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Title: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Everton News on September 14, 2018, 12:30:28 AM
Stadium funding going ahead

Everton Chairman Bill Kenwright says he is happy with the progress the club are making with the new stadium at Bramley Moore Docks, and said that the funding was "going ahead."

Source: Stadium funding going ahead (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2018/09/stadium-funding-going-ahead/)
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Post by: eugene on September 14, 2018, 01:42:08 AM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/09/13/colin-chong
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2018, 01:46:58 AM
The latest news is - that there will soon be some news
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 14, 2018, 01:48:03 AM
Hearing from kenwright on a new stadium isnít the most reassuring.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Thornton_19 on September 14, 2018, 06:03:38 AM
They are absolutley terrified of talking about it arent they. I can understand it after Kings Dock and Kirby, but them being so tetchy about it makes the fans worry.
They need to be more open, maybe give a few pictures to calm everyone down.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: blue1948 on September 14, 2018, 10:34:16 AM
I am not a sceptic  and up until today I was sure , the wording in that release seems to be have more doubt and hesitation than should be the case at this stage .They still haven't seemingly decided much more than they want a new stadium .The design is still in process the capacity is not settled and the list goes on .I do understand the complexity but nevertheless we are a way off seeing any concrete design -pun intended.The main thing that now worries me is that we are going to get a "world class stadium" for half the cost of Spurs stadium  ,despite the problems of the dock and what that means financially. Lack of a certain funding is not the problem for me but it seems harder to attract the money when there is no design in place especially if there is also no planning permission yet ,it is all a bit of a pipe dream.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Jamokachi on September 14, 2018, 01:43:24 PM
They are absolutley terrified of talking about it arent they. I can understand it after Kings Dock and Kirby, but them being so tetchy about it makes the fans worry.
They need to be more open, maybe give a few pictures to calm everyone down.

No they're not, everyone is just so damned impatient because of the culture of society with 24 hour sports news dedication, twitter, daily podcasts and so forth. People just need to chill and accept that it's a lengthy, complicated process.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Jamokachi on September 14, 2018, 01:46:26 PM
I am not a sceptic  and up until today I was sure , the wording in that release seems to be have more doubt and hesitation than should be the case at this stage .They still haven't seemingly decided much more than they want a new stadium .The design is still in process the capacity is not settled and the list goes on .I do understand the complexity but nevertheless we are a way off seeing any concrete design -pun intended.The main thing that now worries me is that we are going to get a "world class stadium" for half the cost of Spurs stadium  ,despite the problems of the dock and what that means financially. Lack of a certain funding is not the problem for me but it seems harder to attract the money when there is no design in place especially if there is also no planning permission yet ,it is all a bit of a pipe dream.

How do you propose securing funding post planning permission? And do you really think Everton are approaching investors with as little information as is in the public eye? Of course not!
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
No they're not, everyone is just so damned impatient because of the culture of society with 24 hour sports news dedication, twitter, daily podcasts and so forth. People just need to chill and accept that it's a lengthy, complicated process.

I really donít think thatís whatís causing the anxiety here.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: fubarruk on September 14, 2018, 03:17:04 PM
I am not a sceptic  and up until today I was sure , the wording in that release seems to be have more doubt and hesitation than should be the case at this stage .They still haven't seemingly decided much more than they want a new stadium .The design is still in process the capacity is not settled and the list goes on .I do understand the complexity but nevertheless we are a way off seeing any concrete design -pun intended.The main thing that now worries me is that we are going to get a "world class stadium" for half the cost of Spurs stadium  ,despite the problems of the dock and what that means financially. Lack of a certain funding is not the problem for me but it seems harder to attract the money when there is no design in place especially if there is also no planning permission yet ,it is all a bit of a pipe dream.
I think we need to stop drawing comparisons to Spurs new stadium. They've bought, demolished and built in the centre of London with all the trappings that come with it, yes there's a lot of work to be done with ours, but not on the same level of investment.

If Palace wanted to add a new stand on one side of Selhurst Park it would run into the hundreds of millions, the comparisons aren't valid.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: TheRam on September 14, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
I wouldíve liked to think when this was announced, nearly two years down the line we wouldíve had the funding secured.

Talk of being in there by 2021 is clearly nonsense now.

Understand itís a very complex process but it is frustrating that we seem so behind where we want to be.

Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Alanvideo on September 14, 2018, 03:49:55 PM

Without a firm figure for capacity there can't be a fully detailed planning application but hopefully the club have made a decision .Meis seemed to say at St.Lukes that the higher figures mentioned were unrealistic because of site constraints and cost so i reckon it will be 50 to 55k.
More worrying is the lack of news on the finance although ,as others have rightly said ,such sensitive information  is hardly likely to be made public. However, in the recent booklet 'Looking Forward ' put out by the club it said there would be news in the 3rd quarter of this year and we are nearly at the end of that.
From being confident BM will happen I'm becoming sceptical.
Dan Meis hasn't said anything for months and even Joe Andersen has gone quiet. When Bill Kenwright said the funding was going ahead ,he really should have said the search for funding is going ahead.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Escla on September 14, 2018, 04:32:50 PM
Without a firm figure for capacity there can't be a fully detailed planning application but hopefully the club have made a decision .Meis seemed to say at St.Lukes that the higher figures mentioned were unrealistic because of site constraints and cost so i reckon it will be 50 to 55k.
More worrying is the lack of news on the finance although ,as others have rightly said ,such sensitive information  is hardly likely to be made public. However, in the recent booklet 'Looking Forward ' put out by the club it said there would be news in the 3rd quarter of this year and we are nearly at the end of that.
From being confident BM will happen I'm becoming sceptical.
Dan Meis hasn't said anything for months and even Joe Andersen has gone quiet. When Bill Kenwright said the funding was going ahead ,he really should have said the search for funding is going ahead.

I think youíve just had the third quater News.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Toddacelli on September 14, 2018, 04:39:06 PM
I would guess that there is a pretty big obstacle lurking in here somewhere. Maybe heritage status, maybe planning permission, maybe funding investment - who knows?

What I do fully expect to see is once that blocker is removed/negotiated/fixed, that everything else falls into place very quickly and we suddenly get a surge in progress on this project and everyone will be bouncing - because they won;t be sitting on their arses waiting for one part to sorted - they'll be working on other aspects in the background until that can be cleared.

This is not putting up a tent in your back garden for a sleepover. Have faith.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 14, 2018, 04:42:22 PM
I would’ve liked to think when this was announced, nearly two years down the line we would’ve had the funding secured.

Talk of being in there by 2021 is clearly nonsense now.

Understand it’s a very complex process but it is frustrating that we seem so behind where we want to be.


Think its more frustrating because of the history we have with these things
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: BlueMaquis on September 14, 2018, 04:46:17 PM
No they're not, everyone is just so damned impatient because of the culture of society with 24 hour sports news dedication, twitter, daily podcasts and so forth. People just need to chill and accept that it's a lengthy, complicated process.

If sports news can be 24/7 then why can't our stadium development be too?
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Alanvideo on September 14, 2018, 04:47:21 PM
I think youíve just had the third quater News.
..............
I think youíve just had the third quater News.
..............yeh it's like The Fugitive looking for the one-armed man ,the search continues
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Escla on September 14, 2018, 04:57:45 PM
If sports news can be 24/7 then why can't our stadium development be too?

Eh ????
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: BlueMaquis on September 14, 2018, 05:03:00 PM
Eh ????

Get a couple of teams working shifts around the clock. Planners, construction workers, engineers. Could have the whole thing up in no time at all.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Macca77 on September 14, 2018, 05:05:38 PM
Think its more frustrating because of the history we have with these things

This is why it's taking so long, we've been bitten before.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Jamokachi on September 14, 2018, 05:08:13 PM
I really donít think thatís whatís causing the anxiety here.

Obviously theres our history in this area, but the age of information we live in is definitely a factor. Look at transfers as a prime example. Everton linked with player, article shared on twitter... 3 days later "ffs Everton, announce ... ". And it's the same with the stadium. People want to be kept updated of every single detail, like they want Everton to tweet when the architect farts ffs!
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Jamokachi on September 14, 2018, 05:10:31 PM
If sports news can be 24/7 then why can't our stadium development be too?

stop repeating me
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: BlueMaquis on September 14, 2018, 05:11:53 PM
stop repeating me

You were joking though weren't you?
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 14, 2018, 05:12:25 PM
Get a couple of teams working shifts around the clock. Planners, construction workers, engineers. Could have the whole thing up in no time at all.

