watching what that fucktard has brought to the table is far from entertaining.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lazarou on April 24, 2018, 09:49:52 PM
I swear if it comes out he has boards support for another season I'll be done. Football, films etc. They are there for entertainment. Watching what that fucktard has brought to the table is far from entertaining.

I agree as a fan of anything, it needs to give you something back otherwise it is not entertainment. I have had to mentally disconnect from EFC this season something I have never done before, due to the massive underachievement of the club. The appointment of Allardyce was the crowning glory of this period of listless shite.

To be fair Goodison looked good under the lights last night, so that's something.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 09:51:59 PM
I think last night was a perfect example..a victory, 3 points, a rise up the league..But were you entertained? Was it money well spent?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 24, 2018, 09:53:26 PM
I agree as a fan of anything, it needs to give you something back otherwise it is not entertainment. I have had to mentally disconnect from EFC this season something I have never done before, due to the massive underachievement of the club. The appointment of Allardyce was the crowing glory of this period of listless shite.

To be fair Goodison looked good under the lights last night, so that's something.
Havent been since the first half of City at home and struggling to see me going again until August

If only Ian Ross had known that to get me to stay away all they had to do was appoint Allardyce we'd have had him a decade ago!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 09:54:48 PM
And don't get me wrong. I didn't spend a penny. I watched a crappy stream.
But I ask myself whether I would have preferred an absolute end to end, chances at both ends, talk about for years to come game even if we lost it.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 24, 2018, 10:02:07 PM
The wife, bless her, thought she was doing me a favour last night, disappearing upstairs to watch Netflix in bed. She was wrong. So, so wrong.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 10:07:46 PM
Can't imagine too Many 2017/18 dvds being sold.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 10:09:12 PM
Make the gunts on talk sport watch it and then tell us to stop fucking moaning and how lucky we are.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 10:50:33 PM
I see ossie has come out and said about needing to be entertained as well as results. Think it was radio 5
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 24, 2018, 10:52:47 PM
Don't know how valid this is but here it is anyway.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/writing-is-on-the-wall-for-big-sam-after-moshiri-summons/
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 24, 2018, 11:02:17 PM
The Moody Blues sing "Go Now"............................. .......
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 24, 2018, 11:50:15 PM
I know it still early but the absence of a decision over Allardyce is making me edgy. Surely he's got to go and soon? The Echo story about him and Walsh looking at the South American markets for players just adds to it as he still thinks he'll be here next season..
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 25, 2018, 12:03:56 AM
Don't know how valid this is but here it is anyway.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/writing-is-on-the-wall-for-big-sam-after-moshiri-summons/
Yeah been all over a few forums that
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 25, 2018, 12:19:11 AM
Yeah been all over a few forums that

In the article I posted yesterday about his sacking from the England job, it said he was summoned to a meeting with his bosses and I really hope it is true and that he gets told on Thursday that his job is done and we are moving in a different direction.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2018, 12:49:00 AM
Why summon him to London ? Mosh was there last night. Could have got Dunc to stand behind him and look menacing  ,unless he's for the chop as well.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 25, 2018, 12:55:24 AM
Long taxi ride - one way or return?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 25, 2018, 12:59:27 AM
Can anyone photo shop that pic where Dunc has Stefan freund by the the neck and put sams face instead of freunds.. be great that would
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Polledreng on April 25, 2018, 01:07:35 AM
Can anyone photo shop that pic where Dunc has Stefan freund by the the neck and put sams face instead of freunds.. be great that would
my son used to have it as his profile picture on Facebook. He changed it to a picture of Gary Speed when he sadly passed away Think he would consider bringing it back if Big Sam was part of the picture
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on April 25, 2018, 01:10:50 AM
Why summon him to London ? Mosh was there last night. Could have got Dunc to stand behind him and look menacing  ,unless he's for the chop as well.
Big Dunc looked pretty pissed off last night ,it could very well be on the cards.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 25, 2018, 01:39:59 AM
Done
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 25, 2018, 03:00:52 AM
Horrible
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Goaljira on April 25, 2018, 04:05:44 AM
Awww man, I already got a bollocking from the wife this morning for her believing I'm more excited for Infinity War than I was for our wedding, but Allardyce getting sacked in the morning and Infinity War in the evening would possibly be enough to tip the balance in Thursdays favour!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 25, 2018, 02:04:23 PM
Do we think he will go before the season ends?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 25, 2018, 02:19:54 PM
Do we think he will go before the season ends?

Noises from the echo suggest he's staying on for another season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 25, 2018, 02:23:38 PM
A lot of reporters suggesting he will be allowed to see out his contract
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ramjam on April 25, 2018, 02:27:06 PM
A lot of reporters suggesting he will be allowed to see out his contract
If thatís the case Moshiri isnít as proactive about taking the club forward as we initially anticipated
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 25, 2018, 02:29:03 PM
If thatís the case Moshiri isnít as proactive about taking the club forward as we initially anticipated

Yep, it shows a massive lack of ambition. Just got to hope the rumours are false
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toddacelli on April 25, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
You know the way people go 'I don't care how we play as long as we get the result'

Well, do people still feel that way?

Because I find wins like this so utterly depressing and I'd rather see some progressive football in a 1-1 draw than what I watched tonight.

Fuck this. There's absolutely no joy to be taking from such dross football.

I genuinely can't bear to watch us at the moment. It's soul-destroying.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 25, 2018, 02:38:38 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/989041345334521856

Fuck that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 25, 2018, 02:38:57 PM
Yep, it shows a massive lack of ambition. Just got to hope the rumours are false
If they're not and he does stay home thats next season a right off as far as im concerned and all Moshiris talk counts for nothing
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 25, 2018, 02:40:13 PM
Shame there wasn't the mass anti-sam chants echoing around footie in the other night.
Wow...another allardyce term..my anger (if true) turns to moshiri.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 25, 2018, 02:44:05 PM
To think he was willing to pay around £15 million for silva and also wanted Fonseca and now both of them are out of contract and free to hire and he wants to blow that opportunity to give allardyce 12 more months.....why !!!!!!!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 25, 2018, 02:44:24 PM
Only initial reports so far and there's nothing concrete so he could still go.

However, I'am surprised at how much faith people have, or had, in Moshiri.

He's the man who hired Allardyce, why would he get rid when he's dones a reasonably decent job.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 25, 2018, 02:47:58 PM
Reading that article makes it sound like when his term is up it's important to get a guy in who manages exactly the same as fat cunt so as not to swap the players around too much (playing style,tactics wise)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on April 25, 2018, 02:50:00 PM
Cannot be true surely
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 25, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
Only initial reports so far and there's nothing concrete so he could still go.

However, I'am surprised at how much faith people have, or had, in Moshiri.

He's the man who hired Allardyce, why would he get rid when he's dones a reasonably decent job.

Because he had no interest in SA at the time as was willing to pay a lot for the young, modern day manager he wanted.
SA was brought in by his own admission just to keep us up. There's no reason why he should want or be given another year if we want more than to stay in the premiership.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 25, 2018, 02:53:13 PM
As far as I'm concerned he blew the chance of taking us further up the league. Even when we were 2 points off Burnley for 7th he harped on about relegation.
There's not a soul out there, even the media who keep bigging him up,  who actually believes he could make an assault on the top 6.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 25, 2018, 02:54:45 PM
Suppose this will be us if the dinosaur stays for another season.

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Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 25, 2018, 03:20:11 PM
Collectively as fans we are absolute fucking cowards. Not one fan Iíve spoken to wants him near the club yet weíre afraid of a bit of ďkopite behaviourĒ to make our voices heard. Itís pathetic.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 25, 2018, 03:28:47 PM
Collectively as fans we are absolute fucking cowards. Not one fan Iíve spoken to wants him near the club yet weíre afraid of a bit of ďkopite behaviourĒ to make our voices heard. Itís pathetic.

Correct

Didn't hear or see any of the so called planned protest on Monday, just one banner.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 25, 2018, 03:36:43 PM
We've made our feelings known through the survey though.

It shouldn't need any form of protest for the board to know how the fans feel.

If news comes in that he's staying next season then I think Goodison could start to get volatile.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 25, 2018, 03:37:29 PM
Fuck that, can't stand another match of Allardyce let alone a whole season!

He's probably already planned out next seasons points total target:

v Top 6, say 2 draws at home - 2 points

v rest at home, 10 wins, 3 draws - 33 points

v rest away, 2 wins, 4 draws - 10 points

45 points in total, relegation avoided, job done

 :wanker:
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 25, 2018, 03:40:03 PM
Collectively as fans we are absolute fucking cowards. Not one fan Iíve spoken to wants him near the club yet weíre afraid of a bit of ďkopite behaviourĒ to make our voices heard. Itís pathetic.

Personally id love a bit of kopite behaviour at Goodison, the atmosphere at their games is 100 times what it is at Goodison, granted they have a little more to shout about but we must have the quietest, moanyest fans in the league. Against Newcastle I thought id pressed the mute button it was so bad
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 25, 2018, 03:40:30 PM
We've made our feelings known through the survey though.

It shouldn't need any form of protest for the board to know how the fans feel.

If news comes in that he's staying next season then I think Goodison could start to get volatile.

Either that or it will be empty.

As was posted earlier, Moshiri's alleged targets are either available or soon to be available and he appears to be dithering again.

Every other team is moving forward and we are standing still.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 25, 2018, 03:43:14 PM
Personally id love a bit of kopite behaviour at Goodison, the atmosphere at their games is 100 times what it is at Goodison, granted they have a little more to shout about but we must have the quietest, moanyest fans in the league. Against Newcastle I thought id pressed the mute button it was so bad

What do you expect against Newcastle in a complete dead rubber of a game where we have one shot on target?

Anfield is just the same for those type of games.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 25, 2018, 03:45:10 PM
What do you expect against Newcastle in a complete dead rubber of a game where we have one shot on target?

Anfield is just the same for those type of games.

