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Title: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2019, 03:40:43 AM
Capable of heavenly blessed divine beauty (belter goals). Excellent end product.

But does his lack of involvement in the build up play limit us as a team?

Is that his style or is it Silva's decision to keep him pressed high?

Let's get it all in here.

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Title: Re: Sigurdson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2019, 03:42:57 AM
Mods... please add an s to his name. Apologies.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: markB on August 13, 2019, 04:06:03 AM
you have to ask yourself if he is so good as a 10 0r an 8 why did Swansea move him out to the left in his last year with them
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: mikey_blue on August 13, 2019, 04:17:24 AM
I think it's a bit of both. Sigurdsson's game is what it is, and he's at his statistical best, when he's right behind the striker. Having him played further back, would completely change his positioning on the pitch, him arriving late into the box, and picking up the ball in dangerous areas would change. He wouldn't score as many goals, or get as many assists. Like it or not, that's what wins games. Which he does for us on a regular basis, so credit where it's due.

Unfortunately for us, he has to play there to make up for Dom's deficiencies in front of goal, and that is a Silva decision.

Im intrigued by the idea of a 433, but can't see the who the midfield 3 would be. We struggle starting passing moves and playing through the middle so I don't think dropping Sig would help in that regard, as he's probably our best passer (in the final third). It's puzzling.

We will need to change something to get better though.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2019, 04:32:49 AM
you have to ask yourself if he is so good as a 10 0r an 8 why did Swansea move him out to the left in his last year with them
Their decisions got them relegated.

But yeah moving him to the left of a 433 is an option. Get the extra man in midfield and keep his goals and assists in the team. Could be as simple as switching him and Bernard, if Bernard is up to it.

Or, up steps Iwobi.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: boothill on August 13, 2019, 05:50:44 AM
At home i would like to see him just behind a front 2 of kean and dcl with gbammin gomes and iwobi the middle 3. Probably get steam rollered,  but it gives us good attacking possibillities sort of 4312

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on August 13, 2019, 06:03:23 AM
At home i would like to see him just behind a front 2 of kean and dcl with gbammin gomes and iwobi the middle 3. Probably get steam rollered,  but it gives us good attacking possibillities sort of 4312

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So, no Richarlison or Bernard, then?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: boothill on August 13, 2019, 06:57:55 AM
Jesus,  forgot about richarlison, wtf .  Him ln for dcl,  bernard on bench with dcl.
So, no Richarlison or Bernard, then?

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: boothill on August 13, 2019, 07:02:17 AM
Very good finisher,  could he even play off kean

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 13, 2019, 07:17:55 AM
It's not all or nothing.  Plenty of minutes for everybody.  But the basic shape of the team and every possible configuration should not be based on having him on the pitch almost every minute.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: boothill on August 13, 2019, 07:32:06 AM
God no,  just trying to put some positiveness in as its a post about him
It's not all or nothing.  Plenty of minutes for everybody.  But the basic shape of the team and every possible configuration should not be based on having him on the pitch almost every minute.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 13, 2019, 01:37:07 PM
Heís a match winner. We havenít got enough of them.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Heisenberg on August 13, 2019, 01:43:42 PM
If he doesnít score he may aswell not be on the pitch. We have options now with Iwobi so sigi will often be subbed before them goals come. Iwobi is probably a nail in the gyilfi coffin
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 13, 2019, 02:53:26 PM
I think all arguments about Siggy are valid to a degree. He does need to be involved more but heís created numerous quality chances that DCL and Walcott have spooned wide of the target. Highly creative, goal scoring attacking midfielders/ number 10s, are few and far between. They tend to be one or the other.

Itís been probably been mentioned in the formation thread, but I think Marco would like to play a 433, like Klopp. Attacking fullbacks, 3 solid box-to-box midfielders and 2 inverted goal-scoring wingers playing off a striker. He plays Sig because heís here and heíd be hard to shift, and he might as well use him as best he can.

Rather than try to reinvent the wheel and ditch Sig completely, I think he should just be played 10 yards deeper. Digne aside, heís the most intelligent player we have, he just doesnít have the pace to operate that high up the pitch. I think Iwobi and Bernard would lose the ball even more than Sig does, if they played as close to the opposition CBs and heís told to.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: dazfrancis on August 13, 2019, 03:32:53 PM
There's a strong argument to playing Sig where he is, right up front alongside DCL because he gets goals and to a lesser degree assists. This works well when teams come out and attack us

But he should realise when teams play deep he needs to go an find space in between their lines to pick up the ball and turn. He has all the ability to do it.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2019, 03:37:19 PM
But he doesn't, and he never has in his entire career and he's now 29.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cozzie on August 13, 2019, 04:24:30 PM
I don't to just banish sig all together. But I do feel we need to begin the phasing out of the man.

If its true about Reinier coming in Jan I think I would like to see Sig start less and less.

I do feel he stifles us a bit in terms of creative play but the lad does get goals, can't argue there.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2019, 04:38:28 PM
Hopefully if Kean turns out to be a goal threat we can afford for Sigurdsson to get involved in the play a bit more.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on August 13, 2019, 04:54:41 PM
I always thought Sig was at his most dangerous when he picked up the ball about 10 yards further back where he has more space. That goal against Leicester a prime example but also some great through balls into the area for Walcott to run onto.
I don't see the point of sticking him so close to the center backs when he can't out-muscle them and he's not going to win any headers.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2019, 04:59:43 PM
He comes alive when Walcott is in the side a little bit I think. Needs runs to play balls into.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on August 13, 2019, 06:22:37 PM
I think all arguments about Siggy are valid to a degree. He does need to be involved more but heís created numerous quality chances that DCL and Walcott have spooned wide of the target. Highly creative, goal scoring attacking midfielders/ number 10s, are few and far between. They tend to be one or the other.

Itís been probably been mentioned in the formation thread, but I think Marco would like to play a 433, like Klopp. Attacking fullbacks, 3 solid box-to-box midfielders and 2 inverted goal-scoring wingers playing off a striker. He plays Sig because heís here and heíd be hard to shift, and he might as well use him as best he can.

Rather than try to reinvent the wheel and ditch Sig completely, I think he should just be played 10 yards deeper. Digne aside, heís the most intelligent player we have, he just doesnít have the pace to operate that high up the pitch. I think Iwobi and Bernard would lose the ball even more than Sig does, if they played as close to the opposition CBs and heís told to.


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Agree with most of this apart from I think the 10 yard deeper thing isnít really an option/ solution.

If he really wanted a significant increase in his involvement heíd be looking for it naturally.

As @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) says, at 29 heís not going to start now. And letís face it, it has been a successful model for him.

If he did drop deeper Iím sure an opposition defender would follow and itís then when it shows how much you really want the ball.

 He is what he is, we have to find ways/ players to provide what he doesnít in the type of fixtures where he struggles to impact the general play. 
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 13, 2019, 06:30:40 PM
Saw an average position thingy for saturdays game and sigurdsson was our furthest man forward, comfortably as well
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kramer0 on August 13, 2019, 09:14:15 PM
Saw an average position thingy for saturdays game and sigurdsson was our furthest man forward, comfortably as well

Says everything. Calvert-Lewin is putting in more work to get the ball into the final third than our #10.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on August 13, 2019, 09:31:31 PM
Kind of backs up my suspicions with DCL. He spends a lot of time doing too much grunt work because the players around him aren't much of a threat.

Bernard is never going to trouble defenders going the other way, Richarlison for all his talent has many quiet spells and Sig is anonymous for long periods while he drifts within a 30 yard radius.

Really looking forward to seeing Iwobi and Kean, in whatever position they come in at, to see if it changes the team dynamic. 
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 13, 2019, 09:48:46 PM
Says everything. Calvert-Lewin is putting in more work to get the ball into the final third than our #10.
...or DCL is treading on the toes of our #10 when he should be on the shoulders on the CBs, looking to stretch them and make runs for our #10.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kramer0 on August 13, 2019, 09:52:26 PM
...or DCL is treading on the toes of our #10 when he should be on the shoulders on the CBs, looking to stretch them and make runs for our #10.


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The one who doesn't have the ball ever?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: stirlingblue on August 13, 2019, 09:54:06 PM
...or DCL is treading on the toes of our #10 when he should be on the shoulders on the CBs, looking to stretch them and make runs for our #10.


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Nah, Sig sits right up against the centre backs so beyond that is offside
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Omar on August 13, 2019, 09:56:02 PM
Sig was one fourth of our goals last season, perspective people.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blueski on August 13, 2019, 09:58:34 PM
I think right now its impossible to do anything about Sigurdsson and the way he plays until we start getting consistent goal production from someone else. Maybe that's Kean maybe DCL maybe someone else but I think for the time being until that happens Sig is going to play virtually every possible minute.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on August 13, 2019, 10:02:57 PM
...or DCL is treading on the toes of our #10 when he should be on the shoulders on the CBs, looking to stretch them and make runs for our #10.


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Maybe we'll see if Kean plays in place of DCL then.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 14, 2019, 12:04:47 AM
I think right now its impossible to do anything about Sigurdsson and the way he plays until we start getting consistent goal production from someone else. Maybe that's Kean maybe DCL maybe someone else but I think for the time being until that happens Sig is going to play virtually every possible minute.

But what if we canít get consistent goals elsewhere because we have a playmaker who doesnít get on the ball never mind play make

He scored 13 goals last season? Took about 6 pens didnít he? Is that really hard to replace. We might as well play a second striker as thatís where sigurdsson is playing
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Nicco on August 14, 2019, 12:25:14 AM
But what if we can't get consistent goals elsewhere because we have a playmaker who doesn't get on the ball never mind play make

He scored 13 goals last season? Took about 6 pens didn't he? Is that really hard to replace. We might as well play a second striker as that's where sigurdsson is playing
Took 5 penalties and missed 3! Scored on a rebound from one of them if I remember correctly.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on August 14, 2019, 12:31:49 AM
But what if we canít get consistent goals elsewhere because we have a playmaker who doesnít get on the ball never mind play make

He scored 13 goals last season? Took about 6 pens didnít he? Is that really hard to replace. We might as well play a second striker as thatís where sigurdsson is playing

38 games
13 goals (2 penalties)
6 assists

1.42 points per game with him in the side

I'm a huge fan of Gylfi, can he do a bit more of course but so could everyone. I think we shouldn't drop him though.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on August 14, 2019, 02:27:02 AM
Maybe we'll see if Kean plays in place of DCL then.

I think if Sigurdsson continues with his average positioning when Kean plays, it will properly nullify the young lad, and take away much of the space he would have ordinarily.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Polledreng on August 14, 2019, 02:45:34 AM
Their decisions got them relegated.

But yeah moving him to the left of a 433 is an option. Get the extra man in midfield and keep his goals and assists in the team. Could be as simple as switching him and Bernard, if Bernard is up to it.

Or, up steps Iwobi.

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not sure  I got this... The were relegated the year after selling Sig..
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 14, 2019, 03:09:31 AM
not sure  I got this... The were relegated the year after selling Sig..
Lets not worry about the details.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cods on September 01, 2019, 08:58:14 PM
Excellent cross for Iwobi, creative passing, and doing pretty well in general.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on September 01, 2019, 09:44:21 PM
Wrong thread
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on September 01, 2019, 10:00:50 PM
Amazing how much better Siggy looked today with Delph actually showing for the ball and linking the defence and the front 4. Not surprising mind and hopefully some people will lay off him for a bit and wait to see how he performs with out starting 11 once we're settled.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 01, 2019, 10:01:15 PM
Thought he was good today, best performance in a long time.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 01, 2019, 10:03:06 PM
Very good today. More of that please !
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on September 01, 2019, 10:04:27 PM
Took up some good positions on the right. Obviously worked upon beforehand to counter Wolves' formation but even so, more energy and productivity.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Silas on September 01, 2019, 10:15:44 PM
He was great today throughout benefitted from Delph in the centre I think
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Omar on September 01, 2019, 10:18:44 PM
Massive game for Gylfi.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 01, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
It looks to me as if Silva has used him better in the last two games.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on September 01, 2019, 10:41:09 PM
I think the movement and fluidity of some of the other players is helping to free up space for him, that he should be working himself.

He did play well today, but I'd want to see him do it for 10 games before I believe it's a proper change/adjustment.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Heisenberg on September 01, 2019, 10:44:08 PM
I think he was really good on the ball today. Itís his work off it that isnít great. Even today so many times when it was out wide he offered  no support to the wingers, just doesnít seem interested when they have it
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on September 01, 2019, 11:03:21 PM
For me the big thing is Iwobi is trusted to control the ball.

That enables more players to move in anticipation that they wonít be running backwards straight away.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on September 01, 2019, 11:07:31 PM
The game suited him today.

We obviously gave him a game plan and he worked himself into the space that we knew was going to be there.

Also saw more energy so maybe with some genuine competition for places he might move it up a notch.

Wouldn't be averse to seeing the front four move around more anyway and him find himself on the right occasonally for his deliveries. Beats Coleman's final third lottery.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on September 01, 2019, 11:12:25 PM
The game suited him today.

We obviously gave him a game plan and he worked himself into the space that we knew was going to be there.

Also saw more energy so maybe with some genuine competition for places he might move it up a notch.

Wouldn't be averse to seeing the front four move around more anyway and him find himself on the right occasonally for his deliveries. Beats Coleman's final third lottery.


Followed on from midweek where @stirlingblue (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=907) said, his lateral movement was much improved.

Heís not going to get on the ball on the half way line and start spraying the ball.

But if he can drift wide, his crossing is excellent.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on September 01, 2019, 11:21:48 PM
Followed on from midweek where @stirlingblue (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=907) said, his lateral movement was much improved.

He’s not going to get on the ball on the half way line and start spraying the ball.

But if he can drift wide, his crossing is excellent.

It's a decent weapon he has, I don't know why we don't make better use of it. He had a great reputation for it at Swansea.

I know there is an argument that with only DCL in there he hasn't had a lot to aim for but a quality delivery will always cause problems.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on September 01, 2019, 11:31:32 PM
It's a decent weapon he has, I don't know why we don't make better use of it. He had a great reputation for it at Swansea.

I know there is an argument that with only DCL in there he hasn't had a lot to aim for but a quality delivery will always cause problems.
Think itís difficult to move out wide if when we then lose the ball it exposes the middle. 

He does a lot of work (shutting down lanes etc) that wonít show up obviously on a stat.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: gizzblue on September 01, 2019, 11:32:15 PM
Was good today more a kin to the player we bought...think we finally have the squad to get the best out of our players. 
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 01, 2019, 11:50:50 PM
He's extraordinary off the ball, long distance running machine.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on September 01, 2019, 11:59:53 PM
He's extraordinary off the ball, long distance running machine.

That one he chased down from their corner springs to mind
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: bornblue88 on September 02, 2019, 01:54:25 AM
He was excellent today but he usually has his best performances against sides that play a more open passing game. I expect heíll be good again against Bournemouth but will go missing against Sheffield united.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on September 02, 2019, 02:00:43 AM
So much crap written in here.  Why can't you lads just accept that he's a good footballer and he had a great game?  Is there nothing better to do than to cram in excuses and reasons why this represented a blip because he was excellent?  Get behind the team.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on September 02, 2019, 02:01:51 AM
I'd want to see him do it for 10 games before I believe

Utterly laughable comment
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Polledreng on September 02, 2019, 02:06:21 AM
Think itís difficult to move out wide if when we then lose the ball it exposes the middle. 

He does a lot of work (shutting down lanes etc) that wonít show up obviously on a stat.
   spot on.  I'm surprised to see the amount of posters claiming he is lazy. 
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Polledreng on September 02, 2019, 02:09:49 AM
So much crap written in here.  Why can't you lads just accept that he's a good footballer and he had a great game?  Is there nothing better to do than to cram in excuses and reasons why this represented a blip because he was excellent?  Get behind the team.
We have been on TV 2 games in a row. over here.  4 different pundits and all agreeing that Siggy is a great player and important part of our team... But then again they probably know nothing about football and the Everton way... one of the 4 was Lars Jacobsen by the way
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on September 02, 2019, 02:10:02 AM
Utterly laughable comment

How come?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on September 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM
He was boss today.

Maybe he wasnít the issue in the midfield after all and it was the two behind him.

Think Delph and iwobi naturally take up positions on the pitch that make the midfield more compact which helps Sigurdsson. That cross for the iwobi goal is as good as youíll ever see.

But, yeah, not changing my opinion on one game like.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on September 02, 2019, 02:44:21 AM
How come?

Why's he got to do this 10 times?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Silas on September 02, 2019, 02:47:21 AM
No one has ever said he's a poor player the issue has always been getting the best out of him and today silva managed that, long may it continue because he's a boss player
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Macca77 on September 02, 2019, 02:48:20 AM
Was brilliant today, had his best game for a while
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on September 02, 2019, 02:53:35 AM
I think the movement and physicality of Iwobi and Kean has really helped him, as has the positional sense and passing range of Delph.

I really hope he stays on this form now, because he is technically superb when he actually gets on the ball, and his engine is insane.

Although, as has been mentioned, weíll see how he does against the next team that get 10 men behind the ball like Villa (I know he was good against Lincoln, but you know, it was Lincoln)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: boothill on September 02, 2019, 02:56:37 AM
We have been on TV 2 games in a row. over here.  4 different pundits and all agreeing that Siggy is a great player and important part of our team... But then again they probably know nothing about football and the Everton way... one of the 4 was Lars Jacobsen by the way

why is luke skywalkers uncle commentating on an everton game
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on September 02, 2019, 03:03:02 AM
I think the movement and physicality of Iwobi and Kean has really helped him, as has the positional sense and passing range of Delph.

I really hope he stays on this form now, because he is technically superb when he actually gets on the ball, and his engine is insane.

Although, as has been mentioned, weíll see how he does against the next team that get 10 men behind the ball like Villa (I know he was good against Lincoln, but you know, it was Lincoln)

Seems like a contradiction here. On the one hand you've suggested that Kean and Iwobi are helping out and that's why he's played better, but then you're hoping that he maintains this form. Is this unfair?  Could you accept then that he could have always been in good form but didn't have help before?  It is the more obvious reason that the season has only just started? i.e. he suffered from the same things that meant all our other forwards happened to be rubbish too until the last two games?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: BlueNoseMike on September 02, 2019, 03:10:00 AM
what often gets forgotten about with sig is what he does when we don't have the ball. He is good at pressing the opposition and quite a few times today and last season that lead to team mates intercepting the ball in the opposition half (prime example of this was 2nd of richarlison's goals against Brighton last season)

We can't be dropping him*, For this and his goals. And if he continues like today we will be sound


*But he does need competition, and maybe rotating out if out of form/needs resting. Good to see us have options
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: dazfrancis on September 02, 2019, 03:23:02 AM
I have been one of those calling for sigurdsson to be dropped but the last 2 games are night and day compared to the first 3.

His stats from today undeniably show he is heavily involved and there is no reason we should drop him in this form

Gylfi Sigurdssonís stats against Wolves:

Touches - 52
Assists - 1
Successful passes - 21
Successful attacking third passes - 10
Chances created - 5
Pass accuracy - 72%
Recoveries - 3
Successful tackles - 1
Clearances - 1
Fouls suffered - 1

Why he is suddenly more involved in the build up play I'm not sure, could be thanks to Kean, Delph and Iwobi but I hope it continues
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 02, 2019, 03:42:35 AM
I have been one of those calling for sigurdsson to be dropped but the last 2 games are night and day compared to the first 3.

His stats from today undeniably show he is heavily involved and there is no reason we should drop him in this form

Gylfi Sigurdsson's stats against Wolves:

Touches - 52
Assists - 1
Successful passes - 21
Successful attacking third passes - 10
Chances created - 5
Pass accuracy - 72%
Recoveries - 3
Successful tackles - 1
Clearances - 1
Fouls suffered - 1

Why he is suddenly more involved in the build up play I'm not sure, could be thanks to Kean, Delph and Iwobi but I hope it continues
Maybe this tactical change is part of the "something different" that Silva was talking about prior to the Lincoln game.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on September 02, 2019, 03:45:26 AM
Seems like a contradiction here. On the one hand you've suggested that Kean and Iwobi are helping out and that's why he's played better, but then you're hoping that he maintains this form. Is this unfair?  Could you accept then that he could have always been in good form but didn't have help before?  It is the more obvious reason that the season has only just started? i.e. he suffered from the same things that meant all our other forwards happened to be rubbish too until the last two games?

Nah.

He touched it 13 times against Villa and we had about 70% of the ball. Thatís nuts.

Today he touched it over 50 times.

So heís probably more willing to get on the ball because he has better movement all around him. But I still wish he had taken the game by the scruff of the neck against poor sides like Villa and Palace.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on September 02, 2019, 03:45:38 AM
Competition for places. Itíll spur good players on to better levels.

It should hopefully give everyone a nudge to be at it every week from now on.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on September 02, 2019, 03:55:23 AM
Why's he got to do this 10 times?

Ok, the number was arbitrary but I do think he needs to play the same way for a sustained period of time. We want him getting on the ball much more than he has been. He had 13 touches in a game the other week. That canít be acceptable, under any circumstances.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: stirlingblue on September 02, 2019, 04:03:12 AM
When Sig goes missing it puts a huge pressure on the two in the pivot and they end up with 3 - 5 times as many passes as him each.

Looking at today and Lincoln they had about 1.5 times his amount of passes which is great.

