Post by: Ramjam on May 13, 2018, 01:35:29 PM
For me I’d like to see us sign Llorente from Spurs, he’s to good to be sat on their bench and would work well with Siggy as they did at Swansea. With Rooney likely to be off to the USA that would open up the 10 role and allow the partnership to flourish
Post by: Silas on May 13, 2018, 01:39:02 PM
Post by: TheTone on May 13, 2018, 01:49:35 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 13, 2018, 02:07:23 PM
Post by: dunkster on May 13, 2018, 03:04:21 PM
Yeah Llorente would be a good signing. I want more than anything else a creative deep lying midfielder. People talk about the number ten but our attacks are so slow because we don't look to do anything before the half way line that doesn't involve a hopeful punt or random diagonal. Barry had the ability but not the youth. Arteta could do it in his sleep we need someone akin to that
This...(at any cost)
Post by: Goaljira on May 13, 2018, 03:39:06 PM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 13, 2018, 04:00:45 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on May 13, 2018, 04:04:16 PM
Add:
Sessegnon
Tierney
Lascelles
Doucoure
Rodriguez
Choudhury
Traore
Post by: Ramjam on May 13, 2018, 04:11:45 PM
One player? MataMata is actually a really good shout and could work out well for us, strong midfield man with a great passing range.
Add:
Sessegnon
Tierney
Lascelles
Doucoure
Rodriguez
Choudhury
Traore
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 13, 2018, 04:17:06 PM
Post by: Lxxx on May 13, 2018, 04:28:31 PM
So if we had one player who we could realistically sign in the summer who would you want?
For me I’d like to see us sign Llorente from Spurs, he’s to good to be sat on their bench and would work well with Siggy as they did at Swansea. With Rooney likely to be off to the USA that would open up the 10 role and allow the partnership to flourish
I would have said yes to this 12 months ago but we have Tosun who is decent in the air, a great finisher and is approaching his prime.
Much rather have a genuine top drawer midfielder who can spot a pass and turn defence into attack in seconds. I don’t know where we’d find such a player but they are out there somewhere and this is why we have a DoF to oversee the biggest scouting team we’ve ever had.
Post by: TheRam on May 13, 2018, 04:37:30 PM
Post by: blargins on May 13, 2018, 04:47:14 PM
Post by: farnhamtoffee on May 13, 2018, 04:48:16 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 13, 2018, 04:58:52 PM
Mata is actually a really good shout and could work out well for us, strong midfield man with a great passing range.We get completely dominated, physically, in midfield. We need a play-playing tank like Dembele.
Post by: BlueForYou on May 13, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
And wouldn't turn Fabregas away - good call
Post by: brap2 on May 13, 2018, 05:30:00 PM
LB : Tierney
CM : Carvalho (replaces schneiderlin)
CM : Paredes / Torres (replaces rooney)
LW : Ziyech
ST : Correa
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 13, 2018, 07:08:27 PM
Phil Jones
Jack Wilshere
Yaya Toure
Xherdan Shaqiri
Salomon Rondon
Oh you mean Allardyce is leaving? In that case....
Post by: Bluedylan on May 13, 2018, 07:08:28 PM
Post by: gizzblue on May 13, 2018, 07:10:16 PM
CB : ...I'm sure I said this last year about your team picks but pretty much spot on what we need .
LB : Tierney
CM : Carvalho (replaces schneiderlin)
CM : Paredes / Torres (replaces rooney)
LW : Ziyech
ST : Correa
Add to that Lookman back and Bolasie gone it would be a lottery win transfer window .
Post by: GLewis on May 13, 2018, 07:11:47 PM
A centre-mid who can pick the ball up off the defence, turn and carry it 40 yards forward.
One of the annoying things about Gueye when not just defending.
Unlikely to suddenly turn into Pirlo, but if he was more aware of what’s around him/ more positive he should be able to take the ball up the pitch before offloading a simple pass to a forward player.
But yeah our transition of the ball from defence to attack is poor.
Post by: Shogun on May 13, 2018, 07:13:52 PM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 13, 2018, 07:14:43 PM
Post by: Goaljira on May 13, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
Florian Thauvin.
I'd take anyone who sounds like a Game of Thrones character. I'll take any kind of light hearted amusement from Everton at the minute.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 13, 2018, 07:23:08 PM
I'd take anyone who sounds like a Game of Thrones character. I'll take any kind of light hearted amusement from Everton at the minute.
He's one of the Faceless Men from Braavos.
Very hard for defenders to mark.
Post by: TheRam on May 13, 2018, 07:24:41 PM
Lewis Cook
Shout.
Post by: BlueForYou on May 13, 2018, 07:32:17 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on May 13, 2018, 07:37:46 PM
Then in front of him someone who can pass the ball, both in terms of retaining it, and playing probing forward passes when needed, and a box to box monster with more quality on the ball than Gana.
Not necessarily these players but something like
Gana
Doucoure Lewis Cook
Post by: dunkster on May 13, 2018, 08:12:08 PM
The other player is a box to box, pick a pass, turn defence into attack type. I don't believe we possess anyone like that. (I think it's a position fred does for fonseca this season.)
Post by: Mac934 on May 13, 2018, 08:43:18 PM
Post by: brap2 on May 13, 2018, 08:58:17 PM
https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2018/04/20/in-search-of-an-everton-midfielder/
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 13, 2018, 09:32:15 PM
Say we're playing a 4-3-3 next season, I'd really like to see Gana as the deepest of those three midfielders, screening the fuck out of the defence, and laying the ball off to better players.Great shouts. Great balance. And attainable players.
Then in front of him someone who can pass the ball, both in terms of retaining it, and playing probing forward passes when needed, and a box to box monster with more quality on the ball than Gana.
Not necessarily these players but something like
Gana
Doucoure Lewis Cook
Post by: Brownie on May 13, 2018, 09:47:43 PM
Post by: mikey_blue on May 13, 2018, 11:05:41 PM
Working on the fonseca model of the 2 defensive midfielders, one is very defensive, holding player (gana and baningime)
The other player is a box to box, pick a pass, turn defence into attack type. I don't believe we possess anyone like that. (I think it's a position fred does for fonseca this season.)
Do you think Sig could play in that role?
Post by: Topper on May 13, 2018, 11:53:11 PM
Post by: brap2 on May 14, 2018, 12:21:11 AM
Do you think Sig could play in that role?
Think he’s played CM for Iceland but for me his main skill is arriving in/edge of the box and finishing. He’s world class at it. Don’t think he wants on the ball enough to be a box to box cm, and he’s not physically dominating enough.
My opinion anyway ^ wouldn’t be against seeing him in a 3 next year, but would generally prefer Gylfi spend time on the edge of the box.
Post by: D_murph0278 on May 14, 2018, 12:24:17 AM
Sessegnon or Luke Shaw / L.B.
Milinkovic Savic, Lazio / Centre Mid.
Milik, Napoli / C.F.
Add that to a returning Lookman and Sandro. Fuck Williams, Martina, Rooney, and Bolasie off. Bingo!
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 14, 2018, 12:27:19 AM
Harry McGuire or Jamelle Lascelles / C.B.
Sessegnon or Luke Shaw / L.B.
Milinkovic Savic, Lazio / Centre Mid.
Milik, Napoli / C.F.
Add that to a returning Lookman and Sandro. Fuck Williams, Martina, Rooney, and Bolasie off. Bingo!
You've mixed some right shite with some world class players way out of our league, kudos
Post by: D_murph0278 on May 14, 2018, 12:30:14 AM
You've mixed some right shite with some world class players way out of our league, kudos
Ok Savic is a long shot..... but the rest?
Who's the shite btw??
Post by: bluenuck on May 14, 2018, 12:32:17 AM
Harry McGuire or Jamelle Lascelles / C.B.
Sessegnon or Luke Shaw / L.B.
Milinkovic Savic, Lazio / Centre Mid.
Milik, Napoli / C.F.
Add that to a returning Lookman and Sandro. Fuck Williams, Martina, Rooney, and Bolasie off. Bingo!
Only if this were playstation...
Post by: sixymack on May 14, 2018, 12:32:25 AM
Post by: Juanito on May 14, 2018, 12:34:58 AM
Coleman Holgate Keane Tierney
Doucoure Gana Sigurdsson
Richarlson Walcott Lookman
Post by: Shogun on May 14, 2018, 12:37:24 AM
Scored in 11 out of 14 matches against the top 6 this season.
Ridiculous
Post by: brap2 on May 14, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
How much would Vardy cost?
Scored in 11 out of 14 matches against the top 6 this season.
Ridiculous
I’m going to spend all summer moaning that we shouldn’t sign him because he’s too old and he’ll go and bloody do it again next year an all.
Post by: GLewis on May 14, 2018, 12:47:34 AM
I’m going to spend all summer moaning that we shouldn’t sign him because he’s too old and he’ll go and bloody do it again next year an all.
Which is fine if he’s already your player.
Not if you’re shelling out £50m and £200k per week on a four year deal.
Post by: angus1878 on May 14, 2018, 01:02:46 AM
Post by: Ravardo on May 14, 2018, 01:50:13 AM
Post by: Sixx1402 on May 14, 2018, 01:52:46 AM
Is that the quickest ban ever??? or is he still here, hopefully not the realist :wanker:
That was fast wasn't it!
Christ he was spreading it about a bit that lad.
His mum is quite similar....... ;D
Post by: TheTone on May 14, 2018, 02:00:34 AM
Post by: Gash on May 14, 2018, 02:06:17 AM
Wish Moshiri was as ruthless as these mods :snigger:
To be fair most banned people get another chance if they come back on after a while but Realist has rejoined several times since and has been a bellend on every occasion. Today he just signed up to start an "I told you so" thread and deliberately try and get people's backs up. Anyone patting themselves on the back and trying to score points on the internet for being correct about the season we've just had can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. There's absolutely fuck all to be smug about.
Post by: blue slug on May 14, 2018, 02:08:44 AM
To be fair most banned people get another chance if they come back on after a while but Realist has rejoined several times since and has been a bellend on every occasion. Today he just signed up to start an "I told you so" thread and deliberately try and get people's backs up. Anyone patting themselves on the back and trying to score points on the internet for being correct about the season we've just had can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. There's absolutely fuck all to be smug about.
True is that
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 14, 2018, 02:16:26 AM
To be fair most banned people get another chance if they come back on after a while but Realist has rejoined several times since and has been a bellend on every occasion. Today he just signed up to start an "I told you so" thread and deliberately try and get people's backs up. Anyone patting themselves on the back and trying to score points on the internet for being correct about the season we've just had can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. There's absolutely fuck all to be smug about.
Doesn’t he owe me money. Was he the 1 who I bet 500 quid we’d finish top 8? Bring him back!!!
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 14, 2018, 02:31:55 AM
To be fair most banned people get another chance if they come back on after a while but Realist has rejoined several times since and has been a bellend on every occasion. Today he just signed up to start an "I told you so" thread and deliberately try and get people's backs up. Anyone patting themselves on the back and trying to score points on the internet for being correct about the season we've just had can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. There's absolutely fuck all to be smug about.
What thread?
Post by: Gash on May 14, 2018, 02:34:07 AM
What thread?
It was removed.
Post by: Gash on May 14, 2018, 02:35:48 AM
Doesn’t he owe me money. Was he the 1 who I bet 500 quid we’d finish top 8? Bring him back!!!
You'd be better hiring a private investigator than us letting him back on. Well, from our point of view it would be less hassle. :)
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 14, 2018, 02:35:54 AM
It was removed.
Ah. Thought my phone was on the fritz.
What was he banging on about?
Post by: Brownie on May 14, 2018, 02:36:00 AM
It was removed.
Who was it? Bogie?
Post by: Gash on May 14, 2018, 02:37:01 AM
Who was it? Bogie?
No, Realist.
Post by: Brownie on May 14, 2018, 02:37:47 AM
No, Realist.
Oh he's back is he?
Post by: sam of the south on May 14, 2018, 02:39:55 AM
Oh he's back is he?
Banned again already 😂
Post by: Brownie on May 14, 2018, 02:40:36 AM
Banned again already 😂
Brilliant 😂
Post by: blue slug on May 14, 2018, 03:01:21 AM
Banned again already 😂
Thank fuck
Post by: dunkster on May 14, 2018, 03:54:27 AM
Post by: bluestevie on May 14, 2018, 06:09:02 AM
Ooh...who's been banned and where and what for??...most exciting everton related stuff I've heard for months
Apparently Realist re-signed up, posted an I told you so thread and got frogmarched quicker than the Flash
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 14, 2018, 08:23:16 AM
i just want a manager who likes to attack and has a solid defense/midfield.
when we got the manager and the style of play.. then ill start to speculate.. we have a squad who everyone thinks is lucky not to get relegated.. i blame that view on the anti football managers we have had.. i'd like to give most of them a chance in pre season under the new manager..
what we do need are, wingers, box to box/ball playing midfielders and a striker.. probably new cbs too, but until a new manager is sorted its not worth the time thinking of individual players.
Post by: mikey_blue on May 14, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
1. Centre midfielder who can pass the ball and start attacks - Will Hughes, Max Meyer, Cyprien.
2. Athletic Left back - Luke Shaw, Ryan Bertrand (bit older now), Kennedy, Grimaldo.
3. Centre Back - Still not really convinced by any of or options apart from Jags, which is sad. I'd love us to go for Tah. Him and Holgate would be what I'd go for. alternatives would be: Mawson or Sarr.
Bring Lookman back in, give more minutes to Vlasic and the attack will take care of itself over time. I'd be tempted to try Walcott up top too.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 14, 2018, 06:10:43 PM
Apparently Realist re-signed up, posted an I told you so thread and got frogmarched quicker than the Flash
He owes me 500 quid. You guys could have waited
Post by: brap2 on May 14, 2018, 07:20:00 PM
I think 3 signings is needed: I'd class all these as attainable.
1. Centre midfielder who can pass the ball and start attacks - Will Hughes, Max Meyer, Cyprien.
2. Athletic Left back - Luke Shaw, Ryan Bertrand (bit older now), Kennedy, Grimaldo.
3. Centre Back - Still not really convinced by any of or options apart from Jags, which is sad. I'd love us to go for Tah. Him and Holgate would be what I'd go for. alternatives would be: Mawson or Sarr.
Bring Lookman back in, give more minutes to Vlasic and the attack will take care of itself over time. I'd be tempted to try Walcott up top too.
Like the look of this list mate. Would be very happy if we hit a few of these..
Post by: sixymack on May 14, 2018, 08:04:33 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 14, 2018, 08:33:16 PM
Patrick Van Aanholt, has been looking really good recently. Should also be an attainable target. Unfortunately Bainesy is done at this level.
I've touted him in the past but been shot down.
Understandable negativity around him as he has had some howlers.
But i think there's the makings of a really good player there, in the right system.
Post by: TheRam on May 14, 2018, 08:39:44 PM
Post by: nsno on May 14, 2018, 08:43:51 PM
Apparently Realist re-signed up, posted an I told you so thread and got frogmarched quicker than the Flash
Pity, even though he was a massive twat, he actually posted some decent points, and the fume he created was great to watch too.
Post by: D15TIN on May 14, 2018, 08:47:06 PM
Zaha
Doucoure
Bertrand
Loftus-Cheek
* maybe another striker
I think it's important we don't just go out and sign 8 players
Post by: D15TIN on May 14, 2018, 08:58:15 PM
Stekelenburg
RB
Coleman
Kenny
Martina?
LB
Baines
* Another LB
A.Robinson?
CB
Jagielka
Keane
Holgate
Funes-Mori?
RW/LW
Walcott
Bolasie
Lookman
Vlasic
DM/CM/AM
Sigurdsson
Gana
Schneiderlin
Davies
Baningime
Dowell?
Klaasen?
Besic?
ST
Tosun
Niasse
Calvert-Lewin
Sandro?
This is the squad were left with assuming Robles, Williams, Rooney leave - Besic/Mori/Klaasen/Sandro may or may not stay
I think looking at it we need 1 LB, 1 CB, 3 Midfielders (2 central, 1 winger) and maybe another striker although I think Tosun will get decent figures with a more attack minded manager and a good number 10
Post by: Lxxx on May 14, 2018, 09:22:02 PM
Post by: brap2 on May 14, 2018, 11:38:46 PM
I think Loftus-Cheek has the potential to be a very good player. I know Chelsea sell high but he’s the type we should be looking at to build a new team with, ones who are at the right stage of their development curve who would kick on under the right guidance and management.
should regularly test Chelsea for youth players.
Mason Mount..
Post by: Juanito on May 15, 2018, 03:24:21 AM
Hopefully Schnerderlin leaves to make room for Beni and Williams leaves to make room for Holgate.
Post by: Gash on May 15, 2018, 03:51:03 AM
If we're linked with a player start a thread and post a link if there's a paper story to it. That way people can identify a thread and read it rather than what often happens where there's pages and pages of shite to sort through and several different discussion going on at one time.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 15, 2018, 05:46:50 AM
I think Loftus-Cheek has the potential to be a very good player. I know Chelsea sell high but he's the type we should be looking at to build a new team with, ones who are at the right stage of their development curve who would kick on under the right guidance and management.
He’s exactly the type of player we need. I’m in!
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 15, 2018, 04:47:08 PM
Post by: Ramjam on May 15, 2018, 04:53:09 PM
The transfer window opens on Thursday...are we in danger of being left behind, this summer?Probably, no manager and no DOF to make the decisions on recruitment assuming the reports are right regarding you know who and you know who
Post by: Gash on May 15, 2018, 05:40:52 PM
The transfer window opens on Thursday...are we in danger of being left behind, this summer?
Calm down, the season finished less than 48 hours ago, all the reports are that we'll have a new structure in place pretty quickly.
Post by: Ramjam on May 15, 2018, 06:34:56 PM
Post by: brap2 on May 15, 2018, 07:09:11 PM
Leon Osman endorsing the signing of 35 year old Yaya Toure. Is he for real? The guy is finished at this level just like Rooney and Jags
Would be an absolute joke of a signing unless his wages were extremely dependent on minutes and not just minutes but minutes were he’s actually arsed
Post by: Macca77 on May 15, 2018, 07:14:41 PM
Leon Osman endorsing the signing of 35 year old Yaya Toure. Is he for real? The guy is finished at this level just like Rooney and Jags
Fuck off Osman
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 15, 2018, 10:00:23 PM
Post by: D15TIN on May 15, 2018, 10:01:55 PM
Leon Osman endorsing the signing of 35 year old Yaya Toure. Is he for real? The guy is finished at this level just like Rooney and JagsWorryingly I think the club would see the signing as a big positive, and it's anything but.
Post by: Lxxx on May 15, 2018, 11:02:17 PM
Loftus-Cheek would be a great signing for us.With a stable Director of Football players like this would be on our radar as the top clubs will be looking for a bigger profile and we're the best of the rest. Although he'd probably go to West Ham.
Post by: Ramjam on May 16, 2018, 07:06:24 AM
Post by: brap2 on May 16, 2018, 01:49:36 PM
Anyone know how the young lad we signed from QPR is progressing (Bowler) will he be a possible first team squad player next season?
All seemed very quiet about him at first but I do feel that he started to pick up reviews towards the end of the season.
No idea how close he is, would suspect not very.
Post by: brap2 on May 16, 2018, 01:55:18 PM
Think we should definitely try and pick up young, CL potential players that we can move on in a year or two ala Red Bull.
Moshiri must have a finite amount of money, so especially considering how inefficient the market is I.e you get a lot less for your money (hence why scouting with data is more important to identify undervalued talents) we do need less investment in sigurdssons and more Lookmans.
Post by: Lxxx on May 16, 2018, 03:30:49 PM
One thing I was thinking last night - for the first time in quite a while we don’t really have any saleable assets that we could quickly move on to a big club for a profit. (Maybe Lookman, Gueye).
Think we should definitely try and pick up young, CL potential players that we can move on in a year or two ala Red Bull.
Moshiri must have a finite amount of money, so especially considering how inefficient the market is I.e you get a lot less for your money (hence why scouting with data is more important to identify undervalued talents) we do need less investment in sigurdssons and more Lookmans.
Hence Brands I would have thought. Hopefully.
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 03:41:14 PM
Post by: Ramjam on May 16, 2018, 03:52:54 PM
We don't need to go mad this summer, just be sensible and find the right players.Agree with that, probably 4 in and lookman returning would be adequate, the outs should be about 6,
Williams
Schniderlin
Bolasie
Rooney
Klaassen
Sandro
Post by: Lxxx on May 16, 2018, 04:39:12 PM
Agree with that, probably 4 in and lookman returning would be adequate, the outs should be about 6,
Williams
Schniderlin
Bolasie
Rooney
Klaassen
Sandro
We may be able to tempt Palace with a half decent fee for nostalgia for Bolasie but no-one else will be seriously arsed about him. Klaassan has spent a year doing nothing so I'd be surprised if we get half what he cost and we'll have to pay Sandro off as no-one will pay him anywhere near what we do. Therefore it wouldn't surprise me to see both of them here next season but then again there might be some quality in there to work with anyway.
Take what we can for Schneiderlin, Williams and Rooney and get over £300k a week off the wage bill.
We'll have to be creative this summer but with a proper manager who can actually coach then what's left, with a few quality additions, should be plenty to work with.
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 04:56:32 PM
Post by: Ramjam on May 16, 2018, 04:57:33 PM
Depending on the new guy and the system he sees, it could well be that Klaassen & Schneiderlin both have rules to playOr maybe even roles
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 05:03:30 PM
Or maybe even roles (https://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji12.png)
haha, yeah, that as well :thumbsup:
Post by: TrevorSteven on May 16, 2018, 05:22:25 PM
Keep: Pickford, Schneiderlin. Baines, Keane, Bolasie, Walcott, Gueye, Coleman, Lookman.
Wouldnt care if sold: Williams, Jagielka, Rooney, Tosun, Martina, McCarthy, Sigurdsson, Niasse, Besic, Stekelenburg, Robles, Funes Mori, JJ Kenny, Tarashaj, Browning
Could keep just in case new manager or one year older changes something: Onyekuru, Baningime, Galloway, Holgate, Dowell, Vlasic, Klaassen, Mirallas, Sandro, Davies
If we gonna have a chance of even sniffing at the top 6 we would need way to many quality signings. Just to get the first eleven up to good enough quality we would need one huge CD signing, one quality playmaker (nr10) even tough that position was the only signings we did last summer and one major striker signing.
Then we would probably get one more player in all positions as Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Walcott, Lookman aint at top 4 level either.
If its not becoming a summer of shitloads of ins and outs its gonna be one more season doing totally ok fighting with Leicester and Burnley about the 7th spot. As fans at least not get Nil satis nisi medium
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 16, 2018, 05:46:41 PM
of the main squad i would be happy to sell Williams, Martina, Besic, Schneiderlin. Sandro. so on that point we then need replacements for them, an other CB ,LB, DCM,( box to box type) and a striker.
a proper balance and not having your wingers or wide men on the toes of the fullbacks would help and hopefully see the best of Lookman, walcott, Bolassie Vlassic.
Post by: Ramjam on May 16, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 16, 2018, 05:51:22 PM
we saw what happens when you bring in too many players last season and don't have a balance to the squad, so no point doing the same , we need a LB for the future
of the main squad i would be happy to sell Williams, Martina, Besic, Schneiderlin. Sandro. so on that point we then need replacements for them, an other CB ,LB, DCM,( box to box type) and a striker.
a proper balance and not having your wingers or wide men on the toes of the fullbacks would help and hopefully see the best of Lookman, walcott, Bolassie Vlassic.
We saw what happens when you sign a load of overrated shite and players we don’t really need while neglecting the positions we do need
Post by: Lxxx on May 16, 2018, 05:53:46 PM
Post by: TrevorSteven on May 16, 2018, 05:54:01 PM
we saw what happens when you bring in too many players last season and don't have a balance to the squad, so no point doing the same , we need a LB for the future
of the main squad i would be happy to sell Williams, Martina, Besic, Schneiderlin. Sandro. so on that point we then need replacements for them, an other CB ,LB, DCM,( box to box type) and a striker.
a proper balance and not having your wingers or wide men on the toes of the fullbacks would help and hopefully see the best of Lookman, walcott, Bolassie Vlassic.
I agree with you when it comes to how many you can change but still Lookman, Walcott, Bolasie and Vlasic VS Sallah, Mane, Firminho, Can, Wijnaldum or VS Hazard, Willian, Giroud, Morata, Fabreagas, Pedro or VS Alli, Lamela, Eriksen, Kane - not to mention the Manchester teams - we are in a different league...The only way to manage competing with them without buying a lot of players would be to get three top of the shelf attackers. We need to start with beeing a threat up-front that in itself will make it easier to play as a defender and would be the only way forward.
Post by: TheTone on May 16, 2018, 06:06:42 PM
Post by: Ramjam on May 16, 2018, 06:11:03 PM
Wont be happy if Keane and Jagielka are our centre backs come august,I definitely want 2 new centre halfs, maybe Holgate can be a regular but I'm not sure about himYep, Keane is fuckin awful and jags has had his day, Holgate still a bit raw and lightweight so we could do with a couple of beasts in there one of them that can bring it out from the back like Alderwield at Spurs who incidentally is looking for a move.
Post by: brap2 on May 16, 2018, 07:03:03 PM
We do however probably have enough for 45-55 points next year attacking wise, and enough to beat crap below us.
However our back 4 and midfield 3 are truly awful in quality and depth respectively. Fix those two as priority, then spend big on attacking talent to fit into a specific system.
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 07:20:34 PM
We need another decent striker and a rebuild of midfield. Perhaps a new quality midfielder this summer and another in January.
So a new center back left back midfielder and striker and blend with what we have. And continue in winter. Another season of transition but going forwards this time.
Post by: Lxxx on May 16, 2018, 07:39:26 PM
Gana to sweep in front of the back four, a 6'3" physical presence next to him who is comfortable on the ball, can stride forward and turn our play into attack and is at the right age to improve. Then Sig to provide the goal scoring threat up top. Looks a good balance of age and ability to complement each other. I like the look of tall physical midfielders in the centre of the park, Matic looks a beast when he's stood in there.
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 16, 2018, 07:45:48 PM
Agree with that, probably 4 in and lookman returning would be adequate, the outs should be about 6,
Williams
Schniderlin
Bolasie
Rooney
Klaassen
Sandro
Mirallas
Besic
Martina
Robles
Garbutt
McCarthy?
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 16, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
Loftus-Cheek for me.
Gana to sweep in front of the back four, a 6'3" physical presence next to him who is comfortable on the ball, can stride forward and turn our play into attack and is at the right age to improve. Then Sig to provide the goal scoring threat up top. Looks a good balance of age and ability to complement each other. I like the look of tall physical midfielders in the centre of the park, Matic looks a beast when he's stood in there.
Exactly the sort of signing we should be making.
Post by: brap2 on May 17, 2018, 12:35:59 AM
Loftus-Cheek for me.
Gana to sweep in front of the back four, a 6'3" physical presence next to him who is comfortable on the ball, can stride forward and turn our play into attack and is at the right age to improve. Then Sig to provide the goal scoring threat up top. Looks a good balance of age and ability to complement each other. I like the look of tall physical midfielders in the centre of the park, Matic looks a beast when he's stood in there.
Like RLC a lot but big willy carvalho would eat him for breakfast
Post by: velimski on May 17, 2018, 12:49:03 AM
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on May 17, 2018, 12:50:44 AM
I agree with you when it comes to how many you can change but still Lookman, Walcott, Bolasie and Vlasic VS Sallah, Mane, Firminho, Can, Wijnaldum or VS Hazard, Willian, Giroud, Morata, Fabreagas, Pedro or VS Alli, Lamela, Eriksen, Kane - not to mention the Manchester teams - we are in a different league...The only way to manage competing with them without buying a lot of players would be to get three top of the shelf attackers. We need to start with beeing a threat up-front that in itself will make it easier to play as a defender and would be the only way forward.
We are realistically not going to compete with the top 6 next season and I think people need to accept that.
Yes we’ve had a good couple of days and can look forward to next season but as we discovered this year you can’t throw 8 new players into a team and expect it to work. Nor are we in a place to compete with just 3 or 4 signings.
We don’t want to be that self entitled club we’re being made out in the media this week with BigSam being booted out do we? It’s going to take a while to be at that level, this is the start of a new project not a miricle invitation to the top 6.
Let’s look to solidify that 7th place and get some cup runs in and maintain a squad that’s both big enough and good enough for Europe year in and year out.
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 12:58:27 AM
RLC has played out wide all season.
Which is bonkers. He’s not built for it and it’s not his best position.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 17, 2018, 01:01:23 AM
Post by: velimski on May 17, 2018, 01:03:11 AM
Which is bonkers. He’s not built for it and it’s not his best position.
Don't think i've ever seen him play any other position.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 17, 2018, 01:34:32 AM
Post by: D15TIN on May 17, 2018, 01:39:36 AM
Loftus-Cheek for me.Agree with all of that
Gana to sweep in front of the back four, a 6'3" physical presence next to him who is comfortable on the ball, can stride forward and turn our play into attack and is at the right age to improve. Then Sig to provide the goal scoring threat up top. Looks a good balance of age and ability to complement each other. I like the look of tall physical midfielders in the centre of the park, Matic looks a beast when he's stood in there.
-----Gana---N'Zonzi
Walcott----Sig----Lookman/Loftus-Cheek
Post by: TrevorSteven on May 17, 2018, 05:00:46 AM
We are realistically not going to compete with the top 6 next season and I think people need to accept that.
Yes we’ve had a good couple of days and can look forward to next season but as we discovered this year you can’t throw 8 new players into a team and expect it to work. Nor are we in a place to compete with just 3 or 4 signings.
We don’t want to be that self entitled club we’re being made out in the media this week with BigSam being booted out do we? It’s going to take a while to be at that level, this is the start of a new project not a miricle invitation to the top 6.
Let’s look to solidify that 7th place and get some cup runs in and maintain a squad that’s both big enough and good enough for Europe year in and year out.
I do think you have some valid points there but I don´t agree that last summers signings defines that you can´t buy 8 new players and think it will go well. I do think that is possible - problem last summer was that we did many bad signings. I remember people last summer complaining about me moaning about our signings. You just have to do the right signings.
Problem is that its so hard to do them. Buying proven PL players is not good enough for us - the best of them will end up at the top 6 clubs and we will end up with the likes of Rooney, Schneiderlin and Gylfi. As someone else wrote here - we need to go for unproven, talented players from countries like Italy, France and Spain. That is not easy either as the big clubs now buy them for their academies. Remember i.e Mane, Coutinho and Payet - it is possible to hit the jackpot but it is enough Nyarkos out there to fail. Most important - our team do sorely need players with pace, power and creativity in offensive positions. Its incredible that we lined up in the beginning of the season with Klaassen, Rooney and Gylfi - thats like having three slow players always looking for a breakthrough pass just to find out that we dont have any players doing the off the ball runs.
Liverpool is not a great team - their defensive players are not great footballers but they have three players with so much pace, power and skill that it is enough to create problems for the opponent - we just dont have players causing problems...So lets just put all effort in getting attacking minded players - who? I do not have a clue.
Post by: Toffee1 on May 18, 2018, 03:00:32 AM
He's one of Mino Raiola's clients isn't he? Wonder if the Brands connection could get him here?
Post by: Outworlder47 on May 18, 2018, 03:07:55 AM
Quote from: Toffee1
(Justin Kluivert)
He's one of Mino Raiola's clients isn't he? Wonder if the Brands connection could get him here?
Potentially. Was apparently about to be sold to Spurs for 20M at the same time the Davinson Sanchez deal went through, but he rejected it as Ajax didn't inform him until the last minute. Apparently considering Roma and at least some of the top clubs in England.
Post by: blue slug on May 18, 2018, 03:09:23 AM
Post by: Hawkandro on May 18, 2018, 03:19:19 AM
Tah would be a great choice at CB. Pace and presence. Zouma a good choice too. Basically know is the time to start bringing the age of the team down.
Post by: American Evertonian on May 18, 2018, 03:56:27 AM
Post by: brap2 on May 18, 2018, 03:57:00 AM
We are realistically not going to compete with the top 6 next season and I think people need to accept that.
Yes we’ve had a good couple of days and can look forward to next season but as we discovered this year you can’t throw 8 new players into a team and expect it to work. Nor are we in a place to compete with just 3 or 4 signings.
We don’t want to be that self entitled club we’re being made out in the media this week with BigSam being booted out do we? It’s going to take a while to be at that level, this is the start of a new project not a miricle invitation to the top 6.
Let’s look to solidify that 7th place and get some cup runs in and maintain a squad that’s both big enough and good enough for Europe year in and year out.
Crikey I hope nobody thinks we’re going to be doing that. We’re a million miles away from that. Literally every area of the pitch.
I’m not sure what our average points has been last few years but apparently the average points for 7th is about 57 - so...maybe about that if we have a great season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 18, 2018, 04:13:01 AM
Post by: TheRam on May 18, 2018, 04:31:25 AM
As long as we see a progression I'll be happy.
Post by: TheTone on May 18, 2018, 04:38:36 AM
Post by: Ramjam on May 18, 2018, 05:23:35 AM
I'm expecting Arsenal to implode next season so do think an opportunity could be there to break the top 6, but no meltdown if we don't.Same at Chelsea, Hazard wants out and apparently a lot of unrest amongst the squad as Conte is extremely unpopular
As long as we see a progression I'll be happy.
Post by: brap2 on May 18, 2018, 05:34:30 AM
Same at Chelsea, Hazard wants out and apparently a lot of unrest amongst the squad as Conte is extremely unpopular
Surely Mourinho is due an implosion..
Post by: Ramjam on May 20, 2018, 05:00:23 PM
Post by: TheRam on May 20, 2018, 05:07:36 PM
Surely Mourinho is due an implosion..
Arsenal- Think they'll struggle next season. We've seen with ourselves and United how teams struggle replacing a long standing manager.
Chelsea- Massively tightened the purse strings. Finished 5th and we all know how the players like throwing new managers under the bus.
Spurs- If Levy doesn't pay the wages there's going to be a mass exodus there. Starting with the manager and Kane.
United- Jose's third season and we all know what happens there. I'm putting good money on him to be the first manager to go.
Liverpool- 4th season under Klopp. At Dortmund he burnt everybody out by this point.
For me the top 6 isn't cut and dry as everybody thinks. We get the summer right and there's places up for grabs IMO.
Post by: Ramjam on May 20, 2018, 05:13:12 PM
Post by: Brownie on May 20, 2018, 05:36:27 PM
Arsenal- Think they'll struggle next season. We've seen with ourselves and United how teams struggle replacing a long standing manager.
Chelsea- Massively tightened the purse strings. Finished 5th and we all know how the players like throwing new managers under the bus.
Spurs- If Levy doesn't pay the wages there's going to be a mass exodus there. Starting with the manager and Kane.
United- Jose's third season and we all know what happens there. I'm putting good money on him to be the first manager to go.
Liverpool- 4th season under Klopp. At Dortmund he burnt everybody out by this point.
For me the top 6 isn't cut and dry as everybody thinks. We get the summer right and there's places up for grabs IMO.
Yeah, I think once you take away the media BS about these clubs you can logically see that there is potential for one one to crack the top 6. Whether it's us or not is another matter
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 20, 2018, 06:10:36 PM
I'm expecting Arsenal to implode next season so do think an opportunity could be there to break the top 6, but no meltdown if we don't.
As long as we see a progression I'll be happy.
Think i'm going to put a tenner on them to get relegated, just for jokes.
Post by: sixymack on May 20, 2018, 06:48:54 PM
Post by: Lxxx on May 20, 2018, 06:49:49 PM
Think i'm going to put a tenner on them to get relegated, just for jokes.
Get 8 bottles of Peroni instead and sit in the sun. You'll have more fun.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 20, 2018, 06:50:58 PM
If Silva does get the job, which players out there will thrive under his style of play. Were there any standouts from Watford or Hull, who really benefitted from his management style?
I suppose Doucoure and Richarlison are the obvious ones. Maybe you could put Davies/Gana and Lookman as similar kinds of players.
Post by: Cozzie on May 20, 2018, 06:52:16 PM
Post by: TheRam on May 20, 2018, 06:54:41 PM
Not too sure there's many players that would be an upgrade anyway.
Post by: Goaljira on May 20, 2018, 07:01:13 PM
If Silva does get the job, which players out there will thrive under his style of play. Were there any standouts from Watford or Hull, who really benefitted from his management style?
Niasse.
Post by: Brownie on May 20, 2018, 07:14:59 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 20, 2018, 07:21:33 PM
I really doubt Watford would allow us to sign any of there players.
Not too sure there's many players that would be an upgrade anyway.
I’d be extremely disappointed if we were looking at buying Watford players. Dropping possibly 40m quid on “proven” decent premier league players is just gonna see us run out of money before we make a competive team. We’ve got to hire the right staff to find the next 1s cheap
Post by: Ramjam on May 20, 2018, 07:24:24 PM
Like the sound of this Max guy, the left back.Yes, so did I, German international, Fast with a great left peg and at£25m seems to be ok for a 25year old
Post by: Bluedylan on May 20, 2018, 07:26:19 PM
Brands has already talked about the inflated market in England and the importance of value for money, after the announcement of the move, which I took as 'don't worry, I'll be looking beyond the Prem'.
Post by: Juanito on May 20, 2018, 07:28:11 PM
I’d be extremely disappointed if we were looking at buying Watford players. Dropping possibly 40m quid on “proven” decent premier league players is just gonna see us run out of money before we make a competive team. We’ve got to hire the right staff to find the next 1s cheap
I think Docuoure is just what we need in midfield. Powerful athlete with a good touch, can track back, score goals and dominate a midfield. Love him alongside Gana. Massive upgrade on Schnerderlin.
Post by: Brownie on May 20, 2018, 07:29:55 PM
Yeah you'd like to think with Silva's experience of European football and Brands knowledge of European and South American players, that we won't have to hear the dreaded phrase 'proven Premier league' too often this season.
Brands has already talked about the inflated market in England and the importance of value for money, after the announcement of the move, which I took as 'don't worry, I'll be looking beyond the Prem'.
He's a South American specialist isn't he?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 20, 2018, 07:31:32 PM
Get 8 bottles of Peroni instead and sit in the sun. You'll have more fun.
Im pretty sure he wont get no monies to spend at Arsernal,,, Wenger kept moaning about funds... Arteta will get the 'He's not known in the football world, so he cant attract players spiel.'
ten pound aint nothing... id rather get 8 bottles of Desperado's, drink them while watching Arsenal play (2 very close friends of mine are Arsenal fans.. so you know.. i've taken them both Goodison when we played them.. the 1-1 draw when Jeffers scored.. the 4-1 demolishing when Carsley scored the goal of the match, and t he 1-6 when we got raped, albeit they was all under Moyes.. the best result was the 1-1 which was on my birthday)
Post by: Bluedylan on May 20, 2018, 07:46:07 PM
He's a South American specialist isn't he?
Apparently mate yeah. Brought a few over to Holland. Need to get them sorted now before the Brexit crew make it impossible for anyone with a foreign accent or darker features to enter the country.
Post by: blargins on May 21, 2018, 12:35:04 AM
Still a hell of a lot of work to do to get anywhere close to Arsenal let alone beyond.
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 05:15:53 PM
Bas Dost maybe? 61 goals in 61 games for them
Post by: Makis on May 21, 2018, 05:22:08 PM
Carvalho we have been linked with recently. Bruno Fernandes and Marcos Acuna perhaps?
Post by: Brownie on May 21, 2018, 05:52:21 PM
Any Sporting Lisbon players worth a look at, most of them have already said they want to leave after getting battered by their own fans last week?
Bas Dost maybe? 61 goals in 61 games for them
Didn't he get a really bad head injury recently
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 06:03:51 PM
Didn't he get a really bad head injury recently
Yeah, when he was battered!
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on May 21, 2018, 06:56:35 PM
Post by: cantoffee on May 21, 2018, 07:00:25 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 21, 2018, 07:19:24 PM
Is Manny Fernandes still playing? :whistle:In the portugese wc squad
Post by: Brownie on May 21, 2018, 07:33:39 PM
Is Manny Fernandes still playing? :whistle:
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Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 21, 2018, 07:46:16 PM
In the portugese wc squad
I'm surprised Portugal don't have Figo, Pauleta and Vitor Baía - they seem to keep picking players until they're about 50!
Post by: gizzblue on May 21, 2018, 08:09:33 PM
Is Manny Fernandes still playing? :whistle:
Loved him for skinning Stevie G easily...and having a little grin as he ran off.
Post by: Cozzie on May 22, 2018, 05:03:23 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 22, 2018, 05:06:45 AM
https://twitter.com/mexicoworldcup/status/998678404017750017?s=20
He also RTd someone that said that the kid should be aiming much higher than us.
Post by: brap2 on May 22, 2018, 06:09:41 AM
Hope we get a crack at him and put a tasty 50-60m clause in to keep him happy, would be exactly what we need imo.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 22, 2018, 06:58:20 AM
I expected a Spurs implosion this season to be honest.
coming soon, i expect this season, i dont think Levy will break the wage structure and that will mean Poch and the players will abandon ship.
dont know why tho.. 140k or even 100k a week is more than fucking enough,
Post by: Ramjam on May 22, 2018, 10:38:27 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on May 22, 2018, 11:02:06 AM
coming soon, i expect this season, i dont think Levy will break the wage structure and that will mean Poch and the players will abandon ship.
dont know why tho.. 140k or even 100k a week is more than fucking enough,
Poch is 100% staying for next season. I think the oppposite. I think they'll be stronger next season back in their own stadium (which looks incredible).
Post by: Ramjam on May 22, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
Poch is 100% staying for next season. I think the oppposite. I think they'll be stronger next season back in their own stadium (which looks incredible).The stadium does look boss but that alone won’t guarantee anything.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 22, 2018, 12:20:56 PM
The stadium does look boss but that alone won’t guarantee anything.
Course not, but I think it'll galvanise them. One of the big things this season was how much Spurs were gonna struggle at Wembley. They dealt with it fine and had an excellent season.
Post by: Ramjam on May 22, 2018, 12:35:26 PM
Course not, but I think it'll galvanise them. One of the big things this season was how much Spurs were gonna struggle at Wembley. They dealt with it fine and had an excellent season.They did after a slow start (apart from playing us) but I just get the feeling that a wee bit of anxiety is running through the club as they’ve still won fuck all with a quality team who are now getting frustrated and about change home ground again as well as talk of high profile players talking more and more about bigger money elsewhere
Post by: Lxxx on May 22, 2018, 03:34:01 PM
They did after a slow start (apart from playing us) but I just get the feeling that a wee bit of anxiety is running through the club as they’ve still won fuck all with a quality team who are now getting frustrated and about change home ground again as well as talk of high profile players talking more and more about bigger money elsewhere
I think you're projecting your wishes on the situation. There is no evidence whatsoever that backs up your view.
Post by: Ramjam on May 22, 2018, 03:51:42 PM
I think you're projecting your wishes on the situation. There is no evidence whatsoever that backs up your view.
Post by: Bluedylan on May 22, 2018, 03:53:19 PM
That's a West Ham site. Trust me, nobody at Spurs is remotely threatened by anything West Ham have ever done. They perceive them as an irrelevance.
Post by: Ramjam on May 22, 2018, 03:55:58 PM
That's a West Ham site. Trust me, nobody at Spurs is remotely threatened by anything West Ham have ever done. They perceive them as an irrelevance.They are irrelevant but they are throwing a lot of money at a manager, in fact double what Pochettino is on, that’s what I mean when I say the Spurs squad and manager will soon start to ask the hard questions of Levy
Post by: Lxxx on May 22, 2018, 04:02:38 PM
They are irrelevant but they are throwing a lot of money at a manager, in fact double what Pochettino is on, that’s what I mean when I say the Spurs squad and manager will soon start to ask the hard questions of Levy
I don't doubt they will as money does talk and they will have to start loosening the purse strings somewhat however none of their players or management team are taking any notice of Everton and West Ham at the minute as they are on a different level. A lot of their contracts are performance-based and they are delivering at the moment so when it's all factored in they're not the poor relations as some like to paint them as.
Post by: di_guyo on May 22, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
I expected a Spurs implosion this season to be honest.
Still a hell of a lot of work to do to get anywhere close to Arsenal let alone beyond.
Eh? Spurs are comfortably better than Arsenal.
Post by: Morta75 on May 22, 2018, 04:13:55 PM
Post by: blargins on May 22, 2018, 05:52:40 PM
Eh? Spurs are comfortably better than Arsenal.
Sorry, two different thoughts in that.
Thought one was I expected Spurs to struggle more last season.
Thought two was that we have a long way to go to get close to Arsenal.
Post by: Lxxx on May 22, 2018, 07:19:17 PM
Sorry, two different thoughts in that.