I appreciate that, but Newcastle wasnt the exception, its the norm.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 25, 2018, 03:45:40 PM
Its probably the biggest decision Moshiri will have to make since he came to the club, stick with Allardyce and lose what little respect he still has off the fans, or stick to your word, bin him and get a younger more dynamic manager in who will take us forward.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2018, 03:57:24 PM
Lots of sources are convinced Brands is coming in but as yet nothing official. Tomorrow is reportedly the big  meeting in London and I think we'll get a double announcement at the end of the day .Brands in , Sam & co. out.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 25, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
Lots of sources are convinced Brands is coming in but as yet nothing official. Tomorrow is reportedly the big  meeting in London and I think we'll get a double announcement at the end of the day .Brands in , Sam & co. out.

Fingers and toes crossed!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on April 25, 2018, 04:11:48 PM
What do you expect against Newcastle in a complete dead rubber of a game where we have one shot on target?

Anfield is just the same for those type of games.

For me itís worse.

They have their big orchestrated self congratulatory show of arenít we all great everyone loves us, then they shut the fuck up while tourists take photies for 90 mins.

Yes, if theyíre on their way to winning the league or the CL then theyíre bouncing and when that happens theyíre able to generate great atmospheres, but what dya think anywhere would be like if they were 5-0 up in the CL semis??

Our games even when weíre shite itís still full of Everton fans watching the game, not people on day trips for memorabilia.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 25, 2018, 04:53:13 PM
That was a massive opportunity lost against Newcastle from the fans. Had moshiri stood there and heard 30k chants of 'allardyce out' I don't think he would be considering another 12 months. As it was it was quiet and backed up SA theory of it being just a small minority of fans with the problem.
Its soul destroying to imagine the likes of fonseca being snapped up on a free whilst keeping this bellend.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 25, 2018, 04:59:18 PM
That was a massive opportunity lost against Newcastle from the fans. Had moshiri stood there and heard 30k chants of 'allardyce out' I don't think he would be considering another 12 months. As it was it was quiet and backed up SA theory of it being just a small minority of fans with the problem.
Its soul destroying to imagine the likes of fonseca being snapped up on a free whilst keeping this bellend.


If Moshiri is interested in the fans opinions on Allardyce all heís got to do is call Kenyon and ask for the results of last weeks survey.

As it is I doubt anyone in any real position of power and influence at Everton has bothered to look at them, itís easier that way.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 25, 2018, 05:03:30 PM
I think he will bow to the media circus that can't understand why he WOULDNT get another 12 months
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 25, 2018, 06:48:03 PM
Only initial reports so far and there's nothing concrete so he could still go.

However, I'am surprised at how much faith people have, or had, in Moshiri.

He's the man who hired Allardyce, why would he get rid when he's dones a reasonably decent job.

The echo report isnít based on anything, itís written from a point of not knowing either way.

Re getting shut, Moshiri fired Koeman after him doing a better job than Allardyce for a whole season only 5 months previously and he was someone who Moshiri really wanted.

Thereís more evidence than not that heíd sack him.

Allardyce issued a back me or sack me claim last week and there havenít been ringing endorsements from board level following that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 25, 2018, 07:45:06 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/989041345334521856

Fuck that.

So a tweet from the Echo that says absolutely fuck all apart from it uses up a bit of GOK's time and makes his employers aware he's actually attempting to do some work.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2018, 07:53:03 PM
'' It remains distinctly possible '' that GOK doesn't know any more than the man in the street.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on April 25, 2018, 07:54:00 PM
If Moshiri is interested in the fans opinions on Allardyce all heís got to do is call Kenyon and ask for the results of last weeks survey.

As it is I doubt anyone in any real position of power and influence at Everton has bothered to look at them, itís easier that way.
Having been instigated last year and this by the club it is hard to see how " anyone in any real position of power and influence at Everton has bothered to look at them" could possibly be true .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 25, 2018, 07:58:51 PM
Itís possible given the overhaul this summer in other areas of the club - namely the DOF and other exec positions - that the reasoned view is that thereís benefit in maintaining stability in the manager.

Imagine the immediate power grab/uncertainty if you start a new DOF and manager at the same time. Like we had more or less last time.

Think itís beneficial to have one settled at least for a while before you change the other.

Not saying this means SA should say, just posing a not-crazy idea which could be influencing Moshiris thinking.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 25, 2018, 08:03:28 PM
It’s possible given the overhaul this summer in other areas of the club - namely the DOF and other exec positions - that the reasoned view is that there’s benefit in maintaining stability in the manager.

Imagine the immediate power grab/uncertainty if you start a new DOF and manager at the same time. Like we had more or less last time.

Think it’s beneficial to have one settled at least for a while before you change the other.

Not saying this means SA should say, just posing a not-crazy idea which could be influencing Moshiris thinking.

There is some logic in that however if we're attempting to keep Walsh on to work with Brands then that should be just enough knowledge and stability to stop the shitshow that you outlined from potentially happening. However this is the new Everton so I've no idea if it will.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ih8redshite on April 25, 2018, 08:10:20 PM
We should go all out for Wenger, heís admitted today it wasnít his decision to leave Arsenal.  He wants to carry on working, he would be the perfect fit for us and possibly will link to the rumours that USM will be joining the board in the summer
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 25, 2018, 08:16:20 PM
We should go all out for Wenger, he’s admitted today it wasn’t his decision to leave Arsenal.  He wants to carry on working, he would be the perfect fit for us and possibly will link to the rumours that USM will be joining the board in the summer
....................I'm just a year or two younger than Wenger so I can say ,with impunity ,he's too old for us. Not too old to manage but too old to do a rebuild.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 25, 2018, 08:19:23 PM
Wenger with Arteta; Arteta to take over after 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 25, 2018, 08:33:15 PM
Wenger with Arteta; Arteta to take over after 2 seasons.

Swoon  :blush:
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 25, 2018, 08:46:28 PM
Id prefer Ralf Rangnick with Arteta, think Rangnick would transform the whole clubs philosophy and enforce and attacking style of play
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 25, 2018, 09:11:58 PM
We should go all out for Wenger, heís admitted today it wasnít his decision to leave Arsenal.  He wants to carry on working, he would be the perfect fit for us and possibly will link to the rumours that USM will be joining the board in the summer

No way he's managing another Prem club imo.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 25, 2018, 09:56:04 PM
We should go all out for Wenger, he’s admitted today it wasn’t his decision to leave Arsenal.  He wants to carry on working, he would be the perfect fit for us and possibly will link to the rumours that USM will be joining the board in the summer

He's looked a broken man the past 18 months and I'm not so sure he'd be able to replicate his earlier success again. His failure to identify his quite obvious failings for the past half a dozen years and his very patchy record in the transfer market over that time means I don't think he's right for us. We want energy, new ideas, someone to get behind. I don't see Wenger being that man. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: D15TIN on April 25, 2018, 10:12:24 PM
We should go all out for Wenger, he’s admitted today it wasn’t his decision to leave Arsenal.  He wants to carry on working, he would be the perfect fit for us and possibly will link to the rumours that USM will be joining the board in the summer
Don't think I'd want him really, he's too old and I'd question his transfer policy the last few years.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toddacelli on April 25, 2018, 10:19:51 PM
He's looked a broken man the past 18 months and I'm not so sure he'd be able to replicate his earlier success again. His failure to identify his quite obvious failings for the past half a dozen years and his very patchy record in the transfer market over that time means I don't think he's right for us. We want energy, new ideas, someone to get behind. I don't see Wenger being that man. 

Great PL manager in his day, but he had that day with Arsenal many years ago now.

Time to retire with dignity.

Some of those German clubs seem to have a real strong identity and purpose - I would love someone to come to Everton who could do that for us from top to bottom and make the club his own. Had hopes for Koeman on that score. For about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: milky71 on April 25, 2018, 10:39:32 PM
Is Marco Silva still an option for people
Title: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: kramer0 on April 25, 2018, 10:58:52 PM
Is Marco Silva still an option for people

If he's not being considered, it's more evidence of the shortsightedness and lack of planning coming from the board.

It should take more than a downturn in results to go from "please, we'll pay anythingĒ to "no thanksĒ in half a season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: milky71 on April 25, 2018, 11:00:55 PM
should have been after the Arsenal game
No point in keeping Allardyce just pay him to go and get Marco in now to assess squad imo
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 25, 2018, 11:05:25 PM
Is Marco Silva still an option for people

Yep. You'll get a few comparing him lazily to Martinez, because they both come from the Iberian peninsula. But I'd absolutely still consider him. Talented fella.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 25, 2018, 11:32:35 PM
Yep. You'll get a few comparing him lazily to Martinez, because they both come from the Iberian peninsula. But I'd absolutely still consider him. Talented fella.
The season only went sour for him after we turned his head. Think given time and funds we could be an exciting team under him.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 25, 2018, 11:34:59 PM
This is defo a case of no news is bad news. I wake each day hoping to see the headline.. The nightmare is that he'll get another season.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 26, 2018, 12:02:48 AM
Having been instigated last year and this by the club it is hard to see how " anyone in any real position of power and influence at Everton has bothered to look at them" could possibly be true .

Itís like somebody accidentally ordering a box of dogshit off amazon by mistake and when it gets delivered them asking you if you want to open it up and look at it.

Why would you open the box? You know whatís inside is toxic and will cause a stink thereís no point opening it up just to find out is there?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 26, 2018, 12:49:22 AM
Brands in to replace Walsh, someone exciting like fonseca in to replace fat head, some images of the new stadium and moshiri confirming major investment in the summer as well as a big clear out of dead wood. That would make me forget all about this season and have me all excited again through the summer.
Keep that cunt, and I'll be a broken man.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 26, 2018, 01:18:59 AM
This is defo a case of no news is bad news. I wake each day hoping to see the headline.. The nightmare is that he'll get another season.

Heís not doing anything to get sacked during the season though.

The results have been sufficient to see out the season and (hopefully) part ways as weíre after someone more progressive.

We really would look a bit daft to most people in the game if we sacked him now for doing an ok job.

