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Title: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 04:17:07 AM
What do we think of the new Gaffer’s tactics?

All the talk has been of a 433, but today it was more like 442 or 4411, with Sigurdson as the support striker behind Tosun.

Richarlison and Walcott looked like old style wingers.

Schneiderlin and Gueye were both very deep at times.

Obviously it all changed after the red card.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on August 12, 2018, 04:20:21 AM
What do we think of the new Gaffer’s tactics?

All the talk has been of a 433, but today it was more like 442 or 4411, with Sigurdson as the support striker behind Tosun.

Richarlison and Walcott looked like old style wingers.

Schneiderlin and Gueye were both very deep at times.

Obviously it all changed after the red card.

They way Sigurdsson played off Tosun is how I coyld see Bernard playing, so thats good to see its a system he wants to play whatever.

Think it'll be more 4-3-3 next week at home though.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on August 12, 2018, 04:38:20 AM
I think he’s a smart manager who will adapt his tactics and formation based on the personnel available, the strength of the opposition and where we’re playing.

Couldn’t play his usual 4-3-3 with that midfield or two slow centre backs so he played what was best for the team away from home and it should have got us three points if the ref hadn’t shit his pants.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:53:17 AM
He has the players on his side, Silva tongue he is - a big asset

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 04:55:59 AM
He has the players on his side, Silva tongue he is - a big asset



I read that as Yoda
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 05:00:31 AM
Noticed Schneiderlin in between the two centre halves a lot. Similar to what Barry did under Martinez.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 05:13:07 AM
Noticed Schneiderlin in between the two centre halves a lot. Similar to what Barry did under Martinez.

Yeah, and that’s where the similarities ended (between both Martinez’ and Silva’s tactics, and Schneiderlin’s and Barry’s talents ;) )
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 12, 2018, 01:37:14 PM
I read that as Yoda

It's the only way to really make sense of his haiku.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
Noticed Schneiderlin in between the two centre halves a lot. Similar to what Barry did under Martinez.

Thought Big Mo had a good game, and I'm really pleased about that. Hope he has a big season with us.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on August 12, 2018, 02:58:33 PM
Thought Big Mo had a good game, and I'm really pleased about that. Hope he has a big season with us.

It’s just still the issue of him with Gueye.

Along with neither of them really passing forward with any regularity they don’t seem to have a natural understanding defensively.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 03:03:53 PM
It’s just still the issue of him with Gueye.

Along with neither of them really passing forward with any regularity they don’t seem to have a natural understanding defensively.

Yep. I think you mentioned earlier, I fear for Gueye as I think Schneiderlin better suits how Silva wants to play, and is far better on the ball with a greater passing range. Against lesser sides I don't think we need Gueye 'the destroyer', but that's not to say he won't have a big part to play this season. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 03:04:29 PM
Thought Big Mo had a good game, and I'm really pleased about that. Hope he has a big season with us.

Yes he ran around a lot more but I kept an eye on him and nearly every pass is very McCarthy-esque. Before he received the ball he's always got one eye on the next backwards or sideways easy pass instead of picking his head up to see if a more progressive ball is on to catch the opposition out or capitalise on a bit of space. Which then leaves Gana to be the one to start an attack, which clearly isn't his strong point.

It's like he's got all the tools but doesn't want to use them and instead opts to play within himself. Frustrating player.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
Yes he ran around a lot more but I kept an eye on him and nearly every pass is very McCarthy-esque. Before he received the ball he's always got one eye on the next backwards or sideways easy pass instead of picking his head up to see if a more progressive ball is on to catch the opposition out or capitalise on a bit of space. Which then leaves Gana to be the one to start an attack, which clearly isn't his strong point.

It's like he's got all the tools but doesn't want to use them and instead opts to play within himself. Frustrating player.

I think there's still the case of confidence here, and the better he plays the more adventurous he'll become.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 03:13:25 PM
I think there's still the case of confidence here, and the better he plays the more adventurous he'll become.

You'd like to hope so. I think Silva is the type to put an arm round someone and tell them how good they are, or could be if they expressed themselves, so hopefully this rubs off on him as he's clearly a confidence player and not the strongest mentally.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: dunkster on August 12, 2018, 03:13:41 PM
Yes he ran around a lot more but I kept an eye on him and nearly every pass is very McCarthy-esque. Before he received the ball he's always got one eye on the next backwards or sideways easy pass instead of picking his head up to see if a more progressive ball is on to catch the opposition out or capitalise on a bit of space. Which then leaves Gana to be the one to start an attack, which clearly isn't his strong point.

It's like he's got all the tools but doesn't want to use them and instead opts to play within himself. Frustrating player.

Said similar to my boy that he lacks awareness of what's immediately around him. There were times Baines did well to get out of trouble and make a short pass inside to him and he could have taken the ball on more centrally and forwards but instead would often simply pass it straight back to where it came from.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on August 12, 2018, 03:25:31 PM
Thought Big Mo had a good game, and I'm really pleased about that. Hope he has a big season with us.

He could score 15 goals in a game and some people would struggle to give him any credit, thought he played really well yesterday and long may in continue.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:20:45 PM
Yoda man, Marco!

That's code blue, Sam of the South!

You Brighton belle, you
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 12, 2018, 04:21:23 PM
Yoda man, Marco!

That's code blue, Sam of the South!

You Brighton belle, you
What the fuck are you on about
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 12, 2018, 04:22:50 PM
Gueye is much better being progressive than you all give him credit for, he’s taking the ball and turning with it a lot more often.

I think I remember reading that he started his career as an attacking mid, so he’s hopefully starting to revive that part of his game
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 04:28:58 PM
Yoda man, Marco!

That's code blue, Sam of the South!

You Brighton belle, you

Have you ever thought about engaging in discussion on this forum, or do you solely see it as an opportunity to blurt out nonsensical clap-trap?!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 04:31:06 PM
Gueye is much better being progressive than you all give him credit for, he's taking the ball and turning with it a lot more often.

I think I remember reading that he started his career as an attacking mid, so he's hopefully starting to revive that part of his game

I don’t doubt his effort to join in with attacks, he’s just not very good at it. It’s just not his game, so if we want to push on we need better front-foot players. Enter Gomes and Bernard.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:32:40 PM
Nonsensical clap trap?

You speak for the majority!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cassius on August 12, 2018, 04:36:10 PM
Nonsensical clap trap?

You speak for the majority!

He does on this occasion, you rhyming loon.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:37:47 PM
For the uneducated!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 04:39:35 PM
Nonsensical clap trap?

You speak for the majority!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180812/8ca0c49b9463e1064b8c3db4e36689be.gif)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:44:57 PM
The boy done good
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 04:49:42 PM
Nonsensical clap trap?

You speak for the majority!

See? I mean; what the fuck mate?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:54:30 PM
Ditto - it's a comedy soap opera and you're part of it!

The NSNO Show
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 05:01:03 PM
Ditto - it's a comedy soap opera and you're part of it!

The NSNO Show

No, it's a forum where people come together to have discussions. Perhaps you missed that. Have you given Twitter a go?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 12, 2018, 05:19:12 PM
I was a little disappointed that after opening the scoring we became too cautious. It was a relatively early goal and I would have liked to see us step up and press more forcibly. Ultimately the match turned on some ponderous play at the back that was unnecessary against a Wolves side that froze on their big day.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 05:29:08 PM
I was a little disappointed that after opening the scoring we became too cautious. It was a relatively early goal and I would have liked to see us step up and press more forcibly. Ultimately the match turned on some ponderous play at the back that was unnecessary against a Wolves side that froze on their big day.

Yeah, I get what you’re saying, but this is a team that is coming off of a season of upheaval, where they played mostly dour football under two defensive managers and one chaotic, rookie one.

It will mainly be a confidence issue.

It will take time for the hangover to clear, but I’m optimistic it won’t last long at all.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 12, 2018, 05:32:13 PM
Yeah, I get what you’re saying, but this is a team that is coming off of a season of upheaval, where they played mostly dour football under two defensive managers and one chaotic, rookie one.

It will mainly be a confidence issue.

It will take time for the hangover to clear, but I’m optimistic it won’t last long at all.

Yes all those issues are valid; I just thought we should have sensed Wolves's vulnerability and were a little less cautious.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Tinga on August 12, 2018, 05:51:56 PM
If the guy wants to talk in 1950's newspaper headline speak, let him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: dazfrancis on August 12, 2018, 05:57:40 PM
https://twitter.com/HLTCO/status/1028535339227512833
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 06:09:15 PM
Yes all those issues are valid; I just thought we should have sensed Wolves's vulnerability and were a little less cautious.

Yeah I agree, it’s a shame we didn’t capitalise during that period.

And then of course it was made three times more sickening with Jagielka’s poor mistake, and then the equaliser coming directly from the avoidable incident. 

One of the most heartening things, though, was that we would’ve lost that match in the previous 9/10 years; Moyes’ 2008-2009 side was made of sterner stuff, and was quality before the injuries in that five month period to Yakubu, Arteta, and Jagielka, plus Lescott was still with us and playing brilliantly.

We would’ve been a regular ECL side if Coleman had emerged two years earlier than he did.

Sigh.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 06:17:23 PM
Some really good signs but we are going to have issues if this CM situation isn’t resolved in the near future.

Neither of them did anything wrong, both had good individual games, but they’re so poor at looking forward on the ball, and while they’re both good at 1v1 tackling, teams just pass through the middle of the pitch with ease, and we are terrible at stopping counters as well.

Plus Sig is playing off the striker so is nowhere near the ball.

Really have to hope Gomes works out so we can have Schneiderlin as a 6 with Gomes and another as CMs.

Going forward it’s going to be the richarlison show, hopefully Bernard can get fit soon and show some quality.
Still not 100% having Tosun, but he did OK.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 06:53:15 PM
Some really good signs but we are going to have issues if this CM situation isn’t resolved in the near future.

Neither of them did anything wrong, both had good individual games, but they’re so poor at looking forward on the ball, and while they’re both good at 1v1 tackling, teams just pass through the middle of the pitch with ease, and we are terrible at stopping counters as well.

Plus Sig is playing off the striker so is nowhere near the ball.

Really have to hope Gomes works out so we can have Schneiderlin as a 6 with Gomes and another as CMs.

Going forward it’s going to be the richarlison show, hopefully Bernard can get fit soon and show some quality.
Still not 100% having Tosun, but he did OK.



Agree entirely.

When all our squad are firing, my ideal would be this 18 (if Lookman stays and grabs his opportunity, all the new boys settle and blossom, and Walcott becomes the good version of Michael Owen)

                          Pickford
           Coleman Mina Zouma Digne
                  Gomes Schneiderlin
                          Bernard
            Lookman Walcott Richarlison

Stekelenburg, Holgate, Baines, Gana, Davies, Tosun, Niasse
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 12, 2018, 06:58:11 PM
Agree entirely.

When all our squad are firing, my ideal would be this 18 (if Lookman stays and grabs his opportunity, all the new boys settle and blossom, and Walcott becomes the good version of Michael Owen)

                          Pickford
           Coleman Mina Zouma Digne
                  Gomes Schneiderlin
                          Bernard
            Lookman Walcott Richarlison

Stekelenburg, Holgate, Baines, Gana, Davies, Tosun, Niasse

I'd have Sig in there ahead of Davies.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 07:01:59 PM
Hardly discussions in most cases, Jamokachi - slagging off, more like

Twitter? I leave that to Trump

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 07:07:28 PM
I'd have Sig in there ahead of Davies.

I did ponder.

I just don’t fully believe in him.

He hides from the ball a lot, which Davies never does.

Davies is capable of a throughball, haven’t seen Sigurdsson do that.

Sigurdsson is also really slow when he’s contesting lose balls, whereas Davies is good in those situations.

Sigurdsson has quality on the ball and can be a great finisher, but it seems very few and far between, and his set pieces are very hit and miss, and if Bernard and Digne step up they are more than capable of taking over those duties.

I do confess that the fee does make me expect more of him, but even if he was £20m I still think I wouldn’t be that impressed by him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 12, 2018, 07:15:27 PM
I did ponder.

I just don’t fully believe in him.

He hides from the ball a lot, which Davies never does.

Davies is capable of a throughball, haven’t seen Sigurdsson do that.

Sigurdsson is also really slow when he’s contesting lose balls, whereas Davies is good in those situations.

Sigurdsson has quality on the ball and can be a great finisher, but it seems very few and far between, and his set pieces are very hit and miss, and if Bernard and Digne step up they are more than capable of taking over those duties.

I do confess that the fee does make me expect more of him, but even if he was £20m I still think I wouldn’t be that impressed by him.

I hear you. But he's a much better player than Davies.

We did overpay. Still, he'll make Richarlison look an even bigger bargain :)

Hoping Bernard does the business. Can't wait to see him in full flow.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 07:19:30 PM
I hear you. But he's a much better player than Davies.

We did overpay. Still, he'll make Richarlison look an even bigger bargain :)

Hoping Bernard does the business. Can't wait to see him in full flow.

Yeah, he does have more ‘quality’ than Davies, but I think Davies offers us more of what we ‘need’ than Sigurdsson, especially if Bernard, Richarlison, Lookman, and Gomes offer us that stardust, technique, quality, and productivity (cringe) that Sigurdsson was supposed to offer us in spades.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 07:20:42 PM
We’ll always discuss the performance of individual players, but the biggest positive for me yesterday was that we looked like a better team and there were glimmers of good coaching in some of our attacking moves.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 07:22:49 PM
We’ll always discuss the performance of individual players, but the biggest positive for me yesterday was that we looked like a better team and there were glimmers of good coaching in some of our attacking moves.

Yes, the good coaching and organisation was blatantly obvious, I thought.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 07:42:53 PM
Good assessment of Silva’s approach and influence yesterday


https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/everton-verdict-marco-silvas-brave-15019444
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 07:52:49 PM
Hardly discussions in most cases, Jamokachi - slagging off, more like

It really isn't. There's plenty of proper discussion that goes on. You should try it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 08:05:16 PM
Sigurdsson situation is sad. If Bernard is half decent Sigurdsson will be out the side by Christmas.

Walcott and Coleman next on the list after that.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 12, 2018, 08:18:32 PM
Sigurdsson situation is sad. If Bernard is half decent Sigurdsson will be out the side by Christmas.

Walcott and Coleman next on the list after that.

No way will Coleman be out the team
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toffee1 on August 12, 2018, 08:21:33 PM
Seamus will be full time captain by Christmas.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 12, 2018, 08:24:18 PM
No way will Coleman be out the team

I think he's talking in terms of going through the team and upgrading the next weakest area.

For me, Schneiderlin and Gana followed by Tuson would be the next upgrade. Then you'd probably have to look at Coleman and Walcott afterwards.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 08:33:53 PM
No way will Coleman be out the team

No I agree, can’t have Kenny playing ffs.

He’s on my list though. That ball to niasse at the end. Watching him carefully this year and potentially we have to face up to the fact that he’s washed and was maybe washed before his injury.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 12, 2018, 08:42:32 PM
No I agree, can’t have Kenny playing ffs.

He’s on my list though. That ball to niasse at the end. Watching him carefully this year and potentially we have to face up to the fact that he’s washed and was maybe washed before his injury.

I reckon you’re proper harsh with your judgments of players.

Every player has their faults.

You seem to just want to drop everyone.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 12, 2018, 08:42:53 PM
Nonsense about Coleman. He's playing really well. He just fucked a pass up, and tbh, he's never been someone with a lot of touch and finesse.

Walcott's fine too. Should've been played in a couple of times and would've bagged had he been.

I also think you're far too quick to write Gylfi off.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 12, 2018, 08:43:40 PM
I reckon you’re proper harsh with your judgments of players.

Every player has their faults.

You seem to just want to drop everyone.

Think some of it is to get a reaction tbh. It's a bit nonsensical and scattergun at times.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 12, 2018, 08:43:59 PM
No I agree, can't have Kenny playing ffs.

He's on my list though. That ball to niasse at the end. Watching him carefully this year and potentially we have to face up to the fact that he's washed and was maybe washed before his injury.
Not having that at all pal
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 12, 2018, 08:47:35 PM
No I agree, can’t have Kenny playing ffs.

He’s on my list though. That ball to niasse at the end. Watching him carefully this year and potentially we have to face up to the fact that he’s washed and was maybe washed before his injury.

Think youre way off. But thats not really an anomaly.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: april on August 12, 2018, 08:56:56 PM
Is a “playbook” another word for tactics? It sounds like something from a nursery school.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 12, 2018, 08:59:40 PM
Is a “playbook” another word for tactics? It sounds like something from a nursery school.

Think the OP is trying to be clever?? Silver Linings Playbook??
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 09:07:43 PM
Think the OP is trying to be clever?? Silver Linings Playbook??

Nasty.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 09:13:06 PM
Getting panned here!

Neither are issues for the squad where we are at the minute so barely worth thinking about but Coleman has deffo made my list with that pass.

Gylfi, like Walcott and Coleman actually, is a very good player, he’s a prem standard reliable player and I’m glad we have him in the side.

Hopefully when we’re settled a place will naturally show for him in the side, but as it stands I just don’t really know where he’s going to be.

This drop into CM isn’t going to happen. I thought Koeman had it planned for him but clearly not, we keep saying silva might but he’s not played there once.

We have a slow, classic number 10 playing in a side that doesn’t play with a number 10, and wants to break with pace...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 12, 2018, 09:31:13 PM
Getting panned here!

Neither are issues for the squad where we are at the minute so barely worth thinking about but Coleman has deffo made my list with that pass.

Gylfi, like Walcott and Coleman actually, is a very good player, he’s a prem standard reliable player and I’m glad we have him in the side.

Hopefully when we’re settled a place will naturally show for him in the side, but as it stands I just don’t really know where he’s going to be.

This drop into CM isn’t going to happen. I thought Koeman had it planned for him but clearly not, we keep saying silva might but he’s not played there once.

We have a slow, classic number 10 playing in a side that doesn’t play with a number 10, and wants to break with pace...
Your'e only doing what proper staff have to do, plan for when players are done or need upgrading, you might be a bit too revolutionary for some but keep on trucking..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 09:52:39 PM
Getting panned here!

Neither are issues for the squad where we are at the minute so barely worth thinking about but Coleman has deffo made my list with that pass.

Gylfi, like Walcott and Coleman actually, is a very good player, he’s a prem standard reliable player and I’m glad we have him in the side.

Hopefully when we’re settled a place will naturally show for him in the side, but as it stands I just don’t really know where he’s going to be.

This drop into CM isn’t going to happen. I thought Koeman had it planned for him but clearly not, we keep saying silva might but he’s not played there once.

We have a slow, classic number 10 playing in a side that doesn’t play with a number 10, and wants to break with pace...

I think Coleman is still top class in the main, and Walcott is still pacy and intelligent (despite what was generally said about him before I had a reason to scrutinise him every week)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 10:01:21 PM
Think some of it is to get a reaction tbh. It's a bit nonsensical and scattergun at times.
Think youre way off. But thats not really an anomaly.

Annoyed me a bit these two actually - I know it shouldn’t but there we go.

Explain if you can - what have I said so nonesensical or so way off?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 12, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Coleman needs to be a little more consistent and decisive with his end product. There was also the weak shot in the first half when he had space and options in the box. 
He's shone in a struggling team for a few years and I think he can be a big part of an improving team with a little more composure.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 10:41:36 PM
Plenty of proper discussion, there is, Jamokachi

Take a look at "Everton Zoum In" and "Goodison For Gomez?"

Don't see many factual topics started by you, recently - you should try it, sometime....................
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 12, 2018, 11:07:50 PM
I reckon Walcott has still got plenty to give this team....quality player.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cassius on August 12, 2018, 11:08:18 PM
I'm not having that Coleman shout. Defensively, I thought he was superb yesterday. It was the first game of the season, I'll forgive him for that pass.

Walcott will get better as he gets games in - I don't think he played much during pre-season? However I just don't think he'll string enough games together because he's made out of glass, so I can see what you're saying.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 11:17:55 PM
Annoyed me a bit these two actually - I know it shouldn’t but there we go.

Explain if you can - what have I said so nonesensical or so way off?

Yeah, struck me as a tad harsh.



























We should all take off our shirts and kiss.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 11:41:03 PM
Walcott scores two yesterday if his teammates are up to it. Nothing wrong with his game, he's had no pre season and will be one of our better players if we start to shift the ball at pace with a bit of invention.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 12, 2018, 11:59:00 PM
Annoyed me a bit these two actually - I know it shouldn’t but there we go.

Explain if you can - what have I said so nonesensical or so way off?

Just some of the 'flapping' (hate the use of this word) over the past couple of weeks and certain writing off players like Coleman etc seems to be way over the top.

Like you Brap, so not having a go, prob didnt need to add the anomaly part.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 12, 2018, 11:59:58 PM
Walcott scores two yesterday if his teammates are up to it. Nothing wrong with his game, he's had no pre season and will be one of our better players if we start to shift the ball at pace with a bit of invention.
He has everything to achieve it, he always has ability wise.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 13, 2018, 12:06:57 AM
Annoyed me a bit these two actually - I know it shouldn’t but there we go.

Explain if you can - what have I said so nonesensical or so way off?

Just think you're being relentlessly negative at the moment, and when one of your negative concerns is dealt with, you quickly move onto another.

You've been going on all pre-season like we're close to meltdown, and now that's clearly not the case, you appear to have moved onto writing off half of the first team (in my eyes, without any justification).
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 13, 2018, 12:17:36 AM
Just some of the 'flapping' (hate the use of this word) over the past couple of weeks and certain writing off players like Coleman etc seems to be way over the top.

Like you Brap, so not having a go, prob didnt need to add the anomaly part.
Where's Coleman been written off? maybe wondering if he'll get back to his best after what he's been through that's about it, probably one of the most loved players ever, teams that stay at the top plan well ahead for every position, it's just normal.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2018, 12:17:38 AM
The Coleman shout is mad.

Obviously has his limitations, but he’s still one of the best full backs in the league for me.

Mouldered himself into a very good, modern day full back.

Have to say @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) I always enjoy your posts but you’re writing off and dismissing a lot of players for me.



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 13, 2018, 12:24:59 AM
Where's Coleman been written off? maybe wondering if he'll get back to his best after what he's been through that's about it, probably one of the most loved players ever, teams that stay at the top plan well ahead for every position, it's just normal.

Brap has been writing players off all over the shop for a while. Just see the other posters agreeing...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: van der Meyde on August 13, 2018, 12:27:50 AM
Annoyed me a bit these two actually - I know it shouldn’t but there we go.

Explain if you can - what have I said so nonesensical or so way off?
Thought it was all bang on, to be honest.

They're not massive issues right now and there were more pressing needs to address this summer.

But Coleman, who'll be turning 31 next season, and Gueye, Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin who'll be turning 30 should definitely all be next on the list for replacing.

Tosun? He's fine for right now, but by money we've had three strikers who were better than him over the past 10 years (Lukaku, obviously, and I preferred Saha and Yakubu). Especially given he's not really an ideal fit for Silva's system.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 13, 2018, 12:33:51 AM
Brap has been writing players off all over the shop for a while. Just see the other posters agreeing...
The way i read it he gave an opinion of the order players would be replaced and nobody was "right now" if the ambition is to challenge the top it will have to happen eventually, he was posting his thought of an order it might take place in his opinion that's all...is how i took it anyway...Even if anybody thought it should be tomorrow they should be able to think it or write it without dramas, just debate it, it's what a forum is, or should be. be fucking boring if we all felt the same about everything.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 13, 2018, 12:37:12 AM
The way i read it he gave an opinion of the order players would be replaced and nobody was "right now" if the ambition is to challenge the top it will have to happen eventually, he was posting his thought of an order it might take place in his opinion that's all...is how i took it anyway...Even if anybody thought it should be tomorrow they should be able to think it or write it without dramas, just debate it, it's what a forum is, or should be. be fucking boring if we all felt the same about everything.

Have i said he cant express his opinions?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 13, 2018, 12:38:17 AM
Coleman's good for this season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 13, 2018, 12:39:35 AM
Have i said he cant express his opinions?
I wasn't criticising anyone mate i meant in general that's all..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 12:45:27 AM
Just think you're being relentlessly negative at the moment, and when one of your negative concerns is dealt with, you quickly move onto another.

You've been going on all pre-season like we're close to meltdown, and now that's clearly not the case, you appear to have moved onto writing off half of the first team (in my eyes, without any justification).

Had we not made the signings that we made on deadline day we would have been in meltdown. I was absolutely terrified of that and being honest I’d have rather we got the deals done earlier than we did yeah.

I wasn’t fucking going on like anything though. I’m not here starting ‘we’re all doomed’ threads. I had my issues with the squad and I still have issues with the squad. If there were no issues with the squad we’d win the league. Any problems I’ve got are based on my opinions on the side we’ve been watching, not random mardy wham like you’re suggesting.

The issues I had with the squad have begun to be addressed. The issues that have not been addressed I am on the forum talking about.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 01:05:33 AM
The Coleman shout is mad.

Obviously has his limitations, but he’s still one of the best full backs in the league for me.

Mouldered himself into a very good, modern day full back.

Have to say @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) I always enjoy your posts but you’re writing off and dismissing a lot of players for me.





I love him, but we’ve no back up or competition and he’s 30 this year, playing in a very physically demanding position.

He’s always been more of a blood and thunder player who has relied on his unbelievable athleticism more than being a baller.

Phenomenal player, but I don’t want to end up with a Jags situation. Unbelievable player for us, but because of squad building failures we’re now at the point where he’s slated regularly and we’ll all be grateful when we see the back of him.

We’re a way off that yet. But he’s on the list and it’s fair to say that imo.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 01:22:58 AM
Brap has been writing players off all over the shop for a while. Just see the other posters agreeing...

Have I though? Genuine question, the only ones I can think of me really not liking have mostly been binned!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mouse on August 13, 2018, 01:35:57 AM
I love him, but we’ve no back up or competition and he’s 30 this year, playing in a very physically demanding position.

He’s always been more of a blood and thunder player who has relied on his unbelievable athleticism more than being a baller.

Phenomenal player, but I don’t want to end up with a Jags situation. Unbelievable player for us, but because of squad building failures we’re now at the point where he’s slated regularly and we’ll all be grateful when we see the back of him.

We’re a way off that yet. But he’s on the list and it’s fair to say that imo.
I agree wth your general point about Coleman. It would be myopic not to be planning a replacement. We don't need a Baines situation at right back and I'm not sure Kenny is the answer.

Although, I'm not convinced Coleman is near to his swansong. It all really depends upon his recovery and long-term fitness after the injury, but I think he is an intelligent footballer and he can adapt to Silva's needs in much the same way (sorry for this) as Milner has adapted to Klopp.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 13, 2018, 01:50:43 AM
I'm looking forward to the day where we need an upgrade on Richarlison :)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 13, 2018, 02:17:15 AM
I'm looking forward to the day where we need an upgrade on Richarlison :)
Would be a good sign.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 13, 2018, 02:20:31 AM
I must admit, I love Coleman, but if we’re not looking at his potential successor then we’re in a Baines shaped hole again.

We can’t let our right hand side fall apart just as we look to have solved our left hand side after 2 years of not being on top of it.

And to side with ma boi @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) in wanting the new right back to be better than peak Coleman - remember, I love Coleman - we should aim to always have one of the 5 best full backs in the league on each side. We’ve have that with Baines and Coleman.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 02:22:30 AM
Coleman will easily go into his mid thirties there’s no worry there. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 13, 2018, 02:25:24 AM
With Baines on his way out, it'll leave a bit of a tear. He was never my favorite player, but a player who always gives his best and he is of course class.

Perhaps it's sad because it's the end of the generation of players that really epitomised the club in themid 2000s up and it should have won something.

It's also unreal that Coleman is approaching the last of the summer wine regarding his career as well.

Very happy that we seem to potentially have that squad togetherness again with the new boys coming in. After last season, it's clear that character is as vital as ability.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 02:30:27 AM
With Baines on his way out, it'll leave a bit of a tear. He was never my favorite player, but a player who always gives his best and he is of course class.

Perhaps it's sad because it's the end of the generation of players that really epitomised the club in themid 2000s up and it should have won something.

It's also unreal that Coleman is approaching the last of the summer wine regarding his career as well.

Very happy that we seem to potentially have that squad togetherness again with the new boys coming in. After last season, it's clear that character is as vital as ability.

Yeah it would mean a great deal to me if some of these players could sign off with a trophy. Coleman, Jags and Baines posing with a trophy would make me cry I think.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mouse on August 13, 2018, 02:43:30 AM
I'm looking forward to the day where we need an upgrade on Richarlison :)
Ah, perchance to dream  :thumbsup:
Title: Silva's Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2018, 02:51:14 AM
I agree with @brap2 in principle - as in we should always be looking for the next progression plan. But I think more specifically it's Kenny who needs to be replaced by a young hot prospect, to be groomed (not Saville-like) to how our team plays.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2018, 03:26:22 AM
Didn’t know he was 29.

Have to think what type of player he can be once he loses that explosiveness he has.

I like Kenny myself but he’s not good enough really.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Risky on August 13, 2018, 04:16:40 AM
Didn’t know he was 29.

Have to think what type of player he can be once he loses that explosiveness he has.

I like Kenny myself but he’s not good enough really.

I think you probably are right about Kenny but thing was he was thrown in the deep end last season where he had to play every game for a long time and in a team playing shit.  I'd like to give him some more time where he can play less frequently and in a team that's playing well before I completely write him off.  Chances are that he'll still not be good enough but I think judging him on last season it a little harsh.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 13, 2018, 04:26:53 AM
Reckon there’s a dodgy batch of weed about at the moment...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 04:35:30 AM
I think you probably are right about Kenny but thing was he was thrown in the deep end last season where he had to play every game for a long time and in a team playing shit.  I'd like to give him some more time where he can play less frequently and in a team that's playing well before I completely write him off.  Chances are that he'll still not be good enough but I think judging him on last season it a little harsh.

The one thing that gives me pause is that kenny’s style for the U23’s Everton & England is very different from what we’ve seen for us.

Maybe it’s the step up in quality and the lack of time on the ball, or maybe physically it’s a more even match at U23 level compared to the prem, none of which is like particularly surprising, but can he get past whatever it is?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 13, 2018, 06:08:01 AM
The one thing that gives me pause is that kenny’s style for the U23’s Everton & England is very different from what we’ve seen for us.

Maybe it’s the step up in quality and the lack of time on the ball, or maybe physically it’s a more even match at U23 level compared to the prem, none of which is like particularly surprising, but can he get past whatever it is?

He's not big enough (or at least not with his speed) to be more than a squad player at our level.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 06:24:11 AM
Was thinking before about Rooney begin shoehorned into CM by 3 different managers because we absolutely needed someone in the middle of the pitch to show for the ball and pass it forwards.

Really hope Gomes has a bit of this in his locker, and Silva can maybe sprinkle a bit of whatever he used on Doucore on him and turn him into a genuine line-breaker either by dribbling or by passing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Makis on August 13, 2018, 01:49:03 PM
It's a bit silly to think about replacing Coleman. By the time this is required things have changed, probably more than once. It's very likely we have a new manager, maybe there's been more than one change. Obviously it would be best Silva is here for the next 3-4 years but it's really quite rare.

Assuming Mina is actually good and Holgate lives up to his promise we should be set for CB. Digne was signed for LB. If Bernard is as good as we hope then we have a good situation in the wings, althought if Lookman leaves we might use someone else there as well. Walcott is obviously not getting any younger but if he can stay relatively fit he's a decent foil for Richarlison and Bernard. So the position I expect Brands and Silva are concentrating most is centre forward. Central mid could also well be a position unless Gomes is a revelation (I think we have a loan-to-buy agreement with Barca?). Sigurdsson also needs to pick his game up or it will be another position that will need some shaking.

By the time we get to Coleman there have been unforeseen changes. Some players have been sold because they were so good. Some others dumped because they're not good enough.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 02:07:25 PM
Imo Silva and Brands looks very aware of age + wage.

The likes of Gylfi, Walcott, yes even Coleman, are going to have to keep a certain level of performance up. Just ask Bolasie.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 13, 2018, 03:07:29 PM
I think the middle of the park and striker will be the places we address next summer.

The year after is when we need to make a decision about how long left Coleman has (and at that point, probably Walcott & Sigurdsson as well at that point.

However, top European clubs nicking our players will ruin all our best laid theoretical plans and we could be looking for a new keeper and left winger next year instead.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 13, 2018, 04:24:27 PM
Imo Silva and Brands looks very aware of age + wage.

The likes of Gylfi, Walcott, yes even Coleman, are going to have to keep a certain level of performance up. Just ask Bolasie.

In fairness though, Bolasie is awful.

I do agree with your point though. We always have to be considering "who next". And that player should always be an upgrade if we are to improve.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 13, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
I think the middle of the park and striker will be the places we address next summer.

The year after is when we need to make a decision about how long left Coleman has (and at that point, probably Walcott & Sigurdsson as well at that point.

However, top European clubs nicking our players will ruin all our best laid theoretical plans and we could be looking for a new keeper and left winger next year instead.

Hopefully. It'll have meant they've been successful. Until we get to the stage where we're genuinely challenging for something we'll always get our best talent cherry picked. The key will be to have a rolling conveyor belt of talent to get us through until we break the ceiling.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 18, 2018, 05:02:26 AM
He's told the new lads to learn English, and wants to improve his own so that he doesn't use Portuguese in training in the future. I like it. I think a common language is important to avoid cliques, and to integrate better:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/17/marco-silva-richarlison-bernard-yerry-mina-speak-english-everton
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 18, 2018, 05:25:16 AM
God I’m buying into Silva hard you know.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 18, 2018, 05:34:47 AM
God I’m buying into Silva hard you know.

I’m more than ready to be hurt again.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 19, 2018, 06:06:10 PM
Went with a 442 (ish) again with 2 sitting midfielders. Schneiderlin/Davies being the deepest man at times with the two CBs splitting wide.

Sigurdson is benefiting from being played in this position too, I think this is where he plays for Iceland. Loved his change of feet to draw the foul for the free-kick leading to the first goal.

Not too worried about Tosun not scoring yet, he’s a good foil for Richarlison and Walcott.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: van der Meyde on August 19, 2018, 06:10:53 PM
There were at least 3 free kicks/corners which looked well prepared, so I was pleased to hear Carlos Carvalhal saying there that he knew Silva worked really hard on set pieces.

It's the kind of thing that could give us a real edge.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 19, 2018, 06:12:06 PM
God I’m buying into Silva hard you know.
This x 100. It was so refreshing seeing the team press so much and look like they really want it. Attacking interplay was quality. My kind if football.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 19, 2018, 07:47:41 PM
The value of having a manager that works with players and noticeably improves them through training can’t be understated.

10 of last season’s team playing and they look unrecognisable already. And it’s still very early.

While I do get the comparison with Martinez’s first year, because it feels similar in that he’s getting limited players to play more expansive football, I think Silva’s approach is much more stable and sustainable. I think that because it’s based on hard work, structure and attention to detail, unlike Martinez’s flighty ‘go and dazzle with your natural talent’ approach.

As I said when he first signed, I think he’ll be our best manager since Kendall.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 19, 2018, 08:00:20 PM
I'm pleased and confident we're heading in the right direction when our manager brings a striker on for another when we were 2:1 up. Allardyce would never contemplate that. I think we have a good team off the pitch who know where they are taking us and a manager who will deliver the football we want to see.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on August 19, 2018, 08:17:23 PM
He's going to hurt me like Martinez did isn't he the bastard.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toddacelli on August 19, 2018, 09:27:06 PM
He's going to hurt me like Martinez did isn't he the bastard.

Yep.

And you're going to love it - right up until the moment you don't any more.

And we all will too.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lazarou on August 20, 2018, 12:27:00 AM
Really enjoying the fact we appear to actually have a plan being implemented, even at this early stage there is obviously work going on to get the team doing specific things on the pitch that Marco wants. Interchange of positions, defending from the front, wing play, front man occupying the defence to allow the wingers to be involved, set piece routines, triangles of passing to move up the pitch, centre midfielders dropping deep to start the play from the back and also the partnerships being developed right across the pitch. The list goes on.

We really have not been properly coached for years.

Note to self: Pre season really is about fitness.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 20, 2018, 01:12:34 AM
One weird thing I’ve noticed is that Schniederlin (and Besic in pre-season) drops into the ‘back three’ when we’re playing out from the back.

A lot of teams do it, but for us they drop into the left or right of a back three, not back between the CBs like you normally see.

No idea what it means, but it’s repeating and happening with whoever is playing that role so it must be intentional
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 20, 2018, 01:22:14 AM
One weird thing I've noticed is that Schniederlin (and Besic in pre-season) drops into the "back three' when we're playing out from the back.

A lot of teams do it, but for us they drop into the left or right of a back three, not back between the CBs like you normally see.

No idea what it means, but it's repeating and happening with whoever is playing that role so it must be intentional

Yeah I like this, Davies did it when he came on too. The fullbacks push high up we go to a very wide 3 at the back.. must be to put us firmly in possession of the ball ready to start an attack.

The coaching is evident in the types of runs we’re making, the set pieces and the build up play. We look well drilled (not anally) all over the field at the moment, which is a nice surprise after the very shaky looking pre season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 20, 2018, 05:08:54 PM
Noticed the nice intricate triangles on the left flank are coming back too. Baines, Richarlison and A.N.Other starting off attacks down that side again. It's what Baines brings you from that position, different angles in which to build a passage of play from.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 20, 2018, 05:24:16 PM
Noticed the nice intricate triangles on the left flank are coming back too. Baines, Richarlison and A.N.Other starting off attacks down that side again. It's what Baines brings you from that position, different angles in which to build a passage of play from.

He’s just still so fucking good.

I’m absolutely terrified for us when he finally has to go.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 21, 2018, 12:42:02 AM
@kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) your mate Ted has us behind Fulham this year with our transfer strategy ‘a mess’
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on August 21, 2018, 01:28:48 AM
@kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) your mate Ted has us behind Fulham this year with our transfer strategy ‘a mess’

I respect his work overall but I think he's off with that prediction.

We have the benefit of a relatively settled side (ten returning players plus Richarlison), with the potential to add more creativity (Bernard for a midfielder) and more defensive quality and an extra set piece threat (Mina for Holgate/Keane) with a couple of small changes.

Fulham have only a handful of returning starters -- Cairney, Sessengnon, Mitrovic, and sometimes Christie or Kamara. That means they need a lot of new faces to perform right away. Jokanovic might eventually mold them into an effective unit but I think they're going to drop a lot of points while they find the right mix.

I'm not sure who else is going to emerge out of the mid-table pack but for right now, I'd argue that Leicester is a stronger challenger for 7th than Fulham.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 21, 2018, 01:43:50 AM
I respect his work overall but I think he's off with that prediction.

We have the benefit of a relatively settled side (ten returning players plus Richarlison), with the potential to add more creativity (Bernard for a midfielder) and more defensive quality and an extra set piece threat (Mina for Holgate/Keane) with a couple of small changes.

Fulham have only a handful of returning starters -- Cairney, Sessengnon, Mitrovic, and sometimes Christie or Kamara. That means they need a lot of new faces to perform right away. Jokanovic might eventually mold them into an effective unit but I think they're going to drop a lot of points while they find the right mix.

I'm not sure who else is going to emerge out of the mid-table pack but for right now, I'd argue that Leicester is a stronger challenger for 7th than Fulham.

I agree, question marks over Puel tho?

Think ted is discounting Bernard due to Ukraine, discounting Everton because most of our signings aren’t stats-bod-approved e.g digne, zouma, Tosun, Walcott, Sigurdsson and finally overweighting the stats-bod approved players at Fulham - mitro, sessegnon and serri.

Does make me doubt my confidence a little bit as there’s not a lot of people out there shouting about us which is understandable. Hoping Mina and Bernard can shock a few and Silva has more to him than we’ve seen at Watford and Hull.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Danny on August 21, 2018, 01:45:35 AM
Went with a 442 (ish) again with 2 sitting midfielders. Schneiderlin/Davies being the deepest man at times with the two CBs splitting wide.

Sigurdson is benefiting from being played in this position too, I think this is where he plays for Iceland. Loved his change of feet to draw the foul for the free-kick leading to the first goal.

Not too worried about Tosun not scoring yet, he’s a good foil for Richarlison and Walcott.

I'll be more worried about Tosun if he hasn't bagged 2 or 3 by the 7th game, we've got such a good run of fixtures that if he can't score against those teams it'll be a huge red flag.

On Kenny he should have been loaned out and maybe will be if we can get another younger RB cover for next season, it's not like with strikers and midfielders where if you're winning 2-0 you can bring them on, you never really want to make an RB sub unless there is an injury.

The loan to Blackpool did Coleman a world of good and putting on some weight and a full season at a decent club could make him step up a level.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on August 22, 2018, 04:22:59 PM
This is a nice little summary of what Silva has changed since arriving in June. :)



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/slowly-but-surely-how-marco-silva-is-changing-everton/ar-BBMh9eI?li=AAwmeM7&ocid=mailsignout
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 22, 2018, 05:10:16 PM
I'll be more worried about Tosun if he hasn't bagged 2 or 3 by the 7th game, we've got such a good run of fixtures that if he can't score against those teams it'll be a huge red flag.

On Kenny he should have been loaned out and maybe will be if we can get another younger RB cover for next season, it's not like with strikers and midfielders where if you're winning 2-0 you can bring them on, you never really want to make an RB sub unless there is an injury.

The loan to Blackpool did Coleman a world of good and putting on some weight and a full season at a decent club could make him step up a level.
I wouldnt worry about Tosuns output at the moment. He seems to be taking a backseat role in our strike force to allow Walcott and Richarlison to flourish.
As the team gets more comfortable with all their roles i imagine he will start taking more risks up top rather than just holding the ball up well, as he has been for the opening 2 games.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lazarou on August 22, 2018, 06:04:10 PM
I plagiarised one of the practice routines Silva has been doing on one of the youtube videos for the Under 11's I coach it may not have been 100% accurate but very close, they loved it as I did. I could do with a few more from him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 22, 2018, 06:20:35 PM
We made a few semi chances (including walcott’s disallowed goal) from driven cutbacks at the byline at the weekend.

Imo Tosun and Gylfi will get on the end of plenty of these. Statistically speaking one of the best ways to produce high quality chances.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 22, 2018, 06:39:54 PM
I plagiarised one of the practice routines Silva has been doing on one of the youtube videos for the Under 11's I coach it may not have been 100% accurate but very close, they loved it as I did. I could do with a few more from him.

Did you see the Simeone one about clearing second balls?

Defender has to control a lofted pass and then gets rushed by two players and clear it before they are on him.

I’m not a coach at all but I love watching coaching drills. There’s a few good accounts on twitter that post good possession based attacking and small side coaching drills.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lazarou on August 22, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
Did you see the Simeone one about clearing second balls?

Defender has to control a lofted pass and then gets rushed by two players and clear it before they are on him.

I’m not a coach at all but I love watching coaching drills. There’s a few good accounts on twitter that post good possession based attacking and small side coaching drills.

Sounds a decent one that  :thumbsup:, any that are easy to understand but keep them engaged is all good, otherwise after 30 seconds all they can talk about is Fortnite.

I do subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions) to a few on Twitter, I usually try a new one each week sometimes adapting them and try them out sometimes they work sometimes they look at me like I am stupid.

I am going to keep out a eye out for these Everton training videos, loving the insights we are now getting from the club
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Robioto on August 22, 2018, 07:35:40 PM
This is a nice little summary of what Silva has changed since arriving in June. :)



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/slowly-but-surely-how-marco-silva-is-changing-everton/ar-BBMh9eI?li=AAwmeM7&ocid=mailsignout

We can all see Sigurdsson has played well, but i didn't realise he had created the most chances in the league in the first two games. Great signs. I'm still confident that we'll beat Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on August 22, 2018, 08:02:18 PM
We're not accounting for the easy chances, and for that matter, the decent half chances we've created. It will only take one or two of those chances to start going in, that will give us more breathing space when the defence gets a bit too generous. Things are looking at their best since Moshiri came in. One thing we should be grateful to Moshiri for, is he's doing what he said he would do, and he won't take second best as good enough. :)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2018, 02:40:15 AM
https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21 (https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21)

Tom Davies running the show deep in the second half.

Watch our pressing when we lose the ball, and the runs in behind.

We actually look quite good here.

silvaball imminent?..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on August 23, 2018, 02:53:45 AM
It's a big help to have players who make decisions quickly.

That's why I think we should be patient with the likes of Davies, Dowell, and Calvert-Lewin. Their awareness and speed of thought is better than a lot of senior pros we've had over the past five years.

We could end up with some terrific players if we're willing to persist with them through the occasional lapses in execution.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 23, 2018, 03:24:58 AM
https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21 (https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21)

Tom Davies running the show deep in the second half.

Watch our pressing when we lose the ball, and the runs in behind.

We actually look quite good here.

silvaball imminent?..
Its so far removed from last season it brings a tear to the eye.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 23, 2018, 04:10:51 AM
It's a big help to have players who make decisions quickly.

That's why I think we should be patient with the likes of Davies, Dowell, and Calvert-Lewin. Their awareness and speed of thought is better than a lot of senior pros we've had over the past five years.

We could end up with some terrific players if we're willing to persist with them through the occasional lapses in execution.

This.

It’s difficult to see what kind of player Davies would turn out to be, he has talent but it’s hard to put a label on him. I thought he was really good as the deep DM in possession, maybe this is what he’ll be eventually.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toddacelli on August 23, 2018, 04:15:09 AM
There’s a few good accounts on twitter that post good possession based attacking and small side coaching drills.

Care to share? 😊
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2018, 05:24:49 AM
This.

It’s difficult to see what kind of player Davies would turn out to be, he has talent but it’s hard to put a label on him. I thought he was really good as the deep DM in possession, maybe this is what he’ll be eventually.

Echo quoting him today saying silva is telling him to bomb on and play box to box.

I think that might be a bit different with Schneiderlin out, he’ll have to balance it a bit I imagine as he looks to be doing in the above clip. Sometimes winning it on the half way line, sometimes recycling posession, sometimes trying to slide people into the final third.

Really, really encouraging. I guess we’ve been waiting to see who gets used the way Silva used Doucore / Will Hughes - thought Gomes was potentially going to be the Doucore, but will be really interesting seeing what he gets out of Gana, Davies, Dowell.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2018, 06:02:40 AM
Care to share? 😊

Actually haven’t read this but it looks cool

https://twitter.com/eduardvschmidt/status/1030480229733724160?s=21

See this guy doing in depth stuff all the time. Tend to only read or watch if it looks consumable e.g video or gif

https://twitter.com/tenllado7/status/996780279493689344?s=21
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 23, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
I thought the average positions graph from the Southampton game was interesting.

Coleman staying relatively deep and Walcott playing very centrally as we were making most attacks down the left hand side
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 23, 2018, 02:22:03 PM
https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21 (https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21)

Tom Davies running the show deep in the second half.

Watch our pressing when we lose the ball, and the runs in behind.

We actually look quite good here.

silvaball imminent?..

God, it's genuinely hard to describe how much i loved that clip. Speed, penetration and intelligence for an extended period of time? Superb.

I never bought into the easy argument the media posited against Allardyce "Evertonians like a certain brand of football". We dont, not really - or, not more than everybody else when it comes down to it.

But fuck me, besides a goal-scoring centre half, i think i get my rocks off most by a pair of rottweilers in the middle of the park, hunting and destroying all in their path. Then having the ability to spray accurate balls all over the fucking place, balls that make the rest of the team automatically face and move towards the opposition goal.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on August 23, 2018, 02:22:12 PM
Echo quoting him today saying silva is telling him to bomb on and play box to box.

I think that might be a bit different with Schneiderlin out, he’ll have to balance it a bit I imagine as he looks to be doing in the above clip. Sometimes winning it on the half way line, sometimes recycling posession, sometimes trying to slide people into the final third.

Really, really encouraging. I guess we’ve been waiting to see who gets used the way Silva used Doucore / Will Hughes - thought Gomes was potentially going to be the Doucore, but will be really interesting seeing what he gets out of Gana, Davies, Dowell.

I think Davies has it in him to be a box to box midfielder. In his debut season, he was always looking for the killer pass, and he made a few of them too. Think the kid will be great, we just need to nurture him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 23, 2018, 02:37:23 PM
He looks like he’s just instructing players to make things happen, whereas previously they passed the buck and hoped at some point someone would do something. It’s great and refreshing to see.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on August 23, 2018, 03:43:15 PM
I thought the average positions graph from the Southampton game was interesting.

Coleman staying relatively deep and Walcott playing very centrally as we were making most attacks down the left hand side

Thats going to be skewed a little by Richarlison and Walcott swapping positions a couple of times so registering touches on both sides of the pitch and therefore pulling the average position more central?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 23, 2018, 05:19:44 PM
Thats going to be skewed a little by Richarlison and Walcott swapping positions a couple of times so registering touches on both sides of the pitch and therefore pulling the average position more central?

True, although in theory that should effect both of them and Walcott is much more central than Richarlison in the graphic
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 23, 2018, 05:22:23 PM
https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21 (https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21)

Tom Davies running the show deep in the second half.

Watch our pressing when we lose the ball, and the runs in behind.

We actually look quite good here.

silvaball imminent?..

The weight of pass on the Davies through ball to Coleman at the beginning isn’t something that I though he had in his locker
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on August 23, 2018, 07:40:55 PM
The weight of pass on the Davies through ball to Coleman at the beginning isn’t something that I though he had in his locker

Coleman vs Palace away
Lukaku home vs Southampton
Lukaku home vs City

Good examples of this.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2018, 07:44:54 PM
Coleman vs Palace away
Lukaku home vs Southampton
Lukaku home vs City

Good examples of this.

When he first come through those little slid balls (one or two were first timers as well I think?) were the most exciting part of his game for me. But his impact on build up totally faded last year, probably because there literally wasn’t any build up to be done as we were the longest long ball team on the league.

Really, really excited to see if he can kick on this year.

P.s walcott’s ball to DCL in that clip is just as good - and both are examples of getting into that last bit of half space and driving a low ball across the box!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 23, 2018, 08:04:19 PM
Mention for how good Gana is in that clip and how good he’s been in general so far. 

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2018, 08:07:20 PM
Mention for how good Gana is in that clip and how good he’s been in general so far. 



Yep give him that one
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 23, 2018, 08:34:49 PM
Silva giving massive praise to Gylfi in his presser there. Was asked about his performance last week and said 'fantastic' before elaborating.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toddacelli on August 23, 2018, 08:55:43 PM
Coleman vs Palace away
Lukaku home vs Southampton
Lukaku home vs City

Good examples of this.

Dunno if it's one of the above, but the first touch pass he made when he had to adjust his body shape and weighted it perfectly - that was the best thing I've seen him do 💙
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 25, 2018, 05:37:29 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/24/marco-silva-bournemouth-everton
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 26, 2018, 06:27:04 PM
6 points and through to the next round of the cup is my expectation for the next 3 games.

Some clean sheets would be very nice as well.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 26, 2018, 11:08:48 PM
We carry a threat going forward, something we’ve missed for a very long time. We just need to continue to build on this and tweak things defensively.

Very much a work in progress so 2 points dropped away to a good Bournemouth side, at the moment, shouldn’t be dwelled on too much.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 27, 2018, 01:32:21 AM
We carry a threat going forward, something we’ve missed for a very long time. We just need to continue to build on this and tweak things defensively.

Very much a work in progress so 2 points dropped away to a good Bournemouth side, at the moment, shouldn’t be dwelled on too much.

It was the way those two points were dropped, though, wasn’t it.

That collective mental fragility could take a good while to overhaul.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: wepull on August 27, 2018, 01:45:31 AM
I don't think we were that bad against Wolves defensively. We barely gave them any chances even though they were a man up for most of the game.

I think it's early days for Silva and he has obviously noticed our defensive frailties and that's why our major additions have been at the defensive end of the pitch. I think we will definitely improve defensively with time.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2018, 02:01:45 AM
I don't think we were that bad against Wolves defensively. We barely gave them any chances even though they were a man up for most of the game.

I think it's early days for Silva and he has obviously noticed our defensive frailties and that's why our major additions have been at the defensive end of the pitch. I think we will definitely improve defensively with time.



Yes.

Defensive complaints should be left for a bit until we’ve played the majority of games with 11 men...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2018, 03:28:21 AM
Yes.

Defensive complaints should be left for a bit until we’ve played the majority of games with 11 men...

And we’ve worked on our set plays more. Both goals against from corners all our players, to a man, in the box have been stood statuesque ball watching. Clearly they need to understand what’s expected of them a little better.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 27, 2018, 03:34:50 AM
It was the way those two points were dropped, though, wasn't it.

That collective mental fragility could take a good while to overhaul.

I know, but don’t forget this is the end of an old team and the beginning of a new team. There’s plenty of work to be done, but there’s also plenty of positives and causes for optimism.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 27, 2018, 04:05:00 AM
I know, but don’t forget this is the end of an old team and the beginning of a new team. There’s plenty of work to be done, but there’s also plenty of positives and causes for optimism.

Without a doubt, that’s why I said it may take some time.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2018, 07:35:49 AM
A bit worried about the red card trend continuing.

From what I remember it’s a theme during Silva’s time at Watford.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 27, 2018, 10:10:45 AM
A bit worried about the red card trend continuing.

From what I remember it’s a theme during Silva’s time at Watford.

Well don’t look up his record from sporting then.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2018, 12:57:44 PM
And we’ve worked on our set plays more. Both goals against from corners all our players, to a man, in the box have been stood statuesque ball watching. Clearly they need to understand what’s expected of them a little better.

Interesting (or not...) that they were both outswingers.

In zonal systems you need to go and win the ball.

I can see how it’s a bit easier inherently, if the ball is swinging in towards your goal.

