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Title: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 04, 2018, 03:23:42 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11316202/psv-technical-director-marcel-brands-to-join-everton
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Blue Lagoon on April 04, 2018, 03:25:56 PM
Thatíll be Walsh gone
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 04, 2018, 03:26:17 PM
Boss.

Looks like this is done then.

Have to also assume this spells the end of Allardyce.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Blue Lagoon on April 04, 2018, 03:33:36 PM


Have to also assume this spells the end of Allardyce.
Youíd imagine so wouldnít you. I just donít want to get my hopes up just yet!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 04, 2018, 03:37:29 PM
Jesus, omnipresent this guy isn' the:

Quote
The 55-year old Dutchman is represented by agent Mino Raiola and Everton's owner Farhad Moshiri believes the pair could help them land the talent to make them a top-four Premier League team.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 04, 2018, 03:38:52 PM
Thatís Lukakuís agent, isnít it?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 04, 2018, 03:39:12 PM
Reading that article sounds like Mosh may be giving Raiola a nice brown envelope under the table ďto help make Everton a top four teamĒ
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 04, 2018, 03:39:35 PM
He is due to join the club at the end of the month according to this article, so you would think/hope that this is to give him time to start the planning for the summer including the search/negotiations for a new manager.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 04, 2018, 03:39:44 PM
Excellent news, do one Walsh and fuck off Allardyce
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 04, 2018, 03:48:34 PM
What did I say about the potential signing of Fabra? Obviously my Maths is not as bad as I thought
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 04, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
Decent news
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on April 04, 2018, 04:36:18 PM
I think there's a lot that goes on behind doors between us and Raiola. Sensible money would be a manager he represents also coming in over the summer. Whathisface at Wolves is one, as I think Silva might be?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 04, 2018, 04:38:25 PM
Sensible to get him in now so we don't have another write off of a summer.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: alexb on April 04, 2018, 04:42:36 PM
That lovely feeling of optimism has been washed away :(

https://twitter.com/marcotimmer/status/981459462711111681
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheTone on April 04, 2018, 04:49:10 PM
That lovely feeling of optimism has been washed away :(

https://twitter.com/marcotimmer/status/981459462711111681

I'll have a go at translating that

oof, sky sports are a bunch of melts and there's no interest in big Marcel

tweet of the week that like

big brands got a blowjob at PSV once
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on April 04, 2018, 04:53:29 PM
That lovely feeling of optimism has been washed away :(

https://twitter.com/marcotimmer/status/981459462711111681

Sky Sports is now also reporting interest in Marcel Brands! My tweet from last week remains in effect. No one has yet reported for Brands at #PSV.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 04, 2018, 05:00:05 PM
Yeah, his first tweet is saying that PSV have told him nobody has approached Brands.

But that means nobody has approached Brands via them.
Thankfully he doesn't have a master manipulator of an agent - maybe they've been advised he is 99.99% sure to stay at PSV in the summer?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 04, 2018, 05:01:35 PM
I think there's a lot that goes on behind doors between us and Raiola. Sensible money would be a manager he represents also coming in over the summer. Whathisface at Wolves is one, as I think Silva might be?

Mendes is the agent at Wolves I think, we were in negotiations with him over Fonseca too? But its a good point, it appears you have to get in bed with the devil if you want to get anywhere.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 04, 2018, 05:03:23 PM
Brands has a good record of signing young players and selling them for a big profit, can see us taking Raiola's younger players and signing them to long-term deals with a high release clause?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 04, 2018, 05:16:14 PM
Brands has a good record of signing young players and selling them for a big profit, can see us taking Raiola's younger players and signing them to long-term deals with a high release clause?

Works for everyone.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 04, 2018, 05:19:08 PM
Brands has a good record of signing young players and selling them for a big profit, can see us taking Raiola's younger players and signing them to long-term deals with a high release clause?

Just for information but here are some of the young players signed with Raiola.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mino-raiola/beraterfirma/berater/282
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 04, 2018, 05:22:57 PM
https://twitter.com/pbsportswriter/status/981464601127776256
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on April 04, 2018, 05:26:21 PM
https://twitter.com/pbsportswriter/status/981464601127776256
Like him already 😅
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on April 04, 2018, 05:45:04 PM
I want this to happen right now. So badly. Fuck waiting.

Fuck off Walsh and Allardyce
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 04, 2018, 05:53:32 PM
Encouraging.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 04, 2018, 06:09:53 PM
Just for information but here are some of the young players signed with Raiola.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mino-raiola/beraterfirma/berater/282

Balotelli  :bonk:

Looking at a return to the Prem.... no transfer fee, so bigger signing on fee/wages and better cut for the agent.... not that I think agents are only ever interested in money....
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 04, 2018, 06:46:54 PM
Just for information but here are some of the young players signed with Raiola.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mino-raiola/beraterfirma/berater/282

I'll take Kean, Kluivert and Pellegrini for starters.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 04, 2018, 07:52:28 PM
What did I say about the potential signing of Fabra? Obviously my Maths is not as bad as I thought

Don't count your chickens yet!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 04, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
Best news I could have possibly heard all day.

Made up, get the dinosaurs Allardyce and Walsh out sharpish.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on April 04, 2018, 11:12:42 PM
Not as nailed on as Sky make it look as according to reports here PSV have not been approached officially yet! BUT!!!!! According to a friend who has contacts at PSV they are preparing for him to leave and are considering promoting John de Jong as his replacement! I really hope this comes off as Brands is a massive improvement on what we have at the club now! I also cannot see him working with Allardyce, so that also gives me hope!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 04, 2018, 11:43:00 PM
Great news. Even though we have very limited facts and itís hard to apportion blame, itís clear Walsh isnít working out. Fresh start and hopefully a new manager and some good signings coming through the door soon.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on April 04, 2018, 11:50:33 PM
Knowing us, we'll end up with fucking Russell Brand.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 04, 2018, 11:56:26 PM
Knowing us, we'll end up with fucking Russell Brand.

Or end up fucking Russell Brand.

Ah, why not, every other slag has
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 05, 2018, 02:39:12 PM
Iím freelancing at a Dutch company at present and there is a super knowledgeable guy who talks a lot about football. I mentioned the rumor and he said that it has been in the Dutch press too, he says that Brands has a good scouting network in Central and South America and finds good players from Mexico and Columbia.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 05, 2018, 02:55:20 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-retain-marcel-brands-interest-14492403

I don't know how true this is, but it doesn't sound promising with regards to a 'summer of sweeping changes'.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 05, 2018, 03:07:34 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-retain-marcel-brands-interest-14492403

I don't know how true this is, but it doesn't sound promising with regards to a 'summer of sweeping changes'.

I was in favour of keeping one (Walsh) for a year and sacking the other (Allardyce) to allow for a bit of continuity. Giving Walsh the benefit of the doubt as most of his signings were probably the right call at the time.

That article makes it sound like we are keeping one & sacking one in the summer, but arse about tit and Allardyce is the one staying.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cassius on April 05, 2018, 03:19:25 PM
Iím freelancing at a Dutch company at present and there is a super knowledgeable guy who talks a lot about football. I mentioned the rumor and he said that it has been in the Dutch press too, he says that Brands has a good scouting network in Central and South America and finds good players from Mexico and Columbia.

Not many Mexican or Columbian players have made it in the Prem, have they? Doesn't seem to suit their style. Not that I'm playing Brands down or anything.

I was in favour of keeping one (Walsh) for a year and sacking the other (Allardyce) to allow for a bit of continuity. Giving Walsh the benefit of the doubt as most of his signings were probably the right call at the time.

That article makes it sound like we are keeping one & sacking one in the summer, but arse about tit and Allardyce is the one staying.

Isn't the DoF's objectives to decide the fate of the manager?

I hope the club have decided to give the job to Brands now and give him the rest of the season to evaluate the health of the club, the squad, understand its strengths and weaknesses and then decide that Sam is a calamity and then fire him as soon as the whistle blows on this clusterfuck of a season.

That removes Moshiri from the process and he can say it was the new guy implementing his regime.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 05, 2018, 03:31:35 PM
Just to play devils advocate, and I hope Iím wrong as I donít know anything about Brands, but As heís familiar with the Dutch league and the Dutch players would that not make him more likely to sign players such as Klaassen and others heís been working with. Just a thought like.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 05, 2018, 03:33:24 PM
Regardless of how Klaassen has (or hasn't) done this season, it wouldn't put me off looking to bring over players from Holland. Hirving Lozano, Hakim Zayech, De Ligt, Dolberg; there is quality there.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 05, 2018, 03:46:41 PM
Just to play devils advocate, and I hope Iím wrong as I donít know anything about Brands, but As heís familiar with the Dutch league and the Dutch players would that not make him more likely to sign players such as Klaassen and others heís been working with. Just a thought like.

I honestly donít think that we will ever find out how good/bad Klaasen is untill he is given the opportunity to play in position within a system that works, personally hope he is kept on and given a chance with a new manager in a structured pre season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 05, 2018, 04:06:06 PM
Just to play devils advocate, and I hope Iím wrong as I donít know anything about Brands, but As heís familiar with the Dutch league and the Dutch players would that not make him more likely to sign players such as Klaassen and others heís been working with. Just a thought like.

By all accounts he favours South American players
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueMaquis on April 05, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
By all accounts he favours South American players

Hmm... would most of us rather Heitinga and Klaassen or Oviedo and Funes Mori?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 05, 2018, 04:16:37 PM
Hmm... would most of us rather Heitinga and Klaassen or Oviedo and Funes Mori?
Cruyf and Van Basten or Maradona and Socratese
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 05, 2018, 04:16:46 PM
Or maybe Van Persie or  Bergkamp or Arden Robbin or Rudd Gullit or Van Nistelroy or..or... a Koeman !
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 05, 2018, 04:42:55 PM
Iím freelancing at a Dutch company at present and there is a super knowledgeable guy who talks a lot about football. I mentioned the rumor and he said that it has been in the Dutch press too, he says that Brands has a good scouting network in Central and South America and finds good players from Mexico and Columbia.

Mexico and Colombia you say?!

Jose Baxter is already preparing his CV for a new scouting job
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 05, 2018, 04:52:06 PM
Hmm... would most of us rather Heitinga and Klaassen or Oviedo and Funes Mori?

Heitinga was our player of the season and made it to a World Cup final, we havent had an Everton player in that for over 50 years.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 05, 2018, 05:36:49 PM
So the Echo reporting that his imminent arrival is s bit far from the mark.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 05, 2018, 05:45:18 PM
So the Echo reporting that his imminent arrival is s bit far from the mark.

I don't believe much the echo posts anymore tbh
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 05, 2018, 05:50:27 PM
The Echo are confirming everything that has been said in here (Sky say it's on, PSV say they've not heard anything), but then go on to add their own spin/info:

PSV have heard nothing as we have not approached them, however Brands is on our radar and a decision will be made if/when he becomes available.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 05, 2018, 05:50:28 PM
So the Echo reporting that his imminent arrival is s bit far from the mark.

If it doesn't involve the RS then it's not worth printing
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 05, 2018, 06:54:40 PM
Hoping for a major shake up this summer. Been quite depressing swimming with the bottom feeders this season.players from moyes, martinez and koeman era. From young boys to guys getting on more my age. Serious stuff needs to happen
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 05, 2018, 07:05:18 PM
Trust this isn't a Brands Hatchet job - be good to speed this one through
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 05, 2018, 07:11:44 PM
Trust this isn't a Brands Hatchet job - be good to speed this one through

Not upto your normal standard. Can you write only in haikus from now on please?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 05, 2018, 07:19:47 PM
Haiku?

To con-vey one's mood
In sev-en-teen syll-able-s
Is ve-ry dif-fic

Not very good at that, either!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 05, 2018, 10:35:44 PM
Blue for you?

More like poo for you

Lol
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 05, 2018, 10:50:46 PM
Lol for you!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 06, 2018, 12:14:47 AM
Blue For You
Was good
Status Quo
Record
Still is
And sold many
Haiku
You are welcome!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 06, 2018, 12:45:15 AM
Well done!

A Frantic Four-de-Force!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plowman2 on April 06, 2018, 02:07:14 AM
Regardless of how Klaassen has (or hasn't) done this season, it wouldn't put me off looking to bring over players from Holland. Hirving Lozano, Hakim Zayech, De Ligt, Dolberg; there is quality there.


Hakim Zayech is class.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 06, 2018, 02:52:34 AM
Iím freelancing at a Dutch company at present and there is a super knowledgeable guy who talks a lot about football. I mentioned the rumour and he said that it has been in the Dutch press too, he says that Brands has a good scouting network in Central and South America and finds good players from Mexico and Columbia.

I'm guessing he was talking about these two in particular:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hirving-lozano/profil/spieler/316889


https://www.transfermarkt.com/santiago-arias/profil/spieler/120443




Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 06, 2018, 06:05:29 AM
Seen a few less than congratulatory tweets re the brands stuff I.e we look like weíre taking another blind punt with no strategy and also that weíre hiring someone who potentially comes with raiola shaped baggage.

Frankly, I thought Walsh was a good move. Then we hired Charlie reeves the data guy from forest green, (who by the way (a) lists his job title on twitter as Ďconditional formattingí which makes me think heís not feeling particularly challenged or taken seriously in his role and (b) is a massive red who used to hve a coutinho account, and regularly likes Liverpool shite on twitter. Which annoys me no end.) and I thought that was a good sign.

We know different now, and maybe there will be more shakeups to come, but on reflection we probably are doing the same thing again arenít we - buying an expensive pair of dangly dice when the engine is dragging on the road behind us.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 06, 2018, 07:40:16 AM
From Dominic King

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5583847/Everton-weigh-potential-partnership-Marcel-Brands-Steve-Walsh.html
Title: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on April 06, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
"Everton weigh up backroom clusterfuck.Ē
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 06, 2018, 09:55:34 AM
From Dominic King

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5583847/Everton-weigh-potential-partnership-Marcel-Brands-Steve-Walsh.html
Obviously Moshiri seen Koeman as the main problem and not Walsh
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 06, 2018, 02:01:01 PM
The same article confirms that Elstone will leave at the end of the season. Seems a strange time to go just when the club is starting a major project and he was appointed to the board last year . I assume he will stand down from the board too.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 06, 2018, 02:16:26 PM
"Everton weigh up backroom clusterfuck.Ē

Are you in the same boat here, a bit worried?

I mean - I think I do still want Brands because heís signed some great players in the past and the reviews have been good, but Walsh was off the back of an incredible league win powered by Kante, Vardy and Mahrez, and all reports were extremely positive too.

I dunno, I donít think we can afford for things to get worse than they are now, so whatever move they do make it needs to be the right one with long term planning in place, not relying on raiola to sign players who are above our current position...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on April 06, 2018, 02:28:30 PM
I dunno, I don’t think we can afford for things to get worse than they are now, so whatever move they do make it needs to be the right one with long term planning in place, not relying on raiola to sign players who are above our current position...

Not sure they can get much worse can they?...I think they could work well together but only if we have the right manager in playing the right football and highlighting the areas needed to strengthen.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 06, 2018, 02:41:55 PM
Not sure they can get much worse can they?...I think they could work well together but only if we have the right manager in playing the right football and highlighting the areas needed to strengthen.

I would say if weíre starting rooney and Morgan in CM next year then we are in a lot of trouble.

I genuinely think we were nearly dragged into it this year, and I know weíve ended up safe and probably inside the top 10, but there literally by the grace of god imo.

If we get worse next year we will be in very bad shape, not to mention what the fans will be like after nearly 5 years of abject failure and listless drifting.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 06, 2018, 02:43:01 PM
I'm really struggling to care about anything Everton do lately
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 06, 2018, 02:43:37 PM
Are you in the same boat here, a bit worried?

I mean - I think I do still want Brands because heís signed some great players in the past and the reviews have been good, but Walsh was off the back of an incredible league win powered by Kante, Vardy and Mahrez, and all reports were extremely positive too.

I dunno, I donít think we can afford for things to get worse than they are now, so whatever move they do make it needs to be the right one with long term planning in place, not relying on raiola to sign players who are above our current position...

Yeah, it sounds like we still haven't decided what the fuck we want. Let's chuck another cook into the mix, rather than maybe streamlining it back again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 06, 2018, 02:46:47 PM
Allardyce is staying.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 06, 2018, 02:51:41 PM
Allardyce is staying.

Stop it you tease  :wag:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 06, 2018, 03:31:24 PM
Allardyce is staying.

Seamus the latest player to be singing Allardyceís praise on the O.S. Thatís, Jags, Keane, Gana and Rooney that have now done that, whatís going on ?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 06, 2018, 03:33:26 PM
Seamus the latest player to be singing Allardyce's praise on the O.S. That's, Jags, Keane, Gana and Rooney that have now done that, what's going on ?
They all said the same about Koeman and Rhino and look what happened there, donít read too much into it mate
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 06, 2018, 03:37:14 PM
Most people in the game seem to like Allardyce. It's only the fans of the clubs he is at that hate him (except Sunderland and Bolton fans - they all think he is good).

RE: Brands/Walsh
I was never convinced about Walsh, signing 3 players in a 4 year period (12 for Vardy, 14 for Mahrez & 15 for Kante) out of an interupted 10 years at Leicester didn't strike me as impressive as people were saying.

Although, he was the guy who scouted out Drogba for Chelsea as well.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 06, 2018, 03:50:48 PM
Allardyce is staying.

That would be insane.

But I can see it happening.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 06, 2018, 04:03:01 PM
They all said the same about Koeman and Rhino and look what happened there, don’t read too much into it mate
..............exactly. Players aren't going to say Sam is a shithouse on the OS of the club paying their salary
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 06, 2018, 04:11:04 PM
Allardyce is staying.

Would fuck it off personally. Keep an eye on the scores and watch it occasionally, but it would write off next year for me tbh
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 06, 2018, 04:12:57 PM
Would fuck it off personally. Keep an eye on the scores and watch it occasionally, but it would write off next year for me tbh


We'll be hitting below 30k by December.

It's the sensible choice though.

Keep him for another year and avoid another massive pay off.

Moshiri really has fucked this massively.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 06, 2018, 04:17:37 PM
Allardyce is staying.

No chance, Moshiri has made mistakes but he knows Allardyce is wrong for the club, brought him in cos he panicked, hes done what was expected, will be fucked off in the summer for an ambitious, young hungry manager
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 06, 2018, 04:22:46 PM

We'll be hitting below 30k by December.

It's the sensible choice though.

Keep him for another year and avoid another massive pay off.

Moshiri really has fucked this massively.

Im not travelling a few hundred miles to watch that s**t thats for sure. Look at the rest of the leagues approach to games, its about attacking free flowing football, particularly those above us, our approach is to stink the place out with negativity and hope it gets us somewhere. If he stays beyond the end of the season it tells you all you need to know about Moshiris plans!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 06, 2018, 04:30:42 PM
No chance, Moshiri has made mistakes but he knows Allardyce is wrong for the club, brought him in cos he panicked, hes done what was expected, will be fucked off in the summer for an ambitious, young hungry manager

He's a business man.

He'll see the outlay we already have paying off Koeman and Martinez and look at that when it comes to Sam.

He'll see someone who's stabilised us, worked well in the market, with one year left on his deal to work with the squad.

To get rid of him would cost him another 6mil, and risk the stability that's been brought in.

I want him gone as much as anyone but it'll come down to a business decision at the end of the day and the right business decision is to just keep him for the duration of his deal.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 06, 2018, 04:38:03 PM
Bringing in another DoF to work with the current DoF would be ridiculous.

I can definitely see Moshiri doing that.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 06, 2018, 04:44:56 PM
He's a business man.

He'll see the outlay we already have paying off Koeman and Martinez and look at that when it comes to Sam.

He'll see someone who's stabilised us, worked well in the market, with one year left on his deal to work with the squad.

To get rid of him would cost him another 6mil, and risk the stability that's been brought in.

I want him gone as much as anyone but it'll come down to a business decision at the end of the day and the right business decision is to just keep him for the duration of his deal.

I get what your saying but I dont see it, if hes committed to making us top 4 contenders (which im still to be convinced of) treading water with Allardyce is going to do nothing to aid that. Fans are already frustrated with him and voice that on a regular occurrence and the last thing he wants is fans not turning up, especially as were looking at expanding our capacity at a new stadium .
There also in excess of a 10 million difference between finish 9th/10th to 5th/6th in the league and id argue we'd struggle to improve much on where we are under Sam so is 6 million a big outlay to get rid, or is it 6 million well spent if the next manager does deliver us a higher position? This summer comes down to Moshiris ambition and what he wants to see on the pitch, if his dull mediocrity we stay as we are, I hope we see something different.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on April 06, 2018, 04:47:15 PM
Would feel a lot happier if we just got rid and started from scratch next season. Allardyce, Elstone, Kenwright and Walsh shown the door, replaced by Fonseca, Brands. Out with the old in with the new.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 06, 2018, 05:29:09 PM
Allardyce staying would drain most of - if not all of - my enthusiasm for next season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 06, 2018, 05:44:48 PM
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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 06, 2018, 06:55:35 PM
Allardyce staying would drain most of - if not all of - my enthusiasm for next season.
Dan, forget about the 55.000 complicity we only need 25 to 30 thousand now that Sams staying
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on April 06, 2018, 06:57:51 PM
Are you in the same boat here, a bit worried?

It depends.

If we're clearing out Walsh and Allardyce and looking to rebuild from the top down, I'm fine with it. I don't know enough about Brands to feel any sort of confidence in the move but he's a better fit than Walsh in the sense that his background isn't just in scouting.

If we're bringing Brands in to work alongside Walsh... then I'm worried. I already think we have too many people pulling in too many directions. Adding another one isn't going to make things any better. We need some organization and calm behind the scenes. Throwing another director of football into the ring accomplishes neither of those things.

Short version: I don't think we'll see better results on the pitch until we get everyone at the club pulling in the same direction, in the boardroom and on the footballing side of things. If Brands is a step in that direction, great. If not, what's the point?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluenose 91 on April 06, 2018, 07:08:34 PM
Surely this fella wouldn't even come here if he had to work alongside Walsh?

Could see it if Walsh gets demoted to just a scout or something but we aren't going to have two DoF's surely?!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cassius on April 06, 2018, 07:53:00 PM
He's a business man.

He'll see the outlay we already have paying off Koeman and Martinez and look at that when it comes to Sam.

He'll see someone who's stabilised us, worked well in the market, with one year left on his deal to work with the squad.

To get rid of him would cost him another 6mil, and risk the stability that's been brought in.

I want him gone as much as anyone but it'll come down to a business decision at the end of the day and the right business decision is to just keep him for the duration of his deal.

As a businessman, hitting 30k attendances by December and losing revenue and enthusiasm from a disenfranchised support might be more than £6m. I can't be arsed to work it out or do the maths to see if that's the case.

I don't think any sort of pay off will concern Moshiri.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on April 06, 2018, 07:56:17 PM
'Working alongside' could mean anything, chill yer boots!

Could easily mean Brands comes in as Director of Football and Walsh becomes Director of recruitment or something like a glorified chief scout
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 06, 2018, 08:00:05 PM
As a businessman, hitting 30k attendances by December and losing revenue and enthusiasm from a disenfranchised support might be more than £6m. I can't be arsed to work it out or do the maths to see if that's the case.

I don't think any sort of pay off will concern Moshiri.

I doubt there will be a massive pay off anyway, he will get his bonus and that will be that
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 06, 2018, 08:23:00 PM
Have to say, I am getting a little worried with all these whispers and rumours about Allardyce staying. Much less convinced that he's going than I was.

And that'll also be me fucking next season off altogether.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 06, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
Have to say, I am getting a little worried with all these whispers and rumours about Allardyce staying. Much less convinced that he's going than I was.

And that'll also be me fucking next season off altogether.
Ive renewed but I cant see me going a game if he stays
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 06, 2018, 08:48:06 PM
In Moshiri's eyes, what makes you think Allardyce won't stay?

For now, concentrate on him not getting an extended contract renewal
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 06, 2018, 08:52:58 PM
It depends.

If we're clearing out Walsh and Allardyce and looking to rebuild from the top down, I'm fine with it. I don't know enough about Brands to feel any sort of confidence in the move but he's a better fit than Walsh in the sense that his background isn't just in scouting.

If we're bringing Brands in to work alongside Walsh... then I'm worried. I already think we have too many people pulling in too many directions. Adding another one isn't going to make things any better. We need some organization and calm behind the scenes. Throwing another director of football into the ring accomplishes neither of those things.

Short version: I don't think we'll see better results on the pitch until we get everyone at the club pulling in the same direction, in the boardroom and on the footballing side of things. If Brands is a step in that direction, great. If not, what's the point?

To not get rid of Walsh and Allardyce, root and branch, is to ignore the basics of the "sunk cost fallacy" economics lesson.  Surely a businessman like Moshiri couldn't be that stupid/blind?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 06, 2018, 09:01:06 PM
To not get rid of Walsh and Allardyce, root and branch, is to ignore the basics of the "sunk cost fallacy" economics lesson.  Surely a businessman like Moshiri couldn't be that stupid/blind?

I think he might be a bit handstand, mate.

The Jim White stuff, the Lukaku voodoo thing (even if it happened, keep it to yourself) the Koeman and Allardyce fanboy shit.

Iím getting a feeling that he very much lucked out by becoming the accountant of the right guy.

Just because heís a good accountant doesnít make him an ace businessman.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on April 07, 2018, 12:23:21 AM
I think he might be a bit handstand, mate.

The Jim White stuff, the Lukaku voodoo thing (even if it happened, keep it to yourself) the Koeman and Allardyce fanboy shit.

Iím getting a feeling that he very much lucked out by becoming the accountant of the right guy.

Just because heís a good accountant doesnít make him an ace businessman.

Meh, I really don't know if he's a good businessman. I don't really think any of us do. Financially so far we can't complain what he's done for the club.

Is he being taken for a ride when it comes to the on field areas of a football club? I'd have to say probably, yes. All we can hope for is that he learns from the past 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 07, 2018, 01:13:21 AM
Meh, I really don't know if he's a good businessman. I don't really think any of us do. Financially so far we can't complain what he's done for the club.

Is he being taken for a ride when it comes to the on field areas of a football club? I'd have to say probably, yes. All we can hope for is that he learns from the past 2 seasons.

Theyíve all been his choices, though, mate.

So, based on the decisions that heís made thus far the jury is still out.

If he pulls off Bramley Moore successfully, bins Allardyce, gets in a coach like Fonseca, and brings in Brands who hits the ground running and works with or without Walsh, then my hat goes off to him.

Currently though my cap stays on, messing up my barnet.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Danny on April 07, 2018, 01:33:42 AM
I'll probably forgive most things if the stadium is everything we all hope it'll be, even if we just ended up in 10th for the next few seasons it would be worth it in the long run.

What we desperately need to avoid is a West Ham situation where we get a shit stadium, Goodison gets knocked down and Moshiri tries to sell us on to someone else looking to get a piece of the premier league pie.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 07, 2018, 01:39:11 AM
I'll probably forgive most things if the stadium is everything we all hope it'll be, even if we just ended up in 10th for the next few seasons it would be worth it in the long run.

What we desperately need to avoid is a West Ham situation where we get a shit stadium, Goodison gets knocked down and Moshiri tries to sell us on to someone else looking to get a piece of the premier league pie.

Unless that someone else is Usmanov
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Danny on April 07, 2018, 01:42:14 AM
Unless that someone else is Usmanov

Even if he was, if we get the stadium move wrong were stuck with it for 50 years.

Desperately hoping we get it right, it's looking really positive so far.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 07, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Even if he was, if we get the stadium move wrong were stuck with it for 50 years.

Desperately hoping we get it right, it's looking really positive so far.

I want both.

A kick arse stadium and a really rich, ambitous owner.

Oh, and world peace ✌🏼
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 07, 2018, 05:13:02 AM
No need to worry about the stadium Moshiri has brought onboard an expert for this kind of thing..






....ĒI hate that duck!Ē
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 07, 2018, 07:48:40 AM
Ill forgive Moshiri for a lot of things, if im ever annoyed at him or think he isnt doing whats right i just remember the summer we sold Arteta and loaned Strac and Drenthe. After selling Pienaar the Window prior.


Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 07, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
I'm really struggling to care about anything Everton do lately

This x10000

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dangermouse on April 07, 2018, 04:54:51 PM
Are you in the same boat here, a bit worried?

I mean - I think I do still want Brands because he's signed some great players in the past and the reviews have been good, but Walsh was off the back of an incredible league win powered by Kante, Vardy and Mahrez, and all reports were extremely positive too.

I dunno, I don't think we can afford for things to get worse than they are now, so whatever move they do make it needs to be the right one with long term planning in place, not relying on raiola to sign players who are above our current position...

Actively seeking a replacement so publicly is a sure fire way of loosing any case in an employment tribunal.
Much better to say partnership and hope Walsh realises heís not wanted leaving of his own accord. Iíd imagine Everton would still end up having to pay up as thatís constructive dismissal... worth a try though haha.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 07, 2018, 04:55:25 PM
Itís hard to be enthusiastic about anything around the club and it has been for a long long while barring the odd false down or promised then missed opportunity

Whatís our highlights since 1995 FA Cup win?? A 4th place that then promptly saw us knocked out of the champions league and humiliated in the Europa League without even trying to build a squad that could compete
A fifth place under Martinez promptly followed by the realisation he was a lunatic
Moshiri coming in and wasting a couple of 100 million on proven not quite good enough

Itís painful being a blue. An endless cycle of shite and false hope. Very little faith in anyone at the club. Ownersí manager, director of football, the players. From the best of them to the worst of them they are all short of what we need

Honestly been losing interest in football for a few years now. First time I havenít been arsed to watch Everton every week though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 07, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
Itís hard to be enthusiastic about anything around the club and it has been for a long long while barring the odd false down or promised then missed opportunity

Whatís our highlights since 1995 FA Cup win?? A 4th place that then promptly saw us knocked out of the champions league and humiliated in the Europa League without even trying to build a squad that could compete
A fifth place under Martinez promptly followed by the realisation he was a lunatic
Moshiri coming in and wasting a couple of 100 million on proven not quite good enough

Itís painful being a blue. An endless cycle of shite and false hope. Very little faith in anyone at the club. Ownersí manager, director of football, the players. From the best of them to the worst of them they are all short of what we need

Honestly been losing interest in football for a few years now. First time I havenít been arsed to watch Everton every week though

Yeah, it's not been great, but then a lot of other clubs have suffered a lot, lot worse than us. So we need to keep things in perspective a bit, and not be so miserablist.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 07, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
Yeah, it's not been great, but then a lot of other clubs have suffered a lot, lot worse than us. So we need to keep things in perspective a bit, and not be so miserablist.

I think itís almost made worse by the fact that we are kind of stuck. We have no highs or lows. We are just kind of stuck 7-10th every season without really much hope of going up or down. I can honestly see us finishing top 10 for the next 20 years but never top 4. Itís weird because like you say relative to most we are extremely successful. Itís just bloody boring too

Itís the hope and then failure to capitalise thatís killed me. Kings Dock at a time we could have ended up where City are had we got that right. Champions league only to then not buy any players. Now this with Moshiri. Itís not so much weíve signed the wrong players itís the lack of ambition in them signings. We had to show imagination and take some risks. We just seemed determined to cement our place on the outside with what we signed

Obviously allardyce hasnít been great. I do think heís carried too much of the weight for us being shit though. Not helped himself by biting and talking a lot of nonsense in response to it though. We need a new manager but do we have faith we have anyone qualified to decide who that should be. Probably need a new director of football too. In terms of finances we are still behind the 6 above us so we need the guy from arsenal to come in and take over from Moshiri. Then unfortunately we need to find 2 or 3 genuine world class players because all the top 6 have at least that.
It just feels that we are a little short everywhere. Very little to pin our hopes to. We need to find ourselves a hero. Just 1 really exciting player for us to get behind

Think they all fell a little short of what we dreamed but weíve gone from having Barkley, lukaku, stones and del who people could make a genuine genuine argument for 1 day being top top players to a few who might have decent premier league careers

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 09, 2018, 12:02:36 AM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/983017562530304000
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 09, 2018, 12:30:31 AM
I think itís almost made worse by the fact that we are kind of stuck. We have no highs or lows. We are just kind of stuck 7-10th every season without really much hope of going up or down. I can honestly see us finishing top 10 for the next 20 years but never top 4. Itís weird because like you say relative to most we are extremely successful. Itís just bloody boring too

Itís the hope and then failure to capitalise thatís killed me. Kings Dock at a time we could have ended up where City are had we got that right. Champions league only to then not buy any players. Now this with Moshiri. Itís not so much weíve signed the wrong players itís the lack of ambition in them signings. We had to show imagination and take some risks. We just seemed determined to cement our place on the outside with what we signed

Obviously allardyce hasnít been great. I do think heís carried too much of the weight for us being shit though. Not helped himself by biting and talking a lot of nonsense in response to it though. We need a new manager but do we have faith we have anyone qualified to decide who that should be. Probably need a new director of football too. In terms of finances we are still behind the 6 above us so we need the guy from arsenal to come in and take over from Moshiri. Then unfortunately we need to find 2 or 3 genuine world class players because all the top 6 have at least that.
It just feels that we are a little short everywhere. Very little to pin our hopes to. We need to find ourselves a hero. Just 1 really exciting player for us to get behind

Think they all fell a little short of what we dreamed but weíve gone from having Barkley, lukaku, stones and del who people could make a genuine genuine argument for 1 day being top top players to a few who might have decent premier league careers


I thought your post was quite level headed until the word Del ,lost interest and belief then.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 09, 2018, 01:05:28 AM
I thought your post was quite level headed until the word Del ,lost interest and belief then.

I donít rate him at all but he came with a massive reputation and lots still do. Donít think we have anyone now any of us really believe we go to the very top
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 09, 2018, 02:09:10 AM
To add to @Macca77 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1930) post earlier - Alan Myers seems quite confident in this tweet from earlier this evening.

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/983038153941553154


Sky Sports reporting as much also.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11323347/everton-approach-for-psv-director-of-football-marcel-brands-confirmed-by-dutch-side
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 09, 2018, 02:37:48 AM
Good read this

http://inbedwithmaradona.com/journal/2016/3/28/unity-is-strength-marcel-brands-and-psv
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ari on April 09, 2018, 03:34:08 AM
Boss.

Looks like this is done then.

Have to also assume this spells the end of Allardyce.

You didn't expect HIM to be DOF?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on April 09, 2018, 03:48:15 AM
Itís hard to be enthusiastic about anything around the club and it has been for a long long while barring the odd false down or promised then missed opportunity

Whatís our highlights since 1995 FA Cup win?? A 4th place that then promptly saw us knocked out of the champions league and humiliated in the Europa League without even trying to build a squad that could compete
A fifth place under Martinez promptly followed by the realisation he was a lunatic
Moshiri coming in and wasting a couple of 100 million on proven not quite good enough

Itís painful being a blue. An endless cycle of shite and false hope. Very little faith in anyone at the club. Ownersí manager, director of football, the players. From the best of them to the worst of them they are all short of what we need

Honestly been losing interest in football for a few years now. First time I havenít been arsed to watch Everton every week though
Spot on this...no matter how bad we've been over the years, Everton always gave us our odd day in the sun that kept us going, they aren't even capable of that anymore.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 09, 2018, 04:38:23 AM
We haven't given up on going Dutch, then?

Has Louis Van Gaal retired?

Hmmmm - interesting to see where this one goes......................... ................
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: howard1334 on April 09, 2018, 07:44:36 AM
Yeah, it's not been great, but then a lot of other clubs have suffered a lot, lot worse than us. So we need to keep things in perspective a bit, and not be so miserablist.

The way our expectations were raised over Spring and Summer 2017 has made this season all the more difficult to swallow. Our situation is not really comparable to what many other clubs have faced.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 09, 2018, 10:47:53 AM
The way our expectations were raised over Spring and Summer 2017 has made this season all the more difficult to swallow. Our situation is not really comparable to what many other clubs have faced.

Of course it is. It's always comparable. No team is an island. Fans of certain other clubs have suffered much worse than we have.

Don't get me wrong, we've had a number of major disappointments and it's been hard going at times, but keep a bit of perspective.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 09, 2018, 11:18:10 AM
Of course it is. It's always comparable. No team is an island. Fans of certain other clubs have suffered much worse than we have.

Don't get me wrong, we've had a number of major disappointments and it's been hard going at times, but keep a bit of perspective.
Exactly, picture this, supporting WBA, Southampton, Stoke, crystal Palace, Huddersfield or Liverpool
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: di_guyo on April 09, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
Exactly, picture this, supporting WBA, Southampton, Stoke, crystal Palace, Huddersfield or Liverpool

Ignoring the obvious... all lower expectations without massive amounts being spent on new players. Soton fans are probably the only team there that'll feel significantly disappointed - they've made little effort to address key sales and have struggled with managerial changes. Ultimately though, you look at their first 11....they're shite.

Not saying we've got the worst situation in the world or anything, but we're probably the biggest disappointment in the league this season. We were made a joke by the amounts we spent on players and how excited everyone got in the summer.

On the topic of the thread, quite impressed by what I've read on Brands. However, always a bit nervous about someone coming into a 'different' job. From having to focus on lower budgets and delivering sustainable stability, to what'll likely be quite a sizeable warchest isn't easy....from finding players that have flopped elsewhere but have potential, to top half side in the Premier League demanding European qualification....big change.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 09, 2018, 02:37:53 PM
Good read this

http://inbedwithmaradona.com/journal/2016/3/28/unity-is-strength-marcel-brands-and-psv

I could easily see us adopting the PSV model under Brands. Definitely have the youth setup to do so.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: howard1334 on April 09, 2018, 02:54:29 PM
Of course it is. It's always comparable. No team is an island. Fans of certain other clubs have suffered much worse than we have.

Don't get me wrong, we've had a number of major disappointments and it's been hard going at times, but keep a bit of perspective.

Bit of a straw man. I never stated that our situation is worse -- relegation is awful, and it is typically going to be more difficult to go through as a supporter than what we are dealing with now. But at least over the last decade or so, our situation is fairly unique -- making it more difficult to compare our emotional mindset to what others supporters going through other tough times might be feeling. Since Mishori arrived, we have been in the top 10 in spending in Europe, yet we languish at 9th in the table after finishing 11th, 11th, and 7th. We have not only failed to progress but arguably regressed. It is tough to find other teams that have dealt with similar extremes. You can make arguments that Liverpool and Tottenham similarly struggled after selling Suarez and Bale, respectively, and then reinvesting, but I think that would be overstating your case. There are lots of factors that distinguished our situation from theirs.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on April 09, 2018, 06:19:21 PM
I could easily see us adopting the PSV model under Brands. Definitely have the youth setup to do so.

*bangs one man Jardim drum*

Brands/Jardim dream team
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 09, 2018, 08:45:18 PM
Asked about the Blues' interest, Brands told NRC: "Everton, it's flattering, but I've said no more than yes in recent years.

"I also said yes to PSV only the second time. I have a very nice job and a nice life here.

"The question is whether I want to give it up. I've never been a club-hopper."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/marcel-brands-flattered-everton-interest-14509191
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 09, 2018, 09:09:55 PM
Asked about the Blues' interest, Brands told NRC: "Everton, it's flattering, but I've said no more than yes in recent years.

"I also said yes to PSV only the second time. I have a very nice job and a nice life here.

"The question is whether I want to give it up. I've never been a club-hopper."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/marcel-brands-flattered-everton-interest-14509191

The Echo would love us to be stuck with the Allardyce/Walsh dreamteam, so I bet they collectively creamed themselves when they picked up this little quote. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 09, 2018, 10:54:38 PM
I can't see him coming here to be honest. He sounds like he's happy doing what he does in his own country, so why gamble? Money isn't everything and he's probably on a good wage there. Was a nice idea but I'd jib the DOF myself because what benefit do they have over a good manager and scouting team? We're asking what does Walsh do, so would we see the difference if we dropped the role?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 09, 2018, 10:55:56 PM
I still want the prick Allardyce gone, just to make that clear.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 09, 2018, 11:14:43 PM
I can't see him coming here to be honest. He sounds like he's happy doing what he does in his own country, so why gamble? Money isn't everything and he's probably on a good wage there. Was a nice idea but I'd jib the DOF myself because what benefit do they have over a good manager and scouting team? We're asking what does Walsh do, so would we see the difference if we dropped the role?

We've implemented it badly, but the idea is a sound one and works at plenty of clubs. In fact, we've implemented it catastrophically.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: 74Blue on April 09, 2018, 11:27:07 PM
On the topic of the thread, quite impressed by what I've read on Brands. However, always a bit nervous about someone coming into a 'different' job. From having to focus on lower budgets and delivering sustainable stability, to what'll likely be quite a sizeable warchest isn't easy....from finding players that have flopped elsewhere but have potential, to top half side in the Premier League demanding European qualification....big change.
Which was exactly what we were very, very good at when we had fuck all money and David Moyes at the helm. Pienaar, Arteta, Howard to name just three players who had stuggled to live up to expectations elsewhere and were brought in for very little only for DM to get a tune out of them.
I'm not saying for a second that I'd like to see DM return, but someone like him working with a DOF who is singing from the same hymnsheet in terms of the type of player that he's looking for would be very interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2018, 12:07:10 AM
It’s hard to be enthusiastic about anything around the club and it has been for a long long while barring the odd false down or promised then missed opportunity

What’s our highlights since 1995 FA Cup win?? A 4th place that then promptly saw us knocked out of the champions league and humiliated in the Europa League without even trying to build a squad that could compete
A fifth place under Martinez promptly followed by the realisation he was a lunatic
Moshiri coming in and wasting a couple of 100 million on proven not quite good enough

It’s painful being a blue. An endless cycle of shite and false hope. Very little faith in anyone at the club. Owners’ manager, director of football, the players. From the best of them to the worst of them they are all short of what we need

Honestly been losing interest in football for a few years now. First time I haven’t been arsed to watch Everton every week though

Pretty much this for me.

I used to think it was just getting into my 40's and having a family that is making football fall (understandably) down the priority list but even up to a few years ago I still used to enjoy sitting down to watch a game on Sky if it was on. However I think the last 3-4 years of Everton has done me in.

Watching the club you've followed closely all your life turn into such a sorry state of affairs I think has turned me off football in general and we epitomise a lot of why football is losing it's appeal for me. Too many millionaire players who can't be arsed, a game awash with billions but no-one has any real passion anymore and complete football overkill on the TV every night of the week nearly.

I cancelled my Sky and BT subscriptions not because of cost but just so that £75/month could go to my kids instead of lining the pockets of the players we see today.

Having said that if Moshiri has an epiphany and decides he wants to make us the Leipzig of the Premier League and invest in young, exciting players as well as a similar looking manager and setup then I'd probably be at it again like a shot. Another season of Allardyce though would see me off. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 10, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
Forget Sky subscriptions, just get a Now T.V. Box (subsidiary of Sky) and pay £7.99 for 24 hours sky sports all channels whenever we are on.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on April 10, 2018, 03:29:56 AM
Asked about the Blues' interest, Brands told NRC: "Everton, it's flattering, but I've said no more than yes in recent years.

"I also said yes to PSV only the second time. I have a very nice job and a nice life here.

"The question is whether I want to give it up. I've never been a club-hopper."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/marcel-brands-flattered-everton-interest-14509191

Does not sound promising at all that, think we got our billionaire 5 years too late.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 10, 2018, 03:38:48 AM
The Echo would love us to be stuck with the Allardyce/Walsh dreamteam, so I bet they collectively creamed themselves when they picked up this little quote. 

Why do you say that?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 10, 2018, 03:53:32 AM
Why do you say that?

Itís a red rag
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 10, 2018, 03:54:57 AM
Does not sound promising at all that, think we got our billionaire 5 years too late.

Or, with their league not won yet maybe he is showing a bit of class and concentrating on that?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2018, 04:45:45 AM
Why do you say that?

The clue is in the name, Liverpool echo, they don't give a shiny shite about us
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 06:05:49 AM
Maybe if we get a decent manager who comes in and somehow gets the best from klaasen, Walcott and co..  stabilised Keane at the back etc. May realise Walsh buys weren't actually that bad.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2018, 06:16:25 AM
Need :

LB
CB
CMx2
LW
CF

And that’s mostly replacing old or outgoing players.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 06:19:48 AM
Yep.. big summer needed
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 10, 2018, 07:25:28 AM
Need :

LB
CB
CMx2
LW
CF

And that's mostly replacing old or outgoing players.
I feel its paramount that we ship out a lot of players.

We desperately need a fresh slate between the squad and the fans.
We cant have too many of the culprits from this year hanging about for another year.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on April 10, 2018, 08:36:02 AM
Or, with their league not won yet maybe he is showing a bit of class and concentrating on that?

Maybe, we shall see, I have my doubts though with Everton there is no point in being too optimistic.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 02:57:17 PM
Or, with their league not won yet maybe he is showing a bit of class and concentrating on that?

Maybe he didn't need to reply to any of it at all just yet?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 10, 2018, 02:59:48 PM
Maybe he didn't need to reply to any of it at all just yet?

If he's asked a question the polite thing to do is reply.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 03:03:45 PM
He was probably interested in the job so made sure he watched our last couple of performances and realised just HOW MANY rabbits he was gonna need to pull out of his hat to turn things around.
No wonder he's having serious doubts
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 10, 2018, 03:07:34 PM
He was probably interested in the job so made sure he watched our last couple of performances and realised just HOW MANY rabbits he was gonna need to pull out of his hat to turn things around.
No wonder he's having serious doubts

Hopefully, he will see it as a challenge and from the excellent article that @Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) posted a couple of days ago, it is reminiscent of what he was faced with at PSV.

I think his diplomatic approach when asked the question could also be that he is seeking assurances that it will be his show to run and Steptoe (Allardyce) and Son (Walsh) won't be anywhere in the picture. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 10, 2018, 03:09:21 PM
Need :

LB
CB
CMx2
LW
CF

And thatís mostly replacing old or outgoing players.

Think the difficulty will be getting rid, I expect we'll need to offload a fair few to do the level of overhaul thats required and they will be on big wages so its finding someone stupid enough to pay what they're on. With the exception of Pickford, Coleman, Walcott, Sigurdsson, Lookman, Vlasic and Tosun I wouldnt be too worried to see any of the rest leave
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 10, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
The longer he keeps us dangling the bigger package heíd demand, no doubt heís noticed the way we conducted our business with Siggy, Koeman and Martinez
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 10, 2018, 03:16:31 PM
The longer he keeps us dangling the bigger package heíd demand, no doubt heís noticed the way we conducted our business with Siggy, Koeman and Martinez

And Raiola is his agent, so he will want his cut as well.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 03:20:03 PM
It may well be he's waiting on which manager he will be working with
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
It may well be he's waiting on which manager he will be working with

Which is what any sensible person would do. You want to be on the same page as the guy you'll be working close to every day and not in completely different eras like he would be if Sam stayed.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 03:28:18 PM
Well yeah so we will have to take the positives out of his comments that others may read into as he's maybe not too keen.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 10, 2018, 03:51:36 PM
It may well be he's waiting on which manager he will be working with

Personally, I think he will enjoy working with Neil Warnock.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 05:21:06 PM
Quick question.. has Brands discovered many/any players who have gone on to do great things in English football? All very well discovering talent over there.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 10, 2018, 05:31:34 PM
Propper, Wijnaldum, Mousa Dembele and Depay are probably the biggest players PSV/AZ sold over here during his time with both clubs... he has 'discovered' and/or signed Strootman, Mertens and Pelle.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 10, 2018, 07:33:14 PM
The clue is in the name, Liverpool echo, they don't give a shiny shite about us

They have their own dedicated Everton beat writers. As a business you want more people reading your articles, so it would be in their best interest to have both Everton and Liverpool being successful.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 10, 2018, 07:34:22 PM
They have their own dedicated Everton beat writers. As a business you want more people reading your articles, so it would be in their best interest to have both Everton and Liverpool being successful.

Yeah, you'd think that, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 10, 2018, 07:36:59 PM
Yeah, you'd think that, wouldn't you?

The writers don't overlap from what I've been able to tell so I hardly think there is an objective of undermining the club.

And as someone mentioned earlier about it being in the name, it's the city paper. What would people rather it be named? 🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2018, 07:38:46 PM
Looks lads, there's loads more Liverpool fans in the world. Loads more. It's purely commercial interest that leans the Echo more towards the RS. Makes complete business sense.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2018, 07:43:07 PM
They have their own dedicated Everton beat writers. As a business you want more people reading your articles, so it would be in their best interest to have both Everton and Liverpool being successful.

Their own dedicated Everton writers who wouldn't dream of ever saying anything risky about out lovely neighbours, the Liverpool journo's however constantly slag us off, James Pearce is the worst at it
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2018, 08:21:59 PM
Looks lads, there's loads more Liverpool fans in the world. Loads more. It's purely commercial interest that leans the Echo more towards the RS. Makes complete business sense.

Some people see an agenda at every turn.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 10, 2018, 10:26:03 PM
Their own dedicated Everton writers who wouldn't dream of ever saying anything risky about out lovely neighbours, the Liverpool journo's however constantly slag us off, James Pearce is the worst at it

I don't read their Liverpool section so I can't really comment on that at all. However, their team is better than ours right now and many of us would take their players (or a majority of them) over ours. Easy to say bad things about us when we are bad and Big Sam is our manager. The stories kind of write themselves.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 10:32:02 PM
I don't read their Liverpool section so I can't really comment on that at all. However, their team is better than ours right now and many of us would take their players (or a majority of them) over ours. Easy to say bad things about us when we are bad and Big Sam is our manager. The stories kind of write themselves.

Bit like BT sport concentrating soley on advertising the man city team and not a sniff on everton on our televised game, having shown one of the worst games I've ever seen (Watford v Everton couple weeks beforehand)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: van der Meyde on April 10, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Which is what any sensible person would do. You want to be on the same page as the guy you'll be working close to every day and not in completely different eras like he would be if Sam stayed.
If Brands is waiting to find out what manager he'll be working with then we're doing the Director of Football worse than we all thought.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 10, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Their own dedicated Everton writers who wouldn't dream of ever saying anything risky about out lovely neighbours, the Liverpool journo's however constantly slag us off, James Pearce is the worst at it

Heís my mate on twitter. I insisted on it after I took the piss out of him. He is the fat smug 1 isnít he
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 11, 2018, 12:14:39 AM
If Brands is waiting to find out what manager he'll be working with then we're doing the Director of Football worse than we all thought.

Would it surprise you though?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 11, 2018, 02:02:03 PM
You would hope we would have sat down with Brands and said, here are our managerial targets, if you came aboard would you be happy to work with them.

Likewise, any managerial targets would be asked whether they have any issues working under a DoF/Technical Director.

