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Title: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on August 08, 2018, 10:49:42 PM
Andre from Barca?

The Portuguese connection
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Robioto on August 08, 2018, 10:54:16 PM
Any sources for this? Again, only very tentative links on Twitter, nothing form any obvious and reliable sources that I can find?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on August 08, 2018, 11:00:17 PM
Surely West Ham cant keep signing players to comply with FFP?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Robioto on August 08, 2018, 11:00:41 PM
To answer my own question Dominic King has just posted this:

https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1027221880829341701

Could be a goer...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on August 08, 2018, 11:01:02 PM
Dom King has now talked about Andre Gomes, looks like were in for him, he says unclear whether for loan or permanent transfer
Title: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Robioto on August 08, 2018, 11:02:11 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1027221880829341701
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 08, 2018, 11:03:49 PM
Iíd want a loan. Have my doubts on him. Be nice to have a good look at him first
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Free Agent on August 08, 2018, 11:07:45 PM
Yeah wasnít there a statbomb earlier that said heís was one to avoid?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 08, 2018, 11:09:20 PM
I really want him.

Think heís exactly what we need in the middle.

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Post by: Cozzie on August 08, 2018, 11:09:24 PM
What sort of a player is Gomes?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Robioto on August 08, 2018, 11:12:38 PM
Yeah wasnít there a statbomb earlier that said heís was one to avoid?

Yeah, Kramer managed to convince me he wasn't any good... Loan with option to buy would be a good deal though.

Think this is it:

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/552915414037323776

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Tinga on August 08, 2018, 11:18:59 PM
Apparently he's not great.. so probably be decent for us.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on August 08, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
Be sound this
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on August 09, 2018, 12:05:46 AM
Just what we need, a tall, athletic, box to box Ď8í with a good range of passing and the right age. If we get Mina AND another centre half along with Bernard and Gomes, this could be the best window since Lukaku, Barry and McCarthy arrived.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on August 09, 2018, 01:09:32 AM
Yeah, let's not do this.

This guy does less than Schneiderlin and he's already 25 so he's not going to grow much more.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 09, 2018, 01:26:08 AM
Yeah, let's not do this.

This guy does less than Schneiderlin and he's already 25 so he's not going to grow much more.

25?

Thatís a perfect age to sign a player.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Tinga on August 09, 2018, 01:27:20 AM
Barca fans seem to be absolutely made up they may have gotten rid of him, although maybe Barcelona cast offs would be amazing for us.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on August 09, 2018, 01:27:35 AM
You seen much of him though Kramer or is this opinion entirely coming from stats?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 09, 2018, 01:30:16 AM
Looked boss at valencia
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: loroloco on August 09, 2018, 01:31:21 AM
this fella is absolutely poison.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on August 09, 2018, 01:34:53 AM
this fella is absolutely poison.

Dunno what you're saying here? Is that like 'sick'?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on August 09, 2018, 01:35:07 AM
Said with venom

Better than Del?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: loroloco on August 09, 2018, 01:36:40 AM
it means he's fucking awful. i'm seriously worried about the type of player we're signing. bigger club's flops.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on August 09, 2018, 01:40:50 AM
Not the first player to fail at Barca, won't be the last. I know fuck all about him like, but he's a looker
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on August 09, 2018, 01:43:13 AM
25?

Thatís a perfect age to sign a player.

Yeah, that's a prime age... for a player who actually does stuff.

I'm skeptical that a player who hasn't shown much of anything in the years leading up to his prime is suddenly going to put it all together.

You seen much of him though Kramer or is this opinion entirely coming from stats?

Stats.

Not much defensive output, not much creative output, not much scoring output. Has a nice passing percentage but the passing model (which accounts for the difficulty of each pass) doesn't rate him so he's probably not trying anything difficult. Looks like he was a decent dribbler at Valencia but who cares given the rest.

The eye test may well be the only thing he has going for him. In which case, it's probably deceptive because he does next to nothing you can measure.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: loroloco on August 09, 2018, 01:43:43 AM
it means he's fucking awful. i'm seriously worried about the type of player we're signing. bigger club's flops.

and by the way, this bloke flopped spectacularly at barca. for those who don't know.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 09, 2018, 01:45:26 AM
Yeah, that's a prime age... for a player who actually does stuff.

I'm skeptical that a player who hasn't shown much of anything in the years leading up to his prime is suddenly going to put it all together.

Stats.

Not much defensive output, not much creative output, not much scoring output. Has a nice passing percentage but the passing model (which accounts for the difficulty of each pass) doesn't rate him so he's probably not trying anything difficult. Looks like he was a decent dribbler at Valencia but who cares given the rest.

The eye test may well be the only thing he has going for him. In which case, it's probably deceptive because he does next to nothing.
Are the stats based on his time at barca
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 09, 2018, 01:46:19 AM
and by the way, this bloke flopped spectacularly at barca. for those who don't know.
How many of our current players would shine at Barcelona?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on August 09, 2018, 01:47:26 AM
Are the stats based on his time at barca

Nah, same at Valencia (but with more dribbles!).

See @Robioto (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=292) 's post.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2018, 01:47:51 AM
25?

Thatís a perfect age to sign a player.

Itís the perfect age to sin a *good* player.

Not all players get better, but every player gets worse.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on August 09, 2018, 01:50:17 AM
Marco with the midas touch?

He turns Silva into Gold
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: dunkster on August 09, 2018, 02:00:12 AM
Sounds like we should only want/need him on loan.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 09, 2018, 02:08:43 AM
Itís the perfect age to sin a *good* player.

Not all players get better, but every player gets worse.

He is a good player though.

Has a skill set thatís missing from our midfield.

You yourself have been crying out for us to sign a player of his type.

I appreciate the room for analytics when it comes to player analysis, but I do think people can get bogged down a bit too much with the stats.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Simon Paul on August 09, 2018, 02:18:51 AM
Marca readers voted him the worst signing of 2017. The same year Deulofeu had joined Barcelona again 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blue slug on August 09, 2018, 02:20:07 AM
Marca readers voted him the worst signing of 2017. The same year Deulofeu had joined Barcelona again 

Now thatís pretty damning
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on August 09, 2018, 02:22:55 AM
He is a good player though.

Has a skill set that’s missing from our midfield.

You yourself have been crying out for us to sign a player of his type.

I appreciate the room for analytics when it comes to player analysis, but I do think people can get bogged down a bit too much with the stats.


agree with this, we have no midfielders who can keep possession of the ball.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2018, 02:24:14 AM
He is a good player though.

Has a skill set thatís missing from our midfield.

You yourself have been crying out for us to sign a player of his type.

I appreciate the room for analytics when it comes to player analysis, but I do think people can get bogged down a bit too much with the stats.



Iím not sure he does have that skill set though.

This is literally what player analytics is for, when a player *seems* to have a skill set but really when you look at what he does without cognitive bias of any kind it states clearly that he doesnít do as much of that as you think he does.

If he joins Iíll get behind him and Iíll watch videos and Iíll hope it works out, Iím just saying, I think this is a mistake.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: ForzaItalia on August 09, 2018, 02:26:05 AM
Marca readers voted him the worst signing of 2017. The same year Deulofeu had joined Barcelona again


Didnít they also vote Modric as the worst signing when he moved to Madrid?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Simon Paul on August 09, 2018, 02:30:21 AM

Didn't they also vote Modric as the worst signing when he moved to Madrid?
No idea. They hated Bale though didn't they?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 09, 2018, 02:34:50 AM
Loan with a cast-iron option to buy suit everyone?

I, for one, don't really care what his stats are like in a team so different than Everton as Barcelona are.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: dekko on August 09, 2018, 02:37:24 AM
Anyone will be an upgrade to Schneiderlin, so Iím on board.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on August 09, 2018, 02:38:21 AM
Loan with a cast-iron option to buy suit everyone?

I, for one, don't really care what his stats are like in a team so different than Everton as Barcelona are.

I do if he canít even be creative with their movement around him, as itís a hell of a lot better than ours
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 09, 2018, 02:40:51 AM
I do if he canít even be creative with their movement around him, as itís a hell of a lot better than ours

Dunno, maybe our players will be more "his speed".
Maybe he kept going to pass to Suarez, but Suarez was already a dozen yards closer to goal. Sigurdsson won't be.

It's the main reason stats are blouse for a game as variable as football. There are no 2 systems similar enough to translate them through fully.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: ajax_andy on August 09, 2018, 02:53:51 AM
Brands signed a lot of promising players for PSV who had moved to bigger clubs and failed to make an impact, it seems to be his way of working... Identifying players with ability looking to rebuild their careers after showing early promise.

He must have done something right to earn a move to Barca, so you'd hope at the right club he could kick on and do good things.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on August 09, 2018, 03:02:49 AM
Brands signed a lot of promising players for PSV who had moved to bigger clubs and failed to make an impact, it seems to be his way of working... Identifying players with ability looking to rebuild their careers after showing early promise.

He must have done something right to earn a move to Barca, so you'd hope at the right club he could kick on and do good things.

A bit like when we signed Pienaar and Arteta.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: ajax_andy on August 09, 2018, 03:55:30 AM
A bit like when we signed Pienaar and Arteta.

Exactly, I started to write how Arteta was a great example as he'd flopped at Barca, then deleted it as couldn't remember for definite if he'd actually been on their books 🤣
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 09, 2018, 04:00:04 AM
Legit question for the @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) and @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) 's of the world (and one which may be enough to change my mind completely):

Is there any stats/profiles/graphs for Pienaar at Dortmund?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 09, 2018, 04:09:32 AM
Arteta at sociedad would be intersting too
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on August 09, 2018, 04:14:03 AM
Data collection was iffy at best during Pienaar and Arteta's early seasons.

I doubt there's anything meaningful to look at for either player aside from goals, assists, and maybe some data on shots.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on August 09, 2018, 04:22:21 AM
Yeah, let's not do this.

This guy does less than Schneiderlin and he's already 25 so he's not going to grow much more.

Different players IMO. Gomes an Ď8í Schneiderlin a Ď6í. I have seen Gomes suffer horribly with confidence at Barcelona with players simply much better than him but also remember the player that glided through midfields for Valencia. Letís face it, all of our players would look out of their depth at Barcelona and if he can re-discover what he showed at the mestalla, we have exactly what we need in the middle of the park and everything Rooney tried to be.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D_murph0278 on August 09, 2018, 04:25:46 AM
Absolutely pointless signing this one.
Can't see him or Sigurdsson playing in a 2 man midfield with either Gueye or Scheiderlin. Massive wages at least for an out of form, lightweight playmaker who's shot of confidence and has been for 12 months. Someone mentioned Wanyama before... that's more like it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on August 09, 2018, 04:28:10 AM
Absolutely pointless signing this one.
Can't see him or Sigurdsson playing in a 2 man midfield with either Gueye or Scheiderlin. Massive wages at least for an out of form, lightweight playmaker who's shot of confidence and has been for 12 months. Someone mentioned Wanyama before... that's more like it.

He is a box to box central midfielder, not a number 10
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D_murph0278 on August 09, 2018, 04:32:03 AM
He is a box to box central midfielder, not a number 10

You think? Played with Parejo at Valencia behind the main striker and I've never seen him tackle in my life. He's been available since January and no-ones gone near him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on August 09, 2018, 04:32:47 AM
For some reason this one isn't grabbing me....still take him though.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D_murph0278 on August 09, 2018, 04:35:37 AM
Wolves should be the barometer on this one. They've been linked with or signed every decent Portuguese player (bar ronaldo) this season. Swerved Andre Gomes though.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jay on August 09, 2018, 05:00:26 AM
Id like him on loan just to see.....but for sure reservations abound with this one
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on August 09, 2018, 01:29:08 PM
Wolves also signed Traore for £18m - bargain
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bluestevie on August 09, 2018, 03:09:03 PM
Dom King and a Telegraph journo say Gomes desperate to make move and will be an initial loan deal
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on August 09, 2018, 03:13:05 PM
Wolves should be the barometer on this one. They've been linked with or signed every decent Portuguese player (bar ronaldo) this season. Swerved Andre Gomes though.

Who is his agent?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 09, 2018, 03:15:51 PM
Wolves should never be the barometer on any of our targets. Get a grip.   
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 09, 2018, 03:18:32 PM
Wolves should never be the barometer on any of our targets. Get a grip.   

Mad init.

Thereís no strategy there. Theyíre just signing players off an agent.

Good players like but it could easily fall apart there.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 09, 2018, 03:20:04 PM
Mad init.

Thereís no strategy there. Theyíre just signing players off an agent.

Good players like but it could easily fall apart there.

Absolutely. Iíve given my wolves season prediction in the matchday thread.

If wolves target someone weíre trying to buy then Iíd suggest someone at EFC needs to do their homework and weíre targeting the wrong player.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on August 09, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
Wolves also signed Traore for £18m - bargain

If you're looking for a sprinter maybe, not a footballer.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bluestevie on August 09, 2018, 03:33:12 PM
Wolves will either manage to get midtable or completelly QPR it and end up relegated but February. My gut felling is they'll be more QPR than Burnley.

As I said in the other clubs transfer thread, Wolves are playing a dangerous game with the money they are throwing about, they need to click into gear straight away (starting after our game on Saturday) or they will struggle
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on August 09, 2018, 03:41:05 PM
As I said in the other clubs transfer thread, Wolves are playing a dangerous game with the money they are throwing about, they need to click into gear straight away (starting after our game on Saturday) or they will struggle

Not really. Think they have more than enough quality in there to survive. They'll also have the bounce that all new teams have early on which carries a lot of promoted clubs through for when the inevitable plateau occurs.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on August 09, 2018, 03:47:39 PM
As I said in the other clubs transfer thread, Wolves are playing a dangerous game with the money they are throwing about, they need to click into gear straight away (starting after our game on Saturday) or they will struggle

Theyíre more likely to hit the ground running than we are.

Theyíre coming off the back of a season of mostly winning, weíre off the back of a season of mostly losing.

The difference can do wonders for confidence, as the Goodison crowd will get on the teams back faster if we concede a goal.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bluestevie on August 09, 2018, 03:49:57 PM
Not really. Think they have more than enough quality in there to survive. They'll also have the bounce that all new teams have early on which carries a lot of promoted clubs through for when the inevitable plateau occurs.

They'll stay up don't get me wrong, they've a far stronger side than Cardiff and as strong as Fulham but they will have a wobble mid season like they did last year when they were dropping points left right and centre allowing rivals to catch them up, once they snapped out of it they cruised to the title
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 09, 2018, 03:51:46 PM
Theyíre more likely to hit the ground running than we are.

Theyíre coming off the back of a season of mostly winning, weíre off the back of a season of mostly losing.

The difference can do wonders for confidence, as the Goodison crowd will get on the teams back faster if we concede a goal.

yeah, good job we're at Molineux
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2018, 04:29:25 PM
Wolves top 10 deffo, will come above West Ham.

Leicester we need to worry about. More really good recruitment from them. Consistently buying well is better then the up and down high-risk peaks and troughs weve seen elsewhere (that are hopefully over for us).
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 09, 2018, 04:33:02 PM
Wolves top 10 deffo, will come above West Ham.

Leicester we need to worry about. More really good recruitment from them. Consistently buying well is better then the up and down high-risk peaks and troughs weve seen elsewhere (that are hopefully over for us).

Signed two centre halves Iíve never heard of and I know because itís Leicester theyíre going to be the business. Maddison and perriera are two very good signings as well.

Got a manager who regularly gets teams in the top 8 too so theyíre my main worry in terms of teams below us. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2018, 04:34:23 PM
Signed two centre halves Iíve never heard of and I know because itís Leicester theyíre going to be the business. Maddison and perriera are two very good signings as well.

Got a manager who regularly gets teams in the top 8 too so theyíre my main worry in terms of teams below us. 

Part of me thinks take a last minute hit on Vardy just to derail them.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 09, 2018, 05:03:23 PM
Data collection was iffy at best during Pienaar and Arteta's early seasons.

I doubt there's anything meaningful to look at for either player aside from goals, assists, and maybe some data on shots.

What about iniesta? Seems like a daft request (given heís undoubtably 1 of the greatest of all time) but his goals and assists output were always quite poor

Did his graphs look like that of a worldbeater
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 09, 2018, 05:07:55 PM
If you're looking for a sprinter maybe, not a footballer.

Remember him playing against us a couple of years ago (for boro or villa maybe) we couldnít stop him. Heíd just run past 3 or 4 of our players then out of play with it. Heíll be a phenomenal player if he ever develops some sense. It will probably never happen though
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D_murph0278 on August 09, 2018, 05:28:10 PM
Wolves should never be the barometer on any of our targets. Get a grip.

I'm on about a club that actively looks for Portuguese talent. Rio Patricio, joao moutinho, Ruben neves etc. They haven't gone near Andre Gomes. 
All 3 of the above signings would be decent for Everton.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Normm on August 09, 2018, 05:30:36 PM
All players hit a lean patch - especially when they are not called on so often. I think he could invigorate his career under Silva and rediscover his best form. Apparently, he suffered an injury during Barcelona's pre-season tour of the U.S. and may be out until September. That's OK, as it will give him time to settle. It's a 'Yes' from me.

A permanent move would be better - without any buy-back clause!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: pjk on August 09, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
yeah, good job we're at Molineux



That's tickled me so fucking much it's stupid. lolol
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on August 09, 2018, 05:34:49 PM


That's tickled me so fucking much it's stupid. lolol

🤔
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: pjk on August 09, 2018, 05:40:55 PM
🤔



Go back a couple of posts to @stirlingblue (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=907) . And read the last sentence of his post. It's daft, but subtle.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on August 09, 2018, 07:12:08 PM
What about iniesta? Seems like a daft request (given heís undoubtably 1 of the greatest of all time) but his goals and assists output were always quite poor

Did his graphs look like that of a worldbeater

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/805539204327411712 (https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/805539204327411712)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 09, 2018, 07:13:07 PM
Haha. Imagine comparing any midfielder to Iniesta 😆
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on August 09, 2018, 07:31:09 PM
https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/805539204327411712 (https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/805539204327411712)

Can read stats lots of different ways, but besides the obvious failings that most would have against Iniesta im not getting that there's much of a player there!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
Haha. Imagine comparing any midfielder to Iniesta 😆

Well I mean this guy was bought with an eye to replacing him and a poster above requested it so itís fair enough in this case.

More than anything it just shows you what an achtype looks like compared to who youíre getting.

As @Mick 1995 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) said no stats can translate ďfullyĒ, but they can help you make less mistakes.

End of the day tho - im up for it. Someone new and heís tall and pretty graceful so Iím sure Iíll end up liking him.

Can see peopleís point re: stats sanitising football. E.g thereís no performance data from the Ukrainian league so in the dark over Bernard...so Iím even more excited in a way?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 09, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
I've watched him and he has everything we're missing in the midfield.

Especially the ability to pick the ball up and run at the opposition.

We remember how good we were when Barkley was doing this at his best? This lad offers that and more, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 09, 2018, 07:35:06 PM
He is worth a look at, sounds like its a loan, if he fails so be it, I am defo willing to give him a chance tho
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on August 09, 2018, 07:37:42 PM
It will be a great signing
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 09, 2018, 07:38:21 PM
https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/805539204327411712 (https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/805539204327411712)

No I suspected they werenít. Just wondered if Barcaís unique style slanted the graphs even for great midfielders.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 09, 2018, 07:39:14 PM
Well I mean this guy was bought with an eye to replacing him and a poster above requested it so itís fair enough in this case.

More than anything it just shows you what an achtype looks like compared to who youíre getting.

As @Mick 1995 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) said no stats can translate ďfullyĒ, but they can help you make less mistakes.

End of the day tho - im up for it. Someone new and heís tall and pretty graceful so Iím sure Iíll end up liking him.

Can see peopleís point re: stats sanitising football. E.g thereís no performance data from the Ukrainian league so in the dark over Bernard...so Iím even more excited in a way?

yeah, i'm deffo not dismissing stats utterly. I think as a base to see what a player does in a system it's sound.
For strikers & keepers i would argue till the wee small hours of the morning that expecteds are the most important thing to look at when considering a player. (form v class)
But midfielders and defenders? nah, there's nothing inherently useful in the stats in the real world.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
yeah, i'm deffo not dismissing stats utterly. I think as a base to see what a player does in a system it's sound.
For strikers & keepers i would argue till the wee small hours of the morning that expecteds are the most important thing to look at when considering a player. (form v class)
But midfielders and defenders? nah, there's nothing inherently useful in the stats in the real world.

Strongly disagree when it comes to midfielders.

There are measurable metrics, you can use regression or blended career averages to remove team / tactic / form boosts and dips and see clearly what sort of player they are and what they are capabale of doing.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blargins on August 09, 2018, 07:46:15 PM
I've watched him and he has everything we're missing in the midfield.

Especially the ability to pick the ball up and run at the opposition.

We remember how good we were when Barkley was doing this at his best? This lad offers that and more, in my opinion.

So @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) we need stats comparing Barkley to Gomes.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 09, 2018, 07:48:20 PM
I know full well @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) is going to love this guy.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 09, 2018, 07:49:13 PM
In terms of "does he go forward" or "does he love a side-ways pass" maybe. But still, the vast majority of things a midfielder does on a pitch is what his coach has been drilling into him all that week to do.

It's odd, as stats become more prevalent, the sterlisation of personal freedom on the pitch has started making them redundent.
Growing up, they would have been massively useful. Now, the majority of teams (bar the very top ones) play the percentages so much that players are more cogs than anything else.

I say that, with the distinct awareness that the era ushered in by the likes of Oneil & Allardyce in this country (and adopted by academies and their ludicrous preference for athlets first, ballers second) is actually on the wane and we are on the verge of the next big tactical breakthrough.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2018, 07:50:54 PM
I know full well @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) is going to love this guy.



He’s a tall, tanned, handsome CM who likes to dribble. I’ve already been trying to talk myself into him by watching a highlights video.

It was called ‘Improvement’ tho tbf which isn’t a great sign
Title: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on August 09, 2018, 07:54:15 PM
So @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) we need stats comparing Barkley to Gomes.

The left one is a similar template to Gomes.

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/877203704142856196 (https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/877203704142856196)

Edit: I should add that it's not necessarily a fair comparison because Barkley played an attacking role at times whereas Gomes has always been deployed deeper in midfield.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 09, 2018, 08:31:31 PM
Well I mean this guy was bought with an eye to replacing him and a poster above requested it so itís fair enough in this case.

More than anything it just shows you what an achtype looks like compared to who youíre getting.

As @Mick 1995 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) said no stats can translate ďfullyĒ, but they can help you make less mistakes.

End of the day tho - im up for it. Someone new and heís tall and pretty graceful so Iím sure Iíll end up liking him.

Can see peopleís point re: stats sanitising football. E.g thereís no performance data from the Ukrainian league so in the dark over Bernard...so Iím even more excited in a way?

I was being blasť, itís a thing I like to do. Like yourself my days are filled with data, so I enjoy them in a footy context, but I prefer to watch them play it. So it may sound like Iím being dismissive of your and Kramer but itís far from it mate.

Barca have trying to Iniesta for years too mate. Even back in the days of Fabregas etc (who at the time of the move was electric, iirc). They have been graced with one of the best midfielders ever who allowed them to play a certain way. I think itís unfair to ask someone with a ďsimilarĒískill set to replace someone who in actual fact cannot be replaced, Barca are probably going to have to evolve their style further as Iím pretty sure that guy canít be replaced by anyone during our lifetime.   
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Robioto on August 09, 2018, 08:34:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1027546694093824000

More from Dominic King.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 09, 2018, 08:35:44 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1027546694093824000

More from Dominic King.

My completely made up ďcallĒ has actually turned into a legit ďcalled itĒ. 

What a day.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Tinga on August 09, 2018, 08:44:16 PM
So apparently this Gomes is injured, he'll fit right in.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on August 09, 2018, 08:53:46 PM
So apparently this Gomes is injured, he'll fit right in.

Is nothing serious, reckon Silva can get a tune out of this guy.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2018, 09:21:15 PM
I was being blasť, itís a thing I like to do. Like yourself my days are filled with data, so I enjoy them in a footy context, but I prefer to watch them play it. So it may sound like Iím being dismissive of your and Kramer but itís far from it mate.

Barca have trying to Iniesta for years too mate. Even back in the days of Fabregas etc (who at the time of the move was electric, iirc). They have been graced with one of the best midfielders ever who allowed them to play a certain way. I think itís unfair to ask someone with a ďsimilarĒískill set to replace someone who in actual fact cannot be replaced, Barca are probably going to have to evolve their style further as Iím pretty sure that guy canít be replaced by anyone during our lifetime.   

All fair.

Riqui Puig is the new successor I believe.

Think theyíll struggle with Busquets as well tbh.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 09, 2018, 09:23:08 PM
I've just come out in a flop sweat when i saw that we have 97 minutes left to announce 3 deals (and hopefully a surprise 4th in the shape of another CB).

All my built up optimism has just been washed away with memories of windows past.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on August 09, 2018, 09:41:22 PM
I've just come out in a flop sweat when i saw that we have 97 minutes left to announce 3 deals (and hopefully a surprise 4th in the shape of another CB).

All my built up optimism has just been washed away with memories of windows past.
*2. Bernard doesn't need to be announced today.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on August 09, 2018, 10:42:10 PM
I've just come out in a flop sweat when i saw that we have 97 minutes left to announce 3 deals (and hopefully a surprise 4th in the shape of another CB).

All my built up optimism has just been washed away with memories of windows past.

Thereís no deadline for announcements, only signings, they can sign (or might have already signed) and an announcement can be made any time later this evening.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cozzie on August 09, 2018, 10:47:17 PM
Happy with the window.

Don't know an awful lot about Gomes but if Silva thinks he can do a job here then so be it.

Potential of Kurt Zouma as well.

Been a great window hasn't it?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Polledreng on August 09, 2018, 10:51:52 PM
*2. Bernard doesn't need to be announced today.
but he has been  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Tofifee on August 09, 2018, 11:02:32 PM
So no gomes?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 09, 2018, 11:02:54 PM
So no gomes?

https://twitter.com/FCBarcelona_es/status/1027585209154318336
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 09, 2018, 11:03:43 PM
Just cos it's 5 o clock doesn't mean deals can't still go through
It's like people have never seen deadline day before
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cozzie on August 09, 2018, 11:17:14 PM
Christ Lizz your killing it tonight.

Should bin Alan Myers off and have you outside finch farm next season 😎
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Morta75 on August 09, 2018, 11:39:26 PM
Looking forward to see him in a Everton jersey  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 10, 2018, 01:09:59 AM
Poor stats, courtesy of Kramer, but itís low risk with it being a loan.

Looks tidy on the ball and with a good engine. Could well suit our 433. Silva obviously sees something in him that he can use.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bluenuck on August 10, 2018, 01:30:01 AM
Poor stats, courtesy of Kramer, but itís low risk with it being a loan.

Looks tidy on the ball and with a good engine. Could well suit our 433. Silva obviously sees something in him that he can use.

Problem with those stats is they don't really show the player as an individual. There's still the bi product of who he plays with and where he plays and what system he plays in. There great stats and they show a lot, and it's a cool circle and all, too. But analytical stats in team sports other than baseball are, again, way to heavily reliant on other factors. It does help give more of a "view" of how good the player is, but there's to much grey area. Gomes may "click" with Richarlison and start making 3 through balls and 10 key passes a game and all of a sudden he's an awesome player by those stats.

This is where Silva and Brands have to identify decent players that will be even better in the system they want to play. Just have to look across the park to see how they've done it with a few players.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 10, 2018, 02:33:52 AM
 :shock:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkLmPAcXoAEwH1U.jpg)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 10, 2018, 02:40:40 AM
Christ
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on August 10, 2018, 02:41:53 AM
He looks like he should be diving off rocks in an aftershave advert.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 10, 2018, 02:56:16 AM
Heís a super hunk.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 10, 2018, 03:01:34 AM
Wow. What a bunch of sluts. And you moan at me for perving over the Sky Sports girls ;)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Confucius on August 10, 2018, 03:03:32 AM
He looks like he could be related to @Sir Stealth (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=904)  and myself
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on August 10, 2018, 03:05:03 AM
Be still my beating cock  :shock:


https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1027641045335650305?s=20
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 10, 2018, 04:12:19 AM
Is there a clause in this to buy him? Read 2.8m fee and all his wages but no mention of a clause to buy
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on August 10, 2018, 04:14:58 AM
Is there a clause in this to buy him? Read 2.8m fee and all his wages but no mention of a clause to buy

Ine of the Spanish reports said we do, but didnt name the price.  None of the English press has reported one that I've seen.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lazarou on August 10, 2018, 04:22:43 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">💙 Very happy and thrilled to play in such an historic club. Thank you @everton (https://twitter.com/Everton?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) for the confidence and the welcome. Eager to play on the magical Goodison Park! #GoToffees (https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoToffees?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) #COYB (https://twitter.com/hashtag/COYB?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) https://t.co/kuXJqOdyeM (https://t.co/kuXJqOdyeM)</p>&mdash; Andrť Gomes (@aftgomes) August 9, 2018 (https://twitter.com/aftgomes/status/1027663466792931329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on August 10, 2018, 04:34:31 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">💙 Very happy and thrilled to play in such an historic club. Thank you @everton (https://twitter.com/Everton?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) for the confidence and the welcome. Eager to play on the magical Goodison Park! #GoToffees (https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoToffees?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) #COYB (https://twitter.com/hashtag/COYB?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) https://t.co/kuXJqOdyeM (https://t.co/kuXJqOdyeM)</p>&mdash; Andrť Gomes (@aftgomes) August 9, 2018 (https://twitter.com/aftgomes/status/1027663466792931329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

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Charming as well as handsome
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 10, 2018, 07:33:01 PM
https://twitter.com/aftgomes/status/1027889237918720000
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 10, 2018, 07:40:58 PM
God, weíve signed some fucking adorable players, havenít we.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toffee1 on August 10, 2018, 07:45:07 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1027898471771267072
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on August 10, 2018, 07:55:54 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1027898471771267072

Yeah, I saw that.

Still, we had no option to buy Lukaku either.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 10, 2018, 08:26:51 PM
It's all a dream int it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 10, 2018, 09:45:25 PM
Yeah, I saw that.

Still, we had no option to buy Lukaku either.

Surprised/ I wouldnít think he was a player they were really intending to keep/ maybe heís still highly rated there despite his tough start
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blargins on August 10, 2018, 09:50:16 PM
What type of midfielder is he? I see some saying he should replace Schneiderlin but I thought he was more of an attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 10, 2018, 09:50:52 PM
Surprised/ I wouldn’t think he was a player they were really intending to keep/ maybe he’s still highly rated there despite his tough start

I think we all wanted the deal done as soon as possible so didn't want to start negotiating any buy clause

If he has a good season here we'll make it permanent, same with Zouma
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on August 10, 2018, 10:01:57 PM
What type of midfielder is he? I see some saying he should replace Schneiderlin but I thought he was more of an attacking midfielder.

A #8 ball carrier really, a bit like what weíve been asking Gana to be
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on August 10, 2018, 10:26:11 PM
Iíd say heís a more refined Ross Barkley.

I want to say heís a Barkley/arteta hybrid but I donít think he quite has the quality on the ball that arteta had.

Still heís in that type of mould.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on August 11, 2018, 04:51:06 AM
Iíd say heís a more refined Ross Barkley.

I want to say heís a Barkley/arteta hybrid but I donít think he quite has the quality on the ball that arteta had.

Still heís in that type of mould.
Honestly no idea where you get this confidence in him from, but fair play you are banging that drum hard brother.

If he turns out anything like a Mikel Arteta/Ross Barkley hybrid heíll probably be my favourite ever player.
Title: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Chris-EFC on August 11, 2018, 04:54:15 AM
.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 11, 2018, 05:15:45 AM
All fair.

Riqui Puig is the new successor I believe.

Think theyíll struggle with Busquets as well tbh.

Just re-read my post. Oh boy. Iím glad you got the gist of it as itís blitzed rambling at best. Iíve missed out at least 3 or 4 words in there too.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: wilbur on August 11, 2018, 05:20:18 AM
Dom King has now talked about Andre Gomes, looks like were in for him, he says unclear whether for loan or permanent transfer

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blue1948 on August 11, 2018, 11:41:24 AM
Not 100% related but it was reported that Richarlison wanted to come because he had a bit of a language problem after Marco left ,it is interesting to see they have built a small group now of Portuguese speaking .I am sure it is no coincidence despite Marco being from Portugal it will help them all bed in easier
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 04:14:14 PM
Tweeting his way into my heart...

https://twitter.com/aftgomes/status/1028367763486724098
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: toffee_scot on August 13, 2018, 01:17:50 AM
Didn't realise before that he could speak English, that should hopefully make things easier settling in and help the likes of Richarlison and Bernard with any communication issues early on.

Looking forward to seeing him play once he gets over his current injury.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on August 13, 2018, 07:21:55 PM
Does anyone know what his injury is and how long he's going to be before fit for selection, apologies if its already been said .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 13, 2018, 07:24:19 PM
Does anyone know what his injury is and how long he's going to be before fit for selection, apologies if its already been said .

Hamstring

Think he said 3 weeks to someone on twitter/Instagram
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on August 13, 2018, 07:28:44 PM
Iíd say heís a more refined Ross Barkley.

I want to say heís a Barkley/arteta hybrid but I donít think he quite has the quality on the ball that arteta had.

Still heís in that type of mould.

That's about how I'd have described him.  Defence gives him the ball, he carries it 40 yards then has the ability to play a simple ball to someone else, but he can also shoot or has some finesse to play the difficult ball.  What he won't do is chase about opposition midfielders like Arteta could do.  So Arteta with longer legs but slightly less tenacity and guile?  He's definitely more a Sigurdsson replacement than Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on August 13, 2018, 07:29:03 PM
..
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Outworlder47 on August 13, 2018, 10:20:43 PM
Supposedly aiming to be back in training (week of 3 September), so maybe a cameo for West Ham at home or Arsenal away?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 14, 2018, 02:01:26 AM
The midfielder with lots of talent that doesnít contribute to anything constructive (according to stats supplied by Kramer). Iím definitely intrigued.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: dekko on August 14, 2018, 02:06:14 AM
Could end up being another Arteta and do wonders here.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on August 24, 2018, 04:46:34 AM
Dunno 'bout anyone else, but I'm man-crushing pretty hard here. Ooft.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 24, 2018, 04:47:01 AM
Oh he's a looker alright
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on August 24, 2018, 04:58:44 AM
Just hope he plays as good as he looks 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on August 24, 2018, 06:51:53 AM
Just hope he plays as good as he looks 

Some player!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cassius on August 24, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
Dunno 'bout anyone else, but I'm man-crushing pretty hard here. Ooft.

He's magnificent, isn't he?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 24, 2018, 01:33:05 PM
Iím 40 years old, married with kids and have never once questioned my sexuality - then Andre Gomes walks into my life and all of a sudden Iím so confused!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cozzie on August 24, 2018, 03:01:39 PM
We deffo have the sexiest team in the league now.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on August 24, 2018, 03:03:16 PM
Iím 40 years old, married with kids and have never once questioned my sexuality - then Andre Gomes walks into my life and all of a sudden Iím so confused!

Heís certainly an upgrade on Phil Neville in that department.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on August 24, 2018, 03:48:56 PM
He's the absolute double of me
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blue slug on August 24, 2018, 03:49:29 PM
Heís certainly an upgrade on Phil Neville in that department.

Quisimodo would be an upgrade on phil
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hawkandro on August 24, 2018, 04:31:41 PM
He's the absolute double of me

Are you my long lost twin brother?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2018, 01:37:18 AM
Rumoured he's had a setback and will be out for at least another month
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 30, 2018, 01:39:38 AM
Rumoured he's had a setback and will be out for at least another month

I just posted it in the match thread, its not a rumour.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blue slug on August 30, 2018, 01:39:47 AM
When is Mina available
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2018, 01:44:35 AM
When is Mina available

After the international break so the West Ham game
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blue slug on August 30, 2018, 01:46:01 AM
Thanks macca
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: mikey_blue on October 22, 2018, 12:51:16 AM
Thought he had a really solid debut. It'll do him wonders that.

What's everyones thoughts on him?

Beautiful man.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mac934 on October 22, 2018, 12:58:14 AM
Played well, do him the world of good that will. Lasted longer than I thought he would. He will be great for us I reckon.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2018, 12:58:40 AM
Solid, would've liked him to be a bit more adventurous with his passing.

That was one of the issues for us today and he had the opportunity to take a more risky chance or two but opted for the simpler option. Hopefully as he gets up to speed he'll try a Gareth Barry style through ball or two from that position.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Polledreng on October 22, 2018, 12:58:44 AM
Thought he had a really solid debut. It'll do him wonders that.

What's everyones thoughts on him?

Beautiful man.
won't comment on the look but he looked so calm today. Can see him being a big upgrade
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 22, 2018, 01:01:19 AM
Think heís got a nice range of passing with both feet, and showed a nice weight of pass a few times. Excellent close control as well. Love a rangy, long legged centre mid.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bluenuck on October 22, 2018, 01:03:25 AM
Thought he was okay.

Not good not bad kinda thing.

Obviously he isnít fully ready yet so I expect more in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 22, 2018, 01:10:25 AM
Looks to potentially have it all, great first game.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 22, 2018, 01:27:46 AM
Thought he was handsome as hell. If that's a rusty performance he could be a very good signing

Also thought Gana was great today
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Simon Paul on October 22, 2018, 01:29:46 AM
absolutely gutted he's only on loan
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2018, 01:31:20 AM
Heís a presence, isnít he.

Played the pass of the game into Walcott and in general looked a very good player.

Not your typical continental midfielder. Seems to have a little bit more to him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2018, 01:37:49 AM
absolutely gutted he's only on loan

He hasn't really done it at Barca has he? Not that he'd be the first to struggle with that sort of move. I know Barca fans were pretty down on him. I'd hope there would be a decent chance if it works out for all parties we can bring him in.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 22, 2018, 01:41:29 AM
absolutely gutted he's only on loan

60 million buy out clause apparently

He's ours in the summer
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on October 22, 2018, 01:42:01 AM
Heís much better defensively than I thought, really put himself about
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on October 22, 2018, 01:43:21 AM
60 million buy out clause apparently

He's ours in the summer

They bought him for 35 and heís been a flop, why would he now be worth 60?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 22, 2018, 01:44:21 AM
They bought him for 35 and heís been a flop, why would he now be worth 60?

It's what Spanish club's do
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 22, 2018, 01:45:04 AM
He's Schneiderlin but with an ability to actually tackle.. Think he'll be great when fully match acclimatised... Bonus is he can play with Geye, wereas the other can't.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2018, 01:45:10 AM
They bought him for 35 and heís been a flop, why would he now be worth 60?

Every player in Spain has a buyout clause by law and theyíre all massive fees.

It means nothing really.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on October 22, 2018, 01:56:39 AM
I thought we had the option to buy a part of the deal? They were desperate to offload him

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 22, 2018, 02:01:21 AM
Andre Gomesí stats against Crystal Palace:

Touches - 76
Successful passes - 56
Successful forward passes - 22
Successful attacking third passes - 17
Successful long balls - 4
Pass accuracy - 90%
Recoveries - 9
Interceptions - 2
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 22, 2018, 02:01:48 AM
A great debut.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on October 22, 2018, 02:07:22 AM
He was everything I thought and hoped he'd be after he'd played about 10 games and got up to speed.  To do that and last 80 minutes in your first competitive game in 6 months was incredible for me.

On the ball he was composed and confident, and off it he worked hard too.  Most importantly, he stopped about 3/4 of their breaks on halfway without even fouling, which you know if it had been McCarthy, Davies or Schneiderlin would have been nailed on fouls and yellow cards.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on October 22, 2018, 02:16:16 AM
Strong, accelerates quickly and plays the right pass a lot of the time. I don't hate Schneiderlin and rate him as a player  but with Davies in reserve as well I reckon he's done.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 22, 2018, 02:19:33 AM
All things considered it was a good debut.

Think as he plays more his passing will get more adventurous.

Showed glimpses of it today but kept it simple a lot which was fine.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on October 22, 2018, 02:20:38 AM
Missed the first hour as I was watching the Cardiff Blues. He was good then yeah?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on October 22, 2018, 02:27:34 AM
Missed the first hour as I was watching the Cardiff Blues. He was good then yeah?

Cardiff Blues, my goodness I feel your pain and I support the Ospreys...that was a kit clash today as well!

As for Gomes, I think he'll be great the more minutes he gets under his belt...starting to look like an exciting side with a good bench
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cassius on October 22, 2018, 02:30:55 AM
I only saw the last 20 mins and was mainly fixated on how beautiful a man he is. Glad to hear he had a good game.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on October 22, 2018, 02:31:01 AM
Cardiff Blues, my goodness I feel your pain and I support the Ospreys...that was a kit clash today as well!

As for Gomes, I think he'll be great the more minutes he gets under his belt...starting to look like an exciting side with a good bench

How that was allowed to happen today was shambolic - doesn't even happen at U-8 level.

Excited about Gomes. I've got the game recorded so may watch it in its entirety
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on October 22, 2018, 02:38:07 AM
He was very good today. Played 15-20 yards further forward than Schneiderlin ever has and looks like a proper box to box midfielder. At one point he was actually the last man bringing the ball out from the back, and five minutes later having a shot at the edge of their box.

Very promising for a debut indeed.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on October 22, 2018, 02:44:49 AM
absolutely gutted he's only on loan

Itís only one game.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Nicco on October 22, 2018, 02:56:17 AM
It's only one game.
No, I think he is here for the whole season.

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: dekko on October 22, 2018, 03:03:34 AM
So we have an option to buy?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 03:10:31 AM
Heís a presence, isnít he.

Played the pass of the game into Walcott and in general looked a very good player.

Not your typical continental midfielder. Seems to have a little bit more to him.

Was it him who played Walcott in for the 1v1? If so very encouraging.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 22, 2018, 03:12:51 AM
Looked calm and classy in possession. The opinions from fans reminds me a little of when Schneiderlin started his first game for us. I think this fella seems like he's a level or 2 above Morgs.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2018, 03:14:41 AM
So we have an option to buy?

No. But we can still buy him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on October 22, 2018, 03:22:58 AM
Looked calm and classy in possession. The opinions from fans reminds me a little of when Schneiderlin started his first game for us. I think this fella seems like he's a level or 2 above Morgs.

His willingness to pick up the ball and be able to glide forward 20 yards pretty effortlessly puts him comfortably a level ahead of what Schneiderlin has ever been able to do.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on October 22, 2018, 03:26:51 AM
Didnít really impress much but then itís only his first game after a lay off.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on October 22, 2018, 03:30:09 AM
Even in his rusty game he's shown he is streets ahead id what we have and compliments both Guaye and Sig styles ....here's hoping it's a match made in heaven for us :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 03:57:17 AM
Can see why Silva likes him. Few signs of lung-busting Doucore style strides out of midfield with the ball at his feet.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on October 22, 2018, 04:22:00 AM
Didnít really impress much but then itís only his first game after a lay off.

Thought he was a class act until he understandably tired before going off.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on October 22, 2018, 04:30:17 AM
Didnít really impress much but then itís only his first game after a lay off.

Standard
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 22, 2018, 04:47:25 AM
Was it him who played Walcott in for the 1v1? If so very encouraging.
That was Sigurddson.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 22, 2018, 04:53:42 AM
Like a young better looking Gareth Barry.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on October 22, 2018, 04:58:22 AM
I reckon the lack of option to buy was because the loan was so rushed, and complicated by the Mina situation as well as his own injury.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 22, 2018, 05:02:50 AM
I reckon the lack of option to buy was because the loan was so rushed, and complicated by the Mina situation as well as his own injury.

Defo the rush. Barca spent most of the summer trying to sell him, so it's not as though they're adverse to a sale. We probably just didn't have chance to negotiate the clause. I'd be amazed if it hadn't been discussed verbally by all parties involved.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 22, 2018, 06:12:49 AM
Defo the rush. Barca spent most of the summer trying to sell him, so it's not as though they're adverse to a sale. We probably just didn't have chance to negotiate the clause. I'd be amazed if it hadn't been discussed verbally by all parties involved.
Didnt we want him earlier but they wanted Ä45 mil so we went back late offering a loan.

"Listen lads, we've bought Mina and Digne here, just throw him in as well"
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Heisenberg on October 22, 2018, 06:31:06 AM
I reckon he proper dictated the game today. Always wanted the ball and always made himself available. The passing outlet weíve needed in middle since forever
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Confucius on October 22, 2018, 01:51:12 PM
Thought he was a little ponderous on the ball. Palace didnít press so he had time on the ball but he took too much of it and allowed them to get their bus parked. Itís why bernard and Richardson hardly got a sniff.

Itís his first game and heíll will get better but hardly set the world alight against a very average Palace team
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 01:51:47 PM
That was Sigurddson.

Crikey was he playing
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 22, 2018, 02:05:27 PM
Pretty solid debut, couldn't of asked for more really
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eugene on October 22, 2018, 02:30:18 PM
Found out why the busies where packing today, they got a tip-off that a sniper was at Goodison and they where right cos Gomes deffo got taken out pmsl
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 22, 2018, 03:20:20 PM
Found out why the busies where packing today, they got a tip-off that a sniper was at Goodison and they where right cos Gomes deffo got taken out pmsl

What does this even mean?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eugene on October 22, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
What does this even mean?
Didnít you see him go down?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on October 22, 2018, 03:34:29 PM
Didnít you see him go down?

Who, Gomes ? No
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2018, 03:47:26 PM
Went on his arse late on didnít he?

Think that was when the tank emptied.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Simon Paul on October 22, 2018, 03:55:20 PM
Went on his arse late on didn't he?

Think that was when the tank emptied.
Just ran himself over. Defo tiredness that and it was pretty obvious to everyone that he had given everything at that point
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on October 22, 2018, 03:55:32 PM
Went on his arse late on didnít he?

Think that was when the tank emptied.

Ah yes, looked like he tripped over his own foot, was definitely running on empty by then.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on October 22, 2018, 03:56:38 PM
Looks a bit like a young Gareth Barry to me.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on October 22, 2018, 04:04:18 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Bluegrenades/status/1054053755107328000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1054053755107328000&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.caughtoffside.com%2F2018%2F10%2F21%2Fevertons-andre-gomes-funny-video-vs-crystal-palace%2F

Tackled by a ghost. ..he was spent by then fair play to him .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on October 22, 2018, 04:05:36 PM
Tall, two footed, moves through midfield with the ball at his feet easily and at a good age to improve. Hopefully this will be the place where he gets his mojo back. Cue a move to Man U in the summer once we've broke him in.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 04:24:28 PM
He is deffo the kind of player who LOOKS very good.

How much he will do weíll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 22, 2018, 04:34:01 PM
He is deffo the kind of player who LOOKS very good.

How much he will do we'll have to wait and see.
I'd take that performance every week tbh
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 04:43:31 PM
I'd take that performance every week tbh

Not saying he played badly, but if that was what you got from him every week then heíd get hounded out the club by the end of the year for being Schneiderlin in disguise.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2018, 04:57:12 PM
Done a lot more in that game than Morgan ever has here.

Played a good through ball for a start and had a bit of a run about.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on October 22, 2018, 05:06:22 PM
Played two good balls.

The through ball to Walcott on our left hand side and the ball inbetween the lines to Sigurdsson edit: Schneiderlin even (who played it through to Walcott who missed his chance).

Can’t tell you that last time Sigurdsson played passes like that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 05:08:52 PM
I assume you mean Schneiderlin^

I personally thought he was tidy and leggy but safety first.

He also plays much more advanced than Schneiderlin so you should expect some differences like. He should be compared to Davies more than anyone, and Davies does make those passes.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bally on October 22, 2018, 05:12:22 PM
Went on his arse late on didn't he?

Think that was when the tank emptied.
Yeah he was trying to play a through ball and just over ran himself, but was excellent otherwise, was expecting the gmae to pass him by a little but his presence gave Gana free reign, Gana benefitted greatly and Gomes' passing range with both feet impressed me a lot.

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 22, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
I assume you mean Schneiderlin^

I personally thought he was tidy and leggy but safety first.

He also plays much more advanced than Schneiderlin so you should expect some differences like. He should be compared to Davies more than anyone, and Davies does make those passes.
He's a massive step up from Davies
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on October 22, 2018, 05:42:18 PM
I assume you mean Schneiderlin^

I personally thought he was tidy and leggy but safety first.

He also plays much more advanced than Schneiderlin so you should expect some differences like. He should be compared to Davies more than anyone, and Davies does make those passes.

I think the more advanced role of Gomes will help us as a team press higher up the pitch.

However, over the next few months, he needs to shift his feet that tad quicker when he is on the ball. In La Liga he would be a gem of a player, as you have more time, but in the PL, some adaptations need to happen to make this position his own.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 06:31:15 PM
He's a massive step up from Davies

Is he?