Thought one was I expected Spurs to struggle more last season.
Thought two was that we have a long way to go to get close to Arsenal.
If we were ever going to get close to Arsenal then last season was it. Some might say this season too but when I see a front three of Ozil, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang then we've got some way to go to match that, especially if they sign some quality at the back and midfield.
Post by: blargins on May 22, 2018, 08:04:52 PM
If we were ever going to get close to Arsenal then last season was it. Some might say this season too but when I see a front three of Ozil, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang then we've got some way to go to match that, especially if they sign some quality at the back and midfield.
I see Arsenal back in the top 4 next season if they get Emery.
Post by: di_guyo on May 22, 2018, 08:17:09 PM
Sorry, two different thoughts in that.
Thought one was I expected Spurs to struggle more last season.
Thought two was that we have a long way to go to get close to Arsenal.
Haha, no worries. I was taken by surprise, but all clear now bud.
I actually agree with you too. Although we were in the conversation a couple of seasons back, our squad and resources were inferior and we were effectively punching above our weight. If we're to seriously challenge for automatic European spots there's quite a leap to be made.
Post by: Bally on May 22, 2018, 08:23:40 PM
Didn't he get a really bad head injury recentlyYeah done by fans apparently
Post by: sixymack on May 23, 2018, 11:07:11 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 23, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
Rondon anyone?? 16.5 million pound release clause. 28 years old. Showed he was a class act after the McCarthy injury. Powerful player. Worth a punt at that money surely and could he play with Tosun or too similar?
Doesn’t score goals. I think they’ll struggle to shift him even at that price
Post by: brap2 on May 23, 2018, 11:57:17 PM
Think he’d score more in a better system, but we’ve no idea if Marco wants a big number 9 yet.
Wouldn’t hate him as a back up plan, or if the system required a big back-to-goal fella.
Would have saved koeman had he got him start of the year.
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 24, 2018, 12:00:01 AM
Post by: Makis on May 24, 2018, 12:17:52 AM
Post by: Fynci on May 24, 2018, 12:27:21 AM
Rondon anyone?? 16.5 million pound release clause. 28 years old. Showed he was a class act after the McCarthy injury. Powerful player. Worth a punt at that money surely and could he play with Tosun or too similar?
I like Rondon but I think it is more about that incident, and how he comes across as a person, rather than as a player. File under 'Naismith'.
Post by: Ramjam on May 24, 2018, 08:34:44 AM
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Post by: Lxxx on May 24, 2018, 04:18:54 PM
Does silva tend to play the same 4-2-3-1 formation we are used to?
I hope not. I'd like to see some tactical flexibility from the pretty rigid shite we've been served up the past four years.
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Post by: TheRam on May 24, 2018, 05:14:34 PM
It's amazing that people want us to push on to challenge the top 6 and then in the same breath say Rondon would a) be a good addition and b) be decent value at £16.5 million!
Scored about 8 goals across two seasons.
Post by: Lxxx on May 24, 2018, 05:24:41 PM
Scored about 8 goals across two seasons.
Missed about 8 chances in one game against us at their place. If DCL gets dogs abuse for his finishing then this guy wouldn't stand a chance.
Post by: TheRam on May 24, 2018, 05:28:57 PM
Missed about 8 chances in one game against us at their place. If DCL gets dogs abuse for his finishing then this guy wouldn't stand a chance.
Yep.
There's probably a lot more to his game than scoring goals, but it's this type of signing that has put us in the mess we're in now
Post by: blargins on May 24, 2018, 06:19:32 PM
Scored about 8 goals across two seasons.He’s more prolific than I thought.
Post by: brap2 on May 24, 2018, 09:13:10 PM
Post by: kramer0 on May 24, 2018, 09:20:17 PM
Especially attackers.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 24, 2018, 09:25:30 PM
If we want to be more than a mid-table side, we shouldn't be signing older players from the bottom of the table.
Especially attackers.
Evans at 4m seems like an exception? That would be too cheap to turn down
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 24, 2018, 09:31:47 PM
Scored about 8 goals across two seasons.Slight over reaction
Has 24 in 3 seasons
Whilst admittedly that's nowhere near enough he was playing in a pulis side
He's a 1 in 3 striker bar his West brom time
Post by: TheRam on May 24, 2018, 09:38:50 PM
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Post by: TheTone on May 24, 2018, 10:26:53 PM
Er, Da Doo, Ron Ron
Post by: kramer0 on May 24, 2018, 10:51:58 PM
Evans at 4m seems like an exception? That would be too cheap to turn down
Defensible but taking into account wages, an inevitable decline that could start any year, and the fact that two of our first team CBs are already over 30, I wouldn't do it.
Post by: Hawkandro on May 24, 2018, 10:53:09 PM
Spurs are the model still. Young, powerful, technically gifted players that can be moulded and developed into a unit. Swerve your Rondons la.
Llorente? (Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate)
Post by: Hawkandro on May 24, 2018, 10:53:58 PM
Defensible but taking into account wages, a decline that could start any year, and the fact that two of our first team CBs are already over 30, I wouldn’t do it.
Tah, anyone?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 24, 2018, 10:56:40 PM
Llorente? (Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate)
Nah, it's alright. It's a fair point and one I thought of when I was suggesting it. The difference being that he was just brought in as a backup, after they'd built a full squad of exciting young players. We need to create the core squad still, and I don't think Rondon or players of that ilk should be part of it.
Post by: Lxxx on May 24, 2018, 11:56:48 PM
Llorente? (Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate)
I think the fact he's hardly played and even when Kane was injured they've opted for Son means he's probably struggled with the demands expected of a Spurs player. Which is a credit to Spurs.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 25, 2018, 06:45:17 AM
Alternatively, we pack our front line with pace, a sum-of-the-parts kind of job. Dare I say like the RS or many of the other top teams. 3 players who will chase down everything and not give the defence a moment's rest all game. Spread the work between them, share the goals, so if one is in bad form/injured, the blow is lessened.
That's the kind of approach we need. Even finishing 7th last season, we were still very one dimensional. It doesn't even really have to equate to overly attacking football - we can still organise the defence, we would just have a lot more mobility and fluidity up front.
Post by: dunkster on May 25, 2018, 08:55:07 PM
A bold signature move for someone like lozano or rashford would be good.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 25, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
Salah, Mane and Firmino weren't particularly heralded as top drawer transfers but they're playing in a system that allows them to express themselves. Unfortunately for the next season or two, we're going to be playing catch-up. But it'd be nice to develop a playing identity and know that going into the next transfer window, we're buying players to improve/reinforce our system, instead of the ludicrous scattergun approach we saw last summer.
Post by: dunkster on May 26, 2018, 12:27:33 AM
Allardyce and koeman tactics seemed not to give a platform with that. The speed at which we played the game, the need for players to require 2 to 3 touches before passing, lack of movement from players, sideways, backwards..everything your opposition hopes for when they have to defend.
I hope to god the next guy targets that. I want to see snappy, one-twos around the box. If you only have one target man up front you have to have the guile to unlock defences
Post by: Juanito on May 26, 2018, 12:55:54 AM
Walcott is potentially that but we need a left sided threat as well. Bolasie just won't cut it.
A bold signature move for someone like lozano or rashford would be good.
Lozano on one side and Lookman on the other.
Post by: brap2 on May 26, 2018, 02:51:05 AM
Lozano on one side and Lookman on the other.
And a nippy little playmaking forward in the middle who’s comfortable dropping deep, pressing high or running channels.
Post by: Lxxx on May 26, 2018, 04:24:33 AM
And a nippy little playmaking forward in the middle who’s comfortable dropping deep, pressing high or running channels.
Walcott? Minus the playmaking.
Post by: brap2 on May 26, 2018, 06:19:34 AM
Walcott? Minus the playmaking.
Yep no chance, he’s an out ball not a ball player.
Post by: dunkster on May 27, 2018, 03:15:19 PM
Post by: Silas on May 27, 2018, 03:16:18 PM
Post by: Ramjam on May 27, 2018, 03:39:17 PM
I wish we could get Mata. Even aging he would be perfectHe would certainly stabilise the midfield and add a level of steel and composure to the squad.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on May 27, 2018, 04:18:19 PM
Pace? Walcott on the right, Lookman on the left? With a fast, goal scoring PROPER class striker through the middle is what we need. Add a midfield general and invest in our ageing centre back situation too. Sorting a decent pacey attack keeps opposition teams from venturing forward and risking supported attacks, so it would help with our defence. I really think we need to push the boat out and sign a Lukaku type again and have a manager with the balls to play with 2 hard working wingers.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 27, 2018, 04:34:08 PM
Playmaker? Whats wrong with Sigurdsson?
Pace? Walcott on the right, Lookman on the left? With a fast, goal scoring PROPER class striker through the middle is what we need. Add a midfield general and invest in our ageing centre back situation too. Sorting a decent pacey attack keeps opposition teams from venturing forward and risking supported attacks, so it would help with our defence. I really think we need to push the boat out and sign a Lukaku type again and have a manager with the balls to play with 2 hard working wingers.
Sigurdsson really isn’t a playmaker. We need someone who goes past players and with better creativity. He’s a good player. Should be in the team but he’s not a playmaker
Post by: djws1788 on May 27, 2018, 05:03:06 PM
Post by: TrevorSteven on May 28, 2018, 06:49:41 PM
Would love Rashford or Martial if either are genuinely available
Thats exactly players and ability we should go for! Show some ambitions change Cuco Martina with a Martial.
Post by: TrevorSteven on May 28, 2018, 06:52:09 PM
Sigurdsson really isn’t a playmaker. We need someone who goes past players and with better creativity. He’s a good player. Should be in the team but he’s not a playmaker
Sigurdsson is like a kicker in the NFL. If we could put him in at every deadball and then change him again it would be perfect. As Steve Walsh and Koeman should know that is actually not allowed and hence we should never have used 40-50 million pounds for him. Dreadfull signing.
Post by: blargins on May 28, 2018, 06:57:25 PM
Sigurdsson is like a kicker in the NFL. If we could put him in at every deadball and then change him again it would be perfect. As Steve Walsh and Koeman should know that is actually not allowed and hence we should never have used 40-50 million pounds for him. Dreadfull signing.
He didn't actually do that much from dead balls last season, but he's still a decent player and worth a spot in the squad. His outlay will be beaten again this summer so it won't "feel" as bad. The 30 mill we paid for Bolasie feels worse to me, even before his injury.
Post by: brap2 on May 28, 2018, 08:46:15 PM
I didn’t particularly want him, but I have grown to quite like him. Absolutely guaranteed goals and assists in the prem - just needs ball magnets around him to actually get involved in the play.
Say what you want about rooney he did want the ball, sig not so much, which is why he couldn’t make it at a higher level. You need to do both e.g hazard, coutinho, de bruyne etc.
Post by: Macca77 on May 28, 2018, 10:24:03 PM
Post by: Ross on May 28, 2018, 10:26:40 PM
He didn't actually do that much from dead balls last season, but he's still a decent player and worth a spot in the squad. His outlay will be beaten again this summer so it won't "feel" as bad. The 30 mill we paid for Bolasie feels worse to me, even before his injury.
Can’t see us spending £45m+ on a player any time soon.
Post by: blue slug on May 28, 2018, 10:33:53 PM
Can’t see us spending £45m+ on a player any time soon.
Well we need to lol
Post by: Ross on May 28, 2018, 10:52:00 PM
Well we need to lol
Think we need to buy the right player and not be to concerned about spending “big” really. We’ve wasted an awful lot recently on “premier league proven” players who ultimately aren’t that much better than what we have and have no scope for developing, wrong age and wrong time for premium prices.
I reckon we need to look for younger, hungrier players with potential to develope and grow here, and they aren’t the ones you’d need to break the bank for most of the time.
Post by: Free Agent on May 28, 2018, 10:52:47 PM
Can’t see us spending £45m+ on a player any time soon.
45m would be the going rate for a half decent player now. Transfer fee inflation isn’t stopping anytime soon
Post by: blargins on May 28, 2018, 10:55:27 PM
Think we need to buy the right player and not be to concerned about spending “big” really. We’ve wasted an awful lot recently on “premier league proven” players who ultimately aren’t that much better than what we have and have no scope for developing, wrong age and wrong time for premium prices.
I reckon we need to look for younger, hungrier players with potential to develope and grow here, and they aren’t the ones you’d need to break the bank for most of the time.
I'd prefer that model too, but a big name here or there wouldn't go amiss. We need to be finding the next Salah and that type of player ideally.
And a few Walcott type bargains are always good too. I think if we'd have got Sig for 30 and Walcott for 30, we wouldn't be so concerned about Sig's price and yet the two together are still a 60 million outlay.
Post by: Ross on May 28, 2018, 10:55:54 PM
45m would be the going rate for a half decent player now. Transfer fee inflation isn’t stopping anytime soon
That’d rule out about 99% of the worlds football clubs from buying half decent players.
Post by: Ross on May 28, 2018, 11:01:48 PM
I'd prefer that model too, but a big name here or there wouldn't go amiss. We need to be finding the next Salah and that type of player ideally.
And a few Walcott type bargains are always good too. I think if we'd have got Sig for 30 and Walcott for 30, we wouldn't be so concerned about Sig's price and yet the two together are still a 60 million outlay.
To be honest I’ve been underwhelmed by both and expect there’s much better for a lot less.
Maybe it’s all been down to the tactics of the managers but neither have impressed or excited since they came I’d say and considering the respective ages I don’t see them getting much better next season regardless of who’s in charge.
Post by: blargins on May 28, 2018, 11:20:13 PM
To be honest I’ve been underwhelmed by both and expect there’s much better for a lot less.
Maybe it’s all been down to the tactics of the managers but neither have impressed or excited since they came I’d say and considering the respective ages I don’t see them getting much better next season regardless of who’s in charge.
Not sure you'll get much better than Walcott for 20 mill. That's an absolute bargain these days.
And don't forget we've had most of the season with Fat Sam's shitty tactics, I think both will improve with a manager who knows something about football.
Post by: Macca77 on May 29, 2018, 12:03:14 AM
Can’t see us spending £45m+ on a player any time soon.
I reckon we will, spend big again this summer
Post by: Ross on May 29, 2018, 01:44:07 AM
I reckon we will, spend big again this summer
Time will tell but I can’t see it myself. Think we’ll havd a job shifting some of the ones who are now surplus given the wages we’ve been splashing out.
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 29, 2018, 02:26:41 AM
Post by: blue slug on May 29, 2018, 02:30:27 AM
I'd rather pay less, build a squad of hard workers and young hungry talents than splash a load for the sake of it
I don’t want us to waste money but if the right player is available and costs 40m I want us to go for them
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 29, 2018, 03:13:03 AM
Post by: Morta75 on May 29, 2018, 03:44:55 AM
When people mention Rondon I start to wonder what they aim at... 16-10 on tabell...
Martial we should go all inn on in my opinion... offer him £150.000 a week and pay what they demand.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 29, 2018, 04:05:36 AM
spend the money on quality... not quantity! If we have a chance to bring in that splash the cash.
When people mention Rondon I start to wonder what they aim at... 16-10 on tabell...
Martial we should go all inn on in my opinion... offer him £150.000 a week and pay what they demand.
Surely that depends on what they demand. We actually did this last season. From a position of power we still paid top whack for Pickford Keane and sigurdsson. We need to find value not pay what they demand regardless
Post by: Ramjam on May 29, 2018, 09:07:10 AM
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 29, 2018, 12:40:09 PM
Post by: Waltzer on May 29, 2018, 01:58:31 PM
Said last season we needed 2-3 key top class signings. Will be the same this time.
And I think thats where our historic recruitment policy has fallen over. We havent got the stature, at present, to recruit top class players, which leads us to paying loads for 'very good' players. Moshiri tried to run before he could walk and its set us back, i think we'll be a bit more pragmatic and get players we actually need, rather than looking for a big name/big signing just to make a statement.
Post by: brap2 on May 29, 2018, 02:13:18 PM
And I think thats where our historic recruitment policy has fallen over. We havent got the stature, at present, to recruit top class players, which leads us to paying loads for 'very good' players. Moshiri tried to run before he could walk and its set us back, i think we'll be a bit more pragmatic and get players we actually need, rather than looking for a big name/big signing just to make a statement.
Couldn’t agree more. The market we’re shopping in is a West Ham / Newcastle market with an insane mark up for having a bit of doh.
We need to be smarter, there IS value out there and it will be increasingly important that we can get a return on some of these players in the future, Moshiri is rich but he’s not limitless. With the inefficiency of the football market in the uk especially, we need to find ways and angles of getting better for less.
Post by: Toddacelli on May 29, 2018, 02:29:38 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on May 29, 2018, 02:37:39 PM
Post by: Makis on May 29, 2018, 02:49:24 PM
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 03:03:25 PM
45m would be the going rate for a half decent player now. Transfer fee inflation isn’t stopping anytime soon
Latter statement is fair. The former is rubbish.
Post by: Brownie on May 29, 2018, 04:20:36 PM
Only if you have Usmanov's personal phone number.
I've got Bale's nephew on hand. He's only 6 though so I don't know if he's got much sway
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 04:38:21 PM
I've got Bale's nephew on hand. He's only 6 though so I don't know if he's got much sway
If he's left footed can he play left back?
Post by: brap2 on May 29, 2018, 05:51:17 PM
Absolutely nothing about stats, data or identifying profiles. Not that I would expect him to go into that or even be into it, but it really, really should be a massive part of our process now....just look at Liverpool.
Overnight they’ve just sorted themselves a CL level midfield. What are we doing? Watching YouTube clips maybe...
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 05:54:04 PM
Unsworth talking about how we identify youth talents in the echo.
Absolutely nothing about stats, data or identifying profiles. Not that I would expect him to go into that or even be into it, but it really, really should be a massive part of our process now....just look at Liverpool.
Overnight they’ve just sorted themselves a CL level midfield. What are we doing? Watching YouTube clips maybe...
Appointing a new DoF to put an entirely new structure into place that will take time to manifest?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 29, 2018, 06:00:41 PM
Bale for £200m, anyone?
He’s a fantastic player but 200m is ridiculous given his age and the fact real actually want to sell. Be surprised if they are offered half that
Post by: brap2 on May 29, 2018, 06:08:59 PM
Appointing a new DoF to put an entirely new structure into place that will take time to manifest?
Yeah 100% my hope - my arse is just going here it’s not even June and I’ve completely flapped it
Post by: Brownie on May 29, 2018, 06:11:08 PM
Yeah 100% my hope - my arse is just going here it’s not even June and I’ve completely flapped it
Chill mate. You'll live longer
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 06:12:10 PM
Yeah 100% my hope - my arse is just going here it’s not even June and I’ve completely flapped it
They won't win the league anytime soon. 25 points behind City, and City will get better. Ok, they will probably challenge for cups, but even then, Saturday was a massive, massive chance for that club. They might not make it back to a CL final for 15 years. They were lucky to get a good draw (City aside) in a year that was generally weak for the elite clubs.
They've missed the boat massively.
Post by: Macca77 on May 29, 2018, 06:17:34 PM
They won't win the league anytime soon. 25 points behind City, and City will get better. Ok, they will probably challenge for cups, but even then, Saturday was a massive, massive chance for that club. They might not make it back to a CL final for 15 years. They were lucky to get a good draw (City aside) in a year that was generally weak for the elite clubs.
They've missed the boat massively.
I love you
Post by: brap2 on May 29, 2018, 06:27:27 PM
I love you
He’s been doing my mental state the world of good for about 3 months.
Stepped up a gear this year BD. An eye on Glewis / Rhys poster of the year spot imo
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 06:40:43 PM
He’s been doing my mental state the world of good for about 3 months.
Stepped up a gear this year BD. An eye on Glewis / Rhys poster of the year spot imo
Mate I'm relentlessly positive where Everton are concerned, probably to a fault sometimes where I overlook bad stuff, and overhype good stuff, and I'm often wrong.
I just think 'what's the alternative?'. I've spent too long feeling miserable about Everton and expecting the worst, and it hasn't really brought me anything other than angst and misery. I do think the 'Everton that' mentality runs through the club from top to bottom, and I do think it hurts us as a club. I think we lose big games and collapse in pressure situations because of it. Kinda tied into what Liz was saying the other day, I suppose.
Post by: van der Meyde on May 29, 2018, 06:58:42 PM
Unsworth talking about how we identify youth talents in the echo.How exactly do you expect Unsworth and his team to do that though?
Absolutely nothing about stats, data or identifying profiles. Not that I would expect him to go into that or even be into it, but it really, really should be a massive part of our process now....just look at Liverpool.
Overnight they’ve just sorted themselves a CL level midfield. What are we doing? Watching YouTube clips maybe...
You can't really do that with players who've barely played a first team game, can you.
Post by: brap2 on May 29, 2018, 08:05:33 PM
How exactly do you expect Unsworth and his team to do that though?
You can't really do that with players who've barely played a first team game, can you.
You’re right. I’m sure that sort of data does exist for youth leagues but no idea how representative it would even be.
Like I say, just flapping.
Post by: van der Meyde on May 29, 2018, 08:52:01 PM
You’re right. I’m sure that sort of data does exist for youth leagues but no idea how representative it would even be.Agree on the general principle, like. Although I'm not sure I'd really credit Liverpool as a triumph of analytics, more of joined up thinking.
Like I say, just flapping.
They've obviously done really well. I just don't think it takes much in the way of analytics to have identified Salah (20+ G+A in his last two seasons at Roma), Mane (15+ G+A in his two seasons at Southampton) or Firmino (17+ G+A in his last two seasons at Hoffenheim). Every man and their dog who Virgil Van Dijk and Oxlade-Chamberlain were and they had competition from big clubs. Even their signings for next season, Keita and Fabinho, were consistently knocking in 10+ G+A from deeper positions in competitive leagues.
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 08:59:09 PM
Agree on the general principle, like. Although I'm not sure I'd really credit Liverpool as a triumph of analytics, more of joined up thinking.
They've obviously done really well. I just don't think it takes much in the way of analytics to have identified Salah (20+ G+A in his last two seasons at Roma), Mane (15+ G+A in his two seasons at Southampton) or Firmino (17+ G+A in his last two seasons at Hoffenheim). Every man and their dog who Virgil Van Dijk and Oxlade-Chamberlain were and they had competition from big clubs. Even their signings for next season, Keita and Fabinho, were consistently knocking in 10+ G+A from deeper positions in competitive leagues.
I think it's the age profile more than anything. They've bought players at an age where there is plenty of opportunity for them to grow, both in ability and in value. Makes for sustainable squad planning and future proofs the coming years.
Post by: van der Meyde on May 29, 2018, 09:11:15 PM
I think it's the age profile more than anything. They've bought players at an age where there is plenty of opportunity for them to grow, both in ability and in value. Makes for sustainable squad planning and future proofs the coming years.Definitely. Their recent signings all have the attributes that are needed to play in a Klopp side. The defensive players are able to contribute on the ball and play a high line, while those in midfield are all able to run quickly for days.
There's just a lot of coherent thought going on there and it really doesn't take long to turn things around. It's why I've got a fair bit of hope for the future now we've got Brands in.
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 09:45:30 PM
Definitely. Their recent signings all have the attributes that are needed to play in a Klopp side. The defensive players are able to contribute on the ball and play a high line, while those in midfield are all able to run quickly for days.
There's just a lot of coherent thought going on there and it really doesn't take long to turn things around. It's why I've got a fair bit of hope for the future now we've got Brands in.
We'll only be as effective as the strategy he wants to implement on how we set up though. If for example Roberto Martinez was a DoF we'd be purchasing and moulding a completely different type of footballer to the road Liverpool seem to be going down.
I'm all for a DoF at the club and putting in some much needed structure but not knowing much about him we'll only see if it's a positive move if our style of play and calibre of footballer improves. Which I'm sure it will, it can't get much worse. I just hope he shares a similar view as the majority of fans and identifies high energy and pace as requisites.
Post by: van der Meyde on May 29, 2018, 10:17:21 PM
I just hope he shares a similar view as the majority of fans and identifies high energy and pace as requisites.Must admit I'm less of an aesthete. I'll take any style that wins football matches personally. :)
Post by: Shogun on May 29, 2018, 10:51:35 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 29, 2018, 11:07:37 PM
Our youth talents trump all over Liverpool’s so I don’t see an issue.
Does it? We haven’t produced a top quality player since rooney and I wouldn’t even hazard a guess on the 1 before him. We seem to produce a lot of decent players but nowt that could play for a top 4 side.
Post by: Shogun on May 29, 2018, 11:22:26 PM
Does it? We haven’t produced a top quality player since rooney and I wouldn’t even hazard a guess on the 1 before him. We seem to produce a lot of decent players but nowt that could play for a top 4 side.
And who have Liverpool produced?
Alexander-Arnold who is riding a wave and could well fall by the way side and bought Dominic Solanke who has been woeful.
Post by: GLewis on May 29, 2018, 11:31:02 PM
Does it? We haven’t produced a top quality player since rooney and I wouldn’t even hazard a guess on the 1 before him. We seem to produce a lot of decent players but nowt that could play for a top 4 side.
Barkley and Rodwell were both bought by the top sides just hasn’t/ isn’t working out.
But we should be aiming for a consistent level of player. You should be able to sell the club to young players that there’s a very good chance of a pro career if you sign up with us as that’s what most players end up as.
Your world class players are mainly luck.
Post by: brap2 on May 29, 2018, 11:43:37 PM
Barkley and Rodwell were both bought by the top sides just hasn’t/ isn’t working out.
But we should be aiming for a consistent level of player. You should be able to sell the club to young players that there’s a very good chance of a pro career if you sign up with us as that’s what most players end up as.
Your world class players are mainly luck.
Whereas in the meantime Liverpool are regularly selling garbage like Kevin Stewart for £8m.
It’s no good us having big talents like ledson or Walsh or what looks like probably Pennington, Galloway, Browning - look like big talents and end up having a career somewhere, after we’ve released them for free or for pennies.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 29, 2018, 11:44:04 PM
And who have Liverpool produced?
Alexander-Arnold who is riding a wave and could well fall by the way side and bought Dominic Solanke who has been woeful.
So neither have produced anything of note. Sterling (I know they bought him as a kid) Gerrard, Owen, fowler, mcmannam. I know it’s going back quite some way but I’m that time we only had rooney who’s that level
Think we’ve massively overhyped our setup. We produce a lot of good professionals but so far very little that’s top quality. Time will tell on our current batch but none of them look fantastic
Post by: Morta75 on May 30, 2018, 12:03:22 AM
Surely that depends on what they demand. We actually did this last season. From a position of power we still paid top whack for Pickford Keane and sigurdsson. We need to find value not pay what they demand regardlessDon't agree with you on that one. Pickford and Sigurdsson we paid lot's of money for and I would say they have been by fare the best players this season. They had also showed the season before and so one that they are premier leauge proven quality.
Keane had one good season, thats it.
I agree that we have to find good money for value, but then we need to sign young players for the future. In my opinion we have many allready in the youth system that will be first team regulars in the coming years given the chance.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 30, 2018, 12:18:43 AM
Don't agree with you on that one. Pickford and Sigurdsson we paid lot's of money for and I would say they have been by fare the best players this season. They had also showed the season before and so one that they are premier leauge proven quality.
Keane had one good season, thats it.
I agree that we have to find good money for value, but then we need to sign young players for the future. In my opinion we have many allready in the youth system that will be first team regulars in the coming years given the chance.
Sigurdsson was practically on strike at 1 stage and Pickford came from a relegated practically bankrupt team. We paid absolutely top dollar for both without much competition from anywhere
I think the majority would say Pickford turned out to be value but it was still the very top end of the prices people were predicting before he signed
Keanes another 1. Very little competition, last year of his contract 25m rising to 30.
We didn’t drive hard bargains
Post by: GLewis on May 30, 2018, 03:08:05 AM
Whereas in the meantime Liverpool are regularly selling garbage like Kevin Stewart for £8m.
It’s no good us having big talents like ledson or Walsh or what looks like probably Pennington, Galloway, Browning - look like big talents and end up having a career somewhere, after we’ve released them for free or for pennies.
That’s mainly because of who they are.
Utd creamed millions for years off very average players who had made 1/2 league cup appearances because people assume they must be good.
Rather than the quality of player we produce, we need to be better (probably more ruthless too) at shifting people before it’s realised that they’re not that good.
I think that we hold on to players though as if they develop later we don’t want to miss out.
Post by: Silas on May 30, 2018, 03:10:03 AM
That’s mainly because of who they are.
Utd creamed millions for years off very average players who had made 1/2 league cup appearances because people assume they must be good.
Rather than the quality of player we produce, we need to be better (probably more ruthless too) at shifting people before it’s realised that they’re not that good.
I think that we hold on to players though as if they develop later we don’t want to miss out.
Yep, hell people were talking about how we missed out by not keeping Shane Duffy!
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 30, 2018, 03:18:27 AM
Yep, hell people were talking about how we missed out by not keeping Shane Duffy!
Don’t forget Hope Akpan
Post by: Juanito on May 30, 2018, 03:22:52 AM
One player? Mata
Add:
Sessegnon
Tierney
Lascelles
Doucoure
Rodriguez
Choudhury
Traore
Great list, although which Rodriguez?
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 30, 2018, 04:14:23 AM
Great list, although which Rodriguez?Hamez
Post by: sixymack on June 01, 2018, 01:31:01 AM
Post by: blue slug on June 01, 2018, 01:38:25 AM
What about an offer for Victor Wanyama? I think he could do a job for us in the DM position
Or dembele he’s class
Post by: brap2 on June 01, 2018, 01:43:53 AM
I bloody love him, but what sort of midfield can he function in? Sounds like we want a holder/destroyer/distributor with the Carvalho/Torreira links (bang up for either or both, maybe torreira over Carvalho - he’s like a good Besic)...but if we’re being honest, Schneiderlin is that sort of player an all, and throughout his career in the Prem has actually been one of the best at it in the league.
Either way they need a replacement for Rooney - a player who wants on the ball CONSTANTLY and wants to dribble up the pitch or make killer balls.
I dunno, can’t really guess what midfield we’re going to have, and Gana with Carvalho or Torreira sounds like it might have similar problems as we had this year, especially if we have Gylfi in the 10.
Post by: American Evertonian on June 01, 2018, 01:50:15 AM
Mildly concerned about our Gana.
I bloody love him, but what sort of midfield can he function in? Sounds like we want a holder/destroyer/distributor with the Carvalho/Torreira links (bang up for either or both, maybe torreira over Carvalho - he’s like a good Besic)...but if we’re being honest, Schneiderlin is that sort of player an all, and throughout his career in the Prem has actually been one of the best at it in the league.
Either way they need a replacement for Rooney - a player who wants on the ball CONSTANTLY and wants to dribble up the pitch or make killer balls.
I dunno, can’t really guess what midfield we’re going to have, and Gana with Carvalho or Torreira sounds like it might have similar problems as we had this year, especially if we have Gylfi in the 10.
The more I kept reading the more I kept thinking "God our team is a mess"
Post by: Shogun on June 01, 2018, 02:20:06 AM
Post by: Goaljira on June 01, 2018, 02:24:23 AM
Post by: blue slug on June 01, 2018, 02:24:48 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 01, 2018, 02:26:19 AM
Post by: blue slug on June 01, 2018, 02:29:19 AM
Post by: brap2 on June 01, 2018, 02:55:19 AM
Whereve we been linked to Torreira?
Seen a few bits and bobs - articles and twitter chat mostly like.
Apparently has a release clause.
I think Gana is more of the player Silva wants than Schneiderlin.
He’s a world class destroyer, but I’m not sure he can sit on his own, and we know he can’t go forward.
I love him but I just can’t work out what sort of 3 man midfield we will have. The only one that worked this year was I think
Rooney (distributor)
Gana (press/forward) Davies (same)
So maybe :
Carvalho/Torreira
Gana Ozyakup
And then what’s ganas job? Cause I don’t really want him legging forward anymore.
overthinking it I think, and I don’t really know what I’m talking about re: cm roles, the basic message here is : I’m worried about how it’s going to fit together in the middle, but I know it’s very important that it does..
Post by: Bluedylan on June 01, 2018, 03:02:19 AM
Seen a few bits and bobs - articles and twitter chat mostly like.
Apparently has a release clause.
He’s a world class destroyer, but I’m not sure he can sit on his own, and we know he can’t go forward.
I love him but I just can’t work out what sort of 3 man midfield we will have. The only one that worked this year was I think
Rooney (distributor)
Gana (press/forward) Davies (same)
So maybe :
Carvalho/Torreira
Gana Ozyakup
And then what’s ganas job? Cause I don’t really want him legging forward anymore.
overthinking it I think, and I don’t really know what I’m talking about re: cm roles, the basic message here is : I’m worried about how it’s going to fit together in the middle, but I know it’s very important that it does..
Maybe have Gana deeper as the destroyer, and tell him to just lay 5/10 balls to team-mates when he wins it, and have the playmaker type as one of the players in front of Gana?
Post by: blue slug on June 01, 2018, 03:09:56 AM
Post by: GLewis on June 01, 2018, 03:14:29 AM
Maybe have Gana deeper as the destroyer, and tell him to just lay 5/10 balls to team-mates when he wins it, and have the playmaker type as one of the players in front of Gana?
I’d assume in a more structured team then Gueye wouldn’t seem as bad with the ball.
I think he should be fine to be instructed to carry the ball from our half up towards the other team’s area and then as long as there’s a plan for who/ where he will pass it then that would be ok.
When he’s left to use his own ingenuity then he looks lost.
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 01, 2018, 03:15:09 AM
Fuck all but click bait
Post by: Goaljira on June 01, 2018, 03:18:05 AM
Seen a few bits and bobs - articles and twitter chat mostly like.
Apparently has a release clause.
I've only seen him linked to Napoli. Would take him like.
Post by: brap2 on June 01, 2018, 03:22:08 AM
I've only seen him linked to Napoli. Would take him like.
Yeah will probably be jorginhos replacement I assume?
Meh, would be well into him but can’t see it.
Would like to test zenit for Paredes.
Post by: Goaljira on June 01, 2018, 03:24:02 AM
Yeah will probably be jorginhos replacement I assume?
Meh, would be well into him but can’t see it.
Would like to test zenit for Paredes.
Not sure i've seen anything of Paredes?
Post by: blue slug on June 01, 2018, 03:28:05 AM
Not sure i've seen anything of Paredes?
Good defensive midfielder loads of energy
Post by: brap2 on June 01, 2018, 03:30:06 AM
Not sure i've seen anything of Paredes?
23m Euro’s to zenit in 2017, strolls around that league like big willy in Portugal. Similar, but lots of vertical passes to deep runners.
Post by: plumber on June 01, 2018, 08:56:09 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 01, 2018, 10:18:28 PM
I'd assume in a more structured team then Gueye wouldn't seem as bad with the ball.
I think he should be fine to be instructed to carry the ball from our half up towards the other team's area and then as long as there's a plan for who/ where he will pass it then that would be ok.
When he's left to use his own ingenuity then he looks lost.
I like Gueye he’s an absolute machine how consistently he wins the ball back, but he does have his downfalls. Can leave us open when he goes chasing and wasteful in possession.
I think he’s better when used as a 2 man DM against teams who dominate possession against us.
Post by: stirlingblue on June 02, 2018, 05:14:58 AM
I see Daniel Podence has submitted his resignation. Tricky young winger/forward with bags of potential, would be perfect for us.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AxBPsR_ZjDw
Post by: Trowel on June 02, 2018, 05:37:39 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 02, 2018, 05:48:00 AM
Tenuous Arnautovic link in tomorrow's shite rag.Linked with man u for 50m yday
Swerve
Post by: sam of the south on June 02, 2018, 05:58:37 AM
Linked with man u for 50m yday
Swerve
£50m for Arnautovic? 😳
Fuck, if that’s a yardstick of the prices it’s going to be a barren summer for most.
Post by: kramer0 on June 02, 2018, 06:25:07 AM
£50m for Arnautovic?
Fuck, if that's a yardstick of the prices it's going to be a barren summer for most.
That’s a PL player one year into his contract price.
Which is why it’s stupid to sign them. Especially older ones.
Post by: blargins on June 02, 2018, 10:57:46 AM
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2018, 03:20:37 PM
Post by: TheRam on June 02, 2018, 06:03:28 PM
Think it’s all lazy stuff.
I’m sure we’ll start seeing us linked with a better profile of player soon.
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2018, 08:56:20 PM
All a bit Steve Walsh with the players were getting linked with at the moment.
Think it’s all lazy stuff.
I’m sure we’ll start seeing us linked with a better profile of player soon.
Seen loads of twitter chat about Vardy and Wilshere - fuck that.
Torreira
Diop
Maddison
Lozano
Ziyech
Batsuayi
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 02, 2018, 08:58:45 PM
Seen loads of twitter chat about Vardy and Wilshere - fuck that.
Torreira
Diop
Maddison
Lozano
Ziyech
Batsuayi
Is Batshuayi still possibly available? Had thought that availability window closed. Be fully buzzing if we got him. A front line with him, Lookman, and eventually Onyekuru? Could be special.
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2018, 08:59:47 PM
Is Batshuayi still possibly available? Had thought that availability window closed. Be fully buzzing if we got him. A front line with him, Lookman, and eventually Onyekuru? Could be special.
Getting the impression we are in for him actually yeah.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 02, 2018, 09:00:16 PM
Is Batshuayi still possibly available? Had thought that availability window closed. Be fully buzzing if we got him. A front line with him, Lookman, and eventually Onyekuru? Could be special.
Isn’t he injured? Did well at Dortmund but thought he got himself a quite serious injury that ended his season and World Cup hopes
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 02, 2018, 09:02:48 PM
Isn’t he injured? Did well at Dortmund but thought he got himself a quite serious injury that ended his season and World Cup hopes
oh merde, I missed that. As long as it's not the kind of injury that is career-inhibiting. Shame about the World Cup, though that side is stacked as is.
Post by: Redartin on June 02, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
When you say "better profile" do you mean a well known established player?
I’m sure we’ll start seeing us linked with a better profile of player soon.
Is Brands not more of a bargin hunter than going for a big named player.
For eg: Jose Angelino, a left back from Man City. Currently linked with PSV for €10m.
I'm assuming one of Brands last recommendations.
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2018, 10:37:34 PM
When you say "better profile" do you mean a well known established player?
Is Brands not more of a bargin hunter than going for a big named player.
For eg: Jose Angelino, a left back from Man City. Currently linked with PSV for €10m.
I'm assuming one of Brands last recommendations.
I reckon he means like profile in terms of fit - age, price, quality.
Post by: dunkster on June 03, 2018, 03:04:13 PM
I'd imagine he believes there is enough there for 3 - 4 ready made star players and a few quid for emerging talent
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 03, 2018, 04:15:08 PM
So let's put that to bed nice and early. We can get better for that money I reckon.
Post by: curro.uk on June 03, 2018, 04:39:59 PM
Watford say they will not entertain bids under £40m for winger Richarlison, 21, and will not sell the Brazilian to Everton for any price. (Mirror)Just bring Deulofeu back then.
So let's put that to bed nice and early. We can get better for that money I reckon.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 03, 2018, 04:44:25 PM
Just bring Deulofeu back then.
Jesus please no.
Post by: Brownie on June 03, 2018, 04:55:35 PM
Post by: dunkster on June 03, 2018, 06:13:03 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 03, 2018, 06:17:36 PM
50m for Arnautovic and 40m for Richarlison?
This is one reason why we got Brands in, buying from other Premiership teams is almost pointless, they don't need the money so can slap ridiculously price tags on players they want to keep, and go off laughing if anyone is daft enough to pay it. Far better value around the world, especially South America
Post by: Ramjam on June 03, 2018, 06:18:44 PM
lololSo why can’t we do the same?
50m for Arnautovic and 40m for Richarlison?
This is one reason why we got Brands in, buying from other Premiership teams is almost pointless, they don't need the money so can slap ridiculously price tags on players they want to keep, and go off laughing if anyone is daft enough to pay it. Far better value around the world, especially South America
Post by: dunkster on June 03, 2018, 06:30:01 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6432995/marko-arnautovic-everton-marco-silva-west-ham-50m/
Obviously taken with a pinch of salt being from the sun. Buy I'm sure I read it from another rag as well
Post by: Ramjam on June 03, 2018, 06:40:49 PM
Post by: TheRam on June 03, 2018, 06:44:27 PM
It from the worst sources out there.
Post by: sam of the south on June 03, 2018, 06:45:08 PM
Post by: blargins on June 03, 2018, 06:48:41 PM
I'd do a straight swap with Bolasie though...
Post by: Ramjam on June 03, 2018, 06:48:56 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 03, 2018, 07:05:36 PM
So why can’t we do the same?
Do what? We stuck a massive fee on Lukaku, tried to with Barkley.
It's not like we're overflowing with players other teams want tho
Post by: Ramjam on June 03, 2018, 07:16:33 PM
Do what? We stuck a massive fee on Lukaku, tried to with Barkley.Suppose you have a point there and probably would have got double our money for Barkley if he hadn’t run his contract down
It's not like we're overflowing with players other teams want tho
Post by: Ramjam on June 03, 2018, 07:19:30 PM
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2018, 07:23:07 PM
Who was the last player we had other than Lukaku that we received a decent fee for?
Stones.
Post by: Ramjam on June 03, 2018, 07:24:43 PM
Stones.Ah, forget about him
Post by: blargins on June 03, 2018, 07:28:11 PM
I think we even got good money for Barkley. Chelsea fans feel mugged there lol
Post by: Ramjam on June 03, 2018, 07:30:25 PM
We've normally always got good money for our best players. Fellaini before Stones.Suppose that makes up for Dan Gozling
I think we even got good money for Barkley. Chelsea fans feel mugged there lol
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2018, 07:36:29 PM
Ah, forget about him
At the moment it’s hard to see who we’d get good money for if we were to start selling players and considering the money we’ve spent these last few years that’s pretty terrible.
Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2018, 07:38:11 PM
We've normally always got good money for our best players. Fellaini before Stones..................................Jack Rodwell says hi
I think we even got good money for Barkley. Chelsea fans feel mugged there lol
Post by: Waltzer on June 03, 2018, 07:41:01 PM
Who was the last player we had other than Lukaku that we received a decent fee for?We got a fair bit for Lukaku, but I still think they got the better end of the deal in terms of transfer fee
Post by: Polledreng on June 03, 2018, 07:42:56 PM
.................................Jack Rodwell says hidaylight robery
Post by: Brownie on June 03, 2018, 09:05:41 PM
Post by: Omar on June 03, 2018, 10:43:23 PM
:woohoo:
Post by: Gumpinio on June 04, 2018, 12:52:53 AM
Post by: Ravardo on June 04, 2018, 02:25:42 AM
Brands over at Anfield watching Brazil v Croatia
Possibly there watching Marcelo Brozovic who's a creative midfielder which in my eyes is the first position we need to fill now that wazza's doing the off and lalso losing barkley
Post by: Outworlder47 on June 04, 2018, 03:40:16 AM
Possibly there watching Marcelo Brozovic who's a creative midfielder which in my eyes is the first position we need to fill now that wazza's doing the off and lalso losing barkley
Brozovic is a box-to-box type that can create. Very good player, if Inter would be willing to let him go. Duje Caleta-Car could have been another, young CB who had a really solid season with RB Salzburg.
Post by: Makis on June 04, 2018, 03:50:52 AM
Post by: Shogun on June 04, 2018, 03:55:44 AM
Post by: sam of the south on June 04, 2018, 04:05:53 AM
Brands over at Anfield watching Brazil v Croatia
I knew it, he’s a fuckin’ Kopite!
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2018, 05:52:44 AM
Probably just took the opportunity to watch a bit of footy five minutes away.
This.
Took the opportunity to take in a game of togger.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 04, 2018, 02:32:05 PM
https://twitter.com/stevie1919/status/1001785411801374720
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 04, 2018, 02:38:44 PM
Spending does not work like that and has not done for decades.
There is no feasible upper limit of what we will spend.
Anything we do spend is spread over the length of the contract the player signs.
Any fee's quoted in the press is pure and utter guess work and will include the most random of things (inc wages sometimes).
We will have already made enquiries into dozens of players. Dozens.
Post by: brap2 on June 04, 2018, 03:39:57 PM
Random tweet:
https://twitter.com/stevie1919/status/1001785411801374720
Talks a lot of almost certain wham this fella - However - he’s been not far of the mark a few times i think. Maybe a case of parroting early rumours I dunno.
Post by: Makis on June 04, 2018, 03:48:19 PM
Post by: sam of the south on June 04, 2018, 04:14:31 PM
Random tweet:
https://twitter.com/stevie1919/status/1001785411801374720
Yeah, he’s just collating rumours.
