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NSNO Forums => The Everton Forum => Topic started by: Waltzer on May 25, 2018, 09:52:14 PM
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Ramiro Funes Mori is in talks to join Mexican club Monterrey, in claims reported across the country on Friday.
The Everton defender’s twin brother Rogelio (pictured below) plays for the club as a striker, and it’s thought that’s a large reason behind Romero being interested in the move.
La Aficion, a newspaper local to Monterrey, have the most detail. They say Funes Mori is in negotiations to join the Liga MX side.
It’s described as a ‘South American bomb’ of a signing, and there’s some confidence a deal could be done. The Everton player knows all about the city via his brother, who has been with Monterrey since 2015.
Talks have been initiated at club level, and it’s claimed the response from Goodison Park was ‘positive’. Everton are willing to let the player go as long as Monterrey meet the asking price. That figure is put at $10m, which works out to be just over £10m, and the Mexicans would in principle be willing to pay that… but have worries over the player’s recovery from injury.
A source close to the situation is quoted as saying: “They already had the first contact, everything indicates that it will be positive. Ramiro wants to play, to have continuity and he was not happy that in the end he didn’t have the minutes he feels he needed to go to the World Cup. Rogelio has talked about Rayados (the club’s nickname), he knows Mexico, Monterrey and he sees it with good eyes.”
In April, Funes Mori told Argentine newspaper Ole: “I asked the coach to play me because I’m playing for a place to go to the World Cup. I’m fine and I hope I can play these games. I spoke with Rooney to tell the coach to put me on, he’s the captain and I told him so. He told me he was going to pass it on. I will do everything possible to go.”
Mexican football is a big deal, Monterrey get an average attendance of around 45,000 and the country’s biggest clubs can pay wages to attract players from Europe. Funes Mori would likely have to go through an extended medical to prove he’s fully recovered from his knee injury.
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One of my favourite Sinatra songs:
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Sold.
I understand why some people like him but I'm never getting on board with a centre back this rash.
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One of my favourite Sinatra songs:
............................it's not often I agree with you 8)
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Sold.
I understand why some people like him but I'm never getting on board with a centre back this rash.
agree, we have to many average/poor centre backs so need to get rid of Williams and mori and get in two quality replacements
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............................it's not often I agree with you 8)
Let love into your heart, Al. It's the only way.
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Keep him till we are sure Williams is gone at minimum ....take him all day over the useless( Vauxhall conference at best )Williams .
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Has a Mexican side got that type of money?
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I like him in a daft, brain fart sort of way but I wouldn't be too bothered if we got rid of him. Still has too many "school level" errors and misjudgements and he's not at an age you can coach that out of him.
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SELL, SELL... before they change their minds. Never good enough for us really and a bit of a sly cunt with the tackles too.
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Keep him till we are sure Williams is gone at minimum ....take him all day over the useless( Vauxhall conference at best )Williams .
I know Williams is decidedly unpopular but I’m not sure he was any worse than Keane this season. Our best centre half by a distance is jagielka who’s on his last legs. We possibly need 4 new 1s
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How does $10m equate to just over £10m?
:bonk:
I hope they meant $15m
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Has a Mexican side got that type of money?
if they're owned by El Chapo they will have lol
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I know Williams is decidedly unpopular but I’m not sure he was any worse than Keane this season. Our best centre half by a distance is jagielka who’s on his last legs. We possibly need 4 new 1s
Jags legs are fine, he just isn't able to do 40 games a season but he showed on plenty occasions that in a straight sprint with other players he's still got a good bit of pace about him.
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Jags legs are fine, he just isn't able to do 40 games a season but he showed on plenty occasions that in a straight sprint with other players he's still got a good bit of pace about him.
Agree just meant he was old and didn’t have many seasons left.
Think we’ve got to hope a whole list of players come good under a different manager. It’s a massive job rebuilding if the likes of Sandro, Keane, klassen don’t improve vastly
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Better than Keane, but yeah, way too rash & brainless.
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Brands in, Rooney out, Funes-Mori out. It’s been a month of smart moves from the club.