Weíre getting well ahead of ourselves imo.

Good pass % but he was quite safe in a game where we had all of the ball.

No key passes, no assists or chances created, no shots on target.

Actually yeah I think it was representative of what weíll get from him. In his absolute best ever year in la liga, he was still an average player with good dribbling.

Just so we adjust our expectations a little bit like. Can deffo see why silva likes him but he hasnít blown my socks off in the way some of yous are talking.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on October 22, 2018, 06:33:42 PM
Feel like you’ve made your mind up tbh brap

It’s okay to be wrong.

GLewis is the best poster going but said Kane was a one season wonder.

Happens to us all.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cozzie on October 22, 2018, 06:45:06 PM
Got to admit, I did piss myself laughing when he went down there at the end.

Thought he did ok considering how long he has been out for.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eugene on October 22, 2018, 06:45:30 PM
Found out why the busies where packing today, they got a tip-off that a sniper was at Goodison and they where right cos Gomes deffo got taken out pmsl
So THATS cleared up then, and thatís the last time I try humour
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 06:54:06 PM
Feel like youíve made your mind up tbh brap

Itís okay to be wrong.

GLewis is the best poster going but said Kane was a one season wonder.

Happens to us all.

Whoscored rated him at 6.4, Tom Davies average this year is 6.6

No worries, will accept apologies in DMís or publically.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2018, 07:00:24 PM
Whoscored rated him at 6.4, Tom Davies average this year is 6.6

No worries, will accept apologies in DMís or publically.

Ohh well if Whoscored bloody said so.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on October 22, 2018, 07:01:41 PM
Thought he was a little ponderous on the ball. Palace didnít press so he had time on the ball but he took too much of it and allowed them to get their bus parked. Itís why bernard and Richardson hardly got a sniff.

Itís his first game and heíll will get better but hardly set the world alight against a very average Palace team

Exactly like the rest of the team really. The gushing praise seems a bit premeditated.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Simon Paul on October 22, 2018, 07:02:07 PM
Exactly like the rest of the team really. The gushing praise seems a bit premeditated.



he is incredibly handsome though
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on October 22, 2018, 07:05:03 PM
he is incredibly handsome though

Peter Beardsley looked like he was born in the ugly tree and hit his face on every branch on the way out but he couldnít half play.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 22, 2018, 07:05:59 PM
Is he?

We're getting well ahead of ourselves imo.

Good pass % but he was quite safe in a game where we had all of the ball.

No key passes, no assists or chances created, no shots on target.

Actually yeah I think it was representative of what we'll get from him. In his absolute best ever year in la liga, he was still an average player with good dribbling.

Just so we adjust our expectations a little bit like. Can deffo see why silva likes him but he hasn't blown my socks off in the way some of yous are talking.
Yeah, he really really is
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 07:06:21 PM
Ohh well if Whoscored bloody said so.

Iím not even saying he played badly btw, just think he was OK against a non existent palace midfield & we shouldnít declare the midfield issue resolved yet.

Give yous all a few weeks to get over the fact that he is good looking and previously sat on Barcelonaís bench if you like and we can revisit over crimbo.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 22, 2018, 07:08:35 PM
His weight of pass is already our best in CM. Not really sure there has been 'gushing praise'. Mostly just people who liked the look of him, and think he can offer something to the team.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: cantoffee on October 22, 2018, 07:09:22 PM
Thought he was ok, not as impressive as others feel but dont want to be too harsh as it was his first game in awhile.

Thought he was a bit ponderous at times and didnt move the ball forward quickly enough. That's one of the things Davies does well and why he and Gana work together. Davies has mixed success with that but he forces the issue and Gomes will need to do that from time to time against teams like Palace.

Hopefully more to come as he settles in and gets up to speed.

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 22, 2018, 07:09:30 PM
Don't think they measure weight of pass on whoscored unfortunately.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2018, 07:09:40 PM
Iím not even saying he played badly btw, just think he was OK against a non existent palace midfield & we shouldnít declare the midfield issue resolved yet.

Give yous all a few weeks to get over the fact that he is good looking and previously sat on Barcelonaís bench if you like and we can revisit over crimbo.

I think most people agree with you though. A

Good debut, showed some good signs, but will need to be a bit better once he's fully up to speed though
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
He had a decent debut, all the better for how little he has played for so long.

I've mentioned before that i think current stats are a really poor benchmark for certain positions. I think Gomes is a perfect example of that.
Key passes definitely aren't the be all and end all for certain midfielders.

He showed for the ball all game (more than Schneiderlin does) he would look to turn and carry the ball forward (more than McCarthy does) and tried to switch play (i.e. cross-field passes) to up-tempo, create space and put us on the front-foot (more than Davies does).

Do i think Davies will be a better player? Yes
Do i think Davies is currently a better player? On this showing, probably not.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 07:37:03 PM
He had a decent debut, all the better for how little he has played for so long.

I've mentioned before that i think current stats are a really poor benchmark for certain positions. I think Gomes is a perfect example of that.
Key passes definitely aren't the be all and end all for certain midfielders.

He showed for the ball all game (more than Schneiderlin does) he would look to turn and carry the ball forward (more than McCarthy does) and tried to switch play (i.e. cross-field passes) to up-tempo, create space and put us on the front-foot (more than Davies does).

Do i think Davies will be a better player? Yes
Do i think Davies is currently a better player? On this showing, probably not.


Regardless of stats - against a non existent midfield did he manage to actually do anything?

Game changed when we brought on our best 1v1 player.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 22, 2018, 07:48:12 PM
Regardless of stats - against a non existent midfield did he manage to actually do anything?

Game changed when we brought on our best 1v1 player.

Yes, he did lots. That's sort of my point.
He showed for the ball.
He turned with the ball as soon as he received it.
He looked to make a forward pass and, where there wasn't one, seemed really adept at cross-field play-switching.

He dropped a couple of really good cross-field balls that instantly put us on an attacking foot.
I buy your point that Palace's midfield allowed him space. But i think that is also countered by the fact he will also be well off the pace.

I think you and a few others on here maybe aren't asking the right question.
The question isn't "Is he the answer to that really important midfield question we have?"
the question is "Is the our best option currently for the midfield question we have?".

If yesterday wasn't just about adrenaline and that is genuinely his style of play, then i want Davies to absorb that "culture" and add his own rambunctious edge to it.
The job is to funnel people into the destructive force of Gana, show for the ball, bring it 5/10/15 yards and then get the ball to an assist maker in an area they can do some damage.
90% of his game time should be that. Due to that, most of his stats will look shite, because a lot of them lay-offs are not considered "key".
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 22, 2018, 07:49:10 PM
Hard to tell off just one game. He didnít play badly at all though, retained possession well and looked for the forward pass. The next few games for him will all be about getting match fit, so try not to be too critical of him.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 22, 2018, 07:50:47 PM
Regardless of stats - against a non existent midfield did he manage to actually do anything?

Game changed when we brought on our best 1v1 player.

Whoscored rated their midfielders as 7.1, 6.6, 6.4 and 6.0, so I'm not sure it was non existent. Also they flooded midfield with Townsend and Zaha sometimes making it 6 in midfield.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 07:59:31 PM
End of the day, I would 100% start him next week and I liked what I saw, but he wasnít that good so please donít fool yourself into thinking he was.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2018, 08:00:08 PM
Got three good midfielders have Palace

Ridiculous to say their midfield was non existent.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2018, 08:02:00 PM
Got three good midfielders have Palace

Ridiculous to say their midfield was non existent.

They wanted absolutely nothing to do with the ball at all. Sit back and lash it to zaha asap.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hesmenos on October 22, 2018, 10:26:39 PM
I'm with Brap on this one. He had a good game for a player who has been out for so long and has never played with any of his teammates before. But some of the praise on here is over the top. What we saw was that he definitely has the technical ability but we don't know if he'll be able to do it game in game out. Or whether he'll be able to do it when put under more pressure than the Palace midfield put him under. There were a couple of times when he was caught in possession yesterday, which if it had happened to Davies would have had the fans moaning at him.
I'm definitely willing to give him the time to show what he can do when match fit and acclimatised to the Premier League but it will take time.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 22, 2018, 10:30:20 PM
He was caught in possession yesterday, which if it had happened to Davies would have had the fans moaning at him.

Whilst i am happy to bang the Gomes drum (albeit with the caveats you and @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) have raised), i cannot agree enough with this statement.

There would have been very loud groans if Davies had have played the exact same game.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on October 22, 2018, 10:49:14 PM
Whilst i am happy to bang the Gomes drum (albeit with the caveats you and @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) have raised), i cannot agree enough with this statement.

There woulyd have been very loud groans if Davies had have played the exact same game.

It's a throw away statement though in reality ....
Davies has had a season and a bit v Gomes one game and already they seem on a par. ...I really hope Gomes can push on and Davies can learn lots from him too .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on October 22, 2018, 10:53:10 PM
I thought gomes looked better than Davies has as he moved the ball well and looked much more composed.

He did look a tad sluggish at times so hoping he 'll find another 5-10% with fitness. Overall a good start though
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2018, 11:07:39 PM
I like Davies but he can be very erratic in his passing.

Gomes was very composed and I hardly recall him losing possession.

Yeah he was a bit too conservative at times, but Iím putting that down to bedding himself into the game.

Times in that second half where he was dictating the game with his use of the ball.

In terms of passing the ball, it was a level above what Davies has given us in that role so far.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Nicco on October 22, 2018, 11:53:25 PM
Sergio Busquets who is considered to be a very strong passer has, in his 406 games for Barcelona and Spain, been registered for 27 assists, 0,7 key passes in average and 0,1 through balls in average.

But I dont think anybody would say that hus influence on games is poor to non-existent even if the stats regarding his passing suggest otherwise.

Iniesta has in 362 games 72 assists, 1,3 key passes and 0,5 through balls. Better but I always thought his stats were of the chart like...



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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on October 22, 2018, 11:55:20 PM
As @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) mentioned, his weight of pass (seemingly with both feet) is a big upgrade on other options.

Iím assuming he could end up playing a similar role as Dembele does for Spurs.

As he can use both feet, is big (and therefore with time in PL should develop shielding skills etc) and also can move forward with the ball I think weíd see the benefit over a number of games of keeping a bit more momentum in moves.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 23, 2018, 12:03:48 AM
I thought he was sound. I donít mind Davies at all but Iíd play this guy ahead of him. Middle of the pitch is a tough one, Davies should be blooded in properly because itís a bit weird the amount of pressure on him.

I remember Gerrard being a headless chicken throwing in about 8 two-footers with studs up a game when he was late teens. So let this guy lay down some heavy minutes and let Davies influence the games that Silva can accommodate an inexperienced youngster in.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2018, 12:04:11 AM
As @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) mentioned, his weight of pass (seemingly with both feet) is a big upgrade on other options.

Iím assuming he could end up playing a similar role as Dembele does for Spurs.

As he can use both feet, is big (and therefore with time in PL should develop shielding skills etc) and also can move forward with the ball I think weíd see the benefit over a number of games of keeping a bit more momentum in moves.

This weight of pass thing feels a bit iffy to me. Maybe just a nuance of the game Iím dismissing as fluff tho.

The biggest and best upgrades he is offering over each is that heís willing to get on the ball and that he is physically powerful enough to dribble past people and create separation, which neither Davies or Gana can.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on October 23, 2018, 12:18:06 AM
This weight of pass thing feels a bit iffy to me. Maybe just a nuance of the game Iím dismissing as fluff tho.

The biggest and best upgrades he is offering over each is that heís willing to get on the ball and that he is physically powerful enough to dribble past people and create separation, which neither Davies or Gana can.

I just think that any player can kick it from the middle of the pitch to the wing etc but unless youíve got the force in the pass it can be easier to read and make a decision whether to intercept, stay back etc.

If weíre to continue to use the wings a lot weíll need to be able to get the ball from one side of the pitch to the other quickly to exploit the space there.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2018, 12:24:42 AM
I just think that any player can kick it from the middle of the pitch to the wing etc but unless you’ve got the force in the pass it can be easier to read and make a decision whether to intercept, stay back etc.

If we’re to continue to use the wings a lot we’ll need to be able to get the ball from one side of the pitch to the other quickly to exploit the space there.

Hm will keep my eyes open.

Not sure who I am to talk as I have a long standing grudge against jagielka because I think he plays simple passes either to players bad foot, into a player who is clearly about to get pressed, or right underneath peoples feet so they have no chance of receiving it properly. Not sure what you’d call that.

Weight of pass maybe!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 23, 2018, 12:25:57 AM
Clearly out best midfielder.

Can see that after only 3/4 of a game with practically zero proper match experience for months.

Could prove to be out most astute signing in what is proving to be our best window in years.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: formerKHL on October 23, 2018, 02:00:38 AM
I donít know how some of you people can even start to judge a player over only 3/4 of a game....after heís been out injured for 6 months....playing in a new team, new country, new league with new team mates...and new team ethos.....geniuses.....

What I look for in a player is firstly what he does without the ball......and his positional sense and work ethic was very good..very rarely if at all was he out of position....his presence in the midfield was massive.....maybe just maybe thatís why palaces midfielders were so ďnon existentĒ?....

Secondly a good player always seems to have lots of time and space when they have the ball....he did this very well...created space for himself and had time on the ball...that wasnt about palace midfielders not pressing him but more the fact he made time for himself..like good players do.....ok he got caught a couple of times in the second half as he tired......only expected...I was more surprised he lasted as long as he did.....

Stats donít cover these 2 key elements of what make a good player....

Bearing in mind this is what he did without the ball.....

On this showing for me he could be the best midfielder weíve had since arteta.....
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2018, 02:15:50 AM


Did play a bit more like a six actually didnít he. Especially second half.

Well Iíll take him over Schneiderlin anyway, and think he looks quite promising.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2018, 02:25:52 AM
I think with Gomes the potential is greater than weíve seen so far which lends itself to a bit of bias about how well he actually played.

Heís tall and has a rangy stride so you can imagine him when fully fit striding forward 20-30 yards with the ball, which is an asset no-one else in the squad has.

Heís also got a bigger frame, two footed and a sexy name. The old adage of Ďyou always kick your own dog harder than you kick someone elseísí rings true here. Heíll get away with more than Davies simply because heís not called Davies and heís not ours.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2018, 02:37:21 AM
This weight of pass thing feels a bit iffy to me. Maybe just a nuance of the game I’m dismissing as fluff tho.

The biggest and best upgrades he is offering over each is that he’s willing to get on the ball and that he is physically powerful enough to dribble past people and create separation, which neither Davies or Gana can.

You must've played yourself a bit? Surely you can understand the difference between someone who has a good weight of pass or not? It's appreciation of space, and knowing whether to zip it into feet, or to stroke it into someone's path.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2018, 03:01:24 AM
You must've played yourself a bit? Surely you can understand the difference between someone who has a good weight of pass or not? It's appreciation of space, and knowing whether to zip it into feet, or to stroke it into someone's path.

Yeah i get it I just mean, like how robust is it as an observation?

Like - I like how Calvert-Lewis runs, I think he looks smooth in his movements and can accelerate like a sprinter, but none of that is very robust as an observation about why heís a good player.

I like how Tosun scores different sorts of strikes, but itís not like a real thing is it. Part of it will be personal bias, part of it will be aesthetics, part of it will be confirmation bias. Put a number on how weighty the pass was out of weightyness and tell me why itís insightful and I could buy into it, other wise it just feels like nice stylistic fluff.

Not saying itís not important, just yeah, might not be very tangible.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2018, 03:06:42 AM
Yeah i get it I just mean, like how robust is it as an observation?

Like - I like how Calvert-Lewis runs, I think he looks smooth in his movements and can accelerate like a sprinter, but none of that is very robust as an observation about why he’s a good player.

I like how Tosun scores different sorts of strikes, but it’s not like a real thing is it. Part of it will be personal bias, part of it will be aesthetics, part of it will be confirmation bias. Put a number on how weighty the pass was out of weightyness and tell me why it’s insightful and I could buy into it, other wise it just feels like nice stylistic fluff.

Not saying it’s not important, just yeah, might not be very tangible.

I get what you're saying yes. I'm not sure it's particularly measurable as a metric, but that's football eh? Some of the most important facets of the game aren't necessarily measurable statistically, which illustrates the limitations of just taking a stats based approach to analysis.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2018, 03:14:10 AM
I get what you're saying yes. I'm not sure it's particularly measurable as a metric, but that's football eh? Some of the most important facets of the game aren't necessarily measurable statistically, which illustrates the limitations of just taking a stats based approach to analysis.

Agree. Think itís actually ruining footy for me a bit to be honest. Iíve become fixated on metrics I barely understand when deep down I just wanna see a few step overs and a big header.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mouse on October 23, 2018, 03:19:24 AM
I thought he just oozed class, he has that arrogant strut around the pitch that leaves you wondering how someone who seems to move so economically seems to be always in the right place. The weight of pass is a very good point as it allows the receiver to let the ball do a lot of the work for him.

But, I have to caution myself, it's very similar to how I saw Schneiderlin's performances when he first arrived. Having said that, given this was his first competitive outing in 6 months, he really impressed and the potential is mind-blowing.

In fairness, I do think comparisons with Davies are unfair to Davies. There are very few 20 year old CM's in their second full season who would stand comparison against a 25 year old good enough to be taken by Barcelona. Davies has time and possibly a much needed role model on his side.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 23, 2018, 04:19:29 AM
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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 23, 2018, 03:15:07 PM
Agree. Think itís actually ruining footy for me a bit to be honest. Iíve become fixated on metrics I barely understand when deep down I just wanna see a few step overs and a big header.

I do get that feeling fella. You're journey from "Wow @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) , what are these funky looking diagrams" to "You can't measure it, so it may not be relevant as to whether someone is good" has been clear to those who look out for your posts.

Stats are useful and have their place. Our management team will be elbow deep in them.
For many, many, many things they are vitally important. But as with all statistics, they're fundamentally flawed in isolation.

I love a good heat map though.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2018, 03:23:47 PM
I do get that feeling fella. You're journey from "Wow @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) , what are these funky looking diagrams" to "You can't measure it, so it may not be relevant as to whether someone is good" has been clear to those who look out for your posts.

Stats are useful and have their place. Our management team will be elbow deep in them.
For many, many, many things they are vitally important. But as with all statistics, they're fundamentally flawed in isolation.

I love a good heat map though.

Yeah I know it myself mate. Yesterday trying to argue that weight of pass isn’t measurable so should be disregarded just felt like a million miles away from how I enjoy the game as a spectator.

Part of the issue is I think that it’s been very clear Everton actually are not all over this sort of thing, and have been making very costly mistakes. You see this wealth of research and you think - if we are going to take a step forward, it’s going to be by embracing and gaming this kind of information, not disregarding it and signing Davy Klaasen. Absolutely desperate for everton to stop letting me down, and this has felt to me like the answer.

However at the end of the day I’m not massively knowledgeable, I listen to pods and read blogs and a lot of the opinions I’ve formed have played out to be fair, so I do still believe in a lot of it, especially when it passes the eye test but at some point I’ve started giving myself a weird existential crisis and probably doing everyone’s head in on here to boot.

Plus, we signed richarlison despite scorn, because the manager believed in him and his underlying numbers were still very strong. Maybe we’ve turned a corner.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 23, 2018, 03:32:09 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1054417036531654658

This response tho...

https://twitter.com/WillSliney/status/1054449197808844801
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 23, 2018, 03:35:26 PM
Yeah I know it myself mate. Yesterday trying to argue that weight of pass isnít measurable so should be disregarded just felt like a million miles away from how I enjoy the game as a spectator.

Part of the issue is I think that itís been very clear Everton actually are not all over this sort of thing, and have been making very costly mistakes. You see this wealth of research and you think - if we are going to take a step forward, itís going to be by embracing and gaming this kind of information, not disregarding it and signing Davy Klaasen. Absolutely desperate for everton to stop letting me down, and this has felt to me like the answer.

However at the end of the day Iím not massively knowledgeable, I listen to pods and read blogs and a lot of the opinions Iíve formed have played out to be fair, so I do still believe in a lot of it, especially when it passes the eye test but at some point Iíve started giving myself a weird existential crisis and probably doing everyoneís head in on here to boot.

Plus, we signed richarlison despite scorn, because the manager believed in him and his underlying numbers were still very strong. Maybe weíve turned a corner.


I think it's both and that's the main difference between baseball and football - and what a lot of us have said.

The stats, for so many positions, for so many things is crucial.
But there is still a massive place for gut-instinct in the game.

The top clubs in the world have the same data we do and will hoover up the players we need to become a top club.
Our only way forward is either luck of local youth recruitment or a manager/DoF with a "feeling" about a handful of players.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on October 23, 2018, 09:21:34 PM
Agree. Think itís actually ruining footy for me a bit to be honest. Iíve become fixated on metrics I barely understand when deep down I just wanna see a few step overs and a big header.

Yeah, it's not supposed to ruin your enjoyment of the game. Without the fun factor, what's the point of watching or following football?

For me, stats make the game better because they get me thinking about what actions on the pitch are truly valuable.

It's the difference between a winger who uses his skill to create separation to play a long cross and a winger who uses his skill to get into the box and shoot or play a shorter pass to an unmarked teammate. The latter is a lot more fun to watch because you can appreciate his technical ability and all of the chances (and, ultimately, goals) he creates.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 23, 2018, 09:28:04 PM
Yeah, it's not supposed to ruin your enjoyment of the game. Without the fun factor, what's the point of watching or following football?

For me, stats make the game better because they get me thinking about what actions on the pitch are truly valuable.

It's the difference between a winger who uses his skill to create separation to play a long cross and a winger who uses his skill to get into the box and shoot or play a shorter pass to an unmarked teammate. The latter is a lot more fun to watch because you can appreciate his technical ability and all of the chances (and, ultimately, goals) he creates.

It's a good example that. But also to highlight why stats in isolation are no good.
Winger A does the former a lot and has very poor chance creation or even assists. Winger B does the latter and has really high numbers.

Team A has Duncan Ferguson and Tim Cahill in and a load of yard-dogs behind them.
Team B has Bernard up front and Sigurdsson behind him.

Obviously managers of each team are going to buy the correct winger, or try to. Hopefully.

The problem on this side of the fence though, is everybody writes off winger A because of his charts.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on October 23, 2018, 10:04:50 PM
It's a good example that. But also to highlight why stats in isolation are no good.
Winger A does the former a lot and has very poor chance creation or even assists. Winger B does the latter and has really high numbers.

Team A has Duncan Ferguson and Tim Cahill in and a load of yard-dogs behind them.
Team B has Bernard up front and Sigurdsson behind him.

Obviously managers of each team are going to buy the correct winger, or try to. Hopefully.

The problem on this side of the fence though, is everybody writes off winger A because of his charts.

I don't see that as an issue. I don't want the lad who's adapted to a shit playing style unless he's young and we have time to re-teach him.

The players we sign should match the way we want to play (or we need have time to mold them into what we want them to be).
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on October 23, 2018, 11:35:52 PM
Feel like Iíve walked into an intervention here
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2018, 01:19:08 AM
All things in moderation.  It's a poor idea to dismiss advanced stats entirely, and to make them your sole Gospel.  A blend of statistical analysis and traditional scouting is always the best path, in footy, baseball, NFL, etc.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 24, 2018, 02:46:55 PM
I don't see that as an issue. I don't want the lad who's adapted to a shit playing style unless he's young and we have time to re-teach him.

The players we sign should match the way we want to play (or we need have time to mold them into what we want them to be).

But you're not the sole arbiter if what good football is.

There are many people who love nothing more than a winger skinning a man, getting to the line, whipping it in and some hero of a centre forward thundering it in.

Jesus, we're Everton. That kind of goal is deep-rooted into our DNA. It's amongst the reasons our number 9s have been so revered.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 24, 2018, 03:36:46 PM
But you're not the sole arbiter if what good football is.

There are many people who love nothing more than a winger skinning a man, getting to the line, whipping it in and some hero of a centre forward thundering it in.

Jesus, we're Everton. That kind of goal is deep-rooted into our DNA. It's amongst the reasons our number 9s have been so revered.
Not many better sights than a cross slung over and an Everton player climbing over everyone and slamming a header in... Off the bar!!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 24, 2018, 03:46:23 PM
Seeing DCL score on Sunday reminded me how much I love a headed goal.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 24, 2018, 03:53:29 PM
Seeing DCL score on Sunday reminded me how much I love a headed goal.

Give me a big number 9 making Rio Ferdinand look like a frightened little kid > a 30 yard screamer any day of the week
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 24, 2018, 04:18:45 PM
Give me a big number 9 making Rio Ferdinand look like a frightened little kid > a 30 yard screamer any day of the week

Had a lump in my throat that game.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 24, 2018, 04:20:41 PM
Had a lump in my throat that game.

Blowjob was it?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2018, 04:27:06 PM
Lost me with all the talk of heat maps and xg or whatever it is. Clearly there's a case for it as it quantifies parts of the game which otherwise might go unnoticed but it'll never replace the eye test for me. Maybe I'm the wrong side of 40 to want to change but a towering header in the top bin or sending the man and ball into the second row of the stands is why I enjoy watching football. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2018, 04:32:06 PM
[...]The latter is a lot more fun to watch[...]

...for you.

Fun is subjective.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2018, 04:15:02 AM
He gives great hugs as well

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1055161346751369217
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 25, 2018, 04:25:41 AM
Everton that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 25, 2018, 04:54:19 AM
Is it wrong that I kind of want him to hold me like that?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 25, 2018, 04:56:05 AM
Is it wrong that I kind of want him to hold me like that?
Nope, am feeling the same
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 25, 2018, 04:59:39 AM
Is it wrong that I kind of want him to hold me like that?

What do you reckon he smells like?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 25, 2018, 05:35:39 AM
Give me a big number 9 making Rio Ferdinand look like a frightened little kid > a 30 yard screamer any day of the week

I read this this morning then YouTubed that game, then googled stuff about Bug Dunc and read an article about Roy Keane saying he used to stay away from him, then YouTubed more Ferguson goals.

I lost track of time and was almost late for work. Try explaining that to ya boss as a 31 year old.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mouse on October 25, 2018, 05:44:44 AM
Well, if it was only an infatuation before it is now full on love. I may even get religion if this man continues his beatific ways. Melting.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 25, 2018, 05:54:16 AM
What do you reckon he smells like?
Amazing
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 25, 2018, 06:45:08 AM
What do you reckon he smells like?

Probably Jasmine, if I had to stick my neck out.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Confucius on October 25, 2018, 10:23:10 AM
From football analytics to perving analytics. NSNO at its finest.

Take a bow gents.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2018, 02:03:49 PM
What do you reckon he smells like?

Sex Panther or candy floss
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: formerKHL on October 25, 2018, 04:07:10 PM
Probably Jasmine, if I had to stick my neck out.


Does she work in the canteen ?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 25, 2018, 04:11:18 PM
Parco Palladian x Eau De Parfum imo.

Maybe Dior Sauvage if out with the lads.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2018, 04:40:34 PM

Maybe Dior Sauvage if out with the lads.

Fav
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: di_guyo on October 25, 2018, 09:05:40 PM
What do you reckon he smells like?

Pastel de nata. Tasty.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 25, 2018, 09:08:41 PM
I LOVE how gay it is on this forum :love:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on October 25, 2018, 09:47:55 PM
I LOVE how gay it is on this forum :love:

I thinks itís just how Andreí has made us all feel that much closer to our feminine side  lolol
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blueski on October 25, 2018, 11:41:33 PM
did you all see this put out by the club - thought it was a solid debut but its much more than that - hope he keeps this up


Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2018, 11:44:25 PM
Be tough to sign him I reckon, he won't be short of offers
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 26, 2018, 01:03:38 AM
Probably Jasmine, if I had to stick my neck out.
Jasmine and Watneys Indian Pale Ale would Knock me bandy.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on October 26, 2018, 01:15:24 AM
I reckon he smells like a father figure
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 26, 2018, 01:26:02 AM
What do you reckon he smells like?

Pure Silva pour homme.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 26, 2018, 02:11:46 AM
Be tough to sign him I reckon, he won't be short of offers

I reckon heís fell for the blues me
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 26, 2018, 02:46:05 AM
I reckon heís fell for the blues me

Well we've all fell for him haven't we
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on October 26, 2018, 02:49:38 AM
Soon be Evertonized ....playing weekly will help him and us too ...but he is making all the right moves to be a future legend here .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2018, 02:55:08 AM
Soon be Evertonized ....playing weekly will help him and is too ...but he is making all the right moves to be a future legend here .
Helps with a portugese manager and 2 players he knows coming here
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 26, 2018, 03:05:02 AM
SWOON

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1055550073092751360

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/10/25/gomes
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on October 26, 2018, 03:19:19 AM
SWOON

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1055550073092751360

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/10/25/gomes

"I'd let him bum me, no questions asked." 😂😂
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Blue Lagoon on October 26, 2018, 04:00:49 AM
Quite sure he smells of gummi bears. Or at least his beard might.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on October 26, 2018, 04:03:40 AM
He's defo an Armani Code guy
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on October 26, 2018, 04:25:08 AM
Big musky smell of Michael Kors
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 26, 2018, 07:15:43 AM
Bleu de Chanel, obviously.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 26, 2018, 02:04:54 PM
Nah he's old school, smells of Farenheight
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2018, 03:16:30 PM
He doesnít need any fabricated scents.

He smells of almonds and jasmine.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bally on October 26, 2018, 03:29:30 PM
Nah he's old school, smells of Farenheight
Went to buy some of that the other day 82 quid for the one I used to get, they can get fucked.

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on October 26, 2018, 03:30:39 PM
Went to buy some of that the other day 82 quid for the one I used to get, they can get fucked.

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Thought you would have been a blue stratus man myself
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bally on October 26, 2018, 03:32:42 PM
Thought you would have been a blue stratus man myself
Nah it's either fresh citrus or musky depending on my mood.

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 26, 2018, 03:34:27 PM
You donít want to catch him on a musky day
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: formerKHL on October 26, 2018, 06:55:42 PM
Went to buy some of that the other day 82 quid for the one I used to get, they can get fucked.

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but isn't that why your buying it...so you can get...ÖÖ.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: School of Science on October 26, 2018, 08:05:59 PM
Wonder how long this love in will last, especially if we get tonked on Sunday  ;)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on October 26, 2018, 08:27:45 PM
Nah it's either fresh citrus or musky depending on my mood.

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 26, 2018, 10:16:06 PM
Wonder how long this love in will last, especially if we get tonked on Sunday  ;)

My love is everlasting
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on October 26, 2018, 10:52:29 PM
Will be a good test for him up against Pogba .. .if Pogba like his bbf Lukaku actually turn up .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 27, 2018, 12:35:22 AM
Hugo Boss suit with a splash of Old Spice

And some Milk Tray for the ladies

Is this going to be a long lasting marriage or a brief love affair?

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 27, 2018, 12:45:50 AM
I actually think he'll want to stay at the end of his loan. If he's good enough and fills that void we'll pay what we have to because he'll have proved he's the one and any better would still cost a fortune. He'll love us as much as we love him before long.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bally on October 27, 2018, 04:20:11 AM

but isn't that why your buying it...so you can get..........
Nah I live with my Mrs it's just because I like the smell

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bally on October 27, 2018, 04:23:08 AM
https://www.perfume-parlour.co.uk/faareheight-for-men
Cheers man I'll have a look at that

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on October 29, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Definitely got a player here
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on October 29, 2018, 12:24:20 AM
Definitely got a player here

He's so good.

Stick stats up your arse.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cozzie on October 29, 2018, 12:33:56 AM
Like what I've seen of him.

Calm and composed and not scared to pick a pass.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 29, 2018, 01:01:32 AM
He's the real deal.

What does he smell like? Like you got to re-live your life over again but this time could make all the right decisions to be a better and more successful human being.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 29, 2018, 01:21:22 AM
We need to sign him, hopefully we're already chatting to Barca about a permanent deal
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on October 29, 2018, 01:23:46 AM
We need to sign him, hopefully we're already chatting to Barca about a permanent deal
What sort of money do you reckon he'd cost ?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on October 29, 2018, 01:38:49 AM
What sort of money do you reckon he'd cost ?


Euros I'd imagine
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on October 29, 2018, 01:40:37 AM


Euros I'd imagine
I 'll happily accept the answer in euros or GBP....
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on October 29, 2018, 01:41:26 AM
He's shown some nice touches, but it feels like you all like him more than I do.

I'm not being facetious, but what do you all like about him? He definitely plays the simple ball well but I'm not sure Ive seen much more than that personally...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on October 29, 2018, 01:45:25 AM
He's shown some nice touches, but it feels like you all like him more than I do.

I'm not being facetious, but what do you all like about him? He definitely plays the simple ball well but I'm not sure Ive seen much more than that personally...

Numerous times he moved forward with the ball fighting off two or three United players and then making the right pass forward, the major difference between him and Schneiderlin.

Similar to Spurs' Dembele imo.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on October 29, 2018, 01:53:40 AM
He's shown some nice touches, but it feels like you all like him more than I do.

I'm not being facetious, but what do you all like about him? He definitely plays the simple ball well but I'm not sure Ive seen much more than that personally...

Thought today in particular he was strong on the ball and looked to make good passes. Dropped back into that role that MS is meant to to help out the CBs and once again put in a draining shift which is why he was knackered at the end. He's not up to speed yet either.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 29, 2018, 01:53:57 AM
What sort of money do you reckon he'd cost ?

Read somewhere that the buyout clause is 60 million euros
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on October 29, 2018, 02:04:58 AM
Read somewhere that the buyout clause is 60 million euros

All Spanish contracts have buy out clauses and they're usually ridiculous. Barca were actively looking to sell him this summer, no way he costs close to 60mill
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Makis on October 29, 2018, 02:12:51 AM
He's shown some nice touches, but it feels like you all like him more than I do.

I'm not being facetious, but what do you all like about him? He definitely plays the simple ball well but I'm not sure Ive seen much more than that personally...
He moves the ball forward and his passing is definitely not simple. There were for instance couple of good long balls to the left wing. He was looking for the forward pass and burst forward well himself on a few occasions. Strong on the ball as someone else said, very hard to dispossess. Also decent in the air. Looks like an upgraded Barry to me.

And this is a guy playing his second match after an injury having missed the entire pre-season.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Heisenberg on October 29, 2018, 02:44:40 AM
He moves the ball forward and his passing is definitely not simple. There were for instance couple of good long balls to the left wing. He was looking for the forward pass and burst forward well himself on a few occasions. Strong on the ball as someone else said, very hard to dispossess. Also decent in the air. Looks like an upgraded Barry to me.

And this is a guy playing his second match after an injury having missed the entire pre-season.

To add, he Always wants the ball. Seems to dictate our play. Will be very important player for us, links the team nicely
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: School of Science on October 29, 2018, 03:50:21 AM
Buy.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blueToffee on October 29, 2018, 04:14:19 AM
Yeah, I'm definitely in the minority here :)

He was ok, I thought he went missing at times and I'd like him to be a bit more positive with the ball.

Glad everyone else loves him though. My greatest mistake so far was not particularly liking Pienaar for a few games when we first got him, so maybe this will be up there with that.

I don't mind him, just think he could do more while understanding he's been out for a long while.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on October 29, 2018, 04:34:17 AM
I like him, but he needs to show more before we start talking about signing him.

Just been listening to the post match blueroom podcast and theyíre going on like he ran the show.

Didnít see that myself, but some good signs, especially the way he can drive with the ball.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2018, 01:56:36 PM
I like him, but he needs to show more before we start talking about signing him.

Just been listening to the post match blueroom podcast and theyíre going on like he ran the show.

Didnít see that myself, but some good signs, especially the way he can drive with the ball.

Yeah a lot of the praise is really premature and a bit over the top.

He looks like he doesnít flap easily when pressed, and he looks like when he wants to he can go past a man, but he is actually yet to *do* anything.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 29, 2018, 02:17:16 PM
I honestly think he's already shown enough in the two games he's played, I mean he actually passes the ball forward ffs!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on October 29, 2018, 03:04:48 PM
I don't think we should understate the composure he brings to the midfield which we lack when either Davies or Morgan start. This brings confidence to the whole team but in particular the defence.

Also it was a joy to behold to see a player driving forward from central midfield which his something we haven't really seen since barkley's departure.

He's going to be one of those players who's actual keystats don't reflect what he brings to the table.....
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2018, 03:19:16 PM
I like that fact he looked comfortable under pressure, compared to our other midfielders who panic and try to offload the ball whenever they're in a tight spot. I thought him and Gana worked well together and if we had centre forward who could hold onto the ball and give us a platform to play off we wouldn't have looked quite so exposed in the centre as we often did.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on October 29, 2018, 03:44:30 PM
I think he looks quality, love the fact he turns either way and looks comfortable passing with either foot to the extent Im not even sure what foot he is!? He hasnt done 'anything' yet but what he has done, after being a bit part player at Barca for the previous few seasons, coming to a new Country, recovering from injury is really encouraging, he looks like the exact type of player we've been missing and its great to see someone in the centre midfield role that can pass the ball
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 29, 2018, 03:50:11 PM
Should defo look at getting an agreement now, if we wait till the summer and he continues to impress others may be interested and with the potential of Brexit fucking the £ up his price could become insane
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2018, 05:20:59 PM
I donít want to get into it again but the idea your centre mid can be great at *secret stuff that isnít measurable* is pure pure fantasy land.

If heís that good it will show where it matters. If he looks elegant when keeping possession all the better but the game of football is won and lost in centre mid - if heís good it will be clear, as it was with Barry and as it was to the contrary with Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on October 29, 2018, 05:51:59 PM
I donít want to get into it again but the idea your centre mid can be great at *secret stuff that isnít measurable* is pure pure fantasy land.

If heís that good it will show where it matters. If he looks elegant when keeping possession all the better but the game of football is won and lost in centre mid - if heís good it will be clear, as it was with Barry and as it was to the contrary with Schneiderlin.
I get the point you are making but feel that it is placing too much emphasis stats. There are aspects of a game that cannot be covered sufficiently by figures imo.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 29, 2018, 05:53:53 PM
so much better than Schneiderlin... him and Gana look good as a 2.. love the way they drop back and can cover the the fullbacks.. or when one of the CD's steps up.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2018, 06:04:38 PM
I get the point you are making but feel that it is placing too much emphasis stats. There are aspects of a game that cannot be covered sufficiently by figures imo.

Yes I agree, but theyíre essentially not as important as the stuff that is - progressing the ball, passing into dangerous areas, creating chances, passing to players that create chances, having dangerous shots, tackling and intercepting the ball, avoiding being tackled and passing the ball accurately, dribbling beyond players, breaking lines.

I like what I see from him, but if he is as good as it feels he is - it will show in the stats eventually.

At the moment he is being heralded as the fix to our midfield when he hasnít created a single chance on goal or contributed in a truly meaningful way besides looking calm and reposed on the ball (which is good!).

Like what Iíve seen but letís give him more than 2 OK games before lashing money on him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 29, 2018, 06:23:27 PM
Yes I agree, but theyíre essentially not as important as the stuff that is - progressing the ball, passing into dangerous areas, creating chances, passing to players that create chances, having dangerous shots, tackling and intercepting the ball, avoiding being tackled and passing the ball accurately, dribbling beyond players, breaking lines.

I like what I see from him, but if he is as good as it feels he is - it will show in the stats eventually.

At the moment he is being heralded as the fix to our midfield when he hasnít created a single chance on goal or contributed in a truly meaningful way besides looking calm and reposed on the ball (which is good!).

Like what Iíve seen but letís give him more than 2 OK games before lashing money on him.


just off the top of my head.. from yesterday.. he took a few people on, played it to the wing.. ran into the box and headed the ball on target..

just an example of him creating a chance.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2018, 06:29:51 PM
Too early to decide, but a promising start.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on October 29, 2018, 06:34:10 PM
He had me at hello
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on October 29, 2018, 06:47:14 PM
Yes I agree, but theyíre essentially not as important as the stuff that is - progressing the ball, passing into dangerous areas, creating chances, passing to players that create chances, having dangerous shots, tackling and intercepting the ball, avoiding being tackled and passing the ball accurately, dribbling beyond players, breaking lines.

I like what I see from him, but if he is as good as it feels he is - it will show in the stats eventually.

At the moment he is being heralded as the fix to our midfield when he hasnít created a single chance on goal or contributed in a truly meaningful way besides looking calm and reposed on the ball (which is good!).

Like what Iíve seen but letís give him more than 2 OK games before lashing money on him.

I love a good stat as much as anyone, if not more actually, but it's ok for some things to be immeasurable.

Imagine playing centre back - you could have one CB partner who is unflappable, clears the ball from danger, makes interceptions, passes to the midfield etc.; or you could have another with exactly the same stats, but his interceptions are last-ditch, having played his team-mates into danger, his headers are off the line having scrambled back to cover.

OK, so it's a bit extreme, but I think there's a lot to be said for confidence, composure and helping to create a platform from which your team-mates can play. Maybe it will ultimately be reflected in the stats, but even if it isn't, as long as he keeps showing what he has so far (and improving) I wouldn't replace him with Schneiderlin so we can up our (sideways/backwards) pass completion by 5%.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2018, 06:52:50 PM
I know what youíre all saying about the stats and I agree broadly, I just mean that what we need is a midfielder who does do the important stuff, so even if we like him, even if we love him, if he doesnít improve the midfield in the really important stuff, he might not be the right man for the job.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on October 29, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Do people really think Schneids is better than Gomes. ...I must have spent the last 40 years watching football wrong .....he did everything possible yesterday ...held the ball like it was a baby not a hot stone, passed forward, used the wings, took players on, found good passes 90% of the time ,covered when others got forward even had a shot on target ....honestly don't think Schneids ever did all that even at Southampton ...not to mention this was against man u on only his second game after an injury . :thumbsup: 

Yeah he's shit :badum:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on October 29, 2018, 07:00:08 PM
He was absolute class at Valencia and earned that big money move to the best team in the world. No, he is not at their level and must be hard for an non Masia central midfielder to get into the rhythm of it but us getting him is a real coup, looks head and shoulders above anything we have had in central midfield since Arteta.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on October 29, 2018, 07:05:16 PM
Do people really think Schneids is better than Gomes. ...I must have spent the last 40 years watching football wrong .....he did everything possible yesterday ...held the ball like it was a baby not a hot stone, passed forward, used the wings, took players on, found good passes 90% of the time ,covered when others got forward even had a shot on target ....honestly don't think Schneids ever did all that even at Southampton ...not to mention this was against man u on only his second game after an injury . :thumbsup: 

Yeah he's shit :badum:
You know gets me about MS is that we don't look any less likely to concede with him playing as he's actually not that good in the tackle. In a addition got this he's crap going forward so literally brings nowt to the table.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2018, 07:22:39 PM
Just a quick note to say Morgan Schneiderlin has a better pass accuracy this year than Gomes and has an assist to his name - just to spice it up a bit 😂
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 29, 2018, 07:24:54 PM
Just a quick note to say Morgan Schneiderlin has a better pass accuracy this year than Gomes and has an assist to his name - just to spice it up a bit 😂
Whats his longest pass? 5 yards? Any forward passes there? Dribbles? I am not massively against schneiderlin btw, he's just very reserved in his passing
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2018, 07:26:55 PM
Just a quick note to say Morgan Schneiderlin has a better pass accuracy this year than Gomes and has an assist to his name - just to spice it up a bit 😂

Earlier I think you suggested that Gomes should be partially measured on passes to goal creators, or passes that break lines. He played the pass to Gylfi vs Palace last week, where Gylfi then slid Walcott in and he hit it straight at the keeper. That pass was to a creator and it broke the Palace lines.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on October 29, 2018, 07:29:40 PM
Just a quick note to say Morgan Schneiderlin has a better pass accuracy this year than Gomes and has an assist to his name - just to spice it up a bit 😂

Maybe leave off sucking Schneids farts till Gomes has had 6 appearances too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on October 29, 2018, 07:35:43 PM
Just a quick note to say Morgan Schneiderlin has a better pass accuracy this year than Gomes and has an assist to his name - just to spice it up a bit 😂
Average pass length 3m ? ;D
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2018, 07:38:42 PM
Earlier I think you suggested that Gomes should be partially measured on passes to goal creators, or passes that break lines. He played the pass to Gylfi vs Palace last week, where Gylfi then slid Walcott in and he hit it straight at the keeper. That pass was to a creator and it broke the Palace lines.

Yep 100% agree - apologies I donít have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every pass he has completed.

What Iím saying is - the stats can measure that stuff, if he does it and keeps doing it, it will show and importantly it will be very clear to us that we have someone doing it, because we havenít had that for a while (at a good level). Not saying he doesnít do it at all, just that we shouldnít buy someone who doesnít. If and when he does it it will be clear.

The Schneiderlin post above was just a bit of fun to highlight that yes there are lots of ways to see things and as a cm who is very comfortable being safe on the ball he can look good in certain lights.

I think and hope that heís done here, but, yeah. I have been fooled on the past by him being some comfortable and a touch of class stroking the ball out wide.

I donít think anybody in their right mind would say Morgan over Andre at the moment.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2018, 07:43:42 PM
Yep 100% agree - apologies I donít have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every pass he has completed.

What Iím saying is - the stats can measure that stuff, if he does it and keeps doing it, it will show and importantly it will be very clear to us that we have someone doing it, because we havenít had that for a while (at a good level). Not saying he doesnít do it at all, just that we shouldnít buy someone who doesnít. If and when he does it it will be clear.

The Schneiderlin post above was just a bit of fun to highlight that yes there are lots of ways to see things and as a cm who is very comfortable being safe on the ball he can look good in certain lights.

I think and hope that heís done here, but, yeah. I have been fooled on the past by him being some comfortable and a touch of class stroking the ball out wide.

I donít think anybody in their right mind would say Morgan over Andre at the moment.

I know. It's just that you said he should be measured on something, which I accept, and I'm pointing out an example of when he did something tangible and measurable. You said he 'hasn't contributed in a truly meaningful way besides looking calm', and I was just pointing to an easily re-callable example of that being wrong.

Nothing personal at all, but if you make such broad, sweeping statements, people will point out if they aren't accurate.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2018, 07:51:40 PM
I know. It's just that you said he should be measured on something, which I accept, and I'm pointing out an example of when he did something tangible and measurable. You said he 'hasn't contributed in a truly meaningful way besides looking calm', and I was just pointing to an easily re-callable example of that being wrong.

Nothing personal at all, but if you make such broad, sweeping statements, people will point out if they aren't accurate.

Ok great - compared to the average output of a midfielder who plays in his position in the premier league, he has not contributed in a meaningful way above or beyond the average player.

For fucks sake, is what Iím saying really that convoluted? Or do people just sense that itís not quite sucking his dick and itís not nice to piss on a bonfire so they just want me to fuck off and post something about his beard?

I am not saying I donít like Gomes - I may well like him a great deal, but wait until he does something above and beyond OK before saying Ďsign him up!!í And please donít say Ďheís doing stuff the stats canít seeí because great Iím sure he is but we need someone to move the important stats more than anything or it would be a waste of fucking money.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2018, 07:56:31 PM
Whats his longest pass? 5 yards? Any forward passes there? Dribbles? I am not massively against schneiderlin btw, he's just very reserved in his passing

He is indeed, but I wonder HOW much difference in conservative approach there is between the two, and how much is in our heads.

I would take Gomes with one leg over Schneiderlin frankly, but Iím not 100% on him as our long term centre mid yet.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 29, 2018, 08:10:46 PM
He is indeed, but I wonder HOW much difference in conservative approach there is between the two, and how much is in our heads.

I would take Gomes with one leg over Schneiderlin frankly, but I’m not 100% on him as our long term centre mid yet.
He's superior to schneiderlin, I would love us to sign him but think he will cost too much anyway. Yesterday he got the ball and drove forward with intent, the first time ive seen a cm do that for us since Barkley, this is off the back of no real pre season and an injury, he will improve, he will improve us too
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2018, 08:13:09 PM
Ok great - compared to the average output of a midfielder who plays in his position in the premier league, he has not contributed in a meaningful way above or beyond the average player.

For fucks sake, is what Iím saying really that convoluted? Or do people just sense that itís not quite sucking his dick and itís not nice to piss on a bonfire so they just want me to fuck off and post something about his beard?

I am not saying I donít like Gomes - I may well like him a great deal, but wait until he does something above and beyond OK before saying Ďsign him up!!í And please donít say Ďheís doing stuff the stats canít seeí because great Iím sure he is but we need someone to move the important stats more than anything or it would be a waste of fucking money.