Heís a very dangerous player, weíre always going to threaten more when he has the ball vs our pivots
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cods on September 02, 2019, 04:43:18 AM
Better performing players now playing their roles in the team. Yesterday was more about Richarlison, Iwobi and Delph doing what their positions required.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Confucius on September 02, 2019, 05:56:20 AM
I think itís all about movement and space. The better the movement from the front 3, the more space and targets for Sigurdsson. I also think in the previous games, the opposing teams looked to stifle him by limiting his space and felt that if you stop Sig, you stop everton. They were right.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cods on September 02, 2019, 07:51:52 AM
I think itís all about movement and space. The better the movement from the front 3, the more space and targets for Sigurdsson. I also think in the previous games, the opposing teams looked to stifle him by limiting his space and felt that if you stop Sig, you stop everton. They were right.
Exactly this.  Previously this season we had one danger man, but yet yesterday we had a number they needed to focus on.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Gary1878 on September 02, 2019, 05:28:59 PM
Siggy was excellent yesterday. His crossing was superb, just a constant threat. Workrate was exceptional as always.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Paddockoldie on September 03, 2019, 01:40:56 PM
Having players with movement at last helped. Too many times last season our forwards didn't make runs when they should have and the attack was blunted, so we passed sideways or back. Now we have a more fluid front three who look to get forward and that helps him look for the pass.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: mikey_blue on September 03, 2019, 02:31:14 PM
That back 5 played right into Sigs hands. Wing backs being forward allowed him to drift into pockets of space. I donít think heíd be as effective if it was a back 4, but I hope he can carry this form forward.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on September 03, 2019, 02:43:19 PM
A very KDB performance at the weekend.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
I asked Paul Riley to look at the tweak in his blog this week.

On the ball there's essentially no difference in any game in terms of his touches and passes made on the pitch.

Off the ball maybe, but said he'd need to watch a vid and manually count for each game. If he has moved over off the ball then it should be borne out in the on the ball stats, he should receive the ball more wide.

Bit deflated but I don't think that's the end of it for me. Partly I think the combo of big moments (2 Iwobi crosses, the mean cross) plus some nest deadball deliveries have given me the stronger impression that he has shifted his position, although it really really felt like that at the weekend, but have to just wait and see if it is a thing or if its just big moments playing with my cognitive bias.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on September 03, 2019, 03:26:35 PM
I'd be encouraged if we see the same next game up.

The Wolves game was a no brainer to overload the flanks due to their system and it worked a treat.

Against a more conventional formation will tell us if it is a definite tactical tweak and not just a temporary adjustment.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2019, 03:40:50 PM
I'd be encouraged if we see the same next game up.

The Wolves game was a no brainer to overload the flanks due to their system and it worked a treat.

Against a more conventional formation will tell us if it is a definite tactical tweak and not just a temporary adjustment.

Agree, which to be fair I think @Bluedylan (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) is saying an all.

I seem to remember a period last year that had everyone on here and twitter convinced we'd dropped him deeper. Wonder if it's just a form / grace of god thing.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on September 03, 2019, 04:03:11 PM
He doesn't strike me as a terribly intelligent player.

The amount of times he stands behind a defender watching play as opposed to moving into space/pulling defenders out of position/spotting gaps between the lines indicates that any deviations from the norm are probably on instruction as opposed to him spotting tactical opportunities and making things happen.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on September 03, 2019, 04:46:04 PM
A very KDB performance at the weekend.



Steady on
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: stirlingblue on September 03, 2019, 05:07:19 PM
Had his best game of the season so far, but looked less likely to score than in any other game for us.

Iím a big fan of him drifting wider/deeper as I think it weíll benefit the team, but it will also likely mean a drop in Sigís individual numbers
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on September 03, 2019, 05:18:15 PM
Had his best game of the season so far, but looked less likely to score than in any other game for us.

Iím a big fan of him drifting wider/deeper as I think it weíll benefit the team, but it will also likely mean a drop in Sigís individual numbers

.. For which he will also be criticised.

A KDB/Beckham type position suits him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: dazfrancis on September 03, 2019, 05:25:14 PM
.. For which he will also be criticised.


I don't think this is true.

Plenty of people will be happier is his stats drop slightly but the number of chances created and goals scored by the team increase. It's literally what people were calling for after the first 3 games

There will always be some cranks though
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2019, 05:34:07 PM
I believe he created one chance from open play at the weekend?

There was that cross to Kean but it sorta hit his belly / the defender so not sure that counts.

Any I'm missing?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: dazfrancis on September 03, 2019, 05:34:41 PM
I also think if this is a tactical tweak both DCL and Tosun could benefit from Sigurdsson getting more crosses into the box given they are both decent enough in the air
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on September 03, 2019, 05:45:55 PM
Another thing is competition for places. Gylfi's been a shoe-in to play every game, since we signed him under all the managers we've had. Not so much anymore. Maybe he's realising he needs to do more.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: dazfrancis on September 03, 2019, 05:56:08 PM
I believe he created one chance from open play at the weekend?

There was that cross to Kean but it sorta hit his belly / the defender so not sure that counts.

Any I'm missing?

He was a lot more involved in our build up play compared to the previous PL games, also these stats say he created 5 chances so not sure sure whether they led to a shot on target or not


vs Wolves

Touches - 52
Assists - 1
Successful passes - 21
Successful attacking third passes - 10
Chances created - 5
Pass accuracy - 72%
Recoveries - 3
Successful tackles - 1
Clearances - 1
Fouls suffered - 1

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2019, 06:07:19 PM
He was a lot more involved in our build up play compared to the previous PL games, also these stats say he created 5 chances so not sure sure whether they led to a shot on target or not


vs Wolves

Touches - 52
Assists - 1
Successful passes - 21
Successful attacking third passes - 10
Chances created - 5
Pass accuracy - 72%
Recoveries - 3
Successful tackles - 1
Clearances - 1
Fouls suffered - 1

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECvo-NiXkAAzz4Q?format=jpg&name=small)



Not sure those stats show anything he hasn't done already I guess, same number v villa but different pattern to the game I suppose as this was more of a break on break shoot out.

Hard to examine those sort of stats I think, I don't even bother following that Efc stat person as none of the stats ever have context, just raw numbers pulled from God knows where.

5 chances but he took 2 or 3 corners and 2 or 3 free kicks so I reckon yeah one.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on September 03, 2019, 06:25:07 PM
Not sure those stats show anything he hasn't done already I guess, same number v villa but different pattern to the game I suppose as this was more of a break on break shoot out.

Hard to examine those sort of stats I think, I don't even bother following that Efc stat person as none of the stats ever have context, just raw numbers pulled from God knows where.

5 chances but he took 2 or 3 corners and 2 or 3 free kicks so I reckon yeah one.

Nah, there was a massive difference in his performance and productivity on Sunday than in previous games.

Why do you dismiss these stats, yet quote people like Paul Riley all the time and let them shape your opinion? Kinda feels like you cherry pick what numbers you want to take into account to suit your point.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2019, 06:28:26 PM
Nah, there was a massive difference in his performance and productivity on Sunday than in previous games.

Why do you dismiss these stats, yet quote people like Paul Riley all the time and let them shape your opinion? Kinda feels like you cherry pick what numbers you want to take into account to suit your point.



What numbers dya want me to take into account sorry?

Partly because one knows what they're talking about and the other lists contextless numbers without commentary so it's hard to really understand what I'm looking at. 10 passes in the opposition this compared to 10 at villa.. Is that good? How many should he do? How many do the rest of the midfield in the world take?

And like I say I can remember two crosses myself and I've asked if anyone has any others off the top of their heads, can you help?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on September 03, 2019, 06:35:07 PM
What numbers dya want me to take into account sorry?

Partly because one knows what they're talking about and the other lists contextless numbers without commentary so it's hard to really understand what I'm looking at. 10 passes in the opposition this compared to 10 at villa.. Is that good? How many should he do? How many do the rest of the midfield in the world take?

And like I say I can remember two crosses myself and I've asked if anyone has any others off the top of their heads, can you help?

Just find it interesting how dismissive you are towards certain numbers, and how dogmatic you are towards others. That's all
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2019, 06:56:30 PM
Just find it interesting how dismissive you are towards certain numbers, and how dogmatic you are towards others. That's all

That's fair yeah.

If you can find some way of educating me or a source or something that helps me understand the (non specified) numbers I am ignoring then I'll happily take a look. I know that isn't your responsibility but I'm not clear on what I'm ignoring here. Is there a chance from open play I've missed?

I *felt* like he was way more involved as well, hence why I asked Riley the question like. I certainly still think he played well but I'm just trying to look at it critically, did something change or is a big moment and positive result skewing my perception?

Like I imagine most people I do pick and choose when and what to include in my arguments sometimes intentionally sometimes probably blindly.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Escla on September 03, 2019, 07:19:25 PM
Canít recall any other Everton players performance being so scrutinised, criticised and analysed to the extent that Siggy has been since he signed, just donít get it ?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Macca77 on September 03, 2019, 07:21:18 PM
Canít recall any other Everton players performance being so scrutinised, criticised and analysed to the extent that Siggy has been since he signed, just donít get it ?

Yep, the price tag doesn't help, but that's not his fault, he's a 20+ million player, we bought him for double that, again not his fault.

I think he's a brilliant player.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kerryblue boy on September 03, 2019, 07:37:53 PM
That cross on the hall volley on Sunday was world class
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: cantoffee on September 03, 2019, 08:24:38 PM
That cross on the hall volley on Sunday was world class
Yea - incredible striker of the ball. One of the best in the world imo.

Hope he can contribute more as he seemed to at the weekend. Can see why Silva persists with him as he does have a quality that seems above everyone else just that he doesn't get involved and force the play enough. That won't change but I can't see him not being heavily involved even if we make changes to style of play.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Trublue on September 03, 2019, 08:50:13 PM
He is one of those players, when he is good the team is good but when he isn't having a good day it's horrible. Remember my Uncle saying that about Sheedy. 
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kerryblue boy on September 03, 2019, 09:09:08 PM
I think iwobi size and willingness to get into the box gives us another real target in there Bernard got the rebound of richarilson shot on Sunday and instead of shooting he tried a cross that wasnít on iwobi is a real goal threat
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 03, 2019, 09:23:53 PM
Think it might be as simple as Gylfi/Iwobi working as a combination, but not Gylfi/Bernard
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on September 03, 2019, 10:25:27 PM
I think iwobi size and willingness to get into the box gives us another real target in there Bernard got the rebound of richarilson shot on Sunday and instead of shooting he tried a cross that wasn’t on iwobi is a real goal threat

Yes didn't get that myself. Free attempt at goal 6 yards out and he tries to chip it into a packed box.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Polledreng on September 03, 2019, 11:16:25 PM
I also think if this is a tactical tweak both DCL and Tosun could benefit from Sigurdsson getting more crosses into the box given they are both decent enough in the air
tosun did great for our 3rd goal against Lincoln
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on September 04, 2019, 01:07:34 AM
tosun did great for our 3rd goal against Lincoln

That was a really intelligent header
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on September 04, 2019, 02:24:31 PM
That cross on the hall volley on Sunday was world class
That Iwobi goal has become one of my favorite Everton goals. Love everything about it.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Ramjam on September 04, 2019, 02:39:19 PM
That Iwobi goal has become one of my favorite Everton goals. Love everything about it.


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That goal was similar to Rooneyís on the opening day against Stoke


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on September 04, 2019, 08:45:53 PM
That goal was similar to Rooneyís on the opening day against Stoke


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It was. I just love the flow of this one more. The way Sig whacked the ball across on the half volley. As soon as it left his foot, you knew it was going to be a goal.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 04, 2019, 08:53:18 PM
It was an absolutely ridiculous cross like.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on September 05, 2019, 12:18:05 AM
It was an absolutely ridiculous cross like.

Pure filth
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on September 05, 2019, 01:48:50 AM
It was an absolutely ridiculous cross like.

The Richarlison flick on was a bit naughty too. Loved it
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 05, 2019, 02:21:08 AM
The Richarlison flick on was a bit naughty too. Loved it

Straight on his bike as soon as he turned it round the corner as well. Heading straight for the box.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on September 05, 2019, 02:29:34 AM
He's always been capable of great moments and great individual pieces of action, even when he's been playing shite.

He needs to play well, get on the ball, and affect games continually in a positive manner before I'll ever be convinced that he's the right man for us going forward. I'd still sell him for £30m tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on September 05, 2019, 04:51:16 AM
He's always been capable of great moments and great individual pieces of action, even when he's been playing shite.

He needs to play well, get on the ball, and affect games continually in a positive manner before I'll ever be convinced that he's the right man for us going forward. I'd still sell him for £30m tomorrow.

If he could become continually involved in games like other top number 10ís, and still do the moments of quality, then he would pretty much be worth the fee we paid.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on September 05, 2019, 04:55:04 AM
Iíve always had a weird affinity with Scandinavian players. Think it stems from playing Champ Manager in my formative years. Shout out to Gislason, Selakovic, Kallstrom and the countless others.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 05, 2019, 05:32:02 AM
Iíve always had a weird affinity with Scandinavian players. Think it stems from playing Champ Manager in my formative years. Shout out to Gislason, Selakovic, Kallstrom and the countless others.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 05, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Iíve always had a weird affinity with Scandinavian players. Think it stems from playing Champ Manager in my formative years. Shout out to Gislason, Selakovic, Kallstrom and the countless others.
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Hahaha me too I never realised that. I have had a positive bias towards them lot for years despite not really having very few quality players in recent times. I wonder how has been subconsciously affected by games, actually I did start with Pac-Man and ended up spending a large part of my youth in dark rooms gobbling up magic pills, listening to bleepy music and running from ghosts.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on September 05, 2019, 12:58:17 PM
Iíve always had a weird affinity with Scandinavian players. Think it stems from playing Champ Manager in my formative years. Shout out to Gislason, Selakovic, Kallstrom and the countless others.


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Mads Jorgensen
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on September 05, 2019, 01:51:09 PM
Them and Nigerians  :love:
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Escla on September 05, 2019, 02:30:37 PM
Iíve always had a weird affinity with Scandinavian players. Think it stems from playing Champ Manager in my formative years. Shout out to Gislason, Selakovic, Kallstrom and the countless others.


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Strictly speaking Iceland is not a Scandinavian country, it is a Nordic country.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 05, 2019, 04:52:51 PM
Them and Nigerians  :love:

I think it was finidi at Betis that got me excited about every single Nigerian player on the planet.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on September 05, 2019, 05:03:58 PM
Julius Agahowa for me.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 05, 2019, 05:07:08 PM
Julius Agahowa for me.
Didnt he end up at Wigan?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Robioto on September 05, 2019, 05:20:11 PM
Didnt he end up at Wigan?

Yeah he did, did ok I think, for Wigan's levels anyway.

As we are talking CM some other Scandinavian gems:

Kim Kallstrom
Kennedy BakircioglŁ
Orri Freyr Oskarsson
Tonton Zola Moukoko

Sorry been off topic, lets get back to Sigurdsson.

1: He's shit
2: No he isn't he scores lots of goals and assists
1: But they are all from set pieces and penalties, he doesn't contribute anything
2: But he runs more than any other player
1: But he has less touches than he should in the number 10 role
2: But the touches he has are meaningful as he scores so many
1: He has no creativity though
2: But look at that cross v Wolves
1: He's shit

And repeat. ;) :)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on September 05, 2019, 05:40:51 PM
If he could become continually involved in games like other top number 10’s, and still do the moments of quality, then he would pretty much be worth the fee we paid.

If he was continually involved and delivering over a dozen goals a season, top drawer assists with some worldie strikes in the top bin he wouldn't be playing for Everton.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 05, 2019, 05:53:22 PM
If he was continually involved and delivering over a dozen goals a season, top drawer assists with some worldie strikes in the top bin he wouldn't be playing for Everton.
Is right, fucking hell, he'd be winning ballon d'ors
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on September 05, 2019, 05:55:34 PM
Double figures goals and assists is what he should be getting.

Barkley did that.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on September 05, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
If he was continually involved and delivering over a dozen goals a season, top drawer assists with some worldie strikes in the top bin he wouldn't be playing for Everton.

Nah, Barkley managed that and he was continually involved in our build up play as well
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on September 05, 2019, 08:57:00 PM
Nah, Barkley managed that and he was continually involved in our build up play as well

He managed it once and earned his move to a bigger club.

Weíre never going to get the productivity we want from Sigurdsson because he has never showed it in his career to date. 

If he had shown it Spurs would never have let him go.

He is what he is.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on September 05, 2019, 09:23:34 PM
He managed it once and earned his move to a bigger club.

Weíre never going to get the productivity we want from Sigurdsson because he has never showed it in his career to date. 

If he had shown it Spurs would never have let him go.

He is what he is.

He only went to Chelsea because heíd ran his contract down. No one else of that ilk wanted him.

I agree with the rest of your post, though.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 06, 2019, 12:39:10 AM
1: He's shit
2: No he isn't he scores lots of goals and assists
1: But they are all from set pieces and penalties, he doesn't contribute anything
2: But he runs more than any other player
1: But he has less touches than he should in the number 10 role
2: But the touches he has are meaningful as he scores so many
1: He has no creativity though
2: But look at that cross v Wolves
1: He's shit

And repeat. ;) :)

I can see this working, what is the tune? go west? we might have to tweak some of the lyrics
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: bornblue88 on September 06, 2019, 01:17:40 AM
At 29 he is one of the senior players and especially in the creative/attacking department so the games where he disappears completely are really unacceptable. He should always take responsibility and try to drive our forward threat even if heís not having a good game. He has world class moments though Iíll give him that
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blue1948 on September 06, 2019, 10:00:56 PM
Strictly speaking Iceland is not a Scandinavian country, it is a Nordic country.
As is Finland.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cods on September 09, 2019, 11:57:52 AM
He's always been capable of great moments and great individual pieces of action, even when he's been playing shite.

He needs to play well, get on the ball, and affect games continually in a positive manner before I'll ever be convinced that he's the right man for us going forward. I'd still sell him for £30m tomorrow.
He could also be playing to specific instructions.
We know he and Richarlison (and now Iwobi) are the only finishers we have.

Suggest we see how he plays with (arguably) better and more suitable players around him, in Iwobi and Kean.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on October 19, 2019, 08:39:09 PM
Do you reckon he deserves to start the next game after that good goal?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Gash on October 19, 2019, 08:39:27 PM
No.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 19, 2019, 08:41:09 PM
Haha good one.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blueToffee on October 19, 2019, 08:41:51 PM
Do you reckon he deserves to start the next game after that good goal?

We should line up the same way next game, but you want competition so he should be rotated into and out of the side. No reason to let anyone be complacent.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on October 19, 2019, 08:42:27 PM
Do you reckon he deserves to start the next game after that good goal?

Stop panicking :)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on October 19, 2019, 08:47:35 PM
Stop panicking :)

Youíre panicking ;)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Heath on October 19, 2019, 09:48:30 PM

Well, after seeing his goal against West Ham, it's obvious that need to start playing Gylfi Sigurdsson more from the bench  ;D

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on October 19, 2019, 09:53:56 PM
Do you reckon he deserves to start the next game after that good goal?

Ffs Sam.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ARTEZZY on October 20, 2019, 02:50:16 AM
Sigurdsson get like the worst service in the premiership,and people say he is bad.  Gylfi is easily the second best player Everton have. I am 100% against the hate Gylfi gets.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 20, 2019, 02:59:28 AM
On for 5 minutes. Scored one and forced the best save their 'keeper made all day. We're better with him than without him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2019, 03:07:28 AM
On for 5 minutes. Scored one and forced the best save their 'keeper made all day. We're better with him than without him.

Barely created anything this season with him playing. Could have scored 5 or 6 before he came on today.

All that energy and interchange from our attacking players goes if we start sigurdsson. Heís capable of unbelievable strikes but until he gets on the ball more, until he looks to link play and create itís not even a debate. We need players that contribute towards controlling games not just a few big moments.

Switching sigurdsson and Morgan for 2 players who wanted the ball was the difference today
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2019, 03:11:19 AM
I think Sig is a very good player whose capable of exceptional things. I'm not a big Iwobi fan if I'm honest, but we looked better with him today in that role, he's a pretty poor finisher, but if we can play it like today and Sig comes on when there's more space, where he'll have the time to unleash thunderbolts like that then so be it

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 20, 2019, 03:11:21 AM
Barely created anything this season with him playing. Could have scored 5 or 6 before he came on today.

All that energy and interchange from our attacking players goes if we start sigurdsson. Heís capable of unbelievable strikes but until he gets on the ball more, until he looks to link play and create itís not even a debate. We need players that contribute towards controlling games not just a few big moments.

Switching sigurdsson and Morgan for 2 players who wanted the ball was the difference today

Yes I agree but that won't always be the case.
We played a pretty limp West Ham today and a convincing win was always on the cards. We will need moments of quality against better teams.
Sig is far from surplus to requirements.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ARTEZZY on October 20, 2019, 03:13:00 AM
Barely created anything this season with him playing. Could have scored 5 or 6 before he came on today.

All that energy and interchange from our attacking players goes if we start sigurdsson. Heís capable of unbelievable strikes but until he gets on the ball more, until he looks to link play and create itís not even a debate. We need players that contribute towards controlling games not just a few big moments.

Switching sigurdsson and Morgan for 2 players who wanted the ball was the difference today

EVERTON PLAYED THE SAME AT HOME TODAY AS THE HAVE ALL SEASON. I mentioned the differences.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on October 20, 2019, 03:25:38 AM
I think it has more to do with the two behind him if Iím honest. Delphi and Schienderlin together arenít a great combination to bring any movement and energy to our midfield. With a more adventurous, energetic pairing I think we get to see the best out of Sig
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ARTEZZY on October 20, 2019, 03:39:59 AM
I think it has more to do with the two behind him if Iím honest. Delphi and Schienderlin together arenít a great combination to bring any movement and energy to our midfield. With a more adventurous, energetic pairing I think we get to see the best out of Sig

igurdsSson has never got the ball in good positions. Everton only has Gomes who can pass the ball.