You hope.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 11, 2018, 07:33:27 PM
Quick question.. has Brands discovered many/any players who have gone on to do great things in English football? All very well discovering talent over there.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mertens-dembele-strootman-players-helped-14511536
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 11, 2018, 07:55:48 PM
"Mertens... Dembele... Strootman..."

"Vardy... Mahrez... Kante..."

"Milligan... Cleese... Everett... Sessions..."
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 11, 2018, 08:10:30 PM
"Mertens... Dembele... Strootman..."

"Vardy... Mahrez... Kante..."

"Milligan... Cleese... Everett... Sessions..."

Mid-Sessions


(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gxUPgMCmtwg/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on April 15, 2018, 07:06:42 PM
PSV have now drawn up a shortlist of 3 people to replace Brands ! It looks like itís on.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 15, 2018, 08:45:01 PM
PSV have now drawn up a shortlist of 3 people to replace Brands ! It looks like it’s on.

I suppose with the money on offer he can't really afford to turn us down. We're everyone's meal ticket at the minute.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on April 15, 2018, 11:17:01 PM
I suppose with the money on offer he can't really afford to turn us down. We're everyone's meal ticket at the minute.

Thatís the good thing about Brands though! He doesnít care about the money, it has to be the challenge and also if he thinks he will feel at home! He has turned down jobs before to stay were he was, so that is why I would also be happy apart from the footballing side, he is a man with principles.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on April 15, 2018, 11:57:34 PM
Thatís the good thing about Brands though! He doesnít care about the money, it has to be the challenge and also if he thinks he will feel at home! He has turned down jobs before to stay were he was, so that is why I would also be happy apart from the footballing side, he is a man with principles.

Something thatís lacking in the modern game dude
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on April 16, 2018, 02:07:42 AM
PSV have now drawn up a shortlist of 3 people to replace Brands ! It looks like itís on.

Is one of them Steve Walsh...( crosses both fingers and toes ).
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 16, 2018, 02:51:59 AM
PSV won the league today then beatingAjax 3-0
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 16, 2018, 02:58:49 AM
PSV won the league today then beatingAjax 3-0

Hopefully, that will mean that we will now get a clearer picture of what he intends to do and probably, as a result what the plans are for the club.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 16, 2018, 02:43:15 PM
Hopefully get this sorted soon and not let it drag out into another saga.

https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/985576807834546177
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 16, 2018, 03:09:01 PM
 ďWe are busy preparing for next season. We started doing so at the winter break.Ē

I dream of us preparing for a transfer window months in advance, rather than minutes before the deadline.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 16, 2018, 03:13:36 PM
“We are busy preparing for next season. We started doing so at the winter break.”

I dream of us preparing for a transfer window months in advance, rather than minutes before the deadline.

Steve Walsh has prepared his list of targets for the coming window too:

Jamie Vardy
Marc Albrighton
Robert Huth
Kevin Nolan
Daniel Drinkwater
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 16, 2018, 03:14:00 PM
Hopefully, that will mean that we will now get a clearer picture of what he intends to do and probably, as a result what the plans are for the club.

Hope youíre not expecting that anytime soon ? Doubt heís even coming.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 16, 2018, 03:23:14 PM
Hope you’re not expecting that anytime soon ? Doubt he’s even coming.
...................he won't commit himself until we have a new manager , if he comes at all.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on April 16, 2018, 04:06:39 PM
So let's fuck around with this until mid-July at which point it becomes absolutely clear he's not coming. We should also not proceed with a managerial appointment until the DoF is in place. It's much more entertaining when the new guys have about two weeks to figure out what the squad needs and make the deals. Remember that the window closes mid-August this year.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 16, 2018, 04:35:48 PM
Definately sounds like he ain't coming
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 16, 2018, 04:42:50 PM
Hopefully get this sorted soon and not let it drag out into another saga.

https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/985576807834546177

The insuation here is that it would take something special to tempt him away, so at least this will encourage Moshiri to show his ambition by at least binning Allardyce
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Polledreng on April 16, 2018, 04:47:29 PM
The insuation here is that it would take something special to tempt him away, so at least this will encourage Moshiri to show his ambition by at least binning Allardyce
Yeaah My English is far from perfect but I think I know the difference between very difficult and impossible
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 16, 2018, 05:26:51 PM
Refusing to get excited at his arrival or pissed off when he turns us down.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on April 16, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
...................he won't commit himself until we have a new manager , if he comes at all.

I don't think that's the case. A DoF should be directly involved in the targeting and hiring of a manager. So if he is joining, I'd expect him to do so before we get a new manager, or at least announced a new manager.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on April 16, 2018, 06:53:19 PM
Whatever happens, I agree we canít do the will he/wonít he dance for long.

1. This is the most important role at the club this summer and one that requires planning. We should have had a new director in place already, to be honest.

2. We have a bad habit of spending a long time pursuing targets only to not get the deal over the line, leaving us in a position where we have to make a rash decision (or where we do absolutely nothing at all). Look at the state weíre in now to see how well this has worked out.

If we let this drag out, thereís a serious possibility that Walsh/Allardyce end up running our summer business. Which, no thanks.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 16, 2018, 07:51:24 PM
I think we're probably getting him, and it's been agreed, but he seems like quite a classy fella who isn't going to say anything about leaving on the day they clinch the title.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 07:52:34 PM
The DoF and new manager have to be a pair that mesh/fit together.  Otherwise, you are setting up both to fail and wasting more time and money.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 16, 2018, 07:53:52 PM
I suspect this is all to do with the rumoured deal with Raiola, he is his agent and I expect bigger things than this are happening behind the scenes. Im expecting Moshiri to set up some alliance with him to oversea our summer recruitment plan and as part of that Brands will be pivotal. I wouldnt be surprised if its all done already
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 16, 2018, 08:04:05 PM
https://elpivoteftbl.wordpress.com/2018/04/15/the-marcel-brands-files/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 08:14:58 PM
https://elpivoteftbl.wordpress.com/2018/04/15/the-marcel-brands-files/

Identifying market inefficiencies instead of throwing money at "proven English 'talent'" - FUCK and YES.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 16, 2018, 08:37:00 PM
Hmmm...he said Ďnoí when we were in fairly good shape at the end of last season...why would it be any different now weíre on our fucking knees?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 08:47:50 PM
Hmmm...he said Ďnoí when we were in fairly good shape at the end of last season...why would it be any different now weíre on our fucking knees?

More money, more control (ie, select the manager, no Walsh), feels he has accomplished all he can at PSV now, etc.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee Tuesdays on April 16, 2018, 09:39:40 PM
Hmmm...he said Ďnoí when we were in fairly good shape at the end of last season...why would it be any different now weíre on our fucking knees?

Maybe he didn't like Koeman?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 16, 2018, 09:45:30 PM
Hmmm...he said Ďnoí when we were in fairly good shape at the end of last season...why would it be any different now weíre on our fucking knees?

Many reasons.

Maybe he feels like he's taken PSV as far as he can, for one?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on April 16, 2018, 09:56:57 PM
Maybe he didn't like Koeman?

He's sacked Koeman previously in sure I read somewhere .
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 10:12:06 PM
He's sacked Koeman previously in sure I read somewhere .

oh yeah, talk about totes awkward  :D
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Polledreng on April 17, 2018, 12:19:33 AM
He's sacked Koeman previously in sure I read somewhere .
and I Think I read its the only manager he has sacked....
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 17, 2018, 03:28:41 PM
...................he won't commit himself until we have a new manager , if he comes at all.

Any new manager will report in to him, if we're doing this whole Director of Football approach properly.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 17, 2018, 03:30:19 PM
Hmmm...he said ‘no’ when we were in fairly good shape at the end of last season...why would it be any different now we’re on our fucking knees?

Why does any person move to a new job? New challenge, new life experience, more money, an opportunity that might not come round again....
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 17, 2018, 04:54:22 PM
Marcel Brands loves talking about interest in himself and what a difficult step it would be to leave PSV. This is clear, heís done it several times over the past couple of weeks or so and the leaks to the Dutch media only look like they have one source.

Itís unlikely Chelsea and then Everton both leaked almost identical stories about having interest in Brands to De Telegraaf newspaper a few months ago, and itís unlikely it came from PSV.

Brands has been flirting with a move to the Premier League for a while, but now itís seemingly a genuinely opportunity for him, he continues to play a little hard to get.

Itís all quite confusing.

Eindhoven Dagblad report Brandsí future will quickly become Ďclearí, quoting the PSV sporting director as saying: ďIím not going to wait too long and will soon make a decision. The decision has not yet been taken. It is difficult to leave all this behind. At PSV I work with people from whom I know what I have and who I cherish for years.Ē

Either the whole Everton interest has been talked up, by all involved, and itís the Goodison Park club who arenít so sure, with Brands saving face, or the Dutchman is genuinely stringing the English club out, which seems slightly odd.

Either Brands wants to leave PSV, and there was no point in flirting with an exit if heís not sure, or he doesnít. This really doesnít need to become a soap opera.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 17, 2018, 04:56:13 PM
'A soap opera.. right up Bills street.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 17, 2018, 04:57:01 PM
Any new manager will report in to him, if we're doing this whole Director of Football approach properly.
.................but this is Everton. We do things arse about face.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 17, 2018, 05:09:08 PM
.................but this is Everton. We do things arse about face.

Yeah. We appointed Koeman a month before Walsh didn't we?
I suppose that can be brought up during the recruitment process though.

But, i've heard Brands may not be coming in as a DoF anyway. Sure i heard some other title. Techincal Director i think.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 17, 2018, 05:41:23 PM
Yeah. We appointed Koeman a month before Walsh didn't we?
I suppose that can be brought up during the recruitment process though.

But, i've heard Brands may not be coming in as a DoF anyway. Sure i heard some other title. Techincal Director i think.

Walsh might smell a payout for constructive dismissal if that's deemed as basically doing his job in all but name. On the other hand if he's bright he'll know he isn't going to get paid what he's on now anywhere else in this universe so he'd be as well rolling with it in the hope of continuity of employment with a club supposedly going places.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 17, 2018, 06:48:03 PM
Marcel Brands loves talking about interest in himself and what a difficult step it would be to leave PSV. This is clear, he’s done it several times over the past couple of weeks or so and the leaks to the Dutch media only look like they have one source.

It’s unlikely Chelsea and then Everton both leaked almost identical stories about having interest in Brands to De Telegraaf newspaper a few months ago, and it’s unlikely it came from PSV.

Brands has been flirting with a move to the Premier League for a while, but now it’s seemingly a genuinely opportunity for him, he continues to play a little hard to get.

It’s all quite confusing.

Eindhoven Dagblad report Brands’ future will quickly become ‘clear’, quoting the PSV sporting director as saying: “I’m not going to wait too long and will soon make a decision. The decision has not yet been taken. It is difficult to leave all this behind. At PSV I work with people from whom I know what I have and who I cherish for years.”

Either the whole Everton interest has been talked up, by all involved, and it’s the Goodison Park club who aren’t so sure, with Brands saving face, or the Dutchman is genuinely stringing the English club out, which seems slightly odd.

Either Brands wants to leave PSV, and there was no point in flirting with an exit if he’s not sure, or he doesn’t. This really doesn’t need to become a soap opera.

I fully expect this be to dragged out over the summer, leading to another window of upheaval and disruption.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 17, 2018, 07:07:19 PM
Think weíll get him. We tend to get our way these days..... our problem is we make bad choices
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 17, 2018, 09:06:11 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/im-not-going-wait-long-brands-speaks-everton-situation-will-clear-soon/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on April 17, 2018, 09:29:31 PM
Seems to be joining, judging by his latest comments. Doesn't seem thrilled by it like haha, poor fella.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 17, 2018, 10:04:13 PM
I think he will come. Wasn't it Myers that said that after they won the championship that he would make his intent and decision known?

I expect him to be signed on by this time next month (or at least confirmed that he will join after this season).
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 17, 2018, 10:18:03 PM
Seems to be joining, judging by his latest comments. Doesn't seem thrilled by it like haha, poor fella.

Which comments are these?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 17, 2018, 10:23:54 PM
Think we may be getting the run around again by Raiola and this may all be about leveraging some longstanding interest from Chelsea.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on April 17, 2018, 10:33:04 PM
Which comments are these?
"Iím not going to wait too long and will soon make a decision. The decision has not yet been taken. It is difficult to leave all this behind. At PSV I work with people from whom I know what I have and who I cherish for years.Ē

To me that sounds like a goodbye
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 17, 2018, 10:38:55 PM
"Iím not going to wait too long and will soon make a decision. The decision has not yet been taken. It is difficult to leave all this behind. At PSV I work with people from whom I know what I have and who I cherish for years.Ē

To me that sounds like a goodbye

More like 'I've been made an offer but it isn't that good really'
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 17, 2018, 10:39:14 PM
"Iím not going to wait too long and will soon make a decision. The decision has not yet been taken. It is difficult to leave all this behind. At PSV I work with people from whom I know what I have and who I cherish for years.Ē

To me that sounds like a goodbye

Thanks. Sounds like a demand for another 0 or two on the end of the last offer.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on April 17, 2018, 10:40:22 PM
Thanks. Sounds like a demand for another 0 or two on the end of the last offer.
Which we'll probably give him like
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 17, 2018, 10:40:37 PM
He's just being tactful and respectful to his employers, colleagues and friends. If anything, I'm pleased to hear that he's not a complete cunt.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 17, 2018, 11:49:32 PM
Think we may be getting the run around again by Raiola and this may all be about leveraging some longstanding interest from Chelsea.



I reckon he's 99.9% gonna sign. When has that % ever been wrong eh? Just sit back now and wait and wait, then wait a bit longer. Then he'll move to Bayern.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 18, 2018, 02:54:21 PM
Im always slightly sceptical as to what this will actually he achieve, especially in the short term? He has confirmed he has circa 90 people working for him so its certainly not a 1 man band, granted he may have recruited all of these and got them doing what he want, but I think if this does come off the benefits might be 5/10 years down the line?
He will have an idea of players he wants/likes but was it him that initially identified them or one of the 90 working for him?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 18, 2018, 02:58:47 PM
Im always slightly sceptical as to what this will actually he achieve, especially in the short term? He has confirmed he has circa 90 people working for him so its certainly not a 1 man band, granted he may have recruited all of these and got them doing what he want, but I think if this does come off the benefits might be 5/10 years down the line?
He will have an idea of players he wants/likes but was it him that initially identified them or one of the 90 working for him?

Weíve spent the past few years looking short term and weíve regressed. Now is the time to put a long term plan in place, even if itís at the expense of short term gain. Which I donít actually think it will be.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 18, 2018, 03:19:27 PM
Just not really sure what this guy is angling  for with his kinda cryptic 'I may stay I may go stuff. Either waiting to see what manager we are getting (But surely he needs to be hired to be involved in that process), or he wants to get more money out of us (from what he's probably  been offered). Or he wants psv to give him more money to stay or he's waiting/putting himself out there for other offers.
Either way, I'm hoping he doesn't drag it out for weeks. Be a good signal of intent to get this sorted soon.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 18, 2018, 03:58:17 PM
Weíve spent the past few years looking short term and weíve regressed. Now is the time to put a long term plan in place, even if itís at the expense of short term gain. Which I donít actually think it will be.

I hope your right, but my worry is that if it is a long term appointment we dont seem that committed to sticking to the game plan
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 18, 2018, 06:37:07 PM
I hope your right, but my worry is that if it is a long term appointment we dont seem that committed to sticking to the game plan

But if that gameplan is going wrong (Martinez, Koeman, Walsh) are you suggesting we just stick with it just because it was initially intended to be a long-term solution?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 18, 2018, 06:54:48 PM
I hope your right, but my worry is that if it is a long term appointment we dont seem that committed to sticking to the game plan

First couple of years are going to bring teething problems when you change ownership and have a divided board. I think Moshiri meant well but he flew out the blocks hoping to make a statement and in the end made a complete mess of it and panicked to preserve his investment. Hopefully someone will have told him to calm down and build a sustainable strategy, as is the case in every other industry, rather than trying to get from A to C without going through B first.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Nicco on April 18, 2018, 10:39:28 PM
Just not really sure what this guy is angling  for with his kinda cryptic 'I may stay I may go stuff. Either waiting to see what manager we are getting (But surely he needs to be hired to be involved in that process), or he wants to get more money out of us (from what he's probably  been offered). Or he wants psv to give him more money to stay or he's waiting/putting himself out there for other offers.
Either way, I'm hoping he doesn't drag it out for weeks. Be a good signal of intent to get this sorted soon.
He might be a fan of the Clash?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 18, 2018, 10:58:53 PM
But if that gameplan is going wrong (Martinez, Koeman, Walsh) are you suggesting we just stick with it just because it was initially intended to be a long-term solution?
To some extend yes, I think clubs are far to willing to press the panic button. Who knows if we stuck with Martinez or Koeman where we'd be? We could have a really cohesive unit, thats been together for a while and really progressed or developed, or we could have been relegated, or we could have a relegation long ball merchant in charge? Consistency is a massive part of most success teams and a clear ownership structure and strategy should take into account ups and downs, its expected, but to keep replacing people at the first sign of trouble strikes me that people dont have a clear vision. That said I do want Walsh out!! :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 18, 2018, 11:09:15 PM
To some extend yes, I think clubs are far to willing to press the panic button. Who knows if we stuck with Martinez or Koeman where we'd be? We could have a really cohesive unit, thats been together for a while and really progressed or developed, or we could have been relegated, or we could have a relegation long ball merchant in charge? Consistency is a massive part of most success teams and a clear ownership structure and strategy should take into account ups and downs, its expected, but to keep replacing people at the first sign of trouble strikes me that people dont have a clear vision. That said I do want Walsh out!! :)

Championship with Martinez. You only had to read 1 of his interviews to know he'd completely lost the plot

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 19, 2018, 01:28:33 AM
To some extend yes, I think clubs are far to willing to press the panic button. Who knows if we stuck with Martinez or Koeman where we'd be? We could have a really cohesive unit, thats been together for a while and really progressed or developed, or we could have been relegated, or we could have a relegation long ball merchant in charge? Consistency is a massive part of most success teams and a clear ownership structure and strategy should take into account ups and downs, its expected, but to keep replacing people at the first sign of trouble strikes me that people dont have a clear vision. That said I do want Walsh out!! :)

Martinez: relegated within two more seasons I reckon, certainly no progression on the cards.

Koeman: relegation battle for sure, possibly making it to the heady heights of 15th.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 19, 2018, 02:17:02 AM
Martinez was sinking and showed no insight in to his weaknesses. If he'd have had a wobbly second season but recovered for the third I'd have been okay but we were getting worse. He'd have taken us down I think.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 19, 2018, 02:24:26 PM
Yeah, we would have definitely been relegated with Martinez in charge for another year or two.

I think we may have had a better season with Koeman if those first 6 PL fixtures weren't so tough. If we had have had another 5 or 6 games like the Stoke one, maybe the new players would have been given more of a chance. Who knows, but I do wonder.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 19, 2018, 03:01:31 PM
Yeah, we would have definitely been relegated with Martinez in charge for another year or two.

I think we may have had a better season with Koeman if those first 6 PL fixtures weren't so tough. If we had have had another 5 or 6 games like the Stoke one, maybe the new players would have been given more of a chance. Who knows, but I do wonder.

Nah, we fucked the summer recruitment. Even playing against lesser sides weíd have struggled scoring with no striker and defending with Williams, Cuco, Keane and Kenny. Koeman was on a hiding to nothing, part of it his own making but most managers would have struggled with what we had.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 19, 2018, 06:25:31 PM
Nah, we fucked the summer recruitment. Even playing against lesser sides we’d have struggled scoring with no striker and defending with Williams, Cuco, Keane and Kenny. Koeman was on a hiding to nothing, part of it his own making but most managers would have struggled with what we had.

I think it’s fair to assume that had we had easier games first up then improved confidence levels and trust in the new players would have made the tougher games less daunting when they came around.

As it was getting stuffed 3 games in a week confirmed everyone’s worries and left little room for patience.

It wouldn’t have made a huge difference but we wouldn’t have had issues of upheaval and the current nothingness and uncertainty that we have now.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 19, 2018, 10:21:06 PM
Sam basking in the 'ive done better than koeman and unsworth' thing. Not acknowledging that they newer had Baines or Coleman available or the long awaited striker that came in January or even Walcott down the flanks
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 20, 2018, 12:36:16 AM
I think itís fair to assume that had we had easier games first up then improved confidence levels and trust in the new players would have made the tougher games less daunting when they came around.

As it was getting stuffed 3 games in a week confirmed everyoneís worries and left little room for patience.

It wouldnít have made a huge difference but we wouldnít have had issues of upheaval and the current nothingness and uncertainty that we have now.

The whole squad was over the place. I get what youíre saying in theory but in practice if weíd encountered Burnley for example weíd have been equally clueless to break them down or someone like Leicester with Vardy and Mahrez would have ran that defence ragged.
We were all over the place start of the season, there was no hiding the lack of quality or cohesion right through the team.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: pjk on April 22, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Marcel Brands confirms. A good move by Everton. Let the Raiola hate train roll! ;D




https://twitter.com/stevie1919/status/987982068956229633
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 22, 2018, 04:33:36 PM
If true this is a good start. The cherry would be SA going on Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 22, 2018, 04:40:31 PM
Forward thinking and a step in the right direction
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 22, 2018, 04:55:01 PM
Nothing other than a couple of paragraphs from the Mirror that appear to be a rehash of previous interviews being reported by HITC. I'll wait before popping the champagne
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 22, 2018, 05:00:36 PM
Nothing other than a couple of paragraphs from the Mirror that appear to be a rehash of previous interviews being reported by HITC. I'll wait before popping the champagne

Yeah, he confirms that Everton have MADE a move for him in 2016, but not that he has actually agreed to come to us
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 22, 2018, 05:15:08 PM
Says he wants to bring Lozano here.

Oh my
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: pjk on April 22, 2018, 05:31:16 PM
https://twitter.com/stevie1919/status/987995498064875520
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 22, 2018, 05:35:46 PM
Be nice to get the ball rolling. Hopefully coincides with the big meeting and fat twat being shown the door
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 22, 2018, 06:32:10 PM
Says he wants to bring Lozano here.

Oh my

Bye bye Bolasie then.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 22, 2018, 06:52:30 PM
https://twitter.com/stevie1919/status/987995498064875520

Iíd love it to be true, but Iíve never known that lad to be itk
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: pjk on April 22, 2018, 06:59:25 PM
I think there's something in this, personally, I'm almost convinced. I thought Allardyce might manage to hang on for his decent signings, but if he leaves, the new director of football teamed with Raiola can't really fail in the signing players stakes. No longer a need for Allardyce. That's what it say's to me. :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 22, 2018, 07:09:43 PM
Says he wants to bring Lozano here.

Oh my

I remember thinking when we where linked with Brands what players from PSV he could bring with him. Lozano was top of my list. Would love him here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 22, 2018, 07:22:14 PM
Nah, refuse to get excited about us potentially bringing another dof in
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 22, 2018, 07:51:58 PM
If true, I'm excited as fuck. It means Allardyce is almost certainly off, and it also means that we're doing things the right way round, with the new DoF hopefully having a say in the new manager. Also should in theory mean that Brands will be doing a full assessment of the squad nice and early, to identify people who will be coming and going.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 22, 2018, 07:54:13 PM
If true, I'm excited as fuck. It means Allardyce is almost certainly off, and it also means that we're doing things the right way round, with the new DoF hopefully having a say in the new manager. Also should in theory mean that Brands will be doing a full assessment of the squad nice and early, to identify people who will be coming and going.



Fucking hope so!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on April 22, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
Bye bye Bolasie then.

hope he is gone even if we sign no one there
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 22, 2018, 08:27:17 PM
If true, I'm excited as fuck. It means Allardyce is almost certainly off, and it also means that we're doing things the right way round, with the new DoF hopefully having a say in the new manager. Also should in theory mean that Brands will be doing a full assessment of the squad nice and early, to identify people who will be coming and going.




Fuck!

I told myself I wouldnít allow myself to get turned on by Everton again, because sheís an aloof, cold mistress, but fuck it, my kecks are off, and Iím lubed and biting the pillow in anticipation 😫
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: eugene on April 22, 2018, 10:18:34 PM

Fuck!

I told myself I wouldn't allow myself to get turned on by Everton again, because she's an aloof, cold mistress, but fuck it, my kecks are off, and I'm lubed and biting the pillow in anticipation
Easy tiger havenít had my fuckin dinner yet and thereís you lubbed
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 22, 2018, 11:19:50 PM
If true, I'm excited as fuck. It means Allardyce is almost certainly off, and it also means that we're doing things the right way round, with the new DoF hopefully having a say in the new manager. Also should in theory mean that Brands will be doing a full assessment of the squad nice and early, to identify people who will be coming and going.



Which will be all the more important this year due to the world cup and England being the only country in Europe to have brought the transfer window closure forward a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on April 22, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
Which will be all the more important this year due to the world cup and England being the only country in Europe to have brought the transfer window closure forward a couple of weeks.

Yeah, thatís going to be a nightmare for any English clubs selling players this summer.

Itís one of the blessings in disguise of such a shit year, we have no talent that anybody will be wanting to buy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on April 23, 2018, 12:47:23 AM
Didn't know they'd moved the window. Although it was "enjoyable" having it the end of August, it really didn't make sense given the season started a few weeks before. And it means that when the season ends, it's only a few days before the window opens again. That should be how it works anyway if they're using a window system. Makes logical sense captain.

If there's a winter break as well, then that's when the window should be open again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 23, 2018, 12:52:27 AM
Says he wants to bring Lozano here.

Oh my

....and Ziyech from Ajax.

Just scoured the Dutch press but can't find any new news yet, although the PSV forum seem fairly convinced it's happening. They are worried that they'll only get something like 30m for Lozano, but want 70m+ for him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 23, 2018, 12:56:27 AM
I'm guessing he was talking about these two in particular:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hirving-lozano/profil/spieler/316889


https://www.transfermarkt.com/santiago-arias/profil/spieler/120443






Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 23, 2018, 01:15:22 AM
....and Ziyech from Ajax.

Just scoured the Dutch press but can't find any new news yet, although the PSV forum seem fairly convinced it's happening. They are worried that they'll only get something like 30m for Lozano, but want 70m+ for him.

70m for a player from the Dutch league?

Theyíre clearly enjoying the liberal drug laws a bit to much.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: phillyt on April 23, 2018, 01:38:10 AM
Didn't know they'd moved the window. Although it was "enjoyable" having it the end of August, it really didn't make sense given the season started a few weeks before. And it means that when the season ends, it's only a few days before the window opens again. That should be how it works anyway if they're using a window system. Makes logical sense captain.

If there's a winter break as well, then that's when the window should be open again.
I disagree on this. I think the month at the start of the season is key to assessing your strengths/weaknesses. Do you need to buy again, can you afford to sell and get a half decent replacement. Assess your targets/find alternatives.
I think itís utterly ridiculous to restrict our own transfer market while other European leagues donít. Much like VAR technology,which there was a clamour for,  this buffoonery will last one season only to be abandoned as the clubs in European competition realise what a handicap it is to them.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on April 23, 2018, 01:52:23 AM
Sounds promising, I just hope if we do bring him in then that means Steve Walsh will depart.

My worst nightmare is that Moshiri is actually trying to shoehorn Brands into some role alongside Walsh.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 01:55:10 AM
Does seem a bit silly to bring forward the transfer window in a World Cup year. Common sense would have it start next summer instead.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 23, 2018, 03:01:25 AM
I agree with Blarg that the transfer window should coincide with lack of football. For all the advantages the current system holds for squad building, it's one of the main reasons prices became so high - panic buying when things look to have gone to shit.
This will create a more cautious approach and ensure some teams don't just throw money at a perceived problem (and, vicariously, add to the possibility of kids getting game time due to lack of alternative options).

However, shooting our load first and hoping everybody else follows us puts our European contingent at a disadvantage unless/until everybody else joins in.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blueToffee on April 23, 2018, 03:36:48 AM
I don't think they need a longer window. I'm sure whether the window is open or not agents and clubs are very aware of options and who wants to go where etc. The past transfer window there seemed like weeks where nothing much happened after a flurry at the start and end.

I'd argue the window should actually be really short like 4 weeks or so. Cut it down and stop the procrastination. Focus the minds of the players, clubs and agents then let them go on holiday, etc.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 23, 2018, 09:23:10 AM
I like the sound of it, but brands work has all been buy low sell high. Our philosophy recently has very much been buy high, give high wages, lose on a cheap, donít build a working squad.

Hopefully will be a mix of the two, buying low but with the purse strings relaxed.

I absolutely refuse to believe weíll get anywhere near ziyech or Lozano, but thereís about 5-6 young players in that league who are primed for CL level breakout seasons, they are two of them for sure and would definitely up our Ďgame changerí quota.

        Sigurdsson

Ziyech  Tosun  Lozano

Well that doesnít look bad does it...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 23, 2018, 09:58:07 AM
I honestly donít think Tuson will be here in 12 months time, I canít see him linking the play nor scoring enough goals, hope Iím wrong but weíll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 23, 2018, 12:07:09 PM
I honestly donít think Tuson will be here in 12 months time, I canít see him linking the play nor scoring enough goals, hope Iím wrong but weíll have to wait and see.
Going by reports from USM they all say he is a finisher ,a great finisher but he has had no service so wherever that comment comes from I cannot agree.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on April 23, 2018, 12:24:37 PM
Excited about the news of brands maybe joining us. Seems like a good choice for dof.

But, and maybe I'm just a little tainted by the last few seasons, it doesn't really matter who we bring in, or how good they are if we don't give one man the responsibility of building this team. If we have 2-3 people buying players and having their hands in the cookie jar nothing will get fixed. It doesn't matter how good they are at their job. It won't work.

One man. One man has to have the responsibility. One man has to have the final say in everything. None of this agreeing shit that Walsh and Koeman had. One vision.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 23, 2018, 01:29:55 PM
I honestly donít think Tuson will be here in 12 months time, I canít see him linking the play nor scoring enough goals, hope Iím wrong but weíll have to wait and see.

Still question marks for me as well, as there should after so few minutes, but being absolutely honest - I would not judge any of our new signings until this absolute stinker of a season is behind us, and we can see what some of these guys are like with a half-functioning side around them.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 23, 2018, 01:40:33 PM
I like the sound of it, but brands work has all been buy low sell high. Our philosophy recently has very much been buy high, give high wages, lose on a cheap, donít build a working squad.

Hopefully will be a mix of the two, buying low but with the purse strings relaxed.

I absolutely refuse to believe weíll get anywhere near ziyech or Lozano, but thereís about 5-6 young players in that league who are primed for CL level breakout seasons, they are two of them for sure and would definitely up our Ďgame changerí quota.

        Sigurdsson

Ziyech  Tosun  Lozano

Well that doesnít look bad does it...

Yes I was thinking about the model that heís currently used to.

I suppose a positive can be taken from at PSV you donít just have a money generating brief, you have to provide players who win too.

Plus by Dutch standards they do have money, so itíll be about scaling it up a bit.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 23, 2018, 03:04:12 PM
Going by reports from USM they all say he is a finisher ,a great finisher but he has had no service so wherever that comment comes from I cannot agree.
Fair enough, Iím judging him on what Iíve seen so far and Ive got my doubts, perhaps with a better manager and coaching staff as well as better players/providers he will kick on, hereís hoping
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 03:30:32 PM
If he'd like to keep his links with PSV there's always the chance some of our talented youngsters could go there to learn a different way of playing football playing for a big club with pressure. Lookman is showing that time abroad picking up invaluable experience playing in a different style and picking up minutes at a high level should stand him in good stead when he comes back. Someone like Dowell or Kenny might benefit also.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 23, 2018, 03:45:31 PM
This been confirmed yet then?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on April 23, 2018, 04:08:49 PM
This been confirmed yet then?

Yes, some random blokes have confirmed it on Twitter. There were also a few vague hints in Mirror, so it's safe to say the deal is done and dusted.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 05:04:01 PM
This been confirmed yet then?

There's enough noise to think its in the works but waiting for the right time to release it. On the same day as Allardyce and Walsh leaving might be a good one. Sort of burying good news with even better news. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 23, 2018, 05:58:51 PM
Excited about the news of brands maybe joining us. Seems like a good choice for dof.

But, and maybe I'm just a little tainted by the last few seasons, it doesn't really matter who we bring in, or how good they are if we don't give one man the responsibility of building this team. If we have 2-3 people buying players and having their hands in the cookie jar nothing will get fixed. It doesn't matter how good they are at their job. It won't work.

One man. One man has to have the responsibility. One man has to have the final say in everything. None of this agreeing shit that Walsh and Koeman had. One vision.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 23, 2018, 08:43:45 PM
That WRD fella on TEF reckons Walsh is as good as gone.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 23, 2018, 08:51:04 PM
That WRD fella on TEF reckons Walsh is as good as gone.
Says there will be more to follow
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 23, 2018, 08:52:56 PM
Says there will be more to follow

Hopefully Allerdyce as well, to be announced before the game tonight, one can hope.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 23, 2018, 09:13:42 PM
Says there will be more to follow

It's inevitable, Walsh goes, then his mate Allardyce follows
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueMaquis on April 23, 2018, 09:26:36 PM
What do WRD and TEF mean?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 23, 2018, 09:29:56 PM
Says there will be more to follow

Lee and Shakespeare?

Hardly putting his neck out for anything requiring inside knowledge
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 23, 2018, 09:33:36 PM
What do WRD and TEF mean?

WRD = William Ralph Dean (a username)
TEF = The Everton Forum (a place where oddballs who support a football team can argue amongst each other. It'll not catch on)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
Hopefully Allerdyce as well, to be announced before the game tonight, one can hope.

Be nice if they announced us parting company at half-time. In true Everton style.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 23, 2018, 10:02:01 PM
Be nice if they announced us parting company at half-time. In true Everton style.

And did a price is right type thing and got someone from the crowd to manage the team for the second half.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: pjk on April 23, 2018, 10:05:26 PM
More from Twitter. The rumours aren't going away. :)




https://twitter.com/SportsPeteO/status/988402488893165568
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 23, 2018, 10:28:02 PM
This is the one time I think it is okay for us to announce the signing during a game. Ideally tonight along with Sam being given the boot.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blueToffee on April 23, 2018, 10:33:27 PM
More from Twitter. The rumours aren't going away. :)




https://twitter.com/SportsPeteO/status/988402488893165568

I think the rumours are all coming from the same source.

Waiting on someone credible still.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 23, 2018, 10:35:03 PM
The best part is I am 99% sure Brands wouldn't be coming if he didn't have a free hand to clean house and run things his way.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 23, 2018, 10:36:33 PM
Be nice if they announced us parting company at half-time. In true Everton style.

Imagine Sams face if that was the case.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 23, 2018, 10:37:55 PM
Imagine Sams face if that was the case.

The post match interview would be interesting.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 23, 2018, 10:39:24 PM
I think sam will already know if hes getting fucked off tbh.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on April 23, 2018, 11:11:32 PM
And did a price is right type thing and got someone from the crowd to manage the team for the second half.

Half Time
"Steve Jones sat in F146, TB3......Come on down!"

Steve makes it down from the Top Balcony to the bench just as the 4th official holds up the  added time board at the end of the second half.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 23, 2018, 11:31:46 PM
The post match interview would be interesting.

He'll blame marketing again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 06:08:13 PM
Haven't really seen anything else about him joining. (No denial either mind you)..

"Hi Fahrad it's Marcel. I know I told you I was open to joining you as technical director to get the club moving forwards but I watched the Newcastle game last night and realised..I'm not a fuckin magician !!...I'm out"
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on April 24, 2018, 07:47:02 PM
Haven't really seen anything else about him joining. (No denial either mind you)..

"Hi Fahrad it's Marcel. I know I told you I was open to joining you as technical director to get the club moving forwards but I watched the Newcastle game last night and realised..I'm not a fuckin magician !!...I'm out"

C'mon mate easiest job in football atm, all's he has to do is get us to have two shots on target and he's improved us by 100%.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 08:21:26 PM
C'mon mate easiest job in football atm, all's he has to do is get us to have two shots on target and he's improved us by 100%.
He could get us aguero and Ronaldo but we still wouldn't get more than one shot away with fat twat in charge.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 08:22:31 PM
Oh. I just added to your actual post..bottom bit was my response
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on April 24, 2018, 09:22:03 PM
I imagine a prospective technical director would watch our recent performances and think "this team is absolutely nothing and can be molded into whatever I want." Which should be an exciting prospect given the resources we have.

They should be more worried about the likes of Moshiri and Kenwright (and maybe some of the longer-serving members of the coaching staff) meddling in their responsibilities than anything else.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 09:34:07 PM
I think he needs to be totally in tune with the manager and what the two of them hope to achieve/get out of the players together.
Here lies the problem, with old fart head allardyce on the scene. I can't see how a person like Brands who tends to discover young, cheap, players with  potential possibly fits into SA way of playing. He'll go out and discover the Lookmans of the world only for Sam to say they aren't ready and he can't possibly risk playing them as HE'S the one who gets it in the neck if we lose.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluebridge on April 24, 2018, 09:40:02 PM
I think he needs to be totally in tune with the manager and what the two of them hope to achieve/get out of the players together.
Here lies the problem, with old fart head allardyce on the scene. I can't see how a person like Brands who tends to discover young, cheap, players with  potential possibly fits into SA way of playing. He'll go out and discover the Lookmans of the world only for Sam to say they aren't ready and he can't possibly risk playing them as HE'S the one who gets it in the neck if we lose.
Dont worry, Allardyce will not be on the scene.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 09:42:50 PM
90% of me agrees with you...The 'Everton' part of me says the twat will stay.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 09:44:12 PM
But in all honesty I don't think Brands would have joined knowing SA was staying. Hence why he was on the fence about coming or staying at psv.
That's my hope
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: everton1952 on April 24, 2018, 09:46:02 PM
When the new manager comes in after Sam, say early May, he cannot possibly know all about all of our players. If the present coaching staff disappear with Sam, who advises the new man on for example whether Rooney should get another season or whether maybe as many as 6 or 7 others including a few in the current 1st team squad are not good enough for the PL?

Could we be condemned to wait until say October before he is personally able to judge how deficient some of our players are? In other words there may be almost nil clearout this close season. Could Ferguson advise or is he gone as well when the new man comes in?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 24, 2018, 09:47:21 PM
He'll not want to come here and be told to work with a dinosaur who thinks team selection should be based on how much you cost in transfer fee rather than ability.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 10:02:48 PM
Tosun is a classic example of the player bought for a lot of money after months of crying out for a striker who SA refused to play for ages. Giving every excuse under the sun. Too slow, prem is too physical, doesn't like the cold, he's foreign so it'll take 12 months before he'll adjust.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 10:04:54 PM
I might be wrong but I think Brands is more likely to look abroad for players than Walsh. so SA would be pulling his hair out when a Spanish 20 year old gets drafted in.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on April 24, 2018, 11:06:00 PM
We need to get the man in now ....get rid of the dinosaurs Sam and Sammy also Shakespeare ....Give brands what he wants who he wants and before the summer.too to stand anychance of a forward move .
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on April 24, 2018, 11:24:52 PM
Has Brands actually joined yet or are we getting excited about something which might not happen?



Ive no problem with this, getting our hopes up to be disappointed is what supporting Everton is all about
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 24, 2018, 11:30:48 PM
Stay excited - pretty much confirmed for a Brands new start
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 24, 2018, 11:44:39 PM
Stay excited - pretty much confirmed for a Brands new start

(https://media.giphy.com/media/JvKiskVTqzgk0/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 24, 2018, 11:50:10 PM
Like it, Audrey

Always got that reaction in night clubs!

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 25, 2018, 07:51:45 PM
Bring Lozano with you, Marcel.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 25, 2018, 08:04:25 PM
Bring Lozano with you, Marcel.

Yeah, Marcel; bring Lozano with you, you shit.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 25, 2018, 08:14:03 PM
Yeah, Marcel; bring Lozano with you, you shit.

He's not brining Lozano?!

Brands out!!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 25, 2018, 08:15:13 PM
Yeah, Marcel; bring Lozano with you, you shit.

I'm addressing him directly. I hope he's reading this forum  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 25, 2018, 11:37:10 PM
Yeah, Marcel; bring Lozano with you, you shit.

He's smelling your cheese as we speak
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ridge on April 26, 2018, 03:57:51 AM
Rather underwhelmed by his potential appointment, his record is good for Dutch league. But I can't help but feel he has that magic ingredient of looking good on paper, like most our acquisitions in last couple of years.

The South Americans he's signed, wouldn't have got a work permit in the UK, which is why they ended up in the Dutch league. If they can get a work permit, then the better calibre of players are likely to have teams above us in race.

Raiola could be a handy friend, but if he has exceptional players, they would likely go to United first.

Just seems another bizarre appointment to me.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 26, 2018, 02:02:18 PM
Rather underwhelmed by his potential appointment, his record is good for Dutch league. But I can't help but feel he has that magic ingredient of looking good on paper, like most our acquisitions in last couple of years.

The South Americans he's signed, wouldn't have got a work permit in the UK, which is why they ended up in the Dutch league. If they can get a work permit, then the better calibre of players are likely to have teams above us in race.

Raiola could be a handy friend, but if he has exceptional players, they would likely go to United first.

Just seems another bizarre appointment to me.

Re: Raiola, we could in effect sign his players and insert big release clauses/sell-on fees for down the line.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 26, 2018, 03:05:16 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/marcel-brands-everton/

Says he's a week away from making up his mind.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 26, 2018, 03:10:23 PM
Take your time, Marcel. It's not like we need to know anytime soon.

The speed we wrap up deals, I expect this to be completed by September 27th.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 26, 2018, 03:28:17 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/marcel-brands-everton/

Says he's a week away from making up his mind.

Canít blame him though can you, clearly wants to know if they or going to sack Allardyce or not, if not then clearly he wonít come to us.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on April 26, 2018, 03:31:25 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/marcel-brands-everton/

Says he's a week away from making up his mind.
99% sure then !
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 26, 2018, 03:33:11 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/marcel-brands-everton/

Says he's a week away from making up his mind.
.....................clutching at straws here but he says ' within a week ' which sounds a bit more hopeful . Could be today . Or not.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 26, 2018, 03:33:21 PM
Re: Raiola, we could in effect sign his players and insert big release clauses/sell-on fees for down the line.

Raiola would be a bad move, long term wise.

Your scouting network effectively becomes - what players does raiola see fit to give us?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 26, 2018, 03:35:34 PM
We really do struggle to sign anyone with caliber these days
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 26, 2018, 03:46:59 PM
Raiola would be a bad move, long term wise.

Your scouting network effectively becomes - what players does raiola see fit to give us?

It's a policy that works though.

I'm happy with him using us as a stepping stone for good young talent.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 03:52:06 PM
Canít blame him though can you, clearly wants to know if they or going to sack Allardyce or not, if not then clearly he wonít come to us.

Clearly 🙄
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 26, 2018, 03:52:37 PM
I don't imagine it will exclusively be Raiola signings, but if we could tap into his contacts and networks, then why not see what we can mine from it?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 03:54:01 PM
It's a policy that works though.

I'm happy with him using us as a stepping stone for good young talent.



Absolutely what we need to be selling ourselves as. Top young players who the big sides would have sat on their bench. Come play for us. Weíll play you. Have release clause that will make us a bit and allow them to get their move.
We could make a lot of money doing it and build a good team too.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 26, 2018, 03:56:25 PM
It's the only real way forward for us, if you ask me.

We're not going to be able to compete with signings the Top 4 make, so you go for the next level down, the players under 23 who are going to be ready to make the next step up. Fed up of us wasting money on 29 year olds with little to no re-sale value and bodies that are not getting any younger.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 26, 2018, 04:00:59 PM
Absolutely what we need to be selling ourselves as. Top young players who the big sides would have sat on their bench. Come play for us. We’ll play you. Have release clause that will make us a bit and allow them to get their move.
We could make a lot of money doing it and build a good team too.

Makes perfect sense for a club our size and of our standing. You'd have players wanting to come to us for footballing reasons instead of players past their best who see us as a wealthy retirement home.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 04:24:53 PM
Makes perfect sense for a club our size and of our standing. You'd have players wanting to come to us for footballing reasons instead of players past their best who see us as a wealthy retirement home.

And as much as it would pain us to lose players on the cheap when they go to the bigger sides weíd still be making decent profits and the reality would be theyíd only come because of this deal. We could build an exciting young team and be a desirable place for the best young players to come and actually play

We have to market ourselves as something different. Itís impossible to bridge the gap by just having our pick of available players the better sides have no interest in
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 26, 2018, 04:28:21 PM
And as much as it would pain us to lose players on the cheap when they go to the bigger sides we’d still be making decent profits and the reality would be they’d only come because of this deal. We could build an exciting young team and be a desirable place for the best young players to come and actually play

We have to market ourselves as something different. It’s impossible to bridge the gap by just having our pick of available players the better sides have no interest in

....and paying them over inflated salaries to tempt them here. We have a higher wage bill than Tottenham despite having far inferior players and being behind them on every footballing metric you wish to use.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 04:41:36 PM
....and paying them over inflated salaries to tempt them here. We have a higher wage bill than Tottenham despite having far inferior players and being behind them on every footballing metric you wish to use.

Our transfer policy has been ridiculous. We seem to have gone for proven but a little short at great cost or punts at under 18 level which is always a bit of a lottery and completely missed the gap in the middle that's the only real way we have any chance of competing
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 26, 2018, 05:03:10 PM
Wonder how Brands would feel about Raiola making transfer decisions as well though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 26, 2018, 05:12:32 PM
Wonder how Brands would feel about Raiola making transfer decisions as well though

He's just signed with him hasn't he?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 26, 2018, 05:14:47 PM
He's just signed with him hasn't he?

He is represented by Raiola yes. Another reason why we are now probably more open to the suggestion.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 26, 2018, 05:30:04 PM
Oh I see..not sure what I make of it tbh. Good things and bad things could come of it. We probably wouldn't be made aware of the buy out clauses and other contract elements that may well not be great for the club. I don't want to feel like a stepping stone in a Raiola production line from talented youngster to champions league team.
Getting hold of some player who is amazing for us, who we wouldn't possibly want as a club to sell, but suddenly finding out he's gone to a champions league side for half of what we consider his price to be because that's what clauses were put in place in order to get the player.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 26, 2018, 05:37:57 PM
Oh I see..not sure what I make of it tbh. Good things and bad things could come of it. We probably wouldn't be made aware of the buy out clauses and other contract elements that may well not be great for the club. I don't want to feel like a stepping stone in a Raiola production line from talented youngster to champions league team.
Getting hold of some player who is amazing for us, who we wouldn't possibly want as a club to sell, but suddenly finding out he's gone to a champions league side for half of what we consider his price to be because that's what clauses were put in place in order to get the player.

I dont see the negatives and also what would be the incentive for Raiola getting a cheap clause inserted into their contracts, so he doesnt get as much commission? Raiola would want everyone to go for world record fees id imagine as it pushes up his commission. Look at the transformation of Wolves who have got a good working relationship with Mendes, if it had the same success here id be well happy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 26, 2018, 06:02:59 PM
It's a policy that works though.

I'm happy with him using us as a stepping stone for good young talent.



Personally I do think maybe Wolves is the case study - like it seems great for them and being honest hard to say I wouldnít take that - young talented players who are clearly above our level coming in and helping us achieve something spectacular, sounds great.

But anything that increases the power of leeches like him is bad. And anything that increases the chances that we are not signing purpose-sought players to fill a specific role in our system, and more just taking expensive punts on whatever that absolute used car salesman chooses to send our way, is very bad.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 26, 2018, 06:15:44 PM
Does Raiola have any decent young players worth having at the moment?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 26, 2018, 06:46:39 PM
Clearly 🙄

Yes, itís a commonly used expression, try not to worry too much about my use of it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hesmenos on April 26, 2018, 06:47:58 PM
Lozano and Kluivert
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 06:57:27 PM
Yes, itís a commonly used expression, try not to worry too much about my use of it.

Well he's talking about leaving a job he's been very successful in uprooting his family and coming here. Clearly it all hinges on Sam allardyce?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on April 26, 2018, 07:07:51 PM
Canít blame him though can you, clearly wants to know if they or going to sack Allardyce or not, if not then clearly he wonít come to us.

We may as well forget the director of football role if that's how we're going to continue to do things. If we're really invested in him, Brands needs to have a say in who manages the club next.

It's a policy that works though.

I'm happy with him using us as a stepping stone for good young talent.

Does it really work, though?

It's certainly gone well for Wolves but they've gotten CL quality youngsters in the Championship so no real surprise there. Mendes tried a lot of the same things at Valencia (same manager, even) and failed horribly. Valencia have only turned it around since hiring Marcelino (great manager who doesn't get enough attention) and cooling off on signing so many Mendes clients.

It's good to have good relationships with powerful agents but a dangerous game funneling most of your business through one.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 26, 2018, 07:26:01 PM
Well he's talking about leaving a job he's been very successful in uprooting his family and coming here. Clearly it all hinges on Sam allardyce?

No, it hinges on Moshiri (hopefully) sacking Allardyce.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 26, 2018, 07:36:01 PM
Well he's talking about leaving a job he's been very successful in uprooting his family and coming here. Clearly it all hinges on Sam allardyce?

Whatís your problem ?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 07:38:32 PM
No, it hinges on Moshiri (hopefully) sacking Allardyce.

You know this how?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on April 26, 2018, 07:40:42 PM
Does Raiola have any decent young players worth having at the moment?

why don't you go and look
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 07:42:10 PM
Whatís your problem ?

My problem. I really donít have 1. Just not sure people should be passing stuff off as fact when theyíve absolutely no clue what does and what doesnít go into a man theyíve never mets decision. I mean come on itís an extremely complex decision for him and his family. I assume you donít actually know any of them. Iíve not even seen a single report saying his decision has anything to do with allardyce. So youíve just decided it does cos you want it to be so and are now passing it off as a fact
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 26, 2018, 07:44:12 PM
Itíd be a question of dependence.

We donít want to be too tied down to one source of player.

But equally have easier access to players should be beneficial.

Agents exist to make money so heíd be unlikely to offer a load of duds but equally we would be in line to make as much money from sales as if weíd procured everything ourselves.

I think weíd actually be quite well placed to be a breeding ground, so to speak, for young players ready to move towards the prime of their careers (like Lukaku) so the risk on the real big fees wouldnít likely be with us as weíd be the middling fee area the career step before.

But regarding the balance thereíd be no point having a DoF if we were just using one source for players.

