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Title: Kean (On loan to PSG)
Post by: Toddacelli on August 11, 2019, 02:43:54 PM
Looked for a topic on our bright new spark - seems like there are none and people would rather bash the likes of DCL and Bernard rather than look to the future and the rest of this season.

Anyways...     Kean.....

The commentators pissed me off yesterday when Kean was walking around watching the game and they said "He must be wondering where Dybala and Ronaldo is!'. To be fair though it was a shit game and they weren't wrong.

My stream was up and down like a young Coleman so what I actually saw was patchy but...

It looked to me the one time he got the ball like all the Everton players just stopped and looked at him, expecting him to do something magical. With no movement around him and no options he just had to give it back.

I hope our expectations aren't going to be like that for the rest of this season. He's a young lad and needs as much support as possible. I'm looking forward to seeing how much he develops in his first season in the PL but I worry that he's gonna get roasted on here.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cozzie on August 11, 2019, 03:51:28 PM
Can't read in too much for a second half cameo.

I'd give him the start against Watford tbh and get the Goodison crowd right behind him from the off. Get his confidence up.

Be interesting to see his whole style of play being honest. If he is able to play link up or is he the type who tries to create magic by himself.

I don't think anyones expecting a 19 year old foreigner to hit the ground running straight off but it would be great if he could.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Tinga on August 11, 2019, 04:13:26 PM
The quickness of his mind impressed me yesterday, Palace gave the ball away and he was pretty much instantly pointing and making his run, shame the ball was bad but maybe on a less windy day that's a goal. Not to go all Klopp on this though.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 11, 2019, 04:48:12 PM
There is a huge Kean thread already :)

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on August 11, 2019, 05:11:10 PM
Iíd like to see us go 2 up top to help him work his way into the team, DCL to do the grunt work to make space for Kean
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ravardo on August 11, 2019, 07:22:06 PM
Exactly what i wanted when rooney came back,, rooney dcl and when we signed tosun,, tosun dcl wouldve really helped and id like to see it happen with kean but it aint gonna happen is it,, he will be up there on his lonesome but hey at least weve got dcl to take some of the shit for him
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 11, 2019, 07:45:13 PM
I'd like to see us go 2 up top to help him work his way into the team, DCL to do the grunt work to make space for Kean
It's a gamble for Silva to do that because it means dropping the main source of goals, Sigurdson.

I'd like to see it though.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on August 11, 2019, 07:49:27 PM
If the treatment of DCL is anything to go by I really hope this lad isnít a confidence player. Heís a hot prospect but isnít going to be the magic fix every one expects. Just hope the boo boys can give him time
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ravardo on August 11, 2019, 07:59:48 PM
It's a gamble for Silva to do that because it means dropping the main source of goals, Sigurdson.

He needs to be bed in slowly comin on for 30 mins in the second half,,,maybe keep siggs on and go 3 at the back when we can

I'd like to see it though.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 11, 2019, 08:22:37 PM

Stop talking over me.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ravardo on August 11, 2019, 08:41:43 PM
Wtf gawd knows what happened there
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2019, 08:45:02 PM
If the treatment of DCL is anything to go by I really hope this lad isnít a confidence player. Heís a hot prospect but isnít going to be the magic fix every one expects. Just hope the boo boys can give him time

What bad treatment has DCL had. Seems like most on here think the sun shines out his arse despite little evidence heís good at football. Not seen anyone say anything worse than heís not very good
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ravardo on August 11, 2019, 08:56:25 PM
On every thread over and over and over....
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on August 11, 2019, 09:16:46 PM
What bad treatment has DCL had. Seems like most on here think the sun shines out his arse despite little evidence heís good at football. Not seen anyone say anything worse than heís not very good

Statements like there is little evidence heís good at football are a bit silly. Heís obviously good at football or he wouldnít be playing it professionally. Slightly different to not being a very good Premier League player
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Tinga on August 11, 2019, 09:24:36 PM
If the treatment of DCL is anything to go by I really hope this lad isnít a confidence player. Heís a hot prospect but isnít going to be the magic fix every one expects. Just hope the boo boys can give him time

At what age do you stop being a hot prospect because you've got to imagine DCL is either past it or very close to being labelled an average player.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on August 11, 2019, 09:28:54 PM
At what age do you stop being a hot prospect because you've got to imagine DCL is either past it or very close to being labelled an average player.

Calvert Lewis is 22. A striker often peaks at around 28. He has one full season under his belt. Is he ready to be a prem starter? No. Is it his fault that he is a prem starter? No. Itís whoever didnít replace Lukaku.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 11, 2019, 09:29:35 PM
Iíd like to see us go 2 up top to help him work his way into the team, DCL to do the grunt work to make space for Kean

4-4-2 is how you get away from Siggy for awhile, too.  Use him more as an impact sub.  We need DCL's donkey work and Kean's obvious flair and class.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 11, 2019, 09:32:04 PM
Statements like there is little evidence heís good at football are a bit silly. Heís obviously good at football or he wouldnít be playing it professionally. Slightly different to not being a very good Premier League player

Also, having a flaw is not the same thing as being shit.  DCL has a flaw, but he's still a very useful player.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2019, 10:26:58 PM
Statements like there is little evidence heís good at football are a bit silly. Heís obviously good at football or he wouldnít be playing it professionally. Slightly different to not being a very good Premier League player

I donít mean good compared to us. We might as well close the forum if we are comparing them to us cos they are all brilliant. I mean good compared to other premier league footballers or even good compared to other strikers playing for the top 10 teams. In the case of the last 1 thereís plenty of evidence heís not good compared to what the top half of the league have

Itís quite damming that we have a forward who doesnít really know what position heís meant to be stood in or the runs heís meant to be making.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2019, 10:29:45 PM
Also, having a flaw is not the same thing as being shit.  DCL has a flaw, but he's still a very useful player.

His flaw being he doesnít really know how to play his position. Letís get Stephen hawking in. He only has 2 flaws. Legs donít work and is dead. Some flaws are a bigger problem than others. Not being good in the air is a flaw. Not understanding your position is a real issue
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on August 11, 2019, 10:37:14 PM
I donít mean good compared to us. We might as well close the forum if we are comparing them to us cos they are all brilliant. I mean good compared to other premier league footballers or even good compared to other strikers playing for the top 10 teams. In the case of the last 1 thereís plenty of evidence heís not good compared to what the top half of the league have

Itís quite damming that we have a forward who doesnít really know what position heís meant to be stood in or the runs heís meant to be making.

And I wasnít saying that either. Heís a decent footballer, probably not PL standard, but heíd do a job for a Championship team I reckon. Which is a lot different to saying heís not very good at football
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2019, 10:42:01 PM
And I wasnít saying that either. Heís a decent footballer, probably not PL standard, but heíd do a job for a Championship team I reckon. Which is a lot different to saying heís not very good at football

Well we are pretty much in agreement then if not using the same language. I think heís an decent if unspectacular championship player. Which in real terms is 1 hell of an achievement. Just well short of what we need.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 12, 2019, 09:01:04 AM
Needs a system tweak or 2 to help the lad more,  the managers shout....
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: boothill on August 12, 2019, 11:11:52 AM
Bullying the disabled now?  Ffs lid
His flaw being he doesn't really know how to play his position. Let's get Stephen hawking in. He only has 2 flaws. Legs don't work and is dead. Some flaws are a bigger problem than others. Not being good in the air is a flaw. Not understanding your position is a real issue

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on August 12, 2019, 12:33:20 PM
There is a huge Kean thread already :)



Sorry - didn't see it on my first page so thought if it was relevant we could merge or if it was all transfer talk it might be good to have one now he's playing for us.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2019, 02:39:22 PM
There is a huge Kean thread already :)
Both somehow have 95% DCL content.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Tinga on August 12, 2019, 02:51:37 PM
Both somehow have 95% DCL content.

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Makes sense though, both are going for the same position. I hope Kean starts versus Watford, he'll bag a few versus that defense.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 12, 2019, 04:11:01 PM
Bullying the disabled now?  Ffs lid
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Genuine question. What does lid mean when used as an insult?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2019, 04:23:57 PM
Genuine question. What does lid mean when used as an insult?
Lid isnt an insult, just an evolved dialect of "lad" for some scousers, similar to what "la" is, which seems to be for the older generation.

Lid is a young man's la.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on August 12, 2019, 04:31:41 PM
4-4-2 is how you get away from Siggy for awhile, too.  Use him more as an impact sub.  We need DCL's donkey work and Kean's obvious flair and class.

So take out our most creative and probably biggest goal threat for someone whose good at donkey work!!?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kerryblue boy on August 12, 2019, 04:39:08 PM
Canít believe our fans looking to remove our most creative player from last season and our second top scorer who is going to create the chances for these two strikers are we just going to go long ball to dcl crazy stuff
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 12, 2019, 04:39:16 PM
So take out our most creative and probably biggest goal threat for someone whose good at donkey work!!?
I still think only Richy and Siggy will get into double figures this year.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2019, 04:43:49 PM
Digne was our most creative player last year
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on August 12, 2019, 04:51:43 PM
I still think only Richy and Siggy will get into double figures this year.


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Not if EiNC has their way, Sig would be lucky to get double figures in terms of games!!!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on August 12, 2019, 04:53:24 PM
I canít believe people think Sigurdsson is our most creative player.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 12, 2019, 05:01:22 PM
I canít believe people think Sigurdsson is our most creative player.



He isn't but he is the one with most end product. At some point we need to replace with a number 10 who gets on the ball more (significantly behind likes of Kdb silva eriksen etc etc in terms of number of touches and passes).

Or actually bin off the idea of having a number 10. Most of the top teams have moved away from that tbh

Still in the short term it would be crazy not to play him. Nobody else from midfield is troubling the scorers and our front 3 osnt as prolific as other teams front 3s that do not have goals from midfield
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kerryblue boy on August 12, 2019, 05:26:15 PM
I can't believe people think Sigurdsson is our most creative player.
I understand your point of view but he was directly involved in about 23 goals last season like I said in a previous thread Bernard has no end product take Sigurdsson out of the team we play two up top who creates the chances who is the creative mid player iwobi might be the answer for now sig stays for me
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2019, 05:54:28 PM
Our front 3 might become more productive if our main attacking gameplan wasnít built around getting it to Digne to cross it in for DCL and Sigurdsson
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on August 12, 2019, 05:59:05 PM
I understand your point of view but he was directly involved in about 23 goals last season like I said in a previous thread Bernard has no end product take Sigurdsson out of the team we play two up top who creates the chances who is the creative mid player iwobi might be the answer for now sig stays for me

At some point we are going to have to take a risk against teams that park the bus because he clearly ends up being anonymous for whole games. So the question is whether removing his obvious goal threat and replacing him with more of a link up man like Davies or Iwobi or Bernard allows us to create more chances for other players and whether that results in more goals
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on August 12, 2019, 06:06:21 PM
OR, as batshit crazy as it sounds. Silva could insist Sigurdsson plays 10 yards deeper and gets involved in the build up play a bit more.

We know he CAN do it, but for whatever reason he's played mostly like a striker since Silva has been manager
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kerryblue boy on August 12, 2019, 06:10:26 PM
At some point we are going to have to take a risk against teams that park the bus because he clearly ends up being anonymous for whole games. So the question is whether removing his obvious goal threat and replacing him with more of a link up man like Davies or Iwobi or Bernard allows us to create more chances for other players and whether that results in more goals
Replacing him with Davies would be a disaster he offers nothing except running around a lot and passing the ball sideways some people just want that from Everton players I expect a bit more
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 12, 2019, 06:10:58 PM
OR, as batshit crazy as it sounds. Silva could insist Sigurdsson plays 10 yards deeper and gets involved in the build up play a bit more.

We know he CAN do it, but for whatever reason he's played mostly like a striker since Silva has been manager

don't think he has the engine or pace to catch up from a deeper role if we are on a fast break.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GLewis on August 12, 2019, 06:12:04 PM
OR, as batshit crazy as it sounds. Silva could insist Sigurdsson plays 10 yards deeper and gets involved in the build up play a bit more.

We know he CAN do it, but for whatever reason he's played mostly like a striker since Silva has been manager

Heís never been a play dictator though.

Ball hoggers naturally drift to the ball if theyíre not getting enough of it.

Think heís pushed so far up to maximise his skill set. Which, even with a poor performance on sat, would normally have still got him one or two goals.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2019, 06:12:11 PM
We had 60 odd % possession, attempted 500 passes and our number ten made one more pass than andros townsend.

He's a ghost, a myth, a spectre. Not interested unless he is unmarked on the edge of the box. Drop him for Phil neville and the team would benefit from improved shape.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on August 12, 2019, 06:29:43 PM
Replacing him with Davies would be a disaster he offers nothing except running around a lot and passing the ball sideways some people just want that from Everton players I expect a bit more

So exactly what would you do to resolve our creativity problem?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2019, 06:52:26 PM
Replacing him with Davies would be a disaster he offers nothing except running around a lot and passing the ball sideways some people just want that from Everton players I expect a bit more

Davies passes forward a lot, actually, thatís why he has the reputation of losing possession.

Heís the only midfielder that we have who actually takes risks.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2019, 07:02:49 PM
Hard to tell if Sigurdson's lack of involvement should lay at Sigurdson's door or Silva's.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on August 12, 2019, 07:05:04 PM
Davies passes forward a lot, actually, thatís why he has the reputation of losing possession.

Heís the only midfielder that we have who actually takes risks.

I find Davies the hardest to judge out of all of our young players, one minute hes not in the squad, next hes captain, then hes dropped hes a bit all over the place. He seems to offer something but Im not sure if he has enough?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 12, 2019, 08:33:57 PM
What I endeavour to say is that we need different attacking options and formations.  We shouldn't eschew trying something new because it doesn't fit Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on August 12, 2019, 08:48:32 PM
What I endeavour to say is that we need different attacking options and formations.  We shouldn't eschew trying something new because it doesn't fit Sigurdsson.

Im not sure, id potentially argue against that. He was our leading goalscorer and arguable most creative, yet everyone seems to say he didnt perform great. If we built that better suits him them surely we'll get a greater return?

I get what your saying in principle, but its not like we're blessed with lots of talent and goals, so we need to optimise what we have, although you could argue others would have more opportunity to step up if he wasnt there, im not sure?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on August 12, 2019, 08:53:48 PM
Im not sure, id potentially argue against that. He was our leading goalscorer and arguable most creative, yet everyone seems to say he didnt perform great. If we built that better suits him them surely we'll get a greater return?

I get what your saying in principle, but its not like we're blessed with lots of talent and goals, so we need to optimise what we have, although you could argue others would have more opportunity to step up if he wasnt there, im not sure?

What should we do if we're gonna keep Sig in the team then?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on August 12, 2019, 09:02:49 PM
What should we do if we're gonna keep Sig in the team then?

Ask Marco, hes the one on 3+million per year, ill only answer when I reach that salary!! :)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on August 12, 2019, 09:12:05 PM
Ask Marco, hes the one on 3+million per year, ill only answer when I reach that salary!! :)

I keep hearing you can't drop sig, but I haven't heard how we can tweak the tactics to accommodate sig and be more creative
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 12, 2019, 09:38:22 PM
I think some matches (either to start or as a strategic option for late in the game), having a 4-4-2 formation makes sense.  Sigurdsson would need to either (i) come off the pitch; (ii) move to a LW or DM role (I am pretty sure this works best with Iwobi and Richarlison on the wing, but maybe not every time); or (iii) possibly as one of the "2" if you want to see how he operates playing off Kean.

But the point of a "no Siggy" formation is that you'd use DCL playing off Kean to open up space for Kean and Richarlison (and to a lesser extent, Iwobi) to create goal scoring opportunities.

Let's say Siggy doesn't fit this at all (may or may not be true) - I still think you only run this 20-25% of the time.  It's not like he gathers cobwebs.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kerryblue boy on August 12, 2019, 11:06:34 PM
So exactly what would you do to resolve our creativity problem?
I would play iwobi on the left sig in the middle Richarlison on the right Kean upfront
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kerryblue boy on August 12, 2019, 11:08:43 PM
I keep hearing you can't drop sig, but I haven't heard how we can tweak the tactics to accommodate sig and be more creative
Mate on another day he scores two goals should have buried the first chance and the one cleared off the line itís the first game of the season letís give players a chance
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on August 12, 2019, 11:17:33 PM
Mate on another day he scores two goals should have buried the first chance and the one cleared off the line itís the first game of the season letís give players a chance

If starting every game for the last year in your supposed favourite position isn't giving players a chance I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: boothill on August 12, 2019, 11:23:22 PM
I dont think it is an insult MF.  Its a new term around here for lad,  i think so anyway
Genuine question. What does lid mean when used as an insult?

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kerryblue boy on August 12, 2019, 11:24:30 PM
If starting every game for the last year in your supposed favourite position isn't giving players a chance I don't know what is.
Ok we can agree to disagree I see similarities between sig and yakubu back in the moyes years our fans loved Andy Johnson because he chased around a lot but only scored ten or twelve goals the yak was called fat and lazy but guaranteed you twenty I think sig will better his figures from last year this season but some of our fans still will moan
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 12, 2019, 11:50:44 PM
Ok we can agree to disagree I see similarities between sig and yakubu back in the moyes years our fans loved Andy Johnson because he chased around a lot but only scored ten or twelve goals the yak was called fat and lazy but guaranteed you twenty I think sig will better his figures from last year this season but some of our fans still will moan

He might score a couple more but we wouldnít finish any higher up the table imo. Heís got that screamer seduction that makes you forget he does hardly anything else.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kerryblue boy on August 13, 2019, 12:44:49 AM
He might score a couple more but we wouldn't finish any higher up the table imo. He's got that screamer seduction that makes you forget he does hardly anything else.
So whatís the alternative?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on August 13, 2019, 12:51:10 AM
So whatís the alternative?

That's the 3m pound question.

I think he will start giving Iwobi a go on the left to see if he is able to create more than Bernard if things don't improve.

If that doesn't work he will probably need to change who plays 10 to see if that allows us to create more
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 13, 2019, 12:53:27 AM
So whatís the alternative?

Well Iím no coach like. Not massively difficult to spot the trend though, however those screamers are indeed seductive.

Iíd say a change of system to get the best out of the other 9 lads than a system that tries to make the most out of the number 10.

A lot before my time but wasnít something similar happening with Lineker back in the day. Sacrificed the output of the other lads for the sake of a super scorer?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Sixx1402 on August 13, 2019, 12:55:13 AM
Lid isnt an insult, just an evolved dialect of "lad" for some scousers, similar to what "la" is, which seems to be for the older generation.

Lid is a young man's la.

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Good to see you're both ON TOP of that then

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2019, 01:11:17 AM
Well I’m no coach like. Not massively difficult to spot the trend though, however those screamers are indeed seductive.

I’d say a change of system to get the best out of the other 9 lads than a system that tries to make the most out of the number 10.

A lot before my time but wasn’t something similar happening with Lineker back in the day. Sacrificed the output of the other lads for the sake of a super scorer?

Kevin Sheedy confirmed as much when I went to a night with him a few months back.

Said a lot of lads had no time for Lineker as he disrupted the whole harmony of the team.

He got 40 goals, but we won nothing. He left and Sheedy said he and Steven had their best ever season and we won the league again.

Too simplistic to say we lose 13 goals if we drop Sigurdsson. We'd create more chances, thus giving us more chances to score.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2019, 01:21:52 AM
Kevin Sheedy confirmed as much when I went to a night with him a few months back.

Said a lot of lads had no time for Lineker as he disrupted the whole harmony of the team.

He got 40 goals, but we won nothing. He left and Sheedy said he and Steven had their best ever season and we won the league again.

Too simplistic to say we lose 13 goals if we drop Sigurdsson. We'd create more chances, thus giving us more chances to score.
But... we only have Richarlison who knows where the goal is on the regular. The 80's teams were up there with the best in europe.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2019, 01:29:21 AM
But... we only have Richarlison who knows where the goal is on the regular. The 80's teams were up there with the best in europe.

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But having Sigurdsson in the team isn't working and hasn't worked since he arrived.

Say you drop him for Iwobi. The way we progress the ball, and use the ball in the final third improves dramatically. Think I saw somebody say Iwobi would bring, on average forty more touches of the ball than Sigurdsson. That's huge.

From there we create more chances, DCL, Kean, Richarlison, Walcott has goal in it, and in Bernard and Iwobi you have two players looking to get on the ball constantly and probe in the final third. All Sigurdsson looks to do is pick up any free ball and get a shot off, it's all he does.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on August 13, 2019, 01:40:51 AM
I dont think it is an insult MF.  Its a new term around here for lad,  i think so anyway
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You donít think itís an insult, and yet you call him a MF... I like it
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on August 13, 2019, 01:44:15 AM
But having Sigurdsson in the team isn't working and hasn't worked since he arrived.

Say you drop him for Iwobi. The way we progress the ball, and use the ball in the final third improves dramatically. Think I saw somebody say Iwobi would bring, on average forty more touches of the ball than Sigurdsson. That's huge.

From there we create more chances, DCL, Kean, Richarlison, Walcott has goal in it, and in Bernard and Iwobi you have two players looking to get on the ball constantly and probe in the final third. All Sigurdsson looks to do is pick up any free ball and get a shot off, it's all he does.



Woah, 40 touches more per game?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2019, 01:45:22 AM
Woah, 40 touches more per game?

May well have misread that. Sounds a bit mad, doesn't it, but Sigurdsson really doesn't touch the ball at all so it could be right
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on August 13, 2019, 01:47:33 AM
May well have misread that. Sounds a bit mad, doesn't it, but Sigurdsson really doesn't touch the ball at all so it could be right

It does sound mental, but as you say, Sigurdsson only seems to touch it around 10 times a game (3 errant shots, 2 screamers, 3 hospital balls, and 2 world-class through balls)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 13, 2019, 02:06:42 AM
If Walsh and koeman weíre wrong to sign sigurdsson is silva equally wrong to be playing him? Heís had plenty of opportunities to see the problems he brings  and still he always plays
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Sir Stealth on August 13, 2019, 02:07:09 AM
Could those stats have anything to do with Arsenal playing more of a possession based game than us possibly?

And therefore Iwobi receiving the ball more than Gylfi

Sigurdsson usually proves his value with goals and assists, he would usually have put away that sitter he missed early doors

Does seem very rare that you watch him and think that he's had a particularly good game though

He usually makes up for any shortcomings by scoring great goals and also scoring decent amounts of goals

Be interesting to see how we get on if we drop Sig and bring in Iwobi on the left and move Bernard central
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GLewis on August 13, 2019, 02:21:58 AM
If Walsh and koeman weíre wrong to sign sigurdsson is silva equally wrong to be playing him? Heís had plenty of opportunities to see the problems he brings  and still he always plays

Well itís not as polarised as some of the language used to describe his issues.

And those issues are just with the ball, off the ball he works very hard and seems to often organise others re pressing etc.

Re Koeman and Walsh, the issue was that weíd already signed Rooney and Klassen, not Sigurdsson per se
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 13, 2019, 02:27:03 AM
Well itís not as polarised as some of the language used to describe his issues.

And those issues are just with the ball, off the ball he works very hard and seems to often organise others re pressing etc.

Re Koeman and Walsh, the issue was that weíd already signed Rooney and Klassen, not Sigurdsson per se

I think the others for the same position was obviously much of the problem but we really shouldnít have bothered with any of the 3
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2019, 02:40:09 AM
Would be up for taking this to a Sigurdsson thread if the mods want to do some jiggery pokery, but.. We wouldn't be guaranteed to create more, and we certainly wouldn't be guaranteed to score more/less, it would just allow us to have a bit more control over the game and be a bit more flexible.

So frustrating because he really is technically superb, the moments he can provide are top top class, and that he does it with such few touches on the ball - think that's part of The Sig's thing (chances created per pass played) he IS really really efficient with the touches he takes and the amount he gets on the ball... he just happens to need quite specific situations in order to do what he does.

Nobody is forcing him to take so few touches. It works in a counter attack side where he can lay it off and then arrive late in the box, or whip in a delivery for a big man, but what we need in this side is someone the play goes through in the middle. Making stuff happen and unlocking defences with quality and volume.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cods on August 13, 2019, 02:49:15 AM
OR, as batshit crazy as it sounds. Silva could insist Sigurdsson plays 10 yards deeper and gets involved in the build up play a bit more.

We know he CAN do it, but for whatever reason he's played mostly like a striker since Silva has been manager
I think he plays more advanced because itís only Richarlison and him that can finish. That may change with Kean up top.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Nicco on August 13, 2019, 02:51:52 AM
Kevin Sheedy confirmed as much when I went to a night with him a few months back.

Said a lot of lads had no time for Lineker as he disrupted the whole harmony of the team.

He got 40 goals, but we won nothing. He left and Sheedy said he and Steven had their best ever season and we won the league again.

Too simplistic to say we lose 13 goals if we drop Sigurdsson. We'd create more chances, thus giving us more chances to score.
From what I understand, if we drop Sigurdsson, we are allowed to replace him with another player. Right?

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: SteB on August 13, 2019, 08:19:40 AM
Its quite good this interview, I reckon he might have a little bit of the Richarlisons about him, tough, determined and grateful to be where he is, a good mix in a footballer that...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on August 13, 2019, 12:15:03 PM
He might score a couple more but we wouldnít finish any higher up the table imo. Heís got that screamer seduction that makes you forget he does hardly anything else.

"That screamer seduction"


Love it! 😁
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 13, 2019, 05:01:10 PM
We scored 54 games in the PL last year. If weíre to do anything this season I think we need to score 65 - 70...really not sure where those goals are going to come from.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on August 13, 2019, 10:05:43 PM
Iíd like to see us start in a 4-3-3 with:

Kean -DCL - Richarlison

Gbamin - Sig/Iwobi - Gomes

With DCL doing the grunt work freeing up Kean/Richarlison to work as inside forwards and Sig/Iwobi as the most offensive of the three. All the width to come from Coleman/Digne.

Basically copying what Liverpool do with Richarlison/Kean replacing Mane and Salah.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 14, 2019, 01:39:58 AM
I'd like to see us start in a 4-3-3 with:

Kean -DCL - Richarlison

Gbamin - Sig/Iwobi - Gomes

With DCL doing the grunt work freeing up Kean/Richarlison to work as inside forwards and Sig/Iwobi as the most offensive of the three. All the width to come from Coleman/Digne.

Basically copying what Liverpool do with Richarlison/Kean replacing Mane and Salah.
I'm diggin this.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on August 18, 2019, 12:00:28 AM
God help me when @Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) sees this - I'll probably be banned - but our Moise doesn't half remind me of Mickey Pearce from Only Fools And Horses!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on August 18, 2019, 12:16:05 AM
God help me when @Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) sees this - I'll probably be banned - but our Moise doesn't half remind me of Mickey Pearce from Only Fools And Horses!

Similar mouth
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on August 18, 2019, 12:16:09 AM
God help me when @Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) sees this - I'll probably be banned - but our Moise doesn't half remind me of Mickey Pearce from Only Fools And Horses!

See what you mean. Similar facial expressions.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on August 18, 2019, 12:27:49 AM
See what you mean. Similar facial expressions.

He looks much more like Mickey Pearce than he does Iwobi
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cozzie on August 18, 2019, 12:35:35 AM
Really tenacious when he came on.

Physically this league wont be an issue to him.

Didn't seem to lack confidence when he came on. Will be amazing this season I am sure of it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on August 18, 2019, 12:37:48 AM
We scored 54 games in the PL last year. If weíre to do anything this season I think we need to score 65 - 70...really not sure where those goals are going to come from.


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Not necessarily. As grim as it may be Iíd happily take 38 1-0s. Was good game management today to take the 1-0. Think we never really looked in danger of conceding due to our control in the middle
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 18, 2019, 12:47:46 AM
Not necessarily. As grim as it may be Iíd happily take 38 1-0s. Was good game management today to take the 1-0. Think we never really looked in danger of conceding due to our control in the middle

That was more do do with Watford's lack of threat up front than our "control in the middle".
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Tinga on August 18, 2019, 12:56:48 AM
Iíd like to see us start in a 4-3-3 with:

Kean -DCL - Richarlison

Gbamin - Sig/Iwobi - Gomes

With DCL doing the grunt work freeing up Kean/Richarlison to work as inside forwards and Sig/Iwobi as the most offensive of the three. All the width to come from Coleman/Digne.

Basically copying what Liverpool do with Richarlison/Kean replacing Mane and Salah.

So DCL starts in Keans position which means Bernard is dropped, what has DCL done to deserve such a place in the team?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on August 18, 2019, 01:07:51 AM
That was more do do with Watford's lack of threat up front than our "control in the middle".

Going to have to disagree. I think we made them look poor and these are games we often mess up. We concede 3 against these last season giving us a 2-2 draw and a 1-0 defeat
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 18, 2019, 01:14:06 AM
Going to have to disagree. I think we made them look poor and these are games we often mess up. We concede 3 against these last season giving us a 2-2 draw and a 1-0 defeat

These are poor. Apart from the first 20 minutes our midfield struggled to retain possession let alone create chances.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 18, 2019, 01:22:14 AM
Stream went as he came on. Sounds like he looked good.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: The Analog Kid on August 18, 2019, 01:26:39 AM
Has to start next week against Villa
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mouse on August 18, 2019, 01:27:22 AM
He looked good, puts himself about, very strong and not afraid to stick a foot on. Seemed desperate to score on his debut, I think the second chance would have been cancelled out by VAR. Hopefully, it will just take a few weeks for other players to understand where he wants the ball. I like Calvert-Lewin and know he has a different role but Kean looks to be on a different level as a goal threat.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 18, 2019, 01:55:45 AM
Built like a fridge. Big strong lad him. Think he will do well
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 18, 2019, 02:02:40 AM
DCL should clearly be the backup.  And I'd rather him come on for Richarlison (when a sub is needed there) than the useless offsides machine Walcott. 

Kean is going to be an absolute star. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gary1878 on August 18, 2019, 02:15:51 AM
This guy is a player. First touch is excellent, and his speed of thought is amazing for such a young lad. Reminds me of a young, but more technically gifted version of Lukaku in his build up play. Strong and fast, but quick feet.

We are going to really like this lad.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Everton Mint on August 18, 2019, 02:23:44 AM
This guy is a player. First touch is excellent, and his speed of thought is amazing for such a young lad. Reminds me of a young, but more technically gifted version of Lukaku in his build up play. Strong and fast, but quick feet.

We are going to really like this lad.

Spot-on. Very Lukaku like in build but looked more agressive and with a better touch.

If he can finish like Lukaku we have a bargain.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueski on August 18, 2019, 02:37:50 AM
Works his socks off as well
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 18, 2019, 02:52:06 AM
My stream went at 83 minutes so missed a  bit of him. Gutted.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 18, 2019, 02:52:25 AM
Played well today. He's really capable of holding up the ball and playing with his back to goal too, something I didnt expect, I just thought he was all about pace and flair.
That first shot was just a bit of inexperience, he hit it too hard and probably should have taken another touch or 2. Overall I was impressed.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: howard1334 on August 18, 2019, 03:19:43 AM
Really should start next week. Not like dcl has been banging them in or even knocking on the door.  And Keane's hold up play and work rate look equal to dcl's.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on August 18, 2019, 03:45:57 AM
Yeah so he's good, he's very good
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on August 18, 2019, 04:08:35 AM
Going to have to disagree. I think we made them look poor and these are games we often mess up. We concede 3 against these last season giving us a 2-2 draw and a 1-0 defeat

I thought we were poor in the middle of the park today. Sigs absent for large parts and just tackle and hoof ball at times from gbamin. We really didn't look a cohesive unit apart from the back 4 which were superb. A lot of work to be done, but players were absent and some new, so I think it will all be good long term. Kean looks a handful already, had early days romelu written all over him for me.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on August 18, 2019, 04:09:30 AM
Not to sound like a downer but we need to be aware that he came on against a side pushed right up to the halfway line and only leaving their two CBs back.

Itís a totally different game compared to what heíll see when he starts, and we as fans need to be patient about that.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 18, 2019, 05:01:44 AM
Italian international striker is actually fairly decent shocker  :whistle:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on August 18, 2019, 06:18:13 AM
Pinning your hopes on this young man is a bad idea.

he needs time and patience, not pressure.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on August 18, 2019, 06:21:45 AM
Aye, knock all of this "has to start next game" stuff on it's head please.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: gizzblue on August 18, 2019, 07:09:03 AM
Marco knows what's best for kean. ...rushing him won't do anyone any favours ...he's hungry and chomping at the bit. ...we need to keep that going .
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 18, 2019, 01:16:00 PM
Aye, knock all of this "has to start next game" stuff on it's head please.

Why?? He absolutely should be starting after DCLs performances so far this season. Thereís not much pressure on kean if he only has to do better than that
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on August 18, 2019, 01:22:44 PM
Why?? He absolutely should be starting after DCLs performances so far this season. Thereís not much pressure on kean if he only has to do better than that

The pressure doesn't come from the competition with DCL, it comes from fans expectations.

You really struggle with understanding youth development don't you? Sorry if that sounds like a pop, i't not meant too. I'm just not sure how else to get the point across to you.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 18, 2019, 01:25:19 PM
The pressure doesn't come from the competition with DCL, it comes from fans expectations.

You really struggle with understanding youth development don't you? Sorry if that sounds like a pop, i't not meant too. I'm just not sure how else to get the point across to you.

I think when the other option is doing so poorly he absolutely has to play (and will)
Heís physically a man. Thereís little chance DCL will start the next game
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on August 18, 2019, 01:29:59 PM
I think when the other option is doing so poorly he absolutely has to play (and will)
Heís physically a man. Thereís little chance DCL will start the next game

We all know he's going to be some player, and there's no question that he's already better than DCL (his time at Juve shows us that), but he's young and will have bad games, so there is absolutely no need to rush him. To do that betrays the commitment we have made to him to develop and look after him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 18, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
We all know he's going to be some player, and there's no question that he's already better than DCL (his time at Juve shows us that), but he's young and will have bad games, so there is absolutely no need to rush him. To do that betrays the commitment we have made to him to develop and look after him.

I donít think his bad games really matter with the lack of competition though. Iím not suggesting he starts every game regardless of form but would be very surprised if he didnít start the next 1

Also i think theyíll be a hell of a lot of pressure on DCL if he starts. People wonít put up with poor performances for long while a better player sits on the bench

Itís a shame Tosan hasnít worked out at all. We could do with that third option right now. I still believe heís a better player than DCL but maybe canít play in our system
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on August 18, 2019, 02:27:02 PM
I donít think his bad games really matter with the lack of competition though. Iím not suggesting he starts every game regardless of form but would be very surprised if he didnít start the next 1

Also i think theyíll be a hell of a lot of pressure on DCL if he starts. People wonít put up with poor performances for long while a better player sits on the bench

Itís a shame Tosan hasnít worked out at all. We could do with that third option right now. I still believe heís a better player than DCL but maybe canít play in our system

I think Tosun may be better than DCL in front of goal, but not by much, and not enough to off-set how much DCL gives the team. People talk about hold-up play and think it just means having someone the ball sticks to when you punt it up. It's a lot more than that.
Good hold-up play from a CF not only brings in the players around him, but also allows the whole team to move further up the pitch. This not only increases your chances of keeping possession, but also makes it much tougher for the opposition if they win it back and gives you a better chance of regaining possession back if they do.
In PL games, especially against top teams, that is a HUGE contribution from a young lad who is still improving.


Kean does look fucking dangerous though 😁
Hope his phasing into the side is as quick as possible. I want to do right by the lad as well, but it may well be a quick transition as a full Italian international and goalscorer for Juventus is no small potatoes...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on August 18, 2019, 02:41:31 PM
The pressure from me on kean is the square root of nothing. I have no idea what a striker in a blue shirt is or does anymore. DCL offers nothing, Kean showed more in 19 minutes yesterday than we have seen from Dcl in 2 games this season, as well as pre season for that matter.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on August 18, 2019, 02:44:03 PM
I was really disappointed that we were totally unable to control the game enough against a poor Watford side at home to create a meaningful spell of possession for this kid to show what he can do with the ball at his feet.

On the other hand he looks like a battler, he's really strong. His first touch is amazing.

I just think it's a little bit wasted when most of his touches were in our half battling and holding off defenders just near the halfway line
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TSGun on August 18, 2019, 02:44:59 PM
One of the good outcomes is he's going to really push DCL, who seems to have the right mentality to accept the challenge.

We've now got two promising young forwards. Happy days.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on August 18, 2019, 02:53:44 PM
There was that moment in the Palace game where he received the ball to feet for the first time and all the Everton players around him just seemed to stop and watch as if they didn't know what he was going to do but expected him to do something special.

It's gonna take time for those around him to get used to him too by the looks of things. I fully expect the way we play with him on the pitch to develop with every game he plays.

The way we'll be playing in 6 months will be very different to those first two games.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on August 18, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
The pressure from me on kean is the square root of nothing. I have no idea what a striker in a blue shirt is or does anymore. DCL offers nothing, Kean showed more in 19 minutes yesterday than we have seen from Dcl in 2 games this season, as well as pre season for that matter.

He was playing against two defenders for that 19 minutes, DCL was playing against a set back four for his whole game.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GLewis on August 18, 2019, 06:17:15 PM
He was playing against two defenders for that 19 minutes, DCL was playing against a set back four for his whole game.

Not so much the running in behind etc. for me. 

It was simply the fact that he was backing in, physically unsettling the defenders etc.

DCL has a great leap so he tends to rely on just that.

But you need to knock the defenders off balance too sometimes.

He also won some free kicks and broke the game up more which eased the pressure in the game.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kramer0 on August 18, 2019, 08:51:42 PM
Don't underestimate what a chore it is to play in front of this midfield for the first 60+ minutes of a match.

Coming off the bench is the best option for Kean until we figure out how to control a game some.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on August 18, 2019, 09:07:49 PM
Don't underestimate what a chore it is to play in front of this midfield for the first 60+ minutes of a match.

Coming off the bench is the best option for Kean until we figure out how to control a game some.

We didn't play well yesterday, but we controlled most of the game last week. If we'd taken or or two of the easy chances we'd created, I think we'd have cruised it.

My take is that Kean is simply clearly a better player than DCL, and for the needs of the team, we need to play the best players we have to give us the best chance to take maximum points. I also don't think he needs wrapping in kid gloves.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on August 18, 2019, 09:32:02 PM
Don't underestimate what a chore it is to play in front of this midfield for the first 60+ minutes of a match.

Coming off the bench is the best option for Kean until we figure out how to control a game some.

Must be a chore trying to create chances for someone like DCL though.

No threat at all. Kean will bring most of what DCL does outside the box whilst giving us an extra edge going forward.

We canít continue with this Sigurdsson/DCL frontline. Needs to change and it should be kean in for DCL
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on August 18, 2019, 09:42:30 PM
I'd be saying summat to Sigurdsson, if I was one of the other players.

I'd just be like 'can you show for the ball into feet a bit more please, mate? I'm running around tackling and passing, cutting off passing lanes and every time I look up, I can never see you anywhere. How fucking hard is it to drop into a bit of space, and take the ball on the half turn. Stop playing like a fucking spectre, and start getting on the ball and taking responsibility'
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 18, 2019, 10:02:44 PM
I'd be saying summat to Sigurdsson, if I was one of the other players.

I'd just be like 'can you show for the ball into feet a bit more please, mate? I'm running around tackling and passing, cutting off passing lanes and every time I look up, I can never see you anywhere. How fucking hard is it to drop into a bit of space, and take the ball on the half turn. Stop playing like a fucking spectre, and start getting on the ball and taking responsibility'
I find it really strange that he doesnt get involved, so much so that I think it has to be his instructions to stay that high, otherwise he'd be gettin hooked for going missing.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on August 18, 2019, 10:10:57 PM
I find it really strange that he doesnt get involved, so much so that I think it has to be his instructions to stay that high, otherwise he'd be gettin hooked for going missing.

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Even if he does have instructions to push on he's experienced enough to use a bit of game management and drop in when it looks like we're under the cosh. Like a spell in the second half yesterday when he was consistently about 20 yards away from the midfield two, who were getting over-ran by Capoue and Doucoure.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on August 18, 2019, 10:11:09 PM
Might as well play Kean for Sigurdsson tbh. if he's going to play as a striker, let DCL do the work and Kean on to the flick ons.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on August 18, 2019, 10:13:15 PM
The strange thing is. Technically I find Sigurdson to be a great player. He just needs to apply it better
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 18, 2019, 10:17:27 PM
Might as well play Kean for Sigurdsson tbh. if he's going to play as a striker, let DCL do the work and Kean on to the flick ons.
Or keep Sigurdson on with Kean and have two goal threats?

I like DCL but he hasn't started the season well. Sig isnt doing enough but he brings more to the team than DCL at the moment.

He had a quiet game yesterday but still put two on a plate for Richarlison who would have scored those on another day, and theres always a chance he can grab a goal himself. DCL hasn't made an impact at all in the two games.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on August 18, 2019, 10:32:47 PM
I suppose you have to go with the more likely goal threat and that's Kean ahead of Sigurdsson.

Although with Iwobi waiting in the wings Bernard, Sig and Richarlison all need to be turning it up a notch now.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on August 18, 2019, 10:42:42 PM
Might as well play Kean for Sigurdsson tbh. if he's going to play as a striker, let DCL do the work and Kean on to the flick ons.
I think you'll see the best of Sig when he has someone with intelligence upfront, dropping him to play DCL would be crazy imo. Sig had more ability in his left toe than DCL has in his entire body, yes he works hard, but that's it.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on August 18, 2019, 10:54:14 PM
Or keep Sigurdson on with Kean and have two goal threats?

I like DCL but he hasn't started the season well. Sig isnt doing enough but he brings more to the team than DCL at the moment.

He had a quiet game yesterday but still put two on a plate for Richarlison who would have scored those on another day, and theres always a chance he can grab a goal himself. DCL hasn't made an impact at all in the two games.

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Who's going to pull their tripe out and win the headers and hassle the opposition and get wellied up and down without getting anywhere the ball?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueToffee on August 18, 2019, 11:02:52 PM
DCL is going to be dropped, it's almost certainly only a matter of time. We didn't buy Kean to sit him on the bench. We bought him to address an issue in the squad and I doubt that was Sigurdsson.

Over the next 2-3 games I suspect their roles will be reversed. I actually think that suits DCL personally. He does better against tired defenders in terms of his physicality.

I'm sure we'll see DCL and Kean together at some point too and if they work well together it might give the manager something to think about.

In terms of Sigurdsson, we'll see how Iwobi fits into all this soon. Maybe we'll see some experimentation there too.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on August 18, 2019, 11:07:13 PM
When Iwobi's up to speed, I think we should drop Gylfi for a game or two. Last couple of seasons, he's not had any pressure on his place whatsoever. It might do him good to watch a couple of games from the sideline, realise he's far from indispensable and that he has to earn his place in the team, with better performances.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bally on August 18, 2019, 11:20:19 PM
I don't think his bad games really matter with the lack of competition though. I'm not suggesting he starts every game regardless of form but would be very surprised if he didn't start the next 1

Also i think they'll be a hell of a lot of pressure on DCL if he starts. People won't put up with poor performances for long while a better player sits on the bench

It's a shame Tosan hasn't worked out at all. We could do with that third option right now. I still believe he's a better player than DCL but maybe can't play in our system
Or can't get into the team because DCL is a better player...
Take your fuckin blinkers off lad, we all know you don't rate him.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on August 18, 2019, 11:49:23 PM
Should start the Villa game, looked a threat as soon as he came on
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 18, 2019, 11:52:50 PM
I dont think we will see kean or iwobi start till after the international break. Think Mbamin woukd have been the same too bar schneiderlin getting sent off
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on August 18, 2019, 11:59:40 PM
No need to rush anyone in. More than capable of beating villa without them. Half an hour for kean will be fine. Potentially starting the next game
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 19, 2019, 12:09:20 AM
Give him a half at least, let's see what he can do.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 19, 2019, 01:22:59 AM
Marco didn't rush Bernard this time last year.
I trust him to handle Kean with his best long term interests paramount.
How we can say he's ready after 15 minutes against a side throwing everything forward is a little silly really.
Title: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on August 19, 2019, 02:10:03 AM
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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on August 19, 2019, 02:13:59 AM
Or keep Sigurdson on with Kean and have two goal threats?

I like DCL but he hasn't started the season well. Sig isnt doing enough but he brings more to the team than DCL at the moment.

He had a quiet game yesterday but still put two on a plate for Richarlison who would have scored those on another day, and theres always a chance he can grab a goal himself. DCL hasn't made an impact at all in the two games.

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Itís fair enough saying two goal threats, but somebody has to get us into the final third and making chances first. At the moment we canít do that without DCL so Iíd favour either DCL and Kean or Kean and an extra midfielder to gain control.

On the Sig point, whilst they were good deliveries they were from set pieces so if heís not on the pitch I have confidence in Digne to make chances from them.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 19, 2019, 02:46:16 AM
Or can't get into the team because DCL is a better player...
Take your fuckin blinkers off lad, we all know you don't rate him.


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DCL is better than Tosan? Maybe but that would say a whole lot more about Tosans inability than DCLs ability.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: gizzblue on August 19, 2019, 02:55:42 AM
DCL is better than Tosan? Maybe but that would say a whole lot more about Tosans inability than DCLs ability.

Fuck sake we get it ...all of us do every last poster on the nsno and a few who don't bother coming on the site any more get it ...next doors cat even is sick of you repeating yourself 20 times a day every fucking op...you have a personal vendetta against DCL ...I wonder if it's because he's a young handsome talented lad who at his tender age 22 is probably more successful than you will ever be despite not being top of his sport yet . lolol...did you fail that trial for Southport when you was a kid ....I'm sure your mates (1mate) down the pub loves your story of what you could've been  lolol lolol

Hardest game in the world ain't it eh! !! lolol
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 19, 2019, 02:59:51 AM
Give Kean the start against Lincoln. Id start same team against Villa as Watford, maybe Schneiderlin in for Gbamin.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 19, 2019, 11:59:21 AM
Fuck sake we get it ...all of us do every last poster on the nsno and a few who don't bother coming on the site any more get it ...next doors cat even is sick of you repeating yourself 20 times a day every fucking op...you have a personal vendetta against DCL ...I wonder if it's because he's a young handsome talented lad who at his tender age 22 is probably more successful than you will ever be despite not being top of his sport yet . lolol...did you fail that trial for Southport when you was a kid ....I'm sure your mates (1mate) down the pub loves your story of what you could've been  lolol lolol

Hardest game in the world ain't it eh! !! lolol


Haha a vendetta. Yeah thatís it. My problem with our poor striker is that heís a hunk rather than heís poor. Fucking fuming I am at his youthful beauty
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Tinga on August 19, 2019, 02:50:04 PM
Haha a vendetta. Yeah thatís it. My problem with our poor striker is that heís a hunk rather than heís poor. Fucking fuming I am at his youthful beauty

This place can be really odd, on topic comments get lambasted so heavily even to the point of personal attacks. What else are you going to say when DCL is a direct rival of Keans, he's just naturally going to be brought up in any many threads because he's a weak link in the team, one who people are just so sentimental over.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 19, 2019, 02:53:38 PM
If you're gonna be shit, be handsome.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on August 19, 2019, 03:06:17 PM
If you're gonna be shit, be handsome.

The Andre Gomes rule
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: gizzblue on August 19, 2019, 05:13:01 PM
Haha a vendetta. Yeah thatís it. My problem with our poor striker is that heís a hunk rather than heís poor. Fucking fuming I am at his youthful beauty

Good as long as we cleared that up then ....now it makes more sense than you just being a miserable cunt . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 19, 2019, 06:24:49 PM
Good as long as we cleared that up then ....now it makes more sense than you just being a miserable cunt . :thumbsup:

Youre so angry. Itís really only my opinion. Unfortunately I donít get a vote on if he plays or not so itís really not worth you being upset x
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: gizzblue on August 19, 2019, 06:38:30 PM
Youre so angry. Itís really only my opinion. Unfortunately I donít get a vote on if he plays or not so itís really not worth you being upset x

Not upset in the slightest ....now I know why you hate DCL it's sound ....you have a good day now .
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on August 19, 2019, 06:44:58 PM
The Andre Gomes rule

Hahaha! Disagree (with the shit bit - not the handsome bit - obviously!) but you got a 'Like' because this made me proper lol!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on August 19, 2019, 06:53:04 PM
Hahaha! Disagree (with the shit bit - not the handsome bit - obviously!) but you got a 'Like' because this made me proper lol!

Yeaaaaah just a bit of fun he's not shit like.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on August 19, 2019, 07:45:55 PM
*Tosun
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on August 22, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Nice article on the BBC Sport site.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49423487

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Fynci on August 22, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
Nice article on the BBC Sport site.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49423487



Itís a great article, they love Brands.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on August 22, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
Canít believe Brands is 57. Youthful looking suave bastard
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Tinga on August 22, 2019, 04:18:23 PM
'Brands, who has formed a shrewd negotiating partnership with chairman Kenwright, put the full force of his package in front of Kean and completed what may prove to be a transfer of real significance for Everton.'

Must be some package that.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lazarou on August 22, 2019, 06:21:33 PM
Nice article on the BBC Sport site.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49423487

Goosebumps from that for some reason. Great job by Moshiri to get Brands in, does not sound like we would have got near otherwise.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on August 22, 2019, 06:45:11 PM
Brands is arguably the most important player in our team. I'd say all his transfers since being here have been at least a 7/10. He will be tough to replace in the future.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ally2 on August 22, 2019, 07:43:44 PM
Weird how Moshiri isn't mentioned
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on August 22, 2019, 08:53:36 PM
Weird how Moshiri isn't mentioned
Because he only gets involved when he overrides Brands, Silva and Kenwright and makes excessive bids for players like Zaha that nobody wants....

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: 74Blue on August 22, 2019, 08:54:18 PM
Weird how Moshiri isn't mentioned
Probably scared that Brands will expose his full package again if they dare mention Moshiri.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Fynci on August 22, 2019, 09:19:37 PM
Brands is arguably the most important player in our team. I'd say all his transfers since being here have been at least a 7/10. He will be tough to replace in the future.

Genuinely think he has been our best signing in many many years. His impact will be around for a long time.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cozzie on August 22, 2019, 09:51:17 PM
Positive vibes ever since this guy joined, love what hes done so far.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gary1878 on August 22, 2019, 10:16:28 PM
Brands should be around for a long time yet so no need to worry :-)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gash on August 22, 2019, 10:48:12 PM
Because he only gets involved when he overrides Brands, Silva and Kenwright and makes excessive bids for players like Zaha that nobody wants....