A DoF is more important to get in first and most managerial options will be still in their current job anyway.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cassius on April 26, 2018, 01:36:06 AM
I'm hoping that we'll bring Brands in and allow him to do what a DoF does, which is to identify a style of play for the club and then implement this through manager and squad.

As SA doesn't have a style of play, Brands will fire him and replace him with his choice of coach.

That enables the narrative of thanking him for his contribution, the team heading in a new direction and absolves Moshiri from firing him personally.

"Ah, but my friend Sam, it's not me, I appreciate you introducing me to onion gravy and Fake Taxi. You know I'd have kept you on, but this one is out of my hands..."
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: milky71 on April 26, 2018, 02:13:13 AM
Itís like somebody accidentally ordering a box of dogshit off amazon by mistake and when it gets delivered them asking you if you want to open it up and look at it.

Why would you open the box? You know whatís inside is toxic and will cause a stink thereís no point opening it up just to find out is there?

Worse still ordering a second box
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 26, 2018, 02:48:43 AM
I'm hoping that we'll bring Brands in and allow him to do what a DoF does, which is to identify a style of play for the club and then implement this through manager and squad.

As SA doesn't have a style of play, Brands will fire him and replace him with his choice of coach.

That enables the narrative of thanking him for his contribution, the team heading in a new direction and absolves Moshiri from firing him personally.

"Ah, but my friend Sam, it's not me, I appreciate you introducing me to onion gravy and Fake Taxi. You know I'd have kept you on, but this one is out of my hands..."

Fake Taxi, brother?

You old dog, you ;) 😄
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cassius on April 26, 2018, 03:29:18 AM
Fake Taxi, brother?

You old dog, you ;) 😄

Hahaha it wasn't me, a friend was using my laptop...
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on April 26, 2018, 03:49:41 AM
Hahaha it wasn't me, a friend was using my laptop...

Heís a dirty little sod... both your mate and the taxi geezer himself (especially when he does his special move)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ih8redshite on April 26, 2018, 04:17:00 AM
Wenger is gutted about being moved on.  Heís stated heís going to carry on working, he will be hungry for success and now has a point to prove.  Heís been at the arse and done well for them, not so recently but maybe itís gone stale for him too.  Age comes into it upto a point but surely experience and the pedigree of the man trumps the age factor
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Goaljira on April 26, 2018, 04:19:29 AM
Heís a dirty little sod... both your mate and the taxi geezer himself (especially when he does his special move)
⬇↘➡🅿?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 27, 2018, 04:42:29 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5662029/Sam-Allardyce-fails-receive-support-Everton-chief-Farhad-Moshiri.html

Clearest indication so far that he's leaving but still the language used in this article makes me think there's still a chance he could stay.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 04:48:33 AM
Yeah they won't put a definite answer on it but at least its some news from the meeting.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 04:50:48 AM
So allegedly a board room meeting tomorrow and also sams pre match conference so I'm sure we should know a lot more this time tomorrow.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 04:56:23 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sam-allardyces-everton-future-looking-12434056

Similar story
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: pjk on April 27, 2018, 04:59:44 AM
I thought Moshiri might have kept him on, up until the Mosh didn't give his public backing. I think that's him gone. :)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue slug on April 27, 2018, 05:09:20 AM
Jim white will probably announce his sacking on talksport tomorrow morning
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on April 27, 2018, 07:08:58 AM
Heís not doing anything to get sacked during the season though.

The results have been sufficient to see out the season and (hopefully) part ways as weíre after someone more progressive.

We really would look a bit daft to most people in the game if we sacked him now for doing an ok job.

A DoF is more important to get in first and most managerial options will be still in their current job anyway.

Yeah I was thinking this, canít realistically sack him on the basis of uninspiring home wins and being a generally dislikable tit.

If at the end of the season we part ways and say we want to go in a new direction Iím sure few would argue.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 27, 2018, 01:56:54 PM
Yeah I was thinking this, canít realistically sack him on the basis of uninspiring home wins and being a generally dislikable tit.

If at the end of the season we part ways and say we want to go in a new direction Iím sure few would argue.

Easy enough to say we want to go in a new direction now the season is already over for us? Just fuck him off ASAP
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheTone on April 27, 2018, 02:37:39 PM
Oi, Farhad lid

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/Emg9qPKR5hquI/200.gif)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 27, 2018, 03:51:20 PM
He actually said this,

https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/989788779161452544
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 27, 2018, 03:53:10 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/989789154539163648

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/989790177664077824
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 27, 2018, 04:01:33 PM
He actually said this,

https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/989788779161452544

well even I think that's wrong
we were a we were laughing stock before he got here just ask and football fan apart for us
which was very entertaining for them
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 27, 2018, 04:08:57 PM
He actually said this,

https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/989788779161452544

It's crap like his that just makes you want to forget Everton exists for a bit so you can concentrate on other more important stuff.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on April 27, 2018, 04:12:33 PM
It's crap like his that just makes you want to forget Everton exists for a bit so you can concentrate on other more important stuff.

He is just tugging our chain ,the prick.He knows he is going and is having a laff .At least I hope that is the case.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 27, 2018, 04:22:15 PM
He is just tugging our chain ,the prick.He knows he is going and is having a laff .At least I hope that is the case.

Of course he is but the fact he's using our club as his retirement top up whilst disrespecting the fans, his colleagues and everyone associated with it just reaffirms the fact we've lost a little bit of our soul at the minute. There is no stewardship from the boardroom to the pitch and it's the first time in a long time it's been like this. You'd like to think this summer will be a watershed moment for us to move forwards and not sink further into the mediocrity we've become.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on April 27, 2018, 04:27:39 PM
Of course he is but the fact he's using our club as his retirement top up whilst disrespecting the fans, his colleagues and everyone associated with it just reaffirms the fact we've lost a little bit of our soul at the minute. There is no stewardship from the boardroom to the pitch and it's the first time in a long time it's been like this. You'd like to think this summer will be a watershed moment for us to move forwards and not sink further into the mediocrity we've become.
When Moshiri arrived I said that we shouldn't expect too much as only one team can win the cup/league etc. I had no idea it would be this bad though,I too have never seen disarray like this ,where we go from here I don't know either .We are in the lap of the gods looking at what has transpired since he came .All the suggestions for DoF and manager are to be taken in the same vein ,it seems we won the lottery when he came but are still gambling on a roll of the dice .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 27, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
Wouldn't Sam be a touch more smug if he had been told he was staying next season?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 27, 2018, 04:44:46 PM
Wouldn't Sam be a touch more smug if he had been told he was staying next season?

Deffo, I've just put something similar in the other thread
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 04:47:09 PM
Oh just fuck off everton
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 27, 2018, 04:50:15 PM
Of course he is but the fact he's using our club as his retirement top up whilst disrespecting the fans, his colleagues and everyone associated with it just reaffirms the fact we've lost a little bit of our soul at the minute. There is no stewardship from the boardroom to the pitch and it's the first time in a long time it's been like this. You'd like to think this summer will be a watershed moment for us to move forwards and not sink further into the mediocrity we've become.

Im happy to have him disrespect us from now until the end of the season providing thats just his way of dealing with the sacking, ill take that on the chin if it means he goes.
What im increasingly worried about is that he will be here next season, with each passing day im more and more convinced hes going to be given the transfer window and the start of next season to give it a go, which is a really depressing thought
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 27, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
BIG SAM: I'M STAYING PUT

Here's a significant line from Sam Allardyce who was asked if he hoped to be staying at Everton.

"We discussed plans for next season yesterday with (club owner) Farhad (Moshiri). We have some clarity moving forward now."

Asked to confirm he was definitely on board for next term, he replied: "Didn't I just say that? For clarification, yes."
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 04:55:09 PM
Anyone have a link to that video? I've seen the echo vid of him talking shit about entertainment
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 27, 2018, 04:55:20 PM
He's been told he's going.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 04:57:23 PM
It's like a fuckin circus.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 04:59:23 PM
Why did everton have to be a great team in the mid 80's when I was a young kid and wanting to support a club.
Been wank ever since. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 27, 2018, 05:04:22 PM
He's been told he's going.



Deffo has
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 05:08:21 PM
So Dominic king is going to publish either today or tomoro that he is actually been told he's going?
And create even more confusion and our club a bigger laughing stock.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 27, 2018, 05:14:02 PM
So Dominic king is going to publish either today or tomoro that he is actually been told he's going?
And create even more confusion and our club a bigger laughing stock.

lol just lol
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Polledreng on April 27, 2018, 05:31:10 PM
Why did everton have to be a great team in the mid 80's when I was a young kid and wanting to support a club.
Been wank ever since. 
Deserved .. I hate glory hunters.  ;)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue1948 on April 27, 2018, 05:38:40 PM
My heart says Mr Mosh is waiting for the DoF decision then he can give him the big heave-ho ,experience tells me it is not so simple .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 05:57:15 PM
Well I guess you have to take evidence on face value with SA confirming that he DID have a meeting and that he has been assured of being in charge next year.
Until something official comes out saying otherwise , then that has to be accepted as the truth.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 27, 2018, 05:57:42 PM
I think if he had a new manager lined up he'd have informed Sam and it'd be written all over his face at the press conference. The fact it wasn't obvious means we're none the wiser and leaves me to think that our first choice, like Fonseca for example, is making us wait until he assesses all potential interest in him before letting us know. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Toffee1 on April 27, 2018, 06:01:32 PM
As with the other tweets I have posted, I don't know how valid this is but he seems confident that he will eventually be binned.

https://twitter.com/WatchedToffee/status/989811687376244736


https://twitter.com/WatchedToffee/status/989814356241154048
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 06:03:46 PM
Why call him for a showdown meeting then?  Whilst he's being paid he's in charge.  Doesn't really require confirmation. Just makes us look even worse in the media if they fuck him off weeks after he was told in a clear-the-air meeting that his job was safe.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Polledreng on April 27, 2018, 06:11:55 PM
Why call him for a showdown meeting then?  Whilst he's being paid he's in charge.  Doesn't really require confirmation. Just makes us look even worse in the media if they fuck him off weeks after he was told in a clear-the-air meeting that his job was safe.
I think it was Sam asking for a meeting - and I don't think he was told his job was safe. could be wrong though

https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=95817.0
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 06:15:28 PM
I know he wanted clarification, doesn't mean moshiri (if he's trying to get someone else in) had to give him one. Especially a high profile meeting in London.
Could have just been told that he's in charge unless told otherwise.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 27, 2018, 06:15:47 PM
Why call him for a showdown meeting then?  Whilst he's being paid he's in charge.  Doesn't really require confirmation. Just makes us look even worse in the media if they fuck him off weeks after he was told in a clear-the-air meeting that his job was safe.