Mate, you're getting too wound up by all of this. I'm just pointing out an example of him doing something measurable in his 2 games.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2018, 08:29:48 PM
There are also things that aren't quantifiable like the balance with Gana or the fact we now look composed in the centre of the pitch, something we've lacked for a long time. He was closer to Sig yesterday than Schneiderlin has ever been and they even interchanged positions, which enabled us to look more flexible and threatening.

Of course it's early days but he has class so long ay it continue.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2018, 08:35:30 PM
Donít get me started on sig.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2018, 10:36:52 PM
Don’t get me started on sig.

Six goals so far and we're still in October. The problem lies ahead of him for me.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on November 01, 2018, 09:51:22 PM
Vinny O'Connor just been tweeting that he's spoken to Gomes today, and it's ''fair to say he's loving life at Everton'' - and in regards to staying he's said ''He'll speak to Barca and Everton at the end of the season''
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: pjk on November 01, 2018, 09:51:24 PM
Just seen a rumour on twitter. Sourced from someone on here, probably @Si (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4410) that gomes want's to stay. Are there any links? I like him. Early days like, but....... :)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2018, 10:09:28 PM
Vinny O'Connor just been tweeting that he's spoken to Gomes today, and it's ''fair to say he's loving life at Everton'' - and in regards to staying he's said ''He'll speak to Barca and Everton at the end of the season''
He looks happy, if he continues to play with a smile on his face then that can only be a positive for us, IF, we want him of coourse
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on November 01, 2018, 10:26:31 PM
Pretty sure we'd be expected to pay Sig-type money, or not far off, to sign him permanently. Is hew worth that kind of investment? Obviously we don't know yet but if he does do well enough to put that option on the table it'd take up a large portion of our transfer budget in he summer just to stand still
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 01, 2018, 10:33:22 PM
Pretty sure we'd be expected to pay Sig-type money, or not far off, to sign him permanently. Is hew worth that kind of investment? Obviously we don't know yet but if he does do well enough to put that option on the table it'd take up a large portion of our transfer budget in he summer just to stand still

Sell McCarthy and Schneiderlin, put the money (and a few million more) towards buying Gomes
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2018, 10:35:30 PM
Pretty sure we'd be expected to pay Sig-type money, or not far off, to sign him permanently. Is hew worth that kind of investment? Obviously we don't know yet but if he does do well enough to put that option on the table it'd take up a large portion of our transfer budget in he summer just to stand still
He is only young too, 25 I think
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blueToffee on November 01, 2018, 10:36:53 PM
Pretty sure we'd be expected to pay Sig-type money, or not far off, to sign him permanently. Is hew worth that kind of investment? Obviously we don't know yet but if he does do well enough to put that option on the table it'd take up a large portion of our transfer budget in he summer just to stand still

Potentially, but these deals are rarely straight up cash, they'd probably take the money on a drip of a few years. Plus I'd imagine if we did keep him we'd also be selling Schneiderlin for one so that would offset some of it (and wages). Also, I doubt we'll be signing as many players next summer though, probably a RB, CM and Striker you'd imagine so the money might also not need to go as far. Maybe. 

In terms of Gomes specifically, I don't think he's getting back into Barcelona setup, rather he's here for Barca to put him in the shop window. Not worried about the situation, we'll see where we are at the end of the season, but I'd imagine though if we wanted him we could get him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on November 01, 2018, 10:37:22 PM
Sell McCarthy and Schneiderlin, put the money (and a few million more) towards buying Gomes

We'd probably have to sell Vlasic and Besic too to get to the kind of money we'd need. Which is possible but it still leaves us without a striker and a centre half which will be on the list too once Zouma goes back.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on November 01, 2018, 10:45:32 PM
Pretty sure we'd be expected to pay Sig-type money, or not far off, to sign him permanently. Is hew worth that kind of investment?

No.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on November 01, 2018, 10:49:11 PM
I feel more confident though that whatever happens from here on in we're not getting our pants pulled down anymore and that squad planning will be sustainable under Brands. This summer indicated as much. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on November 02, 2018, 12:15:35 AM
Pretty sure we'd be expected to pay Sig-type money, or not far off, to sign him permanently. Is hew worth that kind of investment? Obviously we don't know yet but if he does do well enough to put that option on the table it'd take up a large portion of our transfer budget in he summer just to stand still

Nah.

Reckon we can box it off for anywhere between 20-30mil.

They were desperate to let him go and will be glad to just get him off the books.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on November 02, 2018, 12:18:15 AM
No.

You willing to change your mind over the course of a season or have the numbers already spoke?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: School of Science on November 02, 2018, 12:25:07 AM
Looked the only one that was able to stand up to Pogba after Pogba threatened to run riot in the first half. First impressions I'd pay what they want for him, but first impressions aren't always right. If he carries on the way he's playing, we won't be standing still if we bought him, massive upgrade on Schneiderlin and McCarthy.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on November 02, 2018, 12:36:53 AM
Digne was about 20m euros wasn't he?

Don't see why Gomes would be any more than that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gash on November 02, 2018, 12:44:06 AM
Reckon if he had a face like a skelped arse no one would be that bothered. :)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on November 02, 2018, 12:46:22 AM
Pretty sure we'd be expected to pay Sig-type money, or not far off, to sign him permanently. Is hew worth that kind of investment? Obviously we don't know yet but if he does do well enough to put that option on the table it'd take up a large portion of our transfer budget in he summer just to stand still
im not so sure you know, remember they sold us digne for 18, and mina for 20 odd wasn't it? Gomes wasn't a fans favourite at barca, and they've loaned him out for a 2 mill fee this season, I think we'll be talking 20 odd million but not 40-50
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 02, 2018, 12:59:53 AM
£30m, Barca get their money back and Mr Cerruti 1881 is ours
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 02, 2018, 01:00:22 AM
Individual stats of a player are secondary when building a team. After just two games, he seems exactly what we were needing in CM. Fingers crossed


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2018, 01:16:27 AM
You willing to change your mind over the course of a season or have the numbers already spoke?

Oh like that is it :hmph:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2018, 01:50:59 AM
You willing to change your mind over the course of a season or have the numbers already spoke?

Very willing to change my mind.

It's just that he has to do a lot more than he's shown at any point in his career to be worth top money and I don't expect him to do that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on November 02, 2018, 01:55:58 AM
Very willing to change my mind.

It's just that he has to do a lot more than he's shown at any point in his career to be worth top money and I don't expect him to do that.

Really don't think we'll be paying above 25-30mill for him, Barca seem reasonable enough to do business with, id be surprised if he wasn't here next season, if he continues his form
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2018, 02:00:03 AM
Long season lads, and we have very little information to base such opinions on. Let's see how he gets on with the season, and the winter slog in the Prem.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on November 02, 2018, 02:00:55 AM
Very willing to change my mind.

It's just that he has to do a lot more than he's shown at any point in his career to be worth top money and I don't expect him to do that.


A career you've seen nothing of.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2018, 02:10:22 AM
He's ours lads, whatever the price, sexy bastard
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on November 02, 2018, 02:11:24 AM
Anybody who ever watched football before should be able to tell he's streets ahead of our midfield even on two games .

Hope he continues  and we buy him it's the direction we need to be going ...plus M&M know their onions so I would expect to be robbing barca off too :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mouse on November 02, 2018, 02:14:27 AM
Very willing to change my mind.

It's just that he has to do a lot more than he's shown at any point in his career to be worth top money and I don't expect him to do that.

Can't really argue as, before he came to us, I'd seen nothing of him. But...if Nuno saw enough to take him from Benfica to Valencia and then Barca saw enough to pay £30M plus for him then it does seem he must have shown something at some point in his career.

Personally, I really like the look of him but, as I've said before, I thought Schneiderlin was something of a Rolls Royce when he first played for us. What do I know?

He's played a couple of games and hasn't looked out of place while still finding his feet in the Premier League. Let's give him at least until January before we venerate or denigrate.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2018, 05:16:24 AM
Very willing to change my mind.

It's just that he has to do a lot more than he's shown at any point in his career to be worth top money and I don't expect him to do that.


To be worth Sig money heíd have to be like a really fucking good centre mid. Naingollan was about £40m I think.

If he carries on his heís going and we get him for like £20-£30m Iíd be sound with that. But heíd have to be truly outstanding for Sig money.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on November 02, 2018, 02:56:04 PM
The only thing Iíve seen in the two games to justify the excitement was the through ball to Walcott against Palace.

Other than that heís been neat and tidy whilst playing it relatively safe. If his surname was smith and he didnít play for Barcelona Iím not sure youíd all be so keen to spunk £30+ million on him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2018, 03:03:23 PM
I'm not sure the 'if he was ugly' or 'if his surname was Smith' stuff is particularly fair or valid tbh. People have been genuinely impressed by his composure on the ball, his stature and his willingness to put a foot in.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on November 02, 2018, 03:15:16 PM
The only thing Iíve seen in the two games to justify the excitement was the through ball to Walcott against Palace.

That was Gylfi.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on November 02, 2018, 03:17:11 PM
I'm not sure the 'if he was ugly' or 'if his surname was Smith' stuff is particularly fair or valid tbh. People have been genuinely impressed by his composure on the ball, his stature and his willingness to put a foot in.

It's not. There's definitely a good player there, one who will really compliment our midfield. You can see the quality there
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2018, 03:30:13 PM
Wouldn't arse me one little bit if we had to break our transfer record to sign him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2018, 03:36:17 PM
He's only played 2 games for us. Schneiderlin started like a Rolls Royce. Let's wait and see how he gets on with the rigours of a Prem season.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 02, 2018, 03:36:42 PM
Id be interested to know what people want off a centre midfielder nowadays

Schneiderlin is too err shit
Gueye cant pass
Davies gives the ball away
Mccarthy hides all day
Gomes is too neat and tidy

We have a bizarre fan base at times, have to say I am surprised that people cant see Gomes quality despite these being his first games in a while and in a new league
Now I am not saying we should blow 50m on the lad, I am merely pointing out that initial viewings lead me to believe he is a very good player who is better than what we have and, due to his age would be likely to improve
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2018, 03:39:34 PM
Id be interested to know what people want off a centre midfielder nowadays

Schneiderlin is too err shit
Gueye cant pass
Davies gives the ball away
Mccarthy hides all day
Gomes is too neat and tidy

We have a bizarre fan base at times, have to say I am surprised that people cant see Gomes quality despite these being his first games in a while and in a new league
Now I am not saying we should blow 50m on the lad, I am merely pointing out that initial viewings lead me to believe he is a very good player who is better than what we have and, due to his age would be likely to improve

Correct, there is a reason Barca bought him, they don't buy average players.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2018, 03:51:06 PM
Donít think anyoneís saying heís crap like.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on November 02, 2018, 03:56:07 PM
Funny, isnít it.

You get told you only like Davies because heís a local lad, then get told you only like Gomes because heís foreign and has a fancy name.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on November 02, 2018, 04:40:19 PM
Something else that I don't think has been highlighted is his height. He's a lot taller than I thought he was and I think physically he is going to be more than up to the rigours of that aspect of the Prem
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on November 02, 2018, 04:45:16 PM
Something else that I don't think has been highlighted is his height. He's a lot taller than I thought he was and I think physically he is going to be more than up to the rigours of that aspect of the Prem

Think he proved this at times against UTD  when he was holding the ball with two and three players on him ,why were utd doing this I rekon Moaninho pegged him as a danger .


But what does he know  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hesmenos on November 02, 2018, 06:30:04 PM
He's only played 2 games so its too soon to discuss whether we should sign him permanently. Lets see how he does until January first.
From the little I've seen of him he looks great when we have the ball, still not convinced about when we don't have it. He's not really known for his tackling but that's probably not as important now as it used to be. He's also switched off a few times when defending. Against Palace he was at fault for both of their chances in the first half. He lost Tomkins for Townsend's cross, and then completely lost Tomkins again for the corner which led to them hitting the crossbar. I;m possibly being harsh on him as it was his first game back and a completely different league to what he has been used to but if we are going to be spending big money on him then he has be good at all aspects
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2018, 06:39:24 PM
Funny, isnít it.

You get told you only like Davies because heís a local lad, then get told you only like Gomes because heís foreign and has a fancy name.



Where did Jose Baxter go wrong...?


:)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: mikey_blue on November 02, 2018, 07:07:28 PM
Gary Neville said he was his best player when he was at Valencia, him and the two fullbacks. Good with the ball and can bring it forward while skipping through challenges. His consensus was that weíve done very well to get him.

I think the previous likening to Dembele is appropriate. It took about 6 years at spurs before people actually realised how important he is. Sometimes metrics donít tell the whole story. If he makes our midfield more balanced, gives us height and physicality, it will allow other players to expand their own game. Itís just the same as Davies last year, seemed like he would just run around and misplace 5 yard passes, but our performances improved because of his presence.

Discuss the value of the player after more than 2 appearances.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on November 03, 2018, 05:26:13 AM
Didnt need 2 games to know I'd pay big money for him, other than to prove his leg hasnt fallen off.

But I wanted us to sign Sandro after watching him in Spain, so what do I know?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2018, 11:09:31 PM
I'm convinced, don't care he much he costs
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2018, 11:55:01 PM
As an unquantifiable element for Gomes himself, Gueye has been superb in the last 3/4 games.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2018, 11:57:54 PM
As an unquantifiable element for Gomes himself, Gueye has been superb in the last 3/4 games.

Heís been an absolute JOKE. Champions League level ball winner.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on November 03, 2018, 11:58:19 PM
As an unquantifiable element for Gomes himself, Gueye has been superb in the last 3/4 games.

That's what I have took away from him so far. He's very confident on the ball but strong as well. He's what Schneiderlin should be. Gueye has been at his best with someone confident next to him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on November 04, 2018, 12:02:39 AM
Heís been an absolute JOKE. Champions League level ball winner.

Passing has been better too.

Back to being an unbelievable bargain
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 12:07:05 AM
A joy to watch today
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 12:07:54 AM
Impressed me today to be frank.

Clearly a classy operator, can move with the ball and capable of passing into the box - ball for Walcott was great.

Would love someone to dissect the role heís playing, because itís not immediately apparent to me the differences between him and ganaís roles besides the obvious.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on November 04, 2018, 12:09:29 AM
Impressed me today to be frank.

Clearly a classy operator, can move with the ball and capable of passing into the box - ball for Walcott was great.

Would love someone to dissect the role heís playing, because itís not immediately apparent to me the differences between him and ganaís roles besides the obvious.

Yeah it seems to be classic 4-4-2 with individual style being the differentiator of the two cms
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 12:21:07 AM
Impressed me today to be frank.

Clearly a classy operator, can move with the ball and capable of passing into the box - ball for Walcott was great.

Would love someone to dissect the role heís playing, because itís not immediately apparent to me the differences between him and ganaís roles besides the obvious.
His positioning is superb, naturally seems to be in the right place more often than not, totally instinctive, we need to get him whatever it takes.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on November 04, 2018, 12:31:18 AM
Stupid sexy Gomes.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/5oLuLUXEmZAOs/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on November 04, 2018, 12:41:15 AM
The more i see the more the guy is exactly what we have been missing ....also Guaye has been so much more confident (and awesome)with an absolute baller in his presence . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Risky on November 04, 2018, 02:32:00 AM
He seems to be box to box so far.  I'm not sure that he's going to be a genuine defensive shield like Gana, but he picks the ball up deep and gets things moving and then pops up in the opposition area on the ball too. 

You can see the trust that Gana especially but also the other players have in him.  Always showing for the ball and usually gets it.

There were 2 stand out bits for me in the 2nd half.  One was where he took out I think 3 opposition players with a simple body swerve and quick shift of the ball.  The other was where he exchanged a couple of simple passes with Gana and then just suddenly popped an inch perfect high ball over the full backs head to I think to Lookman.  It was the way the pass came out of nowhere that impressed me, and as I keep reminding myself it's especially impressive given his lack of playing time and in theory sharpness.

I'm trying not to get too excited about him, but I'm so impressed by what I've seen so far.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on November 04, 2018, 03:03:09 AM
Andre Gomesí stats against Brighton:

Touches - 84
Successful passes - 64
Successful forward passes - 33
Successful attacking third passes - 19
Chances created - 1
Pass accuracy - 86%
Recoveries - 10
Aerial duels won - 3
Successful dribbles - 2
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 04, 2018, 03:12:50 AM
Impressed me today to be frank.

Clearly a classy operator, can move with the ball and capable of passing into the box - ball for Walcott was great.

Would love someone to dissect the role he's playing, because it's not immediately apparent to me the differences between him and gana's roles besides the obvious.

ďBoss the gameĒ seems to be the instructions to Gomes and Gueye (GG)


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 04, 2018, 03:32:00 AM
Andre Gomes' stats against Brighton:

Touches - 84
Successful passes - 64
Successful forward passes - 33
Successful attacking third passes - 19
Chances created - 1
Pass accuracy - 86%
Recoveries - 10
Aerial duels won - 3
Successful dribbles - 2
I genuinely don't know if them stats mean he's had a good game or not
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on November 04, 2018, 03:45:01 AM
I genuinely don't know if them stats mean he's had a good game or not

Swashbuckling.

I love him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on November 04, 2018, 03:49:01 AM
God, Iíd love to see him nude
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: toshyboy on November 04, 2018, 04:10:44 AM
First time Iíve watched him live today, and to say I was impressed is an understatement. Always available for a pass and ran the game. Reminds me very much of Gareth Barryís first season with us in terms of what he offers, but an upgraded version
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on November 04, 2018, 04:15:26 AM
Getting better each game he plays, canít wait to see him in the derby. Heís the type to not get flustered with all the noise and hype, calmness personified this lad. Makes everyone around him at ease too.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on November 04, 2018, 04:16:08 AM
Yeah it seems to be classic 4-4-2 with individual style being the differentiator of the two cms

Looks like a lopsided 2-2-3-3 according to this average positions map!


Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on November 04, 2018, 05:01:03 AM
Getting better each game he plays, canít wait to see him in the derby. Heís the type to not get flustered with all the noise and hype, calmness personified this lad. Makes everyone around him at ease too.

Nailed on red card or injury the week before.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on November 04, 2018, 05:54:08 AM
Andre Gomes' stats against Brighton:

Touches - 84
Successful passes - 64
Successful forward passes - 33
Successful attacking third passes - 19
Chances created - 1
Pass accuracy - 86%
Recoveries - 10
Aerial duels won - 3
Successful dribbles - 2

Didnít get to watch today, but 10 recoveries is very good and makes me feel better about my major worry about him.

I thought heíd be too passive defensively to work in a midfield two, but if he can correct that then great.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: mikey_blue on November 04, 2018, 02:49:56 PM
https://twitter.com/eliot_lord_/status/1058893462978904064?s=21

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on November 04, 2018, 02:53:47 PM
https://twitter.com/eliot_lord_/status/1058893462978904064?



ha!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Free Agent on November 04, 2018, 02:58:37 PM
A sideways pass I donít mind seeing
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 03:13:46 PM
Just one smooth silky Bastard
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 04, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
Getting a bit carried away lads. That's very easy to do, unmarked.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 03:47:57 PM
Getting a bit carried away lads. That's very easy to do, unmarked.
But OK
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on November 04, 2018, 04:03:24 PM
Getting a bit carried away lads. That's very easy to do, unmarked.

The commentary is spot on, though, bro
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 04, 2018, 05:57:52 PM
Getting a bit carried away lads. That's very easy to do, unmarked.

This has confused me. Did you think that clip that has been posted was to highlight something good he did? (In which case, you've missed the point, play it with sound on).

Or are you talking about the stats posted about him?
In which case yeah, he'll have more difficult games than yesterday.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 04, 2018, 05:58:50 PM
This has confused me. Did you think that clip that has been posted was to highlight something good he did? (In which case, you've missed the point, play it with sound on).

Or are you talking about the stats posted about him?
In which case yeah, he'll have more difficult games than yesterday.

The former. I thought that was obvious from Sam's comment.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 04, 2018, 06:02:05 PM
Now I'm doubly confused.
I've just had to reread everything to see what everybody said.

I've just seen that you liked Sam's comment though, that's what I missed.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 04, 2018, 11:56:39 PM
Itís the commentary lads.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2018, 06:00:56 AM
Would be interested to see where he ends up on this, style wise.

https://twitter.com/ashwinraman_/status/1058728566777696256?s=21
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on November 05, 2018, 07:41:42 PM
Where did Jose Baxter go wrong...?


:)

Post Of The Year that, G :)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on November 05, 2018, 07:48:15 PM
Didnít get to watch today, but 10 recoveries is very good and makes me feel better about my major worry about him.

I thought heíd be too passive defensively to work in a midfield two, but if he can correct that then great.

The YouTube vid I watched (I know, I know, I'm a fucking armchair but what ya gonna do?) did show him winning back possession a fair bit. The 3 stand-out things I took from it were composure, changing defence to attack and great upper body strength.



And I can't believe it's not been said yet - but there aren't nearly enough pics in this thread!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 05, 2018, 07:54:10 PM
The YouTube vid I watched (I know, I know, I'm a fucking armchair but what ya gonna do?) did show him winning back possession a fair bit. The 3 stand-out things I took from it were composure, changing defence to attack and great upper body strength.



And I can't believe it's not been said yet - but there aren't nearly enough pics in this thread!

Just for you @Toddacelli (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Andr%C3%A9_Filipe_Tavares_Gomes.jpg)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 05, 2018, 08:05:48 PM
He's got a pimple on his lip there, he's not perfect afterall.

Gutted
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 05, 2018, 08:11:26 PM
Would be interested to see where he ends up on this, style wise.

https://twitter.com/ashwinraman_/status/1058728566777696256?s=21

Matic territory at the minute i reckon.
Once he is completely integrated and firing on all barrels, the moving up to Xhaka positioning.

Whether that's sufficient will be down to the system i suppose. Because i suspect that's the highest levels of output we'll see from him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2018, 08:28:42 PM
Matic territory at the minute i reckon.
Once he is completely integrated and firing on all barrels, the moving up to Xhaka positioning.

Whether that's sufficient will be down to the system i suppose. Because i suspect that's the highest levels of output we'll see from him.

Yes thatís about where Iíve got him.

Anything like xhaka levels would be superb, and if he stayed where he is now it would be good but not ideal considering heís supposed to be our progressive ball passer.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 05, 2018, 08:39:53 PM
Yes thatís about where Iíve got him.

Anything like xhaka levels would be superb, and if he stayed where he is now it would be good but not ideal considering heís supposed to be our progressive ball passer.

Exactly.
If this was 6 years ago, it would be more than enough. Back when overlapping fullbacks were the be-all & end-all of attacking play, you could have a central mid who took a ball, moved it forward 10 yards and dish out a side-ways pass all day long.
That's not today though and there needs to be much more vertical movement from this position.

If he can create 1 direct chance per game and feed players who then immediately create a chance a few times a game though, then i'd probably be happy with that for a year or 2.
It would, at least, stop being a crisis position for us. We could then start organically upgrading, as opposed to the "we have zero option except to buy a player for X position immediately" phase we've been in for to long.


Got to give Silva/Brands an enormous amount of credit for the last window. Bernard being useful enough to free up Richarlison to relieve the pressure on Tosun & Zouma/Mina/Digne means we no longer have any position where we cringe when we think about our options.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2018, 09:04:42 PM
Exactly.
If this was 6 years ago, it would be more than enough. Back when overlapping fullbacks were the be-all & end-all of attacking play, you could have a central mid who took a ball, moved it forward 10 yards and dish out a side-ways pass all day long.
That's not today though and there needs to be much more vertical movement from this position.

If he can create 1 direct chance per game and feed players who then immediately create a chance a few times a game though, then i'd probably be happy with that for a year or 2.
It would, at least, stop being a crisis position for us. We could then start organically upgrading, as opposed to the "we have zero option except to buy a player for X position immediately" phase we've been in for to long.


Got to give Silva/Brands an enormous amount of credit for the last window. Bernard being useful enough to free up Richarlison to relieve the pressure on Tosun & Zouma/Mina/Digne means we no longer have any position where we cringe when we think about our options.

Yeah compared to last year it is night and day. Cuco Martina like. 5 at the back v Stoke ffs.

Yeah think Iíd be happy with Gomes if he does that. Heís have to triple his current chance creation but why not.

Wouldnít necessarily spend big money on him however.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on November 05, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
I reckon he's got more in his locker than what we've been seeing. The last third of matches I noticed his game became more conservative, probably due to fatigue both mental and physical, and his passing got more basic.

I'd like to see him when he's got a full tank for a lot longer, see if we get more of the runs he's shown he can do but only fleetingly. I'd like to see him get past Sig on occasions but that may come once they get used to each other
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 05, 2018, 09:43:43 PM
Yeah compared to last year it is night and day. Cuco Martina like. 5 at the back v Stoke ffs.

Yeah think Iíd be happy with Gomes if he does that. Heís have to triple his current chance creation but why not.

Wouldnít necessarily spend big money on him however.

I think "releasing" players is going to be more his role. Players who then create a chance.
Take a ball, drift between the 2 block-lines and feed Walcott/Bernard/Sigurdsson/Lookman.
Once or twice a match feed a ball through to the feet of somebody in the box.

He has a "ceiling" though. I think some of the recent discussions about him have centered around the people thinking he doesn't have one feeling that those of us who thinks he does are saying he is rubbish.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on November 06, 2018, 12:39:03 AM
I think.........he is rubbish.

When paraphrasing goes wrong...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on November 06, 2018, 01:21:16 AM
Just for you @Toddacelli (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Andr%C3%A9_Filipe_Tavares_Gomes.jpg)

Christ   :shock:

I just felt my womb throb.

And I donít even have a womb.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 06, 2018, 01:33:50 AM
Hope he dosen't read this thread he might start over thinking..
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on November 06, 2018, 03:11:09 AM
Hope he dosen't read this thread he might start over thinking..

Haha, he would be so confused  :snigger:


A bit like me 🤔
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on November 06, 2018, 03:12:42 AM
He's got a pimple on his lip there, he's not perfect afterall.

Gutted

Thereís no pus in that spot, though.

Itís filled with vanilla ice cream.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on November 06, 2018, 03:22:25 AM
Wonder if he knows what space docking is
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on November 06, 2018, 04:01:13 AM
Wonder if he knows what space docking is

Wow, havenít heard that term for about a decade 👏🏼😂
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 06, 2018, 05:49:51 AM
Wow, havenít heard that term for about a decade 👏🏼😂
Thank god for google, it's hard work when your well over the 50 mark and moved to the sticks years ago, have enjoyed looking up what a Gomes is though, turns out we need a permanent one.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 10, 2018, 02:24:34 PM
In Portugal squad
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on November 10, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
This weekend will be a good indicator of how good he actually is. Has had three full games now so more accustomed to the Prem. let's see how he does againstbthe Chelsea midfield. Come on Andre
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 10, 2018, 05:49:27 PM
This weekend will be a good indicator of how good he actually is. Has had three full games now so more accustomed to the Prem. let's see how he does againstbthe Chelsea midfield. Come on Andre
Not many midfielders go to Stamford Bridge and boss a game tbf
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2018, 09:25:58 AM
I think Jorginho is probably the best conductor in the world right now, so the midfield battle isnít going to be great imo.

If we press he will evade and pass out of it, if we sit back he will do whatever he wants.

Imo - stop hazard, stop willian, stop Barkley, and hit them on the break.

Itís almost a free hit for me.
I think weíre miles away, in fact I think football is essentially broken, BUT, Iím looking forward to seeing what Marco thinks...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 13, 2018, 05:51:15 PM
Not fit enough for portugal?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Robioto on November 13, 2018, 06:10:02 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1062314815014735872

Withdrawn...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on November 13, 2018, 06:27:48 PM
Not fit enough for portugal?

Injured.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on November 13, 2018, 06:39:50 PM
Canít bear to leave Everton
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 13, 2018, 07:29:06 PM
Withdrawn from squad as a precaution, he'll be fine for the Cardiff match
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 13, 2018, 07:30:57 PM
Very glad Siggy and Gomes are keeping Everton first in mind.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 13, 2018, 07:43:35 PM
James McCarthy take note
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on November 13, 2018, 09:55:31 PM
Gomes will be fit for the Cardiff game - ive seen the quotes from the Portugal team - they said his fitness wasn't good enough so they've sent him back - he's likely just knackered from having played rarely - to playing 90 mins every week for us - he'll be ok theres no injury mentioned. Sigurdsson more of a worry.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 13, 2018, 09:57:42 PM
Gomes will be fit for the Cardiff game - ive seen the quotes from the Portugal team - they said his fitness wasn't good enough so they've sent him back - he's likely just knackered from having played rarely - to playing 90 mins every week for us - he'll be ok theres no injury mentioned. Sigurdsson more of a worry.

Siggy is the kind of player who is most useful in unpicking the lock v. sides like Cardiff.  Hopefully if out, then we will start Lookman and let Bernard play the 10(ish).
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on November 13, 2018, 10:01:08 PM
Siggy is the kind of player who is most useful in unpicking the lock v. sides like Cardiff.  Hopefully if out, then we will start Lookman and let Bernard play the 10(ish).
I think the same re lookman & bernard
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 13, 2018, 10:10:54 PM
It's a situation that will make me very grateful we still have Digne's set piece ability.  He'll be a key man, as well.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 26, 2018, 01:18:04 PM
Make it so

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-boss-marco-silva-reveals-15462160
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 26, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
Just bought a signed photo of him, gonna put it on my bedroom roof
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 26, 2018, 03:48:36 PM
Just bought a signed photo of him, gonna put it on my bedroom roof

Sexy time
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 26, 2018, 05:24:03 PM
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20181125/453066313322/marcel-brands-director-deportivo-everton-andre-gomes-yerry-mina-digne.html
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 26, 2018, 05:56:11 PM
Marcel Brands, sports Director of Everto N, this summer became the protagonist of the present day of BarÁa to sign three BarÁa players: Lucas Digne, Yerry Mina and Andrť Gomes. Brands came last Friday to see live the Netherlands-France in the stadium of Kuip.

Everton made a great disbursement for Digne and Yerry Mina, by which it paid 50.4 million to BarÁa-20.2 by Digne and 30.2 by Yerry-, more 1.5 in variables for each one of them. Questioned by MD by these two more players Andrť Gomes, ceded by BarÁa to the ' Toffees ', Brands explained that "We are very happy with all three. Yerry and Andrť Gomes have been able to play less because they were injured, but they are back and have begun to prove their quality, just as they did before Digne, "he said.

Brands celebrated the first ownership of Yerry before the Chelsea, just before the stop of selections. "He made a big game before a level team like Chelsea, accustomed to playing in the champions and was recognized as MVP of the match. It is great news for Yerry and for us, "explained the Dutchman on the Colombian, who repeated in the eleven in the triumph of the ' toffee ' to Cardiff City.

The future of Andre Gomes, depending on him although Andrť Gomes is ceded and Everton have no option of buying on him, Brands did not hide that he would like to have him in the future, although it is still soon. "The season just started. We are happy with Andrť, but it will depend on him if he wants to stay with us or not, "Brands commented. On the Portuguese midfielder, who was elected MVP to Cardiff City in the crash this Saturday.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on November 29, 2018, 09:38:24 PM
Marcel Brands, sports Director of Everto N, this summer became the protagonist of the present day of BarÁa to sign three BarÁa players: Lucas Digne, Yerry Mina and Andrť Gomes. Brands came last Friday to see live the Netherlands-France in the stadium of Kuip.

Everton made a great disbursement for Digne and Yerry Mina, by which it paid 50.4 million to BarÁa-20.2 by Digne and 30.2 by Yerry-, more 1.5 in variables for each one of them. Questioned by MD by these two more players Andrť Gomes, ceded by BarÁa to the ' Toffees ', Brands explained that "We are very happy with all three. Yerry and Andrť Gomes have been able to play less because they were injured, but they are back and have begun to prove their quality, just as they did before Digne, "he said.

Brands celebrated the first ownership of Yerry before the Chelsea, just before the stop of selections. "He made a big game before a level team like Chelsea, accustomed to playing in the champions and was recognized as MVP of the match. It is great news for Yerry and for us, "explained the Dutchman on the Colombian, who repeated in the eleven in the triumph of the ' toffee ' to Cardiff City.

The future of Andre Gomes, depending on him although Andrť Gomes is ceded and Everton have no option of buying on him, Brands did not hide that he would like to have him in the future, although it is still soon. "The season just started. We are happy with Andrť, but it will depend on him if he wants to stay with us or not, "Brands commented. On the Portuguese midfielder, who was elected MVP to Cardiff City in the crash this Saturday.


Love a poorly-translated sports report. Awesome! lolol
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 29, 2018, 09:43:46 PM
Love a poorly-translated sports report. Awesome! lolol
Google translate at its finest
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 29, 2018, 09:48:13 PM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but loloroco comments on page 2 are briliant
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 29, 2018, 09:56:50 PM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but loloroco comments on page 2 are briliant

And let's not forget the stats lads ;)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2018, 10:13:28 PM
Iím enjoying watching him and his ability to move up the pitch with the ball is doing us a lot of favours at the moment - but still largely feel the same way as I did the other week tbh. Saying he ran the show against Cardiff, a game that we won 1-0 due to a rebound at home, doesnít fill me with more confidence really.

Great to watch though, very aesthetically pleasing and a beautiful dribbler. Hope we keep telling him to pass it into the box because currently heís on course forrrr 1 chance created every 5 games. Thatís fewer than gueye which is a very impressive level of Schneiderlinness.

Iíd be very happy to keep him and he seems like a nice lad. But I hope we sign someone who is more creative from midfield in the summer.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on November 29, 2018, 11:06:40 PM
Stats are my arse and can be used by any one wanting to prove anything ..  .Gomes is just a much better footballer than we have seen since Arteta ... the guy still only has a handfull of games under his belt ...some glass is completely empty and cracked types need to lighten the fuck up man .

Glad M&M don't have the same neg attitude as some of the kranks on here .

Come back Bogie and Realist all is forgiven  lolol
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on November 29, 2018, 11:16:10 PM
Iím enjoying watching him and his ability to move up the pitch with the ball is doing us a lot of favours at the moment - but still largely feel the same way as I did the other week tbh. Saying he ran the show against Cardiff, a game that we won 1-0 due to a rebound at home, doesnít fill me with more confidence really.

Great to watch though, very aesthetically pleasing and a beautiful dribbler. Hope we keep telling him to pass it into the box because currently heís on course forrrr 1 chance created every 5 games. Thatís fewer than gueye which is a very impressive level of Schneiderlinness.

Iíd be very happy to keep him and he seems like a nice lad. But I hope we sign someone who is more creative from midfield in the summer.

Iíll tell you now he wouldíve created three clear cut chances at the weekend if Walcott and Bernard were on their toes.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2018, 11:17:39 PM
Iíll tell you now he wouldíve created three clear cut chances at the weekend if Walcott and Bernard were on their toes.



Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on November 29, 2018, 11:52:53 PM
Iím enjoying watching him and his ability to move up the pitch with the ball is doing us a lot of favours at the moment - but still largely feel the same way as I did the other week tbh. Saying he ran the show against Cardiff, a game that we won 1-0 due to a rebound at home, doesnít fill me with more confidence really.

Great to watch though, very aesthetically pleasing and a beautiful dribbler. Hope we keep telling him to pass it into the box because currently heís on course forrrr 1 chance created every 5 games. Thatís fewer than gueye which is a very impressive level of Schneiderlinness.

Iíd be very happy to keep him and he seems like a nice lad. But I hope we sign someone who is more creative from midfield in the summer.
TBH I think he is exactly what we need which has been shown in our recent upturn in form....I also thought he did run the show against Cardiff and not only pushed us forward but allowed our attacking players to do their jobs.

He 'll be a stats flunk due to not many goals/assists, but it we considerthe additional chances our attacking players will get with his inclusion (forward thinking play, clever passes, ball retention) we 'll be a much better side.

In theory we have 4 attacking players ahead of him plus two relatively attacking full backs so the weight of creative responsibility shouldn't fall on his shoulders and anything he directly creates is a bonus for me.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on November 30, 2018, 12:12:08 AM
TBH I think he is exactly what we need which has been shown in our recent upturn in form....I also thought he did run the show against Cardiff and not only pushed us forward but allowed our attacking players to do their jobs.

He 'll be a stats flunk due to not many goals/assists, but it we considerthe additional chances our attacking players will get with his inclusion (forward thinking play, clever passes, ball retention) we 'll be a much better side.

In theory we have 4 attacking players ahead of him plus two relatively attacking full backs so the weight of creative responsibility shouldn't fall on his shoulders and anything he directly creates is a bonus for me.


Lot of truth in this. His ability to manipulate the ball around and let the likes of Digne, Coleman, Sig etc...do their thing is what has made our play look a lot more fluid. There are far more pressing issues at the minute, like our wide players and their inability to trouble the scorers which is putting all the pressure on Sig and Richarlison.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 30, 2018, 03:28:16 PM
He's the guy who will set up the assist.
I'm happy with that as long as 2 or more of the 4 in front of him are on form.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 30, 2018, 03:47:19 PM
He's the guy who will set up the assist.
I'm happy with that as long as 2 or more of the 4 in front of him are on form.

A nice ball around the corner but it looks like the the defender got in front of the attacker (richarlison?).

So he set up the...incomplete pass that set up the missed shot that rebounded for a finish.

Not to you know, pick hairs because it was a nice idea first time around the corner. Just not strictly true I don’t think.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on November 30, 2018, 03:49:57 PM
He shouldnít be judged on the amount of chances he creates considering his role in the team.

Heís playing a lot deeper than he normally would.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 30, 2018, 04:01:40 PM
A nice ball around the corner but it looks like the the defender got in front of the attacker (richarlison?).

So he set up the...incomplete pass that set up the missed shot that rebounded for a finish.

Not to you know, pick hairs because it was a nice idea first time around the corner. Just not strictly true I donít think.

I'm not commenting on 1 pass of 1 game. I'm talking about what i foresee his role to be.
Receive it off Gana.
Push forward 10/a dozen yards.
Lay it off to somebody to try and unpick the lock.

Criminally underrated position and role.
don't want to get anywhere near a stats argument again - but i've mentioned to you in the past i'm all for them for judging strikers, keepers and the ability to differentiate between hot-form/luck & actual class.
But roles like this are categorically not something that can be measured.

Unless, like in the NFL, there is a "rushing" stat. Which measures how far somebody travels with the ball.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 30, 2018, 04:05:49 PM
He shouldnít be judged on the amount of chances he creates considering his role in the team.

Heís playing a lot deeper than he normally would.

shouldnít be the main thing heís judged on. But if you have a centre mid who is moving up the pitch and having the ball lots (which I love about him btw) and we are saying heís a good passer, or we should sign him for god knows what millions - he should be contributing otherwise you can get better value for your money or he needs to improve in some areas.

Just as a guide to see where Iím coming from - heís currently less creative than Morgan Schneiderlin has ever been in any season of his career apparently.

Itís fine to like a player and enjoy watching him, itís fine to want better, itís fine to be patient.

I know some will think Iím just piss boiling so I can canít state this enough - one of the first names on the team sheet for me, but I still have some reservations.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 30, 2018, 04:09:54 PM
I'm not commenting on 1 pass of 1 game. I'm talking about what i foresee his role to be.
Receive it off Gana.
Push forward 10/a dozen yards.
Lay it off to somebody to try and unpick the lock.

Criminally underrated position and role.
don't want to get anywhere near a stats argument again - but i've mentioned to you in the past i'm all for them for judging strikers, keepers and the ability to differentiate between hot-form/luck & actual class.
But roles like this are categorically not something that can be measured.

Unless, like in the NFL, there is a "rushing" stat. Which measures how far somebody travels with the ball.


Ohh I understand.

Apologies, yeah he is about just above league average for what you would call build up - possessions with the ball that end in a key pass (good because in general our CMís have been shit at this).

Thereís also deep progressions (rushing stat you mention), but I havenít seen a graph for that since heís been playing. I would imagine he does quite well tbh because heís a better dribbler than gueye and he is finding digne regularly on the left.

Also just to move away from stats for a mo and talk about like what we see or whatever - I like him, I just hope for more than Morgan Schneiderlin with a nice aesthetic style and a good feint, and so should you.

Ps. Take issue with the categorically not measurable claim but I know where youíre coming from.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 30, 2018, 04:21:05 PM
yeah, deffo just a difference of opinion we can glide over that last bit.

I do think we love him so much because he is so much better at this deep progression (cheers for pointing me towards that) than anything we've had there for a while.
I'm happy with 'above average' there for the time being due to that.

It's unreal how many of our "danger" positions have been filled in by solid (or really good) options.
Left back, central defence, central midfield and attacking width. All rectified in one window.
Sort out up-top and add a touch of depth next year. Then we can look around and upgrade these 'better than average' options.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 30, 2018, 04:30:38 PM
yeah, deffo just a difference of opinion we can glide over that last bit.

I do think we love him so much because he is so much better at this deep progression (cheers for pointing me towards that) than anything we've had there for a while.
I'm happy with 'above average' there for the time being due to that.

It's unreal how many of our "danger" positions have been filled in by solid (or really good) options.
Left back, central defence, central midfield and attacking width. All rectified in one window.
Sort out up-top and add a touch of depth next year. Then we can look around and upgrade these 'better than average' options.

Yeah 100% and in terms of moving with the ball heís night and day compared to what weíve had. And despite the relative safety of his passing itís still been good quality.

Itís almost unbelievable how the side looks compared to say the derby last year. Playing what looked like Wayne Rooneyís da as a centre mid etc.

I might be wrong about the deep progressions btw, it might be like ball progressions or something, Iíve definitely seen some work on it earlier in the season however.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on November 30, 2018, 04:56:53 PM
Although I see where you are coming from brap I think you are not giving him enough credit.

I see his role in our team atm as a deep lying midfielder as almost a direct alternative to the ineffectual Morgan.....he is more effective and forward thinking but constantly creating isn't his role surely although I think he can pitch in.

 I have been impressed with his defensive positioning though and he seems a very intelligent player rather than our usual bull in a China shop.

I also wouldn't pay too much attention to the stats at the moment anyway as he's only played a handful of games after a long injury lay off and 2 of those have been away to Chelsea and utd where even top midfielders would struggle to register great figures.

I know most conversations we have on the forum revert back to stats but they really dont tell the full story ..... I mean let's take Iniesta for example his stats for Barcelona are awful on paper in terms of chances created, assists and goals despite having the best players in the world around him- he was still regarded as one of the best midfielders around

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 30, 2018, 05:34:02 PM
The iniesta thing is interesting, because no he didnít typically score or assist a lot, so by traditional metrics you could say thereís an argument for it....

But in terms of whatís measured now a days, even til 16/17 he was blowing away league average midfield performances by orders of magnitudes like. 90th percentile for passing ability, build up, dribbling.

Helps heís got Messi like, but worth remembering that young Andre was bought to be the successor to iniesta. His profile from that period donít make great reading, and he had a really tough time there.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 30, 2018, 07:31:18 PM
The iniesta thing is interesting, because no he didnít typically score or assist a lot, so by traditional metrics you could say thereís an argument for it....

But in terms of whatís measured now a days, even til 16/17 he was blowing away league average midfield performances by orders of magnitudes like. 90th percentile for passing ability, build up, dribbling.

Helps heís got Messi like, but worth remembering that young Andre was bought to be the successor to iniesta. His profile from that period donít make great reading, and he had a really tough time there.

Not being intentionally facetious but are there are metrics by which we can measure his ability to receive the ball on either foot, marked or not marked, in very tight defensive areas and then start the play off with a lovely pass into feet, because he does that fucking beautifully. And it's not purely aesthetically pleasing, it's hugely constructive to facilitate the way we're playing and succeeding in games.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on November 30, 2018, 07:51:32 PM
For me what he brings is everything Morgan doesn't in that I just have confidence in his ability not to lose the ball/dive in etc which I feel just spreads through the team. I appreciate that is hard to quantify but i dont think it's a coincidence Gueye and Gilf are looking superb around him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 30, 2018, 07:56:54 PM
Not being intentionally facetious but are there are metrics by which we can measure his ability to receive the ball on either foot, marked or not marked, in very tight defensive areas and then start the play off with a lovely pass into feet, because he does that fucking beautifully. And it's not purely aesthetically pleasing, it's hugely constructive to facilitate the way we're playing and succeeding in games.

Havenít a scoob to be honest but I strongly agree.

Having a composed, technically good player who is press resistant and looks for the ball has been a massive breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: hannu on November 30, 2018, 08:13:42 PM
he contributes massively in the build up, a lesser player would have lost the ball many of times and our attack fizzled out

he has pulled off some beautiful passes diagonally in between the cb and fb to find a player in a great position to cross
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on November 30, 2018, 08:27:52 PM
The fact he doesn't treat the ball like a hot potato is a massively refreshing. He's not afraid to receive it under pressure, drop a shoulder, change the angle of play or move forward with it at his feet. All things we've lacked for years. You could argue Davies tries all that but it's not very effective as he'll inevitably try and buy a foul after it, which is great to retain possession but not so when you lose the opportunity to break or add momentum to an attack.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 30, 2018, 09:16:11 PM
I got his name on my shirt. This is totally unacceptable for a 35 year old man but I just love him

I sometimes take my contact lenses out and look at myself in the mirror with the Andre Gomes shirt on. I've got dark hair and a beard so for a second or so I am Andre Gomes
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Polledreng on November 30, 2018, 09:19:45 PM
I got his name on my shirt. This is totally unacceptable for a 35 year old man but I just love him

I sometimes take my contact lenses out and look at myself in the mirror with the Andre Gomes shirt on. I've got dark hair and a beard so for a second or so I am Andre Gomes
If only i was 35 again I wouldn't mind looking like Tony Hibbert
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on November 30, 2018, 09:29:55 PM
I got his name on my shirt. This is totally unacceptable for a 35 year old man but I just love him

I sometimes take my contact lenses out and look at myself in the mirror with the Andre Gomes shirt on. I've got dark hair and a beard so for a second or so I am Andre Gomes

So have I and I'm 38
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on November 30, 2018, 11:09:49 PM
Being reported that we can pay 70mil for Ndombele but if it doesnít come off weíll get Gomes.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on November 30, 2018, 11:11:30 PM
Being reported that we can pay 70mil for Ndombele but if it doesnít come off weíll get Gomes.

We're gonna ruin the transfer window again aren't we, fuck sake Everton!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on November 30, 2018, 11:41:35 PM
Being reported that we can pay 70mil for Ndombele but if it doesnít come off weíll get Gomes.

Cant we have both?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on November 30, 2018, 11:42:38 PM
Being reported that we can pay 70mil for Ndombele but if it doesnít come off weíll get Gomes.

Must be playing Barca here because there will be a list as long as your arm after tongy.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on November 30, 2018, 11:42:57 PM
Cant we have both?

Not sure both would work, especially if we manage to keep Gana.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on November 30, 2018, 11:47:16 PM
Must be playing Barca here because there will be a list as long as your arm after tongy.

Heís the perfect Fernandinho replacement like but I think we stand a good chance of getting him.

Come to us lad, spend three years here then when your hitting your prime make the big move.

Players like this get lost amongst the shuffle hitting the elite clubs too early.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on November 30, 2018, 11:50:06 PM
Not sure both would work, especially if we manage to keep Gana.



I know but I love Gomes.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on December 01, 2018, 12:10:18 AM
Gomes will leave after his loan.

Evertonians will go on and on about him for years.

@Gash (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) will moan about these people constantly and say he was shit.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bally on December 01, 2018, 12:14:09 AM
Man crush

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gash on December 01, 2018, 12:45:00 AM
Gomes will leave after his loan.

Evertonians will go on and on about him for years.

@Gash (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) will moan about these people constantly and say he was shit.

Nah, I like him, he's no Manuel Fernandes. :)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 01, 2018, 01:08:16 AM
He's a box to box fox and we need him
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2018, 07:52:09 PM
He's got a calmness in possession I haven't seen at Goodison for years. He's quickly becoming my favourite player.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 04, 2018, 08:40:48 PM
Player of the season.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 05, 2018, 05:19:13 AM
Lads, Tom Davies beats him all ends up in the stats.

More passes, forward passes, interceptions, blocks, tackles, chances created etc.

Interesting that.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on December 05, 2018, 06:38:23 AM
Portuguese beards one..Scouse facial fuzz nil
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Alanvideo on December 05, 2018, 02:05:43 PM
PaulJoyce The Times..............
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/everton-believe-andre-gomes-wants-to-convert-loan-deal-to-permanent-contract-z3h825g5x
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 05, 2018, 02:09:14 PM
Lads, Tom Davies beats him all ends up in the stats.

More passes, forward passes, interceptions, blocks, tackles, chances created etc.

Interesting that.



Staying out of this one.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on December 05, 2018, 03:02:36 PM
Lads, Tom Davies beats him all ends up in the stats.

More passes, forward passes, interceptions, blocks, tackles, chances created etc.

Interesting that.