People want more attacking players? We barely get Richardson and the Icelandic hammer the ball.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Gash on October 20, 2019, 04:11:50 AM
On the subject, I often wonder what Kevin Richardson is up to these days?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on October 20, 2019, 04:16:02 AM
On the subject, I often wonder what Kevin Richardson is up to these days?

Him and Alan Harper had excellent fair haired taches
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on October 20, 2019, 04:52:03 AM
Jack Grealish plays an advanced 10 role, like Sigurdsson, and he had 87 touches against Brighton today, with just over 50% team possession. Compare that to Sigurdsson against Villa: 13 touches from around 70% team possession.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on October 20, 2019, 05:17:37 AM
Regardless of anything else, I do love a Sigurdsson screamer.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on October 20, 2019, 05:20:49 AM
Regardless of anything else, I do love a Sigurdsson screamer.

Without a doubt. Glorious turn and finish today.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on October 20, 2019, 05:24:16 AM
Jack Grealish plays an advanced 10 role, like Sigurdsson, and he had 87 touches against Brighton today, with just over 50% team possession. Compare that to Sigurdsson against Villa: 13 touches from around 70% team possession.

Grealish plays an entirely free roaming role though, and hasn't had Schneiderlin feeding him the ball.

I dont think siggys been good...but that's un unfair comparison
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on October 20, 2019, 05:27:58 AM
Grealish plays an entirely free roaming role though, and hasn't had Schneiderlin feeding him the ball.

I dont think siggys been good...but that's un unfair comparison

Thatís nonsense, Sigurdsson chooses to hide between markers most of the time, and he has the freedom to drift out wide when he wants to, which he does occasionally to great effect.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on October 20, 2019, 05:32:39 AM
Thatís nonsense, Sigurdsson chooses to hide between markers most of the time, and he has the freedom to drift out wide when he wants to, which he does occasionally to great effect.

Not sure that's fair either, tons of people have been critical of how slowly we've played through the middle or entirely avoided it.

how much of that comes from sigurdsson not being available and how much has come from poor holding midfield performances is up for debate...but I feel he's had absolute shit service regardless of his movement and would have a better game today with our speed of play.

He doesn't do what grealish is asked to do though which appears to be the freedom to pop up almost anywhere.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on October 20, 2019, 05:38:32 AM
Not sure that's fair either, tons of people have been critical of how slowly we've played through the middle or entirely avoided it.

how much of that comes from sigurdsson not being available and how much has come from poor holding midfield performances is up for debate...but I feel he's had absolute shit service regardless of his movement and would have a better game today with our speed of play.

He doesn't do what grealish is asked to do though which appears to be the freedom to pop up almost anywhere.

Iwobi proved today that coming short and creating the angle for passing triangles opens up multiple attacking possibilities. 

Grealish does this too.

Sigurdsson just doesnít do it, which is doubly frustrating because heís got a great through ball in him.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on October 20, 2019, 06:19:56 AM
Regardless of anything else, I do love a Sigurdsson screamer.

When he gets it out of his feet in that position you are just fucked aren't you.

Going to have a highlight reel like Gheorghe Hagi when he retires.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on October 20, 2019, 06:52:28 AM
Jack Grealish plays an advanced 10 role, like Sigurdsson, and he had 87 touches against Brighton today, with just over 50% team possession. Compare that to Sigurdsson against Villa: 13 touches from around 70% team possession.

Really don't see the value in continually going on about the villa game. Yes he wasn't very good. Neither was anyone else.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on October 20, 2019, 07:01:25 AM
Really don't see the value in continually going on about the villa game. Yes he wasn't very good. Neither was anyone else.

Well, itís the only one where someone on here got his stats. Iím sure all his performances this year will include a similar lack of touches.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 20, 2019, 04:03:53 PM
It's good to have options. I'd go with Iwobi again next game, let them both push each other to improve.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2019, 04:16:28 PM
Sigurdsson get like the worst service in the premiership,and people say he is bad.  Gylfi is easily the second best player Everton have. I am 100% against the hate Gylfi gets.

Interested to know who is easily the best player we have also. I donít think itís that obvious myself.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2019, 04:22:04 PM
The same but different you say?
EVERTON PLAYED THE SAME AT HOME TODAY AS THE HAVE ALL SEASON. I mentioned the differences.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bally on October 20, 2019, 09:23:00 PM
Sigurdsson get like the worst service in the premiership,and people say he is bad.  Gylfi is easily the second best player Everton have. I am 100% against the hate Gylfi gets.
Ahhhh the Sig

Didn't take long did it

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Toddacelli on October 20, 2019, 09:59:24 PM
Game changer from off the bench.

A measure of how far we've come when our big signing from a couple of seasons ago is now an impactsub/squad player.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on October 20, 2019, 10:01:41 PM
Game changer from off the bench.

A measure of how far we've come when our big signing from a couple of seasons ago is now an impactsub/squad player.

Be nice to have a squad that meant we could implement Ďhorses for coursesí selections
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 12:56:48 AM
Any debate left?

The worst signing this club has ever made.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 01:00:18 AM
Any debate left?

The worst signing this club has ever made.

Quality thread bump :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2019, 01:00:26 AM
Any debate left?

The worst signing this club has ever made.

Bollasie is far worse
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 01:01:54 AM
Any debate left?

The worst signing this club has ever made.

Not even close to being the worse signing ever.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheTone on December 23, 2019, 01:06:33 AM
I'll raise you a Sandro and I'm throwing the lot in
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2019, 01:06:33 AM
Any debate left?

The worst signing this club has ever made.

Agreed, £ for £.

Goals have gone this season and it's become abundantly clear he shouldn't be near the team.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on December 23, 2019, 01:06:48 AM
Any debate left?

The worst signing this club has ever made.

Probably not even worst one in the squad ;)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 01:08:10 AM
Letís see what Ancelottii can do with him
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2019, 01:09:50 AM
Letís see what Ancelottii can do with him

Sell him hopefully!
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on December 23, 2019, 01:09:53 AM
Letís see what Ancelottii can do with him

Would be surprised if he got any more out of him than Silva did last year.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2019, 01:10:35 AM
Agreed, £ for £.

Goals have gone this season and it's become abundantly clear he shouldn't be near the team.
Bolasie 28m, Keane 30m ?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2019, 01:13:37 AM
Bolasie 28m, Keane 30m ?

Bolasie hasn't made our team worse because we've shifted him.

Keane is also a shout but we might get some money back of him.

Sigurdsson is a terrible signing because managers are still sticking him in the team despite him killing our attack, thinking he might pop up with a goal but that doesn't happen anymore.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on December 23, 2019, 01:14:57 AM
Bolasie hasn't made our team worse because we've shifted him.

Keane is also a shout but we might get some money back of him.

Sigurdsson is a terrible signing because managers are still sticking him in the team despite him killing our attack, thinking he might pop up with a goal but that doesn't happen anymore.

Think managers stick him in the team for massive work rate and off the ball seems to be very aware of where everyone should be.

Plus he might score/ set piece assist etc.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2019, 01:15:07 AM
Bolasie 28m, Keane 30m ?

Mr. Steve Walsh, ladies & gentleman! 😃  :clap:
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Alanvideo on December 23, 2019, 01:15:18 AM
Some nice touches yesterday but he was running in treacle .
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on December 23, 2019, 01:16:14 AM
Some nice touches yesterday but he was running in treacle .

Yes. Plus heís awful at tackling.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 01:16:57 AM
Koeman, Fat Twat and Silva all defensive players/managers. Ancelotti, an attacking player and a manager who can change things up. Iíd like to think he can do something with him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2019, 01:17:14 AM
Bolasie hasn't made our team worse because we've shifted him.

Keane is also a shout but we might get some money back of him.

Sigurdsson is a terrible signing because managers are still sticking him in the team despite him killing our attack, thinking he might pop up with a goal but that doesn't happen anymore.
Bolasie is only not making the team worse because he was not good enough for even a squad place. We are probs topping up his wages as we speak as well as being 28m down ! Joke of a signing.

Surely Sigs numbers last year cant just be forgotten?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2019, 01:18:12 AM
Mr. Steve Walsh, ladies & gentleman! 😃  :clap:
:headbang:
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 01:21:23 AM
Probably not even worst one in the squad ;)

No chance.

Absolute albatross since he was signed. Millstone.

Useless bastard that has ruined our midfield for the best part of 5 years.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2019, 01:21:42 AM
:headbang:

The most impetuous Moshiri appointment, wasnít it, that is still fleecing us now.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 23, 2019, 01:27:29 AM
Whilst I think Sig has been a huge disappointment this season, there's many a fine tune played on an old fiddle if you find the right fiddler. If not he'll be shipped out.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 01:32:06 AM
Mr. Steve Walsh, ladies & gentleman! 😃  :clap:

I knew about Gylfi's £100k/week silliness, but I just learned that Bolasie & Sandro are costing us a combined £140k/week. FFS
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on December 23, 2019, 01:38:07 AM
Letís see what Ancelottii can do with him

I was about to post the exact same thing... The best managers get the best out of players, and Sig has loads of ability.  It'll be interesting to see if he can get a tune out of him, let's not write him off yet!
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: dchans on December 23, 2019, 01:41:46 AM
How much do we think we can realistically get for him now, and who would buy him?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 02:00:07 AM
Do we have to do that for every new manager oh let's see if someone new can polish the proverbial.

Get him to China ASAP
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 02:01:02 AM
How much do we think we can realistically get for him now, and who would buy him?

No clue who'd take him but he defo has enough skill for someone to want him. His age counts against him though, so my best guess is possibly an Italian side, or a Championship side with ambitions. If we could get a £20m fee and someone to take on half his wages, I'd jump at it. Yes we'd still have to pay around £50k/week but that's £50k less than he costs us right now and I'm certain we could put that money to use.

But I do agree with some here - even as someone who's always critical of him - that if Ancelotti can help him get his form back, that's only a plus for us. Not to mention it could raise his profile so that maybe we could sell him at an even better price.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 02:06:49 AM
Do we have to do that for every new manager oh let's see if someone new can polish the proverbial.

Get him to China ASAP

No, but we now have an actual manager with pedigree. Would be a bit churlish not to see what he could do with Sig. Especially as he is not actually a bad player.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2019, 02:11:47 AM
Iíve never taken much liking to Sig. but heís given us some moments of joy. Heís not long term, we massively over paid for him but weíre not going to sell him easily so letís see what the Don can do with him over the next six months.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2019, 02:15:26 AM
Sigurdsson has been the same throughout his career and he's 30 years old.

Absolutely nothing will change.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on December 23, 2019, 02:19:09 AM
Sigurdsson has been the same throughout his career and he's 30 years old.

Absolutely nothing will change.

Yes Iíd say that the issue with the ball.

I think weíd have to compromise other players to get the best from him.

Think Silva did a decent job balancing this last year to be fair.

But heís not going to start demanding the ball all the time even if Ancelotti asks him too.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Goaljira on December 23, 2019, 02:25:39 AM
Should just stick him wide right and have him pinging crosses in, and he'd also cover back for Sidebe.

Its a far from perfect solution, but he might just pad his stats enough for someone to think he's worth a bid.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 02:39:38 AM
Should just stick him wide right and have him pinging crosses in, and he'd also cover back for Sidebe.

Its a far from perfect solution, but he might just pad his stats enough for someone to think he's worth a bid.

My issue with this idea, while certainly better than insisting he play in that 10 spot, is that it would come at the expense of someone else. Though that may just be me since I want to see Richarlison play that role, allowing Kean & DCL to be dual strikers.

I can't remember where I read it, but I believe Ancelotti was successful at converting a similarly-skilled player into a solid no.8 at Napoli (Fabian Ruiz maybe?), which we could certainly use in Gomes absence.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jamokachi on December 23, 2019, 02:47:05 AM
No question that heís been poor value for money, but that doesnít qualify him as the worst signing ever. Calm it down with the hyperbole.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: mikey_blue on December 23, 2019, 03:19:34 AM
Hopeful we can still ship him off. A team thatís lacking goals in the prem would deffo take him. Got Burnley written all over him.

Looking forward to him being phased out of the team and seeing James Rodriguez in his place.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 03:22:32 AM
No, but we now have an actual manager with pedigree. Would be a bit churlish not to see what he could do with Sig. Especially as he is not actually a bad player.

I'd rather give ancelotti time with someone who is hopefully going to be here next year rather than hoping he can make a 30 year old dog learn new tricks.

I wouldn't be shocked if ancelotti does pick him though to be honest, a (technically speaking) midfielder with his goal record is sure to raise an eyebrow.

No question that heís been poor value for money, but that doesnít qualify him as the worst signing ever. Calm it down with the hyperbole.

No hyperbole, I think theres an argument that he's the worst signing any prem club have made in the last 10 years.

In terms of timing, fit, the time it took for us to get him over the line, how he's impacted squad building and the shape of the side in the seasons since then...

Honestly think what could we have done with that £45m. Dreadful, dreadful business that should have come as a surprise to absolutely no one. The record of an average forward and the midfield play of an abjectly terrible midfielder who hides from the ball.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: markB on December 23, 2019, 03:30:44 AM
Do we have to do that for every new manager oh let's see if someone new can polish the proverbial.

Get him to China ASAP

they love that thunder clap out there
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 03:33:39 AM
I'd rather give ancelotti time with someone who is hopefully going to be here next year rather than hoping he can make a 30 year old dog learn new tricks.

I wouldn't be shocked if ancelotti does pick him though to be honest, a (technically speaking) midfielder with his goal record is sure to raise an eyebrow.

No hyperbole, I think theres an argument that he's the worst signing any prem club have made in the last 10 years.

In terms of timing, fit, the time it took for us to get him over the line, how he's impacted squad building and the shape of the side in the seasons since then...

Honestly think what could we have done with that £45m. Dreadful, dreadful business that should have come as a surprise to absolutely no one. The record of an average forward and the midfield play of an abjectly terrible midfielder who hides from the ball.

So there have never been examples of a manager changing the effectiveness or role of a 30+ year old player?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 03:47:39 AM
So there have never been examples of a manager changing the effectiveness or role of a 30+ year old player?

No doubt, but for me there's not much point.

Move him on as soon as possible, let the manager use a player who is here long term.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 03:50:01 AM
No doubt, but for me there's not much point.

Move him on as soon as possible, let the manager use a player who is here long term.

Fair enough. Still think thereís a player in there who will benefit us, especially if Ancelotti likes to rotate his sides/formation as people says he does
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2019, 03:51:14 AM
The fact is Sig is with us and he will be used a lot in the next six months. We have to hope Ancelotti can turn his form around for the good of the team. Hopefully he gets shipped out in the summer but itís unlikely.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 23, 2019, 03:54:23 AM
He's only a part of the log jam, although his price tag sets him apart from the rest of the list that needs shifting, hopefully they just get on with it and take the hit and get rid fast, sooner we do it the quicker things will take off, big job on though Carlo has...
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2019, 04:02:25 AM
Said we should never have signed him.

Got told he was one of the best playmakers in the league and it wasnít my money so why should I care?

Canít stand him. Hated every minute of watching him play.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 04:06:32 AM
Fair enough. Still think thereís a player in there who will benefit us, especially if Ancelotti likes to rotate his sides/formation as people says he does

I suppose realistically we're not in the position where we can freeze out 45m players.

We also can't force anyone to take him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2019, 04:29:16 AM
Said we should never have signed him.

Got told he was one of the best playmakers in the league and it wasnít my money so why should I care?

Canít stand him. Hated every minute of watching him play.
You didnt enjoy all the goals and assists last year?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on December 23, 2019, 04:44:40 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/carlo-ancelotti-everton-latest-news-17462322

:)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 04:45:14 AM
You didnt enjoy all the goals and assists last year?

Was going to say that
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 23, 2019, 04:49:17 AM
Should just stick him wide right and have him pinging crosses in, and he'd also cover back for Sidebe.

Its a far from perfect solution, but he might just pad his stats enough for someone to think he's worth a bid.

If only teams had DOFs that looked at purely stats and arsed actually watching a player



Whereís Steve Walsh these days?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on December 23, 2019, 04:57:30 AM
Would be surprised if he got any more out of him than Silva did last year.

I'd like to think Ancelloti wouldn't just let him sit invisible as a false 10 and not show for the ball in that position.

Maybe Marco didn't have the balls to just drop a 40million pound signing but I can't see Ancelloti taking the same kind of performances. He's earned the right to drop anyone not pulling their weight.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 23, 2019, 05:03:26 AM
You didnt enjoy all the goals and assists last year?

Yeah but apart from that, what has Sigurdsson ever done for us?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 23, 2019, 05:51:27 AM
Those few screamers he scored now and again are nice, but my god heís the dullest 10 I think Iíve ever seen play. Those out of the blue screamers aside I think everyone in the ground know exactly what heís going to do with the balk when he gets it. We can do SO much better than him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2019, 05:55:12 AM
You didnt enjoy all the goals and assists last year?

Meh, not really because I knew the team was better without him and every goal he scored meant he stayed in the team.

Hasnít he got like three goals and no assists in the last thirty games?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 05:55:54 AM
Hopeful we can still ship him off. A team thatís lacking goals in the prem would deffo take him. Got Burnley written all over him.

Looking forward to him being phased out of the team and seeing James Rodriguez in his place.

Jokes on them because we're lacking goals and he's done fuck all for us.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 05:57:54 AM
The fact is Sig is with us and he will be used a lot in the next six months. We have to hope Ancelotti can turn his form around for the good of the team. Hopefully he gets shipped out in the summer but itís unlikely.


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Assuming (not sure how big an assumption this is or not) Gbamin is back and at full-strength, by say, February, you still think he's going to play a lot for us? I don't.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 05:59:07 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/carlo-ancelotti-everton-latest-news-17462322

:)

of course he said that, rumor has it Carlo's trainings are for the lazy :snigger: :badum:
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 06:03:50 AM
Meh, not really because I knew the team was better without him and every goal he scored meant he stayed in the team.

Hasnít he got like three goals and no assists in the last thirty games?

6 goals, 4 assists in 36 calendar year 2019 matches (league only).
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: irishtoffee on December 23, 2019, 06:04:24 AM
Assuming (not sure how big an assumption this is or not) Gbamin is back and at full-strength, by say, February, you still think he's going to play a lot for us? I don't.
Whatís Gbamin going to do? The answer is none of us know. Heís played 2 games for us and some people think heís going to solve our problems. He might, but then again maybe he isnít as good as we think. There was a time people raved about James Mccarthy or Beni Banigime after a small sample pool of games.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Toddacelli on December 23, 2019, 11:54:44 AM
Do we have to do that for every new manager oh let's see if someone new can polish the proverbial.

Get him to China ASAP

Got MLS written all over him. That'd do for me.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Toddacelli on December 23, 2019, 12:00:09 PM
Whatís Gbamin going to do? The answer is none of us know. Heís played 2 games for us and some people think heís going to solve our problems. He might, but then again maybe he isnít as good as we think. There was a time people raved about James Mccarthy or Beni Banigime after a small sample pool of games.

Guilty on both them counts. Tbf McCarthy did impress at first.

I'm also not yet off the Baningime bandwagon as he looked promising and not out of his depth on his brief first team cameos in all but one game I think. A cup game where the entire team was shite if I recall correctly? Anyways, my patchy memory aside, I still think we're going to get a look at Beni in the near future so I've got my fingers crossed for the lad.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2019, 01:23:04 PM
Any debate left?

The worst signing this club has ever made.

I said it when it was originally reported we were interested. Wouldnít be half as miserable if Everton stopped doing ridiculous things to make me miserable
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 23, 2019, 01:41:09 PM
Just looks like his legs have gone. Heís played regular football since he was 16 and you can tell. Plus all those international games.

Enigma of the highest order. Was never really a number 10, just liked to operate in that area. Shows how important pace and dynamism is in this league: you can have all the technique in the world but if you canít create space for yourself and those around you, you might as well not be on the pitch.

That said, Iím not going to be a dick and say I havenít enjoyed his screamers since heís been here.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2019, 02:04:36 PM
Sigurdsson has been the same throughout his career and he's 30 years old.

Absolutely nothing will change.

Thatís exactly why heís our worst ever signing. Maybe hindsight makes a Sandro, bolasie or a Keane worse but you didnít need hindsight with sigurdsson. He was always this player
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 02:27:46 PM
Thatís exactly why heís our worst ever signing. Maybe hindsight makes a Sandro, bolasie or a Keane worse but you didnít need hindsight with sigurdsson. He was always this player

Claus Thomson, Carl Tiler, Mitch Ward, John OíKane, Paul Gerrard all say hi
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2019, 02:31:54 PM
Claus Thomson, Carl Tiler, Mitch Ward, John OíKane, Paul Gerrard all say hi

Cost about 50p between them. Sigurdsson is our record signing and he came with attacking open play numbers similar to Gareth Barry
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 03:05:06 PM
Cost about 50p between them. Sigurdsson is our record signing and he came with attacking open play numbers similar to Gareth Barry

This is where itís all subjective though. The price is a large part of it but there are far worse signings imo
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on December 23, 2019, 03:24:19 PM
Cost about 50p between them. Sigurdsson is our record signing and he came with attacking open play numbers similar to Gareth Barry
This thing with Sigurdsson only being good at set pieces is a bit of a myth. At Swansea he scored 27 goals (6 penalties, 7 Free kicks, 14 from open play) At Spurs 13 goals all from open play. These are not Gareth Barry numbers.  His value to us then was also based on the fact that he was supposed to be good at set pieces. We didn't have a decent right footed set-piece specialist. I would say a big disappointment is that he is actually quite poor at SPs. Where are those Free Kicks he was doing at Swansea? He can't even take a decent penalty with us.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2019, 03:41:46 PM
Hoping he's the ghost of Christmas past, and not the ghost of Christmas present or future.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2019, 03:52:11 PM
This is where it’s all subjective though. The price is a large part of it but there are far worse signings imo

There's a massive difference between worst signing and worst player though.