Diop seems destined for Barca, and Lozano will likely go to a top club as well.
I wouldn’t be surprised with Carvalho or Batshuayi, and I wouldn’t be disappointed with either, although from the rumoured CM/DM/ACM targets I’ve heard I would be more intrigued by N’Doram, Torreira, and Maddison over Big Willy.
Batshuayi would definitely give us an added dimension, though.
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 04, 2018, 04:25:05 PM
Isn't he injured? Did well at Dortmund but thought he got himself a quite serious injury that ended his season and World Cup hopesHes just tweeted hes going the world cup. Must be like Lazarus.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 04, 2018, 04:33:34 PM
Hes just tweeted hes going the world cup. Must be like Lazarus.
God only knows. He definitely got injured and I’m sure the story at the time was he’d miss it. Maybe I’ve dreamt it
Post by: sam of the south on June 04, 2018, 04:39:32 PM
God only knows. He definitely got injured and I’m sure the story at the time was he’d miss it. Maybe I’ve dreamt it
Human Growth Hormone is a remarkable thing ;)
Post by: Macca77 on June 04, 2018, 04:41:40 PM
God only knows. He definitely got injured and I’m sure the story at the time was he’d miss it. Maybe I’ve dreamt it
Missed the last few weeks of the season with Dortmund with what was described as a long term ankle injury
Post by: Brownie on June 04, 2018, 04:44:12 PM
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 04, 2018, 04:52:26 PM
Bainesy' having his haircut prior to Cardiff City move?
Is the barber's next to Specsavers? 🤔
Post by: Brownie on June 04, 2018, 04:53:34 PM
Well I thought he looked like him 😝
Post by: Ramjam on June 04, 2018, 05:01:24 PM
Well I thought he looked like himHe absolutely does
Post by: Toffee1 on June 04, 2018, 09:43:24 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 04, 2018, 09:46:56 PM
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2018, 10:11:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/1003627295687479299?s=20
They're installing revolving doors?
Post by: Lxxx on June 04, 2018, 10:43:53 PM
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 04, 2018, 10:46:55 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 04, 2018, 10:48:42 PM
We could sign no-one this summer and still finish 7th next season, which is why I'd like to see only 3 maybe 4 signings tops with about a dozen going out the other way. The next 12 months will be about regaining some momentum, developing a style of play and bringing some enjoyment back to a match day. Anything else is a bonus.
I want us to sign as many as possible if the right player is available we should go for them
Post by: van der Meyde on June 04, 2018, 10:52:21 PM
Anybody who is giving you information that includes a budget/warchest/finite amount of currency can summarily be dismissed as talking utter tosh.Anyone who gives those sorts of figures is definitely talking rubbish.
Spending does not work like that and has not done for decades.
There is no feasible upper limit of what we will spend.
Anything we do spend is spread over the length of the contract the player signs.
Any fee's quoted in the press is pure and utter guess work and will include the most random of things (inc wages sometimes).
We will have already made enquiries into dozens of players. Dozens.
Exaggeration or not though, there are surely upper limits to what we can spend - they're just determined by a combination of amortisation, funds brought in from outgoings and the wage bill rather than the simplistic use of transfer fees.
Post by: brap2 on June 04, 2018, 11:41:15 PM
Anyone who gives those sorts of figures is definitely talking rubbish.
Exaggeration or not though, there are surely upper limits to what we can spend - they're just determined by a combination of amortisation, funds brought in from outgoings and the wage bill rather than the simplistic use of transfer fees.
Brands himself said upwards of £100m didn’t he?
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 05, 2018, 12:29:28 AM
Brands himself said upwards of £100m didn’t he?
No, in an interview with de telegraaf they said he had a £100m budget and then fed into his response about there being no financial shackles.
Even if that was a specific figure, he'd be daft to announce to everybody what he was allowed to spend.
Creative journalism
Post by: Ramjam on June 05, 2018, 07:18:12 PM
No, in an interview with de telegraaf they said he had a £100m budget and then fed into his response about there being no financial shackles.I think we will be handling transfers very differently from here on in, quietly and out of the glare of media attention
Even if that was a specific figure, he'd be daft to announce to everybody what he was allowed to spend.
Creative journalism
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 05, 2018, 07:38:39 PM
I think we will be handling transfers very differently from here on in, quietly and out of the glare of media attention
Here's hoping
Post by: Macca77 on June 05, 2018, 07:46:09 PM
Centre half
Left back
Midfielder
Striker
Post by: dunkster on June 05, 2018, 07:49:18 PM
Silva possibly is happier to be at a sizeable club with a decentish squad to play with.
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2018, 07:53:48 PM
Out will go Rooney, Williams, Robles, Besic, Mirallas, Garbutt and a few others.
Post by: Gash on June 05, 2018, 08:14:02 PM
4 players tops
Centre half
Left back
Midfielder
Striker
I think that's about right, 4 quality players in those positions plus a coach that actually wants to try and score some goals will make a huge difference. We don't need the major squad overhaul that some people are saying, we do need a clear out but we don't need wholesale changes to the squad. As we and others have proven in the past, it never works anyway.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 05, 2018, 09:14:57 PM
Post by: Cozzie on June 05, 2018, 10:50:02 PM
Left back as a future Baines replacement, get rid of Martina.
1 left winger with both Mirallas and Bolasie leaving.
A midfield playmaker to go along side Gueye, with Besic and McCarthy leaving.
Another Striker to come in alongside Tosun and Niasse with DCL going out on loan.
Clear out some more deadwood/fringe players and that would do me.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 05, 2018, 10:50:11 PM
Random tweet:I think this fella has learning difficulties
https://twitter.com/stevie1919/status/1001785411801374720
Post by: Hawkandro on June 05, 2018, 10:53:46 PM
I think this fella has learning difficulties
Me? Or Stevie1919? ;)
Post by: Simon Paul on June 06, 2018, 01:56:45 AM
I think we will be handling transfers very differently from here on in, quietly and out of the glare of media attention
you do realise Farhad Moshiri still has an ego to satisfy don't you?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on June 06, 2018, 03:04:03 AM
Post by: dunkster on June 06, 2018, 03:29:42 AM
I probably should be, but im not excited about any of the players we've been linked with so far. Need an unrealistic hope to get the juices flowing
They are as exciting as we could hope for at a club lacking any European footie whatsoever.
Post by: boothill on June 06, 2018, 03:38:11 AM
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on June 06, 2018, 04:21:02 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2018, 04:29:19 AM
I'd be looking at the likes of Werner, Bonucci and Koke as examples of statement signings for this club to excel to that next level and challenge the top 6 and beyond.You are best steering clear of Everton this summer then
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2018, 04:35:12 AM
I probably should be, but im not excited about any of the players we've been linked with so far. Need an unrealistic hope to get the juices flowing
If we get Lozano it will be the biggest coup since Lukaku.
Post by: Brownie on June 06, 2018, 05:07:13 AM
https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/everton/everton-weighing-up-summer-move-for-gomes
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 06, 2018, 05:14:06 AM
Post by: kramer0 on June 06, 2018, 05:23:04 AM
If Brands thinks that the first order of business is trimming this big, overpaid mess of a squad then I'd say he's sized up the situation properly and understands the challenges that lay ahead.
It might require some patience but I think we’ll enjoy having someone sensible calling the shots.
Post by: Brownie on June 06, 2018, 05:25:01 AM
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 06, 2018, 05:37:46 AM
Reality is there could and probably should be at least 15 go out the door.
Post by: Ramjam on June 06, 2018, 05:39:03 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-try-offload-12-players-12652729I think he’s going about business the correct way and I believe the he will achieve what he sets out to do. Seems very level headed and methodical
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2018, 05:42:07 AM
He just said the squad, quite rightly, is too big, so will need to be reduced, as well as new players coming in.
That is very different from saying “we need to sell to buy”
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2018, 05:46:04 AM
Hope rooney does the right thing and gets himself on that plane tomorrow morning.
Rooney
Schneiderlin
Williams
RFM
McCarthy if possible
Mirallas
Garbutt
Pennington
Browning
A wedge off the wages immediately that & barely touches the first team.
Post by: di_guyo on June 06, 2018, 06:13:45 AM
I'd be looking at the likes of Werner, Bonucci and Koke as examples of statement signings for this club to excel to that next level and challenge the top 6 and beyond.
Koke? You're having a laugh.
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2018, 06:40:23 AM
Doesn’t sound too positive from Brands that..
Yay, a new poster with a negative outlook. Come on down.
What's the issue with what's been said? What negative connotations have you derived from such insight offered by 2 tweets?
No danger of any fucking positivity at the moment it seems.
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 06, 2018, 06:44:45 AM
Yay, a new poster with a negative outlook. Come on down.
What's the issue with what's been said? What negative connotations have you derived from such insight offered by 2 tweets?
No danger of any fucking positivity at the moment it seems.
Already clarified this lad
Post by: Makis on June 06, 2018, 11:16:45 AM
Koke? You're having a laugh.Werner was funnier.
Post by: Juanito on June 06, 2018, 11:24:13 AM
Superb news. Sounds like he has his head screwed on, his eyebrows must have hit the ceiling when he saw the ages, contract lengths and wages of some of these absolute scoundrels.
Hope rooney does the right thing and gets himself on that plane tomorrow morning.
Rooney
Schneiderlin
Williams
RFM
McCarthy if possible
Mirallas
Garbutt
Pennington
Browning
A wedge off the wages immediately that & barely touches the first team.
I would add Besic, Martina and Tarashaj to that list. And send Kenny and Dowell on loan.
Post by: GLewis on June 06, 2018, 12:50:55 PM
For our current status we can’t buy proven top level players so attempts at big spending are going to be on lesser players, which immediately lessens value for money/ potential growth.
We need to find our niche in the market again, which should be sensible acquisitions who can grow but with the option, should a big buy be right, to go large if we want.
It won’t be easy, as Brands says, to get shut of some of these players if who are on £100k in one window but if we loan two out and only pay half their wages we’d be effectively selling one/ plus getting a loan fee.
So if 6 (or equivalent) go we might get 3 players in who improve the team/ match day squad.
But this is where patience will be needed.
If we sell Williams and Mori I’d only imagine getting 1 CB in.
We might think that Robinson supporting Baines is a sensible (plus cheap) option in light of the above for this season.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on June 06, 2018, 01:18:43 PM
Werner was funnier.
Might be funny or laughable but they would need to be the benchmark for 6th and beyond unless ofcourse your happy with 7th at best.
Post by: Ross on June 06, 2018, 02:04:35 PM
I would add Besic, Martina and Tarashaj to that list. And send Kenny and Dowell on loan.
No chance we should be selling Martina and loaning Kenny out at the same time it’d be a daft as having no proper cover for Baines for the last few seasons.
It’ll be one or the other that’s goes. I imagine it’s likely to be Kenny getting a season loan given Coleman’s quality with Martina staying as cover again for the odd game at rightback and emergency cover for Baines and probably Robinson on the left.
Dowells a difficult one to predict seeing as he did reasonably well last season at Forest could go either way for him, I reckon where he plays next season is likely to be dependent on what happens with Klassen.
Post by: Nicco on June 06, 2018, 02:07:59 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-try-offload-12-players-12652729That was a message to other clubs. Starting the negotiations already in the papers with the words "This time you cant fucking rinse us."
We pay what WE think a player is worth, not the other way around
Post by: dunkster on June 06, 2018, 02:11:07 PM
Asked if owner Farhad Moshiri will pump more of his own money into transfers, after spending upwards of £150m on a disjointed, confused spending policy last summer, he said: “No. (he won't).
Seems like a blow to big spending to me
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 06, 2018, 02:34:17 PM
Asked if that meant Everton need to sell to buy, he added: “Yes, but it's not only a money thing. Of course money is also important, but it is also for a coach it is not workable to start with 38 players in your squad.
Asked if owner Farhad Moshiri will pump more of his own money into transfers, after spending upwards of £150m on a disjointed, confused spending policy last summer, he said: “No. (he won't).
Seems like a blow to big spending to me
Seems like the sensible approach so clubs don't go "oh Everton have a massive wedge to splash again, let's double the asking price"
Post by: dunkster on June 06, 2018, 02:46:31 PM
Only a tiny percentage of fans read these threads on forums. The majority see news in the papers and they are all now reading 'cash strapped everton need to sell in order to buy'.
I mean, it's obvious to all, the squad needs to be reduced significantly.
But for the majority, who may have got a bit excited by the new brands/silva partnership, they may be left just a little deflated.
Not saying I believe there's no money available mind
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 06, 2018, 02:49:45 PM
This 'sell-to-buy' thing though, it's more about wages and squad size than it is going back to no having a pot to piss in. We just need to clear the boards a little bit.
It may be that, chronologically, some players do come in before we've cleared everything out - but if they do, it will be because all parties have all but agreed on players going out the door at some point.
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2018, 02:51:23 PM
He could have said "there will be some funding available but it's necessary to trim the squad first"..something like that.
Only a tiny percentage of fans read these threads on forums. The majority see news in the papers and they are all now reading 'cash strapped everton need to sell in order to buy'.
I mean, it's obvious to all, the squad needs to be reduced significantly.
But for the majority, who may have got a bit excited by the new brands/silva partnership, they may be left just a little deflated.
Not saying I believe there's no money available mind
He’s fully explained himself and what he means in the interview.
If people are going to wind themselves up by just reading the headline and not the whole article then that’s their perogative.
We have a squad of 38 with one of the highest wage bills in Europe. To spend on top of that and not have a major clear out would be very needless.
Post by: dunkster on June 06, 2018, 02:57:40 PM
I'd imagine he'll read the rags this morning and be like "fuck me, I didn't say we were broke"
Post by: di_guyo on June 06, 2018, 02:59:09 PM
Might be funny or laughable but they would need to be the benchmark for 6th and beyond unless ofcourse your happy with 7th at best.
We're miles off that, and we're not just going to go out and sign top UCL talent out of nowhere are we? Why on earth would they come to Everton? Be honest with yourself.
Post by: dunkster on June 06, 2018, 03:07:52 PM
If silva looks as though, given time he will continue to close that gap on the top 6, then I don't mind 7th.
There's such a big job here to do in this first 12 months before we really get to talking top of table
Post by: Brownie on June 06, 2018, 03:39:12 PM
That was a message to other clubs. Starting the negotiations already in the papers with the words "This time you cant fucking rinse us."
We pay what WE think a player is worth, not the other way around
That's what I thought as well when reading it
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 06, 2018, 03:40:58 PM
I think a clear out of around 12-15 off the books and four proper quality additions, Left Full, Centre Half, Central Mid and Striker (and maybe a winger if Bolasie goes) would be a good window for me.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 06, 2018, 03:43:54 PM
Of course we have money to spend, but we have 38 players, 75% of which are probably not good enough/earning too much for what they bring to the team. It would be suicidal to keep on spending without addressing the massive imbalance in both numbers and player positions.
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2018, 03:57:47 PM
Koke? You're having a laugh.
(https://blogdokalifa.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/ricky_gervais150.jpg)
Post by: Hawkandro on June 06, 2018, 03:57:52 PM
Could potentially thrive in a youth-orientated set-up?
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2018, 03:58:48 PM
Simple as that.
Post by: Free Agent on June 06, 2018, 04:18:02 PM
I made the same mistake of kind of panicking when I read the articles at first.
I think a clear out of around 12-15 off the books and four proper quality additions, Left Full, Centre Half, Central Mid and Striker (and maybe a winger if Bolasie goes) would be a good window for me.
We need a back up keeper too
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2018, 04:48:02 PM
He could have said "there will be some funding available but it's necessary to trim the squad first"..something like that.
Only a tiny percentage of fans read these threads on forums. The majority see news in the papers and they are all now reading 'cash strapped everton need to sell in order to buy'.
I mean, it's obvious to all, the squad needs to be reduced significantly.
But for the majority, who may have got a bit excited by the new brands/silva partnership, they may be left just a little deflated.
Not saying I believe there's no money available mind
It's not Brands' fault or concern that some fans are fucking idiots, who can't understand basic messages that have been communicated (not aimed at you btw). But genuinely, some people will fly off the handle over anything they've misunderstood, and you can't really legislate for or work around that kind of idiocy.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2018, 04:57:36 PM
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 06, 2018, 05:06:41 PM
We need a back up keeper too
I’d imagine that would be Stekelenburg with Hewelt as third choice
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2018, 05:08:31 PM
I enjoyed Brands' 'some of the conversations will not be nice' comment, about letting some of the big earners go. That tells me he's more than ready to deal with that side of things, and will happily tell people they're not wanted here.
Hopefully, unlike Koeman, he will keep the outcome of those conversations private.
I’m sure he will, he seems brighter, more shrewd, and not an arsehole.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 06, 2018, 06:52:05 PM
Out with the shite, in the with quality
Simple as that.
OK Koke.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on June 06, 2018, 07:00:57 PM
We're miles off that, and we're not just going to go out and sign top UCL talent out of nowhere are we? Why on earth would they come to Everton? Be honest with yourself.
Got to start somewhere to make that step up, will need statement signings at some point to break back into that top six unless we are content with 7th place for the next three seasons under Silva.
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2018, 07:05:34 PM
Got to start somewhere to make that step up, will need statement signings at some point to break back into that top six unless we are content with 7th place for the next three seasons under Silva.
Mate, there's absolutely no chance we are signing the players you've mentioned.
It's ridiculous to even suggest signing players like Koke and Werner in the position we are in.
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2018, 07:11:16 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 06, 2018, 07:16:44 PM
But its never going to happen. Has Bayern or the like written all over. Unfortunately we wont be attracting players like that. YET!
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2018, 07:20:52 PM
If we get Lozano it would be an unbelievable statement signing.
And besides - we’re past statement signings, it’s all about the suave and savvy business blues these days.
Post by: blue slug on June 06, 2018, 07:22:55 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2018, 08:18:54 PM
Forget about Werner honestly.
If we get Lozano it would be an unbelievable statement signing.
And besides - we’re past statement signings, it’s all about the suave and savvy business blues these days.
Yeah I defo think we need to make a Lukaku type signing this summer where other people go ‘oh aye’. Lozano does seem to fit the bill.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 06, 2018, 08:25:44 PM
Hopefully, unlike Koeman, he will keep the outcome of those conversations private.
I’m sure he will, he seems brighter, more shrewd, and not an arsehole.
Why do you think the press conference was so full of public praise for Rooney? :D
Post by: dunkster on June 06, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
Why do you think the press conference was so full of public praise for Rooney? :D
Too much praise for Rooney. Was kinda cringe talking about him being a legend.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 06, 2018, 08:45:51 PM
Too much praise for Rooney. Was kinda cringe talking about him being a legend.
I thought that at first, but Sam's (and a few others) post made me have a think on it. Partially, it smooths over any hard feelings from any conversations the past few weeks along the lines of "sure, you have a contract here, but you are not in our plans and you won't be on the pitch" and even more, it makes it look like a fait accompli that Wayne is moving on, and he becomes the bad guy if he digs in his heels and tries to reverse course and stay.
Post by: dunkster on June 06, 2018, 08:54:10 PM
"Wayne has the opportunity to join DC and there's a good chance he might make that move. If he does good luck to him. Hopefully in the future he can come back in a coaching capacity"
That's all he has to say as far as I'm concerned
Post by: Mac934 on June 06, 2018, 09:06:10 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 06, 2018, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 06, 2018, 09:35:38 PM
Personally I wouldn’t mind fellaini back on a free
Sure, depending on his motivation/attitude. Don't want a new not-so-Super Kev on our hands.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 06, 2018, 09:46:08 PM
Has anyone mentioned Daley Blind in this thread? Left sided full back, centre half and defensive midfielder. 28 years old, so not bad age wise. I think he could be a good aquasition for a few years, contract expiring at Man Utd. Worth a punt? I know it's another Man U reject, but I think he could do a job for us. Reasonable fee of course.
I'd be happy with Blind replacing RFM on the left side of the defence.
Post by: Waltzer on June 06, 2018, 09:56:03 PM
Personally I wouldn’t mind fellaini back on a free
Wouldnt be totally against it but cant see it happening though as he'd want a wedge and is 30, both the things we're trying to move away from, really expensive old players.
Post by: Waltzer on June 06, 2018, 09:58:56 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 06, 2018, 10:04:54 PM
Didnt realise Jonny Evans had a 3.5 million release clause, thats a bit of a bargain, although 30 again!
Even at 30 at that price a better option than mori or williams
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2018, 10:10:22 PM
Post by: kramer0 on June 06, 2018, 10:32:18 PM
I'd happily pay a higher fee for someone on a lower wage with more long-term potential.
Post by: Mac934 on June 06, 2018, 10:37:31 PM
Post by: kramer0 on June 06, 2018, 10:42:39 PM
I don't think we should be bothering with anyone who doesn't have at least three under-30 seasons left. Especially not players who are going to require a big wage, like the aforementioned three.
Post by: Brownie on June 06, 2018, 11:04:01 PM
Post by: Fynci on June 06, 2018, 11:08:30 PM
I'd love Mo Fro back but only for nostalgic reasons. So it's a no
I wonder if Silva and Brands would call him a club legend.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2018, 11:30:38 PM
Swervaini.
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2018, 11:40:44 PM
Hegazi >>
Post by: Bluedylan on June 06, 2018, 11:42:39 PM
I don’t even think Evans is any good.
Hegazi >>
Hegazi does appear to have certain beast-like qualities. Is he not a little slow and immobile? (especially if the plan is to find an appropriate partner for Keane).
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 06, 2018, 11:50:43 PM
After being disappointed by Keane this year, a defender who was more used to being camped in his own box, i’d want a quicker defender beside Keane that would be able to cope with defending counter attacks, especially if we’re going to be playing more expansive attacking football.
Evans doesn’t fit that for me.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 06, 2018, 11:59:06 PM
I wonder if Silva and Brands would call him a club legend.
He’s more of a club legend than rooney
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2018, 12:28:32 AM
Post by: kramer0 on June 07, 2018, 12:42:58 AM
No way we should entertain that idea.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2018, 12:44:20 AM
Twitter folk are saying Brands and Silva had a meeting yesterday and Silva said he wants Gelson Martin's and Bas Dost from Sporting
I just find it almost impossible to believe that information has been leaked out tbh. Sounds like bollocks to me.
Post by: Brownie on June 07, 2018, 12:47:43 AM
Post by: blue slug on June 07, 2018, 12:48:11 AM
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2018, 12:51:07 AM
I just find it almost impossible to believe that information has been leaked out tbh. Sounds like bollocks to me.
Twitter linkage
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1004390824925388800
Bollocks? More than likely
Post by: Simon Paul on June 07, 2018, 12:53:01 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 07, 2018, 12:54:59 AM
Apart from Liverpool buying Southampton, has any team bought three first team players from the same team recently?Hmmm
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2018, 12:56:58 AM
Apart from Liverpool buying Southampton, has any team bought three first team players from the same team recently?
Yes we did from Wigan, that worked out really well
Post by: blue slug on June 07, 2018, 12:57:43 AM
Apart from Liverpool buying Southampton, has any team bought three first team players from the same team recently?
Not in one window that’s for sure
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2018, 12:58:47 AM
Twitter linkage
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1004390824925388800
Bollocks? More than likely
So A Bola is the source, a Portuguese outfit, possibly pushing Sporting's angle of wanting to offload some players. Don't see anything too convincing there tbh.
Smacks of an agent putting some links in their local press to me. Bas Dost couldn't be further from Brands' description of players he's wanting to target.
Post by: Simon Paul on June 07, 2018, 01:22:39 AM
Yes we did from Wigan, that worked out really well
5 years ago that now...
Post by: GLewis on June 07, 2018, 01:32:13 AM
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2018, 01:33:01 AM
5 years ago that now...
Time just flies by when we're shit
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 07, 2018, 01:48:46 AM
Time just flies by when we're shitThe last 30 have been a blurrr.
Post by: brap2 on June 07, 2018, 02:51:57 AM
Bas Dost would be colossally bad. Age, likely wage, lack of involvement anywhere outside the penalty box.
No way we should entertain that idea.
Would have been fine for koeman.
Would be truly done disgusted if we sign him now.
Don’t know martins really.
Post by: kramer0 on June 07, 2018, 03:30:02 AM
Would have been fine for koeman.
Would be truly done disgusted if we sign him now.
Don't know martins really.
If Koeman had gotten him, he’d be another overpaid, one-dimensional player for us to get off the wage bill in the next couple of years.
Post by: brap2 on June 07, 2018, 03:55:57 AM
If Koeman had gotten him, he’d be another overpaid, one-dimensional player for us to get off the wage bill in the next couple of years.
Yes but it would make sense, system-wise.
Compared to say in Silva’s high energy pressing game.
Post by: Morta75 on June 07, 2018, 01:10:40 PM
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 07, 2018, 02:05:35 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on June 07, 2018, 02:39:30 PM
I think Everton should consider looking into this Sander Berge from Norway. He's the next big thing. Very good to be this young and already in the Norway A-Team. Big, strong and good passer off the ball. Had approx. 90 % accuracy against Panama last night.
We've been linked with Berge a few times.
Post by: dunkster on June 07, 2018, 02:46:27 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2018, 02:51:07 PM
Not convinced by the 4-3-3 formation he says he'll adopt. I don't really want to be relying on gana doing too much link up/creativity in opposition half.
Where's he said that?
Post by: blue slug on June 07, 2018, 02:59:58 PM
Where's he said that?
He definitely said 433 but not that gana would be innan advanced role?
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2018, 03:15:43 PM
Post by: GLewis on June 07, 2018, 03:27:06 PM
If there’s no deep lying DM he’d play 4-2-3-1
Post by: TheTone on June 07, 2018, 03:29:31 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 07, 2018, 03:31:16 PM
Pickford
Coleman ..... New CB ..... New CB ..... A fit Baines
New DCM ........... New DCM
A fit Sigurdsson
Walcott ............................. ... Lookman
New Striker
I would say we need a new heart. We need a quality central midfielder imo, a proper leader that actually knows the game and can interpret managerial instruction. Perhaps someone on the same wavelength as Silva and can speak the lingo and pick up the detail that may be lost with others. A presence, and someone with a lot of experience, respect and a good age. Carvalho for me ticks quite a lot of those boxes.
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 07, 2018, 03:44:29 PM
For us tactical nerds, some stattos evaluated Silva's formation/play style and it was a very lose 4-3-3 which was more a 4-2-3-1 on the ball 4-1-4-1 off it. I think we are going to see a lot more of a flexible and tactically fluid formation than our shit formations/tactics of late. The main philosophy is actually having energetic players that are very comfortable on the ball, can receive it, move with it and pass it well, so based on that, we need half an outfield:
Pickford
Coleman ..... New CB ..... New CB ..... A fit Baines
New DCM ..... New DCM
Walcott ..... A fit Sigurdsson ..... Lookman
New Striker
I would say we need a new heart. We need a quality central midfielder imo, a proper leader that actually knows the game and can interpret managerial instruction. Perhaps someone on the same wavelength as Silva and can speak the lingo and pick up the detail that may be lost with others. A presence, and someone with a lot of experience, respect and a good age. Carvalho for me ticks quite a lot of those boxes.
I'd rather we give the current squad a chance than lashing another 150m on replacing half the team. They've not been doing it as they've been told to play a certain way under previous shit managers. Some might just be able to run and move when coached to do it
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 07, 2018, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on June 07, 2018, 03:53:04 PM
Pickford
Coleman ..... Jags .....Keane ..... Baines
Gueye ..Sigurdsson... CM
Walcott ....Tosun. ..... Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2018, 04:04:17 PM
I'd rather we give the current squad a chance than lashing another 150m on replacing half the team. They've not been doing it as they've been told to play a certain way under previous shit managers. Some might just be able to run and move when coached to do it
I'm more on board with this approach. We could sign no-one and still finish 7th next season under a manager with a proper plan. I'd much rather the new management structure took their time and bought slowly and wisely so the squad evolves properly.
Post by: Mac934 on June 07, 2018, 04:41:06 PM
4-3-3 still think we will go in with same back 4swap Gueye to the right and Davies left. That's the same team I quoted earlier. A younger Baines type LB and give it a go. I think Davies will improve under Silva.
Pickford
Coleman ..... Jags .....Keane ..... Baines
Gueye ..Sigurdsson... CM
Walcott ....Tosun. ..... Lookman
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 07, 2018, 04:43:36 PM
Post by: brap2 on June 07, 2018, 04:44:24 PM
The 3 in the middle is dependant on what midfielders he has available.
If there’s no deep lying DM he’d play 4-2-3-1
I’m leaning towards this ATM because otherwise how dya fit gylfi in?
Carvalho
Gueye
Walcott Gylfi Lozano
Tosun
Post by: GLewis on June 07, 2018, 05:49:42 PM
I’m leaning towards this ATM because otherwise how dya fit gylfi in?
Carvalho
Gueye
Walcott Gylfi Lozano
Tosun
Thought that when we signed him and Klaassen that we’d go with
deep DM
Klaassen Sigurdsson
Klaassen Sigurdsson
Then three up top.
Post by: stirlingblue on June 07, 2018, 05:53:50 PM
He covers a lot of ground, reasonable pace/dribbling/passing/tackling and young enough to be moulded into how Silva wants him to play
Post by: TheRam on June 07, 2018, 05:56:43 PM
Not sure why nobody has Davies in any of their proposed lineups, I can see Silva really rating him as he’s got the potential to be a good box to box player.
He covers a lot of ground, reasonable pace/dribbling/passing/tackling and young enough to be moulded into how Silva wants him to play
He's ideal for a 4-3-3 and the way Silva wants to play. I'd much prefer him playing there than anyone else we have in the squad at the moment.
Post by: sam of the south on June 07, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
He's ideal for a 4-3-3 and the way Silva wants to play. I'd much prefer him playing there than anyone else we have in the squad at the moment.
Yeah, out of the personnel we currently have, this would be my choice for a front 6 (not sure Sigurdsson has the energy/speed for a high-press, although he does have a good engine, so maybe)
Davies Gana Vlasic
Lookman Tosun Walcott
Post by: GLewis on June 07, 2018, 06:32:59 PM
Yeah, out of the personnel we currently have, this would be my choice for a front 6 (not sure Sigurdsson has the energy/speed for a high-press, although he does have a good engine, so maybe)
Davies Gana Vlasic
Lookman Tosun Walcott
I’d say Sigurdsson much more able to play it than Vlasic (right now).
Don’t forget Sigurdsson’s distance covered stats are always very good.
Also if we take 2009-12 Barça as the best example of 433, high energy pressing etc their midfield was Xavi, Busquets, Iniesta.
Properly executed you should reduce mad long sprints that require Uber athletes, as everyone is always close(r) together and you’re higher up the pitch.
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 07, 2018, 06:34:24 PM
Come off it haha.
Post by: Robioto on June 07, 2018, 06:47:37 PM
I would like the following:
(https://startingeleven.co.uk/usr/a/5b19115806752.jpg)
Bench of: Steklenberg, Jagielka, Holgate, Angeliño, Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Lookman
TRANSFERS IN AND WHO I'D KEEP
Not really sure what players we will get, the ones we don't have are just examples. But I'd like to see us sign:
- Back Up Left back - ready to replace Baines (Fabra might be a bad example, know little about him, would love Chilwell and we've been linked with Angeliño)
- Centre back to partner Keane (hopefully Keane comes good next season)
- Defensive Midfielder
- Left Winger (Lozano, Kluivert, Brahimi, etc - or put trust in Lookman and don't sign anyone)
They IMO are the essentials. Bonus signings would be a player like Maddison to put pressure on Sigurdsson but not as essential, another centre back and a better striker than Tosun if they were to come available. I'd like us to have a punt on Andre Silva, he's not gone bad overnight and if Huddersfield are in for him that would suggest he's more than obtainable and the right age.
We also will probably need a box-to-box midfielder to play the Marco Silva way, if available I'd love to see us sign Marcelo Brozovic, but doubt he's obtainable.
The rest of the squad I'd keep the following:
Nikola Vlašić
Jonjoe Kenny
Beni Baningime
Davy Klaassen (would like to see him given a chance)
Mateusz Hewelt
TRANSFERS OUT
And try to sell/loan/get as many as off the wage budget of the following:
Morgan Schneiderlin
Ashley Williams
Yannick Bolasie
Sandro Ramirez
Wayne Rooney
Kevin Mirallas
Eliaquim Mangala
Cuco Martina
James McCarthy
Oumar Niasse
Ramiro Funes Mori
Kieran Dowell (LOAN)
Brendan Galloway (LOAN)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt
Matthew Pennington (LOAN)
Shani Tarashaj
Tyias Browning
Henry Onyekuru (LOAN)
This would leave us with a squad of 22. With room for more and any stragglers. The obvious problem is how do you shift 11 senior players all at once? It's going to be tough.
MY SEMI-REALISTIC DREAM SCENARIO
My attempt at a realistic dream squad (it's not realistic really) at the end of the window would be as follows (25 players, probably still too many with no Europe):
(https://i.imgur.com/aKA4K3D.png)
I think it's going to be an exciting summer.
Post by: dunkster on June 07, 2018, 07:00:54 PM
Post by: brap2 on June 07, 2018, 07:04:16 PM
Post by: dunkster on June 07, 2018, 07:06:11 PM
Ashley Williams - 2.5 mill
Yannick Bolasie - 14 mill
Sandro Ramirez - 9 mill
Wayne Rooney - free
Kevin Mirallas - 3 mill
Eliaquim Mangala - free return
Cuco Martina - 3 mill
James McCarthy - 6 mill
Oumar Niasse - 7 mill
Ramiro Funes Mori - 10mill
Kieran Dowell (LOAN)
Brendan Galloway (LOAN)
Joel Robles - free?
Luke Garbutt - 1mill
Matthew Pennington (LOAN)
Shani Tarashaj - 1 mill
Tyias Browning - 1mill
Henry Onyekuru (LOAN)
About 70 mill tops of player sales ??
Post by: sam of the south on June 07, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
Vlasic centre mid?
Come off it haha.
It is the left of a midfield three in a high-pressing style.
He is energetic, has good feet, can pick a pass, and can finish.
Not sure what is laughable about the suggestion.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 07, 2018, 07:10:26 PM
Morgan Schneiderlin - 15 mill
Ashley Williams - 2.5 mill
Yannick Bolasie - 14 mill
Sandro Ramirez - 9 mill
Wayne Rooney - free
Kevin Mirallas - 3 mill
Eliaquim Mangala - free return
Cuco Martina - 3 mill
James McCarthy - 6 mill
Oumar Niasse - 7 mill
Ramiro Funes Mori - 10mill
Kieran Dowell (LOAN)
Brendan Galloway (LOAN)
Joel Robles - free?
Luke Garbutt - 1mill
Matthew Pennington (LOAN)
Shani Tarashaj - 1 mill
Tyias Browning - 1mill
Henry Onyekuru (LOAN)
About 70 mill tops of player sales ??
Some bargains on there
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 07, 2018, 07:11:30 PM
It is the left of a midfield three in a high-pressing style.
He is energetic, has good feet, can pick a pass, and can finish.
Not sure what is laughable about the suggestion.
He’s becoming a wonderful player but not being deemed good enough by 2 managers
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 07, 2018, 07:12:54 PM
It is the left of a midfield three in a high-pressing style.
He is energetic, has good feet, can pick a pass, and can finish.
Not sure what is laughable about the suggestion.
Just think Sigurdsson is miles better than him at pretty much everything in any position in the midfield.
Admittedly I don't really see what others do in Vlasic.
Post by: TheRam on June 07, 2018, 07:16:58 PM
Post by: sam of the south on June 07, 2018, 07:17:31 PM
Just think Sigurdsson is miles better than him at pretty much everything in any position in the midfield.
Admittedly I don't really see what others do in Vlasic.
He shows great composure in protecting the ball in tight situations, and quick feet.
I really hope Sigurdsson is suited to a high-press, I just fear he won’t be, because it really is a young man’s way of playing.
Post by: sam of the south on June 07, 2018, 07:19:16 PM
He’s becoming a wonderful player but not being deemed good enough by 2 managers
Not sure that not being played by Koeman and Allardyce should be a black mark on a player, quite the opposite in fact.
Vlasic, Lookman, and Holgate will do much better under a manager like Silva.
Post by: Robioto on June 07, 2018, 07:19:23 PM
Morgan Schneiderlin - 15 mill
Ashley Williams - 2.5 mill
Yannick Bolasie - 14 mill
Sandro Ramirez - 9 mill
Wayne Rooney - free
Kevin Mirallas - 3 mill
Eliaquim Mangala - free return
Cuco Martina - 3 mill
James McCarthy - 6 mill
Oumar Niasse - 7 mill
Ramiro Funes Mori - 10mill
Kieran Dowell (LOAN)
Brendan Galloway (LOAN)
Joel Robles - free?
Luke Garbutt - 1mill
Matthew Pennington (LOAN)
Shani Tarashaj - 1 mill
Tyias Browning - 1mill
Henry Onyekuru (LOAN)
About 70 mill tops of player sales ??
I think the wage budget decrease will be much more important than what we get back, but yeah, I don't think we will got a whole lot fee wise, especially as clubs know we are desperate to trim the squad.
Going by estimates I've read elsewhere these players leaving would leave save us well in excess of £40,000,000 per year (or £770,000+ per week) in wages. It's an astronomical amount.
Post by: eugene on June 07, 2018, 07:19:58 PM
We need to buy wisely because there's some silly prices being bandied about.12 months too late that comment mate
Post by: dunkster on June 07, 2018, 07:20:10 PM
They were all bought with different styles/tactics in mind.
Post by: dunkster on June 07, 2018, 07:22:31 PM
I think the wage budget decrease will be much more important than what we get back, but yeah, I don't think we will got a whole lot fee wise, especially as clubs know we are desperate to trim the squad.
Going by estimates I've read elsewhere these players leaving would leave save us well in excess of £40,000,000 per year (or £770,000+ per week) in wages. It's an astronomical amount.
Surely more than that in wages..Rooney is 150k, m.s is 120k and sandro 110k just to start with.
Post by: Robioto on June 07, 2018, 07:26:46 PM
Surely more than that in wages..Rooney is 150k, m.s is 120k and sandro 110k just to start with.
Yeah it probably is more, £45,000,000 p/a is the figure I've seen banded around if we sold the 10-12 players we are rumored to want rid of. So take my estimate with a pinch of salt. I tried to cover my self with the 'in excess' and '+' as I certainly don't know the exact figures. :)
Post by: Mac934 on June 07, 2018, 07:27:49 PM
Not sure why nobody has Davies in any of their proposed lineups, I can see Silva really rating him as he’s got the potential to be a good box to box player.I did!
He covers a lot of ground, reasonable pace/dribbling/passing/tackling and young enough to be moulded into how Silva wants him to play
Post by: blue slug on June 07, 2018, 07:33:16 PM
Morgan Schneiderlin - 15 mill
Ashley Williams - 2.5 mill
Yannick Bolasie - 14 mill
Sandro Ramirez - 9 mill
Wayne Rooney - free
Kevin Mirallas - 3 mill
Eliaquim Mangala - free return
Cuco Martina - 3 mill
James McCarthy - 6 mill
Oumar Niasse - 7 mill
Ramiro Funes Mori - 10mill
Kieran Dowell (LOAN)
Brendan Galloway (LOAN)
Joel Robles - free?
Luke Garbutt - 1mill
Matthew Pennington (LOAN)
Shani Tarashaj - 1 mill
Tyias Browning - 1mill
Henry Onyekuru (LOAN)
About 70 mill tops of player sales ??
Realistic sums there dude and the wage bill would be considerably be lowered
Post by: brap2 on June 07, 2018, 07:39:13 PM
I think the wage budget decrease will be much more important than what we get back, but yeah, I don't think we will got a whole lot fee wise, especially as clubs know we are desperate to trim the squad.
Going by estimates I've read elsewhere these players leaving would leave save us well in excess of £40,000,000 per year (or £770,000+ per week) in wages. It's an astronomical amount.
Don’t quote me but I’m sure FFP counts heavily when it comes to wage increases per year also
Post by: hannu on June 07, 2018, 07:48:50 PM
It's going to take a full season of silvas tactics before we will see if our current crop can manage it.
They were all bought with different styles/tactics in mind.
am not sure what style or tactics any of them was bought for
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 07, 2018, 08:30:15 PM
Not sure that not being played by Koeman and Allardyce should be a black mark on a player, quite the opposite in fact.
Vlasic, Lookman, and Holgate will do much better under a manager like Silva.
No black mark but seeing him run down a few blind alleys and not go with his marker also doesn’t mean he’s a quality player under a different manager. He’s very highly rated by some considering we’ve seen almost nothing of him
Post by: sam of the south on June 07, 2018, 08:35:30 PM
No black mark but seeing him run down a few blind alleys and not go with his marker also doesn’t mean he’s a quality player under a different manager. He’s very highly rated by some considering we’ve seen almost nothing of him
Yes, his potential is rated by some on here that like what they’ve seen of his strength, ball retention in tight spaces etc.
It’s easy to deride, I understand, but hardly any of our players thrived under Koeman and Allardyce, and youngsters given fleeting chances even less so.
Post by: Redartin on June 07, 2018, 11:23:40 PM
STARTING LINE UP
I would like the following:
(https://startingeleven.co.uk/usr/a/5b19115806752.jpg)
Bench of: Steklenberg, Jagielka, Holgate, Angeliño, Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Lookman
TRANSFERS IN AND WHO I'D KEEP
Not really sure what players we will get, the ones we don't have are just examples. But I'd like to see us sign:
- Back Up Left back - ready to replace Baines (Fabra might be a bad example, know little about him, would love Chilwell and we've been linked with Angeliño)
- Centre back to partner Keane (hopefully Keane comes good next season)
- Defensive Midfielder
- Left Winger (Lozano, Kluivert, Brahimi, etc - or put trust in Lookman and don't sign anyone)
They IMO are the essentials. Bonus signings would be a player like Maddison to put pressure on Sigurdsson but not as essential, another centre back and a better striker than Tosun if they were to come available. I'd like us to have a punt on Andre Silva, he's not gone bad overnight and if Huddersfield are in for him that would suggest he's more than obtainable and the right age.
We also will probably need a box-to-box midfielder to play the Marco Silva way, if available I'd love to see us sign Marcelo Brozovic, but doubt he's obtainable.
The rest of the squad I'd keep the following:
Nikola Vlašić
Jonjoe Kenny
Beni Baningime
Davy Klaassen (would like to see him given a chance)
Mateusz Hewelt
TRANSFERS OUT
And try to sell/loan/get as many as off the wage budget of the following:
Morgan Schneiderlin
Ashley Williams
Yannick Bolasie
Sandro Ramirez
Wayne Rooney
Kevin Mirallas
Eliaquim Mangala
Cuco Martina
James McCarthy
Oumar Niasse
Ramiro Funes Mori
Kieran Dowell (LOAN)
Brendan Galloway (LOAN)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt
Matthew Pennington (LOAN)
Shani Tarashaj
Tyias Browning
Henry Onyekuru (LOAN)
This would leave us with a squad of 22. With room for more and any stragglers. The obvious problem is how do you shift 11 senior players all at once? It's going to be tough.
MY SEMI-REALISTIC DREAM SCENARIO
My attempt at a realistic dream squad (it's not realistic really) at the end of the window would be as follows (25 players, probably still too many with no Europe):
(https://i.imgur.com/aKA4K3D.png)
I think it's going to be an exciting summer.
Where's Besic? Keeping him for cover in DM & CB, but with no locker.
Post by: blue slug on June 07, 2018, 11:43:54 PM
Post by: Juanito on June 08, 2018, 12:22:07 AM
Surely more than that in wages..Rooney is 150k, m.s is 120k and sandro 110k just to start with.
Need to get wages sorted out so we don’t have players playing well, week in week out on 30k, with some Johnny big spuds on 120k doing next to nothing. Spurs have good team morale and even though they earn less than other top sides, there is a balanced approach to their salary scale structure while ours at the moment looks like QPRs when they were relegated.
Post by: Ramjam on June 08, 2018, 07:30:05 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 08, 2018, 12:52:55 PM
We need to implement a better win bonus scheme and make the players hungrier for success while on more modest wages.
Wouldn’t fly with the more senior players we have/want to buy. £ is pretty much all we have to offer at the mo.
But the kids should certainly be on a performance (individual and organisation) weighted pay scale.
Post by: Macca77 on June 09, 2018, 01:38:34 AM
Post by: kramer0 on June 09, 2018, 01:51:14 AM
"People say Raiola could play a big role in Everton's transfers. But maybe not. We'll see. The end."
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 09, 2018, 02:08:11 AM
Top journalism there.
"People say Raiola could play a big role in Everton's transfers. But maybe not. We'll see. The end."
There’s absolutely no way he’s going to dictate our policy. We are still only going to be in the same bracket for who we can attract even with his help so he’s not gonna be allowed to push whoever he wants on us.