 ::)
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Escla on September 14, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
Get a couple of teams working shifts around the clock. Planners, construction workers, engineers. Could have the whole thing up in no time at all.

Pointless employing all those people untill the funding and design is confirmed.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: BlueMaquis on September 14, 2018, 05:18:08 PM
Pointless employing all those people untill the funding and design is confirmed.

Funding and design goes under "planning" I would have thought
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 14, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
It's the 2023 season they're aiming for isn't it?
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: formerKHL on September 14, 2018, 05:25:17 PM
this is like everything else everton nowadays...people expect every minute of every meeting to be released to the fans....

it doesn't work that way.....if anyone has ever had anything to do with securing funding especially when dealing with local authorities, government office, even government officials...they''ll know these things take time...a whole lotta time..
My sister works for DCLG...they're a nightmare to deal with...

I applied for lottery funding once for a local youth football club to develop their training ground (it wanted new floodlighting) it involved the local authority...2 years down the line we were refused the funding as the local authority had delayed it too long.....all it needed was a letter saying the planning permission was going through....


floodlighting v New Stadium......don't hold yer breath not gonna be a quick process...
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Macca77 on September 14, 2018, 05:26:23 PM
It's the 2023 season they're aiming for isn't it?

Yep
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Alanvideo on September 14, 2018, 05:26:53 PM
It's the 2023 season they're aiming for isn't it?
.......................2022/23 is what has been said recently
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: TheRam on September 14, 2018, 05:34:09 PM
Big Joe said 2021 the other day apprantley.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2018, 11:36:25 PM
Big Joe said 2021 the other day apprantley.

Thought we were meant to be playing there in 2022...

I thought that felt early considering the area is currently submerged in a 100 year old dock on a world heritage site with no transport links but errr yeah, a year earlier why not!
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Goaljira on September 14, 2018, 11:53:32 PM
Absolutely no chance of 2021.  Even 2022 is borderline given we've not even got anything close to planning applied for yet.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Confucius on September 15, 2018, 12:47:40 AM
I think the ditherig and the struggles to secure funding has been an issue because of the shareholders and their 'voice" in this. It's why Moshiri has bought more shares.This project needs a figurehead ad an owner who calls the shots with advice and not group decision making as has been happening.

I agree it's a complex process but bigger deals than these take less time to sort through and secure funding for.
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Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 15, 2018, 01:16:38 AM
Absolutely no chance of 2021.  Even 2022 is borderline given we've not even got anything close to planning applied for yet.
The actual planning application is mostly rubber stamping what has been agreed informally after (in cases as big as this) hundreds of hours and months and months of meetings.
The complexity of a project like this is mind boggling. It's not like adding a conservatory on the back of a house and that can be complicated!!
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: blue1948 on September 15, 2018, 11:08:47 AM
How do you propose securing funding post planning permission? And do you really think Everton are approaching investors with as little information as is in the public eye? Of course not!
You haven't understood my post .It is about the statement from Kenwright saying that the funding is proving hard to put in place and the words he used .I am fully aware that they will be privvy to more than us but if the Everton board aren't sure of the capacity or in fact the design (because it is still out for discussion) then that is the point -that to secure funding with only a line drawing is not the best way.
On another reply yes I understand that Spurs have a different project to us but the "world class stadium" being built three years later on a difficult site will certainly not come cheap , i know about London loadings and all that entails but still I think 500 million is not where we will end up. I am also sure Mr Moshiri does too .
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: 74Blue on September 15, 2018, 04:31:56 PM
Tottenham's new stadium project had the added complexity of being right next to their old stadium and the requirement to relocate during the latter stages of development. We are building ours a couple of miles away from Goodison, so in the event of any sort of delay, we will still have a venue to play at whilst works are ongoing.
Brexit has to be a consideration though, as nobody can accurately predict what is going to happen to the economy once we finally leave the EU and just how badly that is going to affect the £. If the value of the £ drops significantly, as is quite likely, the cost of importing materials required spirals accordingly, making the cost of building even higher.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: blue1948 on September 15, 2018, 06:00:57 PM
Tottenham's new stadium project had the added complexity of being right next to their old stadium and the requirement to relocate during the latter stages of development. We are building ours a couple of miles away from Goodison, so in the event of any sort of delay, we will still have a venue to play at whilst works are ongoing.
Brexit has to be a consideration though, as nobody can accurately predict what is going to happen to the economy once we finally leave the EU and just how badly that is going to affect the £. If the value of the £ drops significantly, as is quite likely, the cost of importing materials required spirals accordingly, making the cost of building even higher.


