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Title: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Waltzer on May 25, 2018, 09:52:14 PM
Ramiro Funes Mori is in talks to join Mexican club Monterrey, in claims reported across the country on Friday.

The Everton defenderís twin brother Rogelio (pictured below) plays for the club as a striker, and itís thought thatís a large reason behind Romero being interested in the move.

La Aficion, a newspaper local to Monterrey, have the most detail. They say Funes Mori is in negotiations to join the Liga MX side.

Itís described as a ĎSouth American bombí of a signing, and thereís some confidence a deal could be done. The Everton player knows all about the city via his brother, who has been with Monterrey since 2015.

Talks have been initiated at club level, and itís claimed the response from Goodison Park was Ďpositiveí. Everton are willing to let the player go as long as Monterrey meet the asking price. That figure is put at $10m, which works out to be just over £10m, and the Mexicans would in principle be willing to pay thatÖ but have worries over the playerís recovery from injury.

A source close to the situation is quoted as saying: ďThey already had the first contact, everything indicates that it will be positive. Ramiro wants to play, to have continuity and he was not happy that in the end he didnít have the minutes he feels he needed to go to the World Cup. Rogelio has talked about Rayados (the clubís nickname), he knows Mexico, Monterrey and he sees it with good eyes.Ē

In April, Funes Mori told Argentine newspaper Ole: ďI asked the coach to play me because Iím playing for a place to go to the World Cup. Iím fine and I hope I can play these games. I spoke with Rooney to tell the coach to put me on, heís the captain and I told him so. He told me he was going to pass it on. I will do everything possible to go.Ē

Mexican football is a big deal, Monterrey get an average attendance of around 45,000 and the countryís biggest clubs can pay wages to attract players from Europe. Funes Mori would likely have to go through an extended medical to prove heís fully recovered from his knee injury.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Bluedylan on May 25, 2018, 09:55:19 PM
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Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: kramer0 on May 25, 2018, 09:57:21 PM
Sold.

I understand why some people like him but I'm never getting on board with a centre back this rash.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Alanvideo on May 25, 2018, 09:59:12 PM
One of my favourite Sinatra songs:

............................it's not often I agree with you  8)
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: blue slug on May 25, 2018, 09:59:35 PM
Sold.

I understand why some people like him but I'm never getting on board with a centre back this rash.

agree, we have to many average/poor centre backs so need to get rid of Williams and mori and get in two quality replacements
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Bluedylan on May 25, 2018, 10:02:03 PM
............................it's not often I agree with you  8)

Let love into your heart, Al. It's the only way.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: gizzblue on May 25, 2018, 10:21:03 PM
Keep him till we are sure Williams is gone at minimum ....take him all day over the useless( Vauxhall conference at best )Williams .

Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 25, 2018, 10:21:32 PM
Has a Mexican side got that type of money?
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Gash on May 25, 2018, 10:22:15 PM
I like him in a daft, brain fart sort of way but I wouldn't be too bothered if we got rid of him. Still has too many "school level" errors and misjudgements and he's not at an age you can coach that out of him.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 25, 2018, 10:26:23 PM
SELL, SELL... before they change their minds. Never good enough for us really and a bit of a sly cunt with the tackles too.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 25, 2018, 10:26:32 PM
Keep him till we are sure Williams is gone at minimum ....take him all day over the useless( Vauxhall conference at best )Williams .



I know Williams is decidedly unpopular but Iím not sure he was any worse than Keane this season. Our best centre half by a distance is jagielka whoís on his last legs. We possibly need 4 new 1s
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Free Agent on May 25, 2018, 10:28:37 PM
How does $10m equate to just over £10m?
 :bonk:
I hope they meant $15m
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: blue slug on May 25, 2018, 10:30:27 PM
Has a Mexican side got that type of money?

if they're owned by El Chapo they will have lol
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Gash on May 25, 2018, 10:30:32 PM
I know Williams is decidedly unpopular but Iím not sure he was any worse than Keane this season. Our best centre half by a distance is jagielka whoís on his last legs. We possibly need 4 new 1s

Jags legs are fine, he just isn't able to do 40 games a season but he showed on plenty occasions that in a straight sprint with other players he's still got a good bit of pace about him.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 25, 2018, 10:36:09 PM
Jags legs are fine, he just isn't able to do 40 games a season but he showed on plenty occasions that in a straight sprint with other players he's still got a good bit of pace about him.

