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Title: Racist chanting
Post by: toshyboy on December 21, 2018, 03:58:42 PM
http://www.skysports.com/share/11587689

Whatís all this about ? Whatís the chant?
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Macca77 on December 21, 2018, 04:04:04 PM
Probably be similar to the Lukaku song United fans used to sing ?
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bluenose 91 on December 21, 2018, 04:30:10 PM
Yeah it's along those lines.

Probably bit extreme to call it racist but it's just an absolutely shite song anyway.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bluedylan on December 21, 2018, 04:41:53 PM
Can anybody post the words of the song, or a clip?
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bluedylan on December 21, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
Ignore that. Just heard it. About the size of his dick.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: brap2 on December 21, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Canít say Iíve seen it but yeah, shame and I agree with how itís handled. Itís embarrassing for the people whoíve sung it or shared it in like semi ignorant good faith, but you canít make light of racial stereotypes and thatís that.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Macca77 on December 21, 2018, 04:53:25 PM
Ignore that. Just heard it. About the size of his dick.

It's not as big as people think

What.....?
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Simon Paul on December 21, 2018, 05:01:48 PM
And yet Gazzas story about Les Ferdinands cock is fine.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 21, 2018, 05:02:31 PM
So fucking cringe
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: gizzblue on December 21, 2018, 05:32:47 PM
Tainting the club. ..bravo fucking idiots ....shut like this sticks these days ...especially when we're not a media darling .
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Macca77 on December 21, 2018, 05:38:55 PM
It's very very cringe, not racist at though
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: 74Blue on December 21, 2018, 05:41:48 PM
Is it really that different from the song Utd fans sang about Vidic. He comes from Serbia. He'll fucking murder you. Nemanja.
Just like the snowflakes are complaining about the Yerry Mina chant making all Columbians out to be involved in drug trafficking, does the Vidic chant not make out that all Serbs are murdering scumbags? Neither are of course true and are just lazy stereotypes.
I'm not saying that this particular song is particularly tasteful, but it is interesting that this particular chant has been picked on, when it's quite apparent that it's not a problem that is just specific to Everton.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 21, 2018, 05:43:15 PM
Using the word 'snowflakes' is the more cringey thing this fucking year.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bluedylan on December 21, 2018, 06:11:19 PM
It is racist lads, sorry to break it to you.

Highlighting and focusing on black people's physical attributes is a thing that's dated back to slavery.

The people involved in this chant possibly weren't intending to be malicious, and it's more of an ignorance thing, which we're all guilty of or have been guilty of. But then people probably need to educate themselves a bit more.

Also, if you use the word 'snowflake' without any hint of irony, there's a strong likelihood that you're a bit of a cunt.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Simon Paul on December 21, 2018, 06:28:34 PM
West Brom chant about Victor Anichebe that went un-noticed by Kick it Out...

Victors got a massive cock
victor, Victor
he tucks it in his football sock
victor, Victor
he shagged a girl and now shes dead, he swings his c**k around his head, Victor Anichibe's Albions number one"

Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Brownie on December 21, 2018, 07:18:12 PM
Using the word 'snowflakes' is the more cringey thing this fucking year.

I like the response that a snowflake is unique. But when I get people using it as an insult to me I just say Ďsnowflakes together create an avalanche - and that can make a difference.í
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Simon Paul on December 21, 2018, 07:22:21 PM
we live in a world where nothing is allowed

a man can't call a woman a woman even when she has self-identified as a woman anymore

you can't say that someone might have a big schlong because it is statistically likely that he may have one that is bigger than a white person's anymore

you can't punch a horse while wearing a Newcastle shirt anymore

it's just gone mad hasn't it?
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 21, 2018, 07:34:20 PM
West Brom chant about Victor Anichebe that went un-noticed by Kick it Out...