Iíd guess that this would be more of a benefit from the close relationship rather than Raiola driving things (like Mendes at Wolves).
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 26, 2018, 07:48:51 PM
My problem. I really donít have 1. Just not sure people should be passing stuff off as fact when theyíve absolutely no clue what does and what doesnít go into a man theyíve never mets decision. I mean come on itís an extremely complex decision for him and his family. I assume you donít actually know any of them. Iíve not even seen a single report saying his decision has anything to do with allardyce. So youíve just decided it does cos you want it to be so and are now passing it off as a fact

Iím not trying to pass anything off as fact, like I said, itís a commonly used expression, doesnít necessarily mean itís definitive.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on April 26, 2018, 07:54:07 PM
Louis van Gaal linked with Everton today not managed a team in 2 years was crap at Man u with all the money he had there

is this what yous are hoping for with Brands coming in ?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 26, 2018, 08:01:37 PM
Highly doubt weíd only get Raiola players lads. Itís a bit extreme thinking we arenít allowed to sign others.

I reckon weíd get 2nd tier internationals and top tier youngsters if we jumped into bed with him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on April 26, 2018, 08:05:50 PM
https://www.transfermarkt.com/mino-raiola/beraterfirma/berater/282

just so yous can go look at the players he has and stop making crap up
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 26, 2018, 08:07:15 PM
Reckon Allardyce will have his eye on Maxwell lolol
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 30, 2018, 03:19:53 PM
Isn't the week up now, time to make a decision Marcel!

(...and no, another week doesn't count...)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 30, 2018, 03:29:50 PM
Really, really hate the idea of just signing whoever Raiola wants us to.

Again, may as well swerve having a scouting, analysis or DOF role if thatís what weíre going to do.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 30, 2018, 03:34:56 PM
Isn't the week up now, time to make a decision Marcel!

(...and no, another week doesn't count...)

Decision day, giving a week, would be Thursday actually...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 30, 2018, 03:37:39 PM
Unfortunately we live in 'everton time'.
Anyone or anything to do with this club and a week is likely to be a month
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 30, 2018, 03:40:41 PM
To be honest I see it as being a positive thing. If SA is staying and brands had/has agreed to join as many it's claim is a done deal he'd have joined by now.
I'm hoping his lack of arrival is because he needs assurances of a new manager coming in first.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 30, 2018, 03:43:21 PM
There's no rush really is there
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 30, 2018, 03:48:24 PM
There's no rush really is there

Not sure really. Are there managers who would be interested in signing IF they see that Brands has signed up?
Bit of a catch 22 situation as I'm sure behind the scenes moshiri has/is contacting various managers he'd like to bring aboard.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 30, 2018, 03:51:41 PM
Not sure really. Are there managers who would be interested in signing IF they see that Brands has signed up?
Bit of a catch 22 situation as I'm sure behind the scenes moshiri has/is contacting various managers he'd like to bring aboard.

Id guess that one or two managerial targets have been spoken to on numerous occasions over the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 30, 2018, 03:52:51 PM
I bloody hope so
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on April 30, 2018, 04:59:29 PM
Really, really hate the idea of just signing whoever Raiola wants us to.

Again, may as well swerve having a scouting, analysis or DOF role if thatís what weíre going to do.

We wouldn't need scouts though. Raiola tends to represent the best. If he gets the best signing for us...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 02:25:05 PM
Fookin dragging on this saga ain't it !!!
How long ago did he say he'll let people know within a week???
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on May 02, 2018, 02:35:55 PM
Last Thursday the story was released, so maybe last Wednesday. So, today or tomorrow we should know by, if true.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 02:42:42 PM
Seems like at least a month ago
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on May 02, 2018, 02:53:15 PM
I'm pretty sure the story mentioned that we hadn't yet started negotiating with PSV themselves, as we were waiting on an answer from Brands, so add another 6-8 weeks on for those to take place.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: phillyt on May 03, 2018, 05:01:00 AM
I'm pretty sure the story mentioned that we hadn't yet started negotiating with PSV themselves, as we were waiting on an answer from Brands, so add another 6-8 weeks on for those to take place.

Would we need to negotiate with PSv? He wonít be on a fixed term contract like players/managers. He will have to give notice, Which he will most likely serve on gardening leave.  I guess they could stop him starting his new role until that notice is served.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 03, 2018, 09:35:12 PM
heard a rumor a week or so back that we would be getting Mino Raiola to be an agent to bring in some players... lol how would that even work with a new director of football,, and an anti footballing Sam Allerdyce... which of Raiola's stars would want to come here to play hoofball?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 09:38:07 PM
I'm pretty sure behind the scenes wheels are in motion that don't include hippo head
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 03, 2018, 09:39:48 PM
Hiving Lozano and Kenny Tete please Mino.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 09:40:44 PM
Hopefuuly fonseca will bring Bernard with him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 02:08:54 PM
Now saying he'll make up his mind after this weekend..ffs
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 04, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
Now saying he'll make up his mind after this weekend..ffs

Why does that sound different to he's on his way? He needs to know if Allardyce is off I reckon as part of his role will be selecting another one he can work with. Wouldn't surprise me if he said no thanks... It's the Everton way.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 04, 2018, 02:24:52 PM
Dutch season ends this weekend and maybe, he/we can't announce anything either way until then.

However, I think it is more likely, that he needs assurances of what his role (and who he will be working with) and the power that he will have here before deciding to leave a job, that he obviously enjoys and is comfortable in.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
I can only assume he's hanging on for confirmation of a certain appointment or something. Either he wants the job or he doesn't. If he does, but doesn't want allardyce, are we actually going to sack him (allardyce)straight after this next game and sign the new manager he's waiting for by the end of the weekend?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on May 04, 2018, 02:28:45 PM
Lets be honest, none of us have a fucking clue what is going on behind closed doors, we can speculate as much as we like to entertain our hopes, but until it has come either directly from the club or the man himself I'm having myself a huge pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 04, 2018, 02:35:34 PM
Lets be honest, none of us have a fucking clue what is going on behind closed doors, we can speculate as much as we like to entertain our hopes, but until it has come either directly from the club or the man himself I'm having myself a huge pinch of salt.

Not too much though mate as it is not good for your blood pressure but then again so is watching Everton this season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 02:40:10 PM
Well these are quotes directly from him. So he keeps pushing the timescale back. Nobody else.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 04, 2018, 02:43:40 PM
Well these are quotes directly from him. So he keeps pushing the timescale back. Nobody else.

Makes sense though at the end of the season, another couple of days and a bit of respect for the club he's been years at. No longer though.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 04, 2018, 02:45:03 PM
Well these are quotes directly from him. So he keeps pushing the timescale back. Nobody else.

Mate. Chill out.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 02:47:46 PM
I'm not sure it's that the. I think he won't commit until he has proof from moshiri that he's bringing someone else in.
I do wonder though if Brands was keen on teaming up with fonseca, and that with fonseca bumming us off (allegedly) that Brands is dragging his heels in to see what we come up with next.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 04, 2018, 02:50:28 PM
I'm not sure it's that the. I think he won't commit until he has proof from moshiri that he's bringing someone else in.
I do wonder though if Brands was keen on teaming up with fonseca, and that with fonseca bumming us off (allegedly) that Brands is dragging his heels in to see what we come up with next.

Not having a pop but you're just making a narrative up in your head.

It could well be that it's already sorted and signed off, and the club is waiting for an appropriate time to announce it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 04, 2018, 04:27:06 PM
I'm not sure it's that the. I think he won't commit until he has proof from moshiri that he's bringing someone else in.
I do wonder though if Brands was keen on teaming up with fonseca, and that with fonseca bumming us off (allegedly) that Brands is dragging his heels in to see what we come up with next.

That's a whole lot of wondering there brother.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 04:41:05 PM
Oh absolubtely. Just my mind figuring it all out.
What will be will be.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on May 04, 2018, 04:49:28 PM
Next he'll tell us he's going on holiday and deciding after that.

Frankly, this sounds like he's not too keen on the job.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 04, 2018, 04:53:21 PM
Next he'll tell us he's going on holiday and deciding after that.

Frankly, this sounds like he's not too keen on the job.

Frankly, I'm not sure anyone can read anything substantive into it at all. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 05:40:11 PM
I think it really depends on how much influence he's having on who becomes manager. Never quite sure who has the biggest influence on that decision. Ultimately the chairman I guess, but he must be having input if it's close to being done.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: boothill on May 04, 2018, 07:07:45 PM
Not having a pop but you're just making a narrative up in your head.

It could well be that it's already sorted and signed off, and the club is waiting for an appropriate time to announce it.
next derby is ages away though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 04, 2018, 08:07:42 PM
Again, there's absolutely no way he comes without a new manager, and one that he either has a hand in picking and/or is pleased to work with.  He's not coming to us cap in hand, that is looney tunes fantasy crap.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 04, 2018, 08:14:01 PM
Again, there's absolutely no way he comes without a new manager, and one that he either has a hand in picking and/or is pleased to work with.  He's not coming to us cap in hand, that is looney tunes fantasy crap.

Do you know him?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 04, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Do you know him?

Come on, mate, if you were a lauded DOF from the new champions of Holland would you want to come to England to enhance your career and/or reputation by working alongside Sam Allardyce, a manager who is very unpopular with his own clubís fanbase?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 05, 2018, 02:45:09 AM
Just playing devils advocate here but I was looking at the respective players bought through or signed from Walsh and Brands and if I had to pick one set id probably go for Walsh's efforts. I think Walsh has messed up big time and deserves to go,  but I'm also slightly confused why others seem to think Brands is the answer? Some are talking about him almost being a messiah based on what he's done with PSV,  in a league which is comparable to Scotland,  when again you could easily  argue Walsh's achievements at Leicester are miles ahead of that.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 05, 2018, 04:03:14 AM
Shades of Koeman again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on May 05, 2018, 04:46:05 AM
Just playing devils advocate here but I was looking at the respective players bought through or signed from Walsh and Brands and if I had to pick one set id probably go for Walsh's efforts. I think Walsh has messed up big time and deserves to go,  but I'm also slightly confused why others seem to think Brands is the answer? Some are talking about him almost being a messiah based on what he's done with PSV,  in a league which is comparable to Scotland,  when again you could easily  argue Walsh's achievements at Leicester are miles ahead of that.
Walsh wasn't solely responsible for Leicester's signings.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 05, 2018, 04:47:52 AM
Allardyce would not elaborate on how he sees any potential relationship with Brands unfolding but he did point out that all clubs now need Technical Directors to ease the burden on managers.

'Before Marcel Brands comes in, our position has to be the right flow for all departments to get to make the right decisions,' said Allardyce.

'Whatever we are doing and be brave enough to say no sometimes to what we want in terms of players coming in because sometimes it is too expensive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5692641/Sam-Allardyce-believes-trend-managerial-sackings-rising.html

Allardyces comments via the mail
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on May 05, 2018, 06:19:12 AM
Wow, so Brands confirmed then.

Like a turkey reminding you what 25th December is.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trublue on May 05, 2018, 06:29:48 AM
How does it work, with the Director of Football? Doe's the manager say I'd like a player for a certain position, then there and get them, or does the manager tell them I'd like to sign a certain player?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on May 05, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
How does it work, with the Director of Football? Doe's the manager say I'd like a player for a certain position, then there and get them, or does the manager tell them I'd like to sign a certain player?

Iíd guess the finer details differ but yeah, in theory manager says I want a forward who makes x dribbles a game or makes x sprints etc. DoF then produces alist to pick from.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 05, 2018, 12:51:54 PM
Walsh wasn't solely responsible for Leicester's signings.

And Brands has stated hes got 90 people working for him at PSV in that department, whats your point?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on May 05, 2018, 01:28:10 PM
Just playing devils advocate here but I was looking at the respective players bought through or signed from Walsh and Brands and if I had to pick one set id probably go for Walsh's efforts. I think Walsh has messed up big time and deserves to go,  but I'm also slightly confused why others seem to think Brands is the answer? Some are talking about him almost being a messiah based on what he's done with PSV,  in a league which is comparable to Scotland,  when again you could easily  argue Walsh's achievements at Leicester are miles ahead of that.

I work with an AZ fan who, when I mentioned the Brands rumour, spoke about him being the messiah while he was there. I donít follow Dutch football but he seems to be really respected by a lot of people here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Crackling on May 05, 2018, 04:31:01 PM
Just playing devils advocate here but I was looking at the respective players bought through or signed from Walsh and Brands and if I had to pick one set id probably go for Walsh's efforts. I think Walsh has messed up big time and deserves to go,  but I'm also slightly confused why others seem to think Brands is the answer? Some are talking about him almost being a messiah based on what he's done with PSV,  in a league which is comparable to Scotland,  when again you could easily  argue Walsh's achievements at Leicester are miles ahead of that.
You liken the Dutch league to Scotland, yet compare his signings to ones that a Premier League club's money and status can attract.
It's hardly a fair comparison.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on May 05, 2018, 04:44:32 PM
Brands has made money to the clubs he has worked with while still improving them. Walsh at Everton has managed to waste 200 million and make the team worse.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 05, 2018, 04:57:36 PM
So this is probably happening then eh? Doubt Allardyce would be name dropping him if it wasn't.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 05, 2018, 05:45:57 PM
So this is probably happening then eh? Doubt Allardyce would be name dropping him if it wasn't.

I also think heís dropping a name to associate and/or shift blame of his inevitable sacking, much like.... ďweíve all seen it before, when a new director comes in they like to bring in their own back room team and put their stamp on the club, me leaving Everton is not results or performance based decision blah blah blagĒ
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 05, 2018, 06:44:22 PM
Brands has made money to the clubs he has worked with while still improving them. Walsh at Everton has managed to waste 200 million and make the team worse.

Is the full 200 mil wasted? Pickford is looking good, Sig is a good player (admittedly overpriced), the likes of Vlasic, Onyekuru, Gueye, Walcott, and Tosun are either a success, unproven or the jury is still out. Keane and Schneiderlin are starting to pick up form but I'd agree are lookinglike big misses at the moment (along with Klaassen, Sandro).

Walsh's biggest problem was he was never able to get the most important aspect of the business done in the summer (Striker and LB). For that reason he has to take his fair share of responsibility for the shit of a season, but I'd like to see some of these signings given more time
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on May 05, 2018, 06:53:16 PM
No chance Brands walks in an immediately has the power to sack Allardyce.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 05, 2018, 07:15:26 PM
You liken the Dutch league to Scotland, yet compare his signings to ones that a Premier League club's money and status can attract.
It's hardly a fair comparison.
But surely there's a point in that,  he's picked up players at that level,  that admittedly have done well,  but we're all (including myself) willing to write Walsh off despite the fact he's done it on a much bigger scale previously.  Brands and PSV  are competing with Ajax, where as were small fry in the league and in Europe,  why are people so confident that his skills are transferable when you can see the difficulties someone that's proven in this league is having? That was the main point
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 05, 2018, 07:21:34 PM
But surely there's a point in that,  he's picked up players at that level,  that admittedly have done well,  but we're all (including myself) willing to write Walsh off despite the fact he's done it on a much bigger scale previously.  Brands and PSV  are competing with Ajax, where as were small fry in the league and in Europe,  why are people so confident that his skills are transferable when you can see the difficulties someone that's proven in this league is having? That was the main point

He's done it with AZ Alkmar as well.

Won the league with them which is a very impressive achievement.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 05, 2018, 07:40:28 PM
He's done it with AZ Alkmar as well.

Won the league with them which is a very impressive achievement.



Dont get me wrong im not saying hes bad, im just saying if we rewound 18 months we were all ecstatic when Walsh arrived cause his CV was just as good, if not better. I think we need to temper some of the enthusiasm as to what is achievable here, especially in the short term. For one ill be really keen to see the types of player we do attract and if he opens up a different market for us then it should be beneficial.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ridge on May 05, 2018, 07:54:50 PM
We signed Klaassen, who was one of the best players in the league and he can't get a kick.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 05, 2018, 07:58:20 PM
He's done it with AZ Alkmar as well.

Won the league with them which is a very impressive achievement.



And he's an actual DoF, and Head of Department overseeing 90 people. He understands the role, and how it should work, unlike (randomly, off the top of my head), promoting somebody else's scout into the role of DoF and then not even clearly delineating his roles and responsibilities.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 05, 2018, 08:13:30 PM
How have PSV done in Europe? I assume they are pretty much guaranteed qualification every year.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on May 05, 2018, 08:32:21 PM
How have PSV done in Europe? I assume they are pretty much guaranteed qualification every year.

2016Ė17 Champions League Group D
Germany Bayern Munich 1-2 (H), 1-4 (A)
Spain Atlťtico Madrid 0-1 (H), 0-2 (A)
Russia Rostov 0-0 (H), 2-2 (A)

not great is it even with the big teams in there
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 05, 2018, 09:41:11 PM
We signed Klaassen, who was one of the best players in the league and he can't get a kick.

In his defence the reason he can't get a kick is because his manager told anyone who was prepared to listen that he'd like to play him in these last few dead rubber games but if it doesn't work out he's wary of getting criticism for it and damaging his own reputation. Which for a manager of a football club, whose responsibility it is to develop the group of players he has, is about as self serving a comment you could wish to hear.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 05, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
I don't think Brands will particularly come in and make us great. Does he only find young talent in Holland?
I agree with a point made earlier that if a new manager comes in and suddenly klaasen looks good, then walsh's signings may not look too bad. Sandro was always a no brainer at 5 million.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Dunnaz on May 06, 2018, 02:06:58 AM
I don't think Brands will particularly come in and make us great. Does he only find young talent in Holland?
I agree with a point made earlier that if a new manager comes in and suddenly klaasen looks good, then walsh's signings may not look too bad. Sandro was always a no brainer at 5 million.
Brandsí thing is supposed to be his ability to identify you Central and South American talent for cheap that can be sold later on. I donít know how true that is, because there arenít that many players from there in PSVís first team squad but it certainly isnít exclusively Dutch by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 06, 2018, 02:34:37 AM
Brandsí thing is supposed to be his ability to identify you Central and South American talent for cheap that can be sold later on. I donít know how true that is, because there arenít that many players from there in PSVís first team squad but it certainly isnít exclusively Dutch by the looks of it.

Surely the problem with that is we wonít get work permits for them
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 06, 2018, 02:48:55 AM
Surely the problem with that is we wonít get work permits for them

Yeah, we best stick with Walsh and Allardyce
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 06, 2018, 02:55:01 AM
The thing with other leagues is that itís not necessarily the best players that will come and perform in our league itís finding the right player and I think heíll do that, like robben and kezman who were both amazing in the Dutch league, robben turned out to be a world class player whereas kezman utter shite
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on May 06, 2018, 02:56:14 AM
Yeah, we best stick with Walsh and Allardyce

This for me.

Weíve got the money to not be bothered about the risk/ cost of change.

Brands doesnít have to be a dead cert, nor a new manager.

They have to fit the profile and potential of what we want.

Then we see what happens.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Shogun on May 06, 2018, 05:20:30 AM
Think some need to remember that Brands doesn't manage the team on the pitch...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 06, 2018, 05:30:29 AM
The thing with other leagues is that itís not necessarily the best players that will come and perform in our league itís finding the right player and I think heíll do that, like robben and kezman who were both amazing in the Dutch league, robben turned out to be a world class player whereas kezman utter shite

Based on.....?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 06, 2018, 08:26:41 AM
Think some need to remember that Brands doesn't manage the team on the pitch...

Forget that.

He's from a foreign country so is automatically shite.

Let's stick with people who know the English game, because that's worked great for us

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Dunnaz on May 06, 2018, 08:45:46 AM
Surely the problem with that is we won't get work permits for them
Maybe, but we could always send them out on loan to another league which will give them a permit like Chelsea has been doing.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cassius on May 06, 2018, 04:50:52 PM
I know it has been speculated, but if Allardyce has confirmed Brands leaving PSV for us, before he's personally had a chance to control the message to fans and how he leaves his current employer, then what an absolute shit house thing for him to do.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 06, 2018, 05:31:51 PM
I know it has been speculated, but if Allardyce has confirmed Brands leaving PSV for us, before he's personally had a chance to control the message to fans and how he leaves his current employer, then what an absolute shit house thing for him to do.

Sam Allardyce, doing something shithouse?

Iím not having it, wash your mouth out, young man  :wag:

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 07, 2018, 10:54:29 PM
Rumour alert - to be announced this week
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 07, 2018, 10:56:16 PM
Rumour alert - to be announced this week

Everton will make progress on appointing PSV Eindhoven director of football Marcel Brands as their next director of football and an announcement of the appointment could be made this week. (Source: De Telegraaf)

Good source as well.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 07, 2018, 10:57:27 PM
Everton will make progress on appointing PSV Eindhoven director of football Marcel Brands as their next director of football and an announcement of the appointment could be made this week. (Source: De Telegraaf)

Good source as well.

That's the source I got it from. Glad you're here to provide linkage young Ram
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on May 07, 2018, 11:38:51 PM
Brands also linked with Chelsea according to Sportwitness
http://sportwitness.co.uk/netherlands-marcel-brands-everton-progress-week-work/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 07, 2018, 11:39:01 PM
It's a far better source than De Yourehavingalaaf.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 07, 2018, 11:48:20 PM
Brands also linked with Chelsea according to Sportwitness
http://sportwitness.co.uk/netherlands-marcel-brands-everton-progress-week-work/

That was a couple of seasons ago. Think they are saying that is who he's been linked with in the past
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 08, 2018, 12:13:33 AM
This is Chelsea's Director of Football, who has worked with Abromovich for a number of years, so they don't need a new one anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Granovskaia

In some pictures she has a resemblance to the gorgeous Eva Green.

Note to self, must read through thread before posting.

Will be glad to have him on board and hopefully, he can start to sort out the mess and formulate a plan that can be followed to move us forward.

Hopefully, this will shortly be followed with a new manager announcement.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on May 08, 2018, 12:13:41 AM
Good luck, Marcel.

The bar is low.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on May 08, 2018, 12:15:46 AM
Rumour alert - to be announced this week

So first week of August then?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on May 08, 2018, 12:55:21 AM
That was a couple of seasons ago. Think they are saying that is who he's been linked with in the past

Brands was heavily linked to Chelsea before Christmas when Michael Emenalo left them, all before the links with us began, and I think before heíd become a client of you know who.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 08, 2018, 01:01:44 AM
Brands was heavily linked to Chelsea before Christmas when Michael Emenalo left them, all before the links with us began, and I think before heíd become a client of you know who.

I knew it wasn't now. Didn't realise it was as recent as then though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on May 08, 2018, 01:12:04 AM
I knew it wasn't now. Didn't realise it was as recent as then though

Yeah and theyíve not filled the position either.

With Raiola involved itís not done until itís signed and sealed as we all know.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 08, 2018, 03:27:19 AM
Could mean Allardyce is off after hammers game? Could be a good week..
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 08, 2018, 03:38:52 AM
Could mean Allardyce is off after hammers game? Could be a good week..

Do not get my hopes up old man!! 😁
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 08, 2018, 03:46:24 AM
Do not get my hopes up old man!! 😁

Hope's all that keeps me going Brownie.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 08, 2018, 03:56:29 AM
Could mean Allardyce is off after hammers game? Could be a good week..

Youre undercooking it somewhat.

That would be a a fucking brilliant week.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 08, 2018, 08:02:46 PM
Still don’t really know if this is even a good idea, seems a little bit like another wild gamble to me, but fuck it, why not?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on May 09, 2018, 05:41:24 PM
from the Twittersphere............
PSV director Gerbrands: We can be proud if Brands leaves for Everton
PSV Eindhoven GM Toon Gerbrands concedes they could lose sports director Marcel Brands to Everton.
For the moment, Brands is still to commit to joining the Premier League outfit. However, Gerbrands admits PSV could lose him this summer.
He told Voetbal International: "If Marcel decides to leave, that is firstly a serious loss for PSV. But also for me personally, because I worked very well with him for nine years.
"On the other hand, it is also a very big compliment for Marcel and PSV. He has a very good name abroad and he is without doubt the architect of the technical organisation, the scouting and the training of PSV.
"The structure he has made here is worth gold."
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 09, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
from the Twittersphere............
PSV director Gerbrands: We can be proud if Brands leaves for Everton
PSV Eindhoven GM Toon Gerbrands concedes they could lose sports director Marcel Brands to Everton.
For the moment, Brands is still to commit to joining the Premier League outfit. However, Gerbrands admits PSV could lose him this summer.
He told Voetbal International: "If Marcel decides to leave, that is firstly a serious loss for PSV. But also for me personally, because I worked very well with him for nine years.
"On the other hand, it is also a very big compliment for Marcel and PSV. He has a very good name abroad and he is without doubt the architect of the technical organisation, the scouting and the training of PSV.
"The structure he has made here is worth gold."

Totally off topic but the PSV GMs name would not look out of place in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2018, 06:27:41 PM
Still donít really know if this is even a good idea, seems a little bit like another wild gamble to me, but fuck it, why not?

I get that we're all a bit healthily sceptical about everything, but why? Surely if you want to improve and appoint someone in a key role, you identify someone who's been doing a good job elsewhere, and try to appoint them.

I mean appointing anyone, anywhere has some element of risk. Going out of the house in the morning is also risky.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2018, 06:40:37 PM
I get that we're all a bit healthily sceptical about everything, but why? Surely if you want to improve and appoint someone in a key role, you identify someone who's been doing a good job elsewhere, and try to appoint them.

I mean appointing anyone, anywhere has some element of risk. Going out of the house in the morning is also risky.

Yeah I get that 100% and Iím trying to see it as a positive. As youíve said previously I think, at least weíre hiring someone who has been in that role previously. And as glewis said when I mentioned the different way PSv operate - he still had to get them performing at s high level not just turn a profit ala Southampton so hopefully the remit here wonít be too different.

My skepticism comes from my lack of faith in moshiri and the rest of the gang, and as I say I donít know if itís a good move because thereís only a few weeks til the window and we still donít know any further than weíve targeted him publically while we still have the old guy in place, feels a bit chaotic and not conducive to a smooth summer but - we may well need to break some eggs to make this particular omelette and I would rather get him than not.

P.s not psyched about the raiola stuff either but suspect that is paper talk.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on May 09, 2018, 06:48:52 PM
Taking his sweet fucking time deciding.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2018, 07:14:10 PM
Taking his sweet fucking time deciding.

If he's like this over a job, what will he be like in transfers? Might make Dithering Dave look positively quick.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 10, 2018, 12:19:47 AM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/everton-s-wayne-rooney-to-wait-on-allardyce-decision-before-resolving-future-vvrxn9kcm

Joyce confirms brands... That's good enough for me tbh
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2018, 12:32:31 AM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/everton-s-wayne-rooney-to-wait-on-allardyce-decision-before-resolving-future-vvrxn9kcm

Joyce confirms brands... That's good enough for me tbh

Can we get this copy and pasted please :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on May 10, 2018, 12:41:29 AM
Yeah joyce has confirmed it, the start of us sorting ourselves out hopefully, big clearout needed

To me that confirms that allardyce wont be here next season too, you don't buy a fancy DOF and have a total dinosaur as a manager
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on May 10, 2018, 12:42:02 AM
Wayne Rooneyís future will only be resolved when Everton offer clarity on whether Sam Allardyce will remain as the manager next season.

The former England captain wants to stay at Goodison Park, but until he knows if he is part of the clubís plans then his position is, to a degree, clouded.

There is interest in Rooney from Major League Soccer with DC United holding a long-standing desire to recruit the 32-year-old and also from China.

Whether Rooney could move to Washington this summer depends on a number of factors not least major shareholder Farhad Moshiri deciding whether to sack Allardyce and appoint a third permanent manager since 2016.

Allardyce, too, is awaiting a decision from Moshiri, who is facing a pivotal summer when his vision for Everton must take a step towards fruition.

Rooney is Evertonís leading goalscorer this season with ten goals, but has been dropped to the bench on occasions by Allardyce and substituted in other games with his ability to play in a midfield role against elite opposition having been questioned.

Allardyce said in an interview with talkSPORT this week that their relationship is fine, yet he has been unable to give Rooney assurances that he would remain integral to his plans if he stays in the dug-out.

Similarly, Rooney ó who has 12 months remaining on his contract ó does not know where he would stand with any successor. Marco Silva was Moshiriís first choice ahead of Allardyce to replace Ronald Koeman in October only for Watford to reject an approach before subsequently sacking the Portuguese. Silva is still a strong candidate for Everton.

While the situation applies to every Everton player, Rooneyís status - allied to the fact that he rejected offers and took a pay cut to return to his boyhood club from Manchester United last summer - means he finds himself at the centre of the intrigue.

The prospect of contingency plans being drawn up in the event of him not being wanted are understandable, although Everton have deeper issues than sanctioning the departure of their leading scorer for the second successive summer. Romelu Lukaku was sold last year to United.

The onus is on Moshiri to act decisively after an underwhelming campaign. Marcel Brands is arriving from PSV Eindhoven to replace Steve Walsh as the clubís director of football, although there is the possibility of Walsh retaining a scouting role.

Progress also needs to be made with the appointment of a new chief executive to replace Robert Elstone and with financing for the proposed new stadium in Bramley-Moore dock.

Yet the managerial position is central to everything, not least to Rooneyís future plans.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2018, 12:44:07 AM
Wayne Rooneyís future will only be resolved when Everton offer clarity on whether Sam Allardyce will remain as the manager next season.

The former England captain wants to stay at Goodison Park, but until he knows if he is part of the clubís plans then his position is, to a degree, clouded.

There is interest in Rooney from Major League Soccer with DC United holding a long-standing desire to recruit the 32-year-old and also from China.

Whether Rooney could move to Washington this summer depends on a number of factors not least major shareholder Farhad Moshiri deciding whether to sack Allardyce and appoint a third permanent manager since 2016.

Allardyce, too, is awaiting a decision from Moshiri, who is facing a pivotal summer when his vision for Everton must take a step towards fruition.

Rooney is Evertonís leading goalscorer this season with ten goals, but has been dropped to the bench on occasions by Allardyce and substituted in other games with his ability to play in a midfield role against elite opposition having been questioned.

Allardyce said in an interview with talkSPORT this week that their relationship is fine, yet he has been unable to give Rooney assurances that he would remain integral to his plans if he stays in the dug-out.

Similarly, Rooney ó who has 12 months remaining on his contract ó does not know where he would stand with any successor. Marco Silva was Moshiriís first choice ahead of Allardyce to replace Ronald Koeman in October only for Watford to reject an approach before subsequently sacking the Portuguese. Silva is still a strong candidate for Everton.

While the situation applies to every Everton player, Rooneyís status - allied to the fact that he rejected offers and took a pay cut to return to his boyhood club from Manchester United last summer - means he finds himself at the centre of the intrigue.

The prospect of contingency plans being drawn up in the event of him not being wanted are understandable, although Everton have deeper issues than sanctioning the departure of their leading scorer for the second successive summer. Romelu Lukaku was sold last year to United.

The onus is on Moshiri to act decisively after an underwhelming campaign. Marcel Brands is arriving from PSV Eindhoven to replace Steve Walsh as the clubís director of football, although there is the possibility of Walsh retaining a scouting role.

Progress also needs to be made with the appointment of a new chief executive to replace Robert Elstone and with financing for the proposed new stadium in Bramley-Moore dock.

Yet the managerial position is central to everything, not least to Rooneyís future plans.

Sound.

Like the thought of Walsh staying on in a scouting role tbh.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on May 10, 2018, 01:07:35 AM
comment from some kopite in The Times following the above article................

<<<  Alan Bama
12 minutes ago
EFC fans so vocal about ousting Big Sam. They should have been relegated under the hapless Unsworth ("We need time to get information in to their heads"). Sam turned it around simply by sitting in the stand! They played like Billeo against WHUFC.
Let them get rid of Sam for a foreign Johnny: watch them fall and get relegated. I will laugh my head off as EFC play at home to Tranmere.
really the EFC fans are lacking in both memory and class. They should beg Sam to stay and take them into Europe.
In denial, all of them, And the owner is dreaming. >>>
 lolol
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 10, 2018, 01:09:20 AM
Sound.

Like the thought of Walsh staying on in a scouting role tbh.

Same. He clearly knows his onions,would be good to keep that knowledge on the payroll. I think even heíd admit he seems a bit lost in the DoF role.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 10, 2018, 01:10:33 AM
comment from some kopite in The Times following the above article................

<<<  Alan Bama
12 minutes ago
EFC fans so vocal about ousting Big Sam. They should have been relegated under the hapless Unsworth ("We need time to get information in to their heads"). Sam turned it around simply by sitting in the stand! They played like Billeo against WHUFC.
Let them get rid of Sam for a foreign Johnny: watch them fall and get relegated. I will laugh my head off as EFC play at home to Tranmere.
really the EFC fans are lacking in both memory and class. They should beg Sam to stay and take them into Europe.
In denial, all of them, And the owner is dreaming. >>>
 lolol


For a bunch of fans who don't think much of us and the club, they don't half have a lot to say.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 10, 2018, 01:27:23 AM
Wayne Rooneyís future will only be resolved when Everton offer clarity on whether Sam Allardyce will remain as the manager next season.

The former England captain wants to stay at Goodison Park, but until he knows if he is part of the clubís plans then his position is, to a degree, clouded.

There is interest in Rooney from Major League Soccer with DC United holding a long-standing desire to recruit the 32-year-old and also from China.

Whether Rooney could move to Washington this summer depends on a number of factors not least major shareholder Farhad Moshiri deciding whether to sack Allardyce and appoint a third permanent manager since 2016.

Allardyce, too, is awaiting a decision from Moshiri, who is facing a pivotal summer when his vision for Everton must take a step towards fruition.

Rooney is Evertonís leading goalscorer this season with ten goals, but has been dropped to the bench on occasions by Allardyce and substituted in other games with his ability to play in a midfield role against elite opposition having been questioned.

Allardyce said in an interview with talkSPORT this week that their relationship is fine, yet he has been unable to give Rooney assurances that he would remain integral to his plans if he stays in the dug-out.

Similarly, Rooney ó who has 12 months remaining on his contract ó does not know where he would stand with any successor. Marco Silva was Moshiriís first choice ahead of Allardyce to replace Ronald Koeman in October only for Watford to reject an approach before subsequently sacking the Portuguese. Silva is still a strong candidate for Everton.

While the situation applies to every Everton player, Rooneyís status - allied to the fact that he rejected offers and took a pay cut to return to his boyhood club from Manchester United last summer - means he finds himself at the centre of the intrigue.

The prospect of contingency plans being drawn up in the event of him not being wanted are understandable, although Everton have deeper issues than sanctioning the departure of their leading scorer for the second successive summer. Romelu Lukaku was sold last year to United.

The onus is on Moshiri to act decisively after an underwhelming campaign. Marcel Brands is arriving from PSV Eindhoven to replace Steve Walsh as the clubís director of football, although there is the possibility of Walsh retaining a scouting role.

Progress also needs to be made with the appointment of a new chief executive to replace Robert Elstone and with financing for the proposed new stadium in Bramley-Moore dock.

Yet the managerial position is central to everything, not least to Rooneyís future plans.

Excellent news, Allardyce is deffo gone
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Confucius on May 10, 2018, 01:34:56 AM
Reckon the issues we have had over the last two years are Kenwrightís fault. Too buddy buddy, not enough vision and not enough ambition. He has had too much say and reckon Moshiri is sick of it and taking over.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2018, 01:50:45 AM
Reckon the issues we have had over the last two years are Kenwrightís fault. Too buddy buddy, not enough vision and not enough ambition. He has had too much say and reckon Moshiri is sick of it and taking over.


Would be a convenient narrative but a few too many bits and bobs have happened to make me think weíre being passed from circus to circus.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 10, 2018, 01:56:38 AM
Same. He clearly knows his onions,would be good to keep that knowledge on the payroll. I think even heíd admit he seems a bit lost in the DoF role.

Weíve (the club) really not helped him either. I actually donít think heís even had a go at the role. Nothing was defined and hence the shit storm that followed with some blame for everyone
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 15, 2018, 04:44:55 PM
Not saying much more than has been reported recently but here goes.

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2018/05/15/everton-linked-technical-director-to-take-decision-on-future-soon/375540/

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 15, 2018, 11:19:42 PM
I can't help but feel he won't commit until he literally knows Sam has gone.
Whether he knows or is waiting to see who gets hired is also stopping him signing is another matter.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 16, 2018, 12:50:28 AM
Weíve (the club) really not helped him either. I actually donít think heís even had a go at the role. Nothing was defined and hence the shit storm that followed with some blame for everyone

The thing with Walsh is you wouldn't know he was there. He doesn't communicate his ideas or what he's trying to achieve. Maybe that's not in his job spec but it would help us understand him if we knew he actually spoke. Since his appointment I've never heard a press release from him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 16, 2018, 12:55:59 AM
Splitting the baby a little on Moshiri - I want him to both take responsibility for his SHARED role in the clusterfuckery of the last several years (especially falling for the Alardyche shite), and also take on more sole responsibility in fixing things going forward.

I mean, really.  It's his club now.  Time to step up.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on May 16, 2018, 12:58:41 AM
Splitting the baby a little on Moshiri - I want him to both take responsibility for his SHARED role in the clusterfuckery of the last several years (especially falling for the Alardyche shite), and also take on more sole responsibility in fixing things going forward.

I mean, really.  It's his club now.  Time to step up.

"several" years??

Jesus, man. He's owned us for just 2 years now.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 16, 2018, 01:00:13 AM
oops, I thought it was 2.5-3.  I am not super awesome with time.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on May 16, 2018, 01:05:08 AM
oops, I thought it was 2.5-3.  I am not super awesome with time.

lol

I believe He came in at the end of 2015/16 season when Martinez was let go. Brought in Koeman and Walsh and we had a solid season. Then this season started...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on May 16, 2018, 01:08:31 AM
The thing with Walsh is you wouldn't know he was there. He doesn't communicate his ideas or what he's trying to achieve. Maybe that's not in his job spec but it would help us understand him if we knew he actually spoke. Since his appointment I've never heard a press release from him.

This is the closest you will get to the type of person he is and what he is supposed to do.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 16, 2018, 03:39:36 AM
Every time I see Steve Walsh I have to double check Iíve got his age right.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 16, 2018, 03:43:10 AM
This is the closest you will get to the type of person he is and what he is supposed to do.


He is mind-numbingly dull, bless him
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Tony Clifton on May 16, 2018, 04:59:06 AM
I can't help but feel he won't commit until he literally knows Sam has gone.
Whether he knows or is waiting to see who gets hired is also stopping him signing is another matter.

DoF should be heavily involved in identifying the "perfect candidate" for any managerial/coaching role at the club.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 16, 2018, 05:45:20 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootballOranje_/status/996512708966141952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23996512708966141952
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on May 16, 2018, 06:04:14 AM
Board restructure, then managerial restructure. Makes sense.
Title: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 16, 2018, 06:58:13 AM
We seem to be getting our affairs in order quick smart, has to be a good sign
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on May 16, 2018, 10:27:55 AM
We seem to be getting our affairs in order quick smart, has to be a good sign

Window opens on Thursday.

Glad to see we actually give a shit. Or are at least trying to give a shit.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 16, 2018, 01:10:13 PM
If we have allardyce out and brands in by the end of the week Iíll be a very happy chappy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on May 16, 2018, 02:27:04 PM
We seem to be getting our affairs in order quick smart, has to be a good sign
Just like getting all the deals done early last summer ?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 02:38:56 PM
Just like getting all the deals done early last summer ?

Not all the deals, some.
The two main deals that needed to be done weren't done at all last summer.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on May 16, 2018, 02:39:41 PM
Just like getting all the deals done early last summer ?

This.

We where actually efficient in getting deals over the line last summer, they where just the wrong ones.

Recruitment is vital this time around.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 16, 2018, 03:05:20 PM
This.

We where actually efficient in getting deals over the line last summer, they where just the wrong ones.

Recruitment is vital this time around.

Was only because we overpaid though.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 16, 2018, 04:10:33 PM
Just like getting all the deals done early last summer ?
After the shit fight that was dished up last season hopefully weíve learned a lot of expensive lessons, there the ones that make you wiser.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on May 16, 2018, 04:51:58 PM
Not all the deals, some.
The two main deals that needed to be done weren't done at all last summer.
Well if they weren't done then they weren't deals!! Shall I explain ?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 05:01:31 PM
Well if they weren't done then they weren't deals!! Shall I explain ?

You may need to, because your condescending tone coupled with your pig-headed idiocy sometimes confuses people.

The use of the word *all* seemed incorrect. We carried on doing deals late into the summer.
My two sentences were mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/996695139912441856
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2018, 05:27:07 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/996695139912441856

Should be done now not in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: DanDan on May 16, 2018, 05:29:42 PM
Should be done now not in a few weeks.

The Dutch love their summer holidays remember
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on May 16, 2018, 05:29:47 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/996695139912441856

"The coming weeks" is no good. He needs to be in place asap and so does the new manager.

If they're going to work together and identify targets for a certain system then is has to be done sooner rather than later

With the world cup this summer and the shortened transfer window there's no time for waiting a few weeks, we need to hit the ground running mid August with everything in place and a sense of stability rather than chaos
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 16, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/996695139912441856

I believe he has a golfing holiday booked in Portugal with a few of the old Dutch legends.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 07:09:04 PM
I believe he has a golfing holiday booked in Portugal with a few of the old Dutch legends.
Does Moshiri play golf? Get it done on the course like all other deals are done.

Ffs presidents of the USA has been doing it for years.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on May 16, 2018, 08:09:59 PM
You may need to, because your condescending tone coupled with your pig-headed idiocy sometimes confuses people.

The use of the word *all* seemed incorrect. We carried on doing deals late into the summer.
My two sentences were mutually exclusive.
You are a prick sometimes if you would care to look at the context of my comment ,it was meant to illustrate that our recent history of getting things done is not that good .and this pig headed idiocy seems to go both ways .Now get back on ye perch
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Robioto on May 16, 2018, 09:10:03 PM
https://twitter.com/psveindhoven/status/996753832356007939

PSV saying good luck at Everton. Matter of time now...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 09:12:24 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/996754725235298304

Myers using the phrsae "replace Steve Walsh".
Could mean one of two things really.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
Awesome. Moshiri's getting shit done.

He must've been sitting on all of this and planning it all for months. Bet he's buzzing he can finally put it into action.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 16, 2018, 09:16:51 PM
Things are starting to take shape.... Brands news now on SSN yellow banner. Cobb.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 09:17:54 PM
Hahaha, maybe he was waiting for the Allardyce news after all.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: pjk on May 16, 2018, 09:28:55 PM
This is more like it. Where Steve walsh is concerned, I read somewhere that he's been offered a scouting role. :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2018, 09:29:36 PM
Boss.

Looks like there's been an actual coherent plan all along.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 16, 2018, 09:30:10 PM
Hahaha, maybe he was waiting for the Allardyce news after all.

You would definitely think so now wouldn't you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluenose 91 on May 16, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
Does feel like a proper fresh start is beginning now.

Please god don't fuck this up again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 09:32:20 PM
Today is a very good day
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2018, 09:33:07 PM
Feel proper boss here. Grin on my face sitting at my desk like a knobhead.

Don't even know why. Just feels like a completely new Everton now.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 09:33:16 PM
Holy cow.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 09:33:47 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/996759182341820417
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 09:34:27 PM
I'm going for a pint, fuck it
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Risky on May 16, 2018, 09:34:52 PM
It's amazing what positive stuff can do for you. All of a sudden I'm excited about about football again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on May 16, 2018, 09:35:20 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/996759182341820417

That is the correct order.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 09:36:03 PM
Jesus, i saw somebody give Allardyce a bit of praise saying that the club was rocked after last summers high and now we can go into this August in the same frame of mine.
Didn't really get it, but my optimism has just shot back up to last year when we were signing boss players like Pickford and Keane really early.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: eugene on May 16, 2018, 09:36:30 PM
Just like getting all the deals done early last summer ?
Please mate letís have some peace
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 09:38:50 PM
Brands is a proper DoF who's done that role at a few clubs for years. He gets the brief. It's so much better than hiring some arl fella who once spotted Mahrez.

Thank fuck for the reset button.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 09:39:31 PM
Deffo getting our mojo back arnt we

*Awaits obvious reply
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 16, 2018, 09:40:51 PM
Deffo getting our mojo back arnt we

*Awaits obvious reply

That was a quick pint.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lazarou on May 16, 2018, 09:41:02 PM
Is it sad that I just got my first case of Toffee goosebumps in I don't know how long, by a new director of football of all things!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gary1878 on May 16, 2018, 09:41:55 PM
I know this isn't the right thread, but I have received information today from a very close source that Kenwright is potentially being pushed out sooner rather than later, as Moshiri wants full control. It is from one of Bill's close friends in football so i have no reason not to believe him.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 16, 2018, 09:42:00 PM
Hopefully brands will bolster our opinions of SA  instead of the allardyce loving media. when asked he'll reply "I only said I'd come if they got rid of someone I couldn't possibly have imagined working with."
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 09:42:08 PM
Marcel Brands: ďIt is a very difficult decision, but I think this is a good step at the right time. I have had a great time here and PSV gave me the choice to do it for more years. Itís really hard to let go of something thatís good, but Iím going to do that now.Ē

ďIn my job, the Premier League is of course a great thing. It is the biggest competition in the world, in all respects. Now, I get the chance to do something there in my own way. I am looking forward to that.Ē
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 16, 2018, 09:42:24 PM
Does he start his job on the 1st June?

If so we won't have a manager announced before then, I would assume?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on May 16, 2018, 09:43:19 PM
Everton have done well last couple of days
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on May 16, 2018, 09:50:28 PM
Brands selecting the new manager? Let's hope we don't see this...

(https://www.sportlineng.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/brands_marcel_van_gaal_54_Diashow.jpg)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 16, 2018, 09:53:36 PM
https://twitter.com/GierSam/status/996756746604511232?s=20

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 09:54:27 PM
Bizarre how much a bit of good news can brighten us all up, instead of going into the summer pissed off we're all smiling and excited because we're finally doing things right
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 16, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
Bizarre how much a bit of good news can brighten us all up, instead of going into the summer pissed off we're all smiling and excited because we're finally doing things right

The fact it has been done so quickly, is the most pleasing for me as this summer window is truncated due to the World Cup. Having a DOF, who has experience of hiring (and firing) managers, in charge of the appointment of our new manager, is a real positive.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Tinga on May 16, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Apparently this Brands doesn't know how to sign a left back, he'll fit right in at Everton!.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 09:59:13 PM
At least we're not dependent on a manager for signing players immediately. That will be in the hands of Brands.

Hey that rhymes.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
The fact it has been done so quickly, is the most pleasing for me as this summer window is truncated due to the World Cup. Having a DOF, who has experience of hiring (and firing) managers, in charge of the appointment of our new manager, is a real positive.

Moshiri has obviously had enough of how shit we were and finally cracked his whip
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on May 16, 2018, 10:07:14 PM
I've been supporting Everton for 50 years, so, although I'm feeling happier and a bit more positive, I won't be smiling too widely in public until we sign a Manager that sounds like Silva, Fonseca, or even Howe, rather than Moyes or LvG.

Everton, no matter how much you love it, does that to you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on May 16, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/996759182341820417

That's promising. Hopefully decision about the manager is not made yet, and there are more and better candidates than Silva.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 16, 2018, 10:07:38 PM
Boss!!! Off for a bevvie after my meeting :D
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on May 16, 2018, 10:08:50 PM
My friend says he was already onboard and has already had talks over the future etc. He took his time to make it known so the focus was on PSV and now the season has ended he finished a couple of deals he was already working on for PSV, but he already has had an influence on Everton. He did not go into which influence it was but has talked multiple times. He also IS interested in bringing Lozano and Ziyech, he doesnít want to upset PSV so he doesnít know how hard he will try for Lozano and Ziyech is in talks with Roma so wether that will or will not come off is also uncertain. If he lets me know anything else I will let you guys know!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plowman2 on May 16, 2018, 10:18:50 PM
My friend says he was already onboard and has already had talks over the future etc. He took his time to make it known so the focus was on PSV and now the season has ended he finished a couple of deals he was already working on for PSV, but he already has had an influence on Everton. He did not go into which influence it was but has talked multiple times. He also IS interested in bringing Lozano and Ziyech, he doesnít want to upset PSV so he doesnít know how hard he will try for Lozano and Ziyech is in talks with Roma so wether that will or will not come off is also uncertain. If he lets me know anything else I will let you guys know!
I just can't express enough how much I want Ziyech to sign for us.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 10:22:11 PM
Given that he's left PSV on very amicable terms, with their blessing, maybe it'll be more palatable to go back in for their best players. And maybe those players would be more willing to come, under his stewardship.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on May 16, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
Brilliant work to get this done early in a World Cup year.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on May 16, 2018, 10:23:34 PM
what positions are Lozano and Ziyech? Not really up to date with the dutch league
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 16, 2018, 10:25:03 PM
what positions are Lozano and Ziyech? Not really up to date with the dutch league

Winger and attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 16, 2018, 10:25:46 PM
Lozano would be a major coup.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Outworlder47 on May 16, 2018, 10:28:31 PM
Just noting that Ziyech is an Ajax player, so even if there were a gentleman's agreement in place about pursuing PSV's players, it wouldn't apply to the Moroccan midfielder.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: DanDan on May 16, 2018, 10:29:31 PM
Does this mean Walsh is getting the boot or will he just be an over paid Scout
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on May 16, 2018, 10:31:21 PM
I just can't express enough how much I want Ziyech to sign for us.

I am trying also to get info out of an ex Ajax player on Ziyech, but he is being a right dick! He either doesnít know anything or he is just messing with me he just keeps smiling and saying he doesnít know but in a way it looks as though he does know!!! He is normally straight forward and this is getting to me and he knows it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2018, 10:31:53 PM
Lozano would be a game changer.

Him, Walcott and lookman and we suddenly have one of the best set of wide men in the league
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bally on May 16, 2018, 10:33:12 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/05/16/brands-becomes-everton-new-director-of-football

Done
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2018, 10:34:04 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/05/16/brands-becomes-everton-new-director-of-football

Quote
Marcel Brands has outlined his ideas and ambitions for Everton having joined the Club as Director of Football.

The Dutchman, 56, has established a reputation for developing players and building clubs, overseeing PSV Eindhovenís charge to the Eredivisie title in three of the past four seasons having previously been instrumental in transforming the fortunes of RKC Waalwijk and AZ Alkmaar.

In his role as technical director at RKC Waalwijk, he appointed Martin Jol as manager in 1998 and, despite operating on one of the lowest budgets in the Eredivisie, RKC rose to within touching distance of qualification for European football.

In 2005 Brands assumed a similar role at AZ Alkmaar and, working with Louis van Gaal, consolidated on second and third-place finishes in 2006 and 2007 respectively to secure the Eredivisie title in 2009.

Playing fluid, passing football, AZ became the first Dutch side outside the traditional ĎBig Threeí powerhouses of Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV Eindhoven to win the title in 28 years.

In 2010 Brands was lured to PSV and tasked with refocussing the teamís transfer strategy and underperforming academy while extending the scouting network.

Building one of the youngest teams ever to win the Eredivisie, Brands has helped PSV to sustained success with back-to-back titles in 2014/15 and 2015/16 followed up with the Dutch teamís 24th Eredivisie title this season, clinched with an emphatic 3-0 home win over Ajax.