Agree just meant he was old and didnít have many seasons left.

Think weíve got to hope a whole list of players come good under a different manager. Itís a massive job rebuilding if the likes of Sandro, Keane, klassen donít improve vastly
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: brap2 on May 25, 2018, 10:36:35 PM
Better than Keane, but yeah, way too rash & brainless.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 25, 2018, 10:48:18 PM
Brands in, Rooney out, Funes-Mori out. Itís been a month of smart moves from the club.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Mac934 on May 25, 2018, 10:52:17 PM
We are going to need some centre halves then, Jags can't go on forever, Mason needs time, Keane, not sure of, Williams, bye bye also. Interesting times ahead, just like last close season, hopefully this time we'll get it right... Please :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2018, 12:04:49 AM
Statistically the centre back most likely to be playing for us while we keep a clean sheet over the last two seasons.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 26, 2018, 01:09:29 AM
Can't imagine a Mexican club having 10m to spend on a centre half.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: dekko on May 26, 2018, 01:24:43 AM
Stupid to sell now. Wait for the World Cup to finish, he might have a great one and his price inflated like crazy.
Iíd rather get rid of Williams, they can have him for free.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: GLewis on May 26, 2018, 01:25:55 AM
Stupid to sell now. Wait for the World Cup to finish, he might have a great one and his price inflated like crazy.
Iíd rather get rid of Williams, they can have him for free.

Not been picked!
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Moshdosh5 on May 26, 2018, 01:27:12 AM
Stupid to sell now. Wait for the World Cup to finish, he might have a great one and his price inflated like crazy.
Iíd rather get rid of Williams, they can have him for free.
I don't think he made the Argentina squad ?
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Waltzer on May 26, 2018, 01:34:20 AM
I get that he isn't the greatest cb in the world,  but I also think we'd do well to get better for 10million. 
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Alanvideo on May 26, 2018, 01:44:35 AM
Imagine having Robles ,Martina ,Keane ,Stones ,Funes-Mori at the back .The phrase , rabbits caught in headlights springs to mind  :eh:
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Cods on May 26, 2018, 02:17:21 AM
Can't imagine a Mexican club having 10m to spend on a centre half.
Agreed, Monterrey is apparently the richest city in Latin America though and their squad is more expensive than most.

Iíd swap for their stadium, no?

http://www.arch2o.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Arch2O-BBVA-BANCOMER-Stadium-Populous-19.jpg
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Lxxx on May 26, 2018, 02:20:02 AM
Makes you wonder who and how we scouted him. Our scouting setup under that clown was amateur at best.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Cassius on May 26, 2018, 02:46:14 AM
I'd keep him just to piss off the Shite's fans to be honest.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Martip on May 26, 2018, 03:20:54 AM
Keane and Williams surely should be shifted before him. He's not great though.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 26, 2018, 03:47:41 AM
Makes you wonder who and how we scouted him. Our scouting setup under that clown was amateur at best.

Especially since we passed on signing the Dutch lad from Celtic

<throws up into bucket>
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Shogun on May 26, 2018, 03:56:01 AM
See big Enner is doing well in Mexico
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Lxxx on May 26, 2018, 04:17:16 AM
Especially since we passed on signing the Dutch lad from Celtic

<throws up into bucket>

Aye. Three defenders were available that window and three clubs needed one. West Brom got Jonny Evans, Southampton got Van Dijk and we....
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Gash on May 26, 2018, 04:22:06 AM
Aye. Three defenders were available that window and three clubs needed one. West Brom got Jonny Evans, Southampton got Van Dijk and we....

...got our pants pulled down for nearly double the original fee.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 26, 2018, 04:24:27 AM
...got out pants pulled down for nearly double the original fee.

God that story gets worse the more you recollect.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Lxxx on May 26, 2018, 04:32:38 AM
...got out pants pulled down for nearly double the original fee.