Victors got a massive cock
victor, Victor
he tucks it in his football sock
victor, Victor
he shagged a girl and now shes dead, he swings his c**k around his head, Victor Anichibe's Albions number one"



Victor's entire time at West Brom went un-noticed.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Simon Paul on December 21, 2018, 07:44:03 PM
Victor's entire time at West Brom went un-noticed.

that game he was played as a holding midfielder was a particular stand-out low, however
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: bigmanbob on December 21, 2018, 07:44:28 PM
we live in a world where nothing is allowed

a man can't call a woman a woman even when she has self-identified as a woman anymore

you can't say that someone might have a big schlong because it is statistically likely that he may have one that is bigger than a white person's anymore

you can't punch a horse while wearing a Newcastle shirt anymore

it's just gone mad hasn't it?

Wholeheartedly agree, what a load of bollocks over nothing. I wish someone would tell me I had a big nob
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Escla on December 21, 2018, 07:46:06 PM
I think you have a very big knob bigman :hug:
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: TheRam on December 21, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
that game he was played as a holding midfielder was a particular stand-out low, however

Goodness me, I remember this. I havenít been the same person since.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: bigmanbob on December 21, 2018, 08:00:54 PM
I think you have a very big knob bigman :hug:
Ha, ha, why thank you
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 21, 2018, 08:42:37 PM
What if the player actually DOES have a noticeable hog, is that sommet we just have to ignore?  :D

The best way to know someone is using the term ironically (at least over here) is to spell it "snowflaek" and/or put "smh" after it.  Of course, that requires one's audience to know you are mocking the general stupidity of the alt-right crowd, so is best done sparingly.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: colin on December 21, 2018, 08:48:37 PM
What if the player actually DOES have a noticeable hog, is that sommet we just have to ignore?  :D


Talking about Distin was it?
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 21, 2018, 08:57:00 PM
Talking about Distin was it?

or DCL!
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Tinga on December 21, 2018, 09:14:48 PM
You really can't say anything anymore can you, we should honestly just sit and clap while wearing bubble wrap, don't want people getting offended.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: bigmanbob on December 21, 2018, 09:16:32 PM
You really can't say anything anymore can you, we should honestly just sit and clap while wearing bubble wrap, don't want people getting offended.
The Judeans People Front take offence to this
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: phillyt on December 21, 2018, 09:36:33 PM
I think before we decide if itís racist or not we need to know if itís factually accurate or not. Iím told that it appears generous ďclose upĒ Iím hoping the wife just means from the front of the gwladys.

If he is generously blessed then surely far from being a song about a black man stereotype, itís just a song about a man.

On a side note Iím pretty sure kick it out have some sort of issue with Everton. From this, to contrasting reactions to Brewster/holgate situations and as far back as the pathetic way they failed to support lescott over emre despite overwhelming evidence.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: BlueWool on December 21, 2018, 09:58:43 PM
Maybe we should just stop talking and singing about footballersí cocks, racism or not.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bingham Boy on December 21, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Well how will they explain this old Everton song?


Big Bob Latch had a 10 foot lash so he showed it to the lady next door
She thought it was a snake so she hit it with a rake
And now it's only 5 foot 4
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bingham Boy on December 21, 2018, 10:07:19 PM
Also:
I'll tell you a story about a man named Bob he could score goals with the end of his knob
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Toddacelli on December 21, 2018, 10:13:52 PM
Well how will they explain this old Everton song?


Big Bob Latch had a 10 foot lash so he showed it to the lady next door
She thought it was a snake so she hit it with a rake
And now it's only 5 foot 4


Oh Christ.

We're in danger here of it now becoming 'it was a racist stereotype to assume the cock thing was because he was black so now Kick It Out are the racists' and we all disappear up our own arseholes.

Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bluedylan on December 21, 2018, 10:16:19 PM
Well how will they explain this old Everton song?