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He didn't override them though. We made one bid for Zaha then walked away when Brands realised the figures Palace wanted were too much, the rest of the rumours were just that, Sky etc trying to peddle one of the few "stories" going to keep their precious deadline day going. If he'd over ruled them we'd be sitting here with an £80m Zaha.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on August 22, 2019, 11:08:19 PM
He didn't override them though. We made one bid for Zaha then walked away when Brands realised the figures Palace wanted were too much, the rest of the rumours were just that, Sky etc trying to peddle the one of the few "stories" going keep their precious deadline day going. If he'd over ruled them we'd be sitting here with an£80m Zaha.
Thank god we didnít. Heís good but not 80 million good.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on August 23, 2019, 12:16:24 AM
He didn't override them though. We made one bid for Zaha then walked away when Brands realised the figures Palace wanted were too much, the rest of the rumours were just that, Sky etc trying to peddle the one of the few "stories" going keep their precious deadline day going. If he'd over ruled them we'd be sitting here with an£80m Zaha.
I know, there was a lot of sarcasm in it, which doesn't come across well in written form, as lots of people say any shit deal has Moshiri all over it, yet all the decent ones are Brands

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Escla on August 23, 2019, 12:17:21 AM
Because he only gets involved when he overrides Brands, Silva and Kenwright and makes excessive bids for players like Zaha that nobody wants....

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Was just gossip, no evidence that Moshiri was pushing anything.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 23, 2019, 12:40:46 AM
Thank god we didnít. Heís good but not 80 million good.


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I prefer Iwobi at his deal, perhaps Iwobi regardless of fee.  Younger and super-athletic.  Plus versatile.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 23, 2019, 01:09:00 AM
I prefer Iwobi at his deal, perhaps Iwobi regardless of fee.  Younger and super-athletic.  Plus versatile.

What about iwobi at 200m or zaha in a swap for Niasse and bolasie?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on August 23, 2019, 01:12:06 AM
Iwobi and Kean reminds me of the days when we had Gravesen and Carsley. But opposite.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 23, 2019, 02:35:20 AM
Iwobi and Kean reminds me of the days when we had Gravesen and Carsley. But opposite.
Uh oh.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on August 23, 2019, 03:23:06 AM
I know, there was a lot of sarcasm in it, which doesn't come across well in written form, as lots of people say any shit deal has Moshiri all over it, yet all the decent ones are Brands

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Not forgetting of course that signing Brands, and chasing him for a couple of years, was very much an outstanding piece of business by Moshiri.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 23, 2019, 03:46:02 AM
What about iwobi at 200m or zaha in a swap for Niasse and bolasie?

Meaning if they were the same price, I might still rather have Iwobi.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ally2 on August 23, 2019, 03:46:03 AM
Yes that was what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on August 23, 2019, 04:04:57 AM
Meaning if they were the same price, I might still rather have Iwobi.
I think you'd be the 1 in 100 if that was the case

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2019, 04:06:35 AM
I like Iwobi more than Zaha.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on August 23, 2019, 04:07:47 AM
Iwobi is a much better fit than Zaha.

Zaha was just a sexier signing, but we've dodged a bullet
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: gizzblue on August 23, 2019, 04:12:30 AM
I never fancied Zaha here tbh. ...or iwobi but after doing a bit of background. ..iwobi looks a player we need and the better signing both money and ego are a lot less...and much needed pressure for Sig .
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on August 23, 2019, 04:17:03 AM
I'm looking forward to getting more of a look at Iwobi up close, because I think he passed me by at Arsenal a bit.

I would've took Zaha at £52m over Iwobi at £40m, just in terms of immediate impact and possibly firing us into the Top 6. Hoping that Iwobi proves a sound investment over time. I'm curious to see how he does out wide, and how he does through the middle. Hoping that he wants to really prove himself and take himself to the next level, now he's out of the Arsenal bubble.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 23, 2019, 04:20:12 AM
I like Iwobi more than Zaha.

2 in 100, then!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 23, 2019, 04:22:19 AM
I also have this vague notion that Zaha would have annoyed Richarlison.  Like they would both fight each other over the "alpha" role.  You know?

Iwobi seems more the "head down and work to prove myself" kind of lad.  Like Bernard.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on August 23, 2019, 04:27:30 AM
I mentioned at the end of last season how Salah, Richarlison and zaha were the three players who gave away possession the most in the league.

Having two of those players leading your attacks doesnít make for a good balance.

Iwobi is very much like Bernard in that he looks take the touch and play inside, something we need more of.

Zaha shouldíve made the move two years ago. He was on the verge of becoming a proper top level player. If he went to spurs, or the reds heíd be one of the best wingers in Europe.

Now heís just a 27 year old playing for Crystal Palace. Iím made up we seen sense and went with iwobi instead.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on August 23, 2019, 04:39:23 AM
I mentioned at the end of last season how Salah, Richarlison and zaha were the three players who gave away possession the most in the league.

Having two of those players leading your attacks doesnít make for a good balance.

Iwobi is very much like Bernard in that he looks take the touch and play inside, something we need more of.

Zaha shouldíve made the move two years ago. He was on the verge of becoming a proper top level player. If he went to spurs, or the reds heíd be one of the best wingers in Europe.

Now heís just a 27 year old playing for Crystal Palace. Iím made up we seen sense and went with iwobi instead.

They've promised him a move a couple of times and fucked him over I think?

If i was Zaha I'd be raging that I'd signed long contracts with these. May have fucked over his career to keep him at the club and them in the PL.

Going back to Kean - I'd love to see him get some proper service. Bernard and Iwobi fit the bill for this. Sigurdsson has the ability but he doesn't have the ball so I'd rather see one of the other two there.
It just varies how we get balls into the danger area.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 23, 2019, 05:09:48 AM
I think the interchangeability of our front three will prove fruitful. All can play wide or through the middle so will cause problems for defenders... At least that's my hope.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on August 23, 2019, 12:26:45 PM
They've promised him a move a couple of times and fucked him over I think?

If i was Zaha I'd be raging that I'd signed long contracts with these. May have fucked over his career to keep him at the club and them in the PL.

Going back to Kean - I'd love to see him get some proper service. Bernard and Iwobi fit the bill for this. Sigurdsson has the ability but he doesn't have the ball so I'd rather see one of the other two there.
It just varies how we get balls into the danger area.
There are similarities with Sig and Kyle Walker, whereas both pretty much knew their place was guaranteed. Pep got Cancello to push Walker and now we have genuine competition in midfield, I'm hopeful it'll spur Sig on to another level. I personally think some of the criticism he gets is harsh, but these options will only help.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 01, 2019, 11:10:28 PM
Fuming at this cunt.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My blood is actually boiling watching this nonsense from Graeme Souness.

Bafflingly rips into 19yo Moise Kean questioning his character, saying that there's something wrong with him because Juve sold him to Everton on the cheap. #TouchlineFracas (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TouchlineFracas?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) @_NOMICS (https://twitter.com/_NOMICS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/3JkwESRis5 (https://t.co/3JkwESRis5)</p>&mdash; Blaynos (@Blaynos14) September 1, 2019 (https://twitter.com/Blaynos14/status/1168147691483881472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee1 on September 01, 2019, 11:13:19 PM
Fuming at this cunt.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My blood is actually boiling watching this nonsense from Graeme Souness.

Bafflingly rips into 19yo Moise Kean questioning his character, saying that there's something wrong with him because Juve sold him to Everton on the cheap. #TouchlineFracas (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TouchlineFracas?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) @_NOMICS (https://twitter.com/_NOMICS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/3JkwESRis5 (https://t.co/3JkwESRis5)</p>&mdash; Blaynos (@Blaynos14) September 1, 2019 (https://twitter.com/Blaynos14/status/1168147691483881472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
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He and Jose, said that there must be some reason he left other than football - if they had done their research, the appalling racist abuse he had to endure and the lack of support from some of his then teammates, is a pretty good reason to want to leave.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Big Nev on September 01, 2019, 11:31:38 PM
My wife, who doesn't really watch football, actually said to me: "What are those wankers on about?"
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on September 01, 2019, 11:34:48 PM
Those alarm bells going off in your head Souness is your fucking pacemaker packing in
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cozzie on September 01, 2019, 11:42:01 PM
Deffo looked nervous to me today.

To be expected.

Still rather he started ahead of DCL anyway.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on September 01, 2019, 11:43:51 PM
He's only 19, once he bags he'll start flying.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on September 01, 2019, 11:44:41 PM
Souness can go jump.

I thought kean did well today, most of the time pitted against at least 2 players with back to goal. It was a very Dcl performance from him which makes me question our general play. Our movement off the ball through the middle in the final third is non-existent, both he and Dcl need to make better runs at times to create space for themselves and others. As a team we seem to be coached to play the ball into wide areas rather create anything intricate and direct through the middle. Makes us predictable to play against.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on September 01, 2019, 11:47:10 PM
Wonder what it is about Kean and ericksen that he would assume Kean has attitude problems but 'assumes [ericksen] is not a problem around the place'

Hmmmm

Re Kean - tough day for him today. Open game and the majority of his touches are still arse and elbow hold up stuff. Can't be much fun for him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on September 01, 2019, 11:50:23 PM
He's raw but is always looking to attack space, which brings a different dimension that we haven't had for a while.

He'll occupy defenders going the other way even if things don't come off, which creates space for others.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: gizzblue on September 01, 2019, 11:55:41 PM
Think he's gonna be a beast ....made some great runs today ...kept the defence busy and is strong for a 19 year old ...can't wait for him to bag.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on September 02, 2019, 12:32:02 AM
Seven goals since he replaced DCL.

Shows what having an actual goal threat up there can do.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 02, 2019, 01:46:03 AM
I thought he was alright today, gave Wolves a bit of a headache in defense with his constant pressing. He deserved a goal at least, just never connected with his chances, they'll come though.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: toshyboy on September 02, 2019, 02:34:45 AM
Seven goals since he replaced DCL.

Shows what having an actual goal threat up there can do.

This

Heís not getting the goals himself, but heís certainly occupying the opposition in a way that creates them for others
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on September 02, 2019, 02:46:58 AM
It's just Souness being Souness, he chats shit all the time, he suits Sky perfectly
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 02, 2019, 02:53:49 AM
I absolutely hate souness as much as the next man, but this did go through my head when we signed him. We all got carried away that we had pulled juves pants down but thereís a chance that they have seen something in his personality that will stop him fulfilling his undoubted potential. But thatís the same with any signing and it can obviously work the other way, with iwobi too. That you can have a player who demonstrates certain character traits but those aspects are actually a produxt off the environment. I have confidence that both iwobi and kean will do really well but with kean it will defend a lot on how he settles in England looks like brands and co will do everything to make it so. IBWT
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Silas on September 02, 2019, 02:54:06 AM
Seven goals since he replaced DCL.

Shows what having an actual goal threat up there can do.



He's making defenders defend a lot more than Calvert Lewin usually does which means chances are falling our way
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 02, 2019, 03:00:52 AM
I absolutely hate souness as much as the next man, but this did go through my head when we signed him. We all got carried away that we had pulled juves pants down but there's a chance that they have seen something in his personality that will stop him fulfilling his undoubted potential. But that's the same with any signing and it can obviously work the other way, with iwobi too. That you can have a player who demonstrates certain character traits but those aspects are actually a produxt off the environment. I have confidence that both iwobi and kean will do really well but with kean it will defend a lot on how he settles in England looks like brands and co will do everything to make it so. IBWT
Wasn't it widely reported that the two week delay in him signing was to negotiate out the buy-back that Juve wanted? If true, then that's that theory blown out the water.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueNoseMike on September 02, 2019, 03:39:39 AM
Seven goals since he replaced DCL.

Shows what having an actual goal threat up there can do.



You know he weren't actually on the pitch for 3 of them goals right? And that DCL was? Let's not big one up and dismiss the other eh?

I'm in agreement that Kean looks a threat though
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on September 02, 2019, 03:51:57 AM
What happened when he fouled their player and then the ball got stuck under him, looked like he had a little kick at the lad when he was on the floor
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 02, 2019, 04:02:35 AM
His performance today was promising but also a reminder that it will take patients from us. We still haven't seen him have a decent chance in front of goal and he was kept relatively quiet in the first half.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on September 02, 2019, 04:53:33 AM
Had a decent enough game even if his first touch was a little off a few times.

The best thing for me today was how much he actually seemed to enjoy it himself. Felt the last few games he lacked that I worried he wasn't settling in. But he was proper celebrating our goals and seems to have forward a friendship with Richarlison joining in the pidgeon dance and joking around with him and Iwobi.

Small detail but I think it's important for a kid of 19 in a new country.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 02, 2019, 05:57:32 AM
Had a decent enough game even if his first touch was a little off a few times.

The best thing for me today was how much he actually seemed to enjoy it himself. Felt the last few games he lacked that I worried he wasn't settling in. But he was proper celebrating our goals and seems to have forward a friendship with Richarlison joining in the pidgeon dance and joking around with him and Iwobi.

Small detail but I think it's important for a kid of 19 in a new country.
Yeah that's a good sign.

He is really young isnt he. He can have 4 seasons and he'll still be considered a young striker at 23.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: American Evertonian on September 02, 2019, 06:22:16 AM
Had a decent enough game even if his first touch was a little off a few times.

The best thing for me today was how much he actually seemed to enjoy it himself. Felt the last few games he lacked that I worried he wasn't settling in. But he was proper celebrating our goals and seems to have forward a friendship with Richarlison joining in the pidgeon dance and joking around with him and Iwobi.

Small detail but I think it's important for a kid of 19 in a new country.

I really think it helps he is surrounded by young players that are representing their countries at the top level. Makes it easier to bed into a team if you know you are playing with players who are representing top nations in their confederations.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heath on September 02, 2019, 06:40:35 AM

Moise Kean has looked fairly impressive so far and doesn't appear overwhelmed or out of place in the Premier League. Not really wanting to get carried away with the lad, so will wait fourteen months or so then see how he's progressing. We could have a gem on our hands, but then again we may have bought ourselves yet another none-scoring goalscorer. He's only 19 years old, so time really is on his and our side.




Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ally2 on September 02, 2019, 06:54:04 AM
Still a thankless task playing up front for us. He's doing ok but he's got much more to him then running channels and hold up play so I hope we change our approach a bit.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Juanito on September 02, 2019, 12:35:21 PM
Everton need to do something about Souness comment. Itís a common theme with him especially and they least we can do as a football club is protect our player and put this on Sky to see if they do anything. Anyone who doesnít see this as wrong has their own unconscious biases or worse. Disgraceful this racist dinosaur who was an awful manager and is a dour pundit still gets the airtime to promote his blatant  racism.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on September 02, 2019, 01:26:01 PM
He connects on that road be cross and it goes in and weíve got a totally different conversation on our hands. The goals will come, and heís showing me he can create his own chances with his ability to beat his man.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cods on September 02, 2019, 03:22:20 PM
Everton need to do something about Souness comment. Itís a common theme with him especially and they least we can do as a football club is protect our player and put this on Sky to see if they do anything. Anyone who doesnít see this as wrong has their own unconscious biases or worse. Disgraceful this racist dinosaur who was an awful manager and is a dour pundit still gets the airtime to promote his blatant  racism.
What did that sour old bugger say?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on September 02, 2019, 03:33:27 PM
He's getting quite a lot of 'new player bonus points' here imo
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on September 02, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
He's getting quite a lot of 'new player bonus points' here imo

Or an understanding that heís going to have these performances?

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gary1878 on September 02, 2019, 03:54:14 PM
That kind of game against Wolves was so important for him. He came up against a tough defence and struggled to get the ball under control against the pressure of their defenders. It will take time for him to get up to speed and he needs games to get used to the physicality of opposition defenders.

I loved the fact though that despite he had a tough game, that he still had the confidence to take on Boly down the right flank and skinned him for pace (even though he lost a boot in the process).

I would give him a 6/10, as although he struggled, he never gave up, and his confidence never faded.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on September 02, 2019, 04:08:48 PM
Or an understanding that heís going to have these performances?


I don't even think he was bad tbh and I'm certainly not expecting him to not improve.

But the stuff he's getting extra credit for..doesn't last long all that.

I think we'll end up seeing him out wide with rich left or up top, or even Dom back up top.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on September 02, 2019, 04:10:54 PM
He didn't do anything that amazing, although he showed he's a different type of player to DCL though so that's a good starting point.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on September 02, 2019, 04:20:12 PM
Hoping this lads bags in his next game, will be made up for him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on September 04, 2019, 02:12:33 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/sep/03/graeme-souness-reminds-media-think-before-speaking-race-moise-kean-sky-sports-everton
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on September 04, 2019, 02:56:18 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/sep/03/graeme-souness-reminds-media-think-before-speaking-race-moise-kean-sky-sports-everton

Echoes of the Iwobi thread
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on September 04, 2019, 03:20:00 AM
just read it - so Sky Sports has declined to comment but said it was a counter argument based on what Mourinho said-   can't remember the whole thing but did Jose give an  opinion on Kean ,  thought he was asked about Patrick Cutrone  and Souness focussed on Kean.    all i remember was Jose saying they know each other from the u-21's and stated that Cutrone was a good fit for Wolves and the Prem.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 04, 2019, 03:29:00 AM
heres the clip again for all you too lazy to find it :)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 04, 2019, 03:39:20 AM
For me, if he stops at doesn't make common sense he's totally correct in what he says

Then tho, he goes a bit off the tracks and fucks the job so will be accused and possibley rightly be accused of racism
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueski on September 04, 2019, 05:15:13 AM
think all these defamatory statements are absolutely disgusting -you should not be able to say things like this about a young lad with no proof or even evidence heís done a single thing wrong other than turn up a few minutes late for a training session
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 04, 2019, 07:02:02 AM
Quite frankly, he seems like a great lad.  In my mind, the Italian "football elite" didn't like him drawing attention to their continuing, festering wound of racism.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on September 04, 2019, 07:54:53 AM
Inter should never have bought Lukaku then.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: pjk on September 04, 2019, 08:30:01 AM
Kean is a kid. A young lad with loads of time in front of him. He's at Everton. Whatever Raiola has to do with him, I don't know. He looks like a raging bull though. Ģive him time  to settle in. :)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 04, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Quite frankly, he seems like a great lad.  In my mind, the Italian "football elite" didn't like him drawing attention to their continuing, festering wound of racism.
Ive heard other people say this but to effectively decide on having a no black players policy is shooting oneself in ones own cock a little bit, not to mention being extremely backwards? The thing that gets me with the racism thing is that teams and FAs always come out and condemn it, but noone is getting properly bollocked. In the case of physical violence they throw the book. Without being melodramatic you can argue its more serious as there is a knock on effect of racism that spread throughout society, so rather than just having 1 victim you are negatively effecting the lifes of thousands. Honestly I hope we can use this to start something special at Everton, its in fitting with all the brilliant work of EITC. No matter if you're white, black, yellow, or brown, no matter were you're coming from, keep comin on you blues And comin on strong
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on September 04, 2019, 11:47:55 AM
Ive heard other people say this but to effectively decide on having a no black players policy is shooting oneself in ones own cock a little bit, not to mention being extremely backwards? The thing that gets me with the racism thing is that teams and FAs always come out and condemn it, but noone is getting properly bollocked. In the case of physical violence they throw the book. Without being melodramatic you can argue its more serious as there is a knock on effect of racism that spread throughout society, so rather than just having 1 victim you are negatively effecting the lifes of thousands. Honestly I hope we can use this to start something special at Everton, its in fitting with all the brilliant work of EITC. No matter if you're white, black, yellow, or brown, no matter were you're coming from, keep comin on you blues And comin on strong

Lovely use of The Shamen lyrics there.

That was boss.

(drum)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ramjam on September 04, 2019, 02:06:44 PM
Walmart have decided not to sell guns in their stores anymore and have requested that customers donít carry them on their person while on their premises Long overdue this and possibly a great stride to removing them from society


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Morta75 on September 04, 2019, 02:07:04 PM
Need to play Kean... looks like a really good prospect in my opinion  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on September 04, 2019, 02:17:52 PM
Walmart have decided not to sell guns in their stores anymore and have requested that customers don't carry them on their person while on their premises Long overdue this and possibly a great stride to removing them from society


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Thatís great and everything but what does it have to do with Kean?


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ramjam on September 04, 2019, 02:40:05 PM
That's great and everything but what does it have to do with Kean?


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: toffee_scot on September 05, 2019, 12:44:53 AM
Souness says the number 19 nearly as many time as in that Paul Hardcastle song from the 80s.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on September 05, 2019, 01:43:39 AM
Even if you forget the shite About comparing him with adabyoure , the age thing is nothing to keep going on about , loads of players get sold @17,18,19 fuck me the shite have got rid of loads of youngsters lately for millions,. No one bats an eye lid and say what a great deal.  We as blues know the main reason he left
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ally2 on September 06, 2019, 05:06:21 PM
The thing is that this will be brought up again then moment he does anything slightly out of line like turning up five minutes late or getting a red card or something.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on September 06, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
souness knew exactly what he was inferring with what he said...and this is not a hate kopite type statement by me but...isn't it strange that we buy a highly rated young talent and souness sounds off about his character at the same time Liverpool are accused of "bullying" another young talented player...Öbit of envy on souness' part methinks.....

I remember john Barnes telling everyone on talksport Barkley needs to leave Everton to progress and develop his career whilst he's young enough to do it and hes stagnating because hes been at the club too long......3 days later saying exactly the opposite about sterling going to man city and how he should stay at Liverpool because he's too young to move on and would develop better at the club he's been at for years !!!

Why TV have these biased morons on still baffles me....

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 06, 2019, 07:55:52 PM
I play devil's advocate in my own head whenever I have a bias everton thought. But television is unequivocally flooded with shite ex kopite pundits talking through their arse.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on September 11, 2019, 02:25:11 AM
Took a Pen for the Italy U21 team this evening. Surely gotta take them off Sig if he becomes a regular starter this season?

Always good to have your number 9 on them and give them a confidence boost and help them up the goal charts.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: gizzblue on September 11, 2019, 02:29:11 AM
Took a Pen for the Italy U21 team this evening. Surely gotta take them off Sig if he becomes a regular starter this season?

Always good to have your number 9 on them and give them a confidence boost and help them up the goal charts.

Good to see (despite Sourpuss Souness) the italians dont hold a grudge for a tad of tardy behaviour.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on September 11, 2019, 03:06:57 AM
Took a Pen for the Italy U21 team this evening. Surely gotta take them off Sig if he becomes a regular starter this season?

Always good to have your number 9 on them and give them a confidence boost and help them up the goal charts.

I assume he scored it then? :)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on September 11, 2019, 03:21:54 AM
I assume he scored it then? :)

According to the sky sports app he did! I've not managed to find a video of it though so no idea how convincing it was?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on September 11, 2019, 04:17:30 AM


Took a Pen for the Italy U21 team this evening. Surely gotta take them off Sig if he becomes a regular starter this season?

Always good to have your number 9 on them and give them a confidence boost and help them up the goal charts.

It's always good to have your number 9 on penalty duties until you realise thats DCL!! :)

Seriously though i would like to see someone take this on as I'm never really confident with Sig

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: irishtoffee on September 11, 2019, 04:48:49 AM
Taken off early I think. The guy who replaced him scored in the 62nd minute, but not sure when Kean went off. Manager said he took him off as he wanted a player who can play in the spaces.
https://twitter.com/azzurri/status/1171490164146749440?s=21
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 11, 2019, 03:36:19 PM
Got booked on the half hour then scored a pen a few mins later

Got subbed at half-time.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gary1878 on September 11, 2019, 04:27:23 PM
Good grief, the kid is only 19 and he already seems under extreme pressure from what I read. You can see how much spotlight he is under in Italy, as he is clearly their golden boy.

We need to keep him very much focused on his football, and not let him get sidetracked with any outside influence. You feel that a couple of wrong moves, and the media is ready to pounce on him saying "I told you so". Lets hope he proves everyone (mainly Souness) wrong.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on September 12, 2019, 12:51:28 AM
Good to see (despite Sourpuss Souness) the italians dont hold a grudge for a tad of tardy behaviour.
Mancini said that Kean and Zaniolo would normally have been part of his Italy squad but they were demoted to the U21s as punishment for their behaviour in the summer tournament
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: bigmanbob on September 12, 2019, 03:26:20 PM
Can't wait for him to score so the floodgates open
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on September 12, 2019, 03:51:50 PM
His target was 7
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: gizzblue on September 13, 2019, 03:38:21 AM
Mancini said that Kean and Zaniolo would normally have been part of his Italy squad but they were demoted to the U21s as punishment for their behaviour in the summer tournament

And Souness knew fuck all about this when he was assassinating Moise character on Sky .
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on September 13, 2019, 01:50:22 PM
And Souness knew fuck all about this when he was assassinating Moise character on Sky .

Yep, he was just planting seeds about a young black man who had just signed for Everton.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on September 13, 2019, 03:17:29 PM
And Souness knew fuck all about this when he was assassinating Moise character on Sky .
I don't like defending someone like Souness and I don't understand why he felt the need to make those comments about Kean. However there was talk about Kean being dropped from the national team for disciplinary reasons from the 27th of August, Souness comments came much later, so it is possible he knew about it. Also the reports in Italy say that his punishment was not just for turning up late to a meeting but for other actions including disrespecting his teammates and disrupting the team spirit.
Back in June there were reports in Italy that Juventus were considering selling Kean with one of the reasons given as his poor discipline.
2 years ago Kean was suspended from the Italian U19 team due to disciplinary issues.
3 years ago there was talk of Juventus being unhappy with his behaviour towards his teammates and general disruptive behaviour.
These are all different incidents and rumours that follow Kean, it doesn't mean that there is a serious issue with him but they are warning signs.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Escla on September 13, 2019, 03:43:41 PM
I don't like defending someone like Souness and I don't understand why he felt the need to make those comments about Kean. However there was talk about Kean being dropped from the national team for disciplinary reasons from the 27th of August, Souness comments came much later, so it is possible he knew about it. Also the reports in Italy say that his punishment was not just for turning up late to a meeting but for other actions including disrespecting his teammates and disrupting the team spirit.
Back in June there were reports in Italy that Juventus were considering selling Kean with one of the reasons given as his poor discipline.
2 years ago Kean was suspended from the Italian U19 team due to disciplinary issues.
3 years ago there was talk of Juventus being unhappy with his behaviour towards his teammates and general disruptive behaviour.
These are all different incidents and rumours that follow Kean, it doesn't mean that there is a serious issue with him but they are warning signs.
Interesting, I think that Marco and Marcel will keep him steady, maybe he was looking to turn over a new leaf in a new country, problem is, the fuse has now been lit by Souness and the media will just be waiting for him to slip up then blow it out of all proportion.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 13, 2019, 04:07:29 PM
If we are going to sign a top prospect they are probably going to be carrying some baggage; simply due to the position we are in at the moment.

BTW if Kean does bomb will it mean Souness isn't racist?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on September 13, 2019, 04:32:19 PM
No
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on September 13, 2019, 04:54:47 PM
Heís growing and maturing all the time. Some kids learn through experience rather than being told.

New country and out of the comfort zone is a fantastic way to accelerate growth. I was 26 when I first left England and it was hard then. But I grew.

Sure heíll do the same away from regular distractions.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on September 13, 2019, 05:23:32 PM
If we are going to sign a top prospect they are probably going to be carrying some baggage; simply due to the position we are in at the moment.

BTW if Kean does bomb will it mean Souness isn't racist?

Of course not. What a stupid fucking question.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gash on September 13, 2019, 07:09:48 PM
I don't like defending someone like Souness and I don't understand why he felt the need to make those comments about Kean. However there was talk about Kean being dropped from the national team for disciplinary reasons from the 27th of August, Souness comments came much later, so it is possible he knew about it. Also the reports in Italy say that his punishment was not just for turning up late to a meeting but for other actions including disrespecting his teammates and disrupting the team spirit.
Back in June there were reports in Italy that Juventus were considering selling Kean with one of the reasons given as his poor discipline.
2 years ago Kean was suspended from the Italian U19 team due to disciplinary issues.
3 years ago there was talk of Juventus being unhappy with his behaviour towards his teammates and general disruptive behaviour.
These are all different incidents and rumours that follow Kean, it doesn't mean that there is a serious issue with him but they are warning signs.

The ironic thing is Souness wouldn't have had a clue about any of these things when he made his comments.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on September 16, 2019, 07:50:41 PM
Looking at other threads, it seems that some are writing Kean off for this season already
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on September 16, 2019, 07:57:44 PM
Looking at other threads, it seems that some are writing Kean off for this season already

Havent really seen people writing him off, I just think he was bigged up too much for what was realistic at the beginning. He is a better option than DCL hands down, but that doesn't mean hes the right option now and we shouldn't pin all our hopes on him
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on September 16, 2019, 08:37:58 PM
Havent really seen people writing him off, I just think he was bigged up too much for what was realistic at the beginning. He is a better option than DCL hands down, but that doesn't mean hes the right option now and we shouldn't pin all our hopes on him



Nobody knows what is realistic to expect, and weíre certainly none the wiser (nor should we be) after heís played less than 200 minutes of football for a side that doesnít create many goalscoring chances.

Saying that he might not be the right option for now is suggesting that you think he might not be ready this season.

All Iím saying is, itís far too early to tell.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on September 16, 2019, 09:32:17 PM


Nobody knows what is realistic to expect, and we're certainly none the wiser (nor should we be) after he's played less than 200 minutes of football for a side that doesn't create many goalscoring chances.

Saying that he might not be the right option for now is suggesting that you think he might not be ready this season.

All I'm saying is, it's far too early to tell.
I think it's s lot to expect a 19 year old to move to a new league and be our answer, itd be amazing if he did, but we shouldn't be pining our hopes on him, which is an issue as we have to

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mouse on September 16, 2019, 09:41:52 PM
I think it's s lot to expect a 19 year old to move to a new league and be our answer, itd be amazing if he did, but we shouldn't be pining our hopes on him, which is an issue as we have to

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Agreed. He cost a fair amount of money (although at today's prcies...) and with that comes an expectation. Personally, I think he's going to take a little while to fulfil those expectations. The problem is we don't have anyone to take the pressure off and give him that time. My gripe would be we've got ourselves in the position of relying on two very young forwards and an older guy who Silva clearly has no faith in.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on September 16, 2019, 09:49:37 PM
I think it's s lot to expect a 19 year old to move to a new league and be our answer, itd be amazing if he did, but we shouldn't be pining our hopes on him, which is an issue as we have to

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Well, considering the small amount of goals we notched from the CF position last season (Richarlison only got around 4 or 5 iirc when deployed there) he hasnít got too much to live up to.

Sure, if people are expecting him to bang in 20, then thatís unrealistic and a frankly ridiculous.

But then saying Ďheís not readyí/Ďheís not the answer yetí is falling into that same mindset of immediately expecting too much of him.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 17, 2019, 01:55:35 AM
Well, considering the small amount of goals we notched from the CF position last season (Richarlison only got around 4 or 5 iirc when deployed there) he hasnít got too much to live up to.

Sure, if people are expecting him to bang in 20, then thatís unrealistic and a frankly ridiculous.

But then saying Ďheís not readyí/Ďheís not the answer yetí is falling into that same mindset of immediately expecting too much of him.



Yet the club have fuelled those expectations by failing to buy an experienced, first team ready striker.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2019, 02:28:10 AM
Yet the club have fuelled those expectations by failing to buy an experienced, first team ready striker.

Theyíve heightened them somewhat, for sure
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheTone on September 17, 2019, 03:19:05 AM
Bagging this weekend the lad

Pretty sure no other premier league club has a 19 year old leading the line
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on September 17, 2019, 03:22:17 AM

Bagging this weekend the lad

Pretty sure no other premier league club has a 19 year old leading the line

Are they still unveiling the anti racism flag in support this weekend?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2019, 04:43:42 AM
Are they still unveiling the anti racism flag in support this weekend?

Is that true?

Iíd be well behind that.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on September 17, 2019, 01:15:55 PM
Is that true?

I'd be well behind that.
Doesn't mention the Sheff Utd game, but I swear that was the intention?

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/moisekeanantiracism

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2019, 01:36:35 PM
It's the city game I think, I'm sure I've seen that on twitter.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on September 17, 2019, 02:17:38 PM
It's the city game I think, I'm sure I've seen that on twitter.

Yep, originally was gonna be for both games, but decided the City game would get a lot more coverage seeing as it's on Sky
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2019, 03:00:26 PM
Yep, originally was gonna be for both games, but decided the City game would get a lot more coverage seeing as it's on Sky

It also ties in with Sterling as well
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheTone on September 22, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
how'd he do yesterday?

any improvement?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 22, 2019, 04:42:10 PM
how'd he do yesterday?

any improvement?

Had a good chance second half, did everything right but keeper closed him down quickly.

Generally, though he struggled to make an impact, hold up play was inconsistent at best and didn't get near any of the many balls into the box.

I was surprised he stayed on for the full 90 but I think that was Marco panicking with his subs rather than anything else.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Crackling on September 22, 2019, 08:09:31 PM
how'd he do yesterday?

any improvement?
Nope. Still looked way off it.

If we're going to insist on mostly playing for crosses into the box against a team that is big and sit back, we would probably be better off with DCL.

I'm hoping after the City game, we'll try Richarlison up front again with Bernard and Iwobi wide.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on September 22, 2019, 08:31:33 PM
Nope. Still looked way off it.

If we're going to insist on mostly playing for crosses into the box against a team that is big and sit back, we would probably be better off with DCL.

I'm hoping after the City game, we'll try Richarlison up front again with Bernard and Iwobi wide.
We need to try something new, I'm genuinely not sure about Iwobi, he seems like a top bloke, but to me it looks like we spent 30odd million on someone who's worst than Bernard in that position. I'm a big fan of Sig, but I wouldn't be against playing Iwobi or Bernard in the whole as I think they both offer a bit more at the moment

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heath on September 22, 2019, 10:02:55 PM

A few on Twitter slagging the lad off after the game; 'waste of money' 'not good enough' etc. Some of our fans can be unbelievable at times  :(



Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 22, 2019, 10:09:31 PM
A few on Twitter slagging the lad off after the game; 'waste of money' 'not good enough' etc. Some of our fans can be unbelievable at times  :(





Club haven't helped the lad by making such a big song and dance of his signing.

After 15 minutes against a knackered Watford people also decided he was 'ready'.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heath on September 22, 2019, 10:20:07 PM

Club haven't helped the lad by making such a big song and dance of his signing.

After 15 minutes against a knackered Watford people also decided he was 'ready'.

True, he's been bigged up from day one. We really need to be patient and ease him into games rather than expecting the lad to do the business straight away.



Title: Re: Kean
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on September 22, 2019, 10:21:35 PM
Club haven't helped the lad by making such a big song and dance of his signing.

After 15 minutes against a knackered Watford people also decided he was 'ready'.

To be fair pretty much every fan made a big song and dance about his signing, he was the exciting prospect we all wanted and couldn't believe we were getting.

After 7 goals in the two games he started for us made me think he needs to play because having that type of player there looked to have unlocked something in attack. Only for Silva to revert to DCL and have two holding midfielders in the next game knocked any momentum.

Most of people ranting on twitter and clinical but fans moaning about a 19 year old need to give their heads a massive wobble the bell ends.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 22, 2019, 10:41:21 PM
Club haven't helped the lad by making such a big song and dance of his signing.

After 15 minutes against a knackered Watford people also decided he was 'ready'.

He had to be ready. Brands picked him as our senior striker
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: april on September 22, 2019, 11:38:57 PM
The lad looks like heís got great natural instincts and touch, heís got speed and determination. Weíll see if heís got finishing skills when he gets decent service. Too often itís him dropping back or out wide to make something happen.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: woodduck on September 23, 2019, 01:19:16 AM
Iím not liking what Iím seeing.
You can normally tell by looking at how someone moves, touches, shoots, etc. if they will be up for the task.
He doesnít have great feet (not quick and not great control) and his shooting has been average at best so far.
Maybe he was getting away with it in Italy because he was getting through balls on the deck and running on to pass them into goal (no idea if true). Heís not going to get that at Everton thatís for sure.
I donít think this is a confidence thing or that he needs time. Rarely does that work out in my opinion. Youíve either got it or not.
Sorry to be pessimistic.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on September 23, 2019, 02:31:44 AM

Iím not liking what Iím seeing.
You can normally tell by looking at how someone moves, touches, shoots, etc. if they will be up for the task.
He doesnít have great feet (not quick and not great control) and his shooting has been average at best so far.
Maybe he was getting away with it in Italy because he was getting through balls on the deck and running on to pass them into goal (no idea if true). Heís not going to get that at Everton thatís for sure.
I donít think this is a confidence thing or that he needs time. Rarely does that work out in my opinion. Youíve either got it or not.
Sorry to be pessimistic.

Bollocks.

You can tell he's a player, so can the whole world. The fact is, Ronaldo would struggle to bang them in playing in this team. He needs more than just shite crosses that defenders will get to 99 times out of 100.

 He's 19 in a new league on limited minutes and playing in one of the most static and dysfunctional attacks in the league. He'll be fine, it's the tactics that need sorting.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on September 23, 2019, 02:37:09 AM
Iím not liking what Iím seeing.
You can normally tell by looking at how someone moves, touches, shoots, etc. if they will be up for the task.
He doesnít have great feet (not quick and not great control) and his shooting has been average at best so far.
Maybe he was getting away with it in Italy because he was getting through balls on the deck and running on to pass them into goal (no idea if true). Heís not going to get that at Everton thatís for sure.
I donít think this is a confidence thing or that he needs time. Rarely does that work out in my opinion. Youíve either got it or not.
Sorry to be pessimistic.

Utter nonsense, if you don't mind me saying.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on September 23, 2019, 02:37:45 AM
Weíre playing him like Marcus bent.

Throwing it down the channels and all the best fella.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Silas on September 23, 2019, 02:39:16 AM
Anyone playing up top needs dynamism and movement behind him and we aren't providing that
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 23, 2019, 02:52:47 AM
He's got to be given time to find his feet before we set any targets for him.

Madness putting all that pressure on one so inexperienced.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on September 23, 2019, 03:01:37 AM
He's 19 and moved to a new country where he doesn't speak the language, give him a bit of time to adjust before writing him off ffs!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on September 23, 2019, 03:27:25 AM
He's got to be given time to find his feet before we set any targets for him.

Madness putting all that pressure on one so inexperienced.
100% right, but that's why you have to question Brands and the board as that's essentially what they've done.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on September 23, 2019, 03:27:37 AM
Any striker you care to name, bar the odd superstar like Messi or say Henry (who can/could fashion chances for themselves, out of nothing), would've struggled in the last few games.

Getting in the box time and time again and watching Seamus hit the first man every time with yet another shit, aimless cross, or waiting for the mythical day that Sigurdsson familiarises himself with the idea of a through ball is a fucking thankless task, at the best of times.

Then the lad's getting the odd touch of a ball from 35 yard and feeling like he's gotta lash one, because it's his only vague chance of a shot in that game.

As I've said before, striker is the position which is most reliant on the rest of the team. Defenders and midfielders can get on the ball and impact the play throughout the game. Strikers have got to wait until the ball is in a certain part of the pitch to even get a touch, and that's only if the supply line is remotely effective. Ours hasn't been.

Absolute lunacy to even question him at this stage. He clearly has a lot of ability and that will show if/when the team functions.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on September 23, 2019, 03:40:37 AM
I'd try him on the right.

We need Richarlison as close to the six yard box as possible, he's literally a waste of £50m over on the right, and him plus Coleman is a total black hole for possession.

Bernard Richarlison Kean

                Iwobi
      Delph         Davies

Edit : that said, if we are in a game that relies on stretching the opp or bypassing the midfield into the channels - Calvert-Lewin all day long
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on September 23, 2019, 03:43:41 AM
I'd try him on the right.

We need Richarlison as close to the six yard box as possible, he's literally a waste of £50m over on the right, and him plus Coleman is a total black hole for possession.

Bernard Richarlison Kean

                Iwobi
      Delph         Davies
I could be completely misreading it but I think the chemistry isn't there with Coleman and Ricky, i see it with Digne and Bernard but something never seems right with the relationship between Coleman and Ricky and think he would be better used elsewhere.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on September 23, 2019, 05:56:46 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/09/23/unrest-grows-everton-shortcomings-exposed-moise-kean-asked-do/
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on September 23, 2019, 06:05:11 PM
Can I ask - has any of this prompted any revision of DCL's performances and how he was judged?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on September 23, 2019, 07:01:14 PM
If Kean isnít ready for the physical nature of this league, as the article suggests, then why is he playing up front on his own with no-one within 20 yards of him for support.

If weíre going to play two up top, which is what we do when Sig is playing, then Iíd try DCL and Kean and at least give the two lads a chance of making a decent fist of it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on September 23, 2019, 07:16:32 PM
Can I ask - has any of this prompted any revision of DCL's performances and how he was judged?

Iíll admit that it has with me. I donít think it proves that DCL is good enough in the same way it doesnít for Tosun or Niasse but it looks more and more like playing up top for us is a thankless task at the moment.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on September 23, 2019, 07:17:02 PM
Can I ask - has any of this prompted any revision of DCL's performances and how he was judged?
No, not at all. Kean is 3 years younger and shouldn't have been put in this position. He looks like he has a lot to offer, DCL genuinely doesn't. Neither should be starting games, 1 of them as he's very young and new to the league the other as he's not good enough

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on September 23, 2019, 07:22:08 PM
Iíll admit that it has with me. I donít think it proves that DCL is good enough in the same way it doesnít for Tosun or Niasse but it looks more and more like playing up top for us is a thankless task at the moment.


Yeah that's it mate.

Plonking Kean in and then making absolutely no adjustments to how we expect chances to be made. Poor fucking kid man.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Alanvideo on September 23, 2019, 07:32:27 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/09/23/unrest-grows-everton-shortcomings-exposed-moise-kean-asked-do/
......................had a perfect view of Kean's alleged dive . I guess the whole crowd were dumbfounded by the ref's decision. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 23, 2019, 07:52:34 PM
Felt sorry for Kean on Saturday. He looked absolutely dumbfounded at the angles from which the ball was being ploughed into him from.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 24, 2019, 11:19:23 PM
Glad he still likes us hahah

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on September 24, 2019, 11:29:13 PM
He wouldn't still like us if he heard some of the songs from the Lower G lids on the coaches.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 24, 2019, 11:33:53 PM
He wouldn't still like us if he heard some of the songs from the Lower G lids on the coaches.

:(
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on September 25, 2019, 12:08:50 AM
He wouldn't still like us if he heard some of the songs from the Lower G lids on the coaches.

Knuckledraggers
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueToffee on September 25, 2019, 12:57:13 AM
Can I ask - has any of this prompted any revision of DCL's performances and how he was judged?

I've always agreed with what was your central point with some of these DCL discussions that we don't produce enough chances for our forwards.

I still don't think DCL is ready in terms of how he copes when a decent chance does come his way, but I think it does underline that what would have been best for all would be a loan move to a lower division where you'd hope more chances would have given him a route to working on his issues in terms of finishing (because to some degree you can't improve unless you're getting chances to make mistakes) as if you want to be a PL striker you do need to be able to profit on slender pickings SOME weeks.

So, I'm not writing him off, but I don't think where he is right now is helpful to either side of this.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on October 06, 2019, 04:17:24 AM
https://twitter.com/lewisroyden/status/1180510335066873862?s=19

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on October 09, 2019, 09:13:05 AM
I had a hunch from the moment ae bought him that he would flop.

Thus far I am being proven correct. He looks a good player but sometimes its about timing. See Serge Gnabry at WBA compared to him now at Bayern scoring 4 in the CL.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 09, 2019, 10:07:13 AM
Itís 8 fucking games into the season. Get a grip
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 09, 2019, 12:12:09 PM
Haha what a little wanker.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bally on October 09, 2019, 12:47:55 PM
I had a hunch from the moment ae bought him that he would flop.

Thus far I am being proven correct. He looks a good player but sometimes its about timing. See Serge Gnabry at WBA compared to him now at Bayern scoring 4 in the CL.
You're either taking the piss or had a massive brain fart...
Fucking 8 games in, it's been shit, he's had no fucking chance and you had a fucking hunch.... Fuck off lad

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 09, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
1 start (?) and a few 20 or so minute sub appearances and some are writing him off?

It's not like he's exactly being left behind by some of our other players known to have bagged a goal or two in past seasons as none of them are doing it. Apart from the Wolves game and the City game where Ederson had a worldly chances have been limited or shite.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on October 09, 2019, 01:07:54 PM
I had a hunch from the moment ae bought him that he would flop.

Thus far I am being proven correct. He looks a good player but sometimes its about timing. See Serge Gnabry at WBA compared to him now at Bayern scoring 4 in the CL.

Did you? Funny as I donít remember you posting anything when he signed. In fact I donít remember you posting anything in the past 6 months, but yet here you are when we are going through a bad time - itís uncanny that you are posting with such foresight. Or maybe itís not
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 09, 2019, 01:39:14 PM
I had a hunch from the moment ae bought him that he would flop.

Thus far I am being proven correct. He looks a good player but sometimes its about timing. See Serge Gnabry at WBA compared to him now at Bayern scoring 4 in the CL.
So... Is he a flop? Like you said.

Or... Does he need time to develop like Gnabry? Like you said.

Or are you just talking shit?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on October 09, 2019, 01:43:16 PM
Did you? Funny as I donít remember you posting anything when he signed. In fact I donít remember you posting anything in the past 6 months, but yet here you are when we are going through a bad time - itís uncanny that you are posting with such foresight. Or maybe itís not

Just a thought I kept to myself. Been busy.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Juanito on October 09, 2019, 02:12:58 PM
I had a hunch from the moment ae bought him that he would flop.

Thus far I am being proven correct. He looks a good player but sometimes its about timing. See Serge Gnabry at WBA compared to him now at Bayern scoring 4 in the CL.

No striker would perform under this mess. Especially not a 19 year old. To call him a flop is embarrassing. To compare him to Gnabry is a little strange because Kean was scoring in consecutive games for Juventus and scoring for the national side when Ronaldo was injured. Gnabry just developed later when he got consistent first team football for a progressive side.

Itís more predictable that Kean would thrive in a good, attacking side. Tell me a 19 year old who moves to another country adapting to  another language to a side in the relegation zone (that has scored 6 goals in 8 games)  and has done well.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on October 09, 2019, 02:36:50 PM
Ah-ha, so our 19 year old striker has not scored in *checks notes* 8 games in which we have created *checks notes* absolutely fuck all service for him.

Just as I thought dear Watson. A flop is afoot.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: bigmanbob on October 09, 2019, 03:23:56 PM
Ah-ha, so our 19 year old striker has not scored in *checks notes* 8 games in which we have created *checks notes* absolutely fuck all service for him.
Absolutely this, the few times he's looked good it's been entirely of his own making.
Formation, formation, formation
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 09, 2019, 10:43:34 PM
This is where I think we made a mistake with Sandro.  A badly performing side under a terrible manager and he was thrown straight into the mix instead of going back out on loan or staying at his previous club for the year to develop.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gary1878 on October 09, 2019, 11:00:15 PM
Just a thought I kept to myself. Been busy.

I had a hunch from the moment ae bought him that he would flop.

Thus far I am being proven correct. He looks a good player but sometimes its about timing. See Serge Gnabry at WBA compared to him now at Bayern scoring 4 in the CL.

Mate, do you work for Hindsight Capital Management by any chance?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on October 09, 2019, 11:02:09 PM
Mate, do you work for Hindsight Capital Management by any chance?
He can tell you last night's lotto results too if you want them!!?

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 09, 2019, 11:41:49 PM
Mate, do you work for Hindsight Capital Management by any chance?

Did you just say work?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ally2 on October 10, 2019, 02:11:30 AM
Poor sod stuck with us
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: bluestevie on October 10, 2019, 06:10:23 AM
Ah I see Thomas the clown is back
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Alanvideo on October 20, 2019, 09:38:23 PM
Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but despite only having a few minutes , Kean was involved twice in the build up to Sig's goal.  Good hold up play and passing ability. Can't wait for him to open his account.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on October 20, 2019, 10:24:11 PM
Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but despite only having a few minutes , Kean was involved twice in the build up to Sig's goal.  Good hold up play and passing ability. Can't wait for him to open his account.
I mentioned it yesterday. That goal wouldnít have been had it not been for him.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 20, 2019, 10:33:25 PM
Credit to Marco for easing him in. Must have been a temptation to throw him in in difficult circumstances just to take off some of the heat that's be building on Marco since the start of the season.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ross on October 21, 2019, 05:42:52 AM
Looks a bit bumbling awkward doesnít he.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 21, 2019, 12:48:45 PM
Haha
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 21, 2019, 01:34:44 PM
Oh great ::)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on October 21, 2019, 02:18:27 PM
Thought he did very well in the limited time he had - held the ball up well, and helped set up Gylfi for his goal. Would have liked to have seen him get more than 8 minutes though.

Think he will be a monster for us once up to speed, got pace and trickery as well as a physical presence.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on October 21, 2019, 02:23:09 PM
...and his 2nd touch isn't a tackle.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on October 22, 2019, 02:23:25 AM
According to some random sites Milan are looking at signing him in January

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on October 22, 2019, 02:28:28 AM
According to some random sites Milan are looking at signing him in January

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They can piss off. We haven't even had chance to get his fucking wrapper off yet!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on October 22, 2019, 02:48:14 AM
They can piss off. We haven't even had chance to get his fucking wrapper off yet!
Yep, sounds like bs and can't even see us entertaining it unless he's properly struggling to settle, but even if that is true id make him stay as its only been about 4 months

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on October 22, 2019, 02:49:15 AM
Seemed pretty happy when Gylfi scored like
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lookmanohands on October 22, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
Just been nominated for the young players ballon d'or.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on October 22, 2019, 08:30:55 PM
Canít wait till he scores.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Trublue on October 23, 2019, 03:10:35 AM
I think we should give him a few games for the Under 23's. A goal or two would do him the world of good.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 23, 2019, 03:15:18 AM
Amazing.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 23, 2019, 03:56:59 AM
You realise that the u23s is like what he would have been scoring in when he was 16?

How would that help him?

By saying although you've scored CL goals, international goals, serie a goals, we need you to prove you can score for our u23s
I think we should give him a few games for the Under 23's. A goal or two would do him the world of good.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2019, 04:15:43 AM
I think we should give him a few games for the Under 23's. A goal or two would do him the world of good.

Why ?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on October 23, 2019, 04:16:36 AM
If you want him to get some goals as a confidence builder - what do people think dropping him to the U23's would do for his confidence, exactly?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on October 23, 2019, 02:14:05 PM
We need to play him, simple. If we want to keep him as a sub for the time being, then he needs more than 8 minutes.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on October 23, 2019, 04:20:48 PM
I'm not concerned in the slightest, I reckon we're doing the right thing with him, lets not forget he's still a teenager and has moved to a country where he doesn't speak the language, there's no rush at all, the goals will come, we've already seen little snippets of his quality, give him 90 mins in the cup game next week.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 23, 2019, 05:53:34 PM
Hopefully he will get the start against Watford and slot for us.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Juanito on October 23, 2019, 07:47:48 PM
I think we should give him a few games for the Under 23's. A goal or two would do him the world of good.

You do realise he was scoring goals 6 games in a row in Seria A and the champions league before coming here? Training with Cristiano Ronaldo.  Once he is part of a coherent, dynamic side the goals are gonna come.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on October 26, 2019, 08:31:50 PM
Wonder how the lad feels coming in as our only new signing up top and now sitting on the bench with Richy up front?

I'd like to think he knows Silva is just playing him in slowly and will be fighting to get a goal when he comes on. Just hope he doesn't sulk and expect to be playing and not perform with the reputation he came with and the fact he's a teenager currently on the young ballon d'Or shortlist.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 26, 2019, 08:35:43 PM
We need to play him, simple. If we want to keep him as a sub for the time being, then he needs more than 8 minutes.