Not really. They could have agreed to part ways at the end of the season and pay him off amicably. He keeps his mouth shut and plays the game until then and we get to keep things ticking over in the background on a replacement in the meantime.

Sam doesn't really want to be here, he can get paid the same amount of money for his final 12 months sat on his arse in Portugal or Chorley or somewhere instead of here with all the negativity fired at him from every angle. He's too long in the tooth to be worried about how it looks on his CV, he's done now with football management, time to retire.

I'm choosing to have faith on this one, probably because the alternative doesn't really bear thinking about.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheTone on April 27, 2018, 06:19:54 PM
I think if he had a new manager lined up he'd have informed Sam and it'd be written all over his face at the press conference. The fact it wasn't obvious means we're none the wiser and leaves me to think that our first choice, like Fonseca for example, is making us wait until he assesses all potential interest in him before letting us know. 

That Balague on Sky a while ago saying Fonseca refused us and is waiting for something better like the Arsenal job
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 27, 2018, 06:32:09 PM
That Balague on Sky a while ago saying Fonseca refused us and is waiting for something better like the Arsenal job

Balague knows fuck all, his track record at being completely wrong about everything is up there with the very best.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lxxx on April 27, 2018, 06:39:52 PM
Balague knows fuck all, his track record at being completely wrong about everything is up there with the very best.

Has he actually got any serious reputation or track record at all or is he just like that Richardson fella on Football Italia who just winged it by virtue of being an English football fan able to speak fluent Italian and wanted to move to Italy.   
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 07:36:29 PM
Fonseca would be risking it going to Arsenal or Chelsea. They would expect instant results. For a very young manager with no premiership experience that's a tall order.
At everton he would be allowed a season at least to try and implement his methods. I for one would accept a similar final league position if it's clear he is bringing a better quality of football. There will be teething errors etc. As long as there's light at the end of the tunnel he would have support.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blueToffee on April 27, 2018, 08:07:13 PM
I'm probably a bit behind here but just saw this on the BBC:

Everton: Sam Allardyce says he will stay after talks with Farhad Moshiri

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43922460

I we saying that's just his spin? It seems like he's pretty concrete in his response.

"We discussed plans for next season yesterday. We have some clarity moving forward now," said the 63-year-old, whose contract expires in June 2019.

Asked to confirm whether he was staying next season, Allardyce said: "Didn't I just say that? For clarification, yes."
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 27, 2018, 08:29:11 PM
So Dominic king is going to publish either today or tomoro that he is actually been told he's going?
And create even more confusion and our club a bigger laughing stock.

Calm down mate. The club's not a laughing stock. This is normal media stuff.

He's going. He was always going. They just have to play the media game.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 27, 2018, 08:56:41 PM
Why call him for a showdown meeting then?  Whilst he's being paid he's in charge.  Doesn't really require confirmation. Just makes us look even worse in the media if they fuck him off weeks after he was told in a clear-the-air meeting that his job was safe.

tell me who said they called him for a showdown meeting ?
this meeting was set up weeks ago to talk about the coming window (player in and out) I did try to tell you yesterday
stop getting sucked in by the propaganda machine
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 08:56:55 PM
Calm down mate. The club's not a laughing stock. This is normal media stuff.

He's going. He was always going. They just have to play the media game.

We are the talk in all media circles about all the wrong things. Already every man and his dog saying poor old Sam is being treated so badly and how ungrateful we are and how lucky we are to have him . If good old Sam comes out and says he's been told he has the boards backing and then king writes that is not true and that in fact he's being shoved out the door it'll be even more criticism aimed our way.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 27, 2018, 09:03:55 PM
We are the talk in all media circles about all the wrong things. Already every man and his dog saying poor old Sam is being treated so badly and how ungrateful we are and how lucky we are to have him . If good old Sam comes out and says he's been told he has the boards backing and then king writes that is not true and that in fact he's being shoved out the door it'll be even more criticism aimed our way.

We're not the talk in any media circles mate. Like that survey everyone was mortified by. No one else outside of Everton really gave a fuck. The people saying stuff like 'Allardyce has done well' are predominantly ex RS players who are on the windup, and people who don't really know or understand Everton.

I'm not really bothered about 'media criticism' aimed our way. I'm bothered as to whether I can actually support my team next season.

Allardyce wants his pay off, so he'll have to say the usual things about 'planning for next season' and all that shite. Don't worry about 'even more criticism aimed our way'. Who gives a fuck? They're people who watch us play twice a season, and then see a few results and think we're doing fine. Why are you bothered about any of that? Read between the lines a bit more.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: everton1952 on April 27, 2018, 09:04:19 PM
The answer to the thread question is "No". However on 27th April 2018 this no longer matters. He is staying. Farhad sees no point in emptying out the whole newly recruited  backroom staff and the manager after only 5 months. That is how I read it. He might have done if a top manager rang and asked if there is a vacancy.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 27, 2018, 09:07:45 PM
The answer to the thread question is "No". However on 27th April 2018 this no longer matters. He is staying. Farhad sees no point in emptying out the whole newly recruited  backroom staff and the manager after only 5 months. That is how I read it. He might have done if a top manager rang and asked if there is a vacancy.

Put your money where your mouth is then. I'll pay up if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 27, 2018, 09:09:16 PM
We are the talk in all media circles about all the wrong things. Already every man and his dog saying poor old Sam is being treated so badly and how ungrateful we are and how lucky we are to have him . If good old Sam comes out and says he's been told he has the boards backing and then king writes that is not true and that in fact he's being shoved out the door it'll be even more criticism aimed our way.

Speaking as someone who lives away from the fair city of Liverpool, we are not being talked about massively. When people post that we are a 'laughing stock', we're really not. Noone outside of us fans really cares about us, which is worse probably. People need to chill out about things like that.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheTone on April 27, 2018, 09:12:37 PM
Balague knows fuck all, his track record at being completely wrong about everything is up there with the very best.

fuck him and his gelled up hair then
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on April 27, 2018, 09:14:41 PM
We are the talk in all media circles about all the wrong things. Already every man and his dog saying poor old Sam is being treated so badly and how ungrateful we are and how lucky we are to have him . If good old Sam comes out and says he's been told he has the boards backing and then king writes that is not true and that in fact he's being shoved out the door it'll be even more criticism aimed our way.

Criticism from the media is the least of our problems right now
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Waltzer on April 27, 2018, 09:30:21 PM
The answer to the thread question is "No". However on 27th April 2018 this no longer matters. He is staying. Farhad sees no point in emptying out the whole newly recruited  backroom staff and the manager after only 5 months. That is how I read it. He might have done if a top manager rang and asked if there is a vacancy.

Im thinking Moshiri is almost resigned to the fact that we wont crack the top 4. I think he had a notion where he could plow 200 million in and the jobs a goodun, this season it dawned on him that it isnt that easy, hes got a bit scared and will now be happy with mid table security/obscurity to ensure his investment stays sound and thats the limits to his ambitions for now
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 27, 2018, 10:01:41 PM
We're stuffed, that's not a taxi, it's a taxidermist - no life

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: mikey_blue on April 27, 2018, 10:07:22 PM
Without trying to sound too much like a Kopite, but what have we done to deserve this?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 10:23:49 PM
I do wish there wasn't four current allardyce/manager threads going on on here. They may have started out as slightly different topics but they've all blurred into one.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on April 27, 2018, 10:30:21 PM
I think it will go something like this:
- Brands offered and accepted position of new DOF
- Walsh fucked off
- Behind the scenes new manager scouted under the direction of Brands
- Allardyce 'retires' and fucks off with his merry men in tow
- New manager appointed

All before the end of May ...Well we can all hope cant we ?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on April 27, 2018, 10:47:14 PM
I still think he's gone. I keep picturing that stupid face he mad on the gif to a player and think that is how he would have been in the press conference if he were staying
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 27, 2018, 11:15:36 PM
Pretty much a dead cert he's staying
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 27, 2018, 11:29:53 PM
Pretty much a dead cert he's staying
............till the end of the season yes .
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 27, 2018, 11:34:38 PM
The 2019 one!
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 27, 2018, 11:44:17 PM
I'm assuming he's staying unless otherwise told so (officially). as he's the only one of the parties who has come out and said the result of the meeting was he gets another year.
You can read into facial expressions etc. All you like but end of day he's put the ball in their court.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 28, 2018, 12:04:20 AM
Still to me, the best logical piece is there is just no way Brands would come here to have The Gravy Boat and his grifter minions still around to undermine him.  That would be the very definition of insanity.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 28, 2018, 12:09:51 AM
Still to me, the best logical piece is there is just no way Brands would come here to have The Gravy Boat and his grifter minions still around to undermine him.  That would be the very definition of insanity.

People are so fucking dramatic. Why would he undermine him? I get people donít like him but why not just stay with the genuine reasons rather than just make extra 1s up
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on April 28, 2018, 12:11:15 AM
Still to me, the best logical piece is there is just no way Brands would come here to have The Gravy Boat and his grifter minions still around to undermine him.  That would be the very definition of insanity.

the definition of insanity on here is crying about the same thing over and over again and expecting Big Sam to get sacked
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 28, 2018, 12:17:52 AM
People are so fucking dramatic. Why would he undermine him? I get people donít like him but why not just stay with the genuine reasons rather than just make extra 1s up

He undermines him by being shit at modern football, and not on the same wavelength as a progressive DoF (we've all seen what his vision is).  There's no way Allardyce fits with this.  Nothing to do with intent.  Square peg, round hole.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 28, 2018, 12:20:05 AM
This is the future of Everton Football Club at stake.  I don't consider it "dramatic" to give a fuck about pulling ourselves out of this muck before we are hollowed out by this anti-football rot.