Big Bob Latch had a 10 foot lash so he showed it to the lady next door
She thought it was a snake so she hit it with a rake
And now it's only 5 foot 4


Also:
I'll tell you a story about a man named Bob he could score goals with the end of his knob

I'd imagine neither of those things would be an issue, because there's never been a history of reducing white men to predatory, sexual animals in the way there has been with black men.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 21, 2018, 10:40:51 PM
Great site, lads
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: van der Meyde on December 21, 2018, 10:58:45 PM
Jesus fucking christ.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 21, 2018, 11:05:39 PM
Jesus fucking christ.

Good Ďere, innit.

I wonder if Alf Garnettís still got an NSNO account 🤔
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 21, 2018, 11:50:10 PM
Its not though, its in bad taste,  but ask any person of colour to tell you the racist abuse they've experienced as a child and adult and being told you've got a big cock, or assuming you've got a big cock will not be up there.

Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 22, 2018, 12:23:13 AM
Its not though, its in bad taste,  but ask any person of colour to tell you the racist abuse they've experienced as a child and adult and being told you've got a big cock, or assuming you've got a big cock will not be up there.



You probably donít know that many then.

My brother-in-law told me that growing up in New York and often getting called stupid n****r, and only being praised for his athleticism or perceived outsized genitalia was all part of the same thing.

Painted as an outsider and a meatheaded physical freak is no fun as a kid, and the scars go deep.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 22, 2018, 12:29:12 AM
You probably donít know that many then.

My brother-in-law told me that growing up in New York and often getting called stupid n****r, and only being praised for his athleticism or perceived outsized genitalia was all part of the same thing.

Painted as an outsider and a meatheaded physical freak is no fun as a kid, and the scars go deep.

Only my own mother, but granted she doesn't have a cock.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 22, 2018, 12:31:10 AM
Only my own mother, but granted she doesn't have a cock.

Iíll take your word for it
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Tinga on December 22, 2018, 12:33:12 AM
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I'd imagine neither of those things would be an issue, because there's never been a history of reducing white men to predatory, sexual animals in the way there has been with black men.

...do we really sing it because Mina is black though or because he's 6 foot fucking 5 and probably has a massive dick?
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 22, 2018, 12:34:19 AM
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...do we really sing it because Mina is black though or because he's 6 foot fucking 5 and probably has a massive dick?

I think it is naive to think that. Its obviously because he is black.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Tinga on December 22, 2018, 12:35:54 AM
I think it is naive to think that. Its obviously because he is black.

Says who? The only thing offensive here is assuming he loves the lemo because he's Colombian  lolol that however seems to be ok but oh god, not his big dick, hide your wives.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bluedylan on December 22, 2018, 12:38:13 AM
Says who? The only thing offensive here is assuming he loves the lemo because he's Colombian  lolol that however seems to be ok but oh god, not his big dick, hide your wives.

Do some reading.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: TheRam on December 22, 2018, 12:38:22 AM
Says who? The only thing offensive here is assuming he loves the lemo because he's Colombian  lolol that however seems to be ok but oh god, not his big dick, hide your wives.

Itís naive to think we donít sing it because heís black tbh.

Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 22, 2018, 12:38:54 AM
Says who? The only thing offensive here is assuming he loves the lemo because he's Colombian  lolol that however seems to be ok but oh god, not his big dick, hide your wives.

Not going to waste my time repeating what others have said, about why this is racist. I dont for one second think that the people singing the song were being malicious. But there is no doubt about it, that its racist.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Tinga on December 22, 2018, 12:40:33 AM
Do some reading.

Nice retort, you sure showed me.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 22, 2018, 12:51:38 AM
Do some reading.

Pick your battles
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: TheTone on December 22, 2018, 01:03:51 AM
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...do we really sing it because Mina is black though or because he's 6 foot fucking 5 and probably has a massive dick?

Tallist
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: brap2 on December 22, 2018, 01:35:54 AM
Tell you whose best placed to judge what is and isnít racist?

