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Title: Tosun
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2018, 03:48:13 AM
What's gone on here

https://twitter.com/yosi1905/status/1002634752665575430
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Shogun on June 02, 2018, 03:49:31 AM
Good to see Ferguson having an influence.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: sam of the south on June 02, 2018, 03:52:55 AM
Heís doing that Turkish throat-slitting motion that those Galatasary supporters did to the Leeds mob back inít day.

Itís cute, I like it.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Brownie on June 02, 2018, 03:54:46 AM
Scored, sent off and had a huge Barney with some bloke in the stand who apparently slagged off his mam
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2018, 03:59:08 AM
Quote
Turkish Football
@Turkish_Futbol1
 Cenk Tosun lost the plot after a fan swore/hurled abuse at his father/family. Ended up arguing with the fan & getting sent off

20:45 - 1 Jun 2018

Nowt that bad. Just one of them things.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Alanvideo on June 02, 2018, 04:07:10 AM
Tosun off ?
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: pjk on June 02, 2018, 04:09:32 AM
Bit of a lad is Tosun Pasha :)



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44282472
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Ramjam on June 02, 2018, 04:11:51 AM
Bit of a lad is Tosun Pasha :)



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44282472
First name on the team sheet for the derby
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 02, 2018, 04:14:53 AM
Seems a bit cuntish by the ref?
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Lxxx on June 02, 2018, 04:24:05 AM
Weíve lacked a few snides in the team for years. Anyone who gets sent off for sticking up for his mam mid-game gets a thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: pjk on June 02, 2018, 04:54:01 AM
I honestly think we've bought a quality goalscorer. He just keeps on putting them away. A lot of his goals are the sort continental strikers score. And it's not such a bad thing him having a bit of fire in him.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2018, 05:00:56 AM
https://twitter.com/laurajane1212/status/1002663188457050112
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2018, 05:05:27 AM
He's a fucking hero

https://twitter.com/Turkish_Futbol1/status/1002657594346037248
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2018, 05:32:13 AM
HES SOUND
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 02, 2018, 05:34:07 AM
Love this lad
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: gizzblue on June 02, 2018, 05:40:31 AM
Good lad ,we would all do the fucking same ....in that scenario.

Can't wait to see this fella hit the ground running next season in our  alleged attacking side ....he must be made up he won't be 30 yards from the rest of the team under Silva .
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 02, 2018, 05:43:02 AM
apparently was pretty bonkers for a friendly!  Made $400 America-quid thanks to that late equalizer ($50 at +800), had they got the winner too, I would have made $7,500 (another $50 at +15000).

Hey, don't laugh, I hit almost the exact same bet on a Uruguayan Primera Division match yesterday.  :D

/fuck, am I ready for the World Cup to start
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: irishtoffee on June 02, 2018, 06:48:33 AM
Was it Turkish or Tunisian fans he was going for
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Major Clanger on June 02, 2018, 06:52:31 AM
Seems a bit cuntish by the ref?

Nah, it's entirely fair. Friendly or not, this is a nailed on sending off.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: howard1334 on June 02, 2018, 09:19:02 AM
Nah, it's entirely fair. Friendly or not, this is a nailed on sending off.

Yeah; kind of situation where you can understand Tosun's reaction (albeit the throat slitting gesture was a pretty bad look), but he needed to be sent off. Can't sanction player v. fan interactions of that sort by letting him off, no matter the justification.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2018, 03:19:38 PM
apparently was pretty bonkers for a friendly!  Made $400 America-quid thanks to that late equalizer ($50 at +800), had they got the winner too, I would have made $7,500 (another $50 at +15000).

Hey, don't laugh, I hit almost the exact same bet on a Uruguayan Primera Division match yesterday.  :D

/fuck, am I ready for the World Cup to start

You do some mad bets you, seem to come off tho.