But hey, it's your go-to insult, so carry on.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 28, 2018, 12:26:03 AM
This is the future of Everton Football Club at stake.  I don't consider it "dramatic" to give a fuck about pulling ourselves out of this muck before we are hollowed out by this anti-football rot.

But hey, it's your go-to insult, so carry on.

The future of our club. We are fucking 8th. We expected to finish 7th.
I understand that people donít like him. I understand that people think we can do better. The future of Everton football club isnít at fucking stake though and you really need to stop being so dramatic
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue slug on April 28, 2018, 12:33:05 AM
I think it is, we have spent loads compared to all teams other than the mancs and we play some of the worst football Iíve seen us play in years, the atmosphere seems awful too
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Thomasmcd on April 28, 2018, 12:38:37 AM
It might not be the future of the club being at stake, as all clubs (outside the top 6) seem to be concerned with is premier league survival first everything else a distant second. With Allardyce we're more or less guaranteed that, but not a lot else, that is why I want him gone.

As an Everton supporter I'm well used to not winning, but what I'm not used to is not even trying to win. I've given up trying to read into if he's going or staying, but I do know that if he stays my apathy for all things Everton will continue to grow as long as he's in charge
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 28, 2018, 01:00:08 AM
The future of our club. We are fucking 8th. We expected to finish 7th.
I understand that people donít like him. I understand that people think we can do better. The future of Everton football club isnít at fucking stake though and you really need to stop being so dramatic

No offence like but you calling people dramatic is a bit fucking rich.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 28, 2018, 01:03:17 AM
No offence like but you calling people dramatic is a bit fucking rich.

Even by my standards the future of the club is at stake is dramatic. Surely heís the only 1 who believes that? Do you believe the future of Everton football club is at stake? 1 more year of allardyce and weíll cease to be? Itís a wee bit more dramatic than saying DCL is shit (he still is by the way)
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: eugene on April 28, 2018, 01:04:27 AM
Im thinking Moshiri is almost resigned to the fact that we wont crack the top 4. I think he had a notion where he could plow 200 million in and the jobs a goodun, this season it dawned on him that it isnt that easy, hes got a bit scared and will now be happy with mid table security/obscurity to ensure his investment stays sound and thats the limits to his ambitions for now
Please god I hope not but it does sound plausible
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ih8redshite on April 28, 2018, 01:21:16 AM
Why oh why, things are that bad with the blues, if I had a child now I would steer them away from footy and get them into rugby, thatís how fuckin dire Everton F.C. are.  What kind of club treats itís loyal fan base the way it has for years on the coat tails of the 80s.  Itís surviving on its brand name that is being rapidly eroded away ie the peopleís club and born not manufactured, all mission statements.  Itís a business and we should treat it as such, if it isnít serving its customers why the fuck do we support them, itís only through sentimentality and brain washing that they we have a fan base anymore.  The club needs to come out and say exactly whatís happening and be straight, any club/business who has any ambition would not be or even let its business stoop to the levels we have.  Time for Moshiri to step up or go
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue slug on April 28, 2018, 01:40:04 AM
Just watching allardyce interview and it does seem like heís staying on doesnít it. Fuck me I wonít be watching us next season then
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 28, 2018, 01:54:01 AM

There's the press conference.

His whole demeanour changes when asked about next season.

He's going.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: blue slug on April 28, 2018, 01:54:38 AM
I hope youíre right buddy
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Juanito on April 28, 2018, 02:25:42 AM

There's the press conference.

His whole demeanour changes when asked about next season.

He's going.

Defo. Phew, can finally look forward to next season now.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 28, 2018, 02:30:15 AM
That looks like a face that's saying "How the fuck did I pull that off?" Seriously worried now.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: velimski on April 28, 2018, 03:17:08 AM

There's the press conference.

His whole demeanour changes when asked about next season.

He's going.

how many minutes in? Can't listen/watch the man for a full 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 28, 2018, 04:03:45 AM
how many minutes in? Can't listen/watch the man for a full 15 minutes.

Same. I donít watch his pressers anymore because he chats pure shite and blatantly tries to wind us up. So a heads up on when to skip to would be great.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 28, 2018, 04:10:34 AM
Round about seven and a half minutes in lads.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 28, 2018, 04:20:46 AM
How can you watch a snippet of an interview and concur thereís been a change in demeanour?

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 28, 2018, 04:23:09 AM
The more he sticks at the staying line the more weíll have to pay off.

Any hint of acceptance of leaving and a lower, negotiated pay off is more likely.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 28, 2018, 04:24:52 AM
The more he sticks at the staying line the more weíll have to pay off.

Any hint of acceptance of leaving and a lower, negotiated pay off is more likely.

Surely heís entitled to what heís entitled to. Acknowledging he might lose his job wouldnít cost him anything
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 28, 2018, 04:25:12 AM
Has he gone yet?

 :Sick:
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on April 28, 2018, 04:27:18 AM
How can you watch a snippet of an interview and concur thereís been a change in demeanour?



By watching a snippet of an interview and concurring there was a change in demeanour.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 28, 2018, 04:29:08 AM
By watching a snippet of an interview and concurring there was a change in demeanour.

Agree. Itís not rocket science.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 28, 2018, 04:38:21 AM
By watching a snippet of an interview and concurring there was a change in demeanour.

From what?  If youíve not seen how he previously conducted himself.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 28, 2018, 04:43:08 AM
Needs a big snippet
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: fubarruk on April 28, 2018, 04:45:30 AM
Think you're clutching at straws tbh lads. I want him gone as much as anyone but let's not forget who were talking about, the man has no shame, no filter and is a dinosaur, if he'd had heard anything else other than he's staying he's have said so by now, we're dealing with a man without even a smidge of class or tact.

He's staying, start getting used to it. Next year will be the first in nearly 20  I won't be going to Goodison.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 28, 2018, 04:48:48 AM
from The Guardian tonight..............
<< Sam Allardyce has refused to reveal whether Farhad Moshiri guaranteed he would be Everton manager next season and admitted the clubís major shareholder has no plans to back him publicly.
Allardyce and Moshiri met in London on Thursday following a request by the manager for clarification over his long-term future. The pair discussed plans for pre-season plus the 2018-19 campaign and that, according to Allardyce, provided ďsome clarity moving forwardĒ. But the 63-year-old declined to elaborate on whether Moshiri had given a 100% commitment that he will remain in charge beyond this summer.
ďIím not going to tell you one way or the other,Ē Allardyce said. ďWe discussed next season and if I wasnít going to be here why would we be discussing next season at great length? I have found Farhad nothing but supportive from day one and still just as supportive yesterday. >>
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 28, 2018, 05:07:17 AM
Clear as mud
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 28, 2018, 05:12:14 AM
Right now I'd settle for the - not a pot to piss in,Moyes in charge of our Cahill,pienaar,arteta crew, any day of the week. How quickly we've fallen
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: nsno on April 28, 2018, 05:27:52 AM
I by no means want to see Sam as our manager next season.
To his credit he has come in and steadied the ship somewhat and got us conceding less and looking more solid defensively. When he arrived he said he would get us top half of the table.  If we did finish 8th and considering the dreadful start to the season, would anybody consider that acceptable. I know I would. If this was any other club apart from Everton we would all be saying how unfairly he has been treated and what a good job he's done. If we do finish top 8 then surely he would deserve a fair crack of the whip next season? I post this with the perspective of a neutral. Please read the first sentence again before slating what I've wrote.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Sir Stealth on April 28, 2018, 05:50:22 AM
I by no means want to see Sam as our manager next season.
To his credit he has come in and steadied the ship somewhat and got us conceding less and looking more solid defensively. When he arrived he said he would get us top half of the table.  If we did finish 8th and considering the dreadful start to the season, would anybody consider that acceptable. I know I would. If this was any other club apart from Everton we would all be saying how unfairly he has been treated and what a good job he's done. If we do finish top 8 then surely he would deserve a fair crack of the whip next season? I post this with the perspective of a neutral. Please read the first sentence again before slating what I've wrote.

I think to the neutral, if you weren't over familiar with our history and how much the fans care, you may think that the fans criticism is harsh on Allardyce.

I think we wouldn't have been as hateful towards Sam if when appointed they said that he was here to steady the ship, to get us up and provide a solid platform for the next manager to start with in the summer. Although we would be fuming at Moshiri for such a lack of ambition

As it is though, we have the 7th best squad in the league and we will probably finish 8th or 9th. As a fanbase we feel as though we belong higher up, and as a club who have spent a lot of money in the past couple of years, we strive for more.

Sam has done a basic job. He's beaten the shit sides at home (and there are a lot in this league). He's got nowhere near beating anyone good. We've surrended possession in most games, not played attacking football, hardly had any shots. Once the ship was steadied we needed to see a more progressive style and we haven't. And there's no evidence to suggest that this would change under Allardyce. We aren't going to close the gap on the teams above us by just playing it safe

Allardyce hasn't really been a disaster though, it's been dull as fuck but fair enough he has done the job I thought he would do. My expectations weren't high. I would like that to change next season though, under a new manager
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on April 28, 2018, 05:53:18 AM
The man famously said 'We need to be more boring' at a stage when we couldn't have got much more boring.
Think that was when the reality of what most of us feared he would bring, set in.

So here's the question...If by his own admission he was brought in to save the club from relegation..is that not what we will be looking for next year by keeping him here?
It can be argued he did what he was sent in to do which was keep us up but by God he's done it soooo fuckin boringly. And to then try to convince us it's been hugely entertaining at times....wtf
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on April 28, 2018, 11:43:49 AM
Surely heís entitled to what heís entitled to. Acknowledging he might lose his job wouldnít cost him anything

Yes heíd be entitled.

But weíd surely start from a point of not offering full compensation.

So weíd offer for example 50% and agree to say mutual consent.

