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Title: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2019, 03:40:43 AM
Capable of heavenly blessed divine beauty (belter goals). Excellent end product.

But does his lack of involvement in the build up play limit us as a team?

Is that his style or is it Silva's decision to keep him pressed high?

Let's get it all in here.

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Title: Re: Sigurdson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2019, 03:42:57 AM
Mods... please add an s to his name. Apologies.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: markB on August 13, 2019, 04:06:03 AM
you have to ask yourself if he is so good as a 10 0r an 8 why did Swansea move him out to the left in his last year with them
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: mikey_blue on August 13, 2019, 04:17:24 AM
I think it's a bit of both. Sigurdsson's game is what it is, and he's at his statistical best, when he's right behind the striker. Having him played further back, would completely change his positioning on the pitch, him arriving late into the box, and picking up the ball in dangerous areas would change. He wouldn't score as many goals, or get as many assists. Like it or not, that's what wins games. Which he does for us on a regular basis, so credit where it's due.

Unfortunately for us, he has to play there to make up for Dom's deficiencies in front of goal, and that is a Silva decision.

Im intrigued by the idea of a 433, but can't see the who the midfield 3 would be. We struggle starting passing moves and playing through the middle so I don't think dropping Sig would help in that regard, as he's probably our best passer (in the final third). It's puzzling.

We will need to change something to get better though.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2019, 04:32:49 AM
you have to ask yourself if he is so good as a 10 0r an 8 why did Swansea move him out to the left in his last year with them
Their decisions got them relegated.

But yeah moving him to the left of a 433 is an option. Get the extra man in midfield and keep his goals and assists in the team. Could be as simple as switching him and Bernard, if Bernard is up to it.

Or, up steps Iwobi.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: boothill on August 13, 2019, 05:50:44 AM
At home i would like to see him just behind a front 2 of kean and dcl with gbammin gomes and iwobi the middle 3. Probably get steam rollered,  but it gives us good attacking possibillities sort of 4312

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on August 13, 2019, 06:03:23 AM
At home i would like to see him just behind a front 2 of kean and dcl with gbammin gomes and iwobi the middle 3. Probably get steam rollered,  but it gives us good attacking possibillities sort of 4312

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So, no Richarlison or Bernard, then?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: boothill on August 13, 2019, 06:57:55 AM
Jesus,  forgot about richarlison, wtf .  Him ln for dcl,  bernard on bench with dcl.
So, no Richarlison or Bernard, then?

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: boothill on August 13, 2019, 07:02:17 AM
Very good finisher,  could he even play off kean

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 13, 2019, 07:17:55 AM
It's not all or nothing.  Plenty of minutes for everybody.  But the basic shape of the team and every possible configuration should not be based on having him on the pitch almost every minute.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: boothill on August 13, 2019, 07:32:06 AM
God no,  just trying to put some positiveness in as its a post about him
It's not all or nothing.  Plenty of minutes for everybody.  But the basic shape of the team and every possible configuration should not be based on having him on the pitch almost every minute.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 13, 2019, 01:37:07 PM
Heís a match winner. We havenít got enough of them.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Heisenberg on August 13, 2019, 01:43:42 PM
If he doesnít score he may aswell not be on the pitch. We have options now with Iwobi so sigi will often be subbed before them goals come. Iwobi is probably a nail in the gyilfi coffin
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 13, 2019, 02:53:26 PM
I think all arguments about Siggy are valid to a degree. He does need to be involved more but heís created numerous quality chances that DCL and Walcott have spooned wide of the target. Highly creative, goal scoring attacking midfielders/ number 10s, are few and far between. They tend to be one or the other.

Itís been probably been mentioned in the formation thread, but I think Marco would like to play a 433, like Klopp. Attacking fullbacks, 3 solid box-to-box midfielders and 2 inverted goal-scoring wingers playing off a striker. He plays Sig because heís here and heíd be hard to shift, and he might as well use him as best he can.

Rather than try to reinvent the wheel and ditch Sig completely, I think he should just be played 10 yards deeper. Digne aside, heís the most intelligent player we have, he just doesnít have the pace to operate that high up the pitch. I think Iwobi and Bernard would lose the ball even more than Sig does, if they played as close to the opposition CBs and heís told to.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: dazfrancis on August 13, 2019, 03:32:53 PM
There's a strong argument to playing Sig where he is, right up front alongside DCL because he gets goals and to a lesser degree assists. This works well when teams come out and attack us

But he should realise when teams play deep he needs to go an find space in between their lines to pick up the ball and turn. He has all the ability to do it.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2019, 03:37:19 PM
But he doesn't, and he never has in his entire career and he's now 29.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cozzie on August 13, 2019, 04:24:30 PM
I don't to just banish sig all together. But I do feel we need to begin the phasing out of the man.

If its true about Reinier coming in Jan I think I would like to see Sig start less and less.

I do feel he stifles us a bit in terms of creative play but the lad does get goals, can't argue there.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2019, 04:38:28 PM
Hopefully if Kean turns out to be a goal threat we can afford for Sigurdsson to get involved in the play a bit more.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on August 13, 2019, 04:54:41 PM
I always thought Sig was at his most dangerous when he picked up the ball about 10 yards further back where he has more space. That goal against Leicester a prime example but also some great through balls into the area for Walcott to run onto.
I don't see the point of sticking him so close to the center backs when he can't out-muscle them and he's not going to win any headers.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2019, 04:59:43 PM
He comes alive when Walcott is in the side a little bit I think. Needs runs to play balls into.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on August 13, 2019, 06:22:37 PM
I think all arguments about Siggy are valid to a degree. He does need to be involved more but heís created numerous quality chances that DCL and Walcott have spooned wide of the target. Highly creative, goal scoring attacking midfielders/ number 10s, are few and far between. They tend to be one or the other.