Bunch of white fellas on the internet.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Macca77 on December 22, 2018, 02:23:07 AM
Tell you whose best placed to judge what is and isnít racist?

Bunch of white fellas on the internet.

Racist
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 22, 2018, 02:50:32 AM
Tell you whose best placed to judge what is and isnít racist?

Bunch of white fellas on the internet.

Yeah, but some shit is pretty cut and dry, especially if you have grown up being close to men of colour or have some in your family
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: bluenuck on December 22, 2018, 02:55:35 AM
Tell you whose best placed to judge what is and isnít racist?

Bunch of white fellas on the internet.

How do you know we're all white?  :)
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 22, 2018, 03:40:29 AM
Yeah, but some shit is pretty cut and dry, especially if you have grown up being close to men of colour or have some in your family

In general ye, alot of racism is pretty cut and dry, but there are others that divide opinion, even amongst people that particular ethnicity/community/clade or whatever else.

 This particualr subject isn't cut and dry (i dont think), some people wouldn't think they are the subject of racist abuse if it was said about them, but maybe some do.
I jumped in earlier and said it's not, I was probably being a bit hasty and thinking about people close to me, on reflection I could see how some people could feel uncomfortable with it. Arguably there are links to "beast" "monster" thrown in too.
For example, I dont think saying a black guy has a big cock is racist. However, saying to a mixed race or black girl "I bet your dad has a big cock" I think is 100% racist.

Its a weird one and I think it's more complex than some peopls make out it is.

In general its not something I want to hear, its crude and in bad taste, but equally I wouldn't consider someone a racist if they said it.


Edit: just to add, its 100% being sang becuase he's black. People didn't sing these songs about Dunc, Crouch, Carroll or any other big non black players.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 22, 2018, 04:08:36 AM
some very good points in this thread, and some posts that made me lol literally.

i guess its supposed to be a funny chant, kinda backwards chant bigging up the player.. but many of the pc brigade dont see that. being a person of 'color' (to me that alone is racist, its like saying white people are color-less) it all depends on the nature or the tone the chant/words are being sad. ie if a comedian (white/black/asian/whatever) said anything like that.. the audience would laugh.. so many comedians make 'racist' jokes. some of the best asian/indian comedians i have seen have made 'racist' jokes about their own people...

 i see it as racist; and i can see it how people can see it as an amusing funny chant. its just racial stereo types, that the ignorant and older generation find funny.


Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: hannu on December 22, 2018, 05:02:47 AM
i have not heard the chant, so am not commenting on if it is racist or not but on the general way in that people react to anything that can be used to vilify someone, while i understand some peoples point of view, i think its really pathetic that almost everything can be turned to be racist sexist homophobic etc

it might be a stereotype but is stereotyping that bad all the time? there are levels to it, saying a black man has a big dick might be childish but is it really that offensive? you could say anyone has a big dick regardless of there colour and  i think they would take it as a compliment

Jeremy Corbyn is being vilified for calling Theresa May a stupid woman, she is a woman and by the looks of it incredibly stupid, but you can not call a woman a woman anymore? if she had called him a stupid man would it be an issue?

anyway i digress from my point

my point is everyone is equal and should be respected and valued for who and what they are does not matter if they are white, black, gay, straight, man or woman but it should not be a problem to mention the differences between people rather it should be celebrated rather than everyone take offence to every little thing

i have had a couple of beers, am not sure if ive made my argument clear, somewhere behind my incoherent jumble of words there is some semblance of a valid point (possibly)
 
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 22, 2018, 05:13:21 AM
It's all a smokescreen to divert attention away from Evertonians inability to come up with any decent songs.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Toddacelli on December 22, 2018, 08:58:27 PM
It brings up the issues of context and intent as well.

I'd like to see those done and dusted with to be honest. Was race mentioned in the song? No. Was the intent to vilify, discredit or reduce the man in any way? No.