........waits for someone to say 'Everton that'.....
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: howard1334 on May 26, 2018, 11:36:35 AM
I like Funes Mori. Very few of his mistakes have actually led to goals against.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: MexicanToffee on May 26, 2018, 11:36:56 AM
Can't see Rayados spending 10 million quid on Funes Mori. They have just sacked their coach and 200 million pesos on an average centre back would be a lot for them. Most Rayado fans I talk to don't think he'll be coming unless it's for a real knock down price.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Confucius on May 26, 2018, 12:37:53 PM
I would want to leave too if I have a chance of going tot he World Cup and then donít get played in the last 10-12 games of a meaningless season.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2018, 04:40:46 PM
would keep him until we get the replacements we badly need at the back..
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: TrevorSteven on May 28, 2018, 06:38:09 PM
What - isnīt he already gone? :)

I think it is some names in our squadlist that I just forgot and donīt think actually still are there, like:

Mirallas
Funes Mori
Williams
McCarthy
Besic
Galloway
Kenny
Browning

And because of that - all of these players can be sold together with: Robles, Stekeleenburg, Calvert-Lewin, Vlasic, Tosun, Sigurdsson, Martina and Niasse. :)
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: TheRam on May 28, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
What - isnīt he already gone? :)

I think it is some names in our squadlist that I just forgot and donīt think actually still are there, like:

Mirallas
Funes Mori
Williams
McCarthy
Besic
Galloway
Kenny
Browning

And because of that - all of these players can be sold together with: Robles, Stekeleenburg, Calvert-Lewin, Vlasic, Tosun, Sigurdsson, Martina and Niasse. :)

Canít be selling 16 players.

Whatís wrong with Kenny, DCL, Vlasic?
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 28, 2018, 07:55:35 PM
What - isnīt he already gone? :)

I think it is some names in our squadlist that I just forgot and donīt think actually still are there, like:

Mirallas
Funes Mori
Williams
McCarthy
Besic
Galloway
Kenny
Browning

And because of that - all of these players can be sold together with: Robles, Stekeleenburg, Calvert-Lewin, Vlasic, Tosun, Sigurdsson, Martina and Niasse. :)

Haha you absolute mad man.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: blargins on May 28, 2018, 08:04:06 PM
Would rather keep him and get rid of Williams instead.

Can't see us losing Jags, Williams, Keane and Mori all in one summer. Need at least some continuity.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 28, 2018, 08:23:32 PM
Keep jags and Keane. No brainier imo.

Brainier lolol is it just me or is autocorrect breaking balls more frequently these days?
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: blargins on May 28, 2018, 08:26:02 PM
While you do have the possibility of a mistake with Mori, you at least have a goal threat too. None of our other defenders find the net as regularly as he has.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: blueski on May 28, 2018, 08:30:22 PM
sell only cb with pace that we've got?

seems unwise and will put a lot of pressure on getting someone who can cope in quickly - not saying hes all that but at least if we bring in someone for the position he can be cover or start the first few games while our new signing is getting his legs.

just how many centre halves do we think we can buy this summer? - we play with jags, williams and keane and we will be right back where we were last season or worse, my friends - can't see us bringing in 3 quality additions at this position this summer
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 28, 2018, 08:32:22 PM
sell only cb with pace that we've got?

seems unwise and will put a lot of pressure on getting someone who can cope in quickly - not saying hes all that but at least if we bring in someone for the position he can be cover or start the first few games while our new signing is getting his legs.

just how many centre halves do we think we can buy this summer? - we play with jags, williams and keane and we will be right back where we were last season or worse, my friends - can't see us bringing in 3 quality additions at this position this summer


Jags has pace.

Neither of them should be starting every week so itís a case of pick a player you trust to play those dozen games a season.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: blueski on May 29, 2018, 12:08:31 AM
Jags has pace.

Neither of them should be starting every week so itís a case of pick a player you trust to play those dozen games a season.
had; got no complaints on him but he is reaching the top limit of where he can be relied on in terms of his age

if we want to play better / more expansive football higher up the pitch we will need pace at the back, williams and keane will get skinned alive

if we are starting williams and / or keane we may as well have allardyce because we are going to have to sit deep
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 29, 2018, 12:45:49 AM
had; got no complaints on him but he is reaching the top limit of where he can be relied on in terms of his age

if we want to play better / more expansive football higher up the pitch we will need pace at the back, williams and keane will get skinned alive

if we are starting williams and / or keane we may as well have allardyce because we are going to have to sit deep

Iíd rather have jags than mori for a dozen games. Whichever one it is will likely be gone 6/12months after the other one anyway. Bar Coleman I canít see any of them staying around longer than next season.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Goaljira on May 29, 2018, 01:21:21 AM
Iíd rather have jags than mori for a dozen games. Whichever one it is will likely be gone 6/12months after the other one anyway. Bar Coleman I canít see any of them staying around longer than next season.