We’ll be on slightly friendlier terms and that will be it
Post by: Alanvideo on June 09, 2018, 02:30:28 AM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1005150968655286273................always reminds me of John Belushi
Post by: Brownie on June 09, 2018, 03:24:17 AM
................always reminds me of John Belushi
After he died
Post by: Juanito on June 09, 2018, 06:50:50 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on June 09, 2018, 10:09:18 PM
Would like to see Jonathan Tah alongside Holgate at Centre half. Mori and Williams to move on, with Jags and Keane as cover.
I don’t think you’ll see Holgate starting ahead of Keane any time soon
Post by: Shogun on June 09, 2018, 10:54:15 PM
I don’t think you’ll see Holgate starting ahead of Keane any time soon
Why?
Everything I've heard about Silva and from the man himself is that he doesn't care who you are or what you cost. If you play well enough then you're in the team.
Keane has been fairly abject for most of his time here and Holgate seems much more suited to Silva's style than Keane.
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 10, 2018, 12:33:22 AM
Why?
Everything I've heard about Silva and from the man himself is that he doesn't care who you are or what you cost. If you play well enough then you're in the team.
Keane has been fairly abject for most of his time here and Holgate seems much more suited to Silva's style than Keane.
I think in fairness Allardyce played such negative football the defence just got pinned down so Keane's arse probably went a bit incase he messed up and the crowd turned on him. Playing a higher tempo/press will give him more time to play better... Here's hoping anyway. Then we'll see if he's a player, or not.
Post by: School of Science on June 10, 2018, 01:15:11 AM
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 10, 2018, 02:53:18 AM
Really rate Holgate, seem to think he's the only centre half we have who has aggression and composure on the ball, quite quick to compared to our other centre halves.
Wasn't he rated better than Stones once? It may have been at youth level like...
Post by: School of Science on June 10, 2018, 03:00:31 AM
Wasn't he rated better than Stones once? It may have been at youth level like...
Not sure about that, but I do think there's a really good player in there, hope he's not on the list .
Post by: Morta75 on June 10, 2018, 02:18:21 PM
Post by: Free Agent on June 10, 2018, 05:39:13 PM
If you’re reading, here’s a nice list to get you started...
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44369212 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44369212)
Post by: Shogun on June 10, 2018, 05:47:09 PM
@brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) has been going on about him since he was @brap. (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=255)
Post by: Blue Lagoon on June 10, 2018, 05:56:50 PM
Post by: Juanito on June 13, 2018, 01:49:06 PM
Phillip Max
Jonathan Tah
Docoure
Lozano
All have pace, power, athleticism, at the right age and comfortable on the ball.
Adios;
Williams
Schneiderlin
Besic
Mirallas
Mori
Galloway
Tarashaj
Rooney
Martina
Pennington
Sandro
Klaassen
Steklenburg
Connolly, Dowell, DCL and maybe Robinson on loan again.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 13, 2018, 03:25:15 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 13, 2018, 03:51:11 PM
Would love to see the likes of;
Phillip Max
Jonathan Tah
Docoure
Lozano
All have pace, power, athleticism, at the right age and comfortable on the ball.
Adios;
Williams
Schneiderlin
Besic
Mirallas
Mori
Galloway
Tarashaj
Rooney
Martina
Pennington
Sandro
Klaassen
Steklenburg
Connolly, Dowell, DCL and maybe Robinson on loan again.
If we were to get rid of all those players in one window I think the likes of Connolly, dowell, DCL and robinson would be needed to bolster squad numbers
Post by: Hawkandro on June 13, 2018, 04:28:33 PM
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2018, 05:24:15 PM
I think in fairness Allardyce played such negative football the defence just got pinned down so Keane's arse probably went a bit incase he messed up and the crowd turned on him. Playing a higher tempo/press will give him more time to play better... Here's hoping anyway. Then we'll see if he's a player, or not.
Negative football should have played into Keane's hands, he earned his reputation paying in a defensive Burnley side. The difference with us is that when we have the ball we're encouraged to do something with it which means the turnaround of play was quicker, which left him exposed, and he couldn't cope without two players tight in either side.
He's just a poor defender and an even worse athlete, for a lad in his mid 20's.
Post by: dunkster on June 13, 2018, 05:29:37 PM
Or is it just that we need to trim the squad right down before moshiri authorised decent funding?
Just going on the possibility we shelved plans for that Newcastle defender having been quoted £30 mill.
Even if we bin half this lot there won't be huge money from it. After signing on fees and agent fees on top of transfer amount I do wonder how much there will be to spend.
Post by: Gash on June 13, 2018, 05:33:56 PM
So are we a Sell to Buy club this summer?.
Or is it just that we need to trim the squad right down before moshiri authorised decent funding?
Just going on the possibility we shelved plans for that Newcastle defender having been quoted £30 mill.
Even if we bin half this lot there won't be huge money from it. After signing on fees and agent fees on top of transfer amount I do wonder how much there will be to spend.
We've too big a squad and too big a wage bill. We don't have to buy to sell like the old days but from both a sensible business point of view and a squad management point of view we need to trim the squad. I dare say the negative people will try to turn it into something else but I don't see an issue with it, it makes perfect sense.
Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2018, 05:36:34 PM
So are we a Sell to Buy club this summer?.
Or is it just that we need to trim the squad right down before moshiri authorised decent funding?
Just going on the possibility we shelved plans for that Newcastle defender having been quoted £30 mill.
Even if we bin half this lot there won't be huge money from it. After signing on fees and agent fees on top of transfer amount I do wonder how much there will be to spend.
More like sell before you buy rather than sell to buy.
We have a squad of 38 players. That needs to drastically reduce before anybody comes in.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2018, 05:41:07 PM
So are we a Sell to Buy club this summer?.
Or is it just that we need to trim the squad right down before moshiri authorised decent funding?
Just going on the possibility we shelved plans for that Newcastle defender having been quoted £30 mill.
Even if we bin half this lot there won't be huge money from it. After signing on fees and agent fees on top of transfer amount I do wonder how much there will be to spend.
No. Don't you get it? We've been run like a mental aslyum for the last 12 months plus, spending well over £250m on an assortment of random players.
Brands has come in and basically gone 'lads, this is fucking ridiculous. Let's move a good few of these on, and let's stop getting massively overcharged for decent players, when I can get someone on the continent for half the fee and half the wages probably'.
We don't need to buy loads of players this summer. We have a good squad in there, with plenty of youngsters. We just need to target 2/3/4 specific areas of the team, and be much more surgical in our transfer dealings.
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2018, 05:41:12 PM
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2018, 05:45:55 PM
So are we a Sell to Buy club this summer?.
Or is it just that we need to trim the squad right down before moshiri authorised decent funding?
Just going on the possibility we shelved plans for that Newcastle defender having been quoted £30 mill.
Even if we bin half this lot there won't be huge money from it. After signing on fees and agent fees on top of transfer amount I do wonder how much there will be to spend.
We don't need an overhaul anyway. We could do nothing this summer and still finish 7th under a proper manager so there's no need to panic if we don't see a lot of incoming activity. There's a lot to work with, some talented youngsters and with a few decent additions (and shipping out a lot of shite) the squad won't look too bad.
Post by: Juanito on June 13, 2018, 08:49:30 PM
If we were to get rid of all those players in one window I think the likes of Connolly, dowell, DCL and robinson would be needed to bolster squad numbers
Good point.
Post by: dunkster on June 13, 2018, 09:52:01 PM
And It makes sense to do most of that before looking for any additions.
I'm just wondering what sort of money moshiri is looking to add to sales for new players.
Various reports (and yeah I know most reports are made up) suggesting moshiri isn't looking to plough anymore/much of his money in this summer, having spunked shit loads already.
Post by: Juanito on June 13, 2018, 10:41:27 PM
Negative football should have played into Keane's hands, he earned his reputation paying in a defensive Burnley side. The difference with us is that when we have the ball we're encouraged to do something with it which means the turnaround of play was quicker, which left him exposed, and he couldn't cope without two players tight in either side.
He's just a poor defender and an even worse athlete, for a lad in his mid 20's.
Michael ‘turn on a dustbin’ Keane. Hopefully Silva and co can get him into yoga to make him a bit more agile.
Post by: Toffee1 on June 14, 2018, 12:09:46 AM
Michael ‘turn on a dustbin’ Keane. Hopefully Silva and co can get him into yoga to make him a bit more agile.
This style of training would also help him out.
Post by: Cozzie on June 14, 2018, 02:35:04 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on June 14, 2018, 02:52:38 PM
Did I just hear on SSN that we are competing with Arsenal for Mario Gotze?
Great player, but he makes Daniel Sturridge look robust.
Post by: Toffee1 on June 14, 2018, 03:34:42 PM
Did I just hear on SSN that we are competing with Arsenal for Mario Gotze?
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11404230/mario-gotze-interesting-arsenal-everton-and-west-ham
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 14, 2018, 03:36:24 PM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on June 14, 2018, 04:00:11 PM
Most of this is paper talk bollocks as usual.
Post by: blue slug on June 14, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if any of the signings we get we wouldn't have previously been linked with, Brands strikes me as someone who likes to keep things close to his chest as does Silva.
Most of this is paper talk bollocks as usual.
I hope your right
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2018, 04:13:01 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 14, 2018, 05:23:36 PM
Gotze is extremely overated with an appalling injury record, swerve.
Totally pointless signing
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 06:18:43 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 15, 2018, 01:41:55 AM
Post by: Brownie on June 15, 2018, 02:00:11 AM
Teamtalk has us linked to Sean Clare 21 year old from Sheffield Wednesday
Teamtalk? Is that still a thing? Memories there
Post by: blue slug on June 15, 2018, 02:06:02 AM
Teamtalk? Is that still a thing? Memories there
It’s probably bollocks mate but hadn’t seen it so thought I’d post it
Post by: Brownie on June 15, 2018, 02:08:12 AM
It’s probably bollocks mate but hadn’t seen it so thought I’d post it
Even if it is I'm just happy that Teamtalk is still around. Spent hours waiting for the headlines on itv teletext to come up as a kid
Post by: blue slug on June 15, 2018, 02:32:30 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on June 15, 2018, 02:41:19 AM
Teamtalk has us linked to Sean Clare 21 year old from Sheffield Wednesday...........................apparently we are leading the chase along with the shite ,followed by numerous other PL clubs and Preston.
Used to go on Teamtalk 20 years ago ,that was when the mods used to comment on each post and call themselves journos.
Post by: Danny on June 15, 2018, 03:16:07 AM
Even if it is I'm just happy that Teamtalk is still around. Spent hours waiting for the headlines on itv teletext to come up as a kid
It's shite now, all their stuff is clickbait and they have transfer pictures that lure you into clicking.
As an example it'd say "United star demanding transfer after only being there one year" Matic will be in focus in the middle of the picture with Lindelof standing in the background, when you open the article it's always the guy in the background.
Post by: Brownie on June 15, 2018, 03:29:33 AM
It's shite now, all their stuff is clickbait and they have transfer pictures that lure you into clicking.
As an example it'd say "United star demanding transfer after only being there one year" Matic will be in focus in the middle of the picture with Lindelof standing in the background, when you open the article it's always the guy in the background.
Not much changes there then. I remember the following headlines
'Midfield Star joins Blues' - phone up and Barry Horne has left for Birmingham
And the infamous - 'WEAH! WEAH! WEAH!' Headline
Post by: Outworlder47 on June 15, 2018, 05:49:29 AM
Teamtalk has us linked to Sean Clare 21 year old from Sheffield Wednesday
Would be a free transfer after the end of the month, though the signing team will likely owe Wednesday compensation for his youth development. Predominantly right-sided central mid, but doesn't have much match time under his belt. 1 goal in 9 apps two seasons ago in a half-season loan to Accrington Stanley in League Two, 1 in 7 for Gillingham last fall in League One before returning to Wednesday, 1 in 5 before an ankle injury ended his season.
Was apparently headed for Villa before their financial woes ended that. Seems like Celtic and Rangers are both after him now, as are Wolves, and that's probably his level right now.
Post by: Waltzer on June 15, 2018, 02:58:04 PM
According to reports in The Telegraph, via Sky Sports’ Paper Talk, Everton are considering making an £8m bid for West Bromwich Albion left-back Kieran Gibbs.
The Telegraph report that the Merseyside outfit are weighing up a move for the Baggies’ Gibbs, who may well want a return to the Premier League having suffered relegation to the Championship in his first season with the west Midlands outfit.
While it was a disappointing campaign for the club, the former Arsenal defender was one of their more consistent performers.
The 28-year-old made 37 appearances in all competitions, providing three assists, as the Baggies came close to securing their top flight status following some improved defensive performances under Darren Moore in April and May.
Post by: formerKHL on June 15, 2018, 03:07:51 PM
he's 31 but not too old for us...his experience would bring our young defenders on leaps and bounds ( main reason for purchase) but he could also do a good job for us both defensively and as the elusive holding midfielder role for a few seasons....
buys us time.....fills a central defender "hole".....helps develop the young defenders....
makes sense to me...
Post by: TheRam on June 15, 2018, 03:08:02 PM
Post by: TheTone on June 15, 2018, 03:54:48 PM
Post by: Simon Paul on June 15, 2018, 04:05:48 PM
Hmmm, not sure about this....
According to reports in The Telegraph, via Sky Sports’ Paper Talk, Everton are considering making an £8m bid for West Bromwich Albion left-back Kieran Gibbs.
The Telegraph report that the Merseyside outfit are weighing up a move for the Baggies’ Gibbs, who may well want a return to the Premier League having suffered relegation to the Championship in his first season with the west Midlands outfit.
While it was a disappointing campaign for the club, the former Arsenal defender was one of their more consistent performers.
The 28-year-old made 37 appearances in all competitions, providing three assists, as the Baggies came close to securing their top flight status following some improved defensive performances under Darren Moore in April and May.
not seen or heard anything to back up claims that we're in for him
the last "news" on it really was along the lines of "Should Everton be interested in Kieran Gibbs?" and that was 3 days ago...
Post by: Gash on June 15, 2018, 04:10:45 PM
i'd have a cheeky look/bid for David Luiz....depending on whether conte stays or not....there's a fallout between the 2..
he's 31 but not too old for us...his experience would bring our young defenders on leaps and bounds ( main reason for purchase) but he could also do a good job for us both defensively and as the elusive holding midfielder role for a few seasons....
buys us time.....fills a central defender "hole".....helps develop the young defenders....
makes sense to me...
Doesn't make any sense at all, he's an absolute liability. The only time he looked half decent was when Matic and Kante were protecting him. Deserves a bit of credit for that free kick against Liverpool though.
Post by: TheRam on June 15, 2018, 04:12:25 PM
Post by: Waltzer on June 15, 2018, 04:19:40 PM
not seen or heard anything to back up claims that we're in for him
the last "news" on it really was along the lines of "Should Everton be interested in Kieran Gibbs?" and that was 3 days ago...
TBH it wasn't the most reputable source, but didnt know if it had been mentioned? It also claims this shows a lack of ambition!! :(
https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/everton/everton-signing-kieran-gibbs-would-prove-marco-silva-isnt-ready-for-toffees-job
Post by: TheTone on June 15, 2018, 05:48:04 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 15, 2018, 06:04:03 PM
Post by: formerKHL on June 15, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
Doesn't make any sense at all, he's an absolute liability. The only time he looked half decent was when Matic and Kante were protecting him. Deserves a bit of credit for that free kick against Liverpool though.
sorta get what what your saying... hence why i said a "cheeky bid"......
however, his experience speaks for itself......
Post by: Lxxx on June 15, 2018, 06:51:49 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 15, 2018, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 15, 2018, 08:11:37 PM
Any news from the man in the Skem scran van?
Yeah its been a while hasn't it
Post by: blue slug on June 15, 2018, 08:13:47 PM
Post by: Ramjam on June 15, 2018, 10:42:14 PM
Post by: sam of the south on June 15, 2018, 10:51:54 PM
Everton has just had a mention in the Morocco game that we are scouting one of their players, I think it’s the young lad in the 18 shirt
Maybe Ziyech
Post by: American Evertonian on June 15, 2018, 10:58:43 PM
Def our biggest needs and he already realizes. Now just need to fill those roles appropriately.
Don't think Robinson is ready yet which is unfortunate as I think he would be ready to take over in a year or two which would allow us to focus money elsewhere.
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 15, 2018, 11:00:14 PM
Maybe Ziyech
Apparently off to AS Roma!
Post by: Ramjam on June 15, 2018, 11:09:46 PM
Maybe ZiyechIt’s Amine Harit
Post by: kramer0 on June 16, 2018, 02:10:10 AM
Liked seeing Silva's comments today about what he wants to fill: CM, LB, and CB.
Def our biggest needs and he already realizes. Now just need to fill those roles appropriately.
If we can only target a few players, those are the positions.
Good to hear.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 16, 2018, 02:20:56 AM
If we can only target a few players, those are the positions.
Good to hear.
Do you not think we need something extra in attacking positions too. I guess if the centre midfielder was absolutely fantastic going both ways it would help a lot.
We really need another winger too though or we are relying on lookman to be great all season and we need another striker at some stage
Post by: Heisenberg on June 16, 2018, 02:28:49 AM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 16, 2018, 02:33:51 AM
Post by: kramer0 on June 16, 2018, 02:35:20 AM
We'll score enough if we can work the ball into final third with any sort of regularity.
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 16, 2018, 03:00:10 AM
Buzzing the World Cup's on tbh. Not gonna stress about signings at all.
Was thinking the same until I watched Carvalho dodge the ball for 94 mins tonight!
Post by: Bluedylan on June 16, 2018, 03:17:47 AM
I think our attackers are underrated after a full season of nobody being able to pass them the ball in the areas that matter.
We'll score enough if we can work the ball into final third with any sort of regularity.
Agreed. I also think they don't wanna change too much, too quickly. Brands was talking about crazy player turnover and how unstable it can be. It'll be 2 or 3 windows and gradually evolving the team with around 3 players per window, I think.
Post by: brap2 on June 16, 2018, 03:49:31 AM
Do you not think we need something extra in attacking positions too. I guess if the centre midfielder was absolutely fantastic going both ways it would help a lot.
We really need another winger too though or we are relying on lookman to be great all season and we need another striker at some stage
Yeah we deffo do need a dangerous attacker and probably a striker - but we could probably live without and get 7th/8th maybe, but if we don’t get a CB, CM, and LB, we’d be fucked again.
Post by: Shogun on June 16, 2018, 03:55:02 AM
I think our attackers are underrated after a full season of nobody being able to pass them the ball in the areas that matter.
We'll score enough if we can work the ball into final third with any sort of regularity.
Exactly, we managed goals even with Allardyce having us 19th in most attacking rankings.
Post by: dunkster on June 16, 2018, 04:02:55 AM
Post by: blue slug on June 16, 2018, 04:14:33 AM
Post by: dunkster on June 16, 2018, 04:31:39 AM
Wouldn’t mind that Ronaldo fella he looks decent
He's just been awesome his whole career
Post by: Cozzie on June 16, 2018, 05:08:56 AM
Avoid.
Post by: blue slug on June 16, 2018, 05:13:04 AM
Yeah. Tonight reaffirmed my worry with Carvalho.
Avoid.
Yeah definitely swerve that one
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 16, 2018, 05:21:14 AM
Yeah. Tonight reaffirmed my worry with Carvalho.
Avoid.
He’s actually crap isn’t he. Just a plodder with a fancy name and a load of hype (from years ago) there’s a reason he’s still in Portugal. Be an absolute nightmare signing
Post by: brap2 on June 16, 2018, 05:25:24 AM
Post by: Cozzie on June 16, 2018, 05:29:05 AM
He’s actually crap isn’t he. Just a plodder with a fancy name and a load of hype (from years ago) there’s a reason he’s still in Portugal. Be an absolute nightmare signing
He's pure unadulterated shite mate.
Hes gotten away with it in that league as its average, hes done ok for Portugal as he has always been surrounded by class players.
He would get absolutely steam rollered in this league, he wouldn't bring anything to our midfield we don't already have, he would actually make it worse.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 16, 2018, 07:44:14 AM
He's pure unadulterated shite mate.
Hes gotten away with it in that league as its average, hes done ok for Portugal as he has always been surrounded by class players.
He would get absolutely steam rollered in this league, he wouldn't bring anything to our midfield we don't already have, he would actually make it worse.
He's a European Champion to be fair, and he keeps getting picked first choice for a strong international team in a key area.
Not going to pretend I watch him domestically but he's clearly a good player and has a lot going for him. It's tough to judge any midfielders against Spain.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 16, 2018, 12:31:45 PM
He's a European Champion to be fair, and he keeps getting picked first choice for a strong international team in a key area.
Not going to pretend I watch him domestically but he's clearly a good player and has a lot going for him. It's tough to judge any midfielders against Spain.
Does it work like that? Name me some of Greece’s European champions. I remember France winning the World Cup with an utterly terrible striker (the guy Newcastle had already signed)
Portugal have quite a few very average players. Didn’t the guy who scored the winning goal in the final fail at Bolton and I’ve not even got a clue who he plays for now
He’s obviously not shite by average man in the street standards but he’s a very average footballer who’s being rated way above where he’s at in terms of fees and wages. I don’t see anything in him that suggests he’s better than what we already have
Post by: Trowel on June 16, 2018, 02:16:57 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-ceo-how-help-brands-14790942
“Marcel is the person who, as the director of football, will be dealing with the agents, who will be scouting and working with the manager – they will be looking at what they need to best populate our team,” Everton's CEO told the ECHO.
“My role comes in to make sure we facilitate that as quickly as possible whether that be financially, whether that's about contract management and so once their decisions are made I can facilitate that execution and making sure we do that as effectively and efficiently as possible.
Post by: Goaljira on June 16, 2018, 02:21:57 PM
He's a European Champion to be fair, and he keeps getting picked first choice for a strong international team in a key area.
Not going to pretend I watch him domestically but he's clearly a good player and has a lot going for him. It's tough to judge any midfielders against Spain.
In possesion he's good as he moves the ball on quickly and has a decent range of passing, but tonight was exactly the same as any other game i've seen him play out of possession - if he's up against a team thats either quick or moves the ball quickly then he can't get close enough to be effective. Its Gareth Barry all over again.
Post by: dunkster on June 16, 2018, 02:51:48 PM
Post by: Ramjam on June 16, 2018, 02:58:38 PM
Whether or not he has attributes we are not giving him credit for, what was clear, is he isn't that mobile, ball hungry, demand ball from defense, dictate play with a range of precision passing type that we need.He looked like a player who didn’t want to get involved, played save at every opportunity, looked slow, lethargic and a bit clumsy, I’d go as far as saying I’d much rather keep Schniderlin than buy this look alike heavy weight boxer.
Post by: Cozzie on June 16, 2018, 02:59:04 PM
He's a European Champion to be fair, and he keeps getting picked first choice for a strong international team in a key area.
Not going to pretend I watch him domestically but he's clearly a good player and has a lot going for him. It's tough to judge any midfielders against Spain.
Wes Morgan has a premier league winners medal though in the same sense, doesn't always dictate the players quality.
I can see what you are saying but I've watched him enough times in the past and a lot more recently since the linkage and I'm very underwhelmed.
Gareth Barry wasn't blessed with pace but did his DM role well, this guy looks even slower though, if we are to implement a pressing style next season I fail to see where he fits in.
Post by: blue slug on June 16, 2018, 04:32:33 PM
He's a European Champion to be fair, and he keeps getting picked first choice for a strong international team in a key area.
Not going to pretend I watch him domestically but he's clearly a good player and has a lot going for him. It's tough to judge any midfielders against Spain.
Greece won the European championship and I’d say pretty much all there squad was pretty crap to decent at best
Post by: Ramjam on June 16, 2018, 04:33:45 PM
Greece won the European championship and I'd say pretty much all there squad was pretty crap to decent at bestThe Leicester of Europe
Post by: Lxxx on June 16, 2018, 04:40:42 PM
We’ve spent the past few years moaning at players like Barkley, Schneiderlin and Keane while bang average players just walk past them all game.
I’m sure Brands and Silva will do a lot more due diligence with our cash than Walsh and the rest did.
Post by: blargins on June 16, 2018, 05:36:40 PM
The Leicester of Europe
In fairness, Leicester played with some panache and pace that season. Greece won that championship playing the Moyes way.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 17, 2018, 04:14:53 AM
In fairness, Leicester played with some panache and pace that season. Greece won that championship playing the Moyes way.
If they were playing the Moyes way they’d have bottled it in the semi.
Post by: Danny on June 17, 2018, 05:17:11 AM
In possesion he's good as he moves the ball on quickly and has a decent range of passing, but tonight was exactly the same as any other game i've seen him play out of possession - if he's up against a team thats either quick or moves the ball quickly then he can't get close enough to be effective. Its Gareth Barry all over again.
Wish we had Gareth Barry all over again, especially the 24 year old version
Post by: Toffee Tuesdays on June 17, 2018, 07:52:53 AM
If they were playing the Moyes way they’d have bottled it in the semi.
You mean the Martinez way? Under Moyes we at least had the lead in a final ;)
Post by: Silas on June 17, 2018, 01:52:47 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on June 17, 2018, 04:33:28 PM
Gareth Barry wasn't blessed with pace but did his DM role well, this guy looks even slower though, if we are to implement a pressing style next season I fail to see where he fits in.
I don’t think that you need a mobile DM to implement a pressing style, as they should be holding their position whilst the forwards/more attacking midfielders press to block the passing lanes.
The likes of Busquets and Casimiro are both slow and play perfectly well in high press systems
Post by: Cozzie on June 17, 2018, 06:33:37 PM
I don’t think that you need a mobile DM to implement a pressing style, as they should be holding their position whilst the forwards/more attacking midfielders press to block the passing lanes.
The likes of Busquets and Casimiro are both slow and play perfectly well in high press systems
Agreed but still from what I have seen Schneiderlin looks more mobile than this guy.
Still think that while a DM doesn't necessarily need pace as you said the pace of the premier league would see this guy overwhelmed I reckon, just doesn't seem the type of player we need.
Post by: sam of the south on June 18, 2018, 10:22:56 PM
I want us to be linked with up and coming players 19-23, but Lozano and Maddison apart, most of the links are for players that are older, and not even particularly rated.
Post by: TheRam on June 18, 2018, 11:00:30 PM
I know it’s mainly all bullshit, but none of these links are very inspiring, are they?
I want us to be linked with up and coming players 19-23, but Lozano and Maddison apart, most of the links are for players that are older, and not even particularly rated.
How’s about this then :)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/18/everton-target-sporting-lisbon-winger-gelson-martins-ajax-defender/
Post by: blue slug on June 18, 2018, 11:04:42 PM
Post by: Cozzie on June 18, 2018, 11:25:14 PM
Would love them 2 in theram
Im not too sure @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) would enjoy having them in him though.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 18, 2018, 11:28:12 PM
Im not too sure @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) would enjoy having them in him though.
Not seen @Shogun (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) 's signature? The lad loves it, any way he can get it.
Post by: TheRam on June 18, 2018, 11:31:57 PM
Post by: Cozzie on June 18, 2018, 11:33:10 PM
Not seen @Shogun (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) 's signature? The lad loves it, any way he can get it.
Haha. I did actually think of his sig as soon as I hit post.
Maybe he is the freaky type whod try anything once.
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 18, 2018, 11:36:01 PM
How's about this then :)Sound
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/18/everton-target-sporting-lisbon-winger-gelson-martins-ajax-defender/
Post by: brap2 on June 19, 2018, 01:51:39 AM
Post by: dchans on June 19, 2018, 03:13:38 AM
Post by: dunkster on June 19, 2018, 03:45:55 AM
Fuck me we need to sign Loftus cheek - would be a massive signing
He looked decent didn't he
Post by: dchans on June 19, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
He looked decent didn't he
Yep literally the perfect signing for us, even on loan for a year so we can concentrate on integrating the other two or three major positions needed
Looked strong, quick, good feet and plays with his head up. Gonna be some baller in the near future, not sure Chelsea would sell outright without some buy back clause etc
Post by: Hawkandro on June 19, 2018, 02:23:27 PM
I'd be asking Chelsea how much they want for RLC also.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 19, 2018, 02:25:33 PM
Post by: Juanito on June 19, 2018, 02:32:46 PM
Post by: Cozzie on June 19, 2018, 02:34:00 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on June 19, 2018, 03:12:05 PM
Hopefully we don't sign another shit load of foreigners who take 2 years to acclimatise and have a steady string of excuses made for their failure to adjust . Need to get the balance right this time between potential and experience of the league .
Alright Nige.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 19, 2018, 03:15:04 PM
Telegraph link always seems more promising than the Daily Star.
Interestingly, it was from Sam Wallace, not the usual Everton/North West Telegraph guy, Chris Bascombe. Not sure what to make of that, because Bascombe always seems to have the connections and info at Everton.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 19, 2018, 03:21:08 PM
Interestingly, it was from Sam Wallace, not the usual Everton/North West Telegraph guy, Chris Bascombe. Not sure what to make of that, because Bascombe always seems to connections and info at Everton.
Yeah, that is what is tempering my hopes. I am awaiting the Paul Joyce seal of approval.
Interesting to see Wolves have snapped Rui Patricio up on a free now, so guessing Carvalho and Martins are available. Be nice if we got cracking!
Post by: brap2 on June 19, 2018, 03:28:30 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 19, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
Can’t see us getting either tbh and it’s a bit worrying again we seem to be getting publicly linked with players who will have no interest in coming to us.
Give Brands a chance though. Maybe De Ligt is a bit of a fantasy but Martins is probably gettable. He got a player like Lozano to PSV when bigger clubs from bigger leagues were sniffing, so he's capable of selling an opportunity and a club to a player.
I think we need a bit of that ambition in our transfers. We've bought too much average Premier League dross for big money.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 19, 2018, 03:47:14 PM
Alright Nige.
Typically droll Troll .
Post by: Jamokachi on June 19, 2018, 03:53:14 PM
Typically droll Troll .
Typical "yer 'da" narrative from you.
Our recruitment has been a mess, whether the player(s) have been bought from the domestic league(s) or other. "Johnny Foreigner" isn't the issue, identifying the right player is.
You can carry on thinking I'm a troll, but all I'm doing is calling out your boring, i'll thought shouts.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 19, 2018, 04:04:12 PM
Typical "yer 'da" narrative from you.
Our recruitment has been a mess, whether the player(s) have been bought from the domestic league(s) or other. "Johnny Foreigner" isn't the issue, identifying the right player is.
You can carry on thinking I'm a troll, but all I'm doing is calling out your boring, i'll thought shouts.
I will be as enthused as anyone else if and when we get it right . Till then any Yer 'da shouts are justified .
Post by: Macca77 on June 19, 2018, 04:47:38 PM
Chill out people.
Please lets not have a meltdown everytime another club signs a player that we have been briefly linked with by the press.
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 19, 2018, 05:21:01 PM
Liverpool echo
Pissing on chips since time begun
Post by: Cozzie on June 19, 2018, 06:14:13 PM
Post by: Makis on June 19, 2018, 06:19:28 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on June 19, 2018, 06:28:11 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 19, 2018, 06:45:53 PM
Post by: blargins on June 19, 2018, 06:49:31 PM
So according to the echo we are in for absolutely no one.
I'm glad everything is all hush, hush this summer. I'd rather not know and then be surprised when we do sign someone.
What amuses me is the "have to wait til the world cup is over" comments. Considering most of the countries will be out of the competition early July, we should start seeing things happen then.
Post by: blue slug on June 19, 2018, 06:56:38 PM
Post by: Macca77 on June 19, 2018, 07:12:57 PM
So according to the echo we are in for absolutely no one.
The redshite echo know fuckall, its a nothing story
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 19, 2018, 07:16:27 PM
Which, when you look at how many people scoff at rumours linking us to players, seems to be pretty much what most people in this forum could probably have guessed anyway.
The thing to take out of this is:
- Ignore random agent-fed media outlets as a sole source of information
- We actually do have an interest in Lozano, but it's a long shot
- Brands wasn't just shooting shit when he said he wants to review the squad and ship people out before bringing people in
The echo may prefer Liverpool because they have a much larger following and so bring more clicks. But the guys paid to work on use are normally blues and dont show any obvious bias.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on June 19, 2018, 08:44:31 PM
I'd imagine after the knockout stages of the WC, transfers will be in full swing.
Post by: Danny on June 19, 2018, 09:01:28 PM
Post by: D15TIN on June 19, 2018, 09:04:41 PM
William Carvalho apparently going to InterHe was comfortable on the ball in that first game, but barely moves, our fans would hate him. Not the end of the world that one.
Post by: toffee_scot on June 19, 2018, 09:25:43 PM
I'd imagine they want to assess many of the players when they come back for preseason before deciding which ones to transfer out, by that time, they will have a better idea of the players they will want to bring in to the club who will make a difference.
It's a pity that the transfer window closes much earlier in the summer than previously but I guess that's the way it goes.
Post by: TheTone on June 19, 2018, 11:12:47 PM
It's a pity that the transfer window closes much earlier in the summer than previously but I guess that's the way it goes.
I'd forgotten about that, I assume the players won't be back from their holidays for a while so big Marco and big Marcel havnt had a chance to look at the squad properly yet
July it is then
Post by: D15TIN on June 19, 2018, 11:58:04 PM
Post by: Ross on June 20, 2018, 12:14:44 AM
Post by: Brownie on June 20, 2018, 12:23:49 AM
Anyone who had Issa Diop on their Christmas list is going to be disappointed he’s signed for West Ham.
Imagine being linked to Barca then signing for them
Post by: blargins on June 20, 2018, 01:08:43 AM
Whats the score with Onyekuru for next season, can we use him or not?
Nope. Can't get a visa.
Post by: D15TIN on June 20, 2018, 01:09:40 AM
Nope. Can't get a visa.Great stuff
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 20, 2018, 02:21:39 AM
Nope. Can't get a visa.
Lol. Absolute shambles of a club.
I hope they sign Wilshere.
Post by: blargins on June 20, 2018, 02:26:13 AM
Lol. Absolute shambles of a club.
I hope they sign Wilshere.
I think it was because he was injured and thus didn't get enough international games.
It's a dumb rule anyway. A professional footballer should be able to get a visa subject to him not having any previous convictions etc. It's not like he's going to be a drain on the system.
Post by: Ross on June 20, 2018, 03:03:47 AM
I mean we’ve known he’s been injured for months and he’d fail it on those grounds but there must be loopholes to exploit. There’s no way all these players from the far flung corners of the world that turn up in this country qualify on international appearances alone.
Post by: Waltzer on June 20, 2018, 03:20:01 AM
Surely there's exceptional circumstances for these things?I think they could've applied for this last season too? Maybe they just realise he isn't ready yet and wouldn't get enough game time so just keep him out on loan, he's still really young so probably the best all round.
I mean we've known he's been injured for months and he'd fail it on those grounds but there must be loopholes to exploit. There's no way all these players from the far flung corners of the world that turn up in this country qualify on international appearances alone.
Post by: blargins on June 20, 2018, 04:07:25 AM
Post by: Hawkandro on June 20, 2018, 02:21:15 PM
Whats the score with Onyekuru for next season, can we use him or not?
I believe the club were hopeful he would have played enough more games for Nigeria last season, allowing them to try and push through the WP for this season, but his injury meant he didn't meet the quota so has to go out again on loan this season.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 20, 2018, 04:21:20 PM
Aaron Mooy
Aaron Aaron Mooy
He's got no hair
But we dont care
Aaron Aaron Mooy.
Latest shitty rumours from the very reputable Sun have us and Southampton offering 18 mil for him. Decent little engine on him and a few goals, for that money.
Post by: Ramjam on June 20, 2018, 04:31:18 PM
Aaron MooyNo fucking way, this lad is not what we need, he’s championship material. I used to watch him playing for Western Sydney Wanderers a couple of years ago, not a bad wee player but fucking miles off premier league quality.
Aaron Mooy
Aaron Aaron Mooy
He's got no hair
But we dont care
Aaron Aaron Mooy.
Latest shitty rumours from the very reputable Sun have us and Southampton offering 18 mil for him. Decent little engine on him and a few goals, for that money.
Post by: brap2 on June 20, 2018, 04:31:57 PM
Need a player like him but better basically.
Post by: D15TIN on June 20, 2018, 09:10:15 PM
Post by: D15TIN on June 20, 2018, 09:11:42 PM
Aaron MooyDon't think he's good enough. Certainly not good enough to take us up a level. Like Tom Cleverly type.
Aaron Mooy
Aaron Aaron Mooy
He's got no hair
But we dont care
Aaron Aaron Mooy.
Latest shitty rumours from the very reputable Sun have us and Southampton offering 18 mil for him. Decent little engine on him and a few goals, for that money.
Post by: hackersunite on June 20, 2018, 10:01:10 PM
is this just a me thing (probably yes) but what about any other feeling on this???
World cup / smaller transfer window etc I understand.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 20, 2018, 10:15:30 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 20, 2018, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on June 20, 2018, 10:23:06 PM
Post by: kramer0 on June 20, 2018, 10:26:20 PM
There's no easy route to challenging the top 6 next season. It'll take at least a few windows.
I'm happy for them to take their time and get things right. We can't afford to waste any more money on players who don't suit what we want to do.
Post by: Macca77 on June 20, 2018, 10:32:09 PM
Raaaaar etc....
Post by: Gash on June 20, 2018, 10:37:17 PM
is this just a me thing (probably yes)
Yeah, every summer you start similar threads.
Post by: brap2 on June 20, 2018, 11:47:19 PM
There are however 8 clubs in the prem who’ve not made a move yet. It’s very early in the window, and there’s a big togger tournament on apparently.
Let’s get into July and then we can start sweating.
Post by: Waltzer on June 21, 2018, 12:36:30 AM
I think it’s fair enough to feel a bit of itchy feet due to the lack of action.
There are however 8 clubs in the prem who’ve not made a move yet. It’s very early in the window, and there’s a big togger tournament on apparently.
Let’s get into July and then we can start sweating.
It is very early, but is also only 50 days until it closes. I think in that short a window it going to be really difficult to do the business we need, the worry for me will be the amount we need to shift and if our policy is to shift some of the dead wood before investing then this could leave us short due to the fact the other leagues window closes at a later stage. I think this season will be a transition and expectations shouldnt be too high
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 21, 2018, 12:40:19 AM
"We need to reduce the squad before we buy anyone" or words to that affect from our DoF
No ones knocking on our door to buy our shit now Sunderland are in League One
Post by: Shogun on June 21, 2018, 01:11:35 AM
Post by: Gash on June 21, 2018, 01:59:03 AM
I'd rather we used the summer to clear out the shite, bring two or three players in only if they will improve us and then let Silva and Brands asses the squad during the first part of the season. We're not going to turn it all around in one window so there's no point making wholesale changes yet again. I get the impression that there's bit more of an air of professionalism about the club now and we'll be doing things more methodically and away from the public eye.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2018, 02:03:34 AM
Yeah, we've a few panic merchants around as usual. It's not like if we did nothing all summer the squad we have is going to get in trouble again, just a fresh approach and few more attempts on goal would be a step in the right direction.
I'd rather we used the summer to clear out the shite, bring two or three players in only if they will improve us and then let Silva and Brands asses the squad during the first part of the season. We're not going to turn it all around in one window so there's no point making wholesale changes yet again. I get the impression that there's bit more of an air of professionalism about the club now and we'll be doing things more methodically and away from the public eye.
Agree. We are a decent enough squad. It’s vital we clear away someone of the expensive shite too rather than amass even more players
Having said that though we are also really desperate for a hero or 2. Hopefully lookman will step up but we really do have to find 2 or 3 more with the potential to be of “top 6 quality”
We are a good squad but it’s also an incredibly boring uninspiring squad too
Post by: eugene on June 21, 2018, 02:18:52 AM
Yeah, we've a few panic merchants around as usual. It's not like if we did nothing all summer the squad we have is going to get in trouble again, just a fresh approach and few more attempts on goal would be a step in the right direction.Fully agree I believe we have learned a very wise lesson in keeping our cards firmly to our chests,
I'd rather we used the summer to clear out the shite, bring two or three players in only if they will improve us and then let Silva and Brands asses the squad during the first part of the season. We're not going to turn it all around in one window so there's no point making wholesale changes yet again. I get the impression that there's bit more of an air of professionalism about the club now and we'll be doing things more methodically and away from the public eye.
The media know absolutely nish with regards to our transfer plans and as such are in full speculative mode.
We will sign probably 3 good players on our terms and maybe 3 surplice players will leave.
THIS is what Brands will bring, dignified and a return to the days when we where seen as a team of pure professionalism and class and I for one am elated
Post by: Gash on June 21, 2018, 02:25:05 AM
We are a good squad but it’s also an incredibly boring uninspiring squad too
Largely because we had an incredibly boring, uninspiring manager for most of last season.
Post by: brap2 on June 21, 2018, 02:28:24 AM
It is very early, but is also only 50 days until it closes. I think in that short a window it going to be really difficult to do the business we need, the worry for me will be the amount we need to shift and if our policy is to shift some of the dead wood before investing then this could leave us short due to the fact the other leagues window closes at a later stage. I think this season will be a transition and expectations shouldnt be too high
Yes, feels like we have a lot to do in a short space of time.
Would feel better if a few of the wage sponges had started to get shifted.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2018, 02:46:20 AM
Largely because we had an incredibly boring, uninspiring manager for most of last season.
I don’t really agree. We’ve got good players but we’ve very little who the 6 sides above us would be interested in. We don’t have much individually that really excites. I’m hoping lookman steps up. We have to find a couple more though
Post by: Shogun on June 21, 2018, 02:59:39 AM
There’s nobody in the squad you’d be excited to see in the lineup or coming on as a sub in a match.
We don’t really have players who produce moments of magic consistently.
Post by: D15TIN on June 21, 2018, 03:02:20 AM
::)
No ones knocking on our door to buy our shit now Sunderland are in League One
haha
Post by: brap2 on June 21, 2018, 03:06:59 AM
I don’t really agree. We’ve got good players but we’ve very little who the 6 sides above us would be interested in. We don’t have much individually that really excites. I’m hoping lookman steps up. We have to find a couple more though
Every single club above us and a worrying amount of those below have a ‘superstar’ style individual baller.
Look at what happened to west ham when they dropped a bit of star power into their absolute dumpster fire of a club in Payet. Real attacking talent lifts a team a level instantly.
We don’t make chances, we don’t shoot a great deal, we don’t have any real 1v1 attackers to open space and teams and get the fans on their feet.
It’s the last on our list of priorities, but it is absolutely still a prioritity.
Post by: TheRam on June 21, 2018, 03:09:31 AM
That’s a pretty good attacking three in my eyes.
Tosun is the business as well.
Post by: Ravardo on June 21, 2018, 03:12:09 AM
Post by: brap2 on June 21, 2018, 03:16:10 AM
lookman, Sigurdsson, Walcott
That’s a pretty good attacking three in my eyes.
Tosun is the business as well.
I know what you’re saying and you can probably say Walcott / Sigurdsson should get you goals and assists, they really should.
Sigurdsson probably the closest to a real dangerous creative attacker, but we know across his career he has been more of a big moments in open play rather than consistently creating from open play type player.
Lookman we can’t bank on at all but I’ve personally got hopes.
We need a game changer, it’s really plain to see in my opinion.
Post by: brap2 on June 21, 2018, 03:18:47 AM
Just need someone in the middle to pass to them
The biggest priority definitely.
Post by: brap2 on June 21, 2018, 03:21:46 AM
1. A cm who can pass forward / dribble forward
2. A C.B. who can play almost every game. Either mountain, pace or baller not sure which way he’s going to go.
3. A L.B/LWB who can play plenty of games and look to be sharing first team with Baines eventually
4. Striker with a different profile to challenge Tosun
5. The dangerous forward, goalscoring wide player who can play 10 would be ideal.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2018, 03:28:04 AM
Every single club above us and a worrying amount of those below have a ‘superstar’ style individual baller.
Look at what happened to west ham when they dropped a bit of star power into their absolute dumpster fire of a club in Payet. Real attacking talent lifts a team a level instantly.
We don’t make chances, we don’t shoot a great deal, we don’t have any real 1v1 attackers to open space and teams and get the fans on their feet.
It’s the last on our list of priorities, but it is absolutely still a prioritity.
That’s it. It’s not just the 6 above is it. Palace West Ham and Leicester all have at least 1 that really excites. That could maybe make a step up above any of ours
Think that’s why most of us wanted Maddison. Just blind hope he could be potentially great
We’ve gone from Deulofeu, stones Barkley and lukaku to nothing. Granted it’s not worked out perfectly for all 4 but there was genuine hope amongst many of us that they could all be great
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2018, 03:29:51 AM
lookman, Sigurdsson, Walcott
That’s a pretty good attacking three in my eyes.