However, these things do. So we should just draw a line and say "Ok, we get it, you were doing it tongue in cheek and never meant to hurt anyone but here's the thing - it does. It does hurt people and your 'we were only joshing' type of racism can not only still hurt people - but it gives other people an excuse to go further. So we're drawing a line and saying none of it is acceptable."

On a scale of Wrong, numbered 1-10 - even your 1's and 2's are still Wrong and we won't get rid of the 9's and 10's until we draw the line on all of it. Then people can't bleat about context and intent.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Toddacelli on December 22, 2018, 09:58:13 PM
I'll give you a personal anecdote of something that happened to me recently.

I work for a global company servicing many countries, so most of my coworkers are from all over the world. In my team of 9 I am the only white English person. There are about 100 people where I work.

One of the people I sit next to, let's call him 'G' (because I do!), comes from a small country in Africa called Benin that I had never heard of before I met him.

So one day G comes in moaning about the English weather pissing down and how he cut his hand on his umbrella. Well I thought it was hilarious. Laughing my head off I said "Of course he's cut his hand on his brolly - man's from Benin - he's never seen rain before!"

G got upset at that so I suggested we go chat somewhere private.

When we were alone I said "So how come you can say that in England it's always raining but I can't say that in Africa it never rains?"

He said to me "When you say something like that to me, I don't mind because we're friends. But when you say it in front of everyone I have to shut it down."
"Why?"
"Because if other people think it is ok to say stuff to me about being African, I guarantee one of them at some point will say the wrong thing and then we'll have a big problem."

So I learned something then. G's experience is so different to mine. Yes, there are some things certain people can 'get away with' (or however you want to put it) or put up with in different situations - but if we don't draw that line and say it is all totally unacceptable - people are going to get hurt.

So instead of "Oh it's ok to say that but it's not ok to say this?"

Lets cut out the confusion and just make a stand because that joke you like that you think is 'only mildly racial' - it's holding the door open for some real nasty shit.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 22, 2018, 10:36:32 PM
There's usually some truth in a stereotype or you wouldn't connect the two. I know there are some scousers with curly hair and tashes even though it's used as a stereotype of scousers so there's some truth in it.. There are black guys with big cocks and even though it may be a stereotype it's none the less true in some cases. Is it racist? If you want it to be. I bet he gets worse comments off the lads in the changing rooms if it's true.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 22, 2018, 11:49:18 PM
Feels like it's been a while since we played..
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: brap2 on December 22, 2018, 11:51:01 PM
There's usually some truth in a stereotype or you wouldn't connect the two. I know there are some scousers with curly hair and tashes even though it's used as a stereotype of scousers so there's some truth in it.. There are black guys with big cocks and even though it may be a stereotype it's none the less true in some cases. Is it racist? If you want it to be. I bet he gets worse comments off the lads in the changing rooms if it's true.

Yeah my dude but think about it like this,

Say there was some truth about black fellas having big knobs, how do you think that was used for hundreds of years? They were treated as more animal than man, and the myth of the big mazzy knob was used to beastialize them in the eyes of white people. Make them freaks. Animals that can’t be trusted around women. More cock than mind, more beast than man. Be scared of them and treat them with fear and contempt. Hundreds of years of that, wearing chains and straps for most of it.

I get annoyed when someone uses the scouser on tour on the rob and arguing with each other while whammoed about the togger. That was Harry fucking Enfield mate, and how much truth was in it compared to how much does that image still live on today? Harry Enfield Vs centuries of being treated like less than a fucking horse, and millions of people being raped, murdered, abused and killed.

Edit: does that make sense? I’ve had a crimbo jeffrey.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 23, 2018, 12:27:25 AM
I agree with you Brap but the poor treatment of black people wasn't related to their cock size, more their colour. Christianity considered them heathen and less godly hence the efforts to indoctrinate them. Throughout the ages cock size has been linked to virility and many races created images of the phallus. Porn has added to the obsession of cock size equaling better sex. I doubt Mina is bothered about it either but as others have said it wasn't malicious just ignorant maybe. As for the scouser thing. If we didn't recognise Harry Enfield's characterisation we wouldn't get it. My uncle was that scouser in the 80's as where many others... Stereotypes work because we recognise them on some level.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2018, 12:53:12 AM
Itís not intended as abuse and I doubt Mina was offended. A strange thing to make the headlines.