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We are going to need some centre halves then, Jags can't go on forever, Mason needs time, Keane, not sure of, Williams, bye bye also. Interesting times ahead, just like last close season, hopefully this time we'll get it right... Please :thumbsup:
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Statistically the centre back most likely to be playing for us while we keep a clean sheet over the last two seasons.
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Can't imagine a Mexican club having 10m to spend on a centre half.
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Stupid to sell now. Wait for the World Cup to finish, he might have a great one and his price inflated like crazy.
I’d rather get rid of Williams, they can have him for free.
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Stupid to sell now. Wait for the World Cup to finish, he might have a great one and his price inflated like crazy.
I’d rather get rid of Williams, they can have him for free.
Not been picked!
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Stupid to sell now. Wait for the World Cup to finish, he might have a great one and his price inflated like crazy.
I’d rather get rid of Williams, they can have him for free.
I don't think he made the Argentina squad ?
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I get that he isn't the greatest cb in the world, but I also think we'd do well to get better for 10million.
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Imagine having Robles ,Martina ,Keane ,Stones ,Funes-Mori at the back .The phrase , rabbits caught in headlights springs to mind :eh:
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Can't imagine a Mexican club having 10m to spend on a centre half.
Agreed, Monterrey is apparently the richest city in Latin America though and their squad is more expensive than most.
I’d swap for their stadium, no?
http://www.arch2o.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Arch2O-BBVA-BANCOMER-Stadium-Populous-19.jpg
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Makes you wonder who and how we scouted him. Our scouting setup under that clown was amateur at best.
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I'd keep him just to piss off the Shite's fans to be honest.
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Keane and Williams surely should be shifted before him. He's not great though.
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Makes you wonder who and how we scouted him. Our scouting setup under that clown was amateur at best.
Especially since we passed on signing the Dutch lad from Celtic
<throws up into bucket>
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See big Enner is doing well in Mexico
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Especially since we passed on signing the Dutch lad from Celtic
<throws up into bucket>
Aye. Three defenders were available that window and three clubs needed one. West Brom got Jonny Evans, Southampton got Van Dijk and we....
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Aye. Three defenders were available that window and three clubs needed one. West Brom got Jonny Evans, Southampton got Van Dijk and we....
...got our pants pulled down for nearly double the original fee.
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...got out pants pulled down for nearly double the original fee.
God that story gets worse the more you recollect.
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...got out pants pulled down for nearly double the original fee.
........waits for someone to say 'Everton that'.....
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I like Funes Mori. Very few of his mistakes have actually led to goals against.
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Can't see Rayados spending 10 million quid on Funes Mori. They have just sacked their coach and 200 million pesos on an average centre back would be a lot for them. Most Rayado fans I talk to don't think he'll be coming unless it's for a real knock down price.
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I would want to leave too if I have a chance of going tot he World Cup and then don’t get played in the last 10-12 games of a meaningless season.
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would keep him until we get the replacements we badly need at the back..
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What - isn´t he already gone? :)
I think it is some names in our squadlist that I just forgot and don´t think actually still are there, like:
Mirallas
Funes Mori
Williams
McCarthy
Besic
Galloway
Kenny
Browning
And because of that - all of these players can be sold together with: Robles, Stekeleenburg, Calvert-Lewin, Vlasic, Tosun, Sigurdsson, Martina and Niasse. :)
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What - isn´t he already gone? :)
I think it is some names in our squadlist that I just forgot and don´t think actually still are there, like:
Mirallas
Funes Mori
Williams
McCarthy
Besic
Galloway
Kenny
Browning
And because of that - all of these players can be sold together with: Robles, Stekeleenburg, Calvert-Lewin, Vlasic, Tosun, Sigurdsson, Martina and Niasse. :)
Can’t be selling 16 players.
What’s wrong with Kenny, DCL, Vlasic?
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What - isn´t he already gone? :)
I think it is some names in our squadlist that I just forgot and don´t think actually still are there, like:
Mirallas
Funes Mori
Williams
McCarthy
Besic
Galloway
Kenny
Browning
And because of that - all of these players can be sold together with: Robles, Stekeleenburg, Calvert-Lewin, Vlasic, Tosun, Sigurdsson, Martina and Niasse. :)
Haha you absolute mad man.