Whereas with the ball moving away and then the angle being changed completely when the attacker heads it, it can create momentary stops as people instinctively stop and watch/ wait to see what’s happening.

It might be that we need to change the angles at which we run to meet the ball if it’s an outswinger, or may be a more simple thing like players at the far post remembering to stay switched on even when it looks like the ball is (initially) moving away from the danger zone.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on August 27, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Interesting (or not...) that they were both outswingers.

In zonal systems you need to go and win the ball.

I can see how it’s a bit easier inherently, if the ball is swinging in towards your goal.

Whereas with the ball moving away and then the angle being changed completely when the attacker heads it, it can create momentary stops as people instinctively stop and watch/ wait to see what’s happening.

It might be that we need to change the angles at which we run to meet the ball if it’s an outswinger, or may be a more simple thing like players at the far post remembering to stay switched on even when it looks like the ball is (initially) moving away from the danger zone.

I think we've missed Schneiderlin's height too.  He's not massive, but he's more capable in the air than either Gueye or Davies.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mac934 on August 27, 2018, 03:12:57 PM
A bit worried about the red card trend continuing.

From what I remember it’s a theme during Silva’s time at Watford.
it's not as if the two reds were from seriously bad tackles, not like some teams that want to kick you off the pitch. One was from a defensive mistake, the other from a silly move from Richarlison.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
Lot of work to do defensively all the back four were caught knappin on saturday at some stage, some of it school boy stuff, drifting towards the play leaving massive space behind themselves, attackers left goalside in acres too many times to count, hopefully it'll be worked hard on this week, new players to come in so should improve a lot and stop us looking like conceding ar every attack, but at least were unbeaten and it's not dull.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 27, 2018, 03:52:56 PM
I'm pleased we're actually scoring and attacking again. As for our shaky defence? We've got a nearly complete back line waiting t come in... Patience Blues. We will improve given time.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 27, 2018, 05:35:17 PM
I'm pleased we're actually scoring and attacking again. As for our shaky defence? We've got a nearly complete back line waiting t come in... Patience Blues. We will improve given time.

Yeah, if we’re all honest, we were only collectively confident in Coleman from last season, so we were under no illusions that our defence was ageing and a bit dodgy.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2018, 05:59:30 PM
A bit worried about the red card trend continuing.

From what I remember it’s a theme during Silva’s time at Watford.

They’re isolated incidents due to player error (Jags) and stupidity (Richarlison) so I don’t see any pattern emerging or reason for concern there.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on August 28, 2018, 02:26:18 PM
Really enjoying this season so far. Silva like a breath of fresh air after the past few seasons. Still not sold on the zonal marking though, although maybe that will improve when he gets the backline he wants installed and up to speed.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 03:07:34 PM
There are some early concerns.

That paul riley that Kramer occasionally quotes articles of etc. Has generally been quite critical of Silva’s appointment (however - my view is that he is relentlessly critical because that’s part of his open job pitching) and has said this weekend that his prem xg numbers are shite.

However, he’s surely had extenuating circumstances at his other two jobs and here we’ve already had two games of 10 men!

I like a lot of what I’ve seen personally and it is a lot different to Sam and Koeman I hope we can all agree there. Let’s hope it’s a lot clearer he calibre of manager he is after say 10 or so prem games?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 28, 2018, 03:40:35 PM
There are some early concerns.

That paul riley that Kramer occasionally quotes articles of etc. Has generally been quite critical of Silva’s appointment (however - my view is that he is relentlessly critical because that’s part of his open job pitching) and has said this weekend that his prem xg numbers are shite.

However, he’s surely had extenuating circumstances at his other two jobs and here we’ve already had two games of 10 men!

I like a lot of what I’ve seen personally and it is a lot different to Sam and Koeman I hope we can all agree there. Let’s hope it’s a lot clearer he calibre of manager he is after say 10 or so prem games?

Yeah. There's no denying that we are a different force going forward. I have no long term worries about xG, as i trust any of our forward line to create & convert chances at expected rates.

There are concerns. At the back when defending set-pieces and the red cards. If it were just these 2 reds (and goals conceded as well actually) i wouldn't be too concerned. But how many times can a freak occurance happen before it stops being a freak occurance? And both these flaws have followed him around.


I'm happy. But there is still a whiff of "martinez' attacking football after the pragmatic Moyes" about it. (and, before the usual suspects appear. I know Moyes played good football quite a bit towards the end there. I also know that the grass wasn't greener with Koeman)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 28, 2018, 04:16:10 PM
A good new tactics vid from this guy, who did the previous one we all watched when Silva was at Watford


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 28, 2018, 04:22:01 PM
A good new tactics vid from this guy, who did the previous one we all watched when Silva was at Watford



Apologies for my lack of vocab today
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 28, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
A good new tactics vid from this guy, who did the previous one we all watched when Silva was at Watford



Was just going to post that, interesting that he highlights Keane’s distribution as a strength as I hadn’t really considered it one
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 28, 2018, 04:39:40 PM
Keane is a very good passer of the ball.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 04:49:47 PM
Keane is a very good passer of the ball.



Seems to stray from very good to total headcase at any moment on the ball.

That little dink against Southampton was it was superb, but then at any moment when closed down he turns into Jags with his eyes closed.

Confidence maybe.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 04:51:34 PM
Yeah. There's no denying that we are a different force going forward. I have no long term worries about xG, as i trust any of our forward line to create & convert chances at expected rates.

There are concerns. At the back when defending set-pieces and the red cards. If it were just these 2 reds (and goals conceded as well actually) i wouldn't be too concerned. But how many times can a freak occurance happen before it stops being a freak occurance? And both these flaws have followed him around.


I'm happy. But there is still a whiff of "martinez' attacking football after the pragmatic Moyes" about it. (and, before the usual suspects appear. I know Moyes played good football quite a bit towards the end there. I also know that the grass wasn't greener with Koeman)

Think xg concerns covers goals expected from chances created vs goals conceded from chances allowed.

Best teams have a nice healthy inverse relationship creating lots and allowing few, while teams like us are mooching about in the middle somewhere allowing too much and not creating a lot.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on August 28, 2018, 04:56:39 PM
Think xg concerns covers goals expected from chances created vs goals conceded from chances allowed.

Best teams have a nice healthy inverse relationship creating lots and allowing few, while teams like us are mooching about in the middle somewhere allowing too much and not creating a lot.



Yeah! Our Xg needs to be honest good old fashioned non-mooching around in the midde there, type stuff. :)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 28, 2018, 06:17:31 PM
There are some early concerns.

That paul riley that Kramer occasionally quotes articles of etc. Has generally been quite critical of Silva’s appointment (however - my view is that he is relentlessly critical because that’s part of his open job pitching) and has said this weekend that his prem xg numbers are shite.

However, he’s surely had extenuating circumstances at his other two jobs and here we’ve already had two games of 10 men!

I like a lot of what I’ve seen personally and it is a lot different to Sam and Koeman I hope we can all agree there. Let’s hope it’s a lot clearer he calibre of manager he is after say 10 or so prem games?

D'you not think some of this is a little premature?

You know, with us playing with a mismash of previous managers' players, loads of new players not involved yet, a truncated summer etc etc

I think it's a little absurd to even attempt to analyse it at the moment.

Everyone wants everything yesterday. I long for the pre-social media days when managers would be given 6 months or even a season of grace to bed into a club.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 06:23:07 PM
D'you not think some of this is a little premature?

You know, with us playing with a mismash of previous managers' players, loads of new players not involved yet, a truncated summer etc etc

I think it's a little absurd to even attempt to analyse it at the moment.

Everyone wants everything yesterday. I long for the pre-social media days when managers would be given 6 months or even a season of grace to bed into a club.

No sorry?

I’m talking about his prem history, and I’ve said I’m not sweating any of it until he’s had like 10 games to see how his system is looking.

You don’t have any opinion? You don’t say want to watch that video above and see how his tactics are shaping up, or anything like that?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 28, 2018, 06:38:00 PM
I’ve said I’m not sweating any of it until he’s had like 10 games to see how his system is looking.

Ya gotta give him at least a season (2 windows) surely?

The rot has been set deep in recent times.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 06:42:54 PM
Ya gotta give him at least a season (2 windows) surely?

The rot has been set deep in recent times.

I’m not saying sack him or anything in the same universe as that btw I hope no one thinks that, I’m just saying let’s talk about how he’s doing and how the team are adapting at that point.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 28, 2018, 06:48:44 PM
Ya gotta give him at least a season (2 windows) surely?

The rot has been set deep in recent times.

you see, i don't really think it has. I think there was a concerted PR effort to make it look like we had a bag-of-shit squad.
But we've only added one player and looked an order of magnitude better all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 06:55:12 PM
you see, i don't really think it has. I think there was a concerted PR effort to make it look like we had a bag-of-shit squad.
But we've only added one player and looked an order of magnitude better all over the pitch.

Worst CF options in the league last year imo, until we brought Cenk in. Every other side had a forward that would have got in ahead of ours.

Easily a relegation back four started the year, Kenny, Keane, Williams, Cuco - just dreadful dreadful dreadful.

Just the balance of the side and the top and bottom heavy age spread as well, minutes going to players too old AND too young, trying to bed players in with a total circus going on and getting pumped in every competition going both home and away.... just a nightmare.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 28, 2018, 07:00:12 PM
Worst CF options in the league last year imo, until we brought Cenk in. Every other side had a forward that would have got in ahead of ours.

Easily a relegation back four started the year, Kenny, Keane, Williams, Cuco - just dreadful dreadful dreadful.

Just the balance of the side and the top and bottom heavy age spread as well, minutes going to players too old AND too young, trying to bed players in with a total circus going on and getting pumped in every competition going both home and away.... just a nightmare.

Shout out to Cenk btw who is leading the line quite brilliantly at the moment.

Just needs to bag, but hasn't really had a chance yet
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 07:03:37 PM
Shout out to Cenk btw who is leading the line quite brilliantly at the moment.

Just needs to bag, but hasn't really had a chance yet

He’s growing on me our cenk, celebrates others goals well as well which is a totally soft thing I shouldn’t be arsed about but I am.

Hope we can give him some service.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 28, 2018, 07:46:24 PM
He’s growing on me our cenk, celebrates others goals well as well which is a totally soft thing I shouldn’t be arsed about but I am.

Hope we can give him some service.
I like him but am not sure he's the long term answer to us having a crack at the top 4 later on.....hes doing ok atm although not pulling up any trees.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 07:48:31 PM
I like him but am not sure he's the long term answer to us having a crack at the top 4 later on.....hes doing ok atm although not pulling up any trees.

Not sure any of them are the answer to top 4.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 28, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
No sorry?

I’m talking about his prem history, and I’ve said I’m not sweating any of it until he’s had like 10 games to see how his system is looking.

You don’t have any opinion? You don’t say want to watch that video above and see how his tactics are shaping up, or anything like that?

I don't think the sample size is enough to be able to really form an opinion yet.

I would point to numerous examples of managers in the past (including Ferguson at Utd) who took a long time to build their sides, and would've  been sacked before they ever achieved anything in today's climate with such instantaneous judgements.

I get that you're not saying this, but I'm really tired of the desire for instantaneous results or success. I also think purely statistical analysis is very limited, and completely ignores context, background, the human side of the game.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 28, 2018, 08:15:13 PM
Not sure any of them are the answer to top 4.

I have an admittedly romanticised feeling that Richarlison is
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 28, 2018, 08:18:26 PM
I have an admittedly romanticised feeling that Richarlison is

Defo is. So's Pickford. Bernard potentially could be. Zouma at is best is (winning Chelsea's player of the season, for example). Gana and Gylfi could get in Top 4 squads, imo.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 08:26:23 PM
I have an admittedly romanticised feeling that Richarlison is

Same, pickford as well.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 08:27:45 PM
I don't think the sample size is enough to be able to really form an opinion yet.

I would point to numerous examples of managers in the past (including Ferguson at Utd) who took a long time to build their sides, and would've  been sacked before they ever achieved anything in today's climate with such instantaneous judgements.

I get that you're not saying this, but I'm really tired of the desire for instantaneous results or success. I also think purely statistical analysis is very limited, and completely ignores context, background, the human side of the game.

That’s fine but after 10/11 games there will be stories to tell and insights to be had in the data and performances. Not going to ignore them if they far bad because I certainly won’t if they are good.

I expect they will be mixed.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mouse on August 28, 2018, 08:34:08 PM
Shout out to Cenk btw who is leading the line quite brilliantly at the moment.

Just needs to bag, but hasn't really had a chance yet

I enjoy watching Cenk and what he brings to the team. He is willing to sacrifice himself to create space for others and his strength and hold-up play are contributing greatly to what we do. He just needs a goal for his own sake, his general play has been enough to justify his place.

I've only seen highlights of Saturday but it seems we are showing huge improvement going forward. Amazing what a bit of a plan and allowing players to play in their correct postions can do. Defensively I'm not fully convinced yet, but we are still playing with the same players that were confused and all over the place last season. Central defence is definitely better and I feel for Keane as he is just finding some form. It is a sign of where we are now that losing 2 central defenders to injury and suspension is not seen as a catastrophe.

What I am certain about is that only 3 games into any season it is madness to make any general statements about style or progress. Only Richarlison of our summer transfers has had any kind of game time, I don't think we are near seeing Silva's own best 11. Brap2 is right to call for 10 games just to have a better idea of what Silva's 'style' is and how our squad is adapting to it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 28, 2018, 08:37:57 PM
I’m still not sure on Pickford’s Top 4 credentials, although I like him a lot, he doesn’t make me feel entirely calm, and I feel a top goalkeeper should.

Southall did in the 80’s for example, as did Martyn in his stint with us, and they were both top class.

Howard was an excellent keeper in his pomp with us, but he never made me feel calm, and he wasn’t top level either.

I’m probably talking shit, but it’s just how I feel (although I’m sure I would feel calmer if Pickford also had a solid, pacey backline in front of him)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toddacelli on August 28, 2018, 09:30:24 PM
Ya gotta give him at least a season (2 windows) surely?

The rot has been set deep in recent times.

We're just interested in how the new manager is going to pan out and what sort of team he's going to build so we're looking for clues at the mo and discussing what the final picture could look like.

I don't think anyone on here is not ready to give him time, just mentioning one or two things from his past we should maybe be aware of - more to see if he improves that with us, rather than to use as a stick to beat him with.

It's been a roller-coaster couple of first weeks and it will take a long while to settle - especially when you see the quality on the bench at the moment - we know they are not just here to make up the numbers, but each one will need time to settle in with various combinations of teammates and tactics.

On the whole, I'm very positive and I expect us to be a bit of a surprise this season for some.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Outworlder47 on August 28, 2018, 10:36:34 PM
Not worried by Tosun at this time. If he's a 1-in-3 striker at this level, then mathematically there's about a 50% chance that he'll have one stretch of at least 6 matches without scoring.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 28, 2018, 10:45:41 PM
I’m still not sure on Pickford’s Top 4 credentials, although I like him a lot, he doesn’t make me feel entirely calm, and I feel a top goalkeeper should.

Southall did in the 80’s for example, as did Martyn in his stint with us, and they were both top class.

Howard was an excellent keeper in his pomp with us, but he never made me feel calm, and he wasn’t top level either.

I’m probably talking shit, but it’s just how I feel (although I’m sure I would feel calmer if Pickford also had a solid, pacey backline in front of him)

I think Pickford's already the best keeper in the Prem not named Hugo Lloris.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 28, 2018, 11:10:06 PM
I think Pickford's already the best keeper in the Prem not named Hugo Lloris.

You think he’s better than De Gea?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 28, 2018, 11:18:42 PM
I think Pickford's already the best keeper in the Prem not named Hugo Lloris.
Really?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 28, 2018, 11:34:43 PM
Pickfords top 5. No doubt.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 29, 2018, 12:18:42 AM
Pickfords top 5. No doubt.
Maybe. It's debatable as there is
Lloris, De Gea, Ederson, Kasper, Allison, Kepa and even Fabianski on his day.

On his prem form last year I'd say not but on his World Cup form definately....just hope he can raise his game to those levels for us this year.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 29, 2018, 12:25:58 AM
I'm just not a huge De Gea fan.  He's good, mind, but I don't think great.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on August 29, 2018, 12:27:52 AM
De Gea, Loris and Ederson are the only 3 prem keepers better than Pickford, not by much like
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 29, 2018, 12:56:13 AM
I think de gea, Allison, ederson and loris are a level above Pickford myself.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on August 29, 2018, 01:03:51 AM
I think de gea, Allison, ederson and loris are a level above Pickford myself.



What's Allison got on Pickford?

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on August 29, 2018, 01:08:12 AM
What's Allison got on Pickford?



About 35 million quid, that's about it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 29, 2018, 01:09:00 AM
He’s that little bit better in every department.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 29, 2018, 01:23:21 AM
I can see the case for Ederson, I'd rate him and Pickford about equally.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 29, 2018, 01:30:25 AM
I can see the case for Ederson, I'd rate him and Pickford about equally.

Come on now.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 29, 2018, 01:44:18 AM
I mean, sure I could be wrong, but I see Pickford as absolutely world class.  Did so before the World Cup.  We are privileged to have him, and need to keep him against all offers.  He's special.

Only downside is he's always played in front of atrocious defenses.  Until, fingers crossed, this coming season (when we are healthy).  I'm hopeful even Zouma/Holgate will be quite positive for him, but Mina joining the fray will really make a difference.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 29, 2018, 01:46:59 AM
I've also always hoped that Pickford can be our Lloris, in terms of allowing us to play very aggressive, attacking football.  Not that he has to be quite that good, as Lloris is amazing.

But to allow Everton to take the step forward as a progressive club, much like Spurs did.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 29, 2018, 02:36:55 AM
I'm just not a huge De Gea fan.  He's good, mind, but I don't think great.

Best keeper in the world surely
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on August 29, 2018, 02:59:40 AM
I think Pickford's already the best keeper in the Prem not named Hugo Lloris.

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/40ec3c40bf87ec4565fb19edbd6ea7f1/tumblr_inline_p7yrquS7gI1uv9nx5_540.gif)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 29, 2018, 04:17:05 AM
Best keeper in the world surely

I don’t think there’s even a debate about it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 29, 2018, 04:21:08 AM
I really dont rate Lloris but Pickford is clearly behind De Gea, Alisson and Ederson for me.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 29, 2018, 04:52:57 AM
I really dont rate Lloris but Pickford is clearly behind De Gea, Alisson and Ederson for me.
Pickford has done no where near enough to even be close to these players.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 29, 2018, 04:55:26 AM
Not entirely sure what Allison has done but de gea, ederson and loris have done plenty more
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on August 29, 2018, 05:04:39 AM
Not entirely sure what Allison has done but de gea, ederson and loris have done plenty more

This

Allison has done fuck all yet, well apart from chipping the ball over a Brighton players head
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 29, 2018, 05:52:19 AM
I really dont rate Lloris but Pickford is clearly behind De Gea, Alisson and Ederson for me.

Even though I disagree, I like it just because it shows how taste in keepers, like art or music, must be so much in the eye of the beholder.  :D
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 29, 2018, 06:54:45 AM
I've always rated Lloris and prefer him to De Gea, but De Gea is the better keeper.

Pickford is great for us, but I don't fully trust him yet. I always feel whatever team he plays for, he'll concede a goal.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 29, 2018, 07:14:03 AM
Did I just skim past a mad shout about De Gea not being very good?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 29, 2018, 09:52:14 AM
Lloris is not the 'keeper he was. Many mistakes last season, and look at the WC Final for a prime example of issues with his concentration levels these days. De Gea and Ederson are the league's top two, no doubt. Jury is out on Kepa and Allison for the time being, though they are top 'keepers no doubt. Pickford falls into the top 3 at the moment for me.

Pissing myself at Fabianski being named in the top 5 there. Fuck off lolol
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 29, 2018, 02:54:54 PM
Lloris is not the 'keeper he was. Many mistakes last season, and look at the WC Final for a prime example of issues with his concentration levels these days. De Gea and Ederson are the league's top two, no doubt. Jury is out on Kepa and Allison for the time being, though they are top 'keepers no doubt. Pickford falls into the top 3 at the moment for me.

Pissing myself at Fabianski being named in the top 5 there. Fuck off lolol
Out of interest how have you come to that conclusion ref pickford being the 3rd best in the league ? I've got to be honest and say that a couple of great games in the world cup aside, he's been very up and down imo and I don't feel totally confident in him at times.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Liam on August 29, 2018, 02:58:50 PM
Best Keeper in the world is easily between, De Gea, Lloris and Courtois (how has no one mentioned him yet btw?)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 29, 2018, 03:01:35 PM
Best Keeper in the world is easily between, De Gea, Lloris and Courtois (how has no one mentioned him yet btw?)

Because he doesn't play in the Prem anymore?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 29, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
Best Keeper in the world is easily between, De Gea, Lloris and Courtois (how has no one mentioned him yet btw?)
If we are doing the world, not including Oblak is a sin ofnthe highest order here.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on August 29, 2018, 03:20:46 PM
Allison is the greatest keeper in the entire history of football, an absolute bargain at 66 million quid
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 29, 2018, 03:28:14 PM
Out of interest how have you come to that conclusion ref pickford being the 3rd best in the league ? I've got to be honest and say that a couple of great games in the world cup aside, he's been very up and down imo and I don't feel totally confident in him at times.

I'm not basing that on the World Cup. I'm basing it on watching him a lot for Sunderland, watching him all of last season, and the World Cup.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 29, 2018, 03:29:49 PM
Best Keeper in the world is easily between, De Gea, Lloris and Courtois (how has no one mentioned him yet btw?)

Because we were talking about Premier League 'keepers?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 29, 2018, 04:29:59 PM
Not worried by Tosun at this time. If he's a 1-in-3 striker at this level, then mathematically there's about a 50% chance that he'll have one stretch of at least 6 matches without scoring.

I don’t think he’ll be a nailed on 1 in 3 in this setup. I think our main threat will come down the flanks and arriving from deep, the striker will be tasked with doing the lions share of the graft to make the space for others. He’ll notch but not as many as we think he will and in my opinion a striker who is pacier and more mobile will be better suited to scoring from open play.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 29, 2018, 04:59:48 PM
I'm not basing that on the World Cup. I'm basing it on watching him a lot for Sunderland, watching him all of last season, and the World Cup.
This is the thing I don't think he was THAT good for us last year. He was decent but looked like he a mistake in him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 29, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
He’s won more challenges in the final third of the pitch than any other player in the league this season. Says a bit about his graft.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2018, 05:49:44 PM
You can't put Pickford in the best in the world argument. Best British keeper for sure but there aren't many great ones. Needs to be consistent for longer to get in the best conversion
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 30, 2018, 03:18:46 PM
You know what Silva has done a great job so far. Decent performances, good transfers and happy rejuvinated players.

But even better than that the passion feels like it's back and we seem to have a way of playing that the players will grow into rather than just trying to wing it.

There will be bumps in the road but happy so far.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 30, 2018, 05:47:37 PM
Was Zouma doing most of the switching of play first half or was it just me?

Dowell and Davies both comfortable doing it but we’re pushed up the pitch, with Zouma rotating it between digne and Kenny.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 30, 2018, 05:55:13 PM
Was Zouma doing most of the switching of play first half or was it just me?

Dowell and Davies both comfortable doing it but we’re pushed up the pitch, with Zouma rotating it between digne and Kenny.

I noticed he was fizzing the ball particularly into Digne's feet repeatedly, and Digne was killing it with his first touch every time.

It's a noticeable step up on Jags, underhitting and bobbling a 10 yard pass behind the full back or winding up the long diagonal to sail over the wide players head into the 3rd row of the stand.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 30, 2018, 06:01:29 PM
I have to admit, the spooning it and then falling on his arse within 5 minutes of the game starting filled me with dread.

But he grew into the game andi'd be more than happy if we bought him next summer. He still has a lot to learn, but is a bit of a kid and has all the tools needed to learn it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2018, 06:08:52 PM
If anyone has any non negative tactics takes on our mate silva this morning I could do with them thanks x
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 03, 2018, 06:17:31 PM
If anyone has any non negative tactics takes on our mate silva this morning I could do with them thanks x

You flapped already lad. Four games in.

I had November for you in the sweepstakes.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
You flapped already lad. Four games in.

I had November for you in the sweepstakes.

I haven’t flapped anything you little denim hoody ratman, I’m out here looking for positive takes because I’m sick of the negative ones.

Overall I’m not arsed - about on schedule for a 50-65 point season. We’re going to draw with a lot of dross all year, get used to it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 03, 2018, 09:58:13 PM
If anyone has any non negative tactics takes on our mate silva this morning I could do with them thanks x

Is everything ok at home, brap?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2018, 10:11:52 PM
Is everything ok at home, brap?

No, we’re all evertonians i’m afraid
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 04, 2018, 03:15:28 AM
I haven’t flapped anything you little denim hoody ratman, I’m out here looking for positive takes because I’m sick of the negative ones.

Overall I’m not arsed - about on schedule for a 50-65 point season. We’re going to draw with a lot of dross all year, get used to it.

We should be 17th according to the XG :)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 04, 2018, 04:05:36 AM
We should be 17th according to the XG :)

Oh I know my mate.

2 red cards and a host of wacky injuries, though, and only 4 games in.

10/11 games lets see what we’re saying. About 1000 mins and we should see some silvaball ideas coming through, especially with Big Yerry and Zoumzoum at the back.

if not I will probably start moaning properly.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 04, 2018, 05:45:16 AM
It's the first season under a new manager. The last four seasons have seen wildly different approaches with little to no stability for the players. What is everyone expecting him to do? Win the League?

I was disappoited by the last game, but I am hardly surprised. It will take time. Maybe even a season. If we get on his back after 10 games then we really are our own worst enemy.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 10, 2018, 11:42:33 PM
Couldn’t find a cenk thread, have a look at where we’ve been passing the ball to him the poor bastard.

https://twitter.com/efc_statto/status/1039085674811600896?s=21

Got to feel for him haven’t you. Hope we can make some chances for him soon. Even if it’s just crosses!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on September 10, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
Couldn’t find a cenk thread, have a look at where we’ve been passing the ball to him the poor bastard.

https://twitter.com/efc_statto/status/1039085674811600896?s=21

Got to feel for him haven’t you. Hope we can make some chances for him soon. Even if it’s just crosses!

Yeah I decided to give him a break after this

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 11, 2018, 01:46:08 AM
Couldn’t find a cenk thread, have a look at where we’ve been passing the ball to him the poor bastard.

https://twitter.com/efc_statto/status/1039085674811600896?s=21

Got to feel for him haven’t you. Hope we can make some chances for him soon. Even if it’s just crosses!

The flip side to that is that we're passing to him in these areas because he doesn't have the pace to vary the passes to him. He's working laterally and dropping deep because he can't go the other way. What we really need is a striker who can do what he does but also spin and offer a different line of attack as well.

He's decent at doing what he does but he's not really capable of creating anything for himself either, so as much as we feel for him it's also down to is limitations too.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 11, 2018, 02:55:11 AM
The flip side to that is that we're passing to him in these areas because he doesn't have the pace to vary the passes to him. He's working laterally and dropping deep because he can't go the other way. What we really need is a striker who can do what he does but also spin and offer a different line of attack as well.

He's decent at doing what he does but he's not really capable of creating anything for himself either, so as much as we feel for him it's also down to is limitations too.

There’s an element of chicken and egg but i do really think this is at least party down to our lack of incisive passers in midfield.

At Besiktas he was (firstly playing against crapper players yeah) but secondly getting fed by people like Ozyakup, who do pass progressively and do give him stuff to feed on.

Maybe when we’re clicking a bit more it will start dropping to him, but atm we’re still quite low down the table in terms of amount and quality of chances created which of course is bad news for our strikers.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 11, 2018, 03:09:51 AM
There’s an element of chicken and egg but i do really think this is at least party down to our lack of incisive passers in midfield.

At Besiktas he was (firstly playing against crapper players yeah) but secondly getting fed by people like Ozyakup, who do pass progressively and do give him stuff to feed on.

Maybe when we’re clicking a bit more it will start dropping to him, but atm we’re still quite low down the table in terms of amount and quality of chances created which of course is bad news for our strikers.

Yeh true. Our midfield three is pretty functional without much creativity in there but he also doesn’t spin or attempt to roll his defender very often as he knows he hasn’t the speed to get away.

Still, it’d be interesting to see how he plays with a player like Bernard who might play balls round the corner to move onto. Or with someone like Gomes who likes to stride forward with the ball and force defenders to think about whether to step up or drop.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on September 11, 2018, 04:52:31 AM
Yeh true. Our midfield three is pretty functional without much creativity in there but he also doesn’t spin or attempt to roll his defender very often as he knows he hasn’t the speed to get away.

Still, it’d be interesting to see how he plays with a player like Bernard who might play balls round the corner to move onto. Or with someone like Gomes who likes to stride forward with the ball and force defenders to think about whether to step up or drop.

I’m not feeling optimistic about getting Bernard or Gomes cemented in the side before Christmas to be honest, and it’s a real shame, because creativity wise our midfield is pretty much vile shite.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 11, 2018, 02:02:17 PM
Tosun isn’t setting the world alight but he’ll do for now. He’s proving enough of a distraction while our attacking wingers do the damage. The midfield is a much greater worry, we need to be far more dominant in there.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on September 11, 2018, 02:24:48 PM
Not sure where everybody is getting the idea that Tosun is slow from.

For me he’s of average pace, doesn’t look any slower than Niasse who runs in behind all the time
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on September 11, 2018, 02:27:48 PM
Tosun is better than Niasse

There, I said it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 11, 2018, 02:30:20 PM
Not sure where everybody is getting the idea that Tosun is slow from.

For me he’s of average pace, doesn’t look any slower than Niasse who runs in behind all the time

Niasse is a lot faster than tosun.

Tosun is a bit slow but that doesn’t matter to me. People get too hung up on everybody having pace these days.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 11, 2018, 03:15:48 PM
Tosun is better than Niasse

There, I said it

But but but but what about his smile? And hard work? And effort after Koeman didn't give him a locker? And his Russian player of the year award?

 :bonk:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 11, 2018, 05:04:13 PM
Not sure where everybody is getting the idea that Tosun is slow from.

For me he’s of average pace, doesn’t look any slower than Niasse who runs in behind all the time

So why does he not do it more often then? We need him to go both ways during a game more often to vary our attack. Against Huddersfield, although they sat deep, we needed a striker to be nimble enough to make darting, explosive runs and we needed a player with vision to find them. Instead we had strikers coming deep and midfielders passing the ball laterally. It's a concern but until we get everyone fit and integrated we don't know if we have the answer in our squad somewhere.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 01:08:11 AM
Might not last the season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 01:15:21 AM
Even if he loses the next four he’s going nowhere. We’ve moved heaven and earth and risked an FA charge for this bloke, Moshiri has to believe in him even if people around him might start questioning.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on September 17, 2018, 01:20:39 AM
No need to even question this season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 01:25:18 AM
Say what you like, and I wouldn’t like it as much as you wouldn’t, but if showings like that continue, he may not last the season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on September 17, 2018, 01:28:16 AM
Say what you like, and I wouldn’t like it as much as you wouldn’t, but if showings like that continue, he may not let the season.

Don’t think we lose without 5/5 choice cb playing

CM/ Bernard workings out is big issue too.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on September 17, 2018, 01:38:54 AM
Don’t think we lose without 5/5 choice cb playing

CM/ Bernard workings out is big issue too.

His biggest gamble is putting faith in Schneiderlin.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 01:44:21 AM
His biggest gamble is putting faith in Schneiderlin.



He had a decent 40 or so minutes against Southampton and I was reading all kinds of rubbish on here and on Twitter about him being back to his best. The lad is completely gone as a top level midfielder. He has nothing to offer going either way.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on September 17, 2018, 01:47:20 AM
Silva gone by end of season?

And then what? Richarlison goes? Arteta in?

He's here for the season and we're in it with him, whatever the weather

And he can only gamble on the players we've got
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 17, 2018, 01:51:08 AM
We need a Capitan Phil.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Simon Paul on September 17, 2018, 01:51:46 AM
What happens if Silva goes?

Do we start to look at the root cause?

Do we look at the culture at the club? Do we look at the man doing the hiring? Do we look at the constants in the backroom staff?

Or do we just lash money at another manager and sack them after 18 months?

We need to give Silva more than 6 games ffs but he needs to show he's worth that chance. Let's leave the hatchetts in the cupboard under the stairs for now though yeah?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on September 17, 2018, 01:53:22 AM
Yeah - you got it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on September 17, 2018, 01:57:39 AM
He had a decent 40 or so minutes against Southampton and I was reading all kinds of rubbish on here and on Twitter about him being back to his best. The lad is completely gone as a top level midfielder. He has nothing to offer going either way.

Never really understood the big morghype myself.



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 01:57:57 AM
What happens if Silva goes?

Do we start to look at the root cause?

Do we look at the culture at the club? Do we look at the man doing the hiring? Do we look at the constants in the backroom staff?

Or do we just lash money at another manager and sack them after 18 months?

We need to give Silva more than 6 games ffs but he needs to show he's worth that chance. Let's leave the hatchetts in the cupboard under the stairs for now though yeah?

I think everyone would agree with that but we want to see some improvement pretty sharpish.

He’s got three aces up his sleeve in Richarlison, Mina and Bernard so he won’t be panicking just yet. However he needs them all firing quickly to stop Goodison turning toxic again. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 02:19:18 AM
Don’t think we lose without 5/5 choice cb playing

CM/ Bernard workings out is big issue too.

Out of curiosity, what are 1, 2, 3 and 4/5?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on September 17, 2018, 02:31:51 AM
I do think Gylfi is causing issues, not him personally but feel like we'd be a better team with someone like Davies in there and more of a 4-3-3.

Pickford
Coleman Zouma Mina Digne
Davies Schneiderlin Gana
Walcott Tosun Richarlison

And over the next couple of windows we need to sort that midfield three out because I'm not sure any of them are up to it.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: arteta4spain on September 17, 2018, 02:44:26 AM
I do think Gylfi is causing issues, not him personally but feel like we'd be a better team with someone like Davies in there and more of a 4-3-3.

Pickford
Coleman Zouma Mina Digne
Davies Schneiderlin Gana
Walcott Tosun Richarlison

And over the next couple of windows we need to sort that midfield three out because I'm not sure any of them are up to it.
Not seen any of the game but it seems that Sigurdsson is a square peg in a round hole at the moment. I think once we have our first xi it’ll start to work but I think we’re not looking beyond that. I know that we haven’t got a lot of options right now or the actual numbers to do it’s an when everyone is fit. It feels like there’s no plan b.
I wasn’t sold on Silva tbh and he gives me a touch of the Martinez’s. You can roll your eyes but we do need to give him time 2 seasons max. This is a transitional period right now and Silva may and right now is encountering some problems if he can start to iron them out during the season we’ll be fine. Only time will tell.
Jury is still out on him but he’s got enough to time to get it right.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 02:52:21 AM
It’s actually quite difficult to watch Gylfi in this side. Pointing at his feet while marked by 2 defenders for 90 minutes doing his best Davy Klaassen impression.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on September 17, 2018, 03:02:02 AM
Out of curiosity, what are 1, 2, 3 and 4/5?

Order is open to interpretation but Mina, Zouma, Keane, Jags.

Last two games have had nascent periods of momentum punctured by a basic ball up to the CF who, when on our right side, has had a very easy hold up and switch to someone else, nearly every time.

It’s been made worse by Holgate being left in no man’s land and not being deeper in a set formation either.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on September 17, 2018, 03:04:31 AM
That was woeful today it really was and was a throwback to the depths of early last season. On a plus point id never sat in the top balcony before and really enjoyed it other than the performance.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on September 17, 2018, 03:11:17 AM
Need to stick with Silva even if it means ending up in the bottom 6 this season. Hopefully it won't be that. He needs atleast three transfers windows to get his own players in. We have to give a manager a chance.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on September 17, 2018, 03:16:03 AM
Until January:

1)Pickford

2)Coleman
4)Zouma
5)Mina
3)Digne

7)Gomes
6)Gana
10)Sigurdsson
8)Bernard

9)Richarlison
11)Walcott
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 03:36:32 AM
Play 4-3–3, drop Morgan, and if Sigurdsson doesn’t fit into that system then so be it.

He has to start being brave with his selections.

The team today resembled the mess of last season but there was plenty of options to do something different.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on September 17, 2018, 04:10:04 AM
4-3-3?

1)Pickford

2)Coleman
4)Zouma
5)Mina
3)Digne

7)Gomes
6)Gana
10)Sigurdsson

8)Bernard
9)Richarlison
11)Walcott

How's that?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 04:10:46 AM
He’s played it too safe so far this season. Sig is never a No 10 and at home he should be a No 8 so we at least have more of an attacking threat.

Watching that defensive midfield pairing at home 18 months after everyone saw it doesn’t work was painful. We’ll get our customary arses handed to us at the Emirates by about three goals next week and we’ll be back to averaging around 2 goals conceded again per game.

We’ve seen this before for the past few years, if heads start to go the crowd start to turn and it becomes a sorry state of affairs.

I hope he has a plan that doesn’t just consist of get the three South American lads in the team and everything will be fine.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 04:13:34 AM
We’re watching the exact same thing.

Slightly better in the final third pinging balls off one another with better 1v1 players in Walcott and Richarlison but other than that, it’s the exact same shite.

I wouldn’t have said Holgate - Zouma was a dreadful combo and I wouldnt expect them to be but yeah @GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) the last 2 forwards have handled them very, very easily. Especially compared to Tosun who’s had very short change out of his opposition.

I think unfortunately he should drop one of Gana, Morgan or Gylfi - play a passing midfielder and get one of Gana or Morgan to do one full job rather than two half-assed jobs, or pull Gylfi and get a real second striker in.

January cannot come soon enough.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Heisenberg on September 17, 2018, 04:31:12 AM
4-3-3?

1)Pickford

2)Coleman
4)Zouma
5)Mina
3)Digne

7)Gomes
6)Gana
10)Sigurdsson

8)Bernard
9)Richarlison
11)Walcott

How's that?

This is what I want to see
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 05:02:49 AM
I’d rather see DCL given a run upfront before moving Richarlison there.

Maybe play him just off the front man with Bernard and Walcott wide?

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on September 17, 2018, 05:06:01 AM
I’d rather see DCL given a run upfront before moving Richarlison there.

Maybe play him just off the front man with Bernard and Walcott wide?
I'd consider Walcott there...both were so bad today
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 17, 2018, 11:04:31 AM
Not getting this Sigurdson bashing that’s goin on. If we could defend properly and if our strikers didn’t miss glaring sitters the game would have been different.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
Not getting this Sigurdson bashing that’s goin on. If we could defend properly and if our strikers didn’t miss glaring sitters the game would have been different.

He’s a player of good moments. He’d be a good impact sub for anyone. Unfortunately we paid 45m for him and thought he was a playmaker

He’ll score 5 unbelievable goals this season and do very little else. We needed someone to help us control games. Truly horrible signing
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2018, 01:31:23 PM
Might not last the season

Jesus
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 01:36:05 PM
Jesus

Oh here we go
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2018, 01:39:22 PM
Oh here we go

Yep, here we go. Awful performance. No defending that like. And overall, not a great start.

And yet first defeat, and you're already throwing this shout out. Amazing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on September 17, 2018, 02:18:42 PM
One defeat and people are already writing Silva off, need to give their heads a wobble. Yes we were shite yesterday, we will learn from it and improve.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on September 17, 2018, 02:21:01 PM
Not getting this Sigurdson bashing that’s goin on. If we could defend properly and if our strikers didn’t miss glaring sitters the game would have been different.

How do we think a midfield 3 of Gomes, McCarthy and Gylfi would look?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 02:43:41 PM
Yep, here we go. Awful performance. No defending that like. And overall, not a great start.

And yet first defeat, and you're already throwing this shout out. Amazing.


Absolutely disgusting start. Totally thrown away a great opportunity.

Awful performance yes, but frankly no new problems. Any surprise at that performance, or the individual issues? Not from me.

Not going to sit on here defending myself all week saying ‘no I don’t want him gone’ and reacting to people who reckon i’m ‘writing him off’ etc.

What I am saying is - if that shite continues, which it frankly might considering it’s not exactly a bolt out the blue is it, then he might not last the season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lazarou on September 17, 2018, 04:01:53 PM
Vs West Ham United

(https://i.imgur.com/WBJZ0qy.jpg)

Devoid of anything really and unable to change anything when needed. Nothing has changed much so far no matter who is a manager.


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 04:04:41 PM
Yes to be fair to silva - feels very much like we’re still watching Koeman’s everton because some of the main issues are still present.

With richarlison in the side that goes away a bit because he seems to be a superstar level attacker who can make something out of almost nothing, but the midfield, the Gylfi situation, the striker situation, the two centrebacks (any two?) - same old, same old.

One bright point has been digne, who looks a worthy successor to Baines.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 04:35:22 PM
One defeat and people are already writing Silva off, need to give their heads a wobble. Yes we were shite yesterday, we will learn from it and improve.

6 points from 5 games against shite teams and dreadful defensively
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on September 17, 2018, 04:38:58 PM
Still got to give him a couple of transfer windows so we can get a team of Brands/Silva players.

At the moment we’re a Frankenstein of Youth/Martinez/Koeman and Allardyce players.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2018, 04:40:05 PM
How do we think a midfield 3 of Gomes, McCarthy and Gylfi would look?

Like two sicknotes and a square peg ;) 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on September 17, 2018, 04:40:09 PM
Silva needs at least 2 or 3 windows to change the squad. Apart from Zouma, Digne and Bernard, this was the same team that struggled all of last season. Hopefully once we get Mina and Gomes fit they will help out with some issues, but the next window we need to address CM and up front. There is no point in sacking Silva this season, unless we are staring relegation in the face. We need to be patient and hold our nerve whilst they try to sort the mess they have been left.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on September 17, 2018, 04:40:25 PM
Like two sicknotes and a square peg ;) 

*if fit
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2018, 04:44:12 PM
*if fit

Sorry, bro, I was feeling juvenile.

If completely fit and firing you would probably think an improvement.

Although McCarthy is like a Gana/Schneiderlin hybrid: high energy presser with poor positional discipline like Gana, with the side-to-side passing of Schneiderlin.

Gomes looks like a good mobile ball-carrier.

Sigurdsson could be good as the #8, but I think he’s pretty wretched as a #10
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on September 17, 2018, 04:59:00 PM
Still got to give him a couple of transfer windows so we can get a team of Brands/Silva players.

At the moment we're a Frankenstein of Youth/Martinez/Koeman and Allardyce players.
Some Of Moyes old guard in there as well
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 05:01:20 PM
A lot of people on here said last season that even if we signed no-one a halfway competent manager could take this squad to 7th. Well either these players are a lot worse than we imagined or the new managers ideas aren't really getting through/not working. I'd say a bit of both.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2018, 05:08:34 PM
A lot of people on here said last season that even if we signed no-one a halfway competent manager could take this squad to 7th. Well either these players are a lot worse than we imagined or the new managers ideas aren't really getting through/not working. I'd say a bit of both.

Well, if the squad isn’t filled with great players you would imagine it would also take a while to impart new information and styles to them, particularly when it is quite a departure from what they’ve been used to for the last few seasons.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: djws1788 on September 17, 2018, 05:09:29 PM
Only positives I could take from yesterday’s game were Bernard and no goals scored from a set piece
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on September 17, 2018, 05:18:40 PM
Ffs there is only 33 games left quick get fat Sam back .....sarcasm!

New manager first loss in six and peoples heads falling off already despite the absolute shite we all know we still have in the squad .


Great site lads ....even better supporters .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
Well, if the squad isn’t filled with great players you would imagine it would also take a while to impart new information and styles to them, particularly when it is quite a departure from what they’ve been used to for the last few seasons.

Fair point but three months is a pretty decent length of time to see evidence of a change in style/system/formation/intensity. We look wide open every game. In the only game we've won this season Southampton missed some decent chances to bag more than the one. We don't ever look like keeping a clean sheet and no fan would feel comfortable unless we were 3 or 4 up.

Of course it might be a hangover from Martinez/Koeman/Unsworth/Allardyce but we've changed the keeper/left back/centre half since then and nothing changes. In my view nothing will change until we sort out the weakest central area of the pitch in the league.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 05:24:06 PM
We didn’t learn anything from Sunday we didn’t already know. Any comments should not be a reaction to losing that game because everything wrong with the side has been wrong with it for about two summers.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2018, 05:27:34 PM
Fair point but three months is a pretty decent length of time to see evidence of a change in style/system/formation/intensity. We look wide open every game. In the only game we've won this season Southampton missed some decent chances to bag more than the one. We don't ever look like keeping a clean sheet and no fan would feel comfortable unless we were 3 or 4 up.

Of course it might be a hangover from Martinez/Koeman/Unsworth/Allardyce but we've changed the keeper/left back/centre half since then and nothing changes. In my view nothing will change until we sort out the weakest central area of the pitch in the league.

Yes, that midfield is somewhere between moribund and powderpuff.

The only thing going for it is Gana’s interceptions.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
We didn’t learn anything from Sunday we didn’t already know. Any comments should not be a reaction to losing that game because everything wrong with the side has been wrong with it for about two summers.

We've got to give it time though, apparently. Like four years isn't long enough to see the same old issues. If Silva was watching us for the 6 months he had off he must have had a plan for when he took over. I'm just seeing the same system throwing up the same way of playing and getting the same results.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on September 17, 2018, 05:38:45 PM
All the players Silva/Brands signed, have been more than promising. It's what we've been craving for. Digne is a really solid, quality left back and the early signs are, he's a fantastic replacement for Baines. You can see why Barcelona had him on the books. Richarlison maybe;  is going to turn out better than Lukaku, or somewhere in that area, as he's 21 atm and is about to come into his early peak. Bernard made me sit up and take notice everytime I've seen him play for Brazil and due to being out the way in Russia, has maybe stagnated his career a little, but I'm sure he will come good. Gomes, I know very little about, but once again, if Barcelona have him on the books! Then there's Mina, out since we bought him, ex barcelona and a buy back clause inserted. Shows they were unsure whether to let him go or not. Zouma is a decent loan. Three have played and impressed, up to a point, with Richarlison being the most impressive. Our defence is shipping goals due to absent defenders. It will ease. The disappointing thing is; we've missed an opportunity to pick up points against less than tough opposition. Suspended players and some newcomers are still to come. We just need our luck to change. The last two games have been abysmal, but their are reasons that can be pointed out, as to why.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on September 17, 2018, 05:39:20 PM
I don’t buy this “Frankenstein” squad excuse. Apart from Arsenal which club doesn’t have squads made up of 3/4 different managers players?

Silva needs patience, there’s no other option whether you like/believe in him or not, but he’s got to start showing us a different side to his tactics because we’re far to open and he’s not got the luxury of us being ruthless up top to cancel that out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 05:44:26 PM
Can we stop talking about bad luck.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 05:51:02 PM
We've got to give it time though, apparently. Like four years isn't long enough to see the same old issues. If Silva was watching us for the 6 months he had off he must have had a plan for when he took over. I'm just seeing the same system throwing up the same way of playing and getting the same results.

Are you suggesting we shouldn’t give him time here?

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 17, 2018, 06:02:32 PM
Generation now

Want everything instantly, massive tantrums when they don't get it

We aren't the first team to bring in a new manager, a bunch of new players, and not click straight away, and we won't be the last, on top of the fact we've had a long injury list, which most people are ignoring

6 games in, fucking cranks
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 06:22:40 PM
Generation now

Want everything instantly, massive tantrums when they don't get it

We aren't the first team to bring in a new manager, a bunch of new players, and not click straight away, and we won't be the last, on top of the fact we've had a long injury list, which most people are ignoring

6 games in, fucking cranks

I’m sorry, but you’re wrong.

You’re seeing this as a knee jerk reaction to the first 5 games. It isn’t. Or it shouldn’t be anyway. Like I say, anyone surprised by that on Sunday hasn’t been paying attention.

He’s playing the hand he’s been dealt. Don’t think I’m 100% on exactly what he’s trying to do, but tbh you’d have to say looking at the summer - another chance missed.

We will be absolutely sound this year and come about 6th - 9th again, because we’ll have enough going forward that when people have bad games against us we can make enough happen.

But in terms of moving forward as a club, massive, massive opportunities wasted last couple of years and we’re still staring at blatantly obvious issues that we’ve been moaning about for what feels like a few years now.

Maybe Mina solves some, maybe Gomes solves some. Not sure either of them do, but obviously got my fingers crossed on both.

In the meantime silva shouldn’t be anywhere near getting sacked because we haven’t got anywhere near seeing his football I don’t think?

And clearly after 4 managers and identical performances it is clear that simply chopping and changing the man in the dug out isn’t the answer. We need to answer some of the questions surrounding our squad.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 06:24:47 PM
Ffs there is only 33 games left quick get fat Sam back .....sarcasm!

New manager first loss in six and peoples heads falling off already despite the absolute shite we all know we still have in the squad .


Great site lads ....even better supporters .

We’d be bottom with no points under allardyce wouldn’t we
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 06:27:10 PM
We’d be bottom with no points under allardyce wouldn’t we

Mate, get to absolute fuck with the Allardyce stuff.

He had his chance here and blew it playing for draws against inferior opposition.

Bet you couldn't wait for things to start going wrong so you can mention his largeness you biff. 

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 06:31:46 PM
Are you suggesting we shouldn’t give him time here?



Of course we should. One thing he will get is time, regardless of how we’re doing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 06:39:41 PM
Of course we should. One thing he will get is time, regardless of how we’re doing.

That's how it should be. Unless things completely go fucked, we have to take these results as part of a learning curve for the manager and give him time to mould the team into one that can play how he wants to play.

I'm hoping we start to see him bin off the old guard like Tosun, Morgan, Sigurdsson, and show some faith in players like Bernard, Dowell, DCL (up front), as well as changing the system to the 433 he likes to play.

He's fell into the trap of coming into a new team, playing 4-2-3-1, keeping the same players from last season and it just doesn't suit the way he wants to play.

Be brave, stand by your convictions and allow yourself to be judged for who you really are. Instead of this pale imitation of a manager we've seen for the last two games churning out the same old shite we've seen for the last three years.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: cantoffee on September 17, 2018, 06:40:26 PM
Think almost no matter what we should be giving Silva the season at least. We've changed managers over and over with no result, we need to give him time to settle in and the squad as well.

Cant imagine we'll finish anywhere but 7th to 10th and that's fine for the first season as long as we see progress an identity of some sort.

Lots of work for him to do, it has been a poor start but not helped by 2 red cards and a quite frankly ridiculous amount of injuries for the start of the season. No excuse for not getting more out of the last two games but he has plenty of time and people need to chill.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on September 17, 2018, 06:53:51 PM
Things can only get so much better until we fix the midfield. Which we can’t really do with the players in the squad.

I’d play Davies and Dowell every week. Not because they’re good but because they actually have a chance of improving, unlike the more senior players who are just going to continue to be their crap selves.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 06:58:28 PM
Things can only get so much better until we fix the midfield. Which we can’t really do with the players in the squad.

I’d play Davies and Dowell every week. Not because they’re good but because they actually have a chance of improving, unlike the more senior players who are just going to continue to be their crap selves.

I would 100% back this.

I guess put Gana in the 6 and just say if you leg about like a mad man we’re going to haul you off.

Same goes for Gylfi - try him in CM and say get the ball off Gana every time he wins it, or I’m going to haul you off the pitch the first time you hide. If he can’t do that then there isn’t a place for him and we should hope someone in China wants to buy him.

Literally nothing will change until we fix the midfield, it’s like watching the same side with *maybe* some better combinations when we manage to finally get it up into the final third.

We have a genuine problem when it comes to this kind of ball progression, and I guess we’re all hoping for Gomes to turn around the last few years of his career but I’m not banking on it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 07:08:00 PM
That's how it should be. Unless things completely go fucked, we have to take these results as part of a learning curve for the manager and give him time to mould the team into one that can play how he wants to play.

I'm hoping we start to see him bin off the old guard like Tosun, Morgan, Sigurdsson, and show some faith in players like Bernard, Dowell, DCL (up front), as well as changing the system to the 433 he likes to play.

He's fell into the trap of coming into a new team, playing 4-2-3-1, keeping the same players from last season and it just doesn't suit the way he wants to play.

Be brave, stand by your convictions and allow yourself to be judged for who you really are. Instead of this pale imitation of a manager we've seen for the last two games churning out the same old shite we've seen for the last three years.

Yeh I'd agree with that, as things stand there's been no real difference from this season to last. My comment about time is that time itself won't solve anything unless you're implementing something different.

The gurning tramp across the park was getting slated in his first season for losing to lesser teams at home as they hadn't worked out how to break them down and were getting punished for conceding sloppily , but you could see they were progressing in the bigger picture. Granted it's only 6 games in and he'll get time but he'll not get a great deal of patience at Goodison if he continues with the same old tired system and performances.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 07:57:49 PM
Mate, get to absolute fuck with the Allardyce stuff.

He had his chance here and blew it playing for draws against inferior opposition.

Bet you couldn't wait for things to start going wrong so you can mention his largeness you biff. 




Its not a defence of allardyce. I’m merely taking the piss out of the folk who came on here after poor results and insisted they were much better than the last manager would have got

The person I quoted claimed we’d definitely would have lost to Huddersfield under him. A game he actually won last season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 08:03:55 PM

Its not a defence of allardyce. I’m merely taking the piss out of the folk who came on here after poor results and insisted they were much better than the last manager would have got

The person I quoted claimed we’d definitely would have lost to Huddersfield under him. A game he actually won last season

We going to get this from you everytime we have a poor result?



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 08:35:43 PM
We going to get this from you everytime we have a poor result?





It’s not about our shit results it’s about the pretence this has been better. The last 3 performances have been dreadful. All I’m saying is people shouldn’t rewrite history and pretend this has been so far any better. It’s actually been worse
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 08:37:48 PM
We going to get this from you everytime we have a poor result?