If we had gone two up earlier he would have got more minutes. He will probably start in mid week.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on October 28, 2019, 03:46:12 AM
Starting to get a bit confused about Kean. I understand the Ďwork him in slowlyí idea. But heís getting cameos and no time to actually adapt. Seems Silva doesnít really fancy him for whatever reason. Is this a problem with using a DoF?

Brands fancied him but the manager doesnít feel he can work him into his team. Either way itís still not great that we still havenít attempted to replace lukaku if we see Kean as more of a long term project
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on October 28, 2019, 01:53:13 PM
Iím sure Silva would have preferred the time, effort and funds to have been spent chasing a centre half instead of a forward who he clearly doesnít fancy.

Of that he deserves some sympathy.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on October 28, 2019, 04:38:49 PM
Kean should have been played more for sure. Not understanding the whole deal with this one.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 28, 2019, 11:09:34 PM
Looks like we're easing him in. Unfortunately we've not been comfortable in any games to give him more minutes so far.
He may start in mid week but DCL's goal at the weekend may have scuppered that too.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueToffee on October 29, 2019, 12:03:17 AM
Wasn't he used coming off the wing for Juventus? So it seems like a decent time with Bernard being out to put him into that role. The smallest potential change to what was working for us.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 29, 2019, 02:19:09 AM
Wasn't he used coming off the wing for Juventus? So it seems like a decent time with Bernard being out to put him into that role. The smallest potential change to what was working for us.

I think I also read this when he signed for us. I would imagine this is by far the most sensible option and rotate Kean and Richarlison on the left and rotate DCL and Richarlison up top.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on October 29, 2019, 11:45:59 AM
Maybe he's been waiting to put him on in a game we're dominating and making chances and the pressure is off the youngster?

In which case - don't expect to see more than another 5 minutes of him by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on October 29, 2019, 02:16:01 PM
Hoping that we are priming him to become a regular starter in the 2nd half of the season.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Juanito on October 29, 2019, 02:54:52 PM
As a front 3, I wouldnít mind seeing;

Kean DCL Richarlison

DCL would do a lot of work to occupy the central defenders to give those two goal scorers more space.

Interesting to see SiLvAís line up tonight. In my view, he should start Kean.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on October 29, 2019, 03:50:15 PM
I think if it was just a case of Silva trying to protect him. Heíd of definitely given up with that and thrown him in now with him being so close to the sack. I just think itís a case of him not fancying him
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2019, 05:52:25 AM
Don't think he'll be here next season, got that kinda feeling about it.

Lookman vibes.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on October 30, 2019, 05:53:31 AM
Don't think he'll be here next season, got that kinda feeling about it.

Lookman vibes.

He will, Silva wonít.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 30, 2019, 05:55:18 AM
Does he play reserve football? Is there such a thing anymore?

He still looks way off the pace and his half-time substitution was the correct decision.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2019, 04:25:32 PM
Feel for the lad. In all honesty he probably isn't what we needed. We needed someone further along in their career to offer genuine competition and support to DCL but we got a talented lad who doesn't look as ready to play regularly, especially in the system we play.

Richarlison is a better bet up top if we are going to rotate with DCL and both Richarlison and Walcott are better suited to the flanks.

While Silva is here I don't think we'll see much of him for various reasons, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gary Todd on October 30, 2019, 04:51:00 PM
We are 8 games in to a fucking piss poor season (so far) he's hardly had any game time and when he has he's been played out of his favoured position on occasion yet you feel the need to call him a flop? Have you ever heard of giving someone a chance?He's a very talented young lad who needs time to settle in to a new team and new country most of the players around him are struggling at present  Flop my arse sorry but your talking total and utter bollocks!
I had a hunch from the moment ae bought him that he would flop.

Thus far I am being proven correct. He looks a good player but sometimes its about timing. See Serge Gnabry at WBA compared to him now at Bayern scoring 4 in the CL.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2019, 04:58:54 PM
Silva is fucking him up, he is not suited out wide at all, play him up top, give him a game, instead of a 10-15 cameo every few weeks
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2019, 05:06:50 PM
Have to say I wanted him out wide and he wasn't very good.

On reflection that last half hour given to Tosun with a firing Iwobi behind him would have been much more valuable given to Keano.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on October 30, 2019, 05:22:06 PM
I think a lot of us have gotten over-exited by Kean with his 6 goals in 6 games for Juve. Ignoring the fact that he went without a goal for the next 6.
He is what he is, which is a very talented, inexperienced youngster coming to a new country, where they play a different kind of football. At the same time he has to learn what his new manager wants from him, how his new teammates play and adapt to a new system. All at a team which is dysfunctional at best.
I don't think we should be expecting too much from him until at least Easter time.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on October 30, 2019, 05:23:22 PM
On reflection that last half hour given to Tosun

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/ad68f31283dfb2fdf16f958655499c5f/tumblr_pozfg95qSv1smcbl0o6_r1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2019, 05:27:33 PM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/ad68f31283dfb2fdf16f958655499c5f/tumblr_pozfg95qSv1smcbl0o6_r1_500.gif)

Time is a construct, if its given to Ademola Lookman its 3 minutes if its given to Tosun its 30.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on October 30, 2019, 05:28:18 PM
Time is a construct, if its given to Ademola Lookman its 3 minutes if its given to Tosun its 30.

very good ;)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 30, 2019, 05:31:13 PM
Have to say I wanted him out wide and he wasn't very good.

Not for nothing but he's never played wide right in his (recent) career. 29 games all appearances in 18/19 and 27 were at CF, the other 2 at LW (for Italy).


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 30, 2019, 05:34:38 PM
I think a lot of us have gotten over-exited by Kean with his 6 goals in 6 games for Juve. Ignoring the fact that he went without a goal for the next 6.

Do we have anyone on our current roster who's scored 6 goals in 13 games in his career? Strikers are streaky by nature unless you're in the rarified company of Lewandowski, Aguero, Kane, Mbappe etc.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 30, 2019, 05:42:44 PM
Does he play reserve football? Is there such a thing anymore?

He still looks way off the pace and his half-time substitution was the correct decision.
I don't think anyone is turning their nose up at Walcott coming on. It just should have been for DCL who didn't do a thing, which would have allowed Kean to get a go at CF. It seemed like he & Coleman had never met, let alone in sync down the right. Then again, Coleman shouldn't be playing at all so...


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on October 30, 2019, 05:56:04 PM
DCL didn't do enough yesterday. Especially if you compare his movement to Richarlisons when he plays up top.

However, he has 5 in 6 and currently looks the more likely to score out of him and Kean so he probably needs to start v Spurs.

Kean should be given a chance to play up top with Richarlison, Iwobi and Walcott in behind him if DCL doesn't perform consistently.
Title: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 30, 2019, 06:03:55 PM
Marco just needs to get a clue and finally play a proper 433. Stop asking the forwards to play defense (Richarlison should not be leading the team in tackles). Then it really doesn't matter who is where on the front 3 because all of them would need moving, cutting inside, and generally being in & around the area. Asking Kean to play wide right in a 4231 is foolish.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Simon Paul on October 31, 2019, 02:40:18 AM
I think a lot of us have gotten over-exited by Kean with his 6 goals in 6 games for Juve. Ignoring the fact that he went without a goal for the next 6.
He is what he is, which is a very talented, inexperienced youngster coming to a new country, where they play a different kind of football. At the same time he has to learn what his new manager wants from him, how his new teammates play and adapt to a new system. All at a team which is dysfunctional at best.
I don't think we should be expecting too much from him until at least Easter time.


we were all allowed to go bat shit about Richarlison though, who pretty much did the same but at Watford

We paid nearly £30m for this lad and he gets 45 minutes out of position in the League Cup?

Something is wrong, somewhere.  We won't want it to be Teflon Brands though.  He hugged the lad's mum, it can't possibly be his judgement called into question.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kramer0 on October 31, 2019, 02:51:21 AM
He needs to play CF in a decent lineup.

Richarlison and Tosun have logged more minutes at CF with Iwobi as the #10 than Kean has. That's a management issue.

He's not going to succeed unless he gets meaningful time in his natural position ahead of players who can actually feed him the ball, even if it's just 20-30 minutes at the end of a match.

Slight tangent: Silva seems to be terrible at developing young players, which is more than enough to sack him when you consider the mediocre results.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on October 31, 2019, 03:00:00 AM
we were all allowed to go bat shit about Richarlison though, who pretty much did the same but at Watford

We paid nearly £30m for this lad and he gets 45 minutes out of position in the League Cup?

Something is wrong, somewhere.  We won't want it to be Teflon Brands though.  He hugged the lad's mum, it can't possibly be his judgement called into question.

Well, considering the majority of our better performing players (Mina, Digne, Sidibe, Gomes, Richarlison, Bernard) were signed by Brands, Iím inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on October 31, 2019, 03:23:09 AM
Heís done nothing so far to warrant getting minutes up top on his own, as heís shown nothing to suggest he can hold it up aswell as DCL. When he comes on and does something great then yes maybe, but we canít risk having 0 presence up top.

And in relation to 433. We donít have the players for 433. Accept it. Maybe when gbamin is back and we can get a right forward in.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on October 31, 2019, 03:40:26 AM
He needs to play CF in a decent lineup.

Richarlison and Tosun have logged more minutes at CF with Iwobi as the #10 than Kean has. That's a management issue.

He's not going to succeed unless he gets meaningful time in his natural position ahead of players who can actually feed him the ball, even if it's just 20-30 minutes at the end of a match.

Slight tangent: Silva seems to be terrible at developing young players, which is more than enough to sack him when you consider the mediocre results.

He's given DCL plenty of minutes and improved him tbf to Silva
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Simon Paul on October 31, 2019, 03:41:17 AM
He's done nothing so far to warrant getting minutes up top on his own, as he's shown nothing to suggest he can hold it up aswell as DCL. When he comes on and does something great then yes maybe, but we can't risk having 0 presence up top.

And in relation to 433. We don't have the players for 433. Accept it. Maybe when gbamin is back and we can get a right forward in.
Had our coaches and manager never seen him before we signed him and have to base their judgement on 45 minutes on the wing and sparse chances elsewhere?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 31, 2019, 04:00:48 AM
He needs to play CF in a decent lineup.

Richarlison and Tosun have logged more minutes at CF with Iwobi as the #10 than Kean has. That's a management issue.

He's not going to succeed unless he gets meaningful time in his natural position ahead of players who can actually feed him the ball, even if it's just 20-30 minutes at the end of a match.

Slight tangent: Silva seems to be terrible at developing young players, which is more than enough to sack him when you consider the mediocre results.

That's the best argument I've heard for sacking him.  We can't ruin the Kean relationship, this is really our only way to "grow" a top striker.  But I wouldn't bin him midseason unless Arteta is lined up.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on October 31, 2019, 04:16:18 AM
Maybe Kean just isn't showing enough in training also? Price tag doesn't guarantee minutes. People are expecting far to much from this situation. When he came he said that he hopes he could maybe get 7 goals this season. That tells you a lot about his confidence
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on October 31, 2019, 04:33:42 AM
Maybe Kean just isn't showing enough in training also? Price tag doesn't guarantee minutes. People are expecting far to much from this situation. When he came he said that he hopes he could maybe get 7 goals this season. That tells you a lot about his confidence
Or he watched us play last season and realized he wouldnít get many chances.

Last night he would probably have scored had Richarlisons pass been better in the early stages of the game.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 31, 2019, 04:36:05 AM
He's done nothing so far to warrant getting minutes up top on his own, as he's shown nothing to suggest he can hold it up aswell as DCL. When he comes on and does something great then yes maybe, but we can't risk having 0 presence up top.

And in relation to 433. We don't have the players for 433. Accept it. Maybe when gbamin is back and we can get a right forward in.

Seems as though you just wanted to get this point across and chose to ignore the 10 that came before it.

Evidence:
"He's done nothing so far to warrant getting minutes up top on his own, as he's shown nothing to suggest he can hold it up aswell as DCL."

Round & round we go.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 31, 2019, 04:37:37 AM
Maybe Kean just isn't showing enough in training also? Price tag doesn't guarantee minutes. People are expecting far to much from this situation. When he came he said that he hopes he could maybe get 7 goals this season. That tells you a lot about his confidence

Anything else? Keep grasping. So you'd rather he have said "I'll bang in 20 with ease?" FFS


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on October 31, 2019, 06:11:58 AM
Anything else? Keep grasping. So you'd rather he have said "I'll bang in 20 with ease?" FFS


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I donít get the point youíre trying to make? No what he said is fine. Itís all about managing expectations which is fine specially with such a toxic fan base like ours. DCL has done well considering some of the shit heís got from the stands last year. Which is why working him in dribs and drabs is fine.

Throw him up front for 45mins, he stinks the gaff out, then where do we go from there? His confidence is shot then, his game time dries up further as the manager wonít be able to trust him in tough times. Until he can prove in his cameos that heís got something about his game he wonít get starts. Itís as simple as that, this isnít a Silva issue. I canít imagine many managers throwing him in at this time, more so in the situation weíre in

Edit:

And yes obviously it would be nice to see him get more time in the second halfís. But unfortunately weíre shite at the minute and the game and game plan are in tatters at this point already
Title: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 31, 2019, 06:33:34 AM
I don't get the point you're trying to make? No what he said is fine. It's all about managing expectations which is fine specially with such a toxic fan base like ours. DCL has done well considering some of the shit he's got from the stands last year. Which is why working him in dribs and drabs is fine.

Throw him up front for 45mins, he stinks the gaff out, then where do we go from there? His confidence is shot then, his game time dries up further as the manager won't be able to trust him in tough times. Until he can prove in his cameos that he's got something about his game he won't get starts. It's as simple as that, this isn't a Silva issue. I can't imagine many managers throwing him in at this time, more so in the situation we're in

Edit:

And yes obviously it would be nice to see him get more time in the second half's. But unfortunately we're shite at the minute and the game and game plan are in tatters at this point already

It's very much a Silva issue. Kean has never played wide right, let alone wide right in a 4231. Full stop. It's utterly absurd to say, or think, or expect him to do anything over there in Silva's rigid system.

Kean plays CF 99% of the time, and wide left 1% of the time. In a 433 100% of the time. I don't think what was asked of him could be any more opposite

Silva hasn't exactly shown that he cares about, or knows what to do with anyone under the age of 22 if we're being honest. Last night convinced me that Kean is a part of Brands's long-term vision and Silva is not.

(I'm a big Kean fan btw lol)

Edit: sorry, I forgot to say that until he's given an actual extended chance at CF in a more fluid offense we'll never know. There's a reason DCL has been wildly inconsistent and just like Kean, it's IMO the lone striker/forward tactic. Marco's a dope.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on October 31, 2019, 04:21:28 PM
I didn't know much about the lad before he signed and I don't know much more now.

If he makes it here great, if he doesn't then it's not really that big a deal. He just doesn't really fit into this system and he has looked a bit lightweight and raw when he's played. Granted he's coming into a dysfunctional side low on confidence but he's 3rd choice striker at the minute and he looks like he can't play on his own up top as it doesn't suit him physically.

Richarlison, DCL and Walcott look like our best front three at present. Sad but true.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 31, 2019, 06:34:19 PM
I didn't know much about the lad before he signed and I don't know much more now.

If he makes it here great, if he doesn't then it's not really that big a deal. He just doesn't really fit into this system and he has looked a bit lightweight and raw when he's played. Granted he's coming into a dysfunctional side low on confidence but he's 3rd choice striker at the minute and he looks like he can't play on his own up top as it doesn't suit him physically.

Richarlison, DCL and Walcott look like our best front three at present. Sad but true.

Pretty accurate assessment IMO. The fit in our system is the most accurate. Until we move away from a lone striker set-up, Kean's not going to work here. If he was 23? Sure.  But not now.

Only part I'd disagree with is it not being a big deal if it doesn't work out. Forgetting about the £27m we paid, or our chances of recouping it, what message does this send to the rest of the football world about the chances for young talent to succeed at EFC? We're not the only ones monitoring this situation unfold. Why would 18-year-old wunderkind Reinier Jesus come here (or his agent let him), for example?


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2019, 06:36:57 PM
Young lad from aboard struggling in his first six months in england

Seen it a million times before. No worries here and I'm sure we'll start to see his qualities as the season goes on.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on October 31, 2019, 06:40:33 PM
Slight tangent: Silva seems to be terrible at developing young players, which is more than enough to sack him when you consider the mediocre results.

...and you consider our DOF wants the kids to come through and develop...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2019, 06:42:30 PM
He needs to play CF in a decent lineup.

Richarlison and Tosun have logged more minutes at CF with Iwobi as the #10 than Kean has. That's a management issue.

He's not going to succeed unless he gets meaningful time in his natural position ahead of players who can actually feed him the ball, even if it's just 20-30 minutes at the end of a match.

Slight tangent: Silva seems to be terrible at developing young players, which is more than enough to sack him when you consider the mediocre results.

There's not much evidence for your last sentence.

Look what he's done with richarlison for example.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on October 31, 2019, 06:56:57 PM
I don't actually think he's struggling, he's just not getting a run of games to get settled. Nor will he any time soon as long as every game for the manager is a pressure one.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 31, 2019, 06:57:22 PM
Stick him in the U23s...... if permitted....
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on October 31, 2019, 06:58:28 PM
Well, considering the majority of our better performing players (Mina, Digne, Sidibe, Gomes, Richarlison, Bernard) were signed by Brands, Iím inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Canít believe I forgot to add Iwobi to that list.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on October 31, 2019, 07:48:38 PM
Think the general reaction, although well meaning from fans who want Kean to do well, has been OTT.

He's quite rightly not going to get ahead of DCL and Richy at CF currently but when he came on on the right against Man City he looked OK as the game opened up.

Nothing egregious about giving him a go and seeing what he can do from there against a pretty poor Watford.

OK it didn't work and and it was pretty ruthless by Silva to hook him at half time but it was absolutely the right decision and Walcott made the desired impact.

It's now on Kean to get his head down and show Silva what he can do in training because every player is going to come across these situations in their career and it's important he's able to get on with his job.

Silva also does need to give him a steady run of games with a defined role that suits him at some point but that will come in the future.

Kean is going to get his chance to play up front some point soon, might not be in the next 2 or 3 games but he needs to be ready.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kramer0 on October 31, 2019, 07:52:07 PM
There's not much evidence for your last sentence.

Look what he's done with richarlison for example.

He's definitely done well for Richarlison at two clubs, no argument there.

Calvert-Lewin was the best CF at the club the day Silva showed up, not to mention a more natural fit for Silva's approach, and it took how many months of Tosun and Richarlison before he finally relented.

Davies benched for extended periods of time even though he's made us tick since Koeman's first season (we have nobody else who moves the ball forward as aggressively and decisively as he does), sometimes to accommodate Schneiderlin, who is a shell of whatever he used to be.

Kean clearly needs the ball played into his feet to be successful, has logged barely any minutes in front of a midfield that can do it (even though such a midfield exists and has even started in recent matches). Also, he's not a winger.

Not to mention the bizarre treatment of Lookman last season (in the team based on a good sub appearance, out of the team for not being man of the match).

Honestly, the only reason I think he's been so good for Richarlison is because Richarlison managed to become one of his favorites.

If he had put as much faith in Calvert-Lewin and Davies here as he did in Richarlison at Watford, it would already be paying dividends for him. The way he shuffles these players in and out of the team, sometimes seemingly at random, is enough to make me think that he has no vision for them. When I see his strange usage of a big investment like Kean (undeniably talented), yeah, I'm a bit concerned.

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder but I really don't think he's good at developing players.

To be fair, part of this is residual anger that we hired Koeman instead of Favre, sold off exciting players like Barkley and Deulofeu (both of whom could have been key contributors with proper coaching), and assembled one of the dullest, most overpaid squads in recent PL history. We shouldn't even be in this position based on where Moshiri started.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Escla on October 31, 2019, 07:57:05 PM
I get the impression that Silva is a poor communicator, his grasp of the English language is pretty poor,
it would not surprise me to see the Portuguese speaking players progress further than others.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on October 31, 2019, 07:59:47 PM
Tbf. We donít actually have any youngsters on the cusp of first team football. The only one you can make an argument for him not giving a go of is Lookman. But thatís not going great for him in Germany either which would suggest maybe there is an issue with the player after all.

Title: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 31, 2019, 09:18:33 PM
Think the general reaction, although well meaning from fans who want Kean to do well, has been OTT.

He's quite rightly not going to get ahead of DCL and Richy at CF currently but when he came on on the right against Man City he looked OK as the game opened up.

Nothing egregious about giving him a go and seeing what he can do from there against a pretty poor Watford.

OK it didn't work and and it was pretty ruthless by Silva to hook him at half time but it was absolutely the right decision and Walcott made the desired impact.

It's now on Kean to get his head down and show Silva what he can do in training because every player is going to come across these situations in their career and it's important he's able to get on with his job.

Silva also does need to give him a steady run of games with a defined role that suits him at some point but that will come in the future.

Kean is going to get his chance to play up front some point soon, might not be in the next 2 or 3 games but he needs to be ready.

It was absolutely the right move to bring Walcott on but why Silva didn't move Kean to CF right then and there is beyond me. DCL was invisible (14 touches all game compared to Kean's 15 in the first half), and a putrid 17% pass completion. Kean also had a sitter if Richy could actually have made a pass to him on that 3-on-1.

Does he need to improve? Sure. Just not playing wide right in a 4231, something he's never done before. I think he'll be ready to play CF because that is all he's played but Silva's longer striker stubbornness is just not suited to Kean.

Edit: You're also correct about the pecking order at CF, but imagine if Stubborn-va switched to a 433 where 3 forwards are essentially interchangeable? Look at Liverpool for proof of how good it can work (and yes I know we don't have Manť/Firmino/Salah).

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 31, 2019, 09:24:29 PM
He's definitely done well for Richarlison at two clubs, no argument there.

Calvert-Lewin was the best CF at the club the day Silva showed up, not to mention a more natural fit for Silva's approach, and it took how many months of Tosun and Richarlison before he finally relented.

Davies benched for extended periods of time even though he's made us tick since Koeman's first season (we have nobody else who moves the ball forward as aggressively and decisively as he does), sometimes to accommodate Schneiderlin, who is a shell of whatever he used to be.

Kean clearly needs the ball played into his feet to be successful, has logged barely any minutes in front of a midfield that can do it (even though such a midfield exists and has even started in recent matches). Also, he's not a winger.

Not to mention the bizarre treatment of Lookman last season (in the team based on a good sub appearance, out of the team for not being man of the match).

Honestly, the only reason I think he's been so good for Richarlison is because Richarlison managed to become one of his favorites.

If he had put as much faith in Calvert-Lewin and Davies here as he did in Richarlison at Watford, it would already be paying dividends for him. The way he shuffles these players in and out of the team, sometimes seemingly at random, is enough to make me think that he has no vision for them. When I see his strange usage of a big investment like Kean (undeniably talented), yeah, I'm a bit concerned.

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder but I really don't think he's good at developing players.

To be fair, part of this is residual anger that we hired Koeman instead of Favre, sold off exciting players like Barkley and Deulofeu (both of whom could have been key contributors with proper coaching), and assembled one of the dullest, most overpaid squads in recent PL history. We shouldn't even be in this position based on where Moshiri started.

So spot on itís eerie.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dunkster on October 31, 2019, 11:28:42 PM
My frustration was in dragging him off at half time when everyone had been shit. It wasn't the introduction of Walcott that changed the game it was mainly the picking up the pace of the game by another 20% that started stretching the game and creating spaces. Yeah theo did OK and it was a good cross for the goal but it really made kean look the culprit for the shit first half.
It's rare unless things have really really gone to shit in the first half to make a drastic halftime substitution, normally a rocket up the arse and give the players 10 to 15 minutes to put it right is what happens.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: toffee_scot on November 01, 2019, 01:29:35 AM
It is a little concerning about Silva's approach towards the younger players, can't remember the last time someone from the Everton Academy even made the bench since probably Morgan Feeney 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on November 01, 2019, 01:32:04 AM
Young lad from aboard struggling in his first six months in england

Seen it a million times before. No worries here and I'm sure we'll start to see his qualities as the season goes on.

Precisely. It's a big culture change for the lad, in football and in life.

Twitter has been awash with "Silva has fucked this lad, he'll want to leave shouts" whereas all that's really happened is he's a kid in a struggling side which makes the bedding in and adapting period take longer.

Everyone who's got their knickers in a twist needs to calm the hell down.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 01, 2019, 01:36:43 AM
Some good points in here, especially from Kramer.

I'm disappointed in the sparse use of Kean too. 10 minutes at the end of the game isnt enough, he needs 30 minutes at least, in front of a midfield that can pass.

And it will have hurt his confidence to be played out of position in a LC game only to get hooked at half time.

Maybe he has been shit in training but we can only have an opinion on what we've seen, and he looks to have been poorly managed.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on November 01, 2019, 01:42:18 AM
I'm disappointed in the sparse use of Kean too. 10 minutes at the end of the game isnt enough, he needs 30 minutes at least, in front of a midfield that can pass.

In a stide struggling for form this is a difficult ask in reality. The lad is going to take time and needs the team to be firing. Relying on him when we're on a poor run only exacerbates the frustration and pressure.

The shit start to the season is on Silva and senior players, and that in turn sees us in this situation with Kean. Silva shoulders the issue, but not because of how he's used the lad as of yet.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Alanvideo on November 01, 2019, 01:55:09 AM


Everyone who's got their knickers in a twist needs to calm the hell down.
....................just for once ,can you make a point without telling everyone else what to think ?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 01, 2019, 01:55:36 AM
Precisely. It's a big culture change for the lad, in football and in life.

Twitter has been awash with "Silva has fucked this lad, he'll want to leave shouts" whereas all that's really happened is he's a kid in a struggling side which makes the bedding in and adapting period take longer.

Everyone who's got their knickers in a twist needs to calm the hell down.

All the more reason to not ask him to play a foreign position in a foreign formation. He's got enough to learn.

edit: though I see the catch-22 in your 2nd post that basically addresses the complexity in fixing this. Silva made his 6-feet under bed, and now Kean has to lay in it lol
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2019, 01:58:39 AM
Maybe, they are just not good enough and the decent ones are out on loan getting experience

Looks like gordon has a bit about him and is training with the first team, be interesting to see how that pans out
It is a little concerning about Silva's approach towards the younger players, can't remember the last time someone from the Everton Academy even made the bench since probably Morgan Feeney 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 01, 2019, 02:05:47 AM
Aside from Richarlison, who he knew from Watford, has anyone under the age of 21 gotten a fair look by Silva, or even made the bench?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2019, 02:55:32 AM
Youth thing is difficult because you do need to have a certain element of stability before introducing young players sensibly. Silva has never managed to achieve that here.

I would also say though that this thing about our academy comes up every so often and I have to say I agree with kramer0 massively. If the club is to progress we need pipelines of talent into the first team and elsewhere to provide players and revenue. PSV were fantastic at it which is why I'm quite surprised brands hasn't made sweeping changes just yet. Possibly in the pipeline, possibly he hasn't got the autonomy needed just yet.

Either way there is a bottleneck at the club and we need to fix it sooner rather than later because it's one area we can be better than the bigger clubs.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 01, 2019, 03:11:27 AM
Youth thing is difficult because you do need to have a certain element of stability before introducing young players sensibly. Silva has never managed to achieve that here.

I would also say though that this thing about our academy comes up every so often and I have to say I agree with kramer0 massively. If the club is to progress we need pipelines of talent into the first team and elsewhere to provide players and revenue. PSV were fantastic at it which is why I'm quite surprised brands hasn't made sweeping changes just yet. Possibly in the pipeline, possibly he hasn't got the autonomy needed just yet.

Either way there is a bottleneck at the club and we need to fix it sooner rather than later because it's one area we can be better than the bigger clubs.

Look at Chelsea, their academy pumps talent into the 1st team with regularity.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on November 01, 2019, 06:09:49 AM
....................just for once ,can you make a point without telling everyone else what to think ?

....................for you sweetheart, of course.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on November 01, 2019, 06:11:49 AM
All the more reason to not ask him to play a foreign position in a foreign formation. He's got enough to learn.

edit: though I see the catch-22 in your 2nd post that basically addresses the complexity in fixing this. Silva made his 6-feet under bed, and now Kean has to lay in it lol

Playing as a wide forward is a path well trodden by many a developing striker. It's generally accepted as the norm, and a way of developing a striker.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 01, 2019, 06:19:36 AM
Playing as a wide forward is a path well trodden by many a developing striker. It's generally accepted as the norm, and a way of developing a striker.

Absolutely. In a 433 not as a high up wide right midfielder in a 4231 where he's expected to come back all the time too.

In a proper front 3 it virtually doesn't matter who's where as they're cutting inside and making smart runs constantly. Hold up play is far less important because you have the forwards and likely the AM/CM up near the final 3rd at all times.

But if you HAVE to stick with 4231 then Kean should be left. He's not played wide right a single time since he's been at least 17. No idea before that.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2019, 06:27:04 AM
Like I say hold my hands up I've been calling for him to start on the right.

I was disappointed he didn't switch it to rich wobes theo with Kean up top, and I have to agree that I'm very disappointed that we haven't found a way to bring through one of the most exciting talents in Europe yet.

I think its DCL's shirt again now tbh. No matter how much he fucks with it he ends up going back to Calvert-Lewin and asking him to pull his tripe out which he does. Added goals this year too so with Richarlison back on the left it's sub appearances for Keano imo.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on November 01, 2019, 06:36:27 AM
But if you HAVE to stick with 4231 then Kean should be left. He's not played wide right a single time since he's been at least 17. No idea before that.

Can absolutely guarantee it had been worked on in training though.

Ideally it would be a front 3 that have little defensive responsibility, and that probably is what Silva wants to get to. But again, a fragile team low on confidence... that isn't going to be the case.

 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on November 01, 2019, 09:56:04 AM
Absolutely. In a 433 not as a high up wide right midfielder in a 4231 where he's expected to come back all the time too.

In a proper front 3 it virtually doesn't matter who's where as they're cutting inside and making smart runs constantly. Hold up play is far less important because you have the forwards and likely the AM/CM up near the final 3rd at all times.

But if you HAVE to stick with 4231 then Kean should be left. He's not played wide right a single time since he's been at least 17. No idea before that.


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Get over this 433 with a tight front 3 it isnít happening. Iwobi is our best performing player at the minute whatís he done to deserve being dropped. And whoís this middle 3? Even with Gomes, Davies and Delph/shniderine you havenít got the box to box players that system needs. A lot of changes for a player who hasnít actually shown anything for us yet.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Alanvideo on November 01, 2019, 02:10:09 PM
....................for you sweetheart, of course.
.................. :hug:
Title: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 01, 2019, 06:02:52 PM
Get over this 433 with a tight front 3 it isn't happening. Iwobi is our best performing player at the minute what's he done to deserve being dropped. And who's this middle 3? Even with Gomes, Davies and Delph/shniderine you haven't got the box to box players that system needs. A lot of changes for a player who hasn't actually shown anything for us yet.

I don't want to get over it. We have the players, though apparently Marco doesn't think so (he's wrong). Preferred formation my foot.

And who said anything about not playing Iwobi? He's the CM in the midfield.

Right, he hasn't shown us anything in his 10-15 minute cameos when we're down 2 goals, or has been played out of position. Chelsea loses Hazard, can't replace him due to the transfer ban, slots Abraham in and he scores 8 goals in 10 games. He's 22 and is more comfortable playing English football, of course.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on November 04, 2019, 09:08:01 PM
I can well imagine Moise Kean instructing his agent to look for a loan move away in January to get some playing time.

If he's 4th choice for the team sitting 4th bottom of the league who have only scored 11 goals so far then it's waste of time him continuing the same way until the summer.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dunkster on November 04, 2019, 09:12:22 PM
He'd have got more minutes staying at juve. Wonder what bollocks we fed him to get him to move here?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 04, 2019, 09:13:28 PM
4th choice now. Dreadful signing by brands because we desperately needed a starter in the short term and heís now 4th choice and we only actually have 3 strikers
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on November 04, 2019, 09:15:10 PM
4th choice now. Dreadful signing by brands because we desperately needed a starter in the short term and heís now 4th choice and we only actually have 3 strikers

Agree. This is the problem with DoF's. Manager and DoF need to be coming to a consensus on signings. We have needed to replace Lukaku with a ready to go striker for a long time
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dunkster on November 04, 2019, 09:16:14 PM
Not sure it was a dreadful signing, just needed to be one of two signings. Brands probably assumed he'd have fucked off niasse, sandro and tosun.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on November 04, 2019, 09:20:02 PM
4th choice now. Dreadful signing by brands because we desperately needed a starter in the short term and heís now 4th choice and we only actually have 3 strikers

I know he's not technically 4th choice it's just that Silva's tactics late on yesterday against 10 men was just to launch cross after cross into the box so DCL and Tosun were the obvious subs. He's more joint 3rd.

Either way he's not getting a game and it's tough on the lad.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 04, 2019, 09:20:28 PM
Dreadful signing is a tad harsh.

More like victim of circumstance. I actually do hope he goes somewhere else so I can watch him play again.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dunkster on November 04, 2019, 09:21:24 PM
Don't think silva has a single clue what's best up front. Seems more confused with each game.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on November 04, 2019, 09:21:30 PM
Not sure it was a dreadful signing, just needed to be one of two signings. Brands probably assumed he'd have fucked off niasse, sandro and tosun.

What difference does that make?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 04, 2019, 09:23:21 PM
Not sure it was a dreadful signing, just needed to be one of two signings. Brands probably assumed he'd have fucked off niasse, sandro and tosun.

I think heís a decent long term bet (though itís probably debatable if heíll be here long term as heíll want more minutes now) but in terms of what we needed and given that we only got 1 striker it looks like a terrible decision for the short term
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 04, 2019, 09:25:54 PM
Needs his ex-manager: Allegri

Him and Ten Hag tipped for the Bayern Munich post
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dunkster on November 04, 2019, 09:29:01 PM
What difference does that make?

Probably not much with fucking some players off out through the door. I'm assuming brands never went for a second striker. I do think it's harsh to say dreadful signing.
I think brands probably felt if youth is the way forwards that one of Richarlson, dcl or kean would/could lead the line.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on November 04, 2019, 09:30:09 PM
He'll hopefully get more minutes now. Give himself a chance to settle into the team and develop.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dunkster on November 04, 2019, 09:31:07 PM
I'm not even sure having lukaku back would bring us much joy at the moment, for me as much blame lies with attacking midfielders who create fuck all for any striker.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 04, 2019, 09:31:36 PM
Needs his ex-manager: Allegri

Him and Ten Hag tipped for the Bayern Munich post

That was my choice if we HAVE to sack Silva now; Allegri with Rooney as asst.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 04, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
That was my choice if we HAVE to sack Silva now; Allegri with Rooney as asst.


Clash of accents there 😁
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 04, 2019, 10:31:52 PM

Clash of accents there 😁

Not like anyone can understand Silva as it stands today 😂
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 04, 2019, 10:51:04 PM
Obviously I donít want us to abandon the policy of signing young talent but this is an unforgiving league and they have to be ready. Likewise, you canít just have a team on 21 year olds with great potential - weíd get relegated.

Lots on here were opposed to us signing anyone over 25, which I get, but if we werenít willing go all in on someone like Haller, then we needed a senior striker like Mandzukic.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 04, 2019, 11:08:20 PM
Obviously I donít want us to abandon the policy of signing young talent but this is an unforgiving league and they have to be ready. Likewise, you canít just have a team on 21 year olds with great potential - weíd get relegated.

Lots on here were opposed to us signing anyone over 25, which I get, but if we werenít willing go all in on someone like Haller, then we needed a senior striker like Mandzukic.


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Yeah but itís not just here or elsewhere on the interwebz. Brands is on record as saying only under 25s. Whether they stick to that or not remains to be seen but given how itís worked out this year, I wouldnít be surprised if they rethought that strategy.

Besides, when did a playerís prime not be 27-30? Did I miss a memo?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 04, 2019, 11:15:01 PM
Allegri with Rooney: you got it, Yankee

Striker under 25? Dembele or Morelos

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dunkster on November 04, 2019, 11:27:47 PM
He doesn't get enough chances in front of goal to form a proper opinion tbh. Salah nor aguero would get a sniff with our team.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 04, 2019, 11:45:23 PM
Allegri with Rooney: you got it, Yankee

Striker under 25? Dembele or Morelos
Heís still raw, Iím not sure heís even enough, and in this market heíd cost £20m+ so probably not worth the gamble...but our fans would love Morelos.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on November 05, 2019, 12:05:32 AM
Yeah but it's not just here or elsewhere on the interwebz. Brands is on record as saying only under 25s. Whether they stick to that or not remains to be seen but given how it's worked out this year, I wouldn't be surprised if they rethought that strategy.

Besides, when did a player's prime not be 27-30? Did I miss a memo?
Considering we signed Delph 29, Gomes 26, Sidebe 27 and Lossl 30 in the last window I don't know how much truth there is in what he said? I think that's the ideal scenario, but basically they don't care if its the right deal, which is right.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 05, 2019, 12:14:11 AM
Considering we signed Delph 29, Gomes 26, Sidebe 27 and Lossl 30 in the last window I don't know how much truth there is in what he said? I think that's the ideal scenario, but basically they don't care if its the right deal, which is right.

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fair play, Gomes I chalk up as bringing back a well-liked player, Sidibe I knew about (though it is a loan), and I forgot Delph & Lossl were on the team.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on November 05, 2019, 09:20:26 AM
I can well imagine Moise Kean instructing his agent to look for a loan move away in January to get some playing time.

If he's 4th choice for the team sitting 4th bottom of the league who have only scored 11 goals so far then it's waste of time him continuing the same way until the summer.

Or... he accepts that he's a 19 year old in a new leage and a new country and is knuckling down hard in training top adapt to the changes and improve, as well as getting used to the pace of the game.

All this talk of "let's give him time" has gone out the window I see.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2019, 03:00:42 PM
He won't adapt if he doesn't play.

I get they we can make lots of assumptions on either side, and it's Lookman all over again basically, but if he doesn't play he doesn't adapt, he doesn't improve and he doesn't help the side.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on November 05, 2019, 03:56:39 PM
Or... he accepts that he's a 19 year old in a new leage and a new country and is knuckling down hard in training top adapt to the changes and improve, as well as getting used to the pace of the game.

All this talk of "let's give him time" has gone out the window I see.

I'm all for giving him time. Remains to be seen if the lad feels the same if things don't change.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on November 05, 2019, 04:33:34 PM
He was getting more time off the bench for Juventus than he has been here
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 05, 2019, 05:20:29 PM
He'll get his chance.

He's only 19, he arrived here only playing a dozen games for Juve and bagging just a few goals for them, the same with Verona. They way some are banging on is as if we've signed another "Torres for Chelsea" and he's flopped.

The minute we start throwing him on for 90 minutes and it doesn't go well for him then he gets it in the neck, as does Silva/Brands/Moshiri

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on November 05, 2019, 05:27:26 PM
He was getting more time off the bench for Juventus than he has been here

He wasnít

He had hardly featured for them at this stage of the season and played thirteen league games in total.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on November 05, 2019, 05:29:18 PM
Silva is clearly saving the lad until the Derby, he will be unleashed and terrorise de reds defence.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on November 05, 2019, 05:34:39 PM
Or... he accepts that he's a 19 year old in a new leage and a new country and is knuckling down hard in training top adapt to the changes and improve, as well as getting used to the pace of the game.

All this talk of "let's give him time" has gone out the window I see.

The lad said his aim was to score 7 goals this season.

Tells you he himself wasnít expected to smash it this season.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on November 05, 2019, 05:36:03 PM
I'm not overly worried as he should get plenty of minutes over the next couple of months given how close-knit the fixtures are.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on November 05, 2019, 05:36:59 PM
Hopefully he'll get plenty of minutes in December
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 05, 2019, 06:36:10 PM
He'll get his chance.

He's only 19, he arrived here only playing a dozen games for Juve and bagging just a few goals for them, the same with Verona. They way some are banging on is as if we've signed another "Torres for Chelsea" and he's flopped.

The minute we start throwing him on for 90 minutes and it doesn't go well for him then he gets it in the neck, as does Silva/Brands/Moshiri

Letís not trivialize what he did at Juve.

6 goals in 533 minutes, or if youíd prefer, 1 goal every 89 minutes.

Serie A isnít the MLS, or a 2nd tier French league. Do we have anyone who averaged a goal/game last year?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on November 05, 2019, 06:49:37 PM
Let’s not trivialize what he did at Juve.

6 goals in 533 minutes, or if you’d prefer, 1 goal every 89 minutes.

Serie A isn’t the MLS, or a 2nd tier French league. Do we have anyone who averaged a goal/game last year?

I'd argue coming that on with 20 minutes to go for Juventus is a lot easier than playing for Everton.

That record was never going to translate across straight away.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 05, 2019, 06:54:47 PM
I'd argue coming that on with 20 minutes to go for Juventus is a lot easier than playing for Everton.

That record was never going to translate across straight away.

And would be a great argument if he hadnít scored 4 goals as a starter.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on November 05, 2019, 06:58:54 PM
And would be a great argument if he hadn’t scored 4 goals as a starter.

Still, it's a lot easier and the point still stands.

He said himself his aim was to score 7 goals this season.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 05, 2019, 07:02:16 PM
Still, it's a lot easier and the point still stands.

He said himself his aim was to score 7 goals this season.

Well I donít know about easier or the point standing but that doesnít matter; just our opinions.

But donít get me wrong, I agree with you; Iíve viewed and said that his prediction re: 7 goals demonstrated humility, realism, and yet still a desire to impress and win over his new fans.

It also shows he thought heíd play lol
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on November 05, 2019, 07:23:40 PM
He wasn't

He had hardly featured for them at this stage of the season and played thirteen league games in total.

Sorry, I meant at the tail end of last year when he was starting to get game time.

He was involved in 11 of their last 12 games, missing one due to injury, starting five of them.

He ended the season in good form so must be quite frustrated to come here and see less pitch time
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 05, 2019, 07:54:41 PM
Not many 19 year olds play up top in the PL on the reg. Heís probs getting less time than expected due to us never having a comfortable lead or the manager feeling secure in his job.

But I wouldnít have thought heíd have been expecting to have started 50% of games this far. As an upper level 19yr old youíd probably expect something like 15 starts and as many sub appearances over the season and be VERY happy with that amount of mins.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 05, 2019, 08:00:47 PM
 :bonk:

If only United had taken the same stance with Ronaldo and fucked him off as he was only mainly on the bench in the first 4 months of his career there  :wanker:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 05, 2019, 08:25:12 PM
Not many 19 year olds play up top in the PL on the reg. Heís probs getting less time than expected due to us never having a comfortable lead or the manager feeling secure in his job.

But I wouldnít have thought heíd have been expecting to have started 50% of games this far. As an upper level 19yr old youíd probably expect something like 15 starts and as many sub appearances over the season and be VERY happy with that amount of mins.

Fair play, and as someone else said, with the festive season coming up and 28 matches to go, he will hopefully get his time as the season goes on. I just hope itís not at right wing 😂
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Crackling on November 06, 2019, 12:20:21 AM
Pulisic has been playing first team football in a less physically demanding position for 3 seasons, yet has only just started to get decent minutes at Chelsea.
It's going to take Kean time to adapt.
No rush for me. Damage a young striker's confidence in his ability to produce on the pitch and he may never make it. Silva is doing the right thing.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 06, 2019, 12:34:03 AM
Pulisic has been playing first team football in a less physically demanding position for 3 seasons, yet has only just started to get decent minutes at Chelsea.
It's going to take Kean time to adapt.
No rush for me. Damage a young striker's confidence in his ability to produce on the pitch and he may never make it. Silva is doing the right thing.

Pretty solid observation. Though that means just as we get him to come into his own (aka Dortmund), his contract will be up and weíll sell him to BarÁa (aka Chelsea). 😂
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on November 06, 2019, 12:36:54 AM
As I keep saying, he has talent, but he will flop. See De Bruyne and Salah at Chelsea and Gnabry at WBA. It was all a bit too early for them or the league didnt suit them at that time.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 06, 2019, 12:37:27 AM
As I keep saying, he has talent, but he will flop. See De Bruyne and Salah at Chelsea and Gnabry at WBA. It was all a bit too early for them or the league didnt suit them at that time.

Oh great.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2019, 12:40:52 AM
Hopefully he'll get plenty of minutes in December
Can he play centre midfield


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on November 06, 2019, 12:45:46 AM
Oh great.



Hasn't scored yet.

Doesnt play.

Isnt a CF.

Why did we buy him?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 06, 2019, 12:47:35 AM
Hasn't scored yet.

Doesnt play.

Isnt a CF.

Why did we buy him?

Why dont you get an actual grip?

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on November 06, 2019, 12:50:05 AM
Why dont you get an actual grip?



Sounds like someone else needs to get a grip and calm down.

Also, please answer my question.

Is he a  CF, why hasn't he scored and why isnt be playing?

For £30m, that represents to me a flop. Just the same way Salah and KDB were at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 06, 2019, 12:52:49 AM
Sounds like someone else needs to get a grip and calm down.

Also, please answer my question.

Is he a  CF, why hasn't he scored and why isnt be playing?

For £30m, that represents to me a flop. Just the same way Salah and KDB were at Chelsea.

Im very calm. Just fed up of people like you to be honest.

He is 19....nineteen. Been in a new country less than 6 months. Entered a fucked up team struggling with injuries, with changing tactics, and with concerns over the manager. Again, he is 19...he doesnt speak English and i assume is learning that too.

Why rush him into the team? Let him settle in the city/country first and find his feet.

I think you just like to pop on here every few weeks and be a contrary dick head. SO not sure what the point in interacting is.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on November 06, 2019, 01:07:55 AM
Im very calm. Just fed up of people like you to be honest.

He is 19....nineteen. Been in a new country less than 6 months. Entered a fucked up team struggling with injuries, with changing tactics, and with concerns over the manager. Again, he is 19...he doesnt speak English and i assume is learning that too.

Why rush him into the team? Let him settle in the city/country first and find his feet.

I think you just like to pop on here every few weeks and be a contrary dick head. SO not sure what the point in interacting is.

Seen that Martinelli at Arsenal? Cost a fraction of the price and is even younger.

What about the Brazilian forward at Real Madrid?

People dont like sour grapes being thrown onto the one thing they have hope in. In this case Kean.

I'm certain he'll do well elsewhere but if he cant get in our team right now....

We need to sign someone aged minimum 24.

I mean every word I say. Questioning a player isnt blasephmy even if it might be for others
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 06, 2019, 01:10:19 AM
Ok Thomas.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 06, 2019, 01:13:13 AM
Sounds like someone else needs to get a grip and calm down.

Also, please answer my question.

Is he a  CF, why hasn't he scored and why isnt be playing?

For £30m, that represents to me a flop. Just the same way Salah and KDB were at Chelsea.

If we ditched everyone who hasn't scored in 350 minutes, we couldn't field a team of XI.

Also, don't be stupid.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on November 06, 2019, 01:16:06 AM
Ok Thomas.

Ok Audrey...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2019, 03:16:08 AM
As I keep saying, he has talent, but he will flop. See De Bruyne and Salah at Chelsea and Gnabry at WBA. It was all a bit too early for them or the league didnt suit them at that time.

This gives me so much heart, he's going to be fine folks.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 06, 2019, 03:27:55 AM
Where does Kean settle and find his feet, Audrey, if not the first XI?

Substitute? U23's? U18's? Loan to Preston?

   
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 06, 2019, 03:35:08 AM
Hahahaha whatís happening ffs 😆
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 06, 2019, 03:37:23 AM
This gives me so much heart, he's going to be fine folks.

I think you might be right. But to be sure I think Iíll have to cross reference it with Leon Osmans autobiography and also somehow include Phil Neville in my frame of reference too.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 06, 2019, 03:38:12 AM
"The Kean Predicament"

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 06, 2019, 04:05:45 AM
Where does Kean settle and find his feet, Audrey, if not the first XI?

Substitute? U23's? U18's? Loan to Preston?

   

Good one.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 06, 2019, 04:08:16 AM
Good question

Bad answer
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 06, 2019, 04:42:27 AM
Where does Kean settle and find his feet, Audrey, if not the first XI?

Substitute? U23's? U18's? Loan to Preston?

 

well definitely not the U18s, I know that much
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ally2 on November 07, 2019, 07:44:36 PM
To me it's perfectly valid to question why we bought him because somebody more established might have been a better choice. However I'm still 100% behind this because players of this age and potential are the best that we can do, and in happy with that risk if it is one. What I don't want is successive players like this coming here and us ruining their development. This is something we seem to be quite good at.  The number of successes we've had is small. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 07, 2019, 08:16:01 PM
To me it's perfectly valid to question why we bought him because somebody more established might have been a better choice. However I'm still 100% behind this because players of this age and potential are the best that we can do, and in happy with that risk if it is one. What I don't want is successive players like this coming here and us ruining their development. This is something we seem to be quite good at.  The number of successes we've had is small.

Worse, what if the way he's been introduced is actually a detriment to future youth talent even wanting to come here in the first place? You know, the perception that we're not a good career stop, etc?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on November 07, 2019, 08:54:11 PM
we obviously bought him for the future of the team and club going forward...Ö.

don't forget we bought him in the summer when expectations were "challenging for European Places"...Ö.if we'd of got off to start everyone anticipated he would of been a regular in the first team i'm certain of it...

it's easy to state the obvious after it has happened ie "he hasn't scored yet"...ask carra, Neville, mcmanamon etc they get paid fortunes for it....

the lad needs to settle in.....from what I've seen so far he's good enough for the first team....he's strong, pacey, holds the ball up well, brings people into play, can play with his back to goal, not scared to try a shot....at 19 couldn't ask for more....DCL wasn't that good at his age...tosun is not that good now....niasse well it's niasseÖ..

Unfortunately we've got a manager under pressure whose scared to give youth a chance..... in case it lets him down!!!

what he needs is chances created for him..which we don't do for any of our strikers in the main...

once he gets a goal this lads confidence will fly...i'm sure of it....
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 07, 2019, 09:05:59 PM
we obviously bought him for the future of the team and club going forward...Ö.

don't forget we bought him in the summer when expectations were "challenging for European Places"...Ö.if we'd of got off to start everyone anticipated he would of been a regular in the first team i'm certain of it...

it's easy to state the obvious after it has happened ie "he hasn't scored yet"...ask carra, Neville, mcmanamon etc they get paid fortunes for it....

the lad needs to settle in.....from what I've seen so far he's good enough for the first team....he's strong, pacey, holds the ball up well, brings people into play, can play with his back to goal, not scared to try a shot....at 19 couldn't ask for more....DCL wasn't that good at his age...tosun is not that good now....niasse well it's niasseÖ..

Unfortunately we've got a manager under pressure whose scared to give youth a chance..... in case it lets him down!!!

what he needs is chances created for him..which we don't do for any of our strikers in the main...

once he gets a goal this lads confidence will fly...i'm sure of it....

With 9 matches between 4 Dec-1 Jan, we'll truly get to see what Silva (or the next guy) thinks of him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on November 10, 2019, 01:49:58 AM
Apparently dropped for 'tactical resons'... Sounds like there's been an issue there, either poor training or poor attitude / argument with Silva over not starting.