ďIt is a privilege to be joining Everton as Director of Football and I am incredibly excited to take on this challenge,Ē said Brands.

ďThe fantastic passion of the fans for their Club, the magnificent history of the Club over the years and the ambition and purpose we have as people tasked with driving the Club forward all mean that we need to be competing for honours against the Premier League elite.

ďIt is no straightforward challenge but this must be our motivation each and every day.

ďI am looking forward to working with Farhad Moshiri and Chairman Bill Kenwright, whom I thank for entrusting me with this role and responsibility, and I am also looking forward to working with the Board of Directors and with our new CEO, Denise Barrett-Baxendale. I know we have very committed people here who want only the best for Everton.

ďIt is only a challenge such as this which could have persuaded me to leave PSV where I am indebted to the many people whose collective effort led to some great achievements.

ďNow we will look to build something really strong and lasting here at Everton.Ē

Evertonís major shareholder, Farhad Moshiri, added: ďMarcelís record of achievement has cemented his reputation across Europe and I am extremely pleased that we will be bringing his drive, energy and expertise to Everton.

ďIt was clear to me in our conversations that he shares in the vision we have for the Club and he has much to contribute in making us better and more equipped to challenge the top teams in the Premier League.Ē

Chairman Bill Kenwright said: ďI would like to welcome Marcel to Everton Football Club and Iím looking forward to working with him. His successful track record is there for all to see and having him here to help lead Everton forward is something which Iím sure will excite all Evertonians.Ē

Everton Director, Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale, said: ďIím very much looking forward to working closely with Marcel whose experience in the areas of player recruitment and development pathways for young players has forged an outstanding reputation in European football. I know that Marcel will bring an unsurpassed level of quality and prowess to his work at Everton.

ďChief among my priorities is to structure and resource our Club to enable us to fully achieve our ambitions. We will work alongside Marcel on the recruitment of a new manager, which is now our biggest focus.Ē

Marcel replaces Steve Walsh who joined the Club in July 2016. Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale added: ďOn behalf of the Board and Mr Moshiri, Iíd also like to express our thanks to Steve Walsh, our first ever Director of Football, who has now left the Club. We all wish Steve well for his future.Ē
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2018, 10:34:06 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/05/16/brands-becomes-everton-new-director-of-football

Walsh has gone
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 10:36:09 PM
Buzzing.

Brands - ďIt is only a challenge such as this which could have persuaded me to leave PSV where I am indebted to the many people whose collective effort led to some great achievements.

ďNow we will look to build something really strong and lasting here at Everton.Ē
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 10:36:49 PM
Wow, this is a fantastic clear out.

The club has listened and is delivering.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 10:36:54 PM
Walsh gone, fucking hell what day
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 10:37:26 PM
Love him already
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 16, 2018, 10:41:43 PM
Proper DILF vibes from Brands.

The kind of fella whoís 20 years older than you but looks like he could nail your missus at least 20 times longer.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 10:43:38 PM
Proper DILF vibes from Brands.

The kind of fella whoís 20 years older than you but looks like he could nail your missus at least 20 times longer.

If he brings Lozano, he's welcome to have a session with the Mrs.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 16, 2018, 10:47:05 PM
The problem with all this...? Iíve gone and got my fucking hopes up again!

Weíre back laaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Juanito on May 16, 2018, 10:48:35 PM
The problem with all this...? Iíve gone and got my fucking hopes up again!

Weíre back laaaaaaaaaaaaa!

EVERTOOOOON FC
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 16, 2018, 10:53:20 PM
Weíve gone about this in the right order. At least we know any incoming manager has been approved by Brands.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 16, 2018, 10:55:31 PM
What a day.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 10:55:42 PM
Proper cleaned house haven't we, ruthless
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on May 16, 2018, 10:57:17 PM
Yeah, Iím not going to pass any judgment ó good or bad ó on any of the new personnel weíre bringing in.

Iím just pleased that we appear to be doing things in an organized and coherent way, which is all I can really ask for from the people who run club.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2018, 10:57:22 PM
Weíve gone about this in the right order. At least we know any incoming manager has been approved by Brands.

Given the way all the dominoes have fallen over the last 24 hrs I expect the incoming manager has already been approved by Brands and the board. In fact Iíd expect thereís been preliminary talks been the two about targets and strategies as well.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 16, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
So assuming ive read right and he's joining June 1st and he apparently will come in and choose the manager, are we therefore not expecting any manager news for 2 weeks?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sirblue57 on May 16, 2018, 10:58:08 PM
Its like we are a professional outfit at last..
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 16, 2018, 11:02:02 PM
Christ was it the other day that Allardyce mentioned in a SSN interview that he wouldn't mind working with Marcel Brands, well Brands has given him his answer, the same day Sam's sacked, Brands takes the job.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on May 16, 2018, 11:03:04 PM
Great news.

Absolutely PMSL, ROFL & LMFAO at Walsh leaving the club, what an absolute bag of shite he was.

Its good that it seems Brands is going to have a major say in the next managerial appointment which is how it should be.

Get in, got my first Everton hard on in ages.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 11:05:08 PM
It feels like last summer again :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 16, 2018, 11:05:16 PM
Walsh gone completely has made my day.  I didn't want him lingering, even in a basement office playing solitaire.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 16, 2018, 11:06:49 PM
Yeah, I'm not going to pass any judgment ó good or bad ó on any of the new personnel we're bringing in.

I'm just pleased that we appear to be doing things in an organized and coherent way, which is all I can really ask for from the people who run club.
Indeed, none of these appointments guarantee success but they prove that Moshiri is prepared to rip it up and start again. Heís essentially held his hands up to what proceeded and gone Ďright, letís do this fucking properly this timeí.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 16, 2018, 11:07:04 PM
Today has been a good day
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on May 16, 2018, 11:09:13 PM
Walsh gone!!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gash on May 16, 2018, 11:10:00 PM
Indeed, none of these appointments guarantee success but they prove that Moshiri is prepared to rip it up and start again. Heís essentially held his hands up to what proceeded and gone Ďright, letís do this fucking properly this timeí.

That's why I told you to calm down yesterday. ;)

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 16, 2018, 11:11:54 PM
One can always end up with "good process, bad result" but at least we got "good process" right, so far.  All you can do.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gash on May 16, 2018, 11:13:08 PM
Just got a text from a Man Utd fan about Brands, "another proven Premier League man". Why are people so obsessed with Premier League experience? Even the proven people had to start somewhere, it's that kind of mentality that keeps getting people like Allardyce and Pardew jobs.

If everyone relied on Premier League experience sooner or later there'd be no one left. Have a bit of ambition and bravery for fucksake.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Grand Master C on May 16, 2018, 11:16:31 PM
Brands selecting the new manager? Let's hope we don't see this...

(https://www.sportlineng.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/brands_marcel_van_gaal_54_Diashow.jpg)

Kevin Bacon and Van Gaal ??
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gary1878 on May 16, 2018, 11:16:57 PM
This guy has got a serious track record of success. His biggest challenge will be helping to pick the right manager. Hopefully we can get it right this time around!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on May 16, 2018, 11:18:56 PM
Walsh gone!!
.................yes ,confirmed by Denise B-B . Steve Walsh has left the club .Kinell it's like night of the long knives.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 11:19:22 PM
.................yes ,confirmed by Denise B-B . Steve Walsh has left the club .Kinell it's like night of the long knives.

Nice historical reference.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 16, 2018, 11:28:39 PM
Just got a text from a Man Utd fan about Brands, "another proven Premier League man". Why are people so obsessed with Premier League experience? Even the proven people had to start somewhere, it's that kind of mentality that keeps get people like Allardyce and Pardew jobs.

If everyone relied on Premier League experience sooner or later there'd be no one left. Have a bit of ambition and bravery for fucksake.

especially if you want a DoF, for fuck's sake!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 16, 2018, 11:48:35 PM
Shame, Walsh would have made a good head scout.

Edit: obvs Iím delighted about Brands.....
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 16, 2018, 11:50:09 PM
So assuming brands is now in charge of players sales in and out. Should be interesting to see what he has in mind for rooney
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 16, 2018, 11:51:48 PM
Today has been a good day



Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 12:06:35 AM
 




Bollocks beat me to it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 17, 2018, 12:29:39 AM
Was just thinking about the last day and some of the lyrics here especially the chorus sum it up nicely.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 17, 2018, 12:34:37 AM
So assuming brands is now in charge of players sales in and out. Should be interesting to see what he has in mind for rooney

Hopefully heís booked him his flights for America.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 17, 2018, 12:51:58 AM
Shame, Walsh would have made a good head scout.

Edit: obvs Iím delighted about Brands.....

I'm not sure I could stick around a place where I'd been demoted though.

It's right for both parties he leaves.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on May 17, 2018, 12:54:52 AM
Walsh gone completely has made my day.  I didn't want him lingering, even in a basement office playing solitaire.

Unless someone can show me concrete evidence otherwise, I have to assume that's what he was hired to do in the first place.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cassius on May 17, 2018, 01:20:13 AM
I'm delighted about today's changes and I'm trying to work out if I feel a bit sorry for Steve Walsh.

I don't think I do as he was truly dogshit at the DoF role. But was he ever really given a chance to do it properly or was he given the head of scouting role under a different job title? How much influence did he have in some of the signings? How much influence did he have in Sam's appointment?

Whatever it was it didn't work out and I'm glad he's gone and we're bringing in a new man who will be doing a proper DoF role.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 17, 2018, 01:23:31 AM
Walsh had neither the conviction or personality to be a DoF. Already Brands has shown more leadership than Walsh managed in twelve months and two transfer windows.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 17, 2018, 01:35:18 AM
https://www.psv.nl/english-psv/news/article/marcel-brands-joins-everton.htm
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on May 17, 2018, 01:35:21 AM
I take it Walsh's pitch to the board to sign Phil Jones, Wilshere, Yaya Toure and splashing the cash on Jamie Vardy didn't go down too well.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 17, 2018, 01:40:19 AM
I take it Walsh's pitch to the board to sign Phil Jones, Wilshere, Yaya Toure and splashing the cash on Jamie Vardy didn't go down too well.

Like your new avatar mate.

He tried and failed and now we have a proper Director of Football. He will no doubt get a job wherever Allardyce or Shakespeare end up.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: arteta4spain on May 17, 2018, 01:43:19 AM

Bollocks beat me to it.
Same!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on May 17, 2018, 02:05:00 AM
Just got a text from a Man Utd fan about Brands, "another proven Premier League man". Why are people so obsessed with Premier League experience? Even the proven people had to start somewhere, it's that kind of mentality that keeps getting people like Allardyce and Pardew jobs.

If everyone relied on Premier League experience sooner or later there'd be no one left. Have a bit of ambition and bravery for fucksake.
Walsh was "proven Premier League man"...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 17, 2018, 02:08:26 AM
Thereís loads of prem proven managers that are utter shite, much rather try and fail trying something different
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 02:20:04 AM
Walsh had a couple of nice holidays on us so it's not all bad for him
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 17, 2018, 02:21:57 AM
Just been reading an article in the echo that Sam is disgusted by Everton and not being told about the reshuffle 😆 ah gravy chops how i will miss you
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 17, 2018, 03:18:54 AM
Just been reading an article in the echo that Sam is disgusted by Everton and not being told about the reshuffle 😆 ah gravy chops how i will miss you

Donít believe for one minute that heís the only person on this planet that didnít see what was coming. Heís as big a bullshit merchant and Bobby Brownshoes.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: van der Meyde on May 17, 2018, 03:24:27 AM
Walsh was "proven Premier League man"...
And so were Koeman and Allardyce.

And most of the players we've signed who've performed so well this season.

I'm not sure I get that comment at all.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 17, 2018, 03:29:30 AM
Donít believe for one minute that heís the only person on this planet that didnít see what was coming. Heís as big a bullshit merchant and Bobby Brownshoes.

I think he was playing for it all along.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on May 17, 2018, 03:32:05 AM
I think he was playing for it all along.
He knew, and the Board knew, the day he signed an 18 month contract that he would be gone by the end of the season barring European qualification.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on May 17, 2018, 04:17:18 AM
Bloody brilliant news to wake up to!

Walsh was obviously out after Allardyce said in his mind meltdown that no one had told him or "my DOF" about changes at boardroom level.

See ya Walsh, don't let the door smack you in the arse on your way out!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on May 17, 2018, 04:19:15 AM
Walsh had a couple of nice holidays on us so it's not all bad for him

Like that trip to Milan to negotiate sales.....Apprently just for Italian suits and not Italian players.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on May 17, 2018, 04:40:32 AM
The fact that Walsh only got a small footnote says it all about his time here at the club and how he was ultimately regarded.

A pure unadulterated bag of shite.

You can say a lot of things about Moshiri but you can't deny his ruthlessness.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 17, 2018, 04:45:14 AM
Walsh contributed fuck all
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on May 17, 2018, 07:46:37 AM
window open for 1hr 45 mins what's this new guy playing at ffs
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 17, 2018, 08:02:09 AM
window open for 1hr 45 mins what's this new guy playing at ffs
Heís calculating the pay offs to BFS, WFS, BFC and Walsh then heíll have a look at whatís left before signing Glasgow Rangers rejects
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 02:00:08 PM
Brands is actually older than Steve Walsh but to look at you'd think Walsh was his dad. Now I'm not superficial at all but I'd much rather a sexy older bloke as the face of my club than someone who looks like he would be propping up the bar in the local legion.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on May 17, 2018, 02:01:25 PM
ďEverton first contacted my two years ago via Mino Raiola and since that moment I maintained contact with the owner and chairman.

ďEverton are planning to have a different model and they are trying to get Everton to reach a higher level in the coming years. I am not going to Everton to change their culture. We must keep the culture that Everton have. We just want to improve things.

ďI spoke to Ronald Koeman in the times that I have seen him here at Eredivisie matches and we spoke about Everton. His opinion was that it will not be easy but that Everton are a great club with fantastic people.@

http://www.football-oranje.com/marcel-brands-everton-is-a-great-chance-for-me/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 02:27:04 PM
Just read that Brands and whoever the new manager is will be given 100+ million to spend on transfers
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lazarou on May 17, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
Just read that Brands and whoever the new manager is will be given 100+ million to spend on transfers

5 years ago I would be creaming myself over that, but these days whats £100 million two or three decent players?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 17, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
Brands is actually older than Steve Walsh but to look at you'd think Walsh was his dad. Now I'm not superficial at all but I'd much rather a sexy older bloke as the face of my club than someone who looks like he would be propping up the bar in the local legion.

Nothing wrong with propping up the bar in the local Legion. Been doing that since I was 18
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 02:38:03 PM
5 years ago I would be creaming myself over that, but these days whats £100 million two or three decent players?

Will probably be more after player sales, its just a ball park figure really
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 17, 2018, 02:43:16 PM
5 years ago I would be creaming myself over that, but these days whats £100 million two or three decent players?

With a good director of football, a good scouting system and good contacts it could be anything.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
With a good director of football, a good scouting system and good contacts it could be anything.

Mino Raiola
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 17, 2018, 02:51:45 PM
Mino Raiola

So £100m will get us one player and a hefty 'agent fee'
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 17, 2018, 02:51:57 PM
That 100million comment came from an article from paper in Holland. Which also claims usmanov is looking to sell his shares and invest in everton.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 17, 2018, 02:54:21 PM
De Telegraaf quote the man himself as saying all the right things: ďThe amounts used in England and also at Everton are totally different than in the Netherlands. The market forces we know here are also there, but with much larger amounts. The greater the amounts, the greater the responsibility that is associated with this. Sometimes it seems like big money makes you a little lazy, but I donít think Iím lazy.Ē

The Dutch newspaper also go over the Mino Raiola connection, and say Everton now want the agent to help them move forward. Thatís being pushed by Farhad Moshiri and Alisher Usmanov, with it also being stated the latter now wants to get rid of his Arsenal shares and could invest in Everton.

Raiola played a Ďmajor roleí in getting the now former-PSV man to Everton, and Brands confirmed: ďThe first contact has come via Mino, but not for the rest. Mino is a good friend of mine. He has been that since my RKC-time.Ē

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lazarou on May 17, 2018, 02:56:01 PM
With a good director of football, a good scouting system and good contacts it could be anything.

Probably sounded a bit negative then, which I am far from being it's just the figures needed to make a move up the league have gone even further into the stratosphere. Who would have thought Kyle Walker would be worth £50 million, he has had a good season but £50 million!

I even fired FM18 up for the first time since Allardyce was appointed not even looked at it since then, that's how much it ruined professional football for me.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 17, 2018, 03:01:20 PM
Been thinking about Brands a fair bit, and overall I think this might be the most important appointment the club has made since Moshiri arrived.

Obviously the nature of his role and remit mean that it's fundamentally important anyway. But more than that, he is a reputable guy who clearly was very happy at PSV and wasn't particularly pimping himself out for jobs by all accounts. He said as much, in saying that it took a lot to make him consider leaving what he had at PSV.

So yeah, as a reputable dude, who was quite happy carrying on his existing role, we had to sell him and convince him of something significant. And to sell such a big lifestyle change like that to a reputable fella who is happy where he is, you can't be a mickey mouse operation, or come across as a mickey mouse operation in any way. He would sniff out any Tony Fernandes style offer in a heartbeat, because he knows what a proper football setup looks like. Therefore, this does reflect very well on Moshiri, in my view.

I wanted to make this point because I grew very tired of some people comparing Moshiri to Tony Fernandes and the like, when things were a bit grim. I think that's grossly unfair. Obviously he's not been perfect (who is?), and there's been mistakes along the way, but this fella has ploughed money in, has backed his managers with money (unlike plenty of other chairmen/owners) and is willing to change things when they're clearly not working. Big fan of his.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 03:14:44 PM
Been thinking about Brands a fair bit, and overall I think this might be the most important appointment the club has made since Moshiri arrived.

Obviously the nature of his role and remit mean that it's fundamentally important anyway. But more than that, he is a reputable guy who clearly was very happy at PSV and wasn't particularly pimping himself out for jobs by all accounts. He said as much, in saying that it took a lot to make him consider leaving what he had at PSV.

So yeah, as a reputable dude, who was quite happy carrying on his existing role, we had to sell him and convince him of something significant. And to sell such a big lifestyle change like that to a reputable fella who is happy where he is, you can't be a mickey mouse operation, or come across as a mickey mouse operation in any way. He would sniff out any Tony Fernandes style offer in a heartbeat, because he knows what a proper football setup looks like. Therefore, this does reflect very well on Moshiri, in my view.

I wanted to make this point because I grew very tired of some people comparing Moshiri to Tony Fernandes and the like, when things were a bit grim. I think that's grossly unfair. Obviously he's not been perfect (who is?), and there's been mistakes along the way, but this fella has ploughed money in, has backed his managers with money (unlike plenty of other chairmen/owners) and is willing to change things when they're clearly not working. Big fan of his.

Spot on.

Yesterdays actions has also shown that Moshiri has clearly learned from the mistakes that have been made
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 17, 2018, 03:15:34 PM
Moshiri has got just about every footballing decision wrong in his first two years in charge, it now seems like heís learned from his mistakes as he appoints high profile personal around him to make the decisions on his behalf moving forward, must say I like what heís done and long may it continue
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 17, 2018, 03:22:41 PM
Moshiri has got just about every footballing decision wrong in his first two years in charge, it now seems like heís learned from his mistakes as he appoints high profile personal around him to make the decisions on his behalf moving forward, must say I like what heís done and long may it continue

Even that's a bit unfair. Got rid of Martinez sharpish, which was massively popular and correct. Most people were quite happy with Koeman and from the outside it seemed a sound, ambitious appointment. Alright Steve Walsh takes some defending, and I'm not even going to attempt that.

Even Allardyce is justifiable to some extent, even though many of us were massively against it. It clearly was just a six month gig to ensure nothing catastrophic happened while we're trying to invest and put a stadium package together. It looks to me like Moshiri just went 'right, let's write this season off, get mid-table with some neanderthal manager, and put a proper package in place to start the season after'.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on May 17, 2018, 03:25:47 PM
Moshiri has got just about every footballing decision wrong in his first two years in charge, it now seems like he’s learned from his mistakes as he appoints high profile personal around him to make the decisions on his behalf moving forward, must say I like what he’s done and long may it continue
...........................maybe he's just stopped being guided by Kenwright ? I think BK stayed on to ease Moshiri into the world of football but we are now starting to see better business decisions.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 17, 2018, 03:25:54 PM
So, whoís he bringing with him, player-wise from PSV?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 17, 2018, 03:27:02 PM
Even that's a bit unfair. Got rid of Martinez sharpish, which was massively popular and correct. Most people were quite happy with Koeman and from the outside it seemed a sound, ambitious appointment. Alright Steve Walsh takes some defending, and I'm not even going to attempt that.

Even Allardyce is justifiable to some extent, even though many of us were massively against it. It clearly was just a six month gig to ensure nothing catastrophic happened while we're trying to invest and put a stadium package together. It looks to me like Moshiri just went 'right, let's write this season off, get mid-table with some neanderthal manager, and put a proper package in place to start the season after'.
Iíll go with that
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 17, 2018, 03:31:00 PM
Iíll go with that

The thing is, if only we'd known. I wish he could've told us. It would've been a lot more bearable this season, if we knew for definite that the narcissist would be sent on his way, and there would be a new direction with some thought behind it. The sheer terror that we might just be in for another 12 months of it was unthinkable.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 03:35:00 PM
Been thinking about Brands a fair bit, and overall I think this might be the most important appointment the club has made since Moshiri arrived.

Obviously the nature of his role and remit mean that it's fundamentally important anyway. But more than that, he is a reputable guy who clearly was very happy at PSV and wasn't particularly pimping himself out for jobs by all accounts. He said as much, in saying that it took a lot to make him consider leaving what he had at PSV.

So yeah, as a reputable dude, who was quite happy carrying on his existing role, we had to sell him and convince him of something significant. And to sell such a big lifestyle change like that to a reputable fella who is happy where he is, you can't be a mickey mouse operation, or come across as a mickey mouse operation in any way. He would sniff out any Tony Fernandes style offer in a heartbeat, because he knows what a proper football setup looks like. Therefore, this does reflect very well on Moshiri, in my view.

I wanted to make this point because I grew very tired of some people comparing Moshiri to Tony Fernandes and the like, when things were a bit grim. I think that's grossly unfair. Obviously he's not been perfect (who is?), and there's been mistakes along the way, but this fella has ploughed money in, has backed his managers with money (unlike plenty of other chairmen/owners) and is willing to change things when they're clearly not working. Big fan of his.



All good points but you can only judge as you find and he has been found wanting up to now in a number of areas. This time last week he was responsible for two disastrous managerial appointments, a sham of a Director of Football decision seemingly made on a whim and some dubious at best, totally embarrassing at worst, media gaffes.

That's not to say he hasn't learnt from his mistakes, which it looks as if he has in delegating responsibility for football matters now to someone who understands the game better than him. There's a lot of good things about him and he looks committed to the long term plan which he's obviously sold to Brands, which is commendable. If we now get a proper structure in place to enable better performances in every aspect of the football side then it's great news.

He's had teething problems and it looks like he's now rectifying them but we shouldn't forget the speed in which things have unravelled under his watch either. Hopefully this is a fresh start though and a new club in effect from here on in.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: van der Meyde on May 17, 2018, 03:42:22 PM
So yeah, as a reputable dude, who was quite happy carrying on his existing role, we had to sell him and convince him of something significant. And to sell such a big lifestyle change like that to a reputable fella who is happy where he is, you can't be a mickey mouse operation, or come across as a mickey mouse operation in any way. He would sniff out any Tony Fernandes style offer in a heartbeat, because he knows what a proper football setup looks like. Therefore, this does reflect very well on Moshiri, in my view.
I'm not sure a lifestyle change that involves "more than doubling" his salary* requires much selling personally. :)

I definitely prefer your interpretation of it though!

* https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/2046854/100-miljoen-voor-brands
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 17, 2018, 03:44:34 PM
We don't have a "transfer budget". Mainly because you don't pay for players in their entirety up front.

Every year the papers publish this bullshit.

We don't have a "warchest". If we want a player, the funds will be made available.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 17, 2018, 03:52:40 PM
We don't have a "transfer budget". Mainly because you don't pay for players in their entirety up front.

Every year the papers publish this bullshit.

We don't have a "warchest". If we want a player, the funds will be made available.



True

Our biggest problem is being able to attract the players we can now afford.

Stinks of Man city pre-glory days.

Iíd be happy to follow that path though.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on May 17, 2018, 03:57:59 PM
So, whoís he bringing with him, player-wise from PSV?
Lozano, please.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 04:19:03 PM
True

Our biggest problem is being able to attract the players we can now afford.

Stinks of Man city pre-glory days.

I’d be happy to follow that path though.


Or go the other way and create a club that is attractive to players who are hungry enough to see us a potential stepping stone to the bigger clubs. Lukaku worked out well for us, he progressed and delivered while he was here we just wasted the money instead of identifying the next one. Same with Stones.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Django on May 17, 2018, 04:30:23 PM
Hearing two different accounts here.

Brands has got Rooney to stay next season.

Alternatively, he's off to DC United, was all sorted yesterday 3 1/2 year deal and gonna do his badges.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 04:32:28 PM
Hearing two different accounts here.

Brands has got Rooney to stay next season.

Alternatively, he's off to DC United, was all sorted yesterday 3 1/2 year deal and gonna do his badges.



I reckon one of them is correct.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 17, 2018, 04:36:36 PM
I reckon one of them is correct.

There's always a third way with Everton mate.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 17, 2018, 04:52:09 PM
Reliable Twitter accounts say he's gone.

Jim white says he's heard from the club he's staying.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 04:53:45 PM
Deal done a few ago according to some, deffo gone.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 17, 2018, 04:55:02 PM
There wonít be much game time for him next season regardless who we appoint
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: arteta4spain on May 17, 2018, 05:01:25 PM
Reliable Twitter accounts say he's gone.

Jim white says he's heard from the club he's staying.
Jesus heís only been in the job a day! 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 17, 2018, 05:44:12 PM
Probably sounded a bit negative then, which I am far from being it's just the figures needed to make a move up the league have gone even further into the stratosphere. Who would have thought Kyle Walker would be worth £50 million, he has had a good season but £50 million!

I even fired FM18 up for the first time since Allardyce was appointed not even looked at it since then, that's how much it ruined professional football for me.

Been thinking about getting it!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 05:50:13 PM
Probably sounded a bit negative then, which I am far from being it's just the figures needed to make a move up the league have gone even further into the stratosphere. Who would have thought Kyle Walker would be worth £50 million, he has had a good season but £50 million!

I even fired FM18 up for the first time since Allardyce was appointed not even looked at it since then, that's how much it ruined professional football for me.

So we create the right environment to identify and nurture the next Kyle Walker then and play in a style that makes it easier for them to progress. Danny Rose will probably go for £50m this summer too. Stones went for £50m. Lukaku £100m all in. There's a sustainable business model there which enhances performance on the pitch too with young ambitious players.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 17, 2018, 06:05:10 PM
Maybe he's going to do what Australian cricketers do. He'll play for us in the winter when our season is on and in the MLS in the summer when that season is on. And I guess when the season's overlap, he'll go back and forth as needed. Kind of like a flying sub.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 17, 2018, 06:58:57 PM
Maybe he's going to do what Australian cricketers do. He'll play for us in the winter when our season is on and in the MLS in the summer when that season is on. And I guess when the season's overlap, he'll go back and forth as needed. Kind of like a flying sub.

 lolol

If only he had the legs for it!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on May 17, 2018, 08:54:25 PM
lolol

If only he had the legs for it!

You don't fly with your legs - you flap your arms!


Some people are so dumb!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on May 17, 2018, 11:43:51 PM
Maybe he's going to do what Australian cricketers do. He'll play for us in the winter when our season is on and in the MLS in the summer when that season is on. And I guess when the season's overlap, he'll go back and forth as needed. Kind of like a flying sub.

You mean do a Landon Donovan.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 18, 2018, 02:48:37 AM
https://twitter.com/thomasschaling/status/997066852483387394?s=21

PSV scout with good reviews about Brands
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on May 19, 2018, 05:18:27 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marcel-brands-outlines-everton-vision-14668895

ďEverton are planning to have a different model and they are trying to get Everton to reach a higher level in the coming years.

"I am not going to Everton to change their culture. We must keep the culture that Everton have. We just want to improve things."

I wonder what he means by "culture".

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on May 19, 2018, 01:27:10 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marcel-brands-outlines-everton-vision-14668895

ďEverton are planning to have a different model and they are trying to get Everton to reach a higher level in the coming years.

"I am not going to Everton to change their culture. We must keep the culture that Everton have. We just want to improve things."

I wonder what he means by "culture".



We're bringing the Super Lamb Bananas back.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 19, 2018, 02:52:59 PM
Not going overboard about our new DOF, after the appointments of Walsh and Koeman previously I'll keep my powder dry this time. Wish him all the luck in the world of course.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 19, 2018, 03:19:13 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marcel-brands-outlines-everton-vision-14668895

ďEverton are planning to have a different model and they are trying to get Everton to reach a higher level in the coming years.

"I am not going to Everton to change their culture. We must keep the culture that Everton have. We just want to improve things."

I wonder what he means by "culture".



NSNO
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 19, 2018, 05:48:35 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marcel-brands-outlines-everton-vision-14668895

ďEverton are planning to have a different model and they are trying to get Everton to reach a higher level in the coming years.

"I am not going to Everton to change their culture. We must keep the culture that Everton have. We just want to improve things."

I wonder what he means by "culture".



There's a couple of yogurts in the fridge.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 19, 2018, 06:16:31 PM
Brands/Silva/Railo

not a bad trinity that.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on May 19, 2018, 09:20:20 PM
There's a couple of yogurts in the fridge.

Quite a few unfiltered yoghurts on here too :badum:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trublue on May 19, 2018, 10:40:50 PM
I can only think, by culture he means a big club but withheld family home town club feeling. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 23, 2018, 11:30:17 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/999320203178790912
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 23, 2018, 11:32:07 PM
Haha. Love the Alpha Male strut down the corridor.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 23, 2018, 11:32:54 PM
He's a big unit
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 23, 2018, 11:33:35 PM
He's a big unit

He walks like he's packing a big unit.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 23, 2018, 11:33:45 PM
A big, beautiful, blonde bastard in beige 💥
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: hannu on May 23, 2018, 11:34:14 PM
bit mad he is doing that from psv's stadium, psv obviously not bitter about it
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 23, 2018, 11:39:40 PM
Bet he would look stunning down the docks with a bottle of peroni.

Can't remember Steve Walsh coming out with anything remotely similar to what Brands said there.

Good stuff to read that
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 23, 2018, 11:43:39 PM
Telegraph also reporting he's going to have talks with Lookman to persuade him to stay here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 23, 2018, 11:50:11 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2018/05/23/watch-brands-on-his-everton-blueprint-and-new-manager
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 23, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Haha. Love the Alpha Male strut down the corridor.

Looks like vince McMahon
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 24, 2018, 12:09:07 AM
Looks like vince McMahon

Wayne Lineker.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on May 24, 2018, 12:24:35 AM
http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2018/05/23/watch-brands-on-his-everton-blueprint-and-new-manager

His Dutch accent is almost as good as Steve McClaren.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 24, 2018, 12:24:55 AM
Bet he would look stunning down the docks with a bottle of peroni.

Can't remember Steve Walsh coming out with anything remotely similar to what Brands said there.

Good stuff to read that


Steve Walsh modelled his buying and selling technique on this.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on May 24, 2018, 12:33:03 AM
Loving the talk about the youngsters and the academy .....music to the ears, when we've had dinosaurs shipping our best next prospects out

He's got his work cut out but for once I'm confident Everton have got the right man ....this time.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 24, 2018, 12:38:58 AM
I also liked this quote from him.

"I will take care of the long-term strategy but the first job now is to find a manager as soon as possible and straight away go to work with the squad.Ē

Unlike Walsh he has experience of this role and has a clear idea and vision of what is needed here. It will probably take a bit of time to get fully implemented but Brands, knows what is needed and more importantly how to do it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on May 24, 2018, 12:50:58 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/999320203178790912

Thats a proper Vince McMahon walk down the corridor there!

@brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666)  beat me to it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on May 24, 2018, 12:53:58 AM
Bet he would look stunning down the docks with a bottle of peroni.

Can't remember Steve Walsh coming out with anything remotely similar to what Brands said there.

Good stuff to read that

Can you remember Walsh saying anything let alone anything interesting. ☆
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Silas on May 24, 2018, 01:25:44 AM
Increasingly clear Walsh was out of his depth in the role
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 24, 2018, 01:37:22 AM
I know its easy to bash someone when they clearly failed, like Walsh did in not getting a Lukaku replacement, but when you break it down he also did some good stuff and did a lot of the things Brands has discussed. He invested massively in youth getting Lookman, Vlasic, Sandro, Bowler, Donkor, Onyekuru these were some of the most sought after kids around and we got them. Yes the Lukaku thing effectively cost us our season and for that alone he should've gone immediately, but when you look at that list he also contributed a lot and it wasnt his fault that managers didnt chose to play them.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on May 24, 2018, 01:49:54 AM
I know its easy to bash someone when they clearly failed, like Walsh did in not getting a Lukaku replacement, but when you break it down he also did some good stuff and did a lot of the things Brands has discussed. He invested massively in youth getting Lookman, Vlasic, Sandro, Bowler, Donkor, Onyekuru these were some of the most sought after kids around and we got them. Yes the Lukaku thing effectively cost us our season and for that alone he should've gone immediately, but when you look at that list he also contributed a lot and it wasnt his fault that managers didnt chose to play them.

Yes.

But it’s his presence, or lack of that’s apparent.

He clearly didn’t have the clout or willingness to impose on the managers what the club’s wishes were etc.

A DoF is also a key person for expressing what the club wants to do from a footballing angle and you rarely heard anything from him.

I know they’re only words but Brands is immediately setting his stall out re managers and that we need to compete. It’s laying down the marker everyone else in the hierarchy.

Doesn’t seem like he (Walsh) progressed from being a scout.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Silas on May 24, 2018, 01:52:21 AM
Chief scout would have been a decent job for him
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gash on May 24, 2018, 01:53:42 AM
Speaks well doesn't he, comes across with an air of authority about him, you can tell he gets things done. Nice to hear him mention long term plans as well, that's something Silva needs to get on board with if he comes, he can't just keep doing short term jobs, which probably works in our favour, sooner rather than later Silva's going to have to prove that he can build a team and put together 2-3 decent seasons.

The only slight concern is that jacket looks like it might just be a bawhair too small but we can live with that. :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 24, 2018, 01:55:12 AM
I feel a bit sorry for Walsh. Think every other cunt at the club wanted to do a bit of his job and the thing he was most guilty of was being a bit weak. The board have to take a lot of the blame too for allowing it to happen
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 24, 2018, 01:55:13 AM
He's just smashing isn't he
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 24, 2018, 02:02:11 AM
Speaks well doesn't he, comes across with an air of authority about him, you can tell he gets things done. Nice to hear him mention long term plans as well, that's something Silva needs to get on board with if he comes, he can't just keep doing short term jobs, which probably works in our favour, sooner rather than later Silva's going to have to prove that he can build a team and put together 2-3 decent seasons.

The only slight concern is that jacket looks like it might just be a bawhair too small but we can live with that. :)

Silva hasn't been touched by the 'Ball' yet. When he does nothing will be the same. If he's good enough I think he'll stay around, especially if he gets the backing and crowd support.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 24, 2018, 02:03:25 AM
Think I love marcel already, think heís going to do a great job
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on May 24, 2018, 02:03:29 AM

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 24, 2018, 02:04:20 AM
I feel a bit sorry for Walsh. Think every other cunt at the club wanted to do a bit of his job and the thing he was most guilty of was being a bit weak. The board have to take a lot of the blame too for allowing it to happen

No left back replacement all season? No striker replacement? Bidding big money for Moussa Sissokho?

He got a big pay day, and a right cushy number here and performed lamentably. Sod him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 24, 2018, 02:07:24 AM
I canít think of any reason to feel sorry for Walsh heís useless
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 24, 2018, 02:18:59 AM
No left back replacement all season? No striker replacement? Bidding big money for Moussa Sissokho?

He got a big pay day, and a right cushy number here and performed lamentably. Sod him.

I might be completely wrong but I hold koeman responsible. I think he ended up with a small shortlist of strikers none of which proved possible. Obviously I donít feel sorry for him in real terms. Like you say he wonít starve cos we sacked him. Just donít think we gave him the best opportunity to succeed
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 24, 2018, 02:26:01 AM
I might be completely wrong but I hold koeman responsible. I think he ended up with a small shortlist of strikers none of which proved possible. Obviously I don't feel sorry for him in real terms. Like you say he won't starve cos we sacked him. Just don't think we gave him the best opportunity to succeed
He had to be stronger, he was too weak
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 24, 2018, 02:59:26 AM
http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2018/05/23/watch-brands-on-his-everton-blueprint-and-new-manager

Oh my god I think I might be in love
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 24, 2018, 04:51:00 AM
Fills that jacket and those trousers doesnít he. All the women in the office are defo putting an extra layer of slap on before they come in work starting from next week.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lazarou on May 24, 2018, 02:45:47 PM
Talks the talk, walks the walk. Can't see many players or the manager fucking with big Marcel.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/vRf4Z1OZ21j9e/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 24, 2018, 04:39:38 PM
He does also look like he might be a jet flyiní kiss stealiní wheeliní dealiní sonovagun
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 24, 2018, 05:44:04 PM
Thereís gonna be a three in a bed scandal involving BBBB (Big Blonde Beige Brands, Iím going with it) and a couple of WAGS
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bally on May 27, 2018, 12:44:52 AM
Silva hasn't been touched by the 'Ball' yet. When he does nothing will be the same. If he's good enough I think he'll stay around, especially if he gets the backing and crowd support.
I'm not touching anyone!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 27, 2018, 03:19:14 AM
I'm not touching anyone!

Go on, just a tickle. You know you want to.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 27, 2018, 03:54:46 AM
Well, my weekend just started to look up. Can relax now...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 27, 2018, 03:18:56 PM
I'm not touching anyone!

Yeah, yeah.

Best hugger of all-time according to a lucky few on here.

#jealous 😔
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bally on May 27, 2018, 05:51:44 PM
Yeah, yeah.

Best hugger of all-time according to a lucky few on here.

#jealous
Oh yeah hugging is sound, fucking boss at that, touching, hmm. I suppose in certain circumstances....
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: loroloco on May 29, 2018, 07:09:51 AM
talking to some dutch mates last night and they were telling me about Brands. Big footy fans but they reckon there's nothing really much to talk about with this guy. He's very quiet and apparently quite a nice guy. with regards to his job they reckon he knew the dutch league quite well and worked well with his club. they're  absolutely adamant though that it's a huge risk for everton to sign him because they have no faith that his skills are in any way transferable to premier league standard. essentially, they reckon, that he was decent in Holland but that that doesn't really mean much. when i told them how excited everton fans were to get him they laughed it off. they simply don't get it. none of this means to say they're right of course but listening to guys who follow the dutch league and they don't rate him as anything more than being competent at what he did in Holland. totally different spin on what I've been reading on here. i suppose we'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 29, 2018, 07:22:10 AM
Thereís always someone ready to put the boot in at every opportunity. Every single appointment at every single premier league club is a risk.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on May 29, 2018, 08:12:10 AM
cool story
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 29, 2018, 01:52:19 PM
talking to some dutch mates last night and they were telling me about Brands. Big footy fans but they reckon there's nothing really much to talk about with this guy. He's very quiet and apparently quite a nice guy. with regards to his job they reckon he knew the dutch league quite well and worked well with his club. they're  absolutely adamant though that it's a huge risk for everton to sign him because they have no faith that his skills are in any way transferable to premier league standard. essentially, they reckon, that he was decent in Holland but that that doesn't really mean much. when i told them how excited everton fans were to get him they laughed it off. they simply don't get it. none of this means to say they're right of course but listening to guys who follow the dutch league and they don't rate him as anything more than being competent at what he did in Holland. totally different spin on what I've been reading on here. i suppose we'll find out soon enough.

At this point im firmly sat with your Dutch mates in terms of scepticism but am hopeful he'll prove me wrong
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on May 29, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
We are not asking this guy to give us the world, all we merely want him to do is to just simply do his job properly as a director of football.

Walsh failed miserably as he was basically a glorified scout who was way out of his depth and did not know what he was doing.

We have just appointed a guy with over 8 years experience doing the role. I now fully expect us to be run like a business and not a circus like last season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 03:07:40 PM
We are not asking this guy to give us the world, all we merely want him to do is to just simply do his job properly as a director of football.

Walsh failed miserably as he was basically a glorified scout who was way out of his depth and did not know what he was doing.

We have just appointed a guy with over 8 years experience doing the role. I now fully expect us to be run like a business and not a circus like last season.

I think this is the crux of it. We just need him to do the job that it was designed to do. He's not picking or coaching the players, he just needs to put in place a strategy and a system that delivers what the manager and the club needs long term.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 03:46:46 PM
talking to some dutch mates last night and they were telling me about Brands. Big footy fans but they reckon there's nothing really much to talk about with this guy. He's very quiet and apparently quite a nice guy. with regards to his job they reckon he knew the dutch league quite well and worked well with his club. they're  absolutely adamant though that it's a huge risk for everton to sign him because they have no faith that his skills are in any way transferable to premier league standard. essentially, they reckon, that he was decent in Holland but that that doesn't really mean much. when i told them how excited everton fans were to get him they laughed it off. they simply don't get it. none of this means to say they're right of course but listening to guys who follow the dutch league and they don't rate him as anything more than being competent at what he did in Holland. totally different spin on what I've been reading on here. i suppose we'll find out soon enough.

Your friends don't really make sense. Why wouldn't the skills be transferable, from one league to another, if he's doing the same job he's been doing for 8 years at a different club? Of course they're transferable.

Sounds to me like they're being knobs just for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 29, 2018, 04:11:08 PM
Yeah, i'd be fucking made up with a 'competent' DoF.
Imagine having a balanced squad?

If this guy was the main scout & had the only say on buying players then i'd be worried.
But he has the funds to buy whatever scouting network he wants & won't be soft enough to think a player that could storm the Eredivisie would be able to do the same here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: van der Meyde on May 29, 2018, 05:05:16 PM
Your friends don't really make sense. Why wouldn't the skills be transferable, from one league to another, if he's doing the same job he's been doing for 8 years at a different club? Of course they're transferable.

Sounds to me like they're being knobs just for the sake of it.
The skills of building a squad, overseeing the youth academy etc definitely will be.

I think it's fair to say that talent identification might not be an immediate success though. He had the advantage at PSV of being one of the biggest clubs in the country, which helped him sign the likes of Strootman, Wijnaldum, Mertens etc from smaller clubs who'd already established themselves elsewhere. Though he obviously did well at Alkmaar too, it's not an advantage he has here.

I've got every faith that given his track record he'll prove to be a success long term, but I do worry that - especially given the markets he's historically shopped in and their hit and miss record in the PL - it might take him a bit of time to get a handle on which players will hit the ground running here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 05:10:30 PM
The skills of building a squad, overseeing the youth academy etc definitely will be.

I think it's fair to say that talent identification might not be an immediate success though. He had the advantage at PSV of being one of the biggest clubs in the country, which helped him sign the likes of Strootman, Wijnaldum, Mertens etc from smaller clubs who'd already established themselves elsewhere. Though he obviously did well at Alkmaar too, it's not an advantage he has here.

I've got every faith that given his track record he'll prove to be a success long term, but I do worry that - especially given the markets he's historically shopped in and their hit and miss record in the PL - it might take him a bit of time to get a handle on which players will hit the ground running here.

Yeah, not expecting him to completely change the club overnight. Everything he's said has contained the word 'long term' numerous times so it might be some time before structural and more fundamental changes are even noticeable.

I take your points, but conversely he will have a higher budget than he had previously so he might also have access to players he would've wanted to sign for PSV but couldn't afford, or perhaps couldn't get them to come to Holland.

I just think saying 'his skills aren't transferable' is a bit of a nonsense comment.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 05:58:13 PM
Yeah, not expecting him to completely change the club overnight. Everything he's said has contained the word 'long term' numerous times so it might be some time before structural and more fundamental changes are even noticeable.

I take your points, but conversely he will have a higher budget than he had previously so he might also have access to players he would've wanted to sign for PSV but couldn't afford, or perhaps couldn't get them to come to Holland.

I just think saying 'his skills aren't transferable' is a bit of a nonsense comment.

Yes you would think his methodology, systems, approach and structure would all be transferrable. It's just the details that change.

Walsh was being asked to carry out a role without any existing brief, with no prior knowledge or experience of how to approach it and no-one with any clue looking over his shoulder to tell him if he was even in the right ball park or not.

I'm less concerned about the future now we have someone with experience of forward planning at the helm.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 29, 2018, 06:18:11 PM
8 years experience. We've been in contact over the past 2 years. Appears to know what he's doing. Hell, we're already up on the past couple of years.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: loroloco on May 29, 2018, 06:19:14 PM
Yeah, not expecting him to completely change the club overnight. Everything he's said has contained the word 'long term' numerous times so it might be some time before structural and more fundamental changes are even noticeable.

I take your points, but conversely he will have a higher budget than he had previously so he might also have access to players he would've wanted to sign for PSV but couldn't afford, or perhaps couldn't get them to come to Holland.

I just think saying 'his skills aren't transferable' is a bit of a nonsense comment.

they never said his skills weren't transferable. just that there is a doubt that they might not be. seeing so many negative comments about  group of people's opinion is worrying for me. i never said my friends were correct. i was merely pointing out that they follow the division and that they are big fans and know more about brands than i do. it seems that a lot of people are saying that the skills are transferable but we've seen at every single position in a football club, quite often, people just weren't up to the standard, be it players, couches, managers, owners or whatever... even dof. we signed walsh on the back of this huge hype after what he did at leicester and he was pushed out the door because he didn't live up to expectation. there's a lot of hysteria around brands and that often means that when things don't change over night, people get frustrated and start getting on said person's back. there's no one wants him to do well more than me but my mates view of him has just got me thinking that maybe we should just wait and see the proof here at everton before we go building him up to be something that he may not be. i'm not looking for an argument here, and none of this is aimed at you specifically. you know yourself how hype can very quickly turn sour. patience will be key to this man's success. something that evertonians have run out of in recent time. anyway, queue the "me and my mates are a bunch of cunts" chants. how dare i try and put things in context.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: loroloco on May 29, 2018, 06:30:09 PM
sorry. that last bit was quite passive aggressive. not very becoming of a gentleman's discussion.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 06:34:50 PM
they never said his skills weren't transferable. just that there is a doubt that they might not be. seeing so many negative comments about  group of people's opinion is worrying for me. i never said my friends were correct. i was merely pointing out that they follow the division and that they are big fans and know more about brands than i do. it seems that a lot of people are saying that the skills are transferable but we've seen at every single position in a football club, quite often, people just weren't up to the standard, be it players, couches, managers, owners or whatever... even dof. we signed walsh on the back of this huge hype after what he did at leicester and he was pushed out the door because he didn't live up to expectation. there's a lot of hysteria around brands and that often means that when things don't change over night, people get frustrated and start getting on said person's back. there's no one wants him to do well more than me but my mates view of him has just got me thinking that maybe we should just wait and see the proof here at everton before we go building him up to be something that he may not be. i'm not looking for an argument here, and none of this is aimed at you specifically. you know yourself how hype can very quickly turn sour. patience will be key to this man's success. something that evertonians have run out of in recent time. anyway, queue the "me and my mates are a bunch of cunts" chants. how dare i try and put things in context.

No fair enough mate. I didn't mean to have a pop. I just think the skills are definitely transferable, whether it works out of not. And yeah, there's no guarantees. The proof will be in the pudding, and like almost everything else, the quality and effectiveness of the decision making.

And it seems to make much more sense to appoint someone in a job who has been doing that job elsewhere (albeit the nuances of the club and the league are different), rather than appointing an ex-PE teacher who probably couldn't even oversee a decent PE lesson anymore. That's probably a bit harsh on Walsh, but I have very little time or sympathy for the fella given the apparent negligence with which he's carried out his job.

I'm dubious really how much your mates could comment on Brands' performance for PSV, if I'm honest. I mean we're all massively into the Premier League (as your mates are really into the Eredivisie) but how much do we know, or are we able to comment on, the performances of the various DoFs/sporting directors in England realistically? Probably not that much.

Like I say, I don't mean to have a pop and it's interesting to get a different perspective from some Dutch football fans. I'm just a bit dubious as to the content of the perspective, not because it could be potentially negative towards Everton, but because it doesn't really add up to me.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 29, 2018, 06:42:21 PM
The proof will be in the pudding. No one is perfect and we will see how things develop. As has already been said, every appointment is a gamble in all walks of life.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on May 29, 2018, 07:28:24 PM
they never said his skills weren't transferable. just that there is a doubt that they might not be. seeing so many negative comments about  group of people's opinion is worrying for me. i never said my friends were correct. i was merely pointing out that they follow the division and that they are big fans and know more about brands than i do. it seems that a lot of people are saying that the skills are transferable but we've seen at every single position in a football club, quite often, people just weren't up to the standard, be it players, couches, managers, owners or whatever... even dof. we signed walsh on the back of this huge hype after what he did at leicester and he was pushed out the door because he didn't live up to expectation. there's a lot of hysteria around brands and that often means that when things don't change over night, people get frustrated and start getting on said person's back. there's no one wants him to do well more than me but my mates view of him has just got me thinking that maybe we should just wait and see the proof here at everton before we go building him up to be something that he may not be. i'm not looking for an argument here, and none of this is aimed at you specifically. you know yourself how hype can very quickly turn sour. patience will be key to this man's success. something that evertonians have run out of in recent time. anyway, queue the "me and my mates are a bunch of cunts" chants. how dare i try and put things in context.

Itís nice to see a bit of level-headedness here for a change.
Itís all good we have finally signed a DoF who is actually a DoF and hopefully heíll be decent, but watching all the hysteria around him you could think weíve just witnessed  the second coming of Christ.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 29, 2018, 07:34:17 PM
Don't see any 'hysteria' myself like.

Just positivity that the club is moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 29, 2018, 07:40:19 PM
The proof will be in the pudding. No one is perfect and we will see how things develop. As has already been said, every appointment is a gamble in all walks of life.

I beg to differ
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on May 29, 2018, 07:41:26 PM
Haha. Love the Alpha Male strut down the corridor.


Is anyone still in any doubt over who's house this is now?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 29, 2018, 07:53:16 PM
Itís nice to see a bit of level-headedness here for a change.
Itís all good we have finally signed a DoF who is actually a DoF and hopefully heíll be decent, but watching all the hysteria around him you could think weíve just witnessed  the second coming of Christ.