Tosun is the business as well.
They are but they are all kind of functional other than lookman who’s just starting out. We have consistency in them positions but not magic.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 21, 2018, 03:31:20 AM
That’s it. It’s not just the 6 above is it. Palace West Ham and Leicester all have at least 1 that really excites. That could maybe make a step up above any of ours
Think that’s why most of us wanted Maddison. Just blind hope he could be potentially great
We’ve gone from Deulofeu, stones Barkley and lukaku to nothing. Granted it’s not worked out perfectly for all 4 but there was genuine hope amongst many of us that they could all be great
The team will be the star under Silva.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2018, 03:41:19 AM
The team will be the star under Silva.
Hope so. Still be nice to have 1 or 2 stars as well.
Post by: Ross on June 21, 2018, 03:42:34 AM
I know what you’re saying and you can probably say Walcott / Sigurdsson should get you goals and assists, they really should.
Sigurdsson probably the closest to a real dangerous creative attacker, but we know across his career he has been more of a big moments in open play rather than consistently creating from open play type player.
Lookman we can’t bank on at all but I’ve personally got hopes.
We need a game changer, it’s really plain to see in my opinion.
Feels like our first eleven is very Moyes functional from his early years doesn’t it.
Which is criminal considering who and what we had 3 years back and the money we’ve spent since then.
Post by: Lxxx on June 21, 2018, 03:45:14 AM
Post by: D15TIN on June 21, 2018, 03:46:42 AM
A lot of hope testing on Lookman’s shoulders this season. Be gutted to see the fans go all Barkley on him just because he’s not delivering what we thought he would.Think he'll be sound under Silva, he'll be allowed to attack
Post by: Goaljira on June 21, 2018, 03:48:55 AM
We’ve gone from Deulofeu, stones Barkley and lukaku to nothing. Granted it’s not worked out perfectly for all 4 but there was genuine hope amongst many of us that they could all be great
Yeah,, but we didn't really expect them to be great still with us.
Post by: Confucius on June 21, 2018, 04:01:08 AM
Schneiderln can play as deep lying passing midfielder. He is good enough to di it. Gana and Davies as the pressing midfielers with any 3 of Tosun, Walcott, Lookman and Sig up front and we have a very good team.Sig could also be part of the midfield three. great engine on him.
Post by: blueToffee on June 21, 2018, 04:12:00 AM
The team will be the star under Silva.
There aren't that many (any?) top level teams, the type of team we're trying to emulate, without "stars" in that team though is there?
Post by: Macca77 on June 21, 2018, 05:21:32 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 21, 2018, 05:22:59 AM
Loftus-Cheek want's to leave Chelsea, we should be all over that right now
Just coming here to post exactly that:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/20/ruben-loftus-cheek-england-chelsea
Post by: brap2 on June 21, 2018, 05:39:14 AM
Reminds me of Barkley a little bit in terms of top heavy build but moves very well. Can pass, can dribble, don’t know what he’s like getting in the box or on the edge but we have Sigurdsson, Lookman and Walcott who are all adept at that.
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Post by: Mick 1995 on June 21, 2018, 03:16:49 PM
Chelsea fans I know are a bit iffy towards Loftus - Cheek and can't decide whether he is or isn't good enough for them . He is though good enough for us and I would take him any day .
I absolutely see him as their Ross Barkley.
Which is a bit odd ebcause they have the actual one as well.
Post by: Jamokachi on June 21, 2018, 04:06:05 PM
Kenwrong
Don't be that guy. No-one like that guy.
Post by: Toddacelli on June 21, 2018, 04:35:32 PM
The team will be the star under Silva.
I think it will have to be - in order to attract those one or two real stars that we want so badly.
Post by: Lxxx on June 21, 2018, 04:37:46 PM
Post by: Ramjam on June 21, 2018, 04:42:43 PM
Post by: Macca77 on June 21, 2018, 04:49:02 PM
Lozano
Wendel
Sexual that
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 21, 2018, 05:10:44 PM
I absolutely see him as their Ross Barkley.
Which is a bit odd ebcause they have the actual one as well.
Barkley could have stayed and played most games , Loftus- Cheek wants to play not sit on their bench like Ross . Their careers are going to go in opposite directions .
Post by: blueToffee on June 21, 2018, 05:11:59 PM
Now that RLC is an England international I think we can forget about signing him, his next move will be to a top 4 club
The guy wants to play week in week out, he’s not going to do that at many of the top 6 clubs, as he’s not the finished article. Similar to Rashford, who also has made noises about leaving. He’s not even played a complete PL season yet. It’s the same reason Lukaku came here.
Suggesting he is too good to come here is massively underestimating what we offer as a club. It’s also overestimating what RLC has done at club level too, he’s still pretty raw.
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 21, 2018, 05:15:56 PM
Barkley could have stayed and played most games , Loftus- Cheek wants to play not sit on their bench like Ross . Their careers are going to go in opposite directions .
Ah, i didn't say they were comparable in ability ot trajectory.
I just mean that they are forward minded players that split the fan base for very similar reasons.
Post by: Normm on June 21, 2018, 05:38:01 PM
Dowell, Lookman, DCL, Kenny, Beni, Davies, Vlasic, Holgate are all showing great potential - they just need the right kind of guidance, encouragement and opportunities to develop as top rate players. Hopefully, this season will be their time to shine, under Silva.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2018, 05:39:49 PM
I think it will have to be - in order to attract those one or two real stars that we want so badly.
We don’t need to attract stars. We need to find a couple. We’ve missed the boat if we are trying to sign proven
Post by: blue slug on June 21, 2018, 06:03:08 PM
Don't be that guy. No-one like that guy.
A bit of a retro shout wasn't it
Post by: Toddacelli on June 21, 2018, 07:12:05 PM
We don’t need to attract stars. We need to find a couple. We’ve missed the boat if we are trying to sign proven
The point was being attractive to players we need. Whether that is Ronaldo or the latest whizzkid from wherever is irrelevant. Unless we are playing like a coherent team with a bright future - we won't attract anyone for reasons other than over-inflated wages, stepping stone etc - things like that.
We need to become again the type of team that talented players can envision themselves achieving something with. That was the point.
I don't care if we make established or potential signings as long as they are the right signings, because, to be honest - I won't quote Hansen but I think we do need both to be successful.
Post by: Ramjam on June 21, 2018, 07:14:32 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2018, 07:19:45 PM
The point was being attractive to players we need. Whether that is Ronaldo or the latest whizzkid from wherever is irrelevant. Unless we are playing like a coherent team with a bright future - we won't attract anyone for reasons other than over-inflated wages, stepping stone etc - things like that.
We need to become again the type of team that talented players can envision themselves achieving something with. That was the point.
I don't care if we make established or potential signings as long as they are the right signings, because, to be honest - I won't quote Hansen but I think we do need both to be successful.
Watford palace West Ham and Leicester all have players converted by the top 6. They don’t have to be highly thought after to become quality players
Post by: Toddacelli on June 21, 2018, 07:27:24 PM
Watford palace West Ham and Leicester all have players converted by the top 6. They don’t have to be highly thought after to become quality players
I'll say it again - WE don't seem to be able to attract players of the right quality.
Post by: Ross on June 21, 2018, 07:27:35 PM
Watford palace West Ham and Leicester all have players converted by the top 6. They don’t have to be highly thought after to become quality players
I can only think of Mahez and he’s most likely off to City any week now.
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 21, 2018, 07:31:21 PM
I hope everyone can see how shite Mooy is here against Denmark
Badly shite so far
Post by: Ramjam on June 21, 2018, 07:36:03 PM
Badly shite so farSlows the play down before passing backwards, he’s fucking great at it
Post by: Bluedylan on June 21, 2018, 07:56:26 PM
Watford palace West Ham and Leicester all have players converted by the top 6. They don’t have to be highly thought after to become quality players
Moan moan moan moan. Jesus man. You depress the fuck out of me.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2018, 08:08:36 PM
Moan moan moan moan. Jesus man. You depress the fuck out of me.
How am I moaning. I'm only saying we don't have to attract ready made stars. That it's possible to find great players cheaper who aren't thought after by the top sides. Really not sure how that's moaning. Feel free to explain
Post by: stirlingblue on June 21, 2018, 08:18:39 PM
Moan moan moan moan. Jesus man. You depress the fuck out of me.
He does moan a lot, but I read that as a positive post for once
Post by: dunkster on June 21, 2018, 08:19:21 PM
How am I moaning. I'm only saying we don't have to attract ready made stars. That it's possible to find great players cheaper who aren't thought after by the top sides. Really not sure how that's moaning. Feel free to explain
Continually tells me I'm moaning or can't read between lines and need to chill. Think it's just his way.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 21, 2018, 08:21:52 PM
How am I moaning. I'm only saying we don't have to attract ready made stars. That it's possible to find great players cheaper who aren't thought after by the top sides. Really not sure how that's moaning. Feel free to explain
Alright, apologies if I misunderstood the tone of the post.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
Alright, apologies if I misunderstood the tone of the post.
I moan a lot. Was quite a safe bet in your defence
Post by: Macca77 on June 21, 2018, 08:26:49 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 21, 2018, 09:15:02 PM
Post by: D15TIN on June 21, 2018, 09:47:38 PM
Now that RLC is an England international I think we can forget about signing him, his next move will be to a top 4 club
Now that RLC is an England international I think we can forget about signing him, his next move will be to a top 4 clubnot so sure about that, I'd be expecting us to get him if we went in for him - which top 5 club would bid?
Post by: dunkster on June 21, 2018, 11:44:57 PM
May well be that he will pretty much have to prove his worth with the squad we have.
Post by: Brownie on June 21, 2018, 11:48:52 PM
Going to be very difficult convincing a top player to come here when they may have reservations about marco silva at the healm.
May well be that he will pretty much have to prove his worth with the squad we have.
What do you think they'd have reservations about?
Post by: Macca77 on June 21, 2018, 11:52:47 PM
Post by: mikey_blue on June 22, 2018, 02:54:34 AM
Post by: Lxxx on June 22, 2018, 03:12:44 AM
Now that RLC is an England international I think we can forget about signing him, his next move will be to a top 4 club
He’s already kinda there like.
Post by: D15TIN on June 22, 2018, 03:21:43 AM
Going to be very difficult convincing a top player to come here when they may have reservations about marco silva at the healm.why would they have a problem with silva like? plays attacking football, a lot of players that have played under him have praised him, plus we offer stupid wages. I don't worry about attracting players if were willing to pay them big.
May well be that he will pretty much have to prove his worth with the squad we have.
Tosun & Walcott signed when allardyce was here for gods sake
Post by: toffee_scot on June 22, 2018, 04:27:52 AM
He’s already kinda there like.
I thought Chelsea finished 5th in the league ;)
Post by: Confucius on June 22, 2018, 04:44:47 AM
What do you think they'd have reservations about?
Heard it’s tough to get reservations at Mowgli. Would put me off moving there for sure
Post by: dunkster on June 22, 2018, 05:42:28 AM
Not sure that constitutes 'flapping' if that was aimed at me.
I personally think he will be very good.
Post by: sixymack on June 22, 2018, 06:28:13 AM
Post by: Goughie on June 22, 2018, 12:51:30 PM
Haven't had a chance to check out many of the world cup games so far. Has anyone noticed any hidden gems that are doing well?
The boy from Portugal; their No7 seems to have something about him...not 100% convinced he’s what we need though!!
Post by: TheRam on June 22, 2018, 01:30:54 PM
Possibly reservations about hus abilities. The same way none of us know how he's going to fare. I think he needs to get a good season under his belt in order for people to get excited about working with him.
Not sure that constitutes 'flapping' if that was aimed at me.
I personally think he will be very good.
They won’t be arsed. They’d be more focused on the club they’re playing for rather than the manager.
You’re not flapping, but you are overthinking again.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 22, 2018, 03:24:12 PM
Wasn't sure if he would meet the work permit criteria yet.
Post by: blue slug on June 22, 2018, 03:26:45 PM
Are we definitely not able to get Onyekuru over this summer then?
Wasn't sure if he would meet the work permit criteria yet.
Someone mentioned the other day that he wont get a work permit as his injury kept him from playing enough international games
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 22, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
Someone mentioned the other day that he wont get a work permit as his injury kept him from playing enough international games
Ye he hinted at that himself on Twitter too. Basically blamed Anderlecht for purposely not playing him so he wouldn't go the world cup and have to play for them again next season. It was a fuckin bizzare rant.
I thought there could be a way round it.
Post by: blue slug on June 22, 2018, 03:31:31 PM
Ye he hinted at that himself on Twitter too. Basically blamed Anderlecht for purposely not playing him so he wouldn't go the world cup and have to play for them again next season. It was a fuckin bizzare rant.
I thought there could be a way round it.
I've never understood the problem with someone foreign earning thousands a week and paying taxes has problems getting a work permit but others come over with no job and milk the system lol
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 22, 2018, 03:37:56 PM
Now that RLC is an England international I think we can forget about signing him, his next move will be to a top 4 club
Kid seems to have his head screwed on:
Quote
That’s the key for me next season regarding where I end up, I want to play.
I do understand Chelsea are a big club and there is always pressure on managers to win games and trophies.
So I understand they might not be willing to take a chance on someone at a bigger club.
We’ll see what happens. I’m confident in my ability and that I can do well, wherever it is.
But I’m not thinking about whether I’m going to play at Chelsea right now. I’m only focused on the tournament
Post by: djws1788 on June 22, 2018, 04:08:19 PM
Haven't had a chance to check out many of the world cup games so far. Has anyone noticed any hidden gems that are doing well?
Not sure he’s exactly hidden as we’ve already been linked, but I have liked the look of Ziyech when i have watched Morocco
Post by: Ramjam on June 22, 2018, 04:14:48 PM
Yes, he’s top drawer that lad.
Not sure he's exactly hidden as we've already been linked, but I have liked the look of Ziyech when i have watched Morocco
Post by: Shogun on June 22, 2018, 04:16:21 PM
Also convinced most of that squad are doped to their eyeballs though.
Post by: blue slug on June 22, 2018, 04:20:15 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 22, 2018, 10:25:09 PM
Post by: kramer0 on June 22, 2018, 10:38:21 PM
And he’s 29.
And he has terrible hair.
Hard fucking pass.
Post by: velimski on June 22, 2018, 10:39:55 PM
lots of media outlets saying we want that Croatian centre half vida, was struggling to get game time at besiktas, I don't know anything about him, if he's any good or not
He's got a shit hairstyle, I know that much.
Like really shit.
Post by: blue slug on June 22, 2018, 10:47:12 PM
I thought Vida was one of the worst players I saw at Euro 2016.
And he’s 29.
And he has terrible hair.
Hard fucking pass.
Guess who else is in for him
Post by: Cassius on June 22, 2018, 10:48:17 PM
Guess who else is in for him
Toni and Guy?
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 22, 2018, 10:49:20 PM
Guess who else is in for him
The dildo salesmen?
Post by: TheRam on June 22, 2018, 11:03:01 PM
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 22, 2018, 11:27:10 PM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 22, 2018, 11:32:26 PM
Just based on his hair it’s a definite fuck know from me!You have inside information?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 22, 2018, 11:42:22 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 22, 2018, 11:54:14 PM
Post by: School of Science on June 22, 2018, 11:57:10 PM
It’s West Ham by the way 😆
Good Christ, who aren't they after ? The whole of Europe must be flooded with dildoes.
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 23, 2018, 12:41:04 AM
It’s West Ham by the way 😆
Did I win a prize?
Post by: Confucius on June 23, 2018, 12:57:32 AM
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Post by: blue slug on June 23, 2018, 01:11:55 AM
We should be looking at whoever is Modric’s replacement in the Croatian team. That is the guy we want. Even if he is half as good would be a great player.
Do you mean savic? Lazio turned down a 60m bid last season and some big champions league clubs would be in for him
Post by: Confucius on June 23, 2018, 01:15:10 AM
Post by: blue slug on June 23, 2018, 01:15:51 AM
Savic plays tho. I mean who is the youngster with the squad who is next in line.
Oh right sorry fella
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 23, 2018, 02:04:42 AM
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 23, 2018, 02:08:12 AM
You have inside information?
God knows why my autocorrect made no into know??
Post by: Bluedylan on June 23, 2018, 02:08:26 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 23, 2018, 02:12:28 AM
Post by: Goaljira on June 23, 2018, 02:17:12 AM
Let’s just sign all the guys younger than all the really good older guys.
Like Vlasic?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 23, 2018, 02:19:36 AM
Like Vlasic?
Is he younger than an older guy?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 23, 2018, 02:29:43 AM
Savic plays tho. I mean who is the youngster with the squad who is next in line.
Someone you’ve never seen or heard of just because he’s the best Croatia have got to replace modric? He could be crap! Most likely he is compared to modric.
Who replaced George best in the NI team? Who replaced Southall in the wales goal?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on June 23, 2018, 02:47:05 AM
Someone you’ve never seen or heard of just because he’s the best Croatia have got to replace modric? He could be crap! Most likely he is compared to modric.
Who replaced George best in the NI team? Who replaced Southall in the wales goal?
Paul Jones
Post by: Confucius on June 23, 2018, 03:40:23 AM
Someone you've never seen or heard of just because he's the best Croatia have got to replace modric? He could be crap! Most likely he is compared to modric.
Who replaced George best in the NI team? Who replaced Southall in the wales goal?
It want anything more than a who is the guy. Not anything else... BD answered the question though.
Thanks BD. That’s who I was thinking about.
Post by: Shogun on June 23, 2018, 03:41:49 AM
Milinkovic Savic is Serbian anyway. The Croatian replacement for Modric is probably Kovacic, who's already at Real Madrid, as a replacement for Modric.
Not sure Kovacic will stick around there that long.
Post by: stirlingblue on June 23, 2018, 02:33:38 PM
Someone you've never seen or heard of just because he's the best Croatia have got to replace modric? He could be crap! Most likely he is compared to modric.
Who replaced George best in the NI team? Who replaced Southall in the wales goal?
He wasn’t wrong if Kovacic is the backup, might be something to this method!
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 23, 2018, 02:41:37 PM
He wasn’t wrong if Kovacic is the backup, might be something to this method!
We could use it to sell the rubbish we’ve replaced the likes of lukaku and stones with too
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 23, 2018, 06:25:28 PM
Post by: brap2 on June 23, 2018, 06:38:13 PM
Post by: Hesmenos on June 24, 2018, 03:17:27 PM
It will be pretty hard though to convince him to come to us.
Post by: Morta75 on June 24, 2018, 03:31:17 PM
Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 24, 2018, 09:42:17 PM
Post by: brap2 on June 24, 2018, 11:29:21 PM
Sign him!
Post by: brap2 on June 24, 2018, 11:39:39 PM
Post by: TheRam on June 24, 2018, 11:53:05 PM
Wague and Sabaly 19 and 25 respectively and not at top clubs.
Shite.
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2018, 12:04:18 AM
Shite.
Nah both good. Wague especially.
You’d have a 25 yo replacement for Baines and a 19 yo understudy for Coleman, and we increase our much-loved Senegalese contingent by double. Frankly i don’t see the downside.
Post by: TheRam on June 25, 2018, 01:12:35 AM
Nah both good. Wague especially.
You’d have a 25 yo replacement for Baines and a 19 yo understudy for Coleman, and we increase our much-loved Senegalese contingent by double. Frankly i don’t see the downside.
Rather give Robinson and Kenny a go.
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2018, 01:19:48 AM
Rather give Robinson and Kenny a go.
Yes and no
Post by: TheRam on June 25, 2018, 01:33:11 AM
Yes and no
Thoughts on Quintero?
Looks every inch the player we need in the final 3rd.
Post by: Toffee1 on June 25, 2018, 01:37:31 AM
Thoughts on Quintero?
Looks every inch the player we need in the final 3rd.
Very active so far and like the fact that he looks for any opportunity to make a forward pass to the player up front.
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2018, 02:16:51 AM
Thoughts on Quintero?
Looks every inch the player we need in the final 3rd.
Was just coming here to pull my self off over him. How many killer passes does he want to play in this game?
Young banega
P.s barrios the Colombian Kante
Post by: Cozzie on June 25, 2018, 02:21:12 AM
Thoughts on Quintero?
Looks every inch the player we need in the final 3rd.
Id spunk my load if we got him.
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2018, 02:27:20 AM
Id spunk my load if we got him.
Averages 2.4 key passes per 90, the same as silva, hazard and alexis Sanchez did in the prem 2017.
Post by: Shogun on June 25, 2018, 02:29:17 AM
Post by: Cozzie on June 25, 2018, 02:29:39 AM
Post by: TheRam on June 25, 2018, 02:31:20 AM
Post by: GLewis on June 25, 2018, 02:43:23 AM
Not sure he developed physically to make it in Europe.
Post by: Danny on June 25, 2018, 02:45:25 AM
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2018, 03:11:06 AM
Think Quintero was a really big prospect at youth level.
Not sure he developed physically to make it in Europe.
Saw someone say his u20 World Cup was absolutely astonishing, but something hasn’t quite clicked since
Post by: blue slug on June 25, 2018, 03:12:54 AM
Think Quintero was a really big prospect at youth level.
Not sure he developed physically to make it in Europe.
I remember him being at Porto and being highly regarded a few years ago
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 25, 2018, 04:57:23 AM
Need to find a player in his mold.
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2018, 06:35:02 AM
Bit old now to make the transition i think. He is 25 like.
Need to find a player in his mold.
Mason Mount is only 19. Matias Vargas is early 20s.
Ziyech is on like 4+ key passes per 90 for last year 😯
Post by: Free Agent on June 25, 2018, 05:40:32 PM
Post by: blue slug on June 25, 2018, 10:07:50 PM
Post by: sixymack on June 25, 2018, 11:00:30 PM
Post by: Waltzer on June 25, 2018, 11:18:04 PM
I see Josh King is interesting Newcastle United. I have always enjoyed watching him play and think he could add something to our team. Only 26 as well so reaching his peak.
One thing he certainly wouldnt add is goals
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 25, 2018, 11:36:16 PM
I see Josh King is interesting Newcastle United. I have always enjoyed watching him play and think he could add something to our team. Only 26 as well so reaching his peak.I like him
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2018, 12:02:22 AM
Post by: Trowel on June 26, 2018, 12:06:28 AM
The mirror has us after 19 year old attacking mid from RB Salzburg Hannes Wolf, scored 12 last seasonHe's a clever player.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/720x405/p05r9lj6.jpg)
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 26, 2018, 12:19:40 AM
Mason Mount is only 19. Matias Vargas is early 20s.I was on about Quintero sorry!
Ziyech is on like 4+ key passes per 90 for last year 😯
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2018, 12:40:23 AM
I was on about Quintero sorry!
They are my amateur guesses at players who score / assist and do at least 2.0 key passes per 90 < 25!
Mason mount especially, before the hype gets him next year.
Post by: Danny on June 26, 2018, 02:45:11 AM
The mirror has us after 19 year old attacking mid from RB Salzburg Hannes Wolf, scored 12 last season
Any player doing well for Salzburg moves to Leipzig and we won't sell them Lookman so no chance were getting Wolf.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 26, 2018, 03:14:05 AM
Any player doing well for Salzburg moves to Leipzig and we won't sell them Lookman so no chance were getting Wolf.
Is that actually true. Have there been many that have moved between the 2. Surely they'd be on dangerous ground doing that
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2018, 02:19:38 PM
Post by: Ramjam on June 26, 2018, 02:24:21 PM
Could really do with a positive move soon, I'm a few days a way from watching Ross Barkley highlight videos and arguing with you lot that we should re-sign him.Put the bottle away mate
Post by: TheRam on June 26, 2018, 02:55:08 PM
Could really do with a positive move soon, I’m a few days a way from watching Ross Barkley highlight videos and arguing with you lot that we should re-sign him.
Biggest flapper on the site you la.
Post by: TheRam on June 26, 2018, 03:08:26 PM
Is that actually true. Have there been many that have moved between the 2. Surely they'd be on dangerous ground doing that
Been loads that move between all the red bull clubs I think.
City do it as well with their clubs in New York and Melbourne. Aaron moy was actually a Manchester City player when Huddersfield bought him.
It’s a good business model really, if a bit unethical.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 26, 2018, 03:42:30 PM
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2018, 03:45:06 PM
Biggest flapper on the site you la.
Need a hobby
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 26, 2018, 03:45:46 PM
Could really do with a positive move soon, I’m a few days away from watching Ross Barkley highlight videos and arguing with you lot that we should re-sign him.
constantly flapping...why!?
Post by: Macca77 on June 26, 2018, 03:48:35 PM
Could really do with a positive move soon, I’m a few days away from watching Ross Barkley highlight videos and arguing with you lot that we should re-sign him.
You ok hun?
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2018, 04:01:32 PM
constantly flapping...why!?
It was a joke more than anything, train was cancelled and I was bored.
Post by: Danny on June 26, 2018, 04:33:37 PM
Any player doing well for Salzburg moves to Leipzig and we won't sell them Lookman so no chance were getting Wolf.
7 of their current squad including Naby Keita came directly to them from Salzburg, there are also loans and transfers going back the other way as well as players like Kampl who played for Salzburg, went to other teams in Germany but then signed for Leipzig.
They technically buy the players off them so it's not like they move them around for free but I imagine pressure is put on the players in terms of laying out a set path for them.
Post by: TheTone on June 26, 2018, 07:02:42 PM
It was a joke more than anything, train was cancelled and I was bored.
you were on the Lozano express there lid
Post by: blargins on June 26, 2018, 07:05:58 PM
World cup is holding everything up, but who we do and don't sign is not really bothering me this summer at present.
It'll get sorted one way or another, let those who are paid to worry about it, worry about it. I have my own worries to contend with.
Post by: blue slug on June 26, 2018, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: School of Science on June 26, 2018, 10:15:43 PM
Bild saying we are interested in another good old transfer Yarmolenko
That train has derailed.
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on June 26, 2018, 11:31:22 PM
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 27, 2018, 12:45:07 AM
That train has derailed.
He's the Quresma. Swerve him. His train was cancelled and decommissioned.
Post by: blueToffee on June 27, 2018, 12:45:38 AM
The only one I think we were genuinely interested in I've seen linked due to Brands' comments is Lozano, and maybe one of the LB links. The rest seem like the media throwing darts at a board.
Post by: Danny on June 27, 2018, 01:22:33 AM
I want to see players leave before we get anyone in.
World cup is holding everything up, but who we do and don't sign is not really bothering me this summer at present.
It'll get sorted one way or another, let those who are paid to worry about it, worry about it. I have my own worries to contend with.
One of the benefits of not many of our players making it to the world cup, we can move them all on in the next few weeks if we already know they aren't going to be part of the squad.
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 27, 2018, 02:01:58 AM
“My contract with the club continues. But there is nothing wrong with me. I love Turkey. Galatasaray is a big club and will play in the Champions League. They also have a big manager like Fatih Terim. But it is between the clubs, because it is not up to me.”
There's a I'm off but can't go public statement if ever there was one. Good luck Niasse.. You did your best and can't fault you for attitude
Post by: Cozzie on June 27, 2018, 02:27:44 AM
Post by: blargins on June 27, 2018, 02:41:54 AM
Be surprised if Niasse goes given how good he was under Silva at Hull.
Was he that good? He scored 4 goals in 20 games and was on the bench most of the time.
Post by: Gash on June 27, 2018, 02:53:55 AM
Be surprised if Niasse goes given how good he was under Silva at Hull.
I think he'll still want better.
He didn't do that well anyway, didn't score in his first four games so was dropped and eventually scored in his 8th game. Then he had that mad sub appearance when he scored 2 in about 10 minutes then scored one more in 7 and was mainly on the bench. I don't think Silva will rate him as highly as some people think.
Post by: gizzblue on June 27, 2018, 03:22:02 AM
Could really do with a positive move soon, I’m a few days away from watching Ross Barkley highlight videos and arguing with you lot that we should re-sign him.
Nailed on for palace or west ham next year ... or a comfy place in the development squad again .
Post by: Jamokachi on June 27, 2018, 11:50:17 AM
Be surprised if Niasse goes given how good he was under Silva at Hull.
Biggest myth this.
Post by: Cozzie on June 27, 2018, 04:13:02 PM
He fulfilled his role as a daft twat of a sub, the same role hed play for us.
If we can get a top striker in to compliment Tosun, send DCL off on loan for development and have Niasse as 3rd choice I would be ok with that.
Hes shite, granted, but hes unpredictable, perfect to be used as a sub when nothing else is working.
Got no issues selling him like but he could still have his uses here.
Post by: brap2 on June 27, 2018, 05:21:11 PM
I do think we could do with another forward next year.
Post by: ajax_andy on June 27, 2018, 06:09:19 PM
Niasse is truly awful, and still topped our xg chart.
I do think we could do with another forward next year.
The problem with another striker is it would impact on DCL's development.
The problem with not signing one is if Toson gets a bad injury a couple of games in we are relying on DCL again when he's not ready.
It's a tough one, I wonder if there's anyone we could bring in on loan for a year so at least it's only a year of DCL playing a bit part role?
Post by: Bluedylan on June 27, 2018, 06:16:19 PM
The problem with another striker is it would impact on DCL's development.
The problem with not signing one is if Toson gets a bad injury a couple of games in we are relying on DCL again when he's not ready.
It's a tough one, I wonder if there's anyone we could bring in on loan for a year so at least it's only a year of DCL playing a bit part role?
I think we want to be signing another striker of Tosun's quality or better, personally. It's a long season, there's plenty of games to go around, with injuries, suspensions, loss of form, formation changes to accomodate Tosun, DCL and a new striker.
Post by: brap2 on June 27, 2018, 06:24:55 PM
I think we want to be signing another striker of Tosun's quality or better, personally. It's a long season, there's plenty of games to go around, with injuries, suspensions, loss of form, formation changes to accomodate Tosun, DCL and a new striker.
I’ve been thinking a forward of a different type to DCL and Tosun would be good. Someone who can play across the front line with pace and 1v1 dribbling would be fantastic, saves buying two players too.
Post by: blargins on June 27, 2018, 06:27:03 PM
To be honest, Niasse is it. If DCL could match that, he'd be a very decent striker.
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 27, 2018, 06:52:33 PM
DCL will start games only where tosun needs a rest/will be out for a few days i reckon.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 27, 2018, 06:55:11 PM
I've been thinking a forward of a different type to DCL and Tosun would be good. Someone who can play across the front line with pace and 1v1 dribbling would be fantastic, saves buying two players too.Theo says ‘hi’.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 27, 2018, 07:21:58 PM
If Tosun isnt playing, I'd like to see Theo have a couple of games leading the line, and us playing to his strengths.
Say we got our elusive pacey left winger, like a Lozano. The speed of a possible front 3 of Lozano(or whoever) - Walcott - Lookman, with Coleman behind, and even Baines has still got a bit of pace, and a few yards in his old head. That's a fair bit of threat with out and out pace - what defenders fear most. Not only does that add to our attacking strengths, but it forces teams back and makes them not want to go too far forward with defenders in case we counter. I would sooner we spend BIG money on a proper out and out winger with serious pace and goals, than to typically buy 3 or 4 average-to-good players, to relieve 3 or 4 poor-to-average players. Quality not quantity.
Post by: Lxxx on June 27, 2018, 08:31:16 PM
Post by: brap2 on June 27, 2018, 08:37:11 PM
Theo says ‘hi’.
Yeah not a terrible shout and I am looking forward to seeing what he can put up next year.
But he’s 29 and maybe not quite the player he was, or soon to be anyway.
Basically - if we got an offer...
Post by: Juanito on June 27, 2018, 09:32:59 PM
The problem with another striker is it would impact on DCL's development.
The problem with not signing one is if Toson gets a bad injury a couple of games in we are relying on DCL again when he's not ready.
It's a tough one, I wonder if there's anyone we could bring in on loan for a year so at least it's only a year of DCL playing a bit part role?
If we signed another striker it would do DCL a world of good to go on loan at a solid championship side fighting promotion, where he was the main man.
Post by: Waltzer on June 27, 2018, 10:05:21 PM
Post by: smellybum on June 27, 2018, 10:21:48 PM
Post by: D15TIN on June 27, 2018, 11:15:55 PM
I honestly don't think this is an area we need to worry about this season. At least until the winter window anyway. We don't have europe to concern ourselves with this season so there is not really a desperate need. Obviously if a good player becomes available at a decent fee then do the deal. however I would like to see us keep our powder dry on this one and see where we go with DCL. Let Silva and his team have a good look over the season and then make a decision.I think other than GK and RB were basically not good enough in every other position, I think we need 3 or 4 quality signings and get rid of the deadwood
Post by: brap2 on June 27, 2018, 11:50:13 PM
I honestly don't think this is an area we need to worry about this season. At least until the winter window anyway. We don't have europe to concern ourselves with this season so there is not really a desperate need. Obviously if a good player becomes available at a decent fee then do the deal. however I would like to see us keep our powder dry on this one and see where we go with DCL. Let Silva and his team have a good look over the season and then make a decision.
There is that side to it - basically just saying, we are not going to achieve anything next year, so only sign people who are young with a big upside, and only sign in desperate positions.
It’s mean everyone just swallowing 10th- 7th now, but it might mean in another year or two we will be better off without having spunked money & ties ourselves to big wages on people like Walcott and Gylfi who can do a bit now but will likely need replacing shortly.
Post by: Bally on June 28, 2018, 12:05:24 AM
Post by: Ross on June 28, 2018, 12:14:47 AM
Am I the only person who doesn't want DCL going anywhere
No, think he’s past that stage of his career now and offers us a good physical option up front that we lack.
There’s been a mania gripping our fans over the last few seasons about sending players out on loan and but it’s often detrimental to their careers. No clubs more interested in developing our young players more so than Everton and just getting a loan doesn’t automatically guarantee football appearances or player development.
Post by: brap2 on June 28, 2018, 12:19:21 AM
Am I the only person who doesn't want DCL going anywhere
Feel like I’m insane reading the views on DCL here and twitter.
Fuckin well better than some of the slugs we’ve got playing for us now, never mind in the past or youth!
Post by: gizzblue on June 28, 2018, 01:37:54 AM
Post by: Confucius on June 28, 2018, 01:53:02 AM
Post by: gizzblue on June 28, 2018, 01:55:51 AM
Rather Niasse than DCL
If he is willing ,knowing he's gonna be getting less time ....by all means keep him .
Post by: Brownie on June 28, 2018, 01:56:11 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsPeteO/status/1011925366758404098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%231011925366758404098
Post by: Confucius on June 28, 2018, 01:56:50 AM
Anyone fancy a Danish?
https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsPeteO/status/1011925366758404098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%231011925366758404098
Only if it's custard
Post by: Brownie on June 28, 2018, 02:02:15 AM
Only if it's custard
I like your style
Post by: Polledreng on June 28, 2018, 02:04:36 AM
Anyone fancy a Danish?a few years ago I thought he was going to be boss... To slow and only 5th choise CB for Denmark probably say it all
https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsPeteO/status/1011925366758404098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%231011925366758404098
Post by: Brownie on June 28, 2018, 02:19:31 AM
a few years ago I thought he was going to be boss... To slow and only 5th choise CB for Denmark probably say it all
Come on now. When have we ever had a bad experience signing a Danish CB?
Post by: Polledreng on June 28, 2018, 03:51:02 AM
Come on now. When have we ever had a bad experience signing a Danish CB?not sure Krøldrup was a CB ;)
Post by: gizzblue on June 28, 2018, 03:53:17 AM
not sure Krøldrup was a CB ;)
Not sure he was a footballer .......then I saw him at Roma he was boss .
Post by: Polledreng on June 28, 2018, 03:56:47 AM
:Sick:not Roma but he did better in Italy Pretty sure Vestergaard will fail in England (but then I thought Krøldrup would succeed)
Not sure he was a footballer .......then I saw him at Roma he was boss .
Post by: D15TIN on June 28, 2018, 04:06:09 AM
Rather Niasse than DCLMe too, bigger danger, more of a threat to the opposition.
DCL has some good parts to his game, but is a terrible finisher.
Post by: brap2 on June 28, 2018, 05:04:39 AM
I would say however he doesn’t offer enough threat yes, although I’d like to see him in a team that is able to attack, and also see him play 1000+ mins as a forward and not a winger etc.
Post by: GLewis on June 28, 2018, 05:06:19 AM
Post by: brap2 on June 28, 2018, 05:11:51 AM
I actually don’t mind him as a wide forward as long as he’s not expected to be taking people on all the time.
Yes totally agree - look at his assists last year - I just mean if we’re talking about ‘threat’, I.e how many goals he should have been expected to have scored last year, then we should consider the fact he played wide right, wide left, 10, right back...
Here’s the site, dunno how accurate but it doesn’t look a million miles off?
https://understat.com/team/Everton/2017
Post by: Shogun on June 28, 2018, 05:22:56 AM
Post by: Brownie on June 28, 2018, 05:48:22 AM
Post by: brap2 on June 28, 2018, 03:45:30 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ante-rebic-evertons-transfer-radar-12807550
Not too impressed.
Badelj, Brozovic or Kovacic needed
Post by: Jamokachi on June 28, 2018, 04:52:26 PM
Rather Niasse than DCL
(https://media.tenor.com/images/f7354b8c66dcf774a0cd75d1806e0d56/tenor.gif)
Post by: Macca77 on June 28, 2018, 04:59:21 PM
Post by: Ross on June 28, 2018, 05:18:57 PM
I still don't get Niasse
What’s to get (or miss) about him?
Niasse on average gets a goal every 193 minutes in this league, pretty simple really.
Tosun who’s widely regarded as a good finisher gets a goal every 198 minutes.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 28, 2018, 05:19:44 PM
What’s to get (or miss) about him?
Niasse on average gets a goal every 193 minutes in this league, pretty simple really.
Tosun who’s widely regarded as a good finisher gets a goal every 198 minutes.
Football's more than just facts and figures, divorced of any context, though eh?
Post by: Ross on June 28, 2018, 05:21:55 PM
Football's more than just facts and figures, divorced of any context, though eh?
He’s a out and out goalscorer plain and simple, there’s your context.
Post by: Jamokachi on June 28, 2018, 05:22:44 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on June 28, 2018, 05:25:11 PM
He’s a out and out goalscorer plain and simple, there’s your context.
I don't dislike him. Like pretty much all of us, I respect his attitude and the way he's knuckled down and contributed. But surely if we could get a better player, which I don't think should be very difficult, you'd want to?
Post by: Macca77 on June 28, 2018, 05:28:05 PM
What’s to get (or miss) about him?
Niasse on average gets a goal every 193 minutes in this league, pretty simple really.
Tosun who’s widely regarded as a good finisher gets a goal every 198 minutes.
Sell him
Post by: Ross on June 28, 2018, 05:29:10 PM
I don't dislike him. Like pretty much all of us, I respect his attitude and the way he's knuckled down and contributed. But surely if we could get a better player, which I don't think should be very difficult, you'd want to?
Every football fan wants better players for their team so of course.
But do think we’ll find a better back up goalscorer who’s happy to rotate, or more likely, play second fiddle to Tosun if he’s got a better goalscoring record?
Post by: Toddacelli on June 28, 2018, 05:31:31 PM
Yes totally agree - look at his assists last year - I just mean if we’re talking about ‘threat’, I.e how many goals he should have been expected to have scored last year, then we should consider the fact he played wide right, wide left, 10, right back...
Here’s the site, dunno how accurate but it doesn’t look a million miles off?
https://understat.com/team/Everton/2017
the fuck kind of fuckery is this?
(https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015315/rs_500x253-150415095546-tumblr_m9gskcDwD51qihniyo1_500.gif?fit=inside|900:auto&output-quality=90)
Post by: Ramjam on June 28, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
Post by: Waltzer on June 28, 2018, 05:32:36 PM
What’s to get (or miss) about him?
Niasse on average gets a goal every 193 minutes in this league, pretty simple really.
Tosun who’s widely regarded as a good finisher gets a goal every 198 minutes.
DCL 1 goal every 263 minutes
Post by: Ramjam on June 28, 2018, 05:33:28 PM
DCL 1 goal every 263 minutesOops
Post by: Ross on June 28, 2018, 05:34:31 PM
DCL 1 goal every 263 minutes
Young kid in a break through season being played all over the place, hardly surprising he’s not the finished article is it.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 28, 2018, 05:35:02 PM
Every football fan wants better players for their team so of course.
But do think we’ll find a better back up goalscorer who’s happy to rotate, or more likely, play second fiddle to Tosun if he’s got a better goalscoring record?
Yes. I'm certain we could. I do take your point, and it can be hard to keep players happy.
Whoever it was would have to fight it out with Tosun for the 1st choice, and if they played and trained better than Tosun, then Tosun drops to the bench. It should be a meritocracy. Tosun's not a guaranteed starter.
There might be games where we go for 2 up top. We might sign a striker who can also play wide in certain games. Tosun could get a 6 month injury tomorrow. Imagine that, and then you're just left with Niasse and DCL. Dude, we need better than Niasse, as well as he's acquitted himself given his limitations.
Post by: Ross on June 28, 2018, 05:39:49 PM
Yes. I'm certain we could. I do take your point, and it can be hard to keep players happy.
Whoever it was would have to fight it out with Tosun for the 1st choice, and if they played and trained better than Tosun, then Tosun drops to the bench. It should be a meritocracy. Tosun's not a guaranteed starter.
There might be games where we go for 2 up top. We might sign a striker who can also play wide in certain games. Tosun could get a 6 month injury tomorrow. Imagine that, and then you're just left with Niasse and DCL. Dude, we need better than Niasse, as well as he's acquitted himself given his limitations.
Just out of interest who’d you have to replace him?
I realise it’s not your job and all that, but if these goalscorers with better records are so abundant a few names must pop up surely?
Bearing in mind of course we’ve got a limited budget and multiple gaps in the squad that need filling.
Post by: TheRam on June 28, 2018, 05:40:44 PM
Yes. I'm certain we could. I do take your point, and it can be hard to keep players happy.
Whoever it was would have to fight it out with Tosun for the 1st choice, and if they played and trained better than Tosun, then Tosun drops to the bench. It should be a meritocracy. Tosun's not a guaranteed starter.
There might be games where we go for 2 up top. We might sign a striker who can also play wide in certain games. Tosun could get a 6 month injury tomorrow. Imagine that, and then you're just left with Niasse and DCL. Dude, we need better than Niasse, as well as he's acquitted himself given his limitations.
Willing to go on record saying if we do replace Niasse, his replacement wont get as many goals as Niasse did last season.
Post by: Bluedylan on June 28, 2018, 05:45:37 PM
Just out of interest who’d you have to replace him?
I realise it’s not your job and all that, but if these goalscorers with better records are so abundant a few names must pop up surely?
Bearing in mind of course we’ve got a limited budget and multiple gaps in the squad that need filling.
I won't go through a long list of names, and I do take the point that you have to keep people happy, but I'm not saying we should sign a 3rd choice striker who is happy with 10-15 games, like Niasse.
I think we should sign another 1st choice/compete with Tosun level striker, and then DCL becomes your third choice striker. You need options.
Post by: Waltzer on June 28, 2018, 05:47:01 PM
Young kid in a break through season being played all over the place, hardly surprising he’s not the finished article is it.
Dont know what age has to do with it really, if hes good enough hes old enough as the old adage goes? I feel for him and think he did admirably last season given his skillset, I just dont think (hope) the squad will be as weak this year in positions where he would play cause he isnt ready so a move would probably help his development?
Post by: Ross on June 28, 2018, 06:13:56 PM
I won't go through a long list of names, and I do take the point that you have to keep people happy, but I'm not saying we should sign a 3rd choice striker who is happy with 10-15 games, like Niasse.
I think we should sign another 1st choice/compete with Tosun level striker, and then DCL becomes your third choice striker. You need options.
We’ve got a better back up than most have as first choice, even the likes of Spurs or the Shite don’t have a second striker with a record better than their main man.
You wouldn’t say we go out and buy Butland to give Pickford competition or incase he gets injured would you. This is about budget and necessity.
Tosun is clearly our main forward and Niasse and DCL are vying for games as his understudy or worst case his replacement.
Dont know what age has to do with it really, if hes good enough hes old enough as the old adage goes? I feel for him and think he did admirably last season given his skillset, I just dont think (hope) the squad will be as weak this year in positions where he would play cause he isnt ready so a move would probably help his development?
I don’t see us buying a centreforward this window given the urgency elsewhere in the squad and I think he’s likely to get as much, if not more, of an opportunity under Silva to impress as the last couple of managers gave him. It’s down to DCL if he takes them then, but I don’t think it serves us any good shipping him out to play second fiddle to someone else or drop down a division.