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Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2018, 12:54:10 AM
I agree with you Brap but the poor treatment of black people wasn't related to their cock size, more their colour. Christianity considered them heathen and less godly hence the efforts to indoctrinate them. Throughout the ages cock size has been linked to virility and many races created images of the phallus. Porn has added to the obsession of cock size equaling better sex. I doubt Mina is bothered about it either but as others have said it wasn't malicious just ignorant maybe. As for the scouser thing. If we didn't recognise Harry Enfield's characterisation we wouldn't get it. My uncle was that scouser in the 80's as where many others... Stereotypes work because we recognise them on some level.

But it was part of it, it was connected to it. Itís not about intent or offence itís that itís a relic of something much deeper and more painful.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 23, 2018, 12:54:28 AM
Urgh. Itís almost 2019 and thereís still big black cock jokes knocking about. That level of laziness is almost as annoying as seeing it continuously explained to people why itís just not on to say things like this.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 23, 2018, 01:19:05 AM
are small indian cock jokes ok? cos going by graphs... indians/asians have the smallest peckers.

links to studies and other sources

https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php
https://www.medicaldaily.com/penis-size-study-113-countries-shows-who-comes-out-top-242840


info graph for those that dont want to check the sources

(https://www.bodyrock.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screen-Shot-2015-02-26-at-4.03.27-PM.png)

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Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2018, 01:34:48 AM
*sigh*
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2018, 01:37:22 AM
are small indian cock jokes ok? cos going by graphs... indians/asians have the smallest peckers.

links to studies and other sources

https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php
https://www.medicaldaily.com/penis-size-study-113-countries-shows-who-comes-out-top-242840


info graph for those that dont want to check the sources

(https://www.bodyrock.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screen-Shot-2015-02-26-at-4.03.27-PM.png)

(https://www.bodyrock.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screen-Shot-2015-02-26-at-4.03.14-PM.png)

Huh, didnít know I was Indian.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2018, 01:43:55 AM
Surprised to see Mexico rank so highly.
Title: Racist chanting
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2018, 02:01:29 AM
are small indian cock jokes ok? cos going by graphs... indians/asians have the smallest peckers.

links to studies and other sources

https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php
https://www.medicaldaily.com/penis-size-study-113-countries-shows-who-comes-out-top-242840


info graph for those that dont want to check the sources

(https://www.bodyrock.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screen-Shot-2015-02-26-at-4.03.27-PM.png)

(https://www.bodyrock.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screen-Shot-2015-02-26-at-4.03.14-PM.png)

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..guys?


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Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Risky on December 23, 2018, 02:21:12 AM
Surprised to see Mexico rank so highly.

What have you been up to?
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 23, 2018, 02:27:04 AM
They never asked me. I'd 'ave brought that average down a bit.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: TheTone on December 23, 2018, 07:27:32 AM
Fuming here, it's not even that cold
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Confucius on December 23, 2018, 01:11:22 PM
South African average was 6.1 before I left the country.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bally on December 23, 2018, 03:28:38 PM
Tell you whose best placed to judge what is and isn't racist?

Bunch of white fellas on the internet.
I'm not white I define as blue

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Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
I identify as a toffee.


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Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 24, 2018, 01:27:58 AM
I identify as a toffee.


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i prefer the term Everton mints, cos black and white, brown in the centre.. :s
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 25, 2018, 01:05:32 AM
Does Soccer AM still have a feature were they ask guests which of their teammates has the biggest cock? Not mentioned in the original article.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: chang on December 25, 2018, 01:24:27 AM
Does Soccer AM still have a feature were they ask guests which of their teammates has the biggest cock? Not mentioned in the original article.