Hysteria? where?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on May 29, 2018, 07:59:10 PM
Hysteria? where?

Here. In this thread.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 29, 2018, 08:07:28 PM
Here. In this thread.

I think youre over reacting a bit, cant people be excited at the prospect of turning this shit heap of a season around and starting fresh with someone who seems to be capable of doing his job?
Title: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: arteta4spain on May 29, 2018, 08:15:01 PM
I think youre over reacting a bit, cant people be excited at the prospect of turning this shit heap of a season around and starting fresh with someone who seems to be capable of doing his job?
Think that's the proverbial nail on the head. Last season was seen as our "breakthroughĒ season into the higher echelons of the premier league. The fact it was derailed more or less from the start made such a sudden impact of how we were going to be perceived. Sick of being the underdog and "plucky little EvertonĒ.
Unfortunately it just didn't turn out that way.
Koeman gone and now Walsh too it feels like we're starting to show that ruthlessness that those top sides have when they get it wrong and want to improve.
Hopefully this will happen. But as it's been said it's gonna take a little time. Give Brands the time to implement his ideas and not want him gone when we've lost a few games. As long as there's some kind of plan and structure in place I think we'll start bearing some fruit in the next 9-12 months.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on May 29, 2018, 08:24:38 PM
Don't see any 'hysteria' myself like.

Just positivity that the club is moving in the right direction.

Each to his own mate. I find all that alpha male, Big Marcel and "have you heard his interview" things a bit cringey.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 09:10:41 PM
Each to his own mate. I find all that alpha male, Big Marcel and "have you heard his interview" things a bit cringey.

Yeah sorry for being excited that things might be changing for the positive at the club. Dunno what we we're thinking.

Much better to be fashionably cynical and distanced like your good self, pouring scoring on anything and everything that might possibly make people a bit happier.

Also, I think you've just made fun of people for wanting to listen to an interview and hearing what the fella has to say. Weird. That ironic detachment must be so enjoyable for you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Redartin on May 29, 2018, 09:23:05 PM
Each to his own mate. I find all that alpha male, Big Marcel and "have you heard his interview" things a bit cringey.
Cue the arrogant, condescending put downs.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 09:26:42 PM
Cue the arrogant, condescending put downs.

Eyup mucker. How you been keeping?

I think if you look closely, plumber made the first comment which was an attack on others. I am responding in kind, which I don't think plumber can argue with (don't give it out, if you can't take it and all that).

You should think about what you say a bit more, before you say it. It doesn't seem like much thought goes into any of it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 29, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
Yeah sorry for being excited that things might be changing for the positive at the club. Dunno what we we're thinking.

Much better to be fashionably cynical and distanced like your good self, pouring scoring on anything and everything that might possibly make people a bit happier.

Also, I think you've just made fun of people for wanting to listen to an interview and hearing what the fella has to say. Weird. That ironic detachment must be so enjoyable for you.

I have not seen anything beyond cautious optimism and the collective sigh of relief that the dire shite we had in the front office and on the touchline is gone.  Everyone seems well ready for the long-haul rebuild, and patient to lay the foundation for the future.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Redartin on May 29, 2018, 09:41:33 PM
Your friends don't really make sense.
Sounds to me like they're being knobs just for the sake of it.
I just think saying 'his skills aren't transferable' is a bit of a nonsense comment.
Yeah sorry for being excited that things might be changing for the positive at the club. Dunno what we we're thinking.

Much better to be fashionably cynical and distanced like your good self, pouring scoring on anything and everything that might possibly make people a bit happier.

Also, I think you've just made fun of people for wanting to listen to an interview and hearing what the fella has to say. Weird. That ironic detachment must be so enjoyable for you.
You should think about what you say a bit more, before you say it. It doesn't seem like much thought goes into any of it.
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Maybe you should think a bit.

Did the Queen die overnight and someone make you King?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 09:48:28 PM
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Maybe you should think a bit.

Did the Queen die overnight and someone make you King?

I'll indulge you.

You complain about being condescended to A LOT. That's usually indicative of somebody with a massive inferiority complex. Being condescended to is about a power dynamic between two people and the state of mind of the two people speaking. You only get genuinely condescended to, if you allow it to happen, no matter what the other person is saying. So you need to stop allowing yourself to be condescended to or entering conversations with that pre-conceived inferiority complex, and you won't feel that way anymore.

Oh course I can be an arrogant arsehole. I've said as much myself numerous times on here. I mean...you're stating nothing new or insightful there, dude.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 09:50:35 PM
Each to his own mate. I find all that alpha male, Big Marcel and "have you heard his interview" things a bit cringey.

It's called humour with a side dish of Partridge thrown in for good measure. You seem like the type of guy who prefers his laughs in an American accent, in which case I can't help you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 29, 2018, 09:52:36 PM
We can all be arrogant assholes sometimes (dunno about arrogant, I hate myself too much for that, but I surely am an asshole).  But BD is one of the nicest folks on here, and has been a very positive force during some awfully dark times.  I for one have appreciated it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 29, 2018, 09:53:32 PM
It's called humour with a side dish of Partridge thrown in for good measure. You seem like the type of guy who prefers his laughs in an American accent, in which case I can't help you.

fookin' ouch! :D
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on May 29, 2018, 09:54:31 PM
I live and work in Amsterdam and currently work with an AZ fan and an Ajax supporter (who is ridiculously knowledgeable about world football), both sing his praises. Naturally, we will have to see but the talk from my Dutch colleagues differs considerably from what has been posted earlier.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 09:55:19 PM
fookin' ouch! :D

Didn't take you long to bite.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 09:57:44 PM
We can all be arrogant assholes sometimes (dunno about arrogant, I hate myself too much for that, but I surely am an asshole).  But BD is one of the nicest folks on here, and has been a very positive force during some awfully dark times.  I for one have appreciated it.

Cheers for the kind words, mate. Appreciate it really, but honestly there's no need. He's entitled to have a pop at me, and given that I am opinionated, I have to expect some comeback and disagreement sometimes without moaning about it.

I'm more than happy to argue the toss with that negative, 'poor scorn on everything' attitude all day long, because it's a very easy argument to debunk with basic logic.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 29, 2018, 10:19:07 PM
We can all be arrogant assholes sometimes (dunno about arrogant, I hate myself too much for that, but I surely am an asshole).  But BD is one of the nicest folks on here, and has been a very positive force during some awfully dark times.  I for one have appreciated it.

I'm not an arsehole, twat yes, but an arsehole I am not  ;D
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Redartin on May 29, 2018, 10:22:00 PM
I'll indulge you.
Thank you Your Highness, I feel so privileged that such a superior being took time to reply.

I hope your "man crush" for Brands continues to prosper, and that your move to Sheffield is successful and that the people of that good city warm to your ways.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Normm on May 29, 2018, 10:24:32 PM
The proof will be in the pudding.

Please! No more pudding!

I've had my fill.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 29, 2018, 10:26:05 PM
Please! No more pudding!

I've had my fill.

As long as you've eaten your meat.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 10:26:49 PM
Thank you Your Highness, I feel so privileged that such a superior being took time to reply.

I hope your "man crush" for Brands continues to prosper, and that your move to Sheffield is successful and that the people of that good city warm to your ways.

Thanks mate. That's much better. There was a bit more belief and self-esteem in that response.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 29, 2018, 10:27:11 PM
I'll indulge you.

You complain about being condescended to A LOT. That's usually indicative of somebody with a massive inferiority complex. Being condescended to is about a power dynamic between two people and the state of mind of the two people speaking. You only get genuinely condescended to, if you allow it to happen, no matter what the other person is saying. So you need to stop allowing yourself to be condescended to or entering conversations with that pre-conceived inferiority complex, and you won't feel that way anymore.

Oh course I can be an arrogant arsehole. I've said as much myself numerous times on here. I mean...you're stating nothing new or insightful there, dude.

Bit like saying you're only bullied in the school playground if you allow yourself to be.

You've basically agreed with what he said but made out like it's his shortcoming - like being a self-proclaimed arrogant arsehole is a badge of honour.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 29, 2018, 10:30:43 PM
Team BD here.

Some people have just seen their arse and needlessly flew off the handle here.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 29, 2018, 10:30:53 PM
I'm not an arsehole, twat yes, but an arsehole I am not  ;D

If you're a fanny, you could get away with being both. Split personality
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 10:32:37 PM
Bit like saying you're only bullied in the school playground if you allow yourself to be.

You've basically agreed with what he said but made out like it's his shortcoming - like being a self-proclaimed arrogant arsehole is a badge of honour.

I think physical violence is a bit different, because some people are just physically stronger and there's no way to change or overcome that, whereas you can control your mental approach to situations (assuming you're healthy and well, obviously). So I wouldn't say that was the same at all.

I'll give you an example. I meet more intelligent, more successful, more attractive, richer people than me all the time through my job, like probably most of us do, but I'd never let myself be condescended to or even feel condescended to by any of them. Not in an arsey way. I just don't see myself as worse than them (or better than them, for that matter).

In terms of agreeing with him about me being an arrogant arsehole, I said I can be like that, not that I am only that. More of an acknowledgement than wearing a badge and being proud of it. But fair enough, if you see it that way.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 29, 2018, 10:39:26 PM
If you're a fanny, you could get away with being both. Split personality

That's what he said

No I didn't

Shurrup up you, shithouse.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 29, 2018, 10:48:03 PM
I've not seen any of the hysteria, I have seen people being excited that the club appear to have brought in someone with a decent track record and getting excited after listening to him speak, if you listened it was hard to not be impressed him.

I know in general we are pessimists as blues so let's just see how it turns our, I for one am excited and hopeful
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on May 29, 2018, 11:06:27 PM
I'll indulge you.

You complain about being condescended to A LOT. That's usually indicative of somebody with a massive inferiority complex. Being condescended to is about a power dynamic between two people and the state of mind of the two people speaking. You only get genuinely condescended to, if you allow it to happen, no matter what the other person is saying. So you need to stop allowing yourself to be condescended to or entering conversations with that pre-conceived inferiority complex, and you won't feel that way anymore.

Oh course I can be an arrogant arsehole. I've said as much myself numerous times on here. I mean...you're stating nothing new or insightful there, dude.
Cheers for the kind words, mate. Appreciate it really, but honestly there's no need. He's entitled to have a pop at me, and given that I am opinionated, I have to expect some comeback and disagreement sometimes without moaning about it.

I'm more than happy to argue the toss with that negative, 'poor scorn on everything' attitude all day long, because it's a very easy argument to debunk with basic logic.

You are a funny guy. Sometimes it seems to me you're trying to parody yourself.
Anyway, it's good to have high self-esteem, isn't it?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 29, 2018, 11:08:50 PM
I think physical violence is a bit different, because some people are just physically stronger and there's no way to change or overcome that, whereas you can control your mental approach to situations (assuming you're healthy and well, obviously). So I wouldn't say that was the same at all.

I'll give you an example. I meet more intelligent, more successful, more attractive, richer people than me all the time through my job, like probably most of us do, but I'd never let myself be condescended to or even feel condescended to by any of them. Not in an arsey way. I just don't see myself as worse than them (or better than them, for that matter).

In terms of agreeing with him about me being an arrogant arsehole, I said I can be like that, not that I am only that. More of an acknowledgement than wearing a badge and being proud of it. But fair enough, if you see it that way.

1) Beside the point, but I wasn't really going for physical violence.

2) I agree entirely, I treat the people I work with/have managed in the same way as the people who managed me. Hell, I ended up marrying my boss!

3) Semantics really - you acknowledge it but show little interest in doing anything about it. It just seems strange to agree with someone that you can be arrogant but then say he should be controlling his own mental approach, while you carry on regardless.

Anyway, this is off-topic (I hate reading these diversions when there's hope of news) and I have a mountain of work to get through. Definite cause for optimism from Brands.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 29, 2018, 11:18:45 PM
Donít think anyoneís expecting miracles where we suddenly find half a dozen players for buttons who end up fantastic

Just a proper plan where we sign what we need. Theyíll still be mistakes in the market. There always is but we will hopefully sign the types of player we actually need rather than a scattergun approach.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on May 29, 2018, 11:46:53 PM
I live and work in Amsterdam and currently work with an AZ fan and an Ajax supporter (who is ridiculously knowledgeable about world football), both sing his praises. Naturally, we will have to see but the talk from my Dutch colleagues differs considerably from what has been posted earlier.

I think you will struggle to find anybody in Holland who does not respect Brands! I also did not understand the post or what they said as he is very well liked and respected by most supporters here!

We all do not know if he will be a success at Everton, but if he brings half of the dedication and knowledge of the game he has then we should be happy we have him! He is a workaholic and is very good at his job, at least we have someone in the role we know has experience in doing the job he has been employed to do, rather than Walsh.

As I said even I do not know if he will succeed, but I do know for sure Brands will do it to his best ability!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Redartin on May 30, 2018, 12:05:37 AM
Thanks mate.

 lolol

Let's keep it real pet.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on May 30, 2018, 07:55:16 AM
Some proper misery arses floating around in here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 30, 2018, 08:52:30 AM
We can all be arrogant assholes sometimes (dunno about arrogant, I hate myself too much for that, but I surely am an asshole).  But BD is one of the nicest folks on here, and has been a very positive force during some awfully dark times.  I for one have appreciated it.

Nah, @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) is a right cunt ;)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Redartin on May 30, 2018, 11:50:03 AM
Nah, @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) is a right cunt ;)

Nah, he's not a cunt. He lacks depth and warmth. :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 30, 2018, 01:55:18 PM
Nah, he's not a cunt. He lacks depth and warmth. :)

This could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship, between you and BD.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 30, 2018, 02:26:44 PM
Donít think anyoneís expecting miracles where we suddenly find half a dozen players for buttons who end up fantastic

Just a proper plan where we sign what we need. Theyíll still be mistakes in the market. There always is but we will hopefully sign the types of player we actually need rather than a scattergun approach.

Exactly. We need an identity and then players who fit/buy into that. As I've said previously, I hope we go for blanket pace across the front, 3 Walcott-in-his-prime-type players, with an eye for goal.

There is also a hope that we may cast our net wider than last season's bottom 5. I'm a strong advocate of PL experience - when City first had their riches, they bought the best players from the 2 or 3 clubs around them (although mainly Arsenal); whereas we seem to offer a route away from relegation battles or a life in the Championship - but it really isn't very imaginative and there are plenty of players outside the Premier League who could take us forward.

There's always a risk associated with change, but this has to be a positive step towards where we want to go. And it's definitely more progressive than Steve Walsh and Sam Allardyce.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 30, 2018, 02:30:44 PM
Exactly. We need an identity and then players who fit/buy into that. As I've said previously, I hope we go for blanket pace across the front, 3 Walcott-in-his-prime-type players, with an eye for goal.

There is also a hope that we may cast our net wider than last season's bottom 5. I'm a strong advocate of PL experience - when City first had their riches, they bought the best players from the 2 or 3 clubs around them (although mainly Arsenal); whereas we seem to offer a route away from relegation battles or a life in the Championship - but it really isn't very imaginative and there are plenty of players outside the Premier League who could take us forward.

There's always a risk associated with change, but this has to be a positive step towards where we want to go. And it's definitely more progressive than Steve Walsh and Sam Allardyce.

Finally back on topic. And not pages and pages of people slagging each other off.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on June 02, 2018, 12:53:34 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1002557885170245632

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-unsworth-meets-everton-director-14734178

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on June 02, 2018, 01:10:02 AM
Started watching it at work and 10 seconds in had to make it clear to the others in the office I wasnt watching porn.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on June 02, 2018, 01:45:46 AM
Started watching it at work and 10 seconds in had to make it clear to the others in the office I wasnt watching porn.

I thought Huggy Bear was going to get out of the people carrier with him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2018, 05:41:45 AM
Taking in the sites

https://twitter.com/Pri1878/status/1002986721833779200
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on June 03, 2018, 05:43:12 AM
Handsome bastard
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on June 03, 2018, 05:52:26 AM
Taking in the sites

https://twitter.com/Pri1878/status/1002986721833779200

ĎSo whereís this slag and lettuce place rhino was telling me aboutí

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 03, 2018, 06:20:19 AM
Anyone think Unsworth has trimmed down a tad since Joey Barton was giving it the billy big bollocks?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on June 03, 2018, 02:06:54 PM
Anyone think Unsworth has trimmed down a tad since Joey Barton was giving it the billy big bollocks?
Stress can do that to you
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gash on June 03, 2018, 02:18:05 PM
Anyone think Unsworth has trimmed down a tad since Joey Barton was giving it the billy big bollocks?

Not in the video of him showing Brands round Finch Farm.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on June 03, 2018, 02:28:42 PM
Sucking it in, like me on the beach.

(https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article14734266.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/JS153438525.jpg)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on June 03, 2018, 03:09:53 PM
Lol..you can spot a 'sucking-it-up' pose a mile off. Good old undsie
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 09, 2019, 12:38:36 AM
Joined the board. Whatís that mean?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: NickNack on January 09, 2019, 12:41:35 AM
Joined the board. Whatís that mean?
does that mean heís a Director Director of football or a Director of Football Director?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gash on January 09, 2019, 12:43:57 AM
Joined the board. Whatís that mean?

Basically means he's in charge of all footballing matters and not just recruitment.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on January 09, 2019, 12:52:51 AM
Great news in my opinion, integrates him into Everton FC even more, shows we are committed to him and him us. Can't wait to see even more of his signings.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Martip on January 09, 2019, 01:04:28 AM
The real deal this guy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 09, 2019, 01:48:36 AM
Chief Minister for Keepie uppies.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Blue Lagoon on January 09, 2019, 04:24:13 AM
Serious move for him and us.
The rest of the board cover business matters. Eg sponsorship, stadium etc.
He now seemingly has sole control of football matters. Recruitment, strategy, management and coaches.
Good move if you ask me. Weíve Made some questionable decisions with recruitment of players and coaching staff since Moshiri arrived - this suggests heís seen that and is giving the reigns to a football expert, whilst running the business as he sees fit.
All for this.


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on January 09, 2019, 05:41:44 AM
Fantastic move by the club. Excellent long term decision.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Confucius on January 09, 2019, 09:41:55 AM
Will soon be president of the world this guy. Unstoppable.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on January 09, 2019, 04:35:50 PM
Imagine having a board member who actually knows something about football . Amazing !
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on January 09, 2019, 04:44:13 PM
Imagine having a board member who actually knows something about football . Amazing !
Yep, I get why Lukaku went, but some of Moshiris comments were a little concerning. He said something along the lines of it was hard to replace Lukaku, it would have cost 120 million and the player would want 250k a week, so why did he let him go for 75 million if he knew a replacement of that standard would be nearly double? I get Rom wanted out but he still had 2 years on his contract, a world cup coming up etc so it wasn't like he was walking for free anytime soon or about to down tools? Hopefully having Brands on the board will enable decisions to be better thought through and give a better idea on market values of replacements prior to selling key assets

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on January 09, 2019, 08:21:09 PM
Yep, I get why Lukaku went, but some of Moshiris comments were a little concerning. He said something along the lines of it was hard to replace Lukaku, it would have cost 120 million and the player would want 250k a week, so why did he let him go for 75 million if he knew a replacement of that standard would be nearly double? I get Rom wanted out but he still had 2 years on his contract, a world cup coming up etc so it wasn't like he was walking for free anytime soon or about to down tools? Hopefully having Brands on the board will enable decisions to be better thought through and give a better idea on market values of replacements prior to selling key assets

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Wasn't about to down tools  lolol

Is this the same Lukaku we couldn't get to report to training because he was out in Miami with Pogba ?.
Moshiris hand was forced imho ...we had a player who didn't want to be here... end of.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on January 09, 2019, 10:22:19 PM
Wasn't about to down tools  lolol

Is this the same Lukaku we couldn't get to report to training because he was out in Miami with Pogba ?.
Moshiris hand was forced imho ...we had a player who didn't want to be here... end of.

You're right, he didnt want to be there, but I find it comical/worrying that our Chairman has alluded to the fact that to replace him it wouldv'e cost roughly twice as much as what we sold him for, that doesnt make sense!
If we're going to get walked over that easy by players/other teams just cause our player says they want to leave its a concern and that why I hope this appointment will nullify that, thats the main point.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 09, 2019, 10:33:50 PM
No one is paying £120m for Lukaku.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on January 09, 2019, 10:42:01 PM
Yep, I get why Lukaku went, but some of Moshiris comments were a little concerning. He said something along the lines of it was hard to replace Lukaku, it would have cost 120 million and the player would want 250k a week, so why did he let him go for 75 million if he knew a replacement of that standard would be nearly double? I get Rom wanted out but he still had 2 years on his contract, a world cup coming up etc so it wasn't like he was walking for free anytime soon or about to down tools? Hopefully having Brands on the board will enable decisions to be better thought through and give a better idea on market values of replacements prior to selling key assets

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There's so much speculation in that comment.

You don't know what was promised to the individual and what wasn't. I realise it sounds good on a forum to say 'just keep him, and tell him to get on with it' but human relationships don't always work that way. Sometimes you have to honour agreements and maximise value.

Also, it wasn't £75m, it was £100m (Paul Joyce) - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/manchester-united-deal-for-100m-lukaku-sn9vg6jtf. People like to say £75m to perpetuate the idea that Moshiri is clueless, but it's fairly transparent.

We wouldn't have got anywhere close to £100m a year later. Maybe not even half of that.

The mismanagment of the situation came not from selling Rom for £100m with two years left, but in the lack of replacement and strategy going forward.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on January 09, 2019, 10:51:16 PM
There's so much speculation in that comment.

You don't know what was promised to the individual and what wasn't. I realise it sounds good on a forum to say 'just keep him, and tell him to get on with it' but human relationships don't always work that way. Sometimes you have to honour agreements and maximise value.

Also, it wasn't £75m, it was £100m (Paul Joyce) - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/manchester-united-deal-for-100m-lukaku-sn9vg6jtf. People like to say £75m to perpetuate the idea that Moshiri is clueless, but it's fairly transparent.

We wouldn't have got anywhere close to £100m a year later. Maybe not even half of that.

The mismanagment of the situation came not from selling Rom for £100m with two years left, but in the lack of replacement and strategy going forward.

United wouldnít get near 100m for him now if they sold him
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on January 09, 2019, 11:05:36 PM
United wouldnít get near 100m for him now if they sold him

Agreed. So it was good business to sell him for that, with only 2 years left, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Martip on January 09, 2019, 11:15:44 PM
Did they really pay 100m ? If so we did really well but I have my doubts
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 09, 2019, 11:58:11 PM
Did they really pay 100m ? If so we did really well but I have my doubts

"up to" £100m.

We could receive £90m
£15m per year for 5 years (all initial fees are spread over the length of the signed contract between player and buying club) makes up the £75m that is widely quoted as the figure.

There were £15m in bonus add-ons. (They're not winning much, so we're relying on his goals or contract extension to bring in some of that.)

The "missing" £10m between the £90m Evertoun could receive and the £100m quoted earlier and elsewhere is the reason Chelsea weren't stronger contenders for his signature. Riola took a cool £10m agent fee. United paid that, but we don't see it.

So:
£75m (we received guaranteed)
£85m (how much United deffo have to pay)
£90m (how much we may receive)
£100m (how much United may have to pay when all is said and done)

are all correct.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: NickNack on January 10, 2019, 12:24:27 AM
Didnít Rooney figure somewhere in the sums of that deal?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2019, 12:57:41 AM
Didn't Rooney figure somewhere in the sums of that deal?
The media like to include him as being worth £10m as part of that deal but it probably wasn't really.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Martip on January 10, 2019, 02:04:22 AM
"up to" £100m.

We could receive £90m
£15m per year for 5 years (all initial fees are spread over the length of the signed contract between player and buying club) makes up the £75m that is widely quoted as the figure.

There were £15m in bonus add-ons. (They're not winning much, so we're relying on his goals or contract extension to bring in some of that.)

The "missing" £10m between the £90m Evertoun could receive and the £100m quoted earlier and elsewhere is the reason Chelsea weren't stronger contenders for his signature. Riola took a cool £10m agent fee. United paid that, but we don't see it.

So:
£75m (we received guaranteed)
£85m (how much United deffo have to pay)
£90m (how much we may receive)
£100m (how much United may have to pay when all is said and done)

are all correct.
Fooking hell he doesn't come cheap !
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 10, 2019, 02:55:37 PM
Don't know how Riola gets by on a measley 10 million quid for a few hours work.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 10, 2019, 03:34:43 PM
Don't know how Riola gets by on a measley 10 million quid for a few hours work.

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 02, 2019, 03:33:14 PM
Brands doing an interview right now, saying some really good things


https://twitter.com/philkecho?lang=en-gb
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 02, 2019, 03:37:57 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1112997024247570432

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1112997442360958978

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 02, 2019, 03:39:43 PM
Sensible thinking finally.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 02, 2019, 03:41:05 PM
Brilliant this

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1112990588478152705
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 02, 2019, 03:45:55 PM
Brilliant this

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1112990588478152705

Love that.

Heís saying all the right things and you know itís not bullshit.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 02, 2019, 03:49:47 PM
Deffo looking like an exciting summer ahead.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on April 02, 2019, 03:51:45 PM
This Marcel Brands character, excites me.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 02, 2019, 04:04:09 PM
He's fucking boss, I'm so bought in to Brandsy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 02, 2019, 04:28:05 PM
Saw an image of him last night on Twitter on the train on his laptop catching up on, what it looked like, some Football Manager in his downtime.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 02, 2019, 04:39:29 PM
Saw an image of him last night on Twitter on the train on his laptop catching up on, what it looked like, some Football Manager in his downtime.

Wasn't FM, was work for us and I was absolutely desperate for a clearer image
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on April 02, 2019, 04:39:36 PM
Saw an image of him last night on Twitter on the train on his laptop catching up on, what it looked like, some Football Manager in his downtime.

Biggest player database on the planet, he may well use it for work. I'm not even kidding.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 02, 2019, 04:47:07 PM
Wasn't FM, was work for us and I was absolutely desperate for a clearer image

I'll admit that I zoomed in more than once
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 02, 2019, 05:20:48 PM
This guy seriously knows his job imo. Seems a stone cold pro.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 02, 2019, 05:24:45 PM
Despite the down moments this season - I feel confident that with Brands at the helm, that we are on the right path and the good times will not be far away.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 02, 2019, 05:30:58 PM
Just zoomed in again on the pic of him on the train, still can't see his cock.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 02, 2019, 06:24:43 PM
This is what you want to hear.

Getting good value for right aged players with lots of re sale value.

This guy is gonna run us like a genuine fucking business.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on April 02, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
Biggest player database on the planet, he may well use it for work. I'm not even kidding.
That database is created by a bunch of amateur fans and is on par with using FIFA19 to scout players.

But I do hope people would now stop panicking when we are linked with some 30-year old. AND STOP SUGGESTING SOME WASHED UP HAS-BEENS BECAUSE THEY WERE DECENT FIVE YEARS AGO.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Robioto on April 02, 2019, 06:51:44 PM
That database is created by a bunch of amateur fans and is on par with using FIFA19 to scout players.

Believe me, there is far far more to it than that. I used to do a bit of work for Sports Interactive back when I was at university.

FIFA ratings are purely for maximising profit in FUT and are only loosely based on real life performance.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gash on April 02, 2019, 07:09:57 PM
We signed a deal back in 2008 to use the FM database to scout players.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 02, 2019, 07:12:35 PM
We signed a deal back in 2008 to use the FM database to scout players.

Yeh I thought we did. We must have lost the Login details.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on April 02, 2019, 09:29:32 PM
Yeh I thought we did. We must have lost the Login details.

Naaa Koeman Walsh and Allardyce couldn't switch the laptop on ..with it being from this decade.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Outworlder47 on April 02, 2019, 11:16:20 PM
Naaa Koeman Walsh and Allardyce couldn't switch the laptop on ..with it being from this decade.

Walsh forgot to take off the "attacking CM" filter when searching for players.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 03, 2019, 12:55:18 AM
Iím honestly really excited about the clear out. Easily on par with how excited I am about potential incomings.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 03, 2019, 01:19:28 AM
Dying to know the players weíve planned to go for in the summer
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 03, 2019, 02:21:06 AM
https://twitter.com/Harray97/status/1113126789759537152
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on April 03, 2019, 02:26:38 AM
Dying to know the players weíve planned to go for in the summer

Zouma and Gomes...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 03, 2019, 06:40:14 PM
Actual sense and strategy, what is this crazy notion!!

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-analysis-after-marcel-16069324?fbclid=IwAR1T7PiOvXa3hWpYBEc8OdB-aLk0YeqmRxK80e50w0rkajc-10zBn5cFrAQ
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 03, 2019, 06:51:11 PM
I love that he sees the squad depth of bigger clubs as an opportunity to find quality stuck on the sidelines, as we found with Digne and Mina.

Just a progressive and constructive mentality.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 03, 2019, 06:52:52 PM
Light years away from the Walsh and Koeman relationship.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 03, 2019, 07:54:55 PM
I love that he sees the squad depth of bigger clubs as an opportunity to find quality stuck on the sidelines, as we found with Digne and Mina.

Just a progressive and constructive mentality.

Ahhhhh

Makes a change from the "we don't want any more cast offs from United/Arsenal/Chelsea" shouts

Or is this the same thing?

 ???
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 03, 2019, 07:58:38 PM
Ahhhhh

Makes a change from the "we don't want any more cast offs from United/Arsenal/Chelsea" shouts

Or is this the same thing?

 ???

Depends how old they are.

Signing zabaleta is not the same as signing jadon sancho, na mean.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 03, 2019, 08:43:19 PM
Just zoomed in again on the pic of him on the train, still can't see his cock.
At least it isn't sticking out of the top of his head ala Big Sam
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 03, 2019, 08:45:11 PM
Naaa Koeman Walsh and Allardyce couldn't switch the laptop on ..with it being from this decade.

Whoa this decade ???

Fyi
https://meetingtomorrow.com/content-library/who-invented-the-laptop-computer

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 03, 2019, 08:47:16 PM
Light years away from the Walsh and Koeman relationship.

Interesting to hear him say that they didn't see eye to eye .
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on April 03, 2019, 09:12:30 PM
the lad who was tweeting about seeing brands laptop on the train said he could see him looking at x2 players from Portugal, one with a clubs badge he didn't recognise and he also noticed a player with a Lyon crest next to his name. Hope its NDombele, think it could be a young striker they have though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on April 03, 2019, 09:36:53 PM
Whoa this decade ???

Fyi
https://meetingtomorrow.com/content-library/who-invented-the-laptop-computer

Many thanks ,but at no point did i say it was the first ever laptop ...merely the aforementioned have never used or even could use one . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Silas on April 03, 2019, 09:50:34 PM
Great read even if the echo site has more add ons and pop ups than my laptop when I used to use lime wire
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on April 03, 2019, 09:57:38 PM
Great read even if the echo site has more add ons and pop ups than my laptop when I used to use lime wire
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I get less pop-ups trying to watch us on dodgy streams!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 04, 2019, 02:53:10 AM
Great read even if the echo site has more add ons and pop ups than my laptop when I used to use lime wire

Iíve never seen anything quite like it. The read only feature in mobile safari was invented because of the Echo website.

Fucking amateurs.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 04, 2019, 03:23:08 AM
Great read even if the echo site has more add ons and pop ups than my laptop when I used to use lime wire

Lime wire.

They where jndeed the days.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 04, 2019, 10:08:48 PM
Many thanks ,but at no point did i say it was the first ever laptop ...merely the aforementioned have never used or even could use one . :thumbsup:

Not my words but yours "Naaa Koeman Walsh and Allardyce couldn't switch the laptop on ..with it being from this decade. " So ,as I never said that you said it was the first laptop ,I presume you will see why I posted .
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 04, 2019, 10:11:02 PM
Great read even if the echo site has more add ons and pop ups than my laptop when I used to use lime wire
I don't get any pop ups at all . I use uBlock ,I think !
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 04, 2019, 10:53:38 PM
Everything about Brands impresses me.  The professionalism is a stark, welcome contrast.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lazarou on June 20, 2019, 06:10:11 PM
Where can I get one of these pullover T -Shirts Marcel is rocking?

(https://i.imgur.com/ZXlgOnv.jpg)


Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on June 20, 2019, 06:20:15 PM
That's horrendous. First time Marcel's let himself down imo.

Think it's just a power play to let all the players know who's got the biggest arms at the club.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on June 20, 2019, 06:36:55 PM
Must be a Dutch thing, I bet he wears socks with sandals as well.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on June 20, 2019, 06:45:58 PM
Really disappointing that.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lazarou on June 20, 2019, 07:18:16 PM
That's horrendous. First time Marcel's let himself down imo.

Think it's just a power play to let all the players know who's got the biggest arms at the club.

You have to have some balls to slip that on in a morning look in the mirror and think 'yep, nailed it!'
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on June 20, 2019, 07:23:16 PM
Never seen a Dutchie wearing that sort of thing here. He truly is his own man.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 20, 2019, 07:23:25 PM
Where can I get one of these pullover T -Shirts Marcel is rocking?

(https://i.imgur.com/ZXlgOnv.jpg)

Is Baines wearing the new shirt or is that a training top?



Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on June 20, 2019, 08:52:28 PM
Must be a Dutch thing, I bet he wears socks with sandals as well.

If you ski in the alps it is full of Dutch and they have no hills so the busiest place is the hospital.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on June 20, 2019, 10:59:13 PM
https://twitter.com/EllBretland/status/1141650293421203456
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheTone on June 21, 2019, 05:21:06 AM
Horrendous clobber

Brands out
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on June 21, 2019, 02:16:01 PM
I want Steve Walsh and his Man from C&A suits back, stat.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on June 23, 2019, 02:36:28 PM
I don't mind the short-sleeved jumper and shirt combo - I just think he's not done it well.

Look at how the round jumper-collar rides up too high on the shirt-collar and how it stifles the look at the throat.

A narrower jumper collar, with possibly a v-neck front, would allow more expression of the shirt collar, allowing both garments to work together on this look. Currently they are competing with each other and that visual disharmony is part of the reason we are not comfortable with this ensemble.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 23, 2019, 04:53:14 PM
If you ski in the alps it is full of Dutch and they have no hills so the busiest place is the hospital.

Hills yes, mountains no. The north is flat the south is not, but the Dutch are good skiers so donít really get the joke.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 23, 2019, 06:58:06 PM
Horrendous clobber

Brands out

lolol

I think he pulls it off, in a 1980s action movie or tv star kinda way... I'm thinking the A-team meets Bond, maybe...
yeah, it is bad, but the man clearly doesn't give a shit and I like that a lot.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on June 23, 2019, 11:39:07 PM
Hills yes, mountains no. The north is flat the south is not, but the Dutch are good skiers so donít really get the joke.
Well it wasn't a joke it was first hand knowledge .Been there got the t-shirt .I love the Dutch but they are crazy on the snow/ice.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 24, 2019, 01:15:52 AM
Well it wasn't a joke it was first hand knowledge .Been there got the t-shirt .I love the Dutch but they are crazy on the snow/ice.

Ahh the been there got the t-shirt fact! I wouldnít know as when we all go on winter sport we snowboard and ski, we do not spend all our time in the hospital looking up nationalities as you seem to do. But everyone needs a hobby. So far not known anyone to come back injured so maybe itís not as bad as you think, seeing as you also thought there are no hills here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on June 24, 2019, 01:34:24 AM
Ahh the been there got the t-shirt fact! I wouldnít know as when we all go on winter sport we snowboard and ski, we do not spend all our time in the hospital looking up nationalities as you seem to do. But everyone needs a hobby. So far not known anyone to come back injured so maybe itís not as bad as you think, seeing as you also thought there are no hills here.

My wife's Dutch, I know loads of Dutch people who have been or go skiing.  I know two people who have injured themselves skiing (dislocated shoulder / broken hip) - both English.

So yeah, I'm with you here, don't think it's true.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on June 24, 2019, 01:40:55 AM
Speaking of misdirected national stereotypes, remember that fella who blamed our bad mid-season form on all Portuguese people being sullen and moody!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on June 24, 2019, 12:58:06 PM
Ahh the been there got the t-shirt fact! I wouldnít know as when we all go on winter sport we snowboard and ski, we do not spend all our time in the hospital looking up nationalities as you seem to do. But everyone needs a hobby. So far not known anyone to come back injured so maybe itís not as bad as you think, seeing as you also thought there are no hills here.

Well I will reply to you I never said all of The Netherlands was flat though I can see I might have implied it .I have never known a murderer but it doesn't mean there aren't any ,so your not knowing anyone come back injured is as bad as my implication on the terrain .  The statement I made was not from stalking the hospital as you say  but simply from being in bars watching and talking.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on June 24, 2019, 01:27:08 PM
Oh lord, please let us sign someone soon so that we can talk about that instead.

Even the kit release would help at this point.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on June 27, 2019, 07:51:27 PM
https://www.planetfootball.com/in-depth/logic-and-a-long-term-view-how-marcel-brands-has-got-everton-back-on-track/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on June 27, 2019, 09:25:45 PM
https://www.planetfootball.com/in-depth/logic-and-a-long-term-view-how-marcel-brands-has-got-everton-back-on-track/

Good read that. Encapsulates the feeling amongst us at the minute, that we're moving in the right direction under a man with a plan.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mouse on June 27, 2019, 09:43:15 PM
Breathe out and relax. Is that the feeling everyone else gets when reading anything about Brands?

It is exactly as the article says, I feel we have someone who is overseeing the club with only it's best, long term, interests at heart. Of course, I want to hear about new signings but that is more to do with alleviating the summer boredom. Deep down, I know that whatever we do will be the right thing. Nothing desparate, no crazy fees, just good solid business done with a plan in mind.

I wish he was looking after my finances!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on June 27, 2019, 10:16:59 PM
Breathe out and relax. Is that the feeling everyone else gets when reading anything about Brands?

It is exactly as the article says, I feel we have someone who is overseeing the club with only it's best, long term, interests at heart. Of course, I want to hear about new signings but that is more to do with alleviating the summer boredom. Deep down, I know that whatever we do will be the right thing. Nothing desparate, no crazy fees, just good solid business done with a plan in mind.

I wish he was looking after my finances!

I wish he was looking after my life. I'd follow his directions blindly and probably die the happiest man this planet has ever known.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ally2 on June 27, 2019, 10:24:51 PM
I'm a fan of what he's done so far but that's easy when times are good. I do think it's one of those roles where someone probably gets slightly more credit or criticism than they deserve based upon results. A bit like an assistant manger does or first team coaches.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Polledreng on June 27, 2019, 10:28:44 PM
I'm a fan of what he's done so far but that's easy when times are good. I do think it's one of those roles where someone probably gets slightly more credit or criticism than they deserve based upon results. A bit like an assistant manger does or first team coaches.
So you are comparing Brands with Boa Morte .... serious ??
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ally2 on June 27, 2019, 10:29:39 PM
So you are comparing Brands with Boa Morte .... serious ??

No
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on July 04, 2019, 05:52:33 PM
Paul Joyce has apparently stated in an article that Brands was wanted three years ago but good old Ronald vetoed it.

 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2019, 05:56:00 PM
Paul Joyce has apparently stated in an article that Brands was wanted three years ago but good old Ronald vetoed it.

 

This isn't why I have my notifications on Paul

Announce Mbappe

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Nicco on July 04, 2019, 06:22:22 PM
Paul Joyce has apparently stated in an article that Brands was wanted three years ago but good old Ronald vetoed it.

 
And he is still getting paid by us...

Should owe us money for almost ruining the club the cockwomble.

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on July 04, 2019, 10:05:38 PM
Paul Joyce has apparently stated in an article that Brands was wanted three years ago but good old Ronald vetoed it.

 

Wonder if that has anything to do with Brands binning him off in a former job . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on July 04, 2019, 11:12:45 PM
Wonder if that has anything to do with Brands binning him off in a former job . :thumbsup:

Might also be because Brands seems to value some degree of professional competence over golfing holidays and brasses from Ellesmere Port.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 04, 2019, 11:42:12 PM
Brands is an absolute Godsend.  Gives us a much-needed sense of purpose and stability.  Short-term thinking is ruinous, and I hope Moshiri has learned that lesson now.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 05, 2019, 12:53:56 AM
Paul Joyce has apparently stated in an article that Brands was wanted three years ago but good old Ronald vetoed it.

 

I actually hate Koeman, which is pathetic, I know
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on July 05, 2019, 01:08:00 AM
I do feel as though we are indeed in good hands with Brands.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on February 19, 2020, 11:56:34 PM
Might be an interesting watch

FASCINATING BRANDS DOCUMENTARY TO AIR AT 6.30PM TONIGHT

By Everton

A fascinating documentary focusing on the career of Everton Director of Football Marcel Brands will air on Sky Sports Premier League tonight at 6.30pm.

It will feature in the Premier League World programme and includes interviews with a host of star names including Louis van Gaal, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Carlo Ancelotti, Andre Gomes and Brands himself.

The documentary will chart Brandsí journey from player to commercial director and then technical director at RKC Waalwijk. It will then focus on Brandsí hugely-successful time with AZ Alkmaar when - alongside manager van Gaal - he helped shape an Eredivisie title-winning side.

Brands' eight-year spell at PSV Eindhoven - during which time he revolutionised their renowned Academy - will also be covered, before moving on the Dutchmanís motivations for moving to Everton and his ambitions at the Club.

As well hearing from the likes of van Gaal, Martin Jol and van Nistelrooy - who Brands convinced to take up coaching at PSV's academy after he'd finished playing - there are also interviews with Marcelís father, Tiny, and brother, Frank.

Several Everton players including Gomes, Richarlison and Yerry Mina also feature, while Blues boss Ancelotti shines a light on his working relationship with Brands.

The documentary will feature on Premier League World on Sky Sports Premier League at 6.30pm on Wednesday. It will air across the Sky Sports network throughout the next week. Supporters outside the UK should check their national sports networks to find out when Premier League World is available.



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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 20, 2020, 12:39:39 AM
Is this a documentary or just part of another programme?

Like, is it an half an hour special on Brands?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on February 20, 2020, 12:44:56 AM
Is this a documentary or just part of another programme?

Like, is it an half an hour special on Brands?
Half an hour of Brands

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on February 20, 2020, 01:10:36 AM
Was pretty boss that to be fair. Don't often get programmes like that about us as a club a d lots of big football names with nothing but praise for the big man.

If a Brands Ancelotti partnership doesn't get you excited for the future there's no hope for you!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on February 20, 2020, 01:17:34 AM
Was pretty boss that to be fair. Don't often get programmes like that about us as a club a d lots of big football names with nothing but praise for the big man.

If a Brands Ancelotti partnership doesn't get you excited for the future there's no hope for you!
...........enjoyed it , nice to see our club presented in a positive light.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 20, 2020, 01:18:41 AM
Was pretty boss that to be fair. Don't often get programmes like that about us as a club a d lots of big football names with nothing but praise for the big man.

If a Brands Ancelotti partnership doesn't get you excited for the future there's no hope for you!
We're severely scorned Evertonians so there is certainly still a doubt.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 20, 2020, 02:47:00 AM
Looking forward to this
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on February 20, 2020, 06:31:36 AM
There a link to this?

Dont have a sky subscription.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on February 20, 2020, 01:59:56 PM
Brands related - sniffing around Real's chief scout:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/02/19/real-madrid-chief-scout-juni-calafat-shopping-list-several-premier/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on February 20, 2020, 02:15:19 PM
Brands related - sniffing around Real's chief scout:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/02/19/real-madrid-chief-scout-juni-calafat-shopping-list-several-premier/
Surely given our financial limitations a Real Madrid scout is the last thing we need!?

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 20, 2020, 03:16:42 PM
Surely given our financial limitations a Real Madrid scout is the last thing we need!?

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Sigh

Our financial limitations are based on the fact we have a bloated squad on stupid wages that still needs trimming significantly

For pure cash we just get random sponsorship deals
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on February 20, 2020, 08:56:06 PM
Sigh

Our financial limitations are based on the fact we have a bloated squad on stupid wages that still needs trimming significantly

For pure cash we just get random sponsorship deals

USM Juni Calafat !
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Crackling on February 21, 2020, 02:19:59 AM
Probably shouldn't have watched the sky documentary. It has me far too optimistic for the future.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on February 21, 2020, 02:34:30 PM
Tiny Brands... superb.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 21, 2020, 03:54:23 PM
https://footballhighlightspro.com/premier-league-world-20th-february-2020/30148/21/02/2020/

enjoy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on February 22, 2020, 05:06:44 AM
https://footballhighlightspro.com/premier-league-world-20th-february-2020/30148/21/02/2020/

enjoy

Oh my god. I am firmly back aboard the Marcel Express! Full steam ahead you sexy bastard
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 23, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
Really enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on February 26, 2020, 10:13:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1232665281232850944
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on February 26, 2020, 11:40:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1232665281232850944

Always liked Ruud, sadly I think he hates me after I booted his kid's football in the sea on a Dutch island... He had to go wading in almost to his chest to retrieve it 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: boothill on February 27, 2020, 12:47:09 AM
Distribution like pickford then? 
Always liked Ruud, sadly I think he hates me after I booted his kid's football in the sea on a Dutch island... He had to go wading in almost to his chest to retrieve it

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on February 27, 2020, 01:00:33 AM
Distribution like pickford then? 
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🤣🤣🤣

Honestly saw an amazing claim to fame story unfolding in front on my eyes.  Ruud and his kids playing footy on the beach, one of the kids misplaces a pass and it rolls to me, I look over at the boy whose waiting for me to kick it back to him, but past him is the great Dutchman.  So I opt instead to chip it over the boy to Ruud so I can regale people with the tale of that time I played a perfectly weighted 20 yard pass to one of the greatest strikers of his generation.

Sadly I properly shanked it about 20 yards to the side instead and VERY far in to the sea 😬😬😬
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 10, 2020, 06:24:52 AM
Bumping this because there seems to be a lot of Brands talk creeping it's way into loads of threads, so maybe it's time to have a more focussed reflection on his time here?

I'll set my stall out; I don't think he's doing anywhere near as bad a job as some are making out, and it was always going to be a much longer process than many on here had envisaged.

My thoughts on his buys where they're at:

- Richarlison - Great buy, probably our best player, big future.

- Digne - Another excellent acquisition, been quality since day one.

- Mina - Again, a solid acquisition. Endured an injury hit first season which gives a false impression of him I think.

- Zouma (L) - Was solid during his time here, would have been a solid acquisition, Chelsea obviously didn't want to sell.

- Sidibe (L) - A mixed bag, probably not good enough but if it was only a season cover to get Kenny up to speed then understandable.

- Lossl - Hard to make an assessment when he never really got a look in. Provided cover, nothing more.

- Virginia - Young up and coming GK that is/was worth a punt? As above really.

- Bernard - Copping a lot of flack recently but has shown that he is capable of performing at this level, form has been patchy but a good manager should get the best out of him.

- Gomes - Despite recent opinions everyone was in agreement (well, mostly) that we should sign him after a successful loan. Foot falling off can't have helped!

- Gbamin - mightily unlucky on this one, that's all there is to say really. Hopefully he gets to prove himself.

- Kean - Young and raw, needs game time and we can all see it. When an opportunity to sign one of the hottest prospects in European football presents itself you don't turn it down though. Not one to be assessed now, patience is needed.

- Iwobi - This one for me is the one that stands out at the moment. Looks really lost and despite a couple of decent cameos has been the case for much of the season. I'm not one to give up on a player but this is testing. Hard to see what he was brought in for as doesn't seem to have a particular role.

- Delph - Hmmm, a very unpopular signing that really hasn't done much to endear himself to the fans.


So, that's 13 major incomings with only 2 real black marks against them. I think you're being extremely harsh to suggest otherwise, but this is an opinions game after all.

To add context to his role I think we should also take into account the absolute shit show he inherited and the work needed in 'clearing the decks'...

- Rooney
- Robles
- Grant
- Mirallas
- Onyekuru
- Browning
- Funes Mori
- Klaassen
- Galloway
- Hewelt
- Jagielka
- McCarthy
- Vlasic
- Lookman
- Gueye
- Stecklenberg
- Schneiderlin

17 players shifted as actual transfers, another 26 outgoing loans of mostly unwanted players and 4 released players. So that's 47 outgoing deals by my calculations.

I think the enormity of the task he's faced / is facing is sometimes lost on us, and that for the most part, bar one or two blips his dealings have been good. There are still deficiencies in the squad of course, but we are in a far healthier position to build on than when he arrived, as hard as that is to accept when we're watching dross like tonight and against Spurs.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on Brands :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 06:37:24 AM
Heís done terribly. Bernard has contributed nothing. We couldnít give him away now.
Gomes should have been a no regardless. When we knew gueye was going there should have been no debate on it. Was obvious that Gomes and sigurdsson was being carried by him
Kean has so far been shite. Maybe he comes good but so far he hasnít
Iwobi struggling too but also doesnít seem to have a role suitable for him
Richarlison has been great, digne good and Mina okay if a little expensive. The rest just disappointment after disappointment

Sold gueye cheaply (he did regardless of age our midfielders are all useless without him)
Hasnít moved the likes of Sandro and bolasie on just allowed them to go out on loans (which are probably still costing us money) thereís no skill in practically giving players away. I could get bolasie a loan where we pay half his wages
The real talent would have been getting ahead of the game with a sigurdsson and moving him on when he was shit but scoring goals


Is he better than Walsh? Gueye is better than every player brands has signed and was only 7m. Did Walsh sign DCL too? If brands gets a pass for kean and Gbamin then Walsh should get similar for Sandro and bolasie.

Honestly I donít know how this is a debate. Our midfield is inept. Brands signed Gomes Bernard Delph and iwobi. At what stage is he responsible
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on July 10, 2020, 06:41:56 AM
50-60mil on Iwobi and Kean. Insane amount of money for a pair of players who have give absolutely nothing this season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Shogun on July 10, 2020, 07:16:27 AM
It's not Marcel Brands' job to have players perform well for Everton, that's the manager's job.

It's Marcel Brands' job to identify players based on value, suitability and what they can potentially offer the team. He doesn't play Iwobi out of position every week, he doesn't inflict injury upon injury to Jean Philippe Gbamin. So using the criteria of their performance to judge him is wrong, you need to look at the intentions behind signing a player.

The only player I don't understand us signing is Iwobi, because that was a lot of money for player who hadn't really suggested at Arsenal that he's worth that much, or is going to be worth much more.

Gomes was probably bought with the backing of Silva and knowing that at 24 years old and £22m, with his pedigree, we'd probably at least make our money back if we sold him a few years after anyway.

You can moan about Bernard as much as you want but if we sold him in the summer he'd fetch us a healthy profit.

Whilst there's not much he can do about the dross that were brought in on high wages before he got here and no other club want to touch.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 10, 2020, 07:42:20 AM
Heís done terribly. Bernard has contributed nothing. We couldnít give him away now.