Bar Coleman could be an Irish bar at Bramley Moore.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Alanvideo on May 29, 2018, 01:47:24 AM
Bar Coleman could be an Irish bar at Bramley Moore.
.............nice one  :cheers:
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Toddacelli on May 29, 2018, 02:25:52 PM
I'd keep him. Good luck getting better for 10 mil.

Williams has to go, Jags is reaching his limit and although I think he would be fine with us for another year, it would not help us to delay finding our new best CB pairing. Plus he may consider a move to somewhere like Villa at this point so that he can still play great for someone. He doesn't get many but age makes players more injury prone too - just a sad fact. I know this because injuries stopped me from being a top footballer as I got older too - I'd just been hit in the mouth with too many bacon butties :)

We need an experienced beast of a partner for Keane and someone like FuMo (sorry @Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) ) in rotation. Pennington hasn't looked like setting the world alight but I would argue that CB is probably the hardest position for a young player to come in at this level and do well in and the lad should still get some minutes next season, wherever we can safely.

Also - for the shouts about money in the Mexican league - there's plenty according to my source - and most of it is backed by the sort of people you wouldn't want to owe money to...
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: MexicanToffee on May 29, 2018, 05:36:33 PM
I'd keep him. Good luck getting better for 10 mil.

Williams has to go, Jags is reaching his limit and although I think he would be fine with us for another year, it would not help us to delay finding our new best CB pairing. Plus he may consider a move to somewhere like Villa at this point so that he can still play great for someone. He doesn't get many but age makes players more injury prone too - just a sad fact. I know this because injuries stopped me from being a top footballer as I got older too - I'd just been hit in the mouth with too many bacon butties :)

We need an experienced beast of a partner for Keane and someone like FuMo (sorry @Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) ) in rotation. Pennington hasn't looked like setting the world alight but I would argue that CB is probably the hardest position for a young player to come in at this level and do well in and the lad should still get some minutes next season, wherever we can safely.

Also - for the shouts about money in the Mexican league - there's plenty according to my source - and most of it is backed by the sort of people you wouldn't want to owe money to...

Most teams are owned by big business here. In Monterrey for example Tigres are owned by Cemex (Probably the world's largest concrete and aggregates company ) and Rayados (Monterrey) are owned by Femsa... an international branch of Heineken. Collectively they have revenue in excess of $50 billion dollars a year, so not short of few quid. Wages here are the highest in Latin America and at the the top end probably compare favourably to the Premier league mid bracket player. They are a cagey bunch when buying players though, which is why a doubt they will splash the money on Funes Mori. Personally, I don't think we should be selling him either...not until we have bought a couple of replacements centre backs for Jags and Williams.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 06:09:39 PM
We really have let our defensive options degenerate haven't we? In an ideal world you'd want upgrades on most of the players we have available. 
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Bluenose 91 on May 29, 2018, 06:29:41 PM
He's literally not good at one single aspect of defending so take the money and run.

We need to buy a new first choice CB to play alongside Keane with Jagielka and Holgate in reserve.

They'll both be decent stand ins if Keane doesn't improve at all until January comes round at least.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Toddacelli on May 29, 2018, 07:39:26 PM

I'd argue with the people who say he's terrible and not a footballer. He's decent, he really is. He's just not good enough to be first choice for us but I would happily have him in rotation.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: everton1952 on May 30, 2018, 12:05:43 AM
Snatch it out of their hand and run. Probably a load of bllcks anyway.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: brap2 on May 30, 2018, 02:49:49 AM

I'd argue with the people who say he's terrible and not a footballer. He's decent, he really is. He's just not good enough to be first choice for us but I would happily have him in rotation.

The villa away videonis good as well.

Iíll be honest, i went off him massively during his time at us because he has some insanely glaring faults.

However, itís absolutely shocking the injury problems weíve had his last 12-18 months.