Bet you spend all kinds during the WC
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 02, 2018, 05:53:54 PM
https://twitter.com/Turkish_Futbol1/status/1002860971382263808
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: dchans on June 02, 2018, 06:59:35 PM
apparently was pretty bonkers for a friendly!  Made $400 America-quid thanks to that late equalizer ($50 at +800), had they got the winner too, I would have made $7,500 (another $50 at +15000).

Hey, don't laugh, I hit almost the exact same bet on a Uruguayan Primera Division match yesterday.  :D

/fuck, am I ready for the World Cup to start

Made 14/1 on a free £50 for the UCL final at 3:1 Madrid - what you going for in the WC?
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 02, 2018, 08:52:06 PM
Made 14/1 on a free £50 for the UCL final at 3:1 Madrid - what you going for in the WC?

Colombia to win (+4500) and to make the final (+1300) (my prediction is them against Belgium).  Also put a few Ameriquid down on Belgium (+1200, down to +950 now) and one uber long-shot in Costa Rica (+20000) as well.  Hey, best keeper! 

Haven't bet any groups yet, may do that in the days leading up now that I have a little more coin to play around with.

Oh, and small bets on Big Rom (+1350) and Him-ez (+6000) for top scorer.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: dchans on June 02, 2018, 10:16:36 PM
Good calls - have 100 Anglo dollars on each group winner to return 6700...😳
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2018, 12:02:00 AM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/1002880444734504960
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 03, 2018, 12:06:43 AM
is the poor lad getting a bunch of shit on social media for this or sommet?  Seems perfectly understandable a reaction to me.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Ramjam on June 03, 2018, 07:58:16 AM
Clearly shows what Duncan is teaching him in training🤣🤣
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 03, 2018, 06:25:23 PM
Respect to Tosun.

anyone would  have done the same if they saw their father being attacked. (or thought they saw him being attacked.. same goes for mother also, or any member of family)
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 04, 2018, 05:59:17 PM
20+ PL goals for our Cenk next year.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Ramjam on June 04, 2018, 06:03:26 PM
20+ PL goals for our Cenk next year.
Is that based on his threats towards a fan?
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 04, 2018, 06:04:41 PM
Is that based on his threats towards a fan?

Only partially. 
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Ramjam on June 04, 2018, 06:06:36 PM
Only partially.
At least your honest
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 04, 2018, 06:09:17 PM
In all seriousness, he looks a great finisher and hopefully we'll give him a lot of chances next season. He acclimatised pretty well and think he'll only get better next year in a better team.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 04, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
Love him, me.

He's also got by far the best song we've had for a player in years.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Ramjam on June 04, 2018, 06:16:34 PM
In all seriousness, he looks a great finisher and hopefully we'll give him a lot of chances next season. He acclimatised pretty well and think he'll only get better next year in a better team.
Hereís hoping, for me heís one which is hard to predict, look good at international level as well as In the Turkish league, had good moments for us and scored a few at the tale end of the season but Iím not fully convinced with his all round play. I think heís a fox in the fox who can be at the right place at the right time but the team will have to do all of the creating  for him as I canít see him making many chances for himself
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: dazfrancis on June 04, 2018, 06:31:32 PM
If we can create chances for him he will score goals.

Whether we can create chances without relying on him being top-class at "all-round play" remains to be seen
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Mac934 on June 04, 2018, 06:37:16 PM
Does he need to be top class at all round play though? His job is to score goals. If he's adequate at the all round play that should be enough if the rest of the team are supplying the chances, he's shown he can take them.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 04, 2018, 06:42:35 PM
Hereís hoping, for me heís one which is hard to predict, look good at international level as well as In the Turkish league, had good moments for us and scored a few at the tale end of the season but Iím not fully convinced with his all round play. I think heís a fox in the fox who can be at the right place at the right time but the team will have to do all of the creating  for him as I canít see him making many chances for himself

You could actually count on one hand the amount of goals Lukaku created for himself in four seasons. Most of them were first time finishes or one-touch and then finish. The only ones I can really remember him "making for himself" was Arsenal in his first season, Chelsea in the FA Cup and couple v City away (one in 13-14 and one in 16-17).

https://twitter.com/GoodisonPics/status/883090134756995079
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: dazfrancis on June 04, 2018, 06:49:39 PM
Does he need to be top class at all round play though? His job is to score goals. If he's adequate at the all round play that should be enough if the rest of the team are supplying the chances, he's shown he can take them.

