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Title: Gana's replacement
Post by: boothill on June 04, 2019, 08:58:23 PM
I cant remember who it was, but ive read on here a few times a post pushing for Baines to be introduced to a defensive midfield roll and it got me thinking. I know he hasnt gone, and i dont want him to. But the likelihood is that a good offer for Gana is likely to be accepted ? So would john joe kenny be able to have the technique and tactical skills drilled into him to replace Gana. He certainly has the physical and athletic atributes for the role. Just a thought.

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Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 04, 2019, 09:04:03 PM
I cant remember who it was, but ive read on here a few times a post pushing for Baines to be introduced to a defensive midfield roll and it got me thinking. I know he hasnt gone, and i dont want him to. But the likelihood is that a good offer for Gana is likely to be accepted ? So would john joe kenny be able to have the technique and tactical skills drilled into him to replace Gana. He certainly has the physical and athletic atributes for the role. Just a thought.

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Am gonna give it a firm no
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 04, 2019, 09:21:27 PM
I cant remember who it was, but ive read on here a few times a post pushing for Baines to be introduced to a defensive midfield roll and it got me thinking. I know he hasnt gone, and i dont want him to. But the likelihood is that a good offer for Gana is likely to be accepted ? So would john joe kenny be able to have the technique and tactical skills drilled into him to replace Gana. He certainly has the physical and athletic atributes for the role. Just a thought.

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That's some strong shit you've been smoking, pass it round
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: D15TIN on June 04, 2019, 09:21:54 PM
starting reading that and thought you were suggesting baines, hes been talked about as a possible CM, but Kenny? In such an important role, that's gotta be a no, think hes off on loan anyway by the sounds of it
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: mikey_blue on June 04, 2019, 09:22:28 PM
The only reason why Baines was even considered at CM was because, he was far and away our best footballer, and often the only player who could pass the ball forward. It was also a fashionable because Philip Lahm done it. 

Theres absolutely nothing in JJK's game that shows that he'd be adept to this position, let alone replace one of the leagues best at it. He should focus on being a RB and getting game time wherever he can to learn the position he's meant to play instead. 
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 04, 2019, 09:41:21 PM
I cant remember who it was, but ive read on here a few times a post pushing for Baines to be introduced to a defensive midfield roll and it got me thinking. I know he hasnt gone, and i dont want him to. But the likelihood is that a good offer for Gana is likely to be accepted ? So would john joe kenny be able to have the technique and tactical skills drilled into him to replace Gana. He certainly has the physical and athletic atributes for the role. Just a thought.

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Your talking about a defensive midfielder PSG want being replaced by a right back who’s probably not good enough to play his preferred position in the premier league. Oh and it was everyone’s favourite lunatic roberto Martinez who wanted to move baines
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 04, 2019, 09:46:52 PM
haa oh dear
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: boothill on June 04, 2019, 09:47:40 PM
The only reason why Baines was even considered at CM was because, he was far and away our best footballer, and often the only player who could pass the ball forward. It was also a fashionable because Philip Lahm done it. 

Theres absolutely nothing in JJK's game that shows that he'd be adept to this position, let alone replace one of the leagues best at it. He should focus on being a RB and getting game time wherever he can to learn the position he's meant to play instead.
I understand what your saying Mikey. Gana one of the best in the prem at what he does. Tackling, intercepting and breaking up play. Gives us zilch going forward though, well hardly zilch. Ive watched JJK improve in his position while standing in for seamus. His tackling and intercepting is coming on , hes made the odd howler. but he does have time and ability on his side. And thank you for your reasoned reply

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Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: boothill on June 04, 2019, 09:49:02 PM
Your talking about a defensive midfielder PSG want being replaced by a right back who's probably not good enough to play his preferred position in the premier league. Oh and it was everyone's favourite lunatic roberto Martinez who wanted to move baines
Martinez never posted on here, or did he ?

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Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Waltzer on June 04, 2019, 09:50:01 PM
I cant remember who it was, but ive read on here a few times a post pushing for Baines to be introduced to a defensive midfield roll and it got me thinking. I know he hasnt gone, and i dont want him to. But the likelihood is that a good offer for Gana is likely to be accepted ? So would john joe kenny be able to have the technique and tactical skills drilled into him to replace Gana. He certainly has the physical and athletic atributes for the role. Just a thought.

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Maybe we could give Sandro a go there, hes got a good engine?
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: boothill on June 04, 2019, 09:55:46 PM
Maybe we could give Sandro a go there, hes got a good engine?
As he hell

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Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: boothill on June 04, 2019, 10:06:16 PM
Going on his past outings. For a striker there is probably a good DM in there

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Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: ajax_andy on June 04, 2019, 10:07:37 PM
What... Hold on... Huh... Eh?
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: brap2 on June 04, 2019, 10:29:04 PM
Mods ban him
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Macca77 on June 04, 2019, 10:40:33 PM
Had a mare here like
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Gash on June 04, 2019, 11:59:43 PM
At least last summer we could have blamed this on heat stroke or something.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 05, 2019, 12:08:20 AM
Martinez never posted on here, or did he ?