I understand your points although the fact it is next to is of no real significance .The point is they are starring down the barrel of 1BILLION pounds not half of that ! We have the dock to contend with heritage concerns that WILL cost money and we are going to get a "world class" stadium for half the cost ,no no no  seŮor.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Escla on September 15, 2018, 06:05:48 PM
I understand your points although the fact it is next to is of no real significance .The point is they are starring down the barrel of 1BILLION pounds not half of that ! We have the dock to contend with heritage concerns that WILL cost money and we are going to get a "world class" stadium for half the cost ,no no no  seŮor.

Whatís the definition of ďworld classĒ then ?
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: 74Blue on September 15, 2018, 06:16:06 PM
Liverpool's waterfront is iconic and instantly recognisable worldwide. Having our new stadium as part of that iconic scene could make it a world famous landmark even before we start playing there. If the design is right, it could be termed as world class before we even move in there, just by virtue of the design blending perfectly with the existing iconic surroundings.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Escla on September 15, 2018, 06:20:20 PM
Liverpool's waterfront is iconic and instantly recognisable worldwide. Having our new stadium as part of that iconic scene could make it a world famous landmark even before we start playing there. If the design is right, it could be termed as world class before we even move in there, just by virtue of the design blending perfectly with the existing iconic surroundings.

What are these ďiconic surroundingsĒ of Bramley Moore you speak of ?
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: 74Blue on September 15, 2018, 06:28:45 PM
I'm talking about the three graces, which are little more than a stones throw away, plus the plans that have been in place for a long, long time for Peel holdings to develop all of the area surrounding our new home, which will no doubt be kickstarted and pushed on with a £500m+ development taking place slap bang in the middle of their land. Did you see the plans that Peel have for Liverpool Waters. If they get that project off the ground, which is a lot more likely with an existing huge development already in place, the whole area will be transformed and will only enhance the already iconic view of the three graces with a fantastic backdrop that Everton Football Club will be part of.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Alanvideo on September 15, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
What are these ďiconic surroundingsĒ of Bramley Moore you speak of ?
..............as well as those mentioned by @74Blue (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1949)  ,even closer to B-M dock are such iconic structures as the Victoria Tower (dockers clock ),Titanic Hotel ,the bascule bridge ,the dock walls themselves etc.etc.  All these structures will be restored and the whole area will attract tourists by the thousand irrespective of the footie.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: phillyt on September 15, 2018, 07:54:02 PM
With everything going on in the past week or so with a sudden glut of articles in the press about the stadium. This Coupled with moshiri buying extra shares (not to mention Usmanov jibbing arsenal) I was starting to think that maybe we were building up to a significant announcement. Then this morning I discover (seen on Twitter) the lesser spotted meiss is in the uk and going the match tomorrow.

Does anyone else feel our hunger for Bramley Moore information is going to be satisfied quite soon?
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Confucius on September 16, 2018, 01:04:46 AM
I donít get this world renowned Liverpool dock thing. I love Everton but have never seen a pic or heard of the dock until this stadium plan.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Simon Paul on September 16, 2018, 01:23:52 AM
I don't get this world renowned Liverpool dock thing. I love Everton but have never seen a pic or heard of the dock until this stadium plan.
It's the docks as a whole, which we're the lifeblood of most sea lines over a couple of centuries.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Escla on September 16, 2018, 01:26:13 AM
I donít get this world renowned Liverpool dock thing. I love Everton but have never seen a pic or heard of the dock until this stadium plan.

A docks a dock, not sure what a world renowned dock is and I canít see a brick wall and a clock attracting
Global tourism. The Liver Buildings are perhaps recognised as an iconic building but thatís a long way from Bramley Moore, I dont get this ďworld class stadiumĒ thing, I donít know what world class means ?
If I have a comfortable seat in a 50-55,000 seater stadium with more leg room than I have in the upper Gwladys, with decent toilets and
much improved catering facilities, easily accessible by taxi from Lime St. I couldnít give a  rats what it looks like from the outside, itís not going to become the 8th wonder of the world.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 16, 2018, 01:46:54 AM
To a dock spotter it's a creation of considerable beauty.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Alanvideo on September 16, 2018, 01:49:02 AM
I think @Confucius (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) and @Escla (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5210) may be taking the piss. Either that or their education is sadly lacking.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: TheRam on September 16, 2018, 01:58:27 AM
The docks here are boss lads.