Mate, honestly, can you try and have an honest discussion without flying off the handle with outrageous claims?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 10, 2020, 07:44:41 AM
50-60mil on Iwobi and Kean. Insane amount of money for a pair of players who have give absolutely nothing this season.

And in the appraisal above I acknowledge that Iwobi is thus far a bad buy.

As for Kean I thought people would start to realise that young players take time to mature and develop. It's almost as if the Holgate and DCL transitions haven't happened. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 10, 2020, 12:48:04 PM
Mate, honestly, can you try and have an honest discussion without flying off the handle with outrageous claims?

As if you didnít know what would happen by bumping this thread!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 12:48:18 PM
Bumping this because there seems to be a lot of Brands talk creeping it's way into loads of threads, so maybe it's time to have a more focussed reflection on his time here?

I'll set my stall out; I don't think he's doing anywhere near as bad a job as some are making out, and it was always going to be a much longer process than many on here had envisaged.

My thoughts on his buys where they're at:

- Richarlison - Great buy, probably our best player, big future.

- Digne - Another excellent acquisition, been quality since day one.

- Mina - Again, a solid acquisition. Endured an injury hit first season which gives a false impression of him I think.

- Zouma (L) - Was solid during his time here, would have been a solid acquisition, Chelsea obviously didn't want to sell.

- Sidibe (L) - A mixed bag, probably not good enough but if it was only a season cover to get Kenny up to speed then understandable.

- Lossl - Hard to make an assessment when he never really got a look in. Provided cover, nothing more.

- Virginia - Young up and coming GK that is/was worth a punt? As above really.

- Bernard - Copping a lot of flack recently but has shown that he is capable of performing at this level, form has been patchy but a good manager should get the best out of him.

- Gomes - Despite recent opinions everyone was in agreement (well, mostly) that we should sign him after a successful loan. Foot falling off can't have helped!

- Gbamin - mightily unlucky on this one, that's all there is to say really. Hopefully he gets to prove himself.

- Kean - Young and raw, needs game time and we can all see it. When an opportunity to sign one of the hottest prospects in European football presents itself you don't turn it down though. Not one to be assessed now, patience is needed.

- Iwobi - This one for me is the one that stands out at the moment. Looks really lost and despite a couple of decent cameos has been the case for much of the season. I'm not one to give up on a player but this is testing. Hard to see what he was brought in for as doesn't seem to have a particular role.

- Delph - Hmmm, a very unpopular signing that really hasn't done much to endear himself to the fans.


So, that's 13 major incomings with only 2 real black marks against them. I think you're being extremely harsh to suggest otherwise, but this is an opinions game after all.

To add context to his role I think we should also take into account the absolute shit show he inherited and the work needed in 'clearing the decks'...

- Rooney
- Robles
- Grant
- Mirallas
- Onyekuru
- Browning
- Funes Mori
- Klaassen
- Galloway
- Hewelt
- Jagielka
- McCarthy
- Vlasic
- Lookman
- Gueye
- Stecklenberg
- Schneiderlin

17 players shifted as actual transfers, another 26 outgoing loans of mostly unwanted players and 4 released players. So that's 47 outgoing deals by my calculations.

I think the enormity of the task he's faced / is facing is sometimes lost on us, and that for the most part, bar one or two blips his dealings have been good. There are still deficiencies in the squad of course, but we are in a far healthier position to build on than when he arrived, as hard as that is to accept when we're watching dross like tonight and against Spurs.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on Brands :)
There are some OK signings but the 'positives' you list I'm not sure. Vlasic and Rooney get in this side, AC Milan want Browning and the rest were either loaned out until their contract expired or sold ridiculously cheap. It's a massive summer for him either way, I think he has a long way to go to justify half of the hype of I'm honest
When you factor in the amount he's spent and the state we're in, it's pretty poor
I dont get why Moshiri even changed the model, our recruitment was actually decent before Brands and Walsh arrived, who was in charge of that?


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on July 10, 2020, 01:28:15 PM
Bumping this because there seems to be a lot of Brands talk creeping it's way into loads of threads, so maybe it's time to have a more focussed reflection on his time here?

I'll set my stall out; I don't think he's doing anywhere near as bad a job as some are making out, and it was always going to be a much longer process than many on here had envisaged.

My thoughts on his buys where they're at:

- Richarlison - Great buy, probably our best player, big future.

- Digne - Another excellent acquisition, been quality since day one.

- Mina - Again, a solid acquisition. Endured an injury hit first season which gives a false impression of him I think.

- Zouma (L) - Was solid during his time here, would have been a solid acquisition, Chelsea obviously didn't want to sell.

- Sidibe (L) - A mixed bag, probably not good enough but if it was only a season cover to get Kenny up to speed then understandable.

- Lossl - Hard to make an assessment when he never really got a look in. Provided cover, nothing more.

- Virginia - Young up and coming GK that is/was worth a punt? As above really.

- Bernard - Copping a lot of flack recently but has shown that he is capable of performing at this level, form has been patchy but a good manager should get the best out of him.

- Gomes - Despite recent opinions everyone was in agreement (well, mostly) that we should sign him after a successful loan. Foot falling off can't have helped!

- Gbamin - mightily unlucky on this one, that's all there is to say really. Hopefully he gets to prove himself.

- Kean - Young and raw, needs game time and we can all see it. When an opportunity to sign one of the hottest prospects in European football presents itself you don't turn it down though. Not one to be assessed now, patience is needed.

- Iwobi - This one for me is the one that stands out at the moment. Looks really lost and despite a couple of decent cameos has been the case for much of the season. I'm not one to give up on a player but this is testing. Hard to see what he was brought in for as doesn't seem to have a particular role.

- Delph - Hmmm, a very unpopular signing that really hasn't done much to endear himself to the fans.


So, that's 13 major incomings with only 2 real black marks against them. I think you're being extremely harsh to suggest otherwise, but this is an opinions game after all.

To add context to his role I think we should also take into account the absolute shit show he inherited and the work needed in 'clearing the decks'...

- Rooney
- Robles
- Grant
- Mirallas
- Onyekuru
- Browning
- Funes Mori
- Klaassen
- Galloway
- Hewelt
- Jagielka
- McCarthy
- Vlasic
- Lookman
- Gueye
- Stecklenberg
- Schneiderlin

17 players shifted as actual transfers, another 26 outgoing loans of mostly unwanted players and 4 released players. So that's 47 outgoing deals by my calculations.

I think the enormity of the task he's faced / is facing is sometimes lost on us, and that for the most part, bar one or two blips his dealings have been good. There are still deficiencies in the squad of course, but we are in a far healthier position to build on than when he arrived, as hard as that is to accept when we're watching dross like tonight and against Spurs.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on Brands :)

I think this is the very generous side of the spectrum. Richarlison wasnít his signing for example.

No doubt weíll see the other side of the spectrum from some people in this thread.

For me itís somewhere in between.

He had a massive job and has slowly reduced the wage bill, the average age of the squad and improved its overall quality.

But, he left silva with a thankless task this season and has left the squad extremely unbalanced.

He has to take responsibility for the state the midfield is in.

The warning signs were there with Gomes. A smarter director of football avoids making that signing permanent.

Delph was a horrible piece of business and the type of signing I thought brands would stop when he came in.

Gbamin has been very unlucky but even if he stayed fit, whatís around him isnít good enough.

Last summer the priority was a midfield overhaul and itís not better than it was.

Gomes, Delph and gbamin was that midfield overhaul, whilst £60m was spent on iwobi and kean, two players who donít fit into this squad.

Maybe we will see both of them come good over the years, and itís they are the type of signings we should make, but I feel like they were signed for the sake of it with no thought process on how they would fit into the squad.

I thought he would be a lot smarter in the market tbh. Iíve been disappointed in him and itís a long process but Iím not sure I have faith in him to sort out this mess of a squad.

Iím at the stage of giving Carlo free run in the market and letting brands sort out other sides of the club.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 10, 2020, 01:31:24 PM
Niasse instead of Dembele and Funes Mori over VVD? There have been plenty of wobbles.

Iíll give Brands the benefit of the doubt until next summer but itís going to be another tricky window. Still loads of Koeman/Walsh era dead wood itís virtually impossible to get rid of, and now heís saddled with a newer set of players who were bought for Silvaís system and also look obsolete.

The plan wouldíve been for Brands to hire another manager who plays a similar formation to Silva, so thereís some sort of continuity, but that obviously got blown out the water once someone like Ancelloti become available.

I still think a couple of astute signing can knit it all together, as Fernandes has done at Utd.


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
Niasse instead of Dembele and Funes Mori over VVD? There have been plenty of wobbles.

I'll give Brands the benefit of the doubt until next summer but it's going to be another tricky window. Still loads of Koeman/Walsh era dead wood it's virtually impossible to get rid of, and now he's saddled with a newer set of players who were bought for Silva's system and also look obsolete.

The plan would've been for Brands to hire another manager who plays a similar formation to Silva, so there's some sort of continuity, but that obviously got blown out the water once someone like Ancelloti become available.

I still think a couple of astute signing can knit it all together, as Fernandes has done at Utd.


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Fernandes has knitted man u together but there is absolutely no comparison at all. Their squad is lightyears ahead of ours, they've got 4 strikers that'll all score more than what we have, loaded in midfield with pace and power, we can only dream about having players they have in their team

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 01:54:03 PM
It's not Marcel Brands' job to have players perform well for Everton, that's the manager's job.

It's Marcel Brands' job to identify players based on value, suitability and what they can potentially offer the team. He doesn't play Iwobi out of position every week, he doesn't inflict injury upon injury to Jean Philippe Gbamin. So using the criteria of their performance to judge him is wrong, you need to look at the intentions behind signing a player.

The only player I don't understand us signing is Iwobi, because that was a lot of money for player who hadn't really suggested at Arsenal that he's worth that much, or is going to be worth much more.

Gomes was probably bought with the backing of Silva and knowing that at 24 years old and £22m, with his pedigree, we'd probably at least make our money back if we sold him a few years after anyway.

You can moan about Bernard as much as you want but if we sold him in the summer he'd fetch us a healthy profit.

Whilst there's not much he can do about the dross that were brought in on high wages before he got here and no other club want to touch.

Weíd get zero for Bernard if we sold him in the summer. Maybe slightly less as heíd probably want a little of his inflated wages to leave

Not being funny but if he gets a pass because itís not his job to get them playing well or because the average football fan agreed at the time then heís never going to be accountable for anything.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 10, 2020, 01:55:29 PM
Fernandes has knitted man u together but there is absolutely no comparison at all. Their squad is lightyears ahead of ours, they've got 4 strikers that'll all score more than what we have, loaded in midfield with pace and power, we can only dream about having players they have in their team

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Regardless of their quality, their midfield was genuinely dysfunctional and their forwards werenít getting chances because of it. One player changed that. It can happen.


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ally2 on July 10, 2020, 01:56:24 PM
I don't think that saying stuff like "this is a massive summer for brands" is very helpful. It just builds up expectations, adds pressure and generates hysteria. We all know the squad needs huge changes. More then can be achieved in one summer. Buy all means tow that line but don't come on here later complaining that we've been fleaced again. Good players are generally expensive.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 10, 2020, 01:56:47 PM
We'd get zero for Bernard if we sold him in the summer. Maybe slightly less as he'd probably want a little of his inflated wages to leave

Not being funny but if he gets a pass because it's not his job to get them playing well or because the average football fan agreed at the time then he's never going to be accountable for anything.
Bernard/his agent get a hefty % of any transfer fee as terms of his free transfer.


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 01:59:06 PM
Regardless of their quality, their midfield was genuinely dysfunctional and their forwards werenít getting chances because of it. One player changed that. It can happen.


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Ill chose to go with your thought process as its a lot more palatable than what I think reality is. Fernandes was the finishing touches, the icing on the cake. We've got an egg, a twig, a few stones and a fair amount of dog shit as our ingredients and you can try to put whatever icing you want on top of that but its still gonna look and taste like shit
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 02:03:35 PM
Mate, honestly, can you try and have an honest discussion without flying off the handle with outrageous claims?

Bernard canít get a regular game in our midfield. That says it all. Heís our biggest earner and heís had a handful of good halves in a couple of seasons. Terrible signing even on a free and if we sold him for money then you can add that to the short list of good business brands has done

Your write up is ridiculously biased

Think you say 13 signings with only 2 black marks. Youíve got about 5 on the list who you admit all have been poor but are all wait and sees. A reserve keeper who you canít judge. Really itís 13 signings where we could only make a decent profit on 2 of them (digne and Richarlison)

Heís done no better than Walsh.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 10, 2020, 02:03:47 PM
I think a lot of our fans thought heíd be buying loads of unknown gems from the Dutch and South American Leagues, and theyíre gutted he hasnít. I donít think this league is forgiving enough for that, and that may well be something he realised when he got here. Certainly doesnít seem to have used the little black book of contacts heíd acquired in his previous positions.


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 02:07:31 PM
Good players are generally expensive.

I dont think anyone has a problem with that, the issue is we're paying lots of money in transfer fee and wages for players that arent good
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on July 10, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
Also, I feel that brands doesnít take into account how a player can adapt to the premier league when he signs a player.

Bernard for example. I like Bernard, think heís a great player, but someone like him can not offer more than twenty games a season at a good level. Yet, heís our highest paid player.

Liverpool have built their team through buying players that fit into a system and fit into premier league football.

I donít feel like weíre doing that at all.

Bernard, Gomes, kean, iwobi, Delph. Too many players that canít offer a consistent level of football.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 02:09:53 PM
Ill chose to go with your thought process as its a lot more palatable than what I think reality is. Fernandes was the finishing touches, the icing on the cake. We've got an egg, a twig, a few stones and a fair amount of dog shit as our ingredients and you can try to put whatever icing you want on top of that but its still gonna look and taste like shit


Delph iwobi Gomes Bernard. We could make an entire shit butty out of ingredients he bought. His best midfield signing is the 1 whoís never fit
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 02:12:04 PM

Delph iwobi Gomes Bernard. We could make an entire shit butty out of ingredients he bought. His best midfield signing is the 1 whoís never fit

And this is really harsh as he only played 2 games, but Gbamin looked so far off the pace it was unreal in those games im not even sure hes anygood.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 10, 2020, 02:19:03 PM
Jamo what have you done.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
And this is really harsh as he only played 2 games, but Gbamin looked so far off the pace it was unreal in those games im not even sure hes anygood.

Iíve no problem with him being a wait and see and brands getting a pass on him because heís never been fit but the suggestion he would have fixed our midfield is a bit outlandish. Gueye made it work  because his defensive numbers were amongst the best in the world. Itís extremely unlikely heíd have been doing what gueye was even if heíd stayed fit. Near impossible to replace gueye so instead we needed to move away from Gomes is favour of a more balanced player
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on July 10, 2020, 02:39:16 PM
And in the appraisal above I acknowledge that Iwobi is thus far a bad buy.

As for Kean I thought people would start to realise that young players take time to mature and develop. It's almost as if the Holgate and DCL transitions haven't happened. 

True. But both of them cost 2mil each. I donít think we are in the position as a club to sit on 30mil hoping it turns good in a few years
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 10, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
When someone blames Brands for not shifting 2 of his predecessors shit signings who were on long contracts with ridiculous wages, but only able to loan these out with the clubs paying part of their salary is when I know this person knows fuck all about how it works!!! You have 2 players earning salaries they never should have been given and will not get near at a new club. These players have to agree to being sold, Brands cannot make them leave if they put salary above playing time. Yes he can pay them off but then it is basically paying their contract off or loan them out and a club pays a part of that stupid wage they earn, which makes more sense do you think economically??

Yes he bought Gomes, but at the time everybody wanted us to sign him let's not forget that, also he got him for less than was first expected. He is also concentrated on the youth set up to generate future players or profit. He sees there's no point in having youth teams with players not going to make it, which is why so many getting released. Concentrate on players who have a chance. We only see part of what he does, he does things behind the scenes you will never hear of unless someone tells the story later on. He is respected every where he goes.

Yes he signed Iwobi, but he is not the lone person making signings, don't forget we have an owner who is known to interfere with signings and a manager who also has a say. Kean was a massive talent and there was massive hype about him signing, he doesn't seem to be handling the change of country and club well, but he still is a massive talent. The players also say he does unbelievable things in training, I would assess him next season, and with the combination of Brands and Ancelotti I am confident the hard decision will be made.

Don't base Brands on a couple of bad signings in your eyes as he does a shitload more and inherited a mess and has almost cleared that up. Give the man some respect it was a tough job to start with and he has done well. You don't give such a person a place on the board otherwise!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 02:51:01 PM
When someone blames Brands for not shifting 2 of his predecessors shit signings who were on long contracts with ridiculous wages, but only able to loan these out with the clubs paying part of their salary is when I know this person knows fuck all about how it works!!! You have 2 players earning salaries they never should have been given and will not get near at a new club. These players have to agree to being sold, Brands cannot make them leave if they put salary above playing time. Yes he can pay them off but then it is basically paying their contract off or loan them out and a club pays a part of that stupid wage they earn, which makes more sense do you think economically??

Yes he bought Gomes, but at the time everybody wanted us to sign him let's not forget that, also he got him for less than was first expected. He is also concentrated on the youth set up to generate future players or profit. He sees there's no point in having youth teams with players not going to make it, which is why so many getting released. Concentrate on players who have a chance. We only see part of what he does, he does things behind the scenes you will never hear of unless someone tells the story later on. He is respected every where he goes.

Yes he signed Iwobi, but he is not the lone person making signings, don't forget we have an owner who is known to interfere with signings and a manager who also has a say. Kean was a massive talent and there was massive hype about him signing, he doesn't seem to be handling the change of country and club well, but he still is a massive talent. The players also say he does unbelievable things in training, I would assess him next season, and with the combination of Brands and Ancelotti I am confident the hard decision will be made.

Don't base Brands on a couple of bad signings in your eyes as he does a shitload more and inherited a mess and has almost cleared that up. Give the man some respect it was a tough job to start with and he has done well. You don't give such a person a place on the board otherwise!


If you mean me Iím not blaming him. Iím just giving him no credit either for short term loans that still cost us big money

I saw numerous posts when the likes of bolasie were loaned out proclaiming brands a miracle worker and itís nonsense
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 02:56:15 PM
I think similar to @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) I'm in the middle.

Walsh and Koeman set the club back years. They really, really did. Nothing we've done since comes close to the profligacy of those two at such an important point.

Hiring brands was for me, one of the few smart things the club has done. And it is a long term project to make Everton a modern, sustainable, well run club challenging at the top end of the table.

That said however, most of my criticisms lie in how much we are actually letting brands do his work. How much influence have the different managers had in signings? How much influence have the various board members had? Who sets the overall strategy, and who signs what off?

The same strategy that targets zaha is not the same strategy that signs iwobi unless you are blind or there are two different people driving the train.

Silva hired before he was in the door. Silva got to pick signings. Silva got to pick his mate as assistant manager.

The next manager, as happy as I am with him, was chosen by the owner and pursued by the owner. We talk about building a team with an identity, but we hire a top top coach with no identity or previous in side building. Have we hired the world's most expensive interim coach?

Have we embraced data yet? I know it's a bit of an eye roll on here but the shite have shown what buying in to a certain level of data modeling can do for the club. They have the best data lead research team in the country and are directly showing the fruits of that. We hired a new scout.

None of this is smart. None of this fits.

On his performance in the market I personally think his first task was to clear decks as much as possible as we had a massively bloated squad of non assets. He's done this well.

I think his next task was to get us more competitive. He's tended towards players from bigger clubs who've won trophies but are at low points due to age or form. It's fairly risk averse, including players like Gomes who don't profile like 20+m singings that the side *needs* but a decent player who the fans liked and the manager liked and it was an easy win.

I said the other day signing good attackers without a team around them doesn't really improve the side, just helps you sell attackers. That's what we look like at the minute. Is that because of short sightedness from brands himself, or pure bad luck in Gbamins injuries I don't know.

As much as we can say he's failed so far, and he has, return on outlay has been terrible - I do think you drop a midfield into this side and it is transformed within a few games. We're absolutely garbage and were a few points off Europe. The league helps us here by being full of shite.

I think this summer will be the decider for me. If we get more bids for zaha, bids for ancelottis previous players, things like that, then I'll concede that he's a waste of money and isn't driving the train anyway, so as a member of the board he may have to sack himself.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 02:57:38 PM
I suppose we'll see in a few months whether people generally think hes doing a good job or not as his contract expires in under a year. I would've thought there would already be an offer on the table if they thought he was doing a good job but could be wrong?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on July 10, 2020, 02:58:35 PM
Given the severity of the task he came into, I don't think its fair to judge him completely so far and will be something that we can only look back on after 5 years or so, but by then it could be too late.

There's just no real imagination in the signings.  No rabbits out of the hat.  And with Carlo in charge you'd think he's going to want a level of established player to come in which will make this even less likely going forward?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on July 10, 2020, 03:23:56 PM
His signings have left something to desire, for sure. Iíd only really call Richy and Digne a hit, with JPG still up in the air and Kean still has potential.

I will say he must of had some hand to play in bringing Carlo in, which really is an astonishing achievement from the club.

Iím inclined to give him more time and see what he can achieve this coming season with some input from Carlo.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on July 10, 2020, 03:29:23 PM
I think similar to @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) I'm in the middle.

Walsh and Koeman set the club back years. They really, really did. Nothing we've done since comes close to the profligacy of those two at such an important point.

Hiring brands was for me, one of the few smart things the club has done. And it is a long term project to make Everton a modern, sustainable, well run club challenging at the top end of the table.

That said however, most of my criticisms lie in how much we are actually letting brands do his work. How much influence have the different managers had in signings? How much influence have the various board members had? Who sets the overall strategy, and who signs what off?

The same strategy that targets zaha is not the same strategy that signs iwobi unless you are blind or there are two different people driving the train.

Silva hired before he was in the door. Silva got to pick signings. Silva got to pick his mate as assistant manager.

The next manager, as happy as I am with him, was chosen by the owner and pursued by the owner. We talk about building a team with an identity, but we hire a top top coach with no identity or previous in side building. Have we hired the world's most expensive interim coach?

Have we embraced data yet? I know it's a bit of an eye roll on here but the shite have shown what buying in to a certain level of data modeling can do for the club. They have the best data lead research team in the country and are directly showing the fruits of that. We hired a new scout.

None of this is smart. None of this fits.

On his performance in the market I personally think his first task was to clear decks as much as possible as we had a massively bloated squad of non assets. He's done this well.

I think his next task was to get us more competitive. He's tended towards players from bigger clubs who've won trophies but are at low points due to age or form. It's fairly risk averse, including players like Gomes who don't profile like 20+m singings that the side *needs* but a decent player who the fans liked and the manager liked and it was an easy win.

I said the other day signing good attackers without a team around them doesn't really improve the side, just helps you sell attackers. That's what we look like at the minute. Is that because of short sightedness from brands himself, or pure bad luck in Gbamins injuries I don't know.

As much as we can say he's failed so far, and he has, return on outlay has been terrible - I do think you drop a midfield into this side and it is transformed within a few games. We're absolutely garbage and were a few points off Europe. The league helps us here by being full of shite.

I think this summer will be the decider for me. If we get more bids for zaha, bids for ancelottis previous players, things like that, then I'll concede that he's a waste of money and isn't driving the train anyway, so as a member of the board he may have to sack himself.

Great post
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 10, 2020, 03:52:01 PM
I think this is the very generous side of the spectrum. Richarlison wasnít his signing for example.

Without diving to deep into your reply... (I'll do so later) this line that keeps getting peddled is simply untrue. A director of football works with the manager to target and acquire signings that the both deem will work in a system and plan they're building. He's as much a Brands signing as a Silva one.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on July 10, 2020, 03:59:33 PM
Without diving to deep into your reply... (I'll do so later) this line that keeps getting peddled is simply untrue. A director of football works with the manager to target and acquire signings that the both deem will work in a system and plan they're building. He's as much a Brands signing as a Silva one.

Itís a silva signing.

Brands just signed it off.

But he was signed by brands so you can give him credit for him I suppose, but for me youíre being generous crediting him with that signing.

Just like Zaha had nothing to do with brands. Sometimes managers will be behind a player we buy and brands will just sign it off.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 10, 2020, 04:02:52 PM
Bernard canít get a regular game in our midfield. That says it all. Heís our biggest earner and heís had a handful of good halves in a couple of seasons. Terrible signing even on a free and if we sold him for money then you can add that to the short list of good business brands has done

Your write up is ridiculously biased

Think you say 13 signings with only 2 black marks. Youíve got about 5 on the list who you admit all have been poor but are all wait and sees. A reserve keeper who you canít judge. Really itís 13 signings where we could only make a decent profit on 2 of them (digne and Richarlison)

Heís done no better than Walsh.

I personally think you're way off the mark with Bernard. He's woefully out of form at the moment for sure, and as ever with your assessments of players you're incapable of seeing the wider picture and are always focused on 3 or 4 games. Players are "vile shite" as soon as they have a few bad games.

There aren't 5 on the list that I consider poor, there are 2. Then there are 2 loans who have served a purpose and a couple of keepers, one being a prospect and the other being a squad filler... all teams make these purchases. They won't set the world alight but they are necessities.

Whether we make a profit on a player or not is not the barometer of his success, either.

And if you can't see that (a fully fit squad) is far more balanced than what Walsh had then you're mad.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 10, 2020, 04:06:28 PM
Jamo what have you done.

lolol I make no apologies.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 10, 2020, 04:08:35 PM
True. But both of them cost 2mil each. I donít think we are in the position as a club to sit on 30mil hoping it turns good in a few years

There's a bit more to developing players than "hope".
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 10, 2020, 04:22:10 PM
Itís a silva signing.

Brands just signed it off.

But he was signed by brands so you can give him credit for him I suppose, but for me youíre being generous crediting him with that signing.

Just like Zaha had nothing to do with brands. Sometimes managers will be behind a player we buy and brands will just sign it off.

Who do you reckon sat down and hammered out the deal?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 04:29:38 PM
I personally think you're way off the mark with Bernard. He's woefully out of form at the moment for sure, and as ever with your assessments of players you're incapable of seeing the wider picture and are always focused on 3 or 4 games. Players are "vile shite" as soon as they have a few bad games.

There aren't 5 on the list that I consider poor, there are 2. Then there are 2 loans who have served a purpose and a couple of keepers, one being a prospect and the other being a squad filler... all teams make these purchases. They won't set the world alight but they are necessities.

Whether we make a profit on a player or not is not the barometer of his success, either.

And if you can't see that (a fully fit squad) is far more balanced than what Walsh had then you're mad.

Bernard has never been in form. We have a odd habit of rating elegant players like Gomes and Bernard on their absolute best moments rather than their overall performances

He hasnít ever scored or created enough but beyond that heís never fit and when he is we really are lucky if he has a couple of good halves over a 4 or 5 game period. He was great against Newcastle but them games are extremely rare. Our midfield is terrible and he canít get a regular place in it. If Iím wrong about him then so is ancelotti

The thing is you start with 13 and only 2 bad signings but youíve got half the list for various reasons are ďfree hitsĒ so really being fair it then becomes two bad out of 6.

Richarlison was a great signing. Digne good (brilliant last season good this) and I like Mina but I think he was 40m so heís no more than okay

I donít think anyone could argue any of the others have been a real success. Iím not even saying I want rid of brands but to look at his signings so far and say heís done well is staggering. Everyone else apart from the 3 have underperformed by some margin. Heís signed 4 or 5 midfielders some for relatively big money most on massive wages and our midfield is a steaming pile of shite. Not only individually but as a unit.
Now Iíve some sympathy because our defensive midfielder hasnít played at all but Iím not sure any of the others can play without a world class player like gueye. If thatís the case then they are all no use to us anyway
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
Think we have to give brands credit for Richarlison because weíd have blamed him if heíd let silva spend 40m on a flop.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2020, 04:50:04 PM
Bernard has never been in form. We have a odd habit of rating elegant players like Gomes and Bernard on their absolute best moments rather than their overall performances

He hasnít ever scored or created enough but beyond that heís never fit and when he is we really are lucky if he has a couple of good halves over a 4 or 5 game period. He was great against Newcastle but them games are extremely rare. Our midfield is terrible and he canít get a regular place in it. If Iím wrong about him then so is ancelotti

The thing is you start with 13 and only 2 bad signings but youíve got half the list for various reasons are ďfree hitsĒ so really being fair it then becomes two bad out of 6.

Richarlison was a great signing. Digne good (brilliant last season good this) and I like Mina but I think he was 40m so heís no more than okay

I donít think anyone could argue any of the others have been a real success. Iím not even saying I want rid of brands but to look at his signings so far and say heís done well is staggering. Everyone else apart from the 3 have underperformed by some margin. Heís signed 4 or 5 midfielders some for relatively big money most on massive wages and our midfield is a steaming pile of shite. Not only individually but as a unit.
Now Iíve some sympathy because our defensive midfielder hasnít played at all but Iím not sure any of the others can play without a world class player like gueye. If thatís the case then they are all no use to us anyway

Spot on.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 10, 2020, 04:56:03 PM
I donít think our squad is nearly as bad as some think we need serious midfield work but we are not bad everywhere else we have a top manager 2/3 good players in key midfield or wide areas will make us much better brands has to prove himself now
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 05:04:44 PM
I donít think our squad is nearly as bad as some think we need serious midfield work but we are not bad everywhere else we have a top manager 2/3 good players in key midfield or wide areas will make us much better brands has to prove himself now

Might very well be true but brands didnít sign our keeper, our right back, 2 of our 3 centre half options or 1 of the 2 who play upfront. He did sign a lot of midfielders though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 05:06:48 PM
16/17

In:
Bolasie £26
Schneiderlin £20
Williams £12
Lookman £7.9
Gueye £7.6
DCL £1.6

Out:
Stones £50
Gibson £2.25
Oviedo £1.8
Piennar £0
Howard £0

17/18

In:
Sigurdsson £44
Keane £25
Pickford £25
Klaassen £24
Walcott £20
Cenk £20
Vlasic £9.75
Onyekuru £7
Sandro £5
Rooney £0

Out:
Lukaku £76
Barkley £15
Geri £10
Lennon £1.5
Mcgeady £0
Mcaleny £0
Leandro £0
Kone £0

18/19

In:
Richarlison £35
Mina £27
Digne £18
Bernard £0

Out:
Klaassen £12
Funes Mori £8
Browning £4
Robles £0
Grant £0
Rooney £0


19/20

In:
Iwobi £27
Kean £24
Gomes £22
Gbamin £22
Delph £8.5
Lossl £0

Out:
Gueye £27
Lookman £16
Vlasic £14
Onyekuru £12
McCarthy £2.9
Jags £0
Mirallas £0
Galloway £0
Hewelt £0

20/21

In:

Niels Nkounkou £0

Out:

Schneiderlin £2
Stek £0
Martina £0
Garbutt £0
Niasse £0
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 05:12:23 PM
16/17

Bolasie £26
Schneiderlin £20
Williams £20
Lookman £7.9
Gueye £7.6
DCL £1.6


17/18

Sigurdsson £44
Keane £25
Pickford £25
Klaassen £24
Walcott £20
Cenk £20
Vlasic £9.75
Onyekuru £7
Sandro £5
Rooney £0

18/19

Richarlison £35
Mina £27
Digne £18
Bernard £0

19/20

Iwobi £27
Kean £24
Gomes £22
Gbamin £22
Delph £8.5
Lossl £0


18-19 was quite good. Then 16-17. The other 2 tests were pretty shitty

Was mine only 27m? Had it in my head he was a lot more
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on July 10, 2020, 05:15:00 PM
There's a bit more to developing players than "hope".

Obviously. Whichever way you look at it though. Making an investment on a young player who is not yet ready is a gamble of some sorts. We are so far away from being in a place where we can sit On a 30 million investment for x years. We shouldnít be spending more than 5mil on a player who isnít ready for the prem as our actual playing squad is so poor. Funds should be utilised in making our team functional
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2020, 05:21:04 PM
I donít think our squad is nearly as bad as some think we need serious midfield work but we are not bad everywhere else we have a top manager 2/3 good players in key midfield or wide areas will make us much better brands has to prove himself now

Since Ancelotti has come in the squad has got top6/7 level points per game.

Even in this spell weíre on 8/5 which is 61 pts across a season.

The midfield is dysfunctional but has no balance in either a DM available or a proper RW.

Defence has been solid and attackers have snuffled goals from the scraps fed.

The season as a whole has been turbulent anyway so not exactly the best conditions to judge new players who have arrived last summer.

And if your task involves sorting out the mess of the previous regime (and many of those players are still under contract) youíre unlikely to start making big inroads in a positive sense until theyíre not affecting your resources in such a disadvantageous way.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 05:24:28 PM
Obviously. Whichever way you look at it though. Making an investment on a young player who is not yet ready is a gamble of some sorts. We are so far away from being in a place where we can sit On a 30 million investment for x years. We shouldnít be spending more than 5mil on a player who isnít ready for the prem as our actual playing squad is so poor. Funds should be utilised in making our team functional

Seems like a very good way to stay where we are forever.

There's a balance to be struck. Cutting off supply is not how you find that balance.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Up The Toffees on July 10, 2020, 05:29:23 PM
I kept reading in the echo and on here how good he was, how we'll sign all these kind of top prospects and he's basically the best thing to happen to us.

He looks the part,  speaks well in his interviews but when you get down to what he's actually done so far it's a little disappointing in my opinion.

I'm not writing him off or even want him gone. Everyone's said about how poor our midfield is but for me another big problem is upfront.  DCL has had a very good season for us but going into a league season relying on him and Kean to score the goals was a big worry.  People keep saying Kean has potential, I've just not seen it.  Even if he has we still needed another option, maybe someone with a little experience.

This summer is a massive one for Brands and for our club.  Get it right and we can start to look forward but get it wrong like previous years and I'd start to worry big time.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 05:29:40 PM
Seems like a very good way to stay where we are forever.

There's a balance to be struck. Cutting off supply is not how you find that balance.

Agree but if we are spending 30m on a player who canít make much of a contribution now then we have to be very confident heís going to be amazing some day. Personally I think it seems more likely that weíll take a loss of kean in the short term than he making big contributions for us long term. Heís a young lad whoís getting no minutes in a foreign country. Be a bit surprised if he wasnít thinking about going back to Italy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on July 10, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
16/17

Bolasie £26
Schneiderlin £20
Williams £20
Lookman £7.9
Gueye £7.6
DCL £1.6


17/18

Sigurdsson £44
Keane £25
Pickford £25
Klaassen £24
Walcott £20
Cenk £20
Vlasic £9.75
Onyekuru £7
Sandro £5
Rooney £0

18/19

Richarlison £35
Mina £27
Digne £18
Bernard £0

19/20

Iwobi £27
Kean £24
Gomes £22
Gbamin £22
Delph £8.5
Lossl £0


Certain Williams was £12 not £20.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on July 10, 2020, 05:36:08 PM
Seems like a very good way to stay where we are forever.

There's a balance to be struck. Cutting off supply is not how you find that balance.

Like you say finding a balance is right. The mega rich clubs donít even invest these sums in people who arent prem ready. We simply canít keep spending and losing because of ffp.

Nevermind staying where we are forever, if we continue to operate in this manner we will continue going backwards 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 05:36:58 PM
Certain Williams was £12 not £20.

He was. I checked. That year oddly wasnít a bad 1. Doubled our money on lookman. Signed a world class gueye for pennies and DCL for next to nowt. Even with the bad signings weíd be in an amazing position now with that strike rate
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 05:42:51 PM
He was. I checked. That year oddly wasnít a bad 1. Doubled our money on lookman. Signed a world class gueye for pennies and DCL for next to nowt. Even with the bad signings weíd be in an amazing position now with that strike rate

His bargains were good.

With money he was bad.

He ruined that hit rate immediately by spending 20+ on bolassie, Walcott, Schneiderlin, cenk Sigurdsson.

We basically sold our entire forward line, and our defence retired or was sold, in its place since then we've only really signed Richarlison, Digne and Gueye who have been out the park hits.

Had Walsh stayed we'd have been ruined, as he was unwilling or unable to overrule managers or owners, whoever was drink driving.

Remains to be seen if brands can and will.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2020, 05:55:00 PM
Also Brands has been brought in to sort out the academy too.

Seemingly thatís starting to happen

But this was not and is not just a ďsign some boss players that no one has heard ofĒ job.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 05:56:23 PM
His bargains were good.

With money he was bad.

He ruined that hit rate immediately by spending 20+ on bolassie, Walcott, Schneiderlin, cenk Sigurdsson.

We basically sold our entire forward line, and our defence retired or was sold, in its place since then we've only really signed Richarlison, Digne and Gueye who have been out the park hits.

Had Walsh stayed we'd have been ruined, as he was unwilling or unable to overrule managers or owners, whoever was drink driving.

Remains to be seen if brands can and will.

Totally agree that Walshís biggest issue was he was weak. We made some dreadful signings on big money. Iím not sure weíve really done much better since though. Younger yes but in the main players that have failed elsewhere and look to at best have the potential to be good not great.

Reality is both Walsh and brands have pissed an awful lot of money away. I do think to a point Walsh wasnít ever allowed to take control due to koeman and Moshiri. Itís a fault of his but also a defence in terms of responsibility for much of the shit that came in

Itís not just signings though. Are we ever going to fix the u23 set up? We seem to want to win while everyone else wants to develop players

Donít want brands gone but another poor season and I will. Iím not massively confident in his ability but then Iím not massively confident in anyone at the clubs ability to replace him with someone good

Brands Walsh allardyce koeman Martinez silva. Itís all fucking shit. Weíve wasted years. Hundreds of millions and its still going up because of the contracts the players are on. Christ we are probably still paying all 4 managers and both dof. Itís really quite sad how we threw away another chance
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2020, 05:57:03 PM
Also Brands has been brought in to sort out the academy too.

Seemingly thatís starting to happen

But this was not and is not just a ďsign some boss players that no one has heard ofĒ job.

Is it starting to happen? We keep hearing it but so far nothing has changed. Iíd like to see us get rid of Unsworth for a start
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 05:57:09 PM
Also Brands has been brought in to sort out the academy too.

Seemingly thatís starting to happen

But this was not and is not just a ďsign some boss players that no one has heard ofĒ job.

My ignorance about the academy so not having a go just a question but where have you seen this, I think its the right approach just not really aware of what hes done/doing?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 06:04:48 PM

He ruined that hit rate immediately by spending 20+ on bolassie, Walcott, Schneiderlin, cenk Sigurdsson.


Bolassie whilst we paid far too much looked decent before his injury. Walcott I still think wasn't a bad deal, hes had injury problems but we look much better with him in the team and if he can stay fit will be an asset on the right. Cenk was expensive but you pay more for strikers, was he all that bad when you consider the likes of Joeliton cost circa £40 million?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 06:08:02 PM
Bolassie whilst we paid far too much looked decent before his injury. Walcott I still think wasn't a bad deal, hes had injury problems but we look much better with him in the team and if he can stay fit will be an asset on the right. Cenk was expensive but you pay more for strikers, was he all that bad when you consider the likes of Joeliton cost circa £40 million?

Again though, if you are at all interested in data as a football club, you don't sign any of those players. You just don't go near them.

If you sign joelinton, you don't sign him to play like Andy Carrol.

All awful, awful signings.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2020, 06:14:58 PM
My ignorance about the academy so not having a go just a question but where have you seen this, I think its the right approach just not really aware of what hes done/doing?

Only from stories (the fella from Derby IIRC) re new people coming again.

Although again from stories part of the reason why it hasnít sooner is due to othersí decisions rather than Brandsí

As @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) has hinted at, I think thereís a chance that Brands will get fed up of not having the overall control heís used to/ will have anticipated and not staying beyond next season; rather than us not being happy with signings.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on July 10, 2020, 06:36:03 PM
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17/18

In:
Sigurdsson £44
Keane £25
Pickford £25
Klaassen £24
Walcott £20
Cenk £20
Vlasic £9.75
Onyekuru £7
Sandro £5
Rooney £0

Out:
Lukaku £76
Barkley £15
Geri £10
Lennon £1.5
Mcgeady £0
Mcaleny £0
Leandro £0
Kone £0

Why the fuck did we let Allardyce spend £40m when everyone knew he was only there for 6 months?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 10, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Is it starting to happen? We keep hearing it but so far nothing has changed. Iíd like to see us get rid of Unsworth for a start
There is a story that Brands wants him out but he is protected by 2 people! Anyone remember this or have links?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
Only from stories (the fella from Derby IIRC) re new people coming again.

Although again from stories part of the reason why it hasn’t sooner is due to others’ decisions rather than Brands’

As @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) has hinted at, I think there’s a chance that Brands will get fed up of not having the overall control he’s used to/ will have anticipated and not staying beyond next season; rather than us not being happy with signings.

My understanding is that certain board members had been protecting senior members of the academy and u23 staff from brands reach.

Since then, brands has been promoted to the board and seen one of those senior members of staff leave and be replaced with a Brands hire, while the other has seemingly accepted a role with less limelight, possibly with a view to leaving soon.

We're seeing academy products loaned or sold, with select contracts handed out. As @Bob Sacamano (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=47) put elegantly the other day, the whole age average of the U23 is coming down, and those not good enough have left.

The pipeline seems clearer, with plans in place publically for Adeniran, Markelo, Gibson and Nkounkou.

He has walked into a crumbling mansion, and the U23 might as well be the equivalent to the garden in disrepair. It's vital to Everton being a finished product but he had to sort out the rest of the gaff first. He is getting there, how far he will be allowed to get we'll see this summer I think.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 10, 2020, 07:35:36 PM
And this is really harsh as he only played 2 games, but Gbamin looked so far off the pace it was unreal in those games im not even sure hes anygood.

Try to remember that Gbamin got literally 5 days of pre-season to get used to the Prem, and specifically told Silva he didn't feel fit/ready.

When someone blames Brands for not shifting 2 of his predecessors shit signings who were on long contracts with ridiculous wages, but only able to loan these out with the clubs paying part of their salary is when I know this person knows fuck all about how it works!!! You have 2 players earning salaries they never should have been given and will not get near at a new club. These players have to agree to being sold, Brands cannot make them leave if they put salary above playing time. Yes he can pay them off but then it is basically paying their contract off or loan them out and a club pays a part of that stupid wage they earn, which makes more sense do you think economically??

Yes he bought Gomes, but at the time everybody wanted us to sign him let's not forget that, also he got him for less than was first expected. He is also concentrated on the youth set up to generate future players or profit. He sees there's no point in having youth teams with players not going to make it, which is why so many getting released. Concentrate on players who have a chance. We only see part of what he does, he does things behind the scenes you will never hear of unless someone tells the story later on. He is respected every where he goes.

Yes he signed Iwobi, but he is not the lone person making signings, don't forget we have an owner who is known to interfere with signings and a manager who also has a say. Kean was a massive talent and there was massive hype about him signing, he doesn't seem to be handling the change of country and club well, but he still is a massive talent. The players also say he does unbelievable things in training, I would assess him next season, and with the combination of Brands and Ancelotti I am confident the hard decision will be made.

Don't base Brands on a couple of bad signings in your eyes as he does a shitload more and inherited a mess and has almost cleared that up. Give the man some respect it was a tough job to start with and he has done well. You don't give such a person a place on the board otherwise!

Best response/summation of the task he's been faced with I've read.

I suppose we'll see in a few months whether people generally think hes doing a good job or not as his contract expires in under a year. I would've thought there would already be an offer on the table if they thought he was doing a good job but could be wrong?

I thought he got a 4-year deal, no? Or did he get the same 3-years that Silva did?

16/17

In:
Bolasie £26
Schneiderlin £20
Williams £12
Lookman £7.9
Gueye £7.6
DCL £1.6

Out:
Stones £50
Gibson £2.25
Oviedo £1.8
Piennar £0
Howard £0

17/18

In:
Sigurdsson £44
Keane £25
Pickford £25
Klaassen £24
Walcott £20
Cenk £20
Vlasic £9.75
Onyekuru £7
Sandro £5
Rooney £0

Out:
Lukaku £76
Barkley £15
Geri £10
Lennon £1.5
Mcgeady £0
Mcaleny £0
Leandro £0
Kone £0

Jesus those in's are grim (but we all knew that).

I've been tempted to join the growing chorus of "get it right this summer or be gone," but I kind of still feel the build has been reset once again with Carlo joining mid-season. Whether he gets it or not remains to be seen, but Brands now needs another 3-4 windows to do so. So much wages will be gone by July 1 2020 it would be completely unfair to expect magic to happen before then, IMO of course.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 07:42:16 PM

I thought he got a 4-year deal, no? Or did he get the same 3-years that Silva did?


https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/marcel-brands-everton-contract-ends-18492964

Was based on this, could be wrong? And said I was being harsh on Gbamin
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 10, 2020, 07:45:05 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/marcel-brands-everton-contract-ends-18492964

Was based on this, could be wrong? And said I was being harsh on Gbamin

No I'm sure the Echo/you are right. Trying to remember the summer of 2018 is like trying to remember the day I was born lol

Given this, it would seem Everton/Moshiri himself is in the "get it right this summer or be gone" camp, and is probably waiting on that before making any decision on a new/extended contract.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2020, 07:52:15 PM
My understanding is that certain board members had been protecting senior members of the academy and u23 staff from brands reach.

Since then, brands has been promoted to the board and seen one of those senior members of staff leave and be replaced with a Brands hire, while the other has seemingly accepted a role with less limelight, possibly with a view to leaving soon.

We're seeing academy products loaned or sold, with select contracts handed out. As @Bob Sacamano (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=47) put elegantly the other day, the whole age average of the U23 is coming down, and those not good enough have left.

The pipeline seems clearer, with plans in place publically for Adeniran, Markelo, Gibson and Nkounkou.

He has walked into a crumbling mansion, and the U23 might as well be the equivalent to the garden in disrepair. It's vital to Everton being a finished product but he had to sort out the rest of the gaff first. He is getting there, how far he will be allowed to get we'll see this summer I think.

The academy is the most important thing to get right over the next 18m.

To an extent with Ancelotti youíd expect any half decent signings of the profile to fill the gaps in the squad (DM, RW) will do ok based on evidence of current squad.

Players come and go, drift in and out of form etc. A stable tactical approach and decent confidence will be enough to get by in many cases.

The foundations of a good youth set up should last a lot longer and provide greater stability
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 08:09:51 PM
The academy is the most important thing to get right over the next 18m.

To an extent with Ancelotti youíd expect any half decent signings of the profile to fill the gaps in the squad (DM, RW) will do ok based on evidence of current squad.

Players come and go, drift in and out of form etc. A stable tactical approach and decent confidence will be enough to get by in many cases.

The foundations of a good youth set up should last a lot longer and provide greater stability

My analogy a bit wonky but I 100% agree.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 10, 2020, 08:14:09 PM
The academy is the most important thing to get right over the next 18m.

To an extent with Ancelotti youíd expect any half decent signings of the profile to fill the gaps in the squad (DM, RW) will do ok based on evidence of current squad.

Players come and go, drift in and out of form etc. A stable tactical approach and decent confidence will be enough to get by in many cases.

The foundations of a good youth set up should last a lot longer and provide greater stability

Problem is overhauling an academy system takes a lot longer than 18 mos. because of what's already in place, both in terms of young signings, coaching staff, system, etc.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on July 10, 2020, 08:37:55 PM
Brands really needs to make a couple of signings that elevate this team, not ones where we go "if only they had better players around them", we need the THE better players in for next season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2020, 08:39:35 PM
Problem is overhauling an academy system takes a lot longer than 18 mos. because of what's already in place, both in terms of young signings, coaching staff, system, etc.

Yes donít mean for it to start bearing fruit (using @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) analogy) in 18m.

More that if the structure is in place
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 10, 2020, 09:11:41 PM
we can only dream about having players they have in their team

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 10, 2020, 09:12:51 PM
I think similar to @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) I'm in the middle.

Walsh and Koeman set the club back years. They really, really did. Nothing we've done since comes close to the profligacy of those two at such an important point.

Hiring brands was for me, one of the few smart things the club has done. And it is a long term project to make Everton a modern, sustainable, well run club challenging at the top end of the table.

That said however, most of my criticisms lie in how much we are actually letting brands do his work. How much influence have the different managers had in signings? How much influence have the various board members had? Who sets the overall strategy, and who signs what off?

The same strategy that targets zaha is not the same strategy that signs iwobi unless you are blind or there are two different people driving the train.

Silva hired before he was in the door. Silva got to pick signings. Silva got to pick his mate as assistant manager.

The next manager, as happy as I am with him, was chosen by the owner and pursued by the owner. We talk about building a team with an identity, but we hire a top top coach with no identity or previous in side building. Have we hired the world's most expensive interim coach?

Have we embraced data yet? I know it's a bit of an eye roll on here but the shite have shown what buying in to a certain level of data modeling can do for the club. They have the best data lead research team in the country and are directly showing the fruits of that. We hired a new scout.

None of this is smart. None of this fits.

On his performance in the market I personally think his first task was to clear decks as much as possible as we had a massively bloated squad of non assets. He's done this well.

I think his next task was to get us more competitive. He's tended towards players from bigger clubs who've won trophies but are at low points due to age or form. It's fairly risk averse, including players like Gomes who don't profile like 20+m singings that the side *needs* but a decent player who the fans liked and the manager liked and it was an easy win.

I said the other day signing good attackers without a team around them doesn't really improve the side, just helps you sell attackers. That's what we look like at the minute. Is that because of short sightedness from brands himself, or pure bad luck in Gbamins injuries I don't know.

As much as we can say he's failed so far, and he has, return on outlay has been terrible - I do think you drop a midfield into this side and it is transformed within a few games. We're absolutely garbage and were a few points off Europe. The league helps us here by being full of shite.

I think this summer will be the decider for me. If we get more bids for zaha, bids for ancelottis previous players, things like that, then I'll concede that he's a waste of money and isn't driving the train anyway, so as a member of the board he may have to sack himself.

This is excellent
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 09:19:58 PM
I think others have alluded too the thing that I was excited about with Brands was the development and recruitment outside of what we were used to, up and coming youth players with hunger and desire from around the world. Realistically what we've had are safe lazy buys that anyone could've made. Whilst some of the players have been good and ohers bad I dont think there is one where Ive thought 'wow we got a good deal there' most of the players we've got are down to the fact we've paid through the nose for players other teams essentially didn't want
There was the talk of the 2 young Argentinians and Reiner which is more of what I was expecting but nothing has come off, is this down to Brands or the limitations of permit rules in England, or were my expectation wrong, I'm not sure?
I'm also intrigued how much is he is guided/directed by Raiola, that's the only reason we got Kean for example, was he what we needed at the time, absolutely not yet we did it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 10, 2020, 09:24:18 PM
Since Ancelotti has come in the squad has got top6/7 level points per game.

Even in this spell we're on 8/5 which is 61 pts across a season.