Itís been probably been mentioned in the formation thread, but I think Marco would like to play a 433, like Klopp. Attacking fullbacks, 3 solid box-to-box midfielders and 2 inverted goal-scoring wingers playing off a striker. He plays Sig because heís here and heíd be hard to shift, and he might as well use him as best he can.

Rather than try to reinvent the wheel and ditch Sig completely, I think he should just be played 10 yards deeper. Digne aside, heís the most intelligent player we have, he just doesnít have the pace to operate that high up the pitch. I think Iwobi and Bernard would lose the ball even more than Sig does, if they played as close to the opposition CBs and heís told to.


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Agree with most of this apart from I think the 10 yard deeper thing isnít really an option/ solution.

If he really wanted a significant increase in his involvement heíd be looking for it naturally.

As @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) says, at 29 heís not going to start now. And letís face it, it has been a successful model for him.

If he did drop deeper Iím sure an opposition defender would follow and itís then when it shows how much you really want the ball.

 He is what he is, we have to find ways/ players to provide what he doesnít in the type of fixtures where he struggles to impact the general play. 
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 13, 2019, 06:30:40 PM
Saw an average position thingy for saturdays game and sigurdsson was our furthest man forward, comfortably as well
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kramer0 on August 13, 2019, 09:14:15 PM
Saw an average position thingy for saturdays game and sigurdsson was our furthest man forward, comfortably as well

Says everything. Calvert-Lewin is putting in more work to get the ball into the final third than our #10.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on August 13, 2019, 09:31:31 PM
Kind of backs up my suspicions with DCL. He spends a lot of time doing too much grunt work because the players around him aren't much of a threat.

Bernard is never going to trouble defenders going the other way, Richarlison for all his talent has many quiet spells and Sig is anonymous for long periods while he drifts within a 30 yard radius.

Really looking forward to seeing Iwobi and Kean, in whatever position they come in at, to see if it changes the team dynamic. 
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 13, 2019, 09:48:46 PM
Says everything. Calvert-Lewin is putting in more work to get the ball into the final third than our #10.
...or DCL is treading on the toes of our #10 when he should be on the shoulders on the CBs, looking to stretch them and make runs for our #10.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kramer0 on August 13, 2019, 09:52:26 PM
...or DCL is treading on the toes of our #10 when he should be on the shoulders on the CBs, looking to stretch them and make runs for our #10.


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The one who doesn't have the ball ever?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: stirlingblue on August 13, 2019, 09:54:06 PM
...or DCL is treading on the toes of our #10 when he should be on the shoulders on the CBs, looking to stretch them and make runs for our #10.


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Nah, Sig sits right up against the centre backs so beyond that is offside
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Omar on August 13, 2019, 09:56:02 PM
Sig was one fourth of our goals last season, perspective people.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blueski on August 13, 2019, 09:58:34 PM
I think right now its impossible to do anything about Sigurdsson and the way he plays until we start getting consistent goal production from someone else. Maybe that's Kean maybe DCL maybe someone else but I think for the time being until that happens Sig is going to play virtually every possible minute.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on August 13, 2019, 10:02:57 PM
...or DCL is treading on the toes of our #10 when he should be on the shoulders on the CBs, looking to stretch them and make runs for our #10.


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Maybe we'll see if Kean plays in place of DCL then.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 14, 2019, 12:04:47 AM
I think right now its impossible to do anything about Sigurdsson and the way he plays until we start getting consistent goal production from someone else. Maybe that's Kean maybe DCL maybe someone else but I think for the time being until that happens Sig is going to play virtually every possible minute.

But what if we canít get consistent goals elsewhere because we have a playmaker who doesnít get on the ball never mind play make

He scored 13 goals last season? Took about 6 pens didnít he? Is that really hard to replace. We might as well play a second striker as thatís where sigurdsson is playing
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Nicco on August 14, 2019, 12:25:14 AM
But what if we can't get consistent goals elsewhere because we have a playmaker who doesn't get on the ball never mind play make

He scored 13 goals last season? Took about 6 pens didn't he? Is that really hard to replace. We might as well play a second striker as that's where sigurdsson is playing
Took 5 penalties and missed 3! Scored on a rebound from one of them if I remember correctly.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on August 14, 2019, 12:31:49 AM
But what if we canít get consistent goals elsewhere because we have a playmaker who doesnít get on the ball never mind play make

He scored 13 goals last season? Took about 6 pens didnít he? Is that really hard to replace. We might as well play a second striker as thatís where sigurdsson is playing

38 games
13 goals (2 penalties)
6 assists

1.42 points per game with him in the side

I'm a huge fan of Gylfi, can he do a bit more of course but so could everyone. I think we shouldn't drop him though.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on August 14, 2019, 02:27:02 AM
Maybe we'll see if Kean plays in place of DCL then.

I think if Sigurdsson continues with his average positioning when Kean plays, it will properly nullify the young lad, and take away much of the space he would have ordinarily.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Polledreng on August 14, 2019, 02:45:34 AM
Their decisions got them relegated.

But yeah moving him to the left of a 433 is an option. Get the extra man in midfield and keep his goals and assists in the team. Could be as simple as switching him and Bernard, if Bernard is up to it.

Or, up steps Iwobi.

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not sure  I got this... The were relegated the year after selling Sig..
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 14, 2019, 03:09:31 AM
not sure  I got this... The were relegated the year after selling Sig..
Lets not worry about the details.

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