Mori, Seamus, Baines, McCarthy, Bolasie...ridiculous.

I fully expect us to be looking at a cb of broadly his profile - prem level athleticism and also able to step out of defence a little bit. So hopefully we will get an upgrade in this window...but a LITTLE bit of me is feeling like, is it worth £10m to lose the last bit of athletic ability in the back four?

Think him and Keane would have gone OK, in the same way I think yer man from city and Keane would have been alright. Wouldnít be surprised if we went back for him actually. Or maybe Zouma..
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 30, 2018, 03:29:52 AM
What this about ďcanít get better for £10mĒ? So what. Iíd rather go out and spend good money on a guaranteed starter, flog this donkey for £10m and spend the best part of that £10m on a 19/20yr old with big potential.

Honestly whatís the point of keeping him? Keeping him around when thereís money on offer is just bananas imo.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: GLewis on May 30, 2018, 03:32:47 AM
What this about ďcanít get better for £10mĒ? So what? Iíd rather go out and spend good money on a guaranteed starter, flog this donkey for £10m and spend The best part of that £10m on a 20yr old with potential.

Honestly whatís the point of keeping him? Keeping him around when thereís money on offer is just bananas imo.

Heís of the age where if a player isnít guaranteed to start (or first change) then no problem with moving on and trying with someone else.

Goal threat is pretty useless for a CB if youíre only playing 10 games max; and is there a point in using minutes that could develop Holgate (or equivalent).
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 30, 2018, 04:14:58 AM
Heís of the age where if a player isnít guaranteed to start (or first change) then no problem with moving on and trying with someone else.

Goal threat is pretty useless for a CB if youíre only playing 10 games max; and is there a point in using minutes that could develop Holgate (or equivalent).

Exactly. Those mins would either be safer in the hands of Jags or aid development of Holgate and/or another prospect. Either way I canít see a pro in keep Ming him if thereís money on the table. Iíd even take a modest loss on him.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: brap2 on May 30, 2018, 05:37:39 AM
Heís of the age where if a player isnít guaranteed to start (or first change) then no problem with moving on and trying with someone else.

Goal threat is pretty useless for a CB if youíre only playing 10 games max; and is there a point in using minutes that could develop Holgate (or equivalent).

Is he not demonstrably better than Holgate with superior physical abilities
Title: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: kramer0 on May 30, 2018, 07:00:49 AM
Is he not demonstrably better than Holgate with superior physical abilities

Maybe better (I don't think so but maybe). But definitely not by any significant margin.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: GLewis on May 30, 2018, 01:09:19 PM
Yeah, just if weíre being particularly ruthless re planning for the future, how much time do we invest in 27 year olds who arenít reliable, whereas there might be an upside in a 21/22 year old who isnít reliable.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: dunkster on May 30, 2018, 01:37:26 PM
I think if there are question marks over silvas defensive record (and there is)..that getting a ready made, more experienced defence in place is safer than his ability to coach,/improve young 20-22 year olds.
If the wheels start falling off at the back it will have a significant effect on our midfield pushing forwards.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Macca77 on May 30, 2018, 02:17:01 PM
Can you imagine if we sell Mori and keep Williams though, kin hell!
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: dunkster on May 30, 2018, 02:27:56 PM
Can you imagine if we sell Mori and keep Williams though, kin hell!

Was just a little bit sick in my mouth there.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: GLewis on May 30, 2018, 02:48:43 PM
I think if there are question marks over silvas defensive record (and there is)..that getting a ready made, more experienced defence in place is safer than his ability to coach,/improve young 20-22 year olds.
If the wheels start falling off at the back it will have a significant effect on our midfield pushing forwards.

Yes there would be an argument for that if the 27 year old defenders were solid but unspectacular players who you could put out and not worry what theyíre going to do, while you concentrate on other areas.

Aside from Jags, we donít have that. So if weíre left with unreliable older players or unreliable younger players, if weíre being longer term, the latter option is more sensible.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: dunkster on May 30, 2018, 03:04:50 PM
Yes there would be an argument for that if the 27 year old defenders were solid but unspectacular players who you could put out and not worry what theyíre going to do, while you concentrate on other areas.