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Would rather keep him and get rid of Williams instead.
Can't see us losing Jags, Williams, Keane and Mori all in one summer. Need at least some continuity.
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Keep jags and Keane. No brainier imo.
Brainier lolol is it just me or is autocorrect breaking balls more frequently these days?
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While you do have the possibility of a mistake with Mori, you at least have a goal threat too. None of our other defenders find the net as regularly as he has.
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sell only cb with pace that we've got?
seems unwise and will put a lot of pressure on getting someone who can cope in quickly - not saying hes all that but at least if we bring in someone for the position he can be cover or start the first few games while our new signing is getting his legs.
just how many centre halves do we think we can buy this summer? - we play with jags, williams and keane and we will be right back where we were last season or worse, my friends - can't see us bringing in 3 quality additions at this position this summer
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sell only cb with pace that we've got?
seems unwise and will put a lot of pressure on getting someone who can cope in quickly - not saying hes all that but at least if we bring in someone for the position he can be cover or start the first few games while our new signing is getting his legs.
just how many centre halves do we think we can buy this summer? - we play with jags, williams and keane and we will be right back where we were last season or worse, my friends - can't see us bringing in 3 quality additions at this position this summer
Jags has pace.
Neither of them should be starting every week so it’s a case of pick a player you trust to play those dozen games a season.
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Jags has pace.
Neither of them should be starting every week so it’s a case of pick a player you trust to play those dozen games a season.
had; got no complaints on him but he is reaching the top limit of where he can be relied on in terms of his age
if we want to play better / more expansive football higher up the pitch we will need pace at the back, williams and keane will get skinned alive
if we are starting williams and / or keane we may as well have allardyce because we are going to have to sit deep
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had; got no complaints on him but he is reaching the top limit of where he can be relied on in terms of his age
if we want to play better / more expansive football higher up the pitch we will need pace at the back, williams and keane will get skinned alive
if we are starting williams and / or keane we may as well have allardyce because we are going to have to sit deep
I’d rather have jags than mori for a dozen games. Whichever one it is will likely be gone 6/12months after the other one anyway. Bar Coleman I can’t see any of them staying around longer than next season.
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I’d rather have jags than mori for a dozen games. Whichever one it is will likely be gone 6/12months after the other one anyway. Bar Coleman I can’t see any of them staying around longer than next season.
Bar Coleman could be an Irish bar at Bramley Moore.
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Bar Coleman could be an Irish bar at Bramley Moore.
.............nice one :cheers:
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I'd keep him. Good luck getting better for 10 mil.
Williams has to go, Jags is reaching his limit and although I think he would be fine with us for another year, it would not help us to delay finding our new best CB pairing. Plus he may consider a move to somewhere like Villa at this point so that he can still play great for someone. He doesn't get many but age makes players more injury prone too - just a sad fact. I know this because injuries stopped me from being a top footballer as I got older too - I'd just been hit in the mouth with too many bacon butties :)
We need an experienced beast of a partner for Keane and someone like FuMo (sorry @Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) ) in rotation. Pennington hasn't looked like setting the world alight but I would argue that CB is probably the hardest position for a young player to come in at this level and do well in and the lad should still get some minutes next season, wherever we can safely.
Also - for the shouts about money in the Mexican league - there's plenty according to my source - and most of it is backed by the sort of people you wouldn't want to owe money to...
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I'd keep him. Good luck getting better for 10 mil.
Williams has to go, Jags is reaching his limit and although I think he would be fine with us for another year, it would not help us to delay finding our new best CB pairing. Plus he may consider a move to somewhere like Villa at this point so that he can still play great for someone. He doesn't get many but age makes players more injury prone too - just a sad fact. I know this because injuries stopped me from being a top footballer as I got older too - I'd just been hit in the mouth with too many bacon butties :)
We need an experienced beast of a partner for Keane and someone like FuMo (sorry @Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) ) in rotation. Pennington hasn't looked like setting the world alight but I would argue that CB is probably the hardest position for a young player to come in at this level and do well in and the lad should still get some minutes next season, wherever we can safely.