Agree, if we are a good enough team we shouldn't have to rely on our striker being a great all-round player
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Ramjam on June 04, 2018, 06:52:13 PM
Agree, if we are a good enough team we shouldn't have to rely on our striker being a great all-round player
But weíre not, thatís my point mate.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 04, 2018, 06:54:56 PM
I expect us to be a very different team come August.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Ramjam on June 04, 2018, 06:59:06 PM
I expect us to be a very different team come August.
We really need to be
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: brap2 on June 04, 2018, 11:57:26 PM
20+ PL goals for our Cenk next year.

Would be a truly phenomenal return. I honestly dunno what heíll end up at, last few years have been 10 / 13 / 5 / 8 / 20 / 13 (*combined Beşiktaş & Everton)

If he hits double figs for us Iíd probably be quite pleased. If he got 15 I think Iíd pull my knob off. If he got 20 I would question reality.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: boothill on June 05, 2018, 12:07:24 AM
Only partially.
Sean Connery  said that when he got asked did he like mixed herbs
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 05, 2018, 04:42:49 PM
Would be a truly phenomenal return. I honestly dunno what heíll end up at, last few years have been 10 / 13 / 5 / 8 / 20 / 13 (*combined Beşiktaş & Everton)

If he hits double figs for us Iíd probably be quite pleased. If he got 15 I think Iíd pull my knob off. If he got 20 I would question reality.

I don't think it's as unrealistic as you think but I agree it's optimistic. I think he'll be safely in the 10-15 bracket if he plays most weeks.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 05, 2018, 05:05:23 PM
I don't think it's as unrealistic as you think but I agree it's optimistic. I think he'll be safely in the 10-15 bracket if he plays most weeks.


Got to expect above a dozen (barring injuries) as a minimum really i would say?
but yeah, hitting around 15 is a good return (not gonna risk my knob saying otherwise @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) .

Ideally that would just be in the league to be honest.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: TheRam on June 05, 2018, 06:10:59 PM
Should be looking at 18-25 all comps
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 05, 2018, 06:18:03 PM
Should be looking at 18-25 all comps

I'd be surprised to see 20+ like. Not expecting him to be that calibre of stiker.
But i like him, decent, solid premier league standard he looks like.

If he gets a dozen in the league and 5 in the cups i'd think he was worth the money we spent.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 05, 2018, 06:34:17 PM
Should be looking at 18-25 all comps

I agree with this, he's got about a 1 in 3 record (goals to shots) if we actually provide him with opportunities i can see him getting what TheRam stated.. Just use him as a finisher, relying on him to do hold up play, negates from what he offers us (clinical finishing)
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: blargins on June 05, 2018, 07:57:39 PM
He's a little over a 1 in 2 ratio for us so far. And that's with negative tactics. He's a finisher for sure.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Cozzie on June 05, 2018, 10:51:59 PM
Actually like him.

15-20 next season would be respectable.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2018, 12:55:53 AM
Actually like him.

15-20 next season would be respectable.

15-20 is lukaku at his best levels for us.

Before that Fellaini got 11, I think Saha got 10 one year, Yakubu maybe.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2018, 01:04:08 AM
15-20 is lukaku at his best levels for us.

Before that Fellaini got 11, I think Saha got 10 one year, Yakubu maybe.

Iíd be dissapointed in him if heís not netting 15-20 in all comps.

Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 06, 2018, 01:07:33 AM
Over 10 to be worth the money; anything over 15 would be incredible.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Cozzie on June 06, 2018, 01:13:32 AM
15-20 is lukaku at his best levels for us.

Before that Fellaini got 11, I think Saha got 10 one year, Yakubu maybe.

Yeah its rare any forward gets over 20 for us.