Post by: hannu on June 28, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
DCL 1 goal every 263 minutes
1 in 2.9 its not the worst we have ever had
Post by: brap2 on June 28, 2018, 06:52:16 PM
Niasse did score a couple of flukes that helped out his average stats, that won’t happen all the time, that’s reserved for Harry Kane
Weirdly enough he seems to repeat the feat, did it in Russia, does it here - chasing keepers and defenders down and forcing errors.
Fair play to him like I think it is actually a sort of skill.
Post by: Lxxx on June 28, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
I won't go through a long list of names, and I do take the point that you have to keep people happy, but I'm not saying we should sign a 3rd choice striker who is happy with 10-15 games, like Niasse.
I think we should sign another 1st choice/compete with Tosun level striker, and then DCL becomes your third choice striker. You need options.
It's a conundrum as in an ideal world we would sign another first team ready striker and be in enough competitions to need four strikers.
I take the point Niasse isn't at the level we need but if we're looking for fresh options off the bench to get you a goal then although you'd like to see DCL progress and improve Niasse would be your go to man. In the derby we needed fresh legs up top but if Niasse gets the chance DCL had it hits the back of the net, somehow, and we win the game. Which then leads us onto a more general point of do we take the long term view and invest the time and effort in DCL in the hope he becomes more clinical, notwithstanding the fact he might miss a few chances and cost us points along the way.
It's strange as Niasse is completely unorthodox, is unlikely to improve and half the time he looks like a Sunday league throwback but he's effective. He really shouldn't be succeeding at this level but he does. Maybe because he does things completely off the cuff so no-one is sure what/where he'll pop up next.
Post by: brap2 on June 28, 2018, 07:15:29 PM
Post by: GLewis on June 28, 2018, 07:28:39 PM
If next season niasse gets like 1000 minutes we’ve failed in our recruitment.
And while he’s not on massive wages, £50k can still be useful.
If he’s barely playing then it’s got to be considered, given his age and not likely to improve, that we’d be better off invested elsewhere
Post by: Goaljira on June 28, 2018, 07:30:20 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 28, 2018, 07:56:05 PM
Post by: Gash on June 28, 2018, 08:39:58 PM
Willing to go on record saying if we do replace Niasse, his replacement wont get as many goals as Niasse did last season.
If that's the case then we've not done our homework properly if a replacement scores less than 9 goals or only plays 1000 minutes.
Post by: Goaljira on June 28, 2018, 09:59:52 PM
Ideally, Batshuayi would be the 1B striker (for me).
He's not leaving Chelsea because he wants first team football to come to us and be our second choice, is he?
Post by: blueToffee on June 28, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
He's not leaving Chelsea because he wants first team football to come to us and be our second choice, is he?
He'd get plenty of time here.
Post by: TheRam on June 28, 2018, 10:57:32 PM
Should start seeing some movement now.
Can’t say any of those will be missed. Three players who all threw the towel in at some point last season.
Post by: Free Agent on June 28, 2018, 10:59:22 PM
Everton are set to continue the clear-out of their squad. Morgan Schneiderlin is set to leave the club and sign for Marseille, Stoke City are interested in signing Ashley Williams and West Ham United are interested in signing Yannick Bolasie. (Source: Guardian)
Should start seeing some movement now.
Can’t say any of those will be missed. Three players who all threw the towel in at some point last season.
First time I’m happy West Ham are mentioned in the same sentence as us
Post by: Macca77 on June 28, 2018, 11:06:09 PM
Post by: brap2 on June 29, 2018, 02:45:00 AM
Everton are set to continue the clear-out of their squad. Morgan Schneiderlin is set to leave the club and sign for Marseille, Stoke City are interested in signing Ashley Williams and West Ham United are interested in signing Yannick Bolasie. (Source: Guardian)
Should start seeing some movement now.
Can’t say any of those will be missed. Three players who all threw the towel in at some point last season.
Did Bolasie?
Also - I know he’s at a bad age but Danny rose is a great little player.
Post by: dunkster on June 29, 2018, 03:03:25 AM
Post by: howard1334 on June 29, 2018, 03:34:10 AM
If that's the case then we've not done our homework properly if a replacement scores less than 9 goals or only plays 1000 minutes.
Any replacement for Niasse is probably going to play second fiddle to Cenk, and if that is the case, then they will be very hard pressed to get more than 9 goals. Niasse's strike rate was incredibly good this past season.
Post by: howard1334 on June 29, 2018, 03:35:48 AM
Everton are set to continue the clear-out of their squad. Morgan Schneiderlin is set to leave the club and sign for Marseille, Stoke City are interested in signing Ashley Williams and West Ham United are interested in signing Yannick Bolasie. (Source: Guardian)
Should start seeing some movement now.
Can’t say any of those will be missed. Three players who all threw the towel in at some point last season.
I dont think that Bolasie threw in the towel -- i think he just wasn't good enough. Prior to the injury he showed some worth but he was not the same this year.
Post by: Shogun on June 29, 2018, 03:37:44 AM
Spends 80 minutes of the match on his arse.
Post by: Gash on June 29, 2018, 04:06:33 AM
Any replacement for Niasse is probably going to play second fiddle to Cenk, and if that is the case, then they will be very hard pressed to get more than 9 goals. Niasse's strike rate was incredibly good this past season.
Nah, any replacement would be brought in to put pressure on Tosun or even take his place rather than just make the odd cameo and chip in some goals. Strikers probably more than any other position need kept on their toes so I'd expect any player brought in to be a decent upgrade on Niasse.
Post by: Silas on June 29, 2018, 04:13:26 AM
Post by: brap2 on June 29, 2018, 05:16:44 AM
Rumour Garbutts on his way out finally as well. Some wages shipping out at this rate
Flying the contract man out to Ocean Beach are we, sign this and fuck off luke la
Post by: howard1334 on June 29, 2018, 08:07:54 AM
Nah, any replacement would be brought in to put pressure on Tosun or even take his place rather than just make the odd cameo and chip in some goals. Strikers probably more than any other position need kept on their toes so I'd expect any player brought in to be a decent upgrade on Niasse.
Over the past decade, I am not sure we have actually had two strikers of the sort you are describing at the same time, so I would not be so quick too assume it will be happening. And, in case you need reminding, Niasse had the 9th best goals/90 rate in the Prem last season at .65 goals/90 mins, so actually improving on his strike rate through a replacement will be very difficult.
Genuine question, when was the last time we had two strikers scoring 10+ goals in a season?
Post by: Mac934 on June 29, 2018, 10:16:26 AM
Post by: Gash on June 29, 2018, 01:33:14 PM
Genuine question, when was the last time we had two strikers scoring 10+ goals in a season?
We've never had the money in the past though have we. I'd guess there was possibly a time when a combo of Yakubu, Cahill, Fellaini or Beckford all got double figures in a season but I can't be bothered looking.
Post by: Hawkandro on June 29, 2018, 02:18:02 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 29, 2018, 02:20:55 PM
But for 2 out and out strikers, in all comps you have Saha & Beckford in 2010/11, who got 10 apiece.
Just league goals you have to go back to 2002/03 when Campbell & Radzinski got 11 each in the league (and a 3rd striker, Rooney, got 6). They got 13 & 11 in all comps respectively.
Campbell (12) & Barmby (10) in all comps 99-00
Ferguson (11) & Speed (11) in all comps 96-97
Kanchelskis (16) & Stuart (14) in all comps 95-96
Cottee (19) & Rideout (12) in all comps 93-94
Innaugral season of the premier league is the second time you come across 2 strikers getting 10+ in the league alone With Cottee (12) & Beardsley (10)
Post by: Macca77 on June 29, 2018, 02:50:32 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 29, 2018, 02:56:11 PM
Regarding a striker; any hipsters tell me how Dolberg did last season? He was hyped up to buggery but it all seems to have gone quiet on that one. Dembele could be another option too.
Dolberg got 9 in 30 for Ajax, he's in the WC squad but I think even Cornelius (shit at Cardiff briefly) is getting on before him
Post by: TheRam on June 29, 2018, 03:00:30 PM
Flying the contract man out to Ocean Beach are we, sign this and fuck off luke la
Haha
Always see this biff revving his grim royal blue Range Rover down old hall street on the way to the laundrettes.
Post by: sam of the south on June 29, 2018, 03:07:32 PM
Haha
Always see this biff revving his grim royal blue Range Rover down old hall street on the way to the laundrettes.
Garbutt or Contract Dave?
Post by: gizzblue on June 29, 2018, 04:14:53 PM
Don’t like Danny Rose.
Spends 80 minutes of the match on his arse.
Absolutely loves to break our attack up by turning and playing a ball back when there are acres of space in front too ....useless at attacking .
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 29, 2018, 06:20:19 PM
Post by: Danny on June 29, 2018, 06:46:23 PM
If we can get Batshuayi we should, Tosun would still have a huge part to play.
Post by: Waltzer on June 29, 2018, 07:00:17 PM
I really rate Tosun but I’m a big believer in signing starters and the old starters becoming subs if the new player is good enough.
If we can get Batshuayi we should, Tosun would still have a huge part to play.
I agree and thats why im worried about our transfer policy this season as we seem to be selling all of our first team players and leaving behind those that werent good enough to challenge them, weve already said we wont replace like for like with regards to numbers, so how are we going to strengthen our squad, which was pretty weak last season? I also dont know what other teams sells their leading goalscorer 2 seasons on a trot and doesnt have a replacement in before!
Post by: Goaljira on June 29, 2018, 07:13:08 PM
I agree and thats why im worried about our transfer policy this season as we seem to be selling all of our first team players and leaving behind those that werent good enough to challenge them, weve already said we wont replace like for like with regards to numbers, so how are we going to strengthen our squad, which was pretty weak last season? I also dont know what other teams sells their leading goalscorer 2 seasons on a trot and doesnt have a replacement in before!
Rooney temporarily replaced Lukaku after we failed to bring in someone last summer. Rooney was replaced as a striker in January, hence why he didn't play striker after that point, therefore Lukaku was replaced in January. Why would you now need to replace someone who's already been replaced?
Post by: Gash on June 29, 2018, 07:21:38 PM
I agree and thats why im worried about our transfer policy this season as we seem to be selling all of our first team players
Who all have we sold? Anyone that goes will go because the new DOF and manager don't see them in their plans and I'm perfectly comfortable with that.
I also dont know what other teams sells their leading goalscorer 2 seasons on a trot and doesnt have a replacement in before!
We were never going to keep Lukaku and even as a fan of Rooney and was happy he came back I think it's pretty clear that he didn't have much left in him at this level and was going to be surplus to requirement so getting his £150k a week wages off the books is good business. You've also no idea whether we have anyone lined up but even if we don't, losing Rooney won't have a huge impact on things.
We've a new management team in who will want to assess the squad and no doubt have their own players in mind but will also be mindful that we shouldn't go through another messy summer like last year. There's also a world cup going on which usually slows a summer window down a bit and not many other clubs are making big moves at the moment. People need to stop stressing, we're going through another summer of change, only this time the signs are we're going to do it in a professional, methodical manner rather than just panic and throw money around. We need to clear out players before we can then "strengthen our squad" again people are just going have to accept that and be patient.
Post by: Macca77 on June 29, 2018, 07:40:50 PM
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 29, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
I'm not a flapper but would like to see some concrete stuff on incomings fairly soon like.
Post by: Waltzer on June 29, 2018, 08:12:01 PM
Get rid of the shite, then we strengthen, it's not that hard to understand is it
But the shite you're referring to played a large part in us finishing 8th, so are they really that shite? The names mentioned to be on the way out (or already out) all played significant parts in where we finished. Brands stated we are reducing numbers so removing 7 members of the first team squad and replacing them with 3 or 4 doesnt make us better. I appreciate its hypothetical as it cant really be judged until the window closes, but im starting to read more into his 'we need to sell to buy' comment
Post by: blue slug on June 29, 2018, 08:13:23 PM
Post by: gizzblue on June 29, 2018, 08:18:52 PM
If the window shuts and we're still without those three areas then I would worry but not till then ....Marco & Marcel will be all over it .
Or we bring through the kids and use Holgate as CB ...either way I have huge faith in the manager and Dof.
Post by: Gash on June 29, 2018, 08:22:42 PM
I appreciate its hypothetical as it cant really be judged until the window closes, but im starting to read more into his 'we need to sell to buy' comment
People always will try to read too much into it given our previous hand to mouth existence but Brands and Silva both explained the reasoning for it. We have far too big a squad so we need to clear out people who are not going to be involved before we can recruit other players to improve the squad. It's not because we have to financially but because it makes good business sense to have a smaller squad and also easier for the manager to manage the players. I really don't see how people are struggling to understand that, it makes perfect sense.
Post by: Lxxx on June 29, 2018, 08:27:39 PM
Post by: Goaljira on June 29, 2018, 09:05:20 PM
But the shite you're referring to played a large part in us finishing 8th, so are they really that shite? The names mentioned to be on the way out (or already out) all played significant parts in where we finished. Brands stated we are reducing numbers so removing 7 members of the first team squad and replacing them with 3 or 4 doesnt make us better. I appreciate its hypothetical as it cant really be judged until the window closes, but im starting to read more into his 'we need to sell to buy' comment
How can you categorically state that 3 or 4 unnamed players won't make us better? We need to sell, not sell to buy. We could sell, sell and sell some more and still finish 7-9th without buying anyone at all with a manager who actually tries to play football.
Post by: TheRam on June 29, 2018, 09:35:26 PM
Why are people having such a hard time understanding that a lot of players need to get off the books.
It’s not sell to buy. It’s sell before you buy because there’s no room to bring players in before we shift a good few of them.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 29, 2018, 09:48:24 PM
We have a squad of 38 first team players and an astronomical wage bill that isn’t sustainable.
Why are people having such a hard time understanding that a lot of players need to get off the books.
It’s not sell to buy. It’s sell before you buy because there’s no room to bring players in before we shift a good few of them.
The odd thing is it’s not players anyone is desperate to keep anyway. It’s absolutely a positive to move out overpriced and underperforming team members
I’m not worried in the slightest. It won’t be like last season when we just bought everyone in our price range and refused to take no for an answer but that’s good. Some value. So thought in what we are doing. Unfortunately it’s going to take a few windows to sort it all but shifting some shite and signing 2 or 3 exciting players will be a very good start
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 29, 2018, 09:51:14 PM
Imo, I've liked what I've seen of Tosun so far, and I think with the right coaching, and some actual attacking play I reckon he would do really well. If you consider how well he has done under absolute shite management and tactics, then we will surely see improvement upon this with a decent manager and some rare attacking play and tactical positioning and attacking down the wings.
If we can replace a dozen wastes of space, or players who dont put 100% effort in, and bring in 3 or 4 decent players - like for example "reasonably" gettable targets, Lozano and Tierney down the left, and for example a Tarkovski at the back, and a Loftus-Cheek in the middle, surely that is a no-brainer?
Yes, each one of those players would cost us 3 or 4 existing second stringers and probably then some, but imo it would improve us immensely. If people cant get their heads around that - maybe losing 12 players to get 4, then they need to have a good word with themselves - we aint Chelsea, or City...
Well... not yet anyway ;)
Post by: blargins on June 29, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
And Rooney wasn't really that important a player since March anyhow.
Post by: Fynci on June 29, 2018, 10:23:00 PM
I really rate Tosun but I'm a big believer in signing starters and the old starters becoming subs if the new player is good enough.
If we can get Batshuayi we should, Tosun would still have a huge part to play.
Every time I have seen Batshuayi he has been an absolute donkey. Did you see him try to kick the ball back into the net after Belgium scored last night?! Hilarious. He would be an overpriced flop here.
Post by: Fynci on June 29, 2018, 10:24:07 PM
Post by: D15TIN on June 29, 2018, 10:24:53 PM
Post by: Lxxx on June 29, 2018, 10:30:22 PM
ive just read that Tosun had a better shot conversion rate than harry kane last season, give him more chances next season and he'll get decent figures next season. Capable of getting 15+
We don’t really have creative players who are capable of feeding him though. Sig is more of a finisher of moves, Walcott similarly. Lookman looks like a talented individual player.
I’m hoping a new system and way of playing might bring it all together better, in the absence of buying in any creativity.
Post by: blue1948 on June 29, 2018, 10:30:34 PM
But the shite you're referring to played a large part in us finishing 8th, so are they really that shite? The names mentioned to be on the way out (or already out) all played significant parts in where we finished. Brands stated we are reducing numbers so removing 7 members of the first team squad and replacing them with 3 or 4 doesnt make us better. I appreciate its hypothetical as it cant really be judged until the window closes, but im starting to read more into his 'we need to sell to buy' commentI can understand some of your argument but you must realise that the sales and purchases are when it is possible and not in any orderly fashion ,although that really would be nice.
Post by: howard1334 on June 30, 2018, 01:46:40 AM
I agree and thats why im worried about our transfer policy this season as we seem to be selling all of our first team players and leaving behind those that werent good enough to challenge them, weve already said we wont replace like for like with regards to numbers, so how are we going to strengthen our squad, which was pretty weak last season? I also dont know what other teams sells their leading goalscorer 2 seasons on a trot and doesnt have a replacement in before!
Huh? So far, we have only sold one regular starter from this past season: Rooney. And my personal opinion is that he clearly did not deserve to start as frequently as he did but got the nod b/c of who he is, rather than his remaining ability.
Post by: howard1334 on June 30, 2018, 01:51:42 AM
Every time I have seen Batshuayi he has been an absolute donkey. Did you see him try to kick the ball back into the net after Belgium scored last night?! Hilarious. He would be an overpriced flop here.
Pretty clearly untrue. His strike rate has been solid everywhere he has been. And he especially impressed for Dortmund last season, where he hit 7 in 10 league games.
Post by: blue slug on June 30, 2018, 01:51:58 AM
Post by: Trowel on June 30, 2018, 03:54:09 AM
https://twitter.com/scoutsattending/status/1012798448674983936
Post by: Bluedylan on June 30, 2018, 03:59:59 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 30, 2018, 04:01:30 AM
Is there a Vida thread? €18m bid.
https://twitter.com/scoutsattending/status/1012798448674983936
Thought he was shite against Argentina. Made 2 or 3 daft errors
Post by: sixymack on June 30, 2018, 04:23:44 AM
Post by: blue slug on June 30, 2018, 04:25:14 AM
29 years old, was signed by Besiktas on a free transfer. Do not know much about him. https://www.transfermarkt.com/domagoj-vida/profil/spieler/46083
He hasn’t even been getting in their starting 11
Post by: brap2 on June 30, 2018, 04:50:42 AM
Tried watching a YouTube vid and I’ll be honest it was exactly like funes mori’s - scoring headers and showing pashun.
No defensive actions or ball playing at all.
Post by: GLewis on June 30, 2018, 04:56:55 AM
Im choosing not to believe this one.
:)
Post by: sixymack on June 30, 2018, 06:00:56 AM
Post by: Goaljira on June 30, 2018, 06:17:35 AM
What about a cheeky loan to buy offer to bring Ross Barkley back home? I think he could thrive under Silva if fully fit.
No.
Post by: dunkster on June 30, 2018, 06:36:07 AM
What about a cheeky loan to buy offer to bring Ross Barkley back home? I think he could thrive under Silva if fully fit.
Fook no...let that cunt rot
Post by: brap2 on June 30, 2018, 06:41:36 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 30, 2018, 11:31:22 AM
What about a cheeky loan to buy offer to bring Ross Barkley back home? I think he could thrive under Silva if fully fit.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.webp)
Post by: Free Agent on June 30, 2018, 12:42:50 PM
Fuck no, please no
Post by: kramer0 on June 30, 2018, 01:50:09 PM
Let us transfer speculate in peace, you monster.
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 30, 2018, 04:28:23 PM
Post by: Free Agent on June 30, 2018, 04:58:29 PM
Id be more up for Vida if he didnt have the worst haircut ive ever seen a footballer have.His defending is worse than his haircut.
There are better and younger defenders in the Croatia WC squad. We should not be looking at Vida
Post by: Fynci on June 30, 2018, 05:01:36 PM
Id be more up for Vida if he didnt have the worst haircut ive ever seen a footballer have.
He looks like Don from People of Earth....
(https://unobtainium13.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/poelotr.jpg)
Post by: Fynci on June 30, 2018, 05:02:53 PM
Pretty clearly untrue. His strike rate has been solid everywhere he has been. And he especially impressed for Dortmund last season, where he hit 7 in 10 league games.
Curious, how many shots did it take to get those 7....
Post by: gizzblue on July 01, 2018, 02:18:07 AM
Id be more up for Vida if he didnt have the worst haircut ive ever seen a footballer have.
Diego Laxallt of Uruguay says hi from his corn rows lolol
Post by: howard1334 on July 01, 2018, 02:54:18 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 01, 2018, 02:55:57 AM
I think we should go in for this Mbappe fella. He seems totally obtainable and decent.
There were 1 or 2 suggestions for him last summer. It’s hard being a blue sometimes but for them that expect Simeone and Mbappa it must be hell
Post by: howard1334 on July 01, 2018, 02:58:38 AM
There were 1 or 2 suggestions for him last summer. It’s hard being a blue sometimes but for them that expect Simeone and Mbappa it must be hell
Actually? He was already considered one of the best, if not the best, teenage prospects.
Post by: Trowel on July 01, 2018, 02:59:24 AM
Diego Laxallt of Uruguay says hi from his corn rows lololCracking player though.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 01, 2018, 04:17:23 AM
Actually? He was already considered one of the best, if not the best, teenage prospects.
Yeah people wanted us to go big and sign him to replace lukaku. It wasn’t too many. No more ridiculous than that someone shouts or even koke this summer
Post by: Brownie on July 01, 2018, 05:32:59 AM
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/he-has-another-deal-elsewhere-ajax-boss-confirms-ziyechs/xg40ba6vswnv11mxo523nnnsf
Post by: Bluedylan on July 01, 2018, 05:33:49 AM
Tenuous I know
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/he-has-another-deal-elsewhere-ajax-boss-confirms-ziyechs/xg40ba6vswnv11mxo523nnnsf
Thought it had already been pretty much announced as Roma.
Post by: Danny on July 01, 2018, 05:33:54 AM
Tierney would be an incredible investment in the long term, also I fucking love a Scottish Everton player, it's been a while since we've had a decent one.
Post by: Brownie on July 01, 2018, 05:40:19 AM
Thought it had already been pretty much announced as Roma.
Who knows? Not been following it much
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 01, 2018, 06:34:04 AM
Post by: plowman2 on July 01, 2018, 03:45:50 PM
Thought it had already been pretty much announced as Roma.d
Supposdly fell through last week with Rome. Said he'd taken too long to decide!
Post by: Free Agent on July 01, 2018, 04:43:09 PM
That Yerry Mina does look good
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/01/world-cup-players-premier-league-colombia (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/01/world-cup-players-premier-league-colombia)
Post by: pjk on July 01, 2018, 05:20:28 PM
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 01, 2018, 05:20:41 PM
Nice article.He wouldnt even give us a sniff mate.
That Yerry Mina does look good
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/01/world-cup-players-premier-league-colombia (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/01/world-cup-players-premier-league-colombia)
Post by: Macca77 on July 02, 2018, 03:38:01 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 02, 2018, 06:48:20 PM
Players are back for pre season training today, so one would expect us to start strengthening pretty soon.
and running
and ball kicking
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 03, 2018, 02:12:28 AM
Post by: mikey_blue on July 03, 2018, 02:24:07 AM
Judging by some of the football Japan are playing at the moment we should explore their players... Killing Belgium at the moment.
Playing some great football here.
Saying that, it’s not like we haven’t seen shit teams look like Barcelona when why’re against a Roberto Martinez team.
Post by: Brownie on July 03, 2018, 02:25:15 AM
Post by: blue slug on July 03, 2018, 02:27:43 AM
Wrong thread
Post by: Makis on July 03, 2018, 03:29:03 AM
Judging by some of the football Japan are playing at the moment we should explore their players... Killing Belgium at the moment.Most of them are over the hill. Average age of the squad is 28 and I think all their best players are over. Inui who I've been impressed with is 30. Kagawa is 29. Yoshida is 29. Osako is 28. Honda 32. Hasebe 34. Haraguchi and Yamaguchi are both 27, mind, and Shibasaki 26.
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 03, 2018, 03:55:10 AM
Most of them are over the hill. Average age of the squad is 28 and I think all their best players are over. Inui who I've been impressed with is 30. Kagawa is 29. Yoshida is 29. Osako is 28. Honda 32. Hasebe 34. Haraguchi and Yamaguchi are both 27, mind, and Shibasaki 26.
They still played good football and we've paid good money for players that old or older.
Post by: Makis on July 03, 2018, 04:11:16 AM
They still played good football and we've paid good money for players that old or older.Yes, but they don't necessary represent good value for money, especially now.
Post by: Brownie on July 03, 2018, 04:15:12 PM
http://www.gazzamercato.it/calciomercato/inter-per-joao-mario-spuntano-everton-e-bournemouth/
Post by: Waltzer on July 03, 2018, 04:28:54 PM
Jaoa Mario anyone?
http://www.gazzamercato.it/calciomercato/inter-per-joao-mario-spuntano-everton-e-bournemouth/
Wait for the Klaassen swap rumours plus a bit of cash, he seems to get mentioned at some point with every apparent midfield target
Post by: Goaljira on July 03, 2018, 07:14:56 PM
Jaoa Mario anyone?
http://www.gazzamercato.it/calciomercato/inter-per-joao-mario-spuntano-everton-e-bournemouth/
Please let this be one of their made up wild shouts. 100% not what we need.
Post by: D15TIN on July 03, 2018, 08:29:33 PM
Jaoa Mario anyone?He's crap
http://www.gazzamercato.it/calciomercato/inter-per-joao-mario-spuntano-everton-e-bournemouth/
Post by: Faceatthefence on July 04, 2018, 06:29:57 AM
Post by: Jamokachi on July 04, 2018, 07:34:30 AM
Looks like Ramy Bensabaini is on our radar,couple of early editions reporting he looks like being our first signing?
links?
Post by: Thomas on July 04, 2018, 07:34:59 AM
Post by: Ramjam on July 04, 2018, 07:38:47 AM
Post by: Thomas on July 04, 2018, 08:18:42 AM
Lookman ent going anywhere
Is there any Centre Halfs who can actually play a bit but who are also strong characters who we would actually sign?
Mawson/Lascelles/Tarwkowsi (Spelling?) all seem a bit Michael Keane to me. Hopefully Brands has a good list of players who aren't on other clubs radar. As previously discussed for me need a top drawer LB, CB and above all else someone who can play CM who can defend/attack. Possibly cover for Cenk as well.
Post by: Ramjam on July 04, 2018, 08:32:06 AM
Post by: Thomas on July 04, 2018, 08:34:32 AM
A couple of those Colombians were rock solid at the back, good centre half’s are hard to find, would like to see us sign Alderwield from Spurs.
True but we tried the South America CB before and that ended up with someone who liked to slap his chest and enjoy BBQs in Winter for his instagram followers to enjoy and so Meet Steakhouse (Argentinian) off James Street could get a free plug....
Post by: sixymack on July 04, 2018, 08:58:29 AM
Suprised no one has mentioned Boufal as a possible signing. Anyone who has pissed of Mark Hughes is surely worth a shout lol. Boufal on the left and Walcott on the right could be devastating.
Post by: Thomas on July 04, 2018, 09:04:29 AM
Suprised no one has mentioned Boufal as a possible signing. Anyone who has pissed of Mark Hughes is surely worth a shout lol. Boufal on the left and Walcott on the right could be devastating.
He looks good. Especially interesting as they have just sold Tadic so they seem in need of money.
Post by: Ramjam on July 04, 2018, 09:05:55 AM
Post by: mikey_blue on July 05, 2018, 02:31:28 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on July 05, 2018, 02:40:46 AM
Suprised no one has mentioned Boufal as a possible signing. Anyone who has pissed of Mark Hughes is surely worth a shout lol. Boufal on the left and Walcott on the right could be devastating.
Does something miraculous every 15 games, and then goes back to being distinctly underwhelming.
Post by: D15TIN on July 05, 2018, 03:11:28 AM
I'd take a look at Lamina from Saints.or Romeu
Post by: Waltzer on July 05, 2018, 03:20:01 AM
Wait for the Klaassen swap rumours plus a bit of cash, he seems to get mentioned at some point with every apparent midfield targetHa, how predictable..
Everton have reportedly joined the race to sign Inter Milan playmaker Joao Mario with West Ham United yet to make his loan deal a permanent one - which has seen the Portuguese World Cup star return to Italy.
Everton could prove a tantalising option to Mario, after working with new Toffees boss Marco Silva at Sporting. But the Toffees do boast what could prove to be a trump card in the race to sign Mario.
Indeed, Inter are interested in Toffees flop Davy Klaassen, according to TuttoMercatoWeb in April, after the Holland international struggled to prove even a tenth of his huge £25million transfer fee.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/04/everton-reportedly-want-joao-mario-and-they-boast-potential-trum/
Post by: brap2 on July 05, 2018, 03:41:55 AM
Does something miraculous every 15 games, and then goes back to being distinctly underwhelming.
That is about it, isn’t it really.
Hugely talented but very rarely shows it.
I think he does rank quite highly for key passes and stuff though, one day someone might get a mahrez-esque season out of him.
Post by: blue slug on July 05, 2018, 09:44:27 PM
Post by: Free Agent on July 05, 2018, 09:48:06 PM
Does something miraculous every 15 games, and then goes back to being distinctly underwhelming.
Bit like Bolasie then
Post by: Bluedylan on July 05, 2018, 09:49:09 PM
Bit like Bolasie then
But without the miraculous bit, for Bolasie.
Post by: D15TIN on July 05, 2018, 10:35:48 PM
Watford Observer has us in for Richarlison for 40m apparently, cant see it myselfI'd be furious if we spent that on him, he was good for the first 2/3 months of the season then nowhere to be seen from around Christmas onwards. I'd be tempted to spend big on doucoure though.
Post by: Crackling on July 05, 2018, 11:50:44 PM
I'd be furious if we spent that on him, he was good for the first 2/3 months of the season then nowhere to be seen from around Christmas onwards. I'd be tempted to spend big on doucoure though.Think he's a pretty good prospect, but overpriced. Aren't all premier league players though?
In regard to his form drop off, he'd been playing football without a break for 2 years. That's bound to take its toll, especially in a new and very physical league with the manager who bought you leaving the club and tactics changing.
I reckon the drop off of doucoure in the second half of the season would be more of a worry. He only scored his goals (and fantasy football points) in the first half of the season. Can't remember anything creative of note in the second half of the season.
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 06, 2018, 12:30:43 AM
Lemina
Richarlison
Doucoure
Can tell there's no World Cup games and people are getting cranky :headbang:
Post by: kramer0 on July 06, 2018, 12:55:58 AM
(Premier League premium) + (Watford hate us premium) = (horrible value for our money)
Post by: Makis on July 06, 2018, 01:17:15 AM
Post by: blue slug on July 06, 2018, 02:06:38 AM
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2018, 02:51:27 AM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 06, 2018, 04:06:19 AM
Theyve also secured Deulofeu permanently now - 11.5 mil.
Post by: Thomas on July 06, 2018, 04:41:52 AM
think almost whatever you paid for richarlison you could get back down the line
Is he consistent enough to play for us?
Why did he go off the boil second half of the season last year?
Manager leaving?
I'm also weary of managers bringing their mates in. See Arouna Kone/Alcaraz for RM or Martina for Koeman.
Post by: blue slug on July 06, 2018, 04:43:13 AM
Is he consistent enough to play for us?
Why did he go off the boil second half of the season last year?
Manager leaving?
I'm also weary of managers bringing their mates in. See Arouna Kone/Alcaraz for RM or Martina for Koeman.
I think the new manager wasn’t using him I read somewhere
Post by: Thomas on July 06, 2018, 04:44:14 AM
I think the new manager wasn’t using him I read somewhere
Strange situation that.
I do worry he could be a kind of Shaqiri player who is good in peaks and troughs and cant be bothered tracking back.
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2018, 05:20:15 AM
Is he consistent enough to play for us?
Why did he go off the boil second half of the season last year?
Manager leaving?
I'm also weary of managers bringing their mates in. See Arouna Kone/Alcaraz for RM or Martina for Koeman.
Meh, hard to say. Young player, they’re prone to patchy form.
I think it doesn’t take much to see he’s got an extremely high ceiling. He’s potentially an elite attacking player who could get you 10+ goals a year from out wide. With his frame and technical ability as well, I could see him having a mane-sized output.
Would pay £40m in a heartbeat to be honest with you.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 06, 2018, 05:31:32 AM
Meh, hard to say. Young player, they’re prone to patchy form.
I think it doesn’t take much to see he’s got an extremely high ceiling. He’s potentially an elite attacking player who could get you 10+ goals a year from out wide. With his frame and technical ability as well, I could see him having a mane-sized output.
Would pay £40m in a heartbeat to be honest with you.
Is anyone else reportedly in for him? 40 seems like megabucks. But I guess wide forwards are the guys costing you at the mo, so would probably cost that much for a similar PL player (similar in terms of age, form when he was bossing etc.). Wasn’t The kid from Villa quoted at a similar price?
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2018, 05:34:56 AM
Is anyone else reportedly in for him? 40 seems like megabucks. But I guess wide forwards are the guys costing you at the mo, so would probably cost that much for a similar PL player (similar in terms of age, form when he was bossing etc.). Wasn’t The kid from Villa quoted at a similar price?
Ugh grealish £40m? That would kill you that wouldn’t it. He’s a nice little player like but a £40m player surely tears the Chamionship apart? Those lads that were at wolves bossed it and I don’t think they’re £40m are they?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 06, 2018, 05:37:33 AM
Ugh grealish £40m? That would kill you that wouldn’t it. He’s a nice little player like but a £40m player surely tears the Chamionship apart? Those lads that were at wolves bossed it and I don’t think they’re £40m are they?
Must be the English element. Sure I read 40 for that kid though. I only think I’ve seen him have a good game against the neighbours and that’s it. Does good stuff and I like the idea of him being good but overall I’m very 🤷♂️ about him.
Post by: blargins on July 06, 2018, 08:02:10 AM
Brands said we’re not buying players we’ve already got in the same position. Unless Lookman is leaving.
But is Ricarldson better? Is he 10 mill better? 20 mill better?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 06, 2018, 08:08:35 AM
Is he better than Lookman who’s also in the same position?
Brands said we’re not buying players we’ve already got in the same position. Unless Lookman is leaving.
But is Ricarldson better? Is he 10 mill better? 20 mill better?
I prefer Lookman, myself.
Post by: howard1334 on July 06, 2018, 09:07:53 AM
Is he better than Lookman who’s also in the same position?
Brands said we’re not buying players we’ve already got in the same position. Unless Lookman is leaving.
But is Ricarldson better? Is he 10 mill better? 20 mill better?
From what I have seen, I think they are pretty different players. Both are fast, but Richarlison seems stronger, more direct, and better in the air, while Lookman is probably more creative and plays with a bit more guile.
Post by: Goaljira on July 06, 2018, 11:25:56 AM
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2018, 01:34:46 PM
Grealish is going to Spurs for £20m.
More like it. Good buy that.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 06, 2018, 01:35:50 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2018, 01:45:42 PM
Where the hell did I read 40?!
I think I read the same, weirdly it was about the time their devastating financial news was released.
Post by: Cozzie on July 06, 2018, 02:24:20 PM
Where the hell did I read 40?!
That's what they wanted for him, you deffo never imagined it.
As @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) said it was at the same time they where facing a winding up order.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 06, 2018, 02:32:50 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 06, 2018, 03:19:15 PM
I don't read the forum properly
Post by: Juanito on July 06, 2018, 06:12:58 PM
Richarlison is a very good player, and has only just turned 21. Strong and direct often with an end product. But he is a very similar player/age to Lookman. Perhaps a tad better and reads the game a bit better, but theres not much in it. I'd like to think we can have both, as quality wide play is in short supply. So I would get shut of Bolasie and Niasse keep Lookman, bring in Richarlison (or Lozano), and have a mobile forward line that can swap around. The wingers can of course swap sides and If Tosun gets a short term injury, move those quality players around, even up front, and utilise DCL, in a more dynamic Silva like attack. We should be keeping hold of our quality players and getting shut of the sub-par players, not almost like for like swaps. Surely M&M think the same...
I think there is an argument to suggest Richarlison, Lookman and Lozano could all adapt to the false 9 position. All have goals in their lockers. All could either play on the wing and work centrally, I think.
Post by: Lxxx on July 06, 2018, 11:32:35 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2018, 11:48:16 PM
Haven't really kept abreast of much of our gossip over this summer as yet, apart from the tedious Tierney link. Is that because that is about the sum of it or are there any other bits of gossip floating about?
Much of it is getting denied not long after circling e.g carvalho / bansebaini (pure guess on that spelling there) so nah nothing clear really mate.
Post by: Waltzer on July 07, 2018, 04:20:55 AM
Post by: Brownie on July 07, 2018, 04:24:40 AM
Didn't think the type of transformation we need to really enhance our chances of progressing was possible in 1window, but now we've got roughly a month left with no activity to date I'm starting to get a few jitters. Don't think were anywhere near the relegation zone or that, but it'd be nice to see some squad strengthening in the next week or so to give them and opportunity to gel with the team before kick off.
Three signings in the next fortnight I reckon
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 07, 2018, 04:26:06 AM
Didn't think the type of transformation we need to really enhance our chances of progressing was possible in 1window, but now we've got roughly a month left with no activity to date I'm starting to get a few jitters. Don't think were anywhere near the relegation zone or that, but it'd be nice to see some squad strengthening in the next week or so to give them and opportunity to gel with the team before kick off.
no one is buying, the WC is on...
Post by: blargins on July 07, 2018, 04:57:45 AM
no one is buying, the WC is on...
There's only half a dozen teams left.
Should start seeing some action soon I'd think.
Post by: Alanvideo on July 07, 2018, 05:11:33 AM
Crystal Palace winger Wilfried Zaha has turned down a new £120,000-a-week pay deal with the Eagles. Tottenham, Everton and Borussia Dortmund are reportedly interested in the 25-year-old Ivory Coast international. (Sun)
Everton have expressed their interest in signing Barcelona and Spain striker Paco Alcacer, 24. (Sport)
Post by: Waltzer on July 07, 2018, 01:15:18 PM
no one is buying, the WC is on...Think there are only 4 or 5 teams in the premiership that haven't signed anyone, it's not like the world cup was sprung on us at the last minute either. Man u signed Fred during the world cup too, so it shouldn't be that big of an issue
Post by: GLewis on July 07, 2018, 01:29:04 PM
Think there are only 4 or 5 teams in the premiership that haven't signed anyone, it's not like the world cup was sprung on us at the last minute either. Man u signed Fred during the world cup too, so it shouldn't be that big of an issue
No one else has a new manager and new DoF.
Plus it’s pretty clear we’re lowering the wage bill/ squad size and will only be adding probably 3-4 players.
Some of those may be dependent on who goes eg if we like the look of Sandro then a wide forward may not be deemed necessary right now (or it might be very necessary to get all/ some of his £120k pw off the bill).
Aside from integration (an ideal but I’d rather we got the right players even if it takes a few more weeks) we know deals can get finalised in 2 hrs if necessary so I wouldn’t worry about the deadline.
Post by: Ramjam on July 07, 2018, 03:12:16 PM
Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 09, 2018, 12:16:02 AM
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 01:23:39 AM
On sky that we are interested in Forsberg! Wasn’t impressed at the World Cup and didn’t see much of him in Germany! Anyone watched him a few times?
I thought he was meant to be a good player but I watched every Sweden game and thought he was pretty poor every game to be honest
Post by: Alanvideo on July 09, 2018, 01:32:26 AM
I thought he was meant to be a good player but I watched every Sweden game and thought he was pretty poor every game to be honest.................not impressed really
Post by: Martip on July 09, 2018, 01:46:55 AM
.................not impressed reallyFrom what I've seen not a marked upgrade on what we have.
Post by: American Evertonian on July 09, 2018, 01:47:59 AM
On sky that we are interested in Forsberg! Wasn’t impressed at the World Cup and didn’t see much of him in Germany! Anyone watched him a few times?
Would be a very underwhelming signing TBH
Post by: School of Science on July 09, 2018, 02:46:34 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2018, 03:10:46 AM
Rather keep hold of Lookman, amazingly they value him much higher than Lookman, international or not looked out of his depth in the world cup.
Pisstakers. There’s no way 12m is a fair offer for lookman
Post by: Makis on July 09, 2018, 03:44:08 AM
Rather keep hold of Lookman, amazingly they value him much higher than Lookman, international or not looked out of his depth in the world cup.So how has Lookman done there?
Seriously, this is another case of "I have no idea who the player is but I need to give my opinion anyways".
Post by: School of Science on July 09, 2018, 06:35:41 AM
So how has Lookman done there?
Seriously, this is another case of "I have no idea who the player is but I need to give my opinion anyways".
So should we just listen to yours then, you must have been impressed by Forsberg I take it. For his age Lookman looks to have far more potential.
Post by: Hawkandro on July 09, 2018, 02:22:10 PM
If so, not what we need right now. Decent player in the Bundesliga though.
Post by: Makis on July 09, 2018, 02:32:57 PM
So should we just listen to yours then, you must have been impressed by Forsberg I take it. For his age Lookman looks to have far more potential.Is that really what you read from my message? Messi was poor so if he was available we shouldn't sign him either.
And no, I'm not saying Forsberg is as good, just pointing out the stupidity of judging a player based on a few world cup games. He's been injured and played less than half the matches last season so would it be possible he wasn't fully fit?
Post by: Makis on July 09, 2018, 02:33:37 PM
I'd always assumed Forsberg was a No.10; I could be wrong, but I believe that is his position at RBL.He usually seems to play LW.
If so, not what we need right now. Decent player in the Bundesliga though.
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2018, 05:55:29 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on July 09, 2018, 06:04:07 PM
You can’t tell me you’re not starting to sweat yet
Flappy McFlapperson
Post by: blargins on July 09, 2018, 06:34:55 PM
You can’t tell me you’re not starting to sweat yet
Been sweating most of the summer. It's the humidity that gets you.
Post by: Hawkandro on July 09, 2018, 06:38:08 PM
Post by: Glory on July 09, 2018, 06:41:32 PM
Post by: Macca77 on July 09, 2018, 06:46:58 PM
Post by: Waltzer on July 09, 2018, 06:48:58 PM
According to Twitter people, we still have a massive overspend on the wage bill and want to reduce that drastically before making any signings. The Koeman/Walsh era properly left us in the shit by the sounds of it.Don't see how you can blame koeman/ Walsh for this? Moshiri is in charge and supposed to be an accountant, he signed the cheques so he's ultimately responsible for where we are. If I was in Koemans boots and got a green light to do what I wanted id do exactly the same, never his job you worry about anything other than the team.
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 06:52:08 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on July 09, 2018, 06:52:47 PM
https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1015978848155062272
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 09, 2018, 07:02:10 PM
You can’t tell me you’re not starting to sweat yet
Been sweating for what seems like an eternity with this bastard weather. I can no longer remember a time before th eheat made me hate the world.
That is what you're talking about isn't it?
a handful of days after the new guys have started work with the squad?
Post by: Hawkandro on July 09, 2018, 07:13:51 PM
Been sweating for what seems like an eternity with this bastard weather. I can no longer remember a time before th eheat made me hate the world.
That is what you're talking about isn't it?
a handful of days after the new guys have started work with the squad?
I am living in a perpetual state of sweat.
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2018, 07:20:09 PM
Flappy McFlapperson
Come off it now.
Lots of work to do, a month to do it, squad still grotesquely bloated with players the wrong age and devoid of quality all over the pitch.
If you’re not worried imo you don’t know how bad a position we’re in. Yes brands has got good will in the bank, but it’s ansolitely correct to be concerned considering the amount of ins and outs we need.
Post by: Ross on July 09, 2018, 07:29:49 PM
This is the tweet (it's from The Esk, so some of you will claim it's bullshit anyway, but it breaks the figures down to show our current position re wages):
https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1015978848155062272
No sure how you convince a lender to give you half a billion pounds for the new stadium with figures like that.
Post by: Danny on July 09, 2018, 07:34:34 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on July 09, 2018, 07:35:25 PM
No sure how you convince a lender to give you half a billion pounds for the new stadium with figures like that.
I am guessing it helps if you have guarantors worth £9bn...
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 09, 2018, 07:35:34 PM
Still think we'll have to see another handful leave before we bring someone in.
Galloway, Browning, Martina & Williams
Besic, Mccarthy and possibly Klaasen
Bolasie, Mirallas, Tarashaj and possibly Sandro
That's an entire outfield team that we could lose and wouldn't even weaken our team. We'd still have a squad of 20.