But no you’re absolutely not. Well unless every shit result is excused with we would have done worse last season/ we finished 8th last season/ the new manager should be judged against that
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on September 17, 2018, 08:45:36 PM
Mate, get to absolute fuck with the Allardyce stuff.

He had his chance here and blew it playing for draws against inferior opposition.

Bet you couldn't wait for things to start going wrong so you can mention his largeness you biff.

Fuck off making posts I agree with will you.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Fuck off making posts I agree with will you.  :thumbsup:

Your the lunatic who insisted there was absolutely no chance he’d of got us a draw against Huddersfield. You’d think we got about 4 points last season they way you compare
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 08:49:28 PM
But no you’re absolutely not. Well unless every shit result is excused with we would have done worse last season/ we finished 8th last season/ the new manager should be judged against that

About one person has said that so turn it in now.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on September 17, 2018, 08:49:45 PM

Its not a defence of allardyce. I’m merely taking the piss out of the folk who came on here after poor results and insisted they were much better than the last manager would have got

The person I quoted claimed we’d definitely would have lost to Huddersfield under him. A game he actually won last season

Your wrong about huddersfield ...I actually said I saw us lose the same type of game countless times last year ....which we did .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 09:01:51 PM
About one person has said that so turn it in now.


It was pretty universal that we’ve had some sort of good start (before yesterday) the last 3 performances have been dreadful. We can’t defend set pieces now and we only look remotely capable in attack when our big new signing plays: all I’m suggesting is that people be honest about the start compared to last seasons dreadful performances. At best it’s equally shit. Not sure why I’m not allowed to say that
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 09:24:46 PM
It was pretty universal that we’ve had some sort of good start (before yesterday) the last 3 performances have been dreadful. We can’t defend set pieces now and we only look remotely capable in attack when our big new signing plays: all I’m suggesting is that people be honest about the start compared to last seasons dreadful performances. At best it’s equally shit. Not sure why I’m not allowed to say that

Read the fucking forum, everyone is saying the same.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on September 17, 2018, 09:25:31 PM
It was pretty universal that we’ve had some sort of good start (before yesterday)

No it wasn't.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on September 17, 2018, 09:30:24 PM
It is a bit worrying really all things considered and my early season optimism is waning based on the crap we 've been served up recently.
Goalkeeper-average
Defence-piss poor.  Really hope mina is a worldy
Midfield-awful and so easy to get through  while not creating much.
Forwards- up there with the least effective in the prem for me....dcl, Tosun,niasse. Bloody hell ....dire.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 09:37:30 PM
Gonna take balls and time to sort this out. Balls to drop Tosun and Schneiderlin (and give Sig a rocket too) and time to get players in who are better. Until then serving up more of the same will only get the fans on his back and the players heads to go down, making the whole thing a lot more difficult than it needs to be.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 17, 2018, 09:46:20 PM
A catalogue of errors yesterday really.

1st goal - Zouma tried to step up and play offside, when he should have already been aware that it wasn’t possible and just tracked Arnautovic’s run.

2nd goal - Pickford giving the ball away and 2 defenders letting Yarmalenko shoot with his left foot in the box.

3rd goal - I get that we were pushing for the equaliser, but tactically to leave that much space in the midfield was criminal. So either Silva has to take responsibility there, or Gueye as the DM needs to look at his positioning.

The finishing - absolutely dreadful from Tosun and Niasse. Poor game from Walcott too.

Silva needs to be all over this in training.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 17, 2018, 10:09:15 PM
3rd Goal Holgate got spun way too easy
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
Absolutely disgusting start. Totally thrown away a great opportunity.

Awful performance yes, but frankly no new problems. Any surprise at that performance, or the individual issues? Not from me.

Not going to sit on here defending myself all week saying ‘no I don’t want him gone’ and reacting to people who reckon i’m ‘writing him off’ etc.

What I am saying is - if that shite continues, which it frankly might considering it’s not exactly a bolt out the blue is it, then he might not last the season.

D'you not think you're being a bit premature and frankly, unstable, at times?

You're the first one I've seen put out the 'might not last the season' shout. So yeah, people will react to that. You did say it, and it is fucking ridiculous.

Then people comment in response, and you dial it back to 'Silva shouldn't be anywhere near getting sacked' a few comments later.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 10:39:15 PM
All three goals were goals a top 6 team doesn't concede. Really basic defending, both individually and collectively. I get that Holgate wouldn't be playing ordinarily and that Pickford makes a howler but it's the same every week. The concentration levels and decision making of these players is, and has been for a long time, really poor.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2018, 10:42:55 PM
The midfield is garbage. We all know it. They don't protect the defence adequately, they don't supply the attack adequately and they don't control games when we need them to.

On paper, you could see why an incoming manager wouldn't think it was the biggest priority in the squad. Gana probably has some of the best defensive stats around, Schneiderlin's passing stats are good, Gylfi's generally well rated as a no. 10, and then you have kids pushing for a place in Davies and Dowell.

So you can see why a manager would think 'I can work with that, I'll try to address the awful defence and buy some more attacking options as an initial priority'.

But yeah, the midfield doesn't work, and never will with these players. And they're not bad players, any of them. The balance doesn't work, and they don't compliment each other at all.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 10:59:55 PM
The midfield is garbage. We all know it. They don't protect the defence adequately, they don't supply the attack adequately and they don't control games when we need them to.

On paper, you could see why an incoming manager wouldn't think it was the biggest priority in the squad. Gana probably has some of the best defensive stats around, Schneiderlin's passing stats are good, Gylfi's generally well rated as a no. 10, and then you have kids pushing for a place in Davies and Dowell.

So you can see why a manager would think 'I can work with that, I'll try to address the awful defence and buy some more attacking options as an initial priority'.

But yeah, the midfield doesn't work, and never will with these players. And they're not bad players, any of them. The balance doesn't work, and they don't compliment each other at all.

If we'd got a new manager in from abroad who hadn't had chance to watch a lot of our play last season I could see that might be a valid argument but Silva had about 6 months to see what everyone else has been seeing for the past 18 months and we still set up the same way.

I get that budget-wise we might have identified more pressing areas as we can't address it all at once but to still have the same midfield three, lining up in the same positions, delivering the same outcome warrants question. Maybe he thought he could get more out of them, I don't know, but it's clearly the biggest issue in the side at the moment.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2018, 11:32:25 PM
If we'd got a new manager in from abroad who hadn't had chance to watch a lot of our play last season I could see that might be a valid argument but Silva had about 6 months to see what everyone else has been seeing for the past 18 months and we still set up the same way.

I get that budget-wise we might have identified more pressing areas as we can't address it all at once but to still have the same midfield three, lining up in the same positions, delivering the same outcome warrants question. Maybe he thought he could get more out of them, I don't know, but it's clearly the biggest issue in the side at the moment.

Yeah it’s fair to ask the questions, I think.

I suppose i’d say there were so many issues that needed addressing that, where do you start, and how much can you do in one window?

The left back was a massive priority, the centre backs were a massive priority, better wide players were a priority, centre mid was a priority, striker’s a priority.

They probably thought midfield could cope for now and added Gomes to help.

But yeah, it’s not coping and it’s not working.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 11:52:18 PM
D'you not think you're being a bit premature and frankly, unstable, at times?

You're the first one I've seen put out the 'might not last the season' shout. So yeah, people will react to that. You did say it, and it is fucking ridiculous.

Then people comment in response, and you dial it back to 'Silva shouldn't be anywhere near getting sacked' a few comments later.


No,not really. I know you like your ‘voice of reason’ shtick but I do think you totally mistake my ‘this is shit, we are going to be shit for a long time’ as ‘the sky is falling in’

The statement that he might not last the season is absolutely not ridiculous, managers get sacked all the time?

It is also not mutually exclusive with my feeling that he *shouldn’t* be anywhere near getting sacked.

In my personal opinion - he’s playing the hand he’s been dealt, a hand that he and Brands both get a pass on this year imo, but he needs to find a way around the issues we are watching every week, or the question will be asked.

I think your belief that it is ridiculous that he doesn’t last the season is more ridiculous, and a bit naive to be honest.

anyway, I think we’ll see him dropping into 3 CM’s and playing on the break soon which should see us improve and leaving less space in behind.

The only time we’ve looked passable is when we’ve done this in fits and starts, maybe it’s been the case that the fixtures have lead to him to try and dominate the games when unfortunately we don’t have the side for it.

Edit : just had a look, this form would get us about 45 points which would be about 10th. Think he’d probably survive that actually but would be quite a difficult year to swallow after the last couple of windows.

I’d be fine with him surviving that as well as long as we looked like there was a plan in place and we were moving forwards towards it. If it was just dice rolls in every game then yeah I’d say look for someone with a more sustainable plan.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 18, 2018, 12:36:31 AM
He isn't getting the bullet this season, even if we're somehow in the bottom three. Moshiri has to stand by his decisions now and Silva is his man. Not that I have any great confidence Moshiri knows a good manager from a bad one but it's his choice so cards are on the table. This season was a line in the sand, a reset.

I'm personally not sold that Silva is the obvious answer you'd go for if you were a billionaire with lots of money at your disposal but we are where we are and I hope he's a success.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 18, 2018, 12:43:12 AM
Hard to be too critical on the management team when the two positions that let us down yesterday were the two not yet addressed, as we needed almost a full overhaul of the team in the summer. Something not possible in one transfer window. Those positions being - strikers, not enough quality. Midfield, feeble.

The centre halves were bad too, but we have 3 of those injured at the moment.

Richarlison suspended and Walcott had an off day.

Digne showed plenty of promise, and I thought Kenny didn’t do too badly, he was certainly impressive with his crossing.

So a shitstorm of a result, but in the bigger picture we’ve still made progress on the quality of the squad. Just need them all fit and eligible now.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eugene on September 18, 2018, 12:54:24 AM
Right let’s see where we are when our new signings are up to speed, I believe the team has relied on Riche for that spark and guile.
The defence has taken a knock with jags plodding then Baines taking a knock not to mention keanes injury and now Colman.
Our injury’s just go on...
Let’s hope this is resolved sooner rather than later but in the meantime let’s get behind the lads it can’t get worse I’m convinced about that COYB
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 02:11:37 AM
SO what’s next for silva at Everton?


Silva’s tactics at Watford deconstructed:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AeomHPQz5ko

I wonder if he’ll start moving towards this? The worrying thing I suppose is that we don’t really have any of those midfielder types at the moment, or do we?

Potentially throws up the likelihood that we end up lashing £50m at Watford for Doucore or maybe even Chalobah. I quite like both players - Doucore selling me this year, he’s looked really good I think.

Our CM options are :

McCarthy
Gueye
Schneiderlin
Davies
Dowell
Sigurdsson*

Best passing range to switch it is probably Schneiderlin, Dowell*, Mccarthy in that order.

Best legs to get up and down are probably Gueye, MCarthy, Davies in that order.

Best to contribute to goals and assists from CM are probably Sigurdsson*, Dowell*, Davies in that order.

Best sitting and breaking up would be Gueye, McCarth, Schneiderlin in no particular order because they’ve all had outstanding seasons as pure destroyers, admittedly that’s across like 8 years.

*we reckon, total exposition however.

NB: McCarthy can maybe be discarded because he’s absolutely finito, but still.

Would like to see a look into how they created chances, cause I can’t really remember, but I’d guess it’s get it to richarlison and get him firing!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 07:14:47 AM
We're not a fucking top 6 team. Who in their right mind thought we were going to be?

This is a project. People need to get a grip and adjust their expectations.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 07:49:23 AM
We're not a fucking top 6 team. Who in their right mind thought we were going to be?

This is a project. People need to get a grip and adjust their expectations.

I agree with that. I suppose if we'd hit the ground running, and got 12-15 points so far (which we could've), people might've thought we could push Arsenal or maybe Utd, if they had a bad season. But yeah, the squad's still got too many issues to realistically hope for that. We could do with an entirely new midfield and probably a better striker long term. They're massive issues, whatever what we look at it.

We're bringing the baggage of Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce to the situation as fans as well, and tbh, we're a little bit traumatised as a fanbase, after the last few seasons. We've got the football equivalent of PTSD (not to trivialise PTSD, just making a point).

Also, we don't like to admit it, but it hurts more and is infinitely harder, when the other lot across the park are winning every game, smashing some teams, spawning it against some teams, but constantly winning.

In terms of the manager, I think we have to be patient and not bring too much of the baggage to the way we view him (which isn't easy, I know). For example, we have to remember that Klopp took over in October and finished 8th in his first season in the Prem. There needs to be a bit of calmness and perspective. He's trying to put in place his ideas, and that's difficult when some players clearly aren't capable of that, and need replacing.

Should he go away from his method, because some of the players aren't good enough? I would say, no. Stick with the method, make the best of what we have at the moment, and look to address the weak areas ASAP. Not to keep bringing them up, but Klopp stuck with his method, and eventually bought players who could do what he needed to do in that system, and their results improved.

It's really hard to be an Everton fan like, I do think that, and in many ways, for many years, it's been akin to psychological torture.


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 19, 2018, 09:18:44 AM
All true but you don't need top draw players to avoid acres of space for the opposition to exploit at their leisure, along with the obvious stuff at the back, set piece defence, marking, positioning etc, they need a plan, it's been so long since we looked like we had one. We gifted 3 points to West Ham that has to stop with the players we have.
   Losing is part of the game but giving points away shouldn't be, we'll see next game if they've been working hard at it  this week on the obvious stuff, and we hopefully see soon a plan emerging to stop being so generous to the opposition.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 19, 2018, 11:23:23 AM
Gueye as an advancing DM really grates on me. Have you ever seen him give a through ball or test the keeper? No quality in the opponents half.

And as a sitting DM he is poor positionally, leaving gaps. Say what you want about Schneiderlin, he’s always in the danger hole.

He can be a useful player and I respect his strengths, but in my opinion, Gueye shouldn’t play in this formation. It should be one DM holding and another capable of progressing. A player like Gueye is more suited to a defensive team that counters with quick forwards.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on September 19, 2018, 11:30:23 AM
I’d argue that Gueye works his bollocks off for the full 90 closing the gaps, putting pressure on the ball carrier and winning it back for us while Schniderlin strolls around not bothering to track back and shows a lack of conviction in his general play.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 02:19:10 PM
We're not a fucking top 6 team. Who in their right mind thought we were going to be?

This is a project. People need to get a grip and adjust their expectations.

Who thought we would be?

A million miles away.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on September 19, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
I agree with that. I suppose if we'd hit the ground running, and got 12-15 points so far (which we could've), people might've thought we could push Arsenal or maybe Utd, if they had a bad season. But yeah, the squad's still got too many issues to realistically hope for that. We could do with an entirely new midfield and probably a better striker long term. They're massive issues, whatever what we look at it.

We're bringing the baggage of Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce to the situation as fans as well, and tbh, we're a little bit traumatised as a fanbase, after the last few seasons. We've got the football equivalent of PTSD (not to trivialise PTSD, just making a point).

Also, we don't like to admit it, but it hurts more and is infinitely harder, when the other lot across the park are winning every game, smashing some teams, spawning it against some teams, but constantly winning.

In terms of the manager, I think we have to be patient and not bring too much of the baggage to the way we view him (which isn't easy, I know). For example, we have to remember that Klopp took over in October and finished 8th in his first season in the Prem. There needs to be a bit of calmness and perspective. He's trying to put in place his ideas, and that's difficult when some players clearly aren't capable of that, and need replacing.

Should he go away from his method, because some of the players aren't good enough? I would say, no. Stick with the method, make the best of what we have at the moment, and look to address the weak areas ASAP. Not to keep bringing them up, but Klopp stuck with his method, and eventually bought players who could do what he needed to do in that system, and their results improved.

It's really hard to be an Everton fan like, I do think that, and in many ways, for many years, it's been akin to psychological torture.




Spot on, the problem is, a lot of us Evertonian's have have no patience whatsoever, its actually embarrassing. Things won't improve overnight, it's gonna take a year or maybe 2 to sort the problems on the pitch out, so instead of the constant moaning and doom and gloom, get behind the manager and his ideas.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 02:39:15 PM
Spot on, the problem is, a lot of us Evertonian's have have no patience whatsoever, its actually embarrassing. Things won't improve overnight, it's gonna take a year or maybe 2 to sort the problems on the pitch out, so instead of the constant moaning and doom and gloom, get behind the manager and his ideas.

That's it mate. Some of my mates who support other clubs don't really get our fanbase. They don't get why we're so angry and impatient, and how quickly we can turn on players or managers. I explain to them that it's a combination of severe disappointment over 2/3 decades, combined with the expectations of a big club, and growing up hearing about our glory days, but never actually experiencing them (for people in their mid thirties and younger, anyway).

If, one day, and it's a big if, we can actually harness all of that weight of emotion behind us, we'll be a force. People are dying to have something to get behind.

We can ask for patience, but it won't come. The only way we're going to get behind the team and the club properly is if there's something on the pitch to get behind. And that's up to Silva and Brands ultimately. It's not ideal, but that's the situation we're in as a club.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 19, 2018, 03:25:28 PM
We're not a fucking top 6 team. Who in their right mind thought we were going to be?

This is a project. People need to get a grip and adjust their expectations.

No-one thought that. Your rant is more for yourself it seems.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 03:25:33 PM
Don’t think any of this fluff is relevant for this thread and you should move it to the one about support.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 03:35:18 PM
We're not a fucking top 6 team. Who in their right mind thought we were going to be?

This is a project. People need to get a grip and adjust their expectations.

Didn’t see anybody expecting us to be a top six team this season.

I think we all have reasonable expectations, but even those might have to be lowered.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
Didn’t see anybody expecting us to be a top six team this season.

I think we all have reasonable expectations, but even those might have to be lowered.

Nobody did, maybe some dangerously deluded loons.

This is just ‘you are all not positive enough like me because I am a gr8 fan’ fluff.

This is a tactics thread not a ‘ffs stop talking about tactics & get behind our brave boys’ thread.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 04:57:03 PM
My comment wasn't about people expecting us to finish top 6, it was about people expecting us to play like a top 6 side.

6 competitive games in, after fours seasons effectively in the wilderness, and our fanbase are already moaning about zonal marking, shit players, possibility of the manager not seeing the season out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 05:03:42 PM
My comment wasn't about people expecting us to finish top 6, it was about people expecting us to play like a top 6 side.

6 competitive games in, after fours seasons effectively in the wilderness, and our fanbase are already moaning about zonal marking, shit players, possibility of the manager not seeing the season out.

No.

We’re trying to deconstruct why we’ve failed to beat West Ham and Huddersfield at home and how Silva can try and rectify what have been two very worrying and poor performances.

What do you want us to do? Just completely ignore the last two results and pretend everything is ok and results will come?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 05:04:15 PM
Nobody did, maybe some dangerously deluded loons.

This is just ‘you are all not positive enough like me because I am a gr8 fan’ fluff.

This is a tactics thread not a ‘ffs stop talking about tactics & get behind our brave boys’ thread.

Thought it was just a catch-all thread about the manager (including tactics) tbh. Perfectly reasonable for people to talk about the fans relationship with/expectations of the manager.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 05:46:47 PM
No.

We’re trying to deconstruct why we’ve failed to beat West Ham and Huddersfield at home and how Silva can try and rectify what have been two very worrying and poor performances.

What do you want us to do? Just completely ignore the last two results and pretend everything is ok and results will come?
How about analysing it with some context?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
How about analysing it with some context?

That’s what people are doing.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 05:54:20 PM
How about analysing it with some context?

And you think ‘we’re not a top 6 side’ Is that do you
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Escla on September 19, 2018, 05:55:34 PM
My comment wasn't about people expecting us to finish top 6, it was about people expecting us to play like a top 6 side.

6 competitive games in, after fours seasons effectively in the wilderness, and our fanbase are already moaning about zonal marking, shit players, possibility of the manager not seeing the season out.

Don’t think I have seen or heard of anyone anywhere suggesting Silva will not see the season out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 05:56:10 PM
Do t think I have seen or heard of anyone anywhere suggesting Silva will not see the season out.

I said he might not, to be fair.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 05:58:14 PM
And you think ‘we’re not a top 6 side’ Is that do you
Do I think we're a top 6 side this season? Of corse I don't. Nor am I expectig us to play like one after 4 months with a new manager who has inherited an appaling squad.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 06:00:01 PM
That’s what people are doing.
If that's your opinion then fair enough. My opinion is that a lot of the last few pages hasn't been.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Escla on September 19, 2018, 06:03:56 PM
I said he might not, to be fair.

I was reffering to what Glory said.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 06:05:06 PM
Thought it was just a catch-all thread about the manager (including tactics) tbh. Perfectly reasonable for people to talk about the fans relationship with/expectations of the manager.


Looks more like you’re talking about the fans relationships with other fans to me.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 06:06:16 PM
I was reffering to what Glory said.

Me too sorry, I literally posted ‘he might not last the season’ after West Ham.

A few have took this to mean I think he should go or whatever, glory might be talking about me there.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 06:09:46 PM
If that's your opinion then fair enough. My opinion is that a lot of the last few pages hasn't been.

I think if anyone is guilty of removing context here it’s yourself.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 06:27:08 PM
I think if anyone is guilty of removing context here it’s yourself.
Because I dare to say that 6 games is not enough before people start jumping on results and performances?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 19, 2018, 06:31:25 PM
As fans, on a fan’s forum, if we’re not analysing the previous weeks game and talking about results, tactics, players, manager, style etc... then what's the point of being on here.

We can appreciate the current situation knowing we need to give it time and still critically appraise where we’re at and the journey we’re on.

Think some people need to reign it in.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 06:32:59 PM
Because I dare to say that 6 games is not enough before people start jumping on results and performances?

No one is jumping on anything.

Again, the context here has been lost by yourself.

Two poor performances and people will question various things about shape, individual performances, team selection, tactics etc.

If you call that jumping on things, or thinking we all expect us to be a top six side then that's your prerogative.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 06:34:56 PM
Me too sorry, I literally posted ‘he might not last the season’ after West Ham.

A few have took this to mean I think he should go or whatever, glory might be talking about me there.

Just to clarify I didn't take it as 'you think he should go'.

Just thought it was a bit silly to even mention it, personally, after the first defeat. But you're entitled to your opinion, obviously.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 06:36:25 PM
Just to clarify I didn't take it as 'you think he should go'.

Just thought it was a bit silly to even mention it, personally, after the first defeat. But you're entitled to your opinion, obviously.

In the current climate though it really isn't that much of a mad shout.

Take a hiding at Arsenal and the daggers from the media will already be out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 06:40:11 PM
In the current climate though it really isn't that much of a mad shout.

Take a hiding at Arsenal and the daggers from the media will already be out.

Don't we need to push against 'the current climate' though, and try to be a bit longer term? One of our main problems has been constant upheaval and instability.

The last time we've had relative success has been under the stability of Moyes, and then in Martinez's first season, built on Moyes' foundations.

I'm not saying brap wants him sacked, or is advocating anything like that, but I don't see what even suggesting he might not last the season, based on one defeat could possibly contribute, other than to stress people out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 06:46:55 PM
Just to clarify I didn't take it as 'you think he should go'.

Just thought it was a bit silly to even mention it, personally, after the first defeat. But you're entitled to your opinion, obviously.

Not sure I am actually based on how you’ve been responding to my posts lately.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 06:52:08 PM
Not sure I am actually based on how you’ve been responding to my posts lately.

Course you are. And if I disagree, I hope you don't mind me saying. That's all it is. Me disagreeing. Nothing personal.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluenose 91 on September 19, 2018, 06:53:22 PM
Touchy on here lately isn't it  lolol
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on September 19, 2018, 06:56:22 PM
In the current climate though it really isn't that much of a mad shout.

Take a hiding at Arsenal and the daggers from the media will already be out.

Nah, it's a mad shout. Players suspended and injured, team still gelling, we're bound to have bad performances until we get a more settled team playing the way Silva wants us to. Even Moshiri being a bit mental at times knows we can't just keep chasing managers then sacking them as soon as things get a bit ropey, not that they are at the moment anyway.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on September 19, 2018, 06:58:18 PM
I wish Silva would be a little cagier tactically.

We've done a better job of controlling matches down a man this season. Sitting a little deeper makes us harder to exploit through the middle and we'll always carry a threat because our wingers are so good in space.

Obviously, this sort of thing won't work every match (Huddersfield at home, for instance) but I think we'd see better performances if we were less aggressive at trying to pressure the ball in our opponent's third. We're not built to play so aggressively, especially our midfield.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 07:00:28 PM
Nah, it's a mad shout. Players suspended and injured, team still gelling, we're bound to have bad performances until we get a more settled team playing the way Silva wants us to. Even Moshiri being a bit mental at times knows we can't just keep chasing managers then sacking them as soon as things get a bit ropey, not that they are at the moment anyway.

He didn’t last in the immediate previous season, and yet it’s a mad shout that may not last this.

Wouldn’t have been a mad shout if I’d said it before a ball had been kicked to be honest.

What is the average life span of a mid table prem manager these days? 1.5 seasons maybe?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluenose 91 on September 19, 2018, 07:13:50 PM
I wish Silva would be a little cagier tactically.

We've done a better job of controlling matches down a man this season. Sitting a little deeper makes us harder to exploit through the middle and we'll always carry a threat because our wingers are so good in space.

Obviously, this sort of thing won't work every match (Huddersfield at home, for instance) but I think we'd see better performances if we were less aggressive at trying to pressure the ball in our opponent's third. We're not built to play so aggressively, especially our midfield.

Agree with this.

Go a little bit more conservative until he gets more of the players in who can play the style he wants to a good level.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 07:16:04 PM
Agree with this.

Go a little bit more conservative until he gets more of the players in who can play the style he wants to a good level.

Arsenal game should be a decent chance to go more solid, and try to play on the break.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluenose 91 on September 19, 2018, 07:16:59 PM
Arsenal game should be a decent chance to go more solid, and try to play on the break.

Yeah I'd hope so.

It's possible to play tighter whilst still aiming to come away with a win.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 19, 2018, 09:09:00 PM
I think he’s just guilty of being a little naive so far. He’s tried to play the way he’d like to (and the way Evertonians like to see us play) and he’s been caught out trying to do it mainly with players who can’t deliver it.

I think he needs to play the cards he’s been dealt a little more and wait until he gets a full set before going ahead with what I presume is his preferred plan.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 19, 2018, 09:30:38 PM
I'd argue that Gueye works his bollocks off for the full 90 closing the gaps, putting pressure on the ball carrier and winning it back for us while Schniderlin strolls around not bothering to track back and shows a lack of conviction in his general play.

OK, but if we play with one defensive midfielder he needs to hold his position, and Gueye doesn’t do that. Forget about everything else, their midfielder would get a free run at our defence all game.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on September 19, 2018, 09:38:58 PM
He didn’t last in the immediate previous season, and yet it’s a mad shout that may not last this.

Wouldn’t have been a mad shout if I’d said it before a ball had been kicked to be honest.

What is the average life span of a mid table prem manager these days? 1.5 seasons maybe?


Chances are he'd still be there if we hadn't gone after him or at least seen the season out but Watford aren't exactly reknowned for sticking by their managers anyway.

But your not basing it on the average Premier League manager's life span, you're basing it on a couple of poor performances with 10-12 players currently not available for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheTone on September 19, 2018, 09:50:02 PM
I think he’s just guilty of being a little naive so far. He’s tried to play the way he’d like to (and the way Evertonians like to see us play) and he’s been caught out trying to do it mainly with players who can’t deliver it.

I think he needs to play the cards he’s been dealt a little more and wait until he gets a full set before going ahead with what I presume is his preferred plan.

still a few jokers amongst the pack like
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mac934 on September 19, 2018, 10:01:23 PM
I think he’s just guilty of being a little naive so far. He’s tried to play the way he’d like to (and the way Evertonians like to see us play) and he’s been caught out trying to do it mainly with players who can’t deliver it.

I think he needs to play the cards he’s been dealt a little more and wait until he gets a full set before going ahead with what I presume is his preferred plan.
You mean like Sam did. He even said it himself. He played to what he had available. Not saying I wanted him, but he did what he had to. You can't soar like an eagle when your stuck with turkeys.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 10:11:36 PM
Chances are he'd still be there if we hadn't gone after him or at least seen the season out but Watford aren't exactly reknowned for sticking by their managers anyway.

But your not basing it on the average Premier League manager's life span, you're basing it on a couple of poor performances with 10-12 players currently not available for one reason or another.

What’s the difference exactly? For one reason or another, managers don’t last in this league very long and Marco is a good example of that. It’s not mad to suggest almost any manager not last the season.

Yes, the fact he was handed a very easy start to the season and we’ve blubbed it make it more likely.

Yes, the fact existing complaints about his management style - concedes a lot, doesn’t keep clean sheets, cut open on the break a lot, xg/xgc balance not great, poor at organising defence against set pieces, lots of red cards, is quite a big ‘gambler’ in terms of pushing men forward regardless of in game context - have already been present make it clearer he’s not the magic answer to our problems also make it more likely to happen.

Yes, losing games at home make it more likely also. Particularly with a score like 3-1, even more so when it’s against pointless bottom of the league West Ham.

I want him to succeed, but no frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t. None of the other 4 or so since Moyes have, have they.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 19, 2018, 10:40:37 PM
Don’t think I have seen or heard of anyone anywhere suggesting Silva will not see the season out.

Hardly beyond the realms of possibility, given his track record.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: D15TIN on September 19, 2018, 11:08:27 PM
I think he’s just guilty of being a little naive so far. He’s tried to play the way he’d like to (and the way Evertonians like to see us play) and he’s been caught out trying to do it mainly with players who can’t deliver it.

I think he needs to play the cards he’s been dealt a little more and wait until he gets a full set before going ahead with what I presume is his preferred plan.
This is what ive thought so far
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Escla on September 20, 2018, 01:23:24 AM
Hardly beyond the realms of possibility, given his track record.
Who said it wasn’t ?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2018, 06:25:23 AM
I actually feel more positive after that than I did after West Ham. Find it odd to see people reacting quite badly to the loss as though it wasn’t always coming - there is a bigger gulf in class on the pitch between us and the top six than there has been for quite some time.

Hoping for a win today was realistically just hoping for a bit of a miracle like arsenal have a bad day or we take all our chances and bury everything etc.

We looked positive and most of the players can be relatively pleased with how they played.

It was a bit like Joshua Povetkin actually. We worked hard and game then problems, but when they did step up a gear they cut through us, and it ended up a bit of a regulation win for them to be honest, but that’s just down to the difference in quality and we are some way off addressing that (2, 3 windows?).

Edit: just realised I didn’t really make my point - the game plan was OK. A little bit of a shootout (go toe to toe and either luck or quality prevails) and when we do that against Liverpool we unfortunately are going to get absolutely mullered...but fuck it I don’t mind that tactic too much because you might get a result with the right luck, and you can (in theory) eventually solve the quality problem to give yourself more and more chance to win those games.

If you lose because you set up terribly or you don’t have a plan then that would be a problem. Not saying it doesn’t tell us something about silva but imo I’ve got a bit of credit on the bank for results like that.

West Ham at home, not so much.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: bluenuck on September 24, 2018, 07:50:53 AM
I actually feel more positive after that than I did after West Ham. Find it odd to see people reacting quite badly to the loss as though it wasn’t always coming - there is a bigger gulf in class on the pitch between us and the top six than there has been for quite some time.

Hoping for a win today was realistically just hoping for a bit of a miracle like arsenal have a bad day or we take all our chances and bury everything etc.

We looked positive and most of the players can be relatively pleased with how they played.

It was a bit like Joshua Povetkin actually. We worked hard and game then problems, but when they did step up a gear they cut through us, and it ended up a bit of a regulation win for them to be honest, but that’s just down to the difference in quality and we are some way off addressing that (2, 3 windows?).

Edit: just realised I didn’t really make my point - the game plan was OK. A little bit of a shootout (go toe to toe and either luck or quality prevails) and when we do that against Liverpool we unfortunately are going to get absolutely mullered...but fuck it I don’t mind that tactic too much because you might get a result with the right luck, and you can (in theory) eventually solve the quality problem to give yourself more and more chance to win those games.

If you lose because you set up terribly or you don’t have a plan then that would be a problem. Not saying it doesn’t tell us something about silva but imo I’ve got a bit of credit on the bank for results like that.

West Ham at home, not so much.

Why do i get the feeling after Fulham next weekend it's going to feel like West Ham last weekend??

Some glaring weakness will rear it's ugly head in pretty much every game. We're just not very good.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2018, 01:37:07 PM
Why do i get the feeling after Fulham next weekend it's going to feel like West Ham last weekend??

Some glaring weakness will rear it's ugly head in pretty much every game. We're just not very good.

Fulham unlikely to come and park the bus to be fair - they seem to try and turn up and play regardless of opposition which means Richarlison and the lads will have a bit of space, which is where we look dangerous.

What would be really worrying is if at home against them they pass us off the park and we allow Seri to run the game.

No doubt about it if we struggle against Fulham the pressure will be on Marco unfortunately, but in my opinion we should be able to deal with them.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on September 24, 2018, 02:29:55 PM
Alan Nixon reporting (in the fucking Scum) that our players are complaining about Silva; his preparation for PL games is too intricate and intense apparently...

If there was even a fucking ounce of truth in that, then I think it highlights the players in a bad light, and would show why we have struggled under successive management since Moyes left.

...but... it is in the Scum, so is probably blatantly untrue and just them stirring things up as they cannot attend matches.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2018, 02:37:16 PM
Alan Nixon reporting (in the fucking Scum) that our players are complaining about Silva; his preparation for PL games is too intricate and intense apparently...

If there was even a fucking ounce of truth in that, then I think it highlights the players in a bad light, and would show why we have struggled under successive management since Moyes left.

...but... it is in the Scum, so is probably blatantly untrue and just them stirring things up as they cannot attend matches.


I think it’s probably blag, but it’s a symptom of a struggling side isn’t it when the rags start ratching up the pressure on the manager.

Training ground bust up or young player wanting out will be the next story no doubt.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on September 24, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
More than likely, I agree. If it was reported elsewhere, maybe you would think there was something in it.

My thoughts on yesterday, if anyone is interested, is that we looked like a totally different team to the one who played against West Ham. I liked the energy and attacking intent we showed, but once again we were hampered by no quality up top. I think DCL is a more direct threat than Tosun, is so much as he can run and lead the line reasonably well. He seems to get into the correct positions and is a nuisance, but he has no composure whatsoever. Few times he looked like Bambi on ice yesterday; hopefully with game time as a No.9 and maybe a goal or two, he will calm down.

JJ Kenny and Digne were both excellent again yesterday I thought; good to see Kenny really pushing Coleman for his spot this season. Thought Davies and Gueye offered more in CM than Gueye and Gylfi did last week, but we are still missing someone like Barkley, who can pick up the ball and take it past people; hopefully Gomes will be that player. I would definitely like to see us signing a CM and a Striker in January.

Moussa Marega would be my choice if attainable; strong and powerful striker who knows where the net is.

Big test is whether we can repeat this against Fulham; I would probably start the same team, or move Richarlison up top and bring in Bernard on the left. Half tempted to give DCL time to see what he can do in his favoured position.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
We're much better suited to playing away from home. The games we've struggled to create anything in are at Goodison when teams sit back and don't allow us any space.

I hope Silva learns from this and, as much as the crowd won't like it, allow Fulham plenty of the ball in their half so we can do what we do best which is break with pace when there are gaps to exploit. He might have wanted to do that against Huddersfield but would have been wary of the fans frustration not going for them at home, as well as not having Richarlison.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2018, 05:22:21 AM
I think Sunday was our best performance of the season, and there was plenty to feel positive about.

Look at this defensive action map from twitter (I know, sorry) https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/1044346938496364544?s=21

Despite not having 2 defensive midfielders on the pitch and having two box to box players with an AM in front we made the middle of the pitch really tough for them. Forcing them backwards or nicking it.

We closed down aggressively in their half and kept the pressure on them when they tried to shuttle it out wide.

We had relatively little to do in the really dangerous areas, and although they lashed all sorts at Kenny he nearly passed wih flying colours. He won’t face two like Auba and Lacca every week, thank god.

They won because they have bigger and better superstar attackers. That’s all. It won’t happen every week, and if we play like that again we get results.

Keep the faith lads, Everton are magic.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on September 25, 2018, 05:28:39 AM
Alan Nixon has never written a positive story about us.....ever
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2018, 01:53:20 PM
https://betweentheposts.net/arsenal-everton-2-0-quality-front-goal-makes-difference-for-unspectacular-arsenal/
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: plumber on September 25, 2018, 05:21:37 PM
I think Sunday was our best performance of the season, and there was plenty to feel positive about.

Look at this defensive action map from twitter (I know, sorry) https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/1044346938496364544?s=21

Despite not having 2 defensive midfielders on the pitch and having two box to box players with an AM in front we made the middle of the pitch really tough for them. Forcing them backwards or nicking it.

We closed down aggressively in their half and kept the pressure on them when they tried to shuttle it out wide.

We had relatively little to do in the really dangerous areas, and although they lashed all sorts at Kenny he nearly passed wih flying colours. He won’t face two like Auba and Lacca every week, thank god.

They won because they have bigger and better superstar attackers. That’s all. It won’t happen every week, and if we play like that again we get results.

Keep the faith lads, Everton are magic.

I don‘t want to piss on your bonfire, but that‘s exactly what Cardiff and West Ham have done to them. Despite decent results they are average side for the meantime, piss poor at playing out from the back and vulnerable when opposition press high up the pitch.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2018, 05:51:25 PM
I don‘t want to piss on your bonfire, but that‘s exactly what Cardiff and West Ham have done to them. Despite decent results they are average side for the meantime, piss poor at playing out from the back and vulnerable when opposition press high up the pitch.

Yeah I don’t think they are particularly good, if they were they would have battered us.

But i don’t think we are any good either so you know.

What I mean is the plan was fine and we executed it fine but without quality up top and got beat by quality the other end.

No matter how average arsenal are, there are many worse sides in the league and in those games maybe our quality will show instead.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: plumber on September 25, 2018, 06:13:04 PM
Yes, I agree with you, the plan was good. That gives some hope at least after pathetic game against West Ham.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: formerKHL on September 25, 2018, 06:15:48 PM
IMO..the marco effect seems to be similar to what we've had for the past four or so seasons..ie: no plan B..

Marco's "plan B" IMO seems to be no matter what the score throw more attackers on....problem is we seem to be chasing games too often for my liking....again purely my opinion...my plan B would be to game manage more...we lose our heads when we go a goal down instead of composing and consolidating....we're even vulnerable just after WE score....again no game management....

I know different managers have different styles etc but if you analyse the successful teams they all manage their games to suit their style and pattern of play....

we need to start doing the same..

We don't have to batter teams every game (although we'd all love it if we did) 1-0 wins are better than 1-1 draws or losses....then turn the 1-0's into 2-0's etc etc…
Game Management...…...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on October 03, 2018, 07:11:52 AM
Fiorentina used to play a 3-4-2-1 formation with Bernadeschi at right back and got a lot of success out of it.

I wonder if we could do the same to get Bernard more centrally in the pitch without pushing Sigurdsson out on the wing?

Not that it’s going to happen like.

Pickford
Zouma Keane Mina
Richarlison Gana Davies Digne
Sigurdsson Bernard
Walcott
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: cantoffee on October 03, 2018, 08:48:33 AM
Fiorentina used to play a 3-4-2-1 formation with Bernadeschi at right back and got a lot of success out of it.

I wonder if we could do the same to get Bernard more centrally in the pitch without pushing Sigurdsson out on the wing?

Not that it's going to happen like.

Pickford
Zouma Keane Mina
Richarlison Gana Davies Digne
Sigurdsson Bernard
Walcott
Bruh...

You must be on something. Richarlison is staying where he should - at the top end of the pitch.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on October 29, 2018, 12:45:13 AM
Not liked everything I've seen this season but think we are really are closing the gap based on the Arsenal and Utd games and are much better on the eye. Well done lad.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2018, 12:13:03 AM
Wonder when he’ll switch to 4-3-3 and how he’ll do it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 30, 2018, 01:43:12 AM
We're getting better and if anyone can't see it you don't want to. Finding the right attack formation is a work in progress and we might need to buy but defence wise, spirit and team cohesion we're definitely improving.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 30, 2018, 01:49:46 AM
Wonder when he’ll switch to 4-3-3 and how he’ll do it

Nahhhh, full FM

         Pickford
   Mina Keane Zouma
Coleman            Digne
         Gana Gomes
             Siggy
      Richarlison DCL

Fullbacks proper bombed on constantly, Gana covering side to side rather than up the pitch, Siggy/Bernard interchangeable, or Lookman/Walcott for more attacking, Richarlison in pretty much a free role, with DCL/Tosun as fixed striker with the others doing more movement....
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 30, 2018, 03:54:53 AM
Nahhhh, full FM

         Pickford
   Mina Keane Zouma
Coleman            Digne
         Gana Gomes
             Siggy
      Richarlison DCL

Fullbacks proper bombed on constantly, Gana covering side to side rather than up the pitch, Siggy/Bernard interchangeable, or Lookman/Walcott for more attacking, Richarlison in pretty much a free role, with DCL/Tosun as fixed striker with the others doing more movement....

That’s terrible.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2018, 04:36:29 AM
Quite an interesting analysis of the Utd game:

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactical-analysis-manchester-united-2-everton-1/
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2018, 05:22:45 AM
Quite an interesting analysis of the Utd game:

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactical-analysis-manchester-united-2-everton-1/

Really good that.

Quote
Despite an increase in possession, they still relied on the full-backs to deliver attacking crosses and their play in the final third otherwise lacked invention

@TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) that’s what I’m worried about at home v Brighton ^ lots down the flanks with Dunk and Duffy putting big fods on everything that comes near them.

Baines aids build up through the middle by cutting passes inside to feet and underlapping inside the full back.

Bainard incoming.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2018, 01:33:02 PM
Really good that.

@TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) that’s what I’m worried about at home v Brighton ^ lots down the flanks with Dunk and Duffy putting big fods on everything that comes near them.

Baines aids build up through the middle by cutting passes inside to feet and underlapping inside the full back.

Bainard incoming.

Baines left back, digne right back maybe?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2018, 01:37:24 PM
Baines left back, digne right back maybe?

NOW we’re talking, full footy manager mode
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 04, 2018, 12:06:35 AM
Crosses vs two CBs like today’s wasn’t the best idea but overall through history we do love crosses.

I think there’s a synergy between approach and crowd wishes that we haven’t seen for a while.

More specifically the front 4, whoever they are, are very much improved in their positions when pressing.

The opposition are routinely only left with a lofted ball up front.

The defence are also a lot more aggressive in their challenges when it does go up their. I think Silva would rather concede a foul than an easy possession for the opposition.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blueski on November 04, 2018, 12:17:59 AM
Personally liked the attacking combinations and general pace of decisions when we were on the ball in their half today

There were plenty of instances where things didn't come off but its refreshing vs any of the 3 prior regimes. lots of attempted and successful two and 3 player combinations with the end goal being to attempt to create a chance. Yes there were crosses but there were also a lot of attempts to create chances at players feet.

Weve been slogging so long through Everton teams that endlessly passed the ball sideways and backwards it feels liberating doesn't it?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on November 04, 2018, 12:44:09 AM
He never sat down today Silva, the guy is tweaking the system constantly ....every little break in play he is in some players ear, either bigging them up or offering ideas ...I love it .

Really impressed .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on November 04, 2018, 12:49:08 AM
He never sat down today Silva, the guy is tweaking the system constantly ....every little break in play he is in some players ear, either bigging them up or offering ideas ...I love it .

Really impressed .

Yeah, I noticed that.

Great to see.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 04, 2018, 12:47:11 PM
Will be interesting to see in the coming weeks but I’m pretty sure on corners at least, that we’re now having Sig and Gueye man marking (in this case the two CBs) and the others in zones.

Obviously we got done for their goal but the change of angle might have caught us out.

But also for our first one it seemed to work well as the man markers were blocking their CBs and Zouma was left free to attack the ball.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 04, 2018, 02:53:40 PM
If true it shows he’s a pragmatic coach, willing to change and adapt his preferred ways of working to get better results, unlike someone like Martinez for example. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 03:05:51 PM
Like to see Davies get some game time along side Gomes, think it would do him the world of good and help bring him on, with the transformation lately of Keane's defending i'd hope Davies could be another to make a leap forward along with Lookman and Lewin. The order that issues have been tackled in recruitment and style of play changes can't be argued with lately for me so fair play to all the staff, feel like we can give Chelsea a game next.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 04, 2018, 03:20:55 PM
Like to see Davies get some game time along side Gomes, think it would do him the world of good and help bring him on, with the transformation lately of Keane's defending i'd hope Davies could be another to make a leap forward along with Lookman and Lewin. The order that issues have been tackled in recruitment and style of play changes can't be argued with lately for me so fair play to all the staff, feel like we can give Chelsea a game next.

who you dropping for davies, or you mean off the bench? isn't our bench looking good all of a sudden?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 03:31:28 PM
who you dropping for davies, or you mean off the bench? isn't our bench looking good all of a sudden?
Hard to drop anyone mate, but maybe when we've put a game to bed to start with, maybe i've got a soft spot for Davies but still think there's a very good player in there, i had the same feeling for Barkley, maybe i'm too sentimental about home grown lads.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 04, 2018, 04:54:04 PM
Hard to drop anyone mate, but maybe when we've put a game to bed to start with, maybe i've got a soft spot for Davies but still think there's a very good player in there, i had the same feeling for Barkley, maybe i'm too sentimental about home grown lads.

No I agree, I like Davies. Just he isn't a first 11 player currently and depending on how the game is going there's better options off bench. If we are chasing a game DCL Lookman Tosun are the obvious subs

If we are in control say 2 - 0 you could take Sig off for Davies to be fair. Can't think of many other ways you'd get him in. If we are well in control maybe as a way to rest gueye and gomes but I'd rather they stay on as it's likely that we are in control because they are the ones controlling it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 04:58:56 PM
No I agree, I like Davies. Just he isn't a first 11 player currently and depending on how the game is going there's better options off bench. If we are chasing a game DCL Lookman Tosun are the obvious subs

If we are in control say 2 - 0 you could take Sig off for Davies to be fair. Can't think of many other ways you'd get him in. If we are well in control maybe as a way to rest gueye and gomes but I'd rather they stay on as it's likely that we are in control because they are the ones controlling it
Yes all true mate, but they are good problems to have for the first time in ages, a great sign of the improve going on.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 05:33:57 PM
Will be interesting to see in the coming weeks but I’m pretty sure on corners at least, that we’re now having Sig and Gueye man marking (in this case the two CBs) and the others in zones.

Obviously we got done for their goal but the change of angle might have caught us out.

But also for our first one it seemed to work well as the man markers were blocking their CBs and Zouma was left free to attack the ball.

If so then I’m glad. We haven’t been coming out very well from corners this year. Maybe taking some time to adapt etc.

Not sure what accounts for how poor we’ve been at converting from corners however.

https://twitter.com/toffeeanalysis/status/1058030887244365824?s=21
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 05:41:07 PM
Re: Davies -  4-3-3 will happen at some point I think.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on November 04, 2018, 05:45:28 PM
4-3-1-2

Walcott on the brink
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 04, 2018, 06:09:24 PM
If so then I’m glad. We haven’t been coming out very well from corners this year. Maybe taking some time to adapt etc.

Not sure what accounts for how poor we’ve been at converting from corners however.

https://twitter.com/toffeeanalysis/status/1058030887244365824?s=21

Guess not having great scoring headers?

Zouma should have done much better with his chance in the first half for examlme
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 04, 2018, 06:20:27 PM
You’d like to think Mina’s presence will help us create a few more goalscoring opportunities from corners moving forwards.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
Guess not having great scoring headers?

Zouma should have done much better with his chance in the first half for examlme

I’d guess xg takes into account position and surrounding pressure of the shot rather than the headerer themselves, but I suppose better in the air = better at fashioning a good chance.

I dunno, feels a bit freaky rather than anything we’re specifically doing wrong to me. Had a few 50p headers fly into the stands instead of the net.

Had a couple of flick ons yesterday that didn’t get pounced on also.

Keane should have had a handful this season on his own imo!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 04, 2018, 07:12:52 PM
Re: Davies -  4-3-3 will happen at some point I think.

Who you taking out for him? Is it you who just doesn't rate sig at all? He was instrumental in 2 of our goals yesterday and has set up more chances than most players this season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 07:51:54 PM
Who you taking out for him? Is it you who just doesn't rate sig at all? He was instrumental in 2 of our goals yesterday and has set up more chances than most players this season

I am a critic but I’d say I’m definitely conflicted on Sig. In the form of his life at the moment and if we are going to play a number 10 then there’s few players you’d take over him, even less in this form.

I think my issue is (beyond money and contract size and the purchase in general) that I’m not sure he was ever quite right for us. The problem I think we had and still have a bit is making clear chances when we have the ball in play and for the money we could have found someone younger who does that better.

I also think a number 10 is a bit old fashioned maybe, and that 3 in the middle could help us control games better. Plus silva has generally played with 3 in the middle I think although cleverly was like an advanced CM with two box to box players either side of him.

I dunno, it’s a hard one.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: cantoffee on November 04, 2018, 08:01:28 PM
I am a critic but I'd say I'm definitely conflicted on Sig. In the form of his life at the moment and if we are going to play a number 10 then there's few players you'd take over him, even less in this form.

I think my issue is (beyond money and contract size and the purchase in general) that I'm not sure he was ever quite right for us. The problem I think we had and still have a bit is making clear chances when we have the ball in play and for the money we could have found someone younger who does that better.

I also think a number 10 is a bit old fashioned maybe, and that 3 in the middle could help us control games better. Plus silva has generally played with 3 in the middle I think although cleverly was like an advanced CM with two box to box players either side of him.

I dunno, it's a hard one.
We created plenty yesterday though but were very wasteful. On another day we'd have scored 5.

Sig has been excellent this year and I can't see how he could be dropped. He brings an x factor with his ability to score from distance and set piece delivery.

He seems to create one good chance a game which isnt great but probably good enough when combined with his pressing and work to win the ball high up the pitch.

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 04, 2018, 08:30:54 PM
The lungs on Sigurdsson to break for our first yesterday was brilliant.
Fully love our Viking and would play him whenever possible.

However, there are a few games where our formation may be best setting up with a body further back than he excels in.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 09:18:25 PM
I know it’s not an easy argument to make, and yeah he’s been very good, long may it continue. But yeah sometimes we might do with a change.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
As the squad improves it should be easier to be a rest instead of a drop, Sigurdsson is playing well but he is a horse for a coarse type player and against some teams where space will be limited we will look to other options, that should be just normal rotation really.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 04, 2018, 09:40:27 PM
While he's scoring goals and creating chances most games he's undroppable. Whether he's ripe for a rest or a sitting out a game for tactical reasons is a different matter but so far Silva seems to not favour tinkering for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on November 04, 2018, 10:03:23 PM
Silva has pretty much made up his mind, outward bound -

Niasse (Jan)
Tosun (Jan)
Schneiderlin (Jan)
Lookman (Jan)
Dowell (Jan)

Holgate, Kenny and McCarthy - uncertain

Stek, Jags and Bainsey - end of season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 10:05:52 PM
Silva has pretty much made up his mind, outward bound -

Niasse (Jan)
Tosun (Jan)
Schneiderlin (Jan)
Lookman (Jan)
Dowell (Jan)

Holgate, Kenny and McCarthy - uncertain

Stek, Jags and Bainsey - end of season
This from the horses mouth?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on November 04, 2018, 10:08:22 PM
No

Prediction
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 04, 2018, 10:16:08 PM
I think Lookman and Tosun are uncertain as well.

January is too tight to be offloading en masse.
Can deffo see deals sending out the other 3 though
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 10:20:29 PM
No

Prediction
Well with the quality of the inward last window, would be hard to argue whatever they decide..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 04, 2018, 10:29:08 PM
Now that we’ve had a chance to see what Silva is about, it’s mad to think that, having failed to get him last year, Moshiri’s backup plan was Allardyce.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on November 04, 2018, 10:31:47 PM
I trust completely Marco and Marcel ...one window and the miracles work already . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2018, 12:17:51 AM
Now that we’ve had a chance to see what Silva is about, it’s mad to think that, having failed to get him last year, Moshiri’s backup plan was Allardyce.

Wasn’t back up as in like for like.

He wanted Silva but having not been able to get him, he went for guaranteed safety while he waited for him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 05, 2018, 12:30:45 AM
Wasn’t back up as in like for like.

He wanted Silva but having not been able to get him, he went for guaranteed safety while he waited for him.

You reckon it was always a short term hire?

Didn’t feel like that at the time. I guess we’ll never know.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on November 05, 2018, 12:33:18 AM
Guaranteed it wasn't long term

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 12:47:18 AM
Guaranteed it wasn't long term



So we just gave him the extra year of his contract as a bonus then?

Or should that be an added bonus on top of his £2m bonus for recusing us from 11th that is.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 05, 2018, 01:31:34 AM
So we just gave him the extra year of his contract as a bonus then?

Or should that be an added bonus on top of his £2m bonus for recusing us from 11th that is.

He was a major panic buy so had us by the short and curlies. I think that's why he kept saying things like "planning for next season" as a way of winding the fans up and letting Moshiri know that was the deal and to break it he wants paying out. Utter twat and a stain on this club for sure. Better times ahead is all I can focus on now.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on November 05, 2018, 01:56:04 AM
No

Prediction
Can't see him letting Tosun or Lookman going unless we get replacements in.

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on November 05, 2018, 02:00:36 AM
So we just gave him the extra year of his contract as a bonus then?

Or should that be an added bonus on top of his £2m bonus for recusing us from 11th that is.