@Escla (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5210) you never been down there when youíre up for a game?
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Escla on September 16, 2018, 02:09:01 AM
The docks here are boss lads.

@Escla (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5210) you never been down there when youíre up for a game?

Ram, and Alan video, Iím not taking the piss at all. My grandfather came over from Ireland and walked every morning to Garston docks in the hope that he might get hired for the day to put some food on the table (after heíd put a shilling aside for the priest who called round every Friday on his collection rounds, my mother told me that even if they hadnít eaten there would be food on the table for the priest and they were to say they had already eaten) Iíve done well in my life but Iíve always told my kids, now adult, what their heritage is, might cloud my judgement a bit about what a dock is, but Iím still serious about whatís more important for me in the new stadium and itís not going to be a tourist attraction whatever it looks like, Liverpool is a great tourist destination but a football stadium out of town will never be a major attraction unless you are an Evertonian.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Ross on September 16, 2018, 02:25:08 AM
Think people are mistaken thinking BM is the same iconic opportunity as Kings Dock.

One would have featured in every postcard of Liverpoolís waterfront, the other is about a mile or more away up the river next to a sewage plant.

We need a new stadium and itís a good location for us building wise and will hopefully propel us forward as a club but itís not an iconic location and very unlikely to ever be given its distance from the centre any time in the near future given Peels project has a time limit of about 50 years even if it does actually come to fruition.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Alanvideo on September 16, 2018, 02:48:53 AM
Think people are mistaken thinking BM is the same iconic opportunity as Kings Dock.

One would have featured in every postcard of Liverpoolís waterfront, the other is about a mile or more away up the river next to a sewage plant.

We need a new stadium and itís a good location for us building wise and will hopefully propel us forward as a club but itís not an iconic location and very unlikely to ever be given its distance from the centre any time in the near future given Peels project has a time limit of about 50 years even if it does actually come to fruition.
...............you have a good point about the location of Kings Dock but don't forget in the 1980's they were ready to bulldoze the Albert Dock Warehouses into the silted up dock. Once the Albert Dock was saved ,other developments followed. But it needed something to kick it off. 
Peel have plans for the entire waterfront up to BM and it might take 20 to 30 years ,in which case I won't see it. In the meantime the Titanic Hotel is doing pretty well despite it's isolated location. More new businesses will open along the dock road  as Peel's residential developments progress.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Bally on September 16, 2018, 02:57:26 AM
Ram, and Alan video, I'm not taking the piss at all. My grandfather came over from Ireland and walked every morning to Garston docks in the hope that he might get hired for the day to put some food on the table (after he'd put a shilling aside for the priest who called round every Friday on his collection rounds, my mother told me that even if they hadn't eaten there would be food on the table for the priest and they were to say they had already eaten) I've done well in my life but I've always told my kids, now adult, what their heritage is, might cloud my judgement a bit about what a dock is, but I'm still serious about what's more important for me in the new stadium and it's not going to be a tourist attraction whatever it looks like, Liverpool is a great tourist destination but a football stadium out of town will never be a major attraction unless you are an Evertonian.
Garston docks is not Liverpool docks fella
The Albert Dock attracts abiut 15m PA possibly more, its a world heritage site for a reason. Google it and have a look. Same for you Con have a look
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Ross on September 16, 2018, 03:08:32 AM
...............you have a good point about the location of Kings Dock but don't forget in the 1980's they were ready to bulldoze the Albert Dock Warehouses into the silted up dock. Once the Albert Dock was saved ,other developments followed. But it needed something to kick it off. 
Peel have plans for the entire waterfront up to BM and it might take 20 to 30 years ,in which case I won't see it. In the meantime the Titanic Hotel is doing pretty well despite it's isolated location. More new businesses will open along the dock road  as Peel's residential developments progress.

Like I said Al thereís about a mile and a half between where BM is and the iconic location of the 3 graces and AD and KD is about a 3 minute walk to them.