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Probably not but the whole idea was originally his. Based on the fact that lahm was doing it. He wasnt really a deep thinker Martinez
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Cozzie on June 05, 2019, 01:04:54 AM
Had a bit of a Weston Super here bothill, haha.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Shogun on June 05, 2019, 01:06:16 AM
Tbf Sir Alex Ferguson thought it was a good idea to put Phil Neville in midfield so we all make mistakes.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Toddacelli on June 05, 2019, 06:57:58 PM
Would rather have Jags do it!

But it does make me want to comment on the fact that I've read on here a few times how we could easily replace him with someone cheaper so we should take the money.

I really don't think he is an easy player to replace at all - possibly the hardest to replace, in fact.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Morta75 on June 09, 2019, 11:10:02 PM
Rather give Davis or Beni a go then. Or a checky bid for Sander Berge
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: blueToffee on June 09, 2019, 11:17:47 PM
Would rather have Jags do it!

But it does make me want to comment on the fact that I've read on here a few times how we could easily replace him with someone cheaper so we should take the money.

I really don't think he is an easy player to replace at all - possibly the hardest to replace, in fact.

Don't think he's easy to replace, but at the same time given his age if we wanted to make any resell value on him this would be the last chance. I don't think we're quite in the position to be giving large last contracts for players to see out their careers. He is turning 30 at the start of the season, so as much as a I love him and would be happy with him staying, I can see the logic if Brands decides to sell.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 10, 2019, 12:49:43 AM
Don't think he's easy to replace, but at the same time given his age if we wanted to make any resell value on him this would be the last chance. I don't think we're quite in the position to be giving large last contracts for players to see out their careers. He is turning 30 at the start of the season, so as much as a I love him and would be happy with him staying, I can see the logic if Brands decides to sell.

I think it’s really dangerous to sell him. Your point about his sell on value vs the cost of another contract is 1 id normally agree with but for me not only is he our best player he’s also the 1 who allows us to play sigurdsson and Gomes together despite them not having a lot of defensive quality. The worry is we can’t get a like for like replacement for gueye (we’ll end up with someone more rounded) and in a 3 with the other 2 they might not have enough defensively. We lose gueye we might need to lose 1 of the others too
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: blueToffee on June 10, 2019, 12:59:51 AM
I think it’s really dangerous to sell him. Your point about his sell on value vs the cost of another contract is 1 id normally agree with but for me not only is he our best player he’s also the 1 who allows us to play sigurdsson and Gomes together despite them not having a lot of defensive quality. The worry is we can’t get a like for like replacement for gueye (we’ll end up with someone more rounded) and in a 3 with the other 2 they might not have enough defensively. We lose gueye we might need to lose 1 of the others too

It's a risk whenever you sell a good player, but whether it's this summer or in 2-3 years time given the way he runs about combined with his age he's going to need replacing. That's what we're bringing in Brands to do though, solve these issues and we probably have to trust in the system to do that.

You probably have to consider he was seemingly interested in going to PSG, so while we could bat them back mid-season it could just leave us with a disgruntled player long term.

As I said, I'd be happy to see him in the squad again next season, but I think we might sell him rather than offer him a 4-5 year deal.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Ell Capitan on June 10, 2019, 02:09:39 AM
Why not just erect a giant vibrating dildo a few yards in front of the edge of the area. Reckon that’d do about as good a job.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 10, 2019, 02:11:30 AM
Why not just erect a giant vibrating dildo a few yards in front of the edge of the area. Reckon that’d do about as good a job.

Offer a lot more penetration than Gueye does
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 10, 2019, 01:08:43 PM
There’s no one else in the squad who can deputise for Gana, so we need to bring someone in. Whether it’s a replacement or a youngster who can settle in before trying to challenge, is up to Brands.


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Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Macca77 on June 10, 2019, 01:25:35 PM
Carvalho please
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Hesmenos on June 10, 2019, 01:40:41 PM
This might be something Silva could be looking at. Instead of replacing Gana, we could get an upgrade to Schneiderlin to play in front of the defence. This could then allow us to push Gomes further forward or bring in a more creative player
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 11, 2019, 01:08:27 AM
I go back to wanting it to be a partial swap deal.  There's so much good, young, attacking talent in France - surely PSG could send us an interesting player to get the deal across the line?
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: American Evertonian on June 11, 2019, 01:18:22 AM
Carvalho please

How did that move to Betis work out for him?
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2019, 12:31:25 AM
Just switched AFCON on and he's scored a lovely goal for Senegal v Benin.

Lovely between the lines pass to mane then took it back off him and drove into the box and buried it.

Think his form since the second half of the year has been absolutely superb.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 11, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
Just switched AFCON on and he's scored a lovely goal for Senegal v Benin.

Lovely between the lines pass to mane then took it back off him and drove into the box and buried it.

Think his form since the second half of the year has been absolutely superb.