We offered him a 6 month contract as soon as we couldn't get Marco. He refused and said he wanted 18 months. We shopped around for a but then went back for him and offered him the 18 months. It definitely wasn't a long term plan, he knew it and wanted the extra pay off in the summer. Hard to blame him to be fair.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 02:18:25 AM
He was a major panic buy so had us by the short and curlies. I think that's why he kept saying things like "planning for next season" as a way of winding the fans up and letting Moshiri know that was the deal and to break it he wants paying out. Utter twat and a stain on this club for sure. Better times ahead is all I can focus on now.

Not a great idea sacking somebody without having a replacement lined up nevermind alternatives. There’s a World of difference between Silva and Allardyce and plenty of other options in between.

What would have happened if Watford hadn’t have sacked Silva?

We offered him a 6 month contract as soon as we couldn't get Marco. He refused and said he wanted 18 months. We shopped around for a but then went back for him and offered him the 18 months. It definitely wasn't a long term plan, he knew it and wanted the extra pay off in the summer. Hard to blame him to be fair.

Are you really suggesting there was nobody else between Allardyce and Silva?

If he was such a short term strategy and given the money he’s been paid and paid off with Moshiri made him the highest paid football manager in the world for 6 months work.

It’s mind blowing madness especially considering we were and are still paying Koeman.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Risky on November 05, 2018, 02:31:11 AM
Not a great idea sacking somebody without having a replacement lined up nevermind alternatives. There’s a World of difference between Silva and Allardyce and plenty of other options in between.

What would have happened if Watford hadn’t have sacked Silva?

Are you really suggesting there was nobody else between Allardyce and Silva?

If he was such a short term strategy and given the money he’s been paid and paid off with Moshiri made him the highest paid football manager in the world for 6 months work.

It’s mind blowing madness especially considering we were and are still paying Koeman.



#moshiriout
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 02:33:37 AM
#moshiriout

No.

Better governance and take this serious otherwise we’ll end up in trouble.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2018, 02:44:34 AM
Not a great idea sacking somebody without having a replacement lined up nevermind alternatives. There’s a World of difference between Silva and Allardyce and plenty of other options in between.

What would have happened if Watford hadn’t have sacked Silva?

Are you really suggesting there was nobody else between Allardyce and Silva?

If he was such a short term strategy and given the money he’s been paid and paid off with Moshiri made him the highest paid football manager in the world for 6 months work.

It’s mind blowing madness especially considering we were and are still paying Koeman.



I’m very critical of the club in general but I find it hard to even understand exactly what you are suggesting here, let alone believe it.

Club knew who they wanted, right or wrong, and someone was going to have to accept a short term contract, or take a shafting.

If there’s one man in football happy to take a wad of doh and not mind getting a big egg in the face for the honour it’s Sam.

It was a bit crude but frankly I think all sides played a blinder and got what they all wanted.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Risky on November 05, 2018, 02:50:16 AM
It's really obvious what happened with the benefit of hindsight.  They wanted Silva, couldn't get him and Allardyce had us by the balls as things deteriorated in the meantime.  There was no point in looking for another long term manager at this stage because they were clearly going to get Silva in the summer otherwise, his sacking was irrelevant.  Allardyce and his bloated contract was a necessary evil in the circumstances.

It wasn't pretty, and it certainly wasn't cheap.  But in the circumstances you can see how it ended up that way and you're missing the point somewhat if you're questioning why we didn't go for someone else instead of Allardyce once we couldn't get Silva.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 03:12:21 AM
I’m very critical of the club in general but I find it hard to even understand exactly what you are suggesting here, let alone believe it.

Club knew who they wanted, right or wrong, and someone was going to have to accept a short term contract, or take a shafting.

If there’s one man in football happy to take a wad of doh and not mind getting a big egg in the face for the honour it’s Sam.

It was a bit crude but frankly I think all sides played a blinder and got what they all wanted.

If Silva hadn’t have been sacked by Watford, who plainly didn’t want to deal with us after turning down a record compensation package, what was the alternative? Keep Allardyce for another year?

I’m happy Silvas here, I’ve always liked to see us playing attacking football the type his teams play. But I’m sure you’ll agree they’re polar opposites as manager and the idea we made him the highest paid manager in the world ever and then gave him £50m to spend for a six month job doesn’t fit for me. Looks like terrible planning whichever way you look at it, especially considering Silva doesn’t really fancy Tosun and Walcott pushing on like you’ve said yourself.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Risky on November 05, 2018, 03:41:09 AM
If Silva hadn’t have been sacked by Watford, who plainly didn’t want to deal with us after turning down a record compensation package, what was the alternative? Keep Allardyce for another year?

I’m happy Silvas here, I’ve always liked to see us playing attacking football the type his teams play. But I’m sure you’ll agree they’re polar opposites as manager and the idea we made him the highest paid manager in the world ever and then gave him £50m to spend for a six month job doesn’t fit for me. Looks like terrible planning whichever way you look at it, especially considering Silva doesn’t really fancy Tosun and Walcott pushing on like you’ve said yourself.

We would have got him in the summer.  Yes they played hardball mid-season but there's no way it wouldn't have happened in the summer if he'd continued to make it clear he wanted to leave.  We didn't get lucky that he was sacked, it was an irrelevance.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on November 05, 2018, 04:57:22 AM
Any news on the legal action or tribunal that Watford was harping on about, that’s all gone a bit silent
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on November 05, 2018, 12:52:05 PM
I’ve just watched Silva’s post match interview and ill tell you what, this guy grows on me every time I here him speak, we have a great manager and a great guy on board with us here and I’m fuckin loving it. this man is fantastic for our club, go on Marco lad
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 05, 2018, 08:55:02 PM
If Silva hadn’t have been sacked by Watford, who plainly didn’t want to deal with us after turning down a record compensation package, what was the alternative? Keep Allardyce for another year?

Didn't you bring up that "extra year" of Allardyce's contract as a reason it *wasn't* a 6-month hire to begin with?
And now you're using it as a ludicrous alternative that couldn't possibly happen.

Clearly, if Silva had not been fired when he was and was unable to extract himself from his contract during summer '18, then we would have started the season with Allardyce and waited it out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 10:55:11 PM
Didn't you bring up that "extra year" of Allardyce's contract as a reason it *wasn't* a 6-month hire to begin with?
And now you're using it as a ludicrous alternative that couldn't possibly happen.

Clearly, if Silva had not been fired when he was and was unable to extract himself from his contract during summer '18, then we would have started the season with Allardyce and waited it out.

How can you say keeping Allardyce for his full contract is a “ludicrous alternative and couldn’t possibly happen” and then in the next sentence say we’d have kept Allardyce for the following season?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 05, 2018, 11:00:14 PM
How can you say keeping Allardyce for his full contract is a “ludicrous alternative and couldn’t possibly happen” and then in the next sentence say we’d have kept Allardyce for the following season?

You can't. I wasn't saying that, i was saying that you have said that and was pointing to how your contrary nature has tied your argument in knots:

So we just gave him the extra year of his contract as a bonus then?
Or should that be an added bonus on top of his £2m bonus for recusing us from 11th that is.
This is clearly arguing that Allardyce was given a contract that was legit and intended for it's full term. It is clear that you were disagreeing with @BlueForYou (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6069) 's suggestion it wasn't a long term solution.

Whereas here:
If Silva hadn’t have been sacked by Watford, who plainly didn’t want to deal with us after turning down a record compensation package, what was the alternative? Keep Allardyce for another year?
You are disagreeing in a manner that suggests you feel keeping Allardyce on for another year is ludicrous.

It can't be both ways.
Moshiri, however, did know what he was doing, and covered his bases with Allardyce.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 05, 2018, 11:17:39 PM
You can't. I wasn't saying that, i was saying that you have said that and was pointing to how your contrary nature has tied your argument in knots:
This is clearly arguing that Allardyce was given a contract that was legit and intended for it's full term. It is clear that you were disagreeing with @BlueForYou (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6069) 's suggestion it wasn't a long term solution.

Whereas here:You are disagreeing in a manner that suggests you feel keeping Allardyce on for another year is ludicrous.

It can't be both ways.
Moshiri, however, did know what he was doing, and covered his bases with Allardyce.

He just says things to wind people up, best ignore him really.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 11:23:41 PM
You can't. I wasn't saying that, i was saying that you have said that and was pointing to how your contrary nature has tied your argument in knots:
This is clearly arguing that Allardyce was given a contract that was legit and intended for it's full term. It is clear that you were disagreeing with @BlueForYou (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6069) 's suggestion it wasn't a long term solution.

Whereas here:You are disagreeing in a manner that suggests you feel keeping Allardyce on for another year is ludicrous.

It can't be both ways.
Moshiri, however, did know what he was doing, and covered his bases with Allardyce.

I’m not disagreeing with anything there Mick I’m asking a question.

I refuse to believe that any sane person would give Allardyce £6m just for the hell of it. Circumstances changed when Silva got the sack obviously and they made new plans according. But to tie him down to a deal knowing you’d no intention of him seeing that out and it’d cost you a significant amount of money to terminate would be sheer madness.

If we couldn’t have got Silva in this summer do you or don’t you think Allardyce would still be our manager?





Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2018, 11:39:52 PM
Obviously not
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 05, 2018, 11:40:02 PM
Allardyce would have been our manager until Silva was available. That was always plan A, from the moment we approached Allardyce at least.

No way of telling if it would be summer 18 or summer 19. So the 18 month contract covered both those bases
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on November 06, 2018, 12:15:44 AM
Can we now stop sullying this thread with talk of the dark days of the unmentionable rotund one before Silva and Brands dragged us kicking and screaming to become a team again .

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 06, 2018, 12:16:55 AM
I don't think I could have managed another season with that prick in charge... Hated his narcissistic manner.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 07, 2018, 01:46:41 AM
How far do we think we are off challenging for the top 4 ? And where do we need to strengthen to make it happen ?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on November 07, 2018, 01:52:16 AM
How far do we think we are off challenging for the top 4 ? And where do we need to strengthen to make it happen ?
A result at Chelsea then another home win against Cardiff would really set up our season, care to dream with the away trip across the park for another win and it’s on for this season, just Spurs and Man City away after that and you could argue that the spade work has been done, two new signings in January to further strengthen the first team ( not the squad) and we will start to be noticed.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2018, 02:03:12 AM
How far do we think we are off challenging for the top 4 ? And where do we need to strengthen to make it happen ?

About another 150-200m per year in wages and maybe 4 more champions league level players.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 07, 2018, 03:20:13 AM
About another 150-200m per year in wages and maybe 4 more champions league level players.

Depends what you mean by Challenging really.

Even with our current squad we’re capable of it in a freak run of form a la Leicester winning the league or to a lesser extent us finishing 4th under Moyes.

You’re right though, to regularly compete we’re miles off yet.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 07, 2018, 03:26:10 AM
About another 150-200m per year in wages and maybe 4 more champions league level players.
Positions for the 4?

From memory were we not only around 20-30m a year in wages less than spurs ?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 07, 2018, 05:54:03 AM
How far do we think we are off challenging for the top 4 ? And where do we need to strengthen to make it happen ?
Honesty a striker and a stronger mentality in big games.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2018, 06:20:15 AM
Positions for the 4?

From memory were we not only around 20-30m a year in wages less than spurs ?

Yeah we’re probably about £30 off spurs, about £100 odd off Liverpool.

But we’re starting from much further back than any of them, and making a jump of even 30-40m is going to take a few summers. In that time I’m sure all of those above are going to be trying actively to improve, not to mention inflation.

I think we’re lightyears away. Closer to the rest of the league than we are the top 4. Let’s try and make that step first.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2018, 03:00:08 PM
Yeah we’re probably about £30 off spurs, about £100 odd off Liverpool.

But we’re starting from much further back than any of them, and making a jump of even 30-40m is going to take a few summers. In that time I’m sure all of those above are going to be trying actively to improve, not to mention inflation.

I think we’re lightyears away. Closer to the rest of the league than we are the top 4. Let’s try and make that step first.

For the first time since the first year of Martinez you can see we're moving towards that goal now though. First stage is to cement 7th as a given and then try and make up the gap to the top 6. With the quality we now have and the structure we have in place you'd be massively disappointed if the first objective doesn't happen this season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2018, 03:38:48 PM
Personally think 6th is gettable. Not remotely convinced by Man U's turnaround. Another meltdown is imminent with Juve away and City to come, and then Arsenal and Liverpool to play not long after.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2018, 03:47:15 PM
Personally think 6th is gettable. Not remotely convinced by Man U's turnaround. Another meltdown is imminent with Juve away and City to come, and then Arsenal and Liverpool to play not long after.

I tend to agree however if Mourinho does go and another manager comes it to revitalise the club and take the shackles off the good players they have then they could turn things around reasonably quickly. With the talent they have they could swat aside the majority of teams in this league with ease, especially if they loosen the purse strings in January.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
I tend to agree however if Mourinho does go and another manager comes it to revitalise the club and take the shackles off the good players they have then they could turn things around reasonably quickly. With the talent they have they could swat aside the majority of teams in this league with ease, especially if they loosen the purse strings in January.

I think Mourinho's meltdown will be long, drawn out and messy. He'll keep picking up odd results, just enough to keep him in the job, but lose enough games to give the likes of us a shot at 6th. Woodward's not decisive enough to bin him off and make a fresh start. He'll just let things drift imo.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2018, 03:52:38 PM
I think Mourinho's meltdown will be long, drawn out and messy. He'll keep picking up odd results, just enough to keep him in the job, but lose enough games to give the likes of us a shot at 6th. Woodward's not decisive enough to bin him off and make a fresh start. He'll just let things drift imo.

We can but hope.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2018, 04:09:03 PM
Heading in the right direction definitely, but missing depth of talent, level of talent, stylistically we play like a mid table side but I’d imagine that will come with better talent distribution and of although we’ve started to address the age curve we will be thinking about where we want to be 2, 3, 4, 5 years from now.

I personally think the biggest issue is that our growth needs to be predatory - at the expense of another team, 2 teams can’t get 6th, 2 teams can’t get 5th, two teams can’t get 4th. Someone has to lose out.

In terms of structure, revenue, talent distribution and perception, everyone above is is fairly entrenched and there doesn’t seem an immediate predatory position to take.

Spurs maybe when poch goes, but if we are thinking Branley Moore will propell us, what will a bigger stadium in the middle of London do to a team already richer and better?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 07, 2018, 04:10:04 PM
Positions for the 4?

From memory were we not only around 20-30m a year in wages less than spurs ?

The same Spurs that won't spend big?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
Positions for the 4?

From memory were we not only around 20-30m a year in wages less than spurs ?

Not that straight forward I don’t think. By the time we get 2 more I imagine we’d have lost richarlison and Gylfi, Coleman and Walcott will all be very post peak.

It’s more a case of - you need cl level talent distribution balances out across your side. And to really be up there you need superstars on the pitch and superstars on the bench.

One of our biggest issues is we have to start making revenue off players soon because moshiri isn’t limitless, but we also need to build a side with CL talent front to back that in 2-5 years can win something or get top 4.

Brands will be all over it, which is why he’s buying players like richarlison who are 21 and superstar potential rather than Walcott who is 29 and already a faded force not good enough for the next level.

‘Better than what we have’ is no longer an acceptable or sustainable strategy for us, that’s clear.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2018, 04:50:30 PM
We were there a few years ago so it can be done. We had three players in Lukaku, Barkley and Stones who were young talent who others coveted down the spine of the team. We brought in £150m+ for the three of them (should have been more had the Barkley situation been handled better) but blew the chance to replace them with another three off the production line.

I agree Brands will be all over it. In fact he'll probably be looking for the next Gomes so we don't have to pay £30m+ for him, similarly with Zouma and maybe pick up a few other unloved diamonds in the summer to rinse and repeat. We're going to have to be creative to close the gap and for every Lukaku there will be a few Deulofeu's but at least under Silva and Brands we'll be trying to do it the right way, it would appear.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: arteta4spain on November 07, 2018, 05:30:10 PM
I think the problem, which were probably aware of, is that we’re trying to play catch up by some distance. If Moshiri has come in say around the time we were constantly competing for the europa I think we’d have had a chance to really push on. As much as he’s going to hopefully take us that next level, it’s gonna be difficult but hopefully with M&M we should be there or thereabouts :-)
Quietly optimistic but i was when Martinez was doing well in his first season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2018, 06:15:37 PM
I really think just concentrate on sorting balance and age curve, get he quality above the rest of the league and reduce the amount of variance between our seasons (get back to mid 50 to 60 point seasons) and from that base you can try and have the odd one or two good seasons and with that revenue plough into a superstar to take you next level.

my personal opinion is - the investment came too late and we’ve missed the boat. Those above are entrenched and not going anywhere soon and have way better revenue streams in all senses so there’s not really a chance for us (other than on pitch miracles and force multipliers like richarlison say becoming the best attacker in the league ala Bale / Kane)

the best we can hope for us to solidify that 7th position and start getting 60+ points a season - even that will be a MASSIVE task. From there we have a better, punchers chance of sneaking in one year if someone fluffs their lines big time which happens occasionally.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on November 07, 2018, 06:49:36 PM
We were there a few years ago so it can be done. We had three players in Lukaku, Barkley and Stones who were young talent who others coveted down the spine of the team. We brought in £150m+ for the three of them (should have been more had the Barkley situation been handled better) but blew the chance to replace them with another three off the production line.

I agree Brands will be all over it. In fact he'll probably be looking for the next Gomes so we don't have to pay £30m+ for him, similarly with Zouma and maybe pick up a few other unloved diamonds in the summer to rinse and repeat. We're going to have to be creative to close the gap and for every Lukaku there will be a few Deulofeu's but at least under Silva and Brands we'll be trying to do it the right way, it would appear.

Brands was at Wembley last night, watching the PSV game. Hopefully still after Lozano.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 07, 2018, 07:15:45 PM
Brands was at Wembley last night, watching the PSV game. Hopefully still after Lozano.
How did he play out of interest. ?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2018, 07:22:28 PM
Brands was at Wembley last night, watching the PSV game. Hopefully still after Lozano.

Probly just meeting up with mates and colleagues that he worked with for 8 years, in fairness.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on November 07, 2018, 09:52:54 PM
Probly just meeting up with mates and colleagues that he worked with for 8 years, in fairness.

Shhhh let us dream will you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on November 07, 2018, 09:55:14 PM
How did he play out of interest. ?

I didn't see much of the game. Echo reported he was quiet in first half but made more of an impact stretching Spurs in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 07, 2018, 11:48:10 PM
I really think just concentrate on sorting balance and age curve, get he quality above the rest of the league and reduce the amount of variance between our seasons (get back to mid 50 to 60 point seasons) and from that base you can try and have the odd one or two good seasons and with that revenue plough into a superstar to take you next level.

my personal opinion is - the investment came too late and we’ve missed the boat. Those above are entrenched and not going anywhere soon and have way better revenue streams in all senses so there’s not really a chance for us (other than on pitch miracles and force multipliers like richarlison say becoming the best attacker in the league ala Bale / Kane)

the best we can hope for us to solidify that 7th position and start getting 60+ points a season - even that will be a MASSIVE task. From there we have a better, punchers chance of sneaking in one year if someone fluffs their lines big time which happens occasionally.
Totally agree ref us being unlucky with when we came into money but I suppose we need to be clever on the market to bridge any gaps.

The reason why I posted querying how far people thought we were behind challenging for the top 4 is that I was looking at the Arsenal  and Utd starting 11s at the weekend and ON PAPER neither felt uncatchable tbh and these teams would be expected to challenge for the top 4 although may  fall short of course.

Our 11:
Pickford
Coleman
Keane
Zouma
Digne
Gomes
Gana
Walcock
Sig
Bernard
Richarlison

Ars:
Leno
Mustafi
Bellerin
Kolasinac
Holding
Ozil
Torrera
Xhaka
Mik
Oba
Laca
 
Utd:
De gea
Young
Lindelof
Smalling
Shaw
Fred
Mata
Martial
Pogba
Matic
Sanchez

I'm probably falling into the trap of overating our players and underating other teams but it  doesn't feel insurmountable with a couple of good signings.

I know a big name, big money forward is priority and if I'm honest that is really where I felt we lost the games against both of these recently when we were by no means outclassed.

I'm looking forward to the Chelsea game to see how far we 've really come as historically we always get bummed there.



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2018, 07:20:17 PM
I’d have Cairney at Everton you know
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on November 11, 2018, 07:20:38 PM
I’d have Cairney at Everton you know

Good player but see Tom Cleverley
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on November 11, 2018, 07:21:50 PM
I’d have Cairney at Everton you know

Alright Steve Walsh.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 11, 2018, 07:22:16 PM
I’d have Cairney at Everton you know

Why?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2018, 07:27:44 PM
Because he’s a good player?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on November 11, 2018, 07:28:30 PM
Because he’s a good player?

Good enough for Everton?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 11, 2018, 07:29:40 PM
Because he’s a good player?

'Good' or 'better than we have' isn't enough, as you were saying the other day.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2018, 07:39:05 PM
'Good' or 'better than we have' isn't enough, as you were saying the other day.

Ah fair enough. Not sure how good a player he is exactly I guess but he’s a good player. Should get picked up if they go down.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 11, 2018, 07:49:12 PM
I’m still not sure what Silva is looking for in a number 9.

We’ve been linked with all sorts of players, and not really any consistency in the type between them.

Is he looking for a modern target man like Giroud/Mitrovic, a smaller tricky player like Aguero/Firmino or a pace merchant like Aubameyang/Wilson?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 11, 2018, 11:43:33 PM
Things are looking a lot more positive at the moment and the Silva/Brands combo must take a massive amount of credit.

Some good home wins followed by 3 good away performances against some of the best teams in league have really got my pecker up and for the first time in ages teams really won't want to play us. Bravo!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 12, 2018, 02:54:54 AM
Feels like ages since we've had an away game against a side not in the top 6.

Now we're looking more and more comfortable with Silvas style I cant wait for some away games against the lesser sides.

Should hopefully pick up a lot more points on the road this season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 12, 2018, 02:59:14 AM
Feels like ages since we've had an away game against a side not in the top 6.

Now we're looking more and more comfortable with Silvas style I cant wait for some away games against the lesser sides.

Should hopefully pick up a lot more points on the road this season.

Plus, Bournemouth based on season to date wasn’t an easy game (nor Wolves and Leicester).

Looking at it, early teething problems with defensive set up from set pieces has stopped us being right up there.

Looked like scoring in every away game so far too.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 12, 2018, 03:00:09 AM
Plus, Bournemouth based on season to date wasn’t an easy game (nor Wolves and Leicester).

Looking at it, early teething problems with defensive set up from set pieces has stopped us being right up there.

Looked like scoring in every away game so far too.

Yeah. Not really played anyone actually shit away from home yet.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2018, 03:00:43 AM
Think Wolves, West Ham and Leicester will all be in the mix for 7th. Have to say Bournemouth have been good as well.

If he can seal that 7th place and give 6th a bit of a long hard look, continuing along the lines we’ve seen on the pitch then I’d say this was a good year.

Give me another Richarlison and a few Dignes next summer and we are cooking with gas.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 12, 2018, 03:03:38 AM
Think Wolves, West Ham and Leicester will all be in the mix for 7th. Have to say Bournemouth have been good as well.

If he can seal that 7th place and give 6th a bit of a long hard look, continuing along the lines we’ve seen on the pitch then I’d say this was a good year.

Give me another Richarlison and a few Dignes next summer and we are cooking with gas.
You know what I m not sure if I'm caught in the moment but I think sack of tosun in Jan and buy a top class forward and we maybe could attack 5th or 6th.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2018, 03:06:23 AM
Marco set up perfect against Chelsea today ....everyone knew exactly what they were doing ,even the subs .

We are now without a doubt a TEAM again .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: arteta4spain on November 12, 2018, 03:11:43 AM
You know what I m not sure if I'm caught in the moment but I think sack of tosun in Jan and buy a top class forward and we maybe could attack 5th or 6th.
Deffo game for that. I don’t think Silva rates him hence bringing on dcl today and always using Richarlison up too rather than on the wing. Haven’t a clue who to go for tho. Be interesting to see where we’re at come Jan.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2018, 03:34:14 AM
Yes getting harder to see Tosun’s way back isn’t it. Shame because he seems sound he just hasn’t blown anyone away.

Richarlison doing OK up top still, think an upgrade in CM could still be the biggest step forward we take. A top RB to fill the position for the next 5-6 years would be good, and of course a real thoroughbred goal scorer is welcome at any club, but similar to someone above - I’ve no idea what sort of striker he’d want for this side.

Or what we’ll do with the left hand side with Richarlison, Lookman and Bernard all making a case for it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on November 12, 2018, 03:57:24 AM
The No9 position is a hard one.  They need to be a physical presence to be able to work defenders and hold the ball up, quick so they can close down and break, and an absolute machine so they can keep running for 90 minutes.

Like a stronger Firminho maybe?

Richarlison ticks the most boxes, but DCL is on the way there.  Tosun lacks the speed and engine really, which is a shame as he looks a good traditional No9.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 12, 2018, 04:09:17 AM
The No9 position is a hard one.  They need to be a physical presence to be able to work defenders and hold the ball up, quick so they can close down and break, and an absolute machine so they can keep running for 90 minutes.

Like a stronger Firminho maybe?

Richarlison ticks the most boxes, but DCL is on the way there.  Tosun lacks the speed and engine really, which is a shame as he looks a good traditional No9.

Seems like DCL has everything except the goals
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2018, 04:25:55 AM
Seems like DCL has everything except the goals

Wouldn’t have forgiven him if Chelsea had notched a late winner from that free kick though.

No idea what he was doing heading back infield instead of bearing down on the corner flag with 60 seconds left on the clock.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on November 12, 2018, 05:23:00 AM
I think we might defer our transfer dealings until the summer, the squad we have are good enough to finish 7th so more money in the kitty for the summer window. Expecting a quiet January
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: oztoffee on November 12, 2018, 12:00:28 PM
I think we might defer our transfer dealings until the summer, the squad we have are good enough to finish 7th so more money in the kitty for the summer window. Expecting a quiet January
Never say die.......if all goes according to the fates, we'll get the 3 points from Cardiff next outing while I reckon The Arse are a good candidate for a point from Bournemouth and we'll be 6th.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 12, 2018, 01:41:28 PM
Moshiri said we wouldn't be spending in Jan and wants to bed in the youngsters.

But I think replacements for Tosun & Walcott are now top of our priority list.
Jury is still out on Gomes, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have another option in the middle. (Both a defensive & and offensive one really. Gana, Davies & Gomes for 2 positions is insufficient i feel. Especially if we grab a Europa spot)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on November 12, 2018, 01:46:59 PM
No idea what he was doing heading back infield instead of bearing down on the corner flag with 60 seconds left on the clock.

Trying to win. Something we've been demanding, in vein, for years.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2018, 01:48:21 PM
Trying to win. Something we've been demanding, in vein, for years.

He was on his own against three defenders. It was immaturity but thankfully it didn’t cost us.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on November 12, 2018, 01:50:04 PM
He was on his own against three defenders. It was immaturity but thankfully it didn’t cost us.

I know, kind of nice to see we were still going for it though.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2018, 01:54:52 PM
Moshiri said we wouldn't be spending in Jan and wants to bed in the youngsters.

But I think replacements for Tosun & Walcott are now top of our priority list.
Jury is still out on Gomes, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have another option in the middle. (Both a defensive & and offensive one really. Gana, Davies & Gomes for 2 positions is insufficient i feel. Especially if we grab a Europa spot)

Yeah can understand him in that we’ve spent and we want to take stock and let the dust settle, but if there are deals there for the right players then we should never say never.

Don’t think Jan is the vital time to make the changes because I don’t think there’s a great deal we can do this year, but yeah centre mid, right wing (unless, Lookman..) and up top all need reinforcements.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2018, 02:02:01 PM
Moshiri said we wouldn't be spending in Jan and wants to bed in the youngsters.

But I think replacements for Tosun & Walcott are now top of our priority list.
Jury is still out on Gomes, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have another option in the middle. (Both a defensive & and offensive one really. Gana, Davies & Gomes for 2 positions is insufficient i feel. Especially if we grab a Europa spot)

I think Moshiri is just being a little more circumspect now.

If Brands came to him with a great deal I’m sure he’d look at it, he’s just not telling the world money isn’t an object anymore.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on November 12, 2018, 02:06:25 PM
We don't need to spend in January anyway, you'd would hope we will be on the phone to Barca and Chelsea to try to tie up permanent deals for Gomes and Zouma
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: bluenuck on November 12, 2018, 02:17:59 PM
Moshiri said we wouldn't be spending in Jan and wants to bed in the youngsters.

But I think replacements for Tosun & Walcott are now top of our priority list.
Jury is still out on Gomes, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have another option in the middle. (Both a defensive & and offensive one really. Gana, Davies & Gomes for 2 positions is insufficient i feel. Especially if we grab a Europa spot)

I think if a player at the top of our list in those positions is available and wants to come here it will happen.

But I don’t see brands pulling the trigger I’m january on a player that’s 3rd or 4th down the list. He’ll wait till next summer.

Tosun, Walcott, and our mid field is fine for the rest of this season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on November 12, 2018, 02:21:46 PM
We don't need to spend in January anyway, you'd would hope we will be on the phone to Barca and Chelsea to try to tie up permanent deals for Gomes and Zouma

Gomes and Zouma are not available to buy apparently (well, according to the Echo anyway). Christensen may well be on his way out at Chelsea though, so he would be a target. If we cannot tempt Barca to sell Gomes / loan us again, then I would imagine Brands will have identified a target who is like for like and available.

I wouldn't be adverse to letting Walcott go either; remnant of the old regime sadly (though this is not his fault). Expensive and older. Lozano would be an ideal upgrade for the new, younger Everton.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on November 12, 2018, 02:23:25 PM
Gomes and Zouma are not available to buy apparently (well, according to the Echo anyway). Christensen may well be on his way out at Chelsea though, so he would be a target. If we cannot tempt Barca to sell Gomes / loan us again, then I would imagine Brands will have identified a target who is like for like and available.

I wouldn't be adverse to letting Walcott go either; remnant of the old regime sadly (though this is not his fault). Expensive and older. Lozano would be an ideal upgrade for the new, younger Everton.

Did you hear that huge thud then? That was the sound of my heart breaking
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on November 12, 2018, 02:27:19 PM
Gomes is. Barca spent the entire summer trying to flog him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on November 12, 2018, 02:36:52 PM
Gomes is. Barca spent the entire summer trying to flog him.

He has an £80m release clause, I reckon we will sort a deal out if he continues as he is doing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2018, 02:37:27 PM
Why would Chelsea sell Zouma if he carries on his current trajectory back to decent form? He’s save them a fortune, especially as Christiansen is so out of favour and on his way out.

Brands will be looking for the next bit of unloved quality. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on November 12, 2018, 02:48:59 PM
Why would Chelsea sell Zouma if he carries on his current trajectory back to decent form? He's save them a fortune, especially as Christiansen is so out of favour and on his way out.

Brands will be looking for the next bit of unloved quality.
Zuma might just be on board with Silva’s strategies and prefer a permanent move and may well try to force the agenda, he seems happy here and in my opinion he’d be mad to go back there if he could be first choice here and playing every week, of course that’s assuming he wants to stay
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 12, 2018, 02:50:46 PM
I like the way he still says 'de' instead of 'of' in the middle of otherwise English sentences. It's endearing in a platonic way.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on November 12, 2018, 03:34:40 PM
I like the way he still says 'de' instead of 'of' in the middle of otherwise English sentences. It's endearing in a platonic way.

Yeah, I’ve noticed this.

He comes across as a really sweet and genuine dude. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2018, 04:36:09 PM
He has an £80m release clause, I reckon we will sort a deal out if he continues as he is doing.

Wouldn’t pay half that tbh
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 12, 2018, 04:47:45 PM
Zuma might just be on board with Silva’s strategies and prefer a permanent move and may well try to force the agenda, he seems happy here and in my opinion he’d be mad to go back there if he could be first choice here and playing every week, of course that’s assuming he wants to stay

Its Zouma.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on November 12, 2018, 04:59:02 PM
He was on his own against three defenders. It was immaturity but thankfully it didn’t cost us.

The exuberance of youth. While you are right in that it could've cost us it was also, to me, pleasing to see that we are going to go for it. The best teams in any sport never settle for anything other than going for it. We're not there yet but that mentality is one that wil grow the more successful we become. I always think of Japan v SA at the last Rugby World Cup. Losing by three points they get a penalty last play of the game in front of the posts. Nobody gave them a chance of being within 30 points of SA. Instead of going for the draw they went for the lineout, scored the try and created the greatest  result in Japanese rugby history - maybe even in their sporting history. Be bold.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 12, 2018, 05:13:26 PM
The exuberance of youth. While you are right in that it could've cost us it was also, to me, pleasing to see that we are going to go for it. The best teams in any sport never settle for anything other than going for it. We're not there yet but that mentality is one that wil grow the more successful we become. I always think of Japan v SA at the last Rugby World Cup. Losing by three points they get a penalty last play of the game in front of the posts. Nobody gave them a chance of being within 30 points of SA. Instead of going for the draw they went for the lineout, scored the try and created the greatest  result in Japanese rugby history - maybe even in their sporting history. Be bold.

God, I didn't come down from the roof for ages after that. Fuck me.
I tend not to care about sport other than Everton and England in Union.
But that day, Jesus, I'd have got a rising sun tattoo I was so proud of them.
Pure, unadulterated drama. Everything sport should be that day. Fuck your money. Fuck your stats. Fuck counting points and doing sums.
Win the game you're playing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on November 12, 2018, 06:00:02 PM
God, I didn't come down from the roof for ages after that. Fuck me.
I tend not to care about sport other than Everton and England in Union.
But that day, Jesus, I'd have got a rising sun tattoo I was so proud of them.
Pure, unadulterated drama. Everything sport should be that day. Fuck your money. Fuck your stats. Fuck counting points and doing sums.
Win the game you're playing.

Phenomenal game and the reason why we play/support - for moments like that. I'd rather die a lion than live like a lamb
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2018, 06:44:17 PM
Can’t see why Zouma would come here if Mina and Keane do well.

We’re in a privileged position at the moment which is something I never thought would happen with Keane.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Confucius on November 12, 2018, 11:39:18 PM
The exuberance of youth. While you are right in that it could've cost us it was also, to me, pleasing to see that we are going to go for it. The best teams in any sport never settle for anything other than going for it. We're not there yet but that mentality is one that wil grow the more successful we become. I always think of Japan v SA at the last Rugby World Cup. Losing by three points they get a penalty last play of the game in front of the posts. Nobody gave them a chance of being within 30 points of SA. Instead of going for the draw they went for the lineout, scored the try and created the greatest  result in Japanese rugby history - maybe even in their sporting history. Be bold.

You just had to summon me didn’t you? Top trolling!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on November 13, 2018, 12:00:25 AM
You just had to summon me didn’t you? Top trolling!

Hahahaha just using it as an example buddy
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 19, 2018, 04:05:37 AM
Saw this posted earlier about the season so far.

Despite all the improvements compared to last year, the stats across the season as a whole suggest that we’re very much middle of the pack if you look at expected goals for and against.

It’s nice to have a good feeling around here again but we’ve still a ways to go yet.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 19, 2018, 04:11:57 AM
Saw this posted earlier about the season so far.

Despite all the improvements compared to last year, the stats across the season as a whole suggest that we’re very much middle of the pack if you look at expected goals for and against.

It’s nice to have a good feeling around here again but we’ve still a ways to go yet.

Fuck me, I'm assuming City aren't on there because they are so farr ahead of everybody else and off the grid?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 19, 2018, 04:18:40 AM
Fuck me, I'm assuming City aren't on there because they are so farr ahead of everybody else and off the grid?

Keep scrolling.

But basically yeah!

Worth bearing in mind our numbers are middle of the pack yes, but have been getting better!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cassius on November 19, 2018, 04:19:00 AM
Saw this posted earlier about the season so far.

Despite all the improvements compared to last year, the stats across the season as a whole suggest that we’re very much middle of the pack if you look at expected goals for and against.

It’s nice to have a good feeling around here again but we’ve still a ways to go yet.

I'm not massively acquainted with XG so I might be massively off with this post.

From my point of view, teams will score goals every season that wouldn't normally be 'expected'. They may also save certain goals through unexpected amazing defending. Not always the case for us, but you know what I mean.

These should still be accounted for in any statistical model. Perhaps XG does account for them and I just don't know the details. Or maybe that's the actual league table, which accounts for that scenario.

Either way, Silva has given the team confidence, which has resulted in play and attempts on goal that may be recorded against expectations. These may not have been attempted by the players under previous regimes.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 19, 2018, 04:21:24 AM
Keep scrolling.

But basically yeah!

Worth bearing in mind our numbers are middle of the pack yes, but have been getting better!

Ah yeah. True, you've got to think the likes of Bournemouth and Watford will dip though
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 19, 2018, 04:23:26 AM
I'm not massively acquainted with XG so I might be massively off with this post.

From my point of view, teams will score goals every season that wouldn't normally be 'expected'. They may also save certain goals through unexpected amazing defending. Not always the case for us, but you know what I mean.

These should still be accounted for in any statistical model. Perhaps XG does account for them and I just don't know the details. Or maybe that's the actual league table, which accounts for that scenario.

Either way, Silva has given the team confidence, which has resulted in play and attempts on goal that may be recorded against expectations. These may not have been attempted by the players under previous regimes.

Yes all teams will sometimes score goals they ‘shouldn't’ and also miss horrendous sitters - but everyone is in the same boat in that repspect so it doesn’t really matter.

It just takes thousands and thousands of shots historically and assigns touch points to them, then when you take a shot it lines it up against those touch points and says right out of 10 times (or whatever) how many of these have historically usually been a goal?

It stands to reason the best sides create the best chances and the worst sides allow the most dangerous chances against them, but xg is just a way quantifying your performance by quality of chance, and it’s a pretty good one on my opinion.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on November 19, 2018, 06:21:35 AM
I would be interested to see where we sit in such a metric over the last month or so ratger than the entire season.

It will possibly be the same but I think it's quite obvious that a gameplan is really starting to influence how the side plays.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 19, 2018, 09:06:40 AM
I would be interested to see where we sit in such a metric over the last month or so ratger than the entire season.

It will possibly be the same but I think it's quite obvious that a gameplan is really starting to influence how the side plays.

I’ve not seen anything for just the more recent games but if you think about watching us we do tend to give away some big chances against us every game so I expected the xGA to be bad.

The surprise for me initially was the xG as I felt like we’ve been playing well but there has been a few games where I’ve felt like we played well but when you look back at it we’ve not had any clear scoring opportunities.

Even if we stay where we are on that chart I’d expect us to finish 7th as xG doesn’t take into account the quality of the players getting the chances, which is where we’ll do better than the likes of Watford or Wolves.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 19, 2018, 01:59:22 PM
I’ve not seen anything for just the more recent games but if you think about watching us we do tend to give away some big chances against us every game so I expected the xGA to be bad.

The surprise for me initially was the xG as I felt like we’ve been playing well but there has been a few games where I’ve felt like we played well but when you look back at it we’ve not had any clear scoring opportunities.

Even if we stay where we are on that chart I’d expect us to finish 7th as xG doesn’t take into account the quality of the players getting the chances, which is where we’ll do better than the likes of Watford or Wolves.

Yeah we’ve been improving. About 10 pages / a month or two ago the Ram posted that we were about 15th in the xg league.

Our numbers are now reflecting our performances and results, which is positive.

There’s a nice form of graph, think it’s maybe called an xg plot which marks your XG/Xga across a timeline, and marks where manager changes occur.

I’ve been waiting for an update from the account that makes them but basically Koeman/Unsworth/Allardyce - there wasn’t much in it. A slight dip in chances conceded with Allardyce, but results improved quicker than performances. Would be interesting to see the plot with the first few moths of marco’s reign.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 19, 2018, 02:14:24 PM
What the fuck did people do with their time before Xg and other stats were invented?!

We're playing better football than last year, can't we leave it at that?  :)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 20, 2018, 12:28:04 AM
What the fuck did people do with their time before Xg and other stats were invented?!

We're playing better football than last year, can't we leave it at that?  :)

International breaks, anything is fair game!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 20, 2018, 02:27:27 AM
What the fuck did people do with their time before Xg and other stats were invented?!

We're playing better football than last year, can't we leave it at that?  :)
If we were playing twice as good a football as last year at the beginning of this season and playing one and a half times better than that the last 4 games, how many sweeties each should we have after the next game?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 20, 2018, 02:45:04 AM
Aye don’t worry about it lads
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 20, 2018, 03:11:36 AM
If we were playing twice as good a football as last year at the beginning of this season and playing one and a half times better than that the last 4 games, how many sweeties each should we have after the next game?

Moyes out??
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: bluenuck on November 20, 2018, 03:14:49 AM
I'm not massively acquainted with XG so I might be massively off with this post.

From my point of view, teams will score goals every season that wouldn't normally be 'expected'. They may also save certain goals through unexpected amazing defending. Not always the case for us, but you know what I mean.

These should still be accounted for in any statistical model. Perhaps XG does account for them and I just don't know the details. Or maybe that's the actual league table, which accounts for that scenario.

Either way, Silva has given the team confidence, which has resulted in play and attempts on goal that may be recorded against expectations. These may not have been attempted by the players under previous regimes.

There's gaping holes in a lot of these new analytical stats. Everyone wants to be the new Bill James in their respective sports so bad that their not seeing these holes.


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 20, 2018, 11:40:04 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/20/premier-league-numbers-run-furthest-missed-most-chances-12-games-statistics
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blue1948 on November 21, 2018, 12:30:36 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/20/premier-league-numbers-run-furthest-missed-most-chances-12-games-statistics
Not a single mention for the Blues ,OK they were shown in the graphs and charts but never named .Is that because we don't merit a mention or that we are just mid table and insignificant ? Or is it some other reason?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 21, 2018, 12:44:39 AM
Great stuff from @toffeeananalysis

https://toffeeanalysis.wordpress.com/2018/11/13/you-only-look-at-the-table-after-ten-games/
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 21, 2018, 12:48:39 AM
There's gaping holes in a lot of these new analytical stats. Everyone wants to be the new Bill James in their respective sports so bad that their not seeing these holes.




Sorry just to jump back to this - there are gaps, as there are in any quant work, you are trying to turn life and sport and art and beauty into numbers and extract meaningful learnings without blowing your brains out - however, there is a huge amount of work going into finding these gaps, and working on the models etc.

It’s unfair and frankly a bit daft to suggest they are ignored or not worth the paper they are printed on.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 21, 2018, 01:42:16 AM
I think there is a place or stats and figures but I think it is more beneficial in defensive positions. Ie a defensive midfielder can be judged on distance run, tackles and interceptions made over the course of a season which Gana for example will boss because he is boss.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: bluenuck on November 21, 2018, 02:47:31 AM
Sorry just to jump back to this - there are gaps, as there are in any quant work, you are trying to turn life and sport and art and beauty into numbers and extract meaningful learnings without blowing your brains out - however, there is a huge amount of work going into finding these gaps, and working on the models etc.

It’s unfair and frankly a bit daft to suggest they are ignored or not worth the paper they are printed on.

Sorry, my post did seem a bit daft. I wasn't meaning to suggest they are ignoring the holes and weren't working on them. And I think the more stats you can come up with the better. But basically It just seems to me a lot of these analytical guys are putting the cart before the horse in a lot of their work. It's not a race to see who invented it all.

I really don't see these types of stats working in any other team sport than baseball either as baseball is a very individual team sport. Meaning it doesn't really matter who you play with, what system you play in, etc. etc. It's all down to you when you're up to bat trying to hit that ball, or trying to catch the ball. You could put Mike Trout(best player in baseball) on the worst team and he'd have basically the same numbers. I don't think you could say that for any other sport.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 21, 2018, 04:25:44 AM
Sorry, my post did seem a bit daft. I wasn't meaning to suggest they are ignoring the holes and weren't working on them. And I think the more stats you can come up with the better. But basically It just seems to me a lot of these analytical guys are putting the cart before the horse in a lot of their work. It's not a race to see who invented it all.

I really don't see these types of stats working in any other team sport than baseball either as baseball is a very individual team sport. Meaning it doesn't really matter who you play with, what system you play in, etc. etc. It's all down to you when you're up to bat trying to hit that ball, or trying to catch the ball. You could put Mike Trout(best player in baseball) on the worst team and he'd have basically the same numbers. I don't think you could say that for any other sport.

I know what you mean, but the world has moved on from moneyball. It really, really has and I can tell you for a fact that teams are finding angles and making progress based on statistical work like this, and have been for a decade or more.

PSG are signed to Statsbomb. Liverpool have an advanced analytics department and use it heavily in scouting which is v.clearly paying off. City have been using it since Mancini and beyond. Almost every team in the top flight is, much like almost every shop you visit online or walk through the door is - what matters is the level of buy-in and joined up thinking across heads of departments.

Nobody is saying it runs football, but denying its value and importance at this point is starting to look like staring facts in the face imo.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on November 21, 2018, 06:51:13 AM
Sorry just to jump back to this - there are gaps, as there are in any quant work, you are trying to turn life and sport and art and beauty into numbers and extract meaningful learnings without blowing your brains out - however, there is a huge amount of work going into finding these gaps, and working on the models etc.

It’s unfair and frankly a bit daft to suggest they are ignored or not worth the paper they are printed on.



What's a quant work?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toddacelli on November 21, 2018, 11:56:22 AM


What's a quant work?

What's a wormdo?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 22, 2018, 02:24:26 AM
"To Mansini and beyond"...love it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 22, 2018, 02:30:28 AM
Soccernomics had a chapter on Moyes at Everton.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 24, 2018, 04:26:57 PM
Great stuff from @toffeeananalysis

https://toffeeanalysis.wordpress.com/2018/11/13/you-only-look-at-the-table-after-ten-games/

What I took from that is that Cardiff will score from a corner today
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on November 24, 2018, 04:58:38 PM
Soccernomics had a chapter on Moyes at Everton.

Oh really, what was the summary?

Watched Rio Ferdinand talking about him the other day, it was all very familiar.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 24, 2018, 07:43:11 PM
Oh really, what was the summary?

Watched Rio Ferdinand talking about him the other day, it was all very familiar.

That, similar to Allardyce, he was a fairly early adopter of analytics. Sprints etc.

Had a department set up to scout upcoming opponents, interestingly they pointed out he, or his team, would look for not the player that caused problems, but the player who would most often play the passes to the player who causes problems. I guess that kind of work now is called xgchain or xgbuildup? Not 100% familiar with it but it makes sense I guess.

You could say what we did to Jorginho isn’t a million miles away. Shut down the conductor kind of thing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on November 24, 2018, 07:57:18 PM
That, similar to Allardyce, he was a fairly early adopter of analytics. Sprints etc.

Had a department set up to scout upcoming opponents, interestingly they pointed out he, or his team, would look for not the player that caused problems, but the player who would most often play the passes to the player who causes problems. I guess that kind of work now is called xgchain or xgbuildup? Not 100% familiar with it but it makes sense I guess.

You could say what we did to Jorginho isn’t a million miles away. Shut down the conductor kind of thing.

Very interesting.

Makes a lot of our displays under him make more sense now.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on November 25, 2018, 02:36:37 AM
I was concerned after taking one point from Huddersfield and West Ham at home and especially the former who frustrated us.

Since then:

Everton 3-0 Fulham
Everton 2-0 Crystal Palace
Everton 3-1 Brighton
Everton 1-0 Cardiff

Those sort of results give us a great foundation and there’s no reason we can’t win our next two at home against Newcastle and Watford.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on November 25, 2018, 07:12:41 PM
Still want Kenny in for Coleman.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 25, 2018, 07:18:39 PM
We need to revamp the right hand side of the team over time.

When Gana drifts out to the right, and it ends up being a triangle of Coleman-Gana-Walcott, it looks fucking awful. Three players who play in straight lines, and have no subtlety to their game at all.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on November 25, 2018, 08:00:02 PM
Still want Kenny in for Coleman.



The right side in general is weird. Should work really well but is very hit and miss. I think it's clear Coleman is rated by Silva though, Same goes for Walcott
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2018, 08:06:59 PM
We need to revamp the right hand side of the team over time.

When Gana drifts out to the right, and it ends up being a triangle of Coleman-Gana-Walcott, it looks fucking awful. Three players who play in straight lines, and have no subtlety to their game at all.

*coughs politely*

The right side in general is weird. Should work really well but is very hit and miss. I think it's clear Coleman is rated by Silva though, Same goes for Walcott

It’s clear we don’t have a premier league level alternative, yes.

Disappointed Lookman still isn’t starting over Walcott but I can sooooort of understand it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on November 25, 2018, 08:09:54 PM
The right side in general is weird. Should work really well but is very hit and miss. I think it's clear Coleman is rated by Silva though, Same goes for Walcott

Yeah, just think with Kenny you have more quality in the final 3rd without having too much of a drop in quality defensively.

Coleman was very lucky not to give away another penalty yesterday.

Then again, Kenny can throw in a shocker every now and then.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on November 25, 2018, 08:16:22 PM
Yeah, just think with Kenny you have more quality in the final 3rd without having too much of a drop in quality defensively.

Coleman was very lucky not to give away another penalty yesterday.

Then again, Kenny can throw in a shocker every now and then.

I think Coleman is off form which doesn't help and if he doesn't return to it there's a real issue there. Kenny will give a 6 out of. 10 every week but it's whether we want stability there or the possibility of a game winning performance which Coleman has in the tank.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on November 25, 2018, 08:17:34 PM
*coughs politely*

It’s clear we don’t have a premier league level alternative, yes.

Disappointed Lookman still isn’t starting over Walcott but I can sooooort of understand it.


Watching Lookman again yesterday he's great with the ball at his feet but his passing is often really poor so I can see why Walcott is the safer option.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 25, 2018, 08:41:46 PM
Passing accuracy comes with games, Lookman should be in for the "occasional" Walcott, it would pay off for him to be starting.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 25, 2018, 09:04:19 PM
Lookman is explosive and exciting, but in terms of his contribution to the team across 90 minutes - in areas like passing, tracking back, covering the RB etc - it wouldn't surprise me if Silva isn't seeing enough in training to warrant starting him vs have him cause all sorts of problems as a super-sub off the bench as needed.

Bit of a similar situation to Deulofeu - for me he was usually best for us when coming off the bench.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on November 25, 2018, 09:32:51 PM
We need to revamp the right hand side of the team over time.

When Gana drifts out to the right, and it ends up being a triangle of Coleman-Gana-Walcott, it looks fucking awful. Three players who play in straight lines, and have no subtlety to their game at all.

Its not quite the old Hibbert-Neville-Osman triangle of doom, but it is a definite step down in quality to the other side.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 25, 2018, 09:40:52 PM
Its not quite the old Hibbert-Neville-Osman triangle of doom, but it is a definite step down in quality to the other side.

Osman was tidy with the ball. Go for Cahill instead.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on November 26, 2018, 12:06:35 AM
Osman was tidy with the ball. Go for Cahill instead.
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Cahill wasnt used as a right midfielder.  Osman on thw wing with no pace, and Hibbert behind and Neville inside was just a creative vacuum.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on November 27, 2018, 04:22:19 AM

This is cool. You see a side of silva we haven’t seen yet in the last minute of this clip.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: arteta4spain on November 27, 2018, 09:42:03 AM

This is cool. You see a side of silva we haven't seen yet in the last minute of this clip.
That was great from Silva. He’s really really winning me over and I’m all aboard the Silva train. He seems nothing like Martinez and I can see him really taking us places.
He comes across lovely there with the kids. Love it! :-)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 27, 2018, 01:55:05 PM
https://statsbomb.com/2018/11/idrissa-gueye-powers-evertons-surprising-defense/

Very interesting piece, Gueye’s incredible ball winning is powering us at the moment and allowing silva’s ‘everyone up’ ethos to work better than it has elsewhere in the prem.

Interesting that we’re 11th for expected goals per game, and 11th for passes, but we are managing to make a lot of shots despite the fact we don’t really have a serious striker.

In general the article portraits an interesting picture that doesn’t really match the current feeling. We are pretty good at the moment and we deserve to be where we are, and silva has found a way to make it work that relies on one super-powered Kante-like midfielder charging about winning the ball whenever he goes anywhere near it - but up top we are taking quite a few shite shots until we squeak one in.

An injury to gueye, or a dip in finishing, and we may well struggle however.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 28, 2018, 09:39:19 PM
Dominic King saying Silva's 'especially keen' on signing Zivkovic from Benfica.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: D15TIN on November 28, 2018, 10:52:46 PM
https://statsbomb.com/2018/11/idrissa-gueye-powers-evertons-surprising-defense/

Very interesting piece, Gueye’s incredible ball winning is powering us at the moment and allowing silva’s ‘everyone up’ ethos to work better than it has elsewhere in the prem.

Interesting that we’re 11th for expected goals per game, and 11th for passes, but we are managing to make a lot of shots despite the fact we don’t really have a serious striker.

In general the article portraits an interesting picture that doesn’t really match the current feeling. We are pretty good at the moment and we deserve to be where we are, and silva has found a way to make it work that relies on one super-powered Kante-like midfielder charging about winning the ball whenever he goes anywhere near it - but up top we are taking quite a few shite shots until we squeak one in.

An injury to gueye, or a dip in finishing, and we may well struggle however.
He's essential to how we play definitely

We probably need 2/3 signings in Jan to maintain our position/better it, as you say 1 injury to gana.. or Sigurdsson or gomes would have a big effect on how we play
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on November 29, 2018, 06:44:01 AM
While the article makes an interesting point, it's a bloody obvious one. You could also apply the same analysis to a lot of teams, doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

The way I read it, it was almost dismissive of Silva's tactics (not saying they're not open to criticism) and us be wholly reliant on Gueye. Somehow completely ignoring that Silva is using his resources to maximise output, as a manager should. In my opinion if we were to lose Gueye for whatever reason we would adjust the way we play. We're not as rigid as we were under previous managers (particularly Martinez).