Brap isn't saying Sigurdsson is the worst player to play for us.

























That's Phil Neville. ;)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 04:12:17 PM
There's a massive difference between worst signing and worst player though.

Brap isn't saying Sigurdsson is the worst player to play for us.

























That's Phil Neville. ;)

Look at the hyperbole used and itís difficult to tell the difference
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 04:13:34 PM
This thing with Sigurdsson only being good at set pieces is a bit of a myth. At Swansea he scored 27 goals (6 penalties, 7 Free kicks, 14 from open play) At Spurs 13 goals all from open play. These are not Gareth Barry numbers.  His value to us then was also based on the fact that he was supposed to be good at set pieces. We didn't have a decent right footed set-piece specialist. I would say a big disappointment is that he is actually quite poor at SPs. Where are those Free Kicks he was doing at Swansea? He can't even take a decent penalty with us.


Set piece delivery, rather than scoring.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2019, 04:18:26 PM
Scores a worldy on Thursday
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 04:21:31 PM
Look at the hyperbole used and itís difficult to tell the difference

I feel I've been as clear as I can be. I genuinely believe pound for pound the worst signing we've made for all the reasons listed.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2019, 05:40:16 PM
I feel I've been as clear as I can be. I genuinely believe pound for pound the worst signing we've made for all the reasons listed.
Cant agree with that at all brap and cant see why everyone is proposing we take him out the side for Iwobi because he tries hard ?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 23, 2019, 05:42:51 PM
I feel I've been as clear as I can be. I genuinely believe pound for pound the worst signing we've made for all the reasons listed.


Yeah I get that.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 05:45:42 PM
Cant agree with that at all brap and cant see why everyone is proposing we take him out the side for Iwobi because he tries hard ?

Sigurdsson tries hard too, to be fair to him.

But people want Iwobi to play in his place because he has qualities that Sigurdsson doesn't and improves the patterns of play around him, while Sigurdsson's faults have been clear to see during his time here.

He's a midfielder who doesn't want the ball unless he's unmarked on the edge of the box. We can't afford to carry a passenger like that.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cods on December 23, 2019, 05:47:55 PM
I think weíd have to compromise other players to get the best from him.

I think heís been made to compromise his game considerably to make up for the lack of quality in our spine, directly behind, and in front of him, and at times alongside him.


Weíre as toothless as weíve been in a long time (and thatís saying something), and weíve also had the shakiest defence this season in a long while.

He is a large part of the best football moments weíve had in the last 1.5 seasons. No player we have has the vision and composure, barring maybe Baines.

Granted heís not performed as well as he could, but heís done a lot better than some of the comments posted in this thread make out.
I expect he will be a regular starter for Ancelotti.  And his manager should see a lot of his own qualities from his playing days, in Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: cantoffee on December 23, 2019, 06:03:28 PM
Incredible technique when he strikes the ball with either foot.

I do think if the right coach had got ahold of him earlier in his career he would have ended up as a deeper CM that makes late runs in to the box.

Bit late now and think if we get an offer this summer we should take it. Doubt we will though and think he is here until the end of his contract.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: dazfrancis on December 23, 2019, 06:12:08 PM
It's a bit hyperbolic from brap but totally agree Sig is the most dysfunctional signing we've ever made given the money paid for him.

45 million plus decent wages for 1 decentish season regardless of whether he has been played out of position or other mitigating factors is a really poor return on investment.

Even Sandro isn't that poor value
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2019, 06:27:51 PM
Sigurdsson tries hard too, to be fair to him.

But people want Iwobi to play in his place because he has qualities that Sigurdsson doesn't and improves the patterns of play around him, while Sigurdsson's faults have been clear to see during his time here.

He's a midfielder who doesn't want the ball unless he's unmarked on the edge of the box. We can't afford to carry a passenger like that.
I have to be honest and say I ve not seen these qualities tbh. Totally agree he never shys away but for me he gives the ball away far too much and makes bad decisions.

Sig is at least a theat when given a chance while Iwobi doesnt score nor create assists which surely should be what we need ?

Obvs if a better option is out to replace Sig I'm all over it but fif me Iwobi isnt that man.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2019, 06:39:26 PM
I have to be honest and say I ve not seen these qualities tbh. Totally agree he never shys away but for me he gives the ball away far too much and makes bad decisions.

Sig is at least a theat when given a chance while Iwobi doesnt score nor create assists which surely should be what we need ?

Obvs if a better option is out to replace Sig I'm all over it but fif me Iwobi isnt that man.

Iwobi has more goals and assists than Sigurdsson this season.
Title: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2019, 06:42:11 PM
Iwobi has more goals and assists than Sigurdsson this season.
According to the Beeb they both have an assist and two goals each.

Very poor return for an 80 million outlay though.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on December 23, 2019, 06:44:14 PM
Iwobi has more goals and assists than Sigurdsson this season.


Iwobi assists will go up anyway as any sort of pattern of play emerges.

Iwo
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
Just looks like his legs have gone. Heís played regular football since he was 16 and you can tell. Plus all those international games.

Enigma of the highest order. Was never really a number 10, just liked to operate in that area. Shows how important pace and dynamism is in this league: you can have all the technique in the world but if you canít create space for yourself and those around you, you might as well not be on the pitch.

That said, Iím not going to be a dick and say I havenít enjoyed his screamers since heís been here.


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Obviously enjoyed them in the moment, but they did leave a sour aftertaste because it seemed to vindicate the decision to keep him in the team at the expense of players who I thought could contribute a lot more than him.

Literally all he offers is the odd screamer. Thatís it. Nothing else.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 06:46:44 PM
Whips a good set piece like.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on December 23, 2019, 06:48:02 PM
Sig has been so awful this year that I think people are forgetting how good he was last year. After Digne, who was our player of the season, it was probably between him and Geuye for 2nd best. He was our joint top scorer and top at assists (only 1 was not from open play) He played twice as many accurate through balls than the rest of our team put together. And was only 2nd to Digne for number of accurate crosses. He was only just behind Gomes, Bernard and Richarlison for successful dribbles.
Yes we seriously overpaid for him but we also overpaid for Bolasie, Klaassen, Keane, Schneiderlin, Walcott, Tosun. As bad as his imitation of a ghost has been this season, I can't accept that the return on his investment has been any worse than the above 6
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2019, 06:52:45 PM
Iwobi has more goals and assists than Sigurdsson this season.
Not in the league
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2019, 06:54:12 PM
Sig has been so awful this year that I think people are forgetting how good he was last year. After Digne, who was our player of the season, it was probably between him and Geuye for 2nd best. He was our joint top scorer and top at assists (only 1 was not from open play) He played twice as many accurate through balls than the rest of our team put together. And was only 2nd to Digne for number of accurate crosses. He was only just behind Gomes, Bernard and Richarlison for successful dribbles.
Yes we seriously overpaid for him but we also overpaid for Bolasie, Klaassen, Keane, Schneiderlin, Walcott, Tosun. As bad as his imitation of a ghost has been this season, I can't accept that the return on his investment has been any worse than the above 6
Spot on
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2019, 06:56:04 PM
It's a game of opinions, personally I don't think he was good last year. I think he popped up with goals because silva made a system of allowing him late runs into the box.

If you can honestly watch that man play football and still come out with the 'he's our most creative player' type stuff the press come out with then fair enough, but I personally cannot bare watching him and I can't wait for us to move on from the colossal error that was chasing him all summer for £45m.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2019, 06:56:42 PM
Not in the league

The lad has one goal in the late. Not much of a threat is he?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 23, 2019, 06:59:03 PM
Hoping he's the ghost of Christmas past, and not the ghost of Christmas present or future.
See what you did there. Topical!


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on December 23, 2019, 06:59:38 PM
Heís good with the ball in space either shooting or through balls.

Itís his involvement, or lack of it, that limits the number of times he finds himself in these positions.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: cantoffee on December 23, 2019, 07:02:56 PM
Think he could have been a David Beckham style wide midfielder.

Great deliveries, good tracking back, obviously need a fullback that will overlap all day long as well.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 23, 2019, 07:35:36 PM
It's not just his lack of effectiveness in his own role, the midfield functions better without him, whoever is in .
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2019, 08:00:59 PM
He's having a God-awful terrible season that's for sure.

Klassen is possibly our pound for pound worst signing though, of recent times.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 08:05:34 PM
Whatís Gbamin going to do? The answer is none of us know. Heís played 2 games for us and some people think heís going to solve our problems. He might, but then again maybe he isnít as good as we think. There was a time people raved about James Mccarthy or Beni Banigime after a small sample pool of games.

It's not whether or not he'll solve our problems - he's only 1 guy, after all - it's that we went out and got him, paid a decent amount, he was definitely going to be given a spot in the starting XI, and we're hoping that he was going to replace at least some of the void we have from losing Gana.

So he's surely going to get a very extended look, and he's probably going to be much higher on the midfield pecking order than Gylfi.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 08:15:26 PM
Re: Gylfi vs Iwobi

Completely accurate to say they've contributed the same amount this year in terms of goals & assists. Gylfi's passing & ball control stats will always look better because he plays it safe and Iwobi doesn't at all.

But really, it's this IMO:

Gylfi, £45m signing, £100k/week wages, age 30.
Iwobi, £27m signing, £50k/week wages, age 23.

How is this even a debate?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on December 23, 2019, 08:23:44 PM
6 goals, 4 assists in 36 calendar year 2019 matches (league only).

Wouldnít surprise me if a couple of those were knocking in the rebound from penalties that heíd missed.

Absolute nothing player. I can take players who are low on ability and have a go but donít hide from the football.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cods on December 27, 2019, 04:40:47 AM
Another timely tackle, at a pivotal moment, to win possession and carve out todayís goal.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 27, 2019, 04:57:11 AM
Another timely tackle, at a pivotal moment, to win possession and carve out todayís goal.
Nah he was shit and Iwobi would have done it better !

In all seriousness I think king Carlo will get better out if him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on December 27, 2019, 05:17:29 AM
Nah he was shit and Iwobi would have done it better !

In all seriousness I think king Carlo will get better out if him.
Ihope so.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2019, 05:19:16 AM
I donít think ĎKing Carloí will be insane enough to play him as a 10/lazy second striker, and tolerate him hiding between two markers on the edge of the box whenever we are in possession against a low block, and touching the ball about 15 times per game, so Iím fine with him getting minutes playing deeper like today, which is what Iíve always said.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 27, 2019, 05:55:50 AM
I donít think ĎKing Carloí will be insane enough to play him as a 10/lazy second striker, and tolerate him hiding between two markers on the edge of the box whenever we are in possession against a low block, and touching the ball about 15 times per game, so Iím fine with him getting minutes playing deeper like today, which is what Iíve always said.

He was perfect as the more advanced of the 2 HMs, joining the attack as necessary. Check out how much he was involved today (the intercept/tackle > pass to Sidibe is the yellow circle).

(https://i.ibb.co/MSk6X1B/2019-12-26-18-51-41.jpg)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2019, 05:59:59 AM
He was perfect as the more advanced of the 2 HMs, joining the attack as necessary. Check out how much he was involved today (the intercept/tackle > pass to Sidibe is the yellow circle).

(https://i.ibb.co/MSk6X1B/2019-12-26-18-51-41.jpg)

Much better.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 27, 2019, 06:02:29 AM
Much better.

If you were to also take Delph's dashboard and lay it on top of Sigurdsson's, you'd be shocked at how much of the middle of the pitch they covered. It's been 90 minutes and I'm already gaga over Ancelotti's fluid formation lol
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2019, 06:05:26 AM
If you were to also take Delph's dashboard and lay it on top of Sigurdsson's, you'd be shocked at how much of the middle of the pitch they covered. It's been 90 minutes and I'm already gaga over Ancelotti's fluid formation lol

Good stuff.

It was only Burnley at home, though, my man, but I know you know that. A good start, and good signs. I would like an extra attacking player on the pitch, but weíll see how this goes.

Hadnít we switched to 4-3-3 when we scored the goal, though?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 27, 2019, 06:05:57 AM
He was perfect as the more advanced of the 2 HMs, joining the attack as necessary. Check out how much he was involved today (the intercept/tackle > pass to Sidibe is the yellow circle).

(https://i.ibb.co/MSk6X1B/2019-12-26-18-51-41.jpg)

Fuck it, here's Delph's. Look at that coverage!

(https://i.ibb.co/G9hSPgf/2019-12-26-19-04-08.jpg)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 27, 2019, 06:08:42 AM
Good stuff.

It was only Burnley at home, though, my man, but I know you know that. A good start, and good signs. I would like an extra attacking player on the pitch, but weíll see how this goes.

Hadnít we switched to 4-3-3 when we scored the goal, though?

Yup, once Kean came on, he went up front left, DCL moved into a true 9 spot, and Richy basically stayed where he was. You know what's funny? I think we've scored several goals recently after Kean was subbed on (not that he had anything to do with them, lol).
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2019, 06:15:33 AM
Yup, once Kean came on, he went up front left, DCL moved into a true 9 spot, and Richy basically stayed where he was. You know what's funny? I think we've scored several goals recently after Kean was subbed on (not that he had anything to do with them, lol).

On the contrary, he wouldíve had plenty to do with it, as he wouldíve given the opposition defence another thing to worry about.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 27, 2019, 06:16:53 AM
On the contrary, he wouldíve had plenty to do with it, as he wouldíve given the opposition defence another thing to worry about.

Good point; I misspoke on that for sure. There's a teeny weeny part of me that was hoping DCL missed that header because Kean was right there to bang it in :D
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2019, 06:19:07 AM
Good point; I misspoke on that for sure. There's a teeny weeny part of me that was hoping DCL missed that header because Kean was right there to bang it in :D

Donít get obsessed, now.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 27, 2019, 06:23:25 AM
Donít get obsessed, now.

Have you just met me?

You're the Statler to my Waldorf

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 27, 2019, 06:31:14 AM
People seem to struggle to say hes played well...the man cant catch a break on here
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2019, 06:33:46 AM
Have you just met me?

You're the Statler to my Waldorf

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I meant obsessed with Kean 😳
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 27, 2019, 06:35:41 AM
People seem to struggle to say hes played well...the man cant catch a break on here

He did play well, it was his best performance of the season.

Keep him deeper like this, and he will be more involved, and help us keep our shape.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 27, 2019, 06:47:51 AM
I meant obsessed with Kean 😳

I knew what you meant lolol
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: howard1334 on December 27, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Think he's much more suited for the deeper role.  Given his lack of pace, I'd not put him in their against the better opposition (and would rather leave him on the bench), but I don't mind having him on in matches like today's.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 27, 2019, 01:45:12 PM
Fair play, he had a good game.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TSGun on December 27, 2019, 01:50:26 PM
It's probably already been stated but a respected, intelligent manager will improve Sigurdsson considerably.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 27, 2019, 02:51:33 PM
At the moment he's closing down, tackling and covering very well. (None of the things we bought him for.)

With the ball though, he is lacking. Maybe because he's low on confidence.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on December 27, 2019, 03:33:14 PM
Thought he was still rubbish again myself.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 27, 2019, 03:36:44 PM
Thought he was still rubbish again myself.



Yeah he still annoyed me and filed it under Ďbetter than usualí. We can do SO much better than him in the middle of the park or playing as a 10.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jamokachi on December 27, 2019, 03:39:39 PM
Nah, you're being cranks lads, he had a good game.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 27, 2019, 03:41:09 PM
Nah, you're being cranks lads, he had a good game.

He was fine. Better than usual I reckon.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on December 27, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
Yeah he still annoyed me and filed it under Ďbetter than usualí. We can do SO much better than him in the middle of the park or playing as a 10.

Yep. Better than usual but still miles off it.

Does nothing with the ball. Been enjoying Delph though. Think Carlo will love him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Escla on December 27, 2019, 04:06:53 PM
Improved open play but set piece delivery meh.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 27, 2019, 04:19:53 PM
Yep. Better than usual but still miles off it.

Does nothing with the ball. Been enjoying Delph though. Think Carlo will love him.
Sure you called him a joke of a signing a few weeks ago?


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 27, 2019, 04:23:26 PM
Improved open play but set piece delivery meh.
Corners yes, but a couple of the free kick deliveries he put in were top draw. Shouldíve scored twice from those.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on December 27, 2019, 04:26:52 PM
Sure you called him a joke of a signing a few weeks ago?


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on December 27, 2019, 05:22:29 PM
Nothing spectacular but a good honest game from Gylfi. Could be a good idea to give him a role a little further back, give him a chance to get on the ball more and build up his confidence. Once the busy festive period of games is over, Ancelotti can look at giving him a role higher up the pitch.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on December 27, 2019, 05:57:55 PM
He's still not good enough and in an ideal world wouldn't be anywhere near the team but give him his due yesterday he was okay.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 27, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Puts in a good free kick, closes down well. He did both if those things tbh.

Did feel like he was on the ball more than usual but Bernard put him to shame creatively. Reckon he's lost a yard myself as well, not that he had much to begin with.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Toddacelli on December 27, 2019, 06:56:35 PM
My fear was he'd score another worldy and become undroppable again.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 27, 2019, 07:42:16 PM
Yep. Better than usual but still miles off it.

Does nothing with the ball. Been enjoying Delph though. Think Carlo will love him.

I think most know I bash Gylfi every chance I get but he was very good yesterday in that deep-lying role. Smart passing, good on defense, and literally made the goal-scoring play happen.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 27, 2019, 07:43:45 PM
Nothing spectacular but a good honest game from Gylfi. Could be a good idea to give him a role a little further back, give him a chance to get on the ball more and build up his confidence. Once the busy festive period of games is over, Ancelotti can look at giving him a role higher up the pitch.

No, see, that would be a mistake. He shouldn't be anywhere near the 4 primary attacking positions.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 28, 2019, 11:39:10 PM
Credit where it's due, again.

70 touches
2 shots (0 on target)
2 key passes
49 passes / 86% completion / 2 accurate crosses / 3 accurate long balls
4 tackles
3 clearances

Keep it up Gylfi.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2019, 11:41:35 PM
70 touches seems an amazing stat. Didnít think he had it in him
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: howard1334 on December 28, 2019, 11:43:16 PM
Against weaker opposition, he should start at cm.  Otherwise, he should remain on the bench.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Silas on December 28, 2019, 11:43:42 PM
He was very good today again. He's not the future for us but happy to see him feature for a season while Ancelotti transforms us
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Fynci on December 28, 2019, 11:44:33 PM
With stats like that he wonít be seeing the bench for a while.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 28, 2019, 11:45:31 PM
70 touches seems an amazing stat. Didnít think he had it in him

Had 80 just 48 hours ago.

150 in 2 games might be more than his previous 5 games at minimum.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 29, 2019, 12:57:13 AM
Had 80 just 48 hours ago.

150 in 2 games might be more than his previous 5 games at minimum.

I actually saw 70 on someoneís post saying heíd done well over the 2 games and just, because itís him, assumed it was combined originally
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on December 29, 2019, 01:00:11 AM
Against weaker opposition, he should start at cm.  Otherwise, he should remain on the bench.

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Who would you rather have over him in the current squad?

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 29, 2019, 08:48:33 PM
Hes been really good in the last couple of games and deserves some credit. Had his beak everywhere and involved all over the shop as we ve all been wanting.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 29, 2019, 08:55:07 PM
Who would you rather have over him in the current squad?

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Probably just need an additional midfielder against City.

Preferably a 12th man.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 29, 2019, 09:21:19 PM
Has he created a chance from open play yet or nah
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 29, 2019, 09:23:34 PM
Has he created a chance from open play yet or nah

Just 1 vs Newcastle; the other 5 were set pieces (last 2 games).
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 29, 2019, 10:52:25 PM
Just 1 vs Newcastle; the other 5 were set pieces (last 2 games).

Disgusting
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 29, 2019, 11:16:21 PM
Disgusting

tbf I'm thinking he's not really being asked to create open play chances since he's basically playing as an 8 or sometimes 6. His (supposed) set piece prowess is the only reason he's even getting those.

I can't believe I'm defending Gylfi 😂
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2019, 12:03:28 AM
tbf I'm thinking he's not really being asked to create open play chances since he's basically playing as an 8 or sometimes 6. His (supposed) set piece prowess is the only reason he's even getting those.

I can't believe I'm defending Gylfi 😂

Even 8s and 6s should be creating chances from open play (to a lesser extent obviously).
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 30, 2019, 12:29:47 AM
Even 8s and 6s should be creating chances from open play (to a lesser extent obviously).

I feel like ours never do, or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on December 30, 2019, 03:02:09 AM
According to Squawka he's 10th in the league for chances created. Not sure how they define that and I imagine a few will be set pieces but it's still quite suprising.

https://www.squawka.com/en/news/most-chances-created-premier-league-2019-2020 (https://www.squawka.com/en/news/most-chances-created-premier-league-2019-2020)
Most chances created: Premier League 2019/20
Players with the same amount of chances created are separated by minutes played.