Sadly the opportunity to be considered as part of the picturesque scenery of Liverpoolís waterfront has bypassed us now and this location doesnít change it.

Like I said though it doesnít mean this is the wrong move, we need this, itís just that we wonít be appearing on any postcards around the world like people seem to believe.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Bally on September 16, 2018, 03:20:31 AM
Like I said Al there's about a mile and a half between where BM is and the iconic location of the 3 graces and AD and KD is about a 3 minute walk to them.

Sadly the opportunity to be considered as part of the picturesque scenery of Liverpool's waterfront has bypassed us now and this location doesn't change it.

Like I said though it doesn't mean this is the wrong move, we need this, it's just that we won't be appearing on any postcards around the world like people seem to believe.
Ever the optimist eh!
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Escla on September 16, 2018, 03:24:58 AM
Garston docks is not Liverpool docks fella
The Albert Dock attracts abiut 15m PA possibly more, its a world heritage site for a reason. Google it and have a look. Same for you Con have a look

Not saying a Garston docks are Liverpool docks but they are docks in Liverpool, Albert Docks are stunning and surely a great attraction but donít see the connection between the Albert Dock and Bramley Moore ?
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Ross on September 16, 2018, 03:39:09 AM
Ever the optimist eh!

Realist eh.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Simon Paul on September 16, 2018, 04:04:50 AM
Realist eh.
Do you not think that area could become worthy of postcards?

Titanic Hotel and the tobacco warehouse being redeveloped along with our stadium could be quite a nice shot with the 6 side clock in the background.

Its a fuckload more picturesque than Stokes ground.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Bally on September 16, 2018, 04:06:38 AM
Realist eh.
Or miserable cunt
Whichever you prefer love
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Bally on September 16, 2018, 04:09:59 AM
Not saying a Garston docks are Liverpool docks but they are docks in Liverpool, Albert Docks are stunning and surely a great attraction but don't see the connection between the Albert Dock and Bramley Moore ?
It's about a mile away and fully connected by a walkway (which does need work) a canal and a couple of roads, Garston docks is about 4 miles away.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Simon Paul on September 16, 2018, 04:16:10 AM
It's about a mile away and fully connected by a walkway (which does need work) a canal and a couple of roads, Garston docks is about 4 miles away.
And in Garston, the dog shit capital of Merseyside.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Alanvideo on September 16, 2018, 04:17:06 AM
Like I said Al thereís about a mile and a half between where BM is and the iconic location of the 3 graces and AD and KD is about a 3 minute walk to them.

Sadly the opportunity to be considered as part of the picturesque scenery of Liverpoolís waterfront has bypassed us now and this location doesnít change it.

Like I said though it doesnít mean this is the wrong move, we need this, itís just that we wonít be appearing on any postcards around the world like people seem to believe.

................not arguing @Ross (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316) but who'd have thought this mudheap and derelict dockland could be transformed into what it is today ,is all I'm saying.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Escla on September 16, 2018, 04:24:42 AM
And in Garston, the dog shit capital of Merseyside.

Why would dogs shit more in Garston than anywhere else in Liverpool ?
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Thornton_19 on September 16, 2018, 04:28:41 AM
The fact that it will be the first thing all the cruise ship tourists will see as they sail in and the last as they sail out is a big thing in my opinion.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Confucius on September 16, 2018, 04:56:44 AM
It's the docks as a whole, which we're the lifeblood of most sea lines over a couple of centuries.

Thatís a long time ago now. Nobody really cares about except people in Liverpool.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: TheRam on September 16, 2018, 05:01:13 AM
Thatís a long time ago now. Nobody really cares about except people in Liverpool.

A lot of people come from all over the world and visit it though.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Jamokachi on September 16, 2018, 05:01:35 AM
Thatís a long time ago now. Nobody really cares about except people in Liverpool.

No, history drives tourism and interest globally, irrespective of subject matter. You're being very ignorant here.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Risky on September 16, 2018, 05:09:13 AM
Thatís a long time ago now. Nobody really cares about except people in Liverpool.

You're being ridiculous.  Liverpool gets visitors from all over the world for various reasons.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: MarcusFenix on September 16, 2018, 05:19:16 AM
The fact that it will be the first thing all the cruise ship tourists will see as they sail in and the last as they sail out is a big thing in my opinion.