Hope this doesn't end up another Lookman situation
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kramer0 on November 10, 2019, 01:52:14 AM
Ah, the Lookman treatment.

This should end well.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on November 10, 2019, 02:12:07 AM
One day youíll realise lookman wasnít that good. Mad how this is still getting brought up.

As for kean, silva said he understands why heís not getting games and is working hard to adapt.

Nothing about any kind of rift or attitude problems.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: toffee_scot on November 10, 2019, 02:15:15 AM
Weird though that the £25m Italian international was dropped and Anthony Gordon took his place on the bench.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 10, 2019, 02:18:39 AM
Form
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 10, 2019, 02:35:10 AM
Ripping up the bundesliga ain't he
Ah, the Lookman treatment.

This should end well.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Simon Paul on November 10, 2019, 02:43:55 AM
Ripping up the bundesliga ain't he

not really sure we want a reputation for ruining expensive potential though
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 10, 2019, 02:46:43 AM
not really sure we want a reputation for ruining expensive potential though
Yeah true, let's give the lad a chance to adapt tho
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on November 10, 2019, 02:48:03 AM
One day youíll realise lookman wasnít that good. Mad how this is still getting brought up.

As for kean, silva said he understands why heís not getting games and is working hard to adapt.

Nothing about any kind of rift or attitude problems.

I didn't mean that I thought Lookman was ruined by Silva, I actually think he wasn't good enough / didn't have the right attitude.  I really meant a young player not training properly or causing problems when not playing instead of knuckling down and proving his worth
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 10, 2019, 02:49:59 AM
He's still not shown anything to suggest he's ready to start.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Simon Paul on November 10, 2019, 02:51:58 AM
He's still not shown anything to suggest he's ready to start.

When is he supposed to have done that?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on November 10, 2019, 02:53:43 AM
I hope I'm wrong, but I think there might be some substance in those rumours that he's going back to Italy in January

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 10, 2019, 02:56:07 AM
The Vlasic treatment

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 10, 2019, 03:07:38 AM
When is he supposed to have done that?
In training initially. But his performance against Sheff Utd was anonymous, likewise his half against Watford.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on November 10, 2019, 03:33:38 AM
Seems supportive of the guys and the win on his Instagram story. 19 year old kids more likely to spit his dummy out but doesn't seem to be doing so. Hopefully a learning step. I think 1 goal could completely change him (and being played up front for more than 10 mins at a time obviously!)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 10, 2019, 03:37:20 AM
Seems supportive of the guys and the win on his Instagram story. 19 year old kids more likely to spit his dummy out but doesn't seem to be doing so. Hopefully a learning step. I think 1 goal could completely change him (and being played up front for more than 10 mins at a time obviously!)
I think a lot of them employ a PR rep to use their Instagram account.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 10, 2019, 05:17:44 AM
I think a lot of them employ a PR rep to use their Instagram account.

While undoubtedly true, it probably isn't the case for 19-year-old Kean. But who knows. We know he has the time!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 10, 2019, 07:17:04 PM
 Marco Silva confirmed Moise Kean was dropped for Everton's victory over Southampton for tactical reasons.

The 19-year-old forward, signed from Juventus in a £27m summer deal, made the trip to the South Coast but was not included in the matchday squad.

Anthony Gordon, who is yet to feature for the senior side under Silva , was preferred as an attacking option on the bench alongside Alex Iwobi and Dominic Calvert-Lewin .

"[A] decision, just decision," Silva replied when asked about the move to leave out Kean .

When pressed further on whether it was for tactical reasons, the manager replied: "Yeah. [His reaction was] really good. For sure, he will react stronger the next training sessions when he will be with us.
"Moise is working really hard. He is a young boy with a very good quality as well, doing his best to adapt as fast as we can to a different football as well.

"He has all of my support and my staff and his team-mates to keep growing. For sure he will do that and in some weeks and some months you will see Moise in a better level for sure."
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 10, 2019, 07:40:34 PM
Looking more and more like a Brands signing that Silva just doesnít rate.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on November 10, 2019, 07:43:43 PM
Or a 19 year old kid is still trying to settle into a new country and life. It doesnít come easy for every person. Howís his English even?


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 10, 2019, 07:53:43 PM
Or a 19 year old kid is still trying to settle into a new country and life. It doesn't come easy for every person. How's his English even?


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Which would be fine if we were City and we had the time to let him develop, and could slowly integrate him into the team.

We paid £27m for a player who canít even get on the bench. Silvaís fighting for his job, why would he have any interest in giving game time to a player that might not come good next season or two?

Iím not getting on the kidís back, itís not his fault. It just wasnít a fit for purpose signing.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on November 10, 2019, 07:58:06 PM
Which would be fine if we were City and we had the time to let him develop, and could slowly integrate him into the team.

We paid £27m for a player who can't even get on the bench. Silva's fighting for his job, why would he have any interest in giving game time to a player that might not come good next season or two?

I'm not getting on the kid's back, it's not his fault. It just wasn't a fit for purpose signing.


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Iím happy with the signing. Heís a good signing and will come good once heís settled in. We should have also signed a more proven striker as well. Thatís the only mistake.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 10, 2019, 08:23:36 PM
Don't like it.  He was good enough to get minutes for Juve, he's more than good enough to play for us.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 10, 2019, 08:25:11 PM
Iím happy with the signing. Heís a good signing and will come good once heís settled in. We should have also signed a more proven striker as well. Thatís the only mistake.


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Exactly this. It's frickin matchday 12 lol. We don't know anything, about what's in Silva's head, Brands's head, if they agree, or don't. He was left out of Juve's squad as late as matchday 18 last year so go ask Allegri if he hated him and that's why.

Through 12 games last year he played this many minutes:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on November 10, 2019, 09:58:58 PM
Don't like it.  He was good enough to get minutes for Juve, he's more than good enough to play for us.
It sometimes takes time to bed into a new country. Iíve done it three times and it was still tough for me even though I was an adult and had a secure place to move to each time.

For a 19 year old who probably speaks little English and in a tougher league than Juve playing for an average team, it will take time. Heís only been with us 4 months or so. Heíll come good but it will take some time I think.




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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bally on November 11, 2019, 01:06:35 AM
As I keep saying, he has talent, but he will flop. See De Bruyne and Salah at Chelsea and Gnabry at WBA. It was all a bit too early for them or the league didnt suit them at that time.
Love it when you come back and spout shite...

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 11, 2019, 03:01:01 AM
 
The Vlasic treatment



:Kean:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 11, 2019, 03:19:22 PM
?!

"On me 'ead, Aud"
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on November 11, 2019, 07:14:38 PM
Iím happy with the signing. Heís a good signing and will come good once heís settled in. We should have also signed a more proven striker as well. Thatís the only mistake.


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Agreed - we really missed a trick not getting Llorente for a season or two, allowing Kean and DCL more time to develop.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 12, 2019, 03:41:10 AM
Which would be fine if we were City and we had the time to let him develop, and could slowly integrate him into the team.

We paid £27m for a player who canít even get on the bench. Silvaís fighting for his job, why would he have any interest in giving game time to a player that might not come good next season or two?

Iím not getting on the kidís back, itís not his fault. It just wasnít a fit for purpose signing.


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I think spotting a young talent at a potentially bargain price is always fit for purpose. Whether another should be added is up for debate. I think although we donít have a 20 goal a season man up front we have goals across the front six enough to take off some burden and letís see what this kid has when we are in form and pressure is relieved due to table position.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 12, 2019, 06:16:40 AM
Don't like it.  He was good enough to get minutes for Juve, he's more than good enough to play for us.
Its much easier to come on for the last 15 minutes at Juve when they are 4-0 up away at Cagliari, than a struggling Everton side who need points on the board. If we had of started stronger im certain we would of seen more of him. I expect him to feature a lot through December/January.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 12, 2019, 07:20:49 AM
Its much easier to come on for the last 15 minutes at Juve when they are 4-0 up away at Cagliari, than a struggling Everton side who need points on the board. If we had of started stronger im certain we would of seen more of him. I expect him to feature a lot through December/January.

You do know that he scored 4 of his 6 goals while starting for Juve, right?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2019, 08:39:25 AM
You do know that he scored 4 of his 6 goals while starting for Juve, right?

It's still v different context to ourselves where we've rarely been in settled enough form where you coukd imagine a manager putting a teenage striker on.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GLewis on November 12, 2019, 12:49:06 PM
Echo says he was late for a team meeting for the 2nd time this season so was dropped.

Also noted that Has happened with Italy.

Does say that heís apologised to management and players and the matter is considered dealt with.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GLewis on November 12, 2019, 12:50:30 PM
It's still v different context to ourselves where we've rarely been in settled enough form where you coukd imagine a manager putting a teenage striker on.

When youíre only a 7/8th level team the variables in youíre performance are much bigger and you canít rely on the rest of the team to carry any one players bad games.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on November 12, 2019, 02:03:43 PM
Echo says he was late for a team meeting for the 2nd time this season so was dropped.

Also noted that Has happened with Italy.

Does say that heís apologised to management and players and the matter is considered dealt with.

Hmmm I donít like that myself.

Hopefully he can get that type of thing sorted.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on November 12, 2019, 02:06:59 PM
Looking more and more like a Brands signing that Silva just doesnít rate.

Looking more and more like some are desperate for a narrative to fit an agenda.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 12, 2019, 02:15:50 PM
He seems like a Brand's signing who will develop with a sell on premium rather than the solution to our striker problems. I think he's a talent who will come good but it's a lot of pressure on a 19 year old to expect more at this stage. He's probably got more going on than just football.. Adjusting to our language and culture.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TSGun on November 12, 2019, 02:27:51 PM
He's 19, no matter what divisive reasons there are to discuss his situation surely a little time can be afforded.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on November 12, 2019, 02:32:23 PM
Teenagers eh, lazy shits the lot of them.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 12, 2019, 02:40:46 PM
Looking more and more like some are desperate for a narrative to fit an agenda.
No agenda, just canít imagine Silva is too pleased.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TSGun on November 12, 2019, 02:42:04 PM
Teenagers eh, lazy shits the lot of them.
Whatever happened to youthful exuberance? Just another fallacy.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on November 12, 2019, 02:52:50 PM
Looking forward to Inter signing him for £20m in January, with us bringing Shane Long in to run the channels for David Moyes' barmy army.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 12, 2019, 04:54:12 PM
You do know that he scored 4 of his 6 goals while starting for Juve, right?
Okay then, you do realise that a team walking a league like Juventus can afford to bed in a young player up top as they will still likely win the games regardless? Is that a better analogy for you?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ally2 on November 12, 2019, 06:41:22 PM
Echo says he was late for a team meeting for the 2nd time this season so was dropped.

Also noted that Has happened with Italy.

Does say that heís apologised to management and players and the matter is considered dealt with.

Graeme Souness likes this
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on November 12, 2019, 06:50:00 PM
Echo says he was late for a team meeting for the 2nd time this season so was dropped.

Also noted that Has happened with Italy.

Does say that heís apologised to management and players and the matter is considered dealt with.

Teenager in unreliable timekeeping shocker.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Tinga on November 12, 2019, 07:07:32 PM
So was Souness right then?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on November 12, 2019, 07:09:58 PM
Souness was right eh
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2019, 07:10:29 PM
So was Souness right then?

He said Juve sold him because of his attitude.

Dya think we should sell him?

Dya think this proves it?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on November 12, 2019, 07:13:42 PM
Teenager in unreliable timekeeping shocker.

Thereís no excuse for being late imo.

Heís 19 not 12. Shows a lack of discipline at the very least but hopefully we can just put it down to immaturity.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 12, 2019, 07:14:34 PM
So was Souness right then?
:Kean:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2019, 07:24:12 PM
Kante gets fined for being late all the time.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on November 12, 2019, 07:27:07 PM
I was late for work on Monday and again this morning, shady twat me
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on November 12, 2019, 07:28:06 PM
I was late for work on Monday and again this morning, shady twat me

I've done nothing for the last two days.

My nickname at work should be Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on November 12, 2019, 07:32:54 PM
Thereís no excuse for being late imo.

Heís 19 not 12. Shows a lack of discipline at the very least but hopefully we can just put it down to immaturity.

He seems to have a problem with time keeping. It shouldn't be that hard really. Just get up earlier.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: bigl1cks on November 12, 2019, 07:36:52 PM
More worrying than the timekeeping is the fact he looks like he canít control a ball.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 12, 2019, 07:37:13 PM
Okay then, you do realise that a team walking a league like Juventus can afford to bed in a young player up top as they will still likely win the games regardless? Is that a better analogy for you?

Now that you moved the goalposts after being proven wrong with facts, yes it's a much better analogy, thanks.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 12, 2019, 07:59:09 PM
Kante gets fined for being late all the time.

Souness likes this common denominator.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 12, 2019, 08:00:22 PM
More worrying than the timekeeping is the fact he looks like he canít control a ball.


Really?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on November 12, 2019, 08:13:00 PM
He's a young player who's a bit lax with his timekeeping. It needs to be addressed with him, and standards of behaviour need to be adhered to for the team to function properly, but it's also worth keeping it in perspective as a relatively small indiscretion. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2019, 08:31:06 PM
Imagine being late to work, bet he microwaves fish at finch farm as well the little bastard
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 12, 2019, 08:32:17 PM
Imagine being late to work, bet he microwaves fish at finch farm as well the little bastard

LOL! Fuck me if that isnít the worst thing you can do in an office.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on November 12, 2019, 08:35:14 PM
Imagine being late to work, bet he microwaves fish at finch farm as well the little bastard

The worst sort of person that
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on November 12, 2019, 08:48:25 PM
As I have said, he wont settle and will flop.

We needed.to sign an experienced centre forward instead.

This guy cant even play CF. If he could Juve wouldn't have sold him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 12, 2019, 08:51:19 PM
Now that you moved the goalposts after being proven wrong with facts, yes it's a much better analogy, thanks.

Fucking hell lad. This is just pedantic.

Chill your beans.

ĎProven wrong with factsí. Manís just giving perspective. Poor use of jarring sarcasm too.

Letís keep it friendly at least eh.

With regard to retiring on
Merseyside I can highly recommend Jason Street in Everton Valley - a mile from Goodison and itíll give you a slice of life in the city.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 12, 2019, 08:53:49 PM
As I have said, he wont settle and will flop.

We needed.to sign an experienced centre forward instead.

This guy cant even play CF. If he could Juve wouldn't have sold him.

Nonsense. Clubs donít only sell players who canít play. Thereís much more to a sale than that.

You may guess that he wonít settle and flop. You have no more insight than the rest of us. If your basing this on his playing appearances for EFC and this bulllshit in the news and being dropped you are micro-focusing instead of considering a wider picture.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 12, 2019, 08:56:30 PM
Fucking hell lad. This is just pedantic.

Chill your beans.

ĎProven wrong with factsí. Manís just giving perspective. Poor use of jarring sarcasm too.

Letís keep it friendly at least eh.

With regard to retiring ion
Merseyside I can highly recommend Jason Street in Everton Valley - a mile from Goodison and itíll give you a slice of life in the city.

Dude (to keep it American), this is just the norm for how I speak to my friends here, and weíre still besties when weíre done. I guess weíre aggressively sarcastic and sometimes this is where the English and Americans differ. Chillllll my man. Not attacking you in the least, and thank you for the advice on where to live. First beerís on me!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 12, 2019, 09:05:12 PM
Dude (to keep it American), this is just the norm for how I speak to my friends here, and weíre still besties when weíre done. I guess weíre aggressively sarcastic and sometimes this is where the English and Americans differ. Chillllll my man. Not attacking you in the least, and thank you for the advice on where to live. First beerís on me!  :cheers:

Iím well versed in sarcasm. Your post was pedantic. I didnít think you were attacking me. You didnít post in reply to me.

Letís not make assumptions either. Iím literally horizontal - chilling on a hospital bed taking it easy.

Iíve just read a lot of your posts recently and they land with me as being barbed and argumentative and a little pedantic.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2019, 09:14:46 PM
As I have said, he wont settle and will flop.

We needed.to sign an experienced centre forward instead.

This guy cant even play CF. If he could Juve wouldn't have sold him.

You say daft things at times but that last sentence takes the biscuit.

Suggest you take a look at the career of Samuel Eto'o
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2019, 09:29:26 PM
As I have said, he wont settle and will flop.

We needed.to sign an experienced centre forward instead.

This guy cant even play CF. If he could Juve wouldn't have sold him.

Should have signed leigh Griffiths smh
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on November 12, 2019, 09:36:53 PM
As I have said, he wont settle and will flop.

We needed.to sign an experienced centre forward instead.

This guy cant even play CF. If he could Juve wouldn't have sold him.

Remember that French guy Juve sold to Arsenal, couldn't play striker.

Name was Terry Henry or something, total flop.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 12, 2019, 09:44:53 PM
Iím well versed in sarcasm. Your post was pedantic. I didnít think you were attacking me. You didnít post in reply to me.

Letís not make assumptions either. Iím literally horizontal - chilling on a hospital bed taking it easy.

Iíve just read a lot of your posts recently and they land with me as being barbed and argumentative and a little pedantic.

Well, then apologies, I'll do my best to tone it down. It's really not my intent, it's just how I debate or discuss, even if argumentative. It's in my nature.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 12, 2019, 09:54:57 PM
Well, then apologies, I'll do my best to tone it down. It's really not my intent, it's just how I debate or discuss, even if argumentative. It's in my nature.

Thatís still an excuse - Ďitís in my natureí.  Absolves you of the responsibility of taking a different approach, although you have said youíll tone it down.

I just think thereís opportunity to debate and disagree (and take the piss when appropriate) whilst being mature about it as knowing when it works and when it doesnít.

PS - good to have fans outside of UK in conversation. Iíd be interested to know more about how you come to follow Everton and your view of the game here and why you got into that at all with the choose you have over there for US sports. Perhaps a good thread to start if you can be arsed
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 12, 2019, 09:58:09 PM
Thatís still an excuse - Ďitís in my natureí.  Absolves you of the responsibility of taking a different approach, although you have said youíll tone it down.

I just think thereís opportunity to debate and disagree (and take the piss when appropriate) whilst being mature about it as knowing when it works and when it doesnít.

PS - good to have fans outside of UK in conversation. Iíd be interested to know more about how you come to follow Everton and your view of the game here and why you got into that at all with the choose you have over there for US sports. Perhaps a good thread to start if you can be arsed

fair play, I am going to do my best, scout's honor. What makes it most difficult is that some of my Everton web participation is UK-based, some is US-based, so I have to remember which hat to put on where. When the only similarity is passion about our Club, I often forget.

That's a solid idea for a thread, not sure how popular it'll be, but a good one nonetheless! As you all likely know, it's really only been the past 5-6 years that football really took hold over here. Cheers, and apologies again for my brashness.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 12, 2019, 10:01:23 PM
You should PM each other about it rather than a thread.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 12, 2019, 10:01:48 PM
fair play, I am going to do my best, scout's honor. What makes it most difficult is that some of my Everton web participation is UK-based, some is US-based, so I have to remember which hat to put on where. When the only similarity is passion about our Club, I often forget.

That's a solid idea for a thread, not sure how popular it'll be, but a good one nonetheless! As you all likely know, it's really only been the past 5-6 years that football really took hold over here. Cheers, and apologies again for my brashness.

No apology required. I just reckon youíve got more to offer to the forum than the way some of your posts have landed with me at least. Humour and sarcasm are fine as long as they donít become the only style of response.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 12, 2019, 10:02:52 PM
You should PM each other about it rather than a thread.

Understanding our fan base outside the UK and a forum member sharing their story on why soccer and why Everton surely has forum interest.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 12, 2019, 10:04:16 PM
Understanding our fan base outside the UK and a forum member sharing their story on why soccer and why Everton surely has forum interest.

Had loads of threads on it before.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 12, 2019, 10:42:42 PM
Dude (to keep it American), this is just the norm for how I speak to my friends here, and weíre still besties when weíre done. I guess weíre aggressively sarcastic and sometimes this is where the English and Americans differ. Chillllll my man. Not attacking you in the least, and thank you for the advice on where to live. First beerís on me!  :cheers:

Woah, donít try and school a Brit on sarcasm, mate; itís sort of the only thing most of us are fairly well versed in!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 12, 2019, 10:49:12 PM
Woah, donít try and school a Brit on sarcasm, mate; itís sort of the only thing most of us are fairly well versed in!

That's what I thought! Masters of the craft, if you will. I come across much better in person  :bonk:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 12, 2019, 10:50:58 PM
As I have said, he wont settle and will flop.

We needed.to sign an experienced centre forward instead.

This guy cant even play CF. If he could Juve wouldn't have sold him.
Even if I did think this, Iíd want him to do well and  hope to be proven wrong.

You actively want him to fail so you can brag about being a football oracle.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on November 13, 2019, 12:26:42 AM
As I have said, he wont settle and will flop.

We needed.to sign an experienced centre forward instead.

This guy cant even play CF. If he could Juve wouldn't have sold him.

You constantly slag Evertonians off for liking Ďhard working, talentlessí players over flair and then when we sign a young, exciting player youíre declaring him a flop before his career has even got started.

Heís 19, in a different environment. Give him a chance - how many times did you drop out of uni? Two? Three? You were given a chance to actually complete your degree werenít you? Cut the lad some slack
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 13, 2019, 12:31:46 AM
Hate people who are regularly late for work, always the same people and usually the tip of the iceberg.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Simon Paul on November 13, 2019, 12:34:11 AM
Hate people who are regularly late for work, always the same people and usually the tip of the iceberg.
Always a good idea to buddy them up with a senior member of staff who can help them along the way.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on November 13, 2019, 12:34:58 AM
Hate people who are regularly late for work, always the same people and usually the tip of the iceberg.

Itís one of my big bears too. I hate it if Iím ever late. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 13, 2019, 12:45:13 AM
Always a good idea to buddy them up with a senior member of staff who can help them along the way.

Nah, it's a basic courtesy that should be learned by the time anyone is out of middle school.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on November 13, 2019, 12:45:58 AM
Nah, it's a basic courtesy that should be learned by the time anyone is out of middle school.

Itís a quality that is sadly lacking amongst many of our youth.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on November 13, 2019, 01:52:02 AM
Imagine the fume if this was Davies or DCL
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 13, 2019, 02:08:02 AM
Itís a quality that is sadly lacking amongst many of our youth.

Being late drives me up the wall, but it's hell on wheels to get anywhere on time with kids, and/or to get them to understand it is an essential part of the social contract.  It just is what it is.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on November 13, 2019, 02:30:39 AM
Being late drives me up the wall, but it's hell on wheels to get anywhere on time with kids, and/or to get them to understand it is an essential part of the social contract.  It just is what it is.

Oh I know that too
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Confucius on November 13, 2019, 02:34:49 AM
Itís not like he canít afford a watch either.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 13, 2019, 02:47:58 AM
Itís not like he canít afford a watch either.

There's a one-hour time difference between England and Italy! I'm sure he just thought he was 53 minutes early.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Simon Paul on November 13, 2019, 02:54:16 AM
Nah, it's a basic courtesy that should be learned by the time anyone is out of middle school.

I'm not being facetious here but have you ever met a teenage professional footballer?

As soon as there is a sniff of the first team - long before a contract is even an option - they are pampered beyond belief.  Everton's policy is that, because they can't offer 16 year old's bags of money, they tell them that if there is anything they want, they ask for it and it arrives.  That often goes for the parents too.

Now lash into the mix a 19 year old boy who is probably living away from home for the first time, who has just been signed from the Champions of his home country, for a hefty fee, to play in the Premier League.

Guidance from an older team-mate is - quite simply - a MUST.  Leaving players like Moise Kean to be late for training is exactly how George Green's career and mental health went the way they did.

Mentor, chaperone, and harass.  Keep this kid on the straight and narrow and for fuck sake don't hang him out to dry in the media for being late twice in 3 months. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 13, 2019, 03:10:29 AM
I'm not being facetious here but have you ever met a teenage professional footballer?

As soon as there is a sniff of the first team - long before a contract is even an option - they are pampered beyond belief.  Everton's policy is that, because they can't offer 16 year old's bags of money, they tell them that if there is anything they want, they ask for it and it arrives.  That often goes for the parents too.

Now lash into the mix a 19 year old boy who is probably living away from home for the first time, who has just been signed from the Champions of his home country, for a hefty fee, to play in the Premier League.

Guidance from an older team-mate is - quite simply - a MUST.  Leaving players like Moise Kean to be late for training is exactly how George Green's career and mental health went the way they did.

Mentor, chaperone, and harass.  Keep this kid on the straight and narrow and for fuck sake don't hang him out to dry in the media for being late twice in 3 months. 

To be honest I wasn't specifically refering to Kean. I was just relating that in my thirty odd years of working life I have found that it's mostly the same people that are bad time keepers yet it's such a basic thing for anyone to manage.
There is no excuse for continual lateness. And if you're doing a job you are supposed to love it's even harder to.justify.
Being on time is not beyond a 19 year old and it's expected of every employee in every walk of life.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on November 13, 2019, 03:15:05 AM
Mentor, chaperone, and harass.  Keep this kid on the straight and narrow and for fuck sake don't hang him out to dry in the media for being late twice in 3 months.

Presuming they were the only ones who had the story, such their "as revealed by the ECHO" sentence in the story, did they need to actually reveal it, I am sure they could have just left it, given the lad is 19 settling in etc... I listened to some of their pod earlier (I live in Swansea and they cover Everton better than the Evening Post does), they state close to the start it seems to have been dealt with in-house why not leave it like that then.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on November 13, 2019, 04:06:57 AM
Rumours Mina Raiola is pissy and he's touting Kean to AC for a move in January

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 13, 2019, 04:29:47 AM
Rumours Mina Raiola is pissy and he's touting Kean to AC for a move in January

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From a reasonable source, or somewhere pointless like Sport Witness?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on November 13, 2019, 04:54:57 AM
Rumours Mina Raiola is pissy and he's touting Kean to AC for a move in January

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Yeah, because heíd be a starter there.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 13, 2019, 05:36:42 AM
Yeah, because heíd be a starter there.

I dunno, they're pretty terrible this year lol

Also, to @Waltzer (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1907)'s question above, if there's any football media less reliable than England's, it's definitely Italy's. Don't hold your breath.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on November 13, 2019, 11:10:48 AM
Amazing the amount of people that have seemingly never been late on here...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TSGun on November 13, 2019, 12:31:04 PM
Amazing the amount of people that have seemingly never been late on here...
Haha yeah, I'd always thought it to be fashionable.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on November 13, 2019, 12:48:42 PM
From a reasonable source, or somewhere pointless like Sport Witness?
1000x more reliable, it's in the Daily Mail now

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7678861/Moise-Kean-linked-away-Everton-agent-contacts-AC-Milan-January-switch.html

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Grand Master C on November 13, 2019, 12:54:32 PM
Reading this on the train to work.

I am late 👼
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 13, 2019, 02:22:53 PM
I was late yesterday. Left earlier than usual but sometimes thems the breaks.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on November 13, 2019, 02:29:52 PM
From The Athletic, for all you cheapskates...



The fanfare that surrounded Evertonís signing of Moise Kean centred on the idea that they had pulled off a bona fide coup after agreeing a £25 million deal for the forward in August.

Fast-forward two months and things arenít yet panning out quite as they had hoped.

Speaking on the day the transfer was announced, manager Marco Silva said the 19-year-old was ďready to work, ready to improve our squad, and gives us different solutionsĒ. Yet whether this has transpired, so far, is debatable.

Kean has yet to score for his new club and has started just four games, the most recent being Octoberís Carabao Cup win against Watford at Goodison Park.

He was omitted from Evertonís 18-man squad for their 2-1 win over Southampton on Saturday altogether as a punishment for being late to team meetings. The teenager had been given the benefit of the doubt and warned the first time he breached club rules on punctuality, but Silva felt he had to act when it happened again.

Kean apologised to the manager and his team-mates ó but had to watch the vital victory at St Maryís from the stands.

The Athletic understands he was late for the teamís match-day morning meeting at their hotel in Southampton after he slept in and missed his alarm.

Anthony Gordon, an 18-year-old attacking prospect who travelled with the squad but had been told he would not make the bench, got a last-minute promotion following Silvaís decision on Kean. After the game, suggesting it had been a tactical decision, the manager preferred to make encouraging noises about Keanís potential.

ďHe has all of my support and my staff and his team-mates to keep growing,Ē he said. ďFor sure, he will do that and in some weeks and some months, you will see Moise in a better level, for sure.Ē


Kean and Mason Holgate during an Everton training session last week. (Photo: Tony McArdle/Everton FC via Getty Images)
The Athletic understands Everton do not have serious worries over Keanís character, beyond his dubious time-keeping. He is viewed as a popular, hard-working player, who is in the early part of a process of settling into a new country at a young age. His English is limited but he is taking the same intensive lessons as team-mates Richarlison and Yerry Mina.

This is not the first time Kean has been censured for missing a team meeting, though. Italy manager Roberto Mancini left him out of the senior squad for their Euro 2020 qualifiers in September after he and Romaís Nicolo Zaniolo were both late for a get-together at the Under-21 European Championship during the summer.

The latest mistake will disappoint Everton fans, who have extended a warm welcome and shown patience in response to his lack of impact. They also reacted with anger when former Liverpool player and manager Graeme Souness claimed Kean had caused off-field problems at Juventus, which prompted the Serie A club to sell him.

Speaking on Sky Sports in September, Souness suggested Keanís ďoff-the-field activities are not the bestĒ before making a tenuous comparison to the former Arsenal and Tottenham forward Emmanuel Adebayor.

ďAt 19, why have they sold him?Ē Souness wondered. ďPersonally, slight alarm bells are going off in my head. Juventus are arguably the biggest club in Italy, the wealthiest club in Italy. Given that theyíve got an older strike force, youíre selling a 19-year-old who wonít be hurting you wage-wise, theyíve not got £100 (million) plus for him. So I think there must be other issues there.Ē

Silvaís response to those comments was that Kean should pay no attention to them.

The Everton must hope the youngster does pay attention to his own patient, almost fatherly, approach to helping him fulfil his potential on Merseyside.

He took a similarly raw Richarlison from Fluminense in Brazil to the Premier League in 2017 when he was Watford manager, and nurtured him ďlike a father and sonĒ in the attackerís own words. He has stood by the 22-year-old and been rewarded by his performances ó 13 league goals in his debut season with Everton and three so far this time, including the crucial winner against Southampton last weekend.

Richarlison made a point of running to embrace Silva after Saturdayís goal, in part an acknowledgement of his continued support after the publicity around his tendency to go to ground too easily.

It is believed the Everton boss can similarly guide Kean, on and off the pitch.

Silva gave an insight into the more positive traits which have impressed him when reflecting on Keanís approach to being an unused substitute away to Brighton & Hove Albion last month.

ďWhat I can tell you, he is working hard, he is trying to get his chance,Ē he said following the 3-2 defeat.

ďAfter the Brighton match, we had a session on Sunday morning and he came here and he worked really strongly and showed me he was able to play against Watford (four days later). It is what I want from him.Ē

When he does get onto the field, Kean has some work to do there, too.

Chloe Beresford, the Serie A writer for Forbes, admits to being mildly surprised he has yet to have a bigger impact in the Premier League.

ďHe broke all those goalscoring records for the youngest player and did the same when he got a call-up for Italy,Ē she says. ďHe didnít seem to be fazed by anything, so I thought a move to England would be no different.Ē

On the back of that electric spell in Italy, Kean arrived at Goodison with a heady reputation and lofty price tag. But the reality, hype aside, is that he had scored just 11 times and started only 19 league matches in his senior career. For all his obvious potential, both Juventus and Everton saw him as a work in progress.

Adapting to a new language, culture and footballing style is far from easy, and Kean has largely been limited to sporadic appearances in a number of different roles.

At Juventus, he was predominantly used as an impact substitute in the main striking role. Playing in tandem with one of Cristiano Ronaldo, Paulo Dybala or Mario Mandzukic, and handed further assistance from the deep-lying creative talents of Miralem Pjanic, Kean was given a steady supply of ammunition. Slide-rule passes into the channels and in between the central defenders made use of his explosive pace and desire to play on the shoulder of the last man.

ďI think he was used to the environment at Juve,Ē notes Beresford. ďHe was handed his debut by Max Allegri, who is notoriously cautious about bringing new players into the side, which means to me that Kean is a very special player indeed, and I think they made him feel valued in that way.Ē

Most recently, Everton have played Kean in a role on the right of their attack ó a position Silva feels he is well-suited to playing. Yet Kean rarely played on the flanks during his time in Italy. His last appearance in such a role came in 2017, when he played from the left as a late substitute against AC Milan.

ďI think heís much better as a central striker,Ē says Beresford. ďHis ability to finish chances is much better suited that kind of role than pushed out wide.Ē

He has shown no real sign of being a creator, either. Keanís assist during the 3-2 win over Wolverhampton Wanderers in September is the only one of his senior club career. Even then, the goal ó Richarlisonís first that day ó came about through a ricochet after he had closed down visiting goalkeeper Rui Patricio.

Everton know they must give Kean minutes in order for him to develop but are in a Catch-22 situation as they seek a proper focal point at the top end of the pitch. There is an argument that playing him on the right ó as Silva did in the cup win over Watford ó could well undermine his confidence and do him more harm than good.

Below is Keanís shot map for his club career to date, encompassing his time at Juventus, fellow Italian side Verona, and Everton. The vast majority of his shots have come from central positions inside the penalty area.



The graphic for his 11 club goals (below) to date also lends credence to the argument that he should be used first and foremost as a central striker. It suggests Kean is the archetypal penalty-box poacher as he is yet to score a goal from outside the area at club level.



The initial signs in such a role at Everton were promising, but Kean and the team have failed to push on.

In reality, this says as much about the sideís overall struggles creatively as it does about the player. The teenager was handed the main striking jersey in the 2-0 defeat to Sheffield United in September ó and registered an xG of 0.51 that day. But his tally came from five shots, suggesting that it was very much a case of quantity over quality.

He has rarely been used in such a role since, Silva preferring the physicality of Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Cenk Tosun, as well as the all-round game of Richarlison up front.

Keanís stats in the Carabao Cup against Watford ó a game where he was shunted out to the right ó are also telling. In an under-par 45 minutes (he was replaced with Theo Walcott at half-time), the Italian touched the ball just 14 times, had just one shot (which got blocked) and registered a paltry xG total of 0.08. Known for his powerful running, Kean on this occasion failed to complete a dribble, made only five passes with a 60 per cent accuracy rate and did not conjure up a single chance for his side.

The mitigation is clear ó it was a poor team display despite winning 2-0 and he was used in an unfamiliar role ó but it was hard to escape the feeling Kean was a square peg in a round hole that night.

Nobody at Everton foresees further negative ramifications in the wake of Saturdayís incident. Silvaís response will hopefully have given Kean the tough love required to improve his time-keeping.

Improvements on the pitch will be important, too. Silva has tried to ease the striker into the team so far, aware that a struggling side with a disgruntled support isnít the perfect environment for a teenager who is still adapting.

It would be timely for both, though, if Kean can start to reward his patience and support in the same fearless fashion that saw him become one of European footballís brightest young prospects last season.


The comparison with Richarlison is interesting; Silva played him and gave him time and space to develop, but he doesn't appear to be willing to do so with Kean?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on November 13, 2019, 02:34:39 PM
The only important thing to take from that... "after 2 months".
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on November 13, 2019, 02:36:56 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4yCnxcF_tj/?igshid=1pwqvhyqbu2t1
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on November 13, 2019, 02:38:32 PM
If anyoneís not got instagram, thatís saying that Riola isnít happy with his clients current situation, and that they will look at their options in January. Contact with AC Milan has been made already. Source: Calciomercato
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 13, 2019, 02:42:29 PM
What a drama. Itís all drama when it comes to the media.

The only thing any club is hopefully doing is retaining perspective in private communication with its players and not getting into whatever this discussion has turned into. Selling in January is just bullshit, right?

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on November 13, 2019, 03:13:39 PM
What a drama. It's all drama when it comes to the media.

The only thing any club is hopefully doing is retaining perspective in private communication with its players and not getting into whatever this discussion has turned into. Selling in January is just bullshit, right?

Hope so mate. Itís Everton though, and weíve seen a few of these types of transfers in recent years. Lookman, Vlasic, Geri and Etoío. I try not to read into it too much, but itís starting to worry me at the amount of attention this situation is getting.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 13, 2019, 03:14:50 PM
Could AC Milan afford him?

Personally think we keep going with him, minutes off the bench here and there. The run of games coming up will be ideal imo
If we can stay in the game against the so called big guys and send him on with 20 to go against sides really pushing on at us his pace and un predictability (in a good way, not niasse way) could cause some real damage
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on November 13, 2019, 03:18:48 PM
Could AC Milan afford him?

Personally think we keep going with him, minutes off the bench here and there. The run of games coming up will be ideal imo
If we can stay in the game against the so called big guys and send him on with 20 to go against sides really pushing on at us his pace and un predictability (in a good way, not niasse way) could cause some real damage

Theyíd probably go for a loan then try and low ball us when the player seems settled and pushes for the move himself.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on November 13, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
Remember a few weeks ago when we were cancelling sidibies loan because he was badly shite?

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on November 13, 2019, 04:37:45 PM
The only important thing to take from that... "after 2 months".

Canít believe heís not won the Ballon DíOr already tbh
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Liam on November 13, 2019, 06:46:15 PM
He has a bit of form for being late it would appear, it was why he was dropped to the Italy U21's a few months ago:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7422109/Italy-news-Moise-Kean-DROPPED-Italy-punishment-turning-late.html
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on November 13, 2019, 06:53:15 PM
Well, hopefully he's learnt his lesson now. There really isn't any excuse for being late. If all the other players can manage it, there's no reason he can't either.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 13, 2019, 06:56:32 PM
If we as a fanbase are going to look unfavourably upon one of our promising 19 year-olds for being a bit tardy, we donít deserve success.

Imagine if he did something really bad like bite or spit at someone.

For all the talk I hear from Evertonians about needing a real snide to push us forward and get in the oppositions faces, I just donít buy it; we judge our own too harshly, and, as much as I wince at the cliche, we are generally too Ďniceí.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 13, 2019, 07:00:24 PM
Calciomercato is one of the most unreliable sources out there. They pay other sources for rumors, then in turn try to recoup their cost through clicks. Nothing they do is substantiated in the least so Iíd disregard anything that comes from them.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on November 13, 2019, 10:09:39 PM
I think the club have handled this perfectly tbh... You don't show the right attitude, here's another extremely promising youngster ready to step into your spot.

No replacing him with an established player, they've gone like for like... You get what your attitude deserves both good and bad.  Perfect way to manage it imo
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 13, 2019, 10:25:06 PM
I think the club have handled this perfectly tbh... You don't show the right attitude, here's another extremely promising youngster ready to step into your spot.

No replacing him with an established player, they've gone like for like... You get what your attitude deserves both good and bad.  Perfect way to manage it imo

I donít have any problem with it either. Sometimes things like this are just the wake-up call thatís needed for young talent.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KingdingalingNL on November 13, 2019, 10:34:58 PM
Remember a few weeks ago when we were cancelling sidibies loan because he was badly shite?



And the rumour was also Milan wanted to buy him as well. No other teams in Italy ?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on November 13, 2019, 10:41:39 PM
This incident is why I'm hopeful that the Norwich game to be his breakthrough. You can see Silva now, 'he has focused really hard in the last few weeks, knuckled down and deserved his chance and got his goal'. This is coming on at 60 minutes and scoring our 4th

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 13, 2019, 10:43:30 PM
This incident is why I'm hopeful that the Norwich game to be his breakthrough. You can see Silva now, 'he has focused really hard in the last few weeks, knuckled down and deserved his chance and got his goal'. This is coming on at 60 minutes and scoring our 4th

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I was thinking starting and netting a brace. 😀
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 13, 2019, 11:16:51 PM
And the rumour was also Milan wanted to buy him as well. No other teams in Italy ?

Same "source": Calciomercato   :wanker:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 13, 2019, 11:18:33 PM
Reckon when he scores silva is gunna go skitz on the sideline.

Honestly could not care one jot about being late. I understand it maybe portents to wider darker things but tbh I think he's just a teenager, and still absolutely cannot wait to see him up top with Wobes sliding him in behind cbs from the 10. Q
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on November 14, 2019, 12:03:03 AM
Reckon when he scores silva is gunna go skitz on the sideline.

Honestly could not care one jot about being late. I understand it maybe portents to wider darker things but tbh I think he's just a teenager, and still absolutely cannot wait to see him up top with Wobes sliding him in behind cbs from the 10. Q
I get where you're coming from but they're in a privileged position with no real excuses for being late, it's a lack of respect. I'm assuming it wasn't something like an accident, or car broke down as you'd think that would be understandable and wouldn't result in the same action, therfore it must be more of him oversleeping or something along those lines which isn't acceptable and I think it's right to highlight the standards expected of people.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on November 14, 2019, 12:20:39 AM
I get where you're coming from but they're in a privileged position with no real excuses for being late, it's a lack of respect. I'm assuming it wasn't something like an accident, or car broke down as you'd think that would be understandable and wouldn't result in the same action, therfore it must be more of him oversleeping or something along those lines which isn't acceptable and I think it's right to highlight the standards expected of people.

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Team protocols are part of building a team spirit. Anyone see the fines system up in the Chelsea changing room?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 14, 2019, 12:30:02 AM
Heís coming on with 20mins left in the derby, bagging a hat trick in front of the kop giving us a 3-2 win, the shiteís confidence nose dives after that and City win the title again, whilst Keanís goals help us lift the FA Cup....

No? Just me?  ;D
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 14, 2019, 01:19:04 AM
Heís coming on with 20mins left in the derby, bagging a hat trick in front of the kop giving us a 3-2 win, the shiteís confidence nose dives after that and City win the title again, whilst Keanís goals help us lift the FA Cup....

No? Just me?  ;D

Iíd give up my meat & 2 veg for this to come true.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on November 14, 2019, 01:27:50 AM
Heís coming on with 20mins left in the derby, bagging a hat trick in front of the kop giving us a 3-2 win, the shiteís confidence nose dives after that and City win the title again, whilst Keanís goals help us lift the FA Cup....

No? Just me?  ;D

Iíll have a pint of that
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Polledreng on November 14, 2019, 01:44:16 AM
I get where you're coming from but they're in a privileged position with no real excuses for being late, it's a lack of respect. I'm assuming it wasn't something like an accident, or car broke down as you'd think that would be understandable and wouldn't result in the same action, therfore it must be more of him oversleeping or something along those lines which isn't acceptable and I think it's right to highlight the standards expected of people.

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Exactly
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 14, 2019, 01:48:30 AM
I get where you're coming from but they're in a privileged position with no real excuses for being late, it's a lack of respect. I'm assuming it wasn't something like an accident, or car broke down as you'd think that would be understandable and wouldn't result in the same action, therfore it must be more of him oversleeping or something along those lines which isn't acceptable and I think it's right to highlight the standards expected of people.

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I think it's fine that he had an in house punishment and it was resolved. I'd have kept it in house to be honest, not entirely sure what we achieve by getting this out in public.

Who was the last footballer to get fined for being late? How about for losing gear, or not reporting illness or injury? No idea personally. anyone ever been late at the shite?

Imagine that, hundreds of football clubs in the country and only ONE player who's been late in the last 12 months. Suppose it is quite newsworthy.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Blue Lagoon on November 14, 2019, 02:04:54 AM
Itís a kick up the arse for him. And I think with the young lads itís perhaps more effective to do something semi publicly like this . As itís all over social media and guys of his age are all over all forms of social media meaning heíll hear about it a lot.
Also means heíll no doubt be grateful when he drops a bollock again and the club keeps it in house.
Anyhow heís 19 and fucked up a bit. Iím twice his age and still done some dumb shit. Wonít even think about what I did at 19 - thereíd have been multiple fines!
Iím sure heíll come good, takes a while to get used to a new country, team and style of play I donít doubt.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 14, 2019, 02:13:18 AM
Itís a kick up the arse for him. And I think with the young lads itís perhaps more effective to do something semi publicly like this . As itís all over social media and guys of his age are all over all forms of social media meaning heíll hear about it a lot.
Also means heíll no doubt be grateful when he drops a bollock again and the club keeps it in house.
Anyhow heís 19 and fucked up a bit. Iím twice his age and still done some dumb shit. Wonít even think about what I did at 19 - thereíd have been multiple fines!
Iím sure heíll come good, takes a while to get used to a new country, team and style of play I donít doubt.


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I don't even care to think about my 19-year-old fuck-ups. Definitely involved almost flunking out of college, and breaking multiple bones. Oh, and totaling my father's car. Luckily this was pre-Instagram   :laugh:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 14, 2019, 02:13:26 AM
It came out publicly to avoid speculation that it was sommet worse.

This isn't even a "kick in the arse" - it's a young person learning via natural consequences over their behaviour.  Which is generally the only way people learn.  Silva, as quasi-parental figure, is doing the right thing by not shielding Moise from said natural consequences.  So he will learn.

It's all good.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Smithers on November 14, 2019, 02:25:01 AM
I think it's fine that he had an in house punishment and it was resolved. I'd have kept it in house to be honest, not entirely sure what we achieve by getting this out in public.

Who was the last footballer to get fined for being late? How about for losing gear, or not reporting illness or injury? No idea personally. anyone ever been late at the shite?

Imagine that, hundreds of football clubs in the country and only ONE player who's been late in the last 12 months. Suppose it is quite newsworthy.

Last one that springs to mind is Sakho getting shipped out by Klopp I think mate. Probably should've googled it before I posted this to be sure, but I think Sakho turned up late for pre season. Sakho tried to be matey with Klopp on some social media video the next day but Klopp wasn't having it. Think he got dropped and was shipped off to Palace not long after.

Well done to that night's editor of North West Tonight for making that really shit  non-story stick in my head.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 15, 2019, 02:16:10 AM
This is getting more Lookman by the day... He's either given game time or he'll want to leave. You don't develop in the stands...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on November 15, 2019, 02:34:54 AM
To be fair Silva can't afford to wait around for him to start firing.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 15, 2019, 03:04:48 AM
To be fair Silva can't afford to wait around for him to start firing.

How does a player not in the first XI in his main position start firing? May there be other factors to him not being in the first XI regularly yet, beyond that he canít fire?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 15, 2019, 03:05:46 AM
This is getting more Lookman by the day... He's either given game time or he'll want to leave. You don't develop in the stands...

Hardly comparable for me. Lookman has a lot longer than 3 months and under very different circumstances. Iím not a fan of drawing vague comparison last to illustrate a situation
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on November 15, 2019, 03:27:10 AM
This is getting more Lookman by the day... He's either given game time or he'll want to leave. You don't develop in the stands...

He's clearly not ready to be starting, also when Richarlison and DCL have been doing well how can you justify dropping one of them for him?

He's not up to speed with the league, and it seems his attitude hasn't been as good as it should be, so there's very little justification for playing him right now.  He needs to fight for his place and prove his worth.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 15, 2019, 04:21:43 AM
To be fair Silva can't afford to wait around for him to start firing.

To be fair, Kean will be here longer than Silva.   ;D
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 15, 2019, 01:43:51 PM
Serie A in January for Kean
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 15, 2019, 01:55:05 PM
He's not up to speed with the league, and it seems his attitude hasn't been as good as it should be, so there's very little justification for playing him right now.  He needs to fight for his place and prove his worth.

That isn't like Lookman? Ok. Wait for the loan to RBL then eh?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 15, 2019, 02:02:36 PM
Like a witch hunt in here.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 15, 2019, 03:41:34 PM
He's not up to speed with the league, and it seems his attitude hasn't been as good as it should be, so there's very little justification for playing him right now.  He needs to fight for his place and prove his worth.

That isn't like Lookman? Ok. Wait for the loan to RBL then eh?

How do you know what his attitude has been like? Being late does not denote bad attitude, per se.

How does he get up to speed without  playing time?

I am interested in your perspective. Iím not here to say Iím right. I just donít get out how these judgements are snapped to so quickly without any knowledge.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on November 15, 2019, 03:46:48 PM
He's not up to speed with the league, and it seems his attitude hasn't been as good as it should be, so there's very little justification for playing him right now.  He needs to fight for his place and prove his worth.

That isn't like Lookman? Ok. Wait for the loan to RBL then eh?

I think you meant to quote me there?

Yes I've said previously on this thread it's gone very Lookman, but I feel with him there was very little justification to play him either.

A team works by having everyone pulling in the same direction, and for that to happen you can't play someone who isn't showing the desired commitment or it creates big problems.

You also don't start someone not up to speed with the league just because they cost x amount or are a certain age... Should Kean play ahead of DCL? Nope, both DCL and Richarlison have both performed to a level they deserve to be starting ahead of him.

Kean is a young player with limited first team experience in any league, so he can't just walk in to our team ahead of others... He needs to knuckle down and show what he's worth in training and when he does get minutes on the pitch, just like any other player
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 15, 2019, 03:49:11 PM
Like a witch hunt in here.

Not really, just the same two people posting the same shit over and over?  :Horse:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 15, 2019, 07:39:47 PM
How do you know what his attitude has been like? Being late does not denote bad attitude, per se.

How does he get up to speed withrout playing time?

I am interested in your perspective. Iím not here to say Iím right. I just donít get out how these judgements are snapped to so quickly without any knowledge.

I probably know about as much as you or less but I guess opinions are ok too... No?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 15, 2019, 10:41:54 PM
Some saying his da is saying come back to Italy and play for roma.

So frustrating that we might be about to let another huge talent go by the way side. Not a great look, not great for the future of the side.

Players like cebk Tosun and Schneiderlin getting minutes still. A great deal more house keeping needed here isn't there.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on November 15, 2019, 10:45:11 PM
Some saying his da is saying come back to Italy and play for roma.

So frustrating that we might be about to let another huge talent go by the way side. Not a great look, not great for the future of the side.

Players like cebk Tosun and Schneiderlin getting minutes still. A great deal more house keeping needed here isn't there.

Doesnít have contact with his da because he walked out on him when he was young.

Reappeared suddenly when he became a footballer.

Now youíve posted this weíre going to have pages full of shit jokes about lukakus dad ffs. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 15, 2019, 10:51:17 PM
Doesnít have contact with his da because he walked out on him when he was young.

Reappeared suddenly when he became a footballer.

Now youíve posted this weíre going to have pages full of shit jokes about lukakus dad ffs. 

Ah shit really, fuck him Keano you'll be up top for the mighty blues in no time at all.

Bernard Kean Richarlison

Or

Richarlison Kean Walcott

Yeeees
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Old England Toffee on November 15, 2019, 11:01:35 PM
Ah shit really, fuck him Keano you'll be up top for the mighty blues in no time at all.

Bernard Kean Richarlison

Or

Richarlison Kean Walcott

Yeeees

the famous 433, hopefully we can can 1 or 2 midfielders in january to allow us to play like that.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 15, 2019, 11:02:32 PM
Some saying his da is saying come back to Italy and play for roma.

So frustrating that we might be about to let another huge talent go by the way side. Not a great look, not great for the future of the side.

Players like cebk Tosun and Schneiderlin getting minutes still. A great deal more house keeping needed here isn't there.