And never before has the saying that stats can be misleading been more true.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 05, 2018, 03:08:38 PM
And never before has the saying that stats can be misleading been more true.

Why though?

I think it proves Tom Davies is a lot better than people give him credit for and offers a lot to the team

And while Gomes has been good, it is a valid critique to say he doesnít impact the game as much as he probably should.

I would still much has Gomes in the team
than Davies though.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 05, 2018, 03:13:05 PM
Mostly agree with that. Davies is underrated but Gomes is a better player overall and adds a touch of class and control. As a team wanting to progress; slowly improving our first team is the way to go. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 05, 2018, 03:43:03 PM
Iím enjoying watching him and his ability to move up the pitch with the ball is doing us a lot of favours at the moment - but still largely feel the same way as I did the other week tbh. Saying he ran the show against Cardiff, a game that we won 1-0 due to a rebound at home, doesnít fill me with more confidence really.

Great to watch though, very aesthetically pleasing and a beautiful dribbler. Hope we keep telling him to pass it into the box because currently heís on course forrrr 1 chance created every 5 games. Thatís fewer than gueye which is a very impressive level of Schneiderlinness.

Iíd be very happy to keep him and he seems like a nice lad. But I hope we sign someone who is more creative from midfield in the summer.

Mate thereís more to chance creation than passing a ball directly into the feet of someone who takes a shot at goal, or whatever the measure is for however those stats are measured.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 05, 2018, 03:46:53 PM
Mate thereís more to chance creation than passing a ball directly into the feet of someone who takes a shot at goal, or whatever the measure is for however those stats are measured.

Itís the three players infront of him that should be judged on chance creation anyway.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on December 05, 2018, 03:58:31 PM
Lads, Tom Davies beats him all ends up in the stats.

More passes, forward passes, interceptions, blocks, tackles, chances created etc.

Interesting that.


that just proves stats don't mean everthing haha
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on December 05, 2018, 04:00:40 PM
Scores tonight ye'know
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Alanvideo on December 05, 2018, 04:01:24 PM
that just proves stats don't mean everthing haha
................research shows that 73.6% of stats are meaningless.  :bonk:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 05, 2018, 04:01:25 PM
Why though?

I think it proves Tom Davies is a lot better than people give him credit for and offers a lot to the team

And while Gomes has been good, it is a valid critique to say he doesnít impact the game as much as he probably should.

I would still much has Gomes in the team
than Davies though.

Do we also take into account he games Gomes has been involved in? United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool....compared to the 'lesser' teams Davies has played in, and hence, easier games to influence?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 05, 2018, 04:03:31 PM
I like Tom, but Gomes is in a different league. We've been crying out for a player like Gomes for years, with Tom and others on the fringes, so lets not overcook this debate eh, its a bit odd to say the least. Gomes has been great for us, lets try and secure him and add other class acts like him, and get closer to challenging and hopefully breaking into the top 6.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on December 05, 2018, 04:27:50 PM
Why though?

I think it proves Tom Davies is a lot better than people give him credit for and offers a lot to the team

And while Gomes has been good, it is a valid critique to say he doesnít impact the game as much as he probably should.

I would still much has Gomes in the team
than Davies though.

I dont think Davies is a bad player, I think he could learn a lot from Gomes though and hopefully he will. Gomes is far more composed and what the stats dont tell you are the quality of those stats, Davies has made more of everything, but were his higher tackles rate due to him chasing the ball, whereas Gomes made 3 critical game challenges cause he was in the right place, were Davies passes forward to anyone, or were they the right option at the time etc etc, i dont know? From watching the games Gomes appears to be the far superior player and thats why I think the stats can be really misleading.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on December 05, 2018, 04:30:41 PM
Do we also take into account he games Gomes has been involved in? United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool....compared to the 'lesser' teams Davies has played in, and hence, easier games to influence?

And he was never rushed ,even against these teams .

Hope Tom learns loads from this .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 05, 2018, 04:35:42 PM
Ok sound so, I think the most interesting thing about the stats ran is mentioning, is like he says, the difference in perception between the two.

Donít think the most ardent statsmachine would want Tom in the side over Andre.

Neither have played 1000 mins yet this season, let alone a full season.

Rightly pointed out, Gomes has played against top teams. But if you were a side looking for very specific stuff, e.g a player who passes forward a lot, it shows how stats are a better gauge than the eye, because to the eye you would say gomes blows Tom off the park at that, but like it or not a good deal of that opinion boils down to perception and unconscious bias.

Stats never tell the full story however and you would be an idiot to scout purely off a spreadsheet, but I am always greatly entertained by these random fellas off the internet who are like - Iíve not looked into it, Iím not going to look into it, I barely even really understand it, but this is BULLSHIT.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 05, 2018, 04:42:03 PM
Mate thereís more to chance creation than passing a ball directly into the feet of someone who takes a shot at goal, or whatever the measure is for however those stats are measured.

I strongly agree. But passing the ball to a player that can take a shot is you know, pretty arguably the most straight forward and importantly element of creating a chance innit. I mean I know movement and dragging players away and being calm in posession and the playing the lads that plays the player who plays the pass is all extremely important but - I mean if heís that good at passing the ball and heís playing in the same position and heís playing in a better side and weíre in better form then - he should be better than Morgan Schneiderlin or Idrissa Gueye at this very simplistic measurement eventually right? Is that wrong to want that? Play more passes into the box?

Fact is the side in general doesnít have many players who do that. Itís one of the most straight forward things in football Iíd say and I donít think you need to count them in decimal points per 90 or visualise it on a screen - do you have players who can create a chance during open play? Do you have players who can create GOOD chances during open play?

The more the better.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 05, 2018, 04:45:14 PM
yeah, the figures at the moment don't deter from Gomes, it just shows that Davies has been better than a lot of swivel-eyed loons think.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 05, 2018, 04:46:42 PM
Do we also take into account he games Gomes has been involved in? United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool....compared to the 'lesser' teams Davies has played in, and hence, easier games to influence?

Thatís got to be taken into account like.

Would like to see them both in the side at one point myself, but thatís probably involves dropping Gana or Sigurdsson and you canít be doing that.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 05, 2018, 04:48:52 PM
yeah, the figures at the moment don't deter from Gomes, it just shows that Davies has been better than a lot of swivel-eyed loons think.

If Davies was able to ride tackles out and create separation between him and the tackler, then he would be a much better rated player and in general be easier to play him. Heís quite small though and not technically that good, while Gomes is a unit and has fantastic feet.

Would he be better playing it quicker more sometimes? Probably yeah.

Does it look impressive when he rides out tackles and comes out with the ball looking like heís walking the shop for his paper? Certainly bloody does.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on December 05, 2018, 05:33:29 PM
Despite saying Davies isnt too bad you also have to see how highly he is regarded from outside Goodison. In an age where if you're English, have played in the Premiership (or not) you get called up for England he is still yet to do so, whereas players like Winks, RLC, Maddison, Sancho, Mount have all been called up despite playing significantly less than Davies in the top flight, sadly there is probably a reason for this.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 05, 2018, 05:38:25 PM
Despite saying Davies isnt too bad you also have to see how highly he is regarded from outside Goodison. In an age where if you're English, have played in the Premiership (or not) you get called up for England he is still yet to do so, whereas players like Winks, RLC, Maddison, Sancho, Mount have all been called up despite playing significantly less than Davies in the top flight, sadly there is probably a reason for this.

Especially since he got picked up for senior training when he was first breaking through.

Englandís centre mid is pretty shocking, and youíd have to say heís miles away from a call up.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 05, 2018, 05:41:21 PM
Aye we all overrate our own, especially home-grown. There was a reason Digne and Gomes were at Barcelona, the best footballing side in the world...

Just looking at their midfielders: Rakitic, Busquets, Suarez, Coutinho, Arthur, Rafinha, Samper, Vidal, Alena. No wonder Gomes wanted to get more play-time.

/prods Barca for Malcom and Arthur, to go with our Henry and Bernard. I wonder if United want shut of Fred too :D
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on December 05, 2018, 05:56:33 PM
I don't care what the stats say, Gomes is the best central midfield player we have had in a very long time. He is only comparable with Arteta.

That doesn't demean Davies in anyway saying that, as I think he will be a cracking player. He is only 20 years old and has 15 years of football ahead of him, whereas Gomes is approaching his prime at 25 years old, and has far more experience.

Having Gomes will force Davies to up his game, and playing with better players will raise his standards.

The size of the impact that Gomes has had can be measured in the fact that I think he is now in the top 5 most important players we have.

Big well done to Brands and Silva.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Robber Rodwell on December 05, 2018, 06:10:32 PM
Watching Gomes on the ball is great.  He can somehow slow the game down and keep full control of the ball no matter how frenetic the match is.

World class player.  On a side note wheee is Morgan these days??
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 05, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
I strongly agree. But passing the ball to a player that can take a shot is you know, pretty arguably the most straight forward and importantly element of creating a chance innit. I mean I know movement and dragging players away and being calm in posession and the playing the lads that plays the player who plays the pass is all extremely important but - I mean if heís that good at passing the ball and heís playing in the same position and heís playing in a better side and weíre in better form then - he should be better than Morgan Schneiderlin or Idrissa Gueye at this very simplistic measurement eventually right? Is that wrong to want that? Play more passes into the box?

Fact is the side in general doesnít have many players who do that. Itís one of the most straight forward things in football Iíd say and I donít think you need to count them in decimal points per 90 or visualise it on a screen - do you have players who can create a chance during open play? Do you have players who can create GOOD chances during open play?

The more the better.

Yeah all fair points (and now realise I replied to your comment before reading what followed and so am in some sense rehashing what's already been discussed).

Personally though think this type of analysis ignores things like who Gomes has around him, where he's been told to play and other instructions he's been given. Maybe you can tell me but I'd imagine the stats showing we're trying to create a lot more down the wings and cut/cross in, rather than passing through the middle.

I do think you're picking up on one area where you could say Gomes isn't showing anything exceptional and that's the threaded, creative forward pass that only a Barry or a Rooney has the vision to see and play consistently. I think it's too early to say whether he has that in the tank. It could simply be a case of him taking more chances as he gets more comfortable with the PL so we'll see more soon. Or it could be Silva telling him don't you give the fucking ball away when you've got 4-6 players bombing ahead of you. Or that Sigg or RIcharlison aren't making the right runs in the middle into space for him to pass it to. Dunno, I'd have to pay more attention.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 05, 2018, 06:24:07 PM
Yeah all fair points (and now realise I replied to your comment before reading what followed and so am in some sense rehashing what's already been discussed).

Personally though think this type of analysis ignores things like who Gomes has around him, where he's been told to play and other instructions he's been given. Maybe you can tell me but I'd imagine the stats showing we're trying to create a lot more down the wings and cut/cross in, rather than passing through the middle.

I do think you're picking up on one area where you could say Gomes isn't showing anything exceptional and that's the threaded, creative forward pass that only a Barry or a Rooney has the vision to see and play consistently. I think it's too early to say whether he has that in the tank. It could simply be a case of him taking more chances as he gets more comfortable with the PL so we'll see more soon. Or it could be Silva telling him don't you give the fucking ball away when you've got 4-6 players bombing ahead of you. Or that Sigg or RIcharlison aren't making the right runs in the middle into space for him to pass it to. Dunno, I'd have to pay more attention.

Nah itís all fair, Iím being very black and white when thereís no need to be particularly. Weíre all enjoying watching him and so we should, heís looking superb at the minute.

You are right about the wide build up. Definitely a feature of silvaís football.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on December 05, 2018, 07:14:23 PM
Watching Gomes on the ball is great.  He can somehow slow the game down and keep full control of the ball no matter how frenetic the match is.

World class player.  On a side note wheee is Morgan these days??

Having seen his wife I would imagine shacked up at home
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: .Matty on December 05, 2018, 07:25:29 PM
I feel like there is more to come from his partnership with Gana. They haven't quite got their understanding of each others game and reading of each others position yet. There are times when I've felt like Gomes hasn't quite read a situation when Gana has won back the ball, and Gomes could be in a better position to receive it off him quickly. Also Gana doesn't always seem to know  where Gomes is quickly enough to give it to him and let him create once he has won it. Gana ends up on the ball too long, trying and find a pass and ends up giving it away. Obviously this isnt purely down to Gomes depending on the are of the pitch where the ball has been won, but hopefully they will develop a better partnership as time goes on. Both are performing really well individually but they could work as more of a unit.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on December 05, 2018, 09:44:45 PM
You are right about the wide build up. Definitely a feature of silvaís football.

Are we sure that that's a choice?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 05, 2018, 09:57:02 PM
Are we sure that that's a choice?

Choice or not, itís a feature.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on December 05, 2018, 09:58:16 PM
Choice or not, itís a feature.

Touchť.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on December 06, 2018, 12:09:57 AM
Choice or not, itís a feature.

Think itís a choice.

Players seem to be encouraged to cross the ball rather than just go back all the time.

Also in preseason when it was more 433, the wider CMs were overloading in the wing areas rather than funnelling through the middle.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on December 06, 2018, 12:26:22 AM
@kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) come on lad, accept you were wrong like Brap has.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on December 06, 2018, 01:05:05 AM
Why though?

I think it proves Tom Davies is a lot better than people give him credit for and offers a lot to the team

And while Gomes has been good, it is a valid critique to say he doesnít impact the game as much as he probably should.

I would still much has Gomes in the team
than Davies though.

Id like to see how theyd fare as a partnership.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on December 06, 2018, 03:19:19 AM
@kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) come on lad, accept you were wrong like Brap has.

He's made us better. I was wrong about that.

I still don't think we should pay what we're going to have to pay to make it permanent, with the caveat that he could continue to improve.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 04:48:03 AM
@kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) come on lad, accept you were wrong like Brap has.

I absolutely have not.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 04:50:49 AM
Think itís a choice.

Players seem to be encouraged to cross the ball rather than just go back all the time.

Also in preseason when it was more 433, the wider CMs were overloading in the wing areas rather than funnelling through the middle.

Not a huge fan considering the lack of natural striker.

Also why were we not pressing tonight?

We had 52 crosses tonight, kin hell!

My kingdom for a midfielder who can create a goal scoring chance from open play, rather than take ten touches then pass it to gueye.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Thomas on December 06, 2018, 07:10:51 AM
He's boss and has completely proved my point that once we signed an actual CM people will realise Tom Davies is an amateur in comparison.

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Thomas on December 06, 2018, 07:11:44 AM
He's made us better. I was wrong about that.

I still don't think we should pay what we're going to have to pay to make it permanent, with the caveat that he could continue to improve.
Tbf to Kramer I thought this the other day that if he is going to cost a bomb + The fact we need to improve on Gana that's a lot for a new midfield especially when we also need a new CF

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Thomas on December 06, 2018, 07:13:17 AM
Why though?

I think it proves Tom Davies is a lot better than people give him credit for and offers a lot to the team

And while Gomes has been good, it is a valid critique to say he doesn't impact the game as much as he probably should.

I would still much has Gomes in the team
than Davies though.
This is basically Tom Davies denial syndrome.

Gomes has proven the difference between a rookie and someone who actually can play football let alone CM.

Gomes reminds me a little of Arteta and we have been crying our for that kind of player at CM for years.

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Thomas on December 06, 2018, 07:15:05 AM
And never before has the saying that stats can be misleading been more true.
It's shit like this that annoys me. People actually believing Tom Davies is anywhere near a good player when in about 3 years he will end up at Middlesbrough.

I was more enthusiastic about James Vaughan and Jack Rodwell when they where coming through and that's saying something.

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on December 06, 2018, 08:01:57 AM
Nah, I like Davies.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on December 06, 2018, 08:30:17 AM
Gomes is a fantastic footballer, he seems to have the lot as a central midfielder, the only fault I can pick in his game is that sometimes he over hits his pass, perhaps itís a case of his teammates not predicting his intentions early enough as his footballing brain is two passes ahead of anyone else on the team. Needs to be signed permanently.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on December 06, 2018, 01:02:34 PM
Not a huge fan considering the lack of natural striker.

Also why were we not pressing tonight?

My kingdom for a midfielder who can create a goal scoring chance from open play, rather than take ten touches then pass it to gueye.


A) Iíd suppose the idea is more of the crosses for Sig and Tosun chances than longer ones slung in.

And we do like a cross, historically.

B) combination of being tired and when the other team plays 3 CBs itís easier to shuffle the ball sideways. Our pressing seems more on angles rather than just mad running and it seemed that we couldnít cut them off as well
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 02:37:28 PM
I imagine most of you gave him man of the match there.

Think that game was a pretty good example of why we need more creativity from open play.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on December 06, 2018, 02:47:54 PM
Best player on the pitch by a mile last night, and it wasn't his best game.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 06, 2018, 02:55:03 PM
Agree with Macca, it wasnt anyones best game last night. And was kind of half expecting Brap2 to come on and blame the the whole Teams poor show on Gomes , who was probably one of our better players last night, considering they all had a bad day at the office. I thought Brap2 had apologised for being wrong about Gomes being shite and we'd moved on. :D Come on man, dont make him a target, this continual whining about him is a bad show, and kind of unexpected from you fella. He's better than what we have. He would be a great asset to the club if we got him, and then adding a top class striker, and maybe a better Gueue (who can pass), then were not far away from being able to compete with the big boys regularly.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 03:04:25 PM
Motm for me probably richarlison, worked hard and took his goal well.

Side in general disappointing but not surprising - we struggle to break teams down from open play.

Gomes good first half, but in general the game highlighted the issue of our lack of progressive passers.

Having a nice tidy midfielder who can turn their striker three times then play it sideways to gueye doesnít help all that much in those games.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 06, 2018, 03:21:44 PM
Motm for me probably richarlison, worked hard and took his goal well.

Side in general disappointing but not surprising - we struggle to break teams down from open play.

Gomes good first half, but in general the game highlighted the issue of our lack of progressive passers.

Having a nice tidy midfielder who can turn their striker three times then play it sideways to gueye doesnít help all that much in those games.


Youíre trying too hard now.

He was the best player on the park by an absolute fucking mile.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 03:33:38 PM
Youíre trying too hard now.

He was the best player on the park by an absolute fucking mile.



I donít have anything add really other than to repeat that last night was a good example of why we need more progressive passers in midfield.

Once again your cm Ďruns the showí and you fail to create meaningful chances against a bottom half side.

Maybe a striker who makes good runs will help and I just need to accept Gomes is a good, tidy 6 with a conservative passing range who can get up the pitch well.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 06, 2018, 03:41:37 PM
Brap, in our formation, 4-3-3, mainly as a 4-2-3-1 most of the creativity should come from Sigurdsson. Gomes' role is to keep things ticking over nicely and linking all aspects of our play - which he does brilliantly (compared to what we have seen recently), Gana breaking things up, and Sigurdsson playing behind the striker. Gomes simply DOES NOT play most of his balls "sideways to Gueye". I agree with Ram you are trying too hard now, and must be either going off on one because you have had your nose put out of joint or you are just taking the piss - either way, you are seeing a different player to the vast majority of us. You need a holiday fella, or a snickers :D
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on December 06, 2018, 03:51:29 PM
It was an off-day for most of the team yesterday and if that means a draw against an in-form Newcastle then thats not a disaster.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on December 06, 2018, 03:55:02 PM
He was looking up to fizz a few balls towards the edge of the area last night and did a few times, only to see Sig or Tosun or Richarlison play the ball either back the way it came or out wide. Not one of them took it upon themselves to take a touch and either draw a foul, turn a defender or attempt a ball round the corner, but Gomes was looking for it and in the end decided not to go down that route as the match wore on.

I disagree he's just a nice tidy player, I think he has more in his locker but I just don't think we have the players ahead of him that could make him play a more expansive game.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 03:58:46 PM
Donít get me started on Sig!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 06, 2018, 04:00:02 PM
Aye, Lxxx. Lad's been spoiled with Messi and Suarez etc getting on the end of things and them NOT turning around and going back to a defender then to the keeper, but beating a man and thumping it into the net :D Bit different at Everton at the mo. For now!!!! We need someone who will terrify defenders, and free up our other players.

Surely Brands et al have got their eyes on someone in January? Our ITKs will have to do some sniffing....
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on December 06, 2018, 04:01:56 PM
Donít get me started on Sig!

Our best player so far this season, had an off day yesterday, like most of them
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 06, 2018, 04:04:32 PM
How fucking BORING you are Brap.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 04:09:22 PM
What have I said thatís so wrong? Mad mentality this you know.

I havenít even directly criticised him! Just on last nights showing, which we know already, we donít have enough creativity in midfield.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 06, 2018, 04:10:32 PM
What have I said thatís so wrong? Mad mentality this you know.

I havenít even directly criticised him! Just on last nights showing, which we know already, we donít have enough creativity in midfield.

Thatís true, but there were four other midfielders on the pitch and you seem to be putting all the blame on Gomes, when he was actually the most progressive player on the park.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 04:26:56 PM
Thatís true, but there were four other midfielders on the pitch and you seem to be putting all the blame on Gomes, when he was actually the most progressive player on the park.

Because heís the one weíre considering spending 30m+ on!

Sigurdsson Iíve made my feelings clear on.

Tosun Iíve made my feelings clear on.

Lookman has a bad game and the case for starting Walcott became a bit clearer imo.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on December 06, 2018, 04:30:22 PM
Gomes is right up there as one of our most important players imo and we d realise how important if wenwere to loose him and bring months likes of Davies, Morgan.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on December 06, 2018, 04:32:57 PM
Said it a few times, if we need to break the bank to sign him then do it, we have the money.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 06, 2018, 05:13:08 PM
Because heís the one weíre considering spending 30m+ on!

Sigurdsson Iíve made my feelings clear on.

Tosun Iíve made my feelings clear on.

Lookman has a bad game and the case for starting Walcott became a bit clearer imo.

But he has so much more to offer in other aspects of his game.

You really watched him last night and came away thinking heís not progressive enough?

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 07:05:44 PM
But he has so much more to offer in other aspects of his game.

You really watched him last night and came away thinking heís not progressive enough?



I thought the side in general is not progressive enough yeah. Bad at breaking down a low block and relying on smashing crosses in.

Heís our main cm tasked with driving forward and setting up attacks.

I think heíll work well in a counter attacking side but when weíre dominating the ball at home, itís a war of attrition. Could just as easily be in the silva tactics thread.

I honestly feel last nights game is interesting viewed through the prism of the convo you started actually - heís tasty but is he progressive enough with the ball?

Going to be honest, the thing thatís followed him around his career so far is that he flatters to deceive. I think itís a BIT unfair, but if weíre talking about spending big money on a peak age CM...what do you need him to do in this side?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on December 06, 2018, 07:16:39 PM
As Lxxx said, he was constantly looking forward and playing balls which broke the Newcastle lines, only for our front men to screw up with their touch.

You wouldn't criticise the Hermes sorting office because their delivery men have left your parcel in the hedge. Again.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: di_guyo on December 06, 2018, 07:45:16 PM
Gomes was not the problem last night, the lack of imagination around him was.

Siggy, as good as he has been, is a goalscorer...not quite got what it takes to break a solid backline like a more traditional number 10. In games like that, you're looking to him for that 25 yarder...otherwise, you need more creativity in there. Doesn't help him either when those around him aren't making great runs either though.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on December 06, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
Been shite on here lately. Fed up reading the same person giving self-important, OTT, contrarian opinions all the time. Is it fucking boring, Lizz.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 08:06:06 PM
Iíll try not to contribute to this thread for a bit then, honestly thought last night was interesting but Iím clearly flogging a dead horse and doing peoples heads in and Iíve been on here far too long to want to be Milky.

If you think my motivations are anything other than wanting the best for Everton fc then Iíve wasted a great deal of time on here.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on December 06, 2018, 08:08:07 PM
One particular criticism of Gomes last night is that it opened up for him a few times to get a shot off but he neglected to have a pop, or even get his head up to note the opportunity. It didn't look like it even entered his thinking, or any of our players for that matter, that in a tight game with a five man defence an effort from outside the box might be a decent way to force the issue and make something happen.

We're really poor in general at this and only really have an rare worldie from Sig to show for it whereas we need to be varying our efforts at goal, if we don't have a natural goalscorer in the team.   
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on December 06, 2018, 08:27:53 PM
Iíll try not to contribute to this thread for a bit then, honestly thought last night was interesting but Iím clearly flogging a dead horse and doing peoples heads in and Iíve been on here far too long to want to be Milky.

If you think my motivations are anything other than wanting the best for Everton fc then Iíve wasted a great deal of time on here.
Think you're on the money with him, to be honest.

We haven't had a player like him for a while now, and we've desperately needed somebody who can pass the ball, so he's a breath of fresh air. But like fuck would I pay £40m+ for him.

Right now at least anyway.  He's outrageously talented, so there's a lot of room for improvement.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 06, 2018, 08:37:03 PM
As you say:

"we've desperately needed somebody who can pass the ball, so he's a breath of fresh air."
"He's outrageously talented"

Whether it costs the equivalent of us losing Schneiderlin and Macarthy and one or two dead wooders, then fair enough, we should do it. Obviously we need to spend money on a striker, but if we can get Gomes, then it would be great business. The VAST majority of us like him, compared to what dross we have had/currently have, so hopefully they can clinch him, although I think there will be a lot of other "bigger" clubs in for him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on December 06, 2018, 08:38:04 PM
Iíll try not to contribute to this thread for a bit then, honestly thought last night was interesting but Iím clearly flogging a dead horse and doing peoples heads in and Iíve been on here far too long to want to be Milky.

If you think my motivations are anything other than wanting the best for Everton fc then Iíve wasted a great deal of time on here.

Nah, do what you want. It's just that you've made your opinion known, it seems like a lot of people disagree (including neutrals and opposition) but then you just keep reiterating the same thing over and over, and then you wait for us to have a bad game like last night, and then you're straight on the case YET again.

And then stuff like 'don't get me started on x'. This might be extremely rich coming from me, but how much weight do you think your opinion carries? That does come across as very self-important, like we all need to be waiting to hear what brap's thoughts are on a given player.

No doubt that you want the best for Everton. I can also be a bit arrogant and have been accused of loving the sound of my own voice, and I get called out on it sometimes. Fair enough. It won't stop me posting but I might slightly alter the tone of my comments and take it on board.

End of the day mate, we all know there are problems in the side. We're a few months into a new setup. What did you expect? If you'd said we'd be 6th having played Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea and the shite away, by the start of December, would any of us not have taken that? We're doing well. We've had a few setbacks, but it's going the right way, and no reason not to think we'll improve further in coming transfer windows.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 08:41:10 PM
Nah, do what you want. It's just that you've made your opinion known, it seems like a lot of people disagree (including neutrals and opposition) but then you just keep reiterating the same thing over and over, and then you wait for us to have a bad game like last night, and then you're straight on the case YET again.

And then stuff like 'don't get me started on x'. This might be extremely rich coming from me, but how much weight do you think your opinion carries? That does come across as very self-important, like we all need to be waiting to hear what brap's thoughts are on a given player.

No doubt that you want the best for Everton. I can also be a bit arrogant and have been accused of loving the sound of my own voice, and I get called out on it sometimes. Fair enough. It won't stop me posting but I might slightly alter the tone of my comments and take it on board.

End of the day mate, we all know there are problems in the side. We're a few months into a new setup. What did you expect? If you'd said we'd be 6th having played Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea and the shite away, by the start of December, would any of us not have taken that? We're doing well. We've had a few setbacks, but it's going the right way, and no reason not to think we'll improve further in coming transfer windows.


No worries I get it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 06, 2018, 09:14:22 PM
Wouldnít pay anything over 35mil from what Iíve seen so far.

Do really like him though and any issues in the midfield are with the two midfielders around him in Gana and Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on December 06, 2018, 09:31:57 PM
Iíll try not to contribute to this thread for a bit then, honestly thought last night was interesting but Iím clearly flogging a dead horse and doing peoples heads in and Iíve been on here far too long to want to be Milky.

If you think my motivations are anything other than wanting the best for Everton fc then Iíve wasted a great deal of time on here.

I generally agree with you too.

He's a pretty good player and one that we've needed, not a can't-miss player that we absolutely have to add to our midfield permanently.

Obviously, he has the raw tools to be something special but at some point before we consider buying him, he has to actually perform at that level, not just hint at the possibility of it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on December 06, 2018, 09:39:09 PM
Do really like him though and any issues in the midfield are with the two midfielders around him in Gana and Sigurdsson.

That's fair. Gana's limited passing certainly puts a burden on the other deep midfielder and Sigurdsson plays more like a forward than a playmaker.

For whatever it's worth, I thought the main mistake Silva made last night was starting Tosun, who's looked like an awkward fit with Sigurdsson all season. Our best form has come since we moved him out of the starting lineup for Richarlison (and Calvert-Lewin for a bit) and started using him as an attacking sub for when we're aggressively chasing a goal.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on December 06, 2018, 11:38:02 PM
The problem for me is goals and assists, and where will they come from. They're coming from Richarlison and Gylfi in sufficient numbers, but they're not coming from Bernard/Walcott/Tosun/DCL/Lookman at the moment. It'd be nice to see Gana and Gomes chip in with say 5 goals and a few assists per season as well. But too much pressure on the two who are doing it for us.

Is that just a case of keeping hard at work at combinations, and we'll start to see other people weighing in more, or do we need to alter our method, or replace some of the players? Hard to know at this stage.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on December 06, 2018, 11:56:26 PM
As you say:

"we've desperately needed somebody who can pass the ball, so he's a breath of fresh air."
"He's outrageously talented"

Whether it costs the equivalent of us losing Schneiderlin and Macarthy and one or two dead wooders, then fair enough, we should do it. Obviously we need to spend money on a striker, but if we can get Gomes, then it would be great business. The VAST majority of us like him, compared to what dross we have had/currently have, so hopefully they can clinch him, although I think there will be a lot of other "bigger" clubs in for him.
I think everyone - even brap and kramer - likes him. I don't think there's anyone here who wouldn't say he's one of the first on the teamsheet.

The main issue I've seen contested is just whether he's good value at what he's likely to cost. At the moment, I don't think he creates enough chances (or takes enough responsibility) to justify it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on December 07, 2018, 12:23:33 AM
I think we have an issue with a lack of productivity from the wings to be honest. Unless Richarlison plays out there they look good but don't create near enough. I think the centre is doing it's bit.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 07, 2018, 01:03:33 AM
As Lxxx said, he was constantly looking forward and playing balls which broke the Newcastle lines, only for our front men to screw up with their touch.

You wouldn't criticise the Hermes sorting office because their delivery men have left your parcel in the hedge. Again.
We wouldn't be creating much without him that's a cert..
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on December 07, 2018, 01:17:54 AM
I think we have an issue with a lack of productivity from the wings to be honest. Unless Richarlison plays out there they look good but don't create near enough. I think the centre is doing it's bit.
That's the thing Bernard looks skilful with no end product/panics at key times and Walcott is off form. Annoying but I don't think we can blame other players for deficiencies in other areas of the team.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on December 07, 2018, 03:18:41 AM
It's all pretty immaterial talking about whether he's worth x or y and whether we go all out to sign him at the moment. We've still 2/3 of the season left to assess his worth and whether he's what we need. Let's see how he looks after 30 games as it's probably going to run to the summer, I can't see any permanent movement on him in January. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on December 07, 2018, 03:38:13 AM
Hopefully bs, but stuff like this worries me!

Jurgen Klopp could break a longstanding 18 year truce by making Andre Gomes the first player since Abel Xavier in 2002 to trade Everton for Liverpool, according to a report today from football outlet The Wistle.

Gomes, who is currently on a season-long loan spell from Barcelona, has been in fine form since his move to Goodison and Klopp has apparently been highly impressed by his performances, especially during Sundayís Merseyside Derby.

Gomes, who is valued at £25m by parent club Barcelona, has no future at the Nou Camp upon the expiry of his loan and although making a switch to Everton permanent remains an option, Gomes is believed to be eyeing up a bigger challenge at one of the ĎTop 6 clubsí in the Premier League.

Arsenal are thought to be Liverpoolís main competition in any bid to sign the 25-year-old and remain in the better position purely because Gomes is reluctant to sour the relationship he has already developed with Everton fans by moving to their bitter rivals



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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 07, 2018, 03:51:27 AM
Think that "who is valued at £25m by parent club Barcelona" part makes the whole thing lazy/suspect.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gash on December 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
Think that "who is valued at £25m by parent club Barcelona" part makes the whole thing lazy/suspect.

Did they say that? I gave up reading at "according to a report today from football outlet The Wistle."
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 07, 2018, 04:35:38 AM
Think that "who is valued at £25m by parent club Barcelona" part makes the whole thing lazy/suspect.
Wether the Liverpool bit might be shit stirring or not Gomes hasn't gone un noticed by a long chalk and it would be a step back to lose him, hopefully he's being assured players will be brought in to turn his creativity and graft into goals, dis heartening for him at the moment it must be to see build up after build up result in nothing like first half last night,, don't think it's just want of a centre forward either.....
                   Saying that with the quality of the last window think we can have some faith things will be in hand to  address the shortfalls that still exist..
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 07, 2018, 04:40:57 AM
If we donít buy him brands will have somebody else just as good lined up.

Donít stress. Enjoy him while heís here and what happens, happens.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 07, 2018, 05:02:47 AM
If we donít buy him brands will have somebody else just as good lined up.

Donít stress. Enjoy him while heís here and what happens, happens.

Really looking forward to January you know. Reckon thereís going to be a few mad signings.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on December 07, 2018, 05:09:42 AM
Really looking forward to January you know. Reckon there's going to be a few mad signings.
Yes, and the beauty about it is that no one will know anything about them till there done.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 07, 2018, 03:02:21 PM
I think Jan is going to be quite quiet you know.One or two out maybe.

If one of them are Tosun, then i think we'd be bringing someone in.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 07, 2018, 03:08:04 PM
Really looking forward to January you know. Reckon thereís going to be a few mad signings.

Murmmerings of Josef Martinez.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 07, 2018, 03:17:19 PM
Murmmerings of Josef Martinez.



Saw that yeah, followed up by him stating heíll Ďstay as long as they need himí aka ĎIím outta this bishí

Very hard to judge isnít it but when Iíve watched him, literally one time, he was a pacey goal machine.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on December 07, 2018, 04:04:28 PM
Be a few outgoings in January I reckon, we don't really need much do we, striker would be nice but it's won't be the end of the world if we don't sign anyone. Hopefully be on the phone to Barca to sort a deal for Gomes
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on December 07, 2018, 04:10:41 PM
Be a few outgoings in January I reckon, we don't really need much do we, striker would be nice but it's won't be the end of the world if we don't sign anyone. Hopefully be on the phone to Barca to sort a deal for Gomes

Its difficult to say what we need, we're playing well but if we want to progress I think we need a new right winger, secure Gomes, a couple of strikers and sign up Zouma or get another CB. Its not all going to happen in Jan, but those would be the areas id focus on
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on December 07, 2018, 04:14:52 PM
Its difficult to say what we need, we're playing well but if we want to progress I think we need a new right winger, secure Gomes, a couple of strikers and sign up Zouma or get another CB. Its not all going to happen in Jan, but those would be the areas id focus on

Zouma has already said he will be returning to Chelsea in the summer
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on December 07, 2018, 04:17:03 PM
I don't think Zouma is worth going all out for anyway. Keane and Mina look a decent partnership and I'd be amazed if Brands can't find someone else for less than what Chelsea would want for him. He's also had a very bad injury and I'm not overly convinced he'll still be playing a high level, with pace, for long enough to justify the outlay.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on December 07, 2018, 04:44:48 PM
I don't think Zouma is worth going all out for anyway. Keane and Mina look a decent partnership and I'd be amazed if Brands can't find someone else for less than what Chelsea would want for him. He's also had a very bad injury and I'm not overly convinced he'll still be playing a high level, with pace, for long enough to justify the outlay.

Certainly think he's quick enough ...twice the other night he caught Atsu who's no slouch and dealt with him quite easily ....his defendeing is sound and he can also move forward with a ball ....think he would be a good buy myself .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hawkandro on December 07, 2018, 04:59:24 PM
I don't think Zouma is worth going all out for anyway. Keane and Mina look a decent partnership and I'd be amazed if Brands can't find someone else for less than what Chelsea would want for him. He's also had a very bad injury and I'm not overly convinced he'll still be playing a high level, with pace, for long enough to justify the outlay.

Christensen is rumoured to be on the out at Chelsea, so could aim for him, although Barcelona are rumoured to be sniffing.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on December 07, 2018, 05:04:12 PM
I don't think it's as binary as Gomes is either the most complete midfielder since Arteta or not progressive enough.

I love him, think he's a fantastic footballer and a joy to watch - but also agree with @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666)

I would just change the wording slightly from 'he should be more progressive' to 'we are not progressive enough as a team and so I am looking to players of great footballing ability, such as Gomes and bernard, to produce more for the team in this area'.

Is Gomes awesome? Yes.
Are we progressive? No.
Can Gomes do more for us in this area? We hope so.

I would pay up to £60M for him but it's probably that kind of accounting that got me declared bankrupt.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: youngysenior on December 07, 2018, 05:12:38 PM
I generally agree with you too.

He's a pretty good player and one that we've needed, not a can't-miss player that we absolutely have to add to our midfield permanently.

Obviously, he has the raw tools to be something special but at some point before we consider buying him, he has to actually perform at that level, not just hint at the possibility of it.
What do you mean "raw tools"? The guy is absolute!! quality compared to those around him.

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on December 07, 2018, 05:51:48 PM
Need a right back, Coleman is on the decline and I donít think we can gamble on him turning his form around, heís going to start costing us points if heís not replaced
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on December 07, 2018, 06:19:40 PM
Need a right back, Coleman is on the decline and I donít think we can gamble on him turning his form around, heís going to start costing us points if heís not replaced

He had a mare going forward the other night ....his defensive is still as good but he's not even trying to bomb on anymore or look for the pass that let's the winger get in behind ...too comfortable with only Kenny pushing him .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: formerKHL on December 07, 2018, 06:53:06 PM
Gomez is absolute class....pay the money get the deal done...end of...

this "not progressive" argument falls flat on it's face for me....many times the other night he looked for the forward pass which wasn't on because Tosun isn't clever enough to make the creative run...so Gomes had to turn out and start again....when richarlison went upfront...quite frankly IMO he didn't wanna know...so again gomes looked for him but had to turn out....it was only better for the short time when Calvert Lewin came on...his movement gave Gomes the opportunity to play the ball he looked like he wanted to play.....


You can only play "progressive" passes if the players in front are you are capable......the progressive pass for me is the ball forward into space that creates a chance.....we haven't got the CF for that yet....


My other issue with this "not progressive" nonsense is simply we dont have the third man running that "progressive" football requires....siggurdson was well of it the other night....lookman was making runs and "drifting" inside and taking up the space for this to happen.....


like i said....pay the money get the deal done...end of...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on December 07, 2018, 06:53:33 PM
He's lost a bit defensively for me as well.

Got done by a simple shift to the side for that goal the other night.

Get the Wan-Bissaka fella in.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: formerKHL on December 07, 2018, 06:57:13 PM
he cant be "progressive2 if he's defending ?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 07, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
he cant be "progressive2 if he's defending ?

Think he means Coleman there, champ.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Alanvideo on December 07, 2018, 07:24:48 PM
He had a mare going forward the other night ....his defensive is still as good but he's not even trying to bomb on anymore or look for the pass that let's the winger get in behind ...too comfortable with only Kenny pushing him .
................Coleman has been  too predictable going down the right and not just this season. I like Kenny but his all round game is not really any better than Coleman at the moment. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: formerKHL on December 07, 2018, 07:29:07 PM
Think he means Coleman there, champ.


DOH!! didn't read it properly..what a numpty
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Polledreng on December 07, 2018, 07:35:54 PM
What do you mean "raw tools"? The guy is absolute!! quality compared to those around him.

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his stats mutch be lousy. Not sure Kramer looks at the game or just look at the stats After the game  ;)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 07, 2018, 07:37:34 PM
even on his current form, Cap'n Coleman >> Kenny.

Deffo open to the idea of pulling a right-sided version of the Digne upgrade this summer, though.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: formerKHL on December 07, 2018, 07:54:23 PM
nowt wrong with coleman...people have short memories it appears.....year out with leg break ?...

he maybe now feels in the team set up he doesn't need to "bomb forward" as much with Walcott/lookman DCL etc up ahead of him....someone mentioned in an earlier post how lookman was taking his space and having to move inside and then basically went onto suggest it was colemans fault..?...the other night Newcastle were obviously looking and waiting to hit us on the break...the only time they managed that was when he "bombed forward"......maybe jusyt maybe he's now old enough to realise he doesn't need to.....
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on December 07, 2018, 11:03:21 PM
nowt wrong with coleman...people have short memories it appears.....year out with leg break ?...

he maybe now feels in the team set up he doesn't need to "bomb forward" as much with Walcott/lookman DCL etc up ahead of him....someone mentioned in an earlier post how lookman was taking his space and having to move inside and then basically went onto suggest it was colemans fault..?...the other night Newcastle were obviously looking and waiting to hit us on the break...the only time they managed that was when he "bombed forward"......maybe jusyt maybe he's now old enough to realise he doesn't need to.....

He does need to, thatís the whole point. The modern full back has to have the energy to get up and down, itís no longer good enough to just be decent defensively.

Itís not his fault, age and injury have caught up with him, it seems. Unless something changes in what remains of the season and he recovers then itís time for a change. Itís worked on the other side with Digne and Baines, great servants but they have all have a shelf life, some earlier than others due to injury and position.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on December 08, 2018, 12:34:52 AM
he cant be "progressive2 if he's defending ?

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on December 08, 2018, 12:42:18 AM
Coleman hasnít looked like his old impenetrable self at the back either.

He used to cut out most crosses (which even Baines didnít do in his heyday) as well as get up and down like a racehourse, but now heís making a fair few mistimed challenges as well, which he also used to be solid on. 

Heís amazing, and one of my favourite ever Everton players, but since his return he hasnít convinced going forward or made me feel comfortable when heís defending.

Iím hoping for a strong return to form from him, but I wouldnít be surprised if this was the start of his decline.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 08, 2018, 01:22:21 AM
Aye I remember when I got called all sorts for saying we should look at a long term replacement for the wee man.

One of my favourite Everton players of the last 20 years easily. But it is what it is.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on December 08, 2018, 01:35:22 AM
Aye I remember when I got called all sorts for saying we should look at a long term replacement for the wee man.

One of my favourite Everton players of the last 20 years easily. But it is what it is.
Don't mind admitting I thought you were knee jerking at the time but to be fair from what I've seen spot on with that one. We 'll agree to disagree on our sexy midfielder though !
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 08, 2018, 01:50:56 AM
Don't mind admitting I thought you were knee jerking at the time but to be fair from what I've seen spot on with that one. We 'll agree to disagree on our sexy midfielder though !

I still could be wrong, hopefully I am! One of the leagues best over the last decade.

My opinion is the games moved a bit and now kids have come through in he Coleman mould rather than being a rare jewel. Plus a bad injury and his lack of like early formal football training.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on December 08, 2018, 01:51:44 AM
Aye I remember when I got called all sorts for saying we should look at a long term replacement for the wee man.

One of my favourite Everton players of the last 20 years easily. But it is what it is.

I was very much (grudgingly) with you at the time.

Still hope to be proved emphatically wrong, but injury and age are cruel to players whose main asset is their athleticism.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 08, 2018, 02:04:31 AM
Pretty hard for Seamus to predict what's going to happen down the right at the moment, may contribute to him looking hesitant at times, if he knew he had reliable cover coming back from up top when he wants to maraude  he might do it more..
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on December 08, 2018, 02:23:51 AM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1071121351874875392
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on December 08, 2018, 02:26:29 AM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1071121351874875392
Massive fan of this
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheTone on December 08, 2018, 02:38:13 AM
Kin hell, big yerry must be 7 foot tall
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on December 08, 2018, 02:49:02 AM
I fucking love Yerry 💙
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on December 08, 2018, 03:12:07 AM
Mina for captain, love the spirit and desire of this lad, I can already tell he gets the club.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 08, 2018, 03:36:16 AM
Even though Mina has been demonstrably wobbly, I really like him and think heís a CL level CB.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 08, 2018, 07:18:58 AM
Even though Mina has been demonstrably wobbly, I really like him and think heís a CL level CB.
Thought he'd settled in really well, most of the team had a little wobble the other night, was great against them sunday, thought it didn't work with him and Zouma as well as him and Keane have gelled but was the first time together, "demonstrably wobbly" are you getting mixed up with Williams?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 08, 2018, 06:10:08 PM
Williams was genuinely fucking horseshit.

All I mean is that in adapting to the league heís had a few like, minor wobbles. Despite that I really like the look of him and I think heís got a lot of potential.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on December 08, 2018, 06:59:47 PM
Williams was genuinely fucking horseshit.

All I mean is that in adapting to the league heís had a few like, minor wobbles. Despite that I really like the look of him and I think heís got a lot of potential.

Has he? Genuinely can't think of any
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 08, 2018, 07:10:02 PM
Heís really slow like.

I do like him but he can get exposed.

Iíd prefer to have big Kurt alongside him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Free Agent on December 08, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
Can we work on our corners please.  Thereís no way to stop Yerry scoring if we get the delivery right.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on December 08, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
This thread is proper confusing to be fair. It's. A Homes thread and the topics weave between him, Mina and Coleman without any explination unless you read back the posts that are quoted!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 09, 2018, 02:04:22 AM
I thought the side in general is not progressive enough yeah. Bad at breaking down a low block and relying on smashing crosses in.

He's our main cm tasked with driving forward and setting up attacks.

I think he'll work well in a counter attacking side but when we're dominating the ball at home, it's a war of attrition. Could just as easily be in the silva tactics thread.

I honestly feel last nights game is interesting viewed through the prism of the convo you started actually - he's tasty but is he progressive enough with the ball?

Going to be honest, the thing that's followed him around his career so far is that he flatters to deceive. I think it's a BIT unfair, but if we're talking about spending big money on a peak age CM...what do you need him to do in this side?

There were 4 players playing more advanced than Gomes, thatís not really his role. Iím guessing youíve never played CM.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on December 12, 2018, 05:54:27 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-given-hope-andre-gomes-15538853

Sorry about the source ....but it's allegedly him saying he's happy....
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 12, 2018, 06:16:38 PM
Good read that. :)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2018, 05:52:33 PM
I love the song 'Belter' by Gerry Cinnamon. And there is now a song to that for Gomes. This makes me so fucking happy.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 16, 2018, 06:22:51 PM
Being reported that we can pay 70mil for Ndombele but if it doesnít come off weíll get Gomes.

Whoís the other guy?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 22, 2018, 04:30:01 PM
*swoon*

https://twitter.com/EITC/status/1076419691999043585
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on December 22, 2018, 04:45:53 PM
We're basically pimping him out aren't we?

How long before he's willing to throw in a happy ending?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on December 22, 2018, 04:47:21 PM
Wankathon
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KevtheRat on December 23, 2018, 03:05:42 AM
£10 a hug, for a great charity. Great chance for my 7 year old to meet one of his favourite players this season.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2018, 03:19:48 AM
We're basically pimping him out aren't we?

How long before he's willing to throw in a happy ending?
I'd be front of the queue
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Simon Paul on December 23, 2018, 03:22:17 AM
I'd be front of the queue
Behind me and Ballg
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2018, 03:23:14 AM
Behind me and Ballg
I'll take yous both or one at a time
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Simon Paul on December 23, 2018, 03:30:48 AM
I'll take yous both or one at a time
Andre is getting us both at the same time, so that's how you fight for his delightful arms wrapped around you.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on December 24, 2018, 04:48:55 PM
Any news on his injury?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on December 24, 2018, 05:43:16 PM
Any news on his injury?

Sources are telling me he's got a nasty case of "I want Xmas offitus". Unfortunately there isn't a cure
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Free Agent on December 24, 2018, 05:44:31 PM
Exhaustion from over hugging  :hug:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on December 24, 2018, 08:32:25 PM
Sources are telling me he's got a nasty case of "I want Xmas offitus". Unfortunately there isn't a cure

Mustíve caught it off Dunc
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 24, 2018, 08:41:12 PM
Been shite for the last few games anyway.

Thankless task though at times.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on December 24, 2018, 09:01:35 PM
Been shite for the last few games anyway.

Thankless task though at times.

If I was him I wouldnít be certain on signing permanently
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: School of Science on December 24, 2018, 10:47:13 PM
Been shite for the last few games anyway.

Thankless task though at times.