This is my thought on it as well. I used to live on the Isle Of Man and in terms of ships coming into Liverpool the BM dock is much more visible than the Kings Dock.


It will really grate on those kopites who use the ferry from IOM to see a magnificient world class stadium.

I use the dock road frequently and IMO its not that far from Pier Head, Crowne, Malmaison etc...The Titanic always seems to be busy as well.

As others have said it will certainly kick start the Northern part of Liverpool Waters, and could well end up as vibrant and appealing as the Albert Dock area
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 16, 2018, 05:20:34 AM
Do you not think that area could become worthy of postcards?

Titanic Hotel and the tobacco warehouse being redeveloped along with our stadium could be quite a nice shot with the 6 side clock in the background.

Its a fuckload more picturesque than Stokes ground.
Went past Stoke''s ground this morning and felt the chimney at the council''s  incineration plant next door adds a certain grandeur to their joint skyline. I'd certainly buy a postcard showing it.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 16, 2018, 05:34:45 AM
Just get the fucker built and then worry about the postcards.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 16, 2018, 05:55:57 AM
Some ignorant cunts in here like
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 16, 2018, 06:03:47 AM
Some weird obsession with postcards here. Who the fuck still sends postcards!
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Thornton_19 on September 16, 2018, 06:14:15 AM
That's a long time ago now. Nobody really cares about except people in Liverpool.
You do know the Albert Dock is the most visited free attraction in the UK. I work there and its all they bang on about.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Ross on September 16, 2018, 06:36:54 AM
Do you not think that area could become worthy of postcards?

Titanic Hotel and the tobacco warehouse being redeveloped along with our stadium could be quite a nice shot with the 6 side clock in the background.

Its a fuckload more picturesque than Stokes ground.

Whoís ever called Stokes ground ďiconicĒ, a ground thatís thatís built on a landfill sit and sunk?

Sadly Itíll take decades before redevelopment of that area makes BM iconic

Or miserable cunt
Whichever you prefer love

Not really you just have look at my previous posts to see Iím not miserable, or a cunt.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Jamokachi on September 16, 2018, 06:44:12 AM
Some weird obsession with postcards here. Who the fuck still sends postcards!

My dad.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: TheRam on September 16, 2018, 06:52:30 AM
Whoís ever called Stokes ground ďiconicĒ, a ground thatís thatís built on a landfill sit and sunk?

Sadly Itíll take decades before redevelopment of that area makes BM iconic

Not really you just have look at my previous posts to see Iím not miserable, or a cunt.

You do realise the area is already undergoing redevelopment with the tobacco warehouse and titanic hotel?

Itís also a stonesthrow away from town and the pier head and will attract investors and developers wanting a piece of the action.

Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Confucius on September 16, 2018, 09:23:04 AM
You're being ridiculous.  Liverpool gets visitors from all over the world for various reasons.
.

Of course they do but itís not to come check out the docks. Maybe you have heard of the Beatles.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Confucius on September 16, 2018, 09:29:00 AM
Ok I stand corrected maybe. I will be honest. Other than reading about Liverpool as a major port city a couple generations ago, it isnít a place that I have ever heard of advertised or seen pictures of internationally when people search for tourist attractions in England and Scotland. I have even researched things to do in Liverpool and visiting the docks has not come up and besides people on here, I wouldnít know it was anything more than old abandoned buildings.

Thatís just my take. Call me ignorant fine. And this isnít an attack on your city. It is just my take as someone not from there and what I see.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Jamokachi on September 16, 2018, 10:16:21 AM
That's some shit research, Con.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Silas on September 16, 2018, 01:20:23 PM
The ground won't be an attraction on its own but its abundantly clear the ground is the centre of a project. It would be very easy to see that panning shot of the Liverpool that people always take staying from there in the future and sweeping down towards town
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: blue1948 on September 16, 2018, 02:07:00 PM
Whatís the definition of ďworld classĒ then ?

Ask Dan Meis it is his quote.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Confucius on September 16, 2018, 02:42:02 PM
That's some shit research, Con.