Heíd say no way, 100%, youíll have to fire me.

Any sort of wranglings would be influenced by him being willing to leave as it would be admission that he didnít want to see out his contract and therefore perform the duties that would entitle him to the 100% of the money.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bluenuck on April 28, 2018, 01:02:00 PM
From what?  If youíve not seen how he previously conducted himself.

Andy Kaufman was a bit of a nut.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Cassius on April 28, 2018, 01:36:49 PM
If FM had told Sam he was unequivocally staying, had a budget and was his man, he would have been crowing from behind his press conference desk and we'd have all known about it.

That he wasn't, and that he didn't provide a clear response to the question, makes me even more confident he'll be gone before the world cup starts.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on April 28, 2018, 05:47:10 PM
https://www.change.org/p/everton-football-club-everton-football-club-remove-sam-allardyce-as-manager?utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_signer_receipt&utm_campaign=triggered&j=296089&sfmc_sub=309177411&l=32_HTML&u=53444679&mid=7233052&jb=1146446


Just to re-enforce the message to the board again.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ross on April 28, 2018, 05:55:07 PM
Yes heíd be entitled.

But weíd surely start from a point of not offering full compensation.

So weíd offer for example 50% and agree to say mutual consent.

Heíd say no way, 100%, youíll have to fire me.

Any sort of wranglings would be influenced by him being willing to leave as it would be admission that he didnít want to see out his contract and therefore perform the duties that would entitle him to the 100% of the money.

The club gave him a contract with a staying up bonus included in it, they inexplicably agreed to triple his annual income, his contract will be water tight. Moshiri was yet again got bent over a desk such was his desperation to get his man.

Thereíll be no negotiations over what heís entitled to, Allardyce wonít give up any money heís due, and heíll be due the full amount.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 28, 2018, 06:28:46 PM
He's either been told play the game as though you're staying or he IS staying. I'll be devoed if it's the latter.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 28, 2018, 07:01:21 PM
https://www.change.org/p/everton-football-club-everton-football-club-remove-sam-allardyce-as-manager?utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_signer_receipt&utm_campaign=triggered&j=296089&sfmc_sub=309177411&l=32_HTML&u=53444679&mid=7233052&jb=1146446


Just to re-enforce the message to the board again.

Embarrassing.
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Post by: Escla on April 28, 2018, 07:05:06 PM
Totally embarrassing, 600 signatures so far, ďletís get to 1000Ē he says, like that will make the Board react eh !
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Post by: dunkster on April 28, 2018, 08:00:53 PM
Missed a golden opportunity to let moshiri know against Newcastle. Seemed almost written that he was gonna watch that game and gueye the crowd.
Unfortunately it would have taken us losing for our fans to let that be known.
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Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 30, 2018, 06:00:53 AM
94% lolol
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Post by: Bluedylan on April 30, 2018, 06:40:18 AM
Fuck off Wazza eh...

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/everton-latest-news-sam-allardyce-out-next-manager-wayne-rooney-a8328291.html
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Post by: Jamokachi on April 30, 2018, 07:16:38 AM
Towing the line.
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Post by: BlueForYou on May 01, 2018, 11:58:11 PM
Nominated for Manager of the Month

And West Brom are interested
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Post by: Ross on May 02, 2018, 12:05:56 AM
Surely not?

Quote
However, elements of the club's top brass have been pleased with Allardyce's impact and the idea of extending his contract by a year has been aired.

Allardyce met with Farhad Moshiri in London last week.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5678963/West-Brom-keen-Everton-manager-Sam-Allardyce-leave-Goodison-Park-summer.html

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on May 02, 2018, 12:44:45 AM
Surely not?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5678963/West-Brom-keen-Everton-manager-Sam-Allardyce-leave-Goodison-Park-summer.html




 :shock:

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Post by: TheRam on May 02, 2018, 12:45:31 AM
Haha.
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Post by: BlueForYou on May 02, 2018, 02:10:58 AM
BrumBrum
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Post by: blueski on May 02, 2018, 02:28:56 AM
The club gave him a contract with a staying up bonus included in it, they inexplicably agreed to triple his annual income, his contract will be water tight. Moshiri was yet again got bent over a desk such was his desperation to get his man.

Thereíll be no negotiations over what heís entitled to, Allardyce wonít give up any money heís due, and heíll be due the full amount.
one would have to think at this point Allardyce and his agent are more than familiar on protecting him in the event his services are no longer desired.
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Post by: Ross on May 02, 2018, 05:13:03 AM
one would have to think at this point Allardyce and his agent are more than familiar on protecting him in the event his services are no longer desired.

Of course.

He had our ďworld class businessmanĒ by the balls.

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Post by: Hawkandro on May 02, 2018, 02:13:08 PM
Surely not?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5678963/West-Brom-keen-Everton-manager-Sam-Allardyce-leave-Goodison-Park-summer.html

I think we know which member of the board we can blame if he stays on...

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/991415782826528768

Oh, and WBA, why the fuck would you appoint this dinosaur when you have Darren Moore who looks ready to be given a chance? Fucking stupidity, if so.
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Post by: brap2 on May 02, 2018, 04:24:11 PM
My understanding is that bill does not rate allardyce, and that moshiri (under fear of relegation) is the one who pushed for him.
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Post by: Alanvideo on May 02, 2018, 04:32:18 PM
My understanding is that bill does not rate allardyce, and that moshiri (under fear of relegation) is the one who pushed for him.
...............I tend to agree with that .Bill was just thanking SA for doing what he was brought in to do and no more.
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Post by: Ross on May 02, 2018, 05:17:23 PM
I think we know which member of the board we can blame if he stays on...

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/991415782826528768

Oh, and WBA, why the fuck would you appoint this dinosaur when you have Darren Moore who looks ready to be given a chance? Fucking stupidity, if so.

Think youíre well wide of the mark there.
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Post by: Macca77 on May 02, 2018, 05:41:18 PM
https://twitter.com/RBMersey/status/991331748045905921
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Post by: Toffee1 on May 02, 2018, 08:06:33 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11355726/sam-allardyce-will-never-gain-full-support-of-everton-fans-says-kevin-campbell

Love Super Kev.
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Post by: Jimmywhack on May 03, 2018, 01:22:12 AM
Straws. Clutching, yes

http://members.boardhost.com/peoplesforum/msg/1525121448.html
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Post by: brap2 on May 03, 2018, 02:18:48 AM
Cannot wait to see Fonz trying to play juego de posicion with jagielka and Keane.
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Post by: TheRam on May 03, 2018, 02:20:10 AM
Cannot wait to see Fonz trying to play juego de posicion with jagielka and Keane.

Keane's a baller.
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Post by: brap2 on May 03, 2018, 03:03:02 AM
Keane's a baller.

Heís crap
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Post by: Toffee1 on May 03, 2018, 02:32:33 PM
https://twitter.com/1kevincampbell/status/991886418980024323

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Post by: Macca77 on May 03, 2018, 02:56:42 PM
Go ed Super Kev!!
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Post by: sam of the south on May 03, 2018, 03:10:51 PM
https://twitter.com/1kevincampbell/status/991886418980024323



Fucking hell! 😃
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 03, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
Heís a top lad but Kev does just like to tell Everton fans what they want to hear. Very much doubt heís heard anything.
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Post by: Macca77 on May 03, 2018, 03:36:07 PM
Love Super Kev, he tweets everyday saying have an amazing day, cheers me up it does cos I know that out of all of his thousands of followers that tweet is just for me.
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Post by: TheRam on May 03, 2018, 04:46:27 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-transfer-talks-stalled-club-position-doesnt-favour-negotiation-right-now/

Fabra deal has stalled due to a possible change in sporting direction at Everton.
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 03, 2018, 04:54:21 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-transfer-talks-stalled-club-position-doesnt-favour-negotiation-right-now/

Fabra deal has stalled due to a possible change in sporting direction at Everton.

Who is he?? Type of player?
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Post by: TheRam on May 03, 2018, 05:03:42 PM
Who is he?? Type of player?

Pacey left back by all accounts.
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Post by: Bluedylan on May 03, 2018, 05:04:49 PM
Who is he?? Type of player?

Columbia's starting LB.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 05:26:09 PM
I do hope moshiri gets it right before an inevitable decline in his enthusiasm and Money spending.at the moment I still believe in his desire and plans for the club but if gets it wrong again I think he will stop sanctioning big money moves.
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Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 05:28:23 PM
The one thing he can't fail with is employing Brands and Fonseca. Virtually the whole fan base wants to see it happen and if it happens but doesn't work out, I don't think moshiri can be to blame. If he holds on to allardyce then he is most definately to blame.
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 03, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
The one thing he can't fail with is employing Brands and Fonseca. Virtually the whole fan base wants to see it happen and if it happens but doesn't work out, I don't think moshiri can be to blame. If he holds on to allardyce then he is most definately to blame.


Iím more worried if heís appointing staff on what the fans want
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Post by: Macca77 on May 03, 2018, 05:34:51 PM

Iím more worried if heís appointing staff on what the fans want

I'm more worried that he might keep the manager and DOF that the majority of the fans don't want.
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Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 05:36:01 PM
I believe he's wanted fonseca since koemans exit, so therefore that's not the case. The fact that such a high percentage of fans also want fonseca is simply a great way of everyone coming together. A fresh new start that everybodies on board with.

That in response to koemansnumber10, not macca
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Post by: Waltzer on May 03, 2018, 05:36:54 PM

Iím more worried if heís appointing staff on what the fans want

100% agree, if he thinks Sam is the right person then he should stick with him, despite the annoyance this would cause. To appoint 2 personnel on the whim of the fans would be ludicrous and a huge expenses that'll undoubtedly fall with the club, not him.
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 03, 2018, 05:40:10 PM
I'm more worried that he might keep the manager and DOF that the majority of the fans don't want.

Obviously allardyce is very unpopular but surely you donít want the hiring and firing done on the basis of popularity with the fans.