Also - for the shouts about money in the Mexican league - there's plenty according to my source - and most of it is backed by the sort of people you wouldn't want to owe money to...
Most teams are owned by big business here. In Monterrey for example Tigres are owned by Cemex (Probably the world's largest concrete and aggregates company ) and Rayados (Monterrey) are owned by Femsa... an international branch of Heineken. Collectively they have revenue in excess of $50 billion dollars a year, so not short of few quid. Wages here are the highest in Latin America and at the the top end probably compare favourably to the Premier league mid bracket player. They are a cagey bunch when buying players though, which is why a doubt they will splash the money on Funes Mori. Personally, I don't think we should be selling him either...not until we have bought a couple of replacements centre backs for Jags and Williams.
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We really have let our defensive options degenerate haven't we? In an ideal world you'd want upgrades on most of the players we have available.
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He's literally not good at one single aspect of defending so take the money and run.
We need to buy a new first choice CB to play alongside Keane with Jagielka and Holgate in reserve.
They'll both be decent stand ins if Keane doesn't improve at all until January comes round at least.
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I'd argue with the people who say he's terrible and not a footballer. He's decent, he really is. He's just not good enough to be first choice for us but I would happily have him in rotation.
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Snatch it out of their hand and run. Probably a load of bllcks anyway.
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I'd argue with the people who say he's terrible and not a footballer. He's decent, he really is. He's just not good enough to be first choice for us but I would happily have him in rotation.
The villa away videonis good as well.
I’ll be honest, i went off him massively during his time at us because he has some insanely glaring faults.
However, it’s absolutely shocking the injury problems we’ve had his last 12-18 months.
Mori, Seamus, Baines, McCarthy, Bolasie...ridiculous.
I fully expect us to be looking at a cb of broadly his profile - prem level athleticism and also able to step out of defence a little bit. So hopefully we will get an upgrade in this window...but a LITTLE bit of me is feeling like, is it worth £10m to lose the last bit of athletic ability in the back four?
Think him and Keane would have gone OK, in the same way I think yer man from city and Keane would have been alright. Wouldn’t be surprised if we went back for him actually. Or maybe Zouma..
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What this about “can’t get better for £10m”? So what. I’d rather go out and spend good money on a guaranteed starter, flog this donkey for £10m and spend the best part of that £10m on a 19/20yr old with big potential.
Honestly what’s the point of keeping him? Keeping him around when there’s money on offer is just bananas imo.
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What this about “can’t get better for £10m”? So what? I’d rather go out and spend good money on a guaranteed starter, flog this donkey for £10m and spend The best part of that £10m on a 20yr old with potential.
Honestly what’s the point of keeping him? Keeping him around when there’s money on offer is just bananas imo.
He’s of the age where if a player isn’t guaranteed to start (or first change) then no problem with moving on and trying with someone else.
Goal threat is pretty useless for a CB if you’re only playing 10 games max; and is there a point in using minutes that could develop Holgate (or equivalent).
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He’s of the age where if a player isn’t guaranteed to start (or first change) then no problem with moving on and trying with someone else.
Goal threat is pretty useless for a CB if you’re only playing 10 games max; and is there a point in using minutes that could develop Holgate (or equivalent).
Exactly. Those mins would either be safer in the hands of Jags or aid development of Holgate and/or another prospect. Either way I can’t see a pro in keep Ming him if there’s money on the table. I’d even take a modest loss on him.
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He’s of the age where if a player isn’t guaranteed to start (or first change) then no problem with moving on and trying with someone else.
Goal threat is pretty useless for a CB if you’re only playing 10 games max; and is there a point in using minutes that could develop Holgate (or equivalent).
Is he not demonstrably better than Holgate with superior physical abilities
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Is he not demonstrably better than Holgate with superior physical abilities
Maybe better (I don't think so but maybe). But definitely not by any significant margin.
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Yeah, just if we’re being particularly ruthless re planning for the future, how much time do we invest in 27 year olds who aren’t reliable, whereas there might be an upside in a 21/22 year old who isn’t reliable.