Yes thought he'd been off his game the last few, coincided with Gana being missing, probably just a coincidence.  ::)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on December 25, 2018, 01:45:49 AM
The whole teams been shite to be fair
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 25, 2018, 02:18:05 AM
If I was him I wouldnít be certain on signing permanently
critical few weeks, no use Brands getting good players if we make cunts out of them.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 25, 2018, 04:53:41 AM
The only ineffective game heís had was the Spurs game, no need to exaggerate.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: boothill on December 25, 2018, 05:08:28 AM
I dont think he gives us much when he hasnt got the ball,  and saying that,  he only has 1 assist up to now,  my jury is still out on him

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GoodisonPk on December 25, 2018, 05:05:36 PM
I dont think he gives us much when he hasnt got the ball,  and saying that,  he only has 1 assist up to now,  my jury is still out on him

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Jury is out? Do you really think we will get anything close to him or better? We will be lucky if he signs.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 25, 2018, 05:10:34 PM
Jury is out? Do you really think we will get anything close to him or better? We will be lucky if he signs.

Loads of players out there who are better than him.

Weíve gone massively over the top as usual here.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Confucius on December 26, 2018, 01:41:29 PM
He is no good if he doesnít have a Gana type next to him. Same for Portugal.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on December 26, 2018, 06:27:25 PM
He is no good if he doesnít have a Gana type next to him. Same for Portugal.

For Portugal heís usually got big willy carvalho next to him.

For us Iíd say heís actually doing the carvalho stuff more than anyone else, maybe we need a natural 6 and let him concentrate on dribbling and trying stuff, if he can.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: School of Science on December 26, 2018, 06:33:43 PM
Brilliant player,  at times I believe we just don't deserve nice things, he can tackle but does need a ball winner next to him, a Barkley type player who is simply better than Barkley. Jesus one poor game. I would make him along with a striker a priority signing.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on December 26, 2018, 08:21:40 PM
If I was him I wouldnít be certain on signing permanently

Why would you though really, if you were him? Weíre an average team currently languishing in mid table not really showing any indications that weíre on the right track to challenge the top 6.

Itíll probably be a nice enjoyable year for him in terms of playing some regular football again before concentrating on his career in the summer.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on December 26, 2018, 08:23:20 PM
Why would you though really, if you were him? Weíre an average team currently languishing in mid table not really showing any indications that weíre on the right track to challenge the top 6.

Itíll probably be a nice enjoyable year for him in terms of playing some regular football again before concentrating on his career in the summer.

Yeah, thatís kinda what I was grudgingly hinting at
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on December 27, 2018, 02:06:15 AM
Had an off day today nowt seemed to come off for him ...still think he's fallen for us in a big way.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on December 27, 2018, 03:44:16 AM
He's been average for last 2 game's, so let's him off eh
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on December 27, 2018, 09:06:54 AM
He was the man today
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on December 27, 2018, 01:00:31 PM
We shouldn't put ourselves down and I think Gomes is perfectly suited for our level and where we want to go. He needs to be the main man in the centre and the other sides already have that sort of player.

Without players of the calibre and consistency of Gomes, we will never be in and around the top 6.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 27, 2018, 06:18:15 PM
We shouldn't put ourselves down and I think Gomes is perfectly suited for our level and where we want to go. He needs to be the main man in the centre and the other sides already have that sort of player.

Without players of the calibre and consistency of Gomes, we will never be in and around the top 6.

The problem is players donít often know what they need. I honestly donít believe players sign for top teams to sit on their bench and pick up big money. They sign because they believe they will do enough to get themselves in the team even if pretty much everyone else can see theyíve no chance. If a top side comes in for him his head will be turned even though it could possibly see him not playing again
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 27, 2018, 06:24:26 PM
The problem is players donít often know what they need. I honestly donít believe players sign for top teams to sit on their bench and pick up big money. They sign because they believe they will do enough to get themselves in the team even if pretty much everyone else can see theyíve no chance. If a top side comes in for him his head will be turned even though it could possibly see him not playing again

I think players would still weigh the pros and cons recognising they may not play as often. For instance would you rather play 40 games a season for Leicester or 15-20 for Man City - bearing in mind everything else that gets factored in beyond game time e.g. trophies, money, respect, environment, coaching quality etc.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 27, 2018, 06:32:49 PM
The problem is players don't often know what they need. I honestly don't believe players sign for top teams to sit on their bench and pick up big money. They sign because they believe they will do enough to get themselves in the team even if pretty much everyone else can see they've no chance. If a top side comes in for him his head will be turned even though it could possibly see him not playing again
You have to have that belief or what's the point.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on December 27, 2018, 06:53:43 PM
We shouldn't put ourselves down and I think Gomes is perfectly suited for our level and where we want to go. He needs to be the main man in the centre and the other sides already have that sort of player.

Without players of the calibre and consistency of Gomes, we will never be in and around the top 6.

It's not about putting ourselves down it's about acknowledging where we are in the footballing order. Players like Gomes have come here to regain their love for playing regular football again I imagine, same with Digne, and to assist with them getting back up to the level that they have sampled previously. If that's helping us get there great, if not then they'll likely move on, if they get the chance.

The challenge for Silva and Brands is to build something to make them stay but if they leave it isn't a big deal, we still have to develop a business model which consists of sustainable squad building so picking up regular loans like Gomes and buying and selling players like Richarlison at a profit is the way forward.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on January 05, 2019, 03:23:51 AM
Canít be arsed to read back, but the wretched Daily Express is saying weíve been offered the chance to buy Gomes this month for £22m (Iím not posting the link to such a right-wing rag)
Title: Re: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on January 05, 2019, 03:47:47 AM
Canít be arsed to read back, but the wretched Daily Express is saying weíve been offered the chance to buy Gomes this month for £22m (Iím not posting the link to such a right-wing rag)
Bargain if so  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on January 05, 2019, 06:46:15 AM
Twitter saying Barca want us to take Gomes for 22.5m.

Even as not his biggest fan Iíd take that.

Also interested in Denis Suarez? Young, little but creative from the middle or out wide.

Also something weird about benfica want silva and we want zivkovic off them.
Title: Re: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 05, 2019, 01:01:24 PM
Twitter saying Barca want us to take Gomes for 22.5m.

Even as not his biggest fan Iíd take that.

Also interested in Denis Suarez? Young, little but creative from the middle or out wide.

Also something weird about benfica want silva and we want zivkovic off them.


Iíd be happy with Gomes at 20m ish. Not his biggest fan either but heís still a talented player for whatís a pretty low fee
Title: Re: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on January 05, 2019, 01:33:12 PM
Gomes for 20 million is a no brainer. Suarez is a good player wouldnt hate that
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on January 05, 2019, 03:01:50 PM
£22.5m? Write the cheque
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 05, 2019, 05:05:27 PM
Suarez to arsenal apparently so there's one rumour seemingly over
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on January 05, 2019, 05:07:54 PM
Yeah youíve got to snap him up at that price.

Think heís the first cog in the machine for a new silva midfield.

Get the right players around him and he could be a very good player.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on January 05, 2019, 05:10:27 PM
That's the key: he's the right player but needs the right players around him
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 24, 2019, 05:36:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1088391214519537664
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 24, 2019, 05:37:08 PM
click on it, there is a VIDEO :love:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on January 24, 2019, 05:50:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1088391214519537664

Absolutely fantastic, over 100k raised now for The People's Place
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on January 24, 2019, 10:08:58 PM
More reason to spend that much on Gomes than the amount we spent on Mina.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mouse on January 24, 2019, 10:54:19 PM
click on it, there is a VIDEO :love:
Ahhh, that brightened a miserable January afternoon! There is no end to this man's gorgeousness. Hope he stays and becomes the player we dream he is.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on January 24, 2019, 11:10:01 PM
In for a pound with hugs all round

Love Like A Man, Andre
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on January 24, 2019, 11:48:52 PM
Youíd all want him out the team if he wasnít a dreamboat.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on January 24, 2019, 11:51:34 PM
I don't fancy him anymore
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on January 24, 2019, 11:53:32 PM
Form comes and goes ...class stays forever .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on January 24, 2019, 11:53:40 PM
He does seem lovely like, and he is very handsome.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on January 24, 2019, 11:55:28 PM
This is the beauty of a loan eh? You judge him over an extended period of time, up close, and see how he handles tougher periods in the season, on and off the pitch. If he doesn't prove to be good enough, sound.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on January 25, 2019, 12:19:17 AM
Heíll be fine.

Never played over the winter before so the games will have taken their toll, especially after months without playing anyway including no pre-season.

A class player and once the games even out weíll see that again.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on January 25, 2019, 12:23:44 AM
Heíll be fine.

Never played over the winter before so the games will have taken their toll, especially after months without playing anyway including no pre-season.

A class player and once the games even out weíll see that again.

Thatíll be it mate.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on January 25, 2019, 12:25:44 AM
Thatíll be it mate.
Letís see

Loser posts on GOT all of next season
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on January 25, 2019, 12:29:00 AM
Letís see

Loser posts on GOT all of next season

Iíll let you choose my username.

In all seriousness, he did genuinely do some good things at first and I think heís capable of more - particularly dribbling, but heís fell off a cliff a bit. If he can get back to his original form Iíd be happy with him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on January 25, 2019, 12:41:57 AM
He's definitely a much better player than he's been showing
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on January 25, 2019, 12:44:00 AM
Still up for boxing him off for 20mil.

Anything more than that makes me a bit wheezy
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 25, 2019, 02:00:48 AM
I think his drop in form is mainly due to fatigue as I don't think he's ever played so many games in a short period of time as he has with us of late. He's class and you don't lose that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 25, 2019, 02:07:20 AM
Think his drop in form is more to do with the manager being stuck on how to try to accomodate and not rotate, Gomes is a class player hope we keep him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 25, 2019, 03:13:34 AM
If he turns out to be shite we'll just use him as the face of a range of Everton aftershaves.

Recoup the £20m in no time.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 16, 2019, 09:56:14 PM
Talk of a permanent deal on twitter.

25m okay, 25.01m no thank you.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on February 16, 2019, 11:05:27 PM
Talk of a permanent deal on twitter.

25m okay, 25.01m no thank you.

If Gomes, Davies, and Vlasic were the only ones kept in a summer midfield revamp Iíd be happy
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on February 16, 2019, 11:50:21 PM
Few places saying he's happy and settled here and Barca want a deal ... it's happening ....he's were she should be heading, a touch of pure class about him .

Although one man doesn't make a midfield .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on February 16, 2019, 11:52:01 PM
Still not sure if heís actually any good.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 16, 2019, 11:52:04 PM
Dont think hes been anywhere near good enough since the turn of the year. Needs to improve next season if he stays in my opinion.

Hes dead handsome and looks like he smells lovely so hes worth 25 million.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheTone on February 17, 2019, 12:02:18 AM
Forms dropped off a cliff but to be fair other teams have splashed out big on midfielders and they have struggled in this league, e.g. Fred and Fabinho, I'm all in for 20-25m
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 17, 2019, 12:39:33 AM
Forms dropped off a cliff but to be fair other teams have splashed out big on midfielders and they have struggled in this league, e.g. Fred and Fabinho, I'm all in for 20-25m

I'd rather Fred you know
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 17, 2019, 12:56:06 AM
Gomes has had to defend his fucking arse off instead of creating as much as he'd probably like, making up for the shite and the idle, instant deterioration in mid field after the bizarre sub against Watford...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 17, 2019, 01:32:37 AM
Id sign him, think his role is under estimated
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 17, 2019, 01:44:07 AM
He's taken several for the team...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on February 17, 2019, 01:49:03 AM
He's the best footballer in the squad and for that reason alone we should keep him

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on February 17, 2019, 02:10:21 AM
He's shit
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on February 17, 2019, 02:20:04 AM
People need to remember he had no pre-season, came I to a new league and played a lot of games in a team who as a whole have fallen off a cliff performance wise, lack confidence and identity.  Without him We're a much worse team and we should do everything we can to keep him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 17, 2019, 02:26:49 AM
He has good moments for sure. Not a huge fan of midfielders going awol but at least when in poor form he still shows for the ball.

I think when building a proper squad players like this guy are vital. I think heís a bit of a steal at £25m considering the market.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on February 17, 2019, 02:28:26 AM
People need to remember he had no pre-season, came I to a new league and played a lot of games in a team who as a whole have fallen off a cliff performance wise, lack confidence and identity.  Without him We're a much worse team and we should do everything we can to keep him.
Yep, we're talking about a player that would apparently cost less than Bolasie and has shown glimpses of what he's capable of, which is quality, and people are saying we should pass it up like we've got Messi waiting in the sidelines. If we want to progress we need more players like Gomez and if I could swap Gueye for him in terms of transfer fee id do it in a heartbeat

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on February 17, 2019, 02:32:58 AM
Yep, we're talking about a player that would apparently cost less than Bolasie and has shown glimpses of what he's capable of, which is quality, and people are saying we should pass it up like we've got Messi waiting in the sidelines. If we want to progress we need more players like Gomez and if I could swap Gueye for him in terms of transfer fee id do it in a heartbeat

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You know what this is spot on. If its 25m bite their hands off.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 17, 2019, 03:34:34 AM
would cost half a Sigg..no brainer
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 17, 2019, 03:39:59 AM
25 Eric cantonas
416 Colemans

Itís a bit daft picking 1 of our shocking signings and comparing the value
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on February 17, 2019, 03:43:55 AM
25 Eric cantonas
416 Colemans

Itís a bit daft picking 1 of our shocking signings and comparing the value


Brett Angel is a shocking signing.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 17, 2019, 03:50:34 AM
your'e right of course there is no comparison sorry.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on February 17, 2019, 03:52:39 AM
25 Eric cantonas
416 Colemans

It's a bit daft picking 1 of our shocking signings and comparing the value
You're right to some extent, but it was a reality check. Personally I don't worry about the cost, I'm worried about getting the best players we can, and I think he's at the higher end of what we can attract, so we should be trying to get him, imo

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: ajax_andy on February 17, 2019, 04:08:06 AM
Shown glimpses of what he is capable of in his first season in the premier league, definitely enough to warrant purchasing at that kind of price.  Can only get better as he gets fitter, plays a full pre-season and continues to adapt to the league... I think he'll go on to be an absolute hero here, Arteta levels IMO, he has the potential to be that good if everything clicks in to place.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 17, 2019, 04:16:42 AM
He's been OK, when you balance out his good stuff (that people overrated) and his bad stuff, he's been OK and I'd be more than happy to have him at the club going forward.

Being romantic, he COULD be even better than he has been which would be genuinely good, but we really need to support him with 2 new good quality CM's with different profiles.

A two way DM who can destroy and move up the pitch and pass a bit, and a creative player who can dribble, create and score from CM.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 17, 2019, 04:38:48 AM
He'll be truly humbled.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: ally2 on February 17, 2019, 05:30:22 AM
Gomes is class. Don't know why there's even remotely a debate about wanting to keep him. I know he can be a bit flaky but there are genuine reasons why that might be so.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on February 17, 2019, 06:22:12 AM
25 Eric cantonas
416 Colemans

Itís a bit daft picking 1 of our shocking signings and comparing the value

It's not, is it. It's taking the market as it currently stands into account when determining whether a figure represents value for money. Picking players from 10 and (nearly) 30 years ago and their transfer fees, not to mention pedigree is "a bit daft" when trying to emphasise a point, though. But then, hyperbole.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 17, 2019, 02:09:54 PM
It's not, is it. It's taking the market as it currently stands into account when determining whether a figure represents value for money. Picking players from 10 and (nearly) 30 years ago and their transfer fees, not to mention pedigree is "a bit daft" when trying to emphasise a point, though. But then, hyperbole.

The market doesnít currently stand there. We wouldnít get 45m for sigurdsson cos we overpaid. So yes it is nonsense. Gomes at 25m or infinite Bernards?

Look at 25m Gomes would be a decent signing. Comparing him to bad signings to prove that is nonsense though
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on February 17, 2019, 02:27:25 PM
The market doesnít currently stand there. We wouldnít get 45m for sigurdsson cos we overpaid. So yes it is nonsense. Gomes at 25m or infinite Bernards?

Look at 25m Gomes would be a decent signing. Comparing him to bad signings to prove that is nonsense though

Is Sigurdsson a bad signing or is he just overpriced? Because there is a difference
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on February 17, 2019, 04:00:17 PM
Is Sigurdsson a bad signing or is he just overpriced? Because there is a difference

Heís certainly a bad signing for the price we paid.

Heís arguably a bad signing as he was the wrong type of player that we needed at the time.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 17, 2019, 05:33:19 PM
The pursuit of Sigg was mental, took up so much time,energy and money when other things were more important, no lesson learned though as the Silva chase was equally puzzling.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: boothill on February 17, 2019, 05:47:41 PM
would cost half a Sigg..no brainer

gylfi offers x10 more though
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: boothill on February 17, 2019, 05:53:08 PM
gylfi is getting targeted because of the price tag, he didnt put his value at 45 million. the whole team is playing shite apart from a few. without gylfi this season we would be in relegation zone, or very near to it. produces a lot more for the team than gomes does by a country mile.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 17, 2019, 05:54:13 PM
gylfi offers x10 more though
Not for me mate Siggs an ornament compared to Gomes, it's all about opinions and we all see different things in players and matches, it's why the games so popular, although no fun for us at the mo.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: boothill on February 17, 2019, 05:59:15 PM
Not for me mate Siggs an ornament compared to Gomes, it's all about opinions and we all see different things in players and matches, it's why the games so popular, although no fun for us at the mo.

i dont get where you're coming from,ive watched gomes and really wanted him to perform, but apart from a few pieces of skill/class hes disapointed me, but maybe thats more to do with the system they are being forced to play. but youre right in that its all about opinions bud
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: boothill on February 17, 2019, 06:03:32 PM
Is Sigurdsson a bad signing or is he just overpriced? Because there is a difference

he was overpriced by 10/15 million, but that was our clubs fault pursuing him has they did and making it so public.
i really rate him as a player
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 17, 2019, 06:03:54 PM
Is Sigurdsson a bad signing or is he just overpriced? Because there is a difference

Same thing for me. The price (and I guess the contracts) dictate the quality of a signing. Sigurdsson is a good player. Heís not suitable for a good side though (which we have ambitions to be) he was also poor value for money

Iíve nothing against him. Heís decent enough but his signing in terms of cost of suitability was ridiculous.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 17, 2019, 06:18:41 PM
i dont get where you're coming from,ive watched gomes and really wanted him to perform, but apart from a few pieces of skill/class hes disapointed me, but maybe thats more to do with the system they are being forced to play. but youre right in that its all about opinions bud
Think Gomes has been in a more defensive roll lately and doing a pretty selfless job helping out, i don't see it as his form dropping off, just a case of needs must, would prefer to have others to do it and him in a more creative roll but we have a few passengers at the moment and he's kept grafting.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 17, 2019, 07:23:31 PM
Not for me mate Siggs an ornament compared to Gomes, it's all about opinions and we all see different things in players and matches, it's why the games so popular, although no fun for us at the mo.
Mate im not Sigurddsons biggest fan, but Gomes has 1 goal and 1 assist this year compared to the 9 goals 3 assists of Sigurddson.

I dread to think where we woul be without him this year.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 17, 2019, 07:29:35 PM
Comparing sigurdsson to gomes is like comparing an apple to a twig
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 17, 2019, 09:14:18 PM
Comparing sigurdsson to gomes is like comparing an apple to a twig
Not in terms of usefulness no it's not obviously
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 17, 2019, 09:20:33 PM
Mate im not Sigurddsons biggest fan, but Gomes has 1 goal and 1 assist this year compared to the 9 goals 3 assists of Sigurddson.

I dread to think where we woul be without him this year.
I don't dislike him he always puts the effort in, he's nowhere near any sort of upgrade though on what we had, and we spent way too much on him, 3 managers have yet to find an effective roll for him though granted all 3 managers have been cabbages tactically, so maybe the right manager can put an average player to good use, but only Moyes was good at that and according to some on here he was a wanker, so maybe we are getting what we deserve.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: boothill on February 17, 2019, 11:29:49 PM
Comparing sigurdsson to gomes is like comparing an apple to a twig

im robbing this jim
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: di_guyo on February 18, 2019, 07:37:54 PM
I think Gomes has been a bit underwhelming. First few games he was class, but he's kinda of lowered to the rest. I'm unconvinced. He looked like he'd really spur us on an dictate play but I'm not seeing that as much now. Was he hungrier to make a point on arrival? Is it the style of play? Does he need longer to adjust? Whatever it is, any potential fee, which we know will be well north of 20/25 is increasingly seeming more and more expensive. After the first few I felt we had to do everything within our power to bring him here, now I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on February 19, 2019, 02:45:12 AM
Arrived from Barcelona and was great - even though he was miles off fitness.

Been here a while now, been coached and trained by Silva and his crew.

The results of this are plain to see.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on February 19, 2019, 01:00:44 PM
Iím not going on the player for Barcelona or the player we see now. Iím going on the standout player for Valencia, that earned a big money move to Barcelona. The player that was the best player on the park in the Derby. We are disjointed, have no structure, therefore he struggles, too.

I think he is the most talented player we have in our squad and the best footballer. Put him alongside a Barry with a manager who has a grasp of what he is trying to do and that 30 million is a bargain.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on February 19, 2019, 07:02:08 PM
Gomes has been dragged down to our level. What's the point in him looking up to thread a ball through the lines only for Sig to take three touches and give it back to him. Or to knock a ball in to the striker only for Richarlison to fall on his arse and watch it come right back.

He was playing well leading up to and including the derby and since they he and everyone else has fallen off a cliff.               
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on February 19, 2019, 08:16:28 PM
The market doesnít currently stand there. We wouldnít get 45m for sigurdsson cos we overpaid. So yes it is nonsense. Gomes at 25m or infinite Bernards?

Look at 25m Gomes would be a decent signing. Comparing him to bad signings to prove that is nonsense though

You're right, the market has changed, taking it further from your nonsensical comparison.

It's not comparing him to a bad signing, it's comparing him to the market value. How Bolasie (or anyone else) turned out is a hypothetical and therefore is of no concern. The value is based on the player at the point of purchase.

Tis isn't about what Gomes (or anyone) is worth, but rather the value of comparison.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on February 19, 2019, 08:28:11 PM
Iím not going on the player for Barcelona or the player we see now. Iím going on the standout player for Valencia, that earned a big money move to Barcelona. The player that was the best player on the park in the Derby. We are disjointed, have no structure, therefore he struggles, too.

I think he is the most talented player we have in our squad and the best footballer. Put him alongside a Barry with a manager who has a grasp of what he is trying to do and that 30 million is a bargain.

Youíve got to judge him on his form and recent past not on some season he played two and a half years ago.

Its not like youíd suggest not bringing a forward in this summer and giving Sandro another chance next season is it?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on February 19, 2019, 08:29:13 PM
All over Gomes for anything around 30m me.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 19, 2019, 11:31:03 PM
It was said at the start of this whole endeavour - bad move, flatters to deceive, not a great player.

Have we moved on from that based on his showing?

If we spend 30 on this Littlewoods model we deserve everything we get.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on February 19, 2019, 11:36:21 PM
It was said at the start of this whole endeavour - bad move, flatters to deceive, not a great player.

Have we moved on from that based on his showing?

If we spend 30 on this Littlewoods model we deserve everything we get.
Have faith brap he 'll come good with better around him and better shape
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 20, 2019, 12:08:31 AM
You're right, the market has changed, taking it further from your nonsensical comparison.

It's not comparing him to a bad signing, it's comparing him to the market value. How Bolasie (or anyone else) turned out is a hypothetical and therefore is of no concern. The value is based on the player at the point of purchase.

Tis isn't about what Gomes (or anyone) is worth, but rather the value of comparison.

You think weíd make a profit on sigurdsson? If we are going to compare Gomes value to sigurdssons then we need to compare it to a fee weíd realistically get today
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on February 20, 2019, 12:33:10 AM
It was said at the start of this whole endeavour - bad move, flatters to deceive, not a great player.

Have we moved on from that based on his showing?

If we spend 30 on this Littlewoods model we deserve everything we get.

Scathing!

Have you not seen anything at all about Gomes that makes you want to keep him?

Do you not think he would be great with better players around him? Because we won't get better players until we replace the McCarthy's with the Gomes'
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 20, 2019, 12:38:12 AM
It was said at the start of this whole endeavour - bad move, flatters to deceive, not a great player.

Have we moved on from that based on his showing?

If we spend 30 on this Littlewoods model we deserve everything we get.
Well we spent 45 on a useless little dolly and 28 on a terminally lazy get, god knows how much on that Brazilian grass eating cunt so why not..
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on February 20, 2019, 12:39:17 AM
25-30 million is the going rate these days
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 20, 2019, 12:47:38 AM
25-30 million is the going rate these days

It is but is he a player we really need

I tend to think heís 1 who drifts to the mean. Heíd look decent in a decent side but not really elevate us a level (whatever level we might be at)
Iíve no problem with us signing him but I wouldnít be too upset if we passed on him either
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on February 20, 2019, 12:48:24 AM
Well we spent 45 on a useless little dolly and 28 on a terminally lazy get, god knows how much on that Brazilian grass eating cunt so why not..

Youíre in a good mood
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 20, 2019, 12:51:37 AM
Brap started it  ;D
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on February 20, 2019, 01:04:40 AM
It is but is he a player we really need

I tend to think heís 1 who drifts to the mean. Heíd look decent in a decent side but not really elevate us a level (whatever level we might be at)
Iíve no problem with us signing him but I wouldnít be too upset if we passed on him either
You know what I think he is the player we need IF we sort the shit out around him in the sense that he's so comfortable on the ball so brings much needed composure.

If he went to spurs for example he d smash it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on February 20, 2019, 01:09:44 AM
Well we spent 45 on a useless little dolly and 28 on a terminally lazy get, god knows how much on that Brazilian grass eating cunt so why not..

Wow
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on February 20, 2019, 01:10:05 AM
It was said at the start of this whole endeavour - bad move, flatters to deceive, not a great player.

Have we moved on from that based on his showing?

If we spend 30 on this Littlewoods model we deserve everything we get.

Not as bad was you made out, not as good as some people think.

Worth taking the risk for a decent price considering he had no pre season and has had to play inbetween two of the most one dimensional midfielders in the league.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on February 20, 2019, 01:11:05 AM
Well we spent 45 on a useless little dolly and 28 on a terminally lazy get, god knows how much on that Brazilian grass eating cunt so why not..

Kinell.

Bernard was on a free by the way and heís sound.

Donít even know who youíre talking about with the 28mil.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on February 20, 2019, 01:11:55 AM
I bet we could capture all of the dribbles and crisp passes to the flanks, along with some extra defensive upside, for a smaller fee and wage by signing Sander Berge from Genk instead.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on February 20, 2019, 01:12:35 AM
Kinell.

Bernard was on a free by the way and heís sound.

Donít even know who youíre talking about with the 28mil.
Mina?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 20, 2019, 01:14:02 AM
Kinell.

Bernard was on a free by the way and heís sound.

Donít even know who youíre talking about with the 28mil.
Walcott and Rich, like Bernard, got mixed up between Theo's age and his fee, must be depression.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on February 20, 2019, 01:14:59 AM
I bet we could capture all of the dribbles and crisp passes to the flanks, along with some extra defensive upside, for a smaller fee and wage by signing Sander Berge from Genk instead.

Whatís to say we canít sign both?

Iím hoping for two midfielders in along with Gomes myself.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on February 20, 2019, 01:15:24 AM
Walcott and Rich, like Bernard, got mixed up between Theo's age and his fee, must be depression.
I feel your pain  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on February 20, 2019, 01:17:46 AM
Whatís to say we canít sign both?

Iím hoping for two midfielders in along with Gomes myself.
Assuming we sell gana who d you reckon we should go for ?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on February 20, 2019, 01:31:30 AM
Signing Gomes on perm deal will be a great start to our summer business. More outs than ins I reckon, so the ins have to be top quality
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 20, 2019, 01:36:22 AM
Scathing!

Have you not seen anything at all about Gomes that makes you want to keep him?

Do you not think he would be great with better players around him? Because we won't get better players until we replace the McCarthy's with the Gomes'

Yeah he's nice to watch, but I'm not massively surprised it's panned out like this really and if we bought him it would probably just be more of the same. Flashes of undeniable quality followed by periods of anonymity down to downright poor showings.

Can't we just buy a good player and it work out? There's always if, buts and maybes with us, isn't there?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 20, 2019, 01:48:08 AM
Down to doing the work others can't do more like, the selfless , gorgeous bastard.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on February 20, 2019, 01:29:17 PM
Yeah he's nice to watch, but I'm not massively surprised it's panned out like this really and if we bought him it would probably just be more of the same. Flashes of undeniable quality followed by periods of anonymity down to downright poor showings.

Can't we just buy a good player and it work out? There's always if, buts and maybes with us, isn't there?


Well we know that there is a reason he didn't have a place in the first team at Barcelona - but it worked out for us with Digne didn't it?

I don't think that he's one of those 'but how is he at Stoke on a wet Tuesday evening' players because one of the things that initially impressed me was the way he used his upper body strength to fend people off whilst keeping the ball at his feet where just about every other member of the squad would have been forced to pass it to retain possession.

I agree that it is a concern that he can be Rolls Royce one week and Reliant Robin the next, but I'm convinced that the way the team are playing around him is a massive factor in his game. Remember the first few games? He seemed to be everywhere and available to everyone and everything went through him. Tom Davies aside - I don't know if anyone else works that closely with that many players on his own team.

Now add to that how poor we have been as a team, how bad this season has been, how unhappy the fans are and how much press coverage and pressure there is. For someone who relies on teammates and is such a team player (IMO), it must be really difficult. His skill is using his teammates and his teammates are shit. So even when he does his best it still turns to shit. Add to that the way Silva is asking them all to play and what do you get?

Now I'm not saying that he is blameless - he shoulders as much responsibility as they all do - I'm just saying I understand why we're now seeing him play safer and sometimes putting in a half-shift, even if I don't agree with it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 20, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
The concern is that even when he is good he doesn't do anything.

He's a bauble and we're better off avoiding fraudulent players.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on February 20, 2019, 02:01:36 PM
The concern is that even when he is good he doesn't do anything.

He's a bauble and we're better off avoiding fraudulent players.

But is he able to do what he does best with those around him?

If you give a master joiner an inflatable hammer to knock his nails in - is he fraudulent too? Or are you just not setting him up to succeed with the skills he clearly possesses?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 20, 2019, 02:04:49 PM
But is he able to do what he does best with those around him?

If you give a master joiner an inflatable hammer to knock his nails in - is he fraudulent too? Or are you just not setting him up to succeed with the skills he clearly possesses?

Depends if the stats say he knocked in any critical nails, or at least the expected number of nails per 90 mins  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 20, 2019, 02:27:40 PM
Depends if the stats say he knocked in any critical nails, or at least the expected number of nails per 90 mins  :thumbsup:

If across the course of his career he barely managed to hang a shelf despite looking like Tim the toolman Taylor then yes, you should pay attention to that.

Can't believe people still have this idea that he's some incredible player it's just that we haven't seen it.

He was *good* when he was playing well, but without really doing anything at all.

You do know there are players out there who do actually do stuff? Like why not just buy a good player? Why must we always 'take risks' and hope it works out?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 20, 2019, 02:56:40 PM
If across the course of his career he barely managed to hang a shelf despite looking like Tim the toolman Taylor then yes, you should pay attention to that.

Can't believe people still have this idea that he's some incredible player it's just that we haven't seen it.

He was *good* when he was playing well, but without really doing anything at all.

You do know there are players out there who do actually do stuff? Like why not just buy a good player? Why must we always 'take risks' and hope it works out?

A centre mid who has a season with 13 goals, 8 assists, 1.8 key passes per game? Followed next season with 14 goals, 9 assist and 1.8 key passes per game?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on February 20, 2019, 02:57:35 PM
If across the course of his career he barely managed to hang a shelf despite looking like Tim the toolman Taylor then yes, you should pay attention to that.

Can't believe people still have this idea that he's some incredible player it's just that we haven't seen it.

He was *good* when he was playing well, but without really doing anything at all.

You do know there are players out there who do actually do stuff? Like why not just buy a good player? Why must we always 'take risks' and hope it works out?

Why can't we do both? Every team does that. I'm not sure how a player can be good but do nothing that doesn't make you a good player. You look at output as the only thing that defines a good player and I know we've had this conversation before but there's more to it than key passes, tackles etc. I get that when he plays poorly he seems like a luxury but when he is playing well he does keep the ball exceptionally well, look to play it forward and spot the movement of creative players. He needs a more progressive player alongside him for sure but he would be an asset as a permanent signing with A.N other
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 20, 2019, 02:59:49 PM
A centre mid who has a season with 13 goals, 8 assists, 1.8 key passes per game? Followed next season with 14 goals, 9 assist and 1.8 key passes per game?

I don't have a clue who you're talking about
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 20, 2019, 03:00:45 PM
I don't have a clue who you're talking about

There really the kind of outputs we'd like tho? They seem to be a good player? Consistent, does a lot
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 20, 2019, 03:08:54 PM
Why can't we do both? Every team does that. I'm not sure how a player can be good but do nothing that doesn't make you a good player. You look at output as the only thing that defines a good player and I know we've had this conversation before but there's more to it than key passes, tackles etc. I get that when he plays poorly he seems like a luxury but when he is playing well he does keep the ball exceptionally well, look to play it forward and spot the movement of creative players. He needs a more progressive player alongside him for sure but he would be an asset as a permanent signing with A.N other

Ultimately I suppose I agree - if we can get him for a palatable fee which for me would be 25 and under, then I could swallow it.

Issue for me is that Everton take lots of gambles that don't ever seen to be thought through at all, and that's how we've ended up where we are. Every team does it to some extent but very few do it as fucking badly as Everton FC.

Re: output - disagree but I understand where you're coming from.

When he was playing well he was a good ball progressor which is something we severely lacked (for years), so I will definitely give him that if we are talking about output. He is press resistant true which helps us a lot, and he *seeeeems* to have all the tools to be genuinely very very good.

I just don't understand why we should persist or take risks on players we know deep down have a poor chance of success.

We've seen him play now and it turns out it was largely correct that he is OK and looks nice but ultimately meh....why not just go and buy an actually good player?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hawkandro on February 20, 2019, 03:10:07 PM
I bet we could capture all of the dribbles and crisp passes to the flanks, along with some extra defensive upside, for a smaller fee and wage by signing Sander Berge from Genk instead.

I am really intrigued as to what our transfer targets will be this summer. Brands has talked about a clear-out, and Moshiri has talked about signing younger players than we have focused on before, yet it's totally silent in terms of rumours.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 20, 2019, 03:10:52 PM
There really the kind of outputs we'd like tho? They seem to be a good player? Consistent, does a lot

I've honestly got no idea what your point is here, is this some sort of trap?  Who is this mythical beast?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on February 20, 2019, 03:22:22 PM
We've basically Evertoned the fuck out of Gomes haven't we, he gave us flashes of how good he can be when he first arrived, we soon knocked that out of him
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on February 20, 2019, 03:29:08 PM
Ultimately I suppose I agree - if we can get him for a palatable fee which for me would be 25 and under, then I could swallow it.

Issue for me is that Everton take lots of gambles that don't ever seen to be thought through at all, and that's how we've ended up where we are. Every team does it to some extent but very few do it as fucking badly as Everton FC.

Re: output - disagree but I understand where you're coming from.

When he was playing well he was a good ball progressor which is something we severely lacked (for years), so I will definitely give him that if we are talking about output. He is press resistant true which helps us a lot, and he *seeeeems* to have all the tools to be genuinely very very good.

I just don't understand why we should persist or take risks on players we know deep down have a poor chance of success.

We've seen him play now and it turns out it was largely correct that he is OK and looks nice but ultimately meh....why not just go and buy an actually good player?

I kind of agree as well we need to just buy a good player but I think there's room for Gomes as well, price dependent like you said though. I think we will bring Gomes in because it's pretty clear Gueye, Schneiderlin and Mc Carthy won't be here. That leaves us very light on established players. There's going to be a lot of incoming and outgoings this summer for us I reckon but it's overdue
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on February 20, 2019, 03:38:27 PM
Ultimately I suppose I agree - if we can get him for a palatable fee which for me would be 25 and under, then I could swallow it.

Issue for me is that Everton take lots of gambles that don't ever seen to be thought through at all, and that's how we've ended up where we are. Every team does it to some extent but very few do it as fucking badly as Everton FC.

Re: output - disagree but I understand where you're coming from.

When he was playing well he was a good ball progressor which is something we severely lacked (for years), so I will definitely give him that if we are talking about output. He is press resistant true which helps us a lot, and he *seeeeems* to have all the tools to be genuinely very very good.

I just don't understand why we should persist or take risks on players we know deep down have a poor chance of success.

We've seen him play now and it turns out it was largely correct that he is OK and looks nice but ultimately meh....why not just go and buy an actually good player?


I would like us to buy an actual good player too, but is this part of our problem at the moment, we are not attractive enough for those kind of players. Apart from wages, club history (which modern players don't really care about) and maybe a we want to be here as a club we don't have much to offer those players, so we only appeal to the Gomes' or (back then anyway) Lukaku's someone that talented but want to use us at the moment as a stepping stone.

Wan-Bissaka would be a good signing for us, but would he view at the moment us as a move forward from Palace or stay there and wait for Man Utd, Tottenham or Man City etc...

I think our targets are probably

Potential/highly rated
Talented but a risk
Talented on the fringes at current club wanting to prove himself
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on February 20, 2019, 04:10:18 PM

I would like us to buy an actual good player too, but is this part of our problem at the moment, we are not attractive enough for those kind of players. Apart from wages, club history (which modern players don't really care about) and maybe a we want to be here as a club we don't have much to offer those players, so we only appeal to the Gomes' or (back then anyway) Lukaku's someone that talented but want to use us at the moment as a stepping stone.

Wan-Bissaka would be a good signing for us, but would he view at the moment us as a move forward from Palace or stay there and wait for Man Utd, Tottenham or Man City etc...

I think our targets are probably

Potential/highly rated
Talented but a risk
Talented on the fringes at current club wanting to prove himself

Being linked with all the top clubs this morning.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: ally2 on February 20, 2019, 05:00:59 PM
We've basically Evertoned the fuck out of Gomes haven't we, he gave us flashes of how good he can be when he first arrived, we soon knocked that out of him

Yes I see it like that. Like trying to warm up a lake by putting hot water into it. Whatever you chuck into it immediately assumes the temperature of the lake. Although Gomes did flourish for a short while. Perhaps he deserves more credit for that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on February 20, 2019, 05:03:21 PM
I bet we could capture all of the dribbles and crisp passes to the flanks, along with some extra defensive upside, for a smaller fee and wage by signing Sander Berge from Genk instead.

Do you just pick random names out of World Soccer magazine?

If not you're wasted on here. You should be a scout.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on February 20, 2019, 05:32:00 PM
I kind of agree as well we need to just buy a good player but I think there's room for Gomes as well, price dependent like you said though. I think we will bring Gomes in because it's pretty clear Gueye, Schneiderlin and Mc Carthy won't be here. That leaves us very light on established players. There's going to be a lot of incoming and outgoings this summer for us I reckon but it's overdue
I think the issue he has is that he's a little jack of all trades, master of none.

He's alright when he's got the ball and he's alright in defence. He's just not excellent at either. He's neither gonna help us concede fewer goals nor help us score/create more. He's just a less influential version of Gareth Barry to me, better at dribbling and worse at everything else.

For the version of Everton I want us to be, he'd be a really great squad option. I'd just prefer we had a player who had a more tangible effect either creatively or defensively starting for us in midfield next season.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on February 20, 2019, 07:32:04 PM
Ultimately I suppose I agree - if we can get him for a palatable fee which for me would be 25 and under, then I could swallow it.

Issue for me is that Everton take lots of gambles that don't ever seen to be thought through at all, and that's how we've ended up where we are. Every team does it to some extent but very few do it as fucking badly as Everton FC.

Re: output - disagree but I understand where you're coming from.

When he was playing well he was a good ball progressor which is something we severely lacked (for years), so I will definitely give him that if we are talking about output. He is press resistant true which helps us a lot, and he *seeeeems* to have all the tools to be genuinely very very good.

I just don't understand why we should persist or take risks on players we know deep down have a poor chance of success.

We've seen him play now and it turns out it was largely correct that he is OK and looks nice but ultimately meh....why not just go and buy an actually good player?

"if we can get him for a palatable fee which for me would be 25 and under, then I could swallow it"

I don't get people who think like this (not just you Brap). Yes I want to make sure we're not rinsed and get good deals but really - who can say what good deals are these days? There are no rules. The money is ridiculous and unfathomable. You can have an overpriced shit flop, a worldy who was a snip, a youth who cost nowt, a prospect who cost the earth and never delivered.
Ultimately you have to trust that those taking these calculated risks have done their job and looked into it a lot more than we do. But even that's no guarantee. There are no guarantees.
If a player is right - pay what you can afford to or risk not progressing.

"why not just go and buy an actually good player?"
This is almost contradictory to your other point. Not when taken with your assessment of Gomes though, I guess.
The thing is - he's an upgrade. Better than what we have. So he is a better player. If he is already here and wants to stay - then we should definitely get him and improve the squad because  this other mythical 'better player' may never materialise.

What will attract this other 'better player'? A number of things. One of them being whether or not he gets to play alongside McCarthy and Schneiderlin or Gomes and Gana.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on February 20, 2019, 07:40:58 PM
Can I get some maple syrup with that waffle please
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on February 20, 2019, 07:46:06 PM
Here we go again. ...stats outside the prem mean fuck fuck all in the prem .....it's been proven so many times. .how many alleged brilliant players flop like fuck over here .


Every single fucking signing here or abroad is a gamble ...and if you think stats sheets prove this wrong your watching the wrong fucking game .

All we can do is trust in our "new" DOF  and hope he knows better than some data sheet internet buff .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on February 20, 2019, 07:48:48 PM
Ill be gutted if we don't sign him like
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on February 20, 2019, 08:04:49 PM
The thing is - he's an upgrade. Better than what we have. So he is a better player. If he is already here and wants to stay - then we should definitely get him and improve the squad because  this other mythical 'better player' may never materialise.
Cenk Tosun and Theo Walcott were better than what we had, but it didn't mean they were good signings.

These signings don't exist in isolation. We've now been told that we need to shed money off the wage bill before we can bring in more players.

What we spend on one player directly affects what we can spend on another.

That's why it's important to get players who are the best possible fit, not just 'upgrades'.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 20, 2019, 09:56:45 PM
I think Gomes would thrive in a more balanced MF.  We need to ask him to do too much as is.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 20, 2019, 11:09:12 PM
We've basically Evertoned the fuck out of Gomes haven't we, he gave us flashes of how good he can be when he first arrived, we soon knocked that out of him
Exactly
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Seahawk on February 21, 2019, 03:58:55 AM
We've basically Evertoned the fuck out of Gomes haven't we, he gave us flashes of how good he can be when he first arrived, we soon knocked that out of him
Evertoned the fuck out of him. One of the best one liners I've heard in ages. Still smiling 30 minutes after reading it.
Have an immediate like and a cool Sir!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on February 21, 2019, 01:59:57 PM
Cenk Tosun and Theo Walcott were better than what we had, but it didn't mean they were good signings.

These signings don't exist in isolation. We've now been told that we need to shed money off the wage bill before we can bring in more players.

What we spend on one player directly affects what we can spend on another.

That's why it's important to get players who are the best possible fit, not just 'upgrades'.

If there is a better fit and a better player who wants to come - of course I want him instead. But just how often have we bought players that have improved us recently?

Schneiderlin? Bolasie? Williams? Keane? Ramirez? Martina? Kone? Valencia? Klaasen?

For me, Gomes is a definite better option in midfield over all our other midfielders, with the possible arguable exception of Gueye. The next guy we get in might be another Klaasen - proven European pedigree but bombs. We've already seen how good Gomes could be.

You want to get rid and gamble again? I'd rather keep him and gamble again.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on February 21, 2019, 02:07:09 PM
We need a leader in there someone like a better footballing version of Scott Brown from Celtic, heís got heart and bottle and will lead by example, a real captain and we desperately need one of those atm


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on February 21, 2019, 04:06:31 PM
Gomes for a reasonable fee adds quality to the squad, bearing in mind we're going to be offloading the majority of the midfield in the summer. Although Vlasic has been playing plenty of games in CM too and he seems to be doing okay so we may have a decent option on the books already.

The real issue is we need to know who is going to be managing us next season and how they want to play. We've turned around three managers in as many years and all wanted different things from the players so let's start from the top and work backwards from there.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 21, 2019, 04:17:31 PM
Agreed, we need some certainty.  Already going to have to gamble at RB and CF.  Gomes and Zouma for me, they've been two bright spots in an otherwise crap season.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bally on February 21, 2019, 07:00:00 PM
We need a leader in there someone like a better footballing version of Scott Brown from Celtic, he's got heart and bottle and will lead by example, a real captain and we desperately need one of those atm


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Didn't mean to like that, just lost a mouthful of coffee reading that... Fucking hell

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 21, 2019, 07:20:52 PM
We need a leader in there someone like a better footballing version of Scott Brown from Celtic, heís got heart and bottle and will lead by example, a real captain and we desperately need one of those atm


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Bloody hell
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on February 21, 2019, 10:08:22 PM
If there is a better fit and a better player who wants to come - of course I want him instead. But just how often have we bought players that have improved us recently?

Schneiderlin? Bolasie? Williams? Keane? Ramirez? Martina? Kone? Valencia? Klaasen?

For me, Gomes is a definite better option in midfield over all our other midfielders, with the possible arguable exception of Gueye. The next guy we get in might be another Klaasen - proven European pedigree but bombs. We've already seen how good Gomes could be.

You want to get rid and gamble again? I'd rather keep him and gamble again.
I mean you asked why people care about palatable fees/wages and that's the answer.

Ultimately though, it comes down to how much you rate him. I'd imagine you think he's better than I do and would be happy with him being first choice next season. I think that for a team looking to finish in the top 6 he's not much more than a really good squad option.

So yeah, I would rather take the risk and go for another unknown. But that's also why I argued against spending the money we did on most of the players you mentioned too (Schneiderlin, Keane and Klaassen probably the biggest exceptions which shows what I know!). Otherwise they were players that I had just as many reservations about signing as I do with Gomes.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 21, 2019, 11:01:54 PM
The problem is his wages. Weíd again be committing to the top end of our wage structure for a player who might only be a first teamer if we remain unsuccessful
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on February 21, 2019, 11:44:19 PM
I see Scott Browns name way too often for my liking on here.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on February 21, 2019, 11:46:37 PM
I see Scott Browns name way too often for my liking on here.

He'd struggle in league one, absolutely shite footballer
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 22, 2019, 01:36:30 AM
Scott brown tho
In a thread about gomes
Amazing linkage
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on February 22, 2019, 01:51:05 AM
Bloody hell
What is that supposed to mean, donít you agree that we need a leader of men on the pitch who will show some commitment and passion?


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bluenuck on February 22, 2019, 02:20:19 AM
Bloody hell

I hate to say it, but he's got a point. We're adding way to many mercs onto our team lately. You could even say that about 2 of our coaches. (Allardayce and Koeman)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on February 22, 2019, 03:05:40 AM
The problem is his wages. We'd again be committing to the top end of our wage structure for a player who might only be a first teamer if we remain unsuccessful
He's 'only' on 80k per week at Barca, roughly half of what Bernard is on with us

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on February 22, 2019, 03:07:26 AM
Weíve got too many players in the squad who run around and do nothing.

The leadership thing is a lazy shout that always comes out when in a bad run of form.

We need quality footballers more than players like Scott Brown ffs
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 22, 2019, 03:28:27 AM
He's 'only' on 80k per week at Barca, roughly half of what Bernard is on with us

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Really? He needs a new agent. How does someone sign for Barca for 50m and end up on only 80k a week
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on February 22, 2019, 03:34:59 AM
Really? He needs a new agent. How does someone sign for Barca for 50m and end up on only 80k a week
A fair few of them aren't on as much as what we pay, assume they hold the Barca trump card and players see the prestige of playing for them over trying to fleece them, unlike us

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on February 22, 2019, 03:44:56 AM
Really? He needs a new agent. How does someone sign for Barca for 50m and end up on only 80k a week

He didnít cost anywhere near 50mil.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: ally2 on February 22, 2019, 03:47:48 AM
He said someone like scott brown, not scott brown himself.  its not like we can be so precious anyway, we already hit the bottom of the barrel with allardyce.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on February 22, 2019, 04:46:42 AM
He said someone like scott brown, not scott brown himself.  its not like we can be so precious anyway, we already hit the bottom of the barrel with allardyce.
Correct Ally, I actually said a better footballing version of Scott Brown.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bluenuck on February 22, 2019, 04:56:47 AM
Weíve got too many players in the squad who run around and do nothing.

The leadership thing is a lazy shout that always comes out when in a bad run of form.

We need quality footballers more than players like Scott Brown ffs

He didn't say we need Scott Brown.