Also is brands universally popular? I didnít even know who he was before we were linked with him. I doubt most did. Think we just like something new. All last summers signings became universally popular when we signed them

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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 03, 2018, 05:43:46 PM
100% agree, if he thinks Sam is the right person then he should stick with him, despite the annoyance this would cause. To appoint 2 personnel on the whim of the fans would be ludicrous and a huge expenses that'll undoubtedly fall with the club, not him.

Plus none of us are interviewing these people/ we have no real clue. If Moshiri isnít up to making good footballing decisions he needs to find the people who are. Not 40,000 fans
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on May 03, 2018, 05:58:29 PM
Obviously allardyce is very unpopular but surely you donít want the hiring and firing done on the basis of popularity with the fans.

Also is brands universally popular? I didnít even know who he was before we were linked with him. I doubt most did. Think we just like something new. All last summers signings became universally popular when we signed them



Brandsí record in his field is way better than Allardyceís, as is Fonsecaís.

Add to that, Brandsí recruitment and Fonsecaís coaching style are modern and forward thinking, which is what all clubs gravitate towards when they want to close the gap on the elite.

These arenít two random names that were conjured by HITC and fan forums.

They are two men on the up, and we should be going for them or those of their ilk.

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Post by: Tofifee on May 03, 2018, 06:02:08 PM
anyone else hate that when u type in Everton to google you get stroies from that AWFUL HITC site
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Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 06:03:45 PM
I can't understand fans happy with letting allardyce have another year. What is it you expect to see??
He already believes we are playing great football. He's already said that entertainment is the art of defending.
He's done a job this year. By his own admission he was only brought in to get us out of relegation trouble. 'Job done' his own words.
Do you guys really think he will bring entertaining football next year??
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Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 06:05:44 PM
anyone else hate that when u type in Everton to google you get stroies from that AWFUL HITC site

I click on a lot of links through 'newsnow everton' lately that bring a fuck off great full screen advert of ferry cruises that I can't get rid of..
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 03, 2018, 06:06:56 PM
Brandsí record in his field is way better than Allardyceís, as is Fonsecaís.

Add to that, Brandsí recruitment and Fonsecaís coaching style are modern and forward thinking, which is what all clubs gravitate towards when they want to close the gap on the elite.

These arenít two random names that were conjured by HITC and fan forums.

They are two men on the up, and we should be going for them or those of their ilk.



Iím not questioning their records but brands is only popular now it appears heís gonna sign. If weíd had a poll on the next DOF beforehand weíd probably have struggled to muster 3 or 4 sensible names between us
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Post by: Bluedylan on May 03, 2018, 06:10:10 PM
100% agree, if he thinks Sam is the right person then he should stick with him, despite the annoyance this would cause. To appoint 2 personnel on the whim of the fans would be ludicrous and a huge expenses that'll undoubtedly fall with the club, not him.

Nah, it's not just annoyance. If a decision is going to unite say 90% of the fanbase against you, then it's just a massively unwise decision regardless of the rights or wrongs of his management.

Some people just shouldn't be at some clubs, like Hodgson at Liverpool. The fit is wrong.
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Post by: Waltzer on May 03, 2018, 06:16:47 PM
Nah, it's not just annoyance. If a decision is going to unite say 90% of the fanbase against you, then it's just a massively unwise decision regardless of the rights or wrongs of his management.

Some people just shouldn't be at some clubs, like Hodgson at Liverpool. The fit is wrong.

I agree to a certain extent, although if he really believes Sam is worth giving another year to then he should do it. At Bolton (yes I know it was ages ago) when he built his own team they played decent football, if he was able to replicate that here and we were competing for the top 4 positions then a majority of those 90% of people would be chanting his name. Football fans are fickle, which is why you need a strong leader with a vision thats willing to take it on the chin if he believes hes doing whats right for the club.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on May 03, 2018, 06:16:52 PM
Iím not questioning their records but brands is only popular now it appears heís gonna sign. If weíd had a poll on the next DOF beforehand weíd probably have struggled to muster 3 or 4 sensible names between us

Yes, but we didnít come up with the candidates.

They are obviously either in the press and linked with us because football men generally rate them/our football men rate them/they are doing a good job and making waves.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 06:36:05 PM
Football is different from the days of sams Bolton team. His era of management has died out. He's ok and experienced enough for the bottom feeders of the premiership.  but anyone who believes we can try break into that top 6 with him in charge is dillusional.
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 03, 2018, 06:49:55 PM
Yes, but we didnít come up with the candidates.

They are obviously either in the press and linked with us because football men generally rate them/our football men rate them/they are doing a good job and making waves.

Thatís my point. It was in regards to someone saying we should appoint them because they are popular with the fan base

Yet it makes no sense to trust the club to come up with a shortlist and then bow to fan pressure. Either we trust the club to make football decisions or we donít
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Post by: sam of the south on May 03, 2018, 07:02:20 PM
Thatís my point. It was in regards to someone saying we should appoint them because they are popular with the fan base

Yet it makes no sense to trust the club to come up with a shortlist and then bow to fan pressure. Either we trust the club to make football decisions or we donít

I think there is the rub, mate; the club havenít made a good managerial decision since 2002.
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Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 07:03:09 PM
Thatís my point. It was in regards to someone saying we should appoint them because they are popular with the fan base
Yet it makes no sense to trust the club to come up with a shortlist and then bow to fan pressure. Either we trust the club to make football decisions or we donít

If your on about me, I stated that if moshiri is after fonseca AND it will be popular with fans then it's a great start where we are all on the same page come the start if the season.
From what I've read, he wanted fonseca when he sacked koeman but couldn't get him.
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Post by: bogie on May 03, 2018, 07:26:35 PM
If your on about me, I stated that if moshiri is after fonseca AND it will be popular with fans then it's a great start where we are all on the same page come the start if the season.
From what I've read, he wanted fonseca when he sacked koeman but couldn't get him.

Koeman was popular with the fans on signing how well did that work out
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Post by: sam of the south on May 03, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
Koeman was popular with the fans on signing how well did that work out

He wasnít really, he was about fifth choice on general consensus on here.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on May 03, 2018, 07:38:28 PM
Imo sams original football style is still present in the game but it has morphed a lot. Reds wouldnít wanna hear it but klopps aggression + up the pitch directly + let individual style players score is the modern equivalent.

What heís doing with us atm is what heís dne everywhere really, which is the old sort. Deep block, low aggression, get up the pitch through a target man / channel runs and score through crosses into the box.

Itís horrible to watch and heís not even doing it that well, however it is effective against teams with worse individual players than us, and our results have flattered our performances.

Frankly anyone who wants him to stay another year has got their head on upside down. Particularly if they think the style is going to change one jot. More likely the results would regress to the level the performances have been, and he would be sacked by Christmas like everywhere else.
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Post by: bogie on May 03, 2018, 07:41:34 PM
He wasn’t really, he was about fifth choice on general consensus on here.

well take out the dreamers that were asking for Josť Mourinho , Diego Simeone and other managers that were never going to come here then your talking about top 2 picks
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on May 03, 2018, 07:42:51 PM
I never wanted Koeman myself like.

I think a lot of people would've preferred somebody else.

He was very much the obvious, safe choice.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on May 03, 2018, 07:55:05 PM
I never wanted Koeman myself like.

I think a lot of people would've preferred somebody else.

He was very much the obvious, safe choice.

any manager back then that had 4 2 3 1 as there style of play I did not want

I still think Leonardo Jardim is made for this league
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 03, 2018, 08:01:13 PM
I think there is the rub, mate; the club havenít made a good managerial decision since 2002.

That is true

Weíve gone from making good footballing decisions and shit business 1s to good business decisions and shit football 1s
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 03, 2018, 08:05:25 PM
I never wanted Koeman myself like.

I think a lot of people would've preferred somebody else.

He was very much the obvious, safe choice.

Nor me. Seemed Southampton were doing well because of their transfer dealings (with a couple of big rebuilds) but all reports said that was someone elseís work. Seemed an odd appointment especially when we were pushing the boat out so much in terms of wages
We all get caught up in it though. Taking from another club. Decent press. Big money. By the time he arrived we were all onboard. Much like some of our signings. We just live in hope and so get sucked in
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Post by: boothill on May 03, 2018, 08:09:26 PM
any manager back then that had 4 2 3 1 as there style of play I did not want

I still think Leonardo Jardim is made for this league
no country for old men was a great film
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Macca77 on May 03, 2018, 08:10:32 PM
Koeman basically tried to use us a stepping stone to get the Barca job
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on May 03, 2018, 09:21:20 PM
no country for old men was a great film

is there a meaning to that
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Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 03, 2018, 09:31:53 PM
im pretty sure i've said this before.. but i hope to fuck he isnt here, mind numbingly boring football. i wish the board listen to the fans at the ground..

he has compared us to shit clubs, he has said some right stupid things in press conferences, I expect an Everton manager to be charasmatic, be able to speak the truth and atleast have some creativity in his style of play..
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 03, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
Potentially a new manager, director of football and chief executive next season. Is it miserable of me to expect at least 1 of those appointments to be an unmitigated disaster?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 09:47:10 PM
Potentially a new manager, director of football and chief executive next season. Is it miserable of me to expect at least 1 of those appointments to be an unmitigated disaster?

Doesn't matter who the chief exec is or which technical director we get in if SA remains here. Brands could get Aguero in and allardyce would turn him to shit within a fortnight.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on May 03, 2018, 09:53:05 PM
is there a meaning to that

Check out roger ebert over here
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on May 03, 2018, 10:15:50 PM
I think Koeman was a decent appointment at the time and he sorted out the shite Martinez had left behind pretty quickly.

We sort of just needed the solid stable season that we had after the mess of the previous two.