However that was purely my interpretation and others could have formed a completely different opinion of the article.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hesmenos on November 30, 2018, 12:59:53 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11566750/how-silva-has-improved-everton (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11566750/how-silva-has-improved-everton)

Not sure if this has been already posted. Some of these stats are quite obvious but quite impressive when you see them written down. I thought the table with possesion won in the final 3rd was quite impressive. I knew it was a major part of our game plan but I didn't realise we were doing that much more of it than other teams.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 30, 2018, 01:17:19 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11566750/how-silva-has-improved-everton (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11566750/how-silva-has-improved-everton)

Not sure if this has been already posted. Some of these stats are quite obvious but quite impressive when you see them written down. I thought the table with possesion won in the final 3rd was quite impressive. I knew it was a major part of our game plan but I didn't realise we were doing that much more of it than other teams.

We seem to be circumspect about when we do it.

It’s not all 110mph all game.

Of course I’m sure L’pool, City, Spurs would have higher numbers than they do if they didn’t have so much of the ball themselves, but it is a big improvement for us.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hesmenos on November 30, 2018, 01:23:07 AM

Of course I’m sure L’pool, City, Spurs would have higher numbers than they do if they didn’t have so much of the ball themselves, but it is a big improvement for us.

This is a very good point. I hadn't thought about this.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on December 03, 2018, 12:57:03 AM
Bernard and Walcott aren’t doing it for me.

Would try

Pickford
Coleman Keane Mina Digne
Gana Gomes
Lookman Sigurdsson Richarlison
DCL
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 03, 2018, 12:57:44 AM
Bernard and Walcott aren’t doing it for me.

Would try

Pickford
Coleman Keane Mina Digne
Gana Gomes
Lookman Sigurdsson Richarlison
DCL

Thought Bernard was great today.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 03, 2018, 12:59:21 AM
Thought Bernard was great today.
Best in ages from him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on December 03, 2018, 01:00:28 AM
Silva is amazing, no fear attitude is brilliant, we will ruffle a few feathes now
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on December 03, 2018, 01:07:17 AM
Think Lookman needs to start next game
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on December 03, 2018, 01:08:36 AM
Thought Bernard was great today.

Never involved in any of our goals.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on December 03, 2018, 01:10:42 AM
Never involved in any of our goals.

We didnt score any today 😉
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 03, 2018, 01:12:46 AM
Think Lookman needs to start next game
Keeps looking good when he comes on. He 'll start the next surely.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 03, 2018, 01:14:30 AM
Bernard was good today i thought, improving every game, he was far from fit when he arrived, think he will be a good un, like Lookman to start starting though.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 03, 2018, 01:27:52 AM
Lookman deserves a chance from the start now.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 03, 2018, 02:08:49 AM
Never involved in any of our goals.

It’s just not quite happened for him imo.

He’s still putting hazard level creation numbers up.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 03, 2018, 03:44:51 AM
Bernard has lacked composure in a few games against the top sides, but he’ll come good. Walcott is the one that needs rotating, he’s been poor to average all season.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on December 03, 2018, 04:06:08 AM
Weird that Walcott always gets a chance but Bernard always looks better over the course of a match. Regardless I reckon Lookman has earned a shot over either one at the moment
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on December 03, 2018, 08:13:25 PM
Weird that Walcott always gets a chance but Bernard always looks better over the course of a match. Regardless I reckon Lookman has earned a shot over either one at the moment

Thought he looked more composed and 'meaty' on the ball than Walcott when he came on
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on December 04, 2018, 12:15:59 AM
Thought he looked more composed and 'meaty' on the ball than Walcott when he came on

Yeah one of Lookmans better cameos. Wouldn't mind seeing him against Newcastle
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cozzie on December 04, 2018, 12:38:01 AM
I also think we need to end the Richarlison upfront chapter.

It hasn't exactly "failed" as such but he is our most effective player and we aren't getting enough out of him.

I know many don't rate Tosun but he is a finisher, he will do just fine in my opinion until Jan.

Richarlison is more effective on the left cutting in.

I'd start Tosun upfront and bring Lookman in for Theo. Give Bernard a rest as well.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 04, 2018, 12:48:20 AM
Think Bernard needs to keep his spot he's getting fitter and better each game..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2018, 03:08:31 PM
Changed my mind on Theo. We need players who run beyond and he makes better runs than anyone else. Worth having in the side for that alone, despite how disappointing he’s been when in the good positions lately.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on December 06, 2018, 03:18:02 PM
I think the latest set of results emphasises that you're only as good as your strikers. I think we are about right, however, if we had a Kane, Aguero, Salah even Lukaku etc we'd be in the top 4 as we dominate enough games. I know we arent going to go out and get someone like those mentioned but even if we could get someone like Lacazette I think we'd be much better off points wise
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on December 06, 2018, 03:59:17 PM
Changed my mind on Theo. We need players who run beyond and he makes better runs than anyone else. Worth having in the side for that alone, despite how disappointing he’s been when in the good positions lately.

It's no use getting in those positions if you constantly fail to produce. Last night he was clean through on goal from Pickford's pass but he looked as if someone had tied his shoelaces together, not for the first time, and the chance was gone. His inability to get a football under control is poor for someone with his experience. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 06, 2018, 04:04:29 PM
Walcott over lookman for me all day.

Still struggling to see what lookman gives to this side at the moment.

Looks totally not arsed and takes up strange positions.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on December 06, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
I think we need to persevere with Lookman, give him games, time and encouragement. Theo is yesterday's man, there is no upside to consistently playing a winger who fails to produce and is getting older. Lookman has bags of potential but he doesn't have much game intelligence, which can only come with experience, if it comes.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 06, 2018, 04:34:43 PM
Lookman seems convinced that he’s a roaming, free role forward in the Messi mould.

He isn’t.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on December 06, 2018, 05:21:40 PM
Lookman seems convinced that he’s a roaming, free role forward in the Messi mould.

He isn’t.

If he's been watching Raheem Sterling and thinks he can try and model his game on him then he first needs to learn the basics before he can progress to that style of play.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 06, 2018, 05:26:47 PM
If he's been watching Raheem Sterling and thinks he can try and model his game on him then he first needs to learn the basics before he can progress to that style of play.

Indeed
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 06, 2018, 05:27:26 PM
I do get excited about the raw ability of Lookman, but then again I also notice when he goes missing, doesnt track back, fucks up a tackle, is regularly out of position, etc. Then I look at Walcott and think, that pace is scary, its keeping their full backs in their own half, nice tracking back, good reading of the game, etc. Its a tough one. I think at the end of the day, we will have to offer him bit part games, on big wages, and if hes not happy with that, then we should cash in on him, as currently Walcott is the better option overall. Be nice to have both, but its not going to happen. The priority, after securing Gomes ;) is a scary, goal scoring forward. Hopefully a VERY good one.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 06, 2018, 05:38:34 PM
Theo isn’t finished he’s just out of form, as wingers often are. But even so, the wide positions aren’t our problem, we need a striker who knows where the net is.

Add this kind of player to our team and we win last night. We probably win the derby as well. We can do better than Tosun and DCL.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 06, 2018, 05:43:52 PM
(https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/landscape_928x523/2017/12/das-boot.jpg) It's that time again?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 06, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Fuck lookman tbh.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 06, 2018, 08:28:57 PM
Fuck lookman tbh.



Do you reckon he’s still not arsed?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 06, 2018, 08:41:15 PM
Fuck lookman tbh.



I was wondering why you were so down on him, as well. You were at the game, so you probably saw some things I didn't. Is it his general demeanour around the pitch?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 07, 2018, 12:49:23 AM
Walcott over lookman for me all day.

Still struggling to see what lookman gives to this side at the moment.

Looks totally not arsed and takes up strange positions.
He drifts off the flank too much. He left Coleman alone to mich with noone to pass to. Which eventually meant Sigurddson drifted out there and we had nobody at all in the middle of the park.

The passing game we play needs width and pace. Lookman sort of negates that. Think he does offer a lot  but in games like last night he isnt the right option.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on December 07, 2018, 04:20:00 AM
I'm not sure what Lookman is trying to be
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 07, 2018, 05:12:52 AM
I still back him I’ve got to say, one thing I noticed was that whenever Coleman drove forward with the ball, lookman would immediately pull inside. Not sure how that impacted Coleman but they only started clicking a bit when sig pulled outside for little one two’s. Maybe Coleman can’t quite makes those inside angle passes work, I dunno.

The Theo thing - he’s so frustrating but you can’t deny he gets into good positions, while the others seem to be into-feet type players to me. Maybe worth sticking with him for a bit and bringing Lookman on as an impact sub.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on December 07, 2018, 05:48:23 AM
My biggest frustration of late is Coleman ....every time we break down his flank he stops to move the ball back ...countless times against Newcastle Lookman was in acres of space  (felt sorry for Lookman the indecision from his teammate was hard to work with )...Coleman never saw him and turned the ball back for Guaye or Zouma every time . ...if I'm honest I rekon Coleman should be over his injury now bombing on again but it looks to have gone completely from his game ....we badly need a replacement .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 07, 2018, 05:52:35 AM
Walcott will always frustrate, don't dislike the lad at all but didn't expect him to suddenly become consistent, Wenger and various England managers couldn't manage to do it so why would he change for us? has always had the  talent to be world class just not the attention span or desire or something upstairs.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on December 07, 2018, 04:14:18 PM
Walcott would be better served trying a run up top for a few games. He's stocky enough to have a stab at holding the ball up and he's got the pace to go the other way too and work the channels or get in on goal, which will keep the defenders on their toes.

The Richarlison experiment hasn't worked for me. He's all over the place up there, doesn't know whether to move across the line or come deep and he very rarely goes the other way, which means Gomes is constantly working the ball from left to right and back again as there's nothing ahead of him. Gomes has the final ball in his locker, he just doesn't have anyone with much pace or genuine movement to execute it to. Keane always looks up for a runner too and has the ability to turn defence into attack if it was on.

Someone in the mould of Vardy would be perfect. It could be Walcott, or as near to it as we've got in the squad until we get someone in.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: 74Blue on December 07, 2018, 06:51:54 PM
Walcott would be better served trying a run up top for a few games. He's stocky enough to have a stab at holding the ball up and he's got the pace to go the other way too and work the channels or get in on goal, which will keep the defenders on their toes.

The Richarlison experiment hasn't worked for me. He's all over the place up there, doesn't know whether to move across the line or come deep and he very rarely goes the other way, which means Gomes is constantly working the ball from left to right and back again as there's nothing ahead of him. Gomes has the final ball in his locker, he just doesn't have anyone with much pace or genuine movement to execute it to. Keane always looks up for a runner too and has the ability to turn defence into attack if it was on.

Someone in the mould of Vardy would be perfect. It could be Walcott, or as near to it as we've got in the squad until we get someone in.
Having Walcott and Richarlison in the starting line-up with either Bernard or Lookman also gives you tbe option to switch it around a little with Walcott and Richarlison able to switch between leading the line and playing as a winger with one of Bernard or Lookman alternating between left and right wing to suit. It would be a nightmare for opposition defences and gives us the opportunity to kind of have the best of both worlds in terms of utilising Walcott's pace and Richarlison's finishing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on December 11, 2018, 04:07:43 AM
Can’t wrap my head around him not changing things at 1-0 and 60 minutes gone.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 11, 2018, 04:09:02 AM
Can’t wrap my head around him not changing things at 1-0 and 60 minutes gone.
Was painfully obvious
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on December 11, 2018, 04:16:39 AM
Can’t wrap my head around him not changing things at 1-0 and 60 minutes gone.

Yep, was screaming for a change
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Zoolander on December 11, 2018, 04:17:51 AM
Can't wrap my head around him not changing things at 1-0 and 60 minutes gone.
Same
I’d have thought Davies would have helped at that stage
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 11, 2018, 05:27:18 AM
Just not got the quality yet for me.

Think Marcos perpetually in-transition midfield and forward line that struggle keeping hold of the ball and struggle to create big, clear chances don’t help, but *some* of that will be fixed by getting more quality into the side.

Whatever forward we are hoping to get I think we will have to like reassess a bit, think it’s going to end up being more of a traditional number 9 who can hold it up and spread it wide so we can whip it in.

Maybe we should have bought Rondon tbh.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on December 11, 2018, 06:42:34 AM
Silva, said he had a 'good nucleus' when he came here. I like him as a promising manager, personally. We were a bit shit tonight though. But hey ho. Let's go for the next one. Cenk isn't going to cut it here, I don't think, I'm gutted. I like him as a turkish bull. His being dead smart seems to have been left in Istanbul. Gutted. Now were going to have to beat mad teams away. We need it at Goodison too, Marco. A shit result really. :(
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 11, 2018, 06:43:15 AM
Sigurdsson and Gana will be phased out over the next 18 months.

The city game will bring a good chance to try something different because we’re losing no matter what.

Think we’ll see three at the back there and it may well continue.

We can’t continue with this 4-2-3-1.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 11, 2018, 11:11:00 AM
Sigurdsson and Gana will be phased out over the next 18 months.

The city game will bring a good chance to try something different because we're losing no matter what.

Think we'll see three at the back there and it may well continue.

We can't continue with this 4-2-3-1.

Sigurdson won’t be phased out, Silva likes him. He’s been arguably our best player this season, despite the penalty misses.

I’d like a more powerful midfielder that reliable in possession, over Gueye, but the main problem is the striker.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 11, 2018, 12:41:07 PM
Just not got the quality yet for me.

Think Marcos perpetually in-transition midfield and forward line that struggle keeping hold of the ball and struggle to create big, clear chances don’t help, but *some* of that will be fixed by getting more quality into the side.

Whatever forward we are hoping to get I think we will have to like reassess a bit, think it’s going to end up being more of a traditional number 9 who can hold it up and spread it wide so we can whip it in.

Maybe we should have bought Rondon tbh.

Yes issue is that we don’t have a guaranteed platform in attack either technically or physically who will take the ball more often than not and allow everyone to move up.

That forms part of the argument of Richarlison back out left because physically he’d have more chance of dominating the RB more regularly.

Last night they were aggressive (in a fair way) and none of the front four were able to regularly hold off their marker and control the ball.

So we’re reliant on good moves or winning the ball back high up the pitch. Which, at home, isn’t as easy if the opposition defence is sat deep and don’t offer too many chances to knick the ball.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on December 11, 2018, 02:49:52 PM
My thoughts from last night:

- Gana does his job so well at times, and then others he just becomes a massive liability. I think his first 3 or 4 touches last night were balls given straight to the opponents. Doucoure also nullified Gomes brilliantly for most of the game, so in effect we had no Central Midfield.

- Walcott reminds me so much of myself playing Fifa; run, run, run, run, lose the ball. So infuriating, and he is not justifying his (what I imagine is a) sizeable wage.

- Richarlison is trying hard up front on his own, and still scoring, but he is not the answer up top. Bullied badly all night after his goal, and you could see his head drop once Cabasele starting banging into him every time he went near him. Move him back to the left and move Bernard onto the right.

- Tosun looks like the 2nd coming of (second season) Jelavic. The ball looks like an alien concept to him. Until we sign a striker in January who can hold the ball up, I think we will struggle.

- Coleman tried hard, but is definitely on the slide now. RB is another area we need to look at strengthening in January/June.

- I really hope Silva manages to change the culture of the team even more; the first half we looked pretty decent, but once we scored we did what we always do; sat back and allowed them to come onto us. Infuriates me, we do this all the fucking time whenever we take the lead. Try attacking and going for a 2nd or 3rd. Whether this is a hangover from Allardyce and Koeman, I don't know. All I know is that this mental state will hold us back until we change it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 12, 2018, 07:46:17 PM
Good article!

https://stopbunching.blogspot.com/2018/12/when-is-midfielder-not-midfielder.html
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 12, 2018, 08:02:23 PM
Good article!

https://stopbunching.blogspot.com/2018/12/when-is-midfielder-not-midfielder.html

Enjoyed that.

He’s not a very good number 10 and never has been imo.

Games like Watford and Newcastle are where you need your so called creative player to get on the ball and influence the game but he found himself marked out the game for about the tenth time this season.

It’s the massive elephant in the room but I do think we will perform better without him in the team.

The whole reason we play the system we do is to accommodate Sigurdsson. Silva wants to play 4-3-3 but knows Sigurdsson can’t play the deeper role.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on December 12, 2018, 08:28:40 PM
It’s the massive elephant in the room but I do think we will perform better without him in the team.

The whole reason we play the system we do is to accommodate Sigurdsson. Silva wants to play 4-3-3 but knows Sigurdsson can’t play the deeper role.

I think it would be worthwhile for Silva to experiment with some starting lineups that don't include Sigurdsson, just to learn something about how it affects our build-up play and ability to create chances from open play.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on December 12, 2018, 08:37:38 PM
if we start playing 3 at the back silva will lose my support, absolutely can not stand 3 at the back
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 12, 2018, 08:53:16 PM
Aye, he's a bit of an enigma isn't he. Would like to see a few changes in the latter half of the season - with hopefully a few additions in Jan/Summer :D


Pickford


Keane ----- Mina
Wan-Bissaka ---------------------------------- Digne


Ndombele ------------ Gomes

Bernard

Walcott --------------------------- Richarlison

Das Boot

Subs:
Stek
Sigurdsson
Walcott
Henry
etc
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 12, 2018, 09:53:40 PM
Another CM who is open to taking the ball in his place would be good, and reduce the pressure on Gomes to be everyone to everything, but we would lose goals out the side.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on December 12, 2018, 10:10:11 PM
Bernard could be the answer as an out and out 10.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 12, 2018, 10:21:46 PM
I think it would be worthwhile for Silva to experiment with some starting lineups that don't include Sigurdsson, just to learn something about how it affects our build-up play and ability to create chances from open play.

Going to have to do it eventually, he is 29 like.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on December 13, 2018, 12:19:56 AM
Going to have to do it eventually, he is 29 like.

Kind of a mad thing to be saying about a player who's only in the second year of his contract but here we are.

One of many reasons not to sign an expensive 28 year old.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 13, 2018, 02:03:43 AM
Good article!

https://stopbunching.blogspot.com/2018/12/when-is-midfielder-not-midfielder.html

Quit hatin on Sig and Gomes


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 13, 2018, 09:00:12 AM
Another CM who is open to taking the ball in his place would be good, and reduce the pressure on Gomes to be everyone to everything, but we would lose goals out the side.
Very true that... Gomes ended up under a lot of pressure the other night because of it, made him a lot less effective than he has been recently.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: howard1334 on December 13, 2018, 01:35:40 PM
Good article!

https://stopbunching.blogspot.com/2018/12/when-is-midfielder-not-midfielder.html

General point is probably valid; I have always considered Sig to be playing, effectively, as a second striker.  But I think it is a disservice to claim he is just another Josh King or Ayoze Perez.  First, Sigs strike rate has been consistently better over longer stretches of time. Second, there are few if any better strikers of the ball outside the box in the Prem.  Third, Sig does have his set piece ability, which is a real benefit, and you can't just pretend that it does not exist when making comparisons.  And, fourth, his work rate is better than others; even the article acknowledges that he defends like a midfielder, and is different than his peers in that regard.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 13, 2018, 02:06:56 PM
Quit hatin on Sig and Gomes


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‘I’m guessing you’ve never played CM DoF before’
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 13, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
General point is probably valid; I have always considered Sig to be playing, effectively, as a second striker.  But I think it is a disservice to claim he is just another Josh King or Ayoze Perez.  First, Sigs strike rate has been consistently better over longer stretches of time. Second, there are few if any better strikers of the ball outside the box in the Prem.  Third, Sig does have his set piece ability, which is a real benefit, and you can't just pretend that it does not exist when making comparisons.  And, fourth, his work rate is better than others; even the article acknowledges that he defends like a midfielder, and is different than his peers in that regard.

Yeah I think the most important thing about the article is like stylistically speaking it means we’re currently playing a 2 man midfield.

Yerry Mina and Micheal Keane both help, and Digne has been aroaring success, but the midfield is too easy to bypass now everyone knows what Gomes is about.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 14, 2018, 12:34:05 AM
"I'm guessing you've never played CM DoF before'

Touché


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2018, 05:19:17 AM
https://toffeeanalysis.wordpress.com/2018/12/14/why-richarlison-has-to-play-on-the-left/

Good article!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on December 15, 2018, 07:03:09 AM
https://toffeeanalysis.wordpress.com/2018/12/14/why-richarlison-has-to-play-on-the-left/

Good article!

Actually agree but the issue is that Tosun doesn’t fit into the system and offers nothing as a result whilst DCL hasn’t been able to take his chance which was probably against Arsenal when he spurned those chances. Niasse is just a bit shite despite his knack.

I’d like to see DCL up front and Richarlison on the left but can see why Marco is persisting with Richarlison considering he’s still getting goals and Walcott and Bernard are more likely to produce something than the actual strikers at the club.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lazarou on December 15, 2018, 12:20:46 PM
Not a fan of Richarlison through the middle, gets bullied far too often which then leads to him usually being on his arse rolling around. We can never build up play into the final third through him and although he has got goals (he could probably play anywhere and get a goal) it has been to the detriment to the rest of our play.

Unfortunately we don't appear to have a alternative that Silva likes, although DCL has always done well holding up the play and did well against City last year through the middle.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 15, 2018, 03:41:09 PM
DCL has done ok holding the ball up where there’s space.

Yet to show he’s a consistent foil if the opposition are sat deep and the build up is more static.

Vs city there’ll be space but in games like the last two at home he’s not shown yet to be an obvious pick.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2018, 06:12:50 PM
DCL has done ok holding the ball up where there’s space.

Yet to show he’s a consistent foil if the opposition are sat deep and the build up is more static.

Vs city there’ll be space but in games like the last two at home he’s not shown yet to be an obvious pick.

He’s not really had the chance I wouldn’t say. Done OK when coming on but can’t remember him having 60-70mins vs two grocks like richarlison has had.

Might not work, it might well be the case that silva has had a look and thought nah, which would would be a bit of a worry for Dom’s long terms prospects.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 15, 2018, 09:03:41 PM
Interesting to see he went with a turtle neck today.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheTone on December 15, 2018, 09:13:25 PM
Interesting to see he went with a turtle neck today.



Thought it worked well, I've given it motm
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 15, 2018, 10:58:13 PM
Still positive overall from Silva, its a work in progress and we've been in every game we've played this season I can think of, he can't do much about those missed chances. Would like him at times to be a bit quicker changing things that seem obvious to us like maybe a rest for Coleman and Siggurdsson.

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on December 16, 2018, 12:43:58 AM
Don't see any reason why Calvert-Lewin shouldn't be starting.

He works hard, his movement is generally good, and he frees up Richarlison to play a more natural role.

Also, we tend to play a fuck ton of crosses so it might be a good idea to have someone else in the box who can get on the end of them.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 16, 2018, 01:15:22 AM
Don't see any reason why Calvert-Lewin shouldn't be starting.

He works hard, his movement is generally good, and he frees up Richarlison to play a more natural role.

Also, we tend to play a fuck ton of crosses so it might be a good idea to have someone else in the box who can get on the end of them.
Is a "Fuck Ton" a measurement we'll be using after Brexit?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 16, 2018, 01:42:40 AM
Don't see any reason why Calvert-Lewin shouldn't be starting.

He works hard, his movement is generally good, and he frees up Richarlison to play a more natural role.

Also, we tend to play a fuck ton of crosses so it might be a good idea to have someone else in the box who can get on the end of them.
I'm not a massive fan of dcl but id give him a few games and move Richarlison back to left wing where's he's most effective.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on December 16, 2018, 01:45:36 AM
Don't see any reason why Calvert-Lewin shouldn't be starting.

He works hard, his movement is generally good, and he frees up Richarlison to play a more natural role.

Also, we tend to play a fuck ton of crosses so it might be a good idea to have someone else in the box who can get on the end of them.

DCL played well today ...took his chance despite a deflection ...he does deserve more starts ....

Also I notice nobody really mentioned Guaye was missing today ...didn't think we missed him at all tbh ...maybe its time to start playing a bit more expansive in the middle .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 16, 2018, 01:48:45 AM
DCL played well today ...took his chance despite a deflection ...he does deserve more starts ....

Also I notice nobody really mentioned Guaye was missing today ...didn't think we missed him at all tbh ...maybe its time to start playing a bit more expansive in the middle .
I disagree as I thought we missed him massively....
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 16, 2018, 01:49:35 AM
DCL played well and got a goal.

No reason not to play him now. Needs to be accepted that he’s going to have a stinker now and then but he has not had a good run in a good team, in his proper position.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on December 16, 2018, 01:52:11 AM
I disagree as I thought we missed him massively....

I didn't tbh comparative on shots ..the three more than coped ...aside Mina obvious mistake ....it was city after all .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on December 16, 2018, 01:53:01 AM
I disagree as I thought we missed him massively....

Fair enough mate .
i didn't tbh, comparative on shots ..the three at the back coped ...aside Mina obvious mistake ....it was city after all .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 16, 2018, 02:04:08 AM
Fair enough mate .
i didn't tbh, comparative on shots ..the three at the back coped ...aside Mina obvious mistake ....it was city after all .
I thought we missed his ball winning in midfield although you are totally right it's hard to compare city away to other games !
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 16, 2018, 02:08:18 AM
DCL played well and got a goal.

No reason not to play him now. Needs to be accepted that he’s going to have a stinker now and then but he has not had a good run in a good team, in his proper position.

Thought he played well once there were balls to chase into the channel etc.

Prior to that he didn’t offer a physical presence and lay offs etc were in keeping with everyone else’s passing accuracy.

But Spurs is likely to need similar runs/ pace in behind so I wouldn’t be averse to sticking with him for that one (and hopefully we’ll be on the front foot more so we can get a better assessment).
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on December 16, 2018, 04:25:16 AM
Thought he played well once there were balls to chase into the channel etc.

Prior to that he didn't offer a physical presence and lay offs etc were in keeping with everyone else's passing accuracy.

But Spurs is likely to need similar runs/ pace in behind so I wouldn't be averse to sticking with him for that one (and hopefully we'll be on the front foot more so we can get a better assessment).
Front foot against Spurs, I don’t think so mate, they’ll tear us a new one, they are on par with the two front runners
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on December 16, 2018, 04:46:38 AM
Front foot against Spurs, I don’t think so mate, they’ll tear us a new one, they are on par with the two front runners

Well we haven't played a top side at home this season and done pretty well away in terms of performance so who knows.

Last season Silva managed:

Liverpool 3-3
Man City 0-6 (...)
Arsenal 2-1
Man United 2-4
Tottenham 1-1

and at Hull...

Liverpool 2-0
Man United 2-1
Tottenham 7-1 (..)

Hoping we don't concede five or seven  like but some good results there.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on December 16, 2018, 03:14:19 PM
Well we haven't played a top side at home this season and done pretty well away in terms of performance so who knows.

Last season Silva managed:

Liverpool 3-3
Man City 0-6 (...)
Arsenal 2-1
Man United 2-4
Tottenham 1-1

and at Hull...

Liverpool 2-0
Man United 2-1
Tottenham 7-1 (..)

Hoping we don't concede five or seven  like but some good results there.
Spurs are miles ahead of us mate, if we can’t beat West Ham, Huddersfield, Newcastle or Watford at home what chance do we have against a Champions League team who are winning every week domestically?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on December 16, 2018, 03:42:49 PM
Spurs are miles ahead of us mate, if we can’t beat West Ham, Huddersfield, Newcastle or Watford at home what chance do we have against a Champions League team who are winning every week domestically?

The same spurs team who fluked a late winner yesterday ....
We need to change our mentality ...we've beaten these teams before with a shitter squad ...we've been close to all the top teams this year reffed out of a couple and the shite late goal fiasco ....yesterday would've been well easier if 'easy' chances were taken ...same with Arsenal game .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on December 16, 2018, 11:34:47 PM
I'd really like to see Silva drop Sigurdsson once or twice over the holiday period, just to get some information about how we fare without him.

GK: Pickford
RB: Coleman
CB: Keane
CB: Mina
LB: Digne
DM: Gana
CM: Gomes
CM: Bernard (easier match, creativity needed) / Davies (harder match, extra control needed)
RW: Lookman (easier match, just to get him some game time) / Walcott (harder match, extra discipline needed)
CF: Calvert-Lewin
LW: Richarlison (could swap flanks with Lookman in easier matches)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 16, 2018, 11:53:42 PM
The same spurs team who fluked a late winner yesterday ....
We need to change our mentality ...we've beaten these teams before with a shitter squad ...we've been close to all the top teams this year reffed out of a couple and the shite late goal fiasco ....yesterday would've been well easier if 'easy' chances were taken ...same with Arsenal game .

Spurs are miles ahead of us mate, if we can’t beat West Ham, Huddersfield, Newcastle or Watford at home what chance do we have against a Champions League team who are winning every week domestically?

Not about whether we’re as good over a season.

Spurs will come to win the game so the issues vs Newcastle or whoever wont be as prevalent.

We’ve looked better in away games because there’s been more space, which suits us getting it out wide etc.

We need to look at this as a winnable game.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 17, 2018, 01:53:17 AM
I’ve been impressed with Silva this season, I think 9 times out of 10 he’s got the right team selection and tactics. If we had a worthy striker we’d be right in the top 6 fight.

This first home game against a top side will be interesting.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 20, 2018, 02:26:50 PM
Middle of the pack in terms of ‘bypassed defenders’ vs ‘defenders bypassed’.

Literally first time I’ve ever seen this metric, but - get Lookman on the pitch and we fly up that table.

We’re not THAT far off the big sides in terms of what we’ve allowed, we just need more 1v1 ability to put people on the back foot more.

What is the correlation to higher league points / position? No idea, but it’ll be exciting and stands to reason like.

https://twitter.com/impect_official/status/1073197261126021121?s=21
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 22, 2018, 06:08:15 PM
fucking swoon central

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvBO5a-WkAAFsFt.jpg)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheTone on December 22, 2018, 06:25:44 PM
fucking swoon central

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvBO5a-WkAAFsFt.jpg)

🙄
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on December 23, 2018, 11:34:57 PM
Hoping we don't concede five or seven  like but some good results there.

Well 6 isn't 5 or 7 if we can hold on from here......
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 23, 2018, 11:39:24 PM
Is this the biggest dicking since the days of our annual pasting by Arsenal under Moyes?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2018, 11:45:59 PM
Our next nine are against teams outside the top 6 so that’s something
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2018, 11:48:02 PM
Our next nine are against teams outside the top 6 so that’s something

Watford.....Newcastle....
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2018, 11:48:13 PM
I think someone said earlier in the season that at times, the way Silva sets up, occasionally we'll take some hidings. Well done whoever it was that said it, this has been a proper hiding.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on December 23, 2018, 11:56:36 PM
We've had a hard run of games but we've shown we are nowhere near the top six right now. The only good thing is we should get a run going soon with the upcoming games and comfortably finish top half.  It's the lower end of first season expectations under Silva but it's still what I thought
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2018, 11:59:38 PM
Looking very Watford from last season at the moment.

Does he have the ability to change things effectively and stop the rot?

No evidence of that so far in his career but we need to see something soon, otherwise it’s another season wasted.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on December 24, 2018, 12:03:28 AM
and to think we might get a massive fine and sanctions over him
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 24, 2018, 12:07:49 AM
The title of this thread is almost as annoying as todays game
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 24, 2018, 12:08:18 AM
Poor today from Silva. Needed to set up how we have played against all the better sides, back 4 deeper and hit them on the counter which we've actually looked half decent at. Instead he went full Martinez, which you can't afford to do with the lack of midfield and pace of our back 4. Also worried about his inability to change and affect things during the match, the subs were just thrown on in hope of changing things.

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2018, 12:20:57 AM
Just got to swallow it sometimes. Not sure what else to think or say.

Don’t let it ruin your Christmas, lads and lasses.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 24, 2018, 12:21:52 AM
Just got to swallow it sometimes. Not sure what else to think or say.

Don’t let it ruin your Christmas, lads and lasses.

:( so difficult though isnt it. Wish i wasnt so invested in the game!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2018, 12:27:34 AM
:( so difficult though isnt it. Wish i wasnt so invested in the game!

Yep, it’s hard. We’re a tragic club and we suffer a lot in quite cruel ways (or it feels like that).

My advice would just be to take a step back and, hard as it might be, try to find some perspective and think about other things.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Polledreng on December 24, 2018, 12:31:43 AM
Yep, it’s hard. We’re a tragic club and we suffer a lot in quite cruel ways (or it feels like that).

My advice would just be to take a step back and, hard as it might be, try to find some perspective and think about other things.
its x-mas in Denmark tomorrow and my birthday..... not working....would swop that for a win  ;).
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2018, 12:32:24 AM
Yep, it’s hard. We’re a tragic club and we suffer a lot in quite cruel ways (or it feels like that).

My advice would just be to take a step back and, hard as it might be, try to find some perspective and think about other things.

I think our problem is we’ve no highs or lows. We could do another 20 or 30 years and never be in a relegation battle or the top 4. It’s all a bit dull. The odd season we do look on the verge of achieving something (the 4th under moyes and the 5th under Martinez) we quickly throw it all away
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 24, 2018, 12:34:33 AM
Poor today from Silva. Needed to set up how we have played against all the better sides, back 4 deeper and hit them on the counter which we've actually looked half decent at. Instead he went full Martinez, which you can't afford to do with the lack of midfield and pace of our back 4. Also worried about his inability to change and affect things during the match, the subs were just thrown on in hope of changing things.

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He does look a very fuckin confused bunny when things aren't panning out..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2018, 12:44:25 AM
I think our problem is we’ve no highs or lows. We could do another 20 or 30 years and never be in a relegation battle or the top 4. It’s all a bit dull. The odd season we do look on the verge of achieving something (the 4th under moyes and the 5th under Martinez) we quickly throw it all away

I’d rather not have the relegation battles to be fair.

But yes, because we’re 7ish every year we’re not good enough to get this kind of result vs anyone. 

But equally the better teams know we’re good therefore don’t fall asleep when they play us.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2018, 12:52:22 AM
I think our problem is we’ve no highs or lows. We could do another 20 or 30 years and never be in a relegation battle or the top 4. It’s all a bit dull. The odd season we do look on the verge of achieving something (the 4th under moyes and the 5th under Martinez) we quickly throw it all away

It doesn't feel dull to me. It feels torturous. Always just on the cusp of something genuinely good, but then we conspire to mess it up, or something deeply cruel happens to us. I do genuinely think we've become quite a tragic club (the literary meaning of tragic, not the 'Everton are magic, Liverpool are tragic' sense). Doomed to suffer.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2018, 12:59:29 AM
It doesn't feel dull to me. It feels torturous. Always just on the cusp of something genuinely good, but then we conspire to mess it up, or something deeply cruel happens to us. I do genuinely think we've become quite a tragic club (the literary meaning of tragic, not the 'Everton are magic, Liverpool are tragic' sense). Doomed to suffer.

We’ve retained a sense of superiority (see silent matches vs dross when we’re winning) while also being massively pessimistic (see atmosphere vs decent teams as soon as it goes wrong).

I like keeping up standards etc but we’ve not remodelled them on reality.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2018, 01:04:27 AM
We’ve retained a sense of superiority (see silent matches vs dross when we’re winning) while also being massively pessimistic (see atmosphere vs decent teams as soon as it goes wrong).

I like keeping up standards etc but we’ve not remodelled them on reality.

What can we do about that though, as you suggested above?

We're in an almost unique position in English football. We've remained just on the edge of the big time for 20 years or so, but still on the outside looking in. We feel that sense of entitlement and expectation, and dads have passed that down to sons.

And simultaneously, we've never been truly humbled like a lot of other big sides have by being relegated or having some massive decline, where we've had to reset our expectations and get with reality.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2018, 01:07:12 AM
What can we do about that though, as you suggested above?

We're in an almost unique position in English football. We've remained just on the edge of the big time for 20 years or so, but still on the outside looking in. We feel that sense of entitlement and expectation, and dads have passed that down to sons.

And simultaneously, we've never been truly humbled like a lot of other big sides have by being relegated or having some massive decline, where we've had to reset our expectations and get with reality.

Genuinely don’t know.

I’m having another drink. Admittedly won’t make a difference but there you go...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on December 24, 2018, 01:07:56 AM
feels like we are never going to improve

seems we will never be able to get the players we need to push on

before december we was 6th and looking like we could play abit, this month has fucked us up in the transfer window, we need a striker but after this month i think the sort of strikers we could hope to attract will have gotten worse as we now look a million miles away from challenging the top 6,

if we could have just performed abit better we would have looked much more attractive to potential signings


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2018, 01:07:59 AM
Genuinely don’t know.

I’m having another drink. Admittedly won’t make a difference but there you go...

Good idea. I'll do the same.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2018, 01:09:38 AM
feels like we are never going to improve

seems we will never be able to get the players we need to push on

before december we was 6th and looking like we could play abit, this month has fucked us up in the transfer window, we need a striker but after this month i think the sort of strikers we could hope to attract will have gotten worse as we now look a million miles away from challenging the top 6,

if we could have just performed abit better we would have looked much more attractive to potential signings




Professionals shouldn’t be making career decisions on the past month.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 24, 2018, 01:10:43 AM
Genuinely don’t know.

I’m having another drink. Admittedly won’t make a difference but there you go...

Good idea. I'll do the same.

Im off to bargain booze.... *cheers*
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2018, 01:14:39 AM
Im off to bargain booze.... *cheers*

Don’t choose any old shite ;)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 24, 2018, 01:15:46 AM
Don’t choose any old shite ;)

Hahha beers for me. 3 cans down and in desperate need of more!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2018, 01:17:21 AM
Hahha beers for me. 3 cans down and in desperate need of more!

If following evertonian logic  go for perfectly acceptable middle of the road but lash it down the sink for not winning the league...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on December 24, 2018, 01:19:00 AM
Professionals shouldn’t be making career decisions on the past month.

am not saying they will look at just one month but
halfway through the season we are 11th
looking at the table we are not looking like a side quality players want to come to
if we hadnt imploded so badly this month we would maybe be 6th and looking more attractive to join
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2018, 01:20:48 AM
am not saying they will look at just one month but
halfway through the season we are 11th
looking at the table we are not looking like a side quality players want to come to
if we hadnt imploded so badly this month we would maybe be 6th and looking more attractive to join

Yeah but it’s 4/6 pts.

If Utd want someone they’d sign for them regardless.

No one is signing for Bournemouth instead of us.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on December 24, 2018, 01:32:19 AM
Yeah but it’s 4/6 pts.

If Utd want someone they’d sign for them regardless.

No one is signing for Bournemouth instead of us.

there will be players that would think twice about signing for us

am not talking about Bournemouth

but its like another wasted season being mediocre, am more concerned about for example would a player want to leave somewhere like Marseilles to join us or any other  half decent team around europe or would these teams be able to turn the heads of players we might want

we are stuck on a similar level to west ham, the other month we looked a much better team than west ham we dont now tho



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2018, 01:41:07 AM
there will be players that would think twice about signing for us

am not talking about Bournemouth

but its like another wasted season being mediocre, am more concerned about for example would a player want to leave somewhere like Marseilles to join us or any other  half decent team around europe or would these teams be able to turn the heads of players we might want

we are stuck on a similar level to west ham, the other month we looked a much better team than west ham we dont now tho





Don’t stress about Jan.

Major moves happen in the summer.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on December 24, 2018, 01:42:30 AM
Don’t stress about Jan.

Major moves happen in the summer.

we could really do with a decent striker now tho
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 24, 2018, 01:44:18 AM
That’s part of the problem though isn’t it. We get a few wins and people start thinking we’re miles away from West Ham etc and start thinking like oh on paper we’re not that far away are we, we should be looking at 6th...

What I said the other day that a few people took a bit wrong, that we’re basically the same level as Leicester / West Ham (maybe went a bit far when I said Bournemouth like), we might have some individual players better than some of their individual players, but there’s just not enough of a gap in quality. Not like say, us to Tottenham, or us to United.

We didn’t learn anything new today and we’re not in a different position than we were the other month I don’t think. We are just going to have some good bits and some shite bits because that’s where we are at the minute.

Gimmie a richarlison every year and we’ll be in a better position soon.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2018, 01:46:08 AM
we could really do with a decent striker now tho
Oh yeah but doubt history changing signings happen in Jan.

Not like we thought we’d be first etc.

If you’re target is 7th it’s unlikely that we’d be 7th all through the season

Well have some bits of form better than 7th and some bits worse.

Unlikely that someone guaranteed to break that flow is going to change their mind on 3 pts
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2018, 01:48:53 AM
I need GLewis coaching me through life.

I don't mean to make you uncomfortable in any way, and I mean it purely platonically, but I think I'd make better life decisions and have a better perspective if you lived next door to me.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on December 24, 2018, 01:52:16 AM
I need GLewis coaching me through life.

I don't mean to make you uncomfortable in any way, and I mean it purely platonically, but I think I'd make better life decisions and have a better perspective if you lived next door to me.

I bet he'd even bring your wheelie bin in if he's home from work before you. :)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2018, 01:55:32 AM
I need GLewis coaching me through life.

I don't mean to make you uncomfortable in any way, and I mean it purely platonically, but I think I'd make better life decisions and have a better perspective if you lived next door to me.

Ha

Yeah it all falls down on the point that every match day I think it might be different ;)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: toffee_scot on December 24, 2018, 02:03:00 AM
It would be nice as well if Silva could settle on which defenders to use, in the past few games we haven't had the same defensive lineup because he keeps rotating some of the players.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on December 24, 2018, 02:06:09 AM
i know we have progressed in some area's we was a complete mess last year and there are some decent players here.

am frustrated atm, we have wasted 4 years and not improved, we need to hope brands can find players that will improve in the future because we are going to struggle to attract ready made players that can drastically improve us i feel
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on December 24, 2018, 02:09:14 AM
i hope i dont come across as being knee jerky, just feel very deflated by the month, am not feeling much of that feel good factor atm
Title: Silva's Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 24, 2018, 02:37:23 AM
Today was a bad day at the end (hopefully) of a bad run. We were weak and Spurs were ruthless.

It's not the end of the world though, we've still got a decent squad, a few really good players and a DoF & manager with the right vision for the club, who are backed by an owner who will spend.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 24, 2018, 03:09:55 AM
Today was a bad day at the end (hopefully) of a bad run. We were weak and Spurs were ruthless.

It's not the end of the world though, we've still got a decent squad, a few really good players and a DoF & manager with the right vision for the club, who are backed by an owner who will spend.


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I think we really need to get a RB, CM and a Striker before we can start really seeing Silva and Brands’ vision.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 24, 2018, 06:44:54 AM
Big worry is the dip in form of the new players Digne,Gomes,Mina Not the same extent but Zouma as well, they all hit the ground running and all have dipped dramatically over the last few games, without comparing recent regimes too soon it's hard not to feel a bit of deja vu.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 24, 2018, 02:39:01 PM
Big worry is the dip in form of the new players Digne,Gomes,Mina Not the same extent but Zouma as well, they all hit the ground running and all have dipped dramatically over the last few games, without comparing recent regimes too soon it's hard not to feel a bit of deja vu.

They're all used to having a Xmas break for a little rest and feet up  ;)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2018, 02:55:19 PM
The morning after the night before! Ugh...

Did I really get thrown out of that bar after throwing up on the bouncer? Who the hell is that in the bed next to me (and what’s his name?) Did a clear 2-0 lead turn into a 6-2 defeat at home by Spurs?

Nah! Chrimbo nightmares. Too much cheese and wine before bed probably..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 24, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
Drank too many beers and watched Elf last night. And cried at the ending ffs. Everton are destroying me.

Oh well, off to the parents house later today.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 24, 2018, 03:42:45 PM
They're all used to having a Xmas break for a little rest and feet up  ;)
Not too convinced but I'll take it....
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 24, 2018, 06:45:37 PM
He’s going 4-3-3 eventually, isn’t he. Surely?

Really don’t know how to solve the Sigurdsson situation. Clearly a very, very good player who is scoring goals...but we have to accommodate him up top where he puts in about 20-25 passes a game. He’s a passenger for too much of the play, while opposition sides stroll through the middle of the pitch.

Gomes Gana Davies worth a go I think, if we’re really never going to see Sigurdsson in CM which it doesn’t look like we will.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mac934 on December 24, 2018, 08:46:22 PM
He’s going 4-3-3 eventually, isn’t he. Surely?

Really don’t know how to solve the Sigurdsson situation. Clearly a very, very good player who is scoring goals...but we have to accommodate him up top where he puts in about 20-25 passes a game. He’s a passenger for too much of the play, while opposition sides stroll through the middle of the pitch.

Gomes Gana Davies worth a go I think, if we’re really never going to see Sigurdsson in CM which it doesn’t look like we will.
I'm sorry, but Davies brings nothing to the team. He hasn't pushed on at all. Siggurdson is a problem, but keeps on bagging goals so can't be dropped I don't think.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 24, 2018, 09:09:14 PM
I'm sorry, but Davies brings nothing to the team. He hasn't pushed on at all. Siggurdson is a problem, but keeps on bagging goals so can't be dropped I don't think.

If we can buy a CM in jan that we actually want then sound we deffo should but until then he’s our next best CM I suppose?

Also he wasn’t even that bad yesterday was he? I mean no worse than anyone else.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on December 24, 2018, 09:52:21 PM
Hard to judge isn’t it, Gylfi produced a bit of brilliance for both our goals yesterday.

Can see why he ended up on the wing at Spurs
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on December 24, 2018, 09:52:37 PM
You can see what Silva is trying to do but it's not clicking right now. The hope is he isn't a stubborn as Martinez in terms of refusal to adapt philosophy
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 24, 2018, 09:57:40 PM
Hard to judge isn’t it, Gylfi produced a bit of brilliance for both our goals yesterday.

Can see why he ended up on the wing at Spurs

He’s so good, but so quiet.

Look at what poch has done with Erickson or pep has done with De Bruyne. Flighty, shooty 10s with no locomotion transformed into complete CMs who can be involved in all phases of build up, rather than just around the box.

The Icelandic stats nutter would always post about how Gylfi produces chances at a better rate (less passes to create a chance), but I actually think that’s a bad thing. He’s ball shy, and the more you get your best players on the ball taking more touches the better your team is imo.

I’d hate to see him on the bench because he’s a born match winner. But there’s definitely an argument there that we aren’t good enough as a team to carry someone who only wants the ball on the edge of the box
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mac934 on December 24, 2018, 11:20:54 PM
If we can buy a CM in jan that we actually want then sound we deffo should but until then he’s our next best CM I suppose?

Also he wasn’t even that bad yesterday was he? I mean no worse than anyone else.
He was anonymous most of the game. Hardly noticed he was there as Spurs ran through midfield as if it wasn't there. He wasn't the only one true. Who can we realistically go for and get in January though?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 25, 2018, 12:11:53 AM
He was anonymous most of the game. Hardly noticed he was there as Spurs ran through midfield as if it wasn't there. He wasn't the only one true. Who can we realistically go for and get in January though?

Watford are gearing up to sell Docoure and I wouldn’t be surprised if we were in for him.

There was rumours of Riqui Puig at Barca but really couldn’t see that like.

If Gana goes we would 100% have to buy a new CM but I don’t think it’d be a pure tackler like Gana, maybe a box to box who can play in a 3. Maybe two CM’s!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 25, 2018, 02:58:25 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but when we go forward we usually have the full-backs as wingers, the wingers as inside forwards, and the #10 up with the striker, so a sort of 2-2-6. Bit mental innit.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 25, 2018, 04:45:47 AM
Dropping Sigurdson weakens our side. We need another really good CM to bring something else to the team and make dropping Sigurdson worthwhile, but in the meantime, he’d be getting dropped for mediocre sideways passers.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 25, 2018, 07:32:26 AM
Dropping Sigurdson weakens our side. We need another really good CM to bring something else to the team and make dropping Sigurdson worthwhile, but in the meantime, he’d be getting dropped for mediocre sideways passers.


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Or alternatively, Tom Davies who is a riskier passer than the others.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 25, 2018, 05:06:54 PM
Dropping Sigurdson weakens our side. We need another really good CM to bring something else to the team and make dropping Sigurdson worthwhile, but in the meantime, he’d be getting dropped for mediocre sideways passers.


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Absolutely this. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but 7 goals and 2 assists in 18 league games tells its own story.

For me sometimes I think fans are looking in the wrong areas when trying to apportion blame for shit performances and we need to look at players not doing what their roles require.

People moan about sig but like it or not he creates something  1 in 2 games. People get on gueyes back because he isn't Pirlo but he's easily one of the best defensive midfielders in the league and it isn't his job.

In the system we play it is so important for the front 3 to create and/or score. The problem is Walcott and in particular Bernard  don't do anywhere near enough and our forward options are crap as well. We should not get confused with who should be doing what in the team.

 
Title: Silva's Playbook
Post by: arteta4spain on December 25, 2018, 05:18:45 PM
Can't see why we don't go like a 4-2-3-1
Pickford
Coleman Mina Keane Digne
Gana Gomes
Lookman Sig Richarlison
              Tosun

Obvious choices there right now but places for Davies, Walcott Zouma, to occupy amongst others. Can accommodate Sigurdsson as he can be the further forward of the three behind Tosun so effectively a 4-2-2-1-1/4-4-1-1
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 25, 2018, 05:29:00 PM
Absolutely this. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but 7 goals and 2 assists in 18 league games tells its own story.

For me sometimes I think fans are looking in the wrong areas when trying to apportion blame for shit performances and we need to look at players not doing what their roles require.

People moan about sig but like it or not he creates something  1 in 2 games. People get on gueyes back because he isn't Pirlo but he's easily one of the best defensive midfielders in the league and it isn't his job.

In the system we play it is so important for the front 3 to create and/or score. The problem is Walcott and in particular Bernard  don't do anywhere near enough and our forward options are crap as well. We should not get confused with who should be doing what in the team.

 

Nah that’s not why people are strolling through the middle, and it’s not why we’re not creating enough, and it’s not why we struggle to control and manage games, even at home.

CM is still gash. And the 2 man midfield isn’t doable without gueye’s super human ball winning.

4-3-3 is silva’s preferred formation and he’ll move to that soon I think. Two box to box players with a good passer ahead of them. If that means breaking a few eggs then so be it, because we are terrible at the minute.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 26, 2018, 02:05:40 AM
Nah that’s not why people are strolling through the middle, and it’s not why we’re not creating enough, and it’s not why we struggle to control and manage games, even at home.

CM is still gash. And the 2 man midfield isn’t doable without gueye’s super human ball winning.

4-3-3 is silva’s preferred formation and he’ll move to that soon I think. Two box to box players with a good passer ahead of them. If that means breaking a few eggs then so be it, because we are terrible at the minute.

Yes I agree.

However, if he has two box to box mids and a passer in front does that mean that the two box to box players become DM’s without the ball, or do all three fall back when we are without possession?

And what about when we are going forward? Does one sit, and the other two move forward?

And what examples of players would fit these roles?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 26, 2018, 03:14:18 AM
Yes I agree.

However, if he has two box to box mids and a passer in front does that mean that the two box to box players become DM’s without the ball, or do all three fall back when we are without possession?

And what about when we are going forward? Does one sit, and the other two move forward?

And what examples of players would fit these roles?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AeomHPQz5ko
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 26, 2018, 03:17:19 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AeomHPQz5ko

Doh! I posted that back in the day as well, haha

So, how are we currently playing differently to that? (I’m not playing devil’s advocate, btw, I just want your more forensic take on it)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 26, 2018, 03:24:24 AM
Doh! I posted that back in the day as well, haha

So, how are we currently playing differently to that? (I’m not playing devil’s advocate, btw, I just want your more forensic take on it)

Ah, here might be the answer

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 26, 2018, 03:33:29 AM
Doh! I posted that back in the day as well, haha

So, how are we currently playing differently to that? (I’m not playing devil’s advocate, btw, I just want your more forensic take on it)

I’m terrible with stuff like this, but as far as I can tell Gylfi is pushing much further up than say cleverley was. He doesn’t get involved unless it’s on the break or up on the edge of the box.

Where he had cleverley switching play he’s now got Gomes and the CB’s. Keane, Zouma and Mina are probably all better ball players than the watford lot so not a massive issue like, but Gomes instead of being a vertical runner like Docoure who wants to get on the end of build up and score or assist by passing into the box, plays for me more like a Schneiderlin type six and tries to switch play out of trouble rather than intently building overloads then switching to the other side

Away against the big sides we’ve sat in a rigid 442 and tried to break (which fits what I’d heard his sides were like - olympiakos fans used to say he’d rather win the ball back than have it I think?), but at home I personally think it looks sort of unbalanced and top heavy, relying on crosses, but then leaving the opp with one or two passes to get in against a back line that are on their heels, and people are scoring lots of breaks + cutbacks against us, which I think was picked out by the statsbomb article pre season :

https://statsbomb.com/2018/08/everton-2018-19-season-preview/


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 26, 2018, 03:34:38 AM
Might be chatting wham there I’ve been on the ale for days.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 26, 2018, 03:40:54 AM
Might be chatting wham there I’ve been on the ale for days.

Nah, that’s exactly how I’ve been seeing it, just better explained than I could manage.

Taking my daughter to the Amex for her first match on the 29th, I’m dreading us looking like a shit 4-4-2 with Dunk and Duffy dealing with all our crosses, and Knockheart (who me and my daughter met in Nando’s last week, thoroughly nice lad surprisingly) and his mates exploiting us on the flanks with cutbacks aplenty
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 26, 2018, 03:46:05 AM
Nah, that’s exactly how I’ve been seeing it, just better explained than I could manage.