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I think if there are question marks over silvas defensive record (and there is)..that getting a ready made, more experienced defence in place is safer than his ability to coach,/improve young 20-22 year olds.
If the wheels start falling off at the back it will have a significant effect on our midfield pushing forwards.
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Can you imagine if we sell Mori and keep Williams though, kin hell!
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Can you imagine if we sell Mori and keep Williams though, kin hell!
Was just a little bit sick in my mouth there.
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I think if there are question marks over silvas defensive record (and there is)..that getting a ready made, more experienced defence in place is safer than his ability to coach,/improve young 20-22 year olds.
If the wheels start falling off at the back it will have a significant effect on our midfield pushing forwards.
Yes there would be an argument for that if the 27 year old defenders were solid but unspectacular players who you could put out and not worry what they’re going to do, while you concentrate on other areas.
Aside from Jags, we don’t have that. So if we’re left with unreliable older players or unreliable younger players, if we’re being longer term, the latter option is more sensible.
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Yes there would be an argument for that if the 27 year old defenders were solid but unspectacular players who you could put out and not worry what they’re going to do, while you concentrate on other areas.
Aside from Jags, we don’t have that. So if we’re left with unreliable older players or unreliable younger players, if we’re being longer term, the latter option is more sensible.
I think what I'm getting at is that we obviously need to buy in defenders, or do something back there. I personally would like us to spend a decent chunk getting in players in their prime for now. A holgate/Keane partnership makes me want to start breathing into a paper bag.
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I am so surprised at how pedestrian and slow Keane is. Every movement is like a 50 year old man playing a game of football after a running a half marathon the day before.
Would not mind seeing Keane and Williams both go and bring in an outstanding centre half to play alongside Holgate with Mori and Jags as reserve.
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Can you imagine if we sell Mori and keep Williams though, kin hell!
First out the door him
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First out the door him
Yep, hoping one of the promoted teams come in for him
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What this about “can’t get better for £10m”? So what. I’d rather go out and spend good money on a guaranteed starter, flog this donkey for £10m and spend the best part of that £10m on a 19/20yr old with big potential.
Honestly what’s the point of keeping him? Keeping him around when there’s money on offer is just bananas imo.
I agree with you in principle, but CB's of this standard are as hard to get as strikers. I genuinely don't know that we can attract a CB at any price who would be good enough to walk straight into the first team, no risk and play every game.
So my worry is - we sell him for £10M and spend £40M on someone who is really no better.
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I agree with you in principle, but CB's of this standard are as hard to get as strikers. I genuinely don't know that we can attract a CB at any price who would be good enough to walk straight into the first team, no risk and play every game.
So my worry is - we sell him for £10M and spend £40M on someone who is really no better.
10m for an Argie international is a wee bit cheap in today’s market I would have thought
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I agree with you in principle, but CB's of this standard are as hard to get as strikers. I genuinely don't know that we can attract a CB at any price who would be good enough to walk straight into the first team, no risk and play every game.
So my worry is - we sell him for £10M and spend £40M on someone who is really no better.
So you're worried we'll waste the money? That's a different issue, and not a massively convincing argument to keep Funes Mori. It will be interesting to see who Silva/Brands identify to sign in defence.
I'd say we need to be targeting a Davinson Sanchez type. Someone with massive promise in a European league, who might be a bit raw initially.
I'd also persevere with Keane. Still think he can come good in the right defence with the right players around him. Last year was not reflective of his true ability, imo. And since people are giving passes to Klassen etc for a fresh start (rightly), I think Keane should be afforded the same.
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Someone mentioned Zouma. I'd be into that. Like him a lot.
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I am so surprised at how pedestrian and slow Keane is. Every movement is like a 50 year old man playing a game of football after a running a half marathon the day before.
Would not mind seeing Keane and Williams both go and bring in an outstanding centre half to play alongside Holgate with Mori and Jags as reserve.
I have been very disappointed with Keane, but every now and again I think - ok he looks really good here, composed, decent pass and near-dominant in the air.