Aside from Jags, we donít have that. So if weíre left with unreliable older players or unreliable younger players, if weíre being longer term, the latter option is more sensible.

I think what I'm getting at is that we obviously need to buy in defenders, or do something back there. I personally would like us to spend a decent chunk getting in players in their prime for now. A holgate/Keane partnership makes me want to start breathing into a paper bag.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Juanito on May 30, 2018, 03:16:50 PM
I am so surprised at how pedestrian and slow Keane is. Every movement is like a 50 year old man playing a game of football after a running a half marathon the day before.

Would not mind seeing Keane and Williams both go and bring in an outstanding centre half to play alongside Holgate with Mori and Jags as reserve.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 30, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
Can you imagine if we sell Mori and keep Williams though, kin hell!
First out the door him
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Macca77 on May 30, 2018, 03:52:35 PM
First out the door him

Yep, hoping one of the promoted teams come in for him
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Toddacelli on May 30, 2018, 05:23:03 PM
What this about ďcanít get better for £10mĒ? So what. Iíd rather go out and spend good money on a guaranteed starter, flog this donkey for £10m and spend the best part of that £10m on a 19/20yr old with big potential.

Honestly whatís the point of keeping him? Keeping him around when thereís money on offer is just bananas imo.

I agree with you in principle, but CB's of this standard are as hard to get as strikers. I genuinely don't know that we can attract a CB at any price who would be good enough to walk straight into the first team, no risk and play every game.
So my worry is - we sell him for £10M and spend £40M on someone who is really no better.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Ramjam on May 30, 2018, 05:25:16 PM
I agree with you in principle, but CB's of this standard are as hard to get as strikers. I genuinely don't know that we can attract a CB at any price who would be good enough to walk straight into the first team, no risk and play every game.
So my worry is - we sell him for £10M and spend £40M on someone who is really no better.
10m for an Argie international is a wee bit cheap in todayís market I would have thought
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Bluedylan on May 30, 2018, 05:28:40 PM
I agree with you in principle, but CB's of this standard are as hard to get as strikers. I genuinely don't know that we can attract a CB at any price who would be good enough to walk straight into the first team, no risk and play every game.
So my worry is - we sell him for £10M and spend £40M on someone who is really no better.

So you're worried we'll waste the money? That's a different issue, and not a massively convincing argument to keep Funes Mori. It will be interesting to see who Silva/Brands identify to sign in defence.

I'd say we need to be targeting a Davinson Sanchez type. Someone with massive promise in a European league, who might be a bit raw initially.

I'd also persevere with Keane. Still think he can come good in the right defence with the right players around him. Last year was not reflective of his true ability, imo. And since people are giving passes to Klassen etc for a fresh start (rightly), I think Keane should be afforded the same.

Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Toddacelli on May 30, 2018, 05:31:53 PM
Someone mentioned Zouma. I'd be into that. Like him a lot.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: brap2 on May 30, 2018, 06:08:51 PM
I am so surprised at how pedestrian and slow Keane is. Every movement is like a 50 year old man playing a game of football after a running a half marathon the day before.

Would not mind seeing Keane and Williams both go and bring in an outstanding centre half to play alongside Holgate with Mori and Jags as reserve.

I have been very disappointed with Keane, but every now and again I think - ok he looks really good here, composed, decent pass and near-dominant in the air.

Worth sticking with I think, but the reality is you probably need a double threat type cb to go next to him - a physical monster who can ball.

Also - worried about judging anyone based on only what I’ve seen over the last 12 months of hot garbage.

Edit: however, you can function in this league with shite cbs, but you absolutely need superstars up top & quality in CM, that should be our top priority!
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Macca77 on May 30, 2018, 06:33:50 PM
Didn't someone mention that Keane was having some mental problems as well? His confidence was rock bottom, hopefully a new manager, new training regime and a strong dominant partner in central defence will get him back to his best.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: TheRam on May 30, 2018, 06:39:51 PM
Keane is a very, very good passer of the ball.

He could flourish under somebody like Silva, but could also be over exposed.

Need an athletic brute of a type next to him I think.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: chang on May 30, 2018, 06:51:46 PM
I read somewhere our centre backs accumulated just 2 goals between them this season just gone - if that is correct it is massively disappointing.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Gash on May 30, 2018, 07:08:55 PM
I read somewhere our centre backs accumulated just 2 goals between them this season just gone - if that is correct it is massively disappointing.