It's a herculean task and one that may not be able to be finished in one window.
As long as we get a left back and another striking option over the line in a month i'd be content if we shifted the majority of that lot as well.
Jags/Holgate/Keane is the only place we look a bit thin on the ground in that situation.
Post by: Hawkandro on July 09, 2018, 07:37:16 PM
Funes Mori, Robles, Rooney, Garbutt & Onyekuru isn't a bad start, with the new management team only being behind the desk for a week or so.
Still think we'll have to see another handful leave before we bring someone in.
Galloway, Browning, Martina & Williams
Besic, Mccarthy and possibly Klaasen
Bolasie, Mirallas, Tarashaj and possibly Sandro
That's an entire outfield team that we could lose and wouldn't even weaken our team. We'd still have a squad of 20.
It's a herculean task and one that may not be able to be finished in one window.
As long as we get a left back and another striking option over the line in a month i'd be content if we shifted the majority of that lot as well.
Jags/Holgate/Keane is the only place we look a bit thin on the ground in that situation.
I reckon we will only make one or two signings close to the end of the window, and I don't think Lozano will be one of them. Tierney and Mina I reckon.
I think the bulk of signings will only start from January 2019; as you say, still a hell of a lot of deadwood to get rid of and it may take a while to get creative with the deals.
Post by: GLewis on July 09, 2018, 07:38:18 PM
Don't see how you can blame koeman/ Walsh for this? Moshiri is in charge and supposed to be an accountant, he signed the cheques so he's ultimately responsible for where we are. If I was in Koemans boots and got a green light to do what I wanted id do exactly the same, never his job you worry about anything other than the team.
The issue isn’t just the numbers and cost, it’s what those players are bringing back in either in terms of footballing outputs or potential value increases (or maintaining their value at very worst) that is the problem now.
Would Sandro on £120k pw be a problem if he was scoring 15-20 league goals? No.
Similarly with Klaassen etc.
No one is suggesting selling Pickford for example because he’s contributing and going up in value.
We’re looking to get rid of people who aren’t providing value for money.
To pin it all on Moshiri would be to suggest that he should be vetoing identified players - which is too much.
Post by: Macca77 on July 09, 2018, 07:38:39 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 09, 2018, 07:39:50 PM
I reckon we will only make one or two signings close to the end of the window, and I don't think Lozano will be one of them. Tierney and Mina I reckon.
You may be right.
Again, shoring up 2 of our weaker positions will still be enough that we should finish 7th next year. But i don't think it's feasible to imagine we could do anything this summer to do better anyway.
Hopefully a cup win or Europa coming down to 7th will give us a way of attracting a different type of player next summer and we can reassess our targets againt then.
Post by: Hawkandro on July 09, 2018, 07:41:23 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 09, 2018, 07:42:40 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 09, 2018, 07:45:06 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on July 09, 2018, 07:45:32 PM
I was for that, but i think @GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) has talked me down with his appraisal of where he is at as a player.
Again, I think we are going to have be creative this summer and Mina and RLC on loan would be two answers which would allow us to fully evaluate the team over the coming season.
Post by: Danny on July 09, 2018, 07:59:23 PM
The longer it goes on the less picky we'll be able to be in terms of offers.
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2018, 08:12:26 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on July 09, 2018, 08:18:51 PM
Come off it now.
Lots of work to do, a month to do it, squad still grotesquely bloated with players the wrong age and devoid of quality all over the pitch.
If you’re not worried imo you don’t know how bad a position we’re in. Yes brands has got good will in the bank, but it’s ansolitely correct to be concerned considering the amount of ins and outs we need.
I don't think the players we have are half as bad as you're making out. So no, I'm not worried.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2018, 08:22:15 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2018, 08:22:37 PM
I don't think the players we have are half as bad as you're making out. So no, I'm not worried.
They’re worse and a year older
Post by: bluestevie on July 09, 2018, 08:31:27 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on July 09, 2018, 08:37:59 PM
These arbitrary timelines and deadlines are amusing - ‘we need to have signed a player by x date’. You can sign three players on the same day, if you want, so I can’t really see anything to remotely stress about.
Post by: Danny on July 09, 2018, 09:11:43 PM
Have barely thought about it.
These arbitrary timelines and deadlines are amusing - ‘we need to have signed a player by x date’. You can sign three players on the same day, if you want, so I can’t really see anything to remotely stress about.
I'm mainly not concerned because I believe Silva could coach last seasons team to a far better outcome, even if we just signed Mina and Tierney and got rid of all the shite we'd be far better off.
Post by: D15TIN on July 09, 2018, 09:18:09 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on July 09, 2018, 09:24:20 PM
Yarmolenko having a medical at West Ham, 17mill.
There's a career in steady decline.
Post by: D15TIN on July 09, 2018, 09:25:07 PM
There's a career in steady decline.Probably, be interesting to see how he gets on though.
Post by: Free Agent on July 09, 2018, 09:25:31 PM
Yarmolenko having a medical at West Ham, 17mill.
Did he flop at Dortmund?
They’re moving him on after just one season.
Post by: D15TIN on July 09, 2018, 09:26:10 PM
Did he flop at Dortmund?I think so
They’re moving him on after just one season.
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 09:27:06 PM
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 09, 2018, 09:31:02 PM
I don't think the players we have are half as bad as you're making out. So no, I'm not worried.
Me neither. The players we have in a different system under a different manager could be very good.
Chill pill time
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2018, 09:35:10 PM
There's a career in steady decline.
Yarmolenko or West Ham?
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 09, 2018, 09:36:23 PM
But signings add impetus and a sense of momentum. We do, absolutely, need to sign players.
But we have a month and i reckon talks are well advanced with many, many players, clubs & agents.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 09, 2018, 09:50:12 PM
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 09:55:43 PM
Post by: Danny on July 09, 2018, 10:16:16 PM
Anyone who's worried about West Ham should look at West Ham for the past 20 years. Basket case.
I'm not worried about West Ham in the long term but Pellegrini is a talented manager and has always done well with quite little.
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 10:20:24 PM
Post by: Confucius on July 09, 2018, 10:28:30 PM
did tom power write on this site?
Yeah. He did. Miss him. Still a member in here. User name was ... Tom. Yeah. He is original.
Post by: Hawkandro on July 09, 2018, 10:30:51 PM
where is yarmolenko coming from and hows he been playing past couple of years?
Moved to Dortmund last summer. Only started 13 games. Making a loss on him.
Post by: bluenuck on July 09, 2018, 11:29:50 PM
Me neither. The players we have in a different system under a different manager could be very good.
Chill pill time
Is this the last time we're all allowed to say this?
We've been saying this since Martinez left. That's 4 coaches ago...
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2018, 02:00:52 AM
Is this the last time we're all allowed to say this?
We've been saying this since Martinez left. That's 4 coaches ago...
But since RM left we’ve finished 7th and 8th - suggesting that they are alright, unless you think that the last two managers wrung every last drop out of them.
Post by: gizzblue on July 10, 2018, 02:08:35 AM
But since RM left we’ve finished 7th and 8th - suggesting that they are alright, unless you think that the last two managers wrung every last drop out of them.
I still believe the right man can and will get a way better tune from this squad ....with our abundance of youth ready to step up and with what we havnt already given a proper chance too ....I'm not in the least but worried tbh ...nothing can or will be as bleak as Sam Allardyce at Everton lads we all know this .
Post by: Macca77 on July 10, 2018, 02:16:06 AM
Post by: blargins on July 10, 2018, 02:22:48 AM
Post by: van der Meyde on July 10, 2018, 02:25:59 AM
But since RM left we’ve finished 7th and 8th - suggesting that they are alright, unless you think that the last two managers wrung every last drop out of them.In which case, wanting the pair of them sacked was a bit unfair.
;)
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2018, 02:43:56 AM
But since RM left we’ve finished 7th and 8th - suggesting that they are alright, unless you think that the last two managers wrung every last drop out of them.
No, but I think residual quality + a garbage league has helped. Leicester dropped off, Southampton dropped off, West Ham dropped off, Newcastle haven’t come back up to level they were, Burnley were above us.
Our demonstrably good prem-level players are a year older (for some this is a genuine worry, for others it just means a near-drastic drop in value) and we haven’t solved any of the last few years glaring gaps other than arguably RW with Theo, but he is a notoriously patchy player with injury problems (who’s the wrong side of 25 to boot.)
The long term squad building failures - back up for Baines, replacement for jags, replacement for Baines also actually, back up for Coleman, replacement for Barry (Morgan but..), replacement for lukaku (no not Tosun), replacement for Barkley, replacement for pienaar - are still largely present, but all those players still with us are now older so even less likely to perform or play as many minutes.
Teams around us, and by this I mean Leicester, Burnley, Southampton (3 teams well placed with quality) and West Ham and wolves to an extent (some quality, some loon factor) ARE improving.
Dunno, tell me it’s fine if you like, it PROBABLY will be, but I can’t watch another year like the one just gone, and pace, youth, quality and goals are all looking a little thin on the ground at the moment to me...
Post by: Macca77 on July 10, 2018, 02:49:38 AM
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2018, 02:54:32 AM
No, but I think residual quality + a garbage league has helped. Leicester dropped off, Southampton dropped off, West Ham dropped off, Newcastle haven’t come back up to level they were, Burnley were above us.
Our demonstrably good prem-level players are a year older (for some this is a genuine worry, for others it just means a near-drastic drop in value) and we haven’t solved any of the last few years glaring gaps other than arguably RW with Theo, but he is a notoriously patchy player with injury problems (who’s the wrong side of 25 to boot.)
The long term squad building failures - back up for Baines, replacement for jags, replacement for Baines also actually, back up for Coleman, replacement for Barry (Morgan but..), replacement for lukaku (no not Tosun), replacement for Barkley, replacement for pienaar - are still largely present, but all those players still with us are now older so even less likely to perform or play as many minutes.
Teams around us, and by this I mean Leicester, Burnley, Southampton (3 teams well placed with quality) and West Ham and wolves to an extent (some quality, some loon factor) ARE improving.
Dunno, tell me it’s fine if you like, it PROBABLY will be, but I can’t watch another year like the one just gone, and pace, youth, quality and goals are all looking a little thin on the ground at the moment to me...
Yes this is all true but it’s only 1 year on so maybe Jags and Baines might fall off the cliff.
None of the of the older players are at that point I wouldn’t say.
Not signing anyone would be bad (and weird) but I think the point people are making is that even in that (unlikely) eventuality then it’s not panic stations re the team.
Things don’t just turn round in 5-6 weeks so the chances are we’ll only sign 3 players for example.
But there are players here who are fast physically, what was really lacking was the dynamism of the team. Individuals look a lot faster when the groups is moving with coordination etc.
We do have, potentially, young players who will be involved more.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to be more optimistic that a different management team will make more of the above a reality more often.
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2018, 02:54:52 AM
The day I start worrying about what West Ham, Burnley, Leicester and Wolves are doing is the I pack footy in for good! Let them throw money away by overpaying for average players, they will still finish below us next season
Not what I am saying but yes okay the year is 1987 and we are on top of the world.
Post by: Macca77 on July 10, 2018, 02:58:51 AM
Not what I am saying but yes okay the year is 1987 and we are on top of the world.
You've lost me there like
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2018, 03:02:11 AM
You've lost me there like
He means we shouldn’t just ignore that type of club potentially being better than us.
We’re not in a position of the top teams where say if City have a terrible year there not finishing below Southampton, it’ll be 6th at worst.
Mentioned it before but we do need to take confidence from the fact that we were rubbish for so much of last season but still finished 8th.
But we do need to learn from those mistakes.
Post by: dunkster on July 10, 2018, 03:06:26 AM
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2018, 03:13:37 AM
He means we shouldn’t just ignore that type of club potentially being better than us.
We’re not in a position of the top teams where say if City have a terrible year there not finishing below Southampton, it’ll be 6th at worst.
Mentioned it before but we do need to take confidence from the fact that we were rubbish for so much of last season but still finished 8th.
But we do need to learn from those mistakes.
Yeah exactly, still can’t quite get my head around managing 8th after that absolute stinker - but it’s not a level of performance I want to rely on, let alone look forward to.
We’ve every right to expect more.
Post by: Macca77 on July 10, 2018, 03:32:03 AM
He means we shouldn’t just ignore that type of club potentially being better than us.
We’re not in a position of the top teams where say if City have a terrible year there not finishing below Southampton, it’ll be 6th at worst.
Mentioned it before but we do need to take confidence from the fact that we were rubbish for so much of last season but still finished 8th.
But we do need to learn from those mistakes.
Ah I get it
Post by: Ramjam on July 10, 2018, 03:33:35 AM
I'm glad in some ways that he's getting to have a good look at most of the players before making his decisionI think he’s been looking since he got the ass from Watford, which is a massive plus for us.
Post by: dunkster on July 10, 2018, 04:00:21 AM
I think he’s been looking since he got the ass from Watford, which is a massive plus for us.
True, but I doubt he's seen feck all of klaasen and sandro etc. I'm hoping all the boys are making his choices more difficult
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2018, 04:08:10 AM
Yes this is all true but it’s only 1 year on so maybe Jags and Baines might fall off the cliff.
None of the of the older players are at that point I wouldn’t say.
Well maybe no but none of them are getting any better.
Plus Walcott and Bolasie you would say are two of our most athletically capable players and they are post peak. If anything, players who rely on athletic ability (especially explosive) drop off sharper than any others.
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2018, 04:16:28 AM
Well maybe no but none of them are getting any better.
Plus Walcott and Bolasie you would say are two of our most athletically capable players and they are post peak. If anything, players who rely on athletic ability (especially explosive) drop off sharper than any others.
Yeah they’re close to it so it needs sorting - just don’t think it’s panic stations this summer.
Post by: Jamokachi on July 10, 2018, 04:27:42 AM
They’re worse and a year older
Nah, you're flapping mate. In the end we finished pretty comfortably in 8th, with pretty much everyone playing well below the standard we know they're capable of. With a decent, progressive thinking manager and coaching team in place I'm confident of seeing a marked improvement from pretty much everyone.
The way you go on you'd think we were one of the worst teams in the league.
Post by: Bally on July 10, 2018, 01:10:33 PM
did tom power write on this site?Yeah POWER is still knocking about.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 10, 2018, 03:22:18 PM
Nah, you're flapping mate. In the end we finished pretty comfortably in 8th, with pretty much everyone playing well below the standard we know they're capable of. With a decent, progressive thinking manager and coaching team in place I'm confident of seeing a marked improvement from pretty much everyone.
The way you go on you'd think we were one of the worst teams in the league.
We've been playing below that standard for 4 seasons now, though. Koeman's full season was the closest we came to any sort of form in that period, but even then Lukaku's goals papered over a lot of cracks.
I agree there's some improvement to be gained and a different style should help lighten the mood. But at what stage do we point the finger at the ageing, bloated, stagnant squad rather than the succession of managers trying to get a tune out of them?
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 10, 2018, 03:49:27 PM
We've been playing below that standard for 4 seasons now, though. Koeman's full season was the closest we came to any sort of form in that period, but even then Lukaku's goals papered over a lot of cracks.
I agree there's some improvement to be gained and a different style should help lighten the mood. But at what stage do we point the finger at the ageing, bloated, stagnant squad rather than the succession of managers trying to get a tune out of them?
After this one. If they're crap under Marco then fair enough
We haven't had an attack minded manager since RM so let's see how they do in a new system with a guy who actually has decent coaching and man management skills.
We're unlikely to break into the top 6 this season anyway so what's the point in bringing in anyone else in unless they're a step up from what we have and we're not really in a position to attract those players currently. Buying more players to finish 7th doesn't make any sense when the current ones can probably do that anyway
We need to trust Silva and Brands. Silva in particular will have had ample time to look at the squad, we need to build and they'll know that.
I personally aren't worried in the slightest, I'm just excited to see how it all pans out on the pitch come August
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2018, 06:12:49 PM
Bolasie has never delivered decent goals and assist stats throughout his entire career even at his peak, so if his game drops off a cliff it won't be as noticeable as he never did anything of any real note anyway.
Post by: Danny on July 10, 2018, 10:40:45 PM
Post by: Macca77 on July 10, 2018, 10:42:12 PM
Post by: Martip on July 10, 2018, 10:47:49 PM
Fulham signing that Seri lad from Nice, massive that.If they get him great signing....
Post by: Brownie on July 10, 2018, 11:19:43 PM
Fulham signing that Seri lad from Nice, massive that.
That would be huge
Post by: D15TIN on July 10, 2018, 11:27:57 PM
Fulham signing that Seri lad from Nice, massive that.18 mill too, surely we should've tried?
Post by: blargins on July 10, 2018, 11:36:24 PM
Post by: bluenuck on July 10, 2018, 11:46:23 PM
After this one. If they're crap under Marco then fair enough
We haven't had an attack minded manager since RM so let's see how they do in a new system with a guy who actually has decent coaching and man management skills.
We're unlikely to break into the top 6 this season anyway so what's the point in bringing in anyone else in unless they're a step up from what we have and we're not really in a position to attract those players currently. Buying more players to finish 7th doesn't make any sense when the current ones can probably do that anyway
We need to trust Silva and Brands. Silva in particular will have had ample time to look at the squad, we need to build and they'll know that.
I personally aren't worried in the slightest, I'm just excited to see how it all pans out on the pitch come August
Don't think any of us are saying we're worried, or don't trust these two guys. Just when do we start pointing the finger at the real problem that a lot of people seem to ignore?
Our players aren't good enough. We're miles off the top 6, and slightly better than the rest, and actually falling back closer to "the rest" then moving closer to the top 6(last 4 seasons finishes were 11,11,7,8). A good coach could do what with this squad? finish 7th with 55 ish points? That would probably be it at best with this group of players. I'd be blown away if Silva could do that with the group of players we have right this second.
We need much better players.
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2018, 11:47:01 PM
Fulham signing that Seri lad from Nice, massive that.
The type of signing we should have been making the past few years. I think we've wasted so much money we're effectively back to square one again until we get the squad and finances on an even keel. Koeman and Walsh really were the pairing from hell .
Post by: TheRam on July 10, 2018, 11:52:38 PM
Post by: Macca77 on July 10, 2018, 11:59:15 PM
He’s probably not that good if he’s going to Fulham lads.
This is true, nothing good comes from Nice, even the biscuits are shite
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2018, 12:13:43 AM
Sigurdsson replaced Barkley and is more effective than he ever was.
They don’t do the same job really.
In terms of pure effectiveness he got 4 goals and 3 assists.
The last time Ross got less than that was 2014.
Post by: blue slug on July 11, 2018, 12:46:15 AM
Every time I see this thread, a song from Grease jumps into my head.
I think some of the flappers on here would take John travolta and Olivia Newton John as signings right now 😆
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 11, 2018, 02:07:43 AM
Don't think any of us are saying we're worried, or don't trust these two guys. Just when do we start pointing the finger at the real problem that a lot of people seem to ignore?
Our players aren't good enough. We're miles off the top 6, and slightly better than the rest, and actually falling back closer to "the rest" then moving closer to the top 6(last 4 seasons finishes were 11,11,7,8). A good coach could do what with this squad? finish 7th with 55 ish points? That would probably be it at best with this group of players. I'd be blown away if Silva could do that with the group of players we have right this second.
We need much better players.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it but I respectfully don't agree.
You say we need much better players but like I said in the previous post we can't attract them at the moment so...........
Our players range for the most part from average to good and a good coach should be able to squeeze every last drop out of them.
I'm happy to see how we perform until January before making any drastic changes as like I say we're unlikely to break top 6 this season anyway
Post by: Ramjam on July 11, 2018, 02:09:08 AM
I think some of the flappers on here would take John travolta and Olivia Newton John as signings right nowWell they certainly would be an upgrade on Williams and Keane partnership
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 11, 2018, 03:35:49 AM
I think some of the flappers on here would take John travolta and Olivia Newton John as signings right now 😆
Only if they were the ones that we want.... Ooh, ooh, ooh bluey
Post by: Silas on July 11, 2018, 02:11:45 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 11, 2018, 03:06:55 PM
I reckon this camp is one big audition. At the end of each day the management team will be getting together and going through what they have seen and making decisions on what they need.
Until that process is complete, i don't think they're going to make a move. (Besides approaching some glaring holes int he squad - CB & LB depth)
Post by: Danny on July 11, 2018, 03:07:01 PM
They don’t do the same job really.
In terms of pure effectiveness he got 4 goals and 3 assists.
The last time Ross got less than that was 2014.
Only because Sigurdsson was misused, he'll be the out and out number 10 this year I imagine.
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2018, 03:54:46 PM
Only because Sigurdsson was misused, he'll be the out and out number 10 this year I imagine.
Yes hopefully, guarantees goals and assists.
Doesn’t create much from open play and doesn’t get on the ball enough for me, but has his moments and is a world class striker of the ball from the edge of the box.
Post by: TheRam on July 11, 2018, 06:45:00 PM
Arsenal and West Ham have signed loads of players and they both had new managers.
No Brapesque flapping, but would like to start seeing something more concrete.
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 11, 2018, 06:53:15 PM
Would like to see us get a move on now.
Arsenal and West Ham have signed loads of players and they both had new managers.
No Brapesque flapping, but would like to start seeing something more concrete.
We're still trying to clear the shit out of all the lockers
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2018, 06:59:41 PM
With the mess Brands and Silva have inherited I don't expect much action at all to be honest so I'm not surprised we've been inactive on the recruitment front. It's not ideal but it's the mess Walsh and Koeman have left.
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2018, 07:09:53 PM
Post by: D15TIN on July 11, 2018, 09:08:55 PM
Not worried yet, but if there's no positive transfer news by the end of next week then it will be panic stationsDefo
Post by: School of Science on July 11, 2018, 09:17:31 PM
Post by: Redartin on July 11, 2018, 09:33:22 PM
We're still trying to clear the shit out of all the lockersRead this week that Pulis wanted Besic at Middlesboro, then I read he didn't want him.
Also read that Stekelenburg might be going to Lille, leaving us with a 21 year old as cover for Pickford.
Then there was the Bolasie to Turkey stories, and Lookman to Germany.
A lot of it probably shite, but a lot of them are not the real dead wood that need to go.
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 11, 2018, 10:15:25 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2018, 10:33:46 PM
Would like to see us get a move on now.
Arsenal and West Ham have signed loads of players and they both had new managers.
No Brapesque flapping, but would like to start seeing something more concrete.
Join me up here on this ledge, the view is tremendous
Post by: School of Science on July 11, 2018, 10:46:51 PM
Join me up here on this ledge, the view is tremendous
Haha don't worry Brap, when the world cup is over or if England go out.....That ledge will be quite crowded !
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 11, 2018, 10:54:10 PM
Post by: blargins on July 11, 2018, 11:01:03 PM
Would like to see us get a move on now.
Arsenal and West Ham have signed loads of players and they both had new managers.
No Brapesque flapping, but would like to start seeing something more concrete.
Do you feel West Ham are doing what we did last year though? Would piss me off if it clicked with them.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 11, 2018, 11:09:50 PM
Do you feel West Ham are doing what we did last year though? Would piss me off if it clicked with them.
Think their signings this year look better than ours last. Definitely better value for money too
Post by: TheRam on July 11, 2018, 11:13:32 PM
Do you feel West Ham are doing what we did last year though? Would piss me off if it clicked with them.
Some good signings in there I reckon.
I’m not worried about them though. Just using them as an example of a team that’s done business whilst implementing a new manger.
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 11, 2018, 11:22:22 PM
Post by: eugene on July 11, 2018, 11:31:18 PM
The day I start worrying about what West Ham, Burnley, Leicester and Wolves are doing is the I pack footy in for good! Let them throw money away by overpaying for average players, they will still finish below us next seasonJust the way we did last season you mean
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2018, 11:34:19 PM
Just the way we did last season you mean
Yes, Burnley are the exception there, however they to will finish below us this season
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2018, 11:39:23 PM
A cm who can pass
A cb who is prem ready
A lb who is prem ready
At very least, we will struggle.
Some of you seem to have a lot of faith in our squad and new management, i will say that.
Post by: Confucius on July 11, 2018, 11:46:13 PM
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2018, 01:53:43 AM
We should sell more than we buy I think, but if we don’t sign :
A cm who can pass
A cb who is prem ready
A lb who is prem ready
At very least, we will struggle.
Some of you seem to have a lot of faith in our squad and new management, i will say that.
Struggle to do what though?
Agree we need lb and cb.
A cm who is good at transition from defence to attack (whatever way) would be nice too.
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2018, 05:25:27 AM
Struggle to do what though?
Agree we need lb and cb.
A cm who is good at transition from defence to attack (whatever way) would be nice too.
I think all three are vital firstly, I don’t think I can watch a midfield MORE turgid than last year.
Let me just say that when im moaning and I know it is dramatic, I’m not saying like - oh god we’ve blown it, we’re going down.
What I mean is as a fan I know it will be very hard to follow everton next year and take any measure of joy from watching us scrape inside the top 10 struggling to play style of football that I like to watch.
Post by: Ramjam on July 12, 2018, 08:20:55 AM
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2018, 01:02:01 PM
I think all three are vital firstly, I don’t think I can watch a midfield MORE turgid than last year.
Let me just say that when im moaning and I know it is dramatic, I’m not saying like - oh god we’ve blown it, we’re going down.
What I mean is as a fan I know it will be very hard to follow everton next year and take any measure of joy from watching us scrape inside the top 10 struggling to play style of football that I like to watch.
But a lot of the turgidness is how we approached the game I think.
We did, sparodically, score some ok goals (aesthetically) so with someone more willing to get more players, higher up the pitch, more often I think that will improve inherently.
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2018, 02:18:05 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 12, 2018, 06:44:38 PM
Where are our signings Brands? Where’s our progressive football Silva? Where’s our stadium Moshiri?
..Where’s the Arteta money Kenwright?
Post by: TheRam on July 12, 2018, 06:46:26 PM
Decided if no one is in by then I'm going to start flapping.
Post by: Gash on July 12, 2018, 07:05:24 PM
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2018, 07:07:10 PM
I'm going the Blackburn game.
Decided if no one is in by then I'm going to start flapping.
Especially when we’re 2-0 down with no shots on target after an hour ;)
Post by: TheRam on July 12, 2018, 07:15:38 PM
Especially when we’re 2-0 down with no shots on target after an hour ;)
Already looking forward to the fume.
Post by: Macca77 on July 12, 2018, 07:16:45 PM
Love a day out at Ewood.
Had some great away days there
Post by: D15TIN on July 12, 2018, 08:38:51 PM
Love a day out at Ewood.was my favourite away day that, until they made the fernhurst a home fans only pub
Post by: Waltzer on July 12, 2018, 09:16:55 PM
Post by: D15TIN on July 12, 2018, 09:19:01 PM
Not entirely surprised about our lack of activity tbh, disappointed yes, but not surprised. Every year when we have spent 'big' its mainly been down to the fact that its been offset by a major outgoing, should that be Lukaku or Stones in recent years. Moshiri hasn't ever really dipped his hand in his pocket to the extent some think. Yes the wage bill might've increased, which he clearly didnt appreciate hence the need to offload a fair few this month, but with us having no superstar that we can flog for stupid money it was always going to be a modest spend.4th highest PL net spend since 2014, agree with everything else you said there though
Post by: American Evertonian on July 12, 2018, 09:31:47 PM
Post by: D15TIN on July 12, 2018, 09:37:03 PM
Disappointing when I see West Ham making signings almost every day now. Don't think they will all pan out but they likely have made a couple good signings.They'll improve, but not as much as their fans think they will. Still a lot of average footballers in their squad.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on July 12, 2018, 09:47:25 PM
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2018, 09:49:11 PM
They'll improve, but not as much as their fans think they will. Still a lot of average footballers in their squad.
I don't know how you can be so sure about it. All they have to do is improve slightly and they're in the mix for 7th, which is about what their fans could hope for.
Post by: D15TIN on July 12, 2018, 09:58:13 PM
I don't know how you can be so sure about it. All they have to do is improve slightly and they're in the mix for 7th, which is about what their fans could hope for.Their manager is washed up and couldn't do it in the Chinese league, id question his hunger for it at this stage of his career, we ''weren't impressed'' when we interviewed him in 2016.
Couple of players could be good, they signed a RB on a free from Fulham. Yarmolenko is on a decline in his career, had a bad time at Dortmund and ended up at west ham. Wilshere I actually like, but if he's hit with injuries etc etc.
That diop has arrived with a decent reputation, but we'll see how he gets on in a different, more physical league (nobody else bid I don't think). Think they'll finish between 9th-11th
As we found out last summer a lot of signings at once doesn't work very often, I think we'll see an improvement from them but don't think they'll be troubling many teams
Post by: blargins on July 12, 2018, 10:00:34 PM
Our players are decent, they got us 8th despite arguably the worst feeling season in living memory.
New manager, new outlook and a long term vision that is sustainable is more important than short term desires. Expect another season of transition, but one where we progress rather than regress.
Not worried, as long as we're being entertained and have something to shout about now and again for next season as our new management system establishes itself. Next summer is where I want to see us evolve more.
It's just the beginning.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 12, 2018, 10:02:38 PM
Post by: blue slug on July 12, 2018, 10:39:50 PM
Yup, Mina, Tierney, Loftus-Cheek, and Lozano should do. With a dozen dead wooders got rid of.
If that was our summer transfer activity I would be in absolute euphoria
Post by: Juanito on July 12, 2018, 10:49:42 PM
Fuck me Jean Michel Seri has gone to Fulham . One of the best midfielders in France in the last couple of seasons . Just the sort of creative player we need .
He is everything we wanted Klaassen to be.
Post by: Martip on July 12, 2018, 11:32:41 PM
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 12, 2018, 11:41:31 PM
Post by: D15TIN on July 13, 2018, 12:15:12 AM
I don't know how you can be so sure about it. All they have to do is improve slightly and they're in the mix for 7th, which is about what their fans could hope for.Just seen Carroll and Reid out until mid October. SSN
Post by: GLewis on July 13, 2018, 04:48:19 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on July 13, 2018, 04:51:27 AM
Joyce saying we’re after Mina and Lucas Digne.
And Maddock probably piggybacking that:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/lucas-digne-yerry-mina-targeted-12908059
Post by: Bluedylan on July 13, 2018, 04:58:50 AM
Brands might actually be doing his job rather diligently, and we're all flapping about nothing.
Post by: Macca77 on July 13, 2018, 04:59:14 AM
Post by: Ramjam on July 13, 2018, 05:35:51 AM
Maybe they thought they could get Digne a fair bit cheaper (with a better pedigree so far), and that's why we've walked away from Tierney, for now.Celtic might be the ones flapping atm if they are relying on the Tierney money to strengthen in other areas, they might be getting a squeaky bum and agree on our terms and conditions before to long
Brands might actually be doing his job rather diligently, and we're all flapping about nothing.
Post by: Hawkandro on July 13, 2018, 02:28:30 PM
Post by: Lxxx on July 13, 2018, 03:31:01 PM
Maybe they thought they could get Digne a fair bit cheaper (with a better pedigree so far), and that's why we've walked away from Tierney, for now.
Brands might actually be doing his job rather diligently, and we're all flapping about nothing.
Better pedigree usually comes with more competition though. Hopefully we have a compelling vision to sell now rather than 'we'll just pay you more than the other lot.'
Post by: van der Meyde on July 13, 2018, 03:57:37 PM
Maybe they thought they could get Digne a fair bit cheaper (with a better pedigree so far), and that's why we've walked away from Tierney, for now.It's pretty encouraging that there appears to be multiple targets that we're willing to go through if we get knocked back/think the fee is too high.
Brands might actually be doing his job rather diligently, and we're all flapping about nothing.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on July 13, 2018, 04:42:34 PM
I'd read somewhere that Seri suffers from really bad Chilblaines; which is why he had never moved to the UK before. If true, it could impact on his form throughout the season.
No doubt Nice is a bit warmer but I think the medical team may have looked at it . I saw that last year but I think Fulham have got themselves a Kante or Mahrez type signing there . I will be really surprised if he doesn't make a big impression this season . If they keep Dembele as well they could be a surprise package like they were when Tigana managed them a few years back . I am big Jokanovic fan as well .
Post by: Waltzer on July 13, 2018, 04:45:13 PM
Post by: Goaljira on July 13, 2018, 05:04:23 PM
No doubt Nice is a bit warmer but I think the medical team may have looked at it . I saw that last year but I think Fulham have got themselves a Kante or Mahrez type signing there . I will be really surprised if he doesn't make a big impression this season . If they keep Dembele as well they could be a surprise package like they were when Tigana managed them a few years back . I am big Jokanovic fan as well .
Dembele's not been at Fulham for 4 years?
Post by: blue slug on July 13, 2018, 05:06:11 PM
Dembele's not been at Fulham for 4 years?
Was thinking that the last dembele at Fulham was the young forward whose at celtic
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 13, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
Post by: Bluenose 91 on July 13, 2018, 06:19:15 PM
Doucoure with a cryptic ‘wait and see’ tweet...
Bet he just signs a new contract.
Post by: Free Agent on July 13, 2018, 06:31:14 PM
No doubt Nice is a bit warmer but I think the medical team may have looked at it . I saw that last year but I think Fulham have got themselves a Kante or Mahrez type signing there . I will be really surprised if he doesn't make a big impression this season . If they keep Dembele as well they could be a surprise package like they were when Tigana managed them a few years back . I am big Jokanovic fan as well .
You mean Sessegnon? not dembele.
Post by: Makis on July 13, 2018, 06:41:01 PM
Doucoure with a cryptic ‘wait and see’ tweet...Just a ploy to get a new contract.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on July 13, 2018, 06:54:51 PM
Dembele's not been at Fulham for 4 years?
Sessengnon .
Post by: Free Agent on July 13, 2018, 07:43:25 PM
Mark my words, as soon as someone posts a pic with those muppets on the road again we will sign players!
Post by: Gash on July 13, 2018, 07:46:29 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 13, 2018, 08:01:08 PM
That's late this year, the first "muppet delegation" reference usually comes way before mid July.
I think that's his point?
Post by: brap2 on July 13, 2018, 08:24:11 PM
No doubt Nice is a bit warmer but I think the medical team may have looked at it . I saw that last year but I think Fulham have got themselves a Kante or Mahrez type signing there . I will be really surprised if he doesn't make a big impression this season . If they keep Dembele as well they could be a surprise package like they were when Tigana managed them a few years back . I am big Jokanovic fan as well .
They’ll either go down with top 6 levels possession ala Blackpool on steds or top 10 imo
Post by: dunkster on July 13, 2018, 10:30:02 PM
Maybe a tad surprised we haven't moved a couple more players on by now.
Wonder how long it will be before people start to fume/panic about lack of movement playerwise
Post by: blue slug on July 13, 2018, 10:32:13 PM
Post by: Gash on July 13, 2018, 10:43:01 PM
Be all eyes back to club footie once this weekend's out of the way.
Maybe a tad surprised we haven't moved a couple more players on by now.
Wonder how long it will be before people start to fume/panic about lack of movement playerwise
What do you mean before people start to panic? @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) and @Waltzer (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1907) hit the panic button at about 9.30 on Monday May 14th. ;)
Post by: kramer0 on July 13, 2018, 10:53:57 PM
Post by: Alanvideo on July 13, 2018, 11:20:33 PM
Out of interest how long do players like McCarthy, besic, miralles, martina and Williams have left on their contracts?.............Williams 2019 ,Besic 2021 ,the other three 2020
Post by: American Evertonian on July 13, 2018, 11:30:48 PM
Post by: Waltzer on July 13, 2018, 11:31:54 PM
What do you mean before people start to panic? @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) and @Waltzer (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1907) hit the panic button at about 9.30 on Monday May 14th. ;)Was the 12th actually so get your facts straight!!!
Post by: blue slug on July 14, 2018, 12:43:58 AM
.............Williams 2019 ,Besic 2021 ,the other three 2020
Thanks matey bloody daft the contracts we have given some players
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2018, 01:47:26 AM
What do you mean before people start to panic? @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) and @Waltzer (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1907) hit the panic button at about 9.30 on Monday May 14th. ;)
When wolves pump us 3-0 all of ya’ll are getting tagged
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 14, 2018, 01:51:25 AM
Be all eyes back to club footie once this weekend's out of the way.
Maybe a tad surprised we haven't moved a couple more players on by now.
Wonder how long it will be before people start to fume/panic about lack of movement playerwise
Accusing others of panicking/fuming is the new 'send him out on loan'.
Post by: bluenuck on July 14, 2018, 01:57:52 AM
Be all eyes back to club footie once this weekend's out of the way.
Maybe a tad surprised we haven't moved a couple more players on by now.
Wonder how long it will be before people start to fume/panic about lack of movement playerwise
Saturday July 28th for me. 2 more weeks.
If nothing significant has been done by then and we're still linked with Mina I'm coming on here to do a rant.
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 14, 2018, 02:21:25 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 14, 2018, 02:22:21 AM
Betis have just confirmed the signing of Carvalho. So we can put that one to bed!
For money it is it another questionable free from Lisbon
Post by: Macca77 on July 14, 2018, 03:24:26 PM
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 14, 2018, 04:09:15 PM
For money it is it another questionable free from Lisbon'Rumoured 20 million euros' i read.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 14, 2018, 04:52:57 PM
Signed anyone yet?
Nah.
Need to get rid of another 2 or 3 yet.
Bet Silva is fuming.
Post by: Macca77 on July 14, 2018, 05:46:26 PM
Post by: sam of the south on July 14, 2018, 06:05:19 PM
Ok so I'll admit that I'm now slightly concerned
Maybe Silva and Brands now think they can get an epic tune out of Lookman, Vlasic, Holgate, Keane, Robinson, Baningime, Davies, Kenny, Besic, DCL etc, and that we don’t need much new blood.. 🤔
Post by: Brownie on July 14, 2018, 06:14:14 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 14, 2018, 06:15:35 PM
Maybe Silva and Brands now think they can get an epic tune out of Lookman, Vlasic, Holgate, Keane, Robinson, Baningime, Davies, Kenny, Besic, DCL etc, and that we don’t need much new blood.. 🤔
Surely that would be more worrying?? Management team driven mad by shite squad
Post by: gizzblue on July 14, 2018, 06:16:49 PM
Post by: TheTone on July 14, 2018, 06:18:45 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on July 14, 2018, 06:21:50 PM
When's the deadline?
google it
Post by: sam of the south on July 14, 2018, 06:22:26 PM
Surely that would be more worrying?? Management team driven mad by shite squad
How do you know they’re shite?
Besic and Lookman both played really well in different league’s last year.
Maybe it’s the (lack of) coaching, fitness, and direction that has made them appear ‘shite’.
Post by: sam of the south on July 14, 2018, 06:22:50 PM
google it
Partridge
Post by: Trublue on July 14, 2018, 06:26:16 PM
Silva said he wasn't signing many players, but they'd be big signings. The World cup doesn't finish until tomorrow. Most of the players involved in the competition are on holiday, still. If they have been knocked out. Off we are lucky enough to be in for a player from the last 4 squads nothing will be allowed while that is going on.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 14, 2018, 06:43:20 PM
How do you know they’re shite?
Besic and Lookman both played really well in different league’s last year.
Maybe it’s the (lack of) coaching, fitness, and direction that has made them appear ‘shite’.
I don’t mean lookman but it’s a fair bet besic isn’t good enough for a start.
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2018, 06:52:30 PM
Post by: sam of the south on July 14, 2018, 07:02:44 PM
I don’t mean lookman but it’s a fair bet besic isn’t good enough for a start.
I dunno, man, it’s the longest he’s been injury-free, and it’s no surprise to me that he managed that free from the tutelage of Martinez and Koeman.
Even Keane has come out today and praised the intensity of Silva’s sessions, and admitted that at times last season the players weren’t fit enough.
Post by: blueToffee on July 14, 2018, 07:20:14 PM
Maybe Silva and Brands now think they can get an epic tune out of Lookman, Vlasic, Holgate, Keane, Robinson, Baningime, Davies, Kenny, Besic, DCL etc, and that we don’t need much new blood.. 🤔
Would be amazed, but that’d also be a huge (unnecessary) risk for a club our size.
I’d even question whether a lot of those are even ready to make a significant impact over a season from the bench.
Post by: sam of the south on July 14, 2018, 07:26:10 PM
Would be amazed, but that’d also be a huge (unnecessary) risk for a club our size.
I’d even question whether a lot of those are even ready to make a significant impact over a season from the bench.
I’m completely in the dark, to be honest.
I do know our coaching has been pretty archaic whilst these players have been at the club, though, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few of them blossom under a modern regime.
Post by: sixymack on July 14, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
Max Meyer on a free 22 yrs old, german international, looks really speedy. Market value of 16 million euros. Looks like he tracks back and not afraid to get stuck in. Anyone here familiar with him??
Post by: blueToffee on July 14, 2018, 07:29:01 PM
They have no track record so until there starts to be one nerves will slowly build from here now the distractions of the World Cup are ending.
Post by: Waltzer on July 14, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
I dunno, man, it’s the longest he’s been injury-free, and it’s no surprise to me that he managed that free from the tutelage of Martinez and Koeman.
Even Keane has come out today and praised the intensity of Silva’s sessions, and admitted that at times last season the players weren’t fit enough.
I dont think I've ever heard quotes from a player saying the new manager is worst than the previous, or that their training methods arent good? Be pretty career limiting if Keane came out with 'Silva training sessions are terrible'. Keane may well be telling the truth, but its not going to be the most impartial of assessments. And if Besic is in the starting lineup/match day squad it says a lot for our desire to improve on 6-10th.
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2018, 07:33:11 PM
Are we linked with him?
Max Meyer on a free 22 yrs old, german international, looks really speedy. Market value of 16 million euros. Looks like he tracks back and not afraid to get stuck in. Anyone here familiar with him??
Post by: Bluedylan on July 14, 2018, 07:36:02 PM
Stuff like 'they need to get one in by the end of the week'. Do they? Why? Because it might make us feel a bit better. But perhaps they don't judge it that way. Perhaps they judge it that they'll get signings in when they are ready to, and when the deal(s) are right. They're clearly in negotiations with different clubs, from Joyce's info.
Just to be clear, I'm not having a pop at anyone for getting a bit restless. We all have those feelings, myself included. But we should just recognise that the restlessness really doesn't mean anything, and we have absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes.
Post by: Waltzer on July 14, 2018, 07:39:38 PM
They have no track record so until there starts to be one nerves will slowly build from here now the distractions of the World Cup are ending.
Although im slightly more concerned than others I still think this World Cup talk is nonsense, we are linked with players from Scotland - didnt make it, Germany - got knocked out in the group stages, Columbia - got knocked out over a week ago. Shaqiri played for Switzerland yet hes signed up at Liverpool, Fred signed for United at the World Cup, Ronaldo done and dusted, Fabianski signed for West Ham the list goes on, if there is an appetite to do a deal the World Cup doesnt prevent it happening and from my understanding of transfers 90% of the deal is done by agents who certainly arent playing anyway.
Post by: Waltzer on July 14, 2018, 07:42:02 PM
There's been nothing from the club regarding transfers for some time, and minimal stuff from the knowledgeable journalists, so people naturally fill that information vacuum with their own neuroses and speculation. And all of that is essentially made up in our own heads.
Stuff like 'they need to get one in by the end of the week'. Do they? Why? Because it might make us feel a bit better. But perhaps they don't judge it that way. Perhaps they judge it that they'll get signings in when they are ready to, and when the deal(s) are right. They're clearly in negotiations with different clubs, from Joyce's info.
Just to be clear, I'm not having a pop at anyone for getting a bit restless. We all have those feelings, myself included. But we should just recognise that the restlessness really doesn't mean anything, and we have absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes.
The only thing I disagree with is the importance of pre season, getting that bond and understanding. We left Sig until way too late and it cost us a lot and him. Id rather get all of our business done early, I just dont think this will help us in the long run
Post by: sixymack on July 14, 2018, 07:45:07 PM
Are we linked with him?
Don’t think so at this stage. Reckon he could be off to Turkey due to wage demands, found another good article and I reckon he is the type of player who would thrive under Silva
http://fussballstadt.com/max-meyer-schalke-future/
Post by: Lxxx on July 14, 2018, 07:45:24 PM
There's been nothing from the club regarding transfers for some time, and minimal stuff from the knowledgeable journalists, so people naturally fill that information vacuum with their own neuroses and speculation. And all of that is essentially made up in our own heads.
Stuff like 'they need to get one in by the end of the week'. Do they? Why? Because it might make us feel a bit better. But perhaps they don't judge it that way. Perhaps they judge it that they'll get signings in when they are ready to, and when the deal(s) are right. They're clearly in negotiations with different clubs, from Joyce's info.