The midfield is dysfunctional but has no balance in either a DM available or a proper RW.

Defence has been solid and attackers have snuffled goals from the scraps fed.

The season as a whole has been turbulent anyway so not exactly the best conditions to judge new players who have arrived last summer.

And if your task involves sorting out the mess of the previous regime (and many of those players are still under contract) you're unlikely to start making big inroads in a positive sense until they're not affecting your resources in such a disadvantageous way.
Good post a creative midfielder and an engine plus I would love an actual left footed winger we would be in a good place next season
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 10, 2020, 10:00:24 PM
I think others have alluded too the thing that I was excited about with Brands was the development and recruitment outside of what we were used to, up and coming youth players with hunger and desire from around the world. Realistically what we've had are safe lazy buys that anyone could've made. Whilst some of the players have been good and ohers bad I dont think there is one where Ive thought 'wow we got a good deal there' most of the players we've got are down to the fact we've paid through the nose for players other teams essentially didn't want
There was the talk of the 2 young Argentinians and Reiner which is more of what I was expecting but nothing has come off, is this down to Brands or the limitations of permit rules in England, or were my expectation wrong, I'm not sure?
I'm also intrigued how much is he is guided/directed by Raiola, that's the only reason we got Kean for example, was he what we needed at the time, absolutely not yet we did it.

English work permit rules are fckn ridiculous, in fairness. You have to pay way over the odds to try to bypass them. Also, pretty hard to go by tabloid footy journalism "talk" or links.

If Raiola's sway is a factor, that's a Moshiri issue, not a Brands issue. The relationship is with Mosh. And if that supercedes what Brands wants/thinks, well that just goes back to something @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) mentioned earlier: just how much freedom does Brands have to do his job.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 10:04:09 PM
English work permit rules are fckn ridiculous, in fairness. You have to pay way over the odds to try to bypass them. Also, pretty hard to go by tabloid footy journalism "talk" or links.

If Raiola's sway is a factor, that's a Moshiri issue, not a Brands issue. The relationship is with Mosh. And if that supercedes what Brands wants/thinks, well that just goes back to something @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) mentioned earlier: just how much freedom does Brands have to do his job.

Think you're wide of the mark there, Raiola is Brands agent and its known they work together and have a good relationship

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/04/04/do-report-everton-set-to-appoint-marcel-brands-with-mino-raiola/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 10, 2020, 10:06:41 PM
Think you're wide of the mark there, Raiola is Brands agent and its known they work together and have a good relationship

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/04/04/do-report-everton-set-to-appoint-marcel-brands-with-mino-raiola/

HITC lol. get the fck out of here.

Raiola is Mosh's boy. Brands may have a relationship with him, but Everton's ties to him long pre-date Brands hiring.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 10:08:01 PM
HITC lol. get the fck out of here.

Raiola is Mosh's boy. Brands may have a relationship with him, but Everton's ties to him long pre-date Brands hiring.

Do your own research then it was the first that came up. Just type in Brands and Raiola you'll get enough links to realize hes in his pocket. But you are right the relationship with Moshiri predates that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was Raiola that placed Brands with us
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 10:11:11 PM
 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 10, 2020, 10:18:54 PM
Do your own research then it was the first that came up. Just type in Brands and Raiola you'll get enough links to realize hes in his pocket. But you are right the relationship with Moshiri predates that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was Raiola that placed Brands with us

Don't tell me what to do!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 10, 2020, 10:20:03 PM
Don't tell me what to do!

Well dont be so dismissive just cause you cant be arsed to look. :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 10, 2020, 10:49:12 PM
Well dont be so dismissive just cause you cant be arsed to look. :)

I did look, jerk. But I could be less dismissive, granted. :cheers:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 11, 2020, 06:41:44 AM
Bernard has never been in form. We have a odd habit of rating elegant players like Gomes and Bernard on their absolute best moments rather than their overall performances.

He hasnít ever scored or created enough but beyond that heís never fit and when he is we really are lucky if he has a couple of good halves over a 4 or 5 game period. He was great against Newcastle but them games are extremely rare. Our midfield is terrible and he canít get a regular place in it. If Iím wrong about him then so is ancelotti

Again, much of this is based on current form. I think he's shown a lot of quality since he arrived. He may not be a 38 game a season player, but that's why we have a squad. You also seem to think that highest paid player must equate to 'best' which is just arbitrary.

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The thing is you start with 13 and only 2 bad signings but youíve got half the list for various reasons are ďfree hitsĒ so really being fair it then becomes two bad out of 6.


It makes little difference. 2 (at this stage) poor signing from 13 or 6, whatever man. It's still 2.

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Richarlison was a great signing. Digne good (brilliant last season good this) and I like Mina but I think he was 40m so heís no more than okay


Mina was 30m and Digne's numbers are just as good (if not better I think I read) this year.

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I donít think anyone could argue any of the others have been a real success. Iím not even saying I want rid of brands but to look at his signings so far and say heís done well is staggering. Everyone else apart from the 3 have underperformed by some margin. Heís signed 4 or 5 midfielders some for relatively big money most on massive wages and our midfield is a steaming pile of shite. Not only individually but as a unit.
Now Iíve some sympathy because our defensive midfielder hasnít played at all but Iím not sure any of the others can play without a world class player like gueye. If thatís the case then they are all no use to us anyway

As @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) has mentioned a couple of times I'm of the opinion that you drop a competent holding midfielder into the middle of the park and our midfield is transformed. Brands bought one (or what he thinks is one, it's a bit hard to see!) in Gbamin.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 11, 2020, 06:58:32 AM
Obviously. Whichever way you look at it though. Making an investment on a young player who is not yet ready is a gamble of some sorts. We are so far away from being in a place where we can sit On a 30 million investment for x years. We shouldnít be spending more than 5mil on a player who isnít ready for the prem as our actual playing squad is so poor. Funds should be utilised in making our team functional

I think you're living in clout cuckoo land if you think we're picking up a decent prospect for that. As for what we deem worthy of spending depends on the potential ceiling. Kean's ceiling is very, very high.

There is no evidence to suggest we lost out on anyone because we made this signing, so the point is rather errr pointless.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 11, 2020, 06:59:40 AM
18-19 was quite good. Then 16-17. The other 2 tests were pretty shitty

Was mine only 27m? Had it in my head he was a lot more

16/17 was horrendous for the "established" players, with hindsight. Williams in place of Stones?! 24m on Schneiderlin? Bolasie ffs!

Gueye was a great buy. Lookman turned a profit but in terms of his footballing impact was a massive disappointment. Got to thank David Unsworth for spotting DCL's potential:

https://www.sheffieldunited.news/news/everton-reportedly-amazed-they-signed-calvert-lewin-from-sheffield-united-so-cheaply/

But credit Walsh for getting it done (If was he in charge of academy signings? I know the structure has changed under Brands).
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 11, 2020, 01:21:40 PM
16/17 was horrendous for the "established" players, with hindsight. Williams in place of Stones?! 24m on Schneiderlin? Bolasie ffs!

Gueye was a great buy. Lookman turned a profit but in terms of his footballing impact was a massive disappointment. Got to thank David Unsworth for spotting DCL's potential:

https://www.sheffieldunited.news/news/everton-reportedly-amazed-they-signed-calvert-lewin-from-sheffield-united-so-cheaply/

But credit Walsh for getting it done (If was he in charge of academy signings? I know the structure has changed under Brands).

We signed some shit that year but we also more than doubled our money on lookman, signed a world class gueye and got DCL for almost nowt. Iíd take that over what we do most years. Might well have been a fluke with big successes and big failures but it was much better than the last year.


On Bernard I really donít rate him. I think if we went back and looked at him game by game no one would. Heís consistently done very little.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
Just as a side note I think yes if we dropped a combative, energetic midfielder into the side it would be transformed...but only as far as last season i.e. what we were like with Gueye.

We have infinitely more balance than right now but we wouldn't have kicked on.

According to the athletic ancelotti wants more energy in the midfield. We struggled to replace one for one gueyes defensive output, probably only a handful of player in the world can do that and they are either too expensive (ndidi) or have rough edges and would be worse overall players, so we went for Gbamin who we thought could add a lot of energy and defensive work, but is also a bit more progressive on the ball.

This summer we're in the same.position because we've absolutely no idea what level Gbamin will or can be. Nobody next to Gomes look good because he's such a black hole, but if we assume he's to stay, who dya put with him?

A) screening DM in front of the back four?
B) energetic ball winner ala Gueye?
C) two way midfielder who can plug holes and also drive/pass vertically ala Hjojberg, Gbamin, Sanagre?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 11, 2020, 02:38:45 PM
Did I read somewhere yesterday that bolaise wants to come back and play for Carlo I would put him in the side at the moment if he was here not next season though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 11, 2020, 02:45:38 PM
Did I read somewhere yesterday that bolaise wants to come back and play for Carlo I would put him in the side at the moment if he was here not next season though
He can't play this season

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2020, 03:30:44 PM
Bolasie can fuck off
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 11, 2020, 03:55:28 PM
Bolasie can fuck off

Made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 11, 2020, 03:55:43 PM
He's awful
Did I read somewhere yesterday that bolaise wants to come back and play for Carlo I would put him in the side at the moment if he was here not next season though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 11, 2020, 04:50:39 PM
He's awful
Worse than iwobi/Davies I donít want him back but at least he is an actual left winger
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 11, 2020, 05:10:18 PM
Just as a side note I think yes if we dropped a combative, energetic midfielder into the side it would be transformed...but only as far as last season i.e. what we were like with Gueye.

We have infinitely more balance than right now but we wouldn't have kicked on.

According to the athletic ancelotti wants more energy in the midfield. We struggled to replace one for one gueyes defensive output, probably only a handful of player in the world can do that and they are either too expensive (ndidi) or have rough edges and would be worse overall players, so we went for Gbamin who we thought could add a lot of energy and defensive work, but is also a bit more progressive on the ball.

This summer we're in the same.position because we've absolutely no idea what level Gbamin will or can be. Nobody next to Gomes look good because he's such a black hole, but if we assume he's to stay, who dya put with him?

A) screening DM in front of the back four?
B) energetic ball winner ala Gueye?
C) two way midfielder who can plug holes and also drive/pass vertically ala Hjojberg, Gbamin, Sanagre?


As Iíve said before, I wouldnít mind Gomes in a 3, but in a 442 heís a no, just like the rest of them.

Two of Sangarť, Soumarť, Kessiť, McKennie, or HÝjbjerb would absolutely transform us.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Coyney83 on July 11, 2020, 07:15:45 PM
As Iíve said before, I wouldnít mind Gomes in a 3, but in a 442 heís a no, just like the rest of them.

Two of Sangarť, Soumarť, Kessiť, McKennie, or HÝjbjerb would absolutely transform us.

This.

And whilst it might not be a popular opinion, I think the right partner(s) would transform Davies too. He is raw without doubt, but to his credit he tries to play with his head up and his instinct is typically to play the forward pass which isnít always the case with Gomes.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 11, 2020, 07:19:49 PM
This.

And whilst it might not be a popular opinion, I think the right partner(s) would transform Davies too. He is raw without doubt, but to his credit he tries to play with his head up and his instinct is typically to play the forward pass which isn't always the case with Gomes.
Think it might be good to let Davies develop that partnership in the under 23s

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 11, 2020, 07:31:48 PM
Yes, he's worse
Worse than iwobi/Davies I don't want him back but at least he is an actual left winger
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 11, 2020, 07:50:46 PM
We signed some shit that year but we also more than doubled our money on lookman, signed a world class gueye and got DCL for almost nowt. Iíd take that over what we do most years. Might well have been a fluke with big successes and big failures but it was much better than the last year.


On Bernard I really donít rate him. I think if we went back and looked at him game by game no one would. Heís consistently done very little.

"We signed some shit that year" - well now I've heard everything.

Woah we got £12m for Vlasic. ALL IS FORGIVEN.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 11, 2020, 07:52:58 PM
Think it might be good to let Davies develop that partnership in the under 23s Germany.

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 11, 2020, 07:57:42 PM
"We signed some shit that year" - well now I've heard everything.

Woah we got £12m for Vlasic. ALL IS FORGIVEN.

I get that you struggle to hold back from smug and sneering but vlasic was a totally different year. We canít have a debate at all if you donít even know who we did and didnít sign x
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 11, 2020, 08:07:31 PM
I get that you struggle to hold back from smug and sneering but vlasic was a totally different year. We canít have a debate at all if you donít even know who we did and didnít sign x

I know I meant to comment on Lookman but had Vlasic on my mind from a separate post unrelated to yours. Goddamnit.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 11, 2020, 08:14:54 PM
I know I meant to comment on Lookman but had Vlasic on my mind from a separate post unrelated to yours. Goddamnit.

Okay next step he was sold for 20

Then weíve got the often used argument for Gomes.... everyone wanted him. Well everyone wanted Williams and Morgan too (not me with Morgan but Iím a miserable cunt)

Think if we got 3 duds, a youngster who makes the first team all the time, a youngster we make 10m profit on and a world class player for 85m every year weíd be doing okay now.

Though Iíd maybe argue itís slanted a bit by gueye being sold cheaply. Though that wasnít Walsh
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 11, 2020, 08:22:06 PM
Okay next step he was sold for 20

Then weíve got the often used argument for Gomes.... everyone wanted him. Well everyone wanted Williams and Morgan too (not me with Morgan but Iím a miserable cunt)

Think if we got 3 duds, a youngster who makes the first team all the time, a youngster we make 10m profit on and a world class player for 85m every year weíd be doing okay now.

Though Iíd maybe argue itís slanted a bit by gueye being sold cheaply. Though that wasnít Walsh

This all happened before I started watching (the summer before) so honestly I have no idea what people felt. I probably would've been excited. lol
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on July 11, 2020, 09:43:49 PM
Just as a side note I think yes if we dropped a combative, energetic midfielder into the side it would be transformed...but only as far as last season i.e. what we were like with Gueye.

We have infinitely more balance than right now but we wouldn't have kicked on.

According to the athletic ancelotti wants more energy in the midfield. We struggled to replace one for one gueyes defensive output, probably only a handful of player in the world can do that and they are either too expensive (ndidi) or have rough edges and would be worse overall players, so we went for Gbamin who we thought could add a lot of energy and defensive work, but is also a bit more progressive on the ball.

This summer we're in the same.position because we've absolutely no idea what level Gbamin will or can be. Nobody next to Gomes look good because he's such a black hole, but if we assume he's to stay, who dya put with him?

A) screening DM in front of the back four?
B) energetic ball winner ala Gueye?
C) two way midfielder who can plug holes and also drive/pass vertically ala Hjojberg, Gbamin, Sanagre?


Difficult re last year.

When Gomes first came in he made us better until our post Anfield slump.

Then when we started playing well, particularly in games with space those two were fine.

Obviously struggled in games where teams sat back but could that have been Silvaís preference for playing down the wings?

Felt for lots of last year in possession the issue was the creative midfielder either wasnít there/ very good and we really lacked a platform up top.

Iíd go for c out of your list though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on July 12, 2020, 01:34:34 AM
I don't think Gomes is good enough to be in a two man central midfield. I'd only ever see him in a three as a link-play-together, sit deep kind of option.

If we go with Gomes and AN Other as a central two next year, I think we're in for a lot of games on the back foot, minimal passes into feet in the final third, lots of out balls and long balls, and not disturbing any of the top teams yet again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 12, 2020, 01:49:22 AM
I don't think Gomes is good enough to be in a two man central midfield. I'd only ever see him in a three as a link-play-together, sit deep kind of option.

If we go with Gomes and AN Other as a central two next year, I think we're in for a lot of games on the back foot, minimal passes into feet in the final third, lots of out balls and long balls, and not disturbing any of the top teams yet again.

the midfield players that Ancelotti used to make his name and then win the lot, several times, are on another stratosphere to ours. So I reckon Ancelotti absolutely gets it and will only play Gomes next year if we canít buy him a 2nd midfielder to replace him. Gomes can play 90 mins in the PL, the rest of them canít  really. Iím thinking Gomes will be the second midfielder to be replaced if we can identify one for the right price.


EDIT: spelling.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2020, 03:07:31 AM
I'm not his fan at all but yeah get better players in and around him and phase him out. As part of a good three in the middle he'd probably float to a better level and be more confident.

He'd still not be able to defend the middle at all, but he can rake long passes into the corners and drive up the pitch although slowly quite unstoppably when fit.

Did you know this year he's actually playing *more* of his passes into the final third?

Dribbling less tho.

Created and shot fuck all last year or this
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 12, 2020, 03:35:16 AM
I'm not his fan at all but yeah get better players in and around him and phase him out. As part of a good three in the middle he'd probably float to a better level and be more confident.

He'd still not be able to defend the middle at all, but he can rake long passes into the corners and drive up the pitch although slowly quite unstoppably when fit.

Did you know this year he's actually playing *more* of his passes into the final third?

Dribbling less tho.

Created and shot fuck all last year or this

When I did a YouTube scout of him ages ago when he arrived on loan he looked like a dribbler, or at least could beat a man. Did they beat it out of him at Barca?

I could have been duped by a YouTube player profile vid though. Wouldnít be the first time.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2020, 04:07:00 AM
When I did a YouTube scout of him ages ago when he arrived on loan he looked like a dribbler, or at least could beat a man. Did they beat it out of him at Barca?

I could have been duped by a YouTube player profile vid though. Wouldnít be the first time.

Think that's when he's looked at his best for us to be honest, driving up the pitch and rolling challenges. Position he's playing at the moment doesn't really allow for that I don't think and he looks like he's dragging a caravan at the minute.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2020, 04:13:14 AM
Think that's when he's looked at his best for us to be honest, driving up the pitch and rolling challenges. Position he's playing at the moment doesn't really allow for that I don't think and he looks like he's dragging a caravan at the minute.

Yes heís a power runner rather than speed.

Therefore if youíre off the pace it really shows.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on July 12, 2020, 03:12:47 PM
I think the Gbamin injury has skewed the impact of business last summer somewhat.

Gbamin + Delph (as cover) should have been enough to compensate for Gueye leaving... Only Gbamin's thigh muscle fell off.

That left Delph playing too often which isn't what he was brought in to do, leading to him getting injured and our midfield being decimated.

Gomes was a decent signing for the price given the three man midfield we were implementing, so really we had a decent set of options on there, it's just all fallen apart because a) Gbamin got a terrible injury, and b) we had to sack the manager whose players were bought for his system.

My only concern about Brands moving forward is how much will Ancelloti be in charge of who comes in... It's not like you argue with a man like him if he wants to sign older higher wage players.  Brands influence on our buying ethos might just go straight out of the window this season
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
Ancelottis whole raison d'etre is working with the tools he's got to get the best out of them isn't it. He's not identifiable as like a super presser or as a sit deep guy or whatever.

When you're planning for the future tho who knows what he wants. does he want 442, or is 442 just the simplest system to get balance in this current side? Does he think oh actually we aren't going to get a good enough midfield in this window so I'll get one in and go 433?

God knows. wait and see.

Edit: I did watch a thing on tifo on Friday about the pursuit of ancelotti. One of moshiris demands along with Ozil and Joe Hart two years ago apparently  :eh:

Then when Silva left bill wanted Moyes, arteta or Howe, Kia joorachabian sorted Ancelotti.

Nothing about who brands wanted. Maybe Vitor Pereira. Not sure what's more concerning.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 03:36:46 PM
I think the Gbamin injury has skewed the impact of business last summer somewhat.

Gbamin + Delph (as cover) should have been enough to compensate for Gueye leaving... Only Gbamin's thigh muscle fell off.

That left Delph playing too often which isn't what he was brought in to do, leading to him getting injured and our midfield being decimated.

Gomes was a decent signing for the price given the three man midfield we were implementing, so really we had a decent set of options on there, it's just all fallen apart because a) Gbamin got a terrible injury, and b) we had to sack the manager whose players were bought for his system.

My only concern about Brands moving forward is how much will Ancelloti be in charge of who comes in... It's not like you argue with a man like him if he wants to sign older higher wage players.  Brands influence on our buying ethos might just go straight out of the window this season

A world class gueye held that midfield together. We were playing with 3 central midfielders and he was doing the defensive work of all 3. Thereís nothing to suggest weíd have coped barring injuries. We needed to either replace gueye with someone with similar world class numbers or we needed to move away from the likes of Gomes and sigurdsson who canít do much of whatís required of a midfielder
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on July 12, 2020, 03:41:57 PM
A world class gueye held that midfield together. We were playing with 3 central midfielders and he was doing the defensive work of all 3. Thereís nothing to suggest weíd have coped barring injuries. We needed to either replace gueye with someone with similar world class numbers or we needed to move away from the likes of Gomes and sigurdsson who canít do much of whatís required of a midfielder

Gbamin - Gomes
-------- Iwobe

Would be enough if Gbamin was of the standard Brands believed he was when buying him, with Delph coming in for Gbamin or Gomes if one was injured or rested.

We also had Schneiderlin, Davies and Sig to add to that.

It's got a decent balance to that, the issue is Gbamin and Delph haven't been available for large / most stretches of the season, leaving us with a massively inbalanced midfield, compounded further by a switch to a formation that not one single one of them is suited for.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2020, 04:02:55 PM
A world class gueye held that midfield together. We were playing with 3 central midfielders and he was doing the defensive work of all 3. Thereís nothing to suggest weíd have coped barring injuries. We needed to either replace gueye with someone with similar world class numbers or we needed to move away from the likes of Gomes and sigurdsson who canít do much of whatís required of a midfielder

When you have someone who has an outstanding ability, in Gueyeís case energetic ball winning, youíre unlikely to find a like for like replacement. 

Therefore whoever you do has to compensate in other ways, either with their own skill set or by bringing more out of the others around them.

Weíve had the worst of both worlds in that we lost Gueye and havenít had a replacement for most of the season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on July 12, 2020, 04:39:31 PM
Watched Watford Newcastle yesterday.

Was watching Sarr thinking he looked a real player. Is this what watching our midfield has done to me?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2020, 05:00:17 PM
Watched Watford Newcastle yesterday.

Was watching Sarr thinking he looked a real player. Is this what watching our midfield has done to me?

Would love Sarr at Everton
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 12, 2020, 05:05:09 PM
Watched Watford Newcastle yesterday.

Was watching Sarr thinking he looked a real player. Is this what watching our midfield has done to me?

Yes

Not sure I get this clamour for players that stand out every so often for shit teams
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 05:09:18 PM
When you have someone who has an outstanding ability, in Gueyeís case energetic ball winning, youíre unlikely to find a like for like replacement. 

Therefore whoever you do has to compensate in other ways, either with their own skill set or by bringing more out of the others around them.

Weíve had the worst of both worlds in that we lost Gueye and havenít had a replacement for most of the season.

Thatís my point. We couldnít really replace him so we needed to get more all rounders in our midfield rather than ďspecialistsĒ like Gomes and sigurdsson
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
Thatís my point. We couldnít really replace him so we needed to get more all rounders in our midfield rather than ďspecialistsĒ like Gomes and sigurdsson

I agree, but Gomesí speciality seems to be a whole lotta not much.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 12, 2020, 05:23:41 PM
Sarr is boss
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 05:44:42 PM
I agree, but Gomesí speciality seems to be a whole lotta not much.

Totally agree. Weíd be in trouble if Gomes was great and sigurdsson was still scoring goals. Our problem is both the individuals and the unit not working
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on July 12, 2020, 05:46:29 PM
I'm still very much in the 'Brands needs to have a good summer' camp. I'm quite unapologetic about it, and think it's a completely reasonable, justifiable opinion at this point.

At best, his signings have been a mixed bag. Plenty of money spent. Sort the midfield out this summer, fella, and there'll be plenty of praise coming your way.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 12, 2020, 07:15:11 PM
The shitter we get, its harder to attract the better players, especially when FFP is going sting us more than most with the money weve spent. Awful position, literally. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on July 12, 2020, 07:53:49 PM
Why do we keep signing crocks? Or is it just being unlucky?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 07:56:12 PM
Why do we keep signing crocks? Or is it just being unlucky?

I honestly think it's down to directionless recruiting. I don't know which drives the other, but look at our last 3 managers (and now, poor Carlo). Entirely different systems, formations, and philosphies.

How do you effectively recruit to hit a moving target?

I'll be honest, Moshiri is the one who should be questioned here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 07:58:48 PM
I honestly think it's down to directionless recruiting. I don't know which drives the other, but look at our last 3 managers (and now, poor Carlo). Entirely different systems, formations, and philosphies.

How do you effectively recruit to hit a moving target?

I'll be honest, Moshiri is the one who should be questioned here.

But which of these players did well for 1 manager and is now struggling in a different system. The truth is the many that are shit now werenít much different for the manager who was here when they signed
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 12, 2020, 08:02:50 PM
The last three managers haven't been sacked because they were buying good players and improving performances and results.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 08:03:12 PM
But which of these players did well for 1 manager and is now struggling in a different system. The truth is the many that are shit now werenít much different for the manager who was here when they signed

If you're being fair, than several. Don't underestimate the nuances between systems & philosophies, and how they would effect performance. How many players do we have right now playing out of position, or in an unfamiliar position at best?

Even the TV taking heads commented on what can you expect when you have 4 managers in 5 years.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 08:05:08 PM
The last three managers haven't been sacked because they were buying good players and improving performances and results.

No, they were sacked for not getting a tune out of the players they inherited, and then going after entirely different types of players, and not getting them to somehow work together. Shocking that it didn't. 🙄
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 08:06:18 PM
If you're being fair, than several. Don't underestimate the nuances between systems & philosophies, and how they would effect performance. How many players do we have right now playing out of position, or in an unfamiliar position at best?

Even the TV taking heads commented on what can you expect when you have 4 managers in 5 years.

Name them. These players havenít been very good for anyone. Davies, sigurdsson Gomes iwobi walcott Bernard. Theyíve all been mainly poor whoever has been in charge. Nowt really to do with systems. None of them have actually been good
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 08:07:12 PM
No, they were sacked for not getting a tune out of the players they inherited, and then going after entirely different types of players, and not getting them to somehow work together. Shocking that it didn't. 🙄

The last 4 have all been sacked for being fucking useless
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 08:17:31 PM
Name them. These players havenít been very good for anyone. Davies, sigurdsson Gomes iwobi walcott Bernard. Theyíve all been mainly poor whoever has been in charge. Nowt really to do with systems. None of them have actually been good

I just think both are factors. But I really can't understand how you don't think the manager-go-round has had anything to do with it. All the players you hate were bought for Silva's 4-2-3-1.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on July 12, 2020, 08:17:34 PM
It's an issue that we are favouring a very different 4-4-2 formation than we are used to. Need a complete midfield change
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 08:22:49 PM
I just think both are factors. But I really can't understand how you don't think the manager-go-round has had anything to do with it. All the players you hate were bought for Silva's 4-2-3-1.

I think weíve just bought badly. Weíve an entire midfield who maybe you could protect 1 of them in a team if the rest of the midfield is great.

They all arenít good enough. Weíve not got anyone in there who you could say was great for silva. We havenít got anyone in there whoís ever been good for any of our managers

Going further back Gomes was shit at Barca too. Walcott shit at Arsenal. Not sure about Bernard in the Ukraine. Iwobi.... Arsenal werenít that sad to lose him. Sigurdsson scored goals and decent corners for Swansea but he wasnít a good player in any system

These players are shit. Thatís the big problem
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on July 12, 2020, 08:26:01 PM
So we need 3 CM's, a CB, a RM and an RB ffs.

Questions do need to be asked because apart Digne have any of them been a definite success. I don't consider Richarlison as Brands buy as he was clearly a Silva target
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 12, 2020, 08:27:32 PM
and a keeper
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 12, 2020, 08:30:26 PM
If you're being fair, than several. Don't underestimate the nuances between systems & philosophies, and how they would effect performance. How many players do we have right now playing out of position, or in an unfamiliar position at best?

Even the TV taking heads commented on what can you expect when you have 4 managers in 5 years.
I agree sig had good stats two seasons ago Morgan did well initially like bolaise before his injury what we miss is a top player like lukaku who turns half chances into goals or gana even Geri had something about him some of the players today are finished for me
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 08:30:33 PM
I think weíve just bought badly. Weíve an entire midfield who maybe you could protect 1 of them in a team if the rest of the midfield is great.

They all arenít good enough. Weíve not got anyone in there who you could say was great for silva. We havenít got anyone in there whoís ever been good for any of our managers

Going further back Gomes was shit at Barca too. Walcott shit at Arsenal. Not sure about Bernard in the Ukraine. Iwobi.... Arsenal werenít that sad to lose him. Sigurdsson scored goals and decent corners for Swansea but he wasnít a good player in any system

These players are shit. Thatís the big problem

Come on, Gomes barely played for Barca (same with Mina & Digne, btw); have you ever looked at their starting CMs? He was great at Valencia. Walcott shit at Arsenal? You're just being daft. Blame Allardyce for buying him 5 years too late and paying well over the odds. Sigurdsson was great at Swansea but that was papering over the cracks; you know I don't rate him and never have. Iwobi was one of Arsenal's best creators last season; literally in the top 10 for chances created and such in the entire Prem. They may not have been sad to lose him but that's likely because we overpaid for him too. Bernard was dynamic for Shaktar, and in Brazil before that. Hell even Tosun was very good in the Super Lig.

That's my point. All bought at different times, at different stages in their careers, for different managers.

It's an island of misfit toys. Naturally they're all going to look like shit when mashed together.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 12, 2020, 08:31:34 PM
Think we are suffering a lot after buying players for 4 2 3 1 then changing formation, and realising none of them are good enough individually when their deficiencies are being hidden by a very defensive formation.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 08:38:57 PM
I honestly think it's down to directionless recruiting. I don't know which drives the other, but look at our last 3 managers (and now, poor Carlo). Entirely different systems, formations, and philosphies.

How do you effectively recruit to hit a moving target?

I'll be honest, Moshiri is the one who should be questioned here.

Yup, Maverick Moshi has presided over one chaotic ship, alright.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 08:39:52 PM
Come on, Gomes barely played for Barca (same with Mina & Digne, btw); have you ever looked at their starting CMs? He was great at Valencia. Walcott shit at Arsenal? You're just being daft. Blame Allardyce for buying him 5 years too late and paying well over the odds. Sigurdsson was great at Swansea but that was papering over the cracks; you know I don't rate him and never have. Iwobi was one of Arsenal's best creators last season; literally in the top 10 for chances created and such in the entire Prem. They may not have been sad to lose him but that's likely because we overpaid for him too. Bernard was dynamic for Shaktar, and in Brazil before that. Hell even Tosun was very good in the Super Lig.

That's my point. All bought at different times, at different stages in their careers, for different managers.

It's an island of misfit toys. Naturally they're all going to look like shit when mashed together.

Gomes was hated by Barca fans. He was shite. Walcott here is the same player he was at Arsenal

I canít believe itís even a debate. Weíve bought terribly

Our midfield has cost what? 150m?? Taking another 30m plus a year in wages? Are we really trying to pretend itís been anything but laughable business.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on July 12, 2020, 08:44:30 PM
and a keeper

FFS I forgot about Pickford, now my head hurts
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 12, 2020, 08:46:28 PM
Did Brands say 2-3 players they will look to bring in this summer? He'll need more than that. I think they'll cash in on Richarlison to start the rebuild.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 08:51:45 PM
Did Brands say 2-3 players they will look to bring in this summer? He'll need more than that. I think they'll cash in on Richarlison to start the rebuild.

I think he said 2-3 ďareasĒ or ďpositionsĒ, so hopefully that means 2 cmís and a winger or two in midfield, and a CB, RB, and GK for the defence.. ;)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 08:52:55 PM
I think he said 2-3 ďareasĒ or ďpositionsĒ, so hopefully that means 2 cmís and a winger or two in midfield, and a CB, RB, and GK for the defence.. ;)

4 midfielders. 1 keeper. 2 defenders.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 12, 2020, 08:54:49 PM
4 midfielders. 1 keeper. 2 defenders.
And a striker

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 08:57:36 PM
And a striker

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Thatís 4 areas unless we lump keeper in the defence. Brands so far has been useless. Last chance saloon in the summer
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 09:03:44 PM
4 midfielders. 1 keeper. 2 defenders.

Yeah, thatís what I put.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 09:04:00 PM
Gomes was hated by Barca fans. He was shite. Walcott here is the same player he was at Arsenal

I canít believe itís even a debate. Weíve bought terribly

Our midfield has cost what? 150m?? Taking another 30m plus a year in wages? Are we really trying to pretend itís been anything but laughable business.

It's like you didn't read what I wrote lol.

Gomes was a sub at best for Barca. He played 2,100 minutes in 2 seasons. He was very good for Valencia before that. Walcott scored 40 goals in the 5 seasons prior to joining Everton, but it's a moot argument. He was purchased by Allardyce. A different manager in a different system, pre-Brands. The most expensive flop in our midfield was bought by Koemann. A different manager in a different system. You're making my argument for me.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
And a striker

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 12, 2020, 09:04:59 PM
That's 4 areas unless we lump keeper in the defence. Brands so far has been useless. Last chance saloon in the summer
The way he's performed so far I'll be surprised if he's here next summer. It's pretty much been a disaster

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 09:11:03 PM
It's like you didn't read what I wrote lol.

Gomes was a sub at best for Barca. He played 2,100 minutes in 2 seasons. He was very good for Valencia before that. Walcott scored 40 goals in the 5 seasons prior to joining Everton, but it's a moot argument. He was purchased by Allardyce. A different manager in a different system, pre-Brands. The most expensive flop in our midfield was bought by Koemann. A different manager in a different system. You're making my argument for me.

The point is theyíve not been very good in any system. Sigurdsson wasnít great for koeman. Walcott wasnít great for allardyce. Gomes wasnít great for silva. They were all bad buys. First and foremost thatís the problem. They shouldnít have been bought
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 09:12:00 PM
The point is theyíve not been very good in any system. Sigurdsson wasnít great for koeman. Walcott wasnít great for allardyce. Gomes wasnít great for silva. They were all bad buys. First and foremost thatís the problem. They shouldnít have been bought

AND YET 2 OF THE 3 YOU MENTIONED WEREN'T BOUGHT BY BRANDS.

I'm utterly flabbergasted by you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Silas on July 12, 2020, 09:12:11 PM
We'll only buy a striker if we plan on using richarlison, Calvert Lewin and Kean as wingers/inside forwards long term
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 09:23:35 PM
AND YET 2 OF THE 3 YOU MENTIONED WEREN'T BOUGHT BY BRANDS.

I'm utterly flabbergasted by you.

Iím talking about them struggling with different managers and systems. Thatís the point you brought up and was discussing. My point being that weíve just bought terribly. Brands and Walsh. They both bought poor players who canít even play with the other poor players weíve bought
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 09:26:58 PM
AND YET 2 OF THE 3 YOU MENTIONED WEREN'T BOUGHT BY BRANDS.

I'm utterly flabbergasted by you.

They are all shite. Gomes. Bernard. Delph. Iwobi. All brought by brands. All shite. These players arenít missing a suitable system. They couldnít play together in any system. So heís bought a load of shit midfielders and sold gueye. Are we really debating if much of the problem is his fault?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 09:52:31 PM
They are all shite. Gomes. Bernard. Delph. Iwobi. All brought by brands. All shite. These players arenít missing a suitable system. They couldnít play together in any system. So heís bought a load of shit midfielders and sold gueye. Are we really debating if much of the problem is his fault?

And yet Milner, Henderson, Shaquiri, and Wijnaldum all look like worldies.

Due to Klopp.

And steroids.

And VAR.

And the power of a cult behind them.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 09:58:19 PM
And yet Milner, Henderson, Shaquiri, and Wijnaldum all look like worldies.

Due to Klopp.

And steroids.

And VAR.

And the power of a cult behind them.

The thing with the Liverpool lot is they can play together. They are all good physically and can all do a bit with and without the ball. They complement each other. Forgetting the issue with quality we donít have players who can even play together. No way should a sigurdsson be playing with a Gomes and a Bernard even on their best days. Thereís nothing there defensively. We shouldnít have signed a load of players that required a gueye for it to work. We should have signed some all round decent midfielders rather than specialists.

Liverpool have a functional midfield. We have the opposite
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 10:04:03 PM
The thing with the Liverpool lot is they can play together. They are all good physically and can all do a bit with and without the ball. They complement each other. Forgetting the issue with quality we donít have players who can even play together. No way should a sigurdsson be playing with a Gomes and a Bernard even on their best days. Thereís nothing there defensively. We shouldnít have signed a load of players that required a gueye for it to work. We should have signed some all round decent midfielders rather than specialists.

Liverpool have a functional midfield. We have the opposite

This is kinda going round in circles (as per) but I will say that a chaotic, meddling owner hasnít helped, in the slightest.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 12, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
I'd have signed Shaquiri all day long. The level of competition with them is his downfall, not ability.
The team they put out in the cup looked like a team, played like a team and made us look very average... that's shameful.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 10:10:38 PM
This is kinda going round in circles (as per) but I will say that a chaotic, meddling owner hasnít helped, in the slightest.

Think the biggest issue is picking 4 utterly useless managers back to back. Think most of our signings have been shocking regardless of systems but each of them 4 useless managers would have had an input in them

I think much of the improvement Iím expecting quality of signings wise will come from ancelotti. Itís hard to have faith in any of the other football people are the club
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2020, 10:13:21 PM
I'd have signed Shaquiri all day long. The level of competition with them is his downfall, not ability.
The team they put out in the cup looked like a team, played like a team and made us look very average... that's shameful.

How would he be helping us?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 10:20:28 PM
Think the biggest issue is picking 4 utterly useless managers back to back. Think most of our signings have been shocking regardless of systems but each of them 4 useless managers would have had an input in them

I think much of the improvement Iím expecting quality of signings wise will come from ancelotti. Itís hard to have faith in any of the other football people are the club

But this discussion all began with you wanting to bash Brands. You've contradicted yourself several times now. I never said Brands wasn't blameless, but you seem to think this is all on him and now he has to fix it in a 2-month time frame. With another new manager, new system, new philosophy. And with 100% players he had no say in buying. ::)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 10:25:43 PM
Think the biggest issue is picking 4 utterly useless managers back to back. Think most of our signings have been shocking regardless of systems but each of them 4 useless managers would have had an input in them

I think much of the improvement Iím expecting quality of signings wise will come from ancelotti. Itís hard to have faith in any of the other football people are the club

Yeah, agreed.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 10:32:09 PM
But this discussion all began with you wanting to bash Brands. You've contradicted yourself several times now. I never said Brands wasn't blameless, but you seem to think this is all on him and now he has to fix it in a 2-month time frame. With another new manager, new system, new philosophy. And with 100% players he had no say in buying. ::)

When did I say it was all on him. Heís been shite. That doesnít mean others havenít been shite too. Only have to look at our midfield to know we could have more than 1 problem with shite.

Absolutely have a problem with appointing shit managers too. 1 of which was appointed at least in part by brands. The signings we made under silva were at least in part down to brands.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 10:33:37 PM
When did I say it was all on him. Heís been shite. That doesnít mean others havenít been shite too. Only have to look at our midfield to know we could have more than 1 problem with shite.

Absolutely have a problem with appointing shit managers too. 1 of which was appointed at least in part by brands. The signings we made under silva were at least in part down to brands.

No manager was appointed by Brands. No argument about the signings under Silva, but they were bought for his system. I don't know how many times I need to say this. Do you somehow think they bought those players with the foresight that Silva would be canned midway through his contract?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
No manager was appointed by Brands. No argument about the signings under Silva, but they were bought for his system. I don't know how many times I need to say this. Do you somehow think they bought those players with the foresight that Silva would be canned midway through his contract?

You can say it a million times. It doesnít mean anyone has to agree with you. Smug and sneering unfortunately doesnít always mean right.

The biggest issue for you is that they were bought for a different system (even though they donít appear to be very good in any system) for me itís just that they arenít very good.

We should probably agree to disagree because thereís not a set number of timeís you need to say it before everyone just accepts youíre right x
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Thomas on July 12, 2020, 10:37:12 PM
I said 2 years ago Brands was crap and why we kept Tom Davies who was clearly average at bestwhilst selling Barkley who is exactly what we need driving the ball forward from midfield, but it wasnt trendy then so I got slaughtered.

I'd just sack off the DoF and let Carlo sign the players.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 12, 2020, 10:41:52 PM
I said 2 years ago Brands was crap and why we kept Tom Davies who was clearly average at bestwhilst selling Barkley who is exactly what we need driving the ball forward from midfield, but it wasnt trendy then so I got slaughtered.

I'd just sack off the DoF and let Carlo sign the players.
What would you have done with Barkley then, just let him go for free?

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Thomas on July 12, 2020, 10:47:26 PM
What would you have done with Barkley then, just let him go for free?

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No, he wanted to leave. But a lot of fans hated Stones and Barkley yet now they want to resign Stones and Barkley is playing well for Chelsea.

Meanwhile Brands and Moshiri dont have a clue.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 12, 2020, 10:49:05 PM
Ffs.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 12, 2020, 10:49:26 PM
No, he wanted to leave. But a lot of fans hated Stones and Barkley yet now they want to resign Stones and Barkley is playing well for Chelsea.

Meanwhile Brands and Moshiri dont have a clue.
Exactly, but your previous post was having a pop at him for selling him yet he had no choice, he's done 101 things wrong but selling Barkley when he was going for free in 6 months wasnt one of them

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 12, 2020, 10:52:48 PM
I said 2 years ago Brands was crap and why we kept Tom Davies who was clearly average at bestwhilst selling Barkley who is exactly what we need driving the ball forward from midfield, but it wasnt trendy then so I got slaughtered.

I'd just sack off the DoF and let Carlo sign the players.
Oh my god captain I told you so is back I suppose you foretold everything
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 12, 2020, 10:53:28 PM
Flat cap wearing arsenal TV wannabe.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 12, 2020, 11:04:28 PM
Barkley didnt wanna be here, this isnt a game if FIFA mate.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2020, 11:06:29 PM
Barkley left (Jan 18) before Brands arrived (Summer 18), didnít he?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 11:09:46 PM
I said 2 years ago Brands was crap and why we kept Tom Davies who was clearly average at bestwhilst selling Barkley who is exactly what we need driving the ball forward from midfield, but it wasnt trendy then so I got slaughtered.

I'd just sack off the DoF and let Carlo sign the players.

You didn't even know who Brands was 2 years ago.

Barkley left (Jan 18) before Brands arrived (Summer 18), didnít he?

Yes. It's also Brands fault Lukaku was sold though.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 12, 2020, 11:32:01 PM
Ffs.

This!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: nsno on July 12, 2020, 11:35:21 PM
The problems don't lay entirely with Brands, yes some of his signings haven't worked out but at the time they seemed exciting and sensible, take delph for example; I for one thought that was a great piece of business but it hasn't worked out yet for one reason or another.  As a club we have chopped and changed managers and styles too often over the last 4 years.  We need a clear system that as a club we stick with, so when we change managers again, the system is only tweaked, not completely changed to suit a certain managers philosophy. 

As a club we have failed because we have picked managers that look good on paper (or in a suit) and have not necessarily been the right fit for the club, hence why we are turning into Newcastle, who did the same once Robson left . Find a successful system and chose the staff to fit that philosophy, that is how you build and maintain success.

Ancelotti cannot work wonders with players that don't work to his style, he needs time and resources to reshape the squad in his image.  In the past, Ancelotti has always had the luxury of having quality midfield players who dictate the tempo of a game (pirlo, seedorf, modric, Lampard, Zidane et al) and players who did the leg work (gattusso, conte, Davids, essien, kroos). Once he puts his stamp on our squad I am very confident this season will be something we look back on and laugh about.
COYB
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 11:42:13 PM
Iíd be happy if he managed something like this (yes, I have too much time on my hands today)


Ins:
Soumarť
Sangarť
Hojbjerg
Gabriel
Neres
Nkounkou

Outs:
Davies
Bernard
Sigurdsson
Schneiderlin
Gomes
Baines (reluctantly)
Walcott
Garbutt
Martina
Niasse
Besic
Stekelenburg
Baningime
Dowell
Sandro
Bolasie


GK:Pickford, Virginia, Lossl
FB/WB: Kenny, Digne, Nkounkou, Coleman
CB: Holgate, Gabriel, Mina, Keane, Branthwaite, Gibson
CM/DM: Sangarť, Soumarť, HÝjbjerg, Gbamin, Delph
AM/WF: Neres, Gordon, Iwobi
ST/WF: Richarlison, DCL, Kean, Tosun, Simms


                          Pickford
       Coleman Holgate Gabriel Digne
                    Soumarť Sangarť
                       Neres Gordon
                      DCL Richarlison

Lossl, Kenny, Mina, Keane, HÝjbjerg, Iwobi, Kean
                             
                   
 




                             
         
                         
                   
                               
                           
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2020, 11:44:29 PM
The problems don't lay entirely with Brands, yes some of his signings haven't worked out but at the time they seemed exciting and sensible, take delph for example; I for one thought that was a great piece of business but it hasn't worked out yet for one reason or another.  As a club we have chopped and changed managers and styles too often over the last 4 years.  We need a clear system that as a club we stick with, so when we change managers again, the system is only tweaked, not completely changed to suit a certain managers philosophy. 

As a club we have failed because we have picked managers that look good on paper (or in a suit) and have not necessarily been the right fit for the club, hence why we are turning into Newcastle, who did the same once Robson left . Find a successful system and chose the staff to fit that philosophy, that is how you build and maintain success.

Ancelotti cannot work wonders with players that don't work to his style, he needs time and resources to reshape the squad in his image.  In the past, Ancelotti has always had the luxury of having quality midfield players who dictate the tempo of a game (pirlo, seedorf, modric, Lampard, Zidane et al) and players who did the leg work (gattusso, conte, Davids, essien, kroos). Once he puts his stamp on our squad I am very confident this season will be something we look back on and laugh about.
COYB

Itís a weird idea that if we were happy at the time then itís not brands fault

Everyone was happy with Morgan sigurdsson and williams too. Can we not hold Walsh or koeman responsible for any of them not working out. Heís paid millions because he knows more than us. Itís his job to know why a Gomes or a Delph wonít work when weíd all be happy with them signings

As for the failures with managers. Weíve failed because they didnít even look good on paper. Martinez teams clearly couldnít defend. Koeman was given credit for a Southampton team built by a DOF. We then let him overrule a dof and make transfer decisions. Allardyce wasnít ever right given the fans objections and his style. Silva relegated and sacked before us. These didnít look good on paper. They looked good if you just looked at a headline. Won fa cup, rebuilt a good team, never relegated (not sure what silvas selling point really was) look beyond that and they were obviously shit
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 11:48:26 PM
The problems don't lay entirely with Brands, yes some of his signings haven't worked out but at the time they seemed exciting and sensible, take delph for example; I for one thought that was a great piece of business but it hasn't worked out yet for one reason or another.  As a club we have chopped and changed managers and styles too often over the last 4 years.  We need a clear system that as a club we stick with, so when we change managers again, the system is only tweaked, not completely changed to suit a certain managers philosophy. 

As a club we have failed because we have picked managers that look good on paper (or in a suit) and have not necessarily been the right fit for the club, hence why we are turning into Newcastle, who did the same once Robson left . Find a successful system and chose the staff to fit that philosophy, that is how you build and maintain success.

Ancelotti cannot work wonders with players that don't work to his style, he needs time and resources to reshape the squad in his image.  In the past, Ancelotti has always had the luxury of having quality midfield players who dictate the tempo of a game (pirlo, seedorf, modric, Lampard, Zidane et al) and players who did the leg work (gattusso, conte, Davids, essien, kroos). Once he puts his stamp on our squad I am very confident this season will be something we look back on and laugh about.
COYB

Blimey, Lampard is pretty fortunate to be named in a group with Pirlo, Seedorf, Modric, Zidane, Gattuso, Davids, and Kroos!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on July 12, 2020, 11:50:42 PM
I'd just sack off the DoF and let Carlo sign the players.
Know what Carlo Ancelotti has said about signing players?

"This is not my job."
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 12, 2020, 11:57:31 PM
Know what Carlo Ancelotti has said about signing players?

"This is not my job."

Brands even explained his job a while back, he looks to the future (youth teams etc.) And for the first team he sits down with the manager and manager says what he wants and he tries to get what they agree on. So far in this thread, shit signings are Brands fault and the good signings under Brands are the managers signings.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 13, 2020, 12:01:45 AM
No, he wanted to leave. But a lot of fans hated Stones and Barkley yet now they want to resign Stones and Barkley is playing well for Chelsea.

Meanwhile Brands and Moshiri dont have a clue.

Hang about so what would you have done then
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: nsno on July 13, 2020, 12:02:20 AM
Itís a weird idea that if we were happy at the time then itís not brands fault

Everyone was happy with Morgan sigurdsson and williams too. Can we not hold Walsh or koeman responsible for any of them not working out. Heís paid millions because he knows more than us. Itís his job to know why a Gomes or a Delph wonít work when weíd all be happy with them signings

As for the failures with managers. Weíve failed because they didnít even look good on paper. Martinez teams clearly couldnít defend. Koeman was given credit for a Southampton team built by a DOF. We then let him overrule a dof and make transfer decisions. Allardyce wasnít ever right given the fans objections and his style. Silva relegated and sacked before us. These didnít look good on paper. They looked good if you just looked at a headline. Won fa cup, rebuilt a good team, never relegated (not sure what silvas selling point really was) look beyond that and they were obviously shit

Your right, but in fairness winning an FA cup with Wigan was a great achievement and Koeman transformed Southampton. As for Allardyce, in hindsight (and because of Silva) maybe we should have stuck with him.

You cannot blame a dof for a player not performing when they have been key players at their previous clubs, that is down to the manager, coaching staff, system and the mentality of the dressing room. William's was a leader at Swansea and one of the reasons theh remained in the prem as long as they did, Morgan was a class act at Southampton, Sig was (on paper) one of the most creative midfielders outside the top 4, Delph was versatile, experienced and had won back to back prem titles, Gomes impressed on his loan so was a no brainer. The above all seemed good signings at the time, the other signings by Brands; Mina had an excellent world cup and fitted the stereotype we needed at CB, digne was a like for like with Baines, Kean is an up and coming talent, bernard was a free, sidibe was worth a gamble on loan, Gbamin is an unlucky one as he never had injury trouble like this at Mainz. My only gripe is the signing of Iwobi as it reeked of a panic buy at the time and he is by no means a winger, doesn't have the work rate.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on July 13, 2020, 12:04:48 AM
Ancelloti also said, "I have never been at a club where I had total responsibility for recruitment."

He points to the fact that managers on average are only there for 2 years, so it makes better business sense for the responsibility for recruitment not to sit with a short term employee.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: nsno on July 13, 2020, 12:05:11 AM
Blimey, Lampard is pretty fortunate to be named in a group with Pirlo, Seedorf, Modric, Zidane, Gattuso, Davids, and Kroos!