Could be right that but then we weren't exactly creating many chances for our attacking players never mind our defenders.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: chang on May 30, 2018, 07:24:25 PM
Could be right that but then we weren't exactly creating many chances for our attacking players never mind our defenders.

Relegated in the "corners won league" to boot  :eh:

http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_corners
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: brap2 on May 30, 2018, 09:02:37 PM
Relegated in the "corners won league" to boot  :eh:

http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_corners

Youíve got to have the ball in the opposition half to win a corner
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Lxxx on May 30, 2018, 10:21:38 PM
Keane is a very, very good passer of the ball.

He could flourish under somebody like Silva, but could also be over exposed.

Need an athletic brute of a type next to him I think.

As much as we need to surround him with pace he still needs to step up to the plate himself and work on his physical attributes. For a professional athlete of 25 years old his athletic ability is shockingly poor. Whether he forks out for a personal fitness coach to maybe work on his power and acceleration off the mark or other mobility improvements he needs to do something, as I've not seen as leaden footed footballer as him for a long time. 
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Toddacelli on May 30, 2018, 10:25:19 PM
Also - worried about judging anyone based on only what Iíve seen over the last 12 months of hot garbage.

This.

Also - can we have Lemos please Mr Moshiri?

I would be delighted with Lemos, Zouma, Keane, Funes Mori, Pennington as CB's.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on May 30, 2018, 10:31:24 PM
Shame Sergio Ramos is 32 and not 36, I'd sign him on a big contract just for the LOLs.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 30, 2018, 10:39:40 PM
It's still annoying we never saw much of Holgate playing next to Keane, to see if they could develop any kind of chemistry together.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: griff969 on May 30, 2018, 10:48:25 PM
Keane only ever looked OK with Jags alongside him. It was a disaster with Williams.

Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 30, 2018, 10:57:33 PM
Keane only ever looked OK with Jags alongside him. It was a disaster with Williams.



the lack of pace.  Holgate also had enough pace, one would think.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Lxxx on May 31, 2018, 03:06:12 PM
the lack of pace.  Holgate also had enough pace, one would think.

But not the experience to spot when Keane is going to get done and get round on the cover like Jags does so well.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 31, 2018, 04:11:57 PM
Keane is a very, very good passer of the ball.

He could flourish under somebody like Silva, but could also be over exposed.

Need an athletic brute of a type next to him I think.

Yet to see this myself. He looks very awkward whenever he gets it. He's not mobile and has no pace. I'd cut our losses and look for someone better.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: brap2 on May 31, 2018, 04:31:40 PM
Yet to see this myself. He looks very awkward whenever he gets it. He's not mobile and has no pace. I'd cut our losses and look for someone better.

Every now and again he has it in the locker. Saw footballfactman say at one point Keane was ranking highest on his passing model for our CB’s - hard to know what’s getting attributed to what there but I do think there are the bones of a proficient ball playing CB there...

As I say though, I have been really disappointed. Looks a way off the level we need him at and the talk of his head going was really worrying.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 31, 2018, 04:37:42 PM
Every now and again he has it in the locker. Saw footballfactman say at one point Keane was ranking highest on his passing model for our CBís - hard to know whatís getting attributed to what there but I do think there are the bones of a proficient ball playing CB there...

As I say though, I have been really disappointed. Looks a way off the level we need him at and the talk of his head going was really worrying.

Fair enough if he was but surely we shouldn't be comparing our CBs with each other. They're all well below the standard we need. I'd keep Holgate because he's got time on his side and has potential. Other than that, I wouldn't be sad to see any of them go.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Lxxx on May 31, 2018, 05:12:43 PM
Poorest group of centre halves at the club for as long as I can remember.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Ramjam on May 31, 2018, 05:16:39 PM
Poorest group of centre halves at the club for as long as I can remember.
If Jags, Baines and Williams were 5 years younger Iíd be happy with what we have along with the lads we have.
Title: Re: Ramiro Funes Mori in talks to leave Everton, £10m deal
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 31, 2018, 09:30:00 PM
Poorest group of centre halves at the club for as long as I can remember.
Defo since the Smith years, or kendall mk 3