Shame it all went tits up this season like.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on May 03, 2018, 10:21:03 PM
Yes

Tosun or Giroud last summer, different story - probably
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: boothill on May 03, 2018, 10:21:54 PM
is there a meaning to that
Your intellect may be confused, but your emotions will never lie to you.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 10:24:20 PM
I think koeman was unlucky tbh. Fucked over with not getting a striker was massive. Especially when you knew lukaku was pretty much our only goalscorer.
A host of new signings which were always going to need bedding in. A horrific opening fixture list. I'm sure with our Europa exit, injured players returning and 2 quality attacking additions in january we would have been no worse off than now.
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Post by: BlueForYou on May 03, 2018, 10:27:02 PM
Bang on the mark, dunkster
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 03, 2018, 10:27:11 PM
I think Koeman was a decent appointment at the time and he sorted out the shite Martinez had left behind pretty quickly.

We sort of just needed the solid stable season that we had after the mess of the previous two.

Shame it all went tits up this season like.

He was a decent appointment at the time. Just not 160k a week, wonít take no for an answer and when we can pretty much take our pick outside a select group

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 03, 2018, 10:28:06 PM
I think koeman was unlucky tbh. Fucked over with not getting a striker was massive. Especially when you knew lukaku was pretty much our only goalscorer.
A host of new signings which were always going to need bedding in. A horrific opening fixture list. I'm sure with our Europa exit, injured players returning and 2 quality attacking additions in january we would have been no worse off than now.

2 quality signings? Heíd still be insisting on Giroud from the golf course
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 03, 2018, 10:37:11 PM
Koeman wasn't unlucky at all. He was backed with big money. He fucked it up totally (along with others) to such an extent that our owner felt compelled to Allardyce us.

He's massively to blame. His football was increasingly dire, the signings (which he had a massive say in) were awful on the whole and his attitude was piss poor.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: TheRam on May 03, 2018, 10:43:19 PM
Really isn't much difference between Allardyce and Koeman.

I lost interest in watching us under Ronald Koeman last season.

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 11:08:59 PM
This is the problem with the technical directors though. Who's to blame for the signings?
What if Walsh kept saying don't panic Giroud is in the bag?
Who's to blame for the sigurdson drama to drag on well into the season?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 11:10:39 PM
I'm not saying he was the answer to us progressing to where we want to be. I just feel things could have gone differently for us if everything hadn't gone against him/us
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on May 03, 2018, 11:17:01 PM
I'm not saying he was the answer to us progressing to where we want to be. I just feel things could have gone differently for us if everything hadn't gone against him/us

Yeah, but the football was turgid once heíd got to Barkley, and Lukaku left.

Our performances against the better teams under Koeman were as toothless and lacking in threat and ideas as they have been under Allardyce.

The pressing he spoke of was rubbish as well, as he clearly didnít know how to coach it. 
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 04, 2018, 12:07:05 AM
I really believe Koeman was much of our problem in the transfer market. He was inept, had very few targets and insisted upon them regardless of value and Walsh was way too weak just to tell him to fuck off

Well shut of Koeman. He could barely be arsed for his 8m a year
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: gizzblue on May 04, 2018, 12:08:17 AM
The toxicity of the first game at home next season if  BFS is still here will be the worst thing since Mike Walkers shell suit .

Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on May 04, 2018, 12:35:35 AM
The toxicity of the first game at home next season if  BFS is still here will be the worst thing since Mike Walkers shell suit .



Wonít happen, Iím feeling extremely confident Sam is gone end of season.

I can understand the club donít want to just pull the rug out and fart in his face and get a load of Ďungrateful evertoní press that the fans have been getting instead.

End of the season, change in direction, so long and thanks for all the long balls.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: fubarruk on May 04, 2018, 12:46:13 AM
Won't happen, I'm feeling extremely confident Sam is gone end of season.

I can understand the club don't want to just pull the rug out and fart in his face and get a load of "ungrateful everton' press that the fans have been getting instead.

End of the season, change in direction, so long and thanks for all the long balls.
I'm starting to think the exact opposite, hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on May 04, 2018, 12:49:29 AM
I think koeman was unlucky tbh. Fucked over with not getting a striker was massive. Especially when you knew lukaku was pretty much our only goalscorer.
A host of new signings which were always going to need bedding in. A horrific opening fixture list. I'm sure with our Europa exit, injured players returning and 2 quality attacking additions in january we would have been no worse off than now.

unlucky lol
he was lucky to be given the job
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: BlueForYou on May 04, 2018, 01:05:28 AM
Here's to the next lucky one......................
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on May 04, 2018, 01:08:12 AM
The toxicity of the first game at home next season if  BFS is still here will be the worst thing since Mike Walkers shell suit .


how sad are you
before a ball is even kicked you will be banging the dead drum
2 wins and a good summer and only the haters will be with you
as you can see more and more are waking up to this crap every week

but you keep banging the fucking drum
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 04, 2018, 01:14:48 AM
Knew there was something rotten about Koeman when he signed. Arrived on a private jet to cut short his holiday and then fucked back off again on the goal course. He had no interest in Everton whatsoever. Allardyce the same, poorer version of Koeman just surprising he ain't fucked of to Dubai more often unless there was a purpose to the 'warm weather' training
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 01:29:07 AM
unlucky lol
he was lucky to be given the job

Well he got the job because he got Southampton into Europe.
What's your beloved fat Sam done to deserve his appointment?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Brownie on May 04, 2018, 01:30:01 AM
Well he got the job because he got Southampton into Europe.
What's your beloved fat Sam done to deserve his appointment?

He won the beer pong challenge in Magaluf that one year
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on May 04, 2018, 01:32:05 AM
Yeah, but the football was turgid once heíd got to Barkley, and Lukaku left.

Our performances against the better teams under Koeman were as toothless and lacking in threat and ideas as they have been under Allardyce.

The pressing he spoke of was rubbish as well, as he clearly didnít know how to coach it. 

The home games against the better 6 last season were all ok at worst and 4-0 at best.

Away we lacked ideas although should have won at Utd.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on May 04, 2018, 01:35:19 AM
The home games against the better 6 last season were all ok at worst and 4-0 at best.

Away we lacked ideas although should have won at Utd.

Yeah, I was talking about this season, though.

Without Barkley and Lukaku he seemed to have no attacking ideas at all.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: GLewis on May 04, 2018, 01:36:59 AM
Yeah, I was talking about this season, though.

Without Barkley and Lukaku he seemed to have no attacking ideas at all.

No think he got in a strop about the striker not being delivered, didnít spend enough time working out an alternative and they werent the fixtures to hide deficiencies and bumble through.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 01:39:58 AM
Yeah, I was talking about this season, though.

Without Barkley and Lukaku he seemed to have no attacking ideas at all.

Well he had to eat humble pie and play the only striker available in Niasse and try to get complete newbies Rooney, sigurdson, sandro, klaasen, vlasic all up to speed straight from the off in the fixture list from hell.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 01:43:23 AM
We massively missed Barry's presence in midfield as well. Theres zero character amongst what we have there now.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 04, 2018, 02:06:58 AM
Knew there was something rotten about Koeman when he signed. Arrived on a private jet to cut short his holiday and then fucked back off again on the goal course. He had no interest in Everton whatsoever. Allardyce the same, poorer version of Koeman just surprising he ain't fucked of to Dubai more often unless there was a purpose to the 'warm weather' training

Heís really not the same. Iíve never heard anyone question his work ethic before. I really donít get why people feel the need to accuse him of absolutely everything
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on May 04, 2018, 02:11:37 AM
Well he got the job because he got Southampton into Europe.
What's your beloved fat Sam done to deserve his appointment?

Koeman not fat aswell
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 02:16:44 AM
Koeman not fat aswell

That your best answer?
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on May 04, 2018, 02:20:17 AM
That your best answer?

am I wrong
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on May 04, 2018, 02:21:07 AM
Baningime Pens New Everton Deal under Big Sam
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: sam of the south on May 04, 2018, 02:25:56 AM
Baningime Pens New Everton Deal under Big Sam

Mustíve been hard to manoevre the pen under that bulk
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 02:28:07 AM
Just needs to be 'Baningime pens new deal'
No need to mention pork chop
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 04, 2018, 02:30:08 AM
Baningime Pens New Everton Deal under Big Sam
I've changed my mind. I'm willing to watch anti football, no attacking intent and defending till 5 mins to go now he has given a prospect who unsworth brought through and Allardyce barely used a contract

Long live big Sam
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on May 04, 2018, 02:59:08 AM
I've changed my mind. I'm willing to watch anti football, no attacking intent and defending till 5 mins to go now he has given a prospect who unsworth brought through and Allardyce barely used a contract

Long live big Sam

well if you watching the match tonight you will see defending deep by a manager most in here would take in a heart beat

Lookman wants to leave the club its all Big Sam , Benny wants to stay its got fuck all to do with Sam

they say love is blind I say its hate that's blind

jimmy tell me how is that manager at Swansea City doing you still think we should have went for him
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: brap2 on May 04, 2018, 03:23:22 AM
...under big Sam

Haha top posts that
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 04, 2018, 03:23:23 AM
well if you watching the match tonight you will see defending deep by a manager most in here would take in a heart beat

Lookman wants to leave the club its all Big Sam , Benny wants to stay its got fuck all to do with Sam

they say love is blind I say its hate that's blind

jimmy tell me how is that manager at Swansea City doing you still think we should have went for him

In order to at least partially justify this tone of smugness and condescension that you carry (rich, coming from me), you have to be able to back it up with insight or some interesting comments, and you fail almost every time, on almost every level.

Not many things worse than smug, stupid people.
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 04, 2018, 03:24:34 AM
well if you watching the match tonight you will see defending deep by a manager most in here would take in a heart beat

Lookman wants to leave the club its all Big Sam , Benny wants to stay its got fuck all to do with Sam

they say love is blind I say its hate that's blind

jimmy tell me how is that manager at Swansea City doing you still think we should have went for him
Cavahal? Fuck no
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: bogie on May 04, 2018, 03:27:28 AM
In order to at least partially justify this tone of smugness and condescension that you carry (rich, coming from me), you have to be able to back it up with insight or some interesting comments, and you fail almost every time, on almost every level.

Not many things worse than smug, stupid people.

that last bit lol you really need to take note of that
Title: Re: Do you want Sam Allardyce to be Everton manager next season?
Post by: Alanvideo on May 04, 2018, 03:34:08 AM