"who's the longest in the shower?" I think is what they used to ask ...
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 25, 2018, 01:48:56 AM
Does Soccer AM still have a feature were they ask guests which of their teammates has the biggest cock? Not mentioned in the original article.

Slightly irrelevant to the debate though isn't it. They're not inferring any particular race or nationality has the  biggest cock, they're just asking who has.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 25, 2018, 01:59:30 AM
Slightly irrelevant to the debate though isn't it. They're not inferring any particular race or nationality has the  biggest cock, they're just asking who has.

I haven't heard the song. Does it mention Mina's race or just his cock?

Also if Soccer AM is ten years old and the people singing the song are say 20-25 years old it may be that the subject matter is more acceptable to them as they have grown up with it on mainstream tv.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 25, 2018, 02:16:06 AM
I haven't heard the song. Does it mention Mina's race or just his cock?

Also if Soccer AM is ten years old and the people singing the song are say 20-25 years old it may be that the subject matter is more acceptable to them as they have grown up with it on mainstream tv.

No it doesn't mention his race, but its being sang because of his race.

It probably is that, which is why i said I'd be hesitant to label someone a racist who sang it. If it's brought to light that some black men feel uncomfortable with it or feel racially stereotyped or even racially abused, then its about educating other people so it doesn't carry on.

I initially thought it was PC gone mad, but I've changed my mind on it
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Major Clanger on December 27, 2018, 03:09:36 PM
It is racist lads, sorry to break it to you.

Highlighting and focusing on black people's physical attributes is a thing that's dated back to slavery.

The people involved in this chant possibly weren't intending to be malicious, and it's more of an ignorance thing, which we're all guilty of or have been guilty of. But then people probably need to educate themselves a bit more.

Also, if you use the word 'snowflake' without any hint of irony, there's a strong likelihood that you're a bit of a cunt.

Specifically the "black people have massive dicks" stereotype, while sounding like a compliment, was actually invented and spread by missionaries, to emphasise their animal-like nature and thus provide a moral basis for slave trade.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2018, 04:01:33 PM
Specifically the "black people have massive dicks" stereotype, while sounding like a compliment, was actually invented and spread by missionaries, to emphasise their animal-like nature and thus provide a moral basis for slave trade.

In a nutshell (tenuous pun intended)
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 28, 2018, 01:56:10 AM
What's our current position on making jokes about Yakubu's age.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Fynci on December 28, 2018, 02:40:30 AM
I didnít think Iíd ever post a book recommendation on here, but this is well worth a read: https://www.bookdepository.com/Why-Im-No-Longer-Talking-White-People-About-Race-Reni-Eddo-Lodge/9781408870587


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Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2018, 04:49:11 PM
Specifically the "black people have massive dicks" stereotype, while sounding like a compliment, was actually invented and spread by missionaries, to emphasise their animal-like nature and thus provide a moral basis for slave trade.

Indeed. This comes a little later, but as an example of a frankly horrendous text written, this kind of thing illustrates some of the thinking that went along with those kinds of attitudes - http://losinger.altervista.org/documents/HowardMedicine.pdf

(some direct quotes)

Quote
When education will reduce the large size of the Negroís penis, as well as bring about the sensitiveness of the terminal fibers which exist in the Caucasian, then will it also be able to prevent the Africanís birthright to sexual madness and excess.

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The truth is that the negro of today, untrammeled and free of control, is rapidly showing atavistic tendencies. He is returning to a state of savagery, and in his frequent attacks of sexual madness, his religious emotionalism, superstition, and indolence, is himself again - a savage. This animalism, this innate character of the African, will demonstrate itself more and more as his is allowed the liberty of his sway of ancestral sexual impulses...'