1. Kevin De Bruyne: 70 chances created (1472 minutes)
2. Emiliano Buendia: 57 chances created (1504 minutes)
3. Trent Alexander-Arnold: 55 chances created (1573 minutes)
4. Jack Grealish: 49 chances created (1614 minutes)
5. James Maddison: 46 chances created (1606 minutes)
6. Lucas Digne: 45 chances created (1620 minutes)
7. Pascal Gross: 45 chances created (1244 minutes)
8. Jo„o Moutinho: 43 chances created (1620 minutes)
9. Gerard Deulofeu: 35 chances (1469 minutes)
10. Gylfi Sigurdsson: 35 chances (1419 minutes)

(Correct as of Gameweek 19 Ė 29/12/2019 at 13:30)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2019, 03:27:07 AM
They will almost all be set piece, as they always are.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 30, 2019, 03:30:36 AM
According to Squawka he's 10th in the league for chances created. Not sure how they define that and I imagine a few will be set pieces but it's still quite suprising.

https://www.squawka.com/en/news/most-chances-created-premier-league-2019-2020 (https://www.squawka.com/en/news/most-chances-created-premier-league-2019-2020)
Most chances created: Premier League 2019/20
Players with the same amount of chances created are separated by minutes played.

1. Kevin De Bruyne: 70 chances created (1472 minutes)
2. Emiliano Buendia: 57 chances created (1504 minutes)
3. Trent Alexander-Arnold: 55 chances created (1573 minutes)
4. Jack Grealish: 49 chances created (1614 minutes)
5. James Maddison: 46 chances created (1606 minutes)
6. Lucas Digne: 45 chances created (1620 minutes)
7. Pascal Gross: 45 chances created (1244 minutes)
8. Jo„o Moutinho: 43 chances created (1620 minutes)
9. Gerard Deulofeu: 35 chances (1469 minutes)
10. Gylfi Sigurdsson: 35 chances (1419 minutes)

(Correct as of Gameweek 19 Ė 29/12/2019 at 13:30)

Digne's is spot on at 45 but I have Gylfi at only 27-28. Both of them must include set piece chances because they take them all and quite frankly haven't created much from open play.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on December 30, 2019, 03:33:50 AM
Must have been a boost from the past couple of games.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jamokachi on December 30, 2019, 03:41:14 AM
Disgusting

Assisted the assister against Burnley.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 30, 2019, 03:44:33 AM
From open play, our chance creation leaders are almost certainly Richarlison, Sidibe & Iwobi (on a per game basis, not total).
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on December 30, 2019, 03:52:03 AM
They will almost all be set piece, as they always are.
Sig 14 of the 35 are from open play
Digne 22 of the 45 are from open play
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2019, 04:10:02 AM
According to Squawka he's 10th in the league for chances created. Not sure how they define that and I imagine a few will be set pieces but it's still quite suprising.

https://www.squawka.com/en/news/most-chances-created-premier-league-2019-2020 (https://www.squawka.com/en/news/most-chances-created-premier-league-2019-2020)
Most chances created: Premier League 2019/20
Players with the same amount of chances created are separated by minutes played.

1. Kevin De Bruyne: 70 chances created (1472 minutes)
2. Emiliano Buendia: 57 chances created (1504 minutes)
3. Trent Alexander-Arnold: 55 chances created (1573 minutes)
4. Jack Grealish: 49 chances created (1614 minutes)
5. James Maddison: 46 chances created (1606 minutes)
6. Lucas Digne: 45 chances created (1620 minutes)
7. Pascal Gross: 45 chances created (1244 minutes)
8. Jo„o Moutinho: 43 chances created (1620 minutes)
9. Gerard Deulofeu: 35 chances (1469 minutes)
10. Gylfi Sigurdsson: 35 chances (1419 minutes)

(Correct as of Gameweek 19 Ė 29/12/2019 at 13:30)
So even when playing poorly hes still up there.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2019, 04:22:52 PM
Non set piece chances created from the non Big 6 sides

https://twitter.com/Other14The/status/1211574810020589570?s=19

Sigurdsson not in the top 20 odd. Add in the Big 6 and he'll be closer to 40th than he will be the top 10 in the league. Absolute garbage.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on December 30, 2019, 04:48:30 PM
They will almost all be set piece, as they always are.
And as we all know they don't count!!

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2019, 04:56:29 PM
And as we all know they don't count!!

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Takes a decent free kick and corner. If you can't find someone to do that for less than 45m then you want shooting.

imagine how much better it would be watching Everton with a player that creates chances for the strikers to score when we're actually playing, not just balls pumped into the box from set pieces. Imagine it seriously and tell me you are happy with our creative force being closer to 40th than 1st AGAIN for creating chances for his strikers while the ball is rolling.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Brownie on December 30, 2019, 05:25:23 PM
Could be worse - we could have Jessie Lingard
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: van der Meyde on December 30, 2019, 05:27:39 PM
And as we all know they don't count!!

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Of course they count.

We've got a left back (or two) who produce just as much from set pieces as he does though.

There comes a point where more players being able to do it isn't necessarily better. We might not be at it yet, but worth considering I think.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cozzie on December 30, 2019, 05:33:25 PM
Non set piece chances created from the non Big 6 sides

https://twitter.com/Other14The/status/1211574810020589570?s=19

Sigurdsson not in the top 20 odd. Add in the Big 6 and he'll be closer to 40th than he will be the top 10 in the league. Absolute garbage.

Also maybe adds a bit of substance that both Grealish and Buendia would make excellent signings.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2019, 05:39:52 PM
Takes a decent free kick and corner. If you can't find someone to do that for less than 45m then you want shooting.

imagine how much better it would be watching Everton with a player that creates chances for the strikers to score when we're actually playing, not just balls pumped into the box from set pieces. Imagine it seriously and tell me you are happy with our creative force being closer to 40th than 1st AGAIN for creating chances for his strikers while the ball is rolling.
Who you reckon we should  buy then Brap ?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2019, 05:42:04 PM
Also maybe adds a bit of substance that both Grealish and Buendia would make excellent signings.

Lots to consider of course like neither of them are anywhere near Sig in terms of pressing and working hard, but we have struggled to open teams with the ball for years and Sig was supposed to be the man to help unpick locks, that has failed terribly despite him working hard in a few different positions.

If Carlo wants to stick with playing a 10 then either of them would be great without any defensive duties. Personally reckon we have the answer in Iwobi/Bernard already at the club, and we'd be better off buying athletic midfielders who can pass the ball a bit.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2019, 05:43:30 PM
Got a potentially great 10 in Wobes there but we wont see it this season.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2019, 05:45:16 PM
Who you reckon we should  buy then Brap ?

See my response to Cozzie, reckon we have two good players, maybe 3 or 4 if Davies or Gordon get a go on the ten who can play there.

For me we need those other midfield positions, a replacement for Schneiderlin, a replacement for Barkley, a replacement for Arteta - players who can pass and move!
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2019, 05:48:23 PM
Lots to consider of course like neither of them are anywhere near Sig in terms of pressing and working hard, but we have struggled to open teams with the ball for years and Sig was supposed to be the man to help unpick locks, that has failed terribly despite him working hard in a few different positions.

If Carlo wants to stick with playing a 10 then either of them would be great without any defensive duties. Personally reckon we have the answer in Iwobi/Bernard already at the club, and we'd be better off buying athletic midfielders who can pass the ball a bit.
Thing is people keep mentioning Iwobi and Bernard but neither are exactly assist kings or goal threats are they ?

Of the two I'd take Bernard there over Iwobi as he simply loses the ball too much but I think we d need to go external to improve on the position.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2019, 05:49:57 PM
Our best, most fluid performance of the season came against west ham with Iwobi and Bernard both playing as floating tens.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cozzie on December 30, 2019, 05:59:10 PM
Our best, most fluid performance of the season came against west ham with Iwobi and Bernard both playing as floating tens.

This.

Keep Iwobi central and we will be better off for it.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: mikey_blue on December 30, 2019, 06:00:05 PM
Thing is people keep mentioning Iwobi and Bernard but neither are exactly assist kings or goal threats are they ?

Of the two I'd take Bernard there over Iwobi as he simply loses the ball too much but I think we d need to go external to improve on the position.

Too be fair to Iwobi, he's only really played one game as a 10, and he was our best player.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2019, 06:00:06 PM
Thing is people keep mentioning Iwobi and Bernard but neither are exactly assist kings or goal threats are they ?

Of the two I'd take Bernard there over Iwobi as he simply loses the ball too much but I think we d need to go external to improve on the position.

It's absolutely fair, neither have the end product to back it up and data stuff only goes so far in making those arguments doesn't it really.

What I will say is that Bernard in the ten-ish v Burnley saw 3 key passes, Iwobi in the 10 v West ham saw 2, neither take dead balls so those are open play chances created.

Need to see what they can do under Carlo in my opinion. Both have the ability to be quality 10s, and Iwobi for me with a good double pivot around him could be a fantastic ball progressing midfielder who finds a pass... The barkley replacement.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on December 30, 2019, 06:03:13 PM
Not a huge fan of Sig and was against buying him but some of the negativity over him is over the top. Yes he has been awful this year but its not like he's the only one. I'd like to see what Carlo can do with him first. Already seeing some promising signs and maybe a change of system and position will get him firing again.
He is a very talented player. He was one of our better creative players last year, even if some don't want to admit it. He had 40 non-set piece key passes last year, which was equal to Digne and Bernard, with the next being Coleman with 23. Coincidentally Iwobi also had 40 last year. He had 9 key passes from through balls which was only bettered by Jorginho, Hazard and Salah. So if you can get him on the ball he is capable of creating. His main problem this year is that he just couldn't get on the ball enough to actually do something with it.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2019, 06:09:28 PM
That's been his main problem is whole career. It's why it never worked at Tottenham, and they made the correct decision to move him on despite an impressive highlight reel.

He is an efficient player, who with limited touches will try things.

In my opinion what you want is an effective player, who makes things happen again and again and makes a meaningful difference to the game he is playing.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2019, 06:11:41 PM
His two best games this season have been under ancelotti where he hasn't been the number ten, supposed main creator
Maybe that's the key to him being utilised and us getting more creativity

Can't be coincidence the amount of chances and shots we have had in them two games
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2019, 06:13:29 PM
The most painful thing about the likes of sigurdsson, Keane, Tosan and bolasie is imagine if weíd got them right. If weíd bought a 45m play maker who was now worth 60 or 70. A 30m centre half who was now worth 50 (that would be pretty much breaking even given his contract situation at Burnley) a 30m striker that was now worth 50 and a 25m winger worth 40 plus today. If weíd made good signings instead of really poor 1s weíd be right up the top of the league
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: mikey_blue on December 30, 2019, 06:18:21 PM
The most painful thing about the likes of sigurdsson, Keane, Tosan and bolasie is imagine if weíd got them right. If weíd bought a 45m play maker who was now worth 60 or 70. A 30m centre half who was now worth 50 (that would be pretty much breaking even given his contract situation at Burnley) a 30m striker that was now worth 50 and a 25m winger worth 40 plus today. If weíd made good signings instead of really poor 1s weíd be right up the top of the league

We should of offered to pay for Messi's hormone therapy and our right wing situation would of been sorted too.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: van der Meyde on December 30, 2019, 06:55:59 PM
Too be fair to Iwobi, he's only really played one game as a 10, and he was our best player.
To be fair to both Bernard and Iwobi (and, well, most of the younger players in our squad), if the manager was setting us up in a way that was getting the most out of our squad, he wouldn't have got sacked.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2019, 07:13:04 PM
His two best games this season have been under ancelotti where he hasn't been the number ten, supposed main creator
Maybe that's the key to him being utilised and us getting more creativity

Can't be coincidence the amount of chances and shots we have had in them two games

Moving him out the front line helps as he takes up horrible positions during build up, so without him standing on DCL's toes and getting them both marked there's more space for more aware intelligent players who want the ball. He can still work hard and play passes down the line from deeper.

On the break I'd still play him if we must, as you need to be efficient in those games and he is very good at times runs into the box on the break.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 30, 2019, 09:12:25 PM
And as we all know they don't count!!

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The reason most people discount them is because it unfairly skews toward the 1-2 guys who take them all. Open play obviously demonstrates vision, a variety of passing skills, and excellent ability to execute.

Iwobi, for example, averages about 1 quality chance created from open play per game. If he didn't lose the ball or pass it to an opponent half the time his numbers would be league-leading.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on December 31, 2019, 06:30:31 PM
Takes a decent free kick and corner. If you can't find someone to do that for less than 45m then you want shooting.

imagine how much better it would be watching Everton with a player that creates chances for the strikers to score when we're actually playing, not just balls pumped into the box from set pieces. Imagine it seriously and tell me you are happy with our creative force being closer to 40th than 1st AGAIN for creating chances for his strikers while the ball is rolling.

Im not saying it wouldnt be better, but people are so quick to discount what he does contribute. You go on about 'If you can't find someone to do that for less than 45m then you want shooting', in which case there are a lot of people that do want shooting as Sig is in the top lot for chance created and others arent, so it proves there is more to it than what you think. Whether its from open play or not, hes still having a big impact on our team with regards to chances created, im really open to replacing him with someone that contributes more and creates more chances but I dont think we have it atm
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on December 31, 2019, 06:34:28 PM
Is in the top ten prem players for chances created in the last decade. Baines also in that top 10.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 31, 2019, 11:04:11 PM
Found this on the Twitter, not sure how accurate it is, but it's open play chances created (and xA) for 2019/20 so far.

(https://i.ibb.co/JkVnJ5G/ENHs-AQFXs-AEs-CWj.png)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on December 31, 2019, 11:05:30 PM
Found this on the Twitter, not sure how accurate it is, but it's open play chances created (and xA) for 2019/20 so far.

(https://i.ibb.co/JkVnJ5G/ENHs-AQFXs-AEs-CWj.png)
Get Gerry back when they're relegated

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: dazfrancis on December 31, 2019, 11:10:38 PM
That table shows you just how poor we've been overall as a team really.

Only1 player in the top 25 and that player in 19th place is poor for the quality we have
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on December 31, 2019, 11:13:22 PM
Get Gerry back when they're relegated

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on December 31, 2019, 11:17:55 PM
Fuck Gerry. Aim a bit higher now that we have Ancelotti working with Brands. Much bigger pull than our previous managers.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KingdingalingNL on December 31, 2019, 11:19:57 PM
Found this on the Twitter, not sure how accurate it is, but it's open play chances created (and xA) for 2019/20 so far.

(https://i.ibb.co/JkVnJ5G/ENHs-AQFXs-AEs-CWj.png)

Imagine having Sidibe and Traore on our right hand side!!! Would love to get Traore  starting to show why everybody rated him so much when he was younger at Barcelona. (To be honest though he might need a drug test first! Seen a photo of him 3 years ago and now side by side and he is double the size he was)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 31, 2019, 11:20:23 PM
Fuck Gerry. Aim a bit higher now that we have Ancelotti working with Brands. Much bigger pull than our previous managers.

Aw, donít say that, bro, he loved us  :hug:
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 31, 2019, 11:20:58 PM
That table shows you just how poor we've been overall as a team really.

Only1 player in the top 25 and that player in 19th place is poor for the quality we have

That's what it looks like when you have 18 goals from open play. :tongue:

If there's a positive, 7 of that 18 have come since Silva's sacking.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on December 31, 2019, 11:22:08 PM
Aw, donít say that, bro, he loved us  :hug:

Sound, but I want us to be aiming higher than someone who comes off the bench for a soon to be relegated Watford. I love us, but I don't think I should be getting a game.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 31, 2019, 11:22:18 PM
Imagine having Sidibe and Traore on our right hand side!!! Would love to get Traore  starting to show why everybody rated him so much when he was younger at Barcelona. (To be honest though he might need a drug test first! Seen a photo of him 3 years ago and now side by side and he is double the size he was)

Heís probably doing no more PEDís than the Liverpool squad, he just has crazy, mesomorphic genetics.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on December 31, 2019, 11:22:52 PM
Sound, but I want us to be aiming higher than someone who comes off the bench for a soon to be relegated Watford. I love us, but I don't think I should be getting a game.

I'd definitely have you alongside Yerry mate
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 31, 2019, 11:23:16 PM
Sound, but I want us to be aiming higher than someone who comes off the bench for a soon to be relegated Watford. I love us, but I don't think I should be getting a game.

What are your open play chance creation stats like?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on December 31, 2019, 11:23:16 PM
I'd definitely have you alongside Yerry mate

Not on the pitch for Everton like. x
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on December 31, 2019, 11:25:41 PM
What are your open play chance creation stats like?

Woeful. And I'm too opinionated for the dressing room. And I smoke, so my stamina's not what it should be. But yeah, appreciate the vote of confidence Samuel ;)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on December 31, 2019, 11:26:52 PM
Woeful. And I'm too opinionated for the dressing room. And I smoke, so my stamina's not what it should be. But yeah, appreciate the vote of confidence Samuel ;)

Gazza smoked, bro, and he was pretty creative
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 31, 2019, 11:29:26 PM
Fuck Gerry. Aim a bit higher now that we have Ancelotti working with Brands. Much bigger pull than our previous managers.


WANT
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on January 01, 2020, 12:21:25 AM

WANT
No you ve been a bad boy this year
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 01, 2020, 12:26:11 AM
No you ve been a bad boy this yead

Well that's just fucking crap then. >:(
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on January 01, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
Found this on the Twitter, not sure how accurate it is, but it's open play chances created (and xA) for 2019/20 so far.

(https://i.ibb.co/JkVnJ5G/ENHs-AQFXs-AEs-CWj.png)

It's accurate, I'd hang my hat on anything Riley does really, even though he is a huge sourpuss and is almost always v down on Everton, he is an Everton fan and well respected in the analytics community.

It's actually embarrassing to me that we spent that money on a player who year after year gets nowhere near this list. waste of money.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 01, 2020, 07:27:23 PM
It's accurate, I'd hang my hat on anything Riley does really, even though he is a huge sourpuss and is almost always v down on Everton, he is an Everton fan and well respected in the analytics community.

It's actually embarrassing to me that we spent that money on a player who year after year gets nowhere near this list. waste of money.

Did you notice my love interest, Emi, up there at 9th? 😍
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2020, 02:48:55 AM
*whistles*
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 02, 2020, 02:52:05 AM
So bored with this guy. Meaningful statistical stuff aside, one of my biggest issues with this chump is that heís got to be the most boring 10 to watch in the league.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on January 02, 2020, 02:55:38 AM
So bored with this guy. Meaningful statistical stuff aside, one of my biggest issues with this chump is that he's got to be the most boring 10 to watch in the league.
Especially when he's not playing as a 10 at the moment

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2020, 03:00:10 AM
Did you notice my love interest, Emi, up there at 9th? 😍

From: @blades_analytics on twitter

Buendia is absolutely everything at Norwich. Already today 6 tackles, 3/3 dribbles, 3 chances created one of them the assist. 95.5% pass accuracy and work rate to go with the quality.

The man is a machine.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 02, 2020, 03:06:50 AM
From: @blades_analytics on twitter

Buendia is absolutely everything at Norwich. Already today 6 tackles, 3/3 dribbles, 3 chances created one of them the assist. 95.5% pass accuracy and work rate to go with the quality.

The man is a machine.

Probably 1/3 the cost of my other love interest, Neres, too.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2020, 03:09:53 AM
Probably 1/3 the cost of my other love interest, Neres, too.

We can have Neres or Bergwijn on the right and Emi in the ten it's sound
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 02, 2020, 03:10:51 AM
We can have Neres or Bergwijn on the right and Emi in the ten it's sound

now you're just tickling my bollocks, you big tease you
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 02, 2020, 03:42:41 AM
Especially when he's not playing as a 10 at the moment

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TrevorSteven on January 02, 2020, 02:21:14 PM
He failed at Tottenham and ofcourse it is a reason for that. He is a star for clubs which is not supposed to dominate games. But he is a an evertonian from his childhood days, he loves playing for Everton, he is giving it all at least.

But I guess we all feel its pretty obvious that we need a real number 10 in this team. If we do not buy anything during january-window my guess is that Bernard gonna occupy that place.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2020, 03:02:58 PM
https://twitter.com/simonjv91/status/1212491409653223424
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2020, 09:53:06 PM
Yes, but where will the goal threat come from if we drop him?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 02, 2020, 10:00:46 PM
Yes, but where will the goal threat come from if we drop him?

What's funny here is that I have no idea if you're being cheeky or not.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: howard1334 on January 02, 2020, 10:23:16 PM
What's funny here is that I have no idea if you're being cheeky or not.
He for sure is.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2020, 10:32:09 PM
Yes, but where will the goal threat come from if we drop him?

Haha, indeed.

I think we need a good CB this January as a priority, so that Holgate can go back into CM and save us from having Sigurdsson in there; Lots of huff and puff from him yesterday, but not enough passing range on display (apart from his excellent link up with Coleman for our most eye catching moment in the first half) and he also doesnít have the legs or tackling ability of Holgate, either.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kerryblue boy on February 02, 2020, 04:28:56 PM
Thought he was very good yesterday great set plays passed well and got on the ball much more than before
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on February 02, 2020, 04:32:05 PM
Thought he was very good yesterday great set plays passed well and got on the ball much more than before

He's largely been good since Ancelotti's took over, seems to be adapting to the new system and manager well.