Taking my daughter to the Amex for her first match on the 29th, I’m dreading us looking like a shit 4-4-2 with Dunk and Duffy dealing with all our crosses, and Knockheart (who me and my daughter met in Nando’s last week, thoroughly nice lad surprisingly) and his mates exploiting us on the flanks with cutbacks aplenty

Not looking forward to pumping balls into their fods for 90 mins but quality wise against the likes of them we should have enough over the course of the season to get a few wins.

Keep the faith mate, it’s not there yet but if it was it would have been a miracle. It’s ok to have doubts and grumbles, but DEFFO heading the right the way. What we need now is a few stable season and 2/3 good windows back to back.

A richarlison every summer and we’ll be flying.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 26, 2018, 04:09:19 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but when we go forward we usually have the full-backs as wingers, the wingers as inside forwards, and the #10 up with the striker, so a sort of 2-2-6. Bit mental innit.
. Too many Infront of the ball ,.  Need better runs off the ball ,. But even with that many forward quality of final ball especially crossing has been awful,.    Always notice we turn over possession after about 2 passes even when we have a throw in, no matter where we take it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 26, 2018, 04:18:43 AM
Not looking forward to pumping balls into their fods for 90 mins but quality wise against the likes of them we should have enough over the course of the season to get a few wins.

Keep the faith mate, it’s not there yet but if it was it would have been a miracle. It’s ok to have doubts and grumbles, but DEFFO heading the right the way. What we need now is a few stable season and 2/3 good windows back to back.

A richarlison every summer and we’ll be flying.

You speak the truth, bro, Drunken Master style ;)

A Richarlison for three windows straight whilst keeping and developing the original Richarlison would be fucking mega 💥
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 26, 2018, 05:29:14 AM
Ah, here might be the answer


I'd like to see this updated for Gomez, Mina/Zouma, and Digne.  It certainly illustrates clearly how Spurs overran our midfield, exploiting the gaps in our press.

And just seeing it explained analytically, reminds one just what a beautiful game football is.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 26, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
Well we've lost a place per game on average over the last 5 games, that needs to stop today Marco lad, aren't stats brilliant.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 26, 2018, 03:54:23 PM
Does need to get a grip of things, before this spirals from a bad run into a nosedive. Big test over the next couple of weeks for the manager.

I’m a supporter of his but I won’t support him blindly/unconditionally.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 26, 2018, 04:20:37 PM
Seems to be problems all over the pitch at the moment

The Pickford quick distribution thing isn't working at the moment. Feels to me that it means that the midfield are bypassed quite a bit and most times it just leads to us giving the ball away quite a bit. He seems very mistake prone at the moment. Needs a clean sheet badly, can probably do himself a favour by taking less risks at the moment, though I understand this is leaving out a big part of his game

I think we need to stick with a centre back pair so they can develop a partnership. Keane and Mina would be the logical 2 as we don't own Zouma

Coleman seems drastically out of form. Could be the after effects of his injury but he just doesn't seem the same player

Walcott needs to utilise his talents more. Before we signed him, the main thing I knew about Walcott is that he's a pacey fucker. We don't see him enough knocking it a few yards ahead of him and just blitzing his man for pace

Striker is a massive issue. Cenk seems like a write off. Niasse is clearly leaving in Jan, Richarlison up front isn't really working, but even on the left against Spurs he wasn't up to much. DCL still has lots to learn

Is it the system we are playing?do we need to change things up?

Since the derby we haven't had even a good 10minute spell in a match it seems
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on December 26, 2018, 04:28:50 PM
I’d like to see Sig tried as the number 9, he’s done it in the past at Swansea I think.

He’s too good to leave out of the starting 11, but he handicaps whichever forward he plays behind by sitting on top of them and handicaps the midfield by sitting too far forward.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 26, 2018, 08:41:25 PM
I’d like to see Sig tried as the number 9, he’s done it in the past at Swansea I think.

He’s too good to leave out of the starting 11, but he handicaps whichever forward he plays behind by sitting on top of them and handicaps the midfield by sitting too far forward.

I think he would be excellent up front
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on December 26, 2018, 08:46:47 PM
Modern day Bobby Charlton, the Sig
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 27, 2018, 12:31:31 AM
Can’t argue with that pass for the fifth, more of that please!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 27, 2018, 12:38:12 AM
He’s the Man.

Showed today what an Everton team he can build.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on December 27, 2018, 12:55:43 AM
Got exactly what we all ( us the team and Silva ) all needed today   great response.
and showed we really do have a bow with more than one string .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2018, 01:27:50 AM
I hope Bernard is OK, he was great today.

I’d still like to see him as the #10, playing between the lines, with two of Gana, Sigurdsson, or Gomes behind him.

I reckon we might see three at the back more often after today’s result, though.

My favourite thing about the three at the back was that Sigurdsson was required to play deeper, and he seemed to be more involved because of it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 27, 2018, 01:32:38 AM
Hilarious reading the pre-match thread and almost universal condemnation of the 3 at the back.

We’re all fucking clueless aren’t we?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 27, 2018, 01:34:37 AM
I hope Bernard is OK, he was great today.

I’d still like to see him as the #10, playing between the lines, with two of Gana, Sigurdsson, or Gomes behind him.

I reckon we might see three at the back more often after today’s result, though.

My favourite thing about the three at the back was that Sigurdsson was required to play deeper, and he seemed to be more involved because of it.
Loved Bernard today, growing in confidence and plays with a fuckin big smile.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 27, 2018, 01:38:02 AM
Hilarious reading the pre-match thread and almost universal condemnation of the 3 at the back.

We’re all fucking clueless aren’t we?
Great to see it sorted out though, bodes well.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2018, 02:03:35 AM
Hilarious reading the pre-match thread and almost universal condemnation of the 3 at the back.

We’re all fucking clueless aren’t we?

We were still breached a number of times, though, despite having three CB’s.

Keane and Mina were both caught napping on a few occasions.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on December 27, 2018, 02:08:44 AM
We were still breached a number of times, though, despite having three CB’s.

Keane and Mina were both caught napping on a few occasions.

Liked .....although I've never seen a game were anybody stops the other team getting through a few times .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2018, 02:17:30 AM
Liked .....although I've never seen a game were anybody stops the other team getting through a few times .

True.

We looked like two different teams in attack and defence at times, though, which was odd because of the extra man we had at the back.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gary1878 on December 27, 2018, 03:22:35 AM
We are going to always concede chances. Its how the team deal with those chances and how they are defended. It's how many saves, blocks, tackles and clearances that are made thats important, especially away from home.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on December 27, 2018, 04:03:03 AM
Reckon we should just jib off Goodison this season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on December 27, 2018, 05:34:13 AM
I must admit that I’ve been one of Bernard’s critics this season but he showed up today just like he did at Leicester, I’m hoping we see more of these types of performances from him in the second half of the season, well played Bernard lad
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2018, 05:38:57 AM
I must admit that I’ve been one of Bernard’s critics this season but he showed up today just like he did at Leicester, I’m hoping we see more of these types of performances from him in the second half of the season, well played Bernard lad

Yeah, he was great.

So intelligent, especially when he turns, and lets the ball run.

He looked dangerous whenever he roamed inside.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 27, 2018, 09:20:22 AM
The lads have just gone and got a 5-1 away from home

Massive that
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2018, 08:34:06 PM
Sounds like Brandsy has got the chequebook firmly shut this Jan. avoids mistakes I suppose, sometimes the smartest thing you can do is nothing!

I do worry about getting 7th tho tbh. Leicester with two huge results back to back, West Ham have had their best ever points from a prem month despite losing almost all their good players, and wolves and Watford continue to look decent!

Assuming no further investment, how confident do we feel?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on December 28, 2018, 09:03:05 PM
First team to lose by 4 goals at home then win by 4 goals in consecutive games
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on December 28, 2018, 09:26:20 PM
Sounds like Brandsy has got the chequebook firmly shut this Jan. avoids mistakes I suppose, sometimes the smartest thing you can do is nothing!

I do worry about getting 7th tho tbh. Leicester with two huge results back to back, West Ham have had their best ever points from a prem month despite losing almost all their good players, and wolves and Watford continue to look decent!

Assuming no further investment, how confident do we feel?

It should be close. I see West Ham and Watford as our closest competitors for 7th because they have the best management situations. Leicester definitely belong in the conversation but I worry less about them because their form has been erratic for awhile and Puel's position doesn't feel secure. Bournemouth are too weak defensively and I'm not bothered by Wolves at all.

I think doing nothing in January is sensible. Silva could be getting more out of this group of players, by reconfiguring the midfield and being a little more disciplined at times. He needs to do more with what he has before he gets to ask for reinforcements.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2018, 09:33:02 PM
It should be close. I see West Ham and Watford as our closest competitors for 7th because they have the best management situations. Leicester definitely belong in the conversation but I worry less about them because their form has been erratic for awhile and Puel's position doesn't feel secure. Bournemouth are too weak defensively and I'm not bothered by Wolves at all.

I think doing nothing in January is sensible. Silva could be getting more out of this group of players, by reconfiguring the midfield and being a little more disciplined at times. He needs to do more with what he has before he gets to ask for reinforcements.

Worry about West Ham but hopefully Anderson throws a wobbler soon. He looks a real talent, hopefully he lashes the towel in or they will continue to rise.

Leicester closest to us stylistically and squad quality?

They have Vardy the much better striker, we have Richarlison the much better wife forward etc.

Both play sssssemi posession based but retreat to hit it and quit it counter attack stuff when the heat is on.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2018, 10:29:43 PM
Sounds like Brandsy has got the chequebook firmly shut this Jan. avoids mistakes I suppose, sometimes the smartest thing you can do is nothing!

I do worry about getting 7th tho tbh. Leicester with two huge results back to back, West Ham have had their best ever points from a prem month despite losing almost all their good players, and wolves and Watford continue to look decent!

Assuming no further investment, how confident do we feel?

Is that Leicester who wanted to sack Puel a week ago? Nah, not remotely worried about them. City and Chelsea were both pretty poor against them. A normal City and Chelsea batter them. Same with West Ham. They've had some lovely fixtures recently. Wolves and Watford won't even enter the conversation imo.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2018, 10:44:14 PM
Is that Leicester who wanted to sack Puel a week ago? Nah, not remotely worried about them. City and Chelsea were both pretty poor against them. A normal City and Chelsea batter them. Same with West Ham. They've had some lovely fixtures recently. Wolves and Watford won't even enter the conversation imo.

Man you are so confident.

Yeah they’ve never really fell for puel, he’s doing marginally better than he did at Southampton but still lots of room for improvement.

We need to make the most out of our own lovely fixtures imo. So many missed opportunities as usual and we’re currently on pace for about 9th.

Our fixture list has got to be FAIRLY promising compared to the others, and I fancy us to improve the further we get into the year and silva gets more used to the side etc.

Our performances and results have us about where we deserve to be though, we will have to improve to finish 7th no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 28, 2018, 11:06:37 PM
I was overly harsh on Boxing Day, it was a great win with some sparkling forward play, and some fairly solid defensive work.

Coleman was much sounder than of late, Bernard and Digne were very good, and I thought Sigurdsson was far better deployed deeper, which I’d always hoped would be the case; my feelings on him in previous matches were if he’s played so far forward he might as well be given a shot as the #9

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on December 29, 2018, 10:23:18 PM
Why change a winning side ?.....think Silva shot himself in the foot ere.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 29, 2018, 10:47:59 PM
Silva needs to have a word with himself after this....we 've been shit since the Liverpool game burnley aside and I'm not convinced he knows what to do about it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on December 29, 2018, 10:56:29 PM
Is that Leicester who wanted to sack Puel a week ago? Nah, not remotely worried about them. City and Chelsea were both pretty poor against them. A normal City and Chelsea batter them. Same with West Ham. They've had some lovely fixtures recently. Wolves and Watford won't even enter the conversation imo.

Admire but don’t share your optimism.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on December 29, 2018, 11:08:38 PM
The three at the back are fine but you have to then have something going on in front of them, Gomes being poor and Richarlison throwing himself on the deck makes it a big ask. You need a Calvert Lewin or a Tosun up top to make the ball stick a bit
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on December 29, 2018, 11:24:38 PM
He's got plenty going for him. He speaks well. It's pretty clear that players respect him and enjoy working with him. That's a huge deal, as we've seen how toxic things can get when it isn't the case. It's also a nifty thing for recruitment purposes.

But I'm worried about Silva the tactician. Generally speaking, I don't think his gambles are worthwhile. We play high up the pitch but aren't that good at winning the ball there, which often leaves us exposed. We commit lots of men forward but attack mostly through the wide areas, which mostly leads to crosses and pretty much any well-organized defense can deal with those.

And he also makes weird decisions like today. The back three was fair enough against the two centre forwards of Burnley (it's nice to have a spare CB to sweep up) but made no sense at all against a lone striker today. And I'm not having the "don't change it if it works" philosophy because he did change it -- he dropped the target man (very important, we're a better side when DCL plays) and made a defensive swap in the middle of the park. If he was willing to change that, why can't he change the shape as well?

I think Silva deserves a full two seasons to work it out, provided he's not doing horrible things to the squad like the last three managers (this doesn't seem to be the case). But he does need to work some stuff out because his team selections are costing us points. This squad has its issues but it's too good to be swapping spots in the table with the likes of Wolves, Leicester, Watford, and West Ham each week. We should be creating distance from that pack.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on December 29, 2018, 11:42:58 PM
You can’t just give a manager two seasons regardless of the job he’s doing. You have to work in 6 month increments and assess where you’re heading at each window, whoever you are. Especially with a new stadium on the horizon.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2018, 12:00:42 AM
Quote
I think Silva deserves a full two seasons to work it out, provided he's not doing horrible things to the squad like the last three managers (this doesn't seem to be the case). But he does need to work some stuff out because his team selections are costing us points. This squad has its issues but it's too good to be swapping spots in the table with the likes of Wolves, Leicester, Watford, and West Ham each week. We should be creating distance from that pack.

Only thing I disagree with is the quality of the squad. I think there isn’t enough quality difference between us which means we need more manager influence to create separation from that group.

If it was a case that we were way too good to be in amongst them then I would be much, much harsher with my assessment of Silva.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2018, 01:43:27 AM
He's got plenty going for him. He speaks well. It's pretty clear that players respect him and enjoy working with him. That's a huge deal, as we've seen how toxic things can get when it isn't the case. It's also a nifty thing for recruitment purposes.

But I'm worried about Silva the tactician. Generally speaking, I don't think his gambles are worthwhile. We play high up the pitch but aren't that good at winning the ball there, which often leaves us exposed. We commit lots of men forward but attack mostly through the wide areas, which mostly leads to crosses and pretty much any well-organized defense can deal with those.

And he also makes weird decisions like today. The back three was fair enough against the two centre forwards of Burnley (it's nice to have a spare CB to sweep up) but made no sense at all against a lone striker today. And I'm not having the "don't change it if it works" philosophy because he did change it -- he dropped the target man (very important, we're a better side when DCL plays) and made a defensive swap in the middle of the park. If he was willing to change that, why can't he change the shape as well?

I think Silva deserves a full two seasons to work it out, provided he's not doing horrible things to the squad like the last three managers (this doesn't seem to be the case). But he does need to work some stuff out because his team selections are costing us points. This squad has its issues but it's too good to be swapping spots in the table with the likes of Wolves, Leicester, Watford, and West Ham each week. We should be creating distance from that pack.

Talks well but shit at tactics (management) Christ that’s a bit of a worry. Least we’ll like him too much to sack
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2018, 01:49:04 AM
Ww won't break away from any pack without a good goal scorer and with a Walcott.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on December 30, 2018, 02:27:18 AM
Not sure the tactics are shit as such he just can't seem to find something that consistently works yet. That's a worry but if he does find a formula then it will be great. His strength and his weakness right now is his willingness to change things
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on December 30, 2018, 02:33:15 AM
You can't just give a manager two seasons regardless of the job he's doing. You have to work in 6 month increments and assess where you're heading at each window, whoever you are. Especially with a new stadium on the horizon.
Disagree, we've done that and it hasn't worked, we keep chopping and changing and all it results in is huge squad changes and no continuity. Yes, if Silva goes 6 months with 1 or 2 wins then it'll need addressing, but you've got to expect ups and downs, especially as we're transitioning from a squad built around pretty direct managers in Koeman and Sam to a very attacking high press outfit. Silva is the man Moshiri wanted and we have to show some loyalty despite blips, this isn't just a change of personnel on the pitch its a cultural change and that takes time

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2018, 02:37:03 AM
Not sure the tactics are shit as such he just can't seem to find something that consistently works yet. That's a worry but if he does find a formula then it will be great. His strength and his weakness right now is his willingness to change things
We hated Martinez for carrying on with the same shit that wasn't working, same with Koeman, so although it obviously didn't work today, it's hard to knock Silva for experimenting, we created more in the first half today so something should have been learned, about today's game anyway.  If we land the players we need to push on we'll have to get used to rotation eventually.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 30, 2018, 02:39:09 AM
He’s only been in the job a few
months lolol
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2018, 02:43:25 AM
Disagree, we've done that and it hasn't worked, we keep chopping and changing and all it results in is huge squad changes and no continuity. Yes, if Silva goes 6 months with 1 or 2 wins then it'll need addressing, but you've got to expect ups and downs, especially as we're transitioning from a squad built around pretty direct managers in Koeman and Sam to a very attacking high press outfit. Silva is the man Moshiri wanted and we have to show some loyalty despite blips, this isn't just a change of personnel on the pitch its a cultural change and that takes time

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I’m not advocating ditching him, or even thinking about it. He deserved time at the start and nothing has really changed. I’m just challenging the notion that he should get an automatic two years, regardless of results.

With Brands at the helm the footballing side looks to be taken care of and the transfer policy thus far looks sensible. This should transcend managerial appointments, to a degree.

Which means it now takes the pressure off the club when making decisions on the manager/coach and the resulting upheaval we’ve seen the past few years. Financials notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2018, 07:19:10 AM
Our performances and results have us about where we deserve to be though, we will have to improve to finish 7th no doubt about it.

quality of chances created vs quality of chances conceded.

As good a metric as any for how we are playing outside of refs, or luck or poor finishing or whatever.

We are almost square in the middle. Bang on the average mark for the league, with 8 teams creating more going forward, and 9 better at keeping sides quiet.

It’s just where we are at the minute. Manager should get 3 windows imo, unless he has us in the shit which there doesn’t appear to be any danger of.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2018, 05:17:09 PM
A lot of people flip flopping with their opinions game to game.

Nothing has changed mine as I completely expected what’s happened this season.

Get used to games like yesterday because we’re a long way off going there and taking three points at ease.

Any talk about him being under pressure or anything of the sort is absolutely ridiculous.

Could things be better this season? Well, yes.

Have things improved? Yes. In fact, things have improved a lot more than they’ve worsened.

We’re heading in the right direction and we have to keep some faith.

No point throwing the toys out the pram because we’ve took a 1-0 loss to Brighton away. We’ve been losing these games for the last 15 years, why should silva find a formula six months into the job?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2018, 05:20:10 PM
Improvement is all we could ask this year, not in terms of league position, maybe not but in terms of seeing a brighter future definitely..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2018, 07:03:06 PM
Still pretty certain that we'll finish 7th like.

Our fanbase is so short-term and neurotic, than any single defeat is met with derision and massive criticism of the team and the manager. I find our fans more dispiriting than the team or the manager, a lot of the time.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2018, 07:03:56 PM
Still pretty certain that we'll finish 7th like.

Our fanbase is so short-term and neurotic, than any single defeat is met with derision and massive criticism of the team and the manager. I find our fans more dispiriting than the team or the manager, a lot of the time.

Quite delusional as well I think, our fans.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2018, 07:04:20 PM
Playing with 3 centre backs makes me feel a bit safer when we overload players in attacks, we’re less likely to get done on the break.

The problem yesterday was going forward, the wide attackers underperformed, the midfield was weak and Richarlison was dominated.

There didn’t seem to be a plan to attack with a system that suited the starting eleven and we just ended up playing into Brighton’s hands.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2018, 07:04:50 PM
Quite delusional as well I think, our fans.

To think we'll finish 7th? Only 2 points off that position.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Escla on December 30, 2018, 07:13:20 PM
To think we'll finish 7th? Only 2 points off that position.

Think he means that those who expected us to finish much higher than 7th are delusional.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2018, 07:16:10 PM
Think he means that those who expected us to finish much higher than 7th are delusional.

It's a little dig at me, because I'm very confident we'll finish above Leicester, Bournemouth etc.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
To think we'll finish 7th? Only 2 points off that position.

No the expectation thing, we win one or two and the expectations soar, we lose one or two and hells bells break loose.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2018, 07:29:00 PM
Think he means that those who expected us to finish much higher than 7th are delusional.

This. And even 7th will be a stretch.

We have been average all year. It’s just going to take more time than they’ve had so far.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2018, 07:58:57 PM
The thing is why is it delusional to expect the club to perform well vs spend ? I reckon we must be in the top 4 highest net spenders in the last 3 or 4 years so why shouldn't expectations be that we beat some of the shit we 've played recently ?

The truth is we perform so badly vs spend because of the recent history of mismanagement and poor transfer decisions.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2018, 08:04:57 PM
The thing is why is it delusional to expect the club to perform well vs spend ? I reckon we must be in the top 4 highest net spenders in the last 3 or 4 years so why shouldn't expectations be that we beat some of the shit we 've played recently ?

The truth is we perform so badly vs spend because of the recent history of mismanagement and poor transfer decisions.

Yeah but you can almost discount all spend up til last summer.

In jan we spent 27m on cenk, he’s not even getting on the bench now and we’re likely going to get rid at a loss.

In the summer we spent like £18m on digne and he’s now one of our best players.

Anything pre brands has to be written off. We started this with a bloated, aging squad full of old shite players on big contracts, and some young players with not enough prem mins to know if they can make the grade.

It’s going to take time to get this side out the mud. The worry is if Leicester, Wolves, Watford etc. move quicker.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on December 30, 2018, 08:08:39 PM
The problem yesterday was going forward, the wide attackers underperformed, the midfield was weak

This a key area we need to improve and Silva has already said he wants more from his wingers/wide attackers. Can see Walcott and Lookman being moved on ASAP. Walcott does not do enough to justify the outlay and Lookman doesn't appear to really have a future here. We really need to get someone like Felipe Anderson - someone out wide who will offer 10 goals a season. Richarlison is on target for that, but none of the others stand a chance at present and coupled with a lack of quality up top, we will continue to lose games like yesterday.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2018, 08:16:02 PM
We have a real issue in attacking positions. Our wingers are shite and we don’t have a forward. Things would look a hell of a lot better if we just played lookman and richarlison on the wings and played an actual forward up top. Bernard hasn’t been nearly good enough. Walcott has regressed from okay to horrendous and richarlison is wasted upfront most of the time

Think he’s getting 2 major decisions wrong with playing Walcott and where he’s playing richarlison

Also where’s lookman? Be gutted if he’s sold.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
Bernard will come good..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2018, 10:55:46 PM
Yeah but you can almost discount all spend up til last summer.

In jan we spent 27m on cenk, he’s not even getting on the bench now and we’re likely going to get rid at a loss.

In the summer we spent like £18m on digne and he’s now one of our best players.

Anything pre brands has to be written off. We started this with a bloated, aging squad full of old shite players on big contracts, and some young players with not enough prem mins to know if they can make the grade.

It’s going to take time to get this side out the mud. The worry is if Leicester, Wolves, Watford etc. move quicker.
Agree with the bulk of this but you can't just discount all that spend as some of the players brought in have quality meaning we should be starting from a half decent starting point rather than from scratch.

That said the use of such a large amount of money so badly has to be up their with some of the worst value spends in prem history.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheTone on December 30, 2018, 10:58:48 PM
Bernard will come good..

And we'll finish 6th
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2018, 11:18:11 PM
And we'll finish 6th
He's quality and puts the effort in, it's just not all come together yet for him, would put hard earned on that it will.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2018, 11:32:13 PM
He's quality and puts the effort in, it's just not all come together yet for him, would put hard earned on that it will.
Hope you are right
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2018, 11:37:56 PM
Hope you are right
I might be unhinged though because i  think the 3 centre halves will come good as well..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2018, 11:40:32 PM
I might be unhinged though because i  think the 3 centre halves will come good as well..
That's the spirit !
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on December 31, 2018, 03:03:35 AM
Think he means that those who expected us to finish much higher than 7th are delusional.
I don’t know any fan who expected us to finish higher than 7th.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on December 31, 2018, 04:12:33 AM
All I wanted this season was recruitment of young, exciting players in the 19-25 age range, that have the chance to increase their value and improve our short and long-term prospects, and a manager that is dilligent, detailed, and progressive in his coaching of the team, with a strong focus on man management.

So far I haven’t been let down at all.

However, it still fucking hurts like crazy when we don’t win, play poorly, or have rotten luck.

Being realistic but still being gutted when we don’t succeed are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on December 31, 2018, 03:21:31 PM
Think as usual people go way over the top. We are inconsistent but only 5 teams in the country aren't.

It might sound like a pathetic excuse but we have factor in the amount of football played over Christmas.

Other teams like West ham spurs and Leicester have dropped points against inferior teams after good performances before.

We have also had to contend with 2 further factors. Probably the most traveling time (half the prem having 2 away games and half having 2 home games on 26th and 29th/30th is ridiculous). Also, we have had the least rest time between the festive games out of all the 20 clubs (alongside spurs, who had their 2 middle games at home).

These small details matter at the elite level. Even more so when we are not one of the top teams.

The biggest disappointments this season have been the home games against Newcastle and Watford. They were the dropped points for me.

Early games against Huddersfield and West ham we had barely any new players in.


Anyone with eyes can see that the difference between us this season and last season. It's night and day for me. Just need flesh it out, be a bit more consistent. But as others have said it will take more transfer windows for that to happen.

Throw in a digne style rb and a finisher and another cm who can box to box and we are a proper team all o
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Escla on December 31, 2018, 03:42:38 PM
I don’t know any fan who expected us to finish higher than 7th.
Didn’t mean to like, meant to say there were a few on here looking for top 4, but you’re right, you probably don’t know them.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2018, 04:32:47 PM
Didn’t mean to like, meant to say there were a few on here looking for top 4, but you’re right, you probably don’t know them.

There was people on here saying we should get 6th about a month ago.

Every summer we have people saying challenge the top 4. Every single summer.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on December 31, 2018, 04:38:52 PM
Think as usual people go way over the top. We are inconsistent but only 5 teams in the country aren't.

It might sound like a pathetic excuse but we have factor in the amount of football played over Christmas.

Other teams like West ham spurs and Leicester have dropped points against inferior teams after good performances before.

We have also had to contend with 2 further factors. Probably the most traveling time (half the prem having 2 away games and half having 2 home games on 26th and 29th/30th is ridiculous). Also, we have had the least rest time between the festive games out of all the 20 clubs (alongside spurs, who had their 2 middle games at home).

These small details matter at the elite level. Even more so when we are not one of the top teams.

The biggest disappointments this season have been the home games against Newcastle and Watford. They were the dropped points for me.

Early games against Huddersfield and West ham we had barely any new players in.


Anyone with eyes can see that the difference between us this season and last season. It's night and day for me. Just need flesh it out, be a bit more consistent. But as others have said it will take more transfer windows for that to happen.

Throw in a digne style rb and a finisher and another cm who can box to box and we are a proper team all o

Also think that run of away games against the top 6 has stopped us gaining any kind of momentum.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on December 31, 2018, 04:40:24 PM
There was people on here saying we should get 6th about a month ago.

Every summer we have people saying challenge the top 4. Every single summer.
The way utd were faltering 6th felt a decent target for a period.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on December 31, 2018, 04:41:55 PM
Didn’t mean to like, meant to say there were a few on here looking for top 4, but you’re right, you probably don’t know them.

Other factor is that if you finish 7th then more often than not you’ll have “7th” performances ie good in patches, slightly above average for the most part, and poor patches too.

You’re also unlikely to have linear form across the season.

And then on a purely points level you’re likely to end up winning less games than you don’t win. And draws for us against anyone bar top 6 are seen as poor results.

People have to keep that in mind when assessing the season so far.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: everton15 on December 31, 2018, 04:43:40 PM
And we'll finish 6th
and win the FA CUP............. :badum:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 31, 2018, 08:53:54 PM
I like the 3 at the back, I think it suits us. Less likely to be punished by a counter attack (which has caught us out a few times) and they should eat up all long balls thrown at us.

Going forward we’re a threat from set pieces and Digne and Coleman also have a bit more freedom down the flanks.

It worked for Chelsea two seasons ago, but the main ingredient (aside from them all being brilliant players) was the target man, Costa. If we play this formation we either need DCL or Tosun, as they’re the only players we have who can come close to holding it up.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 01, 2019, 12:38:01 AM
Bang out three wins at home against Leicester, Lincoln and Bournemouth and everyone will be buzzing, and we'll move beyond a rough December.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on January 01, 2019, 01:12:55 AM
Bang out three wins at home against Leicester, Lincoln and Bournemouth and everyone will be buzzing, and we'll move beyond a rough December.

Really worried about Lincoln
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on January 01, 2019, 08:20:09 PM
Seriously getting worried after another horrible home performance when the away team rested some of their best players. 'Transitional' only buys you so much patience.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 01, 2019, 08:34:12 PM
Seriously getting worried after another horrible home performance when the away team rested some of their best players. 'Transitional' only buys you so much patience.

How much? Put it in context of you walking into a car crash of a business and being asked to be part of the team that turns it around. Would you want/need more than a few months?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on January 01, 2019, 08:41:10 PM
How much? Put it in context of you walking into a car crash of a business and being asked to be part of the team that turns it around. Would you want/need more than a few months?
I suppose everyone's biting point will be different but I don't see the direction or signs of improvement. Other teams always seem to do more with less and the players are looking less and less motivated.

I do feel that we as fans have fallen into the habit of making too many excuses for performances that are simply not good enough.

I was expecting ups and downs but not such a poor sustained period and what worries me is the minimal chages he makes actually seem to make us worse. You can't say what we have seen over the last month is better than last year ? It's not and no matter how much we don't like to admit it it's worse atm and we are in free fall.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 01, 2019, 08:44:20 PM
How much? Put it in context of you walking into a car crash of a business and being asked to be part of the team that turns it around. Would you want/need more than a few months?

We finished 8th last season. Spent more money than most. Invest more in wages too. Was it really a car crash? There’s a hell of a lot of teams went into this season with less. Was it really a car crash?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 01, 2019, 08:46:48 PM
Transition means change.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 01, 2019, 08:48:06 PM
Transition means change.

not really much change, when you consider Silvas win record for hull was 19%, 33% for Watford and now its 33% for us.

Silvas keeping up his stats.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 01, 2019, 08:48:31 PM
We finished 8th last season. Spent more money than most. Invest more in wages too. Was it really a car crash? There’s a hell of a lot of teams went into this season with less. Was it really a car crash?

You need to make your mind up. I was u see the impression you thought 99% of the squad was “vile shite”, “a bit shit” etc etc etc etc.

I wasn’t quoting you because to be honest I could have just guessed 1 of your 3 standard replies.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mac934 on January 01, 2019, 08:50:03 PM
There is no sign of improvement or a plan. There are glaring issues throughout the team. If nothing is done to rectify any of them during January I will lose faith in the management team completely. Today's performance is yet another gutless display of ineptitude on a par with much of the last 2-3 seasons.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on January 01, 2019, 08:52:21 PM
I think we need to look at ourselves in some of this. Is it a coincidence that managers come to us with a good reputation, fuck up, get sacked then do well somewhere else? Appreciate its a 2 way street, but we are terrible supporters and Goodison must be a terrible place to play

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 01, 2019, 08:52:50 PM
I suppose everyone's biting point will be different but I don't see the direction or signs of improvement. Other teams always seem to do more with less and the players are looking less and less motivated.

I do feel that we as fans have fallen into the habit of making too many excuses for performances that are simply not good enough.

I was expecting ups and downs but not such a poor sustained period and what worries me is the minimal chages he makes actually seem to make us worse. You can't say what we have seen over the last month is better than last year ? It's not and no matter how much we don't like to admit it it's worse atm and we are in free fall.

I think there’s a massive problem in that we really overrate our side and underrate our competitors. Just because we overpaid doesn’t make them good.

I’m not actually questioning your doubts, just interested in the rationale behind Xmas being the limit. Personally I’ve really dialled it back from giving managers a few years to mould the team, I’m more on board with the 12 month reflecting on points and performance.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 01, 2019, 08:53:38 PM
You need to make your mind up. I was u see the impression you thought 99% of the squad was “vile shite”, “a bit shit” etc etc etc etc.

I wasn’t quoting you because to be honest I could have just guessed 1 of your 3 standard replies.

I don’t think we are very good. I do think we should at least be a little better than we are.

Also we’ve signed quite a few under this manager. So some of the responsibility of them not being very good has to fall on him.

Still painfully unbalanced. Not sure of the logic of adding Bernard and Gomes to Walcott and sigurdsson. Silva clearly doesn’t like any of our strikers so who carries the can for not signing 1?

Look for me entertainment is secondary to results. It’s barely anymore entertaining despite the money invested and we are actually lower in the league.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 01, 2019, 08:55:06 PM
I think there’s a massive problem in that we really overrate our side and underrate our competitors. Just because we overpaid doesn’t make them good.

I’m not actually questioning your doubts, just interested in the rationale behind Xmas being the limit. Personally I’ve really dialled it back from giving managers a few years to mould the team, I’m more on board with the 12 month reflecting on points and performance.

Agree with this

Our biggest problem is we have loads of shite hyped up players

Walcott. Went to the World Cup at 13 and played for arsenal (he’s shite)
Sigurdsson. Fantastic stats (he’s shite)
Gomes. Played for Barcelona and is a super hunk (he’s shite)
Bernard. Cost 40m once and played for Brazil (he’s shite)
Pickford. Player of the year great World Cup (shite)
DCL scored the winner in the u20s World Cup (vile shite. He’s genuinely terrible while the others are just overhyped)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mac934 on January 01, 2019, 08:55:53 PM
I think we need to look at ourselves in some of this. Is it a coincidence that managers come to us with a good reputation, fuck up, get sacked then do well somewhere else? Appreciate its a 2 way street, but we are terrible supporters and Goodison must be a terrible place to play

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Well give us something to cheer about! There's not many better atmospheres than a bouncing Goodison. But there is no spark or anything to cheer about at the moment is there?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 01, 2019, 08:57:50 PM
Shame Marco never came last season when anyone could have got our squad to eighth.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 01, 2019, 08:57:52 PM
Agree with this

Our biggest problem is we have loads of shite hyped up players

Walcott. Went to the World Cup at 13 and played for arsenal (he’s shite)
Sigurdsson. Fantastic stats (he’s shite)
Gomes. Played for Barcelona and is a super hunk (he’s shite)
Bernard. Cost 40m once and played for Brazil (he’s shite)
Pickford. Player of the year great World Cup (shite)
DCL scored the winner in the u20s World Cup (vile shite. He’s genuinely terrible while the others are just overhyped)

The bird jibbed you off?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on January 01, 2019, 08:58:32 PM
I think there’s a massive problem in that we really overrate our side and underrate our competitors. Just because we overpaid doesn’t make them good.

I’m not actually questioning your doubts, just interested in the rationale behind Xmas being the limit. Personally I’ve really dialled it back from giving managers a few years to mould the team, I’m more on board with the 12 month reflecting on points and performance.
Tbh I would happily give a couple of seasons IF things seem to be going in the right direction but I'm yet to see it if I'm honest and I think we should be doing better with the players we have.

This last month has been not good enough and I don't think we have improved from last year.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on January 01, 2019, 09:01:27 PM
There's clearly a plan we just aren't implementing it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: duncandisorderly on January 01, 2019, 09:01:43 PM
A bit concerning, for the 2nd consecutive game we've lost a game we've been the better side in. I like the way he has us playing at times but it's been poor since the Derby defeat, bar the Burnley game. One of the critcisms of Silva by the Watford fans was that he couldn't stop the slide when it started to go wrong. Think we're seeing a bit of that to be honest, he doesn't seem to have another way of playing, it's all gone very Martinez like at the moment. Yes it's a season of transition but that doesn't give him a free pass to keep fucking it up, he's got to arrest this slide and show us he's the man to take us forward.

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 01, 2019, 09:01:59 PM
The bird jibbed you off?

No she’s been out the last couple of games so I’ve “treated” myself to watching the games.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 01, 2019, 09:05:08 PM
No she’s been out the last couple of games so I’ve “treated” myself to watching the games.

Unfortunate the way you only seem to watch us when we lose.

Because when we win you don’t really have much to say.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 01, 2019, 09:10:36 PM
Unfortunate the way you only seem to watch us when we lose.

Because when we win you don’t really have much to say.

I’m just content when we win. We were great against Burnley. Watched Watford too that was shite

Surely the truth is this really isn’t any more entertaining than last season if you remove the 2 or 3 exceptions and that’s with investment and results are worse.

Do you not agree this is far from good enough and there’s been very few good performances

Watched Liverpool too that was quite good until the end. There’s really not been much to be happy about this season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on January 01, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
Unfortunate the way you only seem to watch us when we lose.

Because when we win you don’t really have much to say.
Gotta be honest and say there's not been many plus points so far tbf.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blueToffee on January 01, 2019, 09:17:36 PM
I have some sympathy for Sllva. I'd understand that people think it's an excuse when you mention luck, but I think he's been let down by individuals pretty frequently this season. Anytime we look to build momentum be it in a game or over a few games there is another silly error, or another refereeing decision that knocks us back and when confidence is fragile it really doesn't take much to set us off course.

Both the Brighton and Leicester games should've ended as a draw. We didn't do enough to win them really but I don't think we particularly deserved to lose them either. You can build on draws and solidity though. When we're getting nothing from these games, there are adjustments to try and proactively fix something and nothing ever seems settled or that we're building momentum.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 01, 2019, 09:24:01 PM
I’m just content when we win. We were great against Burnley. Watched Watford too that was shite

Surely the truth is this really isn’t any more entertaining than last season if you remove the 2 or 3 exceptions and that’s with investment and results are worse.

Do you not agree this is far from good enough and there’s been very few good performances

Watched Liverpool too that was quite good until the end. There’s really not been much to be happy about this season


I don’t know why you keep going on about investment. Brands was tasked with the job of reducing the wage bill.

We’ve spent big transfer fees on players but they were only allowed to come in at the expense of players going out.

Brands and silva inherited a very unbalanced, ageing squad and had the tenor of reducing the wage bill, reducing the age, whilst also improving the quality of the players.

It’s not a remit that brings immediate results. Adding six players alone brings its own problems and the manager needs time to find the right blend.

I’m not interested in comparing this season to the one just gone. We were a complete irrelevance, treading water waiting for the season to end and start a completley new process.

Results could and should be better, but when you take over a team that has finished 11th, 11th, 7th and 8th over the last four season I fail to see why people expect anything much better.

If results are the same this time next season and we find ourselves in the same position, then that’s the time to ask serious questions.

Until then, give the manager time to work out the squad, find the right blend of players and bring in some more to hopefully improve us as a unit.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 01, 2019, 09:24:38 PM
There's clearly a plan we just aren't implementing it.

This is an archetypal NSNO post; hinting that you see more than the rest of us but stopping short of explaining it to us.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 01, 2019, 09:29:16 PM
I don’t know why you keep going on about investment. Brands was tasked with the job of reducing the wage bill.

We’ve spent big transfer fees on players but they were only allowed to come in at the expense of players going out.

Brands and silva inherited a very unbalanced, ageing squad and had the tenor of reducing the wage bill, reducing the age, whilst also improving the quality of the players.

It’s not a remit that brings immediate results. Adding six players alone brings its own problems and the manager needs time to find the right blend.

I’m not interested in comparing this season to the one just gone. We were a complete irrelevance, treading water waiting for the season to end and start a completley new process.

Results could and should be better, but when you take over a team that has finished 11th, 11th, 7th and 8th over the last four season I fail to see why people expect anything much better.

If results are the same this time next season and we find ourselves in the same position, then that’s the time to ask serious questions.

Until then, give the manager time to work out the squad, find the right blend of players and bring in some more to hopefully improve us as a unit.



I don’t disagree. I don’t want silva sacked, we can’t afford yet another manager and I’m not even saying silva is the wrong man anyway

All I’m saying is that so far it’s been pretty dreadful

I get the 11th 11th 7th 8th point but the counter argument for that is the dreadful standard of them managers. If he’s par with koeman allardyce and Martinez we have a major problem.

I don’t have high expeditions. I do think 7th and playing decent football was reasonable though. As it stands it looks like we’ll more likely be adding another 11th to that list rather than a 7th
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 01, 2019, 09:39:25 PM
3 windows with the emphasis that it should be crystal clear where we’re going at that point.

In the meantime there’s nothing to worry about really. Just a boring season of middling results and frustrating performances.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 01, 2019, 09:45:01 PM
Harsh to judge Silva at this point but you can form impressions after half a season. It may be all good when his team is in place but at the moment I get the impression that making the best of what's at his disposal is not his strong point.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 01, 2019, 09:48:16 PM
Gotta be honest and say there's not been many plus points so far tbf.

Only if you want to lose sight.

We’ve improved the quality of the squad whilst reducing the age, and wage bill.

We’ve looked a lot better defensively as a unit.

In Richarlison we’ve added a potential superstar.

Going forward we are a lot better and attack as a unit.

There’s been massive improvements in Sigurdsson and Keane.

Spurs game aside we haven’t took any hidings. How many times last season were we completely out the game by half time?

Performances away from home have improved massively and we’ve actually competed with the top teams.

I think people are losing sight at just how bad we’ve been over the last four seasons.

What we’re seeing over the last couple of games is no worse than what’s gone before.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 01, 2019, 09:51:44 PM
Only if you want to lose sight.

We’ve improved the quality of the squad whilst reducing the age, and wage bill.

We’ve looked a lot better defensively as a unit.

In Richarlison we’ve added a potential superstar.

Going forward we are a lot better and attack as a unit.

There’s been massive improvements in Sigurdsson and Keane.

Spurs game aside we haven’t took any hidings. How many times last season were we completely out the game by half time?

Performances away from home have improved massively and we’ve actually competed with the top teams.

I think people are losing sight at just how bad we’ve been over the last four seasons.

What we’re seeing over the last couple of games is no worse than what’s gone before.



Especially the last bit.

This isn’t a team with a settled side (including Barkley; Lukaku etc).

We’ve finished top 7 once in last 4 years as opposed to only finished outside of top 7 once since 2006 when Martinez took over in 2013.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 01, 2019, 09:52:19 PM
If we’re assuming January will be quiet, as indicated, what has Silva got in mind to arrest this poor run of form?

It all seems very similar from game to game at the moment, with no real indication as to how we get back to how we started to look in November.

It needs an injection of motivation or something different on the training ground to arrest this slump. Which with four defeats in the last five is what it is.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on January 01, 2019, 10:10:22 PM
Well give us something to cheer about! There's not many better atmospheres than a bouncing Goodison. But there is no spark or anything to cheer about at the moment is there?

But we need to give something back, it was like a morgue again today, absolutely nothing. The fans have just as big of a part to play as the players yet our heads go down faster than any other team in the league. I know its not great, but you see the impact a supportive set of fans have on the team at most other matches
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on January 01, 2019, 10:17:04 PM
But we need to give something back, it was like a morgue again today, absolutely nothing. The fans have just as big of a part to play as the players yet our heads go down faster than any other team in the league. I know its not great, but you see the impact a supportive set of fans have on the team at most other matches

the argument can be made of why should the fans give something back when the team isnt, good performances would get the crowd going but its hard to get excited when we witness performances like this week in week out
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 01, 2019, 10:18:21 PM
But we need to give something back, it was like a morgue again today, absolutely nothing. The fans have just as big of a part to play as the players yet our heads go down faster than any other team in the league. I know its not great, but you see the impact a supportive set of fans have on the team at most other matches

Today is the worst kick off time in the season but it’s hardly an exception.

We pay ourselves on the back when a “bear pit” atmosphere happens once every 2 years or something.

But generally it’s not a “supportive” atmosphere.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Polledreng on January 01, 2019, 10:21:32 PM
the argument can be made of why should the fans give something back when the team isnt, good performances would get the crowd going but its hard to get excited when we witness performances like this week in week out
But you want the players to work there socks off when things is going right... clearly doesn't apply to our fans or ???
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mac934 on January 01, 2019, 10:23:08 PM
But you want the players to work there socks off when things is going right... clearly doesn't apply to our fans or ???
But we need to give something back, it was like a morgue again today, absolutely nothing. The fans have just as big of a part to play as the players yet our heads go down faster than any other team in the league. I know its not great, but you see the impact a supportive set of fans have on the team at most other matches
The fans give their hard earned cash every time they go through the turnstiles. So, to say we need to give something back doesn't ring true. We already have done. It's the teams and managers responsibility to show the fans something to cheer about.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 01, 2019, 10:24:27 PM
But you want the players to work there socks off when things is going right... clearly doesn't apply to our fans or ???

They are getting 100k a week  each to work. The fans pay 30 quid to be entertained. There’s no comparison
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Polledreng on January 01, 2019, 10:24:49 PM
The fans give their hard earned cash every time they go through the turnstiles. So, to say we need to give something back doesn't ring true. We already have done. It's the teams and managers responsibility to show the fans something to cheer about.
I wouldn't call my self a fan with that attitude. Think you should choose the cinema or the theater… We are in it together
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Polledreng on January 01, 2019, 10:26:11 PM
They are getting 100k a week  each to work. The fans pay 30 quid to be entertained. There’s no comparison
go to the theater if you are only there for the entertaiment.. Buy the way you know its more than 30 quid ??
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 01, 2019, 10:30:12 PM
But we need to give something back, it was like a morgue again today, absolutely nothing. The fans have just as big of a part to play as the players yet our heads go down faster than any other team in the league. I know its not great, but you see the impact a supportive set of fans have on the team at most other matches

The fans I imagine are, in the main, just a bit deflated after seeing false dawn after false dawn over the past few years. I’m sure most would love to muster up the enthusiasm to make Goodison rocking again but it’s the hope and expectation that kills you.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 01, 2019, 10:32:38 PM
We go though the ups and downs with every win and every loss, like normal, but we all know deep down that this season is a freebie for Silva, barring a total disaster.

Get 3 transfer windows behind Brands and Silva to get their own core of players in, get their ideas drilled into the squad and hit the ground running next season. We’ve had an almost completely new team for the last two seasons.

Take the Spurs game out of it and we’ve been losing points to mistakes at the back or lack of quality in front of goal. It’s only really the last two games where we haven’t created anything and that could be down to the amount of games played recently.

I’m annoyed but I’m not overly worried. There’s a few things to do, like find a striker or two, find the best positions for Bernard, Sigurdson etc to play, cut out the mistakes at the back, sign Gomes or a similar playmaker.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on January 01, 2019, 10:38:56 PM
Created more than them again (I put the stats in the match thread also )...luck is low at the min and we need a forward to get a good run of games imho ....but again for the doubters...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on January 01, 2019, 10:41:22 PM
Created more than them again (I put the stats in the match thread also )...luck is low at the min and we need a forward to get a good run of games imho ....but again for the doubters...

u do realise we only had 2 shots on target, so what exactly are we creating?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on January 01, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
 :bonk:
u do realise we only had 2 shots on target, so what exactly are we creating?

A fucking dam sight more than any team under Allardyce or Koeman..it's glaringly obvious as my previous post stated we need a forward to get a proper run of games ...
but if  you only read what suits you good day to you. ...every other stat we were on top in that game ...one silly mistake cost us.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: markB on January 01, 2019, 10:51:21 PM
:bonk:
A fucking dam sight more than any team under Allardyce or Koeman..it's glaringly obvious as my previous post stated we need a forward to get a proper run of games ...
but if  you only read what suits you good day to you. ...every other stat we were on top in that game ...one silly mistake cost us.

stats and watching it do not line up, are you really happy with are attacking play
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 01, 2019, 10:54:32 PM
Xg would like up. We were shite but isn’t a massive deal. Not the first time this year wont be the last.

I will say he does have to be aware that any big slides will inevitably make his job a lot harder so he needs to find something functional and pragmatic to get results on the board to have us 7-8th end of the year.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 01, 2019, 10:55:51 PM
Our attacks were crap today and against Brighton.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on January 01, 2019, 10:56:51 PM
:bonk:
A fucking dam sight more than any team under Allardyce or Koeman..it's glaringly obvious as my previous post stated we need a forward to get a proper run of games ...
but if  you only read what suits you good day to you. ...every other stat we were on top in that game ...one silly mistake cost us.

another stat that we came out second best in was goals thats the only stat that counts or does that one not fit your narrative?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on January 01, 2019, 10:59:23 PM
stats and watching it do not line up, are you really happy with are attacking play

Like I said earlier ....'twice' ..we are creating we need somebody to start using/taking the chances created simple really ?.....if you sit with blinkers on not 'watching' what's actually happening around you ...yeah we never scored so lost ....but that doesn't tell the full story ,it only feeds the kneejerkers .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on January 01, 2019, 11:04:21 PM
another stat that we came out second best in was goals thats the only stat that counts or does that one not fit your narrative?

Typical wum response ....read again we 'are' creating we need a forward...ffs ..do you need it in brail ...as for narrative im a supporter of Everton actually watching a game not just seeing my arse and throwing my toys cos we lost ...so need no narrative thanks . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 01, 2019, 11:12:46 PM
Like I said earlier ....'twice' ..we are creating we need somebody to start using/taking the chances created simple really ?.....if you sit with blinkers on not 'watching' what's actually happening around you ...yeah we never scored so lost ....but that doesn't tell the full story ,it only feeds the kneejerkers .

You seem to have a rather generous interpretation of the word chance. If we consider a chance as merely putting the ball into an area where a forward may be standing on another day then it has little relevance. Their 'keeper never dived all day. Chances schmances.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on January 01, 2019, 11:23:12 PM
You seem to have a rather generous interpretation of the word chance. If we consider a chance as merely putting the ball into an area where a forward may be standing on another day then it has little relevance. Their 'keeper never dived all day. Chances schmances.

A proper goalscorer taps that Bernard cross in.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 01, 2019, 11:26:34 PM
Probaby an unpopular statement but I’m not seeing much evidence in Silva’s Premier League career to date, over three clubs, that he’s the man we should have gone out on a limb for.

Of course I’d love to be proved wrong but with a talented side, and despite a few areas it’s not as bad as some make out, we still don’t look as if we have much of an idea of what to do to make the move from mid table mediocrity.

He deserves the season minimum due to the investment made in him but the second half of the campaign we need to start seeing some evidence of consistency, in both play and results, regardless of any additions this month.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 01, 2019, 11:30:28 PM
Probaby an unpopular statement but I’m not seeing much evidence in Silva’s Premier League career to date, over three clubs, that he’s the man we should have gone out on a limb for.

Of course I’d love to be proved wrong but with a talented side, and despite a few areas it’s not as bad as some make out, we still don’t look as if we have much of an idea of what to do to make the move from mid table mediocrity.

He deserves the season minimum due to the investment made in him but the second half of the campaign we need to start seeing some evidence of consistency, in both play and results, regardless of any additions this month.

He’s looked potentially exciting at clubs that are in total disarray but that’s it.

The point of this project is that we get to see what he’s like when someone gives him time, freedom and money.

We’re not in long enough to say one way or another.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 01, 2019, 11:47:29 PM
Not the first time this year

Actually it is :woohoo:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 01, 2019, 11:50:12 PM
Probaby an unpopular statement but I’m not seeing much evidence in Silva’s Premier League career to date, over three clubs, that he’s the man we should have gone out on a limb for.

Of course I’d love to be proved wrong but with a talented side, and despite a few areas it’s not as bad as some make out, we still don’t look as if we have much of an idea of what to do to make the move from mid table mediocrity.

He deserves the season minimum due to the investment made in him but the second half of the campaign we need to start seeing some evidence of consistency, in both play and results, regardless of any additions this month.

My thoughts exactly from when we were 1st linked, right up until today.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2019, 11:51:22 PM
We’re far better than we were under Koeman and Allardyce, lads, or at least we will be.

By that I mean once it all clicks and we get better and more suited players in, we will have more chance of progressing than we had under the narrow, archaic percentage football under the gruesome twosome, and the tabloid style player recruitment of Walsh.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 01, 2019, 11:54:37 PM
We have to give him time. When we employed him we did it on the strength of a record that was open to interpretation. We took a bit of a gamble knowing that the up-side could be very good.
We could have expected to see a bit more evidence of his influence in performances and results but that hasn't happened yet. However, he's attracted good players and managed his one transfer window very well. We knew what we were getting was a little bit of an unknown quantity and therefore, knew our resolve may be tested. No point taking a gamble and losing our nerve within the first eighteen months.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Polledreng on January 02, 2019, 12:25:03 AM
u do realise we only had 2 shots on target, so what exactly are we creating?
but our best chance was Kenny and it isn't counted as on target… Love those stats
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2019, 12:30:28 AM
Probaby an unpopular statement but I’m not seeing much evidence in Silva’s Premier League career to date, over three clubs, that he’s the man we should have gone out on a limb for.

Of course I’d love to be proved wrong but with a talented side, and despite a few areas it’s not as bad as some make out, we still don’t look as if we have much of an idea of what to do to make the move from mid table mediocrity.

He deserves the season minimum due to the investment made in him but the second half of the campaign we need to start seeing some evidence of consistency, in both play and results, regardless of any additions this month.