You'll have less headache if you literally ignore 100% of the bullshit coming out of Italy, and being re-reported by equally garbage rags/sites in the UK.

Every single one can be traced back to one source: Calciomercato.it <---- 100% garbage.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 15, 2019, 11:04:34 PM
Bernard Kean Richarlison

This one, only swap Bernard & Ritchie. Gotta have Bernard on the left because, Digne. Ritchie's more versatile IMO.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on November 15, 2019, 11:13:57 PM
https://twitter.com/evertonnewsfeed/status/1195379320593752070?s=21

Fuck sake. Didnít even realise his Dad was Belgian.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on November 15, 2019, 11:34:23 PM
Nah that's bollocks
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 16, 2019, 01:32:02 AM
"Joining Everton is ruining my son's career" says Moise Kean's father, "And Juventus owe me two tractors"

Plough the fields and scatter





Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 16, 2019, 07:59:26 PM
Gazzetta apparently reporting he wants off.

Well it was exciting for about 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 16, 2019, 08:11:18 PM
If we can get the Norwich game won early on, he can get 20/30 mins off the bench. That was probably how the club envisioned his development and integration into the team. Also, there are a shitload of games coming up and heíll get game time.

I hope the club are looking after him and havenít just put him up in an apartment in Manchester and left him to play FIFA on his todd, all day.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 16, 2019, 08:15:04 PM
Gazzetta apparently reporting he wants off.

Well it was exciting for about 2 weeks.

Gazzetta Ť un ragetta

How's my Italian?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 16, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
Gazzetta Ť un ragetta

How's my Italian?

Blindly optimistic.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 16, 2019, 08:25:24 PM
If his Dad gets his way, we'll end up with a Landini

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on November 16, 2019, 08:46:58 PM
Gazzetta apparently reporting he wants off.

Well it was exciting for about 2 weeks.

Won't that have just come from his dad's quote?


To be honest we lost the right to see his best when we started chanting Keano at him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 16, 2019, 09:02:17 PM
I think, odd Watford right-wing experiment apart, he has looked sharp and promising when heís played.

The fact he hasnít been played up front with a busy number 10 (Iwobi) behind him is unfair, and on Silva.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 16, 2019, 10:07:37 PM
Blindly optimistic.

Not blind, mate, rooted in reality!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 17, 2019, 02:27:38 PM
I think, odd Watford right-wing experiment apart, he has looked sharp and promising when he's played.

The fact he hasn't been played up front with a busy number 10 (Iwobi) behind him is unfair, and on Silva.
I agree with that.

Although, I think if Silva's job wasnt on the line then he would allow more playing time for him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: bigdunc9 on November 17, 2019, 03:44:24 PM
Really would like to see him given a run in the team. It's not really a risk in my eyes as it wouldn't be like we was dropping a 20 goal a season player for him to come in.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on November 17, 2019, 05:00:03 PM
He'd be perfectly within his rights to demand to go on loan in January. When he's seeing someone like Tosun getting a game ahead of him and Richarlison moved to play up there as well, at a time when the team is languishing at the bottom of the league, then why would he stick it out for another six months.

No matter the rights or wrongs of whether he should be playing more or not, if he demands to play more football he isn't going to get the minutes he wants or probably needs for us this season. Not while Silva is struggling to get a tune out of this side and fearing for his job.

I don't think running back to Italy is the answer for any party though. If we decide to send him out on loan then somewhere in this country would help all concerned. Someone like Bournemouth, who are having trouble scoring this season, might work to bring him back in the summer more accustomed to the league and country.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 17, 2019, 05:50:42 PM
Posted on twitter or Instagram basically telling his dad to wind his neck in
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 17, 2019, 05:51:38 PM
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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on November 17, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
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Good attitude to have. He'll grow from these hard times.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 17, 2019, 05:59:14 PM
'do not talk about my life when yours is not an example. I fear not the most difficult moments the best you come from there'
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: VBlue on November 17, 2019, 06:26:47 PM
He'd be perfectly within his rights to demand to go on loan in January. When he's seeing someone like Tosun getting a game ahead of him and Richarlison moved to play up there as well, at a time when the team is languishing at the bottom of the league, then why would he stick it out for another six months.

No matter the rights or wrongs of whether he should be playing more or not, if he demands to play more football he isn't going to get the minutes he wants or probably needs for us this season. Not while Silva is struggling to get a tune out of this side and fearing for his job.

I don't think running back to Italy is the answer for any party though. If we decide to send him out on loan then somewhere in this country would help all concerned. Someone like Bournemouth, who are having trouble scoring this season, might work to bring him back in the summer more accustomed to the league and country.

🙄 - fucking hell mate. Loan to Bournemouth. Give me strength. He needs to be around the squad heís been bought to be a part of. A squad.

Nobody is guaranteed first XI.

How does he/we benefit from a loan? Everton want to benefit from a player theyíve bought - for the next few years at least.

I donít think he needs experience.

Iím sure he needs playing time.

Weíve had a tough period of the season and letís see where we are as a club and with him in another third of a season.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 17, 2019, 07:13:03 PM
'do not talk about my life when yours is not an example. I fear not the most difficult moments the best you come from there'

Woah 😳 burn

I love him even more now
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 17, 2019, 07:20:40 PM
As if we'll send him out on loan. We obviously don't think he's ready yet so are protecting him from unnecessary exposure; something we will lose any control of if we loan him out.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on November 18, 2019, 12:38:44 PM
We need others in the team to weigh in with goals to give this lad a run. If we were confident of goals from other players, we could have patience with him in the side. As it is, we're desperate so that CF position demands a goalscorer right now.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Spider-pig on November 18, 2019, 02:42:53 PM
Yes a CF! Like what he is!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KevtheRat on November 20, 2019, 02:46:54 AM
Bagged 2 in the first half for Italy U21ís so far


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 20, 2019, 03:04:21 AM
Ready for Norwich
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on November 20, 2019, 03:18:06 AM
Dad's rant paid off
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 20, 2019, 04:44:53 AM
Bagged 2 in the first half for Italy U21ís so far


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Is he playing RW?

;)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on November 20, 2019, 08:32:03 AM
Is he playing RW?

;)

He was playing on the right of a front three yes
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 20, 2019, 04:15:59 PM
He was playing on the right of a front three yes

Haha, I see
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 20, 2019, 08:23:30 PM
He was playing on the right of a front three yes

I had no idea he played RW for them. Maybe that's a good sign for us if we could finally moved to a 4-3-3.

Because he certainly can't play wide right in a 4-2-3-1
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on November 21, 2019, 04:10:31 PM
Mancini saying he should leave.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 21, 2019, 04:28:43 PM
Mancini saying he should leave.
Heís not going to pick him if heís not playing for his club side.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 21, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Mancini saying he should leave.

He still hates us after Moyes mugged him off.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 21, 2019, 09:28:58 PM
Mancini saying he should leave.

Good thing his opinion is irrelevant to Everton & Kean then, eh?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 22, 2019, 10:10:01 PM
Anyone see Silva's comments today?

Quote
ĒMoise has all the support here. we bought him, we believe in him. He has all the support from me, from the club and his team-mates to adapt to the Premier League. He is our present and future.

ďWhat is the most important is what I speak to him directly and everything is so clear for him

ďHe working really hard, he wants to play. After the Brighton game, where didnít play, on Sunday morning he was here (Finch Farm) to work really hard and gave me the answer I want.Ē

ďHe wants to play more like all the players we have. He has had some starts in the Premier League and Carabao Cup.

ďThereís many many examples of players who have come to the Premier League and not played. An example not too far from here is Fabinho. He plays a lot in the Liverpool team (now) but for the first six, seven months he didnít play. And for most of the games he was in the stands.

ďThe most important thing is to keep teaching him, for him to adapt as fast as he can. We are talking about a talent with quality and he has all the support from myself and my staff and he is working hard to play because that is what he wants.Ē
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on November 22, 2019, 10:22:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1197885747849764864
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 22, 2019, 10:31:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1197885747849764864

Literally the first comment is "Was he on time?"  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 22, 2019, 10:31:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1197885747849764864
Haha what a fucking lad! Is right, Moise!


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on November 22, 2019, 11:06:20 PM
Do the social media team know what a Scouser sound like?

Sounded like Yorkshire to me!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on November 22, 2019, 11:23:00 PM
Literally the first comment is "Was he on time?"  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I didnít know Oscar Wilde was on Twitter

;)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on November 23, 2019, 09:26:05 PM
Anyone reckon if he does settle and improve his form/score more goals he's going to end up a bit like a Rashford kind of player? Which isn't a bad thing but I always see Rashford as a hybrid type as a CF/Inside Forward. He can lead the line but likes to cut inside.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ARTEZZY on November 23, 2019, 09:53:19 PM
Unless Kean likes getting sent off there is no way he could be worse then theo walcott. I can not fathom how it could be possible.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 28, 2019, 11:14:27 PM
@Heath (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6988) i figured this was a better place to comment on what you noted in the match thread.

Do you really think Kean liked that post? I know it was his real Instagram account but maybe it was photoshopped? I'm as cynical as you can get these days 😂

I'm also allowing for Kean not even understanding what he was doing. I've never seen him post anything in English, or that wasn't comprised completely in emojis lol.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 28, 2019, 11:33:16 PM
@Heath (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6988) i figured this was a better place to comment on what you noted in the match thread.

Do you really think Kean liked that post? I know it was his real Instagram account but maybe it was photoshopped? I'm as cynical as you can get these days

I'm also allowing for Kean not even understanding what he was doing. I've never seen him post anything in English, or that wasn't comprised completely in emojis lol.
His camp didnít deny it


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 29, 2019, 03:18:06 AM
His camp didnít deny it


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Maybe to deny is to acknowledge? I get the whole clear up quick and move on rationale but who really knows. Or he's 19 and doesn't always think. I could devote an entire thread to dumb things I did when I was 19 😅
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heath on December 02, 2019, 02:15:19 PM
@Heath (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6988) i figured this was a better place to comment on what you noted in the match thread.

Do you really think Kean liked that post? I know it was his real Instagram account but maybe it was photoshopped? I'm as cynical as you can get these days 😂

I'm also allowing for Kean not even understanding what he was doing. I've never seen him post anything in English, or that wasn't comprised completely in emojis lol.

Alright mate, the part about Kean 'Liking' the post was my poor attempt at sarcasm; kind of saying it will be this weeks excuse for not giving the lad some more playing time ;D  I'm with you on him not fully understand what he was doing. I know from experience how easy it is to give the wrong impression on Twitter and the like.

Don't know how you feel about Kean in general, but I thought he did well when he came on against Leicester.

 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 02, 2019, 04:05:12 PM
Looked lively yesterday, really unlucky with that chance that showed confidence in his own ability, derby goal, winner pref, would be legendary status
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 02, 2019, 04:08:24 PM
The effort yesterday showed he's a natural goalscorer. You'd need to be to even think that was on. DCL wouldn't have even contemplated it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 02, 2019, 05:58:17 PM
The effort yesterday showed he's a natural goalscorer. You'd need to be to even think that was on. DCL wouldn't have even contemplated it.
I did feel a bit sorry for DCL yesterday as he was really isolated, but you're right, the only way you see that from DCL is if he miss hits a cross or something, that was pure instinct and highlighted more than enough why we need to start seeing him more, even his direct approach was refreshing

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 02, 2019, 08:54:31 PM
Alright mate, the part about Kean 'Liking' the post was my poor attempt at sarcasm; kind of saying it will be this weeks excuse for not giving the lad some more playing time ;D  I'm with you on him not fully understand what he was doing. I know from experience how easy it is to give the wrong impression on Twitter and the like.

Don't know how you feel about Kean in general, but I thought he did well when he came on against Leicester.

 

Your question can be answered by looking at my profile picture!

I want him to start every game from this point forth. I'm a big believer, which is why my hackles raise whenever people complain about our strikers.

Yesterday he got 10 minutes, 5 touches, 2 shots w/ 1 on target (and as you know, the off target one was about 2' wide of being goal of the month), and 3 for 3 completed passes.

DCL got 78 minutes and only produced 17 touches, 1 shot which was blocked, a 56% pass completion, and worse, a 29% pass completion in the attacking third. Not even captured by stats was his receiving another great pass from Sidibe early in the 2nd half but in typical indicisive fashion, sputtered around and didn't even produce a shot toward goal.

IMO it's clear who needs to play!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 02, 2019, 11:24:44 PM
There's a role for both, as DCL is great doing the donkey/secondary work, and can really wear down a back line.  He's just not a natural goal scorer.  It's also pretty unlikely to work, running Kean into the ground 90 minutes each match.  So, pick your spots, use both to maximize their strengths.

Just Quit.  Considering.  Tosun.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 02, 2019, 11:26:59 PM
This is where a little "tough love" from Brands is in order.  "Marco, I know you wanted an overpriced grock with no re-sale value, but bringing in shit-hot youth is the only way for Everton to succeed.  So use him."
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 02, 2019, 11:35:42 PM
Who ever plays up front needs a partner , or a least someone to do a lot of running off the ball, DCL made the run near post allowing Richy to score , any one but Gylfi as he is just not mobile enough
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 03, 2019, 12:37:45 AM
There's a role for both, as DCL is great doing the donkey/secondary work, and can really wear down a back line.  He's just not a natural goal scorer.  It's also pretty unlikely to work, running Kean into the ground 90 minutes each match.  So, pick your spots, use both to maximize their strengths.

Just Quit.  Considering.  Tosun.

Tell you what, DCL can carry Kean's bags to/from games. That's using both, right? ;D

Now, kidding aside, can DCL play midfield? He's not a terrible passer, he has good size and pace, and already has a fairly defensive mindset. The only thing he doesn't do all that well is shoot, score. Being in the midfield he'd still have those same opportunities for the occasional goal from wide, or header.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: bigdunc9 on December 03, 2019, 12:42:39 AM
Think I heard he started his career in midfield. Unless that was a dream?
Tell you what, DCL can carry Kean's bags to/from games. That's using both, right? ;D

Now, kidding aside, can DCL play midfield? He's not a terrible passer, he has good size and pace, and already has a fairly defensive mindset. The only thing he doesn't do all that well is shoot, score. Being in the midfield he'd still have those same opportunities for the occasional goal from wide, or header.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 03, 2019, 12:48:27 AM
Think I heard he started his career in midfield. Unless that was a dream?

No I think you're right but maybe it was a very long time ago, like when he was 16? FFS it may be worth a shot, not that Marco listens to me.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: bigdunc9 on December 03, 2019, 12:59:49 AM
I would like to see him up top in  a 4 4 2 , but that formation seems to have disappeared these days. Maybe I'm stuck in the past.
No I think you're right but maybe it was a very long time ago, like when he was 16? FFS it may be worth a shot, not that Marco listens to me.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 03, 2019, 01:36:52 AM
I would like to see him up top in  a 4 4 2 , but that formation seems to have disappeared these days. Maybe I'm stuck in the past.

I also like the 4-4-2 idea
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heath on December 03, 2019, 09:28:46 AM
Your question can be answered by looking at my profile picture!

I want him to start every game from this point forth. I'm a big believer, which is why my hackles raise whenever people complain about our strikers.

Yesterday he got 10 minutes, 5 touches, 2 shots w/ 1 on target (and as you know, the off target one was about 2' wide of being goal of the month), and 3 for 3 completed passes.

DCL got 78 minutes and only produced 17 touches, 1 shot which was blocked, a 56% pass completion, and worse, a 29% pass completion in the attacking third. Not even captured by stats was his receiving another great pass from Sidibe early in the 2nd half but in typical indicisive fashion, sputtered around and didn't even produce a shot toward goal.

IMO it's clear who needs to play!

Right, you're a big Tom Davies fan.

I never bother too much with stats and the like. Much prefer to watch the game and make my mind up by what I see. For me, Moise Kean hasn't done anything wrong when he's been given a chance, and has always given a 100%, so I don't understand the negativity he's been getting from some of our fanbase. He might turn out to be another Tosun/Sandro type or he may just be our next Lineker or Lukaku. But, of course, we'll not find out fully what we have until he starts getting regular game time and is played to his strengths. It will be interesting to see how he's utilised by whoever we appoint in replace of Marco Silva.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Juanito on December 03, 2019, 01:17:43 PM
I also like the 4-4-2 idea

Think it could work with two hard working, physical and energetic box to box players in the  midfield two. Not Morgan Schneiderlin or Sigurdsson or probably Davies if Iím being harsh.

Gomes-Gbamin have the attributes for if it seems. Such a shame.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on December 03, 2019, 05:50:18 PM
Think it could work with two hard working, physical and energetic box to box players in the  midfield two. Not Morgan Schneiderlin or Sigurdsson or probably Davies if Iím being harsh.

Gomes-Gbamin have the attributes for if it seems. Such a shame.

This is the point. Any formation needs the right players. It also helps if you have hard working wide players in a 4-4-2. (or you have full backs who don't get forward so much).

If we didn't have so many central midfielders injured I'd say 3-5-2 suits us better if we want to go 2 upfront, because of the wing backs we've got.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on December 03, 2019, 06:27:04 PM
Looked lively yesterday, really unlucky with that chance that showed confidence in his own ability, derby goal, winner pref, would be legendary status

I get this type of post, I really do, I'm sure I've done some like it myself - I'm ready to love him to bits if he scores a derby winner - but sometimes....   scoring one goal against one team (regardless of how much we hate them) in one game... it's depressing how much we would hang on that as an achievement  :( 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 03, 2019, 06:29:40 PM
I get this type of post, I really do, I'm sure I've done some like it myself - I'm ready to love him to bits if he scores a derby winner - but sometimes....   scoring one goal against one team (regardless of how much we hate them) in one game... it's depressing how much we would hang on that as an achievement  :(
The good times are so scarce at the moment though, any positive we need to get all over!

If we somehow manage to win this derby we need to celebrate it for a full month and soak up all the joy that it brings

Was good to see encouraging signs from him the other day. 100% sure that this kid has got talent

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 03, 2019, 06:34:00 PM
Agree completely

Ferguson scored against them and became a legend (not for me) but some times its good for fans to have someone... Any fucking one tbh
I get this type of post, I really do, I'm sure I've done some like it myself - I'm ready to love him to bits if he scores a derby winner - but sometimes....   scoring one goal against one team (regardless of how much we hate them) in one game... it's depressing how much we would hang on that as an achievement  :(
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 04, 2019, 08:59:00 AM
If it's going to be his time to emerge, it's this game.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Old England Toffee on December 04, 2019, 10:21:59 AM
Prediction. Kean derby hatrick and the third goal is so powerful liverpool gets docked 8 points by the FBI
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 06, 2019, 11:59:54 PM
Proper hope he starts tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on December 07, 2019, 03:46:49 AM
Proper hope he starts tomorrow.

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What does he say?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Smithers on December 07, 2019, 03:57:27 AM
What does he say?

I hear 'let's go lad!'
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on December 07, 2019, 04:02:36 AM
What does he say?

ďLetísss go, laaaĒ
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Confucius on December 07, 2019, 11:57:15 AM
I heard itís cold out
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heath on December 07, 2019, 01:05:51 PM
What does he say?

"I'm late again"

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on December 08, 2019, 03:30:09 PM
Sing it with me if you know the tune..

"All we are sayyyyyyyyying... is give Kean a chance"
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 08, 2019, 08:28:06 PM
With our currently (assuming fit) squad, do you think this could work?

4-4-2 diamond

              Pickford
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
           Schneiderlin
     Sigurdsson Richarlison
                Iwobi
             DCL Kean

Top 3 subs:
Davies
Bernard
Walcott

I just want to get Kean on the pitch but even I'm not stupid enough to suggest taking DCL off right now.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 08, 2019, 08:31:10 PM
No
With our currently (assuming fit) squad, do you think this could work?

4-4-2 diamond

              Pickford
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
           Schneiderlin
     Sigurdsson Richarlison
                Iwobi
             DCL Kean

Top 3 subs:
Davies
Bernard
Walcott

I just want to get Kean on the pitch but even I'm not stupid enough to suggest taking DCL off right now.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 08, 2019, 08:34:25 PM
No

😂

Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on December 08, 2019, 08:59:03 PM
😂

Can you elaborate?

Richarlison to deep for my liking.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 08, 2019, 09:16:24 PM
Richarlison to deep for my liking.

Fair, I was thinking he'd have the flexibility to join the attack in multiple ways as well as the pace and hustle to come back on coverage when necessary.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 09, 2019, 12:43:02 AM
                          Pickford
Sidibe       Holgate           Mina      Digne
                          Schneiderlin
                Iwobi              Sigurdsson
Kean                   DCL                   Richarlison 

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on December 15, 2019, 09:55:48 PM
Feel for him. What did he do wrong?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 15, 2019, 09:58:53 PM
Feel for him. What did he do wrong?
Can only think he wasn't doing as instructed. Harsh though.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 15, 2019, 10:01:07 PM
Not the first sub to be subbed

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kramer0 on December 15, 2019, 10:02:04 PM
This completely bummed me out. Can only imagine how Kean feels.

Maybe one day, this club will fall out of love with shooting itself in the foot.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Old England Toffee on December 15, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
ferguson said he just needed to make a sub to waste time. but I feel that was just for the cameras
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 15, 2019, 10:05:54 PM
Kean clearly hadn't done what Dunc told him to do, and Dunc's creating a team that will die for each other on the pitch... Hauled him off to make sure we gotta point.

For me that's great management,no passengers allowed, play for the team or you'll get taken off regardless of if you've just come on
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Picko1975 on December 15, 2019, 10:06:43 PM
I think itís quite clear that Ferguson was asking him to do a particular job....quite clearly he wasnít doing what he was asked to do so tough tit. I know the lad is young but youíve got to have players at least trying to do what they are asked to do. No one knows whatís gone on today so letís just get on with the next game.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 15, 2019, 10:10:04 PM
I didn't like seeing it tbh, not on a 19 year old kid. Dunc has gone down in my estimations a bit here.
I don't know if he blamed Kean for the goal or maybe Kean just completely disregarded his instructions, I havent got a clue, but I dont believe it was just to waste time.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: van der Meyde on December 15, 2019, 10:13:25 PM
I think great management would pay more heed to the next 5 years than the next 5 minutes personally.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 15, 2019, 10:13:57 PM
"I am concerned with what the fans will think, I'll keep the lad on"

"Nope, I'm the manager, I'll take him off"

 I'm with you, Dunc
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Alanvideo on December 15, 2019, 10:22:24 PM
In Dunc we trust .
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Old England Toffee on December 15, 2019, 10:25:27 PM
"I am concerned with what the fans will think, I'll keep the lad on"

"Nope, I'm the manager, I'll take him off"

 I'm with you, Dunc
He had given the ball away a few times and a freekick. I guess ferguson had said, keep the ball, no risky passes etc. Right decision but now he has to finish the job and have a constructive chat with him tomorrow. As I keep saying recently fergusons personality is bang on, fierce, passionate, no prisoners, but at the same time youve seen him be a father figure for DCL, Davies and the ball boys haha
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 15, 2019, 10:27:08 PM
It wasn't to waste time.
But being a grown up, he's not wanted to actually say he'd hooked a kid for disobeying the game plan.

No player, no matter how fragile his ego, is above the team.
If you don't do what you're told then you get dragged off.

Kean should be given the Leicester game to show he's learned a lesson. If he hasn't then he should never be seen again.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on December 15, 2019, 10:28:24 PM
It wasn't to waste time.
But being a grown up, he's not wanted to actually say he'd hooked a kid for disobeying the game plan.

No player, no matter how fragile his ego, is above the team.
If you don't do what you're told then you get dragged off.

Kean should be given the Leicester game to show he's learned a lesson. If he hasn't then he should never be seen again.

More concerned about Duncan's ego than Kean's after that, personally.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 15, 2019, 10:30:14 PM
Only thing I can honestly think of was that he racked up 3 fouls in 18 minutes. Even then, I just think it sent a very poor message. Dunc knows what the expectations around the kid are and have been. There's just no way leaving him on was going to cost us a point. There are 10 other guys on the pitch.

Short-term he "preserved" the point (I guess).
Long-term he's further reduced the confidence of a young talent who we have those high expectations for.

Have we gotten so desperate for success that we don't see the forest for the trees anymore? Mind-boggling IMO.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on December 15, 2019, 10:32:30 PM
If it was purely tactical, I hope Ferguson has told him that he's starting against Leicester.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 15, 2019, 10:35:01 PM
Kean clearly hadn't done what Dunc told him to do, and Dunc's creating a team that will die for each other on the pitch... Hauled him off to make sure we gotta point.

For me that's great management,no passengers allowed, play for the team or you'll get taken off regardless of if you've just come on

This.

9 touches
1/4 passes complete
0/5 duals won
3 fouls conceded.
Had to be told by Richarlison where he was meant to be playing
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 15, 2019, 10:37:36 PM
This.

9 touches
1/4 passes complete
0/5 duals won
3 fouls conceded.
Had to be told by Richarlison where he was meant to be playing

Probably because he doesnít speak Glaswegian
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 15, 2019, 10:38:17 PM
I remember Howard Kendall subbing Paul Wilkinson not long after he had sent him on in the 1986 Charity Shield against Liverpool at Wembley in front of nearly 100,000

In good company, Dunc

And Moise!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 15, 2019, 10:41:15 PM
If it was purely tactical, I hope Ferguson has told him that he's starting against Leicester.

What a ridiculous statement.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on December 15, 2019, 10:45:32 PM
What a ridiculous statement.

Why's that?

With the amount of injuries we have there's bound to be some rotation for the cup game, and Kean would be an obvious starter against Leicester irrespective of what happened today.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on December 15, 2019, 10:46:46 PM
This.

9 touches
1/4 passes complete
0/5 duals won
3 fouls conceded.
Had to be told by Richarlison where he was meant to be playing
Noticed that with Richarlison. Kean seemed to think he was playing on the left. Also saw it at one of the corners where Kean had no idea where he was meant to be. Not sure if Dunc tried to explain it to him or didn't think it was worth explaining before hauling him off.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 15, 2019, 10:48:52 PM
He had given the ball away a few times and a freekick. I guess ferguson had said, keep the ball, no risky passes etc. Right decision but now he has to finish the job and have a constructive chat with him tomorrow. As I keep saying recently fergusons personality is bang on, fierce, passionate, no prisoners, but at the same time youve seen him be a father figure for DCL, Davies and the ball boys haha

Closing down too I reckon, Niasse looked much more like he was closing down fast and pressing... Was quite noticeable how much more pressure on the ball there was once he came in for Kean
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 15, 2019, 10:49:38 PM
This.

9 touches
1/4 passes complete
0/5 duals won
3 fouls conceded.
Had to be told by Richarlison where he was meant to be playing

Not sure where you got those numbers from tbh

9 touches
2/4 passing
2 ball recoveries
0/2 aerial duels

None of our forwards were getting touches during that final 30' so what was expected exactly?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on December 15, 2019, 10:50:14 PM
Why's that?

With the amount of injuries we have there's bound to be some rotation for the cup game, and Kean would be an obvious starter against Leicester irrespective of what happened today.

Starting instead of who though? DCL is in great form and Richarlison is arguably our best player. The cup is our best chance of silverware this year, we should be playing our best team from now on.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 15, 2019, 10:52:50 PM
Not sure where you got those numbers from tbh

9 touches
2/4 passing
2 ball recoveries
0/2 aerial duels

None of our forwards were getting touches during that final 30' so what was expected exactly?

Him to play in the position and with the intensity the manager asked of him? Your obsession with Kean is borderline weird. If it was Tom Davies brought on and ragged off not one person would bat an eyelid.

Peopleís intrigue and willingness of kean to come good is blinding to everyone. Heís obviously not doing something right as thats two managers now who donít seem to fancy him, even playing with 2 up top
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on December 15, 2019, 10:53:19 PM
Proper divisive one this innit?

Those who prefer more old school, traditional values seem to like it and want to justify it.

And the tree-hugging, vegetarian, snowflake millennials are a bit less enamoured.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gash on December 15, 2019, 10:54:35 PM
Starting instead of who though? DCL is in great form and Richarlison is arguably our best player. The cup is our best chance of silverware this year, we should be playing our best team from now on.

The position we're in, the injuries we've got and the fixtures over the next few weeks mean we need to rotate if possible. We all want a cup but after the intensity of the last couple of games we can't just keep playing the same players every game.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 15, 2019, 10:55:42 PM
Him to play in the position and with the intensity the manager asked of him? Your obsession with Kean is borderline weird. If it was Tom Davies brought on and ragged off not one person would bat an eyelid.

Peopleís intrigue and willingness of kean to come good is blinding to everyone. Heís obviously not doing something right as thats two managers now who donít seem to fancy him, even playing with 2 up top

Any player dragged off after 18 minutes would raise eyebrows
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on December 15, 2019, 10:56:53 PM
Starting instead of who though? DCL is in great form and Richarlison is arguably our best player. The cup is our best chance of silverware this year, we should be playing our best team from now on.

If it wasn't for the long list of injuries, and the amount of games we've got over the next 3 weeks I would agree.

I'm not sure flogging DCL and Richarlison for every one of these games is a wise idea, especially when we're only 3 points above the relegation zone.

Not to mention the fact that Kean is actually very highly rated and clearly needs some game time.

I'm not asking for the U18's strikers to play against Leicester. I'm asking for a highly rated £25m Italian international to play.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 15, 2019, 10:57:40 PM
Him to play in the position and with the intensity the manager asked of him? Your obsession with Kean is borderline weird. If it was Tom Davies brought on and ragged off not one person would bat an eyelid.

Peopleís intrigue and willingness of kean to come good is blinding to everyone. Heís obviously not doing something right as thats two managers now who donít seem to fancy him, even playing with 2 up top

It's not obsession, it's knowing how you treat a young, talented investment. What actually is weird are those finding any possible reason to slag Kean off while also thinking Dunc is actually a manager beyond the next 1-2 games.

There's nothing obvious about what Kean is doing, and it's strange that you'd consider Silva's (alleged) insight as proof, considering nothing else he did was met with warm belief.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 15, 2019, 10:58:07 PM
Any player dragged off after 18 minutes would raise eyebrows

Raise eyebrows yes definitely. But not the backlash this has received
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 15, 2019, 10:58:32 PM
Proper divisive one this innit?

Those who prefer more old school, traditional values seem to like it and want to justify it.

And the tree-hugging, vegetarian, snowflake millennials are a bit less enamoured.

Those are weird choices lol. Is there a third?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 15, 2019, 11:02:57 PM
It's not obsession, it's knowing how you treat a young, talented investment. What actually is weird are those finding any possible reason to slag Kean off while also thinking Dunc is actually a manager beyond the next 1-2 games.

There's nothing obvious about what Kean is doing, and it's strange that you'd consider Silva's (alleged) insight as proof, considering nothing else he did was met with warm belief.

Youíve been crying for DCL to be dropped for him since Kean came in, on the back of YouTube clips youíve seen of him. Nobody has even said anything really negative about Kean. Today was harsh on him but if heís not following instruction thatís how it should be. You need out of this Kean bubble. Once he starts showing something he will get his time
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 15, 2019, 11:03:55 PM
The fact Dunc didn't even look at him when he came off just goes to show how fuming he was with him not doing what'd been asked of him.

Dunc hugs DCL, Davis etc because they'll give everything on the pitch, so it shows if you give your all he'll show appreciation... Not even looking at the player you've hooked off after 18 mins says everything about what Kean didn't do that had been asked of him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 15, 2019, 11:07:00 PM
Raise eyebrows yes definitely. But not the backlash this has received

I think it wouldnít be far off. But come on - this is a player of quite a substantial investment who hasnít really had a chance yet, for whatever reason, with a TV audience of millions watching. Amateur hour
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: van der Meyde on December 15, 2019, 11:12:06 PM
It's not even the taking him off that's the issue for me.

I mean, it's the 88th minute, I wouldn't do it. You risk too much for the sake of a point - you risk destroying a relationship, you risk destroying confidence, you potentially even risk £millions if you try to cut your losses.

But fine, if you're gonna do it. If you're determined to do it and show who's boss - despite the fact that it's not gonna be you in 2 weeks' time - don't blank him ffs. Try and salvage something from the situation.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 15, 2019, 11:12:28 PM
Youíve been crying for DCL to be dropped for him since Kean came in, on the back of YouTube clips youíve seen of him. Nobody has even said anything really negative about Kean. Today was harsh on him but if heís not following instruction thatís how it should be. You need out of this Kean bubble. Once he starts showing something he will get his time

I've been extremely behind DCL since he's really stepped up his game. I can continue to support him, as well as want Kean to get actual minutes consistently so a proper evaluation can be made. At the same time even!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on December 15, 2019, 11:21:27 PM
If it wasn't for the long list of injuries, and the amount of games we've got over the next 3 weeks I would agree.

I'm not sure flogging DCL and Richarlison for every one of these games is a wise idea, especially when we're only 3 points above the relegation zone.

Not to mention the fact that Kean is actually very highly rated and clearly needs some game time.

I'm not asking for the U18's strikers to play against Leicester. I'm asking for a highly rated £25m Italian international to play.
Not arguing with you that we will need to freshen up the team at some point and I'm sure Kean can put in a performance. I'd just rather we did it after the Leicester game.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on December 15, 2019, 11:23:46 PM
Those are weird choices lol. Is there a third?

Nope, just them two.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on December 15, 2019, 11:25:53 PM
It's not even the taking him off that's the issue for me.

I mean, it's the 88th minute, I wouldn't do it. You risk too much for the sake of a point - you risk destroying a relationship, you risk destroying confidence, you potentially even risk £millions if you try to cut your losses.

But fine, if you're gonna do it. If you're determined to do it and show who's boss - despite the fact that it's not gonna be you in 2 weeks' time - don't blank him ffs. Try and salvage something from the situation.
After reading Ferguson's comments about his emotions during the Chelsea game, I don't think Dunc was thinking beyond the next minute at any point during this match.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 15, 2019, 11:27:45 PM
After reading Ferguson's comments about his emotions during the Chelsea game, I don't think Dunc was thinking beyond the next minute at any point during this match.

Which for an interim manager is what you would expect
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: van der Meyde on December 15, 2019, 11:27:58 PM
After reading Ferguson's comments about his emotions during the Chelsea game, I don't think Dunc was thinking beyond the next minute at any point during this match.
Deffo true!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on December 15, 2019, 11:28:19 PM
Letís see how Kean reacts to the sub. If he is in the team or subs bench at all for the next game will be telling.

He has one of two options. Sulk or fight back and earn his place in the squad.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 15, 2019, 11:28:56 PM
Nope, just them two.

Well, shit then. Generationally, I should be old school. But I'm not a tree-hugging vegan either. I don't know what to do.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on December 15, 2019, 11:32:16 PM
Iím a big fan of Dunc but Itís a bit rich from him, treating a lad like that when he so often let his temper and lack of discipline hurt the team in the past.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: boothill on December 15, 2019, 11:33:32 PM
I didnt know you were a veggie BD
Proper divisive one this innit?

Those who prefer more old school, traditional values seem to like it and want to justify it.

And the tree-hugging, vegetarian, snowflake millennials are a bit less enamoured.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heath on December 15, 2019, 11:38:16 PM
I want to see Kean given the chance to succeed at Everton, but I was happy to see Ferguson having balls to hook the lad against Utd having only brought him on 19mins or so earlier.

Not sure if there was a communication problem between manager and player, but Kean looked confused as soon as he came on the field, with Richarlison and Dominic Calvert-Lewin having to have a word with him. Also, he didn't appear as involved as he's been in his previous appearances as sub; maybe the pace threw him a bit. Then he gives away a couple of freekicks due to his 'over-enthusiastic' tackling. Getting the lad off the pitch was the right thing to do. Having a long talk with him will be the next.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on December 15, 2019, 11:38:35 PM
There is a deeply pessimistic part of me that thinks Kean would be not be getting half the shit he is getting on social media if he were white.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on December 15, 2019, 11:38:57 PM
Which for an interim manager is what you would expect
Don't think its just a question of him being interim manager. I don't think Dunc has the experience to detach himself emotionally from the match in order to think ahead. He just reacts to what he sees. Probably one of the reasons he admits that he is not the right man for the job yet.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 15, 2019, 11:50:26 PM
I think it was a bit naive by Dunc, i believe it was just to waste time as he alluded to in the interview, he's too honest and would've said if he wasn't following orders. For that reason I think it's a terrible decision, there's a way to do things and basically humiliating one of the biggest prospects in world football when the game is being broadcast internationally isn't the way to do it, these are the type of player we want to be attracting, but if I was one of those I'd be giving us the swerve if that's the way we treat people.
Dunc has done well so far, but that wasn't his greatest moment imo

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: 74Blue on December 15, 2019, 11:52:36 PM
Iím a big fan of Dunc but Itís a bit rich from him, treating a lad like that when he so often let his temper and lack of discipline hurt the team in the past.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 15, 2019, 11:53:10 PM
I think it was a bit naive by Dunc, i believe it was just to waste time as he alluded to in the interview, he's too honest and would've said if he wasn't following orders. For that reason I think it's a terrible decision, there's a way to do things and basically humiliating one of the biggest prospects in world football when the game is being broadcast internationally isn't the way to do it, these are the type of player we want to be attracting, but if I was one of those I'd be giving us the swerve if that's the way we treat people.
Dunc has done well so far, but that wasn't his greatest moment imo

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What'd you do with the read Waltzer? :woohoo:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: van der Meyde on December 15, 2019, 11:56:43 PM
Now saying he wasnít up to the pace...

https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1206267317979615232
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 12:00:07 AM
Echo player ratings gave Kean a 6.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 16, 2019, 12:05:28 AM
DF: ďIt was no slight on Moise Kean. It was a bit unfair of him to play him on the right - itís not his position. He struggled to get to the speed of the game.Ē

Taking some ownership here.

He certainly wasnít playing on the right and our shape completely went when he came on so the whole thing lies with Ferguson.

It wasnít great management at all.

Apparently Tosun stormed down the tunnel as well.

 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 16, 2019, 12:06:41 AM
I think it was a bit naive by Dunc, i believe it was just to waste time as he alluded to in the interview, he's too honest and would've said if he wasn't following orders. For that reason I think it's a terrible decision, there's a way to do things and basically humiliating one of the biggest prospects in world football when the game is being broadcast internationally isn't the way to do it, these are the type of player we want to be attracting, but if I was one of those I'd be giving us the swerve if that's the way we treat people.
Dunc has done well so far, but that wasn't his greatest moment imo

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One of the biggest prospects in world football?
Don't be daft.

I think he will be good, but if he was one if the biggest prospects in world football then he wouldn't have been signed by us.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 16, 2019, 12:10:20 AM
DF: "It was no slight on Moise Kean. It was a bit unfair of him to play him on the right - it's not his position. He struggled to get to the speed of the game.Ē

Taking some ownership here.

He certainly wasn't playing on the right and our shape completely went when he came on so the whole thing lies with Ferguson.

It wasn't great management at all.

Apparently Tosun stormed down the tunnel as well.
I can't blame either of them, you take off Kean after 19 minutes is terrible but when it's for Niasse it's like rubbing salt in the wound. Same for Tosun, basically saying Niasse is ahead of you in the pecking order is basically telling him he can't play football!

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 16, 2019, 12:11:43 AM
One of the biggest prospects in world football?
Don't be daft.

I think he will be good, but if he was one if the biggest prospects in world football then he wouldn't have been signed by us.
He is and was one of the biggest prospects in world football and we did well to get him. I'll stand by that all day

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on December 16, 2019, 12:13:55 AM
Yeah, I completely get why Tosun was pissed off like
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on December 16, 2019, 12:17:14 AM

Apparently Tosun stormed down the tunnel as well.

 

Could be wrong here, but that may be more to do with the fact that Niasse came on instead oh him, rather than Kean being taken off.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 12:24:24 AM
One of the biggest prospects in world football?
Don't be daft.

I think he will be good, but if he was one if the biggest prospects in world football then he wouldn't have been signed by us.

He was on 100% of the top 20 under-21 players in the world lists, and was one of 10 up for the Kopa Trophy (under 21 Ballon d'Or), so really, what are you talking about, mate?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on December 16, 2019, 12:26:58 AM
I can't blame either of them, you take off Kean after 19 minutes is terrible but when it's for Niasse it's like rubbing salt in the wound. Same for Tosun, basically saying Niasse is ahead of you in the pecking order is basically telling him he can't play football!

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Can't agree with this. We were being swamped by Utd and Ferguson wanted someone who could press aggressively and bully their defense. The plan was to just launch the ball up from defence and hope someone up top could make it stick. That is not Tosun or Kean's game. I thought we played better with Niasse up top and in hindsight could say that he should have come on instead of Kean.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lazarou on December 16, 2019, 12:31:09 AM
Dunc called it as he saw it, added to the fact that he lives every moment of the match, a manager with a grand total of 2 matches under his belt. I am sure he will think he could have handled it better.

I hope Kean comes back and digs in, and realises what it takes to succeed here.

I struggle to see how any manager could have done better than Dunc.

We were terrible less than 2 weeks ago, now we have 4 points from nowhere, with hardly any players available.

Dunc has bossed it.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: cantoffee on December 16, 2019, 12:33:14 AM
Yeah, I completely get why Tosun was pissed off like
My feeling was that Niasse has some actually pace so a long ball over the top he can put them under some pressure. He won a throw deep in the United half as a result of that pressure on Lindelof.

Tosun is generally poor physically (very slow, not particularly strong). That was probably Dunc's thinking.

Not fussed though, think we should be selling Tosun in Jan if possible. Niasse as well mind you.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 12:36:09 AM
My feeling was that Niasse has some actually pace so a long ball over the top he can put them under some pressure. He won a throw deep in the United half as a result of that pressure on Lindelof.

Tosun is generally poor physically (very slow, not particularly strong). That was probably Dunc's thinking.

Not fussed though, think we should be selling Tosun in Jan if possible. Niasse as well mind you.

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Selling both, using the money to get Poulsen from Leipzig (or maybe taking another crack at Dembele), and throwing Richarlison, DCL, and either of those guys out there as a proper front 3 (allowing Kean to learn from 2 more quality players who are 3-5 years older than him) is the stuff dreams are made of.

I have strange dreams.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 16, 2019, 12:36:20 AM
He was on 100% of the top 20 under-21 players in the world lists, and was one of 10 up for the Kopa Trophy (under 21 Ballon d'Or), so really, what are you talking about, mate?

Funny how one of the biggest prospects in world football didn't go to any of the biggest clubs in world football and wasn't wanted by Juventus.

I'm not saying he's shit btw, I'm saying I think he'll be a good player, but I'm not convinced he's going to be an elite player. However, like you, I haven't seen enough of him, so who knows.

I've already said I didnt like him being subbed, but to think that is going to stop players coming to the club (which is what Waltz said) I think is bollocks.

Even if we want to pretend he is the best prospect in the world football, no one should think they're above the club and the manager. If he hasn't listened to instructions on the pitch, turns up late for training and has general attitude problems then he can have all the talent in the world but I'd rather not have him at the club.

I didn't like seeing him subbed, it doesn't mean that he shouldn't have been subbed though.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Old England Toffee on December 16, 2019, 12:37:27 AM
Were not gonna know if it was good management of Kean or Tosun until the next few days after Fergusons talked to them and we see their reactions, but can you imagine either of them giving Ferguson any shit. That was always gonna be Fergusons style, 'I make the decisions, sometimes I might get it wrong but you players gotta respect that'. No big deal nothing to see here just a lovely big violent passionate scottish man who loves everton and pigeons
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 16, 2019, 12:38:54 AM
Funny how one of the biggest prospects in world football didn't go to any of the biggest clubs in world football and wasn't wanted by Juventus.

I'm not saying he's shit btw, I'm saying I think he'll be a good player, but I'm not convinced he's going to be an elite player. However, like you, I haven't seen enough of him, so who knows.

I've already said I didnt like him being subbed, but to think that is going to stop players coming to the club (which is what Waltz said) I think is bollocks.

Even if we want to pretend he is the best prospect in the world football, no one should think they're above the club and the manager. If he hasn't listened to instructions on the pitch, turns up late for training and has general attitude problems then he can have all the talent in the world but I'd rather not have him at the club.

I didn't like seeing him subbed, it doesn't mean that he shouldn't have been subbed though.

Juventus had to get rid of him because of an overloaded squad.

Thatís why players like dybala weíre getting offered about.

They didnít want to get rid.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on December 16, 2019, 12:38:55 AM
It's just a shame it had to happen to him.

Put it this way, if it happened to Niasse or Tosun nobody would give a fuck.

Hopefully the situation can be reconciled because he clearly IS a talent.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: nsno on December 16, 2019, 12:40:08 AM
I couldn't care less if keans upset by the decision.  For too long now we have been too sentimental as a club, half the issue with Silva was players not putting a shift in. When kean came on we lost some of the aggressive pressing from the forwards so for me big Dunc did the right thing in pulling him off.

On the flip side maybe it's a rocket up keans arse and he will bang in the winner against Leicester and fire us to the Semi's.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 12:40:52 AM
Funny how one of the biggest prospects in world football didn't go to any of the biggest clubs in world football and wasn't wanted by Juventus.

In not saying he's shit btw, I'm saying I think he'll be a good player, but I'm not convinced he's going to be an elite player. However, like you, I haven't seen enough of him, so who knows.

I've already said I didnt like him being subbed, but to think that is going to stop players coming to the club (which is what Waltz said) I think is bollocks.

Even if we want to pretend he is the best prospect in the world football, no one should think they're above the club and the manager. If he hasn't listened to instructions on the pitch, turns up late for training and has general attitude problems then he can have all the talent in the world but I'd rather not have him at the club.

I didn't like seeing him subbed, it doesn't mean that he shouldn't have been subbed though.

You're still disregarding the actual facts here. This isn't about the sub, but he IS one of the top young talents in the world, end of.

The "why didn't Juventus want him" is a poor, tired objection. If you paid attention to the summer transfer window (besides ours, I mean), you'd know that after failing to move their OTHER 3 strikers (Mandzucic, Dybala, Higuain), coupled with their very public financial issues, you'd realize they HAD to move their own desirable asset. They didn't originally insist on a buy-back clause because they didn't want him.

I couldn't care less about anyone's opinion regarding the sub, they're just that, opinions. But I do care about facts when rating, or slagging someone.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 16, 2019, 12:41:12 AM
Funny how one of the biggest prospects in world football didn't go to any of the biggest clubs in world football and wasn't wanted by Juventus.

I'm not saying he's shit btw, I'm saying I think he'll be a good player, but I'm not convinced he's going to be an elite player. However, like you, I haven't seen enough of him, so who knows.

I've already said I didnt like him being subbed, but to think that is going to stop players coming to the club (which is what Waltz said) I think is bollocks.

Even if we want to pretend he is the best prospect in the world football, no one should think they're above the club and the manager. If he hasn't listened to instructions on the pitch, turns up late for training and has general attitude problems then he can have all the talent in the world but I'd rather not have him at the club.

I didn't like seeing him subbed, it doesn't mean that he shouldn't have been subbed though.
Juve didn't want to sell him, he had a year left on his contract and they had Ronaldo, why do you think it took so long and why they wanted the buy back clause? He may not turn out to be that great, but at the time of getting him he was so highly regarded. Lots of teams wanted him but I think he (his agent) thought the prospect of us with basically no strikers meant he'd do a couple years with us, bang in the goals then move on, similar to Lukaku, that's the reason we got him

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 16, 2019, 12:47:55 AM
You're still disregarding the actual facts here. This isn't about the sub, but he IS one of the top young talents in the world, end of.

The "why didn't Juventus want him" is a poor, tired objection. If you paid attention to the summer transfer window (besides ours, I mean), you'd know that after failing to move their OTHER 3 strikers (Mandzucic, Dybala, Higuain), coupled with their very public financial issues, you'd realize they HAD to move their own desirable asset. They didn't originally insist on a buy-back clause because they didn't want him.

I couldn't care less about anyone's opinion regarding the sub, they're just that, opinions. But I do care about facts when rating, or slagging someone.

So he must have had all the best clubs in world after him? And he chose us.

I think he's talented, I dont think he's going to be some amazing unbelievable player.

In response to your condescending comment to me.
Didnt you start following football about 3 weeks ago?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 12:52:32 AM
So he must have had all the best clubs in world after him? And he chose us.

I think he's talented, I dont think he's going to be some amazing unbelievable player.

In response to your condescending comment to me.
Didnt you start following football about 3 weeks ago?

What condescending comment? I've pointed out and cited facts, and you're getting all upset about them.

Yes, 3 weeks ago, glad you remembered! Why are there ties and no playoffs? Mad, that.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on December 16, 2019, 12:57:07 AM
He was on 100% of the top 20 under-21 players in the world lists, and was one of 10 up for the Kopa Trophy (under 21 Ballon d'Or), so really, what are you talking about, mate?

Good to see whole swathes of our fan base have given up on him already. We are a fucking weird bunch.

Let's get rid and give Niasse a new contract as he runs like a puppy.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 01:00:59 AM
Good to see whole swathes of our fan base have given up on him already. We are a fucking weird bunch.

Haven't you heard? He's a flop that no one wants and we got stuck with him. Try to keep up, lad.

(now that was condescending, Dunc)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 16, 2019, 01:01:03 AM
DF: "It was no slight on Moise Kean. It was a bit unfair of him to play him on the right - it's not his position. He struggled to get to the speed of the game.Ē

Taking some ownership here.

He certainly wasn't playing on the right and our shape completely went when he came on so the whole thing lies with Ferguson.

It wasn't great management at all.

Apparently Tosun stormed down the tunnel as well.
Get in the bin


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 16, 2019, 01:04:58 AM
What condescending comment? I've pointed out and cited facts, and you're getting all upset about them.

Yes, 3 weeks ago, glad you remembered! Why are there ties and no playoffs? Mad, that.
You're citing other peoples opinions.

Ye it was a shitty comment by me, but lets be honest you've made shitty comments about women, mental health and people with autism over the last few weeks, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

To say he's the biggest prospect in world football would suggest that he is going to go on to be the best player in world football, I don't see that yet, however I've admitted I've not seen enough of him.

It appears that the coaches and different managers we've had since the start of the season are also not seeing that.

Let's hope he turns it all round and turns into an amazing player.
 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on December 16, 2019, 01:05:54 AM
Let's try him up top alongside DCL. Looks suited to that role.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on December 16, 2019, 01:07:50 AM
Probably because he doesnít speak Glaswegian

Exactly what I said. That and trying to get those ideas across in a loud football stadium. Maybe communicate these ideas and instructions before the game, because he looked confused on the touchline and when he came on the pitch.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on December 16, 2019, 01:09:56 AM
Bet Souness will be loving this 😂

He'll be twisting it into all sorts.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 16, 2019, 01:10:08 AM
Oh fuck off, we now jumping on the Tosun grievance train now as well? After slating him as someone whoís not good enough to wear the shirt for most of his time here.

Some of you lot need to have a word with yourselves. Love the drama.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 16, 2019, 01:11:48 AM
Exactly what I said. That and trying to get those ideas across in a loud football stadium. Maybe communicate these ideas and instructions before the game, because he looked confused on the touchline and when he came on the pitch.
Any Italian speakers in the squad? Maybe Digne from his time at Roma?