And like I've said multiple times. A third of a season is not a bad run of form. It's just a shit team.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on February 22, 2019, 05:02:39 AM
Didn't mean to like that, just lost a mouthful of coffee reading that... Fucking hell

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Well everyone has been crying out for a leader/captain for a couple of years now and so far I donít see many other realistic suggestions, anyway make yourself another cuppa


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on February 22, 2019, 05:03:42 AM
He didn't say we need Scott Brown.

And like I've said multiple times. A third of a season is not a bad run of form. It's just a shit team.

I know what he said.

Itís still drivel.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bluenuck on February 22, 2019, 05:12:04 AM
I know what he said.

Itís still drivel.

Nah. I think he's got a point. I don't think it's the main deciding factor why we suck, but You even see it. When we crumble after letting in a goal. Such a weak mentality out there.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 22, 2019, 05:40:10 AM
Nah. I think he's got a point. I don't think it's the main deciding factor why we suck, but You even see it. When we crumble after letting in a goal. Such a weak mentality out there.

I disagree. I think the ďcrumblingĒ is merely conceding chances a because our midfield is shite and made even shitter by having to chase a game and allow the opposition more space to create, resulting in conceding yet more chances and free kicks in dangerous positions. Thatís your ďcrumblingĒ.

Having a dickhead running around beating his chest wonít do anything to stop that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bluenuck on February 22, 2019, 12:46:22 PM
I disagree. I think the ďcrumblingĒ is merely conceding chances a because our midfield is shite and made even shitter by having to chase a game and allow the opposition more space to create, resulting in conceding yet more chances and free kicks in dangerous positions. Thatís your ďcrumblingĒ.

Having a dickhead running around beating his chest wonít do anything to stop that.

Iím not disagreeing with you. I did say itís not the main problem.

But I do think itís an underlying problem that has been growing for the last ~3 seasons that people underrate.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on February 22, 2019, 03:04:07 PM
Iím not disagreeing with you. I did say itís not the main problem.

But I do think itís an underlying problem that has been growing for the last ~3 seasons that people underrate.
For me the problems are a combination of the two. The confidence is low as Silva as so far been unable to find a defensive system that enables us to defend set pieces or a midfield that can both attack and defend in a football match. With the players we have at our disposal both of these should be possible and anyone that says otherwise is being naive imo.

I totally agree that we lack leaders and of course it is relevant....after we concede a goal it doesn't look like the 11 could get a hard on between them (other than maybe pickford who you'd assume would shoot too early in over excitment).
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on February 22, 2019, 07:40:32 PM
Re. a lack of leaders, remember last season when we had something like 6 current/ex national team captains playing at the same time, and we still rolled over.

I'd be happier if we focused on fitness rather than passion.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mac934 on February 22, 2019, 08:02:18 PM
I disagree. I think the ďcrumblingĒ is merely conceding chances a because our midfield is shite and made even shitter by having to chase a game and allow the opposition more space to create, resulting in conceding yet more chances and free kicks in dangerous positions. Thatís your ďcrumblingĒ.

Having a dickhead running around beating his chest wonít do anything to stop that.
A leader on the pitch is someone who 'leads' the line usually by example. I can think of many leaders who are not 'dickheads who go running around beating their chests'.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 22, 2019, 08:20:21 PM
Re. a lack of leaders, remember last season when we had something like 6 current/ex national team captains playing at the same time, and we still rolled over.

I'd be happier if we focused on fitness rather than passion.

Or buying the right players and not having ďcaptainĒ as essential in the search criteria
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on February 23, 2019, 10:03:21 PM
Some people should read posts properly before they start with the smart comments.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on February 23, 2019, 10:22:23 PM
Some people should read posts properly before they start with the smart comments.

I know exactly what he said, bud.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 11, 2019, 03:19:31 PM
First half was his best game for us I think.

With that in mind, I do wonder if he should ever start a game for us again the big handsome tit.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on March 11, 2019, 03:46:58 PM
First half was his best game for us I think.

With that in mind, I do wonder if he should ever start a game for us again the big handsome tit.

Why?

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 11, 2019, 03:54:16 PM
Why?

Leaves gueye with too much to do I think. Is literally a black hole of a midfield with just him running about trying to cover.

I would be happy with him starting in a 3 but that doesn't look like it's going to happen, so he should be pulled out for Schneiderlin I think.

Got to be up there for most overrated Everton player of the last ten years, when it's going his way he looks absolutely superb, then when it's time to be a midfielder he is a total waste of space.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 11, 2019, 04:02:04 PM
Leaves gueye with too much to do I think. Is literally a black hole of a midfield with just him running about trying to cover.

I would be happy with him starting in a 3 but that doesn't look like it's going to happen, so he should be pulled out for Schneiderlin I think.

Got to be up there for most overrated Everton player of the last ten years, when it's going his way he looks absolutely superb, then when it's time to be a midfielder he is a total waste of space.

Ahhhhhh the fabled Gana/Schneiderlin combination, that masterpiece of midfield that worked wonders whenever it was used last season
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 11, 2019, 04:06:04 PM
Ahhhhhh the fabled Gana/Schneiderlin combination, that masterpiece of midfield that worked wonders whenever it was used last season

I know, I know, I can barely believe I'm saying it, but this 4-2-4 he's doing at the minute is fucking killing me. We're 30 odd games in and it's still happening.

If he can't play 3 real midfielders then he should at least play 2.

Andre Gomes is, while being so fun to watch when it's working, an absolute myth of a player I think.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheTone on March 11, 2019, 05:47:14 PM
If the money is right then he's the first name on the team sheet for me next season, we've bigger issues throughout the team to sort out, a partner in the midfield with him for starters
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: di_guyo on March 11, 2019, 06:12:04 PM
If the money is right then he's the first name on the team sheet for me next season, we've bigger issues throughout the team to sort out, a partner in the midfield with him for starters

Can't agree with this, or understand it. I haven't seen much from him at all, since the first few games, to suggest he's that level of player. I expected him to dictate the pace of the games and be a dominant force, but he's slipped to the standard of the rest. For me, he needs to be more of a presence and contribute more moving forwards with the ball. I'm still unconvinced whether he's worth signing (considering the likely hefty sum), never-mind being first name on the teamsheet - he's miles off that, for me.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on March 11, 2019, 06:12:58 PM
Cannot believe people are even contemplating the axis of Schneierlin/Gueye again. It's been almost unanimously slated as being the most one dimensional pairing we've had for many a year and should never be seen again. I'd even try McCarthy over Schneiderlin and that's really scraping the barrel.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on March 11, 2019, 06:16:34 PM
Cannot believe people are even contemplating the axis of Schneierlin/Gueye again. It's been almost unanimously slated as being the most one dimensional pairing we've had for many a year and should never be seen again. I'd even try McCarthy over Schneiderlin and that's really scraping the barrel.

It has literally worked in the last two games its been tried.

Maybe Silva is a manager that can get these two playing well together?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: dazfrancis on March 11, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
Surely we need to be looking at horses for courses.

If we are going to have a lot of the ball then it makes sense that Gomes should play.

To be fair it seemed to work for 60 mins yesterday. Everyone lost their heads once we conceded a goal
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on March 11, 2019, 06:35:10 PM
It has literally worked in the last two games its been tried.

Maybe Silva is a manager that can get these two playing well together?


Yeah, Iíve been thinking this.

Never been a big fan of Schneiderlin really, but just the fact he is positionally disciplined gave as a good foundation against Cardiff and Liverpool.

Plus, he has done two of the best passes this season, with the one to Coleman against Cardiff, and the free kick to Walcott earlier in the season.

That free-kick was such a false dawn, wasnít it! I thought that it hinted that we had loads of cool routines in the bag, but weíve done fuck all since!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 11, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
Surely we need to be looking at horses for courses.

If we are going to have a lot of the ball then it makes sense that Gomes should play.

To be fair it seemed to work for 60 mins yesterday. Everyone lost their heads once we conceded a goal

That's it 100%.  In retrospect, we probably needed an extra DM for Richarlison, rather than Mina.

Still, I think not having Coleman was a real problem.  Kenny can be bullied when the opposition makes a point to do so.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on March 11, 2019, 07:09:08 PM
Most of our attacks are through the wide areas no matter who starts in the middle and everybody we play there can pass the ball out to the wings effectively. I think it's more important for Silva to get the defensive balance right at the moment.

Gana and Gomes tend to get overrun without a third proper midfielder alongside them (this has been the pattern since December). Sigurdsson is generally positioned too far forward to help them out.

With Sigurdsson starting, I'm starting think we're better off playing a second defensive midfielder. It makes us stronger without the ball and the "loss" in distribution hardly matters because we're playing through our wingers and fullbacks anyway.

And when Silva does manage to "get away" with Gana-Gomes-Sigurdsson like he did in the first half on Saturday, it would be nice if he learned to shut the game down while he's ahead. Sigurdsson off, proper midfielder on. Now you have an extra body to shield the defense and get a hold of the ball further back, which can help relieve pressure.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on March 11, 2019, 07:11:36 PM
I know, I know, I can barely believe I'm saying it, but this 4-2-4 he's doing at the minute is fucking killing me. We're 30 odd games in and it's still happening.

If he can't play 3 real midfielders then he should at least play 2.

Andre Gomes is, while being so fun to watch when it's working, an absolute myth of a player I think.

I would like to see a 4-3-3 with Gana, Schneiderlin and Gomes. With 3 quick players up top. Issue is Sigurdsson is our top player for goals, chances created and record signing, so looks unlikely. I think Gomes is a good player but needs a defensive axis to support him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on March 11, 2019, 07:15:31 PM
It has literally worked in the last two games its been tried.

Maybe Silva is a manager that can get these two playing well together?


Yes, willing to be proved wrong on this one. Hopefully so too. I just have my doubts it'll last.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 11, 2019, 07:47:10 PM
I would like to see a 4-3-3 with Gana, Schneiderlin and Gomes. With 3 quick players up top. Issue is Sigurdsson is our top player for goals, chances created and record signing, so looks unlikely. I think Gomes is a good player but needs a defensive axis to support him.

Yeah I would myself, but gylfi seems undroppable doesn't he.

Strongly believe he needs selling and replacing with a proper creative cm.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on March 11, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Buy Gomes

Keep Sigurdsson

Sell Gana

Sell Schneiderlin
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 11, 2019, 09:15:44 PM
Buy Gomes

Keep Sigurdsson

Sell Gana

Sell Schneiderlin


God help us.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on March 11, 2019, 10:35:43 PM
God - another myth

Fact
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on March 11, 2019, 10:49:31 PM
Gomes at £20m - cheap as chips

10 goals a season from Sigurdsson - worth every £45m penny

£30m for Gana - take the money

Anything for Schneiderlin - Utd sussed him
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 11, 2019, 10:51:01 PM
We are 11th in big chances created and 12th in open play chances creates apparently.

Weird that when we have a 45m number 10 and a cm who's better than arteta?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on March 11, 2019, 11:01:31 PM
Nobody needs Andre Gomes.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ravardo on March 11, 2019, 11:06:42 PM
We are 11th in big chances created and 12th I open play chances creates apparently.

Weird that when we have a 45m number 10 and a cm who's better than arteta?
 


And everyone bangs on about needing a decent striker,,the game at the weekend the one most people think we played well in for 60mins,, we had 7 shots with 3 on target...2 of which were goals and then you look at them who had 19 shots 7 on target 3 of which were goals,,,weve been struggling at creating chances which seems like forever...we need a creative midfield badly as the one trick pony wing play is that productive either
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 11, 2019, 11:17:41 PM
God - another myth

Fact

Totally agree. God sigurdsson and Gomes all myths

Weíll be fucked without gueye
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on March 11, 2019, 11:40:10 PM
Depends who replaces Gana

Unless you're thinking of keeping him for another 5/6 years?



Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 12, 2019, 12:17:25 AM
Depends who replaces Gana

Unless you're thinking of keeping him for another 5/6 years?





Gonna have to be someone bloody good to go Gomes and sigurdssons work. Could do with a playmaker too seeing as sigurdsson isnít really up to it. A Messi Kante hybred maybe. Or we could just not keep sigurdsson and Gomes
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on March 12, 2019, 12:30:37 AM
Gonna have to be someone bloody good to go Gomes and sigurdssons work. Could do with a playmaker too seeing as sigurdsson isnít really up to it. A Messi Kante hybred maybe. Or we could just not keep sigurdsson and Gomes

That's basically the problem with our midfield options. All specialists, no balanced skill sets.

If you're the opposition, all you have to do is force one player to do something he's not comfortable with and the whole thing goes to shit.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 12, 2019, 01:09:53 AM
That's basically the problem with our midfield options. All specialists, no balanced skill sets.

If you're the opposition, all you have to do is force one player to do something he's not comfortable with and the whole thing goes to shit.
And the "one of them" is usually Sigg, Gomes is much more capable of switching roles.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: formerKHL on March 12, 2019, 02:31:14 AM
Canít be arsed reading this thread but based on other threads would hazard a guess the jist is Gomes is not good enough....I may be wrong..

My 2 cents ......anyone who thinks Gomes is not good enough or we shouldnít sign him needs to stop smoking their toenails....
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 12, 2019, 02:35:00 AM
Canít be arsed reading this thread but based on other threads would hazard a guess the jist is Gomes is not good enough....I may be wrong..

My 2 cents ......anyone who thinks Gomes is not good enough or we shouldnít sign him needs to stop smoking their toenails....

Still dependant on fee and wages for me.

Would like to see him in a three as well where he can just be pretty and fancy and occasionally slip through players like an oiled ferret.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Martip on March 12, 2019, 03:16:30 AM
Still dependant on fee and wages for me.

Would like to see him in a three as well where he can just be pretty and fancy and occasionally slip through players like an oiled ferret.
I think we ll regret it if we let him slip through our fingers.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on March 12, 2019, 03:29:17 AM
I like him, but I won't be upset if we don't sign him. He's not what our midfield is crying out for unfortunately. Having said that, I could see him being far more effective if we replaced Sigurdsson with a truly creative no.10.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hesmenos on March 12, 2019, 04:00:15 PM
I don't think he is defensively good enough to play in a 2 man midfield, or at least not alongside Gana. Gana is our best ball winner by far but has a tendency to wander all over the pitch which leaves Gomes exposed on his own once they pass him. The thing is that most of his career he has played further up the pitch, or at least with a proper DM behind him. That's why I'd like to see him play with Schneiderlin. He wouldn't use up all his energy chasing shadows in defence and can concentrate on what he is good at which is linking defence to attack.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on March 12, 2019, 04:11:37 PM
Sign him, simple as that really
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on March 12, 2019, 04:41:39 PM
Good player just not what I think we need, considering the balance of the others in the squad.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 12, 2019, 04:45:13 PM
I don't think he is defensively good enough to play in a 2 man midfield, or at least not alongside Gana. Gana is our best ball winner by far but has a tendency to wander all over the pitch which leaves Gomes exposed on his own once they pass him. The thing is that most of his career he has played further up the pitch, or at least with a proper DM behind him. That's why I'd like to see him play with Schneiderlin. He wouldn't use up all his energy chasing shadows in defence and can concentrate on what he is good at which is linking defence to attack.


Yep, think he needs to be a link player. At the moment has nobody to link with.

Another fun fact - out of all the centre midfield pairings in the league, have a guess who is bottom for chances created.

I'll give you a clue, it's us and we're shite.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2019, 09:32:14 PM
https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1108344308388765696?s=19

Bound to be west ham
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 20, 2019, 09:36:28 PM
Think he will end up back in Spain
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2019, 09:37:39 PM
To me, he's our most balanced midfielder.  I can't see the case for NOT signing him, if the fee is reasonable.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2019, 09:38:04 PM
https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1108344308388765696?s=19

Bound to be west ham

25 million euros, what's that in proper money?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2019, 09:39:41 PM
25 million euros, what's that in proper money?

You mean Ameri-quid, or Brexit Bucks?  :D
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2019, 09:42:30 PM
25 million euros, what's that in proper money?
Be about 24m now. Come June God knows
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2019, 09:56:19 PM
Be about 24m now. Come June God knows

Bargain
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2019, 10:01:48 PM
25 million euros, what's that in proper money?

21,514,629.90
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2019, 10:08:06 PM
21,514,629.90

Cheap as chips
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on March 20, 2019, 11:26:28 PM
Despite his obvious technical inferiority, I honestly think Tom Davies is a better player.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2019, 11:29:44 PM
Despite his obvious technical inferiority, I honestly think Tom Davies is a better player.
Big shout that tbh
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2019, 11:33:33 PM
We've had pretty much a full season now and he's not done enough to justify signing him, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2019, 11:40:16 PM
Big shout that tbh

I fully agree with it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2019, 11:48:05 PM
Despite his obvious technical inferiority, I honestly think Tom Davies is a better player.

What have you been smoking!?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 21, 2019, 12:11:45 AM
We've had pretty much a full season now and he's not done enough to justify signing him, in my opinion.



I'd take him for 25m euros like.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 21, 2019, 12:16:42 AM
Despite his obvious technical inferiority, I honestly think Tom Davies is a better player.
Agree with you. I feel people over rate Gomes because he looks classy on the ball whereas Davies is underrated because he looks erratic and clumsy.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 21, 2019, 12:18:51 AM
At that price heís worth signing. Heís shown he can dominate games, albeit few and far between for one reason or another, but he has the ability. You canít play like that at Anfield and not be a real talent.

Davies is a promising talent as well, we donít have to choose one over the other, we can have both. But we also need another addition to the midfield because the balance in the team isnít great. Itís been better lately with Schneiderlin coming back but we know how unreliable he can be.

In my opinion, the key is replacing Sigurdsonís goal threat and phasing him out so we can have a more rounded, solid and dynamic midfield unit, rather than specialists in certain areas, e.g. Sigurdson and Gueye


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 21, 2019, 12:21:57 AM
I fully agree with it.
Potentially Davies could be anything, better now than gomes?
Nah
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 21, 2019, 12:48:44 AM
I'd take him for 25m euros like.

Would you not be looking for someone younger and with a higher ceiling around Europe?

I think he's decent but I don't see him being a difference maker in his position.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on March 21, 2019, 01:05:45 AM
Would take him if he's prepared to be a squad player. Should Gana leave then we are looking at two new players in the midfield birth to start games. Gomes for me is not one of them.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 21, 2019, 01:40:00 AM
Agree with you. I feel people over rate Gomes because he looks classy on the ball whereas Davies is underrated because he looks erratic and clumsy.
Both good players
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on March 21, 2019, 03:29:33 AM
Would take him if he's prepared to be a squad player. Should Gana leave then we are looking at two new players in the midfield birth to start games. Gomes for me is not one of them.

Not sure why you'd be looking to spend £20m+ on someone who you'd be looking at as no more than a squad player. We'll have a hard time this summer trying to offload a number of expensive players who are no more than squad fillers, we don't need another that isn't going to bring the quality we need to push us forward. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 21, 2019, 03:43:02 AM
Would you not be looking for someone younger and with a higher ceiling around Europe?

I think he's decent but I don't see him being a difference maker in his position.

Welcome to the party haha.

But yeah I don't really see him as a difference maker and I am very much saying sign him at that price with the proviso that we sign someone else who actually does good stuff, but I think there are some good points to signing him :

You probably could sign someone younger with a higher ceiling for less (billing for example you'd probably get for less than 15), but there's a lot to be said for a player settling into the league and culture of the club. Whatever you can say about Gomes he has settled very well and taken to the club and fans really well. He seems well liked, eg his shoulder bump with Mina after Richarlison goal (if you haven't seen this watch it ASAP ) and in terms of being an ambassador for the club he talks well and seems well regarded.

It can take players up to 2 years to get to that point, so if the price is right and it feels a positive move to the staff and players, and on a personal note frankly he's a very nice player to watch (even if I wish he did more) then I don't mind that. There's bigger mistakes you can make.

Re the statistical argument for Andre gomes - I mean, he's never going to be the player it was thought he could have been, and he's not going to be like a take the game by the scruff of the neck player, but in terms of deep ball progressions per 90 which is a metric used to track effectiveness of midfield players moving the ball up from defensive zones into more impactful ones - he's actually been within the top 20 in Europe's big leagues this season despite not having his best year and playing for a shit side, according to what I've been following, and that is something we've missed since barkley runs and Barry's passing.

If we don't get him I won't be assed because my original prediction was he'd be hounded out by now for being a more handsome but less effective Morgan Schneiderlin, but he's shown enough to me and has a positive enough feeling around the squad to say if the price is right then it won't be a huge mistake.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 21, 2019, 03:52:26 AM
Not 100% related but it was reported that Richarlison wanted to come because he had a bit of a language problem after Marco left ,it is interesting to see they have built a small group now of Portuguese speaking .I am sure it is no coincidence despite Marco being from Portugal it will help them all bed in easier

A good point worth remembering I think.

Brandsy likes signing South Americans, so does silva, also silva likes a little Portuguese connection so keeping a well liked high profile player that other players are comfortable playing with..

What @Mick 1995 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) would probably call a side of football that is not measurable by stats.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 21, 2019, 05:36:19 PM
Yeah, absolutely.

Although, i *do* like stats and have just read through the Keane ones you posted.
I'm just very dubious that any stats are any more than a small part of the decision when it comes to bringing players in for reasons exactly like this.

I think that they should play a bigger part in showing a player the door though. Because whilst those other variables that can't be measured exist, i admit they are only temporary and a season worth of metrics is enough to know if a player is going to gel into your system.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2019, 06:00:07 PM
It he's available for that price then sign him, simple as that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 21, 2019, 06:01:54 PM
Yeah, absolutely.

Although, i *do* like stats and have just read through the Keane ones you posted.
I'm just very dubious that any stats are any more than a small part of the decision when it comes to bringing players in for reasons exactly like this.

I think that they should play a bigger part in showing a player the door though. Because whilst those other variables that can't be measured exist, i admit they are only temporary and a season worth of metrics is enough to know if a player is going to gel into your system.

I know you've your doubts my mate and I'm much more flexible on them these days. Hence why I'm making a case for Andre.

He's a good case study tho right? He looks great, glides about the pitch, brushes people off... But he's 25/26 and now at three clubs of varying sizes and styles he's performed exactly the same way. Lots of dribbles, OK passing, not great creatively or from a goalscoring POV... We got exactly what the stats bods said we would and generally this pans out across players careers.

I know you are of the belief that what a player does on the pitch is mostly dictated by their manager, but when you have several seasons of data you can see stylistic or behavioural patterns that show the players skill set, it's just a fact. Tony Hibbert isn't going to become a multiple player per game dribbler like Dani Alves under pep, in the same way Dani Alves won't be able to do 6 foot slide tackles under Moyes.

Players have abilities and styles and when you know what you need in your side you can recruit someone of that profile and make your recruiting more effective.

If you need to see this in effect please take a look at the league table, or have a look at how the shite are getting on.

Edit: think I've just been having a totally different conversation to you haha sorry mate.

I agree, stats should be a part of the decision not the whole thing. Your eyes, culture fit, personality, age and fitness etc. All important.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 21, 2019, 06:08:12 PM
Haha, i thought we were arguing about something till your edit.

For what it's worth, they have gone up in my estimation this season and i think there are certain decisions made where they are utterly indespensable. To the point where they are amongst the first things i check when linked to a player now.
I still haven't moved from my rigid "Football isn't Baseball" stance though.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on March 21, 2019, 06:17:20 PM
T0 many variables in football for stats to be 100% conclusive, but you're well behind the curve if you dont take them into consideration.

Are there any examples of moneyball type situations in football being successful?

Brentford maybe?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Crackling on March 21, 2019, 07:12:45 PM
He reminds me a bit of Moussa Dembele from Spurs.
Big, strong, technically superb, good dribbler, takes the ball under pressure.....doesn't score or assist many.

I think most people on here would have been happy if we had signed Dembele in his mid 20s.

I'd love to see him sign permanently.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2019, 07:19:56 PM
No idea how reliable this fella is like,

https://twitter.com/charles_stevo/status/1108670647490805761
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on March 21, 2019, 07:30:00 PM
stats don't tell you much, if anything about effectiveness off the ball, such as intelligence of forward runs, making space, defensive positioning etc, so it's impossible to just use stats alone. However, they do help a lot in terms of effectiveness on it, such as passing %, goals, assists etc.

I do think a lot of our players have underperformed this season, and expect better next season. They should have all bedded in properly, and had a lot more stability to push on.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 21, 2019, 07:38:42 PM
He reminds me a bit of Moussa Dembele from Spurs.
Big, strong, technically superb, good dribbler, takes the ball under pressure.....doesn't score or assist many.

I think most people on here would have been happy if we had signed Dembele in his mid 20s.

I'd love to see him sign permanently.
Funny you say that as Spurs are linked with him now
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on March 21, 2019, 07:45:35 PM
No idea how reliable this fella is like,

https://twitter.com/charles_stevo/status/1108670647490805761

Blag account
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on March 21, 2019, 08:24:18 PM
Dembele was a good defender in addition to the dribbles and general pressure resistance.

If Gomes had that in his game, I think I'd be on board.

As is, I'd rather go for Sander Berge if we're looking for a Dembele-esque player. He has the baseline skills, is cheaper, and has way more defensive upside than Gomes.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on March 21, 2019, 08:27:08 PM
Welcome to the party haha.

But yeah I don't really see him as a difference maker and I am very much saying sign him at that price with the proviso that we sign someone else who actually does good stuff, but I think there are some good points to signing him :

You probably could sign someone younger with a higher ceiling for less (billing for example you'd probably get for less than 15), but there's a lot to be said for a player settling into the league and culture of the club. Whatever you can say about Gomes he has settled very well and taken to the club and fans really well. He seems well liked, eg his shoulder bump with Mina after Richarlison goal (if you haven't seen this watch it ASAP ) and in terms of being an ambassador for the club he talks well and seems well regarded.

It can take players up to 2 years to get to that point, so if the price is right and it feels a positive move to the staff and players, and on a personal note frankly he's a very nice player to watch (even if I wish he did more) then I don't mind that. There's bigger mistakes you can make.

Re the statistical argument for Andre gomes - I mean, he's never going to be the player it was thought he could have been, and he's not going to be like a take the game by the scruff of the neck player, but in terms of deep ball progressions per 90 which is a metric used to track effectiveness of midfield players moving the ball up from defensive zones into more impactful ones - he's actually been within the top 20 in Europe's big leagues this season despite not having his best year and playing for a shit side, according to what I've been following, and that is something we've missed since barkley runs and Barry's passing.

If we don't get him I won't be assed because my original prediction was he'd be hounded out by now for being a more handsome but less effective Morgan Schneiderlin, but he's shown enough to me and has a positive enough feeling around the squad to say if the price is right then it won't be a huge mistake.

I just didn't think there was enough evidence to form a proper opinion on him earlier in the season. People were saying 'sign him' or 'no ta' based on three games. I said at the time, let's see how he goes through the winter and through the labours of a full season and get a fuller picture.

And now that's happened, I don't quite think there's enough there to lash a sizeable amount of money on. We've wasted so much money over the last few years, and it's critical that every penny is well considered now. I'd sooner spend £40m on a Richarlison-level player in Gomes' position than £25m on Gomes, personally.

I think you were at the party a bit too early.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on March 21, 2019, 09:12:52 PM
I think you were at the party a bit too early.
I mean these judgements were based on his career to-date, rather than just 3 or 4 games in an Everton shirt.

He's surpassed my expectations, but it's still not quite enough for me for the money talked about.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 21, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
I think that, in the current market, the quoted price is what one will have to play for a reasonably balanced, first XI midfielder.

Especially if we lose Gana, we need someone familiar with our setup to remain.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 21, 2019, 09:33:33 PM
I mean these judgements were based on his career to-date, rather than just 3 or 4 games in an Everton shirt.

He's surpassed my expectations, but it's still not quite enough for me for the money talked about.
For the money talked about? Itís not 1995 mate. Anything around £20m-£25m is a steal, I think.

Gomes, Mina and Bernard will all be so much better next season, having had a pre-season.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on March 21, 2019, 09:45:46 PM
£20-25m plus something like his Barca wage is way too much for someone who's a rotation player at best for an actual good side.

If your scouting team can't do better, sack them all.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on March 21, 2019, 10:04:42 PM
For the money talked about? Itís not 1995 mate. Anything around £20m-£25m is a steal, I think.

Gomes, Mina and Bernard will all be so much better next season, having had a pre-season.


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I mean, I'm never going to think £20m for a player who I don't think is particularly effective is a good deal. You wouldn't either. We just rate him differently.

Apart from dribbling skills, I don't think he offers us anywhere near enough in defence or attack.

We don't have infinite money and, as @Bluedylan (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) suggested, I'd just rather we spent our money on someone with more upside/effect on the scoreline.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 22, 2019, 12:56:14 AM
£20-25m plus something like his Barca wage is way too much for someone who's a rotation player at best for an actual good side.

If your scouting team can't do better, sack them all.
Bollocks, he's been a shinning light in a tactical cluster fuck that has been our midfield all fucking season
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on March 22, 2019, 01:05:35 AM
Imho we would be mental to pass up on a player who has atributes we sorely lack in other players in the midfield .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 22, 2019, 02:51:19 AM
Imho we would be mental to pass up on a player who has atributes we sorely lack in other players in the midfield .

what are they
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on March 22, 2019, 02:55:12 AM
Iím convinced in a balanced midfield he will be ace. Especially at the price quoted and the fact he is making the right signs to stay. He is the number 8 we have been after in my eyes. I think he would absolutely shine with a Gareth Barry type player in there with him and Gana.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 22, 2019, 03:21:29 AM
I enjoy watching him, so Iím kinda in on that level to be honest. Fed up of watching shite for years I just want to enjoy a game of togga now and again.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on March 22, 2019, 04:41:55 AM
Iím convinced in a balanced midfield he will be ace. Especially at the price quoted and the fact he is making the right signs to stay. He is the number 8 we have been after in my eyes. I think he would absolutely shine with a Gareth Barry type player in there with him and Gana.
I guess the question I would ask is on what basis you think this?

He didnít shine in a balanced Barcelona midfield and he didnít particularly shine at Valencia either, what gives you this faith in him?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on March 22, 2019, 01:11:40 PM
I guess the question I would ask is on what basis you think this?

He didnít shine in a balanced Barcelona midfield and he didnít particularly shine at Valencia either, what gives you this faith in him?

Firstly, it can take players from abroad a season to settle in the premiership. A manager will consider that. Roberto Firmino was considered a flop in his first season, 2015. I could name countless others and so could you.

He his not at the level needed to play at Barcelona, the best side in world football arguably, otherwise he wouldnít be here. They also require a particular style of La Masia player that is a rare quality to find. Arthur Melo seems to have it.

Did you watch him at Valencia? He was outstanding. Thatís why Barcelona signed him in the first place. Also, when he signed here, he was the best player for us until after the Derby. He was the best player on the pitch in the Derby and demonstrated qualities we just donít have in the middle of the park.  Keep hold of the ball, skill, can play box to box, strength, can pass the ball forward.

He looked knackered around Christmas at a time he is not used to playing (also hardly used at Barce) and has been part of what looks like an unbalanced side.

He also has good work rate.  Take a look at some of those performances for Valencia and re visit the Derby at Anfield. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on March 22, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
Just noticed he's not in the sky sports power rankings list, swerve him
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on March 22, 2019, 01:30:08 PM
He is also used to taking up an advanced position where he had more time to take players on, play through balls etc.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SE5-H1F1HkQ

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on March 22, 2019, 01:38:26 PM
 :blush:
Nobody needs Andre Gomes.

I do  :blush:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on March 22, 2019, 01:48:35 PM
He is also used to taking up an advanced position where he had more time to take players on, play through balls etc.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SE5-H1F1HkQ




Fuck me! He's a better Siggy than Siggy!

We need to play him further up the pitch. You can have your McCarthy/Schniederlin midfield - just drop Sigurdsson for Gomes.


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Richarlison                                                   Bernard

                                   Gomes

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on March 22, 2019, 01:51:38 PM
I'm convinced in a balanced midfield he will be ace. Especially at the price quoted and the fact he is making the right signs to stay. He is the number 8 we have been after in my eyes. I think he would absolutely shine with a Gareth Barry type player in there with him and Gana.

If he needs a Gana and a Barry to get the best out of him then thereís no point in signing him as we ainít dropping Sig so we need somebody who shines in a midfield two, not a three.

Personally, I donít see an upside on him and as he is right now heís good enough to start for a for a top half team but not a top 6 team so we shouldnít be throwing money at him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on March 22, 2019, 02:39:22 PM
If he needs a Gana and a Barry to get the best out of him then thereís no point in signing him as we ainít dropping Sig so we need somebody who shines in a midfield two, not a three.

Personally, I donít see an upside on him and as he is right now heís good enough to start for a for a top half team but not a top 6 team so we shouldnít be throwing money at him.

Oh come on!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on March 22, 2019, 02:56:14 PM
I reckon sigurddsson is gradually going to be phased out.

Heíll become nothing more than an impact player.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hawkandro on March 22, 2019, 03:48:14 PM
As is, I'd rather go for Sander Berge if we're looking for a Dembele-esque player. He has the baseline skills, is cheaper, and has way more defensive upside than Gomes.

Could they play together? I would like to sign Gomes, but at the same time I think we would have to maybe switch the CM around to get the best out of him?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: dazfrancis on March 22, 2019, 05:32:12 PM
He is also used to taking up an advanced position where he had more time to take players on, play through balls etc.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SE5-H1F1HkQ



Probably worth seeing what damage he could do playing in a more advanced role, based on this.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on March 22, 2019, 06:39:32 PM
He didn't have good creative numbers at valencia or barca so can't imagine them suddenly jumping up.

His use to us is as a link player, dribbling forwards and passing forwards accurately to players in more dangerous positions.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on March 22, 2019, 07:08:21 PM
He didn't have good creative numbers at valencia or barca so can't imagine them suddenly jumping up.

His use to us is as a link player, dribbling forwards and passing forwards accurately to players in more dangerous positions.

But service hasn't been great for attacking players in the real danger areas so why not move him up?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 22, 2019, 07:39:29 PM
As is, I'd rather go for Sander Berge if we're looking for a Dembele-esque player. He has the baseline skills, is cheaper, and has way more defensive upside than Gomes.

Watch a lot of Genk games then yeah?

Seriously doubt it somehow.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on March 22, 2019, 07:51:12 PM
what are they

1)Comfort on the ball (sorely lacking )
and a huge requirement in any midfield .
2)ability to hold off a player or two

3)a range of passing

4)ability to go past a man using strength or guile.

Spot me another in our line up can do all of these ...in a good day Davies might get two out the four , he may get to Gomes level i hope over time but he's not there yet .

We have nobody of the same ilk. ..we could do with a couple in reality .

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: van der Meyde on March 22, 2019, 08:36:14 PM
Firstly, it can take players from abroad a season to settle in the premiership. A manager will consider that. Roberto Firmino was considered a flop in his first season, 2015. I could name countless others and so could you.

He his not at the level needed to play at Barcelona, the best side in world football arguably, otherwise he wouldnít be here. They also require a particular style of La Masia player that is a rare quality to find. Arthur Melo seems to have it.

Did you watch him at Valencia? He was outstanding. Thatís why Barcelona signed him in the first place. Also, when he signed here, he was the best player for us until after the Derby. He was the best player on the pitch in the Derby and demonstrated qualities we just donít have in the middle of the park.  Keep hold of the ball, skill, can play box to box, strength, can pass the ball forward.

He looked knackered around Christmas at a time he is not used to playing (also hardly used at Barce) and has been part of what looks like an unbalanced side.

He also has good work rate.  Take a look at some of those performances for Valencia and re visit the Derby at Anfield. 
Fair enough.

I did watch him at Valencia, I just didn't really think he was particularly effective there either. I've just gone back and watched a couple of his Youtubes from his time there. He just doesn't do it for me right now.

It's not that I don't think he has talent, I just don't think he does enough with it. I did criticise Gueye quite a lot last season too though but think he's mostly been excellent this season, so hopefully the same happens again.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on March 22, 2019, 09:06:50 PM
Inter interested (Milan, not Miami!)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on March 22, 2019, 11:24:16 PM
Inter interested (Milan, not Miami!)
I think he'd turn down most clubs for Everton at the moment.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bluenuck on March 23, 2019, 10:38:01 AM
Watch a lot of Genk games then yeah?

Seriously doubt it somehow.

He doesnít.

Berge is a well known name around the stats bomb guys and football manager worlds.

Heís Just regurgitating it all. Never comes up with anyone really new that no ones ever talked about, but comes across looking brilliant naming names like Berge and akanji.

in reality these guys are tough to get after theyíve become known about. Berge has been linked with arsenal before. Heíd go there in a heartbeat before us.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 23, 2019, 02:54:54 PM
He may not watch Genk games but how do you two knobs know he doesnít?

Thereís this thing called the internet and you can stream all sorts of games from all sorts of countries. Thereís even sites that facilitate the watching of highlights of all sorts of games around the globe.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 23, 2019, 03:23:46 PM
He may not watch Genk games but how do you two knobs know he doesnít?

Thereís this thing called the internet and you can stream all sorts of games from all sorts of countries. Thereís even sites that facilitate the watching of highlights of all sorts of games around the globe.

I asked him if he did if you care to read the post properly.

Thanks for your input though, it was excellent.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 23, 2019, 04:39:25 PM
I asked him if he did if you care to read the post properly.

Thanks for your input though, it was excellent.

No you made your usual snide remark and then the knob who quoted you answered the lad on his behalf.

Letís not pretend that you were actually asking if he watched Genk games - we all know from your posts that you were being a bellend.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 23, 2019, 05:22:56 PM
No you made your usual snide remark and then the knob who quoted you answered the lad on his behalf.

Letís not pretend that you were actually asking if he watched Genk games - we all know from your posts that you were being a bellend.

I asked him if he watched Genk games as he keeps bleating on about a lad that plays for them.

I also then stated that I don't believe that he actually watches any Genk games because, and let's be fucking honest, nobody watches that league.

Back in your box.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2019, 06:05:58 PM
I asked him if he watched Genk games as he keeps bleating on about a lad that plays for them.

I also then stated that I don't believe that he actually watches any Genk games because, and let's be fucking honest, nobody watches that league.

Back in your box.

Why are you arsed?

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 23, 2019, 06:13:11 PM
Why are you arsed?

Not arsed in the slightest, just curious to see if he's actually watched the kid play before repeatedly telling us how he's the potential answer to our prayers.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: kramer0 on March 23, 2019, 07:20:33 PM
Of course I've barely seen him play and only know him because of his stats.

I'm not a professional scout, I'm some guy on an internet forum.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 23, 2019, 09:34:42 PM
Not arsed in the slightest, just curious to see if he's actually watched the kid play before repeatedly telling us how he's the potential answer to our prayers.

Coulda fooled me. Pretty much each of your posts i see on here is you stressing out and giving it the bifftas.

Iíll go find my box.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 24, 2019, 01:27:59 AM
Canít we all just get along


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 31, 2019, 04:34:07 AM
Awsum passing display today, we must get him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on March 31, 2019, 05:40:22 AM
Fucking awesome today .....the lad Gomes needs signing soon as . :thumbsup:

Also like to see the snide in him coming out a bit . :thumbsup: just what we need .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: charlatan on March 31, 2019, 02:34:41 PM
Lad on twitter was saying Moshiri and Ryantsev were there yesterday, and that agent Kia Joorabchin (sp?) was their guest (he's Gomes agent by all accounts)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 02, 2019, 03:30:48 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1112990986211418114
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on April 02, 2019, 03:38:23 PM
I'm a little torn. He delivers pretty average performances in the main but every so often, like in the derby and at weekend, he pulls out a worldie and makes people sit up and think he'd be cheap at twice the quoted price.

I do think though that the current front three in these positions, with their movement and guile, will bring the best out of him. He can now look up and see a pass whereas beforehand he had either Richarlison dropping deep or Walcott ambling around not offering much penetration. The change of position seems to suit Richarlison and has reignited some enthusiasm and Bernard seems to have upped his game too. A genuine run of games for DCL won't harm his development either. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 02, 2019, 04:45:20 PM
Watching him power forward at the weekend was a string I didn't know his bow had. ...we would be remiss if we pass up on him ...but we need more than one in the middle of his ilk .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 02, 2019, 04:49:18 PM
Very happy to get him signed at an appropriate price, but think we will still need a creative CM and a replacement for Gueye.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on April 05, 2019, 10:01:41 PM
Very happy to get him signed at an appropriate price, but think we will still need a creative CM and a replacement for Gueye.

Would like to see Gomes and Gueye (or more likely Gueye's replacement) with Vlasic in front of them.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on April 05, 2019, 10:24:49 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1112990986211418114

Not a very catchy chant
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Tinga on April 05, 2019, 10:41:25 PM
Rumours of Spurs wanting him..
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 05, 2019, 11:20:49 PM
As @Tinga (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1082) says ,Spurs looking to ''snatch''  him..............
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/04/05/tottenham-looking-snatch-30m-rated-andre-gomes-noses-everton/
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 05, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Gomes, Keane, Gana, Richarlison - going?

Pickford, next
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 05, 2019, 11:35:34 PM
As @Tinga (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1082) says ,Spurs looking to ''snatch''  him..............
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/04/05/tottenham-looking-snatch-30m-rated-andre-gomes-noses-everton/

Tom Davies likes this . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 05, 2019, 11:37:27 PM
Gomes, Keane, Gana, Richarlison - going?

Pickford, next

Have a day off
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on April 06, 2019, 12:07:27 AM
I have a feeling weíve already sorted Gomes for next season
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 06, 2019, 12:08:12 AM
I have a feeling we've already sorted Gomes for next season
I'd bet my house on it
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 06, 2019, 12:13:49 AM
Staying here

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 06, 2019, 01:27:58 AM
Notice our favourite salesman, Matt Law, fails to attribute the Gomes quote where he mentions how happy he is to be at Everton whilst trying to flog ANOTHER of our players (albeit on-loan) to a Top 4 team.

Odd that...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gash on April 07, 2019, 10:25:26 PM
I was starting to wonder about him but the last few games have shown how his stats don't always stack up well. It's often what he does deeper in the park, picking up the ball, winning it, protecting it then making the pass or drawing a foul. That and a couple of his long passes were superb today. He'll never be a player who's game is built on goals and assists but it doesn't mean he isn't very good.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2019, 10:27:48 PM
I was starting to wonder about him but the last few games have shown how his stats don't always stack up well. It's often what he does deeper in the park, picking up the ball, winning it, protecting it then making the pass or drawing a foul. That and a couple of his long passes were superb today. He'll never be a player who's game is built on goals and assists but it doesn't mean he isn't very good.

I think his style is bringing out creativity in others. Sigurdsson, Richarlison and Calvert Lewin all seem to be benefitting.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 07, 2019, 10:29:26 PM
He's superb, we need to sign him
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 07, 2019, 10:30:26 PM
I think his style is bringing out creativity in others. Sigurdsson, Richarlison and Calvert Lewin all seem to be benefitting.
Heís got a touch of Dembťlť about him.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blue1948 on April 07, 2019, 10:33:22 PM
Today shows how stats can be so misleading
We had less possession Bernard done fuck all ,Coleman done fuck all ,in fact no one did fuck all except the oldest scorer in the prem. this season .I rest my case .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 07, 2019, 10:38:41 PM
Heís got a touch of Dembťlť about him.


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Very good comparison that.

He was another player whoís stats across the park were less than impressive but anyone could see what a great player he was.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2019, 10:38:56 PM
Heís got a touch of Dembťlť about him.


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He holds it and drives forward like Dembťlť for sure
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cozzie on April 07, 2019, 10:57:21 PM
It's like he never loses the ball.

It's one of my favorite things about his style.

Deffo think game by game it's becoming more apparent we need to sign him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 07, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
I was starting to wonder about him but the last few games have shown how his stats don't always stack up well. It's often what he does deeper in the park, picking up the ball, winning it, protecting it then making the pass or drawing a foul. That and a couple of his long passes were superb today. He'll never be a player who's game is built on goals and assists but it doesn't mean he isn't very good.

I think he can still be more progressive with his passing sometimes, I know it doesn't seem like it but he doesn't pass forward very often during a game compared to average prem midfielders, but he does clearly have the quality to do so when you look at some of them switches in play today.

But what can you say, maybe another midfielder with that sort of passing or gylfi increasing his passes would sort it, and you have to say when he's on song he's a joy to watch.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on April 07, 2019, 11:07:03 PM
As @Rhys (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=366) said to me today, itís like the games in slow motion (in a good way) when heís playing.

One of the most intangibles in football is finding players who fit the environment, both of the club but also the league in general.

I think he does that with physicality, ability to use both feet and time on the ball.

Calming the hurly burly of the PL is very difficult and should be considered when looking at stats from players from different leagues.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: 74Blue on April 07, 2019, 11:14:42 PM
As @Rhys (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=366) said to me today, itís like the games in slow motion (in a good way) when heís playing.

One of the most intangibles in football is finding players who fit the environment, both of the club but also the league in general.

I think he does that with physicality, ability to use both feet and time on the ball.

Calming the hurly burly of the PL is very difficult and should be considered when looking at stats from players from different leagues.
That pretty much hits the nail on the head when analysing Gomes. It looks effortless and he just oozes class. Having someone like Gana next to him to do all the dirty work helps him immensely, but give him the ball and you can pretty much guarantee  it going straight to another royal blue shirt.
If we can secure him permanently in the summer and get him a full pre-season, I think he will be an absolute bargain.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 07, 2019, 11:18:27 PM
As @Rhys (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=366) said to me today, itís like the games in slow motion (in a good way) when heís playing.

One of the most intangibles in football is finding players who fit the environment, both of the club but also the league in general.

I think he does that with physicality, ability to use both feet and time on the ball.

Calming the hurly burly of the PL is very difficult and should be considered when looking at stats from players from different leagues.

Re your second paragraph I do agree, finding someone who buys into the manager and seems to fit the culture and dressing room, hard to put a financial or statistical figure on it but it's so important.

We just need to make sure that open play creativity comes from somewhere, because it is still an issue.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 07, 2019, 11:23:02 PM
I'm amazed that some Everton fans don't rate him, absolutely clueless. We need to sign him, we have to sign him, simple as that really
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on April 07, 2019, 11:24:02 PM
Re your second paragraph I do agree, finding someone who buys into the manager and seems to fit the culture and dressing room, hard to put a financial or statistical figure on it but it's so important.

We just need to make sure that open play creativity comes from somewhere, because it is still an issue.

Yes, just something I think that decision makers will be aware of.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on April 08, 2019, 12:31:27 AM
People saying Gueye next to him his doing all the dirty work isnt giving enough respect the the sheer amount of off the ball work Gomes does.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on April 08, 2019, 12:35:15 AM
This shows why we need to sign him. We have been crying out for a physical number 8 who can dictate the tempo of a game and stand head and shoulders above the opposition. (Liverpool away, Arsenal at home) This is a key factor in our record against the top 6. Games won in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on April 08, 2019, 12:46:15 AM
Saw the other day that heíd lost the ball 3rd most times in PL.

Was behind Barkley and Pogba, but that suggested players that are prepared to take the ball and move with it in the most congested part of the pitch
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: 74Blue on April 08, 2019, 12:51:20 AM
People saying Gueye next to him his doing all the dirty work isnt giving enough respect the the sheer amount of off the ball work Gomes does.
It doesn't go completely unnoticed,  but Gana does complement him perfectly in the middle. He's a proper little terrier, constantly battling away winning tackle after tackle, and that does give Gomes a lot more chance to show his class with the ball at his feet.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on April 08, 2019, 12:52:16 AM
It's like he never loses the ball.

It's one of my favorite things about his style.

Deffo think game by game it's becoming more apparent we need to sign him.

True, but game by game I reckon his price goes up a couple of million, hope we are willing to pay 40 odd million for him ?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 08, 2019, 12:57:06 AM
Saw the other day that heíd lost the ball 3rd most times in PL.

Was behind Barkley and Pogba, but that suggested players that are prepared to take the ball and move with it in the most congested part of the pitch

Saw a similar stat about Richarlison.

He was behind zaha and Salah so I disregarded it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 08, 2019, 12:58:54 AM
True, but game by game I reckon his price goes up a couple of million, hope we are willing to pay 40 odd million for him ?

That doesnít happen.

A few good performances wonít hike up his value.

Itíll be boxed for the 20-25 mil mooted when we signed him
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: 74Blue on April 08, 2019, 12:59:44 AM
True, but game by game I reckon his price goes up a couple of million, hope we are willing to pay 40 odd million for him ?
You would hope that we have already held some dicussions with Barcelona about his future, and that we would already have a pretty good idea of their asking price. In an ideal world, we'd already have the deal agreed in principle, with just a couple of signatures required to make it happen as soon as the window opens. The player has made it quite clear that he's happy to stay, we want him to stay, Barcelona want him off their hands, so the deal is there to be done.
The way that Brands has conducted his business so far suggests that he is smart enough to have already asked the question of Barcelona and it's probably just a formality now.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on April 08, 2019, 01:00:03 AM
Saw a similar stat about Richarlison.