Not sure we should keep him for next season, but credit where it's due he's looking like he can play in a midfield two.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on February 02, 2020, 04:34:07 PM
Five year contract extension imo
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on February 02, 2020, 04:38:35 PM
He's largely been good since Ancelotti's took over, seems to be adapting to the new system and manager well.

Not sure we should keep him for next season, but credit where it's due he's looking like he can play in a midfield two.
He played well imo and Carlo seems to be getting a lot more out of him which isnt saying a lot I know.

Some really unbalanced views on here about him, with people often not being very forthcoming with praise when its deserved.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 02, 2020, 04:50:43 PM
Heís not largely been good. Heís largely contributed to games which isnít the same as being good. He just hasnít been missing as much
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on February 02, 2020, 06:05:32 PM
Yeh donít get why people feel the need to moan that he isnít being praised for putting in a shift. Same with Schneiderlin.

Both have coasted along contributing little consistency and effort for a hell of a long time. A few games of decent graft doesnít reverse an underlying trend.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Silas on February 02, 2020, 06:20:32 PM
He's doing quite well in essentially a totally different position and he's arguably been the best there out of our current options but that is very much damning with faint praise. He's a good player who will be part of this and next season but he's not part of our future
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on February 02, 2020, 06:29:03 PM
Yeh donít get why people feel the need to moan that he isnít being praised for putting in a shift. Same with Schneiderlin.

Both have coasted along contributing little consistency and effort for a hell of a long time. A few games of decent graft doesnít reverse an underlying trend.
I think the point is it's very unbalanced- smash him for mistake/poor game then nothing when he plays well or the classic 'hes put in a shift it's to be expected'.

The geezer cant catch a break on here and is damned if he does, damned if he doesnt, while others get lauded for doing naff all.


Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on February 02, 2020, 06:29:59 PM
He's doing quite well in essentially a totally different position and he's arguably been the best there out of our current options but that is very much damning with faint praise. He's a good player who will be part of this and next season but he's not part of our future
Had to change a lot of my post as it contained a lot of this. Spot on
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on February 02, 2020, 08:03:20 PM
Still been pretty shit imo. Just put a couple of decent crosses in yesterday, for once.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on February 02, 2020, 08:18:13 PM
He was ok.

Donít see why people should go out of their way to praise him.

He played ok. Thatís it.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 02, 2020, 08:31:19 PM
Still been pretty shit imo. Just put a couple of decent crosses in yesterday, for once.

Yeah yeah, me & my stats 😅

The Kean thread said it perfectly; we all have our biases about defending who we like, slagging who we don't. I don't rate Gylfi, I'd like him to shuffle along as soon as possible, but he had a fine game yesterday.

90% passing (on 40 total, best on team)
19/23 forward passes
12/13 attacking third passes
2 chances / 1 big chance created
1 assist
2 tackles / 2 interceptions
Only turned the ball over 2x
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on February 02, 2020, 08:36:33 PM
Yeah yeah, me & my stats 😅

The Kean thread said it perfectly; we all have our biases about defending who we like, slagging who we don't. I don't rate Gylfi, I'd like him to shuffle along as soon as possible, but he had a fine game yesterday.

90% passing (on 40 total, best on team)
19/23 forward passes
12/13 attacking third passes
2 chances / 1 big chance created
1 assist
2 tackles / 2 interceptions
Only turned the ball over 2x

Stats are a part of the picture, but in isolation, without context, don't illustrate anything.

I thought we were dominated in midfield yesterday. He did put some good deliveries in, but I thought Watford had much the better of the midfield.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 02, 2020, 08:41:51 PM
Stats are a part of the picture, but in isolation, without context, don't illustrate anything.

I thought we were dominated in midfield yesterday. He did put some good deliveries in, but I thought Watford had much the better of the midfield.

No doubt. There's no metric to measure speed lol
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on February 02, 2020, 08:46:46 PM
I think he's a good player and enjoy that several on here are obsessed with him and knocking him at any opportunity. That said I thought he was poor yesterday. We were overran in midfield as bd said and he was not open to passes from central defence. He wasn't hiding but he wasn't available and often passed back but didn't particularly make any effort to move somewhere useful next.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on February 02, 2020, 08:48:22 PM
No doubt. There's no metric to measure speed lol

I'm not discrediting the stats or the importance of stats. I just think Gylfi is exactly the sort of player who be 'overpraised' by purely statistical analysis, but then you watch the game and he's actually played a very safe, laboured, conservative game taking little/no responsibility.

He put some good deliveries in yesterday. Well done to him. Seems like a nice fella and all that. Hope we offload him in the summer.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 02, 2020, 08:48:53 PM
Somebody has to line up as a centre mid.  For now, I am fine with Sigurdsson doing it.  Fuck, use Iwobi there.  It's an odd fit, but there's no way he'll suck as badly as Delph (sent off, dogged assist for the 2nd Watford goal).
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on February 02, 2020, 09:44:03 PM
Somebody has to line up as a centre mid.  For now, I am fine with Sigurdsson doing it.  Fuck, use Iwobi there.  It's an odd fit, but there's no way he'll suck as badly as Delph (sent off, dogged assist for the 2nd Watford goal).
Iwobi would be a car crash imo- hes so easily bypassed and has no idea of defensive positional mid play.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on February 02, 2020, 09:59:27 PM
If we're going 442, there really isn't anywhere for Iwobi to be in the team other than a sub or squad member. Shame as I like him. Can't wait for Sig to be sold though.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 02, 2020, 10:09:39 PM
If we're going 442, there really isn't anywhere for Iwobi to be in the team other than a sub or squad member. Shame as I like him. Can't wait for Sig to be sold though.
It's a worry as we've stockpiled a number of average players that were going to struggle to shift. I was happy when we got Sig, but it's clear something isn't working there. Delph I don't think it's anything other than a squad player. Davies has a massive 4/5 months otherwise he's gone. Iwobi, imo, poor player, no need for him at all. All in all we've got a number of players that we'll be lucky to shift, with the exception of Davies who'll probably have offers from the championship? Can't think we'd take that big a hit letting Sig or Iwobi by go out on loan. We might be able to recoup something like 15/20 for Iwobi if we flipped him quick in the summer to someone like West Ham?

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 02, 2020, 10:15:51 PM
Mind, I am not saying it would work.  I just don't see the harm in trying it, at this point.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 02, 2020, 10:39:41 PM
It's a worry as we've stockpiled a number of average players that were going to struggle to shift. I was happy when we got Sig, but it's clear something isn't working there. Delph I don't think it's anything other than a squad player. Davies has a massive 4/5 months otherwise he's gone. Iwobi, imo, poor player, no need for him at all. All in all we've got a number of players that we'll be lucky to shift, with the exception of Davies who'll probably have offers from the championship? Can't think we'd take that big a hit letting Sig or Iwobi by go out on loan. We might be able to recoup something like 15/20 for Iwobi if we flipped him quick in the summer to someone like West Ham?

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Sucks we paid 52m for Iwobi don't it?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on February 02, 2020, 11:48:18 PM
Stats are a part of the picture, but in isolation, without context, don't illustrate anything.

I thought we were dominated in midfield yesterday. He did put some good deliveries in, but I thought Watford had much the better of the midfield.
We were dominated in midfield but Watford had an extra man in there. When Chalobah went off I thought we controlled the midfield.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on February 03, 2020, 12:06:34 AM
Sigurdsson shows up v poorly on pretty much all stats other than really really basic ones like goals / assists over 5 years or whatever.

Thought he was poor tbh, midfield was overran completely, but yes he can put a good set piece in still.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on February 03, 2020, 12:07:38 AM
If we're going 442, there really isn't anywhere for Iwobi to be in the team other than a sub or squad member. Shame as I like him. Can't wait for Sig to be sold though.

Bernards inverted lw role but he is going to need time
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 03, 2020, 12:36:29 AM
Sucks we paid 52m for Iwobi don't it?
5.2 would've been too much

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 03, 2020, 12:37:29 AM
Bernards inverted lw role but he is going to need time
Being serious though, do you think he'd actually be better than Bernard at it?

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 03, 2020, 12:45:43 AM
5.2 would've been too much

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 03, 2020, 12:51:28 AM
More a cheeky comment on how the fee we paid goes up 10m every 2 mos. lol
Yeah, I got it, but my comment still stands!!

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 03, 2020, 12:56:10 AM
Yeah, I got it, but my comment still stands!!

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on February 03, 2020, 01:47:26 AM
Sent a few quick diagonals over to Digne, really good forward passes that instantly put us in a very dangerous position.

He pinged it around nicely in general and had a very effective game.

I think even if certain players put in an absolute worldy of a performance people would still say they were shite or at best average as their opinion isn't based on that game, but clouded by previous performances.

It's a shame we've become one of those clubs that basically jumps on players backs at every opportunity and can't then admit it when someone we don't rate has a good game.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 03, 2020, 02:33:26 AM
Sent a few quick diagonals over to Digne, really good forward passes that instantly put us in a very dangerous position.

He pinged it around nicely in general and had a very effective game.

I think even if certain players put in an absolute worldy of a performance people would still say they were shite or at best average as their opinion isn't based on that game, but clouded by previous performances.

It's a shame we've become one of those clubs that basically jumps on players backs at every opportunity and can't then admit it when someone we don't rate has a good game.

so so right. except Pickford, he's crap  ;)

we experience a very similar thing here. the Yankees have a stud named Giancarlo Stanton, and because of what he cost, fans were at the edge of their seat ready to boo him the very first time he struck out. Meanwhile the guy is a monster hitter and one of the best in the game.

Fans...whatcha gonna do. we're all idiots.

edit: game, not came. That's something way way different ;D
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kerryblue boy on February 03, 2020, 02:50:21 AM
Sigurdsson shows up v poorly on pretty much all stats other than really really basic ones like goals / assists over 5 years or whatever.

Thought he was poor tbh, midfield was overran completely, but yes he can put a good set piece in still.
Isnít that what he was bought for goals and assists I know itís against the grain to praise him on here but he was good yesterday stats or no stats
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on February 03, 2020, 03:00:04 AM
Seems like you canít have an opinion on a player without any sort of agenda attached to it on here.

Was he that good, like really? Played a couple of nice diagonals but thatís about it. His work off the ball is awful.

That doesnít mean I wonít give him praise when he plays well. Just means I genuinely donít think he deserves any kind of credit for putting in what I consider a bog standard midfield performance.

As brap said last week. Heads are going to explode when he get proper midfielders in
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on February 03, 2020, 03:20:11 AM
Seems like you canít have an opinion on a player without any sort of agenda attached to it on here.

Was he that good, like really? Played a couple of nice diagonals but thatís about it. His work off the ball is awful.

That doesnít mean I wonít give him praise when he plays well. Just means I genuinely donít think he deserves any kind of credit for putting in what I consider a bog standard midfield performance.

As brap said last week. Heads are going to explode when he get proper midfielders in
Cant wait  ;D
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kerryblue boy on February 03, 2020, 03:31:31 AM
Seems like you can't have an opinion on a player without any sort of agenda attached to it on here.

Was he that good, like really? Played a couple of nice diagonals but that's about it. His work off the ball is awful.

That doesn't mean I won't give him praise when he plays well. Just means I genuinely don't think he deserves any kind of credit for putting in what I consider a bog standard midfield performance.

As brap said last week. Heads are going to explode when he get proper midfielders in
I agree to an extent but he is being asked to play a completely different position now and was coming back from injury he also contributed an assist only my opinion but I thought he did well
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on February 03, 2020, 03:56:54 AM
Being serious though, do you think he'd actually be better than Bernard at it?

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I mean I really like bernard, I really really do but maybe yeah.

All I can say is maybe tho really, he's not played enough for us yet and he's still v young. I could lash some stats up but being honest it's not going to convince anyone looking at his passes into the box or progressive carries or whatever is it.

What I will say is I don't really see a future in 442, and hopefully there is room for Bernard and iwobi, specifically with iwobi as a 10 or an 8.

Also just finally, Alex iwobi is younger than jack grealish, and only one year older than richarlison. He's got a long way to go and I honestly cannot fathom why he gets the rep he gets. I can only back my own judgement on players and I'm happy to do that.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on February 03, 2020, 04:01:41 AM
Isnít that what he was bought for goals and assists I know itís against the grain to praise him on here but he was good yesterday stats or no stats

I think had he not whipped a few good set pieces in he'd be on the shitlist to he honest.

Bypassed time and again in the middle, can always rely on him to huff and puff like and he has got world class set piece delivery to be absolutely fair, but he's just not for me as a cm.

Not that we've a lot of options.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 03, 2020, 04:25:23 AM
It seems if sigurdsson puts in a 6 or 7 out of 10 performance heís classed as great because weíve had spells where heís barely touched the ball. Didnít let anyone down isnít great
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kerryblue boy on February 03, 2020, 04:28:55 AM
It seems if sigurdsson puts in a 6 or 7 out of 10 performance he's classed as great because we've had spells where he's barely touched the ball. Didn't let anyone down isn't great
No point arguing with you you had dcl written off not long ago I am only saying he had 1 good game needs to back it up Saturday
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 03, 2020, 07:46:01 AM
No point arguing with you

I made a quick edit there for you/us
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on February 03, 2020, 08:53:51 AM
I donít particularly rate him and have him in the ďmehĒ bracket of our midfielders, along with Schneiderlein, Davies and co. The difference being itís going to be almost impossible to bin him off over the summer so Iím just going to support Ancelloti in trying to salvage his Everton career.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 03, 2020, 11:01:19 AM
No point arguing with you you had dcl written off not long ago I am only saying he had 1 good game needs to back it up Saturday

My issue is more with the claim that heís been largely great (not sure if that was you who said it or not. He was okay on Saturday. Iím not sure heís ever had a great game for us though. Great moments but heís not really the type that has great games. He doesnít influence general play like that
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on February 03, 2020, 02:25:31 PM
My issue is more with the claim that heís been largely great (not sure if that was you who said it or not. He was okay on Saturday. Iím not sure heís ever had a great game for us though. Great moments but heís not really the type that has great games. He doesnít influence general play like that

No one said he'd been great, I said he'd been largely good since Ancelotti took over.

Problem is you read countless responses that can't reference one performance without mentioning his previous failings, because people can't in general look at positives in a performance because their judgement is clouded by their existing opinion

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 03, 2020, 05:14:27 PM
No one said he'd been great, I said he'd been largely good since Ancelotti took over.

Problem is you read countless responses that can't reference one performance without mentioning his previous failings, because people can't in general look at positives in a performance because their judgement is clouded by their existing opinion



Heís not been largely good either. Heís been largely average and slipped below even that at times. Itís not me that canít help referencing pervious performances itís them that have lowered the bar when it comes to rating him
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on February 03, 2020, 05:34:39 PM
 
Heís not been largely good either. Heís been largely average and slipped below even that at times. Itís not me that canít help referencing pervious performances itís them that have lowered the bar when it comes to rating him

Depends on your definition of 'good'.  Take Bernard Vs Newcastle, has been as 'good' as that? No, that was an excellent performance.

Has he been involved in good build up play, kept possession well and assisted against Watford? Yes.  So apart from a couple of games he's adapted well to playing further back and put on some good performances, not exceptional, not outstanding, but 'good'.

His stats Vs Watford back up that at least with the ball he was very effective and played reasonably well. So yeah he's been largely 'good' IMO
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on February 03, 2020, 06:30:30 PM
Heís not been largely good either. Heís been largely average and slipped below even that at times. Itís not me that canít help referencing pervious performances itís them that have lowered the bar when it comes to rating him
He's been wank most of the season but has improved under Ancelotti. Which games do you think he's played badly in? Personally I would only say Man City. He played well against Newcastle, Brighton and Watford and was one of our best players against Burnley. I don't think he's the solution for our midfield going forward but he's done alright in his new position so far.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 03, 2020, 06:37:55 PM
Ive always liked Sig and think he does get a raw deal sometimes, but you cant argue the fact that he hasnt been at his best. Hes kinda got more of a free pass from me because hes contributed in terms of set play and goals, but with the goals nonexistent this season hes been found more wanting. If he managed to get back to scoring more regularly, with the levels of performance hes put in under Carlo I think hes still a very good player and would deserve to be in our starting 11 more often than not
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 03, 2020, 07:28:38 PM
Is this the longest he's ever gone without scoring a worldy?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on February 03, 2020, 07:33:44 PM
Doubled his assist tally for the season in one match.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 03, 2020, 07:43:55 PM
He's been wank most of the season but has improved under Ancelotti. Which games do you think he's played badly in? Personally I would only say Man City. He played well against Newcastle, Brighton and Watford and was one of our best players against Burnley. I don't think he's the solution for our midfield going forward but he's done alright in his new position so far.

I donít think heís been poor in any games recently (off the top of my head) but heís just been a plodding 6 to 7 in them. Which is okay if thereís a few great games mixed in but without that heís just okay. Heís not a hindrance recently but I donít think that passes as good.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on February 03, 2020, 08:59:53 PM
I donít think heís been poor in any games recently (off the top of my head) but heís just been a plodding 6 to 7 in them. Which is okay if thereís a few great games mixed in but without that heís just okay. Heís not a hindrance recently but I donít think that passes as good.
Yes hes been largely crap this year up until Carlo landed, but I think we should cut him some slack as hes been playing in a different role.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on February 03, 2020, 09:03:46 PM
Yeah yeah, me & my stats 😅

The Kean thread said it perfectly; we all have our biases about defending who we like, slagging who we don't. I don't rate Gylfi, I'd like him to shuffle along as soon as possible, but he had a fine game yesterday.

90% passing (on 40 total, best on team)
19/23 forward passes
12/13 attacking third passes
2 chances / 1 big chance created
1 assist
2 tackles / 2 interceptions
Only turned the ball over 2x
People will see what they want to see but they are good stats and he did well well.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 03, 2020, 09:06:23 PM
Cant wait till we replace him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 24, 2020, 05:14:15 AM
Iím really annoyed at how much of a fraud this guy is. Absolutely atrocious performances from him for as long as I can remember.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cozzie on February 24, 2020, 05:22:18 AM
Even Neville called him on it today.

Outrageously shite.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 24, 2020, 05:27:05 AM
Even Neville called him on it today.

Outrageously shite.



What did Neville say?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on February 24, 2020, 05:27:26 AM
Even Neville called him on it today.

Outrageously shite.



Maybe even vile shite, Cozzie?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cozzie on February 24, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
Maybe even vile shite, Cozzie?

Is there a step above Vile? Haha.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on February 24, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
What did Neville say?

Basically called him out for a lack of effort

I really enjoyed it. 
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 24, 2020, 01:41:31 PM
Basically called him out for a lack of effort

I really enjoyed it. 

I canít believe we payed £45m for him. Iím sick of the sight of him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cozzie on February 24, 2020, 02:06:25 PM
What did Neville say?

He used the word "awful" at one point in the second half when Sig had the two bollocks attempts at the through balls.

Also picked up on the fact that he was walking when we where breaking on the counter and saying he should be busting a gut to get in the box.

Saying a midfielder of his calibre should be doing a lot more.

More or less what we have been saying on here for ages, just nice that someone else has noticed it.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 24, 2020, 02:29:27 PM
He used the word "awful" at one point in the second half when Sig had the two bollocks attempts at the through balls.

Also picked up on the fact that he was walking when we where breaking on the counter and saying he should be busting a gut to get in the box.

Saying a midfielder of his calibre should be doing a lot more.

More or less what we have been saying on here for ages, just nice that someone else has noticed it.

Yeah that last bit resonates with me. I was chatting with a family member whoís a Bournemouth fan and he thought I was having a stroke when I told him Iíd give him that phoney for free if I could. He was thinking heís our best player by some distance.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kerryblue boy on February 24, 2020, 02:32:12 PM
Yeah that last bit resonates with me. I was chatting with a family member who's a Bournemouth fan and he thought I was having a stroke when I told him I'd give him that phoney for free if I could. He was thinking he's our best player by some distance.
At least delph looks for the ball and tries really hard sig looked lazy and disinterested yesterday like he was just waiting for a corner or free kick that midfield should never be used again
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cozzie on February 24, 2020, 03:15:53 PM
Yeah that last bit resonates with me. I was chatting with a family member whoís a Bournemouth fan and he thought I was having a stroke when I told him Iíd give him that phoney for free if I could. He was thinking heís our best player by some distance.

Basically a Match of the day player isn't he?

People will see him on highlights and see him ping one in from 25 yards and think he is the dogs bollocks.

Hopefully though that same highlight reel will convince some poor sods to take him off our hands.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: dekko on February 24, 2020, 03:19:20 PM
The thing is that I think heís playing as bad as he played last season. But the difference is that now heís not even producing goals or assists.
I think heíll be gone in the summer, better sell him now. Probably to a newly promoted team.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on February 24, 2020, 03:19:31 PM
He's actually had some decent games under Ancelotti, but yesterday he look completely off the pace / not arsed, wonder if it was the change in formation and he wasn't happy with his role?

Either way he basically didn't turn up for a HUGE game for us, and played his way out the exit door.  Hopefully some newly promoted team, or Newcastle are willing to stump up £20m for him in the summer.  He's one of those players though that we need to be careful we don't price out of a move, because we absolutely need him gone, and wages being taken up are more important than if we get £5m - £10m less than he's worth.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on February 24, 2020, 03:19:42 PM
Heís putting in James McCarthy type performances.

Running about but half arsing everything. Looks like he doesnít want to be on the pitch.