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Martip on December 16, 2019, 01:13:22 AM
Personally I can understand Niasse coming on to stretch them as he is a grafter. The fook is Tosun getting egged up about ? Not exactly mobile for such a stretched game  :headbang:.

 Not so keen on the Kean treatment though.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 01:14:44 AM
You're citing other peoples opinions.

Ye it was a shitty comment by me, but lets be honest you've made shitty comments about women, mental health and people with autism over the last few weeks, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

To say he's the biggest prospect in world football would suggest that he is going to go on to be the best player in world football, I don't see that yet, however I've admitted I've not seen enough of him.

It appears that the coaches and different managers we've had since the start of the season are also not seeing that.

Let's hope he turns it all round and turns into an amazing player.

Fair shout at the end there.

But FFS stop with the shitty comments bit. I've explained them all very clearly, and am diagnosed bipolar and been very open about the anti-anxiety/depression meds I take. It isn't my fault that humor doesn't translate across the pond.

Now cheers, and let's get a result this week. Maybe Kean will score a brace :cheers:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 16, 2019, 01:17:55 AM
Get in the bin


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Me?

For what exactly?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on December 16, 2019, 01:19:47 AM
Exactly what I said. That and trying to get those ideas across in a loud football stadium. Maybe communicate these ideas and instructions before the game, because he looked confused on the touchline and when he came on the pitch.
He didn't seem to know what he was being asked to do. Greenwood seemed to go through half the Utd playbook before he came on. Did we not do this with Kean? Has Ferguson not had time to print his playbook out yet?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 01:27:33 AM
He didn't seem to know what he was being asked to do. Greenwood seemed to go through half the Utd playbook before he came on. Did we not do this with Kean? Has Ferguson not had time to print his playbook out yet?

How much room in a book would Ďget behind the fucking ball and welly the wee English bastardsí take up?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 01:30:25 AM
In the bin? For saying it wasn't great management, Ram

DF realised playing him was looking risky - and then took action. Rectified the situation - good management
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 16, 2019, 01:36:55 AM
In the bin? For saying it wasn't great management, Ram

DF realised playing him was looking risky - and then took action. Rectified the situation - good management

Fair enough. I disagree and Iím not going to bounce round the forum telling people to get in the bin like a 5 year old because of it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 16, 2019, 01:37:03 AM
Find it hard to be arsed about the situation really. He's obviously been hauled off because he's not doing the job he's being asked to do.

Could it have been done better? Yea, probably. Is it worthy of all this faux outrage? Nah.

Team > players at the end of the day. Do your job and this doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 01:43:07 AM
Find it hard to be arsed about the situation really. He's obviously been hauled off because he's not doing the job he's being asked to do.

Could it have been done better? Yea, probably. Is it worthy of all this faux outrage? Nah.

Team > players at the end of the day. Do your job and this doesn't happen.

Even as a devoted Kean lover, you are correct. In the immortal words of Herb Brooks (USA hockey coach for the "Miracle on Ice" in the 1980 Olympics), "The name on the front of the jersey is more important than the name on the back."
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 16, 2019, 01:44:10 AM
Even as a devoted Kean lover, you are correct. In the immortal words of Herb Brooks (USA hockey coach for the "Miracle on Ice" in the 1980 Olympics), "The name on the front of the jersey is more important than the name on the back."

Play for the name on the front and they'll remember the name on the back.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on December 16, 2019, 01:57:31 AM
https://twitter.com/anthonygordon59/status/1206282765399920641
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: fubarruk on December 16, 2019, 02:14:50 AM
He was blowing out of his arse 10mins after coming on and couldn't keep up with Luke Shaw and chase him back, at 20 years old?? Baines at 35 came on and held his own against James for an hour.

If the lad has a fitness or attitude problem then fuck him off, the question should really be if he deserved to be on in the first place?

For all this amazing potential he has hes done nothing so far in an Everton shirt to convince me he's any better than any of the other youngsters in the squad, all of which would take a hard lesson if ones required.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: phillyt on December 16, 2019, 02:34:13 AM
He was blowing out of his arse 10mins after coming on and couldn't keep up with Luke Shaw and chase him back, at 20 years old?? Baines at 35 came on and held his own against James for an hour.

If the lad has a fitness or attitude problem then fuck him off, the question should really be if he deserved to be on in the first place?

For all this amazing potential he has hes done nothing so far in an Everton shirt to convince me he's any better than any of the other youngsters in the squad, all of which would take a hard lesson if ones required.

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I was watching on my phone and didnít notice the fact he was knackered after one run. I know we have not seen too much of him but what we have seen didnít suggest an overall fitness problem. Could it be plausible to say he may have this bug/illness going around the club. I noticed Ferguson coughing a couple of times on the touch line. Doesnít explain the blanking of him mind.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: fubarruk on December 16, 2019, 02:40:53 AM
I was watching on my phone and didn't notice the fact he was knackered after one run. I know we have not seen too much of him but what we have seen didn't suggest an overall fitness problem. Could it be plausible to say he may have this bug/illness going around the club. I noticed Ferguson coughing a couple of times on the touch line. Doesn't explain the blanking of him mind.
The blanking of him was clearly due to not doing what was asked/expected of him.

No issue with him dragging him off, the real question should be whether he was the right person to bring on in the first place, even if we give him the benefit of the doubt and he was also struggling a little through sickness?

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Silas on December 16, 2019, 02:45:12 AM
Blanking anyone as an adult is pretty childish to be honest, especially if they are essentially your employee
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 16, 2019, 05:28:11 AM
Was he injured?

Just seen on motd we had an attack, he was lumbering slowly up in support, looked ridiculously out of shape or carrying a knock  ???
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on December 16, 2019, 05:54:37 AM
What the actual fuck?

That might be acceptable in the U23's with 600 watching and no TV cameras...

Fuck me. What's he done?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 16, 2019, 06:48:22 AM
How many times did we see points go down the pan when Silva stuck with things not working? Yes the lad had just come on but if he wasn't doing what he should have been then Ferguson did the right thing and possibly saved the point, unorthodox? maybe, but better that than conceding through a player not doing what he was put on to do.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 16, 2019, 07:02:43 AM
Said it since a few games into the season that he was a flop. Unfortunately being proven right.

I got hammered for saying this as it wasnt part of the bandwagon yet now Big Dunc subs hin it's ok to day he cant hack it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on December 16, 2019, 07:09:24 AM
So it was much ado about nothing then. Ferguson will talk to him and he was struggling to do as instructed.

Not the first player to be a sub who is subbed and wonít be the last. The lad will learn from it and hopefully be better because of it.

Not a big deal some have turned this into.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 16, 2019, 07:16:37 AM
Just a storm in a Jock Strap..
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Fynci on December 16, 2019, 08:22:10 AM
Really want him to succeed, but itís all starting to look a bit Sandro at the minute.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 16, 2019, 08:33:06 AM
Said it since a few games into the season that he was a flop. Unfortunately being proven right.

I got hammered for saying this as it wasnt part of the bandwagon yet now Big Dunc subs hin it's ok to day he cant hack it.

Me me me. Wah wah wah.

Shut up.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: cantoffee on December 16, 2019, 08:44:37 AM
Said it since a few games into the season that he was a flop. Unfortunately being proven right.

I got hammered for saying this as it wasnt part of the bandwagon yet now Big Dunc subs hin it's ok to day he cant hack it.
Thomas the prophet strikes again.

Fuck off.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brittcop1 on December 16, 2019, 09:51:13 AM
I don't want to give up on him, I want him to start on Wednesday and show us his class. By the same token if this crushes him to the point where there's no way back, instead of bring a huge wake up call, well he's probably going to be the Italian Francis Jeffers
Good to see whole swathes of our fan base have given up on him already. We are a fucking weird bunch.

Let's get rid and give Niasse a new contract as he runs like a puppy.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Trublue on December 16, 2019, 11:17:42 AM
His agent will be on the phone this morning. He'll be gone in January
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on December 16, 2019, 11:39:05 AM
Said it since a few games into the season that he was a flop. Unfortunately being proven right.

I got hammered for saying this as it wasnt part of the bandwagon yet now Big Dunc subs hin it's ok to day he cant hack it.

Fuck off mate.

He's not even had the chance to flop yet.

I'd be interested to know what standard you expected from a young boy from another country and a different league in order to be called a success.

Actually, no I wouldn't. Just cram it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 16, 2019, 02:02:23 PM
Haha I knew some horrid little wanker would be loving that sub yesterday.

Re the sub: Says more about Ferguson than Kean imo. You DO NOT treat a 19yr old learning his trade like that.

Itís hugely unprofessional and speaks volumes about you as a person. Imagine in a workplace context, youíve just been asked to join a meeting with key stakeholders by your line manager, you make a slightly irrelevant point during a conversation 10 mins in. In front of them all your line manager asks you to leave and then blanks you as you pack your things and walk out. Imagine that happening during your formative years.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 02:11:40 PM
Said it since a few games into the season that he was a flop. Unfortunately being proven right.

I got hammered for saying this as it wasnt part of the bandwagon yet now Big Dunc subs hin it's ok to day he cant hack it.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Alanvideo on December 16, 2019, 02:32:37 PM
People saying he's a flop when he's hardly featured is grossly unfair . Hope he starts on Weds  puts in a real shift and scores before being subbed off to huge applause . If anyone ever needed  a confidence boost its him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 16, 2019, 02:47:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Paddy_Boyland/status/1206484103509360641

It wasn't nice to see, but if he's not impressing in training, turning up late etc, then he's given a chance to come on against Utd and he basically just continues the shit attitude and performance, what does he expect will happen?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheTone on December 16, 2019, 02:48:50 PM
don't see him making the bench Weds, hope I'm wrong like

can just imagine him coming in to training today (possibly late) and not being arsed

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 16, 2019, 02:49:08 PM
Haha I knew some horrid little wanker would be loving that sub yesterday.

Re the sub: Says more about Ferguson than Kean imo. You DO NOT treat a 19yr old learning his trade like that.

Itís hugely unprofessional and speaks volumes about you as a person. Imagine in a workplace context, youíve just been asked to join a meeting with key stakeholders by your line manager, you make a slightly irrelevant point during a conversation 10 mins in. In front of them all your line manager asks you to leave and then blanks you as you pack your things and walk out. Imagine that happening during your formative years.

Meh

Pick a different scenario

Youíre a school head, you ask a young, promising teacher to do some last 30mins of exam prep for a class and give them specific topic to do

They spend the first 15mins doing something completely different

Do you just let them meander on doing completely the wrong thing for the rest of the time or step in and get someone more experienced to do it?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Escla on December 16, 2019, 03:00:11 PM
Meh

Pick a different scenario

Youíre a school head, you ask a young, promising teacher to do some last 30mins of exam prep for a class and give them specific topic to do

They spend the first 15mins doing something completely different

Do you just let them meander on doing completely the wrong thing for the rest of the time or step in and get someone more experienced to do it?

I must say, Iím torn between both of these analogies, they both have merit.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 03:04:55 PM
Meh

Pick a different scenario

Youíre a school head, you ask a young, promising teacher to do some last 30mins of exam prep for a class and give them specific topic to do

They spend the first 15mins doing something completely different

Do you just let them meander on doing completely the wrong thing for the rest of the time or step in and get someone more experienced to do it?

Would never happen - you never see the Heads near a classroom
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 16, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
There are many scenarios potentially with  Kean. OK, he's young and in a whole new place in terms of language and culture but the club knows this too.. He'll be supported. In terms of the guy himself, he needs to accept it will take time to settle but if he's struggling he needs to own that and get advice etc on upping his game. If he can work with Dunc he will improve his game without doubt... Being young and rich can be a toxic combo... He needs to show now and understand he gets no quarter because of who he might feel he is, eg New in demand striker from Juve
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 16, 2019, 03:12:32 PM
Haha I knew some horrid little wanker would be loving that sub yesterday.

Re the sub: Says more about Ferguson than Kean imo. You DO NOT treat a 19yr old learning his trade like that.

Itís hugely unprofessional and speaks volumes about you as a person. Imagine in a workplace context, youíve just been asked to join a meeting with key stakeholders by your line manager, you make a slightly irrelevant point during a conversation 10 mins in. In front of them all your line manager asks you to leave and then blanks you as you pack your things and walk out. Imagine that happening during your formative years.

Sometimes it does work. Remember Bad lad's army? They all came with backgrounds, some with major attitudes and they got beasted by the sergeant and targeted for their behaviour.. Some got it more than others but in the end they cried when they left the guy because he'd changed them and improved their lives. Kean's a well paid professional and if he's not doing as asked then he'll have to ask himself why.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 16, 2019, 03:18:22 PM
 Dunc's press conference was pretty revealing I felt... Say's he brought him on to play on the right but then moved him up top with DCL right and then switched him back up top before taking him off.

Basically from this and watching the match it's clear he brought him on to play on the right, he couldn't do it so he moved him up front and DCL right...

Putting DCL right meant we lost all physical presence up top for the long balls we were playing so he had to move him back up front and Kean right side again.

That again wasn't working so he hauled him off and brought on Niasse so we had a presence up top again to cause issues with our long balls out.

You could argue he shouldn't have brought on Kean to play put of position, but the fact is he wasn't doing what was required and despite Dunc switching him up front and he still didn't do it, well he's left with no choice.  Every single player out gave everything for the team, played through pain and played out of position, all for the team... It'd have been awful management to leave him on and lose, for the rest of the team to lose because one player didn't put the effort in.

Should he have blanked him? I think it sent a clear message, but above all else I think Dunc was so fuming it was better then what we would have said.

Like I said every player gave everything they had and more, and then Kean trotts on, doesn't bother and puts a result in real  danger.  It's telling Niasse had far more impact in the few minutes he was on the field then Kean.

Dunc called this one spot on imo, the team is all that matters, not some arrogant 19 year old's ego.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 16, 2019, 03:19:41 PM
Why is he arrogant?

Some badly exposing themselves on this.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 16, 2019, 03:22:54 PM
He clearly wasnít following instructions, or wasn't putting in the shift expected of him, so he got hooked.

Itís really not any more complicated than that.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 16, 2019, 03:30:35 PM
Why is he arrogant?

Some badly exposing themselves on this.

Yeah, people already throwing the lad under the bus just a few months into his time here.

Was always going to happen.

It is possible to think Duncan made the right call, whilst also having sympathy with the lad and his situation.

Itís Duncan Ferguson though. It gets very tribal and aggressive.

I love Duncan Ferguson but that was a very poor call yesterday and will do more damage in the long run
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 16, 2019, 03:31:03 PM
Why is he arrogant?

Some badly exposing themselves on this.

Seems it, turns up late for training, comes on in a tight match where everyone else would die on the pitch for the result and just swans about ignoring the manager's instructions so badly he has to be hauled off.

He seems to think he's better than he is, that he's so good the graft part everyone else put in is beneath him.

He's got an ego that's going to prevent him going from prospect to star if he's not careful, hopefully yesterday was the wake up call he needs
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 16, 2019, 03:31:59 PM
Meh

Pick a different scenario

Youíre a school head, you ask a young, promising teacher to do some last 30mins of exam prep for a class and give them specific topic to do

They spend the first 15mins doing something completely different

Do you just let them meander on doing completely the wrong thing for the rest of the time or step in and get someone more experienced to do it?

So Iím this scenario has a 19yr old PE teacher been asked to exam prep for a business studies class, as Iím led to believe that DF sent on the kid to do a job that isnít within his skill set and then have teammate update him on a change of tactics.

We have a responsibility to develop and protect this asset and fellow human.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 16, 2019, 03:32:51 PM
So proper shouts my dad would make in here. Sad to see.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 16, 2019, 03:35:29 PM
Yeah, people already throwing the lad under the bus just a few months into his time here.

Was always going to happen.

It is possible to think Duncan made the right call, whilst also having sympathy with the lad and his situation.

Itís Duncan Ferguson though. It gets very tribal and aggressive.

I love Duncan Ferguson but that was a very poor call yesterday and will do more damage in the long run

Bad call to take him off? Couldn't disagree more...imagine the feeling in the team if we lost despite them giving everything and more for the team, all because one player just dialed it in after coming off the bench.

Would have ruined the positive spirit Dunc's created... We go fro.two.good results to one win and yet another late defeat, leaving everyone deflated, and worse still players turning against Kean due to it being his fault.

Was it wrong to bring him on in the first place? Probably yes... But once he did he firstly tried to accommodate him by moving him up front, and when it was clear he wasn't doing what was needed still he had no choice to haul him off... The result and moral would have been potentially damaged to the point everyone goes back to how things were under Silva.

It's as a huge call, but the right one for the result and the team moving forward
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 16, 2019, 03:36:13 PM
So proper shouts my dad would make in here. Sad to see.

Anyone else but Duncan Ferguson and it would be a lot different.

Silva got slated when he brought the lad off at half time in the cup. He probably wanted to hook him after 20 minutes but knew the impact that could have.

Whilst the team is playing in Duncanís image at the moment, it also looks like the fans are mirroring his image by being needlessly rough and aggressive towards a young lad whoís having a tough time. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 16, 2019, 03:37:01 PM
Think itís a jump to put it down to arrogance. The lad hasnít had much playing time so when he does come on he just looks a bit lost with what is expected of him in this league.

He looks like he could do with the type of one to one coaching others have had, but maybe itís just not available.

Heís probably a good kid having a tough time and didnít need yesterday but by the same token we canít wrap these kids in cotton wool. If heís resilient heíll bounce back.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 16, 2019, 03:38:12 PM
Bad call to take him off? Couldn't disagree more...imagine the feeling in the team if we lost despite them giving everything and more for the team, all because one player just dialed it in after coming off the bench.

Would have ruined the positive spirit Dunc's created... We go fro.two.good results to one win and yet another late defeat, leaving everyone deflated, and worse still players turning against Kean due to it being his fault.

Was it wrong to bring him on in the first place? Probably yes... But once he did he firstly tried to accommodate him by moving him up front, and when it was clear he wasn't doing what was needed still he had no choice to haul him off... The result and moral would have been potentially damaged to the point everyone goes back to how things were under Silva.

It's as a huge call, but the right one for the result and the team moving forward

I massively disagree.

88 minutes in thereís no need to do what he did. His reaction towards the lads coming off was poor too. Not to mention his comments post match.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 16, 2019, 03:39:03 PM
Yeah, people already throwing the lad under the bus just a few months into his time here.

Was always going to happen.

It is possible to think Duncan made the right call, whilst also having sympathy with the lad and his situation.

Itís Duncan Ferguson though. It gets very tribal and aggressive.

I love Duncan Ferguson but that was a very poor call yesterday and will do more damage in the long run

Agree up until the last sentence. I think it depends on the behind closed doors relationship, which none of us know.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gumpinio on December 16, 2019, 03:39:18 PM
I did not see the game yesterday so obviously did not see Kean's performance.  Can someone explain to me how a forward who is wandering about and not trying manages to commit three fouls in 18 minutes?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 16, 2019, 03:42:50 PM
"he's been late, he's arrogant"

Fucking hell. That's a bit of a leap. No one ever late to things here, no?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 03:49:11 PM
Bad call to take him off? Couldn't disagree more...imagine the feeling in the team if we lost despite them giving everything and more for the team, all because one player just dialed it in after coming off the bench.

Would have ruined the positive spirit Dunc's created... We go fro.two.good results to one win and yet another late defeat, leaving everyone deflated, and worse still players turning against Kean due to it being his fault.

Was it wrong to bring him on in the first place? Probably yes... But once he did he firstly tried to accommodate him by moving him up front, and when it was clear he wasn't doing what was needed still he had no choice to haul him off... The result and moral would have been potentially damaged to the point everyone goes back to how things were under Silva.

It's as a huge call, but the right one for the result and the team moving forward

Full of shit. If he hadnít have been taken off no one would be saying Ďwe should have brought him off.í He wasnt Ali fucking Dia like.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 16, 2019, 03:49:28 PM
I massively disagree.

88 minutes in thereís no need to do what he did. His reaction towards the lads coming off was poor too. Not to mention his comments post match.



You have no idea of we'd have held on though... Manager made a tough call to ensure we got a result and one that continues to build the good moral gained from beating Chelsea.

It's a manager's job to make tough calls, and we got the draw so what he did worked, leaving Kean on may well have lead to a soul destroying late loss.

The problem is people have become so obsessed with the idea of creating the next big name in football they've completely forgotten the basics of actually getting points in a match.

Of course if it'd been Schneiderlin everyone would probably be ok with it, but because it's some kid who might or might not go on to be a top talent it's the end of the world.

Sadly the reality is Kean has done nothing in an Everton shirt yet to suggest he's worth potentially sacrificing a valuable point when 2 points above the relegation Zone and the ensuing dip in team moral and confidence... The team comes first and it always should.  Shame some fans seem more obsessed with fancy foreign kids being on the field more than anything else
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2019, 03:53:30 PM
Absolute shite being posted on here.

Old man in the pub stuff.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 16, 2019, 03:58:38 PM
Anyone else but Duncan Ferguson and it would be a lot different.

Silva got slated when he brought the lad off at half time in the cup. He probably wanted to hook him after 20 minutes but knew the impact that could have.

Whilst the team is playing in Duncanís image at the moment, it also looks like the fans are mirroring his image by being needlessly rough and aggressive towards a young lad whoís having a tough time. 

And Silva got sacked because we were in the relegation zone, so maybe if he'd hauled him off earlier and made more hard decisions he'd still be in a job.

Advocating leaving a player on because our sacked manager did isnt really a ringing endorsement for that argument
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 16, 2019, 04:01:46 PM
So proper shouts my dad would make in here. Sad to see.

Depends if you listen to what he has to say. Sometimes I didn't like what mine said but he was often proved right in the end.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 16, 2019, 04:02:34 PM
He clearly wasnít following instructions, or wasn't putting in the shift expected of him, so he got hooked.

Itís really not any more complicated than that.

Apparently he's allowed to not do want everyone else in the team did to get a result.

You can't carry any passengers, especially when 2 points above the relegation zone... Oh unless they're under 21, foreign and cost a decent wedge. Then it's totally fine even if it means we go on to lose the match, because a 19 year old's ego is more important then the result 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 16, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Absolute shite being posted on here.

Old man in the pub stuff.



The playground doesn't make it wiser.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Picko1975 on December 16, 2019, 04:07:34 PM
Everyone seems to be an expert in what Kean is and what Keasn isn't.

No one on here knows whats going behind closed doors and in training so its all heresay anyway.

Ferguson deemed it fit to bring him off yesterday.  Was that right or not, we probably won't find out for a little while.  If he's shipped off in January then there must be some problem with him but to be honest, we'll probably never find out.  It seems a similar situation than the one with Lookman.  Loads on here said Lookman was brilliant.....well he ain't exactly setting the world alight in Germany is he????  Some players just don't have the right attitude and, I for one, haven't got an issue with getting rid of the ones who don't want to be here.

Let Duncan do his job and lets get behind the team.....we need everyone pulling in the same direction.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheTone on December 16, 2019, 04:15:01 PM
not having the ageism shouts that are becoming a common theme these days
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 16, 2019, 04:15:55 PM
not having the ageism shouts that are becoming a common theme these days

old cunt
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on December 16, 2019, 04:18:22 PM
If he's not cutting it here, then ship him out in January, get our money back.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ramjam on December 16, 2019, 04:36:42 PM
If he's not cutting it here, then ship him out in January, get our money back.
Would we get our money back though?


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 04:37:40 PM
Dunc to have talks with him today, apparently

Nip it in the bud and move on
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 05:16:03 PM
Old man in pub talks shite?

For someone who sticks up for mental illness, that's a pretty cutting remark

Hmmm.............

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
Old man in pub talks shite?

For someone who sticks up for mental illness, that's a pretty cutting remark

Hmmm.............



How is it anything to do with mental illness? You made that link which is damning on you.

Old man in pub shite means reminising of the old days, you know, 'get stuck in, launch it, 442' all that.

But you know that, youre just being difficult.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: phillyt on December 16, 2019, 05:19:54 PM
I really hope that they can sort kean out. From what I have seen he is a raw young player trying to make it in a tough league.
I know we have only seen bits of him but he does not strike me as a lazy ďbad attitudeĒ player on the pitch. In his cameos he has come on and made a difference, if not to results to the approach we have. Think back to the Leicester match 2 weeks ago. How many were up out of their seats when he smashed that shot towards goal thinking and desperately hoping that that was the lads opening goal for us. I think the Norwich match he came on as well and gave the defence something to think about. Comparing him to Sandro is ridiculous and insulting. This boy is a good player. His first touch is a bit poor but he runs at defenders, and he shoots well. He will add more to his game and I think we will regret letting him go. In terms of Duncanís decision yesterday the only thing he, or even one of the coaches should have done is grab him and sat him on the bench or went with him. Even send a physio down with him.

I also donít see kean as an unfit player, the times he has come on he has looked full of energy. To me, given he looked fucked after his first run itís one of two things was up yesterday, he was feeling that bug going around FF or he was hungover after a bit of a sesh the night before.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on December 16, 2019, 05:29:29 PM
some interesting opinions on this here....

I think the first point is being missed....in that DF sees something in the lad to put him on in the first instance....

second point......DF "moving him about"....obviously again DF trying to find a solution to kean not doing what he was instructed to do when first put on....

third point....actually subbing him off......clearly for DF on the touchline it was the right decision at the time in his mind....he makes the decision and sticks to it fair play to him...

Fourth Point...."ignoring the lad"......DF knows the decision is not gonna go down well with the lad..which it obviously didn't....for DF to make an apologetic handshake/hug at that time on the touchline in front of 70k plus in the stadium and a worldwide TV audience would have shown a specific weakness in both his management style and his decision making....for me he did the right thing....

Bottom line for me is twofold....Hopefully KEAN as a young lad learns from the situation.....then accepts it...then works hard to ensure it doesn't happen again...
For DF...he'll know to do the right thing today....get the lad in.. sit him down and have a long chat..THEN put his arms around him.... behind closed doors and out of the spotlight..
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 16, 2019, 05:31:20 PM
How is it anything to do with mental illness? You made that link which is damning on you.

Old man in pub shite means reminising of the old days, you know, 'get stuck in, launch it, 442' all that.

But you know that, youre just being difficult.
Its not how Iíd ideally like to play the game, but thereís nothing wrong with Ďget stuck in, launch it, 442í footy. It won Leicester the league.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2019, 05:34:37 PM
Its not how Iíd ideally like to play the game, but thereís nothing wrong with Ďget stuck in, launch it, 442í footy. It won Leicester the league.


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Again, didnt say there was anything wrong with it. Just that its generally an 'older' persons love of the game being played that way, in my opinion!

It can be exciting and can make the crowd ferocious but it obviously has its major faults too.


Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 16, 2019, 05:40:52 PM
Hope Keans head hasnít gone like some of the posters in here. Yikes

Letís just see what Wednesday brings. I imagine his amount of game time will be an indication of the fallout of this
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on December 16, 2019, 05:42:09 PM
I really hope that they can sort kean out. From what I have seen he is a raw young player trying to make it in a tough league.
I know we have only seen bits of him but he does not strike me as a lazy ďbad attitudeĒ player on the pitch. In his cameos he has come on and made a difference, if not to results to the approach we have. Think back to the Leicester match 2 weeks ago. How many were up out of their seats when he smashed that shot towards goal thinking and desperately hoping that that was the lads opening goal for us. I think the Norwich match he came on as well and gave the defence something to think about. Comparing him to Sandro is ridiculous and insulting. This boy is a good player. His first touch is a bit poor but he runs at defenders, and he shoots well. He will add more to his game and I think we will regret letting him go. In terms of Duncanís decision yesterday the only thing he, or even one of the coaches should have done is grab him and sat him on the bench or went with him. Even send a physio down with him.

I also donít see kean as an unfit player, the times he has come on he has looked full of energy. To me, given he looked fucked after his first run itís one of two things was up yesterday, he was feeling that bug going around FF or he was hungover after a bit of a sesh the night before.

We all want him to make it here. We've been desperate for a quality striker since Lukaku left.

However, he is a 19 year old kid and if he comes on and doesn't do as instructed, despite trying to accommodate him, what else is there to do? To make it at this level takes a huge amount of mental toughness. Every professional player must have that element of mental strength to get as far as they do. He must now draw on that strength and push through that and with the club and even Ferguson's help. I remember being a 19 year old kid and doing something pretty bad at my job. I got bollocked for it, they left me hanging all weekend as to whether I had lost my job or not, and then the following week, gave me the support I needed.

If he wasn't doing what he was supposed to do, how does that set the tone for the rest of the team if you do nothing about it if everything else you have tried to get through to him has failed?

Ferguson has said he'll sit down with him today and explain what happened and we will see if the lad responds to that or not. If not, then he isn't going to succeed here after all. Up to Kean now to respond the right way.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 16, 2019, 05:42:24 PM
Its not how Iíd ideally like to play the game, but thereís nothing wrong with Ďget stuck in, launch it, 442í footy. It won Leicester the league.


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Come on
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 16, 2019, 05:50:14 PM
I'm 32 and I like 442 and them gettin stuck in.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on December 16, 2019, 05:52:10 PM
sadly i'm old enough to remember alf ramsey getting slaughtered for playing 4-4-2 in the 66 world cup...

look how that turned out ?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Polledreng on December 16, 2019, 05:56:42 PM
sadly i'm old enough to remember alf ramsey getting slaughtered for playing 4-4-2 in the 66 world cup...

look how that turned out ?
   lolol    and with a little help from the russians....  looking forward to seeing The Three Musketeers unfold in the coming year - Vladimir, Donald and Boris ....
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 06:02:34 PM
Old man in pub has nothing to do with mental illness

Old and man are the key words

Surprisingly discriminatory for someone who sticks up for being discriminated due to mental illness
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 16, 2019, 06:04:16 PM
Come on
Showing your hand as a bit of purist snob recently mate. I agree with a fair amount of stuff you post and Iíve known you to change your mind and admit youíre wrong - so itís not like your one of the forum cranks. That said, itís like youíd be angry if we won the league playing basic football with someone like Ferguson as manager?


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2019, 06:04:25 PM
Im out.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 16, 2019, 06:14:38 PM
Old man in pub has nothing to do with mental illness

Old and man are the key words

Surprisingly discriminatory for someone who sticks up for being discriminated due to mental illness

Touched a nerve has she? Heard she hates poets too. Have a cry about that, in a rhyme. Tit.

We've all lived with the "youth of today" shouts, and it's no different to the "old man down the pub" shout. It simply highlights a different set of beliefs amongst a fan base, which is often characterised by age and therefore matchgoing experience.

Liking it to mental health taboo is a bit of an underhand cunts trick, but that's not surprising.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 16, 2019, 06:16:30 PM
Showing your hand as a bit of purist snob recently mate. I agree with a fair amount of stuff you post and Iíve known you to change your mind and admit youíre wrong - so itís not like your one of the forum cranks. That said, itís like youíd be angry if we won the league playing basic football with someone like Ferguson as manager?

I think the point was that you're doing Leicester a disservice.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on December 16, 2019, 06:17:14 PM
Apparently he went on without shin pads on yesterday, might speak a bit about the discipline issues that have been mentioned in the past.

I by no means think heís been giving it the big ĎI amí, itís probably just a case of a lad who has bossed it at youth levels due to natural talent and has to adjust to the work rate/discipline side of the game that everyone needs at this level.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on December 16, 2019, 06:19:14 PM
Come on

Iím with you on most things Brap as I like the modern way the game is played, but you only have to look across the park at Liverpool to see what can happen if you combine the modern tactics with die for the shirt spirit.

Weíre aeons away from the former, but thereís no reason we canít achieve the latter and you e already seen the difference it makes.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 16, 2019, 06:20:23 PM
Showing your hand as a bit of purist snob recently mate. I agree with a fair amount of stuff you post and Iíve known you to change your mind and admit youíre wrong - so itís not like your one of the forum cranks. That said, itís like youíd be angry if we won the league playing basic football with someone like Ferguson as manager?


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I just think all those phwoaaar this is Everton this get men behind the ball and get stuck in stuff is mad revisionist shite.

And I'm not talking about Dunc here because he's playing the hand he's dealt and playing it well, I'm talking about fans begging for mediocrity and out dated meat and potatoes tactics.

The sort of people who think we played "tippy tappy" under the last 3 managers and that they've had enough with "fancy foreign" players and managers.

That Leicester title win was the maddest fucking box of frogs title win you'll ever see, and absolutely is not the way to plan your way ahead.

I'm not inherently against any formation really, I am for progress and for results and for Everton football club being better and better and better until we are the best... I don't think harking back to bottom of the league dogs of war is the way to do it, and I certainly don't think the maddest one off in the last 30 years is the way to do it either.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on December 16, 2019, 06:22:38 PM
Old man in pub talks shite?

For someone who sticks up for mental illness, that's a pretty cutting remark

Hmmm.............

Just to be clear, I was trying to quote this not like it.

All this old man/yer da in the pub stuff is a bit of a stereotype, but you know itís not the same as something like mental health.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 16, 2019, 06:26:17 PM
Who'd have thought 4 points from two tough games without a manager, half a squad and without which we'd be sat in the bottom three, would be so divisive. Utter madness on here at times.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on December 16, 2019, 06:34:33 PM
I just think all those phwoaaar this is Everton this get men behind the ball and get stuck in stuff is mad revisionist shite.

And I'm not talking about Dunc here because he's playing the hand he's dealt and playing it well, I'm talking about fans begging for mediocrity and out dated meat and potatoes tactics.

The sort of people who think we played "tippy tappy" under the last 3 managers and that they've had enough with "fancy foreign" players and managers.

That Leicester title win was the maddest fucking box of frogs title win you'll ever see, and absolutely is not the way to plan your way ahead.

I'm not inherently against any formation really, I am for progress and for results and for Everton football club being better and better and better until we are the best... I don't think harking back to bottom of the league dogs of war is the way to do it, and I certainly don't think the maddest one off in the last 30 years is the way to do it either.

I've said it before and i'll say it again....
systems dont make players.....players make systems....

i'd be happy to be the most boring side in the world and win 1-0 every game...playing any system that suited....
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 16, 2019, 06:38:42 PM
I've said it before and i'll say it again....
systems dont make players.....players make systems....

i'd be happy to be the most boring side in the world and win 1-0 every game...playing any system that suited....

I'm sure we all would?

Although that said I can remembe rus being 3-1 up at home and the players getting booed for passing it about the back so you know.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 06:59:43 PM
Being called an old man in the pub can affect mental health

Spread that on your nerves, Jamo
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on December 16, 2019, 07:04:44 PM
Being called an old man in the pub can affect mental health

Spread that on your nerves, Jamo

My bad for trying to reply reasonably to you, I didnít realise you were a bit of a cunt
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 07:08:09 PM
And cunt is stereotyping - unreasonable
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 07:11:44 PM
Old man in pub talks shite?

For someone who sticks up for mental illness, that's a pretty cutting remark

Hmmm.............



You what?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on December 16, 2019, 07:11:47 PM
And cunt is stereotyping - unreasonable

Listen mate, argue the point back and forth, and name call all you want, but it's fucking awful to use someone's mental health issues as a way to score points against them, so why don't you reign it in before you make an even bigger dickhead of yourself than you already have.

Go back to writing shit haiku that nobody likes or understands.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GLewis on December 16, 2019, 07:17:15 PM
I'm sure we all would?

Although that said I can remembe rus being 3-1 up at home and the players getting booed for passing it about the back so you know.

Yes.

Seems the big difference is simply having a manager people like.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 07:19:45 PM
I know a man called Richard Head

Sticks and stones, glasshouses and all that!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 16, 2019, 07:27:41 PM
Yes.

Seems the big difference is simply having a manager people like.

Wonder how many results that would see him through.

I really really don't want to see it turn against him inevitably after results turn, and it is inevitable regardless if what people are thinking at the moment.

He didn't ask for it, he's been vocal that he doesn't think he's ready for it, the club need to pull their fingers out and act soon.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Tinga on December 16, 2019, 07:28:01 PM
No shinnies?
(https://preview.redd.it/p3pepf8p7v441.jpg?width=614&auto=webp&s=f0f3bef0084c601cb172455a706e9abc4f960668)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 07:28:12 PM
Old man in pub has nothing to do with mental illness

Old and man are the key words

Surprisingly discriminatory for someone who sticks up for being discriminated due to mental illness

Kin hell. Stop acting like a ĎGammoní being offended by a Ďsnowflakeí
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 07:31:49 PM
Funny how you have come to the conclusion that I don't have a mental illness?

Waiting for the insults!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on December 16, 2019, 07:37:40 PM
Funny how you have come to the conclusion that I don't have a mental illness?

Waiting for the insults!

Who are you addressing that to?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 07:39:25 PM
Nobody in particular

Would it matter?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kerryblue boy on December 16, 2019, 07:39:33 PM
Anyway to get back to Kean if Ferguson wants to get a reaction from the lad maybe he should start on Wednesday dcl will be flogged to death if we donít rest him soon
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2019, 07:46:08 PM
 :snigger:

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 16, 2019, 07:48:38 PM
Settle down kids.

It's a bit mad that he had no shinnies on. Doesnt seem like something you'd just forget to do.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on December 16, 2019, 07:48:44 PM
Nobody in particular

Would it matter?

I'm yet to meet a person on planet earth who hasn't had mental health problems at some point in their life, whether they'd care to admit it or not. It's just there's a stigma attached to it that for some reason we don't attach to physical health issues.

It's also a bit of a cunt's trick to use if as a point scoring thing though. A few people seem to be throwing Lizz's mental health issues at her on here, in the middle of arguments and it's just not an acceptable thing to do.

Like it's totally fair enough to attack someone opinion and perspective and call that perspective out, but that's not the same as bringing up their mental health.

Does that really need clarifying? I kinda assumed the vast majority of us got that, without needing to go into it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lazarou on December 16, 2019, 07:57:36 PM
:snigger:

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/019/304/old.jpg)

The fluffy bastards are using 4-4-2 as well, philistines.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 08:07:00 PM
People with mental health issues tend to be more sensitive with what they say and more aware of the emotional distress prejudicial treatment can cause

Audrey Horne fires her share of abuse

That surprises me and that is all I said at the beginning

 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 16, 2019, 08:14:01 PM
Anyway to get back to Kean if Ferguson wants to get a reaction from the lad maybe he should start on Wednesday dcl will be flogged to death if we donít rest him soon

Yeah I think both DCL and Richarlison need to be rested for it, bring in Kean and Tosun... DCL can't play every game when he's doing so much work, and that ankle twist Richarlison got in the first half will likely need a few days rest.

If Dunc can get through to him and Kean shows the right attitude over the next few days it could be a good thing long term... Kean knuckles down and then gets the love of the boss the other youngsters are getting right now.

People can question Dunc's man management of Kean, but when not just the senior but also the young players are running through walls for him... Well it suggests there's a reason one player isn't working out, and that's not the boss.

As far as Kean is concerned, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger... If he can bounce back from this it stands him in good stead for the future
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on December 16, 2019, 08:16:03 PM
Surely the fourth official wouldn't let him on the pitch with no* shin pads on?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2019, 08:26:11 PM
People with mental health issues tend to be more sensitive with what they say and more aware of the emotional distress prejudicial treatment can cause

Audrey Horne fires her share of abuse

That surprises me and that is all I said at the beginning

 

And you said i was shooting out stereotypes  lolol
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 08:30:23 PM
Hope Keans head hasnít gone like some of the posters in here. Yikes

Letís just see what Wednesday brings. I imagine his amount of game time will be an indication of the fallout of this

I'm just hoping he makes the squad!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 08:35:57 PM
I rest my case, Audrey!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Escla on December 16, 2019, 08:36:58 PM
And you said i was shooting out stereotypes  lolol

You are acting quite ageist though.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2019, 08:37:48 PM
You are acting quite ageist though.

ffs how ? Anyway im leaving this fucking stupid convo. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
You are acting quite ageist though.

Is she really though? Is ĎOld man down the pub shoutsí as a comment really that offensive? Is it aimed at ĎOld mení or Ďfathersí? Itís a ridiculous thing to get peopleís knickers in a twist really. If we are at that point on here then I think some people are truly lost.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 16, 2019, 08:41:07 PM
You are acting quite ageist though.

I made a comment similar to ďbloke down the pubĒ and that annoying rhymey guy hasnít thrown any mental health bullshit my way.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Escla on December 16, 2019, 09:01:43 PM
Is she really though? Is ĎOld man down the pub shoutsí as a comment really that offensive? Is it aimed at ĎOld mení or Ďfathersí? Itís a ridiculous thing to get peopleís knickers in a twist really. If we are at that point on here then I think some people are truly lost.
Itís a casual observation, one liner, nobody getting their knickers in a twist here, you ?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on December 16, 2019, 09:05:33 PM
I took offence yesterday at OT...

"feed the scousersÖ.let them know it's Christmas time..." they sang out loud....

then charged me £3.75 for a mangy sarnie...Ö

lying manc bstrdsÖ..
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Nicco on December 16, 2019, 09:08:01 PM
No shinnies?
(https://preview.redd.it/p3pepf8p7v441.jpg?width=614&auto=webp&s=f0f3bef0084c601cb172455a706e9abc4f960668)
No wonder he got substituted. Couldn't even remember the shinnies....

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on December 16, 2019, 09:14:56 PM
shin pads are a personal choice not mandatory...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: stirlingblue on December 16, 2019, 09:17:26 PM
shin pads are a personal choice not mandatory...

Yes they are mandatory, under Law 4:


http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-4---the-players-equipment
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2019, 09:21:57 PM
You spoke too soon, Bob

There was an old man called Bob
Who took down the pub for a job
He said "Look at this"
As he went for a piss
"All that mental health shite on my nob"


What's the punishment for not wearing shin pads?

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 09:29:36 PM
You spoke too soon, Bob

There was an old man called Bob
Who took down the pub for a job
He said "Look at this"
As he went for a piss
"All that mental health shite on my nob"


What's the punishment for not wearing shin pads?

Bruised shins?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 09:32:35 PM
Itís a casual observation, one liner, nobody getting their knickers in a twist here, you ?

Donít try and act all casual fella - you are one of the worst for pant twisting.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on December 16, 2019, 09:41:26 PM
Yes they are mandatory, under Law 4:


http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-4---the-players-equipment

I duly stand corrected SB and TBH never realised they were......Thanks for that....nice to learn somethinngÖ.
however, my understanding although "mandatory" players can still choose whether to wear them or not.....most players sensibly do....but I've known players not wear them through choice without any punishment/retribution...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 16, 2019, 09:49:52 PM
I duly stand corrected SB and TBH never realised they were......Thanks for that....nice to learn somethinng….
however, my understanding although "mandatory" players can still choose whether to wear them or not.....most players sensibly do....but I've known players not wear them through choice without any punishment/retribution...

You don't want your expensive signing playing without shinnies on though, it's about as basic as it gets. Not sure it'd be the wisest move if he gets injured in a tackle and he's not wearing any.   
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Escla on December 16, 2019, 09:50:55 PM
Donít try and act all casual fella - you are one of the worst for pant twisting.
It was a casual remark, if you canít understand that fine but donít get offensive, calm down dear.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 10:12:20 PM
It was a casual remark, if you canít understand that fine but donít get offensive, calm down dear.

Always calm dear boy.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: phillyt on December 16, 2019, 10:42:24 PM
We all want him to make it here. We've been desperate for a quality striker since Lukaku left.

However, he is a 19 year old kid and if he comes on and doesn't do as instructed, despite trying to accommodate him, what else is there to do? To make it at this level takes a huge amount of mental toughness. Every professional player must have that element of mental strength to get as far as they do. He must now draw on that strength and push through that and with the club and even Ferguson's help. I remember being a 19 year old kid and doing something pretty bad at my job. I got bollocked for it, they left me hanging all weekend as to whether I had lost my job or not, and then the following week, gave me the support I needed.

If he wasn't doing what he was supposed to do, how does that set the tone for the rest of the team if you do nothing about it if everything else you have tried to get through to him has failed?

Ferguson has said he'll sit down with him today and explain what happened and we will see if the lad responds to that or not. If not, then he isn't going to succeed here after all. Up to Kean now to respond the right way.

I donít disagree with you. I think the manager did the right thing in the game, apart from not acknowledging him as he came off. He did an interview with ped and the other fella and talked about not shaking moyes hand when he was released. He regretted not being the bigger man and I think (hope) he regrets not doing it to kean. I just donít think it helps anyone to ďpick sidesĒ  the whole incident was disappointing on different levels and from different angles.
Just as kean is a young player Ferguson is new to management. I just feel the polar opinions on who is right and who is the victim in this is more damaging than the incident itself. They can both come out of it smelling of roses though if they sort it out today and he either starts/comes on for a decent amount of time and does well on weds.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on December 16, 2019, 10:55:58 PM
Fucking mental in here.

Also - how have people jumped to 'lazy' and 'ego' for not following instructions when the lad has come to a new country, trying to learn English and receiving instructions from someone with a Scottish accent.

Isn't it far more likely that failure to carry out instructions is a failure to understand?

And before anyone says anything about singling out the Scottish - I work with over 100 people who come from over 20 different countries, supporting staff all over the world and strong Scottish accents are one of the most difficult for people learning English to understand straight away. Nothing wrong with that. It's just different.

Now I suggest we all go and have a nice cup of tea and remember that we're all here because we share the same love and this site is what WE make it.

If that sounds patronising... I don't give a fuck - write to Santa. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2019, 10:58:52 PM
Fucking mental in here.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 11:01:10 PM
Fucking mental in here.

Also - how have people jumped to 'lazy' and 'ego' for not following instructions when the lad has come to a new country, trying to learn English and receiving instructions from someone with a Scottish accent.

Isn't it far more likely that failure to carry out instructions is a failure to understand?

And before anyone says anything about singling out the Scottish - I work with over 100 people who come from over 20 different countries, supporting staff all over the world and strong Scottish accents are one of the most difficult for people learning English to understand straight away. Nothing wrong with that. It's just different.

Now I suggest we all go and have a nice cup of tea and remember that we're all here because we share the same love and this site is what WE make it.

If that sounds patronising... I don't give a fuck - write to Santa.

English is the only language I can speak, read, or write, and after watching the 2-part Dunc interviews on ToffeeTV, my only comment was "I wish it had been subtitled." lolol
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cozzie on December 16, 2019, 11:16:49 PM
Wow. 14 new pages since I last checked this thread.

What's happened?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 16, 2019, 11:23:04 PM
I didn't give a fuck when it was happening, but i did feel properly arl arse on him as a person when he was walking off, head hung.

I remember getting sent off in rugby at school once and walking back to the dressing room like that to hide the fact i was trying my hardest not to cry.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hawkandro on December 16, 2019, 11:34:37 PM
Re: Kean not being able to understand Scottish, one of our friends is over from New Zealand and staying at ours for a few days of the trip. She has her 6yo kid with her and I cannot understand a fucking word he says. Sounds like Brad Pitt in Snatch, not Flight of the Conchords.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 11:43:54 PM
Wow. 14 new pages since I last checked this thread.

What's happened?

Basically people yelling at each other.

I didn't give a fuck when it was happening, but i did feel properly arl arse on him as a person when he was walking off, head hung.

I remember getting sent off in rugby at school once and walking back to the dressing room like that to hide the fact i was trying my hardest not to cry.

Fun fact: I still have no idea what 'arl' means.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 16, 2019, 11:45:07 PM
English is the only language I can speak, read, or write, and after watching the 2-part Dunc interviews on ToffeeTV, my only comment was "I wish it had been subtitled." lolol

Youíd be amazed and the different dialects in such a small area compared to the US. Thereís a huge difference between Cardiff and Newport and we are right next to each other.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 16, 2019, 11:46:53 PM
Youíd be amazed and the different dialects in such a small area compared to the US. Thereís a huge difference between Cardiff and Newport and we are right next to each other.

I wouldn't, but only because I've had mild exposure to it. Hell, even in what is considered London proper!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Tinga on December 16, 2019, 11:50:00 PM
Watched the game back and I have to say Kean looked incredibly unfit and just seemed to stroll around the pitch and besides the one pass he played down the line, he didn't do much of note.

I personally wouldn't have taken him off, however if that's what the manager chooses to do to see out the game with a player such as Niasse who admittedly looked more terrier like in his closing out their defense then so be it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gash on December 16, 2019, 11:53:33 PM
I'm Scottish and even I struggle to understand Duncan half the time. :)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on December 17, 2019, 12:01:00 AM
Arl = old
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 17, 2019, 12:05:27 AM
No wonder he got substituted. Couldn't even remember the shinnies....

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 17, 2019, 12:06:27 AM
@YankeeBlue214 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7173) , yeah, I was just worrying that you hadn't had to Google anything today.

Arl is local for old.
Arl fella normally means father when said with a possessive pronoun and just an old man when used on its own.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 17, 2019, 12:09:29 AM
@YankeeBlue214 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7173) , yeah, I was just worrying that you hadn't had to Google anything today.

Arl is local for old.
Arl fella normally means father when said with a possessive pronoun and just an old man when used on its own.

Trust me, googling arl isn't the easiest thing to find an answer on! I couldn't figure out how Association of Research Libraries fit into your sentence.

arl arse, on the other hand, parted the clouds...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2019, 12:12:36 AM
I wouldn't, but only because I've had mild exposure to it. Hell, even in what is considered London proper!

Oh my sweet, summer child
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gumpinio on December 17, 2019, 12:27:55 AM
What was the name of the Venezuelan (maybe Ecuadorian, definitely South American) holding midfielder we briefly had.  He didn't wear shin pads
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 17, 2019, 12:30:11 AM
Is awful to criticise someone in the throw's of a fledgling career at Everton, but good luck for the future Duncan..
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 17, 2019, 12:30:41 AM
What was the name of the Venezuelan (maybe Ecuadorian, definitely South American) holding midfielder we briefly had.  He didn't wear shin pads
Segundo Castillo?

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 17, 2019, 01:01:17 AM
What was the name of the Venezuelan (maybe Ecuadorian, definitely South American) holding midfielder we briefly had.  He didn't wear shin pads

I was going to mention him too... Apparently his legs were too big for them, couldn't get any to fit... not sure of that was just a bit of folklore at the time but if you ever saw pics of his legs they were freakishly muscular
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on December 17, 2019, 01:03:14 AM
What was the name of the Venezuelan (maybe Ecuadorian, definitely South American) holding midfielder we briefly had.  He didn't wear shin pads

Phil Neville
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on December 17, 2019, 01:35:01 AM
In a possibly naÔve attempt to get the thread back on track:

Wasn't Kean linked with Napoli back when we signed him? Good sign for his Everton career if we somehow get Ancelloti and he's always been a fan!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Confucius on December 17, 2019, 01:46:27 AM
I didn't give a fuck when it was happening, but i did feel properly arl arse on him as a person when he was walking off, head hung.

I remember getting sent off in rugby at school once and walking back to the dressing room like that to hide the fact i was trying my hardest not to cry.


Have to know, what did you do? How old were you?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on December 17, 2019, 02:19:13 AM
https://twitter.com/Carra23/status/1206655720013336576?s=19

Cara has analysed the Kean performance and substitution and out the video on his Twitter. Well worth a watch and nudges me into Keans side of the argument a bit more.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Escla on December 17, 2019, 02:50:02 AM
https://twitter.com/Carra23/status/1206655720013336576?s=19

Cara has analysed the Kean performance and substitution and out the video on his Twitter. Well worth a watch and nudges me into Keans side of the argument a bit more.