He was behind zaha and Salah so I disregarded it.

Being willing to keep going is a massive asset to have.

Itís not just blind optimism but it is very hard to keep going when the crowd starts moaning.

Zaha can do what he wants at Palace but players for us get hammered for stuff like that, so itís encouraging of players get through it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 08, 2019, 01:13:01 AM
Saw the other day that heíd lost the ball 3rd most times in PL.

Was behind Barkley and Pogba, but that suggested players that are prepared to take the ball and move with it in the most congested part of the pitch

He also will take 4 touches when 2 will do a lot because he is so good at evading pressure that he likes to invite it on.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on April 08, 2019, 01:15:44 AM
That doesnít happen.

A few good performances wonít hike up his value.

Itíll be boxed for the 20-25 mil mooted when we signed him

He would be an absolute snip at 20-30 million compared to Koemans signings 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 08, 2019, 01:16:47 AM
Saw a similar stat about Richarlison.

He was behind zaha and Salah so I disregarded it.

Seen the same, I think it matches the eye tho to be fair. The situations in which those players lose the ball is slightly different but not a million miles away.

Think Richarlison has been a lot better on the ball recently though, burgeoning connection with Coleman too. Looking for each other constantly, and no matter how Richarlison plays he always finds a way to sniff out at least one good chance.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on April 08, 2019, 01:20:49 AM
He also will take 4 touches when 2 will do a lot because he is so good at evading pressure that he likes to invite it on.


Yes - choosing to believe that this will phase out with more awareness of PL wildness.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on April 08, 2019, 01:37:03 AM
Seen the same, I think it matches the eye tho to be fair. The situations in which those players lose the ball is slightly different but not a million miles away.

Think Richarlison has been a lot better on the ball recently though, burgeoning connection with Coleman too. Looking for each other constantly, and no matter how Richarlison plays he always finds a way to sniff out at least one good chance.

Bernard's great but I reckon Richarlison is always going to be that player that can win you the game. Like a Mirallas x10
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on April 08, 2019, 01:42:05 AM
I was starting to wonder about him but the last few games have shown how his stats don't always stack up well. It's often what he does deeper in the park, picking up the ball, winning it, protecting it then making the pass or drawing a foul. That and a couple of his long passes were superb today. He'll never be a player who's game is built on goals and assists but it doesn't mean he isn't very good.

Itís almost as if people need to watch a player rather than base things on stats.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 08, 2019, 01:46:50 AM
Bernard's great but I reckon Richarlison is always going to be that player that can win you the game. Like a Mirallas x10

Really good comparison and I can see him being that sort of Mirallas / Arnautovic player in the future (Arnie being Mirallas on steds).
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 08, 2019, 01:47:10 AM
Itís almost as if people need to watch a player rather than base things on stats.

Y not both
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 08, 2019, 01:49:59 AM
Itís almost as if people need to watch a player rather than base things on stats.

Just love the way he cruises round the pitch breaking shit up turning players and finding quality passes also has the twat snide in him...fuck the stats get him signed imho.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on April 08, 2019, 01:50:54 AM
Y not both

Iím only teasing mate.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on April 08, 2019, 04:43:06 AM
Re your second paragraph I do agree, finding someone who buys into the manager and seems to fit the culture and dressing room, hard to put a financial or statistical figure on it but it's so important.

We just need to make sure that open play creativity comes from somewhere, because it is still an issue.

We certainly created enough from open play today. 26 shots was it?

The balance has looked bad all season, especially with Sigurdsonís influence, but itís looking a lot better lately. Hard to say exactly what it is thatís changed, the whole team just looks far better.

Strange game isnít it.. could be that DCLs form is the catalyst we needed. Could be a change in the training camp. Fuck knows, but long may it continue.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 08, 2019, 04:57:51 AM
Sign him. Them long switches were breathtaking. Watched it with a few lads, and my Spurs mate said he would love to sign him for their midfield. I dropped in the 'he's looking for a house on Merseyside' line to nip that one in the bud (hopefully).
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on April 08, 2019, 04:59:15 AM
Proper midfielder general. Got it all. Getting fully acclimatised in the prem now as well. Genuine top quality.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on April 08, 2019, 08:09:32 AM
He's almost been too good as regards other clubs taking notice lately, hope Everton has got in his bones, suits us so well, would be a big blow to lose his influence but i think we'll go all out to secure him, hopefully anyway.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 08, 2019, 04:45:02 PM
He's almost been too good as regards other clubs taking notice lately, hope Everton has got in his bones, suits us so well, would be a big blow to lose his influence but i think we'll go all out to secure him, hopefully anyway.

Be fucking gutted if we miss out on him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TrevorSteven on April 08, 2019, 05:18:07 PM
He's almost been too good as regards other clubs taking notice lately, hope Everton has got in his bones, suits us so well, would be a big blow to lose his influence but i think we'll go all out to secure him, hopefully anyway.

I do not think that he will get too much attention from other clubs of following reasons:

1. He came to Everton after a horrible time at Barcelona. Gomes knows everything about how a bad spell is destroying life and for him every other move than to Everton would risk the upturn he has got at Goodision.

2. Even though he is a fantastic player he has some limitations to his game making him less attractive for top teams. He is lacking pace making it look like his work-rate is not that good. That will rule him out of most top teams maybe except Manchester City. He is linked with Tottenham but for me Andre Gomes is no Pocchetino-player.

I feel confident he is gonna stay - but without Idrissa (or someone like him) he will fade I think. For me Idrissa is the real gem in our squad...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on April 08, 2019, 05:36:01 PM
Best I've seen him play yesterday, If Gana stays and we can add someone more pacey and creative in Siggys (cough lookman cough) position, we'd have an awesome 3.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 08, 2019, 08:20:26 PM
Best I've seen him play yesterday, If Gana stays and we can add someone more pacey and creative in Siggys (cough lookman cough) position, we'd have an awesome 3.

I am hopeful that we at least rotate a bit next season, using Lookman and (if work permit gets done) Onyekuru.  Keep everyone fresh, maybe push on in at least one of the Cups, be more protected against one injury fucking us sideways.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MexicanToffee on April 08, 2019, 08:51:18 PM


Strange game isnít it.. could be that DCLs form is the catalyst we needed. Could be a change in the training camp. Fuck knows, but long may it continue.


I think you have hit the nail on the head. His running on and off the ball has improved exponentially. The pressure he is putting on the opposing defence, drawing them out of position and just being a thorn in their side has had a significant impact.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on April 08, 2019, 09:53:18 PM
I'm not concerned about him not joining, I think it's probably already close to being in the bag - he loves Everton, and the problems he had at barca were from being under pressure at an elite level club,  I don't think he'll take that chance again after suffering a bit from mental health, Evertons the perfect club for people struggling like that
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: bigmanbob on April 08, 2019, 10:04:20 PM
I'd never second guess what a modern footballer will do now a days, they live on a different planet, just get him signed up ASAP and this uncertainty goes away, same goes for Zouma
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on April 08, 2019, 10:54:50 PM
I do not think that he will get too much attention from other clubs of following reasons:

1. He came to Everton after a horrible time at Barcelona. Gomes knows everything about how a bad spell is destroying life and for him every other move than to Everton would risk the upturn he has got at Goodision.

2. Even though he is a fantastic player he has some limitations to his game making him less attractive for top teams. He is lacking pace making it look like his work-rate is not that good. That will rule him out of most top teams maybe except Manchester City. He is linked with Tottenham but for me Andre Gomes is no Pocchetino-player.

I feel confident he is gonna stay - but without Idrissa (or someone like him) he will fade I think. For me Idrissa is the real gem in our squad...

About right this. However good Gomes is, Gueye is the one we will miss more than anyone, and is going to be awfully hard to replace if he goes.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on April 09, 2019, 12:04:31 AM
Gana has improved a lot this year, maybe with improved results he might just stay
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: NickNack on April 09, 2019, 12:12:05 AM
Can we actually sign Gomes now with him being on loan? If Wolves can do it with Jiminez....

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11684030/raul-jimenez-completes-permanent-wolves-move
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on April 09, 2019, 12:38:44 AM
Can we actually sign Gomes now with him being on loan? If Wolves can do it with Jiminez....

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11684030/raul-jimenez-completes-permanent-wolves-move

If the loan deal was with an option to buy then yes, if it was just a straight loan deal without an option then no, donít know the details of Gomes loan.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on April 09, 2019, 03:20:22 AM
Can we actually sign Gomes now with him being on loan? If Wolves can do it with Jiminez....

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11684030/raul-jimenez-completes-permanent-wolves-move

There was no option to buy when we first got him, probably because we rushed it through, or maybe Barca wanted to see how he did before agreeing a price.

It would be nice to think we sorted a fee in January.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 09, 2019, 11:33:41 PM
Good read this ...sounds happy to me .

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2019/04/09/gomes


Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 10, 2019, 12:22:01 AM
the back stage pass -video is boss as well
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: NickNack on April 12, 2019, 01:11:22 AM
Good read this ...sounds happy to me .

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2019/04/09/gomes
Some impressive stats there...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Confucius on April 12, 2019, 01:18:47 PM
I am going out on a limb here but he is the best player we have had at Everton in 20 years.

Only Lukaku comes close  I reckon.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on April 12, 2019, 02:23:38 PM
I am going out on a limb here but he is the best player we have had at Everton in 20 years.

Only Lukaku comes close  I reckon.

There are a few that spring to mind - Rooney, Stones, Lukaku, Arteta. I rate Gomes v highly though and is definitely in that bunch.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 12, 2019, 03:00:49 PM
I am going out on a limb here but he is the best player we have had at Everton in 20 years.

Only Lukaku comes close  I reckon.

Nah, long, long way to go before he can be considered with the likes of Pienaar, arteta, Baines and Jags.

Wouldnít even say heís better than Gareth Barry was for us so far.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 12, 2019, 03:41:54 PM
Heís not the best player in the current team. Gueye is
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: pjk on April 12, 2019, 04:06:21 PM
It would be great if we could sign him. No matter where he is on the best player list. Apart from the few games where he had a blip, he's been exceptional. It also seems he likes it here. Which is an obvious plus. Spurs are sniffing around though, which is a worry, as they're  better placed for some overdue success???
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Confucius on April 12, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
Nah, long, long way to go before he can be considered with the likes of Pienaar, arteta, Baines and Jags.

Wouldnít even say heís better than Gareth Barry was for us so far.

I absolutely love him. He has all the tools. We so much better when he plays
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Omar on April 12, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
Heís not the best player in the current team. Gueye is

I get a little twitch thinking about Bernard too.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 12, 2019, 11:53:00 PM
I'd have to say Arteta and Lukaku are still the gold standard, for "modern" times.  Gomes not quite there.

My player of the season is still Digne or Zouma.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on April 13, 2019, 01:31:58 AM
Baines the best player over recent times.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 13, 2019, 01:37:54 AM
Good to see nobody is getting carried away.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 13, 2019, 02:08:25 AM
Good to see nobody is getting carried away.

After playing like he did b Arsenal and his all important 'stats ' being good too I'm suprised you havnt got a small inni semi on for him this week Brap   :snigger:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 13, 2019, 04:05:08 AM
After playing like he did b Arsenal and his all important 'stats ' being good too I'm suprised you havnt got a small inni semi on for him this week Brap   :snigger:

He was absolutely brilliant I thought yeah.

Might need a bit more before I am calling him the best player we've had in decades like.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 13, 2019, 04:44:37 AM
Baines was one of the best left backs Iíve seen play. Wonderful footballer.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 13, 2019, 05:40:18 AM
Baines was one of the best left backs Iíve seen play. Wonderful footballer.

The best Iíve seen play. No contest.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: irishtoffee on April 13, 2019, 06:37:42 AM
Daily star linking Spurs with a £30m bid for him
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Confucius on April 13, 2019, 09:24:05 AM
He is everything you would want in a footballer, strong, smart, technical ability, a dribbler, hard in the tackle, super handsome and humble and gives back to the community.

What a man!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Confucius on April 14, 2019, 08:06:42 AM
I told you guys he is no good. Inconsistent and only gets up for the big games. Flash in the pan. Wouldnít spend $10M on him

For all of you wondering WTF, just being a typical Evertonian
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on April 14, 2019, 12:12:24 PM
I told you guys he is no good. Inconsistent and only gets up for the big games. Flash in the pan. Wouldnít spend $10M on him

For all of you wondering WTF, just being a typical Evertonian
Firmly put back in our place.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on April 14, 2019, 02:16:40 PM
Daily star linking Spurs with a £30m bid for him

I hope im wrong, but i honestly think this is where he'll end up!! :(
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Polledreng on April 14, 2019, 03:35:49 PM
He needs to talk to someone about his temperÖ..  could have walked against Arsenal (should have walked against Bournemouth) and that stamp yesterday on Mitrovic was out of order.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 14, 2019, 04:58:38 PM
He needs to talk to someone about his temperÖ..  could have walked against Arsenal (should have walked against Bournemouth) and that stamp yesterday on Mitrovic was out of order.
.................could be facing retrospective action for that stamp
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 14, 2019, 05:08:59 PM
I like that heís got a bit of needle
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 14, 2019, 05:14:29 PM
Said in the match thread. He will get done for it,. Only needs the likes of talksport , sky and the cunt Tony Gale going on about it and highlight it . Will be on ref watch on sky on Monday so be prepared for a charge/ retrospective ban
Loads get away with it , it only when the media etc show it over and over that the fa take notice.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on April 14, 2019, 08:08:22 PM
He needs to talk to someone about his temperÖ..  could have walked against Arsenal (should have walked against Bournemouth) and that stamp yesterday on Mitrovic was out of order.

You knocking him for having a bit of something about him?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Polledreng on April 14, 2019, 10:35:09 PM
You knocking him for having a bit of something about him?
Knocking him for doing stupid things like stamping a player clearly better than him on the day. Should use his energy like Reid or Parkinson or Gravesen for that matter.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 15, 2019, 01:52:19 AM
What the fuck.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on April 15, 2019, 02:36:37 AM
Itís definitely not good that the ďred mistĒ descends quickly. Thereís been times heís looked a liability during games when weíve had our backs to the wall and needed to dig. Nothing wrong with being competitive but heís looked out of control a few times.

Not sure how he was at Valencia before his failed move though so Iíve assumed heís just trying to hard and he could settle down with this.   
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 15, 2019, 02:43:51 AM
He's got bigger issues like
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on April 15, 2019, 04:17:10 PM
He's got bigger issues like

What do you think they are?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 15, 2019, 04:35:01 PM
I'm made up that he's got a bit of needle about him, nothing wrong with that at all
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 15, 2019, 04:38:22 PM
What do you think they are?

Well he's created less chances this year than declan rice who's basically a 20 odd year old centre half playing DM for a worse side than us. I know it's not his job because he's playing DM for us but as a comparison vs players in his position, he's objectively bad at it and I don't know why because he clearly can pass and dribble.

He's quite bad defensively, and although it doesn't seem like it because he's so calm in possession, he gives the ball away a lot in dangerous areas, as well as fouls. Against arsenal, arguably his best performance for us and a genuinely good one, no player on the pitch misplaced more passes in their own half, or gave away more fouls in their own half, or got dribbled past more.

Don't want to be slagging him off because I'm much more bought in to him than I originally was, and I do think his temper will land him with a red card soon but partly I think it's frustration at himself. He's clearly a bit sensitive and he seems to boil over when it's not going his way or he gets shut down.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on April 15, 2019, 10:15:30 PM
I'm made up that he's got a bit of needle about him, nothing wrong with that at all


Needle is fine, but going in really late on a player, is very dangerous.. we've had Coleman who has been out for a year cos of a similar challenge on him..
to me it seems like his needle is there when we play shit, I love rough/hard tackling.. i use to love Horne/Ebbrel and Parkinson, hence why i'd like to see more of McCarthy.. that being said, they all go for the ball, if you go in for a strong challange and miss the ball and get the player oh well.. going in for the player after the ball has been passed on is pretty cowardly. theres a big difference there.

shame some of our fans cant see what Gomes did, and credit him for his needle,. when its actually very cowardly.
The fulham player could have had a serious injury or broken part of his leg/foot.

but its ok cos he has needle. smh

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 15, 2019, 11:11:23 PM
so no ban coming yet? surprised very surprised
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 15, 2019, 11:18:27 PM

Needle is fine, but going in really late on a player, is very dangerous.. we've had Coleman who has been out for a year cos of a similar challenge on him..
to me it seems like his needle is there when we play shit, I love rough/hard tackling.. i use to love Horne/Ebbrel and Parkinson, hence why i'd like to see more of McCarthy.. that being said, they all go for the ball, if you go in for a strong challange and miss the ball and get the player oh well.. going in for the player after the ball has been passed on is pretty cowardly. theres a big difference there.

shame some of our fans cant see what Gomes did, and credit him for his needle,. when its actually very cowardly.
The fulham player could have had a serious injury or broken part of his leg/foot.

but its ok cos he has needle. smh



Just point out the bit where I said it's ok? It wasn't a great tackle, did be mean it, who knows. Happens in most games. By needle I mean someone who isn't scared of getting stuck in, doesn't shy away from a tackle
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 15, 2019, 11:52:57 PM
Well he's created less chances this year than declan rice who's basically a 20 odd year old centre half playing DM for a worse side than us. I know it's not his job because he's playing DM for us but as a comparison vs players in his position, he's objectively bad at it and I don't know why because he clearly can pass and dribble.

He's quite bad defensively, and although it doesn't seem like it because he's so calm in possession, he gives the ball away a lot in dangerous areas, as well as fouls. Against arsenal, arguably his best performance for us and a genuinely good one, no player on the pitch misplaced more passes in their own half, or gave away more fouls in their own half, or got dribbled past more.

Don't want to be slagging him off because I'm much more bought in to him than I originally was, and I do think his temper will land him with a red card soon but partly I think it's frustration at himself. He's clearly a bit sensitive and he seems to boil over when it's not going his way or he gets shut down.

He plays with an arrogance that says he thinks he wonít ever lose the ball. When heís playing well it looks fantastic. When heís off through like you say he loses time and time again in really poor areas

I really think he flatters to deceive. Heís pleasing on the eye but doesnít do enough of anything
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on April 16, 2019, 12:22:39 AM
Been banned for 3 games

Didn't see the game on Saturday, but the inconsistency from the FA is a joke. Everton are an easy target to them.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 16, 2019, 12:41:49 AM
Arise sir Thomas Davies of West Derby parish.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 16, 2019, 12:48:26 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47941333
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 16, 2019, 01:15:11 AM
Been banned for 3 games

Didn't see the game on Saturday, but the inconsistency from the FA is a joke. Everton are an easy target to them.
Never in doubt that
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 16, 2019, 01:40:01 AM
Doesnít showing a bit of needle count as mitigating circumstances?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 16, 2019, 01:52:54 AM
Ah well, back for the spurs game then
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on April 16, 2019, 01:57:06 AM
Well he's created less chances this year than declan rice who's basically a 20 odd year old centre half playing DM for a worse side than us. I know it's not his job because he's playing DM for us but as a comparison vs players in his position, he's objectively bad at it and I don't know why because he clearly can pass and dribble.

He's quite bad defensively, and although it doesn't seem like it because he's so calm in possession, he gives the ball away a lot in dangerous areas, as well as fouls. Against arsenal, arguably his best performance for us and a genuinely good one, no player on the pitch misplaced more passes in their own half, or gave away more fouls in their own half, or got dribbled past more.

Don't want to be slagging him off because I'm much more bought in to him than I originally was, and I do think his temper will land him with a red card soon but partly I think it's frustration at himself. He's clearly a bit sensitive and he seems to boil over when it's not going his way or he gets shut down.

Get out of here with your reasonable criticism backed up with a sprinkling of stats.

Heís a handsome lad so we should obviously be splurging £30m on him
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 16, 2019, 02:01:40 AM
Get out of here with your reasonable criticism backed up with a sprinkling of stats.

Heís a handsome lad so we should obviously be splurging £30m on him

Don't forget his hair, it's spectacular
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on April 16, 2019, 04:19:49 AM
Three game ban, never in doubt really
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 16, 2019, 04:22:46 AM
Anyone else find it strange the way other players get away with lot worse?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 16, 2019, 04:31:52 AM
Anyone else find it strange the way other players get away with lot worse?

Do they really though?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 16, 2019, 04:45:14 AM
Do they really though?

They seem to, quite a few examples this season
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 16, 2019, 04:54:25 AM
I canít think of many examples to be fair.

Havenít seen this but Iím assuming it was a stamp away from the ball?

Itís a lot different than a bad tackle thatís a bit over the top.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 16, 2019, 05:07:22 AM
They seem to, quite a few examples this season

Name 2 that were so blatant, deliberate and stupid...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gash on April 16, 2019, 05:12:19 AM
No complaints if he gets a ban. It's a bad enough challenge if was mistimed, the fact it looks like it was deliberate makes it worse.

Nothing to do with whether anyone else gets away with it (can't remember too many more blatent stamps) he'll get punshed and can't really complain. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 16, 2019, 06:15:37 AM
agree with most of what has been said -  blatant , stupid etc , but would have to look at other matches- to see if any others-  but i reckon there has been numerous  missed by the refs-( and not highlighted)   it just seems its ok its only little  Everton again  we can pick on them,         last season Kane and Ali got away with reckless challenges on City players in one game--------------

but Gomes was stupid ,  just hate all the Pundits , commentators beating us with a stick

Can't wait for VAR and all the slow motion sending off's
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mac934 on April 16, 2019, 08:41:08 AM
If it's a 3 match ban, that may well have been his last full game for us. If we play well in the next three matches and he doesn't make the 11 in the Spurs game. Shame really to end his loan that way.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hesmenos on April 16, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
Watching Mitrovic bullying our center backs, I was hoping somebody would smash him to put him in his place. What Gomes does though is over the top. He has gone to deliberately injure him and could have easily caused him some serious damage. There was a moment a few minutes earlier when they tussled in the Fulham area and it looked like Mitrovic swung an arm at him and Gomes was not happy. It was definitely payback, definitely deliberate and definitely stupid as he will now be banned and it will be justified.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 16, 2019, 04:34:59 PM
Funny enough there is three that went unpunished as I can off the top of my head remember...Ally and Kane both same game early in the season(not sure who against) and Davidson Sanchez on a keeper a couple of weeks ago ....all stamps no punishments ....but it's not just spurs ..
Despite this and the numerous transgressions that get no punishment against the top teams (Salahs blatant dive yet again the other day casing point ) Gomes deserves the ban. ..it was reckless and dangerous .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: pjk on April 16, 2019, 04:43:02 PM
It was a bad foul, it looked very much like there was plenty of intent there. Gomes has the arrogance high quality players tend to settle into. The hard bit is avoiding reds and yellows. He deserved to be sent off. I wouldn't want him to lose that bit of on field spite, or maybe it's not so much spite, as cynicism. You only need to look at Ramos, to find the best in the business at that type of game. Gomes is worth signing though. We need players with that edge.  But intentional  injuring of other players, is stepping over tbe line.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hesmenos on April 16, 2019, 06:00:28 PM
Funny enough there is three that went unpunished as I can off the top of my head remember...Ally and Kane both same game early in the season(not sure who against) and Davidson Sanchez on a keeper a couple of weeks ago ....all stamps no punishments ....but it's not just spurs ..
Despite this and the numerous transgressions that get no punishment against the top teams (Salahs blatant dive yet again the other day casing point ) Gomes deserves the ban. ..it was reckless and dangerous .
There was the one by Capoue on Zaha and the Jorginho one on Sigurdsson. I think they were both given yellows during the match though so they were deemed to have been already dealt with. Strange rule though as they were arguably much worse than what Gomes did.
I like the fact that Gomes has a bit of needle about him but he does seem to have moments when he completely loses control and could end up costing us if he gets sent off. Remember the Bournemouth match when he went on a 15 minute period of kicking anyone that came near him even though he was already on a yellow. He'll have to learn to control it, especially as he could now be under the spotlight after the Mitrovic incident.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 16, 2019, 06:13:04 PM
Really wish people would grasp the basic laws of the game.

Salah isn't getting charged for a dive because he didn't get a penalty from it.

Hate to break it to everyone, but there really isn't a conspiracy against Everton.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 16, 2019, 06:23:58 PM
Really wish people would grasp the basic laws of the game.

Salah isn't getting charged for a dive because he didn't get a penalty from it.

Hate to break it to everyone, but there really isn't a conspiracy against Everton.

'Again' knowing the basic laws of the game (condescending git)I  lnever fucking said it was a conspiracy against Everton or that Salah should be banned ....he should've been booked yet again for simulation though ...and yes the top six do still get preferential treatment ...if you dont see that your watching the wrong sport maybe rounders would suit you better .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 16, 2019, 06:26:30 PM
'Again' knowing the basic laws of the game (condescending git)I  lnever fucking said it was a conspiracy against Everton or that Salah should be banned ....he should've been booked yet again for simulation though ...and yes the top six do still get preferential treatment ...if you dont see that your watching the wrong sport maybe rounders would suit you better .

My post wasn't aimed at you, more the countless evertonians I see bringing up Salah diving and other nonsense.

We've had players dive this season and not been booked ourselves.

Just boring reading the same old stuff from our fans when something like this happens.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on April 16, 2019, 07:01:24 PM
'Again' knowing the basic laws of the game (condescending git)I  lnever fucking said it was a conspiracy against Everton or that Salah should be banned ....he should've been booked yet again for simulation though ...and yes the top six do still get preferential treatment ...if you dont see that your watching the wrong sport maybe rounders would suit you better .

I think thereís a decent argument to be made that the top 6 get an advantage in terms of on the pitch decisions, not a full on conspiracy but probably an unconscious bias.

I donít see the same on post-game reviews on incidents, the deciding factor there is whether the ref on the day saw it or not. Itís a ridiculous rule though, and they should definitely be able to retrospectively upgrade a yellow to a red of the referee didnít realise how bad the challenge was (like Jorginho on Sig earlier this year).
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gash on April 16, 2019, 07:02:48 PM
Srktel and Costa were both banned for stamping in 2015 so it's not just the lower teams that get punished. Not a lot of people stamp on other players so it's not a common crime.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on April 16, 2019, 10:22:19 PM
Top 6 definitely get an advantage in games, if you cant see that you're blind.

Niasse & Lanzini are still the only two players to be banned for 'deceiving a match official', the likes of salah & Alli etc do it most weeks

Fabinho aimed snot at a Chelsea player at the weekend, that one gets swiftly brushed under the carpet though, sky didn't even cover it and didn't bother mentioning salahs blatent dive again after it'd happened.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 16, 2019, 11:18:55 PM
Everton midfielder Andre Gomes has been suspended for three games after accepting a charge of violent conduct.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: blueToffee on April 16, 2019, 11:34:07 PM
Unrelated to the Gomes incident, but I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to say the bigger teams get more of the decisions.

In part, it's because they're more likely on balance to be looking for such decisions, the better teams will likely be dominating the ball and/or creating chances and getting players into the box where the big decisions are made. Just in recent weeks you've the difference it makes with Chelsea given a blatantly offside goal vs Cardiff which saw that game turn on it's head. How big would those 3 pts have been to Cardiff?

Add that to the amount of pundits who rail against decisions that go against the bigger teams (clearly there is a unquestionable bias here in terms of media representation) and there is enough pressure there to effect some refereeing decisions that can make a difference over the course of a season. Doesn't even have to be much, even one or two big calls can as we see right now be the difference between top 4 or being outside of the top 4, or perhaps even winning the league.

I don't know whether it'll change much, but it's one of the reasons I was in favour of VAR coming in. I think it could be one of the biggest levellers in the PL. We already saw how bigger teams in the World Cup like Germany did lose out to VAR decisions and I hope it means there is more of a consistency across refereeing decisions in the PL over time now.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on April 17, 2019, 12:28:02 AM
Really wish people would grasp the basic laws of the game.

Salah isn't getting charged for a dive because he didn't get a penalty from it.

Hate to break it to everyone, but there really isn't a conspiracy against Everton.

Fuck they've got to you
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 19, 2019, 12:13:58 AM
He smells as good as he looks
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on April 19, 2019, 12:22:24 AM
Boss man
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on April 24, 2019, 01:39:07 AM
ElMundo saying Everton have an option to buy Gomes, but Barca will sell to highest bidder.. figure reported 17.3million pound asking price, but now expecting more, Spurs interested - Tweet by@pbsportswriter (Paul Brown)

Personally think this deal may already be part of the way there.. Im not so sure spurs will enter a bidding war, not totally convinced they have much money available this summer
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on April 24, 2019, 01:41:14 AM
ElMundo saying Everton have an option to buy Gomes, but Barca will sell to highest bidder.. figure reported 17.3million pound asking price, but now expecting more, Spurs interested - Tweet by@pbsportswriter (Paul Brown)

Personally think this deal may already be part of the way there.. Im not so sure spurs will enter a bidding war, not totally convinced they have much money available this summer

Calling BS as itís been widely reported that we didnít have an option to buy
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 24, 2019, 01:42:09 AM
17 million would be a no brainer for me, but if it starts going up up up then I back Marcel to make the right move.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 24, 2019, 01:47:19 AM
Was reported early on the loan deal was rushed and no option was ever on the table .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on April 24, 2019, 01:54:10 AM
Calling BS as it’s been widely reported that we didn’t have an option to buy
Still have to negotiate the price etc, doesn't sound like any guarantee weve got him by any means, I just think this will have been negotiated over the last few months and we'll have a head start and an advantage on others. I think it's very important to him that he's going to be happy where he plays next as he struggled with mental health at barca
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 24, 2019, 02:51:57 AM
If Spurs do want him then they will get him, champions league football is a very large carrot to dangle isn't it
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 24, 2019, 02:57:57 AM
If Spurs do want him then they will get him, champions league football is a very large carrot to dangle isn't it

Weíll offer more money.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on April 24, 2019, 03:00:56 AM
Weíll offer more money.

More than likely, just got to hope his head isn't turned, id be gutted if we don't get him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 24, 2019, 06:14:37 PM
Echo's reporting £18m for Gomes... Got to snap that up unless they're eyeing Richarlison at some point? I think he wants to be here and is feeling the love.. Fuck spurs!!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on April 24, 2019, 06:27:17 PM
Echo's reporting £18m for Gomes... Got to snap that up unless they're eyeing Richarlison at some point? I think he wants to be here and is feeling the love.. Fuck spurs!!

But doesnt that report say something along the lines of thats what they wanted last season, now hes been decent the figure is closer to 40?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on April 24, 2019, 06:50:25 PM
Nobody will pay 40mil for him.

If they put that valuation on him they'll be stuck with a player on big wages who has no place in the team.

He's playing relatively well for a midtable premier league club and his valuation will reflect that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 24, 2019, 08:08:13 PM
But doesnt that report say something along the lines of thats what they wanted last season, now hes been decent the figure is closer to 40?

Says they want £18 after paying 35 which does seem odd but great business for us if we can get him. I reckon there's T&C's or it's a misprint.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on April 25, 2019, 09:53:53 PM
Says they want £18 after paying 35 which does seem odd but great business for us if we can get him. I reckon there's T&C's or it's a misprint.

Nah Barca are notorious for not being great in the transfer market. Buying too high and selling too low.

18 mil is a snip. I'd pay 22 to 25 just to guarantee him though
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 25, 2019, 09:54:50 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/25/arsenal-enter-race-tottenham-everton-sign-andre-gomes-barcelona-9318715/

Gonna get loads of these stories aint we
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: chang on April 25, 2019, 10:08:19 PM
End of the day, if Everton want him they will have a price they will pay, if that is acceptable to parent club and players wants to play for Everton it will happen - if not he'll go elsewhere, no point worrying about it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on April 25, 2019, 10:19:00 PM
Echo's reporting £18m for Gomes... Got to snap that up unless they're eyeing Richarlison at some point? I think he wants to be here and is feeling the love.. Fuck spurs!!
Richarlison nowhere near ready for Barca side, needs another couple of seasons no rush for him

Malcolm barely getting a look in, moved too soon
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on April 25, 2019, 10:20:16 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/25/arsenal-enter-race-tottenham-everton-sign-andre-gomes-barcelona-9318715/

Gonna get loads of these stories aint we
Not remotely worried about either of those 2 sides, neither will pay the big money - arsenal are one team im looking for us to catch in the coming years, they need a lot of investment
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 25, 2019, 11:03:15 PM
End of the day, if Everton want him they will have a price they will pay, if that is acceptable to parent club and players wants to play for Everton it will happen - if not he'll go elsewhere, no point worrying about it.

Close the site lads ... pointless discussing anything  :thumbsup: lolol
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on April 26, 2019, 12:34:51 AM
Inter linked also - all I read from this noise is that he's got a good agent :thumbsup:

https://sempreinter.com/2019/04/25/inter-interested-in-andre-gomes/
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on April 26, 2019, 06:07:33 PM
Spurs will be due a midfield revamp in the summer and if they want him they'll probably get him. I can see the attraction for Gomes to go there, whether he's been bitten by the Everton bug enough to turn them down and stay here I don't know, but it's unlikely.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on April 26, 2019, 06:42:52 PM
I expect the deals already sorted.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on April 26, 2019, 08:13:45 PM
Iím fairly ambivalent tbh
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on April 26, 2019, 09:04:48 PM
Just don't see him at Spurs

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on April 26, 2019, 11:04:24 PM
Just don't see him at Spurs



He'd fulfil the Dembele role perfectly, before Dembele's legs went and they got a decent fee from China. He's perfect for manipulating the ball around so the more pacey and skilful players can do what they do so effectively.

It's one of the reasons I think we've looked much better recently with a much more balanced front three for him to play behind.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on April 26, 2019, 11:09:01 PM
He'd fulfil the Dembele role perfectly, before Dembele's legs went and they got a decent fee from China. He's perfect for manipulating the ball around so the more pacey and skilful players can do what they do so effectively.

It's one of the reasons I think we've looked much better recently with a much more balanced front three for him to play behind.
Not questioning his ability, he could be good there. I just mean I don't see him joining Spurs, I don't see them entering into a bidding war, im pretty sure Spurs are low on £££ after the stadium and don't really spend big anyway
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on April 26, 2019, 11:21:28 PM
I don't see him going to spurs he's been at Bar a and found a year on the bench mostly ...he would prefer to play week in week out I rekon .

Plus he's been Evertonized . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on April 26, 2019, 11:55:55 PM
I expect the deals already sorted.
I think so too, find it hard to believe theres been no discussions/negotiations with barca this summer.. brands was even pictured with barca reps before the CL game at OT
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on April 27, 2019, 03:20:37 AM
Spurs smarter than that I think.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on April 28, 2019, 05:23:31 PM
Hopefully we are smart enough to go all out to keep him
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on May 02, 2019, 09:48:45 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/04/05/tottenham-looking-snatch-30m-rated-andre-gomes-noses-everton/
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on May 02, 2019, 09:55:30 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/04/05/tottenham-looking-snatch-30m-rated-andre-gomes-noses-everton/

It's a month old that story mate  ...the date is on it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: stirlingblue on May 03, 2019, 03:19:11 AM
Canít see Spurs going for him as they donít really play a Ďdestroyerí type that he needs next to him a la Gueye
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 03, 2019, 03:31:25 AM
Canít see Spurs going for him as they donít really play a Ďdestroyerí type that he needs next to him a la Gueye

Vic the Brick!

Although tbh they need a proper midfield revamp.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on May 03, 2019, 05:07:17 PM
Its a shame Dembele isn't around at Spurs as i would have snapped him up in a heartbeat. They have missed him since he left.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on May 03, 2019, 06:04:40 PM
Its a shame Dembele isn't around at Spurs as i would have snapped him up in a heartbeat. They have missed him since he left.
Not sure, he hardly played a he was injured and by his own admission he couldn't cut it anymore, plus they're 3rd in the league and in the semi final of the champions league, I can't see Dembele improving them to do much better than that!

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on May 03, 2019, 11:35:11 PM
Yeah his legs had gone.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on May 10, 2019, 06:38:18 PM
https://twitter.com/GaffneyVLC/status/1126809834819674113?s=19

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gash on May 10, 2019, 06:42:50 PM
Still can't make my mind up about him so won't be too bothered if he doesn't stay. He's had some really good performances but he also got away with a lot of performances that if other players had done they'd have been slaughtered. Seems to have become fairly bullet proof and above criticism for some reason.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on May 10, 2019, 06:45:25 PM
Still can't make my mind up about him so won't be too bothered if he doesn't stay. He's had some really good performances but he also got away with a lot of performances that if other players had done they'd have been slaughtered. Seems to have become fairly bullet proof and above criticism for some reason.
That's what I said to my spurs mate who sent this. He'll look like a bargain at times and expensive others. Personally I'd like him to stay, but what will be will be

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2019, 06:49:35 PM
Still can't make my mind up about him so won't be too bothered if he doesn't stay. He's had some really good performances but he also got away with a lot of performances that if other players had done they'd have been slaughtered. Seems to have become fairly bullet proof and above criticism for some reason.

Want us to sign him to stop the chasing round for a replacement in the summer, but I'm not that bothered.

Find some of the shouts about him mad.

Good player, but it stops at that for me.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gash on May 10, 2019, 06:53:57 PM
That's what I said to my spurs mate who sent this. He'll look like a bargain at times and expensive others. Personally I'd like him to stay, but what will be will be

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Yeah, if we sign him for reasonable money then fine but if we lose him I won't be too bothered either.

If someone like Spurs came in for him I wouldn't blame him for going anyway, he's at the stage of his career that if his next big move can give him CL football then he'll take it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Tinga on May 10, 2019, 06:57:49 PM
Gutted really, he'd be great for us.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 10, 2019, 07:26:28 PM
So if he doesnít sign we need to find someone else as good or better, who will need to acclimatise himself to our way of playing, settle into the squad and potentially not fit. The role he plays is key to the way Silva wants to play. We need to get something sorted quickly
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 10, 2019, 07:30:29 PM
Lets be honest here, if Spurs want him then they will probably get him, none of us could blame him for going there either.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 10, 2019, 07:37:11 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1126828129400631301
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 10, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
Want us to sign him to stop the chasing round for a replacement in the summer, but I'm not that bothered.

Find some of the shouts about him mad.

Good player, but it stops at that for me.

Agree beyond that I really worry about sigurdsson and Gomes together if we donít retain gueye. If we lose gueye it might be that we need someone better defensively than Gomes
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 10, 2019, 07:51:50 PM
Lets be honest here, if Spurs want him then they will probably get him, none of us could blame him for going there either.
Having been a bit-part player at Barca, youíd imagine being a starter would be top of his criteria, when deciding his future. Not sure heíd start for Spurs.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 10, 2019, 07:52:49 PM
Brands will have about 10 alternatives (some of whom may be better than Gomes) lined up. Nowt to stress about.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on May 10, 2019, 07:54:15 PM
Having been a bit-part player at Barca, you'd imagine being a starter would be top of his criteria, when deciding his future. Not sure he'd start for Spurs.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 10, 2019, 07:56:26 PM
Winks and Sissoko have been head and shoulders better than Gomes has this season.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 10, 2019, 07:57:03 PM
He'd be competing with Winks, Wanyama, Dier and Sisokko it's not like Xavi, Inniesta and Busquets, I think he'd be okay

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 10, 2019, 07:58:38 PM
Brands will have about 10 alternatives (some of whom may be better than Gomes) lined up. Nowt to stress about.
Exactly. Heís been good for us but Iím not bothered either way. Iíd like him to stay for the continuity, but in Brands we trust.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on May 10, 2019, 08:00:37 PM
And let's not forget Alli and Erikson


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Weirdly I forgot about them!!
Maybe was focusing more on the defensive side as that's predominately where Gomes has played

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2019, 08:02:55 PM
Be a shame seeing him play for someone else but on the pitch I think we'll live like.

2 CMs
1 CB
1 RB
1 Forward
1 CF
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 10, 2019, 08:03:54 PM
Exactly. Heís been good for us but Iím not bothered either way. Iíd like him to stay for the continuity, but in Brands we trust.


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That's it mate. The joy of having Brands in place, listening to his planning process and his methodology that goes on throughout the season, is that you have a sane mind and a process in place so that we're not beholden to individual players or their whims.

Gomes is a good player. Sound. He might want to go elsewhere. Sound. Here's x, y and z who might well be better than Gomes.

There's no way on this earth that Brands hasn't planned for a scenario where Gomes and Zouma don't join us.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2019, 08:05:04 PM
I am massively excited to see what Brands does this summer.

Honestly think it could go either way, big summer super active massive changes, or tight summer concentrating on moving out bad apples.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 10, 2019, 08:16:38 PM
I can't wait to hear the flappers panicking when we haven't signed anyone a day after the window opens.

Patience is needed again this summer, lets not forget we did most of our business during the last few days the transfer window last summer.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on May 10, 2019, 08:27:21 PM
I can't wait to hear the flappers panicking when we haven't signed anyone a day after the window opens.

Patience is needed again this summer, lets not forget we did most of our business during the last few days the transfer window last summer.
That's correct, but we had a new manager, Brands was relatively new too. Both have stated the importance of getting it done early, so whilst I'm not expecting all to be concluded on day 1 I am expecting early movements or it is an indication things aren't going to plan

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2019, 08:38:30 PM
Canít seem to post in the summer wishes thread?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on May 10, 2019, 09:05:06 PM
Gomes agreed to join spurs then?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 10, 2019, 09:57:05 PM
Gomes agreed to join spurs then?

No

Some random tweeted it and everyone thinks it's done
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 10, 2019, 10:18:03 PM
No

Some random tweeted it and everyone thinks it's done

I unite like the tweet where the guy says Ďwhy would anyone post a bollocks story?í
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Confucius on May 10, 2019, 10:20:34 PM
Massive ability. Most people struggle during their first season or so and get better after that when coming from abroad. Remember he hardly played the year before either and was injured for large parts and the beginning of the season. Next season he will be a different player with all the good most of the time.

That performance against Liverpool will become the norm and consistency will come too.

Midfielders like him are hard to find.

We should work our butts off to keep him/
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on May 10, 2019, 10:29:48 PM
Silva saying he hasn't decided on his future yet
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 10, 2019, 10:32:27 PM
You would hope that we've already agreed a deal with Barca a while ago, its probably up to Gomes now
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 10, 2019, 11:44:22 PM
Couldnít be more ambivalent about this, to be honest.

I think heís a top character, and he looks lovely on the ball, especially when heís being pressed, and when heís confident he moves very well with it; however, he doesnít get many assists, nor score many goals, and heís not great defensively either.

And, as BD said, I completely trust Brands to have already found quite a few alternatives if he doesnít sign.

Would hurt to have Spurs steal him, though.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: dunkster on May 11, 2019, 12:14:14 AM
Be typical spurs that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 11, 2019, 03:58:04 AM
I'd personally be surprised if this is who they broke their self imposed transfer ban for, but I wouldn't put it past poch to make him a really effective player. Some sort of mad dembele type just dribble dribble dribble.

Think it smelled slightly like barca rustling, but you know, what happens happens.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 11, 2019, 01:05:04 PM
Nailed on for spurs. Think he'd have got better next season and especially so in their side.

Gutted. But if I could only have one of the 2 it would have been  zouma definitely.

However it's looking unlikely we will get him too
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 11, 2019, 02:25:39 PM
The general consensus seems like itís Barca putting stories in the press, trying to flush out bids and get our arse in gear.

They did the same with Mina - linked him with Utd etc., all of which Mina denied when he signed. Said we were the only team in for him.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on May 11, 2019, 02:55:39 PM
The general consensus seems like it's Barca putting stories in the press, trying to flush out bids and get our arse in gear.

They did the same with Mina - linked him with Utd etc., all of which Mina denied when he signed. Said we were the only team in for him.


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Find that difficult to believe considering Silva has already said he's a priority with Zouma, it's not in our interests to drag our feet. As others have said id have expected us to have started negotiations ages ago if we genuinely want him

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2019, 03:21:27 PM
The best thing for me about wanting to sign players that have been on loan; " two for the first team after a loan season," shows we are definitely getting it right.  There's only Yerry Mina left to prove he was worth the fee. All the rest, I think personally, have  been successful in their own right. :)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on May 11, 2019, 03:43:45 PM
Canít really understand the logic that says Brands will have a list of alternatives and on it some who are better yet weíd be not be going for them first.

Surely youíd start at the top of the list at the player you thought was the very best and try and bring them in? If that failed move onto the next one and so on.

Anyway I personally think itís likely all agreed given whatís been said and the time both sides have had to size up each other. I expect itís just speculation helping fill up column inches like roughly 99% of transfer gossip. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 11, 2019, 04:03:58 PM
Canít really understand the logic that says Brands will have a list of alternatives and on it some who are better yet weíd be not be going for them first.

Surely youíd start at the top of the list at the player you thought was the very best and try and bring them in? If that failed move onto the next one and so on.

Anyway I personally think itís likely all agreed given whatís been said and the time both sides have had to size up each other. I expect itís just speculation helping fill up column inches like roughly 99% of transfer gossip. 

Gomes might not be at the top of Brandsí list now
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on May 11, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
Gomes might not be at the top of Brandsí list now

But theyíve said they want him havenít they?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 11, 2019, 04:33:54 PM
But theyíve said they want him havenít they?

Might be someone more expensive? Maybe Gomes is first on the list. Who knows but heís not the be all and end all.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 11, 2019, 05:41:41 PM
Can't really understand the logic that says Brands will have a list of alternatives and on it some who are better yet we'd be not be going for them first.

Surely you'd start at the top of the list at the player you thought was the very best and try and bring them in? If that failed move onto the next one and so on.

Anyway I personally think it's likely all agreed given what's been said and the time both sides have had to size up each other. I expect it's just speculation helping fill up column inches like roughly 99% of transfer gossip.
There might be a player Brands considers Ďbetterí but might cost £15m more. Or a player thatís generally of the same level as Gomes but doesnít speak English. Or another player whoís club will only consider negotiating to sell, once theyíve got their replacement.

There are so many variables and any DoF worth his salt will plan for every scenario.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 11, 2019, 06:14:05 PM
But theyíve said they want him havenít they?

I think so, but theyíre not going to say otherwise unless he completely bombed during his spell.

Letís say Brands has two players on his CM/#8 list that he thinks are better than Gomes, but then neither want to come here; Brands would then be in a poor position if neither him nor Silva had previously expressed their interest in signing Gomes permanently.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on May 11, 2019, 06:45:34 PM
Find that difficult to believe considering Silva has already said he's a priority with Zouma, it's not in our interests to drag our feet. As others have said id have expected us to have started negotiations ages ago if we genuinely want him

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Might be just trying to bring someone else into the game to bump the price up.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on May 11, 2019, 06:51:45 PM
Might be someone more expensive? Maybe Gomes is first on the list. Who knows but heís not the be all and end all.

There might be a player Brands considers Ďbetterí but might cost £15m more. Or a player thatís generally of the same level as Gomes but doesnít speak English. Or another player whoís club will only consider negotiating to sell, once theyíve got their replacement.

There are so many variables and any DoF worth his salt will plan for every scenario.


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I think so, but theyíre not going to say otherwise unless he completely bombed during his spell.

Letís say Brands has two players on his CM/#8 list that he thinks are better than Gomes, but then neither want to come here; Brands would then be in a poor position if neither him nor Silva had previously expressed their interest in signing Gomes permanently.

The thing is the players ďon the listĒ that arenít willing to come or are to expensive will surely have already been crossed out? Thereís no point in still considering them as an alternative to Gomes is there?

Iíd expect conversations have already taken place between Brands and lots of agents of players weíd like and we know who attainable and whoís not, and the ones who arenít will have been crossed off. I like to think weíre a bit more professional now than the days of Steve Walsh meandering around Italy with a briefcase full of cash and a copy of football manager. 
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 11, 2019, 10:14:03 PM
The thing is the players ďon the listĒ that arenít willing to come or are to expensive will surely have already been crossed out? Thereís no point in still considering them as an alternative to Gomes is there?

Iíd expect conversations have already taken place between Brands and lots of agents of players weíd like and we know who attainable and whoís not, and the ones who arenít will have been crossed off. I like to think weíre a bit more professional now than the days of Steve Walsh meandering around Italy with a briefcase full of cash and a copy of football manager. 

Not sure it always works that neatly, mate.

We courted Mina for the whole window, and it looked hopeless; and yet he signed for us at the last minute.