That was written by a fucking doctor in 1903. Next time someone says 'I don't know why anyone would complain about being told they've got a big dick', people should have some fucking awareness where this drivel and these awful associations come from.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: colin on December 28, 2018, 08:52:01 PM
That was written by a fucking doctor in 1903. Next time someone says 'I don't know why anyone would complain about being told they've got a big dick', people should have some fucking awareness where this drivel and these awful associations come from.
First time I heard this in my life and i suspect these views are not present in the vast majority of people who had any thoughts about black guys being bigger.  Seems like we should celebrate when a negative thing is lost in time, no? Unpopular opinion maybe but to me it seems like calling something like this racist because people over 100 years ago said something similar but with a different meaning only preserves those hateful views we are trying to eradicate.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Omar on December 28, 2018, 09:12:16 PM
something someting, Irish curse, something something.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Major Clanger on December 29, 2018, 04:24:08 AM
First time I heard this in my life and i suspect these views are not present in the vast majority of people who had any thoughts about black guys being bigger.  Seems like we should celebrate when a negative thing is lost in time, no? Unpopular opinion maybe but to me it seems like calling something like this racist because people over 100 years ago said something similar but with a different meaning only preserves those hateful views we are trying to eradicate.

It isn't lost in time for black people.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: brap2 on December 29, 2018, 04:53:44 AM
You can put literally anything in front of some people and they will find a way to see past it.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 29, 2018, 04:59:22 AM
You can put literally anything in front of some people and they will find a way to see past it.

Yeah, especially white Western males over the age of 45
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Major Clanger on December 29, 2018, 05:32:29 AM
Yeah, especially white Western males over the age of 45

I've got 5 good years left then.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 29, 2018, 05:33:37 AM
I've got 5 good years left then.

Different generation, bro
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: brap2 on December 29, 2018, 05:35:11 AM
I've got 5 good years left then.

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Title: Racist chanting
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 29, 2018, 06:14:05 AM
I get what some people are saying about how it was used as a tool (no pun intended) to justify lynching black men a hundred or so years ago, but that's really not the case now.

It's a stereotype that's stuck for so long because it's a bit true, as many penis studies have shown. It's not abuse, it's just a stereotype, and you can stereotype without being racist.

It's a crap song and a bit distasteful so good riddance to it, but I'm betting Mina wasn't offended by it.


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Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 29, 2018, 07:10:39 AM
I'm betting Mina wasn't offended by it.


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Maybe. Maybe not. Iím betting weíre a bunch of ignorant and uneducated wankers for singing it at him though.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 29, 2018, 09:13:05 AM
Yeah, especially white Western males over the age of 45
Come on Sam is that not the type of sweeping generalisation that's being talked about here? A lot of us oldies aren't racist either ya know.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 29, 2018, 02:17:11 PM
Come on Sam is that not the type of sweeping generalisation that's being talked about here? A lot of us oldies aren't racist either ya know.

Yes it is, and it was intentionally provocative, to highlight the irony
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Simon Paul on December 29, 2018, 02:40:06 PM
Made up that a song being sung by 20 people (tops) on a coach away from the ground is still getting so much attention. Especially as the argument has changed and progressed so far.

We get it Sam, white people - men in particular - are just awful.   
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 29, 2018, 02:50:08 PM
Made up that a song being sung by 20 people (tops) on a coach away from the ground is still getting so much attention. Especially as the argument has changed and progressed so far.

We get it Sam, white people - men in particular - are just awful.   

I was deliberately stereotyping, which is what the song was doing.

Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: Simon Paul on December 29, 2018, 03:07:40 PM
I was deliberately stereotyping, which is what the song was doing.
They stopped doing it ages ago though.
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: sam of the south on December 29, 2018, 03:23:39 PM
They stopped doing it ages ago though.

I donít know what you mean
Title: Re: Racist chanting
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 04, 2019, 02:59:34 AM
Yeah, especially white Western males over the age of 45


your post reminded me of the word 'gammon'.