That analysis vindicates Fergusonís to hook him, the only criticism that remains in my mind is why Ferguson didnít give him a cuddle when he came off, but the decision to hook him, yes 100%
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Crackling on December 17, 2019, 02:54:38 AM
If Kean was a 19 year old from our academy,  from his appearances so far I don't think many would be calling for more game time with us. He'd be another we wanted to be sent on loan.


Actually, if he was a 19 year old from our academy,  unsworth would still be playing niasse ahead of him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 17, 2019, 03:04:37 AM
That analysis vindicates Ferguson's to hook him, the only criticism that remains in my mind is why Ferguson didn't give him a cuddle when he came off, but the decision to hook him, yes 100%
It may well do, but I think it was a massive error in putting him on. Dunc has been training him and talking to him and reviewing his condition all week, if he was in any doubt, which he seemed to be straight away, he shouldn't have brought him on. It was a really poor decision by Dunc on the first place and he compounded it by hauling Kean off. He had seasoned professionals on the bench that would've been more disciplined and he knew that. It might've been the right decision to pull him off, but you've got to question whether it was the right substitution in the first place.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 04:55:56 AM
Me me me. Wah wah wah.

Shut up.

Ok, so you cant fault me then.

Go and find some manners.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 04:56:45 AM
If Kean was a 19 year old from our academy,  from his appearances so far I don't think many would be calling for more game time with us. He'd be another we wanted to be sent on loan.


Actually, if he was a 19 year old from our academy,  unsworth would still be playing niasse ahead of him.

For some people who is their great hope and when they get told it's a fale prophecy they dont like it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 04:57:33 AM
What was the name of the Venezuelan (maybe Ecuadorian, definitely South American) holding midfielder we briefly had.  He didn't wear shin pads

Segundo Castillo
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2019, 04:58:38 AM
For some people who is their great hope and when they get told it's a fale prophecy they dont like it.


Or people might have a teeny weeny bit more patience than our resident super blue
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 05:03:45 AM
Fuck off mate.

He's not even had the chance to flop yet.

I'd be interested to know what standard you expected from a young boy from another country and a different league in order to be called a success.

Actually, no I wouldn't. Just cram it.

Per Kroldrup played one game and flopped after being Serie A defender of the year. Oumar Niasse was being tagged as a lost boy on his debut and out of his debtm

West Ham loaned that Juve forward with a £25m option to buy if he played a certain number of games a couple.of years ago. He was meant to be amazing. He was shite. I am always suspicious of Serie A imports.

When we were doing well in the Premier League around 5th or 6th we signed a lad banging them in at the  bottom for Crystal Palace. AJ wasnt my cup of tea but we didnt turn our noses at him for scoring for an average sign. At least he was proven in the Premier League though.

Answer me this - who is more of a goal threat right now, Calum Wilson, Pukki or even the lad Sheff Utd bought from Bournemouth who scored at Goodison.

He cant hack the league and has a bad attitude. It's obvious.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 17, 2019, 05:08:56 AM
Yes who is the biggest goal threat right now, him or these much older players in good form, absolutely what we should judge a 19 year old on 6 months into his Everton career.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 05:09:53 AM
Or people might have a teeny weeny bit more patience than our resident super blue

Not at all.

Simply calling it as I see it and being told to fuck off in the process. Which actually just tells me I'm right because they cant show me one good performance or goal to defend his 30m fee.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 05:10:24 AM
Yes who is the biggest goal threat right now, him or these much older players in good form, absolutely what we should judge a 19 year old on 6 months into his Everton career.

As someone said earlier

If he was in our academy what would you say?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 17, 2019, 05:10:42 AM
As someone said earlier

If he was in our academy what would you say?

Play him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 17, 2019, 05:10:46 AM
Yes who is the biggest goal threat right now, him or these much older players in good form, absolutely what we should judge a 19 year old on 6 months into his Everton career.

Dodgy these foreign imports tho m8. Get 1 of den wite lads up top cracking heds nd wer laffin
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 05:11:55 AM
Play him.

Ok. But if our new Italian manager doesnt pick him the writing is on the wall.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 17, 2019, 05:12:29 AM
Ok. But if our new Italian manager doesnt pick him the writing is on the wall.

Okay
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 05:13:22 AM
Okay

Can you see Ancelotti picking him?

Like where is his best position?

Why didnt Dunc pick him?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 17, 2019, 05:16:47 AM
Per Kroldrup played one game and flopped after being Serie A defender of the year. Oumar Niasse was being tagged as a lost boy on his debut and out of his debtm

West Ham loaned that Juve forward with a £25m option to buy if he played a certain number of games a couple.of years ago. He was meant to be amazing. He was shite. I am always suspicious of Serie A imports.

When we were doing well in the Premier League around 5th or 6th we signed a lad banging them in at the  bottom for Crystal Palace. AJ wasnt my cup of tea but we didnt turn our noses at him for scoring for an average sign. At least he was proven in the Premier League though.

Answer me this - who is more of a goal threat right now, Calum Wilson, Pukki or even the lad Sheff Utd bought from Bournemouth who scored at Goodison.

He cant hack the league and has a bad attitude. It's obvious.

The only thing that's obvious is that you have the logic of a toaster oven.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 05:18:48 AM
The only thing that's obvious is that you have the logic of a toaster oven.

I'll stick to a toastie machine thanks lad.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dunkster on December 17, 2019, 05:21:08 AM
I think a toaster oven would run the club as well as anything we have there at the moment
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 17, 2019, 05:23:30 AM
What is a toaster oven?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on December 17, 2019, 05:26:36 AM
What is a toaster oven?
Itís an oven that toasts as well.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 17, 2019, 05:39:00 AM
Can you see Ancelotti picking him?

Like where is his best position?

Why didnt Dunc pick him?
Tbf
Duncs brought back niasse and Martina tatber than pick youngsters so Kean not getting a game isnt a huge surprise
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2019, 05:45:13 AM
As someone said earlier

If he was in our academy what would you say?

Iíd say - heís 19, give him some time and donít put too much pressure on him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2019, 05:53:15 AM
Not at all.

Simply calling it as I see it and being told to fuck off in the process. Which actually just tells me I'm right because they cant show me one good performance or goal to defend his 30m fee.

As Iíve said to you before your opinion of yourself and your ability to spot greatness in players is highly inflated. Heís played a handful of games. Wait until you start your teacher training and youíre not as good as you first think youíre going to be after a few lessons and your mentor says to you Ďyeah, youíre out if your depth here, weíre going to fuck you off. Youíre better off as a TA.Ē Youíd be screaming holy fuck at not being given a chance, that you have Aspergers so that should be taken into consideration etc. But your mentor still turns round and says Ďnah lad......I can tell a mile off youíll never make it.Ē

That is you at the moment
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 17, 2019, 06:00:47 AM
As Iíve said to you before your opinion of yourself and your ability to spot greatness in players is highly inflated. Heís played a handful of games. Wait until you start your teacher training and youíre not as good as you first think youíre going to be after a few lessons and your mentor says to you Ďyeah, youíre out if your depth here, weíre going to fuck you off. Youíre better off as a TA.Ē Youíd be screaming holy fuck at not being given a chance, that you have Aspergers so that should be taken into consideration etc. But your mentor still turns round and says Ďnah lad......I can tell a mile off youíll never make it.Ē

That is you at the moment

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 17, 2019, 06:29:08 AM
Itís an oven that toasts as well.


https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/cuisinart-reg-air-fryer-toaster-oven/1061818064?skuId=61818064&&mrkgcl=609&mrkgadid=3273725376&enginename=google&mcid=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_kitchenelectrics_local&product_id=61818064&adtype=pla&product_channel=local&adpos=1o2&creative=248875057638&device=m&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=Cj0KCQiA89zvBRDoARIsAOIePbDcbRnDWqe4NoK9lVNog-MyIaqOw8fAXzaRWogwC3dig799NPuytIcaAqyLEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds


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Interesting never seen one of these before. Would be useful for small kitchen spaces
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 17, 2019, 06:34:09 AM
Interesting never seen one of these before. Would be useful for small kitchen spaces

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on December 17, 2019, 06:40:57 AM
Interesting never seen one of these before. Would be useful for small kitchen spaces
Indeed they are. They toast very well. Toastie toaster.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 07:23:16 AM
As Iíve said to you before your opinion of yourself and your ability to spot greatness in players is highly inflated. Heís played a handful of games. Wait until you start your teacher training and youíre not as good as you first think youíre going to be after a few lessons and your mentor says to you Ďyeah, youíre out if your depth here, weíre going to fuck you off. Youíre better off as a TA.Ē Youíd be screaming holy fuck at not being given a chance, that you have Aspergers so that should be taken into consideration etc. But your mentor still turns round and says Ďnah lad......I can tell a mile off youíll never make it.Ē

That is you at the moment

Growing into a team/role/as a footballer/ as an educator takes time. I agree with that. I also agree you need patience from those watching you.

As for taking criticism, sure, I need to be  better at that.  But you wont find me referencing me being autistic.

The trouble is, no teacher costs £30m. Kean did.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: IUToffee on December 17, 2019, 07:23:18 AM
Per Kroldrup played one game and flopped after being Serie A defender of the year. Oumar Niasse was being tagged as a lost boy on his debut and out of his debtm

West Ham loaned that Juve forward with a £25m option to buy if he played a certain number of games a couple.of years ago. He was meant to be amazing. He was shite. I am always suspicious of Serie A imports.

When we were doing well in the Premier League around 5th or 6th we signed a lad banging them in at the  bottom for Crystal Palace. AJ wasnt my cup of tea but we didnt turn our noses at him for scoring for an average sign. At least he was proven in the Premier League though.

Answer me this - who is more of a goal threat right now, Calum Wilson, Pukki or even the lad Sheff Utd bought from Bournemouth who scored at Goodison.

He cant hack the league and has a bad attitude. It's obvious.

What makes him have a bad attitude? Between this and a boxer/footballer analogy you had a week back, you donít half spout some veiled racist shit.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 17, 2019, 07:26:26 AM
Growing into a team/role/as a footballer/ as an educator takes time. I agree with that. I also agree you need patience from those watching you.

As for taking criticism, sure, I need to be  better at that.  But you wont find me referencing me being autistic.

The trouble is, no teacher costs £30m. Kean did.

£27m.

It's literally 4 months into his 5-year contract. You personally don't have to have patience, but you should stop spouting off utterly asinine opinions. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 07:27:14 AM
What makes him have a bad attitude? Between this and a boxer/footballer analogy you had a week back, you donít half spout some veiled racist shit.

Not a racist bone in my body.

Alls I said was we took a continental approach. That is to say we went with continental systems seen more in Europe rather than the old fashioned values of Everton.

The boxer and footballer stuff had nothing to do with any of that was simply saying you can relate to boxers more.

As for Kean, he is late for training and team meetings and seems like he cant run around Old Trafford.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 17, 2019, 07:36:47 AM
Not a racist bone in my body.

Alls I said was we took a continental approach. That is to say we went with continental systems seen more in Europe rather than the old fashioned values of Everton.

The boxer and footballer stuff had nothing to do with any of that was simply saying you can relate to boxers more.

As for Kean, he is late for training and team meetings and seems like he cant run around Old Trafford.

"Old fashioned values" instead of "continental systems seen more in Europe." Yeah, nothing thinly veiled and racist about that.

Everton has 18 "continental" players (from 3 different continents mind), 16 English-born players. Or, the same number as 9 other EPL teams, including City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Leicester, and Wolves.

Kean was late for ONE meeting, it was sorted, and he ran as many km per minute as Richarlison did. Screw your head back on. Or for the first time, whichever.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 08:22:57 AM
"Old fashioned values" instead of "continental systems seen more in Europe." Yeah, nothing thinly veiled and racist about that.

Everton has 18 "continental" players (from 3 different continents mind), 16 English-born players. Or, the same number as 9 other EPL teams, including City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Leicester, and Wolves.

Kean was late for ONE meeting, it was sorted, and he ran as many km per minute as Richarlison did. Screw your head back on. Or for the first time, whichever.

I was referring to tactics. Not players.

442 and kick and run are very different to 4231 ans playing out from the back.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 17, 2019, 09:23:55 AM
Ok, so you cant fault me then.

Go and find some manners.

Haha, and again you turn it into a point about yourself. Such a little narcissist.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: boothill on December 17, 2019, 01:01:19 PM
I dont for ine minute agree with much thomas says with regards to kean.  But to suggest its racist is fucking deplorable.  You can tell he was only talking about tactics. Anyone pointing the youre a racist finger here needs to take a good fucking long look at themselves.  Bastard shithouse behaviour that is
"Old fashioned values" instead of "continental systems seen more in Europe." Yeah, nothing thinly veiled and racist about that.

Everton has 18 "continental" players (from 3 different continents mind), 16 English-born players. Or, the same number as 9 other EPL teams, including City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Leicester, and Wolves.

Kean was late for ONE meeting, it was sorted, and he ran as many km per minute as Richarlison did. Screw your head back on. Or for the first time, whichever.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2019, 01:46:04 PM
Growing into a team/role/as a footballer/ as an educator takes time. I agree with that. I also agree you need patience from those watching you.

As for taking criticism, sure, I need to be  better at that.  But you wont find me referencing me being autistic.

The trouble is, no teacher costs £30m. Kean did.

Youíve missed the point - for your autism (which you do hide behind at times on here) read Keanís new environment. Also, you would still represent a sizeable investment, just in relative terms.

Cut the kid some slack, give him time to settle and develop before you decide heís a flop.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on December 17, 2019, 02:45:03 PM
Not at all.

Simply calling it as I see it and being told to fuck off in the process. Which actually just tells me I'm right because they cant show me one good performance or goal to defend his 30m fee.

I remember people saying this about fellaini for the first couple of months, and just look how that turn out.

You shouldn't be told to fuck off for it, I believe you get more stick than most poster for your opinion.

He does need more time to prove his worth.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 17, 2019, 02:53:36 PM


Have to know, what did you do? How old were you?

I was 17, 2 acts of petulance. I shoulder barged into a lad as he was walking back from scoring a try and then high-tackled him 5 minutes later.
I say high-tackle, it was closer to a clothesline
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: boothill on December 17, 2019, 02:56:04 PM
Id be more surprised if a player hadnt done that tbh mick.  You just got caught is all
I was 17, 2 acts of petulance. I shoulder barged into a lad as he was walking back from scoring a try and then high-tackled him 5 minutes later.
I say high-tackle, it was closer to a clothesline

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 17, 2019, 02:57:31 PM
Cheeky fucker did that wavy hand, thumb on nose thing when he put the ball down under the sticks.
What was i meant to do?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 03:20:25 PM
I remember people saying this about fellaini for the first couple of months, and just look how that turn out.

You shouldn't be told to fuck off for it, I believe you get more stick than most poster for your opinion.

He does need more time to prove his worth.

Funny you mention fellaini I remember going his first game at Blackburn away league cup we got beat and fellaini was awful. He came good. Hopefully Kean does. Doesnt look good though.

As for how people reply to me, sigh. Cant do anything about that mate.

Hope your good.
Thomas
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2019, 03:27:09 PM
Cheeky fucker did that wavy hand, thumb on nose thing when he put the ball down under the sticks.
What was i meant to do?

Smash the cunt into oblivion obviously. No place on the rugby pitch for that showboating shit
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 17, 2019, 04:11:16 PM
Youíve missed the point - for your autism (which you do hide behind at times on here) read Keanís new environment. Also, you would still represent a sizeable investment, just in relative terms.

Cut the kid some slack, give him time to settle and develop before you decide heís a flop.

Jesus. Admittedly donít keep up a lot on here so donít know it Iv missed a lot. But not fair to use something like his Autism against him
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2019, 04:14:34 PM
Jesus. Admittedly donít keep up a lot on here so donít know it Iv missed a lot. But not fair to use something like his Autism against him

Iím not using it against him in the slightest. I was using it as an example for a situation. If you think that I, in the position I hold with the kids that I work with, would do that then you donít know me at all.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on December 17, 2019, 05:00:13 PM
Funny you mention fellaini I remember going his first game at Blackburn away league cup we got beat and fellaini was awful. He came good. Hopefully Kean does. Doesnt look good though.

As for how people reply to me, sigh. Cant do anything about that mate.

Hope your good.
Thomas

You should start doing your match day reviews again. They were class. Proper gonzo journalism
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 17, 2019, 05:07:59 PM
Iím not using it against him in the slightest. I was using it as an example for a situation. If you think that I, in the position I hold with the kids that I work with, would do that then you donít know me at all.

Fair enough I was not aware thatís what you did.

That aside, letís just hope Kean gets some minutes tomorrow and this can all just be swept under the carpet  nod
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 17, 2019, 05:25:28 PM
Maybe Carlo is the key to unlocking this kid?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ramjam on December 17, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
Maybe Carlo is the key to unlocking this kid?
Fingers crossed


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 17, 2019, 05:35:40 PM
Maybe Carlo is the key to unlocking this kid?

Just like Ferguson was the key to unlocking DCL.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2019, 05:43:49 PM
Iím not using it against him in the slightest. I was using it as an example for a situation. If you think that I, in the position I hold with the kids that I work with, would do that then you donít know me at all.

Citing and making an assessment of my career prospects as a response to my criticism of an Everton player I found a little random to say the least. Had very little to.do with Moise Keane.

Then when mentioning being autistic that makes me a relatively costly investment....

I can see what he means.

Anyway, I'm not that bothered. As I said got to take criticism in my stride. Otherwise just like anyone else.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2019, 06:10:48 PM
Citing and making an assessment of my career prospects as a response to my criticism of an Everton player I found a little random to say the least. Had very little to.do with Moise Keane.

Then when mentioning being autistic that makes me a relatively costly investment....

I can see what he means.

Anyway, I'm not that bothered. As I said got to take criticism in my stride. Otherwise just like anyone else.

Nowhere did I say that you being autistic made you a costly investment. I said that as a trainee teacher is a costly investment.

I used your career choice to see if you could empathise with the situation Kean is in.

But you carry on playing the victim. You should have been born a red
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: april on December 17, 2019, 08:57:15 PM
Happy Christmas everyone
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Martip on December 17, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Segundo Castillo?

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 17, 2019, 11:08:28 PM
Remember the size of his calfs !

Some unit he was.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Normm on December 18, 2019, 05:33:01 AM
It's a pity that Dunc blighted the feel-good factor around the club by blanking Keane when he was pulled off, even though he may not have been following/understanding instructions. Now some are thinking he is a bit heartless, but I'm sure he isn't - other players have reacted and spoken very well of him. Besides, the performances have given everyone a lift.

For me, I regarded it as just a bit of necessary tough love for a player who needed shaking up. Either the lad winges off into obscurity, or he shows some mettle and proves himself on the pitch. My hope, of course, is the latter - and I would not be surprised to see Moise Keane getting another chance against Leicester. If Dunc had gone to give him a pat or hug, as some suggest, and he shrugged it off or reacted in public - that would have been worse. No doubt, if this had happened to Dunc when he was playing, he would have felt like landing one on the manager's chin! So, he would have known how Moise was feeling and I'm sure he's had a quiet word since.

Personally, I think Dunc will prove himself to be a really great manager for the club - and probably the results against Chelsea and Utd helped persuade Carlos A to take the job. - Plus our brilliant fans! :woohoo: :cheers:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 18, 2019, 05:57:51 AM
Found out my daughter was autistic a few months back, I'd be lieing if I said I'd managed to come to terms with it, I'm still going through that process, I'll be honest I'll never be prepared for having other people throwing it in her face.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 18, 2019, 06:11:18 AM
Found out my daughter was autistic a few months back, I'd be lieing if I said I'd managed to come to terms with it, I'm still going through that process, I'll be honest I'll never be prepared for having other people throwing it in her face.

Can I just clarify, once and for all, that I was not doing that to Thomas.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 18, 2019, 06:15:19 AM
Can I just clarify, once and for all, that I was not doing that to Thomas.

I like you Brownie, I think you know that, I've never had a bad word to say about you, but the phrase 'hiding behind your autism' proper got me, proper made me angry tbh.
I dont actually believe you think that, I think you let Thomas being a bit of an annoying misery arse get the better of you, I dont for one minute think you beleive the kids you work with and care for "hide behind their autism" as if they can just turn it on and off.
Maybe I'm being a bit of a snowflake to this and because I'm new to the whole thing I'll just have to get used to it, but I hated that phrase, proper hated it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 18, 2019, 06:38:13 AM
I like you Brownie, I think you know that, I've never had a bad word to say about you, but the phrase 'hiding behind your autism' proper got me, proper made me angry tbh.
I dont actually believe you think that, I think you let Thomas being a bit of an annoying misery arse get the better of you, I dont for one minute think you beleive the kids you work with and care for "hide behind their autism" as if they can just turn it on and off.
Maybe I'm being a bit of a snowflake to this and because I'm new to the whole thing I'll just have to get used to it, but I hated that phrase, proper hated it.

My intention was not to offend. However, there are plenty of examples in the past where Thomas has done that though - as many others on here will attest to - usually after heís been called out on something and instead of accepting he might have made a mistake he brings it up. Iíve even challenged him on it in the past as it has made me angry that he has done so when I work closely with many with autism who never would. Finally, not that I have told anyone this, but my youngest is being assessed for autism as well as both my wife and I have both identified aspects in his behaviour that, due to our professional experience, we believe indicate that he may be autistic. Itís been an extremely trying time for us and one that has seen my wife become increasingly ill due to the stress of the situation. So forgive me for using that term towards Thomas and causing you anger as well.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 18, 2019, 07:28:01 AM
My intention was not to offend. However, there are plenty of examples in the past where Thomas has done that though - as many others on here will attest to - usually after heís been called out on something and instead of accepting he might have made a mistake he brings it up. Iíve even challenged him on it in the past as it has made me angry that he has done so when I work closely with many with autism who never would. Finally, not that I have told anyone this, but my youngest is being assessed for autism as well as both my wife and I have both identified aspects in his behaviour that, due to our professional experience, we believe indicate that he may be autistic. Itís been an extremely trying time for us and one that has seen my wife become increasingly ill due to the stress of the situation. So forgive me for using that term towards Thomas and causing you anger as well.

Heres my hand heres my heart mate/no hard feelings and all that.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Confucius on December 18, 2019, 09:47:21 AM
We should start an autism little chat. So many of us have kids who are on the spectrum. Might help to chat about it and share experiences.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 19, 2019, 04:54:54 AM
Struggling with him... His first touch is absolutely horrifying, and other then some silly skill down the right with a decent cross I thought he looked completely lost.

Obviously he's young and from a different country so we can't expect too much, but he doesn't seem to possess certain simple attributes at the moment that you'd expect from such a highly rated prospect... I think he's got the ability to smash one in from nothing potentially, but there's a lot of basic stuff he doesn't seem to have which is extremely worrying
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 19, 2019, 05:44:24 AM
He still looks a bit Lukaku to me.  Just keep playing him, see what he turns into.  That size, speed, and footy intelligence combo is hard to beat.  And we are never bringing in a monster like that who is the finished article.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 19, 2019, 05:53:54 AM
He still looks a bit Lukaku to me.  Just keep playing him, see what he turns into.  That size, speed, and footy intelligence combo is hard to beat.  And we are never bringing in a monster like that who is the finished article.
At least you didnt say he looks like Iwobi.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 19, 2019, 06:04:00 AM
Thought he actually made some decent runs that werenít picked up by passers
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: JEdwards17 on December 19, 2019, 06:21:20 AM
He still looks a bit Lukaku to me.  Just keep playing him, see what he turns into.  That size, speed, and footy intelligence combo is hard to beat.  And we are never bringing in a monster like that who is the finished article.

Tbf Lukaku struggled when he first come to Chelsea so fair comparison, Fingers crossed he develops the same way or even better
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on December 19, 2019, 07:51:02 AM
Very much a diamond in the rough.

There is a long process ahead of chipping away at him to reveal what sort of player he can be before we can begin to cut, polish and see him shine for us.

It's only gametime that can chip away at him really in my opinion. Training will help with the polishing but, painful as it may be at times, gametime is the key in my opinion. Let him make mistakes, let him figure out the league and the standard he needs to be at first.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on December 19, 2019, 08:59:08 AM
Tbf Lukaku struggled when he first come to Chelsea so fair comparison, Fingers crossed he develops the same way or even better
Send him out to WBA on loan.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ramjam on December 19, 2019, 10:58:17 AM
Very much a diamond in the rough.

There is a long process ahead of chipping away at him to reveal what sort of player he can be before we can begin to cut, polish and see him shine for us.

It's only gametime that can chip away at him really in my opinion. Training will help with the polishing but, painful as it may be at times, gametime is the key in my opinion. Let him make mistakes, let him figure out the league and the standard he needs to be at first.
Sounds like he should be playing in a brothal with all that polishing heís going to get


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 19, 2019, 01:40:26 PM
Very much a diamond in the rough.

There is a long process ahead of chipping away at him to reveal what sort of player he can be before we can begin to cut, polish and see him shine for us.

It's only gametime that can chip away at him really in my opinion. Training will help with the polishing but, painful as it may be at times, gametime is the key in my opinion. Let him make mistakes, let him figure out the league and the standard he needs to be at first.

A lot of rough, not much diamond so far imo... I honestly think if he'd come through our youth ranks we'd be saying he's waaaay off the first team.

He was like a headless chicken for most of that 2nd half, doing some odd things and the ball pinging off his shins like he'd a Sunday league player.

One bit of skill and s decent cross yes... Other than than I saw nothing to suggest he's one of the top prospects in the world.

Only reason he's even getting game time is the price we paid for him.  An odd signing.  I'm not writing him off completely but I also have a feeling he maybe looked good on a team fill of stars laying it on a plate for him at Juve.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: mikey_blue on December 19, 2019, 02:10:18 PM
Stick with him. Give him 20-25 mins a game and let him get better. There is absolutely zero reason for Tosun or Niasse to be getting in the squad ahead of him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2019, 02:41:18 PM
He was trying a bit to hard last night, needs to calm himself down a lot.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 19, 2019, 03:06:37 PM
He was trying a bit to hard last night, needs to calm himself down a lot.

But you can't blame him after the last game.

And it also shows that there was nothing in the Ferguson mismanagement shouts, and cries of he "has ruined the kid" was a massive storm in a teacup.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2019, 03:20:47 PM
But you can't blame him after the last game.

And it also shows that there was nothing in the Ferguson mismanagement shouts, and cries of he "has ruined the kid" was a massive storm in a teacup.

Not at all, I was made up he came on, he's still very raw, hopefully Carlo will sort him out
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 19, 2019, 03:28:02 PM
Thought he was sound.

People need to lower their expectations. He himself said his target is to score 7 goals this season.

He knows thereís a lot of improvement needed.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 19, 2019, 03:36:40 PM
Thought he was sound.

People need to lower their expectations. He himself said his target is to score 7 goals this season.

He knows thereís a lot of improvement needed.

It's not his goal scoring that concerns me, he looks the type where if you put him through he'll bury it more often then not... it's the rest of his game that seems dreadfully short of where it needs to be to be playing any minutes at this level.  His awareness seems almost no existent, his first touch is diabolical, and his decision making terrible.  He's got a bit of skill and a trick up his sleeve but he's so far away from where he needs to be... I think the pace of the game here is too much for him and by the time he gets it under control it's already too late.  He doesn't seem particularly fast or mobile either.

I'm not saying there's not a player in there somewhere but the fundamentals of the game ain't there... doesn't look at all like one of the world's best prospects, not even close.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 19, 2019, 03:42:09 PM
But you can't blame him after the last game.

And it also shows that there was nothing in the Ferguson mismanagement shouts, and cries of he "has ruined the kid" was a massive storm in a teacup.

I think it could've gone either way, this is the type of reaction you want, shows he must have a lot of belief and hunger, it could easily of ruined a lot of others though. Maybe it was a calculated risk from Dunc that'll hopefully pay off, he probably knows his character well enough having trained and worked with him and felt it could work?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 19, 2019, 03:45:25 PM
I think it could've gone either way, this is the type of reaction you want, shows he must have a lot of belief and hunger, it could easily of ruined a lot of others though. Maybe it was a calculated risk from Dunc that'll hopefully pay off, he probably knows his character well enough having trained and worked with him and felt it could work?

I think what it shows more than anything is we shouldn't judge managers and players solely on game day observations, as the majority of work and interactions actually happen behind closed doors. Dunc doesn't have a problem with Kean, and Kean played for the team/Dunc.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 19, 2019, 03:48:47 PM
I think what it shows more than anything is we shouldn't judge managers and players solely on game day observations, as the majority of work and interactions actually happen behind closed doors. Dunc doesn't have a problem with Kean, and Kean played for the team/Dunc.

Think thats right, dont get me wrong I thought he was a prick at the time for doing it, but that was very reactional and I still think he could've handled it better, but its good to see how Kean responded!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2019, 03:51:16 PM
Stick with him. Give him 20-25 mins a game and let him get better. There is absolutely zero reason for Tosun or Niasse to be getting in the squad ahead of him.

The fact Tosun even got a game let alone stepped up to take a vital penalty shows how far we still need to go to get away from the horrors of the past few years recruitment. 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 19, 2019, 03:54:36 PM
Think thats right, dont get me wrong I thought he was a prick at the time for doing it, but that was very reactional and I still think he could've handled it better, but its good to see how Kean responded!

Yea, of course he good, but it was his second game as manager. Sometimes you have to trust a dynamic you can't see.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: plumber on December 19, 2019, 04:52:46 PM
So his Everton career was ruined for 3 days. That's quite a resurgence.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heath on December 19, 2019, 06:43:20 PM

Thought Moise Kean gave a good account of himself in the Leicester City game, and it was brilliant to see our fans getting right behind the lad. No doubt the media will be pig sick that Kean recovered so quickly from his 'Everton career-ending' substitution against Man Utd.

Would like to see him get another forty-five minutes or so against Arsenal, hopefully after we are 3-0 up at half-time.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluenose1962 on December 19, 2019, 06:51:01 PM
It's not his goal scoring that concerns me, he looks the type where if you put him through he'll bury it more often then not... it's the rest of his game that seems dreadfully short of where it needs to be to be playing any minutes at this level.  His awareness seems almost no existent, his first touch is diabolical, and his decision making terrible.  He's got a bit of skill and a trick up his sleeve but he's so far away from where he needs to be... I think the pace of the game here is too much for him and by the time he gets it under control it's already too late.  He doesn't seem particularly fast or mobile either.

I'm not saying there's not a player in there somewhere but the fundamentals of the game ain't there... doesn't look at all like one of the world's best prospects, not even close.

Not particularly fast ??? Think you have mistaken the 2 Kean(e)s here. We are talking about Moise Kean not Michael.  His movement off the ball was excellent last night always creating space for himself. With a creative midfield who can actually pass the ball in the channels Moise Kean will flourish. Is he a number 9 probably not but a 10 most definitely.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 19, 2019, 10:01:47 PM
Not particularly fast ??? Think you have mistaken the 2 Kean(e)s here. We are talking about Moise Kean not Michael.  His movement off the ball was excellent last night always creating space for himself. With a creative midfield who can actually pass the ball in the channels Moise Kean will flourish. Is he a number 9 probably not but a 10 most definitely.

No not really, DCL seems to be a fair bit quicker... you could see when trying to close down lost causes he was getting no where near, whereas DCL would have at least got close to keeping it in.  He looks fairly strong but he's definitely not rapid.

Movement was fine, nothing to really criticise there, but his general decision making and control are dreadful... some of that is going to be due to the pace of the league, but there's some fundamental flaws there. 

People see what they want to see, he's a fancy expensive foreign import so they'll give him a free pass on loads of stuff a home grown youth player wouldn't get.  Hopefully he'll come good but the odd bit of skill or powerful shot from outside the area (of which non have gone in) doesn't paper over the cracks of him at present being no where near the level required to challenge DCL or Richarlison, which considering the cost and profile of him he really should be.  It's a little alarming he's so far away from that level at present.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 19, 2019, 10:13:42 PM
lol
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: markB on December 19, 2019, 10:34:23 PM
that's was Keans best game for us so far well 45 mins all before have been shit , well done Duncan for giving him the kick up the backside he needed
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 20, 2019, 02:01:23 AM
No not really, DCL seems to be a fair bit quicker... you could see when trying to close down lost causes he was getting no where near, whereas DCL would have at least got close to keeping it in.  He looks fairly strong but he's definitely not rapid.

Aye, but DCL is one of the quickest players in the league. So being a bit slower is not really a slight on him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 20, 2019, 02:34:46 AM
Aye, but DCL is one of the quickest players in the league. So being a bit slower is not really a slight on him.

I'm not using it as a stick to beat him with, it's just an observation... He'd get away with more of his flaws if he was rapid and could worry defenders in a race.  He's not though, so his control and decision making needs to be vastly better then it is, because he's not going to be racing on to balls over the top and out pacing everyone.

Like I said some flaws can be of set by other attributes, but Kean has a long way to go because right now he looks miles off being ready for premier League football
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: howard1334 on December 20, 2019, 04:23:28 AM
No not really, DCL seems to be a fair bit quicker... you could see when trying to close down lost causes he was getting no where near, whereas DCL would have at least got close to keeping it in.  He looks fairly strong but he's definitely not rapid.

Movement was fine, nothing to really criticise there, but his general decision making and control are dreadful... some of that is going to be due to the pace of the league, but there's some fundamental flaws there. 

People see what they want to see, he's a fancy expensive foreign import so they'll give him a free pass on loads of stuff a home grown youth player wouldn't get.  Hopefully he'll come good but the odd bit of skill or powerful shot from outside the area (of which non have gone in) doesn't paper over the cracks of him at present being no where near the level required to challenge DCL or Richarlison, which considering the cost and profile of him he really should be.  It's a little alarming he's so far away from that level at present.

His control is not dreadful, and it is certainly better than DCL's, which, at least up until this season, truly was dreadful.  Keane's issue is that he tries to do too much with the ball at times, not that he can't control it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on December 20, 2019, 04:35:44 AM
It feels like with Kean he has so few opportunities to actually play he is trying too much to impress.

Iím glad the substitution at the weekend is in the past and it got a half yesterday. Just has to keep plugging away until it happens for him.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on December 20, 2019, 06:51:17 AM
I remember watching the video the official site released of Kean and (possibly Gbamin?)'s first training session. The first clip Kean traps a ball perfectly and does some sexy Cruyff turn. I do however agree that what I've seen of him in game his first touch has been pretty poor and balls just bouncing off him.

I hope it's just the initial pressure of expectation as a young age and being keen to impress. And once he gets himself settled, scores his first goal and a paternal Italian arm round his shoulder from Don Carlo things will start to pick up for the lad.

Really hope so anyway, how often we Everton get one of the top young prospects in Europe?!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 20, 2019, 07:35:01 AM
His control is not dreadful, and it is certainly better than DCL's, which, at least up until this season, truly was dreadful.  Keane's issue is that he tries to do too much with the ball at times, not that he can't control it.

Kean's current ability to control a ball is most definitely not better than DCL's current ability, that's a proper mad shout 😂
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2019, 08:32:18 AM
It feels like with Kean he has so few opportunities to actually play he is trying too much to impress.

Iím glad the substitution at the weekend is in the past and it got a half yesterday. Just has to keep plugging away until it happens for him.



To me, it seems like his mind races ahead and sees opportunities, he just (due to experience) has trouble synching up body and mind.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on December 20, 2019, 08:33:30 AM
His control is not dreadful, and it is certainly better than DCL's, which, at least up until this season, truly was dreadful.

Thatís just a lie.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 20, 2019, 02:01:58 PM
So his Everton career was ruined for 3 days. That's quite a resurgence.

Well, it has been done before... Many years ago allegedly. Died and rose again after three days. He was poor with crosses too? 🤔 Omen??
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on December 20, 2019, 02:23:37 PM
Well, it has been done before... Many years ago allegedly. Died and rose again after three days. He was poor with crosses too? Omen??
That cross to dcl who hung in the air for it was decent.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 20, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
According to The Athlstic he wasnt even on BRANDS and Silvas top 5 forwards shortlist and Silva wanted Mandukvic. This was a Brands signing.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 20, 2019, 03:49:56 PM
Maybe judge him when he's played *checks notes* a full game or two ey lads.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2019, 03:54:06 PM
According to The Athlstic he wasnt even on BRANDS and Silvas top 5 forwards shortlist and Silva wanted Mandukvic. This was a Brands signing.

He wasnít on Brandsí shortlist but was a Brandsí signing?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on December 20, 2019, 03:59:46 PM
According to The Athlstic he wasnt even on BRANDS and Silvas top 5 forwards shortlist and Silva wanted Mandukvic. This was a Brands signing.

What? Who?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2019, 04:02:17 PM
Silva wanted us to sign some grim players.

Thank fuck we had brands to pull him in line.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 20, 2019, 04:39:44 PM
Silva wanted us to sign some grim players.

Thank fuck we had brands to pull him in line.

He did take Niasse on loan??
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2019, 04:41:53 PM
According to The Athlstic he wasnt even on BRANDS and Silvas top 5 forwards shortlist and Silva wanted Mandukvic. This was a Brands signing.
Wasnt on Brands list but is a Brands signing?

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on December 20, 2019, 05:14:52 PM
According to The Athlstic he wasnt even on BRANDS and Silvas top 5 forwards shortlist and Silva wanted Mandukvic. This was a Brands signing.

I think it was your favourite manager who said that if good players are available sometimes you need to snap them up regardless of what you actually need
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 20, 2019, 05:22:30 PM
I think it was your favourite manager who said that if good players are available sometimes you need to snap them up regardless of what you actually need

Neil Lennon clearly a wiser man than I was giving him credit for
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on December 20, 2019, 05:35:40 PM
If good managers are available sometimes you need to snap them up regardless of what you need.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on December 20, 2019, 05:37:01 PM
Exactly  ;D
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on December 20, 2019, 06:11:33 PM
He wasnít on Brandsí shortlist but was a Brandsí signing?
When we hired Brands it was reported that he had a strong working relationship with Mino Raiola. Raiola is Kean's agent. Uncle Mino called in a favour? 2+2=5
On a more serious note, Brands had been after Kean for a long time, so he obviously rates his potential. But if Mandzukic was on that list then we were probably looking for an experienced striker who could immediately compete with DCL for the main striker spot. I doubt we where expecting Kean to be that.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 20, 2019, 10:54:35 PM
Haha. Any excuse for a head wobble eh.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 21, 2019, 11:16:46 PM
I know heís not having many minutes but he was shite again today. Some stage soon it will stop being everyone elseís fault heís poor and start being his
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heisenberg on December 21, 2019, 11:19:44 PM
Heís just 19. Think the obsession people have with him and wanting him to come good is just adding unnecessary pressure really. He will get run outs etc but miles off being ready for a lot of minutes,

Actually the main issue was poor recruitment. His signing in isolation would of been fine. But we NEEDED a first team senior striker
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GLewis on December 21, 2019, 11:19:47 PM
I know heís not having many minutes but he was shite again today. Some stage soon it will stop being everyone elseís fault heís poor and start being his

Probably when thereís some actual football around him.

Horrendous game to be an attacking sub in today.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 21, 2019, 11:24:02 PM
I
Probably when thereís some actual football around him.

Horrendous game to be an attacking sub in today.

He was 1 of many who were dreadfully poor today. I just think sometime soon people are going to expect him to sink or swim rather than make excuses for him

So far heís been as bad as Sandro
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 21, 2019, 11:28:30 PM
Dunc subs Kean - OMG what a clown, lost all respect for him, totally out of his depth, always said he wasn't a legend, dropped not just a bollock but both + scrotum with that, should never manage another club even in the Macedonian third division!

Dunc subs Tosun - fair play he's shit.

Just goes to show people's opinions very much depend on which player is involved, not if the decision itself was correct or not
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ARTEZZY on December 21, 2019, 11:37:08 PM
Tosun was a terrible sub. He jogged around the field and badgered team mates for not doing anything. I thought he would at least run around. But I think Tom Davies will at least do that each week and he never does.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 22, 2019, 12:06:15 AM
Dunc subs Kean - OMG what a clown, lost all respect for him, totally out of his depth, always said he wasn't a legend, dropped not just a bollock but both + scrotum with that, should never manage another club even in the Macedonian third division!

Dunc subs Tosun - fair play he's shit.

Just goes to show people's opinions very much depend on which player is involved, not if the decision itself was correct or not

Itís completely different isnít it. 

Kean was on for 15 minutes, Tosun on for near enough 80.

On both occasions the wrong move was bringing both of them on in the first place.




Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 22, 2019, 12:06:22 AM
Dunc subs Kean - OMG what a clown, lost all respect for him, totally out of his depth, always said he wasn't a legend, dropped not just a bollock but both + scrotum with that, should never manage another club even in the Macedonian third division!

Dunc subs Tosun - fair play he's shit.

Just goes to show people's opinions very much depend on which player is involved, not if the decision itself was correct or not
Not at all, Tosun played 70 minutes. Kean was hauled off after 19 minutes, it's not even comparable

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 22, 2019, 12:14:08 AM
Not at all, Tosun played 70 minutes. Kean was hauled off after 19 minutes, it's not even comparable

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Subbed a sub, it's the same regardless off how long they've been on the field.

If it's damaging to a player's moral to be subbed as a sub that stands whether they've been on the field 18 mins or 80.

Like I said the main difference is one player the fans like and the other they dont
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 22, 2019, 12:33:22 AM
Subbed a sub, it's the same regardless off how long they've been on the field.

If it's damaging to a player's moral to be subbed as a sub that stands whether they've been on the field 18 mins or 80.

Like I said the main difference is one player the fans like and the other they dont
It's not the same, I think Iwobi got subbed off after coming on earlier in the season, it happens, granted, it's not that common, but it never happens that someone gets subbed after 18 minutes unless it's injury related

I agree it's embarrassing, but Kean was 100x worse

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 22, 2019, 12:37:55 AM
It's not the same, I think Iwobi got subbed off after coming on earlier in the season, it happens, granted, it's not that common, but it never happens that someone gets subbed after 18 minutes unless it's injury related

I agree it's embarrassing, but Kean was 100x worse

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If you're subbed for the same reason it's the same issue imo... Injury or genuine tactical reasons fair enough, but if it's just for generally being shit its humiliating either way surely?

Not that I have any issue with it, think the Kean call was correct and unless Tosun has improved drastically in the last 24 hours no doubt correct too.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on December 22, 2019, 12:40:48 AM
If you're subbed for the same reason it's the same issue imo... Injury or genuine tactical reasons fair enough, but if it's just for generally being shit its humiliating either way surely?

Not that I have any issue with it, think the Kean call was correct and unless Tosun has improved drastically in the last 24 hours no doubt correct too.
I think we're debating levels of humiliation that's all, both are bad, I just think you can at least justify it more for Cenk as he had a good run

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueToffee on December 22, 2019, 12:50:02 AM
Subbed a sub, it's the same regardless off how long they've been on the field.

If it's damaging to a player's moral to be subbed as a sub that stands whether they've been on the field 18 mins or 80.

Like I said the main difference is one player the fans like and the other they dont

Thatís just silly. Of course time on the field comes into it. Tosun was on after ten minutes, thee wouldíve been little difference him and the others in terms of tiredness. Ideally youíd never be subbing a sub but thatís usually because most subs happen of course in the second half.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on December 22, 2019, 01:04:11 AM
So far heís been as bad as Sandro

Thatís just attention seeking.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Trublue on December 22, 2019, 01:09:41 AM
Tosun was a terrible sub. He jogged around the field and badgered team mates for not doing anything. I thought he would at least run around. But I think Tom Davies will at least do that each week and he never does.

Totally agree, would of been better to bring Bernard on and wouldn't of had to change so much around. Tosun, just doesn't suit us, I doubt he will be one of the players the new manager wants to keep.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 22, 2019, 01:18:24 AM
The problem has been lack of creativity from midfield.  The problem remains lack of creativity from midfield.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on December 22, 2019, 01:49:59 AM
Thatís just silly. Of course time on the field comes into it. Tosun was on after ten minutes, thee wouldíve been little difference him and the others in terms of tiredness. Ideally youíd never be subbing a sub but thatís usually because most subs happen of course in the second half.



But unless he's subbing him because he's tired then it's still just as bad as subbing Kean... You're hauling off a sub because they've been shite, so it's still singling them out over everyone else.

Same issue with damaging moral, but as everyone expects Tosun to remain shite it's looked at differently
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Cozzie on December 22, 2019, 01:51:16 AM
His first touch is poo.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueToffee on December 22, 2019, 01:58:48 AM
But unless he's subbing him because he's tired then it's still just as bad as subbing Kean... You're hauling off a sub because they've been shite, so it's still singling them out over everyone else.

Same issue with damaging moral, but as everyone expects Tosun to remain shite it's looked at differently

Again, it's not ideal because you're somewhat admitting a mistake with the first substitution.

However, all I'd say is I'd feel as bad for Tosun if he'd been taken off after 18 mins as I did for Kean. It's not a great look either way, but 18 mins within the same half is next, next level embarrassment and I'd say particularly it's not great for a kid just starting out (yes, age does come into it a bit too) and apart from anything else, it was just unnecessary.

Today, I'd still say if you getting 70 mins of the 90 then you've had a decent run out so it does mitigate it somewhat for me.

That said, I'd not have made that choice myself.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 22, 2019, 02:15:21 AM
I
He was 1 of many who were dreadfully poor today. I just think sometime soon people are going to expect him to sink or swim rather than make excuses for him

So far heís been as bad as Sandro

9 minutes to make an impact in a game like that. 9 minutes
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 22, 2019, 02:21:56 AM
9 minutes to make an impact in a game like that. 9 minutes

I realise that but he still had time to needlessly give it away 2 or 3 times. All Iím saying is the time is coming when heíll be judged on his performance rather than everyone else.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Hesmenos on December 22, 2019, 02:24:23 AM
Totally agree, would of been better to bring Bernard on and wouldn't of had to change so much around. Tosun, just doesn't suit us, I doubt he will be one of the players the new manager wants to keep.
Not bringing Bernard on was strange especially because it meant we changed our shape so quickly. Its possible that our fitness dept didn't think he could handle more than 60 minutes today.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 22, 2019, 02:34:24 AM
I assume there was no chance Bernard was fit enough to play what was left of the game
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on December 22, 2019, 01:43:29 PM
I donít even know if Anthony Gordon was on the bench but it would have surely made more sense to bring him on wide left to keep the shape.

Tosun barely broke into a sweat, couldnít find his own team-mates with the ball and didnít look close to offering any kind of threat or platform to play off. A truly awful player and horrendous waste of money.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Martip on December 22, 2019, 03:24:52 PM
I donít even know if Anthony Gordon was on the bench but it would have surely made more sense to bring him on wide left to keep the shape.

Tosun barely broke into a sweat, couldnít find his own team-mates with the ball and didnít look close to offering any kind of threat or platform to play off. A truly awful player and horrendous waste of money.
Totally agree. I couldnt understand the sub at all and can only assume that dunc thought they were vulnerable to aerial attacks ?

Couldnt have been more wrong really as I dont remember Tosun even winning an aerial battle all game. We really needed someone with a bit of movement that could stretch them given their problems at fullback but he just cant run the channels.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 22, 2019, 03:27:52 PM
Itís beggars belief that Tosun got brought on yesterday.

He needs to be canned asap
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Martip on December 22, 2019, 03:33:45 PM
Not bringing Bernard on was strange especially because it meant we changed our shape so quickly. Its possible that our fitness dept didn't think he could handle more than 60 minutes today.
It felt like Tosun was probably the worse choice to come on of the available options as the game plan went straight out of the window and we looked clueless. I mean any of Coleman, Bernard, Baines or Kean could have been accommodated much easier I felt.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 24, 2019, 12:25:48 AM
Take this as an olive branch...

If anyone can make this kid perform it's an experienced Italian who is an absolute winner. He said in his press conference he tried to buy him for Napoli. I hope Carlo ignites and inspires him onto better performances. If he does I will gladly eat humble pie particularly with the likes of @Brownie (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) . If not you have to wonder if McBurnie, Mouset, Maypay (Championship top scorer) Mitrovic or Pukki would have/be a better buy .Hopefully Carlo saves us the bother with a bit of man management and arm round the lads shoulder. He wasnt UEFA Golden Boy for nothing.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on December 24, 2019, 12:29:22 AM
If he can't get going under Carlo then it's difficult to imagine he ever will.

Obviously when scores the first goal it'll lift the pressure off him and hopefully he kicks on from there.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 24, 2019, 12:29:44 AM
Take this as an olive branch...

If anyone can make this kid perform it's an experienced Italian who is an absolute winner. He said in his press conference he tried to buy him for Napoli. I hope Carlo ignites and inspires him onto better performances. If he does I will gladly eat humble pie particularly with the likes of @Brownie (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) . If not you have to wonder if McBurnie, Mouset, Maypay (Championship top scorer) Mitrovic or Pukki would have/be a better buy .Hopefully Carlo saves us the bother with a bit of man management and arm round the lads shoulder. He wasnt UEFA Golden Boy for nothing.


The likes of me? Please elaborate
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 24, 2019, 12:30:55 AM
The likes of me? Please elaborate

Purely as you challenged me the hardest on slating him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Juanito on December 24, 2019, 12:32:12 AM
I donít even know if Anthony Gordon was on the bench but it would have surely made more sense to bring him on wide left to keep the shape.

Tosun barely broke into a sweat, couldnít find his own team-mates with the ball and didnít look close to offering any kind of threat or platform to play off. A truly awful player and horrendous waste of money.

From the moment I saw Tosun coming on I thought that was it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 24, 2019, 12:56:08 AM
Probably saying this due to my Celtic roots and hoops fans fuming for not fronting another 500k at the time, but until his injury he has been class at Villa and his tenacity, skill and vision is made for Everton.  I'd love his to buy John McGinn.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thomas on December 24, 2019, 12:57:31 AM
I donít even know if Anthony Gordon was on the bench but it would have surely made more sense to bring him on wide left to keep the shape.

Tosun barely broke into a sweat, couldnít find his own team-mates with the ball and didnít look close to offering any kind of threat or platform to play off. A truly awful player and horrendous waste of money.

Agreed. Lesson learnt. Look to academy before splurging money. A la Ajax or Man Utd (Fergie or Solskjaer looking to Greenwood)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: everton15 on December 24, 2019, 03:23:34 PM
Take this as an olive branch...

If anyone can make this kid perform it's an experienced Italian who is an absolute winner. He said in his press conference he tried to buy him for Napoli. I hope Carlo ignites and inspires him onto better performances. If he does I will gladly eat humble pie particularly with the likes of @Brownie (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) . If not you have to wonder if McBurnie, Mouset, Maypay (Championship top scorer) Mitrovic or Pukki would have/be a better buy .Hopefully Carlo saves us the bother with a bit of man management and arm round the lads shoulder. He wasnt UEFA Golden Boy for nothing.

BEST thing to happen for Kean this - carlo will inspire the lad - fellow Italian - this could be the making of him
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 24, 2019, 03:35:34 PM
Agreed. Lesson learnt. Look to academy before splurging money. A la Ajax or Man Utd (Fergie or Solskjaer looking to Greenwood)
You have to have a player like Greenwood at the academy to look to in the first place.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 25, 2019, 03:59:00 AM
Probably saying this due to my Celtic roots and hoops fans fuming for not fronting another 500k at the time, but until his injury he has been class at Villa and his tenacity, skill and vision is made for Everton.  I'd love his to buy John McGinn.