Maybe, but I think you guys are all brought up around there so maybe attribute bigger meaning to places you proud of. Thatís great.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/most-popular-attractions-in-britain-in-2016/amp/
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 16, 2018, 02:48:42 PM
I think maybe that's a little harsh on @Confucius (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) . I know on this site we've got people from all over the world, but we're here because we're Evertonians, so we're likely to know a little bit more about Liverpool as a city.
From my wife's family in Sweden they only know Liverpool for Liverpool FC and the Beatles, and Id say that's pretty typical of most of Europe tbh.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Alanvideo on September 16, 2018, 03:58:08 PM
Maybe, but I think you guys are all brought up around there so maybe attribute bigger meaning to places you proud of. Thatís great.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/most-popular-attractions-in-britain-in-2016/amp/
..................the Telegraph article you quote is based only on attractions which belong to ALVA a trade association.
It's laughable to believe that Chester Zoo for example has more visitors than the Albert Dock which  attracts over 6m visitors p.a.
https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/northwest/albert-dock-hails-record-breaking-year
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 16, 2018, 04:15:52 PM
..................the Telegraph article you quote is based only on attractions which belong to ALVA a trade association.
It's laughable to believe that Chester Zoo for example has more visitors than the Albert Dock which  attracts over 6m visitors p.a.
https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/northwest/albert-dock-hails-record-breaking-year

Doesn't the Trafford centre get over 30m visitors a year? I doubt it's the first thing anyone thinks of that when they think of Manchester.

Not knocking the docks, or the location of the new stadium. I love our waterfront and couldn't be happier with the new stadium location, but I think people are a little blinkered thinking the Liverpool Docks are as iconic to people outside the UK as they are to people in the UK.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Normm on September 16, 2018, 04:54:18 PM
The Liverpool waterfront is iconic and world famous - and will be even more iconic to people around the world with the new developments and the building of the Everton stadium - it needs to be of a stand-out design  (which I'm sure it will be). It will also bring in far more tourists to the front and city centre. - It's great for Liverpool, regardless of what team we support. Can't wait to see it built.  :cheers:

Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Lxxx on September 16, 2018, 05:06:29 PM
The Liverpool waterfront is iconic and world famous - and will be even more iconic to people around the world with the new developments and the building of the Everton stadium - it needs to be of a stand-out design  (which I'm sure it will be). It will also bring in far more tourists to the front and city centre. - It's great for Liverpool, regardless of what team we support. Can't wait to see it built.  :cheers:



I donít necessarily think it will bring in far more tourists, it will just be an added attraction to the ones who would otherwise visit Liverpool and the waterfront.

Weíd need to be playing in European competitions regularly for it to get the wider exposure to bring a benefit to the area just by playing football there.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 16, 2018, 05:12:32 PM
I kind of don't care what the stadium 'means' to anyone else aside from Everton fans either.

I'm looking forward to having a new stadium and it's great for the fans. Arguably the 2 most well known stadiums in the UK are Old Trafford and Anfield and them stadiums have little to do with their city centres. Their grounds have become iconic because of the success of their teams, and that's what I hope for our stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: 74Blue on September 16, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
I'm looking forward to the tourists getting off the cruise ships and hopping onto that big red bus expecting for it to take them to that fantastic new stadium that they have just gone past on the ship, then ending up at Mordor and complaining that they really wanted to go to the big fuck off stadium on the dock that looked so fantastic from the Mersey.
Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: TheRam on September 16, 2018, 05:51:18 PM
I think maybe that's a little harsh on @Confucius (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) . I know on this site we've got people from all over the world, but we're here because we're Evertonians, so we're likely to know a little bit more about Liverpool as a city.
From my wife's family in Sweden they only know Liverpool for Liverpool FC and the Beatles, and Id say that's pretty typical of most of Europe tbh.

Agree with that but a lot of people still come to Liverpool and visit the docks. 5th most visited city in Britain and the docks are a massive part of that.

I go there on my lunch and itís full of tourists from all over the world.

Hopefully we can take advantage of that having a stadium part of that.

Title: Re: [News]Stadium funding going ahead
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 16, 2018, 05:54:54 PM
Agree with that but a lot of people still come to Liverpool and visit the docks. 5th most visited city in Britain and the docks are a massive part of that.

I go there on my lunch and itís full of tourists from all over the world.

Hopefully we can take advantage of that having a stadium part of that.



Completely agree that once people are here they visit the Docks, it's beautiful down there. I just don't think many people outside the UK associate the Docks with Liverpool.

Besides all that, I'm made up with the location of the new stadium.