Love him. Doesn’t get it half the credit he deserves.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2019, 01:21:07 AM
Let's sell him.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Trowel on July 11, 2019, 01:24:21 AM
Just look at that.

https://twitter.com/Eurosport_UK/status/1149008554331901953
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2019, 01:25:40 AM
Sign Mane
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Brownie on July 11, 2019, 01:33:10 AM
One of my favourite players of the last 20 years
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 11, 2019, 01:52:58 AM
Not entirely sure mane means to give it gueye there
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 11, 2019, 02:03:43 AM
Mane and Gana actually work very well together for Cisse's bunch.  They always seem to keep an eye out for one another.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Macca77 on July 12, 2019, 12:12:01 AM
French media reporting PSG have bid 30 million euros
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Escla on July 12, 2019, 12:14:39 AM
French media reporting PSG have bid 30 million euros
What did we pay for him?
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Brownie on July 12, 2019, 12:16:06 AM
What did we pay for him?

7m wasn’t it?
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: velimski on July 12, 2019, 12:16:36 AM
What did we pay for him?

£7m

He had a very low release clause.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Escla on July 12, 2019, 12:26:32 AM
So if we sold for £27m (30m euros) it would be a £20m profit, could probably squeeze another £5m out of them but think this time it’s inevitable that he will go, would make sense having Delph ready to step in, providing we don’t pay anywhere near what we get for Gana and his wages are no more than Ghana’s, they are both 29.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: velimski on July 12, 2019, 12:31:39 AM
So if we sold for £27m (30m euros) it would be a £20m profit, could probably squeeze another £5m out of them but think this time it’s inevitable that he will go, would make sense having Delph ready to step in.

Would make even more sense buying somebody better than Delph.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2019, 12:33:02 AM
We want 50m euros don't we?
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2019, 12:37:39 AM
He’s our best player and even more importantly we are gonna struggle to find a replacement that keeps a decent balance with Gomes and sigurdsson. Think this might be the 1 deal where getting the best value isn’t the best move. We need him
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Escla on July 12, 2019, 12:39:16 AM
Would make even more sense buying somebody better than Delph.
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Using that logic it would have made more sense to buy somebody better than Bernard, Mina, Pickford, Gomes, etc.etc.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: velimski on July 12, 2019, 12:51:05 AM
Would make even more sense buying somebody better than Delph.
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Using that logic it would have made more sense to buy somebody better than Bernard, Mina, Pickford, Gomes, etc.etc.

Not at all. They were all upgrades on whoever they replaced.

Delph for Gana isn't an upgrade.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: TheRam on July 12, 2019, 12:51:11 AM
What do we mean by French media though?

Reliable or non reliable?
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Macca77 on July 12, 2019, 01:00:13 AM
What do we mean by French media though?

Reliable or non reliable?

L'Equipe, no idea how reliable they are like
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: TheRam on July 12, 2019, 01:03:55 AM
L'Equipe, no idea how reliable they are like

Same. Anyone know if they’re legit or not?
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Escla on July 12, 2019, 01:06:28 AM
Not at all. They were all upgrades on whoever they replaced.

Delph for Gana isn't an upgrade.

See what you mean !
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2019, 01:08:27 AM
Same. Anyone know if they’re legit or not?

They’re the big sports paper but have a high volume of reporting.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Simon Paul on July 12, 2019, 01:26:06 AM
Davies will play deeper if needs be
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 12, 2019, 02:53:59 AM
Davies will play deeper if needs be

 :McCarthy:
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2019, 02:59:46 AM
He is the most important player in the side but if there is a gentleman’s agreement, as has been rumoured, that we wouldn’t stand in his way if they can in for him again in the summer then I’m sure we’ll have a shortlist that we’re already progressed with.

Having said that his form in the second half of the season was outstanding so he’ll be difficult to replace, if we go like for like. Silva might fancy a more flexible midfield three moving forwards.
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2019, 03:09:22 AM
He is the most important player in the side but if there is a gentleman’s agreement, as has been rumoured, that we wouldn’t stand in his way if they can in for him again in the summer then I’m sure we’ll have a shortlist that we’re already progressed with.

Having said that his form in the second half of the season was outstanding so he’ll be difficult to replace, if we go like for like. Silva might fancy a more flexible midfield three moving forwards.

Agree if we’ve promised him a move then we should keep the promise.
Worrying thing is I’m not sure we can go with a more flexible 3 given we’ve already got Gomes and sigurdsson. We will probably need a like for like for gueye
Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Waltzer on July 12, 2019, 03:53:40 AM
He is the most important player in the side but if there is a gentleman's agreement, as has been rumoured, that we wouldn't stand in his way if they can in for him again in the summer then I'm sure we'll have a shortlist that we're already progressed with.

Having said that his form in the second half of the season was outstanding so he'll be difficult to replace, if we go like for like. Silva might fancy a more flexible midfield three moving forwards.
I was all for him going as I don't think he's great on the ball, but you're right the second part of the season he was awesome and it said a lot about his character that after his dream move failed he took it to another level. He would be hard to replace that's for sure

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Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 12, 2019, 06:03:05 AM
He's so outstanding at what he does that you cant go like for like.

I'd like to see Davies take it up a level this season.

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Title: Re: Gana's replacement
Post by: dangermouse on July 12, 2019, 05:57:06 PM
He cant go, I dont think I can change my fantasy football team name ..... Im Gueye for Gomes :(