Really? Are you new to football?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: nsno on July 13, 2020, 12:06:49 AM
Iíd be happy if he managed something like this (yes, I have too much time on my hands today)


Ins:
Soumarť
Sangarť
Hojbjerg
Gabriel
Neres
Nkounkou

Outs:
Davies
Bernard
Sigurdsson
Schneiderlin
Gomes
Baines (reluctantly)
Walcott
Garbutt
Martina
Niasse
Besic
Stekelenburg
Baningime
Dowell
Sandro
Bolasie


GK:Pickford, Virginia, Lossl
FB/WB: Kenny, Digne, Nkounkou, Coleman
CB: Holgate, Gabriel, Mina, Keane, Branthwaite, Gibson
CM/DM: Sangarť, Soumarť, HÝjbjerg, Gbamin, Delph
AM/WF: Neres, Gordon, Iwobi
ST/WF: Richarlison, DCL, Kean, Tosun, Simms


                          Pickford
       Coleman Holgate Gabriel Digne
                    Soumarť Sangarť
                       Neres Gordon
                      DCL Richarlison

Lossl, Kenny, Mina, Keane, HÝjbjerg, Iwobi, Kean
                             
                   
 




                             
         
                         
                   
                               
                           
Hojberg would be an inspired signing
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 13, 2020, 12:16:49 AM
Your right, but in fairness winning an FA cup with Wigan was a great achievement and Koeman transformed Southampton. As for Allardyce, in hindsight (and because of Silva) maybe we should have stuck with him.

You cannot blame a dof for a player not performing when they have been key players at their previous clubs, that is down to the manager, coaching staff, system and the mentality of the dressing room. William's was a leader at Swansea and one of the reasons theh remained in the prem as long as they did, Morgan was a class act at Southampton, Sig was (on paper) one of the most creative midfielders outside the top 4, Delph was versatile, experienced and had won back to back prem titles, Gomes impressed on his loan so was a no brainer. The above all seemed good signings at the time, the other signings by Brands; Mina had an excellent world cup and fitted the stereotype we needed at CB, digne was a like for like with Baines, Kean is an up and coming talent, bernard was a free, sidibe was worth a gamble on loan, Gbamin is an unlucky one as he never had injury trouble like this at Mainz. My only gripe is the signing of Iwobi as it reeked of a panic buy at the time and he is by no means a winger, doesn't have the work rate.

Koeman didnít transform Southampton. The amazing transfer business was all being done by someone else. We then brought him here and let him dictate transfers. Martinez winning the fa cup was amazing everything else he did at Wigan wasnít though.

Sigurdsson was only creative from set plays. Looking beyond that which really for 45m we should have looked he was as creative as Gareth Barry.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on July 13, 2020, 12:30:54 AM
Hang about so what would you have done then

Probably sign Scott Brown.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: nsno on July 13, 2020, 12:33:25 AM
Koeman didnít transform Southampton. The amazing transfer business was all being done by someone else. We then brought him here and let him dictate transfers. Martinez winning the fa cup was amazing everything else he did at Wigan wasnít though.

Sigurdsson was only creative from set plays. Looking beyond that which really for 45m we should have looked he was as creative as Gareth Barry.
Finished 7th and 6th respectively when at Southampton mate, previous season to Koeman they had poch and finished 8th, big boots to fill, remained very consistent and qualified for Europe.
Martinez kept wigan in the Prem until the cup winning season and spent very little money kn transfers.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 12:33:38 AM
Really? Are you new to football?

No, but it sounds like you are if you think Lampard is in the same league as those midfielders 😂
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 13, 2020, 12:36:46 AM
Finished 7th and 6th respectively when at Southampton mate, previous season to Koeman they had poch and finished 8th, big boots to fill, remained very consistent and qualified for Europe.
Martinez kept wigan in the Prem until the cup winning season and spent very little money kn transfers.

But all the talk was of the Southampton rebuild. The fact that they were selling players for big money and finding good cheaper replacements. That wasnít koemanís work
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Thomas on July 13, 2020, 12:49:58 AM
Flat cap wearing arsenal TV wannabe.

A lot of whst I said in that video came true mate. Funnily enough. Including aiming for Ancelotti. Including DCL being good and Tom Davies being the worst midfielder I've seen since Simon Davies signed for us.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: nsno on July 13, 2020, 01:28:28 AM
No, but it sounds like you are if you think Lampard is in the same league as those midfielders 😂
You don't consistently stay at the top for as long and win what he did without being quality, averaged a goal ratio of 1:3.5.  In his prime he would walk into any current premier league team.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 02:03:58 AM
You don't consistently stay at the top for as long and win what he did without being quality, averaged a goal ratio of 1:3.5.  In his prime he would walk into any current premier league team.

Lampard was a great EPL, midfield goalscorer, however, mate, the other players you named were a mixture of DM monsters, conductors extraordinaire, and complete fucking geniuses.

Lampard was basically Tim Cahill, but fortunate enough to be in a side managed by the best young manager in world football (Mourinho) with the richest owner (Abramovich) backed up by the likes of Makalele (didnít have to worry about any defensive responsibility) with space opened up for him by the likes of Arjen Robben and Didier Drogba.

He proved alongside Stevie G La for Engerlund that he was neither a DM monster, a conductor extraordinaire, nor even much of a threat, let alone a genius.

He was a great EPL goalscorer, but he stuck out like a sore thumb in that list you compiled.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 13, 2020, 02:12:20 AM
Lampard was a great EPL, midfield goalscorer, however, mate, the other players you named were a mixture of DM monsters, conductors extraordinaire, and complete fucking geniuses.

Lampard was basically Tim Cahill, but fortunate enough to be in a side managed by the best young manager in world football (Mourinho) with the richest owner (Abramovich) backed up by the likes of Makalele (didnít have to worry about any defensive responsibility) with space opened up for him by the likes of Arjen Robben and Didier Drogba.

He proved alongside Stevie G La for Engerlund that he was neither a DM monster, a conductor extraordinaire, nor even much of a threat, let alone a genius.

He was a great EPL goalscorer, but he stuck out like a sore thumb in that list you compiled.

Come off it. Lampard was a million miles better than Tim Cahill. The comparison is crazy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 02:15:02 AM
Come off it. Lampard was a million miles better than Tim Cahill. The comparison is crazy

Yeah, that bit was tongue in cheek, but among that list of Zidane, Kroos, Pirlo etc, he was clearly the odd man out.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 13, 2020, 02:16:41 AM
Yeah, that bit was tongue in cheek, but among that list of Zidane, Kroos, Pirlo etc, he was clearly the odd man out.
Id agree with Zidane but nothing between Lampard and Kroos

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 02:24:12 AM
Id agree with Zidane but nothing between Lampard and Kroos

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Oh really? Interesting.

In my opinion Kroos is elite level, in domestic football, European competition, and on the international stage.

Not to mention his ridiculous 90% pass completion over the course of 250 games.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 13, 2020, 02:36:57 AM
Oh really? Interesting.

In my opinion Kroos is elite level, in domestic football, European competition, and on the international stage.

Not to mention his ridiculous 90% pass completion over the course of 250 games.
Lampard did have a pretty impressive record himself:

1019 games
302 goals
3 Premier Leagues
4 FA Cups
2 League Cups
1 UCL
1 Europa League
106 England caps
Plus 5 years on the trot scoring 20+ goals, and he's a midfielder




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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on July 13, 2020, 02:43:14 AM
I remember at deadline day last summer I completely lost my head and was calling the season a write off after we signed iwobi. Silva said for long enough what the issues were and what players we needed and they didnít get them for him.

This absolutely shambles of a season was a write off because of recruitment. We needed someone in to replace zouma, a RW another CM(silva was after dacoure) a striker and a back up right back. We signed Iwobi who fit into none of them holes and didnít address the CB issue. Weíre really lucky Holgate has come good
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 02:46:52 AM
Lampard did have a pretty impressive record himself:

1019 games
302 goals
3 Premier Leagues
4 FA Cups
2 League Cups
1 UCL
1 Europa League
106 England caps
Plus 5 years on the trot scoring 20+ goals, and he's a midfielder




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Yeah, like I said, great midfield goalscorer domestically (not sure about Europe, not really interested) but he wasnít an elite level player like Zidane, Pirlo, Kroos. When he was one of the spearheads of the ďGolden GenerationĒ (cringe) England were just a bit shit.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 13, 2020, 02:51:59 AM
Lampard was a very good player but nowhere near the elite level midfielder who could pass score and in zidanes case (my favourite all time player) carry a team to a World Cup win
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 13, 2020, 02:52:33 AM
Lampard obviously didnít have the talent of a zidane or pirlo but his goal scoring numbers were amazing. Think that makes him elite in all be it a different way. Think his international record has to be separate. Not the same player internationally but Messi and Ronaldo arenít either. I think Lampard is an elite at club level
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 13, 2020, 02:55:49 AM
I remember at deadline day last summer I completely lost my head and was calling the season a write off after we signed iwobi. Silva said for long enough what the issues were and what players we needed and they didn't get them for him.

This absolutely shambles of a season was a write off because of recruitment. We needed someone in to replace zouma, a RW another CM(silva was after dacoure) a striker and a back up right back. We signed Iwobi who fit into none of them holes and didn't address the CB issue. We're really lucky Holgate has come good
No team ever gets recruitment 100% which is fine, but I'm with you that our recruitment left a lot of holes in our team and it was going to be an upwards battle. I'll never get the Iwobi deal, I can't imagine why teams would want him on a free let alone sign up to a deal that could cost 35 million, I honestly think its up there as one of  the worst deals in the history of Everton and while I've got eyes in my head no graph will make me think different

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 13, 2020, 03:04:42 AM
Lampard obviously didnít have the talent of a zidane or pirlo but his goal scoring numbers were amazing. Think that makes him elite in all be it a different way. Think his international record has to be separate. Not the same player internationally but Messi and Ronaldo arenít either. I think Lampard is an elite at club level

Messi has 70 goals & 48 assists in 138 int'l games. Ronaldo has 99 goals & 40 assists in 164 games. Poor examples.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Verm on July 13, 2020, 03:06:26 AM
Our issues with recruitment far pre-date Brands.

The problems have been the massive amount of money spent on the likes of Pickford, Keane, Bolasie, Tosun, Walcott, Sigurdsson, Niasse, Schneiderlin etc.

Brands is here to build for the long term, to jump on him so soon seems crazy for me, especially when he hasn't really signed a "flop" yet (bar maybe Iwobi).
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 03:10:48 AM
Messi has 70 goals & 48 assists in 138 int'l games. Ronaldo has 99 goals & 40 assists in 164 games. Poor examples.

Ronaldo also won Euro Ď16 with Portugal and drove them on, all at the age of 52.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 03:11:32 AM
Lampard obviously didnít have the talent of a zidane or pirlo but his goal scoring numbers were amazing. Think that makes him elite in all be it a different way. Think his international record has to be separate. Not the same player internationally but Messi and Ronaldo arenít either. I think Lampard is an elite at club level

Ronaldo won Euro Ď16 with Portugal and was their driving force, all at the age of 52.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 13, 2020, 03:22:27 AM
Ronaldo won Euro Ď16 with Portugal and was their driving force, all at the age of 52.

I think he was talking about today's Ronaldo, but who knows any more with him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 03:23:51 AM
I think he was talking about today's Ronaldo, but who knows any more with him.

This was ďtodayís RonaldoĒ.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 13, 2020, 03:26:02 AM
This was ďtodayís RonaldoĒ.

Well he wasn't 52 in 2016 lol. Prob just a typo, you meant 32 perhaps.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 03:29:21 AM
Well he wasn't 52 in 2016 lol. Prob just a typo, you meant 32 perhaps.

Yeah, he was.

Heís about 63, now.


(Obviously I knew that Cristiano Ronaldo wasnít, or indeed isnít 52; I was using hyperbole, dude, mainly because someone in their 30ís in football years is about 50 in human years, like dogs & cats. It wasnít a typo, just a liddlebidda humour. Plus, Portugal was the giveaway)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 13, 2020, 03:31:19 AM
Yeah, he was.

Heís about 63, now.


(Obviously I knew that Cristiano Ronaldo wasnít, or indeed isnít 52; I was using hyperbole, dude, mainly because someone in their 30ís in football years is about 50 in human years, like dogs & cats. It wasnít a typo, just a liddlebidda humour. Plus, Portugal was the giveaway)

Honestly if you read enough of KNT's posts you can't tell fact from fiction any longer. :cheers:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 03:33:54 AM
Honestly if you read enough of KNT's posts you can't tell fact from fiction any longer. :cheers:

KNT is divisive, for me, as I may be for him; Sometimes I wholeheartedly agree with 10 posts of his in a row, only to then disagree with the next flurry. We are all spitballing and winging it on here, really.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on July 13, 2020, 03:47:15 AM
Our issues with recruitment far pre-date Brands.

The problems have been the massive amount of money spent on the likes of Pickford, Keane, Bolasie, Tosun, Walcott, Sigurdsson, Niasse, Schneiderlin etc.

Brands is here to build for the long term, to jump on him so soon seems crazy for me, especially when he hasn't really signed a "flop" yet (bar maybe Iwobi).

Big issue is just not signing players who play in the positions we need them. Remember that season we ended up with loads of number 10s. Was weird that
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 13, 2020, 03:48:08 AM
Messi has 70 goals & 48 assists in 138 int'l games. Ronaldo has 99 goals & 40 assists in 164 games. Poor examples.

Neither have ever scored in a knock out round of a World Cup. Their club form is mills ahead of their international performances 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 13, 2020, 03:55:15 AM
Honestly if you read enough of KNT's posts you can't tell fact from fiction any longer. :cheers:

Youíre a smug sneering cunt. Iíll be honest with you. Iím not keen.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 13, 2020, 03:59:33 AM
Neither have ever scored in a knock out round of a World Cup. Their club form is mills ahead of their international performances

Their club form is massively inflated by playing against Espanyol, etc. Of course not saying they're not both legendary, but it's such a hugely false misnomer that they're in some way poor(er) on the int'l stage.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 13, 2020, 03:59:59 AM
Youíre a smug sneering cunt. Iíll be honest with you. Iím not keen.

And you're a miserable old cunt. I'll be honest with you. I'm not keen.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 13, 2020, 04:02:24 AM
Their club form is massively inflated by playing against Espanyol, etc. Of course not saying they're not both legendary, but it's such a hugely false misnomer that they're in some way poor(er) on the int'l stage.

Thereís not a side in la Liga who are worse than 50% of them in European qualifying groups
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 13, 2020, 04:02:55 AM
And you're a miserable old cunt. I'll be honest with you. I'm not keen.

Maybe weíd be better off not chatting. Might give us both more enjoyment
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 04:03:51 AM
Big issue is just not signing players who play in the positions we need them. Remember that season we ended up with loads of number 10s. Was weird that

Koeman & Walsh, ladies and gentleman.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 13, 2020, 04:07:53 AM
Maybe weíd be better off not chatting. Might give us both more enjoyment

Use the ignore feature if you don't like. k bye
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 13, 2020, 04:09:44 AM
Use the ignore feature if you don't like. k bye

I canít bloody find it. Been looking for it for ages.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 13, 2020, 04:14:38 AM
I canít bloody find it. Been looking for it for ages.

Click the little downward arrow next to your username upper right corner. Forum Profile > Modify Profile > Buddies/Ignore List.

Don't say I never did anything for you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2020, 04:44:31 AM
I canít bloody find it. Been looking for it for ages.
Click the little downward arrow next to your username upper right corner. Forum Profile > Modify Profile > Buddies/Ignore List.

Don't say I never did anything for you.

This made me a bit sad.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 13, 2020, 05:17:19 AM
This made me a bit sad.

I thought it was pretty funny, lol
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: markB on July 14, 2020, 06:40:49 AM
this has to be one hell of a window for Brands as for me the last 2 summer windows are  now looking so bad

4 players there you could see going they are that bad for the money we paid

Mina - who did he stop us signing (KZ)

Bernard - are we sure he is form Brazil (ok free but on some wage)

Alex Iwobi - 35 fucking mill

Kean - 30 fucking mill

and panic signing 2 sick notes 25m and 8 mill to play CM (that was the money we sold Gana for wasted )

he is not doing any better for this 1st team than the P.E man did  (but we got good money for the players he did sign ) (3 young players all sold for profit and Gana )

i think its 48 or 52 mill MADE for them 4 being sold thats not bad going for a P.E teacher
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Verm on July 14, 2020, 07:14:02 AM
this has to be one hell of a window for Brands as for me the last 2 summer windows are  now looking so bad

4 players there you could see going they are that bad for the money we paid

Mina - who did he stop us signing (KZ)

Bernard - are we sure he is form Brazil (ok free but on some wage)

Alex Iwobi - 35 fucking mill

Kean - 30 fucking mill

and panic signing 2 sick notes 25m and 8 mill to play CM (that was the money we sold Gana for wasted )

he is not doing any better for this 1st team than the P.E man did  (but we got good money for the players he did sign ) (3 young players all sold for profit and Gana )

i think its 48 or 52 mill MADE for them 4 being sold thats not bad going for a P.E teacher


Mina didn't stop us signing Zouma, Chelsea not wanting to sell him did.

Bernard was a free transfer and whilst he hasn't exactly been great he's not a terrible player to have around the squad, especially on a free.

Shocking how many people have quickly forgotten how good Gomes was before the injury.

Kean is a young lad in a new country who still hasn't even had a run of games to show what he can do, to judge him on how very little we've seen is ridiculous. If he's not shown more this time next year then fair enough but young players need time.

Iwobi was clearly a panic buy in a position we needed more strength which suggests we struggled to secure big targets. I'm not sold on him either but I've seen enough to at least give him the benefit of the doubt for now (far bigger problems)

Delph is the only one I'd agree with you on but even then on paper at the time £8m for someone who was seen as an experienced "leader" (hasn't worked out like that but we didn't know better at the time) is peanuts.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Shogun on July 14, 2020, 07:53:33 AM
Apart from Delph who is £8m wasted, despite the hyperbole, none of Brands' signings have been a lost cause.

- Bernard will be sold for a profit, if he's ever sold.
- Gomes if sold would likely return a similar fee to what we bought him for. Besides that, he's a decent squad option even if you don't think he's all that good.
- Iwobi is 24 and has plenty of time to improve. Expensive, holy fuck yes, but if this was the best version of him then he wouldn't have made it as a premier league footballer. Another season under his belt and if he's still not good enough then ship him to West Ham for £20m worst case scenario.
- Richarlison. Sell him tomorrow and we'd more than double our money.
- Kean is 20. Like Richarlison we spent big on someone with massive potential. He's got bundles of time on his side to raise his value and he's that young that plenty would take a punt on him even if we did decide to cut our losses.
- Mina has been a pretty average signing so far, mostly due to injuries, but he's a good enough player for us.
- Digne would command a healthy profit.
- Gbamin is just unfortunate, there was no way of knowing that these injuries would come because they're not recurrences. We could end up stuck with him until 2024 but it's just one of those things. He may well recover fully and become integral during that time.

It's better than Walsh spending money on players who are in their late 20s and/or not good enough that we make a loss on every single one. Klaassen, Sandro, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Tosun, Bolasie, Williams, Schneiderlin. Brands' signings make so much more sense from a business perspective.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 14, 2020, 12:56:09 PM
Itís false economy talking about making a profit on Bernard when weíve had to pay him 25m for very little. Actually think thereís no chance of even a couple of million. No one will be daft enough to pay him what we do. Heíll go on a free
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 14, 2020, 01:26:48 PM
It's false economy talking about making a profit on Bernard when we've had to pay him 25m for very little. Actually think there's no chance of even a couple of million. No one will be daft enough to pay him what we do. He'll go on a free
How do you work that out? Been here 2 years ago his wages would've been about 13 million, unless we gave him 12 million signing on fee?

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 14, 2020, 02:20:49 PM
How do you work that out? Been here 2 years ago his wages would've been about 13 million, unless we gave him 12 million signing on fee?

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Thought heíd been here 3. Time flies when youíre having fun. Be why it seems like longer. Still be the best part of 20 with the signing on fee and going up while he canít get into the premier leagues most disfunctional midfield
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on July 14, 2020, 02:24:24 PM
Thought heíd been here 3. Time flies when youíre having fun. Be why it seems like longer. Still be the best part of 20 with the signing on fee and going up while he canít get into the premier leagues most disfunctional midfield

These were rumoured to be his demands so id expect us to be around that with signing on fee:

'According to Record, Bernard is demanding Ä10m just as a signing prize. In terms of wages, he wants Ä3m net per season.'

Either way you look at it I think we've got more chance of recouping the 15-20 million on him compared to the astronomical fee and wages we've paid for others that are on our books still failing
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on July 14, 2020, 02:28:52 PM
All this 'has to be a great window' it doesn't 'have' to be. We WANT it to be - maybe even need it to be a bit - but the cold hard facts are money, FFP, Covid and more.

This is Carlo's first window. He's no mug. He'll be involved. Between Don Carlo and Big Marcel, I think we'll see a difference this window. Not the overhaul that some people unreasonably seem to expect - we aren't going to buy Barcelona's midfield and sell all ours to Sunderland. But I do expect us to see a difference. Also - practically no pre-season this year, which considering some of our recent starts might be no bad thing - but I expect to see slow and painful progress from how we play at the start of next season to how well we play by the end. January might be interesting though!

My prediction/fervent prayer:

This window we see a difference.
Next season we see progress and maybe an interesting upturn in January window but ultimately, finishing stronger, better drilled and with more confidence. Carlo's revolution has begun
Next summer - some more key moves in and out and everyone is now jumping on the Brands/Ancelotti bandwagon.

It's not gonna be this window folks, it just isn't. Realistically - I think that what I put above is the best possible timeframe we can hope for and even then, I might be being a tad over-optimistic because, you know, shit happens.

Anyways - don't worry about it - you got this - you're strong - you're Blues - embrace the pain!   :hug:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: schleffera on July 14, 2020, 02:52:50 PM
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There are some OK signings but the 'positives' you list I'm not sure. Vlasic and Rooney get in this side, AC Milan want Browning and the rest were either loaned out until their contract expired or sold ridiculously cheap. It's a massive summer for him either way, I think he has a long way to go to justify half of the hype of I'm honest
When you factor in the amount he's spent and the state we're in, it's pretty poor
I dont get why Moshiri even changed the model, our recruitment was actually decent before Brands and Walsh arrived, who was in charge of that?


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 14, 2020, 07:39:34 PM
this has to be one hell of a window for Brands as for me the last 2 summer windows are  now looking so bad

4 players there you could see going they are that bad for the money we paid

Mina - who did he stop us signing (KZ)

Bernard - are we sure he is form Brazil (ok free but on some wage)

Alex Iwobi - 35 fucking mill

Kean - 30 fucking mill

and panic signing 2 sick notes 25m and 8 mill to play CM (that was the money we sold Gana for wasted )

he is not doing any better for this 1st team than the P.E man did  (but we got good money for the players he did sign ) (3 young players all sold for profit and Gana )

i think its 48 or 52 mill MADE for them 4 being sold thats not bad going for a P.E teacher

You're the best.

Iwobi - 27 fucking mill

Kean - 23 fucking mill

Your comments about Mina, Bernard, and Gbamin are so fucking stupid we can just ignore them.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 14, 2020, 07:44:55 PM
Carlo: been here for 7 1/2 months, 1 window (that doesn't count). 100% of the team he inherited was bought for Martinez's, Koemann's, Allardyce's, or Silva's teams. This summer will be the first true window Carlo will have a say in crafting the team to match his vision.

Brands: BETTER FIX EVERYTHING IN THE SUMMER OR ELSE.

Come on, peeps.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: markB on July 14, 2020, 11:16:12 PM
You're the best.

Iwobi - 27 fucking mill

Kean - 23 fucking mill

Your comments about Mina, Bernard, and Gbamin are so fucking stupid we can just ignore them.

fee that wee could end up paying and signing fee

Gbamin and Delph were panic buys 1st one was coming back form bad injury and the other is a sick note

Mina is not all that and we could have gotten KZ that summer
Bernard James Mcgeedy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 14, 2020, 11:20:56 PM
fee that wee could end up paying and signing fee

Gbamin and Delph were panic buys 1st one was coming back form bad injury and the other is a sick note

Mina is not all that and we could have gotten KZ that summer
Bernard James Mcgeedy

I think Mina is at the very least comparable to zouma.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 14, 2020, 11:41:21 PM
fee that wee could end up paying and signing fee

Gbamin and Delph were panic buys 1st one was coming back form bad injury and the other is a sick note

Mina is not all that and we could have gotten KZ that summer
Bernard James Mcgeedy

Your comment about Gbamin specifically, is asinine.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 14, 2020, 11:54:08 PM
I forgot how mad this forum gets when thereís no covid to distract people.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on July 15, 2020, 02:25:24 AM
fee that wee could end up paying and signing fee

Gbamin and Delph were panic buys 1st one was coming back form bad injury and the other is a sick note

Mina is not all that and we could have gotten KZ that summer
Bernard James Mcgeedy

In what world was Gbamin a panic buy? Bizarre thing to say.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 15, 2020, 03:27:08 AM
In what world was Gbamin a panic buy? Bizarre thing to say.

He also wasn't coming back from a bad injury. SMFH
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: markB on July 15, 2020, 04:46:06 AM
In what world was Gbamin a panic buy? Bizarre thing to say.

why buy a player that is out injured the same one that came back after 1 1/2 games for us
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: markB on July 15, 2020, 04:50:47 AM
He also wasn't coming back from a bad injury. SMFH

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jean-philippe-gbamin/verletzungen/spieler/182894

been having the same sort of injury for years its was going to pop at some point
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2020, 05:00:14 AM
why buy a player that is out injured the same one that came back after 1 1/2 games for us

The fuck are you on about?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 15, 2020, 05:32:00 AM
why buy a player that is out injured the same one that came back after 1 1/2 games for us

It's really not worth discussing this with you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Undisputed_blue on July 15, 2020, 06:24:53 AM
Carlo: been here for 7 1/2 months, 1 window (that doesn't count). 100% of the team he inherited was bought for Martinez's, Koemann's, Allardyce's, or Silva's teams. This summer will be the first true window Carlo will have a say in crafting the team to match his vision.

Brands: BETTER FIX EVERYTHING IN THE SUMMER OR ELSE.

Come on, peeps.

Will take Brands at least a couple of seasons before he can fix the mess created by previous managers. That's the reality each time we change a manager.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on July 15, 2020, 02:26:44 PM
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jean-philippe-gbamin/verletzungen/spieler/182894

been having the same sort of injury for years its was going to pop at some point


No according to that he's had various short term injuries to various muscles as any player would.  Honestly what are you going on about 😂
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: markB on July 15, 2020, 02:50:13 PM
No according to that he's had various short term injuries to various muscles as any player would.  Honestly what are you going on about 😂

ffs all the same sort problems with his Thigh Muscle for 2 years before we signed him the big one Pulled hamstring at the adductors comes form the problems he was having for 2 years with his Thigh Muscle now 3 years and we still do not know if its all good now as he is out for 9 more weeks or so

I am done talking about this I see it as a bad signing and it would not happen at other clubs both him and FD

they had 20 weeks to get a DM player in and we got not one but 2 sick notes and FD had not really played in DM in any long runs any run of games he got at Man C was LB spot

Really loving this DoF model

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 15, 2020, 02:56:28 PM
OK FU DH
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on July 15, 2020, 03:07:28 PM
@markB (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6989)  you make out like he was Daniel Sturridge or something prior to us signing him... He missed a few weeks here and there over the previous few seasons, literally nothing on that list would suggest to anyone his thigh would fall off.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
ffs all the same sort problems with his Thigh Muscle for 2 years before we signed him the big one Pulled hamstring at the adductors comes form the problems he was having for 2 years with his Thigh Muscle now 3 years and we still do not know if its all good now as he is out for 9 more weeks or so

I am done talking about this I see it as a bad signing and it would not happen at other clubs both him and FD

they had 20 weeks to get a DM player in and we got not one but 2 sick notes and FD had not really played in DM in any long runs any run of games he got at Man C was LB spot

Really loving this DoF model



I went blue reading this.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on July 15, 2020, 04:52:28 PM
I went blue reading this.
I thought you already were


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on July 15, 2020, 05:42:37 PM
Will take Brands at least a couple of seasons before he can fix the mess created by previous managers. That's the reality each time we change a manager.

I'm sure that was said the moment he walked in the door too.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2020, 06:47:20 PM
Fully understand that the esk is something of a persona non Grata round these parts, and I don't 100% agree with everything here, Roger especially is v dramatic throughout, but it does feature elpivote who I tend to back, and most of all is an hour on Everton which I'm always happy to spend

https://shows.acast.com/the-esk-podcasts/episodes/the-esk-podcasts-episode-3-marcel-brands
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 15, 2020, 08:06:13 PM
Fully understand that the esk is something of a persona non Grata round these parts, and I don't 100% agree with everything here, Roger especially is v dramatic throughout, but it does feature elpivote who I tend to back, and most of all is an hour on Everton which I'm always happy to spend

https://shows.acast.com/the-esk-podcasts/episodes/the-esk-podcasts-episode-3-marcel-brands

Andy's great. Fabulous knowledge of talent throughout Europe.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on July 15, 2020, 08:34:52 PM
Fully understand that the esk is something of a persona non Grata round these parts, and I don't 100% agree with everything here, Roger especially is v dramatic throughout, but it does feature elpivote who I tend to back, and most of all is an hour on Everton which I'm always happy to spend

https://shows.acast.com/the-esk-podcasts/episodes/the-esk-podcasts-episode-3-marcel-brands

Cheers Brap. Listening to this now
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on July 15, 2020, 08:42:13 PM
Fully understand that the esk is something of a persona non Grata round these parts, and I don't 100% agree with everything here, Roger especially is v dramatic throughout, but it does feature elpivote who I tend to back, and most of all is an hour on Everton which I'm always happy to spend

https://shows.acast.com/the-esk-podcasts/episodes/the-esk-podcasts-episode-3-marcel-brands

That Roger guy moaning about giving Moise Kean year a 5 year deal, WTF? Does he want to give young players 1 year contracts?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2020, 08:44:07 PM
That Roger guy moaning about giving Moise Kean year a 5 year deal, WTF? Does he want to give young players 1 year contracts?

Yeah massively disagreed with that bit myself.

Andy does explain a little bit on re: give younger players longer contracts to protect investment, give older players shorter contracts to prevent waste.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on July 15, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
Yeah that Andy is much more level headed

It's Football Manager(TM) 101 that old players get shorter contracts and young players get longer contracts
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2020, 08:50:04 PM
I'd rather eat my own eyes than give my time to anything "the esk" puts his name to, the fuckin danger. Sorry @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2020, 08:50:46 PM
I'd rather eat my own eyes than give my time to anything "the esk" puts his name to, the fuckin danger. Sorry @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666)

That's okay my G, not advocating agreeing with him
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: markB on July 16, 2020, 08:10:54 AM
@markB (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6989)  you make out like he was Daniel Sturridge or something prior to us signing him... He missed a few weeks here and there over the previous few seasons, literally nothing on that list would suggest to anyone his thigh would fall off.

its clear to see its been the same injury over and over again you would think we would wait and  see if it is fixed before signing him his name came out of the blue we were looking at others why then did we go for a player that could not start the 1st games

110 days with the same sort of injury on the same leg at the same spot thats 15 weeks not a few and then add up the in squad but not played

makes you wonder what this injury is that he is other with this time

I dont like it but we got sold a wooden one
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on July 16, 2020, 02:59:53 PM
its clear to see its been the same injury over and over again you would think we would wait and  see if it is fixed before signing him his name came out of the blue we were looking at others why then did we go for a player that could not start the 1st games

110 days with the same sort of injury on the same leg at the same spot thats 15 weeks not a few and then add up the in squad but not played

makes you wonder what this injury is that he is other with this time

I dont like it but we got sold a wooden one

Missed 21 days one season, 67 the next.

Nothing particularly alarming in that.  You make out like he had an injury that kept him out multiple times and for long periods.... His first occurrence saw him out for three weeks,.

Yes the next occurrence was 2 months but that doesn't suggest he has a long term problem, it's entirely feasible for a player to tweak the same muscle more than once.

If he'd been out for three months and 6 months with that same injury fair enough....but one of the two occurances was just 3 weeks.

 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on July 16, 2020, 03:59:01 PM
Aside from the 5 year contract thing, I quite enjoyed Roger Armstrong going in hard. Difficult to disagree with a lot of what he said.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2020, 12:07:19 AM
Didnít realise George Hirst went to Leicester.

Thatís three highly rated youngsters that we supposedly looked at, in Maddison, Justin, and Hirst, who all ended up going there.

The sooner Brands is Ďallowedí to revamp our youth and Under 23 set up, the better.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2020, 01:04:15 AM
Didn’t realise George Hirst went to Leicester.

That’s three highly rated youngsters that we supposedly looked at, in Maddison, Justin, and Hirst, who all ended up going there.

The sooner Brands is ‘allowed’ to revamp our youth and Under 23 set up, the better.

Hirst went to Leicester's feeder club in Belgium first too I think.

Smart club who've rode through some stinkers by keeping the hits coming. Mahrez, Kante, Gray, Maddison, Pereira, Kelechi, Soyuncu..
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2020, 02:01:10 AM
Hirst went to Leicester's feeder club in Belgium first too I think.

Smart club who've rode through some stinkers by keeping the hits coming. Mahrez, Kante, Gray, Maddison, Pereira, Kelechi, Soyuncu..

Yeah, he did.

They should be a reachable model for us to copy.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on July 20, 2020, 05:00:56 AM
Didn't realise George Hirst went to Leicester.

That's three highly rated youngsters that we supposedly looked at, in Maddison, Justin, and Hirst, who all ended up going there.

The sooner Brands is "allowed' to revamp our youth and Under 23 set up, the better.
Maybe we could poach their chief scout...


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2020, 05:10:41 AM
Maybe we could poach their chief scout...


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 20, 2020, 06:09:09 AM
Maybe we could poach their chief scout...


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 30, 2020, 04:03:40 PM
Just watching the documentary on him while I work here.

Nice, calming.

Give him the keys and let him build Farhad.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 30, 2020, 04:21:05 PM
Just watching the documentary on him while I work here.

Nice, calming.

Give him the keys and let him build Farhad.

Phwoar, tell you what if you need some positivity it's just the ticket.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 30, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
Phwoar, tell you what if you need some positivity it's just the ticket.

Is it the sky one that had his brother etc in it?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 30, 2020, 05:24:47 PM
I like the fact he was decisive about Dowell. He wouldíve seen plenty of him whilst out on loan and there was no need to bring him back and ďlet Carlo have a look at him during preseasonĒ. Heís not good enough so he was moved on. No sentimentality.


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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on July 30, 2020, 06:52:56 PM
Also gives us an idea of where the benchmark is set for squad players.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 07:11:29 PM
Phwoar, tell you what if you need some positivity it's just the ticket.

Where can I see this?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on July 30, 2020, 07:14:33 PM
Where can I see this?

The youtubes
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 07:15:27 PM
The youtubes

Gracias. I forgot about it and have yet to see it. #ashamed
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on July 30, 2020, 07:57:14 PM
Common misconception about Ancelotti is that he doesn't buy young. But that's not true. Check this out from El Pivote

https://twitter.com/elpivoteftbl/status/1288488372529487873
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 30, 2020, 11:54:04 PM
So he basically buys over 25s when theyíre boss footy players and key members of the squad. Nice to see.

I hate it when I get excited about the blues, they just let me down constantly.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 31, 2020, 01:12:59 AM
Can't believe Brands hasn't landed KDB yet. What, he decided to take a week off?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on August 11, 2020, 04:59:02 PM
Can't believe Brands hasn't landed KDB yet. What, he decided to take a week off?

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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Verm on August 25, 2020, 09:02:06 PM
I'm still firmly behind giving him more time but I've started to wonder what it is he actually does.

I thought when we brought him in it would mean putting a stronger emphasis on trying to unearth hidden gems and sniffing out some young future stars from lesser leagues abroad like he seems to have done at his last job.

However it seems like every player we've been linked with is either an already established name or someone who he or Ancelotti has previously worked with.

As I say still very much in the give him more time to build camp but I can understand skepticism.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Crackling on August 25, 2020, 09:29:03 PM
I'm still firmly behind giving him more time but I've started to wonder what it is he actually does.

I thought when we brought him in it would mean putting a stronger emphasis on trying to unearth hidden gems and sniffing out some young future stars from lesser leagues abroad like he seems to have done at his last job.

However it seems like every player we've been linked with is either an already established name or someone who he or Ancelotti has previously worked with.

As I say still very much in the give him more time to build camp but I can understand skepticism.
Think part of the problem is that we as a fanbase, decided on the remit he would have, based on what he did in Holland.
But we're a bigger club, in a bit of a mess, in a different league.

I think most of us expected it would take a lot of time to sort things out and 2-3 years seemed reasonable to see real change. But 2 years down the line seems like it has been an eternity.

We had one of the youngest squads in the Premier League last season, so the lowering of age is being worked on.
We hear that young players with promise (Gibson and Braithwaite) have sat down and had their progression mapped out.
We've changed the scouting network.
We've lowered the wage bill.

I think he appears to be doing a decent job, but it is taking longer to see the benefits that we would all like.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 25, 2020, 09:40:37 PM
I'm still firmly behind giving him more time but I've started to wonder what it is he actually does.

I thought when we brought him in it would mean putting a stronger emphasis on trying to unearth hidden gems and sniffing out some young future stars from lesser leagues abroad like he seems to have done at his last job.

However it seems like every player we've been linked with is either an already established name or someone who he or Ancelotti has previously worked with.

As I say still very much in the give him more time to build camp but I can understand skepticism.

I think the switch from Silva to Ancelotti called for a nuclear audible and pretty much erased the previous 18 months. The goal and longterm vision likely hasn't changed, but now it's 18 mos. later and there is more pressure on the club to move forward quickly, not re-start an entire 5-year plan from scratch again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 25, 2020, 10:12:26 PM
I'm still firmly behind giving him more time but I've started to wonder what it is he actually does.

I thought when we brought him in it would mean putting a stronger emphasis on trying to unearth hidden gems and sniffing out some young future stars from lesser leagues abroad like he seems to have done at his last job.

However it seems like every player we've been linked with is either an already established name or someone who he or Ancelotti has previously worked with.

As I say still very much in the give him more time to build camp but I can understand skepticism.

Nowt wrong with us signing established names if they prove to be more valuable to the team than the fees we pay. Think the problem is heís signed established names who have often done poorly so far
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on August 25, 2020, 10:16:39 PM
Seems a good time for us all to re-read this article @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) posted last year, and take a deep breath:
https://www.planetfootball.com/in-depth/logic-and-a-long-term-view-how-marcel-brands-has-got-everton-back-on-track/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 25, 2020, 10:17:40 PM
Nowt wrong with us signing established names if they prove to be more valuable to the team than the fees we pay. Think the problem is heís signed established names who have often done poorly so far

Which established names has he signed besides Delph?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 25, 2020, 10:43:22 PM
I saw this on another site, but it was quite a good idea. I think Amazon or Netflix should do a behind the scenes, warts and all documentary on us. The club that spent over half a billion pounds to go from 11th to 12th in the Prem.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on August 25, 2020, 10:48:28 PM
I saw this on another site, but it was quite a good idea. I think Amazon or Netflix should do a behind the scenes, warts and all documentary on us. The club that spent over half a billion pounds to go from 11th to 12th in the Prem.

You mean like 'All or Nothing'?

I think there's just a slight title tweak and it's ready to go.

Introducing the new Amazon Prime show...

'All for Nothing'
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 25, 2020, 10:51:58 PM
Which established names has he signed besides Delph?

Surely weíd have to say Mina iwobi Gomes and Bernard were all pretty established rather than finds
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 25, 2020, 10:52:38 PM
You mean like 'All or Nothing'?

I think there's just a slight title tweak and it's ready to go.

Introducing the new Amazon Prime show...

'All for Nothing'

I was thinking "Nothing and well, still Nothing."
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 25, 2020, 10:53:40 PM
Surely weíd have to say Mina iwobi Gomes and Bernard were all pretty established rather than finds

You think? Maybe Mina & Gomes, I don't know if too many would say 22-year-old Iwobi was 'established.' Bernard definitely not unless you followed Ukrainian footy.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on August 25, 2020, 10:55:39 PM
You think? Maybe Mina & Gomes, I don't know if too many would say 22-year-old Iwobi was 'established.' Bernard definitely not unless you followed Ukrainian footy.

Bernard was well known for Brazil, and was very much a young player to watch when he came on the scene.

Iwobi was 23 when we got him, and now 24.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Verm on August 25, 2020, 10:57:29 PM
Which established names has he signed besides Delph?

Richarlison was a regular premier league player.

Iwobi was at Arsenal.

Digne, Gomes and Mina all at least had some kind of profile and came from one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Bernard is a former Brazil International.

Moise Kean was developing a profile (hence the apparent surprise we got him).
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 25, 2020, 11:00:36 PM
Richarlison was a regular premier league player.

Iwobi was at Arsenal.

Digne, Gomes and Mina all at least had some kind of profile and came from one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Bernard is a former Brazil International.

Moise Kean was developing a profile (hence the apparent surprise we got him).

Yeah I was asking KNT which established players Brands signed that haven't worked out. Delph being the only 1 I could possibly agree with. I didn't really consider Bernard established, but ok, he'd be someone who hasn't quite panned out either.

Not sure how anyone could say Mina/Gomes/Iwobi/Kean haven't panned out yet, either because they've been plenty good enough more often than not (Mina/Gomes) or haven't even been here 10 minutes yet (Iwobi/Kean).

Digne & Richy obviously wouldn't count.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Verm on August 25, 2020, 11:02:21 PM
Think part of the problem is that we as a fanbase, decided on the remit he would have, based on what he did in Holland.
But we're a bigger club, in a bit of a mess, in a different league.

I think most of us expected it would take a lot of time to sort things out and 2-3 years seemed reasonable to see real change. But 2 years down the line seems like it has been an eternity.

We had one of the youngest squads in the Premier League last season, so the lowering of age is being worked on.
We hear that young players with promise (Gibson and Braithwaite) have sat down and had their progression mapped out.
We've changed the scouting network.
We've lowered the wage bill.

I think he appears to be doing a decent job, but it is taking longer to see the benefits that we would all like.

That's fair.

Did we really have one of the youngest squads?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Verm on August 25, 2020, 11:03:38 PM
Yeah I was asking KNT which established players Brands signed that haven't worked out. Delph being the only 1 I could possibly agree with. I didn't really consider Bernard established, but ok, he'd be someone who hasn't quite panned out either.

Not sure how anyone could say Mina/Gomes/Iwobi/Kean haven't panned out yet, either because they've been plenty good enough more often than not (Mina/Gomes) or haven't even been here 10 minutes yet (Iwobi/Kean).

Digne & Richy obviously wouldn't count.

Wouldn't go as far as to say any of them haven't panned out but Mina's injuries and Iwobi's form are a little concerning.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 25, 2020, 11:03:45 PM
You think? Maybe Mina & Gomes, I don't know if too many would say 22-year-old Iwobi was 'established.' Bernard definitely not unless you followed Ukrainian footy.

Bernard was quite a big name. Spent years being linked with top teams, played 14 times for Brazil including in a world cup semi final. He seemed a great signing when we got him

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 25, 2020, 11:06:59 PM
Wouldn't go as far as to say any of them haven't panned out but Mina's injuries and Iwobi's form are a little concerning.

Would agree most of all re: Iwobi. Still early days for me, though this is the year he has to improve or I'm with you.

Not sure how much you can blame injuries really. Gomes and Gbamin haven't panned out either then. Sure sometimes injury history - esp. of recurring injuries - can be a red flag but that's why a player has to pass a physical. If Mina was a high injury risk player and we signed him anyway, that's on our med team, not Brands.

Bernard was quite a big name. Spent years being linked with top teams, played 14 times for Brazil including in a world cup semi final. He seemed a great signing when we got him



Fair. So him & Delph then.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 25, 2020, 11:07:08 PM
I think thereís plenty you can say havenít worked out yet. Obviously that could change but I think a fair few of us would be happy with our money back on some of Gomes iwobi kean and even Bernard (on a free)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 25, 2020, 11:08:28 PM
I think thereís plenty you can say havenít worked out yet. Obviously that could change but I think a fair few of us would be happy with our money back on some of Gomes iwobi kean and even Bernard (on a free)

A few maybe. Not a fair few.

But I respectfully request to resume this conversation in June 2021. haha
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Verm on August 25, 2020, 11:08:53 PM
Would agree most of all re: Iwobi. Still early days for me, though this is the year he has to improve or I'm with you.

Not sure how much you can blame injuries really. Gomes and Gbamin haven't panned out either then. Sure sometimes injury history - esp. of recurring injuries - can be a red flag but that's why a player has to pass a physical. If Mina was a high injury risk player and we signed him anyway, that's on our med team, not Brands.

Fair. So him & Delph then.

Don't pin Mina's injuries on anyone at all but it remains a concern as far as his success here goes.

Honestly had completely forgotten Gbamin existed.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 25, 2020, 11:21:09 PM
A few maybe. Not a fair few.

But I respectfully request to resume this conversation in June 2021. haha

Iím actually still hopeful on iwobi and Mina. Plus I think Delph might have a decent season as well. Our signings have been disappointing so far though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 25, 2020, 11:22:30 PM
Iím actually still hopeful on iwobi and Mina. Plus I think Delph might have a decent season as well. Our signings have been disappointing so far though

It's very hard to argue that, because if they'd been better - collectively perhaps, if not individually - we'd be a lot better than a 12th place side.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Crackling on August 25, 2020, 11:41:02 PM
That's fair.

Did we really have one of the youngest squads?
Yeah, 26.0 according to this

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/ranking-all-20-premier-league-clubs-by-the-average-age-of-their-squad/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Verm on August 25, 2020, 11:51:09 PM
Yeah, 26.0 according to this

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/ranking-all-20-premier-league-clubs-by-the-average-age-of-their-squad/

That's surprising, learned something new today..
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 26, 2020, 12:58:29 AM
That's surprising, learned something new today..

We donít have many old players. Decent amount in the 28-31 range on high wages which is our biggest problem.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on August 26, 2020, 02:24:53 AM
Mina is our best centre half btw
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 26, 2020, 02:43:11 AM
Mina is our best centre half btw

Definitely but worth the fee and wages given his been injured quite a lot?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 26, 2020, 02:44:37 AM
Mina is our best centre half btw
Not necessarily a positive.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on August 26, 2020, 02:45:25 AM
I saw this on another site, but it was quite a good idea. I think Amazon or Netflix should do a behind the scenes, warts and all documentary on us. The club that spent over half a billion pounds to go from 11th to 12th in the Prem.

Kenwright is probably turning this into his next musical.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Verm on August 26, 2020, 02:57:53 AM
Mina is our best centre half btw

A back handed compliment if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 26, 2020, 03:02:09 AM
Mina is our best centre half btw

One injury free season out of him and heís making a big move.

Heís brilliant imo
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluenose 91 on August 26, 2020, 03:10:44 AM
Is he actually even injured that often?

Sure I read he played 33 games last season and not like we went far in any of the cups.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on August 26, 2020, 04:03:04 AM
Is he actually even injured that often?

Sure I read he played 33 games last season and not like we went far in any of the cups.

29 out of 38 league matches

4 out of 5 cup matches

33 from possible 43 matches
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on August 26, 2020, 04:06:07 AM
I transfer listed Mina on FIFA20, he wasn't happy like, rejected offer's from Valencia, Athletico and Spurs
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 26, 2020, 04:26:10 AM
Is he actually even injured that often?

Sure I read he played 33 games last season and not like we went far in any of the cups.

Yeah, it was his 1st year that was pretty much wasted. Only played 15 games all comps. I think we as a fanbase have lasered in him seeming to often have these niggly little tweaks and such.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 30, 2020, 05:02:21 AM
This fella is poppiní off now heís got a coach like Ancelotti backing him up.

Carlo has asked for a couple of CL level players, one of them flirts with upper CL performances. Looks like heís bagging them for the big man and also low balling their clubs in the process.

Iíve been very vocal about him not clearing out the shite as yet. But maybe heís taken learning from previous windows and is making sure we sign our targets before he sanctions sales?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Up The Toffees on August 30, 2020, 10:13:50 PM
I'm happy to sing his praises if he gets the right signings in, however as of today we still haven't signed anyone or got rid of much of the deadwood.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 31, 2020, 12:41:53 AM
Itís not (currently) a reflection of Brands in terms of any outgoings. If you hand out overweighted salaries and on top of that the player isnít performing, how are you meant to sell that player unless theyíre willing to take what would likely be a hit on their wages?

I donít have much anticipation weíll be selling much of anyone unless the player is really, really desperate for playing time.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on August 31, 2020, 12:48:30 AM
Itís not (currently) a reflection of Brands in terms of any outgoings. If you hand out overweighted salaries and on top of that the player isnít performing, how are you meant to sell that player unless theyíre willing to take what would likely be a hit on their wages?

I donít have much anticipation weíll be selling much of anyone unless the player is really, really desperate for playing time.

They should bring in some sort of rule that if a player is in the last year of their contract, you can pay them off and it not affect your FFP.

Would mean players don't loose out on the money, and clubs can shift them without an impact on their spending ability.

Everyone wins.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on August 31, 2020, 01:04:18 AM
Itís not (currently) a reflection of Brands in terms of any outgoings. If you hand out overweighted salaries and on top of that the player isnít performing, how are you meant to sell that player unless theyíre willing to take what would likely be a hit on their wages?

I donít have much anticipation weíll be selling much of anyone unless the player is really, really desperate for playing time.

Sandro is on nearly £5 million a year, if he had any decency he would give half of that to EITC.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Up The Toffees on August 31, 2020, 01:16:41 AM
Sandro is on nearly £5 million a year, if he had any decency he would give half of that to EITC.

Wont happen and it shouldn't happen in my opinion.  The lad will most probably never get a contract like the one he's on at the moment again and as far as I'm aware he's never sulked or refused to play.   

The reason he doesn't play is that he's just not very good!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 31, 2020, 01:22:57 AM
Sandro is on nearly £5 million a year, if he had any decency he would give half of that to EITC.

You donít really believe he should give half his wages away do you?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on August 31, 2020, 01:26:59 AM
You donít really believe he should give half his wages away do you?

Of course not, was just emphasising the point that he has been literally stealing a wage more-so than any other player since the day Koeman signed him. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on August 31, 2020, 01:29:35 AM
Wont happen and it shouldn't happen in my opinion.  The lad will most probably never get a contract like the one he's on at the moment again and as far as I'm aware he's never sulked or refused to play.   

The reason he doesn't play is that he's just not very good!

You say heís never refused to play ? Heís played for us three times in three years, th