We did the same with Giroud previously; he jilted us.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 12, 2019, 03:31:37 AM
30 million euros to spurs agreed
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 12, 2019, 03:42:07 AM
Waiting for "He'd deffo rather stay here if it was down to him"
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 12, 2019, 04:06:28 AM
30 million euros to spurs agreed

Info or just from the newspaper reports based around that tweet?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 12, 2019, 04:31:03 AM
Waiting for "He'd deffo rather stay here if it was down to him"

Waiting for some actual, genuine reports confirming heís going to spurs.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 12, 2019, 06:14:50 AM
Info or just from the newspaper reports based around that tweet?

Dodgy tweet
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on May 12, 2019, 02:11:04 PM
Info or just from the newspaper reports based around that tweet?

Personal terms agreed according to Metro
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 12, 2019, 02:17:39 PM
Personal terms agreed according to Metro


Spurs will swap Rose for Digne according to the Star. Both shite
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 12, 2019, 02:29:16 PM
Personal terms agreed according to Metro

As I said above same story with no sources that is in the Star and Mirror - all based on the tweet from the other day
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mac934 on May 12, 2019, 05:06:55 PM
I wonder how much the Raiola ban and Chelsea's embargo will affect transfers across the board?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 12, 2019, 05:57:19 PM
I wonder how much the Raiola ban and Chelsea's embargo will affect transfers across the board?

Not very much.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 12, 2019, 06:12:41 PM
If weíre gonna post that heís agreed terms somewhere else can we post the source itís from ffs.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 13, 2019, 12:46:30 AM
If weíre gonna post that heís agreed terms somewhere else can we post the source itís from ffs.

Dave from Barnet on twitter who quoted Juan in Spain
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on May 13, 2019, 01:17:14 AM
If we managed to sign Lukaku after a season long loan then we can sign Zouma and Gomes.

I know plenty has changed since those days but players who do well here on loan tend to want to stay.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cozzie on May 13, 2019, 01:18:32 AM
Hope so.

Zouma and Gomes would give us a great platform to build on.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: dchans on May 13, 2019, 01:41:20 AM
When does the window open
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: velimski on May 13, 2019, 01:44:10 AM
When does the window open

1st of June i think.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toffee1 on May 13, 2019, 01:52:56 AM
When does the window open

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog-transfer-talk/story/3820984/when-does-the-premier-league-transfer-window-open-for-summer-2019
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 13, 2019, 03:15:55 AM
If we managed to sign Lukaku after a season long loan then we can sign Zouma and Gomes.

I know plenty has changed since those days but players who do well here on loan tend to want to stay.

We signed Lukaku with no competition when he was surplus to requirements at his parent club.

Gomes is seemingly in demand from a bigger side and Chelsea will need to keep hold of Zouma through not being able to bring anyone else in.

Totally different.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on May 13, 2019, 03:30:50 AM
We signed Lukaku with no competition when he was surplus to requirements at his parent club.

Gomes is seemingly in demand from a bigger side and Chelsea will need to keep hold of Zouma through not being able to bring anyone else in.

Totally different.

Do you really think nobody wanted Lukaku at that age with his goals at West Brom and Everton?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 13, 2019, 03:36:43 AM
Do you really think nobody wanted Lukaku at that age with his goals at West Brom and Everton?

Nobody better than us
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 13, 2019, 05:51:55 AM
Spurs being linked with Gedson Fernandes of Benfica
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Tinga on May 13, 2019, 02:39:50 PM
Surely Chelsea won't let a young centerback go when they have a transfer ban incoming?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 13, 2019, 03:06:04 PM
Nobody better than us

Why are you so adamant that Gomes and Zouma are so unattainable?

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 13, 2019, 04:25:03 PM
Why are you so adamant that Gomes and Zouma are so unattainable?

Because better teams apparently want Gomes and Zouma is owned by a team that will need him after being banned from signing players, especially after a good season with us.

Not sure what's difficult to understand really.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 13, 2019, 04:41:39 PM
Because better teams apparently want Gomes and Zouma is owned by a team that will need him after being banned from signing players, especially after a good season with us.

Not sure what's difficult to understand really.

I understand perfectly fine mate, just thought Iíd ask the question.

Zouma is still 4th, maybe even 5th choice at Chelsea.

Maybe better teams are in for Gomes (not seen this reported anywhere reliable), but that doesnít automatically rule us out.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on May 13, 2019, 08:21:43 PM
I understand perfectly fine mate, just thought Iíd ask the question.

Zouma is still 4th, maybe even 5th choice at Chelsea.

Maybe better teams are in for Gomes (not seen this reported anywhere reliable), but that doesnít automatically rule us out.



Im with you on Zouma, if the price is right I can see us keeping him. Their transfer ban wont really hinder this deal as its not like we're even trying to take a squad player, its someone deemed surplus to requirements this year and its not like they've lost any of their centre backs either
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toffee Tuesdays on May 13, 2019, 08:44:21 PM
Im with you on Zouma, if the price is right I can see us keeping him. Their transfer ban wont really hinder this deal as its not like we're even trying to take a squad player, its someone deemed surplus to requirements this year and its not like they've lost any of their centre backs either

Isn't Gary Cahill leaving?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on May 13, 2019, 08:50:00 PM
Isn't Gary Cahill leaving?

Forgot about that, but he'd pretty much been frozen out anyway and dont even think he was in any squads?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 13, 2019, 09:30:06 PM
Forgot about that, but he'd pretty much been frozen out anyway and dont even think he was in any squads?

Yeah that's like us being short a centre back because Ashley Williams is leaving, nobody will notice
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 13, 2019, 09:54:58 PM
Do you really think nobody wanted Lukaku at that age with his goals at West Brom and Everton?

IIRC, Lukaku told his agent and Chelsea - "get a deal done with Everton, I won't talk to anyone else."
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 13, 2019, 09:59:25 PM
IIRC, Lukaku told his agent and Chelsea - "get a deal done with Everton, I won't talk to anyone else."

Course he did lolol
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 13, 2019, 10:01:29 PM
He most certainly did.  I read it in multiple media outlets at the time.  Of course, it was a harbinger for when he insisted on the United move (and nothing else).
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 13, 2019, 10:35:45 PM
He most certainly did.  I read it in multiple media outlets at the time.  Of course, it was a harbinger for when he insisted on the United move (and nothing else).

He most certainly didnít. All he does is try and talk himself into bigger and bigger moves. Even now heís failed at Utd heís trying to spin it as him wanting a move. Thereís no way he said he wouldnít sign for juve or atletico to play for us
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 13, 2019, 10:36:54 PM
He most certainly did.  I read it in multiple media outlets at the time.  Of course, it was a harbinger for when he insisted on the United move (and nothing else).

Plus I read a thousand times that kenwright was paying for transfers out of his own pocket. Then it came out he hadnít put a penny in. Just cos itís in the press doesnít make it true
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 13, 2019, 11:27:42 PM
Got it.  It didn't happen because you don't like him.

IIRC, some of the reporting (after he was signed) came from the Chelsea camp.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 13, 2019, 11:30:14 PM
He most certainly did.  I read it in multiple media outlets at the time.  Of course, it was a harbinger for when he insisted on the United move (and nothing else).

I donít remember that tbh
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on May 13, 2019, 11:34:19 PM
I seem to recall hearing something like that from Lukaku at the time.

The problem is though with Lukaku talk is cheap.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 13, 2019, 11:46:41 PM
Are you that gullible mate?

I don't mind the lad, did a job for us no question and probably the best goalscorer we've had in 30 years, but to believe that Everton is the only club in the world he was interested in signing for is comical.

Even his fucking new agent came out and said he'd have never signed for Everton if said agent was managing him at the time (Raiola was it?)

Edit: Link - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/everton/11514425/Romelu-Lukaku-would-never-have-joined-Everton-if-I-had-represented-him-says-strikers-new-agent.html
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on May 14, 2019, 12:31:52 AM
Tbf to him, Lukaku says in his press conference with Martinez that ''if you want me to be honest I knew at the end of last season I was coming back" - its on youtube I think
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 14, 2019, 03:09:18 AM
Got it.  It didn't happen because you don't like him.

IIRC, some of the reporting (after he was signed) came from the Chelsea camp.

It didnít happen because itís absolutely not who he is. He made us wait for him to sign. He spent his entire time here talking about his next move. Thereís absolutely no way heíd of refused a move to a champions league team instead of us
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hesmenos on May 14, 2019, 04:04:37 AM
Regarding Lukaku, when he signed for us permanently we probably where the best team interested in him. We had just had a great season, playing some phenomenal football at times. We had a good core of talented young players and a genius of a manger who many on here where afraid might get poached by Barcelona. Plus he was guaranteed to start every game for us, which at the time was very important to him and was the reason he left Chelsea.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 14, 2019, 11:18:29 AM
Hopeful of signing Gomes and Zouma, but doubtful.

Having Brands at the wheel makes me feel at ease with whatever we do in the summer.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on May 14, 2019, 09:04:35 PM
Having Brands at the wheel makes me feel at ease with whatever we do in the summer.


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Yeah, everyone more relaxed now with him in charge of things
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on May 15, 2019, 12:53:45 AM
Yeah, everyone more relaxed now with him in charge of things

Yes we are. But I'm not sure why?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 15, 2019, 01:25:50 AM
Yes we are. But I'm not sure why?

Because heís an actual DOF, as opposed to a PE teacher
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 15, 2019, 01:45:57 AM
Yes we are. But I'm not sure why?
Our most important recruit for yonks
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on May 15, 2019, 04:55:58 AM
Yeah but is his past really that impressive.

To be honest, for me, it's the bearing of the man that puts me at ease. Every fibre of his being just seems to say 'Relax. I'm in charge and I've got this.'

But I'm not enough of an super-fan to say I know much about him before he came to us. He was at Ajax. He is well thought of over there. That's all I know. Yet when I saw that footage of his predatory stalking through Finch Farm for the first time I just thought - he's the one.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on May 15, 2019, 05:44:05 AM
But I'm not enough of an super-fan to say I know much about him before he came to us. He was at Ajax. He is well thought of over there. That's all I know.

Haha, and as if to emphasise your point you're wrong, he came to us from PSV (and was at AZ Alkmaar before).
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 15, 2019, 06:00:22 AM
Yeah but is his past really that impressive.

To be honest, for me, it's the bearing of the man that puts me at ease. Every fibre of his being just seems to say 'Relax. I'm in charge and I've got this.'

But I'm not enough of an super-fan to say I know much about him before he came to us. He was at Ajax. He is well thought of over there. That's all I know. Yet when I saw that footage of his predatory stalking through Finch Farm for the first time I just thought - he's the one.
As long as he's here mate that's the main thing, not many will have been glued to his career, they just googled him when he was linked to us then pretended to have followed his career from the womb.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 15, 2019, 01:36:57 PM
I mean I like the look of him and everything he says so far is good but really we're in the dark.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on May 15, 2019, 01:51:32 PM
Haha, and as if to emphasise your point you're wrong, he came to us from PSV (and was at AZ Alkmaar before).

Fuck me. Just call me Jon Snow! lolol
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 15, 2019, 03:15:30 PM
I mean I like the look of him and everything he says so far is good but really we're in the dark.

Correct.

I think he'll be a good appointment but it seems bizarre that everyone has just decided that he's fantastic at his role before he's been here long enough to produce the goods.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 15, 2019, 03:35:46 PM
Correct.

I think he'll be a good appointment but it seems bizarre that everyone has just decided that he's fantastic at his role before he's been here long enough to produce the goods.

You'd have to say his first window was broadly a success.

Digne, 10/10
Richarlison, surely the managers choice, but good
Gomes loan, good
Zouma loan, very good
Mina, wobbly but yano, maybe
Virginia, different and seems good
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cozzie on May 15, 2019, 03:39:25 PM
Yeah Mina has to produce next season but I feel he will.

He looks a confidence player.

Due to the fact they have said the targets are already agreed upon I am at half mast already to see who we bring in.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 15, 2019, 04:14:51 PM
You'd have to say his first window was broadly a success.

Digne, 10/10
Richarlison, surely the managers choice, but good
Gomes loan, good
Zouma loan, very good
Mina, wobbly but yano, maybe
Virginia, different and seems good

What about Bernard?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 15, 2019, 05:00:31 PM
What about Bernard?

Ah knew I'd forgotten one.

Good, closing in on very good, potentially to be superb.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on May 15, 2019, 07:27:47 PM
Yeah Mina has to produce next season but I feel he will.

He looks a confidence player.

Due to the fact they have said the targets are already agreed upon I am at half mast already to see who we bring in.

Mina doesn't strike me as a confidence player like, I think all he needs is a run of games to get into full form.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on May 15, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
You'd have to say his first window was broadly a success.

Digne, 10/10
Richarlison, surely the managers choice, but good
Gomes loan, good
Zouma loan, very good
Mina, wobbly but yano, maybe
Virginia, different and seems good

Can't argue with the transfers he has made. Mina is the only player who has had little game time, but he looks capable of filling in for Zouma should he not be here next season.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cozzie on May 15, 2019, 07:55:45 PM
Mina doesn't strike me as a confidence player like, I think all he needs is a run of games to get into full form.

Hope so.

For the hype and what we paid for him I feel he needs to be our number 1 CB regardless of whether we sign Zouma or not.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: American Evertonian on May 15, 2019, 08:02:01 PM
Because heís an actual DOF, as opposed to a PE teacher

I bet the squad misses dodgeball days though
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: American Evertonian on May 15, 2019, 08:02:56 PM
Hope so.

For the hype and what we paid for him I feel he needs to be our number 1 CB regardless of whether we sign Zouma or not.

Almost makes me wish we loaned Mina and bought Zouma. Would feel we are in a much more confident place in the back
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 15, 2019, 08:11:56 PM
I bet the squad misses dodgeball days though

Haha, we called it Murderball here, iirc, and one team invariably had to play in Ďskinsí (purely to differentiate between the two sides, obviously  :blush:) with kids that forgot their kits forced to play in just their underwear  :whistle:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on May 15, 2019, 10:22:22 PM
with a run of games Mina would be fine, still prefer zouma and keane as a partnership though
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on May 15, 2019, 10:31:10 PM
Re. Mina, not really related to his playing ability, but I've not yet seen it mentioned that he was awarded Everton's PFA Community Champion yesterday. Quite remarkable for someone of his age to come from abroad and settle into the club culture so quickly and to give so much back to the fans :clap:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2019/05/14/mina
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 15, 2019, 10:45:28 PM
Re. Mina, not really related to his playing ability, but I've not yet seen it mentioned that he was awarded Everton's PFA Community Champion yesterday. Quite remarkable for someone of his age to come from abroad and settle into the club culture so quickly and to give so much back to the fans :clap:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2019/05/14/mina
Indeed. If you think about the character and application of all those players Brands brought in last summer, youíd have to say heís done 10/10. Richy can be a bit petulant but heís a kid so Iíll let him off.

I donít think itís a fluke theyíre all good lads, proves Brands is looking at more than just football ability.


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 15, 2019, 11:07:57 PM
Indeed. If you think about the character and application of all those players Brands brought in last summer, youíd have to say heís done 10/10. Richy can be a bit petulant but heís a kid so Iíll let him off.

I donít think itís a fluke theyíre all good lads, proves Brands is looking at more than just football ability.


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Yeah exactly, it fits with our ethos.

Itís why Liverpool generally buy players that are arrogant, whinging shitcunts.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mac934 on May 15, 2019, 11:15:39 PM
Yeah exactly, it fits with our ethos.

Itís why Liverpool generally buy players that are arrogant, whinging shitcunts.
Liverpool generally buy players that are arrogant, whinging shitcunts. = 2nd in the league and 2 Champions league finals in a row.
Everton buy nice guys to fit ethos = 8th in the league and not cup final in sight.
Just saying like.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 15, 2019, 11:21:34 PM
Liverpool generally buy players that are arrogant, whinging shitcunts. = 2nd in the league and 2 Champions league finals in a row.
Everton buy nice guys to fit ethos = 8th in the league and not cup final in sight.
Just saying like.

What exactly are you saying, like?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 15, 2019, 11:36:53 PM
We can (and should) be looking at building a winning culture with a better dressing room than we have had.  Not feasible to just toss gobs of money at the biggest dickheads like Liverpool does.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: American Evertonian on May 15, 2019, 11:59:27 PM
Haha, we called it Murderball here, iirc, and one team invariably had to play in Ďskinsí (purely to differentiate between the two sides, obviously  :blush:) with kids that forgot their kits forced to play in just their underwear  :whistle:

The last thing the USA needs these days is something called Murderball. :X
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: American Evertonian on May 15, 2019, 11:59:58 PM
We can (and should) be looking at building a winning culture with a better dressing room than we have had.  Not feasible to just toss gobs of money at the biggest dickheads like Liverpool does.

Even Salah is starting to look a lot more arrogant than he used to.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on May 16, 2019, 12:02:18 AM
Liverpool generally buy players that are arrogant, whinging shitcunts. = 2nd in the league and 2 Champions league finals in a row.
Everton buy nice guys to fit ethos = 8th in the league and not cup final in sight.
Just saying like.

not to forget ....they've spent mahoooooisive amounts of money in the last few years and have a manager who's been there 4 odd years now ....where did Klopp finish in his first year?????......8th ..sounds like we are bang on track  :thumbsup: or you could say Silva is doing a better job than klopps first year they were never low enough to get the Rotund Gravy swiging Bung taker as their manager before he took over .

Just saying like lolol
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mac934 on May 16, 2019, 12:36:38 AM
What exactly are you saying, like?
being nice doesn't always help win things.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 16, 2019, 01:05:42 AM
being nice doesn't always help win things.

Just like being a prick doesnít guarantee success ;)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 16, 2019, 01:08:20 AM
Just like being a prick doesnít guarantee success ;)

This place would be a fortune 500 playground!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 16, 2019, 01:09:15 AM
This place would be a fortune 500 playground!

Exactly, chief
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GLewis on May 16, 2019, 01:49:13 AM
Mina doesn't strike me as a confidence player like, I think all he needs is a run of games to get into full form.

Yeah think as well because heís massive physically, that if heís not playing all the time heís likely to lose match sharpness quicker/ take longer to get it back than others.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2019, 02:56:12 AM
Latest Instagram post, then likes Everton commenting Scouser

He's ours lads
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 16, 2019, 03:55:34 AM
Latest Instagram post, then likes Everton commenting Scouser

He's ours lads

*womb throb*
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jamokachi on May 16, 2019, 04:34:45 AM
he's so pretty <swoon>
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 16, 2019, 04:35:31 AM
Looks a lot prettier in blue
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on May 16, 2019, 04:51:53 AM
Looks a lot prettier in blue

We need a maroon and gold away kit, as he'd look great in a Roma style kit.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 16, 2019, 05:25:23 AM
Latest Instagram post, then likes Everton commenting Scouser

He's ours lads

Window opens tomorrow. Letís hope heís in early doors
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 16, 2019, 01:05:06 PM
Thank you Alan Ball.... Looks like you're spirit has touched another one.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on May 16, 2019, 04:24:33 PM
He is rather dishy is our Gomes. Go and get that paperwork signed lad!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 16, 2019, 11:44:30 PM
I don't know whether the echo is playing mind games but they're reporting he's agreed to join spurs. It's probably an old story rehashed but if so, completely unnecessary. Just can't see him shitting on us like that.... But I've been wrong before.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 17, 2019, 12:24:39 AM
I don't know whether the echo is playing mind games but they're reporting he's agreed to join spurs. It's probably an old story rehashed but if so, completely unnecessary. Just can't see him shitting on us like that.... But I've been wrong before.

They've finally got round to making a story based on that one random tweet?   :clap:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on May 17, 2019, 12:45:01 AM
I don't know whether the echo is playing mind games but they're reporting he's agreed to join spurs. It's probably an old story rehashed but if so, completely unnecessary. Just can't see him shitting on us like that.... But I've been wrong before.

Whether itís true or not or just the usual Echo crap journalism who knows, if however he has agreed terms with Spurs is that really shitting on us or understandable from a professional footballers point of view to want to play Champions league football ? For a player who has been a one season loan you can hardly expect unconditional loyalty.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2019, 12:48:54 AM
The echo, do you people are still read and believe the shite they print, honestly?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on May 17, 2019, 12:51:17 AM
The echo, do you people are still read and believe the shite they print, honestly?

They’ve taken it from this excerpt from the Guardian:

Everton are facing an uphill battle to keep Andrť Gomes at Goodison Park, what with some news outlets reporting the midfielder, who is on loan from Barcelona, has already agreed personal terms with Tottenham Hotspur. “At this moment, he has had nothing new to say to me until now,” said Everton manager Marco Silva, following his side’s draw at Spurs on Sunday. “This is the most important thing. I am 100% sure when something is decided in his mind, I will be one of the first people to know. As a club, we have to do everything to sign him.”


So bollocks basically.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 17, 2019, 01:08:39 AM
I don't know whether the echo is playing mind games but they're reporting he's agreed to join spurs. It's probably an old story rehashed but if so, completely unnecessary. Just can't see him shitting on us like that.... But I've been wrong before.
They've finally got round to making a story based on that one random tweet?   :clap:

Itís from a Guardian article that I think is just rehashing report from last week
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 19, 2019, 05:26:18 PM
Picked Sours according to the Mirror
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on May 19, 2019, 05:50:17 PM
He suits the spurs style like
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 19, 2019, 05:57:55 PM
:(
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 19, 2019, 06:11:33 PM
Yet to see one reliable source report the spurs interest.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 19, 2019, 06:44:39 PM
Yet to see one reliable source report the spurs interest.

Neither have I. Itís all very quiet and I just posted it as an update. Thereís also question marks over Pocc staying at spurs
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: dekko on May 19, 2019, 11:12:54 PM
Would love to keep him, but if he wants to go, his position would be the easiest to fill. We have other players that would much harder to be replaced.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 20, 2019, 05:11:08 AM
I know these things are usually people seeing what they want to see but he has apparently taken ĎBarcelona footballerí off his twitter bio and it now just says ĎEverton footballerí.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on May 20, 2019, 05:14:27 AM
Based on his attitude and whatís seen from his personality then Iíll be surprised if he rejects us for Spurs.

He was in a very dark place whilst at Barcelona and coming here clearly helped him mentally get out of that place.

Maybe Iím wrong but I donít think itís really about playing in the champions league for him. He was at one of (if not) the best club in the world and itís was the most miserable part of his career.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ramjam on May 20, 2019, 10:01:03 AM
Everton player?


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: djws1788 on May 21, 2019, 12:59:46 PM
This is his Twitter
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2019, 01:44:46 PM
He changed it when he joined us last August
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 21, 2019, 02:05:02 PM
If he does choose somewhere else after twerking for our fans all year I am going to boo the fuck out of him the little Davidoff Cool Water looking mother fucker.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 21, 2019, 02:29:59 PM
He changed it when he joined us last August

Apparently he still had Barca in there until a day or two ago but has taken that off and just left Everton. Iím not a big user of Twitter or Insta so I canít confirm or deny
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2019, 03:18:40 PM
Apparently he still had Barca in there until a day or two ago but has taken that off and just left Everton. Iím not a big user of Twitter or Insta so I canít confirm or deny

He'll change it to Spurs soon enough

Ooooof!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Brownie on May 21, 2019, 07:20:33 PM
He'll change it to Spurs soon enough

Ooooof!

Iíve just cried
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on May 21, 2019, 08:03:57 PM
Apparently he still had Barca in there until a day or two ago but has taken that off and just left Everton. Iím not a big user of Twitter or Insta so I canít confirm or deny
Using the power of the Wayback Machine, it looks like it's been Everton only since September.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180922144538/https://twitter.com/aftgomes
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 23, 2019, 12:00:31 AM
Get on Google maps someone..

https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1131224012141617152
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 23, 2019, 12:04:09 AM
Heís still in the UK then


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 23, 2019, 12:05:28 AM
Looks like somewhere around west Kirkby if I could hazard a guess.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 23, 2019, 04:34:03 AM
Looks like somewhere around west Kirkby if I could hazard a guess.

Clearly the Thames so he must've joined Spurs  :snigger:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on May 23, 2019, 03:44:35 PM
Its the dock wall thats going to run through BM and he's on about that being his home so he's staying for the next 6 years!

Or not.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Alanvideo on May 23, 2019, 04:07:36 PM
He's sitting on the dock of the bay
watching the tide roll away..........
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Lxxx on May 23, 2019, 06:28:28 PM
Get on Google maps someone..

https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1131224012141617152

I'd have preferred him to use the word 'love' but I'll take it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Goaljira on May 23, 2019, 08:03:06 PM
I'd have preferred him to use the word 'love' but I'll take it.

He likes where he loves?

Bit too personal that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: pedrotheblue on May 24, 2019, 04:53:34 AM
He's sitting on the dock of the bay
watching the tide roll away..........

Wasting time?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: American Evertonian on May 24, 2019, 06:52:20 AM
Wasting time?

Ah shit. Must be signing for Liverpool then.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on May 24, 2019, 02:08:18 PM
Heís still in the UK then


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Thatís about 100 yards up from the Hotel Arts, Ritz Carlton in Barcelona.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Alanvideo on May 26, 2019, 02:44:46 PM
the mighty WHU  have offered £18m for Gomes
Sunday Times ...............
West Ham have made an offer to Barcelona in the region of £18m for Andre Gomes. The 25-year-old Portugal international spent last season on loan at Everton, where he made 27 Premier League appearances. While the Merseyside club would like to retain Gomes, no preferential option to buy the midfielder was included in last summerís single-season loan deal.

The Hammers have made a series of offers for Gomes, whom Manuel Pellegrini as identified as a priority signing ahead of his second campaign at the London club. Barca value Gomes Ė who is under contract to the Liga champions until 2021 Ė at around twice West Hamís bid. The Catalan club Barca acquired Gomes from Valencia in 2016 for an initial transfer fee of Ä35m plus Ä20m in performance-related variables (currently £30.8m plus £17.6m  )
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2019, 02:50:03 PM
the mighty WHU  have offered £18m for Gomes
Sunday Times ...............
West Ham have made an offer to Barcelona in the region of £18m for Andre Gomes. The 25-year-old Portugal international spent last season on loan at Everton, where he made 27 Premier League appearances. While the Merseyside club would like to retain Gomes, no preferential option to buy the midfielder was included in last summerís single-season loan deal.

The Hammers have made a series of offers for Gomes, whom Manuel Pellegrini as identified as a priority signing ahead of his second campaign at the London club. Barca value Gomes Ė who is under contract to the Liga champions until 2021 Ė at around twice West Hamís bid. The Catalan club Barca acquired Gomes from Valencia in 2016 for an initial transfer fee of Ä35m plus Ä20m in performance-related variables (currently £30.8m plus £17.6m  )

They are so generous
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 26, 2019, 03:26:49 PM
You only go to West Ham at the end of your career not to progress it. Yarmalenko went for the wages and being at a London club.. The coin will drop next season when he wants out.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Escla on May 26, 2019, 03:29:45 PM
What a ridiculous offer, they might have stood a chance at double that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Alanvideo on May 26, 2019, 04:14:40 PM
What a ridiculous offer, they might have stood a chance at double that.
................yes I only posted it because its The Times which usually can be trusted but its a silly offer.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 26, 2019, 10:01:26 PM
I wouldnít want us to pay a great deal over £20m for him to be honest.

As good as he looks on the ball when heís on song, he doesnít tackle, score, or assist much, nor does he give us shape like a Schneiderlin can.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2019, 10:19:31 PM
I wouldnít want us to pay a great deal over £20m for him to be honest.

As good as he looks on the ball when heís on song, he doesnít tackle, score, or assist much, nor does he give us shape like a Schneiderlin can.
Are you being serious there mate?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueForYou on May 26, 2019, 10:36:00 PM
West Ham are bidding for Gomes?

We're both bidding for Welbeck?

And they are offering us Cresswell?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 26, 2019, 10:45:24 PM
Are you being serious there mate?

What bit do you disagree with?

The Schneiderlin reference?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2019, 11:01:03 PM
What bit do you disagree with?

The Schneiderlin reference?
Before the last few games when he put some effort in Morgan was a crime scene, was hoping he was just being put in the shop window, we'll see. Gomes is a must if we can get him, his creativity wouldn't be in doubt if we'd have a top drawer CF, that's what we need to take the next step surely? but being stuck with a Morgan instead of landing a Gomes wouldn't be progress surely?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 26, 2019, 11:12:22 PM
Before the last few games when he put some effort in Morgan was a crime scene, was hoping he was just being put in the shop window, we'll see. Gomes is a must if we can get him, his creativity wouldn't be in doubt if we'd have a top drawer CF, that's what we need to take the next step surely? but being stuck with a Morgan instead of landing a Gomes wouldn't be progress surely?

Yes, but what I was saying was I would rather us shell out £35m on a DM #6 than Gomes, that will give us that base to play from.

Gomes was really good at times, but he still doesnít make me think he will be the sort of CM that will take us to the next level; As I said, he doesnít score, assist, tackle, or intercept much, and we could really do with an assist machine alongside Sigurdsson, so that Sigurdsson can just be Sigurdsson.

I know that Bernard, for instance, didnít score or assist much either, but his link-play, tracking back, and interceptions were wonderful at times. Apart from avoiding the press (which he did brilliantly during that period before the first Derby) I canít think of anything Gomes does exceptionally well that would warrant us spending a large chunk of our budget on him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2019, 11:20:36 PM
Yes, but what I was saying was I would rather us shell out £35m on a DM #6 than Gomes, that will give us that base to play from.

Gomes was really good at times, but he still doesnít make me think he will be the sort of CM that will take us to the next level; As I said, he doesnít score, assist, tackle, or intercept much, and we could really do with an assist machine alongside Sigurdsson, so that Sigurdsson can just be Sigurdsson.

I know that Bernard, for instance, didnít score or assist much either, but his link-play, tracking back, and interceptions were wonderful at times. Apart from avoiding the press (which he did brilliantly during that period before the first Derby) I canít think of anything Gomes does exceptionally well that would warrant us spending a large chunk of our budget on him.
Fair enough mate, but he's not had long and already provided some lovely moments and would hate to see the full benefit gotten by someone else, he could be so fucking good for us and when we look at what we've paid for shite why not take the risk? it's no our money...:]
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hesmenos on May 26, 2019, 11:27:55 PM
There's no doubting that Gomes is a quality player and I would love to have him back next year, but he does have his deficiencies. He only got 1 goal and 2 assists last year. A better CF would probably help but in 2 years at Barca he got 3 goals and 4 assists and there's little doubt regarding the quality of their forwards. He also struggled in his defensive duties last season. He was often caught out of position and ended up chasing after his man and giving away needless fouls. Tottenham's equaliser was because he lost Lamela and then brought him down, giving Eriksen a free kick in a dangerous position.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2019, 11:29:28 PM
Before the last few games when he put some effort in Morgan was a crime scene, was hoping he was just being put in the shop window, we'll see. Gomes is a must if we can get him, his creativity wouldn't be in doubt if we'd have a top drawer CF, that's what we need to take the next step surely? but being stuck with a Morgan instead of landing a Gomes wouldn't be progress surely?

His numbers werenít great at Barcelona either. They had a forward.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 26, 2019, 11:38:34 PM
Fair enough mate, but he's not had long and already provided some lovely moments and would hate to see the full benefit gotten by someone else, he could be so fucking good for us and when we look at what we've paid for shite why not take the risk? it's no our money...:]

Yeah, man, I can feel that you donít really wanna marry him, but you donít like the thought of him sucking off someone else
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2019, 11:38:53 PM
His numbers werenít great at Barcelona either. They had a forward.
Just going off what iv'e seen of him here and in flashes have loved him and would like to see him stay and produce it more next season for us
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2019, 11:44:47 PM
Just going off what iv'e seen of him here and in flashes have loved him and would like to see him stay and produce it more next season for us

Donít get me wrong Iíd like us to sign him but he does appear to be very elegant without the numbers

I do worry what happens if we lose gueye. Not sure we can play Gomes and sigurdsson together without the defensive monster.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2019, 11:48:14 PM
Yeah, man, I can feel that you donít really wanna marry him, but you donít like the thought of him sucking off someone else
If he delivers his potential for us next season ill make the sacrifice and ditch the wife, if Andre needs me.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2019, 11:49:58 PM
Iíd be happy to see him come heís seemingly really bought into the club and done well in patches but I donít think heís the priority that Zouma should be.

Anything south of £20m though would be a great deal, and if we could offset that with selling Schneiderlin and Besic itís a no brainier really.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 26, 2019, 11:52:20 PM
I wouldn't want us to necessarily build anything around him, and see him as the solution or focal point of our midfield.

But I'd happily have him as a one of a compliment of 4/5 central midfielders who can all do different jobs, and have to battle it out in training and games to get in the team.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hesmenos on May 26, 2019, 11:52:46 PM
Just going off what iv'e seen of him here and in flashes have loved him and would like to see him stay and produce it more next season for us
I think most of us would love him to sign permanently, the difference is our evaluation. If its 20-25M meaning there's money left over to buy a proper no. 6 to play behind him then its a no brainer. But as the price gets closer to 40M then you wonder if we could use that money to buy someone who can do what he does but also defend or someone who can do what he does but also be more creative. (How much would Donny Van De Beek cost?)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
Donít get me wrong Iíd like us to sign him but he does appear to be very elegant without the numbers

I do worry what happens if we lose gueye. Not sure we can play Gomes and sigurdsson together without the defensive monster.
Yea would like to see Gueye,Zouma and Gomes stay, along with most fans probably, Gueye especially has been a massive improve this season fair play to him, Zouma just awsum from the off, Zouma also brings out the better side of Keane like Ben Mee did at Burnley, Gomes did have a spell helpin Gueye out defensively, thought he did well and it was pretty impressive to be fair to him, but he got stick for it from some but it was needs must at the time.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 27, 2019, 12:09:48 AM
I wouldn't want us to necessarily build anything around him, and see him as the solution or focal point of our midfield.

But I'd happily have him as a one of a compliment of 4/5 central midfielders who can all do different jobs, and have to battle it out in training and games to get in the team.

I totally agree.

I just donít think he does enough good stuff to warrant the likely outlay, though.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 27, 2019, 12:35:15 AM
Seems everyone needs adjustment time including a poorly performing manager, but Gomes has had all the time needed to fully adjust to his new situation, nothing like consistency in evaluation of staff.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 27, 2019, 01:44:08 AM
Done deal, 27 million, 3 year contract.

Source, piss head in my local who's mate works at Finch Farm.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 27, 2019, 02:17:34 AM
Seems everyone needs adjustment time including a poorly performing manager, but Gomes has had all the time needed to fully adjust to his new situation, nothing like consistency in evaluation of staff.

His numbers are consistent with his time at other clubs.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 27, 2019, 02:42:39 AM
His numbers are consistent with his time at other clubs.
They just weren't the right clubs..next season though is his time..
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Shogun on May 27, 2019, 05:57:16 AM
Done deal, 27 million, 3 year contract.

Source, piss head in my local who's mate works at Finch Farm.

Didn't know you had a mate who works in Finch Farm
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 27, 2019, 06:40:16 AM
Done deal, 27 million, 3 year contract.

Source, piss head in my local who's mate works at Finch Farm.

Mustnít grumble.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Toddacelli on May 27, 2019, 12:10:05 PM
He has that 'next level quality' look about him that makes me feel like he's an upgrade and makes hope that with one or two more upgrades around him - he could be a vital part of something great. It is just hope though, not full belief.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluebridge on May 27, 2019, 02:44:14 PM
Didn't know you had a mate who works in Finch Farm
Itís the piss heads mate he said 🤪
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: American Evertonian on May 27, 2019, 11:07:04 PM
West Ham bidding £18m is laughable.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 27, 2019, 11:26:34 PM
West Ham bidding £18m is laughable.
 

Might provoke us to get our skates on.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Free Agent on May 27, 2019, 11:34:46 PM
West Ham bidding £18m is laughable.

Reminds me of those phantom bids some clubs used to make  :whistle:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: American Evertonian on May 28, 2019, 01:28:40 AM
 

Might provoke us to get our skates on.

I assumed it was all papertalk until Sky started running with it. Can see us coming in for £25m and wrap it up
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: ally2 on May 28, 2019, 02:45:52 AM
Oh I miss phantom bids in a way.  Alan Smith was one wasn't he?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on May 28, 2019, 02:55:59 AM
Oh I miss phantom bids in a way.  Alan Smith was one wasn't he?

Yeah, I hung out with him a few times in my sisterís pub in Florida during Euro 2000; he was a nice lad, and I told him to sign for Everton then. Also met Steve Watson that year, told him the same, and he said ďThere might be sommet in that, KiddahĒ. He signed a couple of weeks later 🤗
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 28, 2019, 03:30:59 AM
Oh I miss phantom bids in a way.  Alan Smith was one wasn't he?

Don't forget the Rooney scam by Utd and Bobby Robson...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Gary1878 on May 28, 2019, 03:43:17 PM
Oh I miss phantom bids in a way.  Alan Smith was one wasn't he?

Alan Smith is synonymous with the classic phantom bid. No chance of him wanting to move to us, no money to buy to him, and I actually think we didn't want him and Leeds to say yes because then we would have actually had to pay for him.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hesmenos on May 28, 2019, 04:57:20 PM
Wasn't there one involving Shearer? Where we bid 10 million for him after Blackburn had already accepted 15 million from Newcastle
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on May 28, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
And Aaron Ramsey. "Agreed a fee" with Cardiff, just had to find the money to pay for it and better the offers from Arsenal and Man Utd....
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: formerKHL on May 28, 2019, 06:19:29 PM
GOMES....JUST SIGN HIM...
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: gizzblue on May 28, 2019, 08:23:20 PM
Think myself this would ve been done if it was cut n dried ... 

Love to be proved wrong but I've a horrible feeling on this .
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Robioto on May 28, 2019, 08:26:14 PM
Think myself this would ve been done if it was cut n dried ... 

Love to be proved wrong but I've a horrible feeling on this .

They always take longer than you think they should. Gomes will rightly be looking at all offers. It's still May, some of the big European leagues only finished over the weekend and Gomes may well want a break before going over his future.

I'm certainly not worried by a West Ham bid!
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Waltzer on May 28, 2019, 08:27:26 PM
Think myself this would ve been done if it was cut n dried ... 

Love to be proved wrong but I've a horrible feeling on this .

Everything is pure speculation at the moment, maybe Brands and Silva are working on better deals that make more financial sense, maybe they're negotiating with Barca, maybe a deal is agreed but Gomes wants time to consider his options? We seem to play our cards much closer to our chest now and things dont seem to get leaked, which is good for us as a club, but bad for fans!! :)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Robioto on May 28, 2019, 08:32:59 PM
Also Gomes might be waiting to see who takes over at Barcelona and see if he's in thier plans.

Imagine if Martinez or Koeman went in and they were the reason he didn't join us. The rage.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 28, 2019, 08:46:51 PM
He'll be thinking of a fuck off holiday, relaxing with family etc.. His agent will be calculating his next move but he'll get final say when he's ready to decide. I think we'll get him.. He likes us and that's a huge factor.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on May 28, 2019, 10:30:05 PM
Spurs bidding Ä60m for Giovani Lo Celso, could be the end of any interest they have in Gomes.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 28, 2019, 10:30:54 PM
Spurs bidding Ä60m for Giovani Lo Celso, could be the end of any interest they have in Gomes.

He's a wide player.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on May 28, 2019, 10:36:48 PM
Fair enough, haven't seen him at Betis - I saw him play as a box-to-box midfielder for PSG, in a similar role to Gomes.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 28, 2019, 10:42:51 PM
Dunno how legit this fella is

https://twitter.com/EFC_Insider/status/1133395524139257859
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: markB on May 28, 2019, 10:51:37 PM
He's a wide player.

yeah sure he is https://www.transfermarkt.com/giovani-lo-celso/leistungsdaten/spieler/348795

PSG fucked up letting this one go

if spurs are bidding that much for him someone has to be getting sold
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 29, 2019, 01:17:15 AM
Echo reckon Spurs are no longer interested in Gomes
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on May 29, 2019, 01:31:03 AM
...am I their source?

What a rag.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 29, 2019, 01:53:16 AM
Dunno how legit this fella is

https://twitter.com/EFC_Insider/status/1133395524139257859

Legit if I remember correctly.

Love the look of those alternatives.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on May 29, 2019, 02:33:06 AM
Legit if I remember correctly.

Love the look of those alternatives.
is that account reliable yeah? Seen it a few times but presumed it was some kid
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Heisenberg on May 29, 2019, 03:20:31 AM
...am I their source?

What a rag.

 lolol lolol lolol
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: dunkster on May 30, 2019, 09:19:06 PM
Yeah the gathering story is spurs have swapped their interest to James maddison
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 30, 2019, 09:19:55 PM
Yeah the gathering story is spurs have swapped their interest to James maddison
Totally different players but sound
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 30, 2019, 09:36:17 PM
Totally different players but sound

Perfectly feasible that they've prioritised bringing in a different position over CM assuming they have a limited transfer budget again
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 30, 2019, 09:37:09 PM
Perfectly feasible that they've prioritised bringing in a different position over CM assuming they have a limited transfer budget again
Not doubting that
I would say replacing eriksen would be top priority
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on May 30, 2019, 11:12:03 PM
He's a wide player.

Heís not. He plays in Gomesís position as an 8.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 30, 2019, 11:20:49 PM
He’s not. He plays in Gomes’s position as an 8.

Yeah, someone else said that. I saw him play wide the one time I've seen him, and looked at Whoscored and apparently he's played CM, AM, RW and LW.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Juanito on May 31, 2019, 01:55:57 AM
Yeah, someone else said that. I saw him play wide the one time I've seen him, and looked at Whoscored and apparently he's played CM, AM, RW and LW.


Oh right. Suppose he could do a job there cutting inside etc.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on May 31, 2019, 03:12:11 PM
Sky sports news understands that Spurs are no longer interested in signing Andre Gomes
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 31, 2019, 03:31:39 PM
Doubt there was anything ever in that.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 31, 2019, 03:35:35 PM
Doubt there was anything ever in that.

I think it made some sense but they have sissokho who does that job better I think.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 31, 2019, 03:46:26 PM
I think it made some sense but they have sissokho who does that job better I think.

Nahhhhhhhhh lad.

Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 31, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
Nahhhhhhhhh lad.



Ah you're not one of these sissokho is crap people are you?

He's got fellaini disease. Good player who is a meme.

Also I'm not talking about position btw just job of 'move the ball up the pitch'.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on May 31, 2019, 04:24:42 PM
Ah you're not one of these sissokho is crap people are you?

He's got fellaini disease. Good player who is a meme.

Also I'm not talking about position btw just job of 'move the ball up the pitch'.

Nah, think heís good. Love a powerful runner in midfield and heís very good at that

Bit too erractic on the ball for me though to say heís better than Gomes.

Plus, how long has he got left in him playing that way at his age?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Tinga on May 31, 2019, 04:41:29 PM
I love how Gomes is quality and more than this Everton side can attract but he still gets the 'hes not that good anyway didn't want him anyway' crap.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 31, 2019, 05:08:57 PM
Nah, think heís good. Love a powerful runner in midfield and heís very good at that

Bit too erractic on the ball for me though to say heís better than Gomes.

Plus, how long has he got left in him playing that way at his age?

All good points
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on May 31, 2019, 05:09:26 PM
I love how Gomes is quality and more than this Everton side can attract but he still gets the 'hes not that good anyway didn't want him anyway' crap.

Where's anyone said that?

I'm just glad we've moved past the 'better than arteta' phase of delusion.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: D15TIN on May 31, 2019, 07:51:56 PM
As someones said theyre probably paying more in a different position, Spurs wont spend massively I don't think

the player himself may have been saying he wants Everton anyway, so theyre dropping any interest, he's posted himself in an airport today on his insta, and still has 'Everton player' in his insta bio, woo ha
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Trowel on June 01, 2019, 03:09:40 PM
Mundo Deportivo say we've opened negotiations with Barca, looks like Ä30m is their valuation.

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20190601/462587603438/barca-andre-gomes.html
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Macca77 on June 01, 2019, 03:15:38 PM
Hes returned to Barca today cos his loan deal has expired
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 01, 2019, 03:53:37 PM
Hes returned to Barca today cos his loan deal has expired
This makes me sad
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Omar on June 01, 2019, 06:44:53 PM
Mundo Deportivo say we've opened negotiations with Barca, looks like Ä30m is their valuation.

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20190601/462587603438/barca-andre-gomes.html

Probably fair that. Would be nice to get them down to 25 though. Think theyíll say fuck off at 20.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: pjk on June 01, 2019, 07:10:42 PM
30 million euro's, he got to be worth that. that's about 7 million quid more than Schneiderlin. He's miles better than Schneiderlin. :)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 01, 2019, 07:16:52 PM
30 million euro's, he got to be worth that. that's about 7 million quid more than Schneiderlin. He's miles better than Schneiderlin. :)

500 colemans
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: pjk on June 01, 2019, 07:25:32 PM
500 colemans




Coleman is definitely a one off. Chances of doing that again, is unlikely. But yeah! 500 Colemans. "Runs out of fingers". :)
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on June 01, 2019, 09:31:19 PM
Morgan Schneiderlin, a genuine safety first crab, created more goal scoring chances per 90 minutes this year than..

Oh nevermind don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Hesmenos on June 01, 2019, 10:08:09 PM
That sweet no-look pass to Walcott from the free kick against Southampton.
Thought we where in for a season of clever free kick routines, Schneiderlin back to his best and Walcott to break his scoring record.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: sam of the south on June 01, 2019, 10:54:09 PM
That sweet no-look pass to Walcott from the free kick against Southampton.
Thought we where in for a season of clever free kick routines, Schneiderlin back to his best and Walcott to break his scoring record.


Haha, I thought similar!

Such a false dawn in that regard, although both looked decent in the run-in
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: TheRam on June 01, 2019, 11:00:33 PM
Not arsed about that myself.

Leave that business to the lads infront of him.



Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 01, 2019, 11:26:36 PM
Morgan Schneiderlin, a genuine safety first crab, created more goal scoring chances per 90 minutes this year than..

Oh nevermind don't worry about it.
The worst and most disingenuous post iv'e ever seen, absolute bollocks.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 02, 2019, 12:07:51 AM
Gomes is the type of player that shows (to me at least) why total and blind faith in the recent trend of 'stat bombs' for deciding if a player is good or not is a load of shite
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 02, 2019, 12:15:23 AM
Gomes is the type of player that shows (to me at least) why total and blind faith in the recent trend of 'stat bombs' for deciding if a player is good or not is a load of shite

I donít know. I think generally people dismiss the stats when they want to pretend a subpar player is doing enough. In almost all cases if a striker isnít getting goals heís a bit rubbish. If a midfielder isnít creating or tackling heís a bit rubbish too. You donít have to tick all the boxes stats wise but you have to be ticking some of them. I like Gomes. On his day heís very good on the eye. Iíd sooner someone with great stats for making goals and tackles though.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 02, 2019, 12:50:52 AM
I don't know. I think generally people dismiss the stats when they want to pretend a subpar player is doing enough. In almost all cases if a striker isn't getting goals he's a bit rubbish. If a midfielder isn't creating or tackling he's a bit rubbish too. You don't have to tick all the boxes stats wise but you have to be ticking some of them. I like Gomes. On his day he's very good on the eye. I'd sooner someone with great stats for making goals and tackles though.

I disagree. Stats are probably used as a guide, but I doubt theyíd sign a player based on stats alone without actually watching them. Iíve watched Gomes and I can confirm he is a class act.

How do you measure the confidence that Gomes in possession gives the players around him to move into space and expect the ball?


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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2019, 01:08:15 AM
Not arsed about that myself.

Leave that business to the lads infront of him.


Oh I'm not that arsed and still happy to sign him, he's nice isn't he. Nice to watch. Good ball progressor, so it would matter a lot less if we had really good creators ahead.

But come onnnnn. Surely you saying you're not arsed at ALL how he is when it comes to making chances compared to everyone else in the league who plays that position...little bit disingenuous surely
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2019, 02:18:46 AM
The worst and most disingenuous post iv'e ever seen, absolute bollocks.

Explain please?
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Nicco on June 02, 2019, 02:26:32 AM
Gomes is the type of player that shows (to me at least) why total and blind faith in the recent trend of 'stat bombs' for deciding if a player is good or not is a load of shite
Then we invent some stats for Gomes.

Like keeping-possession-while-under-pressure-so-your-team-mates-find-open-space-stat.

So now everyone is happy and we can buy him without a fuss

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Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 02, 2019, 03:23:53 AM
So we need 3 Siggys in centre mid cos he nails the goals stats  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2019, 03:58:43 AM
Aye that's exactly it lads.
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: Silas on June 02, 2019, 04:19:14 AM
I think having Gomes and Gueye together is quite limiting tbh but Iove both of them so it's a weird one
Title: Re: Goodison for Gomes?
Post by: brap2 on June 02, 2019, 07:53:30 PM
W