The yak got 21 I think.

It all boils down to how we play and how much of a cog he is in whatever system Silva decides to implement.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: colin on June 06, 2018, 01:18:47 AM
In my 12 years as an Evertonian I've only seen 2 players score 15 league goals or 20 overall, Yakubu and Lukaku (and in the 12 years before Yak, no one even hit 15 in all comps), so not expecting Tosun to do that right away. The potential is certainly there though I've said that a lot throughout the years so not holding my breath.  10-15 sounds realistic though
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2018, 01:20:03 AM
Over 10 to be worth the money; anything over 15 would be incredible.

Personally think youíre setting very low standards there.

Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 06, 2018, 01:23:33 AM
Personally think youíre setting very low standards there.



A long run in a cup would give him a chance to get towards late teens but few strikers break the 15 barrier in the league.  If he does will will have a real asset on our hands.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: kramer0 on June 06, 2018, 01:26:28 AM
I'd still rather start Calvert-Lewin.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 06, 2018, 02:19:49 AM
I'd still rather start Calvert-Lewin.

Still havent forgiven him for that miss in the derby.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: GLewis on June 06, 2018, 02:24:24 AM
I'd still rather start Calvert-Lewin.

I like DCL but he really needs to improve goal threat.

Actually also think that Tosun has a good all round game, maybe a bit slow, but should be quite flexible tactically.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: kramer0 on June 06, 2018, 02:44:00 AM
He's not going to improve in front of goal from the bench. Repetitions matter a ton at age 21.

It's a huge win for us that we lose nothing in terms of competitiveness with him on the pitch. We need to take advantage by giving him regular minutes. (The same logic applies to Davies and Holgate.)
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: GLewis on June 06, 2018, 02:50:11 AM
He's not going to improve in front of goal from the bench. Repetitions matter a ton at age 21.

It's a huge win for us that we lose nothing in terms of competitiveness with him on the pitch. We need to take advantage by giving him regular minutes. (The same logic applies to Davies and Holgate.)

Donít mind him being used as a wide forward too.

Rather have him that Niasse and he should get decent minutes unless we sign another genuinely good forward.

Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2018, 02:58:45 AM
Tosun is better in every department than DCL.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: dunkster on June 06, 2018, 03:32:06 AM
He's not going to improve in front of goal from the bench. Repetitions matter a ton at age 21.

It's a huge win for us that we lose nothing in terms of competitiveness with him on the pitch. We need to take advantage by giving him regular minutes. (The same logic applies to Davies and Holgate.)

Davies has had plenty of minutes this season and has looked poor to me. Not sure he has what it takes.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2018, 03:35:27 AM
Tosun is better in every department than DCL.

At the moment. But if we develop DCL correctly he has the tools to be better I reckon.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: kramer0 on June 06, 2018, 03:36:38 AM
Davies has had plenty of minutes this season and has looked poor to me. Not sure he has what it takes.

He's 19 and we played all of our most effective football with him on the pitch.

Wobbles in form are part of the learning process. He'll be alright.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: dunkster on June 06, 2018, 03:39:46 AM
He's 19 and we played all of our most effective football with him on the pitch.

Wobbles in form are part of the learning process. He'll be alright.

I'll reserve judgement on him and most of our players (having had to play under allardyce instructions)
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: smellybum on June 06, 2018, 04:12:04 AM
I'd still rather start Calvert-Lewin.

Rather see DCL go to Rangers and learn to put the ball in the back of the net. Just go and learn how to be clinical in front of goal.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2018, 04:18:12 AM
DCL doesn't need to go on loan. He's good enough to get plenty of game time for us.

This obsession with sending players on loan is getting a bit boring. It's a constant in nearly every thread.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Escla on June 06, 2018, 04:21:02 AM
I'd still rather start Calvert-Lewin.

Alongside Tosun yeah ?
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2018, 04:21:41 AM
Rather see DCL go to Rangers and learn to put the ball in the back of the net. Just go and learn how to be clinical in front of goal.
Do you become clinical in front of goal playing agaisnt poor defences and keepers?
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: blue slug on June 06, 2018, 04:22:48 AM
He's 19 and we played all of our most effective football with him on the pitch.