Amazed Carlo hasnít seen right through him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 24, 2020, 04:16:47 PM
I've stuck up for Sig a lot but yesterday was really poor. I'm struggling to see a way forward for him tbh. He seems so far off where he needs to be it's frightening. I can forgive the odd miss pass, but effort and determination should be a given for me and he was really lacking in all departments

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on February 24, 2020, 04:20:04 PM
I know it's just a second clip, but it pissed me off during the game and I've seen people sharing it here.

He does this CONSTANTLY.

Keeps himself behind the midfielder and tasks the cbs or Delph who drops in with taking the ball rather than stepping up into space and taking responsibility.

When he is forced to take the ball in a situation that isn't a break (where he is alright in my opinion) or where he's on the edge of the box, he just does not want it and he never has.

https://twitter.com/CarIoMagnifico/status/1231712695994503169?s=19
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on February 24, 2020, 04:24:04 PM
When the ref takes up more progressive positions then your number 10
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 24, 2020, 04:54:19 PM
Basically a Match of the day player isn't he?

People will see him on highlights and see him ping one in from 25 yards and think he is the dogs bollocks.

Hopefully though that same highlight reel will convince some poor sods to take him off our hands.

Haha only problem is he doesnít ping them in anymore. Heís just vile shite even on MOTD
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 24, 2020, 04:56:04 PM
Is he still captain?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 24, 2020, 05:00:08 PM
Is he still captain?
No, Baines was yesterday although usually Coleman

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 24, 2020, 06:16:17 PM
No, Baines was yesterday although usually Coleman

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Neither of them normally play though.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on February 24, 2020, 06:48:57 PM
I've stuck up for Sig a lot but yesterday was really poor. I'm struggling to see a way forward for him tbh. He seems so far off where he needs to be it's frightening. I can forgive the odd miss pass, but effort and determination should be a given for me and he was really lacking in all departments

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Exactly this.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 24, 2020, 07:41:44 PM
He's actually had some decent games under Ancelotti, but yesterday he look completely off the pace / not arsed, wonder if it was the change in formation and he wasn't happy with his role?

Either way he basically didn't turn up for a HUGE game for us, and played his way out the exit door.  Hopefully some newly promoted team, or Newcastle are willing to stump up £20m for him in the summer.  He's one of those players though that we need to be careful we don't price out of a move, because we absolutely need him gone, and wages being taken up are more important than if we get £5m - £10m less than he's worth.

We set Tosun's price at 20m though. Not sure what that indicates we'll be expecting back for Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on February 24, 2020, 08:10:46 PM
We set Tosun's price at 20m though. Not sure what that indicates we'll be expecting back for Sigurdsson.

I don't think we can be too fussy tbh, I'd accept bids starting at £15m for him.  Tosun probably likewise if Palace don't take him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 24, 2020, 08:25:22 PM
Think it's all been said really. He needs to be sold on. What he was good at he's no longer got consistently enough to justify his place. However, what he does show is how weak we are for midfield options because he gets played despite giving little.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Andy88 on February 24, 2020, 09:02:13 PM
When the ref takes up more progressive positions then your number 10


I think I was more annoyed at this than I was at any of the goals we conceded. He either can't see that he should move a few yards forward to make an angle for the pass, or, he can see it, but he just doesn't want the ball. Either way it shows why he shouldn't be playing. 

Not only that but he spent the last fifteen minutes running from side to side pointing back to the centre backs instead of asking for the ball himself.


Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: markB on February 24, 2020, 10:29:52 PM
would take anything we can get for him , doing my head in with all the pointing telling others how to play when he is fucking crap  ,the only thing slower than he is Colemans throw ins
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 24, 2020, 10:46:56 PM
We arenít getting a fee for sigurdsson be lucky if we can just get someone to cover his wages. Horrible footballer who got away with it cos heíd score a few wonder goals a season. Now all thatís lift is the horrible bit
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on February 24, 2020, 11:44:30 PM
I live in the North East, I'll try my best to tell everyone he's absolutely class, same with Walcott... Hopefully if enough people hear it the Newcastle staff will pick up on it and offer us a decent deal for both 🤣
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 24, 2020, 11:46:39 PM
I live in the North East, I'll try my best to tell everyone he's absolutely class, same with Walcott... Hopefully if enough people hear it the Newcastle staff will pick up on it and offer us a decent deal for both 🤣

I probably need to have my head examined, but I don't mind Walcott right now  :o
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on February 24, 2020, 11:50:09 PM
I probably need to have my head examined, but I don't mind Walcott right now  :o

He's the best option we have, bit his output this year has been every bit as bad as sigurdsson.  With the wages he's on I'd not even think of keeping him as backup tbh.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: christiffa25 on February 25, 2020, 02:18:39 PM
We could of easily saved millions of wasted money on this guy. Rooney could of done the same job heís done over the last few years.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on February 25, 2020, 04:11:14 PM
We could of easily saved millions of wasted money on this guy. Rooney could of done the same job heís done over the last few years.

Both awful signings, could have had Maddison for £25m I think it was which really says everything we need to know about value for money and our signings
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on February 25, 2020, 04:59:48 PM
That really was a summer of missed opportunity. We spent a ridiculous amount of money and wasted most of it.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 25, 2020, 05:40:49 PM
Both awful signings, could have had Maddison for £25m I think it was which really says everything we need to know about value for money and our signings
Controversial opinion coming up. I think Maddison is exactly the same as Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on February 25, 2020, 05:42:47 PM
Controversial opinion coming up. I think Maddison is exactly the same as Sigurdsson.
Nah.

Maddison bought at 25 million is now worth double that.

Sigurdsson bought at 45 million is now worth half that.


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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on February 25, 2020, 05:58:57 PM
Controversial opinion coming up. I think Maddison is exactly the same as Sigurdsson.

I agree. Same with Harry Wilson, and probably Bruno Fernandes. Shot merchants, not much else to their game.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on February 25, 2020, 05:59:00 PM
Nah.

Maddison bought at 25 million is now worth double that.

Sigurdsson bought at 45 million is now worth half that.


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Perfectly put
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on February 25, 2020, 06:31:36 PM
I agree. Same with Harry Wilson, and probably Bruno Fernandes. Shot merchants, not much else to their game.

Deffo agree about Wilson, have my suspicions about mount although he gets good reviews.

I was calling Fernandes the portugese Sigurdsson to someone when he signed but looking at his numbers since he came in he is doing a lot in open play.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on February 25, 2020, 07:09:20 PM
Werenít we in for Maddison but wanted to be closer to Coventry?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Alanvideo on February 25, 2020, 07:09:31 PM
Nah.

Maddison bought at 25 million is now worth double that.

Sigurdsson bought at 45 million is now worth half that.


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..............pretty sure we were in for Maddison but was reported at the time he had his heart set on Leicester.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: blargins on February 25, 2020, 07:10:24 PM
..............pretty sure we were in for Maddison but was reported at the time he had his heart set on Leicester.

I know we were linked, but I don't know how accurate that was. Would have preferred him to Sig by far. Cheaper and with a sell on value.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 25, 2020, 07:54:06 PM
At least Fernandes has been looking for the ball all game, so far.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 25, 2020, 08:00:31 PM
At least Fernandes has been looking for the ball all game, so far.

He's been good from what I've seen. Not so sure about ~55m good lol
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Free Agent on February 25, 2020, 08:05:06 PM
He's been good from what I've seen. Not so sure about ~55m good lol

Definitely worth the 10m+ over Sigs
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 25, 2020, 08:11:38 PM
Definitely worth the 10m+ over Sigs

Not really relevant at all considering 45m was at worst 2x what Gylfi should have gone for. But, can't rewind the past and all.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Juanito on February 25, 2020, 08:55:05 PM
Controversial opinion coming up. I think Maddison is exactly the same as Sigurdsson.

In what way? Maddison can run with the ball, take players on etc. Sigurdsson cannot do either.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kramer0 on February 25, 2020, 10:19:12 PM
I knew he was a bit overrated when we signed him but it's shocking how much of a non-factor he is most weeks.

You could take a big chunk off of the fee and he'd still be poor business.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 26, 2020, 12:00:55 AM
As I've said I do like Sig, I think it's a real shame and I suspect he struggled with the pressure a bit, which is why he never fulfilled his potential with us or Spurs. At Swansea it was probably more relaxed and he was appreciated for everything he did and that fueled him, with us he's highlighted more for what he doesn't do and I think it's drained him and that's affected his confidence severely. I do think it's sad as he is capable of some really special moments, but they're just far too infrequent now to even warrant him being in the starting 11 and the best thing for him and us is to try to move him on in the summer.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 26, 2020, 12:52:17 AM
Definitely worth the 10m+ over Sigs
As I've said I do like Sig, I think it's a real shame and I suspect he struggled with the pressure a bit, which is why he never fulfilled his potential with us or Spurs. At Swansea it was probably more relaxed and he was appreciated for everything he did and that fueled him, with us he's highlighted more for what he doesn't do and I think it's drained him and that's affected his confidence severely. I do think it's sad as he is capable of some really special moments, but they're just far too infrequent now to even warrant him being in the starting 11 and the best thing for him and us is to try to move him on in the summer.

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It's nowt to do with pressure. He's the same player here that he's always been. It's to do with him being a bit crap
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 26, 2020, 12:58:43 AM
If we managed to get half back of what we overpaid it would be a miracle
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 26, 2020, 01:07:20 AM
If we managed to get half back of what we overpaid it would be a miracle
For me the issue isn't the transfet fee, I expect we'd take a lot less than half, the issue is the ass has fallen out of Chinese league with regards to what they can offer wage wise and as a result his options are really, really, really limited. So finding anyone that will pay him anything like what he's earning is a massive issue. I think he'll be in the same category as a lot of players we've got in that we've priced them out of their market. I think Iwobi was a terrible deal, but at least we didn't price him out of his market by giving him a ridiculous wage

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 26, 2020, 01:11:24 AM
For me the issue isn't the transfet fee, I expect we'd take a lot less than half, the issue is the ass has fallen out of Chinese league with regards to what they can offer wage wise and as a result his options are really, really, really limited. So finding anyone that will pay him anything like what he's earning is a massive issue. I think he'll be in the same category as a lot of players we've got in that we've priced them out of their market. I think Iwobi was a terrible deal, but at least we didn't price him out of his market by giving him a ridiculous wage

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Garden leave it is then..
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 26, 2020, 01:20:26 AM
For me the issue isn't the transfet fee, I expect we'd take a lot less than half, the issue is the ass has fallen out of Chinese league with regards to what they can offer wage wise and as a result his options are really, really, really limited. So finding anyone that will pay him anything like what he's earning is a massive issue. I think he'll be in the same category as a lot of players we've got in that we've priced them out of their market. I think Iwobi was a terrible deal, but at least we didn't price him out of his market by giving him a ridiculous wage

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We will almost certainly have to pick up at least 50% of those wages for the next 2 years. The transfer fee still matters because we haven't fully paid the 45m we spent, so ideally we need to at least cover whatever's still owed (probably around 15m).
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on February 26, 2020, 02:13:29 AM
For me the issue isn't the transfet fee, I expect we'd take a lot less than half, the issue is the ass has fallen out of Chinese league with regards to what they can offer wage wise and as a result his options are really, really, really limited. So finding anyone that will pay him anything like what he's earning is a massive issue. I think he'll be in the same category as a lot of players we've got in that we've priced them out of their market. I think Iwobi was a terrible deal, but at least we didn't price him out of his market by giving him a ridiculous wage

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Do you have to mention Iwobi in at least 50% of your posts, old bean?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 26, 2020, 02:18:12 AM
Do you have to mention Iwobi in at least 50% of your posts, old bean?

Brands Brands Brands Iwobi Brands Iwobi Iwobi Brands Iwobi Iwobi
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on February 26, 2020, 02:23:41 AM
Brands Brands Brands Iwobi Brands Iwobi Iwobi Brands Iwobi Iwobi

There wouldíve been a few DCLís in there before he started scoring every week.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 26, 2020, 02:24:19 AM
There wouldíve been a few DCLís in there before he started scoring every week.

I also forgot

* defends Sigurdsson :D
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 26, 2020, 02:30:17 AM
Brands Brands Brands Iwobi Brands Iwobi Iwobi Brands Iwobi Iwobi
In a way I was 50% praising Brands, it was a shit deal, but at least he got him on a decentish contract, its progress, right!!?

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on February 26, 2020, 02:32:23 AM
I also forgot

* defends Sigurdsson :D

And now that he criticises him itís actually our fault for spending loads on him and paying him too much money, so that itís put him under too much pressure, the poor lamb. Oh, and Iwobi was poor value, too, but he doesnít get a pass, even though heís six years younger.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on February 26, 2020, 02:41:25 AM


And now that he criticises him it's actually our fault for spending loads on him and paying him too much money, so that it's put him under too much pressure, the poor lamb. Oh, and Iwobi was poor value, too, but he doesn't get a pass, even though he's six years younger.

I know you're not the sharpest tool but that's not what I'm saying, it's nothing to do with his wages putting him under pressure, more the magnitude of playing for a bigger team where expectations are significantly higher, I don't think he handles that. We do pay him to much and that'll cost us in our attempts to get rid of him

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on February 26, 2020, 02:48:02 AM

I know you're not the sharpest tool but that's not what I'm saying, it's nothing to do with his wages putting him under pressure, more the magnitude of playing for a bigger team where expectations are significantly higher, I don't think he handles that. We do pay him to much and that'll cost us in our attempts to get rid of him

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The irony 😂 Being branded a blunt tool by the biggest tool on NSNO is actually a large compliment.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 26, 2020, 03:34:34 AM
gif incoming

(https://media.giphy.com/media/qCRhaWtcExo9W/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on February 26, 2020, 03:57:22 AM
gif incoming

(https://media.giphy.com/media/qCRhaWtcExo9W/giphy.gif)

Iíve got that.

Well, my daughter has.

Itís still fun after all these years, for about all of five minutes. A bit like trading posts with Waltzer.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 26, 2020, 03:58:55 AM
Iíve got that.

Well, my daughter has.

Itís still fun after all these years, for about all of five minutes. A bit like trading posts with Waltzer.

Waltzer is like speaking to Obama compared to trading posts with Up the Toffees
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on February 26, 2020, 04:01:18 AM
Waltzer is like speaking to Obama compared to trading posts with Up the Toffees

Ah, I havenít had the pleasure.

Something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 26, 2020, 04:03:36 AM
Ah, I havenít had the pleasure.

Something to look forward to.

Last few pages of the Iwobi thread ought to give you an idea
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 26, 2020, 04:05:21 AM
In what way? Maddison can run with the ball, take players on etc. Sigurdsson cannot do either.
In most games i watch him he has never dribbled past anyone. He is anonymous is most games and pings one in.

If you recall thats exactly what Sigurdsson did last year his goals have just stopped.

I just dont see it in Maddison at all. He may improve being youngish...but i think hes a bit of a FF player.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 26, 2020, 05:16:02 AM
In most games i watch him he has never dribbled past anyone. He is anonymous is most games and pings one in.

If you recall thats exactly what Sigurdsson did last year his goals have just stopped.

I just dont see it in Maddison at all. He may improve being youngish...but i think hes a bit of a FF player.

We talking about the same Maddison? He's one of the most well-rounded MFs in the Prem.

He has 47 successful dribbles, or 1.7/game, good for 21st in the Prem, and more than any Everton player. Add in his tackles, key passes, passing completion %, and goals/assists. In all his years of top flight football, Sigurdsson has barely come anywhere near Maddison's output this season. In Gylfi's entire career, he's never been worth anywhere near what Maddison's worth today, which is currently the 6th most valuable attacking mid in the world.

He walks into our starting XI without blinking. Except that he'd cost 70m so he won't be walking anywhere near our team.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Macca77 on February 26, 2020, 01:10:24 PM
I still like him so there. The money we paid for him really annoys me though, more than double than he's worth, will make a massive loss on him, be lucky if we get 20 million
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 26, 2020, 08:52:52 PM
We talking about the same Maddison? He's one of the most well-rounded MFs in the Prem.

He has 47 successful dribbles, or 1.7/game, good for 21st in the Prem, and more than any Everton player. Add in his tackles, key passes, passing completion %, and goals/assists. In all his years of top flight football, Sigurdsson has barely come anywhere near Maddison's output this season. In Gylfi's entire career, he's never been worth anywhere near what Maddison's worth today, which is currently the 6th most valuable attacking mid in the world.

He walks into our starting XI without blinking. Except that he'd cost 70m so he won't be walking anywhere near our team.
Walking into our midfield is not and should not be a barometer of footballing ability.

Also i doubt he is the 6th most valuable midfielder in the world.

Dribbles per game isnt really a stat you can look on reliably in my opinion, remember when Van Dijk didnt get dribbled past all season statistically even though he got beat by players a lot?

As an example Gomes last seasons attempted 1.9 dribbles per game, i cant think of many occasions of him beating players.
Lookman was out best with 3.4 per game and he was garbage.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 26, 2020, 10:16:16 PM
Walking into our midfield is not and should not be a barometer of footballing ability.

Also i doubt he is the 6th most valuable midfielder in the world.

Dribbles per game isnt really a stat you can look on reliably in my opinion, remember when Van Dijk didnt get dribbled past all season statistically even though he got beat by players a lot?

As an example Gomes last seasons attempted 1.9 dribbles per game, i cant think of many occasions of him beating players.
Lookman was out best with 3.4 per game and he was garbage.

You brought up dribbles, I was showing you that you were wrong. Forget about attempted dribbles; I'm talking successful dribbles. Neymar/Messi are at roughly 5.5-6/game, best in the world. So 1.7/game is not crap (Grealish is 2.3/game for a similar player/similar position). But if you don't rate the stat, so be it.

As far as valuable, it's obviously a number in flux, based on age, productivity, league, supply/demand at that position, etc. Here's the most valuable attacking mids in the world: https://www.transfermarkt.com/spieler-statistik/wertvollstespieler/marktwertetop/plus/ausrichtung/alle/spielerposition_id/10/altersklasse/alle/jahrgang/0/land_id/0/kontinent_id/0/yt0/Show/0/
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 27, 2020, 03:06:01 AM
You brought up dribbles, I was showing you that you were wrong. Forget about attempted dribbles; I'm talking successful dribbles. Neymar/Messi are at roughly 5.5-6/game, best in the world. So 1.7/game is not crap (Grealish is 2.3/game for a similar player/similar position). But if you don't rate the stat, so be it.

As far as valuable, it's obviously a number in flux, based on age, productivity, league, supply/demand at that position, etc. Here's the most valuable attacking mids in the world: https://www.transfermarkt.com/spieler-statistik/wertvollstespieler/marktwertetop/plus/ausrichtung/alle/spielerposition_id/10/altersklasse/alle/jahrgang/0/land_id/0/kontinent_id/0/yt0/Show/0/

Mad list that.

Proper fucking hate Dele Alli
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kerryblue boy on February 27, 2020, 05:46:45 PM
We talking about the same Maddison? He's one of the most well-rounded MFs in the Prem.

He has 47 successful dribbles, or 1.7/game, good for 21st in the Prem, and more than any Everton player. Add in his tackles, key passes, passing completion %, and goals/assists. In all his years of top flight football, Sigurdsson has barely come anywhere near Maddison's output this season. In Gylfi's entire career, he's never been worth anywhere near what Maddison's worth today, which is currently the 6th most valuable attacking mid in the world.

He walks into our starting XI without blinking. Except that he'd cost 70m so he won't be walking anywhere near our team.
His form in the last 10 games is very poor once Leicester started struggling he went hiding tielamans far better player
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: boothill on February 27, 2020, 05:59:35 PM
Son of siggurd is the 22nd best attacking midfielder in ze world folks

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 27, 2020, 06:15:48 PM
His form in the last 10 games is very poor once Leicester started struggling he went hiding tielamans far better player

While true, not entirely fair. Vardy hasn't scored in 2 months, for example. I like Tielemans a lot, don't get wrong, but he's gone just as missing.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on March 09, 2020, 04:29:35 AM
Yet another despicable performance by him today, did he even touch the ball in the first half? Honestly forgot he was playing for most of the match.

Also what the hell is he doing for I think it was the William goal? Or was it Mount's? I've lost track... Anyway he runs around the back of the player who scores, to try and get in front of him, instead of just moving in front of him to block his path?! Bizarre and meant they had a free shot from 20 yards... Absolutely baffling yet again by him!

I can't work out if Ancelotti is playing him because he thinks it'll make him easier to sell in the summer, or he genuinely rates him for some odd reason, but either way it need to stop!!!
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on March 09, 2020, 04:35:12 AM
Hard to watch these days.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on March 09, 2020, 04:59:30 AM
Played well.

He really makes us tick with his creativity and vision.

Real effort off the ball as well putting in a total of four sprints. Ran his socks off.

Made me think, is he the best captain weíve had since Dave Watson?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on March 09, 2020, 05:15:33 AM
Yes he is terrible but if it's possible to get beyond all the bile and finger pointing, there must be something up with him. He's a good player. A few will dispute  that I'm sure but he has had an excellent career at club and international level, and he has even done well for us in his time here. What we are seeing this season is actually bizarre and it's not his age. He is physically fit. This is why I don't want to lay into him too much.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on March 09, 2020, 05:22:45 AM
I think he's exactly the same but slower off the ball and not being given the number ten to wait around in until he can take a shot from the edge of the box.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 09, 2020, 01:55:46 PM
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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Macca77 on March 09, 2020, 02:46:05 PM
I've been one of his biggest supporter's this season but I can't defend him anymore, never ever seen a player hide as much as him, he was captain yesterday, so you'd think that he would at least put in some sort of performance, but no, didn't want the ball at all, massive shithouse
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2020, 03:22:28 PM
Heís clearly dialling it in now. Just wandered into the centre all game pointing to a teammate to pass it out wide so he couldnít get involved.