Got relegated with hull and Watford are better this season without him. We seemed to have gambled an awful lot of a complete punt

Not convinced in the slightest and the defence of him seems to be that we need a right back a play maker and a striker etc etc etc. I guess if we spend enough we might become an okay team but there’s no sign of silva making us better than the sum of the parts
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 02, 2019, 12:48:13 AM
I think we need to look at ourselves in some of this. Is it a coincidence that managers come to us with a good reputation, fuck up, get sacked then do well somewhere else? Appreciate its a 2 way street, but we are terrible supporters and Goodison must be a terrible place to play

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I disagree with this totally. We have not got in a top class manager, the last 3 managers have all done ok ish at other clubs, then they came to the biggest clubs they have ever been at.. we should have went and got a top class manager, who has been there and done it.. someone with experience at playing at the top level.
Silva looks as lost as Martinez did, the players just don't seem up for it, they haven't since the Liverpool match, regardless of if its a hangover from that match or something else, he (Silva) should be able to motivate his team.

today was as bad as big sam in charge, the difference is under big sam, we played the long ball game so most of our passes were off anyway...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: markB on January 02, 2019, 12:49:21 AM
Typical wum response ....read again we 'are' creating we need a forward...ffs ..do you need it in brail ...as for narrative im a supporter of Everton actually watching a game not just seeing my arse and throwing my toys cos we lost ...so need no narrative thanks . :thumbsup:

I am at the game every week I can get there and a good few away games

and would that be sitting on my arse you would mean

throwing my toys cos we lost lol I would not have many left then would I
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 02, 2019, 12:51:06 AM
We’re far better than we were under Koeman and Allardyce, lads, or at least we will be.

By that I mean once it all clicks and we get better and more suited players in, we will have more chance of progressing than we had under the narrow, archaic percentage football under the gruesome twosome, and the tabloid style player recruitment of Walsh.

Being heralded for playing a more expansive game than Koeman or Allardyce is akin to being damned by faint praise. Both managers were responsible for some awful football...but still managed 7th and 8th.

It’s great that we look to have moved on from that but the second half of this season is where we now need to see some evidence that he can balance it out and mould a competitive side.

We have comfortably the most talented side probably since Martinez season one, so the next few months it’s not unreasonable to expect to see things start to progress and move forwards with a little more consistency.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 02, 2019, 12:52:29 AM
Got relegated with hull and Watford are better this season without him. We seemed to have gambled an awful lot of a complete punt

Not convinced in the slightest and the defence of him seems to be that we need a right back a play maker and a striker etc etc etc. I guess if we spend enough we might become an okay team but there's no sign of silva making us better than the sum of the parts

Slight propaganda. He took over a rock bottom Hull in January, improved them and nearly kept them up.

He got sacked at Watford when they were 10th in the league, now they’re a lofty 9th.

Also, conveniently ignored the three clubs he managed before these. He’s had 6 months at us, put the knives away.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2019, 12:58:53 AM
Being heralded for playing a more expansive game than Koeman or Allardyce is akin to being damned by faint praise. Both managers were responsible for some awful football...but still managed 7th and 8th.

It’s great that we look to have moved on from that but the second half of this season is where we now need to see some evidence that he can balance it out and mould a competitive side.

We have comfortably the most talented side probably since Martinez season one, so the next few months it’s not unreasonable to expect to see things start to progress and move forwards with a little more consistency.

It’s about the long-term, though.

Implementing a coaching style like Silva’s is far more likely to deliver long-term success than the archaic methods and tactics employed by the other two.

Whether that long-term success is delivered by Silva is very much up for debate, however the club is moving in the right direction by going down this modern path, and then if Silva doesn’t work out we already have a club and a core group of players that are already versed in these types of training and tactical methods.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2019, 01:03:12 AM
Slight propaganda. He took over a rock bottom Hull in January, improved them and nearly kept them up.

He got sacked at Watford when they were 10th in the league, now they’re a lofty 9th.

Also, conveniently ignored the three clubs he managed before these. He’s had 6 months at us, put the knives away.


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Watford were in freefall. The knives aren’t really out. Just saying he’s unproven and has done very little so far to prove himself here

I’m happy for him to get time. He should start next season barring a terrible second half to this season. However we are surely allowed to say it’s been shit so far from him
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on January 02, 2019, 01:08:44 AM
I disagree with this totally. We have not got in a top class manager, the last 3 managers have all done ok ish at other clubs, then they came to the biggest clubs they have ever been at.. we should have went and got a top class manager, who has been there and done it.. someone with experience at playing at the top level.
Silva looks as lost as Martinez did, the players just don't seem up for it, they haven't since the Liverpool match, regardless of if its a hangover from that match or something else, he (Silva) should be able to motivate his team.

today was as bad as big sam in charge, the difference is under big sam, we played the long ball game so most of our passes were off anyway...
Koeman had managed Benfica, Ajax, PSV and Valencia and was Barca assistant manager, not to mention his playing stats. Allardyce was England manager, albeit for 1 game, this isn't a massive step up for either of them and you could argue its not even their biggest jobs?

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 02, 2019, 01:22:17 AM
It’s about the long-term, though.

Implementing a coaching style like Silva’s is far more likely to deliver long-term success than the archaic methods and tactics employed by the other two.

Whether that long-term success is delivered by Silva is very much up for debate, however the club is moving in the right direction by going down this modern path, and then if Silva doesn’t work out we already have a club and a core group of players that are already versed in these types of training and tactical methods.

Of course it’s about remodelling a tired old squad and making it fit for purpose and he quite rightly gets a free swing the first six months to settle in.

However the second half of the season has to have some form of expectations attached to it, surely. He’ll obviously see the season out all I’m pointing out is that the next six months have to evidence some form of tangible progress to evaluate against in the summer.

Maybe we’ll see it, hopefully so, but it’s not as if it’s a given that it’ll happen. The fact the jury is still out on him isn’t looking at things negatively, it’s just where we’re at presently.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 02, 2019, 01:44:53 AM
Watford were in freefall. The knives aren't really out. Just saying he's unproven and has done very little so far to prove himself here

I'm happy for him to get time. He should start next season barring a terrible second half to this season. However we are surely allowed to say it's been shit so far from him

It’s patchy. Promising and disappointing. He certainly needs to do better with the players we have, but it’s not shite.

Points-wise we are the same as last season, but last season’s style of play was never going to push us higher than 7th. We’re adopting a new style that the people in charge of the club have identified as the style they think we can push for Europe with in the seasons to come.

The squad is younger, quicker and more talented. We’ve gave the top clubs a proper fight in our games this season, we’ve just lacked the quality or made a mistake, whereas last season we were waiting for a bumming.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 02, 2019, 02:07:11 AM
But we need to give something back, it was like a morgue again today, absolutely nothing. The fans have just as big of a part to play as the players yet our heads go down faster than any other team in the league. I know its not great, but you see the impact a supportive set of fans have on the team at most other matches

While I agree ("supporter" should mean more than the Americanized "fan"), this is at least partly an inevitable by-product of bringing in a charlatan like Allardyce, no matter how temporarily.  It was desperate and embarrassing.  People are know much more cynical and skeptical as a result.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on January 02, 2019, 02:09:29 AM
While I agree ("supporter" should mean more than the Americanized "fan"), this is at least partly an inevitable by-product of bringing in a charlatan like Allardyce, no matter how temporarily.  It was desperate and embarrassing.  People are know much more cynical and skeptical as a result.
Allardyce isn't the problem, been like it for years

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 02, 2019, 02:11:10 AM
Allardyce isn't the problem, been like it for years

I was thinking it was much worse this season than 2+ years ago, but I defer to you actually being on the ground.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on January 02, 2019, 02:14:44 AM

To be fair I've always thought of it being one of the more quiet stadiums and we are the most fickle fans, however, like people have alluded to, on certain occasions its a very special place but it's far too infrequent imo

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2019, 02:28:06 AM
Of course it’s about remodelling a tired old squad and making it fit for purpose and he quite rightly gets a free swing the first six months to settle in.

However the second half of the season has to have some form of expectations attached to it, surely. He’ll obviously see the season out all I’m pointing out is that the next six months have to evidence some form of tangible progress to evaluate against in the summer.

Maybe we’ll see it, hopefully so, but it’s not as if it’s a given that it’ll happen. The fact the jury is still out on him isn’t looking at things negatively, it’s just where we’re at presently.

Mate, we’ve been abysmal since Moyes left in reality, and we were getting gradually more stale under him for his last three years.

So, one bounce season with Martinez apart (where we scored an abnormal amount of wonder strikes) we have been a mixture of average to shite for the last nine years.

Giving a new manager, who has a completely different managerial style and coaching outlook to the previous incumbents, just 8-9 months and two transfer windows to turn us around both in terms of results and whilst trying to implement a more attacking and progressive type of football reeks of short-termism.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on January 02, 2019, 02:31:43 AM
I am at the game every week I can get there and a good few away games

and would that be sitting on my arse you would mean

throwing my toys cos we lost lol I would not have many left then would I

Seeing my/your arse. .is a colloquial term for getting upset ....good for you being at the game as much as possible ....actually try to watch the game ....don't just base the match on the outcome or no manager would last five minutes ....you claim you go  enough to have seen us play well and lose before.....although today wasn't that, we were still better than our opponents who scored through a mistake . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 02, 2019, 02:41:25 AM
Mate, we’ve been abysmal since Moyes left in reality, and we were getting gradually more stale under him for his last three years.

So, one bounce season with Martinez apart (where we scored an abnormal amount of wonder strikes) we have been a mixture of average to shite for the last nine years.

Giving a new manager, who hhas a completely different managerial style and coaching outlook  to the previous incumbents, just 8-9 months and two transfer windows to turn us around both in terms of results and whilst trying to implement a more attacking and progressive type of football reeks of short-termism.

I’m asking what are our expectations for the next six months and if it’s reasonable to expect to see some consistency of play and results in this time.

If as you say we’ve been stagnating for the past decade (I’d argue it’s more like 30 years) then are we expecting too much from any manager we have to buck that trend, in the face of the competition ahead of us?

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2019, 03:22:18 AM
I’m asking what are our expectations for the next six months and if it’s reasonable to expect to see some consistency of play and results in this time.

If as you say we’ve been stagnating for the past decade (I’d argue it’s more like 30 years) then are we expecting too much from any manager we have to buck that trend, in the face of the competition ahead of us?



I feel you on the 30 years comparatively to our mid 80’s success, but we were doing pretty good for a four or five year period under Moyes (albeit still surrendering meekly to the Shite, Chelsea, Arsenal, and United)

I think it’s reasonable to expect stylistic consistency in the next four to five months, and to get to the position where we are creating more good chances per game than we are giving up in the vast majority of matches that we play.

I still expect there to be inconsistency in the results, but if the performances are there I will be happy.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 02, 2019, 04:47:48 AM
I have only two objective goals for this season:

1) Finish in the top half of the Table; and
2) Beat the Shite at Goodison

Anything else is gravy.  Yes, I left out "Cup run" as I would probably punt it.  We showed this past week we don't do well with a compressed schedule, and I would worry about added exposure to injury.

Everything else is subjective (laying the foundation), and we won't have any idea how to evaluate until the next 2-3 seasons.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: bluenuck on January 02, 2019, 07:01:44 AM
I think his playbook is all used up... until personnel changes are made.

Last two games have shown how teams not in the top 6 will play us, and they’ve both nailed it. Any team with any sort of decent structure and decent players will play like Leicester and bright did all day long and just wait for that mistake or set piece goal.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2019, 01:46:33 PM
He does have to find a way to start getting points or life will get very tough for him with fume/press. Maybe loan an OK cm and start 3 in the middle.

If you crowd Gomes then we’ve no midfield, and hitting the ball to wide forwards and hoping it sticks isn’t working.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 02, 2019, 02:44:43 PM
I think he's caught in a dilemma now as his preferred way of playing, with the players we have, isn't working. Sam thought he only had one way of getting points with his set of midfielders and it led to a dire set up but it worked better, points-wise, to a degree.

He needs to fashion a system out of the talent we undoubtedly have. Just persevering with the same is clearly easy to play and get a result against.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on January 02, 2019, 03:24:54 PM
Personally, I think we lack an identity as a football club; we have no ingrained style. Been that way since Moyes left really, but you can put that down to having 4 managers in relatively quick succession.

The worry I have is that the teams below us, although they don't have quality on the ball, they are willing to fight for their lives and make it hard for teams, and the teams above us have the quality to open teams up and attack with ease. We don't seem to have either; we exist in this football vacuum. Christ, most of our players cannot make a pass 5 yards to another player in blue, let alone score enough goals to overturn deficits.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on January 02, 2019, 04:09:43 PM
Silva’s biggest problem is Sigurdsson for me.

In the 4-2-3-1 that we’re playing the number 10 needs to be demanding the ball and dictating play, and that’s not who Sigurdsson is. He’s obviously a very good player but he works best by drifting in and out of games and being on the end of a move rather than the creator.

I don’t think Silva is flexible enough to build a system that works with Sigurdsson, but I also don’t think he has the balls to drop a player that cost that much.

We’ll continue to be ineffective, but Sigurdsson’s individual stats will look good as they have done for his whole career.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 02, 2019, 06:04:44 PM
Silva’s biggest problem is Sigurdsson for me.

In the 4-2-3-1 that we’re playing the number 10 needs to be demanding the ball and dictating play, and that’s not who Sigurdsson is. He’s obviously a very good player but he works best by drifting in and out of games and being on the end of a move rather than the creator.

I don’t think Silva is flexible enough to build a system that works with Sigurdsson, but I also don’t think he has the balls to drop a player that cost that much.

We’ll continue to be ineffective, but Sigurdsson’s individual stats will look good as they have done for his whole career.

He needs someone who can play the pass into him when he finds space, or makes the run in behind....and since losing Barry we haven't had a midfielder who can do it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 02, 2019, 06:09:57 PM
I thought kenny actually moved the ball a bit quicker than Coleman has been, and he was a bit more proactive about moving the ball forwards.

Coleman has fallen into a terrible pattern of taking 3 touches instead of one, and then playing back to Keane. Oh and then complaining about not having any options.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on January 02, 2019, 06:13:51 PM
I thought kenny actually moved the ball a bit quicker than Coleman has been, and he was a bit more proactive about moving the ball forwards.

Coleman has fallen into a terrible pattern of taking 3 touches instead of one, and then playing back to Keane. Oh and then complaining about not having any options.

It's a slight case of rose tinted glasses with Kenny because Coleman has been so laborious.

Although he did play the ball faster, Kenny had the worse pass accuracy on the pitch at something like 34%.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on January 02, 2019, 06:21:44 PM
Oh and then complaining about not having any options.

Several times Kenny held his arms out in frustration when he had the ball and no options in front of him.

I think people are trying to see a performance that wasn't there. He didn't put in claim for the place if Coleman has been dropped rather than just rested.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2019, 06:35:35 PM
We are insanely static going forward with no passing options. Say what you like about Gana on the ball he at least wants it. Same for Rooney last year and Barkley the year before. Players should hunt out the ball or make runs in behind and atm we don’t have either in good positions.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2019, 07:50:50 PM
Paul Joyce isn't particularly impressed with Silvas playbook.

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The wording in the statement when Marco Silva lost his job as a Premier League manager 12 months ago could not have been clearer.

At the same time he was being jettisoned by Watford, the finger was being pointed at Everton for having made an illegal approach to the Portuguese which had an unsettling effect on him and his team’s performances.

The Vicarage Road board stated there had been “a significant deterioration in both focus and results to the point where the long-term future of Watford has been jeopardised”.

Silva’s side have only won three league games since the end of October

The fall-out from that furore, who spoke to whom and when, remains given Silva eventually pitched up at Goodison Park and is likely to be subject of Premier League sanctions.

Everton could face a hefty fine from the authorities, but, more pressingly, the club will be wondering if their interest in Silva did not lead to Watford’s downturn. What if Watford were wrong, and the problems there ran deeper, were more fundamental, than Silva’s head supposedly being turned?

Everton’s abject New Year’s Day defeat to Leicester City continued an alarming rut of form under Silva which has yielded just three league wins since the end of October.

It also maintains a trend during the 41-year-old’s time in England. When he joined Hull City two years ago this month, there was an immediate upturn in their battle against relegation.

Hull claimed 17 points from their first 11 matches under Silva as he sought to implement his ideas, raising hopes of avoiding relegation. But instead of momentum being maintained, they collected four points from the remaining seven games and slipped through the trapdoor. He headed for the exit with them.

At Watford, it was 21 points from 13 games and then five from the next 11, something his employers back then blamed on Everton’s unwanted advances. Now, at Goodison Park, Silva has taken 18 points from his first 11 matches as manager and nine from the next ten.

It is a pattern which promotes the notion that Silva’s methods and preferred style of play are quite quickly worked out by opponents.

Silva would be irked by that suggestion. He did not take kindly to questions regarding what progress, if any, he has overseen since his appointment in the summer after it was pointed out Everton boast the same amount of points — 27 — as at this time last season when they were already on their third manager in Sam Allardyce after Ronald Koeman and the interim David Unsworth.

He swatted that query aside and said it was only important to tot up points at the end of the campaign which is true enough. That stance demands that there is now an improvement.

The idea was for Everton to be aggressive in their pressing, perform on the front foot and play attractive, attacking football. Everything predecessor Allardyce was not.

However, after some encouraging displays and the hint of promise albeit some of that came in defeat, Everton have flatlined and it was alarming to hear the manager talk about his players being “nervous” and “anxious” when losing to Leicester at home.

Their goal difference is zero with a lack of goals allied to a porous backline which has not kept a clean sheet since the win over Cardiff City on November 24.

The lack of a proven striker continues to anchor ambition but, having known that was the case last season also, the focus was on buying Richarlison, who was poor against Claude Puel’s side, and defensive reinforcements in the summer instead.

It was always going to take more than one summer transfer window for Everton’s limitations to be addressed and Silva and the director of football, Marcel Brands, have said attacking reinforcements are unlikely to come this month because only clubs who are desperate buy in this mid-season transfer window.

Right now that point has not been reached. Everton are certainly not in crisis, although with Lincoln City to come in the FA Cup this weekend the potential to be plunged deeper into despair is there.

After four managers since May 2016, the plan is to give Silva time. Farhad Moshiri, the owner, will know it is not a good look to be seen to deal only in short-termism. Silva must realise that, too.

He is not under pressure, but he will be feeling the heat, and needs to show he can orchestrate a lasting revival and not simply elicit new manager bounce. That means coaxing more from a squad of players who are not good enough to make the top six, but who should not be languishing in tenth position.

Saturday marks the second anniversary of Silva’s arrival in English football at the KCOM Stadium. Three jobs in and, in many respects, we are still trying to work out just what kind of manager he is.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/marco-silva-must-prove-he-can-elicit-more-than-new-manager-bounce-at-everton-dtmqnmxgn
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on January 02, 2019, 08:21:13 PM
Nervous and anxious at Goodison

The Everton virus strikes again
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2019, 08:23:08 PM
Christ is that true. The same points as this time last season? Koeman and unsworn were both disasters and allardyce was the least popular of the 3. Silva is managing to match them with all that supposed extra quality added to the squad

Also the striker thing is a real issue for me. Koeman and/or Walsh took a lot of blame for not signing a forward last season. Silva clearly doesn’t rate any of our forwards yet we tried even less to sign 1 this season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2019, 08:24:37 PM
I think the solution is to pack the middle of the pitch, much like Leicester did yesterday.

Sigurdsson playing so high up isn't doing much for us. It limits our passing options through the middle during build-ups and leaves our midfield exposed without the ball because we don't win it back in our opponents' third very often. Fortunately, it should be an easy fix. If Silva doesn't want to drop Sigurdsson, he can position him further back so he can get on the ball more and help protect our defense. Or if we want even more defensive sturdiness, especially against quality opposition, he can bring Davies into the team for Sigurdsson.

We have solid evidence that the league has worked out how to play against the 4-2-4. We managed to get one nice result with the 5-2-3 but that still leaves us exposed in the middle and makes it hard for us to control the game (Brighton were able to take advantage of this). The next step is to try a proper 4-3-3, where all three midfielders play deeper with and without the ball. If that means buying a new midfielder this January then so be it (this continues to be the position that requires the most improvement, not CF or RB).

I've seen plenty of criticism of our front three but I'll back Richarlison-DCL-Walcott/Bernard/Lookman to score enough to get us good results given more of a foothold in the middle of the park and more territorial control over matches.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2019, 08:38:15 PM
Paul Joyce isn't particularly impressed with Silvas playbook.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/marco-silva-must-prove-he-can-elicit-more-than-new-manager-bounce-at-everton-dtmqnmxgn

Liverpool fan though, so who gives a fuck.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2019, 08:40:17 PM
@kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) the worry is that he doesn’t seem to see it like that yet, or is unwilling or unable to try it.

Very strange considering how often he’s said himself that 4-3-3 is his preferred formation.

I would sleep a lot better at night if we had another centremid worth playing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2019, 08:54:03 PM
Christ is that true. The same points as this time last season? Koeman and unsworn were both disasters and allardyce was the least popular of the 3. Silva is managing to match them with all that supposed extra quality added to the squad

Also the striker thing is a real issue for me. Koeman and/or Walsh took a lot of blame for not signing a forward last season. Silva clearly doesn’t rate any of our forwards yet we tried even less to sign 1 this season.

I know it's been remarked on before, but it is a bit mad how you've popped back up at the low point in the season. Massively coincidental, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2019, 08:56:56 PM
Liverpool fan though, so who gives a fuck.

Yeah, he should just concentrate on announcing Fekir..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2019, 08:58:36 PM
Yeah, he should just concentrate on announcing Fekir..

He's well informed and good at getting info, no doubt. But I'm not interested in the analysis of Everton by any Liverpool fan, in a professional capacity or otherwise.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2019, 08:59:58 PM
He's well informed and good at getting info, no doubt. But I'm not interested in the analysis of Everton by any Liverpool fan, in a professional capacity or otherwise.

Completely agree, bro.

It was just a reference to how he was bombarded with that reply every time he tweeted anything this summer.

The fucking bad bellends.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
@kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) the worry is that he doesn’t seem to see it like that yet, or is unwilling or unable to try it.

Very strange considering how often he’s said himself that 4-3-3 is his preferred formation.

I would sleep a lot better at night if we had another centremid worth playing.

Yeah, I don't know what to make of the choices he's been making recently.

I'd argue that our best performances this season have been the times we've been down a man (sitting a little deeper, staying organized, punishing teams on the counterattack, all allegedly Silva features from his time in Portugal and Greece) and the Chelsea match (if I recall correctly, we worked very hard to shut down the middle of the pitch that day). So there's some evidence there of what he might tweak to make us more effective. But it's definitely a bit odd that he's tried adding another defender over what are arguably simpler adjustments.

He's not going anywhere so the best we can hope for us is that he makes the right changes and soon.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2019, 09:08:31 PM
I know it's been remarked on before, but it is a bit mad how you've popped back up at the low point in the season. Massively coincidental, I'm sure.

Haha, the NSNO Angel Of Death
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2019, 09:13:25 PM
Liverpool fan though, so who gives a fuck.

Not even find this a little interesting “likely to be subject of Premier League sanctions”?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2019, 09:16:24 PM
Not even find this a little interesting “likely to be subject of Premier League sanctions”?

We're Everton. We were born with Premier League sanctions.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 02, 2019, 09:20:30 PM
He needs to start making some brave decisions if we are to find a system that works. He can't keep on trying to shoehorn the usual suspects into a team that can't seem to keep a clean sheet, we're just too easy to play against. I know it won't sit well with a lot of fans but we need to set up to keep it a lot tighter in the middle and hit teams on the break. At least until we get players who can play his way.

If we don't get those players in this month and he still continues to stick with a system that doesn't work for us then the boo boys will be out sooner rather than later.



























Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2019, 09:35:32 PM
He needs to start making some brave decisions if we are to find a system that works. He can't keep on trying to shoehorn the usual suspects into a team that can't seem to keep a clean sheet, we're just too easy to play against. I know it won't sit well with a lot of fans but we need to set up to keep it a lot tighter in the middle and hit teams on the break. At least until we get players who can play his way.

If we don't get those players in this month and he still continues to stick with a system that doesn't work for us then the boo boys will be out sooner rather than later.

He seems to have the sort of personality where players will run through walls for him. He could absolutely get this group to commit to a cagier style and we'd probably control more games and win more points that way.

I'm not sure how likely we are to assemble a team of "players who can play his way" if "his way" is this 4-2-4 business. You need serious quality from the two midfielders to make that system work. They both need to be strong defensively (watch any of our recent matches in this setup to get an idea of how much space the midfield two needs to cover) and at least one of them has to have genuine quality on the ball.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2019, 09:46:04 PM
He seems to have the sort of personality where players will run through walls for him. He could absolutely get this group to commit to a cagier style and we'd probably control more games and win more points that way.

I'm not sure how likely we are to assemble a team of "players who can play his way" if "his way" is this 4-2-4 business. You need serious quality from the two midfielders to make that system work. They both need to be strong defensively (watch any of our recent matches in this setup to get an idea of how much space the midfield two needs to cover) and at least one of them has to have genuine quality on the ball.

Think part of the problem (and it’s repeated in much of the nationals) is that there’s this clamour for “attacking” football.

We’ve been better away from home as it is more acceptable to be compact and then exploit the space (see Leicester - side note a bit odd that journalists and pundits haven’t got on to the fact that Leicester aren’t good vs dross as they can’t sit and play on the break).

But at home, with all the furore last year of what is “expected” I think it’s been drummed into Silva that he must be seen to be having a go.

Spurs game is a good example.

We played as if we were playing Fulham, say, whereas we should have approached it like an away game and kept it tight in the middle.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a bit of a remit to get the most out of Sig given the outlay etc.

With all that there needs to be less of the melodrama that we seem to wheel out every season as soon as things not going exactly to plan, to allow those sorts of tweaks to be made without any extra pressure other than what is inherent with the job.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Normm on January 02, 2019, 10:26:34 PM
So many players look tired and off-form. Gomez needs a rest and is way off his best. Gana was certainly missed in midfield. Digne has been most consistent and class. Keane has certainly improved on last year's form. Altogether, we have obviously lost our way and the Christmas period allows little room for recovery. So, now it's time to get the train back on the rails.

I look back to the form we had before the international break when we began to play with quality and as a team, getting fairly good results. Even in the game against Liverpool we were matching them until the fluke goal right at the end. We had some great play against Burnley, but that was a bit deceptive. Against Leicester, there were so many back passes and sideways passes it was like watching rugby.  That's got to stop. There must be more movement up front and players in midfield not always looking to play it safe, but knowing where and how to pass the ball with anticipation. They same goes for intercepts - Gana anticipates and sets a great example.

Now we go again. The team knows what it can achieve when they all play with belief. They just need that grit and determination. I believe Silva can turn this form around and do well for the rest of the season. It's still a work in progress. Patience will be rewarded.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2019, 11:42:21 PM
The guy stop bunching is back with more good Everton content

https://stopbunching.blogspot.com/2019/01/how-to-fix-everton-part-1.html?m=1

Edit : part two :

https://stopbunching.blogspot.com/2019/01/how-to-fix-everton-part-2-attacking.html?m=1
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 03, 2019, 12:55:18 AM
It's a slight case of rose tinted glasses with Kenny because Coleman has been so laborious.

Although he did play the ball faster, Kenny had the worse pass accuracy on the pitch at something like 34%.

That stats lower than I would have guessed for sure, wonder what his passing stats where like compared to Coleman in terms of crosses and passes around the 18 yard box.

Is there anywhere that has that kind of info?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mouse on January 03, 2019, 01:06:19 AM
Between work, family Christmas and mostly off the grid in the Lakes for a week I haven't seen a game since Newcastle. Not often I feel lucky missing Goodison but December seems to have been a nightmare. I'm resisting the temptation to catch up on shite we have been and holding on to the belief  that we are just 6 months and one transfer window into a new regime. I hope that's not mindless optimism.

It's easy to forget what it was like watching Allardyce's idea of football on a cold winters night.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 03, 2019, 01:07:44 AM
I know it's been remarked on before, but it is a bit mad how you've popped back up at the low point in the season. Massively coincidental, I'm sure.

It’s pretty much all been a low point other than an odd game here and there.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: bluenuck on January 03, 2019, 01:46:58 AM
The guy stop bunching is back with more good Everton content

https://stopbunching.blogspot.com/2019/01/how-to-fix-everton-part-1.html?m=1

Edit : part two :

https://stopbunching.blogspot.com/2019/01/how-to-fix-everton-part-2-attacking.html?m=1

Part 2 makes a ton of sense. Always liked that about Barkleys game. The driving forward.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2019, 01:57:16 AM
Part 2 makes a ton of sense. Always liked that about Barkleys game. The driving forward.

Yeah same!

Turn on the ball in the middle of the park and drive 30-40 yards into the opposition half.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 03, 2019, 02:01:07 AM
Free the 3.......centre backs, he was on to something.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: bluenuck on January 03, 2019, 02:03:25 AM
Yeah same!

Turn on the ball in the middle of the park and drive 30-40 yards into the opposition half.

Yup. Sometimes the end product wasn't there, and that was frustrating, but just that turn and drive alone would be massive right now.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2019, 02:03:31 AM
Part 2 makes a ton of sense. Always liked that about Barkleys game. The driving forward.

It’s made me miss him even more
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2019, 02:12:08 AM
missing Barkley HAHAHAHHA
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2019, 02:21:45 AM
He walks into this side and makes us a lot better imo.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 03, 2019, 02:30:23 AM
He walks into this side and makes us a lot better imo.


If Only..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 03, 2019, 02:32:22 AM
Barkley?

Fucking hell.

Criticised in the press by yet another one of his managers just two days ago.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 03, 2019, 02:34:17 AM
It’s pretty much all been a low point other than an odd game here and there.

Do you sometimes look at yourself in the mirror and wonder if maybe you're everything that's wrong with modern day fans?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 03, 2019, 02:35:21 AM
Barkley?

Fucking hell.

Criticised in the press by yet another one of his managers just two days ago.
He'd be ok if he would just come home..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 03, 2019, 02:35:59 AM
He'd be ok if he would just come home..

No doubt. He's a big fan of playing at Goodison as I recall.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on January 03, 2019, 02:36:56 AM
Barkley has done a Barkley, a few good games, got the hype going then dropped off. Only issue now is Chelsea have a better squad and that's why his game time has been limited lately. He's always struggled for consistency and looks like he always will

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 03, 2019, 02:41:30 AM
Barkley has done a Barkley, a few good games, got the hype going then dropped off. Only issue now is Chelsea have a better squad and that's why his game time has been limited lately. He's always struggled for consistency and looks like he always will

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He'll fit right in then...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2019, 02:42:10 AM
Barkley only did those drives forward on the odd occasion and often ended up checking his run and passing sideways or backwards.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 03, 2019, 02:43:05 AM
Yeah same!

Turn on the ball in the middle of the park and drive 30-40 yards into the opposition half.

Not sure he did that for a while to be fair.

I’d say that big improvement in 16/17 was for getting on the ball in final third and keep playing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2019, 02:46:14 AM
missing Barkley HAHAHAHHA

Him and Lukaku were great together.

We really miss a player of Barkley’s type, and a striker that can finish.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2019, 02:50:00 AM
Not sure he did that for a while to be fair.

I’d say that big improvement in 16/17 was for getting on the ball in final third and keep playing.

I’m being nostalgic here man leave me be.

Left foot shots into the top bin. What a player.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on January 03, 2019, 02:50:38 AM
Him and Lukaku were great together.

We really miss a player of Barkley's type, and a striker that can finish.
We have more than enough creativity in the team to replace Barkley imo, we have nothing to replace Lukaku and that's the big problem

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2019, 02:51:30 AM
Barkley only did those drives forward on the odd occasion and often ended up checking his run and passing sideways or backwards.

Who needs him when we have Andre Gomes who creates literally 5x fewer chances per 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 03, 2019, 02:52:01 AM
Do you sometimes look at yourself in the mirror and wonder if maybe you're everything that's wrong with modern day fans?


Not really. When I look in the mirror I see nothing but my beauty

Look there’s nothing overly dramatic about this. We are having an extremely disappointing season so far

Find it a little odd that you think me complaining we are a bit crap all that’s wrong but I assume much of this forums comments on the last manager more acceptable. Each to their own though
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2019, 02:52:13 AM
We have more than enough creativity in the team to replace Barkley imo, we have nothing to replace Lukaku and that's the big problem

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What creativity are you talking about? We create less than Southampton.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 03, 2019, 02:52:33 AM
I’m being nostalgic here man leave me be.

Left foot shots into the top bin. What a player.

Haha.

Yeah the driving forward and wellying it in was what he stopped doing and is still missing.

I do agree with the other stuff though.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2019, 02:53:01 AM
We have more than enough creativity in the team to replace Barkley imo, we have nothing to replace Lukaku and that's the big problem

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Yeah, to a certain extent.

I reckon Bernard could provide that ball carrying link that we need.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2019, 02:58:55 AM
Who needs him when we have Andre Gomes who creates literally 5x fewer chances per 90 minutes.

I never mentioned Gomes but Barkley didn't do these mythical 30-40 yard drives or left footers into the top corner on a regular basis.

He's made his decision and gone so there's no point dreaming what might have been, although as the seasons tick by it's become unlikely he'll ever become the player people thought he would.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2019, 03:00:28 AM
Boss when he got webbed in salt dogs though.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 03, 2019, 03:02:05 AM
Chelsea fans comments tonight:

Isn't Ross Barkley supposed to be a "creative" player in the midfield? Never see him make a clever pass to open defences! Why does David Luiz and Rudiger have to make the killer pass, if Barkley is supposed to the "creative one"
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on January 03, 2019, 03:02:11 AM
What creativity are you talking about? We create less than Southampton.
I think players like Bernard, Sig, Walcott, Richarlison and Gomes all have the capability to be much more creative, its been our achilles heel since Rom went, we haven't got anything up top to give any of them confidence. It reminds me of kids football, we've got a set of good players and some wank up top, it drags the others down as they don't want to pass to the wank as inevitably they'll fuck it up.
I don't think it's rocket science, if Sig etc thought there was a chance he could run off DCL/Niasse/Tosun and get the ball back or get put through on goal they would, the fact is they're probably thinking if they make the run they'll be out of position and exposed when they fuck up and lose it, so they don't.

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2019, 03:06:03 AM
I never mentioned Gomes but Barkley didn't do these mythical 30-40 yard drives or left footers into the top corner on a regular basis.

He's made his decision and gone so there's no point dreaming what might have been, although as the seasons tick by it's become unlikely he'll ever become the player people thought he would.

Yeah I’m just being a knob sorry, I wouldn’t even want Barkley back, imagine his terrible positional discipline in that midfield. Like lashing petrol on a fire that.

We do miss some of the stuff he can do though, and it’s silly to suggest he didn’t or that we don’t. Open play chances, dribbling, generally wanting the ball in the midfield and wanting to make something happen, and yeah progressing the ball up the pitch by running.

I said the Gomes thing because the perception of him as a useless bastard with no end product vs the reality that he was a good player who didn’t reach his tremendous potential is so marked when you think of the impact Gomes has had on our team (and fans).
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2019, 03:10:32 AM
Barkley burned WAY more bridges (to me) than Lukaku did.  If we want to daydream about shit that won't happen, I'd rather Rom back, thanks.

Don't think Ross has the mental agility to run what Marco wants.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2019, 03:11:58 AM
I think players like Bernard, Sig, Walcott, Richarlison and Gomes all have the capability to be much more creative, its been our achilles heel since Rom went, we haven't got anything up top to give any of them confidence. It reminds me of kids football, we've got a set of good players and some wank up top, it drags the others down as they don't want to pass to the wank as inevitably they'll fuck it up.
I don't think it's rocket science, if Sig etc thought there was a chance he could run off DCL/Niasse/Tosun and get the ball back or get put through on goal they would, the fact is they're probably thinking if they make the run they'll be out of position and exposed when they fuck up and lose it, so they don't.

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Right i see. Well none of them besides Bernard has ever shown the ability to regularly create chances from open play at anything like a high level so it seems to be a dreadful coincidence that they can’t do it for Everton due to our strikers.


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 03, 2019, 03:20:30 AM
What strikers?
Title: Re: Silva's Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on January 03, 2019, 03:27:54 AM
Right i see. Well none of them besides Bernard has ever shown the ability to regularly create chances from open play at anything like a high level so it seems to be a dreadful coincidence that they can't do it for Everton due to our strikers.
It's different opinions I suppose, granted a few might be via set pieces, but Sigs stats are up there with big chances created and like you said Bernard also is creative. But I don't think it's a coincidence that they tail off at Everton and not just cause we don't have a striker, but also alluded to in a different conversation I think the atmosphere at Goodison and in general from us isn't conducive to creating a good and positive environment for players to thrive

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 03, 2019, 03:38:32 AM
Yeah I’m just being a knob sorry, I wouldn’t even want Barkley back, imagine his terrible positional discipline in that midfield. Like lashing petrol on a fire that.

We do miss some of the stuff he can do though, and it’s silly to suggest he didn’t or that we don’t. Open play chances, dribbling, generally wanting the ball in the midfield and wanting to make something happen, and yeah progressing the ball up the pitch by running.

I said the Gomes thing because the perception of him as a useless bastard with no end product vs the reality that he was a good player who didn’t reach his tremendous potential is so marked when you think of the impact Gomes has had on our team (and fans).

Of course Barkley was playing as one of the front 3 in 16/17, especially Jan to Apr period (with Davies often the further forward CM/10).
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Tinga on January 03, 2019, 05:40:00 PM
What playbook?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thomas on January 03, 2019, 05:44:01 PM
For me he needs to bin off that front 3 formation.

I know its old school and possibly denialism but I'd love to see 442 or 2 forwards up top.

He needs to make subs earlier and find a player to replace Gana who does more than just tackle and block passes. Our fans make Gana sound like Roy Keane. He's ok for where we are but if we want to get better....

Also Silva could rotate the team more. Too rigid with selections and picks the wrong games to rotate.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2019, 06:36:42 PM
For me he needs to bin off that front 3 formation.

I know its old school and possibly denialism but I'd love to see 442 or 2 forwards up top.

He needs to make subs earlier and find a player to replace Gana who does more than just tackle and block passes. Our fans make Gana sound like Roy Keane. He's ok for where we are but if we want to get better....

Also Silva could rotate the team more. Too rigid with selections and picks the wrong games to rotate.

I dunno, mate, the heat maps of our matches suggest we do play a variation of 4-4-2, with Sigurdsson often the man furthest forward.

In fact, when we go forward our formation shifts to a 2-2-6, so no wonder we are getting bullied in midfield so often.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2019, 07:55:21 PM
For me he needs to bin off that front 3 formation.

I know its old school and possibly denialism but I'd love to see 442 or 2 forwards up top.

He needs to make subs earlier and find a player to replace Gana who does more than just tackle and block passes. Our fans make Gana sound like Roy Keane. He's ok for where we are but if we want to get better....

Also Silva could rotate the team more. Too rigid with selections and picks the wrong games to rotate.

Gana isn't the issue. He has two players in midfield with him who don't create much or do anything with the ball to create any forward momentum. Granted he'll need replacing soon and if a decent offer came in we should take and move on but to single him out as the weak link in the side isn't accurate.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 03, 2019, 08:28:18 PM
Gana isn't the issue. He has two players in midfield with him who don't create much or do anything with the ball to create any forward momentum. Granted he'll need replacing soon and if a decent offer came in we should take and move on but to single him out as the weak link in the side isn't accurate.

I can’t believe that anyone thinks gueye is the problem in a midfield 3 including Gomes and sigurdsson. The other 2 don’t do enough of anything and gueye is being singled out for only being great at parts of the game

Other 2 don’t tackle at all. Don’t create much and don’t even seem to want the ball as much as gueye

Odd that the only 1 that’s defensive is singled out when we have problems creating
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on January 03, 2019, 08:44:17 PM
I've been one of his biggest critics in the past but now that he's playing a deeper, more disciplined role (i.e. staying out of the final third), Gana has comfortably been our best midfielder.

Most of the time, we're playing something like a 4-2-4 (2-2-6 when we get close to the final third) and that setup doesn't work defensively unless Gana is putting out fires all over the place (see Spurs for an example of what happens when we play that system without him). Plus, despite his limitations as a passer, he always makes himself available for the ball and is willing try things when nobody else is. It's actually kind of embarrassing how often Gomes and Sigurdsson lay the ball off to him when they have time to to turn and get their heads up and look for something better.

Committing to a proper 4-3-3 should actually solve our problems. I think most would agree that Chelsea was our best performance this season. Consider how much deeper Sigurdsson defended in that match. I'd argue that that was the key to our success. Swapping a second forward for another proper midfielder should help us restrict space in the middle of the park, which forces our opponents wide more often (generally leading to poorer attacking opportunities). It should also help us generate more counterattacking opportunities, which will suit the pace and directness of the front line.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2019, 08:52:39 PM
I've been one of his biggest critics in the past but now that he's playing a deeper, more disciplined role (i.e. staying out of the final third), Gana has comfortably been our best midfielder.

Most of the time, we're playing something like a 4-2-4 (2-2-6 when we get close to the final third) and that setup doesn't work defensively unless Gana is putting out fires all over the place (see Spurs for an example of what happens when we play that system without him). Plus, despite his limitations as a passer, he always makes himself available for the ball and is willing try things when nobody else is. It's actually kind of embarrassing how often Gomes and Sigurdsson lay the ball off to him when they have time to to turn and get their heads up and look for something better.

Committing to a proper 4-3-3 should actually solve our problems. I think most would agree that Chelsea was our best performance this season. Consider how much deeper Sigurdsson defended in that match. I'd argue that that was the key to our success. Swapping a second forward for another proper midfielder should help us restrict space in the middle of the park, which forces our opponents wide more often (generally leading to poorer attacking opportunities). It should also help us generate more counterattacking opportunities, which will suit the pace and directness of the front line.

Indeed.

Do you think Sigurdsson is being instructed to play as far forward as he does, or do you think it’s what he does naturally and he just isn’t being called on it by Silva?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on January 03, 2019, 08:54:54 PM
Indeed.

Do you think Sigurdsson is being instructed to play as far forward as he does, or do you think it’s what he does naturally and he just isn’t being called on it by Silva?

I think there's something in the idea that the system has been tailored to get the most out of Sigurdsson since he's our record signing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2019, 09:20:40 PM
I think there's something in the idea that the system has been tailored to get the most out of Sigurdsson since he's our record signing.

Blimey, bit mad if true.

If getting the most out of him is playing him up top maybe he should get a go as the lone CF and Silva should put another CM in the side.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on January 03, 2019, 09:51:57 PM
Blimey, bit mad if true.

If getting the most out of him is playing him up top maybe he should get a go as the lone CF and Silva should put another CM in the side.

Just pure speculation, of course.

Nobody outside the club really knows what the manager is thinking.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2019, 10:45:53 PM
Just pure speculation, of course.

Nobody outside the club really knows what the manager is thinking.

I hope it’s not true, it would be pretty small time.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2019, 10:47:07 PM
course its not true, fucking hell.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: markB on January 03, 2019, 11:05:30 PM
I can’t believe that anyone thinks gueye is the problem in a midfield 3 including Gomes and sigurdsson. The other 2 don’t do enough of anything and gueye is being singled out for only being great at parts of the game

Other 2 don’t tackle at all. Don’t create much and don’t even seem to want the ball as much as gueye

Odd that the only 1 that’s defensive is singled out when we have problems creating


you would not have 3 Sigurdsson,s or 3 gueye,s in there but you could have 3 Gomes in there and would do well he is a well rounded player
(oddly I think if we were playing 433 Gomes, morgen and mcarthy would be the best balance)

if anything comes of this PSG link for gueye it might just be a blessing (still a good player but)
Sigurdsson we are saddled with lets just hope some tams in CHINA  or the USA would take him soon
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on January 03, 2019, 11:12:58 PM

you would not have 3 Sigurdsson,s or 3 gueye,s in there but you could have 3 Gomes in there and would do well he is a well rounded player
(oddly I think if we were playing 433 Gomes, morgen and mcarthy would be the best balance)

if anything comes of this PSG link for gueye it might just be a blessing (still a good player but)
Sigurdsson we are saddled with lets just hope some tams in CHINA  or the USA would take him soon
No formation we can  put together looks good with Morgan. Horrible player.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2019, 11:24:12 PM
course its not true, fucking hell.

It seems unlikely
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 03, 2019, 11:56:19 PM
Feel like Sigurdsson is getting a bit of harsh criticsm on here at the moment. I lost count of the times he made a run or found space at the weekend only for someone to play a safer pass.

Only Bernard and maybe lookman seem able to play the ball into him in dangerous areas, everyone else plays safe or takes too long to look up...and as we don't go direct to the striker for him to lay it off...He's starved of possession.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 04, 2019, 12:08:52 AM
It seems unlikely
Maybe so but he is completely ineffective in a lot of games...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: markB on January 04, 2019, 01:17:44 AM
Feel like Sigurdsson is getting a bit of harsh criticsm on here at the moment. I lost count of the times he made a run or found space at the weekend only for someone to play a safer pass.

Only Bernard and maybe lookman seem able to play the ball into him in dangerous areas, everyone else plays safe or takes too long to look up...and as we don't go direct to the striker for him to lay it off...He's starved of possession.

when you buy a player for that price you would think everyone would know his best spot in the team , but you could ask right now and get 5/6 answers
when we got him a lot was said about what he would give to the team with set plays (we are not seeing that at all ) his goal assist or lack of form open play was over look by most pointing out his over all goal assist now that has dried up it leaves you with not much

for me he is a plod CF or in the old manu  442 side he would be a poor Beckham
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: plumber on January 04, 2019, 01:51:40 AM
Feel like Sigurdsson is getting a bit of harsh criticsm on here at the moment. I lost count of the times he made a run or found space at the weekend only for someone to play a safer pass.

Only Bernard and maybe lookman seem able to play the ball into him in dangerous areas, everyone else plays safe or takes too long to look up...and as we don't go direct to the striker for him to lay it off...He's starved of possession.

Agree with that. I think Silva's approach is a bigger problem than Gylfi himself.
Here is a good read about it and our other problems:
https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2019/1/3/18165282/everton-tactical-analysis-marco-silva-gylfi-sigurdsson-crossing-wingers-striker-transfers
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Allow me to illustrate this with a simple stat — take a look at Gylfi Sigurdsson’s touches per 90 over the last four seasons.

    2015-16: 56 touches per 90
    2016-17: 51.5 touches per 90
    2017-18: 48.2 touches per 90
    2018-19: 48.6 touches per 90

That’s right — a Swansea team that had significantly less possession on average than 2018-19 Everton still did a better job of feeding Sigurdsson than Silva’s team does. Hell, Ronald Koeman and Sam Allardyce basically got Gylfi on the ball as much as Silva does — and Koeman used him on the left wing and Allardyce’s team barely ever had the ball.


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on January 04, 2019, 08:11:32 PM
Sig’s individual numbers look good as the 10 but it’s to the detriment of the team.

By his nature Sig drifts in and out of games in an explosive way (goals and assists) but isn’t actually involved that much other than those moments.

For our system to work like Silva seems to want it to, the 10 needs to be much more involved on the ball and finding space between the lines to take passes from Gana/Gomes. Otherwise, we end up like we have been this season with all the play going out to the fullbacks and lumping crosses into the box all game as Sigurdsson essentially plays like a second striker once we have the ball.

Sig on the left might be a compromise for Silva as otherwise he’s got big decisions to make on his preferred system vs our most expensive player as currently the two don’t work together.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 04, 2019, 08:13:25 PM
Agree with that. I think Silva's approach is a bigger problem than Gylfi himself.
Here is a good read about it and our other problems:
https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2019/1/3/18165282/everton-tactical-analysis-marco-silva-gylfi-sigurdsson-crossing-wingers-striker-transfers



Think this is an interesting point.

Reckon Sigurdsson is a good counter attack player. In a sweeping move he can pop it off then appear on the end of a pass in the middle of a disorganised defence, but he’s not good when defences are set and he has to hunt the ball to unlock.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 04, 2019, 08:36:16 PM
Sig’s individual numbers look good as the 10 but it’s to the detriment of the team.

By his nature Sig drifts in and out of games in an explosive way (goals and assists) but isn’t actually involved that much other than those moments.

For our system to work like Silva seems to want it to, the 10 needs to be much more involved on the ball and finding space between the lines to take passes from Gana/Gomes. Otherwise, we end up like we have been this season with all the play going out to the fullbacks and lumping crosses into the box all game as Sigurdsson essentially plays like a second striker once we have the ball.

Sig on the left might be a compromise for Silva as otherwise he’s got big decisions to make on his preferred system vs our most expensive player as currently the two don’t work together.
His numbers look better as a consequence of not having a forward who is any where near prolific as well, and when we are under pressure with Walcott not tracking back to help out and Seamus looking like he is still struggling after injury, we are left easy to stride through, i'd like to see how Mcarthy would get on trying to beef us up in midfield whilst we are struggling with this, unless there are plans to try and solve it from elsewhere this window, it needs a re think but to be fair to Silva he hasn't been shy to try different things so can't criticise him as he still has plenty to upgrade on from the previous shambles.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 04, 2019, 10:11:20 PM
Sig’s individual numbers look good as the 10 but it’s to the detriment of the team.

By his nature Sig drifts in and out of games in an explosive way (goals and assists) but isn’t actually involved that much other than those moments.

For our system to work like Silva seems to want it to, the 10 needs to be much more involved on the ball and finding space between the lines to take passes from Gana/Gomes. Otherwise, we end up like we have been this season with all the play going out to the fullbacks and lumping crosses into the box all game as Sigurdsson essentially plays like a second striker once we have the ball.

Sig on the left might be a compromise for Silva as otherwise he’s got big decisions to make on his preferred system vs our most expensive player as currently the two don’t work together.

Should never have signed him and if we get a reasonable offer he should be sold. He’s no more than an impact sub for a side with ambitions to actually control games
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: markB on January 04, 2019, 10:48:16 PM
Sig’s individual numbers look good as the 10 but it’s to the detriment of the team.

By his nature Sig drifts in and out of games in an explosive way (goals and assists) but isn’t actually involved that much other than those moments.

For our system to work like Silva seems to want it to, the 10 needs to be much more involved on the ball and finding space between the lines to take passes from Gana/Gomes. Otherwise, we end up like we have been this season with all the play going out to the fullbacks and lumping crosses into the box all game as Sigurdsson essentially plays like a second striker once we have the ball.

Sig on the left might be a compromise for Silva as otherwise he’s got big decisions to make on his preferred system vs our most expensive player as currently the two don’t work together.

on the right
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 04, 2019, 11:38:40 PM
on the right

Wouldn’t be against it if it meant Bernard 10 or another CM coming in. Would hate it if it was for 5 atb.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 05, 2019, 01:59:46 AM
Should never have signed him and if we get a reasonable offer he should be sold. He’s no more than an impact sub for a side with ambitions to actually control games
I'm not a Sigg fan either, but i take it it never worked out with that bird?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 05, 2019, 05:13:44 AM
Final part of the stop bunching series of blogs

https://stopbunching.blogspot.com/2019/01/fixing-everton-part-5-final-lineup.html?m=1

Really good 5 little blogs looking at the current squad build, the players on contract, and how they might be gradually managed out for younger more appropriate replacements for a 4-diamond-2 like spurs (closest to our mix of players) and eventually a 4-3-3 (final team for the silva/brands project).
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 05, 2019, 01:37:45 PM
Final part of the stop bunching series of blogs

https://stopbunching.blogspot.com/2019/01/fixing-everton-part-5-final-lineup.html?m=1

Really good 5 little blogs looking at the current squad build, the players on contract, and how they might be gradually managed out for younger more appropriate replacements for a 4-diamond-2 like spurs (closest to our mix of players) and eventually a 4-3-3 (final team for the silva/brands project).

Yes been reading those.

Think supports the idea that 4–2-4 is getting most out of Sigurdsson but that it also needs Gueye to cover the gaps which then brings about their own issues (picked up in there).

Silva obviously hoped that he could resurrect Schneiderlin as this would have provided much more flexibility in midfield shape.

Right side is an issue as no one is playing well.

Aside from Richarlison, the LW selection hasn’t brought much obvious, must be picked all the time success.

That hasn’t been highlighted as much because Digne has played well so he’s taking the pressure there.

Not the case the other side which has resulted in Walcott becoming a performance bogey man.

Was a shame that Lookman got that knock after the city game as he played really well when he came on.

Overall the point is reinforced that the squad isn’t balanced rather than having no capable players.

Will be interesting to see in the summer how these areas are addressed.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 05, 2019, 06:10:55 PM
Yes been reading those.

Think supports the idea that 4–2-4 is getting most out of Sigurdsson but that it also needs Gueye to cover the gaps which then brings about their own issues (picked up in there).

Silva obviously hoped that he could resurrect Schneiderlin as this would have provided much more flexibility in midfield shape.

Right side is an issue as no one is playing well.

Aside from Richarlison, the LW selection hasn’t brought much obvious, must be picked all the time success.

That hasn’t been highlighted as much because Digne has played well so he’s taking the pressure there.

Not the case the other side which has resulted in Walcott becoming a performance bogey man.

Was a shame that Lookman got that knock after the city game as he played really well when he came on.

Overall the point is reinforced that the squad isn’t balanced rather than having no capable players.

Will be interesting to see in the summer how these areas are addressed.



Yeah can remember you mentioning spurs when we were struggling under Koeman actually, and we’ve added plauers who are a step towards it.

Think you/stop bunching are right that the issue isn’t that all the players are terrible, it’s that the squad is all messy and bloated and uneven in terms of styles and attributes.

Personally think he should cut his losses on Schneiderlin and buy a good 6. There’s just too much gone on with him and too many times he’s been tried and failed. Someone needs to get Paredes from Zenit at some point...

Think reading that series has given me a bit of like space from the idea that we need to get to 4-3-3 immediately and at all costs.