Wobbles in form are part of the learning process. He'll be alright.

Heís 21 by the way so needs to start improving his finishing quickly if heís going to be a quality centre forward
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2018, 04:25:19 AM
Do you become clinical in front of goal playing agaisnt poor defences and keepers?

That doesn't matter. The rule is (loan * player)+(pick shit club in shit league that will not aid development to better performances for Everton)=guaranteed success.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2018, 04:26:17 AM
Heís 21 by the way so needs to start improving his finishing quickly if heís going to be a quality centre forward

Which 21 year olds playing up front in the PL are better?
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 06, 2018, 04:28:08 AM
That doesn't matter. The rule is (loan * player)+(pick shit club in shit league that will not aid development to better performances for Everton)=guaranteed success.
Ah I see
Silly me
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2018, 04:29:52 AM
I like DCL but he really needs to improve goal threat.

Actually also think that Tosun has a good all round game, maybe a bit slow, but should be quite flexible tactically.

Personally of the opinion that DCL is the better overall player / there isnít THAT much in it - but Tosun seems to be a bagger in all fairness. Huge variety of finishes, replicated across a dodgy league / CL / international and prem - hard to ignore imo.

Would like to see both in a system that isnít a bag of dog poo on fire - and go from there.
Title: Tosun
Post by: Ramjam on June 06, 2018, 04:32:35 AM
Which 21 year olds playing up front in the PL are better?
Absolutely none, DCL needs to stay put and take his chances when they come, I like the idea of DCL any Tosun up front in a 4-4-2
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2018, 04:39:00 AM
Never seen DCL put his laces through it. Finesseís everything.

Should watch 100 hours of Kane and Defoe this summer while heís off. Shift and bang, low and hard. Meat and drink for a striker and atm he doesnít seem to have it.

Everything else he has in spades imo.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: blue slug on June 06, 2018, 04:40:03 AM
Which 21 year olds playing up front in the PL are better?

I didnít say there were any better I just said I think he needs to improve his finishing, to be fair Jesus of city I think is better for a start
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 06, 2018, 04:41:59 AM
Tosun is a much better option than DCL. If weíre going to be creating chances I want someone with almost a 50% conversion rate on the end of them.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: kramer0 on June 06, 2018, 04:45:42 AM
Heís 21 by the way so needs to start improving his finishing quickly if heís going to be a quality centre forward

Davies.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: blue slug on June 06, 2018, 04:47:47 AM
Davies.

DCL is 21 whatís Davies got to do with it heís not a centre forward?
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2018, 04:48:29 AM
Davies.

Weíre talking about good players in here mate take this talk elsewhere
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: kramer0 on June 06, 2018, 04:49:37 AM
DCL is 21 whatís Davies got to do with it heís not a centre forward?

Original Comment:

Davies has had plenty of minutes this season and has looked poor to me. Not sure he has what it takes.

My Reply:

He's 19 and we played all of our most effective football with him on the pitch.

Wobbles in form are part of the learning process. He'll be alright.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: gizzblue on June 06, 2018, 06:35:12 AM
 Some in here really need a head wobble ffs. ...DCL is a great "prospect" and i like the lad still can't hit his own ass with a banjo though... to suggest benching Tosun a baller who knows where the net is for DCL is nothing short of fucking madness ...give the lad twenty mins here and there and a few shit cup games but if he doesn't start to find the net soon he's never going too imho.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2018, 06:35:48 AM
I didnít say there were any better I just said I think he needs to improve his finishing, to be fair Jesus of city I think is better for a start

The point being; you say he needs to improve yet you can only name one better player, hence he is one of the top young player in the country. The lack of development time afforded the lad is fucking absurd.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: blue slug on June 06, 2018, 01:01:28 PM
Original Comment:

My Reply:


Sorry matey 👍
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Confucius on June 06, 2018, 01:46:17 PM
I'd still rather start Calvert-Lewin.