Worth sticking with I think, but the reality is you probably need a double threat type cb to go next to him - a physical monster who can ball.
Also - worried about judging anyone based on only what I’ve seen over the last 12 months of hot garbage.
Edit: however, you can function in this league with shite cbs, but you absolutely need superstars up top & quality in CM, that should be our top priority!
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Didn't someone mention that Keane was having some mental problems as well? His confidence was rock bottom, hopefully a new manager, new training regime and a strong dominant partner in central defence will get him back to his best.
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Keane is a very, very good passer of the ball.
He could flourish under somebody like Silva, but could also be over exposed.
Need an athletic brute of a type next to him I think.
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I read somewhere our centre backs accumulated just 2 goals between them this season just gone - if that is correct it is massively disappointing.
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I read somewhere our centre backs accumulated just 2 goals between them this season just gone - if that is correct it is massively disappointing.
Could be right that but then we weren't exactly creating many chances for our attacking players never mind our defenders.
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Could be right that but then we weren't exactly creating many chances for our attacking players never mind our defenders.
Relegated in the "corners won league" to boot :eh:
http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_corners
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Relegated in the "corners won league" to boot :eh:
http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_corners
You’ve got to have the ball in the opposition half to win a corner
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Keane is a very, very good passer of the ball.
He could flourish under somebody like Silva, but could also be over exposed.
Need an athletic brute of a type next to him I think.
As much as we need to surround him with pace he still needs to step up to the plate himself and work on his physical attributes. For a professional athlete of 25 years old his athletic ability is shockingly poor. Whether he forks out for a personal fitness coach to maybe work on his power and acceleration off the mark or other mobility improvements he needs to do something, as I've not seen as leaden footed footballer as him for a long time.
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Also - worried about judging anyone based on only what I’ve seen over the last 12 months of hot garbage.
This.
Also - can we have Lemos please Mr Moshiri?
I would be delighted with Lemos, Zouma, Keane, Funes Mori, Pennington as CB's.
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Shame Sergio Ramos is 32 and not 36, I'd sign him on a big contract just for the LOLs.
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It's still annoying we never saw much of Holgate playing next to Keane, to see if they could develop any kind of chemistry together.
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Keane only ever looked OK with Jags alongside him. It was a disaster with Williams.
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Keane only ever looked OK with Jags alongside him. It was a disaster with Williams.
the lack of pace. Holgate also had enough pace, one would think.
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the lack of pace. Holgate also had enough pace, one would think.
But not the experience to spot when Keane is going to get done and get round on the cover like Jags does so well.
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Keane is a very, very good passer of the ball.
He could flourish under somebody like Silva, but could also be over exposed.
Need an athletic brute of a type next to him I think.
Yet to see this myself. He looks very awkward whenever he gets it. He's not mobile and has no pace. I'd cut our losses and look for someone better.
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Yet to see this myself. He looks very awkward whenever he gets it. He's not mobile and has no pace. I'd cut our losses and look for someone better.
Every now and again he has it in the locker. Saw footballfactman say at one point Keane was ranking highest on his passing model for our CB’s - hard to know what’s getting attributed to what there but I do think there are the bones of a proficient ball playing CB there...
As I say though, I have been really disappointed. Looks a way off the level we need him at and the talk of his head going was really worrying.
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Every now and again he has it in the locker. Saw footballfactman say at one point Keane was ranking highest on his passing model for our CB’s - hard to know what’s getting attributed to what there but I do think there are the bones of a proficient ball playing CB there...
As I say though, I have been really disappointed. Looks a way off the level we need him at and the talk of his head going was really worrying.
Fair enough if he was but surely we shouldn't be comparing our CBs with each other. They're all well below the standard we need. I'd keep Holgate because he's got time on his side and has potential. Other than that, I wouldn't be sad to see any of them go.
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Poorest group of centre halves at the club for as long as I can remember.
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Poorest group of centre halves at the club for as long as I can remember.
If Jags, Baines and Williams were 5 years younger I’d be happy with what we have along with the lads we have.
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Poorest group of centre halves at the club for as long as I can remember.
Defo since the Smith years, or kendall mk 3