Just to be clear, I'm not having a pop at anyone for getting a bit restless. We all have those feelings, myself included. But we should just recognise that the restlessness really doesn't mean anything, and we have absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes.
True. You can wrap up a number of signings in a day if you want. Most negotiations have already taken place and been agreed upon before it hits the press anyway.
We’re only going to be signing a few this season it seems, it won’t be massively disruptive to not have them in during pre season.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 14, 2018, 07:49:09 PM
Post by: sixymack on July 14, 2018, 07:54:28 PM
Physically not the biggest but excelled in the Bundesliga. Shades of Hazard, doesn’t give the ball away and completed passes at a high percentage.
Post by: sam of the south on July 14, 2018, 07:59:25 PM
I dont think I've ever heard quotes from a player saying the new manager is worst than the previous, or that their training methods arent good? Be pretty career limiting if Keane came out with 'Silva training sessions are terrible'. Keane may well be telling the truth, but its not going to be the most impartial of assessments. And if Besic is in the starting lineup/match day squad it says a lot for our desire to improve on 6-10th.
It’s pretty rare for a player to qualify his claims by juxtaposing it with the implied poorness of the previous regime, like Keane has just done, though..
Keane describes himself as “refreshed” after a summer break, is talking like a man with a point to prove and has, clearly, been impressed by the ideas and methods of Everton's new manager.
He is not alone in being struck by Silva's work so far.
But surprisingly for a coach with a well-earned reputation for wanting to play attacking football, the manager's Austrian training camp has featured a lot of defensive work.
“There are fine details which will change from game to game but we've been working a lot on the defensive side of play because that's the base of any team performance,” Keane told the ECHO.
“More with the ball will come but there has been a focus on defence, defending as a unit which is really good and we've been set things, as defenders, you can go back and look at and analyse your game.
“We have been working a lot as units and as defenders we've all got a good idea of what is expected of us on the pitch.”
“Training has been really good, enjoyable and intense from the first day” he added.
“We've worked really hard which helps lay the foundations for the season and there were probably stages of last season as a team where we weren't fit enough and the manager and his staff are making sure we definitely are this season.
Ask those who have worked with Silva previously, or who are under his guidance now, and they invariably talk about how 'intense' things are.
But that, as Keane explains, is an atmosphere which the players have liked.
“Every little drill you do there are a lot specific movements – getting up to the ball, getting back in," he said.
“It's all really sharp, it might go on for a long time which makes it hard but at this stage is what is needed.
"But everything is really sharp and you never just going half hearted through a bit of a session, everyone is at it all the time and that's the way it should be. It helps you improve your fitness but your quality on the ball as well because you are always training as if you are playing a match.”
Keane says Silva is warm and friendly but has quickly commanded the respect of the players.
He continued: “He's really nice, he seems really approachable, really friendly, as have all his staff, but at the same time he puts his message across on the pitch really well.
“Tactically, it's still early days, but everyone is getting to know their roles and what's expected of them. That will come more the more more games we play in the pre-season and the more we train but, so far, it's been really good.”
Post by: blueToffee on July 14, 2018, 08:00:05 PM
Although im slightly more concerned than others I still think this World Cup talk is nonsense, we are linked with players from Scotland - didnt make it, Germany - got knocked out in the group stages, Columbia - got knocked out over a week ago. Shaqiri played for Switzerland yet hes signed up at Liverpool, Fred signed for United at the World Cup, Ronaldo done and dusted, Fabianski signed for West Ham the list goes on, if there is an appetite to do a deal the World Cup doesnt prevent it happening and from my understanding of transfers 90% of the deal is done by agents who certainly arent playing anyway.
Regarding the World Cup, I just meant the distraction of the World Cup for us fans gave them extra leeway. Now this week, the focus will be back on club football and more people will get restless once they see other clubs signing players. Although as we all know by now it's not necessarily about the quantity of signings per se, but still we need to show we're shaping this squad to fit Silva's approach and I don't think anyone thinks Silva arrived here thinking he had everything he wanted already at the club.
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 14, 2018, 08:03:57 PM
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/124598/Show/Max-Meyer
Physically not the biggest but excelled in the Bundesliga. Shades of Hazard, doesn’t give the ball away and completed passes at a high percentage.
if we arent linked with him why on earth are you posting about him?
Post by: blueToffee on July 14, 2018, 08:08:00 PM
They might've also been surprised with the quality of some of the players, and decided not to do as much business as they previously thought. Football management's not all about signings. It's also about working with players and improving them.
It seems pretty clear we are after outside players to fill in gaps in at least the CB and LB positions. So it's a given we're in the market at least for 2 players. Whether that is the extent of our ambitions or not (I highly suspect not, probably at least 1 or 2 more on top of those positions) that doesn't really change the timing issue and desire to get players in early to give them a full preseason.
Post by: sixymack on July 14, 2018, 08:16:50 PM
So if we had one player who we could realistically sign in the summer who would you want?
For me I’d like to see us sign Llorente from Spurs, he’s to good to be sat on their bench and would work well with Siggy as they did at Swansea. With Rooney likely to be off to the USA that would open up the 10 role and allow the partnership to flourish
This post was page 1 post 1. I believe it clearly states players who we could realistically sign in the summer who would you want?
Meyer is available on a free and I would deem him a realistic signing. Hope this helps clarify things Audrey.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 14, 2018, 09:49:31 PM
Post by: sixymack on July 14, 2018, 09:58:27 PM
This guy has a real hard-on for Meyer 😆
Nope
I think he could add something to our team and is available on a free as stated. Makes a nice change from spending 30 million plus before wages etc.
Post by: mikey_blue on July 14, 2018, 11:29:19 PM
Max Meyer on a free 22 yrs old, german international, looks really speedy. Market value of 16 million euros. Looks like he tracks back and not afraid to get stuck in. Anyone here familiar with him??
I’m a fan. He’s played deeper as a CM last year, but mostly seen him as a 10. He can pick a pass and carry the ball comfortably, can’t comment on his defending.
Think he’d be ideal for us too be honest. On a free I can see other, more desirable clubs will be in for him but we deffo should be after him.
Post by: blue slug on July 15, 2018, 02:03:15 AM
Post by: Cozzie on July 15, 2018, 02:27:44 AM
Mundo Deportivo reporting we are going to be making a double bid for digne and mina
Old news that mate.
Post by: blue slug on July 15, 2018, 02:28:43 AM
Post by: Ravardo on July 15, 2018, 02:49:28 AM
Luke Shaw rejects Everton
According to Duncan Castles on Saturday night, Man United defender Luke Shaw has rejected the opportunity to join Everton.
To be clear, Everton have made a move to sign Shaw.
The details of Everton’s bid hasn’t been made clear. However the Times have reported the following:
Luke Shaw has rejected the opportunity to rebuild his stalling career at Everton. Out of favour at Manchester United after spurning multiple chances to establish himself as the club’s starting left-back, Shaw has been made available for transfer in the current window as Jose Mourinho seeks to improve his defensive options.
Castles goes on to note that Shaw only wants to leave Man United in 2019 when his contract expires. Shaw would be a free agent in twelve months time.
The picture is beginning to form where Shaw has no future at Old Trafford, yet he’s prepared to sit out a season before leaving. https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/transfers/shaw-rejects-everton-alex-sandro-agrees-man-united/
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 15, 2018, 03:05:45 AM
Post by: blue slug on July 15, 2018, 03:10:18 AM
There’s way better LBs out there than this chump.
Garbutt 😆
Post by: Risky on July 15, 2018, 03:32:13 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 15, 2018, 03:33:49 AM
Luke shaws rejected us apparently
Luke Shaw rejects Everton
According to Duncan Castles on Saturday night, Man United defender Luke Shaw has rejected the opportunity to join Everton.
To be clear, Everton have made a move to sign Shaw.
The details of Everton’s bid hasn’t been made clear. However the Times have reported the following:
Luke Shaw has rejected the opportunity to rebuild his stalling career at Everton. Out of favour at Manchester United after spurning multiple chances to establish himself as the club’s starting left-back, Shaw has been made available for transfer in the current window as Jose Mourinho seeks to improve his defensive options.
Castles goes on to note that Shaw only wants to leave Man United in 2019 when his contract expires. Shaw would be a free agent in twelve months time.
The picture is beginning to form where Shaw has no future at Old Trafford, yet he’s prepared to sit out a season before leaving. https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/transfers/shaw-rejects-everton-alex-sandro-agrees-man-united/
Chubby bugger
Post by: Macca77 on July 15, 2018, 03:35:13 AM
Post by: blue slug on July 15, 2018, 03:39:59 AM
Post by: Brownie on July 15, 2018, 04:05:30 AM
Would rather have Martin shaw at least he’s professional
Genius
Post by: blue slug on July 15, 2018, 04:07:15 AM
Post by: School of Science on July 15, 2018, 04:09:12 AM
Luke shaws rejected us apparently
Luke Shaw rejects Everton
According to Duncan Castles on Saturday night, Man United defender Luke Shaw has rejected the opportunity to join Everton.
To be clear, Everton have made a move to sign Shaw.
The details of Everton’s bid hasn’t been made clear. However the Times have reported the following:
Luke Shaw has rejected the opportunity to rebuild his stalling career at Everton. Out of favour at Manchester United after spurning multiple chances to establish himself as the club’s starting left-back, Shaw has been made available for transfer in the current window as Jose Mourinho seeks to improve his defensive options.
Castles goes on to note that Shaw only wants to leave Man United in 2019 when his contract expires. Shaw would be a free agent in twelve months time.
The picture is beginning to form where Shaw has no future at Old Trafford, yet he’s prepared to sit out a season before leaving. https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/transfers/shaw-rejects-everton-alex-sandro-agrees-man-united/
Good.
Post by: TheRam on July 15, 2018, 04:32:20 AM
Would suggest we’re well down our shortlist for left backs.
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2018, 04:38:53 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2018, 04:51:39 AM
Awful attitude. Wouldn't have him within a million miles of us.
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 15, 2018, 04:53:38 AM
Post by: kramer0 on July 15, 2018, 05:16:44 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2018, 05:24:30 AM
Post by: Ross on July 15, 2018, 05:27:50 AM
Post by: Risky on July 15, 2018, 06:06:56 AM
Brilliant. Clearly Shaw's main concern is picking up massive wages, on a free transfer, rather than playing football and rebuilding some semblance of a career.
Awful attitude. Wouldn't have him within a million miles of us.
As per my earlier post I wouldn't take anything that Duncan Castles says as gospel, just do a quick google of his ass-kissing of and doing the dirty work for Mourinho. Not saying that it's not potentially true that Shaw is a lazy bastard who doesn't care about his career but I'd would be very dubious that this isn't Castles doing a PR job for Mourinho.
Post by: blueToffee on July 15, 2018, 08:48:08 AM
Amazing how long players can coast on hype.
If he can't get his arse in gear to make a go of it at Man United with all their resources, unless he has a massive wake up call he's never going to make it at the likes of us.
Doesn't sound like there was much too it anyhow, it could've even been the last regime. Kinda how we were linked with Wilshere for so long.
Post by: Waltzer on July 15, 2018, 12:53:23 PM
If we can't find the right deal for us, just go with Baines and Robinson for the season. I can't see that being too bad tbh, and it would give Robinson plenty of opportunities to develop.
Dont know much about him really but is Robinson ready to step up? Seems a big ask for someone who couldnt get game time last year when we never had a left back, or was he out on loan?
We cant be in a position again where we are relying on Martina if Baines got another injury. I think this is one of the most critical signings for us this year
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2018, 01:35:44 PM
Dont know much about him really but is Robinson ready to step up? Seems a big ask for someone who couldnt get game time last year when we never had a left back, or was he out on loan?
We cant be in a position again where we are relying on Martina if Baines got another injury. I think this is one of the most critical signings for us this year
He was at Bolton all season, played a lot. Got called up to the USA squad this summer off the back of it.
It really grates me when people take an opportunity to moan without doing their homework.
Post by: Waltzer on July 15, 2018, 02:22:18 PM
He was at Bolton all season, played a lot. Got called up to the USA squad this summer off the back of it.
It really grates me when people take an opportunity to moan without doing their homework.
It wasnt a moan, it was a question followed by a statement regarding Martina? As you appear to have watched him do you think he is ready to deputise?
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2018, 02:33:19 PM
It wasnt a moan, it was a question followed by a statement regarding Martina? As you appear to have watched him do you think he is ready to deputise?
Apologease if that's the case, it came across a bit "ffs why haven't we signed a LB yet".
Nah, I've barely seen anything of him with my own eyes, only read a few articles as to how he got on during the season. By all accounts he did himself proud, and playing two friendlies for the USMNST is testament to that. Plenty feel he will kick on this season, but whether that's another loan we'll see. There's a bit of difference between Bolton and Everton after all, but the lad's showing great promise.
Post by: Waltzer on July 15, 2018, 02:37:42 PM
That’s how TyC Sports from Argentina reported the Toffees’ chase for the Boca Juniors midfielder Wilmar Barrios.
Even though the Blues and the Spurs were being pointed out as most likely destinations for the 24-year-old, it’s now claimed that Everton are the club who recently made an enquire for the player.
TyC claims that Barrios is currently protected by a €18m release clause. But if the Toffees accept to buy him now and only get him in December, at the end of the South American season, then he could leave for less.
A contact from a Premier League club has been confirmed by the Boca Juniors president Daniel Angelici this Friday. Without revealing the name of the interested side, the official only claimed that ‘it’s a big possibility’ that Barrios could be moving to England.
Angelici also promised Boca Juniors fans that he’s not selling any players before December. But if Barrios’ release clause is paid, the president probably doesn’t have much to do to stop it.
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
Post by: Brownie on July 15, 2018, 02:53:13 PM
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Got a Betty Rubble one?
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2018, 02:54:04 PM
Got a Betty Rubble one?
Only if we get linked with a Betty ;)
Post by: Coyney83 on July 15, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
As an aside, I am really surprised that no one has been linked with Nathan Ake this summer. He has looked excellent on the occasions I have seen him play, is naturally left sided and with respect to Bournemouth, looks ripe for a move to a bigger club.
Post by: gizzblue on July 15, 2018, 04:15:17 PM
Got a Betty Rubble one?
Ah a man with real taste nod
Post by: TheRam on July 15, 2018, 04:22:14 PM
But do we need him?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 15, 2018, 04:43:37 PM
Shaw is a clown, we'd be well served to avoid him. Bang average player since his injury + looks as though he struggles with his weight, which could well talk to the suggestion of an attitude problem.Probably down to value. B’mouth paid £20m for him and you’d imagine they’d want double that.
As an aside, I am really surprised that no one has been linked with Nathan Ake this summer. He has looked excellent on the occasions I have seen him play, is naturally left sided and with respect to Bournemouth, looks ripe for a move to a bigger club.
Post by: Free Agent on July 15, 2018, 04:47:03 PM
Shaw is a clown, we'd be well served to avoid him. Bang average player since his injury + looks as though he struggles with his weight, which could well talk to the suggestion of an attitude problem.
As an aside, I am really surprised that no one has been linked with Nathan Ake this summer. He has looked excellent on the occasions I have seen him play, is naturally left sided and with respect to Bournemouth, looks ripe for a move to a bigger club.
Shaw is United’s Luke Garbutt
Move along
Post by: Free Agent on July 15, 2018, 04:55:32 PM
Left sided midfielder, played at the WC for Uruguay.
Looked rather weak whenever I watched him play, admittedly only twice.
He has Pienaars hairstyle though :thumbsup:
Post by: Trowel on July 15, 2018, 06:46:41 PM
Marco Silva is confident Everton's power brokers will deliver the “players I ask them for” with less than a month of the transfer window left.
The Blues have yet to make a signing this summer but Silva confirmed their targets have been agreed upon with director of football Marcel Brands and that club officials are working hard to add to them to the ranks.
Everton must also reduce the size of their squad this summer and are hoping to work with a group of 25 players for the Portuguese coach's first season at Goodison.
Ramiro Funes Mori and Wayne Rooney have been sold, Joel Robles has left on a free and Luke Garbutt has gone on loan but a significant number of departures are still required as Everton reduce their wage bill to make way for new recruits.
And Silva remains confident the Blues will land their transfer targets before the August 9 deadline.
“We have to do it," Silva told the ECHO.
“It is something we have to do.
“We have our targets and we have already decided the positions we want to improve in our squad.
“We believe in all of our players but, for sure, we will do that and we have decided our targets.
“Our board, our chairman, our sporting director, they are doing everything they can to give me the players I ask them for.”
Everton, last week, walked away from talks with Celtic over left-back Kieran Tierney while they are in discussions with Barcelona about signing centre-half Yerry Mina.
Silva, it is believed, also wants to strengthen his midfield and attacking options this summer.
Post by: Toffee1 on July 15, 2018, 06:52:03 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marco-silva-explains-everton-sign-14910766
Marco Silva is confident Everton's power brokers will deliver the “players I ask them for” with less than a month of the transfer window left.
The Blues have yet to make a signing this summer but Silva confirmed their targets have been agreed upon with director of football Marcel Brands and that club officials are working hard to add to them to the ranks.
Everton must also reduce the size of their squad this summer and are hoping to work with a group of 25 players for the Portuguese coach's first season at Goodison.
Ramiro Funes Mori and Wayne Rooney have been sold, Joel Robles has left on a free and Luke Garbutt has gone on loan but a significant number of departures are still required as Everton reduce their wage bill to make way for new recruits.
And Silva remains confident the Blues will land their transfer targets before the August 9 deadline.
“We have to do it," Silva told the ECHO.
“It is something we have to do.
“We have our targets and we have already decided the positions we want to improve in our squad.
“We believe in all of our players but, for sure, we will do that and we have decided our targets.
“Our board, our chairman, our sporting director, they are doing everything they can to give me the players I ask them for.”
Everton, last week, walked away from talks with Celtic over left-back Kieran Tierney while they are in discussions with Barcelona about signing centre-half Yerry Mina.
Silva, it is believed, also wants to strengthen his midfield and attacking options this summer.
Was just reading that on the Echo site but the adverts etc.. were getting on my nerves, so thanks for posting the text - much easier to read.
Post by: Tinga on July 15, 2018, 07:12:55 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2018, 07:16:40 PM
Barrios is very good.
But do we need him?
El Kante colombiano.
Very similar to gueye surely though?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 15, 2018, 07:18:13 PM
Post by: TheRam on July 15, 2018, 07:23:16 PM
El Kante colombiano.
Very similar to gueye surely though?
Defo in the mould of player so I don’t really see the point in signing him, especially if we’re going 4-3-3.
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on July 15, 2018, 08:36:10 PM
Transfer window closes - Everton win 3 out of the first 10 games...
Everton fans - 'we should have signed at least 4/5 players during summer, cant believe we didn't do look at West Ham/Leicester/Wolves etc...did their business early, we'll just get to January with what we have build from there'
Everton win 5 on the bounce during December...
Everton fans - 'no point going nuts in January paying over inflated prices, this lot are decent look at Vlasic he's back from 3 months out and assisted 4 in his last 5 we'd be daft to bring anyone in now'
Everton lose the first 6 of the new year and exit the FA Cup
'ffs Everton, ok its going to be at least 3 windows building'
Everton finish 8th - summer starts... 'not worried about no players coming in...' repeat
we all do it
Post by: Macca77 on July 15, 2018, 08:43:02 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marco-silva-explains-everton-sign-14910766
Marco Silva is confident Everton's power brokers will deliver the “players I ask them for” with less than a month of the transfer window left.
The Blues have yet to make a signing this summer but Silva confirmed their targets have been agreed upon with director of football Marcel Brands and that club officials are working hard to add to them to the ranks.
Everton must also reduce the size of their squad this summer and are hoping to work with a group of 25 players for the Portuguese coach's first season at Goodison.
Ramiro Funes Mori and Wayne Rooney have been sold, Joel Robles has left on a free and Luke Garbutt has gone on loan but a significant number of departures are still required as Everton reduce their wage bill to make way for new recruits.
And Silva remains confident the Blues will land their transfer targets before the August 9 deadline.
“We have to do it," Silva told the ECHO.
“It is something we have to do.
“We have our targets and we have already decided the positions we want to improve in our squad.
“We believe in all of our players but, for sure, we will do that and we have decided our targets.
“Our board, our chairman, our sporting director, they are doing everything they can to give me the players I ask them for.”
Everton, last week, walked away from talks with Celtic over left-back Kieran Tierney while they are in discussions with Barcelona about signing centre-half Yerry Mina.
Silva, it is believed, also wants to strengthen his midfield and attacking options this summer.
Yes Marco you beautiful man you
Post by: kramer0 on July 15, 2018, 08:51:14 PM
Defo in the mould of player so I don’t really see the point in signing him, especially if we’re going 4-3-3.
Baningime is also that sort of player. And younger. And homegrown.
So yeah, no point.
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2018, 08:59:09 PM
Yes Marco you beautiful man you
Shades of koemans comments before last season there.
Post by: Waltzer on July 15, 2018, 09:02:55 PM
Defo in the mould of player so I don't really see the point in signing him, especially if we're going 4-3-3.Personally I think Gueye is an extremely limited player and offers nothing going forward. I know not everybody has to contribute to all attacking play etc, but I don't think it's hard to improve on him. His erratic play and school boy mentality of chasing the ball everywhere, whilst endearing to fans as its full blooded and committed, leaves us woefully short and pulls our players all over the place.
Post by: Hawkandro on July 15, 2018, 09:11:25 PM
"Well darling, did you get all the bits I asked for?"
"Even better than that..."
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2018, 09:12:17 PM
Personally I think Gueye is an extremely limited player and offers nothing going forward. I know not everybody has to contribute to all attacking play etc, but I don't think it's hard to improve on him. His erratic play and school boy mentality of chasing the ball everywhere, whilst endearing to fans as its full blooded and committed, leaves us woefully short and pulls our players all over the place.
I love him but I wouldn’t be surprised if he struggled in the near future with the reshaping the midfield needs.
Post by: Waltzer on July 15, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
I love him but I wouldn't be surprised if he struggled in the near future with the reshaping the midfield needs.I do enjoy watching him, but when you look at how overrun we sometimes are there seems to be a direct correlation with him being miles out of position. I also have it in my head that Schneiderlin is the much better player and a lot of the stick he gets is cause he's pulled all over the place due to Gueye never being where he should be
Post by: Macca77 on July 15, 2018, 09:36:12 PM
Shades of koemans comments before last season there.
You've pissed on my chips there
Post by: blue slug on July 15, 2018, 09:51:53 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 15, 2018, 10:03:04 PM
I do enjoy watching him, but when you look at how overrun we sometimes are there seems to be a direct correlation with him being miles out of position. I also have it in my head that Schneiderlin is the much better player and a lot of the stick he gets is cause he's pulled all over the place due to Gueye never being where he should be
Is he not all over the place because he’s pressing and no fucker else is. Think if we can get them to do it as a unit he’ll be great
Post by: kramer0 on July 15, 2018, 10:35:06 PM
Is he not all over the place because he’s pressing and no fucker else is.
I don't buy that.
For example -- last season's match against Silva's Watford (Unsworth in charge). We're defending a one goal lead late in the match, Watford are probing for an equalizer. We have a solid defensive shape, Watford have possession in a harmless part of midfield. Gana makes a mad dash to go win the ball, Watford work the ball around him and pass through the space he vacated to win a penalty. Pressuring the ball isn't some virtuous pursuit in this situation. We were winning, we were well positioned, Watford were up to absolutely nothing. Ultimately, we were lucky that Cleverley took an awful penalty.
Gana's game is full of these little gambles to win possession back, regardless of whether or not we need to win it. It's why I hate it when we give him any sort of positional freedom. I think all of his best football is played when he stays in his own half and moves side to side to break up or slow down counterattacks.
Post by: Martip on July 15, 2018, 11:14:51 PM
I do enjoy watching him, but when you look at how overrun we sometimes are there seems to be a direct correlation with him being miles out of position. I also have it in my head that Schneiderlin is the much better player and a lot of the stick he gets is cause he's pulled all over the place due to Gueye never being where he should beGueye over Morgan any day of the week for me.
Post by: howard1334 on July 15, 2018, 11:32:22 PM
Shades of koemans comments before last season there.
Shades of what any competent manager says in this situation. Would not worry too much, yet.
Post by: blue slug on July 16, 2018, 01:38:20 AM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 16, 2018, 04:43:59 AM
Periodico Mediterraneo says we’re after Denis Cheryshev
Scorchio!
Post by: Ramjam on July 16, 2018, 04:52:55 AM
Shades of koemans comments before last season there.50 shades of Silva
Post by: howard1334 on July 16, 2018, 08:27:12 AM
I don't buy that.
For example -- last season's match against Silva's Watford (Unsworth in charge). We're defending a one goal lead late in the match, Watford are probing for an equalizer. We have a solid defensive shape, Watford have possession in a harmless part of midfield. Gana makes a mad dash to go win the ball, Watford work the ball around him and pass through the space he vacated to win a penalty. Pressuring the ball isn't some virtuous pursuit in this situation. We were winning, we were well positioned, Watford were up to absolutely nothing. Ultimately, we were lucky that Cleverley took an awful penalty.
Gana's game is full of these little gambles to win possession back, regardless of whether or not we need to win it. It's why I hate it when we give him any sort of positional freedom. I think all of his best football is played when he stays in his own half and moves side to side to break up or slow down counterattacks.
Of course there are instances where Gueye is singularly at fault because of his over exuberance, as you rightly have pointed out here. But I don't think that is wrong that Gueye will fair better in a team that works, and presses, as a team better than we did this past season.
Post by: brap2 on July 16, 2018, 07:42:19 PM
Shades of what any competent manager says in this situation. Would not worry too much, yet.
Simply saying I wouldn’t feel too relieved by the template statement.
Feels like we need to see a few more go the other way first, doesn’t it.
Come on, whose next? Get going.
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 16, 2018, 07:53:33 PM
50 shades of Silva
Yum
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 16, 2018, 08:58:48 PM
Baningime is also that sort of player. And younger. And homegrown.
So yeah, no point.
He may have been the player (in small bursts) that impressed me the most in terms of future potential last season. There's a really good player in there.
Post by: dunkster on July 16, 2018, 09:23:09 PM
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Post by: Bluebridge on July 16, 2018, 09:36:38 PM
91 pages and not a sausageThank you, was just deciding what to make for tea :thumbsup:
Post by: Macca77 on July 16, 2018, 10:34:10 PM
Post by: Cozzie on July 16, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Thankfully the world cup helped stem some of it but one of my favorite things about the close season is signing players.
I don't want us to sign for the sake of signing of course but it's just boss signing players.
Thankfully the window shuts before the season starts so we have no choice but to have our signings in before a ball is kicked.
Post by: Escla on July 16, 2018, 11:27:05 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 16, 2018, 11:28:26 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 16, 2018, 11:31:30 PM
I'm not so much concerned, just more bored.Yep. Obviously it’s not for want of trying and I’d hate to see signings for the sake of it, but FFS Everton, you sure know how to kill a vibe.
Thankfully the world cup helped stem some of it but one of my favorite things about the close season is signing players.
I don't want us to sign for the sake of signing of course but it's just boss signing players.
Thankfully the window shuts before the season starts so we have no choice but to have our signings in before a ball is kicked.
Post by: Waltzer on July 16, 2018, 11:33:30 PM
I’m not worried to the extent of calling out Moshiri as a fraud like some bellends, however, I’m getting a bit concerned our lack of movement in the market may cause us have a slow start to the season.
Im not calling Moshiri out, although the initial optimism of what we might have achieved under him has well and truly sailed into the distance. Ive said it before, everything hes done has been to his own benefit and increased his potential return. He has done some amazing things, or is in the process of doing them, so providing they come off itll be worth it. But I dont see us challenging for anything other than the top 6-10 positions for the foreseeable future. I want more, as most people do, but im not expecting the levels of investment needed to get us there.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 16, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
That was more than enough for me.
Post by: Ross on July 16, 2018, 11:37:24 PM
23 days, 23 hours and 23 minutes to go and massive work to be done.
Post by: kramer0 on July 16, 2018, 11:43:44 PM
As currently constructed, our biggest issues are CB/LB depth and midfield passing. I'm optimistic that we can sort those three areas after we unload a few big earners.
If you're looking for silver linings in all of the inactivity, here are a couple:
(1) We have a lot of young talent already on the books, players that can improve a lot given regular minutes in a cohesive side. This group includes Holgate, Davies, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin, Dowell, Vlasic, and Baningime. I'll even throw Pickford and Keane in here. The former has already shown glimpses of quality and isn't anywhere near his prime as a keeper yet. And I think the latter has more to show under a manager who organizes the team better and can make use of his underrated ball-playing ability.
(2) If you don't do anything, you can't do anything stupid. Which, after the past few summers, is a victory of sorts.
Post by: TheRam on July 16, 2018, 11:44:01 PM
Just over three weeks until the close of the window and we’ve brought nobody in with the majority of the deadwood still here as well.
Post by: Macca77 on July 16, 2018, 11:50:08 PM
Post by: Big Nev on July 16, 2018, 11:55:39 PM
Not deemed disrespectful when coming from a born Scouser is it?
Post by: Goaljira on July 17, 2018, 12:36:47 AM
Im not calling Moshiri out, although the initial optimism of what we might have achieved under him has well and truly sailed into the distance. Ive said it before, everything hes done has been to his own benefit and increased his potential return. He has done some amazing things, or is in the process of doing them, so providing they come off itll be worth it. But I dont see us challenging for anything other than the top 6-10 positions for the foreseeable future. I want more, as most people do, but im not expecting the levels of investment needed to get us there.
Why would you not expect everything to be done to be to his own benefit and for his own return? And what levels of 'investment' were you expecting over what has been put in already?
Post by: Goaljira on July 17, 2018, 12:37:13 AM
If we haven't brought anyone in by this weekend them I'm upgrading to full on panic mode
Does that involved swapping the bulb?
Post by: School of Science on July 17, 2018, 12:37:33 AM
Post by: Macca77 on July 17, 2018, 12:43:43 AM
Does that involved swapping the bulb?
I was actually gonna put that on the original post but thought better of it in case it sounded silly.
Post by: Lxxx on July 17, 2018, 12:58:40 AM
I’m as much concerned about the lack of shipping players out and reliving the wage bill as I am about the lack of signings, so far we have shipped out Rooney and Mori, anyone else gone out on loan that we are not covering the wages for ? It’s almost as if we are back to the sell to buy days !
It's almost as if no-one wants our overpaid players.
Post by: Waltzer on July 17, 2018, 01:09:26 AM
Why would you not expect everything to be done to be to his own benefit and for his own return? And what levels of 'investment' were you expecting over what has been put in already?I wouldn't, you'd want to protect your investment and grow its worth if possible. But you need to remember he set the bar pretty high with some of the statements when he arrived and when you look at it objectively were no better off on the pitch than we were before his arrival. Appreciate its not his fault, but he has been responsible for putting a lot of people in place that have failed
Post by: Goaljira on July 17, 2018, 01:10:25 AM
It's almost as if no-one wants our overpaid players.
Or they do and know we need to get rid so will wait until deadline day to get a more favourable deal.
Post by: Waltzer on July 17, 2018, 01:17:08 AM
Or they do and know we need to get rid so will wait until deadline day to get a more favourable deal.And that's kind of the worry, if we genuinely need to offload a few before getting others in it could be a hectic last few days of the window.
Post by: TheTone on July 17, 2018, 01:18:18 AM
Post by: Lxxx on July 17, 2018, 01:23:06 AM
Or they do and know we need to get rid so will wait until deadline day to get a more favourable deal.
That fact itself, if it turns out to be accurate as time goes on, tells it's own story. Clubs aren't that arsed at losing out on a Klaassan or a Williams or a Sandro but if they're still available in 3 weeks then they'll throw in a derisory offer knowing there's a high likelihood we won't drive a hard bargain at such a late stage.
Post by: brap2 on July 17, 2018, 01:23:18 AM
We are? Ok grand.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 17, 2018, 02:08:29 AM
Loads will be happening Everton wise over the next few weeks, patience the lads
Err yeah. It pre-season....
;)
Post by: GLewis on July 17, 2018, 02:26:57 AM
We know, and all the noises seem to agree, what are the most pressing areas so there’s no real need to panic there.
Is there, or should there be blind confidence that we’ll sign 3 top class players this summer?
No. We know the score and have seen it too often to know things are rarely that simple.
I do have confidence that we will a) make decisions with the longer term in mind but also b) if push comes to shove I’m sure we’ll cover the immediate need.
Not signing a good striker was bad enough last season but not signing one at all, even on loan was awful.
I doubt we’ll see that sort of scenario again.
And re shifting players, the only ones that move early in the market are either people who are really wanted or desperate to get away.
Most of ours won’t fall into those groups but I’d be surprised if most of the people we don’t want aren’t moved on, if only in the short term.
Post by: D15TIN on July 17, 2018, 02:33:59 AM
We need to remember that we’re not signing 6-7 players come what may this window.Likes of klaasen, Williams and mirallas will leave on deadline day on loan probably.
We know, and all the noises seem to agree, what are the most pressing areas so there’s no real need to panic there.
Is there, or should there be blind confidence that we’ll sign 3 top class players this summer?
No. We know the score and have seen it too often to know things are rarely that simple.
I do have confidence that we will a) make decisions with the longer term in mind but also b) if push comes to shove I’m sure we’ll cover the immediate need.
Not signing a good striker was bad enough last season but not signing one at all, even on loan was awful.
I doubt we’ll see that sort of scenario again.
And re shifting players, the only ones that move early in the market are either people who are really wanted or desperate to get away.
Most of ours won’t fall into those groups but I’d be surprised if most of the people we don’t want aren’t moved on, if only in the short term.
Post by: GLewis on July 17, 2018, 02:36:30 AM
Likes of klaasen, Williams and mirallas will leave on deadline day on loan probably.
If all else fails even if they leave post deadline day on an awful wage split then at least they’re playing somewhere.
Post by: Waltzer on July 17, 2018, 02:44:06 AM
Everton are among several clubs in the hunt to sign River Plate playmaker Gonzalo Martinez, according to Calcio Mercato.
The Italian news outlet claims that Lazio, Southampton and Tottenham are also interested in signing the 25-year-old Argentine, who has an Italian passport which means that there should be no issue when it comes to gaining a work permit if he was to move to Europe.
Martinez’s agent Marcelo Simonian is said to have jetted into the UK recently amid interest from the Premier League and elsewhere.
Calcio Mercato adds that the attacker, who can play as a No 10 or on the left wing, has a £13.2million release clause in his deal at River Plate.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 17, 2018, 02:49:11 AM
(2) If you don't do anything, you can't do anything stupid.
I can't believe I am the only one to like this so far. This is a massive step forward for Everton.
/obligatory WHERE'S THE KLASSEN MONEY, BILL?
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on July 17, 2018, 02:51:53 AM
Ugh grealish £40m? That would kill you that wouldn't it. He's a nice little player like but a £40m player surely tears the Chamionship apart? Those lads that were at wolves bossed it and I don't think they're £40m are they?Villa are skint 15 million offer they would bite your hand off. They have got rid of Wyness and Round in the close season.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 17, 2018, 02:53:49 AM
We need to remember that we’re not signing 6-7 players come what may this window.
We know, and all the noises seem to agree, what are the most pressing areas so there’s no real need to panic there.
Is there, or should there be blind confidence that we’ll sign 3 top class players this summer?
No. We know the score and have seen it too often to know things are rarely that simple.
I do have confidence that we will a) make decisions with the longer term in mind but also b) if push comes to shove I’m sure we’ll cover the immediate need.
Not signing a good striker was bad enough last season but not signing one at all, even on loan was awful.
I doubt we’ll see that sort of scenario again.
And re shifting players, the only ones that move early in the market are either people who are really wanted or desperate to get away.
Most of ours won’t fall into those groups but I’d be surprised if most of the people we don’t want aren’t moved on, if only in the short term.
Top level GLewising there. Destroying the fear and paranoia with reason and rational thought.
Post by: brap2 on July 17, 2018, 03:39:52 AM
Top level GLewising there. Destroying the fear and paranoia with reason and rational thought.
It’s not unwarranted fear though, is my point.
I don’t know why you’re being like this about it at all. Where does this confidence come from?
Post by: brap2 on July 17, 2018, 03:46:40 AM
I do have confidence that we will a) make decisions with the longer term in mind but also b) if push comes to shove I’m sure we’ll cover the immediate need.
Not signing a good striker was bad enough last season but not signing one at all, even on loan was awful.
I doubt we’ll see that sort of scenario again.
Where does this confidence come from though?
I want it, I really do.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 17, 2018, 03:48:55 AM
It’s not unwarranted fear though, is my point.
I don’t know why you’re being like this about it at all. Where does this confidence come from?
If I can jump in. I’m pretty chill about signings as it seems transfers can be turned around in like 48hrs. Well, it seems like 48 from where we’re standing but probs takes a bit more than that in reality.
I’m straight flapping about selling players though, which dead on contradicts what I types above. But I think it’s the fact 99% of the players we’re looking to shift are duds that brings that on.
Post by: brap2 on July 17, 2018, 03:50:45 AM
If I can jump in. I’m pretty chill about signings as it seems transfers can be turned around in like 48hrs. Well, it seems like 48 from where we’re standing but probs takes a bit more than that in reality.
I’m straight flapping about selling players though, which dead on contradicts what I types above. But I think it’s the fact 99% of the players we’re looking to shift are duds that brings that on.
Duds that nobody wants that are in the way of signing players we do want!
Not watching another year of Ashley Williams.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 17, 2018, 03:54:07 AM
It’s not unwarranted fear though, is my point.
I don’t know why you’re being like this about it at all. Where does this confidence come from?
No it's not unwarranted. It's reasonable to feel how you feel about it. I disagree, but it's not unreasonable.
Interesting question. Without putting a massive amount of thought into it:
1) It's a different operation than previous years, and Brands is an actual proper DoF who has been running short and long term strategy at a renowned European club for years, as opposed to the calamity of Walsh and Co. So just the credentials and experience alone make me feel calm.
2) I don't think we should be expecting too many signings. I'd be content with 3, and develop other players and the young'uns. And there's loads of time to get 3 deals sorted. If they have to be a bit more careful with dishing out silly money, then fair enough.
3) The comments of Brands and Silva since they've arrived. I think they identified the key problems that needed addressing, which straight away gives me confidence. I feel like previously not only weren't we identifying problems, we were creating them.
4) Relatively modest expectations. Not thinking we're likely to get above 7th this season, and I think a good manager (which I think Silva is, and will be) should be able to take this team into 7th by improving players in training and building some robust, repeatable tactics and patterns of play. So those modest expectations take the pressure off things for me.
Post by: blueToffee on July 17, 2018, 04:13:52 AM
Do that and I think it would calm a lot of people and you could do the last few transfers in the last week. It's not just about calming fans, it's showing the current set of players we're adding quality and any other potential transfers we're also moving in the right direction.
Post by: Goaljira on July 17, 2018, 04:18:32 AM
They just need one signing that fits a need (LB for example) and is the type which shows what this regime is about. In the LB situation, that would be the likes of Tierney or Digne I suppose. A player of enough quality, but young enough that they have the potential to improve.
Do that and I think it would calm a lot of people and you could do the last few transfers in the last week. It's not just about calming fans, it's showing the current set of players we're adding quality and any other potential transfers we're also moving in the right direction.
For me my main concern is about removing the fear we'll end up with Martina at LB at some point this season, which can be fixed by bringing in another left back or getting rid of Martina completely.
Second is about removing the fear we'll end up with Williams at CB at some point this season, which can be fixed by bringing in another centre back or getting rid of Williams completely.
Post by: Fynci on July 17, 2018, 04:20:45 AM
It's not unwarranted fear though, is my point.
I don't know why you're being like this about it at all. Where does this confidence come from?
I’m with you in part. Tosun’s arrival and Coleman’s return to fitness are important of course, but would they have made last season any less bleak? I’m not sure.
We have shipped out a few but that also thins out the options.
Silva is also still unproven to me on top of all of this.... so in short, I am far less optimistic going into this season than I was going into last season.
Post by: TheRam on July 17, 2018, 04:21:06 AM
Post by: blueToffee on July 17, 2018, 04:28:35 AM
For me my main concern is about removing the fear we'll end up with Martina at LB at some point this season, which can be fixed by bringing in another left back or getting rid of Martina completely.
Second is about removing the fear we'll end up with Williams at CB at some point this season, which can be fixed by bringing in another centre back or getting rid of Williams completely.
Agreed, two priority positions. To state the obvious, it's about who we bring in too, as replacing Martina with another second string level player isn't going to give many people confidence. We don't really want to sign PSV's second or third choice LB because he's available on the cheap for example (although maybe he's great, I don't know). We need 1 quality addition in to start things off right, and give everyone confidence we're heading in the right direction. Someone that is on some level an exciting signing, even if it's just they have the potential to be really good down the line.
It'd be nice to have Lozano level splash into the market, but just saw a story about him going to Spurs possibly :(, although that one always seemed a long shot.
Post by: GLewis on July 17, 2018, 04:29:21 AM
Where does this confidence come from though?
I want it, I really do.
I’m not expecting loads coming in so I’m not too perturbed about there being 3 and a bit weeks left.
Brands seems to have a goal and therefore decisions, even if not great ones (as not all will be), will be made with that aim in mind.
From what we’ve seen/ heard/ read his ideas and experience tie in with what seems most sensible for where we are as a club.
After the last two years where money was there and people came in too not much effect (bar a return to par post Roberto) then I’m prepared to look further down the line this season than the next three weeks.
Post by: brap2 on July 17, 2018, 04:38:11 AM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 17, 2018, 04:40:57 AM
Post by: Goaljira on July 17, 2018, 04:42:03 AM
Agreed, two priority positions. To state the obvious, it's about who we bring in too, as replacing Martina with another second string level player isn't going to give many people confidence. We don't really want to sign PSV's second or third choice LB because he's available on the cheap for example (although maybe he's great, I don't know). We need 1 quality addition in to start things off right, and give everyone confidence we're heading in the right direction. Someone that is on some level an exciting signing, even if it's just they have the potential to be really good down the line.
It'd be nice to have Lozano level splash into the market, but just saw a story about him going to Spurs possibly :(, although that one always seemed a long shot.
I'm genuinely not arsed about making any kind of splash signing. As above, i'd be just as happy removing 2 players than bringing anyone in.
If we'd already signed a young forward from RB Leipzig, an attacking mid from the championship who scored and assisted a few goals last season, and a young LB who'd just broken into the USA side would you feel any better? And I know its a Bill-ism from the Moyes era, but they really are like new signings for this team based on the one that finished last season.
Post by: TheRam on July 17, 2018, 04:47:14 AM
Would be nice to add a mercurial playmaker/wideman in there, but the main focus is the backline.
I think we could have a big season from both lookman and Dowell which could save us a lot of money.
Need to be getting rid of that deadwood though.
I can’t cope with starting another season with players like Mirallas, Williams and Besic. There’s about twelve players there that have absolutely no use here.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 17, 2018, 05:33:13 AM
Only way forward is to subsidise there wages on season long loan deals but then it's starting the process all over again for that player a year later, not removing them of the books permanently. Otherwise we take huge hits take the financial loss and learn from it.
Either way this chapter is going to turn out very costly for the club.
Post by: blueToffee on July 17, 2018, 08:25:35 AM
I'm genuinely not arsed about making any kind of splash signing. As above, i'd be just as happy removing 2 players than bringing anyone in.
If we'd already signed a young forward from RB Leipzig, an attacking mid from the championship who scored and assisted a few goals last season, and a young LB who'd just broken into the USA side would you feel any better? And I know its a Bill-ism from the Moyes era, but they really are like new signings for this team based on the one that finished last season.
Not really, I'm happy to give players chances to break through but if we're serious about challenging the top 6 the players you've listed aren't the standard we need at the moment IMO to do that, and probably aren't going to be even over the next couple of years. For instance, while I'm happy we have an up and coming LB, I don't think I'd stop us wanting to sign a LB now who'd be ready to play a large part of the season. Or a creative centre midfielder who could be relied on week in week out.
Post by: Juanito on July 17, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
Add a young attacking, athletic left back
A deep lying playmaker in his mid twenties
A young quick wide forward who could also mould into a South American style 10, a la Coutinho, Pablo Aimar - then I would be very happy!
Post by: Waltzer on July 17, 2018, 01:10:40 PM
If Lookman, Dowell, Beni, Davies and Holgate improve and get more minutes because players like Williams, Mirallas, Besic and Rooney are no longer here, then that’s progress.Is it progress if they get more game time because those players have left and do terrible cause we're expecting too much too soon and we end up battling to stay in league again? Id say there was a reason why most of them didnt play more last season, they weren't ready or good enough. Im all up for bringing youth through, when its ready, not just for the sake of it or cause its forced upon us.
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