Lost pretty much all respect for you there. DCL is a truer at best. Has very little quality other than chasing people down. A good looking Straq is what DCL is.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Lost pretty much all respect for you there. DCL is a truer at best. Has very little quality other than chasing people down. A good looking Straq is what DCL is.

Come on now.

Letís find a middle ground.

He shouldnít be starting ahead of tosun, but heís still a potentially very good player. Just needs to find more of a threat infront of goal.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Toddacelli on June 06, 2018, 02:02:43 PM
DCL doesn't need to go on loan. He's good enough to get plenty of game time for us.

This obsession with sending players on loan is getting a bit boring. It's a constant in nearly every thread.

Well we do have a squad of over 3,000,000 players - what do you suggest we do with them?
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Toddacelli on June 06, 2018, 02:05:49 PM
Lost pretty much all respect for you there. DCL is a truer at best. Has very little quality other than chasing people down. A good looking Straq is what DCL is.

Strac is gorgeous. Have a look at what you're doing with your life.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 06, 2018, 02:51:16 PM
Lost pretty much all respect for you there. DCL is a truer at best. Has very little quality other than chasing people down. A good looking Straq is what DCL is.

Oh come on. I think youíre doing this on purpose now.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2018, 03:05:59 PM
Lost pretty much all respect for you there. DCL is a truer at best. Has very little quality other than chasing people down. A good looking Straq is what DCL is.

Really does make me think we are either watching different games, or you are mistaking our two strikers.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2018, 04:00:42 PM
Last 2 pages of this thread have been truly mind boggling
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Free Agent on June 06, 2018, 04:20:29 PM
Suffice it to say, itís just tosun to write the lad off








(Grabs coat & exits)
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2018, 05:02:16 PM
Lost pretty much all respect for you there. DCL is a truer at best. Has very little quality other than chasing people down. A good looking Straq is what DCL is.

Con, you're a Dr, right? I wonder if you've ever encountered a patient who can talk out their arse? You could compare notes. Stinky horrible shitty notes.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Escla on June 06, 2018, 05:44:05 PM
Con, you're a Dr, right? I wonder if you've ever encountered a patient who can talk out their arse? You could compare notes. Stinky horrible shitty notes.

Bit harsh :shock:
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2018, 05:47:53 PM
Nah, he loves it.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2018, 05:53:17 PM
With all the talk of cutting the squad anyone we have who is even half decent will be needed this season.
Wouldn't surprise me if we bin Niasse and use Walcott as our third option for up top, which I wouldn't be too concerned about.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 06, 2018, 06:09:13 PM
I think you are right. Walcott actually has said himself he would have liked to played up top for Arsenal. Would still love to see him have a role with less responsibility as a tracking back winger, and more responsibility getting forward, in a more free role further forward. Then Lookman similarly attacking left, with Tosun causing havoc in the middle and Sig playing Quarterback, knowing a defensive mid is behind him, then solid Centre Backs, seeing as Baines and Coleman SHOULD be doing what they do best - playing towards the opponents goal, rather than running back in desperation towards ours. Doesnt Silva prefer an attacking 4-2-3-1? So maybe something like this:

Pickford

Keane ... Jagielka
Coleman ............................. ...... Baines

Gana ..... Schneiderlin

Sigurdsson
Walcott ...................... Lookman

Tosun


Obviously, we will be hoping to add to that, and put some of them on an ever strengthening bench, but even as it is, with a manager that wants to actually play football, and pass/move with the aim of actually attacking the opponents goal, then that is still a fairly strong team.

Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2018, 06:14:46 PM
Dunno if Baines has the legs to play wing back these days.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 06, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
Probably only a year left in his legs, but you would think that is one of the priority positions to strengthen this season, after last seasons debacle with Martina struggling there early on.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Jamokachi on June 06, 2018, 06:25:04 PM
Oh, for sure.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: GLewis on June 06, 2018, 06:46:50 PM
Dunno if Baines has the legs to play wing back these days.