Quality player.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 25, 2019, 04:01:35 AM
Quality player.

Shame he got injured like
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on December 26, 2019, 05:23:46 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/25/carlo-ancelotti-backs-moise-kean-adapt-succeed-everton
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on December 26, 2019, 05:40:15 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/25/carlo-ancelotti-backs-moise-kean-adapt-succeed-everton

The manager of Everton just said

"When I was a player I remember Michel Platini arriving at Juventus from Saint-…tienne. It took him about six months to adjust, and that was Platini. We should always be patient with young players.Ē

I'm still not sure I'll believe he's ours until I see it with my own eyes tomorrow!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on December 28, 2019, 04:46:54 AM
Dom has just put an Instagram story up with a picture of him and Kean celebrating his goal from yesterday with the caption. "Big game tomorrow. 💪"

Reading too much into it to think that's a hint of the starting strikers tomorrow?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 28, 2019, 04:59:26 AM
Dom has just put an Instagram story up with a picture of him and Kean celebrating his goal from yesterday with the caption. "Big game tomorrow. 💪"

Reading too much into it to think that's a hint of the starting strikers tomorrow?

Defo reading too much into it.

But I'd say you're right anyway because that's what I predicted and I want to gloat on the internet.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on December 28, 2019, 08:03:23 PM
Defo reading too much into it.

But I'd say you're right anyway because that's what I predicted and I want to gloat on the internet.

Post the gif of the guy tapping his temple in an all knowing way for me 😉
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 28, 2019, 08:05:48 PM
Post the gif of the guy tapping his temple in an all knowing way for me 😉

Boom. Nailed it!

🙌🏼
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on December 28, 2019, 08:08:28 PM
Scores today
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 28, 2019, 08:16:07 PM
Scores today

I already have anxiety. Both for him, and to shut up his haters already.

🙏🏼
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: pjk on December 28, 2019, 08:38:25 PM
Hopefully Ancelloti has pushed all the right buttons. The lads done very little of any note since joining. Will Ancelloti be the missing ingredient, for this lad to start justifying the hype?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 28, 2019, 08:38:55 PM
PLEASE SCORE I LOVE YOU
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 28, 2019, 08:44:24 PM
Hopefully Ancelloti has pushed all the right buttons. The lads done very little of any note since joining. Will Ancelloti be the missing ingredient, for this lad to start justifying the hype?

See this is what drives me nanners.

He's 19, 5 months into a 5-year-contract, and has been used sparingly and inconsistently, in different positions and teammates, at best. Why is he supposed to justify the hype at this point of his Everton career?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2019, 08:48:23 PM
PLEASE SCORE I LOVE YOU

When he scores at Goodison, the gaffe might collapse.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: pjk on December 28, 2019, 08:52:32 PM
See this is what drives me nanners.

He's 19, 5 months into a 5-year-contract, and has been used sparingly and inconsistently, in different positions and teammates, at best. Why is he supposed to ljustify the hype at this point of his Everton career?



It's not a criticism. There was hype about his abilities. Now that Ancelloti's on the job, he may well start to justifysome of the hype, by improving.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 28, 2019, 08:56:17 PM


It's not a criticism. There was hype about his abilities. Now that Ancelloti's on the job, he may well start to justifysome of the hype, by improving.

tbf, anyone who's universally on the global top 20 players under 20 rankings, and is one of 10 finalists for the Kopa, is going to have the abilities to support those claims.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: pjk on December 28, 2019, 09:03:46 PM
tbf, anyone who's universally on the global top 20 players under 20 rankings, and is one of 10 finalists for the Kopa, is going to have the abilities to support those claims.




Of course. I agree with that. He hasn't done it here yet though and Ancelloti possibly being the catalyst, to get him to do it, is the point I was making.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Shogun on December 28, 2019, 11:20:50 PM
Impressed today
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Martip on December 28, 2019, 11:22:13 PM
Nearly pissed myself when he was through on goal 1-1.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 28, 2019, 11:36:51 PM
The only thing he was poor at today was passing, though he did play one gorgeous thru ball for a great chance. 5 shots/3 on target was very solid, and his pace is excellent. I think/hope Carlo believes he's earned a more extensive look coming up.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: 74Blue on December 28, 2019, 11:49:01 PM
Please, please, please let him bag the winner at fucking Mordor next Sunday!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on December 28, 2019, 11:49:09 PM
When he scores at Goodison, the gaffe might collapse.

Please don't call @Audrey Horne (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=725) 'the gaffe'   :snigger:

Think he showed today that the longer he's left on, the more he learns and the more chances he gets. Because we're not blessed with a team that are 4-0 up at half-time every week - it's going to take a while to get him all the minutes he needs to progress - but I believe he will.

Happy with him today. Showed signs of improvement. Showed signs of confidence. He'll do well - but not overnight. Let's get behind him 100% and make it as easy as possible for him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on December 28, 2019, 11:56:34 PM
Please see DCL thread for why he should not be judged for a good two years.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 29, 2019, 12:03:17 AM
Please see DCL thread for why he should not be judged for a good two years.

Kean has 4 1/2 years left on his contract. Ancelotti signs 4 1/2 year contract.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/5VKbvrjxpVJCM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Morta75 on December 30, 2019, 03:06:38 PM
Need to get away off the attitude this dud. Hope Calo can sort him out, because the potential is there.
His best perfomance against Newcastle by fare... get in and work hard and the goals will come
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kerryblue boy on December 30, 2019, 04:05:37 PM
Got into really good positions on Saturday showed some pace too great player in there imo
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2019, 04:11:17 PM
Still not sure what kind of striker he is.

How was he used for Juve? Wide? Deeper? Last man?

He mad a great run against the shite off the last man. Missed the 1 on 1 like but the run was promising, I just havent seen it since.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2019, 04:25:42 PM
It's coming you know.

Thought it was going to happen when he flicked that onto himself at the weekend. Great acceleration to get to it and did everything right with the finish for me, keepers face denied him shit happens.

The roof will lift off when this lad bags.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: BlueForYou on December 30, 2019, 06:20:17 PM
Quick and will bury the rebounds............eventuall y

That'll be Anfield this weekend - 90+mins
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on December 30, 2019, 06:33:18 PM
From the clips I watched - he looked like a poacher with a knack for popping up in the box.

Seeing as we do not put those balls into the box and we're not used to having a player in those positions - I don't think he's even had a chance to show us anything he's capable of yet.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 30, 2019, 07:30:17 PM
From clips his one touch finishing is exquisite - we need someone laying off some chances. Be nice if we could thread a few through balls to him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 30, 2019, 07:36:20 PM
Playing off of DCL should suit him to a tee.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 30, 2019, 09:20:18 PM
Still not sure what kind of striker he is.

How was he used for Juve? Wide? Deeper? Last man?

He mad a great run against the shite off the last man. Missed the 1 on 1 like but the run was promising, I just havent seen it since.

As a 9, but for Juve this meant playing inside off Ronaldo. To put things in perspective, he scored 6 goals on 10 shots on target. He cleans up inside the 6, and beats keepers 1-on-1 with some clinical finishes. He's a pure striker.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 07, 2020, 01:05:14 AM
He's young and raw, but he needs to do a bit more.

Looks worse every time I watch him. I'd like to see him start against Brighton, and give Richarlison a rest.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heath on January 07, 2020, 01:50:29 AM

I feel that now the festive period is over and the players have more time to train and practice what Ancelotti wants them to do, things will start to improve to pick up for Kean as well as the rest of the squad. Personally I would like to see him start and finish the Brighton game this weekend to see how he copes, and what he offers, over the full ninety minutes. But play him properly and to his strengths. Richarlison is supposed to be fatigued, so nows the chance to give him a little recovery time whilst at the same time giving Moise Kean a runout.
 
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Alanvideo on January 07, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
He's young and raw, but he needs to do a bit more.

Looks worse every time I watch him. I'd like to see him start against Brighton, and give Richarlison a rest.
......................your first line is pure poetry. I agree he needs to start though. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: christiffa25 on January 07, 2020, 02:23:27 AM
If he was English he wouldnít be given the time of day. Italian means thereís a wonder kid in there? I honestly just donít see it. Think weíve signed a dud. Love to be wrong like
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 07, 2020, 03:18:11 AM
If he was English he wouldnít be given the time of day. Italian means thereís a wonder kid in there? I honestly just donít see it. Think weíve signed a dud. Love to be wrong like

What if that English had success for the international team, and had a great run of success for the final 1/3rd of the year in the EPL last year, and was in every single 'top 20 players under 21' list, and a finalist for the Kopa Trophy?

Would he be given the time of day then?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on January 07, 2020, 04:31:08 AM
If he was English he wouldnít be given the time of day. Italian means thereís a wonder kid in there? I honestly just donít see it. Think weíve signed a dud. Love to be wrong like

If he wasn't a local lad he wouldn't get half the chances he gets. Needs to concentrate on his football and stop skateboarding around dressed like a 1960's..oh..oh sorry wrong thread
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: irishtoffee on January 07, 2020, 05:02:54 AM
The next penalty we get, he should be allowed to take it, if heís on the pitch. You need to break a scoring drought as quickly as possible so it eases the pressure.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Ramjam on January 07, 2020, 05:28:34 AM
The next penalty we get, he should be allowed to take it, if he's on the pitch. You need to break a scoring drought as quickly as possible so it eases the pressure.
What if he misses it, confidence would be completely shot


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on January 07, 2020, 10:08:35 AM
What if he misses it, confidence would be completely shot


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Agreed but he might actually be the penalty taker if Baines and Sig arnt on the pitch (and we all hope Sig isn't)

Takes them for the Italy U23's! We all know how bad Richy was against Southampton in the cup last year and he didn't step up against Leicester.

Who else? DCL I guess?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on January 07, 2020, 03:58:42 PM
If he was English he wouldnít be given the time of day. Italian means thereís a wonder kid in there? I honestly just donít see it. Think weíve signed a dud. Love to be wrong like

I think it's too early to say either way, but he's certainly not contributed anything of note and looks completely lost on the field.

Looks like the pace and physical demands of the league have taken him by surprise and he's not able to either think quickly enough, or cope with the physicality of it all.

He's only 19 and new to the league, but the issue is he's been brought in to contribute and fallen spectacularly short of doing so.

Got to give him time but I think the development needed in his game is far greater then the club expected when they signed him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 07, 2020, 07:04:19 PM
I reckon he has got the talent and ability, he just has to get a bit more game time and a goal and get his head right. Everyones head is down at the mo, but hopefully we can see a new, better spirit at the weekend. Send him some positive waves folks :)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2020, 07:09:36 PM
Nah, he'll be absolutely fine. Ancelotti wanted to sign him for Napoli, so he knows the talent he has. Also, as Ancelotti said a week or two ago, it took the great Platini at least 6 months to settle down in Italy, before he started to show his ability. Nowt to worry about. The lad's walked into a club in chaos. A bit of calmness and stability will do him wonders now.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 07, 2020, 07:17:58 PM
A hattrick against Brighton will do him the power of good!!!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mac934 on January 07, 2020, 07:50:37 PM
A hattrick against Brighton will do him the power of good!!!
And us too.... As long as Brighton don't score 4 😳
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on January 07, 2020, 08:18:14 PM
Regular football will do him the world of good.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on January 07, 2020, 08:40:50 PM
Regular football will do him the world of good.

and playing him in his right position..
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mac934 on January 07, 2020, 08:51:33 PM
and playing him in his right position..
How many players do we buy and then not play them in their natural position? Must be loads of them.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Nicco on January 07, 2020, 08:54:49 PM
How many players do we buy and then not play them in their natural position? Must be loads of them.
Pickford...

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on January 07, 2020, 08:55:24 PM
most of them don't we....hopefully that stops now...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on January 07, 2020, 09:25:37 PM
Pickford...

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I laughed at that.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Morta75 on January 07, 2020, 09:30:52 PM
Looks lost, Need a foot up his ass to Wake up!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Up The Toffees on January 11, 2020, 05:06:00 PM
The next penalty we get, he should be allowed to take it, if heís on the pitch. You need to break a scoring drought as quickly as possible so it eases the pressure.

He had 4 chances to take a penalty against Leicester but didn't.  Instead Tosun Baines Holgate and DCL stepped up instead.

One day he will score and everyone will say see I told you he'll come good, but every game that goes by the same people say just wait it's not long off now. For me he's done nothing to justify starting upfront on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 11, 2020, 05:12:45 PM

One day he will score and everyone will say see I told you he'll come good, but every game that goes by the same people say just wait it's not long off now. For me he's done nothing to justify starting upfront on a regular basis.

He is 19.
He has come, as a young boy, to a new country.
He has come, as a young boy, to a new country, to a team in crisis.

Give him some fucking time!!!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 11, 2020, 05:16:31 PM
He had 4 chances to take a penalty against Leicester but didn't.  Instead Tosun Baines Holgate and DCL stepped up instead.

One day he will score and everyone will say see I told you he'll come good, but every game that goes by the same people say just wait it's not long off now. For me he's done nothing to justify starting upfront on a regular basis.
The manager picks the penalty takers doesnt he?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Robioto on January 11, 2020, 05:26:38 PM
I reckon he'll score today.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on January 11, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
He is 19.
He has come, as a young boy, to a new country.
He has come, as a young boy, to a new country, to a team in crisis.

Give him some fucking time!!!

Come on Lizz, you know we are not allowed grey areas in an opinion on a player. It has to be black or white.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 11, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
He had 4 chances to take a penalty against Leicester but didn't.  Instead Tosun Baines Holgate and DCL stepped up instead.

One day he will score and everyone will say see I told you he'll come good, but every game that goes by the same people say just wait it's not long off now. For me he's done nothing to justify starting upfront on a regular basis.

Just wait it's not long off now.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Old England Toffee on January 11, 2020, 07:43:49 PM
He is 19.
He has come, as a young boy, to a new country.
He has come, as a young boy, to a new country, to a team in crisis.

Give him some fucking time!!!

I just woke up and read this thinking it was a song idea. Initially I thought thatís a bit weird for a song but by the end I was trying to work out what tune it was. Back to slee I think.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueToffee on January 11, 2020, 08:41:07 PM
I reckon he'll score today.

I think someone has posted that in every single match thread this season.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Robioto on January 11, 2020, 10:24:23 PM
I think someone has posted that in every single match thread this season.

Think it's the first time I've said it, but probably not!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueToffee on January 11, 2020, 11:03:41 PM
Think it's the first time I've said it, but probably not!

I'm going to try it next game :)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 11, 2020, 11:42:50 PM
He is 19.
He has come, as a young boy, to a new country.
He has come, as a young boy, to a new country, to a team in crisis.

Give him some fucking time!!!
Quite right. Although there seems to be more people saying that now than on the day he arrived.

People were saying he's ready to start after blasting one over the bar in the last ten minutes against a team chasing the game second home game in.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on January 12, 2020, 08:45:32 PM
We could really do with being more than 1 goal ahead, going into the last 20 minutes of a game, so this lad can come on in a relaxed situation and bag that first goal. Really think that will be such a massive step for him, when he gets the feeling of scoring back and feels the confidence associated with helping the team.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 12, 2020, 08:54:26 PM
We could really do with being more than 1 goal ahead, going into the last 20 minutes of a game, so this lad can come on in a relaxed situation and bag that first goal. Really think that will be such a massive step for him, when he gets the feeling of scoring back and feels the confidence associated with helping the team.

It's equally unfortunate that the start Silva got us off to essentially changed our entire season to one with no breathing room. Flip the results of the Villa, Sheffield, Brighton.1 and Norwich matches, we have 37 pts and are sitting pretty in 5th right now. We'd easily be able to absorb the growing pains as we got Kean serious minutes. Thanks, Marco.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Up The Toffees on January 13, 2020, 03:25:34 PM
The manager picks the penalty takers doesnt he?

I'm pretty sure players put themselves forward to take one.  Maybe he was on the 5th one or he just didn't have the confidence to step up. Guess we'll never know.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Up The Toffees on January 13, 2020, 03:27:32 PM
It's equally unfortunate that the start Silva got us off to essentially changed our entire season to one with no breathing room. Flip the results of the Villa, Sheffield, Brighton.1 and Norwich matches, we have 37 pts and are sitting pretty in 5th right now. We'd easily be able to absorb the growing pains as we got Kean serious minutes. Thanks, Marco.

If we'd of won them games then Marco would still be here.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Up The Toffees on January 13, 2020, 03:36:15 PM
Just to clarify, I want the best for Everton and if this lad comes good then great.  I just like to judge players on what they do in a Blue shirt and not what they've done for other teams or how highly rated they are...

For me we aren't a charity case and the lad has to earn a start.  I've seen some comments saying drop/rest Richarlison against Brighton and give him ago.  If we get a penalty let him take it, bring him on when we have the game wrapped up to let him get his first goal. 

Let's see what happens towards the end of the season, but if we could recoup what we paid for him now, would you?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on January 13, 2020, 03:39:42 PM
Just to clarify, I want the best for Everton and if this lad comes good then great.  I just like to judge players on what they do in a Blue shirt and not what they've done for other teams or how highly rated they are...

For me we aren't a charity case and the lad has to earn a start.  I've seen some comments saying drop/rest Richarlison against Brighton and give him ago.  If we get a penalty let him take it, bring him on when we have the game wrapped up to let him get his first goal. 

Let's see what happens towards the end of the season, but if we could recoup what we paid for him now, would you?

Heís not here to be judged after six months.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Robioto on January 13, 2020, 04:13:39 PM
Just to clarify, I want the best for Everton and if this lad comes good then great.  I just like to judge players on what they do in a Blue shirt and not what they've done for other teams or how highly rated they are...

For me we aren't a charity case and the lad has to earn a start.  I've seen some comments saying drop/rest Richarlison against Brighton and give him ago.  If we get a penalty let him take it, bring him on when we have the game wrapped up to let him get his first goal. 

Let's see what happens towards the end of the season, but if we could recoup what we paid for him now, would you?

No I wouldn't, I think it will prove to be a good a profitable signing both in performances and monetary terms.

This signing was clearly a long term one and while we all wanted and probably expected to see more half way though this season, it's perfectly normal for a 19 year old who has come in from another country to take a while to settle. It's not like he's been getting many minutes to prove himself recently under Ancelotti because of the form of Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison and under Silva it wasn't exactly easy going was it...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on January 13, 2020, 05:13:39 PM
Just to clarify, I want the best for Everton and if this lad comes good then great.  I just like to judge players on what they do in a Blue shirt and not what they've done for other teams or how highly rated they are...

For me we aren't a charity case and the lad has to earn a start.  I've seen some comments saying drop/rest Richarlison against Brighton and give him ago.  If we get a penalty let him take it, bring him on when we have the game wrapped up to let him get his first goal. 

Let's see what happens towards the end of the season, but if we could recoup what we paid for him now, would you?

@Brownie (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) can sign you up as a fully paid up member of his Black and White Never Grey brigade as soon as you are ready.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on January 13, 2020, 05:52:57 PM
@Brownie (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) can sign you up as a fully paid up member of his Black and White Never Grey brigade as soon as you are ready.

Need a hug sunbeam?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on January 13, 2020, 05:59:15 PM
Just to clarify, I want the best for Everton and if this lad comes good then great.  I just like to judge players on what they do in a Blue shirt and not what they've done for other teams or how highly rated they are...

For me we aren't a charity case and the lad has to earn a start.  I've seen some comments saying drop/rest Richarlison against Brighton and give him ago.  If we get a penalty let him take it, bring him on when we have the game wrapped up to let him get his first goal. 

Let's see what happens towards the end of the season, but if we could recoup what we paid for him now, would you?

No, and even asking the question at this stage is preposterous.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on January 13, 2020, 06:05:23 PM
just NO...
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 13, 2020, 06:24:13 PM
Is it not a bit early to be judging him regardless of fee?

How long was it between DCL breaking into the first team and the form we see now?

We've been crap, especially at providing good opportunities for strikers, all season. Let's give him a chance to bed in, and play in a side with a bit of confidence..if he's struggling next season I'd worry.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on January 13, 2020, 06:38:02 PM
No, and even asking the question at this stage is preposterous.

It's preposterous for us to ask the question but it would understandable if the lad himself asked the question, if he doesn't get much game time until the end of the season. The young very rarely have the patience and foresight required in these situations. Hopefully Ancelotti can provide that counsel.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gash on January 13, 2020, 06:41:22 PM
The lad's 19 years old, in a new league and played less than 500 minutes of Premier League football in a team that wasn't exactly creating lots of chances and is low in confidence. Daft to be writing him off already and thinking about selling him.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 13, 2020, 07:14:11 PM
Just to clarify, I want the best for Everton and if this lad comes good then great.  I just like to judge players on what they do in a Blue shirt and not what they've done for other teams or how highly rated they are...

For me we aren't a charity case and the lad has to earn a start.  I've seen some comments saying drop/rest Richarlison against Brighton and give him ago.  If we get a penalty let him take it, bring him on when we have the game wrapped up to let him get his first goal. 

Let's see what happens towards the end of the season, but if we could recoup what we paid for him now, would you?

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toddacelli on January 13, 2020, 07:14:27 PM
Just to clarify, I want the best for Everton and if this lad comes good then great.  I just like to judge players on what they do in a Blue shirt and not what they've done for other teams or how highly rated they are...

For me we aren't a charity case and the lad has to earn a start.  I've seen some comments saying drop/rest Richarlison against Brighton and give him ago.  If we get a penalty let him take it, bring him on when we have the game wrapped up to let him get his first goal. 

Let's see what happens towards the end of the season, but if we could recoup what we paid for him now, would you?

Nope. Long-term investment. Far more valuable asset once has been given time to mature.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 13, 2020, 07:18:46 PM
It's preposterous for us to ask the question but it would understandable if the lad himself asked the question, if he doesn't get much game time until the end of the season. The young very rarely have the patience and foresight required in these situations. Hopefully Ancelotti can provide that counsel.

Clearly a wonderful coincidence, but having an Italian manager (whose contract is for the exact length of his) can only be a great thing for Kean. There will be nothing lost in translation, and by all accounts, Carlo is a master at connecting with his players at even a level beyond football. I'm still extremely optimistic. Perhaps moreso even.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on January 13, 2020, 07:22:00 PM
Rafael Leo- Moved to AC Milan in the summer and has one goal in his last seventeen games.

Cutrone- As highly rated as Kean and is back on loan to italy as he's hardly played.

Even Felix is struggling after his move to Spain.

Whats happening to Kean is the norm. No reason to worry or panic.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 13, 2020, 07:24:58 PM
Rafael Leo- Moved to AC Milan in the summer and has one goal in his last seventeen games.

Cutrone- As highly rated as Kean and is back on loan to italy as he's hardly played.

Even Felix is struggling after his move to Spain.

Whats happening to Kean is the norm. No reason to worry or panic.

Don't forget Pepe; 3g in 19 games for Arsenal. And he cost £72m!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on January 13, 2020, 07:28:23 PM
The problem with Kean is that he was brought in for the future but expected to contribute in the mean time, which he hasn't done, and it's left us short up top.

Add to that the fact he seems so far behind DCL and Richarlison, he was subbed on and off again within 20 minutes (rightly or wrongly), and was fined for being late for two team meetings, it's been a bit of a disastrous signing so far.

I think the development he needs is probably quite a lot bigger then the in expected and we've ended up buying only potential, not potential with the ability to contribute meaningfully now.

This leaves us with a massive issue in terms of signing a prolific striker as we then stunt either his or one of DCL or Richarlison's development.... Or we stick with those 3 even though it means we'll struggle.to compete for a top 6 or top 4 spot next season.

If Kean doesn't show something before the end of the season it might make sense to loan him out for 12 months to an Italian club where he'll be guaranteed game time, and we can then buy a 20 a goal season striker to convert more chances in to goals and give us 3 strikers who can all contribute regularly.

Definitely wouldn't sell him though, not unless he desperately wants to leave.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on January 13, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
I think we should stick him in the U23s for a few games to get match practice and for him to remember what it's like to score a goal. Build some confidence and fitness up.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bluedylan on January 13, 2020, 07:38:02 PM
We need more signings like Kean, not fewer. Look at the way some of the younger Leicester signings are coming to fruition now. Obviously you do need a blend of kinds of player, and ages, but generally speaking our future will be brighter if we sign young players whose ability and price tag will increase over time.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 13, 2020, 07:39:53 PM
The problem with Kean is that he was brought in for the future but expected to contribute in the mean time, which he hasn't done, and it's left us short up top.

Add to that the fact he seems so far behind DCL and Richarlison, he was subbed on and off again within 20 minutes (rightly or wrongly), and was fined for being late for two team meetings, it's been a bit of a disastrous signing so far.

I think the development he needs is probably quite a lot bigger then the in expected and we've ended up buying only potential, not potential with the ability to contribute meaningfully now.

This leaves us with a massive issue in terms of signing a prolific striker as we then stunt either his or one of DCL or Richarlison's development.... Or we stick with those 3 even though it means we'll struggle.to compete for a top 6 or top 4 spot next season.

If Kean doesn't show something before the end of the season it might make sense to loan him out for 12 months to an Italian club where he'll be guaranteed game time, and we can then buy a 20 a goal season striker to convert more chances in to goals and give us 3 strikers who can all contribute regularly.

Definitely wouldn't sell him though, not unless he desperately wants to leave.

Here's my take on that; I believe it was solely down to our start to the season going badly sideways. Which then caused a scenario where there was simply no wiggle room to bed in a teenage striker. We're still in the middle of that, and probably will be through season end. IMO they definitely had a plan; it just got tossed out the window.

Forget about him being 19 on a new team in a new league in a new country without speaking the language. Even if none of those were issues, he's had 3 managers, each with different philosophies & tactics, in 5 months. He should be far behind Richy & DCL; They're 3 years older than him! When they were 19, neither one of them was anywhere near as accomplished.

Loaning him to Italy I think makes no sense. He's not going to learn anything related to Everton, the Prem, or England. It just delays his acclimation by that much longer. We're 10% into Kean's contract, with an Italian manager. It's very much a stay the course plan for me (and I'd bet for EFC too). Besides, you can't just go buy 20-goal strikers, they don't grow on trees yíknow!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on January 13, 2020, 07:42:49 PM
I think we should stick him in the U23s for a few games to get match practice and for him to remember what it's like to score a goal. Build some confidence and fitness up.

Not sure about that. Sticking him in the U23's could have the opposite affect on his confidence.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 13, 2020, 07:45:37 PM
Not sure about that. Sticking him in the U23's could have the opposite affect on his confidence.

I don't know, I think we as fans tend to overemphasize things, myself included. He's 19 sure, but he's a professional footballer y'know? He's not a fragile egg. One good talk from Ancelotti to Kean, in Italian, and the lad will be fine with any plan. Plus he'd probably boss it at the U23 level.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on January 13, 2020, 07:46:11 PM
Not sure about that. Sticking him in the U23's could have the opposite affect on his confidence.

Just sit down and talk to him, and say we're giving you some games in the U23s because you're not getting much time in the first team, so we want you to build up match fitness and get some goals. I mean we could still include him on the subs bench at the weekend. Don't see why he can't do both for a couple of weeks? Maybe that's an option. Play for the reserves in the week, on the bench at the weekend.

That's what the reserves used to be all about back in the day. Don't kknow why they scrapped it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: dazfrancis on January 13, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
Need a hug sunbeam?

Wasn't a dig at you. You just coined a very app term for a small number of posters on here and they could do with having a bit of your nuance
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on January 13, 2020, 07:52:32 PM
Yes maybe. Provided he's still in the first team match day squad for every game.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 13, 2020, 08:09:52 PM
It's preposterous for us to ask the question but it would understandable if the lad himself asked the question, if he doesn't get much game time until the end of the season. The young very rarely have the patience and foresight required in these situations. Hopefully Ancelotti can provide that counsel.

I think thatís the danger. Thereís a chance heís going to be looking for a move back to Italy in the summer if things donít improve for him
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on January 13, 2020, 08:31:37 PM
Here's my take on that; I believe it was solely down to our start to the season going badly sideways. Which then caused a scenario where there was simply no wiggle room to bed in a teenage striker. We're still in the middle of that, and probably will be through season end. IMO they definitely had a plan; it just got tossed out the window.

Forget about him being 19 on a new team in a new league in a new country without speaking the language. Even if none of those were issues, he's had 3 managers, each with different philosophies & tactics, in 5 months. He should be far behind Richy & DCL; They're 3 years older than him! When they were 19, neither one of them was anywhere near as accomplished.

Loaning him to Italy I think makes no sense. He's not going to learn anything related to Everton, the Prem, or England. It just delays his acclimation by that much longer. We're 10% into Kean's contract, with an Italian manager. It's very much a stay the course plan for me (and I'd bet for EFC too). Besides, you can't just go buy 20-goal strikers, they don't grow on trees yíknow!

I agree with the circumstances you've listed, they've definitely hindered his development.

I think the issue is we can't carry a passenger again next season so he does need to show he can contribute before the end of the season... If we start next season with just those 3 and Richarlison gets a Gomes type injury, and say DCL is out for two months we're screwed if Kean is our only option and still not able to contribute... To risk that scenario with a team with our ambitions and outlay in a world-class manager is negligent imo.

So he really does need to get up to speed or we have to look at options outside of him and a loan to Italy whilst it won't help him get used to the EPL would allow him to develop his game and come back as a real option.

Best case scenario the new manager and more game time gets him to the level he needs to be at, but if he's still no where near by the end of the season I don't see how we can go in to next year with him as o e of our three strikers
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on January 13, 2020, 08:41:53 PM
Yes maybe. Provided he's still in the first team match day squad for every game.



Definitely doable. I guess there's reasons why that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 13, 2020, 09:19:26 PM
I agree with the circumstances you've listed, they've definitely hindered his development.

I think the issue is we can't carry a passenger again next season so he does need to show he can contribute before the end of the season... If we start next season with just those 3 and Richarlison gets a Gomes type injury, and say DCL is out for two months we're screwed if Kean is our only option and still not able to contribute... To risk that scenario with a team with our ambitions and outlay in a world-class manager is negligent imo.

So he really does need to get up to speed or we have to look at options outside of him and a loan to Italy whilst it won't help him get used to the EPL would allow him to develop his game and come back as a real option.

Best case scenario the new manager and more game time gets him to the level he needs to be at, but if he's still no where near by the end of the season I don't see how we can go in to next year with him as o e of our three strikers

Well, I trust Carlo knows what he has, and of course watches him in practice, so it's just a matter of when not if.

Here's the problem with going out to get a 4th striker. If you're going to spend big to get the kind you're talking about, then what's the point of having the other 3 guys? This hypothetical 20-goal scorer certainly isn't going to back-up DCL. And Kean drops one rung of the ladder, even further away from developing. Plus beyond that we still need a better midfield so adding another guy who won't get great service seems fruitless until we get that MF sorted IMO.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Brownie on January 13, 2020, 10:13:22 PM
Wasn't a dig at you. You just coined a very app term for a small number of posters on here and they could do with having a bit of your nuance

Iím so sorry, didnít take that as it was intended. My bad
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: kramer0 on January 13, 2020, 10:14:19 PM
He should be in the first team, no question.

I think he basically needs the same treatment Lukaku got at West Brom, where Long would do the grunt work for 60í or so and Rom would come on for the last 30í or so to terrorize tired defenses. By the end of that season, Lukaku was capable of starting games and offering the same threat, which we benefited from for the next four seasons.

DCL and Richarlison have been effective at battering opposing defenses recently but the lack of fitness (and quality) behind them has made it hard for Ancelotti to use a sub on the forward positions. Once the team is a little more settled, I think youíre going to see plenty of sub minutes, and plenty of goals, from Moise Kean. Watch the videos of him pulling out wide and running with the ball from his Juve days. Defenders are going to have a nightmare chasing this lad around after 60-70 minutes of dealing with our starting forward duo.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on January 13, 2020, 10:53:05 PM
Well, I trust Carlo knows what he has, and of course watches him in practice, so it's just a matter of when not if.

Here's the problem with going out to get a 4th striker. If you're going to spend big to get the kind you're talking about, then what's the point of having the other 3 guys? This hypothetical 20-goal scorer certainly isn't going to back-up DCL. And Kean drops one rung of the ladder, even further away from developing. Plus beyond that we still need a better midfield so adding another guy who won't get great service seems fruitless until we get that MF sorted IMO.

Yeah like I said if he can show something before the end of the season there's no point bringing someone else in... but if there's doubt he can cope again next year that 4th striker becomes important, even if it's someone older with maybe only one or two years left, just to fill the void until Kean is ready. 

What we don't want is a repeat of what's happened to our midfield this season where first choice players get injured and our season stutters or falls away as a result.  I'm happy for Kean to be seen as a viable first team player who can admirably fill in for Richarlison or DCL if they get injured, but only in that situation because otherwise we risk having another big bad patch because our recruitment hasn't added the sufficient depth of quality required.

I think we'll have to see how things pan out over the rest of the season for him under a hopefully inspiring and astute manager and more game time / time to adapt.  I don't think there's a definitive answer for next season yet, it depends on the next few months.  We shouldn't though hamper our season next year based purely on blind faith or stubbornness due to his high price tag / perceived potential.  He HAS to be able to contribute and be a reliable option next season or we do need to bring someone in whilst he learns his trade properly for a year elsewhere.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: formerKHL on January 13, 2020, 11:23:24 PM
We need a proven goal scorer and have done for 3 years.......
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 13, 2020, 11:32:44 PM
We need a proven goal scorer and have done for 3 years.......

I can't decided if this, or "need Prem experience" is the more annoying comment.

Anyway, define "proven goal scorer," will ya?
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on January 14, 2020, 03:13:13 AM
We need a proven goal scorer and have done for 3 years.......

DCL & Richarlison have both got 8 each, so weíre doing fine.

Imagine how many more they would both have if they didnít have Sigurdsson and/or Schneiderlin in CM every week.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Juanito on January 14, 2020, 03:25:49 AM
We need a proven goal scorer and have done for 3 years.......

We have Brands and now Ancelotti that know we have the unique opportunity to develop players like Richarlson and DCL, which will set a precedence to other young talented players around Europe.  These two are developing together brilliantly and will be even better next season with better players behind them.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lazarou on January 14, 2020, 03:26:25 AM
Service to the strikers has been a problem for while especially under Silva, aimless crosses and very few quality chances created, hopefully Ancelotti is on it.

Kean just needs a goal, shame we don't have a cup run he could play in.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on January 15, 2020, 08:21:56 PM
Fine incoming.....

https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1217448448305307648
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Robioto on January 15, 2020, 08:38:34 PM
 
Fine incoming.....

https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1217448448305307648

I may have stolen this... but the first 3 points he's earned since being at Everton.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on January 16, 2020, 04:56:48 PM

I may have stolen this... but the first 3 points he's earned since being at Everton.

I hate to ruin a good joke but it's 6 points.

And he's only 19. If he passed his test less than two years ago that's a ban!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Robioto on January 16, 2020, 05:02:52 PM
I hate to ruin a good joke but it's 6 points.

And he's only 19. If he passed his test less than two years ago that's a ban!

Yeah I did know that but chose to ignore it for the purpose of the joke. :) £300 fine now as well. On a serious note, I personally think it should be an instant ban like in France, I used to work for the fire service and know all you well what dicking about on your phone while driving can do to yourself and others.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Up The Toffees on January 16, 2020, 06:05:19 PM
He is 19.
He has come, as a young boy, to a new country.
He has come, as a young boy, to a new country, to a team in crisis.

Give him some fucking time!!!

He's becoming more famous for his off field antics rather than on.

Hopefully someone gets a grip of him (apart from the poilce) and the next time we read about him is when hes scored a goal or at least contributed something to a game.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 16, 2020, 06:32:28 PM
Fuck sake Moise
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2020, 06:35:02 PM
He'll come good, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: PaddockBlue on January 16, 2020, 08:54:10 PM
We will be looking at a bargain next season no doubt about it. lad has had no luck at all.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Heath on January 17, 2020, 07:17:17 AM

The lad does himself no favours at all really. Let's hope that sometime very soon he'll start getting regular game time and positive attention for his performances on the pitch. Would like to see him get a runout against the Hammers to help blow the cobwebs away and top up his match-fitness.

Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Jamokachi on January 17, 2020, 07:53:22 AM
He's Italian though to be fair... their road safety standards aren't exactly exemplary!
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Blue Lagoon on January 17, 2020, 12:02:10 PM
He's Italian though to be fair... their road safety standards aren't exactly exemplary!
Lol so true!


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Gary Todd on January 17, 2020, 03:07:41 PM
The lad needs a goal he's had chances but fucking fluffed them he's far from shit mind you and I'm sure once he gets that elusive goal he will be fine

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on January 17, 2020, 06:38:57 PM
OS just posted a short video of him doing keepie ups.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on January 17, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
OS just posted a short video of him doing keepie ups.

In before the better than Lukaku shout.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on January 17, 2020, 06:46:39 PM
In before the better than Lukaku shout.

Lukaku did keepie ins. Keepie in the back of the net :)
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: winny5366 on January 17, 2020, 07:36:17 PM
Lukaku's ball control was proper shit, he could score though.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 17, 2020, 11:33:19 PM
Assuming heíll start tomorrow. Big game for him. Heís got to start scoring and step up this season or I can see us bringing in a senior striker in the summer.

Not to say heís a flop or the club will give up on him but players have to contribute if weíre to get where we want to be.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 17, 2020, 11:36:04 PM
Lukaku's ball control was proper shit, he could score though.
Iím reading Carloís biography and thereís a bit where   
Filippo Inzaghi gets a mention for not being able to trap a bad of cement in training. Could finish though!


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 17, 2020, 11:52:35 PM
Assuming heíll start tomorrow. Big game for him. Heís got to start scoring and step up this season or I can see us bringing in a senior striker in the summer.

Not to say heís a flop or the club will give up on him but players have to contribute if weíre to get where we want to be.


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Have you ever wanted someone to score so badly it hurt?

lol
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Bigjmill on January 18, 2020, 12:09:08 AM
Tosun
Denis Stracqualursi
Beckford
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Up The Toffees on January 18, 2020, 12:12:52 AM
Assuming heíll start tomorrow. Big game for him. Heís got to start scoring and step up this season or I can see us bringing in a senior striker in the summer.

Not to say heís a flop or the club will give up on him but players have to contribute if weíre to get where we want to be.


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We'll see how much faith Carlo has in him when the teams announced. 

If he's giving a chance then its finally time to put a marker down, it's not just about scoring a goal either, I'll be more than happy if his all round game is good, that way he'll get more chances and if he's as good as I'm often told he is (yet to see it myself) then the goals will surely follow.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Up The Toffees on January 18, 2020, 12:13:58 AM
Have you ever wanted someone to score so badly it hurt?

lol

Tony Hibbert
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 18, 2020, 01:03:48 AM
Be surprised if he starts tomorrow.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on January 18, 2020, 01:46:29 AM
Yeah deffo be a bigger surprise if he started, just not sure how else he could set up.

DCL and Walcott with Sidibie on the right I suppose.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 18, 2020, 02:13:11 AM
Either way, not sure Kean has got 90 mins in him, so thereíll need to be some sort of tinkering.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: howard1334 on January 18, 2020, 02:24:00 AM
With Richarlison out, decent change he starts, particularly if we decide to stay with the 442.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 18, 2020, 08:09:49 PM
Here we go, lad.

Make us proud. Please. 🙏🏼
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on January 18, 2020, 08:18:57 PM
Away from home so less pressure on him.


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Robioto on January 18, 2020, 08:55:48 PM
I reckon he'll score today.

For about the 10th time I've said this. Will come true one day.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Old England Toffee on January 18, 2020, 09:52:00 PM
I reckon he'll score today.

For about the 10th time I've said this. Will come true one day.
Did you say that for Sandro
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Robioto on January 18, 2020, 09:52:33 PM
Did you say that for Sandro

Haha, yeah probably.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueToffee on January 18, 2020, 11:10:32 PM
Was ok today, but you'd not say he did enough to keep his place if Richarlison was fit.

DCL and he didn't look in sync at all would be the disappointing thing, they need to work together more in training.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: velimski on January 18, 2020, 11:20:26 PM
Got to be honest. Thought he was poor today.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: markB on January 18, 2020, 11:23:37 PM
Kean is just Oumar without the work rate or goals
 
sub at best if the club have the time to wait on him all good if not cash in ASAP and move on
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on January 18, 2020, 11:25:43 PM
He's a way off a regular starter. Needs more time on the pitch though, but from the bench. Was good he was given a run out though, especially in a stadium where any abuse wouldn't be heard.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 18, 2020, 11:31:28 PM
Was ok today, but you'd not say he did enough to keep his place if Richarlison was fit.

DCL and he didn't look in sync at all would be the disappointing thing, they need to work together more in training.

He's a way off a regular starter. Needs more time on the pitch though, but from the bench. Was good he was given a run out though, especially in a stadium where any abuse wouldn't be heard.

Completely agree with you both. I do think he needs regular time with DCL, and Richy, or both in a 433, but not as a starter. Not right now. 5 year contract. He's got time.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueski on January 19, 2020, 12:10:27 AM
Seems to tire quickly for a young lad, needs more games imo
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 19, 2020, 12:19:24 AM
Does he get any kind of match action? Is there such a thing as reserve football anymore?
He needs minutes in a match situation.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Lxxx on January 19, 2020, 12:19:54 AM
Didnít do great, didnít do badly.

Played like a 19 year old lad who hasnít played much football in a team that couldnít create a chance if they were still playing now.

Itís another 75 minutes in the bank for a boy whoís finding his way in the game.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blueToffee on January 19, 2020, 12:24:23 AM
Don't think he actually got to have a shot on goal did he? I think that highlights we weren't exactly giving him a lot to work with.

At the same time, you can also acknowledge he didn't always help himself in that regard. Had some sloppy first touches or didn't put himself in great positions to receive the ball.

Mixed bag.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Silas on January 19, 2020, 12:35:20 AM
It's a big shame we aren't in the cups. Not enough games for the lad to cut his teeth not expecting much from him until he gets a pre season
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Simon Paul on January 19, 2020, 12:41:21 AM
Didn't do great, didn't do badly.

Played like a 19 year old lad who hasn't played much football in a team that couldn't create a chance if they were still playing now.

It's another 75 minutes in the bank for a boy who's finding his way in the game.
Doesn't help that he got fuck all service like
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 19, 2020, 12:44:29 AM
Don't think he actually got to have a shot on goal did he? I think that highlights we weren't exactly giving him a lot to work with.

At the same time, you can also acknowledge he didn't always help himself in that regard. Had some sloppy first touches or didn't put himself in great positions to receive the ball.

Mixed bag.

0 shots, and I can't remember a single time he got the ball in anything resembling a shooting position.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on January 19, 2020, 12:49:12 AM
Couldn't be cause we have a shite midfield and no build up play could it beep boop
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Omar on January 19, 2020, 01:15:33 AM
I wonder if he could play on the right, in theoís spot when Richy is back.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: sam of the south on January 19, 2020, 01:21:47 AM
I wonder if he could play on the right, in theoís spot when Richy is back.

Didnít do great when he played there against Watford in the League Cup.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: GLewis on January 19, 2020, 01:25:34 AM
Didnít do great when he played there against Watford in the League Cup.

Also seems physically more suited to sharp bursts rather than repeated long slogs up and down then wing.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 19, 2020, 01:26:42 AM
I wonder if he could play on the right, in theoís spot when Richy is back.

But Richy can for sure, and he's pretty good at it. That said I still wouldn't start him much. Iwobi may get some chances there, whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Omar on January 19, 2020, 01:28:19 AM
But Richy can for sure, and he's pretty good at it. That said I still wouldn't start him much. Iwobi may get some chances there, whether we like it or not.

I thought about that as well, but I think Richy up top alongside DCL really helps them both. Theo's kind of a waste over there on the right.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Risky on January 19, 2020, 01:38:35 AM
He'll come good, no doubt about it.  Combination of factors as to why it's not working for him yet such as age, experience, lack of a decent run in the team.  You can see how him and DCL are trying to combine, but they're on a different wavelength at the minute.  It's a cliche but one going in off his arse or whatever will do him a load of good and ease some of the tension he's clearly playing with.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 19, 2020, 01:45:44 AM
Couldn't be cause we have a shite midfield and no build up play could it beep boop
Poor shout that mate, he should be picking it up outside our box and dribble his way up to offensive areas then slot with ease.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 19, 2020, 01:47:47 AM
Kean is just Oumar without the work rate or goals
 
sub at best if the club have the time to wait on him all good if not cash in ASAP and move on
You have to be on the wind up. Otherwise this is the shittest football take ive seen in a while.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: cantoffee on January 19, 2020, 02:43:40 AM
Lots of time to improve.

Poor for the goal though. Looked like zonal marking and he just stopped dropping back thinking someone else would win the header.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Up The Toffees on January 19, 2020, 02:46:21 AM
He'll come good, no doubt about it.  Combination of factors as to why it's not working for him yet such as age, experience, lack of a decent run in the team.  You can see how him and DCL are trying to combine, but they're on a different wavelength at the minute.  It's a cliche but one going in off his arse or whatever will do him a load of good and ease some of the tension he's clearly playing with.

I wish I shared your optimism.  Today was a chance for him to show us something and I actually thought he started ok first 10/15 minutes then slowly he drifted more and more out the game.

Second half he might aswell stayed in the changies.

People mentioning about getting a goal to build his confidence or one going in off his arse, in order for that to happen you have to be in the right places in the box, to me he doesn't get in the right positions and he's also very static. 

He may get another chance to start against Newcastle or if not I'd imagine he'd get some game time so hopefully hes shows us a little glimpse of something as I dont want to have to see Niasse come on ever again.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: TheRam on January 19, 2020, 02:52:12 AM
DCL is a perfect example of why you should let 19 year old strikers have time to develop and improve.

If he was shite today then so what? What do people expect from him?

Will be a long time before we see this lad show what he could have. Thatís fine though. We have two strikers scoring goals on a regular basis so let the lad learn and develop here without writing him off early doors.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on January 19, 2020, 03:06:15 AM
DCL is a perfect example of why you should let 19 year old strikers have time to develop and improve.

If he was shite today then so what? What do people expect from him?

Will be a long time before we see this lad show what he could have. That's fine though. We have two strikers scoring goals on a regular basis so let the lad learn and develop here without writing him off early doors.
I've got loads of admiration for people like Kean, JJK and even Lookman, people willing to give it a go and try something new at such a young age in order to better themselves. Much better players than all of them have made transitions like this and failed, it's not easy, and for certain reasons it hasn't worked.
The main thing is they all got these opportunities for one reason, they're very talented, but you need to stick by him to give him that time. We should've had better options so we haven't had to use him as much is my main criticism and for that reason I think we'll be just as culpable, if not more, if he doesn't succeed

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on January 19, 2020, 03:09:46 AM
Seen people saying give him time in the rezzies, beyond daft.

He needs time in the prem. We've nothing to play for here so why not develop these more. Build the side around the young players and prepare for next year.

11th with Moise Kean and Anthony Gordon acclimatised to the league and prepared to take off next season would be IMMEASURABLY better for this club than 10th,9th,8th.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 19, 2020, 03:29:13 AM
DCL is a perfect example of why you should let 19 year old strikers have time to develop and improve.

If he was shite today then so what? What do people expect from him?

Will be a long time before we see this lad show what he could have. Thatís fine though. We have two strikers scoring goals on a regular basis so let the lad learn and develop here without writing him off early doors.

What do people expect from him? I'm sure that varies but I doubt anyone expected this level of output from him after half a season. He's falling short of what every single 1 of us expected from him when he signed

Certainly not writing him off but at the same time anyone who says they haven't been so far disappointed in him is lying
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 19, 2020, 03:33:56 AM
People were expecting him to be the fulcrum of our attack this season. Same people now are saying give him time.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on January 19, 2020, 03:34:55 AM
People were expecting him to be the fulcrum of our attack this season. Same people now are saying give him time.

You should listen to these people
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: ajax_andy on January 19, 2020, 03:48:42 AM
DCL is a perfect example of why you should let 19 year old strikers have time to develop and improve.

If he was shite today then so what? What do people expect from him?

Will be a long time before we see this lad show what he could have. Thatís fine though. We have two strikers scoring goals on a regular basis so let the lad learn and develop here without writing him off early doors.

Problem is there's about 26 million differences between DCL and Kean... So you do have to take that in to account.

One at 19 wasn't bought to contribute now, the other was.

Yes he needs to be given time to develop but so far he's not added anything to the team, which at the price we paid was surely expected by the people who signed him... Maybe not his fault, maybe it is, we'll never know, but I don't think you can compare DCL and Kean at 19 purely down to the reasons they were bought for.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: cantoffee on January 19, 2020, 03:51:12 AM
Seen people saying give him time in the rezzies, beyond daft.

He needs time in the prem. We've nothing to play for here so why not develop these more. Build the side around the young players and prepare for next year.

11th with Moise Kean and Anthony Gordon acclimatised to the league and prepared to take off next season would be IMMEASURABLY better for this club than 10th,9th,8th.
You keep saying we have nothing to play for but we are 5 points off 6th.

I doubt we'll get there but I'd like to think the squad will have enough self belief to make a go of it.

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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: blargins on January 19, 2020, 03:52:41 AM
Seen people saying give him time in the rezzies, beyond daft.

He needs time in the prem. We've nothing to play for here so why not develop these more. Build the side around the young players and prepare for next year.

11th with Moise Kean and Anthony Gordon acclimatised to the league and prepared to take off next season would be IMMEASURABLY better for this club than 10th,9th,8th.
The whole point in the reserves was to allow players get back to full fitness and recover from injury. Not sure why that was all changed.

Kean will start from the bench most games so why not give him some playing time in the reserves or whatever they are called theee days so he can be even fitter?


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Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 19, 2020, 04:01:22 AM
Seen people saying give him time in the rezzies, beyond daft.

He needs time in the prem. We've nothing to play for here so why not develop these more. Build the side around the young players and prepare for next year.

11th with Moise Kean and Anthony Gordon acclimatised to the league and prepared to take off next season would be IMMEASURABLY better for this club than 10th,9th,8th.

No reason why he can't devide his time between both until he proves where he belongs.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: brap2 on January 19, 2020, 04:20:29 AM
The whole point in the reserves was to allow players get back to full fitness and recover from injury. Not sure why that was all changed.

Kean will start from the bench most games so why not give him some playing time in the reserves or whatever they are called theee days so he can be even fitter?


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He's fit, he needs match fitness. You can't get that from u23 football.

He'd be playing against 18 and 19 year olds, most of which have no future in the Premier league.

He needs minutes in the league to get used to the pace of the league and ancelotti's patterns, not to mention the chemistry of his team mates, his runs are off. His and DCL leaving passes for each other and making the same run. This stuff can only be achieved with time playing proper football.

If he was coming back from injury sure, let him stretch his legs on a pitch for an hour but it's not the case.
Title: Re: Kean
Post by: Waltzer on January 19, 2020, 04:24:20 AM
No reason why he can't devide his time between both until he proves where he belongs.