Suppose it depends what happens in Jan, but it may well be that in a several-year rebuilding process you can’t immediately play your favourite formation.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: NickNack on January 05, 2019, 10:06:07 PM
Would have thought Gomes could have done with a full game off..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 05, 2019, 11:29:25 PM
Would have thought Gomes could have done with a full game off..

I’m not sure Silva trusts many of our players at the minute and Gomes seems to be one of the few he does.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 05, 2019, 11:50:18 PM
I'm not a Sigg fan either, but i take it it never worked out with that bird?

Yeah it’s all good thanks. Just when that first glow of love goes I came back to moan about everything.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 05, 2019, 11:51:55 PM
I don't blame ya mate
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 06, 2019, 01:28:07 AM
I’m not sure Silva trusts many of our players at the minute and Gomes seems to be one of the few he does.

Think those subs were potentially telling.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 06, 2019, 02:00:00 AM
The best passer of a ball at the club is our second choice left back
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 06, 2019, 02:20:19 AM
The best passer of a ball at the club is our second choice left back

He’s a great footballer.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: mikey_blue on January 06, 2019, 02:22:26 AM
The best passer of a ball at the club is our second choice left back

I'm not sure if anyone has had this idea before, but I wonder if he could play CM?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 06, 2019, 02:26:53 AM
I'm not sure if anyone has had this idea before, but I wonder if he could play CM?

Well, Martinez did when he took him to watch Lahm
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 06, 2019, 02:31:00 AM
He’s a great footballer.

Get him involved at centre mid?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on January 06, 2019, 02:34:12 AM
It's all gone a bit Martinez in here!

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 06, 2019, 02:35:17 AM
Get him involved at centre mid?

Issue is transition to needing to know where people are 360, as opposed to 120-180 generally and also the speed (and risk) of decision making goes up quite a bit.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 06, 2019, 04:10:05 AM
Closed down a lot quicker in midfield. That's what usually finds most players out when they move there from another position.
I remember Ian Snoddin struggling to make an impact in midfield; he went to right back and looked so much more composed.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on January 06, 2019, 04:26:27 AM
Do anything that puts another body deep in midfield. We lose control of every match there.

Proper 4-3-3 with Sigurdsson defending deeper, 4-4-2 diamond like the one suggested in that Stop Bunching! article, I don't really care at this point.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 06, 2019, 01:36:54 PM
Genuinely struggling to see what Silva’s game plan is. Taking away the oft stated desire for an eventual 4-3-3 then apart from the occasional high press, which seems to have dulled recently, I’m struggling to define what has he implemented successfully since he came in.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on January 06, 2019, 01:41:20 PM
Totally agree that we have good players but it's difficult to see a system they can all play in right now. I don't think we are getting the best out of any of them. We look better in defence with three at the back but then we don't have enough going forward but the 4 2 4 leaves us completely exposed and we don't have a recovering centre back like Jagielka was.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 06, 2019, 07:41:45 PM
Doesn’t have the players to play how he wants.

I reckon only Digne, Gomes, Bernard and Richarlison can implement his game plan.

Needs to be brave now and fuck Sigurdsson off to go 4-3-3, or put Bernard number 10.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blue1948 on January 06, 2019, 07:54:18 PM
Doesn’t have the players to play how he wants.

I reckon only Digne, Gomes, Bernard and Richarlison can implement his game plan.

Needs to be brave now and fuck Sigurdsson off to go 4-3-3, or put Bernard number 10.

Despite him being out of position and second best scorer ,I won't go along with that .

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 06, 2019, 08:43:31 PM
Doesn’t have the players to play how he wants.

I reckon only Digne, Gomes, Bernard and Richarlison can implement his game plan.

Needs to be brave now and fuck Sigurdsson off to go 4-3-3, or put Bernard number 10.

Using that Stop Bunching idea we could implement this sort of formation if Sigurdsson held his position, or maybe Davies instead

                           Pickford
                        Mina Zouma
                             Gana                   
         Kenny Gomes Sigurdsson Digne         
                           Bernard                     
                   Lookman Richarlison
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on January 07, 2019, 06:47:32 PM
It’s going to take a bit of time to get things right. Results haven’t been good lately and they haven’t been good at home all season long.

However it’s clear we’re progressing. I haven’t really come out of a match this season disappointed with our approach even in defeat.

The manner of which we played at Anfield is something I’ve never seen from an Everton side going there and that’s about two decades long now.

Brands is doing the business off the pitch and we just need to bide our time and hope that allows things to come together on the pitch.

People like to moan and there’s plenty to moan about of late but you need to see the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on January 07, 2019, 07:01:13 PM

However it's clear we're progressing. I haven't really come out of a match this season disappointed with our approach even in defeat.


Im not sure that I agree with that part.

Defensively we’ve gone backwards, conceding so many big chances from set pieces.

Going forward I’m still not certain what our plan of attack is when we’re not the counterattacking team, and I’ve certainly came away disappointed after watching us play wide all game lumping aimless crosses into the box.

Silva got a lot of credit early on for attacking lineups and our fans responded well to his pressing but I think that credit is starting to wear out and we need to see signs of what our long term tactics are going to be.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2019, 07:16:12 PM
People love to say things like 'this season is about transition' and 'he needs a few transfer windows to build his team', but then when it actually comes to the cold, hard business of doing just that and giving the manager time, without pressure, they can't do it.

They're hyper-analysing and hyper-criticising every performance, and talking about him 'being under pressure' or credit 'wearing out' throughout the season.

One of the worst things about the social media society is that obsessiveness and inability to have patience.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on January 07, 2019, 07:26:52 PM
Im not sure that I agree with that part.

Defensively we’ve gone backwards, conceding so many big chances from set pieces.

Going forward I’m still not certain what our plan of attack is when we’re not the counterattacking team, and I’ve certainly came away disappointed after watching us play wide all game lumping aimless crosses into the box.

Silva got a lot of credit early on for attacking lineups and our fans responded well to his pressing but I think that credit is starting to wear out and we need to see signs of what our long term tactics are going to be.

I'm talking more about our mentality than anything. Silva's teams for better or worse are brave and I think we've seen that several times this season and we need that mentality if we're to ever join the big 6.

Sure there's been issues tactically but until Silva can get the exact players to suit his system then that'll happen.

Pep Guardiola is the best manager in the world but look at his first season at Man City which was awful (by their lofty standards) but he was able to sign the likes of Walker, Mendy, Laporte, Ederson etc and that allowed him to show how good his system is.

Unfortunately we don't have those resources but need to be patient all the same.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 07, 2019, 07:32:29 PM
I'm talking more about our mentality than anything. Silva's teams for better or worse are brave and I think we've seen that several times this season and we need that mentality if we're to ever join the big 6.

Sure there's been issues tactically but until Silva can get the exact players to suit his system then that'll happen.

Pep Guardiola is the best manager in the world but look at his first season at Man City which was awful (by their lofty standards) but he was able to sign the likes of Walker, Mendy, Laporte, Ederson etc and that allowed him to show how good his system is.

Unfortunately we don't have those resources but need to be patient all the same.

Guardiola has pedigree though. We all knew he was a great manager. That buys you time. Silva might not be. He might be the wrong choice. There’s only so much time you can give when you’re not sure you’re on the right track

Also people (don’t think it was you) talking of clear progress are for me delusional. The sides we’ve beaten this season are all rubbish apart from Leicester who had 10 men. We’ve had a handful of good performances and so far worse results.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2019, 07:35:33 PM
Guardiola has pedigree though. We all knew he was a great manager. That buys you time. Silva might not be. He might be the wrong choice. There’s only so much time you can give when you’re not sure you’re on the right track

Also people (don’t think it was you) talking of clear progress are for me delusional. The sides we’ve beaten this season are all rubbish apart from Leicester who had 10 men. We’ve had a handful of good performances and so far worse results.

Invest some more time into your burgeoning relationship.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on January 07, 2019, 07:46:01 PM
Plain to see some posters still pining for the rotund one  lolol

seems they just can't wait for failure ,so they can be justified .. sad really from some our own alleged 'supoorters'...term used very lightly .


If you want to see the positive steps they are there ...shipped out the older squad members , actually have a really young squad base now ,trying to play a more progressive brand of football ...going into every match trying to win (not giving up before we get there) the games....been really unlucky against the teams above us so far ...for 90 mins went toe to toe with the redshite at their own bus stop .....and this is just after one window .
And still with half the shite squad we were left with from 3 shite managers .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on January 07, 2019, 07:48:01 PM
Doesn’t have the players to play how he wants.

I reckon only Digne, Gomes, Bernard and Richarlison can implement his game plan.


Possibly Lookman too? Think (and hope) we'll start to see more of him second half of the season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on January 07, 2019, 07:50:35 PM
Guardiola has pedigree though. We all knew he was a great manager. That buys you time. Silva might not be. He might be the wrong choice. There’s only so much time you can give when you’re not sure you’re on the right track

Also people (don’t think it was you) talking of clear progress are for me delusional. The sides we’ve beaten this season are all rubbish apart from Leicester who had 10 men. We’ve had a handful of good performances and so far worse results.

We'll find out when we've had adequate time to get the personnel in that is needed for the way he wants to play. For me, the way Silva has us playing is drastically different to any of our recent managers, even our one 'ball-playing' manager Martinez didn't have his team press anything like Silva. So for me, until he can get a group of players in that he wants which is probably another two windows, we shouldn't be going overboard on criticism.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 07, 2019, 07:56:45 PM
We'll find out when we've had adequate time to get the personnel in that is needed for the way he wants to play. For me, the way Silva has us playing is drastically different to any of our recent managers, even our one 'ball-playing' manager Martinez didn't have his team press anything like Silva. So for me, until he can get a group of players in that he wants which is probably another two windows, we shouldn't be going overboard on criticism.


I agree, but he needs to find a somewhat pragmatic way to get points on the board to avoid unnecessary media chatter or fan nervousness.

If we land lower than maybe 8th the vultures will circle and that’s the last thing the club needs.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2019, 08:07:24 PM
The vultures can fuck off. They're more of a problem than the manager.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 07, 2019, 08:18:54 PM
The vultures can fuck off. They're more of a problem than the manager.

But they’re not going to fuck off though are they? Every club has them. So like @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) says, there has to be a compromise between where he maybe wants to get to and where he finds himself at any one time.

It’s the pressures of modern day football with what’s at stake and you have to adapt accordingly.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2019, 08:23:49 PM
But they’re not going to fuck off though are they? Every club has them. So like @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) says, there has to be a compromise between where he maybe wants to get to and where he finds himself at any one time.

It’s the pressures of modern day football with what’s at stake and you have to adapt accordingly.

My point is, let's not let the vultures become the majority voice at the club. Let's call them out when they're being short-termist, reactionary knobheads.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 07, 2019, 08:24:47 PM
The vultures can fuck off. They're more of a problem than the manager.

I mean, I agree sure but that’s not real life is it?

It’s also perfectly understandable that your regular common and garden fan is frustrated as well - this attitude of like question it then you’re a knob is just as unhelpful I think.

To be honest I think it’s just how you’re taking your own frustrations out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 07, 2019, 08:27:10 PM
My point is, let's not let the vultures become the majority voice at the club. Let's call them out when they're being short-termist, reactionary knobheads.

Yeh I get that, but there comes a point when the media become vultures too, they love to cause trouble and create a headline. Then it becomes harder to keep a lid on.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2019, 08:27:41 PM
I mean, I agree sure but that’s not real life is it?

It’s also perfectly understandable that your regular common and garden fan is frustrated as well - this attitude of like question it then you’re a knob is just as unhelpful I think.

To be honest I think it’s just how you’re taking your own frustrations out.

I've not said 'question it and you're a knob' though, have I? I'm saying people trot out the cliches about giving something time and letting a manager build something, but it only takes one defeat for that to immediately go out of the window. It's empty and empty-headed.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 07, 2019, 08:34:29 PM
Plain to see some posters still pining for the rotund one  lolol

seems they just can't wait for failure ,so they can be justified .. sad really from some our own alleged 'supoorters'...term used very lightly .


If you want to see the positive steps they are there ...shipped out the older squad members , actually have a really young squad base now ,trying to play a more progressive brand of football ...going into every match trying to win (not giving up before we get there) the games....been really unlucky against the teams above us so far ...for 90 mins went toe to toe with the redshite at their own bus stop .....and this is just after one window .
And still with half the shite squad we were left with from 3 shite managers .

Which games have we been really unlucky in. We were second best in every game against the top 6. Doesn't strike me as really unlucky. Think at best could argue we deserved a point at anfield but then we probably deserved to lose to Chelsea too

It's not pining for the last manage. Just wanting the progress to be less mythical and more real. We'll probably finish lower and with less points and half this forum will say that shit sandwich is really bacon.
Sure you were 1 who claimed any idiot could manage last season's squad to 7th
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 07, 2019, 08:35:45 PM
I've not said 'question it and you're a knob' though, have I? I'm saying people trot out the cliches about giving something time and letting a manager build something, but it only takes one defeat for that to immediately go out of the window. It's empty and empty-headed.

You know that wasn’t a direct quote like, I mean the general mien of your attitude towards it. What do you expect? People are unhappy and they’re going to respond to the performances.

Like I agree the meffs on Facebook and twitter who think sacking him will help in the slightest are to be ignored but like, people ARE going to respond to the level of performance we’ve seen so far, fully in the rights to as well.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on January 07, 2019, 08:43:42 PM
I agree, but he needs to find a somewhat pragmatic way to get points on the board to avoid unnecessary media chatter or fan nervousness.

If we land lower than maybe 8th the vultures will circle and that’s the last thing the club needs.

Yeah maybe, I don’t know.

Can only think it’s better to keep his philosophy going and get the players that can play it used to it rather than be pragmatic.

Assuming he has full backing of Moshiri/Brands as you can pretty much shut out the naysayers with two or three decent results anyway no matter how bad things get (as long we we don’t end up in a relegation fight).
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 07, 2019, 08:45:04 PM
We might still finish 7th but in all likelihood about 20+ points behind 6th. I haven’t checked the table but we’re probably about as close to 6th as we are to relegation. In a year where the team in 6th have, in the main, suffered an implosion.

We are progressing in the fact we’ve got a higher standard of player in but it’s also fair to say there are teething problems bedding them into a workable system. It’s perfectly reasonable as fans to assess and judge as we progress on the journey whilst having the bigger picture in mind.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2019, 08:49:54 PM
I'm a little worried about what looks like a lack of an actual plan a or plan a not working with these players but in general every player we signed this summer has been an improvement, 2 further windows like that and players who can work plan a then sound, if we still can't work that plan this time next year then you've gotta think it's time
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2019, 08:53:17 PM
You know that wasn’t a direct quote like, I mean the general mien of your attitude towards it. What do you expect? People are unhappy and they’re going to respond to the performances.

Like I agree the meffs on Facebook and twitter who think sacking him will help in the slightest are to be ignored but like, people ARE going to respond to the level of performance we’ve seen so far, fully in the rights to as well.



I wouldn't expect you to agree. This may well be a fault of the internet creating a false impression, but you're one of the biggest stressheads I've ever come into regular contact with.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 07, 2019, 08:54:47 PM
Around eighteen months is the first time judgements should be made imo, barring an absolute implosion of course.

He’ll have more of his players in and would’ve had ample time to get this team playing to a consistent standard.

If by December next season we find ourselves in the same position, asking the same questions, then that’s the first time pressure should be put on the manager.

Even then I’m not sure calling for his head achieves anything.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 07, 2019, 09:00:39 PM
I wouldn't expect you to agree. This may well be a fault of the internet creating a false impression, but you're one of the biggest stressheads I've ever come into regular contact with.

You’re the one on here saying people can fuck off etc. You really don’t like being talked back to, do you?

Really dunno where some of yous get that impression of me, but you’re not the first. Like I say I do think some of this is just you taking out your own frustrations. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2019, 09:31:16 PM
You’re the one on here saying people can fuck off etc. You really don’t like being talked back to, do you?

Really dunno where some of yous get that impression of me, but you’re not the first. Like I say I do think some of this is just you taking out your own frustrations. 

Talk to me how you want. I still think you're a massive stresshead where Everton are concerned. Like I say, it might be a false impression created by the internet, which I accept.

I'm more criticising an attitude and an approach, rather than individuals. So I apologise if it came across as 'x' or 'y' can fuck off. I didn't intend that. I meant to say 'x attitude' or 'y attitude' can fuck off, referring to people saying they accept it needs a fair bit of time to be judged, and then one defeat and all the toys are out of the pram. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on January 07, 2019, 09:57:43 PM
Let's give Silva some time before completely writing him off eh, he's only been in the job for 6 months ffs.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on January 07, 2019, 10:08:07 PM
Out of interest are there many people calling for Silvas head ? I've not see any I don't think but plenty who have their concerns that things haven't move on as anticipated given the quality at his disposal.

As has been stated previously, no manager gets an indefinite amount of time to turn things around and at some point things will need to improve as the last month has been horrific.

The issue lies with everyone's opinion around how long is acceptable because it's not an exact science but like I said earlier I've heard no shouts of replacung him now.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 07, 2019, 10:15:09 PM
Talk to me how you want. I still think you're a massive stresshead where Everton are concerned. Like I say, it might be a false impression created by the internet, which I accept.

I'm more criticising an attitude and an approach, rather than individuals. So I apologise if it came across as 'x' or 'y' can fuck off. I didn't intend that. I meant to say 'x attitude' or 'y attitude' can fuck off, referring to people saying they accept it needs a fair bit of time to be judged, and then one defeat and all the toys are out of the pram. 

I know you do, your POV towards me is pretty clear. Shame really cause I think we agree on a lot of stuff.

That’s fair. Again I think we broadly agree the head the balls calling for drastic measures should be sectioned.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2019, 10:24:57 PM
I know you do, your POV towards me is pretty clear. Shame really cause I think we agree on a lot of stuff.

That’s fair. Again I think we broadly agree the head the balls calling for drastic measures should be sectioned.

Some of the people I love most in the world are stressheads. It wasn’t intended as a massive insult with some kind of moral judgement attached, more an observation.

I think sometimes that stressiness and hyper-analysis isn’t particularly helpful in trying to create an environment of long term thinking, but that’s just my opinion. Nowt bad though.

You’re sound, witty and intelligent. That’s what I think of you.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 07, 2019, 10:28:40 PM
Mods, ban this man.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on January 07, 2019, 10:34:06 PM
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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 07, 2019, 10:35:41 PM
Feel like I’ve been fishing now feel dead guilty
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2019, 10:54:29 PM
Feel like I’ve been fishing now feel dead guilty

Think I've stitched you up like a proverbial kipper with the charm offensive.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: plumber on January 07, 2019, 10:54:42 PM
I’m not sure all the talks about long term project and plenty of time for Silva are true to be honest. It’s possible appointing Brands means quite the opposite. It’s easier now to get rid of the manager without destroying the team and find someone who would work more efficiently with the players DOF has bought.

Moshiri is no mug and can be ruthless. No one is calling for Silva’s head at the moment except a few half-witted individuals on Twitter, but if he won’t show real signs of progress until the end of the season he’ll be in trouble.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2019, 11:01:31 PM
I'm not sure all the talks about long term project and plenty of time for Silva are true to be honest. It's possible appointing Brands means quite the opposite. It's easier now to get rid of the manager without destroying the team and find someone who would work more efficiently with the players DOF has bought.

Moshiri is no mug and can be ruthless. No one is calling for Silva's head at the moment except a few half-witted individuals on Twitter, but if he won't show real signs of progress until the end of the season he'll be in trouble.
Another reason I have no issues with long term signings as long as its brands led
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on January 07, 2019, 11:30:57 PM
I think it's fair to ask questions at this point.

Silva has a reputation for playing a counterattacking 4-3-3 with heavy emphasis on creating chances through the wingers. Brands' PSV were similar, although maybe less counterattacking since they were one of the top sides in the league. Yet most of what we've seen is a 4-2-4 that packs the final third, often putting too many bodies in the way of our wingers and leaving too many men forward when we lose the ball. What should be a third midfielder has consistently been pressing high up the pitch as a second striker (Silva even had Dowell doing this in preseason).

I can kind of see the argument that he doesn't have the players to play the 4-3-3 exactly how he wants but given our form over the past month, it really does beg the question as to why he doesn't try asking Sigurdsson to defend deeper.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 08, 2019, 12:07:07 AM
I’m not sure all the talks about long term project and plenty of time for Silva are true to be honest. It’s possible appointing Brands means quite the opposite. It’s easier now to get rid of the manager without destroying the team and find someone who would work more efficiently with the players DOF has bought.

Moshiri is no mug and can be ruthless. No one is calling for Silva’s head at the moment except a few half-witted individuals on Twitter, but if he won’t show real signs of progress until the end of the season he’ll be in trouble.


I think this is key and why it wouldn’t surprise me to see some sort of clauses inserted into any new managers contracts, post Brands, which means we don’t end up with a huge financial outlay and complete upheaval should Silva depart within 18 months.

Brands is buying younger, talented players and carrying out a long term project for the club. Silva is more of a Head Coach whose job it is to make the best of the talent he is provided and, whilst obviously getting a say into who they are, the final decision rests with Brands.

If Silva can’t get a consistent tune out out of them after another two rounds of transfers then he deserves to go quite frankly.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on January 08, 2019, 12:17:16 AM
Which games have we been really unlucky in. We were second best in every game against the top 6. Doesn't strike me as really unlucky. Think at best could argue we deserved a point at anfield but then we probably deserved to lose to Chelsea too

It's not pining for the last manage. Just wanting the progress to be less mythical and more real. We'll probably finish lower and with less points and half this forum will say that shit sandwich is really bacon.
Sure you were 1 who claimed any idiot could manage last season's squad to 7th

Second best against every top six side mmmmmm...fair enough dodgy pen at man u ..dodgy offside goal at arsenal ,drew with Chelsea. ..had our best game against the shite in ages . ...what did we do against all them last year ....a fucking lot worse,(we actually got a dodgy pen against the shite)  never got off the coach against most top six sides as our then manager had already decided he didn't see them as winnable .
last year we were easily the 'best of a bunch of shit' ,but some of the shit have spent and recruited well this season .
we have a few new players but still own a lot of shite not fit for the league 'this year' .. .but hey our new regime is only 6 months in .
knee-jerk and change yet again is back to square one .no?.

But by all means choose to only see the negatives. .....I've said it before me and you will never see eye to eye, your way to negative at every opportunity. ..when we were winning or playing better you never bothered posting ... (been mentioned by a few not just myself ) maybe if you did we would see you as more than just negatively moaning constantly . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2019, 01:34:18 AM
Second best against every top six side mmmmmm...fair enough dodgy pen at man u ..dodgy offside goal at arsenal ,drew with Chelsea. ..had our best game against the shite in ages . ...what did we do against all them last year ....a fucking lot worse,(we actually got a dodgy pen against the shite)  never got off the coach against most top six sides as our then manager had already decided he didn't see them as winnable .
last year we were easily the 'best of a bunch of shit' ,but some of the shit have spent and recruited well this season .
we have a few new players but still own a lot of shite not fit for the league 'this year' .. .but hey our new regime is only 6 months in .
knee-jerk and change yet again is back to square one .no?.

But by all means choose to only see the negatives. .....I've said it before me and you will never see eye to eye, your way to negative at every opportunity. ..when we were winning or playing better you never bothered posting ... (been mentioned by a few not just myself ) maybe if you did we would see you as more than just negatively moaning constantly . :thumbsup:


2 draws instead of 1 last season? We were second best in every game though we did play well against Liverpool and got a very good point against Chelsea

List all the sides we’ve beaten this season just so I can get an idea of the progress
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2019, 01:39:42 AM
Brighton, palace, Fulham, Burnley, Southampton, Cardiff and Leicester (with 10 men) that’s the list of our wins in the league. Done nowt in the league cup and beat 1 lower league side in the fa cup so far

I don’t think our progress is as clear cup as a lot seem to want to make out
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2019, 01:45:36 AM
Brighton, palace, Fulham, Burnley, Southampton, Cardiff and Leicester (with 10 men) that’s the list of our wins in the league. Done nowt in the league cup and beat 1 lower league side in the fa cup so far

I don’t think our progress is as clear cup as a lot seem to want to make out

Depends if you’re open minded and willing to see the shades of grey.

Don’t think anyone is making out like we’ve been great but, to me, we’re better than we were last season.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on January 08, 2019, 01:59:01 AM
Brighton, palace, Fulham, Burnley, Southampton, Cardiff and Leicester (with 10 men) that’s the list of our wins in the league. Done nowt in the league cup and beat 1 lower league side in the fa cup so far

I don’t think our progress is as clear cup as a lot seem to want to make out
So purely your basing your negativity on results alone 
thanks for proving my point . :thumbsup:   
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2019, 02:54:15 AM
Depends if you’re open minded and willing to see the shades of grey.

Don’t think anyone is making out like we’ve been great but, to me, we’re better than we were last season.



I’m willing to accept people seeing a brighter future. There’s a maybe it will work with silva and it really wouldn’t have long term with any of our last 3 managers. I don’t want him sacked. We have to give him time. All I’m saying is it’s been quite poor so far. Think that’s a pretty reasonable assessment as a whole.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2019, 02:59:54 AM
So purely your basing your negativity on results alone 
thanks for proving my point . :thumbsup:   

It’s not like we’ve played great either. You could probably point to 3 or 4 good performances and the rest have been pretty dull with a lot of extra flair players added since last season. I’m not claiming anything outlandish. Just that it’s been a disappointing season so far. Disappointing results. In the main performances have been a bit dull. Baring maybe gueye digne and richarlison the players have performed individually below what we’d hoped too.
It’s all been a little below par and a little disappointing. Again I’m not sure that’s an unreasonable assessment
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: plumber on January 08, 2019, 03:03:48 AM
I think people are confusing two different things here – progress on and off the pitch. Shipping out deadwood and signing some young talented players is great and hats off to Brands for that. Credit to Silva wherė it's due, he got a say in that (he definitely helped to persuade Richarlison etc).
But on the pitch we are still a bit shit.

1 year ago we beat Swansea with this starting 11 for fucks sake:

                       Pickford
Kenny – Holgate – Williams – Martina
             Gana – Schneiderlin
         Lennon – Rooney – Gylfi
                          DCL

It’s worrying that Silva with the players he got, can’t better results of Koeman/Rhino/Allardyce so far. And it's not only results. I can't see what is his philosophy apart from zonal marking which is failing miserably, sporadical pressing and millions off pointless crosses.
It's early days and he still has time to turn things around, but time is ticking.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2019, 03:43:56 AM
I think people are confusing two different things here – progress on and off the pitch. Shipping out deadwood and signing some young talented players is great and hats off to Brands for that. Credit to Silva wherė it's due, he got a say in that (he definitely helped to persuade Richarlison etc).
But on the pitch we are still a bit shit.

1 year ago we beat Swansea with this starting 11 for fucks sake:

                       Pickford
Kenny – Holgate – Williams – Martina
             Gana – Schneiderlin
         Lennon – Rooney – Gylfi
                          DCL

It’s worrying that Silva with the players he got, can’t better results of Koeman/Rhino/Allardyce so far. And it's not only results. I can't see what is his philosophy apart from zonal marking which is failing miserably, sporadical pressing and millions off pointless crosses.
It's early days and he still has time to turn things around, but time is ticking.


There has been progress on the pitch though. Have people forgot just how bad we were last season?

Arsenal- Home and away
Spurs- Home and away
City at home
United- Home and away
Southampton away
Atalanta- Home and away
Lyon- Home and away

And there’s probably more I could rattle off where we didn’t even compete.

Spurs aside we’ve competed in every game this season and there’s been a marked improvement in performances away from home, especially against the bigger teams.

Oh yeah, Burnley played us off the park as well. Twice.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 08, 2019, 04:19:06 AM
There has been progress on the pitch though. Have people forgot just how bad we were last season?

Arsenal- Home and away
Spurs- Home and away
City at home
United- Home and away
Southampton away
Atalanta- Home and away
Lyon- Home and away

And there’s probably more I could rattle off where we didn’t even compete.

Spurs aside we’ve competed in every game this season and there’s been a marked improvement in performances away from home, especially against the bigger teams.

Oh yeah, Burnley played us off the park as well. Twice.



On fire tonight, sunbeam
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2019, 04:32:08 AM
Barely had a shot against Brighton and Leicester though. We’ve been pretty crap quite a lot this season too. Granted we’ve maybe played better against the top 6 but I’m not sure we really deserved much more than the 1 point we got.

How much weight does not getting embarrassed as badly against the top 6 when as a whole we end up with similar results despite another transfer window with lots of exciting players brought in
 
It has to get a hell of a lot better or he’s failed
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 08, 2019, 04:34:29 AM



 
It has to get a hell of a lot better or he's failed

Surelt that needs more than one window, more than 6 months?
Title: Silva's Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on January 08, 2019, 04:34:47 AM
It's all going a bit Brexit/Trump in here.

People are allowed to have concerns about the manager and what we're seeing on the pitch.

Calling people with valid concerns reactionary/stressheads/Big Sam lovers instead of having a proper conversation comes across as a bit elitist to me. The implication is that people are only that way because they don't understand/appreciate Silva's style of football.

Even if he doesn't have the personnel in yet, it would be nice to at least see some signs of how we’re eventually going to play. Plus the Sigurdsson situation is a big red flag for me at the moment as our team is completely unbalanced to fit him in.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2019, 04:41:27 AM
Barely had a shot against Brighton and Leicester though. We’ve been pretty crap quite a lot this season too. Granted we’ve maybe played better against the top 6 but I’m not sure we really deserved much more than the 1 point we got.

How much weight does not getting embarrassed as badly against the top 6 when as a whole we end up with similar results despite another transfer window with lots of exciting players brought in
 
It has to get a hell of a lot better or he’s failed

Yes, and how many times last season where we completley toothless and hopeless on the ball?

That’s the point I’m trying to make. We were a disaster last season, genuinely the worst I’ve ever seen us and it’s amazing that we finished 8th.

It’s going to take a lot more than six months to remedy that. Bringing in six new players, five from abroad needs time in itself.

There’s been good things, there’s been bad things, you can’t just choose to focus on certain aspects.

Take it all into account, bring in some nuance to your thinking and you’ll see there’s been genuine improvements.

You’re already talking about him being under pressure, about him failing and it’s ridiculous to moot such thoughts at the moment.

Nothing we’re seeing is worse than what’s gone on in the last four seasons.



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 08, 2019, 04:43:54 AM
The only difference for me has been that we've actually gone after bigger teams. Unfortunately the results have been the same as when Fat Lad just had us just bend over and wait for it from them.

Games (especially recently) against lesser sides have been abysmal to the point that it reminds me of Martinezs horrendous final year. Slow, predicable, frustrating and absolutely no cutting edge.

It would be stupid to get rid of him now after a few months, especially considering the farcical way we eventually acquired his services, but surely there's got to be some sort of obvious improvement between now and the end of the season, regardless of who does/doesn't come in during the window.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 08, 2019, 06:04:48 AM
There’s a concerning lack of bottle on display from Evertonians these days. Like no bottle whatsoever.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 08, 2019, 01:18:39 PM
Barely had a shot against Brighton and Leicester though. We’ve been pretty crap quite a lot this season too. Granted we’ve maybe played better against the top 6 but I’m not sure we really deserved much more than the 1 point we got.

How much weight does not getting embarrassed as badly against the top 6 when as a whole we end up with similar results despite another transfer window with lots of exciting players brought in
 
It has to get a hell of a lot better or he’s failed

Whilst I agree we’ve not been great the time to judge really starts now. He’s justifiably had a free pass for the first 6 months but realistically now is when we should start seeing some consistency of performance.

The standard of player he’s working with is far better than last season (with this month probably helping to refine the squad further) so he should now have an idea of how to get the best out of them.

Perfectly reasonable to start assessing a lot closer from now on. You’d especially want to see improvement on the 1/3 of all goals conceded from set pieces as a minimum. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2019, 01:53:54 PM

Surelt that needs more than one window, more than 6 months?


Of course it does but people are talking of progress I just don’t see. I’ve never suggested we sack him only it’s been shit so far. There’s a huge amount of this forum claiming it’s been better by a clear margin
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mac934 on January 08, 2019, 02:06:01 PM
Whilst I agree we’ve not been great the time to judge really starts now. He’s justifiably had a free pass for the first 6 months but realistically now is when we should start seeing some consistency of performance.

The standard of player he’s working with is far better than last season (with this month probably helping to refine the squad further) so he should now have an idea of how to get the best out of them.

Perfectly reasonable to start assessing a lot closer from now on. You’d especially want to see improvement on the 1/3 of all goals conceded from set pieces as a minimum.
I agree with sentences 1 and 3. The middle one, if the players are so much better than last season, why do the performances on the whole seem the same old shit as last season? I can't figure it out. Honeymoon period over, start producing the goods Marco.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on January 08, 2019, 04:40:09 PM
It's all going a bit Brexit/Trump in here.

People are allowed to have concerns about the manager and what we're seeing on the pitch.

Calling people with valid concerns reactionary/stressheads/Big Sam lovers instead of having a proper conversation comes across as a bit elitist to me. The implication is that people are only that way because they don't understand/appreciate Silva's style of football.

Even if he doesn't have the personnel in yet, it would be nice to at least see some signs of how we’re eventually going to play. Plus the Sigurdsson situation is a big red flag for me at the moment as our team is completely unbalanced to fit him in.

Nah, it’s just people having different opinions. I called one person a stresshead, with good reason in my opinion. No debate is being shut down, and there’s nothing remotely elitist about any of it. Just people trading opinions.

You can have any opinion you want.

Also to clarify, I’m not implying anything. Implication is too subtle for me. I’m stating outright that people haven’t got the patience that their empty words suggest they should have.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 08, 2019, 04:41:53 PM
I agree with sentences 1 and 3. The middle one, if the players are so much better than last season, why do the performances on the whole seem the same old shit as last season? I can't figure it out. Honeymoon period over, start producing the goods Marco.

It’s undeniable that Mina and Zouma are an upgrade on Jags and Williams. Similarly with Digne/Baines, Gomes/Davies and Richarlison/whoever we shoehorned wide left.

We also have Lookman back in the fold as well as a much improved Keane. Regardless of any argument about time, transition or new systems in quality terms we’re an upgrade on last seasons options without a shadow of a doubt.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 08, 2019, 05:48:59 PM
I personally think I am the very picture of sanguine tranquility and i wish all Everton fans had the same long-term outlook that I do.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: mikey_blue on January 08, 2019, 06:28:19 PM
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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 08, 2019, 06:28:56 PM
I personally think I am the very picture of sanguine tranquility and i wish all Everton fans had the same long-term outlook that I do.

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 08, 2019, 07:47:07 PM
Issue isn’t criticism of form, games, situations in games.

It’s when additional tags along the lines of huge game for his future, credit running out etc are included that it moves from beyond detached criticism to the implication, intended or otherwise, that you want him sacked or are at least considering the prospect 6 months in.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: hannu on January 08, 2019, 08:45:44 PM
Issue isn’t criticism of form, games, situations in games.

It’s when additional tags along the lines of huge game for his future, credit running out etc are included that it moves from beyond detached criticism to the implication, intended or otherwise, that you want him sacked or are at least considering the prospect 6 months in.

I will say, i dont want him sacked, i want him to come good

i am very concerned about him atm tho, we have been poor for a good few games now, the positive things we did earlier in the season have disappeared, the high pressing isnt working atm unlike earlier in the season we dont seem to win the ball up the pitch, creativity has stagnated, defending is awful atm

i am not yet convinced by him, he can have more time but he also needs to pull his finger out and get it working because its horrible to watch us play, thankfully tho i am away for 2 weeks with no phone newspapers tv etc next week so i can sit a few games out and hopefully things might be better when i get back



 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 08, 2019, 09:36:42 PM
Issue isn’t criticism of form, games, situations in games.

It’s when additional tags along the lines of huge game for his future, credit running out etc are included that it moves from beyond detached criticism to the implication, intended or otherwise, that you want him sacked or are at least considering the prospect 6 months in.

Apart from some complete headcases on Twitter the majority of fans aren't anywhere close to suggesting that and certainly not on here. Expecting an uptick in form over the second half of the season is something that will be coming from the boardroom as well as the fanbase.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: markB on January 08, 2019, 11:06:48 PM
Apart from some complete headcases on Twitter the majority of fans aren't anywhere close to suggesting that and certainly not on here. Expecting an uptick in form over the second half of the season is something that will be coming from the boardroom as well as the fanbase.

we now have to play all the top 6 bar spurs at home , some will say playing them all away 1st as not helped in the 1st part of the season , I am of the other type not playing them at home gave us more teams at home we should be getting the 3 points of , now in the 2nd part of the season we have less teams at home we should be getting the 3 point of

for 4/5 years we have been chasing that 1st year under Roberto its like someone on drugs chasing that 1st high , we were to be getting something new with this managers and all some of us can see is more of the same shoehorning players into a system/style of play that is and has not worked for us is getting a bit boring

are best game of the season we played 3421 and a 1-5 win then shoehorned 2 players into that system and lost so its back to the old 4231 that has been working so fucking well for us in the last 4 years

he can be a nice guy that all the players love and talk great about all he wants for me its about a hell of a lot more than that and we are not getting that or looking like we are going to get it out of him …..YET

is it time to be calling for his head lol no that will be when this team that (and I quote) any manager would get Everton 8th fails to get 7/8th
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on January 08, 2019, 11:31:53 PM
Issue isn't criticism of form, games, situations in games.

It's when additional tags along the lines of huge game for his future, credit running out etc are included that it moves from beyond detached criticism to the implication, intended or otherwise, that you want him sacked or are at least considering the prospect 6 months in.

It was me that used the phrase credit running out and I stand by it.

I’m by no means saying that I want him sacked, but let’s be honest it’s been 6 months of pretty dire football. Up until now he’s been kind of immune to criticism as he’s rightly being given time to implement his tactics but we don’t look any closer to what he’s trying to achieve than we did at the beginning of the season, arguably we we look even worse at it.

Arsenal was had a deeply ingrained way of playing and Emery has managed to change that in the same time period, so surely we should at least be seeing signs of progress by now?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: formerKHL on January 08, 2019, 11:37:01 PM
I think he’s looked at the squad and team set up over the first part of the season for me he’s now “tweaking” the midfield and forward line and is comfortable with who plays and how they set up. He does however need to go back to basics in the defensive team... the zonal marking is costing us dearly so either needs lots of work on with the same players ALL THE TIME on the training pitch.....or go man for man...I prefer man for man as feel we’ve got defenders with the right attributes to stop these leaky calamitous mistakes when defending particularly set pieces.....
Stop messing with the defensive line up choose your back four (or 3) stick with them and breed some confidence into the defensive unit....
Stop the goals leaking in and the losses become draws, the draws become wins......
Particularly if they buy well in the windows.....
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 08, 2019, 11:59:47 PM
It was me that used the phrase credit running out and I stand by it.

I’m by no means saying that I want him sacked, but let’s be honest it’s been 6 months of pretty dire football. Up until now he’s been kind of immune to criticism as he’s rightly being given time to implement his tactics but we don’t look any closer to what he’s trying to achieve than we did at the beginning of the season, arguably we we look even worse at it.

Arsenal was had a deeply ingrained way of playing and Emery has managed to change that in the same time period, so surely we should at least be seeing signs of progress by now?

Dire football?

Wow, we’ve clearly been watching a different game.

I think the attacking play has been excellent at times, just lacking in an end product unless it’s Richarlison or Sigurdsson.



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 09, 2019, 12:06:01 AM
It’s sentences like dire football for six months that makes people not take some opinions seriously.

Balance, please, otherwise what’s the point?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on January 09, 2019, 12:11:22 AM
I gotta be honest and say I don't see this massive upturn in our football. There's been the odd glimour but no where near enough yet for me.

Happy to give Marco time but I have to call it as I see it and despite 6 players we don't look much better yet.

What I would say is that a number of the people who are feeling a bit concerned at the lack of tangible process like me also praised Marco earlier in the season when it was deserved. It's certainly not a witch hunt from what I've seen just people reacting to what they 've seen on the pitch.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 09, 2019, 12:13:38 AM
Nobody has said it’s a witch hunt, or that you can’t criticise him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: piggypop on January 09, 2019, 02:02:38 AM
I think people may have forgotten quite how awful we were last season under 3 different managers. It was shambolic, whatever spin people want to put on it now.

Maybe people forget as the football was so fucking turgid and it was difficult to find any enjoyment.

Pundits get paid to pick fault in every game. I wonder whether some just follow their example and can't let themselves just enjoy being a fan.
Surely people can't be as bored stiff or as angry as they were for most of last season? That must indicate you see some improvement and a way forward, at least.

Personally, I wanted to see pace and high pressing. I wanted to be able to see the players understanding what the manager wants and putting effort in for him. I wanted to see players not afraid to pass the ball and not afraid to receive the ball. To try and play out of trouble rather than just hoofing it and easily conceding possession.

I think I've seen all of that to varying degrees of success this season, but I didn't expect 4+ years of mostly shite "tactics", motivation and fitness to be all completely fixed by now.

We've had a rough few weeks, but we've watched some really promising football this season.
The derby was some of the best football I've seen us play against any of the top 6 in quite a few years, it's just the end of the game was such a kick in the guts.

Overall, I do think we're moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 09, 2019, 02:25:53 AM
It’s sentences like dire football for six months that makes people not take some opinions seriously.

Balance, please, otherwise what’s the point?

Think we’ve had more poor performances than good 1s
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: 74Blue on January 09, 2019, 02:35:20 AM
It was me that used the phrase credit running out and I stand by it.

I’m by no means saying that I want him sacked, but let’s be honest it’s been 6 months of pretty dire football. Up until now he’s been kind of immune to criticism as he’s rightly being given time to implement his tactics but we don’t look any closer to what he’s trying to achieve than we did at the beginning of the season, arguably we we look even worse at it.

Arsenal was had a deeply ingrained way of playing and Emery has managed to change that in the same time period, so surely we should at least be seeing signs of progress by now?
With the greatest of respect, Arsenal have had a good number of years of CL football every season under Wenger, so we're not really comparing apples with apples here are we? They jave been a very good side for years, so the quality of the squad that Emery started with is naturally going to be better than the shitheap that Fat Sam left behind, which he largely inherited from Koeman.
The squad that Silva inherited at Everton was in turmoil. Arsenal at least had the basis of a decent squad for Emery to build from.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 09, 2019, 02:48:35 AM
Think we’ve had more poor performances than good 1s

And?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on January 09, 2019, 02:51:33 AM
we now have to play all the top 6 bar spurs at home , some will say playing them all away 1st as not helped in the 1st part of the season , I am of the other type not playing them at home gave us more them at home we should be getting the 3 points of , now in the 2nd part of the season we have less teams at home we should be getting the 3 point of

for 4/5 years we have been chasing that 1st year under Roberto its like someone on drugs chasing that 1st high , we were to be getting something new with this managers and all some of us can see is more of the same shoehorning players into a system/style of play that is and has not worked for us is getting a bit boring

are best game of the season we played 3421 and a 1-5 win then shoehorned 2 players into that system and lost so its back to the old 4231 that has been working so fucking well for us in the last 4 years

he can be a nice guy that all the players love and talk great about all he wants for me its about a hell of a lot more than that and we are not getting that or looking like we are going to get it out of him …..YET

is it time to be calling for his head lol no that will be when this team that (and I quote) any manager would get Everton 8th fails go get 7/8th

words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup
they slither as they make no sense, across the internet
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on January 09, 2019, 03:23:19 AM
Moshri 'We put a big bet on Marco and we stick with him.’     but.....   'I look at the table and it is just not good enough.’

Looks like he's happy to keep Silva but wants a lot more bang for his buck. Fair dos really.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on January 09, 2019, 04:07:02 AM
A no nonsense statement from the club. Winning the league, takes commitment and luck. It's all looking positive, with the huge exception of on the pitch. The best thing that could happen to us, to back this up, is an FA cup win. Marco needs to get his arse in gear. :wag:




https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46802041
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on January 09, 2019, 06:18:20 AM
Dire football?

Wow, we've clearly been watching a different game.

I think the attacking play has been excellent at times, just lacking in an end product unless it's Richarlison or Sigurdsson.

It's sentences like dire football for six months that makes people not take some opinions seriously.

Balance, please, otherwise what's the point?

Maybe I’m just getting tired after several poor seasons in a row but I’ve missed/tuned out of more Everton games this season than I ever have before.

We had a few games against the top sides where we were brave enough to play football (Chelsea and Liverpool) but other than that I can’t think of many performances this season that I’d call good football or entertaining.

Maybe it will suddenly ‘click’ under Silva and come on leaps and bounds, but I’ve never really seen that happen with other teams. Improvement is usually gradual and if you compare our recent performances with the earlier in the season we’re probably getting worse.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on January 09, 2019, 06:22:35 AM
Maybe I’m just getting tired after several poor seasons in a row but I’ve missed/tuned out of more Everton games this season than I ever have before.

We had a few games against the top sides where we were brave enough to play football (Chelsea and Liverpool) but other than that I can’t think of many performances this season that I’d call good football or entertaining.

Maybe it will suddenly ‘click’ under Silva and come on leaps and bounds, but I’ve never really seen that happen with other teams. Improvement is usually gradual and if you compare our recent performances with the earlier in the season we’re probably getting worse.

We’ve looked great going forward in quite a few games, Leicester Away (particularly the 1st half) Brighton at Home, and Burnley Away
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on January 09, 2019, 06:38:50 AM
We've looked great going forward in quite a few games, Leicester Away (particularly the 1st half) Brighton at Home, and Burnley Away

I agree with Leicester and Brighton maybe, but the Burnley scoreline was much better than the performance
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 09, 2019, 01:53:31 PM
I think there’s two questions really.

Firstly, are we any better?

Yes, we are better. We are not so much better that it’s immediately apparent in the table, although I expect that to change, but we are dealing with whole new issues from last year as well as some of the old faves. We are getting more shots off, scoring more goals, having the ball more in the final third and allowing fewer chances.

Number 2 - are we good? No, to be honest we’re not. We’re pretty average and pretty average teams win some scrappy games and lose some, hence why they come mid table.

We need to increase the amount of quality in the squad, move some bad apples along and fix the previously discussed balance issues on the pitch and within the wider squad.

But in the meantime, especially with Marco’s style, there are going to be some ups and some downs. It is going to take a few years to get really back on our feet. I’m fairly confident Brands knows what he’s doing, and admittedly a lot less confident in Marco, but the whole point of a multi year rebuild is that the guy really driving the train is Brands, and he hasn’t given us a reason to doubt him yet.

3 windows with a clear view of where we are heading. A Richarlison every summer.   
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 09, 2019, 02:54:45 PM
And?

There’s very little sign of a pattern of progress. More just the odd good performance in a season of similar shit, worse results despite a better squad
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on January 09, 2019, 03:25:41 PM
There’s very little sign of a pattern of progress. More just the odd good performance in a season of similar shit, worse results despite a better squad

Read the post above.

Think that perfectly sums it up.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: plumber on January 09, 2019, 03:48:13 PM
It would be a miracle if we weren't playing better and more attractive football with Richarlison, Bernard, Gomes, Digne and Zouma on the pitch instead of Lennon, Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Cuco and Williams, no matter who the manager is.
So it doesn't say much about Silva and doesn't justify poor results.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gary1878 on January 09, 2019, 04:19:09 PM
Anyone who thinks that we aren’t playing better football has “last season amnesia”.

The football we played last season was dreadful. The management was equally dreadful. The quality of players we had at our disposal doesn’t even compare to this season.

The way of the world now is to want instant gratification, and instant success. People want things now, and in some cases, that is fair enough. We all want to read that Everton are contenders for the league or champions league, and we all want success as soon as possible.

But trying to achieve what Everton are trying to do requires a lot of patience, and a great long term strategy. Constantly chopping and changing things because we haven’t won much in the short term completely goes against this.

The way I see it with managers is that it is like an investment into a stock. You always have a rationale for buying the stock at the outset. If the stock falls in price, you only sell it if that rationale has fundamentally changed from the reason that you bought it in the first place. Why did we hire Marco Silva, and has the rationale changed? We hired him to play a better brand of football and get closer to the top 6, and to some extent, I believe come the end of the season, he will have partially achieved this. We might not get closer to the top 6 this season, but I do think his time will come and we have the right man in place.

I want to see Silva given at least 3 years before he is judged on whether he will succeed in bringing our goals as a club to fruition. I am very happy that Brands is now here for the long term, so that we stop making irresponsible and rash decisions that only set us back rather than stabilise/move us forward.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2019, 04:43:46 PM
Moshiri's comment last night said it all. When he looks at the table it isn't good enough. Irrespective of all the good work Brands is doing, and he is changing the overall quality of the squad pretty impressively, we do need to start seeing more consistency. Not just in terms or results.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 09, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
Anyone who thinks that we aren’t playing better football has “last season amnesia”.

The football we played last season was dreadful. The management was equally dreadful. The quality of players we had at our disposal doesn’t even compare to this season.

The way of the world now is to want instant gratification, and instant success. People want things now, and in some cases, that is fair enough. We all want to read that Everton are contenders for the league or champions league, and we all want success as soon as possible.

But trying to achieve what Everton are trying to do requires a lot of patience, and a great long term strategy. Constantly chopping and changing things because we haven’t won much in the short term completely goes against this.

The way I see it with managers is that it is like an investment into a stock. You always have a rationale for buying the stock at the outset. If the stock falls in price, you only sell it if that rationale has fundamentally changed from the reason that you bought it in the first place. Why did we hire Marco Silva, and has the rationale changed? We hired him to play a better brand of football and get closer to the top 6, and to some extent, I believe come the end of the season, he will have partially achieved this. We might not get closer to the top 6 this season, but I do think his time will come and we have the right man in place.

I want to see Silva given at least 3 years before he is judged on whether he will succeed in bringing our goals as a club to fruition. I am very happy that Brands is now here for the long term, so that we stop making irresponsible and rash decisions that only set us back rather than stabilise/move us forward.



Better players, playing better football under better management..... results are worse. How’s that work/ we just really unlucky
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gary1878 on January 09, 2019, 05:38:41 PM
Better players, playing better football under better management..... results are worse. How’s that work/ we just really unlucky

Because it's a short term view of things. You can't completely judge someone over 21 games. It takes time to shape a philosophy and strategy. judge results over 3 years and then we can assess how well he is doing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: plumber on January 09, 2019, 06:56:28 PM
Because it's a short term view of things. You can't completely judge someone over 21 games. It takes time to shape a philosophy and strategy. judge results over 3 years and then we can assess how well he is doing.
No manager in the world gets 3 years trial period, it's nonsense. It will be 12 months, 18 max, if he won't start delivering.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2019, 07:25:04 PM
Because it's a short term view of things. You can't completely judge someone over 21 games. It takes time to shape a philosophy and strategy. judge results over 3 years and then we can assess how well he is doing.

If he's here in three years he's doing well. No-one gets three years these days without showing signs of progress. Martinez bought himself an extra year at the end by his overachievement in his first year.

I hope we are talking about Silva in three years. It means we'll have had the kind of stability the club needs with the new stadium on the horizon. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 09, 2019, 07:30:56 PM
Because it's a short term view of things. You can't completely judge someone over 21 games. It takes time to shape a philosophy and strategy. judge results over 3 years and then we can assess how well he is doing.

In your previous post you assessed the last three managers as dreadful yet they got nowhere near three years; in fact barely three years between them.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on January 09, 2019, 07:43:47 PM
I’m sure we can all agree that any long term strategy comes with the proviso that if he completely shits the bed he will lose his job. This is the premier league and it is not a very forgiving place.

But he would have to completely shit the bed and we aren’t anywhere near that yet.

On the plus side, it would mean hiring a manager our DOF has picked out rather than one our madcap owner has so you know, swings and roundabouts.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 09, 2019, 07:57:45 PM
I think we've been very supportive of Silva. There has been a positive feel to most match days and even the recent disappointing results have not been met with negative over reactions. 
The cup can now give us something to focus on and get a feel good factor going around the ground. I think because we have little in the way of a target in the league it does not help to inject any sort of impetus to the players and crowd.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2019, 08:16:44 PM
I think we've been very supportive of Silva. There has been a positive feel to most match days and even the recent disappointing results have not been met with negative over reactions. 
The cup can now give us something to focus on and get a feel good factor going around the ground. I think because we have little in the way of a target in the league it does not help to inject any sort of impetus to the players and crowd.

Good point. When you're chasing nothing and are stuck in a pretty mediocre bunch in the middle of the table with the top 6 a long way off in the distance then it can result in the type of atmosphere we see all too often at Goodison. Unless your manager is a great motivator.   
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on January 09, 2019, 09:38:11 PM
If he's here in three years he's doing well. No-one gets three years these days without showing signs of progress. Martinez bought himself an extra year at the end by his overachievement in his first year.

I hope we are talking about Silva in three years. It means we'll have had the kind of stability the club needs with the new stadium on the horizon.
Exactly this....critical few years coming up and I can't imagine moshri will tolerate underperformance.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mouse on January 09, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
I'm giving him this season as a freebie provided we don't collapse ridiculously. I still think the football we've played and tried to play has been a breath of fresh air after the last two seasons. We are far from perfect but you can't really begin to judge Silva (and Brands) until after the next summer transfer window.

The zonal marking remains a big concern and I do think you have to settle on consistent goalkeeper plus two (or 3 if that is the future) CB's to develop a proper understanding. As for the rest, it is a seismic change in style from Koeman and Allardyce which takes time for current players to adapt to and for the manager/DOF to get the additional players required.

I'd really start to worry if we are in the same league position this time next year but I'm hoping by then Silva will have his team playing his football. This season all about re-building (I hope!).
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on January 09, 2019, 10:04:19 PM
Yes a good point is that we’re trying to play good football.

It’s been stodgy at home a lot but that hasn’t been through lack of intent or commitment of numbers forward etc.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
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