Also generally still plays like a FB when we use that formation.

Whether thatís lack of repetitive practice or natural instinct itís hard to tell.

Either way itís better for him to be close to players to move the ball around rather than hard slogs up the line on his own.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 06, 2018, 06:53:22 PM
Upgrades for Jags, Baines & Schniederlin in that formation and i'd be happy.
As long as we had decent options for replacing the attacking 4 on the bench as well, of course.

DCL and Klaassen (maybe) are the only ones i can think of at the moment that could rotate in?
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 06, 2018, 06:59:06 PM
Upgrades for Jags, Baines & Schniederlin in that formation and i'd be happy.
As long as we had decent options for replacing the attacking 4 on the bench as well, of course.

DCL and Klaassen (maybe) are the only ones i can think of at the moment that could rotate in?

Would still like to see more of Vlasic and Lookman having a run of games, but a rough indication of how big our squad is below, and this is still leaving out a few senior players, loanees, etc...

Pickford/Stek/Hewelt

Keane/Holgate/Williams ... JagielkaNew/RFM
Coleman/Kenny/Browning ............................. ...... New/Baines/Garbutt

Gana/Beni/McCarthy ..... New/Davies/Schneiderlin

Sigurdsson/Klaasen/New

Walcott/Vlasic/Sandro ...................... New/Lookman/Bolasie

Tosun/New/DCL


Our squad is huge, but not huge on quality - 3 players in each position is more than enough, when 2 first team, 1 youth. Priority is bringing in New players in certain urgent positions. Imo, of course, the "New"is placed in priority order, if its before the name in that position, would mean I would suggest that the position is crucial and the players that we have would play second and third fiddle, i.e. a left back, a left winger, a left cb :D but still needing a CM and possibly a decent striker, and get shut of the 2 or 3 average strikers we have floating around the place.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2018, 07:00:30 PM
Upgrades for Jags, Baines & Schniederlin in that formation and i'd be happy.
As long as we had decent options for replacing the attacking 4 on the bench as well, of course.

DCL and Klaassen (maybe) are the only ones i can think of at the moment that could rotate in?

Lookman, Dowell, Vlasic too
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 06, 2018, 07:19:44 PM
Lookman, Dowell, Vlasic too

Lookman was starting in @The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3387) 's formation.
But yeah, deffo Vlasic.
Possibly Dowell being Sigurdsson and maybe Klaassen

Walcott on the right and Lookman on the left with Vlasic, DCL and poss 1 other supporting
Sigurdsson in the middle with Klaassen and dowell supporting
Tosun up front with DCL, Niasse & Walcott as back ups.


So I want a CB, a LB a CM to come in as first team players and better than anything else we have.
Then 1 wide man. Either to be 3 'starters' for the 2 positions or another Vlasic type playwe with legs & potential
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 06, 2018, 07:22:46 PM
Weird isnt it, that most of us are pretty much on the same wavelength when it comes to whats needed. I get the feeling Walsh certainly wasnt (when we were crying out for a Lukaku replacement, a Left Back, etc). But I think Brands certainly WILL be on the same wavelength, if not a lot higher than us peons.

Its about time we were due some luck, so yes, he WILL be.
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: dunkster on June 06, 2018, 09:07:50 PM
In many ways fringe players deserve a decent chance to impress silva.
It's just there's an overall feeling that the squad simply wasn't good enough this season so therefore we need to get 4-6 top class players.
I would still like to see if silva can find the player that is in klaasen, sandro and vlasic.
If he gives them chance under his tactics and formations and they still don't cut it then fine, fuck em off. But I don't like the thought of some of them leaving and being left wondering could they have been good
Title: Re: Tosun
Post by: Confucius on June 07, 2018, 12:49:20 AM
Come on now.

Letís find a middle ground.

He shouldnít be starting ahead of tosun, but heís still a potentially very good player. Just needs to find more of a threat infront of goal.

Not more threat, just any threat would be a start