Is just happy taking the wages now until he leaves, same as quite a few others, and isnít bothered about hiding it anymore.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 09, 2020, 04:07:21 PM
He should be told heíll never play another minute for us. Then itís up to him if he wants to take less money elsewhere to play and potentially win a new contract or sit in the stands. Heís of no value to us on the pitch anyway. Absolute sack of shite. Ridiculous that our biggest ever signing is out biggest hindrance
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on March 09, 2020, 04:11:16 PM
I've been one of his biggest supporter's this season but I can't defend him anymore, never ever seen a player hide as much as him, he was captain yesterday, so you'd think that he would at least put in some sort of performance, but no, didn't want the ball at all, massive shithouse
This. His perfornances have fallen off a cliff and not sure if he is sulking because playing slightly different role.

Awful yesterday.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on March 09, 2020, 04:14:22 PM
Yesterday is nothing new for him.

Heís been playing like that since we signed him but always had the goals to fall back on.

Itís obvious now though that the effort isnít there. He shouldíve been thrown in the reserves after the derby and told to find another club.

Football isnít football manager though so heís continued to play and his performances have deteriorated to such an a dramatic extent.

Been saying for a while, someone is getting the nyarko treatment soon and heís target number one. Think it nearly happened yesterday didnít it?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on March 09, 2020, 04:53:57 PM
Ok more hyperbole then
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on March 09, 2020, 04:55:35 PM
I don't want to hear anything more about this man until it's announced he's gone.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 09, 2020, 05:02:32 PM
Yesterday is nothing new for him.

Heís been playing like that since we signed him but always had the goals to fall back on.

Itís obvious now though that the effort isnít there. He shouldíve been thrown in the reserves after the derby and told to find another club.

Football isnít football manager though so heís continued to play and his performances have deteriorated to such an a dramatic extent.

Been saying for a while, someone is getting the nyarko treatment soon and heís target number one. Think it nearly happened yesterday didnít it?

Exactly. Heís the same player he always has been just without the moments now. He was always a hindrance even when scoring goals. Now heís without any positives.

Fucking captain though. Shit player and even if he wasnít a really odd choice for captain
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on March 09, 2020, 05:13:30 PM
Ok more hyperbole then

What was hyperbolic?

The nyarko stuff? Probably, but people are angry at seeing this lad plod along, hiding from the game week in week out.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Polledreng on March 09, 2020, 05:14:14 PM
I've been one of his biggest supporter's this season but I can't defend him anymore, never ever seen a player hide as much as him, he was captain yesterday, so you'd think that he would at least put in some sort of performance, but no, didn't want the ball at all, massive shithouse
I'll second that
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on March 09, 2020, 05:56:31 PM
He should be embarrassed to play the way he does.

Can't stand the sight of him anymore.

There's my dose of hyperbole.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on March 09, 2020, 06:10:49 PM
Oh and he 100% should've got off his lazy arse last week.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 09, 2020, 06:15:08 PM
I pretty much have a problem with all of them and heís my least favourite by a country mile

Frighteningly I think thereís a fair chance heíll still be a regular and possibly captain next season
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2020, 06:29:04 PM
Nothing left to say about this lad is there.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 09, 2020, 06:30:01 PM
Despise him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on March 09, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
There was a reason why Spurs sold him back to Swansea.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on March 09, 2020, 07:00:08 PM
All things considered, heís my least favourite Everton signing of all time.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on March 09, 2020, 07:09:35 PM
He's just a bloke who occasionally kicks a ball around the pitch. Get a grip. There is no alternative to him at the moment.

And why are people refusing to entertain the idea that there may be other reasons for his performances. You don't know shit about that so why would anyone assume nothing is wrong and throw insults about the place and speculate about potential physical confrontation? (to normalise it).

If anyone should find out about other issues down the line (and yes it is a big if) then you'll presumable feel bad. This on a forum with a vocal mental health voice. Guess it suits when it suits.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 09, 2020, 07:12:39 PM
Fell off a cliff.

He wasnt this bad in his first season from the left. He was never amazing, but now he's gone from being decent but bad value for money, to offering very little.

He is either in awful form or he is past his best.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on March 09, 2020, 07:59:05 PM
He's just a bloke who occasionally kicks a ball around the pitch. Get a grip. There is no alternative to him at the moment.

And why are people refusing to entertain the idea that there may be other reasons for his performances. You don't know shit about that so why would anyone assume nothing is wrong and throw insults about the place and speculate about potential physical confrontation? (to normalise it).

If anyone should find out about other issues down the line (and yes it is a big if) then you'll presumable feel bad. This on a forum with a vocal mental health voice. Guess it suits when it suits.

The mental health angle here is poor.

If there is something going in his personal life that we donít know about then itís up to the club to protect the player.

Until then we shall continue to criticise a player whoís underperformed for the majority of his time here.

After all, we are on an Internet forum. A forum for Everton fans to discuss all things Everton.

Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 09, 2020, 08:17:22 PM
He's just a bloke who occasionally kicks a ball around the pitch. Get a grip. There is no alternative to him at the moment.

And why are people refusing to entertain the idea that there may be other reasons for his performances. You don't know shit about that so why would anyone assume nothing is wrong and throw insults about the place and speculate about potential physical confrontation? (to normalise it).

If anyone should find out about other issues down the line (and yes it is a big if) then you'll presumable feel bad. This on a forum with a vocal mental health voice. Guess it suits when it suits.

Very occasionally kicks it. Heís a champion at hide and seek
Is there any evidence of him struggling with his mental health other than being shite at football. Are we not allowed to critique anyone now as they might just be ill?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bluedylan on March 09, 2020, 08:29:02 PM
Very occasionally kicks it. Heís a champion at hide and seek
Is there any evidence of him struggling with his mental health other than being shite at football. Are we not allowed to critique anyone now as they might just be ill?

There's been no indication whatsoever of any mental health issues or anything of that nature. In fact, you'd assume any responsible manager or employer would now take a player completely out of the team and spotlight, if that was the case. So I think we can dismiss that suggestion out of hand, with the current available information.

Which leaves us back at the dawning realisation that he's just not very good at football, and any ability he ever did have to influence games in the top division has diminished to such an extent that he's an absolute liability at the club.

I'd be quite willing to sell him for £10m say, just to move on from this torturous period in our midfield and make a fresh start. If and when we ever do sign any proper central midfielders who can run games in the top flight, it's going to make such a difference to the whole team, and will be so beneficial to a number of our other players.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 09, 2020, 08:40:10 PM
Iíd flog for £10m in the blink of an eye.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2020, 09:01:56 PM
We'd be lucky to get £10m as anyone interested would have to take on that salary and they'd want a discount on the fee for that. Even if he was on reasonable wages I'm not sure many teams would think what he now brings is worth £10m.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 09, 2020, 09:03:10 PM
Iíd be delighted not to have to pay him to leave
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on March 09, 2020, 09:46:49 PM
I just don't understand why a) he chooses to play like that and b) he's allowed to play like that.


His passing isn't the best but it's not like he's a bad player technically. Surely it isn't enjoyable for someone who is at least used to scoring and assisting goals to be drifting through games with zero impact now. Apparently Carlo made a tongue in cheek comment of "You can score, you know" to Walcott before the Watford match. Is he not saying to Gylfi "You can touch the ball, you know"?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 09, 2020, 09:51:30 PM
I just don't understand why a) he chooses to play like that and b) he's allowed to play like that.


His passing isn't the best but it's not like he's a bad player technically. Surely it isn't enjoyable for someone who is at least used to scoring and assisting goals to be drifting through games with zero impact now. Apparently Carlo made a tongue in cheek comment of "You can score, you know" to Walcott before the Watford match. Is he not saying to Gylfi "You can touch the ball, you know"?
Not to mention giving him the captaincy. That just tops it all off
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2020, 10:14:22 PM
Not to mention giving him the captaincy. That just tops it all off

It was probably an attempt to try and rejuvenate him, knowing Carlo has to rely on him until the summer. Hasn't worked.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on March 09, 2020, 10:34:49 PM
It was probably an attempt to try and rejuvenate him, knowing Carlo has to rely on him until the summer. Hasn't worked.

I think this too, it's like he's given up especially when asked to play wide left in a midfield 4... Ancelotti has probably sensed this and thought that if he made him captain it'd give him a boost and maybe make him give his all.  Sadly Carlo doesn't seem to understand Sigurdsson as we do, because his thinking on this one was waaaaaaay off.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 09, 2020, 10:37:49 PM
It was probably an attempt to try and rejuvenate him, knowing Carlo has to rely on him until the summer. Hasn't worked.

Does he have to rely on him though. Iíd sooner Walcott or iwobi. Heís getting a lot of minutes. The biggest worry is he might actually rate him
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 09, 2020, 10:44:24 PM
We'd be lucky to get £10m as anyone interested would have to take on that salary and they'd want a discount on the fee for that. Even if he was on reasonable wages I'm not sure many teams would think what he now brings is worth £10m.

This would be at odds with the "we need to fix the midfield" demands, no? Can't sell what we have, but buy what we want? How's that work?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: sam of the south on March 09, 2020, 11:36:29 PM
Does he have to rely on him though. Iíd sooner Walcott or iwobi. Heís getting a lot of minutes. The biggest worry is he might actually rate him

This is my worry.

Playing him is bad enough.

Playing him at LW is worse.

Making him captain just beggars belief.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 10, 2020, 12:19:10 AM
It was probably an attempt to try and rejuvenate him, knowing Carlo has to rely on him until the summer. Hasn't worked.
Nah, he's beyond rejuvenating now. As a captain of your side you're there to set examples, lead the team, pull them through. He's stood back and watched his teammates die out there far too many times. He hasn't got an ounce of leadership in him. I'd rather it go to Baines or Coleman for now, if they can get back into the side.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 10, 2020, 12:23:28 AM
He's awful, and got to be dropped for the Derby.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on March 10, 2020, 01:57:22 AM
I don't dispute he's dreadful at the moment. All I'm saying is at least entertain the possibility that there may be good reasons for it. I just said mental health as one possibility. I don't know. But anyone who said he's always been rubbish is talking nonsense. He has consistently produced goals, assists and excellent work rate at premier League and international level. His physical fitness does not appear to be a problem.

If you cannot account for the slump then at least show some patience. Everyone knows he is a far better player then what we are seeing. It is likely that there is nobody who can come in as we are threadbare. I expect that in tough times you might expect support. For this you might think that supporters of the club you play for might get behind you or at least give you the benefit of the doubt. No not Everton supporters.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 10, 2020, 02:22:03 AM
I don't dispute he's dreadful at the moment. All I'm saying is at least entertain the possibility that there may be good reasons for it. I just said mental health as one possibility. I don't know. But anyone who said he's always been rubbish is talking nonsense. He has consistently produced goals, assists and excellent work rate at premier League and international level. His physical fitness does not appear to be a problem.

If you cannot account for the slump then at least show some patience. Everyone knows he is a far better player then what we are seeing. It is likely that there is nobody who can come in as we are threadbare. I expect that in tough times you might expect support. For this you might think that supporters of the club you play for might get behind you or at least give you the benefit of the doubt. No not Everton supporters.

If he'd scored a couple of penalties and smashed 3 in from 30 yards he'd be the same player he always was. He's just lacking a bit of luck and a magic moment or 2. That does however show that apart from them moments he has in fact always been shit. Watching him isn't good for my mental health
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ally2 on March 10, 2020, 02:26:58 AM
Haha very good!  Ok well we'll have to agree to disagree. I think he's always been a decent player and certainly far better than he is now, and it's not because of age. I do agree though at the moment he is terrible but I don't think there's anyone else to come in so what are you going to do?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on March 10, 2020, 04:47:43 AM
Does he have to rely on him though. Iíd sooner Walcott or iwobi. Heís getting a lot of minutes. The biggest worry is he might actually rate him
I don't know if he rates him but Sig has 2 things that Italian managers like, Tactical awareness and Defensive discipline. He can actually read the game very well, knows when and where to press and he's good at cutting out angles for passes. In the last games our opponents got very little out of our left hand side. Azpiliqueta hardly got forward when Sig was on the left. After Sig moved to the middle, almost every attack involved Azpiliqueta.
Sig's problem though seems to be that his confidence with the ball is shot and he doesn't seem to want it. For someone who was never the fastest, he looks even slower now and I reckon he's scared that he will get caught on the ball and won't have the speed to get out of trouble. The result is that we are attacking with 1 player less.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on March 10, 2020, 05:06:18 AM
Carlo clearly doesnt rate Iwobi given he hasnt come in for Sig despite his dreadful form.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jamokachi on March 10, 2020, 07:51:52 AM
Wonder if it's a contractual thing that he has to play when fit, or has to pay a certain percentage of games? Mad if we've managed to screw ourselves like that, but wouldn't put it past the regime that signed him.

Really hope we offload him in the summer.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on March 10, 2020, 02:54:32 PM
Wonder if it's a contractual thing that he has to play when fit, or has to pay a certain percentage of games? Mad if we've managed to screw ourselves like that, but wouldn't put it past the regime that signed him.

Really hope we offload him in the summer.
Its not a contractual thing. Its a combination of him being less injury-prone than others and that they are all just as shit as him. A one-eyed man in the land of the blind kind of thing.
Look at the squad . Who is the better player that he is keeping out the team?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 10, 2020, 03:45:58 PM
Its not a contractual thing. Its a combination of him being less injury-prone than others and that they are all just as shit as him. A one-eyed man in the land of the blind kind of thing.
Look at the squad . Who is the better player that he is keeping out the team?

Iím not having heís better than iwobi Delph or Walcott. Iím not sure how Gordon would have contributed much less had he played

I genuinely donít think heís the best of a bad lot. Heís the worst of a bad lot. He doesnít even want the ball

Also heís fucking captain which doesnít really suggest heís just playing because the other options are worse. It suggests managers seem to rate his nothingness
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Waltzer on March 10, 2020, 04:00:18 PM
I'm not having he's better than iwobi Delph or Walcott. I'm not sure how Gordon would have contributed much less had he played

I genuinely don't think he's the best of a bad lot. He's the worst of a bad lot. He doesn't even want the ball

Also he's fucking captain which doesn't really suggest he's just playing because the other options are worse. It suggests managers seem to rate his nothingness
I've asked this a few times and nobody has actually managed to answer, but what does that tell you about the effort, attitude and commitment of those afore mentioned players that can't displace him? That's what I find the most concerning, the fact we're having to play a woefully out of form player over them, it's pretty damming.

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Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on March 10, 2020, 04:24:06 PM
He's important to structure and pressing (what little there is with Ancelotti) and he creates high quality chances from set pieces.

That's why he plays.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Martip on March 10, 2020, 05:12:16 PM
Iím not having heís better than iwobi Delph or Walcott. Iím not sure how Gordon would have contributed much less had he played

I genuinely donít think heís the best of a bad lot. Heís the worst of a bad lot. He doesnít even want the ball

Also heís fucking captain which doesnít really suggest heís just playing because the other options are worse. It suggests managers seem to rate his nothingness
Or could it be that they dont rate his nothingness, but rate the ability of the alternative options  to contribute even less ?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 10, 2020, 06:38:01 PM
Or could it be that they dont rate his nothingness, but rate the ability of the alternative options  to contribute even less ?

Christ itís bleak if Delph Walcott and iwobi are even worse

Brands work looks worse every time we play a football match

Sidibe has turned to shit. Delph has been poor. Iwobi canít get a game in our terrible midfield. Digne has only been decent this season. Mina isnít even a certain starter. Bernard is mainly injured and still shit more than heís good. Has the only great success been Richarlison. A signing probably driven by silva
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Toddacelli on March 10, 2020, 07:21:10 PM
All things considered, heís my least favourite Everton signing of all time.

Tied for last place with Sammy Lee for me.

He's not a shit player - but he plays shit. What the fuck is that about? Ruth Rendell couldn't solve this one.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Jamokachi on March 11, 2020, 02:08:50 AM
Its not a contractual thing. Its a combination of him being less injury-prone than others and that they are all just as shit as him. A one-eyed man in the land of the blind kind of thing.
Look at the squad . Who is the better player that he is keeping out the team?

Well, no, I wasn't being entirely serious... just exaggerating the point that I have no idea why he's being picked. I disagree that others are "just as shit".
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Hesmenos on March 11, 2020, 05:17:02 PM
Iím not having heís better than iwobi Delph or Walcott. Iím not sure how Gordon would have contributed much less had he played

I genuinely donít think heís the best of a bad lot. Heís the worst of a bad lot. He doesnít even want the ball

Also heís fucking captain which doesnít really suggest heís just playing because the other options are worse. It suggests managers seem to rate his nothingness
Ignoring Walcott who isn't really competing for a starting spot with Sig.
Gbamin is injured
Schneiderlin is injured
Iwobi and Delph when not injured (which in Delph's case is fairly rare) have more assists for the opposition than they have for us
Bernard has only completed 90 minutes 3 times this season. The last time being against West Ham in October so its possible that there are fitness issues there.
That leaves Davies and Gomes who has just come back from a broken leg.
So 3 players from that lot.
As for captain, I don't get why it was Sig. He's never struck me as much of a leader. But again what are the other options. Digne (would be my choice) Davies? Pickford?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Juanito on July 07, 2020, 03:43:17 AM
Another abject display in the middle of the park that even shocked Gary Neville for his cowardice.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on July 07, 2020, 03:46:58 AM
Iím judging Carlo for playing him.

He should be made to train with the U23s.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 07, 2020, 03:52:34 AM
Horrible footballer. Always was too. At his very best you traded everything else a midfielder should do for 10 goals and some decent corners. No top half side can afford that. Now though he has no moments. Heís fucking useless. Just not involved

Dreadful transfer business. A record signing who obviously wasnít good enough from day 1
Not fit to lace Ross Barkleys boots. No one has been since he left and he didnít exactly rip up trees himself
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on July 07, 2020, 03:56:02 AM
Absolute garbage today... Again!

Has some games where he looks half interested and then big games like today where he just wanders about doing nothing.

Hope after the season we never see him in an Everton shirt again!
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: bornblue88 on July 07, 2020, 03:59:24 AM
Bottler
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on July 07, 2020, 04:02:04 AM
Bottler

A bottler doesn't perform because he can't rise to the occasion... Sig didn't even try, it's not bottling, it's apathy.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Silas on July 07, 2020, 04:03:47 AM
Now he's not playing higher up the pitch he's actually offering nothing.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: TheRam on July 07, 2020, 04:08:41 AM
Now he's not playing higher up the pitch he's actually offering nothing.

As opposed to when he played higher up the pitch and offered nothing?
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Cozzie on July 07, 2020, 04:11:01 AM
Absolute fucking dustbin.

Get him in one while we are at it.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 07, 2020, 05:19:22 AM
We are never going to win anything with our 3 midfield players all sitting in front of defence playing safe sideways and backwards balls Davies the only one with energy but little quality on the ball needs massive overhaul
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Verm on July 07, 2020, 05:38:52 AM
The sight of him angers me now.

Clearly doesn't give a shit so needs moving on ASAP. Can't understand how he's still getting a game under a world class manager.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 07, 2020, 06:04:28 AM
Absolutely embarrassing performance. A fucking coward.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: brap2 on July 07, 2020, 06:15:49 AM
If you play cm at Everton football club under 23s and you don't get a game between now and the end of the season then you need to learn a trade.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Shogun on July 07, 2020, 06:23:27 AM
If you play cm at Everton football club under 23s and you don't get a game between now and the end of the season then you need to learn a trade.

Baningime must have been sitting on the bench thinking "Fuck me, I must be shit"
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Toddacelli on July 07, 2020, 12:03:06 PM
Rumours Guy Ritchie is gonna be making a movie based on Sigurdsson and the money he's had off Everton in his time here.

Loves a good fucking heist story, does Ritchie.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: GLewis on July 07, 2020, 12:22:39 PM
Again his off the ball positioning is good. He gets in shape well and covers the distance.

Yes big deal etc but these are the reasons why he gets picked repeatedly by different managers. That and lack of anyone else.

That non-tackle that wound Neville up was a highlight of his lack of aggression though.

If heíd have won that there, the ball would likely have broken to us in a 3 v 3 position on the half way line; basically the position you look for when playing on the counter. Obviously weíd have probably messed it up, but you add those situations up and itís a massive part about why weíre useless a lot of the time away from home.

But specifically him, whether itís tackles (ok not meant to be a hard hitting CM but still) or demanding the ball when we need a goal (definitely not ok, as an AM) he doesnít have the aggressive drive
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: ajax_andy on July 07, 2020, 02:20:28 PM
The sight of him angers me now.

Clearly doesn't give a shit so needs moving on ASAP. Can't understand how he's still getting a game under a world class manager.

I think it just proves our dirth of options unfortunately
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Juanito on July 07, 2020, 02:45:48 PM
Bainingame loves a tackle and looked composed in the games he had for us. I canít see how playing someone who hides from the ball and shirks tackles should play over him.
Title: Re: Sigurdsson
Post by: Toddacelli on July 07, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Bainingame loves a tackle and looked composed in the games he had for us. I canít see how playing someone who hides from the ball and shirks tackles should play over him.

Did Baningime play in that cup game on that cow field where Oviedo got injured? Seem to remember us being all hype about a few youth team players and they played in a cup game against a lower league side and looked lost.

Clearly we are not at the levels where we can field a few at once but Gordon looks ok - I would like to see a bit of Beni. Can't have less impact than Sigurdsson - that would be literally impossible!